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Breaking Down the Drama Surrounding Lonzo Ball, LaVar Ball and Big Baller Brand, and What's Next for the Lakers' Guard On and Off the Court (Ep. 138)

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Breaking Down the Drama Surrounding Lonzo Ball, LaVar Ball and Big Baller Brand, and What's Next for the Lakers' Guard On and Off the Court (Ep. 138)

"TIAA supports those who are driven by purpose? Helping you live your definition of success. Whether you have five hundred dollars or five million investing advice banking retirement start today at TI dot org. Welcome to the hoop site podcast. My name is Alex Kennedy. And joining me today is my who played colleague Brian Cal Brosky. He's also the managing editor of USA today. Sports media groups NBA wire sites, including Lonzo wire, which is the best outlet for Lonzo ball and ball family news. And today, we're gonna talk a lot about Lonzo. Ball lavar ball and the future of the family the future of big baller brand. Brian. How're you doing? I'm doing well, man. It's been a beautiful couple of days here in Brooklyn, New York in gotten to to watch a lot of college basketball on the time that I'm inside it to spend some time outside after the rest of it. So to good life for me, man. It's been awhile since we've done this. I'm excited to have you back on on. Glad that you know, you can join me on this beautiful Sunday. We have lots talk about. So we we're kind of thinking about topics for the podcast today. And there's so much talk about with this. Lonzo ball big baller brand situation for people who don't know. We'll fill in some of the details and kind of give you guys in update on what's going on. Basically Allen foster was a manager for Lonzo ball and the ball family, and he was involved with big baller brand. And he apparently spent one point five million dollars that remains unaccounted for apparently, according to Tanya, again Guli of the Los Angeles Times he made purchases in Ethiopia as way to. Hide the money and the ball family is suing for damages of more than two million dollars. And now what this means is that it seems big baller brand is no longer a thing. The website is down Lonzo ball has removed the big baller brand tattoo that he had he scrubbed any picture of big baller brand from his Instagram. He's also made cryptic social media post that seemed to hint he'd be interested in key deal. So what do you make of this whole situation when it first came out? I was pretty surprised especially the fact that lavar ball apparently knew this guy for many years, but had no idea he had been convicted of fraud and all these different schemes to get people out of money. They had no idea in Lonzo didn't have any idea about his criminal history. Visit just a really messy situation wars your initial reaction. Well, April pool for when big baller brand would collapse. You can clutch wins at the reception gate. It's one of those situations where I really feel most for the family, obviously, you know, no one wanted to go down this way. And despite anyone's, you know, potential viewpoint on the VAR and big baller brand. And the way that business had been rolling. You know from the Better Business Bureau and from from other people who've kind of given its feedback. I think you really have to just kind of hope that, you know, the family can stay strong through this. And that, you know, all things considered, you know, Lonzo lamelo in liangelo really get what they are looking for, you know, from their lives and from and that their family can really stay close. I Lee right. I mean, you know, I think from from the human m m path part of mate. That's really what I'm rooting for is just for them to be kind of in a good light. You know, I think that that's really what I would like to see. And you know, I think across the board. I mean, I think it's not exactly a huge surprise after. After he was drafted by the Lakers in the to pick you on the season before this one things seem to go kind of a wry across the board and things didn't go according to plan, obviously, you know, with jello UCLA with his 'rastaw, and then, you know, even the mellow going to Lithuania into Ohio instead of going to be one of the top high school prospects in the country, and one of the top college prospects in the country. So, you know, I think they it's not exactly surprising that another thing would go wrong when the last few things have been kind of evident evidentially pointing towards that. Yeah. And I'm glad you brought up the family, obviously, people made jokes, and especially with social media and things like that people wanna make memes and mock the family, but I mean, no one wants to see this family lose, you know, two million dollars, and hopefully, they can recover that. And and win this lawsuit. And yeah, hopefully, they can stay close as a family. You know, the other day, you know, we are talking about. About, you know, a father and son relationship, we are talking about, you know, brother brothers here. So as much as I think Lonzo said distance himself from lavar publicly and make it very clear that my father does not speak for me. And maybe how sit down with his dad and say, look don't get do interviews anymore and things like that. I don't wanna see their, you know, their relationship deteriorate, obviously. But there's so much year. So not only do you have the the big baller brand drama with this lawsuit. Allen foster, you also have the news that Lonzo ball split from his agent Harrison Ganz now Harrison was a he represented the entire ball family. He also represented liangelo lamelo, he was involved in finding them the Lithuania deal and he's been involved. You know from the very beginning before launch his rookie year. He was hired basically to represent all the brothers since at that point. You know, they were all they were playing professionally somewhere so Harrison is no longer in the picture. Harrison's a great guy. I know him really, well, so I'm not gonna you know, I'll make that very clear, I'm biased here. I think is a really good guy. I think he's gonna be a very good agent for many years, and he was put in a really difficult position with this whole situation because you only had so much power with lavar ball running things in kind of being the puppet master. But now you have a situation where Lonzo ball's looking for a new agent, and we have conflicting reports here. Chris Haines of Yahoo sports says that lavar ball has actually met with a few agents on his sons who have that creative arts agency is viewed as the front runner for Lonzo. But there's concerns from agents that lavar involvement will get in the way and that there's also concerned about where the family stands financially with the failed big baller brand. He also said that in the process of vetting agent candidates during beatings, lavar has inquired if the agencies have the power to pair his three sons Lonzo liangelo in lamelo on the same NBA team. Now. We know lavar this has been his dream for a long time. He's made that very clear when hoops I've been reviewed him. He said the same thing that he wanted to see all three of his boys on the same team. Now, that's never going to happen. Let's make that very clear. Liangelo didn't even make an NBA summer league roster, and there's no limit to how many players can be on a summer league roster. So that kind of tells you how the NBA feels about liangelo. He didn't make a G league roster. So liangelo isn't going to be an NBA player. I think we can safely say that lamelo, you know, he's still young. You know, there are some people that like his game and feel like he has potential still so who knows with him, but the dream of having all three of these guys in the same team. I it's definitely a pipe dream. But then we have again, a conflicting report here saying from Tanya gang. Julia. The Los Angeles Times who says that word has spread about lavar ball driving the search. However, Lonzo ball told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday that he alone will be making his own business decisions asked. Typically of his father's involved. Lonzo ball said no a person familiar with situation. Says lavar ball has not participated in any official discussions about his son's future business dealings. So we have conflicting reports, but hopefully Tanya is the correct one just because I hope Lonzo is the one making this decision. And that lavar is not involved at all, you know, the fact that, you know, first of all Chris and j phenomenal reporter he's done this podcast twice. And I trust him a lot. I don't think he's gonna put something out there like that. Unless he heard it from an agent. So I do think someone told him. Hey, I talked to lavar ball and he asked if I can get his three sons on the same team. And you know, this and that so I do think that lavar side conversations. I just don't think they're serious conversations and Lonzo probably feels okay he's having talks, but I'm the one actually driving this search. That's why kind of interpreted, but I really do hope that lavar knocking to be involved in this decision because I think it's time for Lonzo take his career back, and maybe this whole big baller brand mess. You know, maybe this is a blessing in disguise in. This can be the thing that finally allows Lonzo to be zone man and take his career, you know, into his own hands. Because I think that's what they want needs to do. This episode hoops site podcast is brought to you by seatgeek getting tickets online can be far too complicated. There's hundreds of sites out there. You don't really know who to trust? That's why seek is the way to go. They pull millions of tickets into one place. 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Where if you download the seek app and put the promo code hoops hype. In you, get ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. So download the seek app promo code hoops hype. But just like the site, and you get ten dollars off your first seek purchase. Yeah. I think so too. I think that you know, the VAR can do all he wants them terms of being involved right now. But if if Lonzo doesn't give the green light if the seal of approval, it means nothing, and you know, I think I've been talking about this from, you know, felt folks who who I know who will work in sports business industry and Oregon representation, and you know, the overall sense that I'm getting right now. And this is kind of, you know, the least surprising news of the day is, you know, Rich Paul rub Palanca Magic Johnson and the best agent and then the world whoever whoever that might be moving forward couldn't get all three of these sons on on the same team. Maybe ever. I mean, the way the roster construction would work just wouldn't make any sense. A main obviously, you know, worked at the high school level in chino. And that's amazing. I would have been nice to see it happen. And in terms of, you know, our story, but you know, there's three holiday brothers in the NBA right now. And I don't see a situation where all three Lee plan on the same team anytime soon, you know, they're Marcus Sola isil never been on the Sam team, even though both changed teams this year main while it's while it's a lovely thought. And something that, you know, ideally, we'd like to see one day, you know, as a as a fan, you know. I mean, I think was Ken Griffey senior and Ken Griffey junior on the Sam team want once. Right. You even look at this with the LeBron James angle how how exactly would LeBron James end up a plane with brawny LeBrun, James junior. I guess we'd have to have his his contract run out. And then he just signs with whatever team gets number one pick on picks up brownie in. Then you just hope they have enough cap space assigning or lay signs a minimum deal. I mean, you know, so much of these these kind of situations or circumstantial known agent only has so much. Our to make those kind of moves. So no, I mean, no agent can really say anything along the lines of. Yeah. We can get jello and mellow and Lonzo in the same building. No problem at all. No. I mean, that's that's for that's for us for summer as a new either hanging out, you know, back at the big baller state and chino. And I I just really. Hope that one day that reality can strike in for lavar. I I really feel across the board that that, you know, Lonzo hasn't really done much wrong or much to make anyone uncomfortable ever. Indeed, hasn't set any other Hong things he's been consistently good sport about this. He has a really good job of not embarrassing or disparaging this father, while also keeping his business and not really giving a quotes. That would make anybody uncomfortable either. I mean, so much of the hate towards that family really may come from the patriarch, but you know, Lonzo is really been about as business, and you know, across the board is just really been been focused on his own productivity and getting better and showing improvements to his game. I think you're over year without without the injury setback. Lonzo's kind of hidden has thrived right at the tail end of the of his of his personal season this year before he four. Had to miss time due to the injuries. But you know, I think that you know, you're seeing a player who can really show a lot of overall development. Obviously, I've talked about this in the podcast before. But a truly elite rebounder of very very good defender the whole Lakers team defense collapse. But he wasn't in the picture. I think he has a elite core vision. I like that he's not necessarily someone who is going to be as bulbs augments when playing next abroad and Kyle Kuzma. And he's I think there are times where I'd like to see him. Maybe, you know, take the shop more just so that, you know, the defenders have to account for him rather than just leaving them open for three Lithuania with Ben Simmons. But I would say that he started to do that too. Even if he's missing it the fact that he's taking to you have to guard him. So you know, Lonzo is kind of added smart thinks his game. And I think across the board. That's all you can really ask for that in quotes. He hasn't really given that. Yeah. And I want to stress that, you know, it's funny. I interview. Lonzo when he was in high school, and he came off as the most humble polite kid. You know, and I was really blown away. The interview stood out to me for a long time. Even before he became a lottery pick and things like that. I remember back then I was thinking man, this is a really good kid. And this is before lavar was really on the scene and really known at all. And then once lavar started popping up and making these crazy statements. I remember thinking how is how did Lonzo come from this family? How did how did he grow up around lavar and become this humble in this quiet, and it it's just their polar opposites, and it's funny. I've talked to players who expected to this like Lonzo, you know, whenever the Lakers drafted Lonzo. A one player went this is going to be a nightmare. You know, he's gonna be you know, this and that there's gonna be all this drama. And then as soon as Lonzo got there. He the player it to me. I was completely wrong. He's the nicest kid, he's amazing in the locker room. He's a good leader. You know, everyone raves about him. All the all the issues them from you know, the people that are surrounding him. Whether it's lavar or you know, obviously. Now this Allen foster character, I think he really needs to again, I think this could be a blessing in disguise if you steps back and says, look, you know, from now on dad, I don't want you giving interviews. I don't want you making these crazy statements. You know last year, you know, like, you said he was playing well, we saw his importance after he went down because the Lakers really were much worse team when he wasn't around. You know, you look at his traditional stats over his forty seven games, you know, nine point nine points, five point four assists, five point, three rebounds. You know, they don't really jump off the page, but you know, he was really doing well on defense. And I think he'd has changed the way that Laker team plays. And you know, the injuries have been really unfortunate. Hopefully, you can get past that and be healthy consistently going forward. But I think he needs to have that conversation with his dad, and then once you can do that. I think he's the position where this next year could be a breakout year for him on the court, and then the first year of his career the first year of his, you know, basketball life where he's able to call the shots and not have to worry. About the drama that comes with his dad's comments, and you know, because every time his dad makes a comment or crazy quote. You know, reporters are asking him about it. They're asking teammates about it in a becomes a whole thing. I mean, we saw this past year when the Anthony Davis trade rumors were going on lavar ball's going on saying, we don't want, you know, we don't wanna be a New Orleans. We want to be in Phoenix. And he's making all these comments and low, you know, Lonzo has to answer questions about that. You know, teammates, get ask questions about that. You know, this would be a much better situation. If lavar ball either on his own realized, I knew take step back and stop doing this and making these comments, but I don't see that happening. So I think Lonzo needs, you know, like, you said he's done a really good job of not hurting anyone's feelings or disparaging his father through the media. But just have a sit down with dad and say, look, this isn't going to work if you keep making these kind of comments, you're hurting my career, we tried things your way, we did big baller brand. We passed on a five year fifteen million dollar deal from Nike, according to Nick dipaolo from. Yeah. ESPN? And look what happened, you know now. Whereas where you know, we're out one point five million dollars. There's been some questions about whether the big baller brand shoe was the reason for his ankle injury. The Lakers were questioning that and asks Lonzo specifically, the you feel the shoe caused your injury. So we tried things your way dad now, let's try things by way. Let me be on my own pick my own agent. Let's just kind of lay low for little bit and not make these crazy statements. I think that's what happened because I mean, again, the big things for me going back to the trade the trade talk. You know, whenever you're saying things like we don't want to go to New Orleans. You know, at the end of the day, a player doesn't have control over trade talks or or shot process. And if the Lakers the summer trade for ethnic Davis, Lonzo ball, very well could be included in that deal. Then suddenly you're in New Orleans on a multi year contract. And things are extremely awkward. You start a relationship very poorly because you've been saying negative things or your father has been saying negative. Things about the team about not wanting to be there. Some those comments the ones that the comments about, you know, wanting his boys the play together. And you know, the comments that come off as cocky, you know, how he could be Michael Jordan one on one. I don't care about that stuff. It's the stuff that affects the locker room where he talks about teammates or talks about Luke wall in or talks about trade destinations those things that have an impact on lodgers career. And those the things that I think he needs to really that's where Lonzo needs to say those have to stop. Yeah. No. I I completely agree. But you know, I think I think you know, you look at someone who's a very clear narcissist like lavar ball, and you kind of have to realize that this is part of the just they're they're ingrained self. And I think there's only so much. They Lonzo could really say before it really becomes a a matter of he's not gonna listen. So I think that it might not be having the conversation with the VAR by becoming he's already tried several times. I think. Be more than conversation with the public works. Like, hey, listen, you know, I'm not trying to embarrass my dad. I love him. Like I made the album that I have that whole beautiful song about him. Like, I clearly a fan of this guy. He raised me to be the put the person I am. But he doesn't speak for me. And that's kinda the thing. I have to really say. And that's a really hard thing to ask. If someone like Lonzo, who's what, you know, twenty years old now twenty one years old maybe and to to have that deep conversation with the public is a huge undertaking. And something that I wouldn't wish on anybody. So, you know, I think it might really just be a matter of letting this grow up a little bit on his own and realizing that, you know, these are parts of growing up that you know, we wouldn't really necessarily all known because we don't always get the public spotlight. I mean, there are proud fathers who would have very similar kind of. Reactions to their to their sons in the NBA, and they would they would want that. And plus it upon them might be handled differently. But you know, it really is hard to control it. And I think that you have to locate Lonzo in this own little lens words, like it's still a young kid still really trying to figure it all out. And you know, I think that we saw from ESPN Ramona Shelburne on the collective podcast with Brian will Hearst that LeBron Lonzo have gotten way closer, you know, in recent events because of everything and that's not exactly surprising. I think you're really seeing somebody here who was who was the kid in a lot of ways kind of turn it into a bit more of an adult than I think that he's having to realize face fairly tough thing. In his life that other people his age might not to ever deal with the now that he has this kind of public persona. He has to relent a stand this in a way that is almost unfair to him. But you know, the expectations of his job is reality. So it's kinda just the the the the what's going to happen here. Yeah. I mean, LeBron knows what is like to be criticized by the masses in, you know, be judged in mocked and things like that. And and I think he can really help Lonzo and be a nice mentor for him because you know, from the very star. Lebron intrigued by Lonzo remember during summer league whenever LeBron win watch. Lonzo play. I mean, there's always been that intrigue there. And I think it's interesting to hear that they're getting closer throughout this whole process. I think that LeBron you know, he wants to help him. And I think probably feels bad for him. You know that he had this whole thing. Go wrong. I also think LeBron I think you know, he he wants to kinda grew. I'm him. And we saw something similar with Kyrie and in Cleveland. And I know Kyrie was kind of bothered by it because people, you know, there were questions about LeBron being a father figure or something like that to him. And and I know Kyra felt like no I'm on the same level of him. I'm a star, blah, blah, blah. But I do think that it's in LeBron's nature to want to mentor. These guys in kind of be that, you know, big brother figure at least. And I think it's good for Lonzo to have that. You know, if LeBron. If if LeBron didn't go to Los Angeles in lonzo's dealing with all of this, you know, on I think it'd be harder for Lonzo right now. Lebron wasn't in LA because you know, he'd be looked at as the guy that needs to turn things around. And you know, the the star of the tea in the face of the franchise, you know, along with, you know, Kaku Brandon Ingram. I it's obviously hypothetical. But I think it's good for him that LeBron is there, and we had this conversation earlier, you feel like he's a good fit alongside LeBron James. I think he needs to improve his shot a little bit. I think you wrote an article about Alex Caruso in how the Lakers really need to have guys that are good catching shoot players alongside LeBron next season. Because when he succeeded in Cleveland and Miami, he's had guys economic data open shots, and we know, you know, he penetrates and kicks out. And when guys get knocked down shots, you know, those offenses can be deadly. That's where I have trouble with the whole Lonzo thing because he isn't a great shooter. I think you know, he can work on. Hopefully, he does and becomes better shooter. If you can do that, then I think he's going to be a great fit alongside LeBron. And I agree with you on the defense the court vision pushing the pace he's always looking to get down the court. I I just think that shot as a really big issue. And that's kind of a concern for me. That's what I want to really see him work on this off season. Yeah. Definitely I think, you know, more realistically, he's definitely been working on his shot. Like, no doubt about that. I'm sure he's spending countless hours working on his shot. But the one thing that I think would be the most realistic even to be honest with you would really be a matter of his floater. You know, he he is a someone has always been afraid to draw contact and doesn't really get to the line at the lead level. And I think you'll his short mid range game would really improve a ton. If you could kind of develop a floater develop a teardrop, that's at least competent. So that he could kind of you know, he's taller than his defenders. Right. He kind of float that ball in from that junk shop form down there in a way that you know, it doesn't really affect his, you know, a floater. You're not really having like a weird jump shot. Form with that. You'd have more of your own little way of getting the ball in the bucket and be getting the ball close to the basket without really drawn contact without really forcing too much. So I think it's really something that you continue to build out his game. I mean, obviously, you're seeing a lot of Jason Kidd comparisons from him in the past. And you know, kid is somebody who is one of the top three point connectors of all time, and the three pointer that didn't come overnight. I mean, that's the years and years to develop them, you know, he's a he's a smart enough guy hard enough worker that I'm not I'm not too concerned about that. But I have to ask you this. You know, I mean, if you look at the draft that twenty seven teams draft, I have to wonder, you know, where Lonzo would have really gone, you know, knowing where he's at now, I think that obviously Tatum goes number one. I think that may be you know, you look at Donovan Mitchell case for number two. But if the Lakers have that pick, and they think LeBron has coming. I think it'd be. Pressed to find a better player. You know, then Lonzo because you do have that a shooting potential to develop down the line. I think that you saw some of that shooting at UCLA. I was at a game at Pauley pavilion. Westwood against my Oregon ducks than we had one of the nastiest Ray pointers one of the most beautiful three pointers. I I had seen in a really long time. He hit this this shot against Dillon Brooks and not team that eventually did go really far in the tournament. Showed that he he actually had you know, some shooting potential that really unlock before that time. I was like, you know, a good player. Yeah. I like Lonzo will be a first round pick to now. This could be an elite player and sometimes you see flashes of a player college that don't really develop until later into their career. And that's kind of where I'm at Lonzo is while I think he doesn't have the shooting yet. That's all that's all still potentially in the works. Take some time for a young card to develop the things that he does have do fit. Really, well, and that's the bra. I mean, you know, you look at someone like Dante Murray on San Antonio. And I think that that's somebody like kind of almost compare similarly where really good Clark vision not as ball dominant. And so you can kind of help the guys around him play better. And also, I think that really, you know, really great rebounding really great defense, obviously, lonzo's wingspan isn't quite Lamar eases. But you know, Murray's a clutch client one of LeBron's players young player. Young players in the league. And I think they all the reports coming into the season this year before marketing, fortunately suffering. His injury was a his shooting was really coming along. And I think that's something that you just kinda seal the blunt guard. Sometimes it takes you know, certain times. And you know, the game the game is really fast. You know, when you're in the NBA, and sometimes that you know, maybe his shooting in this flying during practice. That's kind of what you're looking for. To get that comfort level to bring it all together on the same level. I mean, you don't really see players like Donovan Mitchell who set the record for three pointers of one ear off for rookie. Come along every year. There's a reason why Mitchell know set that record is it's because it's a really Arctic the do. Yeah. No. I totally agree with you. I think a few things, you know. I think one of the reasons why we were hearing that Murray improved his shot is because he had chip England. One of the best shooting coaches working with him. I hope Lonzo can find a similar shooting coach that can really help him because I think that's going to be a huge part of unlocking his full potential and you back to what you said about the two thousand seventeen NBA draft Jason Tatum. Donovan Mitchell, the other player is deer and FOX I think he would definitely be picked before. Just because he's such a breakout year. He's been fantastic. This guy could be one of the best point guards in the NBA for the next decade. Yeah, he's been incredible. So I think especially if you factor at injury sue we've seen this year. He's been pretty durable to you know, he's already played seventy nine games this year. So those are the three certainly Lonzo, you know, being the fourth player picked in his draft, boss. It's not it's not a knock on him. We just need to see a little bit more. And hopefully, we can you know, I really do wanna see Lonzo succeed. I wanna make that clear. I think there's a lot of people out there that are reading for him to fail. And I don't like that. I I hate when people are looking at a situation like this. And whether it's because of lavar or whether it's because he is a Laker or whatever, you know, he's he's twenty one year old kid. He's been screwed over by people that he really trusted. Apparently Allen foster was a family friend that you know, he felt really comfortable around and really trusted. So you know, he has had. A really crappy few weeks. He's really, you know, he's been screwed over by manager lost one point five million dollars. And to be clear. You know, some people are like, oh, yeah. That's nothing. You know, he's be a player. Lonzo's not James harden, and where he has a two hundred million dollar contract and thirty million dollar salary. This year loan is on a rookie deal in Los Angeles. Where we were I it's, you know, a lot more expensive to live there and a lot more taxes, and blah, blah, blah. But the point is losing two million dollars or one point five million dollars. You know, that's really gonna hurt. If you're Lonzo ball, especially if you put money into big baller, brand and indifferent ventures and things like that. So hopefully, you know, this this this lawsuit goes their way, they can get that money back. And then hopefully, we can see Lonzo get healthy. And then take that next step in his career. I really do want to see him break out and has excess and I think. I I want to ask you this. Do you think we see Lonzo get traded this summer because I think just like I said earlier, you know, I think the Nike deal that he could get potentially assuming he's talking like you and is going to sign with the deal is going to be a lot smaller than the five year. Fifteen million dollars deal us being offered out of college. That's my opinion. I think that is. Yeah. His stock is lower now than it was when he was entering the NBA was a car. Needle the moment. It goes off the lot you start to loosen value in some ways. Right. Exactly. It's all about potential all about potential at that point. He was viewed as you know, could be the star of the Lakers. And now that was before LeBron. So you're thinking, okay, we could have the number to overall pick who was the star of the Lakers, and you know, there and who knows how good he could be. He could be you know, the a superstar from day one. Now, obviously he's had some injuries. You know, you know, he's at least going to be the number two guy. He's never going to be the number one guys long as LeBron's there. So you have these different factors that are going to give they're going to factor into his, you know, Nike offer. But I look at that. And I feel the same way about his trade value. You know, there there's been talk about, you know, do the Lakers trade him. I feel like it makes more sense to hold onto him and try to develop him and hope that he can you know, work through these injuries and really expand his game in the way that we've talked about rather than trade him to a team. Because I feel like right now his trade value was very high. The only way you do that. I think is if the New Orleans pelicans are demanding Lonzo for Anthony Davis. And in the packages in too crazy, if that's the situation then you almost have to make that kind of move because anything Davis is obviously such such a special player. But what do you think about lonzo's future in LA? Do you think they trade him or do you think, you know, his trade value prevented it makes it smarter to hold onto him? I think that you know, he would have likely been the one young guy that probably would have kept, you know, in a trade for potentially Anthony Davis. Just because I think that New Orleans had kinda you'll may begun some bad vibes from lavar and then the camp and everything, and I think that Ingram would probably have been the player, they would have coveted the most just because he has the star potential, but realistically, I would say that, you know, next moving forward with Ingram's now unfortunate health injury. We're not we're health concern and everything that's probably not going to necessarily be the case as much. I think it might be a tougher tougher trade to make and I think that you know, really were just have to see what Ingram's development looks like off the court hoping that he'd doping the best for him. And I think that. I don't know manage it's tough to say, I don't think Lonzo gets traded though. I think that on the is going to be a liquor for probably a long time. I don't think he played slow career the Lakers. But I really see a situation he is with the Lakers moving forward. I think that you know, it's it's a tough thing to trade for for him. So I there's so many questions about Lonzo. I think that really. I don't know if the Lakers get the were back on the investments that they would want to go move forward. And especially if we'll ever Ramona Shelburne reported was true, you know, that LeBron Lonzo guy and a lot closer since his all went down. We know how much input in power and influence. Lebron has over decisions. It's very possible that maybe that is part of the reason Lonzo stays as well. You know, if if LeBron is saying, hey, I think he could be a really good, you know, a really important part of our core going forward with Anthony Davis or with the free agent that they signed then, you know, that's obviously you're gonna wait on the minds of rob Pelinka Magic Johnson. And you know, maybe that keeps them in LA as well. The LeBron factor is has to be considered with any kind of move being made with the Lakers because we know how much our. Yeah. So the fact that they're getting closer could actually end up making him stay in Los Angeles as well. So I guess to end on this. No, what do you do you think he signed with Nike? Do you think he goes to one of these upstart companies like PU? Houma or new balance or one of these companies that are trying to sign guys in offering significantly more money or at this point. You think it's gonna be a Nike and Adidas type deal. Gee, I think it'll basically be a law to being Aki, especially with LeBron James factor in everything I think that you know, it's probably just something where it'll probably be hopefully fairly quiet to and they don't probably make a huge deal about. It sorta is what it is. He'll be ninety client, and that'll be that'll be it. And I think it'll be good for good for everybody. Good for good for Lonzo. And me and it sounded like Lonzo liangelo and lamelo didn't really want to do big baller brand to begin with. I think that may have been a good idea some regards. But you also have to look at it. As like, you know, I think that man I mean, I know that lamelo liangelo kind of feel like, hey, thanks for getting us out of here. Man. We really really appreciate it. So that's of the way. I look at it. Now. Right. Is they feel at bay the dodgers bully here. And that's kinda. How I feel like Lonzo is kind of been for them. And you know, he he's of being the tired of being the test tube unites. Tired of being charge of everything where? He has to be, you know, the experiment with everything he kind kinda wants to live his life. And I think my biggest less room to do that. Yeah. I agree with you. I think he goes Nike. I think from an agency standpoint, we we probably see them go at CA. You know, the fact that Chris and Tanya gangly we're both saying that they're the front runner. It seems like this point. That's accurate. How if I'm liangelo? I'm really upset with lavar and the way things played out if I'm gonna mellow. I'm pretty upset too. I mean, there's still some chance that lamelo could maybe salvage this. And you know, there's talk that he could be a second round pick in the NBA or possibly still get to the NBA because some teams, you know, like this is in in his potential, but liangelo he he was at UCLA, he, you know, had he obviously he had the whole incident with the shoplifting. And all that. So maybe maybe he never ends up in the NBA, regardless of what happens, but the whole idea of pulling them out of school and going to let the Wynia playing against competition that was just much lower than anything. He would've faces. A college level doing the same with lamelo, you know, obviously with Lonzo. He was kind of like you said the Guinea pig year, and he has to be frustrated that this whole big, well, our brand thing was kind of pushed on him. And that you know, he didn't just signed a traditional Nike deal from the start. But if I'm if I'm liangelo or I am lamelo, I'm pretty frustrated with the way that my career has been handled. And you know, we don't know how involve there with the decision making. But you know, from what we've heard and also what we see in know anytime, there's a reality type show where you're seeing things behind the scenes and getting a glimpse into people's lives. And obviously not all of that is one hundred percent accurate there. There's things that are staged. And we know that. But it seems like, you know, the whole decision to go with the way in. Yeah. It was all of our. And if I'm if I'm land lamelo, I'm pretty pissed about how things went down. Lamb to. And I think that you know across the board across the board. You has got to be written for the family here, and I'll take and figure things out, man. But now it's been a really good conversation. Hope that we can continue to again soon when you know, really across the board things got a little bit better. Yeah. Hopefully next time you talk lonzo's in a better spot. Hopefully that money's been recovered, and and he's with Nike and healthy and back on the court. We will see what happens with the sole situation. But it's been certainly been interesting, and has lots turns made you for joining me today. Brian. I really appreciate it everywhere. Make sure if all in Bryan on Twitter at Brian Calabro. See make sure you're following his work on hoops. 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Full Show (Lonzo and LeBron, Eagles RB injuries, Pats vs. Chiefs, Heisman race)

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Full Show (Lonzo and LeBron, Eagles RB injuries, Pats vs. Chiefs, Heisman race)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host, Johnny Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate, so skip, Shannon, let's get to it. Good morning. Welcome to undisputed alive from Los Angeles. I'm Johnny Taft here. Skip Bayless, Shannon, Sharpe, draining our you to the green top the hair back. It's just sincere. Now, how about, let's talk some sports now about it. Next ready, you ready. He will be. She just get on with the show. All this baloney I told you do told you that was phony. How was thinking I was genuine from art, Ginny already gave it. I gave a, you can get out here. So you guys been having like off camera conversation. All right. The case, I'm free call. Can I work into his schedule. We are coming up on today's show. The eagles could make a big trade. The patriots are being disrespected, much like me and does. Brian is not happy with Shannon, start Lakers bribes moved LA got a lot of attention, but there will be even more buzz tonight when the Lakers faced the defending champion warriors in a preseason game in Vegas, Lonzo ball is expected to come off the bench and play with his new teammate tonight for the first time since surgery for a torn meniscus LeBron said about Lonzo quote, he's looked pretty good Shannon. How will launch a look with LeBron tonight of the you'll be interesting how it looks nice give because I don't think the Brian James has ever played with a guy that reminds them so much of himself who can rebound who can assist the ball looking to get others involved before he for themselves. And I don't believe Lonzo will ever be the score and we don't think LeBron score, but he averages only twenty I think of him in score, but go ahead. Yeah, but he average. But he says he's not. Scores like Kevin Durant, James harden. We look at guys like that scores. Michael Jordan was a score. We don't let fifty. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Why are you talking. Go ahead, move this thing sometime need help. Alabi. You need media back to track. You get off, Trat need hill and you need you schooling occasionally. But I've never. We've never seen LeBron play with a guy like this. Normally LeBron surrounded by shooters we he's always his number two. Normally, d. Wade in Miami could go get buckets carrying Cleveland could go get buckets. And so we've never seen LeBron played with someone like this is going to be very interesting because we didn't think Chris, Paul and James harden would work out is seamlessly. Did I? Now they spend a lot of times in the off season that UCLA work and trying to get their game together. But I think LeBron Lonzo at UCLA I'm just asking, I'm just asking a quick question if I'm not mistaken, Ginny, the Lonzo have surgery this off season. No, he wasn't UCLA having surgery LeBron having surgery, but for much of the off season, he was having PRP shots trying to avoid surgery just for the if. He'd having PRP shot. The one thing they tell you if the stay off the land about that, but go ahead what if you're gonna go back out there and jumped heart and skill. You have an instant healing from PR. I've had them. I need another one right now. Go ahead. Are you? This is not about skill betas your antics now, would you? Yes, stop interrupt me. Let me think. So with that being said, I don't know how well this is gonna work. Skip a less. They stagger Lonzo in minutes, but here's your problem. You still have three guys on the team that can bring the ball up the court to other than LeBron Ingram Iran go. So how much are you going to stagger medicine? How many minutes? I don't know if laws are going to get is going to be interesting again to see the lineup that Luke Walton. 'cause I'm sure he'll be tinkering is he ever gonna play Lonzo Rondo and Brian together. So that's what I'm looking to see how this thing work at the workout because LeBron is playing with the guy that's unselfish as here's and that three he worked. On the shot. So he's going to get a lot of uncontested threes couple LeBron's going to drive in kit. That's what he does, or he just looks over the defense in kicks. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting. I don't know. You don't know what maybe you do because you know skill skipped. So you can say, this is a bunch of phony baloney for me, but I'm gonna give you this straight from the heart. I think that LeBron James and Lonzo ball will be great together. I think they will be great for each other and I especially think LeBron will be great for Lonzo and somewhat vice versa. But you hit the magic question and I thought this summed it all up. When Luke Walton said yesterday when asked how many minutes Lonzo will play tonight. He said somewhere between ten and thirty ever heard a coach site. I think I'll play that guy somewhere between ten and thirty minutes. Well, that just sums up what's going to happen this year. Because I'd say almost every night it's going to be somewhere between ten and thirty. Depending on line. I don't know what depending on Rondo depending on Brandon Ingram, depending on the flow, depending on what LeBron likes because LeBron loves him. Some veteran experienced been there and done that basketball players. And he loves Rondos IQ because he talks about Rondos basketball IQ in the same level and an atmosphere with his right knee. Love Brenning, reliability loves upside thinks he's the one with the star quality on this team, and he's still instead a word about Kaku so, but I don't know. I don't know what that's about. Why are you trying to call problem? It's just this addition by subtraction thing that I don't know what's going on there, but between the lines he's not talking about Kaku Zuma but maybe nobody from LA from the media's ask about cock cruise mode. I don't know. But the point is that tonight it's somewhere between ten and thirty. Okay. I don't know what that means because Luke doesn't know what that means and I don't know what lawns actor. Well, obviously he's gotta try to play his way into Basle they shape. But the point is I don't know what his role is going forward. I don't know if he's going to be on the trade bloc. I'm going to guess. No, because Magic Johnson tied a lot of his pride and reputation on the fact that he picked him with the number two overall pick. And I don't think he wants to swallow that just yet was Lonzo a little shaky last year. A lot shaky. A lot of times I saw flashes of goodness and greatness, and I saw a lot of what are you doing because you you're not even plugged into tonight. You're not even trying. This will not be the first time that someone is treated the number two pig. Didn't. They didn't Dallas trae Jason Kidd okay. But that was the Mavericks who were in chaos, ownership, chaos, and GM k. I know Jason Kidd wasn't from Dallas, Texas. No, he didn't go to his hometown him, but at the end of the day, Magic Johnson has an obligation. If he feels he can make this team better by moving Lonzo within he should do that. So I often tell you that I try to look between the lines of what LeBron says, but in this case, I'm not gonna look between the lines because I think he is speaking from the heart when he speaks about a kindred spirit that has Lonzo ball because I think Lonzo of any other human on this planet is the closest to being able to relate to what LeBron went through at age eighteen or fifteen, sixteen seventeen eighteen and vice versa that LeBron can relate to what lonzo's gone through. And by the way, at least LeBron didn't. Unfortunately, he didn't have a father around, but he didn't have a father like lavar who was just heaping. Impossible pressure on her shoulders as he came out of Saint Vincent Saint Mary, right? Maybe that could be a blessing and the curse because he did have his father there everyday to instill certain values to make sure he was at practice to drive him. Sometimes you need that extra booth. And when he may think mom did to go. But I'm just saying, so it was great. You know, I don't always want to look at the bar and some of his antics is being overbearing. I think he did a very good job with those boys. He did the best job that he possibly could and it turned out, okay. He has one son in NBA could possibly have another baby. Boy. We'll see he might, but Lonzo ball to me comes across as a model citizen and a great kid like, I don't know what's not to like about it except you don't love his game. You think he's got bust potential? I don't, but that's just I wanna get that on the record. You've said that you've come real close to call him a bust. No, I did not. Not transcendent, but the. Said magic, I didn't say magic. I would never say anybody's magic. I just think he's gonna be really, really good. Say Jason Kidd. You say you're gonna be like be better than Jason Kidd all time. In insist, the news. So the reason LeBron speaks in such glowing terms of Lonzo ball is that he relates to him number one, but also rare game recognizes rare game Lonzo has rare. Rondo Lonzo has unteachable uncoached gifts, especially the gift of passing the ball. So we're, I think he could be great for LeBron if in fact Lonzo gets to play with LeBron is what he say. Yesterday. Lonzo said we play fast. What is Lonzo do best. He plays fast. Have you ever seen anybody much better at up court passing than Lonzo ball, seriously? Good in what? What did he just due to his body? Now, this is shocking. I think we need to reinforce is this. He said yesterday he is added twenty pounds. He said he went from one ninety two to ten, you know, and I know that's a whole lot of weight game and hopefully it looks like it's muscle mass game as opposed to body fat gain. Did he change. His diet because he was gummy bears last year, big gummy bear. And he actually bragged about it as okay, says he changed that radically and completely I'm gonna guess probably not, but maybe some. So can he carry twenty pounds and maintain his quickness? We're about to find out about that because that's going to be shocking for him when he gets an NBA considering those knees and knees, that's a good point p he's had. So you on that needs is going to be very important. I understand him gaining the weight scale because maybe that helps him at the rim. It's because he four point guard. He didn't finish at the rim as well as you thought he should. I would totally agree or maybe that extra twenty pound help him at. Right. And what is Chris? Paul's greatest strength stature, he's, he's built man, he's strong. He plays strong. He can bounce you off to. He can create space trying to post him up that little or no, where he's a little bull. So I think the twenty pounds as he figures out how to carry it will benefit him greatly. So what did Lonzo ball do last year? He averaged ten point seven rebounds and seven. Assists the shocker is the seven rebounds and for much of the year Overbrook Lopez. He led the Lakers in rebounding and I kept telling you that's that's extrordinary Randall in the UK. Okay. But but he was Overbrook over Randall came on at the end Randall's no longer a Laker that was big loss, but whatever the big law for a big gain, would you got what you get, you know, stop you. You mean old guy, the sixteenth year guy, you know? So we'll be old guy. My point is what is Lonzo do his great strength. He rebounds basketball, I told you before he could easily, maybe not this year, but as he grows even know what his role is, but he could average ten rebounds a game. I think you could average a triple double the way. Russ has the last two years, but if he could average ten rebounds a game, then what's his next greatest strength pushing the basketball? What is LeBron's greatest strength right now in year sixteen getting into the open court on the break. Because if he gets the ball in his hands, full speed at six, nine, two hundred sixty pounds. Can anybody in the world stopping nobody can. So what I'm saying is that's a diamond amick duo right now if you can play fast, like Lonzo likes to play, what if Lonzo gets the ball off the backboard? What if you rebounds the basketball and then is able to push it up court with a half court or quarter link pass to twenty three then what's going to happen? Destruction is going to happen because nobody if. The point guards back and LeBron gets step on the point guard. You think the point guard can keep him from the rent. No skip. It was reported last year. The one thing that interested LeBron about moving going so else places, especially Philly was his ability to play out the ball, but here's the thing. How long is LeBron willing to play out the ball if things are not going? Well, I understand. He knows he can't realistically challenge for championship this year, and we've seen him at other times in Cleveland play off the ball. But if if things started to go haywire, yes, who has the ball in their hand. Okay. So now when you get Lonzo doesn't have the ball because I don't think Lonzo can play out the ball. Juliette. He had learned how to play without the basket ball in his hand. Okay. Of Lonzo EPA LeBron has the ball in his hand, what is Lonzo do when he's on the court with abroad? If it's already scored, he just gets back on defense. That's what I'm saying. That's how they're gonna play. I think they're gonna play faster than anybody thanksgiv- when you that small. You basically saying all guys too. You don't have a seven footer. You don't have a guy that you can definitely make just go get the rebound because McGee is not gonna play somewhere between ten and thirty minutes nine. So now you underside, they're already talking about possibly playing count couvert at the five. Yeah. Well, if you play cow coups met the five, Brandon Ingram that the four to three LeBron's the three hundred four and you got Rondo Josh heart getting. That's a small lineup, somebody's gonna punish him on the gland. Okay, you try to get out and fast break and teams are eating you alive on the offense rebound okay, but if you can just outscore teams, you can win a lot of you say you don't like that. Remember do them LeBron if three hundred and fifty fifth and defensive proficiency and he just dropped in your mind, but I liked actually three. Oh eight. But I'll give you three fifty five, but so you said, don't try outscore. He's got a play some defense. Now you want them to appease you and make long. I'm just trying to maximize the potential of a bunch of kids and a bunch of cast-offs playing with the. Guy in his sixteenth year in the best way to do that is what magic loves most. And it's Showtime. Number two here is just pushing it like crazy. Trying to get LeBron on his many fast break opportunities you can provide for and the one guy who can do that best is that number two guy right there. So I wanna see Lonzo play thirty five minutes a game. I want to see him become partners with twenty three because I think they can be better with Lonzo than with Rondo and I got nothing but respect for Rondo. But Rondo we all know is a defensive liability. What is he six feet tall? I'm not even sure he's six feet tall. Okay. Look at this other kid. He six, seven now to ten. He says, one guy is battle-tested. I got him. They're done then. Yeah, and that's that's going to be the issue for both Rondo and Lonzo skill when the Brian drives and kick the ball. Okay. Who's gonna knock down that shot. Rondo likes to play a little slower. He likes methodical, he likes setup. He likes to. Sly. He's doing all that. The other guy likes to push it like crazy. It's in his blood. It's what he does best. And I also think if he's added twenty pounds, he can get to the rim or whether whether easily whether he finishes or not as a whole nother question. But if he gets to the rim, then twenty three's going to have more open shots, four, three, not out on video. I'll know if you follow them on Instagram. I even not following money into, but even posted, he'd been a knockdown shooter not up or posting on Instagram. He's been. He's been post. Oh, really? Yeah, Jenny me. That's all I know. Thank you. Janey stop it. Don't you check other people's Instagram, just your own? I've just checked Cuyler Murray's the see how close to you brought it up right near you started. I'm gonna. I'm gonna finish it. So back to the drawing board. So what's the number one issue with number two, he couldn't shoot a lick last year. He shot forty five percent from the free throw line, and I cannot will not will not even try to defend that because that is flat out pathetic. And that is a deal breaker. That is your out of the league. If you keep shooting forty five. It was only the free throw line, but the three point line demand line every line, it had anything to do with shooting. He wants stretches that he got hot from the three point. One even shooting his old unconventional way from the left side of his face, and he also has stretches where he was colder than the sun rising with an overcoat at his correct. I will agree with you, but I told you there was that one, seven game stretch. What was it? Kind of January to March play eighty two, but it was a seven-game stretch when you saw him. I think he was second in the league over that stretch because he was crazy, hot Geno. What's what's seven percent of eighty two. I mean seven eighty two. What percent? Hey, remember he was hurt for the end of the year. I think you only played fifty. Okay. We'll fill to fifty. Hey. All right. So. Seven percent for forty nine. That's Semper Ginny, how good is forty one percent from the three point line. Is that pretty good? I'd say that's pretty good legit. If you don't mind me asking, when did you kill? He's shot that at UCLA. It was all the guess what they went in a forty one percent clip, which is really good against top level act, twelve. If I didn't know better. I thought the UCLA was blue and go and the Lakers are go. So I'm trying to correlate how does what he did at UCLA hill him, we're, it predicts greatness. That's what happens. If you can do that in college basketball, you can do it in pro for debt. By the way, last night for Shanghai scored like fifty points forty time. I don't know. He'll fire back and look it up. I said, Jim Burnett would be a bust. I said it before the draft go, look it up, but I'm saying what he did in college k. so he can figure it out. He can fix it. And now he says, and I can't wait to see this tonight. I hope he gets a couple open threes because he said he has changed his form. I can't really tell if it's from the right side of his face or sort of from the middle of his face as opposed to over here. And you know what skip the hardest thing is to do is to take what you learn in practice and in training. So we're going to see now we know in the gym. Oh, the wishing he's wishing it, but what happens for quarter? You need it. Muscle has memory will revert back to what is done. I, especially under here. Yeah, exactly. Has the stage ever been too big for one Lonzo ball? No. Well, we don't. We don't know yet, and the ad been on a big. 'cause the last big stage he was all you remember what their father did. Okay. Okay. And you know what? It just happened to his mom. I'm not making big excuses, but I think that's a legitimate excuse. She had just had a stroke f. and father and other two sons couldn't even go to the game. It was in Memphis versus. The things get the stage now is not playing in different arenas. The stages playing alongside that guy. I only agree. There's no bigger stage basketball and the stage Twenty-three came into effect Ramento. Yeah. Even in Brooklyn, more meal walking is like playing in Madison Square Garden on a nightly basis. Okay. So I say Lonzo ball can be a career thirty. I'll say thirty five percent three point shooter. That's good enough. Beth ground level. Yeah, that's better than Bronco Brian thirty five points the four point, six rounded oaks. I love how when it comes to LeBron you do any round and you hold it to that. He's thirty four this. Well, everybody who rounded. All I know is he was three hundred and fifty. Fifth in individual defensive wind, Shannon, Sharpe Holo. What are they? Gotta do it? We'll talk about Lonzo. Well, you know what Lonzo last year was, whereas thirty seven. He was thirty. Seventh and individual defensive wind shares. Think about that. He ranked thirty. Seventh of all players in the league LeBron rank three hundred eight in all players in defense, fourteen enough in God blesses God's will. We'll see where he is in defensive efficiency in your fifteen. Okay. Well, if I can assure you well abroad, Jay was when he was in his prime because remember he's like six or seven times I team all defensive. What tents did you just use pass that was. Oh, you don't. If you skip was you are he was what he doesn't even play. Any defense. Tell you the most astounding development I saw in the playoffs last year LeBron played one man's zone underneath the basket and watched everybody else. That's kind of what he exactly he kind of plays like single high safety there Regis greatest, they believe so. Okay. Well, good luck to the Lakers on defense. The plays defense. You just don't you just say you want them to outscore everybody the only way to fly. So how you outscore everybody the best way to outscore is with number to push in the basketball. That's what they're gonna have to figure out. And you know what? In the end, I said this last year and I'm going to preface this year by saying it. There's something about Luke versus Lonzo that I don't like. I think there's undercurrent there. Undertone of disrespect where it got off on the wrong foot last year. Did it not because right away Luke was pulling Lonzo at like the six minute Mark of the first quarter and not reinserting him until mid second quarter. So even making sit a whole quarter of the first half when he was the number two overall pick, and they obviously did not have LeBron James and Lonzo clearly did not like it, and you know, his father really, really did not like it and took shots at Luke saying that the team was quitting on him, and I think it came from Lonzo because I think Lonzo I'm not saying he quit. He just didn't play very hard for Lou. Clash. Right. Okay. I can believe that their stretch of where he seems seen interested uninterested, so we'll all that change with LeBron. I think it might. I told you that was my first statement today. Those two will be great for each. I hope so. Yeah. So do I for Laurent sake? Oh, no, you don't. No, you don't you, you won't be miserable. No, I don't because I think LeBron could win in the scoring title in large part Acilitator by number why we came away. We Hollywood another rhino. You came from my week.' for another title, which we will get Michael Jordan. You want that will get, you know what title issue a championship this year? No. Okay. Now this year's the right off, you note in my retirement, we don't do this is we're going to win the MVP, but we're not going to be very good year. We're going to be good, very good. I'll really like fifty, five wins good or. I probably won't regret, but we will be okay. He's fucking off. We're going to have a lot of debate and discussion. I would say. All right. Do the eagles need to make a big trade and are the patriots being disrespected, discuss that. 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He knows he has another year at the dishes, skip, they're going to have to do something Aaron Rodgers and making thirty three and a half million per year. Hard for me to believe that Khartoum with is not going to be in that ballpark, not higher. So he knows. And this is why you see guys start to go for you see the Rams they go for Rick. Contract, I would not be surprising upcoming years. You see, Kansas City go for it on Pat Mahomes rookie contract. That's what you do. And so. Leshan McCoy if there were to do one, John would be more reason because they have reasonable contract. Basically, nine million dollars this year, nine million naked. You could pro rate this year, right? And then you could. You could cut him after this year if you want the bag is that he has in Philly, and there's a pending lawsuit that woman has some serious charges alleged against him. Now, if you feel you have to do your real due diligence because you don't want to make a trade for this guy and the NFL coming say, now you got to sit this thing down for a minute. We worked at thing out. Yeah, that doesn't anybody. And then we're lady on. Labianca the more difficult the too, for the simple fact skip. He wants a term deal if he wanted to play for one year. He could win back to Pittsburgh. He wants reassurances especially if he if you trade for him that you're going to give him a long term deal. How can they? How can they guarantee that as mentioned that the number that he's going to want? So this is why I think I think right now you check the waiver, why you see what's out there the best available. But I think in the meantime, you roll with what you have low Clemett small would they got a guy in Adams. I was reading that they might be like him. Yeah, so I think they're gonna roll with the have. I just don't see it happening handle Shawn. McCoy not had this baggage aside. They know what I mean. He's he's a Pennsylvania kid, and so they know who what Leshan is especially in that organization. But I think this pending lawsuit makes it a little bit more difficult for them to circle back on the show McCoy. And I think a lady on wanting the reassurance that you're gonna give him a long term deal. I think that makes that next impossible. So I would say they're a point five percent chance on labianca and I say they're the two percent chance only percent you could be right on both. Counts, but as a lifelong Dallas cowboy fan, I gotta tell you in all honesty, I live in fear of breaking news from Philadelphia because that GM will go for broke. Yes. Howie Roseman has dominated the National Football League for the last three years dominated it. And the great irony of the statement I just made is how he Roseman didn't even play high school sports. So occasionally I hear from various people on this show. How do you know you didn't play? Well, how does how he Roseman do what he did. He didn't even play high school sports probably a little better. Okay. Well, maybe, but again, does he not plunge? Is he not the new Jerry Jones? Is this division not up for grabs right now is just sitting hadn't even started yet Washington to douse Villier two and three. The giants look like they're out of it, but suddenly almost one a game at Carolina. Could they get back in this? I'm sure they could. It hasn't even started yet how I rose Minoza that better than anybody. So did he. Not arm up going into last season. He went and got al-shabaab and he got Tory Smith. They beefed up everywhere and their defensive line, and you're right, the quarterbacks on a rookie contract, but so is the one in Dallas, am I right about that? I don't know, but you don't hear them, Tom, you don't hit em rumblings in Philly, like you here in Dallas. And I read the other day, say, you know what? Maybe is just a fourth round draft. Oh, I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I'm just saying what I was reading even though he had to better years Carson mines, but that's okay. So back to the question at hand, Howie Roseman and went out last year off, winning it all, and he went and got Michael Bennett in loading. He got Hello de NADA and he got Mike walls. Unfortunately, for them broke his leg. So again, did they not re be up for another championship? One hundred try to. So you made good points. Obviously, rational sound points about less specially Levy on, and then the baggage that Leshan withering back to Philadelphia. Remember yet another incident with the off duty policeman and Philadelphia. That's really suspicious, but he got out of that one. And again, there's some lingering doubt about him in Philadelphia, but look Leshan McCoy left his heart in Philadelphia. He, he left it with Andy Reid. Chip Kelly came and just like snatches heart because he ran out of town along with to a Sean Johns. Yeah. And it seemed like all the skill players you've just running out of town. So when Leshan went to buffalo, he made it real clear. I'm still Philly guide through born like in my. Pittsburgh, but, but the point is, would he love to go back to Philly? Would he give him his all? And he hasn't been very good because he's been splitting carries with Chris ivory in buffalo right now. So he's on his probably is final layup. But I think he made the Pro Bowl national. He many day well, when he gets the cares. But you know, he's been Nick in that he just turned thirty. So is he on diminishing returns right now? He probably is, but they both carried it forty five times so far Leshan has been better than Chris ivory. But again, he's averaging three point eight yards a carry, eleven carries a game. I don't know. Is he better than what Philly has? Yeah. In in the best of all worlds is better than window Smallwood who tries hardy every time he touched by run. I understand what they did because it's been there and he's very good player, but they probably should have moved on from sproles and maybe try to coax. Allegation blunt to come back because they were the number three rushing team last, really, you don't think that helped the young quarterback, of course, because what does that mean when he's turning right hand in the ball on somebody's not putting the hill, his backer in his chest and he was handing it till the Garrett and j right now j.j I heard going in Detroit on and now you've got smaller ish Bax trying to care the low. Yeah. And so you asking Carson but skip the for me. I thought the offensive line would be better than what it is. You got four gathered at some point in their careers, have been Pro Bowl players. Several of them have been all pros lane. Johnson made the Pro Bowl last year from a Pro Bowl, Chelsea's made a Pro Bowl in the past and Jason Peters, I think will be a hall of Famer. So they have a very good and I thought it would be better getting Peters back and moving big feedback to the Anchorage. Yup. But they have been bad talking about the Cowboys. The eagles have been equally. So they're sixteenth in rushing, but they don't have a real true number one back, right? And I still feel fear Howie Roseman because how he Roseman what was the biggest little move of the draft? What? What was the all time snake job. This past draft, Howie, Roseman, one pick ahead of Jerry Jones and don't underestimate Jerry Jones impact on the war room in Dallas that he's going to pull the trigger. He goes up one pick ahead of Jerry, and he takes a guy whose name is Dallas rally, Scott. And I thought he was the best target tight end in the draft and what happened. He went to Philly. And again, they got Zakar. It's right. So you strengthen your strength, you you got, arguably besides Travis, Kelsey, you got the second best in. I don't know, just on catching the football. Zakar. It's at the top special and Dallas could be special because right now fewer Dallas cowboy trust me, he would be their leading receiver he just would be. And so high rose. Snakes, Jerry Jones. He goes up one pick trades up to one pick out of him and takes the guy. They were gonna pick to me. I'm sure of it. I don't know that for a fact, but they take Connor Williams and they their pride on the line. So they just force him into the starting lineup at left guard choice. I, I don't know Fleming that they got from the tackle, but I think he's so experienced in so savvy that you could mix and match. You could remove Lyle Collins back to guard and put Cam Fleming at right, tackle. I don't know their pride. See it's the will McClay factor in, will they trust because their trust in all the kids to come of age slowly, but surely may be fast, but surely see what I mean. So they're just saying we're putting all of our stock in our draft picks will, meanwhile, how Roseman projected next year on his salary cap one into twenty nineteen. They are dead last in cap room. By far they are minus twenty eight million dollars go, okay, somebody's gonna have to go. He just redid let your lecture Cox, so they create. A little cap room which would allow them to fit Leshan in if they wanted to. But it would have to be a rental for this year. I soon you wouldn't want to keep going forward unless you've figured it out, but they're projected to be by far the worst tap team next year. And you know, what do you think he's losing sleep over how he rose Manatt at all. You probably go for it again next year because a before that option hit. Oh, they're going to. They're going to Carson Wentz. Yeah, it's gonna cost you a boatload of money. If one hundred million guaranteed go on right. Moving forward for the quarterback, especially the Jared Goff. The Carson Winston Pat Mahoney have the wild and goes give, but that's the going rate is going to be one hundred million. You might as well load up and go for now. So going into next year, the Dallas Cowboys are projected six best in cap room or they using any of it right now. Have they done anything? Dramatic? Did he make one big, dramatic off season move except for cutting Dez Bryant, and we're going to talk about. Anything you see it because I don't see anything that he's done, and I keep saying Jerry, where are you? He has a history of plunged losses stomach. I don't know what he did because he plunged in the oil field, he struck it rich in the oilfield. He got rich quick quick enough to go by the Dallas Cowboys and then early on he plunged for Charles Haley plunge for Dion Sanders, and I can show you lots of little big plunges in some he swung and missed at, but at least he was known Rory. I'm going to roll roll those dice. If you say this because he gave up two first round picks ROY Williams. He gave two first round pick for nearly Galloway, and now he wouldn't. He wasn't he willing to trade a second round pick because it reported that during the draft they wanted a second round picks the out of Thomas Thomas, but you gave them to first round. And again, I'm not saying Sammy Watkins would have changed your life because he's he's better than what they got way better than what they got any can't stay healthy. He's been victim that he's got all sorts of things, but but he stays hurt. The point is that's usually the move. They go make you cut Dez Bryant. You just say whatever it costs we're going to get Sammy Watkins because he is way better than anything we got. And we would have a true number one receiver if we could keep him on the field. So what else is Jerry done? Nothing. Has he plunged anywhere for anybody or show right showing really good off of sound by, oh, we're going to talk about one here in just a little bit. But the point is I keep waiting for Jerry to do anything. He just rests on his hall of fame laurels. So. So he's one of you guys now. He's like, he's over. He's done. He's semi retired championship three championships. I go to gun. Good, good. I'm good. What more do I knew what? What are they need? So I'll just sit back. We're gonna fill the stadium. We're still going to have the best ratings. We're the one point. Two billion clear of any other franchise. We're the most valuable team in the whole world deal. Yeah. So what what does he care? Well, unfortunately he doesn't care, but guess what? That doesn't hurt him heard you? Yeah, kills me because because my team's pretty good, it's like right on the verge of being pretty side. My defense. I thought was really good. I know you I quarterback and running back a really good, you know, Jen alva- side with him, and he always going to add to it much. You know what you need, just need your general manager to make one move that sends a signal to the locker. I just did this for you. There's the general manager of their general manager have the title? No, he's the general manager. Jerry Jerry's? Okay. Yeah, you do. You have to signal your locker room. You send a message we are going for broke. I just gave you guys somebody Earl, Thomas, whoever it was going to be. It can't be Earl now, obviously, that will make the difference for you to go win the NFC's because remember if you win the NFC east, do you make the place? Yes, you do. You probably you'll get a home game. So if you win the NFC east at nine and seven, you're not gonna win, stop trying to home. Bunch of do not wait. On that too. Your haunted by that our. The patriots are three and a half point favorite at home for Sunday night, showdown against undefeated chief's New England is three and two, and they have scored thirty eight points in back to back home wins on the other side, Patrick Mahomes. He leads the league with fourteen touchdown passes for the chiefs and they're coming off a dominating win over Jacksonville, Shannon, are you surprised by the spread for this one should be skew in Taunton, Tom Brady starter. There have been only four times that we could go back and find that they've been. They were underdog at home two thousand five to eight men and coats, two thousand thirteen to Peyton Manning Broncos two thousand fourteen to Peyton Manning Broncos two thousand fourteen Cincinnati. I could research that will go Steve. That was good. Did you look that up yourselves on their recall way to recall that? Looks like Steve's right recalls. My notes typed up for me, look, Ginny. I have to handwrite all this Joan hardware, but I know idea what is on that paper twenty four team that was coming up in Kansas City. Remember this, we're on the Cincinnati. Yeah, this and that it was paper really. That's a good note. That was twenty fourteen. So the likelihood don't anyways favorite in that game. I want some of that because remember they, Tom, he was over the major grown with wrong with burning Tom Brady all Belan. But guess what? If you play New England, no matter how great you are there, the great chance that you're going to be a dull and they should be Kansas City should be the underdog should be should be getting three points, Tom Brady, rarely, if ever lose that home, what concerns me skip is that big of looking at kids defense isn't very good. I'd say throw that Blake Bortles missed early. I don't believe Tom radio missed those throat. Now is not like the patriots have a defense to write home about either. So I believe Pat Mahomes will make his place, but in New England, man, you got to be perfect. Think about last week unsportsmanlike conduct. They got four of those and personal fouls. Ream hut. Got one d, four got to got down the game. Chris Jones thought he was in the WWE day, the people, they'll both to a guy who cut him on the field goal. So not he's go. You cannot allow Tom Brady on four th down. You get him out the field and you do something dumb to bring him back on the field. And now he gets three more crank that you get the ball on. You can't do that. So with that, no, I'm not surprised. I don't trust a the chiefs defense and look. They go school points, thirty five second league behind jewelry, things going to get their points, but the patriots. They got Elleman back. You saw they hung thirty eight on the coats. They should've had fifty. They don't turn it over because I don't believe. Coast, we're gonna stop them and can say the defense that secondary skip. Run run through Graham rubber through tax dollars in the eighties. Remember Graham Rudman feel Graham warned rubbing senators. And then we, sir. No idea what you're talking about that. But anyway, everybody who I'm talking about. Yeah, there in Nepal, run it through that surplus money. We had really back. Little debate. To grow. I know, but that's okay. Surprise by this year. Yeah, it was because I thought New England be a five point favorite. For them. I thought it would be higher because of the Kansas City defense. And I know it rose and shown against Blake Bortles and I know I thought Jacksonville would be good enough to score some points enough points to win that game in Kansas City. And you're correct about that game because you've never liked Blake Bortles, but he lit up Bella checks defense, didn't he voted three hundred seventy three yards. They put make up on a pig. You all of a sudden thought it was something really special in the truth is Blake. Bortles. Offense was really good at Kansas City last Sunday. Unfortunately, it was way too little too late because they rang up five hundred two totally ours. But it didn't matter because Blake had already thrown four interceptions and got pick six and the offense. It lost a fumble. So they turned it over five times. And Kansas City has to feel a little better about self because it had five takeaway. And that's not the IMO of that defense. The defense won the game for Kansas City, and I can't believe I'm saying that because I thought that was impossible. But Kansas City's defense is still dead last in the National Football League in yards allowed. Thanks to the five, oh to the Jacksonville. So dead last and at least New England's star to come back to life there. Now, sixteenth in yards allowed. But again, trae flowers and Patrick Chung. I know they're not household names. I think they made the difference last week when they came back from injury. Yes, because strike flowers is their best pass rusher and Patrick Chung is the quarterback of that second. I know Devin mccourty is the captain, but Patrick Chung is always to me in the right place at the right time. So all of a sudden they look like a credible defence against Andrew luck. They've had ten days to premise, so that won't hurt. And yet Andy Reid has had a lot of success against Bill bell check. The first success was the game you. The game in question was game four of twenty fourteen and they got blindsided because they got off to a bad start, did New England that year. Remember they lost at Miami. In the opener, and they'd just barely beaten Oakland sixteen to nine. And they go into Kansas City for Monday night and they get annihilated. It was forty one to fourteen and you're right. All the commentators after the game said poor, Tom Brady bell check didn't surrounding with enough help. And so this is the end of Tom Brady and the end of the dynasty and bell check says we're on Cincinnati. And by the way, I'm not being twenty twenty hindsight on this because I wrote about it for ESPN dot com. I said baloney, they will crush Cincinnati and they did window. Did he really. Probably. Well, he would pick anybody to beat New England. But the point is they rose from those ashes and went on and beat Seattle and Super Bowl, but then they come back after the Atlanta victory in to open lash. Yeah. And what happened? It's Thursday night extravaganza and you can argue sort of Super Bowl hangover or they're still celebrating the bunch of Banda. They dropped the whole twenty eight, three banner. And Andy Reid drop forty two on their head forty two to twenty seven. And those were both Alex Smith games against Bill bell check which against brings into question the credibility of the Bill bell check defenses in the last six or eight years. We'll save here on six, eight games. Six. There's a few games gave you to disasters right there came with Gail demands been there twenty years. The Super Bowl a disaster? Oh, my goodness. Jacksonville, disaster was at Detroit a disaster. Okay. Did they get back to barely credible Thursday. Night. Okay with them? Well, he's Andrew luck, but he threw for like four sixty four against Houston. Guys couldn't even get a first down against Houston, so I don't know. But the point is also. You comparing Andrew luck and that? No, I'm no. I was just checking. I'm onto Cincinnati because I'm talking about these games. They were blindsided in both these games. They weren't ready for the onslaught. I don't think they were ready for Kareem hunt. Part it was coming out and I don't think they're ready for tyreek hill wasn't a rookie, but I didn't think they thought that was going to happen. So now they see Kansas City coming. Now they see what Patrick Mahomes is doing to everybody. It's no secret. And I do think Bella check with all of his vast knowledge and experience can make it a little harder on that kid than others have made it than even Jacksonville made it. You're gonna have to throw in a tight windows and you can't turn it over 'cause you play, you play double. Normally you play double for turnovers in the playoffs, but you play double pay double for turnovers in New England because Tom Brady gonna get the ball in the end zone. You see, last week, Blake Bortles had the ball on several occasions in the red zone, and he didn't capitalize pig out and Zawahri picked him late in the ballgame towards the end zone, Tom Brady, that's going to be touchdowns. So I don't know if this is gonna be the classic night where bell check says to Brady, we are going to run the football and we're gonna keep Patrick Mahomes on the sideline. I don't know if it's gonna be the classic. Shoot up well, do you? I don't know if they can win, shootout win it. Can they do to forty five. To watch, but I'm not sure that's what bell check with the two defense is I don't know how you keep a shoot opera incur. Yeah, because I don't really think he did the deepens our great. Well, I don't think either deep is a really good. Yeah, especially dealing with these two offenses in the quarterback utterly agree. You also didn't mention the new. The next Randy moss Josh Gordon who's now emerged, Tom Brady, maybe his next favorite target to element grown this I don't know about, but the point is it Sony, Michelle, not start rising and shining who told you this going to happen. You us. He's gotta find how to run the NFL looking. Well, I could see bell check saying, you know what? We're not even gonna Rhys this. We're just going to pound the rock. We're going to run it or maybe a lot of belittle flip passes. James white. We're going to try to control the football with long drives and keep Patrick Mahomes in the hangar. A lot of those who depend on how healthy Justin Houston, no, he missed most of the game with the hamstring injury. How soon can how can he be? They got some good push inside d four can come up, but just I what I don't get skip how you get a team on fourth and seventeen, and then you stand over the guy, screaming, taunt, the guy. Why would you and looking at it like do cumulatively punchy here before JIMBO Fisher when JIMBO Gabby, Andy reluctant deal with Andy Reid, it's always been a players and he's not the strongest disciplinarian. I don't think he's teams play the most disciplined football, no. So with that being saying, oh, that what you won't go into New England, undisciplined team? Yeah, I do because I want New England win by couple touchdowns. So what why. John rate is the best quarterback in football, keep having to swallow every that that would validate it for you if he wins by two? Well, he beats Patrick Mahomes and that put that his place like one young gun after another next next the what about Pam beat him by two down that means Pat Mahal. Is that what you're predicting. Okay. What about the magic carpet ride? Ease on it. You'd love this. I love it too because he is on it because sometimes it goes but magic carpet, rides are finite. They have what you say. He will be a bust. He'll be above. The city will be a bust. I'm saying, Kansas City will fall back to earth with a thud from that magic carpet because its way up there right now out in all sudden you realize what a second. We're just riding a carpet way up here in the air. And then even the engine on all sudden they, they say, wait a minute. We're playing at Foxboro long after he space shuttle. Is he better? Hopefully we'll have to see how far that carpet goes. I do like that. I think that came from you. We're switching it up because you know who's busy on social media. This guy, I know whose busier Dez Bryant. He's back on Twitter and he is not happy with Shannon over a change where we go tell you. And staying in the NFC two and three Cowboys have been struggling on offense. And a lot of the focus has been on their lack of a number one receiver. Jerry Jones said yesterday that the Cowboys have not had a number one receiver for several years, which seemed to be a shot at Dez Bryant. Jerry added that Dez has never been in the elite category like deandre Hopkins Jones. Well, does actually agreed with Jerry on Twitter saying as a receiver playing for the Dallas Cowboys your mind has to be right because you will never see targets like abo BJ and deandre Hopkins. None of those guys. I was never schemed in things. I made things happened throughout my career. I Mr. seventy three. They had Jason win as our number one. So Jerry is right then was not happy with Shannon's tweet. The does looks thirsty for his comments about the Cowboys Dez tweeted, I reply back. I looked thirsty, tell me how I get it. It's okay for y'all to say what y'all want. And expect us players not to say anything back, even if it's positive, negative, or simply the truth, create whatever narrative you like. I don't give a bleep. Let's make that clear busy guy on Twitter, Shannon, what is your take on? Does comments skew war going to be like, do vol. I will be going back and forward you suckers. Here I am going back and forth because dads keep dragging me in this. I tweeted afterward. Jerry said, we touched on a little bit yesterday. Jerry on his radio show saying we haven't had a number one receiver. Yeah. In several years. I tweeted said, I don't really know what else dads need to hear. From Jerry Jones to let him know. They moved on him eight days ago. Someone tweeted day is who you sign with Dez. Bryant are rather be Tyler's cowboy bay released you. We're not in salary or restructure would not a pay, decrease. They flat out released you a week ago, Jerry Jones the as Jerry with the situation because the receivers, but whatever they don't think they're getting open garrisons. No, we've moved on. He's posting themes. He and Phil and blue shorts, silver top, and blue short come on, and I bet you look thirsty, and you do. Gary has moved on. We hadn't had a number of receiver and first of all, Jerry, if you don't think that was a lead like the dre Hawkins AB what you pay like he was getting fourteen me what they don't understand here. Last year Dan was twelve and targets. He was twenty time for twenty four catches twenty six in yards of the seventy two qualifying receivers, dance, finished sixty field and catch percentage. Dan had two hundred and thirty two targets hundred and thirty two and led Dallas by far go ahead. Yep. See dads trying to absolve himself this plane and he says, he's Mr. seventy three. You also missed the number one two days as in one play out victory. If you won't. Joe story told tell at all. We got robbed out of why he won. What do you know what? Only resume? Maybe they could put an aspirin by then he was robbed over another playoff big. But in the meantime, with on there is one, he's missed the number one as in one playoff win that's on his resume, but has got to stop this skip. I would rather be Dallas Cowboys Kip. They released. You moved on when the Broncos released me, and then I got released by the ravens two years later, I wasn't calling them. They raise that to me. Would I be interested in return? Sure. I wasn't. There was no social media, but I wouldn't take a picture with AVI and hell. I like to thank our than our good friends. One of the first guys that I wanted to me when I got to the NFL come home, you making. And a half tank days. Mother teams pay to Dallas Cowboys tank. Yeah, really. I never. Hashtag. That's why big engaged me. They love David. What he's saying, o j shop. That's my gosh, shea Sean doing that to get me. It worked too. I don't know if you know what I mean. But if you get that word, what did you come up? Which. Which. Term the term that we use our community signifies somebody, you know. Do you? Will you posted them pigeons, which shirt off relook at real thirsty thirsty for what they'll worry about you would you go to urban dictionary look term thirsty? You got it from when your Twitter followers. Right. He learned a lab and your hours you engaged because you learn. Oh, that's a good idea. Maybe I'll use that on undisputed. You gotta go, you gotta go get out scale. You know you to be in heavy and you need to be confident in your own thoughts scale. What do you think? Are you words come from? I don't know exactly them up, create them, coin them, some of them I do do some of them come from other ping that we use. Hollow out of words that you you, you created the high, create all these you. You didn't create create somebody else you using right every word. Exactly. Now I'm worried about you calling him thirsty posted us, stuff. You see, he'll let you hear. I'm thirsty because I get dehydrated because I run. If I didn't run so much you, then you'd see some pictures. Thank you and I have different definitions of thirsty. Okay. So by the way, Dez in his response, he type owed and said, I look thirty. He didn't put the asset. He does look thirty. Looks every bit at thirty right? Because his body got beat up. So this is my big picture. Take away from all this. Dez Bryant is turning into one of the saddest stories I've ever watched unfold in the National Football League, and I go back aways covering the National Football League and obviously we're not talking about some life threatening disease that he has tragedy. He has suffered, but it's a football tragedy. What has happened to him because in twenty fourteen he was it. He was the guy I was. Old show. I'm just throwing up the x. every day because that was a year I can argue it was the best year. Any receiver had that year? You are Mike. He's first team all pro all pro, and he did get robbed at Green Bay in that playoff game. But that's we'll leave that be. But the point is he was on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine that's hard to do. You have crossed over in demographic into the world. Now everybody wants to know about Dez in Dallas and off that he gets his deal. He gets five years, seventy million dollars forty three point, five guaranteed. God bless them for that because he did get his money. Yeah, and he gets to he he gets to keep that money. I'm pretty sure he's okay. Money-wise, I'm gonna hope he is. I hope he didn't wander that. But the point is that was kind of the beginning of the end of him because the next year he was just beat up all your loan, the Jones fracture. And then this happened and that happened and he's his body started to betray him as most guys body starts right, Trey, and he was a possession receiver. So we took a lot of shots. He didn't protect himself. It wasn't like he caught a slant and got down, you know, he's. He's going to take some collisions and then he only played nine games at twenty fifteen, but twenty sixteen just to put Jerry back in his place. A little bit does did make the Pro Bowl in twenty sixteen. I'm not saying he had a great year with that, but but he had a pretty good one. He managed to play thirteen games and then in that playoff game against Aaron Rodgers, the one that they that Mason crossbar stole from them desk caught nine balls for a hundred and thirty two yards in two touchdowns in that game. Is that a number one receiver side that is so so again, if you wanna just go back to last year. He was a disaster last year in to your point by far the most targets on the team. You said the twelfth. Most targets in the league will don't tweet. You were schemed out of things because you weren't how many times last you just cringe. I couldn't even watch because Dak drop back and look for the single covered eight. I'll throw it to eight eight eight and you're thrown down a dry. Well, that's what you're doing because he led the league and drops last year, so they definitely didn't have a number. Receiver last year body has broken down and each own Jason Witten basically trying to shave jas wit. So yeah, you didn't have a number one. 'cause Jason with you. Number one now brought. Don't do that. That was you because this is what happens if you're not fundamentally a technically sound at running the route Trie. What happens when you start to get Nick start to get older. I agree you get guys like laugh, Gerald, technically sound. They can move from outside the numbers to inside the numbers and not miss a beat. Yeah. So he's bragging boasting on Twitter was Dez Bryant yesterday about being Mr. seventy three. That means that he broke Bob Hayes, all-time Dallas cowboy touchdown record with seventy three of his own. Okay way to go Dez. But if you're Mr. seventy three, you are living in the past you're clean to what was so is that going to be your epitaph in Dallas him Bob Hayes. With team that per say before he would go because he came with five. So we've got, he simply just changed the way people played football. He got him out of that old man coverage because you just run by everybody. He leads saves the game. He was an Olympic sprinter. No, not if the threat he wanted to go. But he had world class speed. If you look at the receiver that we think of a great appear, he'll urban, they got someone, they resume skill. They might not have the most touchdowns. Hoopoe they got rings, they got out. So you want to know what you play, but you plan for you plan for them trophies. Good question down. They, you know how they do it now, but they used to play trophy. Yeah, that's a good question. I'm not sure what they're what they used to play for like a Mike Tomlin toll Willie Parker that he needed to get his carries trying to win the roughing, rushing down by housing, Russian title, trophies up here. I'll see Lombardi's out on see no trophy. I don't even know what they gotta trophy immig. He's all time lead Russia in that building. Is there Mr. Seventy-three trophy in the foyer of their facility? I don't think you know what that's dome Jerry say we had had a number one and he has never been and then Tonio Brown or de'andre Hopkins, man that hurt skip Bayless and that hurt him from telling you skip the reason why people get. So especially the players because see they use that to get you get when you play skip what you know. They have place you on a union played. He can't say what you do. It's killing things because not come the credibility. Yeah, and they know what the hell I'm talking about. So that bothers him. Yeah. And he still sitting on his couch without a job that is sad, but that meant shocked. That's how skilled because what we we call you and I talked about it. We somehow influence the general manager like care what they do in Asia. We do in our job as if we created out false narrative. When I think we just created what happened with the same thing will McClay say the same thing, even Jerry says the same thing other that that played the game in play the position they the same thing. And the tation is still on the table joining. It is speakers piece because that will help answer some of that invitation. We drop last couple tweet as thirsty over here. Look that up for keep saying, I'm thirsty. I don't know. I'm. Go back to the link. We'll breakout star this season. You want to explain to discuss that. Lonzo ball is expected to come off the bench and play with his new teammate LeBron for the first time tonight against the warriors in Vegas, Lonzo is coming off surgery for a torn meniscus. This offseason yesterday LeBron was asked about Lonzo status. Let's hear from him. Pretty good. I mean, I told you guys. He's been on the floor like he had anything done with his knee all season. All right. Rob Parker is joining us this morning being here. Chapin a good. We already got a rob alert alert. Okay. Rob, your first one you expect from lawns of this year? Very little. Here's knocking little, but here's the thing, the bronze, you can't even tell right. He looks great. What can't? How can we come off the bench? Then if he if he's fine and he can play LeBron says, you can't tell, why isn't he in the starting? He was Magic. Johnson told all of us, he was going to be the face of the franchise. Your Giorgis going to hang up there with mine, all of reams shot Jan. He wins the draw. He went from that to in Greenwich. I'm not injuries injuries and I get, but the expectations are just so low. Now anything he does people will be happy with. But the bottom line is if he's ok LeBron said he is he should be the starting point guard on this team, not Rondo. This is not the playoffs or later on. Why. Isn't he playing with LeBron James from day one? If he's the face of the franchise in four years from now he works. I know he was not anymore, and here's the other thing the they don't. They don't even need a point guard. That's the, that's the thing about it. When you think about what they got going abroad, James handles the basketball most of the time, correct? Yeah. Okay. So so LeBron James as a facilitator and sets up his teammates, then you have Rondo and don't forget Ingram last year. Skip. When he took over the point guard, he played pretty well didn't he and handling basket Brenly? Well, what we thought that the last game right wing got thirty, you need the primary ball him. He can. He can do that. He liked him. So the only thing left to me for Lonzo is that he's got to be able to knock down three pointers when the ball comes to him, and he's not able to do that, and he's going to be rendered worthless. With this Laker team. That's true. So that's what he really shot. Thirty percent last year from three. He also has to work on free, throw shooting and taking a ball to the basket as well. Forty, five percent from the free throw line unacceptable for a guard to just for anybody. Anybody NBA can't shoot that has enter, can't shoot win Wallace s Ryan. Right. Chris Dodd Lee and so many other guys. So I'm not expecting much, but I think fans will embrace anything that he can give. 'cause I just think the expectations have been lowered so much for Lonzo ball, and people can say this to wurley to save the Boston all the other things that they want to come up with. But I'm gonna tell you he's not nearly what was advertised and the expectations that were way up here are now way down here. And now not only that what he got bench, you don't even hear his dad anymore. Do you hear. Not not yet. You don't know. You're not. Gonna just wait. You're not gonna wait, and I think the Lakers took care for me. I don't think the opportunity to be there for Lonzo to showcase what he can or can't do. This office is gonna be sitting around Brandon Ingram and LeBron James, they're going to be the two with Rondo. So you got three primary ball handler skip. So he's at best case scenario. He'd probably the fourth ball handler, and with that being said, he's probably going to be running with the second unit. So how did he get an opportunity to show running with the second unit? What he can't when he can't or cannot do? Yeah, that's going to be that. I just don't. I just don't see the opportunities there for him to to show what he can do it last year would have been a great time, but the injury had that nagging injuries, and then it ended up putting him down, ended up having to have surgery on that on that needed. He also had a bad shoulder for right one hundred ninety pounds, and he was getting knocked all over the floor. Go ahead and that's, that's the biggest thing. You know in college, you played thirty five forty games that's half the NBA season, and you play in basically every other night in the NBA against grown men and you're not the best player the UCLA hard for me to believe that he ever played against someone maybe Mark helpful, Kentucky had some guys that were maybe equal to if not better than he was almost on a nightly basis. He was the best player on the court. Well, that was never the case when he play last. So it's just I just don't see the opportunities for him in order. And you believe that he can be great, but you need opportunity. You do be great. I agree, and I just don't know what the broad q. Brandon Ingram because they LeBron say he got net talking about Brandon Ingram. Rondo is right now and LeBron loves him because of his Accu and he's battle-tested. So I just don't see tune into this get. So rob Parker made some great points that lead to some dead wrong conclusions, but you opened your okay, salvo was great because you're right. This whole situation is utterly baffling to me, it makes zero sense what they're about to do or not do with the number two overall pick in the draft because you don't need Rajon Rondo on this team because if lonzo's what I think he is, you can't stunt his growth for a year by just plain ten, twelve minutes at night. What is Rondo doing? Is he going to try to make the year look a little better than it should look with a bunch of kids and a bunch of cast-offs joining a great player in his sixteenth year. Is that what you're doing? Well, Rondo just make it a little better to have a little better window-dressing where the record be three games better than it would have been without Rhonda. Is that what you're trying to do to your point? Brandon Ingram is really good with the ball and San, but your best point of all. And I've said this from the start about one LeBron James, he is still the best passer in basketball, and he is still the best point guard in basketball. Nobody's close to him and you're right. When push comes to shove when they're in some Trump, he's gotta have the ball in his hands. He's got a niche. She ate the office. It's who he what he done because nobody can get teammates better shots than LeBron because he's six, nine. So we can see over the defense the way magic did. He can throw skip passes over the defense to open shooters on the far side, nobody does it any better than LeBron nobody can get to the rim better than LeBron which can create all kinds of opportunities for open shooters. So now you've got a logjam of four primary ball handler, one basketball, right? How are you going to do that? And the odd man out right now looks to me to be the number two guy. Number two overall pick and I don't, and it makes no sense from the standpoint of like. Like you said, a number two pick who LeBron just said, what do you say that he looks right, right. Wait a second. Not only did he say he said, let's not bury the lead to this story just today ago, believe it was an Instagram post. He caned him. He called Lonzo ball, young king, and trust me on this. I don't think that's phony baloney because rare game recognizes rare game Lonzo has some things you cannot coach teach that LeBron has the ability see it before it happens and pass the basketball. He's he's got the gift and he can also rebound the basketball at a high level. And he says he has gained not a few pounds. He says, he's gained twenty pounds. He looks like ninety two to ten, right? Look at hand. Not significant pounds heavier in basically what in three or four months. Okay. So again, this is pie in the sky, best of all worlds. But I was telling Shannon earlier, if Lonzo does get significant minutes running with LeBron Lonzo can rebound the basketball like crazy. He could average ten rebounds a game if you played him thirty five minutes a game. So let's just do the hypothetical. If he goes up and gets the ball off the backboard and LeBron gets out on the wing, nobody can pass it that are up court than Lonzo. It's like it's in his DNA. He loves that up court pass. If he gets LeBron in any kind of one on one or two on one at the other end of the court, it's over. It's nobody in this league can stop LeBron at six, nine to sixty with the full head of steam and get the basketball in an advantageous position. So they would be a great team together, but I don't seem plying. I've told Shannon this, what it looks yesterday lonzo's gonna play anywhere between ten and thirty minutes. Well, what? What does that mean in thirty? And I think that sort of sums up lonzo's upcoming year. He might play tin, but I don't know on a rare night he might. I think you're right, ten or not or fifteen minutes that hard for a player to getting any kind of rhythm. Not knowing play like no one more time Lonzo you said he wasn't as advertised while he wasn't given the chance after game number two to be as advertised because I'm gonna run mind you guys again, game number two. At Phoenix on a Friday night, I watched the whole game. Lonzo just went off. I know is just the Phoenix Suns, but he was judges said that he was just nineteen plane. A second NBA game rob. He took the game. Oh, I remember everybody. Nine. He had thirteen rebounds and nine assists. He almost had a triple double in the fourth quarter. They just couldn't stop him getting to the rim. I can't remember Shanna help me out. You might remember, I think was the Sacramento Kings. He also had a game where he missed, but ten or eleven three point. Guy off. Okay. Do you remember that. But right away it was Luke Walton right away, started yanking him mid first quarter as the starting point guard and not putting him back in until mid second quarter. You can't do that to a kid because you lose your rhythm and you lose your capability of leading the basketball team because they're like, you know, what would what would the perception be of Lonzo ball had his dad not been lavar ball and made all the bowl proclamations totally different. No kid is ever had a bigger target on his back than that kid. It was his dad to put the thing. We saw game one when. I mean after Beverly ends the game pointing lavar in the state. All right. But when he calls this come on, you know, because when you pick up a guy at the ninety, four ninety four from the basket. I mean, you don't do that in the NBA and s wasn't directing lavar, but this'll be interesting. I just don't understand how you go from face facing a franchise to you can't get on the court because Rondos played a long time and there's no discipline Mondo maybe do this will abroad wired. Maybe he'll soon be the face of another franchisee seriously, which. This is something chain LeBron. Got I agree. All right, rob, thank you as always for your insight. Skip us some new details on the side. Do you. So Beckham junior received a lot of criticism for his interview with low Wayne by aside when he called out ally and the coaching staff yesterday, Dell was asked about it and said, quote, we're moving forward, my teammates, my brothers, there's nothing that can come between us the giants even played away music practice yesterday, seemingly making fun of the situation skip. You actually had a conversation with Wayne last night about this whole situation. So what did you learn? What did he tell you? So Jimmy Chan. Wayne did call me yesterday and I'm not gonna characterize him as angry, but his pride was hurt, and he was confused and baffled by what he uses, the unfair criticism that he received for his role in the Odal interview. And he asked me to share his thoughts here on undisputed, his view of how the interview actually went down now before I proceed with those thoughts. I also spoke to Josina Anderson about how the interview went down. I want to be very clear about this. I respect her greatly. I respect the way she does her job in no way and my criticizing her for the way she did her job in this case. But here's Wayne side of the story. Wayne said, he did not agree to do this interview because Odell was involved. In fact, originally when he agreed to do the interview, the sit down with Josefina. He didn't even know Dell was involved. So they went to a restaurant that had been closed down. I think in the afternoon in Manhattan and he was surprised. Odell was there. And I sat down very quietly with Josefina and the opening line of questions all came to Wayne and they were all built around the album that is dropped to five, the lyrics, the new lyrics in the album, and it was all about according to Wayne, his life and times. And he told me he got very emotional in his answers, which he is very capable of getting. And he just spilled his guts about incidents in his life, the highs and the lows of his life to the point that he got tears in his eyes and had to take his glasses off during this interview, then the line of questioning changed to both him and l.. Because they're both from New Orleans. Obviously, ESPN had big game on Monday night in New Orleans in the questions were about what does home mean to each of you? And also they talked about their tattoos because Odell has a tattoo of Wayne on his next Bob Marley because Wayne to Odell is legendary. So then the questions turned to Dell and the giants and Odal spilled, as we know in Wayne believes that Adele got swept up in the emotional in an open hearted tone that Wayne had set early on in the view and number one, Wayne did not appreciate the criticism that that he was with there somehow to hold Odell hand in the interview or that he was just some hanger on Dell's entourage because Wayne doesn't need to be in Odell entourage, right? Stand alone. And number two, Wayne one or two point out very clearly that Odell in his view did not go there with an agenda to spill on the giants that he got caught up in the emotion of the moment and was very open hearted and honest in his answers to Joe CENA's. Very good questions. And that it came across like he was spilling. And yet Josefina points out that that ESPN did use some of the Wayne interview along with Dell in an earlier piece that aired for about six minutes long which TV is a long piece earlier in Sunday NFL countdown on ESPN before the Odal bombshell interviewed aired a little later countdown. Okay. So she said we did use some of Wayne and she also concluded with me when I spoke to her this morning that she would she hopes to use a majority of the Wayne interview in something she's going to post on YouTube. But when Wayne walked out of the interview with Dell, they were a little baffled by what the tone of the interview us, because they weren't sure where it was all headed and Wayne wasn't even sure in the end. It was for ESPN because obviously ESPN doesn't have the kind of platform show that Wayne would be talking about his life and times on. So it was just all little confusing and. Wayne felt like most people just saw the Odal bombshell interview with Wayne just sitting alongside and it made Wayne look a little silly, right? That very thing scale. A lot of people ask me like, why would Joe seeing doing what he does ESPN and of you, which there would be no problem. Why would little Wayne. So that was the night I got. I thought that to be that as it me at the end of the day in the low Wayne deserves every right to defend his credibility at the end of the day, Odell still say what he said. He said it and by the way he stood by every word of it. I haven't heard any for him to say, why got my brothers back? You have allies back through Monday the buzz. Okay. You have pets Sharma's back because you we're getting out scheme. They don't ski me teams outstanding with you. I'm with you. All right. I'm trying to figure out what what do you mean that you have your brothers back? You just threw them under the book and now you because you catch in criticism and the blowback because patch Sharma made it abundantly clear. He made it crystal-clear. He did not agree with anything that he said. He's let me be perfectly clear with this. You asked me earlier Moby. I'm going to be done within, but I do not agree with what he's saying. Okay. So I get little Wainwright defend yourself. If you, if you don't feel you portray. Trade, any positive light. If you don't feel you protrayed in the mandate which you went in there to do this interview, you have every right, and I think you said says he's gonna a drift father, maybe on his own. She's going to post the the Wayne part of the interview, ROY Moore bit on YouTube, right? I don't get why they're tacking little Wayne. I mean, even if he was there, I mean what they got to have a grown man. Okay. He didn't need Wayne to hold Ryan and Wayne didn't go there to hold his hand Odio fan what he said. So have you like to bring up when they were in pairs, whereas low Wayne then okay, fair. When he traveled with Drake, where Llewellyn then. Okay. So now all of a sudden down, speak something and. Giants blows up in his face nine little Wayne's. Okay, so where with on that, but when it went to Miami scale, whenever getting rich should have been prepared for game in Green Bay on the boat way, he was probably asleep and Mike. Oh, up all night. Interesting. Interesting. Other time when ode l. is being Dale downfall. If they'll fall. Away shows now that's a little ways. Okay. But is it fair. For Wayne to suggest that Odell and I'm not trying to give him a pass here, but he did get swept up in the emotion of the moment in this interview. Did that make him more pliable more susceptible to spilling remember what happened to him on the field. But I thought we'd beyond that remember that Josh Norman, he got caught up in the moment. I thought he was beyond that NAS giving. He had grown. He would read it to be a leader. He was ready to be that guy and guess what he he getting swept up in the moment. So how can you ever be if you're going to get caught up in a moment's get. Okay, because you gotta take a motion. You gotta take moments out of it. You can't get carried away like that. No matter who's there. I'm just speaking solely as an athlete. You must understand giving the setting and giving what you're talking about. You're going to carry more weight even though little weight on a bigger name, but when you sport neon owed you talking about now. Lil Wayne had something about babe. If he said something about drink, or he says, Nicki Menaj will complex, but one of these hip hop on Rome with Asher, but there's something about the giants e manning, guess what? If road with that right. I would too. So let's not absolve. Oh, no, we're not absolving him. But in Wayne's you his quotes to Josina at least as powerful as Dell's in his own realm. They were personal about Wayne, but he thought, wow, mine were bombshell too, but I'm being characterized as I'm just along for the ride here. Here's the thing though. Skip me criticizing a hip hop artist is one thing. Another hip hop artist, criticizing hip hop artists is something entirely different. La- Wayne, criticizing the giants or maybe Lau Pat Shurmur. That's. That's okay. Yeah. Did you hear what little Wayne said about the giants, but not guys in the building. No, that's that's what made these inflammatory. That's why it was so powerful. So Jenny taps, you have conducted many interviews of your own. What is your view of all of this? Well, I think it's a good point that you make about Joe seeing because I don't know her personally, but I respect her work, and I think she does a really good job and stories, and she asks very good question does. I don't believe that she would have gone into this interview without laying out the expectations and the goal of where these stories would go. And that's the part I'm questioning. Did ode l. not realize that his words would be used for ESPN did? Did he not realize that this was something he can't say, whatever he wants in forget he's talking to a reporter. Exactly. I mean, this isn't just a conversation with your friend Wayne, you're right, and that's on him. I think she did her job the. I also questioned the giant said they didn't know about the that worries me because that may affect Josina moving forward. And those are. Point, very careful lines that I an, I'm, you know, I haven't been in it probably as long as her, but I'm almost maybe too cautious of that because if you ever having these conversations, those relationships with your team are everything will only obviously there was no giant Representative NPR guy on the scene on this just to make sure it went right of normally what happens is that okay, Shannon wanted to interview, then you like, okay, when and where they're going to be at the Priscilla or they're going to be at my locate at my home. He's going to be at a different location. They normally map out all of those things. Well, obviously, Selena has have relationship with a lot of players. She knows she might have went straight to Dale ODA. Okay. You do this interview if obviously way he had to go through, maybe he has waned information. However, it went straight away. Right? So just seen said she also talked to Wayne last night, so they, they got a great. Yeah, so so maybe you'll see did not talk to the giants. May she went straight to. Odell because she has a relationship with Dale because a lot of times give sources you got guys that you call them. I have had you guys go, I don't go through the man. Can you get this message such something? Yeah, I just called a guy that rightly so maybe that's what you'll see the did, but I hope she didn't do that because it's going to hurt her relationship with the giants because all Dell is not the only one that you're gonna wanna talk to. This ally, the coaches, there's also other people, and that hurts that hurts your chances of getting the information that team. But Odell is the guy reach out to you because it is nice to hear the full story behind an interview like that. And I hope we do hear what he said because I'm yelling for. For. It's an honor to express his opinions and the bottom line was he was just shook up by all this because he didn't think it was fair to him. Right. So now you know his side of the story. All right. I'm glad we have it. Moving on. Switching gears back to college. Football has to Arnie run away with the Heisman Trophy like saying, oh, t. Alabama is averaging an incredible fifty six points per game and they've yet to be challenged this season. So it's no surprise that their quarterback to thong vilo is a huge favourite to win the Heisman Trophy right now to has eighteen touchdown, passes with zero interceptions for the crimson tide is followed by state quarterback twain Haskins west Virginia's quarterback will Greer and Oklahoma quarterback Kyle Murray Murray has been great this year, but his odds did take a bit of a hit after losing to Texas on Saturday. We are now joined by Joel Klatt. I hang with you guys the week, hang Joel on the weekend. So I hear about this time, but in your opinion, is the Heisman race already over? No, no, no. I mean as as great as to has been, it's not anywhere close to over because there's so much football in front of everybody. And there's there's so many things that can happen, and I'm going to start with the fact that. I'm going to have a hard time as great as to it is I still come down to this fact, would Alabama be any different without to. Maybe physically they wouldn't quite average as many points, Shannon, right? Like maybe there'd be in the forty range and not the fifty four fifty two range. Maybe they'd being the thirty five Ray. I'll give come down. But there's still be undefeated Jalen hurts. This would be a team that would still be ranked number one. Again, I don't wanna take anything away from to a, but there's some other performances going on out there that are equally incredible what Haskins is doing to fourth quarter comebacks for state against ranked teams. One of them on the road, one of them in a basically a road neutral site. And in fourth quarters, this year seventy six percent four touchdowns with a rating of two twenty five. That's pretty incredible. In the biggest moments on the biggest stages undefeated with West Virginia. He's got three plus touchdowns in every single game that he has played. And right now that teams likely going to be seven. And when they go to Austin, Texas with big stages down the stretch, including games with Texas, like engine and Oklahoma, my fear for two Shannon is that he's sitting there with a baseball cap every fourth quarter. Can you win the Heisman Trophy in a baseball hat? And I don't know if you can. This is again, this is not quite berry Sanders numbers of nine hundred eighty eight where you're just blown away the NCAA record books. He's. Great football. But at some point, he's going to need some competition in order to have the stages necessary to win the Heisman Trophy. But you gotta understand bear with putting the big number than they steal with losing. So he was playing into the fourth quarter. Employs hair with the narrative. We've never seen a Nick Sabin guy play like this. That's your look at coach saving at Michigan state. You look at him at LSU. You look at him in Alabama in the twelve, they won twelve national championship that Alabama. We've never seen an offense like this. This guy tour has only has thrown one of you a path in four of six seconds. So put out, I'm gonna give you love the term context. I love my love context. I'm gonna give you some context last year. Baker Mayfield threw his first interception in game six. He was seventeen down to one in the fashion in sixty more. Passes the tour. Two with eighteen. Oh, St.. Did his homework on grass. I would do this why he gonna win it. He has seven touchdowns than incompletions. Has has ninety seven more pass teams in only seven motel. What do it is hear the clubhouse with thirty five zero picks at the end of the year how you give it to him average game. So it's over doesn't ever get injury. Lovie eight. Like you saying that the Olympic he looking back here. Really that way to do it right now. Care wreck your microphone north good to this day. He's ain't paintball right now. So my researcher told me Tyler, I don't know. I don't follow college football very closely, so. Oh, no. This column or you guys got some. Actually didn't tell me this because I just knew this combine records Valla bama's opponent so far. And I'm going to throw in Missouri which is upcoming this Saturday, nineteen and twenty one are the combined records of these opponents. It's a joke who they played so far and to is Heisman candidacy is a joke so far. Nobody except maybe a semi credible AM at foreign to, but they started with Louisville who's two and four. Then they played Arkansas state three and three having lost Georgia Southern and apps St George, good. They're real good. Then all miss is foreign to and they lost LSU forty five to sixteen the same LSU that just lost Florida. By the way, MRs Beeton southern Illinois can't state and Louisiana Monroe. That's impressive. Am again foreign to semi credible in the Louisiana raging Cajun's. They're two and three, Alabama actually played this team and they lost to to coastal. Carolina, the ragent lose really. Okay. So that's a team to torch. And then last Saturday, Arkansas has now lost five straight games to fall to one and five, and they have lost the Arkansas Razorbacks to Colorado state and North Texas. You impressed by that because I'm not and Missouri at home got annihilated by Georgia. So drew lock. I watched the whole game just to see about as pro potential pretty dicey on then. I'm not really seeing it and then they lost the South Carolina. So who are they gonna play at LSU. Is that credible as you over gonna play Georgia in the SEC championship game? Here's, I don't think to gonna play in the fourth quarter against LSU is not going to score in Alabama. And I read yesterday and ESPN dot com. Mel kiper in Todd mcshay raving about the best pro's pro, excuse me. Pro prospect at running back in college. Football is who. Guess it's the guy at Alabama as you say, which guy at all. We got, we got the house said, he's Mel said he's got a phenomenal pro future ahead of because he runs so hard and so smart, I'm I'm buying yourself schedule and now who guy then your guy, we'll collar. Murray degree of difficulty is off the charts. It's five times harder than what is face. Did you see collar Murray? I tweeted early in the game. This game is going to boil down to Cuyler Murray having to overcome Mike stoops. You can look at my time line. I tweeted in the first quarter and the final score was forty eight to forty five, which got Mike stoops fire. Finally on five years about little white. I'm not finished floors mine because in the fourth quarter, they're down twenty one. And what happened because you two are right there. You're sitting in the stands half the time. It was great to begin Murray. Put on the show of shows in the fourth quarter and had a sixty seven yard run. That could have been his Heisman moment because that's high. Heisman could've. However, he did throw a terrible intercession. Ground slipped up saying, here's what asked what he was outplayed in the game at the position by Sam etlinger. All right, but he's. With the road junior, I don't disagree with you, but that's a tough deal. Again, if you're going to argue that Greer or Haskins or Levinsky Chenault from Colorado, potentially, we've got your school in their listen. Levinsky Chenault is leading the country in receptions, he's leading the country evil. They're also undefeated. You're talking about all these teams that are undefeated their their best players in a better position calamari Cuyler -'s amazing. But you can't be a guy that in your biggest game of the season, what happens? It is best quarterbacks, forty, five. What happened to Tom Brady and the Super Bowl. He threw all time playoff record, five hundred and five yards. But he did get a little careless in the end and just boom and the ball by Brandon. Graham gets not doubt of his hands because you're trying to wait for somebody to come open because you know you're gonna have to score forty one to win the what would happen if you know you defense doesn't have that date. The one thing you can't do. Okay. Okay, but you're going to try things. You might not try if you were head by two. That's the thing is he didn't need to when they were just playing offense. They were good enough right on Saturday and those forced heirs unforced airs. I should say he was mentally got Oklahoma beat spectacular. No, Mike stoops. Got him be that was horrendous. Ethan, that's the word of Aveling long game I've ever played. Great, thank you. I don't disagree. Listen their last two losses as a program. They've scored forty eight and forty five points and their their championship window is certainly open. They're gonna make a move at coordinator, but Mike stoops doesn't win the Heisman Trophy for Cuyler Murray. Just getting lizard. Have a lot of barriers to entry doesn't mean that you're gonna win the trophy in particular when there's performances like to putting out Dwayne Haskins with his twenty five touchdowns right now. I mean, that's that's an argument. Second QBR all of college football who does the best down intercession ratio in college football, the most helped in college, not even close to Joe? No, no. Maybe that the SEC he's got the best run back as well as the best one conferences the most players to the NFL year after year here. And I would argue that Keiler right now has the most help from play collar has the most help from system not a system that he's taken to the next level. He's doing a sensually what Baker maybe a little bit less what quarterback to doing in Alabama. What quarterback name? Coker macaroni weaker scheduled in this. Their opponents are ninety. Eight point on the schedule. Got a great. Everybody said that area. They don't play anybody throughout this Shannon, the rage in caging. Okay, stay. They say, they argue Joel Alabama, the plane thing, but every year the confetti rains down on on certainly have the easiest path, right? I mean, they've. The least barriers to entry to go to the playoff. Should be ashamed of this. I will be saying to get that trophy third time and they have the Heisman, we're, let's if you don't get injured by way. Okay. I I don't know. I just don't think he's going to have the stages. I really don't as great as he is think about it. Haskins is going to have the TCU game fourth quarter, the fourth quarter of Penn State. He's going to have a game against Michigan. Wilburs got games at Texas against Oklahoma at home, potentially big, twelve wins to gonna play a fourth quarter. Maybe the SEC champion 'having we still got that narrative. It's not over, but Keiler is not came out the bit. Everybody remember that moment. You remember that moment skill. Gives them car Giffen. You came off the bench. He was an and your point is, well, he came up the visit, the national championship game. We still ride that way a pulled hamstring. We ran that way a pull. What's it? Gonna throw even walk a. He came out the pan. Have we ever seen anything like that before? And I live. Who did that championship game? I saw Baker Mayfield do it for the Cleveland Browns job. You. You. Last thing here you can make the argument. The most important player to his team is wilder was Virginia. They wouldn't be anywhere close to where they're at without. No, he got a couple of really good receivers. Oh, caliber doesn't have any monkeys, Brown CD lamb or just just God. Judge Judy. Judge Judy can fly. That's why we love college football Joel. Thank you. All right guys will the chiefs say undefeated in Foxborough on Monday night, we'll discuss. Right? Patriots are a three and a half point favorite at home for Sunday night showdown against the undefeated chief's New England is three and two, and they've scored thirty eight points in back to back home wins on the other side. Patrick Mahomes leads the league with fourteen touchdown passes for the chiefs, and they're coming off a dominating win over Jacksonville. We are joined by Super Bowl champ former patriot Brian Cox. Thank you for joining us this morning. Big aim Sunday. What do you expect expert hus- going game. Whoever has the ball last has an opportunity win, but I think the Kansas City Chiefs coming away with the victory. Wow, wow. I don't like either the visits. Agree with you, I think is going to be high scoring, but I don't believe that Tom radio will make them stakes that Blake Bortles dead. I also believe that once they get inside the red zone, Blake Bortles turned the ball over Tom Brady's gonna get touchdowns. And so the question is know. We see them go head to head for a little while being and they outgun the Steelers, but can he go full quarter in New England head to head with Tom Brady because in order to beat them, they've only been Tom Brady has been to start a two thousand five. They've only been home. They only been home dog four times. So people, man, I'm surprised that New England favorite over Kansas stated that a number one power rank. I mean, number two power ranking behind the ramp. I'm not because as long as Tom Brady's there is long, it's called Bella checks. They're, they're probably going to be favored at home because we know that record is not skip it. Probably a little shot that the spray is not bigger things like giving money. So they go to keep that thing low and they want to try to get somebody as opposed to give the money away. But. This is going to be. I'm anxious to see Mahomes as we go along, you say on a magic carpet ride. I don't know if he's fourteen in too good specially in the second year starting. Yeah, but the patriots are different animal at home, and now that they have all their pieces off physically, they'll slowly integrate. Ajayi Gordon Gordon on the outside. Now that's gonna lessen the double teams on. You can't double team adamant. HOGAN goes back to his third. Third, maybe not even bore as Gordon comes along their different animal on the side of football. Sure on. So as much as I love Brian Cox's opinions on here, he was way up on the Green Bay Packers and and not high on the New England Patriots. And you continued to dig in on that because you think Kansas City is gonna win at New England. I saw a patriot team last Thursday night. I saw liftoff I saw Josh Gordon emerge as the next Randy moss. I'm not saying he's Randy moss, but he'll be as close to Randy moss. As Tom Brady as head since Randy moss and Tom was confident enough to throw him a jump ball in the end zone. And that was his five hundred touchdown pass. And it was the worst decision of the night for Brady because he just threw up for grabs into double coverage on those those two office back foot with Russia, right in his face in those two kids back back their third year guys, undrafted one guy. You said Jake outside. Again, one or both of them should have caught the ball at the same time in Josh Gordon did catch the ball. So all sudden Tom shown you starting to trust that kid, Josh Gordon again, played much football since twenty thirteen, but he has hall of fame capability. I'm not saying he's going to be in the hall of fame. He's got that kind of ability at six, three to twenty five. They got Elman back and obviously, no, nobody is trusted like Julian Edelman is and Tom Brady's is and then they get trae flowers back. He's best rusher and they got Patrick. Chung back is the quarterback of the secondary. And also it started to look like, oh, liftoff. I don't know about that. Indianapolis office did a really good job in the passing game against New England secondary. Now, I would agree that they're getting trae files back in. Some pass rush help, but to be I wanna I wanna take this a little different spot, Kansas City beat New England up last year season opened in Foxborough. This matchup is really good, Andy Reid, and I'm gonna give Eric b enemy, some love because for two years, everybody talked about Peterson, got him a head coaching job talked about Nagy. I have not heard anybody talk about being me. Now. The difference is Andy Reid giving be enemy a little help because he's taken over the quarterback position and help him with homes because that's not the enemy specially, but this office and this combo with these two guys would Andy Reid bringing Airbnb alone. They've done things a little differently than has been done before. Now. I would agree that the defendant Kansas City is is a been, but don't break style defense. They're going to give up a lot of yours. Bob sudden is really good coach. He coached me in New York, and when I left New York, he went with BreX Ryan and Rex Ryan got on that training. So they run that same kind of style defense. He's not as the rest of his Rex, but he'll get that defense, correct. I just think the Kansas City I didn't give many love in the preseason then talk about them, but their offense man is is if you were starting to franchise, you say, I won't that often, but the thing what concerns me is that when they beat him up last year, just the Houston, they beat Tom Brady and they had Eric berry. Eric berry basically took gronk one on one and he did a number on him. He won that one on one. What all the games. I remember that was the best job I've seen. One man do on in so Houston was able to the they, Tom Brady like four or five times that ballgame. And that's what you have to do. You have to get him outfit spas. If you do not pressure, Tom Brady unit, not get him out spot, you can't beat him because he'll pick your part and like he was doing. He was telling adamant, run, HOGAN, run the back line, Josh Gordon run up into staying nachos. Come back and then grow it to you, but it was still against the Indianapolis Colts. We know what they represent offensively, but I've still concerned about Kansas state is defense because they gave a five plus five bills plus to Blake Bortles. They Blake Bortles. Now it is. They also picked him off four times and forced to fumble in one of those interceptions was pick six one on through so low hit, hit, hit guard. Garden, helping the ball pops up in there and get picked up picked off an endle- skip, you know this at home, they know they struggle the last couple of years in September two in two, you know, they do things like that. By the patriots about fall apart fall into a poll or not falling apart. So you brought up Bob Sutton in? I have nothing, but great respect for him because he's got some Bella check in him, and he is. He is a savant on getting a decent, like bringing it to a boil, but they have allowed by far the most yards in the National Football League. So they've been in bend and been and a lot of times they break 'Second so far they just been breaking, but can he figure out ways to at least keep it close to keep it to a low roar? I don't know. I think he will. I think he'll surprise you got this defense last week kind of, although they gave up a lot of yours because they had a lead to Blake Bortles don't think they played poorly as people say they can give a points. And I think to me about him line is when you don't give points who cares about the audits, but here's the thing you think you think Tom Brady will make those same mistakes blade board of me due to the substance against Napoli. He did with his Utah. Now you told me that would that would that was Hogan's ball, and they were told me what I saw where they not all had Chris, HOGAN, rotten a hand, the ball, a Blake Bortles through they hit anybody. Again and Brady on his radio show was he was not a happy camper. We should've hung fifty two on the head had not had those to earn over. They would have got fifty two fourteen points. They basically to the board because any wasn't stopping. So I told you earlier and I'm gonna say it again. This might be the classic bell check game where he goes to Brady and says, I'm brother go to him. He just doesn't. They going to hand the ball to Sony, Michelle thirty times. They just might. They might handed Devlin a few times, just hammer the ball and try to keep that kid in the hangar on the sideline where he might have not gone to Brady, but even probably going to Josh mcdaniels saying, this is the game run the ball. Yeah, like a whole lot. So win time of disaster win game. I don't think it'll be that high scoring. Oh, yeah. Bobo team to be in the third teams. Defenses are not good. Putting the spotlight. Better than Kansas City, not by much. Yeah. Wow. You're down on those patriots. I. Just a different feel to this team. I know they've been able to score some points in Josh Gordon, but that should have been inception grunt was, you know, I know he's coming off the injury, but he was almost invisible in last week's game and then element dropped uncharacteristic. They're not the same and Tom Brady's deep ball doesn't look. The same really doesn't look like the fastball. It used to be lab. We say, you know, he was often little bit game. You say, now are we suggesting from across the table that that he showing his age won't play the forty five you will too for he will not. I'm on record. Discuss that topic tomorrow. I believe in pliability. You know what you believe in rule changes. That's what that's the one thing to help liability to be rings and I hit you side your head, forty, five. He looks better. Never to me. I don't know. What do I. Put on a show Sunday. Yeah, Mojo poodle show Brian. Thank you for. All right. And if you wanna bring up Brady, you're welcome back in time. Well, Abhran win the scoring title in his first season in LA. Neck. Expectations are very high for the Bron this year in LA, but he is not expected to win the scoring title vodka release their odds and Anthony Davis, and James harden are the favorites to win the scoring title. With LeBron third Shannon who will win the scoring title this season. Play than Mike dantonio style offense skipped. They were number one in scoring viciously last year, and here's the thing. He won the scoring title last year, the previous three years he finished second, I didn't know this James heart attempt ten three, the game and ten free throws the game. Way to go. Steve Owens. A hot night, less Shannon, zero credit. Hero credit for the staff. Think about this ten, three free throw. Like that. So let's just say for the sake of Barbara, he shoots thirty five percents. So he's gonna make at least three and a half with three. He's gonna make eighty eighty eight or ten with free, throw seventeen four. Now, what about the layoffs that he's going to get? You know, you'll get lay layup to drive to the basket with that that lefty. So he's gonna win. Understand LeBron gonna play a lot more. After the ball off the ball, he'll get more opportunities, but James hard hard and I got jailing I got LeBron James and I don't think it's even going to be close and I think he'll win the scoring title and I believe he'll win. MVP win. AB IDs. Cast-offs LeBron James, they'll finished seventh or so and he'll win the the narrative will be. Can you believe Al LeBron's lifted these kids in castle of fear? Wow, war seventh and I got him winning the scoring title because you are missing the new x. factor in Houston. Remember that guy Carmelo he's not mellow anymore. He's just karma or he's Anthony Wright. What did he do to. Russell Westbrook Russell two years ago average thirty two points again. Now what happened to Russell last year with mellow? What happened mellow coming up, the be. The bent spot. I don't think so. I think three's going to make sure that mellow gets his shots because he loves him mellow with three said the other day, it just tears him apart to watch the narrative on Carmelo. Meal part to watch him my own is that Carmelo Anthony is not what he was in Detroit, not Detroit and early New Year's ago. Russell Westbrook average thirty two game last year. It fell all the way to twenty five. That is a steep drop thirty to twenty five. Why was that Mr. shark because of Carmelo Anthony, he's gotta get up his shots and he got him up and he had Paul George also. But now you got three. He's gotta get some shots. I know he's the point guard, but he wouldn't be on there with mellow watch mellow. He'll get up his ten, twelve shots. Again, he just does. It's who he is. He's a score born and raised a score will make sure he will go out of his way to get mellow involved. And that means there's going to be a little bit of trouble in paradise in Houston because James will not get the shots that he got mellow is the all time. Again, I think he's a ball hog, but in a good way, he just he's going to about a lot of time. It wouldn't go in. Completely forgot about the day was probably win the other way, but he just keeps averaging twenty eight again today to live twenty eight twenty eight twenty eight LeBron will average thirty two game and he'll winning going away. Are you down your man? LeBron James down on him become I don't think it win the score and title who else is going to score. Yeah. Brandon Ingram get hit still young man. What about what about Lonzo us told me live somewhere between fifteen them in, say that not now Lonzo warning Guinea minutes. I'm not worried about. I'm wondering about it in its thirty. Oh thirty somewhere in there. So who else is going to score LeBron? Would you put on the show of shows Huby Showtime by himself at stay on the property attempt. Twelve free, throw this. Yeah, and eleven three because you remember Jim jerem Maury, say they won't fifty three's the game. They wanna get up many three. So somebody got shoot put those threes think apply at the fastest pace in the NBA this year. The Lakers will I told you from night number one, I presume came Ryan here. That's the most fun team to watch on offense and pro basketball because Lord knows they won't play any for. That's what you advocating. Oh, push it push. Okay. LeBron's going to get so many easy buckets in transition. He's gonna squall game. We make, you know what? They're not easy. We just make it look easy. That's the thing about greatness. I know LeBron watches us and you just lit that bridge on fire because you didn't have any faith in him winning scoring time. Got him winning MVP committed year. We got to win in the NBA title do. That's what's most important. The need to help you. You're not going to need the AD and New Orleans. You're gonna need the Katie from the north. I'm thinking about Katie going crib Hanes prediction. Correct. Naty goes to the next. He wasn't predicting that he said, he's just that's a possible like it like that possibility you do. So if we don't get him, let him go to New York, put him in and then we get a okay, you know, give eighty will not put you over the top. Not good enough. No. Sorry. Let me play like that. He is good at he's great twenty-five. Keep believe he has no faith in LeBron to win this. Title horn care only the everybody cares. No, because Omar majority underscoring down ten time LeBron is about score LeBron we do other things like not play defense, assistive all rebounding the ball, lock shots. It's gonna lead. On a silver platter, right ear news conversation is over being says, hey, we're gonna see LeBron Lonzo tonight. Are they take down the warriors. No mercy. Time for final topic of the day. The Lakers warriors face off tonight in Vegas for a preseason game with plenty of storylines fans. We'll get to see Lonzo play with LeBron for the first time this season, Shannon, what do you expect tonight? I'm not expected to big Netscape. I think you'll be rusty. He hadn't played really an extended period of time. Nothing gets you in shape like playing basketball and being on the Versace climb around the station. Everybody is not the same thing as running up and down the court in actual actual game. So I think you'll be a little rusty in that aspect. I'm look anxious to see how he actually plays with LeBron 'cause I don't really know what his role gonna be. If you're going to be a spot up Huber, he'll be a knockdown shooter. You're gonna shoot threes out. So I really don't know what to expect, but Jake women mar, I give you my, you know, my expert analysis unobjective analysis about LeBron LA Shannon would do that. So what I see is state is favored by only four and a half in this game, and I will bet you the Lakers. We'll take. This game whole lot more seriously than Golden State will. And I believe the Lakers will win this game in Las Vegas, and I think Lonzo play twenty minutes, and I think you'll play very well, and I'm going to predict that he makes to threes, I'll say, makes two out of five threes and he distributes the ball and he just plays the way Lonzo plays. But I think he in LeBron will be a good. Do I think they'll be good connection report you gotta see, you gotta see what they look like at some point in time. It's hard for me to imagine them not being on the court at the same time. True. So you might as well as to preseason put them out there. Let's see what he got. Obviously, knowing that he will be a little rough to consider. He hadn't played an extended period of time. So I see that new shot. That's what I really want. Remember that. Let's see. On like that. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. See you then. Why. Of of.

