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Parnas: Trump knew exactly what was going on

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

48:49 min | 1 year ago

Parnas: Trump knew exactly what was going on

"Now time for the last word with Lawrence O.. Donald Lawrence Meeting Rachel really an extraordinary. Our I think a lot of us as we're watching had one fundamental question. And why is he doing this. Why has he decided to basically turn on his friends in the conspiracy and talk about the conspiracy so what seemed to emerge today when I was talking with him during the course of the interview and talking him about the fact that he was going to do the interview is that he really believes that the more he makes public about what he saw and what he knows what he can document document the safer he is? He's I think worried that if this if the information that he's got is only inside his own head or you're in his own electric devices and things like that that that's too easy. It's too easy to make that. Go Away and that. To the extent that the the things that he knows can be made public and checked out and verified and documented and investigated. He feels like the truth will become known and he will be safer and does he. Does he expect this to help him. He in the criminal case where he is now a defendant. I think that's implicit. I mean I think that I'm here. He is facing very serious charges in the southern district of New York. He's lawyer has made clear that he wants to cooperate. He wants to testify with congressional national investigators in the impeachment investigation implicit in. That is the idea that maybe I think it would help him in his in his criminal case but obviously nothing that he's saying today is going to help him directly partly in his criminal case and the decision that congressional investigators have to make about whether or not. They're gonNA talk to him. I think is going to be independent of whether or not. They think it would help him in his criminal case case so I mean his aims and they're likely outcomes may diverge but he was willing to have this conversation I was I will tell reliance. I was convinced until the moment I was sitting there talking to him that it was going to be canceled. Okay let's which brings me to another question. What can you tell us about how long on this has been in the works and how how it came about? It's been a long time been months that we have been trying to make this this up and so again we didn't expect it when it finally came through. It came through very quickly. We've been working on this the way you work on lots of things that you think are won't won't pay off for a very long time but when it came together at actually came together very very quickly and right at the top of the interview. Mr Parnell has lawyer. Basically explained like well wants is the material that we'd given to. The Intelligence Committee was a safely in their hands and be we knew it was going to be conveyed to the Senate and made part of this trial. We felt like okay. We can talk. They wanted to didn't want to do anything that would jeopardize that. And then so it came together very quickly. I was on a mutt surprising. So you said the magic word there. Trial Neal Katyal is going to join us in this hour. His latest Washington Post pieces entitled Love. Partisan Rudy Giuliani have demolished demolished. Trump's claims of innocence. How what does love Parnasse expect or is he anticipated having a role in the Senate trial? Oh I think he's realistic enough to know that it's not up to him and there's no reason day I mean. Certainly he wants to testify. That's clear his lawyers been publicly clear clear about that from the very beginning but I think they're realists and knowing that it's not up to them and if it happens it happens and if it doesn't there's nothing they can do to make to force it but making all all this information available and being willing to comment in a public forum on what it means is them getting as close as they can in the public eye to testifying whether or not they end up actually in the trial or a deposition with one of the one of the investigating committees in the House and in this story Ori Individual One from the Michael Cohen Prosecution. Here in New York is is labeled in their communications number. One they it keeps saying you're gonNA tell number one and at and and love has that story we've heard in the investigation Asian in in the House representatives of the president's speaking on the phone so loudly that if you are standing near the person He is speaking to you can hear him in this case it's love listening to as he put it to you. The president screaming at Rudy Giuliani at one point. Yes so that corroborates the testimony that we heard during the impeachment inquiry about bystanders and people at the same lunch table being able to hear clearly that it was the president's voice on a phone on a phone call even one on on speaker phone corroborating information which I thought was interesting but that's also in the context of him saying listen. I know that I I. I was in constant contact with Giuliani. About all of this and Mr Giuliani was incontinent. Constant contact with the president about this. He said that he met the president. A number of times times. He was aware of the sort of loop of information here and part of what he's able to describe as a as a witness is Mr Giuliani and president trump talking about the Ukraine scheme in detail on multiple occasions including when Mr Parnasse could clearly over here the president's distinctive voice on the phone what do you think is is of the most damning thing or the most difficult information For Donald Trump tonight is it the involvement as we heard in the unfolding of this of his attorney. General William Bar. Is it the involvement as we heard from partners of vice president. Mike Pence is it love partners simply Lee saying Donald Trump wasn't telling the truth. Donald Trump was lying when he said he doesn't know me. I mean I think it is stark and and difficult for the White House to have Mr Parnasse who was so plainly. Involved in every aspect of this bluntly directly and without equivocation say the president was directing this. The president was involved in every step of this. The president knew everything that we were doing and we were doing it on his behalf and we did nothing without his express approval. I mean that is that sort of chapter and verse of the scandal in terms of presidential culpability. I actually think that for me. The headline out of this interview. You is very serious. Questions being raised by Vice President Mike Pence so Mr Parnassus saying that we that. There's two interactions between vice president. Mike Pence and the Ukrainian government that are very important here and that Mike Pence appears to have been very much in the loop for and one of them was the cancellation of his planned trip to go to this alinsky inauguration. He tells a very vivid story on a very tight very specific timeline with lots of very specific specific logistical details. About how he left. Part wasn't Ukraine making a one last chance. Demand of the Ukrainian government announced those investigations or pensin. Coming deer inauguration occupation. He does that on the twelfth and the thirteenth in fact pence cancels his trip to the inauguration. That's very important moment to Mr Parnell. Because it's very legitimising for for him as he continues to this work. The Ukrainian government knows. He's got the juice knows that he can actually deliver in terms of the vice president's whereabouts. Now Mr Parnassus saying saying that it's inconceivable that vice president pence didn't know that his trip to that inauguration was contingent on those investigations being agreed to or announced. What's before he went? In addition he says that Mike Pence was absolutely the person from the trump administration. Who was supposed to go over to Poland limb to meet the Lenzi on September first and get those investigations announced and he knew it and that was his job? And that's why the Defense Department and those emails does that we've seen was able to say we expect this issue. The standoff with Ukraine will be resolved once vice president. Pence is over there. That really it puts the spotlight on vice president pence it also very much begs for John Bolton testimony because John Bolton could testify to that both in terms of the factual accuracy of what Mr Partners is saying and to the vice president's culpability in this scandal and if the president and the vice president are both culpable all in this scandal if they were both carrying out this scheme personally that makes peach mint Different thing than it was before it certainly does at that moment. In in that dramatic revealing of it the way Live Ernest does of of when when the Ukrainians did not do in fact they the the guy who was communicating with deleted the phone and he reports that Rudy Giuliani Rudy. Giuliani's line is okay. They'll see uh-huh and and the next day they see Mike Pence is incoming Rachel. I could go on and on with you could keep you for the hour but I must not thank thank you for staying up all night and thank you for delivering us that extraordinary hour. We're GONNA spend an hour on what you just appreciate it. My friend and we will have part two tomorrow night. Thanks thanks thanks Rachel Shit at the will be tomorrow. Night of there is much to cover here. WE'RE GONNA get to it as quickly as we can. We're going to be joined by former ambassador. Donna Donna Shell Smith who has been tweeting. Some of the most important points about what has happened within the State Department since love Arneses is information came out since it emerged last night what appeared to be a threat possibly even a deadly threat to the former ambassador to Ukraine and not one word word not one word from the State Department from Secretary of State. Mike pompeo about this in now over twenty four hours Ambassador Smith is not the only family member former members of the diplomatic corps. Who is outraged about this but it will be her voice that that will be brought to this program tonight to speak for them to speak big for the shock being felt by the diplomatic corps about what they learned about these? These possible threats through text That were revealed last night to the threats to the investor Ukraine. Rachel has a lot on that in her interview with love that becomes a very very different story in love. Arneses telling we will get to that in this hour to begin. We're GONNA be joined by Barbara mcquade. She's a former. US Attorney and on MSNBC legal contributor David Corns Wash- Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones. MSNBC political analyst. David has to reports out today about Robert Hyde who is one of the characters in the texts that were very threatening to the ambassador to Ukraine. I WANNA start with you a Barbara just from a legal perspective of based on everything that you've heard in the last hour in this extraordinary interview with left us. What do you think it's impact is now on this impeachment trial? Well we heard some extraordinary things like all cooperators. I think it's useful to have a healthy dose of skepticism decision when you listen to someone like left parties much of what he said was not corroborated but I think the big picture takeaway here is it. Behooves us to get to the bottom of forty has to say to to try to get to the truth to probe and try to corroborate some of what he said. And the way you do that is by talking to other witnesses and looking for documents admits he may not have first-hand information which means I'm not sure I can believe it it take it to the bank so you talk to the people who do have the first hand information people like Rudy Giuliani. Johny were John Bolton or others who were actually there and participated in these conversations so I think my big takeaway is he has put up a lot of smoke. Okay and I really want to know. If there's some fire there David I know you had the reporting on Mr Hyde today. You heard what love partners said about that. He said he took hook the threatening texts to be a joke. He said the guy's drunk all the time didn't take him seriously Hide himself did an interview on a right wing television outlet Saying the same thing saying he was drunk a lot in those days saying they were just having fun. What what we're going to show that later in the hour but I just wanted to get your reaction to their latest version of it? The two people who were in that those texts exchange If that was a conspiracy. They're they're denying it. Both of both of them saying it was basically a joke. Yeah I've been following hide for well over a year now long before I got involved in this and it did strike me as a wannabe player. Operator who was unreliable the piece we put up mother Jones late last night showed showed that he'd been taken into plus a into police custody at one of trump's resorts in Florida when he had this sort of paranoid vent and claimed that hit men and the secret service. were out to get get him. And I haven't seen any capability on his part to run sort of an operation in Ukraine. Where we where you could actually infiltrate the security detail hill of the ambassador that said I mean it seems you know one thing that I would have? You know. Parties pressed upon is. Why did he continue to engage in those conversations or those text messages with with hide and but it gives you a flavor of dealing with? Where did they meet? They met at the trump hotel bar which says a lot about the original star wars when all these unsavory characters all trying to get a piece of the president leverage something make a donation. Get something in return. It's it's kind of left partners and eager and gotten involved in the first instance here with Rudy Giuliani so Giuliani's putting together a team of offbeat art ball. Aw outliers to do stuff which is not. It may not be whether it's illegal. Not It's not proper and so then Robert Hod gets drawn into this as well. I mean and this is a little bit like what we saw with the Iran. Contra days with free bouterse doing things that you know. The president wanted but that he wasn't willing to do officially all right. Let's take a look at what Rachel said. She thinks his possibly the most important point revealed in her interview so far and that is a vice president Mike Mike Pence's involvement in what less Parnasse has to say. Let's watch this. Basically the next day to my awareness trump called up and you said to make sure pencils and go there so you believe that. Mr Pence's trip to the inauguration was cancelled because they didn't agree or no one hundred announced and stations negations Barbara reaction to that well again. I think it raises the question. If that is true that I agree with Rachel that that is an incredibly credibly significant event because it brings Mike Pence into this scheme. But I'd want to know a little more about it at number one. Did Mike Pence. No that was. The reason that his trip was cancelled. Is that in fact. The reason that his trip was cancelled if so it is very significant. But I think again what it demonstrates is it behooves the Senate to make this a real real trial to call witnesses to try to get to the bottom of what was really going on here. In fact it could even T- up a house investigation of Mike Pence. How for an impeachment of him? The witness that Mitt Romney says he wants to hear from is John Bolton. He doesn't specify others but he sounds like he's willing and to hear from others. Also there seems to be the most pressure on John Bolton as a possible witness that enough Republicans might agree to here. Let's listen to what love Parnasse Said tonight about John Bolton and as we listen to this let's consider how much this might add to Republican willingness to to hear from John Bolton as a witness in the Senate trial. Let's listen to this. I don't know exactly what Mr Bono but I know. Mr Bowl was definitely involved involved in the loop because of the firing of marie-yvonne also his interactions with Religiously they started butting heads and He was not agreeing. It was I mean from Venezuela to Ukraine Bolton didn't agree with Giuliani on the way of dealing dealing with it so there was tension. There there was there was definitely you believe he knows what the administration was pressuring Ukraine Tale Bolton hundred percent. He knows what happened there David Corn. It seems like the bulletin testimony just just became just a little bit more important as if as if it could remember a John Bolton has been in secondhand quoted saying that this was a drug deal you know the whole business with extorting the Ukraine to get Joe Biden investigation. And so now we saw I think this evening left parts describing driving. What is key can only be compared to a mob operation? You had that great quote. Giuliani said. Okay they'll see they don't give into this and what happens happens. Trump tells Giuliani and Giuliani tells. These button men. The basically they're hitman left part is to get out there and make this stuff happened and they put the squeeze On Ukraine so Bolton can really get to that point directly what do you mean by calling this you drug deal. What did you think was really going on but remember John Bolton has said he he will testify if subpoenaed? What are the house? What are the Senate Rules GonNa be about issuing subpoenas and who's going to go along with that and to Barbara's this point you know having having witnesses testify will be great? I think reporters should testify. But you gotTa have investigation to go with those witnesses. This is and that's something that is really not a part of the Senate trial procedures. It's something the house could do or the southern district of New York but there's a lot here that the impeachment trial we not dig into David Corn Barbara mcquade. Thank you for starting off our discussion tonight and we'll come back you'll cut. y'All will join us on what this new evidence wentz revealed tonight could mean in these Senate impeachment trial. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office U. STAMPS DOT COM instead. 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Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives resentatives and faces a trial in the Senate. We've witnessed incredibly historic moment. So what does it mean for us for politics and for our country with the politics of impeachment change. What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment search now wherever you're listening listening and subscribe thanks for listening. Here's Rudy Giuliani calling his good friend. Lev Parnis warn us when you get a chance. Give me a call and bring me up to date okay. I got a couple of things to tell you too thanks bye. I don't think he's going to be giving him a call after that voicemail and other documents released by the House Intelligence Committee after love Arneses interview with Rachel Tonight. I don't think Rudy Giuliani is going to getting that call anymore. You'll cut y'all's new piece. In The Washington Post is love and Juliana have demolished trump's claims of innocence and joining us. Now is Neal Katyal. He's a former acting. US Solicitor General. And he's now on. MSNBC legal contributor the title of his new pieces is as I said. Love Parnu Giuliani have demolished. Trump's claims of innocence I just want to give you a wide open field here. Neil and the reaction to what you heard in the last hour and Rachel's interview but what an extraordinary hour of television and Rachel really deserves a lot of commendation Dan for bringing that out. As does the House intelligence committee forgetting those documents yesterday. Because I think taken together all of it is really damning for president trump. And it's not just the existence of the documents or what he what he said. Mr Parnell said tonight to to Rachel. It's more than that. It's the the trajectory here. It's the fact that every month every week new documents come out new witnesses come forward in increasingly point the finger at trump trump call him a liar call him the centerpiece of this Orchestrated scheme and the like. And that's why I think we've seen trump do something. No the president in history has ever done a complete gag on all witnesses and all documents and even Nixon didn't do that so there's something something we now know why I mean. I think that trajectory the documents aparna said tonight reveals one thing which is the president is trying to hide the truth truth from coming out. And if there's one thing I wanNA leave your viewers with tonight Lawrence. It's this that trajectory is the reason why you need to have a real trial in the Senate in one way shape or form that documents have to come out. Witnesses have to come out and they have to testify and perhaps the best reason is that there are a lot of Americans who think this is all political and all made up and stuff like that and the Supreme Court has said you know live. Testimony is the greatest engine in for truth that the world has ever known so. Let's have live testimony. Let's bring out there and show everyone you know if this is a political trumped up thing fine find but boy. It sure doesn't look that way when witness after witness even though they were. I'd try attempted to be gagged by the trump administration have come forward and pointed the finger the president. And now you've got this guy who's facing jail tonight doing the same thing and one of the big headlines coming out of this interview involves Attorney General Oh bar. Let's listen to what Aparna said about him. Giuliani tell you. He'd spoken to the Attorney General specifically way about Ukraine. Not only rudy. Giuliani Victoria Joe. Or they're all best friends. I mean by was journal Bar was basically On the team and Neil let me just give you one more piece of the interview About Attorney General Bar before you comment on it. Let's listen to so this one extra piece which is even more specific. Do you know if Mr Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr Bar specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigation into Joe Biden. Absolutely Mr Bar knew about that Mr bar to everything I mean. It's impossible your reaction to that. Well I want to see you know pause and wait and see the corroboration as was just said by one of your guests earlier tonight tonight. I mean we want to see exactly what parts knew what when he was in the room. in the like before that obviously if bar was directly involved it could be explosive. It depends on what the degree of involvement was. And the like. But you know the whole thing here has been so unusual. The president has claimed claim. This is about fighting corruption. If it's about fighting corruption the last person tasks and fire corruption. Is Your own present personal private attorney particularly when. That Guy Rudy Giuliani of all people in so. I think there's always been more than efficient to this entire explanation but it's really falling apart one document. The last night was really revealing Lawrence. It was a document from Giuliani Basically saying I am acting not as the president's lawyer President's representative ended but as his personal representative not as the representative of the president of the United States and that I think puts the law and this is what my watching a piece went into today puts the light the idea that the president was out there trying to fight corruption. That's an official task of the president of the United States. And send official people to do that. You don't send your private attorney. Ernie and your private attorney who warns everyone. Oh I am not acting on behalf of the president as president but on behalf of this personal interest. The whole thing stinks. It's exactly why you need to have live witnesses and a real trial and if you're a Senate Republican right now I don't care how conservative you are In how much you love this president president. You gotTa love this country more. The truth has to come out. That's what the American way as if you want to. You know. Say at the end of this we still want this guy. Hi to be president. Despite all this you know vote that way but let the truth. Come out let the people decide. Don't gag it Neil. You're just citing the letter rudy. Giuliani Johny wrote to the president of Ukraine. Saying he represents the President United States in a personal capacity The New York Daily News last night. got a comment. I meant out of Rudy Giuliani on that that they published in this morning's edition. It was the only comment anyone was able to get out of Guiliani Onto Rachel. got a comment on tonight. Here's here's what Rudy Giuliani said to the daily news defending that letter. Let me see if you can make sense of it because he uses some legal words here. I'm not sure if they belong here. He says it is a very helpful letter. It proves I was seeking information as a private counsel seeking exculpatory evidence for his client. Neil doesn't there have to be a case in which you're seeking evidence will. Oh I do think that this is helpful in a way. It's helpful to Rudy Giuliani. Because you know one of the things. I think that Giuliani has to fear is the president is going to say. Oh Giuliani was a rogue actor doing this all on his own and what I think of Mr Giuliani is saying there is no. I was doing this at the direction of the president which which is very good for ready Juliani very very bad if you're donald trump because it's now undercutting that basis for a possible defense that you were GonNa make and we. I heard Mr Parnell tonight. Say something similar to Rachel. He said That the biggest lie in the reason why he was coming forward was trump's claim that he didn't yeah no he said Parnasse said quote trump. Knew exactly what was going on and I think Giuliani's defense this morning in the paper is of a similar ill. It's basically Klay to say. Oh no I'm not doing this as a rogue agent I'm doing this of the direction of Donald Trump and if you're trump tonight I think you've gotta worry that things are starting starting to circle in on you. There's person after person who's looking out for themselves and looking out to tell the truth and that's not a good place if you're Donald Trump Neal Katyal thank you for your invaluable perspective on all of this tonight really enjoy having you with us thank you and when we come back it has been an and historic day in the impeachment of Donald Trump. And what is about to be the impeachment trial of Donald Trump in the United States. Senate that would have been and what we would have been leading with tonight. Were it not for this extraordinary Rachel managed to deliver tonight. We will have the impeachment trial of Donald Trump. Don't coming up in this hour and more on Rachel's interview and you will see more of Rachel's interview in this out. Hey It's Chris as you know. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take our broader look issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is is this happening? 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I have no reason to speak to any of these officials. I mean they. They have no reason to speak to me. Why would presidents Alinsky his inner circle or Minister of alcohol for all these people were President Per Shankar? Meet with me. Who Am I? They were told. Oh to meet with me jared discussion. Now Ben Rhodes. He's a former deputy national security advisor to President Obama also. MSNBC POLITICAL AND ALLISTON. Ron Klein is with. Its former chief chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee and was a senior aide to vice president. Joe Biden and President Obama. He's now an outside adviser to Joe. Biden's twenty twenty presidential campaign Ben I WANNA get your reaction to what you have learned in this hour Rachel's extraordinary our first our engineer. There'll be more tomorrow night With with love partners well Lawrence it just kind of confirms the fact pattern and really builds on it and spotlights the incredible abnormal corruption of this administration. A couple of things. Stand out to me Lawrence first of all just stepping back. Why was this person? Love partners involved in our Ukraine policy at all first place likes you know we kind of take this off for granted but but who is this character who's delivering messages on behalf of the United States to a foreign government that it's been invaded by Russia to try to get the investigation of president trump's political opponents just the character of love parnassus unthinkable in any other administration and that alone is kind of a staggering to see him talk about about these messages. He's delivering for the United States. The one other thing I want to say Lawrence is the idea that Mike Pence wouldn't know why his trip to the Ukrainian. The inauguration was canceled. I think also laughable and Ron nooses from being chief-of-staff vice-president but this is a big deal. The travel all the way to Ukraine for the inauguration of an allied that is besieged by Russia and the rug is pulled out from under that trip. You would have to know why so. I think this does point very big finger Mike in this in this game as well. Let's listen to it. partis said about corruption. He said it was not ever about corruption. It was always about Joe Biden. Let's let's listen to this. The president was aware that you Mr Giuliani were working on this effort in Ukraine to basically try to hurt Joe Biden's political career. Where he was he knows about that? Joe Biden onto Biden and also rudy had something with the manafort stuff The black bludger thing that they were looking into but it was never about corruption was never it was strictly about The BARISTA smile which included Hunter Biden. Joe Biden Ron claim. It was never about corruption. Yeah it's clear. The president is the lowest of criminals commit the highest of crimes. I mean this is part of a pattern of getting foreign governments trying to extort bribe. Foreign governments to participate in our elections wasn't about corruption. All wasn't about anything on the mayor on the Level one hundred percent about him. TRY TO DIG UP DIRT on a political opponent and pressure into pressure. Russia's foreign government bribe a foreign government to manufacture dern about a political opponent is Ben and said this was not a small stake situation you created been invaded by Russia National Social Security was on the line and the president put all that on hold hired these low level thugs to go try to shake down afford government to help them in a campaign. It is the most serious betrayal was oath of office and he used crazy thugs to do it. And then the Left parties went on about the specific. Civic way he communicated some some of his communication was more angry and forceful others with the Ukrainian government but he makes very clear. What's it's necessary? In order to have good relations with president trump time any kind of relations with president trump anything involving military aid or anything else And and as much as we can wonder about the credibility of this witness who we've never heard speak before everything he said tonight. syncs six o'clock with other testimony that's already been presented under oath in the investigation. I didn't hear anything that didn't fit with a puzzle part that we already already have. That's right and it's it's amazing to think you know months ago. We were debating whether it would be confirmed in some way that there was a quid pro quo now every witness that we've heard from informal normal testimony and now Interviews like this confirms that they were leveraging pens his trip to get this investigation. They Biden's they're leveraging military to get the the investigation into into the Biden's each witness has added that fact pattern and that says things to me. One you cannot possibly have a Senate trial without wanting to hear from people who can fill in more of this picture because everybody who we hear from provides more information and we know partner says documents. It's all gonna come at anyway. It should come out in this trial and the other thing is what do we not know about about what trump is doing and his foreign policy. Can you imagine. I mean this investigation. The impeachment the highest of course of action that the house can take has yielded in squeezed out this information. What are we not seeing in? Trump's relationships with foreign governments what level of corruption in personal interest might be their relationship with Russia or China or Saudi Arabia. In addition in Ukraine be put the onus further on Congress to investigate not just this but what exactly is happening in this White House One of the other things he said tonight that syncs syncs up with a pre existing reality is that Rudy Giuliani has said some pretty crazy things on TV and not so surprisingly according to love. Donald trump has been very angry about some of those things and he talked about during the investigation. I hearing President Trump on the phone screaming at Rudy Giuliani about. It's something he'd said on TV. Let's listen to that. I remember during the Muller Times where remember said something that he didn't appreciate. We should or was taken out of context and he was screaming at him so allow. That's when I watched impeachment and I saw the testimony about the Solomon that I read. I understand that you could hear president trump talking next to like. I heard him several times when he was with the because he speaks loudly very loudly RUN CLAIM He. The president trump does not apparently know how to have a conversation. One on one that stays one on one. Yeah the the worst client in the world has the worst lawyer in the world and it's a match that really. They deserve one. Another apparently as Mr Partisan also corroborates ambassador silence testimony in the House before before where he said that everyone could hear trump talking to him yelling at him on the phone and trump said Oh you know trump and that type of no one ever over hears me on these phone calls and now we get get more corroboration of this. I mean it is a pattern. It is eight is it was a basically a mob protection racket tried to extort help from afford government and a a political campaign. It's the it's the it's one of the worst crimes we've seen in American history and every piece of evidence fits together and makes clear. That's what was going on. Here are on Clayton A and Ben. Rhodes we really appreciate having your perspectives. Having worked for vice president and the president and being inside a White House. But you're hearing tonight about nothing like anything thing you've ever experienced inside the White House and apparently no one's ever experienced since the White House really appreciate having you and when we come back where is secretary of State Mike Compel with all of this information coming out about possible surveillance and alleged possible threats of a US ambassador to Ukraine. Where Eric is the secretary of State who was supposed to protect those ambassadors? Mike Pompeo as a member of congress was outraged endlessly about what happened to our ambassador Benghazi but he has nothing to say nothing to say in these last twenty four hours. Do you believe that part of the motivation to get rid of Ambassador to get her out of post was because She was in the way of this effort to get the government of Ukraine to announce investigations have Joe Biden. Those only motivation that was the only other. Donald Trump told the president of Ukraine in the phone. Call that got the president of the United States. Impeached that the American ambassador to Ukraine Marie amount of rich who donald trump had just removed was quote was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine. Were bad news so I just WanNa let you know. Oh that she's going to go through some things to donald trump on under surveillance through Guiliani and his associates including love partners. The evidence left handed over to the house. Intelligence Committee includes texts from trump contributor Robert. Hi to left harness. Yes that indicated Mr Hyde. How the ambassador under Surveillance Rachel? I love about that repeatedly. It appears to be giving you very specific information about the ambassadors movements about her location about her security situation calls the B word it over and over again. It's very hostile to her and seems to be monitoring her whereabouts. What why did those exchanges happen? What was he trying to tell you? I don't believe I think he was either drunk or he's was trying to make himself bigger than it was so I didn't take it seriously and I was trying to see. I didn't even respond to most of the time if I did it was like something. Lowell or okay or great or something like that just to because I wouldn't respond for a long time and then I didn't want him to get rowdy if I saw him next time and say well. Why didn't you type those texts? Were taken very seriously last night when they released last night by the diplomatic corps the United States all over the world. Dennis Schell Smith is a former career foreign service officer who served as ambassador to Qatar. In the Obama administration she held several positions in the State Department tours of duty posts around the world. She speaks Arabic Chinese Spanish and Hebrew and she knows the kinds of risks are ambassadors face including threats that she herself faced when serving as ambassador after the news broke last last night of the threatening language used in these newly revealed tax about embassador Ivanovich. Donna Shell Smith tweeted. Many ambassadors are used used to hearing about threats and various malign actors surveilling us. It's the fact that it was Americans plotting associates of the president put. That takes this just beyond January discussion. Now is former ambassador. Dennis Schell SMA. Thank you very much for joining US tonight. And I WANNA to get your reaction to the new evidence entering into this picture tonight of love partners saying oh no worry about it. That was all just a joke. Mr Hyde died is just a drunk and I didn't take him seriously. Mr Hyde himself appeared on another a network saying yeah I was drunk all joke. What is your reaction to that? It was is all a joke defense. Well thanks for having me Lawrence. I mean my reaction is that it needs to be investigated. I hope it was just a joke. I hope for that landscaper in Connecticut. who was drunk just happened to be texting about an ambassador in Ukraine and with very specific things like what her electronic devices were doing and the layout of the embassy buildings so yeah? I hope that was a joke but it really just does need to be investigated if we take it and think of it in a different context maybe from regions where I've served if you knew a group wanted you out of the way and then you saw that sort of text exchange change. I don't think anybody would be very relaxed about it. Can you imagine a in any previous administration a secretary of state being absolutely silent after the revelation of evidence like this Lawrence. I joined the Foreign Service when I was twenty one years old. I worked for eight secretaries of state. Five presidents I've seen leadership this is. It's unbelievable I know. I cannot imagine any secretary Terry. Having been absent every hour. That Secretary Peyot is silent or tweeting about other things is just. It's more unconscionable unsuitable and just a complete abdication of his leadership role or let's take a look at Rachel going at this issue again as I said she questioned about this repeatedly Let's listen to more of your questions about this questions about this. But the texts where he was supposedly reporting on the whereabouts of the ambassador went went on for a week. I mean it wasn't like one drunk night correspondent for seven days couldn't have been drunk the whole time of year old. He wakes up and is drunk he starts at six. I mean I've never seen him not drunk so you thought that this was him making it up. You didn't believe he actually had the ambassador under Alan. Absolutely so the defenses. It was a joke. He was drunk. But what you're calling for is an investigation. And I. I know if you were still an ambassador inservice. You couldn't be with us now. Having this conversation and calling for this investigation I have a sense that you are. We're speaking for ambassadors United States ambassadors around the world. Tonight they haven't asked me to. I may have the sense that I'm speaking for some of them as well. But I'm I'm here with my own opinion but I don't know how anybody could listen to that interview and not walk away and say there needs to be an investigation of the threat and of all of these surrounding issues You had an earlier guest talking about our foreign policy being hijacked by this group of people with no official role in no oversight. There's a whole host of issues that need to be investigated and I think anyone who cares about our national security feels that way and such an investigation would be under the jurisdiction of the Attorney General of the United States in the last hour in that interview. We just heard live police. Say The attorney. General William Bar is on the team. He was part of this entire endeavor of trying to influence Ukraine. How does that make you feel about the possibilities of investigation? Well I can't speculate on what might actually happen in an investigation. And I'm really grateful that Chairman Angle and the House Foreign Affairs Committee is is calling for an investigation as well and I believe planning to conduct one. But I will say having spent you know two and a half decades explaining blaming American institutions to foreign publics and talking about our justice system as the finest in the world and our system of checks and balances. It's heartbreaking heartbreaking actually to even contemplate that our system might not work and. I'm not talking about what the outcome is. I'm talking about an investigation and let the investigation happen and see where it leads. You investor Dan Shell Smith. Thank you for your service representing this country country around the world and thank you for joining us tonight really appreciate it thank you and when we come back once again with Donald Trump as Nancy Pelosi says all roads lead to poop. That's next did you also convey to him that the US government would stop showing support for mistress Alinsky. They wouldn't attend the inauguration that was that was the biggest thing. Actually that was the that was the main Because at that time you have to understand the way you create an is for presents alinsky winning on that platform being a young president and I really having the experience the number one thing and being at war with Russia at the time the number one thing for them was not even eight and I know it sounds sounds crazy but it was more of a support from the president back with us. As Ben Rhodes former deputy national security advisor to President Obama and then of of course the beneficiary of withholding aid Ukraine and withholding any kind of recognition by the president or vice president of the new president of Ukraine. The big beneficiary of all of that every day of that is Vladimir Putin and I want to combine what we just heard with passage from this new book of that. That's coming out about the president written by to Washington Post reporter and it contains this moment during the transition talking about He interrupts president interrupts an interview with one of his Secretary of state candidates to inquire about his pressing desire. When can I make Putin? Can I meet meet him. Before the inaugural ceremony he asks Nancy Pelosi's all roads lead to Putin seems very powerful in the story absolutely lawrence. Keep in mind. We're talking about the scandal. In Ukraine Russia occupies a chunk of that country and has been in an ongoing war in Ukraine. What Russia wants is they want Ukraine isolated in their orbit their sphere of influence? They want the United States divided from our allies. They want the United States to be dysfunctional and divided at home so they have been in a engaged in a multi year intelligence operation to support Donald Trump and it began and before the two thousand sixteen election and it hasn't ended and we knew from recent reporting that they are also in on the effort to get damaging material about the Biden. SUVERY SMA through some of the same. A military intelligence units that were responsible for the two thousand sixteen election interference so absolutely we know Vladimir Putin wants to help Donald Trump. We know that Donald Trump is very solicitous of Bodmer Rootin- And frankly the question that we've always wondered is why is Donald Trump persistently so solicitous of Vladimir Putin and so willing to fall into the hands and do the things that A. US adversary wants to do yet. Another reason for Republicans are used to care about. This used to be tough on Russia or say they were at least to want to get to the bottom of this. Let's make sure I credit the book properly. The title is a very stable genius. And it's written by Philip Rucker and Carolina there are extraordinary stories in here including trump trump. Having no idea where China's borders are we could go on and on about it. I think we will on another night. Ben Rhodes thank you very much for joining us through this important. Our really appreciate it. That is tonight's last word. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit down. PODCAST I get together with Ed Harris to talk about his prolific career from the right stuff to westworld and now to kill a mockingbird on Broadway. Get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's exclusive interview with Lev Parnas

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Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's exclusive interview with Lev Parnas

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. MSNBC tonight we will present part two of my interview with left Parnis. Now as I said before the first part of the interview last night and I want to reiterate now Mr Partners is under federal indictment. He was one of four defendants charged in early October. With multiple felonies related to an alleged scheme to funnel four and otherwise illegal donations to various Republican publican candidates and campaigns including more than three hundred thousand dollars in allegedly illegal donation to the main super pacs. Supporting the president's reelection. Mr Parnell is under indictment. He says he would like to cooperate with the impeachment investigators. He says he would also like to cooperate. Operate with the federal prosecutors who have charged him in the southern district of New York but he is right now out on bond awaiting trial and I will just mention at the outset that I am cognizant of the fact that we are presenting the second part of this interview tonight rather than just diving right right into some of the other momentous and historic news of today including the start today of the Senate trial of President Trump today marks only the third third time in US history that an American president has faced an impeachment trial in the Senate and it was a solemn beginning today the administering of the oath to the chief the justice of the Supreme Court the administering the oath to all senators all of the senators individually signing their names to the oath one by one in alphabetical order. Solemn thing it's a sobering thing this is a big deal and it is worse worth you know. Massive headlines is that it's getting all over the country it is absolutely worth marking this day in history. It is also worth noting that the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office today today issued a ruling that it was illegal for president trump to withhold aid to Ukraine as part of this scheme that what he did there was against the law all for that to be arriving today that ruling from the Government Accountability Office on the day that the Senate impeachment trial starts and this is all a big deal but it's also becoming clear that what happens next in the impeachment of president trump in this senate trial may depend in part on the additional evidence and witnesses who are still coming forward as the Ukraine scheme is coming more fully to light and so onward. Here's part two all right. One of the main questions. A lot of different people have asked I myself. uh-huh have have asked and have wondered main question asked about Mr Parnassus decision to give this first. Public interview is why why he would speak out publicly while he's out on bond awaiting trial right. That is atypical behavior to say. The least for a federal criminal defendant particularly particularly one who has a sentient lawyer. I mean the common wisdom is that public remarks and remarks to the media could really only disadvantage a defendant in his or her dealings with federal prosecutors. Right if you speak out publicly if you speak to the media it's GonNa hurt your criminal case that is the common wisdom for all federal defendants and all kinds of criminal mental trials. So why Mr Parnasse doing well. In this case Mr says that he has a significant in fear of the Justice Department and specifically he has significant fear of attorney. General William Bar for him. That is not reason to be quiet. That is part of the reason why he's making his case now to the public. My understanding spending a longtime with Mr Parnasse. Doing this interview view is that he believes he's safer putting this stuff out in the public sphere. Then he is keeping his mouth shut while the Justice Department knows what he was involved in and they know what he knows and they have his fate in their hands. My only objective is there. Get the truth out. Because I'd never thought I did. I was doing anything wrong. I still you know I. I regret certain things that I did. Because like you know hurting passenger and you know 'cause that was not something uptick but it was part of. It's like when you're in a war. You think like casualties and stuff like that. It's it's it's bad to say but it was it was I keep saying it was like you know being being in the call I mean and when they say organized Kinda I don't think trump was like org. I think he's like a cult leader the braid now the scary part. And that's what I keep mentioning and people don't understand Stand there's there's a lot of Republicans that would go against him. The only reason if you take a look and you know very well because you've been following the difference between white trump is so a powerful now and he wasn't as powerful and sixteen and seventeen. He became the powerful when he got William Bar. People are scared and my scare. Yes because I think more scared of our Justice Department than of these criminals right now because the scariest part is getting locked than some room and get treated as an animal. When did nothing wrong or or when you're not you know and that's the tool? They're using I mean I mean just because they're trying to scare into not talking and doing what God's help with my my moyer next to me that I know we'll go back for me no matter what would the truth and I'm taking the chance. My wife is scared my kids in there. He says they're trying to scare me into not talking. King Mr Par is referencing. Something specific. Actually that I asked him about in more detail and different part of the interview that I'm GonNa show you just a moment But what Mr describes there as a sort of what he says is is a cultish environment him saying getting out of that cultish environment around the president resident now makes him regret some of his actions that thing that he saying about it being like a cult that he regrets his behavior there that applies as well to the central claim at the heart of the impeachment scandal. which was this concerted effort? That Mister Peres was involved in to accuse former vice president Joe Biden of wrongdoing doing and to get Ukraine to announce investigations of Vice President Biden in terms of the information. The allegations against Vice President Biden. Mr Shokhin mix allegations against Mr Biden. Mr Lukashenko also makes allegations against Mr Biden. Do you believe that those allegations were true. When we were dealing with? When I was in the middle of the thick of things I think I was kind of in? I keep saying it's like a cultish environment of being around president trump because like I've been in DC for two years. I've never left the trump hotel type of situation so I truly believed seeing in different information that was handed to us at that time. That Joe Biden was doing something illegal Not so much hunter Biden but more Joe Biden but after are analyzing all the evidence and sitting back and release. What's a call understanding what's going on? I don't think I don't think vice-president buying anything wrong. I think he he was protecting our country and getting rid of probably a crooked. The Attorney General and people use this to their advantage. A lot of rich people in Ukraine have their agenda and they use US here for their own political stuff so I think this is was a big one in terms of material that was handed over to intelligence on March Twenty Second Mr Lutsenko texts shoe in Russia and and there's a translation Asian that's provided by the committee. Says it's just that if you don't make a decision about Madam you are bringing into question all my allegations including about be. So when he says Madam is he talking about Besser investor group and when he says all allegations including about be about reach Mumbai Buy Yes okay. And it's very small or Biden. I guess it could be either. It was always buy them. Barista was just I mean nobody cares about Berea. S'mores Jeff Ski. It was The concern was biting them. Hunter by in that text message to you is Mr Sankoh saying in effect. Listen if you want me to make these despite allegations you're going to have to get rid of this ambassador. Absolutely was he threatening that. If you didn't get rid of the ambassador. He might withdraw his allegations. He actually drew. He withdrew within several times. He wanted ambassador IANOVICH ousted for his own career reasons. He had clashed with her in her anticorruption efforts. That head butted up against it's ten. Let's Cinco and Shokhin both had an interest in getting rid of US ambassador. Maria von Vich. And it's funny because they both don't like each other the Sean Can Hayslett go. And even though I used to be his underling but They say listen. It's it's a different environment over there in. Its unless you live unless you do business there unless you on the visit there and understand that Bribery and it's just a way of life. I mean regular people at the store do it. They'll bribe the butcher together. Better meet piece of meat and it's normal or get better seats at the concert. So it's like away of life over there so the way the structures up and that's why everybody's hoping Zilenski changes it but I don't know how much he could change with one. Says like there's already embedded Bennett. This was Where once you become in America? It's like you become a politician to serve your country not to make money because you can make money in Ukraine. It's the opposite view. Some of these people pay millions of dollars to get a seat as a politician so once they get there. So it's all about the money and it's all about about the power left Parnis a key fixer and figure in the effort to fit up Vice President Joe Biden with accusations of wrongdoing in Ukraine to force the government to announce investigations into Mr Biden to force out to the US ambassador. Marie Ivanovich who was in the way of that effort. Mr Mr Parnasse now apologizing to that. US Ambassador Ambassador Yvonna Vich we dot last night and as I just showed you Mr Parnasse also says he now now does not believe that Vice President Biden did anything wrong in Ukraine and that Vice Presidents Vice President Biden's actions there which Mr Parnasse helped try to turn into do a scandal in his words. Now he says Mr Biden's actions were taken to protect our country and get rid of a crooked attorney. General by confirming firming the nature of his own communications with that official he refers to as a crooked attorney general. Mr Partners also makes clear that the removal of ambassador avant was a demand from the key. Accusers that he and Mr Giuliani and the president and others have been using to make this this false case against Biden the accusers including boatload Cinco Shokhin Wanted Ivanovich Gone Looks Sankoh explicitly demanded to pardon us that the ambassador be removed or his allegations against Biden might be a risk shokhin and Lutsenko wanted Ambassador Ivanovich removed and left parties telling because they were corrupt and she was a force against corruption in Ukraine. And they wanted her out of their way to think about the collateral damage that was caused not only in our own country but around the world and in Ukraine by this scheme to aid the president's reelection effort McAfee pretty clear sense sense of what that might be in Ukraine when it comes to anti-corruption president trump alleged personal role in trying to remove ambassador. IANOVICH before she was ultimately recalled old. We're going to have more on that coming up this hour as well but we started four we get to that. There's there's one other piece of this that I want to foreground here. That isn't specifically weekly about President Trump. It's about another senior. Member of the trump administration who love says stepped in to play a role in the Ukraine scheme at a very key moment the new president of Ukraine elected on this anti-corruption platform right engaged in ongoing war with Russia he's inaugurated in May as the new leader of Ukraine. Heat somewhat desperately needs a show of support strong show of support from the United States government. That's key to the US. Ah the Ukraine in terms of its fight with Russia among other things on the eve of Zelenskaja's inauguration Mr Parthenis told me and the portion of the interview. We played yesterday okay that he was directed by Rudy Giuliani with spoken to president trump about it. He was directed to really turn up the pressure on Ukraine to demand to the Ukrainian government. That's unless they announced Abidin investigation the Ukrainian government would lose not only all US military aid lose all the US aid and vice. President Pence would not come to the inauguration of the new president. Vice President Pence has plans to attend the inauguration. At that point were in full swing. The the threat was that that would be cancelled. That pence wouldn't come unless they met the Biden investigation demand. We played this portion of the interview last night. But here's a little squib from it to refresh your memory in the conversation. I told him that if he doesn't the amount was the key at that time because of the inauguration that that pence would not show up nobody would show to operation unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to corrosive Mike Pence that conversation as Mr Parnell describes it He says that was in May of last year may twelfth specifically a meeting he says with a top hop aid to the incoming president elect in Ukraine. Mr Zelinski top adviser. He says that demand that he made that they need to announce the Biden investigation was rebuffed. The Ukrainians Indians did not agree to announce a Biden investigation. Despite the threat Mr Parnell was making their on behalf of the White House and when they rebuffed his demand and they did not provide abide that announcement of the investigation. In fact the following day. The White House made good on their threat and vice president. Mike Pence did cancel his planned trip to this Alinsky the inauguration that's as far as we got in the interview with Mr Parnasse as of last night but the way it went down thereafter. Is that after vice. President pence is cancelled his trip to the inauguration within a few days the US government decided they would send another senior official in his place. So let's pick up the story there. That's when we flew to Paris and Paris whomever for and we were comparison rudy basically. That's when I found out that the Perry was to the these decided to set Perry. They're Senator Secretary Rick Perry Creek. It's did you you learn from Mr Giuliani correct. Was Mr Perry to your knowledge. Aware of what you and Mr Giuliani. We're trying onto do in Ukraine in terms of getting these investigations announced. I don't know to what extent he know about me because I don't know what he was a little bit definitely he know about Really because He who's told he called Rudy on his way there to ask them what to discuss and Rudy told him that the made to make sure to give him the message. Mr Giuliani told secretary. Perry what you need to convey to the Ukrainian government is that they need to announce an investigation into job. I do you know if part of the message that Mr Giuliani conveyed. The secretary it was also that Ukraine would lose their military aid. They'd lose their. US aid if they didn't announce those investigations. I don't recall having specific conversation about about that. It was more of just Telling him what he needs to do to announce it. I don't know what other conversation had prior or after but I know that there was another conversation. Perry called after the inauguration telling him that he spoke to Skins Perry he says I spoke with the landscape and got him to agree. I got him to agree to announce the investigation announced but they didn't announce that see this is the whole key. They were constantly every time somebody would do skeet the ovary and then they will walk it back so they found something of a corruption that he's going to have corruption but that Giuliani blue lit on that saying. That's not what we discussed that wasn't supposed to be corruption. Invested announcement has to be about Joe Biden. The by the reason he said the name by needs to be spoken with this always they did not want them to announce corruption investigations or anticorruption efforts efforts. That was not it. It had to be about Biden. They had to say Biden left parties. Alleging that former energy secretary Rick Perry sorry who we know from impeachment. Hearing testimony was tasked by the White House is one of three officials along with Kurt. Volker and Gordon Sunlen who are taking the lead for the trump White House on Ukraine policy policy. The three Amigos according to Love Parnassus Secretary of Energy Rick. Perry was directed by Rudy Giuliani to deliver the message to the Ukrainian government meant that they needed to announce investigations into Joe Biden. He says Mr Kearney's says that Mr Perry phoned Mr Giuliani when he contacted Mr Giuliani and said that he had been in touch with the Ukrainian president that he had conveyed the message and not in fact the Ukrainian government had agreed to make about announcement now Secretary of Energy Rick. Perry has denied playing any role in this scheme but he did crash out of the trump cabinet just as the scandal started to come to the surface. It was October sixteenth. When The Wall Street Journal reported that in fact Secretary Perry did call Rudy Giuliani to talk about Ukraine? He did so at the direction of president trump the following day. October Seventeenth Rick. Perry tendered his resignation. 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I answer these questions and more on article the two inside impeachment search now wherever you're listening and subscribe. Thanks for listening. Did you ever have any communications with the Council of the President J. J. secular during the time that you were involved in this several conversations one in particular which I would have to refresh my memory by looking. Got My text messages with him. But we had to do with I think it was victorians visa or something to do with. Ukraine was busy at the time and basically told told me that the J. was aware of everything that he brought him up to speed and that I could call him and he was on top by that did he mean that Mister Sekula was aware of this effort to try hi to get Ukraine to announce investigations. Actually one of the things I think was the best quote ever was Mr Sutherland said everybody was the loop and that everybody was. I don't believe though I know they were on the I was witness to conversations and go in between them and everybody was in the little. Everybody didn't agree with the loop. I mean Jay seculow didn't agree with what really was doing but he knew what he was. How do you know that? He didn't agree with it because I heard them talk about what was his objection. He didn't want to be involved in the crane stuff he. You don't know what his you'd have to ask him. What his but my feeling from the conversations and watching the way Jay approached at situation was he just didn't want to be a part wanted to stay away from? You mentioned that you were trying to get Mr Shokhin visa to come to the United States. What were you trying to do that? After the conversation Mr Shokhin had with Mr is to Julia skype They discussed in the range that they were going to have mister show. Come here and Mr Giuliani wide. So debris from here in front of Mr Lindsey Graham Him and Certain other people like Attorney General because Mr Sharon. What's going to say what he's basically going to testify and say that Joe Biden Basically forced out because he was going to investigate hunter by embarrassment. Was the president himself ever involved in the effort to get this Visa Lisa for Mr Shokhin in the text messages that were released. Mr Giuliani appears to tell you he's going to get number one involved in this effort to get Mr Shokhin into the US. was that a reference to the president. President absolutely did the president number one of course of Parnell stating that. President trump himself was aware of and involved in efforts to try to bring at least one biden accuser from the from Ukraine to the United States among other things brief Senator Lindsey Graham Liam and Attorney General William Bar we believe that accuser former Ukrainian prosecutor. Victor Shokhin had his visa to visit the United it states blocked by the US embassy Kiev because it was the official US government view of him that he was way too corrupt as a public official to be allowed a US visa. But it's also noteworthy that Mr Ernest says that he believes that counsel to the President Jaysekulow was aware of everything. The thing that was going on in this Ukraine scheme but that he disapproved of it Mr Partisans words he said that Mr Secolo wanted to stay away from all this stuff involving Ukraine. I should note at this point that Mr secular is expected to be one of the main defence counsel for president trump in his impeachment trial which convened today in the Senate. I I should also note that Mr Parnell says Mr Kilo was however much disapproved of the whole Ukraine's game he says Mr Secular was directly involved in advising him not to cooperate with the investigation into the Ukraine scheme and signing him up with some other lawyers who ultimately fired but but who also told him not to cooperate with the investigation into Ukraine. How did you end up with Mr Downing and Mr Dowd representing you? When impeachment inquiry had contacted you for testimony to question Rachel First of all what happened was We were VN the one we got notified that We we have the congressional so What's request and I was there with Victoria tons and enjoy the general working on the Dmitri case and the first people I came to them them and said what do I do this I called Rudy? I called and said WH- what do we do. you know. How do we go through these first response was I? Don't worry about for guys. Like what do you mean Oregon Attorney please again attorney. Well he came back and said Oh I have great John Doubt and we're like Oh. We got excited because I didn't know who John was but he was the president's attorney so it was a very like you know exciting situation even though it was all this going on. It's still you know like the looney tunes But I would I call John introduce myself like rudy connected us and at first everything was good and then like about fifteen fifteen minutes later I get a call from him saying We have a problem that I'm not gonNA probably be able to represent you. I said what happened. He goes. I've been speaking with G.. Sokolow sokolow and You know Because I was the president's attorney and I'm still kind of doing work for the president There's a conflict of interest unless he wants to leave it and I. I don't think the president is going to waive that conflict because at that point John Dow didn't know who I was also. He didn't think I had any relationship with the president and that responded to myself I think he will. I said the president will waive the conflict in representing absolutely. I said give me a call. I'm sure we could work this out. They said because this is very important. about fifteen twenty minutes later. I got called back from John Dowd. He said you're one lucky guy. Just got a call from J sokolow got the permission and I'm getting in writing short to me. You are one lucky guy. I JUST WANNA interrupt here for a moment to show you that in fact what Mr Parnasse is talking talking about here is corroborated by some of the documentation that he has handed over to the house. Intelligence Committee this letter from jaysekulow allow saying that he jay secular got president. Trump's express permission for love to be represented legally by John Doubt that was in fact a letter that Mister Peres turned over to the impeachment investigators and now has been conveyed to the Senate so Jaysekulow says I have talked to the president about you you love and I have received his permission to let you use John Out as your lawyer. Mr Parnasse thinks he is very lucky. This is great it shows that the president is willing to help help him out. It also shows he's getting the president's lawyer which is wonderful. Mr Parnell went on to say in the interview that he was advised by his new lawyer. Who is very excited about John? Dowd in consultation with J secular at the White House and Rudy Giuliani that he should not cooperate with the investigation into Ukraine. The impeachment investigation. That's let's bring Congress. He's been asked by the impeachment investigators to give information. He says he is advised by his new legal team in communication education with the White House with the President's Council Jaysekulow that he shouldn't cooperate even though he says he personally would have been happy. You got a request from Congress to come to you for you mister into come testify investigation. You were inclined to say yes absolutely nothing. I would not doing anything illegal on your lawyer. John Dowd Out however advise you not to cooperate and said the president would give you cover for. Not Cooperating. Was a little bit more than that it was. I was brought into John House. And we we got Jay sekulow the phone and also row the and Victoria's and then basically they came up with the situation that said Because I worked for Rudy and because I worked for Victoria and because Rudy work for the president we have three way privilege and that basically patsick loan was going to be writing a letter to Congress. Telling him to that nobody's cooperating and that would protect us under the same order and he the follow up with that again. This is the president of the United States. So I mean I thought okay I said if he has all the information I have. I did my duty. I gave him whenever people go ahead. Mister Parnasse says that he disagreed with this decision to not cooperate with the congressional investigation into the Ukraine crain's game. He said he was inclined to hand over whatever he had but he says the president himself approved Mr Kearney's using this lawyer who the president himself at us. Mr Doubt Mr Secular on the White House was part of the team. Giving him advice that he should not cooperate he figured it was probably fine since all of this appeared to be coming down to him from the president of the United States. And all of these people who worked with the president but then left parties got arrested. And that's when things went quite pear-shaped Mr Dowd was your attorney for a time and then you changed attorneys fired right him in jail. Fired him when you're in jail. Yes what happened Mr Downing Basically when we were arrested obviously I had nowhere else to call. I didn't know we just retain thousand downing so I called Downing to come there And I started seeing the process. The bail stuff the way things were going on that they were more concentrate concentrating on. I didn't feel that they were trying to get out and At that point I had a meeting with John Dowd and downing inside the jail of and John Dow just instead of comforting me and try to calm. Cadel telling me like it's going to be okay late on worry. Basically start talking to me like a drill sergeant telling me giving me orders like you know like a good boy like you know. It'd be a good boy. I'll quote him exactly on what the words what he used in that because it was a while ago. Remember exactly but it was. It was condescending sending attitude towards basically like who do you think you are telling the President or the audio or anybody to like Come out and because I one of the things I said I said I can't. I can't believe nobody's coming out in our defense and saying we didn't do like wrong. We're good citizens you know we work and Basically word for word and then I said that If you don't get Outta here right now Something Bad's going to happen because I don't want to see the two of you and at that point Downing Emergency Button and the security took me it took them up so this is very heated. Confrontation you told Downing Endowed to get out our throat. Were they telling you to sacrifice yourself in in order to protect the president. That's what is the implication of this story of the lawyers That you feel that people loyal to the president close to the president. We're trying to influence your defense and your case in a way that was against your interests but in the president's interest absolutely flu trachea quite love Parnis again. It should be noted is out on bond awaiting trial on multiple felony counts for allegedly elite funneling foreign and otherwise illegal donations to Republican candidates and campaigns including the Super Pac that supporting president trump's re-election effort terms of the lawyers who was talking about here Kevin Downing was the main defense lawyer for the President's campaign chairman Paul Manafort who is currently serving more within seven years in federal prison. John Dowd was one of the President's defense counsels on the Russia investigation. Both Mr Downing and Mr Dowd have since been fired hurt by love in the situation that you just heard him described there that jailhouse confrontation as for J. Secular. Gentlemen on your right side of your screen here screen in here. He will be representing president trump as one of his defense counsels in the US Senate in the president's impeachment trial speaking of the president and Martin. Hey Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught onslaught of news and take a broader. Look the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. My podcast why is this happening. We're exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the with it I think of it is climate. Change will be the twentieth century. What maternity west of the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations. As you know for the first time in our history at the national level Weitz are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening new episodes? It's every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. We've got one last piece of the left part interview to bring tonight and it is one that I'll tell you in advance. It raises more questions than it answers. The person who can answer those questions is not love however but rather secretary of State Mike Pompeo or perhaps other State Department officials who know about the actions of Secretary Peyot and the State Department at this time when you hear people gnash their teeth about the fact that the administration hasn't handed over any documents to the impeachment investigation that the State Department won't hand over a single document to explain its own role and its own behavior during this scandal. This is why this is an example of why okay one of the mysteries that still lingers from Ukraine scandal is about that smear campaign and that was carried out against the US ambassador to Ukraine Maria von Vich and that smear campaign of course was aimed at getting her removed from the embassy removed from her post ultimately. Millie she was removed. Of course she was told to get on the next plane out. Call one in the morning saying your security risk in the next plane out. That was in in late April. Her departure was announced by the State Department shortly thereafter in terms. That said that it was you know normal and long-planned when it was actually the anything but but in addition to lying about the circumstances of her departure one question that has always nagged about the State Department and the role role of Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo is why the smear campaign was necessary after all if Maria Voinovich was in the way of the president's pressure campaign to get the Ukrainian government government to help him with his re-election effort or if the president was unhappy with her for any other reason for that matter either made up a real. Well he's the president they could just fire her. It could just have recalled from her post. Why did they have to go through this public humiliating drama? Well in my interview with Mr Kearney's told me that president trump tried to fire ambassador Yvonne of it several times and it for some reason didn't work. The president kept firing her and she would leave so we could understand what was going on public information. Then she was removed at the time that she was removed back in the United States at the end of April. You're saying that the president tried to fire her before that she fired. Probably to my knowledge at least four or five times two different he even had a breakdown and screamed. Fire Hurt Madeleine his assistant to secretary before he fired and she said Mr President President. I can't do that. He was directing the State Department to remove her in. The State Department was refusing correct but the basis of your belief that the president had tried to remove Ambassador Multiple Times Senate for some reason didn't work is because you talked to the president about that Buff firing her. I spoke to the president. Wants about that. And we're twice once or twice twice once directly at our dinner when he fired her actually at the dinner which was the most surprising thing ever. I tell me Basically at that dinner we had The conversation there was like six of us there was intimate dinner. It was trump hotel was at the private like a area. There looks like a little White House and the president was there. Oh absolutely yeah it was. It was a president. was there his son John. Junior was there. I don't know how the issue is. The conversation came up but I do remember me telling the president that Nebraska was bad mouthing him and Say he was going to get impeached. Something to that effect and at that point he turned around To John Distefano who was was his Eight at the time and said Fire her and we all there was silence in the room and and he responded to him said Mr President. We can't do that right now. Because POMPEO has been confirmed yet That prepares that confirmed and yet we don't have. This is what Tillerson was gone. POMPEO was confirmed so they go wait till so several conversations that he he mentioned that again I get although although how many times at that dinner once or twice or three times. But he fired her. Several Times reiterated that she should be fired and then he was ordering her to be a couple of things here. I we should say that love Parnis told me in this interview that he no longer actually himself believes that Maria Vich ambassador actually was bad mouthing thing president trump for saying he was going to be impeached he now says he recognizes. That was part of a disinformation campaign. He regrets participating in it even though he believed it at the time he apologized. Just to the embassador my interview with him. We are that last night. He says he regrets believing those things about her and participating in the effort to get her fired the other thing to note here. Oh is that the meeting that Mr Parnasse is describing. He says took place on April thirtieth twenty eighteen and from what he's describing about where the meeting happened in. who was at at that meeting? We believe that there was a meeting of that type. On April thirtieth twenty eighteen at the location that Mister Peres describing on April thirtieth two thousand eighteen Mike Pompeo Hale had in fact been Senate confirmed just a few days before Mike pompeo however had not yet been sworn in officially as secretary of State. So perhaps that was the source of confusion saying we can't do it yet. Mr Pompeo was informally in place yet but aside from that detail. I think it would take aac from Mr Parnassus account there that there was perhaps an expectation in the White House. Perhaps an expectation around the president. That wants Mike. POMPEO was fully in charge at the State Department. Wants is trump. Had His guy in there as secretary of state ambassador ianovich would be fired in the end it would be another year before that actually habit out but that was not the only time he fired her because he fired her at least four. Four other occasions that Rudy Rudy Giuliani went to the White House had conversations with him and then came back and then inform you Victoria Joe about what transpired. He fired her when when he gave an order to Mike Pompeo once which he didn't do secretary prepare them fire than rudy came back and he told them go speak to pump. Ao would you want to speak speak to probation. They got into then. They had another meeting at the White House where he told Bolton to fire her. Bolt on the fire till Pale fire her rudy rudy. got into it with all of them again and then what point he told the. Madeleine's fire her so I mean that was becoming comical because 'cause I couldn't understand you're the president and that's that's one of the things when I say comical it's not more comical but at that point it was more of affirmation to me that there was people against it's the president of the United States if they're not listening to his orders so and that's where I think this smear campaign started coming about. I think it was like a boost to them to to help him. If the media started like egging him on that there was really something there that then he would just tweet and fire. They couldn't get it done through normal channels even with the president himself being involved in those somewhat normal channels and so they started the smear campaign to try to create media agitation against ambassador your image and maybe that would make it possible for the president to evade or allied direct channels and do it with the support of the conservative media. Who would advance this? These claims this fascinating right. According to left Barness the smear campaign a painting it was not meant to convince president trump that she was bad he was already on board with that happy to believe that the smear campaign against the ambassador was meant to help his efforts to fire her. You know maybe. Get Him so riled up he would fire her by tweets. Make it public that way instead of just yelling it out to random people at random meetings and dinners but this narrative also presents us with sort of mixed complicated picture of Secretary of state. Mike pompeo in this scandal I mean on the one hand secretary. pompeo refused to support ambassador Ivanovich publicly when she was being attacked as part of a smear campaign and it was his office that ultimately removed her from her post with no evidence that he actually believed that the State Department actually had any substantial reason. Any real reason to get her out. We also know that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was in contact with Rudy Giuliani. who was running running the whole Ukraine operation including the rich smear campaign including when left Parnasse who was inseparable from Giuliani was exchanging alarming text messages with the Republican Congressional candidate who reported to have ambassador under physical surveillance and appeared to be raising the prospect of some physical harm or intimidation being carried against her? I should also mention that the material love parts turned over to the Intelligence Committee. Includes in the latest batch release last night. These text messages involving Rudy. Giuliani and Victoria tensing of Fox News lawyer working with Giuliani and partisan their scheme to get you fired in these texts about three months before. You've Anivit Ivanovich. One of its was finally recalled. Tensing Asks Giuliani. Quote is their absolute commitment for her her all caps her meaning Yvonne events to be gone on this week. Giuliani response quote. Yes not sure how absolute we'll get a reading in the morning and call you pompeo misspelled. POMPEII POMPEO is now aware of it. Talked to him on Friday the next month the conservative journalist John Solomon wrote to love. Parnassus Victoria ten sing and her husband. Joe Digenova saying that he John Solomon Needed State Department. Help on quote Hunter Biden Contacts. What State Department helped John on Solomon Expect to get? And why did he think love. Partisan friends could get it for him so the State Department runs all of that points points to Mike Pompeo State Department being an ally being part of the team for president trump and his associates on the Ukraine scheme. But it's unclear. I mean you also also have love describing. Mike pompeo is extensively blocking the firing of Marie Ivanovich at several points as late September of last year when National Security Adviser John Bolton left the White White House just as the Ukraine scheme was being exposed texts from Mr Parnell suggested that Mike Pompeo was not in good standing with this Parnis. Writing to a friend quote bolt does out. Pompilio is next with mixed contradictory picture like that. I have a lot of questions for Secretary State Long. Mike Pompeo I imagine impeachment. Investigators do two. We reach out to the State Department for comment both last night and tonight we haven't heard back. Will you know if that changes. But as the president's trial on this scandal gets underway in the Senate a key question about the conduct of the trial is whether Secretary Pompeo. We'll be called under oath to answer questions about what really really is is very very murky role in all of this. We'll be right back. The government accountability the office the GAO is the independent and nonpartisan Federal Agency tasked with helping Congress with investigations in November. The announced that it would analyze whether the trump administration broken any laws when they decided to withhold four hundred million dollars in military aid to Ukraine as part of this effort to pressure Ukraine into announcing investigations nations into Joe Biden. Well Today on the same day that senators officially took their oaths in the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump the GAO released its decision and and they found that yes. The trump administration did break the law when they withheld that money. The finding says in part quote faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute astute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law beat withheld funds for a policy reason which is not permitted under the impoundment. Control Act the withholding was not a programmatic delay we therefore conclude that oem be violated. The law you may remember what the impeachment witnesses mark. Sandy testified that the two officials at resigned during the scandal in part because of their concerns about whether holding up these funds to Ukraine was illegal. It seems their concerns concerns. Were justified love to hear from them. It also means that the Republican talking point that no criminal laws were broken in this impeachment scandal. That is is well and truly dead or it should be more ahead. Stay with us here. We hear you hear a all. 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Lev Parnas breaks silence in exclusive interview with Rachel Maddow

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Lev Parnas breaks silence in exclusive interview with Rachel Maddow

