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Break The Rules #95: Breaking Free from Mold & Mycotoxin Illness with Dr. Jill Crista

Break The Rules

43:51 min | 11 months ago

Break The Rules #95: Breaking Free from Mold & Mycotoxin Illness with Dr. Jill Crista

"Welcome to break the rules. We Dr Lauren Lacks podcast dedicated, quieting the noise and the health food and fitness world. Dr Lauren is leading nutritionist therapist and Functional Medicine Practitioner on a mission to help others thrive in their own lives, mind, body and soul. And now your host Dr Lauren Madden's. Hello, hello hello. Another addition other vegetables podcast talk about widening the noise in the health and fitness, world and today Super Palm to be talking about one of my favorite topics with someone that I really admire respect in this field as well, but talking about multiplicity and mold, illness and design. It's very near, and dear to my own heart in a journey that I did not see going down on over the past couple years in something that really. opened my eyes to the fact that there's over ten million people that are wrestling with mold. Or have been impacted in May. Not even actually know it in today. We're GONNA. Be Talking a Dr Jill Krista. WHO IS NATIONAL DOCTOR IN BESTSELLING author? Her was nationally recognized health educator unrolled related illness, and she helps people recover their health after great in part to her own inspiration as well, experience is always the best teacher and Joe. Thanks so much for coming on and if you could. Introduce yourself and talk a little bit. About what are you doing the work? You're doing in the world today. Thank you for inviting me onto your podcast. It's really an honor to be sharing with you how I got into this world was I am in southern Wisconsin, and that is lime endemic region. We have a lot of cases. Alignment Wisconsin because of course. If you didn't go Wisconsin, you're thinking of woods, deer and I was working with these line. Patients is the nature ethic doctor, which dislike functional medicine practitioners. You work to find the cause and then treat the cause and. And typically when we do that, people get better. You have a motivated patient. It's really them helping themselves. Get better than I had this subset of lyme patients that were just stuck. Sort of my cardinal thing of lyme disease is if I did reasonable recommendations. They did the work. You know even eighty percent of the work and we're doing all the reasonable things and people just weren't responding in the way that my other patients were responding. That's when I start to think. I, wonder, this is lime disease and now when that happens. I think I wonder if this is lime or both. In one of those patients, they found Black Mauldin his home and that was really the opening of this Pandora's box of mold for me. Because I from naturopathic medicine. Part of our training is environmental medicine. So I had some appreciation that mold was more than what the CDC defines it as which is what I call spor illness, these they illnesses related to our interaction with spores. We usually. Usually think of Mall Texas city as Allergy, which is going to be like Hayfever, sinusitis, asthma, irritable lungs. That kind of thing, but I did have an idea that it was bigger than that that it affected the gut and the nervous system I didn't really appreciate. How extensively until I got into the research for this patient, and when that happened in this cruelly, Pandora's box opened up. I realized I was missing mold in so many other patients, and in almost all of the quote, unquote stuck lime patients we found mold was a key contributor to their health issues, and that open my mind like crazy, and then of course after working a time with these patients sort of developing my protocol as life does, it says okay. We need to motivate you to write a book to help. Other people have mauled happened in your house. Yeah, I keep saying to my angels. I'm like really don't need to be the patient. I'm sorely compassionate person. I'm compassionate. Enough I can really feel for these people, but the universe has its own way of doing that. Happened in our own house. As I described my book this whole Cook of Frog concept that toxins that are. It takes a building of your toxic load. And as we were closing up, as been foreseen scenario or closing up our house for winter, they moved in in the summer as we closed it up slowly and slowly and slowly the toxin load started to increase an increase in increase and I think with mall does that it can cause almost any symptom in an all almost anybody system. So we didn't recognize it things that were pre existing Hannah gop worse and add that to the fact that the diagnosing doctor who is living in the house me was getting brain fog fatigue, confusion decision making problems. I didn't see it happening. So in the flood revealed itself to us I knew it was mauled, and I got right on my protocols. I knew. Knew what to do, and I could put my kids on an even. Our dog put on to Merick, so we had all these tools and I thought oh my goodness. I feel very duty-bound to share this. Because I knew exactly what to do on site identified intrigue at the cause are identified the cause, so that was the origin of the book and. When you write a book. A lot of people wanna come see as a patient and there just aren't enough mold literate doctors out there, so I have an online training course for doctors to try to expand. That how many people are literate in old and so many times, I've heard from functional medicine doctors, even nature, big doctors, chiropractors social workers. They're saying I didn't realize how much I was missing mauled until I took your course and now I see it in so many of my chronically ill patients or clients. As a practitioner probably about five years, intimate journey is really never on my radar. It's like something you heard. Have people check a box on an intake forum? Like? Have you ever lived in a multi home or do you see mold in your bedroom and a lot of people check no. Talk a bit about just be stats. The lay of the land of how prevalent role is because as you mentioned it can present, does where probably is not a first inkling that someone is living in mold. Have Mold in their body. Right well. That's what I get asked a lot. Is that people that know me really well and knew that I was dealing already with complex chronic illness patients I was dealing with. Maldini is working with a mold inspector building inspector, and we would go visit. These patients houses, so I was really versed in this, they say. How did you buy a house ahead a mold problem? Always that happening to you and that's the big message is that it doesn't have to stink like Malta. It doesn't have to smell musty mildew, e anything like that in our personal case and I think in the case of a lot of mysterious mold. It's that if that mold is trapped behind building materials. The toxins that mold making to defend its territory, these recalled micro-toxins Bacon. Move right through those building materials into our indoor air, and we don't have a smell or assent to tell us that there's something wrong, but we do have symptoms that tell us something is wrong, and that's what I'm on a mission right now to really expand the definition of mold illness past what I'm calling spore illness, you know the CDC defined mold. Mold illness to add in the other two factors and mold that make us very sick and in my personal patient base, seventy five to eighty percent of the symptoms are due to these toxins and chemicals, and not to the Sports, necessarily that spores are going to be more classic mold allergy, so the incidents I think is quite a bit larger than we think it is that we're tracking because we're tracking by testing spores. And spores in an environment and I think that that's really missing the boat. Really need to add in looking at the micro-toxins, because if there is a water damaged area, there's going to be mold, and there will be multiple species of mold typically, and there will also be bacteria, and they're all fighting with each other for that beautiful lakefront property that they found inside that built environment with no controls. If you come into an outdoor environment where mold is natural, there are controls that keep it part of a healthy community like sunshine like wind and breeze like the underlying fungal maseela underneath the soil. That's keeping things imbalance. Few get into built environment. That's disconnected from the controls. Keep mold from growing out of control and from behaving badly so. You'll get bacterial endotoxins micro-toxins so right now the the otas estimating over twenty five percent of all buildings have been effected enough to grow toxic mold have had water, damage or humidity issues that are significant or sufficient enough to grow toxic mold while I'm not a shoemaker train doc. If you look at Dr Shoemakers Own Studies, they're finding that number probably is more like fifty percent, or maybe even more when you start to look at the multiple species in the micro-toxins. I would definitely guests that I think a beautiful and not so great thing mold created for myself was becoming a canary in so being able to go into buildings despite my nose really know like if it is a clean build or not in yeah, just send a recent moves probably over forty different homes, just renting, not just departments either free standing homes in. Are just walkout. Don't even need a mole tester. mycotoxin touched for that, but to the average person. It may not smell like that I'm just really sensitive in my journey. Talk a little bit about how mycotoxin aren't necessarily with the negative vie, and really how and where they? Yeah so again thinking of mold illnesses, spor fragment, toxin and chemical, so it's got those most multiple facets as I'm listening. No, no I'm listening those in size so spores the biggest, and they can get into our respiratory passages in generally we have enough mucus there and things to kind of cough those out or clear, those sport fragments wins four gets broken up if it's like a a past problem, but But somebody says Oh let me clean up this ugly mauled, and they break it up into these ultra fine particles that are more like festus than us, for those can go deeper in toward lungs, and they can kinda lodge their cause, permanent lung irritation, and then there's these other two things, the chemical and the Mycotoxin, which are a little different whenever mold is growing, metabolize ailments, making just normal exhaust. When I jokingly called Farts, you know it's just the exhaustive metabolism, so it's eating and metabolising and then off gassing, and that's things like alcohol aldehydes. His so a lot of times, people who've been exposed to mold become chemically toxic because they've become chemically sensitive because they're chemically toxic, they've been taking on all of these metabolic off gassing from mold, but then the micro-toxins are a defensive measure from the mauled that it will only make of. It feels like it's trying to protect its property or its area or its community, so there are other types of fungus or `bacterial things that want to take advantage of that. Then it's spits out. These huge micro-toxins to those are the smallest they're not. Not a living thing, but they're ultra small chemicals, and they can move through building material there fifty times smaller than the smallest spore, they can also get really deep into our lung tissue, and that's why I listed those in the order of the biggest thing to the smallest thing because the smallest thinking get right in through our lungs, and now indoor blood system into our fat stores into the fatty organs of our body, and the reason is that these are fat soluble, so as you know a regular person, you fat soluble and you think. Love handle fat booty fat that kind of thing, but what a practitioner here's is bone marrow brain, gi, lining skin organs, detoxification lining of every cell lining of every might Qendra. These are so small. These micro-toxins can seep into all of those places, and you can accumulate an accumulate and accumulate, and that's where it gets really scary and dangerous for people you know as a mold canary. You may know now that Oh, every time I walk into a multi building. It's ear, ringing or something goofy. That is unique to you. It may not have anything to do with having a reaction to the spore on those micro-toxins can accumulate just like they do in us. They can accumulate in the materials inside the building. Particularly things that are more natural because that's its job is to. Decompose and recycle the natural waist on the planet. So if you look at it from a mold standpoint, if it comes into a built environment, it sees cut wood, paper books, leather couches. These are all things that have been used to be alive are no longer alive, and it says oh I've got work to do here, and it's going on on decomposing and metabolising your space and your body. On a shopping trip with target because I literally will smell a lot of different sermon of bringing. Lot Of. Things that I. Take back-end reactivation of while I was in the middle of Kinda like detoxing remolding out of the home that I lived in for about two years. Where dot release feeling pretty by. But I was living remains at the time had a new roommate. The roommate was adults order and had brought in just a bunch of. That got circulated in the air the. IS DEAD AND SO I. Just had a flare in had the end up moving out because the home became contaminated. That may sound extreme some of the listeners. But that's how sensitive the body can become just with. Exposure Taco little bit about links of Y. One person would these are susceptible than the other two girls in that house were totally fine and like what? Right. Yeah, so there are genetic susceptibilities. Hla expression are called the dreaded jeans. If you have like a certain, a number of expressions on certain cells, I have not found that to be something that determines of a person can or cannot get better. It definitely determines how heavy handed we have to be with protecting their body from micro-toxins, and it has seemed to be something where to get the person's resiliency back to where they can be exposed and not get sick from it. That's usually where the H. l.. L. A. Expression makes a difference. But you nailed it with the methylation that that is seemed to be more important on how sick and how long it takes, somebody is dependent on whether they are good detoxifiers or not, and so that genetic piece is a piece of it's not a massive determining. It's just a piece what I've also seen. Really important is someone's nutritional status, so if they're coming from another biotoxin type illness like lime and co-infections stealth infections, there are other biotoxins from other critters like mycoplasma. If? They're already pre existing without it sets the stage for them to be more inflammation. Be more sensitive to mold exposure and mycotoxin exposure. I've also seen people that just nutritionally. They had a standard American diet, so the some nutritional components that I see really lead to more susceptibility, our diets deficient in good fats included I on so that would be like our brass Casey family and people that are deficient in just the colors all the bioflavonoids, so people that aren't really. Really eating their vegetables when your mother told you to eat your vegetables protecting you for mauled, so it's not just a good idea. It's a colonel thing to help your resiliency against these things that are so toxic rain I'm given the fact that one in ten Americans actually eats the number of vegetables that has recommended just by even the the USDA guidelines could be three servings. One in ten people are getting on being also primarily potatoes and tomatoes leading the way. On the best of all so I think definitely, that's a great talk. A little bit of health digestion auctioned bacteria I know in my case, I had years of chronic. Eating disorders dot made me a wonderful candidate for Yeah, gut function is so important. You know if you talked to any nature pathologically trained Dr. they're like it all starts in the gut, and then it goes the like gut liver gut liver, we really. Kind of the guy, 'cause. Oregon and helping out. Yeah, absolutely so the function is so important because it is where the bulk of our immune system rides, it's where our neuro transmitters that help us manage, not only are mood, but the neurotransmitters are also their key communication molecules, so they keep everybody knowing what the other system is doing so one thing we know about multi talks in so the micro-toxins they are toxic to certain predictable organ systems so nervous system immune system GI system organs of detoxification skin even down to the jeans. So think about that if you're a mall. If you're a perfect weapon, you said these are made into bio weapons, yes? Yes, they. Are there also made into chemo? They're very effective killers. They're also made into antibiotics. So if you were going to create like a perfect toxin took destroy the gut, it would be a mycotoxin, because it's able to reduce the immunity of the gut, so it can knock down where you know exactly where most of our our immune system resides, and it can degrade the linings can cause league got so you can get more toxins into the body, and it can rewire you at the gene level to make sure that your immune system doesn't target it as an offender, I mean it's amazing when you think about that. I didn't mention nerves so when we see CBO as a result of a multiplicity, not always as a result of mold, but commonly it makes a Lotta sense because now what we've done is we've cause inflammation GI lining. We've winnowed away of that mining, so you get the leaky gut. We have taken a nerve toxin in that area and impaired gut. motilal eighty, says the perfect setup for a CBO situation it's. It's in the upper intestine, and it's a perfect setup for Candida. Overgrowth in the lower intestine, because of all those same factors mauled and yeast and fungal features loved grow where their stasis whether there's non movement, and so that's exactly what it does that go goes in, and says okay well, then let's slow this tube down so that we get a little time to over grow and leak into the tissues. Chocolate about just different BIOS of folks owed beyond just like in the center of your your gut. things like your lung biopsy. Your skin bio where people the breaking could be a behind them maybe. Why the brain gut connection really is why brain fog happens the talk a little bit about just how and spread beyond gut issues like constipation bloating the Yes. Yes, I think what you're getting at. Is this concept of colonization which is a little bit controversial and we don't really have a lot of human studies to be able to say this is definitely what happens. Happens. When someone is exposed to mold, because first of all everyone is an individual, so everyone is going to react a little differently to this, but there are these different biomass than I think you're right I. Think we're GONNA. Find It. There's a brain by on. There's definitely a sign you buy on there so bio of the sinuses. It's different than the oral mucosal. Mucosal the mouth you can put different things in the mouth, and you can put in the sinuses that you can put in the lungs therapeutically, so of course that would mean that there's different critters and characters managed a happy microbiome of that region, and we see a lot with all the different expressions of being sick for mold often, they're some kind of skin thing. Thing, so, of course there's a skin microbiome. There's a bladder microbiome. There's vaginal microbiome so this concept of colonization. This is just the way I see it in the way that I've been treating bald and how I've come at my protocol is my understanding of colonization in this way, and it may be wrong, but it's been working treatment. Wise, so someone else wants to. Find The science to straighten me up. That's great, but. The idea here is that when you've been exposed to a water damage building. Something gets triggered inside of your body, and there's this continuum of mold illness that can start from just having that having your own Sinus by and got him noticed that these toxins are there and start to boost the immune system a little bit and start to boost the detoxification strategies. If you have a resilient body, you have all the nutrients you need to rally for that. That moment and you have extra immune system available. You have a backup battery Kinda pull from an rallied to handle that people that don't have that move into the next phase of that continuum, which is where now they're starting to get depleted as you get depleted, and you're continuing to be exposed to these micro-toxins now your own sinus biomass starts to act like a pathogenic biofilm. We see in studies that if you did nasal washing of healthy people and sick people, people sick from all the healthy people have the same critters characters in their sinuses, and in their lungs in their gut as the sick people meaning we can find Aspergillus in the sinuses of a healthy person, but the difference. Is that the sick people? Those aspergillus are now making micro-toxins and they're not. Not acting like a resident than a passer through, and so that's where that idea of colonization is that you start first by your own flora, saying oh we're at threat. We need to start defending our territory, and then eventually that pathogenic biofilm from that water damage building. Move into your body in all of the places. You have a normal by him, said that can be skin sinuses. Sinuses Gut, and all the other tissues lungs that we just talked about, and that's part of my protocol. Is that we do need us some level of Antifungal and I know you. Dr Nathan on his of the same mind and help train me that the Antifungal are really important to reset that microbiome in all of these spaces to really be able to have cleaner sleet. Yes. Yes clean slate and resilience, because if if it's literally just being exposed to a water damage, building mycotoxin can set off someone's illness. Then you want to make sure that you've moved all the way down that continuum reeling back reeling it back it back so that you can be a mold canary like you, or you can sense it, but you don't have to be sick from it. Will kind of talk about the steps where a person finding like a heart test for mold, inner body, and perhaps the environment. And then like what to do for their rate, and then kind of what that continuum looks like as his all the questions from up doing it right in my stops. How long does this last but of like testing to start? How does a person know odds mold in body or related some of their conditions? That is a really good question. Because that's a constantly moving target like I said, we don't have enough human studies to say you know. That's why it's gone unrecognized for so long because we haven't had a great way to test the expanded version of mauled, so we have good ways to test for mold allergy. You can do an I. G E test, and it's a blood test, and if you're reacting then you have a mold allergy and you need to stay away from Malt. Okay, but as I said yeah, that's GONNA probably be fifteen percent of the population that is actually mold sick, because the rest of the mold, sick people are reacting to their micro-toxins, so there are a few different ways that we can look at indicators at the body is struggling with mauled, and there are really simple cheap ways to do that. A complete blood count as a CBC. It's really inexpensive. We can see things like low, white count and iron deficient anemia. Em peer complete metabolic. We might look at liver, enzymes or liver enzymes can be risen with mold. Exposure is again. Think about it as a toxin exposure, the liver is going to have to kick up. It's detoxification capacities, and you can see an increase in those liver enzymes and particularly G. G. T., which is usually associated with being an alcoholic. Breathing water air from a water damage building actually mimic alcoholic symptoms. Because think about it, you know alcohol's from East. So you know it's the same kind of chemical of happily living Maldives is spitting out these alcohols into the air, and we can look at other just little hint things on different regular bloodwork. If we're looking at someone's cholesterol, starting to rise, we don't know why and they're eating a perfect diet because cholesterol is trying to pillow and protect you from the inflammation. That mold is causing. See start seeing. Seeing increase the bad cholesterol, and so those are the little like hints and then Dr Shoemaker has a whole panel of things that looks for markers of inflammation and degradation of certain control factors for inflammation, so we might look at some of those typically I don't usually run those unless I am not understanding what's going on with a mold sick person? But once you understand what micro-toxins you can almost predict what's going to happen with a body? Body so yes, we see 'em P.. Go Up and some of those things, but those are just the things that usually someone's coming to already run. Because they saw another doctor, and they were looking for things, and a a non functionally trained Dr will look at those and say You might have a little bit of a white counter. Maybe you had a fever or something and just Kinda Pass it off and for me. Those are important little. Little data points because I'm looking at it functionally, and then there's urine mycotoxin testing I? Use this a lot found. If we know, it's mold I usually don't test. Because then we can spend someone's money on treatment, and not on testing confirmed what we already know, but if we don't know then I like to use your mycotoxin testing as a way to understand you know maybe what particular micro-toxins we're dealing with and I can usually predict that. Through my research and animals, and like in my doctor course, I'd I list each mycotoxin that we can test for currently, and then were its affinities for the body, and usually we can kind of predict what we're GONNA. Find on your and mycotoxin based on symptoms, but not always there are some limitation of urine mycotoxin in that there are some distractions purposeful distractions that are put out there by insurance industry. That doesn't WANNA pay for. For people getting better, they are saying that if it's your mycotoxin positive, it's because they ate it so I try to reduce that argument by taking my patients off of the food that we know are commonly contaminated with micro-toxins and things that are actual fungus, and so if anybody's interested of your practitioner listening, you can get my prep sheet that just basically takes them off those foods, and then we can say no, not a factor. Then if we're seeing it, we know it's less likely a foodborne problem. The other problem with urine micro-toxins is it doesn't tell us. Is this now problem or past problem? If you understand colonization, the way that I do which Gannet it could be wrong, but I see people who are still sick for mauled, and they've been out of that Moldy Environment for twenty years, and I used to think it was because they moved all their stuff with them, but I think it really is because the bad environment of the building moved into their body, and they are now the sick building. So. That doesn't really help us figure out. Are they actively exposed to mulder? Not Is this past problem now problems that's when I bring in some money a certified Walden's vector to really assess their living environment or their work environment. That's when we start to ask about. What's going on in your environment? The other problem with micro-toxins is sometimes. It's an Chretien tests. Sometimes people are not strong enough to excrete, and so we might see something looking mild. And then as we get them healthier, they start to look worse on their lab. And that's really common, so usually wait to re-test that mycotoxin test for three months because things get messy in the beginning I found it to be a really useful way to look at someone's exposure either intrinsic or external, and I prefer the mass spec method. That's from Great Plains and vibrant wellness. This has been a test that we're still trying to figure out what the confounding factors are and I I'm. In contact with the labs all the time to ask them to please do this testing. I, don't doubt the the accuracy of their method. What I doubted the accuracy of what we are doing our patients before we have them take the test. You know. Do you provoke with Bluetooth I honor, don't you? Do you put them in a sauna or don't you? Do you have exerciser? Don't you know there's all these things that could be changing those results? And so? I'm hoping that the labs will do some studies and tell us as clinicians what we should be doing, and so I think that that comes down to a read of you with your patient. If they're a super weak depleted patient, you need to do something to rally the blood to go around to the body. Pick up all the toxin and. And then dump it and so sauna the night before is a really common provoker that Al us to try to see. What are the stories in the body and Ken. The body actually get rid of this and another one is a natural killer cell function test I learned this from Dr. Joseph Breuer, who is another mold training dock, and he uses this to really identify who are those among his patient population that have enough immune deficiency that they are now. Calling is the point where they're carrying that sick building with them and they need direct sinus treatment. Those are just some data points. Yeah the starting place, but is good for folks to know that typically your committee. Go to your general practitioner. They look at you like you have a third I. Say you WANNA test from. Providence as vern allergy of mold of anything. Do some blood where. And it's just a hundred percent different, and you know something. That I kind I felt so much better outside like even. Like a lot of times when there'd be like quote, unquote mold in the air outside or Season like I just felt way worse than a home that had more mold than like filling works. Fresh air sign that to be like. Comparing apples to oranges as far as the outdoor molds comparatively to our indoor molds. Yes, I think it's very common that people feel better outdoors than than in a moldy environment, definitely and I think it's because there are some things we know that can neutralize mycotoxin. Sunshine is one of those, so I think that while the sport count might be high, the mycotoxin count may not be and again. Spores won't make micro-toxins unless defensive like they feel like they're at risk, so I think that the outdoor malls are just more peaceful and I don't think they're making as many toxins as they endure molds to great thought. Lovely. I mean we all feel happier outside. And the reasons that you know if if you think about mall, it doesn't want to be unhappy either. It doesn't want to be creating toxins, yeah! Once a person find out you know I. Do have mould kind of briefly. I knew you have an amazing book that will link in the show sped like what would a typical treatment look like? And then? How long does it take a person? Do you find typically to release are feeling better. That's an gas. Like how long is it going to take until I start at least like you know seeing a lot of weight, loss or my? Skin, clearing up or I can breathe again breathing my number one thing that I struggle with talk a little bit of what the trajectory looks like. Yeah if we know, it's mold, you know. We talked about how to diagnose it now that we know it's mall. There are some steps that I learned from working with patients through the through the years that I made a Lotta. Mistakes thinking. Oh, it's fungus. That's just kill it with Antifungal. Lime made people really sick if I. There and I was trained by Dr. Walter Cornea in the first three steps of any toxic exposure are avoidance avoidance avoidance. Get so important that it takes up the first three steps if somebody is not getting out of mauled and I. Know Dr Nathan mentioned this to on your podcast. They have to get away from the mold. Which might mean remediate? It might mean a break from your living space, and then you know getting things either put in plastic. Then you deal with it as you get stronger whatever way that works for you, you have to get out of that water damage, building exposure or remediate that exposure, but for me, avoidance also means certain foods I've seen that there are certain foods that are kind of in three categories that make people worse, either they are actual fungus mushrooms, and Kombucha again a lot of flack for taking people off culture, or they are things that we know are commonly contaminated with micro-toxins. So that's going to be. Be Your grains, corn, soy peanuts, or they're things that can increase the growth of Candida or fungal in the body. Not Everybody was mauled, has Candida and not everyone can dita's because of mold I mean some people have candidate because of they've been put on an antibiotic and I put a parenthesis. There I remember a lot of antibiotics, Michael micro-toxins said they have a crappy diet. They're going through menopause and they're having hormone change. There's lots of things that can cause a candida overgrowth the commonly. We see that as a CO growth overgrowth when you have been exposed to mold, said then things like Swedes baked goodies, fruit juices that kind of stuff, so I add those to my avoidance list, and then there's a lot of really good research on using saccharomyces full already for getting rid of Candida. An I have found that sacrificies can make a multi person feel worse, even though all the research shows that it can bind micro-toxins, and it helps kick out candy from the body and do all these wonderful things I've found that with my patient population. If we add SACCHAROMYCES, balladeer any other yeast, it continues to send. Send the message that there are other fungal things that want to come in and embiid your environment, so I typically have my patients of Boyd that in the phase of avoidance to make sure that we're not adding to the problem, the disannul mushroom same thing statins, statins are micro-toxins, h., m., g.. Koei reductive is a mycotoxin that we get it from, so you know some of those things. Are there other ways that we could be managing the high cholesterol that doesn't involve adding mycotoxin damage to the body. So that's what I include in avoidance as well also. Some hobbies you know like a classic is a guy who. Muslim toxic patient, and then also as Abreu master, so he's getting. Exposure all the time and always felt worse at work, so he had to reveal that back in and work on ways for him to do what he was doing from a different environment, so those are all the avoidance things, so the sort of five methods that I use is I avoid its second. The fundamentals third protect the body for repair the body from. From, the micro-toxins, and then fifth, do the fight, and really knock back the fungal burden in the body so avoidance being the key thing, if that is not one hundred percent done well, people struggle more I. Get the question all the time you know. How long does it take to you? Know You I'm sure you get like you said question a lot and And I always say well. It depends on how hundred percent we are on the avoidance piece. If people really take hold of the fact, that mold and we've got to take charge of this, which is really hard to do when you're fatigue, brain fog, they start to feel better in its little as three months. It can be as little as three months that. That you see some light at the end of the tunnel. Even just getting your brain clear, but it usually doesn't happen sooner than that. Unfortunately, because again we accumulate these toxins, so it's an everywhere every fatty tissue in our body. We have accumulated these things so by doing the fundamentals, which is that second step? We start to help the body to handle. The tissues that those micro-toxins are lodged in they start to melt those toxins out of the tissues, and so that's five to seven servings of vegetables. But the majority of them, being non starchy, every color of the rainbow, because every color band has a different affinity in the body, so if you're not really good about eating certain color band, take it as a supplement, so we know that if you look at of course in capsule, it's like bright yellow while okay. If you're not really good at getting onions, the onions make you sick. 'cause you devout sulfate issues because of your multi society than take that one as a supplement so the. The fundamentals are really important for helping to neutralize the toxin and the other part of fundamentals for me is good fats. You understand that micro-toxins are fat soluble toxin. We have to dilute the doctor. Carney annoy said the solution to pollution is dilution, so we have to dilute that with fat, not which is more water, but with good fats, because then we're deluding out the fatty tissues of our body, and getting those toxins mobilized, and the thing that we use a lot for that as Bil-. And I think you know we talked about. I'm bile of file. Own Vile people don't appreciate. It's the underappreciated audie fluid. I think it has all these digestive functions, but it has all these also non Gi things that it does for us. So. Bile is the thing that is carrying the toxin out of the body to be bound up in the gut, and then pooped out. We also can urinate Mycotoxin, so that's a different pathway, but bile helps us to not only increase our immune cells inside the lumine so inside the intestine. You're making good bile. You have a higher seecretary. Because it induces seecretary G. and that's one of our main immune soldiers on the inside of our gut file also recruits new cells to move from the back to the front in the intestinal lining, so they moved to the front line, so Bil- induces that migration of getting Tara sites or the cells at the lining the intestine to move toward the intestine and rebuild your barrier, so you can get a new area and a new mucous lining, so it has those kind of really reliable wonderful gut things, but it also is a key component of our retina, so lot of people talks. Talks to city have vision changes. Bile is also really important during our corona virus times, because it's a critical component of something called surfactant, and that is a component that lines are lungs and protects our lungs by keeping our lungs able to exchange gases that keeps it inflated so to speak, but surfactant also has its own immune activity in the lungs. It tags pathogens again. It's very similar action in the got. It will migrate these macrophages and things that will chew up viruses to the lining of the lungs and defend you, so it's so important that leaves. You know moldy are really. Multi people I refer to as Maltese. They need to be really careful that they're getting enough things that are moving bio to protect themselves their lungs, and also from the micro-toxins that they might be dealing with especially if their home is where it's making them sick, because now we're all sheltering in place so that talks burden can be really high, so bidders bidders bidders betters in your diet. Yes, digestive banners not commonly used a lot of people but I do you have any favorites that people could look I order a bureau gas a lot on. Oh, yeah online, but any that you people ought to. Yup So, Guy Herbs Has Swedish bidders. They're very tolerable as for safer children and wise woman herbals has bittersweet Elixir. That's another one that's just lovely and again at bitter orange essential oil, and they're just really helps with kids getting that down. quicksilver scientific has a great bitter. They have one. That's particularly good for women. Crocheted said you know the ladies like it, because I think that because we have more fat stores where accumulating more of these toxins, so bitter exits a really strong, bitter and I personally love bidders, probably because I need them, and that I just love that bitter acts, but I have other patients I like. Do you like bitter flavor or not like? Do you like rubella or not so start with? With the foods and the steep, your green tea for a shorttimer, a longtime, the people that do steep the longest they like that bidders people that really heavily roasted coffee coffee as a bidder, so if they're on that version of things that they eat in their diet than gopher, stronger bidders like a bitter axe. Yeah, which ironically maybe is why coffee makes people go to the bathroom, exactly yeah? Also is a parasol, says inducer right? Yeah, well, definitely be including Gills our website, which is what Dr Joe. Dr Chris Dot Com Spelled D. R. C. R. I S. T. A. Dot, com and I have a mold quiz on my website of somebody's listening like I wonder this could be me kind of a fun quiz because you get ask questions of things that you would normally associate with mall like ear ringing. Yeah I'm, GONNA take it. Well then he's so much for coming on, and we'll definitely making map with your work and continue to go out there. Break some rules and just make some noise in this world. Because it needs to be heard, thank you. Yeah, you're breaking the rules by breaking the Mall.

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Dr. Says: Eat cheese?

The Dr. Gundry Podcast

38:08 min | 1 year ago

Dr. Says: Eat cheese?

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari. Podcast the weekly podcast. Where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Welcome to the doctor country podcast. You know. There's nothing more than hearing from my listeners and readers and boy have I had a lot of questions about my yes and no list of foods particularly as I put out a new book and that lists changes so I get it. You know one egg replacer that I might have recommended two years ago. I might not recommend now because believe it or not formulas change without consulting me so what I said was a really great egg replacer a year ago that formula changed and I no longer recommend that. A replacer you know. I do try my best to keep the list updated. I assure you I am always looking for new food to add and I'm always looking for when somebody changes something and if we don't get to the question I will try to remind myself to talk about the changes that have been made in corn products. That's not corn. It's Hugh Hugh O. R. M. Because I have a lot of patients that asked me about that so the fundamentals of the Yes. No list actually hopefully never change now having said that you really smart readers. Careful readers may know that in the Doctor Gunnery Cookbook the original one. I cited a paper. That said Pecans might have electon that. In some people attack the pancreas and that same paper suggested that there is elected in Seaweed. That may be problematic. And it's well hidden in that book but every now and then alert reader will pick that up. So why haven't I taken Pecans and Seaweed off the list? Well stay tuned because in my upcoming book the Energy Paradox which will be out this coming fall. I have found through multiple food allergy testing in my patients. That pecans often often often. I would say seventy five percent of the time. Come up as a food that people are allergic to so stay tuned. They may be coming off the list. Also we have found that there is a lectern in spinach that can be problematic for certain individuals. Not Everybody and as I get more data from my patients remember. This is not conjecture on my part. This is data driven from patient. Blood work as more data comes in. We may issue a cautionary note on spinach. But for now. Don't don't throw the spinach away okay. So there's always going to be great food steep and they're probably always foods that you should avoid okay so there's always exceptions to the rule and we're gonNA talk about some of the exceptions okay. Francey S. I. Heavy tree nut allergy so the acceptable flowers on the list or out of my range of acceptability I am also vegetarian. So meats and chicken on the list are cannot be dairy is one of my protein. Staples any suggestions. Well there's certainly a lot of flowers on the list that are not nut. Base for instance tiger nuts are not or not at all. They are a tuber. Cassava is a tuber millet grain without a hall as sorghum and we're increasingly seeing sorghum and millet flours available on a routine basis and if worse comes to worse you can find them on Amazon. Or on thrive so. There's multiple other flowers other than almond and coconut flour. Most people don't react to almond coconut flour. But I'll add the proviso make sure it's blanched almond flour not whole almond flour for instance trader. Joe's does sell a whole ground up almond flour. And you can actually see the flex of Brown. A number of my patients with autoimmune disease. Do React to the Latin and the peel of almonds. That's why you actually don't see almonds on the approved Nutley's Marcona almonds which are peeled almonds are perfectly acceptable but in my way of thinking there's actually far better announced eat than almonds in terms of feeding gut bacteria and I've written about that in the long jetty paradox. That there's better choices okay. Dairy is one of my protein staples well dairy protein if you find casing a to milk products and they increasingly available That's a perfectly acceptable protein source You can get it from goats milk you can get it from goats cheeses you can get it from sheep cheeses. You can get cheap yogurt. Which is absolutely fantastic. Sheep and goat cheeses from Europe. No matter where they come from her safe and most cows in France Italy and Switzerland are a to producers as is Buffalo Mozzarella so make sure it says Bufalino Mozzarella either from Italy. There's also a company that we've talked about before from Ecuador called BU F. And you can find in a whole foods you can find it in actually multiple stores now and a true water. Buffalo milk is perfectly safe now. Having said that there are a number of people in my practice who when we do. Further testing do react to all the casings in milk and even way protein in milk. So if you notice that even if you're eating casing to melt products and you still have an issue whether it's irritable bowel whether it's mucus production than your one of those people where Melk is one of your off. Food's always remember. There's there's no human need for melt were we're the only animal that uses some other animals melt product. Well cats like it but that's We give it cats. They don't go milk a cow so milk is not essential for your good health. Also remember that while there may be cheeses aged cheeses that have really cool compound called Pollyanna means which appear to promote longevity milk. In general liquid. Milk has lots of insulin. Like growth factor to make baby cows or maybe goats or baby. Sheep grow quickly so I'd much rather you use the finished product of Melk like an age cheese or even a yogurt rather than the milk liquid itself. Okay hope that helps Robin Ass. Can you drink almond milk? Well you you can drink almond milk. I find it a little watery bland. I think there's actually a lot better products out there on the market now. I'm particularly fond of a combination of macadamia and coconut milk. S- that are available. There's some really I think sick delicious. Coconut Milk S- that are available. There are some combinations of almond and coconut. Melt that give you the thickness you want. And if you WANNA have some fun. Look for several of the products that are non dairy half-and-half which are often a mixture of Macadamia a or coconut or almond melts. And you're going to get more of a thicker texture for those but you can drink almond milk. Christiane asked what about honey? Is that on the S or no list. So you'll notice in the plant paradox. Family Cookbook. I do recommend a few recipes using a little bit of local. Honey you gotta remember. That honey is sugar. There's no other way of looking at it. And in general we have far too much sugar in our diet period. That being said if you use local honey. There is some interesting evidence that they contain Health benefiting properties including actually some interesting probiotics and even prebiotics. So it's not it's neither on the no or yes list because when I originally made the list if I put everything that everybody asked a question about It would take the entire book just to do the. Yes and no list so rather than put at one place or another. It wasn't a big thing that my patients were demanding. And so I just left it off the list. One way or another but yeah honey does appear. You'll notice in several of my recipes but do try to get local honey and you know again. Support your local. Beekeeper support your local farmers market. And that's where you're gonNA find local honey and please don't make the mistake that local hunt. So for instance. I live in Palm Springs. My local honey is not from Orange County. It's from Palm Springs Same Way if I'm in Santa Barbara and my other home I buy site Santa Barbara Honey. Do I use it quite frankly? I almost never use on except to make one of these recipes. Rosa's am I correct in understanding. That much of the no list is perfectly fine if pressure cooked. She's specifically looking at squash keen while rice lentils the answer in a general rule is yes There are there is evidence that pressure cooking destroys most leptons. The exception to the rule listed on the list is gluten which is present in wheat. Rye and barley cannot be destroyed by pressure cooking. It is a really nasty protein. That can't be broken apart by pressure cooking having said that there is a protein in oats that mimics gluten and so. I've had a number of my canaries Test even pressure cooking oats for an hour and they still react to oats. So you'll notice that that's on the off. I have a number of people who still want to maintain their traditional diet. Their family diet and that includes lentils and for instance keen one and they do extremely well by pressure cooking their keenum. In fact interesting just this past week I have a family who have keen one. And they pressure cooked they're keen one or thriving on that and they invited their in laws over to have pressure cocaine Wa and the in laws said. There's no way we're coming over. That's not how you Cook Kina and you know you're gonNA make some regular stuff for us and they actually didn't and they fed their family. The pressure cooking. What man he said. You're not going to believe this. My in-laws actually said why didn't you tell us about this before? This is so much better than the way. We've been preparing it so true story from just this past week as you know in the plant paradox. I write about a woman who emigrated to La from Peru and wanted to continue her traditional diet which included keen one She developed some impressive bowel issues. Autoimmune disease and humorously her mother two weeks before her appointment with me flew from Peru and basically said you stupid girl. Didn't I tell you you have to pressure pressure cookie nwe and she took her to bed bath beyond and bought her a pressure cooker and when? I met her She said you know my mother would be you to me. And ever since she's been pressure cooking or keen while she is resolved issues so these are real things white boss mighty rice. I personally feel is the safest of the rices. Please pressure cook it. And as you've read even with with any of the starches you're best off to pressure. Cook them. Put a little coconut oil in the pressure cooker with these starches but then cool the starch. Put it in the refrigerator. And then reheat it the next day cooling. We'll take any of the starches and increase their resistant. Starch content what resistant starch means for those of you who are just kind of getting into this. It is resistant to normal digestion. So it takes longer to digest number one and number two some of it. Actually resists are normal digestion and then is eaten by bacteria in our gut so it becomes a prebiotics. Now we can get really nerdy on resistant starches but really nerdy potatoes. Good old white potatoes can be made a resistant starch but the starch in potato is actually in our to starch and it is actually eaten by bad bacteria rather than good bacteria so it's another reason to avoid potatoes even if you're going to pressure cook them now. I do have some of my patients that have to have their white potatoes and MASH POTATOES. And yes we have them. Peel the potatoes and pressure. Cook them. But if you're looking for a starch that's good for you. That's way down the list. Okay so let's take a quick break. Hey everybody it's doctor here and I've got some very exciting news right now. You can sign up for Dr Countries newsletter as a subscriber you'll get updates about new episodes of the doctor country podcast where we talk about all things. Health Trust me. You won't want to miss out. Also keep you in the loop of all the things. I'm up to from news to events special appearances visit. Www DOT DR dot com to sign up. Okay Sherry S. How do you ensure adequate potassium intake on the Diet? The Nana's are a staple for me to ensure appropriate potassium levels. I know sweet. Potatoes are a good source but so one has to remember that the United Fruit Company who originated bringing bananas to the United States had to make people adopt to a new foods. Sort of one the fascinating things about about bananas that I hope everyone knows that bananas were the original fruit that could be picked green and then shipped across the country and then ripened with either exposure to air or ripen rapidly with exposure to the gas. Ethylene oxide so that was the motivation for making bananas. A desired food source. So how'd you make people eat bananas when they don't know anything about it in the early nineteen hundreds? The United Fruit company paid doctors to tell people that bananas were a great source of potassium. That people need in their diet. It turns out the potassium. 's that potassium is not particularly high in bananas? In fact there are far better foods including leafy Greens that have far more potassium per outs Dan Bananas but it was this marketing plan over one hundred years ago. That actually made people doctors to this day. Tell People Eat Bananas for potassium? Incidentally the United Fruit company formed with the new founded kelloggs cornflakes company in nineteen o six to have a coupon for a bunch of Jakisa bananas in every box of Kelloggs. Cornflakes and doctors were paid to tell people that the healthy way to start. Your Day was with a bowl of kelloggs cornflakes with a slice banana. So that's why you know now I. My mom gave me a healthy sliced banana on my kelloggs cornflakes every day. While I was growing up and while I was getting allergy shots little did I know little. Did she know that's because of the power of marketing and is anyone who learns if you say an untruth often enough and loud enough it will become the truth? How's that okay also? Calcium is a concern so most of the world two thirds of the world cannot drink milk because of lactose intolerance they did not inherit the mutated gene that allows most European ancestry to tolerate lactose. Many of us don't have the particular lactobacillus by can digest. Lactose easily to the world does not use calcium does not take calcium as a supplement the FDA has warned that in general we should not take calcium in a supplement form that we should get calcium which is an essential mineral from food and so it's incredibly available in all of our green leafy vegetables. It's actually President Avocados to a very good amount. It's present in millet and sorghum. It is president and beans and people have to understand I have nothing against beans and lentils as long as you pressure cook them they are a great source of a prebiotic fiber. But just take the time to detoxify the electives by pressure cooking. And it's so easy to do. If you don't WanNa do that you can go to your friendly store and pick up Eden brand beans. I have no relationship with them. E. D. E. N. and they are the only being that I have found that his pressure cooked in the Cam. It's pre soaked and the beep a lie. There is no BP lining in eating beans and believe it or not. I have a shelf full of eating beans in both of my pantries and I eat them. So whoever puts out on the Internet you know I am totally against beans. That's not true I eat them. Maybe I'll post a video meeting beans. That'll be good okay. I'll look for that bottom line. How does one ensure the right vitamin and mineral balance? So if you eat a wide range of different different starches different routes you will maintain an adequate balance one of the things that has been noted over and over and over again. Is that our soil? Even our organic soil is terribly depleted of magnesium and selenium. How do you get when you're one of the easiest ways is to buy a bag of Brazil nuts and he three Brazil nuts day? That will get you your daily requirement of Selenium and. Actually they're pretty good for you. Magnesium on the other hand is really difficult to get by eating food and I have every one of my patients on a magnesium supplement. I particularly like potassium magnesium aspartame eight. There are several companies that manufacture it. Look for the most you can get per tablet or capsule the labeling is very inconsistent if you have any issues with cramps in your legs cramps particularly at night. Or if you're doing a Kita genyk diet you absolutely. Positively must supplement with potassium magnesium aspartame. And it's actually one of the better tolerated. Combinations of magnesium at high dose magnesium will act as a diarrhea or Saas tool inducing agent. Milk of Magnesia is concentrated magnesium so those are the chew two really fundamental minerals that may be lacking in our diet because of our soil. Depletion SHELLY ASS. I love Avocados but in the last five years or so. I have extreme gut pain when I eat them in have eliminated them for my diet. This diet seems to rely heavily on Avocados so I am wondering I am having a problem with them. And what other options do I have? So I have several patients who clearly react to Avocados and some of them actually seemed to develop an intolerance for them the longer they eat them. So I think Avocados or one of the greatest fruits there is and yes on. Avocado is a fruit. It's a single seeded berry but on the other hand. If you see that there is a food that you react to. It's you know like the old doctor job doctor. You know whenever I do this. I get a headache and the answer is well. Don't do that and so if you notice you react. Avocados don't do it. I can tell you. I have a number particularly women who get irritable bladder from eating spinach. And they notice it universally and I can tell you. I have purposely overloaded myself on spinach anti induced irritable bladder myself. So I believe you when you told me that and there are compounds and spinach that are capable of doing that and they actually brings me to an interesting point A patient asked me a couple of weeks ago. The more you kind of stick with this program when you go off even with a little cheat do you notice. You're now realizing that that product that food actually bothers you and I think that's actually a great observation because I noticed that myself and I noticed that in lots of patients normally we are so bombarded with compounds that universally make us feel bad have brain fog. Have bad sleep have pains? We are so used to that that when we take all those products away and we finally wake up when we add that product back our sensitivity is now heighten to the actual effect that product was having on us. And I'll give you an example. It's it's actually in my new book but I'll give you a preface As a transplant surgeon both doing kidney transplants and heart transplants. We would have people who were functioning Quite well with basically horrible kidneys or a horribly pumping heart and they could do a number of things when we would put a kidney in them or a new heart in them within a day they would go. Oh my gosh I forgot what normal felt like. This is what normal feels like. And it's so interesting. I've been so impressed that we have been so surrounded by food that's toxic. That's making us feel bad. Having low energy having fatigue having brain fog that we're so used to that we think that's normal and what's really delights me. Do I mean when it happened to me is when that lists you go? Oh my gosh. I forgot what normal feels like? And so when you add something. Back that is one of the culprits. It's wonderful because now your body says hey you idiot. What did you do that for? You can feel it immediately. So it's it's a real thing Scott from instagram. As can I drink ciders as a beer? Alternative? That is a great question. Scott because I have a gentleman who's in his seventies who has some of the most impressive leaky gut that I've come across. He does not absorb protein. Well he is skinny as a rail and his wife is a faithful follower of mine. And he's actually a faithful fowler of mine except he used to drink a six pack of beer every day. We weened him down to one to two beers per day and he still has leaky gut. So I said I'll tell you what. Let's do a really specific leaky gut test on you. And let's find out your culprit Knowing full well what I think we thought we'd find and Lo and behold all of his leaky gut test game back and son of a gun. I've been telling them this for ten years. He reacts to Wieght and surprise elite in severely to gluten and gluten is in his beer no matter what beer drinking beer has gluten and his wife you know hits them over the head with your pocketbook and say I told you you gotta give up the beer so why. I'm going to do next week when I get back to springs office is I'm GonNa have my staff call and say I'm GonNa make a swap for you. Let's get rid of beer and let's put insider and we're gonNA see what happens. Great Question Yuli from INSTAGRAM ASS is teff flour allowed tough is actually very interesting ancient grain from Africa. It's really tiny. It GROWS IN INCREDIBLY ERA. Did awful places and it's a staple of the people. I go dig wells for in Ethiopia and teff is actually a safe grain. It's another one of those Hollis grain. Tried a by tough. You actually support indigenous farmers so Hannah from instagram asked for high fat dairy products. How important is it to stick with organic dairy products? Es Get organic dairy products but warning if it says grass fed but doesn't tell you the cow breed most of our cows United States Holstein or their jersey. Cows jerseys are half a one and half a to so they do have a one casing in them. The picture elsie the cow was a Jersey cow for those of you who remember board and fame. You're better off getting excuse me cheeses from raw cheeses from France Italy and Switzerland which have all been grass fed. And so they're all organic. You're just much safer so the follow up with that. What about cream cheese well cream cheese does not have any casing in it? I mean there's a microscopic amount but it's on really basically unmeasurable so your safe with organic cream cheese as one of the SAFE. Cow's milk product if you're gonNA use cream cheese so kristen asks what about blue cheese? So there's lots of great blue cheeses out there but I would prefer if you got your blue cheese from particularly France Italy or the mountainous areas of Germany and Switzerland which are all a two cows blue cheese from England and having lived in England. I loved Stilton Cheese. It's the wrong breed of cow. It's a whole steam. So you're much better off getting your blue cheeses like penny and I do from from France. That's the blue cheeses. We use oriented so a Goldstein from instagram. As please recommend a Parillo oil to cook with well there's actually a number of parole oils that are available if you go to an Asian market Pearl oil is the most popular oil for cooking in Korea and parts of China. You can go on Amazon and get it. I get mine from a company called Dr Wonderful Which is easy to find on Amazon? I have no relation He may be wonderful for all. I know But I've been using that for a number of years. My personal feeling is that long term in phase. Two or beyond olive. Oil is your best buddy because it has far more polyphenols than parole oil. The benefit of parole oil is. It has a lot of what's called. Rose MORONIC ACID. Which is one of the secrets to the longevity and good brain health of the Achy role? Is that cute community that is south of Naples which has the oldest the biggest percentage of over one hundred year old people of any community so rose moronic acid which by the way is in one of several of my products is one of the real secrets to longevity so three. Oh three Charlie from instagram wants to know about micro-toxins in coffee and chocolate and other things and he wants to know. Are they really as bad as certain people say they are? That's a great question. I actually take care of a number of people who come to me. With a mold. Exposure or mycotoxin exposure including one of the world's experts on him. And I'll give you my take on all of this. I don't test for these things the fact that you may test positive for G to various mold or other. Fungi does not mean that. Those molds and fungi are in you or that you were ever infected with them. It means that you were exposed to them. And you appropriately made a antibody to these having said that your immune system most of our immune systems because of leaky gut and quite frankly I think about one hundred percents walking around In America have leaky gut and your immune system is so hyper on Stone. Alert that any foreign protein will activate them to attack not only them but you normally when your gut is sealed and you have normal component of microbiome with lots and lots and thousands and millions of different species. Those species literally educate your immune system. That we've got your back. Whatever you're going to swallow will take care of and even if we don't they're not going to bother you and you guys can just rest and stand down. I'm a perfect example of that. I got allergy shots for most of my teenage and young adult life. I don't have any allergies anymore. I was allergic every mold. There was I could live in a moldy house. I will not have any reaction to mold exposure because my immune system is different by the way the Italian government has issued statements that there are no micro-toxins in Espresso so there are not Because the process even if there were the cooking process the high temperature kills and deactivates any mycotoxin. Same Way with chocolate. So if you react to these molds or fungi it's because your immune system is hyper reactive and that's actually telling you. These guys are not the problem. The problem is you got leaky gut. And you got a horrible imbalance microbiome. We fix that. That problem goes away as it did with one of the world's experts in micro-toxins when we changed her leaky gut. So that's it for this week from the Doctor Gunnery podcast. Please send your questions on in. It's really fun to get a chance to answer your questions and send more and we'll be happy to put me on the firing line because I'm Dr Gunnery and I'm always looking out for you. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Doctor Country. Podcast before you go. I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes. Google play stitcher or wherever you get your podcast and if you WANNA watch each episode of the Doctor Country Podcast. You can always find me on youtube at Youtube Dot com slash Dr under. Because I'm Dr Country and I'm always looking out for you.

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A Little-Known Secret To Fix Your Vagus Nerve, Banish Constipation, Use Nicotine As A Biohack & Much More!

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:10:25 hr | 2 years ago

A Little-Known Secret To Fix Your Vagus Nerve, Banish Constipation, Use Nicotine As A Biohack & Much More!

