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Growing Courage ft. Kyla Pratt

Circle Round

23:10 min | 3 months ago

Growing Courage ft. Kyla Pratt

"Produced by the island at. You are boston when you hear the word courage. What comes to mind maybe you think about rushing into a burning building like a firefighter or swooping in to save the day like a superhero but courage can also mean walking into a new classroom for the first time or trying to bite of an unfamiliar food. We're about to meet a character who's determined to be courageous but first she must conquer a fear that seems larger than life. I'm the back shared. Welcome to circle round. We're story time happens all the time today. Our story is called growing courage. Versions of this tale. Come from ethiopia a country in east africa you'll also hear variations from the south asian country of india. Some really great people came together to our version of this folk tale including kyla pratt. Grownups may know from. Call me cat on fox and you kids may recognized. Kayla's voice from disney's animated sitcom the proud family. Kyla will be reprising. Her role as penny proud later this year when disney plus releases the proud family louder and louder so circle around everyone for growing courage For as long as liana could remember she had been afraid afraid of the dark afraid of thunderstorms afraid of meeting. New people afraid of walking home by herself and all the other kids in the village teased her for it. Hey it is it scaredy cat li. Yeah he's afraid of everything even her own. Show sig cat leon. Scaredy cat liana lived in cozy thatched roof house with her wise old grandfather. One morning at breakfast grandfather noticed liana was especially quiet. Her usually bright eyes were dull and flat as she slumped in her chair. Her elbows propped on the table. Her face cupped in her hands granddaughter. I can't help but notice that you haven't eaten one bite of your pancakes and i know they're your favorite. What's wrong. my dear liana frowned. It's nothing grandfather i just. Can i ask you a question. Of course you can ask me anything. Okay liana tilted. How did you get so brave. Grandfather arched his eyebrows and laid his hand on his chest. Me you want to know how. I got so brave. Yes after all your the most courageous person i know. Think about all those years. You worked as a woodcutter. Every morning you'd wander through the shadowy forest long before the sun came up. Then you will chop wood until late in the evening long. After the sun went down you were all alone in those deep dark woods. But you weren't scared that's true and the time you walked across the plains and came face to face with a lion you just slowly backed away while the great b- stares you down with his glittering brown eyes. I did and last year when it rains so hard. The village began so flood. You didn't freak out. You stayed as calm as can be and helped. Everyone gets a higher ground until the water subsided. Indeed well you have to be brave to do. Those things grandfather frankly. I couldn't imagine doing any of them. The other kids are right. I'm such a scaredy cat. I'm afraid of my own shadow as liana hung her head. Grandfather's slit his chair over and laid his arm around his granddaughter's shoulder. Listen child let me tell you a little something. I've learned through the years. The only way to become more brave is to practice at it. Is that what you did. Shore is single day. Liana you have to take a deep breath and decide. You're going to face your fear. Whatever that fear may be then little by little. Your courage will grow bigger and your fee year will become smaller. Your courage will grow bigger and your fear will become smaller. That's right courage isn't something you just snap your fingers and get liana. It's something you grow. Do you think you can do that for the first time. That morning liana smiled. I think i can try. Good now. Egypt pancakes or i fear this hungry old fella will eat them for you all day. Long liana thought about what grandfather said and that night after the old man went to bed. Liana stood outside his bedroom door and listened. The moment she heard grandfather's first snores. She tip toed the closet and found a big bag. She stopped the bag with food clothing and a cozy blanket. Then she snuck through the front door and crept out into the moonlit night grandfather says. If i want courage. I have to growing well. What better time to start. Then now what do you think liana will do next. And if you were liana what would you do. We'll find out what happens after a quick break support for circle round comes from policy genius. There's never a bad time to save money. And right now you can save up to one thousand fifty five dollars per year by simply comparing your home and auto insurance rates policy genius policy genius compares america's top insurers from progressive to nationwide to find your lowest quotes. If they find a better price than what you're paying they'll switch you over for free you can save up to one thousand fifty five dollars per year by re shopping your home and auto insurance head to policy genius dot com to get started right now. I'm rebecca share. Welcome back to circle round today. Our story is called growing courage when we left off. scaredy cat. Liana was determined to grow courage so she packed a bag and snuck out of the house she shared with grandfather. Leon felt beads of cold. Sweat slip down her back as she crept past the silent in houses of her neighbors when she reached the forest that skirted the village. She stopped the other. Children often played hide and seek in these dense dark woods. Liana never had the guts to join them. But tonight grandfather's words were echoing in her head. You have to take a deep breath and decide. You're going to face your fear. Then little by little your courage will grow bigger and your fear will become smaller liana through back her shoulders and stood up tall then she took a deep breath. I am growing courage. I am growing courage. Branches creaked and twigs snapped as liana ventured into the murky forest. Wolves howled wind whistled. Liana kept walking. I am growing courage. I am growing courage. The trees grew so tall and close together. Their branch is blocked out every inch of sky. Not a single star was visible through the leafy canopy leon. His heart was beating so hard she could hear thumping in her ears but she kept walking. I am growing courage. I am growing courage. And then i am growing courage. I am growing courage before. Leon knew it. I am growing courage courage. She emerged from the forest and found herself. In a wide open field where thousands of golden stars sparkled glittered in the boundless sky above by this time leonidas heart rate was beginning to slow and her eyelids were beginning to close liana had never spent the night away from home let alone in the middle of the dark wilderness but her adventures had worn her out. She lay down on a soft patch of moss and pulled her blanket to her chin. Then she took a deep breath courage growing and drifted off to sleep. When liana blinked her eyes open. It was a fresh new day. Sun shone down from a cloudy sky as liana union and stretched. She nibbled on some of the food. She'd packed then continued on her journey. Eventually she came to town. It was built in the shadow of towering craggy mountain. The town was quaint and ever so charming. Liana felt her palms grow clammy. What if the people here didn't take well to strangers what they told her to buzz off but instead of turning back and running right home again. I'll bet you can guess while the ana did right. She took a deep breath. I am growing courage. I am growing courage and march her way right into the middle of the town square as she did however she noticed something odd. I see houses and shops a market. A school yet. Everything seems closed. nobody's round. It's so quiet it was true. Leon couldn't spot a living soul anywhere until hey you. There liana looked around one by one in the windows of the houses faces appeared and they did not look happy. Not know it. Is it safe here. yoga lady. Didn't anyone tell you about the monster. Liana stomach did a flip flop the monster. Yes the monster. The roches beast who threads all town. Our children can't go to school. Our farmers can't plant crops. We all stay huddled inside our houses for you. The monster will swoop through the streets. Gobble us up. We felt her mouth go dry. And where exactly does this monster live. The people jabbed fingers toward the jagged peak overlooking the town. Oh there at the top of the mountain stares down at us with its big yellow is it breeds fire from the gaping red mouth. It's scaly body is bigger than all of our houses combined and its wings spread so wide three can block out the sun. Leonidas gays traveled up to the summit of the mountain now that she had heard the townspeople. Describe the monster in such vivid detail. She was certain she could see the sinister brute. It's great scaly body it's wide menacing wings. It's yellow is it's breath of fire. But then once more she heard grandfather's voice you have to take a deep breath and decide. You're going to face your fear. Then little by little your courage will grow bigger and your fear will become smaller. Liana thought for a moment she called out to the townspeople. Tell me friends. Has anyone in town. ever faced. the monster townspeople looked at liana. Speaking a language they had never heard faced a monster. Could possibly face the monster. It's too fierce tool savage to nar myths. So get out of here why you can young lady before you. The town's people's eyes went wide. So did leon us wait. Was that the monster. the townspeople didn't answer instead. One by one they popped their heads back into their windows and slam them. Shut leaving liana all alone in the town square with the monster's roar still echoing in her ears leon. I felt a chill up and down her spine. Her hands grew shaky. Her head grew dizzy but she refused to give in to her fear instead. She took a deep breath. I am growing courage. I am growing courage and marched right over to the base of the mountain. She found a narrow dirt trail and began following the path as it twisted and turned higher and higher. She hiked inching and sneaking her way closer and closer to the distant peak. I am growing courage. I am growing courage. We on a frozen her tracks with chattering teeth. She snuck a glance toward the summit. Oh boy i look at it paring down at me with it sinister yellow eyes and huffing breadth of fire from his enormous red mouth. Leon heart gave a lurch but she knew what she had to do. She took a deep breath and kept going. I am growing courage. I am growing. Courage liane shuttered. She swallowed hard before casting. Her is upwards again. But why does it look different smaller less savage in fierce. And is it just me or does it sound less savage and fierce to we was confused but she kept on going pumping her arms to pick up speed. I am growing courage. I am grow encourage. The honest stopped again but when she fixed her eyes on the summit she immediately did a double take. Okay that monster definitely looks different. Somehow the higher up. I climb the smaller. It seems to be and it's roar getting closer. It's roar seem smaller to it. Doesn't sound nearly as mighty and ferocious. Yana was more perplexed than ever but there was no time to puzzle over it. All she had to do was scramble up a steep wall of rock and she would be at the top of the mountain. She extended an arm and a leg and began climbing the rock face. She climbed and climbed. But when she finally hoisted herself onto the plateau above him growing courage grilling she fell silent because even though liana was standing on the lofty wind swept summit of the mountain. She couldn't see the monster anywhere. What's going on. I see the monster with my own two eyes and here it with my own two ears. Now that i'm finally here. I don't understand how it could possibly be. Honest stopped short. Where was that sound coming from. She turned her head to the right. She turned her head to the left. She saw nothing then. She tilted her head down and when she did what she spy. Skittering and scuttling on the ground but a tiny little creature. No bigger than her thumb the anc wing c- critter had a scaly body and miniature wings and twin. Liana crouched down to get a closer view. She noticed the poor thing was trembling. It's red mouth quivering. It's bright yellow eyes wide and round. Liana stared at the creature creature stared back. And then all at once liana understood this pint-sized little thing with scales and wings and yellow eyes and red mouth was none other then. The monster grandfather was right and indeed he was you see now that leon had faced her fear. Her courage had grown bigger and her fear had become smaller much smaller. So small in fact that liana could scoop it up and drop it in her pocket before whistling down the mountain with spring in her step and courage in her heart Now it's your turn just like the ana you to grow your courage and you can show how it's growing by making your own courage tree. I find some paper or poster board and draw a big tree trunk. Lots of branches. Attach your tree to the wall or the refrigerator. Any vertical surface will do and then find some colored paper and cut out a bunch of leaves after that. Think about one courageous thing you've done recently. Something brave proud of it could be as simple as i tried a new food or i stood up for myself right. Your act of bravery leads or have a grownup help you. Then use tape or glue to attach the leaf to your keep repeating this activity every day or at least a couple of times a week and it won't be long before you see your tree and your courage row in this week's story. Growing courage was adapted by me. Rebecca shear it was edited by emory silverton. Circle around original. Music and sound design by eric malone are artists is being done. Sabina has drawn a black and white picture for every single circle round story. And you can print them out and color them in. Ask a grown up to visit. Wbz dot org slash circle round and click on soundtrack and coloring pages. Special thanks to this week's actors l. Borders amy brentano jason. ns brandon green thais harris. Edward hong jefferson a russell and kyla pratt grownups. Checkout kyla pratt. 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Inkanyamba

Mythical Monsters

37:23 min | 1 year ago

Inkanyamba

"This episode is brought to you by mountain dew sponsor of certified buckets an NBA podcast from uninterrupted and spotify studios. Every episode recaps the latest in hoops with behind the scene stories player insights and more new episodes drop every Tuesday. Check it out. Exclusively on spotify a warning this episode features dramatization and discussions of extreme violence listener. Discretion is advised especially for listeners under thirteen. The story you're about to hear is not a direct telling of any single myth about the Incan Yamba. Today's episode combines elements from a number of legends and stories about this storm spirits serpent for dramatic effect. Masisi was not having much luck fishing. This morning he'd I cast his line out at dawn from the banks of the Guinea River hoping to catch a couple of fat trout for his evening meal. Now it was almost dusk and all he had to show for the day. Were too skinny eels lying at the bottom of his Pale. He travelled up the river in search of the fish and was now just twenty yards downriver of Howick falls. Nothing was biting resigned. Masisi began to reel in his fishing line. It would be a small dinner tonight. Suddenly the line went taught. Masisi had hooked something he could feel that whatever was on the other end of the line was strong just as quickly as he reeled the line in he could feel the fish pulling it back out. His Rod bent sharply as he struggled to pull what he imagined was a fat trout toward the surface. The line abruptly went slack once more. Whatever it was he had lost it or had he as Masisi watched something. Dark breached the surface of the river. This was no fish instead. A long scaly body rose from the water stretching impossibly high above the river's muddy surface. Masisi had hooked an enormous river. Serpent it held. Its long twisting body. Nearly twenty feet out of the water towering above the fishermen its head was unlike any snake Masisi had ever seen. It was large and horse like with a long nose to prominent nostrils and a pair of bulging. Golden is as Masisi stared up in shock. He saw dark storm. Clouds forming above the serpent's head a bolt of lightning split the sky the creature opened its maw and roared loud enough to knock Masisi backwards. It's jaw unhinged opening wide to reveal wickedly sharp fangs before he could move the serpent struck. Welcome to mythical monsters apart cast original. I'm Vanessa Richardson every week. We dive into history's most legendary monsters. In telling the stories of their origins we hope to shed light on some truths hidden behind the creations of these beasts where they come from what they symbolize. And how they expose some of humanity's greatest fears you can find episodes of mythical monsters and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Or Wherever. You listen to podcasts to stream mythical monsters for free on spotify just open the APP and type mythical monsters in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network? And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening. It really does help today. We're discussing the Incan Yamba. For Years Zulu people living near Howick falls in South Africa have reported encounters with this monster a giant water dwelling serpent with a horse like head when angered the Incan? Yamba calls upon the wind and skies to send storms raging through the province of KwaZulu. Natale the rainfall these storms bring bolsters the growth of sugar cane and other crops but they can also cause damage and destruction if the creatures storms are allowed to rage unabated. They can flood the entire countryside. Keeping the Incan Yamba temper in check is therefore a crucial task in Zulu culture and this task falls to a few brave women. Liana was swimming in the river. The muddy water swirling around her the silt almost completely blocked the sun's rays. Her body felt long and live. She coil did an anticipation trying to decide where to hunt for her next meal. Suddenly she felt vibration. A small fish floated jerkily near the surface. It was stunned or hurt either way. It looked like an easy catch. Liana opened her mouth her sharp fangs glittering wickedly in the dark water she snapped them closed over the fish. She hissed surprise. Her mouth was full of sharp pain and blood. Something in the small fish some sharp bone had embedded itself in the roof of Leon his mouth. She shook her head to dislodge the bone but when she moved her head down she could feel something pulling back. Something was yanking on the sharp thing in her mouth. Enraged Liana shot toward the cloudy Sunlight for head broke the surface of the water and she reared up above the banks of the river. A man stared back at her wide. Eyed and terrified Liana opened her jaws her fangs dripping with Venom. This man would pay for disturbing her. A soft rain began to fall on her. Scaly skin and thunder rumbled in the sky before the man could move. Liana struck her long fangs. Digging DEEP INTO HIS FLESH. Liana Sat Bolt Upright in her bed. She felt her arms and legs to confirm that she was back in her normal human body. Her sheets were soaked with sweat and her breath came short and ragged. She felt dizzy and laid back against her pillow. Her dream was so strange. It felt almost real. She'd been swimming in the pool at the base of Howick falls but she'd not been herself. Her body had been something older powerful in human but even as she tried to sift through the details the dream slipped through her grasp sinking back down into the subconscious of her waking mind. Her throat burned for water before she could cry out. The door to the bedroom opened softly. Her mother was standing at the threshold with a strange woman. Leon I had never seen before the woman at the bedroom door looked more like an other worldly spirit than a human. She wore a headdress of long braided strands covered in white beads. She had a Cheetah Skin Cape wrapped around her shoulders the animal's legs tied around her throat. In her hand she held a stick with long dark fibers. Coming out of one end a Buffalo Tail Liana was sure of her mother said Liana. Are you wake you have a guest? This is all Wasi the Sangoma. She has come to take your sickness away. Liana tried to sit up in her bed but the movement only triggered a coughing fit. She'd been sick for weeks and she knew her. Poor mother was desperate for cure since western. Medicine didn't seem to be helping. Her mother had brought a Sangoma medicine woman to the House. The SANGOMA came to Leon his side and sat on the edge of her bed. She jangled she walked the bells around her ankles chiming rhythmically with each step up. Close Liana could see that. The woman had a kind face with round cheeks and dark intelligent. Is the healer. Put her hand on the on his forehead humming to herself as if she were completely alone in the room she used her buffalo tail like a baton making a series of complicated gestures in the air above Leonidas bed Wasi spoke child. This is not a physical illness. It is a spiritual one. What you feel is to Woshah the ancestors calling you into service. Your body and mind will not be at peace until you answer their call. You must come with me and trained to be a son. Gomaa Liana stared at Wasi. What she was saying was impossible. Liana had heard of the TWAT for many. It came as an illness that only another Sangoma could cure but no one in her family had ever been called to be. A healer Wasi. Recognize the confusion on the child's face when she had been called years before she to thought it must have been some kind of mistake was he said. Tell me Liana. Have you been having any strange dreams lately? Liana stared back at her shocked. Suddenly her dream from the night before rushed back to her not just in fragments but is clear images. This time she was in the water she drew up a storm. She attacked a man before. Liana could speak a heavy knocking came from the front door of the house outside. Someone was yelling their voice too far away for Liana to make out the words from her room. Liana watched her mother cross to the door their neighbor to be so stood outside a look of panic on her face. Tubby so said come outside. Quick Mris. Conrad. He's running through the village yelling that he was attacked at Cuanto causa by a giant snake to be so left quickly rushing onto alert. The people in the next House Liana saw that. Who was e? The SANGOMAS face had grown stern. She said Liana rise from your bed and put on your shoes. There is work to be done. Your training starts. Now when Liana didn't move or Wasi pulled the covers roughly to the floor. She said up now girl there is no time. I will need your help to save the village. Don't you know what this means? The Incan Yamba has returned coming up young. Liana rises to the challenge. This episode is brought to you by mountain dew sponsor of certified buckets an NBA podcast from uninterrupted and spotify studios it's hosted by NBA champion Nick Young WNBA starch Mcvay an actor Sharon Jackson every episode recaps the latest in Hoops as the three hosts give their hottest takes behind the scene stories and player insights new episodes drop every Tuesday. Check it out exclusively on spotify podcast listeners. We realized that there are a lot of podcast chose to choose from each day and sometimes not enough time to sort through them. All in our new feed park cast daily we filter through your favorite podcast series to highlight the most timely and relevant episode premiering each day every Monday through Friday discovering new and captivating episode curated specifically for you. That's one new episode from our slate of content handpicked with you in mind. Time is precious. And we've got you covered follow. Park cast daily free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts you can check out more. Podcast shows and a full library of episodes in spotify by searching for par cast in the spotify search bar or by going to spotify dot com slash podcast now back to the story from the earliest days of Humanity. Myths have played an important role in understanding the natural world. Parts of that were difficult to explain from the changing of the seasons to death and the rising sun were attributed to the work of God's and magical creatures and for early men. Almost nothing was as powerful and unpredictable as the weather. As humans transitioned from nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyles to agrarian civilizations whether became the central focus of their budding cultures. Too much rain and crops would drown too little and they would wither on. The vine rain became the life giver. And whoever or whatever controlled it had incredible power for kwazulu-natal the power of rain lay at the bottom of Howick falls with the turbulent moods of the Incan Yamba. That slumbered there. The serpent's close relationship with storms and weather. Make it a powerful figure in Zulu folklore according to Zulu superstition when the Incan Yamba is angered it can be soothed by the actions of a Sangoma. These healers usually female offer prayers and sacrifices to calm the savage Incan Yamba and stop the deluge. These beliefs are still integral to daily life in many South African communities which today are supported by an estimated two hundred thousand Sangomas and spiritual healers they perform rituals offer natural remedies and preserve the myths of traditional African religions myths. Like the tail of the Incan Yamba. Outside the sky was growing dark. Heavy black rain. Clouds blotted out the hot South African Sun casting long shadows over the sugar cane fields. A- dense mist rose from the river so thick that Liana felt she could snatch up a piece of it in her hand. She had never seen anything like this before down the road. She could see a man running haphazardly toward the center of the village. He was covered in mud. And even from this far away Liana could spot bright red blood pouring from a gash on his forehead the man yelled Incan Yamba in Kenya Mba. I saw it with my own eyes. It attacked me beneath the falls. It was Masisi the fishermen to be so had spoken the truth when she said he was yelling like a madman about the Incan Yamba spotting all Wazi in her Sangoma Costume Masisi slowed to a stop. He said Oh Sangoma Wasi. Please help me. I was fishing too close to cuanto Causa and angered the CAN Yamba. Now he will send a great storm and ruin the sugar cane crop. Liana glanced nervously at the ominous clouds. Gathering overhead Wasi bent forward. Taking Mris. Hands as she spoke I can help but we have to act quickly. Now take your fattest goat and come meet my apprentice. Leon and I at the base of the falls hurry. Everything was happening too fast for. Liana to keep up with who was dragged her to the village square where they purchased home brewed beer at Amasi. A delicacy made of curdled milk. Then we'll WASI led Liana her own small hut at the edge of the village inside. She selected a number of bottled liquids and sprigs of dried herbs from a shelf. Along with a thin wickedly curved knife. Liana hoped they would stay here a moment or that will wuzzy. Would at least explain what she was doing but she was soon disappointed. They left the hut a moment later. Liana struggling to keep up with the SANGOMAS. She strode assuredly in the direction of the falls. It began to rain in earnest. Now the heavy mist still clung to the ground swirling around their feet with each step. The falls to seem to have changed with the weather. The river seemed to flow faster. The water cascading down with a new ferocity as they approached the base of the falls. Liana could see that. A small crowd had gathered near the river. The villagers she noted were careful to stay far back from the banks of the pool. Out of striking range. Masisi appeared pulling a reluctant goat toward Liana and will Lauzi. He offered Liana. The animals lied and said for you. Sangomas the goat you asked for was he bowed her head and thanked the fishermen. They lead the goat to a spot. Some twenty feet from the water where there was a neat pile of freshly cut sugar cane and dried gourds filled with Amasi and beer. Liana glanced uneasily at the water swirling below the waterfall. The pool was opaque and muddy and she couldn't see what lay beneath its surface for an instant. Liana was under the surface of the water again. Moving through the silt and mud as she had in her dream but just as quickly. She found herself back on the solid banks of the river. All was he said Liana Child. This will be your first trial. If you help me to calm the Incan Yamba that rages beneath the falls. Then you will be one step closer to becoming a true Sangoma. Now take one of the gourds and pour the beer into the in Kenya. Nba's Pool Liana complied holding the Gourd out in front of her with shaky hands. She stepped as close to the pool's edge as she dared. Then she overturned the vessel. Watching the amber lager trickle down into the muddy water a pair of large yellow eyes appeared where the beer touched the surface. They blinked then fixed on the girl standing on the bank. Liana scrambled back toward Wasi and the goat. The eyes began to rise out of the water and soon Liana was face to face with the terrifying income Yamba. The creature looked down. It's long horse. Like nose at Liana locking is with her. As it's forked tongue flicked in and out of its mouth it rose impossibly high from the water it's long serpentine body twisting and writhing as it ascended. Soon the Incan Yamba towered a full twenty feet above the water surface. It's head bobbed Lazily. Back and forth almost drunkenly tasting the air with its tongue. It emanated a low sinister hiss that sent shivers down Liana Spine. The Incan Yamba hypnotic gaze was broken by Wasi who had begun tossing the gourds full of Amasi into the pool. At the base of the falls. She chanted in Zulu Incan Yamba Spirit of storm and strife. We bring this offering to you beer for your health and Amasi for your disposition. Who was he drew? Her long curved knife from her belt then pulled the goat forward closer to the river in one fluid motion. She drew the knife across the goat's throat. Bright Red Blood poured from the Gash soaking the ground beneath the dying goats. Feet Wasi dragged the creature to the edge of the pool. So it's blood could drip into the water as the goat died. Who was he said and blood to save your anger. Take this sacrifice in Kenya Mba and go in peace for moment. The Sky began to clear. The Incan Yamba stared down at the dead goat and the Sun Goma with her bloody hands the rain softened the fat droplets from moments before thinning into a drizzle then the Incan Yamba hissed with displeasure. It opened its mouth wide revealing its gigantic venomous fangs. Wasi dove out of the way narrowly avoiding being crushed in the serpent's jaws on hands and knees. The SANGOMA scrambled back to where Leeann stood. She looked up at Liana and the girl could see pure undisguised terror marring. The older woman's face Liana asked her. What do we do now? Wasi unable to speak just shook her head slowly though. She didn't say it out loud. Her answer was clear. I don't know next Liana. Save the village from the wrath of the Incan. Yamba now back to the story. Liana and the shell-shocked wuzzy retreated back to a copse of trees. They've made their sacrifice to the Incan Yamba. But the serpent's rage had not been calmed. The storm was getting worse. They joined the rest of the villagers who stood huddled against the rising wind. The people crowded around Wasi offering her water to drink. The old woman ignored them mumbling to herself over and over. I don't understand. It should've worked. It should have worked behind them. The Incan Yamba thrashed about in the pool below the falls it attacked the ground where the dead goat lay again and again each time the bee's struck a lightning bolt ripped through the sky striking the ground next to the creature's head. Liana quake in fear as she watched the Incan Yamba. If the storm didn't subside soon the crops and the entire village would be in danger. Guilt flooded her as she thought once more of her dream somehow she was certain. This was all her fault. Meanwhile will Wasi was pushing through the crowd. Her eyes were fixed on the fishermen who had I seen the Incan Yamba. She grabbed his arm insisting Masisi. Tell me again what happened. Why did the creature attack you? But before season could answer Liana shouted for him to stop speaking so that everyone could hear she said all was he. I have not been entirely truthful. You me about my dreams. Before whether I had any strange ones there is something. I have not told you this morning. I dreamed I was swimming in the river. I came upon a small boat and tried to eat a fishing lure floating in the water. When the fishermen hooked me I rose up and attacked him or Wasi Masisi. I dreamed I was the Incan Yamba. The creature did not Attack Masisi. I did using the in Kenya. Nba's body the creature is angry because I was angry. I am sorry. Liana wiped her face and was surprised to see her arm. Come back wet with tears. She was certain that the village would exile her for the pain she had caused but it was no more than she deserved. Then a hand caressed her cheek and Liana looked up into the kind is of all Wasi. The SANGOMA wiped the remaining tears from her cheeks. And said why are you crying child? This is good news. You did not really think it was you who controlled the in Kenya Mba. Did you the Incan? Yamba is a spirit ancient and powerful. Your Dream Only means that you have a connection with the creature. Perhaps with your help we can find a way to appease him was. He unsheathed her knife once more and gestured for Liana to hold out her arm. Liana winced as the older Sangoma made three shallow cuts on her upraised forearm. Careful to only slice deep enough to draw blood or Wasi reached into a pouch tied to her belt and produced small bottle filled with a yellow powder. One of the same ones. Liana had seen her take from her stores. In the hut offering a prayer Wasi shook the powder onto Leonidas proffered arm and pressed it into the cuts the herb stung horribly and it was all Liana could do to keep her arm steady Wasi reached again into the pouch. This time bringing out a bag of green powder. She shook some onto the back of Leon his hand and held it up to the girl's nose forcing her to inhale the effect was instantaneous. Liana felt alert and awake more than she had in months. Whatever herbal was he had forced her to take had given her a new clarity. She knew what she must do. Liana turned and walked toward the pool. Where the Incan? Yamba was still coiling. And unquestioning churning the water into a frenzy. She paused where the dead goat lay just long enough to coach her hands with its blood. Liana stood on the edge of the pool just feet from the angry serpent. She held her hands out over the water offering it to the Incan Yamba. Hissing savagely the Incan Yamba slowly. Inched its head toward the girl. It struck the air above her head. Its jaws snapping. Liana stood firm rivulets of blood trickling down her arms and staining her shirt the Incan Yamba brought its long nose level with Leon. `As it's Golden Eyes locked on hers. It flicked it's tongue out of its mouth once again tasting the air just centimeters above her bloody hands for just a moment. Liana was back inside the Incan. Yamba skin once again. She stared at herself with the serpent's is her instinct to attack tempered by her curiosity. The Incan Yamba was intrigued by this resolute young girl who refused to leave before it. Liana noticed that the corner of her or rather the in Kenya Mbusa's mouth was in pain. She and the creature bared their teeth as one and she felt a sharp jab in the meat of her cheek just as quickly as she'd been transported outside of herself. Liana was once more standing nose to nose with Ian Yamba. She could see something glinting in the low light. A metallic object caught at the edge of the great serpents. Maw bindly put it together it was MRIs fishhook still stuck in the mighty spirits mouth. This was why it had called the gathering storm. This was why it attacked a Wasi. It didn't want to sacrifice it only wanted the pain to stop slowly. Liana reach toward the Incan Yamba 's mouth. The creature recoiled slightly opening. Its mouth wide in preparation to strike. Liana could hear the villagers behind her gasp with terror pudding their fear and her own to the back of her mind. She laid her hand gingerly. On the Incan. Yamba broaden knows. The creature held incredibly still as Liana reached for the dirty steel hook that had pierced its cheek. She wiggled the hook back and forth working at free from the Incan Yamba 's jaws with one final tug. She pulled clear of the spirits mouth. Liana fell to the ground. The Hook clutched like a trophy in her upheld hand. The Incan Yamba reared up spitting and hissing in pain. Taking one last look at Liana the creature slipped back into the depths of the muddy field. A pair of Brown arms encircled Liana and she felt herself being dragged backward. Well clear of the pool and the monster within was. He looked down into her face. The long braided strands of her headdress. Brushing Leon his forehead like a gentle kiss was he said Liana. Are Y'all right still in shock. Liana couldn't do much more than nod. A new pair of hands hooked her under her armpits and she felt herself being lifted. Mris E. The fishermen hoisted her up onto his sturdy shoulders. The villagers gathered around talking excitedly as they grabbed Leon his hands and kissed her cheeks. The rain that the number sent down had now all but stopped. The midst retreated back toward the river and on the end of the horizon. Liana could just see a week ray of light punching through the dissipating clouds. The storm was over. Masisi cried thank the spirits for Liana the mighty Sangoma. She has banished the Incan Yamba back to its slumber and saved the village was he gestured for silence waving her buffalo tail baton above the crowd. She said yes child. You have saved the village but you still have a long way to go before you can call yourself a Sangoma. With proper guidance you can use your power to become the most powerful Sangoma. The village has ever produced. Go home now and sleep. You will need your rest for your real trading starts tomorrow. Liana nodded and smiled. She didn't know what challenges awaited her but she knew she had found her calling and she would not be alone deep in the recesses of her mind she could still feel the mighty spirit of the Incan Yamba for most of human civilisation. Rain has meant the difference between life and death but just as rain can nourish. It can also easily destroy before modern irrigation technologies. It often felt like a bountiful harvest depended on the whims of the Gods prayers offered up to Zeus. Thor Indra and the native American thunderbird were humanities only method of control when it came to unpredictable and untameable weather. It's notable that the Zulu people depicted the forces of weather not as a God but as a terrifying monstrous spirit. Their relationship with the Incan. Yamba is of fear and respect in which specific steps had to be taken to maintain a peaceful equilibrium. People could offer sacrifices in a tangible place like the pool at the base of Howick falls and hope their gift would appease it if there was no rain or storms that devastated the crops. The Incan Yamba has wrath. Was a convenient scapegoat. While it's easy to dismiss stories of creatures like the Incan Yamba as folktales thousands of people still believe in this creature today and believer or skeptic when the clouds gather and the pool below howick falls starts to royal. It might be a good idea to ask for the local Sangoma for. She alone knows how to calm the storm. Thanks for listening to mythical monsters will be back next week. With a new episode you can find all episodes of mythical monsters and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. 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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Preseason with Paul Asleson

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Preseason with Paul Asleson

"Hi, I'm your right aid. Pharmacist. Last flu season was the worst in nearly a decade. So this year it's even more important to come, get your flu shot. It's free with most insurance and you don't need an appointment. You'll be protecting yourself and everyone around you. So stop by your local Rite Aid today and help us create a flu free community vaccines available while supplies. Last age restrictions apply in some states, see pharmacist for details. From gay rights? No know your mama. Lay off. Sounds. As the r. h. Peyton Ambi. Some day. Right. Awesome school. I can sell you. The our ase. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the RH AP BNB or survivor David versus Goliath. I am Mike Goliath in bloom, talking about the pre season of survivor. Thirty seven. Another survivor US season is upon us. It's been a really fun summer filled with international seasons. We are back to take it to the land of opportunity for who has the opportunity to take home a million dollars. It's been awhile since I've done one of these insurance for survivors as you can tell, I'm rambling, but that is no difference to how I usually work. Let me just bring these people to say, can shut me up of I, the co-owner of the BNB the lovely Liana Boris Liana. How are you. I'm great. I like that this is the this, the land of opportunity. No, this is where this is where things go to die. I am beyond excited for this season. I think it has to do with the fact that I am totally in on this cast. I can't not wait to talk about everything, although I have to say, if you are Goliath in bloom, am I your David? And then does that make you Jessica Lewis? This is all very confusing to me, but I think we maybe by the end of the season can sort it out. Paul also listen, I know you are very methodical your head writer after all. Can you draw a rough whiteboard, like Jeff of the Cambodian finale as to who is what? And how does this tie-in to the y. blank lost our sister survivor podcast here on pups. Yeah, I feel like much like a David. I'm going to have to fight through a lot of this podcast of figure that out because that's a little bit too complicated for me because all I'm thinking about is where does crap is fawn. All this delay. The goliath. Pretty Goliath, like I mean, he's used to winning, right? I mean, you're the one that knows the myth more than I do. That's true by he doesn't eat the kids that I feel like you're Jeff prototypes with like a fighter, does some eating or throw in some them a David every time. So that's why I've Strack. I feel like the preseason stuff at anything you get with Jeff move, kind of learned. You can pretty much make anyone David and you can pretty much make anyone alive. So you know what, I think you should sell select Liana. What are you? What do you feel like you are. I think I need BuzzFeed to help me out on that one. I'm excited to take the quiz to answer whether or not I am David or Goliath, or maybe a cramp is thrown. As the other answer. I only analyze my personality based on quizzes. I take online, so very, very healthy of you. So let's talk about this. Let's talk about survivor David versus Goliath at the time of recording this. The cast dropped about a few weeks ago. I got together with rob the day drop to talk through our basic. You know, first impressions of the cast and a couple of twists upper thrown in, and I'm sure we're going to be talking about over the course of this podcast. I know at the time of recording this, we also very recently got a drop of Nicole and robs requisite Cass analysis. I one out has also come out in the past couple of weeks, so we have some preseason fair to get into. I want to start with a point that you made Liana I'm we'll get into more details obviously over the course of this podcast, but what are you thinking about the David's and the glides, considering what we know about them so far. Okay. So my overall impression on the cast is that everybody is actually really interesting, and I know that that sounds bizarre. Right? I mean, there are people who are cast on reality TV. They're supposed to be interesting. Everybody's supposed to have a story, but I feel like the diversity of the cast, both, you know, in age and background in raise really just make everybody so unique and gives everybody an interesting story. And even the people who you know like Alec, for example, who looks like he may be was plucked from the jersey shore really gone for that. Polly. D haircut? Yeah. Is he my favorite? No, no, no. But it was up to you and say, yes, the cast is super interesting. We have so many interesting people and we have Alec and Alec up, you know what? He plays a part on the season. You know, we talk about, I don't wanna season. That is all super fans. I don't wanna season. That is all recruits. And so having really a good diversity to the cast, I think is just so important. And I cannot wait to watch his people interact. Act with each other. I, I'm just pumped. How dare you malign Alec Merlene. No. I know for a fact that his social media is extremely interesting. That's right. Yes. So, okay, we, we should talk about this because I completely forgot not to go on a little bit of a tangent, but there was as Mike was referencing a post on social media. I believe it was Alec posted it and Kara k. I think was the other one who is in the picture and they posted on social media before they're supposed to do so survivor was like, oh my gosh, you know, maybe they're going to get find like five million dollars or something. And I think Alec actually ended up getting banned from the the reunion as a result of this. So yes, he's even he brings his own drama, how exciting I like how you said they would be fine, five million dollars. So I just love this idea of like, alright, Alec for you know, doing this, you owe us four million dollars even if you won the show. Yeah, right. Exactly. I don't know. Exactly. You know it's one of those threats also because I think you know how much money do we think that this man hasn't his Bank account. I highly doubt anywhere close to five billion. Oregon, the show, and that's why he had her bake something online was to get some more tension. So I think firms the fact that he is most born cast member now, most pretty sure that I recall reading his bio and I think I talked about this on a podcast that I did with rob. I'm pretty sure he said like, I have zero dollars in my Bank account right now. So. A little bit of a stretch Ileana. Well, maybe he had five million before he broke his underway and had to pay the some sort of fee. We have to have defines a poll. What are you thinking about this cast overall echo everything. Liana said, I think the age factor is a lot better in this cast. I think that we didn't walk go walk away from this cosmic, oh my God, these people are all so young. So even the people in their twenties, most of them are twenty five or older. So I think that I'm very positive based on how big brother went this summer in the way casting went with that. I'm really hopeful that that carries over into the season because I think that this was a really, really good, good bunch of people with a lot of different backgrounds. So I'm really excited dive into this with both of you to that point. It's interesting in that. I do agree that. I think from an agent a, you know, a ethnicity perspective, very, very diverse, especially again compared to something like ghost island, who Wally enjoyed that cast as people. They definitely skewed towards those those twenty something, you know, beach body types. And so I'm happy that we sort of have explored people from more walks of life. It is really interesting that if you look at like where everyone comes from, it's all California, Texas, Florida, New York, and then like a couple of other random states thrown in there. So I guess when you're looking at something at the outset, something like geography might not necessarily matter to the story of a person because I can even argue that like Carl and Elizabeth, for example, who both come from Texas or two completely different people with two completely different stories. Right. And then when you talk about California people, sometimes it's a k- how many of them are actually real California people. Like if we look back at Cook Islands, I remember that came out. It was like, oh, my God, seventy percent of this cast is from California. And so I, I don't think I, I don't think California people necessarily equates to to the diversity in geography. Because so many. So many of the California's than on the show do hail from somewhere else originally wanted. I think also because the number of people have followed their career, they've ended up moving to a number of different places. So like you know, even though let's say, I think Jeremy. He was one of the group in South Carolina. I think now he lives in New York. So you know, even though. Yeah, sure. He's New York City. He still has sort of interesting background in where he came from. Well, we'll certainly get into more individualise off on these cast members as the BNP progresses of before we get into where usual fair. I want to bring up once more that we will be doing our sealed predictions for the season. Aka Liana wins game where for those that might not be aware of it, myself and Liana are going to over the course from now until Wednesday, write down what we think each person is going to do on the show and how they are going to do then when that person is voted out every week, we're going to read what we ROY. What about them preseason Liana. Are you already how many bottles of wine I should ask? Did you buy in order to prepare yourself for these preseason butts? So I haven't come up with my strategy yet for how I'm going to write the is I was thinking, maybe I would let Alexa write them for me. I thought about just sort of like twitch played Pokemon sort of crowd source it. We'll see. I really wanted to be an even playing field Mike. Thank you. On requesting your identity before you are definitely Goliath when it comes to this time definitively a David Wright, and then I can never go back to being David. So this shows official or unofficial head writer. I'm not sure which. I do have to issue the statement at might you refer to this as the Liana wins game, we actually refer to refer to it as the Mike loses game. It more emphasis on Mike sabotaging himself rather than Leon, actually winning look. So I'm going to try my best to not self sabotage which is difficult to say in three, my general proclivities in life, but I realized that we were doing the big brother stuff over the summer for the to be that you know what? I think I am better at reading fan fiction than writing fan fiction. So Liana I would love to see what's creativity you bring to your predictions this season, whether it be Alexa flex place Pokemon you could do. You could put in a bunch of different predictions into a robot and have it right something like it did for those olive garden commercials that I saw on Twitter. That one time I'm thinking I'm going to take the format that we use in the big brother one where I'm going to write like three or four bullets things that they might do in the game. I think I definitely shot myself in the foot, particularly with, you know, my go. Ghosts of Patrick alliance has you know. Is nothing compared to the Kris noble Chelsea towns in showman's that I created for goes. I know it really is the Mike sabotage game because you just write paragraphs upon paragraphs. I think I just wrote one there was like the most generic simple one and somehow ended up beating you because you just go on and on and on. You just need to go completely other direction. Just say she gets voted out. He gives them what it out. He wins, you know what I'm going to have. I'm going to have Rupert right then he might not be on Twitter, but I'll see if I can reach out to him. He might still be traveling around the world for one reason or another, but maybe that might be the best way to go well, so okay, if you're going to write them rave, you're gonna follow some sort of, we know, you know, you're super into literature of mice and men. And so I think if you are going to ride it just follow the cease spot, run format. So it's like, see, Angelina, see, Angelina Placerville, ever. See, Angelina give voted out of survivor. And I think that's really what you gotta stick with that as your key, your. Mood, two birds with one stone because I also teach basic sentence structure to those Howard checking this podcast out in how fun is that for us to listen to. Yeah. Oh my God. I was riveted just listening to that very as exciting as as you guys think of Alex prospects right now. So that's just I'm putting opinion. Now. We'll see how we each prepare a remarks. I am ready or some revenge baby quote the outcasts of survivor, Pearl islands. We'll see if that actually plays out. I want to get into this cast let let's talk about the cast through something. We've been doing the past two seasons here on the BNB with our preseason podcasts. Let's talk about some superlatives. So we've come in here with a list of some superlatives and based purely on our preseason views of these people are going to try to predict who is going to be the most likely to do whatever activity or have something happened to them on the island. This had another one Liana that I feel like it's always fun to revisit when the season ends. Oh yeah. It's always so fun because most of them are wrong, but every once in a while you have one you are so spot on with and it's like, oh my God, I'm a genius. I'm the most brilliant person in the history of ever and it doesn't matter everything else can be completely wrong. I think you might most likely to flip laurel, brilliant on the money on the money. This is always a lot of fun. I can't wait to go through all of this full. Let's get into it. Then we're going to start with a pretty traditional one. Most likely to find an idol poll of these twenty people who do you think is most likely to find an idol will know my. There is action ultimate spelling in how to spell idol on. It's spelled. He AT and I just think that hat is like gotta find an idol. He was the reason this theme exists. He is like the family man, hardworking, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, if he does not find idle in the first three episodes, I will be shocked. I would actually be not surprised if all of a sudden like one of his tattoos is an idol, like somehow all my guys what the palm tree. Ever the idols have been predetermined. They are tattoos all the contestants bodies. We partnered with ink master on paramount network, the tattoo idols on people. I was picturing like that seeded. Second chance for Jerry. He goes off to find the lanterns Zygi follows that lantern into the woods or whatever. But there's kind of like a little tattoo parlor setup, Tiki hut tattoo parlor until you actually get a tattoo in the middle of the night use an idol is they're like, okay, okay, Jeremy step into the laser machine and. Will Kurt Wilkerson becomes out and he removes the tattoo tribal. Yeah, I don't know if you get to keep it. I thought it was already a tattoo on him. I mean, considering the Pat was the guy that apparently this entire season was based around. You know, I thought maybe there would have been some inspiration. Visible in these CBS photos. So I'm a, we're onto something. I mean, he does all ready having immunity necklace considering has that like necklace tattooed around him. So maybe I like this tattoo idle idea because you could also do fake idols by taking a sharpie and drawing like an idol on your skin. No, it's like one of the temporary tattoos. You'd get up and jump ropes like rubs it off like this is not a hit. Official test is just like he just hiked Dipsy licks his finger and like runs the you. This is brilliant. All right. We should write this one down the next time. You know, we need to come up with some survivor ideas. Liana who do you think is most likely to find an idol? Yeah. Okay. So I think hat is a good person, but I really think that Nick, we could see out there looking for idols. I know you know, he is a super fan also, you know, numbers don't lie. We have a tendency to see more males find idols. And I feel like he seems very where aware of his surroundings could be looking for potential clues. So I see neck finding an idol out there. I could see it. I'm just worried that Nick is to focus on getting his slingshot ready as we've seen from the myriad survivor promos. In the past couple of weeks that he might not be able to find an idol divide his time equally. How is he not bounded by now? I've been seeing those Bravo's for weeks. Gotta go get my slingshot. All right, buddy. Actually, that would be really fun if we do not see a challenge that involves a slingshot, I will be very upset. Yeah. Maybe they should do that instead of like the physical contact challenge. They're all just the all stand up on a balance beam, and you have to like fire. Not rocks, but like beanbags asked them to knock them off the balance beam. The player rocks at each other. That's very TKO of you. Mike. But I would be down for it. I mean, Kevin Hart did make an appearance at the ghost island finale so there could be more cross coverage even though that did film before this who knows who knows at this point in time is a flat circle. Well, I don't know this because I stopped watching TKO because did you guys know it got moved to Fridays at nine pm. I think it share was like point three or something ridiculously low. But anyway, because there could be a contestant on TKO that's now in this season of survivor. Maybe Powell was on TKO. I don't know. I feel like I'll get out my tinfoil hat. I'll walk through this later. It just magin Kevin Hart be like, come on tattoo, man, watch over the big spike vols. Well, for my pick, I'm going to go with Carl, just because Jeff pro said that Carl, one of the things that he really liked about him is that he has sort of has this don't give an f attitude, and I'll give a bit of a spoiler for this season of Australian survivor so far. So to now for the next thirty seconds, if you don't want to hear it, all that might be MU as well. I don't know if you've caught up at this point. I'm pretty caught up. But it's very, I could see curl doing a very like Shane Gould like maneuver where he knows there's an idol him back at camp. He'll walk in front of his allies grabbed the idol at from like under a tree and just like put it in his cowboy hat and walked away. I get totally see that too. Don't fuck with Carl Boudreau. Yes, he I, I like that idea because of that attitude, but I also feel like that's the same attitude that will lead him to not care to bridles at all. So it could go either way. I don't know. I still, I think I put my money on either Nick cooked both ways. We never know as well. There's going to be a bunch of idols hidden. I'm assuming and also this idol nullify. We'll see how that turns up. Who knows if call finds an idol nullify, or he might just not give an f. and decided not to use it to. No. Do you think he'd go home with it in his pocket. That's a good question. We didn't. We didn't have that as a guest. We can put this as a sub topic. Do we have any picks as to who would be most likely to go home with like some sort of twist in their pocket, whether it be a idle mole, fire, legacy advantage, etc. Paul, I mean, just based on the pre-game stuff, I just feel like maybe someone like Jeremy, who's kind of you get the idea. Very, very confident in himself in various feels that he knows what he's doing would someone would maybe be someone to go home with that occupied. It isn't that I don't know if anyone's sticks out. You think having an idol in the low fire in your pocket, when you go home, do you think that's going to have the same stigma? I feel like no one's gonna care like, okay. Well, let's be really you'll. So you're saying if they go home with a well, I, if you went home with an idol notifier in your pocket and the regular idol took you out, then that would have the same level of embarrassment. But if not, it'd be like. That's a perfect use of like the final words. This person like, oh, I didn't use asylum the fire. Hey, all right. Onto recess. Hashtag that Russia spell that, but h. e. h. s. tag. All right. Let's move on. You're actually very nice segue into our next topic here most likely to get a hashtag podcast. Mike anyway, continue. You're very much Goliath all when it comes to that Liana who who do you think is most like big a hashtag out of this group? Okay. I'm actually really proud of this one. I think it's going to be be because I think it's gonna be hashtag sting like a bee. I feel like it's going to be hashed hashtag is easy as hashtag ABC at Subic AB I see you guys trust way too much in CBS marketing to come up with these hash. They came up with Sean coffee's for closers. So, well, I agree with you. The fact that these Dame is most likely to like fit into Random House shakes, but I actually disagree that you get that that she'll be interesting enough in the show to warrants that many hashtag, okay, here's my, here's what's going to happen. It's going to be her boot up because we're not gonna see her for like three episodes until it's going to be her and she's an MA fighter. So definitely gonna eat alive. I like flow like about a fly sting like a bee hashtag sting like a bee bee. I. I think it's written done deal. Maybe you should write your predictions exhaustible. You should write your predictions using the hash tags that will show up on the screen for when they sort of like what we did with the superhero names in big brother. That's actually not about idea down. Right? All it seems like you are antibody on this one. Who do you think is most likely to get a hashtag here? I just think we have to if I'm doing the most likely I went to pick someone for sure. The show wants to highlight someone who's been on reality TV show before someone who is a writer as someone who is a comedian. So it's gonna be might. I mean, I just feel like he's going to give them gold with no want to use and stuff that will easily transfer into a hashtag. So that is my prediction is Mike. Yeah, I feel you is. I went with someone who the show wanted on there. He was on reality. TV is not a writer, but I mean, John Hennigan a wrestler is on the show who is all about, like delivering soundbites for a promo, you'd have to believe they're gonna milk them hashtags out of him forever. How long his on the show, right. We'll yeah, hashtag mayor of slam town, right? I mean, I feel he's got in verse wanted Jane Wednesday, night delight. What was there is. One particular like turn of phrase that he used that really got Josh going. I know I tweeted this out, but I think the first one was really fantastic because I think it really highlights it's great cast. But the highlight for me, honestly might be Josh becoming namrd with John had again because they kept cutting back several types you could hear, Josh is just like so giddy and besides themselves, it's so fantastic up and he calls everyone douche bags, turned cutters and chump stains. Yeah, it's like he's a writer for the BNB. How do we get this guy as most to get a being be hashtag, that's for sure. Seriously of in. He's I'm super excited for John. I mean, do I think he's gonna win? Probably not, but he really entertained me on. I went out. I mean, I get it. It's his job, but the fact that Josh was definitely enamored with him, I think is my favorite thing that Josh said was, or you could be the mayor of slam town. Like they'd be, there's this fictional place called slam town. Maybe that's what the BNB is who coming to you live from slam town. It's j. p. BNB because we like to slam the contested. Apparently if your name is. Yeah. And then they're like sign for our town. Can you know it's the population sign? It'll be like three third cutters. Are we are realtor cutters? Have we have? We don't know what Liana one makes you a turt- cut. You know yourself Liana. So Paul, as it turned cutter. Again, I do not self identify deterred cutter Ivy podcast, Goliath. Now Paul as a douchebag, how do you think voting tonight's going to differentiate yourself from the Trump stains. I don't know Mike as a pain in the ass. What are you. Well, that's not too far from John's other theme, which is what like artists, academics and assholes. Yeah. Oh man. He's gonna be so much fun. I can't wait Hortus. You guys are known for your creativity academics. Your brains make the world work assholes. God, you guys just suck. All right bunch. It's your challenge. Yeah. Well, I think it was Jeff Probst and the first first one out, you know, talking about how the Goliath responded to being called Goliath. Can you imagine it'd be like, all right, so tribe Asfaw. I'm sorry. CBS CBS says we cannot say, asshole. We need to say a whole. Gene may hole. Boy, that might make things worse. All right. Let's move on here. Let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum most likely to get a purple edit Paul who's purposing this season. I think for me, I after just go with the person to me that in the preseason is the most mysterious to me that I get a bike gotten the least from I you guys both know this, but I have been without a phone for the past vica over week. So by podcast with Ning has taken a quite a bit of a nosedive. So maybe this person is a huge hit on on some the podcast, but I don't really know that much. Don't understand who Natalia is. So for me, I'm gonna say, she's my most purple. She's on the purple tribe and the preseason stuff. I just I don't. I don't really fully understand her. Liane GED feel like there's an impression that everyone just sort of like, okay, Natalia. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't necessarily think she's going to get a purple edit. I think she was the one on. I one out who sort of got maybe the most negative first impressions from some of the other cast members. I think people are probably a little bit intimidated by her. So I don't think she's necessarily going to get a purple edit. I people have made sort of the Gonzalez comparisons to her being a little bit maybe boisterous than louder. She describes herself, I think, is confident charismatic once. So I don't think that that really fits with somebody who has a Herpel at it necessarily. I said, Kara, first of all, herbal bikini. So you know, obviously. And then also she was the one who Roker NDA. So you know, if you're a producer you trying to get out. Purple at it. Exactly. And you know, she was a person who was on survivor not as JP as JP, but you know, she wasn't someone who really stood out to me is going to be this really dynamic, strong character on the seat then no, the the JP award has to go to Pat right with his all the Yunos. He threw into his talking with Josh. Or or quarrel with man pulling like the his best Judd sergeant impression and putting like seventy five man's in his conversation. Man, you know, I don't know. That could be a little brutal. We'll see how the editor shoes to maybe edit around those ticks. So I put in there the opposite of like a b. that stingers out just because I thought that like she, I think that she has a compelling story, but I wonder like if she's just known for her physical prowess, I wonder how much of a story line can be associated with that concerning that. Like even someone like Chelsea who won two immunities, they didn't really carve out a story line for her, but I ended up going with Jessica just because I know Jessica is the youngest person out there, but I don't know. I just feel like she's her edit might be more of a will wall than a Michael yoga. If we're talking about other eighteen nineteen year olds were like, she seems totally nice, and I like the fact that she is like a superfan in disguise and how you know she feels like she's mentally older than she actually is. But I don't know something just tells me that with all the shenanigans that are going on in the David tribe. I don't know if Jessica will repeat the top of the heap when it comes to content. I think I'm more on the team be just so that I can also support the on his hash tag theory and have some kind of hashtag that's like hashtag be seen not her or something. Here he a b. stick. Nope, that doesn't work. I. Let's like speak softly. Gary, a beast. No, we ought to. You are definitely David. Okay. Maybe by the end of this podcast, I can become Goliath for me Jessica feet. Actually, if you're, you know, we're going to talk about comparisons to younger castaways. I think she's more of a Julia some last week, and maybe it's just because they're young blonde women. But I think she will is somebody who probably is wiser for her age, but it's still young and the which has given me. She's nineteen years old, right? Like this isn't a negative against her in any way, but I just think she's definitely going to fall more in sort of that side of things. I could see her maybe getting a little bit of Annetta later on. But yeah, well, she really stand out as a dramatic character. I think that's probably not gonna happen. Let's get into this next one. I'm really excited about this one most likely to flip because I'm going to pick someone right now. I might stake all my predictions in this on this one. You gonna go with devilish. Davey, look, this man has promised to be a radical to even his own allies. I am very excited for Davey because listen, I'm happy to be wrong and he excels on the game, but I am predicting a pretty fun flame out for daybreak in backer because it just seems like he's going to be very flippant and very chaotic. Which I always have fun with. So I see him flip flopping at least three times pre-marriage personally. Well, Davies, the newcomer, right? He was the replacement. Yeah, yes, him so he does have his, you know, fire under in his belly that he's gonna you know, go out swinging, so I could definitely see that. Yeah, so spoiler alert he was actually my answer is well, because he's describes himself as a Radic who's get, you know, if you describe yourself as a Radic I feel like you could also just say, oh, yeah, dumb. Most likely to flip. And as I watched more and more about him, I was like, okay, somebody needs to give this guy Xanax, like calm down, breathes like, I'm sure you know, he's super excited. He got the call sixty hours ago to whatever to go out and play survivor. The maybe a little bit of that will come down once he doesn't have food for a little bit, but I could totally totally see him flipping. So I I did say him, but I guess in the spirit of picking somebody else, I think. Oh. I think I'm gonna go with Natalia, actually. I think that people what? Why is that funny? I don't know. Just like she's like the star of like all said, she's not going to do anything that you said? Nope. She's gonna flip. Yeah, she was trying to this is likely on just like f you to me, thanks Leon, such a chump change. I think actually most likely to have a hashtag because can big brother, nine. You had a contest name, Natalie, and she went by hashtag naughty nasty net Talia. So I think that's, that's be hash take you. I think she's going to be huge character. And as someone who's had a phone for the past week, I just really feel. A phone in one handed a b. stick and the other one. Someone who's up to date on every podcast that's been out in the last week. So Paul as someone who's lived under a rock for the past week, how do you as a rock dwellers versus trees Weller. Please tell me why because people don't like her. Yes. Yeah, I think I think honestly, I think she's going to be a little bit ostracized by her own try. And so I think if she is someone who's able to make a swap or make the merge, I think she somebody who could flip against her original quote, unquote alliance or tribe mates to go with aggressive screener. We'll leave, let's compromise. Okay users or compromise the tally clips. The show them show it. Okay, that's how we get. And no one gets a hashtag. I liked that because unlike they'll be like, oh, that vote was seventy four who else flipped. And just see. Like of turnover built like, oh, I guess she did. Sorry. Did you have one? I, yes, I, my pick was going to be Nick. Just someone who knows the game involves the online community. And you know, just someone who understands the game in hopefully realizes when a really beneficial time would be. Let's move to the other side once again, least likely to flip Liana. Do you have a candidate here. Okay. So I really like a rally. Sal, you definitely gonna tell you this is just hedging my bets. If I say to tally for everything, definitely get one right. No. So I actually John it was somebody who I know he flipped people professionally for years. But you know, he's somebody who kept preaching loyalty. He said he's going to be loyal to the people that he's loyal to, which I think kinda makes sense. That's how that works. You somebody who I think, you know it was gonna find a strong alliance. He's good stick with them. They may turn on him, but I don't think he's gonna flip on them. Oh, how do you feel about that? Well, I mean, I definitely did. I gravitate to a lot of people on the Goliath tribe looking at someone who are kind of like confident what they do, and they just seem like you know, upstanding citizens in people like Natalie in like John characters like that. But I take him actually going to switch over to David tribe and say, Elizabeth. Elizabeth, she got inspired rather show back in season two. And I just feel like her mentality is knocked the chain from that. I think she's very, she's a religious person. She's a very like moral person. I don't. I can see her not flipping on some some moral reasons. See, I I had that thought is well initially, but I remember that. I think like Jeff said, she loves the, you know, three things in her life. You know, her ranch, her family and survivor. And I wonder if she sort of comes in with that superfan mentality and not say she's a superfan, but more of like a hardcore fan if that makes a difference mentality of like, well, you're not playing survivor if you don't make this move. So I wonder if she, you know, I could see a scenario where she might be resolute, but I also see a scenario where she's like, I'm playing survivor. I gotta take advantage of this yolo or yo PO. You only play once. And so she decides to flip and multiple, you know, screw her chances later on. I do think she compares herself to big Tom. So we know what a dynamic game player. Big pump was. Big, Tom had the record for most number of days played, so we can't. We can't fault them too much, and it's true. You only played twice yoyo. I ended up going away with I've wind up because what's going with David as well with Lisa because I similar to what you were saying about John Liana. I know Lisa had been talking bid in one of her videos about how like if she makes a friend with somebody, she's going to stick with them until the end. She's very much about loyalty and honesty. So I mean, I think a really striking personality in a look as well. But I could see her as someone who would like solidly be someone's number two, and maybe none of -sarily putt them even if it's most viable. Yeah, no, I think that that actually totally makes sense. I think she is somebody who is very, you're. And in the same vein, we fiercely loyal. So I could get fierceness cuts. Both ways. Religion takes fiercer, Lisa. Ooh. Ooh, you're writing Lee honest predictions for her at this point. All right, let's let's move on here most likely to get medevac hall. Hopefully we do not get visitation from Dr Joe this season, but if we do considering the horrible, whether they face this season, who's most likely to fall here? Well, other than the Talia, I think really gravitate or. Some days, eve just seems like if he's a Radic in all these areas that he talks about, maybe he's also like a Mike sue ban or a boo from Fiji where he just runs into things all the time difference himself. So that was my first inclination. Other than that, I don't know that there's that easy target because you don't have super. I mean, it gets Mike is many might using the older. I don't know. I was actually thinking sort of a along similar lines of either Mike or Christian because their eyes are closed. So they're just going to run into like miss the Mr. Magoo theory. Yeah, exactly. 'cause they couldn't find a picture with their eyes open, I think is the joke. So yeah, that's what I went with. Yeah, I had a couple of minutes here. I said that be would kick a log Ola, Gandhi a- and get medevac for like breaks point. I also said that Allison and might do like a personal checkout might be like, I don't think I'm too well. I can. I did a checkup on myself, so I'm going to check myself out of the game. Shake kick a log like a b. As they're known to do work workshop Liana. All right. Let's move on to our next one here. This is a fun one most likely to get blasted on survivor social media and listeners. I absolutely love you, but I think you all can admit that during the season things get a bit frenetic in the internet and they're liable to, you know, really heap the criticisms onto certain people like kellyn really gone at last season in laurel. We had Ryan get at the season before. I know Zeke has gone nip before too. So based on all that Liana, what do you think is most likely to be on the on the end of the beasts? Dick survivor social media. Well, I was thinking about what all of those people have in common and it's if they're least likely to flip. I feel like something so I'm gonna go with the taller. I'm just kidding. I don't know. I really had a hard time with this one. It seems like you know, it really could go any which way I feel like coral is somebody who I could see them either loving or hating right either. They love the fact that he doesn't give enough or they hate the fact that he doesn't give enough mainly because like maybe that's how I feel. And I, I'm definitely a creature of the sub read it. So maybe I'll go with Carl from my answer all. I think for me, I would I. You talked a little bit Allison. The brought her up Mike. In the last question, Allison as a lot of hands vibes to me, she's a doctor from North Carolina has kind of her stuff together at. I can just see her being someone who for some reason because I think she's so put together and she, I think she's going to be confident when she's doing if she does something that the only doesn't like or she's not with the people that he online want her to be with that I can see maybe people taking out on her narrow enough Alison wants to be an unconscious and Candice once called someone rat cancer. Actually, I really, I really liked the answer because I think also, you know, she was the person who if I remember correctly from I one out had a lot of pushback to, you know, the Goliath moniker where you know she was like, well, I worked so hard to be here, blah, and I could see that not necessarily playing all that. Well, I sort of hedge my bets here and what would someone who I think sort of unfortunately fits the mold of some of the other contestants that have been, you know, raked over the coals before by the internet. I'm going to, I hope this isn't the case because I really like him, but I'm going to go with Christian here just because I feel like Christmas someone who is brave enough to even I won out. He put out a bunch of his own theories about the game, which I know when you do that is to write for discussion and picking apart by the internet populace. And especially if the show decides to lean on him a law for things like narration. I could see something along the lines of like, we don't need to see Christian. We already saw David Wright Cochran at cetera. We don't need to see this again. Like if he gets whatever the opposite of purple edited is like way too much exposure. Yeah, violet like an infrared at it. For blasting you in the face. Oh, okay. Speaking of Sudoku Sam. So inside survivor, released pictures, press photos. From the first episode, there's a picture of Christian. He looks like a cast member from Lord of the rings. I swear to God. He looks just like Sam wise GAM g like he's got his some sort of maybe pants or sweater thing like wrapped around his neck and he's got the like the hobbit hair I couldn't. I was like, I was shocked by it all shall tweet it out later. Now Paul, the Lord of the rings series of films that came out in the early two thousands about this. Say, what's a load of the ring. How dare you. All right. Let's let's move on here. While the our listeners are taking a break to go to inside survivor and see how Christian is making the David camp. Looked like Hobbiton. Let's talk about. We talked about transitioning from David to Goliath. Who do we think of this cast is most likely to go from David to Goliath or vice versa? Which again, it's still a debate as to whether that's free goes both ways, but let's just says, no, I know we'll, we'll see. Maybe they can change the game in that regard. Maybe they can teach, Jeff at a Goliath can become a David hallum, assuming them by that logic, did you go with David that would hopefully become Goliath. I mean, had I known the other was an option. Maybe it would have said that the Talia will go back to her rightful spot as David. But no, I went the other way around in a little bit hopeful for I could see something like something like a Gabby who re at the Christian Christmas, like a true nerd. I think average is way more of the Aubrey nerd. So I think what I'm hoping is that someone like Gabby like really proves that she actress council boss at this aim in his really super socially good and stuff like that and said, by the end, you know that she really comes into her own as Goliath, but whom I can pregnant be Pat. I think if anybody is going to make the transition, I think it's going to be Alec. But probably not to a David either to, you know, I don't know. The no collar tribe I think is really where Alex belongs. So I think if anyone's gonna make a transition, it's hip. So you're saying there Alec will transfer not only to a tribe this season, but I try from a completely different survivor season. Yes. All right. We'll go with it. I to couple of options here. I was thinking be it I because I could see against someone who honestly might be the most like physically adept for survivor right now. I could see her dominating the challenges which sort of makes her Goliath, but I'm gonna go with the Goliath in bloom. Here. I'm gonna go with hot cop, Dan because I could see something like again, Jeff's we're talking about how he is finding his self esteem and sort of becoming this this new persona that he lost a lot of weight and obviously to a big social media following. But I feel like he's also just such a down to earth relatively normal guy for being the social media sensation that I could see him. You know, maybe deferring to the David's or maybe he sort of gets lost. In the shuffle shuffle and other people sort of dominate him in the game. I, I just feel like if a ranking people by something like Goliath, like status, he might be at the bottom of the Goliath tribe. So he's most likely to fall off their to the other end of the spectrum. He's not what I forget what he's on the Goliath tribe. Yeah. Yeah, see, I keep forgetting. We go, see, that's that's my my point already made the transition. You cut down my points and the new like subtly feed into my points. I see how it is. Liana is a long con for me. I'm here to play to be fair. My pinions are turds and she's a Turkey cutter. So that's just her natural process. All over the other names but monitor, that's that's what the war brought up Bradley. So you were close. In your head. Version, its butt munch versus sixty nine versus slam town Shambo versus Shambhu. Oh my God actually. Okay. So I was going back thrill. I was whatever. So there was an exchange that Bradley had, and I don't know if either of you remember this, but I wanted to bring it up because I thought we could maybe make it a relative, but then I forgot. So there was a woman who posted on Bradley's Instagram who said you remind me of my son before he left. And then Bradley said, thanks. And then the woman said, it wasn't a compliment. He went to prison. I didn't have time to think of like most likely to be told that they're like someone son, but for a bad reason or something like that. But I didn't complete with flush out. So I figured I would really work wheels on it on the podcast which is such a better place to really think their ideas really repairing beforehand, build the plane as you go is how we do it on the DNB. That's right. That's right. Where where to go serve our country, where to go to the peace corps where. When you went to prison, don't drive the bus. I build the bus anyway. All right. Sanjay over. All right. Let's move on to our final superlative here. I'm calling this the Dominic abate award for most likely to hold a watch party with the most cast members. I feel like Dominic withholding, watch parties all throughout the entire season last year that brought in a bunch of different people from the tri-state area Liana. Who are you thinking is going to again, we talked about how everyone sort of comes from five areas this season who's gonna be the most likely to hold a party that brings together, although their fellow Davidson goliaths. Yeah, it was actually thinking they're going to be a competing watch parties from these different epicenters. For example, Mike white, maybe the LA rep, Jeremy. The New York rep, Lisa, the Boston rep, and then they're going to sort of come to blows and they, we're going to have an offshoot of survivor and it's going to be watch party. And then it'll be like, you know, five watch party is one watch party again, haven't thought of. It's very confusing, syntax. All right. Hold on the good that you're. The sealed predictions seasons don't revolve around theories like this because I think Mike would actually beat you on that wearing a low bar. A low bar. I have an opportunity to read write some and not come up with them on the fly. But yes, so I think that there could be a serious competition or the most likely to hold the watch party with the most cats. I ended up going here with Angelina because she said that one of her hobbies was hosting Margarita nights. I feel like that's a great losing some people into just like sip on some drinks and watch them survivor. Yeah, good call. I should do the same thing for my prediction. Yeah, I had hosted Margarita tonight by yourself, five predictions, one prediction. Right through the night. Right. Actually, I think Magsi is supposed to come up with me and we're going to drink Margaritas and right predictions together. So off to talk to her about that. All right, Paul. What about you who's most likely to hold a watch party. Shoe horn in the last contest that we haven't talked about. Just gonna wanna talk about her and I wanna say Natalie because she's kind of a mother figure. She's gonna be entries wealthy probably can roll a big party and destroy like her. She's a really interesting character and I can't wait to see it as the show. I had nine only down as well for totally the same reason. Like I could see her just had a bunch of people over to her house or they have a big Bangor in a empty warehouse somewhere. But it is interesting like, yeah, I agree that Natalie might be one of the biggest characters coming into this season, but it's interesting that you didn't really fit many the the the superlatives that we gave out to this. Yeah, I think part of that and I think she stupor interesting, but she, you know, has a lot of things working against her, and I think somebody who is more likely to win the Pearl is somebody who's as in the game for a little longer. Although I did think about putting her is least likely to flip because she would have no opportunity to flip. Now that being said, I do. You hope that she goes deep. Do I think it's going to happen. Maybe not so much, but she is a bad ass and totally awesome in. I would probably go to a watch party that she hosted. Yeah, and I, I also put her down for like a third place candidate for at least likely to flip because she wants to be all about calling the shots. And I could see that like maybe by that logic, if you're if you're calling the shots, you're not the one who's deciding to flip in that moment. Yeah, exactly. And then sadly she gets flipped on upon. All right. Well that that'll do it for our superlatives. So we'll lock these away as well more revisit at the end of the season, but it's a nice way to sort of like horse, our thoughts on the cast through these various towers that we created. Yes, I'm very excited to see how poorly we all did, and then only took ninety minutes to get through the mall. The premiere episode. Okay. So I actually, you know, no, we haven't played any games yet, but I really wanna talk about this so badly. So we're going to continue this season with are sort of three questions segments. I guess where each of us gets an opportunity to bring up something that we really want to talk about, and I really wanna talk about this, how do we think this theme will impact gameplay? Now, I know that there's a lot of, oh, millennial gen-x was only important for the first couple of weeks or a coupla episodes, and then you know it wasn't a big deal, but I just got this sense from the way, Jeff ropes was talking about it in first one out, it seems like there does. There might be some impact of the season, and I actually heard it described on, I think on read it as the noble poor versus the privileged monsters. Which really makes me laugh. So I'm just curious your thoughts on how you know how he thinks that this team is going to impact the game. What are you know this very early on back in survivor, Fiji at the Cook Islands, Tonelli win, win. Survivor. Fiji was kind of was bubbling in people talking about it. There was a lot of rumors at that time about if they were going to do something similar to this because it, oh, we have these two extremes. We have like dreams who were homeless than you have. You know, a Harvard educated lawyer in Alex is there was not a buzz about the time in that season. Obviously went in a different direction where they had the haves and have nots in. It was more of not necessarily what anything to do with where they came from, but they were just kinda given those two roles of people who have it all on the people who have to fight hard on the island was kind of funny that it took so long to get back to anything even close to this. I think normally the things really don't matter that too much. But like you said, Leon, I really think this is going to impact a lot of their psyches because you're virtually telling half the people you're the underdog. That people are going to root for and the other half you are the holes that people don't like. See it is. It's tribe eho. Yeah. I mean, it's so interesting. The thing that I immediately drew comparisons to and I did it on the podcast with rob as well as champions versus contenders. And I feel like maybe in the beginning of that, you know there was a bit of managed. We are champions. We have to behave in a certain way. But again, spoiler alert forbid down the line of champion versus contenders that sort of went by the wayside a bit. So I have confidence that I think sort of like millennials versus gen-x, this might bear fruit out in the beginning, especially I think there's going to be sort of a gathering around for the David tribe of like, look, we are the underdogs by default, we have to be the ones to beat them. Like I think even the previews said something about like one tribe is to winning it all the other tribe, they're the underdogs. So I feel like that's like a nice thing to rally around, but I feel like the minute we get a swap. I think that once the game becomes much more individualized, I think those monikers I mean, quite literally, you're probably gonna go out the window because then it gets confused if you have David's on Goliath tribe, but I. That mentally speaking, people are going to become more so like it doesn't matter what I'm sort of representing or who I represent. I think I'm just gonna make the move that's going to better my gate. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I just can't imagine getting out there and being essentially told like, you know, and this is from the way Jeff Probst was talking about it, but goliaths are. Privilege. I don't know. I mean, I don't think I can't think of another way to really describe it. It's like, yeah, you've worked hard but like, you know, come on like you've gotten all of these benefits of life or something. I just can't imagine being out there being told that and then having that not impact how I play the game. I mean, maybe as like you said, Mike is the game goes on. It won't be a big deal, but at least initially my God, I mean, if I were somebody who has them like allies, try by probably pull an Allison and you know, maybe be somebody who was gonna flip to the David's on purpose because I don't want to be associated with the Goliath is will it could be like a horseshoe as well where it's really important in the beginning, not important in the middle, but then once the end comes around because I guess you could also ask the question, you know, on paper could a Goliath win survivor considering that, like if someone has been built out with this stigma, which Mike Wyche is purposely going to lean into like, hey, I come from this power position of power already. I don't necessarily need them. Money and the title. Do you think that a jury, depending on the makeup necessarily honor that just at the outset, looking on where they came from. Well, I mean, I think we so often talk and reality television about the underdog. And how often is it like root for the underdog? You know, we wanted underdog to win, and I feel like the David's are inherently underdogs. So like, how does that? How does that impact how people view them? And you know, yes, maybe you have sort of this reverse strategy where it's like, okay, well, all the gloves have to stick together because we're all privilege, you know, and like nobody can let a David get to the end, which I guess is par for the course. I think, you know, in terms of like other seasons, but which is just haven't hammered home like so much at the beginning I thought was really interesting. All right. Well, let's get into this next game here. So CBS two things a bit differently with their pre-game press. We did not get the traditional meet the cast videos. We got sort of Jeff Probst perceptions on each of the tribe. But what the survivor Twitter account did was they released every day like fifty second to a minute long clips, introducing the. Players, and we got a couple of other miscellaneous videos as well. Like, who is your survivor role model? How do you feel you would deal without food or sleep? So I pulled a couple of quotes from these videos and Paul Liana U2. are going to face off against each other to figure out who knows this cast the best. Here's how it's going to work one at a time. I'm going to read you a quote from one of these videos and you are going to guess the person who said that, well, now we're going to do this using twist rules. So if you just guess without any sort of hint you get two points, if you're correct, if you want to ask for a hint, I can provide you the tribe that they're on either a David or a Goliath, and if you get it right, you only get one point so you can take the bigger risk if you think you know the person or if you wanna play it safe and find out what tribe there on. You can do that at the sacrifice of one point. At the end of these sets of questions, whoever has the most. Points wins now have either one of you check out these Twitter videos before we get into it. Well, we don't ply because he doesn't have a phone. And in the dark, right literally. And in my lack of preparing the answer is no. Or I'm really nervous because the honor is really good at game. So. Like this is the Paul loses game. Yes. Let's see if that moniker holds a poll. Let's let's start with you here. So again, I'm going to read a quote off here from video for two points. You can guess the person without any sort of hint or for one point you can get a hint as to what tribe there on. Here's the quote, okay, when it sucks and it's raining, I wanna be the guy that everybody's like, oh, he's making it fun. He's embracing the suck. I'll take the tribe, please Goliath. Okay, who is going to embrace the suck? I'm going to say, ooh, who'd be embracing the sock. Maybe this is Mike saying he's going to be entertaining to them. I'll go with Mike. I'm sorry. The correct answer wedged. Dan at the Goliath in bloom is ready to a Louis. This suck in true full bloom fashion in my lap. That would be my out of my life. Fifth choice out of five. So no chance on that one hashtag embrace the suck. Itself, right? Liana. Let's go over to you. Hear what my try mates will think is the most endearing thing about me. We'll probably be the most annoying thing about me is that I do laugh at everything. Oh. I think I, you know what? I'll I'll take the hint, David, Goliath, tribe Goliath, I think it's Kara. That is correct. Your pick for the purple said that she is. It's a double edged sword that she laughs at literally everything. Everything that's going to be an interesting challenge. Let's see. I think it'd just be, I don't know. Maybe she won't get a purple edit. Then it'll be really hard to cut around her just consistently chuckling everything going on. They should put her in the audience for all of those shows that need laugh tracks like Boris is the permanent resident of like the big bang theory and young Sheldon or whatever other shows that have laughed. She might be out of a job with that first one pursued. That's right. The last season guys. Alright, so Liana is a head one point zero. Let's go back to Paul here. I think my smiles pretty contagious. I think people are already attracted to that. When you smile it, someone from the inner parts of your soul, they just can't hardly help, but smile back. God. Okay. What try David. Okay. David with an infectious smile. And needs to be someone self aware enough that says like, mice smile is awesome. So let's say Elizabeth, that is correct. Elizabeth Olsen, but the infectious smile. Okay. All right. What happened in the inner it? What happens if the inner parts of your soul? Very black does have the same infectious attitude. Then you get sent to prison in your mom reaches out the Bradley. You're my hero laughs. I bet you maybe carry is that prisoner like comments, lull on like every status, even when it's not appropriate? Exactly like ours shop, but she I'm literally Lulling. All right. We are tied up here. Let's go back to you. Liana being food and sleep deprived is going to really affect me, I think easily. So, I mean, I might be one of those players that face the first day. Ooh. Okay. I don't know. Can I have a hint Goliath. Okay. I might ain't the first day. I'm going to guess Jeremy Liana. You should have gone with literally every other introducer Perla to the interest in Italia. Of course, it was see should answer for everything so we might need to rich wreck, put go back and put her in for most likely to get medevac. She might pull up Boston Robin, pass out the first day. We're tied now, right? Yes, and I'm very happy are because I have a tiebreaking round set up here. Here's how it's going to work. As I mentioned before, there was a video that went up where the players went through their survivor role models. We're going to go rapid fire here back and forth. I'm gonna give you the name of the former player. You're gonna give me the name of the current player who said that this person was their role model. So for example, if I said Jay star, it, you would say, Alec make sense. Oh, known that one boy. All right. All right. Let's let's start with you. Liana Sandra. Oh. Cry and cry, incorrect, Jeremy poll. Hi. Be yourself be? That is correct. Loved the hashtag Liana Adam, Kline. Alec as incorrect, I would've accepted Kara or Nick. Paul poverty. Angelina incorrect. Mike white Liana Sirri fields. Natalie incorrect Christian. Paul entry belks. Andrew Belsky era, incorrect Alison. We on a Boston rob Talia incorrect, Natalie, Paul Cochran. Now what is even happening Cochran Christian incorrect John had again. So there was a fun round of Papa. You got one, right? So you win this game. I wanted to put that in there just because there are some pretty fun picks in there. Like Mike picking poverty? Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I think that's my favorite. I think Mike says my favorite, the fact that he picks today. His role model. It was like. He did it just to like troll like because everyone says they're like poverty. I was gonna say, I love that lake. Everyone says, oh, too many people say that they're like poverty, but I think Mike white might be the most unconventional person say that poverty is survivor role models specifically because he said she was a cunning little vixen. Hey, you know what? Maybe that's just what he aspires to be good for him. You go Mike white. Absolutely. We'll see if his flirtation strategy works here as well, but that'll hopefully let you get to know the cats have been more I think. So a couple more Twitter videos have to get released before the premiere, but congratulations to Paul for being able to eat out victory here. Thank you. Thank you and omen. Throwing the, it's no longer the Paul loses came. Yeah, Leon lose their game. That makes more sense. Well, Paul as the winner, what question did you have to prepare to bring to this discussion? Okay. The one thing I want to jump into talk a little bit about about what what are the format expectations we have for the season like just given our gonna. These tribes are going to go into three at some point or we still going to have a big merge a, how our other, we're gonna swap the tribes and a lot of this here speculation. But where do you think we are in survivor in terms of what is a given for for formats? I mean, I definitely think we're gonna get. I think we're gonna get to swaps pre marriage. I think we're probably going to get, and this is complete speculation. This is based in nothing except for my own musings. So I think we're going to get a swap. And then I think we're going to go to three tribes. Then we're going to go to merge. Then it's merge through the like basically, like a ghost island. Yeah, I think I am keynotes reasons he by us, right? I mean, I think that you have tendency to stick with trends. I mean, maybe a millennial gen-x not to think about how much impact that has a spoiler. But yes, I don't know. I think it was island I was looking millennials versus gen-x personally, because I think that like that's the last big versus where two tribes against each other and where the theme was so ingrained from the start. You could save what you want about triple h, but I feel like they sort of dropped really talking about that in the beginning, whereas I really do feel like it's going to be David versus Goliath. It's going to be at least at the tip of Jeff's tongue refu- episodes. So that's why I know when I taught. On rows pockets about how they're going to swap and episode like four or five people thought that was too soon. But I don't know. I know that there's twenty people, but I feel like they're going to want to hang out in these tribes for a bit. So I'm thinking a swap, maybe an episode of five, but I could see them going to the three tribes where one tribe just gets. I don't know, just gets one more person. They do sort of what they did with Eka Boola where it's like you get one more person, but you don't get any supplies. Probably just gonna win everything like they always do. Yeah, I think you're probably might right in that. Mike. I just hope I would like to go see them with algae and the three tribes just so it's not a given every season. I just think we need to keep the contestants on our toes have us beyond our chosen, not know if it's gonna go to three tribes or not, but I think that's definitely a fair assumption for the season that they're going to need. At least four episodes really build the tension between the two tribes tensions of the talked about to in your podcast with rob about how it's going to be fun to have Zantac Vic sides going at it. Why think that's it's interesting that you talked about keeping them on their toes because I mean, they had it really seen, go silent up to that point. So even if they followed the exact format that goes violent, did they wouldn't necessarily suspect it. The most recent one they saw was like game changers where they went from two to three back to two. So maybe they would suspect that instead of two to three. Yeah. I mean, I don't know in terms of keeping players on their toes. Like if if it's a swab sort of regardless of the format, like you never know what you're going to get. I think for me the biggest thing about having three tribes. It's just the fact that the numbers are so low and you know, you really don't have a place to hide, which I guess is maybe the exciting part of it, but I think you increase the likelihood that somebody gets swapped screwed. I really don't like that just in general. So I'd be okay with that. Not happening, but you know, I can definitely see the three tribe thing happening, sort of millennials, gen-x style at upside. Five will. One question I do have though is something bringing over from ghost island, do we think we're going to see the return of the like double tribal council in the mid merge where they put the players up into two tribes? Because if not, then they're probably going to have to do one of those other hurry up penultimate episodes where they eliminate two people in one episode riot seeming that we're going to merge thirteen like we usually do with twenty. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think I don't know because I Don. I was trying to think if there was any sort of indication of the format from pro so far. I don't think there has been right. Yeah, I know. I don't necessarily think so. What do you think Paul d think that they would take some of these? Not even that type of format in the pre merged, but like some of these other things that are going to shake things. Obviously, the fire making twist is going to stay. But anything else you feel like it's gonna get brought over from previous seasons into this one. I was thinking more about the premium how we're gonna get to that merge. And then I think if we go in with a big huge merge again that they're gonna have to recycle some of those things for this Astra season. So we'll see. I'm always been advocate of. I don't think we always into merge in that such a huge number is then that that long stretch of the the merge can just be a little bit too long in you don't get to know the characters or the strategy. Don't understand it quite as quite as much because they're told many people still in the game. So we'll be interested. I'm hopeful to see that maybe that they'll have a little more confidence in the pre-game the pre merge season and that maybe that'll go an extra week or two. So we'll have to see. Okay. Well, stepping away from some of the format discussions, I would like to move into one of my favorite segments because our preseason would not be complete if we did not check in with the Casuals over in casual corner. This is the next game. Yes. Ya'll doc. BBC he I b. I then like CC from a millennials, genetics power lines for all star season BBC. Yes. Well, and then we can find out what the casualties think of the BBC a. But for now we will stick with their opinions on survivor David versus Goliath. So what I've done is I've gone to the survivor Facebook page and I have pulled comments that have been written by people on the Facebook page. So I will go back and forth, and I will read four statements. Three of them were pulled from the survivor Facebook page. One of them was written by me, so it is up to you to pick out which one was written by me. Okay. Let's get started. So Mike, this first question is for you and it's just generally survivor casual thoughts about the season. A where is Kevin Hart. Jeff Probst is like of Benjamin button. See what about a shearing countdown or better still countdown to lamb. Roast. What. Or d does anyone know where the website is that shows uncensored nip slips for survivor. Oh, God. All right. No, I don't want to be real, but I know it's real. There's not only the fact that someone would see that content, but that would go onto the Facebook page of the show to solicit for that content. I have no idea what the shearing or the lamb roast would be response to because I think like was there some sort of, I don't know, like sheep reference being made in the in the post that they had them respond to. I can't give hints my all right. So then was nonsensical so it has to be real. So it's between heaven heart and Probst is like a Benjamin button. I feel like I feel like you wrote, whereas Kevin Hart. That is incorrect. Where's Kevin harvest actual comments? No. The one that I wrote with Jeff Probst is like Benjamin, I was so close so close. Yes. I don't know what the shearing countdown or better still countdown to Lambros was in reference to you. It was just a general comment about, like is everybody excited for the new season of survivor? This kind of a lamb roast that he wanted to publicize to all the survivor fans like, hey, guys, and I'm gonna lamb roast. If you wanna come down days, that's a new version of the watch party. We're going to have a lamb roast. Seniors invited. She's actually she's the main person. She's turning this spitting everything. Let us thinking shearing countdown. Is that like like shearing sheep is not a competition? I don't. I wasn't quite a shirt, but yes, it was nonsensical. So of course it's real. All right, Paul, this question is for you also general thoughts about survivor a win, Jeff, says survivors ready? Is that a question or a command. Are you ready? At the end was being on the KIRO talent. My granddaughter and I watch it and eat beef jerky. We love it or d. which one of them is the David. I think the Celtics in Rhode see personally. I, I don't think grandma's are watching this in eating beef jerky. You wrote that one that one is real. Apparently. Yeah, woman and her granddaughter watch it and and eat beef jerky. No, which one of them is the David. That was the comment that I wrote. I know I still I do. I do like the question though, in Jeff says survivors ready? Is that a question or a command? Think that's something to continue to ponder. Okay, mic this next question is for us. So there were some posts that were specific about different players. So these were comments on post about Dan whom one commenter said. Looks like fifties, younger brother. Another twenty. I you know, he's been utilizing festive fitness connecting with other Jim Brose and that was how he was able to lose the weight so much exactly for him. Okay. So, hey, I read that as quote closet nerd as in someone who really likes closets and he'd come, organize my closet. Sometime laugh. Cry face emoji, left Christ, face emoji laugh. Cry face. Okay, Carol, we get it. You're using several different accounts. Knowing what your NDA forbade you from doing trying to respond to these posts. Yes. Be what is the name of the new merge tribe? Please reply to me a s a p. The urgency, and that one considering that the season and not even the lamb roast has begun yet. ASAP, Mike. Okay. See, wind does this season air. I've been needing a big dose of Mr. deeds hormones. Nubian both or d one look at him and I think I heard came, oh. Who starts now. Well. Come, oh my God. That is. There's so many things that are running through my Ryan right now when it comes to hurricane category, five thoughts, but I'm quite filled. Subsisted downs, look at tropical storm. All right. Let's think here. I think I'm gonna hurricane sounds like something you would. Right. So I'm gonna keep it in contention right now. Mr. de such a weird way to refer to him. Like you might have written that as well. All right. Let's see a b. I think Israel, I think someone wants to know the merge, try for some strange reason. Maybe they're trying to print their own buffs and even that information as sap what was again, I read that as closet nerd as someone who really likes closets, he can come, organize my closet anytime. So decrepit smudge crap is much. Absolutely. I think that it reminds me of like SNL sketch, where will forte is the closet organizer where he was wearing like Immo cap soup, and they're throwing things at him that could be Dan. I feel like it's between c and d. God I want want her a came to be thing. I'm gonna say Mr. d is not the real one. Thou one was real. The one I wrote was one look at him. I think it was so close again. Wouldn't be proud of yourself on that one. The so proud. I thought it out late last night and I couldn't stop laughing at myself. It's so bad. Also fun fact be was real and somebody answered boom, boom, Magoo. So if the name of the new merge tribe. We owe that person. It's named after fortunately in Christian and Mike who got medevac because they walked into a tree for not being able to see boom, boom ago. Bouma goo part of the c- Angela play survivor game book. Okay, Paul, this next question is for you and these were comments all about Davey. So. I have him at the work pool. Go Davey be over. Cool. They got like a swimming pool, like why had? Okay. Gotta gotta gotta gotta go. Pool b, w t f is a blurred. See, I'm not from third world country, so I don't care about polio. Oh, okay. All right. Now that makes sense because then his video, he said that he wouldn't phase like initiatives he worked toward the Radicati polio. Yeah. Video. Well, or d-. D. h. ATM. Like. This is like it's kinda weird. That's okay. Because in my like the pool that I do with like that I've done forever within small sick. My mom in her like her colleagues at work in south by mom has has Davy in the work pool. So that's kind of weird. Your mom alterable, right? Yes. And then she also like her signature thing is if you're not impressed by something, she unknowingly just always goes. So we always say that. So that's kind of weird. There's some signs in the universe here and then the polio wanted think that definitely happens. Second. The second one is when you wrote it was actually I'm not from third world country, so I don't care about polio. I did write that someone else did. I will say. So I don't know if this is cheating, but they said, holy. That was all I got the idea. I actually did watch video that one. That was a good guess. All right. Next question is about Kara and this is for Mike a Dom. Got rob be what NFL team, what she had cheerleader on my guest, the Pittsburgh Steelers, dot, dot dot. I don't think it was my New England, Patriots. They have more class than that. See to one or d. r.. I love these like onomatopoeia as so. I feel like I feel like argh is a thing to blonde definitely sounds like the Casuals that sometimes like to pick apart through our contestants appearance also, she's not too blind. What does that mean? She's on a targe area and so it's between. Let's see, it's between what team. She cheerleader. Four, hopefully not my New England, Patriots or what was it again? Dom. Got robbed. Ooh, I want to say you wrote Dom got robbed. No, I wrote to blonde little terrified because I think I've learning Casuals now I think this is like the turing tests where like now you have become part of the casual high bind. This is why all my takes trash. Okay. So we are still pied zero, two, zero. All this question is for you and this is about our favorite Alec. Say now on the talent, you know, I don't even think or videos to. Yeah, shocker shocker. I shocked on the phone to know that. Yes. Okay. Hey, like ha- dude, like ha- dot dot, dot, dot dot, you're going to lose the the home. Got rubbed. See JAMA fork in my forehead. Please. More shag bag. Who do beg speller d. o. u. c. h. bag. Friends, they Deutsche bag. I think you. You did the damning the fork. No, I wrote God robbed. Shrink him. I know I was wondering if there was one person consistently dumb got robbed on every single post on Facebook, Mike, you're actually onto something because the answer to that is yes, there is one person as I was going through all these. I was like. Keeps posting Dom got robbed on every single post these same person, but this person had a little bit more variation in some of the posts. They had a little bit more create creativity on some people's posts, and they had very specific comments about Dom getting robbed. So these next two questions you our job is to actually the contestants Miller. Mike to the game that we played earlier, you have to guess the contestant who on whose post this was a comment in English. Yeah. I mean, this is going to be a basically a shot in the dark more so than it was previously for these other questions. So I'm excited for it. I think some of these are. All right. So let's just go ahead and play. Mike. This question is for you, the quote, the comment was attorney. Maybe he can help Dom sue forgetting Rob's. I mean, that has to be Jeremy. Okay. Well, I was gonna give you multiple choice, but yes, that is correct. It is Jeremy. The other options were Nick Angelina or Bradley. Okay, Paul, this question is for you quote, hopefully she's smart enough to not get robbed like Dom dead, a Natalia, be Allison CE Yabe or d. Natalie. From the Talia, right? It's gotta be heard. Oh, I wish this were the case, but no, it was. Yeah, didn't you say the numb Natalia wasn't posted yet? So we're video up. Oh, yeah. She's so some of the other comments include, maybe she can cook up a scheme to not get robbed like Dom. That was a dream come true for Dom until he got robbed. Anyway, so these continue on and on the same person. So yes, making sure that says Dom got robbed all by it team got robbed, boycott. They screwed on and screw the show. So this one person really thinks Don got robbed. We did someone said someone posted, make a t shirt that says, Tom dot, Robin, all wear it, and I'll buy it. Yup. Wow. Jonny. Fairplay. I hope you're listening right? Exactly. Capitalize on this one guy. The other comment that I did think was pretty funny was about John. I didn't have enough to pull a question on him, but somebody said he has a ladies top on period question Mark. So I thought that was fun, wasn't punctuation as he ever ladies stop on. Ready. I five is ready period question Mark. All right. Well, congratulations. Mike, you are the winner of Paphos core or with one point. I'm excited to see how the casualties changed their opinions on everyone. They seem to really love Dan and were lukewarm on literally everyone else. Yes, lukewarm I will not say anything about hurricanes based on that. And of course we'll see if they, if they still feel that Dom got robbed several weeks in. That's right. Yes. Well, that hurricane flooded my basement, boy, let's move on three of seasons that had inclement weather. I want to bring something up here is millennials versus gen-x the most influential season in recent memory. The reason why I ask that is because it feels like from multiple sides that might be the case, I know in talking to you and I one out, I hear a lot about how people were like inspired to apply because I'm versus genetics. You have someone like Angelina who's directly connected through Adam, Alec talked about, like, you know, he'd been watching the show for years. Then finally someone watching someone like Jay, you also have production pulling this sort of versus versus. At one tribe or just another theme because before that, I mean, I'm thinking about like tribes that were twenty people all new two tribes. The last time was what Nicaragua that that happened before we got the stretch of eighteen person season. So the fact that we kept going back to this between like ghost island and now this three seasons out of the last five or so. I feel like the show was really happy and the audience is really happy with Montiel's versus x. that it's not only encouraged people to apply for the show, but also encouraged the show to maybe you know, slide into that direction in terms of its theme in the way it runs things. What do you guys think about that? I mean, so people have been mentioned, millennials, gen-x, I think now for the past few seasons would see a pop up here and there. But yeah, like you said, my really just everyone seemed to be talking money genetics. Now, I don't know if this is a just sort of the survivors sort of sick like behavior where it's like, okay, millennials, Jennifer would gen-x was an all new players. Season. It was recent enough, but wasn't too recent. Right? So you know, these this cast can't really pull on heroes. Healers is or ghost island just because there's not enough time. You know the way that the seasons are film to sort of really take in those seasons in have the impact the application process in impact a lot of the people that end up coming to play the game. But I will say that it's doesn't seem to be coming from just the contestants. It's also from, you know, it seems like Jeff Probst the way the season is structured. So I have to believe that just because it was such a successful season that it does seem to be having some lasting impacts on pretty much every facet of the show at this point on this with the with the characters on that you Raba was back to that lineal tribe and this kind of how they were. I just think it's a season that production was happy with it. We're happy with with played out and you can just point to so many different characters on that season and just relate them to do. Characters that you wanna be like or archetype. So I think that I wouldn't be surprised if some for the next couple of seasons still that this is kind of the go-to season to talk about new players seasons. Yeah. And you know what, say, what you want to about millennials, verse connects obviously opinions vary in the survivor community, but I do feel like if you're looking for a relatively recent season that you know, has characters has a lot of flips being made in blindsides and then also does not have you know, big controversial endings like you might see with co wrong or triple h. I really do feel like that ineffective offensiveness sort of has turned towards millennia versus gen-x. Also, the fact that you know, that was the first season to have be in Fiji since the opponent survivor Fiji. And so that's sort of where they are from there on out. So sort of makes sense that you know, that was the show's flagship returned to Fiji and the way carried out there like, okay, now that things are based in Fiji. We're going to start running things a bit more like. Did back during millennials versus genetics because we have the same territory and we know what to do with it. Yeah, I actually think that's a good point. So it's trying to think of another season that could like it's not millennial genetics. What could it be? And Koran was I one of the popped into my mind, but yeah, because of sort of the controversial ending. You know, that one sort of not taints the rest of the season, but I think you know when people think of wrong daas what they think of and they kind of ignore the rest of the season, which was pretty amazing. I mean, I really really like, is this season. And so that's why it's sort of forgotten. And then other than that, you know, the other seasons are really stand out are like second chances, but that's a returning players season. And so it's sort of you differently. So we shall see how closely this Hughes to millennials versus jenex, but I just thought it was interesting comparison considering, like you said, Leon, it really did feel like that was like this season topic of conversation as people were talking with Josh, and that's going to bring us to our final segment of each and every week here on the BNB. The question of the week of this is your first time tuning into the BNB. First off, I hope you enjoyed the malarkey we put out, but basically what we do at the end of every week is that we put out a question of the week that you listeners can answer. You'll send us your answers a read them on the air next week. The question for this. This week is if you were playing survivor, what would you put as your claim to fame? The reason why I ask this is because these survivors have some rather interesting claims to fame and they range from the obviously big points in their life being a part of the fam- or raising a family, etc to you know, Davies entire diatribe about how you know he runs all these social media accounts of people recognize him by his handle Allison's biggest was winning a fifth grade spelling bee, so it'd be intrigued to hear from all of you what your claim to fame is all. Would you say that being a podcast Goliath is yours or chump stain. Being the head writer on the BNB. I mean, what else? What other answers are there. Yeah. What I like about this is sort of this whole probably only apply to like people in Argenta ration- only ninety kids. We'll get this. The claim to fame reminds me a bit of guys. I remember the show, figure it out on Nickelodeon. Yeah, yes, yes, I do remember I don't think airing. Airing, but I remember it totally, but I remember existing. So it's a show. I think it's like similar, the modern equivalent. Oh, I think the show is called what's my line? The old game show where you know you. This kid comes in who like has this this quoting. To the panel just fill in the blanks. I'm Billy the answer head. It's sort of feels like the claim to fame is that like, you know, oh, I jump rope with my sisters braids or my favorite is my dog. Eat cereal. Outta my belly button. Which, again, like that's not your talent, dude. But, okay, you won the huffy bike anyway. I feel like the claim to fame has slowly become that people are like, here's my talent that I can do this. You totally revived that show. My favorite part was when they had the conveyor belt and the clues would like real out on the conveyor belt, and then people would get slime for getting it wrong. See who needs Murphy Brown. We need a reboot of this show. I actually think they did do a reboot that did not work. But yeah, I do remember the secret slime action, which was like, if you did something, you got something it again. Maybe the unfair producers were like secret slime action is being shaky, Neil. And so as soon as like the round started, they just slime them. So we get, we can go into many more tangents figure it out related or otherwise in later weeks on the BNB's. So your question this week, if you played survivor, what would be your plame to fame and any sort of capacity? You have a bunch of ways you can reach out to us with that information. You can always leave a comment on this post on route has a website dot com. You can reach out to us on Twitter using the hash tag our age AP the NB the letter b. the letter n. letter be always respond to the post and the rob has a patron group. You can also respond to this question. If you have a longer response or if you want to send us game idea, you can always reach out to RHA p. e. n. b. at g mail. Dot com or always receptive to ideas for new games and segments. We'll be coming back week after week to talk through this season and the start off this coverage of David versus Goliath with the big ninety minute premiere. It's our one year anniversary Liana. It was only a year ago that we started the BNB. Our very first podcast I made the worst joke I've ever made, which is saying something considering my Cornelius and I thought it was only fitting that we bring in the subject of that first horrible, horrible pun into the BNB to welcome us to survivor thirty seven. So the one and only roar Gluskin from survivor heroes. Healers hustler is going to be joining us next week to play through all of these games and segments about the premiere episode of survivor DVD. I am beyond excited just as I am excited for the season. We are going to put things in Rourke, and we're going to roll all the way through a fun content from the season or mere. I really think. It's going to be a blast or you beyond the, I Wiley hashtag beyond excited. I would've die. There actually is a half with. Please, whoever you survivor God's, please provide me a b hashtag as the b. Oh, that's, you know what? What do we do? We think in the wand off, someone's going to submit let it be. Yeah, I was gonna say, giving people ideas. Yeah. So we only give people ideas for their preseason predictions likely on it. So that being said, actually a really nice set way, make sure you're checking on all the great survivor content that's going on on our p. as this season begins to ramp up between know it all the recap, the feedback show the wiggle room and why blank lost with David versus Goliath, Jessica Lewis, but thank you both for coming on and submitting yourself to trying to nail down quotes from these Twitter videos, diving into Casuals corner Liana. How can people follow you on social media as you are also beginning to finish up this season of big brother? Twenty? Yes. So I am on social media at Leon Boris. And like you said, Mike, we are finishing cover a coverage of big brothers. So I actually did my final Liana Saturday update as we're wrapping all of that up, but fee are not Mike, you and I will be back for our final episode of the j. p.. BBN be. B. i. b. I b I b I. B. b. i. b. i. b. I n. b.. As we close things out our our panel who yet to wrap up everything that went on in this crazy very long season. So I'm looking forward to that as well. All what about you. This is about it. You get from podcasting, you probably won't hear from me for a long time. So you may. You may not want to delete this podcast wanna keep it for a rainy day. Yeah, this might be you actually might be a podcast want tattooed Paul. I do know that a couple of weeks ago we got together with the survivor historians and talk for us right. Survivor Samoa. Yeah, that was kind of ridiculous. So yeah, you can find the survivor historian, south air, Endo. We've wrapped Samoa and probably be about five years before we finished, here's films, but I assume we're doing that at some time, so, but just don't get your hopes up way. A good thing has come to those who wait, I suppose, but that was it was really interesting, got into a lot of selling this, but I think we also got into a very, you know, pretty serious. Talk about, you know, the whole Russell kerfuffle that happens at the end, the community perceived it at cetera. You can always follow Paul. Apple also saying as well. You can follow me at a Mike bloom type. You can check out the exit press. I'm doing on parade. I'm finishing up doing some big brother press. I just posted exit, press with the fifth and fourth place, or I'll have exit press, but the three finalists as well. The day after the finale and survivor is going to be ramped up as well. So we'll also be talking on that Thursday to the first one out of survivor David versus Goliath, everything really excited talk with this cast overall. I. Really agree with you both. This is a really interesting group of people, and so I'm very excited for just sit down with them and talk with them as well, survivor players and people you can check out some of the other stuff I'm doing. I wrote a Hollywood reporter piece recently about the rise of adult animation. I'm coming out with some pieces in the next couple of days about Tribeca TV festival. There's always a lot going on, so be sure to check all that out. Thank you both so much for coming on Paul. I cannot wait to be subjected to your games over the course of the season Liana. I'm ready to take things to slam town and and see we're DVD is going to take us special. Thanks to Scott saint-pierre for editing everything behind the scenes. We'll from America for our theme song. 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Be an authentic masterpiece: Guest  Liana Chaouli