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. MSNBC last night on the eve of the impeachment articles against President trump being conveyed from the the house to the Senate for the start of the Senate trial that will decide whether or not president trump is removed from office last night. The committees that conducted the impeachment investigation added a bonus round to the materials that they plan to convey to the Senate alongside the articles of impeachment. They added new evidence. These newly obtained documents and text messages from a man named Love Parnassus love partners as Soviet-born russian-speaking US US citizen. Who worked closely with President? Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on the scheme in Ukraine which president trump has now been impeached. The scheme to pressure Russia Ukraine into announcing investigations of Vice President Joe Biden and the concurrent use of military aid and visits with US government officials and and other things that the Ukrainian government desperately wanted basically as cudgels to twice tried to force them into announcing those investigations about bite. Well now tonight as the articles of impeachment how been walked over to the Senate by the impeachment managers actually basically right as that was happening. The word the impeachment committees in the House simultaneously to this moment released some additional records from Mr Parnell which have revealed ah yet further information about who was involved in this game and how it worked well today in New York City I met with love and with his lawyer. Joseph Bondi Bondy and so tonight we are going to present this exclusive interview. Mr Parnell has never before spoken in a televised interview. He has not spoken to reporters at all all since his name surfaced in conjunction with the scandal and since he was arrested on October ninth with a one way ticket out of the country Dulles airport he was charged with with federal felony counts for funneling illegal donations to Republican candidates and campaigns. Now Mr Parnasse is under indictment. He is awaiting trial oil in the southern district of New York. He has pled not guilty. He agreed to speak with me today on the condition that his lawyer Joseph Bondi would be seated alongside longside him throughout the interview. That's a condition that I agreed to to be honest because I agreed to that condition. I fully expected that it would be Mr Bondi. The lawyer who did most of the talking in this interview but it did not work out that way Mr Partner as you will see here is absolutely here to speak for himself self and he is more than capable of doing so he and his attorney have made clear in recent days and weeks. That love Parnasse really does want to testify to the impeachment investigation nation. That said I can't stress enough that he right now is out on bond awaiting trial in Federal Court on serious felony charges. So the decision for him to do this interview with me. Today is very unusual people in that circumstance in terms of federal felony charges. Don't typically do media interviews but they agreed to sit down with me today and we did it. Let's get right to it. I will tell you just in advance to set the stage that in this interview you you will hear love. Parnes make some bombshell assertions about the involvement and knowledge of President Trump and vice president mike pence in the Ukraine scandal. He will make a specific allegation about the president's unique role in holding up the US aid to Ukraine as an additional lever of pressure sure against the Ukrainian government you will also hear fairly explosive allegations for Mr Parnasse about attorney. General William Bar. He also makes some allegations about several other members of the cabinet. We'll talk about some of those tonight and we're saving some of those to talk about tomorrow so we can do some additional reporting around them but on top of all of that as Mr Kearney's makes clear right off the bat right at the top of our interview. He knows that in addition to all the things he is telling you tonight and that has been revealed in these documents in conjunction option with the impeachment investigation in addition to all of that. He says he still has yet more to share. All right here we go Mr Parnis barness Bondi. Thank you both for agreeing to do this. I know that this is a leap of trust to speak publicly for the first time next for both to refer to it. Thank you let me ask you. I loved you know that these materials that you had handed over the intelligence committee. We're going to be released publicly last night. It's landed with quite quite a splash. It's very provocative material. Were you aware that it was going to be made public. Though it did it was. It was a very incredible the day I mean there was a godsend that we were able to Joe's help and being able to get there in time because we didn't think we're GONNA make it because we stayed up til they thing to in the morning at transferring over stuff to the house that night and what was the deadline in terms of the time pressure. I mean the joy of the day was trying to get these things to hip see the intelligence committee before the transmission of the articles of impeachment because with the articles go goes the record and we we had reason to believe certain pieces of what we were turning over would be put into the public record. We just weren't sure when that will be. We had no idea what it would be. Let me ask you in terms of what we have seen in what they released publicly. Not Everything was released publicly held back but terms of what we've seen is all look authentic to you. Does any of it seemed to be doctor. Does it at all what you were expecting to see the white handed over. Are you still putting together. More information to give Congress or do you essentially feel that the deadline has pass now that this information is going to the Senate we're going to continue making productions as we get materials from the southern district and anything that we could possibly continue to find our own through the cloud or whatever for it may be going to continue to provide things until we're told not to love. Why do you want to testify to the impeachment investigation? I I WANNA get the truth out Because she'll it's important for our country. I think it's important for me. I think it's important for the world to know exactly what transpired and what happened because I think a lot. There's a lot of things that are being said. That are not accurate and I just WANNA make sure that they're accurate because things it's happened that needs to get out and I think the world needs to know what do you think is the main inaccuracy or the main lie. That's being told that you feel like you can correct. Act that the president didn't know what was going on President trump know exactly what was going on. He was aware of all my movements He wouldn't do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president. I have no one tenth. I have no reason to speak to any of these officials. I mean they have no the reason to speak to me. My presence skis inner circle or Minister of alcohol for all these people. President prochet will meet with me. Who Am I? They were told to meet with me. And that's the secret that they're trying to keep. I was underground doing their work in terms of the president. And what he has said about you he said about you and Mr from any Graffman gentlemen. I don't know about them. I don't know what they do. So you're saying that was not a true statement. President he lied. I mean we're not friends. I mean when you say friends. I mean didn't watch football games together within. He'd hotdogs folks but he know exactly who we were. He knew exactly who I was especially because I interact with them and a lot of events I said a lot of one on one conversations with AH gatherings they have special these roundtables where there'd be only six people at a table. We've had several of those and basically I. I mean I was with really more than four or five days out of the week. I mean I was in contact with them so and I was with Rudy when he would be to the president plenty of times I mean so. It's just look stupid with Mr Julia when he was Giuliani when he was on the phone with the president absolutely. And how would you know that he was on the phone with the president would be on speakerphone several times. It would be a speakerphone where he would start the conversation on speakerphone. And then take it off and then go somewhere sideways. I talk to him but a lot of times. It would be on the golf course when we were golfing together. Especially I remember during the Muller Times where the remember said something that he didn't appreciate it was taken off context and he was screaming at him so allow that so. I watched the impeachment and I saw testimony about the Sutherland that I read. Ah I understand that you could hear president trump talking next to like. I heard him several times when he was because he speaks loudly until very loudly. When you say that the president knew about your movements and knew what you were doing are you saying specifically I want to sort of drill down on that that the president was aware that you and Mr Giuliani were working on this effort in Ukraine to basically try to hurt Joe Biden's political career? He knows about that. Joe Biden written out to Biden and Also Rudy had a personal thing with the manafort stuff. The Black Ledger. That was another thing that they were looking looking into but it was never about the corruption was never strictly about The BARISTA which included Hunter Biden Joe Biden. It's all about the Biden's it was never about corruption. Strictly about Joe Biden under Biden in terms of the involvement of the president. Here Mr Partis went one out of his way to note to assert that not only was president trump aware of what he and Mr Giuliani were doing on his behalf in Ukraine. Trying to gin up this investigation to hurt Joe Biden. Mr Parnassus says the fact that he was working for president trump is a point that was made explicitly over and over again in a very formal way in his dealings in his meetings in Ukraine. Your attorney told the Federal Court in New York that you were both Rudy Giuliani's clients and you were working for Mr Giuliani in his capacity. Pasadena's personal attorney to the president worked which by the transit of property makes. It seem like you were working for. The president of the United States is legal defense news absolutely and so did did anybody in the US. Government or Mr Giuliani actually convey to officials in Ukraine that you were there as a representative of president trump absolutely every to Each one of those officials that the I the on the phone with Mr Volchkov Minister Volkov several times Yvonne Pecan off Aw You're really at the time was the general. The first thing I did this to introduce myself and tell them I'm here on behalf of really Giuliani beyond the president of the United States. And I'd like to put you on speakerphone for you. Know to confirm which we did we put you on. The phone rudy relate to him basically that we were there on behalf of the president of the United States. And you were there to speak on president. Trump's behalf exhibited those exact words. Mr Parnasse says that when he was taking meetings to advance this scheme taking meetings with various government officials in Ukraine he says it was a regular occurrence. It was the way those meetings started. He would put rudy. Giuliani on phone on the speakerphone in the room and he would say explicitly. Mr Giuliani would say explicitly that as the president's personal attorney he could affirm that left Parnis. was there air at that meeting. In Ukraine to speak on behalf of the President of the United States Donald Trump in May of last year may twenty nineteen. Mr Giuliani started speaking with reporters about his plans to travel himself to Ukraine to try to enlist the Ukrainian government's assistance to help hoped his client president trump. Basically in his re-election effort he said he was going to Ukraine to try to get them to announce investigations into Vice President Biden because that would be very very helpful to his client in the resulting firestorm of criticism. Mr Giuliani's trip was called off in May when he called off the trip. Mr Giuliani Johny made public statements. Criticizing the new government of Ukraine saying that Ukraine's new president was surrounded by enemies of the United States and for Ukraine that it was a really big deal right Ukraine. A country at war with Russia is a country very much dependent on both the reality and the perception of their having strong support from the United States government. And so when Mr Giuliani as the president's personal attorneys started making public claims the new Ukrainian president was surrounded by enemies of the United States of America. That's why he wasn't going to Ukraine at that point. The Ukrainian government kind of freaked out that kind of criticism from the new administration for their new new president in Ukraine. And that's a potential death sentence for their country so at the time that happened left part was in Ukraine in Kiev. At the time all of that happened and he told me today that he was tasked by Rudy Giuliani in that moment to crank up the pressure on the government of Ukraine to make even more insistent and obvious is an even more onerous this threat and this demand that Ukraine must announce investigations into Joe Biden. Or else it. Did you meet with Ukrainian official name. Sergei Schaefer Circuit Schaefer is a very senior aide to presidents Alinsky. It has been reported as far as we understand from public reporting that you conveyed to Mr Schaffer. The exact quid pro bowl that you wanted Celeski Alinsky to announce investigations into Joe Biden or military aid would not be released to Ukraine. Is that accurate. It was a little bit more than that Aw Basically The message that that was supposed to die gave Sergei Schaefer was a very harsh message that was told to be to give it to him in a very harsh way. A not in a pleasant way to give it to harshly mayor Guiliani Rudy told me After a meeting the president the White House he called me. His message was wasn't just military. It was all eight. Basically the relationships would be sour. You would stop giving him any kind of aid that unless that there was an announcement made several several demands at that point a the most important one is the announcement of the bite. Ministration did you also convey convey to him that the US government would stop showing support for mistress Alinsky. They wouldn't attend the inauguration those that was the biggest thing. Actually that was the that was the main Wasn't because at that time you have to understand the way you create now is for presents alinsky winning on that platform being a young president and not really having any experience the number one end being at war with Russia at the time the number one thing for them was not even eight and I know it sounds crazy but it was more of a support for the president resident by having a White House. Visit by having a big inauguration by having all the dignitaries there that was the key and at that time There were already aware because of their Conversations with the I guess what the embassy that President Vice President Pence was supposed to come to the inauguration was already discussed and they were replanning and now they were just working on days. That would be good for him at our meeting. I was very very heated. Conversation from our part to him. Basically telling What needs to be done? I mean basically me and at the at the at in the conversation. I told him that if he doesn't the announcement it was the key at that time because of the nation the pence would not show up. Nobody would show up to his inauguration unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials Dell's particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to do so the day after that meeting that you had on the twelfth. Aw I believe it was the following day that in fact vice-president pence is a visit to the inauguration was cancelled after my phone. Call the conversation conversation that I laid out to. Mr Schaffer was basically what I was told to do. By Giuliani of the president. And then afterwards I relate back to them saying that he's going to get back to me later tonight and we're supposed to meet then around eight o'clock or nine o'clock at night. I texted back against saying any word. What's the situation and at that point Because because I'm what's up you could see when the person this connects you and he disconnected me. Our conversation he basically me and I understood that that was a no so so I called back and said no go and he I remember going. Okay they'll see and basically the next day pets To to my awareness trump called up and said to make sure go there. So you believe that Mister Peres trip to the inauguration was cancelled because they didn't agree hundred stations. Because there's other the chain of events that that was the key to what where we are today because after that what. Let's take a look at what transpires expires next. Within the next couple of days all of a sudden they realized that now they get word because obviously when pence cancel as they get word that pets is was that coming so now they realized that that was telling me is true now they realize when I was threatening them on behalf of the White House that if they didn't announced the Biden investigation that vice president pence wouldn't come to the inauguration. They realize now when pence in fact cancelled his trip to the inauguration when I said he would they knew why was legit. It's essentially what he's saying. Well if the line there that he quotes Mr Giuliani saying okay. They'll see like bell. See what they get for telling you know when when you demanded those investigations they'll see and in fact vice. President pence does cancel his trip to the inauguration within twenty four house. But for Mr Mr Parnis. That was a key moment for him in terms of being able to continue to work on this effort in Ukraine with credibility because because Mike Mike Pence canceling strip to the inauguration was the validating moment it made clear to the government of Ukraine at the highest levels. This is a senior aide to the new. The president this made clear to them at the highest levels that Love was legitimately representing the president of the United States. And the White House in this shakedown. So vice president. Mike Pence has his plan trip to the inauguration cancelled after you're were unable to get the Ukrainian government to commit to announcing investigations Vice President Biden. Do you know if vice president pence was aware that that was the quid pro while the that was the trade and that that in fact is why his inaugural visit was called off when the US Famous quote but Mississauga. Everybody was in the loop. You believe that Vice President Pence knew what he was knew that his trip to the inauguration was contingent on those investigations being announced again. I mean I know. He went to Poland also to discuss this trump's behalf so he couldn't have not known. Let me let me ask you about so. That's after the inauguration September first vice president pence goes to Poland and actually takes a meeting with with presidents Alinsky of Ukraine one of the unusual the wall revelations we've had since the impeachment investigations was a defense department email that was made public through a freedom of information. Act lawsuit that Defense Department emails from the Chief of staff to the defense secretary. He tells somebody else at the Pentagon. Don't worry about it this Ukraine. I'm paraphrasing this Ukraine aid. Problem is all going to be sorted as soon as vice president pence meets President Zilenski in in Poland on September first. That should clear this up. Do you understand why a Defense Department somebody working in the Secretary of defense is office. Might have believed that about that meeting. I understand what was going on. So it makes sense to me because What was transpiring was every time like I said to you at every meeting? Either Giuliani or I would have or somebody or somebody. From the trump's a government would have with the Ukrainians. They would always agree that they were GonNa make some sort of that. They were on board that they're going to make announcement and then they would walk back. So after certain instances trump was supposed to meet him. President trump was supposed to meet As Alinsky in Poland himself but then he used the excuse the hurricane but it wasn't because of the hurricane that was because he was angry alinsky still make any attempt or effort to make an announcement before he was going to meet him and he wants to know that was an excuse. And that wasn't the real reason because I spoke to me would talk to me too. I mean we spoke about this every day. I mean everything that was going on was discussed discussed between me. Victoria Rudy the team so president president trump is supposed to go he decides not to Vice President Pence sensitive instead and Basically he was supposed to go there and get it straightened out. That Alinsky was supposed to make another announcement and that didn't happen. And that's on Bolton secretary went over there and I think he has a lot to say. I'm not going to talk. I think he's a key witness to his conversation association with Dolinsky when he came back and why he left or got fired. Or however you want to look at the let me make sure I understand what you're saying. When Vice President Pence went one over there on September first again in president trump stead? You believe or you have reason to believe that. Vice President Pence was tasked at that meeting with getting presidents Solanki to announce investigations of Joe Biden specifically. and to tell him that they wouldn't get their eight until they know exactly what he was. The it was all presentation. Yeah like I said. The aid itself was something that I think the president decided to do. What's it called but it was? I think a reaction into that there was no announcement being made after so many attempts so many promises so holding the aid was the president's own sort of innovation to to to add to leverage. Is it happened to the pressure that people like you or the vice president and Mr Giuliani and everybody else involved in. This effort was putting on the Ukrainian government. When when you say that Mr Bolton may have things to say about this did Mr Bolton know that Vice President Pence was supposed to secure that agreement from Zilenski that he'd announced these investigations? I don't exactly what Mr Bell. Nobody noticeable was family involved in the loop because of the firing of marie-yvonne rich also also would be his interactions with usually any. They started butting heads and he was not agreeing it was I mean from Venezuela Taylor to Ukraine Bolton than agree with Giuliani on Way of dealing with it so there was tension there. There was there. Were definitely but you believe he knows what the administration was pressuring Ukraine to do Bolton hundred percent. mm-hmm knows what happened. Love Parks and an exclusive interview with me today in New York City We've contacted vice president pence his office for comment tonight on this allegation that his visit to the Zilenski inauguration was canceled because Ukrainian officials wouldn't announce investigations into Joe Joe Biden also the allegation that Vice President Pence was tasked with getting that commitment about announcing these investigations in his follow. Up visit where he did meet with presidents Alinsky skin September first in Poland. We have asked for comment from Mike. Pence's office on on those matters. We have not yet heard that you know if that changes for his part of course national security. The adviser John Bolton has made clear that he would testify to the Senate and impeachment trial if subpoenaed to do so he has made public remarks to the effect that he has relevant information Asian about the impeachment investigation that he knows things that other people don't know in terms of the president and this allegation from Mr Parnasse. The president explicitly authorized Mr Parnell to act on his behalf in Mr Kearney's interactions with Ukrainian officials. That that Mr Giuliani explicitly told Ukrainian officials that on the authority of the president of the United States. They should listen to Mr Parnasse essentially as a spokesperson for the President President that he was conveying the full authority of the President's legal representation this allegation for Mister Peres. In addition that the president was fully aware of and involved in all of his efforts parts to push Ukraine to announce these investigations. We have asked the White House for comment on Mr Parnassus remarks tonight. We have not yet heard back again. We will let touching off that changes but next here comes the part about them going after Ambassador Maria von stay with us. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office purpose US STAMPS DOT COM instead stamps dot com brings all the services of the post office to you plus stamps dot com. Gives you something you can't get at the post office. 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This is your handwriting gifts for these notes from a meeting at which other people were present or were these your notes taken from a a conversation phone conversation that you're having with somebody else. This phone conversation musician having with Mr Giuliani and basically discussing certain things that because after that had a conversation with somebody this Alinsky team you guys making milk for myself. What was important to get and you were in Vienna at the time so this I know gets alinsky to announce that the the Biden case will be investigated? That's Mr Giuliani tasking. You that you should get that commitment from Solanki those always the main objective correct. That was always the main objective. Get them to announce they were investigating. Joe Biden it's love speaking with me today in New York City. One of the many dark hearts of this impeachment scandal is the virulent and scurrilous and ultimately successful effort to get the US ambassador to Ukraine fired. Ambassador Awesome Maria. Vich left. Parnes told me today a lot about that effort including at one point apologizing for and expressing regret but also made crystal clear why Ivanovich Donovan was targeted. The way she was. Do you believe that part of the motivation to get rid of Ambassador to get her out of post was because she was in the way of this effort to get the government of Ukraine to announce investigations of Joe Biden. That was the only embassador ianovich was in fact targeted by love partisan Rudy Giuliani and president trump and others involved in this effort to get her out of post. Get her out of the way of a bogus. Joe Biden investigation effort. Well our public understanding of that campaign which was conducted allegedly for that purpose Our public understanding of that campaign against her took a very dark turn last night when information. That left-arm turned over to impeachment. Investigators revealed menacing text messages from a Republican congressional candidate named Robert Hyde. Who appeared in these texts to be reporting in to love? Parnis about surveillance of ambassador. Vich asking love if he wanted her out and purporting to have a contact inside her security team. Who could facilitate such thing? I asked left Parnasse about those menacing and text messages today. He told me that he did not take Robert. Hyde seriously. Either in general or in relation to those messages he agreed that the messages were disturbing. But says he never believed Mr Hyde's assertions about this purported surveillance norte believe that ambassador Ianovich was in actual danger much. Who is Robert Hide? He's he's he's unique. He's just he's I don't even know how not explain them. He's you can say whatever you can bleep you if you need the. He's a weird character. He's he's a weird individual. You met him where I met. Intimate Trump told yes trump pluto. He was a regular at the bar. So we now have your text messages with Mr Hyde. That not get into some very dark territory when it comes down. Why did at least from the string of text messages that we've seen it seems that it sort of starts at least what what we've got? Is You texting him. What appears to be Anti Ivanovich information to work? Why are you sending a Mexican Tex? They're not go to the beginning of our TEX. This was just the what's up stuff which was very little but rubber hide was like I don't WanNa say a hang hang around because he did know Like all these He didn't know the president and he didn't know Rudy Giuliani. But he did know like McCarthy he know Roger Stone he knew all these because because it was like a breeding ground that the trump hotel so every event would be there so everybody would hang out there afterwards. Everybody all the meetings would be there. So it's basically you would see the same people woah. Every day or the same congressman that supported the president would be there and nobody else so he was a fixture on site he was always there and he was always draw struck up enough of a relationship check with them to be texting with him. It was more eager. Had more relationship with them. He was He he just couldn't speak with the or so he would Texas because they were like at. Ah Usually at after we were done for the night you know he. The bar scene was happening and I don't drink but so they would hang out and have a drink at the bar so let me ask. I mean the the the text message that he sends to you about ambassador. IANOVICH are disturbing. What is the context of these text? Exchanges he appears to be giving you very specific information about the ambassadors movements about her location about her security situation call so the B word over over and over again. It's very hostile to her and seems to be monitoring her whereabouts. What why did those exchanges happen? What was he trying to tell you? I don't believe he was either drunk or he's was trying to make himself bigger than there was so I didn't take it seriously and I was trying to if you see. I didn't even respond to most of the time. And if I did it was like something. Lowell or okay. Oh great or something like that. Just because I wouldn't respond for a long time I am and then I didn't want him to get rowdy if I saw him next time and say well. Why didn't you type response? I would just amuse him until eventually as you can see them off because what happened is when he sent me. Those I got disturbed served. I was like Whoa. This is crazy. 'cause this guy off the wall so I called up I think it was Joey hearn. Who was My contact that the SUPERPAC America first that knew of him also because he all the all the donors and I asked my because as I said what is this guy off the reason. He told me that. Stay away from him because because he's just got into something with. I think Greg Pence Mike Pence his brother and Thinking that the secret services after him and somebody wants to kill illumine the. I don't know exactly what happened. But that was my once once. He started texting me that relationship the texts where he was supposedly reporting on the whereabouts went on for a week. It wasn't like one drunk. Night correspondent for seven days couldn't have been drunk the whole time. She's struck the whole time. He wakes up and he starts at six. I mean I've never seen a mud drum so you thought that this was ham making it up. You didn't believe he actually had the ambassador under surveillance. I asked Mr Parnell several times over the course of our interview. If those text messages from Robert Hyde indicated the real threat to ambassador IANOVICH. I asked him about it as many different angles. I could come up with. I was insistent and asking. He was adamant in his response. So it's clear that you didn't take Mr Hyde seriously. In terms of the factual claims that it was making. But are you clear clear on whether or not there was ever an actual physical threat or a threat of personal intimidation against ambassador vantage over for my side or anybody. I know you didn't worry that she was actually in physical danger number number. Because you didn't believe Mr Hyde believe we contacted attorneys Ernie's from Basseterre Yvonna vich tonight to to let them know about these statements from Mr Parnis about this possible threat to their client They are not commenting tonight. But we've got more ahead including what ends up being a very difficult conversation about the attorney general of the United States. William Bar it. Hey It's Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. Amai podcast why is this happening exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. 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One of the weird things for me over the past few months. Is that right at the time. The House announced impeachment proceedings against President. Trump I right right then. That week was publishing a book called Blowout About the oil and gas industry in the book I used the story that I thought was an interesting sidebar story about a natural gas tycoon named Dimitri for Tash. I used him in my book as the vehicle to tell one story of how how. Russia was deliberately corrupting countries like Ukraine. That they wanted to keep in their orbit and they were using energy to do so and then as the book was coming out none other than Dimitri Tash was revealed to be one of the forces at work in this corruption scheme in Ukraine to try to smear vice president Joe Biden and and fire the US ambassador and withhold US aid to that country and hurt them in their fight against Russia. And the whole thing it was just it was uncanny was totally unintentional. On my part it was like a little bit of like Academic News World Car-crash but now today the Dmitri for Tash factor here has at at least become a little less mysterious Dmitri for tash like left Parnasse. The man who I interviewed today is under Federal Indictment Mr for Tasha's Casey's in under indictment on multiple serious felony corruption charges. He's fighting extradition to the United States is currently under house arrest in Vienna federal prosecutors in the for Tash case have called called him an upper echelon associate of Russian organized crime. The reason I say this got a little less mysterious. Today's that in my interview with love Parnasse this afternoon in New York City. He's spelled out. Basically what this oligarch Dmitry for Tash was doing in the middle of this impeachment scandal with Rudy Giuliani and the Fox. News Friendly Attorneys Victoria tensing and JOE DIGENOVA and how it alternately brings us to the desk of the Attorney General of the United States William Bar so at some point we had a meeting at our in their bealty office on the second floor and and at the trump hotel and at that meeting with Rudy and Victoria Jo. John brought up saying that he had some You've incredible information from the camp which later we found out there was I. Think Lenny Davis gave it to him but it was Basically what A show that Andrew Weisman was doing some legal stuff and offering some deal and acted blow up the smaller invasive. Investigation up the Kazoo you. Can I stop you there for a second. So the the allegation is you understood. It was that Andrew Weisman one of the prosecutors working on the team had made an had had the interaction with Dmitry for Tasha's under indictment by the Justice Department. He's fighting extradition here and that interaction. Mr Solomon is saying would be something scandalous that would discredit. The Mall are investigating so we were test. Basically with tried to establish relationship and specifically to get information to try to discredit them all Arna station absolutely. Yeah and Basically we went to. I was given certain documents by Josh. Solomon that would validate to Dimitri fear that I was in the loop and I knew what was going on because Mr Fierce gentleman. That just doesn't see anybody and that's you know a possible to even get to meet with them for us to be able to receive information from us. We had to promise fear to something. So for fear Tisch it was basically totaling that we knew his case was is worthless here and that he's being prosecuted for no reason. That's a that that basically it could get taking in care of the offers. Mr Fix this prosecution. If you've you're you're extradition case correct. Yes so that was basically the situation. We shouldn't At that point so the exchange with mister fear Tash was going to be. You provide us information that will be detrimental to public perception of the investigation And we in turn will get your case dropped at DOJ. So you won't get extradited to the United States anymore Mr Digenova and MS tensing saying we're going to become his lawyers to effectuation this trait correct and you were supposed to broker this correct. And what's this one hundred thousand dollars a month That was a expenses for them. Because you were supposed to negotiate a correct interaction tip that mine is not in there. That was they. Were getting a million dollars. Plus one hundred thousand dollars a month on expenses on mine was two hundred thousand. And what is this. What's that next line in the founder Barista Ukraine and Ukraine and a Barista? What are you supposed to be getting from about Burris mine in the Ukraine letter from this from Lanny Davis and Mister fear touch supposedly job Solomon said that he just case about that? So that's why this was all one conversation with the announcing the Biden investigation and talking about getting fear Tash off. From this Justice Department prosecution they were connected. It was all connected. It was at the end of the day at the it was all the agenda was to make sure that the Ukrainians announced the Biden investigation so a conservative journalists. John Solomon and to Fox News Lawyers. Joe Digenova in Victoria tensing and Rudy Giuliani and left. Parties are all involved in Mr par telling. In an effort to enlist the help of a billionaire Kremlin connected allegedly mobbed up oligarch to help them pressure Ukrainian government that they must announce investigations of Joe Biden and the Oligarch and his team tells this Motley crew true that he can help them with that with getting that from the Ukrainian government he can also help them. Discredit the Muller investigation. They say that'll be great. What we have to offer you? You wouldn't exchange as we can help stop you from being extradited to the United States to face felony corruption charges from the Department of Justice Washington. Post just just this afternoon reports that Mr Giuliani's involvement with mister fear Tasha. Mr Tasha's team appears to be an ongoing concern. That appears to be live love partners said today that his group's advocacy to get the case. Dropped against Mr Fair. Tash did go all the way to attorney. General William Bar and Dan. He says that Attorney General Bar was more widely read in on what they were doing. Did you ever meet with or speak with or have any interactions with Attorney General William Liam Bar. I personally did not speak to but I was involved in Lots of conversations that Jody John had with them in front. The me with them in front of me and setting up meetings with Dimitri fear tissues. Thima was involved in that. Do you know if Mr Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr Your Bar specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigations into Joe Biden. Absolutely Mr Bar knew about that. Mr Bar took zone everything I mean. It's impossible it rudy. Giuliani tell you. He'd spoken to the attorney. General specifically about Ukraine Giuliani in Victoria. Joe Or they're oh best friends I mean bar was general bar was basically the team. When President Trump and presidents Alinsky alinsky spoke in July? We know from the White House note so the call that president trump told that he should contact William Bar about these investigations. Negations that he wanted him to do including into Joe Biden correct. That struck a lot of people as strange attorney general bar purportedly upset and didn't know why he would have been mentioned in this context but it sounds like it makes sense to you that absolutely because We we know about the derm investigation and that was going to be part of. I mean that the Attorney General Bar want to get to the bottom of the bite and stuff and everything like that. I think he might have got upset. That trump talked about the president's. The House ousted him. Maybe he didn't want to be in the public like he was doing but it was known internally that he was investigating the investigators. Do you know if a attorney generally embar ever spoke with any Ukrainian officials. I don't recall at this moment. I'd have to look at my text messages and see contacted the Justice Department for comment on Mr Parnassus remarks tonight. spokeswoman Kerekou pack the Justice Department when did give us a response. It is a two word response. I guess technically one number and one word. She told US quote one hundred percent false and we could attribute that to her. We appreciate the comment. Be Right back. Stay with us today. The impeachment articles were conveyed from the US House post to the US Senate. Senate trial is due to formally start tomorrow One of the awkward revelations in this saga is that while the Intelligence Committee and the house was leading the the investigation of the impeachment scandal. It emerged that the top Republican member of Congress on that committee Congressman Devin. Nunes of California appeared himself to have been connected to the people involved in the scandal and potentially to the scandal itself because congressman newness has been publicly very vague and defensive about whether he remembers any of his own communications with love during the time. This Ukraine scheme was underway. I asked Mr Parnell today if he remembers. Any interactions with congressman respond units. Do you know Congressman Devin newness. You say what's been your relationship with him. We don't have too too much of a relationship. We met several times at the trump hotel But our relationship started getting basically were expanded was when I was introduced to his aid der Carvey and the reason why Dr Carr was more MARV I understood. I was told at times because never knew. He has just had an ethics subject to the with the next ethics committee and he could be the spotlight. He was kind of shunned a little bit and and that he was looking into this Ukraine. Still want to help out and Devin you. They gave me their carvey to with. You told Mr Harvey what you and Mr Giuliani Alani. Were working on a new T. Ukraine trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigators aware of everything. He already knew that by the time he talked to you. Information over the do you believe he'd gotten information. Nation from Mr Giuliani thing. I think that they that Certain like I said there was other people doing like this up research or whatever. I don't know what you call it but it was coming from different Sides given that interaction that you just described with Congressman Nunez than his eight Mr Harvey. Does it strike you as unusual or inappropriate that Devon Nunez would be one of the elite investigators into the scandal on the House Intelligence Committee. He's obviously the top Republican on that committee. I was in shock when I was watching the hearings and when I saw Devon sitting up there and then there was a picture where they're carvey was back over there sitting I text my attorney said I can't believe this is happening because is They were involved in getting all the stuff on Biden. I mean they're carvey had several interviews skype interviews with deaf. The different prosecutors like Mazaar. How did ski? Which is the anti corruption prosecutor of Ukraine Cool Kostyantyn? Kulik was one of the major. You guys had this whole bite and stuff so it was. It's hard to see the live like that when you know. It's like that scary. Because you know he he was sitting there and making all these statements that when he he knew very well that he knew what was going on. Here what's happening in those Congressman Devin. Nunes is the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee. Which is the committee that investigated the Ukraine scandal left says that Mr Nunez and his top staffer were actually involved in the Ukraine scandal? In the sense that they were involved in the effort to try to gin up a corruption scandal for Joe Biden in Ukraine. Mr Par says he helped them in that effort. We contacted attacked congressman. Nunez's Office for comment. Tonight we did not receive any reply before airtime. We'll let you know if that changes before we're off the air moorhead stay with us. You raise the issue of ambassador to President Trump telling him that he should get rid of her yes. I didn't take my exact words if I told you. uh-huh told them that she's badmouthing. She's saying bad things about them. Do you actually believe that she did not mouth and say bad things about him or do you think this is part of this disinformation campaign to make her look that. I don't don't believe in that so I want to apologize to her. Because at that point I believe I don't believe it now after reevaluating seeing everything that transpired looking at the documentation documentation again. I did not expect that left. PARNASSE would want to use this interview today to apologize to ambassador. Maria Vich for his role in the effort to smear her and get her or fired but he did that. The broader context. Mr Parnell was just talking about there is what he says was a personal interaction. He had with President trump in which he says he witnessed president trump personally ordering the firing of Maria Vich. We'll have more on that in part two of the left part of the interview tomorrow night. We'll also have more for you tomorrow night. I want Mr Parnes alleged about alleged today about former Energy Secretary Rick Perry and current Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo we're doing a little more reporting on those allegations and claims were looking in fact at some of the new information that bolsters Mr Parnassus case which was just released tonight by the Intelligence Committee so again more on that tomorrow in part two of this interview I do actually just before I go want to bring you some news that we just got moments ago while we have been on the air tonight just within the past couple of minutes we got a response monce from former New York City mayor. Rudy Giuliani to something. Mr Parnasse told us in today's interview. You saw Mr Parnasse say on the air that Giuliani had made introductions for him with Ukrainian Indian officials in which he said he told the Ukrainian officials that Mr Parnasse spoke as a representative of president trump. Mr Giuliani tonight denied to us that he ever ever did that. Asked whether Mr Parnasse was speaking on behalf of the president in Ukraine mayor. Giuliani told US tonight. 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Of course all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway on a consequential Wednesday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. One thousand nine hundred eighty one of the trump administration two hundred ninety three days away from the twenty twenty presidential election and another history making day in Washington this was however a bad night for Donald Trump as the speaker of the the house. Put it earlier today. This is as serious as it gets. The House has now turned over the two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump to the US Senate House House. Democrats also released. Even more material collected from an indicted fix her. For trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and to be fair. This explosive material from left. Parnasse mountains of potential evidence has been dribbled out without fanfare or explanation from the house. Democrats macron's on the Intel Committee and tonight the source of that new evidence. Mr Parnell spoke exclusively with Rachel Motto to tell his story great for the first time in what we learned was only part one of their interview. What do you think is the main inaccuracy or the main lie? That's being told that you feel like you can correct that. The president didn't know what was going on. President trump know exactly what was going on. He was aware whereas all my movements He I wouldn't do anything without the consent. The Rudy Giuliani or the president. I have no intent. I have no reason to speak to any any of these officials. They have no reason to speak to me. Why would president skis? Inner Circle or Minister of alcohol for all these people or president. I will meet with me. Who Am I? They were told to meet with me. And that's the secret that they're trying to keep. I was on the ground doing their work in terms of the president. What he has said about you He said about you Mr from anywhere from and I don't know those gentlemen I don't Oh no about them. I don't know what they do. You're saying that was not a true statement from the president he liked Pino exactly who we were. He knew exactly who I was especially because I interacted interacted with them and a lot of events artist has turned over a trove of documents and phone records and text messages and photos to the house related to the work he and rudy were doing in Ukraine. Apparently in the name of and at the direction of the White House last night investigators released some of that evidence. It's including a note about the Ukraine president and investigations into the Biden's a letter from Giuliani to the same president requesting a meeting and text hinting. That are former. US Ambassador to Ukraine was being surveilled monitored hundreds of new pages of documents from Parnasse. Where released just tonight they? They include documents. That seem to refer to efforts by Parnasse Giuliani to assure you cranium presidents Alinsky. There's July third text in their from harnessed that reads quote trying to get us. MR Z on July. Twenty six Giuliani respond. Saying good news on Celeski we note that is one day after that align twenty-fifth phone call with trump a few months earlier February of last year Giuliani texts about talking to Secretary of State. Mike pompeo apparently apparently about then ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich Conservative lawyer. Victoria tenzing asks him is their absolute commitment for. I heard a begun. This week Giuliani replies. Yes not sure. How absolute will get a reading in the morning and call you palm peyot misspelled? How old is now aware of? It talked to him on Friday. Well Tonight Rachel maddow show asked directly about the push to investigate Biden and what he was asked to tell. Ukrainian officials message was wasn't just military. All basically the relationships would be sour. You were that we would stop giving him any kind of aid that there was an announcement made several demands at that point a the the most important one is the announcement of the by the medication. I told him that if he doesn't the announcement was the at that time because of the inauguration unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to the ones supposed to make another announcement and that didn't happen. And that's in Bolton secretary you went over there and I think he has a lot to say. I'm not gonNA talk. I think he's a key witness to his conversation with Dolinsky and when he came back and why he left or got fired or however you want to look at that but you believe he knows what the administration was pressuring Ukraine to do Bolton percent today the New York Times reports sports the former national security advisor intends to reveal some of what he knows about trump and Ukraine in his upcoming book as all this as surfacing surfacing the Senate now has the articles of impeachment and is about to begin the trial of Donald Trump for high crimes and misdemeanors Speaker Pelosi formerly signed the resolution to officially transmit the documents late. This afternoon that was followed by the formal ritual of the impeachment managers walking the charges against trump Over to the Senate side of the Capitol Pelosi name those seven managers this morning. They are again congressman. Adam Schiff representative. Jerry Nadler's Zoa lofgren Hakeem Jeffries. Jason Crowe Val demings and Sylvia Garcia senators will be sworn in as jurors tomorrow by the Chief Justice Justice proceedings are expected to get underway in earnest. Next Tuesday January twenty one same day. The president is scheduled to attend the Economic Comic Forum in Davos Switzerland and the fight over whether there will be witnesses is far from over this morning. Republican lawmakers were once again criticizing sizing speaker Pelosi's decision to hold onto these articles of impeachment for almost four weeks. Now she offered up this response to those who have questioned combat move time has revealed many things. Time has been our friend in this because has yielded incriminating donating evidence more truth into the public domain. which brings us to our leadoff conversation on this Wednesday night where we start out by covering covering the hill the White House and the Law Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Washington Post moderator of Washington Week on PBS Anita Kumar White House correspondent and associate editor at Politico and here in New York Joyce fancy a US attorney who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor a good evening and welcome to you? All I beg your patience as I hit our favorite in house counsel here with a couple right off the top Joyce in normal times would we have seen a special prosecutor appointed this afternoon. This is a mountain of potential evidence. Yes absolutely if not earlier we need to have a special counsel. Why is that because it's clear that Bill Bar can't conduct a criminal investigation about a matter that he is perhaps involved in and certainly would be a witness in impeachment is only about the president there criminal charges here only special counsel can get to the bottom of that? Is there a chance danced. This interview tonight was so shocking that combined with how Numb we have grown mentions of the attorney general the vice president and the mountain mountain of evidence against the president and Giuliani. If Mr Parnasse is telling the truth and can back it up this is monumental stuff you know it is on the one hand we have to be cautious everything that Mr Parnell who is someone who is under indictment everything that he says has to be corroborated but at the same time it is very consistent with testimony that we have heard from other witnesses. In some cases it seems to fill in blanks. And something thing that impressed me was when it came to these allegations rather the text messages from Robert Hyde about the surveillance and perhaps threat to ambassador. IANOVICH Donovan which would not go there and he said no that. I knew that he wasn't a real that I think builds his credibility if he was making everything up he would have agreed need that as well but he put the brakes on. He used a double negative in fact when describing Mr Hyde said. I've never seen him when he wasn't drunk. And that was notable additionally finally to say who am I why would these people. That's the opposite of a claim of grandiosity that you sometimes guests get with big big level witnesses there. These little moments with witnesses that help juries decide whether or not to believe them and it's an informal moment like that Out where he's sort of puts out his hands wildwood they meet with man. That's very credible. Robert Costa covering the hill this relentless search for dirt on the Biden's and now this witness tonight Joyce's right. If corroborated the evidence he reeled off against the President Rudolph Guiliani Liani mentions of the vice president the Attorney General. There's more tomorrow night Devon Nunez came in for mentions tonight how how many Republicans have texted you back tonight. And what are they saying my paper and the my story in the newspaper today The Washington Post and my whole day was spent at at the the Senate talking to Senate Republicans and their advisors and allies and this is a significant development hours after the articles of impeachment or formerly moved from one chamber. Are you now have Senate Republicans looking ahead to a negotiation over a rules package and a witness agreement was Senate Democrats. We've we've always heard so far about Hunter Biden in exchange perhaps for Basseterre Bolton. That's what Senator Cruz has been articulating behind the scenes. Now you have loved Parnets and Democrats and perhaps some Republicans could be interested in the coming days as the rules are negotiated for Senate trial to have Mr Parnasse come forward and be Witness in this Senate Trial Anita is the White House in your talks with sources. They're speaking realistically adjusting their thinking thinking realistically to the very real possibility of witnesses. While they're still saying to us that they believe in the end this will be a short short trial and they think that they have the upper hand because they don't want to go down this road. If Democrats have witnesses than Republicans have witnesses and they just nobody wants all lease witnesses to come forward so they are still feeling pretty good but you know. The president has been frustrated now for weeks as the speaker has held up the articles and She says she's gained some leverage. Some of this information is coming out. It's frustrating to the president because You know he wants to get this over with and for say sleep for the reason. The speaker said more information is coming out and every piece that comes out drags it out further. There's a possibility of witness. There's a possibility that some of the Republicans could turn on him so every day that this is delayed and hasn't gone forward is not a good day for him and so you are talking to people close to the president are people that the president talked to. There is that frustration and has been now for weeks. Joyce fans noting that you teach law school Give us a lesson in procedure here and how this works Mr Parnis. Ns has been indicted and is being investigated by the justice. Department's New York Office Southern District of New York. How then does this material from his phone and files a mountain of it? Make its way down to the Intel Committee of the House. How then without fanfare or press conference number missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity? Does this kind of a controlled leak find. Its Way to US worse. Still knee deep in documents. Going through what we have here so this was actually not a leak that this was an official sanction process where Parnell's attorney asked for permission to turn material over received permission to turn it over and you know so when the FBI doesn't image save a cell phone. That's just a big raw piece of data that you get back some work cast be done to make it usable and that is then what we saw Arnesen. His attorney work very quickly as we heard. Rachel say to turn that over so that it would. It'd be part of the record that the house transmitted to the Senate wants. The House transmitted the articles of impeachment. That record was closed so there is apparently a rush at the end to include this material in the record that the Senate can consider if it chooses to look at the evidence and I heard put tonight that it's a further of benefit. NFL Mr Parnell. That he has not had these devices in his possession for weeks. If not months there's been no ability on his part to go back and correct or delete things that's right at least that's technically correct. There's no reason to believe that those devices would not have been secured to prevent say some alteration in using the cloud that would have been detected. They were probably turned off and images were taken immediately and those images that were taken at the time that they were seized that would be used to generate evidence so this works in Parnassus favor the fact that he's turning information over while he's still under indictment and that could conceivably be a used against him certainly his statements tonight. These are factors that tend to build credibility for him. Robert Costa. Let me show you a moment as we recorded it tonight right on Fox News of the prosecution brings a witness if if they bring John Ballroom then president trump can bring a witness. He can bring in Hunter Biden Robert. What's the real chance? We'll see a kind of tit for tat calling of witnesses. What's the chance that could blow up in the faces of the Republicans in the Senate and in plain English? What do you do if you're Susan Collins? You're at home tonight. Watching the interview we saw on the air. GSA Say Love Parnasse raises no questions in my mind. I'm good I have no further questions. It's going to be a test for these senators because you're going to have at first phase one of the trial and then a couple of weeks. In the negotiations of the witnesses and the potential witnesses has to be finalized allies. And at this moment based on my reporting there could be a possibility in this trial that there are no witnesses that there will not be a consensus because of the way Senator Cruz was working along with senator. McConnell resume firm decision on anything may decide we to take what that line from Sean Hannity. We're only going to get Ambassador I sorta Bolton or left porn is up under oath if we get something in exchange for some Democrats they say this strays from the mission of abuse of power to obstruction of Congress. It doesn't really relate due to the case and they may resist but they also could try to call the Republicans Bluff a Senate Democrat. I spoke with today. Said we say to the Republicans okay. We'll bring up hunter abided but we're going to have ambassador Bolton and left parties so it's a negotiation that's really riven with political dynamics. All as a presidential races unfolding. Hey Anita Kumar. This is not about us as much as it will sound. But about our ability to transmit a story to the folks at home let's talk about press S. restrictions under McConnell on the Senate side one camera allowed today to record the transmittal of the articles of impeachment on the upside. That's one more than and the Kremlin. The downside is there are restrictions and how we can cover this trial going forward even some Republicans have criticized them. Do you think they'll hold. It does sound like they're gonNa hold but you are. Interestingly seeing these Republicans criticized not all of them but some of them and some of them saying that they want to vote on some of these restrictions. Directions you're seeing pushback from C. Span. Who Likes to be in the Chamber and Broadcasting and just from the rank and file reporters on the hill is? Bob knows as you know as I. I know when I was over on Capitol Hill part of what reporters do. There is. Walk and talk with senators there. That's how they get information. Senators are very well versed on how not to talk to reporters. They can pretend. They're on the phone. They can slip into an elevator but part of just being over there is being able to wander the halls and talk to the people. That's not going to be able to happen under these rules. And so there's a lot of pushback about that. There's a lot of things we're not gonNA see not going to here and I think that's going to be the problem and you're seeing our colleagues over there really really push back. Doesn't sound like it's going to change though sincere. It must be understood that when we talk about these. He's rules in terms of press access. These aren't some rules that have been made centuries ago about how the Senate is run. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell is in control of how the Senate is run and terms of media coverage he is the majority leader. He makes the decisions. It's not some old rule book that's being followed here. It's his decision. Thank you for adding that insincere. Thanks to our big three and a big night. Anita Kumar Joyce Vance Robert Costa coming up for us what to watch for next now that the Senate has this case. Is there any guide as to what we're about to see and later the growing evidence showing a campaign to get a career foreign service officer Sir. Our Ambassador to Ukraine fired and sent home as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this Wednesday night. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office U. STAMPS DOT COM instead. STAMPS DOT COM brings all the services of the post office to you PLUS STAMPS DOT com. Gives you something you can't get at the post office big discounts on postage like five cents off every first class stamp and up to forty percents off priority mail print official. 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John Roberts is sworn in and then in turn swears in the one hundred senators who will then take a new oath as jurors. The trial formally normally begins on Tuesday while all this is happening. A man named live previously described as a bag man for Rudy is describing having himself nothing less than a criminal enterprise acting on orders from the White House. Did you ever meet with or speak with or have any interactions with attorney. General William William Barr. I personally did not speak to him. But I was involved in Lots of conversations that Jodi John with them in front from me from me and setting up meetings with the mutual fear touches team. I was involved in that. Do you know if Mr Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr Stir bars specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigations into Joe Biden. Absolutely Mr Bar knew about that. Mr Bar tone. Everything importantly bill bars office denies the allegation with us to talk about Jon Meacham Pulitzer Prize winning author and historian and also happens to be CO author of the new book impeachment and American history. The timeliest of John's many works John. I'm puzzled as to where or to begin. Let's begin here. The people that presidents attract Kennedy brought the camelot crowd which was demeaned by LBJ. As Harvard's he ended up bringing in the Texas Mafia. We had Texans and old money new Englanders during the Bush years. We had the Arkansas Mafia during the Clinton years this crowd may be the most random of any. We've seen at a White House where the bar scene from. The trump hotel resembles balls the bar scene from the trump hotel. I'm curious to get your response. It is it's You know Reagan had the California kitchen cabinet and the FDR had the brain trust. President trump has given us now kind of a drunk Watergate You know the these these folks. If it weren't so serious it would be funny But it is incredibly serious because they were running around dealing with foreign policy we dealing with Lives on the line. In in Ukraine our security interests the truth will out. And what's remarkable is is usually we have to wait a number of years before documents emerge before people tell the truth. Everything is so sped up now that had. I suspect. We're GONNA know if not the whole story or going to continue to learn more and more as this remarkable and incredibly complicated era unfolds. The Democrats were instantly necked today for mixing solemnity with celebrating in the endzone holding souvenir pans aloft as if they had won them in a contest is decorum. Do you think going to be in short supply or or is there something about the chief justice in the well of the Senate. That'll serious us up. I suspect so if that's the biggest mistake the Democrats make in this Drama than that. We're in pretty good shape I I suspect having these sort of trophies of impeachment it was not the best optical moment You can think of but given what Speaker Pelosi given what the House has done. I think we can live with that. What what really gets us into New Territory John? I think you'll agree. Is this open question over. Potentially colossal witnesses and a mountain of colossal lawsuit evidence coming in right now tonight on the eve of this thing getting underway. It's the Republicans have made a big deal about this. Being the mocking Congressman Collins Today was mocking the Democrats for saying this was an unfolding crime. This was an unfolding drama but but it is And one of the one of the reasons it's unfolding. This is the Alice in Wonderland. Part of it is the White House and the Republicans. Republicans will be claiming going forward. That it's too late if you'd really. This is really been serious. She would have found it already but they were blocking all of that. Testimony one of the articles of impeachment is a remarkable Executive overreach and so I think the central insight insight in many ways of of the whole American experiment is that ideally we are able to use our brains and not simply react from remark guts right. The whole point here was that we would allow reason to take a stand against passion in the arena. And if I were United State senator if I would wanna hear everything I possibly could because this. This isn't a reality show. A you know the the president may treat it it that way sometimes but we're not an audience we're a country we're a nation and its remarkable. Let's let's not miss what happened in today. We've only seen. This happened three times. Since Thursday April thirtieth seventeen eighty nine when George Washington took the first oath as president in New York City think about the partisanship think about the rancor. There used to be violence on the floor of Congress. People have died in duels. Is People the idea that somehow there was this golden era of bipartisanship and powdered wigs and that led into Eisenhower presiding over a calm era. Uh that whole drama that somehow the past was easier is wrong if the pass was incredibly complicated and it was their present. Here's the thing that I exist at this on Joe Biden. Here's the thing. The thing to remember today is only three times in those two hundred and forty years or so has has a the the House of Representatives taken this series of step we need to take a deep breath and actually hear the evidence. That's why we wanted to hear you out tonight. Jon Meacham H. A. R.. Thanks as always. We'll talk to you along the way coming up for US tonight. More from left Parnasse and the the damning implications of his words and the mountain two of evidence. He has unleashed when we come back two months ago today former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich testified before the House impeachment hearings. Thanks to love Parnasse. We now know more war about the effort to get her out out of her job out of Ukraine and generally out of the way. Do you believe that part of the motivation to get get rid of embassador. Von of its to get her out of post was because she was in the way of this effort to get the government of Ukraine to announce investigations of Joe Biden. Those only only motivation. That was the only night with US tonight for more on this Michael mcfaul former. US Ambassador to Russia who has known former Ambassador Basseterre. Marie Ivanovich for decades. His book is called from Cold War. Too Hot piece and American Ambassador in Putin's Russia Mike. I just want to hear. Are you out on the evidence that came out tonight. The evidence that's coming out hourly in document form on the effort to oust the friend. You have called Masha For many years well full disclosure. I also have no Cinco for twenty five years or so as I followed his career and knew him an earlier times. And I think it's important to understand the historical context here because it all gets gobbled up lots of Ukrainian names the timetables hard to follow. Oh go back before Zilenski right. Before he's elected yeary Sankoh is the prosecutor general. He is not being tough on corruption the US government Vermont including ambassador. IANOVICH is beating up about it and they do not get along. He made it very clear. I go to Ukraine many times. I've been in the room with him when he made it clear that he did not appreciate what she was saying. He is holding on allegedly to this investigation about BEREA SMA and the Biden's Hunter Biden. And he now we know very explicitly. There's a quid pro quo. You get rid of her and all open up this investigation and I gotTa tell you honestly Brian I never quite understood why there was such a focus on getting rid of ambassador before today. Mr Parnell has made it crystal clear that was the first quid pro quo but everyone needs to remember then. Zilenski gets elected. And that's when they have to double down on a new strategy strategy another quid pro quo. That's where the visit to the Oval Office comes in. That's where the discussions about Mr Vice President. Pence going to the inauguration listen and most dramatically. That's when they begin to say no more military assistance and tell you open this investigation. So That's how that earlier story played out it tailed and so they had to go to plan B.. You're a veteran of the State Department in Normal Times. What would our secretary of state have said or done? MM starting today will. Starting months ago. He would've defended the ambassador. I faced harassment in Moscow. We've talked about it before on on your show Brian. I have a chapter in my book. Called Getting Physical Chapter Fourteen about the harassment. I experienced that was from Russians and when it happened happened the US government secretary Kerry Secretary Clinton President Obama pushed back. What is striking about this moment for months now but now it has asked to Secretary Pompeo I plead with you showed some leadership defend ambassador Yovany Vich because if he doesn't today after all that has broken he he he's already lost the Building Hill? Lose the building for the rest of his time in office he needs to stand up. And it's very simple. We will not allow this kind of harassment. Then this kind of of people taking his job and that's the other thing that's striking to me. Junie Giuliani and his side. Kick Your Mr. Parnasse is playing the role of the Secretary of state. He's supposed to be in charge of diplomacy. If I was secretary Pompeo I would be very upset with Mr Giuliani and I would have reason for my own personal reasons to stand up for embassador today but especially tonight after all these revelations you often invoke your. You're privileged to scare US those of us in the audience usually because we need it and Usually measuring upon your experience you've done that again authoring an op-ed piece to warn us about a misinformation campaign. UC coming that you fear coming during the the impeachment trial. Tell us about it why you fear this. WHO's it going to be from? And these three bullet points you've included for all of us to remember and listen to don't confuse denials with facts avoid what aboutism reject falsehoods your turn. Well I've been studying Soviet propaganda. I've been a target of Russian propaganda and disinformation Vladimir Putin. He accused me of all kinds ends of falsehoods So I'm kind of experienced at disinformation going back years and these three right deny didn't happen. What what aboutism? And then making up facts. We're already seeing it today in the news right there. Denying that What Mr Parnell said is true? What aboutism if we're GONNA Have Mr Bolton testify. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MR pompeo testify. What about Hunter Biden? We've just heard that just a few hours ago and then just blatant making up. Facts backs We heard during the house impeachment proceedings that happened and tragically some Americans just repeated them as if they were facts. And don't don't believe me. Believe a senior trump administration official. Her name is Fiona Hill and she warned. Everybody do not propagate disinformation when. You're doing the work of Vladimir Putin and I hope as we roll into this very serious moment in American history that we won't deal with deniability. Okay I hope that especially after today. We'll have those that know. The facts testify about the facts. We won't play this. What aboutism game? What about Heiner Biden? What about this? What about that? No let's focus on what just transferred today to the US Senate and third. Let's not play this invention of facts and by the way Brian you and me. Let's not report on the invention of facts because sometimes when we do that and I'm guilty as anybody else were indirectly Amplifying them we gotta be very careful at this most solemn moment in the history of our democracy what a time to be a Russia expert and a veteran of the State Department Michael mcfaul. That's why we invited you on. Thank you as always very much with us. Another break for us when we come back a bit. More of what love Parnasse had to say tonight so vice. President Mike Pence has his plan trip to the inauguration cancelled After you were unable to get the Ukrainian government to commit to announcing investigations Vice President Biden. Do you know if vice president pence was aware that that was the quid pro quo that that was the trade and that in fact is why his inaugural visit was called off. When the US famous quote by Mr Sullivan? Everybody was humble for that reason. This was not a good night to be Mike Pence Devon Nunez Bill Bar for that matter Donald Trump. We just wanted to air another bit of of the extraordinary conversation conducted today by Rachel Motto With love a reminder part two airs tomorrow night another break for us and coming up our our next two guests are Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who have covered stories all over the world but in their latest work they set their sights on our country. We will tell you you what they found out. After this gripping new book from veteran reporters Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl Wudunn offers an inside look at the still growing crisis facing working class. America in tight rope Americans reaching for hope the two authors describe devastating stories of violence poverty and addiction. Impacting impacting the country from Christoph Hometown in Oregon. All the way east to Baltimore they right and we quote it has been wrenching to see. Old Friends. Suffering Frank and the dysfunction cascading down to their children and grandchildren in our reporting over the decades abroad. We were paying to see talented. Chinese Bangladesh's Syrian Sudanese suffering. Unnecessarily in wars are refugee camps it is even more harrowing to see unnecessary suffering offering among old friends who are capable of achieving much more for themselves and for the country joining us now the aforementioned Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl Wudunn you done the first married couple by the way to win a Pulitzer Prize together for journalism again. Their book is tight rope. Americans reaching for hope. Thank you both for coming in apologies for the late hour a nick. Tell us about your hometown. What compelled you to tell that story for starters? We'll share all and I were traveling around the world covering global humanitarian crisis. And then we come back to my beloved hometown of Yelm Hill where my mom still lows on the family farm and we saw a humanitarian crisis unfolding there and still close to many of the families run my old school bus Brian. About a quarter of the kids on my own school bus have passed away from suicide drugs. Alcohol haul these depths of despair and Cheryl and I realized that this isn't just one towns crisis. This is an American prices. There is a great social depression. That in many ways is an echo of the great depression except a mean this time. Life expectancy across the US is actually declining. which didn't even happened the Great Depression but also much of America you know in the Great Depression there was a real policy response this time not only? Is there not a policy response. That most of America isn't even noticing that much Gerald talk about. I often look into the camera and say to those of you living in America and I mean away from the immediate coastlines. Tell us about what it is like to see in America. A different brand of suffering than what you've seen overseas but no less suffering so we were we're overseas covering humanitarian crisis in the developing world. I think that the degree of pain and suffering that has taken place over there is far greater than anything here in America that we can even imagine because we're such a rich country but as we began to sort of unpack this we started talking to the people and you really have to go behind. Closed Doors look people in Yam Hill and other places around America. They've got plumbing. They've got electricity. They have flat screen. TV's but they actually have a lot less hope now and confidence in their children's future and so the paradox is that we have have so many people from poor countries desperately trying to get to America because they believe in the American dream but for so many homegrown Americans they are floundering and that dream for them is broken nick. I often complain. That we're a country of Campbell soup an F.. One fifty s and that even our politicians speak in terms of whole foods and Tesla's too often the lives of our politicians Titians have become way fancier than they were decades ago. We are country of income disparity and such class and language language disparity the way Americans talk to each other and I think that that is actually part of the problem. Now that you know one of the things that puzzled us is we. We know how to address these problems. We know we can. I mean it's it's a scandal that only one in ten Americans who needs drug treatment actually gets it. So why don't we use these toolboxes and I think the problem is this insulation that you describe from those in need and the social narrative has emerged that is all about personal responsibility and blaming people for their problems and now look self. Destructive behaviors are real personal. Responsibility is real. There's no doubt about that. But it emerges from context when a newborn baby in Shannon County South Dakota has a shorter life expectancy than a newborn baby in Cambodia Bangladesh. That's not because the child in in and Shannon County is making bad choices. It's about the choices we as a country are making and so I think that installation leads us in a wrong direction to remove empathy to make it harder to address these problems. We're going to have a conversation about personal responsibility. Let's have one. What about our collective social responsibility? You're absolutely right Cheryl. Is there a parallel to another nation on earth with such great wealth and riches impossibilities and such great struggles such great poverty and and income disparity. And how we've chosen into live with both of those. Polar extremes are actually a number of examples and role models if you take Great Britain take the UK even in just twenty years ago. They had enormous child poverty that was even greater than in the US. They had more than one in four kids. was born in poverty. Pretty that was slightly more than in the US at the time But they said we want to reduce poverty. Tony Blair said we want to reduce it. So they embarked on this just comprehensive program and they actually within less than a decade reduced child poverty in number the number of children probably by half. They had a child allowances. They increase child literacy programs. They increased maternal Paid maternity leave They had a child child allowance credits. They had a number of things on all fronts. Early Childhood Education it was comprehensive and they were very successful so it can't be done and what was the cost for them there's about one percent of their GDP at the time about one hundred thirty billion dollars we can do that here in the US. 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New evidence bolsters claims made by Parnas

"The show we at nine on. MSNBC makes your home for joining us this hour yet another day in our living history as American citizens where the front pages of our local newspapers kind of feel like Things you might want to save this is the Dallas Morning News today. Impeachment trial begins with ritual and rancor senators sworn in and allegations read. This is the San Diego Union. Tribune Senate Senate begins historic trial. Chicago Tribune sort of went with the dramatic picture. Lead over the big headline Washington Post five columns atop page one senate trial of Trump Begins Wall Street Journal. Yeah Senate opens historic trial of president. The Kirtland Press Herald in Portland Maine historic trial of trump begins in Hawaii. Honolulu Star advertiser trial set in motion Philadelphia Inquirer very dramatic. The trial begins. Saint Louis Post dispatch often has very very good front page headlines for all big occasions This time they went with I think a very good one trump on trial but I will say as much as I love the Saint Louis. Post dispatch headline writers. I think they have a run for their money any today in terms of the best headline nationwide check out the Parkersburg News and Sentinel from Parkersburg West. Virginia their headline is perfect. Fuck jury duty get it jury duty as a new or the jurors senators. Do your duty. It is so good jury duty. Trump's trial begins senators. Vowing impartial justice. This is the New York Times all six columns the the full for with the front page. Trump's trial opens as new evidence emerges. Sir This is the Birmingham News Birmingham. Alabama trial begins with pop and bombshell today the formal summons of the president notifying him. That he is on trial arrived at the white. The House. The White House is expected to make a reply to that in writing by tomorrow evening also by tomorrow evening the House essentially the prosecutors are expected to file oil their first trial brief for the president's impeachment trial the president side in effect. The defense will have their first brief due on Monday. So this is joined now. This is on and as noted by those last two pages. We just showed from Birmingham Alabama and New York Work City. There is very unusual dynamic at work in this impeachment. which is that? The impeachment trial is opening as new evidence emerges as the Times puts it or as proverbial bombshells continue to drop just the way the Birmingham News. Put it and you know the fact that new evidence is coming out new witnesses. This is are coming forward. Everybody has noted that puts pressure on the Senate in terms of whether they're going to consider witness testimony and documentary evidence as new and potentially important witnesses continue continue to present themselves as that new documentary. Evidence just continues to pile up it will the Senate pretend none of that is happening or will they actually actually look at that stuff as part of considering this scandal considering the record of the president's behavior that they've got before them we're going to speak with a key. US Senator Tonight about how that is playing inside the Senate and how that may ultimately be resolved but the fact that new evidence is still coming out right now in real time. New Witnesses are coming forward and saying saying stuff that is potentially very consequential for the case against the president. I think somewhat unusually it also means that the politics of this impeachment mint are very much in flux as the trial gets underway. I mean I'm not trying to be naive about this or pollyannaish about this but what the public knows about what. The president did is an evolving beast. Right I mean as more evidence comes forward as the public learns new things about the what the president did. That's very much going to affect the public's expectations for how they want and expect act senators to judge the president. It'll affect how the public views senators in terms of the seriousness with which they are approaching this solemn jury duty thank you Parkersburg News and Sentinel. It'll also affect the public's perception of the president's alleged high crimes and misdemeanors and whether or not he should be held accountable for those. Thanks so this is alive. Thing I mean impeachments are always unpredictable. They're so rare. But the fact that this one still has more evidence more sometimes very compelling evidence coming to the surface being surfaced by freedom freedom freedom of information act lawsuits being surfaced by witnesses coming forward who have tales to tell it matters in terms of how humble we should be about our expectations for this impeachment as it goes forward and I should mention and can we go back to the Birmingham News. Front page thank you. One of the things that Birmingham News is highlighting. It's a sort of late breaking development that is important in terms of the Senate trial trial. Starting right now. Is that as the trial is kicking off the nonpartisan. Investigative Body called the Government Accountability Office Government Agency has just determined. The president withheld aid from Ukraine as part of the scheme for which is being impeached. It was against the law for him to do that. It was illegal for him to do. There has been a talking point from the White House and among Republican supporters of the President and Congress that this impeachment is a scandal for which there was no technical crime. There was a crime it turns out and that official determination that the president acted illegally withholding those funds from Ukraine that official official determination by the GAO. Right as the trial starts. I mean I know that's something that has been a little bit swamped by other developments this week but that may also end up being really important Orton in terms of how this goes forward that is one of the late breaking bombshells. That is still coming to four coming to public notice as the trial starts. We're going to speak speak with somebody very close to that story about that ruling in just a moment tonight as well so we've got a lot to come but I have to tell you even just tonight. The House has released released. Still more evidence that pertains to the impeachment scandal more texts and coal records and communications even a voicemail that they received from love the same love party who I interviewed this week in New York. And who had a key role in the Ukraine scheme as essentially Rudy Giuliani's right hand man for the duration of this pressure campaign. The things Mr Parnell told me in this interview this week. Our explosive on a lot of different levels he bluntly implicated and not only the president but also a number of other senior administration officials including Cabinet officials in the way he told the story about how that Ukraine scheme worked and I know that the White House and Conservative media in particular have tried to discount his assertions and his allegations by saying that Mr Parnassus under federal criminal indictment and and that is absolutely true. Nobody hiding the ball about that whatsoever. The problem with that politically. I think there's a problem with that. Is that it cuts both ways right. Yes Love Parnassus Facing Federal Israel felony charges but that puts him in pretty good company and trump world. You know what I mean. Why is it that so many people connected to this? President are imprisoned or have pled guilty to felonies or have been and convicted of felonies or are otherwise up on multiple felony counts. I mean the president's campaign chairman prison the President's deputy campaign chairman prison the president's foreign policy adviser from the campaign prison the president's President's national security adviser awaiting maybe prison the president's personal lawyer no not that one the other one prison and now the guy who was with Rudy Giuliani running this Ukraine scheme for the president. Yeah he is facing prison but like I said that's a big team You know it's easy to take shots at him for his legal problems but at some point. Don't you look around in wonder how come this president has so many people around him who we recognize from their mugshots. So like there's a glass houses problem with people being like don't trust this guy in the trump war bit. He's facing felony charges. Yeah Dude who isn't but the problem with this effort to dismiss these allegations in these assertions made by Mr Partners is that it turns out. I've learned in speaking with with him this week and in reviewing very carefully everything that has been released by the House Intelligence Committee that he handed over to them. What we've learned about him as a a witness to this scandal is that he is that remarkable thing that prosecutors and investigators look for? which is the person who not only was involved At all levels of the scheme that's being investigated. He's the person who did that. While keeping all the receipts he. He kept everything it turns out. He has provided reams of documentary evidence. Text messages letters photos WHATSAPP messages. I mean you name it. He has handed handed it over to the house impeachment. Investigators who bit by bit have been making it public over the course this week and it turns out those materials can be. We used to corroborate his story to corroborate some of the assertions that he made to me in my interview this week for example The Washington Post today took a close. Look at what I think is actually the most explosive claim that loved parnes made in my whole interview with him. And I know Mr Kearney's made a lot of very explosive claims but I just want to focusing on one of them that I think might end up being the most consequential and it's the basis of this Washington Post report today sort of checking out as best as they can from the public record. Mr Parnassus assertions I'm not going to replay this whole section of the interview which Mr Parnell made. These claims are about the vice. The president. I've cut down a little bit to pair it down to his essence but you should see it. One more time to refresh your memory here it is. Did you meet with the Ukrainian cranium. Official named Sergei Schaefer Circuit Schaefer is a very senior aide to presidents Alinsky court It has been reported as far as we understand. I'm from public reporting that. You conveyed to Mr Schaffer. The exact quid pro quo that you wanted. Celeski to announce investigations into into Joe Biden or military aid would not be released to Ukraine. Is that accurate It was a little bit more than that Basically a the message that I was supposed to die gave. Sergei Schaefer was very harsh message. That was told to be to give it to the very harsh way. Not In a pleasant way. Who told eligible give it to them in a harsh way? Mayor Giuliani cruelty told me After a meeting at the president the White House he called me a message was wasn't just military. It was all eight basically the relationships would be sour. That you would that we would stop giving him any kind of aid. That was announced me. The conversation and I told him that if he doesn't the announcement was the key at that time. Because of the inauguration that would not show up nobody would show up unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to this person so the a day after that meeting that you had was the twelfth. I believe it was the following day that in fact vice president pence first visit to the inauguration was cancelled after my phone. Call the conversation that I'd love to. Mr Schaffer was basically what I was told to do by Giuliani and the president and then afterwards I relate back to them saying that he's going to get back to me later tonight and we're supposed to meet then around eight o'clock or nine o'clock at night. I texted back against saying that any word. What's the situation and at that point Because I'm what's up. You can see the person like this connects you and he'd disconnected me our conversation. He basically the guy blocked me and I understood that that was a no so I called back is said No go and he I remember really go okay. They'll you'll see basically next pets To my awareness called up and said to make sure pencils and go there so this is you believe that Mister Peres trek affected. The inauguration was cancelled because they didn't agree or no one hundred outstanding because there's other the chain of events that that was the key to who what where we are today because after that what let's take a look at what transpires next within the next couple of days all of a sudden they realized that now Big a word because obviously when pence cancel as they get word the pets coming so now they realized that without telling his true left part in my interview within and this week made explosive claims about the president about attorney. General William Bar About Energy Secretary. Rick Perry Congressman Devon Nunez. Rudy Giuliani and Dan. Dan Dan Dan but for my claim for my money. The claim that he laid out about vice president. Mike Pence is sort of stunning. The biggest picture sense. It is stunning because senators are being convened in this trial right now to decide whether or not president. Trump's behavior if you're in this Ukraine scheme is sufficiently bad sufficiently illegal sufficiently violative of his responsibilities under the constitution. That senator should remove the president from office. If they remove the the president from office they would de facto elevate vice president Mike Pence into the Oval Office and so in that circumstance. It would be good to know. If Vice President Pence I was also involved or indeed knowingly complicit in the core scheme for which the president has been impeached I mean. There's there's the possibility here that you are arresting Bonnie but promoting Clyde right if they were doing this together and vice president pence was knowingly complicit in the heart of this scheme you know demanding that Ukraine announced investigations into Joe Biden. Or you get your aid. Cut Off if he was knowingly complicit complicit in that scheme if he was part of it that's a big deal for senators who are now solemnly weighing the prospect of removing president trump from office for his role in that scheme vice president pence also had an overt knowing role in the same thing but love parties his assertions about vice president pence explosive as they are as fascinating as they are. They don't just live out there in space on their own. They are bolstered. As the Washington Post lays out point-by-point. They are bolstered at every. Turn by documentary evidence. That supports the timeline of Mr Parnassus describing quote text messages and other documents released by the house this week as well as congressional testimony during the impeachment inquiry corroborate the time. Line that Parnis detailed in interviews about about the episode. When Mr Parnasse explained to me that he was in contact with a very senior Ukrainian government official name surrogate Schaeffer? That that in fact is bolstered by the string of text messages between love Parnis and Sergei Schaeffer that have now been made public by the investigators. I mean Mr Parnell told me that he was given Mr Schafer's number and I got in touch with him when he was in Ukraine on May eleventh well turns out that checks out. Here's that text message. Written may may eleventh from Love Parnes to Sergei Schaefer. It's written in Russian. Intelligence Committee has translated it as good evening. Sergei my name is left barness. I'm a friend of mayor. Rudy Giuliani. Please please come back. Thank you nine minutes later to prove who he was and that he had the connections he was bragging about love. Sent along to Mr Schaffer or copy of a letter that Giuliani had sent the previous day to president elect Zilenski. It's not a public letter. This is something that only somebody actually connected to rudy. Giuliani would have left sends over that letter. Basically early to establish his bona fetus. Mr Schaffer response tens minutes ten minutes later understood. Thanks later that night with a couple of hours. SHAEFFER SENDS LEFT PARNES BY I. Text the name of a fancy restaurant in kith where he apparently wants to meet. Mr. Parnasse he's GonNa get that meeting following morning. We Know Lev- is on his way. Good Morning Sir. I'm on on my way but I'm running late about fifteen minutes. I'll be there about ten fifteen or ten twenty thanks Sergei responds and we don't need to translate this. Okay is okay in any language now at that meeting at that restaurant that is what love described in his interview with me. That's where he said. He was harsh that he made. This harsh demanded end of that senior aid to the Ukrainian president that they didn't announce investigations into Joe Biden. Not only were they not going to get military aid. That would get no aid. It would be the end of their relationship with the United Nited States and they would definitely get no Mike Pence. At the inauguration of Presidents Alinsky pence would cancel his inaugural visit. And just as Mr Partner said after. That meeting happened. which did not go? Well this is very heated. He said he was very harsh. He said Schafer made no commitment on behalf of the Ukrainian government to announce the Biden investigation which is what Love was demanding. No uncertain terms on behalf of Giuliani on behalf of the president of the United States. I mean just as love said after that that meeting which did not go. Well he told me in this interview that he didn't hear back from Mr Schaffer. After that meeting and so later that night it had been a breakfast meeting in Kiev. Later that night love Parnasse started texting the guy to find out if he was gonna give him an answer. That's what he told me in the interview and in Fact Act it checks out here in those tax. We've got love PARNIS. The Night of the twelfth texting Mr Schaffer. Sergei Kuni thing thing is there any news. Sergei does not right back. We can see from the complete string of text messages that a couple of weeks later left tries again. Hello Sergei Hello. That's a couple of weeks later on a couple of months later question-mark Aloe are you blocking me. In fact Sergei Schaefer never writes back to love again just as left said. He said he cut me off from that conversation. And then what happened next after. He didn't hear back from Sergei Shafer on the night night of the twelfth. According to love the way he tells it he relayed back to Rudy Giuliani in Washington. That it was or at least in the United States that it was in loves words. A no go. I remember the threat. Was that Vice. President Pence would cancel his plans to attend the Lenzi's inauguration unless they agreed to announce those investigations. The Way told the story he related home to Washington. It's a no go. They're not GONNA do. It really told him they will see. And in fact. By the next morning the thirteenth Mike Pence would cancel his trip to go to the Lenzi's inauguration. That's what love had threatened on behalf of the White House. The White House made good on that threat. The way love explained it the the way that laid out. This sort of bombshell assertion about Vice President Mike Pence on his involvement in this scheme in this pressure campaign on Ukraine to make a visit. And all these other things that the Ukrainian government wanted and needed from the US government make it contingent on them announcing that investigation which on the twelfth they would not do. I mean the way love explains that meeting happened on the twelfth reported home. I'm about the night of May twelfth and then the cancellation of pence's visit in fact happened on the thirteenth. That is what love Parnis alleges as explosive as it is and it turns out that last part of it checks out as well. We had already stopped the trip planning by that point. And when did that happen stopping the the plan here on May thirteenth. Okay and how did you hear about that. I was called by a by a colleague in the cheap. The vice president's chief of staff office and told to stop the trip planning and did. Did you have any any knowledge of the reasoning for stopping the true. I asked my colleague why we should stop trip planning why the vice president would not be attending and I was informed that the president had decided the vice president would not attend the inauguration. It kind of seems like love. Parnasse was speaking for president trump after all president trump contacted vice president mike pence and told him he wouldn't be going to that inauguration. This dramatic story that left tells about Vice President Mike Pence Mike Pence's vice president. Mike Pence is trip. Being cancelled to crane to make good on the White House threat. Visit would be cancelled unless they announced the vitamin investigations. It is bolstered. I mean as as as shocking as that claim mm-hmm is and as potentially important as that claim is about the involvement of the vice-president. You may doubt love because we is but what he said is explicitly Lee and exactly bolstered by corroborating documentation and testimony from disinterested witnesses. Now a senior administration Russian official talking to the Washington Post about this chain of events even with the protection of anonymity pote not share what reason president trump gave vice president pence for canceling that trip. Well somebody should be asked president trump. What reason he gave vice president pence to cancel his trip? Does Alinsky is inauguration. Somebody we should ask vice-president Mike Pence what reason president trump gave him for. Cancelling his trip to Presidents Lewinsky's inauguration or did he really just cancel cancel his planned trip to his Alinsky inauguration on direct orders from the president of the United States. By saying Yes sir. Please don't tell me why sir it I mean. Maybe that's how things operate at the highest levels of the trump administration but somebody should ask I will also say that in the materials was just released by the house tonight. Mister Peres claims. That Rudy Giuliani arranged for Mr Parnell to have John Dowd. The president's one time lawyer represent him when he was summoned to speak to the impeachment investigation. That claim about Giuliani setting them up with John. Dowd that is also bolstered by these text messages released tonight by the House also also when Mister Peres told me in the interview that he was shocked that California Republican Congressman Devin. Nunes was taking a leading role in the supposed- investigation of the scandal. He said he was shocked by that because he loved parnes had arranged for a Devon newness staffer to actually participate in this game by trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden from corrupt Ukrainian officials. That too is bolstered in these many text messages. Release Tonight showing love doing just that with a top staffer staffer Congressman Devin. Nunes setting up interviews between that staffer and Ukrainian officials who are making these claims against Joe Biden. What love said to me beat is bolstered by the documentation that you would go to look for if you were trying to prove it and I understand they want to attack life partners as an accused is criminal and point taken? He is an accused criminal and one of many around this president and this administration but whatever Mr Parnasse zone situation his own on criminal case the guy does seem to have kept everything every photo every text message every attachment so his claims in fact can. NBA checked the White House has denied all documents from the entire federal government to the impeachment. Investigation turns out. Lev has a a bunch though. And he's handed him over turns out even the most what I believed to have been the most explosive claim he made in my interview with him in very important as it turns out by the documentary evidence. We can corroborate it by checks out moorhead. Stay with us. Hi Everyone Steve Kornacki here host of the podcast article two inside impeachment it. It is official president. Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives and faces a trial in the Senate. We've witnessed incredibly historic moment. So what does it mean for us for our politics and for our country with a politics of impeachment change. What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment search now wherever you're listening and subscribe. Thanks for listening. It was a signal moment when White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney stood up in the briefing room last year and admitted out loud. In front of the whole world that yes there was a quid pro quo involving the withholding of aid aid to Ukraine in exchange for them announcing investigations that the White House was demanding. But it's easy to forget because of how large claim looms in that same press conference Mick Mulvaney also admitted to something else he. He admitted in that press conference as well. There were concerns inside the White House inside the Office of Management and budget over the legality or the potential illegality of the hold on the Ukraine were concerned about in our over and be about an impoundment and I know I just put half you folks to bed but there's a there's the budget control act impound budget control empowerment after nine hundred. Seventy four says of Congress appropriates money. You have to spend it. We knew that that the money either had to go out the door by the end of September or we had to have a really really good reason not to do it and that was the legality of the issues. That was the legality of the issue. There was a legal constraints Anton us that we were. That presser is remembered for Mick Mulvaney admitting to the quid pro quo. But he also admitted that there were concerns inside outside the White House inside Owen. Be About the legality of that part of the quid pro quo. That part of the quid pro. That was withholding the US aid from Ukraine so that that press conference was in October the following month in November there was a career official from Owen. Be Testifying to the impeachment investigation. That in in fact he was among the people who had raised questions. About whether withholding those funds from Ukraine was illegal more explosively that official mark. Sandy testified defied that to other officials on to other officials had not only shared those concerns that this is potentially illegal. He told the impeachment investigation that to Huawei officials had actually resigned at least in part due to their concerns over the legality of the hold while we now know that those officials who resigned they were not alone in their concerns and it would seem to be proven now that their concerns were well-founded. The White House has refused a handover any documents that could shed light on these matters but just before Christmas heavily redacted documents did start spilling into the open thanks to freedom of Information Act lawsuits filed by watchdog watchdog groups. Those documents showed that senior political appointees within Ohm B. knew that the hold might be in violation of the law and they actively took steps to try and keep it as quiet as possible earlier this month reporting by just security revealed that Department of Defense officials also expressed explicit an urgent concern turn about the potential illegality of the hold the president and his allies have insisted consistently right that that no crime was committed in relation to any part of this impeachment inquiry. It's not true. And the officials who were concerned early on that. What was going on around them might be illegal? They were right yesterday the Gao the independent nonpartisan Congressional Agency. That's tasked and with investigations that was tasked with reviewing this matter concluded that yeah. The trump administration did in fact break the law when they withheld that money. That decision said House budget chairman. John Yarmuth confirmed. The president trump broke the law by withholding critical security assistance for Ukraine. He said quote. This is only the latest proof that he brazenly unle and knowingly abused his power joining us. Now is the chairman of the House. Budget Committee Kentucky Congressman. John yarmuth CARPENTER MR chairman. Thank you so much for making time to be here tonight. I really appreciate it. Oh good to be with you Rachel so I just ran down a little bit of the history of this part of the scandal. LemMe ask if I got any that wrong or if events have overtaken man I messed left out something important no you got it exactly right The impoundment act of nineteen seventy four prohibits the administration from withholding funds. Unless there's some kind of programmatic problem for instance if there were a grant program that Congress established and nobody applied for the grant but then obviously they could have dispersed the funds but dispense the funds but other than that the the government is obligated the administration to spend the money Congress appropriates pursuant to Article One powers and if they don't They have to come to Congress in advance and explain why they're They WANNA Withhold the funding. Of course. They did none of that. What was said was that you cannot definite definitely cannot withhold funds based on policy? Let's see you can under certain circumstances again the programmatic Technicalities you might but when it's policy you can't do that. The administration came back back in response to the GAO report and said we believe we have the right to withhold funds based on the president's prop priorities parties which is policy so basically. They're saying they don't agree with the law. Well they could not agree with the law but they have to buy the problem we have is. There's really I know enforcement mechanism. We can impeach him which we're doing an obviously this. This is part of the entire scheme which is part of the Article One and charge that he abused his power in this case he actually broke the law in abusing his power. So we're going to. We're going to be looking at ways to tightened down the impoundment act so that there actually are some consequences if the administration does something. That's against the law. Let me ask you about one of the sort of intriguing being human dynamics behind this part of the story which is that it does appear from the documents we've been able to see from the testimony from people like Mark Zandi that there were people Addo Embi working in the White House there were people at the Defense Department. Certainly who seemed pretty convinced or seemed very worried that this was illegal that this hold on on this aid was not in compliance with the law and that there would be consequences when it became known and those people raised concerns explicitly committed them to the writing seemed to run those concerns up the chain as far as they could and then we also see other trump administration officials political appointees seeming to try to to keep this quiet seeming to try to keep this as something that wasn't getting widely circulated and wasn't being widely discussed after they'd been warned that it was illegal that sort of culpability perceived culpability for people who knew that they might have been furthering a criminal act. It just seems like it just seems like people other than just the president did stuff. That was wrong here. And exactly and there's another piece of evidence to in that normally what we call the apportionment letters which actually really has to go out when you dispense money Or when you're delaying. The dispense of money are signed by career officials career employees at the uh-huh embiid that was done to a certain point and then they took it out of their hands and put it in the hands of a political appointee at O. M. B.. They took it out of the normal process and this was part of their. I think again a response to the fact. They know they were doing so. They knew they were doing something wrong. They didn't want the career officials to you have a hand in it and we know there was there were wide reports that Mick Mulvaney also ask Oh. Mb Lawyers to to see if they could come up with a legal justification. For what what they were doing so they all knew they were doing something wrong. There was never any question about that And they had the that was on the technical side the legal side on the policy side there were where people within the administration. The very high up in the military and diplomatic Sphere who were arguing against it saying it was bad policy that we needed actually put this money out. So Ukrainian Ukrainska Ukrainians could defend themselves congressman. John Yarmuth Chairman of the House Budget Committee. Thanks for helping US understand this tonight. It is the dramatic thing to get a ruling with the president acted illegally in the scheme. House his Senate trial is beginning. But it's it's helpful to have you clarify for us. Thank you very much much. Well when Mick Mulvaney said he put half the people to sleep Maybe we put together after sleep. Important very important event also putting people to sleep is an important skill. America America needs to sleep better. Things are much vitiated. Sure all right. We got much more to get to tonight. 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Wherever you get your podcasts in twenty-six team gene the very first member of Congress to endorse Donald Trump for president was a republican congressman from Buffalo New York named Chris Collins once trump in fact doc became president? Chris Collins became one of trump's most vocal and most ardent defenders on Capitol Hill right up until the point in two thousand eighteen when Chris Collins was arrested arrested on felony charges related to an insider trading scheme Congressman Collins. Fought those charges in court for over a year. He was actually reelected in two thousand eighteen. Eighteen go buffalo despite being under indictment for federal crimes. It was not until late last year. Two Thousand Nineteen when Congressman Collins. Finally resigned resigned from Congress after he decided that okay after all he was going to plead guilty well now with the impeachment trial of Donald Trump officially underway underway with senators and the chief justice being sworn in yesterday today we got a stark and sobering reminder of where the Donald Trump era in politics really began because today the first congressman who endorsed his presidential bid Chris Collins he was sentenced to two and a half years in federal prison for his role in that insider trading scheme. I should note that the second member of Congress who endorse Donald Trump for president is a gentleman named Duncan Hunter. He just submitted his official resignation to Congress last week after also pleading guilty to felony charges. He's set to be sentenced in March more to come in every possible way. I'm sure of it. Stay with US earlier tonight. I showed you a bunch of newspaper front pages today from this historic time this historic date in our history. We're focused for one minute on this one. This New York Times headline trump's trump's trial opens as new evidence emerges reliving this and so we know what this feels like but it's a remarkable thing as the articles of impeachment move from the House to the Senate this week as the Senate convenience trial nearly every day this week has brought forth significant new information related to the factual record of this impeachment impeachment scandal. How does all this new information effect? How the Senate trial is likely to be conducted and our senators talking about this amongst themselves or changing their minds based on the new information? They're getting that may be affecting the way they otherwise thought they would approach these things senator. Maisy Hirono Democrat. Hawaii was sworn in yesterday as one of the one hundred jurors in this historic trial. She joins US live tonight. Senator thank you so much for this. Let me ask if if if I'm if I'm right to focus in on this as as a notable as a notable factor heading into this trial the new information that's coming out every day is is it affecting what your expectations are for how the trial will run. Certainly as to the cooperation of we know president trump already did ed which was to shake down the Ukrainian president for his political purposes. And using almost four hundred million in taxpayer. Money as bribe so all of this corroborating reading evidence is Is Emerging thanks so much to you but if these were more normal time somebody like parts would already have testified in the house impeachment pitchman inquiry because he was subpoenaed to testify and he was prevented from doing so. And all the evidence that was requested. SEVENTY-ONE SUBPOENA PINOT requests for documents. which say White House said no way? So they've been stonewalling the impeachment inquiry all the way and this is one of the reasons they chill that. I think think you've done a great service to let people understand that there. There's more evidence out there and Mitch. McConnell is doing everything he can to prevent the senators. And where can people from hearing this evidence thankfully though in this age of social media all of the evidence and there's a lot of it it is on the website the house website in terms of the information that has been Ford for the investigation. Yeah you know I I. I wonder how sensitive you think. The Senate is as a body. How Mitch McConnell I guess is as its leader as majority leader to public perceptions perceptions on this stuff because part of what's weird and interesting about the fact that this information is coming out through freedom of Information Act lawsuits and through public interviews with the people like me on TV is that the public knows all this stuff? The public gets to see all this stuff changes public expectations for what the president is actually going to be on trial four. How sensitive do you think? McConnell is to what the public knows and what the public is going to want answers to Mitch. McConnell is very sensitive at all this is the same person person who prevented Garland from getting on the Supreme Court. Then he didn't prevent the government shutdown that her eight hundred thousand government women workers so he sought sensitive at all. One thing that Mitch McConnell cares about is retaining control over the Senate just says the president is totally interested in his own retention of the presidency. These are the kind of people were talking about. But thankfully the America people want evidence and witnesses on the trial the majority of people understand that that is what a fair trial looks like in a conference call with reporters in your home state of Hawaii. Today you said the president is trying to rig this trial by not producing documents and forbidding his people from testifying. What do you mean by using the word rigged there? Oh just tried to rig his reelection by getting the the Ukrainian president to do his political bidding and using four hundred million as a bribe he tried to rig this trial using Mitch McConnell to prevent any witnesses or any documents documents from being produced. This is the I think rigging is the right word. Another word is cheating. He's cheating the American People Senator Haruna Democrat of Hawaii. Thank you so much for your time. Tonight and next week is going to be a huge week. Thanks for being with us. All right. Stay with us. Okay we're GONNA have to warm up the chart you remember this. This was the state of play the last time we checked in this is something we have been tracking and trying very hard to keep to accurate scale this is what the presidential contenders have spent on. TV and radio ads thus far. This was their spending to date when we last checked in on a week or so ago but now as of tonight we have an update with the new numbers. We got today BOO. There's a little movement across the board but the dynamic in this race remains wholly unchanged the billionaires running in the democratic the primary Michael Bloomberg Com style are just playing a qualitatively different game when it comes to how much they are spending on ads. I mean everybody else's like on a bicycle somehow faster astor bicycles our slowest bicycles. But they're like in a spaceship right and different thing. It's almost impossible to fit that kind of difference on your screen let alone in your brain. But here's there's something also mind-bending in the numbers which tells a whole different story. Obviously you know Iowa. Is I in the primary and then New Hampshire then the next two states Nevada data and South Carolina turns out. Something fascinating is going on with the spending in those two states in particular. I want to show you Nevada when you add it up. The twenty twenty candidates have spent almost twelve million dollars on advertising. TV and radio ADS in Nevada. But when you look at how that twelve million dollars is spread out across the candidates. You realize though. Wow it's not really spread out at all Tom. Steyer has spent more than ten million dollars on ads ads. In South Carolina. Ninety one percent of the ad buys in South Carolina. Are Tom Steyer. Sorry in Nevada. Sorry and it's the same thing in south South Carolina seventeen and a half million dollars have been spent on twenty twenty ads in South Carolina of that seventeen million dollars. Tom Steyer spent almost fifteen fifteen million of it all by himself. Eighty five percent of the money spent on ads in that state spent by that one candidate. Now we already know that Tom. Steiner has has translated millions of dollars worth of TV time into a huge boost in the polls in those states specifically that bottom a last minute spot at the debate this past last week but with him dominating the AD spending not in some states down the road but in the states that go third and Fourth Nevada and South Carolina with those contests and or now fast approaching will that money that dominant money in the Ad World be translated into votes as well we we shall see. We'll be right back. Stay with about best new thing in the world ready for one IRIO exactly one hundred years ago. Today alcohol became illegal in this country. It was the start of prohibition on that first day more than fifteen hundred federal agents spread out across the country conducting adding anti alcohol raids local authorities barrels of wine were poured into the streets. Bottles of booze were unceremoniously smashed in New York City. The police commissioner himself personally dumped one hundred thousand dollars worth of liquor into the East River. Come on in Chicago. Barrels of Milwaukee lager will were tossed into Lake Michigan authorities were zealous. The government began employing specifically female agents go undercover to facilitate the raids the the most famous of whom went by the nickname lady who hunter weirdly. That's my drag name now. I'm not lying when I tell you that. The actual lady who under quit the second. She was assigned a desk job. She was who hunter you gotTa lock her up. Despite all those efforts prohibition of course was a massive failure people still drank bathtub. Gin speakeasy bootlegging booze cruises took passengers beyond our territorial waters as as a way to bypass the law organized crime flourish gangsters had a massive new revenue stream after all thanks to smuggling alcohol and the huge demand for it it prohibition was ineffective at achieving its stated aims it was also a huge strain on the economy and bread a huge and malevolent new species of gangsterism gangsterism federal state and local governments lost billions of dollars in tax revenue was an engine of misery and failure on the Great Depression hit. There was a massive push to finally be done with it. And have prohibition overturned in part because it might provide an economic boost. Protesters took to the streets with signs. That said we want beer. And I'm no Kimmel. I want beer took almost fourteen years. But prohibition was finally gotten red finally overturned in one thousand nine thirty three and that leads me to the best new thing in the world. The anniversary this Centennial of prohibition I feel is a timely reminder that at sometimes our country makes terrible terrible decisions decisions that caused terrible harm to this country and to our to its inhabitants. But one we do that we should remember that we can change our minds. We can undo those things we can get smarter and resolve to never do those things again again. We are capable of growth and learning as a country and that is the best new thing in the world. Today cheers does tonight. I will see you again. Very soon Actually see you tomorrow morning when it will be a guest on. Am Joy at ten am eastern time. That's tomorrow morning. I will also tell you on Sunday nights starting at ten PM Eastern. MSNBC is going to re air her both of the parts of my interview with love again Sunday night ten pm the meadow show weeknights at nine on MSNBC ABC. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit down. 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Clayton Johnson, Jon Batiste & Faye Dunaway?

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Clayton Johnson, Jon Batiste & Faye Dunaway?