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Lonzo Ball

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Lonzo Ball

"Welcome in to another edition of the Word Pot here Miami with Pelicans Point Guard. A lot of ball are used to hearing that yet pelicans point guard now really I want to hear it for the first time and I gang but got a nice ring to Lonzo the this time of the year. We're recording this. You know a couple of days here before the start training camp we're in Miami. You've got a place down here and your spend some time here before you go back to New Orleans to have media day start camp. Is your body started like you start to feel like your body Tony Tony. I'm like you have a clock in there. That knows it's time to start playing like you're building up through the summer. Do you feel that going in your third year that like you just your your body reacts to the timing of this time of year for sure especially with me. Doing we have pretty much all summer trying to get right this training camp good to finally be able to get cleared you know beyond the court the last two weeks full-contact so I'm looking forward to it got to Miami for a couple of days just to get away for a little bit before you know long season starts the the open gyms you've been in New Orleans and got a practice silty there. That's been redone and you've got a real interesting. Mix Of you know obviously obviously Zion Williamson but some other rookies that are really interesting really talented. The veterans who were their gods like drew holiday who's all star level player and then the group of guys who came came from the Lakers and the trait you josh heart and you know that group coming in what is open gym like when you've got all these guys trying to get you know three first round picks. You got a few guys in the trade and then the returnees and then free agents. Jj Red comes in as a free the agent what's like the open gym like is all. These groups are starting to sort of get to know each other and figure out how you're GONNA be a team. That's exactly what it is much. You guys coming together from different parts of China Hanamaki team work. Click and open gem teams always mixed up but always ends up being competitive because everything you need in my opinion. You got the young guys you got the. That's a lot of talent. A lot of people like to work on when the trade happened and then Zion gets drafted. They normally pick they're gonNA Take Zion Williamson. The first thing everybody was talking about one of them was Lonzo Ball to Zion in transition. What has it been. I like playing with him so far and seeing kind of building a chemistry with him and seeing it at times you'll be able to place a two man game with him a little bit whether it's you know in the open court certainly or even a half court yeah. I mean he thrives in both honestly pick her and a half quarters amazingly him you can hit him on a short roll. You not the way for him to get away to the basket and he's much more than the dunker playmaker. I can give him the ball. He takes dribbles either. Take off or find a man in a corner and thrown on some folklore lobs. pretty much has got to play anywhere where the backboard uh-huh cancer and that's the thing with him and I think what has he's unlike anything. Most people have seen. There's never been a player exactly like him and I think it may be made it hard to new project him in some ways but the one thing constant they all talked about a duke and you saw it in the Games and they said it was in the practice was just his motor whatever he was on the floor and you know you'd see in college. He'd make up ground across court to close out block a shot. Do you see that in that open gym setting. I I feel like whenever he touches the court. instinct is just to play hard. I mean no matter what might not make every shot but he's always gonna go out there and give it his all no matter what the suddenness you talked about spending time rehabbing getting healthy injuries in your two years in a league anything different about how you've approached this offseason physically diet conditioning things that maybe help you know might help stave off injury this summer for me the biggest thing that's probably diet because I couldn't really run as far as condition. I couldn't do much other than like the bikers but I don't think die played a big role in it got itself you know on China may shocking lassos eighty two ditching what what was the pre Pelicans Diet like for you like early in the man regular food. I used to eat back and Chino Jack in the box in and out just regular stuff like that and then right you know New Orleans. That's always the threat like there's a lot of restaurants. Does it help. Do you think they have a chef in that city because you can go out and get off that you're out of telling me you know. Make sure you get a chef especially eh while he was telling me you know you can pick up quick tempered so coming into New Orleans with a big group that came as part of the trade the bond. That's there there with you. Guys who went through the trade talks for mostly a year before the Davis trade happened. Is there a unique bond with your group because you went through a lot and then you end up going to a new place to all start over together. Definitely I mean be I you know we had a big role back. La I be able to come over here with them. I was happy that you know he came with me. I know he's happy with him so I'm looking forward to it. We can do this year you and Brandon you know your games. There's a feeling both may really Alvin gentry system how you're going to play here and then more prominent certainly growing in your career having more prominent prominent roles that having him come here with you and having gone through all that it's probably feel different than if you just got traded by yourself to a new team team that you sort of walk in the gym with especially with Brandon for sure a Mamie be I've been together last two years help that were friends off the court as well so it's always nice when it gets shipped somewhere and then you've got somebody that you know comfortable with and the only thing we haven't played together at five on five only thing but I mean you know having him in Gem. I know no he's about you know that I'm about and we complement each other very well at what point in La Lonzo did it feel like to you. My my future probably isn't here. What was it once. The name of Anthony Davis asked for trade and those trade talks start. Did your group guys to say. Did you feel it was inevitable that it was inevitably. They were going to do this deal or you never quite sure whether it'd be there. It'd be somewhere else I mean. I never one hundred percent share. I had to fill in all star break. I feel like the injury kind of like did it for me like in her twice in a row and not being able to pretty much leads prove myself season you know the time like the playoffs and I couldn't help her so after that and then with the trade talks about I thought star break night a good feeling you know having grown up grown up in Chino Hills yet planet. UCLA getting drafted second overall by the Lakers. You know when that draft order under comes out when you're in college and you see okay. It's set up pretty well for me. Did it feel like this is a story. Book like this is like you know. I'm on my whole career in southern California when when you're that when you're coming out of. Ucla and magic is talking about. You're talking about Your Jersey being up in a in the rafters someday with greats there. Is that what it feels like at that age facilities like a like a dream. Come true kind of like movie. Honestly I mean it'd be able to stay the Home Depot career pretty every once you know just being comfortable in the city on my family's out there and got the best plan guard of all the time talking about it's GonNa put Your Jersey in Iraq author so I mean at that time I was like shocked that is all planned on the team last year and you you knew Lebron wanted Anthony Davis to get Anthony Davis. You have to trade good players and you gotta trade picks the tension that existed in the locker room. Do you think it was more like individual. Oh guys because everyone's GonNa handle that differently. There's very few guys at that age who've ever been told there's someone better than you or the whole thing's not built around you. It's it's jarring starring when you're young to be told there's going to be out. Somebody better did impact the guys who are in the talks as a group or did certain guys is take it differently like how did you handle that. I can't speak for everybody. I know as far as myself just being a kid from out there and knowing how Elliot always pretty much has a star anytime. You have a chance to get basically a tough guy illegal. You'll make that that's right so familiar. Just motivation like I. I WANNA be one year when nobody can touch me. I'm safe on that so for me. It was just you know it is what it is go to New Orleans restart fresh start and just have a bigger role. Honestly you know this week there was our draft analyst John Voting on Australia and saw your brother Lamelo mellow playing at a really high level there and you talk to NBA people and he's in the conversation not just to be a top five pick in the draft but but maybe compete for the number one overall spot when you look at the path he's taking now nontraditional right Lithuania Australia you went the most traditional path southern California star you go to. Ucla you get drafted. How different has it been for him and and as is an older brother you feel like you've maybe live Suu through some things. He has seen what you've gone through. We've all gone through a lot together. That might make it the path a little easier for him. You kind of cleared cleared the way a little bit on a lot of things whether it's going to be the kind of shoe deal he's going to do the kind of endorsements all those things things that you've had a fight through and get to and and maybe there's a clear lane for him to to walk through so as part of being big brother. You know I take all the steps eight to get where you need to go and show them the way to get there. I'm obviously it's a little different with the goals the same at the end and then it ended today you know he can pick them off the phone anytime you can call me he wants to be number one pick number two so. I know what it takes to get there. Basically I tell them. Just keep your head on straight. You know you're young. I don't don't have many followers as he had you know at that age but I kind of know is like to be in the spotlight all the time so anything I can do to help him always talked to you know make sure he's he's doing. We're supposed to be doing and as far as his path. I mean I didn't go overseas but not a play basketball. I know which is supposed to do you know when you're in between line so long as it keeps listening and duties. Do you have the talent when you look back he because he obviously didn't have couch eligibility. He couldn't have gone to play at. UCLA or duke wherever any choices you had you like that. You played that one year of college. Do you look at that and say or what have liked to have played in Australia at that. Aged is one path preferrable to the other. I think everybody's situation is different for him. He couldn't we felt if he went to college. He wasn't going Miller play so it was like he had no choice besides Australia China or something like that. I saw him actually when we was out here I talked to him or do you want to do in all this breaking it down so you only have so many options for me the option. Ma Sense was good at UCLA I felt like that pretty much at the two I needed to be so I think when you're two brothers went to Lithuania urine your rookie year and I mean they were young young. A young guys and your dad was there and it wasn't as if they were there alone but what was that like sort of seeing them go off and the concern you have because that's that's not the easiest place in the world at that age to be a kid grew up in southern California to be off. They're playing and having bring it all documented all the time like what what was that like watching from however many five thousand miles away who is going to be tough especially on a little one. He was like fifteen sixteen at the time. You know going over there. He's never been you know out of. USA So I know it's GonNa be tough for him. I wasn't too worried about Jello. He's older. You're not take care of yourself so I wasn't worried about him but I was very relieved to see that he had a chance to come back home and you know being kind of like a high school kid again inspire. You're he called me right. When he figured out he can come back and he was really happy. So I've had failed Lamelo will be able to negotiate you know a a big kind of a big traditional shoe deal right you know the Nikes adidases the brain drain all he's got something that a lot of the college players who come out don't having that's everybody knows who he is right and that helps a lot and like you said they knew who you were and you go to. Ucla and you make a deeper in the NCAA tournament and you get drafted by the Lakers as you were set up however you want to do a shoe deal but for him while his path is in his traditional said he's in Australia and other guys have been doing that. RJ's down down there now and there's been other guys who've who've done that is part of you that because of what you went through with big baller and doing cashew deal the way you did it. He's not going to have to deal with all of that stuff. You had to that that that's going to be a benefit for I mean he gets to go through the real expo the process. I mean when I was coming out. We were just working on my shoe. Big baller brand. That's what it was. I didn't take any meetings or anybody else and it was already kind of sad for me but for him. It's a long time like you know you'll have a chance to go talk to Adidas. Go Talk to Nike Puma. Everybody take every meeting and then whoever wants to most postman go down. I told him make sure he takes his career now. Don't wait like I did so I mean. Hopefully that helps him. He seems like he's taking it. All in. I'm excited for looking back. How would you have done it differently. You said him taking control of it now the way you hadn't looking back would you have gone and done. All those fissures shot one hundred percent. I mean that's that's part of it. You know and you work your whole life. You know to be able to even have a opportunity to be sponsored by shoe. Brand is is amazing south. I mean I'm not GonNa say I regret not take anything at the end of the day was in our family business and I was was doing what I could you know to try to boost it and it was actually pretty good when I was coming out of UCLA so I don't regret anything but as far as living life and learning you know I'm glad that I to help him and give him feedback on. What you know. Already weren't doing what I feel like. You know. It'd be a better. NFL would you look at. I'm sure you hear this from people. All the time and I'm I'm sure people who are trying to whether it was agents who are recruiting you that whoever saying Hey Lonzo like you're going to get a rookie shoe deal. That's unlike most because of your profile your talent you know the Lakers being picked. I'm sure you had an idea of those. Numbers might look like is is that the hard part of it is that was it that it cost you money in the end or was it that maybe you didn't get to career it all out and make a decision for yourself. Nike Adidas Whomever Verse Going Down the Big Ball right all about the money is more about just being in the process. I mean on out there running on out there playing so just had the option to pick what I WANNA. Do you know what I'm saying so for him. uh-huh said I want him to soak it all in and enjoy enjoy the process you talked about this and you went through it like you're trying to play as a rookie in the NBA with shoes shoes that are just really test tissues. They're not really they haven't been through the rigors that all the shoes go through and like you said like they would break or they weren't you could wear them for a little while and when you have to think of that time about you're just trying to like mostly you're just into the NBA and all the things that go with it but you gotta keep thinking about like what's going on like. Do I need to change this quarter at halftime. When you look back at it was that all bigger maybe a bigger burden within that needed to be or like you like that took took more to me than even it felt like then because it was something nobody else was having to deal with. I mean yeah it was different but at the same time I mean we're trying to build a brand and they were in my shoes so I had to wear them and there was no shoes. We had some relief. There was no way those are going to make it to the the NBA Cordeiro. Miller sees but you know grateful. We got to leak out with brand black and got me a better shoe but yeah I mean just just convert playing playing toby's my whole life so switch it up right. When I get pretty much less age. I was a little different from me and I don't make any excuses. I don't regret anything anything I did. The the lessons you learned going through this like trying to be the face of of business and trying to be a to me. There's a few positions in the all pro sports is like quarterback with the Dallas cowboys. Maybe like shortstop for the New York Yankees and I think one of them is point guard for the Lakers mm-hmm because of magic in the history to have to deal with all that and at the same time try to be the face of this brand where it's not going well trying to figure it out coming out on the other side of big baller like what do you think you learn the most about this business about cert- trying to take charge for yourself that you think you take the rest of the way with you. I miss a lot for nineteen year old. Kid You know coming out but I've been put a lot of I shoulder for a long time now on my family at least so I mean I I wasn't prepared for it but you know it's a lot to laugh especially being in. La La you know all they care about championships matter what so I know that growing up there and just watching the Lakers play my whole life so bill would not even make the playoffs and stuff because there was like. I never really been losing since I play basketball. I was the first year I had losing seasons so just try to get back that summer and come back and then I got hurt again so it's tough mentally you know just staying focused and kind of knowing that you're not going to be somewhere that you wanted to be that. You felt like you could help turn around but it is what it is. Everything happens for a reason and I feel that God put me and it was Asian now when you hear it from fans whether you're on the court or or you're out away from the arena like here the like hey you gonNa make the playoffs. Hey are you going to stay healthy that stuff. Would you get the big baller like hey I ordered them and they didn't come or did you have to hear like the business stuff too. When people would kind of players have to hear when they go anywhere I mean here and there I didn't get I didn't hear too much. I thought we got a lot of support. When I was coming out. lot of people just believing in the brain wanted to work because it was something different so I didn't get too many too many negative things about it. Honestly the you had on the I guess the most recent ball in the family show like there was that exchange with your dad that everyone kind of went viral and people keep talking about it because you've been on that the show's been part of your life and you've had your family dynamic play out in public and away most people don't I have to do with that conversation. You had is not unlike anybody talking a lot of different ways to their father their mother family except it was like cameras on it and you deal with it. You have to deal with different way. Did that one a couple of weeks ago feel like it. I don't know it. It got out there in a way that everybody was judging that conversation and what you know how you are what Your Dad said about your career was and the brand. Did that get reacted a two differently than almost anything else. You've done that show. Maybe yeah for sure I mean I think that was the most popular seeing on his show. It was everywhere aw life growing up you know he he has his ways. I have mine and we just got into it. I mean that's what fathers and sons do you know as time goes on at the end of the day. It's always love at the end you know. I know he loves me. I love him but it's not always going on. Everything and I want you hit set in one of recent every that you would talk to him. Maybe I talked as much since the trade and I I wonder if like you've said the big baller brand is for you. I think a little bit in your view mirror now going going forward and you know you changed agents and representation and you're with a new team do think maybe it gets easier because the role that your dad will play going forward is like azure father and maybe less as a business partner less as he was your coach for a longtime. You think that might make it easier. It's just it's just GONNA be more father son and maybe that simplifies some of those tensions that come out in a moment like that I mean like my dad's always been talking my whole life so I mean isn't that the difference to me. I think we'll makes it easier that I'm controlling. Everything now like you really can't tell me what to do. It is my life my career. You know I'm making all the decisions now. I chose to go see a you know so the thing mean becoming my own man is GonNa make it easier honestly. Where did it feel like for you. That's a decision. Didn't I'm GONNA make now. This is a route route. I'm taking was there. A moment was at the Ramona Shelburne done the story about Allen Foster's background who had been the business partner in big baller brandon think brought to us some things about his past that you had been aware of and there was money missing and I think your manager manager had come to you and said Hey we've got issues here and then that started the down the road but was that around the time reset. I gotta do this differently things. There was that whole situation went to brand and then my daughter. I feel like those two things kind of shaped me to what I am now. You know it's a lot different than the kid allies year so so between those two. I think that's what happening now. I what I know that moment of becoming a father and the impact of that of having a daughter how did that redirect. You're thinking when it came to your professional life. I'm just putting our I gotta do certain things. GotTa make sure her future is secure. Not Just my family now got her with me all the time so there's mega seriously as easy path possible you now on growing up and just doing everything. She wants to put him onto so I'm trying to put her in a position to do that. Meaning more to make sure that financially you're responsible is part of the thought my responsibility is her financially and and setting things up and more so than being in business with the rest of my dad but the rest of my family is is that sort of thinking of of just financially actually protecting yourself a sewer. I mean you want to grow up with no worries. Obviously not going to be problems in life. Everybody has them but my job is to make it easy for her as possible and that's what I'm trying to do your mother. Tina's had a difficult road. Here's the last couple of years suffered a stroke and is people know it's you know the rehabilitation and coming back from a takes awhile the stress that people talk about your dad a lot. He's been more in the public eye but the role your mom has played with you know with you and your your brothers and her having to deal with you know obviously a lot of scrutiny some of these ups and downs and then her own you what she's had to go through feels like it's been a little bit of an overlooked dynamic in your family of your relationship with her and and sort of helping her through this so sure everybody sees my dad in the media so thinks he has a big role and he obviously doesn't family but a Momma's person who held everything together. I mean has anybody knock family. He's the only person my dad listened to honestly so you know when she went down it was it was tough for everybody and you're this is the first time I've Seen My dad cry so you know it was tough on the family and it hits you different. You know obviously it's a it's a long journey. Emma witter you know the whole time. We know she's strong but you know it's tough being last couple of years seeing everything she has to go through you know especially with us being media time but she's strong and she's she's getting back ax rehabs. You know five times a week. she understands everything which is great and now it's just about getting their movement backing. You know we'll get the speech out. What was it like growing up in. Chino hills like before people saw you on the U. Circuit and Your Dad coaching and the the like before that what was it like growing up in that town a lot of fun lot of fine. I mean small town but you know a lot of friends there just much Kennedy just like to play play industry all the time so you couldn't see you know more details. You can just run for fine. We usages race all the time. We had a backyard. Everything you need a basketball hoop pool. We had like a little mini theater in the House and you know my parents. Cook Pretty Much neighborhood I so I mean growing growing up as a lot easier time. Sure you say talking about playing like you really were on guys. Get on that travel circuit. Batman is it is grueling that age. You know you're like me. You're not flying charter right. You're going places but playing like that like especially when you have brothers and they were younger and so they probably maybe at times tag along with you and your older friends was that as much fun as you had just like going around whether it's like pickup basketball L. football in the street whatever it is like where it was. There was no structure. There was no attention to it. You just played just play There's a bunch of kids having fun on a safe environment. You know it's amazing so looking back on it. You know the Great Times my brothers with me. All the time I mean I remember a date was ever separated. We used to always be together. The the bond you have with with your brothers and and you grew up together and all of a sudden you start like you know they go overseas and your college and your and the Lakers and now now you're in New Orleans being the older brother. You find those guys to leaning on you. Maybe even when you're not around every day. Maybe leaning on you even more to reach out and say you like Hey. How do I handle this. What do I whether it's with what do I. What do I tell my coach on this. Whatever it is that those guys maybe we need Egypt sometimes now than then when you take it for granted being around each other all the time for sure especially for mellow like him now or never just the most. He's called me since since he's separated pretty much so those guys are. I'll help them or anything to be basketball. You can come to me for whatever I mean. That's what I'm I'm here for. You know they always looked up to me the whole life. I don't think they'll stop now. What's the change like people who saw mellow play few years ago and like you'd see the tapes. It was like you know he'd be taken like you know forty five foot shod and it looked like he was young he was young right and it looked different and now like like in its maturity. It's he's grown physically probably in the way you grow at that age. How have you seen his game evolve and and when you all of a sudden you see him a kid now. Who is like on the cusp? Both you know being one two three four th pick in the draft. I mean just look at his game. no-one him much more mature and then that Grossberg them alive I mean he shot up for like five ten to like he told her to me about six seven now so between that and a talented already had already had everything you need to pick roll. He had to float her we could shoot now is just about making sure he making the right play every time. I've that's what he's trying to focus on on right now focusing on turnovers. I know his first game he went there. He had a couple more now alike but just just staying on the right path listening to Louis coaches because he knows he's down to kit every time except on the court but you know Salat morgantown everybody tellingly how different was it for him to deal with you a little bit older dealing with the attention and the scrutiny that came to your family was it hard on him to sort of figure out how to maneuver through all that was part of your responsibility with him because I can't imagine it was easy when you're the number two pick and you're GONNA like you're getting a ton of attention and it was times. I don't know five ten whatever it was because of you were in the ball family. I think as hard as on me me just because I was the first one I you know I had to find out everything Kinda. We gotTA worry my family. I made it to the League or that far so I'll kind of went through everything I so he he can. He can dodge a few bullets that I already took for them you know so. I mean as far as the followers gladden half following his age he's on Espn with ninety two who points and stuff so I mean it's just a little bit different for him but at the end of the day it's kind of the same I mean you know what I mean. It hasn't changed. The people don't change. You'RE GONNA have people like if you WANNA hate to the relationship that you have now with teammates you walk in with the Lakers and people people are wondering like whether it was like your coach or a teammate is Lavar going to be publicly critical of them and like I think guys in a league. Maybe oh you had to deal with early on like you become a target right. I'm going to go. I have this opinion of his dad but I'M GONNA go. Take it out on who hasn't said or done anything and is that how it felt then. Does it feel different now because you're at a different place in your career life than when you were just this target when you walk in the League yeah. I mean everybody always says when they meet me and finally get to know Hawaii night. We didn't think he was like this just because everything. My Dad doesn't immediately but I mean identity today. I I always tell people person like you know. Don't group me with anybody. Whatever you see for me is what you get and get to know me as always fine but deathly just come coming illeg. Everybody was trying to come at me for sure. was there any part of you that just said like the time. Can you help make this a little bit easier on me because I'm the one who has to go. Oh face westbrook tonight. I gotta go face Steph Curry. That's not necessarily helping me or was it. Just hey listen. This is who he is. I've dealt with it and I'll figure it out like was that was that ever a line. You had to walk no because that's all I knew play basketball. He always said you know. My son is the best anybody against them. You know don't matter so for me. It was just like his thing. He said it's just now he has cameras following honestly so for me dealt with at the best way out to actually go out there and play leading an NBA team. Tough guys are a lot older than you. More experienced your twenty one years old going into with with a new team. What have you learned about what it takes to lead a group of men in the NBA especially from your position. You GotTa talk a lot more just from my first year the second year. I saw how Rondo Rondo is always always talking. Whether it's good or bad he's always saying how and also guys respond to. I mean it's not nothing fake. It's just it's just what it is. Elite team and you know the way I lead is kind of like an example how my whole life go out there and do what I'm supposed to do in the guys fall in line but at this level you have to the biggest thing. Rondos you know he's. He's a really smart player. He sees things here like Anybody's played with them coached him has said he's. This is intelligible player that they've been around in the league like in. What ways would you see that with him that you say. I can take something from how he sees the game and how he studies it I mean I picked it up right when he got there right when he got into them building. We watched film together and he pretty much built donohoe Corta. If I wrote down a whole game just after asthma I know he was a little different and then just throughout the year he was doing the same thing every film session. Stop in practice to say something team and that's kind of picked it up like this guys in different knows what he's talking about. It and you can tell because the feedback on the player everybody was listening and it wasn't like he was just talking to be talking. He was truly China fifteen. We know down the road. How good good potential is for the PELICANS team and the it's a young team. You're still twenty. One Brandon Ingram is discerned to just twenty two right and obviously Zairean and the other rookies that are coming in but this year with this group in the gym and you know you know how good the West is and you know you've seen what it takes in this league to have you know the kind of talent that gets teams in the playoffs but this team this year. Maybe be better than chance. Maybe it'd be better than people I think so about to take one game at a time you know we in the West. There's no there's no off nice. When you think is off night is not you know you can lose any night and it's a long long year so I mean I think personally had a pieces to do it and you can go to where we need to go but my vice damages you know there's just take it step by step. I was going the F. is going to be downs but let's just stay on the right path and I think if we do that will be Okay Lonzo. This was this was a lot of fun. I appreciate you taking time to sit down. Good luck with Cam. I'm starting next week and I know we'll see down the road. This season appreciate it. Thanks thanks for listening to this edition of the Woge Pod a big thank you to our our guest. Pelicans Point Guard Lonzo Ball be sure to listen and subscribe to the ESPN podcast low post with Zach Lowe and and the hoop collective hosted by Brian Winters and of course you can subscribe and listen to archive editions of the woes pod. Wherever you get your shows. We'll catch next time

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Best Of (NBA Power Rankings, LaVar Ball, NFL rookie rankings, Tyreek + Chiefs, Zion + Lonzo)

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Best Of (NBA Power Rankings, LaVar Ball, NFL rookie rankings, Tyreek + Chiefs, Zion + Lonzo)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go. ESPN RELEASED THEIR NBA power rankings heading eating into the upcoming season. I'm excited guys quite letter. Paul George and the new clippers claimed the top spot followed by the bucks and seventy sixers Lebron broaden. The Lakers came in at number four with the addition of Anthony Davis and the rockets rounded out the top five so Shannon. You got a problem with these his rank. Do I got a problem with it. 'cause I'm tired of people underestimate endowed Lebron. No reason sixteen years been happening for like four months. It's been inhabited for like sixteen years led by the biggest Lebron James Hater in all the world you biggest true tells the truth teller. I'm tired of this. advocate looks the books get honest. They're the only team to win. Sixty Games Janas was the MVP okay Kyle korver GonNa start shooting the shots now so until then talk to me then okay the Sixers Ben Simmons. He's been working on his outside shot. I follow him on watching him. See him making some threes okay. We'll see if he'd do again. I agree Joel embiid. The best big man true a five could put it on the floor plate with back to the basket shoot the three block. The shot blocked shot now hold on missed fifteen games every year something always wrong with his knee always wrong with his feet and only babies take more stomach issue then Joel embiid true okay. Let's come to the team. That's ranked number. One the clippers you know power George did have both shoulders and he will not be there on opening night until November if they're targeting November okay. It's not like Paul. George is like Paul. George all gets hurt too. They're making a theme by iron man he. AC Green like he got a thousand game and his belt belt without missing. Did they see last year. Well you know last year was game management. Okay what about a year before okay. I get that he was injured. I believe he was injured. He had quadriceps intercept tend to notice okay but what about those years before that when he's missing five games eight James Fourteen gains then we can seem like he doesn't miss any games really well. We don't know how. Ad Lebron go play together. Well how long Paul George and cooperating together their soulmates from some may get out of here leaving soul mate. Oh that's my soul mate we would mitt to be. I can't be with that. We were meant to be no you weren't you don't believe Ow uh-huh. Maybe you don't ever sold me. I do gotta soul you eighty need. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Look oh I know what Lebron Lebron has been in the lab. He put the time in May Dis put the timing obviously all these teams with the exception of the sixers and the the books they pretty much bring everybody intact six bring everybody intact but the guy that made the shots down the stretch they needed a big bucket is now for the sixers. It's not in Miami Jimmy Buckets. That's who they put the ball in his hands late in the ball game. You want Joylin be it wasn't Ben Simmons. New wasn't seven Tobias Harris Jimmy Bucket well. He's in Miami now and we see we see the big game agree in the big. We have it so we have seen it. They've we've what we're seeing. Is that when you pull up a moat with alligators this makes my bad. Will you put up a wall of Cuban when you you don't let him get to the basket skill and make him shoot the ball from outside. We see what looks like we did at the end of the day. You know what I'm GonNa. Have this kind of energy energy the energy the passion that I have right now in the mid June. I'm ahead that kind of energy I'm GONNA have I'm clippers going to have that inter second week. Not No minimum not won't won't have told me twenty by the way Lebron has not spent the off season in the lab ABC. He's spin it on a sound stage it Allaire yeah or maybe in the Edit Bay editing the I know a guy they shot a movie had had had a setup head of court setup on the lot and they won the championship. Do you have the he shot the moving and he was in the middle of his prime and Lebron is in year Seventeen Ryan with the equivalent of one hundred thousand miles on his body. That's what he is. were good car. You are good car. You're one of the you might be the greatest car ever on your ability but it still human car right yeah no known and we saw human last year we saw mortality last year so we saw a pulled groin you'll ever sold so you automatically assuming and everybody's automatically assuming just like you with when he got hurt your sixteen. He's going to be a year older so he automatically. He's GonNa get hurt in your seventeen ninety Tom. Tom Brady Catholic about Oh. Tom Brady calf issue mortal just mortal. I don't want to hear that. I don't WanNa hear does about Tom Brady. No no no no. Don't tell me I don't care why you play bad okay to make excuses my turn. I do agree with your premise that Milwaukee Walk Philly at two three. I'm just not I'm not buying in. I love Philly last year but then when you take Jimmy buckets away. Jj Radical made a lot of big threes in clutch ones you take them both away and now you're the third best team and you're better than A. D. Lebron. You're just you're not sorry. This is the first year I've ever said this. There should be to power rankings each week one for the Eastern Conference and one for the Western Conference because I'm pretty sure the the best team is gonNA come out of the West this year unless you make the case to me that the western conference playoffs have such bloodbath quote unquote beat the hell out of each other and and whoever the last man standing last men standing have to go face whoever cakewalks through the eastern playoff right that that maybe these would have an advantage just based on the East Milwaukee and Philly I got it put K. D. We have a different argument okay so I got you on that. I I'm going to defend the clippers just because defensively if Paul George does get healthy if you put those two wings out on the front line at half court and you put pg over over here and you put number two over here and you've put that little bulldog Patrick Beverley in it'll that's some hellacious defense and again big zoo that you loved his idea how did he he's you rim. Protector and Landry Shamet can shoot it in all of a sudden you got mantras and Sweet Lou coming off the bench. It's just a really good basketball team with a really good coach but then Paul George and cooperators position Yup so who's GonNa play the four so that means one of them got the Gar A. D. now which one going Gar eighty pretty good. That's why we're gonNA play so why. Ud for two hundred clear hearing number two would have to bear that burden. I BET THE AD put up thirty five and fifteen T- Nonni Paul George already know what Lebron give him he already knows this east west North South the with it does not matter once upon a time there will you remember. Do you remember what happened in okay. Did you have become on that when he Lebron with the Cleveland gave it to him. In Indiana he went to Miami gave it to him. IN INDIANA HE GOES BACK TO CLEVELAND GIVES IT to him. It doesn't matter what Paul Georgia okay I still say defensive mindset that team already had a culture based on defense in when you you ramp up that Defense Vince with two studs on defense and Lebron clearly over the last two seasons has demonstrated no defensive mentality where he's somewhat of a liability. The tone sat on defense the way he did the things that's going to be different. This year is that he's not going to have to show the offensive load that he's had at the Kerry for the last sixteen years now. He has a guide that he knows wakes up every mony. He's twenty five in twelve walking. We we know that we knew it in New Orleans. We don't know what we know IT BIG DAY O. EILLY would Lebron's great on the Hollywood stage. I don't know about about Anthony. I'm glad you said that because now just as you said that now is about to be twenty five twenty seven and a half and thirteen God. You're bumping him. 'cause you're bumping your gun. Utah talking about here may participate Lebron bump and he is about. We're GONNA PLAY TO A D. God knows we played last week Lebron media manipulation because is he's basically saying. Don't expect me to do very much. Put all the pressure on you in that poor. Anthony Davis has no idea what he just got into because because if it does teeter a little bit Lebron pool is why they got bullet Westbrook and hard nosed wait wait a second Lebron's going to pull his media cronies aside and say I. I thought it was better than I thought we could play you go. You always try to do that. You always try to see the discontent. I'm ahead of the curve went ahead of the curve serve you so here's the curve that Lebron is facing. I'M GONNA make a case to you. This season is Lebron's highest degree of difficulty in his entire career. You know why why no longer cake walking through the east and we just talked about what's left of the in the East and nothing if Lebron were in the East Games over still even at in seventeenth season but look speaking of that those two guys over on the right side look at what's right behind Lebron on the power rankings. This is what you're going to have to contend with this year. Five rockets six nuggets seven jazz eight warriors. Don't write them all don't dismiss them. Ten Blazers Thirteen Spurs Dijon Marie back do not write them off. They will be a factor. My point is Lebron Eddy. You're going to have to deal with this on almost nightly basis because you have to play the West more than you play. These big got my Rif. They gotta deal with us but that six the next nine our western conference dare I say powers because they're all loaded. They're all really good they do but you have to deal with them. We don't mattis as I I as a as level playing field in the West as you will ever see because they all have chances to make big runs and then you get all the way to fifteen mavericks in Sixteen Pelicans. Do you think the Pelicans are going to be a pushover Yup. Do you think they're gonNA be this year. I don't if we're well look at the Lakers Lebron and that's my to Mount Everest. Everything is a valley about Kilimanjaro bike peaks and Indeed Valley compared speaking of pikes peak look at Dallas with Dante. What do you think people listen? That's that's serious these business. They're ranked fifteenth this yeah we address Yup Arab. Everybody wants to scale Everest. we are Everest is old now ever since really old. Everybody wants scale. It just sits there see every doesn't have to move the Ron has to move on. Do you know how many bodies we've claimed. That's what we don't do this year in the West. Uh have some movie just sits. There and people fall off that what's going to happen. You gotta come to staples you. GotTa come see and you got to go to Dallas to Orleans and really take the show on the road boy this. This is tough highest degree of difficulty in his careers right here right now. The West is loaded. They you know the thing is when you simone biles. There is no difficulty when you the greatest of all time is no difficulty you just do what you do. You do what you do and knowing that nobody else can do what you do. Nobody in the history of gymnastics can do what you do. Here's guards Simone biles but Moscow do what she she does. No one can do it better. My point is will you Lebron James and you just do what you do Jay. Nobody play and do what you do. You make movies right all we've made for you guys today mile. She's going to go against you know like the mental side or something something there if I bring if I bring my b-game nobody's able of getting complex you might be dominant take is this is Jenny Taft after I have a quick message for you about Neum. 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Your mind change for good with new Lavar ball is being accused of embezzling over two and a half million dollars by his former business partner Alan Foster according to a report foster calls lavar quote would a liar who fraudulently utilized big baller brand and ball sports group to fund his personal lifestyle Lavar Ball family parted ways with foster after suing him for for fraud when money allegedly went missing earlier this year so Shannon. What do you make of all this concerning but I really hope it's not true because it'd be a horrible look for the family? there are plenty of people myself included that doesn't have like some of the things lombards yeah some of the things that he's done but there are plenty of people out there that doesn't like or haven't like some of the things I've said or done and by the way you have expressed that to Lavar him exact you absolutely right skip but this would be disappointing and considering that Lonzo is suing Allen Foster. This sounds like it might be retaliation. Maybe because it was reported that you know Lonzo sadness lawsuit that he was GonNa do I guess when he sued foster foster would disseminate damaging information about it but given Alan Foster's background and what he was incarcerated for it he kind of loses some of the benefit of the doubt he does given his history that he defrauded seventy people vote over four million dollars spent time in jail. sentenced to seven years served five got in trouble on while Pirot went back for another four months gives me it just seems it's just hard by the way he pled guilty to one count of mail fraud and two counts of money laundering so he pled guilty not too though right go ahead so it kind of makes it hard to believe to take him at his word that he but I'm willing to let hey I'm GonNa let it Lee out yeah but I just really hope is not true on the bars fault and Lavar says what I didn't know he had this kind of background but I thought they were friends. You know he got a new IMF from the neighborhood. Normally where I grew up at we friends. I'll see for a long time hill one or two things happen. You went to prison. You went to the military. Those did really two options option being from that neighborhood I get it you know it's not like Compton is a small area but if you know somebody you know skip I just I just really hope that that this is not true for the bar in the bars instance because it would it'd be terrible that he took money from his sons but I was never one of those that believe that Lonzo was was thriving because the Lebar Lonzo was driving because Lonzo is very very talented. Lamelo is going to thrive because lamelo talented yeah because La Barca mark do what he said he was doing he would have Liangelo in the NBA Lonzo's in the NBA of Lonzo talented Lamelo is going to be in the NBA. 'CAUSE LAMELO is talented talented. Liangelo is not in the NBA because the NBA dove do not believe he's talented enough is simple as that yeah but for me from the bottom of my heart in all honesty I've had my disagreements with Lebar but I really really hope that this isn't true not one house. Allen Foster is a legend I. I hope it's true I agree before I answer genie's question. I'm going to do a quick step back here. It's always something the thing with ball in the family and this is not to minimize the seriousness of these accusations and investigations but there's this little part of me made that sometimes wonders if this is all scripted for the sake of the reality TV show that it's all just Kardashian esque. You know like like it's all made up. It can't can't really keep happening this way and it's like the end of this in the world. I'm viewing right now would be that it would play out on judge Judy show it's like she would she would be final one too. Yeah I watch it yeah. I talk too much of Judge Judy small plane so thousands wouldn't she set the all time raise yeah. She tried this case Joe do show me the paper so given all that I have no idea who's lying and telling the truth because somebody's lying somebody's telling the brick and it was somewhat amusing that Allen Foster is actually using accusing Lavar of stealing. You could consider his own money right because he he did have the purse strings. I know it's he's sharing them with Lonzo right but accused of stealing Lonzo's money well. I guess that's how you could say but is it is all Lonzo's many or some of it Lavar money that would that would really out of one that had the money I kinda like didn't you started and we use your name you Lavar and Lonzo we use the ball neighbor kind kind of mom when he got the ball so to speak rolling. I agree thank you for bringing up Lonzo because again say this for the hundred time on the show without Lonzo ball we would have never heard of Lavar Ball Lonzo's ability GR- put Lavar on the map correct and he became a household name from here to China to Lithuania yes because of Lonzo and then Lavar outsized personality -ality is charisma and he is he's wildly entertaining and always enjoy having on the show even though it just hurts my soul to watch what he's done to Lonzo by by the painting bigger and bigger target on his back which brings me to my conclusion all this the one person in all this I feel sorry for or is Lonzo ball because think about what he's going through he he thinks in the back of his mind I've finally escaped. I'm getting a fresh start way down in New Orleans. They're having their first few practices. We're GONNA talk about video telephones released and he's free so to speak of his father. Even though the love will never die but but he's he's got a fresh start we both think he's starting to show signs of becoming his own man and then all of suddenly years I soon last night wait a minute. Is it possible my dad's stole my money right possible. He siphoned some offer rezone. Use The lawsuit. The funny part of it was that he was using it to acquire assets in Ethiopia says ah what's his name Allan Allan boss. That's what he alleges that he was using some of the funds to acquire assets in Ethiopia and then he went to calling me telling I mean then Allan Poe's tell about all the stuff that I you know I was giving Lonzo money in college and you know solely Sweet Sixteen Jerseys and but skip I I don't. I don't really watch ball in the family but I saw this clip. We'll Lonzo said I'm own man and I'm in charge of a UH future he did and he said he told the Lamelo you take charge of your future. Did that's not an accident that he said that he said that for reason. That's not scripted. You know that's real. I think you're right now. The one kid who's got the best shot the easiest path hat is the youngest one because he sees where all the pitfalls are riled the minefield lays he can look at all the mistakes that were made with Lonzo in how Lonzo alerts the nominee to go down there. I only do that. I'M GONNA take Lonzo took a ride. I'm GonNa take yes Lonzo took a right now. I'm going straight ahead. Yes you absolutely it becomes easier because you see the mistakes that was made before. You and you don't have to make those same mistakes but all that aside. I just hope none of this is true. I really do skip this would be this would be horrible. Look that Lebron was stealing money from his own son. That'd be a terrible loop. I I mean and lawns. Labar said he didn't know this look skip got homeboys and they've done some things like I'm not look. If you've gone to jail for stealing you know for stealing money or why the bankruptcy you might do security but you can't be in charge of the money beat around nowhere near the money you can work security. You'll hip wake in to your point. Lavar says he had no idea he'd been to preserve right when when they will emit friends and family so maybe they were taken taken advantage there. There's no guarantee I mean that's not to say that he could have gone to prison and turned his life around. There's a lot of scheming and conniving inch crew out here that have not gone to prison bet steel end up going to prove this so I don't want people to think well just because he went to prison doesn't mean he he couldn't change his life and turned his life because he could have in there. There are a lot of stories out here of guys and gals that have gone to prison and turn their life around. I got oh. I don't want people to think that's not what I'm saying yeah by the way the. La Times did report the FBI is invaded. Excuse me investigating Austin Austin yeah so no not his claim. Oh yes in four weeks ago okay so they're already involved in again. Dan Is he trying to deflect blame bright. I Dunno Lonzo say I just want my money. I won't buy one point five billion all that Lavar hear what you're saying that you know I'm breathing okay then and I got a job in the NBA but I still want my one point five million because I want my money I earned it and I want it back yeah and if you can't give Begi going to jail this lawsuit is alleging far more than just one point five and you just want him to focus on a fresh start that we were looking for the six. NFL writers analysts ranked the NFL rookies through four weeks of play. There were two notable emissions funds from the top ten cardinals. QB cuyler Murray and giants quarterback Daniel Jones raiders running back. Josh Jacobs had the top spot and governments. She was the only quarterback in the top ten so shannon. Do you agree with Kyle Jones missing out on the top ten yeah I have no problem whatsoever with Colin Murray being left off skipped top ten. He has not been a difference maker this season so ten players have been better than Collar Murray one thousand percents there such a thing. I don't know if you can get better than a hundred percent but there is something better than a hundred percent probably say one thousand rookies have been better. There's only fifty hundred player so I don't know about how do I know him better than him skip so I stopped abruptly meeting skip. I don't know if anybody knows is uni but Calamar has been really bad in the first three quarters. did you know they played four games. The old all three and one and in those first three quarters of those four games the cardinals with Calum Murray at quarterback scored two touchdowns in in the first three quarters of four ballgames. Yeah that's what caliber has his resume. He has zero twenty six and two touchdowns in the first three quarters and you like and that's impactful worst yard for a temp first three-quarters. There's five point six skip it that good and interesting that not no. It's not your turn yet. Daniel Jones has been difference maker he should be on the list just boys first game alone he might have had the best birth gameboy rookie quarterback in NFL history to touchdown throw in three eight hundred yards two touchdowns running and the game winner now yeah it took an act of Congress and a handle formed win the gay but that's not the here note there to go hand of Janus but we've seen him be a difference maker this entered they've won two games. They're not winning that game. Allows allows their quarterback and they get down by eighteen as a matter of fact. I don't think he loves everyone again so he should be on the list just for that alone but Calamari not being it on this list. I have absolutely no problem because he doesn't deserve to be on the list and you know it. I don't know if anybody knows this Jenny but football at least the game I watch it consists of four quarters three so you're saying period end of story after three quarters for Collar Murray Yeah we're waiting. We're going to rank him just off his first three quarters of his first four games four games how many they want okay so there you go so but we do leg day. Count is don't count. Here's what I've seen so far. The upset of the year in the National Football League was orchestrated by Cuyler Murray in his first ever. NFL Start Against the Detroit Lions who by the way beat your eagles in Philly they beat the chargers they took my homeboy to the wire. The other day took him converting a fourth and eight with his legs to survive at Detroit that team got tied in Arizona because that little quarterback said watch this in his first ever. NFL start in the fourth quarter he he goes fifteen of nineteen for a hundred and fifty four yards. That's just in the fourth quarter. I think the fourth quarter counts on the scoreboard. It's not a three quarter. Maybe I missed it. I don't know anyway fifteen thousand nine hundred forty one fifty four just in the fourth quarter with two touchdowns and they pull off a tie and some people we're all over cliff Kingsbury because he did not go forward at the end because they could have just gone for your because he didn't want to be Oh and sixteen so he's like I'll be fifteen in one but I don't WanNa be uh-huh and sixty eight the most impressive outcome of any gain. The biggest upset was the tying of Detroit area is what are you talking about impressive Eh imprisonment amount of time you tell me how bad Arizona telling you how good Detroit is stop it. That was the most impressive performance of the year by an underdog Al quarterback you can top it. Show me a better one because you can't and then a menu has been better but those aren't upsets. That's a good football team. Would they were underdogs underdog. Hopeless underdogs okay so then he turns right around and he goes to Baltimore. You've been beating the drum over there for Baltimore Baltimore all year long. The Ravens a really good they're good on defense cuyler almost pulled it off again. He goes crazy in the fourth quarter again against Lamar Jackson and Samore Lamar Jackson it in Hollywood Brown right up the rail with the throat to save the game for them so there's two really good games and by the way in that game and he went twenty five of forty three forty nine three forty nine and he's not in the top ten no really no oh interesting so those were obviously the the best to debut game since Canam Right Cam went four hundred four hundred never could set the bar to feel. I got to thinking okay again but but again the game I watched because I watched it Sunday against Russell Wilson look like he was at it again. In the fourth quarter right away fourth quarter he goes eight plays eighty yards scores on a quarterback draw and I thought oh he's going to pull it off again and guess what Russell Wilson took the ball and went ninety yards for touchdown the other way because Arizona's not very hey good on defense offense. I not very good offensive line. It's Larry Fits or kind of Boston and I thought David Johnson would really told host that rock and he's turned into Todd Gurley. Oh now you blamed on his land when I tried to tell you skip when I say skip he's he's leaving the best offensive line in college football going to the worst off his line in pro football you like that little guy special going to change life. He'd say nobody like okay about the to change his mind and go like I should have been on that diamond last night with the as so is a lot of faith how he might have pushed him over the topless. Whatever I I will say within the whole road because he wouldn't bring it skew he's five seven? He wouldn't bring it under those home runs back. Okay my badge a few more inches three-quarters. Let me get this straight. The quarterback who debuted in the first two games with three hundred eight yards passing and then three forty nine in pulled off the comeback of the year to tie the lions nearly beat the Ravens. The Ravens is not in the top ten. Oh okay so I look at these players. Brian Burns earns. I liked him. You know he's pretty out of Florida state. He's been pretty good player. Burnell savage has been he's been nice for Green Bay. I'll give mench. UK Okay the other Josh Allen for Jacksonville. I've watched Jacksonville a couple of times. He never jumped off my TV screen. Love Chase win of its loved him. Last year. You goes interview there you go and he's really funny. He's kind of the new gronk except he's on defense for the Patriots in caliber three Oh has he oh oh oh man electric. You know what you gotTa do is. Don't watch him until the fourth quarter he do another first three-quarter 'cause he's telling you he did. He threw for three zero. Oh a against Detroit. He's four hundred fifty four. If I'm not mistaken in the fourth quarter rice get he had one hundred and fifty four three quarters so I just WanNa know what's he doing in the first three-quarters. I want to know what he's doing in the fourth quarter because it's the money quarter highways been johnny in the fourth quarter. He was at Oklahoma and he is now. They've been behind. I'm I'm asking is we get down to. TJ Hodkinson and I liked it. I would have changed life for the Detroit. If you don't mind if you don't mind me asking hard nosed pick number one overall right now they're three and one has cal changed life well. He's on his way to you. You've been telling me all you. They're bad for Ericsson. They only with high of the Detroit lions that's life changing for Arizona Okay but the point is does he belong. I just read off these players. Lawyers is even better than those impactful just by virtue of the position he plays he's far more rack which you keep him off the list because if he plays the most important position yeah and they got no wins he should be off the list because he has the ability to be more impactful than the guys on the list. They got a tie of the lions. You'll given within that you guys get to restaurant for Tai Lu. I wouldn't want my door. Will you wear a tie. No I mean very good no no he can't come to my restaurant. I'll I'll have high chairs. Judy Judy was huge it. was you grew the Thai thing. I didn't make it about a high tide because it's all you can do you heaping praise on the guy forgetting straordinaria yeah for a bad team. Why did they pick I because they're bad team? Who is their new coach? He went twenty six thirty at Texas Tech but you but you didn't see say any of that when they when they got Kingsbury cheeseburger boy if I had the pneumonia overall pick I would take them what you got him and what you've got. We're GONNA show so anything into my doubts about cliff in Arizona Ginny Holo kingsborough encounter said we're not gonNA show anything in the preseason will you hadn't shown anything in the regular regular season so whether you're showing some Detroit needed help me out. I don't know you know they almost beat your homeboy. They had dementia question. Are They GonNa make the playoffs yes or no. I don't know okay so they're on the way the nuts on the way. I'm on my way. I'm on my way to Roscoe was after the show really I might not make it but what I'm on my way and that's my intention skill stop. You're on the way to losing this argument. You told me that this guy is. He has ability be transcendent. You say the corporate okay. What does that ally Manning? Was He transcended. He led the League in interceptions as a rookie. Did they tear up the world that you know they did not ooh bad football Zuber who that were. He's got a chance or are they gonNA surrounding with any talent anybody to throw Akeem Butler out Iowa state. I think he was going to help change that kid's life and he broke his hand in training camp out for the year. Okay yes opinion. Hopefully he lives yeah. Check him out out. Ginny knows skew. It'd probably be good if they played pickup basketball zero six guy pick a best bobby great now no no no no runs four or five. I'm your skipped. Just go ahead and admit this year just chalk it up. Show your mail you GonNa take the AL this year about. Does he belong on the team. He uh-huh that's absurd giving this. This is like embarrassing me even have this conversation just a second skip hello. What part don't you understand the big end or the big Ugo know what part did not rea- weighed in three forty nine like you tell me all the time? What what did he gets you Shannon? What did I get high? My restaurant will not let you in your time. It got you owe fifteen in one it work. That's what Kings Bay played for the time. I don't want to be like Cleveland. I don't WanNa be like Detroit. I worry I worry about the protection. I worry about that. A little bit twenty-six outweighed eighteen and fourteen games at Oklahoma knows add up quick doc quickly to the first three. We'll see I told you last year. He's going to win the heisman no over. WTT's got you told me go win. NFL Rookie of the year how that worked out well for way through all you got to get on the list tirade kill returned to practice for the first time since injuring his collarbone week. One Hill was fourth last season. Both receiving yards and touchdowns and Patrick mahomes thinks that with hills return before no chiefs will be even better take a listen. He's a guy that defense half the game plan for defenses have to account for him with maybe one or two guys to try to figure out a way to stop him which helps everybody else out and so having him back and when he gets back I mean and we'll be able to utilize him and these other guys to really expand our offense. Take it to another level Shannon. Is there another level to the chiefs offense in your mind. Yes I believe it. I believe there is the thing that separates tyreek from these other guys that can run Nicole harbor can fly. Marcus Robinson can run but they're young but tyree complete receiver. He's turned himself over the first couple of years of his career from Gin. Just being gathered guy just speed guy he that you rob receiver he he can run the route tree now he can run the out run the combat he can run the digs gives his hand. He gets step. He's out of here what his injury has allowed chiefs chiefs to do is to get hardman and to get Robinson drips so can you imagine they go five rods. They try out Sammy Watkins Tyreek. He'll MECO hardman Robinson and Travis Kelsey Good Luck good luck special another level now to eleven and then you got you got my homeboy controlled in that thing yeah who Graham am ouster here with it already his third year doing things that he shouldn't be doing right now. doing big oil. I would agree with that big boy a lot of you you. Are you upset because you've never seen anything like this. You've never seen someone that is able to command and do the scalp he can make every throw via the five yard. Throw a sixty five yard throat and he's in the perfect offense. He has the PERP the perfect weapon surrounding him. Yes this this offense can go to another level now the run game. We'll need to rush hundred we don't need the cowboys running game but he didn't just give them a little run game just to keep the deep somewhat honest do they just don't drop eight guys all the time he patrolled the NFL trouble so I don't get this another other level. Are They GonNa play on the Moon. Is this ad Astra away. He might get it next. You talk about sixty to download about six thousand yard yard. Really why don't they just go to the moon and just play on the moon with no if anybody could probably gain. Can I interest you in that skill Baylor's forty points the game sixty six thousand yards. Could I interest you in Odell Syndrome or maybe it could be a B- Syndrome. We're about to talk about a B and our next block on on this show but at some point you're going to have too many weapons with two big of Egos happen. Those you don't in writing tyreek is too young to have an ego for this in all of a sudden you're going to try to blend and back in with Kelsey who has twenty four catches and a touchdown so far Sammy it came back alive. He's got twenty three catches and three touchdowns. Somebody's going to have to suffer there and then we get to democracy Robinson. WHO's had a little coming out party? I don't know how big is ego is but he has fourteen catches in three touch. Every time I look up number eleven's catching another and me call. I don't know anything about him but he's pretty high rookie second round but but again he's had some success a catches two touchdowns well there's unless they let him play with two footballs because you get there one left one writer resilient short-lived. Yes we so maybe they'll let the league will mandate that he gets to at once and if he has to at once you got on this because everybody will stay. Have you on guard skip. The question is who you're gonNA throw it to homeboy because at some point somebody's going to be unhappy here just book it. It's life life in the national football league. It's also life in twenty nineteen. Somebody will get unhappy and some quarterback I know is going to go Baker Mayfield because Baker just finally starting starting to crumble under the onslaught of I gotTa Keep Odell happy and Jarvis happy and yet he had an joke who for how can I just two different gottfried ak first year coach and then you got big red engery been in this thing for a while so he understands it but let me tell you how this thing goes guilt see in my business my restaurant restaurant restaurants. I I come for certain I one get open. That's who gets the ball really yep. You don't take reservations bars one get open for one one gift ball. You only get open. Somebody's going to be unhappy skill. You got too many weapons much of a good thing honestly look what Happen Jacksonville Sammy Watkins with Haywire Yup and then the next couple of games. Everybody wanted to double Sammy Watkins and in Harmony Robinson Goes Haywire. How at some point you got to start taking away and then Kelsey killer? Try Go get loose. What you going to do skip which going to do with the Sean I know Leshan Donald Bit been around him quite a bit and love him but he's got an ego and he likes aid half? It said he had a chance to get. I bohm he's already. He's caught nine ball. Shady shady happened to get that's just about to get a bowl shaped like a really do math adelaide illegal Russian all pro. I've been the pro bowl ring. 'cause it don't mean a thing if you ain't ain't got that ring do do well Damian Williams out of the University of Oklahoma. He's got a pretty big ego you did do you see what he's doing. He tried to so see I see through your amy can run it ain't catch and he's hot nine balls. Only one I get only one A. and you only get like seventy five plays and again. That's what we need. You been given by please. We fifty five so we can say if I play we go. Hey Fifty Arya and dimmer homeboy way from Tyler Texas whole hey he'll need much neighbors. It's just down the road from Clinton View Lynnfield. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about what you saw. What he did is that you don't need a whole lot of time 'cause you saw the AFC championship game they're headed stifled bottled up Sam points in the first half and yep four quarter whether there was killed over two hundred and twenty four points in the fourth quarter well what do you can't believe what he capable of blueprint is out as coach? Mangini told us yesterday bell check drew up the blueprint. This is how you at least slow him down sounds look down and Matt Patricia use that blueprint last Sunday in Detroit and he really slowed him. He got thirty one he got he got thirty three points around around fifteen yards. It Slowdown Code Bell voting now he got forty points no that was in the regular season what have in in in the playoff playoff game because he lost what what thirty thirty one he lost thirty one thirty six thirty one thirty seven thirty because they scored in overtime down thirty one thirty so here's the thing about blueprint people blueprints if the house ugly nobody wants that blueprint my homeboy got Sam touchdown to pick them almost eight hundred three hundred twenty yards a game passing that blueprint Bob. If you want to sleep doesn't love hotdogs I know this league catches up with hot hot. Dog Your skill left-handed no look behind the back. Oh he looked into the referenda 'cause he what he say skill he's going to do all this running at broad flag and I was just going to go ahead and take me once I see that although flag put Burma's autozone twenty three out of bow back that would be in this league operates and I know how egos operate rate and you're in for a rougher ride down the stuarts King. Okay stop going to do what we do skip bayless the seeds are planted not by me. GLENHAM PLAN FOR SKIP tyreek is back the back it would be any say nothing about that all these homeboy see it when he comes back and he takes this offense. He didn't say he is back when he comes back. Give you an English major and you know all about this tent comes back and he's back. I actually majored in. NFL that yeah because we're a pipeline nothing major do appreciate Your Passion Shannon for that team is just ready to go with the eagles another team. Yesterday we got our first sneak a peek at the Lonzo to Zion connection during a scrimmage Lonzo through IMOs facet went off the backboard and was snagged Zion who threw it down. Let's keep watching that I like it. Shed how impressive was this well who knew dunk wow in a non impressed. I don't know I mean we saw we all the way through ninety four feet dunks to Lebron when he was a Miami and this I mean looks like it's going to be another Gary. Payton Shawn Kemp situation. They're gonNA have highlight dunks on a nightly basis because Lonzo is a good. It's a good facilitator in Zion can jump out of the building. That's what I got for you. That's all that's no. You let me get let me get this the best don't you've ever seen what I'm with you because I was shocked that his teammates were in awe of that dunk because because that was his whole home for that guy is you can get because he didn't even sky for that. He barely went up over the rim. I like the past had genius on it because I don't know Beth about the glass he said I was a little off. Target Zayn had to catch a short run off the glass but but again you're going to see a whole lot more than that. Yes and I felt a little sorry for him because they're putting this tape out there for everybody to see is if they're trumpeting see what our guy did by the way Garden Nine Guy from Italy Nicolo Meli they rave about him as a shooter but but again he's six nine and he just play defense on. I'm not sure that was all that impressive. I mean go ahead but it's going to be another Sh- gary. Payton and Shawn Kemp is going to be a rainman situation on a nightly basis it. He's GonNa Highlight Artsy. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny tapped join us again at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then flats of

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 3

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 3

"The dangling. Wait into tonight. Now, did you like this version better than original? I dislike them, man. He just and you got I grew up. Both of them though. No. But this original. I mean, the first time we heard it. We were kids. We know he was talking about this and did a lot of stuff to this regrets. No. You know, I know that this is you know, what he talking about. Don't like exactly as a kid. But you didn't really know my mother Neal was in the kitchen cooking Virginia. Here. It was some strange people in my living room that I really did. No, look like they was halfway drunk. You know, when you grow up, you know, don't sit on the couch because it's plastic on top of their, you know, shag carpet polyester pants, like, that's that's you know, we didn't have the plastic the plastic did you have living room? Yeah. Of course, they had live. So. Ask him. I don't know what a living room without the plastic. Look same as yours. Just without the plastic. We'll see because they couches out every other year. The same couches. Did you have the little the runners little plastic one on the carpet? Oh, no. Do you know those are? Yeah. Okay. It gives you the couch. You would walk on the carpet's carpet. No, no. No, no shag carpeting, remember seeing plastic on the furniture in like a movie or TV show. And I'm remember statelet. Why what's going on over there? Preservation. Yeah. I guess I idea. Holy cow. I wonder what it's like, you know, what we actually had a couched. I don't know what the actually fabric feels like. Here's it. Did. It never come off. Never not even for Christmas. Oh, especially Christmas in it would have to crack. Turn yellow four to be removed. The plastic your whole couch, and you know, what else you got put plastic on. Sometimes Travis don't make that face keys. Headline. This morning is presented by sprint. Cocco doodle do. Yes. So the ball family had a little turbulence over the last couple of weeks. Weeks and from Lonzo ball deciding to part ways with their longtime partner to pardon ways with his agent finally assign with an eight China decided to sign with CA, which is a reputable agency for is one of the biggest four guy that has some international pop. I think that they could potentially help him and do a lot of good things for Lonzo sign with a after thinking about this decision over the last few weeks. I concluded the CIA made the most sense for my career both on and off the court. Lonzo said with CA now in place to manage the my basketball career, I could focus muscle attention on training and the upcoming season, which he's probably should've did that start with side with a big agency or an agency and stead of trying to create your own agency should assign with a big shoe company. Just like everybody else instead of trying this new idea in lose out on a ton of money. And I hear shoes are produced. They're not, you know, I'm still waiting. I wonder though, because I think I agree with you. But I still don't have a problem with the idea of it. The I know what they were doing K SPN, Los Angeles. It's the the idea I think was interesting and potentially a really good one. It's that they had people trying to execute their plan that had no idea what they were doing the same idea right now take it to one of the shoe companies in insert my idea into the overall back room what they do. And I'll get better results over. Sure. Hundreds. That's what I'm saying. But the wasn't a bad idea. The that they had first of all lavar is not an expert in that world that Allen foster guy. They brought in was not an expert Donut shop robbery right that they would miss you graze, high either to your point go to Nike or Under Armour or somebody was cut a deal. Let's do this. This is what I want to do. I'm going to under your roof. Yeah. But I want to do it like I want you to do sit. And I'm wondering one of your guys, that's a shoe expert, branding expert and marketing expert to help me with this. You wanted that was due to brand Jordan is what you wanna do. Yes. Jordan. Was unto Nike until it spun off on his own. And now, obviously the rest is history. You think that this is going to the way that this went for Lonzo? And I think I know the answer to this because Lonzo was not the first person to do this. But. The next guy that comes out that the big deal that hires somebody with no experience because it happens every once in a while that a guy it's an uncle, it's a friend. It's a friend of a friend it somebody that oh I'm going to use this guy because he's been with me for a long time. And I trust him. But they don't have any expertise in this. There's a reason that the same football agents get guys over and over and over again that CAA gets clients over and over and over again, it's because doing they know how to to live and breathe and maximize opportunities in this world or we still going to see guys hiring, friends and family. Yeah. You are. Having an agent an agency and being a part one. You certainly it has benefits. Okay. But it also has drawbacks as well. If you if you have somebody that can execute that know what they're doing. Then that's one thing view just trying to all of a sudden meet Travis and l z we can read roll it out. That's different. That's different as low as you have somebody in your camp. That knows what they're doing. Or at least is willing to learn from another expert like superior, Mike lebrons, guys. Yes. You know, you learn and you see in at that. Do fly yourself you can cut cut the cut the cut the cord and let me just go in. I think that's where where you start to see guys do that. Now, they just in my opinion watching it from the beginning to where it is the day. They had a lot going on too fast and short period of time, the balls. Yeah, they had too much going on you. You went from who. Travis who you you went from being a number one pick, you have shoot company to all of a sudden, you a rapper to a mobile TV with the with the reality show too. Have a half another. I'm gonna have another basketball league. And I'm starting. I mean, all this is within a twelve month. Calendar right. I mean, this is this refasten also well, dealing with health issues of the mom, so you have them trying to do all these things professionally while also having a personal scare it was it was a lot. But I think at the end of the day in what we're seeing from Lonzo is simply maturation and many of us assumed that he was just going to sign with clutch because. Once he left. Yeah. One hundred percents last week. We clutch Rick rich got this hand. But it appears as if he wants to he be in Lonzo just doesn't want to be fathered by anymore because there is a potential for a daddy. If you will by the Brown clutch now, he's like going. I'm just trying to car a reasonable path the reasonable way without someone lording over me, whether it be my father, whether it be LeBron I just wanna be my own person. And that's just maturation. Did you think that it did when all of this settles when there's no more lavar involved in his life? There's how is that possible? He's no I don't even like I'm talking about. Well, you know, they where there's shoe company where you're in Lithuania. Where there's the whole noisy part of lavar existence has been eliminated. But at least drastically reduced in lonzo's where Alonzo's with one of the most reputable talent agencies sports agencies that there is does this help him on the court. Does he become a better basketball player? Because all of the stuff. By professionals a lot of times it just in one's own life without sports when things settled down things small, you know, when when it's all rocky. It is crazy you got rash calling. You Chris sending bits and in L z weird things. Just. Would he be weird thing? We just look right in. So it can be a little bit of turbulence. But once it comes down. It's like autopilot when George was sitting in your seat. It was you know, we gotta deal with Chris arguing with him got to figure that out just a lot. Then when it settled down once you came it was like. We didn't know his name was into joys left. Enjoys nothing gone. So what's your name Horry? Oh, all right. I think that is what you go see with Lonzo everything settles down see a kind of has it under control on auto pilot. Now, I can concentrate on plan ball lifting weights gin, stronger, STAN healthy. So lonzo's are is it your al-matar. If you were there for six months, can you call it that or is it you have to graduate? That's a good question to graduate. No, you don't. Okay. So Lonzo moms if they did have to NFL wouldn't have. Oh, man, real tar bra. Let's not do this. We do roll call. You specialty not. Yes. You are a lot of those got degree. And it's not a lot some lot Nestle man when us on Sunday football, and they go Jacksonville high school. They mad at the university. Yes. That is how that started. The Bruins UCLA. They're looking for a head basketball coach there were trying to get Rick Barnes they pursued him aggressively. According to a report, they never has Tennessee talk to Rick Barnes. They they were five million a year reportedly that they were gonna pay. Rick Barnes to come. After mission in college. I don't know if you have to I think one of those courtesies they half to, but they didn't get him report is going to stay in Tennessee. They didn't get Barnes. They didn't get Jamie Dixon. They fired. Let me let me ask you to still. What why what's so sexy about Rick Barnes? I don't think there is. He says he was at the university of a lot of vets successful, Texas with TJ four didn't get anything out of that. He has he had Katie. Katie didn't get nothing Aldridge. Didn't get out of that. What's so special about until properties in nothing out on the markets all jobs either? Well, what's this is it he's at Tennessee in their win at a bunch of games. And there are a high seed in the NCAA tournament they went they went thirty one and six or something that a really good year. But see that's not sexy enough for me to give him five million dollars. And I got a guy like Earl Watson right down the street. Now, people will say or Watson doesn't have a degree. So he that's the reason UCLA hang up people are saying that. But it doesn't matter. You don't have to have a degree. Less. Just a rule. That's that's the NC two A put in each university. Do what the hell they want to do less the state of California, which of because it's UC school. I wanted to and I'm going off a memory here. When I was at Santa Barbara assistant coach was getting his masters degree because if he wanted to be a head coach in the UC system he had to have that. So maybe it's thing. Thing. Okay. Visit academic thing. I get it. But let's take the academic off the table. If is not an academic thing. And they don't in. And they don't hire this. Do they going back? They almost like US's football pro. Well, that's the way they look at right now, I'm glad you said that because they're the similarities are striking these are two prestige programs, USC football and UCLA basketball that always seem to have trouble filling that job with a big name. And I just wonder if the because we're LA guys because we grew up here. And we we know what SEI football means. You know, what UCLA basketball means us a certain way. But if you grew up somewhere outside of here, you look at the UCLA basketball. It's a difficult academic school. It's a conference that doesn't get a ton of attention for basketball. It's expensive to live. It's it's it's not you're not a big deal here. Look, if you're the head basketball coach in Bloomington, Indiana, your big deal, if you're the head basketball coach at UCLA your y handful of guys that has job here now now because they're not winning right? If they were to win. Into big deal here when he was here they were winning. But they what he ain't gonna hear right? Yeah. What was it? He went to the final four, but here's a actually three. But he's a guy that would have been a big deal here if Steve Laven have got it going. He could have been a big deal because he got behold hash, Pat, right? Where's a suit people? Be like, oh, yeah. It's a big deal. And they would be rolling when you wrote go into the finals or going to the postseason is not 'Significant is when you roll it like Duke and Kentucky in in. When Louisville was crack that's rolling with Florida with that's rolling. That means that the team is just doing their deal in. If you sell it basketball ever gets back to that. Then you the head coach. Then you go reap the benefits just like p Carol deal with our football. I think the job what you said is. Exactly, right. I think it could happen with second-day start rolling again. He's a big deal. I don't think college basketball has that zip the way that it used to even all of a sudden UCLA became a perennial. Final four partic-. Happen. You gotta jump over Sean McVeigh who's ever coaching the Lakers who's ever the head football coach at USC. But you also the dodgers you've got you've got so many things here that UCLA UCLA pass the twelfth fourteenth twentieth. Most important sport in this town. Remember, remember UCLA basketball has a following in southern California. And most of them are dead or dying because that's the only people that remained. Way to Roger glowing. Aaron Rodgers responded to being called a bad leader in a bad team here what he said next. Hey, hey, that's the number eight seed Johanna Laterano going up against a mean said in our fierce for you're going down drop. My people have spoken so out of the gate. We haven't seen a route like this in our entire competition and showed us sixty three percent Ameen said thirty seven percent vote. Now at ESPN, Los Angeles runaway and whoever wins this battle. We'll have to face most likely. It was something ma- major changes the overall one seed boils e took down. Amen. My boy Elsie this morning. Duet with Pedro or I mean says my solo act regardless that has hobbled no. No. If you Shona though. People have spoken. Watch takedown who made me they made me an honorary blacks can I get to go to yet is not. Homecourt advantage though. It's like playing that Denver. Muchness? True, though, what altitude stuff of endeavor everybody saying that when they play true? Tom Jackson told me nobody's complaining when it was beaten aheads of the Broncos and fall in many years. To his Broncos star winning. Everybody could play out. Dude is not as substitute more talent. But you go. Me Nell has any SPN front office insider joining us here. We're talking about Lonzo that he signed up with CAA. Do you think that we'll see a different basketball player now that his life off the court is a little more settled? No that ain't. Like first of all, he's a good basketball player. Second of all his biggest problem has been basketball. Even the stuff that's off the court. It's health. What he's he's not a healthy player like that. That's that's what it is. You look at two seasons. Ki L A. You got this number to stop your head. How many games Tuesay's hang out all the time? I don't know. He hasn't. I don't think he's played a complete season. The two seasons really think you're not sure. Ninety nine. His thank Travis. I should I. Right here. I should just ask Travis because he should know that had a number two hit roundabout number who had the number last week when when nobody else's here when it was just me you and one of the cabinets van was ninety nine. I was like, oh, that's why I went to l z research, but I wanted to big things for me in him being able to go in sign with another agency that's already in place that is the wheels on auto pilot. They know what they're doing as far as that. It just takes it calms everything down. He doesn't have that stress level of worrying about his father doing some his little brother's doing. He doesn't have to worry that you think all of a sudden those guys disappear. No, no, no, what they they don't disappear, but it's managed differently is under control oppose all scrambled eggs, everything all over the place if the phone rings, you know, the call is going this way, it ain't going daddy going to get back to him in three weeks. You'll you understand what I'm saying. I just calms things down. I just feel like that's not the contributor. Why has basketball career biz play not the other stuff, but he's play and of that play tights his hell, of course. And of course, and that's about it. It's going make things easier for his business. Let me let me ask you, something Mr. basketball person. So while it's true that he's with C A in terms of the overall agency to specific basketball persons, Paul George de ngelo, Russell airmen's. Yes. Julius randle. Okay. Julius randle. No longer. Laker Paul, George take a meeting, and it always de ngelo was jettison was say wasn't a leader. Right. Lonzo signing CA is that a just a coincidence that animates airmen's happens to be the person connected. These three players or is. Or is Lonzo being preparing himself to be traded? And with the other three Lakers. No longer. Laker fertile Ehrman says. Divers acccess agent. Say wasn't. I'm just saying like you're asking why. Why would you saw this installation? Oh, you're trying to trade it like, no. It's just like I did that if I sound Rich Paul. I mean, somehow we'll play LeBron. Well, that's a conversation. That's legit though. But if what players. Depends on what play things like these. These guys are successful agents. That's why people signed with. No, I understand that part. But you can't ignore the narrative of the connection or the Kalinka. There's going to be there's going to be that connection for me and area to see a is with the Lakers is that his relationship with the Lakers. Not it's not a good one. Not a great relationship. That's but if a player is going to allow an agent to dictate where he should play in his career and his happiness, then he had Dan food, y'all. Yellow missing the most important question did airman still, lavar. Yeah. Could get all three boys on the same roster. And with the other guys actually be good. You just say, he's a smart man in Asia way. Hey, look, if the only way sinus Klein about saying this stupid thing. You said it. Sure, he knows the middle. Boy can't play into me. He knows knows that where's he plan? Anyways, delete. He he's no one's like fashion. Shoot guy. A little sun at in the big baller brand league. Or whatever. He was playing inspired academy. That's right actually plan in high school. The high school that allowed him to play and then have problems eligibility. But I'm saying he doing academy like the military academies. So he's playing prep school. So he's playing basketball. I mean, what does it mean that? Kyrie Irving might may take Laker meeting. This summer. Does that mean that he has been setting this whole thing of going all the way back to I didn't handle the bronze leadership? Well, does it all go back to that? I think he's a dude that from day to day changes his mind a lot based on his based on his outfield. Right. He's a very emotional God. And so I don't think he's made a decision as far as where he's going to. Go pee a lot of people. Look Durant going to New York Balan that one's happening. But kyri my go to New York he might go to LA. He might stay in Boston. If they trade for Anthony Davis. I think he'll stay in Boston. So all depends. But you know, he's probably going to be the tipping point this off season. As to where this free agency thing goes where he goes is going to dictate a lot of other stuff really because he's he's the one who's got who's probably the most open minded to different situations. Like, we know Kweisi the Toronto clippers we know that do Durant going in New York. We know Claes stain Durant's that much of a done deal. He's going to New York where? Just done. They're measuring drapes. And oh, this one has a great view. ESPN seven Terry. Durant is a dead. You can't hurt Vosa would've just sign language. Hands move and you'll see it on on social later that camera rolling, right? All right. So back to Cairo first second, and whether or not he changes his mind a lot. But if he decides to come here to LA is a good deal for the Lakers. We'll get into that. With the mean that's coming up next. I'm getting ready to eat my lunch here in a little bit courtesy of fitness kitchen. L A dot com. You gotta go. Check it out for yourself right now, again, fitness kitchen dot com, go on there and look at the menu right now. And you tell me if that looks like food that you wouldn't want eat, no matter what you like they have it there. There's chicken there's beef. There's fish. There's fish tacos there's vegetables, there's others fresh fruit. There's oatmeal there's all this wonderful food, and it's the right amount. It's the right portions, it's the right fat carbs all that stuff. So the weight starts to come off been on it shoot going on three months right now. The way continues to come off. Go look at it for yourself, fitness kitchen, LA dot com. The promo code is Travis ninety five ninety five dollars off that first week with a minimum two weeks absorption. The menu changes over constantly between you're not getting bored of eating the same old things. It's been you're excited to stay. On the program and the weight will keep coming off. You don't have to starve yourself skinny you. Don't have to be miserably food that you don't like eat stuff that you love and the weight will come off fitness kitchen L, A dot com. Travis ninety five fitness kitchen L, A dot com. Go look at it right now black pink oughta go k pop did. I say, right. Yeah. Vaccine familiar with Cape up a little bit. Okay. I don't know any songs, but I know the BT K o thought to you Tommy right on time BT was serial killer. Mentioned BT K. This is black paint. You're right. The patch? We might need more than just the he you gotta get shut up. Laugh laugh it because be a youth ought to say about the B two K do crazy, dude. Up in Wichita. Yeah. He was the serial killer line kill dark with you. Travis. This group that was pink. No, not this group. The group that on the biggest group in the world is a k pod group. I have some weird initials. K BTS BTF's e. Talking about all while we're on the topic of off topic kind of stuff L Zia's watching a documentary on Netflix. It was it's about people of loss on big stages in sports, one of them was about this figure skater was French. But she was blacked. Her name was Syria. Have you ever heard of Syria, Syria? S you are white. I have not oh, I would've thought this is right abilities figure skating. I'm was oh. You had a figure skate now feel like a tiger. That was not a kid. I l z is an expert on all the alternative sports. Clean win we stopped for that. Joan. No, we could've kept going where we had going on over here figure skating outfit. That's offensive. Okay. He did have a cat. I don't mean it offensive as in like stairs thought of you and extend that. Of it is a black. No, ocoee. It was a onesie. What's the difference? One tight ones these children. No, not for children. Yeah. They are not if they make adult sizes and laze they'll size diverse too. Exactly. That's not just what dressed up like a tiger wherever you are. All right. Let's go. Let's go back to your second. All right. Hold on. In the middle of the day middle of the week not on the weekend doing holiday time. He was thirsty Thursdays. It wasn't even Halloween knows like Wednesday at two. This is what we do. However, we wrote as that's highly sensitive acquit over there, crystal tackle down just to show me a picture that I don't even want. See you don't. I went to one part of the mass to you. Stick to sports. Let's sports. Let's just the camera because the camera now not even looking at it. So hold on. So tricky camera. So you look at sports you think they don't wear cats. They're all wearing catsuits. What are you talking? Serena. Where's the cats who weren't catsuit lesser? Well, I mean. So let's talk about Kyrie Irving guys. Not seeing it. Yes. A means. You actually is exactly the same reaction that I have when I see those pictures, which is kind of just sad resume looks real freaky tales furry. I have like five different ones. I can't believe the question is even more accurate now you'll furry. I have Darth Mehta one never tied. I want. I wore the Grinch to one of our events. Yeah. You and I walked through the middle of LA live together while you were in your Grinch onesie, and it got some looks. Guess I forgot I was wearing to what y'all looking at. And I say to me. Me. See that guy. Looked at me. I'm like yells every is looking at you wrench onesie with Christmas, at least sort of. The twentieth member. A lot of weird stuff. That's all I can tell you is important to take one so serious. I'm gonna try one more time. I take what I do seriously. Irving if the Lakers get it done, if they get the meeting they sell him on L A going, and partnering up LeBron again is that a win for the Lakers is that the the second guy that they need to make this thing work. It's a win for the Lakers. And more importantly, I think it's a good fit, right? Because I was talking about this on Sirius XM radio yesterday plugging because I'm on that show channel eighty six Geno eighty six. Yeah. Yeah. Serious tool. Seven. You got seven hundred listeners is that what you got, bro. My listeners paid listen to me. Hey money per month to listen to me, Stephen over here. Need to understand who you're talking to deal? Learn who your. Learn who you're dealing with. That would do Keiser death and say nothing just cost talknet. We bring it back. I see the proof of purchase was still a hair. It was tag was still on it. You wouldn't even take this out of plastic? Do you have any idea? We're now Stephen went off on one of the dudes. I take awhile ago, the do that you could probably figure out. On learning sports game. Wanna see his name just load sports? And what he said it was like complete side is because it was a recognition that. Yeah. Would never go say that to you because we never use. Just now learning sports have been exactly for long Rackham. Raca guy. So, but as I was saying. Kyri? Yes. So the pressure that the Lakers and the Knicks have in their markets is they can only just sign make a good signing. They have to make splashy signing. You got all this cast mates to get Chris Middleton to get like one of these days, people will roast the Lakers in the Knicks mercilessly. The nets in the clippers have the advantage of yet. It will be nice when these tier one free agents. But if we don't we can still spend our money wisely breaking up over here a little bit there. And you had a good free free agency could all season cool. We can continue to build our team intelligently. Right. So for the Lakers like there's a pressure that it's gotta be splashy. But being splashy don't always mean us, the best move for you in this case, I think Kyrie Irving is a great fit. That's the most future though. Right. What about the future? What about what about post LeBron post LeBron when LeBron is finally done being the alpha? Oh or LeBron just done playing basketball as kyri the guy that can be the best player on that team moving forward. We'll do that next. Phase. Man back when babies be made man that jagged edge or be groups were thing when the scene we've lost our be group. Yeah. We've lost everyone wearing the same leather outfits. Same outfits pass shoes. Jackie had. It was always one. What a hat everybody hasn't glasses. Then it was the do with a Birch they had a few little muscles. But the. Oh. It was always like the dark and one light skin won the lice Narco sane. He didn't he was as I can't. I can't the dog skin one. Either was the main thing or the second guy that does. So formula, God didn't know that. There were all the same. Oh, it it was always fortify their saying. And it was always couple light is really dark. Do shaved. He base goatee your some. Yeah. To and he had to voice, you know, you come in. Right. Doing course line. You might say everything will be all right. Don't work off. In the video Travis at some point, it has to rain. It has it has to rain on them. And they never get wet. Top is always a car, a nice convertible. All right. There's always somebody on the wall. Dancing on the wall on the roof or something along those is always. And the girl was always looking at some kind of window always. With the waters. In a car in her apartment, but she always got a window thinking always sitting on the couch. So where like you say look it out. With her. Misery and sadness. While he's saying a homegirl that now. There's another variation. This is the one where she's sitting shotgun in a car in by another man. Clearly, she's not hash. He's not have this, man. And while the singer singing about like me, and you together again or together, you know, he doesn't love you always you had two girlfriends they was all hunting around card night into the waiting on the phone, call to come home. He hasn't picked up yet because he's off doing nails. Yeah. He's got to get to the rainstorm. Always arm stretch shirt open. Is a great detail. Do the shirt over devil's always burcin were watching different TV. Because you go in the. Waivers of that. Like, the backstreet boys. Same thing. The same thing though. Well, it wasn't a to say. So key asked you the question. I mean about the future, and if the Lakers get Kyrie, and they put the LeBron in Cairo together again that in the now it works like you said, it's a good fit. It's a good fit for the Lakers. It's a win for the Lakers. But let's assume that LeBron fish is this contract with the Lakers. And then he's done. Right. So he's got three more seasons with the Lakers at that point is kyri ready to step in and be the best player on a team that can compete at a high level or do they have to go out and replace LeBron and Kyrie still the the second guy right now. He's the best player on the team. That's ready to compete right right now. He is right now the question is four years from now. I don't know. But then again, all the names we're talking about our guys who drafted in two thousand eleven or two thousand and twelve right? Like, there's no two thousand fifteen dude that were rumored to get like, it's these guys are on the scene age group. So the question is valid but all of them, but but with that age also. For me as general manager also becomes health. Sure health has been problematic let alaso years so you can only imagine where tier three years from now. Right where we're gonna be out with that. We didn't ask any questions. Anthony davis. Same condition thing same age and also worse injury history than than Cari. No, you'll think so I don't think Anthony Davis worst, dude. If you sneeze he out for thirty five games. How many seas think carries place seventy games? How many Davis way seventy games, right? Right. Is there by Davis health history? So let's say that the kyri thing is it kyri. And then you're just done. There's nothing else that you do as a Laker. Or is it kyri and? Oh. And by the way, it's always going to be other things it it doesn't the other junk though, because you know. Larry. Or is it a big guy? It's it's probably you have the opportunity to go trail. Yeah. I heard you have the opportunity to trade for another one of those guys. You can have three monitors. Yeah. I thought the Lakers going they can sign one, and then they can still autumn other deal. So we can package up Qasimi. We could still get a D And Kyrie. Theoretically. Yes. Well, we don't have to send we send these young guys down in New Orleans in order to even be able to do it. If if they even get to their conversations, so they're all kind of things that can get done will they get done. I don't know probably not. But realistically, even if you did do that the work doesn't stop you gotta keep finding value signings. And not just do that once time. We're good. Oh, yeah. Let's try him. Now, I'm talking about finding those dudes that will eventually turn into free agents that you can't keep you find a guy who plays. So well, he gets signed for big money somewhere else. Guess what mission accomplished? You did the right thing. You just got to keep doing that over and over again chance your question. Anthony Davis has been healthier how many games as he played versus how many games should to have been available for. So the only season which he's played within the fifties was this season, which we can all say base was held out in the fifties. Kyrie Irving has three seasons in his fifties. Let me see that. Algae the source. I'm looking at and year. Okay. Sixty out of eighty to sixty six out of eighty to sixty eight out of eighty to sixty one out of eighty two original question was how many seventy game season he has to be have Z number two two. Okay. When we talk about we talking about the fact that the rest of our in a fifty. My point is this my point is and we're not talking about big, knee surgeries and all that stuff. Now. He's he's a guy who has a right say, no. No, see. I'm right point is if we're going to ask you about Irene these same questions apply. I know Anthony Davis is better than Kyrie. I'd rather franchise entities. Okay. I'm just saying if you say, hey, man, this guy that we signed the summer is you're going to be the elite, but a time lebrons on playing. I don't know. But the question is pretty vast two seasons in which which anti-daewoo has been played in has been seventies. This would have been seventies. If he wasn't killed Irving on the hand coming off back to back fifty gains, another in another reason that you say why why would I say about Kyrie, but not about AD much like you just see a one is better than better than. I'm not this franchise changing of the guard type player were kyri is not kyri a all-star type all that stuff. But he's not he's not going to change the fortunes to me of your French. I think he got to have some other around. I think he will just think you're right in that not as much as other not as much but not as much as him not as much as a choi- who also by the way, health concerns is something for him. Hill casare seem like it's fake to me what his health issues that he had a year ago. He was hurt. He was he got healthy in any decide to say, man. I what kind of what kind of what I thought about. It says he's hurt him. I just believe he's I want to go back to some. You're saying about the you've done a good job if you're signing guys who all of a sudden somebody else in the league comes and offers big money because they performed at a level that is above and beyond or the Lakers. Had they shown you anything to lead you to believe that they're capable of identifying those guys because the clippers have done that have been really good at doing that of the Lakers. Do they have the guys that are making those decisions Robin magic have they demonstrated. That are good at what you described. Well, I think a lot of those examples come from before this year. I don't know what they're thinking this year going on and get the expendable, but like before this year. Yeah. Julius. We also Jewish very that's the one of the funniest things. If you owe see Julius Randle left, and all of a sudden, he's good. He was. Good lash. Groom. Everyone's talking about men. I wish there was a way they could keep them still go out and right big money free agents, or whatever. So they couldn't they couldn't Julius Randle. I think when you look at Josh heart. He's played very well. I think if each zoo botch, he was really good, and theoretically should have been one of those guys. But from whatever reason they traded him at still. Fis does. So so cameras, Alex Caruso. I think he's I mean, I I know it always comes at the end of the year. I've been trying to. Hold on. He I'm not. I'm not saying this is going to be a star. I'm just saying you watch him play. Are you saying, oh, he ain't an NBA player? Under ingram. He could give other Ingle. As you Andre Ingram. Now look line a little bit better. Now. Dreaming a little better come on as better. Saying he's not a guy. We let see what you wanted to OSCE while you into jelly. You look 'em men. Do nothing. Cool. He should he should be one of to ten eleven twelve on the rest of exactly what. So for me like it's finding guys like that. Like you could play Olympics. You could play Alex Crusoe as a rotation player on a good team. And you wouldn't be like, oh he's getting killed every night. He would hold his. I don't know if he getting killed every night because he hasn't played every night. So I don't know. I this small this little two week window. I'm not physically, but he's on the case. On the last year. He a lot last year. And all right Virginia won the national championship. According to one. Story ever in college basketball. I you'll hear it next.

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Best Of (LaVar Ball joins the show, Byron James, Embiid + Simmons)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go back to undisputed Lavar ball back with us so before we hear from Lavar earlier this morning. Skip mention a conversation that you guys had a backup months ago in commercial breaks along always in that room and we was doing a little bit of this. Tell us more I gotta give it up to you grudgingly. I gotTA give it up to you but you told me in in it shocked me. You said my youngest is going to be my best and your youngest is on track right now very possibly to be the first overall pick in the draft which is one big reason we wanted to have you back on today so expound on that if you would please well like. I said my son's like phones I keep making them better and better and always had this concept right here. Where I'm at the moment right now. Lonzo's the Best Jello is my strongest. So he has the potential to be the best because on the next level they get bigger and faster. He liked that. Naturally Mel is going to be the best on the fact that he's the youngest more experience learning from his other brothers right. But we're told me that he's a sophomore. I guess fifteen but mostly in my family. The youngest one. My youngest brother is six seven. He's the tallest Dad's family. The youngest one is six seven and his lamelo is the youngest one. He six seven almost. He's a he's going on is going to be the tallest like I told right. Okay and we could see. I was watching the youtube clips in two thousand seventeen. But you could just see already. He had all the sort of dipsy Doo he. Yes he could pass ahead. He had Lonzo's I for passing the basketball boys compared to ball like that. That's how I taught them growing up playing like that. Sure you can teach that at the on so level you gotta teach them but you know you gotta start winning like six or seven years old okay. And that's my boy's been passing like that a long time scored. Oh yeah if we go to most your youngest has had to take a bizarre path to the NBA. To best pets is it. Why because okay. He got the focus completely on Bass could bread now back in the day. When I'm ingles back in the day. Most of the guys that play in Europe they start playing professional fourteen fifteen so now if I take my son who's an American and take him over there to Lithuania to get involved in this early so now metals not doing a a term paper in chemistry tests. And all that. He's focusing concentrating only on basketball. So was Lithuanian. Good for them develop great for him. And if you're just waking up out of a hotel when you get to practice twice a bit as opposed studying Spanish test is you never even known takes you also now. You're playing against grown men and mellow got a taste of what all superstars have to get a taste of and this is what I mean when you in high school you all star right but then when you go to college and you're not there guy and you feel that you that you have to take a back seat right now at this other kid. Rj Hampton win over Australia. Yeah Awesome High School player but when you got over there. Austrailia you like. Hey why playing coming off the bench and do a little bit of stuff here and there and you think it has a mellow already did that in. Lithuania is the best point guard but to coach is not even the game so mellow went through that little thing when he was sixteen years old wrong ways. Dan. I was going to Norway where everybody's fathers and when you see your kid being a superstar. Obviously you've seen on the bench right. Your mindset is way better than this you need to plan and you're just GONNA get lafont but we already went through that so that allow mellow to go to Australia. Beat the superstar in what happened. How did that? How did you connect? Is it New Zealand Australia thing? He went to Australia on the fact that he had already been playing against grown people. What people like to say the Mayor? Did Oh var created the J. B. as for Sun. It's no good okay the J. BA. The first time we went through there every kid graduated already melrose painting. Yes people in nineteen twenty something years old as sixteen and so now do a USA tour and guess what we play all European teams. Were grown folks. That WanNa beat me right because we got the marquee to makes one win first of all we from the US and second of all. I tell you can't beat the ball. Boys Make You. WanNa play Super Bowl. All my boys are GonNa be awesome now so now when you go to truly can play against Roman when you go to Australia. Been there done that. This was nothing new. So what are you seeing from Lamelo growth in Australia? What I say I say the same thing in Mellow mellows chasing one guy and only person each as Lonzo. That's it and he's going to be better on the fact that if you watch Lonzo Mela wants to be better right. So he's going his confidence and everything is going to be like me. I'm better than him. Better bigger helps but Lonzo still bigger stronger because the old on so but he wants he wants and describe mellows game right now for somebody who knows game is is is very creative. He feels that every shot is going in those little passes like Lonzo here and there but he wants to make everybody a rebound her conceivable deadball. You feel you could just make so many points win. That's just as he's always been Louisa point or two. He's he's more. He's always played point out of necessity. Right like okay. Lousy leaves point right but he loves to scored ball loves the score. The ball did that one time when he scored ninety two points and everybody would you think of that has the best game number at least him. I said man gentle plan score many points possible son. He loves to score right but he will make the passes and do other things. But I'd like and people always say well if him in Lonzo play together they are the best one two punch that can alternate at times. Like get a rebound. He'd no laws running throw that loan payments and the same thing with Lonzo. That's why in high school. You saw Lonzo catch a lot of lobs but they were mostly from mellow. Does HE TURNS INTO THE POINT. Guard real quick and then laws of more than say. Oh Cherry picking off because he allows him to three point we got. How closest mellow getting the man body that I see Lonzo getting now? Oh Man Body today like twenty two twenty three and that's because mom to see sees he's Caucasian and got it shoots. He probably headed man by we. Nine hundred nineteen hundred. Pows we strong back. Then you know what they're gonNA get it. They don't get their weight but they're lighter weight so they're going to be in the twenty to thirty range they never gonna be never going to be an well. Jello Jello to forty right now right and everybody. He leaned up no swallow. I just got that big body like that and the other two which is a mellow and Lonzo got more than MOM's framed along Lincoln so that's why I said they'll get about twenty to thirty. They won't get to fifty to sixty jello. So what are you hearing? Could he go one now? It could come. We gotta go one. Take this usually. You'RE GONNA take the guy who's most popular now. Rj played pretty good. I think he was a little better player than I am. Started desires popularity boosted him to one hundred J Moran come for Murray State and be number two because you the best guard in there so mellow happens to be both. He's the most popular and the Best Garden. How you don't go number one. If you want your franchise you gotta put people in them seats. Don't you think you looking at the top five worse records you're looking at warriors cab? Wolves hawks mix right. You go number one at the cavs. Cavs the hawks trae. You WanNa see what I what I tried yet. No I want to see him in the best situation. Whatever it costs going to let him loose and do his. That's what I WANNA see so it don't matter where you go now you can go to a certain place over here where the coach is not. GonNa play right right. You know what I need even to be free and meet him to win and the only way he can do that is not having no restrictions. Letting do what he does so whoever gonNA give him the best of that so he needs the real need degree like man trae. Geico trae still trae. Y'All got the green light over only. It turned red. I mean he's always been like that for that like I said I'll look at something. Like vision is a little different and like I said my other son Jello right. That's the one who needs to go. Wherever Mellow Goes Jilani to go. Now you got something special okay. So so what's mellow ceiling project? Him compare him what. What could he be? Mellow mellow could be something. New People Ain't saying before because just because he he's different all the way around. He's different all the way around. I mean from the way he plays the game. He's both hands. He would either want the dribbling. He loves the excitement of making shots dribbling around people he likes to win in the past and it's just a different type in. I mean he's loud about it too but he got shot. The world shocked the world because Lonzo is not loud about it so mindset personality. Completely the flip side right. We're not completely the flip side. I think If if you get Lonzo with his brothers he'll get a little but as far as the public nozzles more. He's he's not going to say he's going to show you right. It's going every now and then but you never know sometimes when you're watching plate now at least with the Pelicans he'll do something it won't be good about it now or or he'll he'll complain to arrest man before he he cool go okay so obviously before. Lonzo was drafted here by magic. With the Lakers. There was some issue is Lavar going to be too involved because they're locals. Do you think there's going to be any misgivings about? Should we take Lamelo because we're going to have to take Lavar in especially if you like? I said the same thing man if if people going on a narrative of what? I'm doing you'll need muscle anyway. That's the way I look at because like I said I'm never going away. I'm always going to be his father. It's just like the narrative that people wanNA use right now like I say there's no pressure on Lonzo. He's away from his dad. Well here's a thought every day and I'm going to be his father forever. Only thing different about this situation is the coaching and whoever believes in Lonzo and sometimes when I tell them the best way to coach him or the best way to do this why from experience or coaching him all his life I can give you some input on what makes him go on how he feels about the game. Okay and Gentry's say on Lavar ball is still with us so we did talk about Lamelo earlier but I wanNA talk a little bit more about Lonzo and just how this transition has been for him with the Pelicans take us into. How he's doing well allows was doing great. I like I said when you have a coach believing and let you do what you're supposed to do. And it took a little turmoil. Air has him coming off the bench and not coaching staff not a role player. He's a superstar with Lonzo. Does is makes everybody better. That's what you gotTa let him. Do you put Zion somewhere else. You're not going to be a successful with Lonzo. I mean a success whereas right now get their Moslem Gita ball with their past and look to just like that keep them in Rhythm Nubia thirty point score not hang with it just like brandon. Ingram been playing for the Lakers. But you play one season also now you all star. Dass what he does. He have been nickel plate but Lonzo kick that ball back to them hitting threes. Now now look at the culture of the team. Them boys is passing the ball. You Ain't never had drew holiday. Get this but when you make everybody start playing like you. Now that it's going to be hard to beat them. Heart Lonzo went nineteen nine nine. Gets THE LAKERS. The other. That's simple stuff. He has little simplifying dismissing every shop. Making layups sprinting. Down the court outrunning everybody and another thing. Which is he's he's working out after the game before the Games I told him I said Man. You still have to work out when work was just going to practice what you do right You gotTA lifting weights. Yeah so go back into the issues you had with Luke Walton because you thought it stunted Lonzo's growth because definitely yeah if you're gonNA play name like don't put him in six minutes and then take about six minutes no matter what because six minutes when you sitting on a bench. Six minutes on the bench is more in real time like thirty minutes. So now you've got one hundred miles an hour and then you sing. I want all this stuff. And then you not believing you got Rondo bringing a ball a bomb bringing the ball up coups bringing the ball England being in a ball. You've got too many people bringing all right so nobody's running away and then when you stuck him in that corner I was like. How do you advocate? Who makes everybody better and you put them in a corner one to do in the in the corner. You better do shoot. You're not gonNA pass it right when you've got a path through the other side. No you gotta be at the top where you can swing the ball. Keep things going you know. So and he never had confidence in him in that fourth. Was there ever any personal issue? Between Luke and Lonzo. Did they clash or no? No no because Luke Luke. Philosophy was was more like normal philosophy. When you come in as a rookie you get under. Somebody's wing right but also I never been under. Nobody's Wayne because he always been a leader right. You've been leader from day. One so you come in there and let him lead. They felt it should have been a little different. Where the veterans need to do this first and this and that and you can't play the whole game Lonzo's the guy who could play the whole game without getting tired. Why because he win the push the ball and he know when throw them long passes and not be tired energy defense. Nothing offices title office and I'm always prime all my boys. Play the whole game folks with my condition is amazing but like I said when you rest after the game is over many hours you want plan with Zion with the talk to you. What's it like playing with Zairean? Attention TO HOOPLA GOES AROUND. Great Plan was on. Here's the thing which is great about Lonzo. I love the fact that you talk about you. Talk about jobs. You Talk About Brandon. Ingram gotta talk about so and so promotes all those guys. He does like this. And that's that was good about him. So it's never gonNA wavering. Where in some situations? If let's say mean you any everybody's been talking about me all of a sudden you come back and they talked about so now. I'm a press right. That's backup so they can start talking about me right. That's how normal people think But Lonzo is like man. You give me some guys. I got enough people who could put the ball on the whole. I gotTA keep Happy Right. And so that's what makes it so easy for him. Because Brandon put on hold true can put in a hole in Zion. Boy just runs and jumps. You'RE GONNA get thirty points. Easy and zone knows how to find him. I mean he he. He's knowing how how up everybody this story to me his cell right over that news and talk and in. Here's the thing with with Zion. He don't have to face all that pressure in zones like I'll take all that loose whatever member I get you right the ball. Just get where you're supposed to be right guilty. So what's Zion ceiling? What how you has a great ceiling. Everybody's always worried about you. Know he's so heavy he'd been heavy jumping like that a long time and then everybody. About twelve or fifteen years ago by them but win for him to break down and then finally when they told you somebody on fifteen goodyear's got a big body. He built like that one of them. Big country was because my partner across the table is still dubious about as modern thing. That concerns me. He has unbelievable but to jump. He's never played eighty two and to do that. You know I mean do it. Over and over. And that's a lot of weight jump in and he jumped quit yes he. I've never seen anybody like that. He might condition his body for that he might be conditioned for. Nobody ever seen somebody like that. So you have to be negative about it on the fact that you haven't seen been haven't seen it done but we've seen him as he gets. He gets a little mix in a summer league. He misses any. Mrs What the first thing you'd WanNa missed out on the fact that welcome to the big time you ain't working out no more too busy doing interviews and this and that you you're not gonNA work you know you're not gonNA write you. Don't do a lot of things right because you caught up nineteen years old. You've got to be caught up in the starter right like who? You don't know what to do young but once you learn how to take care of your body and do what you're supposed to do. Yeah You because Zion League this League in Scoring Regularly Zion. Meet this league in scoring lewd to my other son. Get there when Gel here. You can forget it it's over. It's over Yeah Jealous. Always been the best score everywhere you go and I'm telling this when you get into the NBA. Within three years I guarantee you that guaranteed Mellow Jello Jello. I'm talking about Jello. Your middle. The Middle Son is going to lead the League in scoring Lavar. I gotTA call you. Call Me Baby. I'll be back up here when he knows no. Mcafee what he does so by the way we talk about this in the break he yellow of now playing for the Okay Seal Blue Blue League on the practice squad right now because they can't plane because he could be snatched anybody would want to sign him right but you're hoping that he lands wherever Mellow Lands Summer League so he can get with someone who's going to differ star. He's going to get that little. Look that's all he just WANNA play. And that's the thing where people everything they say that melons. Oh can't do this one can do. Hey stronger faster. Seychelles hired guy. Six seven six seven at like two thirty five thirty five. We thought he was stopped. Growing jello would have been a junior right now. You've been coming out in June. So he's he's going to do his thing but he's here's the thing you you play with his brother he run out every time and the thing is he kissed the heck out of the ball you know how to position. His body like a tight end. Hold you off and catch the ball. And he got jump hooks in the lane and he could shoot three pointer at a high clip. You better shoot it in our mellowing way. Better way better. What does is clue like three point shooter? Three point shooter distances better. Here's the thing Lonzo shoots a kind of a shot mellow to same thing jealous. Usa Jump Right guys jumpers a little bit better so Jello has all strength but he he can judge because he jumps so high and he's right here all the time. All you gotTa do is this as opposed when you sit in the set shot as you get stronger. You gotTa ease up a little bit. It's kind of hard to judge so last on. You still have this dream that you could get all three sons together for a while. It was you targeted Phoenix. Remember right right. So here's the thing that they're visiting all be on the same team and hopefully sooner than later because you're going to speak into existence right and we saw on bill because spoke to other was into this. Now I just gotTa make it happen. You gotTa Make It. Why why are you so seemingly? He'll be in all three of them playing together offering them playing together because the chemistry is unreal unreal. Last time like I said in high school as babies they ran through the high school circuit and scoring one hundred points a game so now is grown man. I want to see it. They probably have forty to fifty a quarter if they play. Because it's going to be very very fast. You'd think Lonzo throwing three or four long passes now Heathrow ten fifteen a game with Jello maybe twenty with Mel because he knows both of them are going to take off full speed in each corner every time. So now you've got him. Just slamming a ball take it out of bounds. Goal was ever open. You look this way thought. Ob now this one is three point. Miller got a rebound now. When you got us both success in six eight out rebound all the guards when this guy shoots the ball Raza posted. This guy just wanted like get the ball so it's a tandem. It goes back and forth but now when you throw it's a mellow thought to a guy who can shoot but you also have a guy who can make a good decision with the ball like a point guard so how you can orchestrate getting Lonzo and mellow together because that's the tough one because they're going to be off into different situations situations they are is actually kind of same situation and what. I mean by that is we have to wait for years. When MELALEUCA contract is over and Lonzo's contracts second one is over and then guess what makes so much money off the court. They won't care how much they get in. They'll make a decision like we're all going to the same place. They WANNA play together. We all WANNA play together. That's the best thing ever. It's like you know no no no. If you raise your raising be together so much especially like this. It won't even be like work. It's like going on a road trip the whole time which are brothers so it's not like the other thing is the losing so when they lose together they're going to ban figure this combination how to win and it's better to keep winning these championships where you don't worry about the money right now. It's hard to win a lot of championships. Why because whichever team wins. Now you start picking him apart by. We'll give you more money. We give you more money. Do I stay with us? They would just tape. Oh go clippers fly at the last thing on Lonzo. Has It helped. Or how much is it helped? Lonzo to be out of Los Angeles where he grew just out from under all of this. Laker pressure in nothing. It doesn't here's the thing can go anywhere. It's just having a coach. Believe it okay so whether you playing Oklahoma. La Is. There's no pressure play basketball. Especially if you this is something that you love and you get paid for it. There's no pressure if you WANNA be the best or you don't or you just want to slide on by and eventually you'll slide right on if you ask the best in the world you don't worry about the has. It helped not to have you at the game every night. If I was at the game every night he averaged a triple double Bagel head start with L. If I was at the game every triple double autumn. I'm on a word you ain't got what you must have seen me. When I was at the New York mixed game sitting on the floor had him right. I was on voice command of that. I was voice command. I'm GonNa tell you okay. So why? Why didn't he fly in for every game? Then why don't you go to every Lonzo game? He'll average. You can't fly in every game. That's being selfish. Spread to other sons anti-business. We've got a pro. Plus you got you got mom at home. That's another thing boys Brady all next thing. I know I'll bet you. Okay Okay you saying that up here you'd be hanging would've welcome back to undisputed of our ball still with us so obviously the Lakers clippers rivalry here in la. It continues the heat up skip Shannon. They are split on who they are going to go with. It's time to ask Lavar. Who Do you got? Who was the better team in? La The better team. Elliott is the clippers. You said it'd take me off the noise the clip tick you off. They got a few more dogs over there. They got some got some unit. They've got more dolls in the first unit. I'm just saying they. The way they are in sync with doc is their chemistry to. You won't play some defense. We lock up with two guys. Six seven six eight. Paul George. You get shots off. Did you see what Jason Tatum? Who who is Jason? Thank you put thirty nine on on Koa here. Did you see what shakes did? They win. Beat them with the points. Beat them best game ever and we got some form on Sunday. Do just for you. You have anything we got in this. This week is going to be good Jason Table For forty again. We will be going to skip bayless. We're going to do someday philly tonight. Go Take Milwaukee on Friday and I got on on Sunday. Better not nothing. You can forget that three hundred dollars this week. Not Three three eight. Oh what part about three in. The three zero undefeated defeated this week alone. This man is just said. Oh so why go play? Why TAKE OFF? He played like every other game. Maybe three game where they just make sure knees don't hurt him. GotTa be precautionary method. What ABOUT POWER DOORS? Good you go to the doors. You should be good. Good Lebron's year so far you see an embassy abroad because they will do nothing but take him out the equation. That's a wrap thank you. You take the quiz rep playing better than your seventeen to you. Even thought he would play. No no he's still strong. He's still I knew the strongest in the fan man. What Guard beat the Lakers easy? Because I'm a double team him and a whole game I don't care what coomer everybody else do but I'm going to be so tired and it's just like the Brown won't WanNa go begging me and he's stronger and they'll let him. Don't let him get shooting and breeze wrapped in the one. He shot the other day. What that that made me think of my old days. Excuse me when I had when I had the boys playing against high school players when they were like the seventh and eighth grade and I was like these losers Dunkin and by the time they dunk. Zillow you guys got to shoot from Half Court to stop all screaming Zion. Throw it down before they can screen out from three point half court. I was like boy. That's how you do it. That's how you set them up. That's how you but I was going to do that once. Don't the heck out of playoffs too many of those. We don't just drew holiday on him in the low post. You can't cut me. That's Josh Josh. Hardly just be anybody up. We ain't got no crops. Would MIEKEL MILLIONS NICKEL ALUMINIUM? Do some other stuff man frustrated but he got that girth so speaking accused. Ma When your son in coups more teammates they used to go back and forth on social media whereas Kouzmanis career right. Now what are you seeing? Oh I say too much then. 'cause I ain't paying attention to them you know I got three boys. I gotTA focus on them. I can't be like let me look at this other guys. He would he do to a much. Could if you keep trying already knew we were going to do much. It'll have Lonzo ball. He he probably mad. He said we can get over there with the Pelicans Josh heart you look good problem. Be I went to the All Star game. That's cool problem. That was worth that it could happen. Be At 'cause he's he believes in his mind he's better than be assured where he went to the. All Star game gaining and the thing is with him. He has no value if he doesn't score because he doesn't facilitate and he doesn't play any Utah trae young at least trae young guys legitimacy he only five eleven maybe six CAL Kuzina six foot seven six hundred eight. There's no reason and he doesn't even try score so Lavar. I'm assuming you think the PELICANS featuring your son will creep up and win that eight spot. Now they're going to get it. Well that would probably mean they would face. Lonzo's team the Lakers in round one. Yes and what would happen? The Lakers were Lou. Lou says what. I say BAR MODEM TYPE OF PROBLEMS. No them no you. Don't I want them? No you don't let me tell you what. Let me tell you why. You've got my son in different boat. Which is going to be never seen him in playoff mode. And you ain't never seen him in ravines moat you now you know what? Lebron is like an playoff mode. We add the bait. Do you remember. What do you remember last activated to activate Zo with all that story last year? He acts here. We heard. We're not activating dishing that we gave a little sample. We gave a little sample on Sunday. What stouffer you really see it. All playing out perfectly. Where the Lakers? GotTa keep beating on the Pelicans when it don't count when all the mob is on the table thanks it. Was it what you do. We beaching playoffs these ego bruise. I got to thinking. Well we're going to send you home early stopping and you won't be known for for Sydney Lakers weep. Say you know how you know how you play those teams man and the team is sorry as heck and they play one good series and they only care about the Tamsui Long. They'd beat that one thing. Yawkey y'all hey y'all you won't win a game boy. I'll bring you a boatload of big baller brand if they don't win the game y'all come to the way I'll pick what you want swell swoop and say that you'll live on June the world. You are you serious now. Would they ask clothing win? One game on issues so many threes once into what happens when they make okay. Our Four Games. Twenty five percents. All I know sweet I got go already. Know What are you GonNa? Do you already know going thirty. But he got to do it for. Can you think he gets four hundred and twenty points? He already did come you in a in a short span when you have a seven game series. He will wear down. No he won't because guess what you play every other day and then when they go on the road they get two days in between. That's just enough time. Not Enough time enough. Time when you're thirty under thirty five no making only thirty five tail player. Twenty-five you will see his tongue out in wt with anybody doing double team him. Throw that ball away when you tack guarantee thirteen cents with the other night. No Okay no double team. Yeah Y'ALL ZO. Will push the pay via yard up and down then you still barely with no shoot we get. Ad Back Do Hinder U. Forty eight eighty of Mingo off a forty unit. They go for forty to forty two nights in a row. And you know going to lose forty two Lebron like that. You saw the first half on Sunday. He had nineteen half. And then what are you doing is don't be on him in the playoffs? Ain't pressure Lebron. Why not the person you know what pressure they gave him giving him everything and he's having a best career like you said that. I you're going to load up on him frazier. Russia's wearing team is what you feel when you don't know what you do with a new press in Cleveland. That's when you from but I'm GonNa tell you what these folks in La Different. If different. I'll get a statue to we will have a statute of the PELICANS. And the I I just. We know what's going to happen so you realize Lavar Ball just predicted the the most shocking upset in the history of the NBA playoffs. Pelicans over Lakers four to two in round one right. Lamar got a better chance of growing dribs than that happening Niki. I gotTA had withdrawn. Its own doing jury. Is that it's over. You'll believe speaking of big baller brand. Yes it stand now. We're liberal plan is fine man. It's like I say we relaunched re redirected everything God more personnel. And just just a little smarter at the game and you know any any business. I think that you start Everybody's talking about bumps and bruises bumps and bruises. It's just like this. If you WANNA get better you're GONNA have to make change. And that's what I've done. It's not a big deal and like I said everybody's always talking about the boys. Don't do this at the boys. The boys are always going to be with family brand. So here's the thing I would do like everybody else. I will find some other representation who I feel that represents a big baller brand and a certain way and he got superstar coming up all the time. I wouldn't want that situation right. Not only person that could shut down. Big baller brand is me. If I don't WanNa do it. No more stops. But as far as Bob Boys and the brand going up. I've see something successful among keep striving at it and that's all it is What was the biggest single mistake you look back on and say? I shouldn't have done that but I'm not gonNA look back and say I shouldn't have done anything because I I look at things like this if it doesn't happen for every reason that you don't go that way because sometimes when you take things back then you're not in a situation that you went I'll give you I'll give you a scenario is probably my sound good and might not Jello okay if Jello never took the the glasses okay. That's a bad thing on that part but it catapulted us forward because now I don't take the boys out I don't create the I don't go get the water overseas. I don't take Melania and get to Australia right. None of this stuff happens without Jello. Did Win and so I look at it. As I told him it was bad thing to do but it was took one for the team right which allowed us to go even further. And now if we don't have these things let's say it's a big contract and we get all this money and now we in this situation. I call them the Rudy boot. We had rudy. Pook take any not one point five but how about ten point. Five hundred seventy thousand seventy milk. So I'll figure in order for me to go forward. I had to shoot back. I in order to spring forward to get a little more knowledgeable about a lot of things right. So is this growth. So now you've got your finger on everything exactly exactly and that's what I wasn't doing before it was like okay. Got You got idea. Talk to my man. Talk to Him. He get it from as opposed to see the situation. Here you've got upgrade the quality the quality. But here's the thing. If if I'm sending you out to get the quality you go on. Oh it's a better price. Rain was something might cost. Seven dollars in over here to quality is a little bit better for ten. But he's like I'm trying to save money so he's GonNa get this and just go home like no let me go tan get the quality. He was having to change. Well we're talking about a shoot. Nobody ever got and what people don't understand in the beginning. I let Lonzo Lonzo's design that you and I said that ain't GonNa work. So that's why we had the remix which is like okay. This is going to be a little bit better if I let him do his thing. That's what you came up with. I'm trying to give you freedom brand. Don't own but my brands as our brain is look like exactly but it doesn't matter it's like you got to be the one where you don't want to make field right but here's the thing like. I said if you talk about a shoot it nobody ever. Here's another thing. He had some great games with the remix right so I explained to him. Ain't got nothing to do with your shoes. You could plant some samples isn't a perfect preparation is not the same. Because I told you in this lead you have to get bigger and stronger and faster. What are you doing to do that? And he was doing nothing to get bigger stronger faster all right now. You well said so. Sum this up force. Yes your youngest son. If you could pick a spot for him to go first overall in the draft he would go to which teams won't be the very best fit in your eyes for the best fit in. My Eyes is New York New York Knicks. Okay because I know I know mellow mellow is is a big city. Guy Liked Lights. He likes that. We love it so everybody talking about you know the city type of thing. Cleveland ALREADY LIVED IN CLEVELAND. Cold weather like that. And especially if you're not going to be inside with a lot of bright lights so so I think it's about time for New York. I kind of feel they're gonNA get the first pick on the fact that they they missed it so many times and it's time for something good to happen. I thought they had a great chance last year. That's what I'm saying. Massage Patrick Ewing Ball and eighty five. Hey we gotta speak that went into existence New Yorker be great for. I think his father would like the bright lights. Also New York right. I'M GONNA have bright lights if I go to Africa GonNa Follow me. 'cause this Lavar good to have a guys. Yes yes we still at it. That's what I'm saying. It's been a long time. You don't expect the no brainer stay around for three years. We've been around three years now. You STILL BE CRAZY. This appreciate you being ears? So the eagles have just over forty million and cap space heading into the off season and according to reports they're expected to go all in on cowboys. Cornerback Byron Jones in the free agent market phillies corners struggled in pass coverage last season and according to Pro Football Focus Jones defensive rating landed him in the top twenty four the position so Shannon of a loss. Would this be for the cowboys they do? Realize like top twenty position is not good you say dot T. It okay got tweeted but anyway skill outlook it would be. It'll be a blow because I think he's one of the better defenders but the cowboys factor. This end you understand that when you draft players there is becomes cost prohibitive that you can keep everybody you still got. You still got you. GotTa Mari on the Office side that you need to take care of their the priorities. And then you've given demarcus Lawrence you give and Smith Skip so there's only so much money to go around as you mentioned. There's something called a cab. Now I know scale Betas going to be talking about you know dad if that would go you know we might be able to do. No no go to the low so the Marcos can you give up about three million dollars mayor R. J. Locate. You give everybody off his alignment. I need all you ought to give up the two so we keep him or by the way if I'm owners you think y'all can instead of giving up forty eight percent bigger fifty fifty and then I think about it. 'cause y'all don't WANNA give up no money down. We get some money back back to Byron Jones. Baron Joel Skip. He would help because automatically. He's better than anything. They got in the secondary. Obviously that. Yeah but it's not a death blow. Now they got Amari Cooper. That would be a crippling book blow to the cowboy boots game. You obviously anytime you can take something away and then you can add it to the the RIBOT can add it. Obviously it hurts but Stefan Gilmore. Now you tell me. He was. Stefan Gilmore ooh belly trouble. But he ain't that okay my turn and I got a whole lot to say about this one. The Eagles can have Byron Jones. You can pay him seventeen million in God bless because he will do nothing but continue to frustrate you and I'm so happy. We're doing this topic today on the heels of the combine when we all watched the Olympics that is the weekend combine this man Byron Jones was the all time workout warrior at combines. Phenomenal never been anything quite like him. Except maybe Mike Moolah but I think this kid was even beyond Mike. Malloy Agree Byron Jones. Who measured six one on one hundred ninety nine pounds so pretty big big corner corner? He ran for four three which is pretty great pretty great but more important. Byron Jones at his combine he set the world record for the standing broad. Jump the world record of the combat the WORL- world watch this the world record. It's one hundred and forty seven inches. I don't know what that means but that just looks far with really easy. Twelve with three because it's twelve inches. Yes right now. And then he goes vertical and it was the third highest vertical vertical among all players. Over the last fifteen combines. Okay so he comes into the combine ranked the twenty fifth best quarterback about this. You ranked twenty fifth on the quarterback list. And you leave the combine as a first round pick. Yes and my Dallas cowboys. Said we gotta have that. So they're they're picking twenty seventh overall and they take him at the bottom of first round and I'm like okay. I knew a little about him because the point I was in Bristol Connecticut and he went to what's called. Saint Paul's Catholic. And we're still new went to Uconn so I got all the athletic. He's off the charts athletic right and then it started and I started to watch him and he can really cover he can really get up into. You can press you. He can do just about anything athletically. You WanNA corner to this. Goes BACK TO BRITAIN Tocchet. I'm getting back to this. He has no instinct or hands for catching the football. He gets no hands on no. Football's he caught. I'm sorry intercepted one pass in twenty sixteen and one in two thousand seventeen period end of story none in two thousand eighteen hundred twenty nine thousand nine. I don't even remember him getting his hands on a ball last year where he gives it handles ball skipped but at that size if he if he could catch he'd be receiver. Well the reason why he's a little guy like dion sanders could actually catch the ball. Rod Woodson get excellent catch. Catch the ball so in my history doing this job. I have known coach Herman Edwards. Who was a very good cornerback for the Philadelphia? Eagles undrafted he goes to eagles camp with like thirty. Db's and not only makes the team as a rookie Herman Edwards. He starts for a really good eagles team and leads them in interceptions and I've talked to him for hours about this just born with it. You can't teach it. You can't coach it it's instinct. It's anticipation its nose for the football. Honey Badger has it. We're going to get your hands on. Footballs and a lot of times. You're going to catch the fair and read. It had had listen. Dion had it. They wouldn't throw any more. Yeah I went through this longtime cowboy fans. Everson walls is. I don't believe everything he couldn't run and jump he couldn't do any of this comback. Just caught footballs. You say quick. Throw it adding now. Pigs rookies good. Okay it's just natural. It's like a blessing. Thank you Byron. Doesn't have that blessing so he. He frustrates me to no end. Because you have to to be able to create turnovers right if you don't you're not GonNa win and they did wrong last year. They couldn't create invest. What to expect when you start playing defensive guys you start paying fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen twenty million dollars. They gotTa Create Journal Aaron Donald Khalil. Mack The von Miller's. What do they do they create turnovers? You got to be able to get. The ball is just not good enough. Knocked the ball down. Now you have to give your office extra possessions. And he doesn't do that but skip compared to what the hell he's light years a bull so Mr Sharp what play in the history of this show has haunted me almost as much as the desk caught it play which actually happened when I was on the other show can this is. This is my genie. This this is all is about. It's about third and twenty from the packers. Thirty two in the Twenty Sixteen Season Playoff game at Gerry World. Aaron rose to his left and just flips. It up the sideline and I'm saying Byron. Where are you Byron? He's Qena Jared. Cook goes all the way across the field and runs right across his face. Just go cover him. Where are its third and twenty twenty? You can't do that to me. Believe that Aaron Rodgers can make that throw. They're the only two guys that can make that Roy. His hobos mind drifted. He just lost touch with reality for second. What are you doing here? He's looking he's thinking there's no way he's going to throw this ball and they trajectory in the angle of Wichita remember skill. He's running. He's running to his live now. He has to walk normally when you run the ball out of bounds. But he has to put it in jared. He went to jared picks. Yes it was. He flipped it up the sideline. Baylor I am I gonNA throw. We had drew brees on the show. It drew refit only air. Rudge's could've made that throwing drew. Brees threw my gosh. It's just. They're playing almost preventing in Orlando Scandal. Whom we have on the show said he was on the back line of the defense. They were clear back at the twenty yard line but Byron Jones had some underneath responsibility and just zones out so to speak. And let's jared cook run right across his face because he came from the opposite side all the way across the field and Aaron called a sweet play because he said let's move the all the way to the left and nobody got home and he just stood still and just flipped it up the sideline and I'm saying Byron Jones. Where are you? Where is your brain giving Rogers ahead upscale? Because he must've new pressure was coming. Because in the process of dashing he runs away from the blitz. They peeled they seal the inside. Which allowed him to get outside. There's not like olive. There's two guys currently played that can make that throw case was in Kansas City and the other than green was thirty five yards. Dak Prescott. Does he could. He could throw thirty five yards. I down and all of a sudden you have one last. Gasp fifty six yard field goal which hooks to the left and then that is in the right. I don't know how I've never seen a ball do that. Before it hooked left and then it suddenly faded right for no apparent reason hand of God and by the hand of God they stole display off thirty four to told you go happen. Yeah and it was all because of Byron Jones empty calories so enjoy your okay. What's he come back? Six pigs mixture fixed. Well then I say God bless you might get to old back really. Everybody gets you old. I think we might get him twice deep. No no no no no. We're getting bide up underneath hard. Oh he you know all of that route on Amari also push gone. He Know Marvin going against a one on one in practice audible subtleties. Yep good hand. Owning Noah buffy bumping Bruyneel Gilmore did to. It made him quit the Obama cry on the side Z. Both Ben Simmons and Joel embiid remain out due to injuries and unfortunately will miss the seventy sixers game against the Lakers tonight while the return date is uncertain head. Coach Brown thinks that their future is bright in Philly. Browns said he is convinced. The duo will win a championship and can coexist as stars. Brown continued saying that most pairs of stars who win. Titles are much older than the twenty-three-year-old Simmons and soon to be twenty six year. Old Beads or Shannon. Will Beedon Simmons. Win a championship together. I don't see it and I'll see what Brian is saying this gift. He's on the hot seat and they might but he he wants to if they do wanNA title he wants to be around coaching. I'd say and I think that's what he's doing here skipping. And the thing is he and he goes on with insurance give he mentioned some of the. Great duos magic and Kareem and shacking Colby David Robinson and Tim Duncan so i WanNa know which one of the guys about the jump at age seven years because magic was what twenty years old and Korean was thirty two thirty three. Yeah Shaq and Kobe. Twenty and twenty seven twenty eight. Yeah and Tim Duncan was twenty two but David Robinson would like exactly so when I look at these guys. These guys are very good players in remote. Okay if you want to say great. But they don't really complement each other. If Ben Simmons you tell me Ben Simmons over the next two years is going to develop our eighteen foot jump shot. I said okay. Skip you might be onto something but when I look at this. Are they going to be better than the I'm assuming don't know that. For one hundred percent certainty. Janas is going to resign with the bugs. Are they going to jump over the bucks? Jason Tatum Jalen Brown. Marcus smart aren't going anywhere. Are they going to be better to Toronto? Because the outcome and Vanfleet an annuity there side the heat or getting better so how wind skip you. Look at you. Look at Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons plays better when Joel Embiid is not in the lineup due to play. Better Win Ben Simmons. And Not in the lineup. Well how do you? How do you WANNA championships like that? You need to be able to put forth this effort when you're both on the court together. The thing is that shock and Kareem were conventional bigs. They played with their back against the basket. Joel embiid want to be a stretch five. He WanNa hang around with report. Lack of this cool skip you know shake shack. Never got the credit that he deserved. He didn't shoot threes. But now you get big guy that can shoot. Three's all he and he got range up to three point. What good is that? Give me shack dominating. The paint gave me thirty eight and sixteen in the playoff. I'll take that so I don't see it skip. I Mi Hopefully. I'm wrong but I just don't see it because I don't see these guys complementing each other. You could be right. It looks like I'm very wrong because silly me. I picked these two to carry this team to this year's Eastern Conference Championship. I thought Al Horford. Who's now like thirty thirty five ish? I thought he'd be the big terrible. He's been terrible but I thought he would be. The veteran influence that the two kids needed to grow up around. You know they'd say oh that's how he would show them the ropes of how to be pro basketball players and all that. I ever hear about these two from the inside out. Is there still a little more interested in partying and playing video games than winning? Nba Championships. And you can see it in their body language from night to night. They're cutting into it and then they're kinda not into it right but on a nightly basis when I watched them when they're healthy. Ben Is not healthy right now and it looks like he could be gone the year so now all bets are off this year. But we're talking about down the road right the near future. They're nights I look at Joel embiid and I say that's the best offense a big man in basketball ain't even close and when he's engaged that's the best rim protector and basketball kazeem is seven feet tall and he's agile leap and there are nights when. I Watch Ben Simmons engaged and I don't mean off the court I mean on the court when when he is engaged. I say there's Magic Johnson the next magic echoes. He's six feet ten inches tall. He has the gift of passing the basketball and orchestrating an often he can rebound at a high level and he can flat out when he decides ICAN attack the Bassett. He is hard to keep from the rim when he swoops two. Yup Right ambidextrous has got all the stuff the rent. He just can't shoot a lick right. Having a hard time shooting free throws Jordan. He's improved lease up to sixty three percent. Which is still not good enough but it's better right but the irony of the two. Is the taller? Guy Is the much better perimeter shooter and has much more desired issue perimeter shots than the sixteen guy would not be the case. But the point is. Don't don't underestimate this. They still came within a miracle. Shot by Kawhi Leonard of getting to the conference. Fine right last year right. It took a miracle was a lucky shot I've ever seen. Nba Playoff history. I still haven't quite gotten over it but way to go coli you pulled it off. It only balanced eight times on the rim time short. That's from the corner and then four times long in it fell in in. That shot kept that team from going forward and I would have given him a good shot to beat the box I would have but the thing is is that that might be as close as they get Mike. You mentioned that Ben. Simmons is hurt. Tell me the time when Joel. Embiid is hurt remember. He missed playoff game because of injury but he always hurt or sick. Yes hurt even baby. Maybe maybe need me on a girl. Gerber baby well. He definitely wouldn't a Gerber baby because they don't get sick like this here okay. He always got stomach issues. Okay but I'm going to remind you games. They've started together in the regular season right. There are one hundred seven and fifty five. That's the fourth best record over that span. Okay right so that's not bad right. Didn't that show you firepower? But come playoff time skip. Look Ben Simmons would be if you look at when Joel Embiid is not there. They got three points shooters on the court and guess what skip he drives kick boom almost like the White House when he orlando. He was surrounded with snipers gift and he got all the way to the finals. Okay but in ceiling as a tandem we got Lebron AD. I can't match that right but then we go to maybe Kadian Kyrenia as tandem right potential. George Okay definitely quite Paul George and we go steph clay if you WANNA throw them back together but as a tandem on potential at ages. Twenty three and twenty five. You're still saying wait. A second right skill is Joel. Embiid is going to be healthy enough for stretching the Kennedy stay healthy. Let's say skip for two years three years so they can stay together. Stay on the court together. I haven't seen it. He came into the League injured. And he's been that way fits then all of a sudden he got some freaky sort of shoulder cost him about three games. But he's do back. Yes not ending this season right right. I mean been Scott a series. But the thing you'll look the celtics are going to get better. They'll they'll see you're talking about Ben. Simmons twenty-three Jason. Tatum was younger. Those guys are younger. Jalen Brown Marcus Mar Gordon Hayward they got a nice team but you have to admit these are extraordinary. Young talent ordinary. Like rare tab. Both of them skip. Look two things can be true. You can lie gravy. You could like ice cream. Doesn't mean they need to go together to good-paying who I love Gravy gravy. I do too like I agree to you WANNA get. I don't like either one you thought of gravy on ice cream is just back. That's what I'm saying. Just go together. Yeah she's drink. Pure fat go loves while the Fried Chicken smothered pork chops to get a good miss. Good Meal Yeah. Think about doing a show kitchen. We'll go. We'll go travel country to the best soul food really getting giant out. Yeah I gotta learn all this whole foods. Yes did he learn how your your alley? I'm going to remind you again Joel. Embiid as we speak as office. He's been all year and hit and miss up and down into and out of it. And he's averaging twenty three and twelve and he's the fifth ranked defensive wind shares player. So he this high level. This is all star superstar numbers that he's you reduce them beach and never have a game in which he has led attempts get zero point. Hey that's what's wrong. What's wrong with both of them? I just don't know how badly they wanted. But if they ever snap out of it and I don't know I thought again I thought Al Horford would be able to walk in that Locker Room and say you guys don't get it. I'm going to show you how to be much happier than you right now. Right well the thing skipping you watch being the summer they post and playing the game the UCLA and he's hitting shots. It three just just shooting at least just shoot them. Even if they don't even go inskip he got at least scare somebody to make him. Thank you can make it. It's almost worse. When you see the potential and it's so inconsistent so they've got time Guys I got to interrupt because you've got a special guest here. Lavar ball is back joining. Hey Look I say with the with the brand and meet altogether I got you got some special man like this is for you right here. Thank you this is special. That's how we move back with you and it's really nice understatement gifts. That's a good talking to you back to some two British special. We gotTA bring it out. They do stick. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join US again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then of more.

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Full Show (Anthony Davis + LeBron James, Lakers' championship hopes, Kawhi Leonard, Pelicans)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Welcome to didn't live from office Angeles, everybody. Good morning. I'm Jen nail. Here was skip Bayless and the goat. I think it's Shannon Sharpe. Good morning. To go. I got a question. Yes. Liar. Are we celebrating? Michael Jordan today. Did he do keep Kimba? I don't know what did he do. We're talking about the goat, right? Why would you let me have my moment? Wait a second. Are we still reaching back for the same tired, lame defunct argument that you had to give up last year? In that what we get club shave back open. Now, we something happened Saturday night. And you were tweeting busy tweeting, I need to stop tweeting on a Saturday night. You should've been taking her every night, you should be Turkey, Ernestine out, you can ask her. I tweeted from the dinner table from the restaurant table. I tweeted five times, and she said, when are you going to stop? Yes, I go to stop when he stops. So you're still trying to convince me that the king of the couch potatoes is the goat. He missed the playoffs and it will miss it. Oh, I hope not. Are you telling me that the goat needs help Schiavo you looking real goat doesn't need any help? Hell, doesn't she bring into look Larry Rancho p twenty twenty? I got your does that paramedic right here, one here to you got the call the paramedics. Really? Yeah. Well, guess who's that who's the brand name on that Otonnu? Oh, he handled too. I got good stuff Jan prepare. I don't know if you want to get some good old stuff club, chez officially Bank open. We back in business skill you disappointed by sitting this right here. They'll use sample any of your wares before this show started. All we need to know. I don't know. I have here. The more you're demo Yami garment. Yeah. They got him. No. Worry about what? About what he's got all those. I don't know, Big Eye candy them. Okay. You ready? You know what I'm gonna let you have your fake moment right now because this is all you're going to have. Next question we go into title mixture really wanted to? The lakers. Are you a cowboy fan? Go do this on my band Lakers, Lakers will win the title next year. Really I will fifty cases the do own it right now. Donte cases is writing accepted. Fifty cases on the Lakers winning the done. Okay. Thank you. You'll be sorry. I'm gonna have to swimming pools, and biller. Thank you. Have you we go all to do that? I lost at all down case they win the fifty that means I'll be good. We got this back in one fell swoop that trade that Shannon is so excited about this morning, Anthony Davis, finally to the Lakers deal BoJ reporting, this weekend, the pelicans agreed to trade eighty for Lonzo ball, Brandon Ingram Josh art, and re purse round fix including the fourth overall pick in Thursday's draft the Lakers. Of course, tried to apply a before February's trade deadline with the pelicans just weren't dealing now with David Griffin at the helm in New Orleans. The two sides have reached a deal Shannon Lakers, pelicans, one this trade. I like the Lakers I like the liquor side of because you understand what, what had to have how take place, once the emotion with taking out of it, because David Griffin came in and he was not as emotionally invested mostly tied to this is Dale and miss Benson was previously. And I think one of the things that David Griffin convey to her is that ma'am, we must take the best deal possible. Take the emotional side out of it. And if this presents us the best deal in order for us to build a championship, then I think we should take it, once he stepped back and look at what he could gather reports are Boston was unwilling to include Jason Tatum in any deal. Really, if you come down to it really only two teams that really play. It seemed to be the Celtics and the Lakers and the Lakers had the packet, you know, skimp that when you get a player of this caliber, and they don't come vailable often. We saw Corrine. Hey, we remember who Corinne with actually traded for? No. Because he wouldn't five titles. And so he made it up Salih the last player of this magnitude to become available. Maybe a shack, but skip shack was the free agent. So they gave up no compensation, but if Shaq had been on the market, what would someone have given? What would they have been willing to forfeit to order to get his services? So for the Lakers to say, well, this is what we're going to give up this what we're willing to give up because they're window skip is right now is your seventeen your eighteen year nineteen if LeBron James within your nine I would say the Lakers, your foolish to give up this young talent, but he's not in your night, he's going into your seventeen. So right now, if they're window right now, if they're tune ity to go maximize LeBron James. And if you get LeBron James on your roster, you maximize him you put whatever it takes. You move heaven and earth in need be in order to surround him with the player that he's gonna need to compete for championship. Told you Friday, odd came out with gate, had to Golden State Warriors, I say on what planet now all of a sudden they like eight or nine who did I tell you on Friday should be number one's getting it? If you don't mind me, asking you told me the previous Friday and you tell me every Friday they should number one. They are. And they are now skill. This is a very unique individual, Anthony Davis, if you look at here, six in the league his last little, see that he played because this year would look herky-jerky becomes a what transpired. He was twenty eight eleven two point six Shaquille O'Neal, six season, in the NBA. He was twenty eight eleven and two point four. Now, I'm not saying that he's going to be shocked because you have to understand skip in a six season shack did not win the title. It was ninety ninety nine no two thousand one two. I think they won the title. So. Today, also three of the last five years. He's been first team. All NBA Jack become I team all the until nineteen ninety eight. So this is the type of talent that they're dealing with skip. I believe the Lakers won this talent because we needed the flower that had already blossom, we'll let the pelicans plant those seeds with Lonzo with BI in this fourth when the pick and we'll see what they become biride now there's a six foot ten and a half inch roles that's fully blossom, beautiful thing to see. Okay, my turn. I will give you this much. I did like this trade for your Los Angeles Lakers, but I loved it for New Orleans. I'm going to give the edge here to New Orleans even though there are a lot of variables in play because we don't know if they're gonna flip the number four pick into an established star, or maybe just starter or they can keep it and use it on whom we don't know. So I need to have in there to future draft picks and play that could be highly significant, but they're so far out that we can't sort of factor them into today's equation. I don't know what you're swapping pick three there. There's one that could could swap with to go all the way up to twenty four and twenty five maybe twenty six they can defer. It's too complicated. Even talk about, but there are two first round picks sitting on the back end of this deal. So I liked it for the Lakers simply because the laughing stock lay. Cours got the deal done. I thought they'd get it done at the trade deadline. I saying, I don't know what's not to, like here del Dem's was not delay to mostly involved is because I'm gonna soom. He could have had Lonzo BI coups MMA zoo Botts sounded like those on the table, heart, and Josh art may, you could throw him in, if I don't even know if they had room for John chart, but you could have had him but the number four pick is highly valuable in that obviously wasn't in play yet death, what the turning point because nobody thought the lake of would have because they were thinking somewhere, maybe it could be higher six here might be thirteen. But now all of a sudden it's the fourth. Okay. So I liked the trade for your Lakers, because I believe it was, I told you this on Friday, AD or bust. It was do or die on acquiring a superstar via trade because now I can't see how they're going to sign another superstar. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cap has shr. Trunked to such a point that I'm pretty sure it's gonna be twenty three point. Eight million is twenty seven and they're gonna wanna find a draft pick three point seven one four million train bonus so that apply to way. That's an interesting point conflict of interest here. A clutch sports client, juicy that the CEO of clutch sports is LeBron James. I official. Ficials. Oh, wait a second. Rich Paul represents who his bread is buttered, mostly by LeBron James. Right. So why wouldn't LeBron benefit from getting AD, the quote unquote, client to waive his four million dollar trade kicker because it will just go right up against your it will increase it to twenty seven point seven million, hold on skip. I don't want you wait eighties going to actually sabotage his own little. Hey, well, I'm asking does highly significant right. Hold on. There's two points off back on you. So LeBron James stays out of this. Lebron James is a client of Klux, that's first and foremost, who, who funded clutch with a who we gotta start, but we got the ball rolling so Rich Paul us. But anyway, skill smells funny. So I just wanna make sure so for moving forward a team can only have one player that's only represented by one. Client, you can't have multiple. Clients on a team represented by the fine with me. But I'm just asking why wouldn't the inferior client because he still. I wouldn't waive is four million so that the superior client could have a chance in your seventeen to win one more championship where we win it would help we will win to the seventeen year. But that's and. Eight neither here nor there. That's everywhere what you're trying to do what you're trying to do is do we just? Fifty. We go one hundred on gonna row, we got fading. Don't sometime unforeseen snapped with well, you said it. I see what you're trying to do. I'm not trying to do anything. I'm just repeating the fact. Oh, the trying to sold this decision. Oh, the IMF while when the imperial client, why wouldn't disappear your client, which is LeBron James, this CO? Why would he tell be inferior clan to forego, his forgo his four million, so instead of half when three point seven we have all sudden, you're in the ballpark of maybe you could know choir somebody if significant we're not it, because Rich, Paul being worth every into that five point nine hundred forty pounds worth every grain of salt that getting paid. Okay will not allow his class to give back money. Okay. So you're going to give up next year's championship because I don't know who else is going to start. I like Kouzmin by the way, I like to trade because they hung onto calc who's my will give you that. And he's really good at catching and shooting. Lebron's passes for three point shots give you that. They have good dynamic good good sort of Tim street. Just a good connection, the twin to, if you can just see it and coups MS is when LeBron James passing ball, he thinks he's going to make that shot. So I love that for you. But I don't love the rest of the team because again, there was runaway trains on Twitter and all social media on Saturday night of let's go get number two. They weren't saying number two, but you know who I'm talking about or let's go, get Kimba. You can't get them with twenty three point seven million on the cap. We go over the counter, but here's the things get for me. I would rather take that money, and maybe go get ready. Okay. Maybe go get Jeremy lamb start to fill in those pieces. Okay. You're going to fill in those pieces around two stars not three star. Okay. Now that's going to bring you back to earth. So yes, it will because you're, you're not going to get the significant over the top free agent where you're gonna have a super team. No. You don't have a super team, super team. You got a got. We got to aging superstar year seventy who pulled his groin or whatever last year. And he missed a whole bunch of games. And he went twenty eight and twenty seven in the game. And we saw okay, he pulled his growing at the going to straight NBA, eight straight NBA finals. And we saw what happened to got. We would have to a guy that went to three straight and what happened to him. And then another guy that went to five grade. Okay. What happened to him by guy, went to, as straight may tweak this growing, but he'll be healthy as ever twenty nineteen and he stay healthy as ever, and we're gonna find out, certainly going to find out, would you? Would you rather them take that twenty seven million? Let's just say say good argument just for this hypothetical. Our say AD four goals in four million dollars. Now they have thirty two million. Would you rather them have another superstar at thirty million or three or four players that you can build out the roster with for that thirty two million? Well, I don't know. I think I'd rather have a star and then just mix and match whatever I had left on minimums just. Minimum contracts. If you told me they went and got number two or two, Jimmy Butler out they commissioned allow that I don't the commodity Adam civil will allow, you would to know you on slate allowed Kevin Durant Goldstone skip LeBron. James kuwa- in Anthony day. So it wouldn't be over what you be to win be over. Well, one guy's jamming it by guys over the hills. Seventy five and seven that would be the record seventy five and seven. Can we bet like a thousand? We got. No. But, you know, Kawagoe need low management. Lebron go take a night here and there. So if you had those three with Anthony Davis, you'd have three guys with questionable basketball backbones, you know, whether you ought to stop, I'm going to get to that. And just a minute. Let me finish on your pelicans, because you cover the pelicans what they just got a twenty one year old who I've told you from the start is going to be a star, and he just got out from under his father and Magic Johnson's legacy the laughing stock Lakers and his hometown. And he gets to start fresh in New Orleans, unless they flip him with the pick to somewhere else. But wherever he goes, he's going to become a transcendent star twenty one years of age and he will come back to haunt that those colors, you're wearing right now, Laker nation will be haunted by him from here on out in less LeBron and a deacon win the championship next year. That was the that's the only way you can you can invalid. Date Lonzo ball. That's the only way no. Here's this. That's the way you invalidate. Any is that will do you know who actually went to San Antonio for kuwa-. Because co I made it to league by winning the title. It doesn't matter about the and it doesn't matter about portal. It doesn't matter about the twenty eighth or twenty nine hundred thirty. It doesn't matter about any of that because he cancelled it out. If AD brains that title to the Lakers. It doesn't matter what they do mission accomplished. Okay. Then New Orleans also acquired another twenty one year old who got his fire lit last year by Magic Johnson. I dunno Brandon Ingram. Suddenly just caught fire. He had four games in a stretch over thirty game. He had some huge games. He had thirty six against Philadelphia thirty one against a really good Milwaukee defensive team. And I saw flashes of stardom from Brandon Ingram. And now he's in New Orleans you like that. But that's the problem skip. You keep seeing flashes at some point in time. You know, when Akil flashlight, keep flashing in and out, it's telling you about that really his batteries to shy at all the time. And by the way, they have had injury risks obviously. Twenty one year olds but Brandon Ingram reportedly is one hundred percent healed from his blood clot issue. And what did lavar ball? What did he sit right here and tell us about the Lakers? He kept saying, I don't like the way they're training their training. They fired by trainer. Okay. So I would say starting over in New Orleans it's going to be really good for Lonzo ball. I will bet you. He will stay far healthier next. Well, if you don't mind me asking libra, Lonzo ball has been in the league for two years, eighty to eighty two fifty four. If my math serves me correct, I wasn't a meme anything. So I'm not Benjamin Banoco is Dan. So sometimes my math. Big is coming. Go. Lonzo ball played ninety nine games in two years. Now, if the mass, you can play one fifty four you play ninety nine you tell me right at the top of your head. How many games they missed that trainer got fired it all you need to know that invalidates, your art, also we go put everything on the trail. We are he just got fired and lavar predicted it and. He predicts a lot of things we're gonna talk about a lot of other lavar predictions in just a moment here. But the point is New Orleans also got the number four overall pick, which seems to be growing in value, so they could flip that. I don't know there. There are lots of runaway speculating stories about Lauri Markkanen, the bulls whose seven footer who can really. Shoot three's thirty six percent from nineteen and nine and his favorite players who skipped. I don't know do. No, let's James every kid's favorite player. But the problem with these two stud, Laker kids stone LeBron burn the bridge to both Patty still, I don't know how they must be looking side. Ida Kouzmin right now. Oh, you're going to stay with the guy who wanted to trade you laugh at your Kim. You like that. What does that tell you? Okay. Lonzo and Coors came in the same draft BI is a year came in a year earlier. And the Lakers said, okay, we got no problem. But we want to hold on the coups. So what does that tell you from what they've seen over the last two years, the gather shown the most improvement in the most potential to be what they think he can be Cal there. But the report was they just liked him because he was more of a Laker than the other two kids he bought in. He was more face of the franchise. He represented in the well. And apparently he got right over LeBron winning to trade him. So they wanted to keep him. So I will give that so that what you won't you want somebody that got that kind of mindset you keep talking about back ball. I can't tell the other two as you mentioned, your voice. They didn't get over. Interesting. So the New Orleans pelicans will be must see TV next year because obviously again take Zion number one overall. And I just have a sneaking suspicion that Julius Randle who did opt out of his nine million. I he might opt back in for fifteen or eighteen. Well, he won't more day he might want to be with the winner. It would be all the ex Lakers, Julius Randle, seventh overall in two thousand fourteen and then be I was second overall in twenty sixteen Lonzo was second overall in twenty seventeen. And Josh Hart was a first round pick. He was thirty overall. I didn't even throw him in, but he just, he's just a gutty. Huger player Novick kid who knows how to play he's a little older than the other two. But I like him as a gut, same glue guy. So you throw the two future picks on top. That's quite. If you don't mind me asking. Lonzo BIA that fort dodge, which one of those guys go play better defense and Anthony Davis better defense and oh how about Lonzo ball? How about right now? New Orleans just might have the best defensive back court in all of basketball, drew all day. Lonzo ball both. Gotcha won his position. He plays at least as big as the other guy plays his position, at least as as us forty three percent from the free throw lab. More career any shot twenty nine percent from the pre point line so bed so far, he shot forty two percent from the three point line at UCLA. Oh you go back. You told me the farthest we can go back one year. We need to get out from under dad and magical about that. In a few. He's going to have a big frills Carl you telling me Lonzo ball. It defensively is equivalent of Anthony Davis is that what you tell about his position? He will be you better already as middle already. He is shutdown perimeter. Do realize the end of the day was a twenty six twelve and two and a half four career. What am I told you about Anthony Davis since the show started? What if I told you over, you is not a difference maker? He is a PE are prince. He's been top four four times. He won at one time and New Orleans record over all those years of seven years, was two hundred sixteen and two fifty New Orleans playoff record with Anthony Davis, the game changer was five and eight. Well, we've not good enough. Something missing in their he's a complimentary star. So now he's not a closer LeBron's obviously, not a closer because he couldn't close it all last year. Who's your closer helped me out recording this are you telling me that Zion Williamson would be? Better NBA player than Anthony Davis. Yeah. Down. It's gonna take a while. How about Davis awhile? He got hurt and be this. I've been on the record consistently about this complimentary star. I think you'll be a good fit with LeBron but the two of them together they need an alpha. They need a closer, my guts guy. They need a van fleet. My God knows what it takes to win. What have you? What is I on would what does I want? The championship as a true freshman, which are you talking about? Oh now you got a new guy that guy. Oh, you already know this represents three and sixty goatman got me. Yeah. And he would be two and seven. Don't do that. Goatman. Oh now everybody wanna talk about. Okay. D- got injured. Oh, Klay got injured. But I'd to hear that energy when carrying injured when Kevin. Love got engine not here. None of that energy talking now in what happened. He lost came. To Steph her. He loves okay? We're not talking about Steph curry, and you know what you are. Gloat man, gloat man man globe man be re mature while we're talking about injuries to did for Aaron Nelson a renowned longtime. Aw. Aw. Revamp that. Sure it may boom guys on the court next ROY. Roy j. Much more to talk about lavar ball, you know, he had a strong take on this train up next. Ways core. Pool is not a bus ways core. Pool is not a taxi ways core pool is not the metro in DC writers ways core. Pool is not a slug line. 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So obviously, the Lakers need to say goodbye, Lonzo ball because of that, blockbuster, Anthony Davis strait, Mons two seasons in LX, certainly made a lot of headlines. So many of them were about his dad. No surprise here, lavar, not happy when asked about the deal. Take a listen. Say, it'd be the worst move to make evidently life never win. Another championship guaranteed. Regret it. Woody. His crowd total was crashing down now in completely crashed. But leased before face loading again. Chains can wind it and go back and I said, if you get the three ball, others, you're going to survive this. You let them go. Be a cold day. You never wonder where lavar ball stands. I'll say that China, what did you make of this? And this is the response that we expect it from lavar ball. I don't understand why he's obsessed get remember when he was I here, and we try to explain to him, why Lonzo would be upset that someone took one point five million. Will he still has his family? Oh, she's whole it. Yeah. Yeah. He stole he stole the money from lavar was, like I tried to explain him. There's no reason to have a motion. There's no reason to be upset. So I'm trying to figure out if Lonzo still has his family. He's still balling. He's still can eat y LA borrow said. Oh, it sounded good more. I'm hard. I don't have emotion. This is this is natural. I'm not surprised that he's disappointed that he that is son is traded. But the way he viewed his son was irrationally high, the way the lake of you son is expendable. Okay. That's why he was included in the trade. That's why his name, always came up now that might be two fold skip, maybe every time they broke the subject. Maybe some other teams that we won't Lonzo. That's a good thing. But it's also the Lakers had no problem got gave them. No push. They never said one time now Lousa will not be included in any trains. They would gladly willingly get a glad to give him up skip. The thing is, let's be real. Lonzo with flawed up into play a currently his ability shoot free throws his ability to consistently make outside shots. Make him a berry law player. Those are things that may be at over tied, you work, and you can get better at I never understood, his dad telling telling us oh, I can teach a lawns. How to eighty five percent free throw shooter. Well, why the hell don't you I can teach him how to be this good three pointer? Why don't you? Well, I happen loot skip that made no sense to me. But you and I both know from the very beginning, he said, a lot of things. And I'm not so sure that if it were, if his name was Lonzo Johnson, he'd win the number two pick in the draft. But his dad hyped among his dad wrote checks that Lonzo at this present time can't cash, and he was included trade, but the response that we got from the bar is what we expected to get from the bar. I just. Wish, hopefully law gets healthy. He finds his MIT any plays to the level that you think he can. He will before. I dress each. The points, lavar made in this interview I wanna go big picture, Saturday. You'll look back and say was the best day of Lonzo ball's life because it did set him free from the most pressure and expectation that has ever been over heaped on any eighteen year old ever coming out of college. I realize LeBron had a lot of pressure on him. But it wasn't like this pressure because he didn't have a hype man, high artist saying he's immediately going to be better than Steph curry or everyone rose. Yeah. Everybody in the target on this kid's back in and he's a good kid. He he's, I think he has a toughness to him. But, but I think he got completely overwhelmed by Magic Johnson saying one day. Number two will be raised in. This is a good number two, the that lonzo's number two will be raised into the Laker Rafter so long house conference, I'd say because that's if Magic Johnson puts that target on your back. And then your father is just hyping in, like crazy hyping like, like insanely hyping you to the point that Patrick Beverley on opening night, just destroys the poor kid and keeps pointing to the father and the stance. It's your fault. This is about us, lavar. Well, how do you overcome that as a rookie point guard point guards, the hard position to learn transition and to have to have that burden on your back every night? And then try to learn how to play with LeBron. They're not a great fit. I thought they lately weather will. But, but again, they play the same position LeBron is at his best at his greatest when he is bringing the ball up the floor in orchestrating. He was born to do that. He's still the best passer in basketball. He's still the best three point passer to two snipers, and marksman didn't have many last, you know, obviously, but maybe any, any Kouzmouk would make some occasionally and then Casey, it makes them occasionally, and then they get Reggie Bullock and he'd made a couple year there. I don't know. But it wasn't what I thought it was going to be, or you thought it was going to. But again, that was untapped potential of LeBron last year because he can see over defense at six nine and throw skip passes completely across a wide open snipers. That's how they played in Cleveland they weren't able to do that. Am I okay in Miami? So again, Lonzo LeBron non not the best mix, but they're both so high Q that they figured it out together. I think they kind of vibe off each other enjoy playing, and I'm gonna say this again, Lonzo made some big three's last year under under clutch pressure when you gotta make it. He's good at gotta make it varies. Okay. So now the one thing I've learned about lavar ball, you can laugh and scoff. All you want. But it's hard to know when the bluster stops in the insight starts, because there is some insight from him. And he has made prediction, sitting right here on the show that made you just open your eyes, such as a Magic's, just the figurehead now is, we said that what three months ago on the show any, we actually before actually proven to be proven to be true. Well, so are there things in here that, that might be close to the truth, if not the truth? Yeah. Because lavar is he's a shrewd operator but he has he has depth to him in, if you will. Listen, if you can cut through all, the, the BS part, get to the truth. There's a lot of truth now he just mad that his son got trade album. And again, the one, the biggest impact that my biggest takeaway from this interview is now now Lonzo gets to go all the way, I don't know how far how far is New Orleans from here. Two thousand mile fifteen hundred dollars plane ride four hour plane ride from here. It's a long ways right here. Well now will lavar be at as many Lonzo games next year's he would be an LA. No. And maybe it'll be good for the kid just to break free and get out from under hidden. It's not as hometown per se, but it's home area, you know, hills just outside of LA get out from under this. There's no more magic. There's no more pressure. You can start fresh. I like Alvin gentry. I think he's good with kids. He'll, he'll teach him a lot of things that he hasn't quite learned yet. So, again, will my biggest takeaway, I think lavar is onto something here. I think the Lakers will forever regret trading this kid. And again, if you prove me, wrong, if they win a championship in the next two years, because I think too is, is all even you agree. That's all that LeBron's got left at MVP, caliber level, two more good years. Tam play skip. Seven to eighteen to be even a top ten player at year nineteen. It's getting that will be unprecedented. Hey, this kid is gifted. He's got things. You can't coach you can't teach. And you're going to see them more fully realized now in New Orleans, you don't mind me asking. As you the same thing. I would ask lavar ball of sitting here are the Lakers were the lake are the Lakers, better on Saturday or were they better on Friday. Obviously right here. And now if you add a proven star like Anthony Davis, you're a little bit better because was about. So what the hell was the balloon about? Okay. 'cause he talking crazy. Okay. He's saying that they have completely crash in as an organization. I think they have completely crap. They will hit fools me. Me too. But they there's somebody right at the wheel. I don't know who driving his Linda rambles, if it's Kurt Rambis, if his genie buses, rob Pelinka. But all I know is somebody corrected. They didn't correct. Because sometimes skiing there. It's getting off the roll. I'll move you been driving. Glenn say never jerk the wheel, never snatch it, eat thing. We'll talk with Dr a call. That's what. But anyway, somebody didn't over correct it because they could have overcorrected Mendy same outcome with happen. They corrected it just enough. They landed Anthony Davis, even if he takes his four million dollar trade exception skip, they still have twenty three million. You can buy a lot of good auxiliary pieces twenty look you keep saying, three guys three superstars? Toronto just told you. Toronto, route the dish. Oh, you get your one superstar and you get some role to play exceptionally well in a given game you can bring home, the title, not only do we have. Once it was got we got to Ashley, we have to the top player in the NBA currently going Kaleri made five all star team. If you'll superstar assault is the player all star a superstar. No, he's not Larry limits. You question name. Would you take how with a top fifteen or twenty right now? Shawl NBA players. Sure. How going top twenty yes, he would not. What do you mean if you put him in the draft? Right. If you said, okay here, four hundred NBA oh, I thought you if you put him in here. Four hundred NBA players currently playing take your pick go. I don't know. I'd have to put the pencil to that when I have to figure it out top thirty he goes twenty hey, he's a five time all stars hard to find those no good. Guess what he was the land play. Remember the NBA draft selected. The only twenty four who laugh with leg still win this year when David up team, LeBron James with the lean Bogan at one conference and an Kunpho great with the lebeau get. Okay. Who was the last elected? I can't remember but how many total all stars are there? Twenty four. Okay. Tell you could be top twenty four. Yeah. Well, twenty four twenty although everybody gets to the all star game are not superstars. Is he a superstar? You can be a star without being put that super in front. Those two guys is that what would the no look, scratch, ding, removing for whatever I want to see Anthony Davis anything. Elegant, no look knowledge, New Orleans that Iran has nothing. Okay, only okay. And I also need to point out that lavar ball was completely correct. He saw this from the start as did. I look Walton never bought into Lonzo ball. I don't know if he felt he was it was forced on it. And if he didn't like to hype, but right away. What did I keep coming into your pounding the desk, about that Luke would play him for five minutes in sitting until five minutes, we're left in the half? What? I will see bar kept saying, we gotta get Luke out of there. And guess what? They got LUKA not soon enough. They'd been trying to get Luke out for me. It's give the problem that I struggle with, with Lonzo Lonzo struggle with is long. If the game can get up and down. He's fine. Yep. He's struggled when you get the game into a half court set and a great point guard magic. Yeah. Magic with Showtime. But magic run the offense also in half court sin, so could outsail Soka Stockton. So that's Lonzo is going to have to revamp his game or two. It a pickup his game that because I don't care how great you are. How much you want to get up and down teeth will slow you down Tiv will make you play a half court sit and then Kenny do what he needs to get done. And that's where we see him struggle. But right now, I like to think the Lakers, one is trade a will you. Well, I think it had to be because the last lavar, quote, in this story that I read is about. Ron James, he doesn't actually say his name, but he says, in once you don't believe in him. Meaning LeBron doesn't believe in Lonzo because he wanted to trade him at the deadline, then it's hard to come back and be like, oh, you believe in me now will sell the bridge got burned, and I think it got burned to bring out my head to try to train me twice. Okay. Which is big as stars. These. All all. All pro. Wait. Never trade you on this show Maury. But you exhale. Anthony Davis and you try to train people who got a good question. I just want to trade your goat. That's all I'm putting it on EBay today. For big not a great way to start the show on a Monday run. Will you haven't been here long? We're going to do the show for rain, which preyed on rag is lots more to get to this morning, including should the Lakers. Now be the favorites to win at all. We're going to break that one down. Imagine this. The bases are loaded were down by two. It's the bottom of the ninth. And we're tired on. I, we've got high quality, low priced mattresses to free pillows on second and Afri mattress protector on third. There's only one player. We trust to get us this grand slam. Mattress firm right now during mattress firm's fourth of July preview sale, spend just five hundred ninety nine dollars and get to pillows and a mattress protector for free. Don't miss this homerun deal. No. A funny. What happens to your championship odds when you add a six time, all star the Lakers? Now the favorites to win next year's title after a green do trade for Anthony Davis, reportedly have interest in adding another star. Maybe quite kyri your Kemba, but only have room for another max contract, if they wait until July thirtieth to make this trade official bucks, clippers and rockets are behind the Lakers with the best title odds. We are joined by s one NBA analyst, Chris Broussard. Good morning. Thanks for me. All right. Should the Lakers. Be the favorite right now you agree with this, at this point. Unquestionably might Wellesz. I mean with what turns. Turn what we know right now you're not obviously Golden State with the injuries. You're not favoring them the clippers or the raptors a lot of that depends on what is do. Does he go to one of those two teams? Then they could maybe jump Milwaukee. Chris Middleton's of free agent brook, Lopez Malcolm brogden mirror, any honest, as good as he is he's an I still think he might have another season taken his lumps before he's ready to win a championship work on j a little bit more villa Delfi ally. I you know, we all know about Butler and Tobias Harris, but I'm taking LeBron AD any day, every day, all day over Joel Embiid, and Ben Simmons, Nari all day and then Houston, they're having all sorts of problems. We know that the coaching staff is new, you know, besides my dad Tony James harden. Chris Paul or. Right. So right now, this moment, I'm going with the Lakers. You mentioned it, what they do this summer is going largely depend on, if they can push his trae back to July thirtieth then. I don't know. Why would would go along? You know what it helps New Orleans? It does give New Orleans more cap space to back here. You need to figure out the fourth pick right here right now. And then I believe if they trade that, then the other team has the fourth big has something to say about it's a long shot. You're right. Let's say that happened my number one goal if I were the Lakers, if I get the max base skit, which I agree with you. They probably won't. I would go for. And I don't I think that's a long shot, but I have heard that if LeBron if LeBron got AD that why would seriously considered it. Like we have the guy across the table for me already going on the record on this show today that the Commissioner would kill that deal allow. No, it'd be gold stake. I mean he led golden stay happen. I just told him that go go to state of what they but she got three of the top five players. Look, it would be it would be what we just think. We got a little parody, right? We're Golden State kind of breaking up. No. This would be ridiculous. I don't care who the three years old. Well that's the other thing he's coming back with a vengeance. He's heard all the talk you just wanna make you vs on. You just wanna, you know, hang out in LA. You don't wanna win. Yeah. He's coming back with a vengeance and says, low management is the new thing they'll be some low management there. You'll be ready for the but let I I'm calling baloney LeBron. If you're watching right now, I'm calling baloney on your coming back with VIN really hauling, so not a great season. I just might I'm not doing it right now. He might be my preseason. Maybe mail. We got lavar ball. Maybe. But here, here's something smarter than because again, I don't think they're getting Kawai kyri. I mean, if he wants to come out and think he will. I don't think that's, that's a long shot if he wants to come, I wouldn't turn down. But to the point, we might well, because here's the thing, I think it might be wiser to use that money to get a few guys. How about that Beverly? Patrick Barry will be right near the top of my list. Okay. You need some guards could shoot it. Do we know that Jada lamb guys like Jeremy lamb Drake Lopez? Bogan bogdonovich. I don't know if he might be too expensive like him a lot. But I've got he's right stuff. He he's my live. I guess read except curry curry, that's another one down. I got on. Let's just do. Let be the only uncapped team, you can have all those guys you can have no roster. You get thirty guys on your. I want to go out. He want to go you. I let you go you go. He they they gotta be the favorites. Give you know, go at least right now. So my friend, Chris Broussard, says unquestionably, they should be the favorite and I've got them if I do best case scenario for every team the west I got them, the fourth best west. The west in the west south aren't it? Let's start it. Let's go back to Golden State shall we give what if they obviously, they're going to have Steph and clay, what if they do resigned? Damarcus cousins. He's pretty good. We saw flashes a brilliant. I think they will. And what if clay has got that Adrian Peterson? I've seen it on the court. What if it gets backed by I don't know February March, and then he's ready for the playoffs best undoing best case for each team. What if those four guys are healthy enough to go in the in the playoffs? You don't think that's a formidable force, right? There is still is I'm sorry, it is. And you're getting scared. I just want to tell me to get going away. I just wanted to tell me to go do something with AD and Braun, which one of those guys are banged up a guy with a knee brace on clay. Woah guy that can't jump over a paper clip and book because you don't think DaMarcus can handle AD. They're pretty close. You don't think they practice against other? All they will have the chemistry. There's no question. They have the chemistry events that if Claes healthy okay? There's one guy in this league, I've learned for many, many years, not debate against and his name is Jerry West, and he is now overseeing the team next door to the Lakers clippers, and I don't know what they're gonna do. But they do have to max. Lots what if number two does join them? Then what if I don't know? Let's throw in Jimmy Butler. I don't know. And all of a sudden you still have Lou Williams and mantras Herrell and those that kid shea gilded. Alexander's. Nari in Landry Shamet who I've really liked him when he was a six or all of a sudden, I'm saying that teams a little better than the Lakers, aren't you do? I'm not doing anything you say if they, they got to match they do. I got wake up this morning. We don't get a whole nothing him. Okay. But they got to max lots and they got the best owner in the NBA this pocket, the wealthiest owner in the NBA. But guess what? Skip they got a hope we wake up breakfast table. When we see over there. We see LeBron over there. We gotta hope nothing. We see coups mover there. And then we see a bunch of empty slots everywhere. Okay. Well, we don't know how to fill, okay? What you gonna do the clippers. Okay. So you say shale exander and all these guys because you don't have you don't have. You don't have Jimmy buckets. You don't have anybody. Well, I'm just saying what if I'm doing best-case team, they're going to sign a couple of won't one. That we have to let somebody go to get that full second. All right. Whatever I think they'll get one guy, if that's go to the Houston Rockets shell. We give us all of a sudden everything opened everything changed when Kevin Durant went down for a whole year. Everybody's door reopened the Houston. Rockets door has reopened for one last hurrah. And after all the huffing and puffing, I'm gonna blow this house down from their GM, Daryl Morey. Why wouldn't you just sit back and say, okay, we were still pretty good with these guys. Let's just put it back together. Let's just keep the band together for one last run. So you got James harden. Chris paul. I know they are bickering as they walked off the floor after their big home close out loss. But if you keep Capelle, and Eric Gordon PJ Tucker resigned. Gerald green and Austin really spell. I still I still go. They'll probably stay together. Okay. They'll probably 'cause Chris Ball, you not. You can't trade him with that contract. Three one, but I will. I don't know up here. You know you can't up here. They did you just see Draymond green e cappella I. What do Capelle? Okay. Well, I didn't say they're going to win the west but I got them being a little better than Legos right now right now. Stop it stop landscape. Well, there, another one, you can look around and say who we got right now? They're all they're all there. A mess. And then couldn't be in couldn't be going to stay without. K. D O your home court who can't beat that team except Toronto the Toronto because Klay kept getting hurt. What is it? Now the all the healthy. Got two guys you'll bailiffs of the top five in a four hundred NBA we got to top the table right now. Okay. And I'm not going to write off the Denver Nuggets 'cause I think they're loaded young team. And they will get nothing but a little better better and a little bit. Watch reviews them. Take it off a four C L, take forthright on. And listen, you can say all you want about Embiid and Ben Simmons. They are to nuclear weapons, if they are healthy and right. They can do damage, then you know that he got it. He better be in the gym right now. One got cash, we got kids, you for me to the camera guy. The other guy came stay healthy. He got stomach issues. I don't really got all the person I've seen with more stomach gets you be to the baby. He got what problem to the baby stomachs betas, and you know that. So see you say if they are right in their healthy. Guess what? Chris, we wake on to three and twenty one eighty go get this. And I'm telling you number twenty three bench core. Excuse says maverick. No. Ball, screaming bring it really is. I got him not. You will take it for me at may or may not hail. There's a possibility deemed with him. Don't worry about it. He said, Shannon, I'm coming back with capital engine swallowed at home that communication. I may or may not have communication with. All right. That's a possibility. I don't know with Anthony Davis and he's coming back with a vengeance Mitch. Oh, he's on. Yeah. Title. To one NBA source that I've known for a long time. And you what he told me about Anthony Davis. He said he's going to have a hard time in Hollywood because he'll get caught up in the Hollywood glitz, glamour, heal our time with it. I'm just telling you what he told me. So I'm throwing that you guys told me LeBron's, come back with a vengeance will have a hard time in the glitz and glitter of Hollywood plays. I forget. I forget thousand law long way from the. That would be, I think he's going to learn a lot from the brand. I think the number one thing he's gonna learn is taking care of your body. We know he's been injury prone. That's all skill. He's going to learn from the Brown. There's a reason there's, it's not just to get to the Lakers, that he went with clutch, he sees how they do business. I think those guys will be good for him in terms of helping him mature, as well. And he's already else going to learn if LeBron struggles he will take all the heat LeBron it would always the K with to happen. I'm out in count the time on both hands and sixteen year struggle. But when he LeBron have an off night, we got six ten and a half that we know that averages for career twenty six twelve and two and a half. He's only sixteen. Can I enter you? And that's not dominating is right? I mean that's not exactly Corinne side. I have to say hardly agrees with you, as they are not ha- an absolute lock. Please know that roster counties players right now certainly some big holes to know. Every. Either way. Chris, thanks so much for being here. We really appreciate it. All right. We'll the raptors convince quiet stay in Toronto or will he be in play for some of these other that one? Why Leonard lead Toronto to their first and BA title last week. And during the course of that earned finals envy honors but quite can now become a free agent and a few weeks. Here's Fred van lead on trying to keep coli in Toronto. There's nothing more that we can do. I mean we've done it the city's done it. This franchise done it the coaches have done it teammates of done that we've done our job. We came here and did what you're supposed to do. So he brought this city championship. And I think he's earned is his freedom in his career to do what he wants to do, and we'll all respect and, and, you know, if Meyer them and if he's another teen when just had to kick his ass, and make sure but ho- hopefully he'll be back. What do you think about badly? It's comments. Do you like them agree with everything you just said, there's nothing more, he can do the wo- the year went better? I don't care what Leonard said about coming in there when he reported that he call Kyle Lowry. Instead, I know you're disappointed that they traded your best friend, but I'm gonna come in there and let's work. Let's, let's do this. The year went better than they possibly hope for. They came up with a plan of how they were going to work with how they were going to treat his injury the quad injury. He wasn't gonna play back to back skip. They giving him as a van fleet mentioning that Nestle. 'sound by they done everything they can do cO, while litter probably when they go on the road, he probably have the presidential suite whomever. He wants to travel on the team plane. Dan is Susan could Mary, they're probably on the plane. They've done everything. His teammates have been more than accommodating, even when they were wide open and wounded in passing the ball. That's a great shock. Why they've been over backwards for him? There's nothing else they can do as he mentioned, quieter in the right by bringing this team title by being a free agent. He's played out his contract. He's earned the right to do what he's gonna do scale. But I do believe this. Excuse me winning that title makes it a lot harder. Also, what makes it harder turn it out five years, one, ninety one as opposed to go over market getting four years. But one, forty now that's about fifty million less, plus the thirty million that he lost not getting to fifteen from from San Antonio. So now looking at a possible eighty billion dollar swing. Okay. Give it his injury history. I don't know if you can bypass that. So you know what I waited, I'll go somewhere else signed a one year deal. And then I can sign a long term deal with more money. I don't know of quiet gonna be willing to roll the dice giving his injury history. I think they are the better chance. I think there's a sixty forty chance he stays in Toronto because they can keep this thing together. At least for one more year, all Marcus all has to do with pick up his player option, the only other guy that's free is Danny, Danny green other than that they bring back the Arkham nudity. Comes back surgery. Baca is their plea just signed to reside resigned, his contract. So they can keep this thing together for one more year skip. I don't know if I'm I do a one year deal, unless wait and see giving his injury history. I'm going to just five one ninety whatever going to stay up in Toronto. You're gonna stay for five years when a about on this. No, no, no. I'm just saying. That's what you would what I would do given my injury history. Okay. He missed seventy three games. He missed another twenty two this year. You mentioned how many times five games here. Eight games there ten games. That's a lot of games. Get you make many good points. In fact, you make about eighty million two points across the table. I believe, number two will stiff the raptors just the way he's stiff the spur Stephan yet. Is it stiff? And he just needed some place to land for year, and it all fell into place. It was all meant to be Embiid got sick, and he got hurt, and then Klay got heart, and then Kevin Durant got really hurt and that was the end of that deal. And, you know, and I know Klay Thompson and not gone down and game six we would have had a game seven, and we'd be sitting here today talking about the new NBA champions. No, it's the old Indian. The Golden State warrior that happened. At home. No stunk it up and disappeared at home. A whole bunch played much better on the road. So. I cannot tell you how impressed I was by what I listen to this whole soundbite. Fred van bleed is become the unsung leader of this team. He was the closer for this team. Huby Brown made a case that he should have been the finals MVP for this team because of these two way job that he did one on Steph curry and also on making all the big fourth quarter shots on offense. And I love how he laid this out because. It sounded to me like he was a little tired of this narrative of, we're going to crawl and we're going to beg coli, because they've been crawling and begging this whole year long and they've been giving him all that he wanted to all your points, you want, you want this, this, and even went, so your book, what you're gonna do. Yeah. And what was the dining thing downtown kaline dining, or whatever it was called the initiative, or you never have to pay for another meal, then Siachen seemed a little offended because he was talking about somebody's supposedly, gave him a house, or a lot housing penthouse, and we're where's my house, and he was kind of half kidding. But he was half kidding. He's like a wettest second. I I'm pretty good to do. I get out here. The past two years. You've got whipped well he was. Took they took your house away from you coulda had won the previous two years. Okay. So my favorite line of yesterday came from Fred vanfleet? We just saw that if number two is on another team that we just have to kick his ass next year. He chuckled because everybody else start chuckling. But when he said it he wasn't he didn't mean it with the smile kidding about it. Oh. My members little boggy here. Celebrating amnesia couple of that thing you everything you ever knew. I with Fred band plead on those two teams they got swept by LeBron, the team, they had a superstar and guess well, he was an undrafted free eight months. I two year and guess what? He was an undrafted free Jimmy year, three and guess what he would have been new to been undrafted free in your three not without a title. Not got a why you should get what you try to did LeBron James make the classes. I can't remember. Get all amny. We'll talk about the a I'm talking about right now. Because what you guys try to do y'all try to jettison him what you try to do a you'll Spurs y'all tried to send him Siberia. But what he did was set up shop found oil again. What he's rich didn't Jay clampett. Well, is he going to strike, it rich again, in Toronto or is he coming to either LA or New York because I'm not really out really out where Dennis lives up in New Jersey? So you got nets Knicks. That probably know okay. Oh, you'll be stab. You'll be what's he gonna do play for free for the grew up, Laker fan, O, J three, you get all twenty three twenty three twenty three point seven? The Catholic, we got an we can make some insurances under the table. Will if he said, I will come if you can get AD to waive his trade kicker. The four million. Yeah. 'cause I want his four million. Okay. Then we do we do that. Okay. Yeah. We'll be happy with that get you would he fire his representation over that he might hollow the best representation ever, had one Rich Paul. Because AD made it abundantly clear. He no longer wanted to be New Orleans, and he wanted to come to LA, and he felt the guy that could skip thing. If you're divorce if you get a divorce in Beverly Hills, you go a mardi singer. You go. See law Wasserman. What you do you get the best wanted to leave. I wanna know what I know. He he wanted to bed. I wanna leave New Orleans. I want to go to this nation that destiny. Let me think who can get there. Oh, one Rich Paul mall stature skill. But you know what? Sports Illustrated all long. It says kingmaker made LeBron veins, everything that he is. Here you go. You always trying to sell dissension. Well. The five horsemen. We will let you come between you the fissile field would LeBron rich Randy, math and Shannon, but we ride tough. Well, so what are what I tell you about crime pays as in basketball. But guess what it doesn't pay financially for number two because now he's going to move for a second time and in his salary just gonna plummet plummet. So maybe you should have stayed in San Antonio. Could you didn't want to get mad match play gonna have to leave this one here because you guys could go back and forth over this morning, the thing that came out of that vanfleet press conference yesterday? Turns out he played in those finals with sprain. Thumb to see a specialist about in that all right? Coming up next year on undisputed will Ron AD become one of the best duos in Lakers. That one. All right after that blockbuster trade this weekend. Lebron take Instagram posted this AD on the way. Let's get it bro. Just the beginning. Like show. I know you love the move. But how do you think Eddie will actually fit with LeBron? It'd be great. You're not anytime. Beautiful relationships. Get all their thought rod with me. I'm going places. I want you to come along with me that what I told a lot of people either they got they got lost along the way, and they didn't want what I won't. So you're speaking for LeBron. Lebrons AD going places. And I know you wanna go where I've been but I'm gonna go back there again. And I will need you to come on with me. This is going to be beautiful. Every relationship starts out could be a little rocky. Give, I mean, we just hit the floor run. It could be an argument here. Can you build a relationship you've been argument here? There about some, you know, sometimes, you know, you miss me all that would the right pick. You know you didn't sit the pig. Hard enough, right? Where you're supposed to be. But that's okay. That's okay. I can be very demanding. And sometimes he demands on social media, which is sometimes offensive to the second set. I've thought to be offensive, we demand. We expect greatness. That's what Anthony Davis was he demands and expects greatness out them self. And this is the first time the end the Davis, my actually be playing with a guy that better than him. That's never happened before, in Anthony Davis, career skilled, can you believe that? Well, yeah, I can't okay we'll guess what records sub five hundred. So even though the team was not the best player on that he was okay. Although democracy was there for a while debatable, who beat. To be you and you because they know debate. So I think they're games will mash, we're just talking about Xs and os beautiful because, again, he can set picks I can pick and roll LeBron can drive it the way he can drive it to a nobody else's ever been able to drive it. He can dish it out because Anthony can shoot mid range jump shot and got report rain. He's got some range, I think they should quell some of that. But, but he's got some my biggest question is, who will be the closer because again, AD is never had closer Jeanene neither as LeBron LeBron left, what ten twelve games on the table last year that he could have closed and was unable to who started becoming the closer when, when they were right like around Christmas day when they were still writing is twenty and fourteen Kouzmin did. So I'm happy for you that you kept Kuzin because he might just become the designated shotmaker down the it'll be designated anything. He might be the designated driver. We go out one night, or something like that. That's the only thing we designating him for driver to the basket in big clutch situation. He can't get to the basket. Better AD, LeBron second of all, you and I both know the best clutch shooter and play basketball history is you know who but I don't wanna get into that. We're talking about AD. We're talking about. I don't want to talk about Michael Jordan. Talk about. Okay. So here's the other issue that you will not address, because you're afraid to address address everywhere. Lebron has been there has become a scapegoat to his quote unquote goat because the media over protects LeBron James. So if it goes wrong for LeBron somebody has to pay. And the somebody was the whole roster the first time in Cleveland then in Miami it was always poor. Chris bosh? She just took the brunt of his fault. He's not holding up his one third. Got it will then who was it in Cleveland, the second time around Kevin love, how many days to hear you come in and say what is Kevin love doing thinking what Kevin love doing. Make it twenty two million dollars ten and four. Hell was he? Do you go go all I know is twenty six twelve two point five rolling out to change. Oh, what's gonna change? D weighed average twenty five and a half. We'll abroad is I you there. Okay. I believe today was ever been telling to do just watch watch LeBron's first cryptic post about if I just had enough help. Maybe you go just watch. Well, not, then it depends on how does Anthony deal with it to see rise up will inspire him will deflate him the only he become anti LeBron. Only thing. Dave's needs to worry about is that when I'm sitting courtside getting my lungs. I'm good. I will be at the skipped last year. I said, I'm going to be there because LeBron but, you know, they started the season on the road and kind of loss over that if they do not open the first game home Adam silver, you're gonna hear from me, but I'm gonna be there you're gonna wear your goat mask, or I should say, you're gloat, man. I might just do that skill. Okay. You do that site. You get TV time if you're not on TV and Nuff. I'll tell you this. I've covered Anthony Davis for seven years. He's one of the most unselfish. Cares about winning cannot shoots about when you hear GM j of a New Orleans native. She's today was requested that, you know, she's still defended jockey up next, my favorite topic of the day, these take on it can the pelicans actually be asleep or team in the west. I think so they're going to discuss. Final topic of the day. The pelicans certainly are getting back in the Anthony Davis trade including Lonzo ball. Brandon Ingram Josh heart and three first round fix. They are expected to also add on Thursday, Shannon's at least think carefully about west how good we'll the pelicans be next season, the playoffs. Somebody that might take a step back in the Western Conference. Call them mainly play in Texas San Antonio. But anyway, that's neither here every song. They don't play San Antonio. Go ahead. Forty eight we made the playoffs last year. You guys are not getting they're not sorry. You're not getting the forty wins. They'll be better. They'll be entertaining but they're going to miss the playoffs again. So if they do resign, Julius Randle, which I think is distinct possibility and they do flip that number four overall pick for a proven player. I don't know who might be wait and see in the next forty eight hours because I think we'll hear then all of a sudden you got the best defensive backward in basketball, and Lonzo Andrew holiday. I, I could see that being the surprise team in the wealth. I could see the eight seat. I could see a playoff team next year. Well, we know they'll be in the work for you. For you. We know who they'll be that was killed stop playing Lakers on over under vacant property said the overrun that fifty six games on today. Thank you. We appreciate that did for us tonight. Move back tomorrow morning. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny tapped join us again at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern. See you then. Of, of.

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Best Of (LaVar Ball on Lakers, Lonzo and more, Durant vs. media, Baker Mayfield)

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Best Of (LaVar Ball on Lakers, Lonzo and more, Durant vs. media, Baker Mayfield)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft on today's show, lavar ball is onset discussing Lonzo the Lakers and a whole lot more. Plus should Kevin Durant keeps marring with the media and skits Baker Mayfield being underrated skip, Shannon. Let's get to it. The NBA trade deadline is less than four hours away. Lonzo ball's name as come up in a lot of the rumors specifically going to New Orleans for Anthony Davis earlier this week lavar ball told ESPN, quote, I don't want Lonzo in New Orleans Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I'm going to speak into existence of our joins us now. All right, lavar. Long here. Yes, we got a couple of hours before the trade deadline. What are the rumors? What are you hearing about the trade? What am I hearing? I'm not hearing anything. I'm just saying, you know, what totally longtime ago, if you train my son be worse than you ever did. And I guarantee they trade my son. They will never get a championship. Because what they do is be the one to quit trying to get all these players. Okay. Thank you win championship. Dead in exist. I'm just trying to Natron to do like this where they can always players aim to play coach had a coach you ought to look. So you can get many players you want. If you don't have a system or you don't understand what you're getting ready to do. You're not gonna win. I don't care. You can get everybody has good. So you're saying LeBron James without Lonzo cannot win a championship in Los Angeles. Lebron James without Lonzo is not gonna win a championship in LA. I guaranteed that lavar you understand. I skip. An I can criticize a coach or player, blah, blah, blah. But we don't have a son currently on that team or currently play in you understand. How people look at life. Come on the ball. You think I care? How people look, I know. I know you don't care, but I'm saying keep doing what I do. They can't do nothing about it. You know, what this situation about to get hot awesome? This big bowl of water. Okay. I'm gonna tell you some specialist bitter. You ain't gonna never ever see African American on the water. But that's so late Lonzo ball special about. I don't care what it wasn't gonna make it better zero nitrates. You know, what that means to pure water? You can get untouched by human hand comes straight from the board. Right into the box this much pure face this, I know straight from Lithuania under water imported water is again, twenty years tastes. Then you throw you was water water. We'll we'll it makes Shannon bigger. I wanna know. It makes Shannon healthier. I don't think Santa can get no bigger though. I try. Okay. Back to our program here the trade. Yes. Why did you go on record right away and say, I don't want my son in New Orleans. We don't wanna live in cold. And they already got a point guard over there already some things don't have a point guard. I say they do. But we don't like living in the cold, boys. Is it doing that? And she knew we as you know, where I'm at right now Cleveland. Cold man, I was in the Arctic blast what Arctic glass. I learned about it to other day my off rose. How can you mind? But but going like that. I'm not in a one eight acquitted thing I'm thinking of Phoenix like this. If you get Lonzo get jello. Get mill for Phoenix famous on the fact that I'm not trying to just go on and play. I'm trying to build a dynasty. Okay. So you're going to the worst team in the worst seen it came to number go up. Okay. But they gotta listen. Let's go play. Hallway boys is winners? Man. Like I said Lakers tournament lose. But remember nuance at point guards got Elfriede Peyton and Tim Frazier. And okay, Jack's point guards those point guards over there. My son better than the okay? Well, show me show. You gotta go there. I'm gonna show you in Phoenix. The sun rises over. There. Does your son would take that? May. Here's thinking to yourself. Why? I'm in the building a dynasty where you bring my other two boys. They never worry about leaving. And just before things take off how you beat the Lakers, and you had a number two pick multiple times and before something can jump off. And nobody's done anything. Okay. So hypothetically, let's just do this. If your son goes with Kouzmin Ingram and zoo Botts in whatever to to New Orleans. That's a pretty good nucleus. Do you not trust those other kids to rise with your son? Would here's the thing? Those other kids are gonna ride my son whoever plays with my son's going to go up. A factor. Laws was not playing now players thought was good ain't that good. Like this new same thing happening. I mean, players pleasure. Hear about it. UCLA right now TJ lease K, whatever you him by the laws was not there to make them. Look as good as they are. Brandon Ingram struggling heart struggling Kouzmin Strutton. They all struggle. If Lonzo ain't in the pitcher is it possible that when you declared I don't want my son down there in New Orleans that you blew the trade up with the trae blow up on. Well. I'm just letting you know. Trade. No, why torpedo you've got a lot of players to choose from that good. That's what they say. So take him other guys do but he must be a big part and say. This is normal. Where people say, you know, what everybody gets traded and going they way and you say the same thing. I don't say nothing he can't say. And I don't mean like I say what I want to put in people's heads. Let him know. We don't wanna be there. If I want to beat it don't take that guy. That's like having a girl, and you say, what was she show is pretty Kate maker Lemieux, she say she want to go to all the way you can bring your opening visit a range married in the Middle East. You can who goes to the middle league is already over over five. I if if you hear coming up at three o'clock eastern, noon here that your son has been traded New Orleans. What are you going to do about it? What am I going to do about it? You gotta go over there. But you can't make him play. So would he hit Jesse? He going to do whatever he wanted to. But you wanna do to talk. I hear you talk. You ain't go here. None because he don't wanna talk to you. Because he knew how you are gives me. So I tell them. Another negative own us speak up. Thank you know annual. The annual. A very negative note. You know, I know you negative my problem with you go parrot and having a son that's only team and being hypercritical of sand players and coach of that team. What grandma Matteo you just mic just because you can speak. It doesn't mean you shoot. Pardons speak, it I'm gonna what you to grandma to your grandfather. I never heard you say. Outside sometime standing there sitting in the rocking chair with your grandma all the time. Oh labar. Now, you know, it if us a coat at another and another parents kid with own your roster, and they criticizing your sons or they're criticizing you. You're not gonna take candidate, labar takeout. Now. Do you? I. Dome ever that you say you don't take losses. Yes. I do know never been that. Have heard skip criticize you many times, and you're still getting loud because you man. The bar us labar new played in a pale. Okay. No criticism comes along with being an apple league. So while we were at about this. If I'm if I'm if I'm Chris. I'm going criticize why when things go bad, always criticise. I sit there and just taking hold on. But see you keep fade. If Luke Walton is this will tell me your name WALDO, tell me ain't no just want to say. I dare you to say. Oh, no. You keep saying Luke Walton is this one and that one does the Lonzo bear any COPA -bility in this. No. No. Here. Here's the thing. Let lawns will do what he do. Let him win. That's not how it works. When I don't in for the last few years, which are winning. What you will you feel it? He went to this week sixteen. Thirty something games. They'll hang for that one thirty something games. He won. You know, what I totally let me tell you what I'm telling break down lousy. No have no excuses about nothing. Listen to me. Listen to me, son, go get their championship UCLA. They'll get it. He owned his way to get it. He owned his weight to get it. Listen to me the only way to get it. But he can't get why. Because somebody on our side techs something to get him out his mind in tex- to deal with his mom. You don't know what's going on. But he ankle say nothing 'cause this the way our bready. So why do that though just what I wanted? But I go into that. Because I don't want the family thing to go upside down, right? We should never been done because I was gonna tell him but it's Texans. He found he found if he thinking. Regular can't think of this mom's going the next day. We'll come back from there. I told you Go Italy redo assign go do what you gotta do. Right. I'm got her. Right. Let me but my boys. Like, I can't do they not gonna do that far forward. And that's what caused them. But you don't you don't put that out there like that you played the game. But he's still young never had been in that situation. Do what you're going to get you asked over there and play. But I gotta she's going to be fine. And you did not go. I didn't go to. I think I'm not gonna say I have to. I have to go. Right here. Right. Important, but mama. Gimme. By the way, he took team with TJ leaf and they went to Kentucky, and they beat them before when you're mining writing, right? Thinking about other things there's no way you could perform like that. What about what about the unrealistic expectation? What do you mean by the here's the thing unrealistic expectations? Make us the big baller. How did you come into a league which own brand anybody say never been done before why? 'cause expectation is so hot you're not even on our approach that I heard something you said yesterday, you said Luke Walton his turned my son into a loser. Hold on. Hold on skit, and I wanna loser. Okay. You can be on a team in lose. But not be a loser. I'm a firm believer losing a mindset. Okay. Got it. He got a great mindset of losing, Luke Walton. Been losing for three years. Great mindset, lose it. Tell me this. Okay. Lonzo is a winner Goto some league. And I know you're gonna say somebody just somebody. What's the difference between some really in prose on the fact that a lot of them? The coach did a heck of a job. How does get MVP without even playing last game? Because the coach was doing some believe we're going to do what you do get these triple doubles half. Do what you do. But having a winning staying in the game. Who cares hold on? He couldn't get the championship. This would he may fall. And then when the season starts. Starting playing for five minutes. Putting no matter what sitting down agree with that. Twelve minutes. But when he played in that game when he's bowl out of control, guess what we pull back and forth. Let me go. That was his second loose, man. Okay. But then you don't play starting to fourth quarter. How do you feel about that? If you've been playing a whole game his whole life his whole life. Like, let me go get these winds, and you don't believe anything like that. Just don't go to work and do what you want me to do. Whatever. Here's a here's a mindset to give. Oh, everything's good. You don't need to score a win. So now, you tell him that. So now, he just going to say, okay. Basically, you tell a million whereabouts going just do things he's doing everything else. I tell you need to score the win to beat a player that you've always got to be threat threat. But now you say you don't have to score. But now you wanting to make free throws. Now you wanting to make three points. How about you tell them go out there and do what you do. And we will have no problem because he'd been scorned all his life and people tell me about the jump shot and all this which have a guy who has a perfect form and jump shot and Kate make a dang Luckett guy with a raggedy shot. But always makes the game winner. Are you called some of his young core raggedy as well? So we're gonna talk a little bit more take a quick break. Conversation from over. Thirsty. Hey, guys, it's Jenny Taft. Here is a quick and freeway to finally stick to your New Year's resolutions. 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This what is operating in Luke's head what what's his attitude toward on. I don't know. What is editor toward Lonzo is? I don't know if a jealousy factor or old school when they say you got to go through the veterans. Correct. Everything has changed is this is all different. Back in a day. Go have a back court. But it ain't gonna be no three hundred million dollar back court, which is everything is today got CJ McCullough. Got you got Kawai in law three hundred million dollars invested in team now. So. Things are different now. So you can't go on at all you gotta learn from vet. You gotta get under a wing. You gotta do this. Why didn't magic intervene? That's what I'm saying. Because magic I think is is from my point of view. Now. Listen to talk now stuff like that. He's just the face. I'll be his say-so was like his say. So I know it's not because he told me some things, and I thought that should have been done does nothing. We'll get who is in charge trying to figure out who's in charge. That's why the system is crumbling down for. I don't know. What's going on over? There is just Jeanie Buss. Hey, she just this stuff. Does she says she the one who told magic to to get laws up so say if she said don't want him under the bus if magic only FOX while you didn't give locks. Somebody above you said that you don't give this guy a little better than what are you have for? Okay. What is your biggest issue? With Luke Walton was my biggest issue with new Walton is the way he plays. My son. New. Talk to Luke about it at all. I never talked to how I'm gonna talk to rob a magic Lupis. Imagine. Okay. I can talk to magic rob. Because guess what? If the game is going on head coaches down there. Right. We in the back room. What am I gonna talk to him? I'm gonna go to practice and be like, let me talk to you. I always my time going to practice. Okay with how about this excuse me. I'm gonna run track. Can I talk to you know, you quack all was quiet. Blue book. You don't new book allows you to go overseas. Yeah, belgium. They got. We heard not allying heard over there. They can't get station in over the fiscal. Can you give me skip? World. Can you Shannon on one time? So I can use them. What was? Reason we global. What's going on out as I'm over here? I'm not I did took the J BA over there and whooped up on all European teams. I told they were trying to beat me too. Because I told him that say your engine tap out at one twenty and we go to one forty you a never beat us. You know, many times they had to take a picture with me after losing. They didn't want that pitcher. But if you don't change the engine in that car you never win. So I keep going. I want them. You guys can't catch me. We too fast, and he's on the system, and I got in place very successful on a UC on high schools and UCLA if you listen to me you won't win. But there are part is why we gotta listen now if you wanna win listen because I tell you how to win. My system is full proof. Very success. Lugan get fired anytime soon as. Any times players wanna whip you ask you got to get out of him. Talk it out the right people to talk it out with hollow is reported. It was devel- Beasley come on. Now, though that look maybe maybe if his Brandon Ingram Makusi or maybe a Casey p okay, I can get they might want to do it. But they not bolt like, but I'm saying you don't been on Tintin he'd been living team. You not in no position to talk about talk about your playing time of something going on that you don't like, well, you can talk about that. If somebody come at you and call you selfies and. And. Looking at it was like how can I be selfish? I'm only out there for ten minutes. You'll be. You only get in ten minutes during the ball. Come to your Tila Getty. Coming down, Panama. Lavar would be best for Lonzo to be traded. Is it they it'd be best for Lonzo to be traded or get a new coach you want new coach guess who it is. You look at for coaches in Brian. Endorse Ron on the bench. No, everybody already. I watched him coach a game after he went out. He he did. Agree with this. But but most of the guys who's usually the best coach after the head coach gotta go is a guy that's being quiet as the assistant coach, you can do the same thing. We bled Tiro, Tyrone Lou all the right things to do. But he knocking tailed his guy who's a head. But I tell you all answer to really not get along with Brian. Brian look, and look and be like, you know, what the ball going in laws. Those I want you other guys sprint down of the way. Don't be put to hand back. Tom body. I'm dribble up this time. We're going to offense. Lonzo does best flying up down in court. But if you got four people back, you're like, this you take away that long past that, you might see it once or twice. Hey, do it ten fifteen times game. If you run an and and I've said this he does a great job running the offense. Getting the ball out the rim of the oppose the other sprinting court what happened in the half court. You're gonna have quite fit to Lonzo. I mean why because you can't run every play out. Now Lombok stopping you watch any of the teams anytime I boys play we fast-break every single time does Showtime Lakers did not run every single plate. Are you out your mind? You look and see what they did you go back in the day. And tell me how many half court times, they did it because you know, why why did it up twenty and Korean get down? And there've been timing Scott exact Pat Riley, they dump it down to they dump it down to time come out in the bar. How many times a bunch of time? You gotta be crazy. You need to go back and watch that. Y y you glance at them. But you. And watch them like you supposed to. Yeah. Hey, tell me that worthy run a hundred miles. Byron Scott run a hundred miles an hour on all of that was his straight run. That's why they call it Showtime. All the halftime, they didn't. But they didn't ruin every single. Okay. Well, one hundred possesses. They've ran ninety seventy. Okay. That's a lot of okay with. Of course, it when they when they when you. You all. Alonzo's have court offenses nonchalant dribble. Half-hearted pass off to the win. He goes in the corner. What kind of what if a guy who makes everybody better? Why do you put him in a corner? Will you get what you want to do to? Have course it. How would you have if ham core top screen and roll very simple? Let him the ball when he throws the ball. Guess what don't dribble shoot very easy? So you eat. So he needs to be in the system with the picket role now system pick and roll. He needs to be in a system where y'all give him the ball every time and let it make the decision with the ball. And you other four guys if you don't get a rebound sprint be the first one on the base. Oh, they're easy. And you know, and you know, who can do this. We ought to Phoenix in my other two signs. They will sprint to the baseline every single play. They don't get a rebate, you do know. Guess what that ball coming out of you notice the guy on on lonzo's team wasn't. A lot of those not the baseball team. Are you crazy? Are you say better LeBron? Yes. Wasi? That lose your I lose again, you can't go there. The point in older. I mean. I'll make zone better than abroad if I'm coaching because I'm gonna let him loose. And you're going to hail coach in Phoenix thin. Coach phoenix. I'm just giving them the first right of refusal like the Lakers trying to get the boys. You don't wanna miss find? Somebody gonna take all through my boys. Go somebody. Good close in age. We got a lot of the. If you ruined it by talk about Lonzo is better than LeBron. You know, that's not true. You know? Why would you mean why why why why because LeBron been and leave for fifty years? How do you judge LeBron being better than my son? I ain't gonna say nobody better than my son don't care if my son can play which I know what his shooting in passing plan and running the Bronx hurt you getting old. He didn't know he didn't know I'll tell you this. He can't go allows on break, lavar K mood FA guy shooting. Twenty three percent of the ten percents from the free throw line hockey be better than the goat. You talking about percentages shooting on free throws tell me about free. What about the Bronx in front of the? Tell you what he'd been legal on time. He not able to make no free. He ain't got some forty percent shot twenty percent from the three point line. He ain't got us through twenty percents. Okay. Home cares about the percentages of the shots. You know, what I care about where the winning could shoot twenty percent. But if you make the game winner everytime suits wave game with emitting Vic south when it's time to make big big show. Big. Big time you've been on the free throw line. And it's time to make it at the end man if the games in hand we down by one or two. Make this stuff. Right more. Do you've gotta fix the free. Throw. You do that. You got to be back to fix the free throw K? This the free throw to tell him a couple of things making make them right up candy. I'm not gonna tell me why go target go. New fix all though. Get a new coats our fix all that. It's a couple of things. I gotta say. Lonzo shots very easy. Free throws is not a big deal. Here's the thing about free throws shoot him any kind of what you want. It's a mindset can't make the free throw when you trigger your mind. You could practice all day in practice and you can make fifty in a row, but you get to the game. I mean, you this up there. No. But if you say certain thing that makes him I know to tell him to make all his free throw why you undermining system. You want to help their marijuana hell by all right? All right. Break. We're still not back with. No. All is still with us in the VAR. My question for you. And be honest about the trade rumors with Lonzo truly mentality is so important the same where is his head at with his name being in the discussion. Me truly personally. He's like whatever you wanna do is fine. That's that's how Lonzo role came out like me with he not gonna get an attitude. He not point fingers shooting. He's no, no, no. You can't be like it'll be like. Be like himself and onto all my boys. They don't try to be like the beat be who you are. Right. And and coming from south central and be a little more boisterous. No more meaner alpha dogs are gonna come from that they not going to be team players not too much on the fact that they tried to get out of a situation. So they're gonna be man salt me, I work for my family this as opposed to team oriented, I've been to shelter my boys and chino hills. You ain't gonna fight. Nobody. You just good. It's come on work outside. You have a good time. Right. So his mindset is my we'll have you wanna guide me if you with me, whatever you want me to do with. No, I'm not going to be like, even I wanna say he knock on saying that he just going to be like, you know, what if you try me I'm gonna make this goal. If you keep me, I'm gonna do what I can't make this team golden. But if you keep me in Luca's air, Lonzo understand loyalty the point of no return between him and new corners. No return. No. Because now. No retired is over no matter. What he does best player? We can start you all the time. Okay. Into you have attitude and do something game. So I'm intrigued by your your idea of building a ball dynasty. Yes. With the Phoenix. Yes. Because you're going to the bottom of the toughest conference. Right. You're saying we're going to build it from scratch, your including your other two, son. Gotta be gotta be have you spoken to anybody? With the sons about this idea. I haven't talked to anybody about the size. This is all me if they wanna listen to it five somebody is going to be out there. And like, I tell my boys. You end up. I think everybody ends up. What supposed to be? Everybody ends up. We're got us. If you put the time in to get where you want to be or you don't put the time in. So don't get mad if you down here and don't get mad if you up here if you put that time here, and and that's why that's why I look at things like this. Like, I've always told my boys it'd be the best players in the world. And we just getting started five years go by from guys me where you think is gonna happen as my boys would be the face of NBA because everybody's going be getting no. Everybody get no was to be coming in light. And guess what? When you build it from the bottom up. The foundation is good. That's like the big baller brand. We still talking about it. That was supposed to be hit and miss Lousa when the league done deal and all of I heard from is saying that's because you're looking at me as lonzo's dad and not as the CEO of a brand not of what I'm a businessman. I gotta go do other things. I can't just be sitting there and people what we need you see this about that you not because I got to other signs as not in the league. And I gotta do some other things to get them noticed to getting because bottom line is is point as to get all my boys in the league. Second thing is I want all on the same team. So however that happens, that's odd. Like a billion billion when you know, the odds of coming in league, which brand how about phobia one. But what if it doesn't happen? What do you mean was I'm going to keep working into the does? I'm gonna keep working until the dozen guess what is going up. Somebody will be out the answer. You know, what this this this this really works? How good could youngest son become youngest could be the best one on the fact that he gets to watch the other two jello has the potential to be the best on the fact that he the biggest strongest when is he now height wise who's that mental seven six seven six seven. Could he be six I told him? He's going to be the tallest about six as nine easy. Everybody's going to be over six six six. So everybody's six six and above on the fact that they get a couple of more inches from my wife being six one. True. So lamelo. Shooting goes, he's by far the best right shooting goes, no Jilin. Joel jello. The best gore. My family. Really? Yes. My far gentlemen played on everybody's team. That's the middle piece. Also does great would hit. Nobody mellow does. Great respect for the middle. Nobody no respect. No, your colours to guard NBA. What what what what is it about him? A what is it about his game? They don't like what is it about his game? Don't let they love his game. But being in the middle got. You've got to kind of take what comes with that middle thing, which is not a lot. You can't can't free Mazdas. Even though I've got three miles jello. Jello jello in the middle had to take a lot of flack the reason. He drafted situation did all my boys. But I told him you take one from the team for the team. And this I explained to him. You know, you shouldn't did that you go to UCLA ball out of control your top ten. Pick lavar does then get on money. We'd go right. But by doing that, snatch Melo outta chino hills. You UCLA I go overseas connections over there without that. I don't have no water j I don't create Jay. I don't go overseas. All this stuff. Doesn't happen said that we find. So you make you make the best of. Yes. And so that's the route he s to go now where everybody has to say, you're not that good UCLA, and he lightened up and now he's Tampico now, I don't worry about no other league. I mean mellow chino hills. Let him do what he do. But we don't we don't do. These other avenues nothing is created by. I don't have a home league ball. Be eligible for college. All right. I wish we had more time far. But. You know? Kevin Durant scored twenty three points in the warriors blowout win last night. But everyone is talking about what happened after the game Katie can become a free agent at the end of the season in recent articles in the Atlantic and other places said he will leave Golden State for the Knicks. Katie hasn't talked to the media since Kristaps Porzingis was traded last week. But he made it clear that his free agency was not a topic. He wanted to discuss let's here we've noticed that. You hadn't talked for a while. Is it anything to do with anything on your mind? Or is it just been coincidence? Evan. Because usually talk well. Talking. It was anything in particular. Do with conversation about free agency the conversation you have. I don't think about that type of stuff nothing to do with the Knicks. I don't know who traded posing as I got nothing to do. With me. I'm trying to play basketball y'all come in every day actually about free agency x my teammates. My coaches roundup the fans about it. Let's play basketball. That's all I'm saying. And now, I wanna talk the problem with me. Goma grow up. Grow up. Yeah. You grow up. How are you playing house attained plane? I'm done. Care about that. I just asked you. Okay. The grow apart. Remember to as my Dickel, Mike. Why are you? So grumpy, why are you here? The lie, but Crispus arts still with us. So what do you make these comments from Katie let me say this first of all I get it from a human standpoint when you are constantly being criticized constantly being written about positively negatively all that constantly being psycho analysed constantly being speculated about and some of that speculation. And psycho analysis is wrong is off, you know, I'm not saying Ethan Strauss was but just in general some of it is off eight can get to you. I understand that as a human being. But what Katie has to understand is whenever you are in a job in the public sphere. Whether it's an athlete and actor and entertainer, a politician. You get screwed. You get criticized you get Chris I've gotten criticized like part of the job look at the most powerful man in the world the president whether it was Trump before him Obama. They are. Constantly being criticized crushed in the media that comes with the territory, and you get paid handsomely for it. I know money doesn't solve all problems. But it's a nice consolation. And we Katie says, I just wanna play basketball. No, you don't if you just want to the why don't get paid into one. He's running open gym all day Roker ticket, right? You want to play basketball. You wanna make the millions of dollars? You want to get all the perks and benefits him in the shoe deal. And all that I this comes with the territory, I get this not fun is the human being. But I get it a comes with the territory and part of it for K D is knowing who you are like a Michael Jordan and Tom Brady. Clearly, they thrive often Brady said Jordan used to they thrive off the negative criticism and stuff in the press. Some guys are indifferent to it other people are so sense. Tive and their personality or people pleaser, and when they see criticism it gets in their head, and they got all of these voices in their head and can't do their job. I think LeBron realize that we're after they lost the Dallas. That's when you start going zero dark thirty twenty three is that what he called during the playoffs all social media. I can't let all this stuff in my head pay attention to it. If I were advising K D if I was his age rich climate, his boys, whatever Katie you need. He needs to get all social media. Right. He needs the not read the pay possible. Right. I know he's a millennial right? You need to go zero six months he wrote him miserable. And you have to know who you are their players that play for the Knicks that play for the jets and the giants that don't read the paper because they don't look at the back page because they know it'll mess with me Katie needs to get off of social media. And that's part of growing up is recognizing who know who you are. I can't I can't handle it messes with me, it's making me miserable. Yeah. Go ahead and go, but can you imagine him in New York? Look if he goes there with the kyri or somebody else, he'll be okay because they'll be really good K D. Do not go to New York by yourself. Not going to championship. You're not gonna probably won't even be Eastern Conference fine list. If you go by yourself, and they will destroy they will kill you. So don't you rights? Don't even think about going to New York if you can handle it. I've said for years. Kevin Durant is the thinnest skin superstar. I have ever observed in any sports, but I'm going to treat him. Now. The way I treated Jordan and the way I now treat Tom Brady. I don't care what they did off the floor. I don't care about Brady's Giselle and a boots and the Trump I don't care about any of it. I just care about how you perform in less. What you're doing off the field starts interfere with what you do on the field. I don't care about it. I only know that Tom Brady is a cold blooded killer in the clutch in Super Bowl after Super Bowl. He's done it six times with six game winning drives in the fourth quarter overtime for six rings. Kevin durant? Has impressed me greatly. As a basketball player in the. Finals where I thought his thin skin would break in the finals. I thought the first finals with Golden State. He was under intense national scrutiny everybody in the NBA world waiting for him to fall flat on his face, and he took it over and he made the shot of shots. Right. Lebron's face. And then he won back to back finals MVP's man that that that really impressed me because I didn't see that coming. So to me, I told Shannon this earlier until you this now the more I watched that rant. It feels contrived. It feels a little premeditated to me because Kevin's always had this weird sort of identity crisis and my good guy or bad guy. I think he likes being the bad guy. Remember, they tried the shoe campaign for a while back and maybe twenty thirteen. Kevin Durant is not nice, relax. He's coming across to night. Right. So now, he just he loves being the bad guy. And I think he just cook. This. To this opportunity. Just he just seized the opportunity to go on a rant that felt a little over the top. Like he was just waiting for the basketball question because he'd already rehearses mind, I'm going to drop the mic at that point. I'm going to walk off. And it just felt a little stage to me because he he thrives on this. He he lives on social media because it's like his life blood. He needs people say you light really because here's veins miserable though. No. But I'm Brady relish. I mean, you see Tom Brady's. He didn't see misery relishes John Morton relished a Kevin love the validation that when when they say, Katie you better than LeBron. Katie you this Katie you that if the criticism he's willing to accept the praise relation is the criticism. But you know, when you great at anything skip, even Michael Jordan faith criticism. No matter how great you are. I mean, the best baseball basketball, whomever, wherever what it is. You're gonna pay criticism. So if you willing to accept the the praise in adulation, you got to be willing to take some criticism because if you can't if you only want to hear praising adulation ereck ereck U K D at some point time is a part of your job. I get it. You wanna just do this? But I can assure you if the. They're not asking Loni questions right after Queen cook question if they weren't f you question, you're gotta shoot from Nike. You're not making thirty minutes, you know, have a three hundred million dollar shoe contract with Nike if they're not. If those reported in that asking Ukwa, there's a reason why the guys they get the majority of the questions. Those are the guys that make the big books. Those are the guys that have the shoe contract. They go hand in hand. Katie. I know you understand that. And I know against Bush trading, but everybody can't just Pat you on the back and throw roles pedal that jet, you won't mind and Katie has to understand like he went he he's all over the place with the media. You know, he was talking to a podcast every week. It seemed like he was on a different podcast. And then he went dark, right? Eight days. I think he didn't talk to me right next made the train that's play. He favored into talking talking a week from now. Say same detonated this. He's the most successful Golden State warrior pre and post game. He's the one who talks the most they need drops out of sight, right after what would you think? That's why people I was talking to somebody today in the league that was like they think this upsetting to because it's really what he wants to do. Sure. He does wanna go Knicks, and he will be taught he saying Kyrie's one of his closest friends. You know, I know he knows who knows what could be in store with him and somebody else going to New York. But he and he doesn't want to ruin the seat this season. That's the thing. But it's all because I can think how uncomfortable. It must be to walk into that locker room with everybody thinking, you're on your way, outta one big Raymond's already under one. I'm not a one on legs. Well, that's what I'm saying. He called you're going to talk about right now what he got nothing to do with me. He said till you face. Now, if one thing while her such and such said this about you get may if my grandma say, boy, they what they say behind your back is someone willing to say to you base that have the most impact on your skill betas. The man skill. I you heat a competition. Imagine I play fourteen years. I play college ball play high school. I can't imagine a teammate. Now, maybe somebody from their Poland teams. They can't get it. You know, you say but a team e go call me to my face in the hill. Which you got some muscles Kato. You got some of the Brandon because the same guy called him. Clarified. It. No, you go that opponent fan that at one thing. But I got you. Hey, babe. All right. Can you need the social media manager? Let's just get off. Katie, katie. No, no. Barkley had a better rookie season Baker Mayfield. According to pro football, focus, they ranked their top one hundred and one players this season and put saquon twenty-seventh while Baker was ranked seventy fifth the season saquon became the third rookie running back in NFL history. With over two thousand yards from scrimmage. He was also named AP offensive rookie of the year over Baker last weekend. Shannon. Do you agree with these rankings? Everyone about agree with Joan means not defend the fans in the pamphlet Zad sake while Rugen here, the fifty men and women that right where the AP and the votive saquon up nine skip Benneteau me like a month ago. Pro football, focus. There's a lot of guy that used to run team and quarterbacking all they're doing what date they want. They want more take shot. To me. Yes. I would say just watch TV with new sound. Third rookie think is giving rookie to rougher had to have two thousand scrimmage yards. Eric Dixon hall of fame. Edry James has been twice on the hall of fame. Ballot. So wait, you just chewing saquon right into the whole thing. Well, that's what you just said. He's own elite level status. Eric Dixon in the hall of fame. I believe one day Edgerrin James will make so saquon is well on weight, I'm Sammy. But after rookie year he did. What's your sh enshrine in August? You can do an early ballot. Right sponsoring how about questionnaires saquon Barkley is a top five running back. Do you feel comfortable saying skip that maker may feel of the top quarterback? What about Eugenie he now? He's getting there. I do well when you get near their radio high higher than what he is skip, look, I get and I get I know you upset that Baker wasn't higher or he wasn't in front of a saquon. But and he said it rookie record for touchdown passes. But you know, it's easier to throw to them not that easy. But it's easier to throw when then in the eighties than when the nineties when the rules were set up that you could do whatever you wanted to the resume, and you can do whatever you wanted to the quarterback is there is different now and the running back position, they devaluate the they don't run the football is much. And plus that off the ladder Saint why Renna behind if you if you add up the yard that he had the die. The guy the backfield. He probably had to Russia could offer offic live, whatever. So I got no problem with this maybe should have been seventy fifth, but he definitely will by any metric. Should not been ahead. A one saquon Barkley, really reasoning. So everybody knows how I feel about these kind of rankings. The quarterback position is so much more valuable than the running back position. You can find running Dave. They just talking about how you performed it's just such. It's on such a higher level the way Baker performed from the way saquon performed that. It's ludicrous that he would be seventy fifth to twenty seven. It's like fifty spots between eight okay? Well, it's fifty to me feels like if dean it feels wrong in ironically. And counter intuitively pro football focus ranked Baker season as the ninth best quarterback season in all of football. That's what they said. Where this would you believe that pro football focus selected Baker Mayfield is the offense rookie of the year and graded him the sex. And highest rookie ever since they've been in existence to Russell Wilson. And they make the point that Russell Wilson benefited from more of a run based offense as a rookie where they were keeping him out of harm's way. While Baker the whole offense was built around his arm and his legs Bill to call them tyrod for Tyron, I don't think he did. So Baker Mayfield did take it over in the jets game in if I count that game. He went seven and seven which is pretty great considering what they were up against an e add some showcase performance. Baltimore. And that was big time in Baltimore on the road with big time. Would you believe that his thirty nine what they call big time? Throws down the field. Throws that rank third most in the NFL last year and even though he had fourteen interceptions to his twenty seven touchdowns. Pro football focus has him only fifteen turnover worthy plays the whole year. Only fifteen fourteen resulted in interceptions. But their point was he's not what I tell you careful gambler denied tell you that coming out Oklahoma. I told you what? Generational back. Generally is not a general. He is ice seeing on your cake. He is not the cake in the stat screened. He was icing last year because he wanted it. Let's do is Russia's one thousand three hundred seven rush arts. I if I take away the longest run each game. No, yes. I can I can do this one long the longest run. I just subtracted each game that reduces rush total to seven hundred eighty three. So he goes from five yards a carry two three point two yards. A carry and I can go game by game early game gets Jack. We'll wait a second. Guess Jacksonville at sixty eight yard run. If you take that away seventeen place for thirty seven Baker. He brings you seventeen for thirty at cannot run it consistently between the tackles because he's a two yard a Carey rusher between so if you're gonna do that can we take one touchdown per game away from Baker Mayfield on it wouldn't hurt him. If it would it would. So instead of throwing for three in a game. Keith for two. Ginny is death off a two Hebrew for one running back is what he's your bell. Cow. We want he wouldn't be able to establish the run Idi do cannot establish the run with saquon. I sing on cake. Not the ball Bank. The best Beckett. NFC east you best back in the hitting did. Did you about the Dallas Cowboys? Did you forget I'll take easy Cheol. Hundred Sundays out of a hundred you take it into. I'm taking him to the house. My guy got big play petition you tell me yoga like he gained a little weight. He came Bridget off low rose ledge hammer. Chamula? I'll take him any day. I can win a championship with my guy. You can't wear ship with eighty next year. Maybe we'll see what happens in free agents. I know in may be up to twelve by by September first next year because you're in huge trouble. Trying to Bank on history. History says every other year they missed the playoffs. History can be grown. I'm begging on killing more. Oh, you know, Callum more about the chain. Look here killing more Mary Tyler Moore. I don't care going not go into the playoff Bank that equals get on vein. Sean mcveigh. I hope it's not Sean McVay in the Super Bowl. Why you do that? You know, what maybe he can turn into John McBain? Maybe he can be a you just go into the upper here, you know, how to do anything in moderation sake on or quads is Baker calls. Got the big time. Clogged calling long. Okay. He can be cloning can be whatever you wanna call. I'm calling him five eleven and I'm not talking about his height. I'm talking about his record. He is. He went five and eleven. Changed? Yeah. You've had a quarterback with the most important position. He's more valuable. Really? Yep. He's a lie. Now that would be called a Brian to call him old lap. Really? Yeah. So I would add on the most valuable player the most important player. So would you rather have the ninth overall rated quarterback or the icing on a cake? Take a quarter. I read we'll get a year you about Eugene rookie year going in. I said Baker should be the first overall pick. Did he not back me up? Want? You meet them earn back and he going to be rookie year. Backmile? Oh, Quantico make me out to be no Lau next year. I might say might for them eighteen hundred I how do differ he'll put a case of doing this right here right now right here right now sake. What have more yard somebody needs to save? You from yourself will have more rush yard than Zeke more rush yards rushing yards done. Now now now on the house zika. Gotta case one case this at least to know that we already got I'm good winning over here. Into this to yourself. We got nowhere about this time. Thank you. We're about. How big old long touchdown run? Eight Samna eighty we're gonna bring. Diet mountain dew is the breakfast of champions too bad. You won't have on the twenty nine hundred twenty nine I'm already up. Four twenty nineteen twenty twenty. We're going. What? Saquon real good a year. Lord have the best thing about this. When you said, his nickname watts. Did you hear about their backed Baker has to buy a custom chain with odds on it? I love that. Faye Bakker from him sale know, what Baker needs this because he's another chip on shoulder. This'll be motivation. It's something that's going to drive. Go drive on you wanna show that he and the flash in the paint. So he come back with eighteen hundred already mostly flash. What is he saying doesn't right? Down. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Jenny Tafoya back. Same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern. Why?

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Best Of (Lonzo vs. LaMelo, Aaron Rodgers' trade demands, Cam Newton vs. Mac Jones)

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Best Of (Lonzo vs. LaMelo, Aaron Rodgers' trade demands, Cam Newton vs. Mac Jones)

"The brand new fox sports app has received some amazing news. That's been nominated for a webby award. Hey congratulations app. We need your help. Make sure you cast your vote for the spock. Sports app at vote dot webby awards dot com in the best sports app. Category voting closes this thursday. So make sure you tell your friends and family cast their vote as well. Now back to the podcast. Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host jenny taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip shannon. Let's go funds of all scored thirty three points in the pelicans win over the warriors last night tying is prayer high that he set just within the past week. Meanwhile on those little brother lamelo put together another dazzling performance in his return from a wrist injury dropping. Twenty three points in a win over the pistons that kept the hornets in the hunt for the eight seed in the eastern conference playoff race shannon imagined dinner between these two. It'd be interesting. Watch brother will be the better. Nba player lonzo or lamelo ski. We lose light. Lamelo is going to be a star. Lonzo show flashes every now and then but every night. I'm impressed by the younger brother in what he's been able to do. Especially on the offensive end. He could shoot the ball better than i thought and skip coming out of college. Lonzo was known as the passer. He can't hold a candle. The mello- mellowed better passer. He's the better shooter. He's scored a higher clip. He's sixteen six six as a nineteen year. Old lonzo is fourteen five and six and year four. So i'm i'm gonna take the baby bro. Six he's only gonna get better. He's he's this good at nineteen. I can only imagine what he's going to be like when he's law those age when he's lonzo eight he'd probably going to be an all star. He has that kind of village. This kid has the. He looked special to me the past that he made sunday skip the underhand path from the full length of the court. Yeah i'm not so sure. Many guys would even attempt that let alone be able to pull it off. So i'm gonna mellow. Because i believe he has a higher upside drip predict based on what. I've seen the little samples out of that. I've seen. I don't know if i've seen this from love. I love what i saw from lonzo last night. He had a horrible shooting performance on monday night and he bounced back in the biggest of ways he took the last second shot. He took it upon himself like nah. I'm better than that so he did. Show me something. But i'm going baby brown and by the way could we see that last second shot seconds left and eighteen foot step back jumper by lonzo foot. Can you believe this. I never thought i'd see the day. That's for the game right. That was the game winner. Take that which. Wow interesting in my head that in and i didn't know and he'd scripted clean to the locker room camp as more so i'm going to hang in with lonzo because i believe baby. Bro is actually more advanced in basketball than lonzo is because lonzo's growth has been stunted by his predicament that he got thrust into magic. Johnson proclaimed his his jersey jersey would hang up in the at staples as the second overall. Pick to markelle faults or macho full boy. he's had a rough rough yahoo. He's gone again. So the point is that was win. Lavar ball painted the biggest target on lonzo's back in the history of rookie targets on back. He said he's already better than steph. Curry and magin just blessed him knighted already. You know in here. We went in remember the first game. Patrick beverley just terrorized lonzo at staples and then pointed to lavar up in the stands. This is for you. And i think every point guard he said this is for you and this is for you and this is for you. It was a rough ride. Somehow he and luke fell apart immediately then lavar publicly was all over. Luke walton and now lavar is all over. Stan van gundy in new orleans. So point is the baby. Bro has had silver spoon his mouth all the way even though he had to pay more of a price because he went to lithuania and then he went to australia but it was great for him. Because he's he was playing pro basketball. It matured his game a lot faster because when he got to the nba. It didn't seem to bother him. One bit write only in the last couple of months has lonzo ball finally come out of his shell and become a man right before your very eyes and he has recreated himself. He has completely changed. That shot from ear to hear it is now completely conventional. And would you believe that lonzo ball. I never thought. I'd say this is making thirty nine percent of his threes. Would you believe that effectively. He outshot steph curry last night. Thirty three would you bleed that into the last three games. He scored thirty three point so he is starting to realize his potential right before your very eyes in ways. That baby bro is he realized his right out of the box because he had no nothing hanging over his head no expectation you said even does come out into a yeah his rookie. Twenty nine thirty percent from two three issue. Thirty eight thirty nine percent for the three so he's gotten better. Can you imagine what lamelo go look like where he gets better. Yeah except lonzo. Couldn't make forty percent of his free throws now he's an eighty percent free throw shooters so i think he's on the rise and look at their stats. Their stats are like mirror. Images of each other like lonzo right now is fifteen five and six sixteen six and six and it's thirty nine percent from three thirty seven percent for lamelo and from the field. They're about the same there. Eighty percent for lonzo and seventy nine percent for the kid from the free throw line. So they're like near images and it was funny last night. Lamelo scored eleven in the fourth quarter and they needed all eleven at detroit to throw to look a he did but guess what lonzo scored twelve in the fourth quarter against a pretty hot team and he made all four of his free throws down the stretch in the fourth quarter so they had mirror image games even last night. So they're like weirdly similar to each other except here point. I give you baby grows about an inch taller. And he's three years younger. Let's get four years younger. So can you imagine one thousand nine twenty-three writing so the four years. Yes give when he when he gets when he gets. A vos. eight is curtains. Okay but i don't think that lonzo can't hold a candle to him as a pass or more with cream in the game because he he's having more fun point that's what everybody all those passer you mean. We thought the is going to be the score and he can go. I believe he's a better score. The only difference is i think lonzo was better overall player. Skip because he plays both ends of the court mellow if you noticed. They getting certain situations they take. They take mellow out for defence substitution bringing back in with they get the ball. He's gonna have to get better at basket because you don't want to keep him on the floor because you're not always get an aside out of something like that. You always want to try to have him on the floor but but lonzo right now is a better player. I just don't know how much longer he's going to be able to fend off. Millo 'cause mellows coming. He's he's special. Lonzo has been a far superior defensive player. He can stop on perimeter and shut you down but this year. That whole team is not playing defense in van. And i don't know what it's like. They're revolting zone. I see all these guys. Get max contract. A none of them played defense. I see ingram as jason tatum. Fox i doubt the mitchell. It ain't nobody plans. Let me get me when when it made right now in defense of wind shares baby. Bro is actually ranked a little higher at one hundred ninetieth zoe's at one ninety seven so just in sheer wind shares. He's a little higher he can steal the ball. He will lock you down rice to face. But he'll be low skill. Bali rudy gobert. Get paid to play defense. Everybody else you better be hitting the ball in the bucket. That's what you're paying so zoellick man. I'm to give me one of these days. But i like mellow i love what i'm saying. Dan said his dad said the the baby is going to be the best. He always said it but lonzo to me has been tortured. Psychologically where he just he. He's often looked like he's not having fun out there. The kid looks like he's having a ball with no so to speak. Could you know ask you because he went to a team and it says hugh eagles this biak in his eye on the third option millo the first option and remember they went and got a little bledsoe to be their guard everytime. What does he always here. Trade the lakers this whole while here. Trade guess what trade the mandate thinking about fighting and trade this off season. I want to get somewhere where they won't me. Let me. i can just go play. I'm not the speculation or the source of all these trade rumors. Every time he comes up. With my t i. I agree and remember baby. Bro has a better coach. Because that james breglio. He's the popovich deciding. He can coach and right now to stay in vain. I like stay in bed. You like it. Do you see what's happening with all that talent. Thirty and thirty six there in the t the two out of the tennessee. They will play defense. Listen to james. Brady go because right now. There are thirty two and thirty three in there in the eighth seed they might have been. They were in the field of sixty before mellow got hurt. Yeah so. I love what the kid said last night on the local. Charlotte telecast is watching the game and then. The postgame interview puts on the headphones. And he's talking and he was asked by the interviewer. Well you're so many overhand passes. Did you play baseball at all. And he said now. My brothers both play baseball. But i just hooped souped up. And that just summed him up. All he's ever done is soup and he loves to hoop and it shows that it is a joy to play basketball to him. It has not been a joy until maybe the last month or so lonzo to play basketball. Well they we'll get some where going to be happy and they you know i'll keep talking about trade and man play well. I'm happy that he's playing better. But i won't take. I won't take a baby. Charlotte wilder here to tell you about my new podcast. With marc titus called the people sports podcast it comes out every thursday and mark and i take one of the big stories of the week and then we go off on tangents. You never saw coming. This might mean that we start talking about the dodgers winning the world series and end up wondering if knicks fans deserve happiness or begin with lebron's greatness and end up drafting ultimate beer league softball team made up of old athletes whatever. It is the only rule of the shows that it has to be fun and funny because these days we could all use as many laps as we can get so. Check it out wherever you get your podcasts. And come down weird sports rabbit holes with us. We can't wait to have you guys. Here's the situation. Aaron rodgers time in green bay may be coming to an end and everyone has an opinion on who shoulders the blame for a possible. Divorce here on many are quick to point out rogers prickly personality as the main issue. Here it doesn't change the fact that green bay has never been ultra-aggressive in either the draft or free agency to give the three time. Mvp a full array of offensive weapons to win another super bowl. He's been vocal about that so she hadn't who is most to blame for the situation or the packers. Aaron rodgers is not without fault. Skip is being reported. This morning about bob magana athletic that air rogers ma brand guna team group chats collingham jerry krause now i didn't i didn't know you. You know bomb again. You say he's been around the packers for some forty years so he's very knowledgeable. He's really tied in to this. Who don't remember the last dance. Jerry krause was michael. Jordan's michael despised because he i guess he's called j across because he believes is about him. And not them with jerry. Krause believe he was like i do you. Y'all do it anyway. Skip look the whole problem. You can trace it back to a lot of things in some people say about coomer role. Some say i've been reading reported that you've got say they were going to resign. Jerry cook and lead. Jerry could go and the ended up signing martellus bennett. More money. Who ended up staying with my her. Did he got out of that and went to new england with the super bowl. You there are a lot of things. But i believe a lot of it can be traced back to where they fired his his his quarterback coach alexan- pill. I believe that started because that was the first time that i'd actually heard him speak out and said that he was disappointed that he was kept in the dark that they were getting rid of him. So now you start with that. And then you come all the way to the quarterback in the first round trading up scale like. I said if you know somebody skip if you in a relationship you know. Ernest got certain corks. You try to stay away from those myrna's tinos get betas. Guys certain quarters. She ain't come barging in the room when he watches. He knows their soda. I have no quirk. She i've been dealing with you. Yeah two hundred forty five years. And i got two hundred forty four years. Fix problems souls kim. If you know that you guys had these certain demeanor or person had a certain demeanor. You lie okay. Let me try to stay out of that situation. Let me air. I know it's not popular. But we're thinking about taking a quarterback and if one of the guys that we like of bear we're gonna we're gonna take we might have even trade up but we just wanted to keep you in the loop it because this what we think about that like i say i don't know how true it is but i i read that they told andy dalton. We're going to select a quarterback antidote. You give an antidote gadgets. Got there but they paid him a good deal of money for that they. They paid roger courts. Just just just keep them in the loop now erin. Hasn't handled this the best. I don't believe you should allow someone to hold you feel hostage. Aaron has not forgiven them all the things that he did the ways bill. He's been rolled. Yeah and this is what we know about. Aaron skip the little bit that we do know and brett farve says he will hold a grudge and it doesn't seem to be letting go i don't know if he's going to let it go is a total war is basically saying like you said like him or me. Yep do you want to be publicly because guterson's basically you said aaron you're in control you control again and you've done everything you possibly could to seize control from him. That's why you took jordan love. That's why you head coach. It didn't tell him. That's why you fight his co. quarterback coach didn't tell you wanted to see somebody control because you feel he was getting too much of the control your organization and you wanted to you a player. We run the show. Here is nichole in whale. Okay there no blame to go around for everybody's guilt. But i think the packers given the circumstance that you got a guy like that you have to handle those guys with kid gloves. You just do skill okay. I'm not saying it's the right against it but you do you. Just do okay. I hear you. But i have a question for you. Yes obviously both sides deserve some blame in the end. I believe aaron deserves far more blame than the packers do. But here's the question. Let's do the hypothetical say on draft night two years ago as they're on the clock realize they have a trade in place because you never know until it falls into your lap. Can't we'll that team trade with you so you can vault up into the first round to take your love. Yup it's going to happen. You're on the clock. It's ten minutes that you have so maybe five minutes into your ten minute period that you have you say oh my god. We got a call. Aaron if you call aaron. And he said up in malibu kickback. What's it called drinking his sleeves of used to be that scott. Okay and and you say you tell them what. Hey aaron we're about to draft your replacement is if you do not have liked that war. I believe that you go into the draft aaron. If things breakout wait we're probably going to take a quarterback in the first round we don't know definitively but if if we would that soften the blow how because you give him a heads up feel like he's blindsided skipped is still going to hurt is like in a relationship if you tell it party i wanted to lead the relationship as opposed to the shady stuff behind the person back and they finding out. That's what happened shady in in became public. Dmz caught the store. It's all you about somebody else. She could have do told you. It will go to fame. At least you had the heads up. At least he would have had the heads up but they didn't do that. They tried to early. We're thinking about replacing you and if it falls on our way in the draft to take your place. That's an awkward conversation to have with that diva you don't you don't you. Don't raise it like that. We're taking a guy who go to replace your air. We're looking to take a quarterback in the it's all about presentation skip some time to date even good but they've presented as such wants over there that little good you move ooh. The preoccupation with a taste is l. Skill that is all about presentation. How you say things like you related. That'd be like you know what. I pay a good idea or i'll take tibo. Whoa wait a minute walk you you you. You started out good. You always warn me about context. You remember what the context was. Yes so i'm going to remind you where we were a year ago. Yes the context was not good for aaron rodgers one year ago because the less than a year ago it was june eighth of two thousand. Twenty your favorite website pro football focus. Right did a top fifty players in the nfl and left off your man. Aaron rod rice in what was their logic and doing that. You did not love it. The logic was rodgers has become ever more. Evidently part of the problem in green bay and his team spent the off season laying plans to minimize his role in two thousand twenty and replace him beyond that right. Rogers finished the regular season. This is two years ago as the number nine ranked quarterback in the league by their greatest. Top team yeah and he was just seventeenth in their grading system from week. Eight onwards. okay. So my point is i kept telling you for five straight years through. This is going back through twenty one thousand nine hundred for five straight years. His numbers had fallen in qbr and in passing completion. Percent completion percentage. They had gone down down down okay so they had gone thirteen and three year but even you admitted it seemed to be a fraudulent thirteen and three and they wound up in the nfc championship. Game at san francisco and aaron stunk. It up once again in a championship game with a qbr in that game of thirty three on a scale of zero to one hundred its worst qbr in any playoff game and that made him one and three in championship games and he just now fell as you know to one end zone championship in a guy that pro football focus had ranked ninth had tonight. Best headed tonight. Best season four quarterback went to the nfc championship game in his teams tried to replace him and that same team as they try to replace him the same the same publication said he was. He was outside of the top fifty. Win the mvp. Now let's get. It was a great bounceback. Touche i give you a win. We ever seen a player ranked that low win. So either he was that he was. He wasn't that bad or they were terribly terribly mistaken in there. Don't think they were mistaken at all but he had one to. Mvp's before skip hop trying to figure out how can a guy have the best ranking a quarterback in all the football fbi outside of the top fifty. You told me the quarterback is the most important position. Usually a quarterback should have the top twenty position. I do agree with that. I would have had him in my top fifty but again he was just seventeen. Th ranked from week eight on so the whole back end of the schedule he was. He wasn't even every little blow ever sink. They say the guy's not top the heat through twenty six four and especially if they had a team in the nfc championship game. Okay i got it but down down down had come his stats and they were screaming aging aging aging time to move forward so they said we've got to move forward to see what would the thing. The jaw do with aaron rodgers is. Y'all take his absolute apex. And you george everything off the season which you whiffed forty six and five if you it patrick mahomes pithy and twelve what. He's going to be his fast. I'm gonna come down down down. We never did that with brady. We never did that with many. We never did that. Drew brees we never measured by their best a vip there because we did. Tom brady had down down seasons. Okay five thousand. Forty eight hundred five thousand so i believe that aaron rodgers attack on the green bay management is become an all out attack through leaks daily. Yeah okay i'll give you that. It's all about blame deflection because he is shrewd operator and he knows that he is now one in four in championship games in those five games. He's thrown nine touchdowns to only eight interceptions eight. You know what's that's all more reason. You should get rid of it. Because he can't win the big game. Why would you wanna hold onto a guy that's blamed flick. They can't win the big game. Why would you that guy in your locker room. Okay but have they done him wrong when i look at all the pro bowlers that he has been able to play with and they've been acquired through the draft or free agency or different ways that they had to sign these. But i'll just read a few if we start back when erin was the starting quarterback in two thousand eight charles woodson nick collins. Al harris clay matthews. Greg jennings tramonte williams chad clifton. John kuhn b j raji in jeff. Saturday josh. sitton. Eddie lacy randall. Cobb jordy nelson sam shields. I can go on. And on all the way up to and bachtiar and tj lang and hough clinton bike daniels. Then they got zero smith. Kenny clarke gyro alexander. aaron jones. these are all bowls. They all made the pro bowl is playing alongside air. Maybe you could say well. He helped him get into the pro bowl. And i'll give you some of that but he's been surrounded by a lot of talent. I don't think they've done him wrong. I don't think they've let him down. I think he's been fitted from ted thompson and also from gouda constant. long time skip. They would not go into free agent market. They wanted to develop the talent. They give every herald exander whose exemplary. They've had failure after failure at the failure. It wasn't until they started going to freeze the they got a child. Lifted and it got so proud of this. They try to develop well. Everybody else like this. We got a guy like this. Aaron rodgers is basically all in every year. They're developing okay. But i don't think gouda is bad at his job. He might be bad at public relations. He might be bad at how he's not kid. Gloved aaron rodgers. I get that. I still don't know exactly how you break the news to him that we're about to draft you replace just felt it is anytime you've been a relationship for extended period of time is a tough conversation. Nobody wants to be replaced. So it was a tough conversation that you gotta have it any time someone. Your replacement skipped is not easy especially when you're the one that's being replaced now the shoe's on the other foot we've all been replaced or replace someone near her a little more. Would you be replaced. Get it been there done that. The other side also. But it's a tough. It's a conversation that we to be straight up with you to be straight with me. Let's keep it book here. He might have been upset either way but i like this version. Just like he was not in the mix see sunday on f s one. The stars of nascar go old school with the throwback race from darlington catches some of the most iconic rights as they hit the track for the goodyear four hundred all starts sunday at three thirty eastern on f s one and the fox sports at while the patriots selected jones. Fifteenth overall. Artie it has people talking about who will be the starter week. One with patriots. Kevin newman resigned with the team in march and bill belichick back cam as the starter but also left the door open for competition saying quote. Cam is our quarterback. Whatever time jared or mac are ready to challenge and compete we'll see how that goes shannon who starts week. One cam or matt. I believe is going to be cam newton but i do not believe he'll be given the privileges of playing his bad and he did in stretches last year. Skip in being able to maintain this job could take say cameras and start in. Someone's going have to beat him out for that job. And that's coach coach. Belichick loves. he loves competition in. It doesn't matter the position you don't pay just because you got drafted. You got a big salary coach. Belichick will move on from your butt and he keeps a fire lit up on all of his players because they know skip a no guarantees ear. He'll eat his money. He'll eat mr kraft's buddy and keep it moving draft. Those guys drafted two guys. Third replaced them already. Sure would have about that. So i believe i believe cam. Newton starts to seize and as long as he's playing wailed. they're winning. Continue to be in there. But i don't believe he has. The leash likey had last year because they were stretch. He played really bad and kept his job out. Believe that happens this year. He doesn't play well for a period of time. Maybe three four games back jones going to get that job and by the way cams. Qbr last year we ranked thirtieth of thirty three qualified quarterback. Not great right okay. So you told me for several weeks on this show that mack jones was the best of the rest of the quarterback. Right the other. Four from trevor lawrence down you had mack jones and you also thought he was the best prepared to start immediate. And you might think he's better prepared than even trevor lawrence close new. Close all right. So why wouldn't bella check. Just say i got my guy. He fell in my lap at fifteen. If he's that guy just play him the way. They played payton in indy right away. We'll peyton didn't have bay. They believe camp wasn't there and you got steady. And you got brian. Hoyer believe now is a different. But that's a different set of circumstances. They'd having cam there most of those guys that start right away skip they they remove it if you remember scale 'cause palmer. He didn't start rookie year. Although i remember cam starting because he just lit that league up was killed. Jimmy clausen was the gotten so they got rid of jimmy. Khloe all right. But you could see mack jones starting from day one. It's just you're in a tough spot because you love cam and you love doing the question meals. Do i believe. Jones is more ready to be starting quarterback right now than cam newton. I don't know. I don't. Here's what i can't put two and two together and get four in new england. How do you tailor offense to cam. And then you have mac waiting not not in the weeks. He's like on the eh like he's looking over cam shoulder ready in game. Four five or six to jump in and start right. How do you remake the offense on the fly for mack jones because that would be the old brady off where they would. They did it with a with a lamar jackson. When he was there with a flacco flacco they they just they junked it in. So guess. What once mac become starter a lot of the things that a lot of the players that they run the quarterback draw and things of that nature. Be running you remember. How different offense look with jimmy. As opposed to tom there were a lot more bootlegs. There were a lot more. I don't think he was quite as dramatic. Is no no what i'm saying. So you tailor. The offense to the that best fit the skill set at the quarterback. That's playing at. The time is not skipping like i'm saying they're not going to be no wholesale change. There's not going to be a lot of it and then we might get in there running completely different offense which to me is andy. Don't says chicago. And i suppose he'll start for a little while in place. A little above justin feels. But you need andy dalton to start in new england and you can to start chicago because the offense would be more similar even though justin feels can flat out throw it right but he can run iran for four. So you'd have a better chance of segue from transitioning from cam to justin fields as you would from andy dalton domecq jones see brought brian hoyer. Aba new england if you look at it look at kansas. city's offense. Would alan smith look at kansas city offense with patrick mahomes boy. It was similar because you start out with patrick thrown from the pocket. But you start to add a little wrinkle here and a little wrinkle. Their his first year of starting it was more conventional and it went over the edge into pure patrick along the way. And then you know you get more deep throat. So i just think the thing is is that like i said i believe cam because like i said i believe can with a year for the removed from surgery he. The year has another year under his belt in this system. So i am plus. He has more weapons to work with. So give it back. Coach belichick and going to be less lenient with the mistakes with the turnovers with the bad played. Because i feel. I've given you so much more than what you had the year before. Even mr kraft's that we can expect can be successful with the taliban. We had around yup if mack jones is good as you think he is. I don't but if he's that good. I was starting from day one opening day. Just let him go. Because don't stunt his growth. Don't don't john elway they'll start opening day ditty. Yes whose whose idea was that. Dan rea lagasse. Joe start opening day because i found out mistaken. Steve berg was there too. I don't remember. He did start a bunch of games. I saw john horrible and they came to dallas. Joe started yes and they got beat like sixty two to seven dan marino. Start davis a straw would woodley woodley david star. Dan started ten games but that that was the old days talented that that was archaic thinking. When everybody said you gotta sit and you gotta wait. Well peyton sort of broke the mold. He just said they just throw him into the have. They removed all the veterans. He had no choice but it's weird because they had live. They handle veteran quarterback skill to say okay. If things go you've got a plan your way through it so if you thought to five after the game so i'm gonna go back on record with the kid that i liked the best trae lance okay. I believe even though he's only twenty years of age. I think he's about to turn twenty one on these turned out but he was twenty when they drafted him right. I believe he was the ready to start on day. One because north dakota state gave him so much responsibility he set the protections he called audibles the check with means the option routes. His plate was full. Et north dakota state. I get it was twenty nine thousand nine. But he's a film junkie. I just believe his football. Maturity is extreme. And he's another one where you're going to do so many different things with him other than what you do with jimmy g. that i would still cut bait with jimmy g. If somebody wants to take him and give you a to forum. I would still do. Yep and plus. I think mack jones because he played in system remember cow shanahan. Was there in two thousand. Sixteen sarkissian comes in seventeen and eighteen. And so if i'm not mistaken. They had sark easier because that was the offense that had gotten into the super bowl had led matt jones to be the mvp. So i believe he learned that system. He brought a lot of that with him. Back to alabama okay. So with that being said he understands that playing playing it alabama. Planning those big games. Kill it. There's a reason why year after year alabama has so many guys so many teams are wanting to get alabama guys. Coach saving had thirty nine. First round draft picks since he's been back in tuscaloosa. Okay so that tells me that. He knows their colt. Noser disciplined okay. Those study the game all right. I got all that. I'm on record. I believe that kalle shanahan. We'll get trae lance on the practice field whenever they start. Can't i think you'll see right away. Wait a second. I really got something. Yeah and i just think even though. They're win now because they have a chance to be a contender next year. So you'd say well jimmy g. give you a better shot really. You really really need to win. Because you give it up your draft for the next two years and you don't want those to be top. Ten top five picks. I got you definitely want to win right now. I believe they could be a playoff team with trae lance next year. Well skip if we get. This gonna be different. We'll have preseason games. We'll have many camps a lot more conventional at like going to have to probably three. I mean what's been reported that they would have three so okay. We're gonna get an opportunity to see now. Jones goals out there and he outperforms kale well off nine.

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Aaron Rodgers, Lonzo Ball, NBA, & Steph Curry

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

2:02:52 hr | 2 years ago

Aaron Rodgers, Lonzo Ball, NBA, & Steph Curry

"Thanks for listening to the heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to Fox Sports radio. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening live in lauch Angeles. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio right here. One joy Taylor. Hope you had a great and safe and happy Halloween, go to the dentist. Now. I voted eating too much candy. It was fun. How was your Halloween? Good couple of kit, Kat bars. I'm ready to go. Get back on the treadmill? I'm fine. Great Davin today. We have a pack show one hour from now Greg Cosell. I have the greatest segment and the greatest of my career John's been with me for years, and my staff won't let me lead the show with it. So I think it's gonna come up in fifteen minutes. They don't think it's lead worthy. I thought show's called the her to have a little pole around here got nothing. So I can't lead with this segment, which I think is great and fascinating interesting. And we can talk about it for five days. Yeah. And that's what my staff said voted off the island for this segment. So fifty minutes I'll start with this. Brady and Rogers meet Sunday. And once again is all talking about how great Aaron Rodgers. And he is great. I'm not saying he's not this is not here to bash Aaron Rodgers Bill Belichick was the latest the lava train here. It comes down the hill. Lavishing praise on Aaron Rodgers. Kilda's list on weekly them. So as a great player, he does everything. Well, he's reads. Coverages will vary. Vary. Accurate throwing the ball. This is one of the great quarterbacks. National football question about those everything good. I'll say playing against Aaron Rodgers very very difficult. You know, he's he's as good as anybody that I faced and we faced a lot of good ones through the years. Okay. They're going to face off Sunday. There is no comparison between Brady and Rogers. Let's get past that Tom has blown way past him. And let me give you an example here for you. And this is not a criticism of Erin. Because who I'm going to compare him to is great as well. For a long time the first seven or eight years the first seven or eight years of LeBron James career. He was compared to come Anthony. And those were fair comparisons. They were both all stars. They were both great. They were both scoring a bunch and they were both growing. But by by about year, nine eight nine the comparisons. No longer held true. That's not to say that Rogers doesn't have a better arm than Brady. And Carmelo is not a more natural score than LeBron all time he is. But after about year eight it's like, it's so lopsided stop comparing Carmelo till the brunt, I eight years you had arguments because let's remember. Laurent when his title until you're eight LeBron was just an all star. Carmelo was an all star that Carmelo got his Denver Nuggets in the Western Conference final and LeBron got his team to the Eastern Conference as a fair comparison. And then it started getting like lopsided, and nobody compares mellow and the broad anymore. Here's who you should compare Aaron Rodgers too Big, Ben. Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers are very very comparable. Let's talk head coach. Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. They both have a good head coach. Neither one of those coaches is Bill. Ballot. Check, Vince Lombardi Bill Walsh. They're both very good coaches, though, not consider the best coach in the game. Both franchises are. Blue bloods, Packer Steelers. They both went to non traditional college football programs. Cal fact junior college Cal for Aaron Miami of Ohio for Big Ben neither was taken number one in their draft class at their position. In fact, both of us that as a chip on the shoulder Aaron fell in the draft and Big Ben was the third quarterback taken in his draft. Both are very very outspoken against. They're very popular franchise. I mean Aaron Rodgers has taken not even thinly veiled shots at the Packers bosses and Ben is taken multiple shots at the Steelers and Mike Tomlin both of had really really really nice weapons. Both better than Brady Benz had. Plaxico and Hines ward Santoni homes Aaron Brown juju Smith Schuster air. That's Big Ben errands had Donald driver Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings. Devante atoms. Those are really above average wide receivers. Both generally have good offensive lines. In fact, if you look at their playoff histories, it's very similar interin Rogers playoff losses. He's lost. A some really good quarterbacks. He lost. A Russell Wilson is going to be hall of Famer. Carson Palmer may be a hall of Famer and Matt Ryan very good. But he's also got some stinkers Aaron Rodgers losses a huge favourite ally. Manning he lost a Colin Kaepernick twice any lost an old old. Kurt Warner Big Ben the same. He's got some playoff losses. Two times to Brady into Peyton Manning. The big Ben's also got some stinkers in the playoffs. He lost a Tibo, David Garard. Blake bortles. Ben and Rogers are both elusive and scramblers in ad-lib IRS that creates all time highlights, and it creates improvisation which can drive teammates, and coaches crazy. And bad interceptions and plays out of the pocket where you get hurt. In fact, both are always playing it about ninety percent health errands, increasingly banged up. Big Ben last three years increasingly banged up. You giving me these Rogers Brady comparison, stop it. It's like mellow and LeBron it worked for about seven years and then by eight nine ten eleven there's no comparison. They're both hall of famers. Mellow in the Bronner both hall of famers mellows, probably a better natural score in his first eight years, then LeBron, but when you start piling up trophies Tom Brady doesn't have a trophy case. He's got a trophy room. He didn't have a trophy wall. He's got a trophy room. Their personalities aren't the same Brady is more coach -able more humble, less condescending, not as aloof Aaron is Big Ben. And by the way, both will be first ballot hall of famers to errands credit. He no longer wants to hear about the comparisons to Tom Brady. You look at 'em. Jay lebron. It's tough to to settle any of those debates because there's the what if game and situation game and who you played for and what area played in. I'm just worried about winning right now. And. He's got five championships. So that ends most discussions. I think. That's very appropriate. Very accurate. It shows Aaron Rodgers intelligence understanding self awareness. This is not a bash Aaron Rodgers segment but LeBron mellow only worked for about seven eight years. Then it got silly Rogers Brady now has moved into silly territory. Rogers is Big Ben from the franchise to the coach to the style to the outspokenness to the banged up to the ad living to the playoff failures there. Right aligned with each other. And they are two of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen. But they're not close to the greatest quarterback I've ever seen. And that's Tom Brady. By by the way. Right now is when I should move into the greatest topic I've ever created. But yeah, but bosses staff gave it a big thumbs down. So let's move to my second segment, which won't be the greatest segment ever created for radio and television. But I think it's worthy of talking about in the first fifteen minutes of our show. Lakers one last night had a couple of big leads almost blew the game. I'm not going to break down an NBA regular season November October game, I'm not going to. But I will tell you this it once again proved Lonzo ball's better than Rondo and I've been on this for two weeks. Lonzo ball played twice them in its Rondo last night. The Lakers one again when that happens. That's happened. Four times there three and one. And the only loss was in overtime. Lonzo by the way was three for three on threes. Lonzo by the way, had seven assists and no turnovers and Lonzo has separated himself defensively. He is much better than Rondo for all the Lonzo ball haters. He is better than Rondo. And the Lakers are better when he plays more minutes than Rondo, Rondo is moody and inconsistent Rondo picks, his spots TV games. TNT what he wants to play. Well last night was not a big TV game. They played the Mavericks. It was a Wednesday. Nobody watched. And Rondo was to for seven and had a minus twenty one plus minus Lonzo should be playing three minutes for every minute. Rondo plays. Lonzo is better than Rondo. And lonzo's the future not Rondo. And here's the other thing. Is that coups MMA Brandon Ingram, Josh heart and Lonzo they're boys? They're buddies their friends Rondo is in friends with anybody in an article a year ago. He said, quote, I'm not really into people unquote, Rondo is the NBA's transient moody, vagrant who shows up in a town doesn't make friends sometimes helps you win. And then people tire of him watched. The Lakers with Lonzo last night. Better communication cleaner. The ball moves better. The team is better and they win. Now, Rondo will have big television games at this point in his career. That's what he is. But the NBA regular season has a lot more Wednesday night at home against the Mavericks and Thursday night on the road against Phoenix and Monday night at home against Portland than it does big TV games with the warriors. Lonzo is better than Rondo Lonzo should be playing significantly more minutes than Rondo Lonzo is easier to get along with then Rondo. This was always the question coming into this season. We knew LeBron was good. We knew they didn't have three point shooters. We just didn't know who is going to get the minutes with LeBron the veteran Rondo or the kid Lonzo last night. Once again proves what the answer is Lonzo played more minutes in the Lakers had huge leads. They almost blew it. That's the NBA everybody. Eat comes hard late. It's the new revolution of the NBA Lee evaporate. Fast happens to the warriors happened to the jazz happens to the Celtics. So it's going to happen to the Lakers last night. Once again, Luke Walton, I think he's figuring it out lonzo's better for the team better for the results and Lonzo is better than Rondo. Coming up. I don't know. Maybe we could have the greatest segment ever created on radio. And TV I dunno seems like a pretty good time for it. Okay. W thought the show was called the herd had little pull here van wrong wrong wrong. Breakdown some hockey games next. I guess coming up next you become your personality, and boy is it happening for a couple of quarterbacks in the NFL. That's coming up. It's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio at this one and the iheartradio app, by the way, if you got the dreaded stuffy nose cold and flu season, try Vic sign X nasal spray. Vicks sign X nasal spray. Be ready. When congestion strikes. The seasons coming to get sick. Listen, our president often uses the term fake news. And the reason it kind of works is because there is some fake news out there. Most organizations aren't making stuff up, but I've seen this in my twenty five years in my business. I've seen increasingly I used to be a young guy, and I looked in newspapers for the truth. And I looked to the media for the truth. There was less opinion. More truth. I'm in the opinion space, but I still try to give you data with all my arguments because when I got into this business, you couldn't just have opinions you had to report stuff. In fact, check stuff, but I found over time that the media is more rooting than reporting the agendas in biases are obvious now in politics. It can hurt vote. It can hurt our country. I think bad reporting can hurt America in sports. You know? It's just stuff. You argue about over a Heineken with your buddies. But I saw this headline this morning Cam Newton should be on the front runners at cornerback. In the MVP race stop routing and start reporting Cam Newton's passer rating is fourth in his own division. He's tied for touchdown passes. In the NFL with Ryan Fitzpatrick, he's twenty-second passing yards. But the running it's called quarterback not running back. You will be judged eventually on the pocket. And if you compare him to Patrick Mahomes, it's not even close. It's like they're playing to diff-. It's not you're talking yards per game touchdown depict passer rating, it's a blow out and by the way. I think m I would say cameras having an M V C year. He's the most valuable Cam. This is the best Cam I've ever seen his leadership's been good. His coach abilities been good. His running is always good in his passing been better. So he's having an M V C year. He's the most valuable cams ever been. I think he's more valuable now than his MVP year today. He's a better passer and more coach -able now, and he's more mature now, and he has more snaps now. But statistically wins and losses. He's the second. Best quarterback in his own division. Right now to drew Brees. And by the way, Matt Ryan's numbers are better than cams so fake news works because it's often, right? Are even my job as an opinion guy. And I'm an opinion guy. You gotta give me some data. And I'll give you an example of this about Cam stats MVP. Let's do we do this about once a month. We call it the blind resume. We're all put Cam Newton to the left and for our radio audience. I'll try to make this as consumable as possible passing yards. Cam on the left has 235 the guy and the right has to sixty touchdowns. Cam in the left has thirteen guy in the right has fifteen passer rating real stat Cam ninety seven four the guy in the right? Ninety seven eight rushing yards almost even cams got fifteen yards more rushing. So I'm being told by this that can't those numbers and these. Are things that matter your touchdowns yards per game passer rating, and let's put it in rushing yards. Because that's the big argument for Cam. So there's Kamina left who's the guy in the right? Mitch trubisky. Lasts rooting more reporting cams having an N B C year. This is the best I've ever seen Cam. In fact, I thought his quarter on the road against Philadelphia was the best quarter he'd ever had. I watched every snap at that game. And I was like man, and I said at the next day. I'm like, that's the most coach -able, that's the most efficient. That's the most. Plus, I get cams, you know, his running his size his gravitas. That's always been great. But you know, this is not Mahomes if you took out Mahomes Brady breeze Goff and Philip rivers. Just I'm not even going to mention girly Khalil Mack just quarterbacks. There's five guys who are on a different galaxy right now he's more closely in to Mitch Trubisky, which by the way, their styles Trubisky and Cam have a very collegiate field to them. That's okay. That's what works for them with their abilities. But let's get out of the MVP stuff. Let's get into the NBC stuff. Joy with the news. On the news. This is the heard line news Packers are traveling to face the patriots on Sunday nights. Of course Rogers Brady debate is raging and yesterday Erin wanted no parts of it. That's what's. You guys worry about the about those those types of conversations, I think, that's you know, end of career conversation. I'm just worried about winning right now. And. He's got five championships. So ends most discussions. I think you know. Kyw kind of humble there. And I mean, I it's Iowa's get. I always try to be fair with Aaron he is in a remarkable town. He's very Dan Marino to me, and he's becoming very Big Ben to me. But I think the Brady Rodgers stuff. Now, it's gotten into the LeBron Carmelo it worked for about seven years out stupid. I just think that. Just think that at one point or another the amount of championships. This you have matters a lot. And especially when you when you're compiling a trophy room. Not even just the championships the the divisions titles that they have like their consistency over the years. Like, it's at one point or another. It's like all right. Like, he's just doing more winning. That's right. And then you're like, oh look at the team around it like, no either we're comparing quarterbacks. So we're not comparing teams comparing teams if agents are still better as well. But let's compare and let's stop this too. Well, he's got ballot. Check when Montana was crushing it. We weren't given Bill Walsh. All the Cray. Right. We were by the way, Bill Walsh had a lot of quarterbacks in his career one went four for four in the Super Bowl. Just because you're saying it's like the Kevin Durant. Lebron comparison like just because you say LeBron is better doesn't mean the Kevin Durant isn't incredibly talented in an easily won eight. Yeah. It's not taking anything away from from. Who is actually think I I understand. You're you're Ben comparison. I think because of the talent level that. Aaron Rodgers and drew Brees is a closer comparison. Just because the talent alone. That's why people compare him to Brady. But if you look at their career win records Rogers would need to average fifteen wins a year until he is forty one. But remember this to inherited a mess? Both Big Ben and Aaron inheritance Israelis able steady environment where breeze just hey, it was you know, I mean breeze had essentially save is franchise. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Baker Mayfield. Made some interesting comments today while praising patch homes and a lot of people are taking it as a little bit of a slight to his teammate Maoz Garrett. Talent wise, I thought he should have been I love miles. But. No. Coming from Texas, Texas. There's always this. You know about people doubting the fact that he all he did was sit back there and throw the ball. I mean, he threw it eighty eight times in our game. So, but when it comes down to it throwing the ball throwing the ball. And he's he's really good at it. You like him saying this? I I'd like less talking. I have nothing against him. I'd like less talking. I mean, I just like this week. I saw a quote from Baker yesterday about the chiefs bringing own now, it'll be piling it on the Sam darnold would not say with the chiefs coming up. Hey, bring it was saying that in more of a bigger picture like everyone is doubting us. So bring it on. I think he was directly talking about the cheese by not the best week this say that because it's bulletin board material as he said, it's kinda easy to just ganked that quote and apply. It's everything I understand what you're saying less as probably more. But this is what maker is like this is baker's personality. In most cases, I always say, especially if you're the quarterback doesn't give us the bare minimum. I know we're cranking media people who want juicy comments over time. But it's in your best interests to just do the Bella check where onto Cincinnati, quote, keep it moving because then you won't you won't be in this situation. I don't think he meant to take us tickets Abbott at mile Ashton. That question. And obviously like they would be in a better situation, Patrick promises there and Baker wouldn't be there. So I'm sure he doesn't mean that finally their grows had a night last night. He poured in a career high fifty points to lift the timber wolves over the jazz last night and his performance about some Derrick rose memories of past the league took notice of it including LeBron James, and he was Derrick rose was brought to tears by performance and shared how much immense him you and your career high fifty points. What does it mean to you there everything I'll work? And I'll work over even when a superheroes knocked down. He's still a superhero at the end of the day and dirt road show. Why are you still a superhero I've given Derrick rose hard time over the years because I feel like it's kind of in that that territory of Cam Newton. Thank you were just talking about like this memory of Cam Newton Cam Newton to everything. But Cam is always available to play. Well, yes. And that's I mean, that's and that's not Derrick rose this fall. He's not trying to get injured, obviously. But being available to play is important. But this was a nice moment for decker. Does. He has. He's had a lot of struggles. And injuries as as you said. So and you could tell how emotional everyone wasn't even even the fans just saying Minnesota is I swear to God the Timberwolves are just if literally their logo should be a question, Mark. I swear to God I've been waiting on this team is a lot going on there. If you look at how many great players played with a T wolves. And I got nothing in return. Seriously. I got Elvin names. And none of the results that they should just take the wolf out and put a big like the Riddler and Batman just give me a question Mark for the logo. It's really bizarre. It is a joy. The news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping heard lie. I am told I have been given. Okay. I will next hour near the top be able to bring in a and I'm dead serious about this. I have got a topic that I absolutely love right here. Love it. I think it's really fascinating. I worked my butt off on it last night. I'm totally into it. And this is the response. I got from my staff this morning of the eight people. Not arab. So here's what I'm gonna do. When I do it. I'm going to track it on social media to see if you couldn't stand it and don't respond. I'm going to see does it get tweets likes re tweets. And then I'm gonna go to the next day. And look at the rating on it for my television, writing I can do that and cable TV to see if you like thought it was the dumbest thing ever. Yeah. And by the way, if he gets a huge number. I'm going to be looking for a new staff. Because I really think it's interesting. They all talk about it. But I have gotten an okay to talk about it near the top next hour with that somebody. I'm allowed to talk to. And I'm glad for that. Chris Broussard comes on. Okay. Chris. I'm watching the Lakers last night. Once again, Lonzo plays the majority of the minutes, and they're more seamless. They are cleaner. He hit his shots, seven assists. No turnovers. I'm telling you. I'm seeing a gap widen here. Lonzo works with LeBron better than Rondo, no question. Because look you got one player that needs the ball. And that can't shoot. That's rondo. You've got another player who has proven. He doesn't need the ball, and he can shoot off the ball spot up shoot. That's lonzo. Obviously lonzo's gonna fit better with LeBron. So there's no question. I don't think it has to be a big issue because Rondo is fine coming off the bench, and he can be the leader of that second unit. The challenge for the Lakers is this. They are trying to do two things at once that don't necessarily go together. What's that on the one hand? They're trying to. See who they like among the young players who plays well with LeBron who can handle the pressure of playing with LeBron, and you know, the pressures to play at a high level K who's a keeper going full. Okay. So that the first thing they're doing is. It's an audition, right? Okay. What's the what's the second thing? The second thing is they didn't want to just leave it to chance to. Hey, maybe we'll hit rock bottom. They wanted to win to some degree. Now, they're not thinking championship. But they're thinking, hey, we do want to make the playoffs. We do want to make a little noise in the playoffs. That's why they went out and got Rondo land. Stevenson, okay. The veterans those don't necessarily go together you are loop last night after the game. When when he was asked why was it the ball in LeBron's hands on like, three straight possessions? He say, well, we we want to develop the young is and see who can handle it. Well, we got a win give it to LeBron unless win or are we trying to develop a young guy in? That's what I mean. So you're. The point is they got two things are trying to do simultaneously. And they don't actually go together. Well, this is not a butter and jelly peanut butter mayonnaise. That that. Okay. So let's talk about the first thing though. Which is an I believe this to be true. And I support Luke Walton on this. When I'm watching the Lakers. It is clear to me that a they've been in every single game. They played let's not this isn't the rockets where you got a bunch of big contracts and you're getting crushed at home. This team's Ron missing you. Right, right. The Lakers every night. And I'm the hell it last night. They had two huge leads every game. They've played ex. I don't recall Portland the open. Right. I felt like Portland control that game moment. They had a shot. They had a shop late in the fourth. So I would argue the winning thing your second point. They're right on track. We didn't think how many games they played so far this year eight three and three and five. Okay. Nobody thought they were gonna be seven and one you look at their told you got place San Antonio twice got play Houston. They got play Denver which everybody keeps telling me is the surprise team in the league. They gotta go to Portland, and then they get Dallas. And phoenix. Most of you. What is said to and six there are three and five and could easily be six thousand two right? So I mean, I I think they're in when I look at what's happened in Houston. I wake up this morning. I would feel great. If I was magic in Luke, don't you think they think that well, they got a long way to go. Their defense is atrocious. Okay. And now what was what really was encouraging last night was that they hit three pointers. Yes. He's fifty nine percent from three and over the last six games. It's not just one game. Anybody can get hot one game their last six games. They've shot almost thirty nine percent from the three point line. That's the six best in the league over that string. Wow. So if they start hitting threes, you obviously have LeBron like closing these games has been a problem. But when I've LeBron I know look I'm going to be able to close. So if I got guys hitting threes now, I have LeBron the clothes and always keep us in the game. Now, let me focus on my defense. And there's no reason they are big and bulky, I get it. But it's a different league. Now. There's no reason they shouldn't be a good defense. Team. They're long they're athletes. They're young they have debt. Okay. What's the problem? Okay. But let me defend in the NFL right now. The bears are supposed to have a great defense. They can't stop anybody. But a rookie quarterback. It's the rules now have been very difficult to stop anybody. But you have to have somebody. I heard Baltimore. I thought Baltimore on a great defense. And then Carolina went through them like a knife through butter and sort of the saints. So in the NBA now, let me defend the Lakers. The let me defend all defensive players in the NBA. When did the NBA become a three point league six years ago? Roughly. Okay. Okay. Six years ago, the NBA became you gotta hit threes. Okay. That's what everybody realized it right for the past six years. Everybody's now been working on it guys. Like, boogie cousins and centers who didn't shoot him. Do. I think we're getting to a point like the NFL these young quarterbacks all these years of seven on seven tournaments. College quarterbacks are just more ready to play in the NFL. Okay. I just think everybody shoots three. Now. I think who's playing great defense years molding in the NBA, but it's relative like you're right score is going to go up is holding the team to ninety points or even a hundred points at one sixty into one where he's going to be at but field goal percentage. Three point defense Ziff rescind his defensive efficiency and the Lakers are near the bottom in those things. And that's so look at the top of the NBA defensively compared to ten years ago is gonna look like, nobody's windy. That's my argument. But the teams that are at the top defensively are on. Yeah. Toronto Milwaukee's undefeated. They got the second best defense in the league. And they hit threes leading the league in three pointers Toronto defense, Golden State still defense. So if you want to win. Yeah, your defense might not be like the bad boys, but is going to be good for this era. And the Lakers are bad for this era of defense is only eight games. But so far let let me finish with this is that when you talk about all those young guys, Lonzo Ingram kouzmine, Josh heart. They're all young guys with LeBron. Is there one that you think fits best in one? You're still not sure about. I'm not gonna say Lonzo fits best. I think he had fitting I think he'd bitch really well kouzmines a fit because he can shoot. But he doesn't defend he's got some other things you need to work on. And I gotta be honest. I like heart to now play well since you know, the other guys have come back. Let's coming off the, but you're getting to my point. I've been disappointed in the former Dookie Brandon Ingram. He I thought coming into the year. I thought he would be an absolute. And I gotta tell you. He's a tease he has moments. He has quarters. He has possessions the Ingram. Lebron thing is interesting. It's not as good as I thought Lonzo lebrons better than I thought. Well, what's the because here's why the three guys we named heart Kouzmin, Lonzo. They don't need the ball and their here's Ingram. What have we heard? Oh, he can play point guard. He can bring the ball up. I don't need that with LeBron James. The better players with LeBron our guys that can catch and shoot know what to do without the ball can move without the ball. And again, even Alonzo's a point guard. He's never been a ball dominant over dribbling point guards points always gotten the ball out of his hand. Good point. This is we talked about audition. This is an audition for Ingram. I'm not I'm not saying he can't play with LeBron. But it has it is standing look good. It hasn't looked good AB the fight in the suspension disrupted that maybe it's early. I'm not gonna make a definitive decision yet. But I see what you're saying. 'cause yeah. Hadn't been great. So far. I gotta tell you. There was a lot of haters on Lonzo ball. He's pretty good. Well, let let overboard Rhys. I like him. I, you know, I've been sitting here say he maybe he could be Jason Kidd, and he can shoot it better than kid obviously right now. But let's not act like he's playing like an all star. I. I just said I'm just saying like, right, right, right. We're getting excited because he's his some open threes. I'm just saying the number two pick in the draft. He's supposed to be Neurath. Hey, be better to Magic Johnson. Where's where's Josh Jackson? I'm here. Where's marquel? Air the air and is ball that criminals five and three day in the playoffs. If they started right now. Can be ridiculous gays, but still they're five and threes average, seventy it is November first you're telling me to come Chris Bruce, Greg Cosell top of the hour coming up next never seen anything like this in pro sports. I've never seen anything like I saw yesterday. And I don't have an answer for it. And maybe you do that's next. Chris Broussard, good stuff. It's the heard great Evian. I understand when coaches walked to a podium and their emotional after loss, they're angry after a loss. I totally get it. Herm Edwards, Danny green. I get it. I entertain ING Jim Morris senior, I get it coaches or human. They have a right to be. I also understand when coaches before games trading deadline get prickly with the press because they don't want to give out information in the press is job is to get information. Pat Shurmur has been kind of prickly with the press Bill ballot. Check through the years prickly with the press. I get that. So I get when coaches are a little rough before a game when they don't want to give out information and the reporters are seeking information. I get it. I get after games when it coaches past he's angry, he's defeated. And he can pop and snap. It report. I get all that this one is the strangest reaction by a coach I've ever seen. It is a Wednesday. It's the Detroit Lions it's the middle of the week. It's a question about nothing. And here's the lion's head coach. Well to me favorite just kind of sit up and just like have a little respect for the process every day. You come in and asked me questions, and you just kind of like, you know, me this. But I mean, just to be a little respect for just I'm asking just to be a little respectful in this whole process. Okay. So as me a question, professionally no answer for you. That's the strangest reaction I've ever seen. He's lecturing somebody on being professional wasn't that the number one criticism when Matt Patricia was hired that he didn't look like a head coach uncapped that goofy t shirts off the plane on Monday night football is first game in the sidelines. He had his hat on backwards, which by the way, I ripped him for I had three leagues gives DM e text me and say, you're right on the money. It's the talk of the league this morning. I mean of all the things in the world for Matt Patricia to beat on. That would be like Bobby Knight, lecturing a media member control your temper. I mean, just it's kind of inappropriate. Who are you to tell someone? How does sit in a chair when they're speaking to you, by the way, it work for you unless this is a picture of the reporter while Matt Patricia was asking him a question. Sorry radio audience. But if it was that, I get it. Okay. It was the I don't even know where to go, man. Patricia the knock on him was he super smart. He's a little slobby. He doesn't quite you know, he's just not buttoned up he kind of a mess, which by the way, the reason rob Ryan struggled to get head coaching jobs. People say the hair the appearance, he's not. That's a thing in the NFL. I don't know. I just I don't even know where to go on that. I mean, Patricia showed up with a hat on backwards and changed it by the second week and has never been seen wearing a hat on backwards since. So clearly Matt Patricia heard guys I'm not just saying me heard the criticism of dude could be in a frat, boy, you're three and a half four and a half million. Year coach, you're not a frat. Boy, I think that's one of the strangest things that ever seen. I mean, I don't like to get into like people's appearances. And whether that has anything to do with their job, obviously. I mean as a woman. That's that's something. Like, yeah. We have to deal with every day. But I mean, what is someone's posture have anything to do with it? So in there asking you. I've seen coaches blow up and be crazy. I ninety nine percent of it. I totally get that. I don't have an explanation for and I don't think he's done a terrible job. I actually think Matt's on a pretty good job. They look kind of like the lions usually look, they're not quite as good as I think they should be filled a bit personal. That's exactly what it felt like to me. It's like Bella checks jerk to everybody gruden's intense with everybody. My Tomlin's got energy with everybody. They're consistent that felt like a guy getting personal because the question wasn't even was not out of line. Yeah. It was just another. It was a Wednesday quite I've been very specific. By the way it by the way. If he'd had done that if somebody was if he was suppressing information, I get the prickly. Heavy just come off a tough loss. I get the prickly that was just personal Wednesday nothing and the lions not banging on the guy. I don't think he's been a disaster. Quote. He's been fine. He's kind of I don't think he's the best new coach, I think Frank in Indianapolis has really done a good job at Matt Patricia has not been a disaster. What did you say before we have a plan when you go to the podium have a plan that wasn't a plan that was making it up looking jerky? Now is just bad. You know, can I just let me just throw this out there a top of the hour Greg Cosell, and then I've been told you think I'm joking about this. I created I thought a fascinating topic. And in the morning, I come to work every morning, and I get here at about five fifty five I sit in the morning meeting, and there's about seventy eight people nine people around the table. And we and we bring in topics. I thought I had the most interesting topic and for two hours, I fought it. And they don't think it's arable. And I said, I think the best thing we have today. I think it's going to do very well on social I think it's going to do well in our TV ratings. I can track all that stuff. The next day. I can track my podcast, I can track my television cable rating the next day. It takes me about twenty four hours, and I can track it all. And I said this is gonna pop and I was I was given snarky comments and sneers. Yeah. It was it was nothing. And so I said, they wouldn't let me leave with it. I said, okay. If it bombs at bombs, it's on me. So you will decide if this is stupid or it's not stupid. But I think it's fascinating. And I think it's it's something that I I've thought about and it's a belief system. And I think we saw a great example of it yesterday. And I'm very excited for it a very excited. So I'm I'm going to do it next hour. Greg Cosell's top of the hour. I'll try to sneak it in next hour. But they told me I could run it next hour for sure. And so my my they said it was not a first our topic. I really was not in the meeting for this. No, you missed this part of the meat. But yeah, you came into the tents. You were there when it was getting we were we were just finished it. It would the meeting room was quiet by the time you arrive 'cause I would be fighting for my it engine was palpable by the time you got into the meeting. Okay. And do you usually have? So I actually have no idea what this particular topic. I think it's really interesting. I think one of the reasons I like it is you the audience can play along with me. And I think you can agree or disagree. I don't care. I can be a fully independent non influence opinion. Stop right. All right. So next next hour is great Greg Cosell our NFL meat sandwich for fifteen minutes. If you don't learn stuff Greg Cosell. I can't help you. Nobody nobody he and Trent Dilfer if you don't get smarter with him. I can't help you Jordan Palmer, brother. Carson Palmer the quarterback guru for all these young quarterbacks. He showed up to Tim Hardaway's on the show today. Our to in LA, we are live. It's the heard our to this is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio. And right here Juan. Joy Taylor is joining me Greg Cosell in two minutes. So great to be here today. I have such had a great night's sleep Halloween with my son so much fun. This has been a great time of the year the World Series wrapped up now college football. He got big games this weekend tonight. Jon Gruden an interview exclusively with Howie long who he knows? Well, it's supposed to be the most outspoken John gruden's ever been and you'll see it tonight as the raiders and the Niners play. I've said this before. It sounds crazy to say this. But every year there's a couple of teams that go from like fourth place and their when a division the forty Niners are not tonight. I don't even know who's going to quarterback for them. They get Garoppolo back. They go in free agency and get a running back and draft a couple of corners. They will in my opinion. They got the kind of players they're gonna make a lot of noise and make the Rams uncomfortable next year in that division. And I'll also also also I have been talking about if you just turned in. I know a lot of you come in and out of the show. I have a topic that I came every morning when I drive to work. I have a topic. I sit down so first topic I discuss, and I say guys, this is our lead today and ninety nine out of one hundred times the staff is like glue. Yeah, Colin brought a good topic today. Total pushback, I thought this was the best topic. It's a fascinating topic and the staff's like it's not even it's not only not gonna lead the show. You can't put it in the first hour. Maybe you can. Throw it away at the end. So they're not gonna let me lead this hour with I have been told I can run it in fifteen minutes. It's. I will track. If you think it's good. It's nobody likes it. Nobody read tweets it. Nobody watches it. My podcast numbers. Go down. I can track all that stuff. Day-today then I was wrong. And I'll announce on the air. I was wrong. I think it's going to change American radio. Maybe not change it. But it's going to be interesting, whatever. All right. Let's move to my guy NFL meat sandwich thirty plus years NFL films. His name is Greg Cosell. Greg. How are you this morning Cowan what's going on? How were you that we have I feel like here we go. We're getting to the halfway point some things have been established. You know, one of the things that's been established to me is a while the colts took to offense of lemon in the draft. People said they overdrafted the line. But I've watched every snap of the colts in the last three weeks. Greg Andrew luck not getting hit. Andrew looks got time. Andrew look looks like he's back. What is the film say on the colts? Offense and the protection. Now luck getting I think there's a number of factors. One is the run pass ratio. They are running the football, and they can run the football because what stands out on film columnist their interior three. Which is Nelson. It's Kelly and trying to think of who the the right guard is but the move into the outside yet. Brayden at Brayden is playing right tackle, but they're interior three are very very athletic. And they're very good in the gap scheme run game where you pull they're very good at Dade run sprint draw where you pull as well and get people outside. So they are very athletic inside. It's gonna wind ski by the way, it ju who used to be with Seattle. And this is a perfect example of coaching the old line coach for the colts is doing a great great job. Markowitz ski was played some tackle in college. And then was guard with Seattle and never made it and now Lewinski looks very very good playing right guard. For Indianapolis the other factor, and this is coaching is there's a lot more quick game stuff. So the ball is coming out by design. That's the way they're running their offense. And that always helps an old line and luck is really taking to the system. He's not holding the ball anywhere near as long you notice. He's not running very much. There's a rhythm and timing to their Pasquin. Yup. By the way, they're they're limited personnel wise on defense. They need an edge rusher corner or another linebacker. But there is no question. He's second in the NFL and touchdowns to Mahomes, and they're they're tied into played. Well Andrews finally for the first time in his career has time to throw he's tearing it up. Now, here's a team with a young quarterback. Who's also been beat up that doesn't have a lot of weaknesses on the defensive side the Houston Texans into Shawn Watson he had a play last week when he moved left. It was so clever. It was so disown Watson. I know. He's playing hurt. He told me before he can be a little hot and cold. Are you seeing? I think one reason for improvement, and one reason why I think you'll see more efficiency is if they can stay with the formula that they played within their last two wins. Which is he drops back times. I think the more he drops back to fantasy numbers might be good, Colin. But I don't think that benefits him or the team. You know, I think they're offensive line, which is clearly a work in progress. And does not have great players will always look better. When you run the ball more. They've been running the ball more. And I think that that will help to Shawn Watson. Now, he will. He may always be a guy that moves around a lot, and he'll certainly make plays doing that. Because he's athletic. But ultimately, you want to get into the point what he's officiant. And you know, for instance, I'll give you a great example at forty nine yard touchdown. He hit two d Andre Hopkins. We're Hopkins was wide open. It was a schemed play that got Hopkins wide open. But to Sean was about three meets late with throw. But Hopkins was just so wide open. That'd probably people didn't notice that. Those are the little details. Nuance. Of playing quarterback. I guarantee that he was told by the coaching staff, let's shift to generally free agent signings or overrated. They don't have the impact. I don't really buy into. I think it's fun for me as a radio TV gotta do the trading deadline stuff. But I thought that golden Tate to the eagles feels like oh this will make their offense a little cleaner and a little smoother. He's almost like an additional running back. I like the move it fell. It didn't feel like you're you know, you're just gonna throw in a guy out there. Trading a pick. Do you think? Golden take Carson Wentz. It could click pretty quickly and have an impact I do because of Doug Peterson offense. I think Doug Peterson offense is very much built on the short pass and the run after catch. And I think by making this crate they've told you that they're not quite happy with Nelson anglers progress in that regard because they have a great tight end Zach arts who's a match up weapon. They can move him all over they've got a solid wide out in Sean Jeffrey, and then beyond that they're really lacking the skill position. And it's an offense as I said with the short pass and the run after catch in one area. Tate is terrific, which the eagles us a lot. It's part of their offense is the screen game. They're very multiple with their wide receiver screen game. And as you said he's Bill like a running back a strength of his game is run after catch. And I think he's he will help this team any probably help them right away because they have the by this week. I do two quick ones. Alex Smith wins everywhere. The Redskins were at the top of the division. But are they essentially the Alex Smith chiefs, which they're fed? They're officiant with a really low ceiling. Do you buy the Redskins again? Now, you get into what one's view of the quarterback is in relation to let's say getting to the Super Bowl. They're clearly old school. And I think Alex Smith forces you to become old school because he has limitations as a passer, but you can't have it both ways not you. But people in general you can't say the quarterbacks and most important player on a team. And then dismissed the fact that Alex Smith since what two. Thousand in eleven maybe or somewhere around there with a his winning percentages like over sixty five percent. But at the end of the day, they're old school the last three games. Adrian Peterson sixty seven Russia's averaging five point two yards a carry and their defense. No one's talking about their front seven. It is one of the best front sevens in the NFL. So they're playing old school football. By the way, I was critical Kirk cousins, I don't play fantasy football. It doesn't interest me. But I liked it. My audience does because it gets them kind of viscerally emotionally connected to football. So I support fantasy football. I get fantasy football. I don't play it. So don't care about yards in stats Kirk cousins, sometimes comes out for me. When I watch them as empty calories. I get the yards completions. The fantasy people love him. But he's like four and twenty one last twenty-five games against good teams. I mean again against the saints. I'm I'm told he's great. It's not his fault. Well, what does the film say with Kirk? I think the film shows a pretty efficient quality starting quarterback. I. Think people are responding to the money that he wouldn't give in and therefore assuming that he's now a top top echelon quarterback. If you're also me asking, and there's no way to answer this specifically, but if you're openly asking whether Kirk cousins can be the quarterback of a team that gets to a Super Bowl, my answer to that would be that he needs team around him as most do, you know, there's only a few guys that you could truly sake and put a team on their back most need team around them. So right now, they're not running the ball, particularly well or very much. I think their defense has not played as well at times this year. I think he's been asked to throw the ball too much getting into that issue in the NFL where so many teams are throwing the ball, you know, forty plus times they're asking their quarterback to drop back even Arron Rogers, and you can say what you want. We know he's super talented, but he's averaged more than forty five dropbacks per year. That's too many drawbacks a team that's going. The opposite way is. Title. They're running Gould who. Yeah. And by the way, I was wrong on this. I said listen Pete Carroll. I didn't like their draft. I think they overdrafted the running back out of San Diego State. They were loose. I thought the politics, and it just the whole vibe I didn't work for me. I got to tell you something. They're not turning the ball over there. Running the football no mistakes and they're playing good defense. Now, they haven't played great competition is a little fool's gold because of their competition or do you by Seattle? Well, let's put it this way. They're playing the way that they feel they have to play. And I think arguably the best hire of this off season was Mike solorio their offensive line coach he's been in a league thirty years. He's highly respected defensive line. Which by the way, is a high pedigree offensive line has gone from being a sieve to being really really efficient and one reason they are is because they run the ball offense lineman much prefer that Russell Wilson has become a complementary piece. Russell Wilson for. Someone who started every game this year has far and away to fewest pass attempts per game of any starting quarterback. They're not asking him to do very much which might seem counterintuitive given what he's done in previous years, but they are so much more efficient on a week to week basis. When I watch him I just seat. Now, they're not as explosive as pizza earlier Seahawk teams. They don't look like as USC early teams there grind it out. I thought that one in Detroit was very impressive. Yes. They don't make any mistakes to penalties down the turnovers down the takeaways or improving so it it feels real to me earlier today. I said I saw store that Cam Newton should be MVP. And I said gimme a break. He should be M V C. He's the most valuable Cam I've seen I think he's his leadership his coach ability. He's obviously coach -able. He's more precise. He's not Patrick Mahomes. He's not Brady Goff, numbers wise. But it it to me. And I don't know what the film says I do feel like. This is the best Cam has been even with his MVP year. What's low was the film say, I will say this. I will say that the Panthers are as tough enough to prepare for and defend as any in the league with all their different personnel packages their formation looks multiple backfield actions with a quarterback who must be accounted for in the run game. I think north Kerner has done an unbelievable job sort of expanding his worldview because coaches normally coach what they know. But he's expanded his worldview he's made Cam Newton clearly a much more efficient player, and we can say what we want about Cam. But he's a very difficult guy to defend will he ever be? Drew Brees Tom Brady in terms of passing officiency, you know, precision ball placement every throw probably not. But he's a very difficult guy to defend when he's part of your run game and their offense could be the toughest in the league to defend. Yeah. And I thought that quarter against the eagles a coupla. Two weeks ago in the fourth pulling nominal. He was that was the best I've ever seen Cam. And that was from the pocket. Yes. All from the pocket. And I came out the next day. I'm like that is good as I've ever seen him playing leading his MVP year. You know this week Brady takes on Rogers. And I said, you know, for a long time we compared LeBron to Carmelo. And then after about eight years, you're like, okay, we gonna stop this. 'cause lebron's. He's putting up all these trophies in these titles and mellows just talented in listen, I think Brady Rodgers I in terms of accomplishment. We gotta stop comparing him. I made the comparison that from their outspoken personality to their improvisation to their elusiveness to their arm strength to kind of their, you know, dramatics, I think Roger's has a lot of similarities to Big Ben. They both got overlooked. Neither went to a juggernaut college football program, both are increasingly banged up as their older due to their improvisation, and they both have world class arms. I see some similarities a little bit to earn and Big Ben. Does the tapes anything like that? Well. You know, I think Aaron Rodgers for me has always been a fascinating guy to evaluate because the talent level throwing the football is arguably off the charts and his movement ability. And then throwing off movement is tremendous. He's always been a guy that at and the way I've described him. I've I've said this to you in the past, but it's been a while he plays more like a jazz musician and a classical pianist, you know, he's an improvisational guy. Now, he's very capable of playing from the pocket. There were times. He does not. And I would bet that that can be frustrating to the coaching staff at times, but he's so gifted that he can do special things. So I've always found him tough to evaluate. I think Ben has actually played a little more certainly later in his career Ben's been much more of a sort of stable pocket guide in Aaron Rodgers. Okay. All right. That's good. That's what the film says. All right. So with that. Let's stay with the Steelers. It's time for Greg Cosell's play of the week. And I it's a is it a. Running play. We're going to do a running place because James Connor to me has played exceptionally. Well, and his numbers, you know, we we can get into comparisons of players. That's always fun. That's always easy but teams look for production. And James CONNER has more productive right now than Levy on bell was which again, we can debate. Who's quote unquote has a better skillset, but let's start this play. This was a touchdown last week against Cleveland. And this was your basic shotgun power scheme. This is what we call a gap scheme run, which is power. And what you have here is you have Connor offset. You have David decastro is going to be the poor across the formation. But let's start frontside because these three offensive linemen have down blocks. They've got a clear out the playside and what they do with their down blocks. And you can see this is the seal all these defensive linemen away from playside that has to happen for this play to work. Because now what you're going to get into once they do that is that now allows decastro one of the best pulling guards in the league to pull across the formation now. Jesse James the tight end he has to get the second level playside linebacker now. No one can block, Jamie Collins. There's the front doesn't allow that. So now, those two blocks on the front side place. I'd have to happen and Connor. He has to be Jamie Collins because Jamie Collins, as you can see is clean into the hall. So if you're Greg Williams, you're saying Jamie Collins has to tackle them. And if you're the Steelers you're saying great, great run by James, Connor. But this is just classic shotgun power. Everybody runs. It really well executed, by the way. It didn't look like they miss Libyan and Belenet run. No. And the numbers, you know, obviously, he's had three straight one hundred yard rushing games. He's got a lot of catches. You know, the production is is just as good if not better. Well, when I got juju Smith Antonio Brown Pro Bowl offensive linemen and Big Ben. Can you can't blow them onto one guy? So a running back should have a little more space with the Steelers, then he would have unless talented offensive rosters. So it this kind of bears out that they have so much town on the perimeter that it's gonna take certain guys out of the box running most running backs that are capable should succeed with the Steelers. You would think I mean, this is what we call eleven personnel to. So there's three wide receivers on the field and that lightens the Bach. Yep. Yep. And James Connor delivers Greg Cosell NFL meat sandwich, NFL films over three decades. Great talking to you. All right, Colin. Thank you. All right. Coming up the at this point. I may let down myself the topic that I think is interesting that my staff does not, but you can decide ill only five six minutes. But I wanna talk about it next. And it's getting I I would like to turn that frown upside down. I think it's very interesting joy can listen in. But just hear me out. I've got a theory. In an I'll give it to you. And it includes a several sports and that is coming up next. I don't need the negativity. I'm already doubting myself every day in my career, be sure to catch live editions on the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Sunday thoughts NFL doubleheader starting with not Ryan and the falcons taking on agent Peterson and the Redskins then it's America's game of the week as Tondo early in the undefeated Rams battle drew Brees the saints. It's all on FOX Fox Sports app. Check local listings like the saints in that one. Okay. Now, I've built this damn thing up so much now everybody's gonna say they don't like it. But when I drive to work every morning, I always feel it's my responsibility to bring a lot to the table. I can't just come in and say, okay, guys. What do you have for me? So I usually come it drive at five thirty in the morning. I drive here. And I kind of in my head. What's the lead story and Steve Nash had an interesting comment yesterday when he talked about Steph curry, and you know, how I feel about Steph curry he's changed the game. There's been a lot of great basketball player Steph. Curry has changed the game the game doesn't even look like it used to look like Steph. Curry is getting coaches fired presidents fired Steph. Curry has changed the spacing. By the way, you could argue the best basketball player is the best center is the best coaches. You can't argue who the best shooter is there's not even a second place. He's I I don't even know who second maybe Steve Nash. So he is Steve Nash had this quote yesterday. He said, he's the evolution of basketball. Man. We're watching basketball all in it Steph. Now, I just want to start with that premise because I agree with that. If you literally if you now from that, I talked about mount Rushmore, and this is where my staff pushback, my staff said that so hacky you're beyond two in mount Rushmore, topics. Mount Rushmore topics are the four greatest in. You know, who the foreground is quarterbacks. Four good is this I've always had this theory that in any mount Rushmore argument, the first three or easy, and we start arguing and throwing haymakers and bottles at each other over the fourth, and I'll give you an example, you can do with anything. You can do it with a hamburger fast food hamburger places. Mcdonald's Burger King. Wendy's. We argue over the fourth. You can do it NFL head coaches all time Lombardi Walsh, Bella check. Then we got a lot of arguments. I mean, hell even even mount Rushmore itself. It's Washington Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and they got teddy Roosevelt is the guy that shouldn't be there. But he got there because he built it. I mean, if I built radio I'd be on the mount Rushmore teddy Roosevelt's, not even the best Roosevelt FDR's about Roosevelt. You would never take out Washington Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson, guaranteed. But this guy got in because he created mount Rushmore again more Coney did radio. So he gets on the mount Rushmore. If I did I'd be on the mount Rushmore, but he shouldn't even be the one you argue about the fourth, and I was thinking about this about Steph curry and about mount Rushmore arguments. They're kind of hacky cliche arguments. But think about this in baseball much, like fast food football coaches in presidents baseball, Babe, Ruth, Ted Williams, Willie Mays. You can't argue you argue about the fourth Ted Williams greatest pure hitter, ever Babe Ruth at the time for seventy five years of the sport greatest player Willie may say, hey kit. And if you go to the NFL Jim Brown, many people still thinks the greatest player ever Jim Brown Montana Brady, then Lee Lawrence Taylor. But he's a defensive player, and it's mostly a scores league. He's the best defense transformed. The game though, he's a defensive player. They're buying jerseys for offensive players. Here's the other one hockey Gordie Howe Gretzky, Bobby ORR. Then you argue about Bobby whole lem you. Okay. You go to Gulf Ben Hogan, Jack and tiger. You can say Harney. No, Ben, Hogan, one more than Arnie and has significantly showed her career who you are you over his Bobby Jones and Arnie if you go here's where it's interesting. If because it's always this way on these mount Rushmore, you get to three really quickly, and you can't figure out a four. And this whole point was about how great Steph curry is. If you go to basketball's mount Rushmore, this tells you the greatness of LeBron it is wilt MJ magic. And lebron. And you can't even argue Steph curry who has revolutionized the game is the greatest shooter of all time is going to end up with more championships than LeBron is in the greatest team that's ever played. And it would be embarrassing not to have LeBron on their first of all wilt change the rules Michaels the greatest player magic saved the league. And is probably the most transformative player in the history of the biggest brand in America outside of the Dallas Cowboys. And then it's LeBron. And my point is all these mount Rushmore 's you can't argue this one the first of all people say Kareem. When magic arrived on the Lakers with Kareem Kareem was suddenly the best player. Second best player on the Lakers. How the hell you on the mount Rushmore when magic arrived at the Lakers kareem's profile shrunk. You had you had. He was an enigmatic score aloof not really a team leader. But he had a hook shot. Magic came in stole the franchise. You can't put Bill Russell Bill. Russell wasn't even the best player at his position center of this generation will was. So my point is the greatness of LeBron that he's on the mount Rushmore. He's still got five years to play the the most revolutionary basketball player. The only one closes wilt is Steph curry and you couldn't put him near mount Rushmore. Is that a great topic or what right there? I don't see the flaw in this topic. Why what was the major push because they said it was a mount Rushmore topic. I don't care about mount Rushmore above being hacky now shitty. Yeah. No kidding. Built my career coming out of it. We would giant pumpkin next to my desk. Where we if you go. If you go mount, I've always had this theory that you can't go on a camping trip with guys. And you can't go to Vegas with four guys. You can only do it three because you find your best friend once you have even numbers people split off. Yeah. For guys. You you go with your best friend. And then you find one guy you can get along with by the time you get to a fourth you're three days through the camping trip. And you're like, I had no idea. Bob did meth. You can't take a th guy. You can't you can never four the forth is impossible. Always. He's a I'm with you on the fourth becoming the arguments. Because once you get to the fourth it starts to become more of a preference over a fact. Right. So there's more there's more of an opinion. Once you get to the fourth. Can't argue. Okay. We'll Chamberlain literally score one hundred points. He scored eighty multiple times. He's the greatest physical force in the history of the league Bill. Russell was known as a defensive center and couldn't stop him. He was there's so there's so many people that you could put in there. I mean shock. No dominant player. He couldn't beat allies you on KOMO news like this. But we'll do we'll go back and forth. He put nobody puts shack on the people. There are people who would put people now. Not not shack Kareem. I'm not. I'm sure people would are argue Larry Bird the mount Rushmore. The fourth one it becomes I would put him on this the the bird. I would put payroll, Robin. Larry Bird, an eagle when we're not going to this chatted. I know you did not over sell it. I think to oversell the push back on it. Because it was just the mount Rushmore argument. I'm going to say it for our show if we're being happening right now, we are not above doing mount Rushmore, by the way, the Laker mount Rushmore, wilt Kareem magic Kobe. Certainly people would argue Kobe. That is a fact I gotta get out of this. I got Jordan palm around the corner. I don't know maybe the public that was. Arctic tomorrow. Why don't we get paid? If Pete Rose the hall of fame. I'm Barry Bonds is the fourth one on that Rushmore. God mon-. So this is why we shouldn't have done it. Because it's a mount Rushmore if they put it into the mount Rushmore odds up gimme. Within the pitcher is gonna be on there from that area. Either joy Taylor with the news. I heard on the news. This is the third line not above mount Rushmore, topics. I'll never do another one because I got so much pushback. And I thought that was brilliant. I don't think there's no no I got I got nothing from honestly, you were starting to make me worried about what was going to come our way. Well, I'm not about doing that. Right. You got Jordan Palmer's coming up to he's coming up before. All right. So Baker Mayfield didn't have much to say yesterday about the possibility of Lincoln Riley coming to Cleveland, but he was very forthcoming about how the Browns moved forward after the firings huge accent and Todd Haley, which he called his welcome to the business moment here. He wasn't yesterday. I think my leadership in my presence and making sure guys they focused is more important now than ever. It's one of those things that you can handle it distraction. Like, I said or you can use it to come together as a team, you know, this locker room can become a lot tighter with all distractions. But we'll see what kind of men we have in this room and not what kind of team we have what kind of men can can handle a distraction the right way. It can come together and focus on doing their job and doing it a high level against a great team comes Sunday. That's pretty good quote. I like that. That's pretty good. It makes you can have a soundbite. He liked them. I here's the thing about about maker and Cleveland. I'm really I am disappointed and how that all played. Out to mess. Just clean. Yeah. Oh, it's like give the kid a chance. And by the way, they brought Greg Williams to the podium yesterday. And he said ridiculous stuff. So just gone against against Greg Williams. It's it's more about the change like you have to have consistency. Look at what dynasties do what is the main thing that all consistent winners have abilities, by the way, Arizona forty replaced coordinators. Josh Rosen with a guy that probably won't get the job next year. New you were going to draft a quarterback high. You knew that. Right. So why wouldn't you then begin positioning your franchise to have some civility for that number one overall pick or that high pit anyways that's about Cam Newton earlier in the show. He scores rushing touchdowns. Like, no other quarterback in NFL history. In fact, he's run for at least five touchdowns in each of his first seven seasons and this season. These at four rushing touchdowns between his next rushing. Touchdown. They'll have eight straight years with five touchdowns. And that's something only a handful of info players in history have accomplished here. The list of them are so fought with any Thomason Jim Brown. Ricky Watters, Eddie, George and Thurman. Thomas running back company is probably the greatest run running quarterbacks. Maybe in Michael Vick was more explosive cams more durable over so Cam. We'll be able to do it for number five years. Michael just got beat up. Now, he has improved a lot as a passer significantly under completed a career high sixty six point four percent of its throws thirteen touchdowns and only foreigners Epson so great Cam year, just as you said earlier and finally Tom idea phone the rockets the best record in the NBA last season have plummeted back to earth. Humbling. One in five start last year. The rockets didn't lose their fifth game until December twentieth. I know which put them at twenty five and five so new rockets, Carmelo Anthony thinks it won't take much to turn things around not a whole lot. He said when you're losing that confidence can Joe to as you can keep it or you can lose it. I'm in the locker room. So I know the morale I know the confidence level of the scene has attitude that we have we've just got to get a win. Once you get that first win, then you start to unravel and figure things out. No, it's not that simple. That that's that sounds great. It's a lot more than that. It's about defensive intensity. It's about chemistry. That sounds good things. You know, every time he starts one step. That's excellent on a poster somewhere. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. Heard lie. Former NFL quarterback a quarterback coach now to darnold and Rosen. This guy knows what he's doing. Carson Palmer, brother. Jordan palmer. I love bringing him on. He's really smart really thorough fascinating look into the world of young quarterbacks. And he's joining us next in LA. It's the heard he started as a waterboy with the elite eleven back in the nineties. He is now helping define it. Jordan Palmer NFL seasons. Played for. Sam darnold. Josh allen. You told us Josh Allen was going to be really really explosive, and he has been course, brother of Carson Palmer who is retired and living a great life somewhere that I'm not going to announce somewhere somewhere mobile home whole thing hanging out with kids. Good for him. All right. I love bringing you on because you make a smarter. Let's look back so far Sam darnold so far to me. He's been as good as the jets running game has been he doesn't have a ton to work with so far. I would give him a b. He's been inconsistent. But he's the youngest of them. The fewest college starts one of you seen with darnold. I think what we've seen from Sam is not really Kulik in fun for the fantasy community and for the general casual sports fans are or or NFL fans, but for the jets fans and people who know what they're looking at every week. He executes the game plan. He did it was one hundred percent and his run checks. He made good decisions when he made a bad decision. It's when he's not gonna make she's that's what you want your rookie year. That's what you want in a freshman quarterback. Somebody who every week executes the game plan takes what's their makes the most of what's available and at the end of the game you win or you lose. But that's what you that's how you can build on as opposed to splash plays. Really cool. Looking things. Can't do the simple things correctly. By the way. When I say this. I'm not trying to defend him. I don't think he has anything to work with. I think it's a very weak tight end. He's got a young tight end. I like wide receivers all banged out running backs not spectacular. His protection is hit and miss mostly miss again. I don't think there's a ton to work with is that fair. Yeah. I think that's absolutely. Fair. And I don't think anybody would really debate that in that locker room, even and so it's going to be interesting to see how they how they combat that. If there's been some free agent guys that are available that time came into the most salary cap space in the NFL. And so for me fan of him and running the best for him. I think it's an exciting time in a lot of these young quarterbacks are in similar situations. Cap space picks, come in all that. I think Baker has all the rookies. Arizona jets and buffalo. I think Baker has the most talent to work with. I thought he had three running backs before they traded Carl Carlos side. I think Jarvis Landry is very good Izzo line. Again is hit and miss. It was overwhelmed by Pittsburgh. I don't love his personality like I like, SAM's personality. Sam's more Russell Wilson luck. I connect more with Sam than the noise of Baker. What have you made of his play? There's been conversations around maturity, and that was a big conversation while these teams when they're evaluating rookie quarterbacks and potentially drafting somebody the bulk of the conversation maturity, I don't think that's I think between salmon Baker. They are who we thought they were. And what's cool is what Baker is those things that you talk about the good in the bed. I think that's what Cleveland needs. They have explosive playmakers. They have zero stabile as little civilities you can possibly have when you fire your head coach enough to coordinator one week what they need is somebody who's really confident doesn't care about the instability of it who can battle through it walk on Heisman winner. And who's done that before? That's what Cleveland needs the jets need stability consistency. Good play making and a guy who's not going to create a negative conversation in the media. So I think they're both doing exactly what they want. I'm excited for Baker. Okay. So I said today listen for a long time. Lebron Carmelo were compare same draft. Carmelo was better offense early. Lebron? Appear to be better defensively, bigger physically. But after about seven eight years, you're like, there's a gap here. One guy has a trophy room. I think Brady and Rogers are just different people different personalities different arm, different analytic ability. I think Tom's incredibly coach -able he's taking pay cuts some say system, I'd say coach ability. I don't see him as comparable. I think Roger's is big bend me. Elusive cannon chip on the shoulder kind of outspoken personality, little passive aggressive. He's saying something. I'm not sure what he's saying. D do you do you think the Rogers Brady comparisons are just they're over? It's it's so hard for me to have that conversation with different types of people with with NFL quarterbacks. It's consistent answer. I think if you grab ten great franchise guys any era who watch it and know it and you gave them true serum. They would say the gap between Aaron and Tom is significant giving Tom or giving air in the non talent. Because the way that they would look at it. It's not telling and it's not Super Bowl if it's Super Bowls in its math. Right atom up. But when I look at it is when all these guys were at their best playing their best and not this game. Talked about franchise guys. You've talked about these years, right? The seven great years. Here's a huge gap between air and the rest of these guys. And I think most franchise quarterbacks give them truth serum would say the same thing. What is it about the ball looked different out of errands arm? Why he's six two to eighteen. What does it generate that him and Russell's in this conversation too? But I think Aaron is the most opportunistic guy I've seen play quarterback. He did not throw like that in college. He your friends with trend over transplant some time with him pre-draft like he didn't use to throw like that. He took things from Brett he took things from everybody else. He made it his own. I see a lot of high school kids who ask you. How does earn throws something? I can learn to do the is no he's taken these things and he's made them his own. And when he's at his best, which if he's healthy, he's at his best. That's the thing every year. He's if he's healthy they're going to the playoffs. If he's not. We'll see his best is I think a big gap between other guys I think of Brady, and I go that's. That's Tim Duncan and Popovich. That's a perfect pairing. Not a perfect quarterback. That's a perfect pairing. Erin is standing by himself, and he's had the same coach for a long time. But McCarthy and Bella check on it on the same conversation. Right. That's true. What do you make a cams year put up a blind resume? And I said I understand when the media likes Cam good-looking number-one pick Heisman winner. He's a star. He is an absolute rockstar in this league. He's going to a Westbrook quality. He's a flawed player. But you can't take your eyes off Cam. He just looked like anybody else, but his numbers match up to trubisky's in that when I did this blind resume. Everybody's saying MVP, and I'm like, you know, you'll get rushing passing touchdowns yards per game. It's very Trubisky and the similarity they have is the there's a collegiate looked to their offense. Drako hotel just came on and said he made the hardest guy in the league to prepare for what do you make of Cam? He's not your classic Jordan Palmer student. He's not what do you make? If you would have had him at sixteen. Would you have been confused? Would you have been troubled? Would you have been what do you make of Cam? I agree. I think he's a hugger to prepare for he's a harder to evaluate to. He has some things where you go man, you shouldn't be able to play in the league with that his lack of anticipation he waits. So guys are open to throw it, and you can ask one hundred people who know what they're talking about the same thing. But it hasn't mattered really. Because he's got any hasn't had that superstar after Steve Smith left. They haven't had that guy who can just win with separate. Also throws too much arm not enough leg. And I think that is open for debate. Could he I say there's one hundred hundred little gold chips. You get when you push the ground away between then. And when the ball comes off your finger any lack of any inconsistencies, you have you're losing your giving away. Those little gold chips, right? And I think he throws with sixty or seventy me leaves a bunch on the table. But nobody would say doesn't have a really strong arm. He's still gets it there. So he does what he needs to do. But he has these omens of his game. Where you go, man. That's gotta be hard to play. Well, then these these other things rushing in the red zone and hanging in the pocket and just what what's in his chest, and finishing being a champion, and at every level in high school college all the way through where you go, man. Those things offset and we're sitting here at the end going. Yeah. He's in in conversation for one of the better guys. And I don't really not evaluate them. Josh Allen Sam darnold among the young quarterbacks. Who went to Jordan Palmer? He is the quarterback guru in America right now, his brother of courses Carson he played himself in college where he was a great player in the NFL for years Bengals. Jags titans was yeah. Yeah. You were titans. Roundabout a lot of coffee. Yeah. Finally, I love Andrew luck. I get nothing but pushback for the first time in his career this year. He has protection when you evaluated Andrew early. Until now people think they think I'm not I'm like he's one of the great quarterback talents. I've ever seen. He's had no help this year finally has help and he's second touchdown. How would you evaluate him? He's looking at on the physical side of it. We haven't really seen one of these guys since him. There hasn't been the I mean, he was the fastest kiddie of the best arm. He's from Stanford. He won big game. So I've heard several people say, you know, he'd have been the first pick in pretty much any drafts Elway. Yeah. That's I said Elway. And luckily, the only two people of my life that. No, miss potential every other quarterback. There were missed potential. Elway luckier it totally. And I agree. And I don't think he's changed. I think the injury thing whatever's happening there and taking all that time off we talked about it last time. I was on is is he going to struggle early or not. And we said it was just dependent on what's around him, really. Because if it's up to him and the balls in his hands, and he's got enough resources to work with these absolutely one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And I think you know, once in a generational player. He didn't have protection before he had some talent out at white out. Now, he's got protection. Now. He's throwing the ball optimistic and finding tight ends three score last week great. He's making the most of what's around him. Finally, you have a podcast only about ten seconds. Jordan Palmer quarterback coach and mentor. Any young quarterback out there interested in getting better? Here's your guy. Jordan palmer. We love him our three next the heard our three live in Los Angeles. This is the heard wherever you may be. And however, you may. Maybe listening. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio in right here f s one joy Taylor is joining me coming up the raiders are at the Niners tonight on FOX. Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't play CJ Beathard. We think we'll play and it's Jon Gruden who has a sit down with Howie long in fifteen minutes. We sit down a former NBA great player. Fi played for the Miami, Heat among others. Tim Hardaway was a five time all star his thoughts on the Jimmy Butler situation. Jimmy Butler is now doesn't wanna play for the T wolves. He wants to play somewhere else. It's kind of a maybe a subtle protest by Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler is a real player. He's an all star level player. So how does that work out? Tim Hardaway will join us for that. And I'm going to hand out my NFL mid season awards in best for last. So I'll hand out my NFL midseason awards in forty minutes from now. Well, another day and more praise for an admittedly great quarterback. Aaron Rodgers this time the praise came from Bill Belichick kill this list them. So as a great player, he does everything. Well, he's reads. Coverages will vary. Vary. Accurate throwing the ball. This is one of the great quarterbacks. In football question about. Those are really good say playing against Aaron Rodgers is very very difficult. You know, he's he's as good as anybody that I faced. We face a lot of good ones through the years. Okay. They're going to face off Sunday. There is no comparison between Brady and Rogers. Let's get past that. Here's who you should compare Aaron Rodgers too Big, Ben. Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers are very very comparable. Let's talk head coach. Okay. Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. They both have a good head coach. Neither one of those coaches is Bill Belichick, Vince Lombardi Bill Walsh. They're both very good coaches, though, not consider the best coach in the game. Both franchises are. Blue bloods. Packers steelers. They both went to non traditional college football programs. Cal that junior college Cal for Aaron Miami of Ohio for Big Ben neither was taken number one in their draft class at their position. In fact, both of us that as a chip on the shoulder Aaron fell in the draft and Big Ben was third quarterback taken in his draft. Both are very very outspoken against. They're very popular franchise. I mean Aaron Rodgers has taken not even thinly veiled shots at the Packers bosses and Ben is taken multiple shots at the Steelers and Mike Tomlin both of had really really really nice weapons. Both better than Brady Benz had. Plaxico and Hines ward Santoni oh homes juju Smith Schuster air. That's Big Ben errands had Donald driver Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings. Davante Adams, those are really above average wide receivers. Both generally have good offensive lines. In fact, if you look at their playoff histories, it's very similar interest in Rogers playoff losses. He's lost some really good quarterbacks. He lost. A Russell Wilson's going to be a hall of Famer. Carson Palmer, maybe a hall of Famer and Matt Ryan, very good. But he's also got some stinkers Aaron Rodgers losses. A huge favourite align manning, he lost a Colin Kaepernick twice any lost an old old. Kurt Warner Big Ben the same. He's got some playoff losses. Two times to Brady into Peyton Manning. The big Ben's also got some stinkers in the playoffs. He lost a Tibo, David Garard. Blake bortles. Ben and Rogers are both elusive and scramblers in at libbers that creates all time highlights, and it creates improvisation which can drive teammates, and coaches crazy. And bad interceptions and plays out of the pocket where you get hurt. In fact, both are always playing it about ninety percent health errands, increasingly banged up. Big Ben last three years increasingly banged up. You giving me these Rogers. Brady comparison, stop it. But when you start piling up trophies Tom Brady doesn't have a trophy case. He's got a trophy room. He doesn't have a trophy wall. He's got a trophy room. Their personalities aren't the same Brady is more coach -able more humble, less condescending, not as aloof Aaron is Big Ben. And by the way, both will be first ballot hall of famers to errands credit. He no longer wants to hear about the comparisons to Tom Brady. You look at 'em Jay and LeBron, you know, it's it's tough to to settle any of those debates because there's the what if game and the situation game and who you played for and what area played in. I'm just worried about winning right now, and he's got five championship. So and most discussions, I think. That's very appropriate. Very accurate. It shows Aaron Rodgers intelligence understanding self awareness. This is not a bash Aaron Rodgers segment Rogers is Big Ben from the franchise to the coach to the style to the outspokenness to the banged up to the ad living to the playoff failures there. Right aligned with each other. And they are two of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen. But they're not close to the greatest quarterback I've ever seen. And that's Tom Brady. Lakers one last night had a couple of big leads almost blew the game. I'm not going to break down an NBA regular season November October game, I'm not going to. But I will tell you this it once again proved Lonzo ball's better than Rondo and I've been on this for two weeks. Lonzo ball played twice them in its Rondo last night. The Lakers one again when that happens. That's happened. Four times there are three and one. And the only loss was in overtime. Lonzo by the way was three for three on threes. Lonzo by the way, had seven assists and no turnovers and Lonzo has separated himself defensively he is much but on the Rondo. For all the Lonzo ball haters. He is better than Rondo. And the Lakers are better when he plays more minutes than Rondo, Rondo is moody and inconsistent Rondo pixes spots TV games. TNT what he wants to play. Well last night was not a big TV game. They played the Mavericks. It was a Wednesday. Nobody watched in Rondo was to for seven and had a minus twenty one plus minus. Lonzo should be playing three minutes for every minute. Rondo plays. Lonzo is better than Rondo. And lonzo's the future not Rondo. And here's the other thing is that Kuzina. Brandon Ingram, Josh heart and Lonzo they're boys. They're buddies their friends. Rondo is in friends with anybody in an article a year ago. He said, quote, I'm not really into people unquote, Rondo is the NBA's transient moody vagrant who shows up in a town doesn't make friends sometimes help she'll win. And then people tire of him watch. The Lakers would Lonzo last night. Better communication cleaner. The ball moves better. The team is better. And they win Luke Walton? I think he's figuring it out lonzo's better for the team better for the results and Lonzo is better than Rondo. You know, something else would Lonzo ball. And I I know lavar ball is very controversial. And a lot of people don't like lavar ball his dad's methods right Iowa said I'm not going to criticize a dad period. But I'm not gonna cut us is a dad that got his kids to UCLA. Here's what's interesting one of the things that you could argue. Is that Lonzo is used to having a big personality in his life. He's okay. Being in the shadow. He doesn't need to walk in the room and be the loudest the biggest the most talked about lonzo's always fit, right? In lavar ball I've seen him when he's with Lonzo together. I've seen them is Lonzo sort of is in the shadow sort of obeys. Dad is very quiet listens to dad laughs with dad, but doesn't need to dominate the room. Lebron dominating figure in the room. Lebron dominates the ball dominates. The headlines is going to dominate. He's the most verbal player in the NBA and the floor is it possible? I know everybody wants to bang on lavar ball. But is it possible that Lonzo growing up with this outspoken loud, funny, personality driven dad, and he was in the shadow of it fits perfectly? Without agitation with a big global star. Verbal LeBron James. I don't know if this is true. But it seems to me that lonzo's grown up in an environment. He's cool with a shadow. He's cool that he's cool with it. And some of that comes from who we grow up with. So I think he personality wise really works with LeBron James five time all-star all-time great. Tim Hardaway is around the corner and my midseason NFL awards. I'm handing out. Plus joy Taylor's got hurt line. News around the corner, sat Saturday the tenth ranked back is let's get back in business against Nebraska at eleven thirty eastern than big twelve contenders. West Virginia and Texas clash at three thirty eastern. That's coming your way, Saturday on FOX watch anywhere on the Fox Sports app. S two mysel- Hieaux state play. There were getting pummeled by Perdue. So it's there I I wouldn't wanna be Nebraska. I got a feeling Ohio State of the buckeyes are going to rub it in Nebraska, West Virginia. Also plays Texas this weekend. Our next guest was a first round pick a dominant player. He was the fastest player in NBA history to get to five thousand points in two thousand assists. He and Oscar Robertson did it faster than anybody in the history of the sport. He is now coaching in for the first time in the history of my show. I've had back to back guests who went to you tap. Carson Palmer, and let's bring him on Tim Hardaway Jordan Palmer, excuse me. Former NBA all star. You know, I was looking at this Jimmy Butler. So you've been a great player. And now you're in coaching and the Jimmy Butler situation in the NFL. You hold out the saying now is in the NBA you act out if you just don't wanna play what do you make? If you're Minnesota. And you have this terrific player, and he just doesn't mix with Karl Anthony and Andrew Wiggins and the modern NBA player if he doesn't get along with his boys. He's out if you're Minnesota. What do you do? Well, first of all, thanks for the great introduction. Thank you. Yes. To you tip guys coming on on the same day. So shout El Paso out. No question. That's great. You know, when when when all this happened with Jimmy Butler, everybody was like he's doing right thing. But you don't do it in public. You don't do it in public guys? You don't do it on the news. You don't do it in radio and nothing like that you take it behind closed doors, and you do it behind closed doors, and we had veterans back, then we'll talk to you behind closed doors and make you understand what you need to do to be a professional basketball player and how you need to carry yourself in professional basketball. But you know, the way he has done. It is aggravating and should not have happened. And it is kinda disrespectful to his teammates. And to his coaches and what he did in practice. Disrespect is coaches in practice like you need me now, but we all been through that. But that was the wrong way to do it. I think he he's in a situation where they have to trade them because is just detrimental to the team and detrimental to duly gins. And and and Anthony towns, so I think that he will be traded. And he's looking like he's sitting out right now and don't wanna play right now. He's trying to force their hand to train, but typically typical wants him to play and wants and be there. You know, Tim? It's different. You didn't play you basketball. You don't you played for probably a hard ass high school basketball coach, then you went to college and your coach was tough. And then you went to the NBA that developed a toughness and a thick skin for players players. Now, they go to a you in a you basketball's not like highschool layer controls a yes. And then you go to college for a year, and you still control the coach. Yes. Then you go to the NBA and you make so much more money than your coach. It mean highschool and college for you is different. Could I make the argument that Jimmy Butler is simply a product of his environment. Which is a issue. We just give you more cool stuff college. Please come to our school. NBA? I mean Jimmy is what the current player is. He doesn't have that willingness to go through the tough times. He wants to find the perfect spot. Well, he I think he's looking at all the the guys. Kevin durant? You know, they went to LeBron James dead shows and went to where they wanted to go. And and which team they wanted to go to. You know, that's what he's looking at right now, and he wants to pick and choose and even even Kawai Leonard. Yes. You know, he he like I don't wanna play. No more foot a San Antonio Spurs in. And he forced eight hand. Do you do? You know, I I don't know what went on with that situation or whatever. But it was it was everybody's still wondering what what happened how it happened, and what what sparked at dead that type of talk with Popovich and the San Antonio, Spurs wick why Leonard I mean, a brilliant. Coach brilliant should have worked the issue to work organization and should've worked. I don't know. Why didn't does it bother you that players today they want? I mean, part of me argues, the players should have more power. Oh, yeah. No, one should have had more power, Oscar Robertson. He went to bat for us for them to have this type of power to after their free agent to go play wherever they wanna play. But you know, I think that that Jimmy Butler just did it in a in a wrong way. And now toxic is very toxic to talk. Yeah. If he did it behind closed doors. It'd be great to be fine. I tell the Bonin Duran did it. They surprised us. Exactly. You know, an. Nasa way as opposed to be behind closed doors and told behind closed or your team may make you teammate understand what you want them to do and close doors with with diminishment and say, look, I want to get I want my max money, and I deserve max money. And but don't don't be out in media Instagram, you know, in a newspaper on TV, whatever and say that you know, I should be paid. This straight is to disrupt too. There's a player in the NBA that I think is his honestly changed basketball Steph curry, it's the best basketball doesn't look the only other player. I can compare them to is Wilt Chamberlain where they had to change the rules because we'll it was so dominant. So Steph comes in and now poor centers if he can't shoot it three you can't plan this league. But it's funny about Steph Steve Nash said something yesterday, he said, he's a dancer he's finesse and a lot of players they won't put him in LeBron's class. They won't put him in Durant. They don't put him in Jordan. They won't put he's not huge. He's more of a Jabber. He's a dancer he's clever, and that doesn't sit well with a lot of Alzheimer's that he's too small, and he's not physically imposing how to you've you him. What that's the game today. The game is not physical the game is nine imposing the game is really, you know solved, and that's the way they play it right now. And he having fun with what what? The rules are allocated to him. He goes out there, and he plays the right way. Shoes to ball. He shoots it from long distance. People are trying to out shoot him at times and the game. Like, I out shoot you further than you out shoot me Steph. No, you can't you know, you just need to play your game. But Steph just goes out there, he has fun. And that's the way the game is played. How would you have defended staff? Well today in today's game, you can't defend them. Because you can't put your hands on them. You can't you can't determine one when we was planned. That's how we play we play growing up. We we very physical. We put our hands on you. We can put out four arm on you. We could move you in different ways where you didn't want to go, and we could push you. And that wasn't a foul today. You can't determine him and pushed him and knocked him off what they wanna go. That's the way it is. And but but the scorn is up is exciting. You know, he has a lot of charisma and what he does. And what they what they give him and how how the freedom he can shoot from anywhere. And wait a team is structured is great. They team is structured that. Hey, where where they have a lot of freedom and all five of them on any given night. Can can it a basket, Tim? It's funny when you played in this league, it was a big league. If you didn't have a center, you almost wanna legitimate team true now. Now, if you don't have a point guard and a good wing, you're not a legitimate team. Drew it. But you know, what you you also have centers. You know, you you have Draymond green. That to me is too glued that team is say, he's the he's the head of the snake. He gives them that team confidence to go out then and be able to do whatever they do. So I want to talk about this. So the warriors based on today's rules are the most dominant team I've ever seen. No question. Most believe the team you faced the bulls. Who by the way, didn't have a bunch of long range shooters were very physical more mid range. If you slice the rules up where you could hand check. If let's just say, I brought the hand check back. I've made the argument that you. You don't use all the bulls rules or all the warriors? But if you did bring the hand check back. The bulls would beat the warriors Hugh faced Jordan right go back to tell for young people watching us. Everybody was glommed onto Jordan Iowa's argued that was the longest most physical team to talk about facing that Jordan bull's team. And what it was like it was great to face those teams because that's the way we played we played physical. We played we play with a lotta careers out. There we play what a lot of of spunk. And you had to be tough to play a nose day. You were on those type Miami teams zone. Right, right. I mean, you know, you had to play tough. You know, damn Marley was tough. I was tough for Sean. Lennon was tough PJ. Brown was tough. You know, we was we was we was out there really almost fighting because that's the way to route. Were. That's why we brought was brought up to play in play grounds tough rugged, and and physical, and and if you saw two years ago when the Braun one day series against the Golden State Warriors day was physical. Yes. With the Golden State Warriors that that's the way to be was very physical. But they was in with the rules. They was not against the rules. They was they was within the rule within rules. India what they supposed to do at at the particular time when he was supposed to push them off screens get over screens and help out and they switch when they suppose switch and Tristan. Thompson did a great job with with staying on curry when he gave the ball up and stay on them. And not forget about them. And let them go in Rome. So that's the way. That's what you gotta do. You got you got an understand. How can I manipulate the ruin exactly until bulls manipulate? They took it right today edge, and that's how they played each and every playoff game right in by the way the bulls. Are they played to manipulates perfect? They took the rules to the edge before them the pistons took the rules to the edge right there. And right now last year, the two teams that took the new culture, the edge, the warriors, and the rockets who's the best coach ever either coach with the NBA played for best coach and why you know, I played foot- three hall of fame. Coach Don Haskins at university of Texas, El Paso, Don, Nelson at what the warriors and Pat rally with mime. He so I played with three hall of fame coaches Riley tough. I'll all three on was tough. All three hundred was tells they demanded a lot from your team first of all day demand. You to be phys great, physical shape. They demanded that you know, how to play out the on on on a court, and they demanded that you didn't go out there and do stupid. Things out there on the court. So we I like it they they they told me a lot about the game. And and I was grateful to have them. But you know, Don Nelson. He was innovative UC four times way before before that the way to games played today is what Don lines. Board today. We that's the way we was playing in the nineties and a lot of people don't know that we played exactly the same way to warriors plan now in the nineties. We had Tom Tolbert or Jim Peterson. P- point forward bringing a ball up. You know, run all fence we had plays where we back cut. We had played I on your team. Oh, Chris me. Chris mitch. Yeah. It was suitor. Rod Higgins, Terry Teagle. You know, TMC, you know, we had a bunch of shoot. As man we we played exactly the same way they played today. And a lot of people don't understand that that Don Nelson had this in his sight at that particular time. So he was way way ahead of his time. So we I mean, we had fun planning at way too. And a lot of people didn't know we didn't know what we was doing at times. And we know that they didn't know where he was doing. Who's the most underrated player, I'm gonna give you the most underrated player in NBA history. And then you tell me the most underrated player Tim Hardaway five time all star. I'll tell you the most underrated player of all time Mark Price. And I was going to tell you Rostro Clint. Struan was great. I got to Portland. He was there. Interesting cat. I heard he threw up before every game real nervous guy will Alonzo Mourning to before every game before every game Alonzo Mourning threw up. Yeah. Yep. In a Cup right before every game. Yeah. That's terrible. That was nasty when I first saw when I first got I was like man, what are you doing? He said, I'm just nerves. I gotta get to nervousness every game every game. Rod strickland. Strict. We had him on the show one time. Good, dude, right guy. Great guy, right, dude. Terry onto rate it another one who. Kevin johnson. Well, he he was great. Yeah. Kevin getty's. Marley barkley. Right, right. Forget about him. Charles Barkley Marlene early. Kevin johnson. There's Danny aines chambers. Tom Chambers was on that teen sorry about that. I got so excited, Tim. It's great senior nice seeing you too. And I appreciate you having me on Tim Hardaway, former great NBA all star joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the heard mine news. All right. So the Packers are traveling face patients on Sunday nights, very antiquated game. And the Rogers Brady debate is raging and yesterday Aaron was asked about it. And he wants no parts of it. I mean, I love you guys worry about about those those types of conversations, I think that's end of career conversation. I'm just worried about winning right now, and he's got five championship. So and most discussions, I think. Unfortunately, it does not. If somebody is much discuss if somebody said joy, Bob is the greatest attorney of all time. I would say, okay. How many cases has he won? Okay. If you're going to be the greatest quarterback of all time and Tom Brady still playing Tom's went a lot more cases. If you're going to be the greatest if you're going to be the greatest blank. Wow, I gonna suits to the other attorney. That's what you want cases that he was whenever you have good good cases to me quarterbacks about winning. I it's not like baseball. I don't care about your OPB look at what judge they had to me individual Kate. Did you win more case? If you want ninety percent of your cases, you're an all time. Great attorney. I don't listen. I don't know why this debate why having a debate of the grace of all time takes anything away from Aaron Rodgers incredible talent and his career is not over who knows. Maybe he'll win five championships. I don't think so, but it's not over. It's an end of the the career conversation in general, but it's also still fun having. So we do because sports fans, but to me winning championships matters when you talk about the greatest of all time, it's huge. It is huge. Thank you. Don't. We. We're not here for participation trophies. You're playing a Super Bowl, right? He has more. That's what it is. And a lot more not just like one more. All right. This is weird yesterday. We talked about this earlier in the show. Matt Patricia when a full seventh grade teacher. During his press conference yesterday the first year head coach sitting at three and four and a day after trading away, golden Sadie focuses energy on scolding reporter for his posture. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm here. Well, you know to me favorite just kinda sit up and just like have a little respect for the process every day. You asked me questions, and you just kind of like, you know, give me this. But I mean, this is to be a little respect for just I'm asking just to be a little respectful in this whole process. Okay. So as me a question, professionally no answer for you. It's a strangest reaction I've ever seen in my life. It's not like the reporter was laying on a couch next. Patricia. I don't understand it. I. I I mean. Yeah. So okay. So that's an appropriate. That's an appropriately. I truly Don. I could not describe the death stare that. I would return. It was almost like. It was almost like it was almost like a reporter had written something negative about personal. Because the the question wasn't out of line. It wasn't unreasonable unreasonable over the top question and just a weird response. Especially in that that's an intimate press conference. I don't know who asks it. But I'm assuming it's local. So, you know, it's just pay. You can sit on every once and finally big night for Derrick rose last night. He poured in a career high fifty points. Let's timber wolves over the jazz and is performance vote. The memories of their grossest pass for many run the league took those including LeBron James and Rosas brought tears by his performance. And he and the bronze book with performance after the game. You and your career high fifty points. What does it mean to you? Everything. Even when a superheroes down still a superhero at the end of the day grow show. Why are you still a superhero yet? We've talked about Cam Newton and people kind of remembering him Nunes every year and kind of holding Cam to this sort of style GIC place that every time Cam does something that's exciting. And all of a sudden he's back in the MVP race. And now to camps better. These not hurt the way the Derrick rose has been hurt. But people hold this there grows in this in this sort of space, I've been critical of Derrick rose just because I feel like his injuries, and some of the things that you apart, you know. Yeah, he's he's he did he did. But this is a nice moment for him like, you can tell he very emotional having having this moment. I mean, he hasn't had a forty plus game in seven years. Oh, wow. And he's averaging nineteen points this year. So obviously this time he's fifty points a big deal, but it's a nice debt grows, and he can tell his teammates and the fans we're really excited about it. By the way, it's fitting that had happened with Minnesota the most confusing perplexing team in the league. Derrick rose have either told you five years ago, he's going to go to this one crazy team and have one of his great night's. You'd be like how about Minnesota weird things happen there? It's the it's kind of unexplainable. The Minnesota T wolves Minnesota question marks joins with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by heard lie coming up. I'm going to hand out my NFL midseason awards, and including my MVP that will be next in best for last. If you've got the dreaded stuffy nose. It's that time of the year. We are now in November sign X nasal spray from Vicks uses directed when congestion strikes sign X nasal spray. It's the hurt. One. More heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like good Evian in our best to last today. I figured we're midway through the season midway through the season. So here we go Joey and best for last today. It's our heard midseason NFL awards. It's. It's time for the NFL season war where we hand out awards all the top categories and a bunch of other ones we totally made up earlier this morning, please read welcome your home's Colin. All right. These are my mid season awards envelope. Please joy to all right? We will start with Collins best team her diction. The winner of my best team prediction. Congratulations to the LA. Chargers who I said would be dark horror Super Bowl pick. They are six and total offense. They have a four game winning streak. Their only losses to the Rams and the chiefs and they've cut down. They've add the talent for years. They've cut down on the thing. That was really the reliability. They beat themselves. They now. Top-five fewest give away some of the most takeaways the, hyper aggressive chargers are absolutely in fact, when I talk chargers, I'll get more texts from exacts and scouts in the league that say dude that roster is as good as the Rams my best team prediction, so far has been the chargers. All right. Your worst. Team prediction, the hurt NFL midseason award for my worst. Midseason prediction is the New York Giants who I called a dark horse Super Bowl contender. They're just dark darkhorse. Nobody wants to watch them. Nate solar has been exposed. They are one in seven. They don't do anything. Well, there are thirty. I in the NFL in rushing, and they are thirty first in the NFL in sacks Twenty-eight in points per game. And remember how shocked I was when Brian Cox came on my show. Oh and laughed at my darkhorse. Super Bowl prediction Johnson. No good. Now. That's a little strong. No good. No good. Nate solar Odell saquon Barkley. No good. No good. No good. What might win five-game? Oh, come on. That's my worst team prediction. So far the New York Giants join. All right. The next one is the best rookie quarterback prediction. The winner is all of them as Jordan. Palmer said earlier today they've been fairly predictable. Darnold has been hot and cold stoic and professional bakers been hot and cold nosy, but an accurate thrower. Josh rosen. Throws the prettiest ball, but already got hurt. And I cautioned his durability. Lamar Jackson's not ready to start but has been dynamic and Josh Allens, not ready to start and has at times been overwhelmed. My best rookie quarterback prediction. We're good on that. We're five for five on the quarterbacks all of them. All right. This is the coach that you bailed on two were totally wrong. The hurt NFL midseason awards the coach I bailed on and completely whiff was Pete Carroll. I said there's a lot of raw politics. A lot of nonsense not enough. Russell Wilson and not enough details. Seattle has rebooted and peach done an incredible job. They don't turn it over. They now are the most run Centric team in the NFL and all the pizza teams generally achieve at a high level defensively their fourth in pass defense fifth and total defense and since week four in the NFL joy the best running team in the best defense. I kind of bailed on Pete I said, I think it it's running out. I was totally wrong. And I'm giving myself and award for being completely wrong. All right here is the coach that you build on. You're totally right. The winner of this is easy. Jon Gruden out of the sport that's incredibly fluid to begin with Jon Gruden has been and you can watch him tonight has said the wrong thing has traded the wrong people they gave up Khalil Mack and their last in sacks thirty points. Thirty third down. I never really bought the quarterback whisper. Although I think he's a bright guy in a great TV guy. I didn't buy this coming in. And we've been right on that. So the words continue the most entertaining press conference moments. I think this is easy. Ryan Fitzpatrick dressing as Conor McGregor hands down the hurt NFL midseason award for most entertaining press conference week two after a second straight four hundred yard game. He was a good sport smart, dude. Currently by the way has the best passer rating. I'm not joking National Football League. I'm not. Joking. Ryan Fitzpatrick also currently the starter. All right. So player you supported for way. Too long of that. Jameis Winston wins the award the hurt NFL midseason award. Joy you called it. The player I supported way too long. Listen, I said. He's got some Eli manning where there are times you watch him. And you're like, wow, you could win a Super Bowl this guy. The difference is ally off the field and on the field does show maturity and leadership. James off the field is juvenile and on the field has almost bizarre judgment his interceptions last week. They just make no sense. He was suspended for the first three games of the season. And at this point. I don't think anybody inside the building there. They won't say it publicly. I think nobody trusts him off the I don't think he's lost trust of the building. I said that going into the season, and I supported him way too long. All right. This is a move you had doubts about and still have doubts about my award for the move. I doubt it, and I still doubt Josh Gordon to the patriots. Listen when you have a chemical issue or a drug issue. It's that's the hardest thing to overcome and Josh Gordon super talented. But there are some things now that we're in his control and that are out and do you have an addiction problem? Do you have issues that are beyond just, you know, getting up and going to work? Last week, by the way, they suspended him briefly that didn't make it public WI it appeared, according to reports that he didn't show up late to practice. I still don't find him a trustable asset post thanksgiving, I doubted it coming in. And I still doubt it now. All right and finally your most valuable person award. Yeah. Now, we have an MVP most valuable player. I think the most valuable person in the NFL I would give that the Sean McVay of the Rams. First of all, the only feta team second of all every single owner in this league is looking for the next Sean McVeigh. He is created a fascinating culture, which you're gonna watch get copycat ID from here on out. He wouldn't play any of his stars in the preseason. He wouldn't play any of them watch NFL teams next year play. None of their top players a snap in the preseason. People are copying him. By the way. He also gives veteran players. No pads no contact during the week at practice that is being duplicated now in the NFL. He turned Jared Goff into what what looked like a bust into a franchise quarterback. And when the NFL roll the dice on moving the Rams, Saint Louis a very legitimate sports down to Los Angeles. There was a lot of people that said this may not work the apathy, the Lakers dodgers, it's been an absolute homerun. In fact, I would argue it's killed USC and UCLA football. They are not a topic in this town anymore. And I also think he has had an incredible impact. He has changed. How NFL owners in GM's look at young coaches, you know, lane kiffin came in didn't work with Al Davis. Young coaches. Got a bad label McVeigh has changed that people are now willing to roll the dice. Sean McVay is going to do more twenty eight to thirty eight year old coaches of favor than anybody in NFL history. So Patrick, Mahomes, maybe the most valuable player Jared guy, Sean. Mcveigh? The heard NFL midseason awards is the most valuable person so far in the NFL season. Black Friday deals start now at Lowe's, forty percents off appliance special values offer valid through the seventh of this month while supplies last. See store for details. US only black Friday deals start. Now at Lowe's forty percent off. Well last night. We saw it. Lonzo ball was good. Lonzo ball played minutes. And the the Lakers won. The Lakers are now three and one when Lonzo plays more moments or more minutes than Rondo and Chris Broussard came on earlier, we talked about this. There was a battle going into the season veteran Rondo young Lonzo again last night. Lonzo got the major minutes and the Lakers looked really good and Bruce talked about that you got one player that needs the ball. And that can't shoot. That's rondo. You've got another player who has proven. He doesn't need the ball, and he can shoot off the ball spot up shoot. That's lonzo. Obviously lonzo's gonna fit better with LeBron. They wanted to win to some degree. Now, they're not thinking championship. But they're thinking, hey, we do want to make the playoffs. We do want to make a little noise in the playoffs. That's why they went out and got Rondo land. Stevenson. And the veterans so those necessarily go together. Lonzo ball last night. Lakers. One too. Big leads almost blew it. He went three for three from beyond the arc. He had seven assists. No turnovers. He's a better defender than Rondo and. Well, I think Lonzo I think Lonzo juxtaposed with Rondo he's more chill. And I also think as I said earlier growing up with lavar he's okay being in the shadow when you're surrounded by a loud alpha. And I think he's worked very well with LeBron James tomorrow on the show the red hot blazing five Peter King TJ Hirschman zodda, the blazing five office to its best start ever can Jon Gruden saved the season for the raiders tonight. It's the her.

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Best of The Herd for 06/17/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

47:50 min | 2 years ago

Best of The Herd for 06/17/2019

"I'm Dani Shapiro, my new podcast family secrets just racked up its first season. And it's filled with stories about the secrets that are kept from us secrets that we keep from others and the secrets, we keep from ourselves. If you've been waiting for the right time to binge them all now's your chance. Check out the episodes, along with bonus interviews and stories and keep an ear out for the next season in August. You can find out more at family secrets podcast dot com, and you can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts, or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio NFS one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. The best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox Sports radio. This is. The heard vaca- can white wherever you may be in. However you may be listening. We're alive on Monday morning. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio. And wherever else we land Twitter, Facebook. Youtube. Yeah, we're going to go on vacation. But I scheduled my AK for Tuesday because I thought about couple of weeks ago, I thought Anthony Davis deal, Toronto's better than I thought series could go. Seven Samina schedule my vaca- for Tuesday. So Bakke shins can White Fathers day help you had a great Father's Day yesterday. I watched five hours, a golf and was on Twitter with Anthony Davis thoughts. So the Lakers every the deal to get Anthony Davis who won the trade. That's what we want to know, right? Well, the pelicans got three draft picks to drops flops to starters bench, guys six total players to draft swops for Anthony Davis. Feels lopsided New Orleans. But even with the pelicans, I could give you several narratives a pelicans lug. It all those pieces Zairan plus Lonzo equals highlight film six players for one guy. What a future. Or be Lonzo ball doesn't want to be there. And he and Brandon Ingram can stay healthy draft picks are nineteen year olds. Do you watch the finals, not a lot of those? There was one young guy in the whole finals that mattered Fred van bleed, and he went to college for a bunch of years. So he came into the league man. Lakers this morning. We got a AD. We won. I could have several narratives, they're hey, now you have the best star combo in the NBA. Lebron, plus Anthony Davis, both healthy both rested. Also, this is big for me. Gotta keep Kyle. Kuzma paying him nothing for two years. Which allows you to go get another big guy and Vegas title favorite or be two stars. And. We've only got five guys on the roster right now. And LeBron plus a great big is going to be good. But he and Bosh had issues. He and Kevin love had some issues. We always want instant analysis a grade who won. But what both the pelicans in the Lakers? Really did they chose the direction? That's what they did the pelicans. It's a football city run by football people until David Griffith. Got there can sell hope future optimism. That's good enough and the Lakers kids took over for dad kinda rudderless once again contenders. Listen. The pelicans chose direction hope we're not just a football city. That's what they need and can sell in that city and they delivered it and the Lakers, you know, kids aren't as good as dad. Stock prices reeling standards are higher lotta options in Los Angeles NFL's now in town. We need to be important today and dispel this notion. We are rudderless, check check both teams. You can talk about draft picks, but you know why they're excited in New Orleans Zion. He's a star and you know why they're excited in Los Angeles, because they have AD and LeBron to stars. I don't wanna hear about draft picks folks, if you take Zion out the pelicans got a bunch of questions. Lonzo Ingram can stay healthy Josh heart. So what bench guy bunch of draft picks? If you took Zion out the next three years for the pelicans looks like one of those edible arrangements. Ooh cantaloupe on a stack. I've always wanted that zion's the keen, everything. He's the son, everything will rotate around it. Brandon Ingram blood caught Lauda shoe in the Lakers privately told people about Brandon Ingram year ago, they'd come to terms with not really an alpha, not great at anything good at some things can't stay healthy, Josh heart, total ceiling Lonzo. He's missed like sixty games and a number four pick in a draft with three absolutes, but what I can say. Definitively is both teams chose a direction, hope and optimism in New Orleans win now and content in Los Angeles, neither team this morning. Neither franchise this morning, feels rudderless and that's a win for both teams. Now let me shift to multiple angles on this. Let's start with this one. Reading the headline Lakers, making Kemba Walker top target after the eighty deal cameras, not as gifted his Kyrie, but he would be considered a third star y'all. So here, Jimmy Butler, you hear kyri let me talk about this land, a third star thing because the Lakers this morning now have a choice. Land Kemba go after Jimmy land. You know, a third guy. Wait to land a big fish or take the twenty twenty five million and Landa bunch Hetty veterans. Trevor reason Danny green JJ Rettig, Patrick Beverley is out there. That's the option. I believe in sprinkle, the infield get a bench. Get veterans George the finals, not a lot of babies in that not a lot of teenagers in that those are man twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty one Mark your soul Sergio Botka Steph curry, Draymond glee, green. I mean it was it was grownups. Fill the roster out with reliable B and B, minus guys, because those guys in may and June. You're not teaching them how to play basketball Jamal Crawford. Brooks Lopez again Danny green listen. Lebron's always understood very few players, are at his level physically. He gets that. But what drives LeBron nuts? And this is when he puts his head down and sometimes gets discouraged and seems distracted is when you're not at his intellectual level, and there's not a nineteen twenty twenty one year old in America on his intellectual basketball level. There isn't lonzo's smart, he's not there and so veterans motivated to get a ring. JJ Rettig Rudy gay Darren collison, the name out there. And let's be honest about the third star under LeBron they always feel left out because LeBron's ball, Centric, Chris Bosh felt like a valet. Kevin love luggage carrier. They always feel like underutilized their agents in their ear. You're not a three euro one, they're lucky to have you LeBron's ball dominator. In fact, the only third guy, I would really consider as Klay Thompson, and that's mostly because of his personality. He's perfect. But if I can get a JJ Ruddick a Seth curry, a Danny green Adere, George hill. Hi, q shooters, plus LeBron, I'm not a big believer in go. Top heavy with third star. You'll have no bench. Lebron now is not twenty-seven. He's not giving you forty two minutes tonight. He's not interested frankly, to play a Todd minutes on the defensive end he's not giving you eighty two games he's going to give you seventy. So the bench matters depth matters when you're superstars gonna be thirty five next year, and he's still great. You're not getting forty minutes. You're not getting eighty two games go. Find a Marcus. All go fill out the roster. With intellectual equals here respects, you got your two stars. We have a history here. Lebron works well with smart guys shooters and another star. You add a third, there's always the guy feeling undervalued underutilized. Bosch love hall of famers kind of felt like valets had the marginalized themselves their games don't and Kemba Walker is a good guy like he's a good guy. But to get Kemba Walker. You got no bench and for the record, a dis not giving eighty two games either. He's probably giving you sixty nine seventy be sure to catch live. Additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one. One and the iheartradio app. Have you ever thought about how much the place you choose to live directly impacts, the you that you become that's where apartments dot com can help apartments dot com has the most listings, which means you have the most apartments townhomes condos and houses to choose from to kind of unlock your full potential and become the best version of yourself. You're in control of your rental future. They have amazing custom search tools. 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None of you felt Lisa Marie, Presley and nNcholas cage was going to last forever. Wasn't a Stephen nNcholas cage new see what see what I can get out of this knowing alas long. Kim Kardashian and power forward. Kris humphries. Did that say Joanna Woodward and Paul Newman? Katy Perry Russell brand Taylor swift. And anybody? Lyle Lovett Julia Roberts you can tell that stuff's not lasting forever, Lonzo with the pelicans feel short term to me. It's got two years left. A he doesn't he never been out of LA when it Lonzo lavar ball ever say before this move cowed, I would love to play. In New Orleans never didn't visit to lane on a recruiting trip. L A kid born and bred. Be lonzo's missed the last thirty five games of last year. In his NBA career. He's played ninety nine he's missed sixty five and even when he plays he's rarely one hundred percent healthy those wickets aren't great. See you want lavar ball hanging around this organization. The pelicans now are optimistic and fun and Zion. And Lonzo is not going to be the star here. Drew holidays, the best player zion's, the most magnetic player, you think Lonzo, lavar, especially the VAR going to be happy him being the third most talked about guy, and frankly, most people in the NBA like Ingram is a town over Lonzo, he could get lost in this and law, lavar is a lot of static. There's also something to remember the NBA draft is only two rounds and they mostly there's a lot of exceptions. They mostly run out of players by about fifteen over the last thirty years, you get to all stars draft to two and a half. Then you get about eight guys who sign a third NBA contract that can really play dominos just a bunch of dudes. Okay. So you in the NBA draft you just draft who you think can make the league. You don't get picky. You gotta forward already the forwards the best available guy. You take a forward. You know it's not like the NFL where the patriots needed a pass rusher. They need a corner, they need a wide receiver. They went out and got that receiver Arizona state that probably wasn't a highest ranked player but they needed a wide receiver. So you can be a little picky. You can tell the press. Well, we just draft for value you needed a receiver. You went and got a receiver and Bella check hates drafting receivers. But there's some need here in the NBA. You just pick a guy you think can make the league because not many guys make the leak and right now after the trade, pelicans have the number four pick. And the fourth best player is Darius garland, easily the best guard out of Vanderbilt can play. Now there's not a lot of. Uh-huh. On him like Kyrie Irving didn't play a lot of college games. But he's great. So you draft him because you don't get tricky on this. Well, we, we have drew holiday, we have Lonzo we don't worry need to take a guy, you think's going to be the fourth best basketball player available in the draft, Barry. Ed, if it was another forward, you take Zion, and you take another forward, you just do it. And you figure it out later. So I don't think I think you get Darius garland, who could be potentially very good, southern kid, comfortable there, you got drew holiday. You plan nine twelve minutes opening year. Lonzo's undoubtedly gonna get hurt. He starts fifteen and then in a year you move Lonzo if he's not happy. You're not happy. You got your guard. But you gotta be very careful in the NBA. You gotta be careful. Don't try to out think the room who at number four is the best town available regardless of your need draft him. And a lot of people think it's Darius garland for Vanderbilt and he's a guard. So I didn't Lonzo doesn't feel like New Orleans. It's I would be very interested in one year. Now if Lonzo as a very good year becomes a nice trade piece, then you have garland. You got drew. You got Zion? You got Ingram. Maybe now you can move them for a big now now you've got a good team now. I can be a little choosier and a trait trades artificial spots drafts are to just get due to complain stick. So I don't think I just don't feel of all the players lonzo's the one to keep your eye on. I don't it doesn't feel like this, this feels much more Kardashian, Kris Humphries to me. Then Tom Hanks doesn't feel like it's going to last for forty years. It just doesn't it just does not to me, be sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific every Monday. We do something called Colin was right. Colin was wrong and stories that develop over the last seven to ten days where I've had a strong opinion and I either whiffed or was spot on. So here we go, where Colin was right. The Celtics never a real player in the Anthony Davis trade. I, I contend they leak stuff to make make it worse for the Lakers and make the Lakers give more picks because Danny aines, hate the Lakers, the sticking point was trading Jason Tatum, which we said, would always be the deal breaker, Danny. According to two reports was willing to trade Jason Tatum, but didn't want to include anything with Jason Tatum. Just a straight swap and Anthony Davis right now is a much better player than Jason Tatum who for the record I love. So I wouldn't give up Jason Tatum either I contend next year. The Celtics are gonna win fifty five games and be in the Eastern Conference finals. I actually think kyri hurt him. So I wouldn't have made the deal either. Because he was around on. I don't think Anthony Davis truly rich. Paul told you is agent in I'm going to stay there, but I never bought they were, you know, I never bought this thing. And now it's all a bunch of post trade comments. You never close where Colin was raw one day after the warriors, lost the finals, did Kevin Durant setback reflect come to a senses. No. He already met with Kyrie Irving. Really? I don't get the move money less roster. Knicks awful owner in New York weirdo. I don't get it. The warriors showed Kevin Durant at every opportunity. They loved him. And I also think this finals reshape the narrative that they abso Lutely need him. There's no question now steps not going to win it without K D. He needs help me. God Vegas has the warriors like six fifth best odds the win the championship. They wouldn't have Katie came back. So, but he apparently is at least emotionally interviewing Kyrie already moved on where Colin was. Right. Never understood how so many smart NBA media types, keep Paul falling for the regular season, stories, the NBA regular season is address rehearsal. It's the driving range of Gulf, Milwaukee number one regular season, most double digit wins in league history. Couldn't even win the east without LeBron. Denver number two, regular season couldn't win a second series James harden, thirty six game. The all looked exhausted by the end. Folks, regular season is a different sport. Then the NBA playoffs guys like Draymond green are seven point seven rebound guys, and then transform indicate starters in the playoffs coli, Leonard completely shifts gears in the postseason. Don't fall for Mr. January. It never works, where Colin was raw congrats to the baby dinosaurs. I never envisioned. Fred van bleat would be hitting the key shots in this NBA finals. I'm not gonna lie. I whipped on that one. I didn't think Kevin Durant Klay in cave on looney would all get hurt. My bad. I couldn't predict that I've never seen a finals like that, where one team physically fell apart. I've never seen anything like it seriously. I've never seen anything like it, and I thought warriors and six and it was the raptors in six where Colin was right. Well the. Oakland Raiders wanted hard knocks a business decision and they got it. Listen. We said all along the raiders are trying to sell season. Tickets in Vegas now that the Golden Knights are there Vegas has a professional franchise and they want to sell forty thousand season tickets. So they're being active and aggressive and noisy. This is a game plan Antonio Brown. Acquisition made no sense. If you looked at what they done with Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper, it made no sense at all. Why not just keep Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack, not the noisy guy? But John gruden's got a ten year deal. He and owner Mark Davis in cahoots have come to terms with let sell tickets for a couple years, you're safe here. I'm not buying out, and then we'll worry about winning years, three on. But we got to sell tickets a hard knocks was a business decision. And to me, that's always been the first two years for the raiders, where Colin was raw ratings way, way up in the US open. Now Brooks kept ga. I thought was actually interesting yesterday. I don't think he has a big personality, but his last six majors, a second. I the second of I thirty nine hundred I he's the first player to shoot under seventy four straight rounds and not win the US open again. I, I don't think he's a captivating personality. But I think his game is unbelievable. There's no visible flaws. And he's kind of a fascinating personality in that it, major at non majors. He barely cares at majors. He's all in inaugural give you lot verbally. But I did think yesterday KEPCO with a chance to win a third move. The ratings up like forty percent. They got a five point two. That's a big number. Now, some of it is Pebble Beach is a painting. I sat there and watch five and a half hours, it wasn't because of Brooks kept cut until the last ninety minutes, but he had some ability yesterday to move the needle. And I think he did where Colin was. Right. Lebron's Awin now player we predicted this trade last week, we said it would happen, and it would happen fast. That's why I scheduled a flight on Tuesday. I had a feeling this puppy was going to come down either Sunday, Saturday or Friday, the pelicans wanted the Lakers, number four pick because that's the best pick out of all this for them. Is this number four pick most of those pictures, swaps? There's only one top ten or top eight guaranteed. So this was a, a trade that you could really. I mean, I think all of us ought coming, but I felt it was going to happen forty-eight hours and it did where Colin was raw Lonzo ball's Laker career ended up being a bunch of nothing a forty four percent free throw shooter ten points a game. Thirty eight percent from the field and never ever healthy. Allow dad some bad rap songs talented, but never popped, you know, he's a little too, quiet and a little too passive in for my liking. I did think before he got hurt lash. That year. He was more aggressive attacking the basket at finishing at the rim. And I really liked that. Lonzo gave me about ten games of that. And there are elements of his game. I love, I still think he's long. He's got incredible vision. I think he's a good teammate. I think guys like him David Griffin likes him a lot. But I thought in the first two years, he would pop he just, frankly he misses one at a three games or more. He's hurt. And even when he plays he's not one hundred percent where Colin was right. Well, we predicted last week, the Golden State dynasty, they would lose game six to Toronto and they would lose their last game at oracle and the dynasty would feel like it's over and Vegas has them as the sixth best title odds. I think they're going to be a really really, really good version of Portland, a great back court, a couple of decent wings or a big, but not, not intimidating not scary. These dynasties tend to last five years. The San Francisco Giants dynasty reminds me of the warriors, five years, three titles. And then there's this sense that you know what we owe. All these guys, the maximum out. We can pay him you do. And you get old and you have no bullpen and you have no bench, and you're really, really top heavy, and that feels like what they're going to be katie's probably got in clay's, not plan till March Kohn a major injury. It feels at least now it's on hold where Colin was right. We told you Baker Mayfield would get pushback when he criticized running back Duke Johnson, who wants a new team don't mess with another guy's money. Tom brady. Russell wilson. Andrew lock drew. Brees b? Wpro teammate, swallow your opinion, several teammates approach Baker Mayfield. Not the end of the world. But Baker, you don't have to win the moment. Sometimes, again, I'll say it talent. Never dispute. It maturity often do quarterback is not just about. You can throw the ball and hit a twenty six yard out. Are you a twelve year personality? The bore four Russell Wilson lock Brady. It's wild like Jared Goff. The hides he's not worried about his brand. He's worrying about being a good teammate and winning twilight Sam. Darnold, twilight Andrew lock. It's why like Russell Wilson. You don't have to win every argument. And when you're twenty three and twenty four, you've gotta find the right personality. Not just the right town. Jay Cutler out the talent. I never liked his personality. Philip rivers had less talent. I liked his personality, Colin right. Colin wrong. On Monday one more heard the herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like ipod cast fans I Mattie stout. And I love podcast so much that I started my own podcast called access podcast. It's the podcast about podcast each week. I have conversations with some of the world's greatest podcasters, and I try to help you find new stuff to listen to their over seven hundred thousand podcasts in the world. And my goal is to help you find your next podcast to binge season. Three of access podcast is up now. Listen to subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Our three year we go. This is the her. Wherever you may be. However listening. I gotta get right for the whole week. I'm sorry, go. I'm sorry. I'm done. I'd say, I Doug Gottlieb's into join me. Thanks so much to me this part of your day. Fox Sports radio and Fox Sports do that anymore. Well, I do. I'm on iheartradio today. I'm on Fox Sports radio and a bunch of apps and stuff. Yeah, it used to be apps were just Brussels sprouts. And now looming onion, they gap rubbing on Doug Gottlieb, Fox Sports radio. All right. Let's start our three with the dog because he's got a show after mine. One hour from now, which is in a different studio, but on Fox Sports radio. All right. The question, you know, first of all, everybody says I it's kind of, you know who won. I don't really care because, you know you can never really tell, but I think a real question is did the Lakers. Give up too much. Yeah. I, I guess I mean yeah. I I don't there were some. I thought they could have hold held a firmer line and a couple of other things. Yeah. I'll give you an example. We're all and rightfully kind of pooh-poohing this fourth pick because the top heavy top three draft, right? Yeah. I was told that there was a workout with Darius garland, who could be the number four pick vantage point Guardia that, that, that he was as impressive as anybody that the Lakers have seen workout since Donovan Mitchell and before Donovan Mitchell, like when when they drafted Lonzo ball, the collective group that was with the Lakers. Then thought that one they liked the earn FOX better. And they thought that Donovan Mitchell was the best play best guards that they saw magic, and, and rob Lincoln decided to draft Lonzo ball, but e D Garland's garland was dad impressive. He's a Damian Lillard type play. He is a score. He's only nineteen and only played a couple of games this year because of meniscus tear, but they saw them like, man, this is a hell of a player so, because of the timeline of what they can and can't do with the salary cap. And they might not like I would have why not hold onto that fourth pick if you're going to what way all those picks peers. They, they had to trade Ingram was going to go. Anyway, they, they, they, they grew to like Ingram. They never loved Ingram. He's got an injury issue. And he's a mid range shooter, he's like a poor man's poor man's version of, of Kevin Durant. And he's the only guy remaining that wasn't drafted since rob took over. Right. So he was gonna go Josh heart. They kind of fell out of love with he hit a ceiling last year. Yes. He's not a starter. He's a backup player. Good. Culture guy got a little sensitive at certain times when he wasn't playing well and didn't have as many minutes. And then Lonzo ball was was the prize. Get of this trait. Yes, they really like Lonzo Lonzo fits with LeBron, lonzo's dynamic defensively, rebounding guard, great athleticism, and this'll be a summer, which he should should really improve. And I think that's one of the reasons the, the pelicans one this done earlier rather than later is like a get Lonzo in there and begin working with him integrating him in, in what they wanted to, but I joke. Earlier. Julia Roberts Lyle Lovett, you knew instantly. That's not gonna last. This doesn't feel pelicans, Lonzo does not feel like the hangs marriage. It doesn't feel like twel. Look, I'm going to disagree from from this standpoint drew holiday tremendous defensive player, a very good passing to guard complacent point. He's a good player. Lonzo ball, tremendous passer defensive player right Brandon Ingram v long and agile and can defend a bunch of positions, enzyme Williamson who can be a Swiss army knife defensively, like they should be very dynamic. But you, you hit you hit the nail on the head of the difference in knowing who you are the Lakers, believe Lakers, people are like, well, they're giving away, all these picks lingers believe, like, look, if they start winning again, and it becomes Showtime again. Yeah, they'll be able to get back to picking who they want to come to hatrick Beverly. JJ Rettig, maybe. Yeah we'll we'll get to that in a second. But I'm talking about in the long term future after LeBron who I will what happens after LeBron will after LeBron. They'll do what they've. Always done, which is pick who they want who wants to come in, and they'll come to LA. That's what they've always done. Right. Right. Whereas the pelicans, the secret to New Orleans is they know that with its Lonzo ball, drew holidays next deal. It's really hard to get somebody to stay in New Orleans and sign another contract. It just is. So you have to have younger you have to have younger players. But the answer the question who, who on the trade? Anthony Davis is in arguably one of the top ten players in league arguably one of the five best leak, and there's discussions going into last year that he might be the best all around player newly won the trade, they got the best player. It's not even into something, you just pointed out, which I think this is something, it's like when Harbaugh goes to Michigan harbach a Michigan's bigger than Harbaugh to Purdue Lakers. Now, are it team branding tickets? I mean, they, they were off TV last even with LeBron it was like they weren't a sexy TV play. It's like they are now for the next three to four years. They're going to be the it team. And it teams. And to get guys like JJ rhetoric and Patrick Beverley, who will Trevor Aretha who kind of want to be part of it, and chase the right Rudy gay you bring up JJ because, as a great, great one because be PS JJ was overpaid. The last two years, right to fill salaries and a lot of money made a ton of money. So now like, look, did you want to come back in and be the cow? Korver to the team, you can, I think they're going to go after I think canvas, the guy that they would want the most. Oh, it's not that I don't like him. But here's my thing, I would take Elisa third. But at once you go to take y yet done. Right. But I wouldn't take hiree. Here's my thing, not all first of all, kyri struggled to be a second guy. Good luck Pena third. Well, look. I mean, look, the, the idea, I mean, we have gotten into I'm Frank Vogel is gonna coach his team is going to be interesting. He's, he's coached Paul George and ROY Hibbert were his two biggest names, but isn't a pretty good with Biggs. No, yes, but there are no bigs anymore. Like again, it's coaching. There's nothing wrong with coaching LeBron and coaching Anthony Davis like he can coach. It's the managing all the other stuff. Right. Because we know Anthony Davis end of the day is going to be playing outside that three point line. And the bronze going to be having the bass like can Anthony Davis except the Chris Bosh role at times? Right. How, how do you manage those egos? That's what it becomes about with LeBron. So we haven't even we don't even know how that works. Let alone the. Rest of the coaching staff is going to be kind of fascinating. But look, Kemba Walker is in dynamic competitor. He he is. He is a walking kind of bucket score and LeBron likes and respects him any as good were relationship with several other people on the Laker staff. No maintenance, no, no, not the maintenance level of Kyrie, you know, carries one of those guys. That's, that's fair. That's pretty intelligent. But thinks he's brilliant. And so he tries to outsmart the room in kind of annoys people, I think if they don't get Kemba, then they go to the hey, let's go get a Darren collison, and then a JJ, yes. Spread the money around get a shooter, and equality point guard that can shoot as well. I think so. You know let's just let's just I, I think I don't think the Lakers are the best team in the league. They only have five guys on the roster on. They need another shooter. But I do think met LeBron, Anthony Davis, put you in the group of six seven. So I'll just throw these teams out that I think that are will be at some point next year. We'll watch the weekend game a moment and think they can win it. Lakers, Milwaukee clippers if they get coli Boston for a minute Houston on the bottom end and I'll throw Denver in there because they're young. And I think Denver's pretty interesting. I think there's about those six teams feel like we'll watch the next year and thinking, oh if they stay healthy. Well, we're also burying the lead Rome, Rome, burned down to the ground last week. Right. I mean that's, that's what happened. You know, run the the like just just just like it wasn't ancient Rome. The Golden State Warriors were incredible dynasty, and it had a chance to continue on it had a chance, and it still may reform itself, much like the bulls did like people forget that the bulls, the first incarnation had Jordan and Pippen and Horace Grant, and it had bison delay was there for a while eight, and he didn't play it had Paxton. And then BG Armstrong was the starting point guard the third year. Right. And paxton. Hit the big shot against Phoenix. The second incarnation Dennis Rodman. You know, it had Luc Longley as opposed to Bill Wennington and Bill Cartwright in the first one, you know, so the other parts changed, but the two superstars remain the same, but Kevin Durant being hurt being out for a year and Klay Thompson being out probably for a year before he's back. Right. Like he could play next year. But he's not going to be right until two years. Now. It changed the whole league. Yes. Ks. Holy. Yep. And so now the Lakers like wait, we have the two best players in the west Houston still has what they do with Chris Paul. He's getting older. Not younger. What do they do with Clint cappella, the can't play him late in games? The, the clippers are still, maybe we'll get Kawai and even if they do if you don't have Patrick Beverley, and you do have do you have the same culture, you had previously are you actually good enough? I do. I know what the rest of the roster's going to look like I don't do I think they spent a lot of capital to get him. I do. But you got to superstars one in his in his athletic prime the other one coming out of his athletic prime in the Brown James who's had the most time off he will have had. So you'll probably get the best version of him. I mean, I think we're exactly where we thought we would be it was just the path of getting to let from last year to this year. We all thought he was going to be a Laker. We all thought they were gonna have to treat a bunch. And the only thing difference was they didn't trade Cal Kouzmin, which most people thought they would have to give up to get him. You know it's interesting, Doug, it used to be on an older than you. I remember when you when you got a Dunkin or a Ewing or a Leitner they had not only were like twenty two but they'd played against NBA guys in the ACC or the big east. And those environments back then were rabid. In fact, I could argue a big college basketball Saturday was as bigger bigger than most NBA. Sure. And so now you get nineteen year olds I watched the finals and Fred van Vliet is the only young guy. And by the way, is not now. He played a lot of college basketball your. Yeah. And why the Lakers like Kuzina is he played three years in college, Josh heart. They liked his maturity played three or four years in college. I don't really mind giving up a bunch of draft picks because what they are. Now is now what they were in nineteen Ninety-one. They're just kids. And I don't think kids went in the playoff. No. They don't the kids don't in the playoffs. But you do you have to you have to backfill with some with some some youth for the regular season. Right. That has to kind of carry you on for the regular season. And they need to have some some depth. I mean, what killed the Golden State Warriors really was. They just they didn't have a lot of depth. And so their starters had to play extended minutes. And it I don't believe you're gonna hear people say that well. Yeah. Because Katie played twelve straight minutes. He tours achilles tendon his achilles time was probably torn partially before he went on the floor. Right. And then it fully popped when he made that one move. That's not why towards killers tenant. But the idea was remember, they had to play the clippers six games, and they got wore they got worn down physically because they didn't have as good a bench. They used to have. We've seen baseball pitchers. You don't get a third ver- Landers an outlier. Yes. But the third time he asked Kershaw to throw to fifty do not the same guys wrecked. So I I'm with I'm I, I agree with you. There were no kids that played in the playoffs. None, none of helps you. And so in order to win if you wanna win championship. Now, you got to do with grown as men, right? Veterans that who know who they are what they're all is. You give it to them. In a set spot. They know where their spots on the floor and they make shots and they don't blow defensive assignments. And so I think look JR Smith gonna get bought out, he's, you know, we don't be surprised if he ends up being potentially Laker because they can get him on the cheap and I saw some on Twitter. Today. It was pretty funny like what of Kemba Walker gets a hundred million dollars to appear in Space Jam in only ten million dollars ten million dollars to play for the Lakers. That's fun. Right. It would would be really would be really funny, but I, I will you come out of it going like, okay normally I would say trade, most of the house, except the kitchen sink in cow, coups meant to get Anthony Davis. That's a questionable trade. But what did they give up Josh heart rotation guy Brandon Ingram a starter, but they weren't in love with and doesn't fit with LeBron and they give up Lonzo who's going to be really, really good. But is a bit of a pain in the ass. And if that's what you have to give up to get Anthony Davis. You've got Anthony Davis, LeBron James got cow Ma and you still have a big salary cap spot or two. You got a chance to win the NBA championship because there are no perfect players even LeBron I saw him struggle with his when he broke into the league shooting. A three then is download game exposed in the Dallas series. And even now he'll lose confidence on that jumper. It's it's not like Kobe wear Kobe to shoot. His way out of sometimes LeBron move. Away from the three but it took me a while to learn how to play with others to win wasn't till. They got Phil Jackson that he understood figured out how to win basketball games. So let's talk Anthony Davis. He's not a perfect player. I'll tell you what. Here's my overview of him. He is the only big I trust at the free throw line light, you can pick and roll them defensively. He can defend. He's got good feet. He's had a lot of soreness back spasms, no breaks, not, not an alpha but LeBron is he's a really good player. I do worry when I look at the games played, I think to myself, it's a lot of soreness he was choosing not to play. I could he play in LA, if he felt like he could win. Like what what's his reputation the league on playing hurt? I'm gonna look I think he's a guy that's been dinged up and banged a little bit. But I also think that everybody's a copycat and they see quite Leonard resting was at twenty two games this year. And they're like we're going to do that. It'd be low load management city, I would I would expect regular seasons funny. You started the call was right. Call was wrong. Yeah. And you said that the regular what did you say regular season is the is the driving range of Gulf. Yes. But you actually bought the, the you bought you bought into the warriors were better without K D because of the regular season numbers, without K D as opposed the regular just, you know. No. Those are they are powerful numbers, just like the Seventy-three winds. Well, it was a powerful number that people like they were the best team ever like no they just went for it when other teams were load, managing back then. Well, I think one of the things we said going into the finals was Toronto is long and Durant. I know his offense is great. Yeah. Kevin's not a terrible defender. He's long like that one quarter. He was on the floor. Gonzalo went from strength reliability. You're like, oh, marks gotta go out and garden. Now it's a problem. Well, that's, that's there's two parts to it that I think sometimes people miss on. You just nailed. It is, when Durant on the floor allows them to play small and still defend the rim. Right right to do both. And, and it completely changed that they had to take, you know, Marcus all off the floor and you take Mark assault. The floor is just it's different than all of a sudden, it becomes an and now you have. What Serge Ibaka, and even Serge Ibaka can struggle to guard on the floor. He's a shop locker and yes, he can catch and shoot. But it's not like he's crazy. Agile off the dribble set changed the whole matchups of the series, the other part in real indictment of the warriors was when Steph curry is not out in the floor, you're gonna have you're going to have, you know, Quinn, cook, who was, you know, Quinn cook is not as good as a Fred. Vanfleet terms of knocking down shots and understanding his role. So the bench of the warriors really got exposed look. I think today you sit here in Vegas is telling you, the Lakers are favourite some of it's because of Anthony Davis and the respect he has some is because the rest of the league sees that the warriors are going to be down for at least a year and may take more than that more than that to recover. What's Anthony Davis has reputation? He does everything really. Well, yes, I don't know if he he's not a great shooters ball spins kinda sideways. But he's become a decent three point shooter, but outside of that, you know, he grew up as a guard, and then grew into this incredible body. He can defend positions one through five. He's a good defender. Oh, it's, it's a great match for LeBron because LeBron is not nearly the defender. He used to be right. And, and like the criticism at times of Anthony Davis in the play offs was there were times in which you could take him away and he would disappear and that's okay with LeBron because the bronze going to dominate the basketball and get him open shots. I think it should be a good fit. I'm not sure it's a perfect fit because he's not really a catch and shoot. Chris boss, jump shooter, but he's a spectacular talent that can really help you at both ends of the floor. And as we've seen from both ends of the floor players, the bra you mentioned K, D, even, even Yoenis who lacks the jump shot, but you got to be able to play both ends to be considered one of the top five players in the game. Not many, not many bigs all time you trust at the line with four minutes left. And Anthony, I think he's almost an eighty percent free throw shooter. Did you hear the status of crazy status? A total aside. Did you see the stat Steph curry swishes eighty four percent of his free throws? That it's it I'm not saying, makes you know, and I, I've heard so many people like, well, he's all of nine in NBA finals games. I think it's a little bit of indictment of the shots. He takes Iki continue takes deep three point shots, suppose. Lebrons bow to get to the rim. But anyone says, like, well, he's not clutch, like I saw against Houston, make eight straight free throws, and none of them touched the rim to win that series. Right. So I eventually, look staff is going to need help you need somebody that plays both ends. He's an incredible player, but I've never the eighty four percent of free throws that don't hit the rim is the craziest out of ever heard about it is funny this, I said, before we let Doug Gottlieb, go. He's gotta show after ours here in forty minutes, forty five minutes. It is interesting about coli so Kevin. I don't understand. Kevin Durant going to New York less money lousy roster. Kooky owner, I don't get it. There is this. Oh, but if he can win in New York. Then he'll change the narrative, what's funny is collide. Just one in Toronto would no other star. We don't think he's Michael Jordan. It's like we think co is great, but I bet you by next year. We're not calling him the best player in the league like did Colli winning without a star massively changed the narrative on him. I think it did you? Yeah, I used to come on your show and say he was the third best player in the NBA NF, I said, considering Kevin Durant towards achilles tendon. So we don't know what he'll be like winning. I think Kevin ran actually has the best chance to be close to himself because I don't think though he's explosive for a seven footer. That's not like totally his game. So I think he can get back to being close to. But if Kevin not healthy. And we both agreed LeBron James is not what he used to be sixteen years, also LeBron kind of acknowledged I'm not gonna play much on the defensive end. Right. But even the brunt even at his best like quite Leonard probably the best player in league. And I, we'd never had that discussion before ever did we? So it did. It did change. And when you win you win a championship in San Antonio. Then you go to Toronto, couldn't was it helped out by LeBron not being east. Sure, sure. And was it helped out by a very fortunate role of a three point shot in the corner against the seventy Sixers? Sure. But he made that shot he made all the place. And look he didn't score point the fourth quarter of the deciding game six until point nine seconds to go, so but he was the MVP because he defends a both ends. He's a great player. I don't think he's I mean I now Katy hurt up kind of by default. He becomes the best parent league. But we never had that discussion before the whole Katie thing was a search for respect, and then he finally got it, and now he's going to lead a weird way, the injury not playing got him the respect which is oh God, they really do. Miss him here that, that combined with is. They're playing the clippers the first two games people like, hey, how come you're not people miss that the end of the season. He was trying to move the ball. He wasn't shooting that much. He wasn't playing that many minutes. And then the first two games the clippers and they're like, hey, dude. How come you're not? Scoring all the time. Like, oh, you only score on time. Okay. Let's go all the time. And he and then he was like the death star. They press the button, it loaded up and it's like bam. Bam, bam. Bam. Like oh, oh, yeah. He can score anytime he wants. Yeah. Dugout lead. The Doug good scene. You buddy enjoy, whitewater rafting, make sure you wear protective clothing. 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"Saddam show here on ESPN LA. Thanks Byron for hanging out, of course. Cut Morrison here. Thank you, sir. Hanging out on a Friday. All good, man. All with us to subscribe on Monday. I got the station vehicle. I will be in spirit. Okay. You wanna come gamble? I'm glad you got the spin. I'm glad you got the vehicle though. The my car had to put you on you and thinking about that. Oh, you excellent mango grand vehicle. Thank you that that ESPN seventeen. Mike now mean here on Sunday at some point then we'll drive out this above. Yeah. See I seen that SUV a couple times where we've done where we we were at what casino was that endured in the beginning HAMAs that commerce commerce you coming out of the car. No. Freeway. Man. I I don't know, man. You know, I got the little one at home, you know, four month. Oh, you know, if I if I six months ago, I know, but see, you know. I'll never play date. Exactly. Coming to be one thing. Yeah. It's tough. You know, you want to save those passes for another day. No don't. You know what I mean? We ain't even when even at the summer yet. Yes. Saved them pass over. Yeah. But we will be out of Abobo from three to six on Monday. Mike, and I'll be there hanging out with watch the game for a little bit. So come hang out if you are in the sand Hocine toe area or maybe riverside or San Bernardino county in that general region. Come by say, Hello. We'll be there from three to six show some desert love exactly so Ramona broke yesterday Momo that Lonzo ball and his agent Harrison gains have split amicably. This has nothing to do with the big baller brand thing and Alan foster and the due to allegedly stole money for them. And whatever this is just like a, you know, it happens. You are professional athlete. Right. You've had maybe you had more than one agent. Not stuck with same guy styles guy too. But I I've seen people that right bounds. And that's cool. I get it. It's a personal thing right now. So when I saw that I'm like, okay. He wants a clean slate. He's got rid of the triple beat tattoo. He's. He's kinda pushing that aside he's not letting lavar run the show anymore. Maybe he's taking even more control of his own situation. And I was like good for Lonzo. And then Chris Haines of Yahoo reports today. That even though it seemed that Lonzo ball was taking control of his career by shaking, the grip of his father, lavar and ridding himself of a business partner who allegedly stole millions of dollars from him. It appears to be only half truth. Kirk morrison. The plan was for Lonzo ball to become his oh, man. But lavar has reemerged as the shock collar. Hey, go and orchestrating his son's next pivotal move. According to yahu sports, lavar boss since met with a few NBA agents and his son on his son's behalf, excuse me. And see as you to be the favourite to gain control the point guards career, but there are concerns from respective agents with the Vars involvement, and where the family stands financially with the failed big baller brand in the process of vetting candidates during these meetings, lavar is enquiring agencies that have the power to pair his three sons Lonzo liangelo and lamelo on the same NBA team. Now. Listen, man. This was a thing right for a minute. And may right out of the gate. I remember I'm having these conversations. Okay. And I like, lavar. Okay. And I like Lonzo and the kids are cool. You know what? I mean like the minute here. They're nice kids. Lavar is cool. But this dream ages ain't going to happen. Because even when Lee liangelo was in high school, you know, it was like at best. He's a guy who you know, he could play college. Right. You know, but he's not an NBA player. And this is kind of a thing again. And I don't know what lamelo is. I don't know. I don't watch his games in Ohio. I don't know how good he is there. He doesn't seem like he has college eligibility either. I guess that might be the case don't quote me on that. So it's a weird scenario, and we are back to lavar being in charge after we all thought Lonzo taking control. Yeah. We we're going to see how this thing plays out. Obviously Lonzo wants to go in one direction. And maybe his dad wants to go in another direction. Maybe that is the case and his dad talking loud again. Right. You know? And you know, I think lavar is always a guy that no matter what the the house can be burning. He's gonna tell you. Everything's fine. Right. You know what? I mean. That's just his personality when you know, he probably hadn't talked to his son in a couple of days, or whatever we good over here. We fought right. We all this. How we do. It is how we conduct business. We all family we still here. But I think deep down he's trying to again maneuver a situation involving Lonzo right and incorporating liangelo and lamelo again again. Like those two guys their careers are Dover. Like like, the your process. I mean, the what you envision has blown up in front of your face. You know, there's. I would say the younger one lamelo should be. I'm not calling them him. But he should be. You know, a McDonald's all American. He should be Jordan brand threat. You know, exclusive guy in terms of going to these basketball can't, and he can I while he can't second of all he's missed out on all these opportunities because his dad wanted him to play up and he wanted to be better. They lost out on it. And there is not an agent that has that kind of power. I'm sorry. I I don't know what agent you can you can find George you've talked to agents in the NBA. There's no agent has the power to get all. Due long the same team, let alone I mean in the NBA or like a G league roster. Maybe but like on the same team already saw jello last year in the NBA Combi, and it wasn't pretty it wasn't good. He had his private workouts, and it wouldn't heating the of the G league. Obviously wouldn't do his own thing. But I man that's shipped in sale. Brother this go this over with. Let's go to K J who wants to chime it was up K J doing, man. I really appreciate you taking my call as a father with sons with athletes, I really believe the VAR has to just stay in his lane because he he sabotage and his sons careers, and he's causing fear in all owners that don't even want to deal with a make him toxic. And it's kinda sad because you help your son's get to this level since they were sakes, and then you turn around and throw him off the bridge with just with your antics. So I really take he should just back up and just let let their skills take them where they. You need to go. I listen, I'm with you one hundred percent, man. Like, I it's one of these deals where at some point or another you gotta let them your kids fly on their own. You know what I mean? And you know, Kirk you talked about it. Right. Like you grow up in the bay area. You would school in San Diego. Yup. Right. So, you know, you're not that far for your your away or noth- freight to learn how to do laundry to learn how to go grab a meal to learn how to figure out how to get to the mall figure out, you know, just socialize with people outside of my own family. You know what? I mean. It's it. It takes time. Whether it was even if it was just one year way, right? Lonzo never spent that time away. Right. He grew up there. And he grew up in Los Angeles area jail. Whatever you wanna have you wanna say Chino's, not LA county is still it's part of southern California not far from where he went to college it then he's drafted to his hometown team the Lakers. So to me, he's never really had a chance. To be on his own, right? Like be on his own. I think that's part of this. What this summer's all about to George wit LeBrun? The bronze has to embrace these kids even more than he did last year. Last year was like I'm coming out. We're going to work out this year is like daddy. Lebron? Yeah. He's gonna jump. Lebron you gotta put double hooks around these guys, and they got to be involved. Not with just the the the the workouts. But the mindset of what he's players need to go, by the way, LeBron did speak to Aleka fan spectrum sports. We'll have that for you coming up in just a few minutes. What makes you stick around for that? You're gonna want to listen to an end Kobe Kobe saying some things about LeBron you definitely gonna want to hear that. So stick around for all that stuff and just a sec, but Bill isn't seal beach what Bill. Hey, guys. Here's my question on if you're an NBA GM right now that Lakers say lonzo's available is is he even a second round pick. Well, the Spurs didn't even want him. When they were the stuff was on for a minute. Like, the talks were on for a minute. I mean Papa not not him and not because of the kid, but just didn't want to deal with the debt, and I think to your point curtain that plays a role cage as the caller earlier, he's scaring owners away and they've seen what they did to magic. Look. We don't want that. Right. And that's magic, you know this segment presented by alignment health plan. Changing health care one person at a time coming up next. We'll hear from LeBron. We'll hear from Kobe. You're going to want to listen to a both add to say about the way this season went down. That's coming up in just a moment. Cut Morrison hanging out Sodano show back at four minutes. Sit down show here on ESPN LA Kirk Morrison hanging out with us. Our guest co host today. Got about thirty minutes here before we get to the Toyota countdown to tip off Lakers clippers so hallway series. I know. So before we get to LeBron and what he said to spectrum and Kobe and what he said about LeBron. What do you think the ceiling is for the clippers this season right now before we get to the free? Just like right now if they were like right now, we look at the matchups where are they right now? They the sixty six so if they are look at it real quick. Yeah. They're the six they play against I believe Houston. They play using they're done. Yeah. They went. Yep. They essentially have to get beat by what thirty plus the other day their game and a half on Utah that seems kind of tough at this point. But the rockets and blazers are only half game behind each other. Right. So that could flip if they get Portland they can win the series because Portland doesn't have McCollum in the first round. And clearly we saw having to Norwich. Yeah. I think they're they're ceiling is to get to a seven game series in route one. Yeah, they can just even make it competitive happy with that. And if they win one they're over and just bombing them making the playoffs. We are you know, they've overachieved right here, but to win and get to at least I think a seven game possibly winning the first round matchup. I mean, that's that's huge for them. And that's something that you can sell going into the offseason into the summer free agency. They look this is where we are. Now when you come here, we feel like we're at NBA finals contender, right? Not not just a playoff contender. We've done that. We think that you can elevate us to an NBA finals type of content. Plug Colli on that team right now. Yeah. He's a lot in Patrick. Beverley they're they're Zahren top foresees. Yeah. I agree. No. I agree with you. They play they play tough. They play hard nose. They play defense. They do a lot. So I you know, they increased the scoring. It's definitely different Mike. Oh there shaking his head. Not in like that. They're not but shaking his head like, man. Yeah. They might be good. I just see, you know, the billboards coli versus LeBron who city it is. And things like that. It's just amazing. How far they've come. They've won't air in the playoff to set themselves up nicely playoffs in. We can just put them down. Like if you put the Lakers roster and the clippers roster side by side. You say there's no way that this roster of the clippers is better than the roster that the Lakers got no way. There's no way I had them in the playoffs. Though clips I did Adam is the AC file in players agents free agency free agents are raving about the front office of the clippers right show. Doc was yelling and screaming when they did that champagne celebration he's purchased odor. Three words, not me, doc judges. And I was I bet it was one of my bets who've Sadun open everybody else. Right. Yeah. I bet you that the clippers would be in the playoffs, and he told me no I now I did have the Spurs out of the playoffs. The Spurs fans have not let me forget that. You you were speaking. Batum Spurs me man, I had them early in the season. And they were terrible. And and by the way, but it's telling me they were terrible to on defense the spur way man, just like the patriot way at the end of the day. It's. A culture. It is a pop then he gave me the okeydoke. I think this probably what he did. But also to teams how teams get better just like you told me Sacramento was gonna fizzle out. Now, they did visit Houston, you know, finally cut their stride. And they like the scariest team in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I did I did get her on that Spurs thing. Spurs fans will never let me forget. That'd be fun. It's okay. Listen, man. Had a good year with the Spurs. Right. Pop to laugh. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Bob. Did this Gregg Popovich of the San Antonio Spurs a lot of emotion, obviously tonight with demars return. How do you be least performed in the first quarter? He's done. Well, I feel like I've come out ahead here. Do you want to send it on this one? I was looking forward to a second question. Okay. But we can do that. Derek Whyte has played for the first time in a while. How do you how close did you monitor as minutes? Pretty close that you. Appreciate it. Good fun. Yeah. No doubt. Same. Here's good luck. Back to you guys. I got him to laugh, man. That's all I'm saying, those are some thoughtful questions that didn't involve, you know. Like what's go to play on the court? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like those are questions that you know, like he has to answer those. I mean, right. He had to answer. The first thing about the way you worded them. Right. Why you weren't him to a point where it's like there has to be a word, right? Yes. Because it's you're asking who what? When where why? Correct. That's if you do that, you will get more than one word. Now, he only gave me two words or three words, but he's still gave me more than a word. Now, George, I know you're good at this. But we opossums a little sweaty. I was a little nervous. I have not been nervous other than the first one. I ever did. You know, the first time you ever do anything your little nervous to me. But I was very lucky. The first game. I did actually was back. It was clippers rockets a couple years ago. So I was very lucky to my first game where two coaches that are very easy to deal with. And I remember talking to dock in the game and saying are actually shoot around and say, oh, it was my first time gotta be easy on me his dark, and I'm not pop and and then I didn't Tony who is very easy to. But I was I was I, but you know, what? When it went. Well that was my game plan though. I was like I'm I'm gonna cut him off at the pass and see what happens. Yeah. My my my opens are the one that gets my palm sweaty. Oh, yeah. After the open. I mean, I'm ready for the Bronco. No. You watch it on the TV building. They have the what we call. We're going to let you behind the curtain here real quick before we get to the LeBron Kobe sandwich, which we promise we'll get you here in just a few moments. We have the open channel here at ESPN were Houston to live life. You know what I'm saying? So if you watch me doing the live feed, man, listen, I'm there like I'm at the bottom, so comfortable doing this. Now, I'm like, you know, the play music in the background. I'm head bobbing. My thing right before the hitting. They're like, all right, ten seconds. And then I get ready. Get in position. I mean, when they say we tape an open as cool because like live I've been bothered you when you own Cameron and soon as you say, you're off is different. It's different. When you're doing a show. We wanna show you've already got your you know, what you're going to say right thought. I'll, but it's like you got I get into lack. My Brock got to be quick, boom. Yeah. Well, listen, I get it as a sideline reporter, you only get like thirty forty seconds tops. So you don't got much time to say what you gotta say Patrick Sweeney. Tweet says this clippers talk is nuts. They've never made it past the second round. They're making fat mean not saying they're getting has the second round here. Either though, we just saying that what they're doing is over achieving. That's that's that's we're giving him credit for over achieving this year. And that's not fair to say because it's a whole different team. Sure. And they actually are more of a team actually, I so we'll get we'll do the LeBron thing here because. We actually what do you want to do the year? Do we wanna break at fifty five or I'm in studio. So we might as well do the regular clog. Right. So I I I know I lied to you a lot on these things. But I swear to God. I swear on anything you want me to swear it. We are going to do the Kobe. Lebron thing on the other side. The Brian spoke to spectrum Koby spoke about LeBron on Sirius XM will have the audio for you. We'll discuss it because we gotta get ready for the to Camden tip off tell Mike we better be ready at five fifty five though, he's got five minutes to do non basketball with Kirk Morrison because if not Amanda is going to you know, what? Throw a shoe at him. So he's got five minutes. We'll tell them be right. If he wants to do non basketball five fifty five hull. Yeah. Yeah. You heard me. Right. So we'll take a break. We'll let you hear what Kobe said about the you definitely want to hear that. Lebron said about the way the season went to spectrum coming up next and show you the so right behind your shoulder Georgie SPN to the final women's final four number two Oregon land against number one Baylor right now to go. I've minutes ago, Oregon with a one point lead over Baylor. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Everybody's thinking it's going to be a Baylor versus Yukon final, by the way, you kind of two seed in the women's bracket. Right. But they're still balling off still ball. So let's get to this. Lebron sound and just Kobe Sam. Yup. I so. Oh, and by the way, after this you got to tell people this if you're alert we've got parents so hold onto that in a second. Here's what the bronze said he interviewed did interview a sit down with Allie Clifton who's great on spectrum sports, and by Aaliyah's gonna come in here in a couple of weeks. She's going to come in here and hang out with us. A couple of weeks to be one of the guest co hosts because they really much going on as far as wise. Right. And you know, alley is a she was a division one college basketball player. Yeah. Like she knows. Yeah. Basketball. You know, basically, it's. Lakers access. They live with the Lakers all night access. What's the what's the name of the show is I don't watch it when there's no games all access Lakers. Don't watch very much at the channel Lakers ain't going to be on until the lottery. So Allie sat down with LeBron alley. He's got a relationship with a Brian. Allie was in Cleveland with the Brunton. She's fantastic. And she asked the right questions as I expected from her and anyone who's gonna sit down with LeBron. She did a phenomenal job. And here's alley with LeBron James on spectrum sports and asking him on why he came here in the first place, and how the fans should feel about the way. This thing went down this year. I wouldn't came here. If I didn't believe that this franchise is all about winning and trying to do it every day and be come a sustainable franchise. That's what this is all about. I mean, we see these trophies right here. We see these banners. We go to Staples Center. We see the banners. We see auto former grace played his game. So something. Things that's known don't even need to be saved. And I believe genie Linda and magic, and rob and everybody that has anything to do with this organization that people buy these cameras over here. This is what it's about. And it's absolutely fair. That are fans field the way they feel because when you when you are a Los Angeles Laker, and you've done a thing that you've done over. The course of time of being a part of this organization all the way from Minneapolis all the way to Los Angeles. That's how it should be. It's like we're compete for championship. Or we win and championships. And I love that. That's why I'm here because I want to be one that can add to this room here. And hopefully, add to the banners of individuals to help bring greatness to the city now that sounds cool, and it's not really relevant Tori by any stretch of the imagination. But. I think all that stuff should have been said. But I think you Kirk pointed out, very stupidly something earlier about the timing of this. I mean, when you listen to that, I I'm closing my eyes. And I'm saying isn't this a introductory press conference by LeBron everything that he's saying is what I wanted to hear back in July. I wanted to hear him say those things I wouldn't have come here. If I didn't believe this. I wouldn't have done this. Because now all you're donors regurgitating what you should have said in the beginning. Because right now, I would rather you say look this year didn't go the way that I wanted to go. And I know what these fans expect from me in this organization. I'm not going to put blame on a lot of things. But some things happen this season. We're out of my control in terms of something that never happened in my career, which is an extended missing of time. I've learned more about myself, and I know what I need to attack this off season as well. As the organization, I know that they have a plan in place. Right. So that's what I wanted to hear more. So in this interview than what he said right now. So he was asked about -tracting players to LA by Allie Clifton and years. What is that? I'm looking forward to seeing who jumped in the car with me, I want to take these ride. Top. I know what I bring to the game. I know my commitment to the game. I've never cheated a game. And throughout my career is always given back to me. And that doesn't say I'm not saying, I'm guaranteeing championship. But I am guaranteeing my body. I'm guaranteeing. My mind will be an always being championship. My set until I'm done show. That's basically one of those come ride with me. This isn't about just making movies and all that stuff already taken over. I'm just asking me. He said come take a ride with me is it is he saying, hey, could you pick me up or to come pick you up because it's all for me. Putting it in perspective. What kind of LeBron are we getting are? We getting the LeBron has has an override and be out front and come ride with me, or it's hey, I wanna dry I wanna ride shotgun. I want you to drive this thing because it's all about perspective. And he goes about this off season. You're not recruiting guys to come here. And be your secondhand. You're recruiting the guy that's supposed to come take the Manto after you leave the organized thing. It depends on who that guy is very true. I I get that part. If it if the Anthony Davis deal, which never was as close as we thought it was over if that deal would have happened. My understanding is that LeBron was willing to pass the torch to him that he's got. I don't know if Jimmy Butler is that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like if it ends up being Jimmy Butler is what I'm saying. So I think it depends on who that person is. Right. I agree with you. It's why you know, then that's yeah. That's a person you passed the torch to only twenty six years old. You know, he's gonna be he's nine years younger almost than eight nine years younger. But yeah, you know, univ- k D's only thirty you know, I think that there could be that. But I don't think those guys are happening is not on my point. So it kind of just depends on how this all works at self out. So that's what LeBron set then Coby was on Sirius XM, and he was asked about LeBron and how this season went and he had some comments. And I thought he was very forthcoming as Kobe always is and very down to the point blunt real, and yeah, kept it real but threw a little wrench into this by talking about maybe something LeBron was surprised by. But he knows I know injuries decimated the team. Just relax relax come back next season regroup, right? I think he has he has enough poison understand. That the thing that maybe caught them off guard was just the market like, you know, like I said fancier don't play like like, I know 'cause like I was dealing with. When I had, you know, smush those guys which was guys I'm looking around like, dude. She want me to do. And as like, it's your fault for major it out. Like, you gotta we don't wanna hear that. We need a championship the buck stops, which you figure it out. And that's that's what L A L A don't play man in. He bring the best out of their players. He's right. But he did I do think LeBron got surprised by the market. And what I mean by that. Is this just that reaction like, hey, man? They don't care that you know, you playing with Rondo and jail, and Lance, and they expect that least the playoffs. They don't care about injury. Right. And I think some of the stuff that I don't know if you were here that day when we talked about it. I know Ramon and Clinton gates were in here that day, but we talked about and Marc spears, and we talked about just kind of LeBron Utah introductory press conference. Not having that. Right. I think that was a little bit of a mistake not reading the room. Right, right. You know, when it comes here because that's an important thing here in New York. It's important. Yes. In LA, those things are important, right? Like certain cities. That's you got to do that. Right. And I think that he because he did one when he went to Miami. He didn't do anything back to Cleveland, Bill Plaski. Right. That's what we're talking about. Howard blue Bill talked about it. Right. But he didn't do when he went back to Cleveland, you know, but he didn't want. It went down to south beach. So I think he misread the room there. I think that his lack of injection into the community beyond the Hollywood stuff. Right. I think it was a miscalculation. And if I would sit down with his guys, I would say that to them and be like, I think you should do more community stuff. Like, you had the one pizza thing. But then he didn't show up. Right. Right. Right. Those kind of things are some miscalculations. And he's been kinda surprised by some of that too. Because it doesn't feel like he's now if he was like he's trying to connect right here. Those are statements that sound like someone who's trying to connect it took a year. You know, I it for him to really get figure out. Okay. What is going on here, especially if this is going to be the place, then I think now remember that his kids who are going to school here. He's going to have to have more roots down in here. Like when your kids are going to school now in Los Angeles. Right. You're going to have to be out more in the community gets. Remember, I will give him a little. I won't give him and push back on this. But you'll last year he made a decision, and I don't think he had the time to put that down. You know, what I mean like ingratiating stuff to the community? I don't think he ever had the time this summer, plenty of time. Oh, you got. Yeah. I got time today. Yeah. Kirk. Stick around Michael is going to join us for a couple of minutes because we're gonna give him a couple of minutes actually, talk about something. That's not Lakers basketball. And I'm sure he's going to enjoy that. All right, so Mt is going to join us next for a couple of minutes before we get into the pre-game. Kirk Morrison hanging out sit down and show ESPN LA. Sodano show here on ESPN LA was wonder source with us our doors. I gotta let you into Alvis a little bit late, by the way. Okay. Just a little bit late. I didn't notice you us know. Only because it Trump is here in LA. Oh, yes. So traffic is a little bit crazy around Los. And that's why it took me a little longer to. Yeah. Just a little bit longer. I had it all time. Don, I'm like, man. I put him, you know, my, you know, my app, and I'm like, I'm usually takes me, you know, certain amount of time to get here. And it had an extra twenty minutes on them. I I what's going on. So I just got the tech from my wife. That's why she was like if you're wondering why was so much traffic. Right. There's Trump is here and so driving around everybody just be aware to the president is in Los Angeles. The president's actually joining his right now. I thought right. He's not there yet. You know, what mtm in listen, I gave you the opportunity to talk non Laker basketball. He's always talking about don't get the chance to talk about other stuff anymore. And here's his chance already lobbying lobbying for your clippers job or something. Maybe cross the street. You know, I mean, maybe he's talking to doc. Who knows you know, what I'm saying Kirk? You also wanted to shout out the. What's happening for those people who have kids, right or babies, particularly there's a apparently a recall or some sort of shorted just Fisher Price is warning. Parents after ten babies have died in the rock and play. That's crazy. Yes. Officiers parents seems like it has one of those the rock and play. It has like the little thing on the side. It kind of vibrates it. You can take the downside. Oh, yeah. So it says Fisher Price in federal regulators say that babies have managed to roll onto their backs or sides while unrestrained in this sleeper, the babies were all three months or odor and the deaths date back to two thousand fifteen with the most recent taking place last month. So the sleeper hasn't been recalled as Fisher Price says it's still meets international safety standards, but his intended for babies three months and younger who can't roll over on their own. So because the amount of suffocated or yes. Absolutely. So this once they get three months or older. Okay. Just get rid of it. I guess just give. That alert that's out there right now. Okay. Yes. So parents make sure you know, if you've got a young baby or an older, baby. Don't do that. Live from Staples getting held me back in the studio yet. Yeah. Was anybody there, George you're you're always playing me? You never get a chance to talk sports other than Lakers basketball. Here's your chance. Kirk is here. Go ahead fire away Z. No, you don't know football. And he'll he'll like Columbine. What does he know? I don't know. How was that scrimmage yesterday? Let's it. Oh that well makers in the worst lesson. The news with. Didn't blow them out. You know, what the great Caruso had a great put back. That's right. I want clan. Steph about him before the game. I said they'll Caruso, you looked like Kobe Caruso out there. Kobe Caruso, doesn't you call it like all right? What's up? Mt. What else going? Oh, man. You are you watching the final four this weekend. I I was just watching it the women the Oregon. Oh my God. I was a great game. All the way down. I think she should have shot the three she hesitated. And it went in for the two she should won with. They're saying Michael for to win your into women's basketball too. I love women's back. I love I love sports when the one and done scenario in play because it means everything I love moments of high stress to see how people react and those environment show. Michael your opinion of the only feminists over there because facade Georgia's island sports watching the women's final four and one of my friends calls it. I mean is a very good friend of mine. But yeah, I mean, I'll watch it. If the games close at the end in the chamber. Of game. But this was a close game. When I was doing a radio show in. It's behind me. I'm watching the Boston game in Indiana. If Duke and north Donald played you look over your shoulder. Wouldn't you know, I'd have the game on in front of me? But is Michael as you know, I have thirty seven jobs, including one of them being an NBA sideline reporter, and I may get the Boston Indiana series. So I'm watching that game Boston, Indiana. That'll be a four-game sweep the Celtics winning four. Yeah. Kyri is going to go crazy in the playoffs. He'll take them out. They got nobody to deal with him. So you don't have a football question. Why are you ain't Kyla Murray? Michael wants to know exactly why don't you oppress after heist spot after the year? He put up last year. He looks like another of a cross between Russell Westbrook. Russell Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield. But yet, you're not you're Keyshawn Johnson. You're not impressed. No, we're impress Michael. But we say taking him with the one overall pick knowing I got other things that I need to get taken care of MIT position at all of team sports. You could say that with the ran when they drafted a guy like Jared Goff. And you say, oh, my God this team is bad. But then they get a anew coach. And all of a sudden, Jerry golf has been a two time pro bowler. Josh Rosen did not have the right situation. Senate for him last year in terms of his coaching staff. They hired defensive coach Steve Wilks offense coordinator, Mike McCoy who was fired after a couple of weeks into the season. And they had it was a mess last year you bring in cliff Kingsbury, and I really believe that the way. This thing is kind of playing out a little bit you keep they can get the best football player bailable, and maybe even trae back and still have a quarterback Josh Rosen. There you go. I like defensive you need them exactly have a quarterback who can get rid of one a two point five seven. Josh. Guys like Joey Bosa are basically rented mute input on. So you don't want to say about Nick Bosa? His brother may pick number one overall teaming up with when the best defensive ends in Chandler Jones. Michael now, you've got a formidable defense in front of you. And then you've got a quarterback Josh Rosen and member David Johnson who was one of the best backs in the NFL a couple years ago is right there behind you will have to give up anything, Mike. Let a playmate who could beat you with his arm his head and his legs. Not even better. He's not Russell Wilson. Oh, I think he's he's not he's no. He's nowhere near the size of the body. He's not even close. I'm telling not even close throw as good as Russell Wilson. No, no, Russell's Russell was special. I watched it Oklahoma. My eyes were deceiving me. It's the system in. Yeah. Wait a minute. You can pay any systems still gonna put the ball in the receive his hands. Russell Wilson was still drafted in the third even the NFL even NFL people worked all the way solely on that day. We're holding his size against that. You know that Kirk? I'm still holding the size against a guy like Holloway. Go. I might go. Michael hurt. That's still like, Michael we're on Laker time. Now, that's it turned. Thank you for hanging out. Joy, I might go back at sixty seconds here because we got to pay the bills with the open to the Lakers pre game.

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Bandz Test

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Bandz Test

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Mason and Ireland HOUR ONE

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland HOUR ONE

"Now that is not true. How do you know you haven't challenged Johnson three pointers dies as more threes than I do? He's made a little more lately. We're just talking about such a great game us right between Milwaukee. Remember, Steve when we used to be involved with games like that. I was walking to the game yesterday. And I walked by the Ritz Carlton Mary ad. Ellie live will stay. There was a giant line of people outside the entrance. Just to get a glimpse of the warriors leaving the hotel and walking to the bus. And I said to myself that used to be us other so weird. So they take a bus from the Ritz to the game. Yes. Even though it's like because they don't have enough security to keep an eye on everybody walked out across the street. Like, Tim, ROY the guy who does what I do just walks across the street. Now, do they the fans that gather around are they trying to get autographs AR, but no one ever snow is us. And so they're back kouzmines stopped this last trip somebody yelled at coups, many still really with those people those autograph hounds are doing is. They're getting somebody to sign something. Then it's on EBay, ten minutes later. Right. And but but Michael still thinks that players should stop and sign. He says magic he's to stop and sign for everybody. But even though they know that it's going to wind up like Brian. Ranson told me that he's not signing any more autographs because what happened was as soon as they signed a picture of Heisenberg, it would wind up on EBay ten days later. So he said, I'm not doing it anymore. I'll take so fees with you all day long yet. I won't sign anything. Jerry Seinfeld won't even take selfie. And what he does it really throws people off especially people like you who who believe that. If there's not a picture it didn't happen. They will say, Jerry Seinfeld. Will you take a selfie? He says, no. But I'll have a conversation with which is great and people don't know what to do. Yeah. And while you sign. No, we we were when we went to see cranston's play. We went backstage Seinfeld. Was there? And I found him to be a really nice guy. But also so intimidating to me because I've watched them on TV for so long that I didn't exactly know what to say Dell. And I went to one year we checked into the hotel in San Antonio and right next to the hotel. There's a theater, right? And it said on the marquee one night only, Jerry Seinfeld, so Trudell, and I went on seatgeek and bought two tickets and went in and watched and he killed for an hour and a half. And never swore. No one time top of that. Jerry does not do topical mentor. Like, he's not going to go in and do a bunch of Trump jokes driving jokes about life. Really really really really tough to do. He is you know, he's part of he's he's one of the I'd say one of the top five comics of all time. Without question. All right. So last night, we should we should circle the highlights that we have Alex Caruso continues to ignite the Lakers to the great currency interest. Here is a great moment for him or KC kicks it to Rondo three pointer. They may got a piece of that. No good. Jim from the left corner. Where did he come from Michael apprise the wars? He sucked the warriors shop dove. Everybody going to Kevin Durant. Don't why won a follow by Alex Caruso, nutty little Alex Caruso. Good for him. Yeah. He's been great. He's I think he's cemented his place in the NBA. Whether it be with the Lakers or somebody else. But I think he's now going to be in the league. Yeah. Well, they say playing out the strings and sometimes when you play out the strings, you find you find somebody who can really play and he's one of those guys. So if there is an upside Alex Crusoes going to be grateful someday that the Lakers drifted out of the playoff right and allowed him the time to play the the most I I don't use this word very often magnificent moment of the game was this. Here's javale with a miss and now step steals it and throws it behind the back to Iran for a breakaway dunk. Spectacular highlight play by the warriors. That was a behind the back outlet pass. That was just no look the dot. Yeah. In and hit Durant in stride, any dunk. Those are moments to me that when I see him. I'm like, oh, see Golden State's just toying with people. They've got these clubs in their bags, and they're they're going to use them when they need them. Yeah. Houston fan really well to Houston blew out the clippers by thirty five on Wednesday night in the staple center. So I wanna throw so we see the clippers tonight. But like, for example, if Houston and the clippers play in the first round, right? I don't know if the clippers won a game. Maybe maybe that goes five, but maybe that. So that's a really tough. I think what you're gonna see over these next while the season ends Wednesday. Yup. For the Lakers ends Tuesday. But I think what you're going to see over the next. Few days is jockeying for position both up and down, for example. Everyone wants to play Portland. Yes. In the first round because they have to starters injured out right now if the season ended Utah would play Portland we see Utah tomorrow night. So Utah might not necessarily wanna get to the three. They wanna stay in the four. They want to stay in the four and the clippers may wanna play if you're the clippers. Would you rather play Denver Houston? Denver guess knee too. So maybe you rest some people to try and get to the seven, but it's going to be tricky because it's so tight. It's so close like right now CNN Tonio is the is the eight right. They would imagine you wanna get out of the eight anything you can do to get out of the thoroughly half game behind the thunder. So yeah, these last games are about position. You don't believe in tanking game to change your position. When you did, you know, what you call that tempting fate messing with the basketball guys, you tempt fate when you do that you should never tempt fate. There's a case who who did that clippers one year and worked didn't work that then they drew Denny one in Denver, and they got Denver. I remember that. So it can work. But yeah, I generally think just play hard through the finish line. And why have a big problem like saying people, say don't pile know don't. Run up the score. Well, if you don't want the teen around the score play defense, right? Never have Brummett. Anybody running up the score. When Carol was a USC eastwind game seventy seven. People would say well isn't good enough to win forty nine tonight? But you know, what they would do tell the second-string that to try -actly you tell the second-string to go out and play as hard as you can. And if the score gets run up, then that's on the other side. You don't leave your starters in necessarily Pete never left his starters. And he would go to his backups in the backups were so good. They would better than the other team starters. A couple of things right now callers number seven eight eleven thirteen and sixteen. Is there any method to pattern just eight eleven thirteen? How are you thinking matters? Just pick up the phone. I miss stickler for the rules, and I go one two will actually count out one through sixteen. Yep. What what is it again? Seven eight eleven thirteen six callers number seven eight eleven thirteen and sixteen look people call what they're calling for giveaway. A bag of San call. We have got an opportunity for you to win a four pack of passes to attend to be part of the Acura grand prix of Long Beach. 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Yes, I'm pretty working in all the time. Yeah. That's my number one focused just for you in John. What what guests did you line up for today show Ramona Shelburne at one o'clock, oh, that's that's hard work was looking Momo but producing his not booking a guest that you're living proof of that. Because it's not because that's not how it should be. Well, Greg what should producing be? This should be talking about topics and hashing out how the the show should sound with you every single day memorial five minutes. Yeah. That is the biggest part of it and keeping guys in line. Keep with the reeds on time with the brakes. There's a lot more stuff. The regional was first let's go with the brakes not in line general with the Brian knowing cares about the call one other note coming up to thirty day giving away another four pack of passage Z avengers and game at the regal cinemas in LA live, April the twenty six you come out and see it in my own private screening. We're going to provide you dinner from Carl's junior. They're serving up their new charbroil bacon. Truffle Angus burger before the movie will do that at two thirty today. And if you go to my Instagram account and Venice maced, I'm also giving away a four pack of tickets. They're all right coming up next. Lonzo ball. Did you see all this? Lonzo ball stuff. Yeah. Okay. With that. Well to hear it coming. I don't I don't know. Do you? Find it interesting. Do you care who people's agents? Are I care about Jiu even know who's like people's ages such Rich Paul is? I don't care about the agent part. I care about the lavar part. The lavar part is the interesting part, and we'll get into a next Mason Ireland ESPN LA. There was hope John there was hope. The maybe Lonzo ball was going to seize the reins of his career and run his own life. But today that appears not to be the case house so explained a week ago. Harrison gains told our Ramona Shelburne Harrison gains was lonzo's I agent and a young guy. He's twenty nine says he had always been on the periphery of the ball family business. But Lonzo has empowered me to take more active role in his career yesterday. They parted ways Harrison gains has been a trusted advisor and close friend for many years. He got it may NBA career with integrity and always had my best interest at heart. That's from Ramona Shelburne so changing agents on the surface, not a big deal. But it did. This is Christine's now seemed as if Lonzo ball was taking full career full control of his career by shaking, the grip of lavar ball after ridding themselves of and by the way, you know, your dad brings in a snake to your business. A guy who spent seven years in prison was a felon to run your big baller brand peration. Your dad really didn't do his job. I think that lavar is well intentioned but completely incompetent. And the the idea that he was somehow going to say enough, I'm running my own life now dad's not running my life. That idea was there. But now they are in the process of getting agents enduring meetings. Lavar is is requiring that the agent. Try to pair his three sons Lonzo liangelo and lamelo on the same NBA team. He's looking for the agent that will do that. Now. Nobody can do that LeMay somebody will say they can. Yeah. Lamelo, I think, and I and we don't know he's playing high school ball and Ohio. I don't I mean, I don't know from high school ball and Ohio for many years. But maybe he's got an NBA future. Right. It's possible possible. Liangelo does not I think that's accurate. He you know, can probably play in Europe. Right. But why would you condition searching for an agent on getting all three brothers on the same team? I think that's you know, it's blood runs thicker than water. I think that that that lavar is hanging onto that dream. But it doesn't mean it's going to happen. And I don't think it was realistic ever assume that Lonzo is going to completely cut ties not cut the way you phrase was cut it will break away from his dad break over his own career takeovers career. Yeah. I don't know if that was ever in that why would he not at this point? Why would he why would you not like what at what point in your life? Did you take control of your career and stop relying on your parents, probably younger than most? Yeah. To me to eighteen. I was like, hey, mom, dad. See later. I'm gonna go run my life. Is Lonzo better served to have somebody other than lavar again? Well intentioned, but completely incompetent running his life. Maybe, but I don't think it's realistic. I think that lavar we did it Kobe cut ties. This is interesting because you know, Aaron Rodgers is in the news and Aaron Rodgers basically cut his family off does not speak to anyone in his family and people go back and forth into bait. Whether or not that is fair game to talk about right? You know, the words is that just gossipy TMZ stuff. Or is that does that affect Aaron Rodgers and defect the Packers and everything else. That's absolutely grew with you. I think that I think that's something. I don't think that's nothing. It's not an accident that that Aaron Rodgers doesn't get along with this coaches and doesn't get along with his family and doesn't get along with a lot of his teammates. Like, it's part of our a grander. A grander view of things. I mean Aaron Rodgers is a phenomenal quarterback. But he sounds like a Royal pain in the ass. And I don't know how to explain lavar other than when lavar shows up at events, right? When the VAR shows up at a game, there is more attention on the VAR than there is on the court this weird sideshow yet. But in a way that won't go away. Right. And I think that Lonzo because it's his dad doesn't want to cut him off. So I think he has to let me lavar be lavar, but Lonzo seems to be fine on the court. I mean like when he was on the court missed forty forty percent of the game since he started with the Lakers. That's his issue is staying healthy. But when he plays I'm actually big fan of his he, and if lavar wants to like, I think most things with lavar basically Peter out on their own like, I I think big baller brands, probably dead. Big baller. Brand is dead. I mean, the Lonzo is suing Allen foster the guy that was the co founder of the company because he highsted one point five million dollars from so how much attention should we pay too big baller brand at this point? I don't think big baller brand exists zero. Right. It's just. Lavar is is saying I won in agent. That's gonna put all three my boys on the same team. How much attention she played at. What point like Coby did should Lonzo say enough already? Can do it at any time? But to me, I think lavar eventually Peterson. I mean, I think eventually that's where we end up while you're suggests, but here's the thing. Now, whether he he does it by pulling earn Rogers and cutting off his family, which I don't think I don't think you have to cut off your fan. I I know he did. But I think you just have to say you're not running my career. You're not picking my agent. You're not linking me to my brothers. I'm not going to wear the shoes that probably caused me to sprained my ankle that made me miss the rest of the of. Yeah. I mean again, well intentioned, but incompetent, I don't know if that if that will ever happen. I think that lavar needs deeds to be done king. Don King was a necessary evil in boxing for Ali Frazier to happen for all e form to happen. Nobody wanted to deal with Bob Arum or dime king. Nobody wants to deal with lavar ball, right? But he's just kinda there, and he's just there. Yeah. But he is running the show where king now, I think he's dude. I know, but he's just he's super he's super old petered out. Yeah. But he's suit wears Bobby sales. Elderly but Bob air. Peter also elder. He's still working. He's still got fights. But those guys are old, man. Yeah. But they're still won't. I mean, I think lavar, here's all the noise. Lavar makes over there. I mean, eventually we just stop talking about. It's not the noise. He makes it's the guidance he gives I mean if you're right about this. You're the one that's putting the VAR back in the spotlight. I don't think anybody else is doing remote is doing it. In her story today, we're gonna talk to her top of the hour. What paragraph paragraph? Does lavar come up in? I I don't know I rarely about at the store. Very bottom of the story. Second last paragraph. Lavar comes up, but doesn't mention him until that there's no question that lavar has asserted his control again. Right. And I don't I think that is to lonzo's detriment. It's lavar that put him in those shoes led to that eight in his garage. Let him spraining his ankle and miss half the season. What's lavar that set up this big baller brand? With a guy who'd been in prison for seven years for male right to run the damn company. So how? How is this going to end? Why hope it's going to be Lonzo saying look you in the same way. I look at the the Lakers front office and say you need to get somebody with some experience in their right? Lonzo Schettino vers career to somebody with experience hard to do to your dad. It's hard to put your hat out in the cold not hard to put your dad out. I don't well. You seem to be talking about this possibility. I think that Lonzo just let's lavar be lavar. And unlike all lavar things end it'll end like big ball ran into deal and like Lithuania ended land like China ended. It'll end like everything the VAR does of every is a disaster. Every line you went ahead your career to somebody who turns everything into a desirer. But we've seen this movie. So many times how many times you have to see to know how it's gonna end. Yeah. But now, it's but yeah. But do you believe that lavar you're the one that brought up lavar is looking for an agent to get all three boys on the same NBA team? Is there any way on God's green earth that happens? I know it's not possible. Correct. So how does this end? But why do you want that guy running your career because he's your dad? Yeah. You don't need your dad to run your career. You can be your own man. Nobody needs that to run the unit that, but it's you know, I don't know anybody else whose dad runs career except for like Britney Spears. And now look her. And Shannon, dad's really sick. But I mean, there are people child actors had their parents running their career. Yeah. But lonzo's twenty one years old he's not a child anymore. Yeah. I think it's I'm we'll send it's fair to say that he is disappointing as a number two draft pick. Would you agree with that? I wouldn't because look who's drafted behind him. Who like now the guys in that draft like everybody miss stunt on of everybody. Would you rather have Kyle? Kuzma, Jason Tatum. Don't use Kyle Kuzma wide seeing. Those Jason Tatum Tatum watched Jason Tatum lead a team to the final. Okay. If you watch chasing Tatum this year struggled through better. I think that's a career shoe. And I don't agree the kouzmines better. Okay. Any circumstance that whose mission thirty percent from three. He's nother both hurt now. But the the, but I don't think you can say Kouzmin Tatum hit him in the same breath. All you easily. Can I didn't see look Jason Tatum? Led the Celtics to the finals last year. Did he yes he did? Do you think? That was the star of that team. Who was the star of the team? It wasn't Jalen Brown. No. I think that that team was a collective, but Jason Tatum was the leader of that team. And I say. Your day out. He's taking a big step back. You need to look at his numbers this year. But I think you'd be I think it is numbers compared to Koos we'll do next. I think you're being a Homer here. But we'll do Bella while take coups out of it take anybody that that was taken after Jason Tatum. Would you rather deer and FOX FOX there you go. Oh, I'm sorry. Jason tatum. I thought you're saying Lonzo. Yeah. I'd rather have Jason Tatum than deer and FOX rather than line. Jason Tatum anymore. I'd rather have live marketing than I think I'd rather have learned Markkanen than Lonzo ball rather. Fox over Lonzo ball. Well, you get. Here's the thing. When lonzo's healthy. He's good. It's just a matter of cane. He stay healthy. Will he stories he Sam buoy, right? Right. But as healthy tissue. All right coming up. Hey, good news for the dodgers, not just this year. But next year and the year after that and the after that, and the that you know, what I'm talking about. No, I'll tell you next Mason Ireland ESPN LA. Hey, it's Friday. It's official. That's it, and you know in front of rules around it fried. That's right. Anything's going to happen. It's t minus three Mace t minus three clippers tonight jazz Sunday Portland Tuesday. And then it's over but win so long nightmare is over in once from for some pride how about some pry clippers need this. They don't wanna sink to the eight. No. And the Lakers are benching seven guys. So it would be a huge choke job by this nightmare. No. It's not the Lakers are benching seven guys you hate that. No, they they claim. They're all hurt. They claim. Yeah. But I mean, I think it was a playoff game. Lebron would play. I don't know about Lonzo. But you would think maybe I don't think Ingram can and the ginghams Bingaman harder kind of well Ingram. I think is. Yeah. Is just out limping bad last night hard at a procedure. Yeah. So he probably wouldn't be back. So he didn't by the way is that. Can you blame somebody or something for that? Or is that just injuries happen? You're talking about the mass number of injuries. I think you have to legitimate look at the training staff. I mean, it's a mash unit at some point you have to look at the training staff. Who's who's the training staff is it stole? Governor governor is the is the strengthening conditioning coach, right? But all those it'll be interesting to see if they when if they do indeed blow at the coaching staff. Right. Most people think Alex McKechnie used to garner Gunnar. Yeah. And you know, he's got a pretty good track record. But it, but McKechnie was the man. Well, he's in Toronto in Toronto. Yeah. So, but in Toronto's actually stayed pretty healthy Toronto rests people what they they they kind of follow like white. I don't quite played in back to back the shore. The all the smart tips requesting people, you know, it's been really good in Toronto is Mark Saul Marcus has been great. Well that pass out Seattle. He's going to be the most improved Pacific. He's gonna be in the league. Yeah. And they're dig Toronto could be sneaky if they get healthy. They got Fred van fleet back who's a really good backup guard for them. But if if they stay healthy lookout with Kawai, and Lowry and Gasol and Siaka and surge of Bacchus, really good. That they're going to be a tough out for somebody. So here's here's something that I think is is really really interesting. We talk about the Lakers. Young core yell the time, you know, the the Ingram in the Kouzmin and the Josh heart in the Lonzo all that stuff. So the dodgers there's this thing called the first of all dodgers off to a five and to start there in Colorado tonight. Colorado's three and four it'll be Tyler Anderson the lefty for Colorado versus Cantu, my eighty Kanta Mehta for for the dodgers. And that means we'll see because it's a lefty we'll see David freeze and we'll see Chris Taylor out in left field most likely and kenley Jansen pitching for the first time in Colorado. The heart procedure. But I mean, he had that I guess repaired. Here are the KOTA projections for the next and I trust the Prokhoda projections there these are normally scare scary Acura. So Brandon Doolittle rights for ESPN wrote this based on twenty five men rosters. The dodgers will win ninety four games next year ninety five games in twenty twenty one. That means the next three years. The dodgers are going to be ninety. Plus when teams if they do nothing if they just stay with exactly what they've got. Because what they've done is. They've done it. Absolutely. Right. Cody Bellinger, Cory Seager Austin bar yet. Right here is all your assuming that all the young pitchers. Come come through like aureus comes through Walker Bieler comes through who my name, not young other young on. That's Phil got Goslin. Tony gone Salim, Tony because ryobi older hill will be older Kershaw viola zone even be here. Three years from now. Those guys all be either on their way out or outright Kershaw might not be here hill main little optimistic to say that if they do nothing, I guess the point is that their farm system is spectacular. That's what they've been able to do more than anybody else. When we talk about draft picks and finding the. Right players and developing the right players and finding town the Lakers. There's nobody better. Sorry. The dodgers. There's nobody better than the dodgers have been at both remaining competitive and rebuilding at the same time. You look guys when six division titles. Alex do would be a starter for most teams and major league baseball. He's fantastic. He's a role player here. Right. Austin Barnes Russell Martin catching right now Will Smith and keyboard Ruis or the guys that are coming and are going to make a huge impact. Ruis can really really hit Greg. They're they're set up like dominoes. I mean, they're just going to be great for years for years and years, and this is completely on Andrew Friedman being able to build this minor league system into what it is. And I know you're talking about how reuse getting older he's in his thirties. And so is so is hill and Kershaw, but orientation stripling and Walker? Bueller? Goslin and Dustin may and all these guys they have. In the minor league system that are all going to come up and be good pitchers. Mitchell white this is all going to be a strong pitching staff moving forward and every position is completely filled backfilled. Yeah. But all those guys are gonna hit wait a minute. The dodgers really good at got. I mean, they've got we just named six pitchers. Right. Six pitchers. You you get four of them to hit. And by the way, we're we're Suming that they do nothing else towards they which they don't trade anything. They will make moves they will get better in they'll get better. Like, for example, the trade deadline. They've left themselves just enough room to be able to make an impact move at the normally they do like last year was Machado year before that wasn't that Josh Rettig original, Josh Radin. Darvish. Yeah. Oh, you Dr. And so every year, they kind of take a big swing if they think they got a chance for I do go for it. But I, you know, one of the things I take from the dodgers is something that the Lakers should take a page from. I'll explain next. Don't forget to thirty today. Got avengers endgame tickets doing a special screening on opening day. You can come out watch movie with me in my own private theater. Grab dinner from Carl's junior. They're serving up the new charbroil bacon. Truffle Angus burger before the movie were doing that at two thirty today. Make sure you're listening Mason, Ireland ESPN Elec. All right. It's friday. You must be relieved be relieved after Tuesday after Tuesday. Yeah. Three more to go slogging away. Yeah. Glad replaying playoff games down the stretch. Oh, because you get to watch other teams like, I don't think the clippers are going to do anything place. But I dunno haven't seen him in a while seem tonight. So I don't think so. And then I'll see you won eleven out of twelve on Sunday. What's the world? Look like if they actually do get. Hey better. But I mean. Put it this way when they had in their prime. Chris Paul Blake Griffin, Indiana, Jordan, eighty right out of the second round so dot coaching them. So until they do I think that you, you know, they're hard to take seriously until they do. Yeah. I just think Jerry West gives them a different a different feel. I think it's gonna help bring in guys. Yeah. They still got to put it all together. Yeah. All right. So I was talking about the dodgers. And the one thing I've always loved about the dodgers is the Andrew Freedman in particular is that he fills up the front office like multiple times. Now, they've been front office of the major league baseball fills up the front office with very very smart people. Whether it's Josh burns whose there now or foreign Zaidi who is the as GM came down and was the dodgers EM Alexandroupolis topless. Who's now running the Braves gape Kappler who's now managed in the Phillies always always surrounded himself with Spar smart people. Now, here's what Stephen. Smith said yesterday on I'm guessing I take it would be a dish not subtraction. But I was certainly add somebody to the front office. I don't think that Magic Johnson and rob Pelinka as a combo is good enough because both novices at this. And that's not an insult. That's just fact Magic Johnson has never been president of basketball operations until he got this Lakers job. Rob Pelinka has never been a general manager for basketball team until he got this leakage job and even Kobe Bryant. Immediately tweeted upon rob link is hiring that nobody knows the business of basketball better. We also understand that relationships matter what what you nurture and cultivate matters as I reported on numerous occasions. I personally have no issue. Rob pelinka? I like them. I wish much success. We all know that Magic Johnson is my brother got mad love form. But rob Pelinka. There are people in the league who despise him to the point where I can't even throw aside. Word hate. They don't talk about him glowingly. They have a real problem with him. They don't like them in most in some instances. They've been highly reluctant to take his phone calls, which is why magic had to be involved in terms of being on the phone, particularly when it came to the issue involving Anthony Davis and the pelicans. Don't they need to do with the dodgers have done and beef up the front office? Get get different voices. Get more experienced guys in there to help make those decisions because to me great great organizations have the leader. And then a bunch of people who are throwing ideas there, mashing it out there hashing it out there providing much information and as much detail as they possibly can. So that the decision maker which in this case match Johnson. So that the decision maker has as much information as he possibly can when he comes to make a decision. Do you think the Lakers will add somebody at the front office? I don't know. I don't hate your idea. But on the other hand Steve Kerr had never been a coach and Bob Myers. Never been a GM. And the warriors are pretty good Gregg Popovich makes all the decisions in San Antonio. And they're pretty good. I mean, it depends. You know, the bottom. Is you gotta win. So since they're not winning. I think your ideas good one should consider everything. And I think especially right now, I mean just dealing with fans on Twitter, which is you know, it's Twitter. For what it's worth, but dealing with fans on Twitter. I would say there is a crisis in confidence about the Lakers front office right now, and it was really accepted by the zoo bots trait people look at that and say the signings the summer last summer, the Suba trade doesn't make any sense. It's put a magnifying glass on the front race. I think he used the phrase it was really essentially by this about straight. It's not just that. No. It's not that. It's just like it was sort of like a little exclamation point on the like, if you're really questioning it watch us trade young center for a guy that hasn't made a difference at all. Yeah. In concept. I understand what they were trying to do in practice. It didn't make any sense. Yeah. I don't know who that person would be that they would go out and get that would that would provide them with some front office expertise by I don't I gotta tell you. I don't hate your idea. I mean, there's no you know, what I'm saying. Like, it's good to have smart people around. It's good to have smart people around. To help make decisions to do all that work. I'm trying to think of who would who would fit that list because Jerry West has taken. Yeah. Jerry taken. I'm trying to think of who else out there, Pat Riley taken right? You know? So it's it's not as easy as hey, let's add somebody. You gotta add the right guy. Yeah. I mean, you guys. Yeah. You go. And you find somebody who's already in a successful. You find somebody like, and this guy's probably advanced too much in his career. But there was a moment where he would have been great somebody like Troy Weaver like who's our Troy when he has advanced by the way. Yeah, he's the executive vice president of basketball operations for the thunder thunder. But just because a lot of other people like Michael winger left. The thunder. Go run the clip right press, prestige is VP and general manager and they've given him sort of the parallel job vice president of basketball operations. So he's got he's a way to keep him right by giving him. Bigger title. Right. I think one of the questions magic doesn't make himself readily available for a lot of interviews. But I think we if in when he does one of the questions should be who do you listen to like who do you trust? Who do you who do you lean on to get advice? And I to be honest. I don't know what the answer is. Right. And I mean, the Palinka thing just sounds. I mean, Stephen said it, but we've been hearing it for a long time about rob Pelinka that there's a that that people just don't like, right. It's critical summer for those two guys for magic. And rod. They've got to produce or else then stories like that one. You just played Stephen eight telling right. Become the narrative writing to the forefront if you produce. Yeah. If they were to deliver another Ayla star. And there are several of them out. There are. Yep. I'm if they were to get one and Param with LeBron in the Lakers became a force in the west all of a sudden nobody talking about the inexperience of the front office. The fact that people don't like rob Pelinka they'd be talking about. Well, despite all odds, they got it done. But that's why they have to I trust them to get a guy like Jimmy Butler. I actually I feel like Jimmy Voller might be the guy. I don't I don't boogie. Maybe you know, somebody like that. But I don't you know, the boogie plus plant. See it's not necessarily the big name. I worry about like, I think they're going to do. I think they're going to hit one out of the park. I think they're gonna land one of those big stars. And it may be. But is that hitting it out of the park getting getting boogie or Jimmy Butler in your mind? No. But it's I think the teen -able. Yeah. The top tier guys, and there may be a trade in the works that we don't know a top tier guy right on the bubble right on the bubble. The promise hade like a top tier gets K D coli, kyri, clay, and clay who I if your name starts with a K, we'll take and Pemba is jammed on the other say if your name starts with a K you're in. It is weird that all the guy's name star with a K that we're talking about like super weird now one of those five guys and I'll put camp in the group one of those five guys, and I think is going to be all MBA. He's right what either Kimball or Klay, but not both. This is actually a really interesting thing. Because those guys both get paid mill. Millions more if they may be eight, but in my mind, five of the six spots guard spots are gone they're six there's three teams for second third team. I think the first team absolute locks harden and Steph, right? I think the second team is probably Lillard and Westbrook. Right. And I think the third team is kyri. And then either clay Kemba, Bradley Beal. You could make an argument for Ben Simmons for probably not against those three guys guys like tomorrow Roseanne. We're probably being that discussion. Right. There's one spot for all those guys because they didn't the other five or in. So the one that does get all NBA, it's pay paid. Yeah. Thanks, Charlotte will go supermax Kemba if he's all MBA Zach kind of thing. I might not her. Yeah. He may not have that Klay. We'll certainly get a superman. But if the Lakers do if the Lakers, go supermax impeach somebody like that thirty six thirty seven million dollars. Well, they can't go supermax. You got to have your own, right? But I'm saying, but but maxim for four years, right? Yeah. Four years, one, seventy whatever that is right. Then then it ties up other cap space, and you've got to talk about trading guys and doing other things to build a team. But like, for example, but like I can play because Michael is absolutely convinced letting warriors, but if it were screwed up and made a mistake in the Lakers were able to get a guy like clay. That's a perfect complement. To lebron. But again, let me let me say this because John cannot prohibited for spanning the reason I'm using clay's. An example is that Michael is ninety nine percent convinced with the warriors. Yes. So I'm just putting him out there plays that. Yes. He has a vested interest in some insight into the situa-. So, but that's the type of thing if you're a Laker fan that you don't know if something like that. Becomes available. They some other team makes a decision about their guy using the example, because I'm pretty sure staying with words if some other team that we think a guy's staying, right? And he doesn't stay then you have a very small window when you can swoop. Right. Right. So they would go in GI could see something. I mean, I'm just spitballing here. But it seems like there's a lot of heat around Jimmy Butler in the Lakers right now. And I'm wondering if there's a way to get boogie and Butler under the cap like, I don't think boogie is a max. Yeah. I'm not sure. Okay. Who he is heretical radically Butler and boogie K, theoretically since I'm not allowed to talk about players under contract. Other time I say there was a guy who went through an injury, right? A major injury up could not get a deal and basically signed for the minimum and is now available right? That's not a thirty million dollars. That's probably a twenty million player. So all the sudden my Butler and boogie plan. And by the way, that is something that I can get behind that would be the kind of plan that I could absolutely get behind. And by the way, I think they'd power great interest and how for drama with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. About a soggy Butler. Blustery will be that will be very fun. If they ended up on the same team. I don't know what he's eating. I'm just gonna run with the Butler and boogie plan. I think Butler and boogie Greg. What do you think Butler and boogie? I'm not a big fan of. I think boogie is the right just. Butler is attainable. I'm I'm not I think that everywhere that Butler has been he's been a problem Chicago, Minnesota doesn't seem like a problem in Philadelphia. Does all a lot of this also depends on how these guys do with their current teams. Right. Like if Toronto goes to the finals, then maybe Kawai isn't in the market. Yeah. And Hawaii right says I'm happy warriors run through everybody. Maybe Durant reconsiders and boogie by the by the way, the okay? That's all right judge. Give him the Heimlich. That's all you. On you Heimlich, John Heimlich him. All right Louie last night. Lot of monitoring lot of whom who's muttering. You know what I'm talking about? I think. Yeah. Yeah. But it it's almost comical they're probably talking about the day monitoring. What were they moderate? I think that this may call for Mason in Ireland theater. Yes. When we come back. Okay. Monet's coming on the show. She's not going to be Tolan thirty now. But she's definitely went she dealing with a kid or something. She's got much bigger. She's doing split your name and the other line story. Mason Ireland ESPN LA.

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Best Of (OKC issues, LeBron v. PG3, Sleeper Houston?)

"Welcome to the disputed podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip, Shannon. Let's go. The thunder season has gotten off to a rough start. They blew a sixteen point halftime lead an loss at home to the Celtics. Russell Westbrook only scored thirteen points and missed all seven of shots in the fourth quarter there now Owen four for the first time this since moving to okay, despite the slow start Westbrook still seems optimistic take a lesson. Okay. We'd be early in company. My guys not groom confident in myself, and my buddies to make sure that we have an opportunity to the ball game is no need to panic. Obviously. We we not starting to where we wanted to. We'll be okay. And I'll make sure that. So now, we're. Well, okay. See around, Shannon. No need to panic. No. Yes. I do believe they will turn it around. I'm not going to overreact after four game. This is only rough the second game back off these need surgery. But they're going to be what I thought they would be there will be somewhere around the six of the eight seat. I didn't have them in the top four seeds. So I'm not overly concerned. What what I've seen this far. The thing is you Russ is a volume shooter. And he's like the stock market when he's when he's bullish who that thing. Good when he's a bear agrees me. And last night. He was a grizzly and it's not going to go. Well for them when he doesn't when he doesn't play. Well, they can't win outside of Russ playing. Well is almost like LeBron when he was in Cleveland LeBron play will they lost ballgame especially last year. Now when they had carry Karekin have him off today, Kevin Lowe could somewhat have today, and they could carry the night. But then it got to the point where if you Lieb. Ron didn't get you thirty and eleven and whatever they were going to win the game. And that's kinda how this okay see team is. They got this other guy name, George George Paul Reynaud guy that thirty nine percent that guy and a twenty percent for three. We talk about the guy. Okay. It was too for ten from three last night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See shooting league worth thirty nine percent floor in twenty four percent for three. You're not gonna win many games like get. So, but I'm not concerned Russ's only two games back skip, they'll get better. But I didn't see them. They're going to be fighting six to eight the for that six to the eight seed. I don't think you had them. Anyhow will. Maybe you did because you love. Okay. See you love Russell Westbrook. But I have I'm more realistic to you. Russell Westbrook should've closed this deal last night. They're up sixteen in half on a very good Boston team still trying to find its way in rotation. But they're up thirteen with four fifty four left in the third quarter. And Russell shot them in the foot. It's one of his worst shooting games ever. And he is certainly capable of this because he's not a pure shooter. No he had to sort of teach himself that shot in sometimes it drops. And sometimes when it goes Southie goes way south, and so all of a sudden as you say, he's only played two games. But in the overall four games their last league field goal percentage. Three point percentage free-throw percentage. Russ was eight of sixteen from the free throw line which started struggling a little bit from the free throw line last year. He was and he just picked right up where he left off. So in the fourth quarter. He was oh for seven with three bad turnovers. And he had look after look after look down the stretch where you could win the game win the game win the game, especially forty. Five seconds left in twenty-six level. He just brick west brick. He was Russell Westbrook last night. That's know, what one of the problems that. I have with him. Skip is that when things are not going well for him. He's like a guy that the war is on. And it's overflowing. When you can stop it. If you just turn it off you like what do I do roughing just keep shooting bra you shooting shooting your team out of the game? I understand you're the best player. But after you miss two three four five but his mentality. Skip the next one's going to go in the next one's going to go in. And when the next one doesn't you look up 'cause you remember that game against the rockets in the playoffs. He was like cemetery twenty three and then he goes like one or nineteen you like Russ you shot him out of the game. And that's that's where they are. But you have this is we is he's a volume shooter. He he's not Steph curry Steph curry can take twenty shot skip in Lebanon, eight will be three and he'll make five level Russ. He's going to he he can't shoot that. He even this. The score. But he's a volume shooter to get those points guys like Katie guys like Steph guys like LeBron can get you twenty five thirty points in limited numbers shop. That's not who is now the first game against Sacramento he shot fairly. Well, what did fifteen to twenty three something like that at Sacramento made ten of Twenty-one threes and one game one thirty one to one twenty at okay, see that's not good in. This team is missing Andre Roberson who was coming back from knee surgery and had complications. And now they're saying he's going to be gone for half the year before he's right? Well, that's a big loss. And obviously last year. It was mellow is the okay three, and they don't have that anymore. And when Paul George also go south, they're not very good. Paul your goals who's gonna save LeBron? Oh. Eight indiana. No worry about O'Brien got this. I told you a complimentary stars do it as you call them. Enjoy paul. He's George Paul when they needed him last night to step up. They had the Celtics very, unburied. They just had them. And all sudden, you let him get a little life. You let him get a life. And then you know, who the guy is always makes the big shot for the Boston. Celtics, those kids, Marcus more. It's the one veteran on that squad. And he just comes in. And he took the big shot at the end in twenty eight point seven seconds left is nailed a three minute rearend nineteen. So you mean to tell me out of the time out because that's what that's what brand Stevens. Did he call timeout? Out. He Marcus Morris. Journeyman take the last shot over the guy is saying LeBron James making when did they start doing? This Bayless Marcus Morris has made a bunch. You keep telling me how Kerry saved is bacon. And you tell me they will carry take a big shot in a fourth in the field. Six game of the regular season to start to save it and after got LeBron. What did I tell you yesterday? I re- Irving. He's also coming off a second major knee surgery. And he ain't right? He does not trust his legs yet. He's still tippy toeing. What did you tell me? If you there on the core. You have told me I skip I'm thinking sometimes, you know, people don't know what you're going through because they'll shop had his ankle injected took shots to the rib on his unarmed. Iota just to get out there. But people didn't want to hear that you say they wanna see eight bowling get them. Does. They okay, you say carryover that. So I wanna know if he was the only core brands even take him out because he had surgery for no, no, he didn't. He actually my his new standards. He played pretty well made six thirteen shots. Fifteen points met a couple of shots. Late ain't going to say because it ain't none of my business. But don't look at number zero Duke. I ain't got nothing to do with this. You think he's the guy who team does? And who taught him everything, you know, how the Kobe bean Bryant all who told who knows? I had a lot of great teachers alone to win. Teach normal more skilled back in the days. And you remember Norman noble? No, no, I had him for Lance. He calculus. Ooh. And you know, we get ready to leave because he was running late. So we get ready to leave. And hey, you come have. He always come with a big load of books any dress kinda just like just all with just like you got my normal, savannah state skip. So he feels leaving. So we turn around and go back in the room. He's slam those books down on the desk. He say how dare you leave my classroom when I'm late. I can teach you more in ten minutes than any other teacher on a date, really sit down. And let's let's say shot at. After you're you always thought in the front because you know, what's sitting in front women? Thank you smart. You sit in the back. Thank you. Thank you smart Goolam graduates here real well in school. What's your line? You've major major the millage ability eligibility when I got a degree in the process. English argue, you know, what I should have been an English major like, you know, me and me and writing papers didn't do you got to write too much to be good at double major English history. You all get out of a hitter, I had history coom loud. Okay. I graduated. Thank you Laudi. Same thing. Well, you got out. Hey, guys, Johnny Taft. Hear more of the undisputed podcast is on the way. But I I wanted to tell you guys about quip one of the most important things we do for our health everyday brushing our teeth yet. Most of us don't do it properly. Luckily, there's quip a better electric toothbrush. Backed by over twenty thousand dental professionals makes quip the ideal option quip toothbrushes you've sonic vibrations. That are gentle enough or sensitive, gums and even sensitive teeth. They come with a built into minute timer that pulls his every thirty seconds to remind you when it's time to switch sides. It's perfect for me. Plus for just five dollars. 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Now, I'm not so sure skippers I mentioned earlier than Lou. Lou would have got an opportunity to have long long. Look at Rondo Rondo Lonzo Allenstein had Rondo been out. This is why quarter starting quarterbacks. Don't wanna miss a snap. You don't want to have the coach that have a look long look at your backup. And Rondo made a mistake. He built Chris Paul disrespect them, or whatever the case may be. But in his absence. We got an opportunity to see Lonzo Skippy. Twentieth. Six turnovers shooting fifty four percent from the floor forty from three eight steals had five steals last night. So he's playing the passing lanes. I don't know how you send them back to the bench. I questioned at the time of the signing. Why you siding Rhonda while you signing this kind of quality of a backup? Yeah. If you believe run Alonzo is your guy made no sense to me, it only complicated matters in my eyes. But for me, I don't see how Luke Walton can go back and sit Lonzo down to have him coming up with as well as he's played. I believe he's earn more minutes. I believe he's earned the right to be into the starting lineup. And he's growing he needs to place. Look Rondo is Rondo, but do you believe Rondo Puget or do you believe Lonzo future? That's the question and. That was the question I asked they acquired Rondo what are you doing? Where are you going with this? Because what was the key development to the game back to your trip? Double. Well, what happened last night? What was the sea change for the Lakers? Lebron basically play point guard the whole on the floor he orchestrated. He he he made it all happen with the ball in his hands. That's what he does best. He's the best point guard in basketball because he's the best passer in basketball. You know, who's in his league is a passer that kid named Lonzo on just rare gift being able to see it feel it and -ticipant it last night. I sat back tweeted this at one point you're watching to rare passers on the same team in their vibe off each other because they have such high regard for each other's passing gift envision that Lonzo loves. Lebron loves Lonzo. He does he just loves feeling and see him in sort of communicate with I contact with him. So I kept thinking what are you doing because they love Brandon Ingram last? You're running the ball up the court question with Brandon Ingram. I don't know. Because I like them the way they're playing right now. I don't want to see him upset this apple cart because apple cart is rolling in. So Rondo the best thing that could happen to this year's, Los Angeles. Lakers was that Rondo spat at three that was a turning point for everything that came after that. Because once he's gone all of a sudden it clarified. I could use the word the whole rotation clarified in Brandon Ingram out clarified. I'm not the biggest brain fan. Lebron was raving about it. Ceiling. Seriously. Do you like? Do you like Kouzmin better or branding? I like Kouzmin rest on his guts in his you know, what I liked about. Lonzo is that Lonzo can play up the ball better than I thought he could Rondo can't play the ball Rondo needs to be needs. It he wants to be the quarterback. And like you said last night LeBron with exclusively the point Lonzo as we said all last year, he's unselfish to a fault like you won't even to be an attack mode. Right. But he's more empowered with LeBron because LeBron's pulled him aside practices. I if I give you the basketball courts, you just shoot it with it or fake it and drive it when you drive it. Don't look to dish looked at rice score. And he can't he six feet seven inches tall. But I know what LeBron loves the most about him because he's talked about after the game. He said he's got some of the quickest hands in the league does he just does. And it's just a gift you can't coach it or I don't think lavar taught it to him. He just was born. He picked. He picked he picked the starting point guard in the back court. He did he plant picked it. Yeah. That's unbelievable. And he does it with a straight face. Just like. Just like so what? But like I said, I agree with you as going to be hard for Luke Walton to go back to Rondo because he said there's been clarified. What we're going to have to see this all the time Rondo was going start. He won't get it plan. And when the rubber needed to meet the road Rondo was going to be in there. So now what we've seen is that Lonzo can stand up to the pressure of being in a ballgame now regular season and playoff entirely different. But we'll cross that bridge. Once we get to a place. There is a bridge. We don't need to cross it now scale, but I believe, hey. Hey, well, until ball's been on such a huge stage, not meant maybe LeBron stage age eighteen but has there been a bigger stage since LeBron stage than this kid stage with his father a painting a target on his rack last you're saying he's better than Steph? Curry all sudden, his father disappeared unhappy for that. Because all sudden the kid is becoming a man right before your very eyes. He's able without his father just just keeping pouring pressure on him every night, but he's starting to become a basketball player. But he's the most unassuming if you look at all the point guard all of them have vire impassioned. And you look at is as you look at magic you look at rush you look at John wall. Look at all the point guard look at Chris Paul look at all these he's. Oh. Change the expression. None none of that. None of that. He missed layup. Power through somebody's give he ain't give you the almost. You know, what you see is what you get guys five steals last five, eight assists last night, six more rebounds. I've told you before I'm saying this last year as he matures physically could someday he average a triple double could it'll be in the teens. He'll average fifteen points, eleven rebounds, and twelve assists. Something like that. But again could he do Jason Kidd triple dose for all year? Yeah, he could. And the thing is get they should be a top five this team. Because you have you always going to have three great ball on the court at any given time. And at least two Rondo can handle the ball. Lebron can handle the ball. Lonzo could handle the ball all of those guys higher this guys. So you should be in the mid twenties on every give a night. And if catch just right like Phoenix, you should be in the thirties. But they have a lot of guys that can mishit offense coups making take it off and go, Josh heart land, Stevenson dance. I can I have this day. Oh, he would kill you. I hated that guitar legend when you've Indiana, but he was doing a you remember that place. He feeling good about himself. He lost the ball. He got it back. He got it. Back through a shot at one ref to bail them out. But he was unbelievable last night. But I believe Lonzo should be moved into the starting lineup until until. So do I so what shocked me on opening night at Portland was that Luke Walton made sure that Lonzo got nineteen minutes. Now Rondo played thirty two minutes or and he was good. He was driving force. Right. But nineteen minutes for Lonzo. Remember coming off arthroscopic surgery. And so he had some minutes restriction. But then against the rockets in the fateful brawl game. It was thirty minutes for Rondo to twenty-six for Lonzo. Remember he tossed so he didn't get to finish at thirty four minutes because that was four thirteen left. Remember, Lou won't say gonna play somewhere between ten and thirty minutes a night. He did will be voting for thirty thirty three. Three last night. Why not which brings us to the quandary that will get dumped on Luke Walton head. How do you keep Rondo happy just pure backup? I just don't think that direct deposit. These should be happy. We try to win games as built like guess what? Are you going to be like that? Because we listen the guys are in playing give he's shown he can do and he can play up the ball. What is Wando going to do if you're going to allow LeBron to be the point forward moving forward? And I believe a lot of it will be him being the point forward. What does Rondo do? He doesn't play. Well off the ball. He doesn't play all that. Well on the other end either in Lonzo can really. Yup. Yes. Their commitment to defense at Phoenix. And last night, it was pretty impressive. And you know, what I like skip. Lebron James check back in the ball game. I don't know if you notice this because you don't have one full K. What LeBron do he bought it at joker? I got it. Did he got it? Will he's going to have to guard him. He's going to take the whole. Don't do that. The mere fact you say he doesn't play anybody. What did Joe could do? Well, it's just his man. He's like I got the five guide. He'll yeah. I got joker. Did did you fail about five times back down back down back down? Then just joke with him. Got no breath in the pie. Okay. Wrong. We'd be able to grow grow. I think he got on the vibe. Michael Bey was the no. Yeah. The only one that work out. I can say. Got hard to help. They don't need. No HALE that God given. Turn-up green? It's the metal be putting together. I thought they had baked jam. Green beans ought to go stuff. Then have a little wine and a cigar. And you're good for the night. By pinup tonight. Are you? Do that. You know, we celebrate skip Bayless. Nineteen forty two. Ron and his face undefeated nuggets team last night one day after getting their first win of the year. Now Kobe was sitting courtside LeBron put on his show. He had his first triple double as a Laker finishing with twenty eight points, eleven rebounds, and eleven assists. They trailed by as many as eight in the fourth but came back to win. Now taking listen to LeBron on the teams bake night. I. Laker. Thought if we didn't get this win tonight. Probably take national televised games. Also. Win. Anytime you able to do good things. Individually results wins. Important to me resorts Wynn. Crowd has been great game. So far, they were great. I think I know your response from the display already, but how impressive or your Lakers last night. It was very impressed. You remember lands? You saw land land oh land Utah? Stevenson. Three big. And I get this was impressive. We downplayed what they did against the Phoenix. Because we know they're not very good basket. Downplayed. Don't do. Okay. Thank downplayed that win. Because I realized Phoenix is is a very good basketball team. So they were supposed to win that game. They were supposed to win the game in the fashion in which they won that game. We were going to get a test. And I told you I told you yesterday, they not only are they gonna win. It got my case. Do we back on the double double nine? Also, another pending bet that I'll talk about also told you he would go to go on a date with who skip MS trip dove. And and behold Kobe was Michael b Jordan within attendance and. Who brought role with catch bottom shoes? Alex Smith trip. Do. Yeah. She made it true for Cleveland. I think he go relocate living up in Brentwood somewhere. But anyway, that was very impressive. Because I think we learned a lot about this team. And I think Luke stumbled on something that he probably would not have had Rondo got suspended head to Brandon Ingram. I got suspended. We learn land. Stevenson, he's going to be playing in crunch time. Skip he played big. He plays well with with LeBron Josh heart unbelievable. Kouzmin Cal growing up getting the young gun. They play down the stretch. No, you know when things come back. I don't know how that's going to shake out. But we'll cross that bridge. Once we get to the bridge that needs to be crossed javale McGee has been Gebriel. He'd been one believable. I don't think they they envisioned him to protect the rim. But what he's giving them on a nightly basis. Also, he's trying to block everything and what he doesn't block go in. But I'm cool with that long that he's going to continue the hustle. I can live with whatever javale McGee give me, but LeBron all I just need Kouzmin image avail, don't miss beautiful give you that pants. Cool blue temple what you were going through your mind when you turn. What was going through your mind? I want you to ask what is your turn to speak still my let me heap praise on the man skip keep talking about he missed that shot. Koby never miss in. Now did he missed to Portland? But I don't want to talk about Kobe this LeBron's night against eleven of turnover. You notice he has been last who game twenty one. I liked that ratio. One for five from three last night. Running your rights give he was one for five from the three point line. What's he for the year? Seventeen seventeen from what about three he's seventeen percent? Seventy five of twenty nine. I bet you. I bet you a case of do heat shoot for the whole year. I would hope not that might be the boldest bet you've ever made before I before I turn it over to you. You and I both know LeBron has not on the ball wealth from outside, and he's averaging twenty six ninety nine you know, it's going to come you know, that outside Josh go to start ball Bayless me. Right. Don't trouble trouble west and conference, really. Are you back on the bandwagon? After you moonwalk. Talking fifty five then it fell all the way down to fifty one. It felt a forty eight. Okay. I'll go back up to fifty one fifty one and a third seed keep talking to you want to go up to fifty five you keep talking. I'll let you go to fifty five three cases. Now, we want it. If you keep poking me pick them in a number two. Do you keep on doing that? Now, I'm gonna leave it alone for the time being. But if you keep own you'd leave me, no choice. Well, I'm not going to leave alone all the phony baloney dispute about what really happened last night. Because I once again, I don't know. I gotta get a new TV. I saw a whole different game. What did you see? I saw the strangest thing happened with six fifty five left in the game. Maybe you fell asleep. I was I was on the edge of my seat because I thought was six fifty five left in the game. I had me one more case of diet mountain dew. I thought I was going to be up eleven cases because it was six fifty five guests who left the basketball game in shock strangely inexplicably. Lebron James went to the bench with six. And they were down seven that immediately went to down eight so effectively they're down eight and Luke Walton says come on over here in me. Really? Yes, LeBron James. I gotta tell you. I thought that was I surrender. I thought that was we waved the white flag playing back to back even LeBron didn't play the fourth quarter Phoenix thought. Well, he's in year sixteen Luke senses all is lost. And I'm thinking he just gave up on this basketball game. Wouldn't you know, wouldn't you would wouldn't would LeBron James quote unquote, best player on the planet ever come out of a game in which they trail by eight with six known abroad. I told you. Yearly? Oh, they're to manage. That's unmanaged the whole basketball game. That's just saying we surrender. We're done. Thank you very much. Also, LeBron guys issue. Unless you trust. You whole not saying that what he was saying. I think he exited stage left for the rest of the night over on the side. Kobe sitting there thinking. No way I'm coming out of this game at this point because I'm going to win this game. At this point. Lebron sat for three long minutes and help me out. What happened in those three minutes lands? Make them dance Lance happened. Again, he happened just like happened at Phoenix land Stevenson took over the basketball game. He took over the TNT network nationally. I'm sitting back in my chair saying no not again, not again, not again, three three. And then I said, this is it. It's happening then driving layup all sudden, he scored eight straight points that I look up in the game is time, thanks to make them dance land. That's what LeBron called him after the game down. What? He's stealing balls. He's he's assisting. He's just dominating the floor, make them dance, Lance and guess who played all twelve minutes in the fourth quarter, make them dance. He was the only player on either team who played all twelve minutes of the fourth quarter. Lebron played eight minutes and fifty four seconds. Lance played all twelve minutes of the fourth quarter because he's the new Laker closer. Like this before it was all about Lance Stevenson so win. Lebron comes back in the game is tied. And what happens immediately, Mr. sharp last? Stevenson makes like almost felt like a fool Corp has a half court pass beautifully on the button to LeBron. And he's just left wide open. Streaking for a touchdown. Yes. Like a lay in it's an unguarded in that gives them the lead. And I'm saying that's it ballgame in LeBron had what to do with that run like next to nothing. He just made the layup gave him the lease seriously series take. I'm just telling you the truth of what happened and Denver was just knocked on its heels reeling. And then they said we surrender Denver Nuggets surrender to land. Stevenson. Estimate at Lord have mercy question. What you ask for you with your Lakers last? Out of that. What do you say? Hi impressive. The Lakers to try and take a shot at LeBron timeout. You went I on this. Now the floor is mine, and I don't think I relinquished it because I'm just getting started here without Lance Stevenson. The Lakers would be one and four that I can make a case that they would be Owen five earned around. The they probably would have come back to win Phoenix has talent. And if you let Phoenix get a little foothold in a little confidence and you let Devon Booker start cooking and de'andre eight and start dominating inside. I don't know they're going to beat some teams this year. You Mark my words, I don't think Lance just knocked him back on their teachers. But you said land started a make them dance lands. And you said, okay, he scored eight straight pointy tied in order to score eight straight points and the game to be tied. What must happen on the other end skip Bayless, LeBron James Mitch? We got stops. They were you gotta give stops. So that had much to do with the LeBron did not skill. But it gives them confidence. And this is a lot of time. If you look at the skip he played under thirty five minutes. Women the last time in close ballgame that LeBron James played thirty five minutes left. Thank you. You're making my case. Yes, they won the basketball game without LeBron seriously. Well, no, they did down eight when he goes to what you pull the broad at that. If you don't mind me asking over LeBron you're not answering. My question to me. Why would you pull him because? What does he need rest with six fifty five left in a game? Walton said they're going to do everything they can to keep LeBron James minutes down you call them a liar. Say good luck with that. I do. But I couldn't believe LeBron would submit to it. I would think he just. The now, here's the thing. Will LeBron you say LeBron coaches LeBron doesn't listen to anybody last night for the first time ever he listened. Now, he lives in for the first time eighty gassed, maybe little maybe I told you the other day is he smoking too many cigars drink too much any any, oh, he drinks wine too much. I mean, if he's ironman if he's the guy I think he is he's the quote unquote, best player on the planet. There's no way you come out at six fifty five and you sit for three minutes that's like each Hornets in a game that close which means it was three fifty five win the game in with him on the bed. So let me ask you this. If LeBron James does not play a minute last night do the Lakers win the game against the Denver Nuggets. He's a. The game. We game was virtually over when he went out, and especially if you go out and you're the best player on the floor. Then the game should be way over because your teammates should say. That's it. The coach just took the best player you're down eight with six go this show me. I love it. Because they're saying we're more than just the best. Oh, that's what they say. We don't really need the best player. Well, I'm serious. That's what it came across. Did not come across Ron need to rest for. Back in until three feel you don't need a psycho, analyze everything. Lebron does he went to the bid for three minutes? This isn't cycle. In fact, it's just how do you explain it? Does he ever done this in his career seriously, go back, and you find me one you won't be able to? He just doesn't do that. Oh, if the coach David Blatt had. What would happen if David Blatt had dared to try to send in a sub for LeBron James six fifty five down eight at home. David Blatt would be history right after the game. He would be gave David David Blatt the big phone finger middle finger. I agree. But we got away with the coach what we call them coach coach while I think LeBron just needed a blow. Skip doing this embrace. It is going to happen. We're going to get fifty plus wins. We're going to beat the third seed, and I'm going to be sitting over here. Kiki key on a regular basis to seed, this is this is a sign of things to come there. Had you know, you ain't trying to speak nothing. But the universe is nodding to align for me. And then how about the best clutch three point shooter on this team emerging is I dare I say Lonzo ball are you believing? This Lonzo ball right before your eyes in his second year in the NBA. He is becoming a man, and when it is time to shoot a three with conviction to change a basketball game. Like, he did it Portland when he cut it to one with eight minutes left last night. He stepped into that. And that was the dagger clutch dip into it. He's stepped back. You're right. But it's stepping into it because he stepped back and said, I got this. I can just see his body language when he shoots it like, he means it. I just say that's in think when they broke the huddle Walden head drew drew up a play. Instead, Lonzo we want you to go one on one where Yokich, but we want you to step back from twenty nine. I don't think that's the play. But give Lonzo credit because he stepped up we talked about skill when he misses the ball goes somewhere in Bakersfield when he is wishing I mean, they know bouncing around in rambling is swish. No in between. It's either airball swift. And you could just tell by the way, he launches it. If there's a little hesitation like really shoot this look out look out below because it's going to go, right or left. But when you just see his body language, he catch it and rhythm, even if he has to step. Forty one percent from three and guess what? In college and used to ridicule me when I bring up one percent at UCLA right there. So maybe we'll find it back out. And we know that shot looks different to be launched from the right side of his face. We're five games in. Can we get a little bit more than five game? You're the one who's already going to seat off last night. You're you're jumping to new we're going to be three see before I even before the pump the basketball. But after the last preseason game, he said, I I'm sorry. I got to walk this back. I still I still skill you. And I both know this and today's game you must be able to shoot the three ball consistently. They don't shoot that that shot. Wale. You're not going to contains the average seventy plus points in the pain. You have to have that many points in that many fast break points because when you don't shoot well that means you're going to be somewhere around fifty four the game. Well, we know they're not winning a game with fifty points. So. So they must get out and run they must get points in the paint because they don't shoot the ball from behind the arc. They don't shoot the ball mid range. Very well. But LeBron skip think about this the Brian James a career fifty four fifty five percent. He's shooting forty eight percent now forty eight percent. But most people that. Unbelievable. If I don't you know what I'm gonna let you shoot forty eight percent for the season. You would have twenty six nine in that. I won't I wanted right now. Lebron James, no not me because I'm better than that. I'm better than that little better than five of twenty nine from three that one game. You know, maybe took that little breaks. Did he have to catch Michael Jordan because he need a little vibe rainy? Possibly in abroad. Is it possible? I'm okay needs a new supply Michael be cornered the market. Didn't he go with? Go with. Catch up with a broad before. We get out of town that good stuff. I got to. I got some do winds krill. I'm not sharing anything with you. Because you know, you don't appreciate greatness. I think I do appreciate greatness in jail McGee because I don't know who this guy is explain him to me because I'm seeing things on a nightly basis where I say who is that guy. I've never seen it in his career. I've seen little glimpses here and there, and then I've seen boneheaded this. And that and I say, well, I have a couple of okay, he might. But he was twenty one and seven last night the sevens. Not great. But do you realize he, and I know we're only five games in he's leading the NBA and blocks leads the MBA and blocks fail McKean. Yes. He's averaging seventeen seven. How do you do that? If you told me javale McGee could even average double figures at at ten I'd say, wow, that's pretty good about this. He shot he shot one shot. Now, we expect LeBron somewhere between sixteen and twenty shots night. We do not expect Vail McGee to get up sixteen shots, we expect your veil McGee to get put backs. That's javale McGee does but he's running play for their down to him on. The block and he shot. Scott who I I keep saying this on on a morning basis. I come in here. And I say, I'm really liking this Laker team. This team is better than I thought it would be because the kids aren't afraid to play with on there. Usually what happened last year in Cleveland, Jordan Clarkson, Rodney hood, what happened they shriek at the site of LeBron then they get on big sage, and I know the stages that big yet because we're obviously not near the end of the season or the playoffs but on a big national TNT stage. Kuzma look scared last night. He looked like he was deferring to LeBron did Josh heart deferred a LeBron. It's like they got the greenest lights. They just go for it. It's like they're LeBron shots up. Cool. Cool. Always going to get by team. Shop is anybody look sideways at LeBron like is this okay to shoot last year in the Jordan Clarkson, Rodney hood are looking like is this. Okay. That moment. Okay. With that moment. Just shoots it. But we Lonzo just shoots it. What is this is something about remember in the regular season during Clark's just shooting and Rodney shooting? Shoot shoot. We got to play off all of a sudden, they this is the flip side. It looks like they're all just like lighting up around. Lebron? Right. That's what he does get lung. He gives you the confidence. It's like, they're all his sons. They're all brawny. They're all like brawny junior. Lebron if to this generation outlier what Michael Jordan is. That is true. So he there's there's no intimidation in the mere presence Laurent. They're feeding off trying to out LeBron LeBron. Guys, they wanna play. Well, get guys got on the court with Jordan. They didn't want to let him down. They know they knew the expectations L kids on the core. Oh, definitely all veterans who knew how to play because he was surrounded by experience almost every almost every guy. Today's game is one and done or all those guys that play with your guys went at least three years majority on played all four years. So they were already twenty two years old guy. The twenty Lonzo ball is in the second year. He's twenty twenty what twenty one is thirty years. So this is where we are now. And LeBron is he is like a bottle abra. I got y'all ready going out there and take on the world, we read it. I'll just sit over here and watch you. How do you go? See why you got to ruin every conversation. True. How's it? If it usually takes a couple games to settle in. And it looks like the Lakers. Lebron are finally, and it's going to be fun to watch. And it's gonna be fun to George chose to resign with the thunder last July instead of signing with the Lakers, but he keeps talking about LeBron George was asked if it was difficult to play with Russell Westbrook, and he made a comparison to LeBron he told ESPN the magazine quote, LeBron is the best player in our league. But some people have a hard time playing with him, Shannon. Shannon. What did you make of this comment thing? Is that oka- understand you wanna praise Russell and say Russell the great teammate. And it's difficult to play Ross. Yeah. Sure. He could've easily about my thing is why does he have to bring up in the Bronx. Yeah. Yeah. You know, why most difficult to play what LeBron because it's LeBron is championship or bus. They're very few players that we expected to be in the finals, and that would expect -tations they had themselves Larry Bird, Michael, Jordan. Magic Johnson is different. There were other great players Karl Malone and Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing. Let's give it wasn't NBA finals or bust. That's what it is. Lebron James NBA finals and buzz is also hard play with Paul George how no because David west eleven million dollar pay cut to get up out of Indy. Go play for San Antonio for a better chance to win a title. That's what we do. But that's not because the hated playing with him. He just didn't think he could get home. That's not what we're talking about him saying, why can't you make your arguments? Get out film skill by let go by CBS. Apple I could do the job as good as other people that had jobs. You to hear me say he got a job. I could do better to him. They didn't ask me about them. They asked me how feel about getting let go didn't ask you about the bra. But if you know what notice he kept he keeps bringing up the Lakers will I was going to find with the Lakers had I not gotten traded. Okay. See I really thought about going home. He keeps bringing that up. Then I moved on you happy. They're happy. I'm just a guy they asked you about Ross and the difficulties wise difficult to play Roth, or why some deem it. Why some why he did difficult to play with say why it's not difficult to play with him say it's difficult playing with any superstar. You gotta break brought bras special. Eighty lie about liberal issue. That is just told the truth saying, well, you're condemning Russ what about the best player on to about just told me. That's not what we're talking about. You always change the subject on argue with you, and you try to deflect blame by saying. Well, what about that? And Paul Georgia's saying, well what about him? What about the guy chose not to play with in LA? What about the guy that Kyrie said? I don't want anymore him. I gotta get out. Get my own show show show layer Jason Tatum showed up he had a very short Ross. We'll see how that works out. But the point is the reports are that kyri collide Leonard and Jimmy Butler do not want to play with LeBron James. Why is that because most of these guys won't their own team? You're not going to let me ask you name the player that could have joined Larry Bird or Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan joined them in their prime and they're in their prime. And now all of a sudden, they get co Billy or top Billy named the player knowing. Okay. So here's what this boils down to if you're playing with Russell Westbrook. Russell westbrook. If you lose his always going to get most of the blame if not all the blame if you're playing with LeBron James, and you're the second star or the co star LeBron you are always going to get the shoes. Always why is that because the media protects and loves LeBron James? The media's always skeptical the Russell Westbrook. I write about that. Why are they skeptical because Kevin Durant said I can't take Russ anymore. I can't win a championship with him as my primary ball handler and decision. How do you blame guy that probably might score forty points, thirteen rebounds, nine assists shoe? Sixty percent from the floor. And you lose by fifteen. How do you blame that guy? When you other coast are like you say you remember Paul George engaged by the close. I gained X one. They got closed out. Games. Okay. But whatever the one where he went whereas numbers here. He went to for sixteen score a field goal for the last three and a half of that game Russ warrior in the third quarter scored twenty points at forty six for the game. But did Paul George? No, okay. They blame rod exactly shooting too much, and you came up. Exactly. And that's what Paul doors won't because Paul George Kaffee. Guess what? Skip when he was in Indiana who got blame when they had that twenty five point lead, and they lost to the Kavulich Braun came rolling back lead. And he didn't take the last shot, and they ended up getting swept who got blame. So now he has covered hit back. He wanted company cover from Russ. He has covered if you went to LeBron. Small market is. The local media gonna crush George Paul when he comes up empty. Nope. They're not going to do it. Because they only got two superstars and they wanna talk to both of them. Nobody. They don't want to hear from anybody. So you can't beat it too bad or he won't talk to that is exactly right libra scale. He makes you job so easy. Anything with somebody like, babe. Would you like a plate? Would you like me to wash? When you want me to go to the the media's job. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying when you have a knife partner like that brought that knife partner. What was what did I tell you from the start about? Why did Paul George? Choose not to go home because he's from the LA area and play with LeBron James. It's too hard. That problem. Why wouldn't you stay in Oklahoma City? I love I grew up there. But it's small market. It's a little quieter there, and he can be Russ's co star. And there's no real fresh. No repercussion. I always why did I call him George Paul because he's not an alpha. He's a complimentary star at best in Indiana. He was supposed to be the guy and David Wessel. He's not the guy, but normally skip even the great backup the backup thing be lead. You know, more day was on the drums brought him to the front grass was how Melvin and the blue nose Fisher intended tennis. They forget that Petri. I want to lead Paul George is not that guy. Well, I'll tell you. Going to be difficult with any great player guy always going to be difficult. But the really good one they won't that pressure. But they also understand you wasn't John Elway my quarterback for nine years whether difficult to play with him skip. Yes. Because he's very men. But he made my job so much easier. Although I didn't know it at the time. I just thought this is what everybody did put the ball in the middle of my chest and tell me to get up in my shadow. That's what he's doing on my right? He won't go right to go live until all of a sudden, I didn't play with John Elway. Okay. What is LeBron James do when you least expect it? He's going to tell the media. We're top heavy as you know. That means I need more help. He's going to say why are you talking about? Lebron does with Paul George. He's talking about LeBron. You. Support firm disputed comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. Let's talk about buying a home. It can be one of the most important purchases you'll ever make. 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Additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on Quicken Loans. Data in comparison to public data records, equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states and consumer access dot org. Number three zero three zero. The Texans are red hot right now. They won their fifth street last night blowing out the dolphins to Shawn Watson had a great night with five touchdown passes and zero interceptions. Two of the went to Andre Hopkins. Who said after the game, quote, I think we've got the best offense in the NFL. But they may have lost will fuller for the season with eight corn ACL, Shannon. How far can the Texans? Go. I believe they'll win division. They'll get a home playoff game. But the thing is they're going to either probably end up playing Pittsburgh the ravens with the charges. All of those teams poll these serious serious threat to the Houston Texans because we don't know which team we're going to get on a given Sunday. We're going to get this team. Shawn Watson five touchdowns. He had more touchdown passes. The incompletion. The defense was puzzling to meet skip is because when you have a defense and the front seven JJ watt three time defensive player of the year. We have today. Cloudy, the number one overall pick who they pro pro player, and you have Whitney mercilus who's a double digit sack guy. You would think they would get more hits on the quarterback. They would create more havoc more pressure on the quarterback. And I don't see that stretches and you like bra JJ watt. Then the game is cloudy in the game. You're the one who loves JJ. I still think he's he's unbelie he'll flash from time to time you saw last night swim. Catch him napping, and he'll get you. But I just don't think consistently. And I think the team they could possibly face charges. They're not gonna face the dolphins. You nor at thought the dolphin was good is three and record indicated. I know what Ryan tannehill. I been Overbrook while at one. And so I was never bought into them. But the charges pose a serious threat. Authencity the Steelers we know what they represent and even the ravens we haven't seen. Joe flacco throw the ball like this in the regular season. Now, he played like postseason. Joe flacco that's a serious problem. And we know what the ravens do defensively. So in charge of the we'll get joy Boso back. How far can they go? I believe they'll win this division. You win your division. You get a home playoff game. If they match up with one of those teams that they weren't to draw one of those teams, I do not believe Bill events to the divisional round of the playoffs. So. I said this yesterday, I'm going to double down on it. I think the Houston Texans are becoming a legitimate threat in the AFC, and it's a legitimate threat. Not just to the best of the rest, but they could become a legitimate threat. Believe to the two who are in a league of their own New England and Kansas City. The only drawback as we just heard from Alex is that will fuller suffered what appeared to be torn ACL. That's what they think it is on a play that that shouldn't have been didn't look that dangerous deep ball that falls incomplete. And I don't know what happened, you know, how sometimes you just jam leg in the ground, and it just doesn't hit ride or something. And he just went down without really much contact and his holding his knee. And I'm like what happened? I I thought did he cramp or towards ACL? So that's a big loss because that. Thread over the talk. He is. But they got the other guy is just unbelievably good. Hey, you gotta give him. If you got to pick the flag, you gotta let him have that catch. Yeah. In KiKi Cutie was out last night with a hamstring. So he's got to come back strong for them to continue to roll like this because they don't have a tight end even a factor, but they can run it a little bit more Miller forever lucrative and the quarterback is really really good. I have loved to Sean since he was he took Alabama to the wire twice beat them in the second time and just on him and him alone. They're going to be a factor in I'll just say this I still like to Sean even more than I like Baker Mayfield. And you know, how much I like Baker Mayfield Cleveland would be even better if they had picked Sean Baker. I think they're going to be just great with with Baker. But this this kid is even he's he just got that it factor that play. Making factor that toughness under pressure hit a ninety nine QBR last night which tied for the best of the year. So far, I know it's just the dolphins. But these one hundred QBR I'm can you get one hundred I've never seen foot four incompletion five touchdown. I don't know. I've never heard of hundred either. Okay. So the Houston Texans play. What's braided, the third easiest closing schedule. Schedule from famous. The patriots had the fourth easiest and the chiefs had the fifth easiest so then ain't happening. But I'm looking at the schedule and I could see the Texans just continuing to roll again. We'll Fuller's big loss, but if they can figure that out with Cutie combeback at Broncos, I think they can win that Redskins is tough. But they could beat the Redskins titans. Browns colts at jets at eagles tough. But I wouldn't doubt it and then Jaguars. It's just not that hard of a closing schedule. Could could they go twelve and four or even dare I say thirteen and three well, then they're going to get one home playoff game. They're not going to get the buy because the other two are league of their own, right? But you're going to get a home playoff game against the best of the rest. Now, you say chargers. Steelers ravens on thinking comes out of nowhere. But could they beat them at home? Yeah. With Sean Sean can beat anybody anywhere. You saw did last year. Tom Brady, if they were to play any of those teams that home skip they will not get the home favourite liking. They wouldn't be the automatic minus three that might be a one that might be a one and a half point that might even come to pick him ballgame. Yeah. Because they will have so much respect for the other team, especially because you look at the quarterbacks all these quarterbacks are battle-tested. Now, Philip rivers hasn't won a Super Bowl. Like Joe flacco it been Rothlisberger. But he's been there he approving approving commodity player. So that's the problem that they will have now they play in that division that division isn't very good. Let let let's be all. Yes. So they're going to win the division gonna win the Bill and the point unfortunately, draw one of those teams. Yeah. So now we're back to the defense. Why is the defense only ninth in points allowed so far it looks like it should be first or second chance allowed, right? Right. That front seven when you got three three Pro Bowl players. The back end, isn't that bad? Jay Joe Jonathan Joseph is not the player. He once was pretty pretty good, Honey bash. Oh, Honey, badger, the that was a big addition. That was a huge addition because he's just he's always around the ball. Somehow. He finds his way to get his hands on the ball. So JJ watt and cloudy and mercilus guy from Vanderbilt. Zach Cunningham left him out. They're everywhere starters from Vanderbilt are all of the league basketball football baseball. We'll talk about your Walker. Bueller? Nick knight. You'll get the dodgers back on track tonight. It's Vanderbilt baseball you. But the point is that with all that firepower. You're only what's going on with this is JJ watt overrated. I what is not over a stop is JJ watt and cloudy coming from opposite sides, and you can eliminate JJ watt. It's. Notice cloudy went into the tent, and that seems to be to be okay. But I'm saying he's a lot of time. And he's not camping which is not a good fan. Sometimes he camps on the quarterback. Oh, he's buried disrupted, and they do a lot of different banks. They'll stand him up and let him hit the gap. They'll put him at left defensive and right defensive and they play a lot of different places. But I'm with you. I think they should be more disruptive given who they have in the front seven, and it doesn't always it doesn't always surface, but they're going to be a tough out. But I still I would like I would probably pick charges ravens or Steelers at least charges Steelers Steelers over the Texans in the playoff game. I'm going to ride with Shawn Watson, he's rare. He's he's in a league of his own and intangibles. I'm not saying he's the most wildly talented player. But when it's time to make a play and guts it out. He just always makes plays and what he did to Saint Nick's defense twice was just staggering to me. But the problem is the have he does hold onto the ball which subjects him to hit. And if any takes off with the ball, so he needs to always be cautious. He took them hitting Dallas that you can't. Take those and try to play a whole season or you won't play very long taking hits. I agree, but he stood up to it any hung in. I think he had cracked ribs. And what happened at the end of the game. Of course, guys decided to punt on fourth. Jerry. I was good. But what did he do immediately? He found his Diop big breakaway completion. Right. And that was the ballgame. So Shawn Watson, you wanna talk about gutting it out. Ability special now, I mean, we're we're talking about him last year. All that goes to Pat Mahomes. Everybody about the best quarterback twenty three twenty five. Whatever metrics aid you want to use because he's just been so phenomenal wasn't been good. He's been good. But he's remember he's just slowly. But surely getting his legs back because he tore his creek. All right. So I'm bullish on this team. This team's loaded AFC championship bullish. But again a factor. They could be the best of the rest. They could end up being the third best team. That's not save money. That's not saying charge of thirty third. I thought she liked him to win the picked him. I'm saying data third dismissing your Subaru third-best right now up so quickly. I would never back. First of all they are the third best team in the AFC right now. Okay. What do you think what will? Kansas City better than the major already writing off your Super Bowl pick this early. Tober exactly does it matter if you third fourth fifth or sixth bench right now, or do you want to be the first Beth wants to play off stars rolling in Atlanta? 'cause I will be in Atlanta, you, well, I'll be there too. But I think the saints and the New England Patriots will be there and I'm not backing off. I haven't waivered one ounce on either pick Bill rivers, you got it. We will rivers ever done in his whole start played like twenty eight years. Nothing. I don't care where you are at some point in time. You light? It was the first time. Yeah. Well, guess what? Burst time built rivers wins in his what sixteen fifteen sixteen Tom Brady did it for his first time in his first year of starting skill. We try to compare everybody to Tom Brady. It's. Nominally nominally you made a big mistake picking against Hombre one of his. Thank you for listening to the speed podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Keep an eye out for the weekend edition of the podcast tomorrow morning, featuring this week's best segments have a great weaken. Everyone.

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LAL Season Outlook 2018-19 with Darius Soriano

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LAL Season Outlook 2018-19 with Darius Soriano

"A new week and the shrew listeners among you may have noticed that we haven't done all of the team previews. We took a little break from that to get into some other stuff at the over under. Of course, we're long overdue definitely go back and listen to some of those pods, Ben Taylor. If you didn't listen to that one because you don't know who he is. He is done probably the best work of anyone going back and looking at the greatest players of all time the in his series of more rigorous analytical approach than any that I've seen that's been done before. That's that was a great pod. We did the top eight players of all time, but now it's time to talk about the team that probably has the most anticipated season preview of any of these. And that is the Laker and joining us per usual, a valued and honored guests Daria Soriano how you do it. I'm good Natan yourself doing well, I, I'm actually finally back in the bay area after a month out after I got married. So I'm, I'm actually like really raring to go again. Got like the good audio quality again back in my by office. So. Aw, a ready get started. Now we'll don't tell Danny, but we missed you. So it's good to have you back. It's good to have you back. Well. Awesome. Awesome. So I think the place to start here, we've got a little bit of preseason under our belt which were privileged to have for versus the ones the previews that we do a little earlier. And so just what are your overall impression so far of this Lakers team increases in giving a course that LeBron is playing limited minutes? Yeah. Like I mean, I think one of the first thing that stands out to me as at they're playing really fast, like really, really fast. I know that playing the nuggets can sort of boost up your pace as well. Right? 'cause the nuggets wanted to get up and down the floor as well, but they're looking to run at every opportunity, even off of opponent makes they're really sort of getting the ball inbounds fast and and pushing the ball up floor. And so I think the pace at their playing at his been something that stood out from positive, STAN will standpoint. I think on a negative side, the defense is. Clearly a work in progress. There's a lot of moving parts on that side of the ball. I think the limited minutes for some of their players in Lonzo ball, not yet playing that sort of has not helped with the defensive continuity stuff that I, I'd like to see them a little bit farther along in there, but also think that you have to be patient defense even more so than offense. I feel is going to be built on like where my teammates, where can I trust trust. The help is everyone made will making the right decision and moving on a string. All of those things are going to be really tied to chemistry. And so this is where I feel guys being out his hurt them a little bit. He'll to both those the running, I think is going to be huge for this team because especially with a lot of the lineups that they have, they don't have a ton of shooting, but they do have a ton of athleticism. Brandon Ingram shooting sixteen twenty two at the rim. So par in preseason, Josh heart is looked really good in other LeBron might be the greatest. Perimeter finisher of all time. And so if they can push the ball hard with LeBron when he's willing Lonzo Rondo plenty of guys who can grab and go, I think that can be one of the biggest foundations of this offense. And it was a question of with LeBron here. Are they gonna keep up that great pace that they had last year a at Luke waldon's be? Has it looks like that'll be the case so far? Maybe not at the end, the games LeBron head on slow things down and then defensively, yeah, it's been pretty rough so far. And I mean, you just wonder, it's it seems like their lineups are going to be either javale McGee at center of each zoo botch of he plays at centre. Probably not that much or Calcutta at center. We're talking about LeBron Senator it seems like they're going to try Kuzma their first and while the impact of centers defensively isn't as high as it once was, it is tough to have a good defense when you've got there Cal or javale McGee as your center? Yeah, I'm not high on Kuzina at center to tell you the truth. Like I'm more pessimistic than than Optima stick on that. On a recent podcast that I did for the Laker film room podcast, we we went into a little bit more detail about that, but but just this idea that coups Ma who is not or at least as a rookie, did not show that he could be a plus defender even at his own position, which was mostly tower forward to now tell him that he's gonna play defensive center, which is going to be a more challenging position. He's gonna be guarding much bigger players than than him. I wonder if that's going to impact his legs as shooter on the offensive side of the ball, even if the Lakers start to switch a fair amount more as a defensive center, you're likely going to be switching onto primary ball handlers and shot creators either point guard or shooting guards, and those are positions where Kuzina is going to have a fair amount of trouble. I think he can switch, you know, some, but asking him to guard bids and then or guard a center, and then. Switch onto a point guard. Those are not playing to his defensive strengths at all. At this point, I feel like and then with with McGee, you know, he can protect the rim and and he had a gain the other night. He had five, five blocked shots, and he can sort of be a presence down there. But so much of that back line defenses is also just going to be rotating quickly in early to even deter those shots at the rim. And and I wonder if he's going to have the wind to play and be as reactive as as he needs to for like twenty five men minutes night versus the twelve or thirteen he was playing in cold state Lassie job mantha. It's really the plan to play him tonight. I think most people thought, well, okay, they're the only son Jill and they're just gonna play him that much. You know, the hill play. The number minutes would play in Golden State, and you know, I didn't even necessarily think he was going to start. And so now he's, he's starting a on this team. He's gonna play. A lot of minutes and you just wonder a guy hit his, we've seen many a time. He could block shots, but his awareness is so bad, and then you've got guys like Michael Beasley coming in as well, who are not great. I think they can get to some very good defensive lineups, especially a flip Ron is locked in, but we've also seen, you know, LeBron just totally checkout defensively did that last year. And if these guys are just making mistakes around him, he he doesn't like being like, oh, ya'll racier mistake. Like we're on the same team. He can kind of get a little pouty when guys don't execute and yell at him instead of just like ought to make this emergency rotation and take care of it for you. And so I think in a lot of ways LeBron kinda defends the way the rest of the team defends its, they're not there. I mean, I was surprised because I I wasn't as concerned about this team's defense before watching the preseason really starting to lock in on them because I felt like I really liked the defense of some of their young guys, heart ball in Ingram, even if maybe they're a little overrated. Those guys are all solid defenders you through. LeBron there and then you'd think you could come up with a solid defensive. How're you feeling about things a at this point? It's probably my like relative. It's probably my biggest concern at this point is sort of finding ways to those lineups defensively, and and also just how aggressive are they going to be defensively? I think I really what you want from this team is sort of if not to the level that they did it last season, but sort of like Houston where they're primarily switching team, I think even if javale all isn't like the best big man switching defender in not nearly in the same class as like a Clint Capella. I think one through four, if like if you have lineups with with Lonzo and Har m Ingram and LeBron and then even Kuzina at one of those full spots or or or the other big man spot as well that you would just switch a lot. And I feel like when when you switch. Then you take some of that guessing game out of the rotations on the backside that can get a lot of these guys in trouble like you were talking about LeBron sort of checking out defensively. I think a lot of those issues come as a backside in weakside defend more so than sure he's cleared out and on the ball, right? Because I think that in those on the ball situations, he's he's going to be more dialed in in more locked in like in. He's gonna take those matchups personally, but on the backside is going to make the extra rotation is going to switch haphazardly sort of point. You know, I thought Lowe's out to women the other one as well. We'll also too if if you're defensive power forward, right, some of your responsibilities are going to be tag and then back to the perimeter to close out and then maybe back to the paint again to go rebound. Right. And those are hard rotations for anyone in the league, much less like a guy who's coming into a sixteen season, like I'm not going to. Sit here and say, LeBron can't do it, but is he going to to what to do it in? Have that want over in eighty two game season and I'm not exactly sure, and I'm not even sure if we should expect it say right, so so if it's something that that I'm certainly concerned about yet. I mean, I don't think it's fair. We saw with Cleveland last year. He was probably the best defensive player and given his offense of load and his age. I mean, it isn't fair to ask him to do that. You know what I mean? We see what he's capable of in small bursts, but even he now going into his age thirty four season to expect that kind of a level on a night tonight basis for an eighty two game, regular season does seem pretty unrealistic, so well, let's goods are. No, just let me say. One more thing though is I think the hope is that he will have less of an offense burden with this team that he will not be leading the league in minutes per game, or total minutes played this year and that if you can get him at a bit of a lower offense of workload. And cut his minutes from thirty eight a game to thirty three to thirty five a game that you might be able to get more out of him defensively. And I'm guessing that's sort of the plan with him going into the year. But obviously it's a long season and we're gonna have to see how that plays. And we'll see whether, again, a lot of the question here from some of the people that in the media that know him best is all right. You know, you sign this three plus one. He's here for the long haul. What happens when you get into the season and you know, things may not be going as well as he expects. He realized that this team really isn't a championship contender, and you know, he may intellectually realize that now, but living that on a day-to-day basis. How's he going to feel about that and react to that is going to be very interesting, I think. Yeah, I certainly think that that's one of the story lines. I'm not sure if right to be optimistic or pessimistic either way in that direction to tell you the truth. I mean, we'll so should I is that not fair of me to say. These guys are not a championship contender this as though. No. No, I think that that's totally fair, right. My like I mean, we're in the data we're recording. This is the first week of October you, you know, like the way that they look right now they are. They are. It is Golden State and then depending on how you feel about Houston and Utah. Right? Like vats probably the next tier down. And then underneath that there's probably a group of seventeen fighting for those last five playoff spots. And the Lakers are in that mix somewhere. And if you want to talk about how you build a team like half half or more than half of this roster, his turned over there are going to be continuity issues. And there are teams who are starting ahead of them just based simply on the fact that they brought back essentially their full roster or made complimentary type changes to to their roster in order to build on top of what they already had. And so the Lakers are starting from behind on those guys. And so you're totally fair in saying that at this point they are not a championship contender just not. And even the most optimistic person shouldn't be saying that you can say that they can get to a point where they can be dangerous playoff team right by the time they get to March or or or April, but that's a different type of conversation than saying, this is what they are right now in they're ready to to compete at that level because they're not. I will say this. I think if they get development from the young guys and they could pick up, you're not even Kawai Leonard. He's going to be available in trade pretty likely this year, or you know Jimmy Butler or something like that. Like it looks like that ship has sailed might get revisited the trade deadline for them picking up another star, but assuming that's not on the table. But if you could get either a solid defensive center, a center who could shoot a or you could get one more guy in the wing, who could shoot, I think all of a sudden these pieces would fit together a lot better because I do think that they're young guys at any. A lot of these guys will have to. Well, it's a see Lonzo ball where he's at from shooting standpoint as well and and what some of the combinations look like. But I do think that they're a couple of pieces away, but those pieces could potentially be obtained than they could be a lot more dangerous by leery. I certainly agree there like a piece in a half away. I feel like, right. Like like one or two, I'm with you. One will one hundred percent one more one more like dead. I shoo shooter type of wing who could actually play against the top offenses as defensive player and another defensive minded Santer. Who can, you know, pick and roll or pick and pop an an could be a guy who either leapfrogs devel- McGee or or supplements him as another like fifteen to twenty minute player. I think that those are two types of pieces that I'm sure this front office knows that they should be looking for throughout the season and even going into next offseason, right? Yeah. Net team may not be the warriors Houston, but that could be. That sorta team, I think is a high fifties type of win team potentially. But I still wonder, and obviously we'll have to see how the young guys come along as well. Here's talk a little bit as we've started to allude to hear about what the rotational battles look like. Why don't we start at point guard Lonzo ball, coming off of knee. Surgery has been playing five on five. They hope that he can make his preseason debut later this week. But what's it looking like as far as the playing time battle between he and regime writer who they brought in and paid nine million this? Yeah, I think that Rondo is being set set up to be at least the early season starter. They're really being cautious with Lonzo ball. I think part part of it is also just a conditioning standpoint you, you know, he did a lot of work in the in the weight room this year, and he's bulked up, but as you know, right, he had he. He had knee surgery this offseason before he had knee surgery. To repair that or shave off part part of his meniscus. He took a PR p injection. He was off of his leg for a month in order to try to get that PRP injection to to take and see if that would stem stimulate the healing that that he wanted. So I can only imagine the his conditioning has not been wear. The team would want it to be, and I would. I would venture to guess that one of the reasons that he's being held hell 'bout to this point isn't necessarily because his knee isn't sound at this point. I would bet it's more that they don't feel like he's in game shape and ready to actually get up and down the floor the way that they want an and they wanna put him in best positions to to succeed. So insane. All that. I would imagine that Rondo is going to be the starter to start the year, but it would not surprise me if by December or so that Lonzo is if not the starting point guard playing the majority of the minutes, like an inch. Up towards that twenty eight to thirty minutes a game that that he likely should should have been. I don't know if you feel the same way about that, but, but that's. I think that Lonzo especially defensively, I think it is very underrated how bad Rondo is defensively. If you're trying to switch, he just completely gives up anytime. He's posted up a any just, you know, he has absolutely zero physicality. At this point, we'll try to get over a screen as well. He'll make these kind of like cute smart plays, but he's just not giving the effort on a game to game basis that and so I think you can make the argument, maybe that Rondo is a better offense player than bombing. They both have their finishing difficulties around the room. Rondo actually makes open threes better than ball has so far in his career, though, you know, ball certainly is waiting to shoot more so probably is going to get guarded more than Rhonda would. And obviously they're both outstanding passers maybe Rondos a little bit better in that category because he's kind of, I think he's kinda got it figured out a little bit more how to yet the ball in his hands at national to the rim and find passing angles guys, at least pretend to be more of a threat finishing around the room, which Lonzo hasn't quite got that done yet. But. I think the defensive of difference between them is so large. That one's oh, was probably a better player to me maybe even last year. And if he takes a step forward Rondos little older, you do expect bombie the better player. Yeah. I think that I think has passers the difference between them is at Rondos probably in the half court, at least a more creative passer and more of a chess player as a passer of just in terms of the stuff that that you described, you know, keeping his dribble alive and and sort of manipulating back line and weakside defenders. And then finding a guy who's who's slashing backside or or circling around weakside to four for an open shot. What I appreciate about Lonzo more as a passer in in the half court is he's such a quick decision maker so he can make some of those secondary rain passes as as Rondo can. But lonzo's also a guy who when the ball is on its way to him, he has a pretty. Good idea about where the next pass is going. And if he doesn't see an initial advantage for him as an offensive player to either drive or shoot his own jumper, the ball's out of his hands almost instantly onto the next player. And I think that that is an aspect of his individual offense of gain that the help sort of grease the wheels for team offensive success in ways that may be the the holding in probing that Rondo might offer a dozen if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm in total agreement there. Let's move to the to Casey p. started all last year had I think in under a year, especially when he wasn't under house, arrest shot threes. The best was grew. Another guy who is pretty good in transition a solid defender. I thought that he was a big part of their defensive improvement that last year on the perimeter and then you've got Josh Hartnett as well. At the two. I would hope that. It wouldn't necessarily be in either or a proposition with those two guys that they might be able to play a little bit together, especially since hard is pretty strong and he's got good length, but it looks like that's not necessarily in the cards who's the inside track to start at this point. I actually think it's heart. Casey p. did get the start in the Lakers last preseason game on Saturday against the clippers after two consecutive starts by Josh heart issue, shooting guards over the Lakers four pre preseason games. Casey Pia started twice and heart historic started twice case. If he was horrid. The Lakers I two two preseason games he, he was horrid ostensibly defensively. He didn't look like himself from last season that's gotten a bit better over the last couple of preseason games at end. So it doesn't surprise me that he got the start in in the fourth game. I'm one hundred percent with with you that they could play both of them together at both sort of shooting guard and small forward. I think that they bring different things to the table. Defensively. So I see Casey p is more of like a lock in trail and passing lane defender. So guys who move off of screens, a fair amount, you know, from from watching the way that he's defended Steph curry Ford, for example, that he does a fairly good job of chasing staff around screens and and being physical, where where he can be, but but sort of using his his his frame to to sort of get in the steps body in an n not allow him that free movement come coming off of picks. Heart is just a much better switching defender in end our Casey EP suffers similar to Rondo. And so I think that heart's ability to switch and hearts superior ability to sort of get to the basket and be grabbing go player. So you mentioned the Casey p is good in transition, and he certainly is he can fill the lane the outside lane and get to the basket in in Finnish, he can shoot the pull up three in in will in transition as well. But. Heart can do both of those things as well. But Harkin also be a grab and go player in. And so to me, heart is the superior transition player at this stage and with his defensive versatility as someone who can guard up a position rather than Casey who can guard down a position like defend point guards bed there. I think that heart has the inside track. We'll of Walton feels the same way, but I think Hartson up and coming guy and that long-term, this is his position to lose and with Casey pee on a one year deal. I get the sense that they're going to invest more into heart disease. Yeah. Another LeBron is on the team of there's always AD now is Rich. Paul client to the maybe maybe a little bit less of an impetus to just try to modify a ridge ball. But yeah, I mean, I think it's tough. We might be getting a little bit ahead of ourselves on heart, although I certainly like him a lot. You know, we haven't seen him play at the highest levels during a regular season yet. He showed flashes last year than he had that an-and goes a wrist injury guarantee. Mr. hand where he missed most of the end of the season. And then when he played great in summer league, but a lot of that was kind of oddball stuff. I, I have been very impressed with just his three point attempt rate, some of the shots that he's able to get up, very versatile jump shot. But to me, the reason I think those guys into play together is because those the only two guys on the team who can make a three and plenty defense. Yeah, they are both that they definitely are the teams best two way players in terms of shooting and and defense. I have high hopes for Ingram there. He shot thirty nine percent on three pointers last will last year, but on a very low volume, I think about one point eight attempts to gain in. So I'd be interested to see if Ingram can stay in that like thirty six to thirty eight range on like two and a half, three and a half attempts per game that remains to be seen. So. So I have hopes for Ingram there, but like right now in terms of proven, you're certainly right. Like it'd be interesting to me to see lineups with like. Casey p heart Ingram LeBron and like javale fail, for example, just because I think the Ingram can be the nominal point guard or LeBron the nominal point guard offense of Lii in then defensively you have Casey p. and an heart guarding the back court positions. So no traditional point guard on the floor am. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Like that, you you. You know, Ingram actually played a ton of minutes at point guard his first two seasons. You know, last year when Lonzo ball was was hurt in that middle part of the season. It was Ingram who who took over primary ball handling duties and and was essentially the starting point guard. And that's where he really started to take off as as a player when Lonzo has been out this entire pre preseason Ingram has done a fair amount of ball handling with the first unit even in games where Rondo played as well. So I don't think it's a stretch to give the ball to Ingram and say, okay, like you're gonna initiate our. Our our offense. You're gonna run some some pick and roll. And then obviously LeBron is air too. So you know, like I'm very high on Lonzo. I'm not trying to take the ball out out of his hands by any means. And I think that if Lonzo could get his percentages up into the like thirty three to thirty five percent range on the volume of threes that he was taking last season that he could be another one of those those guys who just like you said, Kim can be a two way player who shooting and defending well. So I have hopes for those guys and at, but I also have have hopes that Luke is going to find ways to get these guys in positions on the floor where like he's using the versatility of these players to to optimize lineups, and I think is going to be very interesting because we've seen the increments head the ball in his hands, a allot in that second Denver game, it will LeBron was very efficient, but he was not operating with the ball in his hand. It's a tiny certainly wasn't really your to the extent that he was getting the ball. It was trying to get him the ball on the move after they did something on the other side you, it wasn't kind of the more traditional pick and roll posts up stuff that we saw Cleveland, where he's creating everything and then finding shooters. And you know, I think that that is a good side, but if you don't have enough shooters even with that type of action you, you can misdirect all you want. But if the guys don't need to be guarded, that can be mucked up a little bit. And so you know, with Rondo I mean, he shot the ball well. But again, you know, not a guy who looks to take that shot as a first resort. And then Ingram is, oh, for five in four games this preseason, he's playing plus twenty minutes twenty seven minutes a game. And I, I think taken four above the break in one in the corner, so, and it doesn't really look like just watching it that you know, he's even spending that much time like spotted up. You know, they're hoping to get him again, the ball on the move. He's initiating a lot of the offense up. But at some point somebody's got to finish these plays is that they're trying to great. Also seen a bunch of possessions where guys have gotten penetration. They throw it out to another guy, and then he doesn't wanna take the three, he'll drive in and then he wants to be unselfish and find someone else. Then there's like there's no one who actually other than Bill McGee, y'all run the rim who's actually finishing these plays that they're creating. And so there's there's definitely a concern for me that this despite liking a lot of these individual pieces that it may not work together as well as people hope certainly in the beginning. Yeah, I think that they certainly have to find the right balance between taking the open shot that's their versus trying to move the ball on for a better shot. I actually tweeted this a few days ago that this is where I think the Lakers miss Lonzo shooting. And I said, it's going to sound weird that I'm saying this, but it's not because he shoots this high percentage, but it's because he's such a willing three point shooter and that you need someone who is going to be willing to take those shots outside of heart and Casey p. and Coosa. Right? Because those are really the three. Players who will enjoy shooting a high volume of threes who who project to be rotation players at this point in. So I think that you can the hope is to get Lonzo back to find more lineups with two or three of those foursome of of Casey, p heart of ball in coups my on the floor at the same time in order to generate a, if not actual space in because all of the shots or go go going in that than the type of spacing that exists from like willingness of shot like because you can generate gravity as well just by showing a proclivity taxi, put those shots shots up, like people are not going to close out at you. If you're just going to swing the ball onto to the next guy or when the ball comes comes to you. The first thing you're doing is looking to put the ball on the ground end, then get to to the rim the way the guy's like Rondo or land Stevenson are Heizo at lower in the rotation here. These three guys lint Stevenson might be. Salie, sweetie. Mikhail Yoku has been talked up a lot as a shooter, but obviously as a rookie of a very experienced one of those three guys put those guys in order of who you think is gonna play the most under. They're not quite competing with one another necessarily for minutes, but they do kinda need one more slot. They're at the two through four positions. I, I think, especially if they are going to be injuries. So what do you think about how those three guys at us right now? I think its Lance, who is in the lead. He's been getting a fair amount of like second second unit minutes as like a primary ball handler. So they've been using them as sort of this defacto backup point guard, especially since lonzo's van now. So he's been getting minutes there. You know, mikailah has basically been one of those like an like ended the bench players. He's got a couple of stints with like real second union guys, but his mostly been sort of the garbage time player. When the fourth quarter rolls rolls around and it's sort of the south bay Lakers. Light worries like it like it's Caruso and and Travis wear, and there's been, there's Mikhail there with with that group Beazley's an interesting case because we were talking earlier about who might get those backup five minutes. And I think that they're gonna try Beasley. There is well besides just trying. Kyle will cow coups there. So Beasley to me is more of like a four or five. Whereas I think spe- and Lance are more indirect competition for those minutes in. So right now, if I the slot them, it would be Lance and then Beasley and then spe- who needs to basically show that he could make shots, but even more and more importantly that he's not gonna have any defensive lapses, because if he can't show that he can at least be a notch ahead of the veteran guys defensively than I don't think he's gonna get on the floor, honestly. No. I mean in these. Whenever someone is on the Lakers you know they and plays well in some relief that kinda get talked up a little bit. And you know, he certainly did, well, he's the guy who I loved going back all the way to the twenty fourteen hoops summit. I thought he like when he was a sixteen year old, he looked awesome, but he never really developed in that type of a way, but he has apparently turned himself into a knockdown shooter, but is was he dropped forty, seventh. So I think it's tough to say that he's going to break into the rotation, at least on a good team. Exoo bunch is gonna play at all. I do actually early on at least I think that he's going to get some of those backup Santer minutes against bigger players, especially if it's showing that that coups Ma or Beasley isn't necessarily defensively stout enough. Zoo bought is in interesting guy of all the past several years of players at the Lakers have drafted. He's really the only one who hasn't source sort of at least shown that he could be a. Viable NBA player to this point. Like I kind of say, he's he's NBA adjacent because he is. He is too good for the g. league, but he's not yet shown that he is good enough for the NBA as like even a ten minute a night player, but he's got some tools and it would not surprise me to see him get a handful of minutes here here or there. He came into camp after playing some really good good minute for the either leave the Croatian national team, and he looked good during his national team play, and then he got some sort of virus in. So he looked very sluggish at the start of training camp. But the last couple of games he's looked a lot better in. So I hope that that trending up continues because the Lakers could really use another big, big body just just like we were talking about earlier and end zoo bots could could in theory be that guy considering the tools that he has on both ends of the floor. Yeah, I, you know, I think he's. I'm still concerned that he's too slow, but it wouldn't. He by actually be their best defensive center, but you know, not a ton of competition in that area at this point. And I mean, it's definitely I, I was so encouraged when they didn't spend a ton of resources on centers this offseason thinking that other just going to not place hymns, and I'm not sure whether that's what they're actually going to do or not. I mean, they do have a lot of ways that they can go. Each of them can has their flaws though, but you know, in terms of just traditional big when this might be the worst team in the league in terms of the traditional big men that they have on the roster. And so if you know if you're gonna play these guys and yeah, I get the jail is actually a very good offensive center, but he gives such a place to attack on defense and then you can't switch which makes things so much easier for a lot of these guys. So it simple when they go, I was going to say, let me ask, ask you this. The elephant of the room here. When we're talking about the Lakers San, Santa wrote will rotation is is really LeBron right? Because they've been tap dancing. Around that really? Right. They've been playing Khouzina there. They've been playing Michael Beasley there they've gotten right. They've got javale plane minutes. They've they've given zoo bots, his Bulbul his time there, but the one guy who hasn't really been playing then minister is will is LeBron long-term you as like an outside observer, do you see him getting, you know, the five to eight minutes night at center. The truly interesting because it's a very rarely gone to alignment in Cleveland because they had Kevin love and they interest in Thompson like those were some of their best guys. So it didn't necessarily make that much sense every once in a while against the wears, they'd go with LeBron at center by my recollection those lineups usually didn't do too well defensively. They didn't have necessarily the communication. Certainly from a physical standpoint, James is their best option at center, and you know he's strong enough that basically anyone trying to post them up, you know, he might. He might be if he put his mind to it and really tried hard on a given possession still one of the best post vendors in the league, even if he is to. Guard, you know, Karl Anthony towns or something like that, but it's very clear to me. He is always even chafed at having to play power forward in his career. Now that the league is kinda volved around him to where it be ridiculous if he didn't. But you know, does he wanna bang unplaced center you in really embrace that role? You know the way. So when like Draymond green would you know James has close to that level of talent defensively, if he tries to bring it, I think so much of it depends just on what is attitude is going to be. His attitude is, aren't, you know, this is a work in progress, but I'm gonna do everything that it takes here. You know, even during the regular season at times to play center and bring these guys homes and we'll we'll them to victory, or is he gonna say a, we're not closer. These guys just aren't good enough. Know I'm gonna kill on offense, but I'm not gonna do the little things every night or, you know, I'm not gonna do that until the playoffs. I it just I think it's holy question of adage. I think he's entirely capable. Does Luke Walton empowered enough to say, hey, LeBron you're gonna do this even though it's. Not the number one thing that you wanted to. You know, when Jane's is asked to do things, he doesn't want to do. He can kinda check out the way. Did you know with Cleveland for a month last year in January, so it's, I think it would be great that way it's easy for me to save from here to go through age who gains with the number of miles on my body that he does. So I think the fact that they're not even really considering it. This early is not a great sign. Yeah, I think that cuts both ways for me personally, I'm not sure if saying it's like a double edged sword of, yes, we biked to see minutes with this during the preseason and he'll up to him if it were up to him, he would play zero minutes the entire preseason. Probably, yeah, like he does not end. I saw Luke Walton answer a question about this during one one of the preseason games and he expertly dodged it right? Because they were basically asked him like, look, LeBron doesn't mean minutes to get ready for the season, but you need him in the lineup during the preseason in order to start to build some of these habits. And and build up the chemistry the he's going to need to have with a brand new team, like how do you balance that? And he basically just dodged the question entirely it in. So I think the same thing can be true for like minutes for LeBron center right during the preseason beat b, because I'm sure that the Lakers would want to to get a least a look at that during the preseason. But I also know for a fact, if you're gonna maybe half to call on that and you know, it might be this, this sort of negotiation between the coach and the player to get him to do will do that. Do you wanna burn or do you wanna fire any those bullets during meaningless minutes in the first two weeks of October? Right. So, yeah, so I'm not exactly sure where we're at with that to tell you the truth. But I think long term when like this whole idea of a Lakers quo- quote, unquote death lineup is the premise of that is LeBron James at center. It's not cow Kuzina as tenor. Yes, it's not gonna look too good. A. Don't think with Kouzmin center, and I think that really hangs over this entire season is just kinda what is LeBron's attitude going to be. I mean, we've seen yo other guys kind of running the show, supposedly magic though if you're believing that LeBron was sold on June, thirtieth according to the Lakers at the, I don't know what to tell you there, but you know, supposedly magic vision which you know when they made, although signings and then everyone was gone the Lakers idiots. And you know the kind of leaked to Ramona that like, no, this is actually like what we're thinking here is like, have LeBron being the post more have in playoff the ball more and okay. You know if he's going to really be a part of the team concept, there is really gonna be just another cog in the machine defensively, or is he going to be yawn? No, I I am apart from this, you know, these are a bunch of young guys are now know that he's even is he going to have much of a relationship with these guys off the court? Who knows? He's at a completely different point is life than the rest of these guys. So z. gonna say demand, all right, you know, things aren't going well. Now we're going to run everything through me again. And then this team does isn't really a quip to just have the supporting pieces around a LeBron James the way say Cleveland was. So you know, I think so much of it just depends on like what lebrons attitude throughout the season isn't. Certainly that's been good so far signed the three year contract to me. Can you can imagine what it would be? Like if he had signed a one plus one, you know and things don't go well, so at least they've got that pressure off of them, but I still think is gonna be so interesting to see what is attitude is is going to be, is he going to be used the same ways in Cleveland or they're gonna find some other way to use them? Do they have the personnel to do either those? It's interesting to me. So the one thing that I will say is that last year LeBron in Cleveland was probably one of the most joyless LeBron seasons I'd seen since maybe the his laughing's in Cleveland the first time before he went to to the heat. And I'm sure a lot of factors went into that for LeBron like contract year and staying versus going and the fallout from the Kyrie Irving trade and. You know how that didn't work out. And you know this, this idea of another long playoff run with like the juggernaut warriors weighing waiting for him in will in the finals potentially. So I could understand that there's a lot of stuff that goes in into how his demeanor was last season. What I will say is that he's seemed at least from my perspective, he's he has seemed very much at peace in happy with where he is at at this stage. Now how that carries out throughout the season remains to be seen. But I like the starting point where he's at right now, you know, sort of saying all the right things and and showing a connection to guys I- Brandon Ingram and Kyle Kuzma and not not necessarily like talking them up will publicly vote been from a really nice thing about Ingraham though. He was who's really, really complimentary giving some quotes earlier this week. Yeah, after that Sacramento game. For sure. Like Ingram's Ingram's look like a player who's who's ready to take that that next step forward. I think that coups MAs. Also a guy who sort of tends to endear himself to players to if specially the people within the game, you just sort of one of those hard working guys who is confident in and is ready to compete every night. And I think that that guy's teammates relate to that in. So I kinda like where he's at mentally LeBron is in terms of going into to the season just just like you said, it remains to be seen how that goes. It's it's a long year. This is the first year where he's clearly not on day one a championship contender for, you know, maybe the last decade. So so how how that goes and how he adjusted. That is certainly in an open question, but I would say that I'm neither optimistic, nor am I pessimist about which way it's going going to go. I might skew more towards the optimistic side. That's just my nature, but I just can tend to think that in a lot of the same. What ways that we can talk about, are these young guys ready or or or how's it going to look with them? And how is he going to relate to them in in all of these these different ways. I also know that young guys are full of energy. They're full of optimism. They're full of like like, this is where I want to go in my career and and we're trending up. And I think in a lot of ways I'm hopeful at least that that could be infectious to even a guy like LeBron who is coming off of a lot of years where there were like all of these expectations being saddled with. Okay, like another finals run another final foreign Cam, we win the titled legacy legacy legacy, all of that stuff that he's been dealing with an I wonder if like, okay, I'm not saying it's going to be carefree in Los Angeles with that media spotlight. But I am hopeful that some of these these young guys can can maybe help him like sort of rediscover some of that joy. That has been lost over the last year or year and a half in Cleveland. Yeah, that's interesting. And hopefully those guys will actually play instead of ios as some of these other the was that the the mud squad misunderstood, but what how did LeBron captured the photo of like Javagal Rondo b.'s led Stevenson? Yeah. Like misunderstood the Mike underestimated and something turbines determined determines what? Yes, yes. So LeBron maybe a great player. Right? He's just not so great with victims. It seems like because that's pretty bad, but I like the fact that it's the acronym spells Mudd is sort of actually propo- for those guys. Right? Like it's just they want it to be like some some name. That's culprit. All right. Let's let's talk strengths and weaknesses of this team. I'd say the big strength of pops out to me for these guys one or actually one of them we talked about transition, but one that's related to that is passing. I mean they've got, you know, probably the best passing small forward of all time remain. Larry Bird might be better, but certainly the right up there. Rondo is probably a Todd temperature in the league. Lonzo is an awesome passer. I mean, you've got the Stevenson is a solid passer for his position as well. Ingram is a solid passer for his position. So that's the one thing that makes you think, well, if they don't have the spacing, at least they have great passing and that helps you make the most of the small windows that do exist? No, I'm one hundred percent with. I'm with you. I think passing is probably their their biggest strength as as a group you, you know, like Lonzo Rondo in LeBron were on the top ten in innocence last season. They all posted really strong assist rates not like not only are, are they guys who who can pick out finishers, but they're also like really good ball movers they, they're all they all show a willingness to kick the ball ahead to players to get an put them in two positions within transition where they have advantage in. So even if that doesn't lead to an assist itself, it gets the defense on on its heels and into scrammed scramble mode, which gives you an advantage offense as as a group in. So passing is is up there for me kind kind of symbiotic with that is idea of a playmaking. You know, love you on obviously is a wonderful playmaker, but I'm a big fan of Brandon Ingram, especially when his driving kick game. Is is, is going Rondo is very good, good playmaker. Lance can do some. Some of that Lonzo can really attack a close out and and can make reads off will off of the dribble coups Ma. I'd like to see more of that from from him, but he has some ability there. There is well in. So I think that passing them play making art are two really good strengths for this team Niang you could. You could shot ambush ability. You get shock ration- into isolation play, although whether the lack of shooting will choke that up. But if you look at the players on this roster guys who can create their own shot, there are a lot of those dudes. Obviously, starting with LeBron might be is among the best in the league that, yeah, I mean, you can run down down the list LeBron Ingram coups Ma, Lance Beasley is there as well, so so shock creation deaf will definitely. I like their positional versatility the length you're saying? Yeah. And like length. Oh, I think that that versatility because of like positional size positional length the versatility that that they have in in just in terms of guys who can grab and go right? Like turn a defensive rebound in will into a transition opportunity by pushing the ball up themselves guys who can slide up or down a position. We were talking earlier about Brandon Ingram, who is there a small forward, but being able to play point guard, we obviously talk talk about LeBron Ness in way their their ability to to switch guys like a switch defensively har- in Lonzo and LeBron coups Ma and and Ingram in Stevenson. So they've got a lot of like like size, sort of like this Don Nelson type team, right? Where guys can can really switch in do a lot of things on on the floor. So I think that though that those are all strengths, it'll be interesting to see how all of that translates though, considering some some of the weaknesses like like, do they have enough shooting in even the guys who. Are there shooters? Are they going to be consistent enough as as knocked down guys to test sort of force closeouts, which then create the the ability to drive in kick in and get a defense on on on on tilt so that you can turn a good shot in to a great shot? Yes. So I mean, if you look at it, Casey p heart in Kuzina are really the only guys that I would say our average or above spot up shooters on the team. I think he'll LeBron if he really wanted to work at it, you know, sometimes he shoots the three. Well, he did last year other times, especially when he punches a whiteboard, he doesn't shoot it as well, but he he's not gonna be playing in that role very often. He's not gonna be, you know, I mean, even just to get enough guys who are standing outside the three point line, not to mention actually could make that shot. They're just it's not in the DNA of a lot of these guys. And then you look at the three through five positions, you know whether you want to call Ingram or LeBron the smell or the power. Ford. They've got one guy really. Really who's been comfortable in his career shooting a decent volume of threes and that's who's about so it just and then you look at the point guard position, they don't really have an established shooter. They're there to best shooters are probably Casey peon heart. And those guys it looks like are almost never gonna play together. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be real difficult to get the spacing, especially when they can't get out in transition. And you know whether either somebody's going to have to shoot a lot better than they have or I think they're going to have to make some kind of a move to get more shooting on this roster if they wanna. Yeah, miser potential this year. No, I agree with that. I also think that some of this is going to come down to volume and and guys showing the want to take that shot, you know, and some of that is gonna come down to coaching to like, where are these guys on the floor? And and where is the ball flowing to in order to make sure like where the skip pass, who is on that weak side and is at guy going to be someone who's driving or. Or who's most comfortable driving, or who is most comfortable Hsun during the ball, and and some of that is going to then come down the habits and what are we teaching and what are we telling these guys when you're talking about from coaching standpoint, to get them in positions where what we're stressing is the three ball needs to go up, right? Because you know, look, I'm I'm never going going to expect Lance Stevenson or even to a certain extent, Michael Beasley to be like high volume three point shooters, but and I'm never going to expect that from Rondo. But when I'm looking at Lonzo ball, when I'm looking at Casey, p when I'm looking at heart when I'm looking at Kuzina and then Ingram to me is like the key player in this because Ingram, like we said earlier, he took, I think, a shade under two to three threes a game in the next over the next twelve months or so right in so not only this, this upcoming season, but heading into the following season. That number probably needs to double to about. Out four, three young game, right? And so some of that is going to be spot up opportunities in some of that is going is going to be as a pull up shooter off of his own dribble. And I haven't seen any hints that he's at the stage yet where he's going to shoot the three when guys go under picking rolls on him. But ultimately he's going to have to start to take some of those just in order to get the volume of threes up because if Ingram can up his volume on threes than he could, in theory be another one of those those players who helps source sort of up the team. Three point rate to the point where the offense of efficiency is is going to comfortably be in that, like, you know, top ten range be because the top ten offenses are almost all going to be high volume. Three bull will three point shooting teams and yet not only of course because of the math advantage of the three. But then because finishing around the room, for example, gets to be a lot easier when you have the space in the preseason. Not encouraging so far in that regard. I mean, if you if you look at just to give some scale here, you know per thirty six minutes, you know the highest volume three pointers in the legal be, you know, ten three point attempts for thirty six minutes. That's your Wayne Ellington, you're, you're Steph curry. You know, those type of guys are Iran there of guys who actually project to be in the rotation. This your Khouzina six attempts thirty six minutes in the four preseason games. You know, right about where he was last year. Casey p Josh heart or both at five. And then those of the three guys, we mentioned who are capable shooters and you would hope that it may be those guys, especially considering that they're the only guys who can shoot, you know, would have even higher volume that, but sometimes having fewer shooters means that your guys who are good shooters don't get as many attempts because the shrug adds while that's quia. Yeah, this is the one guy we're not gonna leave, you know, like that's the what the instruction ends up being right. So and then the next guy who will be in the rotation three point two, three point, eight hundred thirty six minutes. That's LeBron James. So. So you know, then you've got Beasley Rondo all those guys are under three. And then we mentioned Ingram particular, not encouraging. You know, he's taking a less than two, three one attempts for thirty six minutes. I think that's even lower than he was a last season, so they're not there yet. Certainly, I think if if this type of a level maintains, you know, they're really going to struggle to be a good offense despite all the talent they have, if those guys can take more or they can get some more personnel or they can maybe try to play those two of those three guys coups mckay's EP and heart together more than maybe you can get there, but you're right. It's just you can't be that graven offense in today's day jail. I mean, maybe they turned into last year's Minnesota Timberwolves who the number for offense with a really low three point, temporary, just get to the foul line at time and hit the glass it and do a lot of posting up and stuff. Just they're going to out talent teams like that has been done, at least in the regular season. The play-offs for the wolves was another matter, but it's not encouraging number threes or taking so far. I do think Lonzo is going to help there. He shot a ton, a three pointers last young. He he was right at six thirty six minutes last year also. Yeah. And I would imagine that his volume is going to be very similar to that this season. I also think too that you, I really think they've missed Lonzo this this preseason just based off the fact that he is such heat, he is just so big on trying to create advantage within transition and even in half court an and I think that those are the types of possessions with when you can create advantage where where you can get viable, three point attempts up, there were so many possessions last season four for example, where Lonzo is throwing these head head passes to a Casey p or to a heart or or even two coups Ma. And those are turning into two three point attempts just based off the fact that the defense is already sort of retreating towards. Towards the paint and the ball is out of lonzo's hands. So quickly that it's three point attempt and I, the player who has replaced him basically in the rotation this year as or this preseason, at least as a ball handler has been lanced. Evenson in land is basically the complete opposite type of player than Lonzo ball where he really likes to dribble the ball up when he catches the ball in will in the half court, it's instantly going into the ground for a dribble rather than looking to move the ball on quickly. And I really think that it can be infectious with the way that Lonzo likes to move the ball to sort of create more three point opportunities not only for his teammates, but then with his own personal mentality as where where his scoring opportunities come from, at least how they did as a rookie that he will get up. Those will though shot. So so I certainly expect once Lonzo is more a fixture in in the lineup that the three point rate as a teen is is. Going to go up now. Can he hit those shots that remains to be seen. All you miss wanted to be there? No, he missed. I'm concerned. I'm with you one hundred percent I'm with and you know, the leakers medical staff is not given a ton of, you know, they've, they've turned that over a little bit, but they have not given a ton of reason to be out to mystical though certainly given the way that they have largely tanked the last few years, obviously not last year completed under pick, but you know, maybe their health record looks a little bit worse there guys just we're getting shut down. Anything else you see as a weakness here before we get into the predictions? No, we talked about the defense of stuff idea. I certainly have have a concern there defensively, especially sort of rim protection you, you know, we talked about devel- and his ability to to sort of block shots at an, but there are sort of awareness issues that don't discuss. But when you remove him from the lineup is if zoo Botts isn't going to play, there's not another big body back there to really be a rim-protector the now. Maybe you hope that like a guy like Brandon Ingram can develop in to this like Durant style rangy forward, who can like Joan shot in arenas of really shows he's not there yet. No, he's not there yet. You know what I mean? He'll have a few really spectacular blocks or once in a while, but overall the blocks and steals just have not really been there for him at any point is career even going back to his college days? Yeah. So I think that the defensive stuff is is kind of where we're looking at with a k. like Candice be turned from a weakness to maybe like league average or slightly above league average because that's where they're going to need to be if they want to be like a surefire playoff team who's like in that four or five range rather than in that, like nine through six range that's really battling for like not only positioning CD you have in last year, what were they fifteenth defense last year by points for possession. I think they tied for twelfth. Okay. So they were right in half of the league? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I mean, you, you know, they were in the top ten for a large part of the year and in. So I think that's one of the things that gives Luke Walton a fair amount of confidence that they're going to be a good defensive team. Do you know? Like I said, though, I have some. I have some questions about that. We'll see like I like Larry Nance as a defensive player. I did not like Jordan. Clarkson as defensive player just like I didn't like Isaiah Thomas as a defensive play right in. But I did like brook Lopez and I did like Julius Randle. And so there's been a lot of turnover with this team and how that how these new pieces translate to it, too. Ineffective defense is certainly going to be a main point that's worth watching not only early in the season, but throughout the year in the scheme is interesting to a by my recollection they had the most success release switching last year playing Randall at center MU. They'd go with coups Maza sometimes you in Randall together, but. The switch, especially at the end of games. I thought early in the particular they had a lot of successive just slowing teams down with that switching style in, you know, teams try to isolate on Randall and they couldn't get anywhere while Randall to me again wouldn't have been a great fit offensively. I did think it was a missed opportunity to just let him go rather than bringing him back up because I think defensively coulda helped them. And then you know, he's another kind of mismatched breaker on the offensive end, but he would have given them, you know, kind of more of a good theory at center than any of the guys they have. You know, it's either devel- or if it's j- availa Kuzina at dinner. You know, I like Randall better than either those guys and then you get into that switching scheme. And then you know if they're going to switch when jail isn't in the game, but they're gonna play conventionally when Gebreel isn't the game, especially for a team that has a lot of young guys or yoga is that you don't look at his particularly Hetty a, you know your Beazley's in your lances for example. Could it be the case that they switch up the scheme, but they're not really good at either of those. They can't play convention. Began defense and they can't stop guys by switching. So that's a concern to me too. I say though to that that last year last year they did do exactly what you described. They played conventional defence with rope has in the game, and then they went to a more switching scheme when Randall was was playing defensive center in the other Dimic Jong. Well, airs it didn't go too well, conventionally, though, did it, maybe you probably reminding Lopez. I think that Lopez was actually fine defensively, and and that early in the year when Randall was actually not starting and Lopez was sort of anchoring with Larry Nance and both those guys could play more conventional style defense. 'cause I actually think Nancy is better in conventional sows in. He has greater that those lineups fared fairly well defensively, and then they went to more switch heavy schemes with rand. Title and Kuzina as the center power forward com combo. And those did well defensively, I think where things started to go down downhill is when Nancy got traded, and it was Randall who had to sort of oscillate between playing conventional scheme as a starter, and then being in this witch heavy scheme as the loan big man, that things started to sort of fall off. Right. And then you have all the injuries lonzo's out for a fair amount of time in Ingram's out. And then now you've got is Ahah Thomas end and things are off the rails. Right? And now they're suddenly like an all authencity. So like I'm very just, like you said, like, I'm, I'm not discounting what you're saying in terms of switching up the schemes and and how that could be prob will problematic. We saw that last year in Cleveland, right? Like they really tried to go to this also which in skiing during the finals. And it was like layup after layup, with JR Smith and those guys on the perimeter defensively get lost Luke. Right. What you're saying is certainly an important point that that they did try that last year and it worked okay. And we've seen teams be successful with that as well. It's just there's certain guys on this team. I us you don't know about their their level of IQ for for these sorts of things. But yeah, that's kind of more of an totally Clary point. You know, I think it's more just a question of the personnel even necessarily than it is the scheme. And so a, I'll start by doing my prediction here. I have them for forty eight wins, which is a little. It's point five under their over under though I picked up before I knew the over under. And so the more we talk about this team, the less interested I get arms are not interested, but the less optimistic I get. But part of that is just because we have LeBron James is only like one data point, right? There's only so much you can say about, oh, we have the best player in the world, the best offensive player in the world. So we talk about all this stuff and you know it's boring, continue talking about LeBron jeans for an hour or so. We talk about all the other things all the other things. You know the there. Reasons for concern there, but there's also a reasons like I'm kinda like two-thirds. No, in one, third? Yes. On these teams on this team. Right? Like the defense is a perfect example. Well, okay, they can put out some pretty good defensive lineups maybe LeBron tries more. Maybe they go with more of the young guys, you know, maybe they bring in someone else via trade yet halfway through the year, but as it stands now, it's really hard to see like what the theory is of how they're going to be a good defense, maybe their average, but it's hard for me to see how they get there. But you know, at least with the way things are now, but you could very easily for see that guys take a step forward or you know, LeBron tries harder or whatever and you do get there. So I feel that way about a lot of these things. Same thing with the shooting in the lack of spacing, it's like, yeah, you know, I'm not sure if they're gonna team seems like less over parts. What they do is pretty good parts. And so maybe they do find a way to make it all work together. But if you just look at these teams kinda relative to other similar teams that didn't have the shooting and didn't have the. Either great switch guys or a really good defensive center, you say, aren't those teams run into problems? But the team also has LeBron James and they had these young guys who could really take stuff for. Yeah. No, I think I skew more optimistic than you so might predicted record is fifty and thirty two. So only to win tire and just slightly above the over or slightly taking the over. I think that they can be top fifteen defense. I think that they can have a top ten offense. I believe in their young players. I believe the Ingram in Lonzo are going to take a step forward. I believe that Kuzina is going to offer good scoring pop as as as sort of a six man and that he's going to find his stride as shooter in score or playing next to shock raiders like LeBron James on Lonzo ball and and will in Rajon Rondo. I think that Rondo old will ultimately eve- even if he's a starter to start the season, but he will transition to being the reserve point guard. They, he'll offer some. Some leadership and while still playing at a very fast pace with the second unit and and taking the ball out of guys like Lance Stevenson's hands and putting it in Rajon Rondo hands I think is is going to be a benefit to this team. I think that they're going to get strong criminal defense from Casey, p in heart. And I think the Ingram is gonna take a step up on the defensive end as well. He's he's really starting to show that he knows how to leverage his link. He's had some really good individual defensive games when guarding his his, his own man, and during this preseason and a showing a better understanding of weakside positioning in order to be disruptor by getting deflections and getting steals from those positions on the floor. And so when because of my optimism in those areas, and then you add LeBron James to that, that's where I think. Okay, like they're gonna have something here. Are they going. Be like challenging for the Western Conference finals or like mid fifties wins like, no, I don't think they're at that point yet, but I do think that there will be like in that fifty win range personally, do we probably introduction which I talk about for LeBron team every year since I've been doing this because the normal aging curve, which apparently doesn't apply to him yet. Usually would say that maybe LeBron is gonna take a step back this year. Now I think even if he doesn't lose an ounce of athleticism or announce a skill, I think just because of the lack of spacing they have in the same and also the fact that there are these other guys that are going to have the ball in their hands a lot. I see him having probably his worst statistical offense of year in quite some time unless some big changes happen just because there's going to be so much less spacing, the knees used to having a in his Cleveland days, and you know, even going back to know maybe I could see this season kind of being a little bit more like his first year in Miami where they had a ton of talent, but. Offensively they really disappointed because they just, you know, the pizzas didn't really fit together very well, and they had a lot of guys who need to have the ball in their hands. So I could see him taking a step back statistically, and then he's gonna be thirty four this year. And we've seen big time slippage defensively last year, whether that was invalid drying, whether that was just he wasn't capable of doing that level of effort, who knows. But it was that gonna creep into his offense of games, something that at least needs to be talked about. I mean, I'm done saying that, okay, this is the year that he's going to decline because you know, you're going to be wrong about that, but the web characterized it over these last few years is okay. So if every year there's a twenty percent chance that he's going to have a decline this year. You know, is this the year that twenty percent chance hits? Yeah, no. And I think that that's I think the the statistical drop off to me is probably more fair to say that that's coming due to all of these other circumstances. Rather than like a slippage in play. If not make sense. I just think that even even. If you remove questions about spacing or things like that. I just think that it's gonna take a little bit of time for both his teammates to figure out how they're supposed to play with him, how much control he wants to to to seize grab onto early during the season. Right. I mean, I, I could also see him just really reducing his usage Drayton sort of trying to fit in a little bit in power in these young guys than then you'll maybe that doesn't go as well. And it's like you know a month into the seas like, all right, I'm going back to play in the way I play. Yeah, like Jimmy Butler did last year for the wolves yuck kinda of the. It's an interesting comparison shooter by the way I am the best player on this team. Maybe I should be the guy. Yeah, maybe I should be right, dominating the ball and rut and creating more shots and and doing that. And maybe that's a way that this team finds their stride, right? Like look, basically last year's LeBron was this souped up version of Russell Westbrook. Right? Just in terms of like the usage and how. He was used. He had the ball all the time and everything went through him and he was LeBron James. And so it's like you've, you know, he's not like a six, four point guard. He's like a six, nine guy who's built like Carl, Carl Malone. He's basically got the ball all the time and he was walking triple double chance basically. And this year I think that that same production just isn't going to be there just based off the fact that no, like long term and and this is where I think the patients is going to need to be there for everyone including LeBron because long term, the way that this team is going to be at its best is if guys like Ingram and Lonzo in Cousy do take that next step. And in order to take that next step, they are going to have to up their usage. They are going to need to have the ball a little bit more and they are going to need to have an opportunity to try and then fail and then try and succeed. And then do that over and over again until the success. As far outweigh those failures because that's how you build a team, and that's how you get to the point where they are going to be good enough to be in that conversation as one of the contending teams ad. Do they make that jump all in one season? I'm not sure, but that's what's going to make this season like an amazing piece of theater for all NBA fans, especially for Laker fans, right? Because they're the ones who are going to be right there watching it every single game yet. I can't wait to see some of these Laker games on the west coast now that they're actually a pretty interesting team last year after being very unwatchable for three years before that. But now, of course it's going to be amazing dear for for good or for ill Rubik gun on for a long time here. But there's some talk about the team. What do you see the best case scenario for these guys? I think the best case is probably in that fifty four to fifty six win range. I actually went higher. I want fifty eight if it all works out. I mean, you know, maybe that mandates honorable. Yup. But you know, LeBron just look, right? I mean, we're talking best-case scenario. They got a lot of young guys who could hit here. Yeah, no, look, if if the defenses there, if the defense is there like, oh, suddenly like this team is like in that ten to twelve defensive range and steady at that, then sure. Then everything else falls into place because I, I'm not sure if besides Golden State may be, I do not believe that there will be a team in the league who can turn defensive stops in two baskets as quickly and as well as what this Lakers team will. And if they can play in transition at the rate in which they will try to play in transition, they are going to not only be such a fun team to watch. They're going to bludgeoned teams in the open court. They just have too many players who are too good in that area of the floor in in. So. Lie. In the best case scenario ch- is very dedicated to playing fast. Yeah, so he wants the coach is going to be preaching it. Their point guards excel at that, right. The pelicans last year were number one in pace out and and basically got there because after cousins shredded his achilles ten will will tend Rajon Rondo and drew holiday base bas- basically just pushed the ball down every teams, teams throat and Lonzo does that naturally like he does that like he breathes basically in in. So if they could actually turn defensive stops into transition opportunities. That's it. They're gonna be out will outta the racers and getting buckets liberally against a bunch of teams in will will in this league in in. So when you're talking about most realistic best case, if like fifty six or fifty, eight wins sure they could get there, but the defense has to be there to. That's how they do that. So worst case scenario is actually one other likely strength that we didn't. Talk about that. I'll get to here. I would say forty-one wins is my worst case scenario. I think I could see them being tenth in offense and twentieth defense, something like that. You know, I think that's that. That to me is possible. But you have to remember that LeBron James has his teams of over form their point differential pre much every year. I think that he was in Cleveland and he has been probably over the last two years linked best clutch playing in had one of the best clutch seasons of all time a year ago when he really decided to take over at the end. And again, it remains to be seen whether they play this way, but I'm guessing they probably will because he's pretty good at it. So even if it is they do have kind of that point difference. Remember the Cavs last year had a forty one win point differential and people say, all right, you know, clutch performances lock in there certainly is an element there. You know if your team is shooting seventy percent for three point range in the clutch, you can't expect that to continue. But with LeBron with the way he's able to play in the clutch, you expect that this team is more likely than not to overperform their point differential. So forty one might even be a little bit too low, but I think you know. Based on where I could see their offense, defense ranking. That's what came up with now. I had my worst realistic case at forty two. So you know, like I think that there is a variety of things that go in to that, but most of it is probably going to be health related, you know? So it's like, look, last year, Brandon Ingram played in in sixty three games. So he missed or no, I think Brandon Ingram is twenty nine games last season or twenty seven or twenty three games last season and Lonzo ball missed third, right? So that's fifty three miss games between essentially to of for for this year's team, two of their top three or four, four players. And if and if LeBron misses any anytime this season, and then you have any sort of nagging or recurring injuries to Ingram in ball that already throws whatever, like realistic scenario, like forget like best case. But just like realistic scenario as like, this is what we expect from this team this year, which is probably like mid mid to high four, forties. That submarine sat basically like. I just don't know how they survive even with improved debt that they have this year, which I do think depth is one of their strengths this year as well that they've, they replaced a lot of like or several non or fringe and BA players with real NBA players, right? Like Lassie than Tyler. Ennis got real minutes on mobile on this team. Alex Caruso who was a two way player at who I like, right. But he was a two way player and exhausted his time up with the big team like right Ed, Travis wear got real minutes towards the end of last season. Now, some of that was was related to Kuta core drew or like, yes, drooler is well, like, like, I mean, so they swapped out brewer like Lual. Dang didn't play at all last season and they replace those guys with players like land Stevenson and Michael Beasley and Rajon Rondo at an while while we can talk pluses and minuses about each one of those those players. I don't think that we can argue whether or not there. Actual NBA player. Sure. Whereas with some of those guys, that's actually the case, right? Like are they NBA players? And you would probably say, no, they're not so so eat, but even with that depth, if submarines could could could derail them, they could be, you know, just just like you said, instead of like a top half of the league defensive team, they could be around, you know, eighteen to twentieth and less to say the offense isn't one of those classic LeBron James offense of teams where they're in the top five unless to say that they are like have been. Yeah, like that's a problem. And could they be that? Yeah, they will. They could. I don't think that's going going to happen, but they could. So I'm with you right there. You said four forty one. I say that forty two is totally possible like I don't see it, but you know, I'm saying that they're going to win fifty games, but but but it could happen. I will thanks for coming on and going long here. Other so much to talk about this team. I still feel like we only grazed the service in like an hour and twenty minutes here, but let's do it again. Unlike midseason yet we also season, they'll be also let them know where they can keep up with your work. Oh yes. You could find me a foreign blue and gold that's formed blue and gold dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at at foreign blue, blue gold. I'm also on the Laker film room podcast, so you can catch me musing there about the Lakers as well. We'll be going to twice a week now. 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"As Thomas Rhett. Mason Ireland ESPN LA Momo's here. Lot of labar slash Lonzo slash big baller. News today as Alan foster, a close, and in once trusted member of the big baller brand has essentially allegedly stolen one point five million dollars that nobody can account for and joining us right now as Moore ISSA Mitchell who started as lavar ball's publicist, and now has written a brand new book about her experience Mercer. Thanks very much for coming on. How are you? Great. Thank you for having me on. Absolutely. So tell us how you I wound up working for lavar. Well, he trained me when I was younger. I was a aspiring basketball player and grew up dumb street from him. So we actually were neighbors and grew up together along with the family, and I reach out to him when his son kind of a Sunded to stardom having kept in contact with him, my father and is throughout the years. Our families having kept close contact together. And so I asked him if he wanted a book written about him, and he he was very excited. So what started out as a as an authorized biography later on became an unauthorized by okay? Unauthorized. What was your experience like working for lavar? Well, what initially was a writing job turned into a publicist job in kind of a catchall. I became their website creator the person who trademarks I big baller brand along with various other things and just worked directly under Allen doing basically, whatever he wanted me to do under the the verbal comment which having known lavar and his family for years over a decade. I took him at his word, which I knew Cam with the risk that I would be paid later on. And I never was. So I kind of just was left with this entire written book as well as many months of full time work for him done. And and kinda just kinda fumbling about not knowing. Knowing what to do so Mursal. One of the things that I thought was interesting about your book and just how you described the beginnings of the company and how it started. You actually created the website. Like there wasn't like a big t- signer or business operation like how did you actually create the big baller brand website that then started selling the shoes and merchandise? Well, Ellen just hold me. You know, I mean, I had had very minimal experience at that time. I mean minimum. Meaning I've literally just worked with legally. So he he told me it's not a big thing. You're an intelligent woman figure it out. And that's what I did. I learned how to put together website on my own and build a shop by site and on my own countless call to shop aside as their e commerce site for their shoes. And I figured it out. And that it was just that was just how it was. You know, like, we're we're building from the ground up in your part of our family, and and you're gonna come with a near going gonna go with us. And and I I took them for for that. And I believe everything and and Allen was really director of of all of the of the brand. So I did whatever he said, including Cresa website. We ever paid for anything. You did for the ball family. Time and Sakai with I had incurred costs through the website and getting domains and better. So how did they describe to you like when you would be paid or how this was going to work? You know, my my mom being attorney. She's like, well, we know we've known lavar fears that you really shouldn't not signed a contract. So I I really I really knew that I taking risk here and met the I own this. But, but he pulled me him an Allen full me that, you know, just just take out a word, you're part of this family. You are a part of the family. We we we will stand by you, no matter what. And we will. We will pay you in retro active pay for all of the time that you've full-time all the time that you spend not just for your publicist work. But also for writing the book. Bruce Mitchell is with us. She is written. We Ballin what I learned from lavar ball and the basketball business and bravado. The book is available and out there right now. So Meriva, by the way, you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles, Melissa tell me about the relationship and the timing that took place when Tina lavar wife had her stroke, and the way Alan would have gotten involved at that point. We really filled avoid when it came to what happens with Tina. And and I don't mean that in a positive way. I mean, I don't think anything would have transpired the way that it had had peanut not undergone what she she underwent. She he was a pivotal part and still is, but she's a little part of of that foundation of the ball family, and and when not not pillar was compromised, Allan moved in. And and and basically. I don't wanna see took power. I mean, I mean, but, but that's kind of almost what what it seemed like in in my book, lavar is neither good nor bad. If if there's any antagonist any anyone who who who's really in on the negative aspect of it is Alan he he as soon as Tina kind of Hake takes her false. He comes in. And he he takes over. When you were working for Alan. Did you have a sense that something just wasn't right? I mean, you didn't. I I'm guessing you weren't aware that he had served seven years in prison for mail fraud and money laundering. Of that, definitely. And I described in my book, like, even you know, he gave my dad that he sees the first time he met him. And and gave me he would not in. But how do you how do you pinpoint quality? And and they this is what I don't like about a person when someone that you trust as as a family member, you know, just just completely and utterly trust. Not you know, maybe. And I talk about this on the book. Maybe it's me. That's what I thought. I'm like, maybe I'm judging the person because if lavar puts his trust in person, and I trust lavar wholeheartedly than I'm be the one that's not understanding him. You know? But, but of course, they're always moments. And I talk about that on the book where I just really questioned like, and I always there's these red flags, and I just always ignore them. I know them, lavar. Would you say he's a victim of Allen foster? I think the last thing of would like to be labeled at victims weird weird even saying it but did did Alan foster play them. I think that there are it wasn't unfortunate set of circumstances that lavar himself terms of devastating for a reason. And and then yes, an offense. I do I do think I do think that. Yes. Mersa what when they were asking you to create the website and just figure it out. What background? Did you have like did you say, I don't really know how to do this? I know you went to UCLA. Right. So you have a college degree. But did you have any background in technology and business design, especially for something that was going to be a revolutionary thing in the in the shoe industry? No, I I was really forthright within two I told them, look, I'm very I'm less than an amateur in this department. You know, I have everything to learn almost nothing to give you other than, you know, my my time, I think you my time, and you know, my willingness and they said Allen, you know, said we'll take it. You know, whatever you can do we will take. And that's what I did. And I had I had to I haven't degree in English literature. You know, I don't know. I don't know, you know, a lot about technology to begin with didn't even know much about, you know, Instagram at the time. So I mean or Twitter or anything, you know. So so, yeah, I very forthright with them. I had no experience. You said you knew lavar because you were neighbors lived up the street at some point. How did lavar change from? Who he was when you first met him to who he became. You know, I part of the book is about. What happens to a person it kind of in this society? When when everything is is that happens to a person that happens to lavar happens to them, and and lavar he was just a straight shooter clear glass, just did everything he said, and I think that the the water simply muddy the little, and I don't think that that's necessarily all his faults. I think that losing a loved one to a serious illness. And and and you know, just and and the power and the money and everything it it may have an did change. And as it would most people I I saw a shift in him. And it was always around, Allen's it was always around this idea of of the bigness of it all of the greatness of it all of getting bigger and bigger and less about. Out, you know, just simply getting on the NBA because when I was growing up it was all about getting on the NBA became a little less transparent, a little less just just 'cause all our our nothing. Just it just became just unclear what what he wanted. I I don't know. I don't know if he's he wants now, you know, I used to know who he was and what he wanted. Now. I just don't know the book is called Rebollo, and what I learned from lavar ball in basketball business, bravado, Mercer Mitchell. Thank you very much for coming on. We appreciate it a lot. Thank you so much for having me. There you have that story. I yeah, I'm surprised. I was actually asking the question. Do you think lavar was victim of this Alan foster guy? But it sounds like he did it play. Okay. If you wanna go with that wrong with it. I mean, if he did not know this guy was you know, had had previous charges that he went to prison mail fraud. I mean, it sounds like this guy was a bit of a snake getting into this family and sort of ingratiating himself filling a void as she said. After lavar wife, and lonzo's mom Tina had the stroke and then allegedly stealing one point five million dollars from the company. I want to do something a little bit different here. So there's a bunch of stuff today about Jason Kidd, and whether he might be the next head coach of the Lakers. So it starts with a tweet from whoa JR. From ESPN kid will be among the serious candidates for the Lakers coaching job. If Luke Walton is dismissed league sources, tell ESPN that's expected to give give kids some pause on pursuing the cow opening. There was some backup on this. Marc spears kind of chimed in and said that was what he was hearing as well. Brian Windhorst said that in two thousand nine LeBron one of the Cavs to trade for Jason Kidd because of a fast friendship and on court bond, they formed in two thousand eight so it makes sense. The James would wanna work with someone who he considers appear in basketball intellect. Does that make sense to you Ramona Shelburne? I could see him get an interview. I could see there be discussions. But I think it's far more likely that if Luke Walton ends up being fired that he's not the coach going forward that Jason Jason is not going to get the job. Yeah. It's far more likely that he doesn't. Okay. But I can see him getting. I think the Lakers if they choose to move on from Luke Walton, which I guess, we'll know and if you weeks, right, right? That you know, that's a name that has voting out. And we'll Santa as well. I will just say this. I mean, I think we all know what's going to happen with Luke. I think we all know I mean, and he's he's a great guy. Love the guy. He was dealt. I think you and I had the conversation. He was dealt a terrible hand this year, by the way, you know, when we had that conversation. We said Luke was Dell to seven off suit at starts talking about poker. And now we're working on a poker tournament for June poker invitation was coming up in June. But it all started right there. Why June 'cause like I really free up in July well at because the NBA final because for us. We don't have the playoffs. We don't have the Lakers in the playoffs. I get it. So we got a bunch of stuff coming up. Like, we got our opening day party Thursday, clermont's galleon San Gabriel. We've got Ireland playing head to head with Travis. Rodgers golf on the opening day of the masters. We've got my movie screening with vendors game on April the twenty fifth. We've got some we've got the poker tournament. We're working on on a bunch of stuff simultaneously to make up for the fact that we don't have anything positive to say in terms of the Lakers. You know, I was thinking about this Mace last year at this time was kind of similar what's the record this year versus last year at this time thirty well this year, they're thirty one and thirty six and last year, they won thirty five thirty five games last. So how many more games there in the season years this pop quiz? No. But do the question is will they went as many or more or low? Yeah. Last year. Yeah. That's a good question question. Right. Let's talk about that next. Mason Ireland Momo's in for Johnny SPN LA. ESPN LA. What are you guys doing? Don't forget Thursday. Clermont's galley and San Gabriel. Opening day with Mason Ireland. That's this coming Thursday eleven am to three pm. We'll be live watching dodgers opening day with you. They do have spectrum there. See if you don't have spectrum at your house. He can watch the game with us or if you don't wanna pay open ticket prices again, you can watch with us. We're giving away all kinds of stuff including tickets to my next movie night, which is avengers game on April, the twenty fifth Mason in Ireland t shirts, all kinds of other stuff. Join us March twenty eighth that's this Thursday at clear men's galley in San Gabriel moments. Are you making the trip you come into Clemence galley? What day is it Thursday? Come on. Do it do it. That's really far from me. Do it. You know, call and good you. It's kind of far for me if it was like down the street or something, by the way, the dodgers rotation. At least for the start of the season is officially set the official home of real dodger Todd in John ru opening day. Ross stripling Kenta Maeda Walker. Buehler. Who is thrown a five inning sim game. I think it's today in Anaheim Clayton Kershaw by the way throwing a two inning sim game today in Anaheim. And then Julio Arrhenius will be the fifth starter Kershaw is nursing himself back to health working his way back. He's as I mentioned sim game today and Walker bueller. Sim games. Walker? Bueller will be ready to start game. Four Richhill starts the year on the injured list with a left knee, medial, collateral strain. He'll probably miss a few weeks. Thankfully, the dodgers. Are they've got a lot of starting pitching a lot. Starting pitching. Yeah. That's kind of how they've played it down whole time depth away. Look, I'm not a, you know, I'm not saying I am a great fantasy baseball general manager. Right. I did cut a call him. My uncle for some help last year. And he was going to say your okel won the league. Let me let me we did it. Let me explain this. So that people can understand Ramona is in my fantasy baseball league started in nineteen eighty eight. Is that crazy? That's amazing. It's and it's they're still like five players from nineteen Eighty-eight Ramona. When did you first get into the fantasy baseball league, I want to say three or four years ago three or four years, and you were awful. No, I finished like I finished third once before on my own did you? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I really did. I remember you being awful. I think you are out of it. I think I was awful one time because I drafted like over the phone as I was going to a playoff game because. Is your league has the draft. So late it's into the playoffs that I couldn't destroy person. And so like I had a draft of the phone when I missed the first two hours because I was flying Denver and. Yeah. Oh, so you're saying that's the only time where you you were the one time I was and also I was really busy that year doing something like traveling in the playoffs, and I did not make enough moves early ringer Oncle because his name, Phil. Because Phil because the draft again was in the middle of the first round of the playoffs because all of your buddies. Can't you're doing even the phone. I see I was covering the Phil drafting your team. Yes, we claim. No. But then I on the league. But I did all of the a lot of the managing during the year. We were a team. That's what a team is is. I can't be there in person because your buddies couldn't get their act together to get in the same place to do the draft. So you before like two weeks of the season started be a Kohner of a team. I know I just can I understand. We have a new co ownership. Situation coming in their heard and OJ Jackson junior. Who by the way, drafted a great team. The holy moly night. Yeah. And she's going to be a ringer in this league. So Molly, I talked to about this. I you know, how this happened. I said, you know, everybody wants you to play in this league. Because you know, I'm kind of busy. I've never done this before. But I'll you know. I I don't know if I wanna draft or pay all the money to be in this league, if I'm not really sure what I'm doing. But I'll consult okay. It's kind of like how I consulted on a basketball league once team won like okay because you're a ringer, Molly. Because you know, the way I base it OJ's probably gonna do the a bulk of the drafting because he was good. He was good. And then knowledge going to be an excellent, man. That's right. That's probably how it's gonna that's kind of what happened with me. And my uncle we were literally on the phone every single night the last six weeks of the season making moves and strategizing moves while I was like super pregnant like I was like eight or nine months pregnant at that point. And I was like hoping I didn't give birth before the last night of the regular season. We had to decide if we're going to pick up another holds guy, right like, Daniel waited. So that I could win the league very did very nice house baby baby. Almost six months. And you were forcing the kid to stand. I saw on. I'm like lavar ball leaning on like go, Katie. Or shouldn't. We got we got to learn how to stand what we can walk hall kid. I'm holding onto the to the table can hold himself. So he can stand himself well with by holding onto the table. Well, that's I standing that's really good. I mean, if I moved his arms right handed left handed. I can't tell yet. I think lefty because he always bites his left hand is that right Cam hoping left-handed pitcher stardom starting put a put a baseball on his hand. I'm trying I told you I was going to get that kid to walk at six months close. All right. So anyway, the whole reason I brought that up the depth of the pitching rotation. That's what you have to do. It's not about having like two or three stars. It's about having depth brushing death because shirt you understand what this. Changing right? Changing subjects. I went to see a movie on Friday. Which movie us? Oh. It terrified me. I I honestly I texted a couple of people afterwards and said, I was terrified if terrified it traumatize me. I really do think it traumatize me. It is so good. It is so scary. It is so creepy and by the way, it's also about something. I don't wanna I don't wanna say. Yeah. Too much because a lot of it mean, it did seventy million over the weekend, and and performed an unbelievably through the roof a lot of people haven't seen it. So I don't wanna spoil it for for you. But ultimately, it's going to be a great thing to talk about. It's like people with scissors, and yeah, you're d'appel ganger. And what you what you do when you meet your d'appel ganger. Oh, it's crazy. I'm a little scared. Mess with me. It's going to mess with you. But in a good way. Okay. I don't know if I'm ready to be messed with busy. I was from ties by this. So do you do that to you not your birthday movie? It was it was not my birthday do that. Because you know, I'm doing the new podcast oh with sue clinched gaffe. And so that's going to be one of the first things we do is talk about the movie us and the very first podcast. It's called culture pop will drop tonight. Very first one cool. Yeah. It's going. I'm excited about that. Yeah. Soom or than me. I like everyone like where would she be on your co host ranking? Oh, that's a tough tough question now. Well, she'd be pretty high. Yeah. She'd be pretty not as famous O'Shea or Freddie, you'd think I'm just hunting wjm. I'm not hunting fame. I think you're drawn to it. Like a moth rule light really think. So that's not me. I remained unimpressed. Well, I think your rankings demonstrate that will you're you're famous and you're not even in my ranks. So if I was looking for pure fame, I would put Ramona near the top near. Near those hedges. Exactly. All right. Rob gronkowski has retired for him. But maybe he's not officially done says agent. We'll get that coming up for you next. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA. Hey, what's going on Momo's in for John, by the way, mythical money bets over the money with three for four? I lost on liberty versus Mississippi State under the one thirty two but under the one thirty nine five Ohio State, Iowa State was Oregon plus two over Wisconsin was the winner. Buffalo, minus five and a half overs state was a winner. So I was up five mythical k I I mean, I would like to start gambling for real. I think you're kinda good. I've played poker with you. I think you're kinda got I would like to officially start gambling only problem with being somebody known as a good gambler or predictor or something that when you give advice on things. Yup. And then people take your advice, they blame you. It doesn't. Work out. Right, right. They get upset you. 'cause I way with you on that do pick, and you cost me fifty thousand dollars. And you're like, I didn't tell you to put fifty thousand tone, anybody to do anything honest with you. You know, what's a dime in betting ten something? Ten ten dollars. Yeah. So we came across I won't say his name an actor k when we were doing on Fox Sports. And he said I dropped a lost a dime on a game. I immediately thought holy hell. You're betting ten thousand a game which the largest Michael Pearson's in for Greg. Greg check, Michael what's the largest bet you've ever made. I'm so cheap. Dude. I would say probably one hundred hundred bucks, mama. Include stuff on the poker table. Oh, okay. What's the most? You've ever had a poker tournament real money in real money. Okay. Is this when I started with or when I built up to build up to okay? Couple thousand. Yeah. I've been in the thousands of Fokker, but not until I was up 'cause I played at tournament where if one it would have been like six or seven grand, right? But I if finished, and I I won like twelve hundred or something. Yeah. I wanna tell you a story. It was like the buying was for you know, it's kinda here. This is what I consider to be just crazy. So Duke was a heavy favorite. Yep. Against UCF university of central Florida yesterday. The game went absolutely down to the wire. And the ultimately there was one guy who made an enormous bet on the money line. Enormous bet on the money line. In fact, he bet fifty thousand dollars my gosh on Duke. And it was a straight up money line bet. So you know, what that means? It means that he to win forty five hundred and forty five dollars. He bet fifty thousand on the money line. So think about that I'm gonna put fifty thousand Duke to win the game while the money line is minus eleven hundred any only one forty five hundred dollars. Now, what is that terrible? That is the pointers point. That's like the worst gambler ever fifty thousand dollars is a terrible terrible bet to win forty five hundred. There's no stakes there the guy, and I have a lot of money, and it's just sport. Yeah. That's what that is. That's what that is that if you have fifty thousand dollars to waste on a bet like that to win less than fat literally has that means you probably have like fifty million dollars to bed in your pocket. Probably vol money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hope it somebody like that or flame weather because other. Yes, you're on the money team. That's that's another way to like. Oh, I lost. My earring my diamond earring in fell out of my ear. I should just go buy new one. Right. That's like that guy. And this is that his hair of some pretty stunning. Wow. No, it's one in five Quinton. The odds of getting every game in the tournament. Right. Has anyone ever done on his ever done? No one is ever done every single game. But there is one NC double A tournament bracket right now. That is perfect. Wow. And the first time ever somebody is undefeated through to two rounds? We never person is. Let's see do have his name. All we know is his bracket challenge name, which is center road center road, whoever that is his final four. And by the way, once you get through the first what is thirty two games. Wait a minute thirty two. And then another whatever it is the first two rounds. Once you get through that. And actually gets a lot easier. Right. He got the hardest part of the back. Right. The only thing that's hard is if you is if the real upset start going through like Oregon's twelve seed, okay? I don't really consider oriented Cinderella there from the pack twelve they went to the final years ago or twenty twelve eighth. Yeah. But like, let's say they would have lost to Irvine Irvine is in the Sweet Sixteen and it's still and it's really hard. Yeah. Then it's really hard to start getting those like last year. There was actually some people who had loyal of Chicago member. Never loyal. I do and the non where's the none? The lucky none. Yeah. Wouldn't lucky? The sister, gene. As I told you it's like survivor, the bachelor, I don't even remember who the bachelor was about her sister Jean. I wanna know who sister Jean has this year who's her brackets? Yeah. I you I don't know how to react to sister Jeanne. But that would be she's gotta be on Twitter. I'm sure your sister Jean on Twitter. She is. Yeah. I tell you the one thing and two years ago. I finished second last year. I wanted all this year. I'm leading everybody. Me. I don't have a system. I don't tell me. I don't know what I'm doing here. I know my way around brag the thing by a humble BRAC. I don't even this is a humble brag about myself. I write I'm impressed. Like, honestly, I'm humbly bragging I picked completely off the top of my head, right? This year because I did not have time to do that research and you're even by fourth or fifth right now. That's good with your system. That is well honed in me with off the top of my head are like a couple of games different. To make you feel good or bad makes me feel good. I'm winning. I'm winning once said to me this weekend. Why here why don't you stop looking at your brackets? I'm like, you don't understand this is we are betting. We are gambling. We are. It's I'm competitive anytime. There's like in our fantasy basketball league right now. Georgia's in it. I've now got an eight point lead on George Flint. Yup. Excellent. Only goes to George how you work in basketball. Yup. Because I see it in basketball. I'm sorry baseball. Yup. Because in the summer in less, I'm in it. Like, let's say I'm in the top, you know, like close to the money, right? The top three places. I kinda you know, I I play, but I'm not, you know, down to the wire every single night picking up guys to try to pick up on a wire every ninety minute the N last year, and you were still beating me out for players on the waiver wire up until the last few days. I'm like LeBron. I'm not going to cheat the game. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna cheat the respect that I respect it c- respecting while LeBron's doing. I thought he was gonna shut it down last week. I did too. I thought that might be it. And instead he went out and has triple double triple double there. Thanks. Here's what LeBron James said. Just my love of the game. You know, not to myself, you know, and obviously, you know, you know, with the fans continued on the show up even over noon. I know we're not making the playoffs. You know, by me on it to myself on a McAfee gives to our fans when I'm out on the floor. So you're not just appreciate him continuing to show up, and and they are still showing up. And did you see his Instagram post where you say I'll tell you about it next Mason Ireland Momo in for Johnny ESPN LA. I s panel Mason Ireland Papa was a Rolling Stone. There's a Papa in the news today. It is lavar ball Momo who's filling in for John has broken. A major story about lavar ball and a guy named Alan foster who worked his way into the family into a circle of trust. And ultimately allegedly may have taken one point five million dollars out of the company. So Lonzo ball belief that he issued a statement to that effect in the story that we wrote on Friday night one is financial planner guy. Humble, the conga conga pointed it out, right? So the way this unfolded is that over the course of, you know, the inter doctors I've seen looks like this took started taking place since last April that the warnings started coming the warnings really escalated around. October when Lonzo had already filed for an extension on his taxes, and the financial visor says, we really got a sort through this money that can't be accounted for because if you file tax return. And you can't account for this that you're you're you're gonna be in trouble. Right. And so rather than fire that tax return this financial advisor resigned right because he can't ethically. Do that right in this guy on foster is a guy who has a criminal record went to prison on mail fraud and money laundering charges then came out of prison changed his name slightly. He was we know him now is Alan foster, but his real name is Gregory Alan foster. There was just you know, when we tried to background him several times over the years, which you would always do with somebody in a story. Like, we're doing a cover story on lavar ball, Lonzo ball and starting of the big baller brand. Right. So Alan foster was lavar lavar said one of the guys who talked to talk to him about taking big baller from just t shirts and the slogan doing. This on their own, right? And part of the height machine that started around Lonzo. When he first started was lavar turning down Nike and Adidas and claiming I wanna billion dollars for my three sons because they're all going to the NBA. And that was a lot of the those sort of delusions of grandeur appears now, right? Have not come to pay come to bear. Right. They the three basketball playing sons don't look like they're all going to be in the NBA looks like lonzo's guy. Yup. And lamelo about lamelo playing spire institute in Ohio. He's gone to Lithuania. He's dropped out. Lithuania thing now seem so misguided that whole J B L thing. Mass J A that seems like it was just agree that there's a lot of there's there's I think there's a couple of lawsuits against them for not paying players. They even cover that in the Facebook show. So what I reported on them last year? I was actually pretty surprised by how much money and impressed really by how much they were making in the Facebook show. They were making several millions of dollars and the show did. Well, a lot faced. Yeah. It had views. They get like a million downloads on every episode. So there's there's obviously a lot of interest in it. But I wonder what this entire thing. Now does to lavar in his relationship with Lonzo. And again, I'll say Stephen used the term estranged today on when he was on the get up, and you would say you think estranged tomato. But it's but it's in the neighborhood. I know that. The family has been talking in meeting, and lavar, obviously if you read the story on Friday issued a statement saying family comes first and I support zone is decision. You know, I trusted Alan foster to manage. You know, my my son's business affairs. And I you know, now, I feel that he violated that trust. Right. I mean, that's that's his statement. And so. I mean strange is a little hard because to me strange Musial talking this rift. Yeah. But they have the hottest dad allowed this guy. Who's a felon to come in and run the company with them? What's interesting is I it'd be one thing if you had a criminal past but residing the company really well, right? If this had been a great success. People can have a second chance people. Can you know once you get mail fraud and money laundering that main? Sure, your tricky with your money your tricky with money, and that's what this guy was by the way, the hashtag that every Laker fans should look at and say, yes is hashtag my own man. That's a hashtag that Lonzo put out there in this may indicate that Lonzo is done being lavar, son. And he is Lonzo ball. Well, I'll be reporting on this for quite some time. I think and one of the things I think people I don't know if you missed it or just it was further down in the story. Obviously, the lower part, I scan every other word. The Lakers asked Lonzo about shoes keeps getting hurt. Well, yeah. And and by the way, it was pointed out did he this last ankle sprain? He was wearing big baller shoes. Right, right. He had three ankles sprains is year, he has had calf injuries, knee, injuries, etc. And but I don't know what's he wearing the big baller shoe each time. I think so. Wow. And the Lakers have asked him about that. How do you feel in those shoes? Are you comfortable in lonzo's on the record saying, you know, I'm comfortable if I wasn't comfortable, I wind wear them. But I'll I'll tell you this like you. He's already had one redesign of those shoes. And you remember after summer league when he played in his shoes and then stop wearing him. Yes. There was a redesign enough today. You imagine. If these injuries are related to the big baller brand shoes. What a tragic mistake that is. I mean, he's lost a year of his career now because of leg injuries ankle sprains. And in each case wearing big baller brand shoes. It's. He says in my story if I didn't wear these shoes I'd play in Kobe's, and I practice in the Bronx because they're heavier. We you know, he said he's open making modifications on his shoes. I mean, I personally think that is a reported just like literally off the top of the show. They've talked about folding the company they've talked about his managers on Instagram posting stories posting hashtag dump your merch that was an Instagram post yard more his tagline on the big ball on the bell in the family show has always been get your merch. Right. So. Yeah. Lonzo's post the other night lonzo's post was a picture of him with his number two in the rafters at Staples kind of like a spotlight on it in the picture says it's only crazy till you do it which happens to be the slogan or the last Serena Williams campaign for Nike, lonzo's Instagram and Twitter profile pictures were also changed to a childhood photo of himself wearing a Nike t shirt, Lonzo has deleted all social media posts involving big baller brand and his father. And his father. That sounds like. A rift at the very least and males intentional actions. Yeah. No, he's he's making in hashtag my own, man. You know this. I said this John always says don't hold the the you can't hold them responsible for the sins of the father. And I never did. But I also said, you know, at some point you're going to grow up, and you're going to be your oh, man, you're going to take control your own career dad's not going to run it. You're gonna run it. It's not an uncommon story. Kobe did that I you know, I brought up that parallel today. It's exactly what Kobe did do, you know the circumstances of that? Exactly. I know that he there was a separation between I know some of it. I'm gonna speak very generally. Because I I don't remember the very why don't you? Why don't you think it off? I'll read it. I wrote it years ago, but it was a few years ago. Mom had after fasttrack. Okay. We'll circle that. All right fasttrack is coming up next for your Momo last time. You were here. You said you were going. Make sure your questions I try to make them not suck next time. Are they're not gonna suck today. They won't suck. Okay. 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Week's Best: (LaVar Ball conversation, LeBron vs. Brady, Dak Prescott)

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Week's Best: (LaVar Ball conversation, LeBron vs. Brady, Dak Prescott)

"Welcome to the weekend edition of the undisputed podcast on your host. Johnny taft. Today's podcast features all the best segments from this week. Sleet of undisputed with end up interviews and discussions. We have a lot to talk about heading into next week skip, Shannon. Let's get to it. The NBA trade deadline is less than four hours away. Lonzo ball's name as come up in a lot of the rumors specifically going to New Orleans for Anthony Davis earlier this week lavar ball told ESPN, quote, I don't want Lonzo in New Orleans Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I'm going to speak into existence lavar joins us now. All right, lavar while. Long here. Yes, we got a couple of hours before the trade deadline. What are the rumors? What are you hearing about the trade? What am I hearing? I'm not hearing anything. I'm just saying, you know, what I totally goes longtime ago, if you trade my son, it'd be worse than you ever. Did. And I guarantee they try to my son. They will never get a championship. Because what they do is be the one hitter quitter trying to get all these players. Okay. Thank you gonna win a championship you dead in exist. I'm just trying to may trying to do it like this where they getting all these players to play coach had a coach you out of luck. So you can get as many players you want. If you don't have a system or you don't understand what you're getting ready to do. You're not gonna win. Okay. You can get everybody has good. So you're saying LeBron James without Lonzo cannot win a championship in Los Angeles. Lebron James without Lonzo is not going to win a championship in LA. I guaranteed at the bar. You understand? I skip. An I can criticize a coach or player, blah, blah, blah. But we don't have a son currently on that team or currently play. It you understand how people look at that. Like come on the ball. You think I care? How people look, I know. I know you don't care what I'm saying on keep doing what I do. They can't do nothing about it. You know, what this situation about to get hot awesome? Oh this big bowl of water. So I'm gonna tell you some specialist bidder. You ain't gonna never ever see African American on the water. But that's Lonzo ball special about. I don't care. What it wasn't? It will make you better with your own nitrates. You know, what that means to pure as water? You can get untouched by human hand comes straight from the war right into the box this pure phrase, no straight from Lithuania. I was just gonna under water imported water drink again twenty years, really taste smooth down your throat, you water water will we'll it makes Shannon bigger. I wanna know it makes Shannon healthier. I don't think Santa can get no bigger. I tried to get. Okay. Back to our risk. Program. Here's the trade. Yes. Why did you go on record right away and say, I don't want my son in New Orleans don't wanna live in cold. And they got a point guard over there already got some things don't have a point guard. I say they do but guard. We don't like living in the cold. Okay, boys. Living in Kohl's is it. Is it out there? And we as you know, what I'm at right now. Cleveland if cold man, I was in the Arctic blast what Arctic blast. I learned about it to the other day. My all trolls, how can you mind? But but going like that. I'm not in a one eight acquitted thing I'm thinking of Phoenix like this. If you get Lonzo get Jehlum. Get mill for Phoenix famous thing is on the fact that I'm not trying to just go on and play. I'm trying to build a dynasty. Okay. So you're going to the worst team in the worst thing they came to go up. Okay. But they got to listen to. Let's go play. Alway boys is winners can like I said, Lakers, turn them into lose. But remember nuance at point guards got Elfriede Peyton and Tim Frazier. And Jack's point guards those point guards over there. You can't compete my son better than the okay? What is show me show? You gotta go there on my show you in Phoenix the sun rises over. There. Does your son would take that? May. Here's the thing. Do it by yourself. That's why I'm in the building a dynasty where you bring other two boys. A never worry about leaving. And just before things take off how you beat the Lakers, and you had a number two pick multiple times and before something can jump off. And nobody's done anything. Okay. So hypothetically, let's just do this. If your son goes with Kouzmin Ingram and zoo bots in whatever to to New Orleans. That's a pretty good nucleus. Do you not trust those other kids to rise with your son? Here's the thing. Those other kids are gonna rise my son whoever plays with my son's going to go up a factor. Lonzo's not playing now players who thought was good ain't that good. Like this new same thing happening. I mean players you hear about it UCLA right now TJ lease E, K, whatever you hit by nothing. The lawns was not there to make them. Look as good as they are. Brandon Ingram struggling heart struggling Kouzmin struggling. They all struggle. If Lonzo ain't in the pitcher is it possible that when you declared I don't want my son down there. New Orleans that you blew the trade up if the trae blow up on well, I'm just letting you know torpedo the train on. Oh, no, why torpedo you've got a lot of players to choose from son. Good. That's what they say. So taking them other guys. But he must be a big part and say, this is where people say, you know, what everybody gets traded then going they way and you say the same thing. I don't say nothing he can't say. And I don't mean like I say what I want to put it in people's heads and them. No. We don't want to be there. If I don't want to beat it. Don't take the guy. That's like having a girl, and you say, we'll she show pretty, but you can't make our love you. She says you wanna go to all the way you can bring your opening visit a range married in the Middle East. You can who going to the Middle East is very Mandy already over over five. I if if you hear coming up at three o'clock eastern, noon here that your son has been traded New Orleans. What are you gonna do about it? What am I gonna do about it? You gotta go over there. But you can't make him play. So would he it? Jesse? He won't do whatever he want to do. But you do you talk. I heard him say that Utah. You ain't going hear nothing because you don't wanna talk to you. 'cause he knew how you are gives me. So I tell them don't talk. Negative on us speak up. Thank you. Do. I know. Yeah. I know very negative. No. You know, I know you negative my problems with you, go it. Haret and having a son that's only team and being hypercritical of sad players in coach of that team. And what and what is your grandma until you just? Just because you can speak. It doesn't mean you shoot hardens speak. It. I'm gonna what you missing to grandmom lot to your grandfather. Oh, I never heard him say outside sometime standing over there sitting in the rocking chair with your grandma all the time, though, you labar not you know, it if us a coat at another and another parents kid with on your roster, and they criticizing your sons or the criticizing you, you're not gonna take candidate labar because you take. Now, do you? Dome that. Offer. You don't take little bosses. Yes. I do know never been heard skip criticizing many times, and you're still getting loud because you may. Because you may use labar new played in fail. Okay. No criticism comes along with being lead. So while we worried about this. If I'm if I'm if I'm Chris. I'm going criticize why when things go bad, always criticise. I don't sit there and just take hold on. But see you keep fate. If Luke Walton is this will tell me your new world. Oh, what a minute. Tell me. They just want to say thing. I dare you to say loan was right. Oh, no. You keep saying Luke Walton is this one that one right? Does the Lonzo bear any culpability in this? No here. Here's the thing. Mitt lawns will do what he do. Let him win. How it works lavar going in for the last few years, which are winning what you feel it. He went to the Sweet Sixteen hunting. Ben one thirty something games. They'll hang for that. He won thirty something games. He won. You know, what I totally would tell you what I'm telling break down lousy. Don't have no excuses about nothing. Listen to listen to listen to me, son, go get their championship UCLA. They'll get it. He owned his way to get it. He owned his weight to get this to me the only way to get it. But he can't get why because somebody on our side Tex while something to get him out his mind in tex- to deal with his mom. You don't know what's going on. But he ankle say nothing 'cause this is the way our bready. So why ain't nobody do that? Do just what I wonder, but I go into that. Because I don't want the family thing to go upside down, right? We're should never been done because I was gonna tell him. But it's Texan he found he found. Okay. If he thinking. Regular can't think of his mom's going in the next day. We'll come back from there. I told you Go Italy redo assigned. Go do what you gotta do. Right. Got her. Right. Let me but my boys. Okay. Do they not do that going forward? And that's what tolls them, but you know, put that out there like that you play the game. But he's still young never had been in that situation. Do what you're going to get your ass over there and play. But I gotta she's going to be fine. And you did not go. We didn't go to I want. I think I'm not gonna say my son. I have to go write go here. Right is important, but mama. Gimme more. By the way, he took with TJ leaf and they went to Kentucky, and they beat them before. But when you're mining writing right and thinking about other things, there's no way you could perform like that. What about what about the unrealistic expectation? What do you mean by the here's the thing unrealistic expectations? Make us the big baller. How did you come into a league which own brand? You know, anybody say never been done before why? 'cause expectation is so hot you're not even approach that. I heard something you said yesterday, you said Luke Walton his turn my son into a loser. Hold on hold on skit loser. Okay. You can be on a team a lose. But not be a loser. I'm a firm believer losing a mindset. Okay. Got it. He got a great mindset of losing new poll. They lose in for three years. Great mindset for losing. Tell me this. Okay. Lonzo is a winner go to some league. And I know you're gonna say somebody just somebody. What's the difference between some really in prose on the fact that a lot of them? The coach did a heck of a job. How does get envy? People don't even playing last game. Because the coach was doing the somebody. We're going to do what you get these triple doubles half on do what you do. But having to the winning staying in the game. Okay. Hold on. He couldn't get the championship. This will be made for and then when the season starts. Starting playing for five minutes put him out. No matter what sitting down for disagree with that, twelve minutes. But when he played in that game when he's bowl out of control, guess what we pull back and forth. Let me go. That was his second came loose, man. Okay. But then you don't start me in the fourth quarter. How do you feel about that? If you've been playing a whole game is whole life his whole life. You've been like let me go get these winds, and you'll believe anything like that. Out, and I'm just don't go to work and do what you want me to do whatever. No. You can't have that. Here's a here's a mindset to give. Oh, everything's so good. You don't need to score a win. So now, you tell him that. So now, he's just going to say, okay. Basically, you tell them that you ain't got whereabouts going just do things. He's doing everything else. I'll tell you to score the win to beat a player that you've always got to be threat a threat. But now you say you don't have to score. But now you wanted to make free throws. Now, you wanna make three pointers? How about you? Tell them go out there. And do what you do. And we will have no problem because he'd been scoring all his life and people tell me about the jump shot and all this which rather have a guy who has a perfect form and jump shot and can't make dang bucket guy with a raggedy shot, but always makes the game winner. Well, something you also said lavar you called some of his young core raggedy as well. So we're going to talk a little bit more. We'll take a quick great. Okay. Conversation from over one a good because. Through thirsty. Welcome back down. This lavar ball still with us. And we have lots more to get to we do. So I have said many many times on this show. I don't like the way Luke Walton has handled. Your son starts in place him for five minutes. Yanks him sits in for a whole quarter. I don't get it. Can you explain can can Lonzo explain through you the psychology? This what is operating in Luke's head? What's his attitude toward? I don't know. What is editor to toward Lonzo is? I don't know if it's a jealousy factor or old school where they say you got to go through the veterans. Correct. Everything is changed is this is on different. Back in the day. You go have a back court. But it ain't gonna be no three hundred million dollar back court was everything is today. You got CJ McCullough got got Kawai and Laurie death three hundred million dollars invested in team now. So rough. Exactly. So things are different now. So you can't go on at all you gotta learn from vet. You gotta get under a wing. You gotta do this. Why didn't magic intervene? That's what I'm saying. Because magic I think is is from my point of view. Now, listen to talk and stuff like that. He's just a face be his say so was like his say, so really no it's not because he told me some things that I thought I should have been done. There's nothing we'll get who is in charge. I'm trying to figure out who's in charge. That's why the system is Crumlin down for. I don't know what's going on over. There is just a his yard Jeanie Buss. She just this stuff. Does. She says she the one who told magic to to get Lonzo so say if she said don't want him under the bus. If magic while you didn't get FOX. And there's somebody above you said that you don't give I think I like this guy little better than what are you there for? Okay. What is your biggest issue? With Luke Walton was my biggest issue with new Walton is the way he plays. My son. New. That's my talk to Luke about it at all. I never talked to how I'm gonna talk to rob. A magic ain't gonna talk to loop. He's. Why are you? Control magic. Okay. I can talk the magic and rob. Because guess what? If the game is going on here coaches down there. Right. We in the back room, where am I ever gonna talk to him? I'm gonna go to practice and be like, let me talk to you. I always my time going to practice. Okay with how about this skills me little run? Thank you. Can I talk to you for a minute. No. You was quite all was quiet. Little blue book. You little blue book is allows you to go overseas. Yeah, belgium. Okay. They got her for her. We heard not allying heard you over there. They can't get the station in over their loss. Excuse me. Can you give me skip? World. Can you hang on one time? So I can use them to work from you. What was? You reason we? That was going on out as I'm over here. I'm not I did took the J A over there and whoop up on all European teams. I told them they were trying to beat me too. Because I told him that say your engine gonna tap out. At one twenty we go to one forty you would never beat us. You know? I mean, they had to take a picture with me after losing. They didn't want that pitcher. But if you don't change the in that car you never win. So I keep going out want them. You guys can't catch me. We too fast, and I'll say the system, and I got in place very successful on the UC on high sane and UCLA. If you listen to me you won't win. But there are part is why we gotta listen now if you wanna win listen because I tell you how to win my system is full proof. Very success. Lou gonna get fired anytime soon as. Anytime some players wanna whoop you'll ask you got to get up out of him. Talk it out the right people to talk it out with hollow is reported. It was devel- Beasley come on. Now, though that look maybe maybe if his Brandon Ingram Cousy or maybe a case EP, okay, I can get they might want to do it. But they not bolt like, but I'm saying you don't been on Tintin. You don't been living team? You know position to talk about talk about your playing time something going on that you don't like, well, you can talk about that. If somebody come at you and call you selfies and. The way looking at it like how can I be selfish? I'm only out there for ten minutes. You'll be easy self is in ten minutes. I don't know HOGAN going ball. You only get in ten minutes during the ball. Come to Tila Getty. Coming down, lavar. Would it be best for Lonzo to be traded? Here's the thing. It'd be best for Lonzo to be traded or get a new coach you want new coach. Guess who it is? You looking for coaches in Brian. Endorse. Ron right on the bench. No, everybody already. I watched him coach the game after he went out. He he did in every with this. But but most of the guys who's usually the best coach after the head coach gotta go is a guy that's being quiet as the assistant coach can do the same thing with black Tiro, Tyrone Lou knew all the right things to do. But he knocking this guy who's the head coach. But I tell you all answer to their reading he'll get along with Bryan, Bryan, Bryan, look, and look and be like, you know, what the ball going in-laws those hand I want you other guys sprint down out of the way. Don't be put your hand back about. Hey, I'm dribble up this time. We're going to set to offense. Lonzo does best flying down in court. But if you got four people back, you're like, this you take away that long past that, you might see it once or twice. Hey can do it. Ten fifteen times a game. If you run, okay. I'll get an and I've said this. He does a great job running the offense getting. The ball up the rim of the oppose the other spraining court. What happened in the half court? And have course, it to Lonzo. I mean, why because you can't run every play now Levada stopping you watch any teams anytime. I boys play we fast-break every time. Showtime, Lakers did not run every single plate. Are you out your mind? You look and see what they did you go back in the day. And tell me how many half court times, they did it because you know, why why did it up twenty and Korean get down? And there've been timing Scott exact Pat Riley, they dump it out. They dumped down time come out in the bar. How many times a bunch of times, you gotta be crazy. You need to go back and watch that I watch. Watson. I glanced at them. But you didn't you didn't hear and watch him. Like you supposed to hey, tell me that worthy gonna run a hundred miles. Byron Scott ain't gonna run a hundred miles an hour. All those other guys that was a straight run. That's why they call it Showtime. All the halftime though. They didn't they didn't call it. But they didn't ruin every single. Okay. Well, one hundred possesses. They ran ninety seventy. Okay. That's a lot of okay with a lot. Of course. What's the have course it when they when they when you. When you transition deep when I bought a ball, lonzo's have court offenses nonchalant dribble half-hearted pass off to the wing. He goes in the corner. What kind of what if a guy who makes everybody better? Why do you put him in a corner? Will you get what you wanna do? Have course it. How would you have to have top screen and roll very simple? Let him the ball when he throws ball. Guess what don't dribble shoot very easy? So you eat. So he needs to be in the system with the pick and roll. Now don't don't pick on him as being a system where y'all give him the ball every time and let it make the decision with the ball. And you other four guys if you don't get a rebound sprint. It'd be the first one on the base of their easy. And you know, you know, who can do this. We ought to Phoenix in my other two signs. They will sprint to the baseline every single play. They don't get you do know. Guess what that ball coming out? If you notice this guy on lonzo's team wasn't name. Lonzo is not the best player on that team. Are you crazy? Are you say better, lavar? Yes, we'll see you on that. I'll lose your, Dan. I lose again, you can't go there. The point getting older. I mean. I'll make zone better than the if I'm coaching because I'm gonna let him loose, and you're gonna have HALE and you want to coach in Phoenix then coach, and as I'm just giving them the first right of refusal like did the Lakers trying to get the boys. You don't wanna miss find somebody gonna take all through my boys? Go somebody going do. Good close in age. We got a lot of the. You ruined it by talk about Lonzo is better than LeBron. You know? That's not true. You know that why would you be why why why why? 'cause 'cause LeBron been and leave for fifteen years. How do you judge? Lebron been better than my son. I ain't gonna say nobody better than my son don't care if my son can play which I know what I became his shooting in passing plan and running the Bronx hurt getting old. He didn't. He didn't know. I tell you this. He can't go allows on break, lavar, K move guys shooting. Twenty three percent ten percent from the free throw line. How can you be better than the goat? You talking about percentages shooting on free throws tell me about no free. What about him? What about him in the Bronx? Tell you what he'd been leading long time. He's not able to make no free too. He's got some forty percent never shot twenty percent from the three point line. He ain't got us through twenty percent. Okay. Home cares about the percentages of the shots. You know, what I care about where the winning you'll get shoot twenty percent. But if you make the game winner everytime suits 'have-a-go game with humidity. Many big shots when it's time to make big big show. Big time you've been on the free throw line. And it's time to make it at the end man, if the games in hand we down by one or two he gonna make this stuff right more as no big deal. You've gotta fix the free. Throw do that got to be fixed? The free throw. Thanks the free throw. You tell him a couple of things making make them right up. I'm not gonna tell why go advertise it go. New fix all though. Will get a new coats our fix all that. It's a couple of things. I gotta say. Lonzo shots. Very easy. Three throws is not a big deal. Here's the thing about free throws shoot him any kind of where you want. It's a mindset can't make the free throw when you trigger your mind. You could practice all day and practice and you can make fifty in a row, but you get to the game. I mean, you just throw them up there. No. But if you say certain thing that makes him I know what to tell you all his free throw. Why are you undermining system? On you to help them here on. No hell bye. All right. Break your we're still not. With more gall is still with us in the VAR. My question for you. Yes. And be honest about the trade. Rumors with Lonzo truly mentality is so important in the same where is his head at with his name being in the discussion. Truly me truly personally. He's like whatever you wanna do is fine. That's that's how role came out like me with man. He not gonna get an attitude. He not point fingers shooting more light. He's no, no, no. You can't be like, you gotta be like, I gotta be like himself and onto my boys. I don't try to be like each other beat be who you are. Right. And and coming from south central. I'm gonna be a little more boisterous. No more meaner alpha dogs are gonna come from. They not going to be team players not too much on the fact that they trying to get out of a situation. So they're gonna be like man, Saul me for my family this as opposed to. Team oriented, I've been to shelter my boys and chino hills. You ain't gonna fight. Nobody. You just good come on work outside. And you have a good time. Right. So his mindset is like well have you wanna guide me if you with me? Whatever you want me to do with. No, I'm not going to be like, even I want to say, he not going to say that he just going to be like, you know, what if you try me I'm gonna make this same goal. If you keep me, I'm gonna do what I can't make this team. But if you keep me in Luca's hair, Lonzo understand loyalty, the point of no return between him and Luke Walton is no return. No. Because now that is retired over no matter what he does. He can be like the best player. We're gonna start your all the time. Okay. Into you have attitude and do something again. So I'm intrigued by your your idea of building a ball dynasty. Yes. With the Phoenix Suns. Yes. Because you're going to the bottom of the toughest conference. Right. You're saying we're gonna build it from scratch, your, including your other two sons gotta be gotta be have you spoken to anybody with the sons about this idea. I haven't talked to anybody about this is all this is all me if they wanna listen to it five somebody is going to be out there. And like, I tell my boys. You end up. I think everybody ends up what he's opposed to be. Everybody ends up. We're got us. If you put the time in to get where you want to be or you don't put the time here. So don't get mad. If you down here and don't get mad if you up here if you put that time here, and that's why that's why I look at things like this. Like, I've always taught my boys. It'd be the best players in the world. And we just getting started five years go by some guys me where you think is gonna happen, man. My boys would be the face of the NBA because everybody's gonna be getting no. Everybody get going to be coming in light. And guess what? When you build it from the bottom up. The foundation is good. That's like the big baller brand. We still talking about it. That was supposed to be hit and miss house win the league is done deal. And all of I heard from saying that's because you're looking at me as lonzo's dad and not as the CEO of a brand not of what I'm a businessman. I gotta go do other things. I can't just be sitting there and people what we say this about that you not because I got two other signs as not in the league. And I gotta do some other things to get him noticed to getting because bottom line is is point as to get all my boys in the league. Second thing is I want them all on the same team. So however that happens, that's really odd. Like a billion billion? What's the odds coming in league, which brand how about phobia one? But what if it doesn't happen? What do you mean was I'm going to keep working till the does. I'm gonna keep working until the dozen. Guess what is going to have somebody gonna be? You know, what this this this this really works? How good could the youngest son become youngest could be the best one on the fact that he gets the watch the other two jello has the potential to be the best on the fact that he the biggest strongest when is he now height wise who's that mental six seven six seven six seven. Could he be six I told him? He's going to be the tallest about six as nine easy. Everybody's going to be over six six six. So everybody's six six and above on the fact that they get a couple of more inches from my wife being six one. True. So lamelo. Shooting goes, he's by far the best right shooting goes. No, Joel Joel generals the best gore. My family, really, yes. My far gentleman played on everybody's team. That's the middle piece. Does great would hit. Nobody mellow does. Great with any respect for the middle. Nobody don't respect your colours to guard NBA. What what what what is it about him? A what is it about his game? They don't like what is it about his game? Don't let they love his game. But being in the middle. You gotta. You've got to kind of take what comes with that middle thing, which is not a lot. You can't can't free Mazdas. Even though I've got three miles jello. Jello in the middle had to take a lot of flack the reason. He drafted situation did all my boys. But I told him you take one from the team for the team. And this I explained to him. You know, you shouldn't did that you go to UCLA ball out of control your top ten. Pick lavar does then get money we go, right? But by doing that, I snatch Melo outta chino hills. How UCLA I go overseas. Make connections over there without that. I don't have no water j I don't create the. I don't go overseas. All this stuff doesn't happen. I said that we find. So you make you make the best of Bassett. Well, yes. And so that's the route he has to go now where everybody has to say, you're not that good UCLA, and he lightened up. And now he's tan pig now. I don't worry about no other league. I mean mellow chino hills. Let him do what he do. But we don't we don't do. These other avenues nothing is created by. I don't have a home league ball mill of eligible man for college. I wish more time. So far. Thank you. Hey, everyone Jenny Taft tier? And thank you for listening to the undisputed podcast. If you like what you hear? Then you should subscribe to the first things first podcast, featuring Chris Carter, Nick, right and Jenna Wolfe. The first things first pod breaks down the biggest stories in the world of sports. So if you like the NFL and college sports, then you're going to like this podcast. The first things first podcast. The first things first podcast drops Monday through Friday with a special weekend addition as well. And be sure to catch the show live on TV before us every weekday at six thirty AM eastern now back to our show. Lebron do have something in common. They both been to their respective championships nine times, but one big difference Brady just won his six title on Sunday while abroad. Well, he only has one three after Brady won another Super Bowl. Lebron gave the ultimate props to Brady with this tweet calling him the goat with six ring emojis, so Shannon. What what do you make this tweet? What do you make? Lebron is acknowledging Brady's greatness. This is not a new opinion for him. If you remember after that twenty eight three comeback in what would that twenty sixteen? He did the same thing. He tweeted something that that Brady was to go. He even posted almost like a salute him saluting on the uninterrupted of him saluting Tom Brady. Greatness acknowledges greatness understand greatness game as as we say game recognize game. So you know from one to another. You know what I'm saying? Something some guilty like how? You walking down the street and animals woke up to one another dog to walk other. Like, oh, yeah. You don't know. Yeah. You'll you live around here me too. Yeah. In a big dog knowledge is a big dog like yeah. Like, okay, Brian. You you go. Yeah. You got a big, you know, you got a beard. The nobody doing. And beer. Rehabilit-? Yeah. But you would understand. But anyway, I should've worn your goat, man. That would have been. On that. I just didn't want to rub it in your. Yes. You totally respected. Flight you were in across the. Lebron? Yeah. Lebron does understand that. When you look at Tom Brady thirteen AFC championship games nine Super Bowl, always in contention. And even when Tom Brady isn't in contingent Zuber bowl. Yeah. The AFC team that is that does represent the AFC probably had to beat him to get there. And LeBron James, you know, he might not always win it. But when he was in the Eastern Conference give. If he wasn't you had to beat him to get there. And now there's a good chance he might not be an NBA finals ever come the west go probably have to go through him. So in other words, he's well unless he's just watching the whole playoffs from home. I don't know. It's possible you feel comfortable. Still possible. That eight possible. And the thing is LeBron also skip. By any metric when you look at Tom Brady what he's been doing of his career. Tom did not play particularly. Well, yes. That last let the touchdown winning drive. He made some clutch throws. But throughout the entirety of the game. Tom play football. He threw an interception. He's a couple of passes through to sixty six that the standard. If that what we're gonna do for Tom Brady got it through from violence polo got it through for five. Oh, five a guy threw for four something and another four something now to fifty two if the goal six, okay? Okay. Two hundred three tone for one twenty four. But this is Wade Phillips and that defense that firepower to sixty six is highly respectable. Go ahead. The if I know. You're saying those get so so all I'm doing is. I'm comparing Tom Brady Tom Brady. That's all I'm saying in LeBron James who just giving him say brook from one to another. One goat to another. So I I saw this for the first time, and I saw all those ring emojis two three four five six six ring emojis. And I thought so LeBron is saying six rings equals goat. Correct. So then I don't know why my mind just wondered back to this guy. I used to know in love this guy, Michael Jeffrey Jordan in he wants six rings in six tries was six in BP in. So I started thinking we'll does that mean that those six rings? Also equal goat in basketball because two plus two equals six to me. I know stop them because I think LeBron inadvertently authorized the basketball goat being non J. No. Even even when Tom skip what you're trying to future trying to do. And I caught on early. Glad I did. We what you try to do. You're trying to equate who ever have the most rings. And that's rings is not that it is hurting banner in golden age because there are more players and even the more complex player. Bill. Russell has five more rings. Then Michael, Jordan. He has his many MVP's as Michael Jordan. So let's talk about the player who has only three ring. Yes. Name LeBron James who fairly recently said on more than an athlete. He's sitting with his guys he grew up with obviously. So he was pretty full of himself because he's speaking to preaching to acquire that loves him go. Yeah. Congregation, and he talked about coming back in two thousand sixteen in the finals on Golden State from three to one down in the quote was that right there made me the greatest of all time, they meaning the warriors where the greatest team ever assembled in the way, we came back was really something special. Said the guy who thinks he's the goat. Who is the Foget? Who is really James stop us. Oh three how can how can with a record of three and six in the finals? How can you make the case that that right there made you the greatest player ever because that greatest team ever assembled immediately? According you've talked about the antidote several times, but Draymond green runs into the parking lot in tears and calls. Kevin Durant and says may need you. Yes. Please come and say us, right? And when I look back at that, Golden State team Steph Klay, Draymond. I'm thinking greatest team ever symbol now that I can see it with K D. And now that I can see it with DeMarcus cousins, I say that is firepower that's nuclear that team in two thousand sixteen was was not that great. Okay. Would you say Sambol decay D when he joined that team the next two years? Did they win seventy three games? Are they gonna win Saturday better? Yes. Are they going to win seventy three games? Because the reason I think they learned their lesson. Doesn't matter. How many games you? Well, my door and has the arguments as well with the still the greatest team because we went seventy two in ten and we won the title. You can't say you the greatest team when you're seventy three and nine and you lose up three one the question that I have. And I've always asked this is it better to get swept in the first round or get knocked out before you get to the finals or the Super Bowl and having intact resume in championship games. Or is it better to get there and potentially not win. Michael Jordan the first round. Michael Jordan got a law. Got a lot of AOL before he got to define once he broke through how many first round exit city. He had none. He should have won eight straight. But he was forced to take to you out eight straight with a pretty much closed the cave. What if you get no argument with skip? We can't do hypothetical because I believe had Karen Kevin love not got hurt. I'm LeBron James and sitting prettier. So I look back at the twenty sixteen warriors if I just go asphalt on if I go park on you. And I say we're at the park, and you're choosing upside skins and shirts, and you're looking at these guys, and you see little staff and medium-sized clay and medium-sized drain on they tops on your list. You're gonna pick them fast in the park. I pick. Picking cable love. Well, how about Kevin Durant? Once he got there. Everybody's gonna say I want that monster get on the markets cousins. I want him but hold on. Right. Kim rehab opportunity to face. Lebron James that you remember because he was in the position that the Golden State Warriors in the finals, he was three one in the Western Conference. Final would another game on his home court. It what do you do will in what I had the ultimate liability named Russell west Kevin's is that was a liability George not so much, and he went to be okay. He waited. So now because a wet. Terry. We you we did because you saw those bricks shooting. Did you not see those brick? I saw little point guard quote him like that. Giving Schneider that on Russ the let's look back at the twenty sixteen finals at five six and seven obviously Draymond green had to get suspended or this isn't going to happen. So he missed game five. But then what happened is Steph curry and games five six and seven because he was a two time. Indy. P right. And I look at what happened he had seven assists in those three games to twelve turnovers that good. No, he came up much smaller than he actually is about six feet. Ron Ron white Steph curry game seven how about this shot. Six for nineteen at home at oracle. He shot four of fourteen from three any made. It the freeze on one time and shot one free throw in the fourth quarter of that game. This is the game to win the championship at home. Steph curry want one for six in the fourth quarter and one for five from three Zach good. That's what you're up against because Steffes playoff numbers have never quite lived up to his regular season that one. But if you look at the last two years Steph has been fantastic in the play in the finals, but Kevin drain has been fantastic or. Yeah. Yes, you can say about Iran's the Bom. No, I don't. I mean, he was the difference. May he made them invincible because he is the best player on the planet. Right now. He is always LeBron used to be even playing anymore, but whatever play tonight. Okay. But you know. How can you have the odd acidy to make the contention that just because you came back on that Golden State team that made you the greatest player ever because you actually admitted through the six rings that image as the go knowing what he's saying six rings equals goat put at no MJ Tom Brady. No he did in effect between the lines. He's a Brady was the goat. When it came back twenty eight three and he put the video out on uninterrupted about acknowledging one grow to another breath and pass its give walking by like. So do you have the audacity to stand behind your claim that LeBron James is still the basketball goat? What what what has changed? What LeBron goes aware? Cabling located right now. The win put on three pound pounds at home muscle. I think that was way earlier this year. I don't think that was lately out those. Yeah. More capital the deal. So what I want to know is who did you somehow scrub his legacy in the last month or so did you wipe out the meltdown against Dallas in the finals? Did you scrub and cleanse the meltdown in the last three minutes against my Spurs in game six in which he had three unforced error. Turn won't did. They win the game. Because you you don't do that. With Tom Brady winter Brady the ball interception. All you're saying he wanted to game don't do that skill. I know bit. He won the game this time rail and save the game. And then they hold on hold on. Okay. What about that twenty? When when Brady through that pick six, okay? But Brady can't play defense. Lebron can play K play offense. Okay. But what did Tom do in the fourth quarter against the legion of both one hundred twenty four yards to tie. What LeBron doing all the time in game? He was good. But my team. Psychological. Wait a minute. Why would they be cook? Because remember you got upset it LeBron James being cooked in game one of the last year. So you can't twin thing to took a team that was the prohibitive favorite to overtime. You got a chance the game's going to start over and you melt down before overtime, the San Antonio, Spurs were the favorite. Yeah. Okay. Five k with twenty seven. Okay. Well, they they coughed it will give you that. They thought they had it because the LeBron Lebrat three time long rebound out to Chris Bosh shoot sweetly to the corner. And then Ray Allen save LeBron's legs. Maybe why you do this. I doing anything. Right. Did you never say Malcolm Butler, save this legs? Can't you never say. Coach Bela check saying this one that great that was game plan, but Brian floor is did a unbelievable job of calling this game. You never say that you'd never say Terry with those who may club here, they are and Quintas Tom Brady completed five or six passes in a row after feel question. If Ataman Terry miss that are we talking about those five passes that he completed after -lutely not. So the words military saying this Bank show. Everybody has to do his job John last beyond John greatest clutch shot ever. I've never seen it before. Are you saying ADEMA Terry's didn't have avenue Terry got three other clutch, kicks L? I know. But it's part. It's what you're trying to set up to happen. Nobody was trying to set up your warning for three. He now we're trying to what we're trying to make it three. Because we need to to gain time is running out. We're trying to get a three three missed it badly so badly that it was goodly. You say anything about those three that he hit three he hit three threes in the fourth quarter had sixteen points. I don't think he had three at one late. No, yes. Three free this meeting, and guess, what's your betas? They they were down ten. That's what you fail to realize. He didn't tell you that unit. They were down tampon. Lebron James scored sixteen of fifty on another thing. I mean. Yeah. No the six twenty four to thirty. Hey at twenty three six. What the next year helped me out my memory fogs? Do I what did Michael Jordan's team ever get blown off the floor in the finals by a record finals margin? That's what my Spurs did the lebrons team. If you've got the best player on the planet. How can you lose by a record margin, vinyl because? Team. Really? Yeah. A bunch of spare parts coming off the bench little Patty mills. Timid alley. Hold on. What about what about how long are you saying that Chris Bosh and D waiting just like you said LeBron did not fulfil his obligation in the first finals against a Dallas. Are you saying that Chris Bosh and fulfill their obligation in that playoffs? Chris Bosh was pretty good. I can't speak for Dwayne. But and LeBron just he just cut bait with his best friend left by this twenty eight seven and six LeBron ever unifying demand. Play like, a boom, I didn't say a balmy just got blown off the floor. Michael Jordan would not have loud that to happen. We got mentally toughest versus mentally fragile. Guber has only been with the Cowboys since October. But he showed his loyalty to his quarterback Mari was asked if he could imagine playing with Tom Brady and said, quote, no, I don't wanna play with Tom Brady. I want to beat Tom Brady I wanna play with deck Prescott. And I believe that we can get the job done, Shannon. Do you like those comments from Amari Cooper? Because so many times what are we here who would wanna play with Tom Brady? No, no, no, no, I play with the guy. I wanna play. I believe in that. And I believe we can get to the heights in which the patriots celebrated wasn't and had this year. The I believe we can go there. And I want to go to that level with that guy. That's gonna love that. Because it you who would wanna play with this guy and who wouldn't want to coach that guy. I'm good. I'm good right here. I got the guy number four. I'm want to ride with him. And when you don't buy that. But you liked it. He said it. Do I love that? He said, I mean, I mean, what would the votes they? Now, you these he believes that. No, you don't think that. That's a big note. Right there. We just got a big be real demand. You hold on the man takes. Average receivers. And now we're gonna talk about this later got we're talking about they should be in the hall of fame. That is okay. You imagine. We saw ready more for spectacular before he got there. But we saw the heights in which Randy can scale playing with that guy. So we know what playing with great quarterbacks we know the extinction in how the level that they can take even great players look at Jerry, Jerry was a great player, Jerry Rice, right but plan with Montana and playing with Steve Young. I agree with that. So I love that. He said that because he could have given you the old cliche. Skip who wouldn't wanna play with Tom Brady. He note. I'm good. I'm good, right? Where I am. I got old that that he the leader. If you look at all the plays that we needed to make when the rubber needed to meet the road. Yeah. Old that press got within the center of everything. Thank you. I love everything. Thank you. Thank you even. There's a lot. See? Very end. What about you? I don't know it. These just might have been the greatest comments in the history of teammate comments about team. And what I really loved was when the questioner dared to ask as so many have are you convinced that Dak Prescott s- a franchise quarterback. And he's like what he was offended by the question. And he said, of course, you don't see that. He's a winner. I loved AC he's a born leader from what I can see he's going to put it all on the line, which he does every game every play in every way because he can run with the football, which you're gonna come out of the report, I'm offended that you spend it that I asked you that offensive question. The rest of the aggressive quotas in all the close games. We had this year. He was the one making those big plays leading us to victory. I just like everything about him. So allow me to reiterate that over Dax three years. He is one the second most games in the NFL by Tom Brady. How Thomas Edward Patrick Brady? Well about that who knew who knew that is that impressive. I'd say that eilly very president. So let me get the street. You would rather play with the second best opposed to dumping. Yes. He does wanna play with the second best because he believes in the second best. Now, that's his leader. That's his Tom Brady. And he truly believes that that Prescott can be in the Tom Brady category as far as winning football games. And who knows that who who even has? Kept touch with the fact that Dak Prescott in his first three seasons. Leads all of football in game winning drives with fourteen I'm talking about in the regular season. Obviously Tom Brady just won his sixth ring with his sixth game winning drive in the fourth quarter overtime of Super Bowls. But who knew that over the first three years of Dax career, his sixty six point one completion percentage set a record for NFL quarterbacks who knew that. Well, you did I did. But I'm the only one in the world who knows that? And so that brings us to what we just witnessed on Sunday night. It is still painfully clear to me that that Prescott is clearly better than Jared Goff. And I told you this before those two teams met, and then I got to sit here yesterday for two and a half hours. And here you call Jared Goff Super Bowl, garbage and worse. Don't chicken poop. Yeah. Right. How many years? Death. I got bit in the NFL three. How many years for Jerry three win win is dead Prescott get into slu boat. Well, I don't know maybe next year shot because you told me that Zeke is better than a Todd Gurley. His office land is better than the Rams off his land adak Prescott is better than and Brandon. The. Amari Cooper is better than Brandon cooks. He is. Okay. Yeah. They got to Amari's on their team through right? Why did not do? Well. Okay. So Jared Goff had Boy Genius calling plays up to the Super Bowl. And then you said he was chicken poop in the super. He lost his nerve. Or what his way got. I'm going to warn you one more time that next year. My Mandak Prescott is going to have his Sean McVeigh named Kellen more. If they let Kelly more call the plays next year, you'll see the same quantum leap from Dak Prescott that you have seen in the regular season from Jerry fear. Cannon more Shumar more don't care cowboy missed the playoffs. Are you gonna do to yourself again? Right now, you really, wouldn't you? Did it lash on your grade six cases you played on that? You wanna do it again? No. I'm welcoming let me highly clear out. You know, how you guys do it? Our number even number years play on fourteen sixteen eighteen okay? So it's eating. Is written in historical stone that next year will be doomed right somehow the NFL gods have decreed next year. You're doomed right? Okay. Would you like to bet upon that? Please two cases. Let's get five who why only to put your do where your mouth is to and more, right? Heller more. You can have Herman Moore negoti more more anger. All right. Good, brother. Give him a shot shot at what you need a shot of any season. So that's the only shot you get you all the two cases. Yes. Yes. Oh, do I want. I want five. Okay. Five. Thank you very much right now. Humane this far, it's, but that's what you told me for a whole year last year, and what happened, and then you kept doubling down to you lost six cases e. The eagles. The eagles have landed. With our no Walker to about. I started to hear some things. They talk about. I'm not really happy. So got beat walk into him twice last year. That's interesting. And when I compare the three year careers of Goff and Dak that has a QBR this scale zero to one hundred sixty nine over three years, that's his total QBR Jared Goff is at forty five. And these two faced each other Goffman why the record. Yeah. But that record how about when they faced each other. What has happened each time? And I'm gonna include the preseason game which was their first meeting right here at the LA, call seem to start. Well, he played in the go stunk in the game. That's Jeff Fisher. Okay. It was Jeff Fisher a whole different a whole. Okay. But Dak Prescott was special that night. You could just see it. Waterson is gonna join us later. He was there. And he just said he was in awe of attack. I tell you that wasn't you know, when they played in the regular season two years ago was when they play lash unions this year in the debate. Thank you for bringing up that regular season game two years ago. Dax QBR was eighty one Gough forty six in that game. Not that good. And then in the playoff game this year. Dat. Cat an eighty four QBR here at the Coliseum on that fateful Saturday night and Jared Goff had a fifty seven. So he's outplayed him all three times a lot QBR doesn't tell you. Yeah. You know, it doesn't you know why? Because the Rams ran wild on my defense two hundred and seventy three yards rushing Goff doing that. He did have one rush that killed him at the end of the game. But hold on you remember AFC championship game matching my homeboys had hired QBR nombre. He did who wanted to game Tom Brady. Okay. At the end of the day that we we kinda news. That has no Tom Brady was having to overcome a flammable Tortuga Bill. Check defense that gave up twenty four points in the fourth quarter that game. And then what Brady say, I guess, I do more restraint third and t- should have been twenty eight nothing. Tom Brady not made that goofball player in the end zone and PLO K. Don lemon. One is huge. Okay. He was still great. And even you admitted he was great. Even I think you came in the next day and said, I give it up. I did. But I just I gave it up to him through trying to say QBR and all this and all that when Jerry golf team keep winning. That's what they keep doing the keep winning Jared Goff got exposed on Sunday night. Okay. You could see right through him. You could see what he's made of or not made of that Prescott is made of tougher stuff when Jared Goff. He just is the patriots. The patriots Cowboys make your. Tom brady. Got all the cases you won't. I'm taking none. You can't do that votes. House not enough home in order for you to be if you guide that you said he is you go to the go house Nate you eat go on. I'll bet you to cases right now. Tom Brady plays pass next season. You're dug in that he's will allow I was doing this. Or accept our? Our know about ever ever my lonely life rooting for the patriots. Come on Tom Brady, Tom Brady. You gotta five hundred yard game. You'll pocket. Okay. You please. Put it out. We've got some time. Game recognizes game. I'm wearing the twelve jurors the whole week not where the rate of the whole we get I got a patriot film and the Pro Bowl from big, okay? Because I sleep in a four jersey every night. Got you there. He he thought away. Tom, Tom ready to go through that way? It's just one loss twelve and four. It's okay. I figured it. Was you wasn't all that? All around we just bent to they're going to miss the plus I'm good now, we give them not only going Twitter twelve wins. Kellen more change life. Now. Massey. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Join us again at nine thirty AM eastern on Monday for another week of undisputed. We'll see that. Of. Of one.

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"Nobody beats the fares who is now four and one on his weekly best bets Mason brand candidates ski and O'Shea Jackson junior here fez. What's going on, gentlemen. How are you in Los Angeles today? Everything is great. And by the way I want to say, I don't know if you've ever heard of our last gambling guy, guy named RJ bell. He's sort of drifted into obscurity now. He never. He never gave us four best bets, correct in five weeks. So you have triumphed over our last gambling guy. Do you have you ever heard of him. He's he is a loss Vegas legend come up. No more, but he talks through knows that. Did you nasal? Did you meet up with John Ireland while I was earned Vegas? You know, I was. I wanted to. I was burning the midnight oil. We did our NFL dream pod last night. We didn't get out until about eight fifteen. All right, that's that's too bad because I think he wanted you to buy him dinner. I here we go. So first of all, I fed, I've been gambling and successfully this year with my mythical money last week I won fifteen grant. Fifteen mythical grant. So and an Ireland is down twenty from last week, his to parlay, and, but let me ask you that is a partly a sucker bet. No, it's it's a sucker bet when you play a four team or that only pays ten or eleven to one, I won't go into the mass details, but nothing wrong with a two or three team parlay and parleys can actually be really good if they're correlated. So like if you play a big underdog parlayed with the under, if one wins the other more likely to win. Oh, I see. So you pair. A game with an under or over usually an underdog within under ori- favourite with an over. All right. Gregg. Bergman's been gambling pretty well how many mythical dollars you have. Greg. I have one hundred five thousand with very big, fifty thousand dollar bet on the line for the dodgers. Oh, that's right. He bet fifty thousand dollars on the dodgers to win the World Series. Yep. And nine to two, two hundred and twenty five thousand. No, you're right. You will. You will take a commanding lead. All right. So Greg, what do you want to bet this? We all right this week I only got two. I'm going to go five thousand dollars on indie plus two and a half, and I forgot who they were playing the Indies plus two and a half, and they are. They're playing is Dallas? No adjusts the jets the jets. Yeah. What do you think of that game? RJ RJ yeah. There you go fast. Well, I really do to lose wants to maybe it'd be time to bring our j. back. But I like Indianapolis, the I frankly, was pretty impressed by hung in against New England off and overtime game. They had to wheel back on Thursday, and although they lost by fourteen, they're only down seven late. Now they get ten days to prepare. And frankly, I really feel that Indianapolis is the better team. I'm getting the better team plus two and a half in the better spot even without TY Hilton. I like Gregoire the bet I have five thousand dollars on mythical, of course, on Denver plus seven against the Rams in Denver. Going against the hometown. Yeah, like it snow in the forecast in Denver. And if I can take an old Republic team like the Rams with all that offense with two wide receivers can cost. I don't know if they're gonna play if they play. I don't know I can. I can update that. We talked to Sean McVay yesterday, and he said they're both on track to play. Very good. But even if they play, I don't know how eager the Rams are going to be to put them at risk in the snow in Denver, and and frankly, just any any beats city that has to travel to the first cold day of the year for them. I'm gonna look to fade. My math model only makes the game six, regardless of the weather. I like Denver as well. Here's where I go. I have been really impressed by Notre Dame so far. I'm gonna take Notre Dame minus the Twenty-one home to pit five thousand dollars, and I'm with you. And I've been accused of being one of the fanny pack guys on the strip that is betting with the public and the common man. But I have the Irish so much better with book at quarterback than with wimbush that there's been value on the Irish. Last few weeks. I'm riding on again, here's a college game that you might know about its obscure, but you might know about, I like UNLV plus twenty-seven at Utah state. Wow. Yeah, UNLV I don't know what the heck happened to them a last week. You have to expect a bounce back from that horrendous performance. I could only look that way. Tampa Bay Atlanta under the fifty seven five. Yeah, you know, it's certainly looks like it's going to be a shootout with both these teams. But if you look at the teams, they've played on their schedule the their schedules, primarily Ben against high scoring teams, both these teams. So what they sky high total of fifty seven and a half. I could see there being a lot offense in you still sneaking by leeann that way, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oakland at Seattle. I like the Seahawks minus two and a half. Yeah. And they're actually in wondering for this game. Oh, that's okay. I know. Seattle's travelling out there Wednesday Oakland's going out Thursday night. So they're gonna have left time to acclimate to the time change. I don't like that, but Seattle on the road in general, I am looking to fade. There's so much better with the twelve man. I've got nothing on this game. I pass nothing. Okay. And then I'm going to do a three team Parlane in honor Jon Ola, put his bets tomorrow on top of all this. On top of this five thousand dollars three team parlay. I'm gonna go Seok minus two and a half, indie plus two and a half and Rams minus seven. Whoa, go and contrarian head up. I like it. What do you like? Indie. You don't like Seattle and you don't like you don't like the Rams minus seven. I'm okay with the ATL I'm indifferent to Seattle. I really don't like the Rams and here's why typically, whenever you get a team that's undefeated that has such a great offense. The point spread tax starts to bite you. We saw that when they played Minnesota, that they were laying seven against Minnesota to seven and a half, so they didn't cover. And then they're laying seven at Seattle. The only one by two, it just gets typically, it gets too expensive. The poster child of this was the New England Patriots team that went sixteen and they finished one eight against the spread. All right. USC Trojans are at home to undefeated and ranked Colorado. The line is minus seven and a half for SC. What's the right side in that game? Well, sharp money's been on SE because it was seven up. The seven after the feeling that USC you can trust them to at least win the game at home where they're on an eighteen. Oh, straight up run. And frankly, the better feel Colorado is completely fraudulent, begun defeated. So sharp money's been on USA. Yeah. By the way, clay Helton has never lost a game at the Coliseum. Now that's part of that eighteen ino- now that could change anytime. I know I'm not. I'm not alone. All right. So betting on baseball is confusing to me. And I think particularly in the playoffs when managers managed differently and you know, they start, they don't do things like they do in the regular season. What is the right way? If people wanna put money in on on the AL CS or the s to figure out how to put that money down. Why think in general, you want to look towards the underdog because what's face it in the NBA in the playoffs. The better team almost always wins and football, even in the playoffs. Even though it's a one game situation, the better team usually wins. But baseball, there's a lot of randomness associated with it, but so far is been a very Chaki MLB playoffs. The better teams favor teams have been winning. And because of that, I think you're gonna see pressure on the markets that the better that have been winning are gonna keep betting on the favorites. I would selectively be looking at the underdogs I think one baseball. I'm not a huge baseball better. I think Houston, Boston game one under seven and a half. It's gone down to seven and some places, but under in that game looks good to me. I think Houston wins that series fairly easily. What does Vegas say about dodgers Milwaukee Vegas says the dodgers are the correct side. They're a prohibitive favorite against Milwaukee. Despite. Not having the home field and Houston. The other road team is also a prohibitive favorites. The feeling being Chris sale is not what he was and Vegas does not like prices. Your number two snow in a playoff series for Boston. It is time. For the Fez's best bet you're on a four week winning streak fez. But what over five and let's go with the Pittsburgh Steelers, catching two and a half against the Cincinnati Bengals. I know the Bengals are four and one, but frankly, I'm not impressed. They won a coin flip a week. One against Indianapolis game could have gone either way. They were fortunate to be the reeling Atlanta team with a lucky final driveway. J. green made a great play and then against Miami, wow, they were down three to seventeen two defensive touchdowns in the fourth quarter. At some point, the lock is going to catch up the Bengals especially without their gifted titan. I for out for the year. I'll take the men of steel big bend, twenty five, four and one straight up in the state of Ohio Steelers, real. Are you a Steelers fan? I'm a Bengals fail because that's two weeks, two weeks in a row. You bet on the Steelers for your best bet. I'm a mercenary. It doesn't matter who I root for. I just pick winners. Excellent. I. So the best of the week Pittsburgh, the Steelers, mine plus two and a half. Hey, fez. Thanks a lot for coming on, man. We always appreciate it. My pleasure. Talk to you guys next Thursday. Cool. There's Steve physic- and by the way he's way better than our RJ canal. That's not nice. The thing about the fez Steve is really, he's not quite as Hal into. Picking the winners stretch those words. Oh, roasting j. belly. Fat guy. Yeah. Plus you can't call the Fez's the fez like that. That makes me want to believe in his with the fez. How do you do the whatever with Arjun the bell, that's not no, no, the fez thing. Nobody beats the fast. All right. Coming up next for you. We'll circle back to last night's Lakers win over Golden State in Las Vega