James Miller | Lifeology

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Be an authentic masterpiece: Guest Liana Chaouli

"Hi looking with James Miller life. We learn to simplify and transform your spirit mind and body the name is James Miller. I'm a licensed therapists and composer. Thank you so much for joining us today. Let's get started. Did you know that I'm James Miller. Lie Follow Dot Com. You can enroll in the academy. I created for listeners. Just like you I've credit courses. You may take at your own pace. which will help you simplify entrance? Form Your Spirit mind and body and role in one of the classes today. Show Feud Steve. I'm going to help you be your authentic masterpiece. Also be interviewing image therapist leanna Kelly who shares her wisdom and how to authentically. Present yourself your wardrobe which she picks your self esteem and how you want the world to see you Liana also has a special free gift for you today that you can receive at. BV OFFER DOT Com. So I have some exciting news. Did you know that I'm on the radio three times a week. You Mayhew on the same station on Tuesdays at one thirty PM. Friday's at nine thirty. AM and Saturdays. At twelve thirty pm you may also hear me on Iheartradio as wells on all the other major pod casting platforms such as I tunes Google play stitcher and many others simply searched for this show name James Miller life You all know me as a psychotherapist but some of you may not yet know me as a composer. I currently have two albums which have been released. Think both albums like books. Each original composition is like a chapter in a book. The first album constellation explores a characters grief and loss at just like in any book store explores a characters heartache and eventually he finds healing in hope. The second album restoration explores a character's personal development. He hasn't awakening can eat. And in that awakening he recognizes all the things which are healthy and it helps them come to place of restoration being restored as something greater than before. You may purchase both albums on I tunes or any other digital music store. The names of the albums are Constellation and restoration and my stage name is James S Miller. The name of the piece. You're currently hearing is from a second album restoration Russian entitled Awakening Peacocks were born to display their beauty to the world. So they do drafts rafts. Were born to reach the tallest leaves so they do. Eagles were born to soar high above the earth. So they do. Ants were born to work hard and contribute considerably to their team so they you do lions were born to roared loudly and dominate the Savannah. So they do canaries born to sing beautiful melodies. So they do bees or born to pollinate flowers and continue the circle of life so they do. Dogs are born to act as loyal and faithful companions so they do cheetahs reborn sprint at a frenetic pace so they do just like those animals you were born to be exactly who and what you are being your authentic masterpiece many times we can look around the world and my goodness I would love to look like this person or I would like to be a successful. Is this person or I would like to be this or that. And we often will try and emulate those the people and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having goals and dreams to aspire to be something greater than we are today but we want to be those people so badly that we look at our own lives use and all of a sudden we feel badly about ourself. Then we're doing ourselves a disservice. Each one of us has certain talents and gifts that were specifically designed for us when you think of this from a physiological standpoint the genetic code that was given to you by your parents and by your ancestors has allowed you to be the masterpiece that you are today often often we compare ourselves to other people and think. I wish my nose was in this way. I wished I had a different hair-color I wish I was taller. I wished I was skinnier. We always wish something was different now. Now of course there are ways in which we can change that through diet and exercise when we simply focus on what we don't have. They're not as really all we're going to see. But when you reframe that and you think about what you I do have and what you are grateful for your perception of self starts to change when you think of a painter or sculptor you can look at their work and think. Wow that's amazing. That's priceless but the reality is some of those paintings aren't the most attractive for example Picasso. You look at his abstract art that typically does does not seem like that would be a masterpiece but those masterpieces are worth millions of dollars Matisse Dolly all of those painters as amazing as they are many many people wouldn't consider them to be beautiful based off of the symmetry of the body or how they were presented in the painting but once again those are masterpieces. We decide what is a masterpiece piece not based off of the symmetry or other attributes. We base a masterpiece of perception of it. The same thing with you. What you perceive about about yourself is going to determine your worth your value? There's absolutely nothing wrong with you. You're different should be embraced what we say to ourselves and our minder or even behind closed doors really is a reflection of what we believe about. Ourself how you present to the world through your behavior interactions through the word choices you use really really determines your value in certain situations. We present really well but another situations we really struggled. We feel less than we don't feel adequate. It's important for you to recognize. How's your worth your value? And surely the masterpiece at you are. You are beautiful and amazing just the way you are as you continually grow and accept who you are. That's when when you can holistically grow and develop and have all areas of your life mature and grow and be the person you were destined to be but if you're constantly saying all the things that you think a wrong with you that's really as far as you're going to go you will not be able to develop and grow and be the amazing person that you were destined to be. The choice is yours so today be the an authentic masterpiece chain yourself. Perception and accept every part of who you are a quick example of courses. You'll find finding the academy entitled Spirit. Mind Body the perfect triad. This non religious course helps you understand how your intuition or rather gut your logic and your body all work together to help you overcome any obstacle you may face and role in the class today. Liana tally is the president and founder of image therapists. International Inc Globally recognized thought leader style expert in educator Liana creates transformation for clients the power wardrobe and for two decades. She has consulted the top CEOS celebrities and media personalities and political figures on matters of self image and style as a creator and developer of image. Therapy Liana works closely with their clients to up level and transform their personal and professional presence. She applies a balanced combination of focus personal analysis at physical appearance and educational training to address and improve attitudes at effector client self-esteem. I'm an overall sense of worth Lyonnais. bestselling author of you are masterpiece. How to dress more powerful and authentic you? Some of her clients include Bob. macky the Canfield training group IBM at Nordstrom Workshop. Coldwell Banker University Chico's Canyon Ranch and many more welcome to my show. Thank you James. I'm so delighted to this. is going to be amazing amazing interview I was. I'm so excited to have you share your information with my listeners. I was blown away when I was reading. Different things about you and how you help so many people. This is GonNa be a fantastic interview. Thank you my dear biggest question I have. I'm sure people are thinking what is an image therapist. Yeah that's a beautiful. Oh question and and people ask me that all the time you know they go. What do you do for a living or I'm out somewhere? And they go. Oh you an image therapist or when I speak you know and it's on the agenda and then there's there's like two thousand people in the room therapy. What is that so image? Therapy is the process of the design of who you are understanding the PhD in design of who you are so that you can dress your masterpiece. Authentic to who you are and respectful to every we single situation that you go into which I think is so powerful in many ways because when you think of every situation you're you are involved in everything you do you. There's usually who's huge discrepancy without for example. If you're at the just finish up at the gym and you have to go into a meeting or just doing something else. You're not probably I'll be representing yourself in the new environment that you probably could taking just a few minutes to present yourself and maybe pull yourself together a little bit. Yeah and pull yourself together you know for you yourself together like the guy in the fashion magazine or like your mom or your sister like somebody else. I always say you know what I would love for you to be you. And here's why because everywhere you go there you are. That's the first reason the second reason is I want you to be. Oh you because everyone else has taken. So you're if you're out there in the world and you're trying to be like somebody else first of all the exhaustion that that continues to be in your life. It's exhausting to be something for you. Even think about social media and social media everybody they present themselves salves in the best light. But when you look away from that you know your life is going to be different. So if you're trying to emulate someone else in their style and everything about them you're right. That is absolutely exhausting. And there's no way that you're going to be because you are you. Yeah so I created image therapy many many years ago because I started to see that people were having difficulty. There were like really powerful in certain domains of their life and they did their work and they raise raise their children and there were a wonderful wives but when it came to dressing their masterpiece which I believe every human being. Yeah just the way you are. They would twist themselves into some Pretzel and they WANNA be hold fashion and they would want to be a slave to fashion. And I'm like honey. Listen if your body and your body architecture and who you are and your personality and the essence of who you are and you're being ness does not allow you you to wear a mini skirt. Then stop trying to wear one. You're right it's exhausting exhausting. Because I'm sure you'd feel really badly Ali about yourself as well if you don't look like models and the magazines and you're trying to emulate something which was designed for you right and the and the world out. There does not make it easy for us to be ourselves. What is the difference between style and fashion? Which is what brings this brings me to vile is an expression of the authentic self so if you are a gypsy or if you are you're archetype is like a whimsical physical kind of a crazy person? Like Betsy Johnson the designer betsey Johnson. She's never gonNA adhere to any fashion. She has carved out a initiative in niche for herself. And so can we if I stay true and authentic to who we are if like the essence of the sound of your voice which there's a big part of who you are you guys are like watching this or listening to this. Maybe you've seen a picture and then suddenly I'll definitely Selena almost different. You know we don't realize that style style which is S. T. Y. L. E. IN MY world. You know when I have my event. Live your life in style. Style stands for seek to transform your life every day and your closet is a toolbox toolbox with which you can up level yourself every single day. It's your second skin it's your imprint onto the world and the relationship you have with your body and your clothing and those two are like that's like the imprint that we leave that's piece. That's a big big piece of style. Fashion is an imprint. That someone else has had onto the fashion world onto the design world. And then you. You're just taking a piece of theirs and putting it on you thinking if that's beautiful and you wear it then you're going to be beautiful but there is no rhyme or reason that that piece is going to make you look absolutely gorgeous. It can make you look like hell. It's true it's absolutely true that miniskirt that someone may try and we're man research crazy print. James I have. I cannot tell you how many times I walked down the street and I basically have a heart attack and I want to go up to people and I WANNA go. Please please. Don't don't do that please. Don't you're hurting. It's like my sense of beauty and balanced is being raped and invaded us. This this outfit if it is walking and a half an hour before you are and it's leaving the room an hour after you and fully drunk say that so that the understanding of image therapy and the process of image therapy the application of it is a PhD up leveling you You know it's a connection of understanding who you are. What is your body look like? What's your coloring? Look like where do you find the key elements that you can take out of who you are Dr and replicate them in the clothing so for example many many years ago when I was doing this. You're you're asking me how did you become. I'm an image therapist or what's therapist you know. I started this road because I saw that women were not capable of looking at themselves. Thirty years ago go thirty five years ago it was just women and when people would say to me well. How long have you been in image therapist? I would say you know what my whole life that would just roll out of me. And then I realized I was speaking at an image consultants convention in Washington. DC and at that time my relationship with my mother still was still very very very difficult as a first born of three and you know defiant child forty it was still. It was still difficult and she came to an event where I was the keynote speaker and then she ended up in. One of my breakout sessions and I was unaware that she was in the room readiness and and she went at the three at the end of the three hour session. She no she went to the back of the Mike and I didn't know that it was my mother and she starts speaking the hard and I was like. Oh my God. What is she going to say and she started to say you know? I don't have a question and but I have a comment. I'd like to share with you that when I was a young woman I was very very ill and I was in bed a lot and my three and a half year old daughter would go into my closet and she would pull on the close until the hanger broke and she'd get the purse and the scarf and the glasses and the hat and the shoes and she would lay everything out on top of the bed that I was laying in my head covered in blankets and she would come up to the head of the bed and she would pull the blanket. So and she'd whisper whisper in my ear. Mommy Mommy I got everything out for you. Please get dressed because if you get dressed then you going to feel so good and so oh beautiful and then you and I we can go out and we can have fun together. Please get up mommy. That's beautiful and she said He. I said I couldn't get up. I could not follow my daughter's invitation. I was so ill but all of us standing in this room listening to her train. Do you can follow her invitation. Because the same little girl that dressed me. It's the same woman that just taught you everything she knows. And I know how fabulous and amazing That says was her first client. Wow Mom is the the reason for why this is all grown. Wow that is amazing. And I'm sure the but a beautiful gift she gave you as well obviously didn't know she's going to be there. And then what a Beautiful Jack. I can't even describe it all sobbing the front of the room. We were all trying and you know what I realized in that moment. Is that this the passion that I have for up leveling people you know so this this show the swan or these. These makeover shows on television. They call call me and they say please come in and do this work with us and I said there is no way that I'm going to take a human being and crush them to minus four hundred in order for the show to lift them up. I picked up. Were there act because people already have such a difficult time with their bodies and with their persona and with wanting to hide you know we use clothing tied James. We don't use it as a platter upon which which we are presented and I was GonNa ask you how is how is self esteem linked with what people wear all. It's like what I just said you. You know. We use clothing to hide. We have to get dressed. Ninety percent of the world does not feel good about their bodies. I can tell you for sure whether your size to or size twenty two. I had a major beautiful amazing actress in my Studio James and I put address on her. She was standing six feet away from the big murdered wall. And I said Sweetheart I'm just GONNA go out. Get you a glass of water. I'll be right back. Sized to tall gorgeous. Flawless skin flawless body flawless. Everything I come back. She's wearing the dress and she's standing in front of the mirror and she's crying and I said why are you crying. She says Liana. I cannot believe that the reflection in that mirror that beautiful reflection in that mirror is truly me standing here that I cannot be that beautiful. Oh my gosh wow and James. That's what's happened what happens. It's like when I say as an image therapist. I get to undress your spirit so we can dress your body the armor that we have carved around our hearts and I say carved because it's taken years to build him is not it's it's like superfluous. It doesn't help help us grow our self esteem because we think there's something we always have to hide. We weren't raised with mothers and fathers and grandparents and uncles and aunts. Who held oldest in the palm of their heart and said Oh my God hugh my sweet are the most beautiful creation on God's earth we they were frowned upon? You know we. We weren't allowed to be who we are. We weren't allowed to be self expressed. We would sing and whistle and dance as children do and and that Nope we quiet. No don't do this. No you can't do that. No you can't put the underwear on top of your head and go to school. Let's turn out one gays. James one negative demeaning degrading gays from a mother or father. It doesn't even have to be a word. One Gaze is enough for child to make a contract and say I will never ever do that again. And there's the lock on the armor and then we grow up defending the armor. We don't even defend who we are. We just defend the armor a belief system sure yeah and clothing is representative and I always say you know what it's a closet not a museum but people use their closed like. Oh my God no I have to hold onto that and I have to hold on to this and this was this happened in nineteen eighty two and that was such an amazing moments omen so they have to hold onto the clothing which represents the armor I like that. It's for their closet every morning and they go they go back to one thousand nine hundred five rather than being in this moment because this moment with the acceptance of what we have in this moment for who we are. That's the only place where we can shift and move forward. James Yes because we were nineteen eighty-four is who we are today that it may have you found peace of who we are today but as we are today we've grown developed in such a beautiful wonderful person many times you don't realize right so well you know I have clients who have gone into their closets many many times today. It's only the VIP's that I do that for people come to a major event end or when they're part of our year long mentorship program but she was in. I was in her closet and I said you know what we need to go into the closet that you won't show me. No we did and I looked at the closet and I said well. What did you do between nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty seven? She says how can you. How can you nail those years Liana because you have a trophy closet here and I can tell by the by the way these things were made when they were made and she says I can't tell you what I did I said? Well why don't you let me tell you what you did. Oh inches as you can tell said yes. You were an escort. She said how do you know that. I said these are the trophies that you got from the gentleman you went out with. Oh my gosh really good you cannot let them go because that was such a big part of your life but if you WanNa get married and you want to have a family and you WanNa let that part go and now you're a real estate agent. You WanNa let these pieces go as your needs let this go you. You need to let these pieces go exactly and she was just sobbing and crying. You know when people listen to this work James they don't realize how embodied it But it is clothing dressing is an embodied action when we slip a cashmere sweater over our body and it feels like being touched by your lover. Don't don't they don't realize that that's a connection now. The sensor component yes yes and so this work goes into every domain of of your life into memory into the ontological of language. And what are you saying to yourself my ass is too big. boobs are sagging all the stuff. Stop the people tell themselves. I don't say that I was ready to ask you though the people with whom you work are all different ages all different sizes and you'll you'll find out obviously growing older for some people. It's it's difficult. I mean that's just the reality of thanks. How do you help you grow gracefully and grow with with self esteem and grow with confidence? Yeah well that's a beautiful question James and that takes embodiment So I have. I have an exercise that I do with my year long program. It's called Liana triple eight plan so the three as I'm GonNa just go with it because for time sake it's the I stands for awareness. The second ace stands for acceptance and the third day stands for action. But we don't live life like that so we don't want stuff happens you know shift hits the fan and we react. We don't take a mindful full awareness moment and go. Wow look at that. That glass of red wine just ended up on my white suit. And I'm on a date and here I am. I look like a white and red spotty leopard and I am not making the best impression on this first date Sir instead of just taking breath and laughing and going you know what I guess. This is what needed to happen. Happened because it's happening. Meaning you have an awareness and then you implement immediately the acceptance of it because the acceptance of whatever is going going on takes away the grading on your nervous system. Yes which takes energy from what you could for example this day you can have a wonderful time but all of a sudden with that Wine all of a sudden. It's all you focus on. And the connections you could have had or would have had has now broken based off of something. That really doesn't matter her right and then usually what happens. Is that these reactions are the past coming into this moment. Undistinguished undistinguished an unacknowledged such. And what we're reacting to is not the wine but we're reacting to a memory from the past that that was ignited in this moment and when you become aware meaning so image. Therapy is basically basically an awareness process with knowledge and with up leveling of your language and with noticing in your body and clothing is just the keitel coming from a psychological standpoint as well. You the sense of mindfulness using a sense of form of mindfulness which is essentially being present conscious. Aware of of what your body's doing what your thoughts are the proximity of where you are in the room where people around you. That mindful awareness incorporates the five senses what image therapy therapy is does that same component but it enters in through the sense of touch which then allows you to be more mindful and present of what challenging shows. Yes exactly yes so. We're coming in from two directions from a psychological standpoint from internal external. Here's comes from the physical sense of touch then goes internal so you and our come at it from the same from different directions but the same rowing yes yes and so the consciousness piece for me. Consciousness is is an embodied awareness is practice practice in the body. Most people live ten feet away from their body. They don't live in their bodies and that constant awareness. Yes that's internal scan the more mindful you are the more it happens all the time. It's almost like you think a computer computers always run in the background. Same type of internal scan my full awareness consciousness that happens which gives us the insight in tools the intuition the awareness of what to say to someone else or perhaps what's going on in that person's life. How are we going to respond? How could he be reflective of your own beauty with inside of you shoe express that externally to the people around you and you know I want to tell you a story James? As I many many years ago I had a client who was Very overweight and wanted to wanted to lose the weight which I say don't lose weight. Give it away. That's good. Yeah because whatever. If you've lose your keys you WanNa find them so you lose weight. You're gonNA find it again. I promise you. That's the way the way. The brain his wired so she comes to me and she says well Liana. Should I wait till I lose the weight and said no no. Let's get started this process and she was a gorgeous. He's six foot African American beauty or just gorgeous woman with long curly hair. And she happened to be an usher at Michael Beckwith church awhile and she had been uttering for about three years and one of the Times that we had a VIP session and we got her new clothes and she was like all excited Juliana. What should I wear to church tonight? I said okay. Let's put this outfit together. She goes to church. She calls me at eleven o'clock at night and she's crying Mike why she's like. I got asked out on her de to cry up. Why are you crying about that? And then she says to me she says Leon I'm ushering. I've been offering with the same gentleman across the aisle for the last three years every Wednesday and every Sunday today this gentleman came up to me and asked me on a date and I say well why. Why is that so cry? Why is that why? Why do you need to cry about that? She says is because he came up to me and he said Hi. My name is James. What's your name a you knew here? Oh she says the three years we've been standing across from one another twice a week and he's never seen me so the reason why I'm sharing the story with you is a six foot Abudazi. African American long hair gorgeous curly. Big Smile White Teeth. She was able to hide. You can hide insight you know and so we use clothing died US black to hide. We used clothing. That's too big to hide I to be used clothing. That's too small to hide so I'm going to share with you what my PhD. An image therapy is based on. If you you walk into a space no matter where supermarket hairdresser your family on a big stage with five thousand people on television in your office if you walk into any space in your life and you will be unforgettable. No one that you encounter will ever ever forget you. Can you imagine what your life would you be much more conscious of how you present. Yes but also you can. You can know for sure that no one will forget you which means that I and spirit the universe. God whatever you WanNa Call it source divinity entity will always ask you show up at your highest self and I say that not living in all our beauty and all our talents and all our magnificence. This is like spitting into the face of God and we do because if we show up fully and in most amazingly we have a lot of work to do James Yes we have to really watch our words. We have to really watch our actions. We have to watch our our anger. We have have to watch our our distinctions. How we speak to people which comes from a sense of mindfulness and consciousness? Yes that's beautiful I. I'm so glad that you're on my show today. It's been A. It's been a wonderful time with you. I wish we had so much time to talk about this. And maybe we'll have you back on my show again soon if my listeners like to find out more information about you I know you have a couple of events that you do throughout the year. I know you have a great seminar. 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The Dance | 12

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The Dance | 12

"The new relationships are enough to make your head head spin. There are a lot of questions. You don't have the answer to like. Why am I with this person. Do I really like them. If I don't I don't know how I feel. Why do I keep going back to them. On the morning of October fourth two thousand and two Liana Strelikov was cycling through that she'd been dating her boyfriend Dean for just six weeks but if the sex they'd had was any indication of what the future held. Maybe things wouldn't be all that bad The morning of October four was actually really lovely. I had spent the night at his house and we made love that morning morning and all I can say is that I had what felt like the best orgasm of my life and I was shocked shocked by that and I was also terrified by that. I had a lot of ambivalence about dean He wasn't what I eight thought I wanted. I was really drawn to him not understanding why so I didn't know how to handle that and I just wanted to get out of the bed but dean was content to spend the day exactly where he was. I wanted to snuggle. I wanted to stay in that moment and be in that that moment for perhaps forever but I absolutely couldn't stand it an end so I pushed us to get up and follow our plans and go for this hike. Dean and Liana had planned to go hiking that day up in Malibu Liana was a dancer answer and movement always made her feel better. It was pure joy. It was my church. It was my therapy. It was community. It was the purest manifestation of who I am. As a human life more like the steps were performing her like the the emotion and the feeling and the choreography she was the conduit for it all but it was just so amazing to watch her dean have been watching Liana dance for a while they they were part of a theater ensemble and as soon as he saw for the first time he liked her. I was smitten as they might say and that never really wavered wavered from day one. It was hindered by the fact that she didn't like me like actively didn't like me. There was some about his swagger. He had this kind of Strut and that was it. That was all I needed. It didn't matter at the time they were just colleagues but over the next year. Leon has life changed. Drastically her grandmother mother died and she got really sick and had to take a few weeks off from performing the day she got back she was sitting in a corner feeling pretty shitty and dean in walked in to rehearsal and without saying anything to me he walked over to me kiss me on the top of the head and walked away and I thought Oh maybe there is somebody who's worth knowing and that opens just a little tiny bit of space for him enough space that when Dean finally asked her out she said Okay and kind of started tentatively dating and then becoming a little more open about yes. We're dating were together but threw out that time. I can't really figure out what I'm doing here. I didn't understand why I was attracted to him. I didn't understand why I our relationship was so passionate. It didn't make sense to me that I enjoyed being with him and I needed it to make sense to me. Uh Six weeks later as Liana was laying in bed next to dean she still wasn't sure so. After the best sex of her life she foreseen out of bed to go hiking. We'll leave Dean's house and we're driving up the coast to Malibu and I am going insane inside my head. I'm so freaked out about what's just happened in bed and I'm I'm desperate to understand what that means about our our future as they started to hike into the woods. Liana ignored the flowers. The fields gorgeous views overlooking the ocean shen. She was still stuck in her head. Asking the same question over and over is dean the one and the more she walked the more torn she belt and that's when she saw the answer in the corner of this grow. There's this magnificent tree and I think that's it. I will feel so much better. If I climb that tree it's perfect tree. It has all all the branches where I need them to be and within seconds. I'm I don't know thirty feet up and I remember at the time thinking wow that's that's pretty high but I wanted to still be with so I climbed the tree myself and got up there with her and then I saw this perch was about five feet below me and it looked so much better than the perch I was currently sitting in and I thought that's where I'm going to feel better and I didn't feel any better in nat perch. Surprise surprise and dean started telling this really long joke which I remember nothing about except that it was going on forever and while I was waiting for a punch line I heard a loud crack. I knew exactly what was happening. I knew a branch should broken again and I knew I was going down as she was reaching out. I remember like looking at her eye to eye and having the realization allegation that this was happening. There was nothing to be done about it. There wasn't anything that I could do. There wasn't anything she could do. She was going down to the ground and everything kind of went into slow motion at that point and I just watched her fall. It's a weird feeling of knowing something really awful is in progress and there's nothing you can do about it it. I don't know about you but when I buy something Nice for my -partment I forced myself to be extra careful careful around it and sometimes it's fine but look. I don't always WanNa feel like I'm walking on eggshells in my own home. I've been known to ruin rug or two in my time. Thanks thanks pepper. That's my talk so rubble has been an absolute blessing. Not only are there rugs super affordable and trae chic. 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Some small like the moment is meet new feel a spark or when you ask someone out for the first time and they say yes as a relationship unfolds. It's beautiful floating moments where it feels like rainbows and angels come out just for you. Maybe it was the moment you got engaged or the moment you said I I do and then they're the moments that feel like they've been thrust on you out of nowhere defining moments that will determine who you are going to be and who you will. We'll be together the thing that's so crazy. Is We have no way of knowing which of these moments is the moment there no neon signs flashing fork the road here. It's only when you look back. You can say oh. That's the moment when it all changed. The only clue is there's a choice control or surrender. Stay or go red pill or Blue Pill for for Liana and dean that moment began when Liana climbed up a tree by like all the moments that make up a relationship. It was the choices that came after that would define everything. This is episode twelve the dance. I knew you exactly what was happening. I knew a branch had broken and I knew I was going down. I just remember realizing that there's nothing I can grab. There's nothing I can do to prevent myself from falling. I realized in that moment that I have a choice piece. I can try to fight for control of what's happening or I can let go and surrendered to this moment and just let it be. I chose to let go and instantly everything dropped into slow motion and this incredible piece came over me mm-hmm and I became acutely aware of everything around me of everything that I was experiencing I had time to notice how blissful I felt. I had time to notice the bark on the branches riches that I was passing. I had time to notice but I was in slow motion and that film and Television got it right. That's exactly what happens happens. In moments like this I had time to notice that I was noticing all of these things and it was the most incredible glorious peaceful feeling and I realized that that's the nature of being totally completely one hundred percent present and then the ground shot up and hit me at least that's what it felt like it. It was a total shock when we made contact and it felt like the planet had jumped its orbit in order to meet me in mid air and I remember how definite it felt I watched her hit the ground and fold in half and and about halfway down her back and then kind of spring back up and turn a little bit and lay on the ground and and the only word going through my head as I was climbing down the tree was no no no no no no no this it couldn't be happening. It was excruciating to breathe. I had this strange sensation that I was suddenly wearing a very thin in overly tight belt around my waist. I looked around for blood. I didn't see any blood. There weren't any bones in our our limbs and awkward positions. She seemed for all the world she seemed fine and I just said where my legs and I kind of rubbed her leg and said you mean the right here. It seemed like such an absurd question so I reached down where I saw his hand had gone and I felt this incredibly soft texture like silk and I looked at him and I said what is that and I watched the color out of his face and he said it's your leg dean realized Liana wasn't going to get up and dust herself off. They needed help. He had no cell service in the Oak Grove. So he ran to the edge of the trail to call nine one one within minutes they could hear the sirens ends of the ambulance echoing in the canyons at some point. I realized that they weren't GonNa know where she was in the park unless I left and told them and that meant leaving her alone there which was not wanted to Leon finally convinced deemed to go so he took off running as fast as he could be on awaited. I was laying on the ground staring up into the branches and the leaves leaves above my head and it occurs to me that maybe I should be afraid and as I have that thought I feel fear start art to well up inside my body and it feels so bad and I think I'm so not doing that like why go there and so I just instantly settle back into this really present and peaceful place so she waits present tents surrounded the trees she loved so much listening to the distant sirens knowing they were coming for her and then I heard a voice inside my head. The voice said everything you need to know is happening right now. And of course I immediately started scanning what is happening right now and and I thought well surrender is happening right now presence and faiths and the voice said that's the way home and the voice said remember and then I heard the paramedics and dean starting to call for me. They put her on a spinal no board and loaded her into a helicopter. It was the first time Liana began to feel the pain from her injuries helicopter bumpy which I didn't know before that moment and and so I was being jostled around and I couldn't see dean during the ride I really could just see the tech who was sitting right right next to me and I remember that that's the first time that I really started to feel afraid I remember looking at the EMT and having this kind of mind discussion discussion with him with my fingers doing kind of a walking motion trying to find out if she would walk again and the emt immediately without any hesitation just kinda shaking his head like no the helicopter took them to Ucla and doctors rushed Leon off for x-rays cat scans an MRI and at the end of the Marai. They told me we were going to surgery. They said that I had broken my back. They prepped Liana for surgery and introduced reduced to our new doctors including Dr Mariah's who'd be operating on her spine and I said doctor. I'm a dancer somehow somehow. It was incredibly important to me that someone on the front line knew exactly what was at stake that this wasn't just a matter matter of. I want to walk again or I don't WanNa be paralyzed. This was a matter of my essence and I needed someone Londono that Dean's time at the hospital was a blur by then the honest family and friends showed up Dean had never met any of Their relationship was to remember at one point. I was sitting kind of by myself and I was cold because I was still wearing shorts and a tee shirt in the hike and I felt somebody put a blanket around me and I looked up and it was her mom and it was such a loving gesture and such a supportive gesture and it made me feel like okay. I am a part of them too and then the doctor came out and said that it she wanted to see me and so I did and I I remember seeing her in the hall for the first time and not really knowing what was going to happen except except that I wanted to still be there for all of it the doctor told them Liana shattered her eleventh vertebra and she'd broken a rib which punctured and in collapsed her lungs her spinal cord was also pinched cutting off circulation so I was instantly and completely paralyzed from the waist this down but the doctors weren't sure how much sensation she'd lost only Liana can tell them that. Thomas Moura's explained that sexual sensation was controlled at the lowest levels of the spine and he said that it gave the doctors important information as to the extent of the damage to my spinal cord and he asked me to touch myself off and let him know if I could feel anything and I already knew that I wasn't going to be able to feel anything I already knew that I had no sensation out all below my waist but I reached under the covers anyway and I just shook my head at him and I remember member. Thomas Ross stood silent long enough to honor the horror of my loss but not long enough for you may drown in it and I remember how grateful I was for that over the next few days. Dean never left her side. I sort of took it as my responsibility to be her advocate and if she said she needed sleep that okay I'm. This is her sleeping time. I'm in anybody who comes by. I stood outside the door or sat on the ground outside the door and I said look she's sleeping right now. Thanks for coming. You know we appreciate please come back and they wouldn't leave the hospital. He was also incredibly attentive to everything that the nurses did. He would watch how they emptied my catheter. He would watch how they got the IVY machine to stop beeping alarm would go off he needed information and so he watched everything that they did. What I knew is that I didn't WANNA go anywhere. I didn't WanNa be anywhere else right then. I wanted to be there and I wanted to stay there eleven days after Leon US fall. The doctor told her she was well enough to go to an acute Rehab Center two thousand thousand miles away in Colorado Dean hadn't left her side during the eleven days at the hospital but now he had to say goodbye there was only room for one person besides the medical staff to go with her and I had really wanted it to be me but the decision was made that her she was going to have her sister with her. She was loaded into the plane and they left and I got my car and made the forty five minute drive back to my apartment that look exactly the same as it did when we left that morning before because no one had been in there I remember walking to my room and seeing close at the foot of my bed and her backpack and suddenly it's like back to reality a reality that no longer existed the moment that tree branch cracked their lives have changed. Liana was facing a long painful road to recovery Coventry with no idea what was on the other side and dean was just waiting hi guys. You've heard me talking about bras on here. I have them when I wear brides third love and I love it. I took the fit finder quiz and they got me my perfect size which I'm not gonNa tell you because you don't need to know that Google find for yourself over. Fourteen million women have taken the quiz to date. Did you know breath shape matters. There's when finding a good fit bra I certainly didn't but now I know. 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I don't have control of my bowel. All these things have to be mechanically managed. I needed to be able to dress myself to get in and announced a wheelchair to learn all kinds of wheelchair skills so that I could navigate the world. I had to learn how to take a shower. How you know put my hair in a ponytail tale without losing my balance. It's so deep even as she struggled to maneuver her wheelchair. She held onto hope that she would walk again. No one at Craig tells me you will never walk again in fact no doctor that I've ever dealt with gives me the famous line at Craig. They say you have a very serious this injury. They're willing to let me believe that I have the possibility of recovery because the fact is we don't really know spinal. Cord injuries are so different one from the next and the outcomes are different now recovery true recovery for complete injury like mine it doesn't happen. It hasn't happened. There's snow recorded case of it in history as Liana recovered. She didn't want any visitors but she talked to Dean on. The phone talked almost every day. and I really wanted to see her. When Dean asked if he could visit she refused. I still didn't know that this was the person I wanted to be with. I still had ambivalence about us. We were only two months into this relationship and having him come come with me to a different state and be there while I went through this grueling inpatient rehabilitation. It was too intimate. It was too close. I didn't feel ready for that for the next two months. They talked on the phone almost every day and finally the week before four. Liana was allowed to go home. She said Dean could come but she still had mixed feelings. It was like she was back in the morning of the fall was dean someone when she wanted a future with would he once he saw what that looked like so. I tell them I don't WanNa see him until ten o'clock the following morning after he arrives then he's not happy about this but he agrees my feeling is that I just need to be in control of that moment. I don't want him walking into my room. While I'm you know a mess or or struggling to sit up for throwing up over the side of the bed because I my blood pressure has suddenly dropped or I just can't I can't have it be like that and so I got to the hospital like nine thirty and I sat down in front of her door. You're and I looked at my watch. Just waited until ten o'clock and as soon as that minute hand reached ten o'clock. I got up and I walked through the door. I saw her laying in the bed and she was as beautiful as ever and I take one look at him and I burst into tears and in that moment I feel like I don't ever want to be away from this person once he's actually with me. I'm so it desperate to be near him and any of the fears and doubts all the stuff that may have happened over the last two months all of that went away because even rooted other again that very first night dean and I make love for the first time post injury and there's no discussion about this. There's no should we shouldn't we know you know how do we do this. There's just this desperate need to be close to each other remember being in bed with her and just feeling so so comfortable so serene that that was where I want to be with her was now home. The daily on a left Craig Hospital Hospital was also her thirty fourth birthday at the airport. She and dean boarded the plane before the other passengers to get Leon settled and the pilot came out to talk talk to them. We're chatting with the pilot and you know sharing with him that I just been released from the hospital and the pilot asked me what happened and I said that I broke my back and he said that he had broken his back wants to and you know he's the standing up in front of me about to fly our plane and he says yeah it was really stupid. I fell off a ladder. I broke it at t eleven and I look at him and I say uh that's exactly where I broke my back and for moment were just staring at each other because each of us is looking into the face of what might have been and and then he tells me that he has to go fly the plane and he leaves as the plane descended into Los Angeles. The pilot made an in announcement over the loudspeaker. He tells the entire plane that I'm on the plane that I've just been released from the hospital and that today's my birthday and he invites everyone on the plane. Every single passenger goes by and every one of them wishes me happy birthday. That's a really remarkable feeling to have hundred hundred fifty strangers walk by you and wish you well. They just wish you well that. Just I want the best for you and that's really powerful thing to have happened that level of support from people. You don't know who don't know you. It's really amazing really just credible and that's how we started my post hospital life with her mother who coincidentally live just a mile away from dean. It was a transition into a new chapter in our lives and I didn't at the time no whether that chapter was going to have us be together or thus be apart over the next few months. They kept dating but not just each other. We are now a relationship of three and that third party is paralysis and it's always with us. It goes everywhere we go. It does everything we do. It is full of demands. It won't allow certain things to happen. In a particular way changes what kinds of activities we can do. It changes how we do the activities eighties that we do. It's really like having a third person except it's a third person you would never choose to have in your relationship because it gives nothing to you but we don't have a choice as they settled into. This new life. Dean was determined to make things as normal as possible. He thought they'd already lost too much to paralysis SALICIS. I had this belief that we could still do everything we always did before and everything that we wanted to do and we just need to. May need to modify somewhere and we may need some special tools or equipment to help us but if if we wanted to hike half dome than we could find a way to make it happen we could do it. We get friends we do it. My approach was totally the different I wanted to be in relationship with paralysis because I had had the time in the air between the branch and the ground and I knew that paralysis had something for me. I knew that being present with this experience was going to change me and change my view view of life in extraordinary ways where I think for dean. It was nothing but loss. I always had both even when it was really hard. It was confusing dean what she wanted sort of changed whereas before she wanted to go hiking in the Sierra Nevada's it shift to to being in the Sierra Nevada's like she didn't have to go hiking. I was absolutely content to sit by the tent and be present with the trees and and feel the wind on my face and maybe write or draw or journal or read a book and just be there he also. It didn't really want to talk about paralysis. I think for him. Paralysis was always there. We didn't have to keep acknowledging it and for me. I had to acknowledge college it it was it was impacting every little inch of my being. If I didn't talk about that I was going to go crazy her Eliana the third party in their relationship pulled her right back into the same cycle the when she climbed the tree to get out of in the first place but now it had a different town things were still not solid there was still some. Are we together or are we not and some question as to you know was. I hi in this for the right reasons was I in this for for guilt. was I in this because there was an expectation that I should stay for me. None of that was ever really a question. It's it's just it's where I wanted to be. I felt better with her than I did anywhere else. It wasn't so much that Liana was worried. Dean would leave. It felt even bigger and scarier than that. I was so much more afraid that Dean would stay for the wrong reasons and in fact it was so frightening to me that every time he would bring up the future in this like tender first year post injury that we had together I would respond to what he said with with some factoid about life with paralysis so he would have something really sweet like I've been thinking a lot lately about living together and and I would say she hit the ground ten years we're taking off her life and then some later time he would make some sweet comment about just want to wake up to you forever and I would say you know my chances of getting bladder. Cancer are much higher now that I'm a catheter user in the poor guy he's trying to have this sweet romantic loving devoted relationship with me and I keep shoving the ugly truth about paralysis in his face it was frustrating and finally after a year of this he said to me Liana. You have to stop. You have have to stop doing that. I know I know you don't have to keep telling me I know all of these things. You've told me all these things. I've read all these things. This is not new information for me. I know this and I still I don't want to be here so stop. Stop talking and at that point. I thought OK well. I I did what I could and he says he knows. I'm going to have to just trust him for it and take that risk and I finally stopped pointing all these things out to him. You can feel free to pity him now because he truly deserved it. There are some events that have a way of stripping away all the stuff that doesn't matter to reveal an essential choice. I'm going to be and who do. I want to be Leonidas. Paralysis was that opportunity for dean. The injury really made me focus on what was important important. What really mattered to me. We have different spiritual beliefs. Does that matter or not no it doesn't deal with it if it comes up certainly me but don't make it a thing we have kind of different beliefs about medicine or whatever it is kind of the crucible that was our emotional channel state forced me at least to evaluate fairly quickly was important and what wasn't and focus on the stuff that was important and just let go the stuff that wasn't. Leon also found herself opening up in ways. She never expected. Paralysis hadn't just transformed her body. It expanded her heart ARP as hard as devastating excruciating as it was it was also beautiful and Glorious and full full of magic and I wanted people to get to see that to get to have that I felt like if I was the only one who is going to benefit from from this accident and then I had paid too high price seven months after her injury we on a got onstage for the first time and talked about her experience in front of an audience the audience response to that was extraordinary and also when I watched the video tape there was this woman on the stage age whom I had never seen before who was absolutely on fire and on purpose and had had become something really extraordinary and I wanted to live into that woman that I saw on the stage age. She created a show around that woman and called it caterpillar soup. The play starts on the day I fell and it ends on the two year anniversary but there was no way to tell the story of my transformation without talking about Dean because he had been such a constant companion he had been present for all of these moments of transformation he was there and it wasn't until I had my very first audience that I realized I had written a love story. The show was supposed to run for two weeks. It ran for six months. It got reviewed in the L. A. Times and daily variety eighty beyond a never expected such a big reaction and during the run of Caterpillar Soup. She got another surprise. I essentially fell in love with Dean all over again at a much deeper level you know he was my Sam. Wise Frodo says I'm going to more alone and Sam says of course yes you are and I'm going with you and that's who we were high said. Yes to being transformed by this experience of paralysis assists and he didn't have to go on that journey with me but he wasn't gonNA. Let me go alone. That's we became by the end of the run of that show. Oh I knew this is where I wanna be a few months. After Caterpillar Soup closed Liana and dean moved in together. I was definitely on the marriage track at that point. I knew this is where I wanted to be and I was a little bit surprised is that Dean seem to maybe not be exactly on that track. I WanNa be with her and I know that when when when is the point where we're that turns into wanting to be married to somebody and being confident that a relationship a boyfriend girlfriend relationship can work as a marriage dean was waiting for one of those lightning bolt moments the one we all wait for and rarely really ever get. We don't all have the same hair. 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Formula Dean Liana had been living together for a few years and dean still hadn't proposed everytime I brought up getting married or questioned why we weren't talking about getting married he would express us his fears and reservations about getting married. Dean had been waiting for a sign something that showed him. This is the moment you know you're supposed to spend the rest of your life with this woman then ask and ye shall receive for me. There actually was a lightning bolt moment when that happened and it was a fight. I couldn't tell you what we were fighting about but over the course of the argument we went from being angry with each other to talking to each other to understanding each other her to being comfortable again with each other and when I realized that that was not only possible but seemed to be our norm I realized that this was what I wanted from a marriage and so after that I remember waking up the next morning and saying I'm I'm ready and then it was a question of when to ask her. He wanted to choose a day with special meaning but he kept coming back to October fourth earth. We had a tradition that developed around the anniversary of the fall. The first anniversary of the fall was very difficult for both of us. That whole day was incredibly hard. We were exhausted and we were sort of watching the clock just to get to the point where October Tober four would be over so we were watching for midnight and when the clock finally got to midnight Dean hugged me any said happy new year and it was a really big deal for us because it meant that we had made it through the first year of being injured. The second year anniversary was actually really spectacular. The second year anniversary had been absolutely golden and we had this same happy new year moment at midnight and dean expected that their third October fourth fourth anniversary would be just as Golden I was I was going to bring out the ring and happy New Year. Will you marry me. Everything was going to be amazing. She was going going to cry. Tears of wonderful joy in my head. All of this was happening. The reality was a little bit different. Liana Liane awoke up on the third anniversary of her fall and felt awful for the first time since I had fallen. I lost all hope in recovery free. I was devastated. I was absolutely drowning in grief. She'd spent the day with friends doing everything possible to distract herself from from October fourth at ten PM. She decided to call it quits. I knew that the fastest way out of October four was to go to sleep and so L. I I wanted to be done with the anniversary. You know it was maybe ten o'clock or something like that. She says I just want to go to bed and immediately my plan plan for my evening. I realized was falling apart but I couldn't tell her that. I had a plan for the evening but she saw it on my face and she said you really wanted to do happy new year. Didn't you and I said Yeah I really did so we were laying in bed in waiting for the time you know to run out to get to midnight and I start talking out loud about my grief. I start processing out loud the difficulty of this particular anniversary this particular year and I'm lamenting my losses and talking about how much I miss hiking in the woods how much I miss his touch and being able to feel him. I realized that things were getting farther and farther away from the joyous experience that I had anticipated aided or and hoped for and then I felt I needed in order to do this so dean decided to end October fourth for them. Yeah he grabbed her alarm clock and turn the clock forward to just after midnight because somehow in my head that meant that it was now the next day and that was going to change things and I'm looking at like what the hell are you doing and he opens up his bedside table and he pulls out this little red box. It's got this huge grin on his face open. The Box Fox News show her the ring and I say Leeann puff. Will you marry me. I Open my mouth and the only words that will come out as Oh my God and I say Oh my God. Oh my God oh my God like it's literally. The only thing that will come out of my mouth and what's happening to me in that moment is that I can't process the mix of emotion that I'm feeling a certain point I say to her Liana. I need you to say something other than God like. It can be anything can be. Yes it can be no oh but I need you to say something other than Oh my God I have absolutely no ambivalence about marrying dean. I am one hundred percent clear. I want to marry Dean but in that moment steeped as I am in the grief and loss of October four I can't access authentically that desire and the last thing I want to do is start this phase of our life from a a place that's not authentic and so I started just talk not about the proposal not about the injury and somewhere in the midst of all of that this yes us sort of falls out and dean catches it any interrupts me. He's like wait wait. Did you just say yes and I sort of paused for minute and I'm I'm like there it is there's that happy place and I said Yes yes. I'm saying Yes yes I will marry you and then I realized that I'm about to become clinically hysterical so Liana did what any hysterical woman would do. She took off the ring and gave it back and and my heart sank like you're not supposed to take the ring often. Give it back minutes after it's been given to you but that's what what was happening so she took it off and she asked me what time it really was and he says it's eleven forty and I said okay. This is what I need. I need twenty more minutes of October four and then I'm all yours and so I take the ring off and I put it in the box and I lay down on the bed and he lays down next to me and we're both on our backs. Were not touching on either side of the bed and we both start to process out loud. What's happening for each of us. What was I thinking why. What kind of idiot picks this day to ask someone to marry them. Like how dumb do you have to be to do that. Took what could be a beautiful thing and I've ruined it how much it hurts me to not be able to move how the stillness of paralyzed life is maddening to somebody like me. Two thirds of my body doesn't move and doesn't feel everybody said you should pick another day. Just pick any time and it'll be great but you had to have this big plan. She's not GonNa WanNa be with me because obviously I'm an idiot at some point in the midst of all this. I happened to look over and see the clock. That's now at the proper time and it says twelve four and without any decision on on my part without any effort this huge smile like blooms on my face and the grief lifts like instantly and I reach over over Dean and I grabbed the little red box and Leonidas kind of leaning over me and smiling and what are you smiling clicked. How dare you sit there and smile at me while I'm in this deep hole and I say Dean Purvis you marry me. He's looking at me and you can see he sort of grappling with. Do I stay in this whole or do I climb. I'm up in meet you where you are and then I guess he decides to climb out because he says yes yes. I will and before anything else can happen. He flips me over on the bed. He grabs the box. He opens it up and he asks me again. LEANNA stroke off. Will you marry me and I say yes ask me again okay. Will you be my wife. I say yes but ask me again and every time I ask him to. Ask me again. He finds a new way to ask and every time she says yes. That proposal was a metaphor for like the perfect metaphor for our relationship. Something goes wrong and we find a way to come back together stronger than we were before and we got married a year and a half later on actual New Year's Eve December thirty first with about one hundred people will deny designed every minute of that ceremony. We really wanted to be Dean and Leeann as wedding. We went to a lot of effort to kind life. Make it as personal as possible to us. Most girls grew up dreaming about what though where in the moment they commit to the person they love forever but Liana was different ever since she was a little girl. Liana dreamed about the first dance she had choreographed it a million times in her head and she wasn't. I'm willing to give that up just because she couldn't move her legs so she found a dance company who agreed to work with her and Dean to choreographed dance moves that showed exactly who bay were together. Dean and I were at far sides of the dance floor and were sort of making our way a slowly to each other and almost like magnets who come together and then kind of repel a little bit and come together and repel little bit which was so much what are coming together. Look like in the first place I mean. She looked great. She moved and looked terrific. I you know I do not consider myself really dancer at all and then it was just sort of total free form and and at that point like deans personality started to really come out then he would draw me to him and then he would sort of push me away until at one point he pulled me toward him and I licked Licht is knows because I just wanted to be clear that you may think that you have total control of me but that's not how this is going to go how she looked like a white flower in a soft breeze like the whole dance is one long movement. The chair hasn't hindered entered that at all It's still a joy to watch her move. Liana Dean have been married for thirteen years and have have a nine year old son named aiden and they both agree that Leonidas fall from the trees seventeen years earlier change them in ways. They never could have imagined. I don't think there's there's any question that had this injury. Not Happen had the fallen that happened. Dina and I wouldn't be together because the truth is I was moving really really fast. I wouldn't have noticed what I had in dean. I wouldn't have seen what was really at the core of him and it's only because this paralysis slowed to a dead stop that I had that opportunity our bond together stronger than it was before and is better and more joyful aw than it was before this accident off as it is to say I think brought out the best in each of us and we were there to receive each other and that's a wrap. That's our first season of the moment. We'll be back sooner than you know it with more stories about love and relationships in the amazing moments that make up a couple's life together in the meantime. We have a new show coming your way starring more. That's French for me. I will be answering your questions about love and relationships. How am I qualified to do that. I am not which makes it very fun. 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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 4 with Matt Liguori