"The holiday season is happening. Were officially in it. Because it's you know. We're basically at or after halloween. Which means the holidays begun and the first holiday in my holiday season is josh birthday and so i got an birthday. I'm going to speak quietly. Because i got him his birthday gift on this year. I vintage store on solar only on seo stuff like that like vintage special very unique. I also discuss something on for our friend not for the holidays but our friend just had a baby and one of my favorite things to get on. Oetzi are these handmade baby moccasins. And i got her a pair for his tiny feet now and a pair for one. He starts to speed for a little while. I hope she's an okay. She'll get this by the time she hears this year. Gifts will have an extra meaning this holiday season. That's for sure and oetzi is where we go clearly to shop for extra special meaningful gifts that are handmade or handpicked for the people. We love giving a gift from at sea makes the people. We're giving it to feel seen. I think so. I think that's true. And in a world of mass production we love to shop at t gifts that are truly unique gifts that we can't find anywhere else from creative. Handmade pieces like those moccasins. We were talking about two one of a kind vintage ones glasses at. Bobby's getting josh for his birthday to things that are personalized adjust for the people. Were giving them to. I can't wait for josh to see these glasses. Got loved going to be so happy. To see a little moccasins. A little bits feedback goto dot com slash gifts to shop meaningful gifts for the people. You love this holiday season. That's dot com slash gifts. They wanted no welcome to who weekly the podcast. Where you'll learn everything you need to know at the celebrities. Who don't i'm bobby finger weber and quitting the daily mail. The opposite brian. Baumgartner in his twenty twenty top earner on cameo with over one million dollars for recorded shoutouts. I thought that was a pretty delightful finding and also it makes so much sense to me. You know in a way like a total who a favourite from a very specific show watched by old and new people old and young people not new old and young people. Are you new. In a way. There are new people. Gen z sort of their new people. There new there. Now are you new here. Yes and apparently he's known for making very good cameos like he puts a lot of care to them. Because apparently it's a full time job. It's probably more fun than making a podcast like his office. Ladies you know oh you mean like compared to his former co workers exactly if the end of the year payday. Where the same would you choose to make cameos everyday random people or do a podcast once a week with your old co worker. All i would choose the podcast cast over. Let's call it five days a week just doing cameo after cami. No preparation i. I would choose the podcast. I'm sorry like still no edit in come on cameos you remember doing Cameos are rough like year or one day. We've told the story you're at the mercy of people and it's a lot of work to come up with a unique thing for every person. They're all doing the same shed happy. Congratulations i'm just saying it takes like it's tough. It takes skill to be the person who's like really excited about a cameo each time and for how many this guy did like he really has the skill him. We talked about him. We talked about delay hill. There are people who put in the work but it really is. It's hard to put in this work duly. How did not make the top list. The top list was kind of weird. Is he michael. Rapaport rappaport which is why. Why why ryan. Baumgartner make sense. And i don't even watch the office. I'm like oh. I recognize that face. I know that character. I understand why an office. Dan would want this side character as the gold standard. Michael rapaport what are you asking him to say. Like what even is like his. Does he have like a catch. Phrase is a podcast right. That's like his his thing to. I don't know what the draw is eight. I don't know and then you have Shark tanks kevin o'leary which is yeah. That guy needs more money for sure. Actor sean astin. Okay okay Nostalgic perez hilton which is also kind of weird Sonja morgan from real housewives of new york that got to me and singer debbie gibson. That's really showing the age bracket of people who are paying cameos. I know there's more to you have a cure it gilbert godfrey which makes sense to me. Who's james murray. Do you know. He's a comedian. He's one of the impractical. David and anne who t- who i think are like youtube people you to comedian types. Some website estimated how much they made. Although i feel like this is not accurate and then when of happening was i guess the soup soup man from seinfeld was on this list and then he got mad that kamioka revealed what he made and what own. I was like okay. This is just too much drama. This is too much drama because this revealing this information is clearly like pr. you know. It's like well look. How much like like the offices brian. Baumgartner is making a million dollars on cameo like look what you. Meanwhile they take twenty five percent. So i mean they're also making a million dollars more than a million and where they reveal the new york times podcast like not. It wasn't like some bachelorettes podcasts. It was a high profile new york times. Not some bachelorettes podcast. And you know what i mean. Yeah okay. let's not put podcasts. Above other podcasts. On the same shady level here do you want to move onto comments. Yeah this is. Who's there are weekly call in show where we take your questions. Comments concerns share. You don't wanna talk about the lady gaga oreo go. You don't want to discuss it anymore. I wanted to talk about the league. Oriole i didn't want to dwell on the lady gaga or we talked about it for now a month in the four. What i'm saying is i clicked on the near time story. That was headlined we asked why does oriole keep releasing new flavors. It's a story about like it's actually really interesting because it's so obvious because it's like oh because it keeps people interested and always reminds people that the oj is. The best essentially is what the story is about. And so it's like we're constantly just releasing new flavors because number one novelty cells because their trash and because they keep the demand for the regular ones whatever and to be fair to that like assessment. It's honestly true. Like if you try a new oreo flavor and you're like yum yum. It's still like the best. The best one is the. Og like yes. Maybe a little mint a maybe into a little mint but not really. But i still go back to the original. Yeah oh totally. I think this is sort of the nugget here. It says sales or not. The point novelty orioles. According to mr parnell play a much purer role to help drive consumers back to milk's alleged favorite the one hundred year old patrick familiar as the plain old or in other words. The new flavors function as advertisements. The original sales were up twelve percent for novelty flavors. Classic sales were up twenty two percent. Okay that's not the point. I clicked this. Because i was like. I wonder. if they're gonna mentioned the lady gaga orioles. How could they not listeners. They mentioned it in the lead of the story is that why orioles would be topical right now. I get that. They're like topical always are so classic. But i mean we're talking about lady gaga orioles. Because i'm like when can i get one. Oh my god. I signed up. I'm an idiot. i signed up. I sent you the thing for some reason. I signed up for the website. Wait like the lady gaga. Stan army oreo website and it says as a lady gaga x orioles stan club member. You'll be you'll be the first to find out what any news drops and i'm like. What am i even sign up for like a specific stand website for these lady gaga. Although and that is what i am signing for and you can create these oreo grams in which lady says like gimme a cookie or whatever and then like send them to friends or actually can't even send them. I had to screen. I dislike screen. Capture that and send it to. You don't have that on the back end yet. Be careful out there. Be careful out there. Let's go into comments finally okay. Fine islandia bobby Longtime the center. Sometimes i call. This is the second time you discussed the chain smokers. And i think like less than two months and again you have called alex. Now hot one. I don't know if you have the mixed up or you guys actually that but he is widely considered to not be not one drew. The hot chain smoker. If you google chain smokers tonight. We're not eighty. It's babe we don't have the mixed up where we have is. We know who the hot one is. We know the hot one. We've known we now sorry. I'm looking at drew. Taggart like not for me. If he's for you that's great. I just gold. Which which chain smoker is the hottest. Let's see what comes back with this Not really getting any good responses here. No one's really written out. But if you google literally if you go hot chain smoker and you look at google images drew is a lot of them are together because there are a little joined at the hip but win. There is a solo photo. It is drew. The first image result is drew. I'm seeing a lot of them together. I can't make a really can't make a call from this one. I wonder together. My eyes keep very towards the hot one. So it's not the hot one. He's not he's not no sorry. We've made our decision. Our decision is final. Multiple calls multiple calls about wrong. You're wrong no in weekly cannon. We make the rules. And he's not the hot ones so we know the hot one is. His name is alex. Andrew alex's name is alex. Be much lady gaga. Oreo looking at photos of alex. Paul being like these people are crazy lady gaga oreos and my dream my fantasy right. Okay next call. Hey so. I'm sure they get this call like fifty times but chris. Massey is a person who's a who. He was an actor if zoe one and his brother tile massey's who from that so reason inquiry in the house so Make with that. What you will inch krenz. There is an actor deemed. Chris massey christmasy christmasy like in the hallmark slash. Lifetime movie. i got which now. I already forgot what it was on. Maybe lifetime maybe hallmark. Whatever and he is an actor. He's best known for being on zoe. win on. this show keeps going back to zoe one and one for some reason. I can't believe we have even another's away when one call what you should play just right after this because you have to connect them. But i remember his brother kyle massey. He was cory in the house. Remember that show cory in the house third. Yes his name was kyle. i guess. Apparently he had a brother named chris and they were also on the parkers. They had a music video called that they released under the name. The massey boys according to wikipedia. Don't remember this and prissy music of his own but he was known for being on. Zoe went to one and some ads. Commercials or whatever. So it's true. There is a kris massie. A chris. Christmasy bobby lindsay. It's calling. I am listening to your episode from this week. And you're talking about szanto jeffries. And i need you to discuss the zoe. Wanna one revival. That was like produced by her or she was involved with or she produced like the theme song updated the theme song by jamie spears and there was a lot of tiktokers. Were a part of this event and it was like very strange. Sort of like a not a revival but reunion band but somehow entirely focused on tiktokers. I don't know very confusing. I saw it On my news feed awhile ago and and needed to learn more so if you could discuss bath angle of jeffries. I would love to understand why she was involved with that project so Thank you crunch. Crunch love you. This is question slash comment. It's mostly a comment was like beyond like my time like i miss that i was. It was so far beyond our time. We didn't engage with that. But i understand it and also i remember when we talked about jamie lynn spears being not new show like Sexy knockoff knowle's sleep. Magnolias magnolia jamie. Lynn spears room. Zoe so i know care about her and i know people care about this show. I personally don't but apparently people hated this. This like the united. They did like a whole production. It wasn't even like oh we're doing zoom reunion. It's like g gorgeous. Was there who has nothing to do with the original so many had nothing to do. I guess it's like they put in people who cared about the original your naming like at like actresses who were the age that they watched zoe one. Oh one is that joe. Was that the point. If that's the point it's not made explicit in the video. Yeah it's a weird video. The video was is sort of massey is in it. They were capitalizing on. They were capitalizing on like kovic reunion trends or people were like we're going to do a zoom or union but this is also sort of tied by the press. The skits is that not only did. They reunite to redo the theme song. Which really isn't a redo. It's just like a slightly remixed version by shantelle jeffries. Who's a dj. Who did all that. She's in the video too but like unclear what her role is in zoey. One wanna one. No she was not so like. She's literally there to do the song like she's supposed to do this. I made the song. Okay interesting in the video. She her role is like. I'm the assistant director or something. She's like pretending to be a director. With jamie lynn spears. It's really just a video for this new remake of the song. The lyrics aren't change. You can see the comments which we'll get into in a second comments are confused. Because they were. I thought you would at least re-write the lyrics but they didn't and so i thought to answer to the main question that the caller had which was why shantelle jeffries i thought well. Maybe they were friends because they seem like they're the same age sort of similar vibes. No because i watched an interview with them. Or i wasn't sure if this is the one i watched the one i read. But jamie's like we had to talk over zoom and see if we had chemistry like jamie sorta reveals that it's not like they were old friends. It's unclear why shantelle was involved. It's also weird because they literally left out people who definitely would have been in this who were in the just and replace them with tiktok like victoria justice who literally just released a single. Did you notice that like she a new song a song and definitely would have done press like whatever would have reunited for the press. At least i mean. I don't know i'm just saying like austin butler was on. This show victoria. Justice was on the show and they missed a lot of them and kind of like quote unquote replace them as the common said with these like tiktokers you know. Yes so the comments read. It's going to read some choice. Comments that are up at the top of the page zoe. This happened in late october. They released this. Zoe went two one with my childhood. I don't understand why tiktok our so called influencers have to ruin it. This is a disgrace in an absolute disappointment. Cure rosa said. I can't believe you all couldn't wait for victoria. Alexa paul and kristen but got some relevant tiktokers instead cheap. Aj says i'm confused by whatever this was lexi h am i the only one that doesn't understand why josie watson this lexi h you are. Not reese william says as a huge fan of one. I was highly disappointed in this quote reunion guy. Haskins says you're not much of a fan and spiderman response to guy haskins and says you're not much of a fan if you like this childish nonsense to keep but real fans would recognize hard work and talent to recreate the song video. Really don't but like it is kind of crazy that they left out some of the main stars like a. I don't really know a ton about the show but like if you go to the media it's the people are mentioning like paul and alexa or whatever or like a main characters main. Not they're like second build you know and so. I was watching these videos of zoe. Promoting this video and along with chantal. Jeffries and i realized what was actually happening was that this is sort of like as far as i can tell. This is like stepping putting their toes in the water. They're testing the waters. To see. If a reboot will make sense because janey says this and one of the interviews halfway through on a play the clip for you here and the fans were very upset about it so we. It was great that we did this music video. 'cause we actually got real feedback from the fans. It's like what they want and they really want that. Oh jeez zoe vibe. So that's what we it was. When we're having those created conversations about moving forward with the show it was nice to be able to give that feedback like look. We have proved right here. Look at what the fans are saying they want. Is that what jamie lynn spears sounds like. That was my next topic of conversation. I did not know that was her voice. How does she still have accents. Honey i love it. Louisiana today live in louisiana or something also god. I just remembered. I was looking at this way one wikipedia and the guy who created it is like sketchy as fuck dan schneider member all those allegations like oh about shady with like young actresses because he created all these young people like this show. Like i don't like i just feel like this is absolutely not going to happen. I do believe that zoe is having talks. I believe that she's down to do it. But if i mean the lizzie mcguire reboot is officially not happening. I can't see them doing what i want you know. Why would they started on the lizzie. Mcguire even this video clearly shows if it's a proof of concept it's not what Hail hilary duff and lizzie. Mcguire reboot team. Wanted for that show. That show has its had it on. Its own kind of failure of concept if you have been following along. It's like hillary duff straight up wanted lizzy mcguire to like be a mature adult. Like you know what i mean and no one else did. And i think that's where things went crazy. Yeah but you can read about that if you want so we're talking about hey hobbies so I was just hit the pause hardware. You guys were talking about the jobs because Speaking of like children of giants Bill gates's daughter jennifer gauge is also a Like horse girl. She's an equestrian but also she also graduated from stanford which is like. I guess they're just like that's the path that you go on if you were the daughter of attacks billionaire or something anyway Apparently against each other according to this article for business insider anyways Inside french french. Yeah so eve. Jobs and jennifer gates have competed against each other in equestrian events which is crazy to me. Their father's competed against each other in the tech world. The tech sphere no. It's very pirates of silicon valley. Very very but we got a few calls. That are being like. Oh she's this girl's not the only nepotism and they're all covered in on the website horse and hound dot co dot uk. Because i was reading. I kept googling them in. this website. kept coming up. I'm being like. I have ten things you gotta know about jessica springsteen a gay you know horse horse lover and i was like i'm reading all these reading. All of these horse and hound horse and hound. I what does that make you think of. Oh nottingham go. Ding ding ding. Orson hound right to films. Great and I just was wondering whether you ever thought of having more Horses in it. Well we have liked to but it was difficult. Obviously being sent in space. I mean does this surprise me like horseback riding is like the most expensive maybe not the most. I'm sure people could name whatever just feels like the most expensive sport you could get into the costs involved in learning how to do this crap crazy now. I knew someone called my friend. Because i haven't seen them in forever. But i knew someone whose mother worked in horse sperm sales. And i was like what. Yeah 'cause horse sperm. And so they need someone to harvest. I collect collect ca because she collects it like you actually unlv. I mean that was among her. Many jobs the stables but it's so expensive like if you go to of course semen dot guests no guests. How much like a like. I don't even know a bucket. i don't know like a vial of vile of horse burmese. We're talking. we're talking like a around thousand dollars plus for every like well. Yeah book again. I don't really know out teams come. It's not that much and it doesn't surprise me. And i think they have. Obviously they have places you can go to breed your horses with. Yeah bucket of sperm. That you've i can't with the with what you've purchased. Yeah of course. I mean that's a whole industry very genuinely suggest you look at these websites because the they provide like will they provide. It's fascinating they provide like Entire history so it's like oh. This is helium. there's this particular breed of horse and their mom did this and their dad did this. And they like no all the the family history of these horses and like oh. This is good stock. This is why this particular specimen is thirteen hundred dollars as opposed to like some bullshit six hundred and fifty dollar bucket a sperm. It's it's funny. It's interesting and i was like. Oh well good business. Good business anyway next call. Hey lindsay bobby. I have An additional theory to kind of help support your case as to why tintern foul follows. Cheryl cole I do think that probably it wasn't a steak for the finger in a search in my only Kind of supplemental theory. I guess to yours. You know tina. Turner lives in a castle in switzerland. So is the search function of instagram. Like the have the geo location into account when i when searching coming because maybe you know since she's closer to the uk. In switzerland share cheryl cole is the popular than maybe share is at this given tignes. Maybe show called came up. I i don't know just just another theory Crunch crunch think we got tweets about this too great theory. I love this. This is this is great. These great theories. Totally i mean. We only tested the search function like within our own phones. Meaning like geo tagged to here. So share came up first. But you're right. Maybe if you're abroad. Maybe if you're in switzerland honestly do i even think that tina turner herself was doing the following. I don't know we don't know where the person who's doing the following we've been we've been over this with dion we've been over this with other people with their social media like eight. It's not. we're not entrepreneur. That tina was the one who even set this thing up. Should we actually use this as a way to talk about the email that we got. I'm not sure i don't. I don't want to reveal this person identity but somebody did email us a link to the social media company that seems to be the one hundred percent sure. It's the one who started the elf on the shelf. The celebrity on celebrity mean because literally they represent all of the celebrities who were the ones that started spreading this thing so clearly they were in the background being like okay. We're gonna post this here. We're going to post this here. Here's mark ruffalo. Here's nicole kidman. Here's what of that like we. It's clear lindsay sends me a link and i it feels weird even say the name of the company but like i not okay. Well she sends me a link to this place called digital media management and it's literally digital media management dot com and lindsey goes. Just watch the first video like no context out of nothing this morning. And i'm watching the video and it's this sort sizzle reel and as people appear onscreen. It's all the people from the terrible mean down to kate. Walsh and i was like oh. I immediately put it together. I was like these are the people who did the terrible mean. We have our proof. We have proof literally starting with elizabeth banks. It's just putting that there were literally called. Dm called digital media management. They're the most innis as we were talking about these companies being kind of unassuming on purpose. They're the most unassuming company that does this role. But okay we don't need to. I mean we don't need to but it was. It was to have something approaching proof. Go yeah. I think we're pretty much. I think we're pretty much convinced that this was a A scheme and. I hope you're happy. Let's move on to questions if you think you may be depressed. You're feeling overwhelmed or anxious. Better help online. Counseling offers licensed professional therapists. Who are trained to listen and to help with issues including anxiety grief. Depression relationship conflicts difficulty sleeping. Lgbtq matters trauma anger family conflict self esteem and more simply fill out a questionnaire to help. Assess your specific needs and then get matched with your counselor in under forty eight hours easily schedule secure video or phone sessions plus exchange ltd messages to communicate with your therapist at your convenience. Everything you share is confidential. If for any reason you're unhappy with their counselor you can request a new one at any time at no additional charge. Join the one million. 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Time too distracted. But i just got an email from us weekly. That long ago raised engaged with them winning clean. Johnson and i scream because i went to youth group with him And i had no idea that he was standing on adult right He's an he wasn't army but he was definitely very hot and youth group. I think it seems like he moved to. La is musician. But i definitely had a crush on him and knew him as a team. And i feel i just. It's not interesting. I just had to call you by you. Know all right so we honestly don't even doing anything further like this guy is hot. This guy is nor me and this guy is allegedly according to us weekly us weekly is confirming it which is crazy us weekly us. We can confirm these two are engaged because a source told us. Even though lana del rey has not commented or said anything about it and then the other websites are all saying like allegedly allegedly allegedly but like e. news is saying according to people according to us weekly. She's engaged so like i don't really understand how they must have a very solid source because i'm just saying like they're saying the coffee tale like they started dating in august when they fall each other on instagram. Or something and maybe they. We think they met on updating app. We think we think they on riot which araya tracks and now. She's wearing a a ring on her ring finger. Which like some be. I'm like that doesn't mean you're engaged. But i guess like they've they've confirmed i think it means they're engaged the way she wore the ring. She wore the ring for attention like she grabs the mike because she was on jimmy fallon show and perform a song grabbing the mic. With the rang the photo of her sort of like doing bird wings where she's like. Ea and her hands behind her Everything's intentional like none of the none of the shots of the rings at the fans. Have our mistakes timmy. They read like very intentional. Like pseudo subtle reveals of the ring. If this is a lie like what the hell sorta of fucking lie at to come up with clayton johnson as the fiance came out of left field. I just don't it's too ridiculous to be ally. i knew whatever it is. I'm just happy. She's not engaged. That cop like that guy sean larkin. He was no good. I'd rather be with like a like a cutie. Little puppy dog nor me dude from modesto than that weird cop that weird famous cop who hosted the terrible show. You know just the worst and so does it surprise me at all that lana had a rushed engagement that she literally met this guy an app and then got engaged him a few months later not at all not in the slightest no. She's sort of revealed herself to be a real kind of like ignorant idiot over the past like nine months. I mean i mean. She's had a lot of bad press for understandable reasons. Why not just like have some like random normally hunk. Yeah truly why not so. Who is this guy. His name is clayton johnson. He is a musician. He has performed in many many bands in. he's got like the. He's a real hometown hero. This guy. he's done it all. I feel like he's been in bands with his two brothers as the caller said chantrey and connor. Chantrey is also a musician. Chancery gantry chantrey when you look at shanties bio i think he's like i think he's like a one of those people like one of those like working who's like guitarist for sort of whoever needs a guitarist because it's like totally played guitar applied he's played guitar for demi levato studio. He's a yeah and i think that's sort of a clayton. Johnson was up to two because he's been so many he was brought into this band. This very to weeny bopper band called Studio sunrise a lot of people. Because i guess stereos skyline opened for good charlotte third and maybe the jonas brothers or something like they were like lot of people really tweet like people we follow or whatever tweet like oh my god not stereo skyline. Like they remember them. If you were a disney tween in two thousand eight you were like oh you loved these guys. You loved these. I'm i remember going to see bands. When i was at that very precious age and the openers would always be the guys that you kind like follow and we're like i saw them. I i knew them. I you know like they were like i saw black eyed peas open for no doubt. And i like mike. Ip's like and it was like very early them. It's funny because they're yo yeah. It was early early for pre furger post for. But i think it was post burgh but it's funny stereo skyline. He's from a desktop but the band was from east meadow which is where my mom was born. Really yeah long island zone. are first known for the song uptown get around and it was in the suite. Life movie like the sweet life was zack. And cody on a play a clip of this terrible song right now because i cannot believe it inside ads. You never cool. Did a lot of members lot of members lot a lot of people so clayton was only in it for a couple of years. He was brought onto the guitarist. He's sort of like if we're talking about a classical handsome norms. He's the hottest one of all of them will he. They gave him the like kind of haircut to fit in with them but he clearly is a honk gave him the haircut to fit in with them to sort of like flat iron bangs with ski sides and sort of like feathered everything really weird very specific and they gave him that haircut and his like hungriness seemed to reject it like million the photos. You can tell him. There is definitely revolting playing the guitar in the background he left. I think literally a year after he joined because he wanted to start a thing with another guy from there. That went nowhere called black. And i'm gonna play this. Listen to this clip. I loved the description of this clip. That i found black because not much context from black. It's a failed little side project but the description. I found an interview with this website. Buzz net and buzz net is interviewing clayton. And who was the other guy. Some something Brian maddox talking about black and the description is last week. Michael danny vitale. And i interviewed the music. Do a black. It was so much fun being able to interview the guys in black considering. Brian is my boyfriend. Clayton his brother. This this is black first interview since leaving their old band stereo skyline. Hope you enjoy be sure to check out there. I'm using music. I mean the only black is recognized in band is b. l. a. q. u. e. Sorry yes they're the only ones lack nice. You can't be b. L. a. c. No no you are you. You're the hell out of here. I feel like the last thing we need to say about. This person is when. I posted the video on who yesterday and tweeted the the video. Someone who doesn't follow weekly the tweet and re tweeted it with a quote honestly. It's an upgrade from the men. She dated before which is true. That's what i'm saying. It's like i we. Have you know as lana fans who think a lot about her and like her music but are very confused by everything else she does in her live the mash mask etc the office yet but also the not understanding black lives matter notes app. She posted earlier this year. And all of that and it's we're we're always looking for like who's the real lana. What's the truth. Because she's kind of a nick ma right but like i guess ultimately what we always come back to us that she's like super nor me like her kind of taste and her aesthetic and her whatever like even though she put on this kind of like pinup girl five she always like it makes sense for her to live in southern california and data guy from modesto himmy like this kind of basic studio guitarist with pop punk history. Make all make sense like really really makes sense. Okay so this is future bobby. I couldn't actually end with that. Because while i was looking up. More footage of this guy clayton. I was like what's the earliest instance of these to being mentioned together. And i guess fans had put together. They were dating before the media. Did you know there are very good at finding photos and like connecting the dots so at some point it seems like lana stan's emailed this youtube tarot person who goes by clear path guidance and tarot on youtube. And they asked how lana del rey and clayton. Johnson's relationship is going if it would last and this person made a thirteen minute long video about it and here's a clip. I mean spoiler alert. They don't think it's gonna last. Hello everybody and welcome to clear path. Guidance and tarot. I'm gonna do update on land delray and clayton. I've had a few people email me wanting update on them. They are now. I guess dating i did a couple of ratings on them and Never felt anything going on. I don't know if it's because there wasn't and right now it's starting up. There was my dog every time i start doing video. He does this. So i don't know if i just don't feel that there's a connection here between the two of them I'm surprised that they're dating. I have gone online to see pictures of the tool of the. I can't find anything between the two of the high who weekly I have a little holiday time mystery for you So i work for a company in the us that is having some sort of grim and nominated person in for virtual holiday party. And we're not a big company so it's definitely a who and we've been provided clues so that we can slough out who it is I'm really bad at googling. And you're really good at googling. Might like to try to figure out who it is As like a fun little guessing game. Okay so the clues. We received two so far. Are it's a grammy nominated special. Surprise guests They've performed with the greats. Such as stevie wonder prince. Willie nessin nelson lenny kravitz and edgier in and they've been featured in ad campaigns for chase bank apple. Watch kate spade and coach to name a few anyways I would love if you could use your powers for good and helped me figure out who this who who is in advance of our holiday celebrations. So i can decide whether it's worth than multiple hours all right. Thanks bye crunch crunch. This call came in. I was like. I'm in national treasure. This is my moment. I have to find out who this person is like. This is such a fun game. I know you got on immediately. Like i didn't even hear this call and you'd already kind of started sleuthing who it is but then there was a twist. The caller provides all this information right. It's like grammy nominated stevie wonder prance willie. Nelson lenny kravitz. Ed sheeran. that's a weird variety of people by any on run. Any of a one off performance blah blah blah blah nominated. I thought was very important. So then like campaigns for kate spade apple watch coach. Okay so my gendered sexist brain is like it must be a woman so i start looking up ad campaigns i because i was like the number of people that they have performed with this too broad for me to really like find a needle in that. Haystack someone start with the ad campaigns. So i started looking at ad. Campaigns for apple watch like apple watch doesn't do many celebrities. I found a couple of that was like every apple. Watch commercial ever. I was watching it. And i see like selena gomez once it was like selena gomez. Maybe it's leaning us know. That doesn't really count nick. Jonas so nick jonas the first name that pops out and i was like fuck. It's nick jonas. I find that he's performed with some of the people that they mentioned in a way. He was grammy nominated. He's ever won that's him. I even text the caller. I'm pretty sure. It's nick jonas. But i'm gonna figure this out on the call me episode. It's famous is little too famous for what she describes what the caller said when they texted back they were like. I don't think our company can do nick. Jonas colleague was gracious to your prediction but did not think so. Yeah so what i do is what's so stupid is that i fall into this whole i sir trying to find like every possible kate spade ad that i can think of because i'm like kate spade is going to be the way in here still rough. It's not helping me out. And so i listened to the call again. I'm just like i need that. A hamam like what. Can i fucking do here. This is stupid l. look at all. These coach adds nothing. And then i realized i'm an idiot. They just named so many people right. They named so many brands including chase. Because i saw nick. Jonas also did a chase at. That wasn't anything that made me that. Meeting jonasson huh. I'm fucking it says right in the call. I don't want google so i'm like okay. This person is a who like the caller said because their company is not powerful cheese code. Exactly it's chico. The answer is right in front of me if you are a who. There's probably a very explicit and detailed bio of you somewhere. I bet you that this company is lazy and just pulled it from something. They googled and so i just typed in stevie wonder prince. Willie nelson lenny kravitz appalachian chase and then at the end. Grammy nominated and guess what i fucking found numb almost near the top google result. John batiste because somewhere on some website on the internet he gave someone a bio and the bio was all of that ship. Right and i was like. Oh it's him. I'm kate spade at his co. chat. I found all the stuff that he's appeared. And yes he is a fucking musician. He's a jazz musician. He is the bandleader on the late. Show the teams. He's played with so many musicians for because he's this extremely classically trained musician. Who played every co bears bandleader for a good amount of time. Yeah so i was like oh god this is a stupid. I spent an hour looking this and it was the easiest thing in the world and that makes more sense than nick makes much more sense. It's true yes it's so job. Tees up play some of his music here. It is gotta say stunning so enjoy Got to be him. There's no way it's not him to the caller tell us a for raw. I mean you have to know if you're wrong. But i think he talks us. Yeah he's everywhere in terms of like brands because he does do a lot of ad campaigns and stuff. he's also an actor he was in tra may. Did you know that. He developed his piano skills by taking classical music. Lessons and transcribing songs from video games such as street alpha final fantasy seven and sonic the hedgehog. Ooh he transcribed the my favorite. Sonic the hedgehog music the the metal level. What's it called lawler obsessed with. Oh it's called lake them. Metalzone medal level. Hold on i got gotta have. We played on the podcasts green hill zone. It's not green zone. It's called early enough. To scientist played is called green hill zone. The gianbattista played chemical plant. Yes carrying let's play it. Yeah tell me. That's not like a charlie. Come on like somebody. Cover the chemical plant zone level music. It is fucking amazing teeth. I know you're out there listening. He's from new orleans. Which explains if you're into jazz. Because he grew up around it but he literally grew up because so many people in his family where musicians but like we said he went to juilliard which really helps explain why he's performed with so many people i was google imaging him and i found him with the same. I was dating one. Because i google i google image him. I mean if it's who we have to talk about like if they're because like we always have if they are dating we must. I found the same person in all these photos. And i was like not to jump to conclusions but it seems like this might be his girlfriend turns out of this his girlfriend and she's sort of like pseudo famous. She's not really a who but she's notable who i would call gianbattista who this person who not the same. But she's notable her name asuka jawad. She's a writer. Actually remember comes out next year. And i saw that lizzie. Gilbert lizzy gobert loved it lizzie over it. Got the lizzy. Gobert seal of approval says this is a deeply moving and passionate work of art. Quite unlike anything. I've ever read. I will remember these stories for years to come because silica jawad has imprinted them upon my heart. That's like imagine wanting a better blurb so okay so she wrote this memoir about how she survived like a terminal cancer diagnosis when she was in her twenties and so now she's like a motivational speaker and she goes on the radio and talks about like what she learned from her. Brush with death. She did a tedtalk. That's very popular and famous. She launched some thing that got kind of popular at the beginning of the pandemic called the isolation journals. I went to the website. It's like a fully fleshed out blog slash website slash newsletter where she like speaks about isolation and loneliness in this way that's connected to the pandemic so it's like you have these two very creative people who were in this honestly very new yorkie cutie relationship I love a call just opens the door to to people. I'd never heard of 'cause. I don't really want to the late show and i never really. I wouldn't have been able to name this guy by nine. That's how i actually remembered him. I was like oh. Isn't that the like the guy who was the bandleader on the late show. Well thank you caller and also you're welcome galler that sam. Welcome collar the holidays. Can you believe. I mean. I know where there's a very Love lights hannukah situation. There's a very love lights on. Because you're not i see it. 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I mean like nonstop everywhere at least everywhere. He takes his energy. He's like how can i make this place. The most toxic version of what it is tiktok is defined by the people who are on and present and it was like you know. I'm going to take what they're doing. Use it and then also add my own topic behavior and make it fully disgusting and so disgusting that all of the teams don't even know who the fuck i am. Realize talks guy am and then petitioned for me to get removed from the platform successfully successfully. And i think some people are like. Oh this says a lot talks just willing to remote to ban people for no reason data. It's like you don't know president. And then because even though i didn't really see what he was doing on tiktok i think i counted at a time and i was like i was never showed me this content again. Never shown me this content again. I have a feeling from knowing everything there is from what he's done before is that he was being terrible. He was literally bullying teenagers literally. Teenagers right what did he say he was like. This is inappropriate for fifteen roles like he was. He was truly being like the adult in the room. And it's like just like leave the room. Why don't you just leave the room instead of being the adult in the room. It is weird. Because i think about this a lot because like yes. Sometimes we in our where to people in our thirties and yes. Sometimes we talk about teenagers to like. And i am and you wanna make sure that you're not just like two old people like saying mean things about teenagers so something like this. I'm always like oh interesting. But i think press holton. It's like he's an anomaly like he always finds the way to be the most toxic literally can't help himself even in this even in this profile that he he did for the new york times he ends up being like wine. Press helton and like i can do my shtick anywhere. Like i'm bigger than one app. Like people will seek me out. It's like i'm excited for the feature. It's like i don't know. I after after sobbing in a youtube video to have charlie demilio reinstate him on tiktok. It's just like he knows that was a stunt and he knows that he can do this stunt over and over again until the end of time. I mean i think he's gonna dig on cameo because now as you learn earlier in this episode. He's making big bucks on. Cameo people are fucking hiring this guy to send messages to their friends and family but you know he's also got his website. He's got all this stuff in the book. He loves the attention he doesn't feel like it's negative attention for making video where he's about getting back on tiktok you know. I think that's the point like he's extremely the boy who cried wolf to me like he always will be. It's really hard. i mean. It feels callous away. But like you show me a video of someone like pouring their heart out and sobbing over the way they were treated and i might feel a little bit of sympathy regardless of who it is but he's burned so many times i don't i don't believe it. I just don't believe it. I'm like you know you know how this works would be doing this for fifteen years. It's hard for me to feel sympathy for this guy. And he well he does like also he's always for selling fake ernest society. Kind of like thing where he a good guy on. It's like come on like come on like you invented. This kiss gossip this type of gossip reporting that spread throughout the internet. That is now considered to be like fully toxic. And this is because of what you were doing it so weird. It's so strange. But he has actual fans he has real. He is a real fandom like. I'm looking at a video that he posted with the title is this is one of the most powerful things i've ever done and it's like he now he's going all pasi okay. He's going all policy and people in the comments like go peres like good energy way to have the good energy and i'm like who is out of your standing present and do all that money in the new york times story from a seventeen year old tiktoker with quote nearly twenty thousand followers. Their name is grace honeycutt quote. I think it was a good decision for him to be banned. He used his platform to just throw around drama which was not a good thing to use his platform for. It's like thanks. Grace honeycutt seventeen year old tiktok but nearly twenty thousand followers shot at the taylor runs. Who wrote the new york times piece about this. And think that's really. There's all the say. I don't know i find pres- hilton so fascinating i just i. You know there's a lot there's a lot there and she's still around. You only know if you know you only know if you were there You know when. I was in college refreshing that blog relieving his blog talking about it with my friends. And all that like. It's but even perez was. I feel like we had similar blog. Consumptions of that in the mid and even perez was never really my shit like you read it because it was there but like dealer was where i went like a it could be really nasty too but even then you recognize that there was a difference between those two things that perez was always a little meaner and nastier and it wasn't as fun of course but the novelty of how he did. It was something i don't know i don't want to discount it and i don't wanna i don't wanna be dishonest about my own shade shady consumption habits when i was like getting i until like internet got like celebrity gossip and like you know you know whatever it is yeah feels weird until like i just looked on the paris hilton hotel for the first time in forever. It just feels to scroll through that. It's still just feels so dated and lost in time okay. Let's play a quick game of who are them to end this high. Who weekly truly my favorite. Podcast i mean is vain low. A who or them and also how did he become. This person. does apple own him. They don't have anyone else to enter such a weird drive and he. I don't know just such a peculiar way to live one's life And i just can't see us as to how he became this person. Like why not just have other interviews sometimes apple. Okay thank you goodbye. I don't think it's a weird job. I think it's a great job. it's like. Yeah he probably has one of the best jobs and radio and this dude hosted a radio show on bbc for from two thousand and three to fifteen. Like he's like i think the reason why and if this kind of what asking why apple like uses him a lot is because he has this genuinely long and good relationships with artists and they want to talk to him and i think that's the number one thing that apple's spotify whatever would want in somebody to host a music show they're like oh we want somebody who will bring in the musicians. Who are excited to talk to low. It's like part of the album release rollout. I guess he's less. He's kind of less famous here. But i think all anyone who really listens to music like no who like knows who he is. Because he's always attached people's rollout str- at practice or whatever and i didn't know journeys from new zealand he's new zealand he's koa i- but as who are them. I guess one two three them them. Yeah how many radio them's are there in two thousand twenty not many. I think there's a lot of people who are like this person is a local them to me. 'cause like i grew up regional radio on the radio but like in terms of like a kind of yeah i mean. I don't know it's like him and like in in in the uk. I always think of grimmie. Nick grimshaw to as being low. Yeah yeah because he's always doing those interviews my hometown radio heroes sonny anderson who is now a food network chef sunny in the morning. She was a radio host before she was a food network. Chef mine was matty in the morning for kiss one. Oh eight mattie siegel matt siegel host of matty in the morning. Kiss one away. That was the morning show. That was the pop the pop. I think he's still hosting it. I don't know. I haven't checked in with him in a while. No he's still. He's still hosting it. Since nineteen eighty-one he's seven years old. I've almost i mean i use spotify. This is not as spotify podcast and this is not an ad. But like the one thing that because i'm not going to pay for fucking both of those things the one thing that's almost gotten to pay for apple music over spotify is beats radio. Radio is cool as hell. I liked that. They have presenters and apple radio rules and i. I think that's why apple people would do apple streaming over spotify. That's the only reason sponsor radio is kind of has it but apple radio. Pretty cool quinn. When gaga did her radio show. Nikki did her radio show yearly. They do a good job getting people to really sign up and give a show the our good friend. Sean is a big stan of the koenig show time price which is only on apple anyways right. Hi lyndsay. I'm bobby margot martingale. Who is them. Margo martindale who were them. One two three who get out of here. I think it's because people are up. We've talked about this before people always makes up with a with an with an. Oh ann dowd and out. It was a huge for a while. You remember this. I'm not saying it for the first time. But she's also like a character actor she's meant to she's always meant to blend in. I think more recently. She's having a breakout of the vibe. But that's always she's always blending in was previously on retainer than my mouth So i think they might have like enter your lazy. Hear me or veterans getting through I just want to ask you. Albert brooks was a who were them I would argue that. I don't know my son. Younger gen z ash. Kids might not ever have decide finding nemo dad But i think it's an potential at one time so curious to hear you to say turn food chewing food says the person who called doc about their retainer for the first half albert brooks who were then i. This is tough. Because i feel like even weird too young to have been around like during peak albert brooks time of the eighties. But i do feel like. He had a resurgence because he his movies run. The criterion and people were kind of watching all them on criterion. But i guess. That's like a niche audience. And that wasn't everyone but just felt like there was like this conversation around albert brooks movies of recent. That was extremely niche. That was extremely. I did watch them books movies. I'd never seen before and it was great. Great albert brooks. I guess most famously for me insist broadcast news. You know modern daddy nemo daddy ending your life right playing the daddy nemo is the millennial brooks reference that is it. Yeah that's it for us. Well the caller said that the caller did. But i one two three. But like i'd be willing to say he was eighties them. He was maybe early nineties them. I'm willing to believe it but right now. I don't think that it. Because we were talking about tina turner and cher where there were like warwick where it's like the half-life has longer i guess go the half-life our our brooks a little shorter right. I just feel like he's he. He literally made the mold and yeah still. I think that he's not like he's been a little forgotten in terms of like a new generation. I'm gonna play the clip of albert brooks singing that one song and broadcast news because it always makes me laugh among jews juicy portland resulting deal decisively. Such do i was watching i watched. What's the one where defending your life and this is literally ripped off by every single thing. That's come out in the past five years like it's the good place it's like so many things have ripped that thing off anyway. Sorry there it's just like it's hilarious. I will i really like the good place until the last season. When i grew to almost hate it and then i had watched defending your life and in that interim and then i almost hated it more because i was like defending your life. Does everything good places so much more efficiently and quickly and in a more heartwarming way. It's like oh you can actually do this without. Cgi dozen such a more creative way like how good the food is and how big a part of the movie that is. It's like to do you. Don't need to make it look crazy or any sort of graphics or like show. It's just like unique things to appear. You just need a lady to bring you a plate of eggs. They look amazing and him go. This is the best eggs every in my whole life last last. Watch defending your life if you haven't last Who were them. Hey ramsey bobby. This is sam landis time listener i think third time caller So i manage a boutique in jacksonville. Florida and the craziest thing just happened to me. And i had to call you guys. Because i the only people who understand So being jacksonville. We don't usually get a lot of celebrities around here but we just had someone come into the store a day away who is a legendary silver screen. Actress came in and see it was kinda crazy. She kept asking questions. And then when i would her. She told me to stop chattering like every time she would ask the question and she was telling me to stop talking Which is kind of weird but also iconic at the same time And it got me wondering is faye dunaway. Who are is then. Because i kind of had to recognize the name but i had to google her. Because i couldn't remember like any movies that she was it. And i know she's kind of like an older to use that word actress Issue who are them and then at what point does and all them become again. Okay thank you bye. 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I need to update myself on that but faye dunaway. Who were them. We're going back to the albert brooks conversation. Unlike albert brooks one two three them. I think dante that faye dunaway doesn't go away. So that's how i feel. Data doesn't go away is what they say to ask you a question and then say stop chattering whenever you start answering it. It's so funny. I guess are using that more often like asking you to stop chattering stop chattering. I was just seeing. If there was any sort of interview with faye dunaway. were like. That's a word that she uses like and things. I can't find one but that definitely seems like like a fe as or something like that even though it was stoutly call stop chattering. I wouldn't be surprised if more people called in and they told me to stop chattering too. So if you've been told to stop chattering by faye dunaway call in. I feel like we're one of those like lake. One eight hundred like class action lawsuits. Have you been stopped. 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Rep. Swalwell on impeachment: America wont get a fair trial if witnesses dont testify

Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

20:15 min | 1 year ago

Rep. Swalwell on impeachment: America wont get a fair trial if witnesses dont testify

"Hi I'm Jonathan Martin. Welcome to Cape Up. The impeachment trial of President Donald Donald Trump gets underway trial and process. He has called fake a hoax and a witch hunt the congressman. Eric Swallow of California says the the president is absolutely incorrect as a member of both the house. Judiciary and house intelligence committees swallow. Well has been smack in the middle of the third impeachment of a president of the United States. Listen to break it all down right now congressman. Swallow thank you very much for being on the podcast. Of course. Thanks for having me on so the trial in the Senate begins. The president has already gone on. Record is calling it fake sham. A hoax were all used. The word him calling the whole impeachment process a witch hunt. You're in we're we're in a unique spot of being both on judiciary and intelligence. has this whole thing Ben. A witch hunt a hoax. It's a sham fake anything but that in actually. What's so remarkable? Is that with so few witnesses and so few documents we were able approve so much And I I told Dan. Goldman are lead investigator. Who'd worked for the Southern District of New York on so many high profile cases I sedan? You probably we never in your life have had a case of such great magnitude with so little to work with because the president one covers any witnesses when give us any documents but what what is revealing. Is that every time we get a new document. Not from the president usually like a public request or someone comes forward with every time we find a new witness they all reinforced. What we believe to know that the president was running this shakedown scheme? We've never seen a witness come forward or new document produced that goes in the other direction it continues to reinforce this shakedown scheme. Well I was about to ask you. You said you're able to get these documents through other means and testimony that you the the proof so much. What was proven yet so we proved that you know the president? From as early as the beginning of twenty nineteen hours was running this shakedown scheme with the Ukrainians where he was insisting that they had to even as far back as President Porsche Anka before presence Lindsay was elected that they they would have to conduct investigations to receive. US aid and investigations that would only benefit the president not benefit any American because it would relate to his political political campaign and so we saw that the president was at the center of the scheme. He wasn't you know an answer Larry Beneficiary of the scheme that he was directing the scheme. We saw that he ordered. Rudy Giuliani to really run this scheme. And you saw through Gordon Sean Lennon. Kurt Volker that the president said you know work with Rudy Eh. What it comes to Ukraine you saw in the New York Times Rudy Giuliani said. Back in May twenty nineteen were not meddling in an election were meddling in an an investigation and the we part there is so important. Because he's not talking about himself he's talking about he and president trump and then of course through the witnesses. This is who did have the courage to come forward. We saw through Dr Fiona Hill in the tenant. Curnow ihnen that there was a connection between investigations and the cranium getting getting a White House meeting. And then of course through Sunlen we later learned and Mulvaney at that was also tied to Ukrainians getting the aid. So with very little We saw the president put his own interests above ours above our national security and election integrity. So you mentioned Fiona Hill Lieutenant. Colonel Bandmann Ambassador Sunlen a person who didn't testify then but who were hearing a lot from now is Lev Parnis. Why didn't he testify during the hearings and both judiciary and intelligence you know? Mr Parnell was indicted for campaign finance crimes a during the early stages of our investigation. And as I understand it You know he had many of his electronic devices and documents. Documents and records seized by The southern district of New York prosecutors and did not have documents that he could produce to us and did not give us documents until just this past weekend and our investigators who've already got a lot of things to work with. Were able to go through a lot of devices documents. To produce some records that also reinforce that again there was a priority on getting the Ukrainians to do investigations. That Rudy Giuliani Elhiani. again was acting Donald Trump's agent and that marie-yvonne which was someone that they had to smear in clear to run this corruption campaign Do you believe left Parnasse. Because they're folks Within the Republican Party who are casting doubt on what he has to say AH casting doubt on his role the president is out there. Saying I may have been in a picture with the guy but I hardly know the guy I is. He credible I would not necessarily believe left Parnis but I believe his documents and I believe the witnesses around him that corroborate what he has so if he was the only person saying what he's saying. I would be highly skeptical. But he's not a have phone records of left parties. We see him in contact with Rudy Giuliani at the time that Uganda which is being smeared. We see him in contact with chairman. Newness who is also connected to the White House in many ways we see Left In the notes that he provided is surveilling ambassador. You'RE GONNA Vich. We see notes about running investigation. Let me stop you on that. Surveilling Ambassador Aso's Avant Ivanovich. Do you believe that you know the president Set on the July twenty five phone. Call that she's going to go through some things That's the mob talk rock. The president often uses in those are the tactics he uses and so I do believe that but again as a former prosecutor witness parnasse you would really want to be careful unless you had documents and other witness accounts. That can corroborate it. And I think here you do and you know when I when I listened him on the Rachel Maddow show talk about how humiliating it was to be frogmarched out of his house in the dark hours of the morning by the FBI and he has to walk by hi. This trump shrine that he's built with all the donations. He's made that. He was humiliated and that his wife was embarrassed And you just have to think that the country that he comes from being corrupt as it is Ukraine being part of the Soviet bloc when he was there if you were making contributions helping out a leader you would be protected. Fortunately and we have a rule of law here where the F. B. I.. Still independent of the president. So He's not GonNa get away with it and I think you can see. He's talking about that humiliation he's realizing Donald Trump is not going to protect him. He's being arrested for contributions he's made at the trump team and then of course and the public campaign campaign. Trump is throwing him overboard saying he doesn't even know the guy so it's his pride. I think more than anything that's probably driving him. Coming forth is something that's interesting is how long among the Justice Department has had all of this parnasse information that's been revealed is surprising to you that the Justice Department that is run by attorney attorney. General Bill Barr who is basically turned himself into the president's personal lawyer. Are You surprised that Bill Bars Justice Department is allowing this to happen. Well I I would just say I in defensive prosecutors. They don't move on political timetables and they certainly don't let you you know defendants drive. You know when records are released so I would typically give them the benefit of the doubt that if they are still working this investigation if they're looking at other characters actors they don't want evidence out in the public that could compromise investigations. They may be running however there are there are real reasons to ask. What is bill bars involvement Golfman in this case is he peeking into the files Or have his hands into the investigation of SDN why prosecutors St and why prosecutors are notoriously fiercely independent and. I would just hope that we would hear about that If Bill Barham was doing that but I I think you know we need to know and if bill the bar you know had the guts to come to Congress and he refuses to do so. That's a question we could ask. It will your former prosecutor. What is your gut tell you I you know I I asked a former? Sdn Y prosecutor this very question a couple of weeks ago and he told me knowing Sdn y that he thinks what's that if there was any meddling in their investigations that because of their reputation and how much treasure that reputation. You'd probably hear them speaking ICAN out so I want to help. That's still true. My Gut right now is that those prosecutors are probably holding on tight to those cases but at the end of the day bar a high profile indictments bars and have to sign off on those and so the question is you know is he. Green-lighting redlining any high profile indictments that that evidence could lead to in one of the things that the parnasse information reveals is that things are still happening in SDN. Why is still active? There are still zillow investigations going on and I'm wondering what recourse does the Judiciary Committee have in response to the par- information is. Could we see a a situation where the committee calls him in for testimony. Well we WANNA certainly here from bar anyone at justice to talk about whether that independence is still there that those prosecutors can do their work now with Parnasse. We believe that the forum that's most appropriate right now for any relevant witness as relates to impeachment is the Senate and that Parnassus really illuminates why the Senate should have relevant witnesses testify and of course the the four that we we see our Bolton Mulvaney Blair and Duffy. Those are the four most relevant. But I think Parnell's is making a pretty good case that he too has relevant information but we do not want to rule out that on how side with the subpoena power that we could bring in people like Bolton who said he would respond now to subpoena or people like partners so with the trial beginning in the Senate And the house managers making the case. What can we expect? Yeah I just a insistence upon having a fair trial you know in that starts Tuesday right. So Tuesday is when this trial is essentially going to begin in earnest. You know the rules will be voted on as far as you know the procedures for witnesses and so really insisting that witnesses like Bolton and others. I can testify. That'll be first and foremost you only need fifty one maybe fifty senators you know. There's this debate about if it's fifty in a tie. If if the chief justice can break the tie vice president pence cannot be a part of the proceedings. He's kind of conflicted out as a vice president impeachment proceeding. So do you need three or four Senator Senator on the Republican side to come forward For these witnesses I was encouraged to see Senator Romney early in the week. Make the call that he wants. Bolton testify testify Senator Collins seems to suggest that she would be there. So you're about you know one or two away from being able to get those types of witnesses and I I really believe that if witnesses like those come in this trend of witnesses beget witnesses. Documents beget documents will continue to prove true and it doesn't help the president. It helps the case that we may from the beginning that he put his interest above. America's Kenan argument be made that the president indeed got a fair trial. Even if witnesses don't testify justify America won't get a fair trial if witnesses don't testify and and I think that's what's most important is that both the president and Americans get a fair trial as we know what this president his all about the theater. He's all about the picture as it appears on television division. He is has been said many times. He is producing a television show every day. Would you be surprised if the president threw a wrench into everything and either decided to change up his legal team. And you can tell me if if he would be able to do that midstream. Or and this is not out of the realm of the possible given who were talking about just deciding to show up and testify on his own behalf. There were moments during the impeachment inquiry in the house. Where part of me you know every time the door open and you guys going to walk through and just bring the theatrics more into the room in addition to what he had going for him with the Republican side? So yeah I think this is the person who you know when we all thought he was down and out With the the billy Bush tapes three days later. He's in a debate with Secretary Clinton and he brings Bill Clinton's accusers. He he doubles down with theatrics. Batra I think you have to be prepared for those types of stunt but I don't think that ultimately helps him because either there. He would be admitting what he did insane. I'm allowed to do that is. He's that's been his defense all along. This was a perfect call and I just I just don't think people are ready to say that this was a perfect call or he would have to offer a defense that has contradicted everything he said you know in the past six months about this. Okay so I I don't really I think he ultimately does not appear in issued. A good question. Can you change up his legal team. Generally there's a preference to give give a defendant wide latitude in who their legal team is Meaning you want this case to verdict without a defendant saying well. I didn't have the team I wanted wanted. This was unfair to me so even at someone like Rudy Giuliani who clearly has a conflict. It's probably best to just let him have the legal team. He wants so that he can profile that you deprive me of the due process of having my own team. He's been the president has been saying you know you were saying the perfect call. He also says read the transcript. I'm mystified by the fact that he keeps telling people to read the transcript in those who actually read. It can't possibly come away thinking that. That was a perfect call and that that was a clean call it in. This is where you know. It's complete bullshit. When he says the reason he won't let witnesses come? Forward is executive privilege that all of a sudden this president who has shown no so real concern for the Constitution doesn't really understand how Congress our legal system works is the greatest defender of executive privilege. If that was the case if he cares so much about not opening the door on releasing executive privilege he would not have released the call transcript. That's he would have put his foot down there and said no. I am not releasing the call. I care so much about executive privilege because he can make the same argument for that transcript as he's making for these documents and the witnesses he won't come forward but in his his mind and his corrupt mind in the way he presides over our country. He thinks he can do that. He thinks he has a right to do that so I think he does indeed think it's a a perfect call but I think he's also realized once he released that transcript how damning it was and how much it propelled this inquiry that he's not dumb enough to allow any witnesses to come forward so he was confident and corrupt enough to put the call. Transfer out there because I think he he just thinks I'm allowed to do that but he was also aware at the backlash she receiving this guy more than anything. He knows public opinion and he saw the public support prison. Peach Mint dramatically went up. When that call transcript came out and I think that's why he's trying to stop the dam from bursting with anymore witnesses or documents? I mean the reason why we know about this. Call or the call transcript is because of a whistle blower and so I'm just wondering what happened with the whistle blower and actually have more come forward. I don't even know if you can answer the last that I tell you. That we We receive whistle blower complaints often often at the intelligence committee in when we do. We direct them to the proper agencies that where they come from. the inspectors general general at their agencies If they come to us you know inadvertently or they think that we're the place to go. So it's not unusual that we would have a whistleblower come to us in this case the whistle blower I think through their council. It looked like early on wanted to testify at least in a closed session to Congress but but once the president started making the threats that he did in making the comparisons to you know we used to essentially execute traitors for good reasons the whistle blower feared for their own life in likely the life of people they knew and so At the same time we were getting other courageous witnesses to come forward who corroborated what the whistle blower said so. We saw it as well. The whistle blowers essentially redundant. This is like a person who pulled the fire alarmed because there was smoke in the building and when the Fire Department showed up they saw that the building was collapsing and flames and didn't really need to ask at that point. Like who pulled the fire alarm. There was a fire and interviewing the whistle blower would only jeopardize that person's safety so we figured it wasn't any longer necessary so when Speaker Pelosi announced the house managers and your name was not among them. I put out a tweet that said actually. It's a good thing that congressman swallow is not sign house manager because that means he is free to go on television and take the case before the American people. When they're at home watching television who might not be watching the trial? Are you disappointed that you're not among the house manager. I'm I'm going to help the team Any way that I can't and I've done that on the judiciary intelligence many honestly you know I've I've been asked that question in the way I see it. It's not about me. It's about out with the president. Did and you know my focus is to do all. I can't help that team that we have that talented team. That's over in the Senate right now. Convicted remove the the president. And how likely do you think that is. Give us the witnesses and the documents. He's going to be removed food if he blocked the witnesses. Then the senators will in the short term. You'll have an alibi for not holding him accountable but I think in the long term If they do that you'll see a democratic majority in the Senate for the same reasons that we got one In the house. which was that? The public wanted to have accountability congressman. Eric swallow of the Great State of California. Thank you very much for being on the PODCAST Thanks for listening to Cape Up Tune. In every Tuesday you can find us on apple podcasts and stitcher and how about doing me a huge favor over subscribed rate and review us. I'm trying to think her to the Washington Post. You can find me on twitter at K.. Part Jay.

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Trump may have worked a previous Ukraine quid pro quo: WaPo

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

45:35 min | 2 years ago

Trump may have worked a previous Ukraine quid pro quo: WaPo

"The show we had nine stern on MSNBC happy but I am sorry because for more than a week now I neglected go yesterday Ohio Democratic Congressman Tim Ryan dropped out of the presidential the last week Tim Ryan dropped out of the race and I am committed to tracking that sort of thing when it happens ah Democratic candidate for president and so we get to three to one you is because today yet another Democratic candidate has dropped out of the race you have probably a race that gave him not only a national profile but a real head of steam far list of candidates this evening's and we'll be talking a little bit later on in the show about the impact it was going to make the next debate the Georgia debate later this month but in base so his potential impact of the impact of his leaving as late that said like I mentioned lots of news to get to tonight she was sent by Buzzfeed News to cover what we expected to be an interesting on the right both Levin eager you might remember were both Oh they were arraigned on campaign finance charges charged with trying to illegally of Mr Parnell has switched his reputation representation but e core his buddy here the way the president's imprisoned former campaign chairman seems to be right at the interesting filing that was made with a federal court in New York the court handling Levin Eagles case to persuade the judge that his client should no longer have these onerous so I mean eager and his council had agreed to those exact bail signed up for so we thought there might be something dramatic that they could unveil in court today in definitely was a dramatic hearing it was not a hearing that was dramatic in good news as far as I can tell this is one thousand percent perfect she writes quote it to be held under house arrest despite the fact that he had been arrested just before boarding a flight blanche side and looks down he was at a hearing at the. US District O'connor writes quote this argument today was not going well the allegations zero evidence he said the judge then asked is it false that your client office we promptly ordered the transcript of the court hearing and it turns out Emma O'Connor's reporting and we will hear from them in a minute but it seems to me that one of the reasons why everybody agreed to home detention tree that is completely false there is absolutely zero evidence that Mr Ferman the judge is it false that he had a one-way ticket to Vienna the lawyer Manafort lawyer part for example where that lawyer tells the judge your requiring him to sit in his apartment in Miami Twenty four hours a day to guarantee your honor that he shows up here when directed I know he's paying me there's also the part where the prosecutors make their case the circumstances of his arrest there's not a lot of dispute here what's clear is that Mr Ferman was subpoenaed by Congress that on October ninth he was at the airport and arrested on the Jet Bridge as he was boarding a one and he did it on short notice prosecutors then go on to argue that had eager the prosecutor says he operates bar called Buddha bar he has a luxury brochure for Tata Mr Ferman is on the second page it describes him as the offended didn't disclose it but there's a hotel there are restaurants there's a beach club there's did and he could decide to never come back here he could live a very nice life and his family Gore asked for and you know sometimes judges hear rule right there didn't pause it all the judge says quote thank you for your argument having remove ankle monitoring and then later in the hearing prosecutors made clear that his bail they have reason to believe that egos brother might be involved in some of the crimes for which for the president's impeachment does that affect these sorts of things regardless think and then post bail with the money you stole from the bank they're also his ankle monitor and the bail that has him out on house arrest and not actually in jail the president and the president's personal lawyer and the impeachment proceedings against the president these ties on Capitol Hill so far things are not going well in court things are also not going well for his crimes he's due to be sentenced next month and as we have covered a few times on the show in recent has deep state conspiracy storm the state like storm he was framed Mike Lynch Fox News lawyers are now arguing that he doesn't even whole case and not only throughout the whole case they should basically dissolve the FBI and lock up the real and Mike Flynn didn't do anything wrong that's been the basis of Flynn's new defense as he flint's new claim that even though he did plead guilty and admit in court that he lied to the FBI about have been claiming that he was he was set up even though he pled guilty they're saying that the FBI sleep Flynn's new defense part of it has been that the notes were forgeries that they weren't real notes they were doctored to frame him what the FBI and prosecutors released and it's kind of amazing quote on January I told the Office of Inspector General that FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe that a member of the media had received information that McCabe had pressured and the nature of the interview blanked out name provided the following information number one Andrew McCabe three Oh to this person did not tell anyone that McCabe or anyone else at the FBI the three Oh two is accurate government lawyers responding today what about Mike Flynn's felonies all made up it was all fours and the FBI knows it and they okay Mike Flynn definitely lied about his conversations with the Russian government which is what he pled guilty to because of the growing insanity of the as to try to win in court now the court filings they are making now are the presumption is they're playing this now to try to get Mike Flynn a presidential pardon and there is some here's something I wanted to keep an eye on the very first time that we the public that there was going to be trouble with trump's national security advisor was actually a column Bolt from the Blue This Ignatius said you said quote retired General Michael Flynn unclassified intelligence briefing on Russian hacking as the Kremlin's principle international propaganda day the Obama Administration announced the expulsion of thirty five Russian officials as well as other measures that was the first learned about Mike Flynn having secret communications was inaugurated was published well before any other news outlets would report on the troublesome David Ignatius but it was interesting it was in a column right in the Washington Post and it was that David Ignatius column back in January twenty seventeen before trump was even sworn a few weeks ago the post did it again it was September fifth an editorial against President trump this was the first report September allies quote Ukraine's new president a lot of Mir's Alinsky has so far failed to win the backing the country still fighting Russian aggression it's eastern provinces some suspect Mr Trump has old that the president has a second and more venal agenda he's attempting to force eliciting Ukraine's helped with his presidential campaign he is using US military aid the country August on its face the post also noted that the White House had advanced unconvincing explanations author than seeking to compel a foreign government to eight his election the president has yet bring them to launch bogus investigations as a condition of their getting their congressionally approved military instigation and now today title on the editorial page several weeks ago now today I week on the oath I sit down with the former chief of staff for both the CIA and the Department of defense associated with it because we fear or concerned if America was seen as the author of it there could be snagging account of it's painstaking work to locate Osama bin Laden they had already looked the off the compound so he green lighted the heliborne raid from eastern Afghanistan the oath available now wherever you get your podcasts the editorial off of the show tonight we've seen the post in its editorial columns break huge stories flint in prison that was a David Ignatius column in January twenty seventeen the exact plot that has now led to these very serious impeachment proceedings once again it's from columnist David Ignatius and we've got something new here for president trump and Ukraine he may have done this exact thing once before ignatius today in two thousand seventeen after trump was elected in January the station they were paying to try to get into the White House they wanted to make contacts with the trump but nothing had happened but then suddenly six months down the road in June twenty any visited Ukraine visited Kiev he was there giving a speech and while he was there enj- reason within a couple of days of that meeting Ukraine's then ongoing dollars in illicit off the books payments from a pro Kremlin political party those guys and so what was Ukraine's anticorruption prosecutors who were looking hard at Paul with the domestic investigation of Paul Manafort here at home the one that was part of the special counsel's and then mysteriously within a couple days of Giuliani visiting and meeting under the purview of the president and people in Ukraine were Gatien appears to come to a halt quote after a year of Investigation by Ukrainian law appears to have stalled when reports of the finding of the ledger first surfaced last year sums hundreds of thousands of dollars but the anti-corruption prosecutor's Office of Ukraine offices from here how do we know how to judge the various coach at the time explaining what exactly it meant that these manafort prosecutions were moved political control he said he said quote it is clear for me that somebody gave manafort cases get dropped get buried and then less than a week later the Ukrainian as those manafort cases are shelved I so the new administration is is within two days of that Giuliani meeting the Paul manafort cases get put under political control then gearing up to charge manafort with multiple felonies part of Robert Mueller special counsel investigation the Ukrainian president gets his White House meeting that he couldn't get anywhere near for months before then before anybody else agnew writing on the editorial page that broke the Ukraine scandal president trump working with Rudy Giuliani the extortion of the government of Ukraine getting them to do things last year there was a New York Times reporters last night but we we've actually talked about opt to those manafort cases and they stopped helping special counsel's office here with their cranium lawyer doing that in an effort to quote avoid irritating the top American officials the Ukraine government for some reason appears to have believed at that time that dropping well in the end they did kill the manafort cases they did stop helping the special counsel end they did finally get the delivery of those javelin missiles that they previously couldn't get was that round one was that the dress rehearsal for how to extort stuff to help trump if this was a perfect column this was all fine is because he'd done it before and gotten away with it so he thought it was and I will just tell you one final point about it it kind connelly a senior member of the oversight committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee coming out of the sealed hearing reporters a hint as to where some of this might be going he says to them first camera so that they've got him on camera and on the Record Watch what he tells them and I would spend a little time on the issue of Javelin Missiles Evelyn missiles okay agreed agreed here we go president's cabinet and the ongoing impeachment inquiry Energy Secretary Rick Perry has been maybe extortion involving the nation of Ukraine it was Rick Perry along with selves the three Amigos how much you WanNa Bet Rick Perry is the one who came up with that name last week and the impeachment inquiry near time says that Secretary Perry's chief of staff has also might consider showing up for a public airing with his lawyer that may not be the echelon of people who are closest to the president and that has some interesting consequences as lawyer named John Eisenberg is Burgas the lawyer who reported the tucked away the transcript the call that the president had done something wrong on that call Eisenberg reporting that after Eisman Eisenberg put the call notes in that special secure server it says he got that instruction to keep quiet and not tell anybody about the secret server move not immediately had done on that call quote Eisenberg Aspen men whether Vin men had spoken to other don't tell anybody what the president did wrong and don't tell anybody what I did to cover it up couldn't have actually moved the document to the more secure system by himself the president did something wrong on that call we'll pretty in the secret server now you don't tell here's why if reasons I had to be given to other about who pushed what buttons about what the chain of custody was about who made this being led to the resignation of president and that is huge but you know along and how does that change the course of an impeachment overall how does that affect the outcome for those individual players Schloss NBC News Presidential Historian Mr Beschloss it is great to see you thank you so much for being here tonight favor but also about actions within the White House to it seems cover giving some things to watch for for how those two different sides of this might interact at the Watergate and one of the people who broke in was a guy named James mccord and he who investigation of others people started testifying against one another and in the and if there's an intensive investigation what history suggests is that it may not last I case scenario attorney general for Public Accountability for is protected raises the question as to whether or not those kinds of parallels could ever come to pass mint of other high ranking officials by the Congress and that might be as far as it goes like Watergate you got people testifying in public in that case you had John Dean or you had Alexander Butterfield going before the Committee on TV saying obstruct justice so we're just about to see this and anyone who predicts that the beginning out now in paperback somebody who keeps US always listening to history sir it's great to have you here nice to see Michael we have to clearly see at this point now's a candidate nor as a nominee of this party Sorry former Texas congressman better got to do this three to one excitement when he got into the race do you expect his leaving the from really hard to tell the best thing I could say it looks like it's more from the younger end at the end here it's hard to see having a measurable impact just because he is so his trajectory often incumbent Republican senator in Texas got a huge amount of attention from liberals nationwide but also not true I think everybody presumed that what fundraising and actual support I mean it's hard to remember coming in the media attention he was getting in what was he doing in Texas in two thousand eighteen he was chasing one of I think we're kind of hit when they looked at Bater twenty eighteen but then you turn around in the contrast been last year do you it sounds like he's not going to run for Senate in two thousand twenty there is a Senate seat in I remember coming for your guns I think there was a sense that maybe there's a national Democrats think it could go blue in twenty twenty there's a possibility it could but Texas still on some of these issues Karnak he'll be back tonight at eleven o'clock on the eleventh hour we'll be right back got on Monday and the show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC podcast listening. 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Sustainability these are the shoes. You've been waiting for Ravi Dot com slash motto the show we did nine stern on. MSNBC THE NEWS has taken a remarkable turn this evening and I think it is fair to say it has taken a dark turn all right. It was late last spring early part of last summer when we first started seeing press reports about the gentleman we would all come to know affectionately as an eager to Soviet-born Russian-speaking businessmen who were apparently working with president trump's personal. The attorney Rudy Giuliani. On some sort of scheme involving Ukraine and allegations that Giuliani was making about Joe Biden and what appeared appeared to be so pressure on the Ukrainian government this would take a while to unspoiled but of course ultimately would result in president trump becoming only the third president in US US history to be impeached. And of course we are right in the middle of that impeachment process right now. The House will vote tomorrow to appoint the members of Congress who who will act as impeachment managers effectively the prosecutors who will try the case in the Senate against President Trump. The House will simultaneously. Vote tomorrow to formally convey inveigh the articles of impeachment from the House over to the Senate that means that at some point tomorrow we expect some point after five. PM Eastern tomorrow. We will see this dramatic ceremonial thing in which the house impeachment articles are literally walked across the Capitol Grounds from the House side to the Senate aside whereupon the impeachment managers physically deliver those articles of impeachment to start the process of putting the president on trial. That is all about to it happened. We are on the eve of that very dramatic stuff. That's supposed to start the Senate trial tomorrow. But as the impeachment scandal has developed over these east few months out of the corner of your eye. You've been able to sort of monitor all of these recent in all of these recent months this parallel story of eleven or left Parnasse and eager fruman. These associates of Mr Giuliani. Whose relationship with Mr Giuliani has been a little bit vague at times? It appears ears that they were paying Mr Giuliani. There's a record of them paying him. Half a million dollars on the other hand at times he appears to have been paying them or at least employing them in some capacity for men and Parnell have represented themselves as having been working for Giuliani in Giuliani's capacity as president trump's personal lawyer which would mean by the transit of property they were working for president trump. It's never been totally clear. What exactly the relationship of that? What exactly the contours? Tour's of that relationship were and how money factored into it presumably. That will become clear at some point but there has been this this parallel case of these two unusual guys. It's been sort of chugging along in the news alongside and abutting the impeachment proceedings on Capitol Hill against the president for this scheme in which they were apparently involved. WBT WITH MR Giuliani. Well now today most unexpectedly that has just blown open the impeachment inquiry in the house. I I sent a request for information documents testimony to Mr Parnis and Mr Ferman at the very end of September. The very beginning of October right at the start of the formal impeachment inquiry in the house. It was October third when impeachment. Investigators gotTa know from Levin Gor- No. We're not going to help. They got a letter from Levin. Gore's Thin Vinh lawyer saying that. Those two gentlemen would not cooperate with that request for information. That wouldn't testify. They wouldn't hand anything over. That letter was from their lawyer at the time. Was John Endowed. You can tell this because the typeface there is Comic Sans which is like his signature. John you'll remember was president that trump's lawyer for a long time and the Russia investigation he at the beginning was representing love and eager as they were summoned testified at the impeachment inquiry and stick a pin. I'm in that for now. We're GONNA come back to that in a few minutes but October third John. Dodson's this letter saying I represent Lebanese or they are not going to cooperate with your requests for information for the impeachment investigation Gatien less than a week after that October Ninth Levin or were arrested at Dulles airport just outside. DC there were about to board a flight late to Vienna first class tickets one way tickets that apparently is what moved up the urgency of arresting them right then and there because of fears by prosecutors. That they they might be fleeing the country when Lebanon Gore were arrested at the airport. An indictment was unsealed against them thereafter. That showed multiple felony charges just related to them allegedly funneling illegal foreign donations to various Republican candidates and campaigns as part of that illegal donation scheme. The indictment spelled out allegations that the two of them tried to orchestrate the hosting of the US ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich so the day. That indictment was unsealed October tenth the day after they were arrested at the airport the impeachment investigators who had earlier sent a request to Levin Ebor or that they testify and provide information the day. After this guy's got arrested there was no longer a please and a a AH voluntary element to that request once. Those guys got arrested on October tenth. That request was turned into a subpoena. So the impeachment investigation sent Sunday legally binding demand that Levin E or provide information to the impeachment inquiry after that Subpoena Levin Gore each switched lawyers And love at least seemed to have had a change of heart. By the end of that month October thirtieth he had told the impeachment investigators in Congress that actually would like like to cooperate with them and he would respond to that subpoena and he would start producing material that would be relevant to their impeachment. Agree and he would do so on a rolling basis so since then and again this has been sort of in the corner of your eye. This has been sort of preceding alongside the impeachment investigation. And we know that this is sort of a budding case. But we you never really know knew what this would yield in this criminal case against Levin Ebor and two of their colleagues has proceeded Apace. It's a real criminal case in the southern district of New York. There's been some drama in the courtroom around for example their bail conditions prosecutors at one point complained that they hadn't known about a million leeann dollar wire transfer to love for a Russian bank accounts that made prosecutor's request that loves bail be revoked in that he be put in jail to await his trial of the judge disagreed. Allowed Mr Parnell to stay out on bail. He has remained at liberty awaiting the start of his trial but while he has remained at liberty awaiting the start of his trial. Something has been brewing there. His current lawyer men named Joe Bondi has made frequent public statements. About how much love wants to testify. Why the impeachment investigators and how much he knows he has used online? The Hashtag Love Remembers and let love speak now. We haven't known what exactly remembered or what live wanted to speak about. We've been asking about that. We've been trying to report on what information Mr Parnasse might have to convey to the the impeachment and create how significant that information might be. We've been trying to report this for weeks now but now tonight surprise on the eve of the impeachment articles being conveyed from the house over to the Senate and the Senate trial starting. The Intelligence Committee in the House tonight has released about sixty pages of material that they have in fact received from Mr Mr Parnassus and boy. Is this not what anyone was expecting. I mean maybe somebody knew this was coming but this is. I've been following this closely. And this this to me is nuts. And there's a few different elements here. We'll talk about over the course of the show tonight. There's the new doubts about the president's emphatic public statements that he doesn't know these guys never had anything to do with them. There's the interesting multilevel involvement of some of the president's defense counsel in the impeachment inquiry with these guys who appear to have carried out the scheme for which the president is being impeached. There's the involvement in the scheme of a figure who prosecutors Peter say is an upper echelon associate of Russian organized crime. We've got further new detail about that but in terms of the the craziness factor here. We have to start with what we have just learned about Ambassador Marie Ivanovich. I mentioned that in the criminal indictment of Mr Ferman and Mr Parnasse prosecutors describe their efforts to yes funnel these illegal Russian donations to Republican candidates and causes including the main super PAC supporting president trump but prosecutors also explain the indictment that what we're trying to do with some of the access they were buying with those donations was they were trying to get the. US Ambassador to Ukraine rain. Marie Ivanovich fired. You will remember from the impeachment testimony. That ambassador Ianovich was not just it saddens or even just bewildered that she was inexplicably fired and recalled from her post by the trump administration in the middle of her tenure embassador to Ukraine. You may recall from her very dramatic testimony that there was also an element of fear or at least some kind of possible possible threat against her this moment where she described that stood out in the impeachment hearings. Because we didn't know what this was about and be it. It was a dark and dramatic tale around one o'clock in the morning. She called me again and and she said that There were great concerns There were concerns up the street and she Said I needed to get on home. Come home immediately. Really get on the next plane To the US And I asked her why and she said she wasn't sure. But there were concerns about my security astor my physical security because sometimes Washington knows more than we do about these things and she said No. She hadn't gotten that impression that it it was a physical security issue. They were concerned about my security and I needed to come home right away. I argued This is extremely irregular regular and a no reason given but in the end I did get on the next plane home. You said you. There were concerns up the street. What did you understand that to me? The White House did she explain any more detail what she meant by concerns about your security no she didn't. I did specifically ask whether this had to do with the mayor. Giuliani's allegations against me and so forth and she said she didn't know it didn't even actually appear to me that she seemed to be aware aware of that. No no reason was offered. Did she explain what the urgency was for you to come back on the next flight The only thing that's pertinent to that was that when she said that they were there. Were concerns about my security. That's all but it was not further explained that's Maria Banovic who had been the. US Ambassador to Ukraine she was inexplicably fired and recalled to Washington in the middle of this pressure campaign on Ukraine that they needed to produce produce investigations into president trump's political rival Joe Biden or. They wouldn't get their military aid from the US government and that was Maria von. It's testifying the impeachment and create in November. She's told to get on the next plane. There were concerns about her security. We didn't know what that was about during the impeachment investigation. Now tonight we maybe know it was about because the material from love Parnasse that was just handed over to the Intelligence Committee that the Intelligence Committee has just released to to the Judiciary Committee in conjunction with the impeachment and to the public so we can all see it in the middle of this pile of evidence documents. There is a a strange and legitimately alarming series of what's APP text messages encrypted text messages between Mr Parnis and a man named Robert F Hyde Who appears to still be a Republican congressional candidate in the Fifth District of Connecticut? This is his campaign website. He's been running for Congress on the platform that he's very close to trump's world is very controversial candidate at one point the Hartford current rent a blistering editorial about him that was titled Robert F. Hide get out of the race. That was after hide had posted online almost unbelievably vulgar sexist tweet about Senator Kamala Harris dropping out of the presidential race it was a tweet that explicitly referenced oral sex. I'm not going to go further than that Don't look it up. You'll thank me but apparently last spring this gentleman was working with love Parnasse or at least reporting to love about an effort that appeared to target maybe even literally early Ambassador Ianovich Ukraine according to these materials released tonight this conversation the series of conversations between Mr Parnasse and Mr Hyde starts may the march twenty first last year. Mr Parner says Robert Hyde a series of articles in tweets. That are basically in support of Giuliani. Trump's conspiracy theory that it was really Ukraine interfered in the election and all the antibiotics and stuff and the stuff smearing ambassador. Ivanovich the first message that we see from Mr. Hi this March. Twenty second in which he says is F- that five letter word that starts with B And that's in reference apparently to ambassador Ianovich F that the following day Parnis sends Mr Hyde yet more Ukraine conspiracy theory stuff from the Fox News Channel Hyde responds by saying. Wow can't I believe trump hasn't fired this b word all get right in that. He then sends Mr Parnell attachments that we can't really tell what they are because of the way in which these materials have been produced but on March twenty third. Here's the sort of dark turn quote. She under heavy protection outside Cubes She's under heavy protection and she's outside of Kiev. How would this guy know that about Marie? Ivanovich of that's who were still talking about. And why would it be important to this discussion. That he's having with Mr Parnassus within a couple of days. Their texts continue along the same lines Robert. Hi telling Mr Parnasse. Ns quote they are moving here tomorrow. The guys over. They asked me what I would like to do. And what is in it for them says wake up Yankees man and he says she's talked to three people her phone off computers off then he says she's next to the embassy not in the embassy. Private security been there since Thursday parnasse response interesting then Hyde says quote. They will let me know when she's on the move Parnasse says that's perfect Hyde responds. I mean where if they can find out that address. I sent you checks out. It's next to the embassy quote. They're willing to help. If we slash. You would like a price. He says guests. You can do anything in the Ukraine crane with money what I was told Parnasse responds. Lol As laugh out loud. Hide response the next day. Update she will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound. People are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking. What's the next step? Because they cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions gents and then a new text from him if you want her out they need to make contact with security forces following day he says quote nothing has changed aint. She's still not moving. They check again today and then moments later he says quote. It's confirmed. We have a person inside two days later. Hey brother do we stand down down or do you still need Intel be safe then Hyde says moments later she had visitors. It's confirmed we have a person inside. Hey Brosky tell me what we're doing. What's the next step? What this appears to be is is love Parnassus in communication with somebody who purports at least to have the US ambassador to Ukraine under physical surveillance in Ukraine down? To where exactly she is her exact address who she's with and whether her phone and computer turned on or off. If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces and then it's confirmed we have a person inside the people people who he has doing the surveillance he says are willing to help because in Ukraine. You can do anything with money like price as I mentioned love. Parties is the one who has handed this material over to the impeachment inquiry. The person he was in discussions with here is this. Republican Congressional Law candidate from Connecticut. He was reached for comment tonight by the daily beast. Robert Hyde told reporters San Brody and Betsy Swan at the daily beast. Quote Bull Shift shift is a giant B word. I was his response to comment on this material. But if this this was the reason that the. US Ambassador to Ukraine was told to get out of that country on the next flight for her own safety. If this is the reason that she was told there are concerns. Turns about your safety. I mean those warnings that urgent warning get on the next flight. That warning from the State Department happened about a month after almost exactly a month after these guys were having these detailed. What's up text message exchange about when she was on the move and what our security is like and these guys who can help out if there's price what are the State Department know about this? What are the White House know about this when the State Department conveyed its concerns to move that she should get on the next flight? It was reportedly because of concerns about her safety or concerns about her security that we're voiced from up the street week meaning up the street at the White House they know about this. I mean if that's what this is about. This story has taken a very very dark turn now. We had known because love parties lawyer has been talking about it publicly. We had known own left turning over material to impeachment investigators to the House Intelligence Committee and and Mr Parnter lawyer said the material he was handing over was relevant to the impeachment inquiry. We hadn't before tonight heard anything from Congress as to what the content was of this material that left parts was handing over but in addition to the stuff. That's been released publicly tonight. It's it's not only been shown to the public. It's been formerly conveyed to the judiciary cheery committee which of course is the committee that wrote the articles of impeachment which already passed against President trump. The articles that are being conveyed tomorrow to the Senate in a joint statement tonight. The chairs of the Intelligence Judiciary oversight and foreign affairs committees the four committees that investigate the impeachment scandal. A joint statement from those four chairs says tonight that they want this new evidence that they have released tonight publicly considered by the by the Senate a Senate trial of president trump. That is due to start tomorrow. They say in their joint joint statement tonight quote since the House voted to impeach president trump. We have continued our investigation so the house managers can present to the Senate the most complete factual record possible before the trial on the articles of impeachment. Today additional new evidence will be provided at the House Judiciary Committee for its transmittal to the Senate. Along with the articles of Impeachment Schmidt quote we will continue our investigative work and we'll make available to the Senate and the American people any additional evidence of the president's misconduct as it is revealed. So there's a lot more to get to here tonight in terms of what was just released by the intelligence committee tonight again so it can be conveyed to the Senate tomorrow along with the articles of impeachment. We're going to talk tonight about some of this material including Parnassus handwritten notes about the core allegations in the impeachment scheme in which he says bluntly get Zilenski to announce that the Biden case will be investigated. I mean there's there's a lot more here. There's intriguing king stuff about the president's personal involvement with Levin Eager case but in order to help us with this unbelievably explosive information about what appears to have been some sort of plot some sort of physical plot against the US ambassador. I want to bring into the conversation now a reporter from the Hartford current who has covered the somewhat somewhat strange political saga of Robert F. Hide this Republican congressional candidate who has been excoriated by the current editorial page for among other things his crude crude comments about Senator Kamala Harris. It is his text messages with love. PARNIS tonight released by the Intelligence Committee which appear to show a potential physical threat to this ambassador as part of the intimidation and smear campaign that forced her out of office and that ultimately led in part to the scandal for which President Trump is currently is being impeached. Joining us. Now is Daniele Tamari. She's a statehouse reporter at the Hartford current and she is in the middle of reporting this herself so Danielle. I really appreciate you making the time to be on short notice. Sure thank you. Let me. Just ask you about Robert Hyde. Twenty four hours ago certainly was not a national figure. I know that you you have covered him in his congressional campaign in the Fifth District in Connecticut. I just WANNA get your your top line reaction to him surfacing in this very dramatic way in in this material just released tonight by Congress. Yeah I mean it was interesting you you read these messages that were released in the house tells documents and so the language is certainly very On point of what we've heard from him In the past on his own twitter feed and just comments that he's made various reporters and about various public figures. He's using sort of those same tone you know especially as they as it relates to women in you know positions of power in terms of the implications of his exchanges with Mr Parnasse. Here I found myself reading this feeling feeling that that I wanted to more about Mr Hyde's credibility. Is it possible that he is a fabulous te and he is imagining fantasizing thing that he's got resources or contacts of people who could be surveilling a US ambassador in a foreign country. Is he somebody who forgive me for asking it this way but is he nutty enough that this might have all been in his head and might not have actually been happening in real life. I don't have enough information to know that Specifically physically I do know that he is not a sort of What we would call a mainstream figure in Connecticut politics? See Somebody who really hasn't held a Elective office before. He wasn't very well known and he's one of several Republicans who are running for the seat doesn't appear to have a lot of support in fact most of the establishment Republicans have actually called on him to step aside certainly after those tweets about Senator Harris were publicized. We're showing a picture on the screen right now Mr Hyde with president and trump. He's obviously got that picture front and center on his campaign page and has made claims to sort of be very connected to the trump inner circle. I in in his background trying to understand more about him stay. I noticed that there was an incident last May where he was actually arrested at the trump Durell in Florida and told police that he believed a Hitman was out to get him yeah. He was escorted off the property as far as we can tell from a redacted reported it. It wasn't clear that he was arrested. There was no mention of an arrest in this report. He was removed from the property. They did identify him as trespassing at the the trump at the trump resorts so he was Philli's by police that's as much as we could glean from this Redacted Report Incident Report Danielle Tamari Hartford current statehouse reporter hard at work on this story right now as we speak thanking. Take time to talk with US tonight. I appreciate it thank you so how much appreciate it. We'll have much more to on this story and believe it or not some other big legal news that has broken within the last hour. It's going to be a busy hour. Stay with us. Hi Everyone Steve Kornacki here host of the podcast article two inside impeachment. It is official official president. Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives and faces a trial in the Senate. We've witnessed incredibly historic moment. So what does it mean for us for our politics and for our country with the politics of impeachment change. What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article article two inside impeachment search now wherever you're listening and subscribe. Thanks for listening. What patients have you had with Lev Florida's and eager to pick hours possible? have a picture with them. Because I have a picture with everybody picture with everybody here but Somebody said there may be a picture or something where at a fundraiser or somewhere So but I have pictures with everybody. I don't know if there's anybody I don't have pictures I just I don't know them I don't know about them. I don't know what they do but I don't know maybe they were clients of Rudy. You'd have to ask Rudy. I just don't know possible. They do have a picture with them. I have no idea I missed president. Would that it was only one picture. Let's call these one through eight. There there may be more but at first glance these are at least eight of the photos I know of featuring love currently under indictment meant currently featuring in the darkest most salacious turns the impeachment scandal and President Donald Trump eight different photos. Mr Kearney's with Mr Trump and all sorts of different circumstances. Also here's a bonus one number nine but shows neither Mister Parnell nor Mr Trump but it does show their name cards at some sort of a range seating event and they are right next to each other which is cute given the Mr Parnasse is under indictment for allegedly funneling illegal foreign donations to Republican candidates and campaigns. And given all the information we've got about Mr Arneses involvement in the scheme which president trump was just impeached. You could understand why president trump would want to pretend he's never met large part parnassus say he's never ever heard of the guy. Maybe there's one picture somewhere definitely not two or three certainly not nine but now in these new documents released tonight by the Intelligence Committee Mitty. Here's a new kind of direct connection. We didn't know about before the appears to be an email sent from the president's Council Jaysekulow. It's dated Wednesday October. Second which is just after Levin uneager got contacted by the impeachment increase. Ask for their testimony. The letter from Jaysekulow comes into the president to another reporter. John Dowd says quote John. I've I have discussed the issue of representation with the president. The president can sense to allowing your representation of Mr Parnis and Mr Firmin. It's and not firm in but you see the point that he's making and it is signed jaysekulow counsel to the president. If Mr Seculow can be taken at his word there's no reason not to. This would imply that the president personally gave his consent for Levin eager to have the lawyer of their choosing John Dowd representing presenting them as they were fighting requests for testimony from congressional investigators looking at the impeachment scandal. The day after that email was apparently sent for Mr Secular to John on doubt. That's when Dowd told congressional investigators on his client's behalf that they wouldn't be cooperating with the impeachment investigation now. Love Parnasse eventually changed. Just his lawyer drop John Doubt and also changed his mind and started cooperating with the impeachment investigation. That's how we got all these new documents tonight but in these documents released tonight we also so get another surprise about the president's legal representation and his involvement with an eager in text messages between Rudy Giuliani and left parties in in which Mister Peres complaining. That they haven't been able to secure a US visa for Ukrainian officials they want to bring to the US to help them as part of their smear. Joe Biden Campaign Rudy. Giuliani tells left parties. At one point quote I gave j your number the talking about how they can get a visa for. This guy who has been turned down for a visa. visit the United States because he is viewed as corrupt foreign official Rudy. Giuliani says. I'm working on it though I've got number one. Meaning the president presumably working on it and he says says I've given J. Your number and we know who he's talking about we know it's J. secular because he then sends love Jay secular contact information presumably. Okay so love. Currently under indictment can speak directly with the president's legal counsel in the White House about trying to get a US visa for a corrupt Ukrainian official official of the US. Government is otherwise not letting travel here. Only the best people I mean. The president's legal representation is turning running out to be a very weird factor in this impeachment. Jaysekulow is due to be the president's defense counsel in his Senate impeachment trial which is due to start tomorrow Mr Secular. was there anything that you would like to disclose disclosed about your involvement with any of the characters in this drama. Mr Secular. We know as of tonight was apparently put in direct contact with one of the indicted people who was part of this Ukraine scheme. Mr was also involved in getting the president's personal approval for the defense counsel for that guy who is now under federal criminal indictment also among all the many glamorous photos Mr Parnell has made public about his interactions with various trumpworld officials. Not only are. There are gazillion pictures. Here's of him with the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. We also know of at least a handful of photos that show Mr Partners with another of the President's defense counsels in the impeachment scandal. This is Pam Bondi. Former Attorney General of the state of Florida. She worked at the lobbying firm in Florida that has been subpoenaed by SDN Y as part of their criminal investigation into this market. Part of this trump scandal. She also apparently has more than a passing relationship with Mr Parnassus again. Who is under indictment? Again she is part of the president's legal team representing him in this impeachment. Everybody gets their lawyers up to and including the president but it's really Odd in any criminal case and any major criminal proceeding to have the lawyers themselves play Cameo or potentially starring roles in the scandal Endel for which there candidate for which their client is being tried. And there's more here and Mike Flynn just filed a motion to withdraw his is guilty plea tonight and on talking. There's a lot going on. We've got a member of the Intelligence Committee joining US next. Stay with us again. We're covering the breaking news tonight about this remarkable pile of evidence and information that the Intelligence Committee has just released released to the public tonight in advance of the president. Senate impeachment trial starting tomorrow The chairs of the various impeachment committee say tonight that this information is being released this evening thing because they want this evidence to be conveyed to the Senate alongside the articles of impeachment against President Trump which are formerly going to be conveyed to the Senate tomorrow afternoon among the most disturbing material released. Tonight is a long series of encrypted text messages from last spring they involve left Parnell. Who is currently we under indictment in the southern district of New York? He's the person who's reportedly handed this material over to the intelligence committee. The texts are between him and Robert. F Hide a Republican Congressional National Candidate from Connecticut and in these text messages Mister Hyde appears to be basically reporting to love about the physical movements and the Security Kirti situation around Ambassador Murray Ivanovich in the initial parts of their text exchanges are about Or negative information about Mr Ivanovich Donovan. Mr Hyde. At one. Point explaining exclaiming using expletives talking about how terrible she is and how trump should fire her but then it moves quickly onto what appears to be surveillance reports from somebody who's watching her little sample of those messages quote. She is under heavy protection outside kief quote. They're moving tomorrow. The guys over there asked me what I would like liked to do and what is in it for them. She's talked to three people. Her phone is off computers off. She's next to the embassy not in the embassy. Private security been there since Thursday quote. They're willing willing to help if we slashed. You like price. Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money. What I was told? If you WANNA out they need to make contact with security forces and then after that quote it's confirmed we have a person inside tonight in response to this information ambassador. IANOVICH Donovan lawyer has just released this statement saying quote. Needless to say the notion that American citizens and others were monitoring ambassador Ivanovich movements for unknown purposes is disturbing. We trust that the appropriate authorities will conduct an investigation to determine what happened during congressman. Jim himes he's a member of the Intelligence Committee he he also represents Connecticut's fourth district which is right next door to the district in Connecticut. Where Mr Hyde is currently standing as a Republican candidate for Congress Mr Himes Congressman Been? Thank you so much for joining US tonight. Hi Rachel. I know this isn't the right way to ask this question. But what the heck what is this. Please tell me. This is a fabulous te who has concocted some sort of fantasy plot in his mind. And this wasn't a real thing. Yeah I I'm not the the governor of Connecticut Rachel but I do on behalf of the people of Connecticut apologize for Mr Hyde and and and and look I guess there's two ways to look at this As you said earlier in the show this is not Mr Hyde's first brush with fame. He of course got some attention by putting up a truly disgusting tweet about senator. Kamala Harris when she withdrew from the presidential race so look this guy's a malignant clown. It is quite possible that he was just making all this stuff up. This is that would sort of be consistent with with this guy But of course we don't assume that it is also possible And we don't know this true or false that he actually did Talk to people on the ground who were surveilling and conceivably threatening the United States ambassador. This is the kind of thing that we take very very seriously. Despite the clown like behavior of of Mr Hyde. Obviously the question question that I think immediately arose in people's minds when we first started absorbing the impact or the the implication of these text messages is whether or not this is what ambassador Ianovich was being being warned about when she got that middle of the night one. Am Coal from the State Department. Telling her to get on the next plane. There were concerns about her safety. That was about a month after these exchanges. Between Mr Mr Hyde were happening via encrypted taxed is there any indication of what the the White House or the State Department aren't might have known about this and whether that is in fact what led to that urgent security alert to the master that got her out of that country I chuckle call Rachel because because we don't know we don't know amidst all of this talk of you know almost cartoon like characters. This is the stuff that if you made it up and put it into comic book. Nobody would I believe. And the reason we don't know of course is is is the headline of everything here. That is getting lost in this story. We don't know the answer to your question because the president is an of the United States in absolutely unprecedented move has refused to make a single person a single email a single phone call available to to congressional investigators. Why is that because every fact every email every trove of live Parnis live Parnis? Who'd never heard of this guy? Not Exactly Ackley. Mike Pompeo but every single e mail document phone call that comes out is deeply incriminating to the president. So you know not only would we liked to have the kind of evidence presented that Nixon was required to present that Bill Clinton presented including testifying and giving a deposition Russian himself Because it would be important understanding to understanding the behavior this president and presumably important to senators actually making an impartial title an informed decision about the behavior that president. But there's any number of subplots like this surveillance of an American ambassador possible surveillance of an again ambassador that we we need to know a lot more about the released from your committee from the Intelligence Committee. Tonight made clear that this wasn't all of it that there's about sixty pages of materials fifty nine pages ages of material that were released tonight but apparently there was a second trove of material that was described by the chairman shift as sensitive material coal records that that included personal sensitive information that therefore shouldn't be made public. Should we expect that. That's the kind of information that will be public interest that may eventually be released to the public after it's been redacted to so that we don't have access anything personal insensitive. You're correct about that. There is another batch of information it was described in the letter it is phone records And phone records by their nature of course have specific phone number sometimes names attached to those And so because time was of the essence here and and really this has been a little bit of a race against the clock and that of course points us to the question of whether Nancy Pelosi was smart or not in delaying The conveyance of the articles to the Senate It's no small matter actually taking a phone as was done in this case and extracting the data from that phone and ultimately understanding thing it and you know understanding what the Russian said so yes. Of course. There's a lot more information here and again. Let me go back to the point. I just made left partners is sort of a fringe character attached. It's too Rudy Giuliani. Could you imagine and I think senators need asked this question. The American people need to ask this question of their senators. Could you imagine what we might learn if we weren't dealing with clowns infringing characters but actually seeing the emails That that existed state that exists at the White House. They would give us a full picture of you know not just the president's misbehavior but who did the State Department no That ambassador IANOVICH was being surveilled. This is the headline. That's getting lost here Rachel Which is the unprecedented refusal of this president? Literally unprecedented when you hear. The Republicans say we're following allowing exactly the rules that Clinton followed Baloney Clinton was deposed Clinton made every single individual and documents and emails available. This president has not made a documentary. Email or phone vocal or an individual available to this investigation. And that's why we're getting the stuff by other means including this remarkable release tonight congressman. Jim himes member of the Intelligence Committee too big week and big night. Thanks for being with us. I appreciate it all right. More breaking news still ahead doesn't stop tonight. Stay with us Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues shoes. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? We're exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to to the twenty first century. What modernity west of the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything that you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with gas US uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts? As the house releases bombshell and disturbing new material tonight in the impeachment investigation in further breaking news tonight trump national security the adviser. Michael Flynn has just made a dramatic move of his own general. Flynn has been heading for sentencing later this month. For lying to investigators about his contacts with the Russian government during the presidential transition. He pled guilty to that charge and he agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for leniency in his own sentence that cooperation gratien however went sour in the end and prosecutors recently recommended to the judge that he received up to six months in jail. Well now as of tonight he has just filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea. The motion says in part quote Michael T Flynn hereby moves to withdraw his plea because of the government's bad faith faith vindictiveness and breach of the plea agreement among other matters Flynn's legal team sites the inspector general report from last month on the origins of the Russia investigation. And and lots of crazy stuff to this filing tonight comes a week after prosecutors said that Flynn should get up to six months in jail in terms of what's going to happen here. It is hard to know. He's essentially trying to change his plea to not guilty. Which means he wants to go on trial for these charges? We'll talk about how likely that is. And what this means for case when we come back stay with us one of the many breaking stories. We're following tonight is a curveball from trump national security thirty advisor. Mike Flynn just as we got on the air tonight. General Flynn moved in court to withdraw his guilty plea. He pled guilty already. Two years ago and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for lenience but now tonight he says he wants to undo that plea change his plea to not guilty and I guess go one trial joining us now. Barbara mcquade former. US Attorney thanks for joining us on short notice. I appreciate being here. Oh you bet glad to be with you so whoa. How does this work? Flynn has confessed to multiple crimes already in sworn statements part of his earlier guilty. Plea is he saying that he wants go on trial for those crimes. Yes strangely enough. Despite the fact that he was sworn in open court agreed and admitted in detail detail what he did to make him guilty of the offenses submitted. A written statement of the offense. His lawyer says in this pleading that he is innocent. And so the remedy for withdrawing a plea is to trial. Will the judge half to do this. Is it a foregone conclusion that the judge will grant a trial. Or how much leeway does the judge chaff facing this kind of emotion the rules of criminal procedure say that to withdraw a guilty plea. The judge has to find that there is a fair and just reason reason to do so. I don't know that he will be convinced. Based on this pleading alone he may want to have a hearing but You know last week as you mentioned we had that filing from the government that said it was Michael Flynn who breached the plea agreement and so the government was no longer recommending substantial assistance no longer recommending a reduction in his sentence intense because he changed his story when they were preparing for the trial of Bijon Rafiki in and in fact perhaps even seem to sabotage that trial L. and therefore because he breached the plea agreement they were not going to recommend leniency and now his lawyer as saying well we didn't. We didn't breach the plea agreement you reach the plea agreement. I don't know how much weight that's going to carry with the judge. I think he will hear from the parties but he has to find that. There's a fair and just reason before he'll allows Michael Flynn out of his guilty plea so in in the judge isn't required to accept that Flynn is changing his plea. The judge could say no. You've said your piece on this and we're going to leave it there. Yeah you know. It's not enough that it's buyer's remorse. You have to find that there's a fair and just reason that it is against It would be a miscarriage of justice to allow this plea to go forward because either either something has changed or new facts emerged the only thing that they allege here is that He he didn't really make a false statement in his fair application Asian. Yes it was false. But he didn't know it was false at the time that really seems to contradict If not the technical language of a statement of offense Certainly the gist in spirit of what. He signed what he agreed to what he admitted in. Open court it has the feel of a clever lawyer looking for language after the fact find find some way to wiggle out of it proper mcquaid former. US Attorney thanks for jumping in here on short notice on this Barbara. I appreciate it. You Bet my pleasure. Original obviously this attempt to withdraw flint plea looks like a plea for pardon from president trump butt heads up everybody. We'll be right back. Stay with us the five PM Eastern Tomorrow Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi and the newly named newly minted impeachment managers will walk the articles of impeachment from the House over over to the Senate. It's called an engrossment ceremony now. I don't know why but Speaker Pelosi and the impeachment managers are literally going to physically carry the articles over. It'll be a procession led by the House clerk and the House sergeant at arms they'll go through statuary hall in the Capitol Rotunda All the way over to the Senate. 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Mr Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian Oligarchs Alexa Alexa. That's obviously with our position is. I'm not aware almost any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at the time material in that campaign and didn't have not have communications with the Russians wife to get involved with Putin for have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother. Then he will respect me Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political. Your Communist know Mr Green. Communism is just a red herring like all members of the oldest professional capitalist. Hello and welcome to more she wrote. I'm your host. Ag and with me today are Jordan Coburn Mandy reader. We have another monster show. Oh plan today. Jordan has got can't ever keep an hour. There's just no way Jordan you're gonNA cover treasury employees. That's pleading guilty to leaking suspicious activity reports. Though SARS we talked about awhile ago Ogle over all over the fourth batch of Muller Memos and how Dangerous Bill Bar is to the independence of the Justice Department and we have an interview with former. US Attorney University of Michigan Chicken law professor MSNBC NBC legal analyst and Contributor Bar mcquaid. About what kind of witness indicted Giuliani associate love. Parnasse is after those explosive motto interviews and by the way his name is pronounced Parnasse and we just learned this but guess who how to pronounce it a long time ago. Who Move? Move Your Hint Nunez. Yeah Oh enjoys Vance picked up on that in one of his Interviews of from a while back talking about no. I don't know anybody in the I don't know anything about left harness and and like Like you knew how to pronounce his name. Like the extra cost to the rest of US didn't know that interesting. We're all parnassus but it's Parnell's Taj Say maybe. His origin story is just people pronouncing his name correctly. Actually and then he was like this is what I'm going to do in life this will be my contribution to society clearly. It's nothing else so I can see that. Yeah his his Revenge revenge yeah or they've just been climbing together for a long time. That's also the other option. Yeah I've Cornyn was like the you know there's a lot of these criminal hangers on and they're like. Oh all hanging onto trump trump. That's interesting then. Yeah okay normal totally We do have a lot to get to but we have some corrections. So let's do that before. Are we get started. I made data mistake. All right. I from Beth Rosenshine. That's really pretty name. Yes it is. German for rise doesn't shine probably isn't but it just that's how German works. Judaism is indeed a religion but Jews are not a race but rather a people an ethnic nick group with the common history language culture some of us DNA we are not exactly like other religions like Islam. Christianity we don't believe God wants everyone to convert to Judaism and we're not exactly like other ethnic groups. Anyone of ethnic background who converts becomes a full fledged. Ju- Edgy remains a Jew. Whatever ever their religious beliefs are Thanks for reading. I believe you are open to learning which is why I bothered right. Yeah thank you nice. That's a really good way to put it. Honestly I do. I appreciate that. And the whole. We don't believe God wants everyone to convert to Judaism. I feel that because my understanding is it's actually really hard. They like turn you down a bunch of times and make sure you really want like. It's not the you can't just go all right today right. It's a whole process. Yeah it's a very it's a it's a thing from bill held an and Liz keys. Hi of Connecticut of Parnasse email fame is not a representative. He has actually never held public office. He's just running for the fifth district. Even Republican Party wants booted out of the race due to vile comments. What's he made about Connell? A Harris Chris Farley would probably play him on Saturday night live. We lost him many years ago. Yeah that'd be good he would too. I could see him doing his little dance with his little coat and she could do the dance right now do a little cold that's not shaming. That's just quoting yes James Corden could do it. Yes US Yaas Yours Johnson. Maybe he only wants to Gordon British characters and it's interesting correction because I knew he never held office. I'm not sure when I may have accidentally said that. So so good news from L. Mo-. Ll thank you for the informative. I just wanted to clear up the meaning of the word a sectioning which I believe you've is being used in regards to Turkey's entry into the UN. I'm an archivist. And assessing is the term used to describe the processing new materials into an archival museum collection. Diaz is when items removed from collection Just in case you hadn't heard those terms before I have not. I appreciate all the work you do. Keep US informed to keep us informed. Cool this just reminds me of The National Archives blurring out the women's March so does so I guess blurring them out and then a session in them to the national archives is a pile pile of Shit and then and then DEA session it because you've apologized for being a dickhead is a correct usage of that. Using right I think so you less no Elmo Glenn Fleetwood I love your band of informative notes mic okay. Very Informative Work Ag. I'll get a correction on the nuclear proliferation. Treaty is not a deal it's treaty. A treaty holds legal significance. Trump only calls a deal to feign expertise over over the topic. Don't carry water for trump calling to deal all right. I won't thank you And those are corrections. If you have any for US head to mole. She wrote Dot Com click contact select corrections uh-huh and build us a compliment sandwich. We will get it right eventually. We have no time to waste with the amount of news that came out as this weekend. And all last week The news is coming it. Space Force speeds so. Let's jump with just the facts. The Senate impeachment trial began Thursday with the swearing in of chief justice. John Roberts and the senators it was very solemn. Alum made me feel like someone other than us is taking it seriously After the shit show in in the in the house particularly by Circus Republicans Though I'm utterly convinced a good number of Republicans were sworn in on a Hustler magazine and crossing their fingers behind their back when they were signing the oath book promising to do impartial justice. They just feel like that wasn't real. GotTa Love Low Budget Camera. Setups can't get from the back. See those crises. Never Know Criss Cross applesauce awesome. Nancy held the articles like a boss and during that Short Thirty Day delay which included the holiday break we found out that the office of Management and budget set an e mails trump up was directly responsible for the whole of Ukraine. We found out from government office of accountability that withholding the aid is illegal under the impoundment. Control Act we found out Bolton is willing to testify five the Senate is a Senate subpoenas him and we got the Parnell's interview along with truckloads of documentary evidence including emails and text messages. And what's at messages corroborating Raba rating his statements which is very important. I'll talk to barb mcquaid about that later. All of that puts unholy amounts of pressure on Republicans to vote for calling witnesses and we will learn Tuesday Tuesday. What the initial rules of the trial will be It is said it will contain a provision asked for by four moderate Republicans that would require an upper down vote on witnesses and documents minutes after the opening arguments and senator question sections are complete Remember Senators have to write their questions down. They don't get to ask them with their mouths. Tuesday today is expected to be contentious as dams will no doubt argue for amendments which they're allowed to do requiring witnesses be added in the initial rules or allowing for witnesses be he added in the initial rules though I assume the moderate Republicans are okay with the upper down. Vote and probably won't go for that Something they consider there will be more evidence that comes to light in the space between approval of the initial rules and that upper down. Vote if it's if it ends up making it into the rules. And I'm starting to see tiny glimmers of hope we could actually see some Republicans gins vote for removal. But I'm more inclined to wait and see as Senator Collins is consistently let us down the primrose path. Only the yanked the football away last second which I think I just read an article geico saying now. She won't doesn't want witnesses speaking of this and I don't know if this is true or not so don't slaughter me but apparently Stephen King lives across the street from Susan Collins and he has. It's like a truck with a billboard on it facing her living room window that says seen pictures of yeah man says like don't you know don't defend trump's crimes essentially yeah she's all the inspiration inspiration. He needs Just sitting at his desk looking across the way. She's the New Lady Stephen. Probably whose feet did you see that. MEME somebody okay so misery. Is the movie right. Where the lady kidnaps the author WHO's played by James Caan and keeps them there air to write the stories because she wants a better ending she wants to ending that she wants and she actually ends up hobbling him which is an old school thing where you take a sledgehammer break break their ankle? Oh and you know it's horrifying to watch that whole scene. I can't even watch it. It's terrible I should have done a content warning there but somebody somebody did did. Somebody did a movie poster of that of misery with her with the Hammer. But the movie called footloose God The newsletter. Next week so funny you have to find I didn't I don't think I might have me laugh so hard. Let me say we have to laugh. This podcast containing so a fictional traumas feel better about laughing about. I know trying to make jokes about actual real crime is harder if no ankles have lifting lift stoned. It's okay to laugh leave no ankle on stone trump has added Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz and Clinton prosecutor. Ken Starr to his team of intrepid. astles this week TV lawyers. There's all In response Monica Lewinsky tweeted. This is definitely an are. You fucking kidding me kind of day. Dershowitz said he's not acting as trump's lawyer which to makes him a witness which means I guess it's okay to call witnesses now. He's also working for trump for free. which seems like an illegal campaign contribution to me but of course? Maybe that's why he's saying he's not a lawyer Advocate trump hasn't staffed the Federal Election Commission. So they don't have a quorum. But I maybe I would expect The chair Jayne Weintraub any day to like maybe something on that durst plans to argue that abuse of power and obstruction of congress aren't impeachable offenses. And if he's not lawyer but a witness someone should be able to cross. Examine ask if he thinks. Bribing a foreign government to help you win. An election is an impeachable offense. Are you just not liking calling that abuse of power. What would you call call it? What would you call it like a high high misdemeanor? High crime like what whatever the semantics argument but yeah adder Schuette says. I'm not a lawyer. I'm there to defend my client. Is the constitution. Yeah gross but he had and he had a perfect opportunity the call him it during the hearing in the house where they had legal scholars do the constitutionality of impeachment. Yeah absolutely and watching. Dershowitz tried to like play language games with all of this on. CNN CNN was when he was like well. It wasn't trump who hired me. It was his legal team. And I'm not a lawyer for the president. I'm an advocate. Like what the fuck are you talking about. Yeah so you're you're a witness. Yeah because in trials you have the defendant. The plaintiff lawyers the jury witnesses and judge. Yeah there's no hype man's just they running up after and just adding motherfucker squirting gatorade and your mouth abuse of power is not impeachable offense motherfucker appearing back behind the curtain. He's like technical job here. Have to hype you up the Mighty Mighty Deep Boston. I'm just a dance guy background. Scantily clad pants paid getting paid. You Alan Dershowitz. Who are calling on his hype man to fight Rudy for that particular title hype man? Yeah at least read. He's doing shit did I. Guess it's bad shit but I mean he's like earning eight title moving hustling yeah Later in the show I'm GonNa Discuss Parnasse as a witness with our guest former. US Attorney Bar mcquaid. That's during the interview so you'll definitely want to hear that also in the news this week Disgusting Adding Child Sex Trafficker on trump proxy at the Seychelles meeting with Dmitry of Eric Prince pleaded guilty to charges of sex trafficking and child pornography. I cannot wait for him to go to prison. I've still waiting for him to be brought up on charges of of Straw man donations for the UAE. You know with with bar and charge. I'll I'll go into that in hot notes but I don't think a lot of that might come might be happening. I wonder what the sentencing guidelines our first child sex crimes. It's a lot. Yeah see they might have. I wonder if they're like whatever he's going to be gone. That's matters yes and that happens a lot I mean. That's what had outs you know a seemingly what happened with Half of the people who worked on trump's campaign pain went to prison right. They were like well. We got him for that and we'll put him away and nine hundred when he gets out or like even just mobsters put them away for tax evasion or something. It's easier easier than like trying to pursue all their murder charge. Yeah Yeah And we learned in court filing late Friday night. This is going to Piss you off. I'm sorry It was was rod. Rosenstein that off that authorized the release of the struck and page texts. If you'll recall from the amazing interview Lisa painted with Molly Jong fast in the daily beast. We learned that the Justice Department called reporters in the middle of the night told him to come into his skiff. And check this shit out but don't tell anyone we gave it to you well in a late night Court filing Friday. We learned it was indeed Rod. Rosenstein that authorized at from the intrepid. Josh Gerstein Politico former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein authorized released to the media of of the texts Rosenstein also said in the filing that he did so to protect struck and page from drip effect of incremental releases by lawmakers which would have been illegal. So Oh here he is wispy pliable. Duchemin saying you should thank me as revelation is actually part of the justice. Department's defense against a lawsuit filed by Peter. Struck stuck in November Department of Justice asked Judge Jackson. If you're nasty to throw out strucks lawsuit and struck lawyer filed a response saying the suit should proceed. Because they're being vague egg about who made the call to release the texts. So this is rods way of saying okay now you know and you can dismiss the lawsuit now because it was me. But that doesn't begin to address his wrongful termination of awestruck or the violation of privacy. This is all horse shit I'm sure trump told him to do it and he did it when he released the tax and now he's trying to say it was because he was being generous and and we should just let the whole thing go and this all comes from the same department of Justice that is again investigating Komi for a leak from two years ago. After Agency's inspector general found nothing coming close to criminality so leak the struck and page tax. Totally Cool Komi leak to a story to the press that he's authorized to leak. Two years ago. Go to jail makes perfect sense. Yeah Yeah So. Rod is saying that they were actually doing a solid because if he didn't release it than it was gonNA come out through congressional members so then wouldn't your next step be to just like tell Congress to stop like you're the hold them accountable and the top cop in the land. Investigate exactly not to be go after Muller and McCabe Everybody Komi for leaks write quote unquote and your note is about a quote unquote leak. Exactly I was thinking the press said that So like it's super not okay. When this person did it an rod can just say oh I was just getting ahead of? What's another bad person in risk due to beat me we go way back? I Love Lisa page. I was just trying to help them. Out and Yeah well both of their lawsuits are still out there. And I don't know I don't think they'll be dismissed but bad beans on that we don't know for sure we don't know what's going on in the in the Department of Justice these days but that would be up to a judge. What is Rod giving having nowadays? Care Rod Hey rod rod do leave it all right. Well we'll be right back. We have more news including a Russian hack into Burris Ma and a third attendee at the meeting. Giuliani had it may justice with former alpha-bank alpha-bank lawyer Brian Bench cousy. It's an incredible story. So stay with us. Hey everybody it's ag in this episode of Moore she wrote is brought to my neum. I'm a pretty goal oriented person Like anyone anyone though. I can be tripped up and prone to per procrastination and sometimes laziness which I prefer to call efficiency enthusiasm but last year I tried something new to help me motivate in achieve my goals. It's called neum with neum. You pick the goals that are right for you feeling better in your clothes having more stamina having better energy just having better mental health or practicing more self care feeling more confident and Neum personalizes a program to help you meet your goals. 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Is it Russia it was the GRU and more specifically it was fancy bare the arm of the gre responsible for hacking the D triple c and the DNC in the run up to the last presidential election. The story very reads like the Miller report. Fancy bear used low-tech phishing schemes to trick users at Barista into using their credentials to log into fake burris Miss Subsidiary Websites Then they would use those credentials and poses employees to gain access to their networks. The hacking attempts began in early November As the impeachment hearings began. It's not clear what the Russians were looking for. Four according to experts I'm thinking it could just be as simple as a Russian assisted. Diversion from the impeachment talks. It could be as simple as that California state Senator Jon. Morgan and from Brentwood works for a cybersecurity firm called area one and they recently released a report. Detailing the hacking operations Breezy Holdings senator. Morgan says area area. One has the ability to catalog the entire web every ten days by using a high speed crawler so from what I can gather. They monitor about one hundred fifty to two hundred known hacking operations globally summer crimes into gets come. Some our state state operated and by cataloging the web so frequently they're able to use T P's or they're able to see tools tactics and procedures commonly used By state spots sponsored crime syndicate hackers. Morgan didn't say what his company's relationship is to Baraza. But would it seems like. Is they crawl the web they see hacks than they reach out to the companies that have been hacked to sell their services much like much like the company you may have heard of called crowd strike and much of what they found is being kept secret because of the sensitivity of the issue but Morgan did say they noticed similarities between this hack and the twenty sixteen fancy bear hacks and that there is a correlation of the timing and the hack beginning hack happened at the beginning of the impeachment trial there's a correlation Quote GRU has attempted to insert itself in the twenty twenty election and it can't can't be ignored now one thing FBI would be all over this and they may be that we haven't heard anything about it but Ukraine sure has shit has so two days after the news of the hack dropped. We learned that Ukrainian authorities opened an investigation into the hack and the day after that we learned they are asking are. FBI FOR HELP WHICH MEANS FBI hasn't reached out to them which is Buchan Bananas. Bananas on Thursday Ukraine's Minister of internal affairs announced they had started a criminal proceeding Around the hack of Berea and noted the authorities were seeking help from the FBI. I am the California company everyone. The announcement of the investigation into the breeze hat came the same day. Ukraine announced a criminal investigation into whether you've had been tracked by Associates Associates Giuliani and Parnasse. So it looks like Ukraine's law enforcement is more trustworthy than our own I hope they share their findings. Globally I hope this is a signal. That Zelinski isn't taken shit anymore. But what a terrible position to be in especially in a hot war with Russia and now it seems like trump Putin and our justice department or all playing for the same team and that Hum put Ukraine in grave danger Phil really fucking bad for his Lonski and for the Ukrainian people you know because they said this a million times but they really really count on our support in our allies ship to protect themselves from further invasion and takeover by Russia. So the position for him to be especially someone who is so new to politics. I mean he was a Dick Piano guy like three years ago do piano. I don't care he's a perfectly great you know we'll. He ran on a non corruption ticket. Yeah and and they were trying to remove the corrupt people. Corrupt people are the ones trump. Wanted to stay so he corrupt with them and then trying to say that he's against corruption. It's absolutely bananas. And here's something that's fucking nuts. Member Guiliani met with Brian Bench cousy. He's the head of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice and when he was appointed we were like what. Because he's a former lawyer from a firm room Kirkland and Ellis that represented alpha-bank and alpha-bank had that server that communicated with trump tower in two thousand fifteen where Herman Kahn worked. Who's the stepped dad of not Stepdad? But father in law vendors Wan who was indicted and worked with Manafort and Gates to whitewash the Timoshenko report his Yanukovych's political opponent The one that Gregory Craig got arrested for lobbying to the New York Times without registering as a foreign agent. Yes so that Bryant Bench Hausky who recently by the way got a secret ethics waiver so he wouldn't have to recuse himself from some secret bullshit they didn't tell us about well. Giuliani met with Brian to discuss top-secret a top-secret client of Rudy's that was facing being extradition to try to get him off the hook. I thought for sure it was for Tauch but it turns out it was that Venezuelan guy that he and Eric Prince have been palling around with that had Madero connections. uh-huh any WHO We just learned Friday. That bill fucking bar was at that meeting to the meeting that Brian Bench cousy said he would have never taken if he knew Guiliani Associates Parnasse and Freeman. Were about to be indicted bar was at that meeting and bar was at the meeting where they talked about giving Tasha break to God doesn't this is when he's as attorney attorney. General doesn't he have other shit to do nope. His only job is to discredit the two thousand sixteen investigation dirt on the Biden's lenses there's only fucking job every locked Muller's investigations that were handed off by Rosenstein. Yeah he keeps showing up at these like very intimate meetings and intimate parts of this whole scheme. It's like how the fuck are are you there like you. I mean but you see more important this yeah like it seems like your work as much as above this outside of the corruption element of it. It's like yeah truly. It does seem increasingly so that his only point in that job is to do this. Maybe it's like what's that show where the CEO goes and stand down the line and does the factory stuff see undercover body. Yes that's so funny. He's like no. I'm down here with the people learning what's really going undercover boss. If they also started skipping the company taking their own profits undercover mob. uh-huh that show is such mixed feelings about it because sometimes it can be like heartwarming to some extent but other times. You're just like well. It really took you getting in here and getting into skies emotionally manipulating your employees to a hard time. They're having twenty eight okay at the end of the episode race. Through trickery is Love I love fun and normal could have put it in terms that a sociopath CEO can understand but before we go to a break Some awesome news. We all know back in December. Ted Lieu accused Devon Moon as of conspiring with love Parnasse A lawyer for Nunez. Who happens to be a Republican on the house? Intel Committee named Stephen Bis wrote Ted lieu a letter threatening to sue him. Then Lou tweeted out that letter along with his brief response which read dear. Mr Bis responded to your letter dated December Thirty First Twenty nineteen in which you state your Client Congressman Devin. Nunez will sue me if I don't among other actions ends issue a public apology to Mr Nunez. It is true that I stated Congressman Nunez worked with love Parnasse and conspired to undermine our own government as you know truth is a defense so go read the documents and text messages provided by Mr Parnell to the House of Representatives and watches interview on the Rachel Maddow show which aired January fifteenth. Two Thousand Twenty. That directly implicates Mr Nunez. I welcome any lawsuit from your client and look forward to taking discovery of Congressman Nunez. Or you can take your letter and shove it sincerely Ted lieu courtesy copy Nunez. Wow Oh boy the the chevette thing. How do you feel about that love it? I mean outside from being awesome objectively What fucking cares anymore? Thanks times we're limited. Yeah I guess so. It's not very professional. It's it's not but I also would like to say Ted lieu followed me on twitter and then on followed me so I have a personal vendetta. He could take uh-huh everytime name comes up though. I'm triggered you bitch. I wasn't good enough for you like my Dick Jokes. D- You taking these social media the famous gun to your head a It's the old space man goodbye anyway. Because that's the space work But yeah when I read that originally My own personal insertions said I was thinking. That's yeah I mean of outside. I was surprised I didn't see more talk around. This whole idea. Avid being unprofessional. Well he did come back and say you're unprofessional. I'm sad and mad. Yeah Yeah I guess I meant Liberals Liberals don't give a fuck because like you said. Oh who fucking cares anymore. The should that comes out of trump's. Yeah twitter is like a couple of minutes ago a couple of years ago. I would have been like you're cheapening the discourse now I'm just like this is the discourse. Yeah yeah that's a real point that I'm going to have to come to two. I think that's known for SORTA feistiness tasty ice-t yeah totally you know. I mean he's calling me impeachment a hoax so we got a little spicy when they're Democrats. Sometimes yeah but also it's true. It was unprofessional. I also the person that he's responding to complete joke. Yeah as well so it's not like he's responding to trump. I guess he was also a joke but different Joe and farm. I'm in peace quietly away from us. Ted Lieu no definite one hundred on his farm. That makes it didn't register. You see because he doesn't is in have a farm. I find it more. Believable has its way more believable. Ted Lieu US. Imagine I just want all. Yeah I just want to all of them to be happy after all this bullshit. That's because you're a good person during. Yeah yeah all right. We'll be right back with hot but not in another round of the fantasy indictment league right after this. Hey everybody this segment is brought to you by daily harvest. Everyone has a new year's resolution to eat better Or to be healthier Erin and sometimes it sticks. 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Natalie mayflower sours Edwards Edwards. Who is the former senior adviser at Fincen That's the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network Network Very Important Group She has pled guilty to conspiring to unlawfully disclosed suspicious activity reports or SARS to the media specifically buzzfeed does feed so US attorney. Jeffrey S Berman said as she has now admitted Natalie Mayflower sours Edwards a former senior level fincen send employees abusir position of trust by agreeing to repeatedly disclose highly sensitive information contain in suspicious activity reports maintaining the confidentiality the of SARS which are filed by banks and other financial institutions to alert law enforcement to potentially illegal transactions is essential to permit them to serve their statutory dettori function and the defendant's conduct violated the integrity of that critical system and the law end quote. So these were SARS that were related to the conduct of Muller reports stars such as Paul Manafort Rick Gates the Russian Embassy boot tuna and prevalant Alexander She apparently saved the file. L. To a flash drive transmitted them to reporter via photos and encrypted messaging APPs and she also apparently talked to them or shared internal communications that she had had read at Vinson internally. Do you remember when we did stories. Extreme folks were in the treasury. Were worried that some SARS had gone missing. They weren't in the the database. Yeah under if that's tied to this I remember there being a lot of issues with with the suspicious activity reports and there was something else where there were Obama Holdover Treasury employees. That were like shutting these down or something like that I it was just it was so long ago. Yeah I hadn't heard the term SARS since really. We were going through the molar report but there is a lot of. There's a minute there rear reporting on on a lot of stories that were related to it. I'd have to go back and refresh my memory. 'cause I think you're totally right. There's a lot of deeper connections just on this topic alone but Everything I just said those the side of obviously the feds. Here's the side of her basically This is a statement from her attorney. He says she was of the view that certain critical facts weren't being handled the right way by the government agencies whose responsibility it was to handle these things she we went to the media and said if I can't trust the government officials to handle this. I think I can trust the media to handle this and bring this to the attention of the American people. he said of how the family is taking everything. They're all taking it really hard. I think it's a really sad day for all of them. She was motivated by things that she believed were important she. She brought issues that she thought were important. Compelling issues to the press so that the press could bring them to the people she didn't trust the government was doing the right thing with these issues and I think that gives gives a daughter Every reason to be proud of her mother so that's a pretty emotional appeal but I think I buy into that very much each. There's probably an immense amount of frustration. That would happen when you're working in a group whose purpose is to be looking over these things and to feel like you don't have faith that the government that you've honestly you know worked for probably for a decent amount of your life at this point isn't doing the right thing. That's that's tough existential crisis prices to be put in she definitely sees herself as a whistle blower Whether or not folks sort of believe that profile or not I guess is up to you. she did plead guilty to one kind of conspiracy and faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison and she will be sentenced on June. Ninth check this out from Muller she wrote in October Eighteenth Twenty eighteen. I want to talk about a story that dropped Tuesday about a treasury and play that was charged for leaking banked out about manafort gates and boot. Nah Natalie Mayflower Edwards. Her name She was a senior official. At Department of Treasury's financial crimes enforcement known as Fincen named A in a criminal complaint for two counts. Alleging she leaks suspicious. Fishes activity reports about untoward banking transactions Journalists and news organizations. You lied to or not named Instead prosecutors provided dates stories or is it seemed to match a series of buzzfeed articles That's confirmed now Buzzfeed now when I heard the story raised alarm bells because back in May we had reported on a story away from Ronan Farrow that ran in the New Yorker about missing Michael Cohen. SARS that were leaked. Those are the ones that avenue leaked about Cohen Slush Fund that he ran out of essential consulting. The story said law enforcement officers released SARS after finding that some were missing. If you remember this person found a SAR on Cohen that reference to other SARS but the two other stars were mysteriously missing missing from the database. That gone walkies. What Maduro said the first time I heard her say on walkies interesting? Yeah that's reporting that led us to know that. At and T.. Novartis in Russian emigre a grave Axel Berg had all dumped large amounts of cash into Cohen slush. Fund Yeah lucky over a year ago. Yeah God again. A reminder of how slow the justice system works just now pleading guilty and she's knocking acceptance for another four months five months yeah Yeah but yeah I mean. I don't know too many more details other than what you reported what we reported over a year ago and what I just reported now I just was And that's like directly from the government's website the reporting that I gave so I don't know if there's much more I can extrapolate from from that in terms of where I think her mind was really at but I'm yeah I'm definitely GonNa. I'm GONNA say whistle. I'm with the whistle blowers anyone that's claiming to be a whistle blower in this political environment. I'm I'm I'm with them. Yeah and some people have. There's like people on twitter saying that she's actually trump person and she was trying to root out deep state stuff. Jeff I don't see that but You Know Oh. And that's Oh so she was. She was trying to prove that there was a deep state. that addressing it doesn't dry but doesn't jive with me. It doesn't match with the reporting either like the nature of the leaks no or the buzzfeed articles. But right exactly so I mean if you have any proof of that let me know. I'm open to hearing other theories but that did come up. I did have discussions on twitter about that. 'cause I called her hero. Yeah I guess yeah. Maybe we don't know enough to definitively call her a hero or not but who knows but I. I haven't heard that's the first that I've heard really early of that side of the argument I guess because my are you would be if you're trying to support trump. Why would you get SARS out to the public? That damage damage your manafort afford Yeah it's if it's very counterintuitive. Unless she was trying to say look this is what it is and people are are overstating. What's happening yeah I don't know but then at time my head around that that theory that cider story yeah we'll and then like like the emotional appeal? Her attorneys trying to make definitely seems to lend itself to the idea that she was trying to hold these people accountable when the government was not what that's like it seems like that's what he said right what I just read it. Sounds like what he was saying. yeah yeah well that is the story and I'm I'm actually go back and listen to that Things starting October twenty eighteen Report to that we that we put out. Because you know we got it from the buzzfeed articles uh-huh Well as most of you know buzzfeed. Speaking of them sued the Department of Justice under the freedom of Information Act to get the underlying muller materials are the same materials that Nadler filed for petition. The courts to get last July And this week they got the fourth installment of the F. B. I.. Throw twos which are summaries of interviews with key witnesses a big UPS Jason Leopold. WHO's heading up this project you can read the actual documents at buzzfeed dot com? This batch contains three zero. Two's from White House Political Adviser Stephen Miller Peter Avon. He's he's the chairman of the board of alpha-bank Russia's largest commercial bank by the way she says you know Michael Cohen. We know who he is. A Robert foresman vice chairman of the UBS investment. Bank Dennis clements off of the New Economic School of Moscow. That was where they wanted to give a speech and page gave a speech. We read about it in Russian Roulette. Andrei a cricket vic a professor at the Higher School of Economics in Russia former deputy national security adviser. KT McFarland political consultants and patent Anatoly Holy Samaranch. Since March off some archer. No he was the translator which I I need to hire him to say his name at the infamous June six six twenty sixteen trump tower meeting Schlomo Weber? We've talked about him. He's an economics professor at the New Economic School in Russia former trump campaign chairman. Paul Manafort Montana. Fort come come to Montana Ford on Sunday free balloons for the kids know George popadopoulos popped up and Carter page so some of the key takeaways from round four Manafort said he had his lawyer Kevin Downing speak with Hannity because he saw that as a conduit to trump and the outside world we kind of knew that from the manatee texts. We found out that the F. B. I.. Actually asked George Popadopoulos to work with them to get more information on Mifsud okay. Dennis Clementina feud remember him as one of the guys with the new economic school in Russia. That wanted trump to come and speak and he said that when Russia learned that there are good old useful idiot Carter page associated with the trump campaign. The excitement was palpable and so he was targeted And so you know ah those are just some of these key things but we learned a lot from round for you should really read them. As one hundred seventy six pages But I think the most important takeaway is what we haven't yet learned. Because it's been summarily blocked or redacted by Bill Bars Justice Department Law and crime tells us that the Department of Justice is defying the court order for Buzzfeed's foia to produce notes from Jared Kushner's interview Judge Walton. The same judge that was questioning the appropriateness of bill bars reductions ordered the Department of Justice to turn over the three O two's including Kushner's and while the Department of Justice can redact documents. No reason was given for totally excluding the Kushner files. I doubt Judge Walton will be none too happy with this as he was already pissed with trump's department of justice justice for taking so long to get the documents out and the cush files were supposed to have been handed over in January It's weird because they handed over a totally redacted thirty one page interview member in dump number three There was a thirty one page interview. That was totally redacted including the person who was being interviewed their name was redacted. All my beans on that being the Kushner interview What do you think that'd be nice? I'd love to see that it should. They should unredacted right. Well that's just just GonNa be more litigation in court than Well Reggie Walton. Like I said he said he was prepared to go through and and check on the appropriateness of the reductions. And maybe that's one that he well. I'm sure Reggie won't knows what's under there And knows that the Kushner stuff wasn't handed over ended up is the Kushner stuff. There's probably going to be a lot of experts. Say in camera a sealed hearings with sealed. Memos that we won't hear about until one day it'll just come out. Yeah Yeah I would love to see it. What did I don't even know what Kush up to right now? Feel like I haven't heard a lot of What is it Darva Conga? So she's acting out of non security clearance Clarence nece. You know just doing things. He shouldn't be doing around I. Just there's so many things happening. I haven't heard anything particularly from drove walker lately but I would like to find out what's in what tonight interview might be. It is. Yeah maybe they're on just more. Saudi Arabia Shit Rally. That seems to be solidified role in this Administration Still Yep Yep Yeah the pile knows a lot about that. Seychelles meeting What am I have a meeting? All right what have meeting God ticket go to the four seasons in any case what bar has done and is doing to the department. Justice is frightening. Let's just look at the track record. Starting meeting with his possible shuttering of the Mueller investigation and his gross misrepresentation of Muller's findings. I'm going to go through a list of stuff here. These these are just the hits. There's way more deep cuts than this. But but these are the hits and that his mischaracterization molars findings was so bad. That Muller went to paper twice and that first letter we still haven't seen the DOJ blocked That trick worked so well. Some people actually blame muller for the findings when he wrote in the report that it was Rosenstein that set the scope and it was Rosenstein decided which cases Muller had to hand off to the Department of Justice which is now under bill bar and then we have the shuttering of the Cohen case in the Southern District of New York for no apparent reason other than it just happened undergo dark the month bar got there. It was picked up by Sivan's but he's a piece of shit so I don't have much faith faith in that I used to and then I've read all sorts of stuff about Sivan's by the way And you know yes he did. Let Ivanka jared off the hook. And that fraud case turns out he let Epstein Skate without being put on The Sex WCHS sex offense sex offender registry. There's a lot of things that he's just sort of kind of made deals for that. I really disagree with Then there's the super-secret Muller Subpoena Battle with the company from country. That went dark within a month of bars arrival and we haven't heard anything. Since June and then how many of the Rosenstein referred cases redacted and Appendix D of The mole. Report have gone dark. We we don't know but we haven't heard shit about anything since April and don't forget about Andrew McCabe who is still under criminal it'll investigation. Even though the grand jury refused to return an indictment in his case and bar blocked a release of the documents relating to McCabe firing Got So bad the judge said Fuck you release the documents documents closed the case The DOJ alright. Alright alright around right. We'll release the documents bro. But they still haven't And they still haven't closed the case they're still joe trying to I. Think Shop Grand Juries to find somebody who will indict him and what we have seen in the releases there has been like slow drip And they've been redacted really heavily heavily redacted by bar and now we have a brand new criminal investigation into Komi for his handling of the Hillary case from over two years ago which the G. cleared him on. But now I guess it's a new thing they're looking looking at but that's two years old and speaking of the inspector general bar disputed his own DOJ inspector general's findings at the investigation into trump. Russia was opened with proper a predicate and without political bias to say nothing about the I G report that was due out around the time bar took office Regarding the Weiner laptop leaks involving Giuliani any tones again to Geneva from the FBI. New York field office the leaks that may have forced Komi to go public with the reopening of the Hillary case days before the election. Where's that I g report and of course we have bar himself? The corrupt globetrotter visiting every country. That helped with the help the FBI with trump the trump Russia investigation trying to find anything to discredit Miller's work and of course course now the explosive poss- matto interview in which Parnell says the corrupt Ukrainian lutsenko would provide Giuliani and trump dirt on muller and one dollars dollars top lawyers Weisman and the Biden's if they would just fire that meddling Pesky von Vich who I just realized is the Thelma of the Scooby Doo adventure but most alarming is the possibility that bar trump Giuliani and hannity plotted to have Levin Eager arrested. As Fall Guy Setting them up with lawyers John Dowd and Kevin Downing that just came him out and asked them to take one for the team while blocking Arneses documents and disallowing him to speak until the judge had to sign off to make it happen and later in the interview. I'm GonNa Talk with Dr mcquaid. who used to work for the Justice Department? About what got us here and what we can do to put back that reservoirs of wall of trust that has been swiftly and totally drained by what I think is is the most dangerous man in the world. Bill Bar it reminds me of a tweet. I wrote That Brian Williams read on Air as part of an article. Joyce Vance wrote for Time magazine about public trust in the Justice Department. Let's listen to that. Vance has written about the Department of Justice In Time magazine went up tonight. It is often said the DOJ integrity is like a reservoir slow to fill but easily empty by a small lead. The reservoirs leaking the day. After News of Epstein's apparent suicide broke a tweet from the partisan podcast muller she wrote articulated the worst case worst case. Forgive me whether you believe there are nefarious forces within the DOJ that assisted with or turned a blind eye to the Epstein death. The bigger point is no one trump's department of justice no one we are in a dangerous place if people no longer trust that the Justice Department is doing Justice Joyce however unlikely outcome The outcome you are calling for is that the attorney general take himself out of this case wine. So yeah that's our Justice Department. Nice Nice Really Nice. I was sitting there both in admiration for the way that you are delivering that information but also like sheer terror. Yeah yeah as I was writing it I was like this is good. Oh my God this is. Yeah I think the scariest part is not not seeing a clear pass to him. Being held accountable ever really. Yeah and I I talk to a bar about that. But it's it's it's marquis you know but I mean obviously the we vote but then if we would if we end up with a president who's like put it all behind us l.. Totally which I mean. I can totally see. See that happening country because this will divide the country and you shouldn't go after your political opponents with the law because you have the power to do so because that could be seen as abuse of power. It's such a dangerous precedent if we don't hold people to account though if that's what happened and we wanted and wailed Nixon to account it's home. He was pardoned as what happened. When you know the has it has led to this and now here we are? So you're right. It's it's It's makes that sets the wrong precedent. Yeah it is hard though because on the other hand civilians ends really. I do think having had a comedy show the other night. That was really crazy. I asked if anyone had watched debates the democratic debates and the whole crowd crowd who was like a decent crowd laughing wise. Just like just fucking stopped like no noise. Everyone everyone sorry for that sound you. You're you're you're thinking about that. Yeah it was supposed to be as it wasn't like clouds that no no. It was a sound of right up. It's about exactly but it was a very wet watertight asshole. Yes exactly the old frog saying that is exactly what it was supposed to water-tight asshole clinched dollar my dad frogs ass water tight like a bear shit in the woods type of thing hopes. Yeah but anyways they they completely. They tightened up. What is my point in? Then I was like no in Washington no and no one I would say anything in up until that point there. Were like a pretty participatory audience. Maybe you on a first date. And they didn't want to reveal their politics the guy the benefit of the doubt yes But then I was like you know really I just want because I was going into like thank you know the Bernie warranty ship and they just weren't having any of that and I was as a closing thought I guess to that segment. That wasn't going anywhere I was like. I I just want like everyone just really needs to stop fighting and then everybody just erupted in applause. Just a at that one line and it's like you know that that's Republicans Democrats independents. It's like a crowd of people so represents a lot of different political opinions. I imagine and that was just super super powerful to me because like I think I underestimate what the what civilians are actually feeling with all of this stuff that when even though holding people accountable is incredibly credibly important and still needs to happen there. Is this reality that future politicians and current politicians have to juggle. which is that civilians are fucking over it like I? Mo civilians are not like our listeners fatigue that wants to you know be continuously informed about everything people are bubble. Don't always want to talk about it. Now it's funny honey. I got invited to A friend of mine's like family Thanksgiving gathering Back in November And she was like I didn't end up going but she was like I really love hanging out with Unilever ah discussions but if you were to come into my family gathering just I would just need you to turn it down a little bit. Just don't bring anything up and that was like I don't know your family. I wasn't GonNa like argue about trumpet. Your thanksgiving dinner and and she's like I'm just giving you a pre warning. Just keep a cash okay. Here no allowed. I didn't hear little loud. With your opinion yeah tone it down a bit my hair. No the GEICO at the Blue Hair who works for the political podcast. I might have no not me. Yeah so people in general overture. They wouldn't show up with like a pink pussy hats and like fuck trump shirt impeach the motherfucker shirt banners and a number one foam finger trump. Sucks ass on it or something and like just like covered head to toe in sort of Democrat a coup trauma. Yeah and then. It'd be like Thanksgiving the weather about the presence. Good sketch by the way. Yeah so funny sketch idea. She's like don't bring it up. Meanwhile insurance just like impeach the motherfucker. Yeah anyway. I didn't go so I didn't want to go but I would have for her sake. Yeah Yeah I I do think is a reality. They've of people right now. Just show up in that outfit and be like about those cub hike. The other day was nice. It's nice here. Is that a show. Last night and some guy in the front rows wearing the huge oversized for his head camouflaged trump hat that he had adorned with like pins in various writer. No organizations were opinions and it was so hard to just like not saying anything about it. 'cause it was also oceanside so. I'm pretty outnumbered numbered there when it comes to like Republicans. That's a little bit of a red but just talking about people showing up to social gatherings you know making their political. He's very well known. This guy sitting here with a fucking conductor had of conservativism. You can even call it that conductor sports head. Ah Yeah exactly OSH Kosh. BA white nationalist. Alright are you guys ready for sabotage. Haley's all right. So Michael. Flynn withdrew his guilty plea and now. I'm pissed because I thought we were going to sentence him on January twenty eighth but the sentencing hearing for his you know first national security advisers now set for for February twenty seventh more than two years after pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and the delay comes after Flint asked the court to allow to him to withdraw guilty plea He said he was supposed to be sentenced on the twenty eighth For lying to the to the FBI and he was facing zero to six months in prison. they recommended six months soon. After you know the the DOJ was like well we were recommending probation. But now we're recommending time because he failed to be stopped being cooperator and it's unusual offer a relatively straightforward charge to hang in court this long but I guess Flynn's cases been unusual from the beginning The president has tweeted to wish him. Good luck in the right wing. Commentators have held him up as a conspiratorial symbol of the deep states. Undermining of trump's admiration So he he withdrew his his guilty plea and they've now delayed his sentencing. So we're GONNA have to wait and see what happens. See how Judge Sullivan the response. Yeah I don't see how there could be a change in indictments because we were saying this as soon as he started wavering. It's kind of hard is he'll yeah yeah exactly. It's like what he only has one guilty plea one count right that. He's plead guilty relying. Yeah Yeah and we know. He's is guilty of lobbying without registering guilty of other stuff kidnapping plot Christ in exchange for fifteen million dollars. I have to fly them out in the night Okay Yeah you're getting real bold. They're withdrawing that guilty plea. Would that resume especially with your Fox Fox News lawyer. WHO SUCKS ASS? Yeah so close to the finish line. And you're just tripping like a motherfucker COULDA had no jail But I think he's going to go for jail or a trial he could end up back in in a trial and that he's I think he's just angling for a pardon Yeah that that checks out so in that case I would drag this out past the election to where there's nobody left an office official partner. Oh good call. Wouldn't that be read. That would be so sorry now you have to go to prison and no pardon by by all right. Let's play the fantasy indictment league. I know it is GonNa be a tiny Dick they can't. It's just conrail conroy. Superseding Flynn good call. I will do Goulaine chiefly. Thinks she's hiding in Israel according to Hart's yeah that's what I guess. Some people have said who knows I wouldn't that makes sense. I could see that but it probably got sorry if they find out if the federal government or FBI or whatever finds out out. That's true. Then I think they would definitely draw indictment. If that's something that would be worth their time. Would they do that. I don't know it. May they might say it's not. They might be able to get him on six months if he goes to trial for lying. But I mean and then you have to remember bars in charge Glen though. Oh Glenn Yea I was saying if they can overcome that she's hiding overseas. Do you think that they just have an indictment waiting for her Sushi. Like ever may be steps foot over here could be Or do they do symbolic indictments. Even if like someone is overseas and they know that I would think Barr would want her in his grasp grass. Yeah to took control Lynn leg injury. The tree like he tried to do with Bernas. Yeah I think he kinda wants him. Yeah with that. It's for everything now doc All right so you have a gallon. I'M GONNA go with Superseding Nater I'm going to do a frigging plea deal for PARNIS OUR NAS. I don't know that that'd be nice. I don't know the bar's GonNa give that to him. He'd have to make that with the southern district I'll go with Chew Liani. Honey yes everything sorta hard now because you know you start realizing how corrupt bar is and you want these people to get indicted. And he's really putting a Fuckin- damper on her fantasy indictment. Louis Yeah Okay I'M GONNA do Tom Barrack. I could see that going somewhere. Yeah trump inaugural nice superseding freeman. Fru Man that I believe And I believe superseding Parnis to If we're going to go on what bar bar is going to do. And I'm GonNa do Pecker Nice all right that is how we played fantasy Indictment League Stick stick around right after this break. I'll be talking to bar mcquaid Muse attorney about what's happening at the Department of Justice and how we might be able to fix it. 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US Attorney can you explain perceived credibility issues with bad guys who flip and why they're actually more credible than a Lotta people think yes He really presents a very typical typical cooperator people who are associated with the defendant. Offer the most Not The most savory characters as you can imagine and you know one argument career prosecutors frequently make when they call people like that as witnesses at trial is to tell the jury remember. I didn't choose. The government didn't choose This person into our star witness. It's the defendant who chose to associated himself with this person But he made some really interesting allegations about the fact that Everyone was in the loop. It was president trump. WHO's directing the activity? Even you bar was involved and Mike Pence. I would think that what I would do as a prosecutor is sit him down for probably three or four days and go screw bet story in detail. Ideally the playbook is tell me me in your own words everything you know that happened about this topic and get them to just talk and talk and talk and then go back over it in painstaking detail. All right. You say that president isn't it. Trump was involved. Have you spoken yourself directly to president trump. How do you know president trump was involved? Who told you what records do you have? Who else was present present when this occurred? And you go over every single assertion. He has in that way. One of the goals is to try to corroborate what he has to say so if he were due to testify you can back him up with documents so that even people if people are not inclined to believe him when they see these documents It bolsters his credibility. The the other thing allows you to do is maybe find other witnesses who can either support his claim and you can put them all on and hear them all on the same story in which sort of authenticate each other or one of the things could even do if you find better witnesses than you can push him out. Altogether use them for lead purposes to identify these other witnesses. Maybe he will tell you you other people who were present who are more credible who can tell you the same information without having to rely on him as a witness so I think the big thing he does is he really demonstrates the Straits. There is far more out there in terms of the facts that we already know and really makes the case for why witnesses are so important in this trial. Yeah I think that's definitely One of the big takeaways from this. I'm sure Democrats will Hammer on in in the Senate trial for impeachment and this whole thing is kind of reminding me of of Rick Gates Swin when the molar team was prosecuting Manafort and they brought Rick Gates in as their witness And it they did exactly what you did. They went through this painstaking investigation. Corroborating everything that Rick Gates had said and I'm assuming they're doing that with the inaugural as well And I think he's he's cooperating on that but that's just speculation but he wasn't really believed that the jury didn't really like him very much but they you know even that one Trump supporter juror. was like look you gotta go by the documents and I think that Rick Gates lead prosecutors to a lot of different things and I. That's kind I'm how I'm seeing this. I mean you know maybe Rick Gates has a nicer suit. But that's kind of how I'm seeing this. No you're right I think a very similar. I watch a band of Fort Trial in Virginia and I can see why the jury found Ricky's very unlikable he admitted to much of his own misconduct. He was they kind of argumentative with the defense attorney and Cross examination. He did not come across as likable character. But you know keep him out. He was pulled in a fork. Best Bud in many ways somebody like that can kind of even taint the defendant but I think that oftentimes you've got someone who himself is you'd with some skepticism. One of the things you have to do is by supporting what they have to say with documents. It's really the documents that tell the story. But the cooperator can be helpful to sort of serve as a narrator reader. It's kind of difficult to make sense of documents. Sometimes without someone there to say this is what this document was but he sent it to me that I did this with it. It it kind of ties. Those things together and the story actually comes out through the documents. That person that cooperating witness is able to help give you a little bit of context text and explain what these were for example. We've seen some documents that have been produced by love partners. His Own handwritten notes which bear may not be admissible into evidence. But you can talk about the timing of these things. He can explain what was going on text messages or another great example where someone could provide context for something that might be difficult to discern in isolation affiliation. Yeah and and I also think something else that was helping out in that manafort case was just the way in. which the Muller team was was issuing its indictments they? Kind of put out these talking indictments indictments to to sort of illustrative stories. I think I think that that helped As well and that's kind of what these corroborating witnesses do. Now regarding regarding what Parnassus said about bar on the Department of Justice because used to work at the Department of Justice he said he a significant fear of the Department of Justice and Bill Bar. And that's why he's telling his story very on. TV which most indicted individuals generally don't do or at least advised against doing and he said he believes he safer telling a story than leaving his fate in the hands of our Justice Department and said he was more scared of Bill Bar than he is quote these criminals unquote and now. There's theories floating around out there that that Barr had him. Him and ego were arrested and gave a waiver for dowd to be his lawyer so that they could control the messaging. Keep him quiet or making the fall guy. I don't know there's a lot of theories going around and you know Kinda supported by the fact that Giuliani has yet to be indicted by the southern district. The Department of Justice tried to keep left parts of documents from getting out And now that he's willing to come forward you. It's even a possibility. that it's within the purview. Of Our Department of Justice to be part of this cover up as the way that parnassus describing arriving in I hope not and I have not seen anything yet to make me think that it is although I will say that William Bars conduct has I think created a credibility gap for him the way he Swept in and spun. The Mola report really cost him a lot of credibility in my view. And so I think that it leaves you susceptible to these kinds of allegations and conspiracy theories when someone perceived to be not an honest broker and He he does seem into have I. I don't know if it is a partisan viewpoints but at least you points of a very strong executive branch That causes him to make curious. Serious decisions You know there is this allegation that When the whistle blower complaint I came in the door? He took a quick look at it and summarily dismissed it. It's not Something that was worthy of further investigation. That too I think creates concern about Whether he is serving as an honest broker or is instead acting in the best interest of president trump but I would like to think that even if he were not seeing the world in the same way maybe a other fair-minded even-handed people would the folks of Southern District of New York. I think to date have shown themselves to be honest brokers. Their charges is the F. Jeffrey Epstein for example struck me as demonstrating independence their charges of Michael Cohen and even describing president trump is individual. You want then indictment. I thought illustrated the dependence and so I would hope that if they were being told to stand down for improper reasons. We would see resignations in in public statements from them about improper purpose. So I'm not ready to go there just yet but it's a sad day when we're even raising these questions about the trustworthiness The Attorney General of the Department of Justice and I think will you bar his brought that on himself. Yeah and that's the huge problem. It's interesting that you bring up the whistle blower complaint and how. He handled the mole report. Because I had just I was about to list off some of the things that have kind of been destructive tourist credibility or at least the credibility of the department. And that's you know not just Parnis. We you have the things that you mentioned. We have the McCabe investigation We have that the Cohen the case was shut down and had and was picked up. Eventually by the Manhattan District Attorney His dispute of his own inspector general findings surrounding the trump Russia investigation. He's now investigating. Komi this is news out from New York Times for years years old issue even the after the Geez cleared Komi So with all of these things and and you're right whether or not they're stand up or part of the cover up it's that trust is is diminishing and so how. How can we rebuild that loss of trust because my guess is it's a lot harder to get back than it than it was to lose in the first place? Yeah I think that's right. I think in the next administration there has to be a lot of work done to regain trust. Probably changes if not all at least in New Orleans we're live. We saw this after the Nixon presidency. A lot of laws passed and other things done to try to restore trust in the Department of Justice. I think the Attorney General of the next administration Astray Shen will will have to be that a very high priority. One of the ways you could do that is through transparency and trying to share with the public things that are going on but a ah a hard part of it is. There is much that must by its nature be kept secret investigations until they're ready Investigations ultimately resulting charges typically clear not shared with the public and so there has to be a fair amount of trust there on those but I think One way you can get to that is by having maximum transparency permitted oversight permitting Inspector General reports permitting Congressional oversight. We've seen the trump administration such as stonewall of oversight that I I think It creates its own problems of distrust in department when they won't even let Congress in to see what's going on we have On national security matters we had the candidate in Congress was supposed to be permitted to see even classified material as a method of oversight that came along there's post Nixon Post Watergate measures and so I think a full robust review by by Congress would also be beneficial to the health of the department the Justice and that is a good point too especially with working with Congress and Speaking of future attorneys general. Do you have a dream. US Attorney General. uh-huh you are thinking of in November se saying that the you know assuming the Democrat wins the presidency. There are a lot of great lawyers out there. You Know Sally L. E.. Yates comes to mind. Is someone who was Wonderful the lesson distraction served as the deputy attorney general certainly highly qualified to do that job but there were also many many other people who have served in government who would be excellent attorneys general. I guess I just want someone who has the experience And had A commitment to the rule of law and not the president who appoints him or her I think is the most important thing you know when I became the US attorney all of the US Attorney's Had An opportunity to meet with President Obama at the White House as a group and one of the things he said to us was remember that even though Oh i appointed you you do not serve being served the people the Constitution and if ever you perceive a conflict in those two interest. Remember where your loyalties lie. I think we needed attorney. General who shares that vision of what an attorney general supposed to be instead president trump famously stated I wanNA boy cone. I want to attorney general. Who will protect the? And I think he's found that William bar think we need to get back to Obama model of Attorney General. Who represents the people in that the President Yup same with Director of FBI Director C.? I. A. Director National Intelligence the whole intelligence community. I think they're all they're all intertwined and they're all linked so I think I think that is important and we also have to be careful not to appoint an attorney general. It's extremely divisive either. You know I'm sitting over here like I wouldn't it be great if Andy McCabe The new director of the FBI but but I don't know that that would be the best idea in world. Yeah I think that's right. I think we need to be mindful. that it isn't about who's tribe is in power we really indeed an attorney. General had a president who is prepared to Serve all of the people of this country. That's a big Bendon job that needs to be done Eh. Well I mean this. This president has made as part of his strategy to divide people because he perceives it to his personal political interests but it certainly not in the best interest of the the country and so I think united the country has got to be an important part of the next president in the next administration including thirty juggle. Yeah definitely be hard to get that trust back that we were talking about If you if you nominate somebody that You're pretty sure at least forty percent of the country doesn't like Rightfully all your not rightfully or not right. All right. Well thank you so much Your insights are always extremely helpful and I appreciate you taking time to talk to talk to us. Today it's I really really appreciate. She hit A. You're welcome. Always enjoy listening Tila she wrote thanks everybody. MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR YOU missed a law professor Oh your credentials go on forever and former US attorney. Bob Art mcquaid thanks again. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks alright everybody. 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Parnas accuses top Trump officials of awareness of Ukraine scheme

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Parnas accuses top Trump officials of awareness of Ukraine scheme

"The show we at nine eastern on. MSNBC good evening I'm Ari Melber with continuing live coverage of this trump trial. I should mention I mean for Rachel who couldn't be here right now because she's attending the funeral of a family friend. She does wish she could be here on another one of these historic nights sites so here. We are three years since a vote that upended more than politics more than norms more than traditions. The climactic moment is now here brexit. Yes England just exiting the European Union in London. You can see it. Thousands of people tonight celebrating all over over the place even as those around other parts that UK those who wanted to remain in the EU holding vigils many featuring the EU flag which will no longer fly in Britain. There are a lot of different questions for something that has been led up to for so long and there is. We're told by many reporters many in the country sensitive offensive. Now what now what now. Obviously we mentioned this international news because there's always more than what's just happening in our country going on but this also applies right here right now in this country as we process this together tonight a president on trial for his exposed plot to use government. Power our to use your money to use the money appropriated by your representatives and a coequal branch of government to do something that's been exposed to get an edge edge in the next election and the first votes in that election season of course are now just seventy two hours away and the Iowa caucus this evening. America saw the first formal vote the trial that shows where the members of the Senate are the new vote to block witnesses and evidence mostly along party lines which can preview the general coalitions that are likely to hold on what is expected to be the final verdict in the trial of president trump. Now we know when that verdict is scheduled for on Wednesday the calendar here emerging after the Senate voted by the narrowest of margins today to block any search whatsoever for evidence. Two Republican Senators Romney and Collins voting in favor but the measure failing as you have probably heard by now on a vote of fifty one to forty nine the other Republicans were rumored to swing votes ultimately siding with Mitch McConnell as well L. Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Basically saying the Democrats were too partisan and witnesses wouldn't change anything. Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Who is he's retiring? went out of his way to say something different. He noted that the house impeachment managers had proved their case. His word proved but he doesn't think that Ukraine in plot itself is impeachable. That is striking. Tonight we know something. We didn't know yesterday. A senior Republican senator who was described often as Mitch McConnell's best friend in the Senate thinks it is necessary to say publicly trump. Did it let me repeat that trump did it and the reason he knows that and the reason he's sharing that the reason he announced that now everyone can cure him. The the reason he says is because the house democratic managers proved just think right. There would have ever said that if the House didn't force this trial will other Republicans join in that type of factfinding when they give their floor speeches next week it matters. What the Senate fine so matter? How cynical the process has been at times? uh-huh the why as well as the what of this coming verdict and the new schedule gives the Senate the weekend off. They return Monday for final arguments from the senators vote on the verdict for the articles of impeachment Wednesday which is of course as mentioned just after the Iowa Caucus and the Tuesday state of the Union. Now the logic for the verdict may have to continue to accommodate new evidence that keeps breaking out in public even if the Senate would rather ignore evidence indeed the Senate is now on record saying they're not interested in evidence because even as the Senate is declining to take a single witness or a single document or even Subpoena John Bolton's Book Manuscript. That could've done that. Choosing to basically less informed than Bolton's literary editors the Senate has been side-stepping. What are also these increasing leaks drawn from the forthcoming book and today began with another one the New York Times with a scoop loop about bolden recounting how trump asked him directly to help with the Ukraine plot? It was in May of last year. That's over two months before the infamous phone call was trump as is Ukraine's president to investigate the Biden's May trump reportedly asking bolted call Ukraine's president. Make sure he meets with Giuliani. It's all about the investigations nations. He wanted Bolton and this is of course his narrative his version says of course he never made that call what's more bulletin reportedly says White House Chief of Staff Mulvaney and White House Counsel Sit Bologna. Loni were in the room where it happened. Of course I don't mean to plug the book's title but that's what he says and not only would seem to make witness testimony from both Bolton and Mulvaney Laney so relevant to the trial but it does other things here presents. The problem that trump's latest White House counsel may share with the one that trump of of course put so much pressure on during the Miller pro. Trump's demands making him a witness to potential wrongdoing impeach. Managers had actually flagged this. They wrote a letter saying in Mississippi Baloney could actually be a material witness what we sometimes call a fact witness in this whole trial. And that's not all more evidence today. A new letter from live partners Giuliani's now indicted right hand man in the Ukraine plot. You may recall earnest of course sitting down with Rachel for Very Newsworthy interview. A couple of weeks ago. Now in this due letter addressed to Mitch McConnell Arneses attorney lays out what he could testify to if he were called as a witness quote partners would testify to the efforts. He and a handful full of Republican operatives engage in over a period of months to remove ambassador the amount of h together dirt on the Biden's harness would testify those holding various roles in this plot lot included. GOP SUPERPAC America. First President trump vice president pence Rick Perry Mike Pompeo. Bill Barr holed up Lindsey Graham Congressman Devin Nunez Nunez staffer Derek Harvey Journalist. John Solomon who recently has disappeared from Fox News and Attorneys Joe Agenda and Victoria tensing. Of course Rudy Giuliani and others. More from this new letter quote. He's prepared to review and explain relevant phone records. Text ex- messages and other evidence in connection with these activities texts phone calls. This is the stuff that powers any trial. It's evidence assuming zooming you want materials for an actual trial and all of this brings up some other news. I can tell you tonight. In this hour we will have an exclusive interview with with love Parnis about these new allegations another sign that a lot of this is still very much alive while the Senate picks up a pretty fast scheduled to try to make it not alive for much longer and that's not all because foreign policy grinds on the trump administration here is brand new footage secretary of state. Mike pompeo today meeting with Ukrainian. Presence Lansky assuring Ukraine's president the. US still has his back. Even as more evidence emerges by the day of trump's scheme to of course I leverage this relationship for his own domestic political goals goals that Lamar Alexander says clear as the light of day goals that have been proved secretary. POMPEII on page own role in the scheme has not been fully. Explained in Pompeo today still wouldn't actually commit to a date for the White House meeting that has been at such issue for president. Has Insulin Ski. And president trump so it is a lot joining me now to talk through the new developments have Robert Costa national political reporter with The Washington Post host a moderator of Washington Week on PBS and at the desk is part of our ongoing continuing special coverage my colleague Lawrence O'Donnell host the last word on MSNBC former Federal Prosecutor Mile Laugh wildly Michael Steele former chairman of the R. N. C. and former federal prosecutor. Joyce Vance. I WanNa thank everyone here at the desk on Robert Costa and everyone when at home it is quite the end of quite a week with a lot going on Robert. As you're watching this all unfold today you are also reporting on exactly what's it's driving different. Senators including Republicans in states where they may have to explain some of this soon. What is your reporting five? The story of Friday they night really began on Tuesday evening when Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell gathered Senate Republicans any told them bluntly he did not I believe he had the votes to block witnesses and ever since Tuesday meeting. You saw many Republican senators face reckoning a choice for their own political career. Would they go and push for witnesses or not and at the end of the day. Many of them based on my reporting made the calculation that they did not want to be out on a limb was Senator Romney or Senator Collins and they did not want to be seen as mavericks in history mostly because they believe in many of their voters believe that the house process this has been flawed so they felt like they had an excuse despite not in many respects privately. Accepting the president's conduct as appropriate Senator Alexsandr actually called an inappropriate but such a resistance to fighting this president in public and they know that fight would be brutal. Robert can you say the fight is brutal. Of course everyone can understand that. What does your reporting suggest about what we're going to hear next week? Because they have afforded time for senators to make the case in public reminded viewers to our special coverage in the past. There was a vote on that in the Clinton case and they kept it private. So we're going to hear more we're going to hear more Camara Alexander side of the story. Hey facts are facts or a lot more of the defense that trump's looking for it'll be interesting to track not only who speaks but who does not speak for example Senator Sass of Nebraska a Republican. He said today that Senator Alexander speaks for him that Senator Alexander Statement Really embodies where he is but he has declined to talk to reporters so many Republican senators say look toward their own reelection. People like Cory Gardner her in Colorado are trying to find a way to win over suburban voters without generating the wrath of president trump. So Senator Romney may give a speech each. He's probably the one most watched by his Senate Republican colleagues because he voted for witnesses. The question now will be. We'll send a Romney and Senator Collins vote to acquit. quit or will they vote to try to remove president trump from office. Why would cost to let me take it to the table? And thank you for your reporting as always Lawrence. What does tonight mean? Well the McConnell era in the United States Senate means that the constitution has been reroute rewritten in the following way a Democratic president is not allowed to name a Supreme Court justice in an election year and a Republican. President cannot be impeached in in an election. Year that's it. That's what we've established. You know one of the big mistakes when people were throwing around precedents especially the managers. Did this a lot. They said any the future president. A Democrat. Any future president can now do X.. No that's not what they're saying. Republicans are saying a republican president who scares us. Republicans as much as Donald Trump does can do this. They're not seeing any other. President can do this. They are not in fact setting precedents. That's that's not what they're doing. They didn't live by the president that they set for themselves in the Clinton impeachment. They're not gonNA live by this. The president that they set a Democrat did half of the things that Donald Trump was accused of in the presidency. These very same Republicans very same Republicans in the house would vote to impeach him the Senate they vote to convict my. What did the Senate trial? Thus far achieve I think importantly it achieved transparency for a lot more Americans into what what happened because even though we know that they're witnesses and documents that were not forthcoming. It gave the house managers and opportunity to do what didn't happen happened in the house which was to put it all together in one story and play it all out for the American people. I do think that matters particularly since people have to translate that into to what they're gonNA do in November. I also think sorry. I also think it's important to understand. Just how significant this is for our constitution because while I agree with Lawrence that it's there's political for people to see just how political when you have a Lamar Alexander. Say Oh yeah he did it. But let's have a discussion about whether that's okay. I do think it starts that discussion and I do think that matters. I think I think the big takeaway I I think Lawrence nailed be underlying kind of energy here. And how this thing plays itself out in the future Everybody reverts back to okay status quo ante wherever we before okay. That's what we're GONNA do. But I think one of the big the big takeaways ways is also the test and it's going to be borne out this November. I think to your point by the test of the resiliency of this. This thing that we call democracy the system these institutions trump has put it through an incredible stress tests by every measure in every way culminating so far in this impeachment trial. And and so I think for the rest of the country to you both of your points about the process and how that plays itself what was done what was done. How how? How does this mean much or little to to me? It's going to be dissected in sort of absorbed in the body politic as a whole over the next few months and they will see how how America Response Lonzo not through Paul's not through the banging and clanging of drums but in the subtleties that they take into deciding who the next commander-in-chief achieve. This country will be so. I'm going to complement Senate Republicans. Because I think that they did something extraordinarily well. During this trial they made a compelling compelling case for the need for the witnesses to testify every time one of the Republican lawyers strode down to the well of the Senate and talked about their view of the case. All that they were telling us was. We need to hear from the witnesses because we don't really know what happened here and now we're seeing John Bolton's book snippets of it in in paper. We don't know what he would testify. Are you and Maya know this. There is nothing like hearing a witness live and in person to know what that testimony means. We didn't get that from this trial while at the end of every case I've ever tried. There's been a sense of finality. That's what you're supposed to get in our system of justice. Your questions are answered. Maybe not all of them but but enough of them that you can make a decision in a criminal case beyond a reasonable doubt and then we know what the facts are. Nobody walks away from this trial with the sense of finality. Not If anything. There's this pregnant pause waiting to see what this president will do next now that he's been emboldened to do it to do anything we're joined live on Capitol Hill by Oregon Democratic. Senator Jeff Merkley so I want to get to him. Thanks for being here. You bet good to be with you before we get into all of where we're headed. I'm curious Given what we're covered with some senators outside of the Democratic Caucus saying trump did it. Do you have a sense. Given the time you've all spent in that in that Senate floor together. What portion of the Senate thinks he did it? I think the vast majority of the Republicans and all the Democrats. Let's think he did it. So many of our Republican colleagues have acknowledged to us that the acts of of this man. Donald trump are completely unacceptable. There's so much evidence presented but they feel trapped by the power of the base of the Republican Party. So let me follow up this way because this is really interesting interesting and I think Senator Alexander uncorked more than perhaps meant to as we go into next week. Most of the things he did it. And as you say there's a political calculation of their fear of of the response of cutting against him and there's also what I might call the minimization. Well he did it but it's not quite bad enough. Do you have a sense of what would be bad enough for them. I think that's a very interesting and important question for the Republic right now. Had the investigation actually been announced or how to proceed it or had a member of the Biden family been arrested abroad. Is there a line at which more of the Republican colleagues you say basically privately or otherwise indicate he you did. It would actually be moved or is there no line. I think there is no clear line because so much could have happened and they are made the argument. The lawyers made the argument on the floor that as long as the president had in his mind the fact that he considered this in the national interest then it couldn't be criticized sized. It couldn't be impeachable and while that sounds absolutely absurd and it is under any rule of law it is a story that the Republicans Publican's claiming in this process and I must say tonight was a tragedy and a travesty. It was a tragedy because we we now have a trial for the first time in. US History of Senate impeachment trial turned into a cover up. And it's a tragedy because this is going to reverberate for the dysfunction of the Senate and the empowerment of an imperial presidency for who knows how far into the future. You call it a cover up my colleague Lawrence O'Donnell was saying it's a type of precedent but because it's a power grab it will only be used in the service of certain goals. We should note as you say and for viewers on the historical facts acts. This is the first this will be the first impeachment trial of any a federal official president. Judge any that has zero witnesses which is which is really a way to put it in context. When you look forward do you consider the discussions that will happen for example on Tuesday As actual jury deliberations or what is what is your view of the next few days. And what McConnell's doing no. I don't think we're going to see anything. That looks like deliberation. I think we're going to see essentially senators coming to the floor taking up to ten minutes to state their views but they will not all be in the same room at the same time not be on on the floor of the Senate together. This will be them kind of putting their statement into the historical record and that's really losser. No point in this trial will we have sat down and talk to each other about what we're hearing as a normal jury would and this also is. This is another failure of the way. McConnell directed the show if you will Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon on a very long day. Thank you for joining US really appreciate it. You're welcome to take care of it. I WANNA bring I want to bring Senate former Senate staff dafter actor Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC host and other titles back into this. Because does it matter that Mitch. McConnell also seems to have short-circuited circuited senators having to engage with each other. You know even in a cynical observers view you know how that can work and whether there is would there be any value to that there there is a value to it and I know it's it's it's not something. The journalism community likes very much but the closing of the doors of the Senate. which is this rare thing? That pretty much only happens impeachment. Trials Charles is this moment where the senators are actually speaking directly to each other in a way that they never do in the public version of that chamber And really the the the one of the indicators of how broken this is is that. They're not doing that and some of the people who don't want them to do that. Are Mitt Romney and Susan Collins. Who who want to be able to speak in public and one of the reasons they want that is that they don't they don't trust their voters to think anything? Anything honorable can possibly happen when you close those doors and only get worse when you close those doors right That's how broken this place is and so you know. Romney wants to have that moment moment and he should have that moment where he tells people why he's voting the way he he is. Susan Collins wants that moment she needs it to to get reelected but oddly enough this inability he to close the doors at that point and have the real deliberation is part of. What's so broken about this trial fast? When you said before we lose Robert Cost I want to just bring you back in and Lawrence makes the point that if you have a den of thieves and you turn off the lights? Most people expect more wallets missing. But that's one more aspect of this. I'm Mitch McConnell has both at Times Ben. Classic Turtle in control during this he definitely got voting needed but in the beginning day he seemed to have to back off a little bit today. There were few hours where he seemed off balance. What is your view of how he has been playing this out as we head towards a Wednesday verdict from the start leader? McConnell has focused on not bringing witnesses Ford when it came to procedure. It was always negotiable. We saw that from the start. Were Senator Cruz and Senator Collins and others at different sorts of requests about how this would all unfold but he knew as a political strategist that if he brought witnesses forward it would have immense risk for president trump who he's in a transactional political relationship with and potentially some of his members so as much as he didn't mind. Senator Cruz talking up. A trade ambassador. Bolton for Hunter Biden or Vice President Biden his allies always told me his his top as always said he didn't want to see witnesses move forward but he'll he tried to make it so it will be framed in a partisan way so he could blame the Democrats. That's what he he kept telling US members behind the scenes. Don't blame me. Don't talk too much about the case. Blame the Democrats. Blame the House and let's try to move on. That's always been the goal from day one. Yeah late it on the rain late on the game Robert Costa. Thank you as always. Thanks to my colleague Lawrence O'Donnell who has to go get ready for what. I'm sure we'll be a very interesting unusual back here at ten o'clock at this table with a different show right there you have it the panel stays up next. We're going to speak exclusively with someone who says he actually believes he could still change the course of this trial if only they would let him participate Giuliani associated. Levar live next. 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She's badmouthing. She's saying bad things about them. Do you actually believe that she did about them and save out things about him or do you think this is part part of this information campaign to make that. Don't believe in that so I want to apologize to her because At that point I believe that but I don't believe that now after reevaluating waiting seeing everything that transpired. Rachel's interview with former Giuliani associate love partners on that role in the campaign to oust Marie Ivanovich. The ambassador was formerly recalled from her post as ambassador to Ukraine on May seven two last year. We now know that was thanks to reporting for the New York Times about the same period that the president reportedly director correct John Bolton to pitching with Ukraine pressure campaign to try to get at the Biden's now even though you've technically recalled last spring she was still employed at the state it department until now a person familiar with her plans telling NPR. She has now quietly resigned from the foreign service after more than three decades is A. US career we are diplomat now recall in the recording released by life partners that appeared to capture president trump in two thousand eighteen ordering his team to take her out talking talking about that recording. Just some of the evidence of Mr Partners would have been able to testify about if he had been called as a witness in the Senate trial that recording is also not all that that he has to offer according to his council today he and his lawyer laying out. Excuse me something of a roadmap of the testimony could have testified to and according to him corroborated with additional additional physical evidence including text messages and phone records everything from the genesis of his relationship with trump and Guiliani and loves actions in Ukraine on behalf of the president as directed by Guiliani Harness. Also saying he has a story to tell about the roles of pence rick. Perry pompeo Bar Senator Graham Congressman Devon Nunez and that is just the tip of the proverbial evidentiary iceberg. The Senate may have decided not to hear this has has to say. But that doesn't mean he cannot be heard like Mr Bolton. He has his own way. Begun speaking out and unlike Mr Bilden he is speaking out pivotally right now tonight. Joining me left partners former Associated Guiliani. He joins us by phone from Florida. And Joseph Bondi. Mr Partners is turning his here here as well. Thanks to both of you for being here. Thank you Mister Peres. Thank you for having your. The letter makes several interesting sets of topics available available to everyone right on page. One you talk about the team of people trying to oust the ambassador. And you mentioned both attorney. General Bar and Senator Senator Lindsey Graham Both obviously current officeholders. What can you say about role each individual mention how the different robes some agreed with the situation? Some disagreed with it. But someone just sucked into it and some of them were against it like Ambassador Bolton and I want to also make it clear that when I gave my interview to Rachel I wasn't aware that the these clips besser Botham's Booker GonNa come out and I stated stated very strongly than than basketball because I figured integrity he will tell the truth and the he tells the truth. It will validate everything that I said because like I said casinos everything that was going on because he was in the White House. I know everything that was going on. Because of two sources of a I was on the ground but the directly in contact with Rudy Giuliani. who was basically the president's right hand to mastermind the whole plan and one of the things that I think? Senators are very scared For this to get out AH witnesses. Because it's not just John Bowl mass say it's what can the worms they're gonNA open up and they think when the book comes out. There's a lot of things that are gonNA start coming out like like some of the ways that About thirty which was fired. I mean it's just embarrassing to go into it I think when the bachelor both comes out and says because Israeli Juliani went several times and came back and told me the situation. It's very upsetting to see Patrick. Aloni and J sokolow mean they were. I mean uh-huh was in several meetings and I think when the book comes out They'll be also something of a revelation aware of passable only being in any meanings other than the one that Bolton mentioned according to The New York Times article absolutely There are several told me he was a majority was. TATUM MULVANEY was Mostly they're and Bolton was some POMPEO was some but SPALONI was most most of them Giuliani Tokyo. And when you mentioned as I as I said earlier Lindsey Graham. What if anything Guiliani say about Lindsey Graham's role in removing having the ambassador and was he aware at the time of the larger plot of trying to get the Biden? Probe at that time before Lindsey Graham was to my knowledge Giuliani told me his involvement was going back to at least December of eighteen When he told me that One of his investigators gators Bart Schwartz had one of operatives Rights of letters to Lindsey that. You'll be I need delivered Talking about certain corruption than Ukraine than certain people that were associated. Oh Shit with it Giuliani asked me to me without individual which I did and that is a little bit then Lindsay back in January when we did the Shokhin interview Giuliani didn't trust the FBI. Or anybody could take it to the only person he said he trust is a Lindsey Graham. And that's what he would take two so we understood that even at early stages that let's grab was involved in a very aware of what was going on now what he did. That's what we we have. A you know a a trial for and if the witnesses come out you know we would hear more and we would see if he took any action on certain things that I could. Test Dates Giuliani Coq. Ten in your new letter you say you would have testified to a conversation that you'd say you heard between Giuliani Rick. Perry who was then running the Energy Department and quote you set a quid pro quo was conveyed by Mister Peres. Alinsky what can you tell us about that Absolutely those Part of the whole of planned secretary excuse me vice. President Pence was Cancelled to go to the inauguration the Ukrainians held it. Emergency Parliamentary into be able to get that done. Quick you're not to get embarrassed because they didn't know who the United States is going to send The reason why I refer with sandals because he is very good friends with Rudy Giuliani they know each other for a long time and He was shows because he will be give the right message. That's asked I wasn't aware that he was one of the three Amigos. But now Listening for the evidence it makes even more sense why it was buried. I went I know on the way there I was in Paris with Rudy. And he told me about The message that He told Bolton that both but secretary very too not secretary Perry to translate to present Dolinsky at the time and then one Perry left the Ukraine. We waited until he got to the states because he didn't WanNa talk from Ukraine and he called Rudy He was speakerphone where he basically told him that you convey Veta- message and that Everything going to be great and ski would follow through and actually If you recall when you take a look at that time so let's get did. Make make an announcement. He made an announcement about corruption. If I recall properly and that upset because Perry after the inauguration they wanted to be Biden's right there was the there was a back and forth about a draft statement. Love Hang with me. What I WANNA do harnesses the form Associated Route Juliani thing as well as Joseph Bondi? I mentioned who's turning. WHO's here we're going to get into that as well? What I'd like to do is fit in a quick break? Have you both stick around a little bit longer. We'll be right back with both of them when we return. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with Ezra Klein about his new book. Why were polarized? It's incredible look diagnosing housing. What might be the most dangerous dysfunction American politics right now? Polarization can be a problem anywhere but most of the time. It's not that big of a problem because functioning just what you mean is a parties. He's a very different from each other. And so they present different agendas to the elector at look at our system. Three of the four major power centers in American politics are controlled by the party that won fewer votes in the in the key elections. And you have this system where power is split up in a way that it is not in parliamentary systems. And so it is this system where you need this. High high level of compromise high level of agreement high level of willingness to see the other party as legitimate and even help them govern right not do things that you can actively really do under the rules to sabotage them. You need to let them govern. That's this week on. Why is this happening available now? Wherever you're listening to this podcast? Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the trial of president. Donald Trump we are in the middle of an ongoing interview with someone who is widely described as a potential witness in this trial. Lev parnis earnest and Associated Really Guiliani. He joins us by phone from Florida. And I won't introduce on camera because we haven't had a chance to hear from you yet. Joseph body was Mister Peres attorney. You may remember number. Both from their initial newsworthy. Interview with Rachel led by phone. Joe I WANNA talk to you about this because this is your client information formation but the material that made this back in the news is a letter from the law office of Joe Bondi you lay this all out for people who say okay Mr Parnis. Obviously the ASLI is trying to do anything he can to save himself. He has been accused of misconduct. Obviously and you're laying this all out now after having done around of press prior fire. What is new here and what is provable? Apart from his legal situation where everything in the letter is provable. Everything in this letter is a reflection of what love could say under oath of called the testify and what he could have corroborated by a lot of the materials. We've seen in the public domain. That hip see the intelligence committee that he had been releasing recently and freezing. We laid it out now is for so we were in Washington. DC This week. We took a unity walk from the train station to The capital I appeared with co-counsel Stephanie. Shuman in the gallery we answered questions we were mobbed by people. We had the chant of let love speak in the air. It was remarkable. But we've tried to do everything we can up until the very last moment to see that we could get witnesses and evidence because we thought that that would be the essence essence of a fair trial. And what is beneficial to Mr Partners as a defendant in all of this I think the truth telling the truth being complete and truthful and forthright upfront trying to speak to significant issues that have a profound impact upon our country is an defendants best interest. You also put out information about John. Dowd who many will remember the presence lawyer in the Mueller probe who had represented Mr. Parnis. What is the thrust of that? Is there an allegation of some untoward. Lord lawyering on behalf of the president there where we put that out in a document that we filed earlier in the week or last week. Even because we had a hearing last week Yesterday on whether we'd waive the attorney client privilege inappropriately as two other defendants turning over materials that were under subpoena in Congress. Congress and we didn't do anything inappropriately. We tried to get all of that material to Congress. But in our submission. We had an email which was dated October eighth day before our love Partas was arrested in which one of the president's lawyers John Dowd who came on in I think to circle the wagons and put a lid on live essentially essentially was apprising J. secular and gene Raskin who were of course part of the president's impeachment team along with Mr Giuliani and I think his then lawyer John Sale explaining to all of those people that live and equal from in would certainly not be responding to the congressional subpoenas that you've you think he was being a back channel and potentially compromising departments. It's a backchannel when you're sending a communication about your client to five six seven eight different people and letting them. I know that he would be towing the president's because because Mr Parnasse is listening by phone I'm GonNa ask you one question. Mike Pence I think Chuck Rosenberg then has a question here. Ear Vice President Pence is also a potential person. In this whole scheme. Your letter says you could testify about. I should note during the Senate trial. A chairmanship was suggesting that there was this extra material from pence aid and that it perhaps didn't match and thus could contradict one of Donald Donald Trump's defense. We should remind everyone we don't know by definition what was in That's supplemented material. Can you shed any light on that. And the role of Pants Hansen. What would your sources be for that First of all I think it's also coincides with What came out today in Wanted to experts in a of About Book I could have definitely validate because right after that meeting that Bolted had with Rudy Mulvaney Pepsico President I might be right afterwards and discuss the whole meeting and I was aware of it because we were going to. That was the trip of made that we were going with the grain and it was interesting for me to find out today. The voltage never made the phone call. Because I was always under the impression that both did make the phone call because folks by Rudy that Bolton would make the call and everything will be fine and they would greet it slowdown on that because this is about the new account and the New York Times Times that is sourced allegedly to Mr Bulletins forthcoming book. You're saying that Giuliani was under the impression that Bolton was at that time helping to engineer this this Ukraine plot and that in fact according to Bolton which may be self-serving he was already opting out but they thought Giuliani thought he was in on it with them. No Bolden was always against it. He was butting heads with Giuliani. Going back even then as well as tough so bolden was against Dog It but because The president told to do it We were under something that he's going to follow the order of thought he would follow through. And you don't know whether he did or not. I mean your information is coming from Bolton as well you know you didn't know at the time where he was or not. It sounds like that was. That's not well now. It makes sense. Why acted the way? They acted because They were being told not to meet with. Giuliani boat. Never made the foul call and they were very skeptical right and then they pressed onto the other channels. Stay with me. Love Chuck Rosenberg. Yeah I had a question for Mr Bondi if I may eh really maybe two questions Joe if you don't mind. Are you still trying to cooperate with the southern district of New York. The reason they may not want to do that is the the Information may or may not be valuable or credible thorough and complete. Is that still something you're trying to do. And then second question. After that one I would say our doors whereas open right and we've reverse things a little bit. Our door is open on Monday. We'll be in court again selecting trial date emotion schedule a trial date but our doors whereas over chuck's implying that doesn't seem like they're currently interested in your cooperate. Line just stand that. But I can't imagine why they wouldn't have heard from there must be a very very good Areso again typically that they don't find it credible or it's not about everything that issue came up with Mr Michael Cone where it seemed like he didn't WanNa talk talk about certain on. Well I understand but it was also late and he got stuck into this rule thirty five posture. Love is no Michael Cohen. And what he's been saying since before. Any of this evidence was released. Leased has been corroborated by the facts beyond change the evidence that he had was clearly valuable to the impeachment inquiry. Maybe the southern district is launching. Now we're moving into a high gear with their investigation or even the bringing of charges against people like Mr Giuliani. Maybe they have a plan to reserve. What is it this goes to the heart of it? Is it it fair to say that having not secured their interests in your private negotiations. You're now trying to make the more interested in public. Not Not really you know what we tried to do is pretty simple. We're dealing with a very low where we call sentencing guideline case. We're facing prosecutors. That didn't want to hear what we had to say. Say we were up against a time crunch with something of incredible importance. The impeachment inquiry. It's not every day that there is an impeachment inquiry and then a trial and we believe that if we could get our message to Congress that level be able to make the most profound impact overtime. But I want to give chuck one more Quick Josh. You're a letter sets up a very seldom used defense of Public Authority. Defense the notion that a defendant is relying on instructions from a senior official in the government and therefore can't be culpable criminally conduct seldom use seldom. Successful tell me about that. Seldom used because because the facts often don't support that correct right but here. This is a defense right out of what you'd call the you Sam or the justice manual and the defense has been right out of the federal rules of criminal absolutely and if you look at the statements Mr Giuliani that he is working as the president's attorney in furtherance of the President and his statements that Mr Parnell's is indeed working being in furtherance of his objectives. Mr Giuliani's objectives. I think we have that defense. I've gotta fit in the break. I it's been really fascinating particularly all of this with the expertise of the table. I Mr Partners joining us by phone on a big night when the Senate has moved away from witnesses you were one of the ones that some senators wanted. So I appreciate your jumping on the line with US sir. Thank you before we go. I just WanNa make one quick note. I can't wait till the more of the book of what both spoke to bar about because barred know exactly what Julia knew. We were doing there so I thank you for having me on your show and you. You think there's more to come. That will prove that about bill bar absolutely. I think there's a treasure trove. Just think about this. There is no such thing as coincidence. Me and Both speak we have the there was no interaction. And here you go all of a sudden I made the claim claimed bar no because I know he and then vote and makes the claim that he smokes and bar codes both of us lawyers with the statement so I think the truth will come out and say Moore experts look in his book. It's very interesting. It's very interesting what you say. Is We emphasize your your legal situation. Your witness Mr Bolden. Of course also a fact witness in this and had contact with a lot of these people we're going to keep our all that lead partner. Thanks to Joseph Bondi here in New York thank you much more ahead. We'll be right back. Welcome back to our coverage of the trial of president trump on a busy news. I am rejoined by Chuck Rosenberg Wiley Michael Steele and Joyce Vance dealer's. Who's choice a lot to get to but my I'm curious what you thought of? Some of the exchange. We just heard would love his lawyer. I'm struck one by the statements that there's corroborating operating evidence and I think the question is how much of this is corroborated for instance. So William Bar I think is someone. We're all very interested in. I know I I am. Because he's up at the top of the Justice Department which we would like to be a just department and a lot of questions about whether or not he's behaving in the way that the top law enforcement officer of the United States should behave but is there corroborating evidence or does he just know that he was in the room during certain meeting. Well that goes to what Mr Parnell was saying at the end as always you have to be clear and skeptical about what you're getting from a fact witness in any situation let alone his but he tried to make the argument at the tail end. They're over and I'm restating. It was over the phone and it's hard to follow. What he was saying is look I could name check anybody before? Bolton was was pinning this on bar I was saying and now holden concerned. If you don't believe me if you believe that well. And that's the reason I want to know about the corroborating evidence is because I think that is what it because some it does matter to some of what we're hearing from Mr Bolton's book. How much of it is actually corroborating audiotape or emails or or other forms of evidence that make it impossible for folks to deny that it's time to open seals? Not John Bolton's the first book is not as first book so that goes to what I was saying earlier. I mean this is a guy who's going to be very careful about what he puts in the book and the thing about about I've known I've known Bolton and others In this space along time. They're very meticulous. That very careful the interesting about Parnis. This is I get all the other ancillary kind of crazy noise around him in the kind of sketchy guy and all that but he seems to have receipts to. I mean he's young. I mean at least at least for what we've been able to see so far joyce now just kind of having this little back and forth on this you know really what you are able to deliver. And I think that's going to be the next test apartments and I have to fit in a break because those interviews ran so long. I want to thank this panel so much insight on such a big ignite and we will be right back. US Senators finally left the Senate chamber around eight PM Tonight and this trial of the president will reconvene Monday eleven. Am they'll have four hours of closing arguments. The Senate will then go into a legislative session which means centers will have the chance to make the kind of statements one would do in deliberations but those are just public consumption. Then we now know the final vote. The verdict for each article impeachment will happen Wednesday four. PM on Tuesday day after centers finished making their statements about whether or not to remove trump from office. 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1-21-20 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

07:36 min | 1 year ago

1-21-20 What's News

"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive. The voices network. Welcome to the impeachment trial of Donald John Trump beginning January twenty first two thousand twenty three years and one day after he took the oath of office. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell on Monday finally began circulating proposed rules. which would give each side? Twenty twenty four hours over just two days to present their arguments. With no guarantee of witnesses. Senators will then get sixteen hours to question the house impeachment managers and trump's legal team then four hours to debate whether to call witnesses if a majority votes for witnesses the two sides will make motions for the witnesses. They want to testify followed by votes on whether to subpoena them. The rules are similar to those used. In former President Bill Clinton's trial although unlike and like in that trial evidence from the house inquiry will not automatically be admitted. Democrats accused McConnell of rushing the trial and hiding evidence. These rules will likely have the Senate and session all night and into the early morning hours as it tries trump for a high crimes and misdemeanors. Here's the tentative schedule role for day. One in the early afternoon. Democrats and Republicans have their party lunches in the capital at around one PM Mitch. McConnell will offer his resolution which will detail L. The rules for the Senate trial each side then has an hour for debate at around three. PM Eastern Chuck Schumer the Senate Minority Leader will. We'll move to amend the rules package to allow for witnesses and documents at the front end of the trial. That's also subject to debate for an hour on each side side. We don't know exactly how Schumer is going to try to amend the rule package he can force one vote or multiple votes seeking to amend the package in different ways. The Democrats priority is to force votes on guaranteeing witnesses and document production as part of the trial. But their efforts to amend the package are almost certain into fail wants. Democrats finished trying to amend the rules. There will be a vote on the package and the trial will then begin. Those Republicans is most likely to opt for fairness. Well three of them are looking as if they may do the right thing. Senators Susan Collins of Maine Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mitt Romney. Omni of Utah have been at the center of a media frenzy for weeks in order to change the rules though they'll need a fourth Republican to join them the best bet I bet well it comes from a group of veteran Republicans who either believe in protecting the Senate or are retiring and thus have less to fear from a vengeful trump. This group includes senators. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee Rob Portman of Ohio. Roy Blunt of Missouri and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. And if you're planning on watching gavel to gavel coverage of the impeachment trial that might not be so easy this time around so much for that First Amendment Capitol Title Hill Press Access restrictions big restrictions are being put into place beginning with a magnetometer in the Senate gallery which means that reporters must wait in line to enter. Enter and leave the chamber something that will undoubtedly caused a noisy disruption to what's supposed to be a solemn trial and a delay in the public receiving information about what's happening in the chamber. I know you're thinking at least they're c-span not so fast. My freedom loving friends. The Senate and House control the C. Span cameras in their respective chambers. McConnell well has made it clear that he'll use that control aggressively stay tuned. I guess a new C. N. N. poll released Monday shows that fifty one percent. Santa Americans believe the Senate should vote to convict and remove the president from office during the impeachment. Trial Forty five percent believe the Senate should vote against conviction and removal. Almost sixty nine percent say the trial should include testimony from new witnesses. Who didn't appear before the house impeachment? Investigators Republicans though are split on whether there should be witnesses at the trial. Forty eight percent are in favor of new witnesses. Forty four percent are not. This was the first major national phone poll conducted since the articles of impeachment were sent to the Senate and since love Parnasse the indicted Rudy Giuliani. Associate appeared on Cable News shows in implicated trump in the Ukraine pressure campaign. The Washington Post is updated. It's fact checker database writing on Monday quote three years after taking the oath of office. Donald Trump has made more than sixteen thousand two hundred false or misleading claims a milestone. That would have been unthinkable when we first created the fact. Checkers occurs database that analyzes categorizes and tracks every suspect statement. He is uttered the current Total is sixteen thousand two hundred and forty one and and growing now lawyers for love Parnasse the Soviet born businessman who was involved in the campaign to pressure Ukraine to investigate political rivals of trump Asked on Monday that attorney. General William Bar disqualify himself from overseeing his criminal case because he's too many conflicts of interest harnesses lawyers wrote wrote to Mr Bar. Mr Parnell who was charged in October in Manhattan with violating Federal Campaign Finance laws requested that a special prosecutor instead be appointed it to handle his case. It is in the public interest to remove this matter entirely from the Department of Justice. Make sense to me. The United Nations Human Rights Committee has ruled that refugees fleeing the effects of climate change cannot be sent home by their adoptive countries. This landmark decision gives new legal the power to displace people around the world and squarely positions the climate crisis as a humanitarian issue. News of the ruling comes as global leaders. Gather in Davos. Oh Switzerland for the annual World Economic Forum. This year's focus at the form is climate change and Swedish climate activist Greta. Turn Berg took the stage Tuesday to admonish punish world leaders for doing quote basically nothing to reduce carbon emissions protesters. Puerto Rico are demanding. The resignation of their new governor Wanda Vasquez after the discovery of a warehouse. Filled with supplies thought to be from twenty seventeenth hurricane. Maria that's was fired. Three members of her cabinet after after the discovery including the Director of Puerto Rico's office of Emergency Management and the secretaries of family services and housing officials began distributing the hurricane. Maria RIA supplies Monday. The Islands Department of Justice will be investigating how the supplies ended up languishing for years while citizens on the island struggled old and in celebration of Martin Luther King Junior Day. Eight of the Twenty Twenty Democratic presidential candidates marched together in South Carolina on Monday to honor the slain civil rights leader Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders. Amy Club Jar Pete Buddha. Judge Tom Steinmeyer. Divall Patrick and Tulsi Gabbard all linked arms and marched together. If they can do it so can we. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sampler if you appreciate these reports on the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. 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Vindman: Trump-Ukraine call record omitted Biden-related mentions

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:09 min | 2 years ago

Vindman: Trump-Ukraine call record omitted Biden-related mentions

"The show we had nine stern on MSNBC they sent him and his wife dead rats the mail this is from the resentencing filing that his lawyers ultimately made on his behalf quote Mr Bell was indeed threatened Ed rats to him and his family which is not a subtle thing hard to miss that message even years later when he was appealing to the so his co-defendant who was severely beaten by some of the other gentlemen involved in this crime with this crime was was wife and his child beyond the dead rats there was more but he would only address those on a confidential basis for the court he was trying to make the case made up worthless companies but then in conjunction with the mob with the Colombo crime family to be specific that firm would sell all of their shares at that higher price they get all the money they'd cash out then the price of the stocks would collapse the mobsters make off with tons of money all the suckers operated for the primary purpose of earning money through fraud as laid out by federal prosecutors in this case the basic way it worked was that there was just tens of millions of dollars in illegal profits quote although euro-atlantic held itself out as a legitimate brokerage firm it wasn't fact got strong armed or tricked or intimidated into buying all this worthless stuff to pump up the price of those stocks those are all the people that got soaked and I know it sounds like Florida basically set up a New York outpost they set up basically a boiler room in New York and the mobsters and the crooks who worked at that boiler room were assigned court to lessen his own sentence in that case he said years later that he was still afraid to make public some of the other threats that had been made against him and his because he was an outsider at a foreigner he was used and extorted this is a guy who had pled guilty to his involvement in a criminal scheme pled guilty agreed to help prosecutors against the other people who had been charged as defendants in that scheme their response was to come after him including by mailing a pump and dump stock scheme connected to the mob and it was a big one according to the indictment in the case which was filed in the Eastern District of New York the scheme and to artificially drive up demand for these worthless stocks by a variety of illegal and very mob lake means basically forcing people to buy these stocks tricking firm euro-atlantic that was set up in Florida and not for him secretly owned big blocks of totally worthless stocks stocks in what we're essentially there were beatings there was intimidation there but when those stocks were ultimately bought up thanks to the work of that mobbed up boiler room that of course the court that he deserved more credit basically for flipping against these particular co-defendants given the kind of risk that he and his family took on to do that he was asking the court essentially give him more credit for that and there was a there was cooperation for his claims about how big a risk he was taking including not just the stuff about the dead rats in the mail people into it conning people into it intimidating people into it when people caught into the scheme and told them they wanted to sell those stocks that didn't want them after all they wouldn't allow them to sell them the kind of thing you might picture when you imagine like White Collar Wall Street crime I mean for example this one really did involve giant bags of cash money I would make the demand for the stock go up that would make the price of those stocks go up and then this firm in Florida that was the heart of the scheme Euro Atlantic once the price of those stocks was up kind of a a white collar thing I confess I have no idea what color shirts these guys war or if they were shirts at all but this is the this is not necessarily quote the defendants together with others laundered money by wiring profits from the fraudulent scheme to city check cashing in New Jersey after the prophet it's were wired to city check cashing defendant Steven Dibella detto and others went to city checks office and obtained cash in the amount of the wire transfers automatically they're getting cash for the amount of the wire transfers that literally means they're getting bags of cash that they're taking out of this check cashing place in New Jersey the cash proceeds were used in part to make cash payoffs and bribes for selling the stocks that were implicated in this scheme and just in case we're not totally clear on what that means see this check cashing place that's part of their money laundering scheme and if you want to imagine the size of the bags of cash that they're taken out of their look at the amounts of spelled out in the indictment on September twenty first it was forty five thousand dollars on October eleventh that was eighty three thousand three hundred dollars November seven th that was four hundred sixty eight on the Wednesday another hundred thirty six thousand larch all in cash gigantic bags of money that they're presumably thrown in the alongside their co defendant who flipped whom they sent the dead rats you had named checked guys like Colombo crime family members hunk of some mobster car and driving off with New Jersey to go pay off the various crooks involved in this game and presumably to have Carmella hide it in the crawlspace with Ak for was in two hundred dollars with that all in the bag place January fourteenth one hundred sixty six thousand dollars over the course of just one week in October these are transfer the sevens and the gold bars I mean this another way you know this was not your typical white collar crime was the list of guys named in the indictment three but it was the end of Euro Atlantic Securities Inc they were expelled formerly from the US securities officially by his dental records but contemporaneous reporting suggests that all of his missing fingers helped with the identification to even after he was wrapped up in a tarp berated this guy did love Parnis arrested earlier this month and the criminal trial that unfolding in parallel alongside the presidential straight they left a regulatory trail that doesn't tell you all that much about what exactly went wrong there but when you check the criminal indictments and ultimately the trail of murders of the people involved dumb and wild bill wild bill also went by very tabloid friendly name of billy fingers within a couple of years of this mafia stocks limbo organized crime family he would soon be murdered in a basement in Brooklyn they would not find his body until nine years later in a mob dumping ground scheme firm being shut down and expelled from the US securities industry for its Crimes Wild Bill Aka billy fingers who's described in the indictment as a captain in the I that they did in and out of that check cashing place eight hundred thousand dollars in cash on Thursday the following Tuesday they pick up another hundred eight thousand the following day your say was tied to an effort Mr Parnasse and his co defendant to get the US ambassador to Ukraine fired she of course was fired she a half million dollars back today a federal judge ruled in that case that love Parnis has to appear in court to give sworn testimony about his financial situation been stuffed under a flooring supply store parking lot for nine years so yeah this was not exactly your typical Wall Street crimes we testified in the president's impeachment inquiry in a way that gave us good sense as to why these guys might have wanted her fired might have wanted her out of that embassy and and his assets including specifically about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he was somehow able to scratch together to pay the National Republican Campaign Committee the President in Washington you know it's it's interesting to look at them both at once I mean it's interesting this guy you go back to his time at the dead inquiry in Washington C. N. N. reporting today that since his arraignment last week in Federal District Court in Manhattan love is under house arrest in Florida today we what's in the mail mafia stuck shop I mean we know from his publicly accessible records from his own time as a broker that he was there at Euro Atlantic at the the all county flooring supply store in Long Island New York by then his family had gone into witness protection authorities were able to identify his crane but given the links between this ongoing criminal case and the ongoing and increasingly serious impeachment proceedings brokerage firm for less than three months the next place it landed thereafter was another firm that also got expelled from the securities industry that also got and various Republican politicians and the super pacs supporting president trump's reelection according to this federal judge's order today it's just uncanny after the third straight firm that he worked at got shut down and expelled from the Securities Industry Love Parnasse finally appears oval case against him to court order from 2016 that ordered him to repay more than half a million dollars that he took from a family trust despite that court order you didn't repay the money that's why he's being pursued in federal court now by the people who he stole this money from among other things they've been following his own money trail and his own assets to try to get owed that gives you all the detail you might want and more Euro Atlantic Securities Inc that was their story WanNa know who worked at Euro Atlantic Securities and North for allegedly funneling illegal for incoming foreign campaign donations to Republican candidates and to the president's reelection pack it's an illegal donation scheme that prosecute expelled from the securities industry shut down by the federal government for its crimes he personally was not indicted but he was working there at the time the crimes happened and once that is that in addition to the criminal case proceedings pending against him in New York Mr Parnell has also been ordered by a different federal judge in Florida that he needs to testify under oath in a federal the firm was shut down on order from the feds had find another place to work next place he went was another brokerage firm ruin it for less than a year then he hopped to another so the president has a lawyer his name is Rudy Giuliani in Rudy Giuliani's capacity as the president's lawyer employs the sky love Parnasse as his absolutely shutdown by federal regulators for committing financial crimes left Parnell was listed as the director and president of that firm which got shut down by regular you have given up his work in finance of course we know that he lands on his feet because now he works for the president of the United States of America at least decide what is happening on Capitol Hill with all the impeachment drama. I mean there's this guy who is under arrest he's facing more than thirty years in prison he's charged with funneling illegal foreign money trump he engaged one of president trump's Russia lawyers initially to handle his defense that lawyer John Dowd you see on the right there then notified Congress in writing was we're not sure if that continues now while he's under arrest and awaiting trial but this is just a remarkable thing that is plotting along along into his lawyer John Dowd assists Rudy Giuliani in connection with Mister Giuliani's representation of president trump it's it's like this stuff just really Trailed him around imagine the bad luck every place he worked got shut down a criminal enterprise including all the mob stuff it's weird advocate that member of Congress tried to get the ambassador to Ukraine fired and member of Congress went ahead and tried to get the ambassador to Ukraine fired again Republican campaigns and then for at least one of those Republican members of Congress to whom he gave illegal donations he took a meeting with that member of Congress to I'm a of the crimes for which these defendants were all charged and left parties himself was not indicted when his company was brought down in this mafia indictment assistant as his little helper which seems crazy not least because John Dowd that lawyer wrote his letter about this Florida love partners needs to give that sworn testimony within thirty days which means he will have to fit it in around the criminal case that he's facing an indifferent Federal Jurisdiction Bob Stock Scheme before all the other stock schemes he was associated with that also got shut down by federal regulators in this thing that the president is being impeached part of the president's legal team this guy this guy who is under arrest the guy with the dead rat in the mail board of New York a different lawyer representing him in court made the case out loud to the federal judge in a federal courtroom that love Parnasse case was going to implicate executive privilege so there's this criminal case right sort of in parallel and alongside the impeachment proceedings and Capitol Hill but interviews for and providing materials to this guy who until recently worked at the Hill newspaper in Washington. He's no longer there but he has throughout the scandal here's got kicked out a Wall Street after that one got shut down the next place he landed was also expelled from the securities industry and shut down by federal regulators for committing crimes that his client love Parnasse wasn't just any witness they could call in to testify about anything he was a special guy they were not going to be able to get anything out of him because he Mr Parnis the idea that Ukraine could provide important information that would somehow look terrible for the Democratic Party and Vice President Joe Biden we know he was also involved in setting up I mean in that part of the scheme which the president is now being impeached it appears that good old loves parties played a key role in trying to organize the ousting of that Ukraine ambassador the president trump I mean pick a scandal pick any scandal in American political history turns because in fact this criminal case against Mr Parnasse does overlap with the legal present legal representation of the president of the United States because in fact left Parnis is all of that Mr Parnasse has been doing all of that work on this game for which the president is being impeached and while that's been going on Congress in the Comic Sans Typeface which made it seemed like it was maybe a joke but then sure enough when Mr Parnell got arraigned in court along with his co defendants in federal the president's reelection effort and other Republican campaigns there are enough pictures of him with the President and the president's eldest son in the president's lawyer I mean there's enough pictures of this guy men in this country fighting extradition so we won't have to go on trial here in a huge international corruption and bribery case his new lawyer's as he fights extradition now tin you'd writing most of the script for what president trump has been trying to gin up in Ukraine to use against the Democratic Party left Parnasse was involved in erm get the money the Washington Post now reports it's not totally clear why Mr Parnasse was paying Giuliani for the privilege of helping him up instead it appears that this guy is paying rudy. Giuliani admits that he's received a half million dollars from parnassus firm Parnassus the president and the president's that you could make a deck of cards out of these photos when this guy was first directed to appear before the impeachment proceedings against President off my back you pay him a half million dollars so that you can work as his assistant in his legal representation of the president figure who is under indictment and fighting extradition to this country he's on both legal teams simultaneously and I will also just note the claims is crime guy under indictment and at the same time what's the phrase from John Doubts note he is also quote assisting Mr Giuliani in connection with his representations up to his neck with this guy who was part of the League presidents legal team while he is under arrest and also while he is part of the legal team for a Russian organized crime trying to give him help against his domestic political enemies withhold their military aid and things like White House meetings until they did so she was in the way of that so yeah she had to go the someplace he's working for Giuliani when you work for someone that implies that the person you're working for pace you right to work for them lawyers for this indicted Ukrainian dark who prosecutors say is a top figure in Russian organized crime is longtime links Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin is currently under who's actually paying rudy for the work that he's doing on behalf of the president you know the president isn't paying him he says he's doing it pro bono but he about what this one guy represents and those two stories right I mean simultaneously as the president is being impeached this guy is part of the legal team representing both the Russian organ assistant is paying him a half million dollars and we don't know where that money came from and he's now under arrest at his okay that love Parnasse is also part of his legal team left has been working for them as they represent Putin connected Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry for cash Mrs assisting Mr Giuliani in connection with his representation of president trump. Okay well if you're assisting somebody that implies you're working for somebody charged with funneling foreign money illegally Republican causes in that's the super now in that is team trump here in for Mister Peres does seem to have been very diligent worker a very central part of that scheme he was making what prosecutors say were illegal donations squeaky clean totally above suspicion personal lawyer in this matter Rudy Guiliani Guiliani is denouncing the Colonel Donald Vitamins opening statement which was released by his lawyers late last night that the colonel also recounted himself internally raising alarm about the president's improper and juris behavior in the way that he was trying to extort Ukraine for helping a personal political matter he brought those issues up through the chain of command internally you're in the end that effort was successful Mr Parnasse was also we now now involved in setting up interviews on the Fox News Channel to help sell the under oath in the impeachment proceedings about the president's call to the leader of Ukraine in which the president solicited help against the Democrats Joe Biden from a foreign country we also know from ten hours despite his decades of unblemished and selfless service to this country including being wounded in combat president facing impeachment about some some scheme he's tried to cook up with some other country to help him in the next election what the president could you have ever even imagined I know from that ambassadors testimony in the impeachment proceedings that you can imagine why they might want in her fire that she was in the way of the scheme the president cooked up to try to get you but MR Kearney's being part of the president's legal team right the claim there is that Mister Peres is working for Giuliani right loved and conservative media President Rudy Giuliani all casting aspersions and basically trying to bring down hell on Colonel Vin men for the crime of him testifying nor where he was getting the money to do so Washington Post quotes love Parnis saying to someone late last year quote can you loan me five hundred K. so I can get rudy infantryman badge which is awarded to infantry soldier who fought an active ground combat his earns the Ranger Tab which means he's been through ranger school he's got a parachutist badge which means he's gone announced today by the president of the United States he was denounced by the president's supporters and conservative media including the Fox News Channel it was denounced by the president for some reason in this case that relationship is backwards there's no evidence whatsoever that Rudy Giuliani is paying this guy who was assisting him in the representation of president trump conservative media denouncing trying to destroy anybody who speaks against the president's interests in any context right go back to the Republican national can in two thousand and four he deployed to the war in Iraqi was wounded in combat in nevertheless stayed in theater finished his deployment returned to the states in two thousand and five he's earned the combat we expect it to a certain degree but it is still jarring to see them do it today to twenty year military officer who they or he ever consented to speak with these committees today in response to the subpoena that they gave him and we are used to the president and his supporters in particular American there were reports today that Republicans continue to use their time in these impeachment proceedings behind closed doors to try to unmask chest his dress uniform today it would take you a long time to do it as a civilian to match all of his awards with all of the medals on his chest the scheme for which the president is being impeached and so naturally the president his supporters have declared today that this guy is the real scandal here he and his wife received a number of dead rats on various occasions in the mail he was treated as a target as much as a CO conspirator perhaps the initial whistleblower initial intelligence official according to reports whose complete I alerted congress about what had happened between president trump and the leader of Ukraine that was the army airborne school he wears the expert Infantryman Badge in addition to his purple heart for being wounded in combat if you WanNa try to put a name to all of those medals that he bears on his sided to impugn as suspicious they've decided to question his patriotism his case specifically because he comes from an immigrant family so therefore he can't really be askin purpose today obtained a copy of his army service record shows that he has served in the US army on active duty for more than twenty years joined the army in one thousand nine hundred nine as an infantry officer this guy is the guy who everybody should be ashamed to be associated with this is Lieutenant Colonel Alexander vehement he serves as a top level staffer on the National Security Council Colonel Alexander Van Minh has just recently just within the last few minutes left the secure hearing room where the impeachment proceedings were hearing his testimony today he was there for more than van right or excuse me the Democratic National Convention and remember the president's denunciations of a Gold Star family that lost their son in war for this country lowest complaint of course has been multiple corroborated by lots of different trump administration officials including officials from the State Department and the Defense Department and now an official from the wirehouse the basic claims of an improper quid pro quo between the president trying to extort something out of Ukraine has also been corroborated by the fairly serious crux and we're nowhere near out of those woods yet tonight stay with us this season we're going even deeper with the law and order S._V._U.. PODCAST listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts was waging to try to help himself get reelected with the help of this foreign power that he was basically extorting to get them to do so oppositions to open public hearings as first reported by the New York Times last night the resolution in fact shows that the questioning at these forthcoming public airings the last word listeners Steve Kornacki here I wanna tell you about a new NBC News podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment it's sprint federal investigations being run out of the southern district of New York Politico Dot Com has recently reported that main justice meaning the Justice Department headquarters in Washington may be through Giuliani from what would otherwise be doing or concluding in his case but this is there's two things going on here there's The p basically dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment inquiry in the President Donald Trump every Monday Wednesday and Friday I'm going to be talking to NBC news up with witnesses without being on time five minute clock and so this is this is moving increasingly serious both for the president and his we got this eight-page draft from the House of Representatives laying out their rules they're expected format for the next phase of the impeachment inquiry as it moves from closed already under arrest the president's lawyer who was apparently running point on this game and who was apparently being paid by those guys is reportedly a person of interest in two e horning in on those sdn investigations of Rudy Giuliani and who knows what that means it may indicate some effort by Attorney General Bill Bar to try to shield quarters in terms of his behavior that has been exposed and the closed closing off of all of the various doors they've tried to sneak out of in terms of trying to avoid the core question at the heart of the impeached may in fact be led by professional committee staff rather than just by individual members of Congress which is a blessing to anyone hoping those hearings will tell like that's not just not going to get better over time for the president let alone his supporters who've been saying nothing happened the impeachment proceeding proceeds apace errant story of what happened here it's not just going to be members of Congress getting in their five minutes of incoherent questioning it's going to be trained committee staff who have continuity who are following it it's getting increasingly serious and it's being handled with seriousness by the Democrats that I think gives us some sense of how this is going to play out apple witnesses now as one of the one of the key people who was involved in carrying out this game he himself has corroborated the account that this was an improper quid pro quo the president went through transcript made changes and gave his written edits to his boss Timothy Morrison who is the current director of your Russia in European affairs at the National Security Council orders who are closest to the story to break down what's new what matters and what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country since you love the last word I thought you'd enjoy it but do not sleep on the criminal case proceeds along sided and in parallel with these Capitol Hill proceedings men two of the people involved in carrying out the scheme on behalf of the president raised an internal alarm after listening in on the president's call to the president of Ukraine because he believed that what he heard was improper and he reported up the chain of command license we've been on the air there's new breaking news to bring you tonight this time it is the New York Times that has just broken news some fairly explosive news about the test. Eight of their pieces quote Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Van Minh The top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council told House impeachment investigators today that the White House transcript of July call search now for article two inside impeachment wherever you're listening to this podcast and subscribe for free thanks for listening because it's the day that ends in night on the content of Colonel Women's opening statement we know that he was due to tell Congress today the impeachment proceedings about his concerns in the fact that he the president trump and Ukraine's president omitted crucial words and phrases and that his attempts to restore them failed citing three people familiar with incidentally Mr Morrison is due to testify in the impeachment proceedings of the day after tomorrow but in terms of what Vin men tried to correct in that testimony this is explosive Richmond investigators today that he tried to change the reconstructed transcript made by White House staff reflect those omissions but while some of his edits appeared to have been successful those hanging on the call as well as voice recognition software to create a rough transcript that's a close approximation of the call but names and technical terms are frequently missed by the software according to people familiar with the matter after the call took place in which Colonel Vitamin listened in he was given a hard copy of the transcript to make updates and corrections Colonel Vin men Schmidt and there's this criminal fight this is not just your average Washington fight over you know bad faith and bad actors this is criminal to and it involves officials handled the call including changes to the transcript and the decision to put it into the White House's most classified computer system it will also drive questions about whether those nations Carl Vinson said included president trump's assertion that there were recordings of Joe Biden discussing Ukraine corruption and an explicit testimony they describe this basic process times assessed tonight quote there's no recording of the July twenty fifth call by the American side the White House uses note takers evolved and seems like was properly involved in trying to make sure the White House transcript slash notes of that call were accurate but when he tried to materially fill in moves were meant to conceal the calls most controversial aspects yet well joining us now is Michael mcfaul his former US ambassador to Russia he served with colonel no doesn't resonate with me at all remember I worked three years at the National Security Council as a senior director listened to many phone calls and my direct explicit mentioned by Ukraine's President Vladimir Zelinski of Burris Maa Holdings the energy company whose board employed Mr Mr Biden son Hunter Colonel Vin men told the now according to Julian Barn Nicholas Dawson Danny Hakeem The New York Times we've got more detail as to what colonel testified about let me just tell you what the League deliberately to try to prevent people from knowing either inside the government or ultimately in this kind of impeachment proceeding knowing an accurate record of what happened and then correct the record just to make sure they get all the facts right especially as you just noted the proper nouns right who knows what Baristas while there's next to the transcribers because the transcribers aren't experts on US Ukrainian relations or U S Russian relations and so the directors would listen as well you basically locked down the evidence about the president's behavior here improperly classifying this material or moving it or making sure that the records were not correct stuff that was left out of the transcript his corrections were rejected does not resonate for you in terms of what you know about how foreign leader calls are handled it would be hard for me to retrace like who is the one that actually did the final edits usually it's the directorate in charge right usually it would be me out is shocking to me that is not standard operating procedure if there is a scandal here if there is something potentially criminal here in terms of the White House trying to yesterday we reached a new low however when I saw what people were saying about dual loyalties hyphenated adjectives maybe he likes all and then there's nothing to hide why did they put it on this super secret server why are we now learning that they did not put in factually correct corrections were not made colonel did not testify to a motive behind the editing process but his testimony is likely to drive investigators to ask further questions about how I'm not sure Rachel that's a great question I don't know the answer it it would be hard you know thinking I I had read multiple transcripts in my time at the White House suspect loyalties because he's from immigrant family I Rachel I want to thank you for what you already said about him before the break wasn't but who was responsible for that I don't know how you would trace that I do think it underscores something we've talked about before if this was a perfect phone to respond to the attacks on him from the President Conservative media some of the president's supporters in Congress essentially questioning his patriotism describing him as having some sort of in Moscow Mr Ambassador thank you for joining us tonight I really appreciate you making the time church glad to be here Rachel so couple of things are going on here i WanNa talk with you about yours rain more than the United States of America and even one suggestion insinuation of espionage because he talks to Ukrainian officials that's in his job description turn right this is the equivalent of what Colonel Edmon was serving at the time when he listened to that call they frequently would sit down there in the White House Situation Room a second polarized society here at Stanford we studied the causes of polarization. I personally deal with it I know you personally deal with that I felt and by the way working at the National Security Council and I just found it completely outrageous and you can tell you know just what have we come to pointed at the National Security Council because he is one of the best and the brightest and the idea that somebody with his resume would not serve the variance of kernel of Inman your reaction to the way his his testimony was treated today I do have to ask your reaction to this breaking news that has just come out from the New York Times that he may have been do you believe that the impeachment proceedings will ever be able to get to the bottom of that are these processes in the White House something that leaves enough of a trail that investigators will be able to find it honey that just wrapped up today from Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vin men who's the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council we know because the New York Times was first to report last United States of America is just disgusting it's outrageous and I want those people to apologize and remember what they're

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Guilty plea from Giuliani associate likely sends chill through parts of Trumpworld

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Guilty plea from Giuliani associate likely sends chill through parts of Trumpworld

"The show we turn on. Msnbc happy to have you here. Cnn is reporting tonight on what sounds like. It may be a dramatic turn in the investigation into the january. Sixth attack on the us capital now. Nbc news has not verified this reporting just citing. What cnn has reported this evening but if in fact this is borne out This would be sort of a big hairy deal What cnn is reporting tonight. Is that the january sixth investigation the select committee investigating the attack They're about to send requests to cell phone providers requesting that those cell phone providers preserve records from phone calls and the usage of cellphones by several people linked to the attack including members of congress the preservation notices or apparently reportedly due to go into the telecom providers as soon as this week. The committee chairman congressman bennie thompson. has also previously said that he starts to a plans to start sending out the committee's first subpoenas as of next week. The investigation into the attack on january. Six isn't just about happened that day during the attack in y the security arrangements in the capital were insufficient to protect the building from from being breached and members of congress being directly threatened. It's about that but it's also about how the attack came to be and who is culpable for arranging or indeed abetting the attack chairman. Bennie thompson is confirming tonight. That it is hundreds of people for whom they're going to be seeking cellphone records but if cnn's reporting is right and among those member among those people who cellphone records are going to be sought are members of congress which one's which members of congress are about to become part of this investigation. We don't Presumably we'll find out in good time. There are two very well known. Republicans in congress. You've already admitted that they were on the phone. During the course of the attack or at least on the day of the attack with then president trump. The leader of the republican party in the house congressman. Kevin mccarthy has said that he spoke with trump during the attack. Republican congressman. Jim jordan has also since admitted speaking with trump on the day of the attack as well but because the investigation covers not just what happened during the course of the attack but also what may have led to a have set it off. There's also hard questions. Of course being raised about congressman like paul. Gosar and congressman. Andy biggs both of whom have been accused of being involved in meetings and discussions with people who have claimed credit for instigating the whole january sixth event it also raises questions about alabama congressman mo brooks. Who gave a famously incendiary speech at the january. Sixth rally just before the attack on the capital started congressman mo brooks later admitted that he was wearing body armor under his flannel shirt and windbreaker that day body armor despite the fact that he also claimed that his speech that day was when he was talking about the need to fight that was just metaphorical thinking. He had no idea no inkling. There would be an actual fights no inkling that the crowd was actually riled up enough to go do anything dangerous. that day. He says had no clue of that. He just also felt the need to wear body armor while he spoke to them. And you know who among us can't relate to that right who among us has not slipped into full. Kevlar plates and a helmet while going. You know if the local league of women voters meeting heading down to the rotary meeting to commonly discussed the civic issues of the day with our fellow rotarians over a rubber chicken dinner. Don't forget your kevlar. But it's interesting about congressman brooks congressman mel brooks. This weekend spoke at the trump rally that was held in cullman alabama mo brooks is going to give up his seat in the house to run for the united states. Senate seat from alabama. That's coming up. He has attached himself at the hip two former president trump in order to try to win that senate seat. You might have seen footage about that rally this weekend. This is the rally where former president trump was sort of mildly booed by the alabama crowd for telling them that they should get vaccinated. Alabama is a state. That ran out of icu. Beds last tuesday. They've got federal disaster teams coming into their hospitals to try to keep them afloat. Because alabama hospitals are so overrun by very sick cove patients mobile alabama. At one point last week had no ambulances available. If you call nine one one there was no ambulance to come get you. Because they're so tied up with cove patients there and there were no ambulances left to respond trump at the rally. This weekend suggested that people there should get vaccinated. The crowd mildly booed him when he told them that and when he reminded them that he himself had been vaccinated. That got a lot of attention for obvious reasons. But i say that. They sort of mildly booed trump. Because it was a scattering of booze you really want to see. Someone get nearly booed off the stage though booed to the point of intimidation. Look at how that same crowd at that. Same event responded in alabama to congressman mo brooks when congressman mo brooks was not talking about back stations and cova when instead. He was talking about the last election at the rally this weekend. He basically tried to dial back. His previous incendiary position and how the presidential election shouldn't count and it was all stolen and from really one and not biden and we much we must fight over that he basically tried to walk that back to this alabama crowd this weekend and watch how they responded. There are some people who were despondent about the voter fraud or election. Theft in twenty twenty folks. Put that behind. You put that behind you. Yes look look forward look forward. Beat them in twenty twenty to beat them at twenty. Four right back had been go forward and take advantage of it this weekend. Hometown crowd lustily booing blowing. The heck out of alabama republican congressman mo brooks for him having the goal to suggest that yeah. The election was stolen and really trump inviting. Didn't win but they should move on from that and work on the next election. Where incidentally he's open to be on the ballot for the united states senate. That crowd was absolutely not having it. And you can tell enough. Footage congressman brooke seemed to be shocked by that reaction supplies. Yeah i thought frankenstein would love his creator as well. But in the wake of that just screaming rejection from his own base voters on that point. mo brooks has since flipped again now insisting in an online statement quote. Let me be clear. The twenty twenty election was fraught with voter fraud and election theft. On a massive scale trump won the election. I support audits of state. Twenty twenty election results. I eagerly await their findings. He's trying to go back to that. That way of dealing with the issue the man knows what side his bread is buttered on but as for him eagerly awaiting the supposed state audits of the election results. He is going to have to wait longer along with anybody else. Who's in the same boat with him. The flagship ridiculous twenty twenty election audit is is a personal one in arizona. It was april when republicans in the arizona legislature. I handed over most of the actual ballots. Arizona's presidential election and tons of voting requirement. Handed it over to on promoting trump election conspiracy theorists who runs a one man band company called sabre ninjas that company and the arizona republican said their so called audit of arizona's election results would take three weeks. It's been five months and counting. They had said last week that the report from that audit would be in by friday. This past friday. It was not in by friday. Then they said it would be in by today. But then at the end of the day today arizona republicans released a statement saying quote unfortunately cyber ninjas ceo doug logan and two other members of the five person audit team have tested positive for covert nineteen and are quite sick and therefore the read report on the audit will not be submitted today and that of course is is terrible news and we wish them all the best arenas republican senate president karen fan till the arizona mirror today that one of the three people on the audit team who has cove it is not just quite sick with covert but actually hospitalized with kovic related pneumonia. Which is terrible again. We wish them the best. Whoever they are. But i will tell you. Even this part remains mysterious. First of all this assertion that three people of the five-person audit team are very sick. With kovic is the first news. Anybody's had that there's a five person audit team. Who's on the team. Who were the other four people. Besides doug logan it's like when people talk about doug logan running a company called cyber ninjas that technically is true but does anybody ever turned up a single employee of cyber ninjas other than doug logan kind of just a one man band i mean. They've had millions of ballots from the arizona election and all of this elections equipment for maricopa county for five months for their audit. That was supposed to take three weeks. The arizona senate president who hired this entity these cyber ninjas to do the audit. She supposedly even supervising all along. She expressed surprise to local reporters today surprise at this covert news because that was the first that she learned there was a five percent audit team producing this audit. She reportedly says she doesn't know who else other than doug. Logan is on this five person team. A former republican official name. Ken bennett who has served as the senate liaison for the audit basically. He's been the person in charge of explaining to the press and the public. What's going on with the audit for all these five months. He said today after the statement came out saying the report was not coming and it was because three people on the five-person audit team has cove. He said today that not only did he not know it was a five person audit team and not only did he know not know who's on this five-person audit team. He said today that he actually thought it was a nine person audit team if so what happened the other four this deep into the process. They purport to have absolutely no idea what's happening. In any case the contention now is that the audit report is not ready even today because the head of cyber ninjas and maybe some other people that we don't know who they are are very sick with cove but nobody knows who they are what their actual involvement is. I will tell you. Arizona republicans also announced today that aside from the kovin problem they're actually still not done with the audit anyway. Something something ballot envelope something something. So maybe it's gonna take another week or so. This is the very professional audit that trump world trusts because they believe the results of this audit will make way more sense and be way more solid and be way less shady then actually just looking at the certified election results from the county in the state mo brooks is eagerly awaiting the results of this audit to find out what the real story is. So we're we're following those developing stories. Tonight there's also late breaking news tonight about Do you remember my boyfriend's left and eager love parnasse an ego freeman. Were colleagues of trump lawyer. Pretty giuliani mr. Mr ferman were arrested in two thousand nineteen and charged among other things with allegedly funneling large illegal foreign donations to a pack supporting trump's reelection and two other republican candidates both love and eager and pled. Not guilty mr parnell had since made public claims including this show that he was basically bamboozled into a plot by giuliani and trump and some other trumpworld figures to try to wheedle dirt out of the nation of ukraine. That could be used against joe biden in the twenty twenty election that plot of course ultimately lead to trump impeachment number. One love partners has publicly named not. Just rudy giuliani and donald trump but also trump administration officials including william bar former attorney general as having been in the loop on on some of that that scam. Mr parnell has has got a fairly high profile figures since was charged. Even that's he's fighting these charges and pleading not guilty. Mr and has been much less of a high profile figure but it is mr ferman eager who is apparently going to change his plea from not guilty to guilty plea. Notice was docket in his case. Today he'll have a hearing on that matter before a federal judge in the southern district of new york on wednesday now in the filings around that wednesday hearing at the hearing itself we may learn the circumstances of his guilty plea whether this means he is turning state's evidence whether this means ebor is cooperating with prosecutors to tell them what he knows about other people's actions other potential crimes because of eager freeman's links with former president trump. And mr giuliani. Because of the subsequent revelations about mr giuliani being under federal criminal investigation for his part whatever they were doing in ukraine eager. The man you see here on the right with president trump ebor pleading guilty Has to be very uncomfortable making development for parts of trump world. Tonight if his guilty plea is going to be accompanied by cooperation deal with federal prosecutors. We shall see following that also coming up in just a moment. We're going to be speaking here with john. Kirby admiral john kirby spokesperson at the press secretary at the at the pentagon with lots to talk with him about today with the fda giving full gold standard approval to the pfizer vaccine against covert nineteen. That cleared the way within hours today for the pentagon institute a new requirement that all active duty. Us troops must be vaccinated. That's fascinating new development today at the defense department and we'll have big implications in terms of how quickly it's rolled out and what happens to service members who may refuse to get vaccinated even though they're required to get lots of other vaccines as part of their service. Admiral kirby of course also been the main explainer to the public and the press on the urgent and increasingly massive airlift effort to evacuate americans and our afghan allies out of afghanistan the pentagon announcing today that between yesterday and today they got nearly eleven thousand people evacuated in one twenty four hour period. They hit said last week. Their maximum range was five to nine thousand people evacuated per day. They evacuated nearly eleven thousand in the last twenty. Four hours that means the pace of this evacuation is picking up substantially. We'll talk with admiral kirby about whether or not. They aim to sustain that rapid pace. Admiral kirby has also sort of cage alie fielded questions. These cage addressed recent reporting that. Us forces are now at least occasionally using helicopters to go get people and bring them to the kabul airport amid increasingly desperate and dangerous circumstances outside the gates and blast walls of the airport. That's sort of aggressive. Exfiltration effort by air has been of great interest as we have seen the scenes outside the gates of the airport. Just get more harrowing and more each day and as we hear about terrorist threats against those crowds outside the airport. You may have also seen the reporting this weekend About a woman a an evacuee from afghanistan who literally gave birth to a baby on board one of the us military c seventeen evacuation plans just after it landed at ramstein. Air force. Base in germany is just a crazy story. It puts your heart in your throat to know that this woman was pregnant this close to delivering when she got herself and her family on board that c. seventeen and then to have given birth on the tarmac on board the plane. Us servicemen and women racing on board that cargo plane delivering the baby right then in there on board the plane before they were even able to disembark her mother and baby are both reportedly doing fine. But i have to tell you that dramatic situation. This weekend led to this question and surprise. Answer at the pentagon press briefing this afternoon. I don't know if you've seen this footage. Date started one way and then dramatically off the rails to the surprise of everybody except one person in the room and went off the rails not in a bad way but in a way that definitely makes me want to know more watch. I'm therese garnier with newsy. Jenner reliance on our mets being provided for each flight. I know there's a concern about capacity because you're trying to get as many people on but our medics being provided and the reason why i ask that is because there are reports that a woman had a baby during one of the flights and so do you have medics that will be on board that will be able to handle any sort of emergency situations. That may come up if someone has a babysitter valls and get sick or something. In that instance. Yeah it's a great question. We have medics on every flight There is a medical screen as part of the screening in boarding process and But i'll confess to you that many people would have to self identify any kind of medical issue Re really exciting. I mean i really appreciate the news reporting on the baby. Being born as at came into Ramstein matter of fact. There's actually been more than that so it's just a just an incredible. Incredible operation ongoing. You know just just impressive. Work by our great airmen. Adam would he be more than more than one baby. My my last data point was three. I don't have a formal tracker but those you know so we'll keep you posted. We'll follow follow up and try to get you information on the other to your other. Reporters go wait a second. Did he say there's been more than that when he says more than that. He means more babies. There's more little babies actually. There's more little babies. There's more than one baby. Admiral john kirby obviously flummoxed by this as well he did you. Just say three babies sir. How we'll get more on the baby situation admiral. John kirby said he would get more on that to explain that he's here with us next. Stay with us. Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks them down a deep dive into a new topic. Instead of covering all the big stories. We're going to cover one single subject. Impacting american politics exploring and explaining the critical issues that affect our future meet the press reports. All episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. What does her ascension mean. Ask a simple question. Women of color vice would matters to them why. Let's be clear. This is about fraud. Work the angles tonight here on. Msnbc special coming question afford you going through your process care about what you find now when and if not the free press then who. If what you discovered doesn't match your expectations fact. Check this forest. Keep asking yourself hard questions. Are you confident. Tough on the answers. It's just not true. Favorite facts over conspiracy should american citizens. No rely on experts not influence now going to debate it again and vote again a trust standards over here saying at msnbc. This is what we do. And this is. We are when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was admiral. Mike mullen his spokesman his spokesperson Was the man you see here on the left. A man named john kirby. John kirby was the voice of the joint chiefs during the height of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. John kirby can also be seen here in this photo with former defense secretary. Chuck hagel john. Kirby was his spokesperson at the pentagon for a while to that was before mr kirby went onto become spokesperson for the secretary of state. When john kerry was secretary of state under president obama. He's had these very high visibility jobs at the pentagon at the state department. He's also a rear admiral in the united states. Navy john kirby served in the navy as the public affairs officer for the blue angels. He served as the editor in chief of the navy's magazine. He served as chief spokesperson for the department of the navy these days. He is back at the department of defense reprising. His role as pentagon press secretary this time in the biden administration for defense department. That is now by secretary. Lloyd austin john. Kirby has been a very very high profile person in washington for a long time right now. He has one of the most difficult and most scrutinized jobs in washington because right now daily sometimes multiple times per day. He is briefing the defense department press corps which is not a bunch of pushovers briefing. Them briefing through them. The rest of the world as the united states attempts to wind down its longest war and engages in a big very very difficult. Very contested evacuation effort in afghanistan. Just today john. Kirby has already briefed the press twice to separate pentagon briefings already today on everything from helicopter exfiltrations of afghan evacuees to evacuation flights in their numbers. Two babies being born on board those evacuation flights. He's done a lot of work already today. But i still have more questions than he has been kind enough to join us tonight to come. Answer them. admiral. Kirby thank you so much. I know. it's been a long couple of weeks long day today. Thank you for being here tonight. My pleasure ritual thank you. Let me start by asking you about the the most important thing but something. My interest was very peaked today at the second pentagon briefing. You did today In which we learned that there wasn't just one baby born on one of these flights one of these evacuation flights this weekend at ramstein in germany. But the general who you were breathing wits actually said there's been three babies born in these circumstances. Yeah that's right. He surprised everybody including me on that. This general steve lyons. He's the commander of us transportation command and we wanted him to come in and talk to our press corps about the incredible logistics effort. That is going in to moving thousands of people out of afghanistan temporary safe havens elsewhere as they as they work their way back to the united states and right at the end of the briefing he got asked about the the one baby that we knew he'd been born because there were a great great photographs of that of course And he let it slipped in fact actually to others had been born so So we end the press corps here at the pentagon or trying to chase down the details on that because it's just a great story and just another Indication of humanity the professionalism in the kindness with which us military members are really treating their important evacuation work. It also tells you about the humanity and the desperation of the people who are getting out. I mean for somebody to be not just pregnant pregnant upon the moment of potentially delivering somebody. Who's going to go into labor during the flight and still at that moment putting themselves in peril taking their fragile selves and their families and getting themselves on board one of those military transports. I mean the extremists that these women and their families are in to be able to do this. It does make me wonder about the kinds of medical resources that are being made available to these refugees. The kinds of resources that they need once they land. How long they're staying there staying at the initial place. They i land once. They're taken out of afghanistan. What can you tell us about that. So there's some initial medical screening at kabul before they get onto a flight who we want to make sure that they're okay so there's some medical treatment there there are in the general said this. There's there's no medical personnel on. These flights were saving every available space for passengers for people that want to get out to our as you rightly said rachel desperate to leave. So we're not putting medical personnel on these flights but then when they get to these these temporary safe havens or staging base if you will for onward movement they are evaluated for for any medical issues and given a chance to you know to get some more screening there and then of course when they get back to the united states We go through that again. We definitely screen them for Cove at some of these staging bases. All of them are getting screened for covert when they get to the united states right. Now they're coming into dulles and so there there's constantly throughout the process medical personnel. That are trying to look after them as best we can. Is there going to be sort of call to the american people and civil society organizations in the united states to help resettle people to do community resettlement efforts to donate things that these new families may leave to find them housing to get them in. English is a second language courses. If they're going to be resettling here. I mean i know that not everybody is going to be coming to the united states but thousands are is there call now from the us government indeed from from the defense department for the american people to step up and help. We're actually starting to see that rachel. I mean certainly lots of non-governmental organizations are already helping the state department and as they as these afghans are ready to move into american society. They're already going to relocation centers and getting getting help starting. Their new lives absolutely. But you know the the commanding general of fort bliss texas where. We're some have already gone for this. The follow on final paperwork that they have to complete before they become citizens has said that he's been deluged with phone calls and emails from the people living outside fort bliss texas just wanting to know what they can do blankets food whatever they can do to help so we're already starting to see the american people and many of these communities really reach out and want to do what they can to help what will be their future fellow citizens i will tell you just just anecdotally from our experience. We're just at cable news. Show that covers this process and that's covered some individual stories of people who have been evacuated with their families and we have been inundated with requests from our viewers in terms of how they can help. And so i know that you're in a different role as the press spokesman at pentagon. But i think there is a real hunger among the general public watching this to wanna step up and do something especially as we learn more about how hard these flight crews are working and how hard these thousands of. Us troops are working to try to make the best of this very difficult situation. I do think there is public appetite to do something sort of put our money. Where mouth is to give to to to be part of this process someway. I don't know if that's i mean. I doubt we'll hear that from you with the podium. But i do feel like i do feel like we have to hear that from the administration from the government in some way because that needs to be channeled in some way. It's valuable to to leave on the table. It seems to me. No i agree. Rachel and i think this is what's quintessentially so great about our country. Americans are generous lot and we are immigrant nation and and we're used to these stories a sad and desperate though they may be and we're and we used to reaching out to people that are in need and And really wanna start a new life here. So i think you know just that one little base in texas is just one small example. I think you're gonna see that all over the country and again. That's that's one of the great things about living in this country and i think these afghans That'll be something that they take away to tell me about something that you have received lots of hard questions about all last week and over the weekend and today which is the issue of safe passage out obviously getting control of the airport getting control of the tarmac getting control of the runway lining up these staging basis for onward movement as you were describing all of that we've seen the military source systematically get that in order and we have simultaneously seen the number of evacuees rise to this incredible number of nearly eleven thousand one twenty four hour period Just between sunday and and today but there is still the front end issue of how people get themselves into that safe system. How people get into the airport. How not just americans. But people linked to the us government people who are afghan vacuum is who we are. Otherwise priorities prioritize. How they're going to get out. Tell me about big picture. Progress toward making more safe that part of their journey. So there's a couple of pieces here. You might have heard me talk about this a little. Bit ago we We are in constant daily communication with taliban leaders who are outside the airport and we have been making it clear to them what the credentials look like woohoo. We want to see get through their checkpoints. Who are who absolutely entitled to get on these flights. And thus far though there have been certainly cases of harassment and even even violent harassment of some qualified individuals by and large these american citizens and these special immigrant. Visa applicants are being able to work through those checkpoints. We are also in in communication with the taliban about making it easier for this safety to say a more safe perimeter around the field so that there are fewer crowds because crowds have also been an impediment not not from violence perspective just from a dense perspective. So we're working with with them to try to make sure that there is enough access around the airport for people to get in More freely and we are working every day. Our commanders on the ground are pursuing opportunities to make access and passage to the field. Easier and safer for americans and these. Siv applicants Some pretty creative ideas that they're putting into place And obviously it's a denson dangerous environment we have Legitimate counter-terrorism threat. They're terrorism threat around the airport that we have to take seriously but once we get them onto the field and they go through a whole series of processing and manifesting as i said medical screening. Make sure they have food and water and we try. We try to get them on the very next flight out. That's available and these flights. At least yesterday. Rachel they were leaving one almost every hour now. We hope to be able to continue that sorta pace going forward. Obviously it's weather dependent. It's it's it's it's it's population dependent but that's the kind of that's the kind of throughput that we're trying to reach so that we can keep these numbers up for as long as possible. Should we expect to see more evacuations more transit to the airport. Aided by us helicopters you have talked about this a little bit at the end of last week and also today that there have been a couple of helicopter-born us affiliate us us facilitated movements one from a group that was very close to the airport. Another was described as elsewhere in kabul. Should we expect there to be more of those that obviously seem like a sort of tidy answer to it from from those us looking from this distance or is there something that's particularly dangerous about those helicopter airlifts that we don't understand that means that that will continue to be quite limited. The commanders on the ground certainly have the authorities. They need to pursue opportunities to bring people in and one of the means that their disposal is of course rotary aircraft helicopters. And and we have done that on a couple of occasions. I certainly wouldn't rule out that we would do it again if it if it was the best way. And that's really what it comes down to rachel's what's the best most effective. And what's the safest way to get americans and other sap applicants into the airport and so again sometimes helicopters are the answer sometimes not and there are pursuing all kinds of different opportunities to make this happen so i certainly wouldn't rule it out but it is. It is not the only way in which we are encouraging and trying to facilitate the safe passage of people into the airport. Let me ask you about one very different perspective on this. Which is obviously we saw the taliban takeover of the country almost every province in the country in some cases without firing a shot including walking into kabul without having to be a military victory it was essentially arranged as far as we can tell but there is resistance to the pentagon we have seen demonstrations i by women by brave women in kabul then by larger groups of people in eastern afghanistan and southeastern afghanistan. We're now seeing organized resistance Speaking out getting some international press from the pound share valley we saw anti-taliban fighters take back some parts of a different province Over the weekend although the taliban now says they fought in and brought those back if there is significant resistance to taliban rule. Is the us going to ignore that. Or is there provision in our postwar planning to give assistance to those who are resisting taliban rule and indeed. Maybe maybe fighting for control of parts of the country. Well i certainly wouldn't get ahead of policy decisions that That you know that. That hasn't been made on on that. Rachel what i can tell you is that Our our presence there at the airport. The fifty eight hundred troops that we have right now. Their focus is really on three things making sure we can defend that airport and keep its operations going and then work in the evacuation mission to the maximum degree that we can and then number three making sure that we are as appropriate reaching out to american citizens who need to be brought in and finding out ways to do that. That's really what our focuses on right now and i think we have been very clear. The military mission is really confined to those three things. And i i i. I wouldn't want to speculate about what might might what might be in the offing for the future. John kirby pentagon press secretary making the most of what has already been a very very long day by staying up so late with us tonight. Sir thank you for your time really appreciate it anytime. You'd like to come back with love to have you back. Thank you rachel. My pleasure all right. We've got much more ahead here tonight. Stay with us looking for more dateline mysteries peacocks on the case with a new streaming channel. Dateline twenty four seven true crime stories from the true crime original gouda peacock. tv dot com and sign up for free so we just spoke with pentagon. press secretary. John kirby you may remember last week it was he who announced from the briefing room at the pentagon that the defense department had stood up five active duty medical teams to help civilian hospitals here in the us that are overrun by kovic patients. Late last week we saw the arrival of the first of those active duty uniform teams navy personnel arriving at a hospital lafayette louisiana to help the doctors and nurses there who have been overrun by way too many way too sick cova patients for weeks now loud sustained standing ovation for those navy personnel. That was late last week. Now we have word of three more of those active duty uniform military teams deploying a team of twenty active duty air force medical personnels headed to baton rouge louisiana to assist our lady of the lake medical center. We spoke with that hospital's chief medical officer just ten days ago about the very bad situation there. Our lady of the lake already got one influx of over thirty federal medical personnel from the department of health and human services. That was not enough. Now they're also getting twenty more and nurses and respiratory therapists from the united states. Air force to more of those active duty defense department teams are deploying as well to mississippi at least twenty medical personnel from the us air force arriving at the university of mississippi medical center jackson this weekend. Twenty army medical personnel headed to north mississippi medical center in tupelo. You will recall that. This isn't the first federal help. Mississippi's receive. They also got a federal de met disaster medical assistance teams from health and human services To set up a field hospital in the parking garage at that university medical center in jackson now in addition to that they've got these air force and army personnel arriving to provide further help. There are three vaccines that have been in use in the united states for months now. Pfizer madeira and johnson and johnson. Before today all three of those vaccines were approved under something called emergency use authorization millions and millions and millions of doses safely administered of all three vaccines. They've all proven to be effective at keeping you from getting infected if you do still get infected. They're very effective. At reducing. Your chance of getting dangerously ill the states that are so overrun right. Now it's basically because of low uptake vaccines in those states but today interesting progress when for the first time. The fda granted full unqualified not emergency use authorization to the pfizer vaccine for everybody age. Sixteen and up. That's a sort of graduation for pfizer from emergency youth authorization to full approval and that today cleared the way. For among other things a new mandate for all active duty servicemembers to get vaccinated. They'd been waiting on full approval of the vaccine at the fda to do that. That full approval has been granted. The dod is now moving ahead within hours of the full approval. Cvs pharmacy chain several state university systems. The nation's largest school system in new york city they all also announced vaccine mandates for their employees experts. Tell us we should probably expect more of that in coming days. Speaking of experts joining us now is dr jaw. He's dean of the school of public health at brown university. Dr john nice to make time to be here. Thanks for making time tonight. Rachel why is it logical for there to be a link between requiring the vaccine at a place like the defense department or new york city schools or cvs as an employer. Why is there a link between that and full approval. One is the vaccine have to have to prove to get full approval that it didn't have to prove in order to get that previous level of approval so first and foremost isn't necessarily a link lots of organizations my university for instance mandated vaccines well before the full approval happened. What the full approval does is. He gives people a lot. More confidence Some people feel like it's going to be legally a little bit as gonna stand up well though the courts have found that mandatory vaccine orders based on an easy way is totally fine. I think much more a psychological boost than it is a legal one for mandatory vaccines when it comes to the states that have low vaccine uptake. That receiving are that are experiencing such a terrible inflex right now. I'm happy to see federal resources including active duty military uniform resources deployed states like mississippi and louisiana. So clearly need them. It does feel like a drop in the bucket. Though twenty workers here a handful of doctors they are given the scale of the problem. And how the case numbers are continuing to rise in the states where the hospitals are already overrun. Is the federal government going to have to ramp up its ability to help in those overrun states. Do we have other resources we can. We can bring to bear. Yes the first and foremost it's worth remembering. This is all completely preventable. If people got vaccinated we would not be seeing this. We're not seeing this in vermont. Were not seeing this in massachusetts. Our not seeing it in highly vaccinated places sack in. You're absolutely right. We're still seeing so many infections and those people are going to hospitals in the days and weeks and months ahead so we've got a really hunker down for what's gonna be many many many weeks of difficult times. I think the federal government's gonna end up having to do a lot more for these states and ultimately they're going to get out of it by vaccinating a lot. More people of this is not the solution to make vaccines. Czar actress actresses the dean of the school public health brown university. Dr john it's always a pleasure and an honor to have you here. Thanks for thanks for your time tonight. Sir we've got more ahead tonight. Stay with us indulge me for just a moment. This did not get a ton of press in the united states today. But i think it is astonishing and i want you to see it There's a prison in iran. That is such a notoriously bad place. That i a random have heard of it. I don't know the names of any other prisons in iran But i know evine prison. Ev i n. Evine prison is in fact such a standout place for such bad stuff that the prison itself has been sanctioned by the us for human rights abuses of in prison in tehran among other things is where iran locks up its political prisoners including those with western ties. You might remember it from two thousand nine. When iran held to americans there for seven hundred eighty one days on totally made up charges of espionage. You might remember evine prison from two thousand fourteen. When a journalist from the washington post was held there for five hundred forty four days also on completely fabricated trumped up charges that journalist jason resume on believes he was held basically as a bargaining chip for the iran nuclear deal negotiations which were underway at the time. Back in two thousand and three canadian journalist was arrested just for taking pictures of a protest outside of in prison. She ended up being beaten to death in a different iranian. Prison just days later. So if in prison has a backstory it's known worldwide and it's not a place we ever get to see the inside of barely get to see the outside. That's why this is so nuts today. The associated press and voice of america released footage that had been given to them by hackers. Who say they infiltrated evine prison. And among other things they got access to its close circuit security cameras. The associated press doing due diligence. They talked to four former prisoners. Who had served time at evine who all confirmed that the footage does indeed look like areas. They recognize inside the prison. This is the part. I can't get over though this watch this. This is reportedly the control room inside evine or the guards monitor the close circuit security cameras all day long every day. And if this video is what the hackers say it is it shows in lifetime the guards. They're learning that they have been hacked. Watch this watch the screens. I one of their monitors starts flashing red. A message pops up. What's that you see the guy react and then boom a whole bunch of the screen start flashing red that say message pops up everywhere message. Look at his screen on his desk. The message in farsi reportedly reads cyberattack and then later says general protests until the freedom of political prisoners. But just impossible to get your head around that this may actually be footage in real time of the moment when the jailers running the most opaque notorious prison in iran learn that everyone everywhere will soon be able to see everything they can see will soon be able to see what they have been up to. Government of iran is not commenting on. What may or may not have happened here. Iranian state media has not acknowledged. This happened at all but we may the footage of what happened in the moment. They realized they been breached. Just an incredible thing. Watch this space. This is a melodramatic way to be doing it. A midnight swearing in seriously. Yes midnight tonight at one minute. After midnight kathy hokka will be sworn in as governor of the great state of new york that will officially make kathy hoke one of only nine female governors in the whole country and i should doubt four of those nine. I got to those positions through succession rather than election. Meaning the dude who got elected to the job got turfed out for some reason so they ascended to the job because of the unexpected vacancy cut. The local of course was lieutenant. Governor andrew cuomo. He is leaving office tonight following the publication of a scathing report. By new york's attorney general tips. James report that accused him of sexually harassing eleven women. We've been able to get this up on screen yet. we just got this moments ago yes. This reportedly is andrew. Cuomo's resignation letter and it sure does look authentic. We received this just moments ago Soon to be former governor cuomo continues to deny the allegations against him even as he leaves office but in anticipation of her taking over the top job. Tonight kathy whole has started out her governorship by already appointing two women to top posts in her cabinet. As if this all wasn't dramatic enough it will become official at a minute past midnight tonight. A midnight swearing. That does oppress. 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Whats next in impeachment

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Whats next in impeachment

"My name is Michelle Ye Li. I cover money in politics at the Washington Post. You may have heard the words. Follow the money. I follow the money. The journalism I do depends on subscribers to the Washington Post today post reports dot com slash subscribe from the newsroom. The Washington Post. Hey it's Ross Helderman post how are you. This is post reports Marteen. It's Wednesday January. Fifteenth today. Articles of impeachment impeachment finally had to the Senate Bernie Sanders makes inroads in Iowa and a landmark deal for the WNBA. So the next phase of the impeachment process began today. The question is on the adoption of the resolution. Allah favors say I. I opposed. No the Ayes have it. The resolutions adopted Gentleman House formerly transmitted articles of impeachment to the Senate Senate and appointed impeachment. Managers the folks who are going to kind of manage the case for the prosecution if you will which is what sets the stage for trial in the Senate and so that is where we are now. At long last had a trial of President Donald J trump in the United States senate. I'm Roz Helderman. I'm an investigative gate a reporter for the political staff so the first thing that happened. Was that House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi and pointed impeachment managers and they include a number of familiar names but most notably Adam shift the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and Jerry. Nadler the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee who were the to kind of manage the investigation phase when the impeachment process was in the house. And then what we know about what this process is going to look like going Ford. So we haven't seen one of these trials since the trial of Bill Clinton in the late nineteen ninety s and the Senate is allowed to set its own rules so we don't know exactly exactly what this thing is gonNa look like yet. What we do know? Is that this first week with. The transmittal of the articles from the house will be largely pomp and circumstance the sort of reading of the charges the appointing of the people who are going to be involved the informing of the chief justice of the Supreme Court. John Roberts who actually presides over the trial that his services services are formally needed and then I think next week will start to see what this trial thing is actually going to look at their still an ongoing fight in the Senate over you know whether they would accept new evidence and even hear from witnesses who either appeared before the house Hear from them serve a new in the Senate or even new witnesses who had not appeared before the house most notably trump's national security advisor John Bolton and it's worth pointing out. The trial is going to start on Tuesday and then in theory. It's going to be six days a week until it's over. Yeah and there's been some debate on the Republican side in an trump world whether it's better to have a very short trial to have or maybe Davos longer trial that requires Democratic senators. Who are running for president to spend more time? I'm in Washington but it is what the Senate will do full-time intil. They conclude the presentation of the case and there is a go among the jurors as to whether or not the president is convicted the jurors of course being the members of the United States Senate. So as all of this is ramping up and as we're finally getting details on what this trial is actually gonNA look like house. Democrats on Tuesday night released this collection of documents related to the trial trial. What were these documents? Yeah so what was really interesting as the Democrats basically said look. We did all this investigation. But there's a lot more out there that could be gotten potentially by the Senate if they chose to dig just a little bit so these were documents that had been provided by left us one of the two ukrainian-american associates of Rudy Giuliani. who were working with? Giuliani the president's personal attorney on this mission mission to find dirt in Ukraine. A Mr Parnasse has been indicted in New York on campaign finance charges and so his documents have been kind of walked locked up in this criminal process but just on Sunday. His attorney got permission from the criminal authorities in New York to provide material bill to Congress. So this is very much late breaking and when we talk about documents like what kinds of documents are they and what do they actually say yet. They're mostly text. Messages is an email. I think text messages. What's up encrypted messages that? Mr Parnasse exchanged with various people. Also a few other things there there is a letter in. The batch is in a letter from Rudy Giuliani two presidents Alinsky of Ukraine. That was written in May where he describes his desire to meet with the president of Ukraine and our understanding is that he was meeting with him to discuss his desire for these investigations and it's sort of describes in the letter how he's coming as the president's personal attorney be still invoking the name of the president essentially kind of conducting foreign policy in this weird role as a private citizen acting on the president's behalf. So that was one of the documents that was really quite a lot there. So if there's this letter from this this lawyer who is an associate of Giuliani to someone in Ukraine basically saying that I am a personal lawyer on behalf of the president. Why does it matter? Why is it important? I think with the letter really shows this whole effort to pressure. Ukraine was done to help the president. Personally Giuliani says. He's reaching out for the president in his capacity as a private citizen. This was not about what was good for. The country and Giuliani is acknowledging that it was about what was good for Donald trump personally and so it really shows shows and illustrates the way. This mission that Giuliani was on for the president personal benefit came to be totally wrapped up with the US formal formal and official foreign policy goals. And then some of these documents also mentioned Marie Ivanovich who was the former ambassador to Ukraine. It we wanted a lot knew about about the effort to oust Marie Ivanovich from these documents. Really interesting stuff. People may remember from the impeachment testimony That she was this long-serving career diplomat that trump allies decided she was not loyal to the president and they pushed in they pushed until the president essentially fired her very unceremoniously. A Ukrainian super to play by the old corrupt rules sought to remove me what continues to amaze me is that they found Americans ends willing to partner with them and working together. They apparently succeeded in orchestrating the removal of a US ambassador. I think she was officially recalled in in May and one thing we weren't from these documents is there is a series of messages. That are exchanged between this Giuliani associate and the top prosecutor persecutor of Ukraine Yuri Sankoh Ianovich believed she testified that Lewd Sankoh had played a role in having her remove. They had clashed. He was opposed to her efforts to fight corruption. But with these messages show is quite explicitly. He is linking the effort to investigate Biden to his desire to see her removed. He sending notes that say things like you know. If Madame isn't removed everything I say about be is undermined be be meaning potentially Biden potentially by an also possibly burris MMA which is the company to Biden's son Hunter served on the board of and there's some other messages like like that and he's really pushing for her removal he sort of says you know I'm investigating the CEO of that company and you guys can't remove a simple fool and parnassus response us. Essentially as essentially she is full but she won't get away and she didn't get away she was ultimately fired. So these two she pieces of evidence. How do you think Democrats are going to be able to use them during the impeachment trial? You Know I. I think one thing. They will do which doesn't require kind of understanding understanding all the nuances and all the INS and the outs I mean. The fight right now has largely been about whether or not the Senate will take new evidence right. I mean the thing they really you want. Is John Bolton. There's this feeling that John Bolton could really be a very powerful witness. He did not testify to the House and so put aside anything about what these records records actually show. They do provide a powerful argument. That there's a lot more out there right and that if you were call witnesses you would be likely to learn new things things So I would suspect that to start with. That is the first way they will be used as part of the debate about whether or not the Senate's going to call witnesses. They could of course also recall Mr Parnell himself parnes. His lawyer has said he is eager to testify and so clearly he has he has a story to tell if they would call him and then when it comes comes to the actual charge of abuse of power do the narrative that these documents tell. Do they bolster. The Democrats are going to be able to say about whether or not president trump was guilty of that abuse of power. Look any criminal trial. Any trial of any kind is sort of a mosaic of evidence. Right so so. I don't know that there's any one document amongst this batch that shows in a new and clear way exactly what the president did but they certainly Add to the overall picture you understand a lot more. What Giuliani and his associates? Were Up to do you understand more. How the firing of Banovic might have been linked to their desire to get information about Biden? It actually seems as though those two things might have been explicitly. We linked which was not at all clear during the house testimony. There was always a sort of confusion. Why was it so important to these people to get rid of this one ambassador? What was it that they thought you know? They could get if they got her removed while it may be the the people in Ukraine they were counting on to help them get information about Biden. They wanted it so they were doing their bidding. So again I think with this new information dies is it just adds to the picture every week all building block. That kinda shows you what the president and his people were up to Helderman is a political investigations. Reporter How is Senator Bernie Sanders doing in the early primary states as of now ever since early October when Senator Sanders suffered a heart attack he has in his campaign slowly but surely starts to ascend again? Robert Costa is a national political reporter for the Post. This candidate who did so well. At times during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign found himself continuing to raise a ton of money and he had had a lot of grassroots support so between October and January he started to rise in the polls in that quote gold standard poll that everyone talks talks about the des Moines Register poll. He is now leading in Iowa. The first voting state and of course on Tuesday night we had the last debate before the Iowa caucus how does sanders do their sanders stuck to his message. Talking up Medicare for all Medicare for all will close substantially less than the status quo. Talking about the American people are sick and tired of endless spores overhauling the federal government at many different levels. Burgum line here is. I'm sick and tired of trade agreements negotiated by the CEO's of locked but his whole performance came down into his exchange with Senator Elizabeth Warren his rival on the left about conversation that took place months ago in private all about the context x of those remarks in two thousand eighteen. You told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that wells? A Matter of fact act. I didn't say and I don't WanNa waste a whole lot of time on those positions what Donald Trump may be some of the media. Want anybody knows me knows knows that it's incomprehensible. I would think that a woman could not be president of the United States. Go to Youtube today. So you're saying that you never told Senator Warren that a woman could not win the election. Senator Warren what did you think when Senator Sandra Sanjay Sanders told you. A woman could not win the election. I disagreed Senator Warren maintains and she stood by her position so so can women beat Donald Trump. Look at the men on the stage collectively. They have lost ten elections. The only people on this stage who have I have one every single election that they've been in are the women amy so the fact that this debate aid over whether or not sanders had told her that he didn't think that a woman could win the presidency against trump. The fact that that has been hanging over yesterday's debate the fact that it has been hanging being over the campaign for the last couple of days. What do you think that says about where we're at now? And specifically where Senator Sanders is positioned positioned in this campaign. It comes at a critical moment in the Democratic presidential race. Because you saw this week Senator Booker from New Jersey drops out of the twenty twenty a contest. And so you have a real discussion in the Democratic Party about gender at about race is Senator Warren. Getting enough attention credit in the polls from voters for her record issue being pulled back at all because of her gender. That's a discussion. I heard when I was on the trail in Iowa in recent weeks so these are the conversations that were circulating in democratic ranks heading into this debate senator sanders. It should be noted not so one who runs on cultural cultural themes or debates or often talks about what's in the headlines. He sticks to his message but he's gotten pulled into this riptide because of of his alleged comment against about Senator Warren. You spend some time with Senator Sanders on the trail. What was that like? And what have you noticed about how his campaign is going and how he is trying to strategize specifically in Iowa I spent about a week covering Senator Sanders. It was the perfect time to covers senator sanders. WHO's right after Christmas in into the New Year? Almost no one seemed to be an Iowa because it was that rare moment. Just before the caucuses where most most people take vacation. So I had a lot of access to see how voters interacted with him in small settings these weren't arena rallies. What's notable but what he's doing now is is how it's different from what I covered in two thousand sixteen and what I saw back then was a politician who did rally after rally talked about revolution? He always talk about Revolution Revolution. Now his message is still about revolution in general and he's not moderated at all but what he's doing now is concentrating. His entire pitch on healthcare healthcare costs. There's a rage aspect to what he's doing about a system that he believes does not serve working people so he'll begin his events with almost a town hall like setting and people will go on. It's almost like a talk. Show go around the room okay. We'll go from person to person. I see a woman in red breakout art so fire away anybody of any comments or questions. All right maybe one or two more questions stand up or and we will get Mike just give. What's your name? Hi My name is Jeff. Pay Thirty and they'll go around and around until their whipped into this frustrations grievance about the healthcare system. We need to get involved. And then he says a jump is absolutely right and the issue of healthcare. Now it's time for you understand the only way to address this is medicare for all about how you pay for healthcare so the next time you see one of my opponents Birdie GonNa pay for Medicare for all chapters spam for right now thirty thousand dollars a year and it's a healthcare heavy message. We got the have the courage to work together to create a Medicare for all system. So the Jeff's family and every family in America can help with quality affordable healthcare and. It's interesting because the way that I've always understood sanders. Success both in the campaign so far and also in two thousand sixteen is that he has this small and somewhat limited had but very intense fandom people who love him love all of his ideas are obsessed with him but that I think the assumption was that there was a ceiling to that but now it seems seems like he does at least appear to be able to get some some support outside of that if people who may not be excited about quote unquote socialism has an idea or who may not be excited to hear themes of revolution but are still finding something that resonates from him and I guess a lot of that is about healthcare. It is a lot about healthcare. And he's he's changed his approach because he doesn't WanNa be seen as a total outsider or someone who's a democratic socialist beating that drum each and every day instead ETA saying Democratic Socialism. All the time he'll instead talk about fiscal responsibility. He'll say if you spend too much money on a house the government shouldn't back you up if you spend money on stocks and stocks go down the government should in back you up because if you have a healthcare problem the government should be there to back you up. So he's trying to say to people he's not way way out there. He's not fringe. Your point about his ceiling is important. You look at the polls very very strong base. Many people are committed to Caucases Cassini forum to voting for him in the primary but when I was on the trail in Iowa there were many voters some of them female who have bad memories of twenty sixteen they do not believe that Senator Sanders in his supporters did enough to turn out into show energy for Secretary Clinton's campaign pain and you can understand what happened at the debate. This week between warned Sanders without understanding that lingering dynamic but then what about Joe Biden in how to sanders intend to win against the person who really embodies this idea of the moderate Democrat that that people who don't see themselves as part of the ultra left that they can vote for the sanders. Warren fight is so interesting because it's not what sanders wants to be talking about when you talk to sanders advisors they. They rather go after Vice President Biden they see in him a political target. That's pretty ripe. And the debate started last night was sanders. Talking about Biden's Biden's pass support for intervention in Iraq. The war in Iraq turned out to be the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country. That issue has has haunted the Democratic Party for more than a decade Joe and I listen to what Dick Cheney and George Bush and Rumsfeld hat to say I thought what they were lying. I didn't believe them for a moment I took to the floor. I did everything I could to prevent that wall and Senator Sanders believes because he was so antiwar for years he can cast himself as the champion the standard bearer for the antiwar wing of the Democratic Party and terms terms of people that that sanders is reaching out to the people that he think can be part of his base. Are those people different now than they would have been in two thousand sixteen they actually are. Iowa is ninety percent white that other ten percent. That's a target block for Democratic Democrat presidential candidates including Senator Sanders. When I went to Iowa the first event I went to was a Te'o Bernie event that's an affectionate term in Spanish teacher? Bernie Bernie and you see Senator Sanders. Who struggled in South Carolina with black voters in two thousand sixteen his campaign? He now realizes he needs to build out his coalition. So there are many Latino voter events African American voter events youth events. And you see him trying to reach out to working class minority voters in particular and saying to them. I will fight for you. He's been helped by I representative Alexandra. Casual Cortes of New York a freshman. WHO's been on the road for him and using that term? Te'o Bernie saying to Latino the voters you may not have been with sanders before but if you really want change. He's the one there is still some liabilities for Senator Sanders on the campaign trail though I think specifically the fact fact that he had a heart attack even though his polls have increased. Since then I think that a Lotta people continue to be concerned about that. As well as the fact that he talks constantly constantly about Medicare for all and he still refuses to say exactly how he plans to pay for that and even when he was asked about it last night Senator Sanders. You've consistently refused used to say exactly how much your Medicare for all plan is going to cost. Don't voters deserve to see the price tag before you send them a bill that could cost tens of trillions of dollars the Inter that he gave a sort of wobbly willto you is Medicare for all which will guarantee comprehensive the healthcare at there'd be man woman and child will cost substantially less than the status quo. So what do you think are the things that could still blake him in these early primary states. Let's talk about both of those. On the Age Front Bernie. Sanders is seventy eight years old. His doctors released three letters in recent weeks saying he's in great health. That said the letters did acknowledge he has had some heart damage. Anyone who's had had a heart attack is going to have some heart damage. The challenge for Sanders now is convincing people that he would would be the oldest nominee in history the oldest president in history does he have the vitality to carry it forward so on the Medicare for all cost front his whole approach to Medicare for all is to not give a definitive number because he believes that can be negotiated at his whole argument. To voters is don't think about it in terms of the the exact cost of the program because he believes healthcare costs across the board would be lowered if you had a single payer system the challenge for Senator Sanders is you may have any ambition on healthcare but congress is going to want to have a say they're going to want to have details to Congressional Budget Office is going to score legislation. And so eventually you're going to have to have a price tag that you communicate to the American people. Bob Costra is a national political reporter for the Post. It's three weeks. I what is time. Feels like you know. That's what they said twenty days period where I would feels like it's tomorrow elsa feel like it's a year away yeah and also took it will never come and now one more thing. Let's hear it all right some breaking news the WNBA were so oh thrilled to announce the WNBA and the players association led by Neka on Tuesday. Morning it was announced that the WNBA and its players union reached a new collective bargaining agreement. Women are also going to be providing platform on health and wellness and really redefining. What it means to be a professional women's athlete a mom? We have. We have entrepreneurs in the league is just really going to be a great platform. My name is Eva Wallace and I covered the WNBA among many other sports at the post. So this new labor deal that if ratified by the members of the Players Union and the board of governors will rent for eight years so the beginning of this twenty twenty season through twenty twenty seven season. That says it's going to be a sharp increase in player compensation across the board and a lot better benefits players so that's maternal care. Benefits and childcare benefits enhanced travel standards and an avenue towards it's a better revenue sharing model. So right now. WNBA players get about twenty to thirty percent equity when it comes to Revenue League and in twenty twenty one it could bump up to fifty fifty so players are getting fifty percent of the revenue and a slip that with owners the interesting part about this CBA with the Wnba the NBA is that and something. This is something that. WNBA is really conscious of. But there's not really a women's Sports League that is even in the position to be having this conversation and not something that Commissioner Cathy engelbert said on teleconference on Tuesday. If we can't make this women's league nobody can I something differently and this is one of the areas that we're going to try differently to make sure we're paying our top players. They're proud of so that everybody gets go to the next generation coming into our the so concerning maternity leave. We asked the Commissioner Cathy Engelbert would is the kind of new policy on maternity leave. What does that mean and the the WNBA and this new deal is offering full paid maternity? Leave your full salary whereas before that was kind of the recommendation but really it was based on a team by team basis so if teams wanted to pay somebody on maternity leave their salary they could but a lot of teams. You know. We're just paying half salary something like that. We also asked her. How long maternity leave is all the player Nathan and we committed to full salary maternity a we don't obviously know exactly what that means or if they're further parameters because we haven't actually seen the wording of the CBA yet but that is what the commissioner said Billie? Jean King actually had a great tweet. That said this is going to change what it means to be a female athlete in this country. In in this kind of time and it does just because this is the first real investment. We're seeing from a league saying that we need to put players. I and we need to put player wellbeing. I I you know in terms of starting a conversation other women's Sports Leagues. WNBA is leagues ahead. Literally Leagues they've been around since one thousand nine hundred seven and this is when you look at the history of the league. This is going to be one of the biggest kind of marks on the time line. Evil Wallace is a sports reporter. I Post. Oh that's it proposed reports. Thanks for listening. 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Today you can get started on your smartphone right now policy genius when it comes to home insurance. It's nice to get right auto show weeknights at nine on. MSNBC happy to have you with us. It is the week before Christmas and so everything is supposed to be. He's slowing down. If not closing up everybody getting into the holiday spirit. The news going into a long winter's nap we could be so lucky. It is the week before. Christmas is all systems. Go tonight we. We are following developing stories and a few different fronts on the issue of voting rights on the upcoming election. The crucial crucial crucial crucial swing. State of Wisconsin is as the president might say going through some things right now in a lawsuit brought by a conservative advocacy group. Estate Judge has just ruled that the state of Wisconsin must immediately deactivate the voter registrations of more than two hundred thousand people who live in Wisconsin. Two hundred with thousands more than two hundred thirty thousand. I mean for context. The newly elected Democratic Governor Wisconsin Tony. He's pointed out in reaction to this ruling that he won the governorship last year in Wisconsin by less than thirty thousand votes. This new immediate voter purge ordered by this state judge sort sort of engineered by this conservative. Legal Group will deactivate. We'll purge voter registrations of more than seven times as many voters as the number that that made up the margin that elected the state's last governor. You can't be too careful. Let's get these voter rolls trimmed. Disproportionately the voters voters that are being targeted to have their registrations deactivated or in Milwaukee and Madison which you can imagine my They are both basis of the Democratic Party support in the state there with home to large college campuses. We'll have students who again tend to vote democratic and so naturally those are the places is being targeted to have voter voter-registration deactivated and ask. Wisconsin is springing into action to take more than two hundred thirty thousand voters off the rolls effective immediately immediately. The Great State of Georgia as of tonight is doing the same thing you might remember in the hard-fought Georgia governor's race that got national attention right. Democratic Rising Star Stacey. Abrams facing off against the Republican Secretary of State and Georgia. Brian Kemp the man who was in charge of running his own. An election as secretary of state. The main controversy in that governor's race the reason stacey. Abrams never formally conceded. That race is because of this massive massive effort by the Republican controlled state government in Georgia. Brian Kemp I among them to cut down the number of people who were allowed to vote in that state ahead of that election between between two thousand twelve and two thousand eighteen Republican led government. The Republican led government in the state of Georgia. Canceled over one point. Four million Voter registrations just in that state. One point four million as of tonight the Republican led state government now under the gubernatorial leadership of Brian Kemp. Because now he's the governor tonight they're trying to unregister another three hundred and thirteen thousand people in Georgia people who are registered to vote but the state the government is going to unregister them. They're going to deactivate those voter registrations and purge those people off the voter Rolls Stacey. Abrams was not elected. Elected governor against Brian Kemp. She leads an anti voter. Suppression Group called Fair Fight. Fair fight has been battling this in court to try to stop it but yeah I mean this is part of a larger thing as Georgia. Democrats have fought harder and harder to register more and more people to vote in that state and Georgia has thereby increasingly trended purple and even toward blue. I mean this has been the Republican response to just wipe people off the voting rolls by the hundreds of thousands. Every way they they can and so yeah. These days are upon US already. The next election will of course be decided by which candidates are on the ballot. And how good. They are running their our campaigns in the mood of the country and all the rest of it but in a technical sense in a nuts and bolts sense the next elections will of course be decided entirely by who who votes in those elections. WHO finds it easy to vote? who finds it hard to vote who finds themselves disallowed from voting so Wisconsin in in Georgia? Both in the middle tonight of pershing between them hundreds of thousands of voters off the roles in both states. Both of both of those states The people who are disproportionately targeted by those voter purges or people who are likely to vote democratic now in terms of who the candidates are going to be in the next election one of the things. We're watching tonight. It's going to be really interesting over. The next few days is that the Democratic presidential candidates are supposed to be having their next bait. This Thursday tonight in Los Angeles. I say they're supposed to be because there's a couple of interesting developing stories to watch their first of all all the candidates who have qualified for this. This week's debate all seven of them have now joined with New Jersey. Senator Corey Booker and former HUD secretary. Julio Castro neither of whom qualified for this week's debate the seven candidates who are going to be on the stage plus Booker and Castro has now joined forces nine candidates altogether to basically petition the Democratic Party to petition Titian the DNC that they should change the criteria by which Democratic candidates qualified for the debates from here on out of the seven people who were qualified for the Thursday night debate in La. Six of the seven of them are white on the Andrew. Yang is not the candidates are describing the limiting impact of the DNC's debate rules. Having a quote inadvertent impact on the diversity of which candidates are making the cut and ending up on the stage for the Democrats so all the candidates on stage plus Booker and Castro. They're asking the party now for changes late changes to the qualifying process for the next debates. Basically it'd make it a little easier for candidates to get up there by by more means means that they can get there now so far. The Democratic Party shows no signs of giving in to these demands. But I mean think about how this plays out if all of their candidates are asking for this. The same thing. It's eventually going to be coming awkward problem for the Party. You can't have all of the candidates in the party against the party on a procedural issue like this even sooner than that resolves though there's this issue of whether there is actually going to be a Thursday night debate this week and that is completely determined at this point point by whether or not there's going to be a picket line between the candidates and the debate venue at Loyola Marymount University people who work at Loyola Marymount are in a big tough labor. The dispute that as of right now is going to put a picket line around the entrance to the debate. Venue and Democrats do not cross picket lines. Every one of the candidates scheduled to be on stage on Thursday night has said that he or she will not cross the picket line in order to get into that venue but as far as we know it picket lines going to be there so far the DNC's these response appears to be to hope that this issue will resolve and quickly. But if it doesn't I don't know what plan B is and I say. This is a developing story. This is definitely worth watching over the course of this week because this is not something where like a shade of grey is going to work where there's like some compromise solution. I mean this is a cut and dried thing. If there is a picket line there will be no candidates the debate only if there is not a picket line in there be a debate. That's it's black or white. It has to go one way or the other and it has to go fast. I mean Thursday night three nights from now and meanwhile between now and then the president of the United States is going to be impeached for only the third time in. US history. The president's favorite way to absorb orb information appears to be watching television. Nothing wrong with that and most of what he appears to watch on. Television is the Fox News Channel over the past couple of days it appears to have rattled a number of the president's favorite hosts on the Fox News Channel and therefore appears to rattled the president himself that in Fox News. This is own latest poll on impeachment fully. Fifty percent of the country says they believe that president trump should be impeached and removed from office. This this is among registered voters nationwide. This poll was taken last week again. It's a Fox. News poll fifty percent of registered voters in the country. Say they want trump impeached impeached and removed from office. Only forty one percent. Say they do not want him impeached. And that is the top line result which you might imagine would cause enough agenda at the White House and the Fox News Channel but you look at the results. Below that headline the detailed results are even worse. I mean the rise in the overall proportion of people in this country who want trump impeached and removed from office appears to be driven by independence turning against the president on this issue and this is bad at any time. It's particularly bad heading into an election year in late October. This same Fox. News poll showed Thir- thirty eight percent of independents wanting president trump impeached removed from office. Now the proportion of independence who says that has risen from thirty eight percent in October to forty five percent now and that increase in support for impeaching and removing the president from office among independence. That is driving up the numbers overall in terms of national support for impeaching him and throwing him out in this new Fox News. Poll a majority or a plurality of registered voters very clearly say that president trump abused his power abused power. That is fifty three to thirty eight. Yes he abused abused power also yes. He obstructed Congress. That's forty eight to thirty four. Also yes he committed bribery. That's forty five to thirty seven Fox. News poll asked is it generally wrong for president trump to ask leaders of foreign countries to investigate political rivals registered voters by a margin of sixty two twenty four percent say yes that is generally wrong well. What about the Republicans argument in the White House argument that everybody does it? That presidents do this kind of thing all the time. Well Fox News asked registered voters nationwide do presidents typically ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals. And the answer. According to this New Fox News poll is no according to fifty eight percent of registered voters. Only twenty two percent say. Yeah that's normal presidents. Do that all the time. Every element of this impeachment poll from Fox News cuts against the president. Is the trump administration cooperating enough with the impeachment inquiry. The answer registered. Voters is no fifty two to thirty eighty. Six percent are congressional Democrats running the impeachment inquiry fairly the answer from registered voters according to this New Fox News poll is yes. Democrats are running this impeachment. Inquiry fairly by a plurality of forty five to forty two how about the president's Republican defenders in Congress. The Fox News poll asked. This is an interesting testing question. Asked if the President's Republican defenders and Congress are defending him just because they want to protect politically or are they defending him because they truly believe that what he did is not not impeachable by a sixteen point margin voters nationwide say Republican lawmakers. JUST WANNA protect politically project. Trump politically by sixteen sixteen point margin by sixteen point margin registered voters looking at the behavior of Republicans and trump supporting members of congress through this impeachment achievements. Say It's not because they don't think he should be impeached just because they're protecting them anyway. That's bad not only for the president that's particularly bad for the president's Republican supporters in Congress. Who have their own political fates to worry about? The politics of the impeachment inquiry are a on the move love and be trending badly both for the president and for Republicans in Congress and while it technically should not matter who conducts a nationwide poll. I like this as long as it's a scientifically sound poll. If we're being realistic about it the fact that this is a Fox News poll and is therefore being covered all over Fox News which the President Watches twenty four hours a day that that has a particular sting in a particular effect for the president and his staunchest defenders. But the other thing that is at work here and I think this is the most interesting thing about this impeachment even when you compare it to other impeachments of the last century right even when you compare it to the Watergate impeachment effort and the Bill Clinton impeachment effort. The thing that I find fascinating fascinating here that I really think is sort of stands alone. Is that this impeachment crisis as the house moves to vote on articles of impeachment against the president this week. It is not a dead letter. It's not over the impeachment scandal and what we know about it continues to evolve and continues to break open bit by bit for example. You remember Michael. Cohen was this time last year. That Michael Cohen was sentenced to prison for among other things making illegal payments totaling over a quarter million million dollars to benefit the trump campaign for president by effectively paying to women to make them stop asserting that they had had a fares with then candidate Donald trump just about what a year ago in the course of that criminal case when Michael Cohen was learning. How much time he was GONNA get in federal prison that we also got headlines like these prosecutors say trump trump directed illegal payments during campaign quote? Federal prosecutors say set on Friday that president trump directed illegal payments to ward off a potential sex scandal that threatened his chances of winning the White House in two thousand sixteen before actually reporting for his first day in federal prison. Michael Cohen would go on to explain. Blamed Congress exactly how president trump directed him to make those illegal payments and the fact that trump wrote personal checks to Michael Cohen to try to disguise the sources. Where's the money and pay it all off? I am providing the committee today with several documents and these include a copy of the check Mr Trump road from his personal bank account after he became president to reimburse me for the hush money payments commits. I made to cover up his affair with an adult film star and to prevent damage to his campaign. I'm going to jail in part because of my decision to help. Mr Trump hide that payment from the American people before they voted a few days later as exhibit. But five eight to my testimony shows. I am providing a copy of a thirty five thousand dollar check that president trump personally signed signed from his personal bank account on August. First of twenty seventeen when he was president of the United States pursuant to the cover up which was the basis of my guilty plea regardless of what you think about the president and these alleged edged affairs are whether you can bring yourself to think about them at all. Personally I've just got a block about it can't even get there. Even if I try to sleep canarian a little bird cages. Put a little blanket overmanning regardless of what or whether you think about these affairs the money that he paid to cover up the allegations of those affairs those were felonies. The money that he paid to cover up the allegation of affairs were felony illegal payments and Michael Cohen went to jail for them and federal prosecutors. Say it was the president who directed Michael Cohen to make those illegal payments. But he's the president and so while he's president he can't be prosecuted and so only Michael Cohen has gone to jail for that funny though last May president trump had to revise the financial disclosure disclosure. That he is legally required to make US president he revised it to include for the first time and after the fact admission that yes he did pay Michael Cohen for the hush money payments to the porn star and the playboy model. It's illegal for a federal official including a president to lie on financial disclosure form. He had not included his illegal campaign finance payments on his initial disclosure but he went back and revise that an included it in a new footnote filed just before Michael Cohen went off to prison. Well that's the history here. The near it's amazing none of that factors into the impeachment at all. That's just sliding right. But the New York Times reports of of this weekend that this time what the president is not listing on his financial disclosure form is the free very expensive gift has received from Rudy Giuliani free gift of legal services in the scheme in Ukraine for which president trump is being impeached. This week Rudy. Giuliani says. He was acting as the president's personal lawyer for months trying to cook. Got This proverbial drug deal where the government of Ukraine would announce investigations into president. Trump's most feared political rival for next year's election former vice president. Joe Biden. Now Mr Giuliani. Believe it or not is a very highly compensated lawyer in real life. He does have the right to work for his friend. President trump for free. But that's a gift if he's doing so under government ethics laws. That's a gift that needs to be ascribed a real monetary value and it needs to be disclosed on the president's ethics is financial files. And it's not a subtle thing I mean. The rules explicitly say federal officials must disclose quote gifts of of legal defenses. Either in kind or by payment of the fees in this case it's in-kind but the president has made no such disclosure as to all this free legal work that Rudy Giuliani's Johnny's been doing for him and again this is not an optional thing. It's a crime to be a federal official who lies on your federal financial disclosure which is why the president had to humiliatingly headingley revise his last financial disclosure to reflect the fact that yes he did make the illegal hush money payments that his lawyer went to prison for. I mean he's going to have to make that kind of revision with this Giuliani stuff too but again it's not optional. This is a legal thing and the line between the political scandal handle and the sort of public humiliation and the crime in this presidency and specifically around this impeachment scandal is getting very very woolly. I mean Mr Giuliani himself is reportedly the target of a Federal Criminal Investigation which has resulted thus far in subpoenas to lots of entities and individuals who have done business with Mr Giuliani and his consulting firm one of the two handsome prom dates. Who accompanied Mr Giuliani and his adventures? In Ukraine tomorrow is due back in federal court in New York where prosecutors are asking for Parnis earnest is bail conditions to be revoked. Mr Parnell is currently out on house arrest with an Ankle Monitor on while he awaits start of his federal trial. Prosecutors are now asking the judge in this this case to revoke those bill conditions and instead put them in jail to await his trial because among other things. They say he didn't tell them about the million dollars that was wired aired to him from Russia in the month before he was arrested this past September while he was in the middle of working on this scheme with President the scheme for president trump. With Mr Giuliani Juliani. Love will be in federal court in New York tomorrow finding out if he's able to stay at liberty until his trial starts. Mr Parnell has already expressed an interest in providing hiding information to the impeachment investigation according to the Intelligence Committee has already turned over documents and correspondence to them and is continuing to do so on a rolling basis while that bail proceedings underway for left parties in federal court in New York. Tomorrow we're also expecting a different federal court tomorrow. The sentencing of the President's deputy campaign pain chair Rick Gates Gates. Sentencing has been delayed at least six times already as he's been cooperating with prosecutors in multiple cases related to president trump including the trial that resulted in the conviction of trump's campaign chair Paul manafort and the trial that resulted in the conviction of the president's longtime political adviser Roger Stone Rick Gates will be sentenced tomorrow at long last because of his extensive cooperation and his willingness to testify at trial. In at least I think three federal cases bases prosecutors are asking for Gates to get probation and no prison time but they're also asking for the court to require him to continue to assist prosecutors as needed and even after his sentence is imposed on top of that today trump national security advisor Mike. Flynn had a disastrous Zastava Day of his own in federal court. Flynn was initially due to be sentenced on Wednesday of this week would have been sort of an amazing split-screen right while president and trump is being impeached. In the House on Wednesday Mike Flynn would simultaneously being potentially would be sentenced potentially to federal prison as trump's first national security advisor for lying lying to investigators about his secret contacts with the Russian government. That would have been an amazing split-screen but that plan Wednesday sentencing for Flynn was delayed when when Flynn as seen on TV new defense counsel insisted that Flint sentencing needed to wait and wait some more wait some more because because she promised a lot of incredibly exculpatory information was just about to come out about. Mike Flynn that would show that he was totally innocent and he was set up by a rogue. FBI and Robert. Mueller is the real crime Lord and all these other theories that sounded amazing on Fox News on a weeknight but didn't make any sense given that Mike. Flynn has pled lead guilty to felony charges. The judge in Flint's case today rejected all of those legal arguments without exception and without hesitation. Listen he didn't use exclamation points but they were implied. The bottom line of the ruling today against Flynn was blunt quote regardless of Mr Flynn's new theories. He has pled guilty twice to the crime and he fails to demonstrate that the disclosure of the requested information from the government would have impacted his decision to plead guilty quote upon careful consideration of the party. Submissions the applicable law and the entire record. There in the court denies Mr Flynn's motions all of them in addition to rejecting every single one of Flynn's motions and every single one of Flynn's requests for more information from the government and prosecutors the judge fifty separate separate requests for information to try to put off his sentencing even more in addition to rejecting all of those every single one of them. The judge goes out of his way to note that in the filings filings. That Flynn's lawyer made on his behalf. In this case his lawyer appears to have committed plagiarism. The judge didn't have to point this out. He just made sure not well at the court. I consider Mr Flynn's requests in the party's arguments then analyzes Mr Flynn's request for classified information and concludes. That Mr Flynn has failed to establish. Let's just single brady violation by the government before turning to the specific requests. Though the court will address the ethical concerns with Mr Flynn's brief and the judge goes on to explain that the ethical concerns with Flynn's brief is that his lawyer copied stuff from a Supreme Court ruling. which is the kind the thing a judge might notice? I mean copy stuff from wikipedia right. Maybe the judge won't scream court ruling the judge by and so now Mike Mike Flynn has had his scheduling sentence. Again it's not gonna be Wednesday while the president is going to be impeached. His sentencing is going to be next month towards the end of January. The only real drama drama now left in the flint cases whether there's going to be some sort of ethics filing our ethics finding against his lawyer but also the question of whether prosecutors might actually revise their earlier earlier requests to the judge that he go easy on Flynn. The prosecutors had initially said that Flynn had should get lots of credit for his earlier cooperation and that he'd been a great witness for them. It really helped them out now that Flynn has switched his legal defense to somebody he found on Fox News now that he is no longer cooperating and in fact is trying to use his case to undermine in all of the prosecutors cases against all of the other Russia related defendants. It is possible the prosecutors could now go back to the judge. Say Hey judge. If you're thinking about throwing the book at Him we will no longer mind if you do that. And this concludes. Today's cautionary tale about hiring your defense counsel from trump land. So there's lots going on all at once. The Judiciary Committee produced its final report on the impeachment of Donald. J trump president of the United States was released east overnight. Just as we told you on Friday would be it is an intimidating document because it is six hundred fifty eight pages long. But here's the secret. I will tell you the new bit of this report. Port is not six hundred fifty eight pages long. There's only about one hundred and fifty pages. That is new. The rest of it is just a complete record of everything else that has happened in the case and in the investigation thus far. It's mostly stuff that we've seen published other places but in it's one hundred and fifty pages. It's new stuff. Its Final Report on what happened in this impeachment investigation. The Judiciary Committee concludes that the President doesn't need to have committed a violation of the law and actual crime in order to be impeached but but the committee concludes that in this case. Nevertheless you should know that the president did commit violations of Law specifically bribery and honest services fraud brought and again he doesn't need to have committed actual crimes violations of federal statute in order to be impeached. But they're saying yeah he did anyway. We're talking about that with a member the judiciary committee coming up in just a moment tomorrow. The rules committee is scheduled to set the terms on which the impeachment vote will happen on the House floor on Wednesday tomorrow. We're all night. We're expecting demonstrations around the country more than five hundred rallies in support of the impeachment of president trump all under the theme. Nobody is above the law over five hundred and fifty rallies planned in all fifty states over one hundred and fifty thousand people. RSVP online to take part in those demonstrations all over the country tomorrow night so here we go. I know it's the week before Christmas but we apparently are going to have to run through the tape on this one stay hydrated. Stay with us. Everyone Steve Kornacki here. We have heard explosive testimony from key witnesses in the public impeachment hearings. So what's next as the case. Ace for impeachment Ben made could the President Count on Republicans support in a Senate trial. And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. While every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked talk to NBC News Reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment it's an NBC News. podcast host we break down what matters. What's it's next and what it means for our country search now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free? Thanks for listening. There are no crimes here her. That is defense my colleagues across the aisle at putting forward how about the highest crime that one who holds public look office could commit a crime against our constitution now the constitution does not require president. Trump have committed statutory crimes after all we in Congress are not criminal prosecutors. We do not prosecute crimes. We protect the constitution. But since my colleagues keep bringing up what potential crimes a criminal prosecutor could charge the president with. Let's go through some of them. Because President Trump's conduct it overlaps with criminal acts. Let's start with criminal. Bribery Congressman Eric. Swallow last week's marathon. Judiciary Committee hearing the articles of impeachment against President Trump. Let's start with criminal bribery. That was last week. And then Lo and behold overnight when the six hundred in fifty eight page impeachment report was published right there in black and white. The president is accused of quote multiple federal crimes including criminal bribery and also honest services fraud quote. Although president trump's actions need not rise to the level of a criminal violation to justify impeachment his conduct here was criminal joining. Yes now here. On set is the EERILY prescient congressman. Eric sponsor it's good to have you show me by. I mean as you noted in that little bit of sound that I just played and in the report it's clear and there is no equivocation about the fact that the president doesn't have to have committed a crime in order to be impeached. Why is it therefore important to spell out that in your view and in the committees? You he did commit crimes but will his conduct released piece of power also matches up with multiple criminal criminal statutes and our job is I pointed out where to protect the constitution Criminal Prosecutors. One day may look at what the president has done. And we also think it's kind of a circular the argument for Republicans to say well. He hasn't been charged with the crime. So you can't impeach him when the President won't allow his own department of Justice to charge him with the crime. But if you want to go through the crimes we believe that in his abusing his office by asking a foreign government to help and cheap for his own personal benefit in the election he committed the crime of bribery but also also the trial of honest services fraud which is basically bribery on the phone. Wires wire fraud component part of that. I was interested. I I don't don't spend a lot of time talking about polling on the show. 'cause I feel like you could pick a poll any but it does seem to have gotten under the president's skin and perhaps under the skin of some of the folks who relies on the Fox News channel that there was a Fox News poll that came out this weekend that showed fifty percent of the country in favor of impeaching and removing him from office as opposed to forty one percent who are not in favor of that but interesting. On the question of bribery. A plurality of registered voters across the country also believed that the president committed criminal bribery I feel like given the case that you guys made for that in the report the fact that public opinion seems to be with you on that the fact that it seems to have sunk in that that really is what the president attend. I'm sort of surprised that they didn't end up in the article itself was that was that a fierce debate. It was actually purposeful. We believe that there's no higher crime against the constitution than abusing using the office that we've entrusted with as president the highest office in the land office where you have great power to seek foreign interference where you can jeopardize national security security and election integrity and we think he did all of that and so we wanted to make sure that we captured all of that With those three words abuse of power people understand what it means for verve their boss the pastor their teacher anyone who holds power community. You know what it means when someone abuses it so that captures your the president's conduct best you and every other member of the House on Wednesday is going to have the responsibility of voting on these articles. Can you give us any sense just as people are going to be watching this from the outside. Decide what it'll be like and what you expect from the process. Expect a protracted debate. I mean this is an opportunity for members to go to the floor and explain why why this offends their oath to the Constitution and why we have a duty again to protect national security and the upcoming elections. But you're going to hear a lot about the urgency. Let's see here that these articles you said they're not a dead letter. I've said written in the active voice. They're not written in the passive voice. They're not looking back at something that happened in in the past. This is ongoing. The president's lawyer just got back from Ukraine his briefing the president this week and so we have all the reason to be concerned that if we do nothing gene we could lose everything congressman Eric while one member of the Intelligence Committee on the Judiciary Committee. You have a big week ahead of you sir. Thanks for all right. We'll be right back. Stay with us. The the protesters sometimes dress up like fish with big cardboard hats in the shape of fish heads into you see little scales taped all down the body there. Some of them have retrofit their musical instruments to make the instruments look like fish to this employee is a fish accordion Indian. Sometimes they're just durable little old women with fish signs strung around their necks but these are just any fish that these demonstrators have adopted adopted as their symbol input on all their signs specifically they are sardines and it's funny to think that a tiny humble little fish that's usually sold in a can would end end up becoming the mascot of a political movement but that is exactly what is happening in Italy right now and I'm all for it. I'm at least all the sardine imagery where it comes from. Is that over these past few weeks. Protesters part of this movement have been cramming into piazzas all over the country into public spaces. They've been filling up public. Plazas is everywhere. The idea is that they're turning out such large crowds. They're literally packed together like Sardines and they are there to demonstrate against that country's far-right leader. Matteo Salvini Salvini is ascendant Italian politics right now. He's trying to consolidate power by having his party. pickoff seat specifically in traditionally left leaning regions agents in that country and Salvini ascendance and that flanking move by him has inspired a thirty two year. Old Italian almost accidentally became the leader. Of what would soon even be called the Sardine movement the thirty two year old guys started holding counter protests calling for counter protests with his friends calling for counter protests and flash mobs in cities cities and regions. Were Salvini was looking to make inroads with his far-right party after Salvini boasted that he could fill Italy's squares with his own supporters. The Sardine movement responded did by hosting demonstrations that were double the size of anything that Salvini could turn out now here in this country. The trump era has also generated all sorts of organizing and political mobilization in opposition to him and his movement. A couple of weeks before president. Trump's inauguration we I noticed small protests. Cropping coming up at the offices of Republican members of Congress and that started to build quickly realized that it wasn't just Republican members of Congress. It was democratic members of Congress. Chris too and these people turning up at these district events were following a guide a guidebook drawn up by a group a new group called indivisible which argued about about how people could effectively pressure their members of Congress to block the trump agenda even if you live in a liberal area even if you have a democratic member of Congress but particularly if you've got the Republican member of Congress here's what you can do that we'll have a practical effect on the behavior of your member soon. There were thousands of individual indivisible groups all over the country protesting certain policy positions targeting members of Congress everywhere every time they went home. They held retirement parties outside some lawmakers offices ahead of the the two thousand eighteen election here. They are standing outside in the rain outside. The Office of former congressman. Darrell Issa. serenading him telling this year you're going to retire. You're and it works. Retired as dozens of other Republicans in Congress the first real hint of what would be that blue wave election in two thousand eighteen that saw the house flip to democratic control we also saw protests when Republicans tried to jam through a healthcare. Bill that would have gutted Medicaid. Which would rob many disabled Americans have benefits of dozens of protesters? Many of them in. Wheelchairs turned up outside of Senator Mitch. McConnell's office Senate hearings point actually getting out of their wheelchairs laying on the floor. Org McConnell's office. They held firm despite being arrested by Capitol Hill. Police people being wheeled away others being carried away and it worked. They blocked that bill. Perhaps the biggest of mobilization that we have seen in the trump era was the women's March the day after president. Trump's inauguration at dwarf to the inauguration augmentation crowd size hundreds of thousands of people taking to the streets not just in Washington. DC But coast to coast one sign of a good government or good leader is that you don't have to think about politics much. Your your dear leader May Not Cross your mind in a country. That's well run obviously is not the case right now one of the hallmarks all marks of this era is that politics and the leadership in this country is very much in your face in your brain all the time not only the behavior and the actions and the words of our president but but the actions of our government constantly provoking outrage and support and outrage and support and outreach and support in a way that is exhausting for all involved that's led to all sorts of different reactions. Some people check out some people decide to run for office but for a lot of people it has meant getting out there in the street and that has been a hallmark of the trump era already. And we may be about to see that for the first time in a large-scale tomorrow when it comes to this impeachment scandal and that story's next stay with US tomorrow. Night in Boise Idaho. They're planning a Hunkin wave in Louisville a Hawaii. It's going to be what they call. A family friendly gathering in San Antonio Texas people are going to be rallying in downtown San Antonio in my not North Dakota they they will be marching so far. Almost six hundred different events are planned nationwide rallies and marches on the eve of the houses. Full vote on impeachment. That vote will happen on Wednesday. These events are going to happen tomorrow night Tuesday night. The website impeach Dot Org project of a big coalition of different liberal advocacy groups is helping protesters coordinate these rallies all under the banner. Nobody is above the law and happen everywhere but some of the more sort of you pointed events in terms of their potential impacts will happen in specific congressional districts where you can imagine the drama. This creates that individual member of Congress take for for example. The events scheduled in the District of Minnesota Democratic Congressman Collin Peterson. Peterson says he hasn't yet decided whether he's GonNa vote. Yes on the articles of impeachment he represents represents a district that's projected to be a toss up in the twenty twenty election. His constituents plan to let him know what they want him to do when the house meets to vote on impeachment articles articles on Wednesday. The impeachment process by design doesn't have a public component. It's up to our representatives in Congress to do just that to represent sent their constituents in that room as they consider essentially indicting the president which they are going to do in the house on Wednesday and potentially removing him which is what they're going to consider in the Senate but what Congress does work people across the country are planning to put a very interesting form of pressure on their lawmakers tomorrow night remind them who they represent what they want joining us now is. He's CO executive director of indivisible one of the groups involved in organizing tomorrow night's rallies as for it's good to see. Thanks for being here. Great to be here so over the last a couple of years we have talked a few different times about strategy. Yes and one of the things. That's been so interesting to me about indivisible is your perspective. Along with your co organizers visit invisible as former congressional staffers saying listen we know what moves members of Congress and here's specific ways to call your member of Congress reasons to go to your events. Here's the type of events that are going to move them right. How does a mass demonstration how to marches and rallies of types? That are type that are planned for tomorrow night. How did they work strategically yet? So I say this is a former congressional L. Staffer Congress a whole has an approval rating on par with toenail fungus and cockroaches and that was an old poll. It's probably lower now. But here's the great thing about Congress. Every single member wakes up every morning thinking. How am I going to get reelected and the answer to that question is you've got to convince your constituents that you're win the good folks in Congress the you're actually looking for them you're not part of that problem caucus and in Congress you're one of the ones who is actually represent constituents which means Congress go home? Oh every single week trying to craft their local image and make clear that they are one of the good members of Congress. And that's what gives constituents power. That's what we exercise over the last three years. Because if you get a handful of people together and show up at a Congressional district office shop at Townhall Chopin and public space and say hey member of Congress I think you should be representing me. I I think you should hold the president accountable that influences how they're perceived by your neighbors by the community at large and that can affect how your member of Congress actually behaves and I've seen it with my own eyes being commercial staffer in terms of the way these events are going to go part of the reason. I ran through this list of different types of events that are planned is that it does seem like in in every different district in every town where these are happening and there's like almost six hundred of them plan now. It seems like they're all a little different that everybody locally is planning their own type of event that they hope will have its own type of impact. That is exactly right. This is not a command and control operation and a little news. It broke six hundred events before I came on the number is growing. If view are in town and you go to indivisible door shadow or put in your Zip Code and you don't find one you stick up your hand and say hey. I've got a dozen people in all all set of my own impeachment event if you August will emit search indivisible logo you'll find the national indivisible logo and that's all well and good but you'll find literally hundreds of other indivisible logos from all over the country because is this is fundamentally a movement that is let it the local level and the reason why it has had the impact that it has had the reason why still going three years on is because people got together together to fight against the trump agenda but they stayed together because they built these communities of folks who are supporting each other and the empowering each other to influence this state of National Politics Altech. What is your take on? The sort of punditocracy discussion about whether or not impeachment is going to help or hurt. The president's reelection chances if in fact the senate doesn't remove him look. There's an impeachment in Red Oak Iowa. That's between Des Moines an Omaha. That happens to be in I well. We're Joni Ernst is running for reelection next year it's an estate where Donald Trump's approval ratings are underwater by thirteen points. Joni Ernst is going to have to vote on whether to shield this unpopular President Iowa or vote to acquit and. That is a tough choice that she is now going to have to make. It's a similar choice that's going to have to be made by Republicans in states like Maine and Colorado in Arizona and Georgia in North Carolina places. Where trump is going to have to win and these Republican senators going after when I think whether or not this is good politics? This is the right thing to do. Because is is the constitutional responsibility of Congress to hold the president accountable. But it's also I think a good thing to do for anybody looking to win in the eyes of their constituents as CO executive director of indivisible supposed to. It's good to have you here all right we'll be right back stay with us for something unexpected. That happened today. You can file. This under elections really do have consequences when Democrats took the house last year. One of the very first things they did was they held a hearing on gun. Violence is the first first time in eight years. There had been any congressional hearing on gun violence. Do you think about the number of gun massacres. We've had in the past eight years. It's just astonishing but with Pelosi as speaker and the Democrats newly control. They started with those hearings and soon the democratic controlled House would pass the first major gun reform legislation in a generation and then of course legislation moved over to the Senate and never saw the light of day with Republicans in control of the Senate. It has looked like the new democratic kaos majorities attempts to address gun. Violence would produce symbolic victories. Only it had looked that way but then today is something unexpected. There's there's budget negotiated negotiations going on both parties in the House on the Senate. Those budget negotiators have reportedly agreed to restart federal government research on gun violence for the first time over twenty years. Thanks to pressure from the gun lobby the US government has been effectively banned from even looking at it from doing any research at all into gun. Violence they've been banned from doing it since nineteen ninety-six it's hard to craft solutions to the problem of gun violence if you are prohibited headed by law from even researching the problem itself but as of tonight. The federal government's budget for next year now includes twenty five million dollars for the CDC the NIH to start doing that research again for the first time since the mid nineties something Democrats in Congress have been trying to get done for twenty years even in the the heat of the impeachment inquiry the machinery of government does sometimes slowly quietly role on elections do have consequences even if it takes a long time to get there. I'll be right back very busy day tomorrow at eleven. Am Eastern time. The rules committee is going to meet to set the rules for the floor. Vote on the impeachment of President Trump and the full house on Wednesday also tomorrow morning simultaneously. President's deputy campaign chair gates is going to be sentenced in Federal Court on Felony Charges US simultaneously in New York. Federal Court a judge tomorrow. We'll review the bail terms for this guy who was helping push the scheme with Rudy Giuliani. for which the president. It is now being impeached this week like I said Busy Day but also tomorrow right here live and studio. My guest for the interview is going to be Lisa. Page Age Lisa page was a top lawyer at the FBI worked on the Clinton email investigation and the Russia investigation. She's been of course the subject of vicious relentless attacks from the president personally and from his supporters Lisa page left the FBI last year. She has said very little publicly since then but now she is ready to talk. She's going to be here exclusively tomorrow. This will be her first television interview since she left the FBI have a lot to ask her Lisa page here exclusively tomorrow night. A dozen for US tonight. We'll see you again then. The witch meadow show weeknights at nine stern on MSNBC. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good it did just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. 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"Before nine PM Eastern Chief Justice of the United States. It's adjourns. Tonight's session you. You heard there the majority leader Senator McConnell saying that they will stand in recess until ten. Am tomorrow that is a different start time than we have seen all this week in the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump. They've been starting all this week at one. PM Eastern time the barebones logistical reason. They have been doing. So is that chief. Justice Roberts has is a day job. He has been in charge of things over at the Supreme Court during the early morning hours and hasn't been able to get to the capital until one. PM Start Time that does not hold on on a Saturday. They are working on a Saturday. They're working on the weekend. Starting tomorrow they will take Sunday off. But they're not constrained by those Supreme Court Rules Ruleson so tomorrow they will convene earlier than they have at ten. Am as I said. I'm Rachel Motto here AT MSNBC Headquarters in New York City. I'm joined here on set by my friend Chris as the host of all in on MSNBC also former US senator from from the Great State of Missouri. Claire mccaskill almost didn't call Missouri. Great there for a second hand Yo. I would have had to stop you right there. Understand great deal dairy Chuck Rosenberg former senior official at the Justice Department and the FBI also joined by Maya Wiley former federal prosecutor in southern district of New York. Thank you for being here tonight. We did get a little bit of a closing statement from Congressman. Adam Schiff the lead impeachment manager. There's no formal. Aw closing statements. There's no formal time for rebuttal. After the other time side goes and as a trial works you get the prosecution first and then the defense second and so technically. There isn't a place for the prosecutors. The impeachment managers to hold the floor and respond to what we're about to hear from the President's council starting tomorrow but this was Adam Schiff tonight tonight closing out these proceedings in dramatic fashion as he has been doing but essentially asking senators to anticipate what the arguments are likely to be pre budding. What we anticipate those arguments to be chuck? Is this something. That has a parallel in in real trials in the article. Three courts somewhat. Okay so in real criminal court in Federal Court of course the government carries the burden of proof and so it goes both first and last I. You're not quite seeing that here. You're seeing here. Is the government going. I and the defense going second. And so the pre buttle that you spoke Rachel the something that Adam Schiff sort of passed to do to anticipate the arguments that he thinks the senators will hear from the defense because he will not get a chance again he was a federal prosecutor. That's how he grew up up. He was an assistant attorney in California and so he's probably more used to as I am having that last word is a very powerful thing in court. The reason the government gets it is because it does carry that burden of proof and so you speak twice person last but not here my in terms of the way okay. This landed both has a legal. Pre buttle is chuck is describing but also that that sort of incantation he was thinking about giving America fair trial. Make this a fair trial looking ahead of that. Crucial vote on whether there will be witnesses and evidence admitted into admitted into this trial. How do you think he did? I thought he was extremely effective. And and one of the reasons is because he knew that he had to convince and persuade. He didn't just go through a recitation. Of fact it's over again right. They've been doing that for three days. Line by line through the impeachment articles and said that was proven that was proven that was reuven but he didn't run through. The evidence is backing it up right. Which would have been a mistake I think? And but but he also argued how to interpret those facts without going back through them. That's a very powerful the thing to do right when he says look what the what they're really telling you when you hear them say executive privilege is right. I mean he he he tells you how to understand what it is. You're going to hear from the other side by making it clear what their argument is and it really was. I mean one thing I would say to add to what Chuck said about pre bottle is in a trial you you do. Pre buttle you just do it through witnesses businesses. They don't have witnesses to do. Pre buttle through yet your witnesses to testify to the things you want to blunt the edge of the of the defense so he did that very effectively by explaining exactly how to hear what they were going to. What they're going to start hearing tomorrow I also vote? He just he. I thought he made the subtexts in the room in there was a gasp moment for me which is when he talked about moral courage You read a quote by Robert Kennedy and he talked about how rare for more courage as he actually says something. I thought it was sort of important rhetorical moment where he said. It actually doesn't take moral courage for me to be here because my constituents are on my side my constituents on my side at my parties on my side and to me what kind of breath because the subjects entire thing is that ah we we know that there are people sitting in that room of a low opinion of the president and his character. And I think who think that he probably did this. Who are constricted by the structural incentives they face as members of political party and politicians and to me honestly the question of the age of the trump age is? Can you say the true thing when it's in front of your face in case you are just just joining us our panels here in New York City. They have just wrapped the impeachment trial proceedings for the night. They're picking up earlier than usual time tomorrow at ten am I am. I will tell you though in terms of what's about to happen right here. We expect to be speaking with a number of senators who we are wrangling as they leave the floor. We're also anticipating this hour an interview with the attorney for left Parnis something that broke in the news today alongside two adjacent to and sort of a budding. These impeachment impeachment proceedings. And we're going to be. I'll tell you what we're expecting to be talking to him about tonight. Wanted that news is as we get closer to that moment. But there's a lot still developing over the course tonight a clear before we talk with some of your former colleagues in the Senate. Let me just ask you how that sort of closing knitting together. The arguments worked for you from Adam. Schefter well he wasn't as emotional as last night. But I can get emotional about the courage card dealt because if you're from tough state the conflict flicked between your principles and your polling the conflict between what you believe in and what the majority of your State is screaming at you about is a very painful process and what he tried to do. Tonight was isolate that conflict and put it in the context of a constitutional crisis and the strength of the United States Senate to stand tall in history and maintain the equilibrium of the checks and balances in our constitution. And I gotTa tell you it is a hard thing and I'm not trying to express sympathy for the Republicans. Don't go nuts on me here. I am trying to say that those moments and and if you're from a really red state or really blue state you don't happen very often but if you're from the other kinds of state they're hard it's real and that's what these folks have to wrestle with. But he told him last night and he told them tonight and they do it. This guy did this. He's given the back of the hand. Oversight of the United States Senate and deep down guarantee the majority that Senate believes he should be removed. Democratic senator from the Great State of Virginia is our next guest. He has somebody somebody who knows of what Hugh speak. Mark Warner is also the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and therefore has sort of very important role in that room center. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate you making time. Thank you so much Rachel and Love. Shout out declare she just. I think did a great job of both synthesizing Adam. Schiff who's been remarkable over the last four days and also the challenge. I think he called on all of us to reach that point of moral courage. Senator Warner let me just ask you to to comment on on on what player said on what Senator mccaskill said about focusing in on the hard decisions that senators of good faith are are considering as we move over to the other side of the argument and they start to hear from the President's Council that let me just go go for well the first of all again. It's been a long four days. I know we've only been in eight or so hours each day. It's felt like an eternity hundred politicians being quiet that long a rarity I would tend to agree with Claire. I think that Mr Shifts Adam's comments particularly last last night when he basically spoke out and said to air all of us you know. Does anyone doubt this president wouldn't have the capacity to do this that he wouldn't do it again that anyone in this room Democrat or Republican alight would be the object of his scorn if they rose up against him. I think struck struck home. I've spent a lot of time with my Republican colleagues. Try to look at things in a bipartisan way. And I think that struck home I think he was also made that appealed tonight that this is about rising above I think in that same scope. I want to give the president's lawyers an opportunity to make their case a over the next couple of days. I'M GONNA be very curious to see whether they're going to attack the factual basis which again I think I followed this closest most. Maybe not not as close as you Rachel but I thought it was very important when they laid out earlier in the week in a linear fashion all of the objects of the president's effort to hold back the White House meeting with hold the aid to try to get these obviously to political considerations trashes political opponent. or You you go with this Kooky theory that Ukraine was involved rather than Russia. That was a pretty that was extraordinarily powerful with the presence lawyers try to go against the factual they they try to say process Fowler. They say he did it in but it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. I'm going to be very curious to hear what the president's lawyers have decided but let's face uh what has happened so far. Is the house managers. I think adult an extraordinary case about what are clearly if proven proven impeachable offenses. That are one of the unusual things about this impeachment process and I know every impeachment is its own thing because we've had so few of them but there is is this question as to what evidence will be admitted what witnesses will be heard from. And what is continuing to develop in terms of the factual record that we have about the government's governments behavior of the president's behavior on what was really going on in this Ukraine scheme. The lead impeachment manager Chairman Schiff right before the trial started raised. A real red flag in a couple of public interviews right before the start of the trial he basically said publicly that he believed the NSA and the CIA. Yea were withholding important information about Ukraine and he said explicitly to CBS News. That he believed it's possible that the agencies were withholding that information on orders from the president. Now you're the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee in the Senate. I just have to ask if those assertions that he made are are congruent with your understanding. Is this something that is that's being being looked at. I'm not GonNa comment specifically on what Adam said. I am going to point out that there is no one in the the trump appointed intelligence community or law enforcement community or for that matter. I don't think any of my colleagues on the Senate Intelligence Committee that are Republicans believe there's any credibility in this notion that somehow Ukraine was the active involve her involvement in our twenty sixteen elections rather than Russia and clearly. This has been part of a Putin Russian intelligence services propaganda effort and I do believe that that there's the potential that agents of the president potentially rudy. Giuliani are being manipulated by the Russian spin and the Russian propaganda Baganda and this will be as Adam Schiff laid out. If this if this story holds it is such a net win for Putin both in terms terms of the split with America and Ukraine. They notion that somehow the Russian propaganda story is being advanced and the fact that the President United States continues to believe his own personal lawyer rather than his own intelligence leaders for that matter. His Own Republican senators on the intelligence committee because today focused in large part on article to obstruction of Congress. We've got a detailed recitation of the claims in article two including I thought a powerful an interesting argument from manager Garcia's Garcia. Who argued pointed out timeline in which the State Department and the Defense Department had had both initially responded to the impeachment inquiry by saying that they were prepared to cooperate? They respected the congressional oversight responsibilities. Here they would hand over documents documents they would. They started the process as normal and then the White House intervened and told them both both stage department and the Defense Department. Don't handover thing. Don't make any witnesses available salable on our orders. Did something similar happen. Has something similar happened when it comes to the intelligence agencies or were those sorts of instructions actions specific to state and defense. I don't think there's ever been a White House. That is tried to intervene more with the normal operations of government in in terms of when the normal operations of government and appointed officials or for that matter long-term governor officials try to follow the law. And this this White House believes they stay in many ways rise above the walk again. I'm anxious to hear the president's lawyers response to that tomorrow. I also thought was important this afternoon. Afternoon was the fact that even Richard Nixon when he went through impeachment adhere to the rule of law and respected the Congress's subpoena ability and that was all thrown out the window. I've got more questions. I'm trying to get those questions answered but I do think that for the most part the intelligence community has been a and the law enforcement community neglect. Christopher Ray has been one of the view areas in government. It's been willing to stand up to this president and that that is cost folks like former director of national intelligence. Dan Coach former deputy director. Sue Gordon a thirty year. Professional cost them their jobs but they've been willing to put country first one one. Last question for you senator. You Open the conversation by saying that you have a lot of conversation with your Republican colleagues. You're on the Senate Intelligence Committee which has a well-earned reputation for across the aisle comedy among members. I just wonder if over the course of this long week. In these long days you have been able to have conversations with your colleagues across the aisle if there is constructive discussion happening about important forthcoming questions like whether there will be witnesses. Are you talking with your Republican colleagues about those things absolutely absolutely I am and I again. Want to go back to the powerful powerful message Adam. Schiff was great tonight but he was on a scale of one to ten. He was twelve twelve last night in terms of really speaking to all of us about the character of Donald Trump and about the fact that frankly nobody would not everyone in that chamber. Could I believe that he took these actions and he would. Frankly take them again. If there's not some raining in either want to give the confidentiality of conversations. I also as somebody who. I took an oath to be impartial until I hear the whole presentations. I'm anxious to hear from the president's lawyers. I'M NOT GONNA make any decision until I hear from them to get our questions answered answered but I want to close with this this and this is very telling to me. We've still got folks. The president's chief of staff the President Secretary of State. It appears now the the the vice president host of other top political officials. Who Know the truth? You would think if they were able and willing to come forward and take take an oath and clear this president that they would be forced to do this you would think the prisoner's lawyers would welcome that. I find it extraordinary that these guys this who are still closest in the room are unwilling to come forward and the president doesn't want to come forward that to me is also a very very relevant fact. Skip all the process and the procedure but the folks that could clear. This president are not willing to come forward because maybe they're not willing to take an oath and say that Senator Mark Warner Democrat Virginia top Democrat Democrat on. The Intelligence Committee starts invaluable to have you here tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you very interesting. Point that he closed with. They're putting the witnesses question. Not just on the Republican Publican senators will have to decide if they want to hear from witnesses but putting it on Mulvaney pompeo these other officials that if they WANNA come forward. It's their choice to that. They could make AAC. They could tell the world that they are ready to testify and put themselves out there On them to a certain degree and frankly the American people. That's the common since kicking in if this president. If it was a perfect call then his folks should be showing up going. Let us tell you what really happened. But none of them want to put their hand in the air and make that oath knowing the consequences to lying in front of this particular tribunal. You know the person that I'm you have done. Great Great reporting on this talk about on your show but Mike Pompeo increasingly seems to me like the key to the whole thing I saw you said today that if there was one person you wanted to put under today it would be why I sat a few reasons I mean one. He had this bizarre outburst today after. NPR interviewer challenge. Tim We've got that incredible But but but second of all basically. There's something about this story as we know it doesn't add up and it's the part of the Maria von which why can't the president he's people today. The tape came out about the president right. Why couldn't the president fire his own Ukraine ambassador ambassador? Yeah what could he do it. He everyone conservatives defending today says the president has the power to recall the ambassador and that is surely true and in fact one way he could have done it was was to appoint a new ambassador and set it up to the Senate and then you would have been rid of it. Why did they constructing Rube Goldberg Machine? That involve foreign money channeled through two guys named Lebane- Gore going going to a Texas congressman to write a letter to the sector state to try to get rid of the Messenger with the President and get rid of live in his conversation with. You said it almost. I became a waiting for Godot. Kind of thing like she is fired. She does not move. Yeah they keep trying to fire. She won't go anywhere there. Some part of the story that is in that State Department. It is in foggy. Bottom editors in Mike Pompeo that explains why that all happened. I won't let me there's one other piece of this stuff has been driving me crazy. And it was reported by the daily beast who didn't interview with love subsequent to my interview with him and CNN interview and others in which there's this thing with this Guy Dimitry Tash right so this Ukrainian oligarch has been charged with very serious bribery charges in the United States. He's fighting extradition and he's got all the money in the world he's the Kremlin's ends man in Ukraine. The prosecutor says upper-echelon Associated Russian organized crime. Like what's he doing in this story. Anyway left tells me in that interview that that they were trying to work out a push me pull you with Dmitry for a little bit of a trade. That Rudy Giuliani. Set up a plan. Where fear Tash would get a little help trying to get his? His his Justice Department case against him dropped reduce the threat of extradition and in exchange he would cook up some anti Biden stuff for them okay. Life Partners told the daily beast that as part of that deal. One of these lawyers is working with Riccione calls the US ambassador to Germany. Rick Grenell who is president trumps favorite ambassador and Rick Grenell. According to love partisans account of the facts says how can I help and she says what we need you to do. Is We'd need you to give us a little bit of adds up if they're really going to extradite fear. Tash says sure I can help you with that. I can help help you enact this exchange I as A. US Ambassador will use my connections with the State Department. To give you his defense counsel a heads up so he can flee from the feds. I mean that's the US ambassador Germany. He's had no comment in response. The State Department has had no comment tim response but we know he's very well connected and that's part of trying to help a US beauty different justice so the world that Mike Pompeo Heo is overseeing has been involved in so many hairy hairy parts of this that have yet to be fully adjudicated Katie. And that in some cases they haven't even responded to but that's crazy the fact that he never denied he never defended Yvonna Vich that it did take a year to fire her that. There's these insane. Saint allegations out there about rick. Grenell sitting ambassador to Germany in the middle of all of this and that Giuliani was. Apparently they're put in charge of US diplomats who didn't have Ukraine as part of their remit and he was so he could run this operation for the president which Mike Pompeo was apparently totally right in. Right yeah and the Cornell Still Secretary of state well how's he secretary of state and what again what we have seen and what was was displayed throughout the three days of argumentation. Is that all of the documents. I mean you have to search high and low through the documents that have been turned over to find one. That is exculpatory for the president right. I mean there's a lot of email traffic there's no one there could have been even from kind of CYA perspective. There could have been like a Mick Mulvaney. I think this is wrong. We shouldn't be doing this right like the only one of those you get the Gordon someone. Someone famous tears standing calming to your point about about Grenell and for Tesche and Pompeo at the top of listen and that wild interview today with seems to be a man under tremendous pressure you know. The State Department produces a lot of paper like there's one thing foreign service officers love is the cables and paper and producing paper. And we've seen none of it only got in the stuff that individual witnesses either subpoenaed or call to testify. The House Intelligence Committee were able to take with them outside the building and hand over and the stuff they have taken from that building from the state. Department's orbit has been in the most in Col- Pretoria evidence that we have so far the president and that is a tip of a larger iceberg inside that bill and let me quote one of my favourite house managers. And what she said today. We shouldn't have to read it in the book. Don't wait for this to come out and we'll have to wait to read it in the book. That really Kinda sums it up. Because it's all GonNa come out Bolton was read in on this stuff and he's GonNa he's GonNa talk eventually even if the senators refuse the expected subpoena. That we should know I'll tell you I control room purposes the moment that Senator mccaskill is referring to there is sound on tape number number twelve seeking queue that up. We have to take a quick break. Play that when we come back then I believe we are going to be joined by minority leader. Chuck Schumer from the Senate live. Stay with us. If you don't know your numbers you you don't know your business. 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America is getting thus far well. They've done a great job. The house managers. They were comprehensive. They were strong. They covered everything. A real tour De Force was Adam Schiff listed because the republican the President's lawyers will go after him he listed just about every false argument they would make and rebutted it in two or three sentences preparing the way so I thought I thought our house managers did a fabulous job and you just showed Val demings one of the things that sort of hadn't been talked about but I think is hidden in here. Is the article too because the president's demand for absolute immunity no no no one can ever challenge the president's when he wants to withhold information which is so out of character with the American Republic and impeachment and neither Andrew Johnson or Nixon or Clinton came close to that that sort of a new argument. That hadn't really been made fully and was made very well by vow by Nadler by Hakim by a few of the others and I think that's going to resonate at least with the public because it says that Donald Trump wants to be monarch monarch like he just wants it his way and he wants no one not the congress or anyone else to refute them and Adam. Some that are pretty well at the end to check. I know that you've you've got begin to prepare questions for next week. And I know the members have been asked to submit some ideas questions later tonight and and you will begin to work on the process of fashioning eight hours of questions that will help. Are you thinking about using those questions. As a way of rebutting between what we know. My misleading claims made by the White House lawyers over the next few days absolutely clear because usually usually in a trial as you know better than me. The prosecution gets a rebuttal. After the defense makes argument the prosecution and the defense then the rebuttal of the prosecution. We don't get that. I think we can use the question. Period is away to allow them to rebut some of the Republican arguments. And I know many of my colleagues are preparing questions questions. Just along those lines. Senator Schumer. It's Chris Hayes here Chris. Good to see you. There is a moment I just wanted to get your read on a moment that happened just now where Adam Schiff mentioned that. CBS report which was an unnamed senior aide to the president saying that the message had gone out that any Republican votes against the president their head will be on a pike and I believe Susan Collins from Maine set allowed twice protested. That's not true. What happened there? Well I don't know if it's true or not but I'll tell you this. The Republicans are so afraid to confront the actual facts here that presented by the house managers that they're always always looking for a diversion remember. It was Nancy and the pens and then the first day it was Jerry. Nadler calling calling the Senate cover up or whatever we did and yesterday they said we've heard all this evidence. Why do we have to go through this? Even though they wouldn't allow new evidence and tonight they'll do this. You know what Chris I'll l.. Stand here all night. You find me one. Republican who will actually rebut the arguments made about the president's abuse of power and the the president's obstruction of Congress. And I think we'll have a long night. They hand argue on the merits and so the typical Republican thing to do and now more than ever with all the pressure on them. We all know there's pressure on them is to find diversions senator. We have reporting tonight about a recording being an audio recording that is apparently of the president from two thousand eighteen in which he personally and in blunt terms calls for the firing of Marie. Ivanovich Ambassador Astra to Ukraine now. Reportedly this this recording has been given to the Intelligence Committee in the House if the Senate will not accept except that tape as evidence or can't because of the way the timeline works here. Would you encourage the house to release that tape on its own to the public. Look we believe everything often should be made public. We believe we have right on our side. We believe the American people are on our side. You know when we started four weeks ago with witnesses and documents no one knew would it was now however our Republican colleagues feel they know their constituents are strongly for witnesses and documents and incidentally there is still eight to ten Republicans who have not said. They're against witnesses and documents. We hope to get him but we should make it public. And I'll say one more thing about that tape. What president trump did and? This has the support from impeachment Dodo. She is part of the impeachment situation. What he did to ambassador? Ivanovich is just despicable. This is a woman who dedicated her life to the country. She was not a political person at all. She was the kind of person that makes America proud. She's sort of in a civilian sense like our soldiers and for him to be so nasty and to be so cruel in his actions to her and now on this tape. He's despicable he's despicable and what Adam Adam Schiff talked about and what a lot of the managers did is what the president does and how he acts that. It has to be his way or no way that he is the whole country if the benefits him it's good and if it doesn't it's not regardless of how it affects America That plays into this. This man is is just he is so against the greatness of American values and what we believe in and this is just another stunning awful example. It's despicable despicable. Senator Chuck Schumer the Democratic leader in the United States. Senate Sir Thank you again for your time tonight. We appreciate you making the time for us. Nice to be with you on the point and if that audiotape its impact on this conversation functions that a couple of different levels number one the content of it is interesting in terms of what's being alleged about the president's behavior and his motivations number two it is on its face demonstration and piece of proof that more information is going to keep coming out over the course of this investigation and the senators blinding themselves to additional evidence as it comes out in particularly evidence that helps us understand. The fact pattern of the president's behavior is going to get increasingly awkward overtime. I will tell you that the attorney for left parties who says tonight that his this client has turned over that tape to the House intelligence committee as of tonight. Joseph Bondi is that attorney. He's going to be joining us in just a moment. We also expect to be speaking With at least one more. US senator who has has had just had a very long day at the capitol stay with us. Lots company executive power without any sort of restraint without oversight and without any checks and balances his absolute power and we know what has been said about absolute power absolute salute power corrupts absolutely by issuing the blanket order and later specific orders. President trump trump prevented at least twelve current or former administration officials from testifying during the houses impeachment inquiry. He's specifically forced nine nine of those witnesses to defy duly authorized subpoenas. The facts are straightforward. And they're not in dispute at the heart of article due to obstruction of Congress is a simple troubling reality. President trump tried to cheat he got caught and then he worked hard. Aw to cover it up. This is a determination by president trump. that he wants to be all powerful. He does not have to respect the Congress Congress he does not have to respect the representatives of the people only his will goes. He is a dictator joining us. Now a senator or Dick Durbin Democrat of Illinois Democratic Whip Longtime members of the Senate leadership. Senator Durbin it's an honor to have you here. Thanks for making time for US tonight. So what are your reflections on on this side of the trial you have seen the house. Managers make their opening arguments. Tomorrow we make a big shift to start hearing from the President's Council. Will I think the presentation the House house managers was masterful and chef. Of course Let it and I couldn't think of a better presentation. Command of the facts and understanding of the law and and the ability to stand there literally for an hour or more and to lay out his case effectively and then he had a wonderful team with him. So I think they put a pretty high for for the president's men to say that they're going to match them tomorrow in terms of how this is playing for the public. One of the things that's happening happening for all of us watching this at home is that we're also aware of public reporting about new evidence in new information and new documents being released for example simple by court order from foy lawsuits and things where we the public are learning learning more stuff about what the government data and what the president did specifically around the scandal handle while it seems like the Senate is a little bit stuck in time in terms of what you are allowed to consider wonder if that is putting any pressure on on senators as you head toward this important vote on whether or not witnesses and documentary. Evidence will be admitted. It should because the point was made the house managers repeatedly that the evidence is going to continue to tumble out even the despite the best efforts of the president and his team This information is going to come out in one form or another and I don't think it's going to be kind of the president or he released it himself a long time ago and so those who want to end up voting with the president side of this issue may find themselves in an embarrassing position. Senator Durbin it's Chris Hayes here. I'm curious about how you and your colleagues on. Both sides of we are thinking about this next phase in which the president's lawyers will be presenting arguments and one of the things that they have foreshadowed and sort of gleefully talked about is. They're going to go after. Joe Biden nine hundred Biden. That's going to be part of their defense. They're very excited to essentially carry out. Part of what was the scheme that got the president impeach- in the first place which is trying to dirty up. Joe Biden and I know you served with Joe Biden. Many people on both sides the I'll have served with him have a Lotta respect for him or relationships with them. What's your what is your feeling about this next phase and what is GonNa be like to watch them do that? If that's what they choose to do. I don't think it's GonNa work well. It really plays into the argument of the house managers that the president was ready To do anything even holdback necessary military and security from Ukraine If he could get some guarantee of an announcement investigation the Biden's And if they are gleeful tomorrow jumping all over hundred Biden Joe Biden. I think it looks like they're trying to execute scheme on the floor of the Senate they couldn't pull off in conversations intersections between those two presidents I know that they're looking forward to doing that. They are also telling about the fact. They're going to have a very brief presentation that's all they need. I look at their table. Loaded with all their experts and I wonder how they'll do a very limited period. It's tickets Claire. Let me ask you about the excuses. It seemed to be surfacing from some of the Republicans about calling witnesses and documents. I was concerned when I saw that Lisa Murkowski of said something to the effect effect. Well they should have gone to court in the house You know this is a little bit out of left field but is there something fundamentally wrong with our system right now that we could not go to court because it would not be determined for years in advance if that happened. Shouldn't there be a way. Hey for there to be immediate consideration when it's this balance of power between the United States Senate and the president of the United States. Well I think that Adam Schiff made that one of the managers made it very clear when he put up on the screen. The timetable of taking these questions of privilege religion and released documents and witnesses to court. You're lucky to get anything done in a year and often it's many years before it's completed and if you're talking about a four year term for a president Problems in the middle of their term. They can just Saulat and in terms of producing any evidence under that approach And this President President I guess in a way. It was a godsend that he's taken the absolute approach here that he doesn't have to disclose anything to anybody about any act of his administration. Shen when you take that absolute approach claiming privilege It really gives a pretty big targeted courtroom senator. Dick Durbin number two Democrat in the United States. Senate thank you for being with US tonight Sir. I know tomorrow is going to be another big day. Thank you all right so as I mentioned at the top of our coverage here tonight there is another another big piece of news that broke around the Ukraine scandal. Today that is Not quite alongside the impeachment scandal. It is more of an butter because it keeps bumping into this scandal. As it is being fought over on Capitol Hill what emerged today was an audiotape. That had long been rumored it is an audiotape up in which the president of the United States can be heard personally ordering the firing of the ambassador to Ukraine. Well we here here at Msnbc have now heard that audiotape and we've got somebody very close to that story coming up next stay with this. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise happening I'll be talking with sports. Writer Howard Bryant and talk about the Astros Cheating Scandal which is wild why Colin Kaepernick still isn't playing in the NFL. And the intersection of race and Sports in Donald Trump's America. That's this week. I'm why is this happening available now. Wherever you're listening to this podcast? Okay I WANNA take a turn now to something that has been happening sort of in parallel to the impeachment investigation and the Senate trial and that's the continued revelation of potential new evidence. A bunch of it has come from a man named love. Parnassus indicted associate of Rudy. Giuliani for a long time. I'm very close associate of Mr Giuliani including during the time when Giuliani appeared to be spearheading this campaign on behalf of the president in Ukraine the campaign for which the president has has been impeached for which he's now on trial left. PARNIS was a direct part of the president's alleged scheme to put pressure on the Ukrainian government to announce investigations into Joe Biden. Now Love Park has been saying insistently that he is willing to tell Congress what he knows already. He has handed over text text messages emails. Handwritten notes even a voicemail that have flushed out in interesting detail. What we the public know about how this game same elapsed over took place over time? Mr Parnasse has also recently spoken out in a few media interviews including one interview that I had with him. Recently Mister Peres told me in that interview. The president quote knew exactly what was going on and another part of that interview. Parnes told me about a dinner that he says he attended ended in April two thousand eighteen at the trump hotel in DC where he says the president cold explicitly emphatically for the US ambassador crane. Marie Yvonna Rich to be fired. So love partners has told the story before. The Washington Post cited Mr Parnasse on it a couple of months ago. And they're reporting. He described it to me as I mentioned in my recent interview but today we got a huge advancement in the story when ABC News reported that. There's a recording Lordy. There's a tape. What Mr Parnell had described about the president ordering the firing of Maria von of it is something that was recorded on an audio recording? That was apparently only made of that. Same dinner in April twenty eighteen at the trump hotel. That's according to ABC's reporting MSNBC has now heard portions of the tape. The tape was made by love business. Partner and co-defendant Eager Fruman. Although those two men were very close for the duration of the scheme Mr Freeman and Mr Parnell have diverged verged in terms of their willingness to cooperate with the congressional impeachment investigation and in terms of their legal defense according to ABC's reporting today though it sounds owns as though president trump can be heard saying about ambassador. IANOVICH get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow. I don't care get her out tomorrow take her out. Okay do it as I mentioned. MSNBC he has been able to hear portions of this tapes. This tape this evening as well and it does sound like president. Trump's saying those same words to a group of people including love Parnasse. Yes we heard. Get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow now. Importantly this tape has been handed over to the House Intelligence Committee but where this tape come from mm-hmm who's had custody of what it means that it has now been released turns out to be a fascinating tale joining us. Now is the man who can tell it. Joseph Bondi is an attorney for love garnish. You will recognize him as the man who was sitting next to us during the interview with his client. Mr Bond. Thank you for being here really. So let's start at the beginning here. Left Parnassus said as part of my interview with him and he's told another few other people that part of what happened here. Is that before. Joe Biden was running for President before this Ukraine scheme we understand it now is in effect the President had personally called for Marie Ivanovich be fired and he specifically told me that it happened among other places at an April meeting in the trump hotel. Did you know did your client at the time that there was actually a recording of that event including the president making those comments shortly shortly thereafter. I'm not sure about at the time of the dinner. But shortly thereafter he learned to Mister Fromm and had apparently been recording the event. Yes so Mr Ferman recorded it. Did he record it surreptitiously or did others at the event and now I'm not sure I don't. I don't know. She made that recording. He shared that recording with your client with love parts. Books now was that recording handed over to or was it seized by the government when Mr Ferman were arrested. Well I can't really talk about the things. The government is sees is that are under protective order. But what we did today and in the wake of ABC because we had nothing to do with turning over that you were not the source that we're not the source of the ABC. There you know your client not at all but we re comb. The cloud accounts that Mr Pornos was now able to access recently without doing damage to the evidence. The southern district was harvesting and we found this recording and so we that it was in his founded in his possession not subject to protective order. A one minute and twenty one hour and twenty four minute recording of that event it is a dinner in the trump hotel the private townhouse of president trump. Is there Mr Parnassus there obviously Beasley. Mr Freeman is there and About forty minutes into the recording. The subject of the ambassador comes up. Why does the subject of the ambassador come up in this contact? Interestingly enough president trump raises the question says what's with Ukraine House Ukraine and the Up to that point there'd been a talk about liquid natural gas L Oakland and g and the need to kind of find a way to get ellen g into into Europe as well and at some point left Parnassus speaking to the president about the people of Ukraine and they love him and he raises the subject. He says the trouble is really the ambassador says to the press out a loyalist. She runs around saying to people that you may be impeached and he stopped suppresses basically and says well get rid of the President says yes. Get rid of her. Get rid of her on a few occasions. He says it over several seconds. Yes let me focus in on this specifically because I've been trying to sort of get my head around this for a long time and I feel like I keep getting buffeted so so. Hello Mr Partner told me in my interview which you were there for that. He believed these negative things about mastery of Arnovitz at the time. He has since. Come to believe leave that they were not true. That in fact ambassador Arnovitz was not bad. mouthing president trump that. She was not saying that he was going to be impeached. And nobody should pay attention to all of these scurrilous claims about him which he believed at the time left says he no longer believes I mean no. They're not true. Does he know where he was getting this false information this disinformation about the ambassador from and at WHO's bidding was he spreading. Well I'm not sure. I think that he Mr Ferman had spoken about generally Ukraine. This subject matter at the dinner is brought arranging the net. There's the subject of medical cannabis. There's the gas subject There's crude oil as the subject. There's javelin missiles as a subject all of these things are all of these things like organic dinner if you will at dinner talk and at some point. He raises what he had heard. And I believe that Mister Fromm and may have been a conduit for a lot of that information. Okay which was simply that the ambassador was going around and talking about how the president is going to be impeached and perhaps shouldn't be listened to now that we know those are false claims. There's of course there's a lot of a lot of very intense American interest in who started started this to try to oust the US ambassador and when the president latched onto these claims he's hearing them on this tape from left Parnell from your client when the president latched onto these things. who was feeding him? That disinformation that he was gobbling up and that the origins of those claims remain murky. Obviously we know that there were Ukrainians Ukrainian officials including former prosecutors shokhin and Lukashenko who were spreading falsehoods about Maria Voinovich because of their own career. Entrusts they were corrupt. She was anti-corruption. She was in their way. They wanted her out there. Any reason to believe that Shokhin and Lit Sonko or other Ukrainian officials were the ones who came out. I really don't think so given the timing maybe at some later point but it seems to me that the president is poised to basically accept this narrative. And it begs the question as to whether there'd been some talk before they ever met live. Porno said evening about the ambassador. I mean open this up to questions as you guys are listening to. This might let me actually bring you in as experienced. It's litigator here. I will say your client has case before district Ms Wiliest ex southern district of New York although civil division criminal enough. I'm very curious about how you read. How this tape fits into this larger story of impeachment? How is it helpful given that? We're watching the trial right now. And how do you think it will help your client. Well I think that the truth helps the client. If the course we've decided to take is voluntarily disclosing his involvement in this entire caper and fully doing so doing it early in the game and trying to do it to body that has the most profound impact which is Congress. I think all of that helps tremendously. And as you know. The whole justice system is really fueled by what informant informant testimonies like this protective armor that we have some of the most critical evidence that you ever see in federal convictions. Or the obtaining of indictments is obtained through cooperating witnesses and so our endeavour essentially is to attempt to have lived. Tell the truth and the most meaningful way for all of us. But isn't the question whether he's he's telling the truth about things he has been indicted for if that's the issue because some of the things you're pointing to go out are not necessarily relevant and to what the southern district is pursuing. Maybe not but the southern district we now have four counts federal election ad case with a relatively low sentencing guideline range. And we're talking about things that are far greater import. I think and of course remember. There's no mandatory. Minimum sentences. Here is not like we need to try to get below that through The the assistance of the federal government. What they'd come call a five K.? Letter so one last quick question. So does this mean. Your client is fully cooperating with the seven district an in answering all their questions. Does we've tried to answer those questions or we're trying to do. Now is being a position to answer the questions that Congress may have and help how country with most in terms of I. I'll tell you right now. I'd like to ask you to stick around for another segment with us in terms of what we can expect in short order you have conveyed this tape to the House intelligence the FDA you expect that they will make it public. I hope they'll make it public noting Senator Schumer saying it has to be made public. I think it's of critical importance that we hear the evidence. I think that's the best way that we have to ensure our chances at having a fair trial or or a real trial royal if you will. You've allowed us to hear portions of it so that we can validate and talk with confidence about what this document is but this is. Is there any reason that you can't give it to US broadcast well. Maybe maybe we will but I wanNA listen to the full tape as you might imagine as Mrs Depar- lawyer. I think it's important that it gets out there. I think that this is one of the most important ways that we can try to push the issue of having a trial. That's not like a mime. Show that has evidence and witnesses and I know the time is short toward our guest. Is Joseph Bondi Attorney for Love Parnis. Who's right at the heart of this story tonight in which a new audiotape has emerged in which the president can be heard ordering the firing of ambassador will be back with Mr Bondi right after the statements? Thank you for being with us of the impeachment. Trial of president trump tonight. The house impeachment managers wrapped up their their side of the case the case against the president. We're expecting things to change both in teller and in tempo as the Senate trial gets back underway. Tomorrow they'll be convening tomorrow at ten A. M. Eastern time which is several hours earlier in the day than they previously been convening all week. That's because on a weekend they don't have to wait for John Roberts. The chief justice of the United States to spend his morning working at the Supreme Court. They'll get started tomorrow at ten. Am Our expectation and it is based at this point Basically soclean US reading the tea leaves of the President's public comments and the way that the president's council has been describing their intentions so don't take this as hard and fast but our expectation dictation based on those sort of intangibles is that they may have a fairly short day tomorrow. If only because Saturday is a day when a lot of people are going to spend all day indoors doors watching the impeachment trial They do have twenty four hours over three days to make their case. We expect Monday Tuesday certainly to be longer days. It's up to them once they get the floor and they will get the floor as of ten. Am Now in terms of our coverage tonight. One of the things that we're talking about tonight we've been talking about over. The course of the evening is a development related to the impeachment scandal that has come from beyond Capitol Hill. Love Parnassus is a Soviet born American citizen Who is a close associate or was a close associate of Rudy Giuliani's rudy? Giuliani is the president's personal lawyer was taking point on this scheme in Ukraine for which the president has been impeached and for which he's on trial to try to pressure the Ukrainian government to announce investigations into former vice president. Joe Biden essentially As a way to dirty him up before the twenty twenty election we know from the impeachment proceedings that included pressuring Ukraine about all sorts of things they wanted including a White House visit for the Ukrainian in President Military aid that the Ukrainian military somewhat desperately was counting on for its ongoing war against Russia and other things that they wanted desired. Unexpected from us as their staunch ally Mr Kearney's has since been arrested. He and three other men were charged. multi-count federal indictment by the southern district of New New York. The other three men have their own have found their own pads through this part of the criminal proceedings against them but Mr Parnasse has become a very a public figure because he has said he wants to testify. He wants to cooperate. He wants to help the impeachment investigation into this matter in which he was intimately involved involved through his lawyer. Joseph Bondi Mr Parnell has made available to the house in investigators a number of documents that we definitely would not have otherwise wise scene including text messages. Handwritten notes voicemails voice recordings from various people. Involved in carrying out the scheme it has wildly ably expanded our understanding of what was going on who was involved in a chain of events by which this thing happened well tonight an audio recording according has emerged. ABC News. I report that in April nineteen. Excuse Me April twenty eighteen meeting sort of smallish dinner honor at the trump hotel in Washington love ebore room in were present and as left has said in interviews including with me recently Mr Mr Mr Trump president trump at that dinner was engaged conversation about the. US Ambassador Crane. Marie Ivanovich and personally loudly ordered that she should be fired during that dinner. This expands the timeframe by which we knew that. The president was hell-bent against that ambassador This was again April of two thousand eighteen. So this is before Joe Biden was running for president. This is before we know. The Biden related scheme had come to four but the president. Making these remarks of something that loved attested to that gives lie to the president's assertions that he doesn't know Aparna and hasn't meaningfully interacted with him. The tape was again first reported by. ABC News but we here at MSNBC tonight have reviewed portions of it. And Joseph Bondi the the attorney for Love Barney says that he has conveyed the tape tonight which is over an hour long to the House intelligence committee what. The House Intelligence Committee chooses to do with it themselves remains remains to be seen but there remains the possibility that this will be released to the public That's all off the top of my head on that. So let me just ask any of you sitting sitting here. If I got any of that wrong we're joined here by Chuck Rosenberg once again for Justice Department. FBI official from the US. Senator Claire mccaskill my wily veteran of St unwed civil the division there and by Mr Bondi. Thank you for staying with you in terms of the import of this tape WHEN MISTER WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP MR trump is exclaiming that he wants be embassador gone get her out? Take her out DOC. WHO's he talking to we have? This is the portion of the taper. This happens does not have a video components audio recording. It's talking to your client. Can't let partisan Eager Freeman is directing that instruction to somebody else in the room. I think he's talking to the whole room into the style of our president is certain bombast about about him but first office departments could never expect when he raises the subject matter that the president is going to say fire her. Get rid of her. Get her out of there. When would never expect the president than to respond to your statement that way? I believe he's speaking. There's another another aid of his in the room Mr Distefano but we clearly here the statement and I know it's sustainment that love has talked about before we actually had it before we released it so it's just another piece of corroborative evidence to demonstrate that indeed. He's been telling the truth about everything that he's been saying now as I mentioned we here at Msnbc have reviewed portions of this tape. We're not prepared to report out every bit of it that we've heard we've essentially actually validated that. The tape does appear to be what it's described to have been and so I don't WanNa get too far out ahead of more fulsome reporting that we can do. We've got more intense intense access to this actual original material that set in the portions that we have reviewed one of the things that appear that that the president president appears to be involved in discussing. It appears to be. His voice is a discussion involving the president and Mr Parnasse and others about Russia's more with Ukraine in which the president it sounds like the president ask. How long would they last meeting? How long would Ukraine last against Russia? Mr Parnasse it appears to Mr. Your client appears to respond by saying without us. No time at all with us without us about thirty seconds. Is that your understanding understanding. What's happening that's what he means? That's what he says. Yes so if the president is having a conversation with the Ukrainian American in two two thousand eighteen in which he's expressing and having a colloquial with that that person in which it's made clear and the president understands understands without our military aid Ukraine is dead before Russia that their war with Russia will end with Russia over running that this the following blowing year the president of course cuts off moves to cut off. US military Ukraine. That's would seem to be an important material development in terms of the the seriousness of what the president knows the pressure. It'll create upon Ukraine. He knows what happens if you cut off military aid and as I said not just military but all eight humanitarian Syrian aid. Eight of any sort but yes. We have evidence here on this recording that the president is aware of the fact that Ukraine very much needs American military assistance and I note that the the recording is made on the day that around of Javelin missiles were actually received by Ukraine. So it's just right in the president's mind it's ripe topic for conversation. I WanNa bring you on this part of it. Yeah I think frankly. That's the part of the part of the tape. We heard. That's what jumped out at me to me me. We know. It's important to corroborate Mr Parnis parts about get rid of her. Because that's what he said and now he has tape to back him up doc but if the transcript of the tape and if the authentication of the tape rings true to what we heard this is a big deal because because it shows the consciousness first of all the president wanted to know the answer to this question how long would we we Ukraine last in a fight with Russia and then he is told by people who understand the nature of the problem that no time at all so that means a full year before he hold the aid read he knew the consequences it would have and therefore it really I think augment the case against him and impeachment and I'm hopeful that this gets in front of the Senate Senate tomorrow we were to have negotiations with the intelligence committee about bringing your client in for a deposition with them separate and apart from the impeachment trial and we talked to the the committee on a number of occasions. We've delivered evidence to them. There was a little bit of a delay in getting materials from the southern district and then being able to get modifications to the protective order. But we have at all times wanted to appear. I understand that you need to corroborate what the witnesses saying before you really bring on A. We still remain hopeful that somehow Mr Parnasse will be able to speak and be heard. Chuck mom ask you to weigh in on this. I actually have a few questions. I don't want to interrupt the flow about the proceedings in the southern district of New York. Work on I thank you for speaking with us. I really appreciate it. It's unusual as you know for a criminal. Defendant defendant somebody under indictment cooperate outside of the office. That has him under indictment. Yes it happens but it's unusual. It's highly unusual for someone to cooperate with an impeachment proceeding. We've only had three. Yes so I'm wondering. I not that you need the permission of the Southern District of New York but do you have a habit in order for him to be speaking with the house. Intelligence Committee and with the impeachment managers. No we don't I note that several days ago we moved to recuse the the Attorney General So we've actions. They moved. But we've asked William Bar to recuse himself and a lot of that emanates from what we believe to be some kind of a peculiar conflict conflict in twenty five years of practicing law. I find it very unusual for people in the southern district to not want to listen to Mr Parnassus narrative in whole and particularly about something so critically important I was thinking about that and I can think of obviously. I don't know what you can think of some reasons why they may not to one may not be valuable to may not be credible three they may not need it it's somewhat valuable or for there might be as you suggest something nothing else going on. There may be something else going on. There may be. I find live to be very credible and I I think we all do at this point him having been on interviews and and talked about evidence that has been corroborated in a number of respects. Everything that he's been saying has been born out to be true by detail text messages by by digital records by facts beyond change and it just doesn't make sense. The value of his evidence is pretty high your point earlier about him not needing all all that much help because the federal sentencing guidelines are relatively low rings true to me that said I've yet to defend in two dozen. Want some help and so is is nice. If you're being sentenced obviously hasn't been convicted yet. So you don't have to worry. About being sentenced at sensing to have a prosecutor stand up and say this gentleman was helpful. He did everything he could do. have an expectation that what Mr Ernest is doing in these other venues could earn him that consideration. Ed Sentence. That's a good question. Yes I do think. There's some pretty good precedent for people receiving what we call downward variances from the federal guidelines for their assistance to congressional inquiry glory. And if you look at what Mr Parnell's is doing. He's trying to provide information quickly about things that are of critical national importance at really great risk to himself and so our door is open with southern district and we're hopeful that at some point they will also be able to join us and be in a position to tell our judge that he's been cooperative operative. I understand that the Never interrupts no I understand that they have been permitted. This have they asked you to stop. Stop speaking speaking No not yet. Did they get mad at you about him during the media interviews. They gave US permission to travel to Anderson. Cooper's the studio we we had to seek a court you but he was got it but I don't I don't know if we could go to California but no they have not yet told us to stop. I'm going to interject here for a second because I want to tell folks at home that we now have not from Joe Bondi because he has been sitting here talking to us in this time and he he is not our source for this. ABC News has just posted the audio tape that we are describing here. And so we're going to take a quick break. We're GONNA come back and we're gonNA play for you. The portion of the tape which the president can be heard saying these things about the ambassador to Ukraine which has sort of turned this story on. Its head tonight. We've got that tape for you When we come back along with the man who absolutely did not provide it right back? Stay with us. We're back DOC. Once again at MSNBC special coverage of the impeachment trial of president trump say mentioned before the break we are covering this now rapidly developing story about an audiotape that has emerged today from August twentieth eighteen which president trump can be heard ordering the firing of Ambassador Maria von events which now this is of interest for a number of reasons number one love Parnis man who was involved in the Ukraine scheme which president was impeached has long said that the president at this meeting in April two thousand eighteen said in front of a room full of people that he wanted to fire Maria Vich now a tape has emerged. That appears corroborate that assertion from Mr Parnis. It's also interesting because Mr Parnassus has been indicted in the southern district of New York. He has said that he wants to cooperate. With the impeachment investigation estimation this tape was not reportedly made by Mr Parnasse but rather as one of his co-defendants Eager Freeman. ABC News was first to report on on the existence of the tape and having refers to report that they had reviewed it. They had heard it today. Since we've been talking about this tonight including love Parnassus attorney Joseph Joseph Bondy who was not a source for the ABC News Story who has since provided the tape to the House intelligence committee ABC News. While we have been speaking has has just published the audio. And so we've got. I think we will eventually have to clip the first clip. That we've got here goes right to this key. Point of president trump ordering the ousting of Ukraine. Rossiter Marie Ivanovich go ahead up the computer to get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow. I don't care get out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay do it Mr Bondi as we discussed earlier. It's hard for us to know who the president is directing that. Get out get her get her out to your client. Mr Parnasse doesn't believe that the president was telling him to get rid of Maria Voinovich she had just conveyed negative information about Maria Ivanov. It's the president. The president responded with this. Get rid of her death and he wasn't telling love Parnes together over now. I think he was telling John Distefano. WHO's in the room in assistant to the president? Time Don Jr. was in the room as well. There were a number of other people part of this could have been him projecting to the room. I think he was really speaking to his staff. There's one another portion of the tape. I'd like to play for you. Now which includes your client loved harness interacting with the President about this. I biggest problem there where we need to start as guard your best. Where is she still left over from the Clinton administration with your best Everybody he's GonNa give impeach. Just wait. Can I just ask the control room. There's a big loud beep in there. Is that because of an expletive or something else go something else happened there. Okay so you hear the beep. There doesn't necessarily really mean that somebody dropped an F bomb. We don't think that's what's going on there with that beep so again. ABC News just produced this material. You've heard us here on the air. Lobbying Mr Bondi to give us a copy of this day which he has rejected us in our in our asking but I think it's fair to expect that the House Intelligence Committee may make the whole. I think public now that you have given it to them. They've made less other public. Do you have any issue with anything that they have made. Public are not made public that you've handed to. I've been struck by the precision decision with which they've gone through a huge volume of material and really identified. Things are relevant and of critical importance. And they go right to the core of the issues been really impressed on the issue of what we learn from this tape beyond the credibility that bolsters in terms of your client there. Is this question of why left Parnis your client is bringing president trump adverse information about the ambassador at this time. This is not part of the Biden's game this precedes it. No you're right. But the their portions of the recording as well that involve the president saying. Tell me about Ukraine. What's going on in Ukraine and this generic piece of information that I think is being conveyed is certainly not being conveyed? Because he's being told to do so by some people in Ukraine and the other thing is not being not being at that time. No He's not got any of these types of relationships with people. Where would he be hearing this rumors about her behavior? Remember us with equal fruman and you can hear him on the recording. According as well eager has very very recent and deep ties and Ukraine. So That's information that is really known to Mr Fruman becomes known to Mr Par Awes- They speak not only about Ukraine. The ambassador when it's raised love tells me and tells everyone that he was incredibly surprised to hear the reaction of the president. This kind of embracing the idea that indeed the ambassador now needs to be gotten rid of so Mr Parnassus now says he doesn't believe that information was true he did believe it was true at the time he he apologized embassador Giovanni attorney harm that he may have caused her. He essentially regrets his role in this. But the way you're describing it. Sounds like his source for this information that he then turned into hold. The president in person at this event was his co defendant eager from it I believe so. Yeah Yeah and eager for men would have received what heard those rumors from Ukraine rather than cooking them up until training. I don't think he had an interest either. I think this was kind of Well known at the time that the master was probably not Favorably disposed the Donald Trump. That's when you say she talks about you. Being impeached reached widely discussed but not. Well I mean. Apparently this is a totally untrue assertion about her well perhaps it was. Yeah but maybe widely discussed needless to say. It wasn't some plot lot from Ukrainian people that was fed to live porn us. An effort to get rid of the ambassador. Sounds like it might be well. Uh I mean there's nobody involved in this story who has a reason to be spreading lies about Marie Ivanovich to try to get her out of post At this point in the plot that we understand. And but that's not the kind of statement would make that you'd expect. The chief of the United States started our chief executive would essentially respond to and say get rid of her fire. Fire her lobbying the president. If you take a look the biggest problem there I think where we need to start is we got to get rid of the ambassador. But here's the thing people lobby the president all the time about thousands of things and he doesn't listen so the notion that you say something to the president and he actually amplifies it embraces it and runs with it I mean I think that's a a lot to feel that they're carrying somebody's water. It feels like that the information that Ebor and love Are bringing to. The president is has been fed to them by people within the Ukraine that wanted to get rid of the ambassador because of her focus on corruption eruption. That's what it looks like from a distance or because of a personal ally. Unwittingly perhaps but it certainly looks like there. There was someone who wanted to get rid of her. It wasn't left left. Didn't have nowhere but somebody wanted to get rid of her. And that's the NUB of this issue who who wanted to get rid of her and what was their motive and used eager and left to convey that information right isn't instantly acted on. We don't know we don't know Oh and it may seem that way but there's really no evidence to support that my well. I'm just wondering if I'm on the on the other side of this fence because you you know know your enemy right so you think I mean I'm not calling anyone but if I'm sitting on a prosecutor side and I'm and one of the things I'm prosecuting fraud awed then my question is is is there anything that Love Parnasse has to worry about from an ambassador who is actively actively working to make sure there are prosecutions happening in Ukraine on corruption. And other would love not interested in getting rid of the ambassador. Well could someone make the argument when I'm really doing sank. Can someone make the argument that love Parnis or War Eagle or for men or both. Actually we're the ones who had some interest. Well I don't think they had an interest in removing the ambassador. They were talking about what what they had heard that had an interest in doing a liquefied natural gas deal but this was solid American policies since the Obama Administration his let us find a way to take American Ellen G and conveyor to Ukraine to diminish Russian dependence on gas. And so I think that's a pretty savvy idea and certainly consistent with American policy and the the thing that you get to the quickly is that the under the under the old regime under the very recently old regime in Ukraine the whole natural gas world the whole sector was set up in Russian interest that was set up by the Kremlin's man in Ukraine to benefit Russian interests in a way that was designed to keep Ukraine corrupt and dependent Ah had built in inefficiencies. That were there on purpose. Marie Ivanovich was part and parcel of the US playing a reformist role. They are and so to the extent that people were hoping to get in on the old fashioned kind of deals in terms of the way natural gas used to run in Ukraine Yvonna. Vich might have been a problem there and that that piece of IT NAFTA grass the other natural gas interests involved here Barista all of these companies in the reforming forming efforts of the US government policy including Joe Biden and Marie Ivanovich. End Up. Right in the crosshairs here I could go on. I wrote a book about it recently. Eh so I won't but it is. This is an important new chapter in this story. Mr Bondi thank you for being understand this. Thank you and thanks for letting US try to drag this out to you all right. We have much more ahead here tonight. We've actually got two presidential candidates standing by to talk with us stay with the. CBS News reported last night. That trump confidence said that the GOP senators were warned. Vote against your president. Vote against the president and your head will be on a pike. I don't know if that's true. Vote against the president and your head will be on a pike. I have to say when I read that and again. I don't know if that's true but when I read that I was struck by the irony by the irony. I I hope it's not true. I hope it's not true but I was struck by the irony of the idea when we're talking about a president who would make himself a monarch that whoever that was would use the terminology the penalty that was opposed by a monarch head on a pike late impeachment manager. Adam Schiff today making an interesting rhetorical and very pointed point there. That's what happens when you get this late into the night pointed points and everything Getting better all the time but there was actually a moment there. That was the first time that we've seen this at all during the impeachment trial. which is that? Apparently what happened. There is is that a member of the Senate said something to him when he was saying. I hope it's not true. I hope this report that the Republican Senators have been told their heads. Will Dan I if they vote against the president. I hope it's not true. A member of the Senate appears we here to say back to them that it's not true. And then he engages with that member of the Senate now senators not supposed to speak upon pain of imprisonment. This appears to have been at least one instance in which that was defied. We don't know exactly what happened there because the Senate TV cameras has Don't move to show what's happening at the senators desks but interesting moment in the Middle East proceedings today nonetheless joining us. Now is Senator Michael Michael Bennett Democrat of Colorado and a candidate for president and the Democratic Party Senator Bennett it is great to see you. Thank you so much for making time. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It is not the most important thing that happened today. But because you were there I have to ask you if I'm right that there was a member of the Senate who sort of shouted something to chairmanship at that moment. I think there were few who felt agreed that there were some implication that they were scared of Donald Trump or they're doing donald trump's bidding thing in. That's why they responded the way they did. Let me tell you why I'm aggrieved goes to the stuff you guys have been talking about tonight with this new tape when uh-huh standing in this building and thinking about what the logical the logical places. We may end up next week. We just had had a house investigation. There was forwarded by a president who claimed the broadest privilege that any president has ever claimed in American History Distri. He didn't turn over one piece of it and he didn't have one witness testified. Now we're having a Senate trial where there are no witnesses and there is no evidence and if this president is acquitted on this basis. This whole building will be rendered powerless for the future because any president that has peanut in the context of an impeachment or anything else can simply say. I won't do it because that's exactly. What Donald Trump has done? It would be better. If we had evidence and documents even in the end they voted to acquit. At least they could say we listened to the evidence we took in the the witnesses if they if they if they do it on this basis it means that president really can be a tyrant and we will have no role going forward and and in the chamber will be powerless senator. Do you feel that the Senate decision on that point as to whether or not they should get evidence they should hear from witnesses. Is it all being affected by the fact that you know on shows like this on nights like this in the middle of the trial. We're getting more evidence about the president's behavior made public absolutely should affected because the public is watching your show and other shows across the country. Probably not as many are watching other shows that are watching your show ago but they're watching and they're learning from it and I and I swear these people are going to have to go home and say I. President Trump stonewalled the house of Representatives and in a completely non historic with no precedent. And then you. The senators had the chance to listen to witnesses and listened to evidence and you chose chose to ignore that and then at the same time. All this evidence is coming out on your television sets very quickly that becomes an untenable position and frankly it should be in their interest to have this evidence because if if it exonerates the president then they're in a better position and if it indicts the president and they will not have voted to acquit him when he should have been indicted and ultimately the evidence is going to come out one way or another we probably they haven't come out in a way that doesn't destroy the the United States Congress that I think would be helpful to the American People Senator Lawrence and so Donald The Adam Schiff made a very important legal point in the middle of his argument tonight when he was talking about the possibility of subpoenas and obtaining more evidence he was countering a republican argument. That they've been making off stage that it would take too long. There would be too much of a delay. A there will be challenges to privileges that might be exercised like executive privilege and Adam Schiff said the chief justice of the United States sitting right there in that room in front of you all can instantaneously rule in that room on any privileges that might be exercised. What was your reaction to that? I thought it was very important. Because they have been saying that it would take too long and the reality is we're in a trial in the Senate the chief justice it is presiding and he can make those decisions in real time so that was important point for him to make the other thing. I think it's important for the audience to know. Is that this this truly is unprecedented. President trump has done here. Richard Nixon never did. Nobody else is ever done. Nobody's claiming this kind of privilege. They haven't said No. I'm just not going to send any any documents. I'm not going to send any witnesses at all I mean Nixon and Clinton both people testify and they both have lots of evidence in their cases. So okay I think both these points are really important for people to understand the see just how important it is for the Senate to to hear these witnesses and to hear the sevens. It's not because because the case isn't strong. It's it's a miracle they were able to put together the case they were able to put together with the president stonewalling them. It's because the case is strong strong that that we need to hear additional evidences as as Adam Schiff said today if you don't have the second article about obstruction you'll you'll never have the first article again because you need the second article on obstruction to make it clear. That presidents cannot stonewall the United States Congress the way Donald Trump has done it. Michael Bennett senator. From Colorado Twenty Twenty Democratic candidate for President Man who has a great opportunity cost in terms of his campaign for being at the Senate this week start. Thanks for taking time. We really were having all right. We've got much more including we're going to be speaking with one of Senator Bennett's rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination the nation. Lots more to come tonight states. There's a toxic mess at sixteen sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and I humbly suggest that it's our collective job on behalf of the American people to try to clean it up joining us. Now is Senator Amy. Klobuchar Democrat of Minnesota and a twenty twenty presidential essential candidate. Senator Club restarts great to see. Thank you for being with us after a long. So tomorrow starts the President's Council you've got a pre buttle tonight for you're from the lead impeachment manager Adam Schiff in terms of what he thinks you should expect. How are you going to approach this next phase? It's interesting need say that I was going to bring that up because there's no rebuttal opportunity. I think it was very important that he take on. Some of the things like We know already that they're gonna go after the whistleblower and so he was pointing out looking. I assure right near Senator Grassley who always believes in protecting whistleblowers He took took that on that. This person had every right to come forward and was very accurate in their account he took on this notion that this was just being done because people hate the president and he was pointing out our constitutional duty so I thought he did a good job tomorrow. they start their case and we really don't know what they're going to do. I have considered the last few few days That the house managers gave a dignified presentation. that they made their case and we will see what our Republican colleagues think I just keep looking over at them thinking as they look down at their shoes. You you ran for this office for reason and it wasn't just serve at the pleasure of the president. You are supposed to be a check and balance on the executive branch and you're supposed to do the bidding of the people that sent you to Washington those people wanna see witnesses and they wanNA. Let's see evidence and as I listened to the tape which was just chilling as someone who knows ambassador given Vich. Personally I think how can you not I want to get a deposition out of that. How can you not want to get the evidence? And that's what they're going to have to answer. After hearing the entire case over the next few days sooner Taser it's Lawrence O'Donnell up one of the things that you can expect because it's already happened is. It is entirely possible that the president's defense lawyers will say something that is probably untrue and probably air any have yes probably untrue by fax already established in that room the fact that the chief justice has heard and knows has anyone on the democratic side considered the possibility of objecting to any statement that they make that is factually untrue. A Senator Tom Harkin did get on his feet in the Clinton impeachment trial and offered an objection even though there's no provision for that in the rules and the chief justice actually sustained it But it sounds like if these lawyers can continue to do what they did before you might have an ongoing challenge there. Well obviously those things have been considered and discussed but I just. I'm not going to give away our whole strategy on TV and I think One we want to see what they do and two and then we will respond as appropriate. We're also spending a lot of time I did today preparing questions percents That will be given then to the house managers into the justice to get those questions to ask. So that's something that will happen after The president's lawyers put forward their case. Hey Amy playing off Lawrence's really good question about objecting if there is a noticeable falsehood a a what about a complaint to the Bar Rural free point three in the professional rules of responsibility. Talk about candor to the tribunal. No question if you look at the definition of a tribunal in those rules. This trial qualifies a so there would be a complaint that would lie against this lawyer for knowingly lying to the judge. Have you all discussed filing a complaint with the Bar Association in the District of Columbia. Anything is possible but again I think we want to give them that opportunity to make their case and as you know the initial remarks that they made aide were loud literally One of their lawyers. And let's see what they're gonNA do here but I am. I just my biggest focus right now is honestly on our colleagues and I thought that Adam shifts presentation was so moving as he talked about America. She deserves this trial. And I'm just looking over there for some kind of white smoke rings that they're going to be interested it and actually allowing these witnesses to come forward because history is going to as the house managers point out. I this all is is gonNA come out. More information is going to come out in that meeting with the president. We here right now. That's just the tip of the iceberg and for them to deny the public the access zest to that information. I think is just going to be something that they will never be able to get through even if they get through it electorally. I don't know how you get through it personally. Thanks senator on the point of that tape which you mentioned which we've been talking about tonight. This developing story this recording now released to the public from ABC News. Also we know released to the House Intelligence Committee by the lawyer for Love Parnasse. It does it. It is stark to hear the president. Saying what he says about Maria Ivanovich on that tape also also raises a lot of questions especially because of the timing and I wonder if you believe that this will inevitably become part of the discussion. I know that there is a formal set of evidence that was conveyed to the Senate in these arguments. Thus far we've seen all sorts of stuff referenced by the House impeachment managers. Here's the what's what are public. Understanding of the factual record here does sort of have a way of seeping into these proceedings. It does I hope it becomes part of it. I thought I of Nancy Z.. Pelosi's line all roads lead to Putin and I don't know why this president had its targets on this fine public service servant way back there but but it is absolutely no doubt she was a reformer. I had met with her several times. But when Senator McCain and Senator Graham and I went right after trump trump had gotten elected senator McCain plan that trip because he wanted to show the people of Ukraine and the people of several other Baltic nations That we stood with them and I remember her briefing us on the corruption issues in Ukraine and asking us to make the case within President in poor Shaneco I remember how much Senator McCain respected her And then to see here. This president's words You know take take her out. Get rid of her or what he had said to incoming presidents Alinsky. Things will happen to her. All I kept thinking about was her sitting with two thousand. This cold cold helicopter where we flew into the front line and they made us as a precaution. Put on these bulletproof vests and they were very cumbersome when you were smaller and she was helping me put it on and we got all outfitted on as did McCain and Lindsey Graham and then at the very end she said. Don't forget your mittens and gave me. She's just such got this stuff on and it's freezing cold and in a blizzard and she just says uses incredibly gracious person and to me. She is one person but as was said at the hearing today if he did that to her Someone who bravely served our country in Malaya and in Moscow and Ukraine. He could do it as he turned to the Republican senators to all of you and I think that really we get to the core of not. Just it's impeachment hearing but For me why I'm running for president. this is a decency check. This is patriotism chuck and what we spend a lot of times rightfully so debating the economic issues in our economic agenda for our Party. We have to remember those a lot of people out there who see this this president as not having the heart that America has Not Having the patriotism that America has and when we are at his best we are united and he is not that person. Senator Amy Klobuchar Democrat of Minnesota twenty two thousand presidential candidate. Thank you for your time tonight. It's great having back to Iowa tomorrow. Rates on would be thank you man. These presidential candidates are not going to sleep. I mean they never sleep otherwise but with this on top of it all right. We'll be right back. Stay with us to bring into the conversation now. Neal Katyal former acting solicitor general under president. Obama Mr Kochav Neil. Let's go to see it. Thanks for being with us here tonight. Thank you so I wanted to have a conversation with you and Chuck and Maya actually because our lawyers on the panel have been talking with us about actually Claire. Your lawyer to you. Are the senator thing shot on TV. We've been talking about the impact not only of what happened today in the impeachment in trial nail but also this love Parnasse taped this eager fruman tape with the president in April two thousand eighteen talking about the ambassador just wonder what you think about this vis sort of landing in the middle of this legal proceeding in the middle of this trial. It's important both on a detail. Level Rachel and on a Meta level on a detailed level the tape explodes trump's claim. which is? Hey I never heard of this guy left Parnis here. He is like having dinner with him talking about how they Ukrainian ambassador should be fired and so on so so it undermines trump's credibility the explanation of his story but the more Meta issue to me is just as chuck and others can talk about this. We look look at the trajectory of an investigation. kind of what's the new evidence revealing and here the parnassus piece is like so much else that we've heard because each week we get new evidence and the evidence always points in the same direction. Trump's guilted never exonerates him in any way shape or form. And that's why the President I think in 'cause taken this unprecedented step of stonewalling Congress. which is what article is all about and why he's got these new executive privilege shenanigans that he's trying to work and work gone now that representative shift? I think exploded today. Yeah Hi Neal. It's Maya did you hear. And we have not authenticated this so just to put a big big big caveat in that but that section of the tape where Donald Trump asks about. How long Ukraine can last? How how do you see that Mr former solicitor general acting? How do you see that playing into the impeachment trial? It shows that the president was aware where a year and a half ago long time ago and two thousand eighteen in May that if again if authenticated that he knew how badly Ukraine you need this aid and it gave him the leverage that he saw it in order to get the announcement of an investigation into Joe Biden and nail to be clear that would Render more serious decision to cut off the aid because it would show that he personally. It wasn't just that any student of the situation would know that that was potentially a death knell for Ukraine but he personally knew it and articulated it in a conversation. We've got on tape. The plot was all set up a year and a half ago or more. If this tape is accurate cocktail tale former acting solicitor general under President Obama. Neil thank you for joining US late tonight. We really appreciate you being here. In terms of that last point I mean again. We should reiterate that we have heard portions of the state. ABC News has just released it. what this does in terms of the fight over whether or not these senators are going to critically engage with new evidence It's hard to see but boy. Does this change our understanding of what the the timeframe here and who may have been driving this bus of the shocking thing is Donald. Trump is being informed warned about Ukraine's military posture against Russia through these clowns at dinner at the trump hotel. His National Security Adviser is. You're supposed to have already told him this. Along with many other people remember these are the clowns he doesn't know six adhere on MSNBC to stay with us. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on the Sunday. Sit down. PODCAST I get together with. SNL Star. Eighty Brian to talk about her hilarious. Run on on Saturday night. Live and her breakout. Show Shrill. Get that conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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"Do you think it is appropriate for the president of the United States to solicit foreign interference in our political process. Yes of course no no it's absolutely not right see that right there you saw pretty easy second or Third Austin powers referring to Goldmember Joe Joe First of all I have a certain scenario splendor issues that he's pushing for the People Colorado but no I'm not going allowing do things it actually weaken American I'm not going to allow him to do things that no other commander so he should right right I mean sure he should know the answer I mean he's national security adviser and of course the answer to this very clear has always been the senators and it went on like that for four minutes is that okay the United States to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival yes or no look this is what we're going to get into the Senate Intelligence Committee is having an investigation of bipartisan investigation this question because it was a democrat that was thrown in no it's not about politics corey and you know it's I know listen unfortunately though what we've seen is very political process tickle put the question is is it appropriate for a president investigations can we can you guys zoom in and I'm going to ask Willie Zoom in on Donnie if you will does curious Willie I'm trying to figure out is this guy in character from the first just stop there's no extras going with the white collar thing like it's nineteen eighty six member of the billionaires boys club swell politically going voted they're going to get voted out of office so welcome to morning Joe it's Friday October eleventh along with Joe Willie and may we I know you're running in twenty twenty we understand that but the answer is no it's not appropriate is never done it's not right so let's see how Republican Senator Cory Gardner handled a narrowly which is interesting question do you believe it's appropriate to throw somebody in front of a buzz as it speeding down fifth avenue we're going to have an investigation it's become very political coming to your constituents hey I'm going to support this guy when he supports the people of Colorado I'm GonNa vote for this guy when he votes when he has the same it's been unambiguous and I'm sure there's nobody Mika on Capitol Hill that would have any problem answering that question testing MSNBC political analyst Robinson digging the white collar too supposed to be done this is black and white canvas no all right it's not that it's not that hard to tell you it's also not hard explain pointing to this since spring training and now it's here should be a great epoch season the one break the Yankees did get is that now those two ace pitchers Orlando and coal for the I don't like that mental image really like somebody else so okay can we do this I don't think you have to do that by the way just so you know many of our viewers out there and I'm not talking about overseas but domestic viewers stopped me and say Don Yeah I love the way Garrett Bowles too good the Astros Ace pitcher astros put four runs on the board in the first inning and it was going to be hard to climb out of that hole for the race they fought though they hung in for the whole game so the Astros the people toiling you're actually Donnie you don't need to do the apart last game doesn't incredible series but you got you got the cardinals coming through my gosh the poor underachieving an October dodgers win now and the inevitable is here Yankees Astros game one Saturday the two best teams in the American league all season long everybody had been sort of all closed out a really gutsy really impressive Tapa team last night great effort by the raise great season for the race Astros had to go deep into that previous series so we don't see them at least in game one so tell the two leagues the American League you actually have the Tony Martin. That's where I want to meet a person can't UNSEE it no no I've had a couple of melanomas this is true and so I do because it undermines this country it's very simple and they're going to pay to market down digging all pay for this do best teams possibly in all of baseball making it through in the National League you have to to underdogs I mean Atlanta had a great season this year we have Donnie town unusually what is this morning what does that look like our exciting for so many reasons but also you nats fans aren't especially bitter lot how exciting for you that Bryce Harper is in with this team can never be counted out You know down threes nothing down three one with with two in the eighth inning going in the eighth inning talk to white collar today opinion columnist and former senior adviser for the House oversight and government reform sorry things at home yet again but let but let me bring you gene Robinson because I think it's Fan I just have to say this lead to get into the Get in the first round of the playoffs and they lose and and this time they they broke through and boy what a what a breakthrough it was this team never snooze our marist poll fifty two percent of Americans said they approve of House Democrats impeachment inquiry into trump that's up three points Americans in this poll are divided forty eight to forty eight on whether they support the Senate voting to remove trump from office good lord four but yet another new poll shows a majority of Americans Support House Democrats impeachment inquiry into president trump according to a new and PR PBS why didn't Metropolitan Area and also that the monkey is off the back of the Washington nationals finally they you know they have great regular seasons usually impeached in the house convicted in the Senate and removed from office yeah this is staggering these questions show or making the leap not this is about the third or fourth poll I believe where half of Americans fifty percent of Americans soon a majority of Americans Support Donald Trump again at home it actually got hurt for them there's such a great team but we'll be beat them I was gene Gene Madison Avenue former Treasury official and morning Joe Economic Analysts Steve Rattner with best Shell Donny is known I was jealous talk baseball it took it took a while for order to be restored the universe but it was in fact restored the Houston Astros the best team in baseball since last month forty three percent disapprove forty nine percent said they support the impeachment of the president forty seven percent are opposed yeah that led to Donald Trump writing sort of break-up tweet with Fox News yesterday before perhaps getting back together with Fox News at his rally last night but he six percent say it's acceptable almost sixty percent say they do not trust the administration very much or at all forty percent say they do trust the administration off already to believe that Donald Trump should be removed from office forty eight percent say so yesterday we had the Fox News poll that showed fifty one percent of Americans supported that coming to us driving into work forty eight percent of Americans support Donald Trump being removed from office but Willie we're within the margin of error again many Kirk Gardella joins us this morning all right really quickly meek four we jump in so you WanNa talk baseball so let's just very briefly so the people speak Joe usually people speaking I'm a man of the two Fox News under the bus she throwing Republicans under the buzz he's throwing the Kurds under the buds and and wait for it wait for it when I go I say you know he's having problem with Republicans over the Kurds there seems to be sort of a real rift there he's sort of throwing Fox News under the bus he's throwing Rudy Giuliani under the bus you'll have to ask Rudy hey you got a buddy who's in jail right now who heard that right just have to ask Michael Cohen about that roll firm that's now it's the same group of people who were saying that only forty percent supported impeachment month or two ago but donny is thrown you support an impeachment inquiry we've seen support for that this question here the one on the screen you support the Senate voting to remove president trump from office in other words have you seen in I too I think Danny dresses I've had people stop me overseas and tell me you know as these polls especially the Fox News polls and there are enough of them now there's a critical mass of these polls that you can't dismiss any one or the other as an out wire sixty eight percent does not come forward it is such an obvious thing to sick right now you'll be American hero and you can say look I've supported the president's policies and it doesn't like data that comes from Fox News that actually it's polling that act this is a pollsters by the way liars going out yesterday going Oh there's now we're hearing you're gonNA have to ask Rudy we'll get to these stories but my God to of Rudy's associates who also were close to Donald Trump in jail okay that's little ESPN moment we've done nine minutes of that Mingka let's go to the new please go to the news ladele Fiat watching this bad just warms every hard in in in the the headline and that's critical for the Democrats and I want to also go back to one point you made earlier Joe I don't understand how somebody like Mitt Romney message the prison seeked foreign power to get dirt on his opponent at the expense of our national security and we can't still lose that one American said it's not acceptable for president to ask foreign countries to investigate his political rivals sixty eight percent that's the answer there you go that's the answer only twenty and now rudy is is having to face a pretty tough questions himself donald trump there isn't anybody is that one sentence strategy the board this thing airs out if you will in fans out you start to in a strange way gets worse but it also dilutes the simple one do you do have to bring people law it's not just start at zero one hundred miles an hour I know Romney to carry win three we throw his family under the bus and I don't say that we'll of course literally this is he will be the last man standing until they carry him out two points for by the way that was that was that was an espn explained to her okay all right let's go to news okay stop us if you've heard this and this is a special team so I watch out watch out for a really are they really hold on one second yeah that stepped out there about as strongly as is leaky can politically right now called the discussing I I don't know the exact words but it is it is taking so obvious what that's of course it's wrong I mean I don't think you get points for that at this point but to me he's the one guy that is bulletproof and what America's think what what Americans taken he stood up and said look this is not working this is not working people line up behind him Republicans would line up behind him a great or a good amount to forty percent are so anyway Donny Deutsch it seems that Donald Trump is it has it has no I mean in a more meaningful way to stand out so so when you when you want him to you so you want Mitt Romney Oh yes we're doing your thing is Danni here's the thing not everybody just has a constituency of the twelve or thirteen people Susan Collins and Joni Ernst are going to continue to come under pressure from their constituents Dan from reports we're going to keep asking the question over and over again for four minutes if necessary continue pressing and they're going to have to come up oh you gotta let me get it's all about pacing free let's try this again and you gotta feel really of the guys it's come forward Stan correct on a Mitt Romney but my point is even what you're saying it's wrong what is wrong with saying and he does not belong in office what is wrong with somebody is painful but I worked for the voters and I worked for the Constitution it astounds me as a brandon guy a guy who's managed people's Griffith that none of these people get that it's not even brave although the facts I mean just the objective truth is that Romney has gone further out than any other Republican senator at this point he just has he is that blow to Mitt Mitt his started now actually Abraham Lincoln at the beginning of the civil war not to get too deep here but at the beginning of the civil war where the president got out and shot a few things a little unbalanced George Conway said the husband of one of the until he knew he could get to emancipated so Mitt Romney is I think gene Robinson correct me if I'm wrong Mitt Romney once again it seems that the president of the United States is detached from reality and not well well consider what he's up against Rudy Giuliani I still keep on really but just keep those numbers up on the screen and if you're riding driving and bring the north along a said it was all about saving the Union we have to save the Union then eventually he moved when he thought people were ready then he kept moving that's the beginning of what I hope is is is the progression you talk about job but you know people like Cory Gardner and defined the dirt on the Biden's can we go back to the last picture that guy on the right He dresses like Danny but we look better answers than than guard then Gardner did look there the political reality is there still petrol they're still a two three four five six step process especially when you have people who support somebody you want the facts to do the talking and you fall view taw are really not trump is for probably they're conservatives Republicans but there he's probably the one who has the least we're not going to be showing that speech we actually think he would he would and I'm hoping that he can he can get some care and get some treatment because so that's the backdrop of this is he got questions on his way out of the White House about that who are these two guides that didn't really know them there might be a picture with me in them but I didn't really know them but the electrified of Donald Trump tweets storm and and Rodney is more immune to that than than most of them because the people of first of all I think it's important that the Democrats knew rudy story obviously there's so much to unpack there but the good news bad news as the Democrats continue to vote on his they still can't lose I haven't says they are the go-betweens there the answer the question of who may have been paying Giuliani to fly all over the country there were connections and you could get in touch with the people due to his buddies businessmen were arrested there were walking onto a plane bound for Europe intercepted on the jetway and brought back in arrested they to worry about from his Republican constituents all right Willie Ohio which is really quickly to Willie there was an event last night Willie so you know slavery if I can save the Union and we can keep slavery then let's keep slavery he really believe that but he knew he had overnight the fire conditions in California were very dangerous going into the night and about midnight a new fire has formed this is near Porter Ranch California went from zero it's top aides it said he appeared to have severe personality disorders that were on full display out of respect to the family and his loved ones unhinged and desperate he's just saying stuff and flailing out in ways that are even more crazy than what he normally does and the stuff he said about the Bible is the word yeah but I needed to say say for your AARP or call Meco snooze yeah it's all pretty really disturbing stuff okay we're gonNA actually get to the Giuliani story after Tom Winter NBC evacuated. I've seen pictures of homes that have been burned and this is not too far away from Los Angeles the Burbank area and just to the north of their up interstate five and batting is known only by his first name but ten minutes that followed that about you wanna share chart fun fact to spring tanned the ranch the fires burning in this general direction and the worried about Chatsworth is the next area the next town and neighborhood that could head to red flag warnings root for the dates as somebody says it's wrong leaders go further than that I don't agree with you I think Mitt Romney stood up and said look we need to start to really think where we're I'll see our to foreign born associates of Rudy Giuliani are facing criminal charges after being arrested while trying to leave the you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text. MSNBC two six six eight six six to subscribe tells inside Federal Court Rudy Giuliani's inside men in Ukraine who had been helping him dig up dirt on Joe Biden there now it come out and and you know any uses the the the the end free words right it deeply disturbing and appalling and that sort of downtown Los Angeles and this is the Burbank area this is North Ridge and this is where the fire is this is the mandatory evacuation order for thirty thousand people in eight five is closed along with highway one eighteen the fires just to close by to those areas and at one point the fire actually jumped interstate five so let me show you the maps here here's when he's saying that what the president's done is wrong despicable you want him carrying a blow torch straighten anybody out what you want don he'll do I the indictment and asked for help getting rid of the US ambassador to Ukraine Maria Ianovich a letter obtained by NBC News shows sessions in two thousand eighteen the extremely windy as we go throughout the morning it will die off a little bit this afternoon then flare up later on this evening so updates on that but again there have been homes that have been burned ask the secretary of state to consider terminating her ambassadorship citing concrete evidence from to close companions that ambassador Yvonna Vich had spoken behavior deliberate lawbreaking in one example Parnasse and Eager Fruman donated more than they were allowed to to now former Congressman Pete sessions according to separate case the pair is being charged with breaking campaign finance laws here by allegedly trying to funnel foreign money into elections to buy potential influence with the Kennedy for I wanted to go far look because I did see a good bit of that rally last night and I don't think we should show it but you know for the reasons you said Willie you get the feeling that guy is kind of entry they are accused of trying to influence U. S. politics with illegal campaign contributions NBC News Chief White House correspondent Halley Jackson has the privately and repeatedly about her disdain for the current administration sessions in a statement says his motivation for that letter was that political appointees should not be dispelled people have been evacuated and lost their properties another bad bad fire in California so we'll continue be updates throughout the show here throughout day here on MSNBC stay tuned more morning Joe when we hundred twenty five thousand dollars in donations to a pro-trump SUPERPAC which says that money's in a segregated account while the legal battle unfolds the pairs attorney is comeback. Hi It's Katy Tur WanNA keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the NBC daily newsletter you'll get the best Tom Winter is gonNA join us as well as Dave Ehrenberg so we'll have that after the break but first let's turn to build Karen's with a look at severe weather bill breaking news let's campaigns and the candidates governments the two arrested at Dulles airport after buying a one way ticket out of the country prosecutors say this investigation is about corrupt percent containment which is still is at up to about four thousand five hundred acres in just the last couple of hours I mean we've had rapid fire growth we have over thirty thousand thing is a country and about this man's leadership I do not think to your point earlier I think people with lineup behind him that's what leaders okay said my piece okay and I'm not GonNa wear not commenting the president conversations have you had with Lev Parties and Gore proven those gentlemen dollars possible I have a picture with them because during the president adding he will vigorously defend himself against any allegations of wrongdoing the indictment reveals parts and from and also disguise the source of three is just an absolutely not crystal clear answer from former trump national security adviser h r McMaster he knows the answer autumn of your life I think is nicely you mocking cancer Joe I talked about I think the US by bring yeah it's not fun so then years later we finally get out of Turkey but we'll talk about that long story that's that's making me sad I just WanNa say can I go back to receive the the Romney thing I think we're just thirty six I think we're setting a very working their their upper east side mansion like you Joe Riley Johnny no no what has voters now just saying okay yeah I didn't Mark Cancer we he'd be nut free and he was making fun you were talking about your girlfriend melanoma just for the tweet people not my country but I do want to go back seriously and I say to you really have very very quickly to have been very quickly we're setting where we go you and I tell you let's go to the school yard because you could go in hard today covered by the way I love the leaves behind you residents personal attorney telling NBC News. He can't comment yet but told The New York Times last month I referred the men to a campaign finance expert who pretty much resolved it house have a picture with everybody I have a picture with everybody here but somebody said there may be a picture or something where at a fundraiser or somewhere Giuliani the industry but they represented Ukrainian oligarch who is in the middle of the natural gas industry so it's a real dirty industry you've got Rudy Giuliani completely Dave Ehrenberg morning guys Tom let's start with you and just kind of help us cut through this throw out of new names new characters in this big Ukraine story why are they significant they were effectively because of their connections to Ukraine helping Giuliani get access inside Ukraine perhaps to find information about the Biden's for example I mean corrupt industry give us a time line for Giuliani trying to get involved in this industry trying to strike deals in Ukraine yes so joe this goes back within the last your apartment building your condo building your home they have a couple of different levels of or different layers I should say of people to get involved and they all take a little bit off the top and it can be deal with in Ukraine in the natural gas business which is one of the dirtiest businesses that there is in any country let alone in Ukraine it's a is an industry that is notorious for corruption is rife with Russian organized crime influences I mean that's the primary players in that people that are involved again as it relates to Rudy Giuliani trying to get information out of that country well I think it's really significant because you have a couple of people who in Rudy Giuliani said That that these his clients so you have rudy. Giuliani has definitive ties to these people and then as my colleagues Kim Delaney and Dan Lewis reported yesterday these are people that he tried to do a business stuck with these individuals and on top of that you have a federal investigation that's been going on for nearly two years now at least a year and a half according to our reporting so it's a significant case that's another huge part of this has nothing to do with the charges that were filed yesterday but this is absolutely something that's been talked about this is absolutely what has come up in the past and so it raises regular defenders of the President on TV I'm talking about Victoria tenzing and Joe Digenova they represent a diluted now outside of the natural gas treat a meaningful way or actually be involved with it there's been a lot of efforts over the past I would say you're a to to be able to get kind of these middlemen players nations yesterday the yesterday and the indictment you've got them accepting foreign money in putting that into the US election process is the indictment states there's no indication that the campaigns or that the Donald trump junior was a special guest and Arneses name was on some sort of special Donald trump junior executive steering committee whatever that means but yet era too so this is a this is a really recent effort in it's it's an effort that it's not clear that they actually were able to get engaged in this actually giving money to us then sitting US Congressman Pete sessions if you could give help us out you say there's a really dirty industry in that industry there's a lot of different companies that come in and they all take a little bit of a skin so we're here you may have a natural gas company and then somebody who distributes it to you know the pro-trump Super Pac that's received money here that they were aware of these efforts but they're definitely involved in influencing the twenty eighteen election in but yesterday I think the thing that struck me the most was the brevity of the press conference from the FBI and the US attorney it shows me that they didn't intend to have this indictment unsealed the questions if you have them at the center of of this ongoing Biden effort to find information in Ukraine and in the meantime you've got them accepting according to the allegation faster than even the federal prosecutors had intended you know Kurt you obviously did a lot of work on for Republicans on the oversight committee things are coming at Congress so quickly at the oversight committee so quickly you actually had the White House well there's always a Florida angle to everything Joe here these two guys live in south Florida they have a history of apple trade trump's circle because they spread around enough campaign cash and Doug enough dirt up about trump's enemies parnassus name appears on a couple of financial disputes and lawsuits Mr Parnell in particular has had nine different court judgements against him in the past fifteen years including two court ordered evictions and yet they were still able to very lucrative as you would imagine in a place like you so dave Ehrenberg there's a Florida angle the story you're telling me about what is it committee on petitions for Ron Santa's back in two thousand eighteen when he was running for governor and was elected with trump's endorsement what's interesting also is that at one of these high dollar events backing down yesterday now they're going to have their ambassador to the EU testify a backing down because they certainly see those impeachment numbers removal numbers going up but here soon but there were forced to because you've got these two suspects who were ready to board a flight to Vienna with one way tickets and also shows that this thing is going to keep unraveling a lot is yet another part of this Ukraine story how does Congress get to the get to the bottom of this especially with the White House it's not cooperative investigative outfitted as one of the largest staffs on Capitol Eighty people worked for the majority on the oversight committee most of them are investigators they're seasoned lawyer they know exactly how to conduct investigation like this and follow all of these threads the real challenge right now is so much information that's coming out so quickly and so many United States government and we're seeing now within just the trump administration this is bigger than anything anyone ever expected it goes from the White House to the State Department to the intelligence community to the Energy Secretary Rick Mary this is touching every corner of government and it's important reason why I think Democrats are doing a better job at coordinating with next week obviously the ambassadors coming in tomorrow or a Monday I believe so they're getting to get a lot of government career services officials who aren't necessarily does he face any possibilities here especially as it pertains to campaign finance and Ukraine Gate Meek I never thought that you don't have to well advised not to start testifying civil litigation Congress or whatever because it can compromise your criminal situation so who do you think there being for the removal of US Ambassador Marie Ivanovich exactly and that was a goal obviously if Rudy Giuliani we know that from the whistle blower and the text messages and everything else they were working hard foreign agents registration act which is what Paul Manafort pled guilty to you know it wasn't a good look for Giuliani to be seen in Washington DC according to reports tell you this is the reason why the oversight committee is structured the way that it is has very little jurisdiction in legislation it is a one handed single handed couldn't actually get to testify and obviously administration has staked out some ground there but then you for example have these two guys get indicted my understanding is when you are under indictment Johny could ultimately end up in prosecutions for violations of campaign finance laws the prosecutor said that the conspiracy investigation is ongoing and maybe even a violation of the I talked to Congress they've asked if they could submit written testimony rather than coming in in person because they're so concerned right now that the Republicans on the committee will do everything they can to out them effectively it'll bar lead department of Justice would ever prosecute the president's personal lawyer but after yesterday's actions by the Southern District of Newark I'm starting to believe that the cloud hanging over legal appointees who care more about the institution I think the biggest challenge is how to get some of these whistleblowers in in a way that doesn't compromise their identity the whistle blowers input their livelihood in danger and Dave Ehrenberg just finally how this all ties back these two arrests especially to Rudy Giuliani if the southern district of New York was the agency that ultimately took Giuliani down considering he used to run that agency as US attorney indeed the Giuliani of thirty years ago would probably that if lawyer George Conway appeared on Pre Ferrara's podcast and had this to say about the president can't take in host the ambassador in fact Jeff Bennett our White House correspondent reporting there's a possibility that she may quit her job at the State Department she's still employed there wanted to prosecute the Giuliani today so tom one of the other details in this twenty one page federal indictment yesterday says that Parnis and fruman were lobbed think that's that was very interesting yesterday so this is going all the way back to the Ukrainian government until the point that Dave was making when you look at the exposure potential criminal exposure for Rudy Giuliani is he doing the bidding of certain Ukrainian government officials that would lead to a violation of the foreign agents registration act and that's something that I think he has to ago with these two suspect just hours before they tried to flee the country with one way ticket Sabina and so we would be ironic if yeah it would be got direction from Ukrainian one or more Ukrainian government officials so the Korean government officials here are directing this effort to toss the ambassador he's consider at this point when he's looking at his own exposure to this case wow tom winter and Dave Berenberg you very much and then yesterday concerns Ernest checks and balances released a letter calling for an expeditious impeachment probe of president trump and joining us now one of the signatories characters keep being brought into this conversation that every time there's a new person that brought in they issue a subpoena they want documents so on any type of exchange that happened between those people in the a ladder accomplishes at this stage in the game and also do you guys take into consideration what Donald trump is just above the country's in almost any circumstance what I don't understand is you've got all these people yearly shifting uncomfortably in their seats when when they're faced with the things that Donald Trump says and does it's clear that they're not sure which way to go L. Congress that's pretty extraordinary one to your point to what was interesting is in yesterday's indictment that according to the allegations that both of these men Parnis in Fruman and if you're not sure which way to go one just do the right thing comes as the coalition of prominent Conservatives Conway leads set that appears to be a breach of trust perhaps even more that's right good morning I'm very excited to be here we're hoping with the letter will do to account the interest of the country can't take into account the interests of the constitution he can't take into account his duties and he puts his self his own interest get her out of there because they viewed her as an impediment to the things they wanted out of Ukraine namely dirt on the two thousand sixteen election Joe Biden she by the way is scheduled to be we're GONNA get to sit down there and tell their story well we're seeing right now they have the adviser that the rush trump's Russia adviser is going to be testifying including now with how Giuliani's associates or now implicated in a in a bigger plot to engage foreign that letter and a former law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Murray some Malik Mercer thank you very much for being on the show what do you feel asked The Ukrainian president to investigate a political rival and it does look like there was some quid pro quo that went into that where he president used his position to ask a foreign power to help him get political dirt on an opponent and use taxpayer money to do it. What's from your perspective as you talk that she can't testify because the White House could block her from testifying you know it was interesting to me yes not only she she possibly has to quit her job to be able to offer information that she wants stop the appropriation of money from Congress to go to Ukraine in exchange for investigations and the evidence that's coming out every day how Jane Robinson just one question argue in the other signatories are concerned about being sort of extra ostracized from the what we're seeing a coming out now especially as the investigation goes on with the new text messages from the ambassadors the president does seem other Republicans cover to actually start coming out and speaking out against the president so far the only one we've seen is Senator Romney he's the only one with any courage of conviction that saying officers and and other foreign governments investigate and interfere with our candidates it will only time will tell it there really connected but it but it seemingly is Tories do as well all right Marisa Malik we really appreciate your being on the show this morning about an expeditious impeachment investigation in your letter what's your justification for what's the specific violation you see that specific violations recite the Intel Committee for our fair city all working together pooling their human resources to try to catch every threat of this investigation but I think one of the questions is who the community and are you getting that sort of reaction from people who are who are not speaking out regarding some reaction to what the president is doing is wrong asking for a foreign leader to actually look into a political opponent really does rise to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor that end but I think for all of us it doesn't matter at some point you need to put your country about politics and I certainly feel that way now and the other he's from Cape Elizabeth Maine and other another town where willy-nilly spach couple of nights in jail it's a long story but it was eighty six later beautiful shot of the Capitol let me bring Donny Deutsch right here Danni again I gotta note from Kevin He's no it helps you with your kids you know it helps you with well every just thoughts on that yeah if I had a dollar for every time somebody stops me on the street fairly treated in many ways okay we have a very good relationship with Kurtz or we can mediate I hope we can mediate I mean it's actually paying off and people on the sand that's the stick I'm making you likable love how many times guys can the Saudi how many times in your life week just one night in jail and we actually trying to get the Bay city rollers back together we want them to play live on stage for the relaunch of Saturn Hodgson impeachable offense hey Mercedes Willie guys the way Nancy Pelosi has been laying out for the last couple of weeks when she came out and supported the inquiries that it was pretty cut and dried to her that the we beat him badly and decisively we have no soldiers the last thing I wanna do is bring thousands and thousands of soldiers in and defeat everybody again we've already done that so what we have is really two choices you have the choice of bringing in the military and defeating everybody again or you have the choice of from from the community from the from the Community of Republican the Republican legal community basically your conservative legal third world in disarray now in its fourteenth printing with a barbecue shots really more barbecue than foreign policy but shockingly ignorant of history history from like the nineteen forties of history three or four years ago let's bring in Richard Haass he is the I hope the last one of the three I hope it's going to be the last one look we have

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Former Ukraine ambassador: I felt threatened by Trump; Ex-Pompeo adviser contradicts Pompeo in testimony; Trump demands to learn whistleblower's identity as GOP's Grassley says "the law protects the whistleblower"

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Former Ukraine ambassador: I felt threatened by Trump; Ex-Pompeo adviser contradicts Pompeo in testimony; Trump demands to learn whistleblower's identity as GOP's Grassley says "the law protects the whistleblower"

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behind closed doors where's that she felt threatened by the president of the United States it's all in a trove of documents released by the House Intelligence Committee today according to the transcript of former ambassador Marie Novacek pitches testimony she was asked about what president trump met when he told the president of Ukraine that she was going to go through some things I don't know what it meant she told congressional investigators I was very concerned I still end did you feel threatened she was asked yes she response this is just part of what we're learning tonight from the just released transcripts of witness testimony in the House Intelligence Committee Ambassador Yovich telling lawmakers that Juliano's this plan to dig up dirt on trump's potential rivals dates back to almost a year ago that is win Devin Ovitz claimed she was told by Ukrainian that Giuliani had had quote plans and that they were gonna you know do things including to me do things was the United States ambassador to Ukraine threatened by trump's personal attorney woody Giuliani the transcript continues quote question to you avenue of it did you ever have any conversations after November December two thousand eighteen eighteen with Ukrainian officials about Mr Giuliani up until the time that you left in May Yep replies I think perhaps in the February time period we had I did where one of the senior Ukrainian officials was very concerned and told me I really needed to watch my back watch my back well the president even today was asked if he was targeting his then ambassador von of it's the target of a smear campaign by I really don't know where you look at the transcripts the president of Ukraine was not a fan of his trump says he didn't know her but that gives a completely false false impression of his involvement I mean that's just the bottom line here there's no other way to say it he knew plenty about her and he didn't Laker and at that same time when she was told to watch her back trump's closest allies the people who talking to him all the time we're launching all out public assault on which from Fox News Marie Ivanovich has has bad mouth the president of the United States to Ukrainian officials and has told them not to listen or worry about trump policy policy because he's going to be in Ivanovich saying it got so bad that she approached trump's major donor and handpicked ambassador of of the EU Gordon Somboon for advice and he told her again her words this is a pro straight from the transcript he said you know you need to go bigger go home you need to tweet out there that you support the president in other words do what trump says and tell the world that he's great now Ivanovich would not do that and trump did get rid of her Pamela Brown is traveling with the the president tonight out front live in Lexington Kentucky Pam how is the White House responding to the release of the transcripts the ones that we have thus far well so far era and the White House Dowd Blaine dismissing it saying how what does come out a lot of it is already known no big deal but we did learn a lot were this brand spreading that were released today as you pointed out where the former Ukrainian ambassador have felt threatened by what the president said on that call was the Linski that she was bad news for the president today repeating talking points he had said previously that it was president of Linski of Ukraine expressed concerns about the president trying to distance listens himself I paint he didn't really know her of course during that call was the president who brought her up she was bad news promptings Alinsky had to agree kirk but the White House expected the transcript released today and it was bracing for more to calm potentially more damning testimony to calm that would only corroborate operate the whistle blowers testimony and the by Rudy Giuliani In that shadow foreign policy campaign that was going on this transcript released today Erin also oh comes when four White House officials stonewalled and did not show up for their testimony despite subpoenas that is a thing you're gonNa see played out this week because we do expect to Oh embiid officials to top officials I won't be who were intricately involved in holding up in Ukraine aid to not show up for their testimony tomorrow Morrogh either of course for the president for the White House this is welcome because previously there had been some damning testimony from current and former administration officials shoals to the fact that you're now seeing White House officials stonewalling there's something is part of this White House Strategy Tanakh walk rate the big sticking point they keep pointing to that Administration administration officials can't be in during this testimony now all of this is happening there and now the president appears to be changing his tune on quid pro quo saying pain it's no big deal that did happen we'll have to wait to see what he says here during the rally in Kentucky Aaron Carre Thank you very much pam and front now Democratic Congressman Denny Hack who sits on the House Indulgence Committee appreciate your time so Ivanovich said when she was recalled you know told removed from her job she was told oh quote this is about your security you need to come home immediately get on a plane she was asked does that mean her physical security she was told I don't get that impression but you need to come home immediately what sort of security dea think they meant well was only left to conjecture to determine that Aaron I think it was Carol Peres that told her that and obviously ambassador Yvonna felt threatened and felt physically unsafe and who whitten especially when you read the president said in the phone call later that she would be going through some things that's obviously as as it were a pill form of witness intimidation is not surprising however this is the same guy who's probably engaged in the parallel of jury tampering by upping vary considerably his financial support of key Republican US senators who running for reelection he's trying to taint the jury pool as it were in the event event that articles of impeachment or voted out of committee and out of the House so now that the transcript is out there for the public to read do you want Ivanovich to testify publicly as well now that we've seen it was it was many hours right behind closed doors with you and your Republican colleagues we've all been able to read it do you want her publicly tell personally I would but frankly I don't think that's a decisive decision that shouldn't be made until we've had an opportunity to see just what exactly is the entire pool of people that have been able to be deposed is determined and we don't know that yet but I think she'd be a prime candidate but there will be others as well and that will decision in that decision will be made again after we've had an opportunity to look over all those that have come forward thus far and see who it is actually has the most materially significant good content offer right and some of these cases obviously we know a lot I mean we know it was in the opening statements we don't know the full back and forth questioning and I know that you're chairman German shift says or House Intelligence Committee Chairman Chef says the transcript of the Ukraine former special envoy Kurt Volker and the US ambassador to the U.. Gordon Zahn Linda the those are going to be released tomorrow. Ro Do you think when people chance to see those full transcripts and again we're talking with Volker right it was eight nine hours if I recall correctly but the releasing those tramps is going to change anyone's mind well I hope so because the fact of the matter is that in almost every material real instance every person who's come forward is corroborated what the others have said so there's a pretty high definition picture that has been brought into focus I'll these you you know frankly Erin I've been sitting here thinking it must be completely exhausting to be president trump to stand up and have to answer the questions about the content of this witness testimony money and basically to to mislead the American public so clearly in each and every regard and I look ahead at all of the other witness testimony that will be revealed Dr Hill Bill Ambassador Taylor and I could go on and on this guy is going to be completely exhausted when this is over with it would be so much simpler for if you were just to acknowledge the clear the truth of the fact so look you you said you need to know your witness pool before you know who could testify publicly obviously one key witness could be John Bolton and and we don't know whether I'll testify or not NBC News says it'll be willing to testify at the court orders his longtime deputy Charles Government to testify of course Kupperman is fighting it right filing a lawsuit determine mm-hmm and whether he has to testify and it's possible looks like now we may not get an answer on that from the courts until January so will you move forward with a full vote on articles of impeachment each mint without testimony from people like John Bolton who really was obviously at the core here of every other testimony we've gotten this far well that remains to be seen what we're not going to do we're not gonNA play rope a dope with the administration and they're continuing effort to withhold all the documentation that we have subpoenaed peanut and to instruct administration employees not come before us that's obstruction of Congress that to me is a tacit acknowledgement of guilt and will be included -cluded in any deliberation about whatever report we may submit to the Judiciary Committee when they get to the point of drafting articles of impeachment but just again as we've reminded the American public so how many times of obstruction of congress and abuse of power we're articles of impeachment in the last time before last we went through this and that was with President Nixon so so obviously the judiciary committee as you point out draft those former articles but the initial public hearings will be conducted by your committee the Intelligence Committee that's where we're all going to see them CBS is reporting tonight. Republicans are are thinking about moving an outspoken defender of the presence is close ally Congressman Jim Jordan temporarily to your committee so that he would be there to question what do you make of that of them transferring Jim Jordan to the intelligence committee temporarily so that he can be the lead could ask fat vote of no right sounds like a great big fat vote of no-confidence Endeavour Nunez to me that's the only way I can interpret that since Devin nunes has been the ranking member this last year and was chairman previous to that truth of the matter is and we we don't like to reveal too much about who comes in who goes in those closed sessions but I'll say this for Jim Jordan at least he's been present all right well thank you very much China and I suppose your contract are you contracting that Devin Nunes specifically to you and the viewers to interpret yeah all right I appreciate your time as always congressman thank you next Mike Pompeo's former adviser says he pushed the Secretary of state issued a statement in support of Ambassador Cavani Vich so why did pay just something different post trump and his allies one out the whistle blower and are saying something untrue about that person in the process plus top Democratic Congressman Jim Clyburn says people to judge sexuality is an issue for some African American voters why hey guys this is connor rogers I live in active lifestyle with tons of travel during football season constantly on the go I can't sacrifice style for comfort and thanks Amac well no I don't have to anymore I'm sure you guys can't stand shopping but it's easy and takes no time to place an order on their website the underwear shirts and sweats sweats are all perfect for workouts or when you're on the move this is the most comfortable clothing iron making it hard to go back to anything else and if you think I'm lying give it a try you you can keep the first pair of underwear and they'll still refund you no questions asked for twenty percent off your first order visit Mac Weldon Dot Com and enter Promo Oh Code Warner W. 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CNN Breaking News Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's former senior advisor tried and failed on multiple occasions to get him to show support for then US ambassador to Ukraine Ryava Novic as team trump was trying to undermine her Michael McKinley testifying during his impeachment deposition that he told pump peyot quote wouldn't it be good to put out a statement on Yovich since my impression is the department you know at least tried to keep her in Ukraine when asked what was was his response about Pompeo McKinley responded he listened that was it sort of thank you that was the limit of the conversation well the issue according to Mckinley a came up two other times including McKinley went and spoke to Pompeo to resigned from his post McKinley testified that he again brought up the State Department publicly backing in Ovid's quote I was pretty direct I said you know the situation isn't acceptable so those are very direct right this is what he's testifying under oath to this is what Pompeo said when he asked about whether McKinley approached him about publicly backing Ivanovich sounds so strange from the time that embassador bitch got a bitch departed Ukraine until the time that he came to tell me that he was departing I never heard him say a single thing about his concerns with respect to the grass ask not once not once George did Ambassador Mckinley say something to me during that entire time period you were never asked to put out a statement in support of Ambassador Environment Ivanovich Vich George Again I'm not GonNa talk about private conversations that I had with my most trusted advisers right now chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News Michael Sakaf Sophia Nelson who was the GOP counsel for the House Oversight Committee during Clinton's impeachment and former assistant director for the FBI Greg Brower And former Republican state senator in Nevada Michael Okay you you see McKinley testimony and then Pompeo is specifying you know a certain date right certain period during which he says that this conversation did not occur and then when George Stephanopoulos says well did it ever occur he says well I don't want to talk about my conversations was pompeo being less than forthcoming wing in that interview by trying to be so specific about the date and not answer the actual question will you can't get a sharper contradiction between what ambassador McKinley testified under growth and what Secretary Pompeo was saying on TV to George Stephanopoulos I think this is going to make it pretty difficult for pompeo to avoid saying Moore including either if not testifying before the House Committee is Pretty Clear Lear that no administration senior administration officials are going to do that but it's also pretty clear president trump is going to be impeached and there will be a trial in the Senate what happens if Secretary Pompeo is called to testify as a witness in that trial after a embassador McKinley gives his testimony about three times going to the secretary telling him what the situation was unacceptable the treatment dove ambassador which was was out of bounds and Pompeo saying nothing I think that's GonNa make it really interesting and particularly you know it's is going to be there's GonNa be some tough decisions that Pompeo and Chief Justice Roberts who will preside over this trial are going to ah go to be making so look this is far from the first time that Pompeo has dodged questions on Ukraine or given these answers that are very specific but non non direct right and completely we avoid the point here he is being asked what he did with the cable that Bill Taylor who was the top American diplomat to Ukraine testified that he sent to pump right Bill Taylor said I was in Kiev John Bolton said you know what send it send capable of Pompeo with all of your concerns about the Ad Ukraine being held up and Taylor testifies that he did it and he gives it to Pompeii Oh and then Pompeii was asked about it. Here's what he says what did you do with that Kim am I can talk about the inquiry this so did you relate his concerns to the president look I I came here today to talk about workforce development came here to talk about the great things that are going on here in Kansas. Gregoire you think Pompeo is acting like this and not sharing what he knows well earned I think either the secretary was not in the loop on this what you might call a unholy effort to shake down the Ukrainians or he was in the loop and obviously can't disclose disclosed that because it either either scenario is is a bad one for him and so it's it's hard to tell exactly what he knows he may have been out of the loop on this but either way it's not a good look for the secretary so you know now we're starting to get these transcripts we got a couple today we're going to get more tomorrow and by the way you have more stonewalling stonewalling from the administration so we may never hear from John Bolton before impeachment voter all this is going to get push well into next year does it lessen the impact if these witnesses are called back doc for these public hearings when we've already seen the transcripts the opening statements and all this information is out there not at all I think it actually heightens the awareness of the public I mean think about what happened in the lead up to the Muller report we knew what it said we have the summaries but when Bob Muller finally testified we all were riveted in looking at our television sets and we didn't want to move I think that you have a similar effect here I think given would be an interesting and compelling witness to hear from as has would-be McKinley I mean but I agree with Michael and your other guests that this is a really difficult situation for the administration and the secretary of State in particular they keep digging in deeper and deeper somebody's lying here let's just put that on the table somebody's lying and I'd like to believe the guy that's under oath under penalty of perjury injury who left of his own free volition left the State Department probably isn't the one line so I think that creates a problem and I think that what Congress is trying to do air into three committees judiciary government oversight into are working together to release this information in the interim where as you know the witnesses that they're trying to call and compel will not come up up to the hill which is to me obstruction of Congress and ought to be dealt with immediately they ought to send somebody after those folks that are not coming in testified so you know when you look at the perspective of what was going on with all of this though Michael Win Ivanovich was asked about her conversations with Ukrainian officials about Giuliani she recalls a conversation with one official who was was very concerned about Giuliani's efforts along with his associates he was working right with these guys who now have been arrested right and she testifies Michael quote he basically sat adding went into some detail but there were two individuals from Florida Mr Parnell and Mr Ferman who were working with Mayor Giuliani and that they had set up the meetings or Mr Sure Giuliani and that they were interested in having a different ambassador post I guess because they wanted to have business dealings in Ukraine or additional business dealings Michael it does open up the question of whether and I it what's your take on this this is Rudy Giuliani all trying to make a lot of money and then he dangles the Joe Biden investigation in front of trump who gets fully on board but this is this is Rudy Giuliani's deal yeah I mean look here you have the ambassador career diplomat trying in to do her job you know serving American national security interests in Ukraine and learning that she's being undercut by you know the the president's personal lawyer dealing with these you know business guys who are working for business deal and a centrally undercutting everything she's doing as the ambassador it was an untenable situation that she was in she's also you know here's from one of the senior Ukrainian officials telling her she has to watch her back because that Giuliani was going to that senior Ukrainian official badmouthing living the ambassador I mean this is ambassador McKinley said in his testimony that he had never seen anything like this in thirty seven years years of service I think that's a pretty striking point all of you stay with me because the other thing going on right now and unprecedented is trump's pushed out the whistle blower I think that the whistle blower gave a lot of false information and you have to see who the whistle blower is plus you're screwing around with the wrong guy that's a quote from a billionaire investor in a battle with Elizabeth Warren why eh on Saturday November night Jon Moxley Frizz Keti Omega Kobe versus Chris Jericho for the e w world championship fooling the wrestling presents full gear by now or the our lives that's the end of the morning dragon experiment are you going to sleigh first off I'm always sleet queen secondly yes brick and mortar five all new episodes premiering Sunday November ten only on adult swim raking news president trump ignoring top republican by continuing to demand the identity of the Ukraine whistle blower I think the whistle blower gave a lot of false information and you have to see who the whistle blower is and the whistle blowing seems to have disappeared so we keep saying this and then his his comments coming just hours after Senator Chuck Grassley the Chairman of the Senate Whistle Blower Protection Caucus very influential influential longtime Republican obviously in the Senate told CNN quote the Law protects the whistle blower I want maximum protection for whistleblowers. Everyone is back with me I mean Greg look trump is not letting up with demand out the whistle blower reveal this person's identity do you think he's going to end up getting what he wants I'm not sure if if you will or not but I would submit that he's completely wrong about all of this there's no evidence whatsoever that the whistle blower has given any kind of false evidence or or has been wrong about what has been reported in fact the evidence suggests that virtually everything the whistle blower initially really reported has been corroborated and at this point the identity of the whistle blower is is entirely irrelevant and so getting testimony from the whistle blower just we'll add nothing to to this investigation and it's just again it's the president's way of of attacking those who are on the other other side of him whether it's F. B. I. Agents Prosecutors special counsels and now the whistle blower so I want to get to the facts the whistle learn a moment 'cause you raise a really important point Sophia I what does it say I mean I'm talking about Chuck Grassley I mean a very senior decades long right member of the Senate senior Republican making making it clear that what trump is doing is not acceptable and not okay and finally speaking out today what what is that well Chuck Grassley was chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee see for a very long time of course he's GonNa pull the whistle blower act of Nineteen eighty-nine This is inappropriate it is intimidation the only reason the president wants this person's persons name leaked and their identity outed Aaron is so he can intimidate them and harassed them on twitter with the name attach more importantly let me be clear congress dating dating back to seventeen seventy seven the continental congress passed whistleblower protections dealing with the navy case where a commander had done something wrong long someone told it and the attorney's fees were paid Congress honored this dating back to our founding that's how important whistle blower protections are no this I should not be outed ever ever ever and the president is out of control and out of order this is illegal he's harassing person Michael on that front you know the the President you know saying look that the identity needs to be out there of this person and this person does not deserve to be protected he has done it again and again referenced it but I just want everyone to understand why I'm saying ah the whistle blower should be revealed because the whistle blower gave Fulton we have to protect somebody gave a totally false ACC- account of my conversation I don't know you tell me the whistle blower got it all wrong who's the whistle blower who's the whistle blower our who is the whistle blower we have to know and then he said is the whistle blower spy in a moment I'm going to tackle the facts because as Greg said the facts zero what the whistle blower said is true but but Michael do you think that this could become part of impeachment articles against President Trump and in that vein what do you read into Senator Grassley Really senior Republican standing up to the president on this issue well look it's significant to have any Senate Republicans standing up to the president so you know I think that's that's something worth watching whether that's going to tell us anything more about where Grassley comes down I don't know you know there is you know a clear flavor of witness intimidation there and the way the president is talking about it and and and his his arguments would be a lot stronger. If in fact the whistle blower had gotten something wrong but for Mojo we can see he hadn't that said I will will not be surprised if during the public hearings or during the trial one of the president's defenders Just drops the name of the whistle blower Ah that seems almost inevitable to me and I think at the end of the day when this is over I think we probably will know the whistle so blowers name histories get written of this he did play an important role and people will WanNa know who that person you know when the whistleblower got it all wrong obviously whistleblower didn't right trump Ukraine's president to investigate the Biden's true work with thirty Guiliani to do so true and of course trump's trump's own handpicked inspector general Thought thought this was urgent and credible so none of this whistleblower is is false adds up but but the whistle blowers attorneys have said look they'll answer answer written questions and Greg the president of the United States is this is just unacceptable written answers not acceptable he tweeted he must be brought forward to testify that's trump's trump's tweet today yet in the report we see the President what say fifteen to twenty times he doesn't recall all in written responses so is fine for him and but not fine for the whistle blower yeah there it goes again but but again I I would submit that the whistleblower at this point is entirely the era element this this would be like if I could draw an analogy if I had a neighbor who I knew to be a convicted felon and yet I witnessed that this neighbor had stored in his this garage a stockpile of firearms and I called the police and gave an anonymous tip about that fact and then the police came out and investigated and found that this convicted felon did in fact have a have a stockpile of firearms the fact that I was the initial tipster would be completely irrelevant because the the police upon their investigation did find this convicted felon in possession of the firearms. It's no different here because what the whistle blower reported has essentially been corroborated in every meaningful way who he is and what he said initially and how he said it is irrelevant as you all are nodding Wall said there Greg thank you all very much appreciate your time tonight and next half of Americans want the president to be impeached the other half don't so what do voters in this swing district district say it's horrible horrible what took president's doing a great job what they think matters Plus Elizabeth Warren takes on Wall Street and now Wall Street is fighting back in a big way Hey Howard Beck and I've got Chicago Bulls Insider Casey Casey Johnson on bleacher reports full forty eight for nineteen year old kid he's to me way pass for I thought he would be so I'm buying all the Kobe white stock the full forty eight is available each week on the bleacher report F. and you can subscribe for free at Apple podcasts. Tuesday's TBS finally stopped breastfeeding tacky when they stars of Impractical jokers join host Yamuna Djamil has had to have turned by day milk the laughs contestants can make a fortune of other people's Misfortune TV's funniest game show is on tbs stay exactly in public as e- ever lose as your lipstick and watch the misery index a new game show Tuesdays at ten thirty on TBS tonight president trump railing against the impeachment process it says tweeting all time high for stock market and all the fake news wants to talk about the impeachment hoax the big question is whether that message will work with swing voters Jason Carroll is out front picturesque small towns affluent suburbs and overwhelmingly White Michigan's eleventh is a congressional little district carved out of an area just north west of Detroit won the state of Michigan have two decades it's also a district that voted for trump in two thousand sixteen Hayley Hayley Stevens the Democrats and flipped and elected a democratic congresswoman Lee Stevens in last year's midterms it's a swing district in a swing state so so no surprise voters split on the impeachment inquiry I think it's a sham okay I think the president will it's horrible yes horrible what the president's doing a great job in Plymouth Michigan Rita dumbing of former autoworker proudly shows her support for trump under Ford pickup truck Brooke Women in Michigan Love President Trump on celebrity truck women keep quit saying women are not for trump to about to kneel a marketing director who says the inquiry is long overdue. I think it's heading in the right direction finally the impeachment I I think we're getting the evidence we need and I you know I hope he gets what's come into on ups workers Steven Play says it's the Democrats who deserve to have what's coming into them he says for undermining a president who has done so well on the economy look at the real estate I mean house goes on a market it's gone in a week ah I mean the economy is booming. Since trump selection the state's unemployment rate has dropped nearly one point she noted he narrowly won Michigan in two thousand sixteen gene by just over ten thousand votes after Obama won it twice he needs to face consequences for his actions Christine Williams is a small business owner who supports the inquiry she says it's about more than just the bottom line I think it's important that the inquiry be going on I also think it's important that we and not be distracted by it and that there's actually governance going on as well to about thirty miles northeast of Plymouth in the upscale suburb of Birmingham former Marine Leann Paul Kane also supports the inquiry to find myself in left to right wing and more middle of the Road Cain says he's upset over how the president and his allies have criticized decorated war veteran and White House official Lieutenant Colonel Allen Sandra VIN which is totally James Mellstrom Trim a financial advisor could not disagree more I think that the Democrats are really just trying to overturn the results from two thousand sixteen and I think it's GonNa fail miserably Mellstrom also says newly elected Democratic Congresswoman Hayley Stevens will pay a political price for supporting the inquiry so much division vision but that doesn't mean those who may disagree cannot be friends all of you fifty you've been friends since grade school and you can all talk politics absolutely absolutely even after we have a couple drinks this group celebrating their lifelong friendship and their differences the country we've forgotten forgotten that we're all the same on some level political divisiveness isn't what is going to further this country we have to act on a common ground so the people that we found Erin pretty put evenly split but here's one area where both sides can agree and that's everyone on that we talked to seems to have a difficult time understanding how the whole impeachment process works how long it will take and then at the end of the day whatever the result is if the country country will end up being even more divided Aaron all right thank you very much Jason and obviously with all that confusion shared by many even in Washington on the timing and and a programming note I'll be hosting a CNN presidential town hall with Joe Biden next Monday at nine o'clock eastern and hope you'll join us then next Congressman Jim Clyburn speaks to CNN about Pete Buddha the judges sexuality are you saying for older African Americans it is an issue. There's no question about that plus Jeannie Moos on trump's Khalifa how it turned out to be quite the moneymaker Wednesdays on TNT take all the lead wrestling hits harder flies higher and bricks all boundaries is all the lead Wesley a a new League Wednesdays at eight on TNT. Hi Everyone Poppy Harlow here on this week's episode of boss files Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith argues technology is both a tool and a weapon he joins me to talk about what he learned from Microsoft's years long antitrust battle with the US government as is big tech companies today find themselves in the midst of sweeping antitrust probe he makes the case for National Privacy Regulation it's fascinating into here his teeth they'll check it out subscribing to boss today tonight screwing around with the wrong guy that's a quote that's billionaire investor Leon Cooperman's message to Elizabeth Warren the two have been fighting it out over her plans to tax the richest in this country. Here's here's COOPERMAN's latest shot at Warren the idea vilifying wealthy people is so bogus you know they're appealing into the to the to the masses every billionaire I know made their billions by providing a productive useful service or product then they take that have money and they give it back to society and Warren and Sanders are basically trying to make bogeymen at of wealthy people it's counterproductive wrong aisle right now twenty twenty presidential candidate Senator Cory Booker so senator this is a you represent New Jersey a lot of tax revenue in that state obviously comes from the people who work on Wall Street people like Leon Cooperman Worn Zander's making boogeyman vilifying the wealthy as he describes it and is that wrong looked I I I ran a city that was during the recession that was a massive crisis and we had to figure out a way to solve our budget woes but also grow out of the problem so we do things very business minded how do I start more entrepreneurs here how do I attract businesses to my city but also how do I meet the urgent needs and it was finding that balance there is no you've worked with people like Mark Zuckerberg you've worked with bill they're both cooperman thank and so my this is my point we are in a nation that has a tax system that does not reflect our values things like carried interest are just wrong and I have different ways of going about Warren which I think are much better and unproven but I will find a way to make sure that we have just taxes but this is something I also believe if you and I were in my neighborhood doing this interview and I walked around and took you to some of the black entrepreneurs mostly women that we got started and businesses they'll tell you I want to be a millionaire and so we need to be the party that has just taxation but also oh grows the pie and has a vision for people who want to be entrepreneurs because this scary thing new business starts in our country are going down we're seeing these massive corporations create environments where we can't start entrepreneurialism I want the Democratic Party if I'm the leader we're going to be the party of entrepreneurialism the Party of Biz small business growth we're going to be the part of the it's more pathways especially to the fastest

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"What did you discuss with aren't well? I don't even know because I don't I've never met that part and like I filed in federal court. And so you know. It's a great question because many people WanNa know including myself. I just didn't know the name. This name Parnasse so you know what I always like to remind people as you know. We are dealing with people every day. We're an oversight committee so we have incoming calls that come to my office to my cellphone etc etc and then you know now how that he had called my cell phone and I didn't know his name removed the name good morning and welcome to. Am Joy well. It turns out rudy. Giuliani associate partners doesn't just have an interview. He also has receipts and because of ranking member of the House. Intelligence Committee noon is Eh to quickly change course this week. After previously claiming he didn't know Lev- at all documents released Friday night by House. Democrats brought one of Nunez's staffers. A A guy named Derek Harvey deeper into the mix showing that he communicated extensively with life partners about Ukraine aid also in the newly released least evidence. What's at messages? Suggesting Congressional candidate Robert Hyde passed information about then Ukraine Ambassador Maria von riches whereabouts to to live partners information that he received from trump superfan named anthony. Calloway a whole new addition of course to this tangled cast of characters But what exactly do we know about Anthony to callaway. Well not much other than that. He's a Dutch citizen who takes frequent trips to Belgium and love trump initially to callaway halloway denied any involvement then told NBC News. That hide had asked him for information on your volume whereabouts but he declined saying I informed him him. It's against the law on Friday after the House released messages from callaway to hide about his movements to callaway change to food admitting in a statement to NBC News that he did send messages to hide about Yovany Mitch but he was not really surveilling her and it was all just quote so ridiculous banter. And here's another twist. The little we know of calloway comes from his friend and spokesperson. Karen Turk a conservative media commentator from Palm Beach who was just sentenced to a month in prison for stealing her elderly mother. Social Security checks perfect. Meanwhile the impeachment trial of Donald Trump charged right along Saturday night. The House impeachment manager submitted their trial brief to the Senate laying out their formal case or removing trump from office. And of course Donald Trump's team responded to the Senate summons typical trumpy fashion calling the impeachment Eastman charges unlawful and brazen joining me now is congresswoman. Terri Sewell. A member of the House. Intelligence Committee and Congressman School has also endorsed. Joe Biden for president. congressman. Thanks for being here and I want to start saying thank you. I want to start by playing some of your questioning of ambassador Senator Maria Ivanovich and this was during the impeachment inquiry. This is back in November. Take a listen you spoke about how your service is not just your own personal service. It affects your family and today we've seen you as this former ambassador. This thirty three year veteran Marin of the foreign service but I want to know about you personally and how this has affected you personally and your family. It's it's been difficult time. I mean I. I'm a private person. I don't want to put all that out there but it's been a very very difficult time. I mean there's a question as to why they've they've kind of campaign to get me out of Ukraine happened because all the president has to do is say he wants a different ambassador right. That was the question that I also had for for Rachel Maddow in her questioning Parnassus that Donald trump could have just fired the embassador but instead we have text messages like these between this Robert. Hi Guy who was a congressional candidate of Conn Anthony Kaluway saying things things like. Nothing has changed. She is still not moving the check again. Today it's confirm we have a person say I mean she's being surveilled rather than fired. Can you as a member of Congress understand any any reason why that would happen. No I can I wanna I just say thank you so much for allowing me to be to be on your show today in South Carolina Churches as we honor the celebration of Martin Luther King with Vice President Biden. I'm excited I think that Vice President Biden will be the perfect person to protect the legacy. Agassi that is Dr King and most importantly the legacy fed is my district where people thought died and bled for the right to vote. But you're absolutely right to be concerned about what's what's going on in the Senate. I think that the most important thing that we need to focus on is the fact that there is a lot more evidence that can come into play and we need to put the pressure where the pressure deserves to be on. And that's on Mitch. McConnell and the senators they can either show their loyalty to donald trump or they can show their loyalty to the constitution. And the American people you you know. Seventy one percent of the American people know that they want a fair trial and to get a fair trial. You have to have witnesses and documents. I think that everything that we've learned About about what's going on behind the scenes with ambassador Banovic Just goes to show that there's still more evidence that needs to be that needs to be gathered and we the American people deserve to have our Senate do its job and have a fair trial and we. We do know that we now have the State Department. Finally investigating after after Ukraine's it. They're also going to investigate whether or not the ambassador was surveilled Tormenting of her is this strange thing. The other sort of oddity here here is the potential somehow involvement of a member of Congress in this whole thing and that will be Devon Nunez is Here is left partners talking about your colleague on the House Until Committee Devin Nunes who's the ranking member by the way does it strike you as unusual or inappropriate that Devon Nunez would be one of the lead investigators into the scandal on the House Intelligence Committee. He's obviously the top Republican public on that committee. I was in shock when I was watching the hearings and when I saw Devon Avenue sitting up there and then this there was a picture where they're carvey was back over there sitting thing I text my attorney said. I can't believe this is happening. Because because they were involved in getting all this stuff on Biden Derek Harvie of course the AIDS Devonport is who is also now been. He's in this sort of trunk of documents and things that have left parts turned over as having had communications with left part as well in this attempt to investigate Joe Biden to find dirt on Joe Biden. Son Here's a photo. We'll play that later but the reality is Devin. Nunes is named by life partner is having been involved in his aid has been named. Are you concerned that Devin nunes is still will the ranking member of the Intel Committee House Intel Committee. And do you think he should be removed. You know joy. I am not going to comment on a sitting member of Congress especially colleague that sits on both committees that I said on. I can say that we're all should be concerned about the mounting evidence that still out there you know we impeach trump donald trump four weeks ago and in the last four weeks so much has come out that deserves to be vetted and deserves to come to to the light. I think that the American people deserve the truth and I think we should stay focused on demanding that the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell do his job the senators do their job. How can they do their job? When there's so many questions out there that needs to be vetted along with a whole bunch of other evidence has come up in the last four weeks and and so we? The American people must put the pressure on this president and the Republican senators to do their jobs. And you're supporting obviously as you mentioned. And as we mentioned at the top of the show Joe Biden former vice president Joe Biden for president. But are you concerned with this concerted effort to dig up dirt on him and his family. Emily that seems to have been ongoing. That seems to. We don't know how high it went but it seems to have gone right to the president of the United States that Joe Biden would woulda simply be subjected to the exact same election with foreign interference. That Hillary Clinton was and that there would be the same result. I think we all should be concerned about our foreign interference in our elections. And I think that it is the reason why I voted for impeachment. And the reason why I think so. Many of our colleagues felt like it was time to hold. The president. Accountable is because he actually put pressure on a foreign Foreign ally by withholding much needed aid for his own personal and political gain. The fact that he would use the office of president for his own personal gain should concern all of us. And I think that what we in the Biden camp as well as all of us as Americans should one is a fair election and week to ensure that we have a fair election. We have to make sure that we don't have foreign interference. I think that's why it's important that all of us continue to do our job as swiftly and quickly get this this trial on and make sure that it's a fair trial and let's get on with the business of of doing what the American people want us to do. which is to legislate and to you do? What's in their best interest? And when I think about elections security which is quite concerned to be folks in my district fought bled for the right to vote. We WanNa make sure that every every vote is counted. We WanNa make sure that this election is fair for all candidates involved and I think the best way to do that is for us to you know for the for the Congress to put our money where I'm a methodist so I'm just what I'm asking the really quickly and I we're out of time is is Joe Biden uniquely vulnerable here because he's the target target of this campaign is uniquely candidates. I think that I think that The fact that this president saw vest invest President Biden as a big threat. is is why he did all the things in an effort to get dirt on on on Vice President Biden but I think I think that we have to rise above this and show to the American people that he is the best candidate to beat the person who has put his own personal gain above above above the American people. I think that that's the case that we have to make to the American public and I do believe that President Vice President Biden is the best person to do that. All right. Well thank you very much for coming out and making that case auto metairie soul appreciate you thank you and have a great Dane. Joining me now is former Florida congressman Republican Carlos Carello and. Let's let's talk about life partners for a moment. I WANNA show you photo. This is a photo of Carlos Curbello with somebody. You will know well with you. I mean you Gil Carlos her belt with Le Parnasse with you. How well did you live partners? And what was his role in in politics in the state of Florida that you know of good morning morning joy so I love partners came to my office in the spring of two thousand eighteen. He was interested in cannabis reform legislation because apparently he was pursuing pursuing a license in the state of Nevada or wanting to engage in some kind of cannabis business so he came with Eager Fruman to my office on two occasions is to discuss that issue. Never did he discuss Ukraine with me so I had no idea that any of this was going on but I did get to know him a little bit and Mr Parnell was was very boastful about his close relationships with the president with the president's associates rudy. Giuliani and others He told me on one occasion that he would be having dinner with the president later that week of course at the time I didn't know that was true or not There are a lot of people who make all sorts of claims in politics but now as more and more information becomes available. I do realize that Yes Mr Parnell indeed was in this web of trump associates and apparently was very involved in this Ukraine pressure campaign. Let's play Adam Schiff Talking Robert Hi Robert. Hi by the way. Have you ever met Robert. So Robert Hyde was a congressional candidate is sort of want to be that was in the trump orbit to here. He is now accusing Congressman. Adam Schiff of planting this new character that we've learned up to Anthony to callaway just to try to mess with them and take a listen. I would like to shift put out the other guy I was talking to. That got him should put so. Why does everybody look and say? Hey Doug `Celui Halloween year. Whenever like his name is where's the governor of departments? Whatever he is as is honesty? I have no ties Ukraine. I don't even know if labs Ukrainian but he's the only one I know where new and I urge everybody looking Adam Schiff and asked him for the other side of those transcripts text messages from. What's out okay? We'll just in fairness lift play. Adam Schiff talking about this this cast of characters in his own right here he is just moments ago on ABC. Here's Adam Schiff. Wait is the fact with many of the people surrounding the president that they end up indicted. These are the people people that the president has chosen to work with. People like Michael Cohen. Like parnasse like so many others. Paul Manafort and these are people that do have information about the president's misconduct but right now George. We don't know what witnesses will be allowed and even if we'll be allowed witnesses we can't really make a determination on which witnesses will call in the absence of knowing whether the Senate will allow any at all of these are. Interestingly enough sort of Florida character parnassus Roger Stone these characters who wind up indicted wind up in trouble as Adam Schiff said. What do you make of that? Why do you think there is this nexus of this cast of people sort of swirling around Donald Trump swirling around Florida? Well the Florida Angle. I hope is is a just a coincidence. Joy being from the Miami area which by the way let is From from south Florida or lives in south Florida's well. I certainly hope it's nothing in the water down here but from what I can tell left. Parties is someone who probably accidentally ended up in this world and once he got. I didn't do it. He was consumed by it. He probably and I can tell from. Our conversations felt very important or privileged to be in contact with all of these a high attention individuals and sure enough he got in trouble he got burned like a lot of other people. We've seen that that Somehow get involved in trump world. So here's the other thing I'll say about him I I find him to be credible. I think everything he's saying. It is true when he sat in my office and was boasting. I wasn't sure but now that more and more evidence has surfaced. It does seem that Mr Parnassus was in constant contact with a lot of people and trump world. He had access to the president at least on a number of occasions Asians and that he was thrilled by that until it ended up costing him. What do you make of the fact that the members of your party who are still l. in elected office seemed completely unfazed by the number? The sheer number of the president of the United States is associated who've been indicted aided and convicted and jailed the number of the growing number of felon surrounding him and that he's surrounded himself with and with this scandal. That involved breaking a law which prohibited the president from not dispensing aid as Congress authorized it to be dispensed the growing sort of sense of criminality around around this president. It doesn't seem to bother your colleagues in Congress. What do you make of that joy? Our politics have become so polarized and so tribal is that it. It is more than obvious that a lot of members of Congress have forgotten that Congress is an independent co equal branch of government no congress no member of Congress. No Congressional Committee should be an extension of any administration Republican or Democrat but again people have it becomes so that Congress the most important institution in our government the Article One institution in the Constitution appears to have lost its independence its ability to process information objectively and render fair verdict. The very quickly quickly before we go lift parnassus called this the trump world really the Republican party it is all now the trump world a cult. Would you agree with that characterization. Well well I think that's along the lines of what I just described. Our politics have become so tribal is that people are just about defending their side and certainly that has been apparent in the last few weeks here with many congressional Republicans Carlos Carello. Thank you very much really appreciate you being here. Thank you thank thank you alright. Fifteen more shopping days until the Iowa caucuses and almost all the leading candidates are struggling with one major topic. And I'll tell you what that is next they do. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcasts I get together with. SNL Star Eighty. Brian to talk about her hilarious. Run on Saturday night. Live and her breakout show shrill. Get that that conversation now for free. Wherever you download your podcasts? I've been consistently leading in the polls after taking all the hits I go down and everybody was hit me is out you all declare me not you at Torian abroad sense declare me dead and guess what I ain't dead not GonNa die tonight. The New York Times editorial board will announce its endorsement for the twenty twenty democratic crime presidential primary. Hi Mary but honestly do these endorsements really matter after all. This was the final editorial endorsement tally in two thousand sixteen. And we all know how that turned out. Thanks electoral in college. But Joe Biden does a reason to be bullish the latest polls show him with a consistent lead in the race not only including a substantial one among black voters a key demographic for the Democratic Party join me now days Johnson. MSNBC political contributor and politics editor at the Root Dot Com Cross managing editor of the beat DC. See All right so we got the bozing. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go so the the endorphins are gonNA come out tonight. I'm not sure it matters that much. I think we all agree that it probably doesn't but is there something. Now that can break this logjam Washington Post poll shows Bernie Sanders leading among the younger black voters by is leading consistently among older black voters. Overall Biden has this consistent lead but there is a log jam even among people. I talked the Kim pick someone. Yeah is there anything that can break it. I don't think so. Here's the thing about this field. Nobody's generally exciting right. You know everybody's kind of like all right you're the person person who will take and I again because so many people still have an Obama hangover. They still want to be excited about a candidate. They still want somebody to give you that feeling you get on Sunday morning from a baptist Preacher and that's not going to happen so I have to say I really think this field is going to hedge heavily on the second. The second person ticket the VP. Pick and I know that can ring ancient of desperation if somebody does it but it would be a bold move for any of these candidates come out and say you know what I'm going to pick became a person acts as my running mate and it's not unprecedented. You Remember Bird Ted Cruz. Did this in two thousand Sixteen Carly Fiorina. We'll see how all that works out the best example but in one thousand nine hundred eighty two senator. Taft did this with General Macarthur. Who of course was so popular ocular? And don't forget John Carcar breaking yesterday. If Joe Biden wins the the nomination of Bernie Sanders wanted Dave any of these four white people end up winning the nomination. They're going to need therapy. They're going to need a dynamic woman of color probably a black lady be the second a person on their ticket that is going to be necessity because I think the top of the tickets probably going to be a white person as far as this logjam does. Here's here's what's interesting one. I think this is always key with Bernie and and I know that Sanders people love to say this. He leads with black voters who are under the age of forty five eight hundred thirty five we can put that number back up. Go ahead is only about ten percent. Yeah and every other group of voters from thirty five and up. She's being he's just being absolutely lapped by Joe Biden. It's usually a fifteen or twenty percent lead so even that particular regular number. He's not doing that. Great nobody is doing as well with black voters as Joe Biden really is. It's an indictment on every other candidate. What is your problem? You've been at this game in Bernie's tape for five years Pete for Year Elizabeth Warren for a year and a Half Cobra sharp for a for a long time. If you can't get the core constituency of the Democratic Party listen to you deserve the job. The more important thing is if any of these candidates were pulling at one percent with white people we would not be calling the different mediums to catch up. And I'll just say to your point about the second ticket. I'm I'm just GONNA put it out there. They ought to be on the phone with Stacey Abrams today. They need to lock that up. I think that you know Georgia isn't play. I think swing state and I think she would give a big boost boost any of these candidates. Where at a post trump world there are no rules? Do something to make us. Look I we. We've talked about this before that. We think that VAL demings. uh-huh Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams wind up on everybody's top five list. Consider if they're smart that they want to have a black woman because it does feel like at least. I don't know if this is among the people you guys are talking with. There is a Malays. There's a sense of non excitement and there is no one with the Obama. Sort of x factor. Also also they are thinking about his bold I mean like Bernie Dummies promoting plans. That most people think he can't get done. Elizabeth Warren is promoting clans. People don't know if they think she's electable. Joe Biden is promoting a whole lot of safe stuff of and and basically makes mistakes these anachronistic things every other week. The selection of a vice-presidential candidate is the one thing you might do the convince people that you're willing to take risks and you're willing to to do something engaging and vice presidents almost never matter. This is one year where it matters it matters. How can this would've blown out of the war? He hadn't got at the same. Meantime I mean you have to remember that with McCain. He actually got a lower percentage of white women voters than any Republican had enforced cycles. So she didn't help him. She actually heard with a lot of people who thought that she didn't seem and serious. Let's talk about this. It will. Let's talk about this. I'm sorry that the Washington Post Poll. Sorry about Donald Trump because he is of course the election should be about him. That's helping the Democrats right. It's the election what really it shouldn't be a referendum on damaged dot M. Eighty three percent of people in the Washington Post poll say Donald Trump is a racist thirteen percent. Say No four percent for some reason. Have no opinion. Is that going to matter is Donald is the perception of Donald Trump. Going to matter in terms of I don't think it's a perception at this point. This is a reality and I'm kind of tired of the question. This is a question that has been asked and answered many times as evidenced by his asinine nine ridiculous and then a phobic misogynistic racist language tweets policies. Just it's like thirteen percent or is that just think Diwan I mean it's kind of ridiculous and I think we have to start framing it because they're so often where you get these questions like the Democrats say the president broke the law. The Republicans say he's got tiffany. What are you thinking? It's like stop having these ridiculous I think is is where everyone I think I agree with you that the opinions of Donald Trump are so baked in at this point and immovable. Yeah so do the opinions of him actually move the electorate in November November. I think in a way that they do because once people see that what he is not going to change. I don't think you end up gaining votes that way. That's the problem. Almost everybody tends to lose voters. The second can time around and I've always said there's nobody in this country who voted for Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen that scene four years Donald Trump and said you know what babies in cages and mass shooters to. They're not going to go to him and I think when it comes to black this is another question nobody wants to ask you think. Donald trump is racist. A lot of black people think a lot of white people are racist. That's not the question is not whether or not black people think. Someone's racist dodger. Racism have a particular impact on me because of the the question that most of us deal with every single day and I think these I think these polls sometimes miss is that new on the interviews around the Washington Post plot. Thought we're fascinating in the follow up article because when people were talking they were talking about that exhaustion. Saying that this is it's not just thinking he's racist. It's knowing that the people around them in their circle there are taking on a different attitude toward them and they all go from the black man in the article was so striking when he said when I'm in a room with white women I think you know half of you all voted for trump. How do you see me how people look at brace mark? Yeah exactly how many of those. Feminism didn't vote trump's racism sometimes. And that's going to be a town which we talked about this and last week's power rankings because what voters are looking at what white people did in two thousand sixteen. They don't trust them they don't trust why Democrats and I typed Zuma off. They Biden seems to be the person at at least they know people. Jason Johnson Tiffany Cross. This is a good show. I mean oh sorry covers the top Republican strategist gives us his take had a dump truck. Hi Hi Everyone Steve Kornacki here host of the podcast article two inside impeachment. It is official president. Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives and faces as a trial in the Senate. We've witnessed incredibly historic moment. So what does it mean for us for our politics and for our country with a politics of impeachment change. What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment search. Now wherever you're listening and subscribe okay. Thanks for listening. Well we now know. The conditions for megabit term being used to describe the departure of the Duke and Duchess suffix from the official ranks of the Royal Family move many believed was sparked by the relentless and often racist attacks on the couple particularly Megan again by the British tabloids and Harry's determination despair or the torment that his mom Princess Diana faced under the agreement announced by Queen Elizabeth. Yesterday the couple will give up the royal tied up. Your Highness will no longer receive public funds. It will repay the three million dollars. In taxpayer. Money will dollars no pounds. That was used to refurbish their official residence. At Windsor Castle but changed are expected to go into effect this Spring Harry and Meghan are expected to spend most of their time outside the United Kingdom in both Canada and later the United States. And we can't wait to have you on this side of the pond coming up. The man who famously called trump J. Jesus seizes joins US live discuss. How Democrats can beat him in November eight more android earlier this afternoon? My white has released a new memo to makes you a federal funding is never used to violate the first amendment which is a very big deal you White House event to promote prayer in public schools Donald Trump celebrated quote unquote religious freedom in the only bizarre way he knows how out by bragging about the two thousand sixteen election during the event trump displayed and overwhelmingly red electoral map from twenty sixteen perhaps unsurprisingly overstates his electoral college only Squeaker Win Against Hillary Clinton and understates his huge popular loss. It was by about three million votes just just as a reminder so Democrats look bad display. They look at it and they ask. Why is it looking? Like it's GonNa be so hard to beat that guy and also how to be bad ed guy here to deliver a little W. W. R. D.. What would a republican do as Republican? Strategist Rick Wilson. Whose new and subtly titled Book is called a running against the devil a plot to save America from trump and Democrats from themselves? Only Rick Wilson could get away with calling Donald Donald Trump the devil. I may have done that time or two. Cheeto Jesus the full route. The full route The full collection you do you do. So let's see how Democrats beat him. Truth what the most important thing is to remember that this election in is like all reelections is a referendum on Donald Trump Democrats already have their base there has been more motivated and fired up by Donald trump than anything I've ever seen in my lifetime in politics and I've been in the political business for thirty years since I was a wee lad But the Democrats have motivated base. That means they had the luxury of making this race race about trump then the luxury going into the swing states and the Electoral College which love it or hate it. It's still the way the ball game is going to be. Played in. Twenty twenty may not be that way forever wherever but twenty twentieth still going to be the electoral college fight and so the second big part of this of this program is Democrats have to get into the swing states and work their tails off their are. You and I both know from Florida. That Democrats have fallen short in Florida. A number of times unless you're a superstar like Barack Obama they have a heart they struggle in Florida. And so it's important they get down into the organizing in the swing states that matter and we're trump squeaked out you know look over four states over one hundred thousand votes got Donald Trump in the White House and so this will be a game of narrow numbers narrow margins. They're gonNA have to do a very very aggressive campaigning in those swing states. And they're going to have to get out of California in New York and pretending that they're gonna you know they can't pretend they're going to have to campaign in the in the blue states where they know the election's over and they also need to not try to swing into places like Texas if you could do put those resources into a place where you could swing like Florida. So there's a lot of logistical and political trade offs. That are going to happen here. Sure and the third big thing about this is that in the end of the day and it kind of spectrum. Number one policy isn't going to win this election. Nobody's going to make a decision in this election based on on Medicare for all Zubov care or on the climate change plans. It's going to be a reality. TV Show with Donald Trump as either the star or the heel and that reality TV shows got to be something that the Democratic nominee whoever it is and what are they doing this book joy is. I'm really arguing very strong. I'm not trying to pick the Democratic nominee. I'm not trying to select a nominee. I think there are some candidates who would probably blow the whole thing up but you you know but I'm not trying to choose the Democratic nominee is. I'm just trying to show them. We're all the tricks. And the traps and the systems that Republicans have built up over thirty plus years of winning statewide and a lot of national elections and a lot of congressional elections have been put into place. I was one of the people that help build that system and so this book is a warning to Democrats Democrats how not to fall into some of those traps. Yeah I mean that's what I call it. WWAFL because listen who you know. I want to know how to Republic Republican. That's all I want to tell me because you guys know how to do. You guys are very good at this. I mean the reality is as you point out and I think you and I agree on this The data agrees on this that Donald Trump could win by five lose. Choose the popular vote by five million voters which was the reelect margin of Barack Obama in two thousand twelve. Barak Obama won by ten million votes in two thousand eight and he won by five million votes in two thousand twelve trump could lose by five million votes and still win because the electoral college states. Let's zero in on those states. We're talking about a very very small number of swing states at Arizona to it but Michigan Pennsylvania Florida. I'm not even sure still a swing state Ohio. I'm not sure still swing in state. I'm not confident that it really isn't Wisconsin. How do Democrats get past the voter suppression in those states? Particularly states like Wisconsin then right and make the election a referendum on trump and not whoever they know the Democratic nominee is in those states. Part of joy is in in those states. They've got to have accountability. They've got to have people on the ground in those days. Like in two thousand sixteen I kept asking does Hillary or Hillary's people organizing organizing Puerto Rican voters as you and I both know. Huge influx of Puerto Ricans are inclined to vote democratic and they kept saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. We got this. They didn't they didn't do the work. So Accountability Accountability in the campaign is a huge thing. It's one of the skills of the Republican Party. We run these campaigns and organizationally accountable. Way We go in and we make sure people are doing their actual jobs. That often does not happen. That doesn't always connect with the Democrats. They need to go out and they needed to hustle. Hard in Wisconsin and Michigan suburbs particularly. There have been uh-huh a breakage off of the Republican Party with educated in female voters in those suburbs. You're correct Ohio is trending red but I- list fifteen states and we won't go through the mall right now fifty states in the book. So that if you lose an Ohio you can roll up an Arizona you could potentially even roll up North Carolina. If you play your cards right there are a lot of places where Democrats getting the game here and can do some and can do some calculus that will mitigate losing one of the big swing states. But you can't really afford to lose more than one very narrow. Pathway very nervous people forget sometimes a one North Carolina and Indiana in two thousand eight because the states are winnable. If you have the right kind of candidate okay lightning round for you in your mind. Is this election you write you. Write about the fact that Donald Trump has made is broken lots of campaign promises. That's a that's a case that you can make it says you're out of more than children. Eighty campaign promises made right. Trump is broken about forty three percent of sixty campaign it promises and kept about thirty five percent and sell for compromise on twelve percent. That sounds to me like a persuasion argument. But is this in your mind A.. Persuasion race or a base turnout race. Well what the base turnout. Aquarium has already settled. Democrats showed us in two thousand eighteen. They will crawl over broken glass to vote against trump. They will because they that that race was an entire referendum on Donald trump in the off year. which is kind of remarkable? We rarely get that ninety. Four and twenty ten are the only other two current examples that that are really close to us in time so that argument that you can persuade some voters is important and bringing some of those Republican women and those suburban urban women and independent men in the suburbs. Remember game of small numbers. You don't have to crush. Donald trump by five million votes or ten million votes into crush by two hundred seventy avenue. One Electoral College votes and again he won by about one hundred thousand votes in four states. If you get in there and Cherry pick those folks and do the right data targeting the right analytics the right campaign advocacy. Sometimes that message will be persuasion. Part of it's going to be to tell those voters were cleaning this up. We're going to get rid of this agent of pure Taos. Were not trying to flip it over and be a left wing version of trump. We're just trying to get America back on its bearings so we can have fights over Marshall Tax rates in the small things that politics normally a comp- was comprised of in this country for a very long time. Rick Wilson. I recommend people read the book. Look I would love to have you come back on and talk a little bit more about the strategy because there are some Republicans like you also believe that a second term of Donald Trump would be good for America and willing to help so take the help people Thank you very much more natural rats on the book it seems like they. They actually think they're neutral. They think their objective and that is more troubling this delusional. How they responded to this you know? Never mind their hyperbolic Alec words about thinking did she just have a bad day when she emotional. No I was a fighter pilot This was a choice. I Made Eight. I did not crumble under their pressure. I've flown a tens in combat. I decided to call a liberal liberal and for whatever reason they couldn't handle it good Manley welcome back. Am Joy. Believe it or not. Believe it or not this is actually what Arizona. Senator Martha mcsally feels that she needs to do to win a tight race call. CNN reporter Manu Raju a liberal hack running away from his questions as if she were in some sort of danger and then doubling down on it on Fox News of course and fundraising off of it. I get it but it is kind of a toss up hail. Mary pass a hail. Mary Pass. Kind of gamble for a politician. Titian who by any metric is in trouble in the upcoming election. Take a look at this. She is trailing her Democratic challenger Astronaut Mark Kelly by four points Kelly Lee is out fundraising hurt by millions of dollars. Approval ratings are underwater in a new poll by morning. Console that underscores just how vulnerable she and a handful of other Senate. Republicans are as Donald Trump's impeachment trial gets underway. Not only are they. Under water on their own. But Donald Trump's net approvals in their respective battleground state is dragging them down even further. So it's pretty bad. Take a look at the numbers on the bottom. Trump's rating in the red state of Iowa is fifteen points underwater and Colorado. At seventeen points. In the writ where Senator Senator Cory Gardner is opting to try and seem reasonable by saying he plans on being impartial as he looks at all the evidence probably best bet in a blue leaning swing state but not marketing sally her strategies to try to win the state that she was appointed to. Because don't forget. She lost to Senator Chris Cinema. Who's now the senior senator from that state in two thousand eighteen eighteen? Her GAM is to try to prove fealty Donald Trump and do a full Fox News regardless of how she looks in the process of folding author and media analyst the Call Hammer author of messengers of the right conservative media and the transformation of American Politics Gabriel Sherman author of the loudest voice in the room. Tiffany Cross Cross managing editor of the DC and Jason Johnson politics editor at the root dot com. All right. Let's just go through in order that I introduced you guys Eric. There's there's a thing that you have to do to be trump republican which is to completely do the full trumpy. Partly you have to be all the way you know in the Church Church. That is what Martha mcsally is trying to do. It's a weird thing to do if you're from Arizona which is a which is increasingly purple state but your thoughts. Well it's a weird thing to do in January she has has to stick with the charade for the next ten months right. This is I think there will be a short term game. She fundraise off at Fox News of the suddenly wanted to talk to her because they think she's a star Dr but she has to keep up the charade for the whole years. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA yell at every reporter. who asked her a question? She going to insult every member of the press corps who ask the simple question. What do you think about impeachment? So she's kind of locked in and as you mentioned politics in Arizona are changing. The demographic demographics are changing. She's being out fundraise. She's losing in the polling. So yes this would make sense. Maybe next October or next September but it seems like very weird move now look this is what some increasingly women Republican who have almost no path of survival in the Republican Party anymore members of Senate men members of Congress increasingly. They're they're deciding. This is their only chance and just real quickly. You know they're going to cover. The cupboard is bare and all they see is a container that says liberal media bias. Right and they're gonNA in a crack it open and see what happens but it does reek of desperation at this point up. I'm GONNA jump around a little bit. I'm not going to my political scientist at the table here because running running against the media making the media object Jay Rosen at. NYU was brilliant. People read him said that is what the Republican Party is sort of organized itself around the object and it works in general and broad. Brush Republican politics. But I'm looking at Arizona and I just see Colorado. It's a state that is increasingly purple. So you not only have to win to win statewide there. The trump people you'll have to win independence and even some people who are on the record Democrats but would vote for Republican. She already tried to run as a right wing Republican. She loves yes she's an appointed. See and now. She's about to probably lose to an astronaut who fly bit higher than pilots. Here's here's the other thing. People don't recognize with that whole thing that just happened with Maharaja. The context matters right. She was being asked a question about do. Do you want witnesses in the impeachment hearings. That's a pretty easy question. It wasn't a hacky question. It wasn't the kind of red meat question that independence and anybody else come on. Why allies oppress asking her that question so it doesn't look very good for her? But here's the other thing she's a woman and these things are gendered and how women are perceived when they respond in hostility to the press even even by Republicans is perceived as differently than men. Do It if a woman had done with Lindsay granted last year during the cavenaugh hearings people would call hysterical but with Lindsey Graham. It's like oh my gosh. It was so brava. No so bolt cavenaugh did crying and everything else like that so at the end of the day. I don't think this was a smart move for her in especially not on this subject area but again she's desperate that's where it she's GonNa flail around. She's going to hope that she's going to be thrown an anchor some sort of life preserver by trump and anyone. WHO's running in two thousand twenty trump coming for you? Let let me go to Nicole. Hepler on this does does this day on this. Because Corey Gardner again the states are becoming more and more similar Arizona used to be a far writer wing state than it is now. It's changing because of the demographics of WHO's moving there it was retiring there etc.. Cory Gardner who is also also in trouble. He's also underwater. He's also having an issue. He's chosen the opposite tack which is to try to seem reasonable and to do it senator supposed to do this. I'm going to listen to the evidence and I'm GonNa be objective. He also been faces a risk from Fox News right because has he is now off script. He's not singing from the hymnal. So what are the risks to him in conservative media for just seeming reasonable. Well they're exactly that and I. I think it helps explain why the party has become so far right even on the state level where you would expect more moderation. It's this idea that if you do try. Try to sort of leave that more moderate path. You're going to get punched so hard from your right and so part of it is going on the offensive by making these kinds of liberal hack statements but it's also going on the defensive keeping yourself from being attacked from the right whether it's from Fox News or from conservative websites or conservative talk radio. So there's a defensive gesture there too and we'll see how much of that Gardner Picks up when he tries this more. Moderate pass the through the campaign. Yeah tiffany how long it lasts right because to try to be a regular order. Republican in this era is difficult Mitt. Romney is rich. Birthing trump can really do to mit right. Not even up this year but for somebody like Gardner. He has to decide whether how he wants to if he's going to lose how he wants to lose when he's running in a state that trump will likely lose. You've seen Colorado your home down as a matter of let me it's trending more blue and I think there's this Just concerted effort just very quickly touch on Manu Raju when he asked questions to mix alley. I just have to say Maharaj you. I've never heard him expressing opinions recent confrontation agents Omar where he's asking her questions she asks either. Yes in Hollywood west. I think he and Murkowski a few years ago also L. had an exchange when he was trying to ask questions so I think there is this attempt like I said before with the media trying to present a both of these arguments as though they're coherent legitimate the arguments and I think that does a disservice to democracy. That is not what we see happening. And I think when we see the rules coming out of this impeachment trial the fallout from that. My a new rise you question and so now. Reporters can't have their phones in there. They can't they don't have any accessible senators leaving the child. These are rules put forth by the Senate rules. Committee democracy does Diane Darkness. I'm not a spokesperson for the Washington Post. But that's when you set those. Those brewers in place voters won't be able to see how they're senators are responding. They won't be able to ask those tough questions. And I think in part the way this why Donald Trump has a simple this parade these TV stars and personalities like Kim Star. All these talking heads the can start. Well he hated twenty years ago by the way this is your crew because that can easily distract the media. I mean we have you know elected a clown in the circus show. Donald trump remains the ringmaster and the media complicit in that and he knows he can manipulate these talking points. Republicans will not have any accountability from the press. If these rules are to remain in place and voters will be left in the dark. I don't know if that's not a work. I hope it doesn't. But that's the scenario right now. We'll let me ask eight. Because the strategies are all coordinated giving opinion that is what Mitch McConnell said if these coordinating the impeachment trial with the defendant and so the question is does. Donald Trump won a full circus where he has his TV lawyers. Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr everyone on performing for him or does Mitch McConnell would he rather have it in darkness where he can protect his vulnerable members from having to be accountable to the public for the way they behave. Yes so joy what I've heard from sources close to the president is that for now he is deferred to McConnell and and it will sort of countenance a short trial and basically let McConnell drive the bus that said if trump perceives and we know trump is the the skin person on earth to if he perceives that things are not going his way. He's going to throw bombs into the process. He's going to have his defense team. Make a circus out of this. He might get Jim Jordan or some of the most firebrand trump supporters in the house involved in his defense. And so really. This comes down to whether are there. Trump thinks this process is working for him and he constantly plays the victim. So my bet is that by the time this is over it will devolve into a circus and the last point I want to make is that. I think what's so troubling about this whole dynamic. Is that we really have asymmetrical accountability in American politics right now. What what I mean by that is? Is that the Republican Party. Their voters get their news from Fox News primarily. The base gets their news from Fox and so they're they're politicians are not held to the to the same standards standards as Democrats are interviewed aggressively by all the media chemists CNN times NPR. The media. Ask Questions of Democrats at Fox. News would never ask of the Republican Party. And so when Martha mcsally makes a comment like that to Maharaja Fox News cheerleaders for them reward that behavior. Yeah absolutely I mean. They run literally run right to Fox News and then run right to their email lists and fundraise off of it. It's a closed system because they would you just for a second game if if you got any Can you can you back up the reporting that. We've heard this week that the White House is preparing the bit for there to be witnesses. They preparing for the the likelihood that at least some witnesses will happen. And that there's a potential that Republicans might try to turn that into a circus Ju- trying to drag out schiffer Joe Biden in front of the game. That's clearly clearly what I'm hearing. Is that the talking point. That's coming out of the White House. If there's going to be witnesses we want our witnesses right and so they're gonNA call. Hunter Biden Joe Biden. I didn't or Adam Schiff or the whistle blower and that's going to put Democrats into a bind. I mean clearly. They want witnesses. I don't know how they're going to make the political argument while while we're not gonNA have these witnesses. They can argue that. It's not relevant to the trial. But I think that is the pressure point. Republicans are GonNa hit on and Eric or maybe they. They shouldn't resist it. I mean the the is said this yesterday. Republicans think they want Adam Schiff to be a witness until he's sitting in front of the witness because he's actually really good at there's like he unlike reporting that Mark Meadows went on Steve. Bannon is radio show a couple of weeks ago to Pitch Matt Gaetz to be. Do you want that versus versus Adam. Schiff I take that as we said. No we're nobody ever really knows how he's going to play out when trump's pulling the strings and things like that but my concern in terms of the media coverage and we saw this with the media coverage in the House is please don't do this both sides. Let's not have hammering. Let's not let's. It's not the dominant narrative BG. They can't agree. Let's have hand wringing about you know. Lack of civility and Congress are institutions are failing us. There there is A. There's one of our two major parties in this country that has effectively unequivocally divorced itself from reality. That is the news story. The news story is they can't agree. Democrats are running an incredibly sophisticated factual straightforward impeachment. A prosecution and the Republican Publican Party is literally saying we don't care and they're down to the point where they're saying we don't even care if he's guilty because the Democrats motivation that is the story. Sorry let's not do this. Both sides nonsense for a week or two and Nicole that is what the the the right wing media has benefited from they are they are. It's a different world that they're living A.. And they know that their politicians Republican politicians are not held to the same standard absolutely. I mean one of the big stories of the past ten or fifteen years in politics has been the ability the Of the right kind of hack. The media values of mainstream journalism which is to say this kind of both sides reporting and they really benefit from that and I think that there is now a real pressure and importance for journalists to not only not do that kind of both sides reporting but to also do more than just debunking debunking the lies and the conspiracy theories that are coming out here and exposing the system is through which those conspiracies are built in right wing media in particular take take advantage of the fact that journalists hate being branded as liberal that there's this overcompensation amongst journalists and on crab her and Republicans are not making this argument. Good faith and I got to come to the table here because you know you're you're here from the Root Dot Com tiffany you've been following Capitol Hill and had been in the media and observing me for a long time in both of you make. I'm GonNa let you making on TV because journalists of color. Don't really have that problem. Ah If you're black either as a scholar or working of the route when you're black it's always assume that you're liberal. It's always assume that you're you're supporting the democratic side. It's always assume that you're aligned with certain ideas and in beliefs one way or another and also it seems to give an excuse for people on the right to be hostile to you. Black person can ask you about the budget. The same way that any other the color person can I and I and I think that's part of the issue but it but I think the other thing is we're really complicated position right now where the press not only has to hold politicians institutions accountable. But they have to hold each other and that is a real challenge when you have to look at your colleagues other networks and say okay you know what. That's you're you're spitting a right wing talking talking point that is not true. The guess that you have is not being honest one way or another and that isn't ecosystem in media that we've never had to face culture shift here. Three years ago four years ago had either of US said Donald Trump is a racist and he's perpetuating racist policies. I mean the media gatekeepers would've collect pearls while now that everybody else has caught up. Welcome nobody but gossiping. A resolution saying that guy is racist. which was a change in how we would discuss these things Nina chain? The lexicon have seen a change in the verbiage that that journalists us now. And it's like I look. I think the the fact that black people have been an enslaved people in this country longer than we have been free. Listen to US next time when some white supremacy surfaces we should be your experts. Yeah and I think it makes another case for why you need diversity of media because I news room is going to have immediate diversity and decision makers editorial decision and makers because when you whitewash the black American experience you are destroying democracy at the same time. His mom other issue Eric to is that there there is. There is a way that media is sort of trained to do this. which is that? There is an instant. There isn't a respect for the institution of presidency that I ah I cannot tell you how many times we've all watched donald trump yell at members the media. Tell them to shut up sit down. Tell them they can't ask questions. I think of Sam Donaldson and continuing to yell at Franck. What happened to just even the sense among media that this person is just an employee of three hundred twenty seven million people? He's not our boss right. We're his boss. What happened to that sense of that attitude toward power? I think it goes back to the point of working the refs right. There's an intimidation at work in in. You do not yell at a Republican president. I am Sam Donaldson. God bless him did the last twenty years. That's not a thing that is just not a thing and I. And so trump is the most radical player in American political history in terms of the power he achieved and the press has not adjusted the press still every time trump says something we gotta we give them. A trump says headline. We have to pretend it's true for eight hours and then we'll punk no you don't because every journalist or smarter and sophisticated vindicated these newsrooms and DC are filled with very smart people. The understand what's going on and they're being paid to pretend they don't understand what's going on. It's kind of this Kabuki feet dance and we shouldn't be we shouldn't be doing. I just got this at my ear for my ap of Domino make sure that. I say this correctly so just keep talking to me. If I'm saying it wrong. The Hugh Hewitt apparently just said on on his radio show and I believe meet the press reported this. Oh said on meet the press. Okay so hugh Hewitt is on meet the press and he just said that he is going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the Virginia. Ginny primary This appears to be some sort of operation. Chaos move Jason you're saying yes. That's what you're seeing happening and so that's because it is. This is one of the reasons. A lot of people. Don't think open primaries. It's degrading and there's a lot of different dynamics which will probably talk about some of the point with ranked choice voting and everything else like that that prevents these sort of Shenanigans. This is not not an insult to Bernie Sanders but when Republicans are voting for you. It's usually the one who can be trump and I wonder if Nicole if there is a is a sense that the conservative assertive media is also trying to make those kinds of choices about the way that they're covering these democratic nominees based on who they think trump could trump would be more helpful hopeful to trump in the election. Oh sure of course. They're trying to figure out how. Best to sow chaos within the democratic ranks. I don't think that they're the biggest threat to voting and to making sure that the people's choice is reflected in the vote whether in the primaries or the general election but it is something that You know rush. Limbaugh has done this through several election cycles just to kind of lays but utter failure at it by the way never worked it never worked last. Gabriel Gabriel before. I let you go because I wanted to get any reporting from you on is there does the White House would they prefer to run against. Yeah clearly there dancing at the idea of Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren. That would be a dream. That would be the dream ticket. Of course if they joined working so hard to make it Joe Biden right or to get or to take out. Joe Biden Yeah. I mean the. They're really worried. That trump world is worried that Joe Biden will peel off. Air Has the best chance of peeling off voters in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin Ohio Estate. That trump is sort of the industrial midwest that trump carried in two thousand sixteen. That's historically been Biden territory. Are they scared of Bloomberg you know. They're scared of his money any and the idea that he could basically unlimited checkbook to fund attack ads against trump. But I don't think anyone series and trump world says Bloomberg as actual candidate feels a threat to them at this point any sense of Bloomberg having any kind of anything track should know stiers doing better than he is in most polls. I wouldn't see Bloomberg the only only thing I will get Bloomberg is He got up north from mayor. Steve Benjamin out of South Carolina which matters big endorsement. So that did me any money on mayor. Why did you do take what was the kick? And he said that he does believe that Bloomberg has a path to victory and a lot of the aisle programs around and became my brother's keeper at Bloomberg continues to be a part of soap else. Now one hundred billion dollars yes. Healthcare trump work Nicole. Gabriel Johnson. Thank you guys very much taken. crossly fifty cross. Please stick around up next. Why Virginia's declaring a state of emergency I had a gun rights rally Maurienne Jordan and we're seeing threats abides and we're seeing threats of armed confrontation and assault on our capital state? Intelligence analysts have identified threats threats and violent rhetoric rhetoric similar to what has been seen before other major events such as Charlottesville Virginia. Did he governor. Ralph Northam has declared a state of emergency and temporarily banned weapons from the grounds of the state capital after six suspected. neo-nazis were arrested in Virginia and Georgia ahead of a gun. Rights Rally planned in Richmond. Virginia tomorrow also known as Martin Luther King Junior Day the rally has attracted the interest of members of an online extremist group. That calls itself the base which weirdly and coincidentally is the English translation of Al Qaeda and not to be done by racist online trolls. The president of the United States stoked up tensions further by twitter attacking the ban on weapons in the capital which is temporary and designed to prevent a repeat of the deadly violence in Charlottesville. It's Bill Weir activists had are higher lost her life in the summer of twenty seventeen to me. Now is Daryl Lamont Jenkins Executive Director of one people's project and Mark Thompson Thompson. Host of the podcast make it plain. Thank you both for being here and Darryl Let me start with you trying to explain this. It's lobby day. which is an annual event for gun for this gun rights group in the lobby day according to Vox Dot Com is an annual event for the Virginia citizens? Defense League a pro gun rights group normally attracting few hundred gun rights activists to Richmond to lobby members of the state government. This year. Virginia is on the cusp of actually passing gun. Control laws because Democrats. Pat's wants to many victories. There talk a little bit about them a little bit about this group. The base that the F. B. I. has been paying attention to and what do you the. How do you assess the threat level on Monday? What I stressed the threat level as being a lot more than just assed rhetoric on the part of a lot of individuals we have seen that The the characters that they picked up from the base or reputed to be in the base. This we're coming there with weapons with explosives. They mean to do some harm. And we have them communicating those threats of violence online nine and verbally to people who unfortunately is encouraged who are encouraging them from the mainstream. I don't want to mention any names right now but the fact of the matter is we are. We are seeing the same people who were in Charlottesville the same exact people who are in Charlottesville basically GLI coming out to be a part of this however there are otherwise the premises other hate mangas. That were in Charlottesville and abroad. That are trying to discourage reach them from coming out because they are afraid that this is a setup and if you're in the capital area you're going to be in a kill zone so it's GonNa it's GonNa be a mess. It's going to be a total mess. We don't know what to expect. I'm going to be there on Monday. But we're basically going to pull back acting. Just see how things unfold. Yeah this is according to New York Times about this group the base the FBI was growing increasingly concerned about the base as it worked to recruit. It works six to recruit New People. The group encourages the onset of anarchy according to the Counter Extremism Project an organization that tracks far-right extremism experts founder and American Appears to be living in Russia. This is according to vox for you. Mark there are three new bills that are on the table. That are being proposed in Virginia again. Now is run by the Democrats. Want a lot out of victories there and basically running the state now that would require background checks that would limit the number of handguns that can be purchased per month and that would ban guns from certain events and government buildings. We know that Virginia's it's kind of a supermarket For guns wind up in places like New York and around the country Do what do you make of the fact that this group has chosen to protest. Those new bills goes on King Day. Well first of all and thanks as well as having enjoy good morning to you. The and they have chosen Virginia obviously because the NRA is a resident of Virginia. Their headquarters is right there. This is ground zero for the NRA. What obviously doing this on mother King? Junior's birthday is repulsive and blasphemous. As a matter of fact some of the first gun legislation which was proposed by. LBJ was right. After uh Dr King was assassinated And then the debate when further win Bobby Kennedy was assassinated just two months later this. This is an ongoing struggle around the Second Amendment Argument they obviously want exploited and they want to use Dr King's Day all in keeping keeping with Charlottesville was all about if us if you're gonNA have a Neo Nazi gun rally on the King Junior Day what's the difference between that and Charlottesville and now you have trump tweeting about it. So is he going to say. Both sides mini sides again. If something happens but what none of them seem to realize as you said joy the legislature has the votes to do this because Democrats won the legislature in two thousand eighteen and twenty seventeen Democrats. Won The governor's mansion which is rare consecutively and Virginia. Why did Democrats win? The governor's mansion widely Democrats win the state legislature slater because of Charlottesville so it's really ridiculous. Even say Republicans Will Win Virginia in two thousand twenty. If something terrible goes down tomorrow even if it doesn't just live very presence there will probably guarantee Democrats once again win whatever cease. There ought to win and Virginia. Twenty twenty yeah. We want to point out that the city is Virginia Senior Citizens Defense League marketing. They are near Knott's if you're just that neo. Nazis attracted to the advantage on that. Let's play heather higher. Whose who daughter? Who Lost her daughter in the CHARLOTTESVILLE helmet took place and had her mom? Her mom named Susan Bro. Oh and she was on the today show and here she is. I think what people often don't realize that ordinary white kid can easily get sucked into that. And so if parents are trying to devalue their children's privacy value their children's space they might want to Check in a little more often. Be a little more aware of what's going on So often the the kid that you least expect is the one who's deeply embroiled in the white supremacist movement. It's very seductive. Darryl Lamont Jenkins this is your area of expertise. What do you make of her advice? Well was. Here's the important thing to remember when we as we deal with Richmond. I do not believe that the gun issue. Who is the main issue? I doubt that sincerely you have legislator that is in a safe house right now because of legislation he wants to get past. It has has nothing to do with the issue with the issue of guns and they're angry at him because they're following death threats against him and all that I think that when it comes to those young people out there who get caught up in this kind of nonsense is gonNa cost them and we see how much at a cost them after Charlottesville. The same thing is going to happen if they are part of this. I encourage many people who are still trying to be involved in this kind of nonsense. Wants to give it up to knock it off. This is not the kind of society that is going to go forward that way and if you insist on being a part of it you're going to be xed out and there is the the white though state thing it's not going to happen. Let's what do you make facts. What do you make of the fact? Mark that Jerry Falwell Junior senior says that he will call for civil disobedience. If Virginia Democrats implement these gun laws your thoughts. That's ridiculous and Dow very seriously There'll be many Virginians who participate in that He ought to get out of that too. This is just another our opportunity to Donald. Trump is taking an opportunity that he is to try to exploit would really as a sacred holiday. How do you engage engage in something promoting guns on the Dan which very dreamer was assassinated with a gun but this is his modus operandi? And he's trying coming to appeal to his base in the hopes that will help him in twenty twenty and probably also distract from his impeachment. But it's not gonNA work. Yeah they're Lamont Jenkins and Mark Thompson. Thank you very much and In advance guys a wonderful and hopefully peaceful. Mlk Day. Thank you guys. Thank you more next ext after a ferocious backlash the National Archives is admitting it was wrong to alter a photo of the two thousand seventeen. Women's March the MEA culpa comes after the Washington Post reported that the archives had blurred some signs critical of Donald Trump. National Archives. tweeted out an apology saying quote. We made a mistake. Take the archive said the photo. The photo was part of a promotional display for a new exhibit. Not An artifact. It has agreed to remove the picture and replace it with the original regional as well as look into current policies. To make sure things like. This don't happen again. The apology came amid yesterday's women's marches where thousands of people took to the streets in cities across the country. Nearly three years after the original photo was taken more am joy after the break. Do you think it was proper for the president to solicit foreign interference in our election. Well I don't know that has been actually actually proven. All in dispute we've seen the president public ask the Ukrainians to get involved. Asked the Chinese to get involved. Well those St Louis political they make them all the time. If President Obama was calling Hong Kong are calling governments asking about you and your business career career and would that be a legitimate use of presidential power. That's totally improper characterization. When IT COMES TO DONALD TRUMP NANCY PELOSI may pray very privately but she's orchestrated straighted? The Church of Holy Hill who Donald Trump's Republican latkes were out in force on the other Sunday shows this morning once again trying to defend his conduct as is impeachment trial gets underway this week already. Jones the facts of the case. And that's apparently just fine by Alan Dershowitz a member of trump's legal defense team who says even if all the allegations allegations are true it still does not rise to an impeachable offense joining me now civil trial and criminal. Defense Attorney Midwood. Charles tiffany cross the David Corn of mother other Jones. Who is the author of Russian Roulette? Let's play Dershowitz. Rounders with to kind of is lawyer and then he's gotTa isn't the lawyer and he's going to be me there here he is and this is his argument for trump. I have a limited role in the case. I'm only in the cases of council on the constitutional criteria for impeachment. I'm not involved in the strategic decisions about witnesses or facts you needed proof of an actual crime. It needn't be a statutory statutory crime but it has to be criminal behavior criminal in nature even if everything that is alleged by the house managers is proven or taken his. It's true they would not rise to the level of an impeachable offense midwood. I'm GonNa go to you. I have you ever had a case in which you were representing someone kind kind of and also is it in your as an attorney. Do you agree with the idea that the only thing that you can impeach for is an actual crime not crimes and misdemeanors crimes or other misdemeanors. Promise misdemeanors no not at not at all and if you look at the constitution. It's very the very clear with respect to what you can impeach someone on but with respect to how I run my practice. I don't understand why it is that Alan Dershowitz who who has appeared many times times said that he's represented a variety of different people. Such as Jeffrey Epstein. I don't understand why he would be wanting to sort of have this bifurcated or weird approach with with representing the president usually when a client comes to you and they want you to represent them what you do is you lay out. How it is that you intend to represent them and let me just say also so join with respect to Documents and witnesses not not being able to appear before the Senate trial I find it incredibly bizarre because when my clients come to me and they have something they want to prove they come with a list of twenty to thirty witnesses. I come with boxes of documents actually have to convince them to scale it back. Why because they want the truth told but you don't see that happening here so you know this is now Almost a three ring circus. And it's unfortunate but like I've said before on your show many times elect the clown expect a circus. And when you just played all of those clips of elected officials of Republicans who are supposed to be representing their constituents who take an oath to the constitution. It is clear that they have not taken an oath to the constitution. Or they don't take it seriously rather they have taken an oath to Donald well trump and it's unfortunate it's bad for our democracy. Well that is true. They have taken that that ladder. Oh here is a little more. Let's play a little bit more of him on witnesses. One thing. That's very clear. Is that if witnesses are permitted on one side they have been on both sides and if witnesses are permitted it will delay the trial considerably. Because the president will invoke executive privilege as to people like John Bolton that will have to go to court and we'll have to have a resolution of that before before the trial continues. I know he's a lawyer on TV. And technically you're not a lawyer but he's doubled already said he would testify has already said he would do right. So He's saying you'd have to go back to court and that the only way that it could be permitted is if the other side could call Joe Biden who's not relevant to the case. Well sure was to by saying if you read the federals papers sixty five by Alexander. Hamilton he describes impeachable offenses as abuse of public trust so and he also says that these offenses tend to be political in nature and he put political in all caps. Yeah so the Dershowitz. His argument that abusive power power is not impeachable. Unconstitutional Is something that he's sort of pulling out of thin air but you know we have a situation here where it's really you know we. We argue about witnesses argue about evidence but we really do as you start from those clips earlier is arguing about reality. You have members members of the Senate who won't even acknowledge that trump said publicly to try to investigate. Joe Biden that he said yes. I wanted Ukraine. Investigate the the go-to knowledge that the GAO put out a report of a finding that he broke the law. The owning knowledge that someone said it was a pro quo corner said it was a shakedown and the smoking gun. That came out this week. That they WANNA knowledge Giuliani's letter to Dolinsky president of Ukraine say I representing trump in a private capacity acidy for his personal interest so it wasn't about anything public doing with corruption. He was after something for trump privately but trump used his office to get get it. Yeah I mean it's a very clear case that's why Dershowitz is not arguing the facts. He's arguing this abstract notion very abstract. Here's here's Senator Dick Durbin and this is his warning warning to his colleagues on the Republican side. At this point the Senate is on trial and I hope at the end of the day enough. Republican senators will understand. History will find you. Make certain that you make a decision that you can live with in terms of our constitution and your own professional career tiffany. You've been a long time. Okay covering the Capitol Hill in interacting with these these these political figures. They have seemed to make a decision that they all go in together. They all go down together with trump. And I still remember Lindsey Graham saying if we nominate Donald Trump he will destroy the Republican Party. Lindsey Graham Yeah exactly. Yeah they seem to all have decided. That's okay yeah looks I first of all Bravo producers of am joy for stringing together. They'll soundbites at the beginning because that is so indicative of where we are now. They are literally on Earth to they are regurgitating ridiculous. Things you really do feel like you're watching an SNL sketch. And I think this is why it's so important to press these. Senators editors in the media. Has Anyone promised you or threatened you with anything you can change for your blind allegiance this president because what we're saying is they may be receiving foreign election. Parents again rebelled to the AM joy team for highlighting the Rhonda Santa's connection here. I mean he has a string of text messages. We heard awful lot about Hamilton tickets during that Florida gubernatorial race. Yeah well here we have him colluding with these two guys. Who Look like they could be extras on season? Two of the wire and nobody's talking about it. I think this has to be some that we keep elevating who else how many tentacles this scandal have in the Senate or the Republican Party. This is showing the deep rot throughout the the trump administration trump error and the Democrats thought. We made a miscalculation they thought they had a really neat an easy impeachment case here. You know just the Ukraine deal. It's much more time but we have. We have a special thing coming up. So we're GONNA hear Charles. Tiffany cross David Corn. I believe me you will you will. You will all be for this coming up at the top of the hour. Alex we'll have her moment of maxine congresswoman maxine waters joins us live up next on. Am Joy you really want to stay with us. Coffee the winner of who won the week that that died. I think you might over only intellectualize it and say it's just hair. People are well meaning. It'd been reminding me of the India Ari Song you know. I'm now my hair. You are not your hair and that's true but I still want it so I'm trying to find my way year and I do believe going public will help nope. That video is breaking down the stigma surrounding hair loss and inspiring countless women across this this country. So much though. That for this week's edition of from there is no need need for competition because we have a hands down winner Massachusetts Congresswoman Ianna Presley. Sister Presley. I just want to tell. Oh you first of all thank you so much for being here and thank you for winning the week. Thank you for the honor. I have to tell you I watched that video First of all it was hard not to ugly cry watching it and it was so inspiring you talked about dealing with Al Show and it was so heroic and here you are today in your beautiful self Tell it tell me how did you come to the decision to go. Public with. This was a very personal struggle. Here's the thing joy. I was suffering silence and felt really shackled gold by the silence and the accompanying shame and isolation and I felt firmly that in order for me to lead authentically that I would need to be transparent but also I knew that I would own people an explanation not only because Senegalese twists a protective hairstyle or style in braids had become completed part of my personal identity my political bran but because as a woman and a woman in politics and certainly as a black woman man everything is political. This is not shocking. I've introduced legislation to guard against the fact that black girls are pushed out of the classroom for how they wear their hair. I have colleagues who have been pressured by supporters and donors alike not to allow their hair to go gray colleagues who've been told that they should straighten their hair. You're in not wear it curly in so hair is political and so far is who won the week. It's the millions of those in this country. Better living daily with the trauma and the stigma of hair loss navigating the world bald which challenges oranges conventional norms and societal standards of of. What is beautiful or handsome this transcendent issue so far? Who won the week? I want to just get shoutout to bald nation My fellow allegations. This is an autoimmune skin disease that is trend cendant. I've been hearing from men and women and children alike from throughout the country and so they win the week and I'm grateful eightfold that I have the platform to shine a light on this issue. I have to tell you I have a dear friend. A family member who both have dealt with Alopicia issue so when you came came forward with it it was something you personally for me. That was so moving but as you know you know I am a beneficiary of the crown acts in his free and even people in my profession and to be able to wear braids and I hear from so many Particularly Young Black Women even young black men who say that wearing our hair in its natural state is so important into them it it means something to them and you as you said in the video are somebody who was carrying that to Capitol Hill and so for you to now embrace Who you are now as you said as a proud aloe piece of women who have conquered that this thing that we have about our hair as black women it is her roic and you know that's why that's why we wanted to have you here today? Well you win the week every day for me joy so you know we we love we love how oh you are. We Love Your Crown and and we thank you for taking up that space but again none of us is here to simply occupy space. We're here to create it and I'm very humbled that we were able to do that this week. You're incredibly brave. And I want to also talk about the other piece of what you are doing politically glee because you have come forward as a supporter of Senator Elizabeth Warren and her run for president. And you're going to be out on the stump for her talk a little bit about out that absolutely I've been out of the stump for her. This is really just a continuation of what is a nearly decade long a close friendship and partnership in good Elizabeth is my friend. She is my senator. She is my partner. We have worked on so many issues. Together including Consumer Consumer Protection for those who have been victimized by for profit colleges and universities participating in predatory and Deceptive Business Practices Susan Marketing supporting surviving family members who have lost loved ones to do this public health crisis Napa dynamic that has gun violence so my being a CO chair for her campaign rain a one of three historic women deb Holland and Katie Porter. One I think it's a testament to the Warren campaign but they leaned in and made that decision to have three Freshman Women Co chairs and I think that our co-chair ship does speak to the thing that I love most about. Elizabeth Policy is my love language and she has introduced a Policy and plans that are about two things power and then intersection analogy. None of us live in big check boxes. We live in new ones wants in complexity and intersection -ality and you see this reflected in her racial justice policies we see this in her. LGBTQ platform and disability really platform and again. These aren't set-asides. These are policy proposals that are wholly integrated so I've been forced states Elizabeth. I'm on my way to Iowa Imminently as the caucuses approach and I'm pleased to announce for the first time publicly. There'll also be making my way to South Carolina and I am bullied. I'm emboldened by hi. The deep divers multicultural multi generational coalition. That I see her building. Her ground game is strong. And that is how we take this White House back Pittsburgh out organizing the other side and it's my staying focused. Yeah you speak to this idea of intersection so beautifully so brilliantly but let me ask you a question that it's kind of come up and it's the thing now we're talking about do you think it's important in and of itself for America to have a president who was a woman and why. Why does that even matter? Yeah well I mean we all bring our own. Unique lived experiences as lawmakers to the job every day and gender is a big part of that we know that what we have diversity of perspective opinion and thought lived experience around the table of policy in the corridors of power and indeed at the highest office the Oval Office that you'll see that reflected in policies you know I know there are some that would argue that identity. Politics is ruining our country That's not true. Hate white supremacy are ruining our country not identity politics. There's power the identity of a survivor. There's power in the identity of being a woman there's power in the identity of being a black woman. There's power in the identity of being a person living with a disability. I want someone that is going to be responsive. I want someone people talk about. Elizabeth being an extraordinary educator professor but she's a better student and that's what this country country deserves is someone that will actively listen lean in and then respond with policy. And I've been in proximity to her for a decade. I've see her seen her. Do that in church basements a Big Stages and in gymnasiums and I want a president that is going to bring their identity but also actively lean into the identities of all those and make sure that we are response is it through our policies to ensure that everyone can heal and can thrive and we have a more equitable ingest country. Well I had a president congresswoman IANNA Presley first of all you look like a gorgeous what Kinda Warrior and you are beautiful and you are. You are making it fabulous. You Look Great. Congratulations thank thank you and also thank you for always encouraging black girls to vote because I know black girls voted something a passion that we both share that organization. So thank you for all that you do. Thank you joy see so thank you have a great day more after the break. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good could you just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twenty first century. What modernity was to the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions questions about economic justice. Everything that you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with gas uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal title. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts?

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