"On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast is sick as I was. I would not wish that on anybody but it opened the door door to get some answers that had been missing. I had to figure out what other reasons quit. Some people need that kind of support and that was also part of the journey that I know what it takes to maintain it <hes> in stay on top of that that propensity for some of his abnormal inflammation the the energy can do help performance nutrition longevity ancestral living biohacking lacking and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show Uh hey today's a pretty interesting podcast all about the vagus nerve constipation something called orth static posture <unk> hypertension something or other anyways my guests on today's show Dr Dianna Driscoll gets into it. The podcast is brought to you by kion coffee talk about a punch in the adrenal glands for your vagus nerve. 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Hey so a few months ago I mentioned on a podcast that I had discovered that there was this specific blend of nutrients couple compounds <music> <hes> specifically that I discovered could really help to support my vegas nerve function because I'm always looking at ways to support that incredibly important nerve snakes for the body and innovate so many organs and as a side effect hit gave me. I think the way I described on that podcast podcast was a a glorious morning dump that filled the entire toilet bowl on a on a repeated and predictable basis which was of course course quite nice because it's it's a good thing to just get it all done within the morning and walk away. Maybe double flush in the process sorry T._M._i.. For for everybody <hes> but my podcast guest today show whose name is Dr Dianna Driscoll at the D._r.. I S C O L L Driscoll <hes> she is the individual who actually designed that bland and who knows a heck of a lot about the vagus nerve and its interplay with our bodies bodies and how to support the vagus nerve and automatic nervous system function in general now. She's not Tom Interest who went through a pretty interesting health scenario that I'm GonNa let her fill you in on and share with you but it did involve something that you may or may not be familiar with called Pasta or thermostatic Tackett Cardia Syndrome now. It's a mouthful but it stands for pots P.. T. S. or pots stands ends for that posture orthez static cardiac syndrome so it's a disorder of the nervous system and Diana's GonNa fill you on that too because it's kind of this little known cause lots of a lot of issues like you know chronic fatigue and dizziness and poor bagel function and constipation and a lot of issues so diana has been digging into this for years ah using her medical certifications degree in knowledge to help now literally thousands and thousands and thousands of people not only with pots but with a lot a lot of other issues related to fatigue and the underlying Vail nerve dysfunction underlies it she's written multiple books all of which I will link to in the show notes but most notably one called the driscoll theory and she also has a very helpful website at pots CARE DOT COM P._O._T._S. Care Dot com wonderful blog at pretty. Ill Dot com like pretty I L L DOT COM and also a range of different of vaghul nerve compounds pounds. She's developed which I will also linked to in the show notes so everything that we discussed today and there's GonNa be a lot of notes <hes> you're gonna be able to find at Ben in Greenfield fitness dot com slash pots. That's Ben Greenfield FITNESS DOT COM slash P. O. T. S. Diana welcome. Welcome to the show. Thank you Ben. It's so great to be here when an honor appreciate that I noticed that you're you're sounding little horse today and and I believe it's due to the recent cigarette smoking habit that up yeah no. We'll talk about that nicotine right. No I yeah you caught me. I did go out last night and we danced and listened to a great band and I swore I wouldn't sing along and side nine have voices warning but it's really hard not to so please bear with me. It doesn't quite sound like it usually does. Well squeak it out funny that you say that about smoking cigarettes and nicotine because I know that's kind of part of your story particularly the nicotine piece and I have talked on this show before about how I'll occasionally chew nicotine nicotine gum be because of some of the benefits it can have on nerve function in Mitochondria and so perhaps we can dive into that a little bit too but I might be getting ahead ahead of myself. I want to hear a little bit more about your story and how you got into studying all this in the first place. Yeah it was long horrible people struggle honestly but do you know what I learned in. My struggle ends up helping so many other people because although my my situation was so dramatic matic it exaggerated some symptoms and signs that when you take it down and not affect so many people in the general population and that's where I thing I can really help but I went to Costa Rica for a mission trip and got a virus but all of us got the same virus. It wasn't like you know the virus virus was the cause of an illness but I couldn't pull out of it and I ended up with so many weird symptoms. I I started out. I just had trouble breathing. It felt like I was breathing through a straw and even my sleep I was struggling with that. My heart rate was out of control. If I was vertical it would just race. My digestion was affected sometimes food which is sitting my stomach for hours and then ultimately I started to develop a tremor her. I couldn't handle changes in temperature. <hes> as time went on it morphed and continued to change. I started to lease my memory. I I couldn't organize my eyes. I couldn't even stay away and at my worst I was struggling to stay awake even three hours a day but sometimes I had horrible insomnia Omnia and I was awake for days at a time and as I got sicker eventually I couldn't handle any sort of stress and stress dress at that time has even like answering the phone or making a doctor's appointment. I couldn't order a pizza or something I was light. Sensitive sound sensitive I I stayed in a bedroom with four walls shades redrawn at I covers earplugs because everything was just too loud too bright just too much and no one can help me was was horrible but probably the worst part ban was my kids got sick and they started to develop some similar symptoms symptoms and my son was completely disabled for three years but no one had any answers so it was not position I wanted to be but I was forced. I ended trying to figure out some of this <hes> interesting so at that point you've got all these fatigue issues going on and I I would imagine that most people would begin to look into. I mean honestly anybody Google symptoms like that to come up with chronic fatigue. They come up with <hes>. You know perhaps something that I interviewed reviewed Dr Sarah My Hill who you might know about <hes> condition that off the top of my head. I gotta remember what it's called a different name. She gives just a chronic fatigue. I believe it's <hes> Emmy Myalgia encephalitis I think is that she describes it and I had a whole podcast with her about this and that's that's what most people will come up with if they experienced the issues like you've had is some form of chronic fatigue which I think is a catch all term. That's usually a when you dig in instead something like Mike Okon drill dysfunction or lyme infection or mold or some other type of chronic issue but I'm curious. What what you've found you started looking into this? Yes 'cause my condition didn't begin with fatigue which was really really odd. I I thought it evolved over time into fatigue in fact initially the thoughts by the researchers and I was in Mayo's even clinical trials for for three years their thoughts were that we needed more exercise and we had to watch our Diet we attended to be de conditioned but it was very well fairly athletic at the time and I certainly wasn't de conditioned. God restoring out which I did because I love to exercise on that won't be too. You know that'd be great but I didn't do anything but it was it took about two or three years into the condition before the fatigue became so disabling but it didn't start out that way yes I was disabled by the sperm a decade <hes> yeah it was. It was tough okay so this was how long ago fourteen years fourteen years so that would mean some some somewhere like three or four years ago something happened. Yes it actually took layers of answers to put all together and as I started needed to get answers I started to release them through the blog as a patient I put out pretty ill dot com and then finally came out with the driscoll theory very revealed some of them the underlying things that we were figuring out and then it continued the research continued to move forward. I created genetic attic disease investigators and we formally started studies to get some answers. So what what exactly did you find. I realized we might be I keep leading along because this is this is something I think is going to be real helpful for our listeners. A matter of fact I was I'm telling my wife I was just out in the yard planting huckleberry with my boys because I wanna see if I can get wild huckleberry to grow on our land and I came in and I'm Dustin my my hands and get my computer ready and I'm like hi. I I might have over scheduled myself today. I've got a lot going on. I got this podcast need to go record and she's like well. Why did you why did you decide to record this podcast on a weekend? I told her because this is something that I actually think is gonNA help. A lot of people like I'm going out of my way to do this because because when when I discovered your work I realized how helpful this could beat a folk so so feel free to digress as deeply as you'd like. What exactly did you find a lot? Everything I found out I found one layer and I thought oh I'm done this is Ed and now the the condition tended to continue and evolve. There was another layer figured that out okay we're done yeah now. There is more to it so it was years and years and years but the first thing I figured out and it's in the book is there is a propensity for abnormal inter cranial pressure in this population I and it went worldwide and it was really great to see the response from patients and then all timidly from Dr <hes> and and again that was great to figure out but it wasn't the end we still had to get to bed rock which for me was the genes which is a whole nother podcast but <hes> inflammation inflammation was playing into a lot of the condition and I think that overlaps greatly with with some of your audience because a lot of people are prone Ndo Lot of inflammation for As sick as I was I would not wish that on anybody honestly I would hate to go through that again but it opened the door to get some answers that have been missing and A. and that's hugely helpful so the fact that your kids were doing with this too. I suspect is why you mentioned that. What you found was that some of this stuff can be genetic well? I said a genetic disease investigators because I thought what are the chances that I can get this and then both of my kids get end up with this without some sort of genetic influence that hopefully we can dig deeper and ultimately come out with the genes responsible also when we get validation for the suffering and and to we can help people much younger maybe prevent them from getting sick so but it was it was so long and and such a difficult process trying to get those answers so at this point basically you you were sick and you had a team of researchers that you put around you to help you discover why you were sick. I mean to me it's still a little ed what's going on here right now as a patient and I said of the corporation I'm an optometrist of course my husband is an optometrist and we had two offices so I thought we are set up basically to start looking for answers me. Being a patient is helpful. We've got two labradors Aubrac own right because kids are affected and we started by looking in the eyes. No one with this condition had ever really done that before and I thought there is no way you can be sick without some sort of sign and the I is such a great window into systemic illness. That's where I started but that's not where we stopped okay but the a lot of the researchers were people I knew new and then really interesting. The Internet has changed research right there are physicians and researchers you freelance and a and I had doctors really around the glow <hes> helping me with research microbiologist geneticists. There's one out of India continued work with today. That really helped so yeah. It was amazing process what happened <hes> we got answers. We continue to get answers. We're still digging into the genetics today so but in in my recovery and a sick as I was and my son was especially especially ill he he he started to waste away. He developed osteoporosis US nine years old and so so the kids are doing great. I'm doing great. You're doing your head of yourself. Though what did you what did you have like like. Did you get diagnosed well. You know that's it's funny because I think that's one of the issues with this and even my mother in law said so so what did you end up being diagnosed with so I can tell my sister and I go well. That's one of the problems uh-huh we don't exactly have labels for many of these genetic sat outs and what we're working toward is properly labeling because doctors typically GLI will label a condition and then they will treat according to a label and if you have a labels such as I did with a pots pods what's is not a disease. It's a symptom. It's a symptom of something else and you have to figure out that something else and then label those and and it's a process so I think I think we need to backpedal a minute here because I don't really think you've described exactly what parts is or even what that had to do. Do with what you're experiencing what partisan autonomic dysfunction so the autonomic nervous system is a system the body you shouldn't have to think about right it it controls the automatic processes like breathing or your heart rate blood pressure sure digestion <hes> tear production all of those are considered the automatic and when that system breaks down you you get sick so there are many reasons for pot sir many reasons for disorder. No Mia and you have to start at the top and work your way through it for example L._S.. Parkinson's is is our conditions are neurological conditions that start to show oh I with pods you have to rule out other neurological problems. <hes> some autoimmune conditions that affect receptors. Here's etcetera etcetera so it's it's extraordinarily frustrating. I got two big textbooks on autonomic dysfunction when I was sick and went went through them in my presentation was in there that how is this even possible so there's a lot to reveal and we'll be revealing more foreign publications as we go so it's a process and you have to be careful the way you release information as I came to find out so it's economists serious but but I guess you know in in the past when I've looked into something like pots for specific life had had some athletes I've worked with who have been you know normally dizzy when they've gotten up from a lying to a standing position and his big increase in heart rate and they get lightheadedness and often it's associated with them having pushed rush too hard or a little bit of dehydration or low electrolyte status sometimes it can be based on endocrine function and the amount of L. Dos Ronin and cortisol that they have in their system awesome but that's about all I know of pots and it sounds to me like what you're saying is what you and your children were experiencing. In terms of this long term chronic fatigue not was a form of pot right where we definitely had pots but again that was just one symptom. I think the people you're describing are the ones that doctors is the most familiar with where it's fairly transient. Being you know dehydration or astronauts get pause which is calm cool when they're out in outer space and the lack of gravity tends to contribute to that but that's not what we dealt with high levels of salt or which is what they tried side compression hose or just artificially slowing the heart did nothing in fact if anything we were just getting worse so we do have to dig deeper for and one thing that we found after we revealed their this propensity for abnormal inter cranial pressure was that ultimately the base as nerve appeared not to be working. We had to figure that out okay so you so how'd you know your vagus nerve wasn't working. How did that get diagnosed? Yeah why kind of suspected it because my heart started racing at about the same time. My Gut wasn't working well and I think anytime you know both systems systems of the body are affected about the same time you need to consider so what do they have in common and I was considering at the time compression of the vagus nerve it my neck Jack. We're doing some masculine studies done and I didn't know if that was right but <hes> that's where I was headed with it but I got to the point really where I couldn't have a bowel movement and that's probably the one you heard about where it had been eleven days or so no bowel movement and I had some big pain in the the lower right hand quadrant of my abdomen. I didn't know what that was either but I tried everything to have a bowel movement and not so I went to my doctor and she had nothing new offer but she said without pain. Maybe you have a kidney stone that didn't sound right but okay and she sent me to a urologist who given this died a drink that nasty stuff and he scanned me for a stone and I didn't have a stone but I told him when I was considering that device nerve and asked him if that pain and that lower right hand quadrant could maybe be the Ilia sequel out then the valve between the large and small intestine could that be stuck in the very very common source by the way illegal bell dysfunction you know people who are taking silly and hoskin magnesium getting a squatty potty and doing all these things they hear about for constipation. I think many people don't realize the anatomical Michael Interplay in terms of illegal Seco valve dysfunction contributing to small intestinal bacterial overgrowth right if it's if it's kind of a stuck open type of condition addition and then if it's if it's closed that I've found along with a very tight so s and Ilias muscles can be an anatomical comical contributor to poor bowel function and constipation and I run into this so often in the athletic population you'd be shocked probably sixty to seventy percent of the active individuals athletes who I work with they complain of some form of constipation and in many cases they're doing all the right things from dietary supplementation limitation standpoint and you look into the anatomy and a lot of it does come down to what it sounds like is the same thing that you discovered in your condition this Yulia sequel velvet issue in so what I think would be interesting if you could elucidate for people kind of how that's linked to vegas nerve function right right <hes> because it's easy to think that okay that vow which controls the stool of course leaving the small intestine and going into large Asan and super important. I've a whole lot of respect for that bow and as you said benefits stack open you get richer regurgitation of stool back back up in a small small. That's really bad <hes> in you're more prone to CBO ET CETERA and if it gets stuck as it did in my case then then you can't have normal bowel movements so when I hear things like what you just said if people are having these chronic issues that's exactly the type of population that I look at and go okay. They don't have pods. They don't have chronic fatigue. What have you but could they have enough inflammation? Were that's at the heart of some of the problems within it's certainly possible but the movement of the stew all through the G._I.. Tract tracked is what stimulates that valve to open. It's not directly A- Vegas nerve issue but the vagus nerve controls Paris tosses assistant or the movement that stool so you need to have things moving for that valve to open the Vegas nerve would be incredibly helpful for it would be called in gastroenterology gastric motilal eighty which is linked to this other thing called the migrating motor complex like the migrating eating motor complex is how how the body cleans out your digestive system you know it it starts off at the top of the small intestine all the way down to the small muscles within the Colon Colin but that is triggered by signals from the vagus nerve and so I think what you're getting at here is the vagus nerve is going to trigger activity. The migrating motor odor complex part of that migrating motor complex would involve Ilya Seco valve function so if for some reason there's poor vehicle nerve function that could be influencing gastric motilal ability in part by limiting the ability of the Zico Valve to function properly and I know a part of this too related to the migrating motor complex is bio production and gall bladder and liver function and so you know a lot of this stuff can be multi modal but I'll see in many cases people who have constipation or poor or Motilal they'll have poor bile production in need some amount of liver and gallbladder support but then there's of course that whole ill- Yoshiko valve mobility migrating motor complex complex piece where you have to support that and that comes down to some of the vagus nerve toning tricks that that one can incorporate and and I think that was how I originally found you was when I was looking into Ilya Sequel Valve. I came across an interview or a an article that you wrote. I forget it was is this a couple of months ago and wanted to schedule for the podcast because it looks like you found out a pretty kind of cool method to work on the valve and I believe this might have been where nicotine entered the picture for you my car that is absolutely correct and I again I can't I kinda got lucky because after I saw the urologist and he had me drink that die and stuff I didn't have a kidney stone but oddly three days slater I kid you not been I got a kidney stone and I called him up and I thought he's going to think I'm nuts but I told him I know you told me I don't have a stone. I get it I within three days ago but I do now and he met me at the hospital to remove the stone and when I woke up he was standing over me real close and he said Diana you're right. It's your Ilias equal out and I said how. Did you know he said well that die. I gave you three days ago is still in there but it's all crammed up against the vow. How so we knew it was illegal yeah but he's still didn't know what to do about it? So I was at the emergency room at pro kinetics nothing and I was basically put in position where knowing I went to you could help so and even sent me to a surgeon to see about opening the vow aw and the surgeon said Oh no. He's a dying if you think this is vegas nerve related never have abdominal surgery unless it's life threatening because we cut right through those nerves and oh my we caused gaster appraises is what he said so I appreciated that honesty but I was left with no answers so I I went home and basically was laying in bed. Going what now you know. What do I do so I thought that in school with what I learned learned about the vagus nerve in school and it's been decades ago decades but being a total geek I remembered studying it going well? There's two a two parts to the vagus nerve the pre-game part that goes from the brain down the neck into the chest cavity and the Dan into the abdominal cavity cavity. It's the longest cranial nerve in the body and then there's a little gap and there's a tiny post gangly on it vegas nerve yeah and I remember the teacher saying that Post Gang Leon Bass nerve is so small. It's almost a part of the Oregon itself and I have no idea why remember those words but I thought okay I think I still have that. I've never had surgery hopefully little tiny nervous still there so I wanted to try to stimulate that post gangly magaziner and I thought okay nerves work when they're of course triggered and the the nerve impulse if he will trowels down the nerve and at the end of the nerve at least releases a chemical and you're a transmitter in <unk> hops across the synapse in it lands on a receptor in it stimulates an action so I thought okay what is the neurotransmitter that Vegas nerve uses well. That one's easy the vagus nerve is the only nerve in the body. That's called the Nicotinic acetylcholine urging nerve and the reason we call it. Nicotinic is that the imitator of that neurotransmitter agonised is nicotine so I call my husband and asked him to swing by the drugstore on the way home and bring the nicotine patch and thought what the heck are you. Do you know that he I used to me doing some experiments on my body's. I'll explain it when you get home but I didn't know if it mattered where I put it but I put it over the side of the Ilias equal go out again. I didn't really know what I was doing. Well it seemed right to me but I kind of picture that nicotine going through the skin because it's transdermal of course and it goes to the tissue and I pictured at landing on hopefully the post gangly onic naggus nerve and then maybe stimulating something and sure enough in an hour and a half later things started to move that valve opened normal bowel movement what and I used it yet actually actually four days in a row became a chain smoker. That's right. We know what the nicotine I couldn't keep using it. Because Nicotine of course is not all old roses and butterflies because it can activate some inflammatory cells neutrophils macrophages nations and it it looked like my stomach was purple and it was itching and like a fiery answer something so I knew I couldn't keep using it but what I learned so much from that I learned that one all the research in pots to that day was saying it was Or it was a neurotransmitter problem in that difference man is so critical because it is it turned out. It wasn't a vegas nerve problem mm per se it was a problem within your enter and you have to be able to figure out that difference to get <hes> as healthy as he can. Hey I want to interrupt today. Show to tell you about one of the funnest places most fun funner. I don't know it's an amazing place to buy by high quality healthy and sustainable products they do everything from organic to Paleo Gluten Free Vegan Kosher to Ketogenic and and the stuff does not taste like cardboard most of their catalog. 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Brand Nicotine Gum on many days and levels of dopamine norepinephrine and Serotonin can increase with nicotine usage which is one reason why it can be highly addictive even Wyatt could long turn lead to some amount of neurotransmitter imbalances if overused at the same time there are a lot of studies on it for improving paying attention and memory and focus it's been looked into in rodent models as a preventative for things like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's it's somewhat neuro protective in terms terms of being able to reduce inflammation in neural tissue and you're right at low doses. It's Kinda suppresses inflammation actually acting through that that cholinergic surgically anti inflammatory pathway but then in higher doses it may increase levels of some pro inflammatory cytokines and when when it comes to the gut it it's interesting because it is derived from the alkaloid family in high doses it could aggravate the God especially in Santo people who are like nightshade sensitive like you Y- Tom Brady probably doesn't use nicotine for example <hes> however it's a it's able to increase the thickness of the mucus in the call in and and can help out a little bit with issues issues in in some cases so it's it's kind of one of those things where it seems pretty beneficial in low doses with infrequent use and then high frequent doses seem to seem to kind of provide a lob diminishing returns and eventually becomes more harmful <hes> so in terms of nicotine you you probably made a good decision deciding not use nicotine patch on your fico valve the rest of your life but what did you decide to do instead right and didn't comment on that is is such a good point. Man in fact nicotine has been shown to help prevent or treat altered Kaleida 's and like you said it works through that calling our S._E._O.. Oh Choline pathway so I thought since I couldn't continue to use it and I would have had to use it every day that I thought it'd be great to figure figure out some way of coming up with an oral mix of supplements would that even be possible where it would do the same thing <hes> trigger that post gangland begs nerve if you will <hes> based Acetylcholine but not have that negative effect for me of activating automating the inflammation which and it's probably to some degree it was more inflammatory in my body because I- genetically struggle with inflammation it was fairly dramatic response response goods response so I wanted to figure out something else but I knew we were onto something so I I had some goals I I needed it to be made from supplements that are already being safe by the F._D._a.. And then we couldn't wait around for a new drug to be developed that wasn't learning possible but I also wanted it to work despite any genetic issues with say the body's ability to manufacturer Seattle calling I mean when I I was going through that and since it was genetic disease investigators. I thought maybe that's it. Maybe that's why we can't make this work. We can't make enough to Seato Zito calling and that did affect some people but it wasn't the majority it was about one hundred fifty but I wanted work arounds for that so people didn't have to know their genes and then I wanted to make sure it stimulated that post-game bionic bags nerve just like nicotine dead and the only way I could confirm that it was stimulated at that time was looking for bowel movement so we ran clinical trials and if the subject had a bowel movement shortly after taking we knew it was is likely also stimulating the gallbladder pancreas et Cetera as you had said and then finally I needed it to cross the blood brain barrier barrier to help cognition one reason I had gotten so sick and contribute into so much brain fog. I couldn't keep a lot of balls balls in the air. Mentally I couldn't even make to do list honestly three things <hes> and I was just to mentally fatigued. I ultimately couldn't stay away was I didn't didn't have enough <hes> Acetylcholine release from my brain either so that my kitchen and tried to use my old organic chemistry now to try to put together enough to cover all of those in hoping and praying I got it right as I gave it to my son and I took it to it was really a Cerny. I I think that's what I heard you talking about in an interview and I actually I ordered this supplement that you design. This stuff called Perez N. P. A. R. A. S. Y.. M. A. linked to that in the show notes for people over at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash pots you want to check it out and then see what the ingredient label and everything looks like and it arrived to my house and I looked at the label and I I might have a few questions for about the ingredients in it but that was the supplement that I took and mentioned in that podcast shortly after the fact that I took in the morning when I woke up and like you know right right after I took it I went and did my normal morning. Stretch Routine Cup of coffee did everything as usual but my my bowel movement was. It felt like yeah. Well felt like my health was open really that's. That's what it felt like and I even because I'm i. I like to immerse myself in this stuff in and try it <music> out I then the next day didn't take the Pera symon instead put a nicotine patch over the Ilias evolve as you had done and elicited very similar. I'm were effects so obviously you know this thing was working on vagus nerve function and gastric utility in in the way that you have described <hes> but in terms of how it it actually works I I would love to get into the ingredients you found that allowed for this corner stimulus and this this kind of Para Orissa pathetic stimulation of the vagus nerve resulted in increased gastric maturity yeah and this was again. It was such a process because like I liked what I could mention. I I thought maybe this is genetic. Issue so trying to study genes and we don't know people's jeans you know you could have a problem with what appears to be the vagus nerve and it's actually a problem with the Seato Choline <hes> production because of these genetic setup so that was one of the first things I studied so I wanted to have work arounds for that and that was included in there but some of the genes I looked at like there's something called a chat gene and it deals deals with the enzyme that helps this way morgue ignace and everybody wants to know of it. The way we come up with acetylcholine inside the bodies as the Acetyl group comes from something called acetyl Co a and we use a specific enzyme to break off the acetyl group from Acetyl Co a to tie it into choline and some people have a gene that prevents them from doing that well so we've had a couple patients at at pods care who who had that gene and boy change their lives because they they never have normal bowel movements throughout their lives so I had to figure out a different enzyme a different pathway I different places to get an Acetyl group from and I also needed to cover for Nutrient Mal absorption if we get and it's ironic that that we usually end up with nutrient male absorption when the vagus nerves not working well because the pancreas doesn't work well the gall bladder stomach acid production parasols crystallises etcetera ironic is that so if we get low in certain vitamins B one for example we can't make enough seato calling I wanted to cover for that and then I wanted to also put in a something that works against the enzyme that Breaks Down Casino calling once we produce Ito calling you don't want it continually and that synapses firing that receptor <hes> you have to your body has to break down normally but we wanted to pause it to help <hes> multiply if you will the amount of Acetylcholine in the synapse put some of that in there too the same time you don't Wanna use too much or else the receptors start to shut down if I got planning going more nineteen said the balance was important important to it wasn't even just the ingredients in there but trying to come up with the right balance to stimulate the nerve and then but not over stimulated stimulate it was important when I heard your story about filling the ball which just cracked me up. I gotTa tell you that <hes>. I thought that's interesting testing because this doesn't it's not a laxative you know it's not a stool softener something. It doesn't make you have a bowel movement. It allows was a normal bowel movement by allowing the maze nerve to work properly so it's a hint that something's up. If you have a dramatic response to nicotine is idea or to Pearson plus compensation plus then there's a reason for that and I had to figure figure out what other reasons could some people need that kind of support and that was also part of that part of the journey okay got it so you you put together this formulation this list of ingredients and and got it into this encapsulated form and you know the the label. You actually have a proprietary blend so it's unclear to me the exact milligrams I understand that that's a you also have about three years of research and testing in a in a patent on this thing so I I understand the proprietary angle but you know a few of the primary ingredients are basically Hooper Zine annecy little carnitine and a form of Choline Alpha Glass Real phosphoryl Choline and you know I've I've seen other compounds probably probably the one that is most popular is for example <hes> one that that had on Handa on its alphabrain which which has a lot of Hooper's union and is used as as a neutral BEC- that was one that I was familiar with in the past as an Acetylcholine who presumed support but does your product differ from a lot of these popular nutro picks that people might already have in their cupboards because I do know many of these things are also used because of their effects on inveigle nerve and on neurotransmitter production <hes> for for new trope accused. I'm curious if people could just double up and use the same thing for illegal Sikelel function I think part of the trick and why it took us so long to pull all this together gather and doing the clinical trials etcetera was the bland was important and <hes> again. We don't want he's too much present. The season has a receptor does shut down and that's not good long-term. We didn't need to cross the blood brain barrier and that's really important but it received a patent because the blend was unique and there is no real competition out there. This was a new discovery otherwise you don't you don't receive patents patent. Return attorneys are tough. They are strong scientists <hes> but I knew my science and was able to <hes> they you apply for patent and then they argue it and I know that that science is wrong and this is why this is you need that so it was a long journey and I don't know what what people have their cupboards but this was a new discovery and it was blended in just the right way to accomplish not just the vagus nerve but it also in reason we call it Paris and plus it boosts the Para sympathetic nervous system plus it crossed the blood brain buried your assistance with Sita calling rolling and interestingly at the end of the trials it took about four to six weeks ben but we noticed the chronic dry is going away and this was also unique and we received a second pattern just recently for that I want to ask you about the is in a second but I should know if someone who has used neutral tropics for some amount of time that new tropics with similar ingredients particularly alphabrain and <hes> the products from Kuala or neuro- hacker collective quality of focus in Kuala mind while being fantastic neutral picks never really gave me that increasing gastric motilal that I experienced just when I took the Para Sim interestingly I I did notice a cognitive pick me up to when I took it and an increase in H._r.. R._V. Likely due to the stimulation of the pair sympathetic nervous system and so there is Are Out of balance. The pupil size appears to large and people get real light sensitive to we see some people just wearing sunglasses indoors we we did find <hes> ever since we'd open pot scared. It's been about four years now. That pupils responded very well. I very early in the process but it was actually more <unk> repeatable than heart rate variability heart rate variability was a little bit finicky. It's very sensitive. Even if you're doing a math problem in your head your heart rate variability can change pupils. Were a little less finicky than that was a little bit more reliable way A._M.. Watching per responds so yeah we do look at the is and again. I think that's one way I was able to get some answers that had been missed by others as being doctor and it was unique to consider some of these conditions from that aspect but for for example the acetylcholine problem. There's something called anti cholinergic poisoning which we haven't been poisoned assume you haven't been poisoned <hes> but we can oftentimes presents similarly where we end up with similar symptoms constipation tacky. Cardia degrade delay guest again putting era kind of anxiety. My Gallbladder shut down. They wanted me remove it. The ejection fraction was eight percent and this doesn't make any sense since is sounds near logical to me. It was but yeah we we look in the eyes I and that starts. It doesn't end the process but it did get some answers with other people had had missed okay now regarding again kind of the qualification piece. I think many people who want to go about this in a systematized fashion might be curious if they either have a genetic issue that would affect acetylcholine production or some other issue in terms of. Let's say you know lack of the ability to be able to break down acetylcholine properly or anything like that. Is there some kind of tests that I can tell people if they have some type of colon problem. There is no blood test for acetylcholine which is one of the problems doctors are trained aimed to recognize parcel calling release or anti cholinergic poisoning. If you will by presentation you have to recognize the symptoms so if someone woman shows up in the emergency room with some of these symptoms they should know Oh. This could be anti cholinergic poisoning but if we haven't been poisoned honestly they never everything in terms. Are I found pretty much. Never think in terms of could this be a problem with the Seato calling it just wasn't really on the radar the the two genes that I considered. I just wanted to find work arounds for them. So there are genetic tests which is awesome even twenty. The three and me can pick up one or two of them and people can have an issue but comparison plus. I just put the work around in at the time. I didn't even know if I could have had a AH gene with acetylcholine ultimately I didn't but we just worked around at that way than just tried to to put it all in there so people didn't have to break it all down baton by themselves to figure it out. I wish there was a great blood tests for that. That would be really great. We have to look at the presentation. neurotransmitter transmitter testing can be difficult. I mean just for basic neurotransmitter testing and and I I actually the entire chapter on neurotransmitter neurotransmitter balance in in <hes> <hes> my book that my book doesn't come out for a few months after this podcast comes out as it's called boundless over at a Shameless Plug Boundless Book Dot Com <hes> <hes> but in that book discuss <hes> Eric Braverman Test for neurotransmitter function which is like an online quiz you can take for things like Seeta calling dominance dopamine dominance different neurotransmitter deficiencies etcetera. I've found that one to be somewhat accurate and in in my case with my testing it did reveal that I do have some issues with acetylcholine balance and me being a hard charging athlete for so long I'm sure that contributed to the issue and also to some of the Para sympathetic dysfunction as well when you throw in the extremely tight core tight so ass and some of the other anatomical issues that can influence illegal ellul sequel valve function in gastric utility along with <hes> excess sympathetic nervous system stimulation in a fed state which will bile all production and hydrochloric acid productions kind of like a perfect storm for gut issues or constipation and so I suspect that's why this stuff seemed to work so well for me <hes> and <hes> and and so you know hope hopefully that will give people a few good resources looking like braverman tests for example Apple Tickets Braverman test dot com all hunted down and putting the show notes but another thing I wanted to ask you about was how long to take take this stuff 'cause basically I.. I went through a bottle. I don't have any any more up in my cupboard however it seems to I it seemed to realize allies. You've shooting yourself in the foot but it seemed to kind of help me after just going through one bottle so is this something like people take for the rest of their life and I realized that that's a a tricky question when you're the person who profits from makes the cell phone but I want to ask it anyways and I'm just curious what you've found as far as you know. Is this thing just jump start you or or is this something you take for your whole life for a very. I well. It's going to vary certainly because people have genetic issues with the CDL calling for example. They'll always need help. People like me who have genetic issues with inflammation. We're going to always need how but I like Hugh. I got to the point where I wasn't fatigued anymore. I my I thought my bowel movements. Were good enough. You know it wasn't a couple times a week good enough and as it turns out it was and I was in the hospital a few years ago and they gave me an antibiotic that activates inflammation and it was just horrifying everything and just went down a thousand times but I developed pancreatitis ultimately when I was off of it and I was just hoping and praying that getting back on it it would be sufficient to give me some help there and it started to turn around in two days. The <HES> base nerve of course is the the anti inflammatory pathway of the body and that wasn't my research. I was Kevin Tracy from the Feinstein. Institute has figured that out released we sat and <hes> so for me who is I'm someone who setup genetically for lots of information. It's going to be forever and and that's okay. We can fight back. I've Been Delta genetic hand that is not enviable but as long as I have things I can work on it and that's totally fine. The cognitive effects of Innuendo or have been gray is when we my husband takes it but absolutely I think it's it's an individual <hes> reason everybody's different for having at work and we have to know what the reason is one of the reasons that we found that say sometimes sometimes just stimulating the vagus nerve which can be gray right like splashing cold water or meditating chewing etc that it should stimulate a normal normal vagus nerve but there are some situations where it won't work and one is if there's damage to the nerve is if you stimulate it kind of think of it like stimulating at the top it should the impulse should travel down the nerve but if it's damaged at some point we'll doesn't make it to to the end and the Acetylcholine is released and the vegas nervous such a long nerd. It's very prone to damage so those people will likely need some support always ways the folks as I mentioned with genetic issues in a seato calling always need support but people like me and I think this is what was new for most people depot is that some inflammatory side economies blocked the release of Acetylcholine and if that's the case you can stimulate that nerve ever try to stimulate it and nothing happens so I had one advantage and kind of getting a clue into that because as an eye doctor I knew it was a possibility because of the research an eye disease called show grins syndrome. It's an inflammatory disease across. It's dry and the lateral nerve. <hes> is affected by that inflammation. You can stimulate that Lacrima till the cows come home. Nothing happens the Acetylcholine does not get released so if if a nerve is supposed to approve produces sita calling Mike vagus nerve or the lack role nerve to produce is tears for example is affected by certain inflammatory side economy psych interleukin six or interleukin one Beta for example then if you stimulate the nerve it's unable to release that the ACETYL calling them. We're kind of up a creek <hes> so if if the information's episodic say it's a you know an intense masochistic triathlon saying then if that inflammation goes systemic dominic intends to last too long it can work against some of your efforts to to be healthy and you went naturally try to control that information. The vagus nerve helps with that so I don't really know say in your case Ben. was that an instant that your information is just really high. Affirmative reason could be now that it can be tough to figure out so yeah so in in terms of your case. Where were you right now. As far as you and your kids guys pretty much pass all this or are you still digging. Thank you for asking for the kids are doing great which I wish I had had a crystal ball how we were going through this. Three of us. Were so sick. My husband was the only one who was well. We had no answers and no idea what was going to happen but they're all doing great eight and and my son interestingly is in college and his athletic now that we're so tim see that in the in the cards years ago cow but as far as the digging we're doing is is digging for more of that the genes responsible so people don't have to go through what we did head of floundering without a <hes> good diagnosis without a label that we need and without some heads up early on that if we don't take care of some things that we could become sick so we're very good experts at maintaining our health but I know what it takes wchs to maintain it in stay on top of that that propensity for some of the abnormal inflammation the damage it can. Hindu so it is on going as far as maintaining it but the lifestyles normal which is great so genetic disease is going full steam ahead though now because there's so many other people wanNA help and this isn't the end of it. There's many different reasons for people to have problems with <hes> the autonomic nervous MHM system and the related conditions like chronic fatigue syndrome is that we want to get more answers from our people so that's what we're working on now well. It's a fascinating story. I found it incredibly helpful for myself and I'm really hoping that people listening to have similar are issues might find some benefit here from both your website where you have some really good articles and interviews and also <hes> your supplementation supplementation program for Vegas function and for the issues that we've been discussing particularly this Para Sim plus stuff what I will do for folks. WCHS is put a link in the show notes to Para Sim. I don't remember Diana and you can remind me. Did we have a discount code that that we had available for anybody for Harrison and if you recall it was now okay. Should we make one up on on the spot and then you could just have your team or whatever <hes> make sure that it's active already made it up. I just done to watch okay. This might be annoying to folks but what I'll do is all done the discount code because I think Diana's right I think we had one in the past and I don't remember what it was but I will. I will hunt it down and we'll put the discount code in the show notes for everybody and that's going to be at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash pots what's been Greenville Fitness Dot Com Slash P. O. T. S. and also include links to Diana's website and a whole bunch of other resources that we talked about like my podcast with Sarah my hill and other podcasts that I did on thirty two different ways to support the vagus nerve because obviously you know taking a multi modal approach to this is often very useful <hes> but if you simply <hes> are concerned that you might have illegal valve issues I would say one of the best things you can do is take this stuff support. Vega function and do a little bit of so ass deep tissue work around the valve and around the so ass and you can be pretty surprised what can happen without having to take you know yet another round of silly musket night before you go to bed or something like that so <hes> Diana. Thank you so much for coming on the show and for sharing all this stuff with us. It's just absolutely fascinating. Well thank you man. I really appreciate one opportunity event too. I I appreciate people like you who who are willing to stick your neck out to get answers for people and cheering what you learn and I know our efforts here your voice been burying grassroots because it was just patients trying to help each other but you're you're revealing and sharing so much to help people be their very best and be their their healthiest and I know as one certainly appreciate the efforts. It takes to do that because you have to be. Smart about it and you are in fact. If I didn't know you were a jock then I would think you wear declined coming up on a lot of people think I'm a jock it. I think like I made a mistake painting myself as such but I I'm instead of guy who just likes to delve into a variety of different physical and mental activities and I'm a constant sunseeker and as a result find myself thrown into many jock esque scenarios but I am not I am not genetically skilled old at just about anything physical work my ass off for it which is probably one of the reasons like you know. Things like physical events attract me because I like things I have to work hard good for things that come easy for me for example something that comes very easy as writing right I can write and edit and it just flows out of me and you know my wife will sit in front of a blank page for hours and I don't even I don't even get it but then at the same time my wife will go tick off a five minute mile you know after being runner in college college and that kind of stuff just comes naturally to her so I think everybody has their unique skill set but yeah I I would say I probably more of a more of a geek than jock but regardless we are probably getting long in the tooth here and we should let people go but once again you can get the show's over. Ben Greenville finished dot com slash pots thoughts and also connect with over there. Leave your comments you questions your feedback in the show notes and either Diana and I will hop in and reply. I know she has a money money back guarantee on that. 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What You Eat is Turning Your Genes On and Off  Teri Cochrane : 646

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What You Eat is Turning Your Genes On and Off Teri Cochrane : 646

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Today's cool fact of the day is that there's a new natural actual chemical that stops skunk smell now if you grew up in New Mexico like like I did and you've ever had your dog sprayed by a skunk you know. Oh you did them in vinegar you wash them in tomato sauce. The basically your dog's GonNa smell bad for a long time. If ever hit one in your car you know what I'm talking about but the chemistry behind this is really interesting. Because there's a kind of fungus that makes it chemical that can snuff out the stink and this comes from something. Called the Journal of Natural Products Products and the compound is called Perez scene and the fungus that reacts with the Skunk Sprays Sulfur containing compounds which forms residues that. Don't smell bad to us that you can easily wash away. And that's interesting because researchers are pretty sure that the fungus I uses that parakeets in our cosign however you say it to neutralize those noxious chemicals that it comes across in the wild so this is a chemical defense system that you'd defined in the forest which is kind of interesting. Maybe we should keep some forest around. What do you think and chemicals? That are hard to wash away like those stinky things from skunks are problems because soap and even bleach doesn't do anything a little bit of this chemical isn't going to harm you but it takes away those things and it turns out that they can add cosmetic ingredients to this so it was like. I don't have my neighborhood. Why do I care Dave? We didn't understand that nature did this and we didn't understand that a fungus did so we gotta ask ourselves what else does fungus do in our guts in our environment environment in our food. Got An expert on the show. Who knows a thing or two about this all right? Today's guest is a friend and her name is Terrie Cochran. She is a integrative practitioner and a personalized channelize healthcare person. I guess you'd call it. She has a methodology called the Cochran method which looks at biochemistry nutrition genetic tendencies Herbs Herbs and counseling to figure out custom things that work when other people down and I found she has a very deep knowledge of some of these pathways inside the body that most of us have never heard of and she knows how to hack them and she's written a book called the wilder -Tarian Diet living as nature intended. So so we're going to talk today. About how what you eat turns your genes on or off. We're talking about EPA genetics and nutrigenomics. And how things that you might. I've heard me referred to earlier. Wild caught wild fed proteins lead to better health. Starting at your molecules dirty cells and moving on up we're also going to go deep on some of the cool all biochemical reactions. You don't know about in your body and why black beans suck Terry. Welcome to the show David so great to be with you and your audience. I was just thinking about the nightmare. Had last night in the nightmare was someone gave me a Kale Salad with black beans on top like man. Could you imagine something thing worse. No Bueno Dave. No way now. I don't know why I'm against black beans today but I can just tell you bean eaters. I was hoping that you were not going to say put. Black beans are good for you. I need wouldn't. Let's let's talk about your children because as as you talk about how you became the expert that you are What happens it's like what would made you learn about this well? The trajectory to a great discovery sometimes starts with a limiting belief system. When someone tells you that your child will never be normal will not grow past five foot four and will live with brain seizures? Most of his life At the time I received that diagnosis when my son was three years old I was working for a fortune. Fifty company running one of their departments Managing over a billion dollars assets. And when you hear that kind of information flood into your ears and then into your nervous system it's quite a shock of course and the first thing you say is well maybe we can figure this out and live with it. And then as we went down the multiple rabbit holes of allergists just and endocrinologists and Other sorts of doctors aware my son was only further falling off the cliff. I made the determination nations that he would not be one of those statistics that I would be that mother that was going to try to figure it out. And the reason why I had that as has a Underlying solution seeking. Mantra is because I'm Cuban refugee and came to this country. We lost everything and my parents never lived in the the State or vibration of victimhood instead. We focused on solutions. How do we do the best? We can with what we have. And how do we surpass where we are and so. That really became very much of an under girding as I became that health detective for my son while working in the financial services industry. So so you're a someone who manages. COMPLEX BILLION DOLLAR PLUS cash management investment management is a very complex system with tons of variables. And you turn that around around and said all right. I'm going to work on my son. So what how's your son like. What would happen well? The boy that couldn't they they said he would not be normal and they were right. He became superhuman. I heard there's a really good book out there. There was just released. What we found was when we uncovered his underlying root causes? He became a gold medal at the junior Olympics in karate national champion Campion valediction speaker at his school. He was on a full academic right. At University of Virginia became one of the top scholars. There started multiple multiple programs in social justice at University of Virginia. He's a singer. He released an album and now he's doing some some good work and social justice he just moved to New York City in Ncaa proud mom so just a bit high five mom thank you now. It turns out that what you were feeding. Your son was a major variable here. How'd you figure that out? Absolutely I became this rabid researcher. I'm a risk manager. I was a risk manager as you mentioned for multiple billions of dollars assets and I soon became a risk manager for his health. And this is before Google wasn't even around the Internet was just starting Almost twenty years ago and so I went to libraries and I interviewed parents. I interviewed anyone. I can get a hold of love but the one tipping point and we hit that tipping point with a mountain of books. It's on my kitchen table. It was food allergies allergy connection with food and I realized that the standard American Diet Diet that I was feeding my son. Although it was organic I was feeding him peanuts everyday. We'll talk about the. I called peanut the devil on steroids. Master major aflatoxin talks in which is a mycotoxin on steroids We were feeding him a wheat. Which has glyphosate as we now know which are so dilatory areas of because of the roundup that sprayed on the the week crops? We were feeding him a lot of citrus and orange juice which is sugar which feeds the streptococcus and the Candida that was so living in his body because he was given irregular dose of sixty milligrams of prednisone for a three year old. So that's a heavy duty dose for an adult. He was like Spiderman. We had to pull him off the walls he was so Really jacked up and that with combination of albuterol which which is also a stimulant. This gentle young soul was really really Over over driven in his adrenals so those favorite foods of America the peanut butter the orange juice the wheat the corn. Of course. Because that's what we you know the popcorn and the corn the corn chips even as we moved away from gluten. There's so many products as you know that you don't eat gluten but now you're eating corn and soy which are just as dilip serious for other reasons so when I figured out that we eliminated those five foods within four days he started breathing and that was his journey to him. uh-huh and it's especially Twenty years ago It's hard for you if you're twenty five years old you're five years old and it's like this but if you told someone someone what I eat changes how I feel they would tell you are stupid and paranoid but hold on a second here. I am three hundred pounds and my brains all over the place and I feel like crap and if I don't eat that I can focus. I feel it but then it's because that was something wrong with me and there was a moral failing and we still have some of that mindset going on here but the idea is I I know some people seem perfectly fine on corn. I still think it's bad for them but it's not as bad for them as it is someone else. What's your take on that the people who who just like corn I feel great i? I'm superhuman what's going on with just I'm picking on coordinator but but what's actually happening. There is a bad for all of us. People get away. Auditor's would actually good for some people great question so I when somebody asked me is this. Is this good for me. My Pat answer is maybe because because it depends on your genetic blueprint and your current state of health. Now having said that there are such outliers that the body has to work so hard to get to Homeo- stasis or rebalance onset self than I would say why would you WanNa make your body work so hard so you know. In terms of corn. The the majority of Corn is genetically modified lied which doesn't even make an ancient form of corn that had a higher protein content that had better minerals but the standard American can corn on our grocery shelves. Today is a mycotoxin which is a fire starter for many many bad things in our body record isn't megabucks and you're saying it contains it contains. Excuse me contains mycotoxin. Well it's it's the way that we grow it. It's the way that we store for it. And it's the way that we actually feed our monocropping so we no longer do rotation in our crops when we plant plant every year and so part of it is the nutrients ninety percent of the soil has been nutrient depleted so any of those those same nutrients get depleted pleaded year after year from the same crop. The crop won't receive it and the Earth won't have it so that's one of the primary reasons there's complexity there that I didn't think think you'd go there but We know we are going to go deeper about micro-toxins because you've really studied them and I would consider you an expert on them but okay there's a fungus called Zara. In the way you think about micro-toxins there's fields toxins and there's storage toxins and corn grains in general but corn specifically suffers from both and what we used to have when we handled our soil correctly is we had sorry em would grow in Corn Corn Corn Smut or Corn Russ and you'd open up the corn. There's some black stuff in there. You probably WANNA eat it. Although in Mexico there's a kind of like deformed ugly corn that's moldy corn and that's a safe species of mold for most people. If you're not sensitive it's weird but it's like you're eating tumors. I don't think oh goodness out attractive anyway. I look At I look at what's going on now. Well when you spray glyphosate on the soil it makes the fungus. That's naturally present in the soil. Make five hundred times more taxon and for sorry and makes a bunch of them but Fu Sorresen is one of them and what ended up happening now is that for sorry moved into the roots of our corn. So now it's part of the corn itself so now you have these nice juicy looking corn kernels but this was sorry I'm is built into corn itself. And what is also not recognized is that corn will and other plants will complex the desire to protect themselves so they'll attach a sugar molecule to it which means if Assam detection and test won't detect the toxin however as soon as your body cleaves the sugar off with an enzyme in the stomach you have through Sarasin or the other toxins made by for sorry. I'm so so this whole complex system I'm talking with Lana and you know hey. Popcorn cooked in butter. It's delicious and it's not gluten and so it's like should we give give it to the kids my guy. I don't think it's a good idea like let's not get them hooked on popcorn at the same time you know it'd be nice to go buy some super high and stuff I've found over the last I wherever fifteen years. The percentage of corn. That's worth eating. Goes down and down and down to the point that I don't even bother trying anymore but I do believe in fifteen years ago you could occasionally occasionally get some good popcorn. That wouldn't mess with you. I believe I believe that too. Absolutely Inane Michael Paulin de Omnivores a dilemma author of the OMNIVORES DILEMMA. Emma and then Many books beyond that said that we were a bunch of walking corn sticks and I take that one step further. I say we're a bunch of walking mold sticks because corn effectively translates to mold and then as you talked about the life estate the glyphosate dilitariness on so many levels. Because one of the other things that it has done to us is that it has inhibited. Our body's ability to produce the gut bacteria which breaks down oxalates. Let's which has a tie into micro-toxins therefore exacerbating our situation with things all things mold and Michael toxic now. I'm I'm well known because with bulletproof coffee. I said like Okra talks. And a which is a very well known in well characterized on toxin. Goes after the bladder and the kidneys very specifically in other parts of the Mitochondria as well. But it's it's bad news and it survives roasting it is present in coffee and beer and wine And Grains in general depending on the year and how they're grown is a both a fields toxin and a storage toxin and saying I'm going to eliminate this as much much as possible from coffee and put in very strict limits. And what do you know I get a different result from my coffee and it should pissed off some coffee people that guys. I've got the numbers. And by the way Stu most of the global most of the countries on the planet have sanders just not us in the US. Sorry guys very grateful for that. Good Coffee Dave. 'cause I drink it in. I feel the difference but it it still drives me nuts. That people like. That's just marketing. Why do whatever have thirty four studies that pay for? Why did China put China known for their food quality quality? Why did they have standards for this toxin yet? Most people outside of Agricultural Research and and people who are growing animals like cows and sheep and chickens. It's in pigs. They know about this toxin because it reduces for in their animals and they can't make money if they feed it to their animals except if they feed it to them before they're going to die which is what they do so like you you and I are going to have to agree and I think we do. This is an issue people listening. Who are still skeptical? Look I wish it wasn't my life would be better without micro-toxins except for penicillin. I like that Alan. Because it's Kinda can save your life if you're infected. That's right okay. So I feel like we've talked about the definition like these poisons by molds but We haven't talked about something that you have really called out And it's one of the the seven pillars of aging superhuman. I read about amyloid. I called Cellular straitjackets. And but can you define what Emma Lloyd's are for people. And then I want you to talk about your system view of mycotoxin stress Amyloid Loyd and just inflammatory foods but I what is amyloid. amyloid is a MIS folded protein. That actually we we have amyloid body and when our body is in balance it becomes part of our homeo- static mechanism meaning. We try to those amyloid in check. Doc are part of our eating aware implant inflammatory responses however we have now hit a tipping point on a MIS folded protein structure coming from from our food supply and the biggest offender of that is according to studies out of Cambridge Japan chicken. I have now deemed chicken. The dirty already bird chicken in its tissue because of its crowding conditions carries the highest amyloid. Count and Dave. I will tell you we we are so in my practice with all the clinical outcomes. We had type one diabetic. We were able to reduce his insulin by almost ninety percent and rid his yeah of his Osteomyelitis within four weeks. He had one meal of chicken in his blood. Sugar increased by two hundred points for four days because nasty. It's not good for you. It is not on the bulletproof diets in a yellow zone. So people can eat it but it seriously. It's it's not a good call. It's not a good call so we have in air go. The wilder -Tarian Diet is that we found through clinical literature in there for the clinical outcomes in my practice purpose. Is that our traditional animal meat in particular chicken being worst beef being second worst and those they've been studied specifically on amyloid but also Turkey and pork. They carry these truncated protein structures. What's so interesting about these Tamil? Lloyd's is that they're now. Being linked to contributing to autoimmune disease to type one diabetes to kidney disease to Alzheimer's Parkinson's Jason and the dirty little secret which I believe I'm pioneering in is that we now know that the micro-toxins the biofilm that they produce reduce feed the amyloid will wire amyloid so deleterious because the virus is in our body used the amyloid the to protect their protein eighteen coding. And so now what's happening is I'm saying these viruses are Rip van winkle coming up from a very very long sleep these viruses that used to impart immunity in us on our our now beginning to impart auto immunity because a a reactivation activation of an ideology component immune Gamma Globulin of a virus is being heralded to be contributory to polycystic Ovarian Syndrome through the ERA Cella Virus Epstein Barr Eighty two percent of hush emoto's linked to the Epstein Barr virus of a reactivation. You don't have to have Mono Lonzo to have clinically Epstein Barr doing bad things in your body so these are just two of the big ones. But I'm I'm calling calling it the ping pong effect by Biofilm for the micro-toxins make amyloid guests. What amyloid speed biofilm okay? The viruses hide inside the biofilm. Tom So this is some complex stuff so you eat something or probably breath something. It seems like environmental toxins are worse than eating them depending on the species dose on all that but so you're exposed and now micro-toxins are antibiotics is ancient war between fungus And Mold and bacteria that's why the first penicillin came from penicillin from cantaloupe and they noticed. Oh it kills bacteria. And that's so the bacteria they sense that these Fungal metabolites are there and then the bacteria say right. We are going to do what I call the fourth F. You know all life in order does does fight or flee. You know the fear thing the food thing the other f word that we all know but not allowed to say unless I wanNA mark this explicit right and then friend so we we we unites and we make an army or we make a factory in like we do stuff so the mold metabolites force the bacteria Organiz into these biofilms right. Exactly now. I've got mold caused a biofilm and bacteria. Yes No link to amyloid so now. We're seeing that. The the biofilm has been linked to creating feeding amyloid structures in our body and then the amyloid have been linked to having the viruses. Fortify themselves in what I'm saying it's reawakened okay. So then the amyloid made by the bathroom so by film is Cranking Eminence. Yes and amyloid feed feed each other. Yesterday are the armor plated protection for the viruses. So that they don't get taken up Armenian system. Exactly 'cause we we have a higher viral load because this guy's now chicken definitely raises insulin in most people. It's almost universally high-end glyphosate fus eight and high in actually high and bad fats is one of the reasons low in my diet. High in a mega sixteen if coconut oil and and whatever they just make a lot of Omega six so I'm not A. I'm not a fan of chicken. I do have five Turkeys this year in in our front yard feeding off whatever wild stuff they get. But that's more because I wanna eat their eggs. That's burt yeah. Ours are pretty darn wild ugly good anyway. Now you're things on the interesting though you're saying that beef and Pork are Are also really bad in this Yet wild wild hunters throughout all of history would eat those animals. You would eat a buffalo which basically a wild cow. You had wild-boar You would certainly if you get a bird you have to have a sling to get one Or does he the Dodo bird or something. You'd pretty much eat those things so while l. d. -tarian diet yet. Okay beef bad for you. I don't know I kinda like beef. My land so it's really interesting so to your point. What we're finding is is when we live and eat as nature intended which was before the crowding conditions the antibiotics the hormones? The feeding of corn the torturing quartering of these animals these animals did not produce the amyloid in their tissue. So it's not believe it's industrial meat. That's the issue there you go if if we can get back to what nature intended beef will be fine but we know that. DNA transfers generation. And so we've got to make sure that that pasture fed cow first we have to define what is pasture fed because is pasture. Fed is a pasture finished. What does the FDA allow his meaning to be pasture fed to do? They need to be out on the pasture for five minutes minutes in their lifetime. So I identify what it means and then secondly if if in fact we can return these species to the way that nature veteran tended. We will once again have these rich meats and amino acids and the Good Omega we know that Bison is much what the study these show that Bison is actually hired Omega threes and salmon at least if the Bison is federal aid if it's a happy bites and we have to make sure that they're happy and not tortured exactly. Yeah I remember A while back I went to central markets in Austin and they've been a longtime supporter of bulletproof and I went in and I went to the meat counter there and they had this most amazing grass-fed bison and fat was orange. And and see this. Is what healthy of ruminants do they make yellow and orange fat. Because it's full of Keratin awards from their diet and the butcher. I talked to him about. I said that's that's the most amazing Guy Hotel. I JUST WANNA buy. That need it. And he said Yeah. You're unusually so I'm GONNA discontinue that I said why. And he said because people don't want to buy orange fat they think it should be white. Oh my goodness no. Give me the yellow fat. That's the most flavorful amazing stuff and in in superhuman like. Look you should should be eating less than twenty percent of your calories from from animals or just from any kind of protein. You Infants these plant proteins which are quite often toxic for you and the reason you do that is because excessive proteins of bad fuel source. But you also when you think about it like that you can afford grass fed meat and we can have distributed agriculture which makes ex-oil which sucks carbon out of the air. And so I'm just. I got to say this if you're Vegan you're listening to this and you don't already hate me for saying Vegan diets unhealthy. I am more in alignment with you. You eat your damn veggies and don't torture animals. I do not eat. I will not eat industrial meat. I ordered the vegetarian meal at a restaurant usually actually Vegan 'cause they're using crappy proteins and the vegetarian stuff so allied butter to my vegetables. So like this is how I actually have eaten for more than ten years. Actually now jeeze likes likes eighteen years I think and it has changed my life. That's why have animals in my backyard. 'cause I can eat them and I know what they ate so I just got off my house in a minute here. But you're providing the science to support the The behaviors there that I'm recommending that you recommend in the welded -Tarian bug and is how hard is it for you like people listening right now the growing too much seriously. I just WANNA eat my chicken wings. How much how much time and energy you put into getting your meat? I say we can be wild in five seriously seriously. It engaged in five minutes. We can get. We can be wild in five minutes and we can either prep or make a meal in five. Just know where your sources are coming from I have inorganic called your get it. But you're here in McLean and I know the owner. We know where the resources are coming from. I just bought some elk and some antelope from him this weekend. They're fabulous. I had this mazing elk tenderloin incredible So no your sources and it can be very easily procured secured. We just have to be informed and I completely agree with you in terms of the wilder -Tarian Diet. We say we're equal opportunity. You can be planned pace. You can be fish base. You can be Combo Platter based just IPE Basti to add to your genetic blueprint and where you are on your health continuum now in terms of being planned based just how do you be plant-based without making nutrient depleted soil. Terry that's a really good question. Dave well one of the things we can do is getting back back to our smaller gardens going back to community community gardens going back to those. Don't you have to put animal poop in the soil on your community garden. I don't know we have to poop. Put Animal Poop in the soil. I think we can get nutrient rich store. I know we went. And we need nitrogen and this is a question that may be out of my realm of expertise but I do believe that part of it is stopping the monocropping we are. There is no sustainability saint ability in large scale agriculture. As we know it today in the United States our soil is toast and we've destroyed millions of square miles of prairie which was healthy soil to make corn to make ethanol because of bad legislation. Just dumb behaviors so we we've got to get that fixed but I do know as is a permaculture list as organic farmer where there have been pigs were there have been sheep. You have amazingly fertile soil and where where there are no animals. You get a slow decline in the soil and I do have wild animals. We actually have three bears in the backyard right now so hopefully electric fences work against them. I haven't they haven't tried to go after the sheep yet and if they get one more power to him well you know what's really interesting. Dave is I visited a polytheists space farms and the work of Joel. Solomon I went to his lunatics tour on the show. He took a decimated piece of property and created a topiary society for little happy animals. And he did it with their with their poop so and so. I don't think we can support a plant based Diet. I think it's actually environmentally harmful full. And there's those people are saying I'm just GONNA eat plant. So we're almost out of the nitrogen. We mind to feed you those plants the only way we can get that is by rotating our crops drops and having animals come through between the crops and crap on the ground. This is how it works and until we have some some other technology we shine a laser at the ground. The girl soil or something everyone eats plants. We will have exactly zero of the heritage species that have kept all all humans alive for probably ten thousand plus years. That's a really brilliant statement and what I do know and what I believe is not been proven yet. Is this methane. That they're saying from the hoofed animals will. How is it now that we're producing so much methane when the they have been on the planet for Millennia might theory is? They're eating indigestible food. When we can't digest our food would we do we produce methane feed them what they were intended to eat and the methane the methane concentrations will go down there meant to be urban wars and in corn is not not considered to be healthy for them any level cook the addicts out of their diet for sure absolutely and there've been a few studies of grass-fed Fed Animals saying oh they they might make more they might make less. This studies aren't conclusive by a long shot Bottom line though is I actually helped to fund the carbon capture the x prize where there were actually awarding the first team you can capture carbon out of the air a sizable is like five or ten million dollar prize. And then I looked at this soil is the most efficient carbon capture thing out there so even if an animal makes carbon dioxide or methane if the soil that it produces uses sucks more than that out we still win and if you WANNA eat that nutrient food for for the vegetable portion of your diet. If there is no demand for a diverse this species of her diverse species of animals that are part of agriculture. There will be no more animals like they will literally all die and we've already lost thousands thousands of variants of cattle and sheep for instance the sheep in my in my pastor there a kind that are pretty good for wool. Pretty good for milk and pretty good for meet now. This is a hard to find species because who wants pretty good. If you're growing wool you want ones that are basically stick and fluff so you kill all the ones is that. Aren't that and if you want ones. That are just walking muscle with no no so we ended up with these weird Turkeys with that are so big. Those are bad for us us and to go back to this wild attaran world. I feel like we've got address agriculture. I know that's not your main focus. But I I just want people listening. If you read the wild tearing diet read the bulletproof Diet and just say I'm gonNA eat a an animal in its natural state. It's hard to find them. But if you say oh I'm not gonna every animal because then an emo would have to be killed. You are not going to be able to feed your children if you keep doing that. That's crew. I Agree David. In part of the book does focus on how we've lost our connection the nature and what the cost is this nutrient depleted crowding conditioned antibiotic shooting into our animals phenomena. So you're saying though if an animal is raised properly yes especially multi generational because opportunities that they don't make amyloid 's that's right they are gonNa make not amyloid that we're eating eating that we can't digest and you know it was really interesting. They did a study with mice is that you fed the mammal. Lloyd's the The mice became super inflamed and then they died You stop beating the amyloid. The amyloid the mice in the amyloid were gone in their little bodies. And so this is there so much nutritional beauty in how we can resolve chronic conditions in our country if we focus on the food. It's the often the Omega Save. You can do everything else right. You get the food wrong. He's still not going to get it right in superhuman. I really dug in on Kate. Why are we getting this less flexible tissue and I looked at amyloid? They're just last a statistical proteins. Now why do our bodies make emily's because Beta amyloid in the brain is well known for people used to think of the cause of Alzheimer's some some people still do. It's very clearly a symptom of whatever's causing Alzheimer's which has metabolic dysfunction and with. Emily leads the more four inflammation. You have in the body. The more emily's Emily's are basically like like calluses or scar tissue on your cells and if you take an animal and you stress Russet its entire life and you feed it crap and you do things like calculate the caloric efficiency and you can hack that you you can put a mycotoxin in a cow's ear get fat on one third less calories and you'll make one third more money right that's disgusting and horrible. But they do it. So you get these inflamed animals you eat an inflamed inflamed animal. Oh my God might you also get inflamed. It's not that hard to understand. But this is what's going on in. Emily are one of the smoking guns of aging the seven pillars of aging reduces. amyloid live longer absolutely so it's an inflammatory problem like almost everything else. And you're saying wild animals are less inflamed than industrial animals. Go figure I'm getting it. Okay so the things that cause amyloid one of them's micro-toxins because these parts per billion level of multi axons 'cause tissues in humans and animals to become inflamed which causes emily production. Yes circa and what hasn't been clear until you've really really been the guiding voice on this. You're saying okay now these emily there what are they doing besides just keeping your tissues from being flexible. Oh they're making the viral reload worse indeed. Indeed that's really. We have done so much. Great Work Dave on identifying these reactivation of viruses when people have been diagnosed with end stage cancer or infertility or ms or hush motos and you look at their viral Load you make them wild. You stop feeding the amyloid structure US lower their mycotoxin Proportions in their body audio feed them the right fats. Depending on their genetic blueprint to see how much it can assimilate in these situations resolve over and over and over again. The body is highly intelligent and wants to be imbalanced. So when your viral load goes up that causes inflammation right. Yes search search creates more Emma Lloyd's and all that so that what starts the cycle is it is it. Eating amyloid is eating micro-toxins I think it's the Trifecta it's the fact that we have the glyphosate which has done a what I given us a triple whammy glyphosate which is also called Roundup which is roundly sprayed on our crops in particularly wheat. It does three very bad things for us it mimics mimics. The amino acid lysine. Lysine is necessary for the production of hydrochloric acid which not only breaks down protein but it helps to break down the overgrowth of bacteria and bad boys. He's in our system it also interrupts the body's ability to convert sulfur to sulfate so all those happy little vegetables of Kale L.. Which I now call killer Kale depending on your genetic blueprinting and your air curve you pale? It stops the body's ability to simulate eight sulfur in so sulfur which is so important for our integrity. Our brain function are neurotransmitters. Are tenants were getting stuck in this. Sulfur metabolite so we can't do it. We're supposed to do. And then the third thing is it has really reduce the body's ability to produce the good gut bacteria that makes us a be able to metabolize oxalates. which are found in spinach and almonds in those nasty black beans that we talked about the second? We haven't talked much about oxygenates. I I really. I really offended Joe Rogan when I went on his show. 'cause he was telling people to drink these. He's Rock Hill smoothies in the morning and Joe like let's go through some chemistry like let's maybe we can modify this. Let's just like Cook or Kale and dump the water. And I think I I heard his feelings because he got a little upset or maybe it was financially motivated F that I don't know I'm not gonNA. I'm not gonNA ascribe motive to poor behavior but but I do know that a lot less. People are drinking Kale smoothies now because of that oxo acid problem like oh what am I joined her. Why do I have muffin top? It's because of this stuff stuff like walk me through the biochemistry of what they do in the body okay so exotic acid so oscillates new you have genetic predispositions their certain genetic Eh polymorphism that will make you less likely to be a great metabolize a box. Listen we've heard the oxygen of kidney stones and gallstones. They create calcium crystals within our body. But the the other thing that oxalates can do it's been really now linked to autism her. Yeah totally right right. So how these oxalate S- will disrupt the dopamine metabolism and dopamine is are happy feel good sleep good would have executive functioning neurotransmitters. But what's so interesting Dave. Is that the fricking micro-toxins which then make aspergillus which then feed the oxalates as we go oxalates in your you have it yes exactly. So it's again that ping-pong effect so now we can no longer rely on unhealthy foods that are high knocks like that at acid. If we have certain genetic predispositions if we've been exposed to micro-toxins if we've been over consumed with AMYLOID 's and if we're stressed which is the next big thing so if you're in perfect health you can eat kale but if you're not in in perfect health it's bad for you. I say I call it killer Kale. You know it's not good for me. It's not good for a lot of my clients and they come into me as saying I'm so sore and I don't understand because I'm having having killed smoothies every day I I'm arthritic and I feel like I'm one hundred. Fifty is but kill is a plant plant based food right. It is there for all plant based foods will kill you yell Oh hold on. I was using vegan logic because one animal protein is bad for you therefore they all will kill you. You didn't know no that's true. That's why we're all by individual days. That's actually the first chapter of the China study is this the one extracted protein from milk casein. which isn't good for you? Because that's bad all all animal. It's bad logic so I will say that if people most people want eat a piece of Kale every now and then you want that Kale Bacon whatever thing is probably fine for me actually gives me sore joints and makes me Kinda pissed off and I don't need it and it's okay Either way but this idea that it's GonNa be good for you oxalates. ACID is the plant defense compound that you're not going to be able to handle imperfect health and if you're in perfect health is Kayla tale a great choice. I don't think it's a great choice. Because actually they've done studies on kill. It really absorbs all these toxins. It's like a sponge in fact the poisoners poison it. It's one of the the long standing things that they would do for thousands of years especially in Russia and thallium is replaced potassium in the body entail absorbs fouling from the environment. Better than anything else. And this woman The toxic metals are a bigger and bigger problem absolute and they will cause inflammation which causes Zamil. which puts you right back on this cycle that you just described so I'm you know I don't want to pick just on Kale but I will say that my pigs and sheep will spit out rock how they don't when he deemed it killer whale because it's got so many things that could go wrong and so why do we want to risk it again? If you're imperfect health every here and there but I don't like it i. I accidentally took a kill smoothie and I had to get off the highway because my brain was not working properly and you have a more extreme response within the average person probably is that unhealthy behaviors in the past. Like why you well why me well great question I do have all the genes I have. I have the seahawks gene the CBS gene. I've got the side chrome P.. Four fifty family of genes. I've got compound a Hetero Sagas for the methylation snips I should say snips not jeans. And so I'm more delicate. A delicate flower. But it doesn't but I'm also incredibly robust because I know what to eat and how to eat and doesn't mean I'm deprived in any way. I am a complete food. You and I have dined together. We enjoy beautiful food together but beautiful food. That is beautiful for us. I actually saw you flicking black beans at JJ. Virgin was that on camera. Jj Listening. She's been on the show several times she's different and has endorsed my books and all and I have no idea if she's hugely into black beans or not. I'm just kidding but the the idea that black beans are high in oxygen gas. It isn't out there saying I'm going to be healthy. I'm feeling bad I'm fat. I'm Puffy I'm inflamed and I want to be healthy so I'm going to get rid of the industrial meet in my Taco and make a black bean taco now getting industrial meat thumbs up if industry. You're a bad person. Because you're torturing animals destroying the soil destroying the environment creating antibiotic resistance feeding corn and Glyphosate and and just like seriously. It sucks it's not. It's not food. Don't do that okay. But is which is better black beans or what did you put in your Damn Taco. Although you're going to get rid of the the flour and corn tortillas well anyway what do you what do you eat if you're if you don't have access at some restaurant to grass fed meat as they're really good questions questions so I- gravitate towards lamb. I really like Lamm. There's you know in the restaurants you can find some lamb Lovett lamb. You know the conjugated linoleic acid. My brain food baby. I love that stuff I just go outside. And take a bite of the lamb lamb Sushi lamb on the COB. I like to call us look at lower lower mycotoxin options but until hold on a second you can get lamb. You're gonNA spend like forty bucks on a meal. It's lunch time I I'm going to so everybody order so I do order. I you know I I have my restaurant that I gravitate towards. I won't eat chicken so if if you have the what I call the lease worse options right so chicken I will never put on my plate anymore. I know too much about it. I haven't had it in two years. Not One stick a ticket. I haven't had it in ten years. I don't eat that I love it. I'M GONNA put you in my next week. You can feel the difference a- seriously if you're going to chicken free diet for awhile and then just go pound some chicken and feel so. What does the next morning? It's very obvious Mary obvious so what I usually try to do is. I'll try to go with fish. Fish tends to be generally safer. I won't don't do black beans but I I. I'll if you have a lentil soup even though it's a little bit got mycotoxin so as I look at what the hierarchy of needs in is in the in that food constituent constituent lentils will also afford me some b twelve which is really important for my methylation jeans it also a give me some good iron and it's got a lot of good fiber so sometimes times we make the least worst choices got US A. You'll eat lentils at restaurants if you have to but they're not your first choice. They're not my first choice. Usually it's going to be Fisher lamb. I would say lintels even on the bulletproof roadmap lentils are much higher than the corn and wheat berries soup right so it's not like it's binary in some cases for me chicken it's it's binary. I'd rather just facts. And if it's industrial meat even if it's you you know a nice of Usda Prime Rib. I'm sorry if it's not it's not food IT IS I. I will fast all eat the Broccoli or I mean I've been to a remote parts of China where there's not food safety. I'll have the white rice. Thank you very much and I'll pour my brain octane on their absolutely right idea. Nonwhite Nice right like you can do that but but when you look at food through that Lens you realize Oh. I went to the restaurant all right. I'm going to challenge you talk. Oh Gosh Lettuce. Her Pinto Beans Pinto beans. I'll be inflamed and I know I know that's a good one. Just keep driving. There's going to be miss g and the rice to that one keepdriving so I do or lettuce but seriously why bother reading. Legislators no food in there so there are places where you're like. Oh I don't eat there. It's as sorry guys. Jared dared lost some weight there But we all know about jared jared So like what do you do there. You simply say I'm GonNa both my dollars I don't like this. Bread is not really bread. This meat is not really meet. It's not like it. It's not in my universe and I can tell you I don't see subway and when when you realize this isn't food your body. Edit them out of your environment absolutely absolutely yeah people say oh. It's by the McDonalds McDonalds. I it's around the corner from you make really because it's no longer marked in my mind is food and sorry. McDonald's I see see that you're actually changing. Some of your patties are actually all beef now. But they're all industrial beef. Come on we have to upgrade anyway. I got soapbox there but the point there is if you go to restaurant. That's a decent restaurant you can usually find a piece of fish yes absolutely now. Here's the hard question. Will you eat a piece of farm salmon. Wow Okay it depends on how hungry I am. I will eat it if I'm really starving and I've been in a conference for several days in. Its I'm still going to get something and it would. It's going to do what really kicks Micheals oxalates chicken amyloid. Yep and sulfur those. Those three are my non-negotiables. Now you talk about sulfur. And it's interesting because certainly sulfur African mess with people but glued a theon is a sulfur containing molecule. I drink a lot of San Pellegrino. Tien sulfate which your body actually needs. Let's go to like what's the deal. Why is sulfur? We're good ways. Sulfur bad okay. So sulfur sulfur in the form of sulfate as you noted is actually quite good quite good for attendance our joints. Our mental health are good. Help we need it. But we can't get to it because glyphosate has interrupted its pathway and with my genetic predisposition I that will also turn turn to calcification for me and it will leak my gut. It's been really linked impaired. Sulfur processing has been really linked to Abby S IBD krones ulcer colitis. It does a number on our gut And so for me I call. I have there's a continuum of sulfur. I Call Broccoli and cauliflower the kinder gentler sulfur wise cauliflower kinder because it also contains manganese which helps reduce histamine response. And if sulfur is GonNa give me a histamine response response and Cauliflower Lowers histamine response. It's a net zero in that piece of it. Can we just pound manganese capsules and be done with it we can we can but we don't want to be too much but yeah it can be toxic so it is that so I do make some choices around that but for me sulfur. Her is problematic. Garlic raw. Garlic for me is really consent me off in my joints when people say well I can smell garlic in my person a day later. Hey folks damage it and process it in that you're turning into a sulfur metabolite and go figure if you didn't if you missed that stop sign your joints cert-. I put garlic and onions pretty far down. Millions of people downloaded the bulletproof diet roadmap. Because it's free right and it sort of lets talk ranks. It's like what some people handle garlic and onions pretty darn well but maybe because of the sulphur. Maybe because there's another compound in his name I'm forgetting right now. ellison negative there you go. Yeah it is. It's not that there's another one that's actually chemically very similar to teach but there's some effects on and brain function and honestly. I get angry when I have garlic a and yes polymorphism you have that. Ah Smell bad I live. I don't get body odor for days and days even if I don't take a shower. Granted my skin by healthy homes healthy and all that kind of stuff but but this evening I used to smell like really bad at the end of the day and now God. It must be sick if that happens and garlic changes that it does change. Oh you know what I do know is. If you cook garlic it's going to be or bureaus CARNAC. It's going to be gentler and Thursday a tipping point and the reason why garlic I call it. The body's hierarchy of needs. So if you have a massive fungal infection garlic will help you on some level. So what's the body's hierarchy of needs. When you come to our clinic we help you figure that out? But it's not going to be on your on your main main stage plate all the time if you have an impaired sulfur processing mechanism which is being fueled by the glyphosate right now. Eh You talk about something. That's super out there And you talk about the relationship between your words and your food food. Oh yes through. Walk me through that okay. We'll we're beginning to see that. The emerging science of vibrational everything we vibrate at certain frequencies every thought we think every word that leaves our mouth has has a vibrational frequency if we have and this is studies that Have University of Pennsylvania and other universities are showing and of course the work of Dispense Joe Dispenser Benza. WHO's become an international phenomenon? Is that when we entertain thoughts of. I don't want to eat this food. I'm going to eat this in. It's GonNa make me fat. Why do I have to cook this meal? I didn't want to cook this meal. You are imparting a low vibration into thinking which then has carries an energetic frequency quincy which will then potentially lower the the nutrient vibrancy of that food. And also when when we're mad upset. The two Itary can't signal for the stomach to make hydrochloric acid. So guess what. We're not going to digest our food that well and so there's multiple effects that are happening on the body bio chemically and energetically and so we say your words and your thoughts. I have a direct impact on the bioavailability of the foods that you are eating and words can be in a way poison to she less and thoughts can be poison as well now. I'm I'm happy that you say that. And you look back throughout all traditions. They bless their food. They say a prayer before food and I've had so many different spiritual and other types of teachers just say like you'd have to Prato specific thing. Just think good thoughts about your food for eat it and it probably does something there. I don't know that we understand all the science behind mechanisms but is certainly not going to harm you. Unless you're wasting the five seconds takes to that before you eat so it's a good practice. I don't always do it. But it seems to be a good one and also identifying food is a threat versus something that's not food is also very different. Exactly I love that distinction Dave. It's not food is sort of like. I don't even associate with it because I don't energetically connect to it. If it's not a food source. I have no polarity. I have no energy around that. I'm not giving energy to it. As opposed to Oh my gosh. I'm going to eat this and it's going to do something to my body. It's already doing something to your body before it enters. Your mouth is funny if most people if you walk outside you just pick a leaf and you eat it. You're GonNa have the worst a day of your life if you don't have been the hospital like most plants are out to just kill you. You'll walk around going. Oh my God. I'm surrounded by these things that are laced with poison and so you can look at this thing like chicken and be like Oh. I have a strong aversion to chicken. You'll probably have a worse allergy to chicken like chicken. Cause it's not compatible with me indeed. Read the side canty chicken. I just like the effects and so I totally agree with you like your your mental mindset. Your your language around food matters writers and I'm just going to have to say it again. Kale sucks and black beans suck. Because they're not food not not because you know they're evil or anything so there is a better night's better it on that note. I know we're coming up on the end of our interview Terry. I'm your book is called the wilder -Tarian Diet. Your website site is Teri Cochran. Dot Com T. R.. I C. O.. C. H. R. A. N. E. DOT COM and. Thanks for walking us through that very important understanding of how mold in our food in our environment creates bacterial biofilms at creates amyloid that creates viral load that creates inflammation that starts the recycle again. No one has ever elucidated that on the show and it's important so thank you thank you my great pleasure. You're welcome great to see you. If you guys like today's episode you know what to do. Pick up a copy of the welfare diet if you liked what you heard and if you didn't like what you heard then you're a bad person and it's okay you need you do some meditation okay. Maybe that's not actually the truth but you could pick up a copy of superhuman. You could leave a review for book that you liked whether it was. Terry's book my book or anyone else's book you can leave a review for the show or you could tip your uber or lift driver whatever. Show some gratitude. Today you'll like your life. Thank you for listening. 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#02 Is Cannabis Safe?  Part Two: Contaminants in Cannabis

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

25:44 min | 1 year ago

#02 Is Cannabis Safe? Part Two: Contaminants in Cannabis

"You're listening to the curious about cannabis podcast now and the ongoing vaping crisis as the CDC reports at least eighteen deaths now connected to vaping aping related illnesses lawmakers across the country weighing whether to put restrictions on it or ban. It altogether. Everybody this is Jason Wilson with a curious about cannabis podcast podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again now. This episode is part. Two of a three part series exploring cannabis safety and harm reduction. He hasn't listened to the first part of the series. A I really recommend stopping this episode and going back to listen to the series from the beginning now. Previously we explored some of the main chemicals that are found in cannabis and what the associated toxicity profiles are. We looked at the adverse health risks associated with cannabis and how cannabis can interact with medications. Today we're going. That'd be focusing on a critical topic that has a huge impact on the safety of cannabis products. And that's cannabis contaminants and so far everything we've explored about about the health risks of cannabis civic ignored a really critical element in that's contaminants so far. We've been assuming that if you're using cannabis that cannabis abyss must be clean. But unfortunately that's not always the case the cannabis contaminants that were looking at Anthony. Smith is a biochemist. Oh chemist that has spent the last five years analyzing cannabis products for potency purity in labs all across the United States and Canada. Ten minutes we're looking for are pesticides hides solvents heavy metals micro-toxins and then also microbiological contaminants eat holy and or s attack which is a Shiga Toxin E. Coli Salmonella Djilas a total mold or total. Aerobic plate counts Katrina nonspecific bacteria the most common contaminants that we find are definitely pesticides. I I would say four or five years ago. It was like a rampant rampant thing Where you know at times in Oregon's some times of of the year we were seeing pesticide-product failure rates at twenty percent or more I think the industry got a little bit of a black guy but honestly flee those rates today in Oregon Also in California for pesticide fails or in the two to four percent. Wow range it's fairly low and I mean back again back in the day I mean. A lot of those pesticide fails were products. That were consciously sprayed on the material. Either they didn't know that those materials were persist into the product or didn't care or didn't consult the list of things I don't know but today mostly when we talk to clients that have pesticide fails it it. Now it it's It's either a mistake or something that it was overlooked or sometimes unlisted unlisted product or just kind of a lack of control You Know An- An- not properly trained wind. Farm technician found something maybe in the farmhouse garage instead of in the sort of validated growing area and used it by accident or yeah whatever Sometimes agricultural over spray from Either neighboring cannabis farms or Gosh in Florida. A lot of products is coming up with Malathion. But there's parts of Florida where helicopters appears fly over neighborhoods spraying malathion swampy areas. So you're not paying attention to that and your greenhouses. He's just sucking it in and blowing it before we continue. Let's talk a little bit more about pesticides now. Many pesticides are designed to disrupt corrupt the nervous systems or hormone signaling in insects. The effect this has is basically excites the insect so much that it becomes paralyzed and eventually dies now. The problem is that the same effect can happen in humans. If someone is exposed to enough of a certain pesticide for long enough periods of time and you might be thinking what's the big deal about pesticides and cannabis specifically are we already exposed. Pesticides are food. Well technically that's true unfortunately but the problem relates to the way in which cannabis is consumed. You see when you eat something if if it has pesticides in it your liver goes to work to try to metabolize those products and get them excreted out of the body. It helps keep you safe and helps limit the amount of pesticides that actually reach your bloodstream. And get distributed throughout your entire body. Ever when you smoke something. You're bypassing that metabolic process. You're not allowing things to go through the normal route and get Go through what's called First Pass metabolism and allow the liver to break down some of these do things before it reaches your blood in your lungs. You've got these little sex called Alveoli that are basically the sites of gas and blood exchange so when you breathe in oxygen this is where the oxygen passes through the lungs and into the blood. Well when you he smoked cannabis in you inhale that cannabis smoke if it has pesticides in it. Those pesticides will actually pass through that barrier and reach your blood and then get distributed throughout your body without your liver ever having a chance to help you out. So that's really the main difference why smoking things with pesticides in them is such a bigger. Your problem than eating things have pesticides in them. Additionally some pesticides like Michael Butte nil which is a common fund aside often often used by cannabis cultivators can actually degrade into toxic compounds. Like hydrogen cyanide when they're heated. It's also really important point out that many pesticides as well as micro-toxins can become concentrated in cannabis extracts the whole process of making a cannabis concentrate concentrate can elevate contaminants like pesticides as much as five to ten times. The concentration that they were found in the cannabis flower. That was used to make them. This means if you're consuming cannabis concentrate your potentially being exposed to much greater doses of contaminants than if you're consuming the cannabis flower that was used to produce. That concentrate. Concentrate also WANNA point out that it's not enough to simply test or cannabis flower contaminants prior to making a concentrate. It's totally possible for there to be very trace amounts of pesticides or other contaminants present on that cannabis flower. That are not gonNA show up on any testing but once once you make that cannabis concentrate in those contaminants get concentrated. All of a sudden. You'll start to see them on tests at dangerous levels now. Let's go back to our conversation with Dr Smith Microbial contaminants At least on the Salmonella E-coli N.. Honestly we don't really see any significant it failure rates With modern shelf cannabis. That stuff is all pretty clean. Those are contaminants generally come from manure or UH At hand washing and so In California occasionally. We do see some problems with that in manufactured or infused products Because they're you know I didn't wash their hands making the cakes or whatever again that's though. Yeah and not not really a cannabis thing We do detect ASPERGILLUS We use PCR polymerase chain reaction Shen as a as a screening tool So this is a way to look for the genetic signature of a bunch of different microbes rapidly in a reaction and then if when we do get positive hits Those are always confirmed by direct culture. Plates So aspergillus is still still kind of a thing. this is why a lot of states require moisture moisture content measurement and or water activity measurements. What is this is a means of benchmarking? How dry your materials are in that? They're you're cured to a certain level so you don't have to worry about moulder a Growing out yeah absolutely Also you know while we're talking about mold and Fudgy ASPERGILLUS and other dark-colored molds produce their own sort of form of pesticides called mycotoxin. There are a number of micro-toxins is that are required to be tested for again. Not yet in Oregon I would. I would imagine that to the chemists. They look much like pesticides with respect to their chemistry and analyze them. SPEC in California Rupe has a specific requirement for mycotoxin testing. And so I would say the failure rate for those of you know about similar to the mold failure. Those are really the signature of mold down but they are persistent where you probably would only find mold in cannabis flower. Our time just like pesticides do occasionally be taxed micro-toxins in more finished products in raisins infused is products micro-toxins once produced or super super stable. They're very heat tolerant. Even under high pressure they seem to be able to survive those processes and unlike most pesticides like we know mycotoxin Mycotoxin hypoxia and and persistently or cumulatively they cause cumulative liver damage like your lifetime dose if you will matters a lot of pesticides e certainly. Don't want a lot of them in your bloodstream. They actually do from food but a lot of those are very well. Broken down by the liver and they're generally not that toxic pick below a certain level. That sounds funny to say but still yeah X.. The poison right. Yeah exactly mycotoxin is not so much. YEAH THEY THEY A. They do. Cause liver damage cumulatively. And so it's definitely not something that you want in your food. Yeah and they're They're pretty carcinogenic to from what I understand and It's something that When Oregon was developing the rules of surprised That might be toxins. Assume there was discussion about it early on and then it kind of fell out. But it's something that we you know some work trying to look at that and you know we were able to confirm like it's around for sure. Yeah it's it's fly around you know not super common but you know just in the context of public health and safety especially with how popular extracts are getting getting More and more in vape pens and dabbing and all this thing You know I have some pretty serious concerns about exposure to micro-toxins sins as well as pesticides and everything but pesticides seem to be one of the first contaminants. The state's catch onto that needs to be tested for. And so there's you know a lot more control over pesticides than there are micro-toxins and it's so common for Producers to take a Flower material that might be moldy or otherwise can't be sell sold his flour and to extract it turn it into Concentrate and then can sell that. So what about Heavy metals in cannabis products in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen Jeff Roeber of the workshop published some paper where they were finding heavy metals in the vapor stream of low-quality VIP cartridges on. So we've been thinking about it for awhile and encouraging they tend manufacturers to when they buy these materials get several different samples and bring handfuls of until the lab and you know will wash them either with like acidic water or symptoms James. MCAT oily what might come through and a lot of indeed do leads a lot of lettuce and it's primarily lead yeah but also some mercury we do see. Some arsenic fails at times in cannabis. The story there that that had a manufacturer farm an indoor place And they were anticipating doing metals tests on their final stuff and so they didn't really want to wait until the end and see and so these guys were smart And when there are many plants were fairly immature just at the start of the budding stage stage like we went and collected much materials BISA basically immature buds and they were loaded with arsenic. Oh Wow so that prompted a a test of the soil and water and the media and everything that we could and turns out At the end of that story Lori was a bunch of nasty. Rock will Oh Wow so. It's Swiss growth medium. Yeah wow it was just off the charts With arsenic leaching of contaminants from cultivation processing or packaging equipment is an issue that people working in the natural products industry offended. Think about for quite some time over some cannabis. Companies are still learning about best practices when it comes to these sorts of things. This is ultimately putting consumers at risk spoke with Travis Simpson and herbal scientists. That spent the past several years working with him. In the cannabis industry knee shared some of his concerns regarding contaminants. It's for a manufacturing and packaging equipment. Chemical compatibility is an ongoing issue. I see within conventional thc and hemp processing using environments A lot of manufacturers or utilizing equipment that has not been thoroughly validated and tested and can in some circumstances be utilizing realizing solvents that might be denatured with other components in order to reduce cost manufacturing so one of the big areas that we see is as ethanol manufacturers using things like painting natured alcohol. And how that has an actual impact on some of the fluid transfer equipment president using the manufacturing process terrapins are one of the great chemical classes produced by the cannabis plant we in natural products world would refer to that whole mixture as just essential oils That can be derived from steam distillation sub critical co two extraction Some very cold hydrocarbon extraction such as propane based extracts yield a very turpin rich product that Unless handled with the appropriate chemically compatible material can cause considerable leaching that will bleed into the products without any test methods in place to identify those some other than organoleptic rubbery mm-hmm or acrid smell. That might come from some silicone products. Used for either in the world. Old Butane propane extraction on the pershing steps. are an area where chemical ability can become a very considerable issue but the essential oil market Some of these products can have as much as seven to ten percent on essential oil by mass without ever being packaged in a method that takes consideration the assault. That might have on say a silicone gasket For a jar LID starting to Encourage consumers to have compatibility conversations with their preferred manufacturer. I think is really really good. Way To bring that topic up in a non-confrontational way but at least provide the questions the manufacturer to enable them an opportunity you to express how they're addressing compatibility within their production system and those manufacturers that cannot provide forthcoming information on their compatibility strategies. Tragedies would be a red flag as a consumer choice. Yeah one of the really important things to note regarding most of these contaminants including things things like pesticides. Metals and Mike. Toxins in really particularly with metals. micro-toxins is that you're not necessarily going to have an immediate reaction when you're exposed opposed to these toxins. These things can build up in the body over time and you may not exhibit any symptoms for a long time before the body finally reaches a tipping point in. Then you're in trouble so just because you've consumed canvas product and you didn't notice any adverse effects that doesn't necessarily mean that you're not being exposed supposed harmful contaminants. This is why it's really important to verify that approx been tested for contaminants prior to using it. And they'll just take someone's word for it when they say that it's been quote unquote tested. What was tested for? He need to ask really pointed questions was tested for pesticides was tested for metals. was tested for micro-toxins you know for instance Currently at the time of this recording in the state of Oregon where I am Metals and micro-toxins are not required required to be tested for in cannabis products however in California. They are so depending on where you are when someone says that something's been tested community very very different things. It doesn't necessarily mean that canvas product is free from contaminants so the takeaway from some of these. Discussions is pretty clear to me. No the purity of your cannabis before consuming but this is easier said than done. There's still many places in the. US and abroad. That have not legalized legalized cannabis or establish. Strict testing requirements for campus for users. That are getting their cannabis from the black market. The really left at the mercy of their suppliers quality and unfortunately this can sometimes lead to tragic consequences. We've got a public health crisis out there right now now with additives in vape pen to Rousseau's referring to recent string of fatalities linked to lung infections or lung damage associated with vape pens. People are calling it a vape crisis. The latest tonight as the OPIOID epidemic hits Pennsylvania. Today the state reported its first vaping relabel. Deanna residents events have died from severe lung injuries. Leveraging from New York has become the youngest person to reportedly die from vaping. Yeah linked to a lung injury because vaping is as being reported here. Enron twenty deaths that have been linked to vaping related lung disease in the United States Department of Health. They're happened five. Cases of AP related lung disease in the state and so far and the textile department has confirmed a death in north Texas from lung injuries related. vaping have learned that a bronx teen was the first New Yorker worker to die from a vaping related illness today the CDC report of the number of cases in the US has reached almost thirteen hundred in forty nine states now and the ongoing vaping crisis lawmakers across the country weighing whether to put restrictions on it or ban it altogether at the time of this recording there have been twenty nine recorded deaths and over thirteen two hundred reported cases of lung infections or damaged linked to vape pens and these reports are growing at a rapid rate while the exact culprit responsible for for these illnesses and deaths has not been yet defied the CDC does not know the cost. There are all kinds of things circulating about what might have been the cause investigators. Investigators suspect it has something to do with additives or contaminants. That actually has nothing to do with cannabis. It has everything to do with additives. That are toxic that are put in these devices on so it can happen with nicotine. vape pens. It could happen with cannabis cannabis vape pens or whatever But I put the finger on the government. you wouldn't have the situation if we had had a legal Commerz Federally in cannabis and he had standards apply to Any of these products. The biggest one hundred percent preventable. If these things were available and regulated properly there'd be no need for kids to be going to a street corner to purchase black-market vape pens with dangerous ingredients. There's other evidence that contaminants in canvas have caused very serious problems for some people as well. which in rare cases has led to death? There are several case studies available of patients that contracted fatal lung infections. Such as a condition called ASPERGILLOSIS. ASPERGILLOSIS is a condition where the spores of certain species of aspergillus fungi. It nestled and small little scrapes grapes and crevices in the lungs where they begin to grow forming a fungal mass. Call Gymnast Purge Aloma. This ultimately starts to break down lung function and it can be fatal in some. Fatal cases reported contaminated cannabis was deemed to be a contributing factor. And possibly the sole cause. This is more common in immune compromise users than regular healthy users but that just highlights the tragedy. Here many people would serious. Health conditions are turning cannabis as a medicine in those patients. The ones that are most vulnerable to the adverse health effects consuming contaminated cannabis. Let's review what we've learned so far. There are a lot of different. contaminants that can appear in cannabis and cannabis products such as pesticides. Residual Solvents Metals micro-toxins molds bacteria medals. mullets tend to appear most frequently in cannabis flower however metals do sometimes show up in extracts due to leaching from incompatible packaging bacteria to new appear most frequently in cannabis infused is products pesticides solvents and micro-toxins or more common canopus extracts typically because the process of making a cannabis concentrate uh actually concentrates. These CONTAMI- contamination is not always direct. Sometimes contamination can come from contaminated soil will water drift from nearby farms or overhead spraying leaching for manufacturing equipment or leaching thrown the packaging metal products being held contaminants. Toxic additives had been responsible for fatalities associated with cannabis consumption users with compromised immune systems the most at risk. By now we seem to be getting a pretty good picture about the safety profile of cannabis. But we're not quite done yet. There's one more issue that we haven't discussed yet that's adolescent cannabis use. What unique risks might young cannabis users face find? Find Out in the third and final part of the series where we finish our curious quest to discover his cannabis safe. Thanks take it easy special. Thanks to our guests that were so gracious and spending time with me for interviews that helped construct not just this episode but other episodes throughout throughout the season to check out the citations for this episode. And there are plenty you can check out the show notes by visiting. CAC PODCAST DOT COM to learn more more about cannabis. You can check out the curious about this book available now on Amazon Dot Com and other online book retailers. You like what we're doing here and support the show at least considers hoarding us by liking sharing episode. With your friends and family can also choose to support us on patron at Patriot. 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E92: Environmental Toxicity Impacts Health with Dr. Ann Shippy

Living with Lyme

1:00:44 hr | 1 year ago

E92: Environmental Toxicity Impacts Health with Dr. Ann Shippy

"Greetings this is Sydney Kennedy and I'd like to invite you to subscribe to the podcast series at www dot living with live the US this will keep you up to date on all our new releases living with line podcast maybe discussing very controversial topics so if she says y'all she's talking about everybody so we're real excited she's GonNa tell us about her previous career and what she's doing now and subscribe to the website www dot living with line dot U. S. we're real excited today because we're going to talk a lot about when she's got a wonderfully thriving practice and we're real excited to have her she is a very highly educated lady she is an author she's a researcher thanks for having me I'm excited to get to share with you today I'm real excited because you have a lot of information and let's let's just for information the opinions expressed are solely the guests zone please discuss treatment options with your personal healthcare providers before changing he works with people ought to get route caused reasons for their illness and she does work with genetics as well and that's a big interest women and we're going to talk a lot about mold and we have Dr Anne shippy with us today and she comes to us from Texas although when I spoke to her before she didn't have a drawl it's an office to learn more visit Dr inspired formulations dot com that's doctor it's fired formulations dot Com we'd also like to thank Hopkinton drug many before I went on vacation and I came home and I was never the same again so I had to take it into my own hands it was before the Internet is and towards the end of that got very sick and I was going from doctor to talk to her and nobody could explain to me why I was fine nine forty four forty one up drugs compounds with everybody this is cindy is of minus so I know I've talked y'all about it so I'm boring you terribly so let's introduce Dutch ship a hi Dr Anne how are you for adding treatments enjoy the podcast living with live is brought to you in part by Dr fired formulations a supplement company offered. What's the Internet is really just getting started so I I started looking at all the books tonight reading all the books that I could that might give me some clues and was sort of thinking outside the box I went to a natural path and I went to an acupuncturist and herbalist abby from living with live and you are listening to yet another podcast we are really rolling with podcast every week we encourage you to come back soon begin I want to hear about you tell everyone you know from the moment of birth add quite a journey with a learning about medicine but through my own body I was a chemical engineer for IBM for almost ten years occasions to the your specific needs shipping is available nationwide go to our x and health dot com that's smart ex and health dot com or call eight hundred four three leaner deficiency going on and finally with all these pieces of the puzzles dramatically changing my diet and getting my body restored products such as Labor Civil Artemis in life a similar Oregano oil and most patients could purchase without a prescription and practitioners can open a wholesale account and carry the the nutritionist? I drove a couple hours to area outside the box allergists that found out that I had been people have to be healthcare needs that mass produce pharmaceutical medications just can't beat that's why more people turned hopkinton drugs based counting and wellness pharmacy whether it's line please fold illness thyroid hormone replacement therapy paediatrics dermatology hopkinton drugs specially trained and licensed pharmacists and create customized compound helping the body to restore rather than just band-aiding the symptoms with medicines that's that's really cool that's again I look when running and decided to go to medical school is is like Oh my gosh we need to do medicine differently this this is how we should be where we're really really cool and it's kind of like a I think it's divine intervention some of us that get sick and then move on to do a different type of treatment excuse me yeah we've been in the shoes so I think the patients relate to us a lot easier knowing our history yes so I loved working for IBM I got two really cool things like lead teams across organizations and even outside of IBM to get rid of the some of the toxic chemicals that we had in our manufacturing processes and it was really really rewarding but but I do now I get to use my engineering brains that being said your practice is you know you are an allopathic physician turned or to gather data and figure out creech individual person what's going to help their body recover is just sir I know well ahead of the curve by having that type of background and really does change the way you think so you don't really necessarily turn because you bring that with you and then you really see a different approach I'm so happy because at that pivotal point where I decided to go back to medical school I was considering all options do I WANNA do oriole medicine do I just want to go get a PhD nutrition You know what what do I need as a foundation to be able to do what I wanted to do in a functional medicine was not on the map it yet and but I just knew I needed that in depth training the MD to help me have the credibility to do the type of medicine that I wanted to do and there are times that I use my MD background every day with some of the testing that I do Steve Thank God I got this wonderful babies but it was a little bit much for my body so when I got finished with my residence you know being able to prescribe medications there is a time in a place where where I wanNA use medications I'll avoid as much as I can but when it's appropriate I very very grateful for that structure and then I had a baby and mets gone eighty in residency So I went into standard internal medicine practice where you're saying twenty patients a day you know within a few minutes but prescription you're GonNa Right and you know didn't I was always running behind my or office manager so it's like oh I got sick again I'd say I didn't know where to go next to get that additional training at because again functional medicine and think about forty people now it's all over the world and they're at the major conference there's I think a couple alison at this last presence so the first functional medicine training that I went to is in Gig harbor Washington averaged it twice a year in a Little Hotel Conference Room me Oh okay yeah I only made it to a portion of it but it was very wide attended these these conferences houses up my game a little bit even more now with your chemical background your engineering background you know you I developed a couple of auto immune disorders show grins and Anti Cardi Lightning on holidays which increase the risk for and how are you using that data that information and bringing it into your practice to help your patients you've got a taste of our environment and what's wrong with it and it's it's parent these days that we have a big problem have to take some pearls and then go back and use them and then go back to another conference and learn a little bit more so I I mean I've been going to these conferences the terminology and the indepth sayings for for some people it's Kinda like drinking from a fire hose so you're you're better stroke and that kind of thing so courts leave how is frank when functional medicine was starting to have a little bit asa that's one of the big things that I teach is that we we think a little bit won't hurt us but toxins are actually cumulative so we're getting a little bit for Murphy packaging containers even awesome water bottles that were grabbing drinking out of its in our skin care and hair care yeah if this last one so were you what were which one did you recently go to the one in San Antonio exposed to people come from all over the country sometimes even outside of the country so they're definitely some really artificial nails at doesn't make any sense to expose yourself to those it's in things that alchemists in our home the cabinetry the floors carpeting the mattresses and center food all the pesticides herbicides and I have an so fortunate that I get this one window into the world because my patients are either the financial ability to to do test that insurance covered or or they're just really prioritizing the people that aren't eating organic not spur we're seeing some high immigration levels from the think about what are you using to clean your house it can start to think about which foods are most important to buy organic so we we piece it out using my also I have a unique opportunity to really be able to look at data and get a sense of what people are getting significant themes with like anybody that I'm saying it's not really trying to eat mostly organic we're seeing very high state levels so I think it can be so overwhelming when I start talking about this like Oh my God what do I eat what are drink what's going on in my house These toxins accumulating body suppresses our immune system our immune system doesn't do as well at keeping organisms that it could metals are for both mercury and aluminum sometimes arsenic or going sky high IMOs are so narrow toxic is and and so we need to we actually have a handout answer md slash toxins so you can still a little bit at a time right so you can start and their resources check that you know they're going to do without a vacation or do without at new couch in there just really really among other effects and it really you know a lot of your focus with your I answered online when we get well with the with the poor building quality that has been going on I think since the seventies instead of it even in dumping it all at once even you know I have so many people that are increase fish in their diet because they're being told that that's healthy and then had thank you know I don't have any of my allergy system symptoms can't smell it so it's not fair but that's not true if if you a to build these tight home so that their energy efficient when you lock in the moisture it a little problem can become a big problem because we really you can putting in an additional a whole house Stephen Meta fire or if not at least running one of the sanding dehumidifiers so long and I'd love to learn so well and I get most of it is Stephanie no and then there are the little girls that I can added to take spayed bystanders they can a- party right how common is the mold component. I don't go in there shut the door and ask for another room exactly exactly so but the micro-toxins have notre so a lot of times people You look at your throat open mauled is one of the epidemics that were facing in the United States I think other countries grow so lulled makes multiple kinds of toxins it's mycotoxin NBC's Bs you can smell often so in areas where you're cooking or bathing to get humidity less than fifty percent will really help and then one of the other big things is issued eighteen dollars yeah yeah and they can actually see the humidity level and some people are you know we've had trouble where in the wintertime the heat's on being more like a craftsmanship back to the older homes a lot of them are belt let's such precision and care and then they between the layers of their mattresses if the humidity's high yeah people can get those little meters they're not very expensive and you know just obvious but if I have the shades down behind it it gets moist and I can't the temperature gradient that is not good right so really like either it's going to their skin and then they're breathing them and it can be really got the stating once people hit that tipping point where their bodies I you know and then I have to look at you know where they working where do they go on the weekends you have to ask all those questions right because the history gate tonight's the that what's that it's the what we test for is it's a propylene oxide so it's a derivative of one of the not able to compensate for that anymore I'm thinking right now people who handmade jewelry I had several jewelers and figure out so people when they come and they have a certain set of symptoms. Are you kinda going down that path I gotta look at the Environment I and we're learning more about exposures to certain things were really you know there's there's only so much people can do wow wow there's lots of think about is there is a lot to think about but you know we we we are learning more about our food musty smell that people like when you open the door to you know a hotel room and you're like Dako all of those really make a huge difference in what our bodies can exit out and then the onions and garlic and curcumin and the great entrance point and there's so much we can do to help our bodies to detox I so eating a highly plant based other spices are also super super helpful and then at my favorite fruit would be some berries because of the item nutrients that makes do you focus mainly on the food source and where it's coming from as as a really good entrance point to teach your patients that is the system to detach Fai really truly no matter what it is that they have people systems can get all gloved up so doing all those hi it I'm not saying vegetarian but eating lots of Christopher stretched ables the Broccoli Cauliflower Cabbage Kale wrestles sprouts joy so if you're cooking it is there a particular way that doesn't ruin those qualities because I'm always thinking about that you know I love my veggies roasts on it is eat them away you like them the best unless there drenched in she's in better brightly colored and then just start with where the obvious things are for you that you can avoid so you really trying to promote have to keep the humidity's Mojo in our homes or any any type of olds leak or sometimes people just get it in any kind of water intrusion that you know of it's probably a good idea to IRA ties getting taken care of because the The mole toxins add water leak it gotta get the drywall drive within twenty four to forty eight hours or in most places in the country there's a high probability of having some Malt poppies that I've found is haters the artists say near the materials that they use in their work there a lot of times they're kinesthetic in their handling them increase the risk for cancer Alzheimer's Parkinson's all kinds of things but we want to get ahead of where we don't want to wait till we have the symptoms and then try to go not getting the benefit you need don't charge them like girling them it's not a good idea because the charge counterproductive other than that might do use bits of fruit and all those vegetables do help is it is it helping simply because it's grabbing it out of the gut because of the high fiber or is there another is the information contained in these podcasts are from the guests personal experiences and are their own opinions these podcasts are intended opponent that helps who deliver could questions so fiber is definitely helpful yes but the some of the nutrients in those Chris atty this like what's the optimal amount of cooking for Broccoli and it's like lately steaming at for nine seconds or something I remember exactly but it's hard did with some olive oil and I try not to make a mushy but is there certain ways that you know really don't do that because you're but because I'm gonNA get your butter in right I think roasted is great I actually people that he may give you big clues to what's going on here to close down to you know what people saw as one of the biggest risk lake cooking at fairly like getting those plant cells activated but just getting it in makes a huge difference and you really do want to try to get specials actually help phase two of detoxification so it can help to grab it and then get to exit out through the kidneys or the digestive tract a cup to three cups a day if you haven't been eating any of them you might have to go gradually and really Them well like nick appeared super something I had a big audits jury Broccoli Soup this week that I ate for lunch that was so delicious I could eat it every meal good then you weren't mainly with all your patients and you were in a big hit in the office well if you just started doing that but my Butler gets used to it's yeah yeah a little bit about women's health I you know everybody knows that I practice gynecology obstetrics for a long long time and I really do wish that I kind of a limited supply and you I do know people who say search for farmer know your farmer and had known as much as I know now to really help people I mean we did a lot of testing we look for auto immune markers do you have women coming to you prenatally to say how do I get healthy do you have women coming to you you know to manage issues before pregnancy tell I don't think organic meats grass fed meats etcetera a may be some eggs do go on sale but the vast majority of time it's a share you know this particular type of me amongst the neighbors they all pitch in and there you can freeze it and but it's important it really is and it is it is hard and it's super expensive as you said you know and I Korea's block that has the healthier I think there's a link to that under resources on my website your some people say they'll take their neighborhood I'm kinda getting grossed out by talking about this they go to their farmer and hostessing I said if it's too bad cutback what you're you know eating in terms of your veggies or taking your probiotics or whatnot and just kinda go slower so you know if you're going to eat your chicken or your meat and you know your farmer and you know what they have in their field you're probably better off and certainly so when I was a kid at we I grew up in Lexington Kentucky my grandparents were in Iowa a couple of times we got like a quarter of a cow things especially when people were having a frequent miscarriage but you know what we never knew to look at the environment so and I'm like she's out bloated I am I go yeah because we're you know kind of cleaning things up there and you're going to get that for a little while until you start excuse me in my orthodontist office and she doesn't want people to know that we have that outside relationship so she's leaning over me and she's just my stomach in life favorite things to do is to help both men and women if I can get to them about six to nine months before they're even thinking about getting pregnant have it that way so that's got to be creative in order to save money yeah that reminds me of Mike both of my parents grew up on farms and in a butcher whatnot that that does ship things out so I I don't have that resource I need to look at that but you know what a company and help both of them get their bodies optimized because with this field of EPA genetics were we can see that it's not just your gene as well as after the Placenta and then women get so depleted like the baby just sucks somebody missed it the first time it's an ship AMD DOT COM A. N. S. H. I. E. Y. Dot Com got it got it you know let's get into it zip but tastiest need to do that way so right right there I'm I'm assuming if you research enough you probably could find it's had your genes are behaving that influence how the person does so if we can help men to clean up their bodies than the genes that they pass on the resources that it needs and so women really really need to have their nutrients felt up optimally so that they can stay healthy through the pregnancy and then on our expressed in the baby and then the same thing for the mom and also then helping her to get her toxin levels down amend wellness meets is also another one that will serve automates yeah her fact perfect good good to know good to know and just say your website again case and somehow I guess put it in Ice Jackson Chessen drove back to home because it was just the best way to get the least expense that that's actually great for the fathers well but upping the mom get her toxins down so she's not passing on both EPA genetically demand like a nutritional profile vitamins minerals etc either before conceiving or after conceiving depending on when out of magnesium degrom baby yeah and you'd be vitamins and you know one time I met Dr Lee Cowden at a conference I was introduced to him and I shook his hand and he goes how much magnesium do take I go at that point I really did no and he goes obviously not enough your hands are freezing three nursing in another state that I really love to to help women is after pregnancy like okay what what did you have sucked out of we need to do extra to ripley magnesium as always slow like it's low in most patients within hosts pardon on my gosh it takes a lot tell us more about that so now I just I just felt like just get a little emotional because he's a character he's a tall character you know and I'm you know just a little over a couple inches over five feet so I had to these toxins out your system so which your protocol for removing some of these toxins so I really customize it really strained my neck to to look at him but but you know I mean it's it's it was a nice little thing for me to know so so you would star yeah and again I want to emphasize its saliva Somo version because of the molecular structure correct for the individual person but we do have a very in depth cleanse that's going to be coming out early November that will take people through it's fair it's based Diet with the adequate amounts of protein firm in and then do main museum the vitamins and and Glutathione right art as they come to you yes yes depending on how in a what people's resources are how much time and energy have because sometimes that's alarming like if we do the toxin style membranes healthy so all the little chemical messengers in the body can get received appropriate way that's a really important piece of it as well as helping the Mitochondria said bodies so people are going to do something light from the standpoint of detoxification I would start with eating really plant based file and it comes back nervously bottom or gray or pesticides or plastics or whatever I put the brakes on so even if they're don't understand that the best way to test for your nutrient resources are within the cells in if it's just flying around in your bloodstream means or stiffened and et Cetera your these memories are made out of fat so you really want to help them you know do you focus a bit on really good clean fish oils and the additional Omega Ze L. A. Alpha Lipoic acid yes and definitely Getting need it so when you take it in life Osama form it goes right where it needs to go without cutting digested my a lot of people it's not telling us what's inside the cell and if you've got cells that aren't functioning optimally their their membrane how the pathways connect and then people who do well in one phase or one area of a set of genes that could impact another area and so that in and of itself is that's a specialty in and of itself you know being able optimally a lot of us are cadre have gotten really sluggish. They're not making the energy that ourselves needs to be able to do all their daily jobs people that are deficient and good vine and it's the best way to build it up and it's one of the main ways that we clear multiple Texans Associates and heavy metals now getting making sure that the microbiome is healthy supporting based on these two pathways thinking should call letters where things was very very comprehend on so there's a lot of really good complicated it's so complicated in you know especially when you look at genetics and programs right for you visit Master Hyphen Supplements Dot Com or call eight hundred ninety six to nine six one for more info so a lot of times it's a detoxifying itself so not having the toxins interfering with the demotic Andre election but then things Gordy and they're like oh my gosh they're going to have this now well I think you'll you'll do better the bail do better if we take greater nine months and really good Morgan live and code affections asked her effective about bio Sidon LSF and visit bio Sidon Dot com master supplements specializes in probiotic enzymes some of these questions because she got she got a window into what's the real data on some of this and I would never eat corn again uh-huh 'cause it's pretty much all moldy and a lot of the companies making products this particular company is a family run company and fiber that support digestion their products provide results that you can feel working within sixty days or money back guarantee their staff is available to help you decide which products Oh you know in their places in a world where it's it's a a huge huge problem like in Africa what about mold in food night Mauldin food is a big issue so yes yes these really rough I would not drink coffee if it's not from bulletproof or there's another one but it is there one Utah territory mitochondrial membrane like us potential choline and then Co Q. Ten and other things that support electron transport chain Ryan indices program Bio Sidon from bio botanical research is a professional strength broad based program that has been extensively researched for effectiveness as nutritious Oldham breakdown and we don't really have a great way to test it in an it's not monitored very well so the corn other grains coffee for this company also makes a lot of animal products and they make sure that they have very high standards for the animal food as well and so each Senate to another -nother are a lot of cancer deaths every year from having very moldy food but and I think it's it's a piece of the so it it's it's a lot one of my favorite things though is like Zoema Glutathione 'cause I see so many the doctor Jill Carnahan said once and I think that's called purity it's purity was a p one I kept looking a mirror hustle here and it's something that we can all do after sitting next to somebody who works for one of the big food companies in their quality control a few years ago I was asking her well I must've ate majority of the bag and then I went and got my mole test and I believe it was extremely high and Okra toxins it was funny because my husband through work got about three or five pound bag of pistachios now that is my weakness and at a very high standard so I'm like a wet at you but if you guys check the scorn ready to go on to another company and there's also links with Maldon autism so I think a lot of times some of the micro-toxins are getting passed a law probably came from the staff she goes eight yes while it'd be really interesting to you know discipline a fan and and so I like to file until how do you do that what what's your goal with patients which should they do to improve those functions in full of purchase everywhere now I think it's even in target so it's easy to get you don't have to track down right right for when I like birth defects can increase the resper baby not growing so small injure uterus and Growth Yeah and then in a peanuts yeah I love peanuts but I'll eat them like once a year I know right okay I know these are all day because to do that we'd like to take a moment to thank our sponsors botanical medicines are an important part of the integrated array that they're stored and harvested in all of that it's just going to be some moisture in their mull this ubiquitous in our environment and it will start to has if you look at the fertility rate it has dropped men's testosterone levels have dropped I was at Bob Miller conference and he was this was kind of off the company was talking about it and then he mentioned alligator penises are becoming smaller so grants in general tend to be able to wait barley rice all of those that you think about it there right of Icke take other forms on it's probably just GonNa get digested in to the components of it did not actually raise into cellular quit Abidin which is really where we so even apples sooner that waits step that's in the center of Apples or in the dark along the core that's small as well and our health is really now can mold impact reproduction absolutely it's it's alarming actually can increase the wait a little bit and retest it sure yeah you know again I'm in the same I'm in the same boat as majority people mold testing is absolutely never covered by US tick away more safely and then everybody else it kind of depends on your weight week has impacts of says ubiquitous pesticide now where you store this mold information and decide is impacted as well as their mood I say OCD depression anxiety it's an amazing an insurance company and you know where you're going to spend the two ninety nine or are you just going to go on the way you feel right I'm waiting yes no and so they're doing crowd funding research because none of the governments are paying for it and the government isn't requiring Monsanto Today Compact for a lot of people's brains and then sometimes they'll just show up as an autoimmune disorder or a cancer so I think some people are the video the got to interview one of the lead researchers on investigating life estates so just inspector foods as they can right right the big headers really are the grains and the peanuts the coffee oh of your weak link is so it can really build up the liver the kidneys at the brain a lot of patients with them mauled Trumka's okra toxin is such a major suggestion it is yeah we got a we got really have to prioritize necessarily an entire flood that causes this it can be these little leaks that go on for awhile in especially in impact feel like their brains heavier their augie or they can't make decisions as well their you know their executive functions even sort through older homes you have to be really really careful and it may be worth the money spent that especially if you're going into a new home buying a new home because so often these issues are hidden I would say at least fifty percent of the time with my patients they had known former whatever getting some type of environmental testing definitely do not go into a new place about testing they were okay you could handle that people don't realize when they changed their diet 'cause I had somebody that actually in Hardin other vital organs when I see people with thyroid disorders I think environmental toxicity very quickly because right right so they're doing crowdfunding so there's a video on my social life assay and it also looks at the reproductive provider to dig a little deeper as to why yours I either overactive or underactive my people don't realize that it's not own leaks or floods or anything and it's just an even newer homes it's it's that art construction where we didn't do the flashing on window or the Chimney mm-hmm feed us that's that's tough that status that's really that's really it is alarming is in the same and they're like Oh my God where where's the body coming from but it's the body often trying to take environmental toxins and protect the brain streit especially once it's been high you can't ignore it you gotta go test it again and it's not down than you gotta figure out where it's coming server not and then other nuts in acute book had found like the cashiers on her dark spots donate 'em how it's the dark spots we have to law or it can be white as well your body it really depends on the person so there are some people just with environmental toxins in general that can make these little pockets that collide and then he paused it was a perfect time to pause because winter whose job that is whether's I waiting also just supposed the thyroid's Kinda like the Canary in the body or a lot of people so if you start having a buyer issue gotta think you gotta ask your healthcare putting it in their out opposed to shoot and can actually some people instead of being able to sock away China a poem I just start gaining white areas on their diets the same their extras washer just every area that there's opportunity for water to come into the home or at leak out one of the water array or it didn't caulk event from the bathroom properly and the little lakes that can happen behind a refrigerator yeah right well we all are aging but certainly we don't want to get there too fast you know people often ask different set of genes we know the MTA jeff has to do with menthylatim process What set a genes really do people need to look at when it caught when they're talking about so it's just like any other toxin there's so much misinformation about this out there so with enough exposure to micro-toxins anybody could get sick but they're these threshold so for me that people worry about the mole that can occur in your bathroom say around your shower or your shower door and it's pink detoxification almost every person that I taking care of that was very impacted by mall has had some issues with how well they met the late so that's all right so it's so individual on who's going to get sick I but everybody can be affected and I've had so many doing things there as well and who is most susceptible and then I set me off this skin condition that I had is clearing up and I have more energy whereas they just kind of thought of us just because I'm aging and then it turns out that my detoxification jeans are a little sluggish so I don't zip stuff out as well as a lot of people and when I got sick from all we didn't even talk about story but I you know I probably had a still had a bunch of heavy metals in my body instead are pretty big deals why do some people just not get sick they're exposed to mold that crossed in exclaimed or they get into a clean environment that they're like oh I actually have a better mood and longer fuse that thinks that either children or spouses that didn't think that they were being affected it's like being the frog in the pot and then when they either get the anatomy lab with the formaldehyde and all those things where there are some residuals left behind men just the not knowing from the day to day so I had lots of opportunities for exposure depending on how where it's grow at white what's going on and when other species are in its next and so just say Oh that's not mauled eight or nine years ago I didn't understand what I needed do be doing on a day to day week to week basis to relate some reserve in my and at a big exposure I had something going on in my home and in my office and at that point in time the mercury feelings and eating tuna fish everyday for years and then I had my chemical engineering exposures and my you know also that they don't get slammed we do run on empty an awful lot don't right we're we're busy or stressed and really means they think it's a Buddhist temple in its hours on end and they don't realize that just stopping and being in the moment and what kind of mold is being said this is one of the things that kind of drives me crazy when somebody comes in and yeah that's nothing 'cause mold can change colors using your senses and taking some reading relaxation you're you're you're settling down that Vegas nerve you're you're going from that foundational pretty much everybody that comes to scenic it's that looked up and then I liked look at the phase one and phase to detox vacation jeans I see some mind you cannot tell them lawsuit tested somebody's gotTa look at it under microscope would do the DNA probe or check for the micro-toxins to really know I've seen both United Peter flied over to the rest and digest and it doesn't it doesn't have to be a long time it really takes maybe a couple of minutes ration- so I like to for staying in the morning get up to the bathroom meditate because if I wait till later in the day other priorities seem more important so I just thought about my to do list for the day or that conversation I had last night the intention of meditating and coming back to your breathing or some were relations genes and the detection genes that really helps me to guide them on both how to get her as well as how to get that reserve in there people just don't realize the impact of our lifestyle right now well that's such a great point because I've found that got some days I only take five minutes but many warnings I actually can't find twenty minutes and there's no such thing as bad meditation even you'd think Oh my God sighing and they're so mad I mean really it's okay so if you meditate every day ways to encourage our our people asleep sleep is so critical but you know sometimes the person does everything in their power in terms of you know avoiding the blue light with the TV screen and the computer tricks for people to help them sleep? There are some supplements that I really find helpful often really helpful one of the biggest change things that change our threshold on houses epochal our body is is stress so I gave a Ted talk it's not out yet it's the ideal is to do twelve minutes at least once a day based on all the research study put together even five minutes makes a difference and really all you have to do that I have every I dotted a cross Sydney thing that's really amazing is the impact of meditation new we we used to think about to sometimes look at some of the immune system genes H. L. A. Jeans but not really found that it changes the way that I treat people whereas when I look at the we can do to help our bodies have more reserves so to other things that really impact our health and we always are looking for the phone and then removing the phone from their Roman you know spending time getting ready to fall asleep and all those kind of things do you have any other that really inspires you it's your body's getting the signal that it can go into repair mode and it can go into relaxation mode rather that's really interesting that is a solid entrance point you know that's really good what about getting people moving so that they are you know really storyline well sometimes you have to behind somebody that you know nowadays pay they shouldn't be paying with a cheque I mean who pays with a cheque anymore right yeah and that's a whole nother thing there's a lot of epidemic data around exercise so it changes what our genes due for twenty four to forty eight hours so he could do twenty minutes at least old are DNA in place and shorten as we age so it's kind of like reversing aging right to be all the links than our telomeres and that increases the are decreases. You're like Oh my God and then of course then you start revving up and you're getting upset and I'm really calm I have to say I'm really calm but I I've seen people like start the pumping they're hard and moving them there lymphatic system how do you how do you encourage someone that is really important to stress on the body so just move with walking or something that you enjoy even stretching can make a difference there's all is focused on your breathing I left that box breathing where you breathe in for five counts over five out for five into that even waiting in the grid that but the some of the people that actually have the worst they problems what we find is environmental toxins or at the rate of it exposure the ability to look into all of this research and to kind of formulate a plan and put it together so probably getting back to know are there nutrients pleaded in our their environmental toxins that are impacting transmitters around your brain's working I do rely on on you people I'll put you all in a group

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306: Dangers of Mold Exposure & How to Protect Yourself From Mold Toxicity With Ann Shippy MD

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306: Dangers of Mold Exposure & How to Protect Yourself From Mold Toxicity With Ann Shippy MD

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Who is a powerhouse on a very powerful mission to help people across the world live their healthiest lives? Using cutting edge science really specific the big research and genetic information to treat the root causes of disease she specializes in environmental texts toxicity preconception and reproductive health and mold exposure exposure and. She's designed life altering treatments and protocols for her patients using EPA genetic information which is the study of DNA expression and the bodies incredible ability to express or repress helpful or detrimental genes as well as prevent he'll and even reverse certain illnesses. She's a fascinating background. She was an IBM engineer for a decade decade and then her challenging experience traditional medicine motivated her to search for her own health answers. She left engineering to attend the University of Texas Medical School in his now board. Certified in internal medicine and a certified functional medicine physician with a practice in Austin Texas. If you live there I cannot recommend her highly enough. Gosh she's the author of two books in his currently working on her third. And I know that you're GonNa love this episode we go really deep on mold exposure micro-toxins and what you need to know to make sure that you don't have any underlying problems in your home that you're not aware of doctorship you welcome. Thanks for being here so excited to be here. I am so excited to chat with you. Because as you are an expert on many many things but I know that you both have personal experience and expertise in an area. I get a lot of questions about and I want to jump into today. which is mold mycotoxin mycotoxin exposure? And I know that you have a story a personal story and I would love to start there because I think this is a growing awareness about this and people are realizing they might have a problem. But but there's also probably a lot of us who don't even realize we have a problem but we might so. Can you start with a personal story. Yes I was Already practicing sync functional medicine. You know where you're where I'm looking for the root cause of illness and I had gone to a conference on micro-toxins about a year before but I didn't know what was happening to me so I was getting sicker and sicker. I had gotten to the point where I would draw a glass. If it was full of water is a a bright arm was so weak. I couldn't even grasp it fully. My hair was falling out all over the bathroom. I had so much pain in my body that I didn't want my kids to hug me hurt so badly and I I couldn't wear my heels anymore because my right foot hurt so much and and I was really getting scared I I was starting to wonder if I was going to be able to take care of my patients kids myself and and I had sought out experts. I've been to a neurologist. Immunologist Hands Specialists Internists. Ed reached out to my friends in the actual medicine community and was really getting stumped and then one day when a my patience was that I was treating for environmental toxicity issues during great but she just looked across the table at me and I thought I had it all kinda covered. But she's like doctorship he. I think you're really sick. I think I I know my intuition is telling me it's something that I had gone. Through which is toxic mold exposure to a specific mold called to him and she left me so much shave as insisting on coming to my house at the end of the day to go walk through and see if she got her mold symptoms and so sure enough that day she came to my a house walk through it and within in five to ten minutes she was really not feeling well and had to leave. And the this is what happens to me concerto medium. You should take very few of your belongings and leave and not ever spend another night here and I was so scared that I did exactly what she suggested justed. I went and took my kids and started staying at my parents house and really amped up my detoxification support and started to feel better and finally any Like a month later after doing several of the wrong kinds of mold tested the right one in the right place in the house and found that she you tell me well. That's amazing especially because I know like you as a functional medicine naturally like you already know all the stuff to do and I'm sure you were living very clean lifestyles also the fact that you're still sick. That's really like like points to some other kind of issue. Are there kind of walk us through. What some of the comments are when it comes to motor and I know that there's probably all the arranged but like both the ones you experienced other people might experience cats so a lot of times people will just feel like they're more tired? They don't have the energy to do the things that they need need to do. Or their brain will fill a little foggy or they'll be getting skin rashes or little bit digestive upset and then on the more severe side when we go looking for the root causes zip illnesses it can be things like what's triggering your autoimmune disorder. What caused cancer? What triggered the diabetes? So it often is the root caused illness but the early symptoms are just maybe feeling a little bit more tired or here might be falling out more readily as digestive zip symptoms headaches or even more like the allergy symptoms so I had to go through mold again a few years later and actually it was a brand new home that I I was living in. I just started developing worsening allergies and asthma. Gotch and I know that those are relatively common now as well so you mentioned. It took several rounds of testing before you were able to actually locate it and I have heard this experience from others as well who even a neighbor of ours got really sick. They did multiple tests and then finally were able to tight like find and identify the mold and then it was a long process to remediate What kind of testing did you finally worked? Are there different kinds of tests for different things. That's such a great question and I think it's a little overwhelming for for people to be listening and taking notes so we do have a mauled handout. That we can have you put in your. Yeah no it's. It's just an chippy. MD DOT com slash mold so A lot at even inspectors that are out there are still not up upon the latest technology so a negative mall test means nothing the a Lotta. The inspectors are doing air testing and a lot of these. He's really toxic. Mold don't put enough mold spores into the air. They're big heavy and they just kinda dropped down to where they're close to where they're growing. So Ah it misses him so if you do an air sampling Dustin. It's positive for any of the the more toxic molds really pay attention to that so like ecstatic bosterous and she told me him Things like Whoa Alenia Okra toxin penicillin if those show up. Pay Attention But what I really like to do or samples on the dust so getting as much dust from the building. Whether it's an officer home or a school get as much dust and then do the DNA testing rather than just doing the visual inspections or the culture said the Sometimes they're called an army Task but the army is just really a calculation of what DNA was there of the mold and then find somebody. That's really good. It being the house detective so I think about myself as being the good body detective like figuring out what's going on find somebody who's who takes mold seriously that they ed protect themselves with the Respirator and the Clothing that will protect them so they really know that mold can be a problem and then have them. You know pull out the the refrigerator and sometimes even have to go into the wall. Cavities and with a Camera to look to see what's going on. They climb up in the attic and they look to see if things are sealed properly to not leave any stone unturned. Because because you don't want to have had the wrong result and have a hidden problem. which is what often happens? The inspectors come in and say oh no everything everything looks good and then you've really miss the big problem to explain a little bit more on why to test the dust because I know from research but you know does can be a source of the home of many things but why are test the dust versus test the home itself because that gives you the best collection so what I like to do is to take the dust and sense. Send it for both looking for the mold. DNA and then also for the toxins so were so still so early the in the detection technology for the mold. So we want to use the most advance ways so that we don't miss it so we can test for about four families of the micro-toxins echo toxins in the dust and then about thirty six of the different mold DNA and they're you know hundreds to thousands of different types of mold old and many many more of the chemicals that the mold is making so if we can at least get an idea of. What's there the tip of the iceberg mark? But it can then when we find those things than we can can. Noel may be. We really do need to open up walls and and that kind of thing where where it's hidden rather than to saying okay. Everything's Okay not outside so for example when I was going through my mold thing that thing that had happened is the flashing on the chimney he had failed and so there was a little bit of moisture running down the wall between my son's room and my bedroom and then the ceiling of a Living Room but it wasn't enough moisture to to show through the paint but it was enough to really grow a lot of Malt. Wow No that's that's relatively common right that mold can be in the walls or in a place you may not see but still causing symptoms very much in house exactly so a lot of times. It'll be maybe a shower. Pianists failed and it's enough to be growing mauled in any of the drywall around the shower but not enough that the wallace getting wet or even behind toilets. Refrigerators dishwashers and then. Sometimes it's even Behind the Washer and Dryer got to and I I know. There's some controversies around the idea of mold remediation and how it needs to be done correctly and and I've even seen a couple sources argue that once you found mold it's really never possible possible to completely remediate it. I'm curious the approach you took and if you feel it is possible and what the best process is to remediate. If someone does find old in their home she has so I think it is depending on. What type of mold is there? I rarely had people that. Have the type of mold that made me so sick. Be Able to remediate that. She told Tomey 'em because it has little hooks into grows into things and it's so hard to remove it all and we get so sensitive to that particular type of but a lot of the other types of mauled. It really you can remediate if you get somebody really good doing the actual remediation. It's so important to set up containment men one of the mistakes. I think that some people make as that they let the when they're doing the deconstruction the mold spores really an the talks. Oxen spread all over the the building so using plastic walls and really good filtration devices to make sure that her containing all of the toxins that are being released as freely really helpful to making it. More likely that you're going to be able to do the the adequate cleaning so that the people can get better and some of it depends on how the building's construction constructed so basements can be really tricky. Tricky buildings that are built into the sides of hills are it can be hard to control the moisture enough in the future not to keep it from growing back so kind of picking and choosing whether it's better to move on move forward or to invent make the investments into the building to to try to make it better and also depends on how sick the person is like I was so sick I just had it to move and not take much with me to get it to be able to get better if you're if you're not to that point where you're really in survival survival mode it's probably worth it to to try to remediate So it's really really situational and it can depend on how good of a team you have. I've I've seen a big disparity and the ability to remediate remediate depending on how much the people get it. That are doing the work work on what they're dealing with if they're not thinking about this as being something super toxic and mirror not protecting themselves. Then that's a real warning sign that they don't understand what they need to do to help to get you about her. That makes sense. Is there good. Like general practices for like We bought a house a couple couple years ago in an area. That's prone to mold in hindsight wished to had tested for mold ahead of time. Is there any kind of home tests that people can buy and test. If they're thinking about about moving we're GONNA move into a new home. Yes and that's On the handout that we put out so There's a website called black mold. SKIN DOT COM. I think it is no. I'm forgetting exactly what it is but is on the website that you can order the kids yourself or a company called real time lab They do the testing in humans as well as doing the testing and the environment and you can order kits from them and do both the DNA part of it as well as the Mike. Oh Park toxin part of it. So yeah if you're buying a home or even potentially leasing something for period of time. I really really recommend testing before. Are you move all your belongings in there and potentially contaminate yourself and your belongings if you're in some of these areas like urine Florida Ray. I am yeah so definitely like mall central every are yes so some of these places that have had all these hurricanes. It really is difficult to find the safe place to live like a so. Many of my patients have come from Houston and they thought that they had you know that their home was okay because they didn't have obvious water. Damage meant but because of the blowing driving winds if there's any issue with the building envelope not being sealed for almost perfectly. Ah that the the backside of the drywall ended up with big fake problems and and even the air conditioning systems can be so compromised with those those high winds and driving rains. Yeah absolutely I think. There's also some misconceptions when it comes to mold of like you know if there's mold the house it should smell must eerie. You can kind of tell smelling it is that can you talk about mold. Person musty smell. Do they go together. Or is that misconception. Oh that's perfect question question because I had so many people that say oh I can't smell it so it must not be there. That's the end. EOC's that some molds make at so that's a little different the type of chemical than the micro-toxins that are also produced and both can be dangerous. But definitely if you smell Miss Eunice. You know it's something needs to be done or avoid it but a lot of the micro-toxins you can't smell so you don't even know it's there so so you just the only way to know for sure is to either test you or test the environment. Okay so mold doesn't always necessarily go along with a musty smell. What about mildew because I feel like those words get used interchangeably as do the same thing as old or different and if it's different is it dangerous? It's like Malta's than overall Oh category of organisms and then mildew is kind of a slang term but a lot of times the things that we thinker the harmless mildew kind of thing really aren't and if somebody says to you. Oh that's not a problem. It just looks like mildew run because you can't can't tell what a mold type of mold something is by looking at it it really has to be looked at under a microscope. kilter D- or tested I the DNA because mall changes colors at changes appearance depending on what kind of surface screwing on and what other kinds of moulder presents present. So they you you know one like a mold growing on once since might be white and black on another so and pink on another so you really have to test it to know for sure. Gotcha okay. That's good to know. Oh and you mentioned a few of them are there areas of the homeware. Mold is more likely laundry room like anywhere where could leaking through the roof. But if someone's having kind of unexplained symptoms how we're today even start looking. I know you have a resource. That you've mentioned we'll make sure that's in the show notes that Hamid Gutter listening definitely check that out too. Yeah you know. It's funny just even walking into into hotel rooms now like if I if I walk in and it's a little musty I'm GonNa go and change right away but just looking even at air conditioning events if you've got something that looks like dust or dirt on the A C. That's highly suspicious that that's mold if you go kind of look in your pet. Three him in any the cocking is broken. Or there's any discoloration in the in the drywall. If you've got wallpaper in a in a bathroom that's highly likely that there's GonNa be some some old behind there And then you can even just walk around the outside of your house if there's any place that the the landscaping comes up above where they foundation is that it. That's another highly likely source of entry and then anything anything that you see what paint peeling or anything around doorways entry doorways. A lot of times like you'll see a little bit where the the The caulking isn't quite right so you might be surprised if you just walk around and look in your house or anything is disrupted and in in windows to like if you have window sills. That are buckling her not just pristine. I would be very suspicious. That there's an issue with the with the windows. Good to know what about the word Murdoch's because that's also used interchangeably with mold. Sometimes some curious if you could define what that is and if it differs from from older what to know about micro-toxins yes Omega toxins are just the little chemicals that the mold is making that are toxin toxic for for us or our our animals. You know every type of organism is making byproducts in their zeal logical process of surviving. And so it's just things that they make as part of their survival and what's really interesting is people who study these kinds of things. It's kind of how they were against each other so usually there's not just just one type of mold growing when there's moisture it's a whole community kind of microbiome of the that surface and they use it to try to ward ward off the other molds from taking them over and unfortunately we get caught in the crossfire. Gotcha okay that makes sense And I feel like now like a pretty good understanding of what foreign how to know. If you might have any of these issues going on your home I love to switch gears and really talk about what to do for your health if you do find it because like I said I know this is an issue. It's a huge where I live And honestly some of the symptoms that you mentioned sound like the response to like I mean he does. He's or Had several guests on to talk about breast implant illness and how the bodies like mounting in the Munich response so I'm curious to understand on a physiological level like what is is happening in the body when we have mold exposure. Oh that's a great question so the micro-toxins can do so many different things in our bodies they can directly damage Tana they can influence our DNA behaves they can damage the The so members on the Mitochondria and then they can really injure or liver and Kidney And then also affect your immune system they suppress immune system to be able to keep our own microbiome in check doc and to fight off infection and even affect how well our bodies keep cancer at bay since we all have abnormal cells is that were producing all the time so depending on the particular mycotoxin it can do so many different negative things my opinion now. Now that I've seen more and more of this mycotoxin illnesses that the ideal thing would be that it be part of a screening that we do on a regular basis because we can and check the micro-toxins in our our urine three two different companies realtime lab in Great Plains so if we have an uptick in the amount of Mycotoxin then we go look for the source as that in our car is at her home is in our office or school or is it in the food that we're eating so that we can make those adjustments before we get sick. I really do think it's one of the big biggest health crisis that we're facing today so for me. The prevention is ideal but given that A lot of times we don't and have the opportunity or the idea that we even need to be looking for these things until we're sick or having some type of symptoms and a lot of times. The mycotoxin Texan test isn't covered by insurance. Then we've got to take the actions to how to help to get it out of our body. One of the things that I love is that we can help our detoxification pathways work much better. Just by eating a different diet eating a lot of Christopher's vegetables Broccoli Cauliflower Cabbage Kale and then the the onions and garlic and spices that also support our lever and detoxification and then there are adventures supplements that we can take that also augment how well our bodies detoxify NEC the Soma Glutathione and then they're a bunch of finders like Klay and terkel and modified citrus. Isn't it really helped. pull the all the toxins out and based on what I'm seeing in my patients and so the patients that are just super motivated to to Do Prevention as well as the ones that are sick as that we've really all need to be focusing on this is because were being exposed to really bombarded with toxins everyday in our cleaning materials in our food. Preparation our mattresses mattresses that. We need to be pro proactive in preventing it. So you mentioned that even certain foods can be a source of mycotoxin ECHO toxins. What are some foods to watch for they are and how do we know? We're getting foods that are safe. That's a very good crushing has. It's really not regulated. Very well in our country other countries are actually better at this than we are but often grains have high levels of micro-toxins in them so we barley rice belt and especially corn. Like I I won't even touch corn now because it's pretty much all all moldy And then things like coffee. The Nice thing about that is that there are companies like bulletproof that screen for it and and make sure that we're not getting it in our her coffee and then also also nut so things like peanuts say. I love peanuts but I will wear lever letham because it's very difficult to grow them without having some aflatoxin growing on them and then pistachios you can see it so obviously and then the other nuts that I that I eat. I make sure that I keep it in the refrigerator or freezer to reduce the amount of growth. That's that's going to happen. And then if there's an obvious problem of avoid at late sometimes cashiers will have that dark area in them so those are the big ones to either watch out for void obviously the fermented things like Wine and Kombucha and Kavita advisor things. It's a little bit unpredictable but can definitely have some mycotoxin them good to know And I think like the detox stuff you mentioned. I'd love to go a little deeper on that because I know you work with people on this and it's also helpful for other things besides just more. Is that correct. Like people can have other issues as well that this is helpful for it is and a lot of times. Mold is just the tipping point. People have had UNISOM pesticides that glyphosate at the sites and that kind of thing from their food and Some heavy metals from eating Fisher tuna or having amalgam fillings. All of the PAWSOX. And that kind of thing for more food packaging so those. Things just gradually accumulating in their body and then they get an exposure of mold and that tips over so a lot of these supplements and the food's really help us to eliminate all a lot of those things from her body. So especially my favorite thing and I I don't leave home without it is like Zome Aug. by own so that's a form of Glutathione that gets absorbed in the right form rather than digested and actually gets is into the cells where we need them to to process the toxins and then get them out of her body and then things like a Mida conrail support so that might career at the Little Organiz inside the cell that helped to produce the energy to do all the work in our body so a lot of times just assisting those mccown Andrea with the vitamins and magnesium and Co Q.. Ten light poetic acid and things that helped to repair our cell membranes. 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We just need to support with the body naturally does but what do people need to know in general all about kind of the natural detoxification mechanisms of the body so some of us have genetic predispositions where we just don't detoxify great. We're the ones that are the canaries that are are GonNa let the illness is going to show up at NAS. I so but the thing. That's so exciting. Is that there there. Are things now available to really help us to level the playing field and and help our bodies to keep up very very naturally so one of the things that concerns concerns me about a lot of the information. That's out there on detoxing is that they make it sound like it's normal to have detox symptoms like if you're detoxing saying you're gonNA feel bad but that's not good. That's a sign that you're not detoxifying in the right order so I think about detoxification as has being a series of dams and if you open up one damn too much you're gonNA flood the the dams below so you really have to be opening up the dam's altogether in the right order so that they don't have the detox in DM so it's it's really not more is better or having symptoms as a as a sign that you're doing something good. It's actually a sign that you might be hurting yourself so if you you WANNA be kind of careful in how you detoxify because you don't want to be taking toxin at the bodies work to sequester in like in fat cells and free it up and then have it move around to the brain cells rate so I I really believe in doing things very gently and and kind of methodically so that you're collaborating collaborating with these different systems. In the body to all you know essentially get it out safely. That's really know like to clarify on that. Because I've heard people say you. It's just a reaction or like it's because the detoxing and so you're saying that's that's not something that needs to happen and in fact actually be good for that to happen right so it for example with patients if they start to have symptoms. I WanNa know right away because that means that we might need to work more on you know the gut microbiome because the the the microbiome and the gut really is important to be healthy for for getting the toxins out or we might need to do. Do things like Add in a A detox bath so that their skin can help them were or we might need to go back and work more on a a process called methylation a little bit more so we it. It's If they do start having any symptoms than we know okay. There are other things that we need to go. Look at. Maybe we need to really work on their gablers. Were or So that they're making an a file than to carry out through the toxins out through their gut. So it's such an intricate system and so many things to look at with that if you're if you're deciding to do some type of detox than you don't feel wii on it then you really need to step back and and think about how else to help your support. Your body's some were in that process. Are there common. Starkly says or like universal things that are typically good for everyone because I default to the body's natural mechanisms so I always start with things like just making sure well hydrated hydrated and then I'm eating enough Greens and fiber and things like I love using the Sauna. I'm curious those are beneficial for detox. Are there good general starting points. I loved that because we are so aligned. Yes you've got to get the Diet nailed and I your your body's gotTa have the vital nutrients to run the biochemistry. Physiology Physiology AB- detoxification so that's foundational number one thing and then. I do love the Saunas but I really you want people to go slow with that as well like thinking. Okay I signed up for this infrared. Sonnen I've got thirty minutes. I'M GONNA get every second of it out if really gotTA listen to your body and if you're if you get in the sauna and you have this kind of impulse to get out in five minutes you're done and then so then just gradually actually build up to wear your body's sweating and feeling good for the entire time that that you're in there and every once in a while you might have set back to where you've you've been doing a thirty minute Sauna Anna and feeling good and then all the sudden you have one. We're in ten minutes. You're like oh my body's really telling me to get out go ahead and get out because that means that's all your body can do for the day and then exactly the hydration is so important you need your kidneys being adequately flushed. I every day so that they can do their job optimally and especially if you add in something like saunas making sure that you have plenty of minerals to sustain your into vascular volume but then these minerals are so important for the detoxification enzymes to work optimally so making ensure that you're getting plenty of minerals either through a good mineral supplement or If you've got feared that probably grown in the farmers market where there's we're still minerals in the soil that get into the food is super helpful. Oh and then one of the most important things is. You've got to be going to the bathroom room. You have to be having bowel movements at least once a day two or three times a day to can because so many of the toxins also go out through the gut that makes perfect sense like disappointing like we talked about. All those natural detoxification mechanisms that we're born with urinating and going to bathroom like you said and I love sweating as well to try to make sure I'm sweating in some way every day whether it's exercise or sauna or both that's really important definitely helps my skin feel better way to that too and it really does make a huge huge difference when when I see patients especially honestly when their bodies are super broken down. They'll be like well. I don't even have the energy to exercise but when we can get them to the point where they can do the Saunas and do the an exercise whether sweating it's amazing at keeping some buffer in. There're there're also that third not filling up so I love that. So you're really helping people to know these foundational things and hopefully prevent them from even getting sick. What about? I'm just curious to give take on different forms of fasting fasting and how they can support detoxification and if they should be user should not be used in a detox situation because personally I love some days just not eating until later in the day I feel better to doing that and then occasionally I'll do like a longer water fast and I feel like it just really helps my mental clarity but I'm curious. Does that have a place in. When someone's dealing with an acute issue like like this or should it be avoided until they kind of address the problem? I do think that there's a place for it with some people if they feel up to it. Definitely the intermittent fasting It doesn't have to be the long long hours but like fourteen hours where they're not having any nutrient France. Oh like if they started eating at seven in the morning and then finish around five some people do feel better if they skip the morning but for most people. It's better if they do something for breakfast and then finished eating around five and then don't eat or drink anything other than maybe some water. Some herbal tea until the next morning can be very very helpful at stimulating. The body to start to dump some of the cells that are working marginally as well as Just is kind of giving the digestion a break and then I I not a fan of the water fasting but I do think that the fasting mimicking checking So there's a product called pro lawn and there's a lot of data around not reducing your calories completely but minimizing them. I'm so that you get the benefits of what a water fast with do Without the detrimental parts of it is trustful to not have any calories at all and then you can lose bone and muscle and find it hard to replace that. So having a very small number of calories where you're still getting some of those nutrients to Kinda stabilize blood sugar and run the basic mechanisms of the day. It ends up being like five hundred to eight hundred calories. He's but just for five days at a time is amazing for free setting the immune system helping to detoxify and really dump those cells. That are they're kind of dragging down the rest of your body so that then you get a new product. Increased production at stem cells going to making new tissues. News can be dramatically helpful. If you do that once a month I love that and I have. I've done water fasting. I definitely agree with your point on that that it can be really stressful on the body and I have also done both pro on kind of like a homemade version of prolonged. That was just a lot of vegetables and about those ratios. I'm sure you've also read the work of after Vaulter Longo and his burn the mazing Archie show. It's a great book to read. But that's a great point that people can do fasting mimicking diet now and there's so much research to support that without the stress of a full water fast fast. So that's why it's it's so exciting because some of their data coming out is showing that it's As good as some types of chemotherapy Komo therapy for some cancer. I'm not advocating for that. As you know as people's position but a lot of the drug companies doing chemotherapy or asking them to do collaborate at studies where they're combining fasting mimicking with the chemotherapy. And they're even saying Moore dramatic effects with helping thing to treat cancer so just make sense to. It's probably one of the best things so that we can do to prevent. Cancer is to have those five days once a month and I like like you look. Can I do to figure out how to do this. Because I don't love the Pat the the quality that they're using the prolong although they've just just got a new kit. That's come out. That's an improvement in flavor but passage is getting lots of vegetables and in a little bit of protein for the for those five days. I think is a good alternative for sure and yet to echo what you said. I've seen some of that. Initial data coming out about cancer rates and also in in conjunction with conventional cancer treatment. And just much less people are getting sick and how much quicker they're recovering think Things like this. I'm so excited when there's that kind of research that can mark with conventional medicine if that's what someone wants to do and also can show data that it's going to help avoid certain types of cancers. I think we're in a really exciting time for that kind of research and to circle back to the mold and the detox stuff real quick. I know a lot of people listening. I'm going to get some questions. Related to kids the elderly. What about if I'm pregnant or nursing so I'd love to talk a little bit in detail about out? What if someone finds mold in their home and they also have children because it's hard to give kids a lot of supplements or to have kids in a sauna for time How can someone address that? If they've got kids also been exposed. I yeah so I'm I'm an internist and I take care of adults but then of course I have my patients that want me to see their kids so I do have some experience with of kids especially in that have been in moldy environments and affected so kids are so much more susceptible you know they have a heart higher higher respiratory rates. So they're gonNa you know their dose that they get into through their lungs and then they have bought a smaller body mass so a lot of times. Kids are the canaries rate and get their systems are in some ways are so much more robust but then they're also more fragile on the same way so I do end up having induced a. We have a detox bath. That kids Kinda like 'cause it's at Scott It's like doing dirt. They get to get in the dirt and Kinda play So I think using their skin is also really helpful and and then we don't sometimes I will use the life is Emma Glutathione in very small doses. But we also have a topical colluded. That seems to work pretty well for them. And then getting adding onto eat the good healthy foods you know lots of a lot of times you can change their taste buds very quickly and and find lots of vegetables that the leapt eat or or even top hide it in soups and Spaghetti sauces and all that kind of thing can make a really really big difference and then especially if a child is very sick. I'd like the data like I want to know what they're neutral nutrients data says I wanNA know what their gene pathways are. That might it'd caused them to be most compromised than that. We can do the work arounds by really looking at their methylation and that kind of thing but just starting out with the bath the the Little Bit of the Topical Glutathione and then Some really good based nutrients to support their body really good probiotic I've really good multivitamin making sure they have adequate amounts of magnesium that. They're going to the bathroom or the day that they're cleaning drinking clean water and then get them out at the mall figure out a way while the problem is being fixed and not be in that environment any more of its going and staying with friends or family. We've had a lot of problems with the school systems here for in central Texas getting moldy whether it's the air conditioning systems being turned down over the summer and and getting moldy they were Issues with leaks or flooding. And sometimes I've had to have kids changed schools. Wow yeah that's good to know that he to hear that that's a problem problem because that's means it's affecting all of those kids What about pregnancy and nursing? Because I know that's probably one of the most common questions across the board and relation to every topic I've written about it. What what about if you're pregnant or nursing and I know obviously those are times you do have to be really careful about deduct? Whoa what if some mold in there in that phase? That's really really challenging. I mean I liked to help. People get their bodies ready to be robust during pregnancy and to get the toxins out. So they're not passing them through the Placenta or through the breast breast-milk. You cannot Detox Fai when you're you do additional detox while you're pregnant or nursing because the more you free up in your body the more you're going to pass acid on to the to the to the child so the best thing that you can do that is just not exposed. It's hard to have these conversations Christians when it's not a one on one like look the person and I and see because I don't want to create a lot of fear but these micro-toxins are. There're error Terada. Japan's they can cause birth defects. They can cause cancer. And you WANNA be protecting your children's so the best thing you could do is if you're already pregnant or nursing minimize your exposure is like. I don't think that nursing women should eat corn or peanuts because we know that most of those have some level of micro-toxins in Do your best with white. You're eating the coffee that if you are drinking coffee coffee while you're nursing than you know Make sure that it's that it doesn't have the Mycotoxin at you're probably not if you're pregnant. And then just they keep eating. You know for yourself. Keep eating the most healthy foods that you can so that your body is Eliminating a number. Don't do any active form of detoxification with with the detox supplements got it. I know that you have a lot more resources for this. Both our website and in the piece that you mentioned I'll make sure that we have links to both of those in the show notes. A couple of questions. I love to ask a little bit unrelated but toward the end of interviews. If there there is a book or number of books that have really impacted your life if so what are they and why I bought that question so As a child I think one of the most impactful books was actually the serious series by Madeleine Lingo but the when when my most favorite book of hers was a Wrinkle in Tyne fine I remember reading that around fourth grader. Fifth Grade and just made me realize how much I've loved science like I that it. It just peaked. My interest in really figuring out out things worked and made me very curious and then as an adult one of the most inspiring books was actually an autobiography Called Tales of wonder by Heston's math. He's he's one of the first people who really started exploring different world religions and this book so inspired me because he was so curious yes and about how what connects us all but also what makes us different and really celebrating our differences. And you know I think that's one of the biggest things facing us today is that we're all on this planet together and we need to be Solving some of these problems together rather than being divided and and I think he was one of the first people to really start doing not such a positive way. I just I'd and lift his his life with such Grayson and care. I think anybody who reads it would disrepair be inspired about what we can do together. I love that. That's a new recommendation as well. Make sure it's linked in the show notes I am such a huge fan of your work. I and all the people that you help if someone wants to work with you or find out more about your work where can they find you. We are doing a lot on facebook and instagram. To get skews sucessful information out every day. So it's just an chippy. MD and then the website were putting out blogs and useful information on. And I'm trying to get myself to get more in the mode of making some videos to not just the written word but we'll have a lot more videos news coming as well for for people on the website and should be. MD DOT COM awesome. Thank you so much for your time for sharing your work around this like I said I'm a huge fan of your work and I am so excited to get to chat with you today. Yes it's great to get to catch up with you. Thanks for having me and thanks as always to all of you for listening and sharing one of your most valuable resources forces your time with both of us. Were so grateful that you did. And I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the Wellness Mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews I would you please take two minutes to leave a rating or review on itunes for me. 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Health Impacts of Mold Toxicity and Mold Illness

Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition

57:56 min | 11 months ago

Health Impacts of Mold Toxicity and Mold Illness

"Hello and welcome to the doctor. Dockers functional nutrition. Podcast the show designed to give you science based solutions to improve your health and life. I'm Dr David Dockers. Doctor of natural medicine chiropractor and Functional Nutrition Practitioner and on the host of this podcast. I'm here to tell you that your body was created the heal itself and on this show we focus on strategies. You can apply to gay to heal and functioning. I'm excited about today's podcast. But before we jump in. I wanted to remind you to download this month's special gift at Dr Jokers Gift Dot Com from Kito Meal. Plans smoothie recipes fasting quickstart guides a new complimentary gift every single month to get your gift simply visit. Dr Dockers Gift Dot Com. That's D R Shea E. R. S. G. I. F. T. DOT COM. Thanks for spending time with me and let's go into the show. This podcast is sponsored by perfect. Kito guys if you're interested in a great tasting Kito Friendly Bar with you can actually trust you. 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And you'll see as we as we dive into this topic just Just how deep we go and a quality of the content that you get in so just reminders are roughly as I think I did these interviews in two thousand seventeen thousand eighteen years old but The continent is just as relevant. And I know that will make a difference in your life so you will enjoy this content. And he wouldn't mind just leaving US. A rating or review reviews really really counts. They mean the world to us and help us get seen by more people. So if you just go to your apple itunes player and rate US and leave a review. That will really help us Just be able to help. More people get this information out to the masses. Thank you for doing that and enjoy the podcast. They will marry buddy back to the Kito Edge. Summit is your host Dr David Doctors and really excited about this interview. Because we're going to dive into the topic of mold. Toxicity and mold illness. This is an epidemic in our society. So many people have mold exposure whether it's in their house or like we're GonNa talk with Evans today in your food. The food that you're actually consuming Mahala Kita genyk lifestyle. Should be part of the solution jumping. Reduce your exposure helping improve your health in so my guest is my friend. Evan brand who has a functional medicine doctor he as an awesome catcher said functional medicine diving deep in. It's looking at different body parts. Whether it's healing you're you're good overcoming. Chronic infections illness check out his podcast evidence. Just the brand podcast. Is that correct? That's right yes sir absolutes which you want to check out so evan. Thanks so much for being part of the summit here. Thanks for having me. I was glad to help promote this thing last year and then I'm honored to be able to to speak on it because I feel like many people are feeling better. They're seeing the benefits of being in Ketosis. And now I have more reasoning of why I feel so darn good and Kito cyst and so I got to give credit where credit's due a book. That really turned me onto using ketogenic diets to help with mold illness on Candida Parasite infections bacterial overgrowth. I mean really all these gut issues they all. Kinda of are just different flavors of the same dysfunction leaky gut inflammation Food sensitivities etcetera. So Dr Neil Nathan. He's a medical doctor. Wrote a really good book called toxic and that was a book I came across on after figuring out that I was on dealing with the mold issue and he talks about using genyk diets to help people recover and he talks about how as you and Enriqueta chatting about affair. Certain people are going to feel better on lower carb and then some people are going to need to go all the way and go key toasts and it really just depends on how inflamed their brain is how irritated their gut is. What is going to be the secret recipe or Canada's reference range of carbohydrate will for them to succeed and Algiers. Personally what I'm noticing is. I feel much much less brain fog when I'm running on key. Tones as opposed to running on Glucose and so for me you know I had significant brain fog over the last six months to a year. I had I've done an immense amount of suffering in through my exposure to mold and I had dizziness and all sorts of other symptoms. Blood pressure changes sleep issues gut issues etc and I'll tell you staying with this low carb Kito lifestyle. It's really been to me like the foundation and if I go off the rocker I feel it and I'll pay the price for several days. Yes so fascinating. And obviously you've been through a lot at love free to share more about your story. I got into functional medicine in man. This recent bout here with with Moldova illness. Yeah so it's really been ten years now that I've been playing around with herbs and using food as medicine and all that I of course trying to fix my own issues with irritable bowel. I got diagnosed with IBS from different medical doctors and went through the whole the ringer that most people listening have gone through where you get referred to a gastro doctor speak with them and they made us some diagnostic things. Like have you drink a barium drink and then you do an x ray and they look at your gut and try to determine whether you have ulcers and then they recommended doing endoscopy and colonoscopy but I had already knew even a decade ago that those a big risk of picking up infections from doing just routine diagnostic procedures. Because these endoscopes you know. They're often contaminated with bacteria and pathogens from the previous person that they stuck it now. So there's a big issue with this in the medical world where you go into the hospital for procedure and you leave with an infection. You didn't have when you got there. I'll kind of bring that up again later. 'cause there's this big candy to orients. I think you pronounce it. I think it's spelled A. U. R. A. S. Candy to Arias. It's a big outbreak in. This is freaking out because we have hundreds of people dying across you the US right now from this tropical strain of Candida and the doctors can't treat it because the anti fungal drugs have been so overused and abused that we're seeing anti fungal resistance just like we're seeing with antibiotic resistant so as just a little side tangent but my story was I got a bunch of prescriptions written for me like acid blocking medications and other anti spasmodic drugs for my Gut Am. I denied all those prescriptions. Because I knew just intuitively at that time for even had the term medicine money in my head I knew even then that inherently this is not a deficiency of medication causing this problem and so I took out dairy and I took out gluten out of my diet and I immediately got about eighty percent better and then long story short ten years ago up until the present I had H. Pylori which is a really common bacterial infection. Damages the parietal cells. This reduces your stomach acid which allows bacterial overgrowth to flourish candy flourish. So I had those issues to be radically. I also had parasite issues. I lost twenty five pounds without trying. I thought I had cancer. Luckily I didn'- at Parasites and then I got exposed to dental infections. That was another big piece of my journey. I got my wisdom teeth extracted. And there's a infection called Cafe Shen which is in your jawbone most surgeons don't remove the membrane when they remove your wisdom teeth so anyone listening who's had extractions or had root canals they leave these membranes in your gum. And when they seal you back up with stitches that membrane rots and turns your bone into chronic tissues so I literally had black narcotic dying dead decaying jawbone that had to be scooped out and fixed my heart palpitations and blood pressure issues. That was a couple years ago and most recently the recent next chapter was mold exposure and this was through breathing ends or water damage building and I had tons of different issues like dizziness that I did know about our mutual friend. Dr Jack Wolfson. I texted him one day. I said Jack Waking Up Dizzy what's going on and my blood pressure is going crazy. And he said it's Mold Eban no ways brand new house but we tested and confirmed that we did have a mold issue so we remediated. The issue fixed all the problems. We got out of the house just because we had basically trauma from it. We're like okay. We don't WanNa be here anymore. And so now we moved into a new home and I'm on the recovery journey now which we can talk about if you want to. That would love to talk about that. Mold is such a big issue with with clients with mold as well and oftentimes. It's not the first thing we think about life with you talking to you know Texting Jack. You were just thinking. It can't be mold. I don't see any mold. I don't smell it. How would somebody go about saying that? They may be having a mole related issue. Yeah good question. This is part of my initial intake now so with every new client we go over a big series of symptoms and questions and we try to gather as much clinical information as we can and so part of that intake now is asking about these. Different symptoms like dizziness. Have you had joint pain? Ears ringing swollen lymph nodes chemical sensitivity issues etc. And if any of these people check off these symptoms. There's whole list of like fifty on. I won't bore you with all of them. A Vision changes was another. I was having these like floaters kind of blurry vision or I would try to focus on something but I couldn't. It seem like my depth. Perception was a bit off the eye. Doctors like your visions great. It's not that so. We knew that it was mold. And so if anybody indicates these symptoms than we've run some PLATE TESTING. I use a company called Immuno lyrics. I M M UNCO LYRICS SO AMINO LYRICS ALBUQUERQUE. And it's these little plates little petri dishes now. Some may argue before I explain this so may argue. Testing is not as efficient or effective is doing the Ernie and the hurts me. And some of these other doctor. Richie shoemaker recommended test. However I've done hundreds of times the client since then and the plates are a very cost effective way to determine if you have a problem in your home or your office work and so you put the plate on the ground for an hour. You tape it up. He send it back to the lab for analysis. And we watch what grows and you get health score and you WANNA help score of four colonies of mold which is normal to have mold. But you don't want to be insane so four or less as good. We've had clients in the fifties sixties seventies eighties and. These people are chronically chronically. Ill sinus infections joint pain multiple autoimmune diseases etc. And they don't have a clue why they've been detained. Functional Medicine Doctors. They haven't got better on all these thousands of dollars supplements who protocols in. It's because the big smoking gun of all hasn't been addressed. Which is their environment. You can't get well in a sick environment no matter how good your diet no matter how good. Your supplement protocol. I had to learn the hard way. So we do the plates. And then we've run the urine there several different companies out there. That run urine samples four mycotoxin with are the big of it as the poop of the mold. So it's not the mold that makes you sick. It's the micro-toxins produce. That's kind of like you know measuring the Tailpipe of your car. You know you're kind of measuring the emissions of the mold in your body and a Lotta Times. We have people do a week of Glutathione I to mobilize the micro-toxins into push them out the urine so that we get more accurate result. We found that if we did it do a provocation that the result actually looked better for the client meaning. The numbers were lower but then if we retested months later into the protocol then the levels would show much higher and so we were finding that we were just seeing the tip of the iceberg. Were now using the mobilisers like good John. A seat elated or life as normal. We're seeing a far better results. So that's kind of like the testing. How do you figure out if you have a problem? Worse case scenario you spend money on plates and spend money on a urine test in your fine but that's rarely the case you're doing that you're intest you great plains lap. Yes great plains. Lab is who I'm using. I like it. It's a little bit cheaper then our real time laboratories they also do your Michael Talks panel by double. The price in the cool thing is You and I both have a mutual love for organic acids testing and so we can run and organic acids testing a chemical profile in. Michael talks all on one urine sample so in terms of data. I mean we get literally over a hundred data points with somebody and that can really really help us determine you know. How do we start working on someone? How do you prioritize these issues that we found yet? And this is really key in engine brought up the organic acid test. An interesting thing there too is. You can actually see some Boulder Easter Fogel marketers on that you also are going to look mighty contrary people had a lot of damaged. Mitochondria is harder for them to get into ketosis naturally keytar be able to produce them and use them. So that's also a great Margaret around with. Yeah there's a whole kitone fatty acids section on the organic acids too so we can actually see someone. It's not perfect I still prefer to do some actual Kito monitoring but you can look at the urine and if you see elevated levels of certain markers on here we can see hey. This person looks like the ring she tells us but the problem is with the organic acids for looking at whether they're in. Kito sister not as some of these biomarkers may indicate other things like a carnitine deficiency. So then you get kinda confused. You're like well 'cause they're doing good with Ketosis or is it because they they don't have enough carnitine because in a carnitine amino acid comes from meat and we know based on their H. Pylori Infection. That showed up on their stole tests. They don't have enough hydrochloric acid to digest the meat. So then you're you're kind of getting confused so I don't think you can monitor key tones in better ways but the ocean just really really cool to see overall how someone digesting. Yeah for sure and usually the sinement. Somebody's in Kito is actually a really good especially no longer. Periods of time without food in their brain feels good. They don't have hunger cravings things like that so they're not having that you're seeing to key tons elevated there may be some issues like the currency like you were talking about their TV help. Shuttle fatty acids by contract. The may have issues with that may have other issues where they're high stress hormones that are causing them to be kind of in this constant cycle of sugar burnings even though they're trying to become more fat adapted. Your body is not efficient flexible enough metabolic to be able to put in general like you're talking about going on this low car Genetic template has really helped with crook at how that's health. Yeah well like. I said mainly the mental clarity piece of it. Just because one of the big symptoms is confusion on you lose your words allow which I speak every day all day for living so I better have my voice and brain working correctly and so for me. Being lower carbohydrates helped my brain stay focused even though I can feel all day while I'm working I can feel the detox working when I on a hit hit. That glorify defy on an hour later. Like ooh air comes the wave. You gotTA ride the wave. So then I'll go do my binders and then the binders kick in. And you could feel the wave there so it's just helping me to have. It's basically the same benefit that you get with your glucose right where you have less of a blood sugar rollercoaster. You have maybe a little kitty rollercoaster where you have slight drops in glucose and then slight elevations versus very big spikes and then crashes what glucose that affects the brain as well. So I think I think part of this is really just minimizing. The the blood sugar swings is probably the best reason of why my brain is working so good and then of course you're reducing inflammation right. Because I guess it's kind of annoying really. What the what the corporations have done though to to the Ketogenic Diet and lifestyle just like they did to Paleo. Five years ago is now. You've got all these bars out on the market. Where you had like Lauren. Corden who kind of touted himself as the expert or the inventor Paleo Diet and then you get his according bar and it was like twenty five grams of sugar and it was like a Paleo bar with the picture of a woolly mammoth on the on the label and it was like full of dates and and other garbage right. So now we're seeing the same thing with with the Ketogenic Diet and you know some of our friends and mutual friends and acquaintances in the space. They're promoting lot of these different products on the market. That are really distracting from the idea of eating real food. So it's you know by this. Kito shake by this kito powder by Kito Bar etc which. I'm all game for if you're busy you're on the go. You gotTa have a product to help you to supplement the lifestyle but when it gets to a point where people are replacing meals and instead of eating a nice grass-fed pastured meet with some vegetables and maybe some butter and some good spices and etc Nice Celtic Sea. Salt they're a Himalayan salt on their meal and instead like yeah eight this Kito Bar. I did this. Kito shake where you despite this powdery. Whole foods and throw it in with water. It's I we're getting away from the point which is real food the PEOP- The people need to realize this. There's this more profit and I sell supplements to make money selling supplement. So I'm saying this is someone who's in the industry and business. There's more money to be made on selling Kito powder versus selling grass fed steak so just use those products. I use those products personally. But make sure you still have the foundation in of your eating real food to three times a day depending on the person. I have to eat more often because I've noticed the ADRENAL stress of skipping. A meal has been too much for me with physicians. So I've had to add an extra meal where before I was okay at two meals? Now I'm back up to three. Yeah and that's common with the sort of mold illness Dealing with is you've met this constant stress going on and that's principle we talk about getting Kito adapted. One of the big keys is reducing stress on the body now three meals. A day is a lot better. A lot of people are doing eating every three hours or something like that. Five six meals a day or constantly. Getting that insolence so three meals. You KINDA gap it out hydrating between. You'RE GONNA CAUSE BASICALLY A lot less overall insulin being released and therefore in between those meals your body start utilizing those especially some big thin like you. That's basically got this fast metabolism to start doing that. Were Insulin Resistance. Somebody is harder time. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA get basically being able to produce So they may need to reduce the amount of meals that they're consuming to reduce the overall insulin. But when you're dealing with something like were cried stressor Like me on this this case right definitely spacing those meals out keeping your adrenal stress mitigated right getting into a love. Roy have some stress beginning to level where we can adapt the factory. His is key here now. I know in the beginning. We were talking a little bit about mycotoxin each food. Okay and you're talking about how basically Genyk lifestyle helps remove a lot of these things. Let's go into detail about that. Yeah so and I don't know I don't even know I recording at that point but I was telling you I think the reason so many people feel so good going with lower car or maybe even a ketogenic diet is because they're removing a lot of these foods which are contaminated with these mycotoxin so for example there's a common one called zero La- known Zarrella known as e e a for short and this is a mycotoxin produced by the mold species. Saria and this has been shown to damage the kidneys. Deliver it damages the immune system on their some studies showing. It's a it's a carcinogen so causes cancer now. Most people are getting exposed to micro-toxins just based on being in a water damage building. So let's just say that right away. The biggest exposure is breathing in water damage building if you look at some of the statistics that the US EPA IN DC provides. You know they're talking fifty seventy some crazy high number percent of buildings in the. Us have a water event or have had a water event in over the last three years so basically every buildings moldy pretty much. I mean even my friend in Albuquerque New Mexico where the humidity level is only like seven or nine percent. Where here in Kentucky? And you know where you are in the south. It's like seventy eighty percent humidity. It's ridiculous it's like a swamp in a we have a much more higher incidence of mold based on the testing. I've done of people in Kentucky and in the south versus the West. We do see southwest. We do see generally less mold because of less humidity however here this guy is in the desert and he went and visited some of these old or would you call antique stores but History Museums and such and NFL terrible is like those buildings are definitely moldy. So so that's where you get your main exposure but then the food is number two so for example zero known. This mycotoxin is in wheat in barley rice in its in corn. And so if you think about someone that's farming and they take the wheat and the weeds moist and it doesn't dry out within forty eight hours. It's going to have mold growth now with okra toxin. This is another one that I have a my body. Ochre toxin also comes from Water damage buildings primarily ASPERGILLUS PANACEA Liam. But this is what the lab tells us right here. They say here exposure from contaminated foods would be cereals which there's the grain again writer oats and your wheat and barley so cereal grapes and grape juices dairy spices wine so a lot of people may be drinking wine. That's contaminated. Think about it. You gotta dried grapes. How long did it take those grapes to dry out if it took too long? Those grapes grow mould mould puts off micro-toxins and then also says coffee so Dave aspreys done a good job of educating people about molden coffee by promoting his brand. There's other brands out there though. Besides his at have tested coffee and shown that there's no mycotoxin problem. The brand purity purity coffee. Their organic certification which bulletproof is not and they also test for micro-toxins. I don't have affiliation with them. Don't even drink coffee but I have read in recommended that to clients. They've had good success. So why am I bringing this up in food while because you test your house and you show a perfectly fine but then I look at your urine and I'm like okay? Well you either previously lived in a moldy house or you did it test your office and you work in Moldy building or that glass or two of wine. That you drink every night is messed up. So I think there's multiple sources they have to be acknowledged necessarily important You know being KITA genetic I've seen so many people. Roughly fifty to sixty percent of people they get started Template and they feel better pretty pretty quickly a lose weight their brain functions better energies better. But then you've got this forty to fifty percent that seemed to struggle and that forty five percent in may have to deal with something like illness or for chronic infection or something that you've got a DA debris bodies creating too much stress much stress hormone for your body to be to metabolic Adapt become more metabolic. Flexible weren't able to burn fat actively for fuel Creating these key towns and then cycle back burning sugar at times when you're under more stress and so it's constant constant needing more sugar man you go on a lower car diet your honestly breaking down your like you're going levels lower and now you've got less sugar available. You feel terrible and I think is really really important so I love how simple you express that to people. Just want to say back to people so they get it through their head which is the fact that if you have too much stress in your bucket you're GonNa have a harder time adapting to this so if you're one of those people listening your doctor dockers look. I went Kito. I didn't lose weight. I didn't have all these miraculous effects that you talk about. Why not well? Because there's a rock that has been overturned. There's a source of stress that has not been acknowledged or found yet. And that's why if you work with the practitioner. That's doing good work on you. Hopefully they'll find that. So maybe they'll find the candy that they'll find the mold they'll find the parasites the adrenal dysfunction where cortisol too low or too high or. It's an inverse pattern or if got micronutrient deficiencies or you've got a bad boss or bad spouse. You've got bad relationships constantly. Keep you in fight or flight. Because you're worried your boss is GonNa come over your shoulder and yell at you or fire you or you're in a marriage that you know you don't need to be in but you're financially dependent on the other person's like you're stuck in the marriage. I mean I can't tell you how often we discuss relationship issues and I'm not a relationship counsellor. But this comes up in conversation when you're doing an assessment on somebody you find out their biggest sources stress as their husband is a okay. We gotta fix that. You know. This lifestyle may not work. If he's still got this guy around exactly. I mean we gotta look at Physical Chemical Mental Emotional stressors writes. Maybe they got a car accident or sitting with really bad posture all day long. I mean actually be a factor. You've got a mental emotional issues like you're talking about that. Relationships chemical factors like mold like chronic infections like just being exposed to a lot of taxes. Maybe you're living area. Where if they did date in your house or in your office you've got. Voc's coming out of that stress. Your body so yeah it gotta look at your overall stress. Load your stress bucket like we're saying really address that and that's where worth with. Somebody like Evan himself can help you identify what's causing the issue root cause and story addressed out similarly good stuff is. I just want to interrupt this podcast about one of my favorite superfood chocolate powders. It's called cash. Cow BLISS SEEK A cow is unprocessed chocolate. It is rich in neuro. 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Use the Coupon Code David at checkout Earth Echo foods dot com forward slash David shockers? These are coupon Code David to get fifteen percent off today. What would you say when shorting on a Ketogenic Diet might staue? What sort of food should they focus on that provide the most nutrient density mycotoxin? Ooh good point. I'm GONNA say the pastured in my first instinct was like Ooh Hope Pecans. I love Pecans. But I have concern with pecans pistachios and cashews almonds and all those potentially being a source of micro-toxins as well unfortunately and then also for talking to people with auto immunity a lot of times. We're putting those people on like an autoimmune Paleo Ketogenic type protocol where they are temporarily removing nuts and seeds so those wouldn't be in the picture stuff I have to go with the pasture. Deeds in the near Berry's your organic Broccoli. Maybe your asparagus anything. That's going to contain sulphur. That's can help fuel those detox pathway. So for me. I've even had some clients so sick that they they can't even tolerate Broccoli because it up regulates detoxification and they filled it. They get a bad reaction from Broccoli. Which sounds crazy but when you've worked with so many people and you find so many people that are sensitive the clients really teach you more than the books and they'll tell you oh Broccoli Detox Mike. Whoa is it really ensure enough. I mean look on the market. We've got a bunch of Broccoli extracts on the market you can give someone in capsule form to fuel detox pathways right so we know that this stuff works. I would say organic veggies. I prefer lightly steaming cooking those because a lot of our clients and people listening they have gut issues so they may not do well with Salads are all leafy Greens. I personally don't I don't eat many raw greens cooker lightly steamed most of them in your pastured meets in. Of course you gotTa have the past your word in there too because if you're eating just like a grain fed cattle or let's just say it was a grass-fed but grain finished cattle. I have an issue with that. Because what's the health of those grains were those grains were they contaminated because if you're eating a grass-fed but grain finished animal? We know that those micro-toxins transferred to the meat and when you eat that meat you're eating the mycotoxin so for me. I want one hundred percent respite. I don't want it to just say grasp on the label and since you know. Grass-fed is becoming so popular. Same thing is with like Paleo bars and stuff. The food industry is kind of corrupting at terms. That you really have to ask the question now. Okay it's grass-fed but Finished on grass as well because a lot of times to add extra fat into to get the animals bigger so that they can make more money though. Add grain into the mix at the end but that might necessarily not be on the label. So I think it's annoying to have to be this picky in specific with your food. But that's just the reality of it and I embrace it because I like talking with people at the farmer's market or just going on the website there's one called local harvest you can look up just Google local harvest you put in your zip code type in chicken. You're gonNA find some guy that does chickens the right way and you can go get local pasture chicken or local pasture beef or lamb or whatever you like and so I think embracing on your local community is important as opposed to just going to whole foods and getting the organic beef there. Nothing wrong with that. I just like to know hey might be only travel by thirty miles down the road versus a lot of these big supermarket. Sydor carrying grass fed beef. Now it's all food that is from the Amazon rainforest in Brazil where we're cutting down massive amounts of rain forest to replace it with Couto farms so that we can sell grass fed beef because the demand has grown so much and saw an article the other day about that that said that if it says product of USA that doesn't mean that the cow was actually raised in the USA. It's if they package it in the USA. So be eating. Brazil made or New Zealand meat or whatever Australia and the now you're paying for an airplane to fly that me across the world so for just thinking like hey I wanna be healthy but I also want to take care of my planet. Getting a local product is going to be far better. Yeah I think that's a great point creating a relationship with a local farmer or farmer's group farmers market can be really really helpful and you know these are small business owners so they want to know what the consumer wants right so you can help drive with the kind of products that he wants. Special getting group touching unity around your area Boys ways for helping farmers year their production right way. So it's a great point dowse bucks like how to set up a meal plan for eight low mycotoxin because we can't get rid of micro-toxins altogether we can true certainly consume a lower mycotoxin loaded in heater JENEX STYLE WAY. We get the benefits here. Foods like coconut for example which has antifungal in it. We're not so can be related for how can produce. Candida can certainly be used. What are your thoughts on like a protein shakes coconut milk? So then along those lines damage fan. I use it as supplement though right so if I do a protein shake I'm still gonNA need a breakfast. May Be like a pasture sausage or ankle up with a handful of blueberries. That's what I did today so I think with the coffee piece. So many people drink coffee my wife. She loves I don't know see what the what the benefit is. Everybody else is gonNA shake their head. But I'm okay without coffee. You know I feel good my energy sustainable without it. I find a lot of people. Are they think that they have true energy? But they don't like a fake energy from coffee when we pull it out for a month to let their gut rest like Oh my God. I'm tired I didn't know how exhausted I was. So if you're GonNa do coffee let's start. Let's just go through the full day real quick. So if you're going to have that morning coffee. Let's make sure it's a. It's a high quality coffee that has been tested for micro-toxins and you're not contributing to damaging your kidneys by drinking Okra toxin every morning. So that's step one and then if you do a protein shake. I'm a huge fan. I'm I like to do PEA proteins for a lot of people because a lot of people have gut issues and they may not tolerate way protein. I it's actually to a point where I tolerate a grass-fed way protein. And I love it. So that's what I'll do is like either grass-fed way or like a pastured collagen protein. That in may be at a handful of blueberries. If I'M GONNA do the blender add a handful of organic blueberries. Maybe a half of an avocado or coconut oil in their mcat oil. A lot of people talk about it in the community. I don't feel to good with it personally not to say that you can't do it. I just feel better doing. Coconut oil versus. Emc Not for me. I just feel spacey. I'm just like WHOA. I'm just out of my mind on it so I just personally don't do it much. Maybe that's the key tones kicking in my brain. I don't know I don't know what's going on but I just. I feel better on coconut oil. So that's what I do and then breakfast we talked about that. So if you're GONNA do me make sure it's a pastured me not a green fit. Beat so try to do your best there. And then we talked about the cereals. So we'RE GONNA do a serial make Paleo granola style like where it's more nut seed based not so much oats in. Why don't even know what cereals made of anymore? I don't even eat it. I guess corn is a lot of serials made of corn and corn is highly contaminated with Michael Toxins. Just Google corn mycotoxin. There is a big Study survey last year in the US ninety seven percent of all us. Corn has at least one mycotoxin so ninety seven percent of corns contaminated. So there you go. Why that while because we're spraying. Life is eight on the fields and guess what life is doing. It's damaging the microbiome of our guts but also the soil. So then you've got these other species becoming more aggressive so we're were messing up. Stop Spring as people please. All right move on so and then you go to lunch. So let's say you're not going to do a sandwich. 'cause you're who eats bread right so you're gonna be doing maybe meet again and if you have to do some type of her bread actually found this. You might like this. Dr Dockers is cool company. I just alle called. It's a product called Swat S. W. A. P. P. L. E. S. so to swap oil and basically it's kind of upon but they're saying you're swapping bad ingredients good ingredients so they make these like they look like waffles. But they're made of Yuca or Yucca. However you pronounce it and so they have these waffles and they've got a sentiment one so it's like Yucca. Yuka somebody please correct me on that. And then it's cinnamon. Coconut oil seesaw. In a little bit coconut palms sugar like two grams of sugar per waffle. So if you've got somebody WHO's like. Hey I absolutely have to have some type of quote treat. That's a good option. But they have like a more of a plane version of that that you could use as a bread replacement. Some wanted to do that. You could do that if you had to have like a sandwich and then dinner same thing. Organic meats organic veggies. I mean it's so simple I think people make it more complicated than it is. That's why I have it. Written a cookbook is because I feel like I would bore people with how simple I am like. I'll do a bison stake some organic peas with butter and then what else. Maybe a baked sweet potato couple days a week with some buttering sentiment. Like I feel like that's so boring but that's how I e I feel great that way. Yeah absolutely you know. This is what we do. We'll do something like grass fed beef dyson peppers onions. Things like that scheme Broccoli cauliflower really like making cauliflower mashed potatoes including trick their rights you get the benefits of that as well and my kids love it be not got twin three and a half year olds in in a newborn or a one year old so And they absolutely love it so fact. My wonderful e as her favorite thing is cauliflower. Mashed potatoes is not over anything. The other day were given us some egg if she loves Akio. Can we give her? That will put Strawberry Avocado end. Collagen powder Ninja land that up. She loves that as well. School Strawberry Pudding for so. These are great things that you could be doing now do you. Do you all do sweet potato. I mean for me I love it. But I'm just guessing maybe for this audience. Maybe you don't recommend between definitely higher car. They're healthier carbs source right. So if you're gonNA shoot his carbs or if you're going to cycle out of details which we recommend from time to time as we are rate choice for me. I typically go very car I will do like one or two weeks at a time and then I might have one or two bills were. I'm doing higher cards right and I just noticed that I feel better when I do that. You know one of my favorite carved sources that I love is Charities Huge Fan of Cherries. I get frozen. Cherries big some with likes some coconut almond butter for marijuana farms with that ran by the way they test their nuts. Make sure that they are free of mold beautiful. I have seen that brand before they do a lot of rows stuff too. Don't they exactly? It's good brand exactly so anyways longtime big sat narrow and that's kind of like a little card up a bunch of frozen cherries with coconut almond. Butter taste is now. Can You Find Organic Cherries? I I don't really eat cherries. Maybe I showed whole foods organics frozen chariots. Opiates but this new house will moved into. We've got blueberry Bush. Sober excited about that perfect. How big is it? It's pretty big and we got a bowl of Of BLUEBERRIES I. Amy Picks Beautiful. Yes year further south than me so I've got to Soon as I moved into my house first thing I did is plant trees. I planted some fifteen foot. Norway Spruce Make Nice Wall and then I planted two blueberry bushes. So they're only about. I would estimate there three years old. I had like six or seven in my old house. So I had to get my blueberries back and I just picked the first handful a couple days ago. So were getting into blueberry season At the time of this recording. So it's good. It's good stuff mad. Let's talk about a little bit about some supplements that you mentioned binders too. So this could supplements for somebody. That is dealing bold. Yeah so first of all. We talked about testing. Make sure you get the clinical data. I right because I don't want a bunch of people going on Amazon or whole foods or whatever in buying every single thing I'm about to say and then saying evident didn't work. Well get the data. I because why fix the problem? If you don't know you have one same thing with like gut issues people say. Oh I've parasites I can feel him. I'M GONNA go take a bunch of wormwood and Cloven Barberini in Oregano oil. Well are you sure you want to do that? Like get the get the data so assuming people tested like yet. I've got a problem. Okay well even. If you didn't have information like good if ions great for anyone pretty much or an acetyl glued to theon which is what us. I've got a product called good if I am pro. Which is a blended a CDL? Goodbye on which is just as good ineffective as life was plus it has indeed assisting in there which is very important because in a season antioxidant. But it's also a glutathione precursor meaning kind of the spark plug if you will you have to have in a C. manufacturer glutathione and the liver and so as we age we make less and less glow to Thi- just like we make less and less stomach acid so as you get older? I believe it's really critical to supplement with acid hydrochloric acid and enzymes plus glued. Afyon and. That's GonNa help mobilize the toxin. So I told you when I take that good if I on I feel the wave like actually I started to have some twitching. Believe it or not. It was weird by Finger. Start twitching and that's how I knew I was moving the toxins around. So guess what you go. Take Your binder which I use. Several different products. Usually a combination of zeolite been tonight. Charcoal Clara Ella full vacant humic acids and then all this other twitching immediately and my finger immediately disappears so turtle like glorify on opens the gates and mobilize toxins and brings him out of the tissue in the binders kinda grabs onto them like a catcher's Mitt and pulls him out through the intestinal tract. Now you can do too much of this so you can do too much glue to classify on him feel bad a couple of weeks ago. Our call my buddy our doctor. Dr Just Markelle Johnny. Our mutual friend. I called him up because I took a dose of Glutathione. I felt really good and I thought okay if I feel so good. I'm going to do a double dose and I had the worst headache in my life so I called up just in my all. Hell what do I do? He's like okay. Okay magnesium vitamin C extra charcoal. And you know I think just talking through with him kind of helped and so you can do too much of a good thing so start low and slow with colluded on if you're GonNa do it and then with binders. Obviously start low and slow there because binders sound. Perfect were binding to the toxin. Were pulling it out. But that's not really how it works because charcoal it's an ads orbit so it really the toxin onto the charcoal molecule. But you still have to drag it through the intestinal tract so if somebody has a leaky gut situation some of those toxins are GonNa Kinda fall off the molecule of charcoal if you will get reabsorbed back into the bloodstream. So this is why I feel really good on like two capsules a charcoal at a time. But if I try to go too much. Charcoal actually feel worse. Might well I did not know the was too much binding possible but there is so I think those would be my my top recommendations and then also I did mention briefly. Kerala Kerala is really good for heavy metals too so we often use a micronized Kerala a company called Bio Ray. We use their products to really good for kids to actually have my daughter. She just turned three over the weekend. got my my daughter doing some micronized. Lorella. We've got her zeolite. We've got her on. Been tonight clay and charcoal at kid-friendly doses. Well because she was breathing the same air as we were and she smaller so obviously her burden in buckets to fill up faster than adult. Yeah it's good to know and know some of those fighters charcoal tip too much sugar. Slow Down Your intestinal tracts. So he went to make sure you've got good gotten that you're moving your balance well so too much of that can cause that issue. Yeah this is true if you're not pooping daily now you probably need to fix that first before you go into binders. Because I don't want somebody. Pooping once every three to four days on binders. They really need to fix that issue. I we need at least one to two poops per day. And that's not like the rabbit pellets. We need a good size. Stole banana-sized Banana Shaped Banana Texture? Basically it least once or twice a day before we can go into the BINDER territory. Yes so good so good all right so last question is what are your top five like if you were on it on a deserted islands. You only got five fruits. What would you bring home man? This is funny. I just had this conversation my wife yesterday. The people now are going to go point fingers at me but I love taints. I really love plantations. I don't live in a tropical environment so I don't eat them every day but I love plantations. There's a couple brands that make planting strips or you can get like a palm oil with plantains. That's like that's like a treat right. Like if I'm on my deathbed and I WANNA alas meal. I'm GonNa have some plantation strips or just week plaintains just fresh plaintains so. I really liked those. Next food is probably GONNA BE ELK I'm a huge fan of alchemy. Me especially for the good fast and good protein. That you're getting off. People talk about. Beef and beef is cool but I like L. and I prefer the taste of it so I'm a huge fan of elk. Now you know here in Eastern Eastern Kentucky but in Eastern Kentucky we have the largest elk herd east of the Mississippi so most elbow west. We've actually got fourteen thousand elk in Kentucky now that have been restored since about nineteen ninety. Seven's like twenty years ago. They started bringing in elk and now they're spreading down south towards you so they're headed down towards the Appalachian Mountains through China Smoky Mountains etc and so there are some hunting seasons but you can also buy Elxsi made. That will be number two in Tennessee at by father-in-law out my wife and I were a small town in Tennessee Tennessee but went to this kind of community events and an elk so nice educate one yet no bonds course just. The Burger tournament in St is delicious. I love the taste of it in terms of my my my meat preference beef is on the map but then I like bison better than beef than L. Guy like even better than Bison I mean. It's just phenomenal. So that would be number two and so number three. I'm going to go with blueberries. I think there's a lot of benefits to having some antioxidants on board. I'm not saying either pound of day. But I'm saying having blueberries on hand would be a great strategy number four. Well I mean if this is a deserted island where the soils good enough to grow Broccoli. Well let's crow some Broccoli on that island. I think a huge fan of anything. That's GonNa feel that that soldier pathway so embraced the taste. Good too so. Let's go with that number five. I'm going to say pumpkin seeds. I'm a huge fan of pumpkin seeds. Really good source of fat very very nutrient dense quite numerous benefits to pumpkin seeds too so I would pick out or maybe PECANS as number five. That would be my top five. If you gave me ten I'd have more to play. Some great choices. Evans has been a wonderful interview. Any last words of inspiration for listeners. I would just tell people if you made it this far. Good Job Pat yourself on the back. Congratulate yourself because to find somebody like Dr Joggers? And this event is hard enough. Because there's so much noise out there right now because of the ability of the Internet is wonderful. That's how we're able to connect and spread this information to you but that also allows people who really don't know what they're doing are talking about who have no clinical experience to spout out things and so you'll find an article ketogenic diet dangerous or you know. A Red Meat Causes Cancer. And you know I think the reason that Dr Jonkers and I get along so well that you know he goes into the research and he looks at what does the data say what is his clinical experience show and you take those two pieces of Information. You combine them and you get the truth and I think as the food industry is trying to pivot figure out how they can profit based on all of us people not buying the processed food anymore. They're really trying to figure out. What can we do to sell stuff? The people you're going to get some bad studies out there and you're GonNa get people that are paid off. Doctors that are paid off to save this bad thing. That bad thing about a particular food group or particular way of eating so I would just say pay attention to what he's telling you but also go with how you feel if you feel good eating aggressive stake just because CNN n. n. news brought up article. Read Me Causes Cancer. You're gonNA dive padded cancer. Read me you need to go Vegan to save the planet. Maybe pay much attention to that. Because the more confusion that is you end up with this analysis paralysis. Then you go to the grocery. You don't know what the by you don't know what to eat. And then you get so stressed out that you just go in he cookies again as you're like screw it everything's bad. I'm going to die of something. I'm just GONNA go eat whatever I want. And that's not the thing so so that's my little small rant about that and then and then the second thing likes as just if you have made it this far. You're on the right track. You gotTa keep going. There's probably not a finish line that you're gonNA reach where you're going to be happy and everything in your life is perfect but taking his information today and applying it finding practitioner. That can help you getting all the puzzle. Pieces is is the hardest step. So if you've done this you've done that you've done that you still have issue. You still have suffering. There's more puzzle pieces to discover so don't give up. Don't look at your suffering and say I'm never going to get better. You know like that negative self talk. It's easy to do. We all do it. But it's not GonNa get you anywhere. So try to flip that and say look I've got my diet dialed in good. This is my foundation now. Might investigators mold thing. Maybe maybe Evans on something. I'm an investigate. This and maybe you strike out in this isn't it but you gotta just keep going. My journey has been a decade. And it's still going and I'm still not out of the woods yet right so if you learned anything for my suffering it's that there is hope and rarely. Does it have to result in a pharmaceutical drug or a surgery. So if that's the only option you're left with. Hey you know we've got to cut your leg off. Hey we've got to put you on this drug look around. Get a second opinion on that before you do it. Career Advice Evidence. Manjoo FOR BNO VOICE. Truce and really using your challenges. Your health story tump inspires so many other people having such a powerful and positive voice when it comes to that and your help people all around the world so just really thankful to have you in this field helping people at Ruth. Knicks have his edge summit. So thanks so much guys. It's brand dot com. Check him out if you're looking for a practitioner confided better one than Avenue can sit right there in your house look at them on your Webcam at work with him. He'll help guy just so no commute needed right our with your virtually at really help figure out a plan with you to get healthy and well so evan thanks so much again for being a part of the KENO edge summit and a frog listeners. Out there hopefully got a tremendous amount of value. I in this interview and if so please share somebody else. You're sharing his carrying itself hassle long. Let them know about the summit and you might make a huge difference in their lots so be blast everybody. 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Coffee Drinking Tips for Fat Burning & Brain Health with Dr. Charles Livingston

Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition

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Coffee Drinking Tips for Fat Burning & Brain Health with Dr. Charles Livingston

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So many guys have been asking my thoughts on coffee. I have a great blog article on coffee. But i also wanted to bring an expert on. We can have a great discussion on coffee. I really think coffee is one of the best things you can use. However if you're drinking conventional coffee you're gonna learn how toxic and damaging and inflammatory that can be for your body. I do not recommend your conventional coffee for a number of reasons. We're going to go through that. There are special brands of coffee. And one that. I really looked at in detail that i personally use called life booze coffee. I brought on our guest. Dr charles livingston. And he's a board certified chiropractic physician certified wellness practitioner and nutrition expert and he has a strong passion for helping others to become their best version of themselves and be as healthy as possible. Just like me which led him on a journey to take a beverage that fifty percent of the population drinks on a daily basis. of course. we're talking about coffee and make it the healthiest cleanest tastiest version on the planet and from that life boost coffee was born. Life's coffee has really grown because of anytime a business really grows to hit number two seventy one on the inc. Five thousand for the five thousand fastest growing companies in the us. So anytime accompanied does that for nutrition product. You know it's because people are sharing at people are telling their customers. They're telling their family and their friends and again. This is the coffee that i drink. And that's why. I'm excited to bring dr charles on the podcast. Dr charles welcome. Thanks appreciate it. Thanks for having me yeah absolutely. So how'd you get into coffee to begin with no. I did not drink coffee until i was in my mid thirties. Really young men. I started like probably a lot of people started. It was drinking the drinks at starbucks. The yup no super hype dutch sugar. Live hayes in frappuccino does all that was my introduction to copy it slowly. You became aware of the health benefits. Coffee in slowly. Became aware of you. Know how the obviously the energy boosts the brain boost you get from it and from there you know i started to do my research and dig deeper and realize wow you know. Coffee is news a lot of chemicals coffee out again. You know organic in the problem with sony organics is you know they. The flavor profile for some reason wasn't as good as that's kind of what you always hear in the industry is it doesn't taste as good as conventional coffee for some reason own quest to figure out you know how can get the healthiest tastiest cup of coffee possible. Yeah that's when he found life boost so short by talking about the benefits of coffee because a lot of people think that coffee itself is just a bad thing drank like feel the benefits. But you know there's so much information in the health and wellness space and a lot of people. Think coffee's bad but then you know some people are real huge advocates a coffee. Let's start by talking about the benefits. The research actually says about coffee yes sure So there's there's a ton of benefits is actually the number one source of any for people in the us. So let's be good or bad thing. I need at eating enough fruits and vegetables. But no it's it's loaded with any oxidants and bioflavonoids Just from all you. The cafe gases in all the oils did You know things in there. another thing it's great for your liberal health There's a lot of research that shows on people who drink coffee reduced risk of different types of cancers They is shown research you know there's anti aging effects it can fighting expression. Obviously you get the the boost with your Your booze in your brain boost from Shown how it helps with alzheimer's disease. I mean this is mobile kinds of of benefits But just like anything else can watch. Good thing is bad and than down. No caffeine is a drug in too much of that is also bad for you buy. So it's it's a balanced. So when things i will tell you is a you know if you're looking like to balance a health benefits versus you know having too much coffee you're looking between three to five cups a day. Depending on the right and also audited adrenals are unique. Can play those. Thanks to unit your functional med. Yeah absolutely i mean. Everybody has a different caffeine tolerance. Right so i think that's a big factor with it. Some people are fast metabolisers. Caffeine other people are slow metabolisers. Sometimes it's slow metabolize notice little more anxiety jittery as things like that. So they have to watch out you know. And there's other things like magnesium for example which actually coffee has magnesium in it know just natural plants. You know things that. So so anything that's going to elevate our adrenals or are are Glucocorticoid wade's right. In nature comes with magnesium chocolate coffee things like that but for some individuals are so magnesium deficient that they need to take extra magnesium in fact. That's actually one of the hacks. I have for people as take magnesium with your copy take some extra magnesium and you'll notice that a little bit more smooth when you take it if you are noticing the anxiety. The jittery s interesting thing too about coffee is those compounds. He talked about like a fake acid core. Genyk acid in their those things actually stimulate autophagy. Which is really where our body recycles all damage proteins in the system. So i'm a huge advocate of fasting and for many people. Coffee can actually help enhance the benefits of fasting drinking some good high-quality now. That's right there you go do. One hundred two intermittent fasting. You got it and actually enhances it in brain autopsy. Right know that things like alzheimer's disease parkinson's dementia. That's actually what we know is that there's an inability to go through autophagy and brain. So there's all these dysfunctional proteins ladies and neurofibrillary Tangles in alzheimer's brains lewy bodies and the parkinson brain. And so when you're fasting and you're you're drinking your coffee and a fast state. You're actually getting compounds in and getting your insulin down. So you can activate that autophagy breakdown those those proteins really clean your brain same thing with your liver right helps dilate those bile ducts which can help get rid of you know sluggish byles. So like you were talking about with liver health so yeah really a lot of good benefits now you know i always tell people if you are noticing that you drink a cup of coffee should feel great like a natural response is drink coffee. You should feel great game if you notice you have cravings anxiety right things like that it may be either in a couple of things could be something you put in the coffee like sugar for example. I wish we don't recommend Could be the type of coffee. And i wanna go into more detail about that and compounds that could be in that coffee that are triggering more inflammation or it could be for whatever reason you're a rare individual has maybe a food sensitivity to coffee in general right so that could be that or could be again magnesium deficiency at needs to be addressed. So my question for you here is what are the compounds right. I know like for example. Life boost coffees mycotoxin. Free water micro-toxins. And how can they. Actually you know how. How do they getting coffee. What kind of effect can they have on our bodies. Yes my talk is basically. it's mult right. There's like aflatoxin. A b a bunch of them on. And so what happens is you know. If if you're being get wet or damp they have a tendency just like anything else. Grows mon mike. Dogs are not just in coffee in all types of foods right So jeans and things like beans tend to be higher in them. it's high higher amounts of micro-toxins in like cut grains and then also like chocolate coffee can be like can can be one that tends to aggregate more micro-toxins if it's not treated properly so yeah so what we do is we always you know when when the beans leave the country. They're always tested for this in. They have their threshold. And then we get the beans we also. We basically do another test. We set it up to a third party. Lab will test for micro-toxins plus like four hundred other toxins heavy metals pesticides. Those type of things. 'cause you know process important to be the cleanest i mean. This is something drinking every single day. The something your drink every single day just you know it's like it's not that one cup is going to kill you or it's gonna bother is going to hurt your health. It's you know the accumulation of all these cups over time in my take something like coffee. Take those toxins in. Its you basically concentrating Cup rain so the pesticides herbicides. You know all the stuff that heavy metals whatever's being you know conventional whatever whatever's being put on those beings you know it when you concentrate that into liquid that you're drinking you know that has tennessee accumulate. What we call bioaccumulative tie so whatever you can do like. I'm all about taking tiny steps for your health guy so anything you can cut it out. You know. Do it as you him. Now for your healthy pay later. Yes oh true. I mean are my nutrition philosophies you a maximize minimize toxins and so you know. Coffee is loaded with good nutrition. But if you're bringing in all these toxins than you're actually causing more harm to your body and this is why i don't drink. Your typical conventional is out there. Because you know they're one of the most pesticides aside sprayed plants and then like like we were just talking about michael. Talks are really big issue. And some people have pretty significant negative reactions to mycotoxin. They don't they don't know because micro-toxins aren't frequently talked about in the trip nutrition circles and so people respond negatively to things and they just think okay. I can't eat that food or that particular thing or i. It's certainly can happen with coffee. Might drink you might have tried some sort of coffee and may have even been in. Organic coffee had a bad response to it. And it may have been the micro-toxins and you didn't know it you're right. Yeah for sure. So this is definitely something very very important to avoid. You wanna make sure when you're looking for coffee you're getting it organic. You're making sure that you're getting at mycotoxin free. So those are key buzzwords to be looking for their that way. There were ganic. Nope asides herbicides treated on it. Mycotoxin breen. ideally like. You said that it's actually lab tested right because they could grow it on an organic farm. They can kind of Produce it in such a way. That would limit michael toxins. But unless it's actually being tested there you just don't know. Yeah yeah it's It's it's interesting you know. You don't hear a lot about motor micro-toxins when it comes to help but is like i was relying things could really really have detrimental effects even would back in the day when i was practicing in even when i have friends feeling to being asked me health questions as now one of the things like they are like i was raw. That's usually what i go to might need be. Tessa promotes mike right. Yup yeah absolutely like especially those cases where people have made lifestyle. They're taking supplements things like that. And yet they just cannot get over the hump. We're thinking mold especially you know if you noticed like you wake up in the morning. Your nose is running or if you consume something and you kind of have like this histamine response a lot of times. That's micro-toxins are mold reactions. That are taking place where you're kind of nose is running. You might feel like just almost like a little bit swollen Different issues like that brain fog headaches in these are all really common reactions there and there's actually a lab tests that my team will run on people. My health coaching team called new organic acid test. Urine test actually. We see oftentimes mycotoxin. Somebody's run a full mycotoxin panel and we see so many people high in mycotoxin like very high mycotoxin levels so this is definitely important consideration. You've gotta take when it comes to your health. Now when i think about coffee also a lot of people get acid reflux right. Drinking coffee would have you seen with that. I know that you you you with life boost really tried to create a coffee. That would not have a reaction like that yes. So that's great. That's a great question and that was something that we just discovered haphazardly Right at the beginning of the company we keep getting this testimonials in about our coffee. I can actually drained as it doesn't hurt my stone and so after you know several dozen came in and i'm like there's probably something do this so we don't win. We start exploring like the process. Not light light. Got like a fifteen point process of you know how we check off like our procedure of like what makes a great coffee. A healthy coffee right And one of the things as we're developing this one of the things we noticed was that because of one the region in this growing in you know it's higher beijing roan which one keeps micro-toxins off of it. It's because it's harder you know the higher up you get oxygen get right So it's harder for moldy grow But then also because of that. We allow the another thing we do. Is we allow the copy of chur willing end that slow maturation somehow lowers the half or the the malls Yeah that's That this is like that across of how we roast it ph test to make sure were you know. I think we're like thirty percent above you. Know dimensional coffee in city or yet were lower in a city. Thirty percent of the other coffees as we test or badges just to make sure that you know. That's one of the things that's super important now. It's low acid. I didn't realize until ben dowa such a problem that people haven't been able to drink coffee for twenty years. Yup because it was hurting her stomach and then all of a sudden you know they try ours and they're able to like only gosh you know i realize a an issue. Yeah that's so good and if you're drinking coffee that your tastes your stomach in may also be a warning sign that you actually have a weakened mucosal membrane along your stomach seed. You want to do other things. To number one is obviously. You don't wanna be consuming really harsh acidic things so you want to get the right coffee but then also you want to do things to help. Support that stomach lining to like maybe aloe vera juice is actually really good l. gloomy and can be helpful licorice root. You can drink some herbal teas with things like marshmallow root that can be really helpful also could be good idea to get tested for something. Like h powell arrives bacterial infection. That will lower your ability to produce stomach acid because actually believe it or not when people are reacting poorly to things like vinegar or Or coffee like when. It's kind of that pain in their stomach. Oftentimes they're not able to produce enough stomach. Acid believe it or not and mucous membrane in their stomach wears down and then they into coffee in it irritates them. So but what i have found too is even if you have a good healthy intact stomach lining. It's still good to get a coffee. That's not too acidic. Okay so i think that is a good principal and just the fact that like you were talking about your allowing it to fully mature you know. I think the full maturation is going to increase the amount of antioxidants as well. Just make sense in nature There's there's more protection needed there at full maturation so you're going to get more antioxidants and i think that's going to be really important there as well. Yeah and that led me to create a probiotics coffee. That's right that's interesting for for for gut health And the one thing with probiotics is that you know we can only do a cold brew with this one because he would kill our right after the bane beans were roasted. We found this incredible probiotic could be sprayed. It has twelve different strains in one of the strains actually was trained over seven generations to go through the body. seek out micro-toxins. Really al's like well so interesting. How nature works right. This is a kind of bacteria that naturally cultivates on the coffee. Bean no okay Something that we had this. This is like what we call a functional off gotcha Blend yes yup. Oh we like a very big on purity that coffee making sure so like all of our coffees Except for our low slide. All the copies used the same coughing being And then like like with the probiotics will add some. Do it in a specific ways doesn't kill it in there it's got a high absorption rate and your body cash used great But people have to colebrook because if the heated riot that yeah that makes sense yeah but yet to that s another way for low acid is also at a using alkaline water when you you bring your coffee's so that's you know i've got all cleanwater in in my this is actually had the probiotics right right up drinking. Yeah but Yeah us ally water. It's another great way to help the acidity as well. Hey i just wanted to take a quick moment and tell you about my new book. The fasting transformation. I am so excited about this book. It is a functional guide to help you burn fat. Heal your body and transform your life with intermittent and extended fasting. Fasting is the most ancient form of natural medicine in this book. I take you on a journey to help you understand. How fasting improves your blood sugar and your insulin sensitivity how it shuts down inflammation in your body optimizes. Your hormones turns on fat burning and helps activate stem cells and deep cellular healing guys. You're gonna learn so much from this book you can check it out. The fasting transformation on amazon or on our web page docker jonkers dot net forward. Slash fasting transformation. So check that out. Now you guys are gonna love the book if you have a chance. Leave a review on amazon. Thanks so much yeah. That's good now. I've heard this term called shade grown so long people market like shade grown coffee. What are the benefits of that. Are there benefits. Where does that mean yes. So when coffee shade grown one It allows the coffee to mature slower because jay is not in the sun beating down on it so it doesn't like when i went with coffee is grown in the sun. It matures much faster in the these type of coffee. You get the jitters. What's right yeah That robusta beans which are are arabica. Which is a hybrid being And then you know. The other thing with shade is allows coffee It it gives a canopy For burs so the birds are natural insecticides pesticides right because they that's yeah so it's a whole ecosystem drives soon. I only are you. You drinking health healthy amazing coffee. You're also helping preserve protect the environment wildlife in that super bored us. It's definitely good. No so that's yeah. Let's go back to the type of beans. You mentioned a rabeeka. What are the different types of beans and one of the benefits of those those. What you best. The two major types types of beans are robust. Avoca Robusta are the ones that are you know the cheaper ones. Those are the ones don't taste as well and they're super high caffeine. Yeah and a raga are the ones that you see. More the specialty. Deans more. you know. They're they're the the bigger that healthier type of be right when there's all different kinds from I can't even pronounce like mary guy. America guide her And then the bourbon mutations different mutations in then there's different strains that you all kinds of crazy stuff now just trying to create all these different fees and then you have the different regions in other grown Anywhere from africa to indonesia to costa rica. Zil columbia obviously in ours is nicaraguan. So you small nicaragua close to Resorts so we to get you know as natural healthiest possible on a small farms right. Yeah absolutely yeah. Because when you're using the big farms they're typically doing things in a non sustainable way and also using a lot of the chemicals. Yeah well i need. This is like it back to like the food supply. How do you know why. The masses right You know so you. You have a tendency to figure out ways to obviously grow chun's unfortunately a lot of times they'll use the fertilizers in the pesticides. And things like that yob slowly now. What's the difference like dark roast medium. Roast light roast. How does that work yet. So the rest is like how long you you are. Basically roasting the beans so allied rose so the differences the lighter rose. You're going to have a little bit more caffeine. You're going to have You're going to be able to taste more of the flavors in the environment. Like like for instance are grown around the trees. So you'll have little a gwa as a medium rose is the best of both worlds. You you got new caffeine and you've got You you kinda got more flavor of the environment but also a little bit more. richard darker. Chocolate caramel tasted everybody. Loved offi right then. A dark roast is going to be. You know a little bit lower caffeine could you roasting it longer but you get that rich deep door chocolate caramel taste of coffee So it just depends on what you can drink. You know from my company. I'm like. I'm always rotating him just trying to taste different flavor. Yeah one. Because i just for me. It's like quality control going through everything making sure everything tastes amazing to just like variety right And then and then you can get like espresso is just eight nema darker version okay. No espresso. Typically as more caffeine is correct. Yes that's due to how how it's when you make it your pressurizing it right okay. Pushing it through a smaller amount. So it's like yeah it's extracts. More concentrating visit. Yeah yeah yeah it makes sense. You know kind of like you. I really didn't get into coffee in fact I really only started drinking a recently. My wife was big big coffee fan. And so you know after marrying her in having kids I started drinking it because it smelled so good in the house. So so good. I've got some of that smell. They were the hell. Yeah exactly putting in my car. I'll take some to friends and stuff. Yeah like insulated car does. Smells like coffee like man. This is great right. Yeah i know exactly so now my mom or my wife's got at coffeemaker or she'll make expresso from time to time you know should do all the different types so she like she's more of a coffee connoisseur for me. I'm learning here as i'm going. I'm like what's the difference between these roasts. What's what's an expresso. So this is good. I know the health benefits. But i but not all the specialty types. So it's good stuff. Now what is your favorite type of coffee and let's go through your morning routine like what are you doing. Are obviously your health leader right so So let's talk about like your nutrition what you're doing on a daily basis. Yes sure so. Every morning a us league. When i wake up all drink like either kombucha our grades fowler. That's the first thing i do when i get up right And then i was doing the sixers. Pack modified citrus pectin. Yep for yeah for dettori. Now you more. But i do that than i do either. Greens or Just for row health gut health and then from there. Usually it'd be like eight at like ten o'clock is when i would. I would drink my coffee fast until one coffee. I do what they call a coffee fast. It's coffee i put Collagen in mcat oil it. Yup just you know for that is to energy boosts them for sure aging effects and i actually we created our own engaging creamer which is got. Oh yeah you know we did. A powdered mc t in powdered grasping in yep and we had an epa core. Which is it's like a prebiotic. it's a crime. It's it doesn't change like my adult when a chance like a fiber yet The flavor of the coffee right just this goes perfectly with it Yeah and i. I've been doing that for years. I absolutely love is like my ritual thing. I look forward to most in the morning as well. I get up all like listen to a few bible verses wrangler songs in the morning and then all right three or four things of what. I'm grateful for for the day. Yeah yeah awesome. That's right right way to get going with the day. And i just want to touch on that to actually believe it or not waiting about two hours after you get up to drink. Coffee is actually. You're going to get more of a brain benefit that way because when you wake up in the morning your cortisol typically. It should be if you're if you're healthy it should be at. Its highest writes kind of starts to gradually drop in about two or three hours after you wake up it starts. It's lower in so that's actually a great time to drink coffee to get you kind of that natural boost right at that point and it'll be more sustainable otherwise you're kind of wasted your naturally higher cortisol levels in the morning because you're throwing the coffee on top so i actually always wait about an hour and a half to two hours after i wake up for a drink coffee. I usually drink two glasses of herbal tea. Different types herbal teas. Because i love the warm beverage you know so socially it's not a year. We're doing this in the winter. So the warm beverage so I'm early riser. I wake up typically around six or so and all drink herbal teas in the morning and then from there though have my coffee usually around eight eight thirty or so and Yeah it's great. It's more sustainable. And so it's a great habit to get into and then also yeah adding like some m. c. t. oil in there are great for helping boost up key tones and that will also help you be able to fast longer us. You get the benefits of autophagy fat burning Throughout the morning blood sugar stabilization all the brain benefits. So yeah. I really like That that combo there now. What are you typically eating in your meals. What are your Your lunch dinner. What does that. Tim bike right so i used to do. A ton of kito. Yeah i was really heavy. I was keeping my carbs down to like one time as a twenty five years less than a day. I never did lie on really any lower than that ended up like fifty or less but wife is doing a finished competition and to make things easier i switched. She's doing a more of a macro balanced diet. So i added like rice potatoes and things like that. I still try to avoid gluten as much as poss. You know on the gary. I really get is heavy whipping cream but the rain a practice so really jacket stomach. Yeah and low protein as well as long people react poorly to casing so yeah. Yep so yeah. So that's i prefer that over butter and then yes so like i'm eating like wild. Caught fish Chicken aggressive beef. Like we'll do reis will do you know. Potatoes sweet potatoes Obviously vegetables yes The i mean right now. It's pretty much the same thing we're getting. Your marriage is on that fitness competition. She's being super strict on Yeah we avoid going out with friends during this time. Yeah which is the sad part. But you know she's got a goal now want wanna be able to support on that now. That's great what are your top five favorite foods. That aren't healthy. Net can be healthy or not healthy top. Five favorite will definitely pizza. Yup that's one of our goto Pizza i have a huge sweet tooth man cookies and baked goods. So if i'm eating unhealthy you don't like the fall season when everything pumpkin spice comes out when all the delicious christmas can only and all that. That's that's my window to to splurge right and then at the end. I'm like a campfire. This lead healthy against a so yeah. Ice cream lullabies james. We'll do like a. They have made these amazing kito. I gotta costco. They're like ice cream bars. Made from like you know. I think it's a little coconut milk yet but they are delicious As much as i can all do alternatives like right. Now you know instead of cookies. I'm eating protein cookies right almost as good. A monk brand got among fruit or fruit. Yeah mom through in there. Is this brand called. I think monks rape rookie treaties. Plant based interesting. Yeah yeah but they have a great night oatmeal spice. One in snyder one. That's good Videos so yeah. I mean i. I got a huge sweet to talk about some healthy foods orders. Some your top top healthy foods that you like. Good crest fed stink. Oh yeah. I let it that now. I like. I like scallops a lot. Go to for going out. I'm looking for something that's not too heavy. That's yeah you know somewhat clean on especially when you're on kito gina but right so ryan acer butter Crab legs obviously doesn't like her league And then you know. Because i've eaten so healthy when it comes to like healthy foods i always go back to some simple things like rice. I love cilantro rice ole. When i go to places. If i'm mike healthy foods i'll do a you could do a bullet aaa right. So that's one of one of my go. To's yep sounds good. Sounds good all right. And so what What are some of the the testimonials you guys have heard since launching boost coffee. Like where have you been hearing from your customers. You know what we get all all kinds of people were just say how the the coffee is so snow delicious and like the best coffee of her had get a lot of people come in the sand that it doesn't hurt their stoic. Lot gal or like came. They're always like a can't believe. I can actually drink this another one that i'm starting to see more of his people with interstitial society since nine. Yeah 'cause they've got a void. The acidic foods. Yeah yeah yeah so Had quite a few of them saying. Oh my gosh you know. Coffee is something. I've missed for so long. So they've been diagnosed in. Try yours hoping it was a solution in. Oh my gosh nakisa. Drink it things like that. Those are some of the biggest ones in just people who really care about our health. You know they're like oh goodness you come out at organic coffee that you test for the micro-toxins the pesticides people will ask for the lab results. Were we always give those Does we. I mean there's four hundred plus toxins the test for so they wanna look at him. Yeah go for it out so good guys. If you want to try out life boost. Coffee can just go to their website. Life boost coffee dot com and use the coupon code shockers. My last name at checkout will save you thirty percent so check that out and got again all the different types of rose. He's also got his You guys caught. The -biotics blend grew the -biotics brutal cold brew with the probiotics in their yup. Do you have your creamer on there as well. Yes it just came out okay. Great grades. I can try out his creamer as well. And he said that's the collagen an mcat powder. Yasui use that collagen on what i like to do. Is i like us trademark ingredients as they do show us something all saw you gel which is grasping colleges go on c. t. which is attested. Nc jeep product. This higher can see agency tens yup And then the core is in it and so it's those three then l tryptophan which just helps with Serotonin production actually. I was about to roll off the table to coffee. In general is just so good for your neurotransmitters. Having having the right amount of coffee. Right ken just like anything else. You know. you don't want too much. The right amount of coffee. Though will naturally help boost up serotonin dopamine right and create a good balance but it is probably a good idea because we're so dopamine. We're you know in our society. We're constantly hitting dopamine because we're scrolling on our social media and you know constantly eating and snacking and all those things. All those sorts of stimulus really jack. Up our dopamine levels and create level of dopamine resistance and they can also reduce the amount of serotonin that you're you're producing probably good idea. More people need a little bit of five. Atp in their system. I see that when when we run things like organic acid tests actually see lower levels of five h. i. a. which is a Breakdown product of trip to fan five. Hdtv so we'll see. Oftentimes it's very low so that was actually good ad in there. I think people are gonna that adding that in the adding the creamer in there now guys also if you wanna check out my blog article five strategies to get more benefits from your coffee in that article actually go through my top hacks for how to get even more benefits out of your coffee so check that out as well and again. If you're a coffee fan you're looking for or you just want to try the life boost definitely check it out. Life boost coffee dot com and use the coupon code jockeys at checkout. It'll save thirty percent there. So charles has been a great interview any last words of inspiration here for audience. Here's one health will give you. Yeah in this came from had customer right in and it caused me to research and we know that caffeine is a diuretic right. Yep so one thing that you do not want to do is take water soluble. vitamins With your coffee right. You don't make sense. So you're you're you're be vitamins. Those type of things than a wire. Water soluble take those later in the day of the coffee. That makes that makes sense. You know. I actually my team and i. We did a lot of research on coffee when we wrote this article because i always assumed coffee was a diuretic and actually still caution people about it but there was actually a study that was done And this was plus one journal two thousand fourteen and they took fifty men who consumed four cups Two hundred millions of coffee per day or water for three days so one group drank four cups of coffee to other group. Drank just water now as a short study. Three days But what they they. They control their physical activity. They're fu their food their fluid to try to make it as controlled as possible to see if it was coffee. That would cause any sort of loss of water. There were no changes in body. Mass twenty four hour urine volume was the same urinary. Hydration markers were the same so an end to blood. Hydration markers were all the same really yep so their conclusion was coffee when consumed in moderation to me. Four cups. seems like a lot. What they said was that's moderation. I guess for the average coffee drinker might be provide similar hydrating qualities of water while coffee may not be a strong diuretic is what i caution people. I would highly recommend hydrating well with pure water around your coffee and take for optimal health and performance. I actually go through that study in my article there. How to how to get five benefits and i also like People just add like a little bit of salt. Send you know because a lot of times when you are losing water you can also lose electrolytes as well and most people if they're on a lower carb diet you tend to you you know higher insulin levels cause you to retain sodium to drop like if you're intermittent fasting or on a low carb diet you actually create more sodium so actually getting a little bit of the salts in there. Just a pinch. can be very beneficial and You might feel better my better energy that way to pinch of salt antibiotics other. Yeah yeah exactly there. You go up. And that's that's an angel trick. A little bit of salt and water in the morning actually gives you extra energy right so it's really good stuff will thanks so much. Charles has been an excellent interview and You know my audience loves coffee. So dislike americans. I think they got a lot of value out of this again. You know every everything in the notes and checkout life boost coffee use that coupon code shockers at checkout save thirty percent and charles. Thanks again for your time and guys will see future podcasts. We bless everybody will. That's all for this show. And i want to thank you again for spending valuable time today and if there was something you heard in this interview that you have questions on. Or you want to dive into the earth than dr talkers. Dot com is the best place. If you enjoyed this episode please consider taking just a quick moment giving us a great review. Your us help us influence more people and transfer more lives and if you took something valuable away from this episode employees share. 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Killing Mold & Mycotoxins For Good, The Craziest IVs You Can Get For Energy, Fixing Knees & Back Without Surgery & Much More With Dr. Matt Cook

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:18:45 hr | 1 year ago

Killing Mold & Mycotoxins For Good, The Craziest IVs You Can Get For Energy, Fixing Knees & Back Without Surgery & Much More With Dr. Matt Cook

"On this episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast so by running it through a filter and opening at the same time I get all the benefits the ozone plus the filtration plus the detox. We're going to have a radical moment for the next twenty or thirty years of putting together better and better solutions where we can start to heal fashion chains and basically turn on parts of the body and get working that is GonNa solved so much pain help performance nutrition longevity ancestral living biohacking lacking and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show harassed. Life is pretty firkin good because I got a chance to sit down for the fourth time with one of my favorite docs on the face of the planet. This guy is a wizard he he literally fixes in in one day things like knees and low back issues issues can knock out mold and micro-toxins and lime he works with me with my wife is fourth time on the show Dr Matthew Cook and as usual it will be a pleasure for you. 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I don't know I'm tempted to have something green or Greenfield at the beginning getting because I'm obviously the bandleader the band frontman you're kind of the backup guitarist man that's all maybe but we could also put your name first and have like like cooking with Greens. Ha The green green because I'm the green so that we don't know you don't know who the leader is you don't know and and for those of you listening in Matt and I are actually going to be a on a super secret project on recording an album in Los Angeles next month so soon you won't be able to turn on the radio without hearing Dr Cook and seeing Rollicking Country Music Zik songs which actually have been blasting and all the treatment rooms of been in with Dr Cook thus far during this this two day for a bio reset medical so if you guys aren't familiar with Dr Cook so I've already interviewed him. I'm just GonNa Start Calling you matt because the way we talk to each other and I feel really weird telling when you Dr Cook Yeah. It's pretty awkward. Dr Cook Matt was on the episode called immortal cells biohacking painkilling painkilling lime stem cell confusion how ketamine works and much more it was so good and so popular with you guys that we then followed up when Matt came up to my house us and recorded an episode called what you don't know about CDN THC fixing lime disease the full body blood change reboot peptides one. Oh One hyperthermia and much more now. You need to go back and listen to those episodes at some point. You don't need to know what we're GONNA. Talk about today's show but I'm only all my previous episodes with math and you can dive into those if you go to Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook Three because the third time he's been on the show so ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook the number three is where you can access the show notes and if you hear us kind of fumbling around is we're recording here. It's because Matt does all sorts of crazy never before seen never heard of intravenous treatments at his office and he might be hooking one up to me here while we are recording and speaking of country music. I walked into one of your treatment rooms this morning after we threw down a crazy workout which I kick your ask. The Gym worked out in the old man machines and I was I was at the Kettle Bell. I wasn't really kind of embarrassed for the band just for my poor showing I have to the front man the band make sure that that might python arms are are all prepared so I was doing Jacob's ladder and Turkish kettlebells get ups well. I think you were doing like seeded needed leg addict or was it was possessing yeah. They did get a good workout. Your inner thighs are going to be super tone super town so I walked walked into that room. You're playing country. Music has galloped up to this crazy machine and I've talked about ten pass ozone. I recently interviewed Dr Avi Herskowitz and we talked talked about ozone treatment and and how that works on the blood but you're doing something next level here. Can you tell me what that was with machine was you had her hooked up to and why somebody would do something like that yeah so that's dialysis and I've been doing high dose ozone in one farmer and other including the ten pass for years and years and years and what happens with that just to reference since you mentioned is is that there was a machine that creates a vacuum and and sucks blood up into a basically an egg device and then this machine mixes ozone with that blood and then the blood goes back in that's called one pass so then the idea is if you did that two times that would be to passes. There's an each time about two hundred sees blood goes out and then gets ozone and then goes back in yeah and I've done that I did the ten pass and I actually actually felt like Superman afterwards with the ten pass ozone that you just described I do that different facility but but you're doing something beyond that now right so if you did that ten times that'd be the ten pass what you saw today is what we do is I take and put an IV in the arm and then I use a pump and pump blood out and then I extended through dialysis filter so when we send it through dialysis filter it filters out toxins it filters out proteins and it filters out antibodies ladies and then we apply ozone to the dialysis filter the whole time and then we apply suction and so what happens in this technique is is is that proteins sorta come out and you saw that that foam at the bottom yeah and so then that's the little bucket kit underneath federal world the plasma proteins were collected creates a little plasma separation and it pulls off proteins and because I'm doing it with with filtration what I've noticed is people don't have any flare so you're super healthy and I give you the you got. The ten passed up an obvious and he felt like a million bucks however you're doing everything right and you don't have almost any toxicity in your body if you take somebody with lime disease and you do that straight out of the straight out of the shoot a lot of times people super flare and have her excitement reaction because you're not filtering out anything that you killed old so it goes in and then it all goes right back in and your body has to deal with it so by running it through a filter and eating it at the same time I get all of the benefits of the ozone plus the filtration plus the detox so you're telling me that this can have an effect on cholesterol to which I think is really really interesting in an era of statins right now. Being of course go to treatment for cholesterol and a lot of Docs are still prescribing statins it it does it sounds like this might actually make that move point for a lot of people when you pull the blood how you literally see lipids coming through so you literally can see in some people that have real high cholesterol Yossi every two to three centimeters of the tubing. You'll see big packets limpets my pets once it goes through the filter. All of those come out now. I've got a couple different ways because there are filters that are designed just to filter Lipids Tippett's and so that's called Labor for this and we do that but then we also have found that repulsed many lipids out with this technique that that you probably don't really need to do live performances works better. What about the good lipids? What about light like will this impact? HDL Cholesterol. If you do something like that so so you you get interesting because we were talking yesterday about peptides raising. It's the cholesterol what I find is that the as I sorta attract people the the good cholesterol cholesterol's you're still eating high-fat Diet and you're eating a diet with a lot of real healthy fats and so we're constantly replacing those and so if I if I basically deep book about the blood of of cholesterol and lipids then when you fill it up you start you preferentially starting to fill up the good ones especially if you're doing everything right lifestyle right so if I leave here in drenching my salad with extra virgin olive oil and having some fatty cuts of fish and maybe a little bit of coconut oil in my coffee etc.. I'm replacing all EXAC- yeah. How do you feel like you told me you done this yourself? I haven't done it before but how how do you personally feel as a healthy guy doing ozone dialysis I feel better than I've felt like at any point in my life and so and and what I how I talk about all of these things is each of the big techniques has kind out of a profile of it how it affects you and so for example. I did plaza freeze this weekend. So what happens is that has a profile it was on dialysis has a profile ten. Pass has a profile stem cells have a profile killer profile all of the I v.'s have of what they do and the sweet spot is then figuring out what everything does and then knowing when to do what okay and there's a lot of very interesting thing I vs that you're running the I wanna get into but before we talk about. IV's and I think you're even you're hooking me up to some what are what are we doing today. During the PODCAST I I'm going to do our NAVIEN and I'll give you high dose vitamin C. Okay we'll give you some course then some Ivy Co Q. Ten and I always combine cookie Tannin Quercetin Cookie Tannin in eighty together because they're both are conrail enhancer okay and so I'm trying to stack mutliple handrail enhancers. I'm GONNA bring some trimethyl Lycene in which you're gonNA take which we talked about which is super interesting because it makes any deco easier okay which yeah this might be a good point to just get into all of that so you have any D- that you administer here and I've talked about that many times before on the show about how potent amount of conroy enhancer enhancer that is and and how important is for longevity and anti-aging as well just because the steep decline as you age but of course it feels like a punch in the gut when you're getting the I-I've flush reaction etc.. How're you mitigating that with your with your treatment here at the clinic? It was great because I I got the opportunity pretended to talk to John. McCullough remember you introduce me to him. He called you and got my phone number and so and this is kind of like the acceleration of learning and thinking about things so he called me and he was telling me about Niacin and we we started to have all these conversations. It forced me to go back to literature and start reading about Niacin and I found out that when you take Niacin it it it's quite wait interesting. E it creates a to metabolize you get methylated NIACIN products showing up in the body in the she'll show show up in urine and for the listener just to understand what that means when you say methylated Niacin. What does that mean exactly so Kurban in its most simple simple form exists as a method group so you could think of the most simple form of carbon in the body is a methyl group if you take one piece of of carbon and put it on a protein a lot of times that activates and so we say we meth late that that that molecule so for example example if I want to activate vitamin I would methylated okay and so then in the process of breaking down Niacin it seems that there's a lot of methylation relation that goes on in terms of bring it down what I what I begin to think about and if you're taking any it causes a flushing reaction that's very similar to the Niacin and so that made me began to wonder? We don't have a lot of evidence on this. I'm going to try to figure this out in more scientific detail but the flushing that you get from taking in a D is very similar to the flushing that you get when you take Niacin and so I began to wonder I wonder if I gave methyl donors if that would make it easier to take and it's how I and I basically just went and looked up the methyl cycle and truth license there and that's definitely the methyl donor that's the easiest to take with the least amount aside and trimethyl gliding you can just drink that like orally right. It's drinking yeah at the same time that you're getting the NASD IV yeah and so then what happened is literally overnight. I just started giving people that ad and everybody in my clinic said any D. is twice as easy to take now as it used to be you don't think that would interfere at the cellular uptake of the NASD having having methylated athlete glancing at the same time my my census is is that it goes in easier and people feel better and they have the more profound effect yeah I did this yesterday after having done many NFC IV's and if anything I felt a greater uptick of energy you on and I've been I've been go go go all weak relative you know I'm sleeping about six and a half hours a night compared to my normal eight hours just because of the load on my plate right now now and I did that we went out to dinner we were out until ten thirty. PM or so and you know I I normally just would have been exhausted at that point and and my energy levels are through the roof uh-huh yeah okay so you co- administer the NASD with trimethyl glide scene and then you're also implementing other Michael Conroy enhancers light coq ten and carseat and at the same time yeah and then and I think of the Dick Kerr car seats and more as as anti-inflammatory my hands are admitted may have a little bit of a Medicare benefit and then interesting some people the the name of the game is then trying to track and see what people can take and within like so for example if you can tolerate taking Sammy which is another are part of the methyl cycle if you take I I've never taken cocaine but when I if I takes if I take two to three Sammy's this Zami being ESA dino maddening and you're taking that orally or only when you're doing the idea twice effective. Wow Yeah so I do that. I do that quite a bit now where my mind is going. Is You know a lot of an a d supplements along with an supplements are now becoming widely widely available not as potent as the I v.'s but still a source for people who might not be able to do or Ford Ivey Administration. Patches are another thing uh-huh quite common could someone theoretically at home taken any D- capsule or an r. m. n. and simultaneously just from Amazon or wherever else by Sammy by trimethyl glycemic supplement with those at the same time they take their their energy to kind of hack the same effect at home right so yes you know it was interesting because I got to listen listen to McCall interviewed sinclair and completely independent from me. I kind of figured out this Trial Creek lycene thing turns out he he in this podcast mentions. I think it's coming out in the next week or two that when he have I've already heard I got. I got the pre release version Asia Yeah Same Ellen when when he takes big doses of his products he takes the t. m. g. as well and so there's something going going on there that I think is very synergistic and smart. People are thinking about it so I'm super super interested and beginning to understand this this physiology more do you just just in case people are wanted to shop around for this. have any brands that you like for Sammy or trimethyl lysine or you just getting some physicians. It's super secret special pretty much yeah okay all right and and and I it's embarrassing. I'm not even I'm just going to whole foods and buying it. Yeah okay well. If you're if you're listening in because I love to crowd source knowledge on this podcast and you have a really good source of Sammy trimethyl Lycene that you use that you vetted go to Ben Greenfield thinnest dot com slash Matt Cook Three and just leaving no over there go to the go grab a bottle the team we have great and as a powder form and it makes perfect with water okay. That's fascinating that that's going to be very cool for a lot of people now. Another thing that I found I'm very interesting was how you're tackling mold and micro-toxins with a nebulizer and he had me try this out yesterday. How are you using a nebulizer for this a- actually matt I I totally forgot before get into the mold and Michael Toxins and how using the nebulizer the nebulizer before we leave the bandwagon behind subcutaneous yes in a d like a subcutaneous injection we also did that yesterday? I just remembered can can you fill folks in on that and why you do that so the subcutaneous eighty I you think might have more of a cognitive effect than any of the other. IV's when you put the I v n then the faster than goes the more flushing there s and the slower that comes the less flushing there is so we're able to tolerate titrate that in over somewhere between one and six or seven hours if I give you subcu- to give you a dose and it gets immediately absorbed and there's a curve of absorption and basically and so what I get as and so yesterday what I did I injected two hundred milligrams for you seventy two and then that absorbs over for forty five to fifty minutes and just so so those of you who might not know what that means that's actually under the skin so rather than IV administration or intramuscular or anything like that or oral administration. That's just like almost like an insulin syringe containing and I injected a suitcase and basically means in the fat which you don't have very much these days so I'm working on on that for the band oh good good I mean working on keeping it off for the band frontman show for the CD cover you want to tell them about the a ah the ones either and I'm going to wear no. I don't want to disturb our listeners so subcutaneous. NASD would be something you could use if you're really going after the cognitive effects that head ahead clearing effect that can give you and then a dose of anywhere between one hundred and five or six or seven hundred milligrams of therapeutic dose the more you begin to hack everything else the last of the that you need and so you can get almost all of the benefit that you would get from five number six hour. IV from humane subcutaneous injection well so I have people all over the world that I mail stuff Q. Injections and so if someone one has like the powdered vials of any you could just basically reconstitute that or like star water check subcutaneous. NASD's incredibly hard to buffer and so I have compounding pharmacy buffer for me and and and it works a million times better so I wouldn't I wouldn't and try to reconstitute it at home and deal because it doesn't work very well as okay. There's probably like zero point zero zero. One percent of our listeners would think about doing that anyways or who have much in a D- hundred files in their in their freezer so there there are people go there. Are there's a lot of Dr Listening to those who are going to like this kind of stuff so okay. Let's move onto mold and mycotoxin. That's something that you're well known for treating along with lime and treating very successfully and you're using a nebulizer process for this. Can you describe so the the conversation about mall. This mall usually lives in a biofilm either in the nose us or the intestine so when I'm kind of working somebody up and I'm talking to him. I try to get a sense of like. Do you have any sinus problems or green nasal issues as everything perfect so like a new patient yesterday and they're like I've been having sinus problems full-time for the last twenty years some common notices perfect now a common bacteria that is called. There's a bacteria called Mark owns the that can okay can colonize the nose and when that bacteria colonize the knows it will secrete and other ones can call an ice knows as well and they start to secrete a biofilm and denoted by famous I do but can you describe in your words to listeners so have have you ever seen at the edge of a pond you see that almost gelatinous mucus sort of layer that's like right there at the edge of the pond right my bathtub sometimes exactly so that's aspect and fungi and mold and when they've live together they secrete this the this mutinous mixture mixture. That's a place for them to live and then they live in there they get some protection from the environment and then that's where everything happens from a microbial perspective like out in nature if they start to call an is you either on your intestine or in your nose then what can happen is that they secrete that and now you have a bio phone in your nose that is mutinous gelatinous mixture mixture where where they're living and it provides them them some cover where they can just love and live for a long time now now if someone suspected that they had been exposed to Moulder mycotoxin on my have a biofilm like that. Is there some kind of a nasal swab test or something like that could is this something someone could order to their home or does a physician position to do this test we do that test but but you could ask any physician to sign up with a company and then they just order it and what's the name of that test to know. It's just it's just like we have like one hundred in the back and say I just ask them to order the test. Okay surname about okay okay so so you you have this biofilm in the nose and it's mold and it's releasing these mycotoxin okay so then this is this is tricky in all likelihood there was a biopharm and it just happened to be there and often in in the intestines Heston's. There's also a biofilm. Maybe somebody had a little bit of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Maybe they had some parasites and so there's a biofilm there there and it's just happens to be this environment where these microbes are living then a person goes in and then they get into a house or they get exposed somehow to mold and they breathe in that mold and that mold comes in and then enters that biofilm now once he gets in there. That's like a fantastic place for that Malta live and so then they just set up house and the way that mold works. Have you ever seen a piece of bread. I was telling you about this yesterday where there's the green of the mold and then all around. There's nothing there yeah I usually just picked a little greenspan inspect often eat the bread I love that so then that penicillins like maybe one of the most famous molds and so then what that green is is doing is it secretes little Tan tiny nanoparticles called micro-toxins so mycotoxin is not the mold the mycotoxin Foxton is a toxin that the mold secretes because it's kind of a gangster and it's trying to kill everybody else in that Biofilm so it comes in it lives in in there and starts to secrete that that talks on the problem is that the mycotoxin is getting secreted into the biofilm in the biofilm is literally right next to all the blood vessels either in your nose or your intestine so now that Mike Toxin gets into your bloodstream right and Mica toxins are neuro-toxins axons and then they fatigue and then I do a blood test and I looked to see if people have antibodies to mall toxins right because the body sees toxin is basically a neurotoxin in the body is trying to react to it and it doesn't have a lot of good ways to deal with it starts to make antibodies but now your immune system is fading thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of mole toxins that are floating around your body and causes an incredible amount of immune dysregulation now how we find out if somebody has mold is if they have chronic illness then by definition I have to work it up so I have a cup and then send it off to see if there's Mica Toxins in that cup and so that's part one then I checked to see if they have antibodies to Michael Toxins and then if that's the case then I have them do a little digging mhm around in their house and make sure that that house doesn't have a whole bunch of mold that they're breathing in on a regular basis but which they could have a professional like they they could get a is an army analysis yeah like if you go to surviving mold dot com you can read up on those type of home analyses and then there's there's professionals beyond that that come in and help you work up same website could help you find those people to write but so now imagine the immune system's floating around in the bloodstream trim trying to fight these these millions of product Nanno toxins that are floating around and so the key to getting rid of them is eliminating mandating that biofilm eliminating where the mold is living and so that's improving nasal health and improving gut health okay so then on the nasal front what I found out as you can nebulizers see minerals and you can also nebulous glued thion and I combine C minerals and Kim Thanh on and Glutathione seem minerals keen Thanh and glutathione and nebulous means people play this mask over their face. I did this yesterday. Breathe breathe all of that in through their nose and those three things put together. We'll kill the mold that will start to kill the phone because it starts right up the BIOFILM and once I started dry that up and improve the health of the nasal mucus Sir then the biofilm goes away in the biofilm is aware than the mall does living okay so then the name of the game. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. What's going on the nose and then he'll and make it so there's there's no place for that multi level because if I said where are ninety percent of the MICA toxins in somebody's body coming coming in from it's probably in a biofilm one of those two locations okay so you sued nebulizers and I assume there's something in the minerals that would that'd be breaking down the BIOFILM? This is working. I think so and you know you you were telling me about how you're doing. The salt breathing in the sauna yeah yeah it's called Halo therapy and clear lights on nestling on their website these microcrystalline salt units that you mount on the wall of the Sauna Wanna I just added one of these two my sauna and you put a little packet of salt into a tube that sits on this halo therapy device and then a small metal metal bead and when you flip it on the metal bead circulates very rapidly within the tube breaks up all these salt crystals and releases microcrystalline salt particles into the air. You're breathing salt the whole time you're in the sauna. It's called Halo therapy yeah so I think that it's something similar to that and that that as you start to break up and dry up those biofilms and then they go away. It's not my total protocol. The first step in what I can tell you is the next step a lot of times people will give like different types of silver colloidal silver an antibiotic sprays which are the traditional naturopathic mainstays of treating this. That's what I found is. If I get you to do the include without minerals and then also a lot of times what I'll do is I'll do the amniotic fluid we'd like you never realized afterwards and I start to heal in detox and get rid of that bowel film if I still have to do the antibiotics in the solver over people have way less side effects than it's way easier for them so they nebulizer antibiotics and the silver two or there's taking those those are just nasal sprays okay uh all right got it and then the amniotic fluid that you're nebulizer. It's literally like human amniotic fluid and what's that doing. That's what's repairing the Biofilm then with that's that's just improving the health. There's so there's all kinds of growth factors and it's extremely anti-inflammatory okay and so I'm not looking at that as being biofilm buster about I'm looking at that as just improving the overall health of an area. If I improve the health and the functioning of the the nasal mucosal then that makes you more likely to be able to get rid of all the problems and then this this basically an infection that somewhat opportunistic that really shouldn't be there unless something else is going wrong. What do you do about the biofilm on the gut? So then the the bathroom is is like the holy grail of functional medicine because if you can he all the all all of your immune systems there and once you start to fix that everything else it kind of goes away so part one is I do a test brashly have parasitology look and he actually does a study under microscope to see if there are parasites. It's he looks to see if there's cyst or any form of the parasite. I also do a CBO see breath test okay to look for bacterial overgrowth. I do a lot of talking to kind of get a sense of what symptoms people have and and so before I develop a plan it it relates to is this phone. Call is this bacterial is this mold is that or or is that is that all of them and so then in in general the first thing that I do is put people on Spore based probiotics and and so and I'll start with sports probiotic and then I'll two to four weeks and I'll I'll add a support base bacillus all all interspersed that with some regular probiotics and so then I'm building up their microbial health then eventually once they're stable with that all start to very carefully puddings and prebiotics that were studied to work with this poor best probiotic that we do so on that sense we're building that up in terms of breaking down the biofilm There's fiber on and there's all kinds of cross linking and so I just events to start to break and clip apart that Biopharm but people take on an empty stomach right and so because otherwise they'd be working on the food on not on the stomach right and so I'll use baluch in limbo kind nine Baluch censor today's and then I'll I'll start mixing other digestive enzymes based on what people can tolerate but the digestive enzyme. Am Start to clip away and breakdown that bow phone. Sometimes I'll use them. ETA there's a product called interface plus that will key laid laid out any minerals that are part of the Matrix of that biofilm and then I'm left with at a macro level. What's going on and it's this parasite? It's parasite than what I do. Is I put people on a dropper of an anti parasitic that they're gonNA take for like six or eight months because this parasites are coming out and then they're going back into hiding phase and coming out if I have you on a long-term regular program then then when they come out every day you're taking it so it's kind of like dollar cost averaging for parasites and so then every day you're you're you're treating them if if they have CBO then I get them to change their diet and get them to eliminate shirker and then and there's a couple of diets that are incredibly helpful. If people have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth like elemental diet yeah there's the specific carbohydrate hydrate Diet Diet and onboard them to that. I say it is this is going to be easy and but we're not gonNA to do this forever. We're GONNA do this for six months and for some people they can handle it very well. Then what I'll do is all have them follow the Diet Eighty or ninety ninety percent and because we're doing all these other things they can get away with not being completely. OCD on that Diet okay now then in parallel to that if they have parasites I've got these herbal parasitic drinks yeah you send some of those when I had Giardi at what exactly are those so what they are is. They're they're different herbal concoctions and so there's Candida there's bacteria. There's there's there's another two different types of Protozoan and medicine parasites and so there are herbs that that are designed to take care of each one so you've got a Protozoan so I gave you that now for noticed. You're basically like totally Italy in charge of everything and your diet and your lifestyle and all of that is going perfect. Obviously kicking your ass on the gym this morning. That's an but you know what off I'm so happy. Being the second best athletes are banned but even if your brother joins and I'm the third best athletes late. I'm still Lebron's says I'm on the podium yeah so so for you. I just gave you the juice and four if somebody has a lot of issues what I'll do is I'll onboard them and start on the Diet. I'll start them taking digestive enzymes. I'm GONNA give them products. I'm going to give them a biofilm mm busters right and then I'll give them that anti-parasitic dropper. They're gonNA take for a relatively long time yeah and then once they're stable all and they're tolerating that and they're not hurting and everything is okay. Then as the surge I give them these herbal plant juices that that I think probably Halfa and bustling and then they have an herbal effect of actually going after and then a lot of times what I'll do an top of that I'll add in bourbon or some other herbal Lanta microbials yeah and then like some of the if somebody takes the doctor's data test if there's bacteria they actually test test sensitivity and so it'll show oh you whether the bacteria sensitive to Versi over there was sensitive differing and so then I use all of that day that's a stool panel Lepanto and we do a lot of testing with doctors in other companies to to identify what we're facing so that we can go in and treat and what I'll tell you is that if you look at all people that have complex problems complex mauled complex lime complex all sort of major issues where people are really struggling ninety percent of the time they had ad if you walk through their history they had a fairly big gastrointestinal situation and they had leaky got find out that they had leaky gut for two or three years a lot of inflammation and problems potentially visceral out of Positi and probably multiple different infections. Maybe a little bit of mall maybe a little bacterial overgrowth. Maybe handed I maybe all of them. Maybe parasites that causes a ton of immune dysregulation and then it's when they get bit by a tick and they get lime disease on top of immune dysregulation. We're nobody's doing their job. That's why people get really sick so if you can build a program where you start to heal the gut even though we do all of these crazy as you sexy IV's and advanced injections and stem cells and things like that I spend half my time healing the gut and doing these sort of foundational simple things because if you don't fix those things you can't get people better hey on interrupt today's show to give you a little hoop not related to the topic of today showed a different different kind of whoop whoop is the self quantification tool that's changing a lot of people track their fitness and optimize their training including a bunch of pro teams in the NBA The nfl the NHL. 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I believe it was the main thing I actually she also had a mould count positive that we thought was from the Goat Barn and I'm blown away by by the comprehensiveness so the approach. I think that's the main thing people need to realize you can't just take bear brain. You can't just take some BIOFILM disruptor. You can't just drink the anti parasitic juice this stuff needs to actually be all systematically programmed right and so then like in her case she's kind of started nebulizers and so if there was a biofilm there that was a minor biofilm that somebody wouldn't have been bothered by if they didn't get exposed to mold than than but we're going to eliminate that and there's no a place for them all to love we eliminated in the gut and then she's GonNa do the juicers and the droppers and do that whole thing the other thing thing to to think about is that if people have antibodies to mold and people have a lot of Mak- toxins in their in their urine after I start to do all of this stuff and breaking the biofilms and another thing I didn't mention but is taking binder earth earth and so I'm a huge fan of Chris Shade and everything looks over scientific. Yeah we took some of that last night. It sounds like babies amazing. We did six rays rays of light Baku which is like his Gaba inhibitory neurotransmitter six praise of their melatonin which is like the most powerful militant overused and then six sprays of their hemp Colorado hemp and you're just like all their life is similar formula are good. It was amazing so I'll put people on his binders yeah and then he uses this technique where he takes them. Bidders which Kinda squeezes the gallbladder and push his any toxins out of the gallbladder liver into into the intestine and then about half hour later you can take one of his binders and there are different binders for different problems so there are some binders that are better for binding onto mold old and then there's some binders that are his eye. MD Intestinal Metal Detox has that are better for binding onto metals and so then now certainly to to to talk about it that way and then once I've got somebody on a real estate program if I don't one hundred percent fix things with it was on dialysis and plasma freezes and what I found by the way as plasma free assists and it was in Dallas really lower mold levels load imagine because as you mentioned some of those micro-toxins can get into the bloods if using on dialysis and you're going after the nasal cavity and the gut already then you're also addressing addressing issue with the blood and then sometimes even with that I will put somebody on Sporran Arcs which is an Antifungal try to systemically kill all the mold and just as highlight kind of to remember this there is clinically is almost a look that people I'll have that you can that looks like they have mauled a friend of mine's natural path and walk into my clinic and she looked at this person and goes out they look like they have mold and it was his patient of mine has Parkinson's and a lot of people with neuro degenerative problems that we see Parkinson's concerns Alzheimer's also have mold and so then why do you think that is because if they have about Alpha in the nose as right next to the brain in or if they have their systemically. I have a guy who I have saw. VIP person who had just been consulting over the phone because he's a friend of mine and trump isn't out yet I wish so but he had a candida in every bodily fluid was checked. Wow so then imagine you have some immune dysregulation and this is the story I think for like two hundred things we could go through it and it's GonNa be the same story which is leaky Gut Visceral Outta Positi inflammation all all the sudden undigested food getting into the bloodstream and the immune system's paying attention to that is paying attention to more is being released by biofilms and so it's not effectively doing his job and then because of that people can start to actually have some of these infections happen into their brain so people can have borelli ah which is the bacteria that causes lime or mold or bowl living up into the brain and and and so for example sampled some people that show up here that that had abscesses in their brain and so then what we're trying to do is fully detox on eliminate all of those stealth infections because stealth infections are underlying gigantic amount of problems both cardiovascular they're logic immunologic and they can be very big factors in terms of all immune diseases as well then so so then now you start to have a rational thoughtful approach to thinking about all these problems where I just going to look look and figure out well. Let's just work up and see if you have any of these things if you have then we can talk about a lot of different strategies to treat them but it's critical to treat it. Okay got it now. I know we just went through a ton you guys and so far everything we talked about all put links to at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook Three but I want to. I want to change direction a little bit and talk about regenerative medicine enjoins for example yesterday treated my knee with a very cool protocol that incorporated ozone exa soames in something called nerve hydro dissection which I think if more people knew about this there will be far fewer unnecessary surgeries being performed for orthopedic issues. can you describe exactly what you did for example in my case to my knee so so I think I think joints in terms of five compartments so there's the nerves and you can even say nerves arteries veins on them fats then there's the Fasha then there's the ligaments and tendons that are going to cross then there's the joint and the joint capsule APPs on the synovium and then there's the subcontractor space which is the the basically where the bone marrow is on either side of the joint stuff you look at a join. There's what's the joint inbetween to bounds. There's marrow of each bone and then everything surrounding it and then on top of that is is the systemically how inflamed you are and if you call Fasha its own thing than it would be six. If if you don't call fascism call that the same with nerves and arteries so that's five so then what I do is do an assessment so I look with an ultrasound at the nerve and I touch it and pal paid at I track at a look to see if there's dilated fast calls because a nervous like a water hose that's carrying neurotransmitters transmitters out and and what would be a dilated facile for people who are selling a nerve is basically like electrical wire and so so a federal nerve you think of that as one nerve but that's actually hundreds and hundreds of fast calls that are going out and and each facet call is like a little tiny nerve and the nerve is made up of a whole bunch of those wrapped together inside basically a sheet and so what I do is I looked to see if people have nerve nerve pain then what I do is I and that nerve pin me because they're just super inflamed so for example if somebody had chemotherapy and they all have peripheral neuropathy people cannot perfectly healthy for all kinds the problems but or people could just have impingement so for example carpal tunnel is impingement of a nerve if somebody has nerve pain for any reason then what what I do is I use an ultrasound and I take a needle and I put the needle in the Fasha in between the muscles were the nervous and then I injected and I surround that nerve fluid and my whole life was doing nerve blocks for fifteen years as an anesthesiologist just put put local anesthetic nerve and put it to sleep and then set somebody up and do a shoulder surgery wideawake yeah so that was kind of like my my life and then I found out that if you put X. oems around nerve or placental matrix then it will start to calm down and he'll peripheral neuropathy all kinds of peripheral nerve pain nerve impingement and and and so then I that that's what that's basically started my career and so then then we look at the nerve we look at the ligaments and tendons and we look at the joint and so in your case I did some nerve hyder dissection because you had a branch of Agnes and operator nerve that we're in some pain and so I put placetas matrix around each of those nerves and and then I your your joint had fluid in it and so what happens is the joint lining is kind of making Ben. I needs a little more. WD Forty because his knee was inflammatory and so then what I'll do is stick the needle and I'll put something regenerative living there. There's a lot of fluid I'll pull that fluid out and love Aaj with Elaine and I probably would have done that normally but we were trying to do forty five things and like two hours so then after Lavazza it out I will put in something that will stay there and because I'm really are you trying to calm down the knee and stop it from making so much fluid. I put him placental Matrix because it tends to stay there for a couple of months. What is placental Matrix works? Basically what happens is you take placenta and all of the growth factors that go to a baby there and they basically put it in a blender and grinded up up and make it into a flow ball state and then the game are radiant so there's no stem cells in there. There's nothing living there's no living. DNA But there's there's an enormous amount of Collagen and a lot of growth factors and that college is the scaffold okay and then the placenta is by itself is Super Anti Hi inflammatory and seems to have anti infectious components so if your knee was dry and didn't seem like there was not much going on in the joint I might have just put I probably would just sums it however they had put some maxims and your recently and it was still hurting so I said I'm an apostle matrix center and I put a ton in there and then I also had decided that the nerve some people will come. They'll have a super inflamed knee. Laments and tendons are led up the sometimes ligaments tendons have laxity and so they're loose so the joints unstable nap nerve pain so so I'll treat the ligaments and tendons all-star to stabilize that I'll treat the joint and then some people have an incredible amount of marijuana Dima and so then we'll take either stem cells or excess oems or a placental Matrix and actually stick into the bone marrow and start to treat that and calm that down and so that's not in the join that's in the bone that a lot of times your he'll that and that'll make the pain Komet now you are a big fan of using imaging for these procedures and I've been to a lot of doctors and you know just because I kind of do this immersive journalism thing and and I go into a lot of clinics and in many of them do protocols and some of them will do injections of stem cells or access homes or other Pirlo zone type of treatments in the absence of imaging but every room I've walked into where you've been working with patients hear you you always have this ultrasound imaging hooked up and the screen that shows and by by the way for those of you who want to see this I did a whole like two hour long instagram story yesterday at Matt's Office and I'm GonNa put a link to that in the in the show no not for you and you can see if you if you watch that instagram story what this digital imaging looks like you can literally see the outline at the needle as is going into Oh my knee but why do you. Why do you do the imaging when so many docs don't feel a need for that so the my mentor an hydrogen section as Tom Clarke he's amazing he? He walked in here this morning. Oh that guy was Tom Clarke. Okay Gotcha so he told me he said you've evolved into your clinic as a dilemma clinic and so the average person that comes here has been at five or ten doctors already. I see see a lot of people who went to get a nerve treatment from somebody who got did the line injection on a nerve that was mildly bad and and then because they weren't using imaging they suck the needle right into the nerve and so I've got a whole bunch of people that I've fixed but who had chronic nerve pain from a treatment like that I take when I don't know if you remember like you know I want you got to watch that treatment that I did for that guy yesterday with his or is it was his his his elbow his hand and so then I'm I was like Noah meters away from his owner nerve but I never touched it so I'm able to see where that needle is and so then I actually go in and this is I learned this as an anesthesiologist I I'm in the fashion plane but I'm never touching the nerve and so I'm able to create a halo regenerator fluid around that nerve I can do that around attendant and then I can literally take my needle and then guided into a joint and then I'm one hundred percent sure that like in your case if I put eight thousand dollars worth the product into a joint I WANNA be super sure that I got that in and I wasn't just like in your quadriceps muscle right and so the and what I tell people is this is kind of an evolving space so other people are doing some cells and stuff like that the within the next ex couple years the absolute standard of cares that there's essentially no injection that should be done without imaging so when when you're doing this type of treatment treatment you know the the knee the elbow the risk the handle those seem pretty straightforward but do you ever go near the spine because a lot of people will ah these days are getting back surgery and I question sometimes whether that back surgery is completely necessary. Have you had much success with spinal rehabilitation or retreating spine line issues that may be the biggest thing that I do and a friend of mine would they did like some marketing for regenerative medicine into this clinic that that doesn't do spine and eighty percent of the people that call had back problems and so how do you think about that and kind component imagine in your mind the spine so there's the disk and the vertebral bodies in the front and then there's little joints in inspired process and there's a whole bunch of basically ligament complex in the back and then inbetween is the spinal cord so then what happens is if the choice in the back are not doing their job then when force comes through the forest can't even go through those US joints and if it can't go through those joints that creates torque and that Torque goes through the spine and starts to impinge the nerves that are going out the side so my approach is I look and I figure out everything that's going on so I look every for back pain example. I look at every lumbar that I look at the Elliott Lombardo ligaments I like SL joins I look at the transverse process I look at the Quadros Lombardo erector spine allocate every muscle group and then because I'm looking with an ultrasound if a lot of times what will happen as people facade arthritis or arthropathy and then the nerves that go out out by the the facet joints which are called the media and branches will be impinged and because of that that all of the deep spinal muscles muscles are not getting enough nerve electricity input and so then what they do is they go okay fine. I'll put some fat down in there and that's called fat atrophy and that sort of stabilizes is is those muscles because the idea is if you're ligaments and tendons and joints can't do the job than the body just puts it into spasm to try to hold volt create structural integrity and stability so then I build a map and a lot of times people will come in and they'd been intended attend pain and like they're on the end of the schedule for spinal fusion and then I'll make a less than my priorities and from one to ten and then we'll start to go in and Alster auster too and so then I will use postle matrix excess oems appear P P P stem cells and then whilst start to stabilize is all of those things sometimes I'll do a fashion plain block route but fluid inbetween quotas Lombardo Zoe's sometimes Queen Quarter Rados lumbar Laura and I'm treating all of those things a lot of times actually put exorcisms in the girl space and then I'll also put excess homes or Stem Cells Appear Pee into the desk but what I found is as if you do if you do this in a staged approach eighty five five percent of the time I fix everything without having to go into the desk. There's more complications with with that and so what I try to do is I try to do the lowest risk the thing that I know I can do a reproducible way again and again and again expose people least amount of risk as I guide them through sort of the healing process it it seems like a no brainer compared to going straight in for spinal surgery the probability that with that type of approach because you're looking with an ultrasound sound and so I'm looking and I see the needle come down and touch the Faucet uh-huh and then I see the fluid go through the facade capsule so the probability the problem with that type of treatment is super super low now even all of those people. I'm talking and trying to gather what's going on and a lot of those people will for example. Let's say I had somebody with back pain. Let's say they had airless. Dan Lewis Syndrome their more susceptible opt to ligament laxity and all kinds of problems. If I can begin to stabilize was get them better even if they have surgery they're going to do way better so even if people end up having surgery and I think we prevent almost more back surgeries than knee surgeries so you've talked about the the knee so many people have medial knee pain and a lot of that is either pain at the Sir Torius and Chrysalis muscles they rub on each other and branches of this Naff nece and after it or nerve are raped. They're getting kind of chronically impinged even a lot of people who had total knee replacement REC- tons of people total knee replacement who are ten years out on a total knee and they've had pain from day one because that had nerve pain so then what we do is hydro dissect those nerves and calm down a lot of times we can get people with total joints out of pain just from doing nerve hydrogen section and because the orthopedic surgery world hasn't really embrace this but it was it was it was awesome yesterday 'cause I had a conversation with an orthopedic surgeon than Seattle and I explained all this to him and he goes that totally makes sense and it was he's cool guy because heat heated orthopedic surgery at UCSF right before I did anesthesia. UCSF and I told them I said the whole thing's things accelerating and working because five years ago I was trying to tell her with surgeons about this and there was basically one guy in the whole world was like listening to me. He's as a friend of mine that now everybody's kind of opening up to this and so there's going. I believe that we're entering a much more collegial and sharing moment when people are just going to look at it as new medicine and it's not really alternative or naturopathic. It's just like we're all doing. We're on the same team. I'm doing the same thing yeah well speaking of new medicine. This might be a little bit of a curve ball and and we we haven't talked about this at all but you you get around a a lot to a lot of these medical conferences. You're obviously on the cutting edge and digging into a lot of new things. Is there anything that's kind of on the frontier of regenerative medicine or functional medicine that you think is going to be either the next big thing take medicine by storm or that. You're personally pretty excited about that. You haven't had a chance to talk about before we do a ton of PTSD and and the people you mentioned that that they're doing the research search with maps yes. I think that the people are going to do with salt and in terms of treating people offer with PTSD is going to be the next big thing because it's going to people when I was a resident people in medical medical school and they're like don't do PTSD because nobody gets better but now we do it and it's like everybody gets better and so I think that those things paired with things like the taking the unblocking Kademi and are going to be kind of a very major adjunct in that and by the way the Stella gangling blocking Ketamine feels you're listening in we have a whole podcast broadcast about that that I recorded with Matt where we talk about how he can literally reset the vagus nerve deactivate the sympathetic nervous system and use something like ketamine mean to affect amazing chain only for for trauma and Ptsd but just for folks who are stress who are anxious who need to to get into a more relaxed state. We need to increase vehicle nerve tone but now what you're talking about is the prospect of combining those kinds of treatments with something like md or something like suicide than in in in a facilitated format where a doctor like you is actually overseeing that briar protocol right now now then to answer your stalling thing to think of something but now that now that my brands back the on the General Medicine Front worth I'm thinking about what can I do hydrogen action with so what can I put around a nerve or into the Fasha this healing and so then the latest evolution of this is peptides so turns out you can do higher dissection with one five seven right and it's lights out amazing however someone has to be able to tolerate the dose that you give them so so for example BBC one five seven like I gave you ten milligrams. Iv because standards subcutaneous dose that's often recommended a folks like two hundred and fifty micrograms now if I gave you if I gave an average line patient one milligram they would flare so so then what the way that I do it as titrate up extremely slowly and carefully and I'm thinking about people like I'm preparing wearing them for surgery or something like that so I'm judging and building them up once they can tolerate an amount so once they can tolerate a milligram then then you can put one milligram in and around nerve and so and I've had and I have the study where they took and transacted a rat sciatic attic nerve and then they just gave sub Q. Doses at that were really high and the nerve grew back together and so that kind of opened my mind start to think about like okay if people are injecting this sub Q. and they're doing lined injections and nobody has a problem with it then maybe that might be something super interesting interesting to start to put her on nerves. What is we're going to have a radical and exciting waiting moment for the next twenty or thirty years of putting together better and better solutions either with growth factors peptides peptides combinations autologous products where we can start to heal fashionable chains and Connecticut chains and basically turn on electric from an electrical perspective parts of the body and working and that is going to solve so much pain and yeah you were in the opioid epidemic and so we need things so many people have back pain? Were just put on opioids now then if you begin to let's see I'm thinking about it if you all of those people by the way that are on opioids have dramatically low in a D levels because being on chronic opioids lowers your NATO really yeah that's why if you have if were most people who do over the last twenty years have been doing it for opioid and alcohol addiction and so we do these protocols where we'll do a ten day protocol give any day every day. That's where I started with an then I found out if I stacked that with vitamin C in other protocols. I could get to work better than I started to find out that I stack sack with all of these other micronutrients. I got to work better so then imagine this is kind of the complexity where you get somebody who's been on long-term opines. They got no any a you and they've got debilitating pain so then those people have to go in and start to Rehab and he'll it's like a remodeling project. He'll all those assets. Those CONNEC chains get the kinetic chains working and so we're the people the trainers that you're dealing with who are doing high end training like tonight. Yeah I'm giving tonight to to the access personal training group yeah so the the philosophical approach of of what they do for high end athletes that are gonna come and see them is literally exactly actually the same philosophical approach. I have two people who can barely walk down the hall. I'm trying to turn kinetic chains off on you know he'll we are that quote unquote glued Amnesia that all people have and then once you do that then just looking systemically what else is going on and how do I optimize can stabilize all of this. It's fascinating. If someone is listening in the mold mycotoxin or lime. They've got a spine injury. They've they've got a knee injury perhaps even they've got an addiction or PTSD issue. and there are many many other things that you treat should they simply go to the website like go to bow reset medical use use a contact form or something like that Yeah Okay and then when when people do that ten percent ahead of time they'll come. They'll just kind of fly here and stuff but usually what I do is all spend an hour on the phone or half hour on the phone talking to people okay and I'll get a sense of what's going on and I would say probably thirty or thirty to fifty percent of my practice is just people that heard me go on your podcast and what happens is people hurry talking about something I go. I have this problem and I heard you and I think you know how to fix it and so they'll just is kind of Sh- show up like but but a lot of times I'll I can orchestrate for example if somebody has knee pain and it's really bad I might order ordering. MRI for them before they come or staying with the back and so then four labs for said like people could run their mold and mycotoxin labs at home for example and have you would have a lot of that data by the time they show up. I do yeah I do that everyday. Yeah Yeah Okay cool as is very very similar. You know working with a well educated patient. I we know to a certain extent how that feels because I worked with well educated clients like when a client comes to me for my coaching program one of the things that they're required to do we were talking about this at the gym today is they are required to listen to all my podcasts. I'd rather work with a client who already knows everything that I'm delving into everything. I'm educating them. I'm about so then when they ask me questions were taken were doing is taking a deeper dive into some rabbit hole that we didn't get into on a podcast that they've already heard or they're. They're they're paying me and saying Oh ben is should whatever should I go see Matt Cook. Is He right for me in this situation or should I take this supplement. You talked about or by this bio hack so yeah. That's what I like about. This podcast is in. We've we've had this discussion a couple of times you and I have it just helps to educate people so you've got a more informed consumer coming in who just knows a little bit more about their condition and what they need and I think it makes the job for someone like you or someone like me not that much simpler and then like if if I can say something to the people out there is that there's hope like like the so many of these problems that feels like if especially if you hadn't been introduced to sort of like our worldview people don't feel a sense of hopelessness like they're never going to get better and what I tried to to communicate to people that you're GonNa be Great. You're going to heal everything and you're going to be able to heal even if I don't do it. There's there's hope and we're going to find you. Somebody that that that and a lot of people will tell me that I had no sense of hope and then all of a sudden I started to get this idea that I'm going to get better and it as soon as that starts to happen for these big problems then it allows people to come out of fighter flight than the immune system starts to work better they start to feel better make better choices so journey but it's an amazing journey to watch people. Go Down Well Matt. This is the third show that we've done like told those you listening in you. GotTa go listen to the first two as well. You probably know why Matt is one of my favorite physicians sessions. He super well informed super cutting edge. He's also a very nice guy. who has had the had the honor honor of also being my backup in in the Greenhill Cook Band and so so he's got that going for him to ensure medicine then never work out for you matt don't worry you'll always have a place on my band bus nice nice yeah like if so even even Rhody you could be a Rhody and like the backup singer. That'd be a two for one you can feel free to bring your assistant barb here. WHO's sitting with us taking notes and you guys can just come on the road with me? We'll make music and and I don't. I don't know what else you got to be amazing Yeah Yeah but in the meantime folks go to Ben Greenfield finis dot com slash Ashmat Cook Three. That's been grateful fitness dot com slash Matt Cook the number three or you could go to the bio reset medical website bio reset medical dot com Matt's clinic is in San Jose and potentially also up in Seattle soon as well correct yeah exactly and then the GO-TO network Dot Com because we trained physicians to do everything that I told you about the day of docs listening in and they're just drooling at the mouth a lot of this stuff you can teach them. Yeah says bio network DOT COM okay. We'll put that in the show notes as well Matt thank you once again for putting up with me for the third time in a row is awesome. 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When Is Moldy Food Safe to Eat?

BrainStuff

05:31 min | 1 year ago

When Is Moldy Food Safe to Eat?

"At IBM problems inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city traffic to ocean plastic smart loves problems. Ibm I b.. M. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more. Today's episode is brought to you by homeadvisor. Finding the right pros for home. Projects can and be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job. Will I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky faucets. Sits to major remodels homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helped get a fair price. Read reviews check. Project Cost Guides and book appointments. Go go to homeadvisor DOT COM or download the free homeadvisor APP. And Start Your next project to bring stuff production of iheartradio. Hey Brian stuff lauren. bo-bottle here it's happened to all of us that fresh peachy were so excited to eat as suddenly sporting a dime sized growth growth of fuzzy white stuff or your couple slices of Sandwich. Bread have sprouted. A few tiny flecks of green. Is it safe to just off the unappealing area and consume the rest mold on the surface of food usually appears as a green or white area often fuzzy in texture it can be widespread or appear to be isolated on just one section end end while it may look like the growth is on the surface. Mold is a fungus with a structure similar to a plant roots stock and spores the roots often invisible to the naked eye can grow quite deep the stock and spores are what you see on the surface and the spores can go airborne which can cause the mold to spread on the current object or contaminate nate neighboring foods. You've heard the expression. One bad apple spoils the barrel often if mold develops on one piece of food. It quickly spreads to other nearby air by food not alter bad and some are normal and even desirable some cheeses such as Rocca for our speckled characteristic. Blue Green veins achieve this quality. cheesemakers introduce a friendly edible type of mold. During the manufacturing process. The resulting cheeses are perfectly safe to eat uniquely creamy and very popular although admittedly both a funky and acquired taste but other modes can cause problems. Some cause allergic reactions or induced respiratory Tori distress which is why you shouldn't sniff etymology product and some moles produce poisonous substances called micro-toxins which can cause serious illness so so what about that tasty PT. We're looking forward to. Because of its soft texture in high moisture content. It's likely that further invisible contamination exists beyond just the surface. It's safer to send that item to the compost Bin Than risk illness for complete guidelines. On what foods are safe in aren't based on current research it's best to check with your garments food safety education resources. For example the United States Department of Agriculture Food Safety Inspection Service has a great guide at F S I s the USDA Dot Gov. But here's a starter guide on which moldy foods two toss end which to trim because while not all moldy foods are a total loss. Some should be skipped foods that are soft and moist are the most likely to be dangerous because the mold may be growing deeper into the product than it appears so if you see mold on the following toss him lunch meats bacon hotdogs cooked casseroles cooked grains or pasta breads and other baked goods soft fruits and vegetables like cucumbers tomatoes or berries aries jams and jellies peanut butter other legumes beans nuts soft cheeses yogurt and sour cream. Some of these particularly grain based products and certain produce tend to harbor mold that are particularly insidious because as byproducts of living they produce those micro-toxins which are poisonous. They can give you a really bad day. A or even contribute to diseases like cancer while moldy cold cuts lunch meats should be discarded hard Salami and dry cured. Ham are an exception for these items. You can safely scrub the surface. Removing the mold completely for hard cheeses and Hartford's notables cabbage carrots and bell peppers the food can be consumed after you trim away. The mold be sure trim at least an inch that's about two and a half centimeters around the offending area and take care to avoid letting the knife make contact with the mold if it does stop and wash it with hot soap and water to avoid cross contamination. It may be disappointing to toss out whole products. It's always better to err on the side of caution. Today's episode was written by W Swanson and produced by Tyler claim. Brain stuff is production of iheartradio's how stuff works for more in this month of other. Fresh topics is our home. Planet has stuff works dot com and for more podcasts from iheartradio was the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows Today's episode is brought to you by home advisor. Finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job while I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels. homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. REAP reviews check project. Cost Guides and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download the free homeadvisor APP. And Start Your next project.

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Dr. Dale Bredesen pt 1

The Radiant Health Show

25:43 min | 9 months ago

Dr. Dale Bredesen pt 1

"Taste this sprayed. After Singing. Answer though. Right. Back to heart but delivers the Bid. A. Welcome to the radiant health show with Dr Christine Horner your source of information that will help you to achieve extraordinary health and longevity research. Week, we renew a fascinating interview with a leader in natural health from practitioners and ancient systems of medicines such as traditional Chinese medicine. Vita. To experts in the latest frontiers of complementary and alternative medicine. You'll be entertained in mesmerized by making us. We'll learning many tips on how you can reach and enjoy an extraordinary state of health simply, and naturally I'm your host Dr Christine Horner for surgeon, and now an expert in natural health and the author of two award winning books. The first is Waking Warrior Goddess Dr Christine, Horace Program to protect against in fight breast cancer, and my most recent book, which is Radio Health ageless beauty a thirty day program for extrordinary health beauty and longevity. My guest today I'm very excited about as Dr Phil Bredesen's we might have heard of him because he is internationally recognized as an expert in. The, mechanisms of neuro degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's disease He's the author of the New York Times bestselling the end of Alzheimer's He has held faculty positions at University of California San Francisco, Ucla University of California San Diego and has directed a program on aging at the Burnham Institute before coming to the Buck Institute in Nineteen Ninety eight as his at the founding president and CEO. He's currently a professor UCLA and we're GONNA be talking today about his former book and a new book that he just came out with, which is called the end of Alzheimer's programs. So Dr Bredesen's thanks so much for being show today. Thanks for having me Christine. So I'm just curious about talked to many doctors. I just got off the phone with a doctor Joel Khan who talks about reversing coronary artery disease. A, passionate about breast cancer and other diseases, and then I read your book you know with. Alzheimer's, and I'm like we're all we're all singing the same in here. And tell them the same story but I'm really curious about you know your journey and how you? Got Interested in area of medicine that you did and how you You know suddenly decided or maybe it wasn't so sudden but you know realized what you're doing say as far as really helping with prevention and reversal of disease, we probably thought never be reversed. That's a good point. You know I trained as a classical neuroscientist and then. Spent thirty years in the lab I was on the Council for the national the National Institute on Aging I came through a very classical training and I didn't believe in any of these. Novel approaches I you know I didn't believe in anything is vedic or any of these things. So we spent thirty years in the laboratory looking at one question, which is, could we understand the molecular basis of the neurodegenerative process? In in his fundamental enough. That we could begin to fashion the first effective treatments because as you know, this has been the area of greatest biomedical therapeutic failure as they say, everybody knows a cancer survivor no one knows an Alzheimer's survivor, and so we were just trying to understand how does this work and the big surprise to me was that when we actually drilled down on all the details to see a why? Is this and why is Alzheimer's so common and why have we been? So unsuccessful over four hundred failed clinical trials at a cost of billions of dollars. What we found was really interesting that in fact, at the heart, of Alzheimer's disease is a molecular switch says called AP amyloid precursor protein, and this thing is affected by all sorts of things from your hormone levels to your nutrient status. To your growth factor levels to whether you have ongoing inflammation and so when we actually look at the mechanisms, what we found is really very much related to functional medicine and Western call. You Integrative Functional Medicine. These sorts of things really I believe twenty-first-century medicine. It really says that this is not a simple disease, the twentieth century diseases, things like pneumococcal pneumonia you about what it is you make a diagnosis. Prescription. Stunning move onto the next patient twenty-first-century medicine is completely different. It's driven by data is driven by multiple things human physiology is complicated. So you actually have to look at the different things, and so the surprise to me was that the way I had been trained with classical neurology really was not away to treat Alzheimer's. So we started with the first patient back in twenty twelve and we called her patient zero. By the way, she's just talked to a couple of days ago she's doing great. You know eight years into Alzheimer's most people are going to be in a nursing home. She's still working. She's in her mid seventies now and doing absolutely great. We've now treated over five thousand people. With this. We've trained over fifteen hundred physicians and the whole approach is to look at all the different things. You have to look at the inflammatory status as you know, specific pathogens that triggered this pathway specific toxins trigger this pathway with duck in nutrients, hormones, and growth factors. As I mentioned, any sort of vascular compromise all of these things trigger a protective response in your brain, and it's that protective response with the amyloid that has produced that the pathologist refer to as Alzheimer's disease. So it's very, very different disease than anyone thought in the way, I was trained very different than what it's turned out to be. So you're saying like the amyloid plaques, which is a thing that I mean I'm guessing that that was actually Kinda the critical thing in making a diagnosis of Alzheimer's versus other types of dementia, but it's actually kind of a natural process normal process in response to any kinds of you know triggers. Yes so that you have insults your body, this idea that you and your buddies trying to kill you with with Alzheimer's Disease of course makes no sense and so now we understand that your body is responding to specific insults. So at the heart of what we call Alzheimer's disease and this is true for cognitive decline and this is as you know, so incredibly common. Currently, living Americans about forty, five, million of US will die of Alzheimer's if we don't get prevention and treatment for this. So this is a huge and growing problem is a trillion dollar global problem currently, and it is now the third leading cause of death in the United States huge problem. So at the heart of this is this response, your body makes shoot these various insults. So you're amyloid precursor protein functions it sits in your neurons and functions as a molecular switch so that when things are good when you have enough of your trophy factors, etc. then this actually is cut in one way and then get produces two peptides called Sap Alpha and Alpha. One of them is outside the cell the AP L. of the other one sees the inside the cell. And they signal to your brain saying things are good. Go ahead and make and keep new synapses literally. Make and keep new memories and this is would be no different than the president of a country and I made the analogy in the new book you know you're the president of my brain and Stan and so you're saying okay, things are good. I'm going to build new bridges I'm going to make new agreements and so forth and so on and on the other hand when you Have these insults which as you know unfortunately. So many of us do because of the food we ate because of the lifestyles relieved because of lack of sleep because of chronic exposure to pathogens, because of sleep apnea on and on and on their dozens and dozens of these things, your brain recognizes thieves and is now going to be cut at three different sites the same molecule. So now it's Oh Yeah don't grow. You're actually going to retract and you know there's there's a great analogy here in cove nineteen that we're all your with right now with coded nineteen. What happened? There was an insult with this new virus SARS covy too and so we were all told, okay pullback shelter in place. Social distancing we couldn't do the same interactions. We couldn't. We couldn't grow the way we did before and what happened. We now have a recession. This is the same thing that happens in Alzheimer's your brain is recognizing that it is under assault from these various things, and so it is saying, okay, I'm going to produce something that deals with the assault. The amyloid actually is an antimicrobial it has effects against bacteria against Spiro. keats against fungi against viruses. So it is what you are using to protect yourself but in so doing you are also downsizing your network and unfortunately, if you continue the exposed to these things, and of course, when you go to your doctor, your doctor doesn't check the very things that are giving you the cognitive decline. So you continue to expose you continue to downsize ultimately you have severe Alzheimer's disease. So the key here. For us is to get in and identify what the conditions are, what are the things that are driving this you have snapped Oh, plastic is the is the approach where you're now making these synapses snapped classic is where you're pulling back just like with osteoporosis same story, and so now in this case, we're simply increasing all the things that are scenario. Plastic we're reducing all the things that are synoptic classic and we published a actually in twenty eighteen. We published hundred patients with documented improvement and that's been as you know, it's been unheard of nobody in the past has ever shown that you can improve people with Alzheimer's or pre Alzheimer's so these that we published the first ones back in twenty fourteen. And one hundred cases I mentioned and we're now in the middle I should say of these first clinical trial in history in which instead of predetermining treatment and just say, okay, we're GONNA get drug apps we actually for each person who comes in look at a whole list of things that are potential contributors because each person is different and we identify what? The contributors are, and then we target those contributors with a precision medicine sort of approach, and this is why we tell the patients. You know imagine you have a roof over thirty six holes in it. You got lots of things that are contributing to your cognitive decline. A drug is an excellent patch for one whole, but it doesn't patch the thirty five. So you've actually got a look to see what's driving this and then address that. Aren't there like Alzheimer's disease isn't just one disease said aren't there's multiple different types of Alzheimer's. That's a great point and that's something we first published back in Twenty fifteen, and so the idea has always been we don't. We don't understand Alzheimer's at some disease and there's nothing we can do about it. That's been the old fashioned view, and so what we found is after we started looking and doing more extensive metabolic profiling basically and integrated with functional medicine approach looking at what's actually driving the molecular process that's causing the decline. What we started to see is that in. fact, people tend to fall into groups. So there's type one or what we call inflammatory or hot Alzheimer's disease. These are people with high hse AARP's, for example, low albumen Globulin ratios. The often have high Tanf Alpha or I o one Beta things like that. They have inflammatory markers which can be from pathogens they've been exposed to can be from leaky gut that's a common one Ginger Vitus and period on titus or so called leaky gums same idea chronic sinusitis. Metabolic Syndrome with with poor dietary intake, all of these things or any of them can contribute that's type one and these people actually you know once you identify that you identify what's causing the inflammation, it's relatively easy to turn to turn this around and you could include things like you know specialize pro pro resolving mediators and of course, attacking whatever specific pathogens are there on healing the he guts healing chronic sinusitis healing period on titus, and so forth, and so on and these people tend to do very well. Then there's type two which is a trophy and it's it's literally It's almost the opposite of type one. So instead of the problem being that you're chronically inflamed in this case, it's on the other side of the equation. You're simply not giving the appropriate support for this massive neural network I mean you have an amazing computer inside your skull you've got over five, hundred, trillion synapses. It's really remarkable what you can do with your brain, and so you know surprise you have got to keep that supported. What happens as we get a little older, we often have reduced hormones, reduced nutrients, reduced trophy factors, reduce oxygenation. This is a common problem reduced vascular support for these regions of your brain, and so this brain is now also going to downsize itself but if you re establish these things if you optimize these various things. them in fact people. The networks. So this is type two or a traffic or coal Alzheimer's disease, and I should say, the surprise was after we published papers saying, wow, isn't as cool? There's different types of Alzheimer's we founded in the IR VEDIC literature from thousands of years ago they noticed the same thing and so they actually noticed that there was a more inflammatory Tyson. So I was surprised to see that this was not new and then. There's type one point five and we call at one point five because it has features of one and two, and this is like, oh, toxic. So if you have insulin resistance that gives you some type two and if you have glide Kotok city as you know, you get this non enzymatic. You actually have the glucose molecules glomming onto your various pro teams just like will Morris on a shark, and of course, we measured in the lab as Hemoglobin A. One. C.. But of course, there are hundreds of other proteins that are affected by disqualification and altered their structure and it alters their function and it alters their immunogenetics city. So you end up with an inflammatory components. So unfortunately, this is very common and it gives you. Both some type one in some tie to which is why we call it type one point five and these people also fairly easy to turn around. You get the right you know Mile Kid L. Bikita, genyk plant rich Diet make sure that they are exercising that they don't have a lot of stress that they don't have a lot of issues with the exercise secretary lifestyle. These people include as you know, they improve their insulin. Sensitivity and they get better. And then type free is toxic. That's the toughest one to deal with and these hawks and do contribute to Alzheimer's which was a surprise that was not in the original literature. We were always told you know we don't know where it comes from. It's incredibly common to have toxin Associated Alzheimer's disease and they come in three groups. So group one, the people have. Exposure to metallic toxins like Mercury and other inorganic air pollution has turned out to be a big contributor. So one of the big concerns with the California fires you know we're facing some increase in cognitive decline in the future because of those fires and the air pollution that they cause. Then group two is the organics things like Tall Ewing, and benzene Formaldehyde, and glide. And then group three is the Mike and Michael Toxins and other biotoxins. So of course, you know the molds are making toxins trying to live with various bacteria around because the bacteria grow faster. So the molds have to produce thing that's why we have penicillin. Unfortunately, these micro-toxins they produce can damage us they damage our nervous system, the damage, our immune systems, they damage our kidneys, livers actually increase our risk for cancer. So we are living with these micro-toxins and of course, the big five groups that would make the might not all molds, but it's the stack, he buttress penicilliums ASPERGILLUS. Aspergillus he told me and. Those are the big ones. So I encourage everybody find out if your home or your workplace is full of micro-toxins check out, you can get an early score or a hurts me to score to look to see whether there are talking. So that's tight three or toxic. It often looks very different than type one and type two, and then type four is vascular type by is traumatic. So all of these things can contribute to the cognitive decline that ultimately becomes Alzheimer's disease. So you're saying that like the Hawks ick type you know looks very different. So I mean as far as Making the diagnosis I mean, can you tell because there's significant differences between each type as far as the onset is or how they manifest? Yes so just as in many things in the clinic, you have to have a suspicion level. Okay. You know sufficient someone might be having a heart attack or someone might be early in breast cancer the same thing with these subtypes. So the subtitle three looks typically quite different than one two because these people often they are often women who are in their early fifties when I was training back in the nineteen eighties and urology, we never saw people in their fifties with Alzheimer's disease. Now it's. One of the most common things we see and it's often ice threes. These are often people who start with some depression and then progressed to having some non and Nesic presentation about two-thirds of people with Alzheimer's it will be an MSA presentation. So they'll start with difficulty with learning new information and that's really the Canary in the mine that's telling you something's wrong. Your neural network is downsizing on the other hand about a third of them will have non and Mesic presentation and typically it's difficulties. With organization, so often will lose their jobs early because they just can't organize the way they used to. It'll be trouble with word finding trouble with spatial recognition trouble with facial recognition, recognizing the faces of their friends and things like that All of those things are typical for the toxic type of presentation and again, often very young in of sixties, seventies, eighties or nineties they'll be presenting in their late forties to early. Fifties often associated with menopause or peri menopause. So we hear that story repeatedly that they're having trouble. Now with organizing calculation is another big one one person had trouble calculating tip and that was the beginning of Alzheimer's presentation. So good to know these things because then when you see that presentation, you really WanNa work very deeply at what toxins are there. You want to look at GPL talks with common one that we look at. You WanNa look at micro-toxins. You WanNa look at the various metals especially mercury and that's the. That's the most common one that actually gives you Alzheimer's pathology the other one's a copper. And Iron, and lead and arsenic. These can all contribute but but mercury is is the big bad actor for cognitive decline associated with Alzheimer's disease. So that's type three. Is there one that's more common? The others. Yeah, it's a good point and what's what is turned out is that most people don't have purely type one or purely type to some do. But usually it's that there will be a combination. So for example, people will have toxicity and they'll have type three, but they'll also have some like, oh toxicity and they also may have some decrease in hormone. So they have a little bit of type one, point five and type two, but they're dominant one will be tight three the most common in terms of presentation is going to be the H. Roe v one where people just don't have and I should say it depends also on your age group. The typical type to a trophic one is here in your seventies you are low on hormones, nutrients, trophy factors, and you're starting to have trouble remembering things and these people often feel pretty good. They don't have a lot of inflammation they don't have a lot of toxicity they're out there playing tennis driving their cars or doing a lot of things right but they just can't learn new information and that's become if you're for people who are more you know in their sixties. And they're they're overweight and inflamed. That's the type. One kind presentation The toxic is you know the typical Metabolic Syndrome these are people typically in their late fifties sixties into their early seventies. and. These are often people who are able four positives. So the most common genetic component here is able before there over thirty different genes increase your risk for Alzheimer's. But the most common by far is Abeille four and again, everything in the past has been backwards people say don't bother to find out your status because there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing could be further from the truth. We should all know our genetic status because there's a tremendous amount you can do about it and United States. One quarter of the people about seventy five, million Americans have a single copy of Abeille four you have zero copies, which is three quarters of the population. Then your chance to your lifetime is relatively low. It's about nine percent during your wife not zero, but it's not terribly high. If you have a single copy your chances about thirty percent during your life, you'll get Alzheimer's, and if you have both copies and that's seven million Americans you're well. Over fifty percent most likely, you will develop Alzheimer's during your lifetime, but there's a tremendous amount you can do about it to make sure that that never happened. So we encourage people anyone who's forty five or over please get a cog Nas could be just like you get a colonoscopy when you turn fifty, please get a cognitively if you're forty five or older so that you can determine whether you're at risk and what to do about it. And with that believe it or not completely out of time. So I wanted to pick up here next week and we'll start right there. You know talking about that it went people can do to prevent you know having this horrible disease. So thank you so much for being on my show. You're just like an incredible wealth of information. Thank you. Thanks for joining me on the radio talk show with Dr. Christine Horner good. Health. 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48: Curious About Cannabis

Oregon Rooted: The Dirt Show

1:44:12 hr | 1 year ago

48: Curious About Cannabis

"Welcome to Oregon rooted. I'm higher peaks Nisus Lady Sativa. You're listening to the show where we bring you Oregon's campus culture Fast it took him to the dirt. Show I'm higher peaks and I let me say that it is harvest time and it is crop Tober over yes it is and man it is busy. This is essentially Christmas among us. The flowers among us which is true weed the people. Well yeah so it's just busy 'cause it goes on it's time schedule. Oregon's been quite wet which we'll get to ENSO's so it's caused a lot of people to either pole early or and moist pull accordingly. Yeah fortunately for us we put our little. Who can it be on? It's not really little but we put our can't be on on a hoop. It is a carport. Let's not bullshit okay. Who I guess it's way more than a hoop so it's basically a greenhouse? Yeah and I mean we've had to use a heater and a large fan to keep it circulated but it's actually done well force. We ran into slight just to start of Simone. Mold which I had you know harvested those plants. But we've got a handful that are still out there going just fine and we took them down and destroyed the mold people not not harvested and made it to go okay. Would you will get I. I wanted to say you know. Sorry about that so we have not been able to put out the episodes we want. We do how the content and we're going to get it out there but just it's been blocking busy. It's insane no that's the thing is we're trying what's coming up though I'm excited we've got first of all sugar tree farms arms coming up. That's a big one. We were out there. Touring Beautiful Day. Got Some great footage that we're going to put out. These guys are awesome Stephen Nick and we'll talk more about that but they're coming up next they're coming up. Look for them this weekend but like I said great stuff. These guys are out in central point Oregon and they got some killer looking product coming out some beautiful beautiful land out there it is. It's really gorgeous. We also have full circle farms again. But they're coming out as full searchable. Fung Me Yeah Fun. Fun Guy on on G. Fungi. I Like Fun Guy. I'm not sure which one it's dropper. They're fun guys so let's go ahead and do that and yeah they're looking forward. So here's the deal with that. Oregon in two thousand twenty has an initiative out there for legalizing mushrooms controlled settings Yep and they people are actually kind of gearing up for that. I see a lot of people Getting towards that building buildings and labs and stuff they will accommodate this kind of Market and it looks like that even if it didn't go in twenty twenty. It's probably GONNA go eventually. So these are gearing up towards like it took cannabis a little bit too exactly. It took a couple years to be on the ballot before it did actually become condemn recreational in Oregon tends to like. They've followed quickly but they like to have a state or to Colorado's doing older people even though they're the ones that used to do it so it's like why do we have season you. You guys are the ones that started smoking. I you guys are the one that started with the frigging mushrooms. I but you also on the flip had reaganomics so yeah so it was either or on drugs. Yeah so it was. It was either either way just depended on what kind of family they came from so just because because it goes to show a lot but yeah so but we we kind of venture away from cannabis on this although I think mushrooms and psychedelics kind of go hand in hand especially you with season cannabis users. I think a lot of dabbled in psychedelic. People like to put Say More psychedelics. EMT and Acid and stuff like that in a different category of course because it is synthetic yeah it is manmade will emt I mean is not necessarily knots founded yes dot not so much but Acid for sure Even though it is a good trip and it is a good psychedelic it cannot the categorized right lenders. There's things there but we look at it as a whole group and so on that episode we will be kind of going in that direction of psychedelics. And it's kind of a tester episode to see if our listeners like it It's something that we want to talk about a lot of people wanNA talk about and so we feel like maybe we should bring this is part of our repertoire repertoire. So when we bring that out you know let us know. Email us on that organ rooted at gmail.com com email us and let us know the feedback of if you want us to continue adding in some psychedelic episodes And and look into it deeper and bring bring people onto talk or if it's Something you double this. Be like the Wayne's world ending the digital. There's a lot to talk about and because we're on on the verge of it we can really start bringing this information out so I think it's pretty cool and then also kind of fit in arrest episode. I've been talking about this all year but you know we did battle rest all year up up until at least late August and I do have a lot of infant information share infomercial as our share and you know it's it's good stuff it's bad it's whatever but it's a lot more than it's out there right now on the Internet so I hope this helps people and I won't make it long. I'll make it like a little half hour episode kind of fit in all that Info and tell you what I did what what worked. It didn't but I think it's important to know because it is. There's a lot of new stuff out there and with all this stuff and organ blowing up when it's you know hemp and high. CBD High THC cannabis. They do things a lot. More mold. A lot more Pests like aphids. The Ham favorites are ridiculous S.. Year fucking ridiculous. You can walk anywhere in the valley and pretty much be looking at clouds of of these flying aphids. They're a little bit different than a regular aphids. They are a hemp Aphid and they do look like Green Brown eighth and on the plant but As we see it right now apparently some of them can turn into flyers and cause issues they have been fucking everywhere everywhere. Either that or Oregon has been attacked by the world's largest just infestation of fungus GNATS. Whatever what is that the What is the locusts? Yeah those are the big grasshoppers were just getting infested with micro locusts essentially. Yeah it's like that there's a lot of new things that we'll be dealing with. Yes even in the upcoming years and they're going to be new things that through challenging especially since we are surrounded by a lot of hemp farms and As good friend of ours did point out that. There's a lot of hemp farms. That are still it left up. That are moldy and issues that and I think that's a lot of where these nats are coming from. Because the fact that they're moldy weed could be were were literally battling we're literally battling Nats and and No either aphids and Nance or both at the same time fuckers But you're right in that so that's how The rust fits in a new thing that we're battling and I want people to be prepared for if they end up Being challenged with that MHM absolutely these wet conditions so but with your mold talking about that that fits right in on this episode. We sit down with Jason Wilson I'm curious about cannabis. Now he's been on before we talked with him way back when he was with Ken. Aveer which then turned into Labs now he runs his own. podcast called curious about cannabis. We talked about that in the previous previous session that we talked to him and he is now ready to release his first season. And so he's geared up ready to go so I encourage you know the listeners out there if you wanna see more scientific side we don't always touch on that we try to give entertainment and and bring some interviews. But he goes into the scientific the deep Side of it with some pretty serious questions is it are tackled. Didn't he also bring up the hemp to Green Gold Sir. The reason I haven't back on because we the mail tribune our local paper had this article called mold to green golden goal. There we go which is very concerning because it didn't come across as a safety article for sure and I'll let Jason explain that but bottom line is it's something we need to talk about because this is not going to be an organ problem anywhere. There's going to be an cannabis especially right now. There's a lot of hemp across the nation. All you guys out there if if molds and issue in your kind of climate or taking well So what's happening is our processors here at least have indicated that you can that you can somehow any particular processor not our all of our Promo but we do know a few brands out there yes seemed to dabble in that goal. Where Taylor Yeah? So we'RE NOT GONNA use names but one thing to be aware of is just no no your product And remember that the the cheaper the product. There's a reason why it's it's such a deep. There's a reason why it's so cheap so I know that it's expensive to extract and you don't always have it in your budget but you need to know where your health crosses that budget line right. Yes absolutely okay. Okay so with that said tech yourself with that said Jason brings up several points that we talk about. That are important once you do. And that's the thing thing so we tackle this on this episode and it's really important to tackle aspects that people don't even know about so if you're out there in in the state even nationwide and you're having product it's gonna be turned into extracts. You know you gotta realize that it's there's more to it than just being able to blast the mold and kill the mold and have that would be a safe extract right right now. We had a listener. The reached out after this article and we had put it on her instagram and got some feet veep. Good feedback on that post and one of them was from a Person that is dealing with Michael Toxins and so you know this all relates. It's back to this issue. This also goes hand in hand with this vape crisis To call it a damn crisis because it's not it's obviously. It was a crisis that got trindon. Indicates just fucking normal it is like the tobacco that people smoked GonNa kill you eventually so we talk about that as well but it Kinda goes hand in hand you know the toxins that are found in extracts. There's there's a lot of things that could be in there. That could be causing problems and stuff so we go into that so with the vape cartridges. Why don't you tell listeners? Owners will quick. What you guys are doing now? I know that you guys don't have anything. That's fake on the shelf. Obviously yeah we don't have anything on the shelf that hasn't synthetic Turpin in it so you don't have to worry about any of that so Anything that has basically food grade turbines that get put back into it that has additional flavoring. That is not cannabis you know. If you can't find it in a fucking cannabis plant. You're not smoking it so now you guys has been in that kick for a while Over year we've we have steered away from artificial turbines for a long time. was that intentional or done. We purred referred not to do. It actually became. We don't like the artificial turpin. We wanted the real shit we don't want anything reintroduced and we became really snobby about that way before it became name a medical issue Just because we prefer that especially the the worst. The absolute worst is if you are a DAB company that is is putting artificial turns into your concentrates for DABBING. Yeah that's the absolute worst two. We have had had companies to come through that do that. But we're steering away from the actual topic is No we haven't had any issues with cartridges whatsoever. No sale going thing for a while just because of the people that were having issues with their cartridges for example or that he got taken off white label how to fifty percent off sale for. I don't know at least a month so we had fifty percent off of our white label cartridges all of them and they flew off the shelf we Yeah Yeah so now. They're back up to normal cost but let's just just with that said no your brands nowhere. You know your brands. No you're dispensary. Know your brands ends and Don't don't get anything with anything extra synthetic or added like that. Just go with hunch. Tropical that is not. That's not cannabis strain rain could be. I guess fruit punch that tastes like fruit punch like no no tropical the taste like pineapples and mangoes in no. Now we WANNA keep everybody safe and there's going to be dispensaries liked. THC that will only carry Say Products. Yeah but you gotTa know where you're going and you gotta know where it's coming from. You Wanna embrace those really strong turbines than get yourself alive resin cartridge thanks for the But tender dispensary report. Anyway we're not going to hold you up. This is is a little bit longer. So we we appreciate it. It's chock full of information and we hope you enjoy it here. It is Jason Wilson Curious about cannabis like I said the check it out. He's going to be releasing releasing at the end of the month the whole first season. He's GONNA release a few episodes at a time. You can subscribe all all platforms just like ours okay. So that's it organ. I Love Oregon last stay rooted stay rooted all right Jason. Welcome back to the show buddy. Thanks so much. Always happy to join you once again. Yeah and I don't really think there's much of an introduction needed at this point you've been on a ton of episodes and been here since the beginning so but I think everybody wants to know what's going on with curious about about cannabis. Basically at this point I don't know when people will hear this but I'm in the process of finishing up the production for the first season so that's exciting of the PODCAST and looking to get that out in the last week of October and there should be a promo that will come out later this week. That should pop up Abban spotify for folks that will introduce everyone to a lot of the guests for sees one won't contain quite everyone because a couple more interviews. I'm getting over the next few weeks. Spital if people get sense of who've talked to what those all these different people do. I've interviewed doctors. Nurses cultivators Different researchers some big names some not so well no names but a lot of people have a lot of good Knowledge to share some real excited about that and I'm tailing off from from that Working on trying to finish up the next edition of the curious about canvas book taking all the knowledge of gain from speaking with all of these super knowledgeable people and Getting all of that updated so There's a lot coming down the pipeline. We'll see if I'll be able to get this done in October November Berg also Start to be curious about cannabis workshops as well for people that are local to the area here in southern Oregon done before several years ago. But they're basically kind of college. Let's level cannabis science classes for the general public. That run about eight weeks and I'm looking forward to getting those going again as well. So no you've been in the podcast. CAST game a few months. Yeah well you got some feedback on that I mean it's it's a tough world out there isn't it. It's it's been an interesting learning curve for sure. There's a lot that goes into it. That had some sense of knowing. You haven't talked to you about The work you've done with your podcast but Man Yeah there's there's so much to who at so much time and energy that goes into definitely a newfound respect for podcasters especially those like you that are able to keep doing it and you know it's so easy to Either burn out or just give up because it just takes a lot of energy to keep pumping it out. Yeah so you have to love it to Wanna I wanNA do really do. And that's something. I love talking to to folks that have good information to share alike learning about other people's perspectives on things. And and so I mean you know I get a high out of doing interviews. It's so fun and So it's something like even wrapping up season one I'm already booking a ton of interviews for season two And so you know that's not stopping by any means and I think By the time the end of October comes around I should have around thirty hours of interview. Content to share plus another ten or fifteen hours of additional educational occasional content. That I personally adding to it So there'll be a lot coming pretty soon. That's great and it seems like you've had a lot of good feedback so so far You know obviously the only things have been able to get feedback on or clips from the interviews that have posted on on Youtube and stuff But yeah so far people seem to be enjoying it and it's sparked some good questions and just like I was hoping it would folks getting on Youtube and stuff and posing questions that I hadn't unthought of. I knew this going into it but you know like in our interview. The folks here eventually. We talk about that. I don't necessarily certainly come across as like a cannabis guy to the average Joe and so I have gotten a little bit of feedback about that just kind of like. Who is this guy? Wisey you know coming in on our industry and coming in high and so you know it'll be interesting. I definitely flame GonNa take time during the podcast to introduce myself a little more to folks and help them understand that I'm definitely not new to this industry. Despite how I may appear no kidding. That's well I got to admit that when I first met you I I was shocked to. I mean isn't that terrible. Get these built in prejudice. Even if you're in tensions are true true. Yeah we can't help it. It's the way we survive in the world. But you know I I come from Mississippi where you have to keep that stuff under wraps or you get your whole life ruined and so. I'm accustomed to living a very fragmented sense of identity kind of for better or worse I don't I don't think it's a good thing necessarily to live that way but it's a it's a part of how I am I you know. I am accustomed to having to present myself as a very very. I don't know and of square and on the outside to the public. I guess there's this thing too where people think. Uh it's either black or white like you're you're in the scene or you're you're out all in or all out and there's a lot of people that enjoy a lot of different things on a lot of different levels and you just don't happen to be like you don't consume cannabis in the average way that most people would. Yeah yeah like all the time well and and people have a hard not hard time. Just they're like well. If you smoke weed. Say That's that's it you smoke and we right ill and I was in a conversation with the my one of my friends just the other day about the struggle of identity labels and everything and You know we've got to be careful not to box ourselves in or other people into certain labels like They're cannabis user or in the context of this particular conversation. I was speaking to my friend about You know I'm also a musician and haven't publicly put much of my artistic work out there in a long time. Because I'm also a scientist and in you know it's like you've got to be the scientists and you know if I start putting out there. Is that going to change the way people perceive me as an academic or you know some of the work that I do And those are very real Battles that we have. I think all of us have our heads over different things. My friend I was talking to his farming right now but he also has all sorts of other interests in like business management stuff but people know me as the farmer. Now you know like how do I break. Account that to engage these other passions. I have to you know. We're complex human beings. We have all sorts of interests and passions and we can't be boxed into one thing But that's what happens a lot of the time. So can I have to check ourselves routinely and try to get over some of our anxieties about that sure in this legalization process has gotten us to where we've been able to see all the plethora of types of people that are out there consuming it and have been actually yeah. I've been honestly surprised a lot of people that I've talked with interviewed. met with that even myself. It's like they probably don't use canvas find out they do And some people that I think that do don't And so there are all walks of life that are engaging cannabis engaging all sorts of of different things So yeah we have to be careful about our prejudices. This is and try to notice win. That's affecting how we're interacting with somebody that we're not you know jumping to conclusions lesions about what that person might have to offer and everything but the man the irony of it is terrible. I know okay. Well the reason I had you come sit down with this. Is The Mail Tribune. which is a local paper just recently submitted? An article and the title of it was mold to green gold so yeah and I wanted to dive into that. Obviously I was shocked at the article. I guess a lot of ways enlightening to see the current status of not only the knowledge but the perspective of the industry. Sorry Yeah for sure so to give folks some context Yeah there was this article that was published. Recently in the title was blasting thing mold into green gold and it was an article that talked primarily about concerns. Cultivators were having about this season here in Oregon. Because it's been pretty mild summer and we're getting more rain and things a little earlier than we normally would. So you know there's concern about mold That's pretty normal. There's always listen to be real. There's always concern about mold. Oh every cultivation season but You know folks are worried that it might be worse this year. Who who knows? We'll see but the article primarily followed one company. They interviewed multiple people. But it it really highlighted one company in particular that was using. Thanks you too extraction to to extract. I guess moldy cannabis material and The owner of that company company was basically stating that wasn't worried about mold on cannabis anymore because he's got this extraction technology that can handle it and we'll kill kill the mold and you know the extract come out clean of mold and So US ready to go and The reason the article concern. Hey for several reasons one is it. It gave off the impression that that that's something that people should be doing. They should be extracting moldy cannabis. Send will explain why that's a problem second but The other thing is it was. It came across as kind of a marketing piece. You know it's like well if you have moldy weed send it to this Guy Guide hell extract it and and you know. I'm not necessarily saying that. That was the intention of the article but it did come across that way it was like. Here's the guy and here's his phone number and you you know this whole thing and not once in the article did they. Mention that There are additional concerns with multi material. Besides the mold itself and in this little controversial people are on different sides of this issue. But what a brought up. So I contacted the author of the article to explain my concerns about it but there were no labs or scientists that were interviewed for the article that I saw. They did talk to a representative from We'll we'll see see one of the regulatory bodies in in Oregon and pointed out some of the issues around Oregon's canvas testing rules. You know that mold is not tested for anymore. Four and that recent audits of the testing program have revealed that you know they need to make it a little more rigorous And they're kind of looking at California is a model to Maybe tight some things up But the article did not mention at all the issue of micro-toxins and micro-toxins is something that I think I've talked about before. And here's something. I talk a lot about because it doesn't get talked about very much and micro-toxins are these chemical byproducts of certain mold holds not all molds molds that can be pretty toxic to ingest. I mean some of them have So so there's a concept called L. D. fifty when you're talking about toxicity and L. D. stands for lethal dose fifty stands for a fifty percent of population and so in L. D. fifty is basically the dose required to kill half of a population of some organism UNISOM. An animal rodents monkeys. Dogs people. Whatever in the elderly fifty of let's say aflatoxin which is a Mycotoxin And there I say aflatoxin and that's kind of an umbrella turn term because there are multiple types of aflatoxin but the elderly fifty of those compounds can be as low as zero point zero three milligrams per kilogram of body weight which is extremely low for natural product? Another thing about Mike Toxins and they're also mycotoxin called okra toxins ochre toxins and aflatoxin. The most common micro-toxins found in cannabis products. And there's not a whole lot of data on them because not a lot of states require testing for micro-toxins California requires it. I think Nevada does not stake in someone. Correct me if I'm wrong on that and And then there are a variety of companies that are doing research into this like Waters the company Waters Waters Makes Analytical Equipment and they've been working with different groups All over the country that are using their equipment trying to understand. How big of an issue are micro-toxins with cannabis and I used some of their equipment. Back in the day in did side testing of cannabis flower to try to detect micro-toxins and and one sample we. We definitely did see it and we didn't do much testing. I mean we did like fifteen tests. It was a very small little project just to See what we would find and Sure enough we detected it now. Searching for micro-toxins is different than searching for mold. Right so so what I did in those studies is is I We were doing mold testing at the time because Oregon stay rules required mold testing then and any mull tests that I saw. That would come up that that had Certain sort of organoleptic characteristics about them. Really dark molds The concert smells and things. I'll go off of to that. Basically put those aside and we had this collection of sort of suspect samples that we then go back through and and do mycotoxin talks and testing for and and yeah we we saw it It wasn't a quantitative test. We just saw that. There was definitely definitely you know Above I think it was. I can't remember what the action level was now. This was years ago. The point being is that I know that micro-toxins are around in cannabis products because of seen with my own eyes And that's been corroborated with other scientists. Have Talk to other companies that are doing that work it's not super common But it is an issue in all those toxins are present whether or not the materials been combusted. Right so the important point about micro-toxins as you can kill the mold that produced them but does mycotoxin talks. INES ARE STILL GONNA be there. They're very stable. Like it takes I can't remember off. The top of my head with the temperature is but it takes really really high temperatures chirs to degrade them They're very Very very stable. They also accumulate in tissues in the body over time too so with repeated exposure Those levels increase in the body until you reach a tipping point and so the the tricky thing about mycotoxin you get exposed to them. You don't necessarily the exhibit any symptoms right away You might not exhibit symptoms for years But with repeat exposure your body can get to a point where it just can't take anymore And then you can start to exhibit symptoms and you know one of the unfortunate thing about mycotoxin says that they're carcinogenic so they can cause house cancer and there have been numerous epidemiological studies showing different towns and Cultures across the country that to have had exposure to contaminated foods that have micro-toxins in them. They can see these mycotoxin levels changing in the blood. And they see these correlations with cancers answers and different things. So it's a it's now recognized issue that micro-toxins have to be controlled foreign foods. You know that sort of thing and like I said some newer. You were states that our on boarding testing rules canvas including micro-toxins Oregon's not one of those places so we just don't have a data set understand how prevalent it is when it's likely to show up any sort of cues markers you know to look for for producers to try to mitigate that risk. It's just kind of go under the radar and then mull testing's not required either so labs aren't even seeing. There was a lot of pushback about the mole testing when it was happening. Because it was a very generic. Multi didn't differentiate different types of molds. Or anything it was is just like colony counts you know We basically would extract a sample. Put it in a Petri dish or something incubated see what grows rose and count the number of mold colonies that were growing on that plate. But we'd have all sorts of different species of molds that are growing in there so a lot of people didn't like like that because one complaint was that folks that were using certain microbiological innocuous felt like they were failing at greater rates. When they were using fungal? Glenn Knock things that didn't present a risk to public health and safety of some debates even be had over that but that was one of the complaints and another another complaint was that people were failing for yeast counts as well which they thought were not a public health and safety issues and so the state eventually nixed The mold testing and instead the testing they have now is basically around moisture looking at moisture content and water activity which is essentially the relative humidity around sample. Gives the water moving and if the water is able to move that means it can be available to microorganisms to us To Grow Up. You know coming back around to all of this you can run moldy material in an extractor and yes you can kill. The mold The pressure inside some of these systems can even destroy mold spores. And you know that's great but if there are mycotoxin present. Those micro-toxins are likely to concentrate just the same as the canal. You're going to pesticides would all sorts of things So it's a it's an issue that like a lot of things in the cannabis. Ebbs industry right now is kind of a big question. Mark as far as how concerned do we need to be about it but it is. It is a risk that people should be aware of In another another side to this too is that that just backing away from toxins. And that's where thing for bit when a plant gets infected with Fungus virus. You know different things. It changes the FIDO chemistry of that plant And I I should have. Examples is ready and unfortunately I don't but They're all sorts of different changes. That happened with the way that plan starts to use its energy Sometimes it can can up regulate certain antifungal compounds to try to fight the infection Sometimes it just Has Really really low yields of Certain Chemicals so the point being that moldy material is going to be. It's going to have a very different right chemical profile than something. That isn't moldy. It's going to affect can have annoyed. Contents can affect European content on top of presenting risks with You know potentially micro-toxins or or even Exposure to to other spores and stuff depending in all depends on the extraction. Set up exactly what's going on So I was alarmed reading that article because the article seemed to imply that this is something people should be doing We'll even the fact that if it implies it could be done seems a little. Yeah it just it just it bothered me that some of for those risks to consumer safety weren't brought up and I know they'll probably be pushed back on this 'cause like you said there are there are people out there that kind of scoff at the idea that micro-toxins toxins or anything to worry about at all in the first place but that was also happening with all sorts of things and we're now Identifying all sorts of new health risks with cannabis products that we weren't aware of you know five years ago and some of that gets into some of these issues with the extracts You know in California for new. They're finding that in cheap vape cartridges. you get leaching of metals into extracts and stuff obviously the vaping issue. Now with you know. There's Snell thirteen reported deaths from vaping. There are a number of risks that while they may be small. I mean when it affects. Somebody it's not a small issue you know well and we'll get to the vape but let me ask you this before we move on. What do you think it'd be better for Oregon to test for mold or test for micro-toxins because it it sounds like if you don't have the ladder that That mold may not be an issue. I don't WanNA present like that. But Yeah Yeah. What are we really worried about? Are we worried about the MOLDER. We worried about the mycotoxin from the mold. And what should we be looking for. Yeah maybe I mean in an ideal world it'd be both you know with testing enrolls. There's there's so much it's such a balancing act because you've got a balance you know what's the cost of Testing actually going to be that the producers can have to absorb Zorba the end of the day How is that testing actually going to provide value to both producer and the consumer and so it's a balancing act you know when any Testing rules were being proposed for the adult use Market several years ago they actually proposed requiring testing for A believes four different species of mycotoxin producing molds in that got nixed. They also were going to require e- Colon Salmonella testing and that got knicks will. Well it's kind of a soft knicks. They're still language and the rules that say they could require it if they ever wanted to. But it's not something something that they are required to test for rarely which You know I don't know it's it's a it's a tricky thing because as part of my perspective comes from you know the natural products industry and thinking about Good manufacturing practices and Whether or not a government body requires you to test for certain things. There should be a motivation To Go above and beyond proved move the safety of products regardless because as a producer you are assuming responsibility to public health and safety to the to the health and safety of your consumers to some extent in in. So there's part of me that's like yeah you know. The state should require for more testing but really there's a bigger part of me that wants producers to take that on themselves mm selves and to use it as a value added proposition for their products. Say like you know regardless of what state requires we've tested fear. You know all of these things things and we know that our stuff is safe. We're controlling for these things. You know the thing that really pops up in my head because any any producers that I consult in helping them get their operations more till a GNP standards. You know. Those are basic things that I would highly recommend them test for regardless godless of what's required by the state. Just because I mean if someone does get sick from your stuff and they decided to sue you you know what he what then. It's a lot better to have some protection. Yeah so you know. So the state thought about requiring those four specific mycotoxin producing species. Ninety sure that would be enough or not. I mean they were all aspergillus species and their micro-toxins that come from other Genera of of fungi besides aspergillus but It definitely would have been a good start Yeah I it's. It's really really hard for me to say. I do. Wish that mycotoxin testing was required at least for a while so we could get a data set to understand how big of an issue it actually is and then things could maybe be adjusted after that you know I also wish. Metals are being tested for and products for the reasons I just mentioned that there's all sorts leaching ching and other issues that come about that he even if you make a clean cannabis extract. You can still end up with contaminated extract just in how it's packaged and delivered to a consumer. So and we had a listener reach out When I posted that article explained that she was concerned because she was cannabis user and she currently had mycotoxin poisoning? Is that poisoning. Is that what they say. Yeah I mean it's some sort of condition. Yes Oh man had the word at the tip of my tongue just a minute ago. But it's depending on the source of the mycotoxin a little have the like it's an aflatoxin based condition it'll have like the aflatoxin. I think that's what it is aflatoxin doses. Something like that okay. Okra toxin right right and I didn't want to get into details because obviously this is a sensitive subject and I don't you know know this person directly but they are going through a long-term hospital on and off hospital visits visits. I don't know all the details but from what I could gather Quite a bit quite a big battle and it's caused it's affected or kidneys. Yeah I believe the liver and so she's had to go back and have further treatments I don't I mean this is brutal. And with the pain that she's he's been experiencing and stuff on with the diets that they wanted to do and stuff like that cannabis has been helpful. But she's really concerned now you don't want to add how do you know. And so she expressed concern and that that again. Really Alert Me Mike. Wow so there's people out there that already have this. This could be using cannabis and that's that's a scary proposition. Yeah I mean that's what I worry about is that there are folks out there trying to treat medical conditions and are finding some relief from cannabis and I worry that. They're secretly making some of their conditions worse. If they're not using high quality eh cannabis. How would you know? We'll see that's the thing you know in Oregon where that kind of testing is not required. So something I've talked about before. Is We have a perception perception issue with consumers and producers but particularly with consumers when consumers. Here that something's tested they assume it's safe and I don't expect people to have have to learn all the INS and outs of testing and regulations and everything To make their choice a purchase. You know whatever Eb. It's I mean. People have limited band with time. People have a million things going on so they. They can't sit in get hours of lectures on how to interpret all the stuff. But it's a major issue that in all these different states with cannabis that's been legalised. There are different testing rules in different states and to a consumer summer. The here somethings tested. They assume it's safe and they assume everything that's been tested as all safe and that's just not the case unfortunately You you know I. It matters what things were tested for. Once again this this relates back to the vaping stuff that will get into a bit but You know in the state of Oregon. When you're buying cannabis products there really is no way for you to know whether that product is free of Mike Toxins or not? What you can do is try to understand the producer and try to find producers that seem to exhibit dedication to really high quality and and that have commitments to not use moldy material? And Take Pride in that and then you probably can feel a little better. Sure about that. Risk being mitigated otherwise. You know you can ask our producer whether they're getting things tested for micro-toxins to go above and beyond on state REX But you know that can be complicated to there. Are A lot of cannabis testing labs and state that Don't have the resources to do that testing now. If there's there's a consumer demand for that testing they may onboard the technologies and things. They need to do that You know testing for micro-toxins or different ways to do it there cheaper ways do it and they're really expensive hi-tech ways to do it Some of the equipment that labs are already using for pesci testing they can use for mycotoxin testing no problem It's just a matter of knowing that you know that's a service that then you'd be ready to provide so you know those of you. That are listening. You're in the state of Oregon or in any state that has regulated cannabis. Use has testing rules. And there's not a requirement for mycotoxin and it's something you think you know that's a data point that that should be available You need to communicate to your labs that that's a service That you expect and that you want and once the labs know that the demand is there enough that it'll be financially viable for them to onboard that method Then they'll do it. I didn't even see The cost of it being an issue except for maybe from the growers. But I don't see the consumers even if it gets passed down. What have a problem? Usually health especially in the cannabis world seems to be a right well over top priority and something. I always wondered you. You know in Oregon. We've got this weird three streams of cannabis commerce. You've got the medical program you've got the adult US program and you've got him when that was was all getting Split up as the adult use system was coming on board and then later hemp. I'd always hoped that the medical program may be would be preserved observed by having stricter testing requirements for For the medical program. So that things that were sold under the guise of the medical program would be be objectively a higher quality than those things on the adult use market so that if someone is treating a medical condition They could get medical grade need Products absolutely you would be immune compromised exactly. Yeah and I mean this released all sorts of stuff you know in Oregon we test for for about sixty pesticides but they're well over four hundred or so. We could be testing for no problem but we have to be careful you know. It's a critical conversation that has an industry we need to have Because you know going back to what I said earlier like do you want this demand coming from the government or is it something industries GonNa take upon itself and in other industries it. It is typically typically adopted by the industry itself as trying to a home stand out among competitors and protect their themselves from legal liability. That it just makes sense to. Do you know a lot of testing folks. Just have to figure. Out what kind of quality of cannabis they want. Ah In and ask for that. And if they don't care about mycotoxin or if it turns out that micro-toxins aren't a big deal after all but I don't. I don't necessarily want to advocate that the government should be shutting that down. Everyone's throat either. No I do know that. There are other processors in the area that they're blasting material. That is unquestionable. Yeah you know going on for a long time. Yeah and that's the thing. I just actually these people that I'm talking about actually almo- don't flaunt it. But they they just they don't hide it for sure and the really weird thing is that you can see the quality on the shelves like the people that are putting in much effort turning mold all the gold. It's you can see that in the overall quality because it's just crap and I know that people have a budget I mean you. Can you can tell by some some of this product as well not. I'm not saying that. The mold makes the product look bad. But I'm saying that the Karen love that goes into someone that's GONNA use. Moldy Cannabis tends to show up in the final product. And it does it does affect taste. I am among other things. So you know. There are characteristics of these materials producers have different ways of dealing with that there are different refinement techniques can do to deal deal with with some of those issues of taste in and color and smell. can remove components that contribute to that can add back Dan Components to make tastes. Better you know there's and then I have all sorts of issues with that I have. I have very serious concerns about the levels of Turpin some of the extracts extract that are on the market right now natural levels from the concentration or you talking like reintroduce talking reintroduced yeah concentrations that are getting above eight ten percent that Ed would never naturally occur. You know it's just something that these big unknowns. We just don't have long term health date on people heating up and inhaling you know all all of these these Turpin Lloyd's and so you know I'm I'm working on a paper with one of my colleagues right now About that issue about the toxicity of Turpin cannabis and know whether that's an issue that we need to look at a lot of lot of terrapins are used as pesticides herbicides or very chemically similar to a lot of terrapins pins. I mean Turpin awards. It's a huge chemical class and so assuming that that altarpieces are are safe is kind of a silly idea. There are a number of different concerns. I have about canvas products at particularly as it relates to extracts. I don't worry as much about sort sort of the old school extracts you know. Keith has Chichan Even crude and absolute cannabis extracts. That don't have much added to them. I don't have as many concerns although I do worry about. Effects of chronic use really chronic use of high concentrations of canal annoyed annoyed. I mean it definitely affects your body in different ways but particularly I'm really concerned about additives and using low quality materials. And that's where thing along with the turbines. It's funny that you had said about like the pesticide You know turbines can and are used for a a lot of different things. I grew grass this year and without knowing I I liked growing certain herbs I do like them for the garden for growing cannabis. Good companion plants companion plants. They they offer a bit of extra smell so you get a variety of smells. We like to dry things anyway. I didn't realize growing LEMONGRASS they does grow like an herb. That sucker feet at boy it's going to grow and so at the end of the year. I'm I'm looking at how to harvest and use it. You know so I pull off a a stem and it's got a little stock and then the long leaf and I was researching. It says it's CITRONELLA. That's what it is. It's lemon grass is citronella which is a huge pest deterrent. Yeah for a lot of things. Mosquitoes flies stuff like that. And I'm like wow wow so you can take your finger and run it right down to the bottom of that stock and it just smells just like the Steffi by wal-mart which I'm sure it's not the same exactly accolades but interesting enough so I was really shocked. Like wow and it smells just like it. I could have put that right on candle right then no mosquitoes. Yeah Yeah but very interesting. So that's what makes them good companion plants man. I'll tell you it was just. It was a shock though to realize just how potent That particular Turpin or the essential oil was when it comes to pass the stuff like that. Yeah I mean you just gotTa think about how the plants are using these compounds and You they're not making these compounds to smell good humans I mean arguably some of them might they may As far as how we've evolved to a large extent You know they're producing reducing these things to respond to their environment to defend themselves into communicate essentially as tools. Yeah exactly and Talk about a big toolkit egg. Yeah huge toolkit and it's You know this is like a common theme. That comes up in a lot of talks that I have with the people but it's going to be really really careful not to over. Simplify things assume that You know because something is safe in some contexts heck's that safe in all contexts And that is a theme that is recurring. A lot in the cannabis world right now Once again talking about additives and things running around like something being safe and certain concentrations in certain applications does that mean. It's also safe in a totally different application and totally different concentrations non necessarily known. I've noticed I've been some research recently on like looking at the MS she'd so yes data sheets of certain chemicals and stuff and believe it or not. There's really not a lot of information on these chemicals and and and products that you know when they're being combusted or used at certain temperatures and something can be really safe. You know eating at Ed ably like consuming it through your stomach And and things can be a lot. A lot of things can be safe not being burnt or even elevated temperatures but once you start to elevate the temperatures and and or combust something it completely. I mean the molecules are then changing right and then that could be when it does become and people just always leave that step out. Don't leave out it's just there's not much info either out there right and there aren't a ton of people talking about it. It's just not raise to a high level in the you know in the shared consciousness of of consumers and producers yet. And so you know. We're going through these growing pains Hopefully the cancer pains right. Yeah I know you know but yeah talking about safety data sheets you have been so many hours looking at safety data sheets and a couple of things about safety data sheets that I think people should know One is there's always look at the intended use of the compound featured on safety data sheet and that I say that for multiple reasons I mean one is obviously you want to use use something for its intended use because that intended use usually supported by some amount of data that shows that safe but this also relates to the concept of grass generally regarded as safe designation that you know the the FDA extends to certain CERTAIN PRODUCTS WCHS natural products. And things. And I think I know that there is among at least some people seem to be a lot of people at the. There's a misconception about what grass means and in how it's applied to products and this Mainly comes about because there's just no way we can get away from the vaping thing but I remember member on social media some time ago a producer posted a link to a safety data sheet for an additive they were using using and I believe it was two copper acetate vitamin E acetate and they were showing They're like look compound and You know it shouldn't be a big deal all stop freaking out about it and I was like well. Let's just look at that safety. Data Sheet and one. The intended use was for topical administration and and For this particular safety data sheet that I was looking at and Secondly grass a grass designation the only applies to an intended use the FDA makes it very clear that even though the FDA has lists of things that are grass compounds. There's a clause in there that specifically says it's you know it's only four intended use and so when you look at a safety data sheet. It doesn't matter if that compound is grass or not. It's only grasp for that listed intended news so In this particular instance of looking at Copper Acetate You know and it said topical use. Okay well it might be generally regarded as safe but only only for topical use and you know not when you're inhaling it and then further beyond that you go and you look at Different exposure is your methods and sort of what corrective actions are for those exposure methods. You'll see if it gets in your eyes. Washer is immediately. Answer thing well although there are sections for what happens if you are exposed to fumes and so in inhalation effects and then there's also a category serious inhalation collation which that's where vaporizing and smoking and things will come into play that's serious inhalation. You're you're intending to really bring that into your lungs. And a lot of these safety data sheet say no data available exactly exactly what it And and a lot of these just for basic inflation will say You know Don't be exposed to fumes if you are exposed to fumes get fresh air etcetera etcetera. Now there's debate of for like is that language in there and just as a precautionary thing and they don't really know. Well you know in a lot of cases probably sure but I mean that's something we we need to be real about like. We don't know a lot about some of these things in the context like you just said of vaping and smoking and So you know. There's a lot of caution that needs to be had on the on the producer side but also the consumer side at this stage of the game. It's important for consumers to understand how to critically evaluate producers understand. What's then products and understand that they can go online online and look up a safety data sheet really easily and get used to interpreting those as well as of course I always recommend asked for test results? Ask her the certificate secretive analysis and look at that too and something are planning on doing in my workshops helping people understand how to interpret certificates of analysis safety data sheets all that sort of thing. Because because I think I mentioned in one of our last talks but I've definitely taken for granted that that people understand how to read documents like that. That and I've I've learned it's not as straightforward as as I've taken except you spent so much time looking at them I don't even think about it but Folks have never looked at that before it can be a lot to take in sometimes so you know sprays. Full healers nutrients all that stuff that we're kind of briefly touching on here even though and I just wanted this I I wanted to mention it. Is that just because we're using. Organic things does not mean. It's not. Yeah and I think that a lot of people get lost in that too will what I'm using organic or it's Omri listed or I mean. CD If it doesn't matter if you're CDFI listed you're not going to get cancer right because you've cancer in California from everything probably but if you're listed the with a CD then it shouldn't be anyway With that said just be careful too because even looking at MSG sheets on Organic Ganic stuff. I was trying to trying to find information the other day on. Here's a fun decide that you can use it. It's listed organic Omri listed. It's called the garden fos and it's a phosphorus based use fos forecasted And in and of itself is a nutrient so the phosphorus nutrient nutrient now this particular molecular structure whatever is not so usable by the plant the plant uses it but not as it would nutrient probably like look and trying to find okay. This is a good fun decide. And it's organic. Is it okay to consume. You know whether it's in elation or vaporizing or whatever could find anything on at MSG sheets same thing not Known not known or waved says waved a lot. Meaning they don't either don't know or haven't even attempted to tackle that some in so when it gets down to what I did find is I started breaking down the chemicals of what would happen so if you burned the mono and di potassium phosphates. What did it break down to and I did find information on that? If you dig deeper I dug so deep that it in the only reason I found out is because the MS sheets beats had information on if there was a fire yeah and so the information was directed towards like emergency personnel away and I was is able to find that mono and di potassium salts of phosphoric acid Even though is essentially a nutrient when you burn that it turns into phosphorus. Oxides those in themselves. Then you can see data sheet on the phosphorus oxides which I looked into and found out. That that's the carcinogen parsonage in so when you combusted. It turns into the oxide. The oxide on the sheet. It even says it's a carcinogen but I did have to go down and read in digital selective work like a long time but I kind of figured out okay. We'll get down to the real component after it's been combusted the molecule and then look of that data sheet and then look for you know if there was a fire in the building it's usually in that section so it was like okay. That's that's a really good point so completely organic not not on. It's not on the list of do not use on organ right. You could essentially use it. I would assume pass tests. But it's a carcinogen organic carcinogen right well and another point. That you're touching on that is really important For people to think about is that you know you can have all of the information formation. You want about the chemistry of a product that you're about to ingest but as soon as you heat it up you're changing that chemistry and and so it's important to look for research on You know the vapors and smoke of Of different products. You know. There's research that's been done on cannabis and cannabis extracts and stuff. That's looked at you. Know What's coming into the vapor streams and the smoke streams and those are totally different compounds than you know what Oughta cannabis testing labs is testing for all those turbines and can avenue. It's like I mean when you're paralyzing stuff all sorts of chemical changes happening and and In that effects on the safety profile of products You know it's one reason why you're you're not gonna find a medical doctor. That's going to recommend you know that you smoke smoke something you know because there's a lot of unknowns with that long even with the full control of a really high in digital vaporizing unit you know. Ah You'RE STILL GONNA touch. You can't make that temperature. Only vaporized just just see you're going to create some some play play on some other chemicals and so even with that control. It seems like you could still run the risk of Having some leach in there that that may not be good even at a real low temperature right or low temp DAB say. Yeah and I think If anyone listening has like interacted with a digital volcano which I have Ah The you know you can set. Your temperature's nice and low and Get a true vapor That vapor can be really irritating and some of that just because some of these terrapins are pretty irritating compounds along I've heard that monitor pins forgive exactly okay so this is what. Yeah so. I've gotten monitor beans can be heavy especially like Lima Nin and Things that are chemically similar to lean Can can be really irritating especially especially when these monitor opinions Oxidise they've come. Usually more irritating am can sometimes even elicit allergic reactions from people and stuff so something that Some listeners might not be aware of but a lot of people that were using volcanoes stuff Back in the day Complained because they would cough a lot even though they're vaping They will cost a lot and funny enough That issue is over time has led to extracts is being a mixed with certain Other agents to help reduce that effect in to make it easier to take aac nice draws from a vaporizer You know from canvas extract innovate. And not just cough a lot. So you know that's why Recently in the midst of all these vaping issues accompany constant therapeutics Came out and responded to that because they have a patent on a vitamin DAMANI in extracts and vitamin E ACETATE has been called out as one of these potential culprits in some of these Lung Diseases that are happening with with vaping and You know the they pointed out in their public response to that issue that The reason vitamin E. started to get it incorporated into extracts was because when people were truly vaping they were coughing a lot knows causing problems and so it helps sued the lungs and allowed them to you know be able to use that extract without having such a coughing fit. So we've got this vape national babe issue going on and it Kinda came out of. You're which is kinda funny because sort of well. I mean to the public eye right. Yeah I did been developing for the past three or four years is you're GonNa hit a tipping point before it really became. Just everybody knows about it kind of a public healthcare if you will and which is really interesting because there's a lot fricken ton of facets acids to this yeah a lot of facets there's there's different markets there's different industries in this there's legal and black there's You know the nicotine and teach see hemp now. CBD always different things right vaping just the term vaping means a lot of just think so many many facets and I would like to start off because it hits close to home but these black market people That was the nicest thing I could come up with guys guys as I should say disguised as packaging companies. Yeah yeah unfortunately. They only provide packaging to black market. Apparently go figure but there was a huge not huge article that was showed that these five top branding. Packaging companies had like eighty five somewhere in there. Don't quote me. Eighty five eighty percent somewhere in there Percent of this Michael. Can you say Michael. You know Michael Beaten which which is known by many brand names one of them's twenty. Which is this blows me away to find your side? I mean this. I understand back in the nineties. You know he'll twenty was probably the only anything on the shelf. Maybe some met fifty two. I don't know yeah but that was it black market. I'm sure we smoked a lot of that back then. But there's no damn reason it'd be having that stuff now right right. There's too many options even other unsafe options aren't as bad as that one but now they're finding it in high percentage of cards out there on the black market so bottom autumn line is these black market. Growers are wherever this cannabis is coming from is just being nuked and then putting carts so there's just one major issue but but then you can break it down into the vitamin E. You can break it down into the heavy metals You know Even the Turpin had I was just gonNA say heavy turbines The concentrated product in in itself. The whole the whole range of the concentrated product The fact that you can have approved organic products that still can be Mhm Bad all these things I think. Now we're at these crossroads of kind of what we're GONNA do. But starting with the Michael Beautiful Issue I mean. This is an issue that came up in Oregon years ago prior to the current pesticide list. Being agreed upon and made into rule and acquire car require all cannabis products be tested for the sites tested now. some of the labs that were doing kind of extended pesci testing beyond with the state was requiring previously. They were or finding Michael Beautiful In a lot of samples that was one of the major Commonly found pesticides and the issue. With Michael Butte nells decide. It's a fun decide. Decide like you said commonly found equal twenty and when it's heated I hope it don't mess of it. Becomes hydrogen cyanide. Yes and and which is very toxic so yes? Some of the studies to provide some context on the vaping issue. Right now l.. GonNa tie in all of this so Starting around I think it was two thousand sixteen or so they started reports of lung illnesses from vaping. twenty two thousand seventeen. I think was when one of the first deaths was reported. You know the started to get looked at but there was no sense of how serious finish you. It was whether some of these the lung illness cases were Anomalies you know Individuals that were particularly susceptible what was going on Fast forward to twenty nineteen. Recently we had the second death reported in Oregon From vaping these reported deaths which now span Dan. You know I think eleven different states now ten or eleven you know it's prompted the FDA in the CDC to look very closely at this and so you already the FDA has been going around for the past several years collecting products off the shelves and doing testing trying to understand what is in a lot of CD. BBDO products cannabis products all sorts of things. And just people haven't really been that aware of it And you know the CDC's doing their own testing now and so in some of that work that they were doing Getting to what you're bringing up. They collected the most popular brands of black market vaporizer cartridges that people were using and and found that you know basically all of them testing positive for Michael Butte. No on top of that. They're also finding that separate study that they did found that a lot of them were Cut with Vitamin E ACETATE. Also called coffer all acetate cockerels mini And then and some of them. More broadly we're being cut with mineral oil which contains A Lotta Times Vitamin Vitamin E. ACETATE as a stabilizing agent for the mineral oil and so the vitamin E. thing is is concerning for several reasons. I mean the main issue that is getting brought up a lot. Now is the concept of of lightweight ammonia ellipoid pneumonia also called exogenous lipid pneumonia pneumonia. And basically what that term means is that you've you've inhaled fatty things lipids into your lungs and they've coded your lungs and disabled along from being able to do what they're supposed to do Our bodies are not designed to inhale lipids. They're just not and so that's a a major concern. Learn now F- last stat. That I looked at today which was reported. I think yesterday. So they're now over eight hundred cases of respiratory illnesses linked to vaporizing and most of those are linked to vaporizing cannabis products While there are some that are being reported around nicotine vaporizing. A lot of this is coming from cannabis. Why is that well? One part of that. Is that the way that cannabis extracts are formulated for vaporizer pens just different than how nicotine e juices are are formulated in. Egypt has have their own issues but cannabis extracts are a little unique in that. When you make this hyper concentrated campus extract? It's if if anyone's ever played with the WHO a highly refined distillates like hot glue. It's very very thick can. It's a semi solid really at that point and So in order to make it usable for vape pen Folks to make it running again so that will flow and depending on the type of a price. I Sir caution cartridge that it'll You know get whipped or whatever it needs to do. And so they'll cut the extract with something and and they could cut it with a variety of different things. Some people are cutting extracts with other cabinet weights. That are helping it to be rainy. Summer using turbines which turbines among. I'm being used for all sorts of things like pesticides they're also solvents Some of them are pretty pretty. Good solvents and so they'll add things like Lima Nina other things to help help you know a reduced viscosity of of the extract. So it'll work well in a vape pen and then Some are are using things like mineral oil and other Suspect things there's probably a big push for thicker vapour to there is there is yeah mental thing. Yeah there's you know people like being able to exhale these huge. Yeah and their videos on Youtube instagram. You know if people doing fairly impressive things with coming out making all sorts of shapes and interesting things. It's expensive breathing. Oxygen right yeah carbon monoxide poisoning. Who needs that? You worried about that. But it's definitely evolved. Well beyond smoke rings which sure you know in my lifetime. That's all I've been groping should on this right. Yeah so So yeah there's a lot going on and so as far as the concerns go. There are concerns over pesticide contaminants their concerns over thickening agents and different Added it's solvents That are affecting the experience of vaping or the clouds that are coming out the the vapor itself. You've got flavoring agents and things like that that are being added Getting into the TURPIN issue. Then there are other things too that I worry about that. Will that are coming to light in states like California that are doing more extended testing like the fact that certain VIP razor cartridges are leaching metals into the extract their leaching other industrial components glues and plastics all kinds of stuff into the extract. You've got little rubber seals on exactly. Yeah who knows what exactly. VPA's in there already been issues within the natural products world tincture bottles of rubber Dropper tops leaching into into you like NC tea based products that sort of thing So so that's an issue. Another issue is revolves around the production process itself and whether the hoses hoses and fittings and seals and things that the actual Extractors are using are chemically. Compatible with with the solvents and other materials that are being exposed to and that can cause leaching in all sorts of other issues. So and then there's the question question of you know when an extractor is sourcing. Their solvents to use for making an extract are the solvents clean How pure are they Going back to the GP stuff you know the in the United States the FDA good manufacturing practices require that You you can't it just says several points when you're trying to find an ingredient for a product one you have to carefully vet your suppliers you have to. Generally this involves involves submitting them a quality questionnaire trying to understand like. Do you have a quality system who manages quality. How do you manage quality all these things Then there's the deep part of vetting your ingredients and one requirement under the FDA GOP rules is that you have to verify a certificate of analysis that you receive from a supplier to have a reason to trust The test results that a supplier gives you. And that's an expensive process. And unfortunately and this isn't just a cannabis industry thing this. This is something that affects The nutraceutical factory self-managed industries Food Industries it takes thirty two upwards of one hundred grand or more to do that testing each year to routinely Verify your supplier Sivas. So it's something that unfortunately get skipped by a lot of companies lockneys. Don't do that because it's so expensive. And they do take the suppliers word for that you know things are what they say they are unfortunately fortunately You know the cases that there's a lot of fraud going on everywhere in in solvent production in natural products every everywhere. There's a lot of fraud if people can get away with something they will And so you've got good players in bad players players and so you know if they're producers listening to this you know one you really need to be looking at the FDA GNP rules and your operations really really need to be GNP compliant. I mean it's not just a like government regulatory thing like this is these are industry. Best Practices and ways of protecting your company and your consumers But you know he needs to be Verifying that your solvents and other Ingredients that you're using to make products act are actually as clean as a supplier. Who says they are and in light of understanding Some of these potentially problematic additives that are being added to extracts Testing for those and being able to demonstrates consumers that your products don't have those things in them. You know what I fear where things seemed to be going and I I actually think this is a bad idea and I. I don't like giving such a strong opinion about something like this but it seems like we're moving towards a ban on on vape pens and that sort of thing. Flavored e CIGS and whatnot. And I am not sure that that's the right way to go because you know from my perspective. It seems like you know. The issue seems to affect act black market products way more than legal products Now products that make it into legal market that does not mean that. They don't have vitamin E ACETATE in them or don't have absurd levels of turbines in them that they shouldn't have don't have Different contaminants that aren't being tested for. But the risk is way higher on the black market side. If he's just ban everything outright. Do you think people are just GonNa Stop consuming will no I think that pushes it again. Right into the black market hands and black market. Don't give a shit about you or your health and never has right ever will. It's going to be Eagle Twenty. Two and they don't have to test. They're not required to test. You're not going to require him the test. and that's where everybody's going to go. I I wouldn't do it well. I mean. Consider this to So this is about to say is the case for a lot of different health risks of cannabis the reason we're learning about some of these nuance risks of canvas is because people are willing to talk about it People are sharing more with their doctors about what they're using And a lot of that has come up because cannabis's been brought out of the black market And into a regulated system if we push things back into the black market you know. Consumption is going to continue to happen in this before can be very resistant to tell their doctors or other people that they're using those products rex own. That's what concerns me not interrupted but I have to fit this in. That's what concerns me about the Info that they have on the cards now is not what the deaths and stuff but these people they don't have these are not actual factual necessarily factual information coming into the hospitals and stuff when someone goes to emergency room and they've done an it's from a cart and they admit to it it doesn't mean that the information they're providing is accurate right right now exactly someone could go in there and bought it from black market. been too worried about Whatever they think the repercussions around a B.? So they say they bought it from a dispensary right well and that there could be a lot of skewing is what I'm saying. Oh exactly yeah I mean that gets gets into the heart of this vaping issue is that there's just a lot we don't know and we have to recognize that and you know people are talking about vitamin E. Acetate all these different things but really we don't know and the CDC has even said that currently there's not a consistent thread across all of these cases that lets them mm-hmm say this is the problem And these kinds of things. I mean. They're complicated. You don't know what these you know. The people that have died from these issues. You don't know what else they're doing doing On the side. If they're using other drugs what their lifestyles like what. Their diets like what. Their predispositions are genetically and other things with their overall level of health was at the time And to your point you know when someone says that you know this death what's caused from using a vaporizer cartridge from a dispensary. Like wow how do you actually know that Not Too many people take receipts out the door right. I tell you that is a fact. I've been around. Dispensary bought products a lot and you save your receipt to return it right. Yeah and and and if you're gonNa tell me that you went into the hospital and told the whole truth I just. Maybe if you're in Oregon you did but if you're likely if you're in an you know man. This is a problem home with with drugs in general and the way that we as a society currently handle drug use. I mean this is a problem with overdose deaths. In general that people people are afraid to call an ambulance if there is od ing on something. You know or even alcohol and this is stuff stuff that like. I have friends of mine that have been in situations like this where they have witnessed someone dying and don't know what to do because they're scared of you know getting in trouble. Yeah and so you know. Obviously the issue with cannabis as a lot lighter than issues going on people dying from alcohol and heroin. Nobody I don't even know. What if these kids were? If they're under. Twenty one right touching on adolescent cannabis use the rise in adolescent cannabis. Use is not tied. Hi to herbal cannabis. It's a lot of it is vaporized vape pens and that's one of the way they package it come on these. Big Black manufactures assures every single. One of them is geared towards younger people. If you got one that's not I dare you to send it in my email. Yeah I've never seen it I saw one of them's like a sour patch. Kids rip-off all the packaging and things a rip off everything from Cookie Monster Monster Tomorrow. Yep To serial characters right yeah all rip off and it's terrible will it is. It's it's really. You think you're honestly getting like safe. You get a cart. That has the free pebbles logo right and it's a fruity. Pebbles was cart. Do you really think you're get 'cause if you really think you're getting pretty pebbles even on even if you bought three of those cards but it's three different kinds of product right. Yeah we can't push back any further than it is now lead. People are still falling for black market. No yeah exactly. I mean we need to be really careful about how we respond to this issue in general and obviously there's GonNa be a huge push for a ban. I mean trump has already said that they should be banned. Kate Brown governor here in Oregon is is considering that to Getting requests for that Yeah I just I I think the focus needs to be on How do we? How do we ensure that the products that people are receiving an illegal market cricket are of a known quality? And how do we drive people towards those markets and away from the black markets and the way to do that is not through banning no never has never has that effect no and actual factual education not not political education. Not Agenda whatever the word is education but education is based on the latest. Best facts. We you have other than that. You can't do much 'cause we have a lot of bigger healthcare's besides vape carts right. I mean if you look at the bottom line numbers just just smoking in general kills hundreds of thousands more people right and it's a huge healthcare. But we're not banning cigarettes right. We're not to mention like off label pharmaceutical the US any even there's goes on and on. Yeah all all sorts of we've also learned history with cannabis and alcohol and pretty much any other substance that Prohibition does not work especially when you go back and forth. Oh right just pisses people off well and consider why why some people are using vape pens it. You know. It's not all young people letter trying to blow huge clouds of vapour and you know essentially get high discreetly in public that right you know. It's also a lot of folks. What's that can't smoke or we don't want to give up once again right now? My mom has never been a smoker right till legalization and cartridges and now she uses one to take one hit at night to go to sleep right exactly. Yeah essentially a real medical use it nothing recreational and it's her form that allows her her to do it She doesn't want to eat edibles. Yeah she doesn't want to smoke. Yeah and that's that's a lot of older crowd are going to be exactly exactly appealing. Yeah and and so now we're talking about potentially taking that method of administration away. You know I'm never a fan of reactive. Active behavior alike responsive behavior like you know intentional. Response not a knee jerk reaction to a problem. But but that's that's hard sometimes for people to accept because they want something done now. They want something done now. That things to continue and politically you know. Politicians are under a lot of pressure to act. And you know I don't I don't necessarily think that's the best way I think you know. Sometimes you might have to let things continue as they're going collect more information. Try to understand what the situation really is and then figure out how to adjust the system To minimize this risk. Another thing is like doc. We can't avoid all risks With anything that were you know that we're encountering in life. It's it's it's a balance like we can make things safer but you can never make things totally safe and you definitely are not going to make things totally safe through prohibition. Yeah I just I just any. It's anybody's listening to this. That has any power whatsoever. I just doubtful I. Yeah I know but to everyone listening you know. Talk to hear your representatives and and everything in and let them know like we've got to be really careful about how we react to this. We gotta move forward not backwards and you know in my mind I wanNA see producers moving more towards GNP and taking pride in quality and Doing testing above and beyond what's required improve safety and use that as a marketing tool to stand out among a really crowded room and on another side you know the FDA's trying to catch up to the some of the stuff because these things were already a concern. When e six hit the market you know each use all the nicotine based e cigarette stuff was this was getting really popular and said the FDA just this year? I mean and I'm talking like maybe a month or two ago put together some information about additives. That you know can't be in some of these products and that's that's GonNa be a list that will continue to grow as more information known and that list will certainly certainly be extended to cannabis products as well not just a nicotine thing It looks like that. We're pretty much if we go. If we D- schedule or reschedule The FDA is going to have the. Yeah I mean it's of the control. The I mean every everything thing that we consume whether it be the dietary supplements cosmetics pharmaceuticals the FDA regulates the the main thing thing when it comes to to talk about the FDA as you know there are basic rules set up about how Product manufacturing should happen. How marketing you should happen? Packaging all these different things and regardless of the federal legal status of something you still ought ought to be looking at those rules and following them. I mean that's what a lot of the consulting that I do is about is sort of enlightening people able to that like. Are you aware that you know if you're making food like regardless you still have to follow this I mean the ODA in the hip market. It If you're making a him infused edible a CD product or whatever for anyone that's been through an od a safety inspection Food Safety Inspection Affection. You've maybe heard your Your inspector. Say This but you know they require you to meet. GNP requirements admits that the FDA sets in the state of Oregon enforces those federal rules and make their state rules To partner with those and sometimes go above and beyond at clarity expanded definitions and stuff. But it's you know this this isn't something where you can say. Oh Oh well. It's federally illegal and you know I'm in a state where it's legal so I don't have to worry about the FDA like no you still do And the state will enforce that when they have the resources to the problem. Is that a lot of government agencies and all these states are stretched thin and don't have a lot of resources to do enforcement that's not GonNa last forever. We know what the industry should do could do can do but as consumers. We obviously can't rely on now. Yeah so let's talk real quick was with how you know some common some just safety practices that we can do consumers I do know this I know with cartridges especially the THC THC CBD cartridges a lot of these now producers offer They don't have to put any kind of cut in there so so like arrive Resin Rosin cartridges. There's there there are options that do not have anything but the concentrated material right. Well yeah I mean it's it's hard. There's only so much you can do. And and there's no foolproof way of navigating these waters. But you know the first thing is avoid vape eight pins on the black market for sure. I should have said that I like that. I just assume that great basic- one got to be hard for illegal states though. Yeah I get that because they are I mean I could list a million different advantages to them and a handful disadvantages pretty significant but I just a handful and You know for illegal state I mean I. I can see how it'd be even for kids you know what if I was seventeen again I had a cartridge. Yeah I can hit in my bedroom. Damn kids better do this and I can hit a karsh. My bedroom and my parents most likely would never smell it right. Come on man I mean and then you being marketed to. It's it's gotta be brutal. Yeah but you got. That's it's it's until we know until you're legal. It's bizarre for me to think about because these are things that that when I was growing up You know these weren't options. Didn't exist right and um so I can only imagine what Teenagers and young adults are are are dealing with now as far as All of those temptations and everything. But you know I think obviously avoiding the black market stuff and you know. And that's it's hard but I think Y- if you're in a legal state Trying to understand and how a dispensary is vetting the the businesses that they choose to work with I think is is good to try to you know. Sometimes you can sniff out bullshit easily and sometimes oftentimes the dispensaries that are trying to go above and beyond into to identify good suppliers. Do the right thing you know. Yeah they might slip up here and there and they're always learning but you can usually tell the ones that are trying to do good work and I'm trying to look out for their consumers in the ones that really could care less I think that's a small thing that could be done. Just having some basic conversations will on part of knowing the person behind the product or the group. The company is that you're going to have brands that stick out. And then you're you'd be able to stick with you know that you can stick with that right and I've some comfort. Yeah and then you know like I said trying to vet out producers and trying to understand Dan what their quality standards are what they're doing to manage the quality of their products. And you know these days you can with all of this coming to the forefront front of everyone's minds you can ask you know this cut with anything once again like he could get response. It's not honest in you know there's only so much you can you can do about that You know one thing I would say is if you're using a vape pen and it tastes funny Whereas not sitting right with view don't continue to use it I've had some funky flavors come out of cartridges to yeah just stuff that your body just right away says nope? Yep Ah yeah in with another two. That too is when you're when you're trying a new brand honestly just with any new cartridge Sort of like the start low. Go slow kind of model but you know take small drags and sort of taste it and make sure it seems. Okay that being said you you may not taste bad contaminant in there but it you know it is you know one thing you can try to do to try to catch some of that stuff. Pay Attention. Engine Hacker Body's reacting to things. Some simple to throw into. If you have an adjustable battery use it oh you don't have to have. It cranked up to the top notch. That's a really good point. Low temperatures reduce it. You're going to get a bit better flavor and you know it's you don't need to choke and die. Yeah it's not worth it to to get high. The only thing is I mean. You don't need to do these. Huge drags where you're limiting your lungs. Exposure exposure to oxygen for long periods of time just see can blow out these huge clouds of vapour. And I mean be aware that any time you're filling your lungs with something other than air That's a problem You don't want to get carbon monoxide poisoning Much less exposure to other do things Just to play around with with vaping. It's just not worth it You know so kind of summarizing memorizing pay attention to your body smell something funky taste something. Funky don't use it. Use start off with small drags tasted you. You know I would also be careful when you're starting to get towards the end of a vape pen and I've noticed this starts to change. It will not the flavor but at the end it it depends on the cartridge And what components are in the cartridge. Those arts tastes little metallic to it can And depending on whether it's if it's a cheap cartridge sometimes you have things that will start to Combustion vaporized that are components of the vape cartridge. That you definitely do not send out basically basically right breaking down and so you know to be safe you might have to sacrifice the last bit of oil that's in your your vape pen And and just go ahead and get another one when it starts to get lo- You know another thing is try to understand if you are an illegal state that requires testing understand those testing rules and how products are being tested. You know is an extract being tested before it goes into the vape cartridge or after her. Those like I mentioned just talking about the differences between Oregon and California. That's a huge difference. California requires testing extract. After it's in the cartridge. Oregon requires testing testing the extra. Before it goes in the cartridge. You're much more likely to find contaminants that are gonNA affect the consumer in California's models than Oregon's model. So you know. I think that's that's important to understand so like even if you see a sea avai it looks good. Well yeah was that oil tested before it ever went into the cart. I mean I mean that's important to know that's a big thing. I'm glad you brought that up. That's a huge thing is attested in a car out the car before the cart. That's a huge deal right. Yeah You know so. That's also often wonder what people add to it. Anyway if you've got a black market car or are people making their own carts. It's possible I can go online to these places that sell vape pens the stuff and you can buy you can buy cartridge pins that are refillable right for yourself. Yeah so I mean you know. That's yeah I mean. Ideally you'd like to understand stand the quality of the cartridge itself and And then in some other things to this to it it's best to use a battery that is designed for are the cartridge Because you can have issues too much voltage goater and so then you get into temperature Issues that way to things burning too hot or whatever boone who knows what the resistance of the coil in there right. Yeah absolutely changed And you know it's become kind of common these days people really sensitive about that issue early on and now people mix mix and match carts and batteries stuff all the time and to an extent. It's it's not a big deal you just have to usually. I don't know if you if you use vape pens enough if you start to notice the different cartridges and the styles and and you can start to understand what typically goes with what Keep things properly matched up and you know honestly some of there might be some things have missed. But that's some of the big stuff that result consumers could do. You could get into the weeds of trying trying to understand producer methods. No I you know. We've mentioned before New Brown. Frown is apparently going to be these cards right. Well you know we've mentioned before we're spoiled here in Oregon as far as The availability of of different options. You know if you are in a state where like Oregon where it's legal or medical legal legal or whatever and you have choices that's that's a pretty awesome opportunity and you know go for the highest quality you can. I mean you you know. We're talking about your health. That's what I mean. You know the value that you want to put on your health is what you need to put into that candidate right sure. Yeah and it's a good starting point. So curious about cannabis curious about cannabis season one. It's going to be coming Coming up Halloween is that what in the week of Halloween. It'll probably be that Monday or Tuesday of a week of October. Wait Man I'm being. I'm excited I did. I'm nervous really nervous but excited to finally build up you know when I started. I just jumped into a damn thing about us. Well you've I got like two downloads. The first week was well. You've been out to instrumental in in coaching me. Through some of that have learned a lot from working with you and I appreciate that that Mardi learning stuff back good. Yeah reciprocal. That's awesome and it's really nice to have somebody that knows what you go through. Yeah either behind the scenes and you know no one else. Yeah I mean. They're just think you put out a simple episode at the weekly fill. Like there's maybe like a mix it sonus sewed ed or something. We should make some time to tell some of the funny stories that we've run into trying to make a podcast. Oh that'd be great also too. I'm I've got all these clips I'm saving all Just like you know yeah. I'm also I'm wondering if I'm not going to get a full real clip of like all. These cars motorcycles cycles Roofer make up a whole Promo clip of just my all all the CAM interrupting noise. Oh yeah yeah exactly. It's man and it is. It is an interesting ride but I'm doing it like I said I'm already already working on season two or you're obligated. Now we got Tober. PUT It out there. It's happening So that first week I'll I'll be putting out Probably a couple of roads is not a few just to introduce it at will probably be one or two episodes in one or two behind the scenes interviews and and then they'll be clips and things on the youtube channel too so if you haven't checked out the curious about cannabis youtube channel already look it up. You've got clips from interviews already clips from our Discussion That we had our our on. They're just little things to give

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Health & Fitness Fact Of The Day: The Pump - 20 Minute Fitness Episode #119

20 Minute Fitness

04:26 min | 1 year ago

Health & Fitness Fact Of The Day: The Pump - 20 Minute Fitness Episode #119

"Today I want to the pump. The pump asked feeling when you're in the gym. You're doing your beach. Waves and the blood is rushing muscles making up top top bigger than you normally do but is the pump important for building muscle. Welcome back to the twenty minute fitness sick around this word as I'm sure no word many people talking about chasing the pump before but is it all. It's cracked up to be before began thinking to us from the shape shape building a three D.. Forty studying scale and for more INFO you can head to shape scale dot com also. We are as an echo so just say Alexa. Play Health and fitness tax. Today by Twenty Minute Venice on you can hear all these short value packed episodes. See a muscle stale out there about to burst out of your skin. This known as the pump many blogs fitness gurus body. Liz will rave about this talking about. How is the key to building muscle? So if you don't get pump. Does this menu doing something wrong before we dive in further. I should said the pump is generally associated with lightweight high reps. However all you still can get a sufficient pump from using heavyweights and low reps but yet generally is associated with higher apps? Lou Wait and obviously like really slow controlled form when you're performing wing each movement so you can build muscle without getting a pump and it's far from the most important thing. You should be focused on but that it doesn't mean it is useless. What is the pump so when you can try it your muscles metabolic byproducts lactic acid build up in and around the cells and these substances contribute to the muscle pump a few different ways? Your body pumps more blood Q.. Muscles to carry these compounds away which makes your muscles swell and compounds pool. Water into the cells making them larger on the cells expand. They reduced the amount of blood ready. That's able to escape the muscle so the logic is toward a high intensity. Low Way Tie wraps Mace Better Palm. Because when you're lifting heavy usually have more rest time between each set your time to shuttle the Bible out of your body whilst institute doing and ways and short rest period this is causing a rapid buildup of these metabolic byproducts and a large spike in blood flow wall simultaneously. Making it harder for blood to escape hence why you have a better pub. So there's no doubt that you come build muscle with lightweights and higher wraps which as I said. People could pump training but as we talked about before the way to gain muscle mass s to each cowry sub to ensure your body has the necessary nutrients nutrients for grade from repair of muscles to progressively overload. Your muscles million you add volume will increase the wage. You'll using youtube show with adequate rest unaltered train in your muscles more frequently than let's say twenty four to forty eight hours because you don't want to stunt muscle grave by damaging them too much too many micro-toxins that have built back up again. So do they offer call comparisons of growing or building muscle. And it doesn't necessarily matter whether your purely doing heavy weight low repsol lightweight weight loss of Reps. You can grow your muscles by changing the pump. If you ensure you're doing the things I just mentioned and to be honest I would recommend having a balance of low weight high reps but also what is your sense of heavy resistance training so the pump pipe atrocities toletrating. But also you five by five. You'll you'll heavy resistance. Training compound movements movements keeping it balanced draw necessarily shoeing one direction. Obviously it is nice every now and again to get to pomp and feel like that's How you're gonNA live forever but sadly has a serious our so laid off to the gym? That pump is going to go down to be back to life. You yourself how you normally look. Yeah the Col- components sleep progressive overload theresa to gain your muscle. Mass and keep sort of balanced training. Regimen will doing some heavy. They were some sort of lightweight. Were do not listen to people say when you get a pump on his higher gregory muscle. Obviously your mind to what we just sat about components of a building or growing muscle mass. I have clarified. What the pump is while you get on why it's not necessarily all it's cracked up to be but it can still they'll be useful so that's one for now? Who cut you very soon?

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E95: Is There Life After Mold? with Dr Lauren Tessier

Living with Lyme

58:47 min | 1 year ago

E95: Is There Life After Mold? with Dr Lauren Tessier

"Greetings this is Sydney Kennedy and I'd like to invite you to subscribe to the podcast series at www dot living with live the US. This will keep you up to date on all our new releases living with line. podcast maybe discussing very controversial topics is the information contained in these. PODCASTS are from the guests personal experiences and are their own opinions. These podcasts are intended for information. The opinions expressed are solely the guests zone. Please discuss treatment options with your personal healthcare providers before changing for adding treatments. Enjoy the PODCAST. Living with live is brought to you in part by Dr fired formulations a supplement company offering products such as Labor civil harvested life assemble Oregano oil. And the most patients can purchase without a prescription and practitioners can open a wholesale account and carry the products. It's an office to learn more visit. Dr Inspired formulations Dot Com. That's doctor it's fired. FORMULATIONS DOT COM. We'd also like to thank Hopkinton. Drug many people people have to be healthcare needs that mass produce pharmaceutical medications. Just can't meet. That's why more people turned hopkinton drugs of base counting and wellness pharmacy. Whether it's lime disease. Please fold illness thyroid. Hormone replacement. Therapy paediatrics dermatology. Hopkinton drugs specially trained and licensed pharmacists and create customized compounded medications occasions to the your specific needs shipping is available nationwide go to our x and health dot com. That's our ex and health DOT COM or call eight hundred four three nine forty four forty one this drug compounds with men. Hey everybody this is Cindy Kennedy and you're listening to another episode of living with Lime. I'm really excited and encouraged by our guest coming coming up today. Her name is Dr Loring tessier and she is from Vermont. She is a mold expert and we are learning more and more about out environmental as well as our food sources that have mold in it and how it can make us pretty sick She's a licensed naturopathic paths and she is the vice president of icy E. A.. I shall tell us what that means and she is Also yeah she wrote the book which is really exciting. It's mold prevention one on one. So she's GonNa talk to us. She's a incredible speaker. She's been All around the nation and so we're really excited to have her today high. Lauren how are you today. I'm great thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here today. Probably just as excited as you are all my God while you are. You know. You're an expert in this field and you're very very a young so we're going to have you around a long long time and Until people see this video She has a little. It'll poster behind her. It is eliminating whining and complaining and frowning and you can only give hugs and what was the other part of it. Morm- fuzzies a warm fuzzies. We love that I mean really. It's no more because it's it's difficult so you know let's let's get right into it. How does mold and why does mauled affect our energy level? Of course. That's a good question going to come out swinging so so with regards to energy level we have to step back in a really consider how it comes about or how it can be impacted. Energy levels are just a function of sleep right ensure everyone who's listening is nodding their head right now. They're like yeah which is so just deep and profound into the the core and as a result of that ad or potentially Where we're looking at lots of different things that could cause fatigue so When I think about teague in dialogue with the T.G.I.F my clients we're thinking about decreased oxygenation of your tissue So if you can't carry oxygen while you're not GonNa get oxygen where it's being. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to get your energy going There's issues Mitochondria functioning little powerhouses of their sell their damaged or they're not being fully supported. We're GONNA have energy problems there If if we're having issues nutritionally with our macronutrients are proteins. CARBS are fast and our micronutrients are vitamins and trace minerals. That's that's GonNa be another source of teague. And then of course we have neuro transmitter imbalance you know so your Serotonin and your dopamine those are out of whack. You can have averages with big and then of course to further complicate things Issues with you know other hormones in our transmitters like histamine so histamine is a hormone in it. Access our transmitter. At we know that Histamine could cause the amount of the tea because it has that ability to cross Fair and so anything else. That's in the body. That's the result inflammation. I can cross that. Blood brain barrier can result on a wad of different fatigue like symptoms. And where does mold play into. This is it. Is it the one thing that gets into our the system and we lose our ability to oxygenates tissues well it kind of impacts. The Mitochondria will function as well. Whereas does it play a role in our absorption of nutrients olive day? Above all later. You have to be here. You know what I'll just check check. I'm asking the questions you know. It's it's it's a good thing to know so it really it really impacts us on multiple levels Komo triple levels and you know I'm a big research. NERD is spent in fact this morning before we helped on the call together. I was putting together a article that in writing That'll probably be out in the beginning of next year that'll be about endocrine disruption And how mycotoxin toxins are wreaking havoc on our hormonal system. But anyway so I'm a big research nerd so everything that I'm saying is not speculation. It's really just coming out of the deep long research time. So when you step back and think about the league to start off we know that People with chronic fatigue syndromes about thirty percent of these folks have been reported to have Mike of Toxins found in their urine and and that's pretty phenomenal. That's just about one third of these people And then further people with chronic fatigue syndrome experience a Post exertion Malays so after exercise and then Malays at like tired only so about forty percent of people will get post. Exertion delays induced from mold exposure. So wow I you know. It's funny because when I when I was really Finally finding someone that helped me with my line diagnosis. I said to him I I had. This is the last Straw. I can't get through a yoga class while I can make get through it. But after I'm crawling and he said we'll yoga's really hard. I'm like well no no. He's never taken Vin Jasa flow class. Where is just kinda gentle stretching stretching and whatnot but I understand that I understand that and know what people have gone through with that and it's just so crazy to hear you stay that a Well Yoga's heart. It's like well. Yeah but then I have clients who are coming in as well. That's part of aging. I don't like that. I don't like that answer here. I bet at the age of like you know late. Thirties forties fifties even six. Say I have some vibrant sixteen year olds. who have come in with severe brain boggs teague almost like a pre Alzheimer's diagnosis says we managed to figure out what the issue is in their home? We get madam old exposure. We go through a few different treatments and they're just back to it. Sharpe's has ever you know in not to say that. There isn't some Alzheimer's disease. That isn't due to mold or I am not making that claim that there's aging doesn't have to be Are Doesn't look like that. Yeah Yeah you don't want it to be difficult you know everybody says Oh. Don't you WanNa live to the ripe old age of you know one hundred will not if I'm not functioning. We you know as a family discussion. We were trying to decide on an individual basis. Would it be better for your body to start not functioning well and your mind being attacked or the opposite and yeah. I don't think anybody it really ever decided which way would be. But I don't want to know that my mind is not functioning right rattle. Yeah that's that's is difficult so when it when it comes to this huge problem what do we tell people. Do We tell people bowl that they need to be aware of these symptoms that it possibly can be associated and you know one of the things that I do want to mention. The people with chronic sinusitis uses e that a lot. Oh Yeah Oh yeah absolutely People have chronic sinusitis SINU- sinus especially if it's been non responsive to antibiotics you WanNa believe the amount of people who comments my office and Bay have been to to H. EMT's over over the events of their primary care physician to come in there. On benadryl chicken sewn on. They're going through like numerous. I anti -biotics a year for non responsive chronic sinusitis. And it's like has anyone talk to you about maybe maybe using a nasal anti fungal. has anyone done an. MRI looks for what we call Fungal. Ball's actually what they call them on. Mri they will find small L.. Fungal balls which I love a Lotta the name of them but So you know bungle. Sinus itis is definitely something that POPs up for people. But that's not you know it's not just fungal sinusitis. That is a symptom for people. You know there's so many different Symptoms that'll pop up for people depending on the flavor of mulled illness that they have and to wrap everyone's head around What I mean by flavor of mold illness I there's four major types that I refer to? There's a couple of lights ones that hang out. In the periphery that are kind of harder to nail down home But you know in the evidence we see that there is fungal infections and then of course smuggled allergies that goes without saying that's like check Yup gotta allopathic oral degrees the other two. That are problematic for people that is more controversial title in the the Western Medicine allopathic ground. Is Mike Toxic. Assistance serves mycotoxin Costa Meaning Toxic overload burden due to the toxins from malls so micro-toxins by go meaning fungi toxin toxin so mike toxicologists and then with sirs we have chronic inflammatory response syndrome. Where folks kind of we'll have this starting starting trigger? I call it the the the gasoline that gets caught on the fire to start the fire Burns Burns Burns. Gasoline Burns off within the fire keeps going so with sirs in that picture that gasoline could be be a bio toxin like micro-toxins. It could be them of the toxins put off from Bacteria like L. P. S.. Look upon Sak rides or are you know the day off from lime you name it so what happens is there's an initial not. There's an initial kind of toxic toxic storm that starts all inflammation in the body and sure the body might be able to pass it and cleric. But there's something wrong with this signal where the body just keeps throwing out that information so that's at picture of chronic inflammatory response syndrome will long said awards for can't turn off the inflammation so updo score the allergy the infection the mycotoxin and serves they all kind of have their own a different presentation symptoms and what to look for but some of them will overlap. You know so when you're thinking of Allergy think of respiratory stop you. Think of red is drawn nuys. Maybe some sinus pressure cough shortens the breadth that Typical triumph on. But then you go and you take a peek in stirs and we have all of that and then plus a loads of other things so the typical symptoms that I see a hands down in every case if I could have a nickel for every time I've seen it it's teagan brain fog. Yes like fatigue in brain fog with monkey on punky periodicity and what I mean that is people will say I go into work on Monday by is like three hours in. I can't focus. I have a headache forgetful. I go home at the end of the day. Like have to power through workweek and then Sunday. After I've been on the weekend for a couple of days I feel back to myself than I feel great again and then and I go into work and I get sick. People don't people just think it's like the work or the stress of the work and There's that periodicity that we see when a the multi exposure that is really profound symptom clients. So when I see that pop up with rain fog fatigue I know that we're likely likely dealing with something in the environment for people. And then it's up to me to figure out. You know infection colonization. The allergy is at the talks posters associates service. So how do you figure that out because people are like. Oh my God. I had like a test today. I figure that out. I mean everybody. get a nasal swab mycotoxin urine visual field test. I mean what. What's your protocol? Yes so I hate protocols. I'll be the first person to tell you that there is no. Oh Room for dogmatism in medicine and if someone tells you that they have a protocol run for the hill everyone is different. And and there's no absolutes in this world and so to really Double Down and push on a protocol. I understand people's want and drive to Jewett but understand that there has to be flexibility in it. And that's that's just the reality of it so when working with clients now I have to be careful not to say the word protocol. Now that I put in my mouth I don't I don't have no what. Tell me what you like to do this right right. I might do that so I do. I have this little kind of decision tree in my have have in different people. Kinda come in in different spots along that decision tree. So maybe someone who's worked with a lime doctor for you know years before and they'd been including free and dairy free and all the and they done it all they kind of fast track and to me So a lot of it usually. Let's let's just assume everyone's kind of done that base work because honestly most of my clients are familiar with you. Know the whole alternative holistic round. They've seen scene like five ten fifteen practitioners so they've gone through it already. You know So usually the first thing that I do with people. is June assessment of Mir micro-toxins. And the reason why is my goal is to be very Financially responsible responsible and prudent with my clients. So what I have and of reasons out is if we go through and we'd do a urine mycotoxin tests and we see if you're elevated or not elevated and we compare that with potential exposures whether that's at work that's at home and we work on that basic level erse. Why do people get better? especially if they really adhere and they really avoid probably like fifty percent my clients get better Dr. So it's after that initial kind of low hanging fruit I call it. We push that out of the way and then we go onto the next thing. The next thing would eventually be working with sirs chronic inflammatory response syndrome. Are you still sick even though we completely the detox you now and you're out of exposure okay. Let's work on adjusting your inflammation Anne. We kind of go from there now with regards hard to the urine mycotoxin so people will be like well. You mentioned micro-toxins you mentioned. Sarah's what about allergy or infection or calms as breath I consider infection and colonization. Kind of in the first half micro-toxins mycotoxin tactic come from somewhere. They can come from your your environment or they can come from your internal environment so you look outside and inside when you're dealing with those micro-toxins so if someone really clearly has a very toxic environment we've tested. They have mold growth in their home. Well guess what we're going to look there first but someone on who has a high in mycotoxin burden and their whole ms like tested clean. We've had people in we've gone through. We're going to start. Consider how they might be inoculated inside side which really sets me apart from other physicians. Who are doing a lot of mold where there's some folks out there that say when you see a urine mycotoxin level you you could come on anti fungal and I can't get with that? I think that there's a time and place for Anti Fungal so it can be really rough on the liver some of them And and you you need to use them carefully you know. We put hundreds of thousands of tons and that is once again cited by research summoner manure about that hundreds of thousands of tons of as Sol's every year on our crops Israel's our anti fungal and these agricultural as are totally related to the medical is almost to the point that the literature shows that people who are as all naive the meeting that they haven't actually taken the anti uncle who are farmhands have resistance to medical is so they're exposed in the field to two eight Sol's they develop a fungal infection and then when we try to treat them in a medical setting their resisted. So I don't see see the good it does for me to just reflexively Give someone ends bungles when I see an elevated urine mycotoxin test A I don't know if it's GonNa make a difference and be. I don't know who I'm taking that. Life saving medication away from in the years to come because of resistance. So I'm a huge believer in anti fungal stewardship and being very cautious and very using logic and reason judicious yes yes very judicious in my use. So if you're not using using a pharmacologic treatment what what do you find has been the most helpful to you. Is it a combination therapy of herbal single herb. I mean are you using if find that. They've got this sinusitis. Are you using a some type of herbal nasal Clinton thing I mean. Are you sure like I've seen recently that you know people use colloidal silver for sinuses. What what are you lake? Yeah so before you can really put someone on an on an anti anything right. You need to think about where the bug is as in the nose is in the gut is it in the vagina. China like where where is the fungus. That's causing all the issues. And depending on that then we go a step further and we consider what the best Treatment delivery. Is You know if I can get a positive culture if I can actually get someone to cough up something out of their lungs and ship it off and get it cultured I love to run a culture and sensitivity on that so I can see if there is any a anti bungles of that could be of use if we need to go there and then we can confirm the issue and the location so There are natural gives to to everything you know. A lot of our anti fungal allies in the plant world are You know Oregano time. Royal topically garlic You know the list goes on and on but then we have some really cool herbs that go in and modify the the funguses ability to achieve resistance to some of these drugs when we pair it so I read There's some research out there that Pairs Greens he extract with flu console to decrease resistance. And do I use that sometimes. Sure are there other times where I I will use something like Bio Sidon absolutely You know for some time if we do have a nasal issue for people. It's not not uncommon for me to try to do some type of you know Netti pot nasal bio sided rents followed by some probiotics and maybe even with they A nasal restore something like that. So the goal is to kind of go in and burn the fields. You know the goal is to kind of go in maybe wheat fields all in all but then also replant and re unoccupied so anywhere that you're going in and breath clearing out fungi. All that kind of stuff you need to make sure that your repopulating with good and beneficial bacteria to kind of choke Out that niche so that fungus can't hold their anymore In addition when you're working with fungi you really need to make sure it just like lying that you're using Bioko okay busters if you're not using bio combustion You're you're essentially handing over resistance to those folks so what are what are your thoughts on. biofilm busters like what are what are you finding because there are several you know in that category on many yet. What do you like? Do you like the like I'm trying to think is grape seed oil or you know what what are you finding that that's helpful to you L.. As a good one in There's a combo products out they are that has La Black Cumin human and bismuth. That's really really phenomenal for folks that was developed by one of my mentors Dr Paul Anderson. He's absolutely phenomenal and people don't follow his work they they really. Should I get right Anderson yet. Dr Paul Anderson. In fact he's having a Oncology conference this weekend in Seattle called the eight a m he M. as in Mary P. S. P. Paul He also co authored. The book Outside the box. Cancer Therapies Absolutely amazing and he's Yeah he's great so he formulated one of those Bio Dome products that I like using and of course you know it's not just the La it's not just the black human seed it's not NEC- is huge pile film. Buster a lot of our digestive enzymes or take on an empty stomach could theoretically be used as biofilm busters pet today since another one. I mean the list goes on and an on but you just WanNa make sure that you're arming and equipping people with Right when right Kea do just part of it. Yeah and while we're at it while are and having people on viner having people on a fighter if you're gonNA kill you need to do a binary of some sort and there's lots against so many good binders out there I used to be the the the Chola Star mean is the best I can. And you know when you know better you do better and The whole star mean forums for times a day. If you WANNA make really sensitive people sick shore do it you know but I just I. I can't do that. I am so cautious now even before quitting people on binders because thereby Knocked people for a loop even just beyond the Gi upset of Cola Star. Arming you know. I've seen charcoal cause liver pain being unlimited discomfort kind of like a liver stagnation You know it's Really dependent on the individual person. So while you're doing some type of Kill Protocol you really need to make sure that you have those binders on hand. Kind of staggered away. from the time that you're doing wing those deliveries along. Do people need to be treated for. Depends on what they have and depends on how severe you know. How would you know that your area that you're treating is actually resolved? I mean you could do testing again but again you know mycotoxin test His three hundred dollars. If someone doesn't WanNa do that again I I. It's hard to say because sometimes you do treatment on a certain issue and they're great and then boom they're not great and then you wonder. Oh was it do we not limited enough. I see it like a relay rice. I with these medications are doing and I'm not a good runner so let's just get that out of everyone's mind right now. I see as really. I'm starting offer people. Well and we are you know Henning the Anti Fungal the Batat or heading the antifungal whatever. It may be the batons to do the first slap at the race and then after that. We're hoping that we have recovered. The person well enough that that trade off will be need their own macrobiotics stepping up to help fight that their own immune system as a stepping up to help carry that next leg of the race And you know every now and then you have to double back there some people when you take them off Kill Protocol they might fax slide a little bit And there's something to to be said about Treating or long enough that sometimes you don't know until you take someone of something Or sometimes times it. It is long enough but their immune system just isn't kind of up to the task just quite yet and it's not Sansei fungal you you know. I see that with the antivirals shoe for people. I do a lot of work around the human herpes virus families the viruses Vira Epstein Barr Virus. HSE ONE HSBC less does on and on and on a usually start people on a cycle Vera Valet cyclope are on if they can handle it. Some sense of folks we can't handle it and Getting them on a different type of antibiotic product like an herb or nutraceutical. Subtypes are better tolerated. But you never really know who those people are going to be. I am so surprised. I have some of my most sensitive folks. I put them on an herb. They're done they're absolutely done for. I put them on a pharmaceutical and they do great great. So there's something to also take into consideration about the full profile of herb There are certain herbs that can be really really rough on the liver. And then you look out there Prescription counterpart so drug that does something similar and it. Sometimes The Times. In those cases it's better tolerated so herbs aren't always like the best the best thing to do we'd like to take a moment to thank our sponsors botanical. Medicines are an important part of the innovative Lime Disease Program Bio Sidon from biomedical research is a a professional strength broad based program that has been extensively researched for effectiveness has nutritional support in. Live and code affections asked her fictitious about bio Sidon. LSF AH visit Mayo. SIDON DOT COM master supplements specializes in robotic enzymes and fiber that support digestion. Their products provide results. That you can feel working. Take within sixty days or money back guarantee their staff is available to help you decide which products and programs are right for you. VISIT MASTER HYPHEN SUPPLEMENTS DOT COM or call. Eighteen ninety six to nine six one for more info. Let's let's talk a little bit about your you know. Food sources sources and how people can kind of inoculate their gut from food. Yeah so it's absolutely possible. It's gotTa get a nurse somewhere you know and the reality is it's happening for something that's enduring your mouth An fungi are huge. Part of our biofilm than our gut there there. We have a good amount of unidentifiable film on our teeth. Plaque anarchy In so whether at that inauguration of the gut is coming from food. It's coming from maybe the colonization bell or in our sinuses. It's coming in from somewhere upstream and it's like a river that's flowing downstream so Yeah and if it's a damp dark loving loving Mold that is that it has a certain level of forgiveness towards Ph meaning got to make it through the stomach and then make that the hype Small Intestine you know it can Theoretically get a hold really anywhere in the got and I think everyone everyone gets really excited or maybe used to has things coming on medicine Use Get real excited about CBO SIBA SIBA CBO and you know. Every time I tried ride treating CBO I just have people who were you know not really into bed or really. Didn't change anything. Unless of course we look into now Sepo oh Small Intestinal and Lo and behold in. Its that's a keen for some people. That's amazing that's amazing Recently I've learned a lot more about Coffee beans and and having a lot of of possibility. 'cause mold issues and so looking. It's very hard to find these companies that actually do some testing Zhang. I think I'm I have no attachment to any company but the two that I understand that do most testing is bulletproof and purity do any other companies that I there's a great company the That Mary Ackerley likes because their copy actually help stimulate A. B. which is a a nerve growth stimulating component and put it in their copy. It it's like the coffee. I believe they might do mycotoxin talks contests by you know. It's it's really a mycotoxin food and for people who are you know like she. She keeps saying micro-toxins. What the heck are these things? So to rewind and we probably should have back a half an hour ago. Hopefully people have stayed on. We Apologize Yard is kind of like when I used to sit around the table with any of my coworkers. co-workers like at a party and my husband was there and we would get into you know any type of medical talk in Lingo when he'd be sitting there Iranian haven't excluded dot dot dot Dot da Da okay so micro-toxins so mycotoxin are what we call metabolites of molds and so they're the super teeny teeny teeny teeny and if any nerds out there five hundred fifteen hundred daltons small to the point that they are point. Zero one zero three microns. meaning that they'll have breakthrough Filter So you know. They're hard to catch they're really hard to degrade so they really we. Also because they're so small and they are what we call a on a forex so they have a fat loving side and water loving side. I and because of that everyone remembers back to basic chemistry. Like dissolves like they can pass into out of cells Easley because they kind of do the water then they can do the fat thing so because of that house. They're so small. They hide out really well. In our bodies. They bio accumulate really well and from what we see a Bi accumulate ally with regards to Fatty tissue so nervous to some you know any type extra cushion Russian that we might have So they're they're really hard to get rid of two because Mike Toxins have this defense system where they Dick to grade some of our Luda thion so they use up our glutathione which is a huge thing that we use for detox wchs but then they go and they mess with the enzymes that allow us to have healthy amounts of ion and they also mess with enzymes that kind of control troll from even a step back from across the room so something like a and R F two. That's a little bit more upstream. So they they have have this beautiful way of getting in there and then being like you can't deal with me so it's kind of like some friends that I have the they're they're really hard to get rid of. And to the point that you know mycotoxin is really only started to be paid paid attention to in the nineteen sixties and mostly the research back then and even still now there's tons of research on aflatoxin. B One one which is a very potent mycotoxin and also has the ability to cause carcinoma. So also has the ability to customize cancer liver so the bulk of the research in the beginning was really on aflatoxin because they saw the risk and so as more research has come about we we actually see it in the animal sector so in our agricultural industry in the Electrical Industry Koska slept. That's where the money is annually about nine hundred thirty. Two million dollars are lost in the agricultural sector here because of Molten mycotoxin damage and so if we have the motivator of financial concern sern. Of course that's where all the research is going to be not for Jen. Who is at home? And you know Has has severe massive psychosis kick it out of bed and severely ill like. No one's GonNa do the research on that because JEN isn't nine hundred thirty million dollars. So the bulk of the research is really in agricultural finance sector and so with micro-toxins. There's a good amount of animal research and we have to remember. These are also the animals that we do all our initial drug studies on interesting because a lot of people abo- pay a lot of attention to veterinary research as late. Yeah but who would think you know we were look and this is one of the difficult tasks as a provider is to provide the undisputable research based on. What you're you're doing and what you're giving to people got actually when you're doing it you know nonconventional way because I want to know people you know? I had somebody anyone asked me. We're all the research from Dr Buehner. Unlike wealthier open up his book. You're gonNA find more research. I can't quote it. I'm the worst first quarter of research and statistics like I was going to tease you a little bit about your recent number that you quoted. 'cause I was going to say yeah I think at the he ended said point five but I read sense. I in sixty two cents. I know I know he can can you get gi. Yeah I Fungal as well as vaginal Fungal Problems from the environment is that like maybe your weakest flink that things have gotten through your tissue. Because you're saying they're water they're fat. They can provide both of those. We rephrase that question. Yeah I'm just wondering if if you're if you're testing positive for your micro-toxins in your urine he yep and you have a lot of environmental you know you're thinking environment is is the problem. Yeah can you Have Gi Fungal from that from the environment. Well as Vogel Badgen Itis the Shark for short so people don't put that together so is something that people wanna go digging on all my Social Media Liam most of my posts are are backfire research and On My instagram in particular. Its life after mold There is a picture of a washing machine. So if you see that one whole it up and there's a piece of research where There is resistant Candido curling washing machine. Oh yeah especially front loaders right. Oh yeah so. front-load is founded belt without the Dow. Front loaders so don't own them please. Sorry no how one of the the kicker here is the fact that you know. Let's let's say a woman Candied a Paris topless. Now I'm remembering specifically that's a mouthful and I might be pronouncing tink crackly. Let's say a woman has tested positive with a yeast infection of that particular species bay. You know wash rush their underwear with the rest of their clothing in in the a washing machine and then they go back in in. We know how close get every week every couple of weeks the same thing pops up I mean if your immune system is suppressed. Then you're you're you're microbiologists. Depressed enough hiccup theoretically be re unoccupied eating yourself if we know that it grows in the washing machine. Like am I gonNA get translated on clothes. So Yes I do see environmental issues Can take hold in the Gut And theoretically could take hold in in badge and other areas body to it's it's unfortunate because we have all of these orifices as well as you know snooty thickly this. This stuff just came out about her office office as a human it are a small segment of what our total microbiome consisting love so our genetics are what four times. We are what we are. It's insane it's insane and let what I'm just GONNA take this. I'm having so much fun in this interview by the way Take it a little bit more esoteric so not only are we mostly bacteria Korea DNA but our bodies and the nature of atoms in the way things are set up where mostly space we. We are mostly empty space from a chemical perspective. And so you know and I don't understand that explain that that just it threw me right off really back on the clue bus is I know what you're saying so if you are to take. Let's say this book. Let's say this book is like a solid piece of wood if you were to zoom in all the way to the atomic level of this book it's mostly empty space between the atoms. Okay so I I know it sounds a little title esoteric and a little out there also a little bit of a you know. I like reading about quantum quantum mechanics and all that kind of stuff. But you know it's it's the concept of the whole is not always what it seems so sure where mostly bacterial DNA. We are mostly physical goals space in our bodies so we also have to remember to honor these things so when someone comes in a NATO awhile I have a mold issue. Let's give him an anti fungal. It's like okay okay. Well what's happening with the micro Biota what's happening with even the energetics of the person the being of the person so we always need to take into consideration but the different hidden parts of the whole does that make sense. When I'm getting out there and yeah I do get it And I know you have a a little one and I'm just wondering if you read quantum physics at night I talk to you about how. How the outer core of mold spores so you you laugh but there is a great little children's book that's the ABC's of physics? And I think the Bee's stands for black hole. I'm yes so a the little bit of a nerd on that front to. Oh my God what you have to look forward to your future. You know I want I want to mention that the vice president of the IC EA. I and I said that we were going to tell people what that is. That is the drum roll. Please International Society of environmentally acquired illness. So we are a nonprofit and our goal is to educate physicians and about how to handle people who are sick from their environment and of course with our environment also considering chronic infections and success it comes from your environment We had our initial conference in May of last year and we had amazing names like Lawrence Ephron in in Horowitz and Nail Nathan Kelly McCann and all these really great people coming to talk And we we have an upcoming conference in October twenty twenty. That's really excited about the lineup. Is Starting to just look phenomenal too. So I was going to be that one is going to be in Scottsdale Arizona. Oh Scottsdale at its next year October. Twenty twenty twenty. October twenty twenty. I believe it's the tenter the thirteen. All right all right. You know I I think Dr Kelly McCann is an awesome resource as well. She's she did a podcast with me quite a while ago how and it was Gosh it was someone else's sent me to her but she's she's just as lovely so yeah. Yeah we'll have to. We'll have to have a spot of tea or something together in Kelly is on the board Kelly's on the board of I C I two and in fact she is. I mean Kelly is just an amazing physician. She's amazing lecture. She is an absolute powerhouse and she is like an integral part of planning are twenty twenty twenty conference so if this gets back to Kelly thank you for everything that you do cross try to remember what when I send you the link you can forward it to her and just do I know that you like Oh fifty Kennedy list of you know before we end here I really have to. You say there are some of my patients who have followed me through this journey I didn't share with them for a long time that I was not well and then when I started the podcast I said you know. Here's where you can find me. You know if you WANNA listen whatever so I do it people all that. Listen that are well. How do way stay well? How did these people? What kind of tips? What kind of little cues can you talk to people about in terms of trying to you know? Keep keep themselves healthy. Yeah that's a really good question and that's GonNa Flow you know I think listening to yourself and listening to your reactions into your environment are really the first thing that you have to pay attention for and beyond walking into a place and say oh. I got a headache. It's you know that Fat Barbara Man Shave. She really irks me and she is pushing boundaries and I can I just. I can't do it and what I mean to say either is really understanding and taking care of yourself and listening to the signals that you're body's giving you about any of the situations Sion's that you're being placed in and so That's really the core and then from that you can really rise to me. Those those Those concerns at your body's like yelling at you you know it's okay. Well I walked in here and I got a little bit of a headache. Maybe alcohol and take nick some charcoal and Glutathione and stretch and get arrested. You know I think that Self Care is GonNa Look Berry different for are everyone and I know self care for me. Looks a lot different from date today. Emphasize good nutrition. I emphasize how many spoons people have. Are you familiar with the concept of spoons and spudis. Now when I did see a poster one set says spooning leads to forking please use condiments okay. That's that's different Sony spoons. So there's a concept of Invisible chronic illness which lime falls into eds falls into pots falls into you. Name IT multi axis safehouse in shape and Someone came up with the concept of this visual of you have so many spoons throughout the day and each one of your tasks cost one soon and why it's a spoon. Yeah I don't know but it works And you have thirteen foods. So what are you going to give your energy to at the end of the day and so if someone comes instance May and we lovingly call them. Spoon is if someone comes into me and they they just don't I mean they can't sit up pariah anoc in a touch Taya you know I mean maybe ask them to eat a little bit more fat or maybe ask them to throw run a little bit more Greens but I am knocking rehaul and ship their diet. If I can't even you know there's such an estate of fighter flight Can't take a hair themselves also Yeah I mean if I had my way everyone would be. GMO The MO Craig licensed Free completely organic high fat high fiber moderate proceed. That would be like my goal goal for everyone but sometimes all you can do is get someone to be a piece of of bread. Because they don't don't have it in to prepare any food or do anything and you get the are you eventually get there and you cross it off your list But you know it's it's really a matter of the bandwith that you're starting West. Yeah people are not going to recover from mold illness overnight. It takes it time to get. They're probably right and take a long time to to recover when you see it. You've John I mean you chart in this mold old Realm you started in general primary care became infatuated with infatuated with absolutely infatuated with. Yeah I see recovery. Every day I call them I call it graduations in every now and NL announced him on my social media. Ahead another graduation today someone Help me get the hell out of my practice. You're good you're healthy healthy. Oh my God i Never WanNa see again but I also love. You'd appreciation her. I'm here but I love getting people better earn recovering them and it totally is possible. I mean even the my practice. It's named life after mold for a reason like sure. Maybe it will be the two to three years in your life where it was a dark time and you didn't think you could get through it and you just couldn't see the forest for the trees but dad is a chapter you guys have so much more of your bookstore right after that. That's very does so encouraging super super encouraging. And while we were chatting here I went in and started to follow you on instagram. So thank you got one more. Follow or you'll have to harass me. No I'll try to be really tell us Tell us again. We can find you at your social media so every single social media outlet twitter facebook and INSTAGRAM. It's all life after mold and my website is is also life after mold and If you go onto my website there's a couple of different ways as you can get a hold of the booklet for them. All you want to one there is a pop up when you first land but if you have a pop up blocker Somewhere in the top menu. Oh you'll see multidimensional one on one and you go sign up for an it'll get delivered to your email. That's great because I just asked about staying healthy and so there's probably a bunch of tips ups and there I will. I will use it. I'd like to see what I can grab out of that and put to good use. You know people like you that make reinventing the wheel Not needed because there are so many people that we can use as our you know who are mentors are and being an advocate for so many people who are not well so I thank you so much for being part of The living with lime series here. And you know you're in Waterbury Vermont and people need to find you. Those are all the ways that they can he needed and Look I curse people. Look Look Lauren up. Because he's all that and the cat's meow how and to make things easy for people we do in office. Medical appointments where people can be established with someone woman just kind of like General Coaching in general directive. We do offer that by phone for folks to yeah. That's that's really important. That's really important. Well everybody this is Dr Loren tessier and she is just an amazing mold expert and I want to encourage all to come back. Listen to our next podcast. We are getting close to number one hundred. Sh will leave a get there get there. Please come to my website. WWW DOT living with lime dot U. S.. Please subscribe is so that you will not miss out on a new release and I I encourage it. A comeback in be really Your own advocate. Because if you won't do it no one else well right. Yeah very important are right and this was a no whining zone because Dr Se. 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348: How to Minimize Your Exposure to Toxins & Effective Detox Protocols With Dr. Sandison From Neurohacker

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I'm here with Dr. Sandison who was the founder and the medical director of the North County Natural Medicine, and the founder of Maroma which is a residential care facility for the elderly. The recent wanted to have her on. She specializes in neuro, cognitive medicine and neuro hacking, and she's been trained to specifically address things that affect the brain like autism add depression anxiety. Anxiety Alzheimer's and she's a really unique system for doing that and in her elderly care facility is doing this with patience incredible results, so in this episode we talk about how you can minimize your exposure and how to effectively detox from the three big toxins as well as how to support your natural detox systems in the body so really fascinating and far-ranging episode without further Ado. Let's jump right head. Dr Heather Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me I am so excited to jump in with you and talk about different types of toxins, and how to effectively detox, but I also always love hearing the background with especially someone I've just met and went. Wait to talk to you so to start off. Can you explain a little bit about your background? And how you became a naturopathic doctor that specializes in this? Yeah, so I had my own personal health issues when I was an Undergrad. I was doing pre med, and then came up against, said autoimmune disease than as well as TM J I couldn't open my mouth even. Even enough to brush teeth, and so I went to the medical doctor, and had a horrible experience, and then I went to anyone who would listen I went to the dentist multiple dentist. I went to acupuncture. I went to psychiatrist psychologist to pretty much anyone who someone said might be able to help. And finally I ended up seeing dio. She was actually a duster, a doctor of osteopathic medicine and she and I chatted she did cranial secret work, and then said Hey. Have you ever heard of naturopathic medicine? If I could do it over again, but I would do, and so she turned me onto naturopathic medicine and when I heard. Just the perspective of naturopathic doctors and approach that they took to medicine, really looking at the cause of disease versus putting a band aid on it in the form of surgery or medication that had side effects I was like This is what I've been imagining for so long. I didn't realize it already existed. I didn't have to create it. Somebody else's thirty created this system of medicine, and so then at that point, it just became a matter of win. I would go to Naturopathic, not if Nice. Yeah and I think there's I would guess. Most listeners pretty well understand. When a naturopathic doctor dozen how that differs from other types of medicine, but can you just kind of give a little bit overview there as well absolutely, so we do the same four years of medical school, and we have step one boards after two years. Those first two years are deep dives into the biochemistry physiology. Anatomy! We have a gross lab where we have to accept. The Human Body added big exam that lasts for an entire day at the end of two years in at the end of four years we have. Multi Day exams to get to become licensed and the second set of two years in the four year medical program for us as different from a conventional medicine, and then instead of doing rotations, we are in a teaching clinic, and we're learning about modalities, things like hydrotherapy and herbal medicine, lots of nutrition lots of the foundations of health, and so instead of learning about surgery and delivering babies. We are in a clinic where we're talking to people about their diet and nutrition and lifestyle, and then we can also provide referrals to surgery. We can also write. Prescriptions were trained in. In licenses, primary care providers, but I've specialty is more in the lifestyle. Things can help prevent people from getting medications or potentially even helped him get off. Yeah, I think that's awesome. And that was a big part of my own puzzle piece early on after I, started having kids I had what I would eventually find out was hush. EMOTO's, but it took years, and I had been to many many doctors who tested I would guess what the standard of care tests were mainly. Just T. three remember what else they tested, but they wouldn't test antibodies or TSA wasn't. Wasn't until I found a naturopathic doctor that I was able to actually start figuring out what was wrong and working to correct it, and it blew me away to realize after being in the conventional medical model for so long and it being more just lab tests end prescriptive, and even being told by doctors, you know your diet doesn't really have any impact on your health than wait to work with naturopathic doctor and be asked about lifestyle and stress and food and sleep, and so many other factors, and that was when I was researching as well and learning just how? How intricately involved all those things are so I think for a lot of people, especially some with a complex health issue, finding a practitioner who's willing to look at all of those pieces super important, and I know from free searching for this interview that you have done a lot of research specifically in the area of toxins and and detox, and how to mitigate things like that, so let's start broad, and can you kind of explain that word encompasses a lot of things, but explain the nature of kind of what talks are and what's happening when they interact with their bodies. Yes? Firm I just take even one more step back so I talked about being really inspired to go into naturopathic medicine, because natural really value treating the cause of disease so complex chronic disease like Hoshimoto are a lot of what I treat, which is autism brain related things, Autism Alzheimer's even depression anxiety. These things all have there's a there's a cause if we if we look at the human body, it's a complex system and these chronic complex disease states come from. An imbalance and really any complex system right if it's the financial system, or if it's agricultural systems or whatever complex we're talking about. If there's a glitch in the system, it's usually because of an imbalance I would even go so far as always because of in imbalanced too much too little in the wrong place at the wrong time, and if we can help to correct that imbalance, the we can create. Create more harmony in the system so that it behaves better ready to hit you get more optimal functioned from it, and so the five things that I believe 'cause is complex connectivities really be distilled down to imbalance in these five areas, toxins, structure, stress nutrients, and then infections, and I've chosen to really dive deep into the toxins, and that's because from the conventional perspective like you discover your hushing motives journey. The conventional medicine they they completely ignore this inlets. It's extreme talks city right unless somebody's like swallowed a can of paint right like then they don't really want to hear about any of these long term, insidious kind of low level toxins that may be disturbing, certainly in different function. So I really feel like it's my responsibility to go deep into these toxins, because so many of my patients have been told that conventional medicine has nothing for them. They don't know why there's nothing that they can do. But they have all of this fatigue, headache or insomnia, autoimmune diseases coming up, and so, what can we do about that will from my perspective, there are essential cullen flavors like ice cream. There's three flavors of toxins and I. Look at them in these categories because it's what's easiest to test, so the first waiver is heavy metals. I tend to do that using provocations I. DO WANNA get? Some sort of provocation agents because we know what's in the over time, because some of these get stored. They're not alive, so they're not procreating. They don't get more and more and more in your system you unless you're consuming using so if you're ingesting heavy metal, either through eating copious amounts of fish, especially, the predatory fish things like shark tuna swordfish, though have high levels of heavy metals in them, and then the other way that people are exposed to metals in through their dental amalgams, and often getting them out is one of the highest orces of exposure in so doing that with identity really understands how to mitigate your. Your risk is important so heavy metals in micro-toxins micro-toxins are like heavy metals in not alive, so mike go is eastern mold, and it's the toxins that yeast or mold produce so again with that I tend to like to provoke, and there's a mentioning this advocation part because there is a disagreement in the field, so if you talk to different experts, some will want to provoke and others will not, but I might pattern is to do it. It's how I was trained in. It's the way I've done it for so long, but when I look at a lab I know what it means when when I've done it my way. to provoke with some good with some sweating. And you can do that from home. And then you collect urine and we can see how many micro-toxins are in your system or get a sense of how many mycotoxin your system and potentially even which type of mold created that Mycotoxin so? Sticky boy trickster, you may have heard of this. It's black mold that. Can Produce certain types of Mycotoxin He told me him. As a different type of produces different types of Mike Oh Toxins as Aspergillus or penicillins, so if that has been growing in office building, or in your bedroom or bathroom, a building or a room, you spend a considerable amount of time in than those micro-toxins can certainly accumulate in your system. And then this third flavor of toxin that we look for is the chemical toxins so I. Look Very about twenty of these in the lab test Iran again. We is a little bit of provocation through good sweat. And these. Actually. You've heard there's like Ab something thousand chemicals on the planet. At this point, we don't have all eighty thousand, but we get a sense of okay. What are the petrochemicals or the windsor associated with gasoline? In our, you know our burning fossil fuels. So what are the petrochemicals? What are the parabens? PCB's some of the things you might see me showing up in personal care products. Do you have a few? So we measure a few of the petrochemicals, a few of the PARABENS PC's? We measure glyphosate, which is what we think of as active ingredient in roundup, so pesticides herbicides miniature handle those, but certainly glyphosate, and then we can also look at things like styrene that comes from Steiner phone in chemicals that might be. Be. Associated with getting your nails done a lot. It's at a handful of these about twenty of them from different categories and for me, this is often very eye opening I have a patient who she just absolutely amazing very committed to organic nontoxic lifestyle in her home, and we ran this test because I couldn't figure out why she was so fatigued and sure enough after doing some digging after doing this test of the high are your. Why are your pesticides herbicides off the charts higher than anyone I had ever seen. And you're Ganic Diet, and she was like. Oh! I, do Iki Bonna, which is Japanese far-ranging, so this amazing woman she make for low income families. She creates these beautiful flower arrangements to send to the hospital for these people who are who have been hustling couldn't afford to get like a beautiful flower right so she does that two days a week. She volunteers and she's up to her elbows in the pesticides herbicides that we won't even spray on food, so we had no idea that this was going to pop. I had no idea to like. Ask You the question, right, do do do flower arranging. But when we ran the test, it popped up. It's a prize disposed, but she was unable to wear. Wear gloves. You know very simple intervention. That totally reduced to exposure. Amnon changed her symptoms. That's amazing. Yeah, I think it's important. That's why testing is so great to realize like who would have thought to even test for that. You know like finding those things that can make a big difference so understanding toxins I think like all of these inputs that can come in I've always thought of the analogy a little bit like a bucket. We all have a point at which things will overflow, and you can kind of put a lot of stuff in and whatever you put in eventually when you reach the top, it's going to overflow and something's going to happen. That's kind of how will we thought of SORTS OF TOPICS INS? And for my case, autoimmune disease that probably a lot of factors went into that for me like stress and exposure to certain environmental toxins and lack of sleep and poor diet and a lot of things, and then for me, it manifested in Hashimoto's that part of the equation seems different for everybody potentially. So, what are some ways that you see clinically? Overflow of toxins manifesting and people. You're absolutely right and you. You bring up such a great point. It's not only what's going out, but it's what's coming in in Iowa start with seventy five percent of environmental illness. Seventy five percent of my job is identifying what's coming in turning it off so turning I think of it like turning off the Faucet Philly not bucket. It's such a great analogy. How I see this manifesting. My this is my by of course, because this is what I do but I. Really think that everyone should be sort of evaluating what degree of toxins they're exposed to so looking at what's what is all this stuff? I put on my skin. What am I choosing to consume in terms of my diet? My my mom I had a baby about eighteen months ago. Nine mom showed up at my house for six weeks to help me and she had been complaining about. About her memory loss, so she was forgetting names that she would have never forgotten before she was having a write down. Gracious Douglas She's so good at missing appointments little things and she was at this point. She was just joking about it, but was scared. I could tell she was afraid that she was losing her mind, so she showed up at my house, and I, of course was adamant. There is not one thing that wasn't organic coming into my house, so. Every single thing in house was organic and she was not committed to that beforehand. So she showed up. We ate only really really good food. Because of course I had a newborn and my mom stop complaining about her memory loss. By the time she left just six weeks later, so things like environmental depression. Of course autoimmune disease. It's very hard to link them directly to exposure because it manifest in so many different ways toxins. They're ubiquitous in our environment. You cannot avoid all of them, but there are some certain things that you can't avoid certainly what you choose to consume in terms of food. What you choose to on your skin you can, you can change that You can educate yourself about that, so there are some things that we can change on others that we can't taking control of the things that we can change it, so important can have a profoundly impact on on our disease states in our wellness state. How good we feel! Even absolutely okay, so let's go deeper on that. I'd love to kind of delve into each of the three different types a little. Little bit more because I think they're not super well understood yet, or at least there seems to be a lot of confusion on some of them, and how were exposed and then how to undo the damage? If we've been exposed so let's start with heavy metals I. can you give us a little bit more detailed overview of what are considered heavy metals, and where are we most commonly interacting with these? Yeah, absolutely set the big ones that you want to be. Most afraid of our lead in mercury, and these tend to be very narrow toxic, so lead like you've. Everyone's heard of Flint Michigan in how they were led in the in the water that lead to lower issues rate in in the children who are exposed to this is really really really important that we're not exposed to let let used to be in paint and in the seventies that was outlawed so that that no longer happens, but if you live in old house, it's not that I think people became the walls about. Every time you open or close a door, open or close a window. It's the RUB that friction that's created that can release a little bit of paint particle into the air, and then you can breathe it in so lead also can come from. Someone, who makes jewellery, or if you are somehow exposed through some industrial process? Right if you're working on cars are. Welding the most people aren't exposed at high levels unless it ends up in the water. At least not now now I will say that people who were raised overseas because led out of the fuel out of the gasoline, also in the seventies, but it tended to stay around in central, American Indian in more the Third World countries. It was in the fuel for longer, and so i. have patients were in the sixties and seventies, and they have very high levels if they were raised in another country, and some people also of that generation were raised in the US. And then mercury like I had mentioned before usually fish, and then also the metal albums in the mouth. And then, unfortunately coal power plants, they produce mercury as well so it can be in the air. That's one of those things we just don't have control over. Cadmium is another big win, and that tends to come from cigarette smoking, and those are kind of the three big ones. Aluminum Tin. Those come up with Gadolinium is a heavy metal that found if you get a lot of 'em, are is is in contrast die, and so I'll see people with really high levels of that. They've had a lot of orthopedic. Mr Is and then getting rid of those really all of us in terms of getting rid of the heavy metals you. WOULD YOU WANNA? Do is open up your among. Among Gary's is the fancy naturopathic word for Oregon's of elimination in their five organs of elimination your liver owls. Kidneys lungs and skin and Lintz and I would love to go into the details of how to support each of those. Yeah, absolutely I think that's such. An important part to understand is that the body has channels to detoxify and how we can support that at and for people listening, thinking like okay I. Don't think heavy metals are issue for me I like the you went into. There are common sources of exposure and I actually had an uncommon one ended up being part of my puzzle piece, which was in high school I worked in a stain glass shop and I didn't even think about the fact that the metal that we used between. Between the pieces of stained glass, and then the stuff that we would melt to make those stick together had lead in it. That was something I had to deal with as part of my own health journey yet walk us through how support all the different organs in that detox system? If you make such a great point, I ask people about their hobbies, not only because of my patient who was doing the fire engine, but also ceramics and the glazes often had lead in them, so stained glass glassblowing jewellery, making some of these really fun. Creative wonderful hobbies can re two exposures at. We're not savvy about what what's in these things. So the among. The Nobel wet your flavor of toxin is that you potentially been exposed to of course identify it want to be able to identify it and get specific about how we get it out, but opening these among juries in supporting these arguments of elimination really is something that anyone can do so the lungs detox breath work. There are lots of. Yoga breathing yoga breath, practices there online support. That will take you through different breathing practices that help you to detoxify rate if a cop pulled somebody over for driving funny. On a Friday night, they are going to do a breathalyzer. Because one of the ways that we get rid of the toxins that we produce through drinking, alcohol is by breathing out. So this is true for many toxins, and we sort of forget I think that we can get rid of so much through lungs. And it is certainly a pathway. Take advantage of now. The flip side of that is that we can certainly inhale a lot of toxin so. When a bitch, cheapest interventions of the best interventions is open your doors and windows in your house for at least an hour a day, and if possible, open the window of your office, the indoor air quality, it's kind of A. Pool. Versus, the ocean. There's so much more air outside. That is diluted of all of these toxins. So if you can open the windows, let fresh air come in and dilute the indoor air. You're going to increase the air quality now, of course if you're if you live work right on top of a freeway than that's not gonna work as well, but most most of us. If we opened the doors and windows, we can really increase the indoor air quality. So what we're reading in again, we can reduce the particular county. Not The editor thing that you can do if you're is particularly. If you're concerned about indoor air, quality is, you can get an air filter, and so I've had lots of patients whose Symptoms have improved just by adding an air filter an I, don't they? Don't pay me, but my favorite one is the juicy multi issue. I really think that's a very high quality. When there's a lot out there that very expensive in the don't work very well, so when given the opportunity to determine people onto that one because it, it works so that's the lungs some ways that we can really increase our ability to detox to lungs as one take lesson, and then to detox breath work. The kidneys certainly water, water, water, water, water, and minerals, so having enough electrolytes in your system. I don't recommend distilled water doesn't have enough of those minerals in but good high-quality spring water, and even having your water tested I live in San Diego. Where at the end of the Colorado River, don't have fabulous water quality you for what's coming out of the TAP, but we do have access to great spring water, so I recommend that people drink good high quality mineral water that is out of glass, ceramic or stainless, not out of plastic in particularly those soft plastic bottles are that have been sitting in the sun. That is a recipe for ingesting a lot of plastic chemicals, so definitely avoid those. Drinking plenty of water, and if you don't have water than adding a little bit of lemon, adding a bit of Minter, cucumber or something that makes it. More flavorful for you in detail, tease of course can be very very helpful to. Danny are good for both the kidneys and liver so adding that tear routine. You very very helpful. so that lungs kidneys liver so great thanks for deliver recently Dandelions, milk enemy need all of those good nutrients to help the liver to detoxify so delivered all of its wisdom. If we don't have enough of the nutrients that are necessary for states to detox, the liver will slow down phase, one detox and Mrs because. Alcohol again! It's a really good example. When we drink a glass of wine or something, it goes to deliver deliver converted in phase one in phase, one detox into Seattle to hide, not exceed allowed to hide is what makes us hung over? That's actually more toxic. The toxin wine that we I consumed, and so the liver. It is just blows my mind this divine design. It's so incredible. The liver stops phase one detox. If we don't have all the nutrients that are necessary to get that Acetyl L. to hide that toxic intermediate. Slowly conjugated eliminated from the body so having plenty of those nutrients things like any C.. The B. Vitamins minerals who'd science can be very very helpful. All of those things help to make sure that there isn't a glitch in the system. There's nothing gumming it up and in the liver, so getting plenty about liver support is super helpful and in the literal spits out. Toxic sludge called Bile not goes into the gallbladder. If you've got one and then into the gut, so ways that we can help support the gut are primarily through fiber. Fiber is one of the best things that you can do. As long as you're getting plenty of water, it doesn't turn to concrete having a bowel movement every day at least once a day. If you're not, it's constipation. And needs to be addressed. That's really where start with most patients, if they are not having daily bombardment, do not WanNa, start mobilizing cellular toxins, so toxins I think of it in the snowcapped mountains is. that the cells and then. When you have about movement that's like releasing it into the ocean at the end of the river, and so we don't want to treat a flood in the middle in so opening up the river, mouth or having bowel movements sweating urinating. All of those things help us to get the toxins actually outside of you, so elimination is what's so important. So the bowel movement if you can take that toxic sludge called bile and binded with binders. Like Chia Flax Sy- Liam Charcoal Clay Clara there's a prescription when it will use sometimes for certain micro-toxins called steering all of these binders. It's I. Think I'm Hitler. They're giving the toxic sledge a hug and they're holding onto it, so they can take it out of the body, and you can fully eliminate through a bowel movement. If we don't have enough of those binders than a process called internal hypnotic re-circulation will happen, and that fancy medical term basically is just saying your your gut is to absorb things you're Colin's meant to absorb things so if Bil- sits in there too long than your own, it's not bound. It's not being hugged by one of those binders than your body will just reabsorb it then guess let it goes right back to the liver so now your liver has to take out yesterday's trash and today's trash, so it's doing all this extra work if you can just have a bowel. Bowel Movement everyday than your liver has much less work to do so lungs, kidneys, liver bowels, and then skin, and meant these wonderful, because he gets to get a massage. Trawler Mamas up there. You deserve when I skin and lymph lots of ways that we can support this dry skin brushing. Even a rebounder mini trampoline helps to get your lips going hot and cold showers, going back, and forth between hot and cold, or or if you have plunged or something like that, absolutely, that's fantastic lymphatic massage a Castro attack over the liver can also help with the liver and skin and Linz. There are so many fun things that we can do here Saunas. SAUNAS are fantastic, and I like the son of blankets, and there's little sign as you can sit in. Keep your head out. That tends to help. People tolerate them a little bit more. They can stay in there longer. Maybe you only sweat for about ten minutes a couple times a week, and you're getting a ton of toxins out. It is important to. To wipe those toxins off site sweating, you want to either take a quick shower afterwards or use a wash, cloth or something. Get the toxins off of you because when you're hut like that, your your pores are open. We've got toxins out what we don't want to do is have you just reabsorbed them? So really important with John is to replace your electrolytes using water intellectually powder coconut water is a great one. And then make sure you rinse typically with cool water because that'll get the toxins, often closer reports backup. Great Advice and question. I've seen come through a few times. I wonder if you might have an answer to is some people seem to have especially when they first start doing sauna or Stimulating limb system or even from taking certain supplements that can be detoxifying like magnesium or Greens or allergies, though notice itching on their skin. Is that like a detox reaction? Have you come across anyone having that clinically? Yeah lots so absolutely probably detox reaction, although you know certainly a we always wonder if there's an allergy and if you have a known allergy to. To something that of course avoid it, but what I noticed with a sort of alluding to this with the analogy of the snowcapped mountains all the way down to the river bed out into the ocean, so if this the analogy here is about mobilization at the cellular level, so that's are snowcapped mountain, and then elimination at the level of the ocean or Are Bowel, movements urination sweating anything that eliminates it, so the ocean is outside of the body, and our analogy of are river is inside of the body, so if we start to have too much snow melts or where detoxing too much at the cellular level. We're not able to keep up. We're not able to get enough elimination. Leaving the body so now we have more in the bloodstream and what we see are things like rashes. We see headaches. Fatigue! This is like the Q. Flew detoxifying and system, hence people initially will have an increase in symptoms when they start on a detox, diet or detox plan. My? Interpretation of that, my my professional approach to that is that is great information that tells us. We're probably on the right track, but what we need to do is slow down. Really really important, this is not a no pain. No gain situation. This is A. Opportunity for us to communicate with our body about what it needs, and so if there is an increase in in rashes or or fatigue or headaches or anything like that, then we take that and we say okay. Let's take less of the detox, provocation agents, or even less support, and just slow things down a bit. Do do the gentler approach spend less time in the sauna or focus on water. Folks on the detox breath focused on the things when you don't have to add anything to the body, but you're really just focusing on the nation. Yeah, that's such a great point and like I found for me. I think that probably that balances different for everyone but. But when I was in the heat of the autoimmune disease, when it was at its worst I had to be very careful with Diet and very low inflammation, and then I had anything else beyond that I had to do very slowly and make sure I was getting extra sleep. I didn't do any really difficult workouts. During that time, it was very much a period of rest in my body. Rebuild slowly. think that's such an important reminder, especially when it comes to any of these things, which can be very dangerous if you mobilize them to quickly more is not always better, and it's not always just should push through and do more to get through quickly. This podcast is brought to you by four sigmatic company. I've loved for years for their superfood mushroom based products. They use mushrooms like Wyans Vein Chaka. Quartet's racy in all kinds of delicious ways. And Mushrooms are amazing in and of themselves. Did you know that mushrooms are more genetically similar to humans? 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And another obviously one of these toxins that you mentioned a little bit and I'd love to deepen is mold because this one has risen a little bit more to mainstream knowledge, I think lately. people are starting to be aware that it can be a problem, but they're still so much confusion about how to test for it how to find out if it's an issue what to do about it if you do find mold, and if it really can actually have that dramatic of an impact on the body, so, what are you finding when it comes to mold exposure? Again you know the conventional community has really cooed this idea for a long time and I feel so grateful to people like Dave. asprey Richie, shoemaker and Neil Nathan who have brought this to the forefront, and really on shown people that this can be a big part of what's driving your symptom picture and I have people who. We address this figured out. We address it and they go back to normal and. It's so satisfying in just so lucky I. Get to do what I do when I get to see someone new show for their families again after treating this and I. Don't WanNa save it. It's an easy road by any stretch often when people come in test for micro-toxins, and there's a significant amount of that going on I brace them. You know this, does it? Months two years long, Journey Nada two weeks journey so typically we're looking at about two years, maybe more depending on the amount of exposure, and whether somebody is currently being exposed. We have a lot of it is speculative. In terms of why toxins have become such a problem for people an I don't know if it's. A new thing or if it was going on for a long time, and we're just kind of realizing at the science, just catching up or if it is really that we're being exposed more one of the theories is that the building materials things like drywall have created more more food for micro-toxins whereas the old homes that remain of laughing plaster Sayer Brick. Brick, that wasn't something that molds like to eat as much trade, so you didn't have as much risk, but the enemy other the other thing that has changed as there's a lot of fun decides in paint, and what we see is just like antibiotic-resistant resistance you out a bunch of antibiotics abuse system than now the antibiotic, the Biota the bacteria it will. Change and create be more resilient to the antibiotic so with the fungus. What we think may be happening. Is that having so much? Undecided in the paint is creating molded making more and more toxins. One of the things that we see is that Candida. If you use an Antifungal, a you swallow, Nice, say the candidate when it's under threat will make a talk, so it'll make toxin when you don't have any nice dot in the system and. And you can see this in a petri dish when you don't add an Antifungal the Canada doesn't make a toxin rate, so depending on house threatened from evolution perspective like if you put yourself in the role of yeast rider or a mold who's on a piece of wood, competing with other microbes for for food than if you create oxen's then you're gonNA. Win for food. You're going to get rid of these other whoever you're competing against so. You can see how adding more more toxins for fun decides to. The to the pain might increase the production of toxins for that for that mold. So this is all very speculative I. DON'T WANNA. Sound like we know for sure that this is going on, but it certainly could be one of those factors influencing the increase in incidents of mold diseases, mycotoxin related illness, so for this the way I test is I tend to use like I mentioned I. Do tend to provoke these and again at the consensus. There isn't one. Different experts in the field have differing opinions, but it is the way I was trained in what I'm used to looking at in terms of the results, so we'll see what provocation using glutathione and sweating, and then people can collect their urine the next morning and send that off lab. There's a couple of different labs that I use and then based on that. That we create a plan that is a specific to the type of mycotoxin shows up so kind of like heavy metals in Mercury use certain key leading agents for lead US different incubating agents for Mike Toxins. We have some degree even though this very new. We do have some degree of specificity that we can apply to how we treat the different micro-toxins. micro-toxins create a together and then like you said we just go at the pace. The body can tolerate because we don't want to do. It's flood the system with toxins quicker than it can get rid of them Gotcha yeah, that makes sense okay, and so for anyone listening just to make sure because you've mentioned that term a couple of times about. About provoking so basically you can use different substances to provoke different things you're trying to test for in the body, and then you can use essentially those same substances to help the body like continually released. Those things individually get rid of them, but you just want to be careful about the amount. Yeah, thank you for clarifying so. I started looking for mycotoxin. Years ago, maybe four or five years ago and when I was signing this, people who we knew had mold exposure, so they knew they were in a me house. Because had done the environmental testing, they found the stacked waitress in the wall. They had all symptoms that were clearly related to mould, and they might even have allergies to that mold while we test their your. Your information toxins and there would be nothing in the urine and we were going just our hair outgoing. Why is this? We know that they have lots of exposure or we can see that it's in the environment. Where did it go and what we found? Is that the sickest people? The reason they're so sick is because they're not eliminating right. They're holding onto these toxins. And might be toxins. They tend to be fat soluble so. This is part of why they're so dangerous for the inconsistent is because they can get glommed up in your hypothalamus. Show up in your brain in your lymph nodes in your glands like your thyroid or your ovaries. So they can, they can cause can wreak havoc throughout the body because of their nature of being fat soluble. What we found was. Provoked them using something like glutathione. Can I think it looks just like shaking it up? You're you're releasing some toxin from the cells like those snowcapped mountains, and typically not always, but a lot of times. People feel a little worse. That, unfortunately, and if somebody starts if it were steering the provocation cross, stop it rape Ben and go ahead and collect because what you're getting is again back to that analogy snowcapped mountains, releasing the snow, the toxin that's in those cells, and now you've treated fled especially. If you're not having regular bowel movements like you have a damn there, and now you have a flood, and you can be causing a lot of destruction. So really important to have those among juries open, but yes, that provocation processes also important important because we wanted to get an accurate result on the testing Gotcha. Okay, that makes sense and I know that you mentioned you use a lot of this in helping people with brain related isn't issues like autism or Adhd and we even see links with depression anxiety. And before we went live, you also mentioned that you do a lot of work with people with things like Alzheimer's and dementia, so I'm curious like obviously I can see the connections easily for anyone who is dealing with any of those types of issues or with autoimmune disease, but it seems like in health anytime. We find patterns that can help people heal who are in crisis. They also there's lessons we can learn to optimize for people for people who hopefully aren't dealing with those same kind of problems, so from your clinical work in your research. Are there strategies that we can all use? Even if we're not in health crisis to help, protect and improve our brain. Brain in our body using these strategies, yeah, absolutely so my work with neuro. Hecker collective, and we are really focused on optimizing especially brain. Function right we. It's screen. We can also up and be fully present engaged in our work. We can be contributing, and there are a lot of people. I talked to who don't really have anything going on right now. That is navy inspired them to reach out to a doctor. They don't feel like they have a pathology. Nothing's wrong on their labs. They really just want to get the most out of their day out of the relationships out of the way, and so there are things that I certainly recommend an Likley desist. Toxins are relatively ubiquitous, so if we can prevent the accumulation of toxins in our body, we can prevent disease long-term so absolutely simplest easiest things people can do kind of like opening the doors and windows to take your shoes off at the door. We track in so many toxins. We're wearing shoes, and then we're barefoot. Later on, we can get. We can absorb those toxins. Up in through our feet in. The bed you know it's. It's so gross when you start to think about it, but. It just taking your shoes off at the door trading that habit is one of the best ways to reduce the toxic burden in your home, and then in your body, but other ways to optimize certainly brain function is exercising. You're getting your circulation going again. It really goes back to those foundations, really good nutrients coming in getting plenty of good circulation through exercise like you mentioned sleep. We do so much of our detoxifying at night when we're sleeping particularly in the brain getting really good sleep in prioritizing. Especially those hours before midnight says you can get to bed by nine or ten. solid hours before midnight. That's when we get most of our deep sleep and do a really good job detoxifying, and then of course heck to having regular bowel movements regardless of whether or not you're struggling with toxic exposure, high toxic Britain, having a good regular bowel movement. All of ourselves eat bright, so we have our basic metabolic toxicity that builds up every day, and if we're not eliminating that, then we can get all kinds of accumulation about the nasty stuff got it and I'd love you to talk a little bit about about the facility that you Ryan and the results that you're seeing there because that's really astounding and incredible. What you guys are doing. Thank you, yes, will I have had north county natural medicines for a handful of years now and I started seeing a lot more dementia patients I was trained by Dr. Dale Bredesen's who wrote a book called the end of Alzheimer's, and so we were getting really it was surprising to me. How good the results where I had I really bought it hook line and sinker. Right this. This story that wins you have Alzheimer's. There's really nothing you can do. good luck with that right so I was trained by Dr Reticent After. Being very impressed a by what. What he had to say, it was very much alignment with the way I approach any sort of complex chronic disease in so I brought it back into my clinic, and then created reputation around that in had people calling and saying hey, my loved one has Alzheimer's and I just don't have the capacity to take care of them anymore. Where can I send them? Is there a care facility where they're incorporating this? And what I found was that there was it so of course I was like what I kept you too hard by the way, just create one. and. That was how Marama was born in so Maroma I purchased at the end of December of twenty nineteen, and we took over it was. A hostility is inherited five residents. And this also completely surprised me to. The residents did pass pretty quickly after the transition, but three residents are still bear and one of them. who was bed bound is now walking another got kicked off of hospice, and the other is about to get kicked off of hospice, and so, what is this April? So it's been five six months and the only things we did for those residents because we couldn't change. Anything can't change their meds. They had their doctors. They had their doctor's orders, but what we did was change for Diet at one hundred percent, organic diet, and as much as possible candidates Kito flex or whole thirty kind of Paleo Diet. So. We got rid of a lot of of course all of the candies if the skippy peanut butter is on the bread, wonder bread of gone occasionally, I get complaints about too many seeds in the in the bread that they do it, but but it's worth it from whether you can tell so. We changed the food APP. Lots more veggies, even if we have to hide them and we switched all of the soaps, the personal care products, and all of the cleaning products as well all of. Of that gut switched to nontoxic, and what we've seen is amazing. Transformation in these people and now I'm not suggesting that idiot or are ninety four They're going to go back to work or anything like that, but even their families have seen how much alert they are. How much more engaged? They are in conversation with them. How much happy the happier they are really day to day, so it's been really gratifying and especially this guy that's been walking. It's meet it It's really fun to see. I bet that's incredible to watch and it makes me think of you know this kind of conflict that's come. About the last few years about you know, we've always had studies and related things to lifespan, and now we're starting to see more of a focus on health span, and the idea of just living a long time, but living well as long as possible and. Living in a way that's healthy and happy, and has called the of life as well and I think all this work that you're doing It's going to be things that we start understanding all of the pieces that go into that, and and hopefully avoid a lot of these problems, and for those of us who are. Navigating and autoimmune disease. There's links there. That are helpful, but also just for those of us who want to. Optimize our lives in the best way possible and create solid foundations for our kids. I think these are all really important keys to that, and with such a focus on neural health and brain health I'm crazy any other tips for just kind of optimizing cognitive function for Moms or for those working that can help us to be more efficient and effective and focused at work. Yeah so. Meditation and exercise. Essentially moving meditation I. Get it I have an eighteen month old than to businesses. You know like there's a lack going on in there. There is for all of us especially right now. In this Kobe crisis, our wearing multiple hats all over the place, and yet it's never been more important for me to get in a daily meditation and ticket and exercise I cannot. It's the best deal in medicine by far like. Don't worry about a test. Don't worry about anything else if you can. Just do those things get. Getting an of course good fit you know. There's nothing more valuable than taking that time to reduce the stress or or to really shift perspective. the stressors are not going to go away, but where we have control over this disaster toxicity as well rate like toxins lot about what we allow in, we can think of this is food or as media or as the arts we allow enter the relationships. What we choose to allow any fast first step of making sure we're not overburdened with toxins and then second are we able to digest are able to break it down into the components that makes sense for us whether it's a new story or it's Broccoli, right? We are able to break it down. Do we have the capacity to to digest it and? Third, can we absorb the parts that serve US so? Can we get the Sephora things out of the out of the Broccoli, can we? Can we get the really important information from that news article? Can we get the the love from her mother-in-law? And then can we wait for? Can we eliminate the parts that don't service right, so can we? Can we let go of whatever nastiness someone said and take the good. What the critical feedback they gave us. Can we get rid of the fiber? Can we have that bowel movement rate, can we? Can we let go of the information that makes us more anxious and crazed rent so having allowing that process to take place in time so that we have the capacity to fully process. Is I think paramount to being fully optimized whether it's in our relationships with our in laws or our children or our boss or colleagues or clients. Taking that time for ourselves away from all of been needs. In all of the hats and role that we play is essential. I cannot understand that or overstate bugs me. I love it and you mentioned a lot of resources in this episode. I'll make sure I linked to all of them. In the show notes on this Mama Dot FM but specifically you also have a podcast as well right. Yes, I host a collective insights which is through hacker collective in. It's so I'm sure you have the same experience. I absolutely love. It's one of my favorite parts of my job just to pick the brains of experts in the field in different fields, whether it's exercise or diet or longevity. There was a guy got to. Pick his brain about orgasms. It's just so fun. The people that I have the privilege to talk to. Getting to be on the show with you today, so it's been awesome. Thank you for having me. Oh. It's been a pleasure. We've covered so much I. think hopefully helped a lot of people another question I love to ask as we wrap up is if there's a book or a number of books that have really dramatically impacted your life, and if so what they are and why? So rate now professionally I mentioned the end of Alzheimer's ideal. Edison and then toxic. A book by Dr Neil Nathan is the other end, so my practice is. Entirely built around putting those things into practice for people in my clinical practice really relies heavily on the insights that those guys have have gleaned. The data collection in research they've done and those books are. They're designed not just for doctors, but we're people who are struggling with toxins or with Alzheimer's and there's some overlap Fez, well, of course, because Alzheimer's one of things we want to check for. Is that the mold taxing toxic burdens so those books? If anyone is struggling with Mycotoxin, illness, or with Alzheimer's those are great places to start when you can really get a lot of quality information, I love it. I'll make sure those are linked in the show notes as long as well. Well as link for people to find you and keep learning if they'd like to or find out more about I'm your clinic or your facility, but you so much. This has been such a fine interview and I'm really appreciative of all the work you do. Kate thank you so much for making this awesome information available to people and thank you as always for listening and sharing your time with the bus today or so grateful that you did and I hope that you'll join me again on the next episode of the Wellness Mama, podcast? If, you're enjoying these interviews, would you please take two minutes to leave a rating or review on I tunes for me? Doing this helps more. He Bowl to find the podcast, which means even more moms and families can benefit from the information i. really appreciate your time and thanks as always for listening.

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Show 1177: How You Can Avoid Toxins in Your Home

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Show 1177: How You Can Avoid Toxins in Your Home

"I'm joe graydon terry graydon welcome to this podcast of the people's pharmacy. You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range range of health topics at people's pharmacy dot com better living through chemistry was an industry slogan. Now people worry about how those chemicals affect their health. This is the people's pharmacy with terry and joe graydon and dr arlene. Blum is a mountain near a chemist and crusader. Her efforts decades ago got flame retardant side of children's sleepwear. Where else might you find flame retardant stain repellents or other endocrine disrupting chemicals mold can be stealthy hiding behind walser in damp dark crawlspaces under a house. What are the health consequences of mold exposure. How can you prevent mold growth in your house or the office. And what can you do to take back your health coming up on the people's pharmacy. Learn how you can avoid the toxins in your home <music>. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. I'm joe graydon and i'm terry graydon. Are there toxins sens in your home. They may be hiding in plain sight in the carpet or the cushions in your couch in the kitchen. Have you stack plastic containers with endocrine in disrupting bisbee nelson your cupboard mold can also have toxic effects and we'll talk about that later in the show i though we'll consider common chemicals that can affect our hormones and we'll find out how you can avoid them or i guest is dr arlene blum. She's a biophysical chemist author author and mountaineer. She's executive director of the green science policy institute and a research associate in chemistry at the university. The of california berkley dr blooms research and policy work has contributed to preventing the use of flame retardants and other harmful chemicals in children's in sleepwear furniture electronics and other products worldwide her current challenges to educate decision makers and the public to reduce the use yousef entire classes of harmful chemicals in everyday products. You can learn more about these chemicals at our website. Six classes dot org welcome back to the people's pharmacy. Dr arlene blum delighted to be back with you dr bloom you know i think there was a time when when americans were quite concerned about chemicals <hes> rachel carson's silent spring and then they heard about flame retardants and and they heard about this finol a but then california changed the rules that got rid of the flame retardant cin bis phenol a they disappeared because people are so up in arms and people went. Oh everything's fine now. We don't have to worry about flame retardants. We don't have to worry about this. Phenol a shaw is everything fine. No unfortunately there are tens of thousands of untested chemicals in everyday day products and these chemicals migrate from the products into desk in the us into the environment and i believe they're responsible both for a big chunk of the cancer and other health part in our population start right with the flame retardants have they all disappeared from our foam cushions and our furniture and mattresses and every place else and we let down our guard well. That's a lot better in deed of love. The regulation was changed so that fine returns are no longer needed in furniture or children's product foam and the film industry immediately. We stopped fighting fire retardants in foam. They said making phones like making a souffle and flame. Retardants are bad ingredient in your suit fillet so i would say day. Most new furniture is fine. Used furniture probably is not fine. This is only happened in the last two or three years but plame returns are still used in other places where they're not necessary a cases around televisions foam plastic building insulation so there's still still more to be done and sadly enough the flame retardant producers he pushing back trying to bring the flame retardants back into our furniture. Can you believe so so the problem is way better but not solved dr bloom. What are the harms associated with flame retardants. What do we know there are literally thousands of papers on help harm in animal studies and even in humans and by the time you have studies. He's a newman's you know you're in trouble so neurological impairment. The average american child has lost three or four. I q points from flame retardant. It's reproductive impairments that can contribute infertility. They contribute to obesity. They are cancer causing and they're in just about everyone in america and they were mostly used a lot of that exposure was from furniture phone wherein attempt attempt an unsuccessful attempt to reduce an estimated thirty addressable fires in the united states. All of fest three hundred million people have flame retardants in their body so that's ten million people with flame retardants in their bodies that wasn't even successful in reducing one fire death very lopsided so dr bloom. If we've got an old couch you know fifteen or twenty years old that we love or an old easy chair. Chances are pretty good if it's got cushions. It's got flame retardants in it. Maybe it's time to replace well. <hes> if you live in california almost for sure otherwise pick up the center cushion on your couch and if there's a label that says california standards or technical bulletin one one seven that means it has them however if it's noor it'll say he'd be one one seven two thousand thirteen and there'll be a check box saying whether or not it has flame retardants but i have a suggestion instead of replacing the whole couch. If you like it you could just swap out the foam in the cushions because pretty much all the phone and found stores now has no flame retardants and the cushion foam is really the source of the problem so excellent that sounds like a more cost effective effective way of protecting the family. Let's talk about bis phen- all's we heard so much about this phenol a._p._a. In there are now lots lots of products that say b._p._a. Free but some of them have used other chemicals like this final. S are all of our aluminum aluminum cans and <hes> cash register receipts and all of those water bottles now safe. Unfortunately unfortunately it's very common went chemical spaced out the easiest thing because it's expensive for industry to make big changes. It is to have a drop in replacement. That's almost identical in structure function and hard so as you said the big common replacement for l._a. Esps fennel s which is nearly identical in all ways including harm at what's called a regrettable both substitute and it's very unfortunate so we cannot say at all. Thanks are safe. If there's a very similar substitute so what are you suggesting for baby bottles water bottles and all those other containers that we rely on like aluminum cans well i would say a glass is really good <hes> metal canteens and talking to the company and saying. We don't want this panel a._b._c. to e._f._d. Through us let's switch gears and talk about a series of compounds that that are abbreviated p. f. a. s. per and polly fluoro- alkyl substances <hes> p._f. As p._f._o._s. p p foss these are in a lot of products carpets because they resist staining cleaners clothing cookware cosmetics food packaging furnishings outdoor parallel paints papers protective coatings of all sorts and they even use them in firefighting foams. What's the problem with <hes> well p. Fast i have to tell you is my very favorite favorite class of chemicals because they are the worst and the big problem with all of them in there more than four thousand kinds of beef us. They never breakdown ever. They're called forever chemicals. They'll be here a million years from now so the chemical that was used to make your teflon frying pan dan or your gortex jacket will be on the planet perhaps after unanimity and the ones that have been studied have been found to have a wide range of toxicities ranging from a number of kinds of cancer too high cholesterol to a._b._c._d. To hormonal problems but you know it's not hopeless astaire in a limited number of products and they're often not needed you know life was fine before we had fast and life could be define again with a very limited use of foss so we think they should only be used when they're essential given the huge potential for harm the fact that there forever chemicals so dr bloom if these chemicals are affecting hormones that means they're endocrine disrupters disrupters. What types of hormones do they influence well as i said they contribute to obesity elevated elevated cholesterol decreased fertility thyroid problems decreased immune response to vaccines and children. They're linked to kidney and testicular cancer. You know there's there's a lot a lot of health harm from the handful that have been studied. No can you even get carpet. The doesn't have p foss in it absolutely absolutely in fact the good news is a number of major carpet companies are out of using p fast completely and i think most of them are on on the way out so there's a lot of industries that have discovered the harmless p foss and are stopping using them and that's really good news <music>. How do we find products that don't have these per an polly fluoro- alkyl substances the the p._f. Oh as the p._f._o._s. caresses etc wealth for some products. It is listed on the label so for example if you're going to buy i personal care products. You don't want them to say like per floor or poly flare. We have a website about these different. Harmful classes ashes of chemicals and for example on the one for the pizzas. There's a section called. What can you do listing how you can avoid them and <hes> indeed we recommend. We have a four minute video on behalf and other is on each of the other classes of harmful chemicals and they all have hints on on how to avoid them dr bloom. What is that website please. It's six classes dot org s. I x. l. a. s. s. e. The s. dot org and just to say the idea about having clashes of chemicals is you don't go from for example this fennel a two s you try to avoid the whole class only use it when it's really necessary and people can learn about these classes clashes they could make healthier choices dr arlene blum. Thank you so much for talking with us again on the people's pharmacy today you're welcome. It's a pleasure you've been listening to dr arlene blum executive director of the green science policy institute and a research associate associate in chemistry at the university of california berkeley. She's a biophysical chemist and an author who has worked to prevent the use of flame retardants in children in sleepwear furniture and electronics. She educates the public and decision-makers about entire classes of harmful chemicals through our website w._w._w. Dot six classes dot org. You'll find a link to it from our website after the break. We'll learn about mold what health both problems can mold exposure pots are antifungal drugs helpful in overcoming problems for mold exposure. You're listening into people's pharmacy with joe and terry graydon. The people's pharmacy podcast is sponsored in part by kaya -biotics k. a. wii a -biotics offers the first probiotics which are both certified organic and hypo allergenic. 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It's shown number one thousand one hundred seventy seven and that number again eight hundred seven thirty to twenty three thirty four or you can place the order online at people's pharmacy dot com you can also download load the podcast from our website or wherever you get your podcast. The people's pharmacy is brought to you in part by verizon a- an analytical laboratory providing home home health test for hormones gut health and the microbiome online at b. e. r. I s. a. n. A. dot com today. We're we're finding out how you can avoid toxins in your home. One source that might be easily overlooked is mold it can grow in out of the way spots where you might not look in a basement or crawlspace or around the edges of your air conditioning ductwork wet weather and floods are especially favourable to mold growth breath. What does mold do and what can you do about it. We're talking with dr jill christa a nationally recognized educator on illnesses associated associated with mold and mycotoxin exposure. She shares what she learned. After over a decade working with people struggling with chronic diseases related to mold dr christa is author of break the mold five tools to conquer mold and take back. Your health welcomed the people's pharmacy dr jill krista. Hello such a pleasure to be here. Dr christa were talking about mold and i think a lot of people well they either take it for granted or they really worry about it. <hes> so first of all what is mold and how does it differ from <hes> mildew and fungi so it seems like they're all part of the same family but i don't think we really have a good understanding right. Wall is the planet's decompose earn recycler so it plays a very important role on our planet to turn decaying decaying material into nutrients it can be reused and it's important outside but can be damaging inside so mold and mildew are in the fungi jay family and <hes> we don't feel well and it can impact our health when mold and mildew are happening in our living environment. What kind of problems do we encounter were exposed to malt malt can create nanny many symptoms in the body along many different systems in the body so it's a little confusing when <hes> i'm working with a family and each of them are displaying slightly different symptoms some may be respiratory tori but that's not required in order to have a mold sickness <hes> if the mold spores are trapped behind building materials and it's just the toxins that have come into the air the person may be experiencing immune deficiency symptoms liver toxicity symptoms neurological symptoms that may not even be respiratory and that's what's so confusing and based on an individual's unique genetics and their previous health status of course you guys know. We talk about diet quite a bit how their diet is <hes>. They may have completely different symptoms than their sibling or their parents. You are nutter a- pethick ethic physician and i think our listeners are sort of understanding what that is but maybe you could just give us a little insight on your background and training and then whoa you're so interested in mold and how it affected you and your family personally sir so nato pathak physician are natural actual medicine experts. We've been trained in a combination of conventional medicine and natural medicine and the way that i came to learning about mold was working with lime disease patients. I had this subset of patients that when we would do the regular treatment and lyme disease can be kind of a a difficult disease to heal from and i had the subset that just weren't responding to things the way that we were expecting that i was seeing with the other patients in one of those patients since they found black mold and his home and i knew that was important but i didn't understand how profoundly it was affecting his health. I think we think of mauled a is a an aesthetic problem in a house and not a health problem and as i learned about mauled. I realized oh my goodness this. This is behind so many of his odd symptoms ear ringing anxiety insomnia pelvic pain digestive upset he had something called cbo our small intestinal bow overgrowth syndrome so it all of a sudden was the one nugget that connected all of these things so i went to the other the patients that were stock and we started to do home investigation with a certified building inspector and sure enough. We're finding water damage or a history of exposure to water damage in those patients so for me. It was the big light bulb. That went went off the tricky thing about mauled is that if it is it is a slow growing growing problem and so if you're exposed to it and you don't know that it's the problem you can sort of miss it. Even if you're trained like i was and that's exactly what happened in our family we had <hes> relatively new home. So that's the other surprise it can happen in any building f it's at a high enough moisture humidity level and we had quite a bit of water damage that was unseen and didn't notice it because because when we moved into the home it was beautiful in the fall we could keep the windows open so it didn't really there was no abrupt trigger and then over time as we were closing up the house as it became winter. I live in wisconsin so we have four seasons. As we closed up the home. We started to get sick but didn't notice because it was slow growing and slow exposure once we figured out once the flood revealed itself to us. We had water rain down in charge kitchen and then we realize oh my goodness. This is a huge problem but that's when i was realizing that oh i know what to do. I already know the tools and we got going on all the tools we got going on remediation and i was so motivated to write the book because i thought how lucky i am that i have all of that and everybody needs to know this. His people can take charge of it themselves. What are the symptoms that most people experience if they're exposed to maldon it's giving them problems and what what did you and your daughter's experienced. <hes> southern most common symptom that i see across all mall patients that i've worked with is some level of anxiousness. I wouldn't say that goes as far as anxiety but anxiousness unsettled feeling inside where they just can't calm you know we can work on breeding programs that kind of thing but it still overrides that i also see quite a bit of insomnia <hes> whether or not the person is sleeping in the moldy the area i see quite a bit of bowel disruption fungal overgrowth problems respiratory problems like sinusitis dry throat in the morning post nasal drip lung burning that kind of thing and also neurological so we might see somebody who has a pre existing sciatica that once they're exposed to water damage building. Thus advocate is just flared because the nerves are very angry. Mold micro-toxins are immunotoxic <hes> neuro toxic and they also are toxic to the detoxification systems in the liver so someone a typical thing would be if someone has moved into a water damage building or maybe took a job in a water damage building and they started having coot sensitivities they never had before and oh by the way now i'm allergic to grass and they never were before and i can't sleep and i'm stressed out and i've got a rash. Those would be like the a typical pictures that we would see and as you see it's incredibly difficult to determine if you have mauled or not because it can be so varied and all over the body you know for myself. I created up. I'm sorry go ahead. I was going to say these are incredibly nonspecific symptoms lots of other problems. It's also cost them exactly yeah and that's <hes> similar to lyme disease malkin. Just make whatever your pre existing issue is just a little louder and so it can go undetected for quite a while and that's why for myself in in practice. I created a questionnaire so that i could try to quantify the picture picture a little bit better as a physician because i was having a hard time identifying it as well well. You mentioned that yes this is kind of a non in specific because there may be respiratory problems neurological problems skin problems on and on and a lot of your colleagues allopathic law pathak physicians they kind of dismissed the idea of <hes> systemic molden faction because they haven't really been trained in this area and they think well here comes another person who's complaining about mold. Oh boy psychosomatic what what can i do. How do you deal with your colleagues who may not have as much experience with mold as you have had yeah that is so true and the reason. Is that the the research that's out. There is it's missing. It's lacking terribly we have a lot of research on the effects of mold and micro-toxins on animals and those that work in animal husbandry those that are in charge of feeding animals they know about these effects because they they lose stock so they have figured out how to test foods and and to mitigate those foods by adding anti mold things like rosemary and adding things like to rack and milk thistle to the food to protect the animals malls and so it gets discounted that it's only an ingestion problem. It's not a respiratory problem but when you look at the science of how all these mold micro-toxins can absorb into the body our lungs and our skin absorbed much more readily than our digestive system so it isn't only an it it is only a bad feed problem and that all of these things can happen if you're in an environment so what i tried to do is just present the animal research research and then present the building research that shows us that when we have a water damage building the air in that building and the surfaces is in that building are loaded with micro-toxins. There have been a lot of floods all over the country lately and when i see houses under ten feet feet of water. I wonder oh my goodness. How are they ever going to deal with the potential mold problem. That's going to be lurking in their basements in their in their crawlspace. Maybe even their living space yeah yeah. It's a real problem with climate change. We're going to be seeing a lot more humidity issues whether that's more erratic than we are have been used to and we have not been building our buildings for the change. That's is coming. That's my next goal is to try to change policy. Change on how we build so that we can stay well. Even though something like that has happened happened and to educate construction people that once the that material is wet. It needs to be removed. There's no drying and we've learned that from our area area. I live in a very humid area and one in three remediation. It's need to be redone because they didn't take enough material out the standard it is to remove two feet beyond visual all because malta's microscopic it could be infecting neighboring tissue in that home just like skin cancer you. You won't have a clear border so i do the same thing when i see these on the news all these pictures of floods i think oh my goodness there's so many people that need to understand the dangers of mall that it's more than a aesthetic problem will and it's not just flooding. I mean we live in the south where where it's very humid in the summertime and i suspect it also gets humid in wisconsin. A lot of houses have what we call crawlspaces spaces that are ventilated which means a lot of humid air in that crawlspace and now that we have air conditioning it often precipitates a lot of <hes> a lot of humidity down in that area which seems like a perfect place for mold and mildew to take over and then that can get get into the house itself yeah yeah i'd council all the patients that i work with and i mentioned in my book managing. Your indoor humidity is key. That mall doesn't need a flood. I'm so glad that you mentioned that. It doesn't need a water damage event. All it needs is a clutter dusty house with an extra humidity and it's got its farmland to grow like crazy so we work on dehumidification what council my patients is. If it's above fifty percent humidity outside then you need to put on your g humidifier in your house and manage the humidity and what should you set your dehumidifier for. What's the appropriate humidity addity inside mall will grow over fifty percent humidity so should be fifty percent or under yeah and that's not necessarily comfortable to respiratory passages so i try to have people slope between fifty and sixty and manage dust. How'd you manage dust. I mean obviously obviously you've got a vacuum cleaner that you're going to use but yeah i what else just if <hes> you know it depends on your your taste of course but if you're a person who likes a lot of clutter than you need to realize you have to manage that and keep keep dusting disgust i love to use vinegar and essential oils and <hes> just make sure that you're keeping the dust layer in your house down dr christa. I wonder if you can tell us how we we treat mold problems in human human beings while the number one and it's actually the first three steps in my plan. That's how important it is now taught by my teacher dr walter cronin the first three steps of toxic exposure is avoidance avoidance avoidance. You have to get out of that exposure. No one will get get better without getting away from the mold if you've already been made sick by it and then avoidance includes what you're eating because we have learned through animal animal studies that some foods are more moldy than others and then looking at beverages though alcohol is a big one alcohol is basically a mold mycotoxin <hes> and then looking at your hobbies and habits and if there are places that you go or you're drawn to going rolling or <hes> activities that you're drawn to doing that are exposing you to mold you may need to avoid that for a time period while you're getting better because it it could be one of the things that flares it up and give an example <hes> one of my patients was a hobbyist brew master and every time he would go into his broom where there was aziz he would get sicker so he had to avoid that until he was better from the mold a lot of physicians your colleagues allopathic medicine suggest test medications antifungal drugs to they have a place. They definitely have a place once. There is a fungal infection but i'm so lucky that i have <hes> herbal medicine because it doesn't have to be a frank infection to still be getting sick for mauled. If you have mold exposure in my experience you also tend to have fungal angle overload symptoms in the body and by using plants things don't have to be so severe to go ahead and engage those plants and they don't have the plants. Let's don't have the high side effect profile drugs do so you can use anti fungal plants and plants that have antifungal action simple one that we know of his oregano have patience add oregano garlic and rosemary to their cooking and you can take those also as supplements not requiring the body to be in a frank thank fungal infection but improving the fungal overgrowth problems we wanna make sure that before you start killing off this fungal overgrowth that you you have protected the body by protecting the neurology with good fats and protecting the liver and the kidneys because they process all of those toxins on the way out mold and fungus gets more toxic dyes so you need to i after you've done avoidance and you could in those fundamentals of good diet good lifestyle al then you protect the body and get it ready for the onslaught of toxins that are going to come out of the body as you kill the fungus. You're you're listening to dr jill krista. She's a naturopathic doctor and a nationally recognized educator on illnesses associated with mold and mycotoxin exposure. She shares what she learned. After over a decade working with people struggling with chronic diseases related to mold dr christa is the author of break the mold five tools to conquer mold and take back your health and joe naturopathic doctors often do integrative medicine <hes> they get more for information on nutrition and botanical medicine in counseling in their curriculum well after the break. You'll learn about other tools to conquer mold. What what can you do if mold is contributing to sign you seitis. How would someone know they're suffering from a mold infection. How good are the treatments for this type of problem. You need to fix the building as well as the body. How do you do that. You're listening to the people's pharmacy with joe and terry graydon. 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One thousand one hundred seventy seven the number again eight hundred seven thirty to 2334. You can also find it online at people's pharmacy dot com you could download the free podcasts from apple stitcher or from our web store. Dr we invite you to consider writing review. The people's pharmacy is brought to you in part by kaya -biotics probiotic products made in germany from certified certified organic ingredients k. a. y. A. -biotics dot com. Have you ever found mold growing on your bathroom tiles or shower curtain. What about under the kitchen sink or in your basement. How worrisome is it. If you think you've been exposed to mold and are suffering health consequences intas what can you do. Our guest is dr jill christa a nationally recognized educator on illnesses associated with mold and mycotoxin toxin exposure. She shares what she learned. After over a decade working with people struggling with chronic diseases related to mold dr christa is the author of break the mold five tools to conquer molden. Take back your health dr christa you describe in your book break the mold five tools to conquer mold and take back your health and we have started by talking about avoidance now obviously sleet if people have a house that is full of mold. It's going to be difficult in some cases for people to just move out and find another place to live but i guess you're saying that perhaps for short period of time. They may need to do that. <hes> yeah can you go onto the other four tools. Please sure so the next tool is fundamentals which is all of the basic treatment guidelines from nature pathak doctor so you'd be hearing from us us about good diet choices many many many vegetables every day to try to get five to six servings a minimum of vegetables a day getting good sleep working on getting your body tuned into a normal circadian rhythm <hes> mold tenths to throw that rhythm off so people can become night owls so i work with patients on remember that humans are wakened the day were not owls or not awake at night to get on the circadian rhythm so the fundamentals are basic. Things is like that and then the next tool is protect the body the next tool is repair and then fight which is to fight off the fungus the the fungal overload in the body. Tell us a bit more. If you would please about protecting the body yes so there are certain things that protect attacked your body from mole toxins as mold dies and his fungus dies it becomes much more toxic and can dump these micro-toxins in the liver and the kidneys have to manage that if they can't keep up those micro-toxins spillover into nerve tissue and into the fat to be dumped later so we want to protect the nerve tissue we want to protect the immune system that also takes a hit when you get these micro-toxins toxins villages so i typically put patients on something that will <hes> manage the good fat balance in their body and d._h._a. Is a official on a good fat that is protest been shown to be protective against mold oxen's especially if they're having neurological symptoms rain cognition maybe tremors <hes> we really optimize that fat balance and i use labs to to measure after that and see how much we need to us and then we protect the liver and the kidneys from any damage the damage from these toxins really impact deliver deliver function in the liver's ability to do its job to balance blood sugar to make hormones to make cholesterol and to make the good cholesterol so commonly we will see okay someone's liver enzymes increase on their labs and when we can get them protected with things like turmeric and milk thistle we can see those labs ads restore back into normal range and quite often. They're bad cholesterol will go down in the good protective. Cholesterol comes up with maltreatment there. You've mentioned sinusitis and that's not an unusual place that is to say your sinuses for mole to set up housekeeping. How how do you get rid of mold in your sinuses. And how do you kind of protect the body from this kind of problem recurring. I mean that is such a great question. People forget the sinuses one of the things that when you're exposed to a water damage building if you tested everybody everybody people that don't have mould sickness and people that do we all have fungus in our sinuses the differences the people that have been exposed to water damage building and and have been impacted by that they're fungus is now acting competitively and aggressively that's how mold compete for territory so normal existing flora turns into what we call a biofilm and starts to act aggressively to your other normal flora so now you get the fungus in the bacteria competing with each other for territory and those toxins get ingested get breathed in and so they need to be restored. That balance needs to be restored stored so for me. A key part of the fight tool is giving whole-body antifungal plants while also treating the sinuses his with both antifungal antibacterial. 's so that we can restore the flora of the sinuses to go back to acting like a homeo- uh-huh static flora and so one of my favorite tools for that is essential oils not everybody can tolerate those they've been exposed to a water damage building because they they have aldehydes mold also secretes but for those that can tolerate it. I found them to be the most effective because they can both neutralize micro-toxins and that's been shown in studies and also kill the mold so i have a list in my book of those that do the double duty your top two or three there and how do you use them. Yes so top two or three would be time is one of my favorites because it's also antibacterial bacterial. Tea tree is a lovely one and eucalyptus no way that was we put them into a little at patients make their own they use distilled water boiled water or sterile water and then put five drops of their choice of essential oil into that into a one ounce spray bottle and then spray that into their nose one one side each nostril her one time for each nostril and do that two times it's per day you can also use nettie pots and <hes> if they are sensitive to essential we have seen that manuka honey can also so have a great antifungal effect and for the antibacterial i will use <unk> ladle silver and there are many already done. Colloidal silver sprays raise. There are also some essential oil sprays on the market so people can sample and try things that seemed to work for them. The europeans have been on top of this in most of them. Come from europe. How successful are you you know if we were to query a hundred patients that that have been treated under your care you know fifty percent get better eighty percent one hundred percent give us some sense of how well people can do in recovering covering from a mold infection. That is a great question. I would say if you create patients. They about seventy five percent would say improvement the twenty ninety five percent that are still struggling or still struggle quite a bit if they've been re exposed many of them did not leave their environment mint or did not give up the hobby or habit that continuously exposes them and small percentage of them had been exposed for so long encyc- for so long that they were not able to fully recover and that would be patients where they have brain impacts mold is also carcinogenic nick so in some cases there are cancers where now we're chasing the cancer and we can't really get the mold part. How would someone know oh if they were actually infected by mold either in their lungs in their sinuses in their digestive tract. I i mean are there any tests. Because of course allopathic physicians like quantitative data right there are new tests that make it a little little easier now. There's some debate about the source of the micro-toxins for these tests and that is a urine mycotoxin test so to to you take away the possibility that this is ingested problem. I have my patients do and mold tree diet for three days before they collect the sample you can also also there are some talk about trying to provoke micro-toxins for that test but i usually don't. I usually just have them avoid the multi foods for three days. Take the test first and then <hes> urine has been shown in studies to be an adequate place to to detect mycotoxin exposure and if you're spilling it into your urine you either have it in your body and our detoxing it or you're actively being exposed and that's the difficulty then for us as practitioners is is this a current exposure past exposure to figure out lynch switch. Yeah yes yeah so we can see that someone had an exposure her five years ago and they came out of the building and i am a classic cases some an occupational exposure. They left their job because the company wasn't willing to do anything different didn't bring any belongings with them says not something where they brought belongings and infected another house but the person was still still sick and it was because the sinus colonization had happened is not technically an infection but a colonization and by treating that person for mauled she was able to get better dr christa. One of your other steps in your five tools is repair. How do you go about the repairing. A body that has been exposed to mold yes repair is trying to restore immune and function to its fullest trying to restore liver and kidney detoxification functions and protecting repairing the nervous system so i usually i use bioflavonoids are my favorite. That's that colorful pigment in vegetables fruits as well but i try to focus on vegetables. I i because many people they fungal fungal overgrowth. Don't do well with fruit sugars so trying to get again five to six servings of vegetables doubles every day day after day to try to flood the body with enough bioflavonoids there are a few bioflavonoids that we know do a better job against mauled called and that's quercetin and raspberry trowel so those are some of the tools we use. I will use course attentive. Somebody's symptoms are particularly respiratory tori and gut and then raspberry trolley us. If it's more brain fog memory martha brain symptoms and neurological logical dr christa you said the number one most important thing when dealing with mold is avoidance of voidance avoidance and i know that there are a lot of people who are listening to us now. We're going yeah well. I have a house and it has a crawlspace and it gets kinda <music> the humid down there. Maybe there's even some water. That's hanging out. What do i do to a repair that problem and be keep it from coming back. How do i get the humidity down. Who who do i call and how would would. I know they're reliable. Yeah great question. That's the difficulty with maude. If it's occurred exposure and it's your home we have to treat both the body and the building building. I'm really good at the body part but i trust the building piece to people that are experts in buildings and that would be people the letter certified through the a._c. A._c. the i. c._r._c. or the building biology which is the bow biology institute those ios in people that are gonna be no the best about more of a holistic diagnosis of your building day. Look at the building like we look good a body and they are wonderful at both diagnosing the problem but also guiding you to a remediation plan that would work the best for your situation is not every situation is the same just like not. Everybody is the same now. Every building has the same illness so to speak those organizations again please because <hes> share a lot of folks weren't ready with pen and pencil yeah yeah no problem so the certifications are through organizations called the a._c. We see a sea. They i see our c. and b. b. e. c. which is biology institute. We'll make sure we have of links to them on our website so in wrapping up our interview today. What would you suggest for people who go. I've never heard heard of this mold thing that they're talking about. What should i look for. How would i know that there's a problem in my house. How would i even yeah no. If i had too much humidity. Will you know. Is there any way to measure that and then what should i do next. I recommend ended everyone in your home. Go to the pet store and get a humid stat that they use in the reptile cages because they are very sensitive to humidity levels. These are a you know three dollar little humanist at dial that you can put in every room because every room in your house is going to be different and monitor the humidity and then manage it with dehumidifiers. It's a very simple little tool that can prevent hundreds and thousands thousands of dollars of damage in your home and a humidity stat and at what level should you keep your humidity <hes> below in other other words. What what's the danger line. Yeah so you wanna be below sixty percent an ideal would be below fifty that in my area it you know like today it's eighty five percent humidity outside and it's a rainy day in. It's been a very wet season. I have had a very very hard time keeping my house under sixty percent or running multiple dehumidifiers in the lower floor of my house so <hes> that's a difficult thing to do so i wanna be realistic that fifty percent my goodness. How are we going to do that. If it's you know eighty five percent humidity outside i wanna just mention that a lot of people have humidity stat on their furnace and that is a helpful tool but it won't tell you what's happening in each room and that's why those little humidity stat dials that you get there they can sell <hes> they have on the sticky little stands see you can put them everywhere and put them of course in the least airy or air movement part of the rooms that you're getting a true level decker jill christa. Thank you so much for talking with us today about mold and the the problems that we can have with it. Thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure. You've been listening to dr jill krista. She's a nature pathak physician seven and a nationally recognized educator on illnesses associated with mold and mycotoxin exposure. She shares what she learned. After over a decade working with people struggling with chronic diseases related to mold dr christopher book is break the mold five of tools to conquer mold and take back your health. You'll find links to the organizations. She mentioned at people's pharmacy dot com and joe. Oh dr christa also mentioned a couple of supplements that people might want to know about courson q. u. E. r. c. e. t._i._a._a. 'em and raspberry trawl r. e. s. v. e. r. a. t. r. o. L. and we have information about those supplements on our website as well. We spoke earlier with dr arlene blum mountaineer biophysical chemist and executive director of the green science policy institute. Did you toot her website. 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How to Overcome Mold and Biotoxin Illness

Functional Medicine Research with Dr. Nikolas Hedberg

1:12:47 hr | 5 months ago

How to Overcome Mold and Biotoxin Illness

"Welcome to the doctor hedberg show for cutting edge practical health information for the latest articles videos and podcasts. Visit dr hedberg dot com. That's d. r. h. e. b. e. r. g. dot com. The information in this show is intended for educational purposes. Only always consult your healthcare professional before attempting anything recommended in this program. And now here's doctor. Hedberg talk welcome. Everyone to functional medicine research on. Dr hedberg really excited today to have my good friend and colleague tracy long on the show. Tracy is a registered dietitian with specialty certification training and integrative and functional medical nutrition therapy and the bread is in protocol to alzheimer's she owns a private practice big picture health in hendersonville north carolina where she sees clients via video consultations she specializes in working with clients with neuro degenerative conditions biotoxin illnesses gastrointestinal conditions and nutrigenomics. She's a published author and teaches. Health coaches for chris crossers health coach training program. Tracy's education includes a master of public health an emphasis on nutrition and exercise physiology from the colorado school of public health where she studied under dr loren core. Dane may know the author of the paleo diet and she's also a registered yoga teacher and certified exercise physiologists. Her personal interests include hiking with her husband and dog urban farming teaching yoga forging for mushrooms in the mountains of western north carolina growing medicinal herbs and produce paddleboarding and visiting her three grown daughters in colorado tracey. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much neck. I'm sorry happy to be here with you today. Really appreciate the opportunity. Yes yeah it's gonna be fun. So what are we begin by talking about your personal journey with mold and that's going to be the topic of today mold and biotoxin illness. So don't you share your your personal journey. You bet i'd love to and really my my personal journey neck Really started with a professional journey. In that i became very interested in neurodegenerative conditions and i completed dr bredesen's training as you mentioned on the brightest and protocol to end alzheimer's and dr send has sub categorized underlying causes of alzheimer's and one of those underlying causes. He refers to as type three alzheimer's. That's really it related to toxins. And he's identified three categories of primary toxins. The first one is heavy. Metals at the second one is biotoxins and in that category biotoxins. Certainly mold is included and also tick barney illnesses. And now even recently we've added cove nineteen especially from the standpoint of you know people who have had coded nineteen and they haven't recovered. We were referring to them as long haulers and i bring that up. I'll tie that all in just a minute The the third type of toxin. Dr bresson addresses are organic compounds. So there are things like herbicides pesticides. things that we're kk and behind supposed to in the environment It was interesting in that journey. That i had that train and i started working with clients with all the subtypes of alzheimer's Little did i know that. I would end up having my own personal experience so i was assisting clients who had been exposed to mold certainly And then we ended up moving to north carolina in the south. It's very moist here. As as you know. I know you live here to somebody. you know. we've had a year of record rainfall here. So i moved from colorado which was very hot and dry to the southeast which is living like in the tropics really We're living in a rental house and when we found the house we were really excited because for a rental it looks really looked. Really great on the surface. we just thought wow. We found such a treasure in this house. And i was able to set up my office in the basement which happens to have It's it's kind of a partial basement so it's got some really nice natural light and big windows and i thought oh even for a basement office. This is just great and got sat up and and started working and after living in this house for about five months I just gradually started to get sicker and sicker. And it's interesting that even though i was assisting clients who had biotoxin illness and and especially mold illness certainly some people with tick borne illnesses. Well it's almost like. I couldn't see it in myself and that rings true with people with biotoxin illness. The impact that it has on us. Neurologically can really impair our ability to think and and process information and so i certainly was becoming more cognitively impaired of myself I ended up gaining about twenty pounds almost overnight which really bothered me as a dietitian. Because i practice what i preach. Aida whole foods paleo based diet and you know big exercise fiend. And i hadn't changed anything so i'm just like where the heck did this twenty pounds come from and then as i continue to get more sick I said was like not sleeping. And i mean literally not sleeping The insomnia was horrible. then exacerbated by hot flashes And so i just continued down this decline. I had to cut my work back by at least half. I really was becoming dysfunctional. And then this profound fatigue set in where i oh most I would be sitting at my desk working. And i would get hit with this fatigue where i almost just had like lie down in the floor. I didn't have enough strength left in me to walk up the stairs and you know lie on the couch or even get in my bed and i would curl up on the floor in my office and just fall asleep for two hours you know and it was really at about that point that i just thought my gosh what is wrong with me and so i ran the the tests on myself and discovered that i had really high mold mold levels And we started it. We had our home inspected. Our landlord happened to be very much on board with that. Bear very supportive and we found some pretty significant high levels of very toxic mold growing in this house kind of underneath the surface so i ended up leaving the home for about three weeks. My husband who was not feeling the drastic health issues. And and i would love to talk about that too nick in that you can have people in the same household who one person can be very sick or a few family members very sick and then other people not sick at all and we have theories around why that's happening but luckily my husband maybe was experiencing some hormonal dysregulation and in some issues. But i was able to go back to colorado and stay at a friend's house for three weeks and our landlords very fortunate because my husband's very handy and he was able to do a bulk of the remediation Making the house at least safe for me I didn't mention to that. I'd also kind of spontaneously developed asthma. Which i never had in my life so it was interesting. You know just getting out of the and you know being in that safer place in colorado. My asthma just went away immediately. And i'd had to go. I went to see a doctor. And i was using an inhaler here in north carolina and so i instantly started feeling better when i got out of this environment But i ended up coming back. And i was able to help my husband with some of them remediation. It really took us about three months. Total and it's been a journey has been Really going on about a year. And a half and i would say that i'm about eighty percents improved but i i still have a little ways to go so mold related a number on me. Yeah that's that's an overview for you. I'd like to take a quick moment to make you aware of some important resources that are available to you. The first is to make you aware that. I not only see patients in my practice. Asheville north carolina but also have a virtual practice where i consult with patients worldwide through telehealth. So it doesn't matter where you live in the world. We could consult through our telehealth software. The second resource is the resources page on my website. Where i list all of the supplements and products. I use both personally and in my practice this can be found at dr hedberg dot com forward slash resources and the third resource is for healthcare practitioners. Who want to learn functional medicine or improve their functional medicine skills. I offer online. Functional medicine courses at the hedberg institute which is my online functional medicine education platform. You can see all the courses. I offer at hedberg institute dot com and sign up to watch a sample course video at no charge. That's hedberg institute dot com and now back to the show. The immune system remembers. That's one of the difficult parts about it and you mentioned testing. So what what does that. Look like for people. If they suspect that they have a mold issue. Why don't we. Why don't we start with home. Testing are those other regional labs. That will do this or is there. You know a standard test people can get you know that it's it's tricky area to work in because it's relatively new and i don't mind sharing with you that I've done a deep dive. I i love learning and then when something like this happens. I think i want to advocate for myself and my clients so i've recently attended three three big deal mold conferences. I mean it was really bringing the best in the world to these conferences. And they were presenting on this very issue. And i mean i i do want to come back to something you said. You know how to someone if they suspect they have mold. How do they start testing. And i want to answer that question. But i would like to circle back around to. How does someone know. Or how would they suspect they might have a mold issue. So i'd like to come back and speak to that in a minute Right now we. We could really look at this two different ways. You could start by testing your home or if you suspect that you have mould illness you could test yourself. And our best tests right. Now are urine mycotoxin. So think about it. This way is an organism. I think we're all familiar with it. We can picture mold growing on yogurt or bread and it's white or green or blue and it's fuzzy So when mold grows it needs substrate like in the case of bread That that works and then it also needs moisture. So if you have those two things combined you can grow mould but mold makes spores spores are very tiny and they can float around in the environment. I mean just walking through a room or having your h fax system running and circulating air these spores will filter all throughout you know the area and then they can land on surfaces and if those surfaces have dirt or substrate like would and then also moisture so in the southeast we have high humidity so moisture's it's pretty easy to find And then we certainly could have issues with a hall. Mike having water damage. Leaky pipes Maybe a basement. that's not sealed. Well maybe the foundation doesn't have good run off and tho- water seeps in and gets the walls just damp and wet and they're behind drywall. and so there can be hidden sources of this moisture in substrate growing. But these spores are so small that they can move through drywall. And they can filter around the air and they can grow mould and other places another aspect of mold that a lot of people don't realize is that molds produce volatile organic compounds and they're just just teeny tiny particles and they can readily move through drywall. And even they can move around easier than spores can and these micro-toxins as volatile organic compounds have the propensity to make some people very sick. If they're associated with certain types of molds. Like black molds. Really anyone can get sick. But we've been able to identify that. There's this subset in the population and we're estimating that about twenty. Five percent of the human race has a genetic insufficiency in the ability of their immune system to identify that. There's been this mycotoxin exposure and then be able to get rid of it. Mean the other seventy. Five percent of the population can have a mold exposure and again anyone can get sick. Especially if it's the real toxic black molds but that seventy five percent of the population could maybe you get a headache or a little fatigue and just not feel well and then they could go outside the fresh air and they feel better That twenty five percent is a very troublesome portion of our population Because if you're in that twenty five percent it's almost like you're a canary in the coal. Mine that if you have an exposure to mold and micro-toxins and they enter your body via breathing or through food through ingestion they can even move in your body through your skin than they accumulate there and oftentimes your body. Just can't detoxify and get rid of them. And i really love that. You're so knowledgeable about the immune system because we are seeing this activation of the deep Amid della in the brain the reptilian portion of the brain recognizing that there's a toxin in the body the body can't get rid of and we're seeing this production of cytokine kind storm very very similar to what is happening with long haulers with covid nineteen and also people who have chronic tick borne illness. You know we'll see this chronic cytokine storm activation and that twenty five percent are people who can be just really dysfunctional meaner people that end up on disability. Or you know in sharing my story. You know someone who very vibrant full of life very optimistic. And i'm just having to lie on the floor in my office. You know is it was. It was not sweat was happening to me. So you know we have to think about You know if you suspect. Something's going on in your house. You know you would maybe actually see water damage. You might see mold growing or you might even notice Kind of a mill. Dewey type smell or an odor Often times that's really common in basements and people think. Oh that's normal. That's a basement. I've even had clients that have had actual natural springs running through their crawlspace which is very problematic. So so you have to think about. Is there a possibility that there's a moisture issue in my house and arguably Almost every house could potentially have a moisture issue last. So you know in the drier. More arid regions of the us. Like where i was from in colorado and you can still have water damage but you can have moisture issues. Just be if you have an opening system and we're really finding this issue called sick building syndrome where homes have been built so energy efficient and so tight and then if you have an air conditioning system and if it's undersized oversized or if there's irt in your fax system and then there's moisture accumulating We see that as a big source. So they're all these ideas you have to start thinking about and then you you start a stain well in my testing because the individual person is not feeling well and they've got a chronic illness they've got a myriad of mystery symptoms and we don't know what's going on or you know is that in combination with it. Looks like the house has been exposed to water so we can look at two different scenarios there. And i'm gonna say from what i've learned recently the best and easiest and most economical way to test. Your home is by what's called gravity plate so these are sterile petri dishes that have a substrate in them that is favorable to growing fungus. Not bacteria so we can kind of encourage the growth of mold and different types of fungus like even canada can grow on this substrate and it's pretty inexpensive I've been working a lot with a company. And do you mind if i mentioned specific companies neck. Oh definitely metronome okay. great And this is also coming from the conferences. These are from the the world experts in mold are also recommending this that you start by reaching out to a company called immunomedics and they offer these sterile gravity plates and they charged thirty three dollars per plate. So you you go on line and you choose the number of plates and you might decide like where we live in the south nick I have a lot of clients test their car because think of how often you know we're running around and we get drenched and soaked and jump in our car and were wet and we get home and close up our car and go inside and so interesting. And i even had a client wants. This is so interesting that she had bought a used car and she didn't know that it had a hepatic filter that needed it was supposed to be replaced. Every time she had an oil change and she didn't know it was there and she'd had the car for about eight years she had mold. Illness was very sick. And you know there was some minor things going on in her home that she remediated and had fixed and then when we got she. Her husband had to do some work on the dashboard of her car and he had the dashboard pulled apart and he found this filter and to access that you had to pull the glove box out and then get in and removed this air filter. It wasn't an easy thing to find and replace but he pulled that out and it was covered in black mold in her car. So with this company immunomedics you know you really have to kind of think about well. Do i wanna test if you have a basement definitely especially if it smells mildew and then start poking around your house or your car In your home you might think about testing somewhere where you spend a lot of time again office or somewhere where you're sleeping and then definitely you know in a bathroom. I have a lot of clients in this area. Have a venting van in their bathroom. And so there showering mold just as readily gonna grow. And they'll oftentimes tell me how when i look up at the ceiling. I see some light brown spots. Or some. You know light black or greenish spots on the ceiling and i definitely get mold in my grouch and in the Sealant around the tub. And and then. I encourage them to poke their head underneath the bathroom sink in the kitchen sink. And if they smell anything meal dewey or see any dripping me we definitely wanna be testing those areas so for thirty three dollars. You can order these plates and all you do is open them up there sealed. Take the lid off and leave them sitting out for about an hour. Put the lid back on and seal them with tape and then you stick them in a dark place like a cupboard for about three to five days and then you pull them out and look at them and if you start seeing wow there's there's a lot growing there there's a a lot of numbers there's a lot of colors. There's a lot going on. Then you go ahead and send them into the lab and have them analyzed and there is a check mark on the paperwork with immunomedics that you can ask to have The lab call you and go over your results with you. And they're wonderful. They're i mean my clients. Love talking to the lab people at immunomedics in. So it's a really good way to just get a basic assessment I'm gonna tell you and your listeners trick about this company and that is if you call their phone number and you tell them that you would only like to order the petri dishes by themselves. They charge. I think it's about two ninety five so it's like three bucks to order these plates and you just order the plates and pay shipping and then they come and you know you can get ten of them if you want. You know for thirty bucks plus shipping. That's very reasonable. And then you put them out and then you only send in the ones that happened to be growing something if they're growing something for analysis And the company will even suggest that you know if you're putting these plates out and maybe put let's say six out and four of them are growing something but there may be growing like one or two little spots on them. After three to five days that would indicate that you likely don't have a significant mold problem in your house but if you're looking at that plate and it's like covered or there's multiple varieties and multiple numbers. Then you definitely want to send it in. And so it's a little trick i've learned with cost saving to just order. The plates see what grows send in the ones that are growing something for analysis. And then you only get charged for those plates So that's a great way to start testing your home. If things come back positive then you really need to work with an expert A mold remediation specialist. I mean someone who can come in and do an assessment of your living space and then give you some ideas about what you need to do and lately. We are discouraging people from hiring someone who does both the testing and assessment of your home and the remediation. Because we're just suspect that some of those people are you know they wanna find things because they want to do remediation and big box and big income for them. So you almost want to separate those two out if that makes sense Yeah so that. That's how we recommend getting started testing yourself your home And if some of your listeners are interested from the conferences i've attended. I have started compiling a list of very reputable mold inspection and remediation companies in the us and they tend to Some of them are doing video based appointments. Stop sure how that's working. But they're doing it in kobe times. And they're they're very reputable. And i bring that up. Because not every mold testing or mold. Remediation company is the same There's a lot of them. That haven't been trained in the brand new current information so i i do have a compiled list. And if it's something that you want me to share with you to share with your listeners. I would be happy to do that. Yeah i'll put the immuno. Let it immunomedics blink with the The transcript oats and that document like that that you suggested. Yeah so what about air filters is that going to help at all like Getting a good quality air filter in your house in your bedroom having that running all the time or is not going to make much of a difference. You know if you have these small spores and the micro-toxins It can help a little and it can. It might be helpful for that. Seventy five percent but for the twenty five percents It's it's not gonna make a big difference. I mean until you find the sourcing at the source cleaned up and out of the space It doesn't do a lot So it's it's pretty problematic when there's some old issue for the people that are in that twenty five percent Locker so can i just to to that that we once you've found mold and you mediated and you're trying to really have good quality air. I you know i've heard. Have you heard this nick that it's you you can You need that. The the rule of threes I'm trying to gather my thoughts around this. So the rule of threes. In that you die if you don't have oxygen within three minutes You you can three minutes without oxygen. You can go three days without water and you can go thirty days without food and so that idea of making sure that the air that you're breathing is good as a really big deal And so yes. You wanna have a really good filter At the mold conferences they were recommending a merv thirteen or higher. So that's that's just a good number to have everyone kind of tuck in their mind that you want to be looking for a good quality air filter and you want to change it regularly and some people do feel better. I run and an arrow acis air cleaner in my office. I it puts out a little bit of ozone which bothers me. So i run it at night and then during the day i move it to my bedroom so i'm always cleaning the air and my environment now because once you have a sensitivity to something like micro-toxins it's very common that you also have other multiple chemical sensitivities and i find. That's true for me. I have a real hard time as a lot of my clients walking down the cleaning aisle of the grocery store. Just the smells Or if i have someone walked by me that even if i'm out of the park on a walk and right now we're trying to social distance with covid but if i have someone walk by that's got real strong Perfume on or you know. Body care products manages. It makes me dizzy. It makes my head spin. And so i am focusing on keeping the air in the environment that i work in live in a little cleaner than it. It probably needs to be. But i think it's been something important in my health journey and i have a lot of clients who do the same thing they make. Sure the air filters good change it regularly and then they might consider investing in a good quality air cleaner and there are some some really good air filters And for the h back you know most of those just have about. It's usually about twenty by sixteen somewhere round there size filter Is there anything else you can do there other than just changing it regularly. You know we ended up Getting device installed on our furnace. That said i a- nizer and so it's part of the intake of our h vac system that as the air is coming into the system essentially it gets ionized. The ionizer kills volatile organic compounds. You know we've done a. We did a really good job of cleaning up this home but the fact of the matter is. There's there's some things that micro-toxins can stick in. That are really hard to clean so we just wanna that added assurance. I don't have a lot of clients who go to that extreme But it's something that we did here And you mentioned urinary mycotoxin testing. Are there any particular labs that you recommend. Yeah so that's a great next conversation piece so we kind of talked about if you suspect. Something's going on in your home. What do you do well. Oftentimes that's usually the second step with my clients. Usually the first step is that someone has been chronically ill. They're not feeling well and they've been multiple doctors. They've ruled out everything. I'm and oftentimes there. General lab data like a cbc complete blood count and a comprehensive metabolic panel and general bloodwork usually looks pretty good and so the doctors telling them that you know no one can have all these symptoms and we can talk about symptoms in a minute But you know no one can be the sick. This is in your head you need to. You need an antidepressant And that's usually. I ended up getting clients that are just like i can barely go to work. I can barely function the just telling me. I have depression and i need therapy. And i need an antidepressant. And and they're saying i know something's wrong with me and so we usually will start By a screening process and so a lot of the information we have about biotoxin illness comes from. Have you heard of him. Richie shoemaker neck use. Yeah also he's piece pretty famous and the lime world and biotoxin illness and he really kind of did some groundbreaking work about twenty years ago with a big group of doctors anna. I think he's been amazing for people with chronic illnesses and chronic inflammatory response syndrome. What i'm finding. Is that a lot of these doctors. Now that are experts in this field started working with richie shoemaker and then they tended to for various reasons i it sounds like there was a lot of personality issues. They all tend to tend to to break off and they're doing their own thing now But that foundational work. Richie shoemaker There's some aspects of it that people still use and one of them is a biotoxins survey. And i would be happy to share this with you too. It's it's not mine. It's ritchie shoemakers. And a lot of these lime doctors will just run a basic biotoxin illness survey and what it is is thirteen bullet points and next to the bullet points. Are these random symptoms and you have people look at that and if they are positive for symptoms in eight or more of these bullet points than that's a big indicator that someone likely has this chronic inflammatory response going on then the next step if if people are positive for that You know we like to start basic Because mold illness can be very costly. And i don't wanna start urine testing someone. Unless i feel like i have a really good reason to do it so i am doing a really good history. I'm asking them about possible. Mold exposures even take bites because they can be kind of related We'll do that Biotoxin illness survey from richie shoemaker. If that's positive than i will have my clients do a contrast sensitivity test and this is an online test. It takes about ten minutes. It costs ten dollars. So it's pretty cheap and it's a test that was developed by the us military about forty years ago and it still used with The air force so it's a validated test. It is not a diagnostic tool so the biotoxins screen. I just told you about is not a diagnostic tool it's an assessment and then the visual contrast sensitivity test again is not diagnostic. But it's the general assessment. And it's looking at the cones in the back of the eye and the cones can be heavily influenced by Inflammatory cytokines And you probably would be better at explaining inflammatory. Cytokines your listeners than i would but there's the cytokine kind of storm. That happens That it's it's really this inflammatory. Response that even affects the body profoundly at the cellular level and at the capillary level. And so think about the tiny capillaries that are feeding the back of the eye to provide oxygen and nutrients there. And if there's all this inflammation going on there and it really affects the cones in the back of the eye that determine our ability to see gray white and black so it's a know checking the ability of your eyes to be able to see this contrast takes about ten minutes to set up your computer you pay ten dollars and it assesses for essentially biotoxin illness And the site kind damage going on in the back of the eye. So then i'll have my clients run that test and if they're positive for both those things and then maybe they know they've had a mold exposure all move forward and move onto the testing and there was a lot of the testing was has been presented in these recent conferences and and validates. The information i received at the conferences. I did attend. It's called ice by conference. Some that's an organization that's i s. E is so it's the international society of environmentally acquired illnesses. And it's the best doctors in the world and a lot of them started with richie shoemaker. And they've broken off and now they just have a real heart and passion for helping people who are chronically sick and so they're leading the way for all of us and they say it's very controversial. There's one doctor. His name is dr andrew campbell who is offering a blood test for I g g antibodies to micro-toxins and mold it's very controversial. And most of the doctors that i've been affiliated with and learning from do not agree with it at all so that really leaves us with the only other way to really test. Human body is through your end And we know that mold mycotoxin can make metabolites that we can measure in urine and we can also actually measure these micro-toxins in urine. So i'm gonna talk about three tests The first one is really interesting and came up a lot. Recently and conferences is running a urine organic acid test and especially the one from great plains labs because great plains labs on their first page they test for seventy six different anna lights on that test that they're looking at in urine and on the first page the first nine markers have to do with fungal growth but that test test for candida and things. That are calm. I think we think about a lot. But it also is testing for the possibility of mold colonization in the body and this sounds a little gross but think about the sinus cavity is being warm and moist And even the gastrointestinal tract so hollow spaces belongs the sinuses. The gastrointestinal tract. So we're finding that. If mold spores are ingested we're getting especially colonization of the gi tract. So the organic acid test from great plains. Labs will test for mold colonization in the gut. So some people there mold exposure is actually coming from mold. That's growing in their body man if we can identify that and take care of it than the nets really helpful information so on a lot of my clients. I like to run that organic acid test in combination with another test. Great plains labs offers and is their urine mycotoxin test so there's really two good urine tests right now. One of them is Planes labs and they're using liquid chromatography mass spectrometry. The other company is real time labs or Actually there's a third company. That's a little bit newer on the plainfield in its vibrant health vibrant wellness both Let's see real time in. Vibrant health are using a leisa testing through the urine. So they're doing different types of testing and the the best mold experts out there are saying that both companies test they test different things and they test different way and if someone really wants good information they really need to run both tests that gets costly. you know real time labs Somehow they got approval through medicare. So if you have a doctor ordering the test so it has to be medical doctor ordering and if they know how to code it right and real time labs helps doctor's with this. You can get that test. Hundred percent covered otherwise they're working on their pricing. It was six hundred and ninety nine dollars for that test that test for five micro-toxins and they've been able to pull the price point down under four hundred dollars now and they're being very competitive with great plains labs and their test is about three hundred fifty dollars for that test So experts and i mentioned a name. Here dr neil nathan. He actually wrote a great book. A toxic heal your body. And i recommend all my clients read it. Who have molds toxicity and or lime disease. It's a phenomenal book. But his preference is that both tests are ron than we get the most most data from them and then vibrant health I'm not sure what to think about their test. Nail nathan recently said. He's kind of sitting on it. He's not sure on how valuable he thinks. Their information is so he's giving it a little time and yet i know some other big doctors in the mold arena. One of them is dr joe. Carnahan from she's institute of functional medicine trained dr. She has started doing the vibrant health testing. I have a couple of clients who see her and they've shared their vibrant health test results with me and they're much more comprehensive but it's it's bit controversial so at this point i feel very comfortable having my clients. Run great plains. labs. And i'll tell you the reason why nick is. The great plains is testing for eleven. Micro-toxins real. Labs is testing for five. But they're both testing for different things. And it's rare. That i find that i have a client who can afford both so to give you an idea about this real time. Labs as measuring The mycotoxin called okra toxin a and try coasties scenes and aflatoxin. A whole group of them and glee toxin and Chadha globo sin and glee toxin and chattanooga boasts an are from black mold their horribly toxic. And so it would be really good to know that information when we're at great plains labs. They're testing from zero leinen Some aflatoxin and okra toxin and then one called stereo matab. Some of them are hard for me to say. I'm an as yet right. I know it's a my tongue gets wrapped around them a little bit. But it's amana tried against or geo motto seissan and then reirden e very karen a and b glow toxin. Microphone like acid and michael phenolic. Acid is a very interesting one. Nick because it. It's very very dramatically suppresses the immune system and it's actually made into a drug so people who have organ transplants actually receive microphone illich acid in a prescription drug forum to help with organ rejection But then The other two so eleven. Total from great plains labs the chatham globo season and then sit trenin so if my clients are really limited funds. I just go right to great plains labs because at least we get the opportunity to look at eleven micro-toxins. It could be down the road that i decide. You know that the vibrant america. That's testing even more. I might end up going that route. If feeling really confident about the data that they're providing But i agree with nail nathan. If it's possible i want my clients running both real time and great plains labs but it's rare that it happens. I really want clients running an organic acid test and the urine mycotoxin test So we know if they've been colonized by mold and then we also know if they also have micro-toxins present Neil nathan also advises that you provoke before these tests to get most accurate data. You know in the body has a big toxic burden. It tends to take those toxins and tuck them in and hide them in safe places and an example is that sells a safe place to stick these toxic substances in the body and so we want to encourage the body to start releasing some of those stores so we get a better idea of body burden. So neil nathan recommends taking four hundred to five hundred milligrams of glutathione am and pm for six days and then on day. Seven doing the urine collection. He also recommends avoiding any binders at least three to five days before the collection. Because the binders can be binding the toxins. And then you don't get a good idea of what the body burden is and he'll also add a tip that it's helpful to have some sort of Heat exposure so sauna it could be dry or steam or i are or even a hot bath so having some sort of heat exposure the night before you collect you can be really mobilize these toxins and get a better idea I want to be cautious about that. Because i have a lot of people i work with. That are highly sensitive to that load of. That's a lot of glutathione. And i have a lot of clients who Just because they have biotoxin illness they're highly highly sensitive and they can't tolerate any glutathione They might start. And i might have even start a couple of days ahead and maybe try. You know using some liposuction. Glutathione such as from quicksilver labs. It's a pump bottle and they can just start with one pump and see how they feel and if they just feel awful than neil. Nathan's recommendation is that you have them. Stop the glutathione and just go ahead and collect their urine and kind of skip that provocation. interesting so you mentioned mold growing in particular body. Cavities like the sinuses lungs guts. I just want to mention as an aside before anyone listening with auto immunity. And he kind of growth. Like that of a microbe in those cavities. Going to drive interleukin seventeen which is gonna drive. T h seventeen cells and those are the cells that drive auto immunity and on top of that. When you drive t h seventeen going to inhibit the t h one system of the body. Which is there to fight off infections like viruses and bacteria. So you'll be more prone to activation of viruses like epstein barr. Herpes six and things like that. And then at the same time. When those two are activated you'll drive t h two which is going to drive allergies and asthma and you mentioned earlier your story you know you just develop asthma Which you had never had before and then and then when you were gone it went away. So that's just as as an aside some things to think about if if you're dealing with chronic infection other than bold where if you have auto immunity and i really appreciate your time that in and i love the knowledge that you have the immune system and because You know you're speaking to that a lot better than i could ever speak to that search and your rights when we look at overall health effects for mold we certainly You know mold is a potent activator of mast cells and so we will see people that have pretty significant and severe allergies and even asthma and we will see activation I've i've heard in the. I read in the scientific literature that it's estimated that about eighty percent of us are walking around with Level and bar that we were exposed as kids and were walking around with it in our immune system typically will keep it in check but when something like this happens with mold and the immune system is suppressed than we can see the immune system's not looking out for us anymore and we will see somewhere it's chronic reactivated epstein barr virus cytomegalovirus. We'll see them having more frequent Viral herpes outbreaks And so will will see people just all over. They just feel awful. We also think that this is that tie in to lyme disease. is suspected. This came out in the ici conference. It's suspected that about fifty percent of us are walking around with some sort of insect borne illness And our immune system if it's healthy just keeps it in check and it's no big deal but when you go through something like mold toxicity Or even. I think you. Well know this nick to that. Even you know highly stressful events. can suppress the immune system. So it's not just mold but you know you can get an activation of these tick borne illnesses and it could be classic line. Borelli bergdorf ri- or it could be one of the co infections. There's many of them but we can see someone who all the sudden is testing positive for lime disease and they might be saying something that while i remember a tick bite when i was six or i don't even ever remember being bit by tick but we know that's other things like fleas ticks mites Other bugs carry tick borne illnesses. So we think a lot of us have the possibility of having these microorganisms in us that when the immune system is suppressed. Then we see this activation. So i often emceeing clients that have biotoxin illness in the form of mold and then they're also testing positive for lime. What i find really interesting is that it's an this really speaks to the work. That neil nathan has done is that addressing. The mold is a big deal and if we can address the mold and support the immune system. Oftentimes the immune system can come in and help the body go back to suppressing these viral type infections or tick borne bacteria. And we don't necessarily have to go into these big treatment protocols for all of these other types of infections in the body Yeah homo sapiens. I mean we are really walking bags of microorganisms and but we pile on top of that usually significant trauma history going back to childhood into adulthood. Major major stress environmental toxins a poor diets. I mean you just keep piling things on top of it and and then certain people will just break down the immune system just can't keep up with With a lifetime of accumulation. so what about other other diseases. I mentioned auto immunity and then you mentioned asthma and smother things but are there any other conditions that really stand out to you that someone might be thinking they have mold at absolutely so so certainly the viral load like we talked about and then if someone has mast cell activation disorder or just really horrible allergies If they have a lot of methylation dysfunction. I know that that's kind of a broad category That might affect their ability to make sammy. That's the major methyl donor in the body. And there's a lot of repercussions from that Cancer somebody's micro-toxins actually are carcinogenic in the body. So we suspect it there Reactivation of viral bacterial parasitic type infections. We'll see limbic system dysfunction bagel nerve dysfunction so people who are predisposed to like chronic cbo chronic gastrointestinal problems. Maybe they've had multiple courses of cbo protocols and it could be prescription. Antibiotics reflects amon and faxon. And they've maybe done some herbal protocols in it's just like its refractory keeps coming back and they just can't seem to get their got sorted out We really think a lot of this is happening. Because of the ability of micro-toxins tick borne illnesses And even even thinking covid nineteen In those long haulers Initiates the cell danger response And in you again probably can speak more to sell danger response than i can but really it means that at the cellular level the human body is fearful like in fighter flight mode thinking that there is something terrible going on and we have to be in this protection mode all the time and we're finding even that people who get their home remediated and they Get their body. Get support for detoxification. Essentially they shouldn't have symptoms anymore will still have symptoms and that we have to work on some sort of brain retraining. There are a couple of programs You know that. Neil nathan recommends. Dnr s it's the anti hopper program dynamic neural retraining system and then i think it's ass shop gupta. He has the gupta program which is different. Neural retraining program. There bit expensive and they don't necessarily resonate with all my clients Some some really. Don't like the any hopper program because it's Standing in these circles and she wants to do these activities and reciting things for a couple of hours every day. And i just have a lot of clients. You're like i don't have that kind of time. I don't wanna pay for the program and i feel goofy. You know putting these circles on the floor and stepping into them and and so the the ashok gupta. The gupta program is more based on it. Resonates more with me. I'm a yoga teacher. And he really works. More from a meditation standpoint I still have people. That just can't afford them. They need that neural re-training. they've got. It helped their brain learn from that that deep reptilian amid olov light Danger response that. Everything's okay and i'm okay and i'm in a safe environment and you need to calm down. You need to stop making these kinds and so there's even basic book. It's called neuro sculpting. I don't remember the author but it's on amazon and a lot of my clients will just get that book and they'll read the book on kind of retraining their brain to help their body realize that they're safe I was wondering to go ahead. We're going to that. Was is it neuro sculpting or neural scope sculpting narrow narrow skulled sculpting. Yeah i'll i'll look that up and linked to. yeah yeah. i think it's a really. It's a great book But i was wondering if it would be helpful for your listeners. To hear the myriad of symptoms that can be associated with your biotoxin illness. Okay so you have. To tuck in. Here is quite a list where they can go on google and Be extremely afraid. After after dr google tells them what's wrong and we all joke. You know that. You go on google dr google and the ant everything right so yeah so. I think it's good to know. And i liked that biotoxin Surveys really helpful. But i will read this list to you So fatigue and weakness muscle aches cramps unusual pain and this is very specific. You'll hear people talk about ice. Pick pain or lightning bolt pain or they'll even refer to it as electric shocks and i did. I had electric shocks. It was weird. They were running up and down my legs and we think that happens from electrolyte imbalances caused by biotoxin illness. had headache sensitivity. To bright light is tearing and blurred vision. People will talk about tunnel vision as well and chronic sinus congestion or propensity to having chronic sinus infections. That just can't clear up. We'll see a cough chest pain shortness of breath we'll see people complain about abdominal pain and chronic irritable bowel syndrome. will see diarrhea joint. Pain tendinitis Morning stiffness people just waking up and they just like Can't move my body getting out of bed and we'll see a lot of different cognitive impairments specifically difficult difficulties with recent memory. Hard time assimilating new information. Trouble word finding You know used to be able to calculate a tip and handle numbers. And you're like what's wrong with me Confusion sustaining concentration disorientation. And people will say brain fog. And i can't figure it out they'll have be very sensitive to light touch possibly and not all these symptoms fit everybody neck but You know the fact that these sida kinds have on. Everyone's system makes this very individual but oftentimes will have people that have like half of these symptoms or at least a third of them but we'll also see mood swings appetite swings Sweats night sweats difficulty with temperature regulation. And you know this is someone who you know the the classic doctor even good functional medicine provider like you. You would have done a good thyroid workup on them. And even you're optimizing their thyroid your. They're not coming around. They'll see numbness tingling And random like they can't even in put a finger on it. They'll feel vertigo. Have a metallic taste in the mouth. They oftentimes have excessive thirst and frequent urination. These will be clients that you know all. I used to see them in my office and they would come in with a big jug of water and they were just sipping water the whole time like they couldn't quench their thirst and they were running. You know in an hour appointment. They were running to the bathroom three times in so must like fluid goes straight through them. And it's because of the fact that micro-toxins have on the pituitary gland and affecting anti diuretic on is really low and not working well And then we'll see sensitivity to static shock so People who touch doorknob or light. Switches or car handles or you know someone kisses someone and gets a little shock. They're highly sensitive to that We're seeing impotence low libido sharia which is religious regulated and very heavy menstrual cycles. you know. Undiagnosed nausea and vomiting. And then you know so those are big symptoms. And that's quite a list to me. What do you think about it. Yeah i mean it makes sense immunologically all those symptoms and how it's going to affect the you mentioned the limbic system or and then the hypothalamus pituitary. Yeah that all makes sense so And has spoken to this fact who that mold toxicity is often missed and misdiagnosed so he says to just really have it on your radar that if you're ever seen a client or a patient and they're telling you they have fibromyalgia you need to. You need to be thinking about mold. And he also talked about someone coming in news diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome or anything. That's atypical and i've had this happen. I had a client come to see me who she was. Diagnosed with atypical. Ms and we've discovered it was mold. So atypical ms rheumatoid arthritis alzheimer's parkinson's And also straight up alzheimer's and parkinson's We've had some dramatic stories of people fully healing from you know a serious form of dementia like alzheimer's or parkinson's disease because they had mold toxicity And it's not. I don't wanna give people false hope. Those are complex illnesses. And oftentimes what. I work with clients in our area of dementia. Oftentimes they have multiple things going on and that we can get them some degree better by discovering something like biotoxin illness Anytime you hear about someone having asthma chronic city itis and then even Psych- psychiatric issues like anxiety. Depression people will talk about de personalization. Like they have no sense of self anymore. They have cognitive impairment mood swings. Obsessive compulsive disorder Those are all things that when you hear that you need to be thinking. Wow have i person- about mold exposure. Or maybe i need to do that. Biotoxins survey and have them do the visual contrast sensitively test Those are big flags Excellent and you. You have a case study that you wanted to talk about. What did we get into that. I think that'd be great This is a recent client I thought your listeners might find this interesting to just kind of see what this might look like in a real life scenario This is a man that i recently started working with We were just going on like the two month mark. He's fifty one years old. He lives in the pacific northwest. So there's a lot of rain there. He lives in an older home and they have done a lot of work to remodel. The home You know and they love it. They've they've lived in the home for awhile but some background information on him as he has been seen multiple providers over the last three years for horrible restless leg syndrome and he seen some really good providers. These are really savvy sin. Doctors naturopathic doctors And they have done all the all the basic stuff you would think of with rl lasts. I mean they've had him try low dose trek sound. They've cutting you know he is on a did a real good elimination diet fixed his god they discovered he had a parasite So very thorough workup and this man is in the last three years sleeping about four hours night. He is so exhausted He's working from home. And the really the the lack of sleep and the rls are his predominant symptoms along with having arrhythmias and he's even had some surgical procedures done He's had an ablation done to his heart. Because of these arrhythmias which that that can be a symptom of mold illness as well you know. And then looking at his lab data he also. This is something that i'm seeing and people that have real severe mold illness to black mold. He is very anemic but his fairton level is through the roof You know and we know that farrington is an acute phase reacted. So if there's some sort of infection or high level of inflammation going on in the body we'll see ferret an elevated am with him. It's in the presence of Very low iron and very nemec But really for the most part. I'm his platelets are low. And for the most part the rest of his labs actually look okay Multiple doctors multiple work ups. And then something else. I found so interesting about him is that he is married and his wife's health is pretty good. He has two daughters. One of the daughters misdiagnosed with sealy disease and the other daughter has been diagnosed with ealers. Las syndrome And if your listeners. Don't know what that is it's a lot joint lacks laxity. And very hyper flexible. Hyper bendy And so and that actually. I didn't mention it before too but he lers down losses associated with mold illness so when i first started working with this man. I'm right away. We did The the symptoms cluster analysis that biotoxins screen. I told you about and he was positive for ten out of the thirteen symptoms so we went ahead and i'll read his specific symptoms. He has fatigue problem. Finding words weakness. Achey nece difficulty with new knowledge assimilation. Concentration problems joint. Pain morning stiffness He's got tingling and in his skin. and heightened sensitivity overall to everything to smells to light to noise he's sinus congestion and chronic nasal drainage his body temperature very dis- regulated once. He gets cold. He can't warm up and he's got diarrhea and loose stools experiences excessive sweating and mood swings so all this is going on and he's trying to be functional and support his family Then to me really Was a red flag. Hearing about his other family members also not doing while. Accept his wife's doing fine. You know so. These two daughters that are related to him Especially the one with healers downloads syndrome. So he went on and did the visual contrast sensitivity test and he ended up being positive for biotoxin illness and nutrient deficiencies on that related to his vision. And so we just Just yesterday i mean the timing is good. Here are just yesterday. I got back his organic acid test and his mold test results and the mold test results are. I'm i haven't actually contacted him yet. So i'm gonna be calling him later today. But he has got to potent black molds in his system. The micro-toxins from these molds And one i just in mike oh breathing a sigh of relief for this man because he's ready to have to go on disability he really can't function anymore and is just so depressed and so desperate so i'm really looking forward to contacting him today and the next step is that we're gonna I'll have him reach out to immuno lyrics and we're going to start with testing his home and i'm also going to help support. Get him started on a detox protocol which is going to be really challenging because he so sensitive to everything. His diet is incredibly limited multiple food sensitivities multiple allergies to foods medications. And so what really might have to happen. The ideal scenario for this man is that he and his family should probably leave their home and even if that means that they find a an airbnb that you know they feel pretty safe and they at least get out of this environment for maybe two or three weeks just to see how they all feel. That would probably be an important next step while they're also doing the immune olympics testing to see what's going on in the home And then we'll move forward from there but he actually might have to get out of that environment before we can really start working on a detox protocol for him Interesting well that's that's great and he finally has some answers which i'm sure is just going to help him. Psychologically because you know these people have been told by so many that that either. There's nothing wrong with them or it's just something psychological. So are there any other areas. You'd like to cover any final parting thoughts. You know. I wanna give people a message of hope and i feel i have the empathy because i've been through this and i understand that mold. Toxicity is a tough one because it opens the door to you. Know you've got to support your body's ability to heal and detoxify and we have good strategies for that. We have really good information now about how to up regulate liver detoxification and stimulate the gallbladder and we get rid of these toxins primarily through the liver dumping them into the small intestine. We combine them And we also know that sweating. We actually have studies now where we're measuring How much say. Okra toxin a that's mycotoxin. How much of that is in sweat so we know how to open up detox pathways And we also are learning now how to help people in more economically way. Identify possible mould problems in their living environment or their car. Like we said. And i want to give people a measure You know a sense of hope And i hope my story is one of a sense of hope. And while i'm going to say that i'm eighty percent back I still have a ways to go but at least time. You know back at work fulltime. Doing what i love from with my job and you know very much engaged in my life again and i really It's interesting and i've had a lot of clients. Explain this to meet. You and i definitely experienced this. That when i was so down and out and i didn't know what was going on. I would just have these profound moments. Where i felt like i was dying and i. It was beyond tears. I mean it was so deep within my soul. And i've never felt anything like that. I'm incredibly optimistic and upbeat person. I'm always you know. Turn the lemons into lemonade. And i have never experienced anything like that. And i want to give people hope who might be experiencing something like that that there could be this underlying cause and there could be a chance to to fix it It can be costly and you know i. I got a little frustrated at conferences. I attended because a lot of providers. Were asking these experts. What you do when someone can't afford to have their home remediated or can't afford to move and they didn't have a lot of good answers for that. It's almost like mould illnesses for people who have resources right because there's not a lotta support You know the the government doesn't recognize this as being a big problem and so oftentimes it's people you know finding the right provider who can guide their process and I do have a lot of people who do their on remediation but there are some people too sick to do that But in in the end. I i guess i'm kind of talking about some negative things again. But in the end there are a lot of possibilities for improving health and getting to the bottom of situations and i've had clients to really crazy things. I had a client that was in a terrible apartment and their landlord was not helpful and they had to get out of it and so they were able to live on a houseboat. You know she and her husband and and it was not well sealed and it was really cold but it had a lot of fresh air in it and they felt a lot better in the house. Vote until they could find a better living situation. And i worked with another woman who was very sick and she Her her husband didn't understand. I get this a lot because there will be one person in the family who's really sick and then the other people in the family aren't especially if it's a partner and in this case it was the husband and he was saying things like what's wrong with you you know i'm i'm fine. You know. why are you so sick. You know there's something wrong with you and you know in not necessarily meaning to be hurtful but it was really hurtful and this woman felt terrible and she did a lot of reading and studying and she really felt like there was a mold problem and then she got michael. She did mycotoxin testing and she was really high But the husband just stike was really planning this fees saying this isn't a problem else's sick you know. This can't be a real issue and she ended up sleeping in a tent in her backyard and she felt so much. Better doing it Eventually her husband came around and they tested. The house found a lot of molds and one of their kids was a little sick to and you know the kid had chronic. Asthma and the kid got better. And and so. There's there's this dynamic around all this to around per interpersonal interactions and emotions. And then when someone doesn't feel well how do fight for themselves so I really like empowering people and helping people see that like. I can't wait to talk to this client of mine and just say gosh. I think we have a solution more. I think we know what's going on with you. And i have a lot of people who are in tears they cry because finally there's an answer But then moving forward with what do we do to find the source stu. The remediation help the body. Detoxify journey I if clients have significant mold toxicity. They can be on a mold. Detox protocol for probably a minimum of six months and up to eighteen months. And it all depends on how they tolerate it as well right yeah. It's a long road no matter who it is well. This has been fantastic. Tracy how would you like people to find you online. The best places my website My businesses called big picture. Health dot com. Or that's the big picture health so my website just big picture. Health dot com. So that's a great way to look me up greet year. We'll post that in the transcript as well. Well thanks for tuning in everyone. This is dr hedberg go choo dr hedberg dot com and search for mold. 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