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 4 with Matt Liguori

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off. I can sell you the our ASE everybody. Welcome to the RHA. Bnb episode four of survivor winners at war. My name is Mike Bloom. The heartbreak continues. Its good heartbreak Saiki break in heartbreak. Damn it hurts so good to talk about winners at worn. Here's a panel to quell our sadness yet. Talk about the joy that is this season of survivor first. Liana Boris Leon. How're you how man? Yeah I'm like either over here saying my mantras trying to get through the Achey breaky heart. That is this season. Call Me Billy Ray Cyrus. Because man at her well. We're going to talk into a guy who goes by many names. Billy Ray might not be one of them. They'll maybe it will buy the you know him from the power rankings. He does every week here on our H. AP proper with Gavin Whitson and Victoria. Bam on a you know him from a myriad of podcast out here on the network as well as covering the challenge. Brian Scalia Colin which actually announced a comeback date that God. It's an April because March. Just seems like a crazy month to be a reality. Tv Fan but we're happy. He made some time for us. It's liquorice Liguori himself. Spongebob Matt How's IT GOING? I Never GonNa beat that intro. That was great. Thanks Mike and Takes on a thank you guys so much for having me here. I wasn't sure if I was going to get chance to talk about survivor. Forty anywhere so the second that I got a message that I hadn't invite I was so excited Very happy to be here like you said Challenge is going to be back soon. There is a lot of reality. Tv on right now and every once in a while you'll be watching you know. The Australian survivor were Be Can just started again and I'll be watching that and I'm like wait a second like am. I forgetting the fact that like an all winter. Season Survivor's airing right. Now like I need to. I need to not only on Wednesdays and like when I'm writing my blog like there's a lot more time that I need to be thinking about this season. There's so much reality TV. We were talking in the pre show. The seventy five dollar patrons will work but But yeah about how? It's watching TV from the moment you wake up. You're going to like it so much content. I'm enjoying it so much. Although this week was particularly difficult after last week as well. But Oh my gosh. It's it's all winners guys. It's all winners. Yes I still cannot believe it. I still can't believe a lot of things you know. Now that we are staring down the barrel of a swap. And we're looking at who left. Who's on the edge of extinction right now? It completely baffles me that you know you have people like Sarah lassina being super chummy with everybody that Sandra was the swing. Vote this episode that Boston Rob is not only still on the beach but giving words of encouragement to Michelle. These are people that we all had dead to rights in the preseason yet. They're all still here and I guess it really proves that anything can happen in this season of survivor where there's so many different levels of thinking and so many different levels of reputations and previous connections and everything that it really is tough to predict week to week what's going to happen. I think Tyson is the closest one To being I guess on that top tier with the rest of those guys that you just mentioned like everybody else. That's been voted out so far has been Somewhat Middle Tier. Obviously you know you can say certain things about their game play. Like I think Natalie is one of the top winners that we've ever seen but in terms of like legend status thing like those guys are all still in the game. That's incredible to me. It was also really fascinating to hear Tony. Talk in this episode about he play where like where the threats are. I think it was in his conversation with Tyson. Or a confessional. But essentially we got the idea that Tyson was ahead of him in terms of threat. Level which is insane. But that's the way that he sees it and then Sandra is like slightly behind them. So it's so interesting to see all of these dynamics also we got to hear. Tony called Tyson. T-bone I needed in my life. I dead I am so happy I feel. It's a long long time since we've done a Tony Nickname since you didn't get any opportunities in game changers to do so at least on screen. But I feel like he's really lapping up his time here. Where since? Really the days of the young lad and Jeremy have we gotten him being able to nick. I guess the Sandra Count does a mispronunciation counters as a nickname. I Dunno as the nickname expert. Asmat the nicknames from rob so we're going to have to get the big guy on the phone here okay whatever how. How crazy is it? The before the season The same people were saying about Tony. Well at least we have the edge of extinction. Guaranteed every single episode of Tony. He's still in the game. He's still in the main game. We don't need the edge edge of extinction due to see Tony all season long. He's he's killing it. Let's Talk. Let's talk about this episode. Because I've seen you know I've seen a mix range of opinions. I guess more mixed than I think the previous three episodes namely because of that edge of extinction segment and I think it was an absolutely beautiful sequence especially for someone like Ethan and the journey. He's been on. I've also seen some people kind of push back against the segments saying. Why do we need to see this? Why do we need to see these people bonding when there are eliminated from the game? You're taking time away from all the dynamics that are going on Liana. Where did you stand on this episode personally? Especially in comparison to the three that came before. Okay so in this episode in general. I thought that it was good to finally see the dynamics on the red tribe because they hadn't had to go to tribal so it was really difficult to know where everybody's stood like. Nick Wilson. Talked about right. You can promise so many things but until you actually see the votes fall you really don't know where the lines are. Drawn ended up when he said when you take an instamatic photo. That's when you know research really the lines exist. Does anybody know what that is? I think that's a new social platform that he kept under his hat until now I think this was a soft lawn for instamatic. You can find me on instamatic photos dot com or the APP or whatever. What do you think that would do? Maybe it's four people you can't pin down and when you take a photo them like cemented a location for them so you could use it for timestamps. Instagram Matt like it's Instagram. But it's instamatic what I hear my name somewhere in there. It's just does of Mats Bats driven platform out there on the bracket come too late L. Download Oh yeah I'll download. I'll be a user. It's cool. I don't think it'll be allowed to be a user unless you have to name is like Matt. Boris there's room for all the mats in the world so if anybody wants to make their middle name their nickname. You're welcome okay. That'll be my nickname Liana Matt. Boris is that your nickname. I just really wanted to be on instamatic from the ground up on instamatic. Just whatever it's too cool you wouldn't get to talk with the extinction moment though too because I saw people saying. Oh this is taking time away. I was so emotional when I was watching that scene. I almost cried especially when Ethan everybody went up with Ethan to get the last log. It was that but also like Oh my God. It was crazy emotional. Then I re watched it and I get where people are complaining that it was boring because it was really boring the rewatch but in the emotion of the moment I really enjoyed the segment on. Tv What do you think? So I mean going back to the The last season of the challenge we ended up with ninety minute episodes and there were times throughout the season where I was like okay. Maybe we don't need these ninety minutes Each week and then I was talking to. I WANNA a candidate before the season started about how people say they want more time but then when the time comes they actually don't want it and I was like maybe he's right because I had that thought but the challenge But now that we have this here. This is showing me that there are specific seasons of shows and this particular season of all winners. That you need that extra time. If you're going to have edge of extinction you need to give some extra time so that we can see what's going on in the game and not have an entire ten minutes of the show or whatever it was devoted to the edge of extinction because I liked the segment. I like the people on the edge and I've been you know putting it in my blog. Each talking about how I am. Glad that the edges here for the season. Because I don't want to lose. These people already lost Natalie Anderson after one episode and that was it for the entire her entire return appearance I would have been devastated and then come rich and fire tokens. She wouldn't be able to invest in instamatic and become candidate. Richest person in the world and we are getting to witness it in front of our eyes. So if we didn't get that opportunity I would have been pretty upset. So you know who knows how it's going to play out in terms of like the game itself time. The guy came back and won. Who knows if anything like that will happen this time? But I think we're getting stuff from the edged release satisfy me and I'm sure other people who were very sad that Ethan went last week as well. All of us are still heartbroken over that and then you know it's it's as favorites. Keep going over there. I think it's at least for me. Is I still feel good about having it here? I think with this particular episode when you look at it after the fact I think we realize that this was by far the most straightforward vote of the season so far to the point where I think actually rob talked about this a bit and his podcast but t but I think there have been some. Nancy drew's out there on the survivor. Sub pointed out that in fact. Maybe Tony's a last minute hitch to save Tyson as a shield might have actually been done out of sequence and so really Tyson. Was the dead man walking that Wendell promised for basically the entire episode and so from that perspective. I guess they got a bit lucky that they could use something like edge of extinction to had it out like yes. These are amazing personalities. But I mean if they're looking for some strategic content unfortunately it didn't seem like the call at least in the moment was providing a lot of intrigue up in the Air Dynamics that SELA has been the past couple of tribal councils. I can absolutely understand like you said about the time suck nature of it all especially on a re watch or maybe you're not as emotionally compelled knowing what's going to happen but I don't know as someone who has had the opportunity to talk with a Bunch of survivor editors people have been saying like. What does this mean about? Ethan's chances it really means anything I you know. Talking with these editors they really do say like yes. Long-term storylines do sort of exists but really each episode. We're looking for what's the most entertaining content out of that three day period. And I really do feel like they found this extremely emotional a beautiful beautiful journey for Ethan and so they really wanted to focus on that understandably so and so the reason why this was in here. I honestly think I take it at face value. It was to highlight this beautiful scene from Ethan unless Oh like oh great. This means doesn't come back into the game. And they're sending him off or this means he's definitely coming back into the game. I honestly think it's just something they wanted to use it. They thought was really compelling and helped build a time when otherwise the game play was more stagnant than it has been in previous weeks and it was emotional and it was so inspirational. And that's what I get it. I totally get it and I I loved. It is what I mean when a aired especially. Oh my Gosh I was. Y'All people are heartless out there so sad. Well let's start getting into our fair here on the way. Wait I have a question? Do you guys sorry. I thought of this for the challenge. Okay I- i- man. I I don't know how I feel about this. What I WANNA talk about throwing the challenge. This isn't my discussion question. I have a discussion. Tv's the challenge. No well no. We love that. I'm very I'm very excited for the challenge Come through Big Brother. Okay actual survivor. Us contest and IT'S GONNA be. Yeah but yeah okay. That's fine later. Challenge no no. I heard there was some fishing. That's going on with with Nick Wilson on twitter talking about like He was tweeting. That Michelle saying like oh. You guys had some help. And then people took that to mean that they threw the challenge and then later he clarified that they didn't I mean I get that. They wouldn't want to go into a swap with Tyson if they can avoid it. But I just don't know if I see that being the case I mean do do we have any concrete tweets back and forth either way of like no. I think I've seen outside of that sort of reading between the lines. I've seen people watch the challenge and be like. Oh we'll Tyson's rarely swimming but doesn't seem like anyone else's swimming. I really do feel like like during game changers when they threw that challenge to get rid of Sandra. They were very vocal about it. You know I do feel like these survivor. Players do not WanNa look foolish especially in challenge performance on television so if they were actually throwing it. I do believe they would say that. I think people like Nick and Sarah. I'd be like Oh. Yeah we were definitely throwing it to get rid of heist like no question whatsoever. And I think the fact that they did not say that means that no they truly do not throw it. I think it was just a big big show at the end which allowed you know. Sell to have their own pseudo inspirational moment. As Adam Klein finally grabs his whole Paschi. Does okay all right. So if that is the case and they did not throw it. That is some arison puzzle performance. I'm just GONNA say that was not that hard and you could solve it two ways because he could solve it upside down because it was symmetrical so and that's bad on their part and you know maybe it was because the fact that neither Sandra nor so he was on that puzzle that entirely possible. They know what I've said that they were gonNA throw it because the word embarrassing to poorly on. I'm loving this running theme of Wendell not being in the puzzle but still screaming from the sideline like helping with the puzzle. Like Jeff pointed it out last week is like Wendell really wants to get in there and then this week again. It's just felt like every other shot of the red tribe. Doing the puzzle was Wendell screaming at them to do this. And that I'm like dude. Just go in the puzzle. I Love Wendell the Hockey Dad. I love him standing on the sidelines. Being like come on. That's a clear foul like you. Let me step in there and do it you know like. He's clearly sort of backseat coaching from the sidelines. Even though he technically can't participate as a secret scene of two calls trail where Wendell was like. I'm so glad to water challenge. We'RE GONNA KICK ASS in the water. So yeah I I don't I personally. Don't think there was any sort of fishy nece going on. Though who knows we know these people unfortunately had a bit of radio silence as maybe we'll find out after the fact that yeah. They were trying to get rid of Tyson because it was such a clean vote. Yeah maybe a window was participating in the challenges. They're trying to participate in the puzzle so much after that one time when he didn't win immunity because he forgot to call Jeff overcompensating. He's at yeah exactly and he's probably the end of every time they finished a Jeff Jeff Jeff standing next to Jefferson like tap on the shoulder every time they get close. Yeah right like just preparing for when they do solve the puzzle attention. Yeah exactly. Let's get into Tyson speaking of Tyson. Because here he goes to edge of extinction. Who knows he may be coming back soon but he gets Sent out pretty handily here. Even though he is it's a pretty consensus thing for the tribes. So much so that. There's this really sad scene where he's like. Great Nick Nick. It's an easy vote right to these devote. Everyone's going for nick and then he walks away and everyone's like or ties in human realize. We're all ganging up on him but Liana. We obviously talked about him a bit. In Our preseason draft back in June but as the preseason began to crystallize closer to the premier. How did you think is going to do? Especially with the advent of Il. We in the fire agains okay. So here's what I said for Tyson. I said that he would continue to spread those preseason rumors which proved to be effective and sowing mistrust he mentions actual factual and or Bolt Hall. And confessional is the first person to try to buy an advantage off of someone with fire tokens and I said that he would get sixty nine fire token and he would have thirty four confessionals his ally. It'd be Jeremy and his enemy would be Tony so islas so wrong on pretty much everything interesting. So I mean I also feel like it would be someone Thais into purposely end on sixty nine fire. Devon's exactly like he was for that well so I decided especially when it came Leon and I said we're not gonNA make any predictions terms of placements because extinction fusses with everything. So let's just make a winner pick and you know what when I will after my draft. I felt really nervous about picking Tyson. I and my team second overall you three. Were Balking at me but then in the preseason I was looking at all this positively about ties since I'm like okay. I feel good about this and it could still come to pass before at the moment. My winner pig Tyson. Apostol has been voted out. I said he'd given the most stuff by people on edge of extinction. I guess whether that meant like the fire tokens or whether they're meant people selling stuff just because he has all these friends. I said he'd vote someone out after taking their advantage. Sierra Thomas Style. If it was last seen that'd be all the more pertinent to what you said. Liana he would be very capable and would spread a bunch of lies and misinformation to turn the tribe against each other. I said his closest ally was you'll and his biggest enemy was Sandra. And I said Oh seventy confessionals I think. Ten five or tokens or something like that by the end. Okay yeah so I mean. He had a miserable winter. Pick right so obviously. He was going to go deep into the game. So wow yeah what a world that would have been could still happen again. That's true I just love Tyson's legacy on this season I mean. Obviously it's not finished yet. We don't know how it's going to go forward from here. But at this point to this point he has now voted out but just from like the superfan level of like where we are within the RTP community to have this in like a year from now that will be able to look back and also have the news af podcasts from when Tyson was gone filming and just have all of those where people were confused. People were questioning themselves. Their lives their things that they learned in everything And then some people like that knew about it of course We were having fun listening along. The the cliffs of Tyson in there That's a whole other level of like part of this season that I think is going to be so fun to look back on talk about inside jokes so glad that they ended up doing that at the time. I was like this is Kinda stupid and then as I was like. You know what this is. Funny this is this is actually funny that like they went really hard with it. They did a lot of planning and it was good and just quickly My my thoughts on Tyson were that be Before the season I felt pretty good about him. I think I had Definitely at least in my top five of my preseason power rankings But then after the first episode I was you know. Obviously we saw that. He was on the outs. But my first thought was just all right. This season We saw Natalie going out. I said you know what the people that are. The likeable ones around camp. The people that are making you laugh. they are going to have absolutely no luck this season using that skill in particular to get far in the game. This game is going to be only about connections. Who knows who and all that kind of stuff. It has nothing to do with the traditional like Tyson or Natalie game play like I said of keeping people laughing and all that that has. That's not going to help them at all. And of course as we see they're both already gone. So ironically enough you talk about you know it's going to come down to who knows who but Tyson and this is what he was trying to pitch sort of got taken out by an alliance of people who don't know anybody else. It's so interesting. And it's like the complete opposite of blood versus water. Right and blood versus water. Tyson was part of those group of unconnected individuals being like. Okay we have to gang up on the the pairs this aim that people that know each other 'cause then they're gonna take us out and then the exact opposite happened here raise worthy people who know each other who have connections to join up together or else these unconnected individuals are gonNA take us out. I should know I was one of them. It's like he's a good survivor player. It's crazy yeah. No that was really good. And it's neat to see those parallels and I love that point Matt about the fact that essentially the skill set that you have if you were social player because of the players that you're playing with essentially that is like a nolan void benefit because everybody's such a good player and because everybody's so smart it's also been really interesting to see how these winners are playing because it almost is like encapsulates what is may be the ideal strategy which is to kind of lay low easy consensus boots in the beginning right. That's what everybody seems to be trying to be doing Apart from you know you've seen more from the blue tribe. Obviously they've sort of playing a little bit faster but then we saw red tribe go to tribal council you know. They really were playing the swap. They were playing. He's and so it's interesting that you know that's the strategy that they've adopted early will the strategy on the call has essentially been get rid of anyone who knows. Boston Raw Right. Which for which is what the third out of five votes has been around Boston? Rav which is just insane again. Say What you want to about the man's legacy his stature in the survivor community but the fact that they're taking people out around him just for the pure idea of them joining up with him and working with him later on is astounding to me and what he's been able to do. It's like I I saw this get tweet tweet it out. I feel like it's almost. It's not exactly a one for one comparison to Sandra and game changers but I guess similarly to one of those things of like. Wow Rob has been on borrowed time right now and the fact that he makes it day after day without getting a huge huge target on him getting his Porch. Enough is pretty damn ridiculous and you know. It's one thing to come into the season with the legacy of being Boston. Rob being like one of if not the biggest well known characters in survivor history. It's another thing that they all came out there and saw his head on a huge statue right where they were doing. Preseason press. Oh you know this was always going to play out like this. You know any kind of surprised And would you say that? He's playing with house money at this point. I mean I kind of think so like I do not think my head into the wall fell. I couldn't grab the key and I just drenched myself instead. But yes he's any he'll go all in but I feel like he's losing any sort of he's losing all his chips tax essentially like I feel like he's going into this this swap very short stack but who knows knowing his luck this season. It's going to end up being a super good swap for him like it'll be the majority and he'll be able to be like all right. I guess we'll keep everything together. And then somehow some way Boston freaking rob is going to make the merged and it's going to be incredible. He's my last hope. My All star trio to two of them are already gone and now you know he rob's doing the work for that. I need somebody to do protecting poverty as much as possible so I need him around as long as we can get him. Operation Protect Poverty. I love that. That's the goal of boy all right. Well let's start getting into our games here because while you'll said that he does not do Matt this season I'm GonNa make you is do some Matt's this is a game I like to call by the numbers Not just the twenty trips of the logs that were going on this episode but lots of numbers happening over the course of episode of survivor. It's a pretty simple game. I'm going to ask you a question. Answer is going to be a number. I'm going to have you each write down a number and whoever's closest is going to get a point or that question so we'll see how keen your skills of observation are okay. That sounds good. Okay wait let me get all right. Okay I'm ready are getting padded paper. Yeah I have a little note pad. I have written wealth minutes. Does anybody know what that means? What happened to me edge of extinction the edge of extinction segment was about ten to twelve minutes? I think this episode or do you just write down. Maybe down twelve o'clock instead like do something at noon an IRA well. This is from previously. I wrote down twelve minutes like I wrote. Men's twelve men's missing. It's not minutes this is a mystery quite a mystery. I'm gonNA keep this posting. Who's the mysterious twelve minutes? Mr Twelve minutes. Oh man get. Nancy drew over here. Call up the hardy boys. We got a mystery on our hands. Mr Twelve minutes was my nickname in college. Oh my God well bloom all right here. We go so again. We'll have you both right down. An answer for each question will use the honor system here. There's no honor among thieves on survivor. But it seems like we are going with an honor. Jervis for this one so again the answer is just going to be a straight up number so use your best guestimation here. We go so on Day ten. You'll decides to greet the day by hugging and or like shaking the shoulders of a good amount of the Dakota tribe members. How many people did we see? You'll embracing start the day who notice you'll being so touchy failure or you guys walking around. He was like patent people on the shoulders and stuff. I love friendly. You'll hear reminds me of like that's a very boss thing right of him being like a God. A invigorate motivation positively in my co worker. So let me like walk down the cubicle and being like Bob. How's the wife doing like starting up conversations at the coffee maker the water cooler if you will get manager all right so matt? What's your number here a? I guess I'll keep it low. I can't imagine that he was going to everybody in the library. Like he's not going anywhere near near Tyson and Kim. That's putting a target on his back so that brings us down to six options. Maybe 'cause not including I'll four. I also said four and you were both right on the money or teamwork makes the dream. Work embraced nick. He shook Tony on the shoulder. As Tony was sleeping. He hugged Kim Anti Hug Sophie. As well interesting. Yeah so because crossing party lines. It's not instamatic yet. So he can still hug the enemies they can all change their names to Matt. But you're just trying to. He's trying to bring him in right so bring him in with every. I wonder if he knew about the again. We won't be able to talk with them about until much much later. I wonder if he knew about the whole half idol thing. Do we ever get his. I don't think so fi. Ever return the half idol to Kim. Adam did with denise she did not know they definitely wanted to set something. If if that was the case and Kim Kim was very interesting to me to be watching this episode because like maybe you caught it and I didn't I don't know. Did she say any words at all besides to Sarah like she'd never confessional de feeling she was very quiet? There was a sequel. Maybe there was a reason because there was a secret seeing that apparently Kim's been struggling a little bit with home-sickness now the changes she'd left three kids behind which was very different from her situation. Last time out check she has a really beautiful confessional about how last time she was super strategic and now she's like quote unquote letting herself be more emotional and more vulnerable. Brightening maybe just between NAT and just not being really affiliated with the main decision makers. Apparently in the tribe was not a purple episode. Surprisingly for Kim Spradlin. It just felt like every single scene was Kim looking in conversation looking sad and I was like I really WanNa give her a hug. She did look really sad. I was just the you mentioned with Sarah was she was like. Yeah like yeah. I'm in I was like man. Kenneth Sad lynn this season and then it was even more crushing at the very end. When obviously taste goes out and doesn't give us fire token to her. I was like come on dude. Well Kim that she works you know. She was star Trek by a lot of people but she didn't outright mentioned Tyson. I think that was really her folly. Here pity idolatry of it all. Yes exactly he would just say that. It's your hero and give you like. He knew that she was on the outs and like Tyson wants to cause chaos bet. That Stations Games You know that's his lifestyle of trying to stir the pot a little bit and the fact that he didn't give it to the person on the outside. I was like oh well considering. His first option was to try to swallow it. But all right. Let's go to the next question here. What is the number on Danny'S JERSEY? Oh my God I have no idea. I might be disqualified from this question because I have a picture of her right in front of me now. I didn't mean how was I supposed to know all right? Well we'll call this question awash but Liana give me a guess of what you think. The number is seven And it wasn't sure if you. I wonder if it's like tongue in cheek to the fact that this is her second time out because clearly it's like a custom Jersey rights bedazzled etiquette says Danny girl on girl. Yeah after a whole season of survivor. Just a quite the outfit. Yeah it is quite that and then our hat as well. I wonder if like only she could get away with it like I'm sure a future contests in for like season forty one or like Jeff. I WANNA wear my lettermans jacket from. Jv football on the island. He'd be like absolutely not get the hell out of here. Oh my God. I'm trying to get rid of some clothes and making space and I have so much of my high school across stuff is. It's like good quality jackets but I'm like why am I gonNa wear like my my boat? House Jack You like. What was the cause we had? We didn't have lettermans jacket. We more so had like Letterman's windbreakers which were like just very light jackets with school colors. We never actually had like the stereotypical heavy jackets that you associate with with athletes with did you guys have pins. Did they give you pins no because I would say where? Would you put that on your windbreaker? Stylish just be like it would. Have you know the name of the Sport? I guess printed on like the back. I think and then you get your name embroidered on the front. It'll be one like an embroidered windbreaker. That just feels weird. Can we make the official? Nba Winfrey absolutely. Why the Hell not? Yeah Yeah yes added to our Shark tank yeah. Is that the only to save on embroidery. We're only going to have the name Matt. Be Sewn on so much instamatic. You have to be nicknamed Matt to buy them getting better and better. It's Matt themes. Oh my God this is amazing idea. All right next question on. What number trip of the twenty did ethan get attended to by medical thinking? I think Sixteen Matt I also have sixteen. Wow you're kill you. Both are counted. Sixteen sweet sixteen is correct her. Ray Yeah because I remember him saying that he only had four left then. I did the math. So we're next in ROB's conversation with Michelle which is so interesting on its own level. How many times it. He's swing that ring. That's a good question it's a lot. It's a lot All right would you put down? I went with Thirteen Leon. I went I was seven. Liana you keep on keep on exactly seven is correct sir. Oh my God a lot more than that. How well? That's just what we saw the AD. It never shows everything right. Well this is weird. The weird thing about that scene is when it completes that. He's like good game to Michelle but it seemed like she had no partake in game whatsoever. I didn't think that they were playing against each other. A DOES NOT BOSTON. Rob was just playing the ring gay unless he did this. A couple episodes right like he's smelling the ring and hit and then he like high-fived atom. So maybe it's that. Rob Want someone to stand beside him and observe him swing this ring and then promptly like celebrate with them after he lands it. It's like the new hammock you know he's just going to play the game and then yeah you get to celebrate with people there's some camaraderie gets built after he hits it. I I don't know and make sense. He's he's a genius all right so I believe it was a great moment. I loved him. Reaffirming Michelle about you know Wins Away and you deserve everything that you've that you've accomplished in this game. And I appreciated that so much so if he wants to just keep popping up all the great people while he's playing his game. That's that's great. Oh No I love. That scene is so much. Because it's one of those things where you know. There are so many moments and scenes in this season that are so baked in survivor. You know can you don't know their history doesn't make it makes the scene fine but knowing the meaning behind it makes it even better and that. Michelle is one of the most controversial received winners ever but people might not remember that four. Boston rob was a winner. He was one of the most controversial received runner ups ever. He was somebody who was told like for a while between seasons. Eight twenty two. You should have one instead of amber. Your wife didn't deserve it. All she did was cling onto your coat tails and so not only is he used to like being on the receiving end of that argument but also supporting someone who is getting flack from the fandom and while the Phantom in two thousand four was extremely different from the fandom in two thousand sixteen I can imagine he sympathizes with Michelle and I'm glad that he you know mused that I'm sure it's not gonNa make up for just the emotional turmoil that Michelle went through after that happened but it's always good. I can't imagine from her like how great it was to hear from especially one of the greatest players like. I don't give a shit like you should celebrate the fact that you're a winner. We're all winners here. No matter what who the hell cares ranked this is why I was so pumped for this season to see people that I think are so fascinating interact with each other and this conversation between Boston. Robin Michelle I mean to cosign everything that you guys are saying. Then just add on top of it the fact that you know these two people that that have gone through such unique Stories in their lives. And it's just so fascinating to watch them interact I I really just want them all to like talk and hang out that. That's all my God. If live feeds could exist for this season. I would pay so much money for that because we need. We need like a full reunion of this. Like we can't just have another one of those twenty minutes segments or something like I want the full stage of talking to all these people I dunno if they're going to be talking to each other you know the reunion is mostly talking to probst But like I wanNA see all of these people up on stage and just talking about this experience like the show and all this stuff like I want the full hour which you know. We're not going to get because we're going to end up with like a full twenty person finale and then we have to get through hundred people voting on the jury and all that stuff so I you know I want a lot more than we're getting. I would just love to get like I mean we've gone this little bit especially with that panel. That happened at the premiere screening but I would just love to hear more of these people talk about survivor and specifically like the fan community side of things because that's another interesting element of this ties into the poker lines of all that the show in its hands are tied a bit in this season. But it's really more more embraced like the more. Meta outside aspects of the show like this is one of the first times I can remember players coming in saying like I know I'm remembered for this or I was regarded as this whereas previously when people return. They're more so talking about like the game. They played out on the island. Not necessarily how. The Phantom responded to them in turn Long as they're talking to each other I just like like a panel of. I'm doing the Adam Klein. Marriage hand motion tugging new talking. Yes amazing antastic before we move onto more funding games. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors. Hey It's been henry and Marcus host of the last podcast on the left are shows dedicated to uncovering hilariously horrifying stuff. And now we're only on spotify if you want. Obviously we never force anyone to just blindly bad be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults who do exactly that and more. Please talk on spotify visit spotify dot com slash last podcast to listen free and we are back so let's keep on keeping on all right next question speaking of Adam so we saw his little like Workhorse Strategy. Trying to get back in good with everybody or at least the majority. So there's one shod of atom tearing a huge bundle of wood. How many pieces of wood is Adam carrying from what we're visibly able to see? And yes I did. Count this whole lowered GonNa Got Five thousand hours of television on a week counting pieces of Wood Anna ten month. Old Son unbuilt son. He couldn't count the woods so someone had to. What did you write down? Oh Lord I'm going to go at ten matt go with Lucky Number Seven. I counted probably about twenty one pieces of wood in there. So Liana the points yours wants more man this is. I don't know this is getting a little. I mean I know I get the point and I'm very happy for that but like what defines a piece away. You gotta go back Lake. Didn't I've been on multiple episodes of this week in survivor? History I I know now not to question the host and their their judgment. It's the big mysteries of life. Who is twelve minutes? What constitutes a piece of wood and more? Wow really hitting hard. This WE LEON is booked. Online will be sold with every VM. Windbreaker that we sell. Yeah in addition to the Ron Clark. Rules were really talking up over. Were like that. Will Sell. Ron Clark's book. And then we'll just what staple like a handheld pamphlet of ours. Stick of what fourteen? Rules came up with on their. Yeah my original plan was just print out. A bunch of pieces of paper go to bookstores. And then just shove in or libraries and just stay in the page in the back. I love this. I love this. Guerilla warfare on Clark's book because the mainstream literature media will lead us here out about the true Ron Clark. Rules like always have joey amazing on your team exactly. These are wise words of wisdom that really needs to be shared. All right next question sell a finally won another challenge and they actually got their first reward in the form of egg-laying chickens. How many chickens it's La win the helping this week. That happened this week. Was I o all right? Okay Matt What'd you think? In general the they usually get three. But these are all winners. So I'll go with four also had four. You're both on the money for is correct. I'm assuming three by the time they got back to Cancun listening. Jeremy let one go again. Twinning twin also. Did you see edge of extinction? So maybe they were fearful that someone would wanna pull a big wendy and release the chickens to get you know recognition. They're here for that money. That's the other thing I'd like to see. The contestants talk about. If we can add that to our panel I would like how do we how do you typify Adam Klein voice in writing you know like is it. A bold is an analysis. That is specific. Aunt Ital- sized. Oh can you capitalize the first couple letters of the word the wrestler case right like how many letters number do first syllable all caps and then second and subsequent lower case? Yeah okay type up the entire set of power rankings. This week like that. Yeah exactly inclined type work on it all right so as we saw even though selley did win those four chickens. It was a tough tough road. How many times do we see a sell a member grab and miss the key? Okay we're going to say how many we see. No because the only one we saw from Tacoma we saw sophie miss once. But that's it otherwise they kicked but missed a number of times part of it may have been due to Tony's witchcraft. But they missed out. Oh that was so funny. The yeah fall or whatever. He's all fall yaw okay. Wait sorry what I forgot my question. Is Lou sorry undergoing an earthquake? You saying this colors just. I'm practicing my Adam Klein voice. Okay all right all right. What are you thinking? Oh seven sure I went with a Leon is correct. Oh my God it was it actually seven. It was seven on the money. Denise missed once poverty missed three times and Adam is three times before he finally had his big surreal moment and grab deke almost every time sort of the slow it down to make it look like seven or something. I know I totally thought Adam had more of Bano. He had the same number of Mrs Poverty. It was just to your point Matt a bit more dragged out like the hat ham arduously climbing the ladder again. Of course it makes sense because then he has this. You can poke fun at him but I thought the confessional after the challenge was like so beautiful I thought it was so so beautiful or it was really good the one about if you set your when atom says his mind to something but he was quoting his mom saying something about. His teacher told that to his mom to his teacher. I was like yeah I want my mom or my parents talking to my teachers back then. The those conversations never went well. Were you a problem child? Matt Does Not Stop Talking and get it my I remember. My Mom told my third grade teacher. Mycosis stop peeing his pants and that with me every day I was so sorry I I don't think I ever need good ones that I can remember but just equipment there was an actual memory and it was a joke. I Did Not Actually pee. My pants and third grade. Oh I believe I believed it as well. I'm glad that you clarified judges for it was a pine or it was a take on the Adam. Klein confessional. I was Buren free in the classroom for quite some time at that point. You know it's okay mic. It's fine you can open up size. I'm only reporting for the third grade. GonNa buy depends but my mom when she one of her. Her teacher told my grandmother her mom. Marsha can't keep her hands to herself. And she apparently was always like wanting to like hug the other children and like be everybody's austere and your so your Mama's Kwan. S My mom was your clawed hand. Everybody let's hug it out. We need to remember these times. Not just a war exactly. Let's let's eat are weird fish and learn about math. Yeah all right. How many times was the word facade site in this episode Trick Question? Assad was set at least one so it was not a okay. Okay I do not remember this at all. Okay all right what do you think? I'M GONNA go with four Matt Three Liana. This is your game. You got nearly every question right for is the correct answer are us. I should go buy a lotto ticket today. You guys yeah. This is your lucky day though. I think it'd be more so like you didn't realize you were buying a lot. Apparently you're just backing into these answers without even knowing the exact numbers by them so said it so many times. We'll certainly selfie. Sofi said it. Kosova was on. She brought it up during the whole like are we went to prison in our high school scene which was really really funny. She fired up at Tribal Council Jeff repeated and then she brought it up again boots. Who said it so filthy? That's under the radar she is. Oh Oh oh right. Yeah I know her. Yeah props for Tyson for clocking whole group. That's great I don't know. Do you think that was like that? Was that was not purposeful right. Like he legitimately forgot her name in the decided to just roll with it. I would not be surprised. I mean He. He probably thought to himself at one point while he was out there like I keep forgetting her name and then by you know by the time he got to that confessional. He was like wait a second. I might actually forgotten it so I wouldn't be surprised. I believe that. Well Congratulations Liana. You'll become a prodigy in by the numbers really have become the John Nash of the. Bnb's so congratulations on a well-deserved win mad as a consolation prize you will get your customary BNB windbreaker with your name inscribed perfect if my can can the universe use my luck in a different way for something more actively no offense. Mike. I'm happy to have one very honored but I don't know maybe something more useful not that this isn't useful. Knowing how many logs Adam Clayton carrying around but still actually he was carrying one more piece then the people did so maybe he could have beasted that challenge if he was on the edge with them. Oh my gosh yeah. I walking up and down that hill though so gruesome Oh man. I can imagine I again. You could say what you want to about the time it took to hear their own sort of like journey through it emotionally of them realizing that was definitely not what they expected was was fun. It was reminiscent of ream. Going to that Reiman Keith. Go into that bucket for the first time back in season thirty eight and just realizing near in for help Like we have to do this every day. Yeah exactly all right. Well speaking of Adam where we speaking about him. I don't know yeah sure. Whatever my discussion question I wanNA talk about Adams strategy after he was blindsided right to his left out of the vote by his Alliance members and then we got this whole segment of him working really hard Iran round camp. And then you got the confessionals. Oh Jeremy saying he needs to. You know always working now needs to babysit while Google all that stuff. But what do you guys think is the actual best strategy? Is Adam Acting? Ideally here or is there something else that he could have done because I feel like I don't know exactly what the clear answer is the. It's tough because you would think maybe saving face with group is what you want do but it really does seem like Boston. Rob was very easily able to be like Adam. Talk to me. I can't believe this kid did it. And they're like all right. I'm done with that. I'm at this point so like considering I guess the whole he dug for himself last episode. There's no there's he would have to do like incredibly amazing Ted not have robbed come up to them and for them to not actually believe him or he. Should've I dunno treated Robin and Parv like you know they have the corona virus like just go nowhere near them. That's topical reference. Don't touch your face when you're around on cough. Yeah Get the hand sanitizer from production. Because yeah you just avoid them but if they ever tried to walk up to you to run away pretend like there's an issue restraining order do not go near them. Always always have like make sure. There's another person there with you at the same time like you make your make your own buddy system. I thought ADAM COMING BACK TO CAMP. I mean obviously. He put himself in a spot where he thought he was. He was going to get away with being able to play both sides while keeping his allies. Happy while also while the strategy he was trying to implement a of telling Robin and Ethan. What the plan was you know? Obviously he wanted poverty out in the he hasn't really spoken word to poverty. so interesting to see him go over to talk to them. I. It's it's tough to see where he goes from here I feel like he's got the pieces around him like the right. People have all been going out of the game so far where he wasn't really okay. Maybe not so much ethan but like Natalie and Danny. They weren't doing much for his game But he still has Michelle. He still has denise all around him but it still feels like his game is nowhere near the spot where he would want it to be going into a swamp I mean he's got tons of people by his side that should be his allies but after the way he's been playing people might be willing to sacrifice him a little sooner than he would have hoped for. Yeah and it's also interesting to think about because the winners so far have been playing a little. Bit Consensus boots driven. If that is going to stay now that we're going into a swap or is this going to be the time where the Boston robs the Sandra's is this when they start to go. I don't know I. I think Klein could easily survive until merge it's almost like he's so discounted just whatever no one no one will listen to Adam. No one will play with Adam. We're GONNA treat him like he's got the krona virus then and then he's able to make a far. I liked his apology tour in on the working around camp. I'm just you know if you're Adam and you get left out of the allies. Like what do you do? And it's like? He was left out by his allies and the counter against his original plan. He was left out so he's a completely screwed. He wants to plans out of three total. That were going on. And he was the only one in on his own plan I also like when he was talking with Boston Robin Poverty. They asked if he was going to play puppy. Which I've never heard that phrase. I've heard play possum. But I've never heard someone playing. How do you play puppy? I know you sorta like like you roll around. You like do naughty things like you take Boston Rob Shoes and chew them up on. The list did not do that in third grade. Okay the tail between the legs right and I think that's also over. Yeah have little needle teeth. That hurt people. I feel like that. That's one of the things that you associate with puppy during when when we first had lily our dog as a puppy. That's the way Angela put them is that she had little needle teeth and when she was teething when she would like bite down. It would hurt like the Dickens and now that Asher started to has started to t-. We're lucky that he ELI's has human teeth instead of needle. Tiv does he keep yet. When you baby's teeth. She has one too. It's a weird area. It's a little bit like I don't know why I was going to say it's a little bit like edge of extinction in the mouth but I'm GONNA put that phrase it's a little bit like edge of extinction in the mouth where your teeth. Mike Tackett at any point in time I gotta go down. Where's that posted? Got Twelve minutes on come back to another podcast edge of extinction in the mouth below twelve minutes. Yeah let's see it's a little bit like edge of extinction at the mouth. We put that on our windbreakers. Yup It's going to be on the quote on the yeah. I need a new poll for my quote board. I think this might be like. Did you see any other similarities between Adam Klein and lily puppy dog lily? Bloom puppy dog. The handle Maher instamatic China for Matt Bloom Puppy Dog. I would say that you know I have a Yorkshire terrier who is usually one of the darker hypes and I could say that Adam was a Barky last episode with him feeling like like he's he was able to overstepped his boundaries a bit and he a lot and he got hot from this as opposed to the bar thing. When you get a sense of danger this was more so barking to like get. Someone's attention to get someone to do what you want them to do. And you know while I have gave my dog the nuggets that she so fiercely craves every time she barks at me they did not give them the votes that he needed. New Nuggets Louisville dog food and again we have these freeze dried chicken nuggets that she really likes so she eats them as well. We Really Pamper our dog. No longer needle teeth teeth got yes. That's sure I'll right okay. Okay okay okay all right. That's that's enough. Let's let's say puppy with that segment talking about puppies this week. I was really inspired by all of the well. I took away Greek mythology references so the SISYPHEAN task of having to go up and down the hill to get the logs the tribe members pulling the boat like a chariot of some sort. And then we talked about idols at tribal council. So I did for this week as I put together. Some lives Greek mythology style. But we're going to make them survivor Greek mythology. It'll work I promise before we reminded me with the The people pulling the boat like a chariot. Wasn't there an interview. John Kear hoffer where they said he was going to bring back classic challenges. Yeah I heard that but was this from anything any previous season. 'cause I don't remember this challenge whatsoever. Puzzle is that right. Yeah because Nick Walston land as we were reminded several times I don't remember the the challenges were the players. Were like sea lions dragging the boat and the next station. It was amazing. I don't know who had that idea because it was a new idea. 'cause I also do not remember it from previous survivor challenge but those really great. It was really great. It was really weird. Very weird a great. All right with your survivor. Greek myths. Okay all right. I was obsessed with Greek myths as a kid so I tried to write some of these from memory. So we'll see how it goes and I. We're just GONNA learn all about the Greek gods and then we're going to rewrite the Prometheus Myth Mitha so I don't know if any of you are familiar with Greek mythology and like really into it. I really into it in middle school I remember. It was one of the units that we studied and it was something that like really interested in the God of war games after those came out and I did not realize those were accurate. Got Me Interested in the Disney movie Hercules so a lot of like Greek mythology affiliated paraphernalia pop culture items that helped me sort of flesh out interpretations of these mets. Okay well hopefully you can add this to your list so we are going to be needing a lot of survivor players. So that's going to be a it's GonNa be something I ask for a lot just as an FYI. But I think let's keep it limited to the survivor players on this season. Okay because we're talking about our. It's all winners guys. It's all winners are. It's so Mike you'll start and I need a survivor from the. Let's go way. Let's go with our man Adam. Okay at I okay. I need a noun unknown. Oh my God I'm going to turn into what's her face from big brother person place or thing so should I pick a person and then have it only be survivors as every answer? Yeah Stapley so. She gets a maritime. This week Pekingese okay mic. I need a verb. Can't turn survivor players into verbs? So I'm going to go with. Belittle came Matt. I need a survivor player. Oh let's go with Michelle Fitzgerald. I need a survivor player. The Queen Sandra. Let's see she becomes the queen of the Gods? Sandra I need an animal. You know it. An animal is think so these things the survivor players eat. Sometimes be very specific and say a puppy dog. Yes you can't say about how Papa Dialogue. I need a another survivor. Let's go with him. Sad Lynn in sad land on. I need a noun. Ah We're going with another player. Let's go with Natalie Anderson okay. I need a body part. Ooh Go with tongue which I've heard real the edge of extinction of the mouth. Okay let's just move on from that. I I need a verb ending an L. Y. Don't end in L. Y. I mean a word and I might help we what what ends in L. Y. adverbs. I need an adverb that ends in L. Y. Thank you very much. Just taking my details. Mat L. Y. To the adjective describes things right. Yes I swear to God. I'm turning freaking out sweating a little bit like she was under something but she said it's been a while Lord. Okay all right okay. Let's go for an easier. How do you WANNA survivor? Because I'll tell you the player that's all I can be a survivor player. Matt that's all you need cursing survivor player. Okay and then I'll do the one. Yeah Let's go with Wendell Holland. I need if adverb and L. Y. Diddley yet the Lee and I need. I need another survivor player mad. We're still sticking to just this season. Who else is under season. You could pick other people at this point. How about Tina Wesson? Okay and I last thing I need is a noun. Mother took a survivor players. All righty let me adjust like in a few things because I have to repeat these names. Miss totally makes sense All right here we go. Here's our story of the survivor. Greek gods high atop Mount Olympus sat the survivor. God's Adam Klein sat on the highest thrown with the bucket of Denise. Stapley is beside him. Oh No it was lightning bolt and now denise stay only please I just imagine a bunch of little ones. Because he'll throw him later anyway okay on his right sat Michelle Fitzgerald his wife but Michelle's list how Michelle would feel about being slopped on a tribe with her husband that's right. I don't know very dramatic. Even Adam who was afraid of nothing eared her belittles of rage. One Day Adam was down on earth marrying immortal girl. Sandra when Michelle found out she stormed down to Earth but Adam had turned Sandra into a puppy. Dog Syndrome was puppies so she could join all her pomeranians. Adam Klein also had many children. Including Kim Spradlin the goddess of wisdom who is born out of atom climbs hung and Tino us in the God of Natalie Anderson. That's really trippy. Don't even know that works. But when the goddess of love had neither a mother Nora father he emerged naked from the mother off. Okay 'cause Aphrodite. The goddess of love emerged naked from the sea in this case Wendell Hall and had no mother or father but he emerged from stomach of the mother naked from above there. Maybe someone named mother and not his mother. Yes okay sure. Mother not his mother from a mother. Most of the time they all lived Italy together but sometimes Adam had to reach for his Denise Stapley is and the survivor Olympians would fall to order learning about the Greek God. My God my God's there's so much tax they're Adam ruling the roost. I mean. He's from playing puppy. Now is the big dog a though. He's typing his wife. Michelle Fitzgerald by marrying puppy dog. Sandra buckets it's denise stablise we'd all be much better off. I'll be calmer could I'll just have better life so I think that'd be good. You Throw Denise anybody you want to. Yeah if you get mad. I love the fact that atoms children include Kim Spradlin and Tina Wesson the god of Natalie Anderson. Let's let's unpack that. What does that mean exactly? Because I could see Natalie being the God of Tina Wesson because Tina came before Natalie. But what does Tina represent in terms of being the God of Natalie that means that Tina is on this season? Natalie is like when Natalie went on went out into the water in this episode. She was praying to God of Tina. Wesson right or did I get that backwards. I think it's back the Olympics. I think it's usually if the Olympians wanting a bountiful harvest pray to the meter so I guess if we want like bountiful Natalie Anderson. Airtime we pray to. Tina suggests that any have you seen Natalie? She's playing for herself and Tina. There's there Tina made onto this under the season. Natalie gets a fire token. Thank Tina Wesson. What we're saying which makes sense. They were both first of all star. Seasons Makes Sense a light my candle to Tina now because Natalie Anderson literally the only hope I have of getting anywhere close to the number of fire tokens expected. People would have so hold on my hope out there for Natalie. Sixty-nine Tokens though some possible. From the four hundred thousand four hundred nine from last week. Yeah four hundred and seven Ethan was gonNA get again. I don't know what I was thinking. You were picturing like Mario Party board where they just walk and collect them as they go every time you get to three spots ahead you pick up plus three and it doesn't seem to that just yet but maybe and then eventually we'll grab some item bags and those will be full of plus ten. I'm just excited. When they jump in they hit the brick to get to stop the die like they're going to miss the brick right if we're looking to sell tribe. Oh that's true. Yeah Denise misses the brick again Oh man. Somebody took a really bad fall on that. Was that nick who like hit the no it was a way. Adam Adam Adam. He has foot landed back on the balance beam and then he fell into the water. That was a rough man. Well I mean he is this. The highest thrones. You did survivor got he could survive it. Just put a couple of on that and he'll be okay all right one more story to rewrite and not as the myth of Prometheus stole fire for the humans on Earth. I saw this story right. The premier snuck into the vote tied camp late at night and there was no fire so he got ashes and then brought that back and the Gods said. Oh that's okay. Here's your right. Exactly he got help from Poseidon to put the Ash on his face to sneak into into the camp. Yes I remember that very well. It's a look into our version again. We're GONNA need some survivor players. So Mike hittings off with US survivor. Player let's go with the aforementioned Boston Rob Austin and Matt a survivor player. GotTa get the Queen Poverty. Shallow in here. The Queen Okay Mic. I need weather like a form of weather. Okay let's go with Hail Hail. I need an animal animal. We've got those. Let's let's keep it in the family. We'll go with the chickens chickens. Mike I need an animal. Let's keep it out of the family. And let's pterodactyl Terry Terry P. How do I spell PTERODACTYL? Whatever I mean. There's going to be a test and now there's a silent p. At the beginning I need a verb ending an I. N. G. and yes a verb okay. I got this This yes you're let's go with coughing like everybody's doing outside right now. I need a noun a tire air. I need another animal Let's go with a Lemur lemur Marion. I need an emotion. Ooh Let's go with. I don't know why I thought constipation. That's not an emotion. Run with it. What what it makes you emotional. I'm sure sure okay. I need a number number. Let's go with number two for our Danny Boat Raid Overrun extinction. I need a now. Let's go with calendar. I need a body part of those. Let's go with a appendix die. Tell you I don't have any more stories about like watching some show. I remember you watch like big brother. When you got your appendix taken out. I remember now those are real surreal experience because I had done. I think I had done like a forty forty Mile Bike. Ride or something. The before and Tokyo war refined token yes and we'd carry logs. It was very difficult and then I thought I was just sore and I continued being sore until I was very ill and then finally went to the hospital. And my appendix had ruptured. Oh my God those grows and so they took it out of me so I don't have an appendix so pretty cool and you can sign if you ever need it okay. Thanks yeah looking for an appendix train land appendix. Maybe it's important. I don't know I'm alive so All right I need an animal is up. Is this me I don't remember. I know you said appendix already given up. Okay let's go with a Orna towed or NATO. I don't know why I felt the need to say like that. All right. Read it like that. When you go through the tax I will do my best now. How do you write that? We're talking about the Adam. Kline one you put like right here. All wiggly okay. I have no idea what that means are fun. Wiggly wiggly okay. I'M GONNA use Pacifico as a fawns that seems to seems to look very wiggly. Okay or any towed okay. Let's read our story. Man's creator and his best friend was the Titan. Boston Rob Zeus had given Boston rob and his brother poverty. The task of repopulating the Earth Hail wipe out all of the living creatures. I shift Boston. Rob made all the people. Parv made all the animals but Boston. Rob Spelt bad for the humans. Because unlike chickens pterodactyls and the lemurs the coughing and the cold nights without for so okay very very period actors pterodactyls in chickens. Yes Very Free. So Boston rob decided to steal the mazing fire. No tire to keep them. Warm Winds Zeus. How close I was to fire when I said tire. When Zeus Aka Adam Klein found out he was so constipated. Did say this episode. He said I pooped my pants to Michelle when he got caught at tribal council. So I guess the opposite happened in this myth right so Adam. Klein chained up Boston rob to a large calendar to be punished for two years. Every a Horny toad. Is that what you said it quickly? Her earlier a Hor-. Okay swooped out of the sky and ate his appendix at Night Boston. Rob's appendix grew in new every day. The Hor- Neto returns and he was punished again V. and this is beautiful That was fun. Yeah over here with my bucket. Denise Stapley may money and watch a Horny toad boss. Rob's appendix personally swooped out of the sky and the chickens the PTERODACTYLS. Lemurs were fine. So they were they were you know they were plentiful in tires Boston. Rob Had to steal one for his people and yeah well and also you know. I feel chains my calendar. Some days am I right two years. At least yeah. That's not that's not. That's like a giant like two year planner. That's what he's chain to. Yes yes so. He can count down the days. Technically he was punished for you know all of time. But that's less fun. So Oh so you just made up the two years to limit I needed a number would be more fun couple years for now. You better stay here. That's right. Yeah that's apparently two years of getting your appendix eaten by a Horny. Toad is equivalent to stealing fire. The you know the crash the punishment has to fit the crime people. Okay now I like the crunch. -ment fits the prime. Yeah good we can. We can put that as our other slogan after a little bit of edge of extinction in the mouth of running room in this. Jack is just a big jacket. It's yeah it's a windbreaker on size. We're not made a money here. And I made a fire Jenkins Asia. Only one jacket travel headed the sister sister sister. I like that even better know these sisterhood of the traveling and we just passed the windbreaker around everybody so you know. What would the travel of this sister pants? Would it be completely opposite? The pants will be going on these journeys to Greece and Italy and they'd be passing humans around. Where like like? It's denise neat little tiny didn't stay please. Oh that's so cute. Oh man so I think I've done on a thank you. You brought up in two different phrases over the course of like two minutes. So I'm so happy. The credit did fit the prime here. It really did it really did I want. I'm excited for the jacket. Yeah I WANNA go back to the Tony Fall. Y'All thing because it made me realize that I think survivor needs more fake outs. You know like in basketball where you try to really make your opponent freak out and not the thing that they want to. Tony obviously pulled one out here where Adam was able to pull the key for quite some time. So Do you think we should institute this in challenges and or they're some methods that contestants can use to really fake out their opponents for cycle psych-out. That's the price. Yes do you know Mike from being out on set it? Can you hear them from the Saddam Bench hard? It would be to hear people yelling so I mean I. The chance that I went to did not have anyone on the bench. I think it depends is yelling at you. I mean nobody was yelling at me. I think that you sit out bench. I think it was actually pretty far away. I mean the bench in this challenge. Was that the final platform. So I mean you could hear Tony Yelling in the background of some shots with that. And maybe he's just a loud mouth but I feel like ordinarily since e pre merge challenges in general are very long. It's a little tougher to get yourself projected than maybe these smaller endurance challenges in the post merge Okay all right so let's assume that it's feasible to do it. Yes one hundred percent. Yes I'm in on the site coutts. I think it'd be really interesting. And it would be so fun. To See what creatively people would come up with like. Can you imagine just people heckling each other? I mean that's lovely. Yes I don't want to imagine it now the Tyson's Tyson's gotTa have the best ones up his sleeve That's true. Oh Man I would have been so funny. Maybe but maybe he'll do it like maybe edge of extinction like when the jury gets brought in for tribal council and they have one more challenge between you know all of them. Are you know two challenges? If they're if they're on they're still so what does it? What are the types of things? Do you think people would yell because Tony was? He was going for what he was just saying. Like fall like us just like yelling at them to fall right So I think you could get pretty creative with the things right. It's not just yelling. You know simple things you do something where like. Let's say you know Jeremy's about to jump and you're like Oh my God is that Val Collins and he'll like turn his head initially yes. Michelle's up on like a big. Is THAT AUBREY BRONCO COMING IN TO ENTER THE GAME? Yeah exactly like what's the worst nightmare and then just bring it up so they momentarily get startled just imagining now. L. What what's that. Oh like the thing that you do you you know you're very young. People might fall for it but it could work like you'll comes up like Oh my God. Is that the final two. Oh No I think at the also you have it where you know because they do the challenges like the puzzles right it kind of side by side. You could even have the people that are sitting out of the puzzle. You know obviously windows doing a great job being the coach Dad here but if you're sitting not really contributing much you know that could be your job right. Everybody has a role. Your job is to the other two you. Did you feel like wrong? No that's not right. Stop moving over there. Not your left your other left yelling out the wrong pieces. Who Was it? That was yelling. Numbers when did that happen? That happened. Remember that yeah no I I actually had that exact same thought that it was definitely during a challenge where they were supposed to remember numbers and there was someone who like yelling out a bunch of numbers so that they would get confused but I think it was when they were counting stuff. Yes sir sounds familiar from survivor. Now you're making really doubted. Its search like what am I going to Google like that reality? Tv show or the yell the number you never know. I've google much more embarrassing. Unity distraction yelling year. Yeah those are your key words. I liked like something else you could do because I will say. One of my favorite basketball psych outs was when they faked a cutting their finger off with a pair of needle nose pliers. Could you like fake an injury and like pretend that people will get interested to like drop everything and run over to you when really? It's a fake injury and everyone just finishes the challenge. I mean nobody seems to care with. Lauren passed out at the challenge season. Thirty eight so if that was a real injury and everyone was just kinda Still Chilin. I don't know if anything's going to change for fake one. Yeah that's true and Yeah I think it would be. I think people wouldn't care Tony be like Oh my God my hand and then just squirting offers Sandra own. My Gosh Kim back Dow would be instead of a clue to an idol or something under the sit out bench. You get fake blood packets. Distract me goodbye with your fire. Tokens fake blood. Yeah to distract people during challenges. Our they don't know maybe some fireworks. What else would distract people very large flags? Could you imagine a veteran? Air Horn that people could use on the bench. Yea Sprayer. I'm picturing when you go to Disney parks and they have water spray. You and certain attractions. You can have water spray on somebody from the top. Yeah waterguns What else could you do? And Yeah that would be really useful for water challenges. You could have like a bucket of sand you could dump onto somebody. You can have like a speaker on top of somebody's booth Christian Vicky playing the entire time that they're up there by talking. I'm sorry go back to the sand. The bucket of sand that you're GonNa dump on some sorry what I don't know why this image of like of like one of these endurance challenges. And then you get to walk by dump of Sand Upping your bucket on Mike. I mean if you're out there with these winners who are you going to go back to camp having dumped a bucket of sand. Don't man it really is like the edge of extinction than Merrill. Maybe it was like you know when Sophie Wanted Albert. The drop hist- actually want to do that and pour a bucket of sand over ozzy so he couldn't win the challenge. Imagine being the guy that dumped a bucket of sand on Kim Spradlin's head. I mean that's why she's so upset. Unseating the challenge that they dumped sand on her. Yes well you know. Let's raise money for. I don't know a disease. It'll be the sand bucket challenge. God that sounds terrible. Like at least it's over with Sandra just covered it. You know I'm like tasting my mouth. Yeah okay well. It's better than the glitter challenge. Maybe would it'd be an interesting way to like if you're at the end and you just like blow glitter into somebody's faces. They like come up or monopoly or something okay. Why don't think we want to harm them them out. I think this is going into very different. Territory listen sandbox. It is the perfect psychological warfare. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah it's not pocket sanded get sand forever. You take what you do is you take that glitter and you look through people's bags. If you find somebody that has an idol you cover the idol with glitter and that way you can tell everybody around the camp Maybe somehow Person who has glitter on their hands as the person as the idol. I how you can make that work. But we're going to try. That would be a good distraction. Actually if you instead the blood packets you say oh my God. Is this an extra vote? And then people start looking over and like. Oh my God wait a minute centers on an extra vote man but if you do have a glitter idle and you hit that in your crotch. That would be very interesting. Got Her crotch. Oh No please. Don't thrust that somebody to to use it to maximum effect glitter on TV. If they glitter on their face would use and be able to tell. I think you would. Maybe that's I mean it's definitely not going to be allowed on edge of extinction right. 'cause those extreme close ups you're gonNA see every nook and cranny. Oh Yes oh G G good did glitter for her outfit on. Ru Paul's drag race and you could see that but it was kind of hard to see but up close. Yeah I think you I think you could see it. He put her yeah. It's I think it's like the herpes of craft supplies. I think the joke. Get rid of it all right so. I think we come up with a good laundry list of things. I'd say book at a San might be the top one but I'm not you know before the horse but just say okay. Well how about this? How `bout buckets of Horny toads and you dump those out on people in Your Appendices Your Multiple Appendices the group. You know the collective appendix right right. Of course Yeah Right Talk. Pretty one like a survivor. Themed answer would be rice of course Right of course yes. I think I'll just try to replace all of my verbiage just as rice. No is what torch. Because it gets snuffed. Yeah a fire as we know represents your life so that's an easy one. I'll keep working on it all right. We'll create a whole survivor vernacular. Bnb secret language by the end of this podcast between that and the travel hooded the sister pants. We really just not a lot of new phrases. Go at odd traveled of the sister pants. Yeah Rice Rice. This is better podcast. This podcast has been a buy gas. We're nearly at the end. Let's talk about the question of the we wanted everyone to create their own version of an edge of extinction will review out from you. Guys a density has won. A rope is placed on when everyone is asleep. One end is in the camp and the other end is at the advantage. It covers the whole island and criss crosses over itself so many times that the only way to solve it by following the whole thing so spoilers for Australia and Survivor. There's one point where contested binded advantage. That is sort of attached to a yellow string. I very much thought this situation was going to happen and I kind of wish it did because I love this idea of like following this rope seemingly endlessly around the islands until it finally leads to you. Know whatever fire token. There's there yeah that would be really fun. And you can't just start randomly because you don't know if you're going in the right direction so like it would be really fun. And you have to leave breadcrumbs or something so that you don't get lost and get turned around and end up going back the way you came from home. My Gosh. Yeah. Could you imagine you let go of the rope for one second? You like crap action on like well might as well start all over again man. That's pretty torture is pretty much. The same. As having your appendix eaten by a Horny toad every night exactly the same. Lohan says very simple. Count the rungs on Tony's ladder to discover a combination. Well it'd be easy to break if you're trying to broker the ladder rung so that amber won't know the combination. Yeah I mean considering the fact that Tony's breaking ladder rungs all on his own. Don't think it needs help. There was meant to be like that. Thank you very much by design or breakaway ladder. So Muhammed has a bit of a like a tiered plan here. So there's a treasure box that needs to be unlocked by a number code. Each player will get a hint about the code. But you need at least three to figure it all left here. Are the rules one. You can persuade with words or fire tokens to have. Someone shared their hint with you to you. Can if you tell someone your hand can't tell you there's if everyone agrees to vote unit someone unanimously back into the game there. He becomes public knowledge. And after a certain time a player at random will lose the ability to get back into the game a can still win the treasure super interesting so there's like one big box in the middle of edge of extinction. Everyone has like one number of the code and they basically need to figure out how they can get the other numbers. Whatever minds of reminds me of those logic puzzles where you have the hints. And you the it's like the grid where you have you know you're trying to match everybody up am I. Okay yeah near the logic puzzle of like you have three different flavors of ice cream in three different people who ordered what is the fact. That Bradley doesn't like chocolate but Cecilia is in the mood for strawberry. Yes yes exactly. The the one I'm seeing here is is princesses kingdoms in sins. That sounds like fun logic. I'LL DUDE ALAN LATER. But yeah that's exactly. What because you need all the hints from all. The people were to clue was a much simpler analogy than the logic hustle that. I don't know what the name is that I screw is hidden for much less than fall in the kingdom. But that's what it sounds like to me a Mohammed also suggested. Install an arcade game where players have to reach a certain level to get the clue. The order is decided by a random draw but the game will be difficult enough. It will require multiple attempts to beat. What do we think about edge of extinction pacman thinking pinball like that survivor pinball There probably is a survivor pinball. There was a survivor slot machine. I don't know if it made. Its way into an all. Seems like something someone would have made at some point like in survivors. You know first couple seasons right. I guess the question is if you get a high score you get a clue if someone usurps hice board you got to like. Give the clue back. I don't think so. I think you just get the clue for forever but you have to put it in your initials and if you get the top score you could trick the other people by being like wait a minute. Net Natalie's initials are already in there. She already has that fire token when really it was Tyson. The time exactly always Adam clients initials easy to remember John. John gives a memory from the Dora. The explorer movie where you have to give a statue water to open up the treasurer up if you attempt to take it you fall into the lava says. Let's do the same thing but instead the lava you lose your fire tokens and bequeathed it to someone else. I'm glad John John Stayed away from the law. Because I don't know how I feel about people who don't solve the clue getting burned alive by lava. Yeah yeah that's a little rough very aggressive for Dora. The explorer movie billers Video Games. Were pretty intense. Rayleigh they I mean you have to have stakes. You have to have some kind of for the explorer. Yeah you gotTa have some kind of resolution some kind of a goal and you know things that stop you from getting there have you personally. I'm curious about this. You've Dora the explorer the video game. I don't know if I played Dora the explorer video game but a lot of those were pretty similar download. Pro You'd get at the library and then you give it to your dad of any somehow downloads it onto the computer and then Trying to think of states of like Dora leave kidnapped boots. And we're sending a finger one day at a time until you get here with that gold taken. It's taken the explorer adaptation version. Is that like emily? Anderson goes to try it and they say they have. Nadia held the island right. Oh my gosh. Speaking of Tha kid my God can vision shows. I just saw clip of pepe pig. Where pepe pig can't whistle? Have you guys seen this clip? Can't whistle and peppermint pig sad because she can't whistle and so she calls up the sheep her friend and she's like Oh. I can't whistle either. And then they're like yeah. We both can't whistle and then the sheets like wait. What whistling and the sheep whistles and pepe pig just cold stone hangs up the five like as soon as this is dead. Look on her face. It's so funny. Who IS WHO. Is the pepe pig of this season? That's all I know about the pig that on. Ooh I could see that I could see so the pepe pick of lifer also. There's four hundred twenty episodes of pepe pig. I always have a pig is a lovable cheeky. Little piggies you'd loveable but slightly bossy. They really like to say that she's level. I think they're trying to overcompensate for something that many times overcompensating for something. I mean. We'll leave it to the fans to fan cast survivor. Forty into the cast of pepe pig. Okay Yeah you do that. We gotTA suggestion from Parker. That wasn't necessarily about edge of extinction. But he has an idea for the equipment of the fire tokens which is to have the people from the edge of extinction sneak into the Camp Officers Sarah Style and slip the advantages to the player in their bag. Ooh Okay Yeah. That would be fun. I would add some new dynamic. I don't think people would be happy about it though because it would take away more More time from the game. But if it's sneaking around as long as Tony Helps you then. I think it'll be okay. Well I love this idea because imagine like you know. Oh there's there's rustling in the middle of the night like well maybe certain about get. Outta here survivor contest. It's like shoe. Keep infesting this cab. They can see each other eight from their beaches now. That's a new thing that we've we've discovered so there's the vantage point of of the purgatory of extinction from the DEKALB. Each Tyson literally wakes up. He's like Oh look see. See someone in your home. Very Sarah Palin I can see Alaska for Russia from my house. That was that was my feeling. Could you imagine like the arguments in the final tribal council debates like I know you know edge of extinction policy? Well I can see from my beach. That's right it's like I was there exactly so next week. We have the Sandra Bench that was coined this episode listed. It's all duck off okafor waters back yet. I'm pulling Ileana here. Water off a duck's back when poverty throws shaded Sandra Sandra Bench. We Love Sandra. We love the Sandra Bench but and made us think. Of what other things could you name after players from survivors past whether they be landmarks whether they be regular objects the world is Roy stor from that regard? And maybe he'll name someone after the oyster is. 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It was a blast like I said so excited to have a chance to talk about this season of survivor. It's been so much fun so far. It hasn't been fun so far because I've been watching a lot of my favorites Leave the game. But that's GONNA be the entire season So when all of a sudden done I do believe we'll end up looking back on it and of course having a lot A lot of great things to say about it but Along the way the ride that were going on right now has been conflicting You know to say the least so funds talk about it in Thanks again for having me so quite a journey. People WANNA keep up on your you playing puppy or basically talking about anything under the Sun with reality television. How people catch up with you on social media or checkout whatever else you're doing out there yes follow me on twitter at Matt Liguori. I will always be tweeden out anything that I have going on So if you have not been regularly checking out the power rankings that Mike brought up earlier Definitely do that. 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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 7 with Jessica McKenna

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 7 with Jessica McKenna

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You want to come behind this tree for a second. Oh, well, not for that type of proposition. But thank you, Mike. Yeah. I realized that soon as I said it much like survivor your words can get you in trouble, depending on the way you deliver things at. Yeah. By would I grabbed my stuff and walk straight to Ponderosa? If I said that in the game. Yeah. Right now, I quit. I'll pull a B's knee and just go home. But I promise I won't for you under the bus at tribal. Oh, that's good. See you you love me. But you don't have a funny way of showing it. Unlike elissa. Lita, but we are so happy to be joined for this very special merge episode by a star or Callo Kalo if you will in her own, right. You can check her out on the air wolf podcast off book and improvised musical podcast as well. As a slew of other podcasts out there in the general atmosphere, and she is a huge survivor fan in her own, right? Jess mckenna. Welcome to the BNB. How you doing my gosh? That was so good Kalo. Oh, man. I'm great. Thanks for having me. I I apologize. I didn't want to come off as too much of a know it all by knowing what Kalo Kalo means it carves? You're listening to this. And you haven't turned out yet. My apologies, man. Oh my gosh. I'm starting to get a little sensitive to like every woman being bossy or no at all. I was like guys just because like the language used for women in this episode was like. Even though I was like really girl. Well, before before we get into David versus Goliath. Jess, I would love if you wanna give for those who that might not know you just a basic intro on yourself. But also when you started watching survivor, and what has kept you invested in show. So many seasons. Yes. So I'm a actor and improviser in Los Angeles who has a podcast where my partner Zachary known, I plus guest and musicians improvise a brand new musical every week. And it's a lot of fun and it's called off book. And I watched survivor like when it first came out as like a child, and then I had years away from it. And I now for the life of me can't remember who was like, hey, you should get back into it. I want to say it might have been Mary Holland. Who's also like a podcast comedy person and actor in LA. And so now I've been watching the I would say I've watched the last ten seasons. Burton sat and watched the last ten seasons very intensely. Interesting. So you do recall any reason why you sort of like took that high eighties from it. I think I know sorry, go ahead. I think college in like probably not having TV in the same way. You know, like, my TV in college was like through the internet cable, you know, and it was like weird. And I used to like, you know, the only thing I would manage to like follow was just like torrent episodes of the office or sometimes it's like paying for it on IT. And because I had to see what was happening when Jim and Pam of other that that was like just a real drop off in TV watching and then. Similarly, I think just like a lot of people don't ever go back to having like full TV, you know, like a, but I might thankfully, my roommate in Los Angeles. We were just like to obsessed with it. So we're like will eat soup. But we'll have all TV. So I think it was kind of just like as my my TV access through. I was like handbag into survivor, and it was the best decision. I ever made. We'll that's it's funny because I think that's actually how I started watching big brother and survivor and other reality TV shows was because we didn't really have TV, and then I was in the hospital, and there was a TV, and I like stoned on pain meds. What my brother, and I was like, oh, this is awesome. Like medicine. I hope everything is okay. This is a pen to sign on my panics removed. But it was like, you know, ten years ago. Yeah. No, I'm I'm alive and fine. But yeah, no. I totally feel because you know, you almost like you watch it if it's on. But then you don't really have act if you don't have access to it. You know, it's like outta sight outta mind. So right. Yeah. And I guess I definitely didn't have like DVR Tibo. And I was and it wasn't yet where we had like who install or like so many streaming options. So it's just like, you know, as imperial of my life where I was just in general watching less TV, which was may be good. But. Survivor. I do like this winning combination as well of soup and survived for some reason. I just think those those pair really nicely. Yes. Like white rice Wednesday. And yes. It'd be able we have a friend on this network who likes to do she calls like Snapchat, which is like Snapchat, the foods that you're eating while you're watching survivor, but I think we need to do amendments have like soup chat. Like, what super are you eating right now? While you're watching this. That's a great idea. Happy for C chat. Anytime. Well, Liana what what soup would you compare to this merger episode of survivor how creamy and delicious was a man I would say it was it was definitely hardy. You know? I felt like a really solid episode. But it definitely had a little bit of a kick to it. I'm gonna go with broccoli cheddar. Villi really the type of soup that this episode just fully embodied anger. Great answer. Mid would it be ins because you know, I I have a group of friends that watches in Los Angeles on our Tex chain is the chain has spoken, and I. Like for some reason we hadn't done any group viewing yet until this week, which also Mike we've been talking about this for a little bit. I'm so like astonished and odd that it ended up being the merge episode. I feel so honored. Oh my gosh. What a joy. I mean. I am saddened that we didn't get you talking in time about the the 'nigma that is not only Mike. We'll get your thoughts on her recieving at some point. But yeah, just just having to work out that, you know, arguably the biggest episode even though ended up being really twelve to one vote had a lot of stuff going on hardy broccoli Chaz Leon. I think that broccoli cheddar is such a perfect answer. Because there was a moment where I was like, oh my gosh. Is this is about to be like this spiciest jambalaya? I've ever had is like Gabby finding her voice. No. But it was still a very classic episode where there was like at least good conversations. And so I think broccoli cheddar is like really perfect. And I don't know how you guys felt but I felt like the last two seasons were especially last season. We're just a disappointment in terms of game play. So it was just like oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. People like actually gonna make lose. They're actually going to talk about this in the right way. Instead of just like I have no idea what you're thinking. Laurel, you know, like so it was though it. Didn't end up being that spicy of an episode. I think it it showed the beginnings of a lot of promise. So I think hardy broccoli cheddar's. A really good answer. Okay. I have. So I have two things then thinking about so when I was a story that happened to me when I was little I'm tried to make soup like, but I didn't really know what was in soup. So I like boil some water, and I put them like carrots and stuff. And then I can't I don't like I don't even think I put like any like chicken Bouillon or anything and you basically made like hot Hamlin. Exactly. That's exactly what I made. I remember thinking it looked like soup. So it must be soup. Of course. I didn't try it. I made my stepdad eat it. Just like in my head. I remember being like, yeah. You had my soup, and I look back and like oh that poor man. Like at least I didn't poison him. So that was ghost island goes island. What I was thinking. Absolutely. We were all your stepdad forcing down soon for like dominant can win. Yeah. Like, they were good. Like, I wasn't mad about those carrots. It was just like this. They don't stand out when they're only surrounded by hot water. Exactly like, fundamentally the ingredients were fine. Exactly. Exactly. So I guess I can infer that you've been really liking all seven episodes. We've seen of David versus Goliath so far. Well, actually, what was it. What we were thoughts. I going into this because I the community generally sort of maligned the theme were you sort of on the same page of this season has exceeded those very low expectations at the beginning. And I think that a kind of goes to show that like sometimes less is more. You know, like ghost island was like such a hat on a hat on a hat, and it ended up just like all in flat. You know, like every time there it goes on when I was like what the heck is even when of this. And so may those stupid earns said starring no game for you. Or whatever it was just like this is pointless. But also, I don't like I mean, I don't mind when survivor self-referential, but that whole season is is like referencing itself. Anyway. So I thought David David and Goliath what I think is like a a little like weaker. But I also didn't mind it too bad. I don't like that. It felt like it had some like some of the physical realities of that split. I think was just like an annoying leg-up to the David to the Goliath rather. But. But, but I think the thing that was really afraid of it was like that the same thing what's going to happen as last season, which was like this arbitrary thing that you're put in for four days is now the only alliance you care about even though you might have like better connections and better like relationships with which to play. So it was like if these goliaths just like trampled. These David's this is gonna suck. But I think it's I've really enjoyed this season. I think there's like a big improvement in cash theme. Not that I thought like individually people were bad unless she's in her the season before it just like someone fell last season. Had too many babes like too many dislike good looking people who I was like, this is definitely just the future of their travel blog. I'm looking at you, Sebastian and Jen. Hey, do not do not despair. The great Sebastian Jenna of YouTube voice. Follow them on Instagram. I'm happy for their love. It just didn't seem. We'll be playing, you know, like, yeah. So I wasn't like particularly excited about an like using David's and glasses nouns. Also just felt like so weird. But but you know, David does win. So hopefully, I would like to see like an under underdog win. But I feel like people are so aware that that's such a good narrative, which is why they were like even though I'm not digging here. She was right to like point the light Christian because he's obviously has like the best story cooking so far in. It's kind of a shame that people know that like if you have a good story will probably win. So let's get them out. But that was Ramle Ramle answered yet. I'm liking it. I'm liking it. Listen, Ramle answers should be like, I don't know it should the invisible Texan as pot of the show of Ramle answers. Oh, I think that to that point. I mean, even you mentioned this Angelina is now painting Christian as a Goliath because you can tell they're even like warping, the narratives that they were given within their own tribe, and you see someone like Allison. Who's like? Yeah. Like working with Gabby because I'm not a Goliath. I'm David it seems like even from the beginning only a couple of people really wanted to buy into that Goliath title. But I think I listened to a secret seen this week where I forget who it was maybe it was Christian saying something on the lines of the advantage that the glides had in the pre merge is now going to be a disadvantage in that. Now, they're going to be the ones who really stick out. I don't know if he realized that he has unintentionally become a Goliath Leon Liana. Do you think that that's I mean, obviously, we'll talk more about the future and longevity and stuff elsewhere in this podcast? But I mean, do you think that that holds true that? These are just going to completely reverse on things. Now in that good wires down just going to be such big targets above the David. Why think it's complicated because yes, the goliaths pretentiously physically stand out as bigger targets. But to sort of go back, just what you're talking about is, you know, this idea of being a you can't be taken to the end because you already have this good narrative. And so even Angelina in her lot her her argument was like we can't let them get to the end 'cause he's gonna win. And I feel like the David's because they have that good story are also going to be targeted for that reason. So I think I think it really could go either way, and we talk a lot about, oh, you know, the theme of the season, whatever they're still in Fiji's. They're going to have to keep coming up with these themes. That's fine. But I always think it's interesting how it might actually play a role in the season and people that sort of pick up and soak up the narrative and then start to incorporate that into their game play. I mean that could be them just using this common language. Also that could be the language that the producers are. Picking for the confessionals. But, but it's interesting to hear that people are still thinking along David and Goliath lines not just the tribal lunch, but also sort of as this metaphor for a certain type of person. So let's move on into our usual fare, you're on the beam be I'm sure we will get plenty more talk about this briefly cheddar of an episode of the podcast. We're going to start here with our traditional segment the time capsule prediction, so to explain to you. Jessica sort of reset the clock for anyone who might not remember before the season Liana, and I each wrote down specific predictions as to how each person in the cast would do, and we sealed it up as to not reveal it until that person got voted out. So unfortunately, poor miss Elizabeth Olsen. Our resident lizard person. Don, her cowboy hat for the last time in Fiji before she becomes a member of the jury and so- Leon, and I are going to unveil our preseason predictions that we made for Elizabeth respectively. Just as the third guest. You are the arbiter of our fates you going to determine who has the more accurate prediction now before we get into this. I want to ask you since you have this. Group of friends that you sort of consort with periodically for survivor. Do you guys do any like drafts winner picks before the season anything like that? No. But we maybe we should actually used to be even though I wasn't watching it. My mom used to deal with her friends and one time, and I was just like would pick a player randomly, and then not watch it. Because again, this is in my like dark when I went to Arkansas reviver, and I won one with. Which is I think probably annoying, but. No, we don't I'd done it for bachelor and bachelorette before and then I found that sometimes like took a little bit of the fun away. But a random winner strap. I think we'll be fun. You guys do that. When you watch. I mean besides for the pod I'm in. I'm definitely in a couple of drafts that I do. And then I do. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun. And then I do this one thing. It's called foot office pools. If anybody is interested contact me, it's super fun, and essentially it's just like season-long competition where we like put points on who's going home. And we try to like make predictions of the episode very intricate, and it's so much fun. But yeah. The more intricate ones, I think are more fun. Like when I did like a bachelor at one where you could get points for like how many times year person would like say like can I steal you first second or like that kind of stuff you get additional points rather than just like players. I this is fun. But anyway, I think he had drafts her fun. I haven't done one per survivor. Maybe I'll look into it for next season. Well, Liana let's let's go to you here to start with missile is a bit. How did you think she would do preseason? She definitely her personality. Stuck out like a sore? Thumb. Did you feel like that would fare well or poorly for her? Okay. So I decided to use AI to help write my predictions this season. And so while I want to answer your question. Mike. I also had to say. Delicious dig into it. So I did have Elizabeth making the jury, and this is what I slash my predictive. I wrote Elizabeth biggest strength and the game was I laurel even trustworthy so naturally. Others wanted her as part of their alliance come the merge. However, Jeremy, Elizabeth loyal even trustworthy behavior wasn't directed towards him. In a daring move, Jeremy convince the rest of the tribe to voter out because of her smiling positive. Smiling. Positive clam personality would be enough to win her the million dollars. Although Elizabeth takes the blindside well in her exit interview, she complains about Jeremy stating he noodle people. Josh. Don't know what that means. But that was the thing. I would say the syntax actually worked pretty well there until she called her a clam. Yeah. Also think if you substitute of Carl in there for Jeremy that's actually pretty accurate as to one what's happening at the Meryl Streep close, just let's go at that. Yeah. Sure. That's definitely what happened. I just missed Carl. Exactly. Did was a little bit of a misnomer on your point. I mean in her exit press, she actually was she did go pretty hard in on Carl from what she talked what you talk with me about. She was like I wanted to throw these challenges when I was on YouTube. I don't think Karl understood what that meant. So it's clear that she is. I think she really did love everyone. But clearly no love lost for Carl. So let let's see how mind compares I had Elizabeth making the finale theory bullish on the woman who likes to wrangle bulls in her spare time, I said that Elizabeth will have at least one confessional complaining about her. Try members not working. I said that I guess I said she'd make the family visit because I said, she'll be hysterical mess when her husband visits he'll be surprisingly stoic because he doesn't like the show. And I said at one point she'll throw her hat down in anger or ecstasy. Like a gold rush prospector. And then what we also did was we each would be the person's worst enemy and closest ally. I can only assume Leon it. The worst enemy was Jeremy your Elizabeth had their her closest ally being coral and her worst enemy being devilish Davies. Okay. Yeah. I had I had worst enemy is Jeremy I'd closest allies Larisa. So I was to my right on that one. Yeah. Absolutely. That's actually might be one of you were accurate predictions. So I'll leave the decision up to Ms McKenna, who do you think the more accurate prediction, definitely the robot? I think she is kind of a clam person. Nobody thinks that that that. I think you're right. If you swapped in Carl for Jeremy, that's basically perfectly accurate, although I do love your hat specifics. Mike Joe points for that. Although I don't. I I think also like. That really her. It must be right because people are too tired, and like out of it to put on too, much persona. But I was like Billy cheese turning it up a little bit. Maybe she's not like what you mean when she was on the show like, yes. The hamming it up to the cameras or something. Yeah. I think he would if I were on survivor. I think I would know especially now I feel like every so many people who are on it have watched. And so they kind of know like, okay care these types of characters do well. And that like cowboy. You know, hard-working solves the earth is an archetype of the show. So it felt like she knew what she is doing a little bit. I think, but that might also I think that that's her for sure I just wonder if there's like a little bit turned up of like, well, I know I'll keep this cowboy hat on. And that way because I think you know, when you're out there, you're starving, and your you can't sleep. And I think it kind of does that naturally. Leah urine. Be she's moving around doing it on purpose. But you just like you become your raw self out there and everything seems heightened so I think probably most likely the case. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess to refer to that. It's it's more like it is her, but it's like a very amplified ver-. Exactly. Yeah. Basically holding a megaphone up to your soul. Now, we're like you won't they won't typically act like this in real life. But it's like it's like a more exaggerated version of like who they are as per. Exactly. Yeah. I saw still thinking about the gold rush like year. She could have done that you're talking about when she was exalting about the squirrel hunting with the slingshot. She could why did she throw her head on the air? Come on. Yeah. We had we had one tenth of this cast owns cowboy hats, and we have yet to see that. So hopefully, Carl will come through. Maybe he was just writing for Elizabeth to go. So he could hog all the cowboy hat attention. Maybe that's the secret reason why he dislikes her. Yeah. Cowboy hat envy like there can only be one. There's only one room archetype here. Exactly. Well, just before we move further and tro, usual stuff, did you have any any stuff? You wanted to discuss particularly top of mind about the episode. Whether it's about the season survivor in general, no thought. I was impressed with Alec saving Christian. This this episode whether or not he like that was that big of a move or not, you know, it's hard to tell me at it. I thought like when he switched in when he flipped crew. Did he flip on what's her name again Natalia? Yeah. When he's gonna tell you I was like that was very dumb. And so I was like maybe this guy is not a good player. And maybe he isn't. I think like still up in the air on on Alec. But the fact that he's already looking now on how to vote not just Goliath but knew you should go with Goliath for while. I was like, okay. Okay. There's some there's some stuff there that I was like more impressed with and then. Yeah. Just enjoying is such. She's good TV. But I'm also like, oh, man. How long can you ask? And also, I feel like you should drop everything when someone's on their their walkout of tribal. The fact that she said you weird way of showing it is just like I don't care for that. Like that. You know, you're. It's like super emotion. I know that tribals also weighed longer than what we see. But it was just sort of like. Yeah. I don't care for that. Elizabeth was super emotional and was like clawing and fighting for her spot as she should like Gabby said, even though Gaby girl hold it together. Please. Oh, no. She's it's been dropped multiple times. This is like a broken vase scotch tape together that should just keeps dropping every single. She's holding onto. No, it's so crushing. She's also like killing it in challenges. She's really good. I'm like Gabby. I wish you could see yourself how ICU Gabby and how Christian sees you like, you're you're fine. I mean, when she was in that I forget all the smaller tribe names when she was in that tribe. She's certainly would have been voted out before Christians. I understand why she was nervous. But you gotta just go cry by yourself in this game. You know, like, and then crying Elizabeth's be have to vote for her. Yeah. I I'm I'm really curious by by Gabby. But yeah, I'm loving this season. And I don't know if it's just like if it's actually amazing. I think it's like chew soon to tell. But it's off to such a better start than go silent. I'm just I'm just so can at all up. My my favorite part about Gabby and crying was her like emotional or the super dramatic like I when she wipes the tears away. So good. It's like flinging them up this fast. Like, maybe we won't notice which even a triple counseling we saw. But of angry games we had like build the Lewis black taking over from the Phyllis Smith Bedwar. She's like when know enjoyed is like all they're doing is. Because they're on the bottom. And of course, why would we not do that? I agree. Yeah. I love. No. I'm with you. I loved it. And I think I think she has the like like we said before she has like the ingredients for a good player just like blast season had like being greediest rugged season. So I'm kind of like hoping she can like butterfly out of this cocoon a little bit. Because when she was like, we should really lip on Angelina people get them to. I was like, yes. Yes. Gabbay? But I also think maybe that move is to moves away. You know? So. Yeah. And then to the seasons of art Christian. I thought he was going to be just like a one dimensional. I couldn't believe they had like put this poor person to be like made fun of. And he is one. He's amazing. I love him. I love him so much to episodes ago, and he talked about like working on himself to be better at making friends. I like almost cry. She's she's such an invigorating character. And I feel like productions having so much fun with them as well. You saw it in the first episode at the time last we get it this episode as well, we're mid confessional. He knocks over a piece of wood in the middle of his flagrant hand moving. And you would think that like usually that's like on the cutting room floor like take two of a confessional. But they kept in the prolonged experience of him prompting the would back pounding it into the sand. And then just continuing on. I I liked it. I liked that thirty seven seasons. And even though you talked about how sort of self right, parental last season was this is in the leading the strings of been more. Maybe that was unintentionally spurred by the fact that we saw pats medevac when during a time and cameras are usually off. But I don't know I'm liking to see I like to see how the sausage gets made before it gets sliced up and fed to John Morris. And get those macro 's. Get those Machias. Oh my gosh. Clearly, there should have been something hidden at that feast. Right. Oh, yeah. So so I would love to talk about that. 'cause we I tweeted about this. I think it's been a big question. I think the leading theory at this point. And this was expertly spotted and tweeted by the great DJ Lebel Kline. So the picture on the little placard, right? Had this nice vista of this cliff and a bird in a tree in these like lovely sonoma's colors of. But if you look at a scene leader on a shot later on in the episode is in the foreground, and in the background is a poem tree bent looking exactly the same way as the tree in that picture was a chance that there's something hidden under that tree though. I totally agree. I was flummoxed as you at the time when I'm like, okay. Gabby didn't find anything does. This mean that there's something there that we're going to finally in on doesn't mean that we're just showing that Gabby still paranoid. Like she was back in. So too. It seems like at least my hope is that this is going to come up sometime in the future much like a year ago during a triple h when the clue there was the the advantage no in the bundle of nails with the new camp. And we saw that in the merge episode. But it didn't actually come out. So this is hopefully checkoffs Placker. I assume because we did hold on it long enough. And I and I felt like this episode. The narration was turning us away from like, oh Gabby paranoia. Even though that was her justification. I feel like we were starting to get set up. My prediction is Zack Gabby will last longer because I feel like the edit is trying to like show us that she is more than just like a crying sidekick to Christian. So I was like, okay. I feel like we're definitely this definitely is something that we just missed right now. I don't think they would have held on it as long, but yeah, I think I think that this this season and this episode in particular had a lot of foreshadowing, and so I think that the idol clue. Just one, but they're just Angelenos foreshadowing. I mean, her whole story was insane. Like, she starts at the very beginning saying in military warfare. You don't tell your allies when we're you're gonna strike right goes. And then tells you know, Elizabeth that they're gonna vote or out also when she's complaining about Alex. She says seemed like a careless and emotional move. And she emotionally tells Elizabeth later like there was so much about it. And then also I caught this on my rewatch super subtle. But so Christian when he's talking about the Alec alliance that Alec is putting together and he calls it for strangling. Yes. Exactly. I call it a strike force. Then later Alec is talking to Allison about Inge Alina lot of aims and Haluk says Angelina keeps talking about no, you're strikeforce. No, you're strikeforce like, well, if I got I don't know like what is causing what? But like super exciting. So I don't know if like you take her out, and so, you know, like strike for is like that would be. Cool. It's going to be reading too much into it. But I know this stuff goes together. I think you're right. I caught that too. And I think in the like ridiculous, but like sort of helped whole naming trend that that is started. I'm like May-. Yeah. Maybe this is just like a an edit like where we missed the part where they like someone names them, strike course, you know, given and that might even be like a little coated like jab at Angelina an I think that that's six that combo six. I'm see I really hope that works out. I think that's like a fun dynamic alliance. Yeah. Yeah. Seemingly little little random. I guess because we knew the David side of things, right? Mean you the sort of weird love triangle of strategy. That's going on with Gabby, Nick and Christian. I'm surprised that a Nick decided to work with Gabby considering operation throat. Gabby under the bus that happened after the Jessica vote. But yet the the unlike Alison, Mike connected. Maybe it's because we didn't see that much on Goliath proper outside of the Jeremy and Natalie of it all that we really knew what all the other sub connections that were going on. But that was sort of a weird triad that came together. But yeah, you'd have to assume especially now that, you know, once the David start going and might actually become not completely dissimilar from ghost island where they're like. Okay. Let's get rid of all the Melillo people. And then we'll keep Jonathan and Lorraine because they're working with us. I could see something where like, then the strikeforce will truly sort of dismantle the Goliath. Yeah. From within the I I love the fact that that Angelina miss military could be taken out by some strike. Exactly, I think that I think I can see how else and Mike would gravitate towards each other. I think they seem the most similar on the Goliath tribe to me there's a lot of like. Jacked up, bro. He energy in in the glass that I could feel how Mike and Alison would be drawn to each other. And then I think Alec has really again, this is like is Alica. Very good player episode for me, I think like very smartly positioning himself as a swing between like hot hung side of Goliath, and like intellectual side of Goliath. So I think like him being able to play both like I'm friends with the Brose. And also, I'm friends with like the screenwriter and the doctor is like pretty smart positioning on his part or it's just completely random, and I'm like wrong that allergies like trying to read more into it than there. This episode. I thought and so I was like, okay. Okay. 'cause that Natalia flip. I thought was like a little carpet for the horse. So I was like this guy that was like cart before the horse. You just put a couple of planks of wood inference build a card face completely illogical. And I totally agree that I did a complete one eighty like knows diagnose turn of the surfboard when Alec was able to not only put to go to this alliance. But like he acknowledged the fact he's like I am playing a lot of people right now. And I realized that I shouldn't be showing my cards right now. I think it is understated. How good is socially. He is. Because I think we're sort of or overshadowed by the big dumb moves. He was making the obvious twenty days. But this this could be a turn for Alec, right? When he needs it the most. Yeah, I think so. And I think yeah, I think that six is super exciting. I would root for that six big time. So the Mike white also said during this episode, I need a soil taste stat stat. Is used by doctors, obviously him an Allison. Who's a doctor must be best friends. Totally is. I like those flat with with mayor of lamb down. It was the funniest right? Was Nick him or Dan. You need to be so thankful everyday that Mike white is there. I like this idea though, that like the we should be detecting things like the mole style. We're like, oh there was this big alliance. The entire time making coded references. And we didn't realize it. But I like that this this is like they're playing they seem to be playing both sides of. Okay, it's dumb to break up the Goliath numbers right now. This is too early. But also I wanna play who I wanna play with which is what last season was missing so desperately. And so I think like I this was a very was such a broccoli cheddar. Not that not that like atypical, but immensely satisfying like, Yep. Yep. Okay. Great. On the right track. I did take a BuzzFeed quiz. What type of super you? I got clam chowder. I didn't know how to do it. What type of soup with the survivor episode? They didn't have that quiz. But not yet. Plus feeds a community. So somebody take it take it on your shoulders by that quiz half. Mike clam chowder. She's her eyes at Elizabeth was a clam person who own my God is this like a stent thing more. We're getting connections. Now that honest so connects to the they're in the lines together got you guys. And I have a cat named clam. You're a clam person. The most of us know. Oh, man. Okay. Well, actually, speaking of predicting things entered bureau, what type of soup you are. So I have prepared a game that I would like us to play. It's we call it Shambo. And it's our version of the game mash so mansion apartment shack house where essentially you like predict what happens in your life. But we're going to do predict what would happen if the two of you were to play survivor, right? So jambo stands for I still haven't figured it out. But something along the liquor third time's up for for us through full three hundred sixty five days. I still have yet to figure out the like shelter hidden immunity idol like alliance merge, be Babu. Bob, Crowley, and then ocean. I don't know. Anyway. Okay. So the way this is gonna work is we'll we'll start with Mike with you. And then Jessica will play out your game. So I have a different categories. So I'm just gonna have you list four of different items. And then we'll we'll play the game. We'll see how it goes. So the first thing I'm going to need from you. Mike are four movie titles. Okay. Let's go with snow dogs. Okay. Let's go with the bridges of Madison County. Okay. Let's go with the patriot. Okay. And howls moving castle. I love that movie. All right. Four toys that you had as a kid. Ooh, Nickelodeon Gak. Okay. Let's see. GI Joe did you actually have a GI Joe as a kid? No. Did you have toys, Mike? Is there something that you need to? I mean, I guess I could if I didn't wanna say most of my toys were like markers, but didn't want to say marker that would sound marker is one of. Telecomms some sort of like weirdly, like, I don't know. I was like I I lived in a closet and just drew with markers all day thinking about the world sheltered from society. At least you weren't the sniffing them. That's a step up. Well, I mean. Centene markers a reason behind them. They just might not have been that safer children at the time. I will say. No, I'm thinking sponge. Really one of your choices a child. Every time. I think to the glory would be so terrible for you. It's such a struggle. Okay. How no this is should this better than therapy. I should be paying usually. It's what I'm here for. Okay. How about four breakfast foods? Now, Mike have you had wreck focused before this is a I mean marker. I put down the gen. Just took a big of a market if I miss the breakfast one day. Oh, yeah. Let's go with some nice eggos. Okay. Let's go with some scrapple. Scrapple? Yes. Like, it's a weird. Like, I think it's a landmark region type of thing. It's like an on mishmash of meets in one square, Patty. It's very odd thing. But I eat it a lot in college because there were no other better options. Let's go with a nice omelet. Let's go with some kick cereal. Okay. Lastly four objects that start with 'em. Markers? Let's see I have a better chance of markers making my way into my survivor game. Let's go with mattress. Okay. Let's go with make up. And let's go with masquerade mask. Okay. All right. So mike. We are going to find out if you are on this season. What would be Knicks nickname for your alliance? Why are you being targeted by Angelina? Why you got into a fight or what food you got into a fight with Lisa about for improper storage, and your Natalie napalm, esque nickname, and then you have a four potential fates in the game you either get medevac before the first tribal after writing back to camp on a tux. You may jury but announced your relationship with Kara on Instagram and God banned from the finale. You got an underdog edit from a David to Goliath, but you were out in the fire making challenges, the rob g dot ally. You were voted out preacher by Angelina. Okay. Okay. So the way this is gonna work is I'm going to start drawing a spiral. And then you just tell me when to stop. And then this is all very technical. Details of something serious. We'll figure out your game and survivors. So are you using a marker to do this? I should I will I have one right here. Okay. Are you? Okay. With a purple sharpie. That's not my favorite. But you know, what? I'll it will suffice. All right. All right here, we go. All right. Tell me when to stop. Stop. Okay. Give me a moment. And I will figure out your feet and the game. No problem. What we're doing that? Just I have a question for you. I know that we actually talked about this before we got on air. I know you mentioned Mary Holland before. I know you had Beth appel on your podcast once upon a time to talk about survivor is this just like a show that randomly pops up in the comedy community at least within your circles because I've experienced this in my life as well just within like acquaintances where when people here, I'm covering survivor there like oh my God. I've been watching that show forever that just happened. You know, is there something about the show that you feel naturally draws people in this community together. Yeah. I think you know, I think that the that reality is a big guilty pleasure for a lot of people and survivor doesn't feel guilty. You know, because it's like this is to put myself on a pedestal. It feels like the thinking person's reality because it's strategy. And it's game. It's not like. As it's not as. Appeal is not as much like watching people be a behaved poorly. Which is I think what a lot of reality TV is. It's a little bit more like watching people like overcome something and day, something cool. And I yeah, I feel like it possible. Lot people are people are into it. Also, there's like. I've done to ask cats which are like a this flagship improv show at UC be that prices since brigade and we've had Zeke men Hannah do monologues before. So I think there's also just like crossover multiple ways. I subbed a class where student was like, hey, I do these like survivor events in like, I know you like survivor is this guy does like amateur survivor weakens, which I. Know about until he was like, yeah, we did like ten challenges day and all I had was an apple and. And Sandra was there. I was like oh my gosh. So I even though I consider myself a pretty big survivor fan. I also know that they're like incredible depths to this fan. And I just think it's like I never feel guilty about watching survivor. You know, it feels like the salad of reality. Tv. I don't it doesn't like hurt my stomach. I don't regret it. I don't think. Oh, why did I waste my time? Doing that. I'm like, yeah. This is great. This is a great. Oh my gosh. I need you to come to my next family gathering when I tell my because I tell you it like, yeah. So yeah. And I'm plus don't still podcasting about survivor like reality TV, but like. Guys. It's like the salad of reality. TV is. Okay. All right. So Mike I have determined how you would fair if you were to play in this season of survivor, you ready to hear it. Oh, yeah. Okay. You have teamed up with Nick, and you call your alliance the snow dogs. Absolutely. I feel like that's only appropriate in that Cuba Gooding junior is whipping us both along to I it would have been funnier the the the bridges of Madison County, but yeah, that would that would imply a lot the young Mr. Wilson blue eyes them, I say, okay. So also you were targeted by Angelina because she wanted your sponge. You got into a fight with Lisa about improperly stored scrapple. You also your nickname was mattress. Mike. Ooh, that's Madison County with them. Now. Home natalie. Yes. And unfortunately, you were voted out pre jury, but you refuse to give up your sponge to Angelina damn, right? That's my sponge, I need to play with it. Right. And then you were holding it in your final confessional. I don't I don't give him my sponge because I didn't want to exactly why should I? All right. Okay. Well, so, unfortunately, you're voted up retiree. Let's see just if you can do any better. So we're going to do a similar thing. But I've different categories for you. So all right. We will start I need four band names. Okay. We FOX's okay. Blink one eighty two. Ooh. Flogging. Molly. And the new pornographers, okay? Four professions. Dentist chauffeur? In furniture maker a. I'm a statistician. Okay. And then four former survivor players, okay. Cochran. Okay. Joe? Tie. And. Laurel redemption? Mention island. Okay. And finally, four emojis. Okay. Heart is okay. Okay. Sunglasses. The like e you know, the like gritted teeth all the way across okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. And. Money is. Okay. Yeah. That's one right. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we are going to find out Knicks nickname for your alliance. Great what your position would be in slammed town. Your nemesis in the season because Pat was medically evacuated. And in this fake version, a former player comes back to play in place. And also you had your big break on this season of survivor, and so Mike white is actually going to cast you for emoji movie too. So we're going to find out what character you're gonna play. Finally, your fate in the game so blindsided by your nemesis winner of the season misplayed, the idol nullify or because I still don't really understand how you're even supposed to play that thing correctly. But went home next week and beloved fan favorite. But did not make the jury. So went out preaching great. Okay. So I'm going to do this viral thing again, I will use a pen not a marker. So just tell me when to tell me when to stop. Perfect. All right. Give me a minute. All right. So while she's doing that. I would love to you. You brought up the mayor of slam town before if we're talking about, you know, exaggerated personalities, I think that you would think on paper he's one to do that just because that's sort of his career whatever your thoughts been about John this season. I, you know, gosh, you find yourself doing this. Where like you would watch the show, but you also know watch the show enough where you are watching for the edit. Yes. Screw you guys. You that big time. So I think is like I don't I don't really let myself get attached. Or have opinions about people who we barely see because I'm like, well, they're not important, which you know, I think he's like he's had fun moments broach watchos and all that. But he's really ultimately like kinda light in the edit. He certainly lighter compared to Dan. And I don't see them. I don't see. I don't foresee any like giant moves coming from him. So I don't know. I feel like probably, you know, the someone they're going to start flushing Dan's idols out. But I feel like maybe John will be a little earlier to go. So I feel like I haven't really paid much mind because he's a little like lighter. I think he's like fun in fine. I don't really have. It's crazy to have a medium opinion of someone who declared themselves the mayor of slam town. But. But I'm a little bit in that boat where I'm like, well, I mean, he certainly in the it. He's not not in it. You know, but like who are poor Carlin Davey who are just so so like, and and really Allison has been pretty light too. So I don't know. He's I think he's pretty fun casting. He's more interesting than than some like. Beefy beefy, boys. We've had before. And I really liked his treatment of Christian. So I think that that that sort of belies like a sweetness in the mayor's heart. Yeah. I think that he he honestly might be one of the most like Ernest people honestly can't think of like a duplicitous move. He's made so far which is crazy because again, like he's in a career that's based on heels, and like his role is go down to Mexico, and I'm this big villainous American. It's crates. Maybe he purposely left that behind on the island. But he seems like such I don't know seems like such a teddy bear. Yeah. Almost to see that different side of him. Maybe it's just because we were expecting something to see something. So different really impressed me though. I do agree. I think when it comes to like a personality perspective, he's had fun moments. But also part of that might be voices when they first broke into those three tribes. He's like, I don't do well in small social situation. Sweet. I mean. Yeah, I think he's I think he doesn't like strike me as particularly strong player. But. But but I don't think like, I certainly like have liked what I've seen of him as as a person even though I think Dan is like needs to chill out a little bit. Just tell yourself here. Awesome. Just keep telling you over your and like, I was like oh boy. Them walking away from the beach when Angelenos like take let's take out Christian being like this breaks, my heart. It's like this is pretty sweet, honestly as dorky as the broach. Rod show is they're they're like honest love for Christian makes me really like them. And it's like, it makes me like John More the Dan because Dan in has been, you know, the the way he likes stormed the just his he's a little hot-headed. Like super Pissy like when he found out that his name came up. Like, Elizabeth was throwing his out there is like throwing this hissy fit and cars, just like this is how the game is played just so you have to idols you're definitely going to show her. Yeah. It's like getting mad that their name is tossed out at all. And just like well. What do you think you're really? Oh, okay. Well, Dan is at least based on. This prediction not involved in your game. However when you played. Nick. Your alliance. Name is the new pornographers. So I'm such a percent. Sure conversation occurred to get that nickname. Now. I know he's you know, the Rockstars and the thorough blood Brad's or sort of like the Matic. So again. You know, the easier imagination we most love Meco case. I'm sure that's what it is. Yeah. Okay. So then you are going to be the chauffeur John Hennigan calls you the chauffeur of slam town at right? Yes. Because Pat was medevac tie came in to take his place. My sis. We feel see is gonna hey. I love chickens, and I'm not one hundred percent, sure. Which one of us the David and which ones the Goliath and the situation the Goliath. Oh my gosh. That guy is fighting player. And then let's see a Mike white is gonna cast you as the gritted teeth emoji for movie too. So I think I think there's a lot to learn about this character. Like why why is there so gritted? So we could we could uncover that. And then for your fate in the game, you misplayed the I don't know the fire. Unfortunately, went home the next week. No once you played in this play, the I dunno fired you made that gritted teeth face, and that inspired money. NC it. Visualized you as an emoji. Now, it all it's all connected. All right. Well, congratulations. Both of you. I guess thank you. Yeah. I mean, it's just an honor to play the game. That's right absolutely competitive sponge as well. I really really. Markers came out. But he may I have your sponge. Hey, Mike, Mike your son's lease. It's just it's so it's so dry out here. And right now, I just run naturally dry. So I need to have a sponge. My gosh. Memeber? So. Well, so I wanna move on and talk a bit about what we spoke a bit about all these characters. But one of the things that I've really loved about this merge episode in particular are that so many people's names came up particularly much much, Dan, chagrin. But I feel like this is the most Representative we've had an awhile of like hell the merge actually works where there are thirteen people. I'm assuming thirteen Factoria Christian. There are so many names being thrown out there. But we got Elizabeth name out throwing out there. We've got Alex for little bit. We had Angelina we had Christian. We had Dan Elizabeth left. But what I would love to sort of prognosticate with you too. Is of the four other people who were on the chopping block at some point this episode between Alec Angelina Christian, and Dan, let's see if we can rank the four of them based on what we think they're longevity. So number one would be who's we think is going to go the farthest of the four down to number four. We think is pretty much in hot water immediately. Liana? What what are you thinking between this motley quarter? All right. Well, I think I'm going to start with the one that stands out to be the most. And that's Dan because he's got to idols. Now, he could do something stupid with them. But I think that since he has to idols he'll be pretty safe for a while. Also, the fact that he was being targeted by Elizabeth who is now gone. So you know, that threat is removed. So I really feel like, Dan, probably what was those order one is the the steam the longest one. Yeah. Exactly. I give Dan number one. No. That was bad. I take that back. I don't want that sound clip being pulled. Dan, was oh my God damn was so annoying on this episode. I was just Ari really. I'm getting riled up. Emotionally. Like, Dan was just like sit don't walk away from this podcast, please. I'm just on my God. What some of this? I gotta pull myself up. Hold on. I'll be back all day baby all day. We'll just just you agree with Leon is can we can we cumulatively slot in Dan number one here in terms of longevity? No, I mean, the two idols for sure, but I feel like as soon as they start to turn on guys. They're going to pick off his first one really quickly that second one will be more troublesome. But I think they'll flush that first one early and as he feels that he is if he catches wind of not being in the six he may use it to save his show Mance or his his bromance. Showman's? So I don't know. I think everyone's going to be gunning for him. But also, I think he's beatable in final in the final three. So turn wine. Yeah. Like, I don't think he'll win, you know. And I think I think Christian might be destined for the four spot. Yeah. Because he's too. He's too likable. He's very, Dave. David. He is David David. You know, and yeah, he's the David David. And he's the goliaths David. So I don't know. I yeah. Any Dan has really good odds? But I feel like they've made us fall in love with Christian for a reason. So, but I'll I'll can see Dan number one. I think I think Angelina. All right. I just I really think he Angelenos days are numbered in terms. Has number four like chiseled into her forehead at this point in terms of this rank? Yeah, I think so all right Angelinos for them because they make it like criminal might be. Then the next one. But I think the strikeforce will protective at least a little bit whereas Angelina just feels like dead woman walking. And I think that this is not a point where because I have since going around and like oh Angelina between jacket gate end this absolutely cannot win the game. And that may be true. But I don't think anyone sort of has a sense at this point when they're twelve people left of who they want to sit next to in the final three, and you'd have to feel like, you know, in theory, you would want to take her to the end. But like, I think it's just too early to decide that you want her to sit next to you. And it's also a long game ahead of you. And she's not necessarily ago. She's a very active goat in that. She's like, I'm the one making the move. So it's that she can't win jury votes. But also she's trying to make moves even though she can't necessarily get the jury votes from those movies, she's off climbing those mountains. That grass very active goat very active goat when my husband has rejoined survivor even later than I have and he he came back in. And he was like, oh my gosh. Just to get to give you a snapshot of how out of touch on the game. He is. He was like, well, wait why more people like Ken? He was so good at fishing. I was like oh my God. Morgan, it's more. You would have been one of us forget and heels versus like, you don't understand how the game has changed in of all no, one cares about fishing. He's like oh always liked that part of the game. I was like Morgan. It's a new dawn new game. God. That's okay. We might have to contact your husband. So we do this other game sometimes called Casuals corner. Where I go to the survivor Facebook page, and I pull comments so I actually had somebody sent me a couple of this week. And they're just like that. I mean, it's they're so great. So this was Stevenson me. This the quote was Ashley reminds me of selene Dion. Who's adage that has so many who is actually what maybe it's Alison Salim Dion. I e that that I think I could see it too. So anyway, just to give you an idea. So yeah, I might might tap on that resource. I mean, I I did hear faint strings of my heart will go on it. She reigned approach to hug him after winning immunity. That's why he could kill. I would say that so evangelism before and Dan's number one. I put Alec number two. Now, there is a chance that if strikeforce gets outed Alec will be promptly on the chopping block because he's the one who congregated everybody, but I really do feel like his bonds with everyone is severely understated so much though that I I think it's gonna be a while before he gets caught. I don't know if he's going to win necessarily. But I feel like nobody is looking at him at this point. And that's essentially what you want to be in a position of. Yeah. He's yeah. You know? Well, you guys have already I've already spoken on high feel about Alec in this episode where there's like the glimmer of he I mean, if he can turn on people in a way where they're like damn good move and not like FU he would be dominant. You know, like if he can make those flips where he doesn't hurt too many feelings of and he can articulate that. Well in the jury, I mean, I think he could really be. A big threat. And it's interesting you bring that up because I was thinking about, you know, Talia him flipping on Italian and really Angelina. It was the only one who seemed to be upset about it. Like, we didn't really get to hear navy other goal is to me. Like, man. I can't believe he did that. So I don't know if that's because they didn't like Natalia. And so they were okay with that. Or you know, he was able to do it in such a way that didn't really rub people the wrong way. Now, you know, how does Natale you feel? I don't know. But it doesn't matter. She's not on the jury. And I think I think also because he was the first one to get rid of Goliath number where they still had numbers. And then I think that's why you know, Mike had to vote had to make that layer so vote he couldn't be responsible for two. Two blows to the numbers. But I think because Alec was I it was certainly like a little crack, but it didn't hurt their overall play. So I think it's a really really forgivable move. But especially if he could explain it now, I think the explanation is she was Boston. I didn't like it. So I think that's not great. And he should not say that. But, but yeah, I I don't know. I don't think anyone's gunning for Alex. So he might he might actually be the two spot with Chris number three. But Angelina definitely number four. I like it. I like it because we got the bread work down the sandwich, the fix instinct to sort of be arranged. Yeah. Well, we can we'll we'll we'll we'll put it like a little toothpick in that for right now. She's taking in that club sandwich and not the toothpick Davey had sticking out of his mouth, the only impact debut had on this episode was the piece of what he was chewing on garnering a lot of comparisons to Wendell. Can you eat scrap apple on a sandwich? I don't recommend anyone eats scrapple period. But I suppose you can in any sort of form, I'm intrigued by this odd mishmash of meat. Gonna play. This would be. I know. That's very me. All right. Sorry. I got distracted. I'm back on track. All right. Well, let's move on to our next game here. So this is something that we brought over actually from when Leon and I did our big brother BNB over the summer. Jess you are someone who week in week out comes up with lyrics on the fly for a myriad of songs. And over the years. There have been survivor players who have put out their own songs either before or after their time on the show. So we're going to see if you were sense of lyricism general way with words is going to is to sink going to sync up here in this game to take on. Don't forget the lyrics called police. Forget the Leary and to how here's how it's going to work. I'm going to talk about a song from survivor player, and I'm going to read a set of Lear leaks in which were Tippett strategically blanked out. And I'll give you four choices as to what word fills in that. Blink. We'll go back and forth about this. This. And if you just correctly, you get a point if you don't you get nothing, and we'll see at the end of this. I have several songs to go through. So we'll see at the end of this who has the most survivor recall knowledge when it comes to their work. There was either inspired by or perhaps spurned from survive. It. Let's start with something pertinent. I don't know if you guys know this. But because John Hennigan is a wrestler. He has an entrance thing. And so John Heineken recorded a song a couple years ago. I wanna say called welcome to slam, of course. So Liana we'll start with you. So I'll read this question again, I'll blackout lyric. I'll give you four choices for to fill in there. And you have to guess you have to guess what John Hennigan wrote, basically since I'm assuming he wrote these lyrics, by the way, it wasn't selene. Dion co wrote the no it was not it was not ghost written by Jeon. Unfortunately in the booth, and I we'll say check out the welcome to slam video if you haven't yet, it's John Hennigan in the booth playing an accordion of oceanic and an upright bass, it's bananas meets the. Play all of them at the same time still. Now, he's he's he's been a big day in the recording studio just laying down all those tracks. But here we go. So this is some of Mr. Hennigan's lyrics. This is my world. It's my blank, you're all just here to entertain. Hey domain be lane. See plane de refrain. I like domain I feel like he would say something like that. You are on the money. This is my world. It's my domain. You're here to entertain were. You're all just here to enter a we are to entertain him. John realizes how wrestling works when he wrote this song. Be entertained. Well. Okay. You know, what he plays the accordion that's more than I can do so them. Maybe he just doesn't like the the past participle of it. All he doesn't like the passive voice. He's a good writer like that. Just let's move onto you. I'm what you're waiting for the way. I'm what you're waiting for the one to bring the war be. I'm what you're waiting for the American Lucia door. Well, see I'm what you're waiting for the one to shake your core. D I'm what you're waiting for the pain convenience store. Oh my gosh. Mike, the fact that three of these are from your brain is very impressive. I love them. All he what these are wild. One to one to bring the war American Lucia door one to shake your core and pain convenience store. Okay. Like I wanted to be Kane convenience store, so bad. But like, I don't think that that like matches with the mayor slam town. I know I think it's probably like the simplest. So I I think I'm gonna say shake your core. Unfortunately, the American Lucci. Yeah. I kinda thought that would be like he would come up with that later. Yeah. It's good. That's great. Good job. Mike. He was he was he was branding it to begin with the I too wish he'd call themselves the pain convenience store. Maybe unfortunately that was not on the stars. See the little collars. Good. All right. Let's move on here. So Liana John Finnegan ends. Welcome to slam town with just a symbol remark. Welcome to slam town of blank. Hey, welcome to slam town compadres be welcome to slam town animals. See welcome to slam town bitches de welcome to slam town broach os. Crab. Okay. Well, I mean, I wanted to be broach Agios because of the references and all that. But I don't think it is. I feel like he would say compadres. So I'm going to go with a no, unfortunately, very uncouth. John hannigan. Welcome to slam town business, which is like felt like bitches if not Roach odd shows, I was I was sad about it. Fitches and its license are contrast to John Hennigan, very proper this episode like hopefully, we can say what the the liars we fight it out in the end like good, gentlemen. And ladies he's very on the island. I don't know what's going on. Here is seeing some rude. Maybe that's the the slam town it's on their sign. Like, welcome to slam town bitches population one thousand. What I'm picturing? That's the slogan at a town. Welcome to slim down business. All right. Let's move on here from John Hennigan. Let's leave. The ring. Let's move on to another survivor alumni Baylor. Wilson is a country artists from survivor San Juan del source. She played with her mom. Missy a lot has been to do about her stall her songs sticky situation back in twenty four team. And actually last week. She came up with a new song praying for rain, which I feel like is very insensitive considering the season, they don't need more radio or so blue on you. But look, let's see if you guys the grout what Baylor's talking about in this song. So Jeff will start with you. You know, better, you know, better than this. There's no right side of the wrong guys plank. Hey, there's no, right. Song of the wrong. Guys, fight be there's no right side of the wrong guys bed. See there's no right side of the wrong. Guys, bite de there's no right side of the wrong guys. Head. Yikes girl. Whatever the lyric, are you? Okay. There's no right side of the wrong guys bed. That is correct. Yes. I guess it's a take on waking up on the wrong side of the bed. Yeah. Let's pretty clever. So I did look. Okay. So now, we're done with the John Hennigan song. I looked at the video. I haven't listened to the song yet. But I just wanna point out that he's shirtless in the recording studio playing or these instruments and he's wearing sunglasses. So I just thought that that was very important detail that everyone should know you sweat a lot when you play the accordion. It's really the work of workmen's is. Yeah. I mean, he's really going to town the drums. So. Yeah. You work up quite a sweat. It makes sense. It's just responsible recording. Yeah. Do you think at the reunion instead of instead of having the houseman they just have like the John Hennigan experience him on? I'll be. That'd be so great. All right Liana. Let's go to the chorus here praying for rail. This one has to blinks when you lay on the track. Don't blame the train when you play with blank don't curse the blank. Hey when you play with fire don't curse the flame. Be when you play with athletes don't curse the game. See when you play with arrows don't curse the aim de. When you play with pictures don't curse the frame. Oh, man. Okay. Well, I because all right. The first thing I thought of before even read the answers was fire. So I'm gonna go with fire and flame. Yes. That is very I don't know if this is intentional survivor take you lay on the track. And don't blame the train when you play with fire don't curse the foot. I also thought it could be rain. But like now that's our next song. Apparently, she was very insensitive about so I don't know. I kind of wish it was when you play with pictures don't curse. When you play with a ehre, don't blame crispy. Listen, I have so much fun with these. But I can never tell for good it there. There's no pain convenience store rotate. Comedian store. All right. Just we're going back to you here. When you blink at the sun. And a storm comes don't complain when you're praying praying for rain, hey, when you take a look up at the sun be when you stick your tongue out at sea. When you throw your hands up at the sun de when you shake your fist up at the sun. I just got the Simpsons old, man. Yells at cloud Joan girl yells at sun. That is so weird. A weird one. Gosh. Can you can I hear the whole thing again? Like, no, just the beginning prompt when you blank at the sun and storm comes don't complain when you're praying praying for rain. I guess shake your fist up at the sun. That is correct. You come on girl. Oh my God. The things we want to go like yell at the wind. I mean, that's what the David and glides could have done to deal with the storm. Right. Just yellow. Well, I don't know if John Morrison yelled at the storm like maybe it would go it'd be like. Yeah. You're not welcoming slammed down even though I set it. All right. Let's move on. Let's say on the country trail, though, a little bit dirt path with chase rice. Arguably one of the most successful musical alumni from survivor runner-up of survivor. Nicaragua turn this into a country superstar career, this is one of his first songs called ready set. Roll we all number starting with you here damn pretty girl. You went and done it, again, you've gone and turns your blank all the way up to ten a cuteness be smile. See short shorts de sexy you've gone and turns your blink all the way up to ten. You turn your sexy up to ten. Okay. Don't answer that question. Mike. Okay. I'm gonna go with smile. I'm sorry in quantifiable. Okay. Well, maybe I should listen to the song. And then I'll figure it out. Yeah. I mean spit complimentary of these young woman say she's gone and turned her sexy all the way up to ten and you're sangha, but eleven. That's really what you did. The sexiness is not cool the way to eleven for time soon. All right, Jeff, we're getting back to you here. Gordon? The chorus ready set. Let's roll ready sent let's ride get your blank on the step shimmy up inside he aches. Get your sixty smile on the step. Be get your legs for days on the step. What see get your little fine ass on the step. See get your cute white pumps on the set. If you like feminism just took a step back. Yeah. Didn't they don't step on the step? Then. Oh my gosh. And wriggle up inside shimmy up in sunny inside. Graphic? I mean, what the heck is he talking about? Gosh, I linked for days. No. It was a little fine ass. Sure. It makes sense considering these complementary how much her sexy has been turned out. Of course, you want to get your little, finance and my pickup truck. Oh is there a truck? Maybe a truck involved. I think so. Okay. Okay. So much. Is about like Bernie talking about burning down the town and like cruising through the night. Now, I guess I guess he's talking about a truck. He's not outwardly referencing it. Thanks. Sexy up to ten. I would like if you say he said, get your get your legs for days lags for days. All right. Leon ever going back though? Now I made a deal with blank he's gonna put in some overtime. We've got all night ready set. Let's Red Devil. Hey, I made a deal with the man on the mood. Be I made a deal with the man down south, which could be the devil. See I made a deal with the man with the clock. D I made a deal with the men in the car. Sorry. I'm still thinking about manuals at sun. So man. It's just it's all it's all conflicting together. Can you read the the the the intro lyric part? I again, I made a deal with blank he's gonna put in some overtime. We've got all night ready set. Let's write as much as I hate this. I think it's the man with the clock on the. The man on the moon. I'll my guy 'cause I was like, okay. All right. Well, my logic behind that answer was it's gonna be something stupid. So man with the clock and time. The first thing I thought of actually when writing that was the small song for the last five years. Yes. Shout out Jason Robert Brown. Just imagine like shapes rise begging his like little folksy Jewish accent unlimited time. Yeah. We're also talking with the man in the car that could have been another option as well. Are. Well, let's let's go super old school for this next one Mitchell Olson was a contestant from survivor the Australian outback and he was a bit of a song. Stor. He wrote a parody song to I will survive called back from the outback we consider this the very first one off in survivor existence. So here are a few lyrics from Mitchell Olson's owed to his time to the tune of was Gloria gainer, I think so let's go to you hear Jess I'd work. I worked out a crafty plan. And I thought I'd firmly. Locked my fate till some blank man sent my ass. Right back to the states or hey, tears till some bearded cooking man, send my ass right to the states plea till some gourmet Baker man sent my ass right to the states see till some smiling dimpled man semi ass right to the states de till some lie. Buying Texan man semi asks. Right to the states, Ryan Texan. I'm sorry. It was gourmet Baker come on which. Yeah. Mitchelson might provide it his own trick answer here. Because I believe he was referring to the one and only Keith was not a Baker. He did not make any pastries the Australia, so funny. Okay. Great lyric. Nice. Sam by. It was like, okay, we could talk you'll be talking about. 'cause there's only so many terms I could come up with for Keith the nuns garnered that many comparison. So I throw a couple of Kobe ones in there. Yeah. I was like that's one of the only things I remember about that season. I was like probably I guess. All right Liana going back to you. Lord knows. I tried. We doubled tied and with my allies jumping sides. We'll hey, I knew my blank. Hey. Well, hey, I knew my game head died. Be will. Hey, I knew my chances were denied see will. Hey, I knew my rice was fried de. Well, hey, I knew my mom would cry. Oh, that's a sad. Oh god. I don't know. I'll go beat. I'm sorry. It was see I would rice with fried. All right. All right. Definitely thought you wrote that one. But. Mitchelson? I very symbiotic. I have come for these nonsense declared. All right. Let's move on here. Back to you. Jess, I couldn't gather would like blank I couldn't blank. So the first one is going to be the name of somebody. The last lyrics are going to be something that rhymes with their name. So hey, I couldn't gather would like Colby. I couldn't eat rice. When it's moldy be. I couldn't gather would like Keith. I couldn't hold my lower teeth. See I couldn't gather would like, Jerry. I couldn't lift a bucket to carry d I couldn't gather would like Tina I couldn't help from being Meena. We begin. I couldn't gather with like Keith. I couldn't hold my lower teeth. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna go with Tina, Nina. I'm sorry was Keith I couldn't would like hold my lower teeth. That latter part is a reference to Maryland mad dog Hershey who had dentures that she took out periodically heights. Okay. Real real really get into the the the grains of the fried rice survivor. The Australian peck reference Slough. And does it. Yeah. We should get the survivor historians to play this stat. Mike, can you make that up? Oh, I'm Paulsen would as this no matter what what was let's jump to something modern here. Everyone's favorite from two seasons ago, Devon Pinto fences himself a bit of a musician. This is a song I found of him jamming with a couple of its friends called smile worthwhile. Now Liana lists with you. It's just I I had no idea that he wrote music. So the road music all use air quotes. I'm very excited. This is not a song. Here we go. I met this girl. I'm telling you a smile for all the world just one blank at a time. Hey, just one inch at a time. Be just one whip at a time. See just one step at a time d just one tooth at a time. Oh, no. Well, I don't know does she turn her sexy. Up to ten. Okay. I'll go a step. I'm sorry. It was just one two at a time because the smile. Okay. Well, I thought it was creepy though. So all right. Is it not creepy now that it's to know it is creepy too. So I thought it wouldn't be that. You never know. Maybe Devonshire maybe even has like a night. John Hennigan has a different identity when he's writing music, maybe Devon's like a secret creeper in his songs. Okay. I'll keep that in mind for the next question are just let's see if you could you could keep that in mind right to see whether or not this interest creepy. I never heard a voice so gentle. And sweet. Yeah. I never heard such blank coming from a woman's teeth. Hey, I say never heard such. I've never heard such beauty coming from a woman's teeth. Be I never heard such poetry coming from a woman's teeth. See I never heard such vibrations coming from a woman's teeth. D I never heard such symphonies coming from a woman's teeth. Oh, gosh. Poetry. I'm sorry. It was the creepiest answer vibrations. Definitely creepiest answer. Wow. I almost mold that answer. Because I was like well smile is the name of the Brian Wilson album and goodbye brations of. You're doing like the Mike in this insane in this insane topsy turvy leered game. These I like this that maybe this was a take on pet shop boy, but it's just all focused on teeth. God only knows what you'd be without t-. There's this homey, so many things it can fill. Dentist's office, boys. All right. Let's move on to this. Last one little luckily, littlest creepy. Little more lascivious Whitney Dunkin friend of RHA p who was on survivor, South Pacific was also a country singer. She wrote her own song for going onto the show called skinny dipping. Liana? Let's start with you dirt road in his old truck lined with blank down that old beach bent. Hey, dirt road in his old truck line with honeysuckle be dirt road in his old truck lined with magnolia see dirt road in his old truck line with hydrangea de dirt wrote in his old truck lined with Goldenrod. I like to imagine you like googling plants did just that. Oh, man. I dunno magnolias. Sorry was honeysuckle or. Yeah. Of course. Yup. Should shit on that one that she does love to suckle her Honey? So he was only appropriate. All right. Just mom onto you here. This is actually talking about the skinny dipping proper. Okay. Took off all our clothes through them in the bushes. Mud between our toes lake. Hey, mud between our toes. Playful pushes be mud between our toes bear white tushes, see mud between our toes. Love by the bushel de mud between our toes. Grassless nature's cushion there white Touche's yet. I think it's unnecessary through your clothes in the bushes, though. Right. I gotta go get them out of the bushes. Yeah. That's that's not integral to skinny dipping when you're carefree and in love because you know, it's good natures floor will serve. Well. I wouldn't know that either things. She even punctuates bear whites. Which is with the Lord after it. I guess just to sorta like forgive the more conservative audience for saying, I'm sorry. I talked about my bare white fish. Then. Well, congratulations. I think everyone sort of one here. But I believe you squeaked it out by a nose to. And I think you really want Mike. I had listen this some of the most when I have what these games are just writing nonsensical rhyming phrases. So I I truly enjoy this. And I hope you enjoyed playing it as much as I had Ryan. Yeah. That was really the the opposite of a pain convenience. It was lovely. Oh, man. Okay. Well, actually, okay. So so speaking of like music, I noticed that there were a lot of interesting music and sound effects. I feel like I'm this episode. Like, I don't know if you guys caught it. But at the very beginning when the merge is happening. There's it's like Irish jig song. I don't know if they got flogging Molly to come in and play the song. But I was really taken by the clanging during the challenge. And also how Jeff Probst was so enamored by the the clanging. He said Carl clanging Alec clanging Elizabeth now clanging so he couldn't get that claim which is apparently the dinner bell at tribal council sound out of my head. But it made me think we need more sound effects on survivor. So I think we got brainstorm some sound effects that we could use. And then pitch this to the producers for them to edit it. So for example, I liked the buoying that sound effects needs to be used. I just don't know how I think if like they do the blindfold challenge and somebody walks into something that they use the buoying. Yeah. Okay. Good. I'm trying to think of other ones because I feel like this. I don't know if it could be meaningful does it mean something? Like, it doesn't have to represent the dinner bell at tribal council, but just having more sound effects like the the whistle. Or what's the you know, what I'm talking about slot, Sylvia? Yes. Five whistle sound. I don't know where that can be used. But I think this is something that they could tap into. I feel like every time someone like we talked about the advantage at the feast every time someone like walks by an idol or an advantage. They should use that slide. Whistle. You know, this is where you should be looking or to the sad trombone. Like that should have played the whole time Kayla was sitting next to that advantage. Like just like every time we cut back to her. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Also, just like the Instagram of some of the super zooms. You know, we could get those involved that would really play. I think I would just every time we finish on Christian. Good. Yeah. Especially as I the. They're also if somebody is like. You know hiding in the bushes. And then they kinda like pop up into a conversation. You do the like doorbell sound effect like Inc. Pop back down the door slams like it's like eight you log in or also some just like a multi Cam live audience when they go to like be role of a snake in the grass, you could just have like a bunch of people laughing or like. Every dannon. Carson you have a live. I like. Oh, man or okay. Or the record scratched sound like somebody says something awkward, then you just play. Or or Jeff says this is not an idle earn. Yeah, they make that face or like. Yeah. When when Angelina or when Elizabeth turns and it's like, you know, guess what Angelina told me then Dan has that like face. He that's exactly what you play. I think it's perfect. I think you could put probably put farts in there at some point. Just at some point. That's why. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know where but I'm sure we can work that in what are others just on that sound effects. Oh, the boom, boom ch-. I don't know what to call that like the snare drum. Yeah. Very John Hennigan half the rate at after somebody. So like the factory hills joke, you know. You know, when I can't remember his Danner, John who has like, yeah. I was gonna say that to do. Two. Should we should we put the Wilhelm scream in there somewhere? This every time Natalie was bossing somewhat around. Yeah. Because that's what that's what everyone was thinking. Yes. Oh, the jaw you can put it in your going to branch out a little bit. You feel like the jaws in there. Like, the psycho music. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Edit re editing survivor later need survivor, Foley, not to be confused with Dan Foley. But someone needs to like put in these sound effects after the phone. Yes. This idea. Okay. All right. Yeah. Good job gang. I think we have some some good ideas. Mike's I suppose included. And mine was also. Bless your heart. Mike, you also came up with ideas, or let's move on to our final segment of each and every week on the BNB the question of the week last week question of the week nickname a survivor contestant. Mike white style up by referring to them with a new movie or TV show, I love when did with Christian and big bang theory. So we'll read out some answers at the listeners gave and then we'll see if any of us have some answers here. Jonathan Troyer said I would refer to Kris noble as of blue mountain state. Even though the character. He's most like dad castle is in the main character. Oh my God. I love a blue mountain state and Thad was hands down my favorite, and I couldn't take him serious or whatever the actor's name is. He like, I think he's in. He's in. Crap the hunger games movies, and I just couldn't take him seriously. Because all I could think about was that great answer. All right. We have a survivor swapped has quite a few Natalie. Cole would be called. God is a woman. Philip shepherd. Would it be Pink Panther Angelina would be frozen and Chelsea slash purple? Kelly would be hidden guest. What are okay? So I don't have young children. So I don't know the names of the characters from frozen, but the year not to have kids to know frozen. Just have to have love in your cultural juggernaut. Yeah. Ana Elsa Ola. Yeah. Okay. Elsa. Okay. All right. I think those are other names that you could call Angelina. Maybe that's a little disturbing to her as yes, Parker Schindler says a slap a hat on John Cochran, and you get linguini from ratatouille. Very very good, which I'm which I'm totally I mean, I have garnered that comparison as well. So I am more than happy for Cochran tonight to be sort of side by side here at the chef's station. It's linguini comparison. The like linguini meets, mclovin. That means that what you're referring. Mike, actually, I saw. Okay. So I saw a TV ad the other day it was four sling. And there was a guy who looked like you. And I tried to take a picture, but I didn't. And now, I'm telling you this story, and it doesn't matter. But was it was it was was it Paul Rusk because Paul Russ comparisons. Frequently. So I don't know if it was hey, I don't know. I'll try to find it was for sling. I remembered that okay? I'll try Alec right? I'm sling man base ring to it. All right here. We go dancing, then ski says Angelina as girls the Lena Dunham show, it wouldn't it be nice to call her girl. But I think the poor Pertile ization makes it okay? Yes. Well, as long as she doesn't turn her sexy up to ten I can't get over that lyric. I'm sorry. It's it's brilliant from Mr. rice, Mr. fried rice, John John says Natalie Cole should be compared to Medina from Tyler Perry. John John poor form here. John, john. History. Though. I mean, Tyler Perry. Also is connected to the survivor universe at Larson. Maybe it's not maybe if what if not only was the Tyler Perry character. That'd be a great reveal. It's all tied in written by Mike white collaborate elaborate project, but Tyler Perry and Mike white. And finally, actually speaking of my wife, Sean Kelly says Mike white is the human embodiment of droopy the dog since even when he shows excitement or emotion. He has this weird subdued attitude about him. That's a really good one. I like that one. Because I totally see it. Do you owe? He would also have the those let those sound effects behind him. Like do do do. Or like or like a tuba? Yeah. No, no, the the, okay, I sound effects. Yeah. Yeah. If you if you want to get into the booth with John Hennigan to know, your brand yet Cuba's more like. Yeah. That's better. All right. So do we have any ideas in terms of nicknames? We wanted to give survivor contestants. I had one for bass. I think could call him pineapple express. Oh, yeah. Very good. But that's a good one. I had one for Christian instead of big bang theory. I thought of him as Mark from rent in a different university. With the sweater to. Yeah. Totally work. You can imagine being like Penn in on Roger he's looking at an equation, which balances the terms of gravity. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that Mike white would also just play on Cochran being Cochran and would call him something like a you have to admit he's pretty legit. You know, like a cocker Johnny Cochran s grime. Mom, and I think I think the else in this season. So far is private practice. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's not dominant enough for to be like ER, Grey's anatomy. So she has been a, but like pretty good. Oh, man. You could name all doctors on the lake 'cause there's so many medical dramas, right? Yeah. You could name like all doctors on the show. Your will mic from survivor Samoa actually, gave him the nickname mic dreamy because he's sort of resembled Patrick Dempsey. So yeah, there could be another podcast where you just take every doctor that's ever been on survivor and assign them nickname based on television character. All right. Oh pencil that down for next week. That'll be our something redo next week. If we have the time so the question of the week four next week, we talked about this with Dan. But if you were playing survivor, what pep talk would you try to give yourself during a child is it as grounded as your the man just keep doing this is more of a motivational speech? You know, everyone has sort of has a different motivators. So you all out there can let us know your answers in a myriad of ways. You can always tweeted at us using hashtag RHA P A B and B you can respond to the post on bright house, website dot com. You can post in rob has awesome. Patrons group. You can post it on Reddit. You could Email it to us our H AP BNB at gmaiLcom many resources to call together next week. We'll try to talk through your own motivational phrases with our guest leader Berle minute talking through the final twelve of survivor, David versus Goliath. Jess, thank you. So so much for coming on. This really was a lot of fun. I felt like I've just seen so much delicious soup over their hours and. It's I'm I'm full for even more. Thank you so much for having me. This was this was like a delicious tomato bisque with like a gourmet grilled cheese on the side on our rainy day where I didn't even have to pray for the rain. No, you don't shake your fist up at the selling. Never would. And I never would know. Thank you so much. This was really fun. So just if people want to check out off book, how can people a follow you and social media and find the lovely lovely stuff that you and Zakar putting out there every week. Thanks so much. Yeah. Off book listener every listen to podcasts, and I'm Jessore McKenna on Twitter ingest. Jess McCain on Instagram. Sorry. They're not the same. You guys. Just starry about it. And yeah off book, and then you can also check out visiting the just dot com, which is like Zach night we pre existed as a musical deal before the podcast, and it has like a link for live dates book live, which is a pretty fun way to like make friends. Listen to the podcast. I guess we have like we've had a pretty good contract record of people like bringing people who didn't know the podcast live shows. Yeah. I know you had one of my favorite podcasts. Travis McElroy on. Off book last week. So if you guys want to check out the back catalogue of off book, it's a super fun podcast, you're into this sort of random silliness, we put out there. I feel like off book is definitely in that territory. And you have so many fun guests onto just come up with a musical on the spot over the course of our about literally anything see Travis are laid step. So it was really fun. And there is a survivor podcast as you mentioned before with or there's survivor themed episode where it's obvious that Beth, and I love it and Zach has never seen it, and it might be behind the pay wall right now. But. By now. But it was that the Pels episode it's called like surviving hunger. Something lost games. I don't know. It was some sort of insane mash up, but Beth and I were like trying to drop in survivor specifics that Jack just could not pick up, but. Yeah. That's another good entry episode of Europe survivor fan dig real quick between human Zach who do you think would you better on like a blood versus water type season. Would you vote them out? Gosh god. Yeah. I definitely would because we would like, you know, be chill about like splitting the money and using it to like further our our own real lives. I mean, I think I would do better in the game because I know it better. And I think, but I think I think Zach would be good at the game. I mean, he, and I would have similar strengths. I think so I don't think I don't think it would one of us would outplay the other too much because I think we be using like a similar tool kit. But which is like, I don't think enough people prioritized just being nice around camp in that early part. It just seems so obvious. So he will come out to to intense. It's like, hey, if you're just kinda chill for a while the beginning, you'll last at least a couple of boats, just like try be good team player, you'll get like a little far, and then you turn it on. So, but I would definitely vote him out. And he would one hundred percent vote me out as well. We have our eyes on the prize. Yes. Lily, well, Liana how can people follow you on social media? And how excited are you? A by the recent announcement of the rue Paul's drag race all forecasts. Yes. Okay. So you can find me on social media. I'm at Liana Boris. I am beyond excited for rupaul drag race. So there is a holiday special that airs I think December seventh and then the Allstars four which cast just got dropped. Then airs the next week December fourteenth, and Mike you and I will be back with Brent to cover cover all of the Loveliness that will be coming at us in December in terms of repulsed drag race, and I can't wait. Oh my God. 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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 12 with Lauren Ashley Beck

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 12 with Lauren Ashley Beck

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off can sell you the our ASE. Hi Everybody. Welcome to the RHA. Bnb for episode Twelve of survivor winners at war. We are nearing the bench here but there is still plenty plenty to talk about all settled in with your peanut butter and your cookies and your milk or whatever you chose to step down for not step down for because we have a fantastic panel to break down another episode of a season forty. Let me I welcome in someone who has been a bit. Kim Sad Lynn since Wednesday night until now Liana Boris Liana. Hopefully we can share you. Up This podcast. Well that's why I come to the BNB just because of all the silly shenanigans. Because like you said Mike I have been a little Liana Kim Sadler but I did get the denise iconic. I'm done moment which is giving me life. And so that's helping me get through the week as well as this podcast and I can't wait to get into everything. We have ironically enough denise. I'm done moment means you're not done personally. So I don't know of her intention was there. But it's working for you all in okay not done over here but But yes iconic now we are so excited to welcome in an icon from the island of the idols last season as it were and it just so happens that we are celebrating this week a whole calendar years since she celebrated the end of her season as we are looking down the barrel of the end of season. Forty Lauren Beck fourth-place finisher from Iowa. We are so happy to have you on the NBA. How's it going? It's going great. Thank you so much for half me on Mike and Leon so excited to be on the airwaves and toxin survivor winners at war with you guys. It's so crazy that you said it's been a year. I know there's been all these sentimental posts from my fellow castaways and it's just so crazy. How fast time truthfully does fly. So yeah can I ask. What was the mood on like thirty nine once? Everything is done for an exhaustion perspective especially from some that made to the end of the game. Was it really as celebratory as like? Wow I can't believe this is all over. I can't imagine like what you know. Cocktail of emotions must be going on. Yeah you know. It's so funny. They actually said it. Ponderosa that season thirty nine partied like the best cast that they've ever seen. We went so hard. We drank so much alcohol. We had a blast but I think more than anything especially for me. It was like I wanted time to slow down. Because I knew that the moments that we were experiencing were fleeting and we weren't going to ever be the way that we were again so without me crying. 'cause you guys saw more than enough of that when. I was on my season even though you're going to hear it but you know. I think in in those final moments is just really looking around and being like wow. I met all these amazing people and experiences this crazy experience with them and I will hold every single one of them close to my heart for the rest of my life so yeah. I truly do miss it. I really do. I love that. I love that attitude. I love that approach do you do you feel now because this is the first season after your season. Air That you're watching and of course it's all winners which I'm sure makes it even even more insane to watch but like how does that. Change your view of the show. Now that you've seen what happened when you are out there and how it was edited and how it was portrayed now thinking about what might be going on season forty. You know definitely as a viewer makes you watch the game differently. Because I know that there are all these side conversations that are going on but they can't show every single conversation. I think that it allows especially as as somebody that has played before it allows you to give more leeway in room to the castaways for why they may have behaved a certain way versus. Just jumping to like Oh. Why would they do that? I would never do that and yeah I mean. I don't know I think watching these winners is so great. It's something that I don't think I ever thought that I would get to see. But also they're living on our island. Karoo is Luma Likud. That's where we live. That's that was my home foci for thirty eight days. So it's very install. Jake and it's like oh they're eating breadfruit and I remember that pathway and there's just all these little things that really make me miss the game and you know it it just makes it that much more exciting because I can be like. That's where we had the family visit and that's where we did this. It makes me feel cool. I guess how how in what Robin Sandra have been if they made the merge and they found out that they were never going back to that shelter that you ended up living in those last few days on my gosh yeah that was probably the best thing of the entire experience. That house was unreal. I was more excited about the fact that there was a swing versus a shelter. I seven days. Who gives a shit about a shelter? I WanNa go on the swing. Thank you priorities. I would have fun little. Did I know Dean was finding clues? Honestly I just want to have a good time. Yeah that house. Mtv CRIBS. I literally asked Andrew. I'm like so. Can we go see our houses their food? I should have done a little herb segment not I think about it. Flake cribs or like pit my shelter. And it'd be like. Yo Dog swings switching. Would you like breadfruit so we put breadfruit on your breadfruit? I I love it. Something that also adds a bit of a layer to you watching the season. Lauren is that you have been doing recaps of the season as well over on telling recap your videos with a bunch of survivor alumni including people from your own season a most. Recently you had what might be one of the most interesting doubleheaders. I have ever heard of Kobe Arca from survivor Palau and Christa Hastie from survivor Pearl Islands. Yeah it was a very interesting combination. So what happened was at Rob's Premiere Party for this season I ended up meeting KRISTA. Who's a lovely woman that woman just beams light for her soul? She's so great and then Kobe and I really hit it off when we did the red carpet. So when I had asked me to come on the recap and thank you so much for talking about that on here. I know there's a lot of survivor recaps and I feel a little silly sometimes doing them. Because I feel like you know there is so much great coverage out there but I want to thank you for bringing that up but yeah cobaine krista great. It was very interesting to have the two of them on their way held. Nothing back al. Yes definitely sounds like you have to check it out if reveal is they held nothing back like Oh man I I definitely had to cut a couple things. 'cause I got a little crazy. Yeah what I did leave Ed. We'll give you guys know to you. Get certain survivor players. Who WanNa make things really nice and precious and put a little bow on it and make it seem like everything's Okay and then you have the other ones that come out. And they're like you know no. I'm just gonNa tell you how it is and I really appreciated their honesty their transparency and it was really fun. It was great. I can't shut up so I told you that might when I met you. I was like I had the gift of Gab. Like I can't stop talking so any chance. I get to talk and especially talking about survivor. It's two things that I love to do. So don't listen. You're preaching to the choir there and yeah I mean all I can imagine 'cause Krista was memorably compared to big bird in her original season. It seems more like H. B. O. Big Bird now. If apparently there's some radical stuff avenue and there's video I don't know about all that but I do know that they had no problems letting me know how they really felt about specific people in their games and stuff like that and it's great to hear different people's opinions about the game especially since they played you know. Yeah absolutely well. Let's get to this episode. Because obviously we have all been playing paying close attention. It was always going to be a big question mark as to how you follow up that Tony toward a force ending in this big four three to vote against Sophie. How things would go from there and leads to a little bit more. Cast a bit more focused. Chaos the only about two or three targets going on but still plenty of whispering culminating in Kim. Leaving the game after trying to mount this insurrection against the man who seemingly holds all the power in the group. Leon probably asking of the more bias people on the payroll giving your love and affinity for Kim Spradlin. That being said what did you think about the episode overall. Yeah I mean I was of course incredibly nervous the entire time and I think upon reflection the fact that survivor can elicit such emotional reaction in me means that. It's doing a good job because the last thing you WanNa do is watch. Tv show it'd be like and I was the furthest thing from watching this episode. It was incredibly intense credibly emotional and I think overall it was a really fun ride even though I was not so happy about ending. But you know what I'll take him over your thoughts about this particular episode. Especially you know. We're really starting to Nixon. This episode like we're starting to gear up for the end game. What are you thinking about? How the pieces are falling into motion here. I mean you know I think when. Look hard because you start to see a clear front runner towards the end and I think that right now. It's it's the Tony. Show Tony's calling the shots. He's got his hand in all these different pots. Social game is killer as we saw with Kim. Going home after trying to lead the charge against But I thought there were so many great moments in this episode Ben Touching the shelter like in the challenge and saying that he had touched it and he had that moment of like. Oh am I thought maybe I could lie. I thought that was so funny. denise hand up to Jeremy Moment was gold but yeah I mean I think I think the way. The season is shaping up. It's it's really showing that Tony's killing it right now. That's kind of kind of what I'm saying. I'm trying to remember Lauren. Did you ever have one of those whisper filled tribal councils? I'm trying to use the crew. Was the charisma. One was that like the bank one. Yeah it was the one where Nora had like. It was after the family visit and she tried to like go against us or something like that. And that's when D and immediately whispered to Tommy and like. Hey they're cutting for you but this is the thing with whispering at tribal and this is what I realized when I was talking to Kobe. And Krista what they're doing is because we all know that Jeff being the amazing hosted he is has the ability to sort of ask the right questions that could potentially blow up your game so I think what the winners have done is. They've taken jeff out of the equation. There are now spring tribal their not allowing things to be seen or heard in a certain way and they're sort of taking the reins and playing the game that they wanna they wanNA play. I guess I know a lot of yours at home are frustrated with the whispering tribal but I think as a castaway it's so difficult to navigate that space like how you know you need to tell your lines what you need to tell them that you can't in front of the jury just like be all loud and boastful because then people will say oh. You're just doing this for the jury so it's very difficult dance on a tightrope at tribal. It's crazy and I know that all too well 'cause I couldn't shut the hell up and tribal. That was like my time to speak truth. I think that's a really good point because sometimes it goes an underreported story. How important tribal council is and how critical it can be to. Somebody's game because like you said not. Only are you essentially performing for the jury? You know once you get to that stage in the game but you're also trying to walk like you said a very tight rope. I didn't even think about it from that perspective. It's essentially removing even the complicated elements of travel council and making it just scramble whisper time which oddly enough is less complicated scramble. Whisper the name for the survivor spinoff. Which is only tribal council like. It's a brand new game where you only go to tribal council and you can only communicate by whispering the MTV remember that MTV show. That was called like I don't know was in a library and like you couldn't make noise and if you did you lost money that you would eventually win or something and they do all of these big things like balloons or like tickle commercial in my mind I know exactly what you're talking about. Let's see I can't remember the name of it like it was like a quite like the quiet tro anti the a game. No mom plays in the car. Like Okay Kiss Silence Library. That's pretty thing that should. Maybe there should be different games like tribal council and like you can't talk and if you do talk. I don't know you lose your vote or something. I wish lose right up that that sounds like what are the disadvantages that you could get from the island of the idols less. Yeah and I think that part of me also wonders if maybe the returnees are over Jeff probst use of metaphor and like yeah whatever. Let's just get back to our old thing. We don't need to talk to you too lazy. Susan's or whatever the lazy to him right now. On my season he was. You know it's Wednesday night. You got your survivor donuts. And you believe in. It's like wait. Why gotTa Love Love Nevada? Only Gosh I'm trying to even think like especially because you guys aren't eating much you're tired like I would have a hard enough time responding to those insane things being well rested and it's so funny because it's almost like it starts to make sense so then I can actually tell you it's so we would think of things like medicines we know jeff loves metaphors so we would think of things that we were going to say in at the challenge like in terms of a metaphor this is like castaway boredom at its finest. We would have nothing to do. We'd be like what are we gonNA say to Jeff in forum in the form of a metaphor? We can't come up with things though. There is good as jess. Just got it down pat and we'll say you know. Obviously I think that maybe one of the complaints coming from this episode is not necessarily like the whispering now because I do think it was. Probably the most cohesive whispering section. We've seen an I one hundred percent attributed to the fact that we had subtitles. We're live we actually know what people are saying. And that made it ten times more appealing for my perspective because we did not feel as out of the know as before we actually understood like what people were doing that made me realize okay. This is why Tony would play an idol on Sarah because he felt that she was in trouble. You know this is why Jeremy wanted to play the coin because he told Tony about it and told them to back away from it. I wonder if it's just a thing of like. Let's say your mom makes like a really great meatloaf one week and you're like wow. This is a great new recipe. I love this. Thank you so much mom. It's delicious. And then she makes it like every week for the next month. Eventually IT'S GONNA lose its value right and I think this is. This is what like the third in four weeks. We've had all this whispering going on it so I could imagine that people are just fatigued as an audience member of seeing tribal council break into this so many times recently. Yeah Yeah So. This is likes the I'm trying to think of. How do I complete this? Jeff probst level analogy so then adding the the subtitles is you know. Is that like adding a new side dish or put a twist on the dish somehow Mexican meatloaf Oh some extra Taco spices. Yeah come on cumin exactly. The subtitles are the Cumin of survivor. Man That would be such a great analogy for scramble. Whisper time the new show coming to. Cvs The small. Well let's get into some of our stuff here on the NBA. We're GONNA start with our preseason predictions so Liana and I before the season wrote down how we thought each castaway was going to do. I would say sight unseen but obviously we saw how they would do beforehand and I mean Liana. I'm going to take a shot in the dark here in in the not so dark because I feel like this room. It's fairly well lit at this point. I can imagine it Kim. Spradlin was your winter pick. I'm assuming oh my gosh okay. She was actually not my winter. Pack and the reason why was because I wanted to put my eggs and multiple baskets. Because Kim One and she wasn't my winnipeg I would still be above and beyond happy however if she lost for some reason at least I still be like but I still have my winter. Pick at so. It's still a mystery who my my winter is because that person is still very much like Kim with her. Fire Tokens just like doing one a piece and all the different chess. Exactly but four. Kim Spradlin I was of very optimistic about her chances. I said that she would win to individual immunity as I said she would pull together group of allies through a patented Kim calmness then she is so beloved that she's elected Supreme Leader of Fiji and rules all of Fiji forever. And then I said she would pull a Shangila on drag race allstars and make a bunch of game of thrones references confessionals. I have no idea where that came from. Does she like oh no she was the one yes she was the one. I think that said that she wanted three the Tyrian. Janu SANDRAS DID AREAS. Must have come from somewhere. I said she would have twenty six confessionals and she would have six hundred and forty four fire Tokyo or ally. It'd be denise enemy would be Sandra okay all right well. I did not I actually. I put her with zero fire token so you know I think we set up a good spectrum there. She ended up. I said that Kim would find the first advantage of the game which may have happened. I guess if you count idols on the beach I'd say she'd win one of the attorney challenges which TVD and. I said that she would have like an uncharacteristic moment that she freaks out during breaks sort of Kim Spradley calm her closest allies so her worst enemy is Sandra. Twenty eight confessionals. And of course Zilch Fire Tokens. Lauren how did you think Kim was going to do as such like a big name of the game? Did you come into the season thinking that some of those bigger people were just going to be natural targets early on l? Absolutely I think what was most shocking to me was in the beginning seeing can sort of coming up to these conversations like can I come up to you. Can I talk to you? It was very shocking. I mean when you say Kim Spradlin that is like a name in survivor history so I thought it was going to kill it and I still think she has the potential to do that. You know someone else is going to get back in the game and it could very well be her. She's a challenge feast So yes I think that I think also the fact that she is voted out relatively soon to win. The challenge will be mom. I think that that's going to be beneficial for her. So hopefully fingers crossed. Because we'll get wait one or two more boat. People voted out and then we'll have our challenge place over the course of like two days. Apparently this episode took place over the course of one day which boggles my mind. No Lie to our episode right. Oh for next week old. You're talking about this past week. Yeah this was one day so they had the challenge. Oh no wonder they like made a turned it up a notch. Or whatever with the fifteen minute standing on the little perch okay. Let's finish the sister. Get to travel council. We could start whispering. Let's go and I guess I can imagine they were probably doing this. Challenge at the same time as the effort task on edge of extinction at the same time Yeah yeah that's a a good shout interesting okay. So that'll be. That'll be like what like in two days three days or something. That will be competing. And I guess though. There's so many fire tokens out there. Like will she be able to get enough to get some sort of advantage to compete with the other people? I guess that's the question. Yeah it's it's very weird thing and it was pointed out I think the first time That Tyson came back. Is this idea of how weirdly inverse the edge of extinction is that someone like Natalie was voted out I but it gives her so much more opportunities to get all. These fire tokens that she can spend on challenge. Advantages as opposed to someone like you'll who just got voted out and had to bequeath everything and so he has nothing and is automatically at a disadvantage and the challenge. I can imagine that with little opportunity to get fire tokens on top of the fact that she's going to be what one of like fifteen people competing to come back at it. She's she's got a she's more uphill. I think that someone like Natalie or poverty who has money spent? Yeah that's true that's true. I actually I went back to look 'cause Lauren. We did these predictions for your season as well horrible. No I had you in the finale. I had you actually losing the final three but only because people felt that you were to cut throat because he played the game and the jury felt betrayed by Yael. And so that was I believe it have very well played out like that you will never go away so now. I'm looking at two. Oh my God actually all right. Let's listen to this. So this is my prediction how Lauren Beck would do an island to the idols. And this is like right. After I came back all the way back you know a year and change ago after talking with you. I said you didn't make the finale. I said you were our fourth place. Finisher you'd have the biggest reaction of the season. I said we'll hear about her game. More than what will actually see your closest ally would be missy and your worst enemy would be nora. Oh Gosh isn't that so funny? Oh my God I was like. I'm so like great. It's amazing I mean. Listen to this as much as you might have made been self-effacing with your predictions Lauren. I think we both had good. Good prospects for help and love that you guys saw that. Instead of I have to be completely honest I think I told you this Mike like going out there. I was like there's no shot in hell I'm going to be able to do this Just based off of physical ability not going outside but it's really cool to hear like what people saw before I played at all. I also my impression personally was like I thought that your tribe was so solid compared to lie road just from like Like both strength perspective that I was like. There's a good chance she might not be going to tribal a lot pre merge. And then if she is she's in that position where if she makes the merged she'll she'll be able to make a lot of great social inroads and do really well and not. That thing did not exactly happen but I feel like it was very close. So it's so funny you say that because I think you're looking at my tribe like when we got to the island and looking at the time we all thought we were screwed because looking at the other tribe. You Got Aaron Mitzi Elizabeth. You have all these crazy athletes so we thought we weren't going to do as well on but I think what though I really did. Well was how close we were like. Chelsea from is the isn't always jokes with me and says because we used to do every night before we would go to bed we would do gratitude say things that we were grateful for so she always jokes. That LYRA was cracking jokes and having fun. Invoke was too busy praying. And I'm like yeah but our prayers to the survivor. God's made us okay. That's right. Yeah because you guys you lost one of the first ones right. Yeah and we were all very much like it wasn't like a dictatorship like I didn't feel like someone was like okay. You have to go here and you have to go there. It was very much like okay. What everyone's strengths? Where do you guys want to go? Who feels comfortable doing what and we heard on the other side. It was a bit opposite so I think it's all about how you go into the challenge and I think that that was. We had a good sense of of team and everyone had a good sense of their strengths. And Gentlemen Out Element I when I saw. Paper that tribes. I had a very similar ideas to you but watching that I challenge. Where just watching and you know no offense to Chelsea Dean advance but watching them self puzzle and then that night voting out Ronnie. I'm like hey this is going to be a CUTTHROAT AF season but be if they're not necessarily concerned about like keeping around the big buff is then that means Foci might have an opportunity to really keep cruising housing. That was so interesting to me and I guess a lot of people of those three and other people that would do puzzles. They would be like. Oh I'm really good at puzzles and then dropped the ball and then the next challenge. We'd see that same person on puzzle and I would be like what. Where's the what is happening right now? There's no way and even me if I was like. Oh I'm good at puzzles. I got this and I lost. I would never step up a puzzle again so it was just very interesting to see their strategy and how they did things teamwork makes the dream. Work you guys but we even saw that this season right. We're like Boston. Rob failed to puzzles in a row but they kept putting him on it no matter what these these strike one of these times. It's like a lot of pressure on Boston. Rob Like he's trying to live up to this name and then he got a win all these things for everyone in. It's just like I don't know I feel for him in that moment. That's a lot of pressure I couldn't imagine and then you have the other. You know like the Boston Rob doesn't quit because apparently he still finished the twenty coconuts even though he was like bleeding like I didn't get it cracked his elbow Kobe. Even on my podcast. He was like I think I think a moment but it didn't quite read that way. I wouldn't say that necessarily but I think like you know. Try to keep your energy. You have a lot you know. You'RE GONNA challenge to get back to you. I wouldn't be going up the hill to try to prove something interesting because I could see. Maybe not as as Blunt Kobe I. It is definitely him being like. I want to stick with it you know. I think he's made it very clear that this is the last time he's ever going to probably play on survivor so he wants to make the most of the experience but it just like you know. Obviously five people didn't finish in the in the black. Like get the fire tokens and I didn't see any of the rest of them doing that. You know so. It is a Weirdo. Like they have no energy to do. It's like you should just chill and relax. I Dunno I feel but again I think it does speak volumes. I think Boston rob felt like he had to do that. Well I mean. He brought a lot of coconuts back that they could eat away. Okay so let's do the math here because the first six people that came back they had to bring twenty coconut. So that's a minimum of one hundred and twenty coconuts stacked next to this shelter. What the hell are they going to do with all those coconuts against make popcorn coconut? Whatever I honestly I Liana you joke about the deforestation of Fiji all the time. I generally j given lengthy here for the ecosystem on that island after if they are delegating an eating one hundred plus coconuts in the next week. I just hope for every coconut. They plucked the plant a coconut tree or something problem production would give them a great all right now. We're going to give you twenty coconut. See the losers have to go plant the coconut trees that were just completely stripped of its coconuts for this challenge. That'll be the new challenge. I also did like how Jeremy Unintentionally shouted out the extinction at tribal council and he's like it's like an endless treadmill. Now he's like we were on one too. Yeah I loved that when the jury was like Pats Oscar Great Unintentional jury management from Jeremy. They're very he cheer me. Okay what. What are your thoughts on Jeremy here because I would say that? Jeremy is in such a weird unique position where like his back has been against the wall a couple times in San Mondale Sore but Jeremy has never experienced what I would essentially call the Kelly. Wentworth treatment that she got in Cambodia. We're like she just constantly on his toes back against the wall trying to figure out how to scrap out from each and every vote. Yeah I mean. And that's you're saying that's what he's experiencing now. He's I mean eventually. I think for Jeremy. Though it's going to let up I feel like like at some point. He keeps escaping the target. Eventually they're going to forget about it. I feel like Yeah eventually it'll slip through the cracks because rb other priorities come up. He continues to slip through the cracks. I mean he's been his name has been up so many times. I just feel like eventually. They're going to back off of that and move onto something else well. Maybe they won't and he'll go to edge of extinction because like you oddly. Have this weird thing. Where like Ben hates him but then he didn't vote against him this round like it's it might just be one big facade of like damn it. I can't give it up Jeremy if only I could actually cast a vote against him once and it was very interesting to me that Jeremy didn't play the fifty fifty advantage that tells me that something in him made him feel comfortable enough to where he didn't feel that he was going to be the one going home because he did play that. I'm leaving tribal advantage so something in. There tells me that he feels like he's not Numero Uno target. Yeah that he wasn't endanger and it was willing to risk it When you're so close I would've played it. There would have been knowing how I would. I would just 'cause what's the risk you get immunity your so just play it. But then I think again it goes to that showboating for the jury and then you don't want people to know that you had this advantage. Where did you get advantage? Easy going to give the advantage back to Michelle like. That's another question I have. I wonder if I could imagine Michelle asks for it back. He'll give it to her body also feel like of the to. Jeremy is going to be in the most immediate danger more so than Michelle. So I feel like she's being like you hold onto it but I also wonder like it. Did He make a mistake? In pulling it out moaning to the moon and then eventually putting it away is one of those things like no half measures like either take the the evangelist. Play it or now. He now is pretty much shown. Everybody and only Tony. Really knows that about the coin and Michelle as well but essentially has shown everybody that he has something in his pocket one. It's the same thing with Tony. Because now they everyone knows. He has an idol. So it's like yeah. Both of them showed their hands. So maybe I think maybe Jeremy will be in the hot seat again because people are going to be like. Oh wait what. He has an advantage. Now what what does he have? What is it? Where did he get in that kind of thing? And that seed of doubt is all you need to be like. Oh no you gotta go. And no one is going to assume it's a fifty fifty coin like you're GonNa get an idol right like no one's going to be like Oh see if you've ever. Dj going home like no no. Yeah exactly like if someone's like no don't worry the thing I have is a coin. Then one-sided says safe the other side says not safe and I'm supposed to flip it at tribal council like I think even some of the most hardened players it'd be like you need stop making up fairy tales. Join me. That coin does not possibly exist. Right like Oh. Don't worry guys like. There's a chance that I might not be safe. You know what I mean like. Don't worry you can still not vote for you. Know whatever anyway before we move onto more fun and games. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back so let's keep on keeping on. Well let's get into some of our games here. I WANNA start with one. That actually comes from one of our great listeners. Caitlyn killing says so. My sister and I have been playing this game in quarantine like the jeopardy category. Before and after with celebrity names so my idea is to have clues combining actors and survivor. Players from the currency is in or any player. So we're going to test a survivor history between you two Lauren. And Liana. Here's how this is going to work so in light of the jeopardy category before and after I'm calling this previously on survivor and next time on survivor. So here's how this is going to work. I'm going to give a clue in this clue. The answer to the clue is going to be. An actor's name and a survivors name that have one name in common so for example Sophie. Clark Gable or Daniel Date Kim Spradlin so I give you a clue that sort of talks about those two people like for example for Sophie Clark Gable. I could say she slayed dragon and frankly my dear she doesn't give a damn which of course would be yourself Clark and then Clark Gable so if you think you will you will buzz in and you'll have the opportunity to answer if you get wrong. Other person will get an opportunity to guess simple scoring. If you get it right you get a point if you don't you get nothing but just temperature the room at Beth here. I'll do something while we're talking here. I'll send you a list of all the survivor contestants. So that that can help. You have a visualization of only about five hundred people to choose from the makes a nice and easy. Yeah but first of all. We're doing this. I want each of you to come up with a special buzzer sound so that I know who is buzzing in win so Liana. Do you have one off the top of your head. Ooh shoot. I wanted to do something like yes. Jeff I touched the structure from Ben Steak. But that's like way too much. Do you can touch the structure. Okay okay all right okay are maybe I'll just say L. structure or hot I. I don't know so I'll figure out something like Lauren. Do you have an idea for a buzzer noise? My will be audio's okay. There we go there. We go and see no in the chat that we are in right now. I have provided link to the list of all American survivor contestants. All of them are up for grabs. It could be on this season. They cannot so use your imagination and your brain power people so once again the the answer is going to be I an actor or celebrities name and then the survivors name with one name in common. So like Daniel Day Kim Spradlin and then I would give a clue something like This actor went to Hawaii Five. O to design a winning game in one world in which case that would be the answer. So good luck okay and just to be prepared for a lot of like dead air. Both yell out are yeah. Let's provide a lot of thinking time. All right let's let's let's test the waters and see how this goes and I'm going to also provide these in a non gender. They them because sometimes it can be male male male female female female boy. They have had their moments of Glee particularly when they bought a useful. Look in coin. Okay low I'll be. Structurally Liana Structure Gate Leeann Michelle Fitzgerald. That is correct and I was like a coin choice taught you know. I know I know yes it is indeed Liam Michelle Fitzgerald is the correct answer. I thought I had anxiety watching the episode. Like my heart a mile. A minute. Lamest Game Okay and just so you know that I consider the. Let's see I don't know? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We'll see all right us. Here is number two. They may be known as a rebel without a cause. But most times you can catch them. Just chilling It touches structure. What I thought I heard audio okay. I'll go with a little Loren Loren. Don't go to me okay. So you okay. I'll go to leave. I spoke before I knew. I gotta get in there like off of it. Okay all right okay James Dean. What's Co allow ski? And what's close enough James Dean Colston while equality? Yeah Okay yes that is correct James Dean Learner so close. I know you had one half of it. I didn't really Oughta you're so good at this. You're making me look. I don't even know actors names by my slumdog millionaire Moment Burbank. To be a very. They're all the Times that Liana. Watch rebel without a cause. It's finally play all right next one. They may still be looking for a twenty this season but they have no problem figuring out. Who is the mole? I have no idea. Can you say it again? They may still be looking for twenty this season. They have no problem in figuring out who is the mole did come up with an alternate clue for this one. Let's see this will help? They know their way around the world whether it's T. A. R. or C. N. N. Parliament's NBA. Go this way around getting this. I'll give this ten more seconds. Then we'll we'll see a R T N N heart arteries up. You're trying to make an acronym amount of nothing. So they may still be looking for twenty this season. But they have no problem figuring out. Who is the mole? They know their way around the world whether it's T. A. R. or CNN. Afraid we were looking for Natalie. Anderson Cooper was the correct answer. Oh I oh my God dude okay. I got super confusing. They thought it was the actor. I and I was like Nellie Anderson and that was a bit it can't be because that's the okay. Good I thought you were saying twenty. They may still be looking for twenty this season. You should on both parts. Choir Tokens to get up till the JANAS AMOUNT. Oh CNN. I heard T. Okay all right. Now we're seeing an ED T. A. R. Okay. Yeah just a little flippy. Floppy that's okay. We got very good we could. Let's just a momentary stumble but would have been on here. Sure momentary and air club exactly. They're hopelessly devoted whether to Danny Zuko or a black widow winner. Oh we could get out. I'm like I'm literally going Louis. They devoted whether to Danny Zuko or a black widow winner. Newton a black widow winner. Yes I would be. Let's work through this one black widows okay. So you're not you want. You can cooperate on this one. Okay you a winner. So is it not par is it? Oh it's a winner okay. Hopelessly devoted to a black widow winner. Okay hopelessly politics John. Okay Oh oh okay. Venture it's a Libyan John Richer structure. You know what you know what? I'm GonNa throw away the here you both. We both work together on this team. Pro Yes indeed was a Libyan Newton John Venture. That was good Lauren. The John Fisher thing because I was like last name is urban that very popular last day or the first name of shallow. I mean we had someone we had. Someone named their Kid Boston robbery recently. I wouldn't be surprised to change their last name to poverty in honor of the great winner. Boston rob that's great. Is the first name Boston in the Middle Name is robbers? Nope it was the first name Boston. Middle Names Rob next level you do no judgment as someone who recently had to name a child like no judgment that people who have do that. I'm just very intrigued. As to what the story will be when that child gets old enough to ask what they're named after although to be fair Boston as a name is like a thing and only son was td pasta and do other people name their kids Boston or not. They do really okay. I heard the name Boston Boston. Rob Unless you know we're talking about Boston. Yeah Yeah Man. Give me super awkward when the two of them are in a room and someone says Boston Rob and they're both going to say yes at the same time. That poker game is GonNa be insane and the kids are GonNA think he's in trouble because you're referring to him by his middle and his first and middle name all right. Let's have you worked together. Moving forward here cooperation teamwork makes the dream work to quote. Vote by all right. Here's the next one rocket man and superfan. I obviously superfan. Is Adam Climb yes okay? And then what was the actor's name and rocket man movie right? I will say that doesn't really tiny an actor just celebrity. Where we've dealt with Anderson Cooper Elton John's rocket man. They don't have Elton John. I've been thinking maybe it's a different superfan. When you like another clue yes please. Thank you very much goodbye. Yellow Brick Road. Hello last name treatment. Cochran John Cochran. Elton John Cochran. That's correct so good you got. Yeah you like you I mean no you can you? I mean come on the support the other one I had the other clue I had for this one was. I'm still standing even though I flipped on my tribe. That wouldn't have helped. We Watch rocket man recently and like so all the Elton John's just picking around my head as of late okay was trying to. I was like I'm sure it was an actor in rocket mail with the last name out of I know maybe all right. Here's the next one there. The King of Queens and getting voted out with idols. Oh God Kevin Kevin James. Yeah you gotta humor sorry that just like boundaries because Kevin James is like a joke name in our household for for something. I love you no Kevin James. You know love but it's clearly a insult. Sorry Kevin James. Doing what you're doing the that don't impress me much. But like Iran nuclear. He's seven James. Yeah I like this one as well because there's just the image of like James Clement Mall Cop Wonder what James would be like as a mall. A is he like crying things off the walls I need or I think like Pe- kids who get caught just like never appear again considering how he knows how to bury them terrifying to a very dark place all right. Here's the next one. They can tell you about the wonders of space or the nutritional benefits of peanut butter. The wonders of space Now rocket man so this is not on. John did not repeat Elton John even though there are a lot of John's competed on survivor. What was the second part they can tell you about the wonders a space or the nutritional benefits of peanut butter? That's either nor Kim or ties in Nuoro as my oh. I didn't even think about that. Like people who My first thought was Nora. Also wait something about space you. You don't have another one. I don't I don't have another one. No space lay somebody. Who went to space? Is that a movie. The wonders of space. Not The wonders of spaces actually wondering that's Google and now that is a Mike blue-emu original people. Oh No shit not Neil degrasse Tyson Apostle. That's right holy harrap tower and I was like Neil degrasse. Tyson popped in my head but the person not the name and then I thought Mike Tyson and that was like that's not right. Well I did have one for Mike Tyson. If this didn't work which was they'll take a nibble off your ear and a large scoop of peanut butter. I got that one right off the bat. Yes so neil deal cress. Tyson Apostle is the correct answer. How one is blunt in the game of survivor? One is blunt on twitter correcting various pieces of pop culture sort of one in the same essentially the same person. All right. Here's the next one national lampoon's Nicaraguan vacation. Okay okay so obviously it someone from survive. Korogwe right like that And then someone. From some of the National Lampoon show. Yes you got it it's Chase Rice Chevy Chase Chevy Chase Rice. Yes it is yes indeed chase rice chevy chase right. That's like a new version of see spot. Run Chevy Chevy Chase Chevy chase rice chevy see Chevy Chase or act it's the newest tongue twister to get through it to make sure your warmed up for tribal council those metaphors. That's Jeff probst new like vocal warm-up. Yeah here's the next one loves Leslie. No hates OP BRONCO. Oh okay loves Leslie No So shoot. It's either an perkins for Ben Wyatt to wait is it. Are they fictional? There's no I did not put fictional characters Dave's okay so it's not been y you're telling me there's not even why. Oh why no last big lauren. Just heard the Penn Wyatt and decided to get Ben Y. Okay well then no then. It's atoms oh I think I think Scott Pollard. I L Adam. Scott Pollard is correct. Okay Yeah my other one was going to be party down and take it to the hoop without feels a little more like niche than the parks and REC reference. Hardy down take it to the WHO. Hardy down was a show that Adam Scott was on with like a caterer rate yet kager had like Ken Marino and had Jane Lynch it had Martin Star in it. I very much recommend people check it out. I think it's on Hulu take basketball reference. The have you guys seen the ads for that. New Adam. Scott show. Yeah he's like hosting this. It looks horrible. I think it's all it's called. Don't all D- don't scripted. Or It's a show. No okay. It's an okay. All right all right hold on me. I don't want to obviously get anything wrong. Because this is such a great show executive produced by Ryan Reynolds and hosted by Adam. Scott and they give big little lies as biggest credit which is questionable. Don Don't is a comedic physical game. Were doing nothing is what it takes to win parentheses. Finally we okay. The AD I saw people running into objects interesting and I don't know I think we've found like the new version of silent library right. Don't do something and you win. I'm looking at people. Dressed up as matches thing William Perry. What is there dressed up as as matches on stage? And there's like flame faithful all orders this triggering for you. It had to be fired. Didn't it just yet is? This is literally silent library like okay in each episode members of a four person team will strive to accomplish various challenges. Such as don't laugh. Don't blame don't look back as they work together to build their bank library right there is this on ABC. It's GonNa Launch June eleven interest. I feel like this is also a very badly titled Show Right. This has a million snarky headlines written about it already but like do you want to check out this new show one word. Don't air ball but maybe I'll check it out for Adam. Scott and for people dressed up as matchsticks or herbal. I'm so excited. Maybe they'll be like a disadvantage in the fire. Making challenge from now on like somebody has to wear a costume that would get in the way of them making fire. I mean I I. I think that's great. We definitely need that all right. I got one more here free. Let's finish strong. You've got mail dot dot dot in your Pants Ryan Ryan's last name from. Oh Lord you got one. It is indeed Meg Ryan all rick. The other one I had was maybe sleepless in Seattle but at least they're dressed in their finest turtleneck. Oh congratulations to both of you. Because I mean basically you got all them correct which is a heavy heavy feet and thank you again to Kaitlin. Those were all Caitlyn. Submissions Her and her sister came up with all those. So thank you so much Kaitlyn. Thank you to both of you for submitting yourself to basically the opposite of Dolan's which I'm just saying do do answer these very very hard questions. That was amazing. That was fun. That was really cool. Now thinking I've done in this quarantine I got those about me than it does. Nothing game but at the same time embarrassed. Oh okay all right I just need like okay compressions seriously. Okay all right well. Let's do a little. Bit of a pallet cleanser before we get into the idiotic game that. I have prepared for us to play. I won't talk about. There was a quote that Tony had. That was this is war. Stop crying put your man pants on and it got me thinking about what the appropriate clothing item is when you need to go to war and stop crying. Because I don't know if man panties necessarily what it is because what I was thinking. I think like big girl suspenders. It'd be impossible option. You wanted to find big girl. Suspenders for I cannot I? CanNot I feel? Like that's like suspenders. For some reason is to meet the optimal or I'm about to like get shit done clothing. That's interesting to me because I feel like suspenders. Are The clothing item of weakness. Because they're holding your pants up for you like you're not doing anything about it. These suspenders are doing it for. You are so down in the dumps as a person that you can't even hold your damn pants up without these suspenders. I think of suspenders. I think a fashion statement so we all have different ideas of what is really the roar shock tests right now. A fashion items. Yeah I didn't I didn't realize that would uncover is so much but we're doing Mike. Where do belts Paul? Well that's a good question. Maybe I'll catch your pants up to right. I suppose so but I feel like belts like you have to physically restrain the belt. There's an action behind it suspended or just relying on your shoulders and gravity right like you can't eliminate your shoulders. And then this is a weird sense. What about overalls? Yes he can. Get behind because overalls or at least on the outside right. I feel like suspenders. Are being like there a little shy. Sti like you're you usually have a shirt on over them like you're you're hiding something. You're pretending that your your pants are being held up really the suspended or doing all. The Work Shakti overalls is a very interesting concept. Okay okay all right Mike. Then what is your war? Stop crying put on your blank. I feel like it's like up your boots right lace up your foods. Chelsea boring okay. Then I don't know shine up your helmet. Yes Sean up your helmet. Strap on your suspense. I'm still on this and surrender trae and then another good clothing item or like a brush off your gloves rush off your gloves. Do use gloves and war question? I you have like some of them are like I'm thinking maybe because I just watched drag rates today is like the arm length you know like Oh these are my dinner gloves gloves. It's six. Pm. Let me put on my war gloves. I don't know okay well fine. I still sticking with my suspenders theory though. Okay there'd be something maybe on the man paint something with pants instead like not necessarily like the the item of clothing but more so the type of pants you're putting on ooh Like okay what is the most intense fabric? Is it like your Corduroy Pants? Burlap Earl your potato sack war question for Lauren. Air these types of things that you guys discussed. When you're what analogies are we gonNA talk about? Relax overalls and all that. Yeah okay all right. Well I'm still sticking with my suspenders theory. Mike Despite your sorry I just don't trust the spenders. Try very very shaky. Listen if I was contested and there are people walking around Ponderosa wearing suspenders. I'd be suspicious. Just say you know to that point. I would have to agree. Who's this guy suspenders? Like I don't trust this guy this guy. Because he's got on the suspenders. I mean come on I think for me. It's a Bowtie League. I really don't trust Bob. Crowley let me introduce you to Neil degrasse Tyson. Apostle my favorite all right. Well I am. I am beyond excited for this game. We're GONNA play a game that I have called bird Because I was inspired by the whole Tony Getting pooped on and then clearly. He gets the idea of the spy nest from the Bird Poop. Or at least that's what. I'm choosing to believe the those that was like a causal thing where he was like birds looked up and he didn't initially think that it was a bad because that would make him like have an entire cave right the spy cave. I didn't even think about that. Yeah this could've taken a very different turn. Viable a cave is for sparking. Yea in the caves comes to cave. Let me spy on you. Okay all right so this game burder. Nah a what we're GONNA do. I started reading the birds of Fiji Wikipedia page and they have some insane names. Like let me just give some examples before we dig into this One of the names of a legit bird that is found in Fiji is the Pomeranian yeager. Okay two things that I love so the Ruddy Turn Stone. Also a name of a bird. That's feels like something uncle Vernon from Harry Potter would say Yeah Right. It's an insult so I'm hoping through this game. Maybe we can get some new lingo going but the way this game is going to work is I'll go back and forth between the two of you and I'm GonNa read three bird names to or real and found in Fiji and one of them. I wrote myself. So it's up to you to guess which bird is not real that I wrote using a random word generator. Yes why do I have to ask because I know that people will sort of give you a bit of a briefing as to like how to navigate the jungles of Fiji retold? Anything about the birds were we on. We were not told about the birds. no we heard about the birds over. Lyra poor library. They weren't eating sleeping or winning challenges but they had these crying birds out there that I never heard them but I did see them and smell them. Because I went to One day we want to challenge or something happened and we went there and it smelled horrible and I guess these birds would like fly into their backs and cry all night long and like and you. Can't they're going extinct so you can't? They couldn't eat them or Keller anything like that which I'm glad they couldn't but on these birds were just horrible but we have them Vo Guy. Wait I want to go back to this? They flew into their backs flew into their backs. I got I forgot who it was but I guess they had built their fire in the flight. Path of these birds like they were they were living on. This bird's island was the birds home and I guess Libero infiltrated their home so they would fly. I guess they would all sit around the fire and one of the bird smacked into someone's back actually sounded like. Oh my God so these birds. That's so if you're sitting at fire at night like survivors of stressful game. So you hear the approaching sound of a dying cat as you get hit in the back by something and you look at a bird flies away and Janet is so cute. She's like you know I actually liked the birds. It kind of reminded me of like crying. Whales it was like a white noise machine walk. Okay Janet. Janet. Only make these dive bombing. Aggressive bird sounds so friendly. Yeah absolutely yeah we were told about. We were told. Don't kill any goats and don't kill any birds. Everything is fair and then we did get a little packet about dangerous foods and stuff like that but that was really okay well. I don't know if that'll help you. Hear what would you have bird calls? Maybe that would help your experience perfect. I'll just I'll like run into you. I don't know I guess that's breaking social distancing. Run into your back. If this were to fly into your account to the sound it would make as slump so okay. Mike. Let's start things off with you. These are the first three birds a a tawny frog mouth. Be A finicky tip. Mouse see own wandering whistling duck. Oh my God worse on and I make up for me. This finicky tip. Mouse will the wandering whispering. Duck sounds like a delightful children's book that I might honestly need to right. They didn't this quarantine I feel like. It's the second one is definitely real because the mouse is a real burden I feel like they would add something to it. The first one was what what was the first one. The Tawny Frog mouth okay. I feel like a bird would not have frog mouth but somehow they would call it that I mean. I can't imagine there are ducts in Fiji. If their ducks in Fiji something went very wrong one winter. So I'm GonNa say the whispering duck or whatever it was called is is the fake animal and sorry Mike that was incorrect. It was actually the finicky. Tit mouths I knew it. I knew it little bit trick answer. Okay so the the. What is the name of the duck the wandering whistling duck? That is a real like animal. It is a really really offer that exists in Fiji. Let's see I can tell you more about it? Let's see here the wandering wing whistling duck. Yes wandering whistling duck. It has its very own wikipedia. Page they inhabit tropical and sub-tropical the Philippines Borneo Indonesia Papua New Guinea and all of the Pacific islands. There are three subspecies Excetera X. Era. I I don't now let's see. It doesn't life's formerly named Sri Ducks. Oh yeah okay. It has a new name because of their loud whistling calls weird. That is strange to me. We're GONNA learn so much about animals today exciting. Yeah Okay Lauren. Let's move on to your question. A the consumed scrub fowl. Be The mini colored fruit dove or. See The buttery Robin on okay. I definitely saw a bird that looked like a robin out there. But I'M GONNA GO WITH C. That is correct. The world and be consumed scrub fowl is indeed a real burden. That is a poor bird. Like are you saying that it's like easily eatable and that's always called consume one. Well I guess that's better than my initial interpretation which was consumed in itself and it's like has anxiety so busy it's like consumed with everything right an so. I mean if this damn duck stop wandering around and whistling maybe it wouldn't be so consumed with anger. Oh Yeah Mike if you do ever write the book. The wandering whistling duck. I'd love to help collaborate on some of the other characters that might be in it. I think you really have a whole host of names. You can do a modern day version of chicken. Little Ryan all had different personality types. We can definitely do wandering whistling duck and we can do consumed waterfowl scrub fowl scrub fowl. I Apologize Okay. Well Lauren. You've one point Mike. We're going to go back to you. The Crab Tail Jabber be the Fiji would swallow or See Island thrush. Okay so I know rushes a bird a sexual as it may sound so it feels like that one would make sense be has Fiji in it but I can't tell if that's the trick me I'm GonNa say a is the fake when I'm going to feel like one. Simple here with your random regeneration. Hey you said that a is the fake one. That is correct. Yes Fiji would swallow is a real bird. Okay or a the noble megapode pretty the chief flat drum or the the red necked stint next. Didn't she finished seventh place? In your season Lauren. A laid my life. I'M GONNA GO WITH B. That is correct. Chief Latte drum was what the word generator gave me. So all right back to you Mike. Hey the white rump swiftlets be the white spotted mammoth or see the white throated needle tale That was my nickname in college. A did you say white spotted. Mammoth for be Assad even a bird. That's just a mammoth the you know. I mean I'm be weird calling a bird a mammoth unless we've just completely done away prehistoric animals. Can I hear all region? Yes a white rumpt swiftlets white spotted mammoth or your nickname and college. White throated needle tail. I think you know what at sticking out to me. Like a woolly mammoth. I'M GONNA go with white spotted. Mammoth that is correct. We have a tied game. Two to two. We're going into our final question. Lauren oh now okay. A The masked booby that show right. Yeah that's right. Be The red footed booby or see. The jittery booby data. Okay wait booby read. What was the I believe? The masked booby masks bere- I liked the dramatisation of that okay. I'M GONNA go back to lose right now. I can just feel it masked read or what was the last show. Jittery jittery booby okay. I'm GONNA say see that is correct. Laren resent correct on his birds. You do yeah. I am very impressed. Liquid I studied birds before I went out there just so I knew what I would come in contact with. I cannot wait for the new show coming out to Fox of Ken. Jong being like. I know exactly who that booby is. It's yeah the hit new. Tv show coming to Fox. Can't wait nick. Cannon hosts love it. Yeah so I was like I want to come up with a bird game this week and then I told myself that stupid started reading the list of birds in Fiji and I was like Nah. What's your favorite bird name? Ooh My favorite burden ham. Let's see I mean. Obviously the island thrush just made me laugh immediately but the poor Sandpiper I thought was also using the game but for my tiebreaker. Does that mean is it like is it Jack. Is that why it's Natural Sandpiper? There's also the wandering tabular which is also good nickname for someone who's episode. Right thinking. Ben I do. I do want to talk about something because amidst all this we get this one scene where Ben Tony are are sort of going on casual idle hunting. Ben Finds One and tries with the greatest of ability to try to. Just pass it off. Put it in his pants during casual conversation without Tony Noticing. Obviously Tony does calls him out on. Ben Tries to distract him by carrying him off like he's a newlywed as they run through the jungle. But I guess my question is like was there something. Ben Could have done to try to distract Tony more so that he could have grabbed the idol. Without Tony Knowing. Ooh says some sort of distraction so okay so because I think the problem is like oh you see it right like you see the eit all you have to distract him before you ever reach for it. Yeah or yeah I would imagine because again. I think he was really trying to distract Tony. Feel like he's looking away just by cow carrying on a casual conversation. But Tony happened to be looking over and so when Ben just tried to casually slip it into his pants. Tony was rather it's like. What do you think you're doing? I don't know the does the. Hey look over there. Does that work or no. I don't know lived Lauren. If you were searching the jungle with somebody and I forget if you if you had done any sort of group idle hunts during your season but if someone said like hey what's that hey look at that wandering duck. Would you look out? I think in that situation if I were bents position because we all know you go on these jungle walks and talks hours right so what I would do is probably leave it and back to it. I know that sounds silly. Because people will be like Oh woes somebody else could find it but like in terms of how long Ben and Tony could actually be away from camp for people back a camper like we've been in. Tony Conversation probably lasted five minutes. Maximum so finally idle you see it and then I would. I would go back to it. I would tell Tony that I had to like go to the bathroom or something and then be like. Can you go away when you guys are out there talking because obviously you don't WanNa be overheard by people could do? It was our the like. Oh what is that like? Did you hear that? Or what is that over? The media would work. Hey look over. There are definitely think your all your your senses are heightened rate. So you're like definitely conscious of any Russell's of leaves even though it's probably just like Lizard it's not Tony in shock but like I think I don't know it's hard in that moment. I think these group idle hunt. Things are ridiculous so good on. Benford trying to hide it. I think that you know I would have had the balls to do something like that so on him for trying but I feel like I don't know I would have. I would have gone back to it. I would have I I wouldn't want Tony knowing that I am. It's interesting as you. I don't think you've ever had anybody like nowhere. The idol is keep it there and be like I'm going to come back for you later and then just pass it by. It could sound ridiculous and I might get a lot of flack online saying that because people could come back and walk on that same trail and find it but what I would do literally is tell Tony like hey gotta go to the bathroom. Maybe that would get him to walk away and then I could just grab it out of the tree put on my pants and go Yeah I think that's a good idea because there's no other super clean way to make sure that he doesn't see it. But I think what Ben did was literally the worst thing that you could have done. A follow up was just like so ben in just that it was so goofy of him like falling to his knees. Please toady forgive me and then just like still like as soon as that one moment like what are you doing and Ben Crosby like we did. It starts jumping up and down like awkward. I did for the Tourism Dodo. Let's go back to the time. We tried to get that idol from behind my back so good. That was the same as the touch. The structure moment because it was like. Can I get away with this from try? He was GonNa try you start all over his face. He looks like a little kid like yeah. I did too Jeff. It was so sad. Yes Jeff I touch the structure so dejected and it was the same thing with Tony. You're right like oh I think I can get away with this. No I also love them women as well because because deputy what would you do that would be a beds like yeah? Well you just turn the game on Sophie and didn't tell me yesterday I come on. Come on come on. Freshens are spot on you do much time on. His hands is what? I'm what I'm calling too much time on my hands and too many Tony confessionals eighteen from last episode really heart belshaw sharpened by Tony in eighteen. Oh my God and was indeed this episode Duino. I think he got a fair amount. But it's definitely more evenly distributed or we found out. I think I'm assuming everybody got one. I think even like someone like denise who do not have a large role play ended up getting a one as well which showed again that like. Do we see people amounting and insurrection against Tony? We see people's opinions about what to do with Tony. I mean all of serious content was basically about her laying into Tony. The first part of the episode I love that that continued into the next day to like there was one moment that might have like a few seconds long after the edge of extinction. It's up it cut back to the rocks and Sir who's still elegant. Tony know it makes me wonder too. I feel like like hearing. Sarah say you know if this thinks my game? I'll never speak to you again. Like Real World Shit. It made me think like I feel like she's been crossed by Tony. One too many times and she's just done that's why the next day like she's just like I'm done and hope it doesn't affect game battle. How yeah that's crazy. Yeah it was crazy. I loved the editing. Though of that too with the lake I told myself like gotta be calm or whatever. It was so you just sunk by game. Yeah Good. That was a real. It's a really interesting day. Make to be frank. I cannot believe they're still like a tight pair in the final seven able to look. I'm still astounded personally. And I think this really speaks to Sarah's game that okay the plans to get rid of Tony. Tony Wins Immunity. The plan should immediately be Toco after Sarah and they told it's not even on the table. They say okay fine. We'll go after Jeremy. Yeah so crazy to me because I feel like they're like yes. Okay we're getting down to the wire final seven but they're all thinking like I can't be Jeremy in the end. Sarah was the last woman to win survivor. Which is Insane Sarah? Somebody that you definitely need to be looking at that. You can't beat at the end you know. Yeah I mean it seems like though is something about Sarah's social game is like really translating well because I think with the the I wanNA call it like the fake plan with. Oh Tony saying they're talking about targeting. Sarah I think like that threat of Gosh maybe Sarah's endanger we have to all votes together kind of thing. I don't know there's some sort of weird witchcraft. Magic that was happening there to get people to vote cohesively. And I feel like that Sarah. Plan was somehow part of Tony's like and Sarah's probably like harebrained strategy. Because why would Sarah and her right mind if she ever felt like she was in danger. Say No please. Don't leave the idol on me which makes me think it was like somehow part of this like concocted plan. Yeah like in front. All the other castaways. Yeah she said I was just so crazy to me Tony. I'm GONNA play this idol on you know. Please don't please the idol. Which is I? Don't think we've ever seen that before of someone's like I'm going to play. This is someone says. I'm good say that I don't want it right now like I'll usually do the Malcolm right like please please clear on me. Please help me help me help you. Yeah I mean like Lauren. Do you ever see a situation where you're like no no no? I'm good like it would have been okay. Top player idle. I'm not and I think in that moment to happen. I was like Oh Shit Sara's going home because you feel comfortable you're going home and I think yeah I. It must have been a ruse or something that they they planned out. Because there's no way I would ever not want someone to play their idol for me and I mean. These people are all winners. I'm not a winter. So maybe this is like a level of game play. I can even wrap my head around. You know that could be it too. I never thought that it was a ruse but it would be an interesting way because Ben was staunchly. Anti Jeremy Right to the point where he's giving him the silent treatment he's like Tony Comes from. He's like Hey I'll give you a fire token just to listen to my plan. And Ben's like nope. I'm voting for Jeremy. No questions asked but Ben and Sarah have a tight relationship as well so I wonder if Tony was trying to play a last ditch effort. He can make up the fact that they were targeting. Sarah to Ben and Ben would be fearful of that and would say okay. I guess we'd Better Vote Out Kim then to protect Sarah. Yeah exactly 'cause I'm trying to remember if anybody else who said Sarah Tony Right? Yeah who else said Sarah. I don't think anybody else did. I don't know there's something there. There's something there that we missed or there wasn't abundantly clear. 'cause I think that would definitely be the situation then. I guess the question is like well. I guess I'm trying. I don't think Tony told Sarah that. He felt that she was unsafe. I think Tony told Ben and then bent over. Tell Sarah Yeah so that that that maybe again like the two of them are not directly communicating. It I don't know I'm trying to figure out if I mean I think Tony did something very very smart going to travel but I do believe that the votes were stacked against Jeremy going in but the the minute he starts whispering even if it's just it's just him checked with Jeremy of like. We're good right that just got everyone's paranoia spinning and it just extend it into this big thing where he was able to build up enough time and enough. Apparently false plans to get nick and Ben Affleck Votes House crazy man. I gotTA GO BACK AND WATCH WELL BEFORE. Liana does go back and rewatch that tribal council. Let's finish things off with the final segment of each and every week here on the question of the week. We asked the question of the listeners. Last week you all sent in some fantastic responses. The question of the week last week. Come up with an advantage around a crime or an illegal activity in honor of the extortion advantage last week and we got a really a lot a great submissions here and I think we sort of put our heads together here as a thing. Trust to see You know if these things could actually work out here on the island starting with Logan. You can have the vandalism advantage where you can sneak into an opposing camp and vandalize it Lauren. Do you think Lyra thought that vote. Vandalizing them by setting those birds after you. Maybe they thought they got the vandalism advantage. Yes yes definitely you. Would you like more kind of Russell hands kind of stuff like you hide the machete and noble stock? That's north style man Haydn's columnist. She's going to hide the Flint's north style. Yes Norwood of loaded then. No Yeah. That's up here all day long but I feel like Norwood of also like announced that she was vandalized. Everyone this is my advantage. This is what's going to take it from you. Logan also says the counterfeit fire token trafficking advantage. Could allow a player to sell a roll of fake. Fire Tokens for other advantages. Oh yeah that's good 'cause we I mean we saw with Jamal the fake legacy advantage so this is not too far from reality. So what do you make it out of like? Would these fake fire tokens are? They not made out of what the real one they're made out of like stone or something or plaster. Oh I thought I assumed they were made out of wood. Oh I didn't even think about this. What did you think they were made out of wood? The first thing in my head like yeah of course by it never really considered this option before like what they'd be made out of. I don't think it really matters though. 'cause doesn't it just matter of Jeff accepts it. Know who accepts fire token? There's the token bang. I don't I don't know I don't think there's a middleman there's no monopoly banker here. Production might be to be these. Things are legit will pass them onto Ethan or whatever this is an actual fire token we will accept it. I'm just imagining a dean moment. At the end north like I've got all the way to the end with the fires. Okay six hundred and forty four fire. Tokiwa what I also can. I also ask Lauren. What was it like in that moment? Like did did you know about the fake legacy advantage going into that tribal council. Because you tell you about. This seem when Dean was explaining her. All our things were like why? He made a faking. Now he's giving Jeff we I know the hell he was talking about. I was so confused. I think he was even confusing. No sense at all sir. What are you dying? I literally think all of us were like what does he talk. Or it's amazing. Nice to see you know he had. He did have a like a A. He spoke very wallet tribal and it was very like I got this and I got this whole this. I was very cute. Yeah we all have a moment of life o q but then yeah. It wasn't enough. Tomasz has an interesting idea. My idea for a crime. Base advantage is the fake multiply advantage. Which in reality would be a Ponzi scheme on the edge? You show another player actually speaking of Dean your parchment with your fake. Both apply advantage which will say that if they invest to fire tokens. Now they will receive. Three fire tokens after two players or voted out of the gate after they invest would actually pay the extra tokens during the first couple rounds to prove. It's real once. You run out of your own tokens you start paying others. From the tokens other players are investing until you convince everybody. This is real and everybody invests. Then you steal. All the fire tokens bio data is at the final challenge. By all the food you can move to the other side of the island and hide from everybody. Wanting their tokens back. We is what you're one of. The two voted out. You're on the edge of extinction right like you're the Natalie Anderson and you're like this is there's this great new scheme gone if you can get to other people in on it. You'll earn back. Double Your Fire Tokens. I should've started at Natalie could have started it right. Yeah have fired. She has like eight of them right now. I think if she in poverty split Tony's six last week and she's pretty flush right now okay. That's a very complicated. Yeah I'm confused. Actually I believe it wasn't a massive action from Dean Kowalski. Wrote this one now. It makes that ended it with everything you can do. I can do better finish off with an advanced algebra equation for some reason so I'm very confused but that makes sense. Bodey has a few also going back to vandalism you get a can of spray paint and you could anonymously paint a message that the rest of the tribe will see the quote the rob that rules. You ever see a can of spray paint on survivor before. Okay so yeah so. I guess you could add that to the vandalism league. We can kind of compile all nora with spray paint like Nora was here right rules with tax evasion when a player tries to sell you an advantage. You don't have to pay you. Just get the advantage for free but then if you get caught you have to spend some time with Richard Hatch or something. Oh I'm trying to think of another one that's like you know like financial crime like how the tax evasion one work. Because I guess that would be like you. Don't have to pay all of them or do you evade all your taxes. I don't know we need a CPA. Well here's an. Here's an interesting one election fraud. If you miss play an idol. The votes are changed. So that looks like you correctly. Plagiar- idle the same person goes home regardless vote totals are changed so for example if Tony and lost immunity and played his idol at the four three two tribal the votes would have been revealed as three for Tony. Three for Sophie. Three Jeremy and one for Michelle. So even though Tony would've wasted an idol. It looked like the vote would be absolutely crazy. This idea of like changing the vote. Total Just to make it look like you did something bananas when actually it didn't matter at all now that I lot that is awesome. That would stir up. Some major shit is this. Is this coming from the place of somebody. Who did play her idol in around that? Maybe she didn't need to. Yeah Yeah but hey you know better to be safe than sorry completely. No general in summer especially after Kershaw player right on down around that you all piled their votes onto her. Yes yes yes all right. Mohammed has a few the taking advantage. This allows you to kidnap a survivor from the other. Try to join your tribe. And unless they pay an amount of fire tokens. They can't get them back. Yes and then does the shoot. I was thinking of the game again than me. The naming game What's his name? No shoot well I was trying to think okay never mind trying to think of somebody had a name. Liam or Nissan and I was trying to come up with something on the spot but that Liam Nelson twine. Yeah just. Isn't Hannah now. Her last name is definitely Shapiro. Just getting her. Her twitter name is Anna Luminescent. So that made me think of Nissan moving on not the same thing Liam Nelson Nestled in person. Here's a here's one. The under the influence disadvantage you force US survivor to compete in a challenge under the influence. That's that's great. If that's illegal somehow just give them those like beer goggles. Oh that would be so fun. Yeah and then one of those balance endurance challenges wearing those goggles. So much fun. That's what they didn't they disadvantage someone on a challenge. Somewhere with something disadvantaged. There was somebody in the challenge when they did like the the grenades during vendettas where I think somebody had to wear like beer goggles during a challenge or something. Okay now what I was thinking of. Didn't Chris Underwood disadvantaged in like one of the early church? The first challenge to return for me but he was just giving more Nothstein tie. He wasn't like blindfolded or anything. Okay Yeah Right. Well he yeah. He wasn't giving your goggles or like pulled to take three shots and that goes around the challenge. I was just thinking if this had ever happened before. Was there precedent. I guess for being Disadvantaged Challenge Answer is Yes Aka get some beer goggles out there survivor. The final one from Muhammad is the the. I'm a let you finish pass. This allows you to stand up finale night while Jeff is reading the votes and say sorry. Jeff I'm GonNa let you finish but insert name here has had the best game of all time. It's a passenger not blacklisted. By the producers. Yeah there you go. That would be pretty funny. This get you on the side of the audience okay. Everybody we know that this other person really deserves to win right. Shoot I okay. I was trying to do it again with Taylor Swift. Someone's last name has to be Taylor. All I can think of was Taylor from Gen-x so yeah exactly Stockard Comma Taylor swift doesn't really go together. Harker Schindler says the impersonating an official advantage. You get to impersonate of producer and listen to one uncut confessional Mu. That could be fine. Yeah you get you get to pick who but it could be useless. What if it's like okay? So let me describe the challenge. Yeah exactly are like Oh man. I'm feeling so tired today. I've been thinking about cheeseburgers. Useless wonder if you have to like actually personally. An official is the goal for you to dress up like a member of production like one of the camera guys and just try to like seamlessly blend in. Oh yes no. Because there'd be like that too one smelly camera man doesn't I don't know about the sanitary habits. These people work so hard out there. I think everyone's perspiring. Everyone's probably pretty gross not aggressive but definitely sweating okay. So yeah the movie. You wouldn't notice John. John says that these spy gate advantage. Where a player gets information on. Who has an idol or an advantage? It's advantage peak. You get a chance to look at like what maybe like you either guests the person or like you just get a chance to look at one person who has an idol learn advantage. Okay yeah I mean yeah that's kind of similar to to the impersonation of essentially like how do you gain more information? Elizabeth says the mice Schema but the survivor disadvantage would be the robbed advantage. You get to visit the island of the idols with the best. Rob's Sesser Nino Boston with two babies Robert Crowley etc. They just argue over. Who is right and you leave more confused than when you got there. I Dunno get that bow tie on that Robert Rally him learn. I do want to ask when you went to like was there. A lot of discourse back and forth between Sandra and Robert were they like putting up that big front like welcome to the island of the idols. That's something that's so interesting. When we saw that it was edited together. Part OF MY TEST. I felt was to try to decide between Sandra Rob. What information would actually be beneficial because they did try to confuse us like I fell interesting us? And so when it aired. I thought they were GONNA show them like talking back and forth sort of shooting the Shat like not really talking about certain things to sort of further. Confuse me so yeah. But they didn't end up showing that they put out. What like dude deliberately throughout fake information to try to confuse you as to what the circumstances actually were not necessarily fake information but like rob so my task was to convince everyone to eat breakfast and I am just say you would have passed with flying colors this season if you went with like Kim spread like Oh yeah. She'll definitely sit out for peanut butter and chocolate. Yeah Man Like I. So the thing is though Sandra and rob both have different styles of playing right. So rob would be like you know. I would do it this way. I would go back to camp and say this and then Santa was like I would go go back to camp and say it like this and they actually tested me on what I was going to say but I kept messing up. I kept messing up on an rob actually stopped me. It was like okay. You can't say that because you know you're lying you keep up. But they both were like I would wake up. Rob said to me. I would make up talking about Bacon and then Sandra was like no. I wouldn't do that. I would do it this way so then I'm like. Oh no how am I supposed to do? But I just took a little bit of both and then you know. Everyone's hungry out there. So you talk about Moses and Bacon people are so yeah that's a man that is confusing chuck even with Kelly's challenge. They showed but I think it's because her test was to be paying attention whereas my wasn't that's but I do. That was like an element of confusion for me. The two of them going back and forth and like I actually had a moment where I was sitting there like. I'm sitting in between Robin Santa. Right now they're just battling back and forth and there's little old me and it seemed to listen and she's like you're hyperventilating right now. I'm like I've been watching you for all life and I'm sitting next to you pretty late in the game too so I can imagine like they are probably growing pretty tired of each other to maybe there are sort of like taking it out on. You well of like no rob stonger that they were bored and they were like you know all the things that you guys win We get to eat as well so keep trying to win rewards and challenges and stop in food rewards because we get all that stuff pizza and all that good stuff so native vested interest in you being successful. They wanted that breakfast anyway. Jonathan Troyer has the fence advantage which would allow someone to be the middleman between the edge and their tribe. The player gets to know what the advantages and keeps a portion of the fire tokens of spent on the advantage. So there's sort of like the fire token broker were. They know what's going on and they get a little bit off the top depending on what the price tag is Interesting that I'm just getting the Nora flashbacks to the caller thing. That's all I can think about right now. Like I cannot imagine now bro. You're talking back and forth. Either one of them like yeah go to camp and just be as vague as possible and then try to prove that you're the best caller ever man and finally from jar jar minks public intoxication advantage where you can choose a player to get a bottle of wine so they were spill their strategies to you so not even a challenge on at this point. You're just using them up so they can spill secrets. Yeah just do the Catheter. Sharman and I think you're all good to go. I Forget Lauren. Returning like major boozing going on during your season. I can't remember if there are any big rewards around the size of the aforementioned mimosas. Okay so I'm GonNa tell you a little secret so we got. We would put alcohol in our water bottles. What inspired by God? I can't believe I just told that secret. So yeah we would be very sneaky and if we won I was very lucky to go on a lot of rewards and so we would have like a designated person. We'd get three canteens and build them so one night Dean Tommy. Nora went on a SPA award and they brought back two bottles of champagne bottle of Rosa and we got hammered. We were Rashed and production comes to US and they're like can we know what's in your water bottles at that point. We had already drank everything so we're like sure go and then I remember. Oh my God this is. I'm going to tell the story Krishna I love you to death. She knows this but we were sitting. We were all hammered and we're sitting in the HAMMOCK and someone was like sing something and maybe I shouldn't tell this story whatever. I'm not okay. No I'm not gonNA tell that part but I'm going to say that like Janet and Dan we're laying in the hammock and the Hammock came apart from the trees fell on the ground. We were all laughing about forty. Five minutes wasn't drunk so yeah it was good time. That amazing God. I love this idea that on survivor. You become like that a kid in high school right alcohol in the water bottles. Oh yeah you should have seen mom. J. Drinking like sneaking over like can I have a sip like my God and then we started see. This is how they knew we were drunk. 'cause we started talking about which cameraman we thought were hot. Ask you break that fourth wall. Then they're like okay now they're really trashed because you know. We know. We're not supposed to mention the cameraman. Talk to the cameraman. And we're all usually pretty good about that but then we started talking about which one we thought were hot and then Thomas let my brothers. He's like Eggo. She thinks you're cute and the nores like. Oh yeah that one with the ponytail. I hope you guys are listening. Name was mark. He's still cute degenerates remark. That's when they knew we were. We were trashed. That's amazing. Oh my God. I really wish we've been able to see that secret. Seen care the footage message even a sip of that would have. We would have been you know. All these guys are huge. And they're drinking we were. We had the best time ever incredible well for next week. So we saw in the midst of this Tribal Council Jeff probst sort of going into like race track announcer remote. They're coming around the band and Sarah. Sitting by herself now gave me the inspiration. Let's give Jeff probst a new occupation. I want you all out there to like put him in a new job and also describe what Jeff probst be like like what is Jeff probst the birthday clown like what is Jeff. Probst The supermarket manager. Like how does he bring that? Jeff probst That we all love so much to those occupations. The bunch of ways. You can reach out to us with answers. You can use the Hashtag Rha P. B. and B. The letter B. The letter and the letter B. on social media you can email us our h. a. b. and B. Gmail.com. We're just put it out on the Internet as long as you use the Hashtag. We'll find it somewhere now. Next week I will be taking an absence. I'M GONNA be heading back onto the mothership of Rha key to talk with rob about this jam packed to our penultimate episode of Survivor. Forty so Liana will be holding down the Fort and who is coming to stay at the BNB next week. Liana well at the BNB. We're going to have. I guess maybe a little bit of a I guess it was the final three of the RHA P sequester real reason why I got kicked out right. Yeah that's exactly. We were like Oh man. We Really WanNa do this. CanNot Mike here so gotta go So yeah so we're going to have pleasing Akili and Jenny. Autumn are going to be here at the BNB with me and talking about everything from the penultimate episode. Should be a ton of fun. I'm a super excited to listen to that superior to check that out next week and again send us your answers to the question of the week. Find Jeff probst a new job and see how he does a for now Lauren. This was so much fun. Just a flock of fun. Much like a flock of unknown. Birds are flying ahead of us and into our backs. We had such a good time having nuanced talk about last season. This season overall suspenders and everything. In between yes. Thank you so much for having me. I really miss you Mike. I missed your your energy in your voice then Liana. It's so great to virtually meet you and hopefully pass will cross in person wants the world heels from all this craziness. Yes we could talk about all the of love series of love Labor of love like we just shoot and happily drink alcohol out of a water bottle with you get out of my actual canteen that I use on the show exactly and thank you for your feeling totally mutual and it's so great to have you on as well especially given all the awesome stuff redo major. Kudos for what you've been able to do as much as the world has been crazy. I've really been happy to turn not only to recaps. Because not only are they fun to look at the season but also it's a celebration of survivor after twenty years. So you being able to talk with so many alumni you being alumni yourself is super awesome speaking of that one. What do you want to plug any other shows or social media at all for what's to come in the next couple of weeks? Yeah if you guys want to follow me on Instagram at Lauren Ashley Back. That would be great got a YouTube channel enforcing my husband's shoot with me while we're stuck inside Stay tuned for some stuff with that and check out our survivor cats. If guys want got some time where here I have Bob Crawley coming on this week and yet it's going to be interesting so fun so fun. And with the Bowtie. I'm sure degrasse Tyson of survivor is GONNA main appearance. Liana what do you have going on in these final couple of weeks of survivor when it comes to podcasting? Booby assumed the mess. Yes exactly the masked booby Yeah you're talking about the mass or a singer I misspoke. We're wrapping things up with that. We have a few more weeks left which should be a lot of fun. And then of course talking about Rupaul drag race with Amman and rented that that is going on as well which we are in our top six which is crazy And then you know who knows after. Don't obviously will need some coverage so who knows go for so stupid that said this was going and I. I've reasonably forgot that there was gonna be a show hosted by Adam Scott like. Would you like to finish your sentence? I K- The Silent Library reboot that we all wanted with matchstick costumes. You can call me at a Mike. Bloom Taibbi check out these survivor alumni interviews. I'm doing this week this week. I spoke with the Jonas Osuji from survivor. One world about a winner Kim Spradlin all of his thoughts about her game. This time around very different game obviously from one world. I also encourage people if you having yet check out the interview. I did with Albert destroyed from last week at talking about Sophie. 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Liana Finck, New Yorker cartoonist, on finding confidence and and creativity in quarantine

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Liana Finck, New Yorker cartoonist, on finding confidence and and creativity in quarantine

"Hello you're listening to Culture Kyle Transatlantic Conversation from the Financial Times. I'm Gazelle Amari Brown in London and I'm Lila Raptopoulos in New York coming up on today's episode. For some reason. I like to drug greed. I think Reid is very very funny. Like it's the scariest feeling me. Maybe 'cause I was such a good little girl who tried to never be greedy. I think stupidity is really funny if you expected. Something in your expectation was filed really so he place to be any like the facial expression that comes from. Today's guest is the new cartoonist. Liana think Y- you may recognize leanna. Think her work is all over the New Yorker She has this very simple fast style of line drawings. That kind of perfectly articulate the awkwardness of being human. She's very She also has a monthly New Yorker illustrated advice column from the point of view of her dog called dear pepper which is excellent advice. Actually as a testament to her ability to articulate the things that we feel but can't ourselves she is extremely popular on instagram. She has about half a million followers Ariana Grande Day. Got In touch with her because she really wanted her to illustrate and single that came out during quarantine with Justin Bieber called stuck with you And honestly most importantly she's just an a very original person with a very unique and delightful mind and it was a pleasure to speak with her. I can't believe it's now a peninsula and of the season. I know there's a part of me that wants to say like it went by so fast but and it did go by so fast and also there was a whole pandemic halfway through it and then it went by slow but Yeah it really. I can't believe we've got one more. Yeah we have just one more episodes And fairly shortly after that. I'll be go on maternity leave so that'll be fun. Just be like sipping cocktails in the sun and having a year off Lila. You'll have a bit of time to do some writing unplanned for the next season without me. Which slightly heartbreaking to think about a now. My hope is that you're going to get very bored if your baby and start calling into the show you'll have so much time on your hands to do some cultural research and you'll have a lot of things to tell us about what we should be watching but I'm GonNa try not to think about it yet. Yes we do have to think about it. Yeah anyway tell me how. What did he been doing that weeks? I'm pretty good. Thank you I don't know how everybody else's feeling but I'm feeling slightly existential this week as it starts to become summer and So many things feel like they've changed and they just keep changing and the time frame as you know I mean it's the not knowing where I knew Yeah but I do have two very quick cultural suggestions. Grizz last episode. You had gone on a little bit of A. I wouldn't cut around I. Would you hit theory? Basically that we're being served. Poor assortment of netflix documentaries. Yes last week. I went on a bit of a round about Netflix's documentaries and how extremely mediocre many of them are. But I think we had the sense that actually we just don't really know what's out barrel. Netflix's aways because the so much and the Algorithm chooses things for you and then not always the best things I for example being served up constant baby documentaries which is not good. I should stop watching them. And Yeah and so you had the great idea of asking our listeners. To recommend the stuff that is really good and this may be a bit like buried treasure on the street forms and sort of compiling a list of recommendations. Yes so we've been getting a lot of really great stuff and one night. I was in that very scenario of like what should we do? Please no please no. Don't make me watch. Whatever the greatest homes of all time and I looked at twitter. And we had a suggestion from Martha O'Neill About a documentary called three identical strangers. It's on Netflix's in its from two thousand eighteen and I had heard of it and forgotten. You probably the same grades. I don't know if you've seen it no I haven't seen it but I remember lot of people talking about it at the time. Yeah it was Alwin like it really was a wild ride. It was extremely good. It was basically about triplets. Who were separated at birth a true story and they found each other in college and then they started to find out some darker things about how and why they were separated and holy expletive drama ensues. I highly recommend it. Yeah I'm definitely going to wash that. Also you knew my siblings twins. Oh yeah and I find those kind of dynamics really interesting so triplets is a whole other level of fascinating to me. Yeah you'll love it at the end of the show will share a couple more streaming recommendations from listeners. That's my big one for this week. My other recommendation is a short video by Martin Wolf I don't know if you've heard of him of. It feels like a joke. Like how many Martin. Wolf's take to screw in a lightbulb like nine because his mind is so big that he just does it by Moses Anyway. Bad Joke Martin. Wolf is basically one of the premier economists in the world. He's also Our chief economics commentator and Our colleague and he's also an extremely kind person who if you meet him he'll ask you about your family and Kinda cares to hear the answer anyway. Martin did a video last week where he talked through what he imagines will happen. After the pandemic is over and it really made me feel a lot better to hear it. I just felt taken care of weird way. Yeah I mean you know come as a surprise to listeners to know that I am not an economist. Are you not know have strangely But I defy Martin's way of expanding the world so clear and and I would really recommend reading his piece on after DOT COM. Yell will put the video and a few pieces that We think are kind of the best explainers for this in the show notes. If you don't have enough t subscription and you want to read most of this behind the payroll You can sign up to this free. Newsletter called the Corona Virus Business Newsletter. We've got a special link to that after DOT COM culture call covert yet at link gives you a free thirty day access to all of fd content. So you can get a full Martin Wolf back catalogue and Everything we mentioned we also put in the show notes as you know we keep saying. It's an Easter egg of excellent bonus. Content one of my favorite things about the show and That's it Chris how're you what's new? What can you recommend as well light? I mean I guess like everyone. I've been noticing that seasons changing much more than I ever have before you know just kind of looking out the window at the garden seeing the park every day and yeah I mean London is in bloom. Spring is becoming summer and in a way. It's sad because it's mocking quite how much time we've been in quarantine rate in other ways just It's very simple enjoyed for listeners. Just using outside in the summer and I've discovered an APP which so website called tree talk which is amazing You enter your address and maps out or the unusual trees in your area and designs. A Walk you nee. Sadly actually only works in London. But I'd recommend it if you live here. Yeah this is a really good way to mix things up and to sort of see your local area three refresh lens into learn some stuff about trees. That's a really good recommendation. Actually there are some APPs that do that in the US here. There's one called leaf snap. I'm sure in every area. There's a different one but I've been thinking about that grade like you kind of get used to the walk and I think there are two things that can open it up for you. One is birds and one is trees. It's like these are two things that normally sort of blur into the background. But if you learn a little bit of the language if you can like learn the sounds or the views of birds are be able to identify the trees then. Suddenly you're walk opens up. There's a lot more texture to your surroundings completely. And you just begin to appreciate. What's literally on your doorstep? Yeah and understand Cool what else So have another recommendation which is a great film. That came out as she a couple of years ago. Now Quarter one hundred twenty bpm say like beats per minute. One of the things that we've been doing during the lockdown is catching up on films that we missed in the cinema of the last couple of years And One hundred twenty PPM is one of those is a French film is set in Paris in the early one thousand nine hundred ninety s and it's about a branch of act up which is the AIDS activist group which started in New York and it pains some really vivid picture of the gay scene in Paris at that time as well as the wider culture. I mean it's a great film but it was also quite an interesting film to watch at this moment. I hadn't really thought about this when we chose it. But it's about a small group of people fighting a pandemic instead of trying desperately hard to raise awareness about it and coming up against a lot of hostility and of course the way the HIV victims then were stigmatized and the way that we think about covid victims and patients now is very different but there was something about the sense of fear and panic sweeping through community that felt very poignant and it felt like a good time to watch this film. If you haven't seen already this is such an interesting comparison that I keep hearing being made. Yeah of the AIDS pandemic to this pandemic in that like it just kind of came and no one knew wire hauer. Yeah exactly. That sounds really good. Is the great film and you can watch on Amazon prime or like me. You can rent on places like new triple Google now for Liana. Think Lila can you say a bit about why you wanted to have her on the show? Sure so Atlanta think is one of those famous cartoonist son. Instagram as I said at the top she has about half a million followers and There's kind of a group of famous cartoonists and she's one of the most popular. They're very simple line. Drawings and They just sort of give different and very relatable look at life like about needing about living in a city about being a woman about being mad. No misogyny does a lot about that. She just notices things. Yeah if you familiar with her work I would really go and have a look at her instagram. Go now while you're listening And the thing I also like about Liana think and I think the thing I like most about her is that she kind of can't help but be herself. She kind of beautifully. Articulates the awkwardness of being human S She's kind of good at at pinpointing that stuff. I'm she also wrote a brilliant graphic memoir called passing for human. That is all about that. And the way she sees the world inspires me to see the world a little bit differently and especially right. Now I feel like this clearance is a chance to be creative. But sometimes it's hard to know how to tap into that and I just felt like this conversation with Liana was a perspective that I needed and I hope listeners. Feel that way. Yeah I completely agree. I have the same feeling the other thing I will say before. We start is that we are both recording from home so she drops a lot of stuff through the interview and my Internet doesn't stretch across my house very well so I had relocated into my living room coat closet and you will be able to tell. It's going to be so nice to get back into a real life studio again and now when a luxury high are you. I'm good. How are you good? Thank you so much for being on culture call. Thanks for having me. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be listening to this podcast now. I really loved the beginnings of but I've heard thank you. I told you when I wrote you but I've been such a fan of your work and especially right now. It feels kind of like nice to have other people looking in different directions at this. Very weird period of quarantine gear. It is so weird. It's so hard to understand. We should probably start here. How are you doing? I'm doing well besides like there's been grief and that's been bad but unlike the granular level. Doing really well Introvert who tries very very hard to be an extrovert. Like I travel nonstop on doing meetings icing and I was traveling away from New York. Pretty much nonstop this past year. I wasn't able to really be myself and do my work. And so it's been of amazing for me to get to just stay home and dry and realizing that I actually love it. And I don't need to fight it so hard you had a list in the New Yorker things you don't actually miss and it included like haircuts and the fear of passing up a chance to network and being on like a very different page from others when it comes to personal space. Yeah I know I still feel like Amena different page from others when it comes to personal face at least now. I know I'm right before if someone would walk within six feet of Chapin like twice a second because I live in New York felt like a crazy person but now I'm just trying to not get everyone sick. I'm curious about how your creative processes changed in this period. Maybe you can talk a little about what your life is. A cartoonist. Is like what your day used to look like and what it looks like now. My Day used to be very strange and secretive. I was like someone in alone profession. Who likes not talk and stuff but who is also very scared of being alone so I have a nice apartment that arranged to try to lure myself to be home more but it didn't work and so I spent most of my time like riding the subway in in cafes and I love the Long Island Railroad. They would take that a gut to museums whenever I think they're not going to be crowded. Which is a mirrored haunting that? I do Mostly like when they're open at night so spent a lot of my time kind of in transit. I Love Sometimes. I would even work in subway stations than would often hide where he was from other people. Either out of shame or from privacy and any now my life looks a lot more however real cartoonist. Lifelock's I just sit a matinee desk and like out the window how do you why do you say out of shame? I think feel ashamed that I'm afraid of being alone. I think it's some kind of mental block or something embarrassed about it. I felt similarly before this started this sort of fear of being alone and might be New York fear. It might be like a fear of living in a false bubble of privacy in a very public steady. Rain Is it. S Most wearing like a cell wants to have as many molecules inside as there are outside of it and feel that way about new New Yorkers specifically. Yeah your apartment is the Sal. And you're like this one unit in this like strangely empty cell outside the cell there is so much going on and it's not right. Yeah in the beginning. I had this false assumption. That if you're not going to be in the world of New York and New York is an on the way it usually is. Then you could really be anywhere and it would matter and that actually you get stuck in your apartment and then actually over time. I started to feel that that's not true. I mean if was in the countryside it would be extremely different and there is something about being in New York. That still feels like I'm going through something with people like we're still in this together. I'm curious field. La At feel so not not lonely. I wonder if this would be only our experience somewhere else. It a lot. Of your cartoons. I like the way that you use face. One of the cartoons. I really like these three circles. That are things you can tell parents things. You can tell your boyfriend things you can tell the public and they're in these overlapping ven diagram circles but the three never fully overlap in that. Like there's nothing you can really disclose all three up saying yeah and it gets even harder when you're talking about one of the groups. Disclosing is hard and you also do a lot of on like trying to visualize the difference between me you and US. Yeah like you plot them on lines or you. Plot them in circles next to each other or near each other faraway would and was curious. I'm curious about if you could talk a little about that. I think that's bout relationships. I wasn't great at being in a family unit. I think because A. I don't like to talk all day nonstop and I think I really need decompressing time although I don't really need exactly alone time just like not being talked to time and live with someone once but hardly more serious with my boyfriend now and I'm of an age to be really thinking about the future may be having a kid or kids and Staying with him for longer and like what does it mean to be part of a group? M is the entity that you make when the two of you together does. That actually contain both of your. Is it another thing that you need to kind of protect yourself from if you want to keep yourself? Is there a self? So that's what that's what I'm thinking about. How do you feel about that in journalism? I feel like people like to come down in one place? Feel about something. And maybe that's not the case. But do you feel like you have some sense of where US fits. What feels most right to you? I feel I never feel easy about A. I don't think I feel easy about being a human thing. There's so much we require of ourselves in each other. That seems so bizarre to me. I'm sure I would feel that as an animal also Can I ask? There's things at different people will require what you mean by that. A lot of the ways that society functions that people just do like whether they like it or not. It's fine for them. I think for me feels like torture on listening to Jane on tape now. So like I'm listening to Emma and she has to go visit the Bases and she doesn't want to their these like very well-meaning very annoying women who live in her neighborhood and their poor so everyone is very nice to them and stops by to show them that they respect them in. Emma admits that she doesn't really want to visit these women. So I feel like that all the time like going to school felt like torture for me like sitting there all day holidays often torture just like preparing this leak into the place sitting like doing this thing. I don't feel like anyone really likes it. And I feel like it's so weird that you're with people you love and yet you're not really none of you are really connecting. You're just doing this kind of formal dance that you're feeling in your heart like that. Just it just shocks me and polite conversation kind of shocks me when you when you're not feeling it and stuff like that. I always I'm holidays. Feel like I'm the last one awake with whoever is awake talking to my mother talking to whoever and just trying to get to the point of connection like trying to get to the end of the night where everybody's just honest with each other and gossiping or or being earnest or connecting in some way that nobody has the whole day. You're waiting had out and men were networks. You're like oh. Holidays really are good. But can't you just get to that good place without all of that other stuff? I think other people don't feel this way. Think a lot of people kind of like other stuff and I'm not sure why I'm kind of curious about like how you notice things like when you notice them and feeling of getting the observation from your head onto a page. Do you notice the thing when you're doing it and then it comes out or does it come out. You just start drying and then it comes out there like how do your observations become cartoons or drawings for New Yorker cartoons would take a whole day to think of ideas and they wouldn't quite be from. May Life they would be Kinda from distancing from my life though now. I don't. I'm not able to take day. Thank 'cause I can't think in my own house. I can only think on a train so I've been coming up with ideas while I drive. That's that's also very different hours. Eight how were they different? Like they used to be really like on the absurdist scale like often they would be about something out the window on the train in just ten of making myself. Think of something clever about that thing like I would look at power lines and think what what is there power lines and if something made me smile that that was my litmus test do you feel like The stuff that you're coming up with his related often to this quarantine experience or no. I don't know I feel like there was only so much to say about my own quarantine experience in a set already and I think I have this fear that I'll get it wrong like it's a test. Everyone knows the ratings are and that if I talk about it they'll see that I don't get it. I think it's think it's something like shyness but yet not enough. I wish more but it's not coming. I feel like now is sort of like the ideal time to have a crisis of confidence because like we just don't have the normal in person feedback loops that we usually do And like socializing on zoom is like truly torturous. It's horrible worst part. Is that the loudest voices the one who gets to talk. Yeah that's so true. People talk about like gaining or finding confidence I guess. I wonder whether like that is being tested right now. But I find you to be an extremely confident personality. Self identify as as Shire formerly shy. But you also seem very confident and I'm curious where you in confidence comes from or where it comes from for you and also just whether that you feel that's also being tested by this time ever no. I feel confidence when I'm getting positive reinforcement and I feel very confident when I'm not like second guessing everything you think. I'm so self conscious that it's a help to me to be self conscious in. I need to kind of short circuit that I address so fast. If I juice lower I would I would be invested in the drying being nice and then I would never let it out because it would never be nice enough. Yeah it's interesting. You say that I like thinking about that. A lot and Draws me to you and your work is that you seem like you're so fully yourself everywhere I mean like you cannot be yourself I. I admire that I guess. Yeah if I don't feel that on the inside I feel like I trade. I changed drastically from depending on who I'm talking to. I think that's just how I feel on the inside and no one can see it. Which is very strange. Yeah I also think that like a lot of your work speaks to the forces that keep us from being like one hundred percent ourselves. I'm thinking else especially in your memoir but that character of the shadow you wrote a memoir where you can probably explain. Better shape head. That's like the first sign of books. Meka's cell super well is if you can't describe an you're the author. I mean if I could describe it. I mean the shadow is something that women have that encourages them to be who they are outside of the boundaries of what society wants them to be yes a living shadow and that according to the book most women lose our have lost their shadow as they grow up. And it's about the book is about may battle to try to keep my shadow then Yes spoiler alert aid realize that my shadow is a very weird scary shadow. Who makes the not able to fit into society so I drive her away and then it's about regret regretting that. Yeah you said in the memoir and elsewhere that you didn't feel like you fit in fully growing up. Was there a point where you feel like you did or did you sort of give up on the idea that any of fit in? I started yelling like I fit in when I was twenty three years so at a fulbright to go to Belgium I felt comfortable with those people and it was such a new experience for me. This was the first time it felt comfortable with friends I liked my friends when I was really young. I didn't have a lot of friends but I like the ones they had. But then something happened. Pretty Pretty Young. I just stopped feeling like I had anything in common with my friends and I went to a small Jewish school in a suburb and I didn't live in the suburbs. I lived in the country. Being in school was really hard for me is just too much going on and I was shy. I was that I would forget words. All the time in it was hard for me to have a conversation so being in a country right in speak the language that was okay like there is no shame associated with that So so that's what's good for shy people in living somewhere else. I think so. That was good also like getting a grant is a sign of success in I think Anita the confidence it was. It was really nice to have that nice thing and feel like I wasn't a a weight on society for a second. Yeah now that you have such a following. What does that feel like? How do you feel about same? What's your relationship to it especially considering the loneliness that you felt growing up. What will first of all I don't feel famous but I do feel I've I feel like somewhat successful or like me like I feel. I don't feel shame I guess so. The lack of shame is so nice and of course I still sometimes feel shame like if they don't sell cartoons for Awhile. I feel like I'm going to lose my apartment Ah very familiar terror But it's not it doesn't like is not like a blanket that I'm just living with all the time. Mets so that just feels so right like not carrying around this. Wait anymore Having strangers like my work is really nice. 'cause I feel so much more comfortable around strangers than around people I know I don't i. Don't blame them. Boy knows he may work person. Likes it keeps dropping things. I'm so yeah. So that's good overall on my feet are entirely asleep. So we're all we never obstacles right now. Yes so the thing I don't like about it. Is that when a stranger writes me an email or something either a mean email or like an email that assume presumes a nomi- when they not only it really freaks me out and on never get used to that one thing. I'm wondering is I'm finding that a lot of people feel that they have a little bit more space to be creative now than they used to and yet. It's sort of hard to access if you're not used to accessing it like one of my favorite cartoons of yours is you have these lists of Things you like popular things that you dislike and the popular things you dislike like TV and sitting on the beach and learning for fun and unpopular things you like are like cleaning in rats which actually I'm curious about. Do you like rats. No I'm just curious. No one New York rats because they have a personality that I think he's a very integral part of our city. I've never been. I've never touched a rat so full disclosure. I don't know if I would like rats if Iraq came walked on me in my sleep or something. There's something so nice about living in in a place that's for humans but with animals in train. The city like we can be outlawed whenever we want we could walk all over and then if we see a rat it's amazing it's like nature garden after all it's so Kohlhaas. How do you feel about the birds in New York so good especially lately each of inputting birdseed on? Minoan like just like looking up to my wife. Don't like seeing a bird alad time in it's funny love. Pigeons Love Pigeons. Woody live pigeon's partly that they're gentile in. It's partly that they're not gentle. It's confusing pigeons. This great mix of like people but a little bit better like a little bit more gentleman I think and they fly and seeing them in a flock is so beautiful. Evan actually seeing them less lately in quarantine wonder. I wonder why maybe they've taken over time square. I hope so in the do a like pigeon. I think they're okay. I just I've had like so many lake one offs pigeons. They're just they're so comfortable with humans like that's very upsetting but it's interesting to hear you say there's something about them that's like humans yet they take advantage of the city and they got it. They also enjoy living in squalor like us. Yeah I mean part of why I brought up. That list is because when I saw it I screen shotted and I thought okay. I gotTa make my less like water. My unpopular likes in popular dislikes. And I just. I felt very sad because I couldn't get into the head space to do it. I just couldn't do anything and I'm like thinking about all the other people that are like me. Who are sitting. There has is with this freedom to be creative like let their brain and free associate and just like not being used to it and feeling so well. There are so many different ways of being creative and it's very hard to start a new way. And what do you do? What what can people do like? I'm trying to right and it's very hard because you don't know when you're doing it right when you're not. I think it's really nice to have feedback and until you're at a point. Ray still allowed to get feedback. It just feels weird. Also I think it's good to like list why it's hard and a lot of fat in your own lack of creativity. A lot of that is that you're not plugged into the infrastructure to feel like it's a useful thing for you to be doing Do you think it's hard to do because it would be kind of out of character for you to post that on social media and so you wouldn't in some no one will see it and so are you doing it like that's not about you. Yeah and then and then you're free to do it. What is your favorite thing to draw right? Now that's a really good question. I've been drying a lot of like people scenes. I think it's easier for me to draw interpersonal. Seems now that not having them because whenever a drawn New Yorker cartoons found drying a cocktail party or something main thought is that like? This would be really scary like why. Why focusing on the witty conversation these people are having when there's like a guy elbowing his way through the room over there like bats would have my attention but now that I'm that I'm distanced from that. Terror can focus more easily on the this imaginary cocktail party. I'm working on a book but I don't know if that's my favorite thing to dry right now. I think I'm liking drawing characters and like silly facial expressions on them even more than usual. That's the nuts and bolts of what I actually like to draw. Why unlike emotion? I feel very attuned to emotions and I think facial expressions are the best way to depict emotion into explore it. And also it's the funniest thing in the most relatable thing to me. If I'm dying like a landscape it feels like busy rick. It's not interesting to me and I can't imagine that it's interesting to anyone else. What's the hardest facial expression to depict a man? I guess like those scenes where you have like the man at the desk interviewing another man like what is that. What's supposed to be on his face? I don't I've never had that feeling or that hairstyle. So like how can they? How can I dried if I can't feel it? And what comes most like? Or what are the ones that like? You like exploring the types of questions that you like for some reason. I like to draw read. I think greed is very very funny. Like it's the scariest feeling to me. Maybe such a good little girl who tried to never be greedy and also like confusion is really funny and disappointments is really funny. Wise it funny. I think stupidity is really funny. Like if you had if you expected something in your expectation was filed. That's really selling place to be in. Yeah any like the facial expression that I don't know if you feel this way but in children my sisters have children and their facial expressions are so select. The purity of feeling is you know it's the it's the most pure version of disappointed or angry or sad or whatever they're like cartoon versions it's not complicated by more and now I miss. I miss just being a person instead of a person under all these layers event trying so hard to socialize myself. I don't know what the game it has been at a note. There is any gain. So what do we do know Maybe there is game. I don't know if they're if it's bad. Yeah is a part of me. That wouldn't mind getting rid of a lot of that stuff. Yeah I don't know how can I think we need like one person to do it? As the test experiments and see whether they survived the and if they do more of. Us can try. Yeah that would be like a terrible net flicks reality show just like someone starting to like cry in public and stuff. Yeah what are you working on now? I mean he said that you were working on a book. What is your book about? The book is about. It's called black there. The white it is the book of Genesis of from a slightly Jewish perspective told with the female guide. He's childlike creature. I'm treating it as a series of stories because the book of Genesis is series of stories each about Bike kind of barring male protagonist. What interests you about Biblical stories. Rewriting them I grew up in a Jewish royal like I went to Hebrew Day school and my family was relatively observant. And so it's May culture but it's so it's so male. I do feel strongly angrily feminists but also sometimes use it as a metaphor so a can't belong to religion that doesn't allow women in but they don't think that's the whole truth. I think part of it is just that I think maybe communities kind of bore me So I have like such a strong love of it and also. I've never quite found my place in it in Judaism so I think this is my way of signing my place in it so you can kind of rewrite the aversion. That feels like you can stand behind it or yeah. Yeah I to describe may own guide like if this were the guide than this would be happy in this religion but if it's not then a then I'll always have kind of push with it. It feels sort of empowering to feel entitled to rewrite the Old Testament no it's a thing it's a trope comics artist doing the Old Testament but so far I feel like it's been a ladder men doing and at least the art Kremlin is so literal. It's like why like. Why did you need to just make more literal? It's already brady later on when I read. It feels more like reading this. Ancient wonderful epic the epic of build measure. Something I wanted to bring Matt Out Yeah I Kinda wanted to join a bandwagon and I wouldn't. I would never have presumed to do it. Editor asked me if I would want to do it and I thought if he didn't think it was an unoriginal idea then I shouldn't care either. Did you change the messages of some of the stories yet? The Emna changing a lot of characters. But I am making God. The focal point want the. I want the men in the stories. Just to be kind of pawns. In God's story like I wanted. Yeah someone who's like me? Who's of watching these self-satisfied dudes by land and stuff so are you God yeah that's also So I have to last very short questions for you One is I would be remiss not to ask about Your your collaboration with Ariana Grande Justin Bieber. It seems like Arianna Grandes slid into your DM's specifically to illustrate a single that. She came out with with Justin Bieber. Called stuck on you. Yes she did. Tell me that that she just look into mighty hands that's it. She was very nice. She s need to illustrate the cover. I didn't talk to Justin Bieber at all. I didn't know he was going to be involved in the project until a little later but yet made my day I was trying to not feel shy around her but at the same time to not be annoying to her which is kind of a paradox and I hope she's doing good she's awesome. Yeah Yeah I like this. I like the song and the video. It's so cute editor. No I'm not good. At working for her client. unto diffidence in Array. So I just draw what I think people are asking me to John. It did it. I wish I could have given them the world that I did what I could My last thing is just a lot of our listeners are writing into give kind of cultural recommendations. Talk about what they've been reading or watching. Do you have any recommendations for people who aren't used to reading graphic novels? Or where would you start? Okay start with Pretty much anything by Gabrielle Bell and left a buffet her that came out recently called. Everything is flammable and rise chests. But can't we talk about something? More pleasant came out may be van years ago in it towards a forest. It's so good it's like it's about taking care of her older parents and watching them get sicker anti in a love. A series of books better character named Wendy Walter Scott. It's like so he gets all these other facial expressions right. It's about the art world so mean and smart and like so good. I love mean art about the art world. Yeah me too. It's so rare to have the comics artists who's also actively in the art world's most of us like fled the art world like me he's like our insider are inside spy. Leeann thank you so much. For being on the PODCAST. I really this is such a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. This is really fun. Yeah it was so nice to like get out of the pandemic for you now both be able to explore it and be able to escape it so thank you. I hope you're safe in that closet to go be okay. It seems like the safest place to be loved the interview. It was It was a real pleasure to listen to you. Liana think is so brilliant Yes I love for rats and pigeons in the way that she said they get about how to live in the city they do was one of many over the thing about everything she says. You're like yeah that's true. It some is always interesting hearing an artist of speak about how they work and how they sometimes have to get out of their own head. Yeah She was talking about the fact that she feels like she's a self conscious person. And one of the reasons that she draws. So fast is because that short circuits herself consciousness. Made me think that actually when you're doing something creative and you're really laboring over it You can get so precious about it and it really makes the thing itself worse and I liked the her answer to is just speed like just keep moving. I totally agree. And there's so much amazing work that's hidden behind people who don't feel like deserves to be seen or people who don't feel like it's good enough yet and I also liked the point that she was making about like us deserving feel entitled for our work to be seen and that the people who feel less entitled. Maybe it's even more important that work get seen. Yeah because she captures so well that feeling of feeling quiets or feeling where feeling out of place And I think when you go on her instagram that's kind of the theme really is kind of You know witnesses almost like it's more profound. The new quickness in a way. It's like a feeling of dislocation. Ultimately am which you know is sometimes quite hard thing to talk about as an adult. Lots of children's stories are about being the odd one out to you know neom quite fitting in at school but it strikes me the right now. That's a really big common feeling that you know. Socializing and communicating with people has never felt more awkward and yeah more sort of Joe not love when she said Zoom that you know the loudest voice is the one that guests to talk like some kind of awful party where some some person is just booming at you and you can't get a worden. Yeah it really. Does I think what she does. So well is feeling you know. She said she's not interested in landscape that she draws emotion and at one point she asked. How can I draw it? If I don't feel it which I thought is really true of hope project really. She's a unique mind that Can allow herself into some place of creativity. That simplifies a complex world. Yeah or maps it. In a different two dimensional way that makes us see it better and clearer and And it just feels good. 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It's mindy killing show and the first episodes a little silly but it's very mindy failing and it just gets better and better Deals with grief in a very thoughtful excellent way. She also recommends Tiger tail. Which is a film from Alan Yang? The CO creator of Master of none. It's a family drama about a man who moves from Taiwan to the US based on his personal history. That's just a taste many more to come. We are still collecting so keep sharing culture call it. Fda DOT com or anywhere else that you can reach us and we will have a big list for you next episode stay tuned. Thank you as always listening. You know we love hearing from you. Of course you can always find us on twitter at F. Controversial or on instagram at Lila rap and apt Griselda Maree. Brown is a short form. You can fill out. Which is Lila's favorite asked dot com slash culture? Call out if you like what you hear the best way you can help. The show is to share this with your friends. 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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 39 Episode 13 with Pooya Zand Vakili

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 39 Episode 13 with Pooya Zand Vakili

"Some game right off sounds law along by himself as the R H a day a lay off can sell you the our ASE Hi everybody welcome to the G. P. BNB episode thirteen of survivor the island of the idols. My name is Mike Bloom your to get into yet. Another very eventful an interesting episode of survivor thirty nine nine. I am joined by a pair of individuals who are as clean and colorful as the pair of Nikes that has apparently become a main in story. Point Liana Boris. How surprised are you that we planted that flag and it was somehow discovered weeks later? Yeah I like to think that it was somehow inception in uh-huh because as soon as norris started talking about his shoes I was like. Oh my gosh like Mike brought this. We've discussed this and now it's happening. It was very very very exciting. our guest this week frequent guests on the BNB lovely individual and Co host of the mass singer. Wrap Up. Are you a shoe guy. Hi It's so. How do you rate Dean sneakers personally? We'll do a latent buffer snuff so as as far as the shoe guy goes. I own shoes. I wear them for necessity. So yes Meshu Guy. I'm not a sneaker heads. I can't quite look at a pair of kicks and be like this is really good. I do like the color combination on his sneakers and that had noticed them before so for them to to get their own spotlight a little bit and a little bit of view for everyone. I like that I imagine going to throw those on Ebay at some point and make bank Dean Bay. That sounds like it would like his significant other. Could call him Dean Vais. Yeah I can't wait to see. See the fan account Dean Bay at this moment with them photo shopping like or maybe like a filtered picture of all the stuff that Dean did because I mean it was a big episode. It was a big episode in general and look I will not do the big introductory statement that we did during our merger episodes podcast but suffice it to say look we are refunding Games podcasts. And we intend to be fun games podcasts for the rest of this installment. But let's get the Dan stuff out of the way here now. We'll say upfront front. If people don't want to necessarily hear that conversation totally understandable if you want the fun and Games just cut to about the nineteen minute mark. But I feel it's important to at least broach the subject. Because I know that we have opinions on it. The survivor community at large has opinions about Dan's ejection. From the game. After we I heard about a warning in the merge episode and we'd seen several other incidents and appears at the end of the episode. It was informed that off camera incident involving a non on cast member and Dan was finally the straw that broke that camel's back and led to Dan being the first player. I would say formerly ejected from survivor survivor and leaving a lot of people. Very confused and upset. I would love to take the temperature of the room and get your thoughts as to this moment the scene this season etc.. Leon I want to start with you. I mean needless to say I'm not happy about the way that this whole thing was handled. I mean and we don't know the full story here from what it looks like and what people have commented on there does seem to potentially be legal action. That's happening right now so I. I don't know how much that plays into how survivor can then handle this whole situation but from the way it looks. It looks like when a player brought four allegations against Dan it was ignored and then when it happened to somebody in production that was action was finally taken and this is something that for me again just looks like the real world where when you have have people who are in power. They're the ones that actually make something happen. And don't listen to those. That are you know. I don't know beneath them. Maybe just because of the way that the power dynamics of survivor are like it feels like the contestants are you know sort of underlings ish and so that's what is so incredibly audibly frustrating to see. It's like this is why believe women like this is why you need to listen to the allegations that are happening and additionally like it's it's just oh my God it just drives me crazy that you know then the way that survivor wants to handle this with like two quotes about Tommy and Janet saying about how we need to to move on which I get it from the TV show perspective. They're going into the finale. They need to move on but when stuff like this happens we have to talk about it. We have to acknowledge it because otherwise it will continue to happen. I mean so that. That's what's really frustrating. But with the whole all potential legal action and I feel like is going on. I don't know but I'm just disappointed. I'm sad really. Don't WanNa be here and talk about the episode by. Do you want to be here because I wrote a choose your own adventure. I'm super excited. But how deary survivor like. Don't make me feel this way. So that's my rant for now and Dan I'm okay. It's Liana touched on pretty much everything that I was thinking. It's just it's not okay. The way they went about this I was watching twitter after all this went down and some of the replies we've seen not from our community necessarily maybe from within the ceremony. There is still a lot of people that don't understand the the wrongdoings here of both the portrayal and the way it was handled. And this is like you know there's something that is happening the real world and something that people need to learn about understand understand better and process better and we're not necessarily seeing that then. It's hard to have that happen when the show was not handling it in a way way that would allow that conversation allow that education. That is so necessary in the day and age that we're in so it is disheartening to see and it is pretty irritating the fact that it had to happen to someone not within the scope of the game for them to make the executive decision and then for them to a couple of weeks back talk about how well they said. They didn't want to have him pulled so we didn't do that. So as far as everything goes I am very sad. That one of the shows as I really love handled this the way they did and I can only hope that moving forward. The conversation arises continues educates educates and allows us to move forward to a positive place of understanding with the things that happened in our world and how to handle them and how to understand them because because twitter specific lymphoma social media for a second is a place where we all get to collect Wednesday nights and talk about the the ridiculousness of this show and talk about the fun and you know give our viewpoints and make little jokes here and there and when something serious this happens that stuff needs to be on pas on we need to talk about it and we do but then when you get replies where people still do not grasp do not understand you believe women in situations like this you try and understand understand what is going on you try and be a better person through this process and to still be in a situation where you're trying to well there's not really evidence like my the guy. This is on live television. We have seen this hit prime time on a Wednesday night on a show. That is a reality TV. Social experiment type game. Understand that this is. I can't even. It's just frustrating to see replies like that because gotta show us how toxic some people can be. It's not okay so I want to personally a separate what actually happened there on the island versus the presented product. Because I think to Leon this point we haven't gotten the full story as to what exactly this incident was outside the slate that we were shown. I know there are certainly rumors that have have popped up even just from presentation perspective. I can understand how I guess in terms of a portrayal aspect. They might be a bit hampered by certain in things to not exactly show things in a certain light maybe to avoid any sort of legal action but it feels like if feels like this was a failure on the show for its audience. I know that after the merge episode there was a lot of talk specifically from Josh in his really beautiful awful final speech on the wiggle room about how he felt bad that the show didn't present a warning didn't provide resources for victims of sexual harassment and sexual actual assault afterwards. And I personally had held out a bit of hope of okay if Dan does end up getting removed. Maybe that's when they do this. You know maybe they were waiting for that other Dean esque shoe to drop so then it could present those resources and it happened and they I did it. And that's what makes me ultimately disappointed because I feel horrified for anyone who has had any any wound or trauma reopened by watching this happen because they were not prepared for it whatsoever and they should have been even. If if there's a little warning that POPs up there was something that popped up during the merge episode didn't pop episode and that is alarming to me. I guess in retrospect so you know if you have to put this removal somewhere. I'd rather have it at the end of this episode where it unfortunately obviously overshadows Elaine's really beautiful exit which I'm sure we'll get into later on the podcast but I would much rather have this and give people watching at home especially those with kids a few days Ason decompress and talk it over then showing it at the beginning of your finale and fundamentally changing the narrative for those next three hours you know that it's not going to be about X.. X person winning. It's going to be about. Dan Got removed this at least divorces that from this big live event that they want to do. I'm just. They had months to figure out how they wanted to do this. And I can't imagine this was the best possible way. I'm really disappointed in that regard. Just that I wish maybe something's had been consulted. I wish that there have been more of a plan in action to survivor prides itself on its audience and having having these loyal fans season after season and I kind of wish. They acknowledged that a bit. In this case of look we know this is a very traumatic. Viewing Experience Rian for some people. So let's take an opportunity to educate and let's step outside our box first second and really underline a why this is wrong and be how how you can help people who might be in similar situations out there. Yeah I agree I think ultimately with the decision of including it in this episode versus having it in the finale although if you have the finale which is essentially a three hour block of of time that they can use for whatever they want. The finale is our rush but now with five people I mean. Maybe that's win. If you feel like you're on a time in this episode to have time there to talk about got it but I do also feel bad for the other contestants because whoever the winner is of this season I mean. That's not what we're going to remember so like for that and especially if it's someone who's a fan but at the same time there are huge real real world. Applications here and survivor has fifteen sixteen million viewers and this is just an opportunity. That was not only missed but but also just completely mishandled and so that. That's what really frustrates me about. This whole thing. Yeah I I want to present a question to you guys because now that we know how Dan Story ended and let me just say that I I personally would love to just not mention the guy for the rest of the podcast as I. I feel like you know. He violated multiple offenses on multiple incidents. And so I do not feel like honestly he deserves to get mentioned or the rest the time here especially when we're trying to bring some lighthearted and fun to the podcast atmosphere but now that we know his full arc. There has been a lot of questioning as well as to you know. Should the show have purple him. I know there's been some talk of like should after the merge episodes should they have said. Hey just Dan's going to be removed down the line and almost remove any any sort of mentioned of him in the Post Merge episode. I think that some people felt that his presence on screen even after those merge episodes even when he wasn't doing anything the thing at least on camera that was a follow up to that handsomeness was still unsettling to them. Where do you guys ultimately? Come down I guess on the portrayal of Dan on between these two incidents as it were. Would you have preferred that. It was shown a way knowing the course of events I mean from after that merge episode I was seeing him on screen just was a gut punch. It felt like each time it was it was really really challenging knowing ultimate. Awesome it like if I had known at the time that he was ultimately going to be removed. I don't think it would have helped it also. Yeah I mean I don't understand because he wasn't I mean it clearly like he wasn't central to the story right like you can tell the story through the other contestants that are there and so it just felt like it. Is it necessary to have him you know giving a sort of generic confessional that someone else could have given to set up what was happening. You know so. I don't know I I think they could have given him less screen time. I would have been very happy if that have been the case. I completely co-signed that. I think the only place where he did something that that was separate enough that they should have talked about. was that one. Vote where charisma nullifies everything in his one vote was the reason they were able to revoted voted and that was probably the only thing I can think of everything else. He was like one of the lemmings in the alliance doesn't really matter even in this episode. When we're talking about the the three guys may be broken down and making a guys alliance? There were two other people that we have heard from instead so there were moments where I think having him on the screen wasn't necessary and was just triggering because it takes us back to everything that we saw go down and that's all we're thinking when we see him and even even at moments where there's like eight other people in challenges were getting zoom in on this guy just felt felt just like we were being ignored. This whole thing was kind of being pushed to the side of like. Hey nothing happened between episode he posts merge until this episode. Here where. It's GONNA pretend like it didn't happen happened and I don't appreciate that. So let me provide an interesting sort of devil's advocate inserting the connotation to Dan. But I did see a comment pop up in the ROB has a podcast patron group. That had a lot of really great. You know discussion around this complicated issue in it and I saw someone post something where they were actually a little Ol- grateful with the way they edited Dan in the Post Merge. Because first of all I would say that outside the scene with his son. It's been overly I wouldn't say overly but at least it's at least it's been tinged negativity. I don't know exactly if they really went back to like. Yeah he's just a normal ordinary guy. I think there were still moments where he was being negative overall but I think she been this really interesting point. Where whether intentional or not survivor Kinda showed how people who do this type of Horn behavior exists in the real world? The Art like Big Evil Villains twirling their mustaches. They're normal people and almost showing Dan as a regular alert player in the game. Hopefully make some people realize how prevalent these people can be without even realizing it. You have a son counter like oh he wanted to do. He's a dad or you know he's he works in this career just like you said in the merge episodes like he works In the in Hollywood he would never do this but in a way and again I don't know if the editors here's intended to do this or not but in showing that the way that they did it was almost telling the audience you can't say hey this di- didn't do anything because blank. Because even the most normally displayed people can certainly do activities that are beyond the Pale. Yeah that's actually a really really good point and I think that that is one of the common comments of people who defend these those who commit these types of actions of like. Oh but he's such a good guy like they never would do that Blah Blah Blah and. It's like oh well yeah he did and yes like he is a father. He has a the kid. But just because you have a child that doesn't mean that you're not capable of doing like horrible things so Actually yeah I do really like that now that I think about it although it took that comment for me to think that way so I don't know exactly what that says also because then every single time afterwards like it was like I just wanted to close is my eyes so yeah I don't know but I like that. I like that point. That's very very interesting thing that gets raised up because I also had not thought of it that way at all but I definitely feel like I'm more closer to co-signing and agreeing with that now because watching him you you know if we're going to just look at his game after he's still mingling with people people like him the people that are like him but again we know oh the truth we know what has gone down what transpired so it is a good lesson in understanding that people that do certain things can still provide provide a perception of themselves that they are nice that they are a family man that they are amazing loving caring people but they're still capable of doing very very hurtful things without you knowing and it does make it a situation where where we just saw happened and so I guess in hindsight thinking about it if I'm going to take a silver lining from having seen him that is the lesson I wanNA take out of it anything else. Either one of you want to mention about Dan before we Ban The name from for the rest of this podcast. I'm good with the van Damme please. So before we move onto more funding games. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. Let's keep on keep keep an eye on all right. Well let let's move on here because this was an interesting episode. Even outside of that you know. I think when I was watching in the moment it sort of felt like the the most wrote outcome of the season so far which you know him is saying something considering that this has just been absolutely bananas season in terms of the votes. Elaine was the first on the chopping block. After this big Brouhaha tribal council we go through the motions here but I guess from an emotional equality perspective. They've there's definitely some stuff there with the lane. I loved how full circle her tribal counselor. Jeanie was commented on this when I talked with her where the first I five council the season which I got to see she was on the chopping block for being too likeable and she has this moment where she's like breaking down saying like. Please let me we stay. I need to fill my cup up. You know don't Rami of this experience. Just because you think I'm too likable down the line. It looks like final destination style. It all came back once again and where I think. She's a lot more defeated here. She's a little less pugnacious and she wasn't that Earth Travel Council where she saw the writing on the wall but it was still very emotional. Hurt you reconcile missile. This parrot with her own life experience. And so we're watching the episode in that light. It made me enjoy more. There was also some interesting stuff for the the game where we start to find out a bit of laurens opinions on how she feels about. How she fits into Tommy's endgame so it doesn't feel like a straight pegging or if it does is it feels like we know what the others are thinking? Do either of you have any thoughts about this episode. Outside of those last few minutes I mean it was quite a swansong for our elaine real emotional like Janet supporting her just made me so happy. I'm sorry I haven't had my daily dose of I love Janet. Yes go ahead and say I love Janet so much I wanNA be Janet The whole the whole tribal council. Actually I thought was pretty interesting using especially because we started out with Boston rob mocking dean for stretching flexing before flexing. There was a lot of Dean which I was totally only here for in this episode. Nora hiding deans shoes. Like if I do go back and like you said my kind of look at the episode you know it is something that was enjoyable. Unfortunately absolutely you know that it was tainted by the last few minutes and the whole season obviously just feels awful but but we think about it by itself. The fact that you know I I don't know on the island of the idols. The yes no coin flip is used as the jury for the jury like all of that stuff was so insane I it was pretty goofy. The fact that Dean is like this focal point highlight of the episode comes out. Can't reach for shoes. Weight has his the shoes. And now he's flipping this coin and he's like boasting about his fake advantage. which now we will never find out how it plays out? I mean I. My a hunch is that he's bringing that the final tribal council and he's saying like Jamal. I still got this baby and then Jamal says I got some news for you. That's so so I did see that somebody commented on I was like Oh thank God like at least because otherwise. We're never going to pay off for it. But if he tries to brag about it at the final tribal council. Oh it's going to be Gloria. I'm here for it. I'm very here for it and being convinced by Boston. Rob that hey flipping. This coin is a big move for you and be like all right. I'm GONNA do it. And then he does it and then it's yes and he's just besides himself he loves it. I enjoyed watching him lie. But give like a truth of like what the structure was but then lie about what he went for an lie about getting it so the only detail omitted was a the coin coming up yes and be the third option that ended up paying like He. I think he did the best job of you. Know when you lie. You should contain some elements of truth. So it doesn't feel completely fabricated and plus at that that point everybody except Tommy and at that point Dan had been to island of the idol. So it's not too outrageous of story as if he went in like week four life and what was that the idol. That's only good for the next tribal council but it cannot be played on yourself like what I don't know I mean I guess you could. You could like try to fake it as your own idol and then at the last minute like put out a travel accounts like I'm playing this for myself and then when the votes come and be like okay. I'm going to give this to Janet and so maybe you could pull off something like that but I mean I don't know I personally like advantages that you have to sort of combine forces with another person. That's why I said back in extinction. Not a huge fan of how the shared idol came into the Game Him but I am appreciative of at least idols. Such an individualistic activity. That I'm always here for when you have to sort of tell people as a result but yeah it's to weird advantage especially to bring in at the hour we could you have it. You can't play it on yourself. But what if someone else played it on you was would that account. I guess he's if he gave it to. Tommy Tommy played it on him. Yeah I wonder why I wonder if it's just like I guess we can call anybody the middle. No matter who's playing dean cannot be the one wearing the anti denial to everyone. It's an idol to Dina to stick basically certainly. Let's start getting into this episode because we have a lot of fun stuff prepared and let's start with again. The person who went out I in this episode are Sweet Lane Start Ends up going out here right before. The Finale Lane was a big fun character. I can say that from first firsthand experience gain to talk with her and see her interact with probst especially in those first few days of the game but Liana how did you think was going to do. preseason Okay Elaine said that that she was chicken noodle soup first of all which somehow very fitting like I can totally see that and I had elaine making the finale woo. ooh Love all right. Elaine is so obviously she had to be cut before the final three because she easily would've won this. It was a no brainer for the remaining four players. Elaine soared through the game relying on her superstrong social game but unfortunately she was. Everyone's best friend but but no one's best ally. She did have a long alliance with Jack in the chicken soup alliance but with him gone she was up the creek without a ladle vilain. You see you in a returning players season. I like better than what was it last week. Remember by girl alphabet girl. Yeah because it's alphabet soup of viral by. I mean you pretty much on the money that we're on the the noodle as it were with your predictions for her either very similar type of thing I had ever making the jury right definitely had her along that track of once she made it past that first. Tribal Council you know considering how much people rallied. Rallied around her to the point where she didn't even get a vote from Ronnie Aaron. I felt like she was going to be at least pretty well insulated for the time being. I'm sorry to say she'd have the most heartwarming. The family visit. I said she become one of the most notable contestants of the season and I said she'd definitely get a hug from Jeff probst on the way out because she it's probably I know that Jeff like had a lot of fun with contestants like Christian. But I can't remember a contestant since General Jonathan Penner that has had as much back and forth with Jeff probst polling. She was very contagious. I really enjoyed everything we got with a lane and the whole season I was thinking. Okay so you know who's returning from this season I and then you think of a lane I kind of put her in the same position as like Lauren. Rimmer and maybe a rim daily. And I'm like who like picking one on who's going and after this episode in particular. It's Elaine she's just very fun to watch. He talks with. She gets along with everyone and like you said she has good banter. Enter with Jeff with pretty much everyone else confessionals great and just like chicken noodle soup she's good for the soul so very fulfilling with seeing Elaine and Leon I know you're winning all of these anyways but just for formalities. You get the point Nice I liked. Elaine's elaine quote the immunity challenge the Ono words. So it's so good and I did actually check out the survivor facebook page. We're not doing casual corner this week but I was curious to see actually about how they responded to the Dan Stein especially after say even the Elaine staff last week when the seemed the consensus opinion was I hate everybody. You know fastest which So the only post that the survivor facebook page put out probably on purpose. Usually they do a couple couple for the week was just Elaine Goes Ponderosa and the it was you know a thousand over a thousand comments and majority of them were I love Elena lanes the bust like so as far as I'm concerned it is one hundred percent GonNa happen that Elaine will be back on returning players season and what I what I love about elaine too is that she builds this positive energy and attitude from what seems like a very tragic life and I realized that from the Gecko and I sat down with her like she seems like a very infectiously joy spirit like you guys are talking about but then she goes into this whole a story and she talks about it this tribal councils well you know. She recently lost her mother The second time she applied for survivor she applied a total of three times but she applied once in her twenties thirties and wants her forties and her thirty. She had just lost her grandfather and like devoted herself like buried herself in farm work. Sort of like get through the Grief Oregon on mother is one of the closest people in her life and she had health complications and she wants to do this for her. So it's like she is someone who you know. I know we talked about Janet being being inspirational but Elaine is very inspirational as well and being able to really smile through the pain and she is someone who. You're a little surprised at the tribal council. We'll get a someone who is so a rockets and jocular as she is being like. Yeah you know. I've been unlucky. My entire life. Nothing ever seems to go my way. I just think the way that she's able to get through life. It's such a big smile on her face. In spite of everything that's happening against her is just very heartwarming. And very inspiring where like even on our toughest days we can look at ways to power through that storm and someone like Elaine is a shining beacon as an example of that. Yeah I one hundred percent agree. She just like like when she you know she wrestling missy or was it missing who she was running the joy the fund the goofiness like. She's somebody who I would absolutely love to hang out with breath without a shadow of a doubt all right. Well puja returning things on to you we I. I am very intrigued. Intrigued to hear the lesson. You brought for Liana and I learn this time around aright classes in session. Just want to add As far as Mary's lesson goes last week. I am mayor of procrastination station. But one thing I do when I procrastinate is I I overdo overdo where then I'm like. Oh my God I got. I pulled a lot of things for you today. So as you may be aware spotify did their two thousand nineteen wrapped where they gave everyone their personalized top. Ten list of what they listen to genres our spent Jonah artists etc.. So I took something from there to some inspiration and I brought you the lesson of charts and stats specifically top ten charts and stats bats and just to quickly Lincoln to how it pertains to survivor. These are things that highlight performance. They rank things they allow you to monitor placement. It's all of these are important when you're playing the game because you have to be aware of where everyone stands what the power rankings looking like. WHO's kind of on on the top? Who's right above you on the placement? Who's beneath you so that you can assess what moves you need to make the benefit yourself to climb the charts So would would you say in. That regard is dean like a rising star. Is he like the choice of van. This cast in the recent meteoric rise in his. I would say so I would say I'd say someone like us. Viewers are looking at Tommy. Like Oh my God Tommy is GonNa win time. He's GonNa win. He's kind of like the regular you expect to see being placed on the choice. I kinda like an eminem where it's like. I know I'm going to be in the list even though EMINEM's not really doing much and is not in the face of everything every single day so I think that is APP. Dina Anna someone rising the charts. Maybe a little bit old town road in that out of nowhere started rising climbing so if d wins he is old town road confirmed. Oh my God dean. Is the old down road of survivor a phrase I never say but I love all right right so so I pulled some top ten lists from facebook twitter instagram Youtube Google and then I went over and looked at movies I looked at some music on spotify itself so I got a little bit of mixture of everything for you here today just to keep it fresh to keep it you no interesting make sure there's a little bit for everybody some of the lists make sense some of them do not and an added thing. I really hated the phrase teaching time with Tommy. But then I've gone ahead and point pop quiz time with puja so at some point skew questions about these list before reveal them just to get a guesstimate of what what you think is maybe top or second or third or however but like whose line is it anyway. The points don't matter so don't worry about keeping score. We are all winners owners today. We are all winners. Oh my God that teaching time with Tommy Line. I'M NOT GONNA lie that's stuck with me. It's so stupid I I know the rob was like I'm not going to pile on. That's not what we do here. I will pile on the stupid quote. No I don't know I feel like teaching time when Tommy is better than and when Tommy said you're like a jealous girl Frau that like that. I think that I was fine when teachers time and time because look we can be corey. But I'm looking. I'm like Tommy. That is not a good flux lawrence face to issues like are you freaking kidding me like did you just say that to me right now of who so funny. What about a Tommy? Why is mommy no no listen I think in a world where Frankie Grandes the nothing can ever A? I like throw that guy off the throne of the mother boy of it. We're the mommy I please teach me something all right. Well I I am going to ask Mike a question so mike at this is from facebook which one of these things that I'm going to mention is the most followed British origin page on facebook. Okay so there's four options tell me which twenty you think is the most popular okay. We got one direction we got little mix. We've got Simon cowl. And we've got Mr Bean Simon Collins in lieu of recent news is really getting big followings or maybe he is but more so for the hate clicks one D D. If you ask me like five years ago that would be with a bullet but I guess the question is as one direction has split up. have its fans as well. I am going to say I mean I would personally love Mr Bean. If it was Mike's Choice it would be Mr Bean. I'm GONNA stick with the one D here. Well you should have gone with Mike Choice. Mr Bean what Ooh what. A stalwart of the most popular page on facebook wiz Eighty eight million followers holy-moly tamales insane. WHO would've thought Little Mr Bean what I actually I saw something about Mr Bean? There were only fifteen episodes or something like that. Yeah and it's one of those things where I guess they've been re ransom. Many Times people thought of like Oh. He ran for like ten season. He just made like fifteen very well crafted episodes rerun into perpetuity that everyone seems to complete them into some larger. Run over yeah. Yeah it was on the air for five years so so we fifteen episodes across five years or was it like fifteen episodes of it in the first year and they just rerunning okay. Three episodes in nineteen ninety one episode episode in One thousand nine hundred ninety one one ever somebody out. It was October fifteen. Mr Bean goes to town. This really feels like some guys just like I feel like I'll make a Mr Bean. Exactly it's like maybe we should make another one and then yeah three and ninety two to ninety the three three nine hundred ninety four and then four and nine hundred ninety five something. We're spread out. Oh man we thought. Game of thrones took forever to come out. Yeah Beena thrones definitely set the record. My Dad didn't really. He doesn't really like watching movies movies or TV. TV shows are English speaking. He hates laugh tracks. Oh anytime we would watch anything with electric. He hated at the only things that he watched. That were. Non Farsi. Were Jackie Chan Movies and Mr Bean. That was whereas two things as far as not anonymity love this Tom and Jerry to okay is. Is there odds choices. Yeah Fun Facts about my dad. I thought for some reason Mr Bean had a laugh track. I maybe I missed remember. Much people misremembered that there were like fifteen hundred episodes associates. I think it did but I think that was exception to the rule. Because he mocked we'd be watching friends with my mom and every time there was a laugh. Track my dad in the background sarcastic. Oh Big Mike Okay got it you hate it but let me experience this okay so I also hate laugh tracks so it as far as the number one most with the most followers on facebook is facebook itself with to fourteen which model yeah Fix the next one is a big drop one sixty two million. It's Samsung Samsung. All fixed somehow does facebook on Samsung. I don't think so that's interesting. I would definitely a put apple or Samsung but I guess maybe apple is more polarizing. Zing and Samsung is sort of like the tortoise. In that regard I can't get many people. That outwardly hate Samsung as much as they hate. Didn't their phones and phones explode for a while I feel Cacak periods of people subscribe. They wanted to see videos of exploding phones But like like woods Samsung Post those bad pr move for them. A couple of notables here just move through the list real quick number one musician an issue with one hundred and one likes staying a number one actor. I'll give you each a guess. Who Do you reckon it could be? Is it mainly female. ooh I'm going to go with Hugh Jackman Matthew mcconaughey. Because he's the King of Matt Damon. He's the King of ads. Well you're both wrong and this should be proof of why. No one really should be on facebook anymore. It's Vin diesel ninety seven million in easel. I I mean I guess that would make sense if you're just looking at his body of work especially from the past ten in years like the fast and furious franchise is obviously a very popular. One is now part of the Marvel Universe and I feel like there's been a real like diesel renaissance and people really been assange was right Yaron Diesel Song but I think that people are now looking at him and maybe a new modern more mimetic light so I can. I can see the you know the reasoning. I know this is wrong but can I change my guests to Rowe and Atkinson just facebook is entirely. This is a website. Probing Aliens End Area Star Marian fifty one all right okay all right as far as facebook. That's over we'll move von Liana. This this question is for you before we get to the twitter ones. Which of these accounts is the most followed account on twitter? Okay Katy Perry Justin Bieber. Barack Obama or Riana. Isn't it Katy Perry. It used to be Katy. Perry used to be new winner. Three Million William More Than Katy Perry at number two is Barack Obama with one hundred eleven. A Ugo Barack I was gonna say I feel like again. If you're taking the temperature from like five years ago the B. would definitively be number one right but I feel like even with his own little comeback in the past few years of being quote unquote series artists it. It was unfortunately a trough that I don't think you could make his way out of that quickly. I thought I thought it was. We didn't Katy Perry have like the most for. Oh okay sorry so yeah. They're the top four though. Oh Yeah Oh interesting. And then Taylor swift rounds out with fifth place. I wonder if a chiller got a significant considering like how much he's been in the news the past year. Oh Yeah and that speech that she gave right. It's true that was this week this week. Yeah Yeah and then. There's not really much else here. The Usual Suspects Lady Gaga Up. Here on Ellen. Degeneres is the number one comedian with seventy nine million which given that that Selfie from that one blew up it makes sense. That Ellen is up there okay so you know how facebook has a facebook page twitter twitter page they do. It is not are featured in the top ten. Yeah I would say I was thinking about like the most added twitter accounts the most mentioned ancient. I feel like twitter is probably number. Yeah I could totally see that use. Where's the mute button? Where's the more characters whereas the editing? Bud where's the. Yeah exactly ZAC. Give me the edit button at twitter. Youtube has more followers than twitter. They have seventy two million and their ninth on the platform that seems seems like a failure of twitter different social media platforms has more followers than you know the Speaker Youtube. That's the next one. We're going to go into so youtube has been doing a bunch of things this year that I just wanted to talk about real quick. It's it's pretty crazy to think about how the platform which made Charlie bit my finger finger. Famous has successfully been able to launch a platform from one of the one of the youtubers. Who was this project planet tree thing where where they were trying to get twenty million trees plan? I think they got to about seventeen million which is pretty impressive. And two of the two of the youtubers put on a very successful sessile boxing match that was streamed on all the major platforms Wasn't was Logan Paul Kassai and he lost which was amazing being very get one. They tied the first one reason why he became so popular. Because everyone wanted to watch. Logan Pulse face gets. Yeah exactly so. It's been pretty amazing with Youtube and this has been a pretty big year for Youtube as there are a couple that have passed a hundred million subscribers so Mike who you know who do you. How many subscribers do you think the most subscribed channel has ooh gotta be at least in the millions? And I'm going to save five point one million one hundred and twenty-one million subscribers wow is it cutie pie second with one hundred into it is t series A. T. Series OTC is is an Indian company that their videos. They're kind of like the VIVO VO of India. So all they're all the music comes from t-shirt uploads and owns so they have one hundred twenty one million. Well you know what I should've gone for some Synergies Start Streaming Mr Bean episode. You got the facebook audience online. That is true. Maybe that's what we should take away from all of this okay. So if we know everything about Mr Bean then we'll be super popular on survivor. Because everybody loves Mr Bean we also have to know. Oh everything about Barack Obama and Katy Perry Justin Bieber ants. No all the t series music. Well okay here's what you do if you want to break the the internet make a video on the t series YouTube channel of Barack Obama Scenes Mr Bean as I would folks we want a reboot Rabin boot. With Barack Obama's Mr Bean make it happen. Come on universe no laugh track yeah but no laughter but make sure no we in fact we WANNA cry. Oh boy well this was a fantastic recap of the decade In true fashion with the two thousand ten which is so weird in and of itself. I do not expect any of the answers. You provided us with the top pages. It's pretty weird looking at some of these things and kind of spotting you know you seep the ones you expect to be up there but then there's a couple that you wouldn't expect to be ahead ED and they are so Mr Bean. Yeah so it's been a pretty fun project for me to All right well let's move into into some of our other projects and look when you went to the island of the idols. This week you had a choice of three possible futures to take and and the fact that the matter is I think there is some wishful thinking done with this season in terms of how things went down so we thought it would be a perfect time to bring back the BNB's NBC's version of Mash also known as Shambo still don't know what the acronym stands for but basically how it's going to work for those might not remember or know. The Childhood Game Mash is basically I am going to. We'll go. We'll start with piano and then we'll go to Liana. I'm GonNa give you a category and you're going to list in dean fashion three choices. Instead of the core of each things underneath that category then do a little bit of wizardry behind the scenes to determine what happened during your survivor experience on island of the idols We're going to start with you so get I'll give a category and you're going to name came under that category for me first. Gimmie three a female contestants from this season either in the game or voted out. Okay I'M GONNA go with Elaine and I'm GonNa go with Janet and I'm GonNa go with Chelsea Z.. Gimmie three household appliance. Okay I'M GONNA go with a spatula villa. A mixer and a crock. Pot would make it a bit more survivor. centric give me three advantages and you know what you could make up advantages to pull edina monsoon but it can be ones from the past the present or ones you just WanNa make up off the top of your head. I want to go with an idol that I can only use on somebody else of a extra vote and do not pass go. Do not collect immunity advantage. Oh I like that will sit vantage. uh-huh okay give me three articles of clothing all right sneakers boxer briefs and scarf K.. And finally Gimmie three foods. ooh This is the hardest one yet. Okay Burger why is it hard to cheesecake and last but not least ham sandwich. Yeah go ahead go ham. Am Sandwich all right so to determine how this process works. Just start typing the number one when I say go and then you tell me when to stop okay. Okay and go perfect okay. While I do this Eliana puja anything you want to talk about. I give you free reign from the next phase is something I'd like to talk about. How is a spatula an appliance? That's why changed it. I I heard your reaction I was like Oh wait. That isn't up. Change it. You still my pattern. I was going to go with like ladle next aren't utensils. They are utensils. It's also not the category wasn't utensils. Yeah the category was appliances. Yeah Okay let's what would you have said if you hadn't said SPATULA. MM vacuum vacuum I guess vacuums appliance vacuum that because I was still thinking about food food appliances instant pot and instant pot. Yeah you have instant pot. I do have an instant pop on during the Black Friday deals. Okay okay. Have you used it yet. Do you like it. I haven't used it yet but I'd like you know. You're like Amazon reviewer. It's like I I haven't I haven't used it yet but it looks great. Yeah what a useless review actually use the product before you give a review right. Yeah how often are people giving reviews without opening the product. I don't know I feel like I see them. Often your trust those reviews. No of course you don't trust those reviews appliances lines. Yeah I own okay. I feel like we should be talking about survivor but I just really needed to clear up the whole appliance thing but yeah okay so my favorite line. I think from this entire episode and there were a lot of really good quotes was win Nora when Dean comes back from from Ireland of the idols and Nora goes. Let's wave at him so he feels special nor have became my favorite person in that moment after Janet of course I thought that was so funny. And it's so subtle too. It's like those. Are The little editing things that I really like. When they put in the editors put in these Super Small Ages shady things? That's a really really love totally nor coming back as well is a returning players. Yeah I I think we're talking about out this. She's kind of like a Debbie type and we saw how quickly they brought back Debbie So I think it's it's definitely going to happen. I mean assuming and I feel like Nora. Nora might have already had her like Brad culpepper moment in terms of melting down on somebody. I don't know if you guys watch the secret scene. But she like walked up to Dean after the vote instead like. I'm never talking who. Yeah so missing. All right so Julia I am speaking to survive a royalty because Shambo has predicted it you are the of survivor island the idols I certainly these Shambo Mash thing. I put pre jury jury finalist and winner and you are the winner of you. Were able to slay your worst enemy who was Chelsea when you went to the island or the Idols Boston Rob after catching a good handful L. A. Fish served it back to you in his cross that he had to go on after going to under the idols. You earned an idol to us on somebody else which was good? You probably were able to use it on Dean after you earned his ire when you hit his boxer briefs in the tribe flag and in your final jury speech. You plead your case to the jury saying you're just a busted can of Ham Sandwich. Yeah you busted Cana- Ham Sandwich. They got the win singular not ham sandwiches him sandwich. I actually think maybe we stumbled upon something here nor would've hit where it hurts. If she hit his boxers. So can you imagine just well okay. I guess he's still his pants on. You just be going commando right. Yeah does he have pants yeah he must have on this team. He's we've seen the detective Dean look at Tribal Council. He definitely yes. Yes yes detective. In Hand Sandwich honestly would not be surprised if Robinson had a crock pot. It's up in the Snug Liana. Let's go with you here. Gimmie three male island. You're the idols contestants. Either current votto Jamal Deanna and Tommy. Hey gimmie three Objects you would want to bring to survivor that I would want to bring to survivor. Okay career if you just want want to bring onto the island in general for fine okay. A crock pot. No that's not my answer okay. A crock pot. I would want to bring oh stuff to make sand castles and I would want to bring. I don't want to bring anything useful because that's breath boring headphones. I know why would I wanNA bring headphones. I don't have anything to listen to. Oh you know what I would like your plugs. lugs okay her Gimme Gimme three advantages again. Could be actually existing or ones. You WanNa make up a lot. Do not pass go do not okay. Let's see for my advantage. Is I would like a skip. The finale pass which would be if I may creature they never got to use it. I also want A chicken and a Idle that you could only play on a chicken. You me four different body parts. No no not the honor okay. The Tow but not the pinkie toe the next one in the next to- of Ortho okay. The your elbow and year Loeb and finally three discussion topic food discussion topics. Okay the Massingir. Obviously why cottage cheese is the worst food ever and Reusable Straws yes. I like others no other optima sides. Yes yeah well. It's a question mark because it's up for discussion all right. I'm GonNa Start Typing wines and go her okay. You guys can talk about your eating habits or survivor or whatever you want the next okay. So I have a discussion for us. Yes this reusable straws. Yes yes yes Yes okay so I do have a cup with the reusable Straw I I did. It didn't come with like one of those brush cleaners so I bought one of the brush cleaners. But I'M NOT GONNA lie. I don't really clean it out all that often. Do you think I'm going to get a weird disease. Are you sharing thing this cup now. It's just me okay. Well as long as you're I guess trying to clean it. You're fine I don't okay. Yeah maybe you're not try like are you saying you don't use the brush or you don't clean it. Well I only drink water out of it. I think you're fine. And sometimes I cleaned the outside. But I don't clean it with the brush. You have reasonable Straw. That's like a big thing in Canada. Right Yup I don't. I don't really use straws. So yeah I What's it called? I feel like I. I don't own one but like I like that. We're moving away from plastic to paper straws. I'm sure Boston rob thanks you. Because he was out fishing this episode. He didn't WanNa get caught with a bunch of plastic straws. Oh you know Oh what was what I really really wish had been in this episode and I know that it was jam packed a lot happen. How did dean get his shoes back? Yeah it's like the unsolved mystery. Which Dean Yeah? I mean he was able to figure it out but I mean yeah I was GonNa say if all the contestants you gotta go with the guy who's a sleuth right to find his Yeah yeah that's true but did somebody get them down for him. was he able to get them back himself. Imagine he found the Angelina Ladder. IBM is able to climb it to get it all right. So Liana I think true to your nature of podcasting with a pretty tight deal. You are a final going to be a winner to that but you are going to be sitting in the final three with him. Probably alongside your closest ally who is Deanne for mentioned gene so you went to Ireland of the idols pretty early on in the season where you were enlisted to go into the other tribes camp and steal the Crock Pot so I think actually interestingly enough now. We have a cohesive narrative where the reason why. There's a crock. Pot On. Iowa is because Liana stole it for them as a result of doing that. You won a skip to the finale tasks which also makes sense. That's how you wound up there. You were able to make into the final three because you won the final immunity challenge which involves balancing on your ear lobe and then you were able to get nora on your side and a pivotal vote by discussing. Why cottage cheese is the worst food? It is the worst food ever my concern though is that she is like a health person and I know like some health people really like cottage cheese. It's like high in protein Vigo She's Vegan. Uh Perfect. Oh my God I knew it. Yes you pick you pick the right topic. Though I think reusable straws could've worked well for hers. She's very green in that regard but but man what we are under like five seasons until they start having people balance on their ear lobes and challenges. Well they're not shying away from the balance silence challenges like it's very possible you're a couple. Yeah I like I like Jeff saying this episode. Didn't use the verb like UN dizzy. The goal people are now starting to busy themselves across the net here. I I'M NOT GONNA lie. There is something that's so funny about watching people fall over over just makes me happy like I know it's juvenile but I don't care watching them spin and fall down was really great. I really liked Elaine. Being like go and then she just like stepped up. You know what I realized. I don't know if you guys watch Bob's Burgers but Elaine is essentially Zemun Bob's burgers just in a different. Yeah exactly we have was that when she was trying to go up on the balance beam. Yeah just got gopher then. She rented and stepped back off laughter. So Yeah Well congratulations to both of you. These seem like really great survivor pads to the end. I don't know how your dream management must have been looks like Julia had a smidge better better than Liana Liana. I guess you could put on your resume that you did steal a crock pot for survivor. Which is pretty good? I would say and it provided you fish rush when you went to the island of the idol. So you're welcome it did it did. I'm pretty sure I held my spatulas a trophy when yeah and I think I think when it makes sense that honest gets the antichrist underwood sentiment of being like. She just got passed in the finale. She didn't do anything the entire time. itsel Liana sort of resting on her. Her laurels here as well as your Logan that one immunity challenge I gotTA. I don't WanNa do that now. I wonder how I could balance on my ear. Love Love. It's like reminds me of you know those birds that where you put the beak on your finger and then it balances when you take your parakeet out of its cage new balance it when your balancing on. Yeah No. There's there's these toys these like plastic toys that somehow are concentrated like the center of gravity in the head and so you can balance the beacon. Essential Point on your finger and the bird will somehow balance itself. Toy is a loose description but yeah what do you do with it because I had one and I remember like balancing on my finger. And that's all you do. I would say I would defined defined toy as anything that makes you smile. La Geyser toys because you make me slow pink okay all right so that's done now. Okay so I don't have any discussion Russian question because I want to use my time for each choose your own adventure saga okay. Gang Bogota power through it. I got way too excited writing. This and I'm really curious to know how this is GonNa turn out okay so this is a story. It's a fan fiction meets. Choose your own adventure kind of style so I you guys are going to need to choose a character name and a description because the name I need for some of the things so head. Hey so just complete character running by description. I don't know what what do they look like. Okay here's a guy whose name is a blue PC. He is kids party clown on and he's dressed like cloud throw create of my anything. You WanNa add to blue the clown clown he has. He has a lot of tattoos. Like he's the hardcore clown hardcore kids clown four clowns like murdering people or something. Yeah used to. He was one of his former client. Bloop Oh my God. Wait p people the cloud I came up with a name for I merged some names aims together and then it's like wow name. What was it people the Crown Okay Anyway in the cloud blue hair a blue hair? Okay Calm Blah loopy. Is it spelled that that way. I guess it doesn't matter. L. U. E. F. loopy alrighty. So let's go. Let's do this thing. The what do you have any questions before we begin no excited to have fun. Okay great well okay. I'll see if it's fun I I welcome to survivor blue. Be The clown you're competing. You're competing heating on season thirty nine island of the idols and have made the final seven. Congrats your fellow tribe. Mates are Janet. Tommy Loren Dean Elena in and Nora. Krishna was voted out last night. Elaine is on the outs and wants your help. Searching for an idol. You're respond by saying that's a good idea elaine. Thinking to yourself. I want the idol for me or sorry Elaine nor is doing something weird on the beach. I WanNa see what she's up to. So Oh which one would you like to do my would like what do you think I co- I personally nor is doing on the beach do it. Okay we'll take it we'll go okay. Let's see what nor is up to on the pitch. Okay you walk down the beach to see nora holding something behind her back. Hey what are you holding you say to Nora. Dean is sick in the head so I use the ridiculous activating system to find his precious spotless shoes. And I'm going to hide them on top of the tribe flag. Nora starts climbing the flag that you can see. It's very unstable. Do you. A hold the flag steady to help Nora hijinks against Dean or be walk away slowly. Is it like a cool guys. Don't look at explosions kind of slowly or is or is it like A. I'm removing myself. Culpability yeah if she falls and breaks her head I do both I think. BLOOP A bit. A bit of the the Old Gore I think he's a little bloodthirsty so I think he would. He would walk. Okay all right so you start to walk away from the insanity but as you do the entire fire structure starts to fall towards you you scramble backwards but it's too late. Your leg is crushed under the weight of the Flag Nora and deans shoes. Sadly it's fractured. And you must be Medevac from the game along this the dead end right from the start you should have chose to go look for the okay. We'll go back in time and take the other the other the other path anything with Nora. Maybe a dead end justify stuff. Why this all right? So you're going to say that's a good idea laying thing to yourself. I want the idol for me. Okay you and Elaine enter. Enter the jungle and start searching for the idol. Do you a start searching near the well or be start searching near the cliff. Oh feel like one of those where it's not going to end. Well do you want to sleep in the shelter or in the house of nine. Okay so I'm GonNa see them. You're going with well. Then yeah the way we could fall down the well but I feel like that's a lot less dangerfield than going near the clear. Okay so you start rooting around the base of the welfare an idol and suddenly Nora's voice puffs and use the ridicule activating system to find the idol. So you focus up. Unlock the secret and sure enough an idol as you do your forbidden happy dance. You see dean coming towards you do do you a show him the idol or be shoved down your your clown pants. Well listen I was gonna say he's got a lot of room in there so they think you shove it in your clown pants concealed idle okay. It's our to keep track of this stuff quickly. You Shove your idol down your pants. Hey Hey Decay Chilin House. Is that an idle or you. Just happy to see me. Dean jokes blue raising his hand for a high five you. Wow you really the voice really good at impressions you turn the high five nervously laugh and walk back to camp as you walk away. You faintly here Dean talking to Himself Detective D log number fifty made a killer joke earlier today but still no updates on the idol hidden around camp also also no leads on the case of missing shoes you head back to camp. Okay go tonight. Everyone is back at camp after an eventful morning. You're you're still a little suspicious of dean. You can't focus on that right now. Nora is gathering nearby coconuts when she sees a boat coming to shore. That's right someone is going to the island of the idols. Nora takes bag of names and as fate would have it she pulls out a coin with your name on it and then I wrote but right intermission slash commercial. I saw you arrive at the island of the idols and are greeted by Boston. Robin Sandra you greet them by saying hey I know who you are or be just awkwardly. Early stared them with your mouth hanging. Open the second one. Oh that's yeah bees. Total BLOOP BLOOP bloop okay. Classic all right nothing to be afraid read of come into our snug. Sandra says welcoming you to island of the idols. This week's lesson is about jury manage. They look flip a coin. Or you're an idiot says Boston rob all the subjects of the conversation with very much. What he I said? Okay you about this decision but Boston. Rob Keep pushing you to do it. How about this Sandra ads? Even if you lose you can keep your vote for the final seven but you'll lose it at the final six with this new information. You have to make a decision do you choose to flip the coin or be choose to not not flip the coin. Bill it's boring if we saying no yeah I feel like bloop. He doesn't do that. We've been playing fast fast and loose like he lives his life so I feel like you've gotta flip clan. Let's do it muddy flips the coin into his Pants Rob flips the coin so Okay Okay Rob Flips the coin and no you do not win an advantage and you've lost your vote at the final six tribal council rob spends the next five or so minutes. Berating you for your terrible decision feeling dejected. You head back to camp okay. Time for the immunity challenge. Elect Dean wins immunity after put out. She's choice there. We ask that part I feel like bloop. loopy could have done a pretty good job in that balanced. It's possible I mean if it was juggling then while riding a UNICYCLE loopy maybe a chance but okay. I don't think so good with words right. Okay after putting the necklace on Dean Jeff. Turns to the CASTAWAYS. Says you're going to a double tribal council. That's right to players will be voted out tonight and there's no time to strategize. Everyone starts freaking out. You remain calm after all. This ain't no applebee's reward award walk into tribal intermission slash commercial. Jeff Opens Tribal Council so blue P. How does how did it feel not having any time to strategize you start to answer? But suddenly Tommy starts whispering to Lauren behind you. Do You keep talking to Jeff or be interrupt Tommy to join the whispering. I think now with the assumption that we you also whispered Tommy or w whispered to somebody else you be like. Hey what's going on. Is that what I want. I won't blue p the mouth breathing. Sad clown shopping rising very many bloopers the biggest goat of the season. Because there just seems very unsettled loopy may be. He's young deans enemy for sure. Okay he laurean Tommy. What's up? You say boo great job. loopy I saw all of a sudden enor- exclaims I am going to speak the unspoken. We are voting out Elaine. Everybody knows it and I'm sorry Elaine but it's you. Aw shucks Elaine bemoans well. It's time to vote. Announces Serve as each player. Goes up to vote. You can hear deion talking to himself. Detective Dee and log number fifty four unclear who is being voted out tonight potentially myself or Elaine but probably not me as I community so again Liana. You've got deemed down really good all right Jeffrey. Every the votes and sadly elaine is the next one voted out. But there's no time to waste. This is the final six tribal council and Jeff. Oh this is perfect we have an jeff takes the immunity necklace back from Dean so no one is safe. You WanNa make the first move. Who Do you try to work with? Tami Lauren Janet Senate Nora or Dean to avoid ignore us so we need to avoid Nora. Nora is the the tra I feel feel like. We haven't heard a lot from Janet. Yeah should we talk to John. Jay seems like someone reliable and I feel like nobody's going to get suspicious. You know I think Janet like yeah. I think Janet's the calmest wanted to talk to and being blue. I think we need com. Okay all right. Thank you lean over to Janet who is super calm. And I assure sure as you that they're going to we're going to figure something out but before you can start to really plan. Dean stands up and starts insulting all the CASTAWAYS. Tommy your mom so dumb. She thought tribal council was a tattoo parlor. Yomas so fat. She couldn't often the shelter made for thirteen people. Janet Yoma so dumb. She Thought Boston Rob was an NFL team. Is he trying to pull votes onto himself. You think. Why would dean do that? But then you remember possibly fake legacy the advantage dean is trying to draw votes unto himself. Do you go along with Dean's plan by encouraging everyone to vote for Dean or your attempt to stop. Deans incredibly stupid plan. Oh I think blue be the bad ATAS tattoo parlor clown would would want fire and I think yeah like I feel like I feel like he thrives and yet he wants to watch burns I I think he lets dean. Duodena is doing and go along with voting dean yet and not only that blue whispers. Everybody like Yeah Loren. They told me that your Mama was so poor the instigating clown okay well. Unfortunately you're you're not that eloquent because you say Whoa Dean's being a rural decorate now. We should all vote him out for sure you said Yeah. He doesn't even have cool shoes. We know feeling supported gets up and starts making chicken noises. Thank y'all chickens. Screw you guys. I'M A win this this game norris. Yelling back tribal erupts into chaos. Well I'm devote nothing. Wow Chevrolet lost control of this tribal council during the Dean was given out your Momma jokes going okay all right so where do I go. Okay okay you walk up to the earn. Unfortunately lately you remember crap. I can't vote. You lost it at the end of the idols. So you stand there for a while before heading back to your seat. If anyone has an idol now would be the time to play it Jeff says. Do you play your idol or keep it in your pants you gotta play. We're GONNA see what happens next. I think we just play to be safe. Okay so you you stand up. You play your immunity idol. Jeff verifies yes. This is a real immunity idol no votes cast for you. WE'LL COUNT OR WHATEVER JEFF SAYS I've been removed from okay. And he votes cast for all right. Great now dean follows you standing up triumphantly. Well Jeff I also have a little something. I'd like to play you walk over enhanced Jeff The fake legacy advantage this is not a legacy advantage. Jeff if says before tossing the piece of parchment and the fire the smug smile on Dean's face drops as he slumps back to his seat. Jamal last from the jury Boston Robin Sandra Andhra Laugh from their perch. Jeff starts to read the votes so based on your answers before this will dictate what happens. Okay ooh I about Dean second vote. Lauren third vote out. In the twelfth person voted out of survivor. Island of the idols is Dean your willingness to help Abdeen at Tribal Council freaked out. Tommy Lauren and dean was voted out by the majority as Dean was leaving he asked. Why didn't you use your idol on me? See I guess he did see you. Hide it after all dean spur to yourself the and was that a happy as well. At least you didn't get voted out which half the endings were your leg broken by ignore reviving the thing fall on you. Yes I still think. That's the last I mean when we did during edge of extinction wasn't it like we drown to the trying to teach you win resulted in death. Oh my God so what do we think. What do we prognosticate like? Do we think Lupis in the final five do we. You think he's making it to the end. I mean if bloopers ago right now right but could it be the thing where when Tommy was like Oh dean actually might have some game. Aim to me. Think they might have a similar sentiment about Blumenau and could you make a case for himself in the end. I think that they're thinking subconsciously. There is no way. This season could end with the winner of survivor out of Blue B. Roll off the tongue. I like at blue be the tattooed Satuday clown honestly. I think a lot of people might prefer that to the ultimate outcome. That's right this is the university want to live and we're blue p the tattooed clown who may have murdered people. Some point in time wins the man. Okay so I did. I saw something on the Internet. That was like who would have thought the edge of extinction would have been the best survivor season in twenty nineteen. Oh Man I think our version obviously is better considering we have a contestant named bloop they clown but the blueprints the blueprints Oh you know what that's what happened we consistently said I go to go to blueprint the risk. I apologize for not doing the voice of our character throughout Dude keep going Colin. Deans being a real Dick Right now although Fazli just goofy voice that's what it is. Actually Blue Peas. Original character was a goofy. Nah I yeah all blue. Yeah it's like those dollar store toys lay you know. I don't know there's some bad toyed. The names of Blue Blue would be pretty funny as why exactly like Oh I know how much you like did they. So I got you a blueprint all did you say goofy. It's Bloop oh baby. Yeah so sort of look at his tentative it's an e so cool action figure the man all right. That's good job guys go all right. Well let's let's go back to Iowa. We need to break down what happened. Is this episode. I am so mystified for several reasons like this felt like a brain steel almost much like the adventures of loopy dead. Why why is jury management being catered by a coin flip? I'm very confused and look the island of the idols Russians. I think I've been mixed. This is only the third time we've been to island to the idols in the post merge. But I feel like between the Jamal. Hey your lesson is you got the night vote and this. It's it's very very muddled end of term. I was trying to think because I was okay. Maybe they're unrelated like the test is unrelated and then I was like no. Oh they are related when Elizabeth slowing about fire. The test was fire. It wasn't like him. Here's how you make a Phya Royal. Now here's a Cudi Ketchup. Could call a man. Yeah what would have been better. Instead of a coin flip I liked the cudi catcher idea. Magic the eight ball could also be fun. If you put four advantages under little flaps and you do the Cudi Catcher to find or the advantages that a no vote. Yeah exactly yeah. I have one at work that I made and one of them says we should be working. Wow it's terrell sad. Yeah so I guess. Let's start with the jury management. Listen because this is really intriguing to me. And I think that Robin Sandra presented good points about what you need to. I'm glad they focused on the story because I think Sophie really brought up like a monumentally significant point in the David versus Goliath. podcast she did at a year ago about how we hear. Resume resume resume. But it's more so about story. I think a narrative that's going to really resound with the the jury on at our voting but I know that Boston rob is the person who speaks up and Sandra I guess is more so that the quieter one who provides input. But I don't know if we're talking about Jerry Management. I would love to hear from the person who got votes from two juries over someone who one in one out of four attempts and basically did his jury record is fifty percent. Yeah right exactly I. I don't know why Sandra didn't take the lead. She showed up. Well the thing is I. I find that Boston rob has a lot to say about stuff that doesn't need to be said about like to quickly go to the tribal council. Oh Yeah I remember. We're back to Boston. Rob angr allowed. Lee whispering yeah. Deans playing for the jury. The wants their attention. Paid attention to us. I see this as move like she. This is all she can do loses. Elaine's move like Boston Rob. You don't need to tell us this you it still senator. This senator knows what's going on. Yeah and I think Sandwich run point on that for sure Yeah I do like okay. Okay so I will say I like the concept of being storyteller and telling your narrative like that was good and I liked that part that that was it. I WanNa talk about the advantage as well because I know that the advantages are very rarely linked to the lessons. The tests are but it's not like hey you won the the fire making challenge. So here's like a pass to the final four. You Know Butt hurt me kind of wish I think I haven't fully listened to the Christian podcast but I feel like this was talked about. I kind of wish the reward was sort of like a big brother. Ten style like one on wine. Sit Down with a jury member to like talk through things or Hell I. I mean I don't want to put this out into the universe because I don't like the twists but even like a jury vote nullify. Her could have been more interesting intrinsically tied back to the lesson than just the advantage pitch menu that could very possibly screw them. Unlike Janet. In the finale. Yeah I think I like that too. I'm just realizing now. No one ever got a chicken and as a reward from the island of the no I jeff had said that that might be the case but ended up not being the case it was only advantages and one time idle. Can you imagine Asian of Dean had come back. Dean wins one on one. Sit Down with a jury member and chicken. How cool would that be or the chicken goes on the jury? You this this is your new jury. It's a chicken it's going to stump for you then. Put Feed in front of the three final tribal names in whichever one. The chicken goes to that to the chickens voting for. Yeah I love that that tail instead of Boston. Robin Sandra voting the chicken vowed. ooh chicken. That Sandra Yeah. Yeah that chickens been on I o why as well it should be equally as important. There should be a chicken head statue. Yeah that's so sad though you just eat it. And then so we evaded this game of chance with Janet right where it seemed like if she she was gonna go for it. It was going to be some sort of like. Hey I'm going to pick something behind my back and if it's color then you get if it's this color then you don't we get it here. Her in the form of the coin flip and I understand what they're going for I think luck is very intrinsically involved in survivor. But I really. I don't know if the argument of this advantage because of a coin flip isn't really gonNA earn you a lot of points at the end of the day. I just I just go back to how how it's supposed to relate to jerry management. Are we supposed to know that. Jury Management is essentially just a coin flip learned. I mean that would be more so like I think that's less survivor. And that's more so big brother true. Oh my God what a big brother island of the idols look like it would be easily. I think Dana Dana in general. Maybe yeah who would just be so stupid. I wonder what you would get though because I mean big brother hasn't really moved actually. They have started doing the advantage. Steph right like you. Did you won this. You get the cloud power APP that you yeah okay. So maybe they've been doing their game changers. They've been doing it for a while now you. You're now the PRANKSTER for a week. Oh my God. That's what they should do. They ever do island to the idols again. Like maybe that's what Nora was doing. She thought she was the Prankster of the week. And so she was just hiding. Deans shoes on ooh. She's the saboteur. And she's like all right. Jeff give me ten thousand dollars. I did my tasks I'm team America. Yeah Yeah I would like it if it's like okay. So we're going to provide you with an option. They Tau they tell the person okay so you need to do one two three. If you do these things you get. We will send you your advantage. If they approve then they go back to go back to the tribe and okay. I didn't get anything that night. They get a delivery of all these things so they get like actual delivery. Yeah I WANNA get like little trinkets that they can use to mess with the tribe and Prank. I would love that see. That's that's an interesting point because we saw that with Vince for a second right that was probably the closest we got to like an outright team. America catas- go sabotage this camp collect fire and bring it back. In retrospect I wish we had more of that. I think the most interesting test by far for that Nora convincing trump to be the caller more and Lauren having to make the bet and convince everyone to set out the challenge Yes yeah those actually brought dot something like this was like you said. Just it's a coin flip like it doesn't do anything and probably now that he is the idol. Nulla fire is going to send Janet home so I'm extra mad about that. So Yeah Stupid Dean Okay but okay. Let's say let's say in. The challenge was a coin flip. What is then the appropriate corresponding funding lesson that matches flipping a coin? I think it's luck contrite and has to come down to about like you you have to be lucky so if you think you're lucky not do this coin flip. I think it's as simple as that or it could be tied back to the lesson of like. Hey you got to look at things at face value and decide if you wanna WanNa step away or not. But I feel like there's been like two or three lessons that are all about risk management and decision making at that point doesn't need to be hammered home once more. I don't know if we he learned it. Yeah considering we see so many condensers like yeah. I'm GONNA do it. Well do you WanNa hear it. No I WANNA do it so yeah. Next week. We got teased. That there's going to be one more thing that they're gonNA do with them. I would love if it's just Boston rob playing rock paper scissors in a row with every person and whoever beats boss jet something whoever loses loses their vote and looks like there's some sort of weird scavenger. I'm assuming it's going to be a scavenger hunt around island of the idols thing so buying but it looks like Dean unlike takes the machete. God knows what he's doing with that. So maybe there's something like a tree somewhere. I'm assuming that's going to be their final title test so that they could officially finally reveal the secret of the idols. I guess in that case though if it happens at the final five arrive in sand. You're sitting out in the open at the last asked to tribal councils or even in the final tribal council or are they still going to put them in that booth. Oh yeah that's a good point and I assume they're going to get to watch the final council. I would love a booth reveal where like well. There's been two people watching this whole time. And then like the flaps of the front of the booth falls off and they're just sitting there looking right at them. They're you're like crouched in the tiny and it's awkward and making barely waiver. Leaking is okay a few things first of all to your idea of rock rock paper scissors. There's some less energy joking here. About drawing rocks the other thing is decay chillan becomes decay villain. Oh My oh my God. That was so stupid and so funny I loved it and it's an so dean so dean also thought because he had the machete it might be decay killing killing which also can be there. I think then in blue keys regretting Laurie amount of his Mo.. That's right loopy. It'd be into that type of thing but yes so funny. Yeah we'll be rock. Paper scissors could be like rock hirschman. Machete where either you get rocked out out of the game. You get a parchment like an extra the next tribal council or you get a machete where you could like disadvantage someone in the next challenge with a machete. What if it's an ear low balancing challenging you cut their era Lobov exactly what you could do what you want to disadvantage? Here's somebody at all costs. God but yeah and I'm Boston Rob if you do paper it'll be like have you seen paper before this is this is a paper. Do you would all you. MILLENNIALS is not a tablet trying to swipe on it do we think is worse. Overall the coin flip lift or the triple h family challenge of draw the same colored rock from a bag as their loved. One out was bad. Okay no the coin flip is worse because can you imagine Nora Nora doing that. Bag Challenge with the and she'd be like Oh my Bluh Bluh Bluh Bluh Bluh particular. Activating system sister come on. We must do this. They would have been funny. I guess we'll see next but yeah it's an interesting. It's GonNa be an interesting finale no matter what I think. This is a really interesting final five in general and I can imagine how that sudden departure might change things up a little bit you know it seemed to be hinted at that. Tommy Dean have a final three deal and it seems like their game to take Lauren. We'll see if that plan changes. But we'll see what decay villain killen spilling is going to provide the maybe he'll spill some T- in that final travel counsel. Yeah it was just GonNa say that I was like he needs to use up for everything like yeah. Well I'm here to decay spilling some D.. I should do that. He's GonNa come up with a nickname that I can like change. If only he had a barbecue rewarded because they're like I'm decay Greeley. Yeah all right. Well let's finish with the question of the week last week. The question of the week in honor of Jeff's saying that Janet was a weeble wobble when she fell l. off the perch and got back up. Basically we asked our listeners to make a Jeff probst quote that compared a player to a toy so John John had a couple of here I said Noah is the energizer bunny. Can't stop once you wind her up. which actually might be the most accurate comparison? I've seen too and I love her and I love that comparison. Yeah that's pretty APPs I see it and also said Brent. La Belle is that toy cuddly. Teddy bear that you can cut along but I feel he's he's on Did you guys know Teddy Spin. Yes Betty it's a teddy bear where you put a tape in. And he liked told you a story Alabama's he'll hug you but he'll also tell you a big story. Yes but it's got to be bigger though like I had a bear when I was little. Oh my God I remember okay so at the Grocery Grocery store where I grew up when I was little they were selling these giant. Sounds like you grew up in a grocery store. I always wanted if I got locked. I wanted to get locked in like a target or a Walmart but if I got locked in the grocery store that would also be cool because then I could eat all the food okay so there was really giant teddy bear and I wanted it so so bad and then my dad was like well he was like you don't do you have the money to buy yourself and I was like no and then he was like okay. Well I'll offer you alone. This is my dad teaching me about personal finance. You loaned me my allowance for four weeks but he was like okay but I need to take a fifth week because you get the money now was like he was teaching me about interest anyway. Long Story Short. It was a giant bear and I got it and it's amazing so all right actually go back here. Could that have been an island of the idols lesson. Where rob says like? Here's an idol. You have to use in the first three tribal councils or you have to give it back to me. Do you think that would have been an interesting factor to add into the game. I guess so like have you had to give it back but I mean oh like you had to but then I guess if you didn't need it you just give it back or you can hang onto a maybe a fake idol or something sort of like what what Chrissy did what the idol given to her in the first episode of AAA. Yeah that's true. Yeah we didn't get to see more negotiating on island. The only only person was Kelly when she only because you said I think maybe I think maybe it happened with Lauren. I want to say to basically just a moment of hesitation. Asian allowed Boston Rodman. Sandra's wheeling and dealing. We gotta remember that if they ever do that. Fist again. Yeah but Dan and Dan Journal. I think will be harder cells. Let's see Jonathan Troyer. And he preferences this because it's a natalie white and he says this is not as actual opinion of Natalie's but it feels like Jeff probst would say natalie white seems must be playing this game like everyone plays mouse trap not actually playing the game. Just killing rodents saying that. Did you guys ever actually replay mouse trap or did you just set up the Rube Goldberg Machine. Oh we just set up a Rube Goldberg Machine. I remember because my sister had it and it was always a treat to go visit my sister and one of the things things we do is play mouse trap which was just setting it up and then playing with a Rube Goldberg Machine Dancing. NC says when someone gets idled doled out without remotely being a target Jeff would say like a piece from the game crossfire. They got caught in the crossfire like his final words at tribal council. Yeah may maybe you should get that week like you did. That's what you're coming up way edited that out. I don't know crossfire. Had made me one of the most intense toy commercials cels I've ever seen. I do not remember it. Do you guys remember that. Like the hard rock commercial where the kids looks. Like the Iran like post Apocalyptic University. You ooh known. Did it feature Bluefin the clown should yeah blue. That's where bloop he comes in and just like completely slaughters them all on crossfire and then them I i. I don't know why but for some reason that reminds me of from. UHF Gandhi too. And I just I don't know why but I'm picturing Gandhi the in Bluefield like killing everybody. Oh my God you know but like it's like cartoony like in Gandhi too but would it be dollar store Gandhi Doc. Brandi like misquoted and stuff funny pirker Schindler says Purple. Kelly is the invisible man. I don't know if that's a toy boy but I think that's an apt comparison. I think I saw that at the dollar store wants or didn't see it as it were That'd be an interesting sales tactic of like ooh invisible detergent urgent. Yes ooh or the invisible man you know how they have the packaging where it's like the plastic and you can see the toy inside. Can't see the toy inside. There's I've seen get gift. Someone nothing and it's just the plastic container you can see. There's nothing inside it is like gifted nothing. It's called nothing nothing and you can buy it gift. Nothing present. Yeah okay all right. Finally Logan Says Nora. Your Strategy Edgy must be like a game of twister all tangled up and on the verge of collapsing to the ground. Oh my God I'm twister and forever that would be really fun to play again do Norte. Twister yeah I think so. Yeah I'd say it's more. So like a person in their twenties and type of thing remember the twister game that I played fondly was during the summer there was a version of twitter where you would pump it full of water and then if you stepped on certain things water would come up square in the face. Oh Oh you play outside though say your living room all wet. I actually was also inspired by Nora but I had said that she was more like a bop it using it builds holds it gets increasingly stressful. Like dealing with. Nora would be like yeah I think then sometimes like sometimes she might be in a twisted mood sometimes time she can be an appellate mood but then she wants to speak the unspoken. Exactly who do you have an idea of a toy you want to compare to survivor contestant on why think as for because I'm trying to picture like Jeff drope saying it so I could picture Jeff drope saying Dean with the one two combination like random salcombe robot. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's I could see Jeff's saying that he doesn't get his block knocked off Decay Punch in mine compared to pass contested. But it'd be like Tony. You're like one of those corn popper toys. Lend the balls fly everywhere as you're moving those wheels. What do you ever eat? Corn Popper Toy Corp Popper Toy. So you know that thing. That's like a dome above a bunch of balls and as as you push it along the ball start like popping and moving around. Oh Yes yes yes okay. I guess it's like it's like popcorn especially stove top popcorn but I guess that's why it's called a corn popper. I see you have one for Ayrshire Nine Jack. 'cause he's not mobile APP but I'm assuming we'll get one forum will immediately make us for greater decision. Once he actually starts moving around with those things make noise too. Yeah that's so you're literally within balls being thrown around. But I feel like it's a good description of Tony's erratic game style of like you just makes the balls fly everywhere and he's constantly moving at all times. Yeah no that definitely makes sense. I also had a one. That Tommy is a pet rock. I thought it was like that's me and then I wrote the neuro or one. which for some reason isn't so the question of the week for next week? Our finale podcast can't believe it it is finally here and I'm also a bit hack here. so nora as we talked about numerous times. Hey Deans beloved sneakers. So non-destructive non destructively. We're not talking. Holly Hoffman. Like put someone shoes in the water. Where's the best place to hide someone else's stuff whether they be shoes or boxer briefs? NPR's case find a place in a typical survivor camp to hide someone stuff. You can reach out to us with this response. In many ways has Rha P. N. B. on twitter You can respond to the post and all the various postings on REP has website dot com or on facebook you can email us or a and B at g mail dot com as we can take you to bring on our traditional guests or the end game. We had who you on this week. And of course Eric Stein will be returning to talk through. Maybe one of the possible choices is big brother island of the idols. Talk through this finale. I will also be at the quote unquote live finale next week. I I believe Robin I are actually going to have a bit of a podcast. After the finale to talk through our own experiences it should be very very interesting but I'm excited to at least interact with the cast again. After I got to see them. You know several months back. See how this all plays out. And we'll be able to advocate a lot more on our thoughts overall with the season probably with survivor at its current state. Does that a very interesting state at the moment but for now you busted can of Ham Sandwich alleged. Thank you for coming on recapping the decade forest submitting yourselves to some of the craziness that we always provide. It's always to have you on. It's always a delight to have a stay at the BNB. I really do enjoy this. And for some of the low points. This season his bright. You guys have continued to be a beacon of positivity and I thank you both were you. We are beacons of positivity. Thank you very much Mike. Also please tell me if anybody comes up to you at the finale l. e. like any of the contestants is like you're the soup guy yes all's I will say that if I'll try to get to the bottom of if any of them actually you talked about the once. They actually entered the game. I thought that was going to be the weirdest thing about this season and I was just like the tip of the it seems to offer people who want to check out more of your stuff. I know you guys are nearing the end. I believe the mass singer ends next week on the exact same night and time as I survivor. How can people catch up with social media and get yours honest thoughts about everything massacre? They can find me on social media at Julia Ism on on all major platforms so we finished recording the double delight episode of on Thursday and still have to send that over to Scott. So it'll be in your feet soon as far as finding the podcast itself you can find that rob has a website dot com slash mass singer. And we will be talking about the finale. We still have some you know big heavy hitters left in the competition. One of US might have more people from their draft than the other. But we're not going to talk about that because we're not that type of people dare you. Yes so you can find me on social media at Liana. Boris and yeah what police add massing or it's happening and I and that's the thing so check it out. Do we think loopy might be in contention for one of the contestants next six. Oh okay so. I do know that. They're filming season three right now so we need to try to push the blue. Pay The clown costume because Oh the costume not even the identity. Someone dressed up as exactly because I need more nightmare fuel so if we could just get going I think it's a winner for sure. I think Nicole because shares Zinger would have found a new crush. We bring blue as we all know. Be Sexy Yeah. I'll honk. Yeah you can follow me at a mike flu type. You can check out the exit interview I did with Elaine. Really encourage people to check that out. I mean Elaine is just such a lovely individual visual and it felt really great especially amidst negatively that the end of the episode brought to remind ourselves of the positivity that her presence on this season brought a lawsuit be bringing a bunch of exit. Press as well. We'll be doing the red carpet interviews next week. At the finale with the top five which should be super interesting to be sure to check out down the hatch Our loss retrospective podcasts. Josh just released a very interesting podcast on the the episode numbers where we go way way. Way Off the beaten path in terms of discussion but it was still a lot of fun. We actually just finished recording a backlog of episodes that are going to release over the next month and and a half and it was an absolute delight and I hope you have a delight listening to it as well. That's GonNa do it here a for the BNB special things to Scott saint-pierre offending this behind the scenes. Paul all also send our head writer. 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4Give But Never Forget

The Worst Day of Your Life

29:09 min | 2 months ago

4Give But Never Forget

"I'm daniel. Life is a journey of extremes. Incredible highs heart wrenching lives moments of achievement celebration and happiness only to be snatched away an instant to confront the worst day of your life more Lighter and danny had done. The worst day of their life was saturday february. I twenty twenty. They thirteen year old son. Antony daughters angelina and h twelve and eight. And the children's qasem eleven year old veronica psycho were given permission to walk to the local shops for ice cream after dinner. It was the last time that would see them alive. Minutes later at drunk and drugged driver lost control of the youtube speed on beddington road at oatlands in sydney and crashed into the children. They never had a chance. Three other children survived and were taken to hospital. The tragedy could have brought anger and hatred instead. They was forgiveness. Denny take us back to the food febuary twenty twenty. Yup you children are going to get cream. How did you find out something had gone wrong so we were at home. We're getting dressed getting ready for twenty first birthday and i had told my kids to go get some and come back so that independence that joe. The third state between the age of thirteen and and the there was four kids that a thirteen in twelve eleven. Sal gave him that you know bit of independence and told them to get the crimin- mu was supposed to pick them up as we were leaving. Grab him in the car and bring back home because it was it was about seven thirty i think at the time and it was february does a lot of sunlight till about quarter past i so we told him to go for a walk. Then i'm about to leave neither annoy my sister-in-law rania she. She's running out screaming. Come on come on go. go what's wrong. She pulled out of the car she goes. Something's happened to the kids so there was two boys and the risks were goals. There was anthony. Stabile there was my bill. Liana angelina veronica and sienna. So i'm thinking the boys were clowning around and one of by some bracing iva thinking. Oh now anthony. Ana know what you've done. Then i arrived luna arrived at the scene and my it was a lot worse than what i had expected. We came in and we saw the aftermath ovals and it was crazy mabul was running around. Leon was running around screaming and carrying on there was people at each child. Didn't even know which gutted at the time so. Yeah that's what we saw. What was going through your mind when you rob the so my kids the so them I was in shock. I didn't believe what's happening or thoughts are always going to be good. they're gonna get up everything's gonna be fixed. And i just i- praying And hoping for a miracle that all it's going to be good Liana came up to me. She was crying and she goes to be mom. I don't wanna lose. the lock. Lost them and us italian. No no nothing happened. Not gonna lose them. Don't nothing's wrong with them. cell was in chalk. You love us praying helping front of medical. Then you knew pretty much straight a wide in you how bad it was on you though gone when i saw them. I knew that they weren't going to make it. I saw angelina and the lady was trying to keep her. You know with cpr and she looked she said there's no no baby sienna was a mess and anthony autry with antony and just the guy said don't even bother tried saul was in shock as well. I think the point reached was. I had to surrender to what was happening on you. If i resisted it would have been a lot worse for wear. I had to pick up the pieces. Which was liana mobile. Layla rania and everyone around us lila there was domesticated a moment they to wear. Now you've described out a sense of communist that you would the but you weren't almost the unreality of tillis about that everyone around the screaming the screaming. Oh gosh and they were looking at me like there's something wrong with me What else they'd gone for some reason and even the markets were dead as a parents. It's hard to believe that your kids are dead. Crickets are gonna die before you and even the of seeing them and santa looked sir. Bed and veronica. It's you won't accept it. You won't comprehend it and i've seen people after Passed away after our kids. And they're so the loved one dead in front of them and they were into the same shock where they didn't believe it's hard to accept. Someone is dead in front of you. It's it's too hard to comprehend. Especially seeing seven gets hit by a car the way we saw them. It was like a war zone. Used the words as well you surrender to go to that point in in the sense that this was so big so enormous the that was really only option was it was beyond as the only thing i could do at. That moment must praying and asking everyone around me to pray. Danny was the sign for you. That point of realizing you head to hand over and and work with the kids that oversee had survived the impact because this was so terrible and central well. We witnessed was beyond anyone's comprehension. I had no choice to surrender. Because what else. What else could i looked at. All of them. I said you know what they merely vessels. This also gone and i just looked at their bodies are. That's why i wasn't attached to that. Actual physical i said that the vessels the only vessels to their souls. This on here. They on here surrender this. This is bigger than me. God i surrender this to you. And that's that was the language occupan repeating myself and it was. I was in a place of shocker. As anyone would be so when i put myself together a grad la probably ana. I call my father in law. I called bridget as well. And i told him to come down urgently and did you have to go to hospital that not. Yeah liana was injured. She got hit by the car with her brother and sisters and then he goes to. Leyla drop in the ambulance with liana and i said to him. But what about the rest of the kids and from what i understood. Worry we're gonna follow you say in my head. I'm thinking perfect. I'm going to go to the hospital with hannah. At someone's gonna come with antennae angelina sienna and one on the hospital. I'll make sure all of them of the first one waiting for them. They're later on. It's coming to the last time we see my kids on the roadway. I saw them and the impact of the accident was so strong. Couldn't touch my kids. it was beyond can't even there's no word to describe what we saw. It's hard to describe And obviously i went to the hospital. I was waiting for my kids and ran. Danny i'll go daddy what the kids are coming. I'm starting to get worried. And he said to me layla. Kids are dead garnered any dollars your faith. They're not gonna die no way as what's wrong with you. Stay strong dollars your faith. He goes layla call you back calling him every ten minutes. Danny please tom they coming and he kept telling me the same thing till i saw him coming back and saw the press next to him looked at him. I'll data was the kids and he goes Antony angelina sienna and veronica gone and moment. This is when columnist crying screaming. Begging please tell me it's not true. Please tell me this isn't it can't happen account lose my kids. Kiss are not meant to die before birth to die before kids is the circle of life let alone three of my kids with their cousins. Living mater injured lock. It was beyond. This is when i was crying and wasn comprehending and then after. That's who i can't begin praying then you start crying then. It's very hard to to explain what we just has been through. Its out even harbour survived. It's it's true on that nod. Many assigns didn't now this seven thirty eight o'clock so it's happened. Many people's first awareness of this was the following morning. And they're away in soviet lila. We you'll woods of online height. This person i forgive this person and people were comprehending on the following morning. The enormity of what happened and you'll words came through with that. How did you. How did you possibly get together. Those words to be on the side that i was praying from the mike. It's passed away. la think The faith of the power of prayers just gives you that calmness and strength there is only comes from above. Doesn't come from us as human. And what i got on the scene. I wasn't thinking of the driver over. I can think off. It's my husband and my kids. And i was thinking of him and when they said the driver. Uh perk from the heart. That's i don't hate him. I think in marta. Forgive him and spend one year and uh still are to hate him literally forgiven him and will always pray for him. There was a point danny. Wasn't think about three weeks after the accident. Where lila asks you. You really forgiving. Can you tell us that conversation in in the car when you both in a us. That question about whether you really did forgive him. I knew leyla was going to forgive straightaway. Felt that in my heart. I know my wife. We've been married sixteen years and we've got a big extended family and you know we always believed the bigger the family the big of the problems. We've learned to forgive daily and we've always looked to ask for forgiveness as well so my focus was never on the driver or focus was about the kids in the family but when when i decided to focus accepted the forgiveness for the for the greater good of myself my family to to set them free from the anger and the bondage of anger and and and revenge and bitterness because those feelings at damaging in terms of you tried to recover but also they have a physical impact on us. Die so you. You were very determined that that wouldn't be a part of your family going forward. Absolutely it's you're chasing something that that never is rewarding at the end of it the more angrier chase the more angry you get and it doesn't end just doesn't stop and for me to be angry with that dr. Oh i'll be waking up every morning. And he went out on my head. And all i'm doing is making my angry for what versus trying to accept the unacceptable and pick up the pieces. I guess they must have been many. Who felt lila. When you said that the morning after the you were in shock in grief that she'll come out of this you'll have a different viewpoint but of course you would genuine at the start and you have been you've seen all these months on Grieving is very hard. But well. As burke i spoke from my heart ideas speak from from the state of was in. So this is my heart. That's really the heart of a mother who was bleeding loss of her kids. Learn hearts of a mother was in full of its full of love and full of forgiveness and falloff compassion and this is the mother's heart that shown and honestly What would my kits markets would never hold. Grudge markets are loving caring selfless. They're innocent can't see my kids even as hating the driver for its end This is what our heart has showed three aspect from all my heart. Do you think some people might misunderstand you in the sense that you forgive but i forget sometimes that you grieve. It's not like. I just forgive you when we move on. You'll both still grieving and an often. That's forgotten in other people's understanding are grieving. The loss of our kids every day we wake up the first thing of mind. It's actually jillian sienna And our forgive is reflection of our love eggs engine sienna to keep that memory alive. Every first a bloody the whole nation would be celebrating with us. I forgive day that is board from eighteen. Eddie engineer santa and nick. When it comes to sa- how did you handle it People often see rough and tumble blocks. I it's a little bit harder for them to come to that point. Hell did you wrestle with forgiveness and anger and sadness and all the feelings that were going on. I'm still gravy. It's painful everyday. We're not just to superhuman people way we forgive lice which return on an off night forgiveness. His very hard grief is very painful trauma that we went through. Its doesn't come out of our heads fif- for me being a typical western sydney block. It's very hard usually when someone hurts you. You trying to hurt him back but being a father which is my highest calling in my life. I bought my tongue. And i forgive because i see my daughter. See my two boys. And i see my wife. It's going against my natural emotion. But i know i look at it okay. Fine forgive and i'll get this blood back. And i'll just chase him we'll chase he's family for example what what's the repercussion. For my kids if they see they father do that when they get older and they hold the beef with each other will they forgive each other. They say know. I'm going to do it. My dad done back my brother get back on. My sister. sofa made the whole forgiveness. Message is going against what what basically what l. motions are human emotions are but there's a great good at the end of this and that's for the for my family and for generations to come if really vange. Is it going to bring back our kids. If anything it's going to destroy our family is going to destroy me and daddy as human. It's going to destroy alexan- michael because it's contagious. I'm bringing this negative emotions to my family but but us forgiving There's a power forgiveness that is a strengthened folk in forgiveness that's freedom and forgiveness forgiveness his board for the forgiving denver forgiven. It's more for us than the driver. It's for us to to move on with our family and our kids to be able to show them love not to share them hates and the kiss our product of the early vitamin some mike. Ac- a monkey to give the us angry. They could become angry. But if they see us loving forgiving at peace they gonna have love forgiveness and peace. And every decision we make. It's going to impact generations. Not only our kids but the grandkids great grandkids and Except very Was decision to be able to stop and put on. Your parents had and what's best for my kids. What i've learned last thirty months fif- giving us his asana strength and an revenge zone of weakness. That's that's the bottom line. My kids are in the best possible position because of choice. And then he. And i are a role model advocates copying us and every day. We're trying to work on other to be a better version of of us. Don't get me wrong way. Human every everyone each one everyone have some kind of issues in their life though have a peaceful life but we tried to get up and to keep going because life is full of challenges. Forgiveness is so central to faith is not and we realize crossed forgave. Me looks at my heart knows how bad i am. Hell could either not forgive someone else is. Is that a strong part of the forgiveness for you. Both yes it is. I've been constantly asking to forgive. Makers i'm not perfect. Either and hall monitor. Forgive him if i get figuring daily as a as a catholic forgiveness is the center of our christianity. Forgiveness is the main message of easter. Jesus's last word. Forgive them father for. They do not live at the doing and few times in the bible. The speaks about forgiveness If you don't forgive your brother how can your father forgives you then when you play the The our father. The lord's prayer that got us you say forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and then he and i really want to be in heaven more than ever. Wanna be with god with our kids forgiveness. His is is the main key in our faith which is to forgive it to love because there is life after death. Does it turned life and figured i got the whole world agree on something would be to think death and birth every what have different view after birth before birth and after death but we believe in the in the next few believe in heaven and we desired. The maury are good on this earth. The budget do it's the more The highest chance. She'll be in heaven so you've launched. I forgive day on the first anniversary of the exit. I love the way it's it's i number. Four give rather than if our because of the four children It's an opportunity. Isn't it to remind people to forgive others to also maybe seek forgiveness for someone else. I guess they must be. Danny must be a lasting message that you want other people to have that have been through trauma. Lucky you have to be reminded. I think for us i forgive day. It's a day of remembrance. I leave the kids in memory of the kids. Beautiful and veronica and it's a day that can apply in their lives. It's an all inclusive. Die for all walks of life where people can stop and reflect and say you know what men. I've been holding a grudge it my friend for a long time. Maybe say you know what i forgive you. Ask for the know. Stuffed up the other day on. Sorry can you forgive me. And the state government loved the. Id and minister tyler. She wanted to be a part of it because she knows. There's a lot of mental health benefits in forgiveness. Where when you forgive you you you so free from any bitterness and anger and those things aren't good for ya health if you hold them for long you start to deteriorate slowly light. There's lots of people who don't have faith but the message of off forgive day cuts through to the alof. As will they look at you buys. I look at others it. Mike's saints in the middle of tragedy. Doesn't it yeah. Forgiveness is for everyone only for people who have faith. We all did forgiveness in other laugh and we all deserve forgiveness Like i said before. Everyone have some problems. Have some challenges in their life Or they don't get along with someone. Something happens in their life. That is different counter forgiveness. You can forgive your wife you know as you can forgive your friend. Your mother your partner. We all deserve forgiveness but all deserved to be at peace. We all deserve to have a better life at a better understanding of Of ourselves and of of the other person that is something in a psychologist that explained about the eager subconscious mind and why people do what they do say are descended. Then maybe gives you high chance in Understanding forgiveness. Danny willie the other impacts that has come from this. Tragedy has not only been offer. Give die but it's also been the four angels which was titled in the new south wales parliament the she it will bring tougher penalties for people with drugs and alcohol and they system who a behind the wheel. We do change in that area. We so much. Aww of tragic incidents can be linked back to alcohol and drugs will off the what happened with kids. There's been another four tragedies petitions have been hit and they all have one thing in common drugs and alcohol and speed. So mr constance spoke and they've changed the lords called four angels more before if someone got breath test and that will meet range. They didn't have to drug test them now. It's compulsory and the charges are a lot harder now. So if you get pulled over in your mid range breath test they automatically know half the drug test you and if you get caught for both charges it's hefty penalties. We need to change in society. We need did indeed. Is letter k to speed up the road enter. Take drugs and alcohol and kill kids on the road. It is unacceptable and we hope their parents have experienced adjusts Experienced and if it can make a difference that in i are committed to it cross. War is your ongoing message to liana and michael particularly the boys so young with this happening. What's you what you ongoing message to them. As they grow up. They've every time i look at them. Heart breaks into pieces that they get to grow up without the brothers and sisters a over. I keep telling them is a a'ja lena in seattle are always around. Their spirit is alive they can see you from heaven talk to them speak to them speak to everyone they do but somewhat alex are you the oldest. He says i'm gonna be five. Eighty is the at his in heaven. either that the growing without them physically i will have to the that This gets the always will be part of our family and we always be talking about them praying for them. and danny. What a bit you. Mrs to beyond your family. What's what's your constant on-going message to a community that is seen and watched what you've been through and who a very strong message from you by about forgiveness and so on what's your message food so my message would be to the greater community about fatherhood about forgiveness about having that masculine role with the kids but having a soft heart serving not being served looking after them treating him as a friend. And i'm happy to share those tools with with fellow men about the importance of fatherhood. And you have already haven't you both of you really santa mesa june are now. You're both helping people that have been through similar trauma to you which must be so important for you to to bring a message to those people who what you did these very important. We've become now the call it a club that you don't wanna be club of grief and we reach out when something happens between reach out to a lot of people and talk to them and not maybe early in the piece. The funeral and someone does that first. Two months is always support. We try and reach out after the second month and just say goodbye because that's when it becomes challenging after a couple of months when everyone starts to leave in people come back to normality and trying to find the new person that you become after a loss of of life especially a child which if someone needs aspirant to them before We have a coffee with someone overseas. Someone who doesn't need aspe- just follow people who who needs us. We feed that has become a recalling life being there for other people and give them strength and don't have to say anything just by them looking at us though they stop and think this family have lost three of their kids. They still guarding and it touches their heart and they think they can do it. I can do it even the woods suffering. We're all we're all going to suffer on this earth. All of us you me. Everyone but one thing you realize it's it's suffering. what do you do with. Do you call up the ball. And don't do nothing or do you try and find some. Make some good out of that suffering. We all have to suffer. We're going to go through something in life sal messages to the world. Is that suffering for some good. Yeah like some good in the midst of our suffering was still feel like we still blessed with still have leandra alex and market next to us. I still have my husband beside me. I still have family around. We've got the love of the community of the support of the australian community So we still look at the good inbetween. What happened to us. And we still try to turn the loss of our kids into sub-grade goods to the whole world where they can stop reflect love. Forgive our biggest valley is faith family. Love forgiveness said the midst of your suffering of sure. There's something to be grateful for. Just still try to look at the positive in your life and trust me where you load to forgive and to let go of your anger that will allow you to the world in a whole. Different perspective lila. Danny thank you so much. You told him thank you. Thank you so much for having us. God bless you and have a good day On friday april nine twenty twenty. One samuel davidson was sentenced to twenty years in jail. Twenty one of those with no chance of parole judge. James bennett described his driving as menacing and said tragedy was inevitable. We're very grateful to lila. And danny fissuring their story for more details about. I forgive day to forgive dot com if anything in this episode has raised concerns for you. Help is available by calling lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. Thanks to creator and director matt clark and executive producer katie jackson. I'm daniel join us for the next episode of the worst day of your life.

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Liana Werner-Gray | Anxiety-Free with Food

You Can Heal Your Life

18:28 min | 7 months ago

Liana Werner-Gray | Anxiety-Free with Food

"Hi podcast listeners. Have you heard about the. Hey house unlimited audio mobile app. It gives you unlimited access to every. Hey house audio. That means you can listen to endless hours of audiobooks. Meditations lectures and more tell you transform your life enjoy new releases and treasured classics anytime anywhere. While you take your morning. Walk washing the dishes or before you go to bed whether you want to improve your sleep expand your mind. Connect with your spirit guides. Heal your body or simply needs some motivation to reach your goals. Everything you need is right at your fingertips and with no credits or limits and truly unlimited listening. You'll never be short on inspiration. You can start your free fourteen day. Trial now apple users visit. Hey house dot com slash apple and android users visit. Hey house dot com slash google. Hello everybody it's read tracy. Welcome back to the you can. Heal your life podcast. Today were joined again by liana warriner gray. She's author of several books. Are latest book is called anxiety free with food before that she had cancer free with food. So she's getting rid of all your problems with food. How you doing liana. i'm good. thanks read. Yeah that's true. I love that getting rid of public with food exactly in more ways than one right because you had the earth diet before that you are helping people eat more naturally and you had you know your own problems that brought you to all of this Your own issues with cancer and you discovered out how food was a big part in your healing and then you've been working with a bunch of people since then and helping them heal their allies with food basically. Yeah exactly read. There's my story exactly exactly and so as we move from cancer. Free food free with food. Ang's using food to help with anxiety. Is i think more. It's a newer concept. Like i've heard a lot about what you eat and how it's important for your health for your physical health. But i haven't heard as much about helping with your mental health which anxiety would be toward. So can you give us a little background on how you came up with this idea for sure. Yes our food and the connection to mental health always been a passion of mine and especially since covance dotted anxiety started plaguing millions of more people around the world so along with depression it affects at least fifty five million people in the united states learn these stats which is still high school it will. This is a great time for me to start putting this passionate to work and write about the foods that have been proven to reduce anxiety. And i wanted to research all the top foods on earth. That are helpful to reduce the anxiety that have been studied and tested have had trials that was super fascinating during quarantine. That's what i did. I decided resort chain and it's amazing. Read because this sore much evidence out there that shows that food is sore powerful in helping on mental health and it can immediately reduce anxiety or can immediately trigger anxiety and sword. That's what i play into the book. I think you're getting a lot of chances to see if it works right now. So many people like you said. I have anxiety. So what are some of the foods you think you have ten foods that help reduce anxiety. What are the yes. The top ten foods to reduce anxiety and this is based on the ones that have been studied the most have been most effective so first one is dot leafy greens sir such as kale and spinach and parsley and this is mostly because of the chlorophyll content in these dark leafy greens and that helps to put oxygen into the body so diseases anxiety. Any nervous system issues like that. The hates oxygen oxygen really helps with that sudoku degrees took first place runs. Yeah so people could use that. You can put it in a smoothie. It doesn't have to be this long hot process of getting these dark leafy greens in every day it can be as simple as taking some chlorophyll drums and dropping into water and they have are serving of dark leafy greens and a dose of chlorophyll. Let's hear some more of them. Okay so number. Two is walnut because of their really good fat and also will not look like little brains and the doctrine of signatures all the digits. People believe to eat foods that look like Organs and sort walnuts normally look like brian so they have a lot of research and science behind how they help with brain health with cognitive function with focus and reducing anxiety. Bring number three is true. Merak Schumer is a great anti inflammatory end when people are experiencing anxiety for hours at a time or even days at a time. The body is under a lot of stress and so a lot of inflammation is happening. So tumor helps to go in and reduce inflammation and has also a lot of antioxidants. That's number three number. Four is wild salmon or other fatty fish. And that's because they maga's in the fish and also disclaimer. You know some people are vegans. That don't wanna do fish. Some people might be allergic to walnuts. Even their you know number two producing anxiety pick from this list from what resonates with you. So number five is avocado so again really. Good healthy fats. Number six is olive oil and really good healthy fats. The to number seven is coconut. Oil again really healthy fats. Where seeing a trend here with your magazine. How we need a mega to help out. Brain number eight is broccoli and broccoli sprouts so again those dock leafy greens green vegetables number nine. Which i'm probably most excited about is cal. So that's like real chocolate in its purest form and number ten is jinja usually helps with your stomach and the right. How does that help with anxiety does it helps with nausea to reduce cotton nerves so it helps with the nervous system a lot and also there's a lot of antioxidants it's also anti inflammatory. Look at the list that helps with anxiety and the list that helps with cancer. They seem pretty similar. Yeah pretty similar. In terms of these foods are really high in magnesium anti-oxidants a lot of vitamins nutrients especially the dock leafy greens with chlorophyll but in this list with the anxiety. Compared to the canceled is definitely more healthy fats. On this list because one thing that i learned with join this research that people who are deficient in our magazine and you can get a simple blood test to find out. If you are deficient omegas will most likely experience anxiety. And so when i was experiencing anxiety i went and got a blood test on a sure enough. I was deficient in her mega. So i just started taking supplements for that and boosting my omega my good healthy fats. And it changed my brain chemistry within a few days. It was remarkable. That's great so what foods should we avoid help. I'm sure of foods can help with anxiety. Foods can probably cause anxiety they certainly can said there. There is something coating diety producing foods. And they they trigger anxiety right away because they upset the nervous system and the very worst thing we can eat for anxiety is refined white sugar or cone syrup so refined sugars. the worst and also white flour like excess white flour that turns to sugar in the body so that triggers and also genetically modified organisms trigger anxiety. Theory is only so many preservatives. Chemicals additives at the body can handle before it starts to really upset the nervous system so all those foods are anxiety producing and should definitely be avoided especially someone is experiencing anxiety accents and recommend people combine changing their eating with other things in order to reducing zayed's or will the food do it just by itself. Yeah i do talk a lot about that. In the book or healing anxiety can done with all types of measures such as positive thing. It could be emotional healing and spiritual healing or spiritual awakening. Well but it can also be done with. Food and fruit is a very powerful medicine Just encourage everyone to us. Our intuition of like okay. Where's this diety coming from. Because for me it was purely physical. I quickly was able to fix out within a few days by balancing out the amiga's but for some people the anxiety could be deeply rooted in childhood trauma. Stuff like that. There's a lot more into it. But louis has some amazing affirmations or anxiety and actually put some in my arm into the book as well and serve some of the affirmations off that really help and it's great because when we think it does put different energy in our body and louisa way said that My she said my happy thoughts helped. Create my healthy buddy. Love that searcher Affirmations i put in are all is well with my soul. I breathe in piece. I breathe attention when i eat certain foods. I am aware of their power to immediately my nervous system and this makes me feel very in control. That's right yeah. I think it's a good idea to come combined the two things the hell help help people out. You know you're you're you're making your body and your mind better the help it get rid of it for a lot of people for yeah then. It's like a full healing as well and nothing's left out and one thing. I found fascinating about doing the research for this book. Was that a lot of studies have shown that food is actually way more effective in reducing anxiety and improving mental health than is medication because medications for anxiety have a lot of side effects on a lot of whereas foods as healthy foods. Dark give negative side effects. I mean unless you're allergic or something like that or going through detox but foods have been proven to be way more effective in reducing unhealing anxiety accents and i know as part of the book you also like have a seven day planned like just that you give people in order if you want to jump start at. You gonna take them step by step. What the do for seven days. Yes exactly so. I wanna people just got to read the book and quickly scouted to jump in and to experience the brain chemistry changing within seven days. Just like what happened with me and so. The recipes are all in their very simple recipes. My whole message especially with the earth diet. My first book is going back to nature going back to simplicity eating a lotta whole foods and healing the body with food in that way and the seven day plan. I definitely recommend to anyone who's experiencing a lot of anxiety and it'll be an experiment and see how you feel each day and see how you feel after the seven days sons and as have you worked with other people with some of these. Have you tested it out on anyone but yourself i have. Yes so. I got some friends together when i was putting together and we did the seven day. Anxiety-free plan together and they loved it and it was a lot of very clean eating and eating a lot. More healthy fats. As well and not the anyone gained weight they just felt like the brain was more nourished. And i think that people who are eating a lot of cobb's and a lot of refined sugars. These days the brain just feels scattered and all over the place in the nervous system has anxiety so everyone reported that they felt more calm. They felt more focused. They felt more solid. Energy was some of the feedback and yes. I'm excited for everyone to try that for seven days. Good and i know in the book you you go through everything you go through the research you've done and then you have a whole bunch of recipes like how do you. How do you put all your recipes together. Well that's always fun. I for me. I have hundreds and hundreds of recipes over the last eleven years now during this work sir. The recipes came from a place of. Okay what do people want to eat with. They have anxiety and a lot of it is comfort. Food made healthy. So i have things in there that like chocolate cheesecake ice cream some pasta dishes very comforting foods that we usually guard to if we feel stress but using whole ingredients for example one of the recipes in there. The chocolate sunbutter brownies. I haven't there is made with real cacao powder and some tiger flower people can also use almond flour as well with the sweeten. It could be honey. I'm able syrup. And then i add some versus sunflower seed butter to that bit of sea soul some vanilla and some gems to it. So now you have this chocolate chip brownie or you can make chocolate bowls and this. These are so delicious. Nourishing are healthy and you can legit these every day. Because they're basically medicine that's good. I know that when you use the visit here at. Hey how's yours would bring food for years and years. I'm happy to see liana when she walked dog like they would follow her to the kitchen to see what she made because recipes are she always would bring some fun treat like that that everyone was afraid to eat but then she said no. Don't worry about it. it's all good for you. So she got famous for real good tasting healthy desserts on your the queen of desserts. Yeah i would say. I do specialize in sweets because that was my sweet tooth. That's what got me into trouble in the first place when i was very addicted to sweets and junk foods but i was eating the wrong type of it so then when i healed the chiuri my lymphatic system. I just switched to whole foods. Sweets like using honeymoon coconut sugar and sorry to replace every craving. I had and i had a of sweet cravings all day every day. I just came up with these recipes. And so that's why i have so many healthy dessert recipes to this day roads. Not only it helps with anxiety but it can help change your diet and other ways like you'll have a lot of benefits for the anxiety that these foods help but also if you're eating traditional sweets and carbs and all that it's going to help you. I think this will accidentally help you lose weight to it does. Yeah and i. I thought it out to actually heal my body and to dissolve. The tumor assert weight. Loss was a bonus for me. I did lose quite a lot of weight even from eating twenty chocolate goals day because that was a major upgrade is what i call it from eating the conventional chocolate that i was previously. Eating people always love that they either. He'll cancer anxiety mental health or psoriasis. Whatever it is and then they lose weight its barness or it's awesome to win win. Great well leon is going to be reading her anxiety free with food. It'll be available in the app when the book comes out and also we're going to be have adding cancer-free with food in the house unlimited audio app to and and that's a great place to go to combine all of Leon is great knowledge on nutrition with a little mental health many of our other authors. There's all kinds of anxiety free. Meditation affirmations from louise and other things in there too. So it's a good place to put it all to work so you can. You can hear what's gonna help you. You can get the book of 'cause you're gonna want to have those recipes in front of you but it's a good combination. Do you have anything you want to leave us with. Liana just like love to say that you know. I grew up in alice springs in with an indigenous rich culture and i learned from them from a young age that everything is available and that we can at least increase chances of healing. If we focused on eating foods that are medicine that comes straight from the earth austral- from spirit while straight from god as they believed and certain to not. Just give nothing that. We have to suffer with the same health issue for an entire lifetime. So just want to remind people of that and then also i. When i was doing research for the book i started to look at all the different plants and herbs and indigenous things from all around the world and roots that help to heal the brain and help with cognitive function. So i started taking like twenty different supplements every single day. And then i decided okay. I'm going to combine them. Sir i made my own supplement formula. That can really help people if they want to. You know. I've taken them every single day since and serve. That can really help people. If they're not able to start with healthy foods right away. You can take supplements and that way. I'm start to change your brain while you get into the groove of incorporating more healthy things to your diet as well so you can take supplements when you don't have time to make your healthy recipes. Yes exactly and then at least you feel good about you've taken care of your brain in that way and you have peace of mind that you did some brain nourishing. Well thank you very much liana. Anki started much read and thanks to everyone. Who's listening would love to chat with you guys on lines a message and say hi anytime.

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 6

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 6

"Mars cubes keeping a beach close enough. So that space between you and me. Lose the way all dance and sway into the muse. Edgar they body and how you move and every time you cross my girl. Losey Alexa, play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today. Some game, right. Offense. Oh, you are a. Day. Awesome school. You are. Teams boys and ghouls welcome through the audit shape, e boo and boo. I'm your host, Mike blood. All right. Get out of here. Nick Wilson get out. Gotta you gotta you're a rockstar to to go practice with. Hey, everybody. Sorry about that distraction honor of the late in Holiday Inn, true being beef fashion. We are behind on the tread the real Mike bloom. It's here. Talk about episode six of survivor, David versus Goliath. Thank you all for staying past that horrendous intro for those have really been through the first thirty seconds. We're here to break. Everything down on a really exciting panel here. Let me first introduce our spring loaded killing machine Liana Boris Liana. How are you? I'm gonna say we'd better do a better job on this podcast and the brownies did on that Amir new challenge. But I think what the intro we've already lost that. Okay. That's fine. We can dump as much water as we want. The the wells already drop the liquid our listeners. And I think we just I I was the Mike why just dropped completely and it's still diverse. Jeff Brooks is freaky out of a we're so happy, no matter who might be listening to be joined by this guy, if you are an international survivor listener, he's no stranger. You have heard him talk. Endlessly doing this fantastic coverage of Australia survivor champions versus contenders. They just spent the past few minutes feeding vegetables to each other over our respective microphones Nikai danza, welcome back to the BNB. How you doing? Thanks for having me goes. And if you went hemorrhaging listeners with that introduction. You definitely go to be hemorrhaging listeners because people have to be listening to voice again after very long and winding stralia and saw apologies old you out there who have to hear my voice again. But I'm so excited to be. He lost having me. Yeah. Of course. Well, Nick, I guess we could just like cut straight to it. Because you had a really interesting sort of jog o- across the sea, basically from covering, Australia and survivor too. You know, I think we were Australia survivor NDA to concurrently with David versus Goliath season going on so sort of what was your transition from Australia and survivor back into the American version? And now that we have sort of have officially ended the pre merge structure of this season. What have your thoughts on it? So far. It's funny because like the second civil of US of office season of the year, I'm always soil like hesitant to get involved with. I just feel like gone through this like months and months of strategy and survivor that just goes way too long way too much, and I just had being JAT like these Halloween kids just like binging out a way to much candy, and then Americans have office, and I just like need to take a break because heroes healers hustle is odd didn't I didn't listen to the I didn't stop that until about five or six weeks. And I've binged it, but I got started on me. I watched the first episode I was hooked. So like, the usual curse of straddling survival. Keeping me away did not keep me away. Because this has been really really really fun. It's so fun for this coast. Actually that should be the new metric of how good a season is like screw ranking. Screw whatever it is that people wanna use like, well, Nick happily watch this then. They're all in Las trillions survivor. That really is the true metric, exactly, right. Exactly. Right. So good. I I'm loving it. Like, the absurdity of some of these like votes, and of some of the topics that had been brought up jacket, gay, and everything is just that's why I love civil have it because it's you can never predict what is going to be the topic. When throw people together like cave is always blindsides alliances. But it's these random stupid things which just make my heart sing, well Liana. What did you think about this most recent episode? I know that I put out the call on Twitter to to rank the pre merge episodes, and I know that ranking can be arbitrary and reductive according to other RHA podcasters, but I figure, you know, why not I would say that for me at least this was still a good episode. There are a lot of positives. I wanna talk through and did end up sort of six out of six by default just because the other five before where so much fun while there. Were on moments. I mean, it's always going to be tough to come off the high that was jacket gate, and so it was always going to be a tough act to follow. But I felt like this was pretty straightforward in comparison to some of the other episodes, which I would say maybe had some higher highs. What do you feel about it? Yeah. I think interesting because from Natalie's boot which was if I had to gun to my head rank them, which I'm not saying I would. But if I had to Natalie that boo would have to be number one. So of course, you're going to have a little bit of a drop off afterwards. But I think what I really appreciate it about this episode was the fact that going into the immunity challenge. I honestly had no idea who was going to go to tribal council because we got to see a little snippet of the dynamics and setting up a potential boot on every single tribe and just from an editing perspective that was something that I really appreciate it. Once it turned out that the purple tribe was going to go then it was a little bit more clear. I think although for me, I was still questioning. Rob is the one who talked about this whether or not Mike was going to pull himself from the game. I had that first. What's second? But then I think you know, it sort of became a little bit more clear to me that was going to be the boot on that road. Interesting. Because I I was I was not so clear on the outcome. I I personally thought it was Angelina. But I think what what really Angelina Jolie that's so clear on the outcome of that. I love this. I love this. But I the thing that really did it for me was my favorite part of the episode. Honestly was this host immunity challenge? Pretrial council stretch because you know, I feel like Nick user taught this, but the international seasons this year how unfortunately they do to the American game structure nowadays, we're sort of deprived of what it's like to have like four or three people left in the game. And how they sort of figure out the MacIntosh voting for each other. It's very rare that we still get that an American version, but because at this job any tribe was down to only four people. We've got some really interesting combinations of. People. I know it's been mentioned before. But that scene where you have, you know, Mike talking to Lisa in the water while a stone's throw away, you have nigga talking with Angelina. I thought it was just a really nice counterpoint. And really I thought it was going to be Angelina going just because you had my going back and forth about these things. But I thought actually the most gripping part for me was just as Jeff sending the energy challenge. Sometimes survivor you had nowhere to hide. And it seemed like what has issues, unfortunately, is that there was nowhere to hide there were only four people. Definitely a definitely thought it was Angelina going home. Like, I was so sold on that. And I was like really surprised about well as if we're losing Angelina and Attlee before. The merge portion of an I was like totally ready to beer in feluccas so much longer because she was just going to slug through. So I was really surprised and I'm not down on this episode, compounded. The other ones I actually really enjoyed this. Because I knew I go to come on and talk about it. But like, I just really I loved I loved them in the water talking to each other. I love when it's like full people. And it was just like you two people go off and the other two than the to Pez switch and then the those two people go off. I was the smallest trauma. I was a pup trauma five, and it's very very weird strategizing on a tribe of five people, and I can only imagine how we did. It would be judge is in trouble full people. So I I was all in on this episode. Yeah. Strategizing with that's people. It's sorta like a key party or like everyone's like, oh, I picked yours out. I guess it's our turn to sort of have a conference and everyone else to hang around and do whatever they like. Already. You get to throw you coconut keys in a bowl. And then you pick it. That's what Barry's had was four, right. We had talked about Barry anymore. It's easy on a try a small small trod. It's just really weird because like you so sketched at your real sketch bowl as as Nick would say, you know, you always think that any moment someone's going to help out of the bushes. But like when this four or five people they really on like you can clock where everyone is and keep track of them pretty easily. And it just makes it so much more fun being dead knowing that you actually can have those conversations, and it's going to be like shut down at a moment's notice. Well, yeah. Because literally at the beach, the two pairs could see each other like we could see them in the background of the other pair having the conversation. Like, it's very clear who's talking to who when you only have four people on a tribe, and you you'd have to assume that there's some sort of level of understanding as well because these are also for people who are pretty big fans to a certain extent, even though Angelina is a recovering bachelor addict. I think that there is a certain like a nod between everybody to be like, all right? We're going to go strategize. Because it does seem like this was. Group that end maybe said a bit differently in my in my view with her that she wasn't necessarily going to be Jeb Benny strong. But I think they all at least had some dedication to each other that this really did feel like a heartbreak loss. I mean, Mike white the guy who was talking about like slitting throats. Mr. reality TV veteran was besides himself after the challenge about actually getting rid of someone which was another interesting sort of element as well. I forget it. I think this is Josh maybe talked about this on the wiggle room. This week about how this season is really playing up. I guess the human element in addition to the strategic element. But I feel like we are we are pushing the human element even more than we did in previous seasons. And we see here yet again when we get to see not only not necessarily the emotional ramifications of playing survivor, but the emotional ramifications of voting somebody out, which we get sometimes we got that during the Stephanie Johnson boot and ghost island. But otherwise, I feel like in modern survive rates. It's a general understanding that that's how the game is played that it's barely talked about on screen. So I'm always grateful when we really. Tap into that, emotional qualities, even if some alumni, you're saying, you know, crybaby island park too. I personally enjoy it. I think actually that's interesting because the one I'm thinking about the three sort of scenes that we saw before the immunity challenge where Elizabeth her sort of freak out was sort of sold to us is this strategy sort of thing like it could be my God, the alternative against Elizabeth. But are really was in emotional thing. It was like her. Oh my gosh. And her can we just talk about her faces dinosaur. Dinosaur faces. So good hurt. The I don't do well with lazy people dramatic sniff s and stupid people, which is so good. And I love having that in there. But then it's still put in terms of strategy. So I feel like I'm getting both. And that's what I really appreciate about the season that I feel like it does that it really can mix the two together. Really? Well, yeah. I actually went to it reminded me of when she when she was making this like when you used to teach the movie black swan like the point we'll let the watts one is transforming into the black swan. She's making these really we'd body movements and let knees bending backwards. Like I was expecting like Elizabeth skin to just like Tara PA. And misled we're this thing, but burst at and it was that was trauma. Just like keep it in keep it in keep it I to stop down for a second. You teach the movie black swan. Yes, I'm going to very liberal school say like they get into some pretty lascivious stuff there. I mean, I it seems like a little bad for me. I'm nearing thirty years of age specifically when she was like, ripping her skin off. I'm like, I don't know about the fifteen year olds are really getting behind Darren off ski. Definitely go up behind that one scene. Wait. I'm sorry. I want to go back to this concept of Elizabeth being a lizard person. And. Behind the man. Crazy. I lose it. There. We didn't even know it the entire time. I can imagine she gets the final tribal council, and she's like, well, y'all can't believe I made it. It's an ally must finally reveal who I truly add my name is Dr the lizard people. I knew it. Yes. And then it'd be like now Cana does Elizabeth winning the game ruin the game for the rest of the lizard. Another person be taken to the end and win. This is the new thing. This is like the new Jeremy revealing that he's having a baby like forget that like reveal your lizard, the fun of Trump. And that is how you Elizabeth thirty seven hundred thirty seven terms of winner ranking should only one can she revealed? She was a lizard person at the end. Really have to just count her winner when because of that because on lettering. Took us a few minutes post vampires to get into the insanity. That is Elizabeth is a lizard person conspiracy theories of what they're going to be a record ten minutes. And we've. What's getting into her usual fare here? Let's go back to Lisa, and let's talk about how we thought Leon. And I thought your said what do preseason now Lisa general reception behind her was working fun character? Sometimes doesn't do well and survivor. Indeed, you know, every tribal council she went to she was targeted. She was the cat with three lives that expended them. All liana. What was your personal take on how Lisa would do preseason? Okay. So I did have Lisa going pre jury, and this is what I wrote. So Lear says here to play the game. And while her daring game play is exciting. It alternately leads to her downfall. She found herself in a tight alliance early and she loyal until the pencil vote turned on her allies. The now I- conic pencil vote causes her alliance to call her a can of dirty backstab and vote her out of the game. Lisa leaves the game with a positive attitude and returns to kick boxing undergrad that Ponderosa. Oh boy. I don't want us. All right. Nineteen year olds come in. You know, you want an internship, but this girl's gonna take out her anger at her tribe. Members by kicking you in the face. Yeah. So you'll you'll predictions just get more and more oddly specific. This is not how you win goes. This is the this isn't me. Okay. Focus for a second. Like, can we speculate? What this pencil vote could be or is there a pencil vote that we just haven't given a connotation to yet that's trail like what was the pencil? But I don't know the I said she loyal until the pencil vote. So obviously this had to have happened. The I can't be wrong. So when did she turn on somebody was it, Jessica, I guess she was trying to save herself though. I have no idea how to make sense. So wrote her answer with a bird. They do they write with pencils. They're like little chuckle. If they want with pencils, Aubrey what have done a much better job and co wrong. So I don't know necessarily true. Shop either they let rep would around. So try to make it look like it's a piece of pulled out a fire. Right. It's like, oh, yeah. I've no idea. But apparently, I also wrote that her closest ally was be probably because she was kickboxing undergrad so total swinging miss on that one. It's like, yeah. Oh and worst enemy Elizabeth or Elizardo Beth is you well, so really knocked it out of the park ear. Well, we'll see how it compares because I lear- some making the jury I was one vote on. So so close I said that Lear says shirt will somehow stay pretty pristine throughout her time in the game. She came in with like, a pretty white Hawaiian shirt. It's not as grandiose as Alec Murli knows. But it's still something to be commented on I said Jeff will call her out in at least one swimming challenge. I said it she and John Hennigan will get along prompting a funny picture when it comes to size comparison. And to her dad's consternation as she will get blurred. At least once I think her debt her dad, if you remember thought she was going to go on naked and afraid. I also said her closest ally. I would be I think I think it really is kick boxing connection that just never came to fruition. And I said her worst enemy would be Jessica. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I when you first said blurred. I thought of because. Way too long to figure out what you were talking about. Like, I don't know gives a new definition to blurred lines. Don't call Robin Thicke on this one. I'm waiting for a one off to happen now in the next few weeks called blurred lines about if Davies Google if Davies throwing fishing lines are like throwing a pick up lines to people I feel like blurred lines has to be a thing. Yeah. Blurred line if someone gets on and wins with that like you need to get credit because that's that's a really really good audience. I'll take the brim of the wombat. I'll that's that's my compensation. That's like my ten percent. All right, Nick, so gut slim Pickens here, but which which which pick we'll have the other person's saying excuse me. Well, I was going to say off to hearing Leon. There's no way she's winning. But I got to say on nj leaning more towards towards Liana. I think that you definitely. Definitely, I don't know. I feel like the fact that you had going mach that you had to go into the jury just kind of really threw me because I'm never would have predicted that until maybe like a so that she was getting this close. So I'm going to give it to. I feel like maybe this is sort of like, I guess the meta of how we approach things at least from my perspective. There are I would say at least three or four people where people are like. Nope. They're never gonna make it. And I would say at least one of them always able to slip through somehow like last season. I think you could say like Angela is a good example where I think it have come up bit stern in the preseason. Where people like oh God. No, she's I gone, and you sort of like learn your Lauren. Remember, I was a good example to from from thirty five. We're like I feel like there is one exception to the rule only one slot of like a preseason doomed person is able to make their squeak their way onto the jury in hopes that it would be Lisa I will not reveal who my other preseason. Pre jury were. But at least one of them may throw onto the jury as a result. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out who like that's left is like an obvious target. The only person I could maybe think of is like Gabby. But even that like, I can see I could see a world where she makes it the. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm really enjoying the people that have chosen the cost is yet this season. So like, I'm genuinely interested in all of that. And my Winnipeg with Jeremy and like, and that's probably the worst I've ever done. So it's actually the fact that I didn't even care that he's gone because there's so many other interesting people it's very good for the season. It's very good one. That's also what makes it entertaining for me is just having people that I genuinely care about I care about who goes home, you know. And that naturally makes you more invested in the season. Just quick question. Do any chance that Natalie Cole gets invited back for another season. Well, choose one of Jeff Probst players to watch. I would say there's a difference between Natalie Cole getting aspect and Natalie Cole deciding to go back 'cause I reckon because I think that the from her approach in my exit interview with her she was a bit skewing towards the Foley angle of I'm a little angry that I was edited in this particular way. And it seems like Natalie also is sort of like my life is fine. I don't know if she necessarily feels like she needs to go back feels like she has unfinished business in any perspective. So I think it really depends on how she feels about her depiction, and whether or not she wants to maybe that serves the chance for her to redeem herself and say, I want I want to show them a different type of person that the Jerry Mandy style of doing it. We're might just her the quote, another Goliath saying f it and say, you know, what I think I'm good, but just one and done survivor. I could see it being someone chosen for like a second chance poll. TSE hit. I think that makes sense that she would be somebody who would be considered. I think what would be interesting to know, though, is because she had such a positive fan reaction. But it seemed like she didn't really know that or that was how it felt in a lot of her exit. And yeah, so it's sort of as time goes on maybe she'll realize that people really really enjoyed her on the show and would want her back. Maybe that would help if Mike your prediction is true that she may be hurt. She personally. No know, my actions are not true at this rate. Okay. Well, I guess I'll run it through the and we'll see what we got. That line. I think honestly, it's all about she needs to embrace the memes, and I think she has to a certain extent. But like Angelina I thought today fantastic job embracing the means to the point where like she actually turned into charitable work. I don't know if you guys saw this last week. But she's like, hey for those of you that were tweeting me to give me a jacket. You can go to goodwill and actually donate a jacket. If you want to use it send send me a picture of it. And all you know, I'll send you something. I think that's like I do like the goodwill can actually be born out of the means. It's very rare on survivor, but I kind of feel like especially nowadays Natalie needs to like a embrace the jen's e population of it, all and just buy into all the fantastic names that have come out of the reign of Queen Natalie. But I feel like it's a lot easier for people to embrace the means who've made the merge the cream. Who's me Mable? Yeah. I just feel like in my in my personal experiences savant of the people that don't lie. They have a really tough till? I'm like with the off to the often math, and and really kind of like separating the positive from the kind of the silly and the negative and stuff. But anyway, oh, well, well, Nick, we as per usual. We have each bringing a discussion question about the episode the season survivor in general to throw around the panel. What goodies have you brought in your after the fact trick or treat basket for us? This episode. Okay. So I thought this episode like was interesting. Tens of you watch the two challenges, and you listen to Jeff's commentary, and I feel like Jeff is just like getting so shady lucky he loves like, you're really hacking into the to the trial out there at one point. He was saying it looks like there are two tribes. You know, how to play survivor at one tribe who doesn't even know how to begin like survivors one thing carrying a giant disc full of water is another. So he's really really like right Riemann on them. And then he took all the Hotz note in. And then they just get the performance to match and then even said like day seventeen a day. None of them will ever forget a day that will live in the don't don't make this the Pearl Harbor of the Betty tribes. So I got me thinking like Jonathan was was vocal during the offseason, but he was still trying to find his face. He wasn't vocals audited have too much experience with a host throwing kind of no shade while you're competing, and it made me think what would be the most demoralizing thing to hear during a challenge by the host. Oh my gosh. Well, that actually reminds me of when Natalie was blindfolded at during that one challenge and Java's another it's not going, well or something like that. I can't imagine being blindfolded knocking able to see what you're doing and having the host berate you for doing something wrong. Like, you can't even fix it. Because you can't even what's happening. Like that must be terrifying. I love Jeff during this challenge because it was very like this Neagle and Ghalem parts of his producer persona. Whereas. Jack Benny, we once Japanese to lose, oh Pechiney has so much heart loves the job any they've perfect Davidson is so like you can see a man torn in that moment as to like what's going to make the best TV moment. And he started real sour that came around to sweep the end like look at them. They're not giving up even when they literally gave up. They have given up yet. Of felt like to me that he was like, all right. I'll just take both approaches. And then I can just pick whichever one in the way they want to they can trim out. My main comments like the actor like, okay, I'll give to pasta. I'll give two different takes us, whichever one you want to and then we'll use as a professional at this point. So I guess maybe for other challenges, and they just don't show it. But that memo. The night it to the editing bay through it all in there. Now. Just looks just like this complete Jekyll hod moment of what she missed. Although it wasn't really waiting for something the David versus Goliath EM Hake. Even though they kept going even though took them four times kept spilling water much like David spilled water or something that like Jeffrey understands the David Goliath story that would have been great. So your question. I mean, I'm not going to try to tech chino check too much into like my therapy conversations that think about what's the most demoralizing thing that someone could say this, buddy. I don't know. I guess what? Do you think strikes? Most at a survivor player and makes them feel the worst. Could he compare them against player other players like previous players, but he'd be like you're doing worse than MRI with a broken leg from San Juan del sore? Like is are we going in that direction? Could be could be definitely people there worried about is that they like edit is worse than the other person. They're going to get shown in a negative light. That could be a wow. Like, this person is really mock is really really struggling to do something Liana would never struggle with carrying that disk. I think my favorite ones are when he's really close to them physically. Like, he's not just giving commentary from faraway when he's like right next to them when they're doing the puzzle. I think that because then it's like drill sergeants sort of yelling in your face. You're trying to do it. Like, I can't imagine. That added pressure of him being close to you would also be so intense. All right. I got it. I think I've found the perfect solution. How do we feel about Jeff Probst doing your momma jokes? Oh my God. I see that with tenor. Of course, what have you go on your mama's so bay we have to dig deep twice as much to get her in the sand. Oh, yeah. Anything about people's family like, whoa. That whole that is note that you'll family you're gonna be so disappointed in you. What is the choking? So we're just coming off of Halloween. So we're talking about people fears of clowns, spiders, or whatever, but really like being ashamed and really being shamed. In front of your family like, whoa. What does it the Tyson? Always says it's public shaming of that has to do publicly. Shamed. Them. Trying to cross a bridge in slow wannabe unit. Couple of months watching this bag with your children. Magin how they're it's your family will be hoped. Your life is getting another apartment to live. Like, you better watch any close male friends. You have I think that like Jeff can do is. When you ask family members. Like, okay. Do you want to be this person's loved one say, okay what I want? You to do is send in a video reaction a one really happy. Like, Jeff doesn't the challenges. Give me two takes one really happy one very disappointed in angry. And maybe what he does he gets out one of these. These cheapo depot phones that they pump pimped out on previous seasons. Like the spin sprint palm pre. They're like Elizabeth. Here's your daughter, very sad in in your performance in this challenge. How does this make you feel? Komo going on. We'll be great as then you bring up full circle in the family. Visit happened. I'm be like, so, and we have, you know, Jessica sister coming on Jessica, you would not are just gonna sister. You would not believe how bad Jessica did in this challenge. Terrible. Let's go the tape. Yeah. They did that with a Colby and read the need. He say something to read about like he's been like this the whole time. Just because. Anything that he could like the so many ways that you can just demoralized people out there and people already just add their lowest like, Jeff like we didn't need you as well. What what what would Elizabeth have done if like coup Vuko lost that reward challenge? If Jif was demeaning them while it was going on like I can't do this with his frigging head off. Lizards do ran off. Bush got into a little spice you've flown away to let the planet. Glacto exactly. Even though I don't know she'd seems like if her black doors mission is to eliminate humans or study their behaviors she might have accomplished the former because it seemed like let's get to the Elizabeth stuff. There was one point when she nearly through Carl into the fire with her gargantuan bamboo sticks. She was dragging back. Did you guys see that still good? It was so passive aggressive. It was like I'm trying to build this shelter and take this bamboo, and she just like soli shoves him in the fire, and he's like trying to dodge it is it sort of knocked them from the knees. Oh by Connick. I love the if Elizabeth is listening to this which I don't know if she is. I absolutely love Elizabeth she's the best and I'm so only Elizabeth trying but I'm gonna say watching that shelter thing. I wanted to weigh in as a place always play Wayne about these shelters. Okay. Okay. When you go out there. Right. I've been preparing this because it just cheeses me when you go out there in terms of making a show tub. You think you need to make his show too? Because you've watched survivor, you know, that that's just what you do. In the first episode the first couple of days, it's something that the whole team can get behind. You don't need to make show to the bottom. You just needed make his show to the top on the first fourteen. I twelve days of my season, we slipped on these lugs and these awful, I really super uncomfortable shelter. And it wasn't until I was sense the other trial that we would just like hell, and we just slept on the floor and it's freezing on the flow. But you can get around that bus stopping so many palm leaves and just sleeping on top of that. And I think the thing that people just do it because they think they have to when you watch the first episode of like heroes villains. The villains aren't wasting time making his show too. Because they didn't care about like looking like we got together and made this show too. And they know that you don't need it. So it's just like. Just like just make a roof and just sleep on the floor say the backside the Thanh save the potential of throw accidentally pushing you try made in the file with one of the beams and just sleep on the flow. Paypal would to the watts so but the ground gets cold. You're just saying you just deal with it with the palm like just like just keep ripping off old leaves palm leaves? Bush's just everything and you lay it on the sand. And then you sleep on top of those and it makes a really cushioning comfy bed. I had like so many great sleeps out there. Once I slept on the floor. Okay. It's now. So like, the villains were Nick were like, I don't know you and Craig doing this seesaw coach and Russell were doing and building the shelter. Yes. We definitely try that it didn't work because you're not a true Valen. Yeah. Exactly. I I was. I was I thought with the other thing the Elizabeth moment is that like she could have had like that admission that she had this back thing. And that she was really saw that could have been a moment that she used in a way to kind of get people on his side. And it could have been like a really touching moment that was unifying, but it just kind of felt like the coach she kind of lot bottled it up for so long it just kind of exploded out, and it became a really negative thing. And then people aren't going to come on your side about oh, well, let's just go to school back on stand. They're going to be like great. You got to sell back back to because you'll fighting with them. So sometimes it's better just to kind of like the honest and let that like don't let it simmer away for too long. And DEFINITELY DO not start taking the show for Paul on your own that is a bad bad mood. Well, so I guess my question is so it's not the problem that she did this. It was sort of the approach to it that she sort of just. Let it sort of exclaim out all at once rather than just sort of admit over time. Like, hey, my back's been killing me. Maybe it was she wants to get far away from the Pat incident to bring up the backstop because that just traumatizing the other interesting thing that I felt from this edit is that we were only really getting reactions from the other two David's on the tribe. And I don't know if that was to sort of put forward this narrative. Oh, the Dave. It's my turn on Elizabeth even though they have a majority. But it is interesting to me that like we didn't hear we heard narrow word from Karen nor Alec about their reactions to Elizabeth shenanigans with the bamboo. Well, no one knows what Alec was doing. But definitely care CARA. Cara CARA era. Okay. Sure. Was just so happy like we saw her confessional. She was just like I'm gonna stay quiet because they're fighting. So I think that's probably why you can see her in the background. But she's just like not tangle word and just staying very, quiet. So yeah, I think it was over the Dave it's going to turn on each other perspective. But she seemed happy about the whole thing. Would be I can't tell Tara is the luckiest or the unluckiest person on survivor because she was the person who was dead center when Jeremy and Natalie were going at it on that sandy hill, then she's front and center again when Elizabeth Dave you're going back and forth where it's just like, I'm not a I'm not a wacko. And he's like I didn't say you were a wacko. This is a half day job at cetera. So cameras unintentionally become like the defunct row audience member to all of these wrestling matches ironically enough, none of which feature the actual wrestler on the show. That is actually what you want to be you won't be the witness. You don't want to be in the middle of it. And I wish I had lent that. We'll speaking of the wrestle. Let's move onto our first game here in honor of the triumvirate that has come to light over the past few episodes from the TV tribe. This is going to be a game called know your broach show. And here's how it works. The great shut up Tim, and I have trolled these social media's of the members of the broach os. What I'm gonna do is. I'm going to provide the wording of a social media post. You were going to buzz in and say, which of the broach shows said that quote, if you get it, right? Get a point if you get it wrong. You don't get a point. A Tim has suggested for your buzzers Liana say, bro. Ana. And Nick say either Nick, bro or brick so I guess pick your poison there. I will take brick. Thank you. All right. So I will read a quote, it's up for grabs. Whoever wants to buzz in. I guess if you get a right? You get a point wrong, you get zero points and all the answers are going to be the name of a bro Chacho before we get into this. Nick, do you have any opinions about the broach chose that have come to prominence over the past few episodes? I love the dynamic between Joan and Christian, Dan. Like we could do that day. No, no. I think that that's fair. I will say the one funny thing about Dan was it was I think it's what Alison and Gabby. We're talking and then it was like cut to Dan, which is like big stick just like smacking it against doing nothing. This is the purpose of this that made me laugh like him him then. But then it was interesting because he's yes, smacking this caveman esque log against tribe flagpole and then cut to Christian who's like breaking twig over his knee. Just tastic timeout literally David versus Goliath, and I will say I liked the Phoenix other seen it because it might be the most homo or erotic thing I've seen on survivor and quite some time. I think John and Christian realized that as well because you know, as soon as one person said as soon as they both realize that it was the first time they were they'd ever fed someone or been fed immediately like start blushing and talking at the same time sort of like stumbling over each other's words. It's okay. It's okay. Also, I don't know if you guys caught this conversation, but it was John saying, what makes dancing cool is misdirection. He's comparing dance to magic. It was like, I'm British magic dancing. And then what was that? He used the moon. Walk the moon. We that's why dancing. Because it's misdirection. You think you're going full my God these back. I guess I don't know. I'm just by this logic. Hey, John thinks that David Blaine is the best dancer of all time or be things. Michael Jackson was an amazing magician that just nobody knew about I'm trying to imagine someone watching that and going that's what I need to do to not in the club. And then they go to go out, and they'll Jhansi and I'd just like throw a gloss of the wolves. Misdirection? Then just like you're just dancing like imagining like dancing with somebody at the club. And all of a sudden you reach behind their their ear plot. You're like a nickel. Out of your sleeves those tissues that just like keep going like. Like. Gonna win this dance. Start doing the Macarena and then at the dove spla- out of the. Yeah. I think we're stumbled upon something here. You know? I think that. Put on your mic white fedora and hit the club with with a rabbit in your hat. And I think you're ready to take on the town. All right. Well, okay. This is good. Yeah. We we took a big misdirection before we actually got to the game. So let's dancer way back. You will vote. It was about a game. But really, it's a dad dancing. All right. So let's let's start off here again buzzing when you think you have the answer. Also, we'll start off with some pretty easy one some layups. If you will these are the TV S cancers, my one hashtag SICOM wish teach everyone the importance of models in science EEG, muddle, Organon Ephron, I. On a Christian. That's correct. The full one my one psych hashtag SICOM which teach everyone the importance of models and science each model organisms and modeled problems when it'd be so easy to smear fruit fly research and laundry folding robots. I thought when you said modal we were talking about, Dan. And then I got distracted. Okay. My bad. Good. All right. Let's let's see moving on to question. Number two. If I keep finding idols I'm not gonna have any room in my pampered, Nick lakes. Break going to break. That is correct. The full tweet. If I keep finding idols I'm not gonna have any room in my pants for the other, quote, unquote, idle, okay? We. I I'm trying to figure out that means to give it to down there. And they're still Rome. I don't know if that's a is it like an insult like insulted himself. I feel like in some way. All right next one here next week smiley face on at impact wrestling, I. Liana john. That's correct next week smiley face on impact wrestling, I defend the title against a sociopath at real killer. Cross scary when someone uses their intelligence to excuse decisions that they are smart enough to understand are morally wrong early scarier for the sociopath that when my foot kicks his face glasses emoji. Christian. What is this about next week uncivil of it? He shouldn't just knew right next next time on some of it with its grueling. I don't know who real killer crosses. Yeah. Either. Next up Leon is ahead. Two two one live from the flight deck, if it isn't just that will. No idea just wants. Just want to say the word brick. Yeah. Yeah, christian. I'm sorry. That is incorrect Leon I'll give you a chance to steal here because Nick buzzed in prematurely. Live from the flight deck, if it isn't an F fourteen Tomcat, but it's still pretty shit. Hot. See you topside sixes clear, Dan. I'm sorry. The correct answer is Teri defeats the original shot show. It's all about misdirection, Jordan. What is this? Listen, I said, no, you're broach. The Roach is we're going to be from this season. So yes, Terry has joined the fray, okay? Why those funny? I was like, oh, that's funny 'cause Terry deeds. Okay. Okay. Well, it's obvious. Joe is Joe anglin option. Then. All right. So that was a bit of a goose egg. But let's move onto the next one. And see if you have luckily on as a head at two one over brick sometimes you just need to dive in and get a little wet. Rick Rick, Dan, that is correct of remain. You really don't like you really have is tweets thanked. Well, I do I do follow him onto. I haven't seen any of his tweets from this week because I've been pretty pretty lazy. But I do know that he loves a photo of him like in the shallow luck in his underwear or shirtless peaks. And I assume that that's one of like him. Himself in a hose with like a sunset and adobe behind. That's correct no dog, but it is him in a woman sort of like notebook style like embracing each other while they are sobbing wet. So I think daily day was actually the most adept of all these people for all the cyclones because like that's just as usual photo. Shoot weather. Yeah. Sorry. I'm busy checking his Twitter. Keating on the game. Just other reasons. All right. Let's move on. Let's evily on us distracted enough for this next tweet row. Parentheses Alex's, bro. Like Smurfs use Murph. Ronna. Yep. Liana on that is correct. Did he say, Alex? No, he said, I pulled the Natalie and accidentally. So it's such similar sounds the right there on the tip of the tongue next to each other, Alex. Is he saying again Alec uses bro likes? Mercy's murph. Okay. All right. Let's move onto this next one hosted without comment, and it's a link to William shatner's performance of Elton John's rocket break, less, Nick. Christian. Yes. That is correct. Oh, good only. Because surely the bro bolt signs kinda Roquette. No, you don't feel like Christian, honestly, talks a bit like William Shatner. So I wouldn't be surprised if he basis confessionals off of shatner's performance of rocket, man. Oh, man. Okay. So I actually had this random thought when I was watching me episode because I was watching the way the Christian moves and sort of the way he speaks. I feel like mimics the way he moves it. He moves in such an interesting way, but he designs robots like he does bio McKay for robots. I was like how maybe keep moves like his robots or maybe he's designing his robots wrong. Because I was like. Oh, man. He is a rose. I got I can't wait for final triple council. Here's what's going to happen. It and and Nick and Christian there and says, I am galactosyl lizard person. And Chris says I can do better. My name is Christian bought four thousand. I am the first Android play survivor. The Nick says, I'm a vampire, and so like you really have to choose who's the lesser of three evils out of all those. Yeah. I think I'm gonna give lizard the lizard book. No way. The listen, listen, listen, that's how you'd be elicited. A and the fun of trouble. The and has to be listened book. This sounds like some really weird version of rock, paper, scissors like vampire versus robot versus lizard person. Vampire, carry fight. The lizard, the lizard kick feet the robot. It's a work in progress will be playing it next week. I'm sure all right. Let's move on your all tied up as we move into these last bunch of questions. My thoughts on my game. Hence, far and hashtag tribe TV at survivor CBS smiley mode of con- smiley, motor con- Brig. Nick is a Joan it is John. You're Craig John is a is a fan of the emojis. I don't know if that means him in Mike white bonded, very easily. But yeah, that's that's the pension on social media. But what are now the emojis? I was it was it was a link to a video one of the secret confessionals Ray talked about it was actually really nice confessional last week about how he felt like he was pretty well connected with basically everyone left in the game, which we'll see if that bears fruit come the merge time. Good. All right, next one. Did you hear about the guy that got hit in the head with the soda can dot dot dot? He's lucky. It was a soft drink. Frick, nick. Is this like a Joe anglin tweet Osama? No, not a Joe Anglo tweet. Liane? I'll give you an I'll give you a guess. I let second I thought I was like, oh, this is like a Rupert, but tweet or something. This seems like I don't know is Malcolm an answer, Malcolm, always tweet stuff like this. No, I'm sorry. It was not, Malcolm. It was Dan Dan, took a break from the sexy photos to post a dad joke. Get you a man that can do both. But you, and I should be fans of the dead jokes. So this is exactly what's so much raining. What's dad to be joke, though, is that a special like bridging joke that we can get. You have to whatever it is. But you're doing it sopping wet. So it's kind of like eight halfway between being young carefree bachelor and Hof way between online non cool debt, daddy's are fully wet, but daddy's to be or just moist. We feel very uncomfortable. All right. Let's move on to our next one. We all deserve pancakes and morning sex shrug emoji. Oh, my. Nick. Fully. That's dan. That's correct. Yes. Most of the twenty sure these tweets were one right after the other so doing his expanding his brand. He is trying. He's trying to get so much like so many cheeks if from this, and he's putting in the. Good on it because it's a fulltime job trying to keep up with your social media presence. And if that's what's important to him than will done. I just like casting a wide net though. Like, he's gonna get all types of women's I fear. What happens if Dan Mason to the day thirty nine breakfast? And what people expect to the people that he's with. Well, we got one shrug emotion. Talking about the most homo erotic thing you are Mike. All right. Let's move on here. Just watch thirteen hours again with my kids. No explanation needed. Break nick. This John had kids John? Nope. That is incorrect. Liana Gary that is correct. Those like, oh, Terry kidding. Eighteen hours is a take on one hundred twenty seven hours. I dunno. It's the John Krimsky thirteen hours a secret soldiers of Benghazi. Right. Did not see that. So well next time Terry comes on. Only watch the real housewives of Benghazi. Which is also thirteen hours season. All right. Let's move on here. This is a bit of a long one. It's incredible. Just how much people take for granted in life acknowledging support everyone who helps you get to where you want to be extended hander to while you're at it. We all could all use a little more, positively and integrity in the world have an awesome week guys break, Nick. Jill egland. I'm sorry. Not JoAnne, Guam Liana. That is correct, Dan the onset. Dan. We did wonder a lot of Dan bootie for this for this quiz. Liane is when we finish. This Leon is going to go and plunder his self a little. Fully Amy below him. Know me all too. Well, nick. All right. Let's move on here. Only two questions left and we're tied up right now. So even after I applied for survivor dot flow. Now for interviews went through months of medical and psychological tests. And finally was told I made it after eighteen years of dreaming break, Nick Christian. That is correct Christian had a nice fun. Little like eleven tweet thread going on after the cast was released or when was the season premiered about his sort of anxieties, and he talked about eighteen years of dreaming. I still worried can I really go through with this, which we we saw partially sort of fleshed out when he finally got his big emotional scene. This week. I'm shocked. It wasn't Dan wishing for eighteen years. Eighteen years. I've wanted pancakes in the morning, and I won't do it supping with by my calendar covered and syrup. All right final final tweet here. Liana you need to get this right to tie it up. Okay. Cake veins. Brought yes, John that is. What? That me and things. So I believe his new wife had a birthday party and one shot was of these wrestlers like holding cake and their veins were so prominent that he had to tweet cake veins with about six exclamation points. That is the give a tiebreaker round that does involved. So first of all, I go cake vans because I was curious and. Responser me on Google was from a website called cake central. It's a forum for making cakes and somebody posted help Venus on our veins on penis cake. How to do the realistic is that a win by dago rent? January underscore rendering. Pena's geic. Oh, that's so funny. People have some people responded with answers. So and how do you make cakes for everyone out? Did that wants to know somebody was like a thin ropes of Donnette say. Yeah. Yeah. Or? Make sure your arcade tea is as smooth as possible. Any of that means t boy? No. Onto a small subculture. I might not be interested. All arcade, t what's coming up for me as an airport. So I don't know. That's what they're referring to. That's right. All right. All I'll bring up a Raynham tiebreaker here. All right. I want you to each write down your answers closest without going wins. How many followers does Daniel rendering on Twitter have? Oh god. Remember, this is the guy who became social media famous with being the hot cop. And he's trying to expand on his brand. No matter what whatever whatever messaging is there each write down your ankles. Let me know when you're done. Okay. Yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready. All right Liana. What did you say? How many followers? Do you think? Dan hats. I said forty thousand Nick, no way, no way. I think he wished I think he wishes yet forty thousand five thousand so you were both over, but Nick was much closer Dan has three three thousand nine hundred and thirty followers. Way. But I thought he got famous for hard Cobb. They did not translate until the survivor game. Apparently, it was a flash in the pan much like cakes. I think that the word famous I think he uses that very liberally. Famous with air quotes on track to Google the picture the picture, and like I couldn't find it. Does anyone know exactly what he does? They don't seen it. Have you seen the pitch? Yeah. I remember why I remember when the picture came out. It's like them. He's like looking at the camera. It's like a bunch of guys. He's like kind of on the like not that this is helping any way me describing a picture. You'll never see I'll end Dan's in the picture. I don't know if you know this. There are some cars. There's a building behind him. Like a swat team. So congratulations, Nick, you have known the most about the choice shows even begrudgingly for one of them. This may I think this makes you an Honore broach. Oh, please accept this offering of spoon-fed pancakes from Dan. It would be my only only way dripping wet when we do it. Cake vein. Oh, you just send me the pitch. Is that to pitcher? Yeah. He's like cut off in half of it. He's not even the main. God that's true. It's sorta like how you know. I don't know if it's sort of like in Dreamgirls, when you know, they point out like EFI was the main girl, but then they said, no, you know, what this girl beyond say's character. She's the one that's really going to become the star. Like, that's sort of what happened to the other two got Michelle Williams and Kelly Rowland out of the hawks. I wonder what they're up to now probably putting out there. One of them redneck island, the other ones on like ink master like they went on to do their own reality shows. I can't believe that that. Yeah. That's that's really underwhelming. He needs needs to be fumbled pancakes and a lot more sloping with. They were in a hurricane some surprising. They were not that wet. Yeah. Yeah. They're all dry. What is this? Well on Dan hold on forgetting to with. With what was a four thousand. Yeah. Near us. So he might depending on how much people are interested in the wide swath. He does with his tweet whether you like dad jokes are talking about morning sex at Daniel rendering is your place to go. So we'll see in Bubba about the four thousand by the next time we come on here. So I have a question he gets hopefully forty thousand. So I have a question segue in back to the episode proper because I was so interested by the strategy that Mike really vocalized from the perspective or his personal battle was. Okay. The decision that I make how was this going to come across to the other goliaths? He said in a confessional that keep fell to the foul. The yard long stairs of of John Alec and the others. You know, when he came into the reward challenge that we thought maybe I should stick with Angelina. And I think there might be a stigma out there about people saying, oh the merges coming up. I wanna make sure you know. I don't get people mad at me. But I guess my question is is that valid? Because I looked at bit into some historical presidents as to you know, in the past survivor seasons. When have there been, you know, post swap, but still pre merger votes that really have substantially affected people on the other tribe and made them think about things differently. And honestly, I can only think about a couple of instances. And I don't know you guys can maybe fully and a couple that missing. But like the two that I'm really thinking about our markets from survivor good bone, which elicited the gift Pearl heard round the world. But also firmly told those onion alliance like, hey, these people don't wanna work with you. And the other one going all the way back to survivor marquess when he wasn't the last pre merged bu-but when Gabe went home, I know that that relates substantially affected Pasco and Neue and Kathy. And that's what sort of got them a bit separated from the road to four. So it gets I'll throw out the question, especially since Nick you have experienced this firsthand. You know, when you come into the merging and see someone like Phoebe is being voted out. Do we think that there really is an impression that's made from? Watching the other tribe come in and seeing the particular person that was voted out the night before right before you get to the merge. Is Finally I was thinking about this. Because I think Robin Stevens spoke about on the nodoze that like we just queued to make these wool reactions. But I think we are. But I do think that the biggest thing is not as actually why that person was. But just the rampant speculation the speculation can just go so wild that you don't want to be at the center of people trying to feed a narrative like, for example, when Phoebe was the person who was voted out just before we merged that we all were speculating as to who it was going to be now we merge dried away, and it was I to be clarified for us. But had we go back to camp. We would have had so many aspersions about all this happened. And that happened that happened and then in the crucial couple of Allah's will that crucial morning BA full, you know, you're about to merge, and you. Sitting up everything you're getting all your ducks in a row, you get your ducks in a row based on what you think he's happening at the other tribe. So it can actually be really really bad for you. If people stop putting in their plans, ready to go by stone something today are assuming and I feel that would make a really big assumption on okay, it's Angelini was gone. This is one plan, and if Lewis's gone, this is the other does that make sense? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely makes sense. I guess I was just I was thinking from Mike's perspective. And I know that we have more information than any of the well, potentially any of the players. But if felt like why did Mike wanna stay genie or Goliath strong because it felt to me like he was on the outs. So I was like I didn't quite understand why he wanted to keep that majority together. Anyway, I almost felt like cut to the David's then stick with the David's then you can flip back, and I don't know. I felt like there would be more of a. A road. But obviously he made connections that we didn't get to see for him to want to stay Goliath strong. Right. Well, because I know when I talk when Italia about this is an interview with her she pretty much refuted, the idea that the six was actually a thing chief said that like they have the three girls at definitely talked and they sort of each brought in their own spokes of the wheel, but that will very rarely spun especially when they went to one vote. So I totally do buy into the fact that I think Mike makes has made a lot of personal connections at that might be another reason that he was totally fine getting rid of Natalie because he did he wasn't really that close with Natalie him analogy definitely had a bad beef, especially after she was the one to push Jeremy to go. And so I think otherwise maybe he was just a little hesitant to really pull the trigger and get rid of another Goliath like he was fine getting rid of one stray. But now he has his quote unquote core group that he wants to go all all all in on. Yeah. And I guess if he wants to set up sort of Nick to what you're talking about like if he wants to stay Goliath straw, like at that's what he wants to go with and sending that signal that that's what he's cool with then. Hopefully that'll send a sign to the others. Even though I think that majority of them could probably agree. Like, oh, yeah. We understand why he got rid of Natalie like she was annoying race, whatever they want to say, but getting rid of Angelina doesn't have that same. There's not that same feeling associated with it. So we know that we approached us from the Mike perspective. But I guess let's sort of flip things around and talk about it from the Nick perspective because what Mike feared Nick is going to have to face. Right. I mean, I guess you could sort of slide by with the use of like, I didn't want to draw rocks. But still he voted out a David when the numbers were seven seven. Do. We think there's going to be any real consequence. Again. Like, I said this has it's only happened a couple times in the past despite this abject, fear. But do you think there's a chance that Nick? Could have some David's coming down on him for voting? Lisa. I really I really think in this era of survivor, the original troub- formations really met too much. Like, I think that they matter on the surface, but I feel like in a couple of votes time. It definitely went meta. Like, I feel like it might do do not to get you in hot water for the first one or two votes of the merge, but I'm not too. I wouldn't be too fussed, especially when there are three tribes, and they've been in three Trump's full a few votes now that there's been enough time to make bones three different groups of bums. And I just don't see see sticking together along David Goliath. Lonzo I really don't. And I don't think that I would be as well. They did they see ghost island. They saw like or five episodes. Maybe. Okay. So that really see the home Navidi strong thing actually conned of like, you know, being storyline and Moton survival has. Really been too much of the original tribes seeking together. So I wouldn't be too fussed. If I was them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I definitely think that with all of the sort of all of the tribe divisions. But because you also had Pat and be leave the game. I mean, I know that they're losing some time because of the storms and stuff, but I feel like it's happening really quickly and the number of actual votes because they've only voted out with five five people. So I don't know I almost feel like it's excel A-Rated too. So you don't even you have less time almost to build bonds. So I think it's going to be really fluid when we get to the merge, and I think we're gonna see these smaller pockets, that's what's really going to drive the voting in once we get to the merge, I think any larger block there's too many fractures. I don't think it's going to happen. So you think this is going to be a very voting block every season or voting brick? Correct voting, bro. Ana thank you very much. Yeah. I think so I think I can't wait for this next episode just to see how all the groups sort of start to come together. I'm really looking forward to it and everyone's been to a tribal council, which is a rarity. I feel like in modern seasons of survivor. So we might not get like Jessica Johnston or the or, you know, the Kris noble voted out their first tribal council where they didn't really get away to land. Everyone sort of has been around the block at least once. So it'll it'll be interesting. I think I agree that I think this group especially is going to step up a lot of things they're not afraid to make the game. Play more Connecticut even early on when there's big groups of people. So that makes me hopeful that the post merge is just going to be as fun and fancy free is the pre merge. Benny fancy free. Okay. Speaking of fun and fancy free. I have the honor to be here with two expecting fathers, and we have to play some sort of baby shower game. And I started pointing to baby shower games, and they're all super weird. I do not want to play any baby shower game. Can you describe what they are? Okay. We'll have either of you had did you? Well, I guess Mike you you're less far along. I did not have a zygote shower yet. No. Christmas or something? Just my my wife is actually now I'm just looking for decorations and stuff the baby show. She didn't want to have one. She heights things like that. She heights games with the baby show a game. So broad Osho a games. So we kind of like strong Ontario to actually having a baby show, but they definitely be no games at it. But I know all the bunch of games because just from what my sisters have told me, a well, Christina said, but the ones I liked with a smear different foods into nappies and people have to Smith the nappy and then figuring out it's pain up or it's curry why would you like welcome to my putty sniff. This nappy. Yes. Oh my God. It's called. Okay. This is the game. 'cause I googled baby shower games. Okay. So this one is called dirty diapers next. Exactly. Like, you're describing as okay you take like melted. Chocolate candies or lake some sort of Bill creamy nutty. So yeah. And you put in the diaper, and you're supposed to pass around the diaper, how each person snick and live lick the gooey Poos centers. Like, no, you're don't want the term DUI PU center out in the universe. Oh my God. There's another one called guests the mothers measurements. And I was like unacceptable. That's that is wrong. Guess and guess the fathers measurements. Talk about sympathy weight. Yeah. So we're not doing that. Okay. Good. There's also one way you like if it's like a broad like a coed broad show where you fill up like little like dummies with lot beer, and then the dads have to like chug through a dummy like throat start through a bottle. Just so dumb. Oh, man. Okay. Well, maybe when we have one in person someday. However, we will not be doing any of that I decided instead to create a baby name game because I want to be constructive and help you both pick maybe middle names for your children. I'm glad you conservative instead middle not I yeah, I figured that. That was going to be a really long shot. This. Maybe I think actually this is part of the contract neck by green to come on the BNB you actually a forfeit the middle name of your child. But really the Rumpelstiltskin of our podcast. That's totally on. Because like on the on my podcast this year. There's been so much discussion of what's going to be this baby's name. The winner of the Danzi apparently got the right to name the baby. What was the other thing? They go to do a be a be the baby's godfather on. There was like a basically knew that being podcast, and you'd be signing of a semi ruts offspring. Exactly. Well, and it continues here today. So. And but Mike, you're also obviously, I mean, I just assumed that I would get to name the baby because as your co host, but I'll settle for this instead. Yeah, we'll we'll see we might do a middle of first hybrid like Mary Kate. Well, speaking of that what I've done is. I've actually created portmanteau 's of two first names of survivor thirty seven contestants. So these the names neck and Mike you can pick from. So the way this game is going to work as I will list the name and then you'll buzzing so Nick if you want to stick with brick that's allowed if you wanna pick something else more than two I definitely want to stick with stick with Frick. That sounds like a really terrible campaign slogan. The. But when from anchorman decides to run through well that's going to be Nick when you run when you run against Christian for comptroller of slam town USA stick with brick. Can you explain to me what a come troll is? Because that is definitely a thing in the stroller. It's like an accountant. I thought it was something way way cooler than that. Like, I am comptroller. You will back down to me ironically enough, even though Christians running for it has nothing to do with robots. Come Schoeller is a controller using like the Houston like financial matters. It does sound like RoboCop though. That's why I thought Waymo boring than I thought it would be okay. Cool. Okay. So I'll give an example. So for example, I might say the name cats. And then you one of you would buzz in and that is a portmanteau of Kara and pats, although for some of them, there are multiple names will also would have accepted Carl and Pat or Christian and Pat cat, so. Okay. So we both ready to play the game thing. What's you'll buzzer? Bryk? Just to stay with the theme here. I think it's perfect that works for me. Okay. All right. So your first name is Mimi. Me. Great thing me. If I. Bryk this week. Okay. I think actually heard Mike I I'll say Mike and be. Okay. I will accept that also Mike and Jan no no I want it said that what are we talking about? It's Mike and Jeremy Ono travel. All right. That was another practice. Okay. It's very late. I'm being on. Because I thought it'd been many. Menial because I was trying to make them normal names because I care about you guys. And I didn't want your baby is really him. Yeah. Plus whenever you look at your child, you can think of Mike white end, Jeremy, and that's what everybody wants to think about and they look at their offspring. Okay. All right. Let's move on to our next one. Dan. Gee, isn't that? Break pryke. Yeah. Mike Gabby and Dan. Yes. That's. Jan jan. Like like, I'm like G A N like take again this person. He all my. Yes. I also thought you just said, Dan, come very computes. Oh, I got for my example. I was gonna say so you could have the name Carl which is a portmanteau of Carl in Christian. This is like. Oh my God. I've been at a conference the past two days. My brain is so shot. I wrote these talks so. I was here. It's actually know that the portmanteau of Davey, and Dan, I'm sorry. You're both wrong. Okay. All right. This one hopefully will be a little bit more clear. Okay. Beers. Nick pre. Yes. Lisa and be. Yes. That is correct. I would love to cool monkey beer. Girl up to be like some sort of alcoholic really disciplined. I don't know. It is a little on the note. Like, it'd be like my name is beer says. So I turned to the bottle. You are what your name is. My name's beer Cy. I only drink hard alcohol guy said screw you dad. I'm not a beer. Kid, a why? No, okay. All right. You're next name is let. Lick. Yeah. Lisa, nick. Yes. That is correct. Oh that could have been Knicks alliance named for him in Lisa now lick on. These are also could be couple names. So I would accept that as well leak. Like, okay. Karbi? Nick a break. Yeah. Neck. Carl and Gabby. Yes. That is correct. Also would have accepted car in cabbie. Okay. I'm gonna really enunciate on this one Jearl my break. Right. My I'm going to say, Jeremy and Carl. Yes, that is correct. Girl. That name. We'd us if we use cubby, and then we add beats names that is will cubby isn't that like the referee cobby? Yeah. Cardi B, but like car baby. It's like the knockoff that you find out. It's all through solar storekeepers card even coming to the stage car, baby. She who knows what her legs are gonna earn Nurmi's. They're going to do this time, and she can stay at the Cobb Embi. All right. Perfect. Okay. So it is three to to Nick is currently winning. And our next name is. No one knows he recovered from your Gand miss half. From damn gate. Attack in gate. Okay. Here's here's here's another one. Let's let me and on to gas. Right. Right. Right. No. Jessica Jessica by that's what kills name was. Cabbie, jessica. Yes, that's correct. Okay. All right next name Dahbi Reich Nate break, Mike. I heard my I go with multiple options here, but I'll say Davey and Gabby. Yes. I also accepted, Dan and Gabby Jay like this fun Davey and gatty would be an that's why I picked the to. And they'd be a very interesting mixture. He is. He is a loose cannon. And she is sort of there to pick up the pieces. Oh, it is this a couple or like a weird cop show loose cannon and the straight edge partner there to pick up the pieces. Yeah. Just just sound like a good pairing. Gabby. Okay. All right. You're next name meth boy. Oh, yeah. Knock an Elizabeth. Yes. That's correct. I think we I think we've found it the perfect day for much stop it right there. Okay. You could leak myth together. Lake meth bloom come into the. Oh. Beautiful. That's not your child's name. Then I've failed you it was a podcast there. Okay. Well, we have one more name now. Nick, you have won this game. Mike, I'm sorry. It's an impossible high was the true winner because I found a name for my unborn child. Thank you very much dead lick math at call by two one day. He meets beer. Car BP beer, so please, please please invited to the wedding of lick pa- method, bloom and carby beer danza. So good. That's so cute. Okay. Well, don't count your eggs before they get bacteria because I have one more name that you might wanna use. Okay. Your final name is Jessica. Oh, God homeboy frying like. That's my I'll say, John and Elizabeth. It also accepted, Jeremy and. So this is one of those ones around like sitting there in the talk of this guy, who's like so well renown I mean, he's like won so many awards amazing scientists and I'm like. Just like a potential Nobel prize winning scientists giving a talk, and I'm just like a message is so oh my God. That was so what about Jesus math just really just a meth jizzle. Myth beer. The beer says sounds like I don't know like an antebellum southern name. Like, imagine Colonel come home. We're above deal. Why jizzle? Beth appeal. Okay. Great. Well, if you ever, you know, get an a time machine and go back up on years, you can name your kid just Beersheba. Yes. Exactly. Guttering McCain green. I got an antique them both. Thank you for coming up with those because you know, Christina have had a bit of trouble trying to come up with a ninety despite all the help with the podcast. But one of the things that we because everyone we keep people keep suggesting Fanilo as the person who was on. I really love the ninth Fennell, but we caught him at a rule like no one that's any note with these is. Well, no, one knows any survivors and said we've chosen a gills name. And then we realized that it actually is a savant of that has this name, but complete noteworthy. So I feel like when when if we have a go, and it's announced having this going out there. People are going to be like you said that it wouldn't be savant. How day you forget the, blah blah, boot from whatever country, but. Flocking now, I can completely move away from that and say Honey, we don't need to use at any time anymore. We've got a whole nother set. He and that we can choose room. So thank you. You're welcome. May I show you meth? No one on the internet will be mad if we may market Gand drool. From world jer the Rudjer gander. Okay. All right. Well, that's all. I got. Okay. -gratulations Nick, both the baby name and a win at the BNB. Thank. Okay. All right. So I was actually thinking about this other idea that I had I couldn't figure out how to make it into a game. But I wanted to ask it as my discussion question for the week. So I love Christians tutorial on spearfishing. Yes. Because I just also I love that. He brought science into it. He was like you have the potential energy and then kinetic energy. I e stabbing. And I just thought it was so fun to hear him talk about fishing. I think he's got a real career if he wants to start a YouTube channel a he could teach so many different things. So what would you want Christian to teach you because I think he'd be a great teacher? So this is this is what I was thinking. This is going to be my discussion question. How can we get what other like every day survivor activities? Can we get Christian generate in a highly scientific MENA? This is just. We're right there. We we both love the nine Elisabeth. This is. We're in the Puckett it's read on it. So it could be I was thinking of survivor things. I could also I was thinking like I think it'd be fun to watch him. Explain bowling. For some reason. I don't know why that popped into my head maybe because there's definitely physics involved. But also the bowling there's something humorous about Christian teaching me bowling full. The the thing about this deal. The scientists like we'll see correct in his in his discussion of of how to use the spiel. Yeah. I mean, the potential energy kinetic energy potential energy. I mean, it was definitely correct? I don't know if anybody in the physics field would call Connecticut energy stabbing. Certainly in. This example, how it came out potential. Energies wanna rollercoaster goes up the hill. Connecticut injuries when the roller coaster stabs into the rest of the. Right. Or it's like, yeah. Potential energy is when you swing the bowling ball back behind you and Connecticut energy is when you slam it into your leg because you don't have to control that just like or because you're wearing flippers wearing back I'll give out to any Tonio Massaro who a while back said that Christian was a human Ted talk. And so this is basically over getting firsthand I would like to see Christian describe the voting process. He'd be like when you when you walk which is a form of a form of movement. Then you uncapped the pen on due to gravity, and as the sense of ink coming out of the pen, the ink kicks play onto the paper and the sense of permanence. Make sure that is written down in full. Love this weird Christian slash William Shatner, impression listening. I'm also doing robot arm. So my I'm sorry that was so good. We only to acknowledge how could you a Christian? He also said some incursions said he was just like, I'm a cool guy. And for some reason that SNL skit with Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd like to wild and crazy guys like that my head. And so that's what I was picturing. Also, it was a very confusing moment for me. So you'll wear that to go to the club. And then that's when you start pulling out the magic, that's where the misdirection lies. Exactly. Well, actually, so DJ Lebel Klein message me and had some other ideas that were very similar because he was in gang. We could create a whole series like this like, for example, you can have Matt from the Amazon teach you how to sharpen a knife. Like Gillian could teach you animal tracking like match like. All right. Just a nice bleed in a nice. Let's just keep going. Ever. Sure. Like animal dung, just Adam of that. I would like to see Jen teach us how to bury a dead bat. Like what's the best way to kind of give a random animal? Barrio purpose end of create your whole pet cemetery. I can see this like survivor to'real YouTube channel where it's like I'm James I'm going to dig a hole. Well, that's that's a that's what James and Russell actually. And this is like our Ted ex talk version survivor. Ted ex. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, we'll keep thinking I just think this is an idea that really could could evolve into something, I'm just I really let's market. It's marketing whenever lawn when when he was doing it was we just told you about the flippers. And it was like every step was a blow to myself worth. Just just just the personal ego agony. Although it was nice to see he talked about like him becoming a Goliath. And I was like, okay. Well, that's allowed. According to Jeff Probst like that is the one you can go from David Duke ally without backwards at least Christian was in the right there. Yeah. No. I think in order to become a delight. Don't you have to be kind of a weird guy who likes egos peppers like Dan did? Like, oh, man. I'm starring. Hey, look a small pepper. Let me bet you a kit. Eat it. This is nowhere near as good as morning off the pancakes. Whereas. Boy. Well, let's move on here. I'll put a cap on that maybe we'll come up with some more Ted ex talks to tout out my Christian impression. Some more over the course of the rest of the season. Let's move on next. Big tech. I'm one hundred fifty to two hundred percent satisfied with those talks. Let's move onto the final segment of each every week here on the bean beat a question of the week last week question, they'll begin honor of the napalm Natalie, but we were deprived. We only had two voting confessionals where she decided to mock someone's fashion choices while simultaneously build them up. I think someone put it really nicely on the feedback show last week when they said it was a compliment open face sandwich with there's no like complement an insult. So we give it to you guys to create a Natalie esque voting confessional. The discusses a previous contestants style. Choices as usual will go through some of the answers that you the listeners gave and then we'll give each of our answers. Let's start with drew per toldi. Stephanie Johnson your leggings are glowing darling. Like actually glowing. They're hurting my eyes. She that pale. I mean, maybe just because it was legs legates lugging the florist leggings. I totally wrote that wrong. Chosen Patrick bulletin. You're gonna pick. We're talk around. All right. Yeah. We're cochran. Yeah. Exactly. Ten has a couple here. I he says two savage congrats on making it to the jury darling, which is short, but sweet. But like a nice nice. She would say that to Andrew savage. Joke. You'll beanies Nuss reservoir. And then she also said she actually had one four Angelina does. She get her revenge. You'll that burning sensation that's the Natalie. Napalm hope that keeps you warm at night, stay chill, girl. Very good. Jonathan Troyer says hope this move is as big as your cert g C seal later. GC yell later. Like, it was also. I think it was. I think it was we should give them give Jonathan credit there. He did ride later. So it's multiple folds of jokes GCC because for those that don't remember g c from survivor Gabon watching the game with a giant lime green polo. That was about three sizes too bay. Like, he was Tom Hanks at the end of the movie big. Yeah. He brought his own tarp in polish or. Us you'll be competing full atop N GC's second shirt. What could you imagine? Like if Angelina existed down like I gotta vote out g c shirt off his back, literally. G c g c. Always paddling away. Got like when he did before that immunity challenge. Let's move onto Parker Schindler who says Debbie, the only thing that would make you more fierce and caddy would be if you killed that tiger yourself. Let's be honest coach probably work together on that one. Yes. I'm so happy w bathing suit brought up. Yeah. And finally, the Melissa pot to Stephen fish back. Your hair is moldy glasses are poopie Santer. Also poopie I like your intestine I mean severe gastrointestinal distress. Darling. Who needs luck at the end. And he's like some sort of like little. You know, what's what's it code a little Honey or a dulling? Yeah. The one that came up with was routed, your dot Todd is to die full, Honey. And then just like slam the pay down into that thing do a bit of a clicking Z full nation. And the you shuts Jessica so way back down to the stool or snapping an end formation. Natalie. Okay. Some buying. Because. Okay. So Natalie said in her confessional for her voting conventional for Jeremy was get off my island. So obviously I row in for Troy Zan get off my island, by the way, you're green monster is gorgeous. Natalie. No, Natalie and that apparently because I was I guess on a game changers. Kick also wrote one for Brad Culpepper. Take your decorative hanging balls back at Florida, I like your burlap sack dress. So what about we can see your decorative hanging bowls from? Denver. The sack can see your other sack. I came up one with one of four Jonathan Penner says take your wack ass fruitcake. But Dorka and get yourself a new knee in Lyons. That'll take you to the final four. Bye bye, man. Love your Wilson. Blue eyes though. No, no, no. That's what Jeff Probst is going to say to when he's really trying to get his goat during one of the challenges. Did you notice that I enjoy Lena, I'm during the slathering accomplishments? She gave to Nick talks about his Wilson. Blue eyes. Yeah. So because the Nick Wilson, I assumed it was like, oh because Wilson's there's there's a Wilson's disease. Did you ULA? Yes. I've go- goals of Wilson blue eyes because I was stupid a Wilson's disease involves a mutation of the gene coding, which prevents copper within the liver from entering the gold. Yeah. Press and cells, instead the copper accumulates and delivered and other tissues, including the iris of the eye. It doesn't like yellow right? Because you have the iron accumulation there or something like that. Yes. So basically, I in one form Angeline is referring to his last name in my virgin, she saying he's jaundiced so pick your poison. Yeah. This is Christian explaining the come in in scientific terms. This is perfect for the YouTube channel you see when you when liver enzyme rather enters eight think of it like all the next roller coaster effect where the comforts. Up into your eyes end. Wow. Wow. It's like a trap there. Like, it's not there. I'm realizing that I'm Mike Christians combining William Shatner with Jeff Goldblum. And I think that's the perfect. Yeah. Well, I I I thought it was like oh the Wilson sisters. We all know musical artists Wilson Phillips. Yeah. There wasn't scissors. This part of Wilson Phillips, obviously, they're known for their is justly, obviously, that's very true us. So the question of the week or next week? We're going back actually to the very first episode to round out the pre merge here since we know the contestants pretty well. I want you guys out there to nickname a survivor contestant, Mike white style, which is talking about them through reference of a TV show or a movie like when Mike referred to Christian as big bang theory. It can be a current player. It can be a past player. But this is a chance for us to put on our Mike white fidora's and take it stab at Robert Downey, junior style, referring to people by pop culture. References only. This is great. I did this in the first my first ever confessional. One of the things was what do you think of the other contestants and Oz? Talking cat who had arrived caftan and had this giant hat. And I was like, oh, we've got the real housewives of Samoa here and that will win gonna be able to play, dammit. Oh, dammit. He couldn't get the rights to say. I dunno. On a different channel you got to be like Carlin like make a reference to a pod calf. Not even realizing it on the episode, and we are super excited to be going over these answers next week. We're bringing on a very special guest for the merge episode of survivor, David versus Goliath. Jessica McKenna for those that don't know, Jessica, she's a person who very much frequents the ear wolf podcast network of podcasts. She hosts a podcast of her own called off book, which is an improvised musical podcast. You actually did an episode about survivor. She also appears commonly on comedy bang, bang, improv for humans just a whole slew of things, but she's also a huge survivor fan in her own, right. So we were fortunate enough to occur on the BNB. So she'll be here next week joining on an I in all the madness that'll be sure to come from the merge, if you're excited if you know, Jessica and you're excited about her appearance. Feel free to tweet at her at just our McKenna R M C K. K E N N A and let her know how excited you are for her to come on. I certainly am aren't Yuliana. Oh my gosh. Yes. I am super excited. Also, not to change the subject, but Dan ring Garing on Facebook has fifty one thousand six hundred sixty four people liking his page. So I think I was just. On social media. He's like the Facebook, mom famous. That's a good game. Who's more blame as hot copper to buckle? Mom. The classic game. He can definitely play that with just just your way. Your way next. You're ready. Hope you're ready for that one. We'll Nick thank you so much for taking the time to stop down and talk through with us about you know, again, it was only I think there last deep dive for Australians, forever was only a few weeks ago. So we appreciate you taking a short time off to make your way back to us up before we ended up finishing things off would you mind giving us your thoughts because this Australian survivor pertinent news this week in that they officially announced that the theme for season four of Australia and survivor, and we are going back to the well of champions versus contenders next season. I know it's like very tangible to American survivor, but for international listeners that are keen to find out your thoughts. Do you have any initial reactions to the the announcement of that name renewal? We'll all obviously. I needed to do was coming back. But I was excited that it was coming back, and whatever it is. That gets a straddling Volvo on on. I've said this this year, I'm more than happy for whatever. It is is that we get some other. And look everyone was super sketch sketch bowl on on champions versus contended and it turned out being really really good season, especially in the post mood. So I think that what they've done is that just going back to the world. So that I can kinda like keep the numbers growing keep the average viewer interested. I thought that I was going to go for some sort of blue Kulla, no color or something like that. But the problem is that ustralian sa- they wanna have two tribes only that want to have to troves of twelve. So you've really got to try and boil it down just to kind of like the two tribe dynamic, and I think that look I'm I would prefer to be something else. But I tweeted this the as low as Jonathan the is back and they've saw him back on as long as he's coming back, then they could do like potatoes. This is thirty bags of laundry like Auden. Okay. Give me whatever it is as long as GOP's there. I have faith in the system. I have faith in the show, and I'm just going to reserve judgment until I've seen if we and I know that people are complaining on lawn just lie that complained about Las season. But like they're gonna everyone's going to watch it. The fans are going to watch it. It's going to be good it. I have faith in my channel ten ogled. So yeah, I think that's sort of a little bit of a like reaction of like, oh, no they're doing that again. But I really really liked this past season. And so until I'm proven wrong. I'm going to go into it with an open mind. You know, of course, there's a lot of concerns. Okay. Are they going to be able to, you know, have a good cast because I think that that was what was really nice about, you know, some of the champions was that they really were there to play. So I am reserving judgment until I actually see it. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I yeah, I agree with you anything to keep it on the air. So I'm okay with it. I'm I'm super excited. I also especially because now that we've heard that New Zealand's of is being. I wanna hold that you want to hold onto that you say don't leave me. And I also think that I mean, my hope and my expectation is that they also taking a look at things that might not necessarily worked with the format last time specifically challenges the challenges being so physically waited literally you'd also saving swap for, you know, two votes before the merge, even though they did mix things up properly at the merge, it could become a very easy situation where they could just one group could just picked off the other. So I'm gonna sue them. Now, they're going to make things in the premium specifically more chaotic they might say like the post merge, we can sort of leave on touch because they the castaway so remake their own chaos from that perspective. But I if they go lame to sort of actively worked towards improving that pre merge phase. I'm personally really excited for it. Yep. I think that it was it was a hard slog for the content is because of the physical aspect because of the camera time aspect because of the, you know, the storytelling is told through the people who the audience already kind of knows. And and I feel like if they if they can address that. And if they can fund some really dynamic people again, I think that I think that I will do a good job. I feel like what will happen now is now that they've seen some of these celebrities or more well-known people do well and have a positive fan reaction. I think that what this. She is a couple of celebrities come out, and maybe nominate themselves and say, hey, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. And know would you have me for the show, and, you know, people do that I'm a celebrity get me out of here, which is another show. That's on people do that dancing with the stars. And I feel like it would kind of be the same same kind of thing. And and if that means that we get people who came to get out there and play the game then coup. So I'm positive. All right. So Nick to find out your musings about the 'tatoes size vs, dirty laundry. Anything else around any version of survivor? How can people follow you on social media? Yes. I was just at Nicole danza on Twitter and Instagram. It's the same thing. And I c k I d ended and yeah, that's what you can find out. Exactly what I've called my baby in a couple of weeks. Yes. Stay for that. We are waiting on him and meth Natal's. Dammit. I was gonna say I'll be weighted with bait I'll be waiting with baited breath. The lose your much on the same page. We'll how Liana how can people follow you on social media to find out? All of your thoughts about the world of reality. TV in the world outside. Yeah. When I go outside I'll tweet about it. I'm on social media at Liana Boris L I A N A B O R A S and feel free to send me any other baby names that you think we could include for either Nick or my baby I will collect them. And then of course, send the finalized binders for you both to choose from. And I will put that in some melted. Chocolate in a nappy. And we'll see what we did. With eleven knows the exact rules of how to play lizard versus vampire of this rowboat. Let us know because I'm super game. Yeah. We'll save it for future iteration when you come back on you can always follow me at Mike bloom type checkout. The interview I did with Lisa parade. I mean, her personality shown through was really excited to talk with her about how she fell actually in relationship with the Rockstars her thoughts about the beginning of the game. And specifically, you know, she's a very unique personality that comes from a lot of different communities and talking about the reception behind that counter really nicely to some of the social. Media stuff backlash that has occurred against her for the past couple of weeks. So be sure to check that out. I cannot with the interview with David Bory honest for seal team, I talked about in the Big Apple circus for parade magazine as well. I got something for Star Trek coming up next week for Hollywood reporter, so a bunch of random onto smatterings out there in the universe with my content over the next couple of weeks, but I'm super excited to talk about it and write about it all so thank you, all so so much or listening. 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Survivor South Africa: Immunity Island Pre-Season RHAP-Up

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Survivor South Africa: Immunity Island Pre-Season RHAP-Up

"Uh-huh So billion pounds could simon power everyone and welcome to our coverage of survivor south africa immunity island. I'm your host shanna. Four the six. And i promised final. Preseason 'cause we are getting around fourteen hours of coverage into the season and the season hasn't started yet so i guess that's encouraging for how much we're gonna end up talking about these people but to about it as always i'm going to welcome in the who into my liana thing to say given the nature of their relationship but i'm honestly out of blank to blank because they've been so many preseason podcastone mean more like in the mossy happel sal and not unlike that they're in a relationship relationship style is great. Mike lu mike thank you. I am honored in style early. Platonic listeners possibly contestant topic onto here shannon and i are very good friends but we are very respective marriages So we are is the word the platonic puja and liana. That is what. I'm going to guess my next tattoo. All across my back was tony. You're in liana. Yeah that'd be really way to express being put on all the best. All the best platonic relationships inky each other. I made it stop. So that's on me. You also weird so that's on you anyway. I guess right now you can probably be. They are based on this job. Yeah just wanted to talk about them. No my i guess is someone i talk often in preseason and i wanted to keep the tradition going because it's always so fun and my second guess on that i don't get to talk with enough on the podcast so we brought in both of them. It's greatly honored the affirmation. Thank you so much for having us. This is probably one of the weirdest introductions had the orgy of old is season podcast. Leon was you're using. I had very few search to run out of the comparisons but it it would be an honor to get a non platonic liana tattoo. So maybe we can plan that way to with your tattoos say non platonic. Yes i think so. We may be even acronym and ppl that stanford anything. Ooh that sounds like. Some sort of i don't know like military acronym in it the pp's next to each other. I'm out i'm out. This is not happening. So is this lovely to be here though. Thank you even part. And at yeah. I'm very happy. I'm very happy right. Yeah look should. We saw this whole thing again. Probably but are we going to know where on the sixth and final preseason quotas with the energy that we left the final preseason interview with big wardha energy for essentially the past few podcasts. Right between bryce and now desktop like. Let's let's greet people in french. I'm sure i'm an undercover blonde like. We're just coming in with that. Random chaotic energy. And i cannot think of a more punchdrunk. Wait to kick off into the truly very bidding and we are snipe later. Cena w. e. baby. yes sa. So what are we doing on this. Podcast i'm also asking a lot of rhetorical questions going in a strange direction. It's a farm. Preseason point we wanted to get on the podcast and do a little bit of a bean. Be highness style. We're going to play some games. We're going get leon views thoughts which we again with liana and not enough with the love to get in the preseason. Get their thoughts on these characters that we've been so lucky to learn so much about we're going to give a wind picks which is something we somehow have a thirteen hours of content for me and mike made the everyone wait for it. So we're going to have a good time. I will say this has been as i think you guys mentioned the longest survivor offseason. That we've had an jumping in with this cast has been a pleasure. I feel like every time. I met someone new during the cast interviews. I found my new favorite person like i gave way. Wait to meet you. I'm so excited to see you play. I think there's a great mix of people. There are the champions of the world that are their flex in little horo muscles bouncing up and down below preseason videos in all the way to you know the carla's of the world who are sharing their emotional stories of going to rehab not experience in how that prepares them for survivor and i could not have asked for a better cast and i think this is the perfect way to Break that off season seal. If this is the first time we've had you talking survivor essay. What has been your or your history. With the franchise up through season eight so given that i'm here with my non platonic partner in liana. I can tell you that. We've we dove into the international waters together. Well that's the obviously. Australia and the first new zealand was before i met liana but we'll snow together. Really gifts of jacka falling into the ocean. Did yes. I remember that now. But what i will say is our first experience with south africa. We did a draft together and we famously. I got the winner with my last. Pick so in tom very much last. Pick gas line so that was phenomenal. But no it's i've enjoyed south africa's been phenomenon. The one of the reasons for me that. I'm hyped up is that not only is the offseason having fed me to the palmer. I'm ready the preseason that you guys have put out the content has been a very nice refresher. Oh my god. This is how it feels to be happy with survivor. Being back on again but also knowing how much of them have focused more on their own show potentially with more of a focus on the south africa of at all this last south africa being is amazing as it was gives me very much a lot of excitement for what we're going to get the season so it's been a great road so far i feel like it's going to get even better. I think the fact that you guys can survive By the new zealand season one just a testament to a non platonic relationship. So congratulations you. You can make it through anything like you should. That's just beautiful but yeah no. This is like old killing notes ele. I truly believe that they want something to gain from. Every single person. And i've been saying i quote. There's an edge of extinction so that we don't have to lose any of these people. I'm janet week that into existence. We know the rue we love getting fingernail near at this point is gonna be fab and someone goes home week one like we spent so long all of these people like one of them has to go and then they and then they all have to go survivor inside and i don't like it. Stay around the whole time. Well that's the fun thing about survivor. Though right after the preseason is that we've built up all these things ninety five percent of this shannon. we're going to get thrown out the window immediately. We're like do this and this person's gonna do that. They're gonna hit the beach at completely the opposite. We're like all right. Well that was a fun way prognosticating but like it really was sincerely a fun to prognosticate. A lot of things that are as liana can attest to often times when you make predictions preseason. They do not true. It's just it's the intellectual exercise of at all. That really is just a joy and you get to come up with these magical hypotheticals of what people will be like. And then it changes and that's still exciting. But i was gonna ask you a question because it's survivor south africa immunity island. Do you have any idea what that means but we can. We can talk. No i think everything out about it. Larue has said on the podcast. Way i will give you a little spoiler They all go out on the island. Vaccinated straight up. So that's why. Yeah yeah it's just a regular season to do they do one in the pre in the pre- premier and they do one at the merge so last time we make the merge so they claimed motivation to emerge near dough civil right now but we find out about that. I think pretty soon into this. Even which at this point is under a weak way even at the time of recording. So i think there's going to be a lot of fun stuff. I think it's going to be a very strategically than i think it was. It was made for strategic plan. I think it's going to be quite complicated that way. And i think that they got a cost. Obviously a lot of super fans a lot of strategists few will really be able to handle that a guide relishes. So i'm very excited on. Do you guys have any standoff. You definitely talk about chappie with the balancing. Pecs any favorites. Where where do people fall. You guys do. That's such a tough question to just hiccup my allowed to talk about. Everybody i could but we don't have another fourteen hours. Yeah took the person who probably stood out the most to me Was theresa because her answer of what do you look for in an alliance partner is the correct answer right. Because at the end of the day your goal is to knock voted out. And of course he gets to the end. You want to get the votes but the main goal is to not get voted out therefore you need an alliance partner who is willing to keep you around. For whatever reason you shouldn't care what value they see you they see you as a someone who is physical. They wanna keep around for a strength. That doesn't necessarily matter right away. Like you just need to find people who are willing to keep you around once you can identify what that reason is then you can go from there. You can decide okay all right. Is this person someone who i'm working with. Long term short term blah blah blah. Whatever that that combines all the story love of course just put her topped here for me. I'm really really excited to see her play. But as you guys mentioned the downside is three voted out that first episode and she could potentially suffer the same but she has a really great head about her and i'm excited to see her play. I mean for me. i don't have anyone. that is my main. I'm going in with more of an open mind. Anyone can get the stand card. It's going to be open open season. I really liked Kieran listening to the to the podcast. I really liked his conversation about him. Not knowing south africa's got into that point yet of the focusing on the strategic honoring the strategic. Which egg made me interested. because someone. who's thought of that. You can tell not only do think strategically but he's also aware of hey. I'm going to have to play it in a way that maybe it caters to the non-strategic folks som- i going to do that. Like i just love layer on layer. Thought like that and i think it's gonna be fun to see him. Try it out now. Do i think he's out here to. W i don't know and that's the beauty of these these shows. I don't know. But i'm excited to see the implem- implementation here. I'm fascinated by him as well. I'm curious to see if he can pull off this whole lovable idiot thing that he kind of talked about in the pre season. Because that's not the sense. I love what i get from him. But that's not necessarily what comes across. Let's talk about this. Because i think we also want to use this as an opportunity to sort of wrap up. I think some stuff that we have discovered in the preseason as extracurriculars rival me weren't on the microphone and shannon. I do recall shirley after we put out that podcast kirin sent you a video story right about the time that he thought he was a lovable idiot when he was what like a janitor at a radio station or something i think. He was on the radio mic janada. I don't know why i'm thinking of janitor baby. I don't know if you're thinking of goodwill hunting radio foam. But i think he was just he was on the radio and you had some buying radio thing and then he likes that blew off to go to class and he would tell us that was why he was lovable. Idiot and we were like what is like a nerdy. I would do so. I don't know how much you love class as if you love class than he's lovable in that regard if you don't he's an idiot so i guess you could either be lovable or an idiot. Two sides of the coin know somebody like skips extracurricular thing to go to class in the smart node and not in anyway. I mean they might be lovable then not an idiot and i don't know why he's trying to push the so hot. It's definitely not who he is. And i know that. Because i'm washing two zero minutes on survivor. And i listened to ten minute interview with him and i interact with a little bit and i know him inherently so. You're don't even pretend you're obviously. We talked earlier. Yeah but even beyond just like favorites like any particular standoff stink will. We're going to do some late up but like who do you think he can. It be like the characters we come out and say this was like their season. You know definitely one person that is a i think in ultimately be a standout character is sean from from the cursing to two seconds into the interview. I think that sets a tone for someone who is going to be a character no matter what and whether it's a villainous character which may became across a little bit stronger the whole ghalem vibe of it all that he's giving out or just maybe maybe. He's our lovable idiot. I don't know. But sean a strong personality and is gonna come across onscreen and let me also another thing. That's popped up since we did issa. Look it wasn't the confirmed by sean. Himself is indeed wearing a necklace. That has a name tag on a dog tag. That says daddy's girl. Yeah that's perfect and so it really speaks to how much i love that. And we also we've had rob snapchat give some great Condensing of the information we got from the interviews which i've loved and he put out all of the. Would you rather what everyone would do. And yesterday. he gave every- everything that everyone would put for. Their celebrity fictional character loved ones. And i think he's just looking at that really me like why. This is good. 'cause between like bagels barrels and the final bay girls. I was laughing out loud. And way he wrote it was like food mascot and brackets to eat. And i was like i love this tassos. They are also at. It's amazing i mean it's functional right like there's a reason why it's the food mascots not just for funsies that's got a purpose leon. Npr who would you have as a celebrity loved donald fictional character other than your job because you are non platonic your has got that check mark on twitter so like he is celebrity not even have to contend with if it was possible of course this celebrity and the sea of all these people. Here comes my dumb but like here. I'm going to inspire you. Have you played among us. Like they'll pick me no one ever. You'd be better than the fourth batgirls. Yeah could be a good level but idiot of a thinking about each bear. Grylls you bring just gets a little bit dumber every time. It's like a copy. Behavior grills is crawling on the ground. Such a horrible image that is quite terrifying because dino would it be like three copies of bad girls or would it be like different limbs. Everyone gets two for limbs. And i think the dismemberment one of that. Just let's just make sense. You just get him there. We get the guillotine which is something. We've already spoken about in this season. We divide him up. And that's what king saul saying. I think so. I like the evolution. Is i want to see like troglodyte bear grylls. I wanna see like bear. Grylls crawl up out of the muck to do. The challenge. river is never lucien. Can't we see in evolved version of. He's got like extra arms to saw moore. Would whatever girls will crack. Open some some rocks with another rock. I don't know. I don't eliminate people do okay. I'm an inside gal. Know how vulnerable it becomes less and less human as he keeps giving crunches vastly moving bits of soul yet. But yeah who. Would you have if you have any woman australia of course catchy though because that also i thought about this because obviously we're doing the questions but the only they can think of is how everybody's so happy and they're crying when they see their loved one and i'm just imagining me crying. Like oh my god. Look what is here. And it's shakira. And i'm like bawling my eyes out. And she comes around the corner. And i'm like i just couldn't find a person that i felt really matched that energy of that i would be so sobbing and excited and happy to see them. Go fishing here. Okay yeah because on was survivor. And i make to the loved ones visit. I'm gonna my eyes out. I bomber is just watching it at home. So i need to pick a celebrity that i think is worthy of bawling. My eyes out and educator. Okay there was just no no no no no like value here because then liana can be like listen. My loved ones hips. Don't lie my legs. Don't lie. I'm working with you till the end buddy. That's right my loyalty years. So that would be worth it i am. I didn't factor in the me bawling my eyes out part of this question. But i will say for me. It's an idea of who could my loved one. That's a celebrity. That would a be able to make other people feel emotional because they have moved the others there is that same person capable of making them laugh and make them feel good therefore with my decision and and not like as physically intimidating as a basketball player or an athlete of any sort. I'm going with will. Smith is going to move. You got the feelings that you know. He's got the feelings they're buddies also will smith from fresh prince of bel-air he's also got that side to him he's got h side. He's also got the comedy drama and everyone knows him. Everyone knows him. It's not like ooh who's not. Who will smith this. And now i'm cool. Come talk to me now. Because i know will smith you wanna you wanna talk about it and talked to them about the fresh prince days do it. You wanna see if he's still talks with jeffrey. Come through alliance with me. We'll tell you about that. I changed my answer to kevin james. No come on a segue. Okay what about. What about like clifford. The big red dog. That would be pretty cool. Got massive some. Ooh no simple yes. This highlight bringing out clifford. The big red dog. Everyone loves dogs. Everyone loves big so therefore everyone loves iran read but the nafi so then like a great piece of shelter. Right like he'd like here's a here's a tarp. Weaken us for a few hours could tear dig a big hole. Tear down trees builder. I change my answer. Bob the builder then he would build you a shelter. Dora the explorer because then she would explore. Where are you thinking about something this something and then putting in great again. This face the infamous nickelodeon. Bummer was just a giant face. I think that'd be great. Okay take a hidden temple person. All mac no no the easy answer. The universal answer should be the sun from the teletubbies. That's it yeah. Why why you guys say things with such confidence and to me. Make no sense newsline. That's my answer was great. And then leon came in with dora the explorer. No we'll alter. I would want talk. Will smith lake. Yeah yeah people really take this strange direction and some people take it to bake roles. Those are the two options. I a question to the three of you are now you have to you. You now have to go through the the mike laws way and you. You're picking a food mascot. What food is that mascot that you're gonna own this is a giant man made a spaghetti spaghetti sauce as my favorite food. He's stuck together by his soul. And then i just need him bit by bit nice slurp down i have. I'm gonna eat some rain question. Needs someone made out of my favorite food. And so that's my favorite food. So i'm gonna eat spaghetti man. How would you feel bawling your eyes out over spaghetti man though. That's pretty embarrassing. If do i have to ball my eyes out over. This person made out of food. No compulsory always picture. That's what would happen to me. So i felt like if such a given but i suppose that i want you to know that this will be if we ever you get a chance to do this again. Which again looking unlikely. This will be a question. Which feared master would you want to eat because you have to consider a look. It's obviously a food that you want. But how they stuff together. The human human that seals a lot in to real life for me unthinking giant sushi person. It's kind of just like a giant handroll with like legs and arms and like a little face painted on. So i could see that i'll just be like taking giant out of its head. I think that maybe you get like a life size. Real easter bunny. You know like the chocolate i mean. I don't even eat animals. But i think i did. Easter bunny wow okay made a chocolate though not like a real funny pretty big mission of like you know what if the carcass is sweet. I will dig into them in the context of making us eat ally a living and food thing. Like that's only. How do i do think with the animal. The ethical concerns in this hypothetical situation seem last they feel that right but eating a humanoid food item versus a more animal devolved bear grylls type will the troglodyte their grills food item. I think somehow is better for me. i mean obviously. If you're going practical you go peanut butter person. Animal peanut butter troglodyte. Yeah but i mean it's so hard to say no to pizza bagel means man pizza hut from space balls. Just bring him out. That's your celebrity and your food. There we go. Hey curls is a food person just beggars but it's an eye instead of a why. I just want to put out there so now. We know what food person we'd all right onto this. No no. there's no correct answer all wrong. It's always wrong. You guys have any more like overall goals on the coffee. Before we get into winnipeg's you have winter. Pex are we have to pick. That's part of the schedule of the podcast. If you during come up with one real quick. I can make that happen you know. I think we'll be talking about the superlatives and stuff. We'll get into more of the these fabulous people on cast so. I will definitely do that. But winner picks actually really curious to hear. Both of your winner picks up fourteen hours. Yeah that is exactly right at the hunt right. I'm right there on the edge. Yeah okay well. We'll make people wait more liana through because they're so brutal. The person who who. I think i wanna make my winner. Pick in a part of it. I have seen very little video except for the short clip in the preview of her. But that's smile just holds me in makes me so warm and happy. I'm gonna with the nest do because the medical doctor turned yoga teacher. Small business owner -ness of it all a love the fact that she's clearly been through a lot. She's worked really hard on her life but she was able to know herself well enough to recognize. Even though this was my life goal in this moment right now this is not for me and to have that self awareness. I think is really impressive. And then to have for lack of a better term the lady balls to switch it around and go pursue another career. Path is also really inspiring. Her smile she just comes across so cheery and so personal so personable. And for that reason. I'd like to make her my winnipeg. Yes here's your too good pick. Because i was going to come in and in the interest of not doing that in the interests of not nicole had this to and then and then he doesn't econ picket. That seems unfair. Take someone else. Think you know know someone else pick someone else. So i'm going to look at everyone. And i'm gonna make my decision right here right now and i said i already talked about him because i want to go with kieron. Why not. i'm gonna go with that. I like again. I think that be someone who's able to to me. Obviously it's a big project to play the level idiot. I live it every day. But i feel like if he's able to pull that off combined with the fact that he does think about the game on multiple levels if he's going to be able to put himself in other people's shoes i think that's a big advantage in this game and i feel like you know i feel good about i feel good and i want to root for him anyway. So make it on my winter. Pick makes it an easy route as well all right well other next. Mike told me before the podcast his aac. I dunno surprise me. Maybe so. I mean surprised but look i was choosing between two people arousal last week kind of going back and forth a lot of good picks here and i don't know what's going on that liana picked an esa when we wanted to do but then he picked in his mind win pig. You've kieran. i've seen a lot of chain. I'm not willing to give up a winning pick. That i've spent a week designing career also decided it and also he wanted an s o. So let's put that out there. But i do think certainly he's gonna be a big threat. I think that there might be something there. That are a little too threatening. But i also think he fits well into the smart superfan costs without maybe necessarily is a little bit. I think more of like. I don't know the patients like i think he he like. There are other superintendents. That i love but i feel like my be a bit more excitable and maybe big moves. That might come back to buy them here in again big threat. But i think we'll definitely really fun. But i don as my winnipeg the other one i had was kala. Feel definitely like has like a story. She has a strong sense of self. She feel very even killed where she could fit in across the board way she she is a fan. Since you can see what the fans mitchell's interesting. Look really nice and approachable. So i think she's kind of like in the middle ground. That would be really good by have gone with hearing but if my kala. There's something weird going on. We're all going left. But i am officially going here. So i mean as we said before this is a really stacked cast and survivor. South africa has proven in the past. That truly anyone can win this type of show but there's so many standouts to me. You mentioned a bunch of them before but like qian. Air dino carla nicole like there are a bunch of names that stuck out to me but a carrier. Two years ago when i was doing some preseason coverage i got with a bit of a bug when i was out in fiji for survivor the idols. I had the ability to put these shittiest looking island survivor history in the game and they said okay. Whoever finds this idol is going to be my winner pick and honestly i love the powerlessness. I love the idea that. I don't know who i'm picking until something happens. I like it from an audience perspective as well right gives us all investment to see when indeed that event happens who is going to be able to to fill that role. So here's what. I'm going to propose my winter pick. This is survivor. South africa immunity islands right immunity more important than ever in so many ways. My winter pick her survivor. South africa season is going to be the first person to touch the tribal immunity idol. In this season no choice. I told you i told you said it would surprise me messages. You said that it would make me mad and it does mayor twice mike. No you know no no fourteen hours. Lewis design face winnipeg. That can be the faith and because your weight of for just takes your hurt. The name of the person will be the person who touches the immunity idol. I in the first episode of your platonic fight. I'm done my i'm done. We haven't even started this evening. I'm out. I'm not one of you co host with me next week one of them. We honor oak. Rio de the hypothetically mike. Let's just say you had to make a prediction of who you think is gonna touch that idol. I because a person would be. He's leading the race name a name. Yes as a widow p. That's always is one joke with this car. I think the person who will touch immunity idol. I will be nikko panajot. And that is my name now right now. That's tough. that's tough fit considering. He's not contested. Yes yes the to actually so because we have some intel so because they all get vaccinated one them to kind of nico has to ask him several times so i'm specifically and doing like hunched over barely on all fours. Nikko panagiotis my winner. Pick okay all right good. I'm glad you clarified. That knows that the take you right now. My and i do to listen. I'm very excited to watch. The premiere now for many reasons one of them being. I get to find out who my winner pick is based on who touches that immunity idol. I in that person wins. I will not validated as win. Winnipeg hugest you have just passed on the question. The best way to play the game is not to win. Nope that's not the phrase me actually. Is this so let me tell you what my ideal situation is here. My ideal situation is that shannon has spent fourteen hours on air. More hours off air thinking about this you talking about this years turning right pigs kieran. I would love the first one to touch it. And that's michael signs up on the same day here and wins the nuttiest thing that's happened. It's so great. I'm so excited for it to happen. 'cause now it's going to happen it'll be not i've given this a lot of thought know that i've been thinking about it a lot. He's going to be my official winnipeg after all of this buildup and you just made a mockery a bit. So no you're the gallon. I'm goof is okay like we're just playing our roles here in the highlights magazine. That is the international survivor. Wrap up so what i'm saying. Is that if you were asked if you would rather get voted out pre merge or go to the end to get zero votes. You'd be like well. That's never going to happen because i touched the immunity idol. I i'm gonna win therefore that hypothetical doesn't fly exactly. I break the rules to make new rules. You know. I hate that though. You know that i did online. That's why why accurately predict one prediction. Ripe podcast it was that i knew you would be mad at my winter pick. I think anyone could have predicted that because it was terrible. And i want to move on from this now and i'm upset and i'm assigning mike winnipeg. I've got older name names in front of me. I'm doing my pen year. Okay you also We wanna play bully. Do i wanna ask superpower. Leon we gotta get it in now. What would you see pathology. This is within the so. This is tough. Because i was thinking about it within the context of survivor and then within the context of my life because in my daily life i would love to be able to fly. I just think that that will be so fun. Assuming the fact that. I could go up pretty high elevation and wouldn't get like frozen to death so assuming that that that was all you wanna go. I'm sky is the limit. Baby i guess guys not the limit whatever yeah survivor. I think being able to read someone's mind would be ideal. I mean i. I got the conversation about reading mine. Verses having supersonic hearing and sort of the combination of those two. But i think being able to read someone's mind as long as you could pick and choose where you applied the power and it wasn't just this cacophony of sounds because if you could imagine just everything going on that would just be too overwhelming. So that's my complicated answer to a simple question. Knock into mind reading us. I still doing. I would like to tone my own mind off. Sometimes little other things specifically for survivor right. Because i want to be able to understand other people's wants intentions desires young articulated my my assumptions about mind reading a through various pop culture. It's not like you. It's like turning on a faucet. It's not opening up tidal wave. You know like like aig direct where it is not like okay now. I have to hear every thought. This is not mel gibson in what women want more like whether he wants to or not. He's going to hear someone thought. I'm assuming it's okay. Then that's what. I would hope as well because you can imagine having a conversation with someone and then being able to hear if they're bullshitting you are not be like a note. We're vote eliane. I'm lion straight face. That'd be very advantageous. That'd be hopeful. I would like to freeze things. I'm kidding i love to clarify. You said he would fly based on power of air with the freezing. I'm not actually bothell magneto. If something on it and minute he was talking about. Also the freeze guy from roseau incredible. Yes that is what he's thinking. Also he said if i keep making fun of freezing palace twice the terrible and he said in front of my five year old cousin. Jonathan belcher is terrible. So well i know. Who's not coming out for shannon's visit elsa chalice all my little content. Humans upset anyway not freezing things. What are you actually want to do. I mean i feel like it. I mean the conversation comes to superpowers. I also thought about this more and more when me and liana were dating long distance. Because i couldn't travel to see her for obvious. Reasons mom so was on the mind but i always leaned on visibility. Because you could do more with that. In just like go travel across without being detected and i think in the game of survivor. It'll be a good way for me to get sneaky. I'm invisible. I'm chilling that's good. Oh where's puja. He's invisible. So i would like that would be. But here's the problem with invisibility. You're in the jungle. You're gonna step on a twig or something and all of a sudden people are going to hear. The leaves the twigs critically crackling in the background. It's not like you can hear a pin drop in our out survivor. I feel like it's going to be random noise. There was a cameraman if that happened. What if yeah. You get like bitten by a scorpion and then screaming. That would be a lot. But i think naming on the okay that idea. No not at all. Were now like but tell the scorpion. Like hey you wanna go sting brad over there. It's medevac except for mike. She's i here's the thing for me. I think that there's good strategy there. Because if i get bit by scorpion or not pretend i do on. I still scream. That's as it's either terrifying and people will stay away from that area. And i can look for the idol there or everyone's let's go explore that area and they go that way and i can go the other way and look for the idol so visibility helps or what if you did the. The animals much like disney princess. The animals go and get the idol for you. You just send them out into nature. Yeah i love that because then you come the problem within his ability as is like oh wears puja like then you become suspicious. Right of like whittard he go. He's probably doing something. You could stay at camp the entire time. Twiddling your thumbs chipmunk go dig up your idol like hiding in a tree free. Yeah but that's the target literally on you go. Where's leon. I don't see her. Oh that bluebird over there the flock of them. That's where leon these animals following liana in one area. What is wrong with. Follow me around. They're going to go do my bidding. Snakes would be my friends and not my enemies animals. Maybe the snakes leave me alone. That's my fear. So i would like to talk to my cat so i think i would actually quite like. That could be like. Oh and then like a bird with the idol. I hate that. But i do think if everyone would be invisible every single person that said it will literally gonna snap. Everyone would be. It wouldn't be like it would be like. Why am i learning. Yeah no one here. The final nine or the final eat. I can't tell okay. I have my final answer. I've decided shape shifting shapes you contestants and ruin their games and make myself better as a result you shape shifting to say like liana up to mike and say i want to pick it so stupid and dumb and i hate you and then mine doesn't wanna work with that's smart hundred even like the. Bnb why are we doing exactly or you can shape ship into nikko panaji. Oh and be like. This isn't a real idol and like throw it into the fire. Your utility you guys really. You thought about this a lot a lot. More than my thought about his winnipeg games is the primary personal us game. 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They you three have not seen this so you have at no idea and so you really are a blank slate or this game. It's nice and simple. I'm going to read to you a quote that nickel panagiotis said about a particular contestant on this season of survivor south africa. Now you have two options here if you feel like you are confident in whoever it is because i did make the pronouns gender-neutral. You can guess outright if you do you get two points. If you need a little bit of help for one point i can tell you the gender of the contestants nicholas talking about but we're essentially just gonna go. Each one of you is going to get a question. Go round and round and round and round. But we'll see if you either assess neko's assessments and see how accurate they are and see if you agree or disagree with what nikko thought. Because he certainly had a lot of thoughts about these contestants. Okay okay. i'm gonna start with. I'm gonna start with all start with here so again. I'm going to read this quote. I blanked out the names and made the prononce gender-neutral two points. You can outright contestant or for one point. I can give you the gender of the contested so i i started with the shorter quotes and then went longer as the game went along so this is a little bit of a short one blank. Right has all blank has already won this season of survivor essay in their own head. Ooh i am going to respectfully not go for the one point. I'm going to go for the to let me let me look over here. I can't remember exactly who. I'm thinking of all right so to talk to you a little bit. The reason i'm going to go with this decision is because this person when asked who their most like just pick the winner. They also much felt themselves in their interview. They also happen to be the first person that i heard you interview. So i'm going to go with annella final answer. I'm so sorry that is incorrect. The person who has already declared themselves the winner is chappie. Yeah choice does literally second choice. If you went for the one evidence that guy wouldn't you one way or the other immediately knew this was one of the men was like this one pointer fifty fifteen who wants to be a millionaire leave like the only candidates. The leading. all men would have been pretty redundant but pretty much tracks with our interview with chappie is when he said that he was. He played better than what like ninety percent of the people that have already played survivor so far already despite never having played survivor. Like i'm nikko. Caught onto this. All right i'm gonna go to shannon next link is someone who right from the get go. You can't help but like there's just something about blank. That will be great for them so hot that could be so many people i think are split by gender at least from likeable people. All right this is referring to a woman teresa. Sorry we're talking about pine t- there's just something about pine t- say that. I love that movie but i don't think has enough hair to have it stand up due to certain substances. Liana go into you. Hear blank is one of the most emotional of the cast. They wear their hearts on their sleeve. It got a very interesting pass which has made them yearn to take life on the horns. Which is why. I think they wanna play this game. Oh gosh okay. I'm gonna i'm gonna take the fifty fifty. It is a woman okay. Well that's already what i was thinking. Useless mike michael stupid winner. Pick the thing is is that there's so many women who have been through so many things. Can i hear the quote again. Blank is one of the most emotional of the cast. They wear their heart on their sleeve. Got a very interesting past which has made them a urine to take life by the horns. Which is why. I think they wanna play this game. Is it. It is not on you mention her before on. It is carla. Oh yes alright. Zero zero zero game back to pujols. He described her as emotional will the one that wears her heart on her sleeve. Okay it's interesting. I think that i would not necessarily head her as that. I mean maybe she was. So that's what. Nikko is more ascribing to it. But i raise an eyebrow at that assessment as well. Yeah interesting maybe we also don't know her talapity savvy again. It's been very little time in the world and she's seen survivor new zealand season. One and two on a fall in love its canonical nico you show like. I think we would know she would. No all right. We're going back to here. They're very focused minded whatever projects they undertake they put everything into it and of course. Their next project is survivor. Okay all right. You know what i feel like. We're all zero zero zero. I feel comfortable going for the fifty fifty. Nikko is assessing. a man. Shouldn't have gone for the fifty fifty. It's cool it's fine. They're very focused. Minded this is now their project on time. I was close but no cigar this time. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna pick you're going to pick your i'm going to pick dino dino final answer well keep you on the board with zero two of those together. You get zoo. It was jason. That nicole is talking about a minded. You got a law going on a pigeon. Racer the yeah. It's interesting. I guess maybe this might end immediately translate into those first few days to is. The shelter is always an immediate project on survivor. And so i could imagine that maybe jason is going to be that guy to take the lead on shelter building. which has its benefits and its drawbacks. Does nino these people at all like if we're all getting euros i don't think that's on us. Maybe niko doesn't know. I love that you're immediately saying no no no. It's the quiz that's wrong. Yeah me that. That's what i would do. I'm gonna give you another chance here and if you get a point you're merely gonna say this is the best quiz ever clean. You know he said well. Blank is the teddy bear of the season. Well that could be. I'm gonna say thinking like who's lovable nago said bay grills because that's just too wasn't a yeah exactly i think i'm gonna go with between two i'm gonna say dino i'm sorry was a nella really wasn't gonna say that this is bad you know one on the outside. He's right built rugby coach but then inside he has like a vulnerability an empathy that you might not initially expect. Well if he said that he was a rugby hirsch would have got it. So the next assessment was oh. We have this rugby coach. Mike my give it away that that would be a lot. Yeah all right liana back to you see it on the board here the thing about blank their face is always smiling but if you look into their eyes is these rimet or something always going. On behind blank size there's this coiled serpents that hides behind it which is really great but this game show. okay. I'm gonna take the fifty fifty year. Nikko is speaking about a man okay good. I'm glad i went for the fifty fifty a smile a smile. But if you look into their eyes you see. Something's brimming all right. I'm going with dino here. I'm sorry that is hitting me right. This is a hard game in bad game. One of win no wonder nothing. Nothing passing the ball back and forth right now. All apparently the coiled serpent has coiled serpent behind his is only going super all. He's one of those things. Maybe he's the one who's has animal control. Then if he has a snake behind his is hope he can control that snake behind his is otherwise. There'll be dangerous situation there back around to puja blank is an against the grain kind of player. They do everything different to everyone else. Okay so a completely different everyone else. Give me the fifty fifty. Let's just make it easier for ourselves because already all confidence that we're gonna go to go is speaking about a woman all right all right so gonna look everyone here. Can you repeat one more time. Then i'll leave you alone. Blank is an against the grain kind of player. they do everything different to everyone else. Liana can you explain against the grain timmy. Because you know me best to you. Know how i'll understand like goes against the status quo like against what is normal like swimming. Swimming against the current right like like is that a characteristic for a fool or a very cool and confident or lovable idiot. We'll typically at someone who just doesn't subscribe to the status quo so it it could be a good trade. It could be a bad trait. Okay the hell no. I'm gonna go with son. Tany it is theresa feel and there's so many people was another one. Yeah this did that. But negotiators nikos. He's a lot of appeal theresa. There were a few people that he didn't make a winner. Pick like me. But he said like there are a few people he could seem making it to the end. Theresa was one of them actually had a lot of positive things to say about three saw. Okay love that. I think he's done so far back around to shannon ready to get no points. They run the risk of taking it day by day. You're the kind of person who loves to enjoy every moment. That's how they come across if they add a healthy dose of strategy to that or alliance with someone who strategic might make it quite far in this game if you fifty the woman kion. It is marisha. Oh set gone to so rich risheh seen for a week you remind me of the scene. That face on Okay well this is going. How many more questions left. We have four more albouy. Zero zero zero. Did we have a plan to that. Everybody went nickel. Peja wins then then. Whoever touches the immunity idol time. It's one of those is a truck full immunity once. They're the winner of my money's on mike and he's hosting so that counts for probably think of in my home that could count unity idle all right. Anything is there flirted around that my count. No go touch her stickler accessible the instruments virus south africa. They're actually are immunity. Idols and podiums okay. This isn't on. Video appears holding up a costa in front of him. That has a food. Ileana what are the odds of that. Yeah when i lived in new orleans. I got them so it was very dramatic at the time. I would like to play that. Play this coaster this poster right here. Let's sat on your table. I'm arianna let's look back to you. Tell me they're the type of person that is so intent in their own world. They actually don't necessarily see what's going on around them which is actually a great trait in the game of survivor to be too concerned about others can really mess with your game. I do agree. This is a very interesting assessment. Neko's he's wrong. We're right that's what it is. All right and it goes sitting. Being egocentric is a good thing and learning so much. Okay fifty fifty me. Nikko is picky about a man are right a dude. Who's like super into himself. I'm gonna go with sean. I'm sorry it was chappie is again pecks on bounce themselves. Exactly i was just thinking like probably wouldn't go for the same person twice can start rolling people out crossing people off my list and immediately went back. Jappie these games at this point to know well diane british final round all. We'll skip the two point sharada. I'll give the gender outright the fedex. Jeff saying okay. We're going to match. Is sandra becky a one. I yeah all right so this is a woman is the sunshine and the sunrise of season. Eight one hundred percent the attack with positively when the fire has died down and it's cold and it's raining you need to get your heat source from somewhere else. People with a positive energy heat source that everyone seeks someone so in mind going to be shocked when it's definitely not them so so you said something with sun twice in it at the start so i'm removing sunshiny from my reminded listing. Can you repeat the rest of the statement. One more time blank is the sunshine and the sunrise of season. Eight one hundred percent. They attack with positively when the fire has died down and it's cold and it's raining you need to get your heat source from somewhere else. People with a positive energy become net. Heat source that everyone seeks. who in the castle. positively. Whether i'm right or wrong. I believe this to be right. Regardless i'm gonna go with an issue. You really should have gone with the similar syllables. It was on. What the this guy. This guy is. Kind of doodoo julia. The that's what it was for me. I'm going to pick the one. That's bearing the name. You won't say boo. He's not doodoo nikko. Pan-asia was such a devout poet. But yes. I also want to pick this one because i love the image of like her. As this like incandescent heat source that people will huddled around two and they're cold a harry's fiery red. I would've said kion again. But i guess that makes sense to maybe that nico is thinking. Hey if anyone's ever going to do this a quiz. I'll try some clues and it's still the thing about the bad thing about though is that it's her job to put out fires so she can't be that fire. Yeah this is. This is not the first time of spoken about where firefighters can create fire. This week on a podcasts. Also thank you to kion for showing us some amazing photos of her like on the job as a firefighter like she is absolutely killing it. And of course like the looks are out of this world alongside liana all right shannon. We're gonna you here. This is the dan go. This is a man two zero yup. They've lived their whole life looking after themselves. Only relying on blank if they come into this game and don't allow themselves to trust others and let other people into their game. They may find themselves on the outs playing a lonely game. Which is very dangerous sean. It was tyson one twenty four. Yeah but he's like super independent right. I don't know oh my god. He lived his whole fellas. Sean and he loves dog. We talked about him like randy tyson. Nicolette you met because we spent a lotta time all about them and there's just no way we all be on zero anyway. Does it liana. Please read three ways. You're my best early on all right. You are assessing a woman. Hear 'em blank is the dark horse of the season when they walked into the audition room. I looked at them and thought there's no way they're gonna last three days in this game the minute. They sat down and open their mouth. You realize that their strength comes from a completely different place than physical being. They're a force to be reckoned with. Mccall new had such an accurate assessment before liana. This is your winter. This is another no. she's a fitness. What initially i i. Here let me tell you. Okay let me tell you why is wrong elm together you make an assumption. Okay is same thing shock better views and then she's like i walked across twenty eight days out in the wilderness. And then it's oh. Wow all right. She's gonna last more than three days. That's the correct answer. No i completely agree on your right and nicholas cage. So i think this further like this cements nickel joe. I think as like within the pantheon of survivor host. Because how many times are jeff. Probst cast assessments. Have people said like what. Jeff where are you coming from. You're completely wrong about this. Nikko joined the club. Buddy thank you for opening yourself up to so much scrutiny here breath i'm excited to watch the video to see what else he got wrong. Yeah i mean to some other people that nikko things will make it far. He thought he did think actually nestle is another endgame person he had kind things also say about rainier and pujols. Winter picked kieran as well. I hope for him but if he apparently the opposite of everything that is true than that means unfortunately three coming right right. Gigantic failed across the board. I think we can all agree. We have another game. That who you guys. And i'm out of this so i got zero points so this whole i now hosting the next game. You guys could make some points. Hopefully guys can do better at this. On this is a game called stanford possible. It comes from the great. Sarah karatina something. We spoke about a little bit because we were getting a lot of to bid from the first four seasons is virus on africa that we haven't watched and they sounded a little interesting and now fares made a game for us. Hold this as deputy passports that goes around the world. And i will give you a true foles. Has this happened in survivor. Anywhere in the world. That's it fifty fifty so surely just by math. There should be some points gained here. But we'll see at least one. Yes so then question. Yeah i bought fifteen questions so you all get five turns okay and it is. You should all be getting at least just on average two and a half points. Okay this under. But i have lost all faith in us as human beings with my this is also. My screen is at so number one. Has this happened. Save eliminate voting causeways. Vote twice a tribal council. One vote to save one to eliminate contestants save votes subtracted from their elimination votes. To decide who will get torched. That sounds incredibly complicated. So of course it happened. It did not. Oh good big brother. Australia big brother. Uk and big brother philippines. This this is very complicated. This is a very strange way to vote. People abacus to be like okay so he got to eliminate votes but three save votes. if he's at like negative one at the moment can you go into the negatives. they're an absolute value. I guess most people would be the natives. Because i mean you eliminate people that's all negative but then you're adding up the positive i wouldn't joining tale-ish to be on who is. He's voted out here very complicated. Math liana voting by all the contestants when the final to tie the jury Three ot contestants of every previous even voted of every her season. Imagine inhabiting ghost island. Jeff hey if you could just lateral real but even have been like often the season they wash it or is it like. Hey okay we just got great. People describe them to you. Let me know going. You're you're on the line okay. Great let's like going down the role of them right like you've never met them but like look just give you a brief description years. I i if this actually occurred. That's absolutely wild so it did the sole survivor one by vote of fifty eight to sixteen in survival belgium. Two thousand and eight lauded believe me. I wanna i wanna i hope you guys get points considering what still on zero over an hour into the off. I'll break it open outbreak tip. If you think that's too insane to have happened it must be real must be real does not rule it out of contention. That was my with that. First question was like this sounds off the wall and overly complicated it happened. It did but just on a different reality show. So i will say because sarah's amazing crane games none of this none of the ones that just made up the the from like a different show or a suggestion by someone at a point so so they're going to be like there's going to be put into them all right. Can we get. I went on the board how we doing as a group. This is cold. The blood oppo. An outgoing player gives the blood. co contestants. Still in the game that contestant receives two extra votes at the next tribal council. Okay so. I sound liar at master. Why you know. It wasn't one of the. The jack sparrow movies. The parts of care movies. The curse of the black pearl. And this is the blood pearl. This could be a very well. Thought-out one i feel like in theory. This makes a lot of sense. It's kind of like you know you're throwing iran out of bullets. You throw the gun. On the way out. Kind of thing i would say true. We have our first point on the board. I'm going to write a little one year. It gives me joy to do so. This is from the philippines thousand nine. It kind of is like the anti birkin riot like games but instead of leaving someone with a little riches. They'll find that bang they'll find. This is the expulsion advantage sort of rights. You can't name in. It's just more so like a middle finger. Yeah exactly yeah. I don't know that. I like it. Because i definitely rented in the pas about like even like in when andy in australia between nineteen just like he was voted out and then he said the dave had an item and i was like. You're out of the game. I don't think i'd like to actually getting token choice of to really intrigues me. Because they're like well. One vote isn't enough to your. Yeah it is. I mean also you know blood pearls. I prefer mine created manmade ito and lab at. It's more like blood diamonds. Say blood pearl. Sounds like i don't know. Some sort of disorder sounded is not anyway but it exists all right so mike year i yeah. Reversal and one tribal council. After the voting host analysis at the person with the most stays and is immune from the next. I don't think this happened. It did not is from screen rant so might get support okay. Yes it was very much. It was very much. The slop token stuff from big brother canada. Five when they were enduring backwards week when they were like. Oh but we had the most. You actually don't get it. This is a really really bad this. I'm glad that doesn't exist at the kind of that kind of thing that like somebody who would do because we'd be animation right and i absolutely flame in august. So it'd be like don't worry just because you've got the least amount of votes slash amount about your would exile bad liana yes. Rotating pez coughlin's offensive in random peres which rotated every three days off to each joint. Tribal council in this is for the whole season has not been specified to me. That's all i have ic- 'cause i could see it as a twist for in episode rights instead of tribes. Now you are in a couple of. I mean they they kinda did you that as south africa and for one episode rotate. Every three days. A one time thing happening at least rare dancing on survivor. Literally what i was thinking about. Yeah i might just take the math on this safe false. It falls you get a point. You're type of one that's also from screener. I wanna say. Stop suggesting things blocking to gestion right julia up to you. Classic six rich and poor starting tribes were divided into rich and poor annoying. I have heard of worse. I've heard of worse at this point so it'll hundred percent. I'm going to go with true on this. Another point. have up to an incredible two points in the game. This did happen on swedish survivor. Two thousand and five was it based on like did they take their income and derive it based on that like they look at their tax returns yet. Probably i mean enough of the class. I might say of questions. I throw the because this is all i have the. Maybe they would be quite an easy thing to quantify. I mean mental like some other themes how you quantify what a hustler. But you can quantify. I guess if you have like a standard line rich and poor and just clip that. Yeah i mean i feel like i've filled out forms. Were there like what's your income. Is it more than this amount or less than this amount. And if they had like that one figure cast like ten people in the overtime people in the under then that kind of works. aspen The feeling feeling not. Everyone's going to be like yeah. Here's how much. I made survivors your worse. So this is relevant enough. You've got to be brother ustralia. I don't know if you guys saw this. The way to the forum of the brothers failures working that vote people out but the audience for its for a win so what one player is doing. I saw a clip unbelievable at such a great way to gain this really stupid system that the show is doing. He's telling everyone he is so rich in wearing like fancy clothes and being like i have properties like in the mountains and just acting so rich so they all want to take into the ed of the audience is in on the fact that he was like just the country. Boy is not at all rich. So you know gets to the end. They would probably vote for that because it's fun and their internet and because it's all like he has a ton of money that's the lie. It's not yet so good. That's some good stuff right there like that a lot. Yeah yeah. Because when i saw that i was like maybe i'll watch big brother. That sounds fun and then someone told me that. They brought in several intruders. And then i was like i was like the grandpa simpson me. That's such a smart play. I think so. You can be like on the rich tribe. And maybe david versus goliath. People don't want to vote you get to the angela. I live undercover rich. Man of like they took one poor person and put them on the rich person's tribe. Yeah and that will not be the wildest thing that comes out is all of this so jabbing next one to my yes records via smart and down starting tries to divide dukes modern dumb based on an iq test taken prior to the start of the competition. This is like straight out of the mole or or like the apprentice right. They did once you get book. Smart versus street smarts. So that thinks that okay now this is where after game a bit right because it's like it's very similar to one. Does that mean it would be true or was purposely. Put up against the show like dichotomy. I'm you know what i'm just gonna. I'm going to say that it happened. It does sound like what happened. Did happen on danish survivor. Bet you thousand and nine. that's awesome. that's that's an interesting idea. Little little this was a lot where i was reading last night and just like cracking up. Laughing wasn't really smart and dumb. I mean i guess it wouldn't have been in english but wasn't like that relative things on the dump truck. Try whistling street smarts different. Both of that has smart in it. Eat on the dumb tribe. I've known as a dumb person. How do you handle camp. Good name for that. That would be a fun season. Because i feel like that the smart people would inherently once. They know they're smart. Let their guards down. And then the dummies would try and supersede what they've been titled so i feel like that would make them play harder. Make plays your. That could be fun. I gotta imagine though the titles for that season like they went with the you know like the the the confident versus the means well like oh then meanwhile like they're never going to call them the dummies. Like there's gotta be a nice word to use to call someone dumb. I don't know what word that would be. You wouldn't say book smart versus street-smart right. I think of nice way to call something dumb leon. Whatever you complimented we with. I'm sure with us. So what do you call me dummy. Baby baby tribe maung. You've completely missed the point in our at bears me. No so we know you're the smart one right a phd you. It's in the world of science. I have my lovely bachelor of arts communication. Yeah what do you call me like. i'm not smart. Oh i'm emotionally intelligent. That is the thing that can be good on. Your mutually exclusive no no in our relationship. I'm the emotionally intelligent. If she calls her emotionally intelligent. I don't think she's meeting to call you dumb like that's not know but i've got to imagine at some point you've called me something without calling me okay. Well once well intentions. I one foot. I once put eggplant in our in my crock pot back in canada disintegrated. And liana roosted me about for like a year and a half because you're supposed to put it in the crock. No she thinks i know. I know she's thought of me. Lovely wait a minute wait disintegrate or did it just become invisible. The shooting our and it can control animals. I was there so i really like smart versus dumb. Because then the merged tribe name can be smug. We're on this mum tribe. We're gonna start darts right. There depends on how many dummies merged with the smart majority. Imagine the dumb people just put going the smart people. It's like we don't deserve this. We were meant to be better. Showed that it doesn't matter. What season is this. So this was in danish survivor tonight. I am going to look it up to seep. It was like and it was not in don like it is in capital letters. Yeah it is looking at the wikipedia page right now. It's smart versus dumb. the thing is looking at. I'm looking at the. yeah no. It's legit it's called. I'm looking at the breakdown. Though and there seem to be less people on the dumb tribe because they work it out they didn't even make it to be like one of four people on the dump tribe and then sixteen people on this march right. Yeah i had a really barry quiz but you guys didn't wait now. I felt okay. We hold on the to whip pages of different maybe there. Oh yeah well a lot of people. And i think she should i announce who one. Yeah guess try the thirty seconds. If you're trying to still get you dany survive a two thousand nine. Six five o'clock the next fifteen. It was won by fifty three year old man by the name of villi een berg and he started on the smart tribe. Yeah nothing about a way to call a dump and dumb abi nice. Maybe there's gonna do that. It's a mean thing to call someone. Yeah i again. That's the dog. I i think it smart versus dumb. I can't believe they couldn't think of a better way to do that but they should have. They should have worked a little bit harder. i'm looking at synonyms for dom. It's may also mindless notice terrible. Okay those mindless still synonyms. Stupid unintelligent ignorant dense brainless foolish. Slow witted slow dull dole witted. Witless half witted so on and so forth so not really woman kind way. Back a backhand simple maybe simple versus smart. All i love this idea. Okay so we get four tribes. We have the wise the simple tribe. We have the evil tribe and the tribal doesn't know enough to ask. My jews are gonna get together getting amazing. it's five stop work smarter versus the work harder. That's tribes better faster stronger harder harder right. Of course all right great segue because all of those teams are better than what. I'm about to of leon on her kweskin masters and slaves lighted into mazdas and slaves one with male mazdas and female slaves and one slave. I this may exist. I just cannot in good conscious say this was a thing. So i'm definitely going. No i really admire your hair i do. It has lost to appoint though and now you have a danish. The violence through thousand and big year after houses. Listen saved certain. Lucerne survivor franchises in may have been reported that certain survivor french. Just have done away with teams. This is why you do just that because then you end up going down the road to smart versus dumb and master versus slave. Look i wanna stay a lot of time off laughing at these questions but identical it. Look like a swedish podcast right now. That's like no. They really split by race. Heroes healers versus hutton's. They thought fake. They have this thing called ethics agent. So look like we're above this when not going. I'm just saying that when you put it all together in one quiz and that was that was two years in a row back. Danny survive mad at smart versus dumb that i have no problem with. I'd be fine with that. Just the concept of using the term slave. Even ten years ago danish survivor. Maybe it's not so great. It's okay we still and versus demos pulling in smartphones brainless. Witless all of a sudden. You gave a brilliant right back to survive at this land. That's a c three tribes of pilots and aircrew pham as train drivers. The sailors swimsuit. I love you. No like the only other time i've heard of land. Sea and air in recent times is when i found out that there are people that will get a filet o. Fish a mc double and a junior chicken at mcdonald's put it all together far more likely than this season. This is a false. You are correct. Sarah talionis with no that. This is not a season. This is natalie anderson's dad suggestion. I have no idea. The context of how that was something that came on knowing indirect with natalie analysts. Mr andersson's on speed. Dial like. Give me your suggestions. All i'm not doing it for anything in particular. Just just let me know what. You're thinking while finale aniston's daddy she put natalie knotty aniston's dad s that the same guy. I would assume so as well. Yeah there's some bear grylls cloning shenanigans going on if that's not the case you're three three so you absolutely killing this game. I know what's true and what's false. Just good at that unless it comes to nico's nicos assessment was a pallet cleanser. All right none of us got it. We can now build on that and technically in both games. I'm at one hundred percent. I one a hundred percent long right here full marks for me. You went funny because smart. Well that's what it is. That's what we talked about. The can rely become david's. No but davis to become the same way. You can graduate from smart if you would away you get honorary pot. Even if you wanted to drive drive i think i don't know i'm gonna watch the season off season going. A little long wouldn't have stopped at a point we all would have got their mike The joke renew contestants into the game at the end of episode fifteen as I mean so the joker. Maybe it's because. I have the circle of top of mind but obviously that was a twist that has been utilized on that show. Why would they be the joker unless they came with like powers or just troll ish nece to ruin the game also. They're just coming onto the show as complete contest ends into the game with the nfl. Fifty i don't know what's so hard for you. Just fifteen of what. One hundred seven survive after. Fifteen episodes everywhere. Well yeah especially when you're winning of a vote of fifty three to forty previous contestants. No you're right. Because i know a turbo who was on the challenge. You want a couple of seasons of survivor turkey and does went for like a hundred days right so like episode. Fifteen could just be a drop in the bucket. I'm gonna say it happened. It did another point for my cash. Ya happened on swedish survive. Twenty twenty s. We've survive. I have a lot of last year. Wow yeah i mean that's just intruders. Which they brought intruders into amazing race with skrela awfully. Actually stop watching the season. And i tweeted a lot about it and how angry i was in the hope of like if i got so much bad press and they never even think about doing it because i think it would be on e. beyond australian saliva. I just hope that really did get a lot of again. Not just for me. It was just really everyone hated it. So hopefully they realize to never do that. Australian saliva so when we found out this danish survivor season was indeed real. I ended up going to the wiki page to look at it. And i might be taken a point away from liana if this is the exact next question. I don't think it will be but in two thousand eighteen. They had a three tribe season of heroes villains and jokers so that will danish survivor as well. You know what that's different. Villain joker michio k thirty eight hundred four but most infamous villains of all. Time is literally named the joker. He's not an inbetween short. Because there's a lot of the danish ones after the master's season there's a lot of them that have like two teams of nine one pre existing relationship and one joker or like two teams of and two jokers. I don a joker means as it like an intruder or is it like a neutral person who comes in to 'cause menace to them get us. I've no idea what this means. you think. It's like a translation issue. It could be similar to league the jokers in of cards right. They can take many. They kind of take any spot almost on june area. I don't like here's the third try again. Survivor has had some very questionable themes and very questionable three tribe theme so again. We can't talk but you're in villains anti heroes. I guess is like a middle ground versus neutrals but not versus joke. Is here those those this is neutral. Anita just a normal regular neutral new drug. I'm on the base tribe. We bathed buffs. And that's what we're ash versus. The civilians versus regulars actually on next question dodging to yes. West eleven jury eliminates the jury eliminates one of the final. Oh the jury eliminates one of the final four so add the final four. The jury votes one person out. Yes i see devoted the end. I don't duri still vote at the end. The jury jury jury vote for the endless issues. So i don't know. But i would assume so interesting. I'm gonna say false. This happened swedish. Saliva twenty twenty the same had the. What is sweet for -vivor julie. I'm looking at it right. Spoil future seasons. Because this is not the last i look from sweetie saliva twenty twenty so upcoming question about the season. It was gonna be okay. I'm gonna switch stuff all right. My joker move toward issue. I'm going to say. I know this is intriguing but maybe in the future we door. Google international survivors during the international survivors season quiz. Just annoy embarrassing. We'll be all points. But let's try. I'm going to go to and then about. We'll talk about offer this game. We'll do a whole podcast. Michael switched to five or twenty twenty. It sounds like it needs by. I don't think we should do it at the end of each of our podcast for this upcoming season. We'll sprinkle a little something. That happened in swedish survivor. Twenty twenty will definitely get to us. Even if we don't want watch. Which do i mean. It sounds maddening. More maddening. mike's terrible nonexistent. Who challenge for a winner. Winner of the season is determined by challenge between the final three jury. This makes sense. This makes sense. Because i could i again. We talked about in turbo was on the challenge has won two seasons of survivor turkey I could see a survivor out there where it is more challenged based than you know the the social strategy game the we're familiar with i'm gonna go with true. It just makes sense of all the countries at least one of them might have format it this way in four four yes. This was the a swedish thrive at twenty any question that i was going to give mike but he clearly just looked up that in fact the jury i guess didn't work because it was a challenge the end zone so they voted out someone a final four miller like all right. We're going home final three. You got the rest. We could beat obey and so on top of that person. The person that they voted out out the final four was one of the jokers. Good at that makes me feel better. Another joker made it into the final three and came in second place. Okay jokey didn't win. A joker didn't win but they came. Close see i was gonna say the jury voting out at the end. Obviously this is terrible but at least would make you feel better that that wasn't going to win the jury's voting them out voting for them to win so much of a much but it was a challenge for a widow so they absolutely did stop that person possibly from winning. They stopped at that chance of happening. So we survive. I get it together. Is what i would say. Yeah all right. We have one round left us in the lead of four. Mike is on three liens on one so she added that also have. Let's go baby voted out of the by the jury of the on ed. All right mike. No one ever voted out tribal council costs and highlight in secret with no one leaving the game at the end of thirty nine days. The person with the fewest number of tallied votes wins. No i don't think this. Because i do believe this sounds like something that was suggested by someone in one of the one of the think tank so. I don't think it happens clearly. Wasn't i did. You might be a sarah latinas jesse which might be conical. This is a terrible so this is why you guys remember it because sewing bad eating marisha things. That is well considering how much she might have in her blood. That like. that's how she thinks the game should be played. Yeah i mean who would. Who would suggest this. Why do they hate survivor and me. We've been sara lee and who am i declare lucena but it's it's all good. I will say now that. I love this whole 'cause i'm kind of into it like we'll just keep everyone around thirty days which just fine on how few view. What would we even be doing. Well with this show be it would lose all its drama it would. It would be so complicated. Yeah wouldn't want you know how much votes everyone has. Because then you right. Who's running away with it. So you'd have to reveal some votes right to like least let us know a little bit of what's going on. Otherwise what they're just gonna show a bunch of obscure votes than they'll move on all right. That's it go back to camp couple days win with fifty votes. So that makes sense wants to see the light of day. Go to sweden. I'm best she take it there in on it. I want to go on this survivor. Thing you tank podcast. It's like all right. Let's do some really offensive theme bring people in halfway through the jurists. Avoid them and then we'll do a challenge at the house of five we. We didn't really sounds like wonderland like everything. Topsy turvy stars in multiple times. It is lovely have not watched survivor. But all i can speak to this vibe twists which i wanna go to sweden now through speed and for me i actually i would go anywhere anyway because of covid but also as you really wanna go to sweden sorry for insulting. It's probably great leon. Final question points. That cannot make you win. Treasure island find a rain on the island to guaranteed a place at the final tribal councils like an immunity idol. eighty you. yeah it says finder rain but instead of saving you can one travel council. As i don't do it would get you all the way to the final council if that were to happen. I don't know if you would. What would you do in the meantime. I have no idea this is. This is lord of the rings. You have to like. Get it to tribal council. I c c you. Yeah you can't be voted out. So does it like votes. Oh votes just sitting around you. Probably just hang on the island. I don't know if you've probably still votes immune immune until the final trunk council all right. Well i'm hoping that the math works out. I think i've said falls all the times. So i'm going to say false again. You know this happened. This happened on kenny. Succeed more of course. Of course. Of course i was all the french makes sense now. I'm intrigued to that. Person ended up winning the season. Mike idaho nothing air not gonna type planes flying now you can google. You've been googling the quiz now. You ever france which year when he colada all right so you google. I will give the final politics. Koh lanta treasure. Ooh treasure island loosely translates last question because this is actually a big deal because either going to get them all right and when five to four or he and michael tied on foreign or do if we tie. Are you gonna message. Every previous are south africa. Guest i ask. Do i think right now. Frigging look if it is if you tie. I'm gonna text peter in the other room. And i'm just gonna ask him to choose between you know. Just ask no. I'm gonna ask who he likes more win. Also i feel like he loves via so would definitely had so. This is vital. We bought all right question. Fifty question korea. One hundred castaways literally game starts with one hundred cost ninety nine problems and is literally every other contest on this island. How came up with this concept of this. This is this is. I feel i would have heard about this. One hundred castaways about this one. I'm gonna a false competently. Because even if i lose. I'm tied with mike so it's fine. I'm going to go with false. it happened. it's true. It would happen in survive a belgium two thousand and seven. I'll take how how we did it. We did talk about the fact that the other belgian was also. That was the one you know what that was the one where they voted with where they got fifty six to fourteen belgium. Wasn't it all the pretty bell. Jim really does higher numbers involved in. So i have a question. I have a question for you. So in two thousand seven there were literally one hundred costs ways. All right all worked out in two thousand and eight survivor. Belgium had a tie way. Every previous Congested invited staying with one fifty. Eight hundred sixteen so that's fewer people than even the loss. Even i think a just sent to spam. There is plenty before and that was just the amount of people that chose to void horrible voters. It's a hundred people. And it says the description says two tribes of twenty seven divided into north and south team. Wait there's tribes within tribes. Then we're what happens to the other. Forty six fifty four versus. what else. Okay i think that it was two thousand eight. They won fifty eight to sixteen. Which sounds like a lot in context of actually a terrible voting third out because a lot given how many people oh so okay. So i'm reading the initial major twist. This season was that for the first time. In the history of any survivor franchise worldwide. One hundred. contestants would take part in a single season. This twist however didn't last very long as in episode two twenty five of the contestants voluntarily left the game pass to yeah in episode three twenty one. Contestants were eliminated as they were not picked to be either the north or the south team gimmick and they just sorta like lead them to the slaughter and it gets better. It gets better okay. I'm so sorry. For spoiling the season for everyone that would've wanted to watch it thousand seven. Yeah exactly and episode. Three twenty one contestant were eliminated. We're not picking episode. Four thirteen members of the north team were eliminated following a loss in episode five. The entire south team was eliminated following their loss at the second immunity and eight members of the team were eliminated following elimination challenge to determine who would be the final group of contestants that would make up the jury and final two. So it's like a pre survivor survivor. Yeah when jeff probst joke that like oh. The loser will be taken executed. That's what literally happened here. They said like well. Sorry team. you're gone now. You're all i want to say. I went on the season. I did this. One hundred people came onto my season model. It was called like model boot camp and they did just slashed the first navy. I never saw them again. I don't know what happened. And i don't know what remained into the clothes that you wore my god. Just say hey love react. Everyone started with a hundred people and then seven people voted for the winner. And you got four of them and one. The season with four votes like how is that. What season is then. The next like fifty six to fourteen by the way. Be the person who found the golden ring in a infringe survivor did indeed when the season unanimously. Yeah you all about. Why did i even by gamma guy. Culture in big brother uk. I think fifteen. I've only watched one civilian big brother. Uk they had some kind of a public vote in the first week and this woman. Helen got voted into the finals and then won. The season coasted the hallway through was kind of an evil person and then still like so. We wanted things to be happening on. these shows. Lupita hasn't texted me back leon. You're you're passing. You just chewed between them. Who wins the time for life or your podcast partner. Klein decision is made literally coveted the other room and take away from you right a climate all the bed for the joker fails heads or tails cheers. That's love you win. It's so nice going in chooses you in a coin flip and that's bad that was that was wasn't that a way of the ended international survivors season. I'm assuming like a coin flip. Point coin flip okay. International survivors got going on is what we wanted to say and we again. We cannot judge but when judging lot smart versus dumb survive twenty twenty all of it. It's a wasteland. I love it. I don't even know what to say. I want to move on to this. And that is the final segment that we're talking about survivor. south africa. I i love that game. I was laughing some online. Immunity island is none of those. There's not going to be one hundred new cast members that just show why are ruthlessly slash out of the game. We have no idea if there'll be a challenge for the win and we have no idea if the jury will vote someone out of the vinyl goal. We can't claim the district. Definitely not happen. Opioid white short word on one hundred percents certainty Lives thank you guy for all of that. Life is full of things to manage your work. Your family your plans and your treatment considered key symptom ofa to about twenty milligram injection. You'd take yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about sympa and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation all right. We've got ten minutes here we're gonna. We're going to all come to something. John who lived in a relative's too so overdoing it by committee all our own. Do you think that you usually usually we have our own. But i'm fine to collaborate here. I'm finding people out okay. Most likely to find an idol suggestions. Okay the my first thought was well. Didn't annella say that he loved tony. Annella was the one that i was thinking of too because he also like one of the addendums one thing that i had to add on because it was completely separate from any question that i asked him was him saying like oh yeah i'm going to looking bridles immediately like as soon as i hit the beach. I'm gonna go do that. There's no such thing as downtime survivor. i'm going to be looking varietals. I think he idolizes tony. Russell hands so i i the question is there's a difference between looking for one in finding one zero out jason. Because he looks like someone who would find an idol. He's like the long head on. Will boy i hear. He does like to focus on his projects only to find one for him. Yeah i ended up picking an esu. Just because i said if you're gonna say tie and russell and they both share the record for the most found like if you're inspired by their game you're gonna be looking so i figured that could be something that can happen to all been suggestions Sean also said the video. That i saw that was on the twitter page that he would do anything to find an idol so he would also potentially be a good option. It's interesting we're not really going with any of those like the super fans on. Yeah right like you being. Because there's certain types of people like your adams like your ryan all riches who like immediately go looking but it seems like some of the more idle hunger people at least explicitly so are some of these other types. They've evolved past idols. They're thinking strategy levels above and beyond their idle notifiers. If you will know everyone loves that inside a lot. Yeah le- i'm should we do. I think that was a good. I mean she said tie russell between them they have like. I don't know fifty. I think it would be good. I feel like an essay. Sneak away like i just got a prep from the yoga session that we're doing later on the beach and then like she's gonna go squirrel away into the jungle and look bridles most likely to get a hashtag for me. There's like such an obvious one for this. And that is just and we don't know if they still do hashtags but if they were saying something that they've been like hashtag at the bottom of the screen. I feel like tian said she was gonna be like the confessional queen and i could totally true i could see. Then i mean pine t- coin to generate of all trades right which we realize is maybe not a real thing so that maybe that proves that. She has the ability to create her own phrases. I think just deadly on appeal but we also know how long shot is going to be a route as opposed to like things of maybe having longevity also having that entertainment factor right daddy's goal is already kind of hashtag clauses already hashtag that we've created so this might already be one mike month. Yeah so i wrote my mike clause down because when i immediately read the name all i could think of was to say my clause in the cadence and stylings of my humps by the black-eyed peas. So it's going to do likewise ultimate. That'll take my boss. Those are all much better answers than what i was thinking. Which was jason hashtag pigeon. Racer flights makes sense. This is very on something. And that's that's it. I like there needs to be a whole podcast about the pigeon racing concept of it all like i'm just fascinated by this because visit like cool. I mean what to explain. Jason stanford he goes and in the pg asks they land on his own. Yeah the with his arms I mean i do think come visit my zoo. Survival of is it's a long hashtag but it is it's a hashtag hashtags. Okay with any of these but has time why calls is such a thing right now. That kind of thing we did. It does but it is a hashtag e kind of the way. I think that michael compares himself to legs zeke and hannah right. Those two very writer focused contestants that were all about the hashtags. I think adam who i think was was coming up with the hashtag unprecedented stuff but i think if he's got that millennial attitude towards things. I think that makes sense. I can most likely to. This is really amy's strategy is to be purple first half of the game so which one we get. I mean she wants to be nicole so that's not particularly purple. No that isn't. I actually said nicole because i thought what if she goes off on her twenty eight day wa thinking that that's what she was supposed to do and walks away mentioned just gone like invisible for the majority of the season. Any of the invisible people could also we talked about maybe some of the more like d. l. personality people like mr coiled serpent. Paul could be someone that. Maybe i know we talked. We compare them a lot to like durant and durrell was pretty darn purple for the first like five episodes clean until he made that fake idol then he lost in the ocean. Like real coming out party then but until then. He was really a nonstarter and survivor. Island secrets what a time. That was that i couldn't even see like a nila. I think because i kept thinking about it seems like a nice guy and sometimes that doesn't translate to tv. I can also see like a marisha. She has a low going on. Obviously there's already a song in her on all and she could be really complicated character. But i also think she might. She could fall behind strategically a little bit and then she might. Just kind of get lost in the shuffle. But she google all the little podcasts available. I could see. I don't know when when you guys wanted to decide on. The committee is so in mine. I had nicole slash paul. So we're on the same page. As everyone i would imagine i could see nicole getting lost in the shuffle more likely whereas paul may because a little bit of the physical presence at least probably at the beginning might not be purple. Potentially i don't know i don't know i could seining cold but i'm also about to sainthood for the next thing because i think her two options and again we haven't built that up but i think it could go either way i could see you being or it's going to really well. Maybe just because i see so much like shawny potential in nicole. Thinking is the role that show like. She'll be a sound bite to go to no matter what whereas again like it makes me happy whereas coloring or even someone like tyson right who has a more like subdued personality could could be someone who they don't necessarily go to lot tyson. Feels like someone. Who is i mean. He talks about this too of just sort of being quiet collecting information early on. That's not gonna make for the best confessionals when sitting there listening building but amy either be under the radar so that was a good one to start with k making decision. I'm amy amy to the next one is most likely to have read. Stand them and i feel like if it goes wealth and he called like she is a look. I think the red it is point. Now here's the question though. I've been palm popping around the red. It's a little bit. I see that. Mr dino is already there i literally in my. It's on the survivor. South africa sub reddit. Dino is in the weeds with the people starting grassroots campaign. Like would shock me. Can you imagine if he was doing this very engaged. If any of them might which was. I like you guys are so into this almodena. It'd be like wow you doing a lot. Darwin with jacob derwin i think was everywhere right on his season and he was so so much it out. There's no way he goes early. Don't bother maybe a second. That's exactly if you're a big fan. You want to make sure you get all of the you know you want to be involved with everything. I feel like if any of us if i want any of these things. I would read everything that people are saying about me every game. I can't help myself. i would. I would be evolving. Sure so out. In the first second amongst the seventy five other people that got chicken the hundred person was gonna say actually. It's a really great coping mechanism if you are contests on him on these shows. I know you are tempted. To indulge in all the commentary about you. I say distract yourself. Go down the rabbit hole research. All these wacky ask european survivor seasons and just learn about all the weirdness that happens there. That's gonna take up your time that you're not going to be spending going in like looking up your name and seeing all the bad stuff that said about you. That's true if you elect the south drive at all just gets completely cold as one like episode three. You wanna you wanna spend a lotta time. I guess what people are saying. He getting as involved as possible. So i guess we don't really know how anyone is going to go. But so a red standing. You wanna say i could see that their noses. Yeah because the other end of that sort of though necked exactly the idea that read it love the fans but very quickly turn on the super fans that they feel like. They're not doing a good job playing the game Yeah i think dino is in it so he'll be more heavily scrutinized and does not always acquaintances stabbing right exactly. I think that's the thing is is that when you are Define yourself as a superfan than certain expectations come with that. Super fandom and the fans are not necessarily forgiving. We're the fans can be the best of your supporters and the worst. Because exactly what. I said the minute you come in here like either superfan or what. I prefer student of the game. You say any of those two immediately. It saying i got my phd in the show. Really then show me how to play it and then if you don't play well it's like well. I'm a student of the game. And i think you're wrong so i do think that could happen. That's why i think potentially other people would get maybe more of a support because you least expect it the bar set low and if they give you good confessional if they give you flare if they give you possess they might end up taking that stand card so for mine. I wrote someone who i just based off those photo. Basically the cast. I thought i could see you. If you have a good position even like one episode. I could see getting sand. And that's kim. I do think kion has has a very big stand potential as well because i think she's someone who has like a big personality. Yeah there is the model quality to that. It's sort of like the yes. Clean factor of like. She's slaying all these photo. She kills the look each and every time. So i can very much see a contingent as well I also think this wasn't enough really big fan but if it gave me the talking about this a thing it could go poorly because i it could go like. She's everyone's favorite player of all time to recall. Ceiling is high. If that's looking at it. She was someone else who i had on list is well. I feel strongly about her. I mean again. it's the whole superfan thing of it all. But i don't think she necessarily comes across as as in the weeds as much as some of the other contest ends and i think that that would help her for talking about about being stand slogging choice. Good choice decision. The cast is so freaking strong. Because i can even imagine so kris noble right someone who has come to be this just beloved character. At least to a certain extent. I could see even chappie is for example in ironically way me coming the j. p. of the you know or something like that that is completely unexpected because all these people are really fascinating and pretty interesting. Right like trappings of big personality. He's gonna be on the show. He seems to like have a laugh at himself on twitter as well so very much so it'd be a good character like read it staff and it's not just like he's going to be. It's like happened to read it so try get into that mindset on. Linda kion feels right when i went into the red at mindset. That's what i saw most likely to get many backed. I said paul be ironic. Because he plays so many sports he trained like a triathlete. Sarong the first thing he packed. Can you imagine me though. Actually jason because jason is he is like again jungle boy when he's in the trees even more precarious position. If you fall out of that tree could be out. God forbid but i'm saying i could see oh boy the non trying to think about like what reasons. Could someone get medevac. Right like are we thinking. Injury retaped dehydration or like you know dana from survivor philippines. Like just got a really bad cold and really stick it out or if the meat was so tender. Oh if that's the case in sean going to eat some funky ass me. And he's going to have to be medevac. Why why say suffer confidence and feels like watching shawn wanna do that. 'cause sean remember sean. Refuses to kill animals. He's going to let the chickens good on my comprised if he was a vegetarian so i was like autumn all people. He has a dog tag. That says daddy's girl. Like i just feel like like i think about like whoo climbing the tree and then falling back. That's what i'm saying john. I've got one. Where i think is someone i could pick. Because i'm very much seeing like the un side of things from david versus goliath. Where she's like a fitness professional. That's her job. What if she gets injured in a challenge is like this might risk my career. I'm going to leave the game and bet a possibly straining my injury further the girl with the girl with the knee. Yeah right to have. Fitness is like hot of their profession. Though i can't explain why i wrote this down remember reading this array near. I can't i can't tell you why i really can't live preface it with i really can't i don't remember okay are such a fan. I mean it'll be horrible. If any of them get medivac. Maybe if the first punch something that we don't have to make sure touch poisonous snake- they get medivac. That's a safe bet. You touches the doctor. In any way push their head on their shoulder. Like tell me doc. Touch the helicopter at the helicopter out. You're getting many really hedging my bets. I'm pulling a mike right now. The raiders a big fan of the show. I could i could see rainier maybe scaling etry or like doing a lot trying to take all the experience and maybe that's where it happens again. I can't explain. Why did this. But i wrote rainier and i don't want it to happen rooney. I swear it's not a thing lease maybe we take it out of the happy to the most post nude who touches the dog in paid as they say. Can i stay in the game like that. That's a long long time. That's the person who will be affectionately. Mansoor caleb reynolds next no might next time we have to do things. I'm going to do the first person touches. A million a million rand check and then we'll see. It's not if i know i just came up with and i'm putting it down now. Remember that i said this all right most likely to start upon cost you know it does have already not one lost two hours that we've been talking. I think i can also go with kieron. His lovable idiot story reminds us. Study has broadcast experience. That's the thing as well. Yeah he also seems seems like someone who has been very active as well when it comes to to social media to. I think he is is someone who could be like. Yeah some experience. Talking on the mike. I'd love to chat more survivor. The those are the two that i wrote down as well for sure for sure. I just feel like if dinner doesn't come out of this with the point cost. It would shock me so start one together. Okay it kito well. Maybe they hate each other in the game and we. We don't know what happened. Make it even juicier of these to stand each other now. Now it entirely different podcasts. Force them to podcast together. Sounds like a bad sitcom their enemies. But podcast this. I don't like me. And mike we have to host together but those like what mortal enemies. Yeah of course why we go from the platonic putin liana to no mortal enemies unless what in the same where you not present for the winter. Pick fiasco twenty-one thank. You could have changed between that time. Like a we having the On the same stakes to the premier. I'm telling you people are now going to be looking for those little fingers extending from someone's hand to be like who's going to touch that idol. I okay the stakes because we level the people one of them's going to go mike. What's another stake. What's another steak on the barbie. I don't even know you anymore. T-bone t-bone all right with another eggplant in the crock pot. Three years ago on this thing. I cooked so many things. Now we're on another level here and now my dimwit my sweet. That's what it is also game point high. We've really relationships today. Outcasts really the goal. Yes we're going to i think. Yeah keno podcast. We'll do cure andino. But if they call it that saw together we get absolute credit. How about keynotes by keno. He knows speakers. Ooh i like that. I really doing some stuff today. That some important random stuff various most likely to stuff that face with built on so yeah. I'm trying to figure out like who tried to remember back to our question of would you step down. Like i feel like there was one person who was like. Oh yeah i would go down for this and this and this and this who who like a very specific meet answer. It wasn't a few. That will i barbecue at the end. Like a bri- sorry. I feel like it was on that last group of women. Yeah there was a lot higher. Did say that she likes tom so does she be like dipping her hands and all the awesome. That's what she'd been dry when she said she wanted to play like thomas. She was like wait. I wanted to be netflix at the same thing so then actually that actually works really well. I think we have better on most likely to come on the island with pre written. I don't travel council notes martinez. Oh here's could cut both ways right because it could be like one of these super fans who was like. I have the whole game map thousand point that i have my final tribal council speech or it could be someone who doesn't really know the show and it's just like this is what you do right you prepare you. Prepare your keno address. If you will. So i really could go either way here. Now there's one on so there's one person that is the right onto this and it's chevy's yes he did. I just know he came in thinking assuming that he was gonna win and i just know that he worked those nights. I think so for me. It's it's a matter of. Is this a one for one on the martinez scale where people find the notes are is this. Someone who very cleverly has it calculated hidden tucked away. But i think chat is a good one. Maybe not written. But i've been here. Because i think you're in someone who would have thought about this moment. A lot of would have the wherewithal to maybe. Maybe it's like memorized almost but and if it's in note form i feel like you're in will not lose the notes so that's why you're on my list as well for this eventually. I was on both of your wavelengths. I had chappie as question. Mark and then for pujols line of logic. Mike clause because voyeur super analytical. I guess he him wanting to pre plan. Okay you know. i know. I'm going to be under a lot of stress out there. We think about what. I'm going to say when i get out there games or risk assessment outta that. He's got all that down. Yeah i think it works in the song. My claus claus claus mike loss. His notes pre do heading out the suit. He's during data. Going to put mike in who i hope so do. The pre cast photos is anybody in a suit. No they're all pretty. No there are other all just sort of like you'll where slash bathing suits. But i do wonder and admiration now have songs for them throughout podcast. I will not rest until everyone gets a jingle. Even though i the jingle so far and over the michaels you'll is amazing but the problem i have is that writing. It's not found writing. A down makes no sense. Because you can't have trouble council speechifying Before the game the game hasn't happened yet. no you're wrong. Yes so like. I could see cure michael throughout but i would say chappie one who pre one. Yeah no i think yours might ultimately makes sense most because chappie does come off very much like the hero of the narrative so chapters is going to play the most unforgettable game known into survivor so if he also follows that energy through then his notes would make the most sense. 'cause he's going to give you that energy regardless of how the game shakes out a final pre dimension. Ninety want so not only that. Let's remember that. Like oftentimes parents send like a note in the lunchbox with their kids. We know that is the biological child of robin nicole as raised by jaw so someone in that perverted family tree. Maybe had written his previous speech for him. Sent him on the island. True a major driven. I also think if you're set to lose he is not pre written. You could change you to. He is a cad man which would work as well and the about how the cat we could still do it against extracurriculars. I think we are still waiting for the initial mike loss response on us calling him a cannibal cat lawyer. Let us know. Let me on instagram. On hey hey this okay man. Cool with this. No news is good news. Yeah as long as we're not getting a cease and desist from the office of mike laws so many people did reach out and the one person that we call it a cannibal. Cat lawyer didn't and concerning to me. Now we have a jingle mclaughlin claws my claws. He is a cat and were sorry. We're really really sorry. Sorry we're really sorry is a ball on the middle of the saw. Almost pre-empting like well let's get to the second verse. Just in case clause down at the disco. I'm going to do this whole song when we get over the line. it's done. Yeah we'll get it done really. Sorry now we call you cat man. I love it right. Most likely to eat a clue speaking catman his level and these nov. Now that's makes sense right. Because i mean you'd think like i give you look. The cast of survivor south africa philippines and you said which one of these eight a piece of paper a purposely. You wouldn't look at verner. I don't think is the that's the paper eater. But he because he's he's like okay. Well i need to get rid of this. Let me scoop it up with some water and guzzle it down i think it could go to a strategist and so i think mike is not necessarily out of the question here. that's true. I mean they thought even that if you were to look at the cost photo i think if you would have watched the whole season but cut out that one c and you say who you drive so he would not eat aclu. I think that verner broke the suit in that now like if i was to go on survivor. I'm telling you this. If i find the idol clue at any point if i get the i'm eating the clue that's iconic levels of doing stuff. I'm eating that clue om nam nam in the belly. So i'm going with someone who is a student of the game for this one someone who knows the game. They know you eat the clue. You're going to be remembered you're on that television. You're on the red at board. That's a good thing to do. So that's where i would lean. Also if mike laws eats the clue. The song then say. I'm nam nam. This clue is yummy. I put it in my tummy. There you go so there's another piece of lyric for you. Adding more and more lyrics. All i'll throw a wild card here. How about another song parody. Murray sean marisha. Because here's the thing marissa's really bad at lying away. You could hack your way around lying about. An idol clue is v. Said you could search back. There's no clue they're like. I didn't go hunting for it. Because it's in my tom tom so i could see militia and you know what she's she's very. Strong willed probably has a strong stomach as well. She might be able to bypass that having to lie on survivor clue. I mean she's also like super strong. Got a ton of muscles. You gotta keep that maintenance up and what better way to get nourishment than through eating paper thousands of them literally thousands of better ways eighty i. I don't know about that. i don't know. I'm not an expert. But i just would have also tried paper the it's taper once why why i don't remember why. I think it was a curiosity. Yeah yeah you know say dane. No no no don't put go put that on me. I don't know it was like look in middle school somewhere off. Catman the paper. One hundred sheets of paper has sixty five grams of fat. Not well what becomes now. I'm not incentivize paper anymore. It's free free. come on is true. That is an one hundred sheets of paper out. You'd be dead. Look i was gonna say we're near. Maybe as like a mosh to earn because i know that i think they know each other from the same way compared them but i do think that we do have a cat man. So enough mclaughlin mclaughlin mclaughlin and then we have the lost one in honor of survivors on africa champions. Mike and i just covered this year. We have most likely to wade underwear in. Someone's face sean. I also said yeah. Sean i think why said when you get to know me you realize reddening so that the one where i was like so outright because what david did wasn't a threat it was more so like like evidence a right exhibit a look at my underwear. The idol is in here. What's going on less so like. Hey you're better come after being shaped me dirty drawers in your face. She says they say it was the sports. Pirates season shannon does heard. Or i mean. She is the undercover blonde so undercover underwear. Her son ever with nickel logic. Here i think we all jumped at sean for raisins. i don't know of any but just fuel riot does make it. Probably him who also bloomers are also underpants of olden days so full blue mike bloom undercover bloom bloomers. Some this was word vomit would just happen. I don't know i was going somewhere with it. And then i was like wait. Undercover blonde undercover. Bloomers area and mike. For some reason. This is a good time. As i need to point out that i am indeed a contested. That's why couldn't make winner. Pack is because i'm on the season i am in so are you. Well the here's the thing. I am the idol. So i believe i pretty mad if you did that without me. Then he went on the show without me. This is a. Here's what's happened. Let's be honest. So mike is one of the jokers in the season. There are a hundred contestants contestant number sixty nine and it all makes sense to me now any himself what he said he remember seeing that whatsoever only idle and the first person that you win. Mike mike mike. What's good vehicle a segue. let's go let's get out of this one. Let's go to the next thing we got. We got to go with sean here. Even though i think people would love to see paul that wave that orange speedo in someone's face for many reasons. The champion was a paul. That paul has no. Japanese is orange. Champions loves feeders. I know what you things about a win. He loves ito's also that's underwear that's feed. Oh go go way to remember it. Speed speedo chap ito's it's sort of like sort of links together is la where at the end of this egg man. Think it's best tired all done everything we get. We are now again. Six preseason podcasts. None of them under two hours. Not one not one hours i think. By the end of this shannon. I think more hours will be devoted to this. Preseason podcast than ours will air of survivor south africa unity leads. That is that is commendable. Oh my god. I will almost there. Let's just stay on the line until that's true but we did ten and a half hours of interviews. We did two and a half hours brice which brings us up to thirteen. Got a little bit little bit over to here. Which brings us up to fifteen. There's going to be like sixteen seventeen episodes. Who who would listen to. This is my question very good question. Thank you for those of you. Who are yeah are very grateful. You mayo here. Mom my mom. I wanna say if you've made it here you tweet just. We commend you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your the true joker. You know it was going to say you're the true superfan decided like hashtag bloomers so we know you hear about that blooms and the gift you give your prior to winning was my close my class my closet now you get it jingle. Yeah thank you polka. We did entirely too much leila thought with liana. Where can people find you. What are you have going on in the bud while the people can check out. We'll first of all. Thank you so much for inviting us on for this. Chaotic dimwitted podcast honestly getaway to say dumb. A automatic was no. I'm very nice anyway. Thank you so much for having us. This was of course a pleasure. You can find me on twitter at liana r. h. a. p. speaking of my dimwitted dom july mark. Yes yes we are podcasting about the masked singer. So if you're interested in that you can check us out. We're finishing up the well. I mean by the time missus out we might have already recorded. The finale of massingir is happened. It was very exciting. And we're gonna be talking it together also drag race all-stars six is going to be starting up on the twenty fourth of june. So i'll be back with a amman and beth to do a preview for that season and then of course get into things when they air on paramount plus master. Oh yeah eating a yeah. You're the smart and you remember. You got all those questions right on my quiz. So i'll see you know you're international survivor. When it comes to labs and bunsen burners. you've got me beach once you leave that domain. The rest of the world is yours. Homemade yes i am going to be doing some coverage of the us. Season of lego is my sister. And i who is the biggest lego fan i know are going to be doing some coverage here and there were in three or four episodes covering the season and that starts june first so coming up very soon that looked like a one week lockdown. Really give me an excuse to us on the fence about. We'll be out of luck on hopefully in a week from now started. Bunch of show is that will go for much much longer than that so and also american. Tv shows unlike australian. Tv shows don't have like two dozen episodes that air three times a week so it's fairly easy to so chill and mine is well. What are you going on. Find me on social media. it's add. Please them on twitch twitch thought to be just my name as automated. Ozzy massingir is about to be done. But we're gonna talk about it. I still. I'm talking about ninety day. Fiance's happily ever after it's been a great season me and rob have been talking about that. We talked about this latest episode this earlier in the week but rob is going to be moving. So what better way for me to bring in the smart person to my mom had leaves big shoes to fill in and liana 's got more knowledge in this in this domain as well so leon it's going to be joining me for the for the couple of weeks while rob is resettling on his move which i'm very excited about. And with masked singer finishing kind of like the perfect way for us to keep party going on. And then i'm actually coming close to my one year anniversary of streaming june first. Yeah right kicking. Off the month of june the second year i'm streaming every day in the month of june and i've got i've got plans extensive plants. I will be doing that in the midst of also watching all the shows all the shows that come through so it's going to be a very fun but busy june and i can't wait. It's really what you have going on busy. May as well. As a busy june everything going on and push a recaps between down the hatch between the bloom files between miscellaneous things then over here on rha by the time this is out. I believe coming down your way. Next will be shedding gusts tonight talking once again. Yeah but surprisingly not about south african survivor of mentioned that rob has stepped away from his podcast for a couple of weeks. But we are continuing to sail the ship of outwit outplay out list. Which is our offseason survivor. Podcasts where we rank and rate arbitrary am reductive topics. It's going to be myself shannon. Gus sausage joseph. We're talking about a topic. We actually made mention today. We are ranking and rating iconic. Survivor merged tribe. Names which is going to be very fun. I don't know where smuggled would fall on the list at least worth playing for in my or above but we're going to. It's going to be a fun thing. We're gonna talk not the tribes themselves but the actual names because they really range from like beautiful talismans of the land in culture. Two merica name backwards. So we're going to be able to talk about that now. Be also a fun way for us to talk about some other survivor stuff shannon before we go back into south africa for the next perceivable future so be sure to check that out. That's going to be again. Outwit outplay outlets coming. I believe tuesday mid week before we end up going into south african survivor. I should also mentioned that. Moving forward the next podcast. You're going to hear for us. But channing can probably announce our guests but our recaps are going to have our exit press attached to them. We've been very lucky in that we've been afforded the opportunity to do exit press this season or survivor south africa immunity island. But we're going do well which has been doing with australian survivor which is put the exit interview at the end of the podcast. So we'll be talking with the first boot. Whoever that may be in our recap podcast just at the very end. Hopefully they'll just all have secret votes and at the end we'll find out who has the most votes and that was a terrible idea. Sarah it's just going to be a sitting on the line for fifteen minutes of pure silence and then we'll just use that to buffer the time at the end as our exit interview. Did we medium sized boycotts over two hours. You hours pretty much like the running running time. Yeah so if you've missed any of that again. You came in at a wig. Spot in the final uncast ola. But we did. Do the phone interview on broadcast did is local price and now this would be quoted. All thank you for getting to the end of it if you are one of the people listening to me saying this right now. I've been talking a lot of survivor. I also have with. Karen armstrong this week which will be coming out soon and maybe is out if you're listening to this about alliance management in saliva not with a good time that was not a silly as but very strategic and a lot of analysis which i thought was really good and then as my head without list you already. That next week i recap. We'll be with the great raw benchellali coming off win. From the last year we've got know of course bringing the reigning jab for the next season to pas on whose name was invoked in many of these interviews literally one of the best players of all time under the best winning games of all time. He won the most recent season he is choppy biological data connection to the season. So i think we're all really excited about that and you can find all of that on the international side or half of seed for full of all of that is also on the general. Wrap up speed. You can find you guys as well as my thing is. You might as well subscribed to in order to get. 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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Big Brother 21 Weeks 11-13 with Peridiam

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Big Brother 21 Weeks 11-13 with Peridiam

"Some game right off sounds law as long as the R H Peyton day a write off. I can sell you the our ASE Hi everybody looking to the RHA. TBN Be for the final three weeks of Big Brother One am one my name is Mike Bloom still sweeping up some confetti and watermelon shaw from the end of big brother twenty-one along thirteen weeks but we are finally here and if you days afterwards as well truly digest all the stuff that has gone down. I have assembled a fantastic panel to break down the very end of the season personally bringing somebody who you've heard in your get your buds every Saturday breaking down big brother twenty-one Liana Boris Liana how are you. I'm good. No it's funny. I was actually at the grocery store the other day and the or out of watermelon and just oh my Gosh Jackson was here like now that I know he's out of the house who's like he came and he bought all the watermelon with his half a million dollar winnings. That was my wreaking havoc on Kroger's across the country Buddy Watch out. We are so excited to have our guest here. This is the first summer having him on for big brother proper. He was on survivor earlier on in edge of extinction. I would call him the best survivor and big brother Youtuber bird there is out there his handle is parade welcome back to the BNB how you doing thank you so much Mike for letting me on this podcast inviting me on on for my this is my third time now with HP second time with the I was GONNA quickly. Say Bouncing off of your watermelon store Ileana. I I don't remember the last time I've had watermelon or ever be so relevant in my day to day week to week living situation just having the word and just picturing it seemed Jackson eat them on the live feeds nonstop so actually went out when I was at the grocery store about three weeks ago and I bought myself a watermelon which I don't really understand why it was just there I was walking around in the aisle and there was a watermelon right there so I'm going to buy that and I'm GonNa crack it open mostly because at the time that was when that was when things were going well l. for that for some the cliff Nicole Jackson I was really on. I was behind Jackson's okay with him. I was actually phone pretty good about considering where we started but then I don't know what I forgot about the watermelon it's just been sitting there and then all of a sudden it became really messy at the final five and then the next thing you know I have not I had just had neglected the watermelon altogether and it's been sitting there on my counter top for about a month now and it's really like the story of Big Brother Twenty one for me. Were just was a roller coaster emotion all centered on one little watermelon and that's it yeah I was GonNa say that's actually a pretty good analogy especially for the the game too. It was like okay. You're feeling really good and it's like oh no. I was looking out of the other day I was like I wonder what it looked like just like a sledgehammer to it for the heck of it. I don't know this led chamber could represent. I don't know certain comments that Julie Chen might use right and just smash things open completely the play where you make a similar face to Ah Jackson Dan when he walked out of the Big Brother House five hundred thousand dollars richer put at what cost you got a gallagher it up also though you might just want to throw the whole thing away. I don't know how long watermelons last but I don't know anything about them so it's GonNa cool is this good and my wife was like I think it's still oh good right but she has no idea either and even like watermelon so I don't know okay. It says it says the shelf life watermelon this pretty long about three to four weeks when it's when picked off the vine they got along well. This is also a mini watermelon smaller different. It's like it's like it's what zing embodies the baby's bought watermelon watermelon yeah. That's so cute. I don't know I don't know considering our canonizing but I don't know what that's GonNa mean. Oh yeah that's actually very true. I don't think you want to get involved in these sort of zing by comparison so yeah maybe just toss. It would probably be the safest option so a lot has happened. Even since we were on last with as Caribbeam said last time we were on we were looking down the barrel of a really intriguing final five though Nicole and cliff I do no wrong. They were riding high in fact Leon and I got to not only meet sit next to each other. During what I would say is probably one of the most energetic addic- epic big brother episodes ever in terms of how live at the vote was up until that point and we watch things kind of just slowly roll off countertop from then on culminating in a win from Jackson making with very belated congratulations him holly for second place and of course coal anthony in one of the most I would say overwhelming fan favorite votes to the point where Julie Chen evening quantifies it. I'm really intrigued to get all of our thoughts about the season especially if she podium since I know you're arranging big brother twenty one season and review. Let me just throw out a question and get all of your responses to is big brother twenty-one the weirdest modern season big brother I would say personally I was thinking back. I would modern big brother or consider. Maybe like sixteen onward. Give or take and I would say yeah. I think it is. I just think the whole dichotomy of the jury versus the poster how it's almost split right at the middle middle with day forty four and then just there's just a lot of mixed emotions here where I think I know I'm feeling and then all of a sudden somebody else walks into the room and I'm like I don't know about this anymore and it just as a weird mess of all kinds of emotional Mike. I'm happy that make one but also like Ooh but I'm really not that happy sometimes and I'm like I love Nicole. I'm glad that she's received support and then all of a sudden like ooh but she won she won part two almost think she probably would have been the winner. I think she taking it but anyway lawn mixed emotions. I think it might be the weirdest I think that's a really good way to describe it in terms of the mixed emotions because especially with Jackson and seeing the reaction to Jackson's win and of course with all of the sort of racial comments that were discussed at the finale and of course happened during the season just so much controversy where I feel so torn where I can appreciate Jackson's game play but also he's done a lot out of horrible things and you have like crazy characters throughout this whole season but I'm still sort of torn about so yeah maybe that translates into weirdest artist. The other answer I was GonNa give actually was sixteen but that's only because the battle of the block was so stupid and I don't know to me that makes it weird but but yeah I think really the dichotomy between all of the different events that happened on this season has to make it weird right. It was all over the place. It feels like yeah. That's the thing is that actually on the note about of lock. I would say that almost the consistency of the bowel the block makes it less weird because big brother twenty one the first three weeks Kim combat like okay. This makes sense. We're GONNA end when there are four people laughed and then someone's GonNa come back into the game and we waited a couple of weeks okay. There's a field trip. Okay okay sure this will sort of be like a way to vote people who don't like right so next week must be something right no okay. I guess we're done with the twist we what is prank thank week. What is this person do? Why are we voting on this okay? When's the double eviction okay? It's not happening to later and then we get extended weeks of the vinyl. Live haven't find four there was just so much on stuff going on. I can't say I'm particularly mad at all because I think it provided some entertaining moments but I mean you're both of your points. Look no further than the art of Jackson Mickey. which was you know you pretty you know universally reviled the first month of the game gets separated with holly leave from the rest of his alliance and become a bit of an underdog because he's against someone like Christie who the audience is turning against and joining a Nicole who people like so he becomes a bit of a rude mutable person then he turns against them and ends up getting rid uplift Nicole and he becomes hated again by the time is blocking that house especially bringing stuff like Eliana? I know we got your opinions on the finale with regards to them addressing not even just accidents comments but allow the general itchiness of that pre Jerry pretty me as someone who has studied. I mean you just did to videos about finale in terms of best and worst jerry speeches. What did you make of the way this? This finale was struck in particular wanted to quickly mention what you were talking about with. The whole structure was really unique for this season and I think it really started once. I'd say the post story started. My theory was that all of this this whole bowl just the domino effect. I think started with when Jack got a victim. I I think the producers looser kind of happy they kind of I mean this is just all tinfoil theory. I don't even know anything about this but I imagine given Jack was easily the most controversial person and I think probably the biggest Heynen thorn in their side for the producers. My theory is that they might have just said you know. Maybe we don't do a battle back. I don't know if they produce this so far ahead that day for sure or had a battle back locked in a battle back after the first four. That's usually what it's been pretty pretty unique that they have like everyone sort of been like maybe in the last few years and we're like no more battle bax pleased like it's just a little too much last year and big brother twenties didn't work like maybe they're listening or maybe in this case is just Jack was so bad that he like inspired inspired them to not do something that I have not worked in the first place and then it just sort of created a weird series of events where America's field trip was strange because it felt very reactionary if like a slap on the wrist and it was more like okay. Let's punish the people that we don't like but what if it's a cast of really likable people where we don't want anyone if you know hypothetically not that that's realistic but what if like what if it's a bunch of people at all we really want to see wanting this to happen so they're punishing them. Maybe this like a reaction and they're not letting they're not giving Jackie chance to get back and at the same time earlier punishing them with this weird twist and they sort of a really cool and the twist for a while they cooled down it seemed and like I think based on my memory and then on the prankster showed up which is like a a a weaker version of the packer from last year ultimately and then like the whole ending comp the whole schedule was pretty bizarre with the final four final three just I couldn't predict it and actually preferred it that way. I liked being unpredictable in that sense because I think that big brother has become very predictable in the modern era at least and maybe just in general going all the way back to the earlier seasons you can kind of see there's very much a pattern and the same like every week the houseguests in this season on the live feeds. They're just like I know exactly they can already tell what cops coming and they already know like most of the best strategies for every single comp so it was kind of refreshing to be like they're on the life is like Wednesday saddleback and they're all talking about. Everybody know battle back okay well. This has got to come up when it's out. There's this like why is there. This endurance at the final four that's unusual and so for me is is a super fan. I was totally it was sort of expect the unexpected I was expecting the expected and then it totally superseded tatum expectations which is very unusual for the last few years of big brother know you're expected to expect the unexpected I believe the chicken Georgia's jockeying for the Coupe de dookie or not and then as far as the finale went yeah that was tom view a little bit. I was half and half like I understood that there were there was good that they were responding into a lot of the criticism that were happening in the pre jerry particularly in the pre Jerry and I liked that I liked that there was emphasis on that to an extent. I still think that they're very rush the finales I don't like it even though I was a little bit bored watching Mickey and Holly in the final two because I felt like it was a foregone conclusion. I thought it was going to win. If that was the case and initially it was going back and forth that final week in my mind like I think hall he's got I think he's a he's got it and then by the finale night I was like I think Mickey has this. I Ah actually told my wife I guess the votes and I got them right so I was happy with that although also predictable but ultimately I think it. I think that the finales need just a little bit more time for some reason I think that they need to like part. Two out of it. They already part one. which was that was good and that's what I was hoping hoping they would do because I think there was in the Big Brother Twenty? It's always been in the family they start with part one or maybe I'm confusing they kick off art one usually when the recap of the the the recap episode on the recast started it but then yeah they pretty much do one center and I totally agree I totally Ho- sign putting parts one one an two in the Sunday up in might make you know like in this case for instance physically gives fans no hope for an old going to the end since you would know what Jackson and holly going par-three but that being said wouldn't have Julie Chen essentially doing hurry up offense sprout a you know an hour and a half period yeah. I think think that having it I just I'm looking at the older seasons a lot where it's a little bit more. There's more time to digest what's going on and I enjoy watching being the final to sort of. I Dunno mingle for a little bit more being able to explain their games a little bit more. I don't know of Hollywood benefit more from that if it would have made the final two more interesting I thought it was alright like I thought that their Jerry Cuny performances is Russia's. They were thought they actually both did pretty well. I wasn't too. I was like trying to see what would I put them in the top five or bottom financing now I wouldn't put them in either. I think they're both somewhere in the middle or even upper half of as far as overall performances go and a lot of did some meat to what they were saying. I think actually Hawley was able to and from my from where I was standing. I was like I think I don't think she played that as good of a game and she was saying but I was totally buying what she was saying. I was almost like maybe I would have voted for or then but yeah just the finale was okay for me. I'd say it was like it was progress kind of felt like on some levels it was good. I liked not having having Parwana nate. I wish I was out of two. Maybe we'll just jump right to part three. I wish there was more time for the final two to talk more and then as far as the the mini reunion with the preachers it definitely yeah the spotlight preachers which is unique it usually doesn't they don't get as much time I think but I wish there was more time to talk about that stuff and less time on it. Just felt really rushed. The whole thing felt very rush to me and I wish I know there was probably getting like five six seven minutes to talk talk about but I kind of wanted more wanted a little bit more of a conversation going and just one off liners back and I think in comparison listen to previous years. It definitely felt less rushed to me but that being said I mean I completely co-sign the the idea of wanting more time with the final a two just because I always feel like now that we've moved to this live I mean I guess it's been several years now since big brother eleven but this live jury questioning format I feel like is never ver- is satisfying as giving the players a little bit more time to really truly explain their games so yeah I mean I would agree with you on that point. I would say looking at Jackson in Holly Apartments. I agree that I think they both did a pretty solid job. I've very quickly rising all the survivor that I've been watching that like final speeches ages slash jury performances or one of the most intriguing thing for me to watch any reality show and I feel like I mean the past couple of years and you had people like Paul in Tyler make pretty glaring hiring errors in their jury despite the Games that they might be playing. It didn't really seem to be the case here. That being said you know holly was reticent to tell me that she she doesn't really believe anything really changed anybody's minds in that mullet but I will say when it comes to trying to separate yourself from the person that everyone is looking with the entire hire time. I thought she created an okay narrative. I do agree that. I think you know maybe maybe it wasn't exactly rush felt Russia's because Julie giving us time limits by being like Oh holly only have thirty seconds or oh okay yeah. Oh David sorry you can't talk about you. Know implicit bias anymore. We had to go to this question. Yeah I think a part of it was probably a Hollywood talking a lot so for me I was I think I was caught off guard by what she was saying. Because I was interested in hearing more and then it was lamenting that this was the new modern it's been around for the last ten years and that she doesn't have more time 'cause I was interested to see where she was going with a lot of it because I think she was doing she was hitting a lot of the notes that I was noticing when I was looking at all the best approaches to the jury and how these final two and big brother have been handling especially since big brother eleven with the modern format moving forward forward and I noticed that a lot of the best ones tend to have like a couple of really strong quixote they just hook the jury with one or two lines that really like slammed down the gavel Alec this is is why you should vote for me and I thought Hollywood doing a pretty good job at presenting herself and building her case up with this euphemisms even the sniper and she explained her what she was strong with the social game and creating relationships early on it's a kind of checks a Lotta linked up buzzwords that I think a lot of juries do like to hear I wish she probably she's still tried to maintain connection with Mickey. It was a little too strong. She could have done more to go. Make is clearly getting shaken up. As the Cuny it was going on and he was trying his best to to stay as composers he was when he went into it but I think he was getting rattled kept going and I really really wanted her and I was like a young put on twitter was like go for the jugular holly like you need a crush and put your foot your foot on his throat and just get the five hundred thousand dollars. Make them move and then tomorrow you can apologize to to him. I mean I don't know what's going to happen with them in the future but you walk out with five hundred thousand dollars richer that's that's what she wants. I thought Holly did I was more impressed with hers. I'm probably because I had low expectations yeah. I wish I kind of wish one more time. She kept going on going on now. She kept going on and I waste Brehm. I told you we had one minute. During our we recorded yeah it was really I was intrigued by her speech. I wish they'd kept going and it was just interesting to hear a little aggravating here. Julie aren't hall you. GotTa Stop Okay. Stop like we're going to the next person. It's like all right no actually Julie in that moment when she was you're talking about okay so we have. We don't have any time left. Please wrap it up but it felt like she was spending so much time telling them they didn't have time it reminded me of happily from parks and recreation during indicate where I have an update on your time remaining and you have ten seconds remaining on your time that is left and right now. We have an update on your time. The update is you have no time actually takes takes the five to ten seconds yeah well. We can certainly get into a lot of stuff that happened not only in the Finale Anneli but during the final five onwards as well as we started here with our various segments and games. Let's start by finishing off our pre season season prediction only five houseguests left and waited here to talk about how Leon and I thought they would do. We actually have comic Book Names Bill Off of now compare. I don't think any of them measured up to Hashtag horse but you know what I manage dream the letter with Tommy. How did you think Hami was going to do seem to be pretty high on him similar yeah so mike sitting next to each other at the live show whispered over it was like spoiler alert? Tommy was my winter pick so spoiler alert Tommy as I winner pick what I wrote about him that he would be most likely to throw calms early will run the game behind the scenes and we'll strongly benefit from his relationship with Christie and for his bb comic. I had the tiny dancer in parentheses. Hold me closer. Oh no well I think that he nick would probably have the opposite message imparted to him and in that conversation Liana whispered that Tommy was his her winner. I was backed me to the second big brother season in a row on and I have had the same winner pig who needs to get some for Big Brother Twenty we had Tyler Oh nice looking okay track record. I think we've done better. It's a smaller sample size. I think we've done better with big big brother survivor but so I said the Tommy was going to win at least or competition where he drops into a split or a toe tap and celebration uh-huh. I said his fans will be the most annoying on twitter due to his Broadway following a said Hill succeed in strategy big Italian meals to make everyone fat and I said he'd freak out the most when Jeff Slash Rachel slash polls slash slash whoever comes into the house guest or host a competition and his superhero we're here. Oh name was either Broadway Bronco or Tommy the Mommy that just based on rhyming or do you think that was motivated by something. Oh I think it was remember he wanted. He wanted to be the house. That was the strategy going in okay yeah. Well imagine him in like a Strega. No now like you know like a head wrapped happen like early gray hair. I could see it happening. I see all right so it's your call which one of our two winner was the more accurate when Tommy also also that when I was looking at the winner picks I also had Tommy is going in so you guys is Irma similar company here and also picked Tyler from Big Brother Twenty so we are all on the same page potty go I will say that I was a little bit more obsessed zest with with LAWA's. I liked what you said. You pretty much said exactly what I was thinking if I was to do what if I was taking part in writing pre jury stuff I are pre-season stuff. I think I would have written exactly what you said. His his comic was the Flash Mobster which sounded pretty similar to what you had and yeah. I'M GONNA give it to you Liana. It's all right. Let's move on to the returning did not come through in a battle back did come through in a buyback. He was able to survive our oldest house guests. This is Dan Mr Cliff hog the hog father also with the fear. I had him making the jury. I said he would be nominated the first week but he survived since people feel they could use him as a pawn. I said he'd wipe out a bunch during competitions a said he'd be the most game to make pardons in the diary room and I said he'd make the top three for America's favorite player and a superhero name was oil baron. You wrote title lot for cliff. Did you just feel like there was so much to work with their yeah I think I think that I think he feels a certain archetype. uh-huh in big brother that you know you have a lot of work with in terms of like they're going to do a lot with him no matter how long he last and I I don't know I just got a certain impression per minute and appears people did as well considering that they have them around for as long as they did yeah yeah he definitely stood out as amongst this cast. I think so there's definitely work with okay so I was a little no less optimistic about cliffs chances so I actually had jury. I said that he will be a fan favourite for the few weeks. He's on the show. We'll talk talk about wanting to win competitions but won't be able to win. Competitions will be in alliance with lovie. I don't know why I thought that but I'm happy about that one and then. DD comic name was boss Hog because I'm creative turning him into a weird like furry combination with groundhog yeah that was so weird. I didn't really understand the connections. It says if you see his shadow run was that on on the comic back that was actually that was the line on that weird does that have to do with the groundhog as Shannon. No I know I know that but I just didn't know if there's any other association with cliff specifically also his last name is two GS and the only just one g obviously it's crown entitlement better for you include Jeez there. They didn't even put a second gene the NOPE. It's just one g looking at it anyway. It's interesting because technically cliff breath was both pre jetty and poster. That's exactly you guys kind of divided and conquered without one. You did get that. He was in an alliance with lovie which was right. He was in the top three America's favorite player. It was very it was very light. I think he might have been at his most light up until he got busted with these cliff notes so oh early on he was definitely fan favorite. I would think I'm going to give it to Mike in this. I think you've made more I agree with more of what you had to say there and he didn't go quite the distance almost almost one the season so you didn't win competitions. I don't think he was going to be able to so it'll be very interesting to see both how all passing and the contestants look at the older man archetype now that someone is sort of I guess broken the curse and like deer point not even May Afar but you know was a couple moves away from nearly winning the game you know I feel like seven Kevin Brother. One thousand nine hundred certainly went the distance. I don't know if he necessarily had the wherewithal actually get the win in at the end but I wonder if that's GonNa change you know if the knock on wood today CASS older people or people say let's get this person out quickly because they might pull it out at the end. It might be less trusting 'cause I was his key. His keep focal point that strategy was you've got to trust me. I'm the old guy and everyone did and it costs a lot but I mean he was also affected preacher so he's back because he e said that competition but yeah he was evicted preachers. It's just like remember them. Oh all right well. Let's move on to our Lord and Savior our Queen Nicole Anthony Leon. How did you think that okay so I said technical would make the jury and said that she will channel Rockstar on the feeds she will also do arts and crafts projects in parenthesis assist Pegasus drawings? She will get voted out sixth place. I don't know why I was so specific had super super specific. You went very like Mike you know a super weird and then her. BB Comic was the Pegasus early so I had I was less bullish on on four or less Unicorn. I had her going out and read jury. Actually wrote literally goes out in the in the Bronx spot in a similar manner so totally quirky underestimated girl who just happens to get nominated and maybe due to other people are one other person on the block that can be more useful than her gets it almost like what when cliff ended up getting victory over her exact reasoning I said Gee be part of a few worke antics that weird out the other houseguests said she'd wear at least he's one costume that she that incorporates in her regular wardrobe and she does a lot of singing on the feeds and her superhero name is high now the toddler Tamer Tamer all 'cause she's a kindergarten. Teacher is a preschool AK. Yes okay that makes sense yeah. It was interesting interesting called. A nickel losses was be comic name. Maybe I'm thinking for Instagram Davis Strong Island from strong island on it so you might Batman not too far off. I would probably give I'm going to give this one to Liana simply because i Nicole went much further and she I wouldn't say she was much of a Rockstar type She didn't really have any costumes that she incorporated into her outfits. I don't think she did arts and crafts. That was one for big things that was like one of the biggest things don't all our wacky arts and crafts now swimming around with those so I'm GonNa give it to the on a two one yeah I I don't I remember not feeling hi Nicole going into the season. I don't think a lot of people did I mean draft right and I think that that that was a feeling I think that was shared by by a lot of people so it's actually really interesting to see her trajectory over the course of the season and especially to see her become a fan favourite and of course you know when America's the player in the end. It's kind of a really cool almost success story. I guess Nicole in the preseason. I didn't have very high sort of like Dr like the Bronco and I mean I'm looking at jokers update. She was at the bottom of the poll in the preseason to one point so I don't think a lot of us like a lot of people didn't have a a highly at that. I don't think it was I remember she said like she was not a big fan of bullying but then she was like my number one favorite Paul I think that's also the the lock my parents it's been saying like we Nicole turn out to be like the complete opposite personality of that but I feel like when you're that and that's one of only if you sound from someone you're like you're a little unhinged. I don't know how you'll do in the house and then she told the story she told the story I think postseason I don't actually was founded way more charming because I in your sandwich better and I was like wow that's how it works. Isn't it yeah it was she wouldn't show or parents like wouldn't tell her what's in the bag or something and she still doesn't know what's in the bags. I'm really hoping that Teheran Keren can really get to the bottom of that. 'cause I really WanNa know that's the that's the one thing we need right. Let's move on to you are runner up here Holly Allen Thirty one wyoming and see how she did so I had holly making finale. I said that Hollywood get nominated at least three times. I said she did a segment about ranch facts where she talked about her upbringing. I said she'd win at least one H H. I said that she'd be the first lever current job when the season it remains to be seen her superhero name was ranch hand parentheses double entendre Andrea because you'll also get covered in ranch during a salad inspired Endurance Hgh oh man that's a that actually wait didn't didn't that happened happen because of cliffs the tossing salad before the wife joke. Oh why husband bowl catching. They got salad tossed right did she. She Give Ranch Board on my I don't think so she could have been ranch sauce. The close the most accurate prediction all season okay so I had holly making jury I said that she will form an alliance with cat and Christie that alliance will be completely ineffective will will go in a fiction because she's a good boring consensus boot and I had her. BB comic name as the Safari Cevantes. I think I'm going to give it to we had a really strong point. The right other ran out of the gate. Mike Mike I'm GONNA give it to you for just you Patriot going into the finale which is pretty good she she was there she she was a bit of an insignificant character throughout at the season so I could have seen her going out on double diction and some alternate universe she maybe even could've I guess if say Tommy on the double at the final six and Jackson won the veto so maybe either yeah I'm GonNa give it to to Mike with this. One all right. It's all tied up as we move into the one and only Jackson in Mickey Martin DB winner obviously neither mind nor Leon nor ready oems winner but Liana. How did you feel Jackson would do take sorry I had Jackson making the jury I said that he will be Winston two point Oh and his intro packages and will kiss his gun? He will let paranoiac get to him in his attempts to build a big Alliance Aka see Devon for BBC sixteen will be a very emotional player and make a lot of emotional decisions and his bb comic name is hip to be square so Liana. You and I are on such the same page because I also had him going Jerry. I also wrote he gets the Winston Award or most intense stare and pitching skills. I said he gets nominated for being perceived as physical even though he hasn't actually won anything and I said a superhero name would be tracks in but it's just him running. I also imagine him an attract suit also for some reason in this comic so between the two of you guys are pretty similar. This is really coming down to the wire here. We both thought Jackson was so similar to Winston I mean he did he did he did a gun in his intro. Oh you know like he was going to be that guy. I feel like he was more parent as like who Winston was once after episode whereas in the preseason Winston I think I just remember everyone was so blindsided by all that making it was a little bit more predictable to me. He kind of played what I thought he would do and he. He didn't really deter too much. You definitely wouldn't say wasn't unless he's definitely wasn't emotional. He had some moments where his emotional but I feel like he was definitely more stone cold than most of the people this season so Kosh on just cut the point now offer something Dr Jackson Mickey Give One to Jackson won one Jackson the awesome let's do it. I'll take Jackson you want McGee B Jackson and I'll take the Mickey Point here congratulations to the both of us everybody well it kind of makes sense also like we had the same winter pick kind of in lockstep so well so. I think this is a fair room. We've been we've been divergent on survivors is it just seems to be our trend that survivor wrong completely separate pages over totally in the same book Airway uh-huh. Didn't we both have Morgan as our winner for yes there. was that one time that we have more. I think that was sort of our curse that we're like okay. We're done being on the same page now. We're going completely different directions this morning. She was actually a pretty underrated. I remember I made a joke okay. One of my videos the week before she got voted out where I made my the last by used in the video the week before her elimination was of Morgan from getting being voted out and I ended the video with that because I was joking about her getting Jacob gave her the advantage for the information and she voted out I I joked about it and then all of a sudden shut voted out the next week and I was just like oh my gosh curse all Morgan dollars y out. She'll so man man before we move onto more fun game. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. Let's keep on keeping on okay so I think it was really fun to see everybody's trajectories over the course of the season and so we're going to sort sort of stick in a similar theme I WanNa talk about the final part of h competition and the little videos of the jury during this time so I know most people were focused on what was being said in the video. I was just watching weird stuff. That was happening in the background. So Oh i WanNa talk about. Just you know some of the things that were. Maybe a little behind the scenes if you will during these videos so the way this is is GonNa work is I'm going to essentially ask a question that has a numerical answer and we'll just go back and forth and we'll do it where you each like pick a number so honor system and then whoever is closest without going over just whoever's closest. We'll get tiebreaker exactly all right so let's just go ahead and dig right into this so this is all about hats video so how many pictures of Brett were behind cat in her video so yeah so each of you can think of a number and then Mike when you're ready. We'll start with you all right. I'm going to say they feel like there. Were three things behind her but I don't think Brett was all the pictures I'm pretty sure one of them was like a heart that she'd she'd made him one of those jury instagram things and not the head that she ripped off somebody. I can't remember at this point. I'm going to say there was. I'm GONNA say there. Were two pretty. What do you think okay so we allow the same answer to? If that's what you put down okay okay I was thinking too. I remember seeing him doing his jury or when he was on the block and he was doing that weird speech where he started yelling. I remember seeing that. I don't know if there was two more. I'm was one of the left. I think there was one on the right so I think I'm going to stick with two who I don't remember what the second one was but I do remember seeing him doing that weird yell where he was standing up during his speech so we're starting off much like holly versus Jackson in an in this competition. You both get correct so yes. There were two pictures of Brett and Mike you're right. The other one was the heart I like cat. Hearts Brett sign that was in the background okay so let's move on Jack's video so I talked about this on the finale podcast but I was obsessed obsessed with the fact that production was like blowing wind at Jeff and it wasn't in a sexy way Jason Momoa type way no it was like sideways ways blowing his hair in front of his face. which I thought was so bizarre so the question here is how many times did Jack push hair out of his face? During hiring is like a twenty second video okay so I was thinking like what would you do because I do. Recall Jacks just is being hidden in a forest and just not having a fan blow the right way just like so it's just a weird too because like you put him in at a windy forest. Why those forests are the most Lindy they're basically hurricanes can be formed their unifrance trains? Thanks Okay Pretty. What do you think boy? I'll say three yeah. I'm a bit more bullish. I'M GONNA go with five times Dong the hair Tussin okay so pretty on the three was correct so you get a point ain't here blooming the money I did. I did think it was much more because I just remember him constantly doing it apparently so oh the next question is about Tommy's video so this was super weird because he wasn't writing a letter which the just like staring off into the distance him weirdly fantasizing about the season making some uncomfortable facial expressions so that was very odd production choice of this question is about what percent of the time was Tommy's is closed as he fantasized sized about the season during this video so again so anywhere glance a percent of the amount of time so I'll give you guys a second about okay. Mikey will kick this off all right. I'M GONNA go with Miko with mercy thirty percents. I feel like Tommy's someone who used dramatic is not going to have his eyes close most time he wants to be big inexpressive so I'm going to be a bit conservative and say his is closed only thirty percent. I think so if it's whoever's closer without going over or just too close okay. I'm GonNa say twenty. I I think it might be even less even though he's definitely somebody I remember seeing that I was just like what is what is this is. I think that was what encouraged me to start tweeting tweet out that I would rather get evicted pre jury than have to do this. I I'd have to make the finale in the final three or go pre jury because I cannot be in this. These videos does so. I'm going to say twenty five percent but I think it could very well be higher. Would you rather lose and have to be a part of these weird jury things would you rather win and not have to uh-huh oh boy. I will go in third if they'd asked. I'll I'll go to UH. That's sweet smart of you. You definitely missed it so you. You don't have these weird videos so mike you work closer. It was actually thirty six percent of the time yes so so you're both pretty close so given the range that is that might be the most useless trivia I will ever know. I'm very I'm very happy to know. I mean you know there are times. When when I'm putting together games right take a step back what ridiculousness am I doing right now me sitting on my phone timing? Tommy's Oh Ikhlas is okay so the oil yeah I wanted this. I appreciate you doing that. This is stuff that I'm here for all right. Let's move onto the next question which is also pretty silly. This is about Cisse's video. How many any chickens were behind this in her video so I do watch this multiple times to try to figure it out because sometimes the chickens go in and out of frame so I picked the frame when there were the most chicken that I would see? I don't know if that helps or hurts. The what was the maximum capacity of chickens on the screen right were they different chickens or whether the same chicken and it just happened to be walking back there. They were definitely different so this is independent distinct. Thanks so in general how many distinct chickens walked behind system the background. I think that's what I want to know that we're not counting her. As a know. Your costume does not count also I feel horrible that everyone else do wearing regular clothes and she had to Kim chicken it back. It's all they know about her all right so we'll I'll start with you. What do you think the chickens and the details I appreciate that she was the only one there in the costume? It was the most memorable thing she going for. I think I would say there. Were Gosh I. I'll say six okay Mike. What do you think I'm going to try to count my or there on screen? I'm going to go with four okay so there were thirteen so is like four when I I watched it four four or five or something like that I barely remember to bring any says the chickens in three different areas of her videos so there's like some in the foreground around some sort of middle and like some way in the background like by the abandoned cabin or whatever she was sitting in front of but yeah there were thirteen so this point goes to teen eighteen that must've been really fun stock footage that someone had to fines ends of for this for sure okay so our next question is about Christie's video how many inflatable pool toys boys are in the background of her video. So Mike we will start with you are well. I depending on the same numbers chickens check into might be like twenty-five Christie is that she was doing very nice. Yoko old post which is interesting is like like you forget how she was sort of like this. This very boutique owner I mean the season and that's regret loss amongst all the other Christie stuff that happened manifest aside. I'm municipal. I'll say four I'll say five five pool toys behind I yeah she's doing her yoga. Okay pretty money aside legit. I don't remember there being any I remember there. She didn't like a campground. I think doing the Yoga Pool Toy Gosh so mike. Would you see said I five. Is it five all right. I'll just say I'm going to say four go lower okay so there was only one so pretty and you get the point here. I originally went in thinking all do how many are in the background because I also all I remembered was the tent as I was watching I was is that a giant inflatable killer whale you you know like one of the ones that the handles that you can ride in the pool so as soon as I saw that I was like well that's super weird. So of course I have to make question okay so congratulations pretty Amir the winner of this quiz on the other ones. I had tried to come up with ones for like Nick Super Boring. He was just sitting in front of a campfires. There is nothing exciting there. Oh surprise surprise did not have an exciting video that was forcing them to bring out its personnel. Exactly the most interesting thing I could come up with was how many pockets next shirt half it has one so dumb. It's like okay never mind. I won't everybody'll just do a subset of people muscle essel like that at cliffs. was I mean it's it's really interesting. They brought the memory wall stuff but I kind of felt that everyone else was like this happened to me was like my picture was below average on the on the memory wall like eating it along the game. Even some conditions like wore glasses or something or centuries contract dragged lasted like basically what you're making people play guests who instead of talking about what you did at the gave you know it's an unfortunate yeah which was so silly because he had a lot of game related things that he did so yeah very very odd much more than a thirteen chickens yeah oh man that was uh funny all right so I know the last time you were here. You surprised us with a game and we are living up chicken. George won thirteen chicken relatives than we are expected to hunt expect a year. I believe you have brought that game back for us. Big Brother Style I did yes of course of course I had so much fun doing it. Last time I arrive edge of extinction. I tried to put together. This family feud you'd fast money game and I thought it was really good actually really enjoyed it a lot. I think you guys so. I thought you know what let's do it again. Let's do it one more time and that happened. Actually before the season ended now we have one with the season over so we have cumulative opinion the Agra opinion of all of my youtube channel followers that responded and I went ahead. I asked on my Youtube Channel for People's answers to questions about big brother twenty one. I pulled their answers took the first one hundred that responded bonded over about about nine hundred total right now and I decided to try and put them into this family feud fast money game so I can explain the rules or shy explain the rules I yearn for those that are uninitiated that are we're too busy checking out big brother all summer that they environ watching their ABC family game night and Harvey on the family so basically in the family feud fast money game or shall we say the big brother fast spewed. This is going to have five questions asked you to both Mike and Liana separately there one is GonNa step away from the microphone on headphones or you don't have enough to do. I'M GONNA ask five questions to each of them. Their objective is to try to find the most popular answer that was given to me from my youtube follower so for example. If I said what who is your favorite player this season they're trying to figure out who was my youtube channel favorite player season. They want to figure out the number one and eventually number two two answers that will accrue points or their answers the pick the more popular answers they'll get more points. The objective is to get to two hundred total points between both both Michelina and last time we did this was the edge of extinction and you guys narrowly beat the game you were very. I don't know if you guys remember you. