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"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

2 Girls 1 Podcast

07:49 min | Last month

"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

"Theocratic well-financed well networked network. That supports guys like mike pence. And i think the outcome of that is unclear and only the future will tau were. It's really difficult especially now to predict how things will go. But i do think that as time goes on and people see the legitimacy of non-theistic religion in understand at the tannock temple is recognized as in iras tax exempt religious organization. They see a religiously people identify with this. Even though it's non-theistic i think we're going to find people becoming a lot more comfortable identifying non-theistic -ly even with mainstream religious identities like christianity. We already see a lot of secular jewish people. And i think we're going to start seeing secular muslim secular christians non-theistic religious identification of every type. And i think that will be a very positive outcome than rats also asked. Are you familiar with st episode gemology epidemiology and ways to have productive conversations with believers. Oh yeah yeah. There's a friend of mine. Forget how to pronounce his last name. Tony magnabosco damn thing like that. Met him a few conferences. I spoke at but he does a youtube series of street epistemology and he goes up to people in just discusses their beliefs with them as some if they can think critically about it in another way. He has a very respectful dialogue with believers a lot of times. And it's interesting. Some of the results he gets. You know talking to people clearly haven't thought about some of the larger questions related to some of their beliefs to great way to learn to engage with people on their level and get them maybe to see things in another way. I have to admit you know. Sometimes i just get. I get pissed you and feel that people are being willfully obtuse especially now with the coronavirus in dealing with anti vaccine and anti massacres and having people running around claiming they actually believe the bullshit spouse by q. In on it gets very difficult to speak to people respectfully yet kinda wild to me. How many people. I know who were raised christian. And there's like this one little detail that someone you know. Ask them about that. Really unraveled the whole thing for them. I find it interesting. How often that seems to happen right. It's it's a slow burn. It's a cumulative thing seems to be the consensus of people who try to get people away from irrational and destructive beliefs. You know you're not gonna have that one discussion at one. Time with the cunanan proponent that makes say hi. I guess you're right. I was wrong. The more they sit these various things that really strain their cognitive dissonance. The more likely the strength of those beliefs are fizzle out for them eventually. That's such valuable advice. Because i was thinking about this recently. I don't know why the fantasy i think we all have. Is we argue with someone and we say well. What about this. And they're like god. You're right i give it all up. That's what we want. We want that instant gratification of being right but the actual truth is like just put the plant the seed and and talk to people reach out to me because they want to argue with me. They wanted to debate with me in private and think i have no interest in doing that. Like if i'm going to argue with an asshole. I'm going to go on tucker carlson show. I'm doing bad. I'm doing that for the for the millions of viewers because watching and they're like in and i got messages like that. I was on his show a couple of times. And i actually got messages from people who claim to be regular tucker. Carlson viewers saying. I love tucker carlson everything. But he fucked up with you on. You know he wasn't making his case. And you did a good job. And i don't know strike deal yeah. I don't know how i feel sharing fans with tucker carlson. That's man that's a victory. I mean that's that's well. That's why i go on the conservative talk shows and hammer on the religious liberty message. You know i go on there. And i don't try to be insulting but i say we have the constitution on our side in this is what religious liberty looks like new. Do you really want the government dictating to you. What's appropriate when it comes to religious identification and expression. I know whenever i do that. There is a lot of frustrated people listening to this thinking. God damn it. Those are our lie solution. I have one more question. And i guess i'll frame it from a personal perspective but i think it's going to apply to a lot of Listeners and ties back to what we were discussing earlier. So i'll say i believe. Incredibly strongly in every single word and letter of the seven tenets of the satanic temple. And i am personally interested in finding a community of like minded people to do all the things you just described. The sounds wonderful to me. Then i'm also gonna say that it would be hard for me to ascribe to label myself or call myself a member of the satanic temple because of the cultural baggage of that word and not. Because i'm afraid of it or it's more like i don't want to spend the energy explaining everything that we just discussed here to family members friends other people who don't understand what you're org is all about. So what advice would you give to me and other secular people who love everything you're doing but would have trouble getting on board with a word that has fierce stick connotations when when i am looking for a non theistic place to find my people. Does that make any sense. Yeah no i would say Just wait this isn't a static state of affairs. And i think even at the time when we started it would have been unheard of to think that the things that have happened since would have happened in so short of time before the documentary. There was a forty five minutes Cnn documentary done by lisa ling about us in before it aired. I kind of fell into a panic because i hint seen it wondering what i had done. I thought maybe i had ruined. There's no way i thought. Cnn was going to give us a a fair hearing I thought you know the audience would revolt. And now it's not uncommon to see op. Ed pieces you know in mainstream publications speaking correctly about our point of view as time goes on our population is growing so large that we're going to start being dealt with in in more reasonable ways Those those questions about whether we're just a prank or whatever are going to go away we're going to start showing up on the pew polls in.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

2 Girls 1 Podcast

08:16 min | Last month

"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

"Our true allegance right. Yeah wow katy. Perry would sneak cds of rock and pop music into the house from friends And that's so the combination of gospel and this sort of contraband music. That was was Outlawed in the household was what got her her start her love of music. You're asking about that jen. Most of this is from Both a biography of katy perry a called rebel dreamer and also in a tweet. A two thousand nine interview with mtv news talking about her childhood and so yeah no lucky charms. No lucky charms. They are the devil's food back. Really makes me respect her like us just so many layers of things to have to break away from. And if it's hard when you're intoxicated. Like that i really respect that journey. Honestly i Okay everybody we are very excited to begin our interview. Today's episode we have a guest with us. You know we've been really looking forward to speaking to please. Welcome to the show. The co founder of the anik temple lucien greaves. I listen hello how are you doing. We're very wow. How are you not bad. No not bad at all. thank you. Well let's just say jive in to start. Can you tell our listeners. What is and isn't the satanic temple. The temple is a worldwide not the stick religious satanic organisation were corrupting the moral structure of western civilization and undoing. All the great work that has been done for the previous centuries really. But i think when most people if they know of us at all they know of some of the activists activities. We've been involved in trying to preserve the separation of church and state and trying to force the government to respect pluralism when they opened the doors for religious expression in public grounds in that kind of thing. A lot of people think that. That's the only thing we do but in fact were recognized by the irs. As a church and we have congregations worldwide and people really do religiously identify with this. Even though we're we're atheists stick. And even though i say were undoing. A moral structure of western civilization. I feel that in reality for preserving our democratic and secular values that are being undermined now by a theocratic movement trying to install evangelical supremacy beautiful. So i i really hope all of our listeners. Go and watch the documentary but just in case they don't I was wondering if you could just let everybody know what are the seven fundamental tenents the seven fundamental tenants our guiding principles that we used to kind of define what satanism is to us a bit general. I guess sometimes they're criticized for being vague and not actually saying anything about satanism. It all but us you know satanism either resonates for your doesn't that symbolic structure and it has more to do. Probably with the background. You came up with and whether or not you feel impelled to kind of liberate yourself from superstition or religious programming but i can read off the seven ten. I love him. And i think our listeners will love him as well. Okay well i want should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason to the struggle for justice an ongoing unnecessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. Three ones bodies inviolable subject to one's own wheel alone for the freedoms of other should be respected including the freedom to offend to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another's to forego one zone five beliefs should conformed once best scientific understanding of the world wants you take care never distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. Six people are fallible. If one makes a mistake want you do one's best rectify it resolve any harm that may have been caused in seven. Every tenant is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action thought the spirit of compassion wisdom and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. I would imagine the one about scientific. Facts has been very relevant in the last four or five years. Who is the one about the bodies inviolability especially being that we fight for our religious reproductive rights in an era now in through such pushback attempts to try to overturn roe versus wade. So just as worse sort of giving our we definitely want to get into all of this but for audiences who are just getting to know you. What is the difference between the satanic temple and the church of satan. The church of satan was founded in one thousand nine hundred sixty. Six by anton. Levay in a lot of people have an idea who anton avai is he used at bald character with the goatee. Who would sometimes dress up in the devil horns and two rituals and things like that. The church of satan doesn't really exist today as it did back then in probably wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the internet they're not recognized as a tax exempt religious organization. They're pretty much just a twitter feed right now but philosophically depart in that The church of satan really. Espouses a pro authoritarian also kind of magical mystical view of the world from a very social darwinist perspective. So our brand of satanism in which we're actually coming together unorganized fashion and working together very much conflicts with the church of satan's idea of being by solit- individuals who have no real tangible engagement with a real world issues at all so i love that. At least what. I gleaned from. The documentary is that this essentially started as a prank that grew and grew and grew and grew and grew the documentaries says that satanists are the original trolls. So i was wondering how i feel about that. We also just interviewed ken. M who is a legendary internet trolls. So yes wanted to know how i felt about being called troll. And what you think about internet trolls. Keeping up you know. How's it going. I think have a lot to answer for now. I see there's revival of some of the stupidest things of from the dust bin of history. You know neo-fascist movements and a people who actually claim to believe that the world is flat. And i think some of the ludicrous conspiracy theories we've seen startup and actually gain. Traction probably started with smart asses thinking they were funny online and thinking that they could get people to believe this stuff and they actually did. I think it gets a little tedious now for journalists to keep asking the question when they write articles about the attack temple. If we're actually legitimately or not or are we just trolling because at this point. I think we've gone beyond showing that we're we're authentic in at the point where you have over a quarter of a million membership in many of whom you know clearly openly religiously identify with what we're doing..

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

2 Girls 1 Podcast

07:51 min | Last month

"lucien greaves" Discussed on 2 Girls 1 Podcast

"Hello everybody i'm jen. I'm ali welcome to two girls. One podcast if you've been here before you know. Allie and i are performers. We had a live comedy show where he performed the internet. It was our script. We loved it. we've ended web series. Two girls one show where we met the people behind all the internet posts. We've been performing and now here. We are with two girls. One podcast with the daily diet and we're talking to people behind internet communities and phenomenon that we find interesting and we also have our producer here as usual. Hello matt pillow. Just i'm here. I'm producing reducing. That's me typing using musical now. Yeah so today's topic. Everybody is going to be a good one. In fact you might be familiar with it. Because there's a pretty popular documentary out there that covers what it is. Allie what are we doing today. We're looking at saint nests runs rights. There's a documentary out. There called hail satan. You can watch it on hulu and they are growing community and we've known about them for a while but it's very irl as as might say and so we were kind of hesitant to cover it. But as the organization continues to grow and of course little global pandemic a lot of the activities and community is growing more and more online. So we thought you know what it's time and i highly recommend the documentary. I it was really quite fascinating. You know if today's conversation is at all interesting to you. The documentary goes very deep into how this organization was formed. In how it's grown we're speaking with lucien greaves the co founder of the satanic temple. And just to say they are. The only federally recognized international non theistic religious satanic organization. So it'll be really interesting but before we get into that. I have a quick bone to pick. What the two of you. which is that recently. I'm not going to win because this will come out a little. While after. But recently it was may fourth and i did not see any star wars content from either of you on social media on twitter. I okay. so that's i'm calling. Bullshit i i i sweden out our fucking jed. I episode okay. I'm in the wrong and that was a great idea. Oh i'm sorry. I put the two who going on right now. Hey speaking of this is just so this past the day and so completely irrelevant. however in honor of may the fourth i recently learned that the music the genre of music that is performed by the alien band in the most eisley cantina. You're obviously familiar with this song. And the style of music that lucan encounter when they go into this place. Yes sir can kind of okay. The actual name of the musical style the canonical real name of this music is called. Jr is that should have been trivia trivia on the episode. Oh sorry. I need you to send me some supporting material this okay. This is a wonderful lives at called jisr well. Jazz is a real form of music so in star wars. Let's call it judges and nobody thought i. God think about that in our one zero super bowls one show. There's an episode that is based on the amazon self published book. This israel called seem analogy. And you know what shout out to. Michael bhave ski. Who wrote some original music for us. For this episode. And i will never forget the chorus something like jazz and while jasmine remember the rest of verse. Because i'm gonna blame ages. And while i'm jasmine yeah forever and blazin. My brain was just slang in the settles. Chazan times that the same in speakeasy avmark. All the entire series is great and i do encourage listeners to go and seek it out because you guys made a fucking tv show and it wasn't like all actual youtube show. It would literally be it. Could it should have been could have been still can be a network television. Show that you guys. And and the same analogy is is the creme de la creme if i may ask thank you thank you soft spot and a hard spot in my race in my my heart for that episode. I per i making a web series. We were like let's go go to town and go and mel pregnancy. Also yeah that's my semen. Also an was was jr is a slang term in the seventy s. A great question. And also i don't want to speak out of turn because again. Lucas created the stuff in the seventies and was probably thinking. Like this'll never work. This'll be a one and done. Be movie that no one will ever watch and so these sort of cultural terms probably came about in wider star wars lore over the course of the eighties and nineties. So who knows when this but again canonical early in the official wicky of star wars lower. This is a real thing So fascinating day. I was already about this interview. But now i know about star wars jr. Is you know we're not excited. About let trivia. Today's episode is about the satanic temple. So obviously today's trivia is about a highly relevant topic to satanism and all that stuff Let's let's let's you know what i'm talking about. Let's all say it together on three to one perry. I'm sorry. I thought we were on the same as you might know if you follow. The of popstars She was born and raised in a born again christian household Very very conservative. Branch of christianity attended christian schools christian summer camps in arizona and california and specifically perry and her siblings were not allowed to do certain things growing up. I have three things at katy. Perry was not allowed to do in a born again christian household. To of these are real one of them. I made up. You are looking for The one that. I made up fake one. Who are you ready ready ready. Katy perry was not allowed to eat lucky charms because the word luck reminded her mother of lucifer. No okay okay. Be katy perry's family could not refer to the popular and delicious appetizer known as deviled eggs. Instead they.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

05:03 min | 2 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Because they've done so much to make religious liberty so much more robust in In untouchable by any type of government intervention and is going to be very difficult for them to find a way. I think to ignore claims to turn them down without. Also ignoring all the precedent. They've set but they've been trying to set for the benefit of christian nationals anyways during the little x. Controversy all i could think is my inbox was filling up with media. Requests about some other guys fucking video was how few interview requests psychot- about a lawsuit were pushing in texas. Sadness are pushing taxes that really stands a chance of setting important precedent and kind of re contextualising religious liberty arguments. So i couldn't help but just thinking. This video is what. You're getting outraged about this videos. What's import do these shoes are. What's frightening you about satan this right now and we could hardly get coverage of this lawsuit. We were fighting in texas in it. Just kind of a disappointing commentary. I think on people's priorities. I guess we like bright shiny things you know. We like we're easily distracted and we don't like grath we don't like nuance like at simple like it. Clean black white now black and white really good evil but that kind of thing. And that's the that's sort of the focus of your patriotic article right and you've released this free on patriot but this is available to everybody right now. Is that right at the beginning of the pandemic I was seeing a lot of people financial earning. I took the risk of opening up my posts for free for everybody while putting a disclaimer at the top saying like look. This is how it making my income right now. So if you can't afford to subscribe for do it's worked out so far. And even though things are opening up in in people are generally considering the pandemic over miller quite wrong. People seem to have stabilized generally economically. I'm still running on this system while keeping my patriot open everybody. Which is the asking that if you can afford any any subscription fee. Please do it okay. Well i'll put the link to the article. I mean i thought about reading it. But i think i'd rather people go and read it themselves. And then if they want to choose to support you that's that's terrific d- have a link like a youtube link to the music video that you said released a couple of weeks ago. Is that somewhere online. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah i send you that. Do that in the description box dammit. Little nauseous is not the only one who released a video that month and saw give you not that you need a signal boost on this end. I will say that. I i will take it as a compliment that you said not rolling stone but said us yes to us that makes me that just spills my heart you know say screw you rolling stone but you make some salient points. I mean let's not get distracted. There are people who have done real harm and continue to do real harm in terms of using satan to weaponize Even sound on its surface like worthy causes to harm people and to spread lies and misinformation and to do great damage. And so let's keep our eyes on the prize. I mean would that be an a good summation of it lucian. Yeah and i think. Also if you're wondering what satan nece think of little nas x. video you can't ask me and find out you're only going to hear what i think about it and that's part of why i didn't want to do interviews. You're gonna have to ask every statements. Because i feel like their individual interpretations of are valid. They might like it they might might not. But i'm certainly not somebody to sit here and say this is what satanists think about this little nasdaq's video we have a diversity of tastes and interests in music and arts and that's the weight should be. We've always embraced that type of diversity and there's a it would be somewhat anti satanic of me to kind of try and take those tastes anybody lucien greaves all right links in the description box and i always enjoyed talking. Thanks for sounding off on this appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thinking atheist on facebook in twitter free complete archive of podcast videos products like mugs and t shirts featuring thinking eighty s logo blinks to atheist pages and resources and details on upcoming free thought events and conventions log onto our website that thinking atheist dot com..

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

06:44 min | 2 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Worked with satanic planet without its first video bath met and there were people who were offended by that for different reasons some actually because it was satanic even where very openly satanic at our marketing our imagery our name and everything else or some people ended by that but there was a whole crowd offended that we have the drummer dave lombardo used to be slayer in has a huge following as this prominent metal drummer and stuff like that. He doesn't do much drumming on this out on track. Just do any live trumping at all. He said atmospherics in electronic bass and stuff like that really pisses off some of the metal crowd you know and then some people are just really pissed off about music when it comes out when they had ideas of what it should be. You know what they think. You're trying to do in their angry if it doesn't do that. So you know we. We got a lot of great response from video. But i just remembered seeing some of these comments of people pissed off and just thinking. How do you have this much energy to be pissed off about. We've put up. Because i'm used to being a controversial person speaking about political religious issues and things like that and i understand that really cuts the certain people's identities in they're going to get pissed off so not used to like releasing a piece of art and people being like who the fuck you think so at the same time or got my video coming out not just mystified by people. Getting pissed off. People are reaching out to me saying what do you think this guy's video. Why why are you asking me because it has the devil in it. That seems absurd to me. You know so. I do think i was crying in now. Just due to the events around me in my own life to say you know asking my opinion on somebody else's video is ridiculous. But that being said. I don't want the controversy either to color my perception of this video. It doesn't elevate it in value to me it doesn't diminish it either. You know i watched. I'm glad i saw you know very well done not necessarily my but very well produced. Well done like that's it. You know my my opinion is better than anybody else's in that regard but it's funny if somebody sees the devil on like a piece of toast or you know in photograph and for some reason they just have the inclination. Call you the double collusion. I'm sure that happens all the time and one of those things but before. I let you go controversy that already. Waning any Any legal fights that you guys are speaking of panic and christian nationalism and all that i mean that's in ball into you guys still doing battle with arkansas. Right with racy. Job senator robert. What are you doing over there. We're still battling with arkansas. Been a long time since there was a ruling in our in song just wondering what is going on here for. I'm sorry. I set you up. But i didn't do a very good job a ruling on. What is this till about the ten commandments on government property. Or something yeah. Arkansas put a ten commandments monument. On capitol grounds claiming it serves some secular purpose in was just a historical document at speaks to the codification of constitutional law and because it was privately donated though privately donated by a senator Acts it wasn't it wasn't an establishment clause violation because the idea is that any private donor then could donate a monument so we call that loss in we offered to donate a satanic monument that monument and they said no. So we're doing Are joining a suits. Be put forward by also the freedom from religion foundation and the aclu think maybe another part is well but this lawsuit is been in progress. For some time the senator who donated the monuments. He took a bunch of donations to pay for that monument. Well over the monument costs from what we can tell in. I believe it was the freedom of religion foundation that requested the financial Information about the about the ten commandments monument. A list of the donors and that kind of thing The state was refusing to hand that over. the senator was in the only recent ruling. We've gotten his. I think the judge is now demanding that this information be handed over in. This is only after nearly a year of no motion on that case but another lawsuits. We have an action. Now is we just had you know. Think under a month now or maybe about a month we file a lawsuit against texas Fighting back against its abortion restrictions. And we've done this with a plaintiff. There who was following our abortion ritual guidelines in which when a member of the seatac temple is seeking to terminate a pregnancy. We have this kind of ritualized counseling process as an effort to help them contextualized their decision as indeed their own decision and to be at peace with it in deference to our attendants and to absolve themselves of the kind of guilt and shame that's texas politicians might try to impose them. And we have our own kind of timeline for how this ritual is is practiced right in so to interrupt that process in which actually having the procedure is part with medically unnecessary procedures. I can impose sonogram or waiting period. We make the argument that that's a violation of our religious liberty and on those grounds where we're fighting these texas standards at call for those kinds of superfluous medically unnecessary invasive. Procedure said That just interrupt process in our constructed to at elements of shape to the process. So we feel that. This is a really difficult case in texas To be litigated..

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

07:55 min | 2 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"With lucien greaves. In just a second going to talk about another music video you might be interested in and how the satanic temple is sort of in many ways on many fronts leading the church-state fight christian nationalist wanna put up christian stuff on taxpayer-funded funded property in the satanic temple. Says okay fine. We're going to buy a ticket on the same ride. And then the christians flip out anyway. We're gonna talk solution about that and more next hang on thanks so much for listening talking to lucien greaves about the satan shoes. The big Dust up little gnaws x. Rapper singer provide satanic shoes for sale with human blood in them. People take that bait flip out lose their ship so anyway. I couldn't help myself. I had to talk to lucien greaves founder of the satanic temple about the controversy and a whole lot more. If we're seeing the decline of religiosity in this country then people are less and less religious more and more secular certainly disinterested in religion. How does that affect the whole satanic panic thing. How does that affect the christian nationalist. Obviously you've done some thinking about this. What do you think. I don't know how much it really affects it. There was a lot of secularization of satanic during the eighties and nineties. When you see geraldo rivera. Startup is Is famous report on satanism aired in eighty nine or something like that. He did this whole expose where he was discussing a type of satanism that just didn't even exist but he he was able to call together. Salojee put it out there. So this prevalent problem by causing all these murders and disappearances and things i at south east started out with this prophets that saying whether you believe in a satan or not is irrelevant but satanism does exist. And this is what it meets. And then he was attaching all these anti human activities and beliefs to it. So it didn't really necessarily require anybody's Religious belief it just required credulity. And i think that's we're seeing a lot of credulity now if you look at the numbers when it comes to people who are anti vacs when you see how large the cunanan movement is in when you see the proliferation of ideas that are facially. Absurd being taken as facts. i think that's a real cause for concern regardless of what the numbers are dwindling. Church membership right on vacation. I stole one of your lines. You said something last time we talked about the think. We're talking cunanan. You use the phrase irredeemably stupid. I've just borrowed that like. I'm using it all the time. That's just irredeemably stupid. Were surrounded by and so much of it is rooted in these superstitions. These weird magical ideas that everything is part of a struggle between the dark and the light you know good and evil. Nothing is neutral. It is all part of a precursor to armageddon. La la bla You know and I m seeing under the temperatures going up. Even as the numbers of the evangelical might be going down. They seem to become like the desperate wounded animal. They become even more dangerous in ways. That your european. Yeah i think the kush in our lifetime with the chris. Nationalist has been to get into politics. I say they smell the demographic trends sometime ago knew they were going to be on. The minority side also knew they weren't going to get anywhere in sciences So they started training everybody to go into politics really pushing hard to get their tribe in political office so that if even if they didn't have the numbers in the general population they would have it in the legislative bodies and they'll be able to impose their will upon everybody else and i think the ultimate hope is that with the godly direction coming from clinical higher offices. There will be a new great coming to christ of the general population for all like if we just have the ten commandments hosted everywhere or realize that abortion is bad in homosexuality is a disease. And all these other notions. I think i think they have that they will reclaim their places the dominant belief system just so long as eight cushite upon everybody in make it mandatory that they subscribe to it it will find themselves willing participants shortly thereafter. But in the meantime we have to deal with them doing this. And if we don't s- in if we don't fight that they're going to make it so i i. I'm kind of amazed at at this point. Even after the trump administration. I still see people kind of taking this Dismissive position about. It's like this is dwindling. away this is. This is about to expire. Have to deal with the christian nationalist much longer like this is some kind of transient phase. That will be laughing off the yup roar of the little video later on in the little nasdaq's video could be indication. A symptom of the larger satanic panic really brewing but the christian nationalists within the politics that that panic is present now. This is a clear and present danger. And it's working. Its destructive power in the moments. I mean how screwed up. Is that like ted. Cruz is determining the moral compass. Marjorie taylor green is determining a just mad. I mean it was just it. Just i just fear for the species. You know what. I'm saying If i had to ask and you don't have to answer but if you have you take a personal position. Now that you become more familiar with the little non zacks Video and the story and the imagery and the reasons for doing it and the response i mean dahbi spoken about your own personal opinion on hiked. It it's not really my thing you know i. I thought the video was amusing to watch. It was really well done right. I feel like in another twenty years. People will laugh at that like relaxing at the osce stuff saying it looks like a cartoon but look at all the cgi wrong video. You know that stuff Improves exponentially in. Oh every every couple years or whatever it's going to be outdated soon enough and will laugh at it and I'll shake our heads at the controversy. It i mean. I don't mind it. I'm not offended by it. It's not something. I i intend to revisit often. I don't know. I feel like i could have been somewhat crimes to walk away from that controversy because i you know unbeknownst to stop my guess i put out a video that that very same day at the same time The band i i.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

03:54 min | 2 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Some kind of common ground which has them both feeling obligated to either not attack bad ideas and conspiracy theories or You know in similarly just to Except those conspiracy theories at face value due to the moral costs. They're they're advocating for that. That's that's all the makings of the panic right there. And that's what i really want. People recognize is that the satanic panic is not just merely a matter of superstitious religious. People getting pissed off. It's finding some kind of common ground with a bunch of other people. A bunch of other political identification beliefs and using that common ground to ignore science ignore fact promotes pseudoscience. Ads in advocate for bad ideas. That caused real hard. This is a sticky one. Isn't it with the believed the children aspect i'm reminded of the mcmartin trial right. Mcmartin care trial back in the eighties. The most expensive trial up to that time in the united states as there were Think it started with one child who had spun a wild story about satanism or something and then it sort of before you knew what you had all of these I don't know if they weren't even child psychologist really but they were sort of feeding these lines to the children. And then you've got the imagination going and now things spin out of control and rope. Lives are ruin right. Lives were ruined a decade in the court system and it was just a nightmare and know believe the children in that moment that was the first part of the statement like we need to listen to the children take their initial accusation seriously but then we need to vet those accusations so when a child says oh they were sacrificing. You know they were doing rituals in the basement. Is it to find out that. There's no basement at the mcmartin preschool right. So i get your point right. But if it's noble to say believe the children hashtag and it sounds like you're in enabler of abuse if you say let's take a second. Let's pause that pause. Sounds like hesitation. Hesitation sounds like weakness even complicity. And we see some of that. Even among a lot of that even among people on the left i get that. Yeah no it in. That's my concern is now. I think we're kind of in this environment. This environment this cultural environment spurred on of course by the way people communicate and social media where people keep going further and further into their isolated points of view in making more and more bombastic statements. That get more and more Interactions in they become further further removed for principal and soon Questioning any aspect whether saying becomes a Becomes a heresy. And you can take a noble cause but at the point where you're not accepting anybody's Commentary about maybe what. The best means to the ends are To question even your tactics of getting to those end set you you claim you see become some kind of heresy. Then i think you're really crimes to find ourselves in a new panic where you know a bad ed techniques. Bad ideas are being unquestioned. Because people are more interested in signaling their connectedness to a certain try rather than actually Pursuing facts are pursuing.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

06:18 min | 2 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Big controversy blew up in the headlines. And i just couldn't help myself so i bumped the original topic for this week to next week and I wanted to speak to somebody who was a satanist about little gnaws x. Okay there is video of this conversation. The youtube link is in the description. Box of the show. Satan shoes all right. Let's talk. let's talk about the satan shoes and a rapper singer that i'd never heard of. I mean maybe. I'm showing my age but until a few weeks ago i'd never heard of little gnaws but apparently little gnaws there's little gnaws acce- an ex after his name makes available satan shoes now. These are nike airmax. Ninety-seven shoes and without the permission of nike lil gnaws decides to make available six hundred sixty six pair of satan. They have lebron's pentagram. There's an inverted cross on them and apparently the shoes contained a drop of real human blood. I didn't see exactly whose blood this might be but you know obviously the evangelical 's lost their minds right conservative. Christianity did what conservative. Christianity does. And they just breakout totally lose their shit. Which shows you. How easily provoked they are. Nike has sued them. There's i guess. A temporary injunction a halt to the sale of the shoes for trademark infringement. I get that right. They you know. Nike should have proprietary rights over their own logo and so little nauseous. That okay fine for now. We're not going to produce anymore. But the freakout continues and so obviously with the satanic imagery in a video that we're going to talk about that shows the devil devil horns and that you know the depths of haiti's i thought about my buddy lucien greaves and i thought well i'll bet everybody's tapping him on the shoulder wanting to talk about you know satan. We just make that connection lucien right. We're like oh look it's the devil we should see what lucien thinks and this happens often and you didn't say anything like you didn't post anything you didn't have any commentary and i'm curious as to why like why the silence at least initially. Yeah i got a bunch of interview requests right away. The first people reach out were rolling stone in. They wanted to know i would. I thought of little nice video montero which came out at the same time he released shoes so music video in which he gives a homoerotic lap dance to satan. And i think this really kicked off the outraging controversy In satan really gets the of conservative rights really worked out in worked. Worked up over this in the media was really eager to sustain the outrage in. Come up with a more upon which to keep the keep the controversy alive and i think they were hoping i would have some Really inflammatory things to say either in outrage against the video not properly representing satanism or whatever they were looking for there. There was some leading questions that regard. Of course. When i start doing interviews later or Embracing the video and doing more say things that would piss off the evangelical sort or whatever Case they're always looking. Keep the fight alive. The controversy Propagating in and do more to fuel the flames in. I just was not interested in it. I i also was not aware of the are the artists work. It did so happen that as soon as the video came out about an hour after hosted a friend of mine. Text it to me. And i watched it and i could tell that this wasn't a this wasn't a low budget video. You know this guy must be the famous popstar a pronounced to me. You know there was a lot of. They obviously through a lot of money into this one music video. But i didn't find the imagery terribly unique or Really really that that thought-provoking to me ever since we've been children we've been seeing in little devils whispering messages into somebody's ears in cartoons. Whatever the image of red redskins horns tailed. Devil is entirely unknown to us so we all recognize it is is is immediately as we recognize mickey mouse or whatever else is just very prevalent. -ly available all artistic raw material for anybody in that was part of the reason. I thought i really didn't have a place to give commentary on it. I couldn't open we embrace it as being A portrayal satanism. Because i don't know that that was what the artists attended took the for all. I knew he could come out with a statement saying that. He felt enslaved by his homosexuality. Something that us trying to defeat the devil that he was looking to become a recovered homosexual in the in the evangelical school or something later on. He made some statements that were more clarifying but immediately. I wasn't sure what he was trying to convey and it wasn't my place to state the artist's intentions nor was it my place to claim some kind of proprietary rights over this imagery. I mean you. And i are way ahead of this. Our audiences are way ahead of this. We know controversy sells. I can already hear the whispers of the marketing departments going. Hey check this. We're gonna get so much free. Press going to sell so many copies of the album or the single or whatever. I mean fifty million streams on spotify in one week rocketing to the top of the billboard. Top one hundred. I mean i remember back when you know ozzy osbourne diary of a madman album cover which today seems like a freaking cartoon back then you know..

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

02:38 min | 4 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

02:50 min | 4 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"But you know people were close to him in an embrace this attending temple now or did before they died you know felt that there was a chance that he would have. He would have liked us. Yeah and so yeah. The connection. there isn't zero but not huge right. Well i mean it's like asking us. How much of our philosophy is dictated by the christian religion in our rejection to it. And it's like we can know consciously to certain degree but also you know my introduction to satanism was through vahan ism and even i guess as to how much of that was influential on what i'm doing right you. You can't always power set you. You know The environment you're in you know. I can only acknowledge what i do. so if people want to find out more about this tannock temple working they go go to. Thus tannock temple dot com or follow us on twitter at at satanic underscore temple underscore. And you know you can pretty much keep up to date on our on. Our campaigns in our works i would say find us at facebook at I still hold out the hope that facebook will be destroyed. All linked to your web page and twitter. I'm soon going to be stripping. All facebook links off my website. Yeah like to hear that. That's a trend. yep and you've got chapters in how many cities at this point. I don't even know like if you go to our website There's a drop down menu that says you know where you can find a local affiliates near you and that number's always growing ever expanding. We have a council that that does the interview process in the vetting process to make sure that they understand our standards and that type of thing but worldwide now. And you know we're we're over a quarter million in our our membership. Wow so as far as growing religions go. I think we're we're on the map. Even though you know the pupils haven't really caught up recognized it yet. I think academics of new religions are starting to realize it in some people might not know but oxford university press twenty nineteen released a book about us to written by a religion scholar a catholic religion scholar. Who's actually a friend of mine.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

01:41 min | 4 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"Yeah to consider. Yeah and it's it is crazy that the because what you will you l. Kelly said about we need more adults in the room. If you're saying that on social media or youtube that doesn't increase engagement say shit increases engagement right and you know. That's a known component of the social media environment and it's something that Facebook ran their own studies on. You know they. They intentionally amplify the most outrageous pose because they know they get engagement. You know and. I do think a lot of the problem. We're dealing with now with everybody. Going to the most extreme extreme in grandstanding and and very active ways With non solutions in outright calling for civil war is a real product of that the game -cation of opinion boil down to one hundred forty characters. Or whatever else is has been I mean we're seeing the outcome of that now in see just. How important is kind of bizarre Propaganda even unconscious out arrhythmic propaganda cycle how destructive that is and i. I you know something needs to be done to to rein that in. If the biden administration doesn't work quickly to start regulating the tech giant's in.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

01:34 min | 4 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"Always used them disingenuously though and they have a real difficult time of it when i come on in s the rhetoric amusing because they feel like it's an stolen from them and if you wanna see some comical examples of that go to youtube at checkout both of the times i was on the tucker carlson show and ways i made him. You know made him grapple with his cognitive dissonance. He really seems to be the new bill. O'reilly now i. I honestly didn't realize he was as bad as he was Even at the time. I had done both of his shows. I just recently watched the daily show compilation where he was putting together. Things he had said in his his hostility to diversity is really Is really concerning to me and you know i. I don't like to go the route of reading deeply into in an notions of tacit racism. And stuff like that. It's not too tacit when it comes to tucker carlson i mean this absolute fear that there's going to be a diminishment of what he considers american culture and in kind of contextualising that american culture is being Free of brown people Is is is really outrageous. I i it's really disheartening. That we've because i feel like we've taken so many steps backward i A.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

02:27 min | 4 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"Welcome to another episode of nomads. I am destined. And in a little bit. I'll be joined by lucien greaves from the satanic temple. Four we get to the interview. You have one announcement this week. Which is episode. Four hundred is coming right up around the corner. The hardy on three ninety six. So we're right there so we'll be doing a livestream on saturday march twenty which is the spring equinoxes this year. So they'll be pretty awesome times. Timing works out pretty perfect for that so might as well try and make that a little bit special have twenty twenty one equinoxes party celebrating four hundred episode of the podcast and the twenty twenty twenty twenty one style. So sure i should be should be a lot of fun. i did. Start the precedent with episode one hundred of doing a hundred minute livestream and then episode. Two hundred was a two hundred minute. Livestream in episode. Three hundred was three hundred minutes and episode. Four hundred will be about an hour maybe a little longer. It's going to be normal episode. I'm not going to be trying to go four hundred minutes. That would be ridiculously stupid and insane so not even going to bother going for that so but it on your calendars The link will be up soon for it on an atheist. Nomads dot com slash. Live and i will be trying to books and people to join us for it and it should be a lot of fun so be sure to check that out on march twenty at two o'clock. Pm mountain time. Whatever the hell that is in your time zone we are now joined by lucien greaves from the satanic temple. Lucian welcome back atheist nomads. Great to be back in a while. And i said back yes because you were last on episode ninety three which was nearly six years ago. What episode will this. This is going to. This is three hundred ninety six foot. So yeah it's been. It's been a little while so when we last talked. Well actually i guess before we even get to that. How did this. What is the satanic temple. We didn't cover that the first time. I think we did six.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

01:52 min | 9 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Appreciated. We have. Thank you. More from the switchboard in just a few minutes and more with Lucien Greaves co-founder of the Satanic Temple right after this. Old? Talking here with Lucien Greaves of the Satanic Temple I've enjoyed following. TST, at, they're kind of on the front lines for state church separation. You know they're watching the theocrat, try to put the ten commandments monuments up in public places and. Buying you, WanNa do religion the Satanic Temple says, okay fine. We would like a seat at the table. Anyway Lucien Greaves joins me and anyway. Lucien joins me and we see what our listeners have to say. A one seven. Thanks for waiting on me. Hi, who's this hey, this is Chris sh a longtime fan of the show I actually grew up in Oklahoma Alden. Perkins? Oh. Really. Just outside the stillwater. Yeah. Fantastic. Well the commodore question for Lucien Greaves of the Satanic Temple Today I do I actually have to one of the ones that I wanted to know was are there any systems for becoming ordained for the Satanic Temple? Since I promised my cousin that actually officiate is wedding if he ever did. His. Since he was gay so. I'm glad you asked yeah. Before the year is up, ordination program will be the taking applicants. We.

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

02:48 min | 9 months ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"To keep people from questioning allowed of their key assumptions, lot of their pseudoscience for a very long time in. I'm actually optimistic at this point that was chewing on hijacking, save the children that this will really provide a tipping point where people will say, okay well, it's not enough to just say that we need to believe every claim of abuse because did not do so is further abusing people or calling into question all claims of abuse is just not true. When you're really attaching conspiracy theories to real crop Child Sexual Abuse. You're not serving victims in any way whatsoever you're really Y-. You know when you're attaching conspiracy theories to those kinds of claims that's really doing more to. Discredit, the work of Rio people are really trying to work as victim kits in in just saying that will believe anything that comes at us, really diminishes the claims people actually suffered abuse and and it really discredits them. You really have to see them as using victims of abuse as human shields. But what I really hope happens to set people to recognize similarity the intellectual similarity. Between the Delusional Maniacs spouting Cubanacan conspiracy. Online. And the mental health professionals who use pseudoscience to bolster those delusional claves and do it in a professional setting end under the forty of mental health splicing seaports. Hopefully. You're are not as taken it too far to the point that will be dismantle the ongoing remnants. So the annex completely. To to part of this question about changing minds if somebody's made emotional attachment to this narrative of the conspiracy, do facts matter do facts make a dense I mean you and I aren't psychologists but we've done a lot of conversations about religion atheism satanism whatever what's your perspective Lucien Greaves I think when you're talking to people individually. You need to address with. They're talking about talent why they're wrong. It assume that they can and see things for the reality of what they are. Based upon the evidence given to them that parents when I talk about the things in broad strokes and I'm not speaking to anybody directly. I'm very old.

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The Bible That Leaks Oil

Thank God I'm Atheist

06:10 min | 1 year ago

The Bible That Leaks Oil

"Well Dan yes does. Have you ever heard of the Oil Bible Lael by Dan Oil? It feels like I should have. Oh goodness gracious Dan. Can we say with the Texas all the whole Jerry Pierce and John Taylor has been traveling? The Nation Dan with the Oil Bible. Okay now let me tell you this Bible when it sort of magically secretes oil. Oh my God right like Ooh from it is clear this oil just flows so gross and they whenever there so apparently part of the the the trick here is the it doesn't actually seep oil when they're traveling only seeps oil at home but people visit them at home in order to encounter the Seeping Oil Bible and They yeah people have attributed healings of course An any pretty much anything you could imagine has been attributed to The Bible It's performing. Miracles is what it is performing miracles. They give away vials of the oil and they've they're growing famous and making a lot of money off the Oil Bible. Well the good folk good folk at let me see. What is this news organization? That's the little local their local news or the Chattanooga Times free press okay because in I. I assume somewhere there in Tennessee in Dalton. If that's a place in Tennessee the town is called Dalton. Okay then the times free press decided they were going to do some investigative reporting. Oh okay so. As any good organization news organization would do so. They started asking around and they got a source at the Dalton. Tractor supply which says that Pierce Right Would consistently go in and and by gallons of mineral okay And but but company policies prevented prohibited him from telling anything more specific than that. But that's pretty. That's pretty damning right there. Yeah so the Times. Free press paid for a series of chemical analyses of the oil that they were giving out the oil that was available at the Dalton. Tractor supply okay. Sure and they sent these analysis or these tests to the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Okay that compared the samples and they said that it was the same thing. Oh shocking oil. Petroleum derived and the results quote strongly suggests that oil sample is mineral oil. Just like the stuff for sale. Right okay And then the second test that compared the chemical composition of Pierce's oil to the product tractor supply found a nearly exact match. They're doing mass spectrometry. Is that what they're doing it? The article doesn't get into such thing and using a gas chromatograph. What are they doing? Frank I don't know all right fine. There Ministry though began in two thousand sixteen in the week after Donald TRUMP'S INAUGURATION. And these these two guys So that they had a powerful religious experience As oil began coming out of the Bible. Now these guys are just clearly. Just fucking liars. It's obvious just charlatan right right. They're just soaking a Bible. They dropped a Bible into a VAT of oil one time and then just made a claim about it and then to realize we'll fuck all just just keep doing this and their followers. The people who've been healed people who've had deep religious experiences Are predictably sticking to their guns drinking with them. Yeah even though clearly. It's a fraud. It's a complete and utter fraught. So the the Oil Bible. Let me tell you something. Bats heads new. Here's the thing about human psychology for most humans. It is more tolerable to to believe some to to deal with the cognitive dissonance of believing something you know has been proven true then to change your mind. It's too painful for most people to change their mind and so they would rather deal with being idiots essentially believing something that has been proven false. Yeah well it's you know it's just it's the it's the media. Yeah it's it's Tanic right the devils newspaper Chattanooga Times free press you know yeah. I'm sure that that's satanist. The Lucien Greaves Editor in chief. The Times free press is it good on this local news. I know a great right again. Well done guys. How do they even have any money to do any testing? Probably all pro bono right probably including the reporting. Yes indeed okay. There's there's no money for independent newspapers anymore. That's what we're getting. That's the

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

02:01 min | 2 years ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"The mother of whisper founder Fred Phelps, gene, you're the ceremony involved to same sex couples kissing over her grave, they declared Katherine Johnson a lesbian in the afterlife. Those just a homoerotic ceremony over his mother's grave in than I topped it off by respectfully resting my testicles on the stone in that we call it. Then we call today in in. Filling out a statement. The law enforcement and the court systems they're trying to figure out exactly what would you be charged with exactly what nature favorite favorite part of that whole thing was the news clip of the sheriff saying, it's a strange crime one. We haven't come across on. Oh, that's that's classic. Let's talk a little bit about the culture talking here with Lucien Greaves of the Tannock temple. There is a little bit of a rift. You addressed it in a general way near the beginning of our conversation as you see Jax who was sort of running the Detroit chapter and she held, and I think she continues to hold the idea that you can't work within a broken system to initiate positive change or to further positive change. And I think she just kind of has a a hope I'm not unfairly representing, but I just caught a burn it all down kind of vibe, whereas the panic temple as a whole is really more about working within the letter of the law within the system to try to establish and reinforce church-state separation or at least remind people church-state separation and enjoy individual private, religious expression. Yeah. And you're not radically paraphrasing. Anything she uses that terminology. On our side. You know, our attorney uses the terminology used to represent our position as well. Okay..

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"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

03:24 min | 2 years ago

"lucien greaves" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Fred topel at we live entertainment said they're admitted trolling of evangelical Christians became an important protests to protect freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Now, they're doing the Lord's work as it were still with the showmanship of brilliant satirists and indie wire has this blurb from David Erlich, it says provocative hilarious and latently enraging documentary about the Tanic temple. Of course, we talked about the Tannen temple before. And I are profiled Lucien Greaves before they are a non theistic religion. They don't believe in a literal heaven or hell or God or Satan, Satan is an icon which represents rebellion against tyranny. And they use religious symbolism without believing in the supernatural Lucien Greaves is co-founder of the Tanic temple is featured heavily in the documentary film. And he joins me for today's show. Lucien good to have you back man scraped to be back before we talk about the movie. Can we talk about the Tanic temple? I mean, do you guys attract a certain personality type? Or kind of a common background. I mean, do you see commonalities in people who are attracted to the tactic temple? There's commonalities and people who are tracked of the satanism in general, even different brands of Satan as people are attracted to Afia stick sex, which are much smaller much less prevalent than not the aesthetic satanic practice, but just the kind of rejection of arbitrary authority is the kind of main underlying common denominator for people who identify with satanism is in that that does lead to different certain character type since kind of psychological co morbidity that you might not anticipate in some some of those. I'm not even sure where they come from. But I think from my experience being where I am here. I see there's a there's there's a lot of animal lovers amongst us. And that really seems to be a common common thread. No, that's on her body know, we heard you guys, you know, cutting off their heads and drinking the blood rate. Exactly. But I think think on common thing, you'll see a lot of lot of Satan is's that they're not they're not necessarily used to organizing groups can be very impassioned about social issues, but not necessarily the most amenable to team playing, you know. So it can be can be difficult trying to get everybody. Together, we see that in many eighth east circles, you know, they're like at you ain't gonna hurt this cat. I left one flock. I'm not gonna join another. You know, I'm an independent spirit. Right. Right. And there's a lot to be said for that too. But it was also a lot to be said for the idea that if we don't hang together, we'll hang separately. Especially now, we're talking about this documentary that was produced by magnolia pictures. And it's a big fish. And it's called hail Satan. It just released is it sort of. Playing in theaters around the country, or is it valuable now on like, I tunes Amazon. They're announcing more theaters all the time. If you go to hail Satan, film dot com and go to its little get tickets spot on the menu..

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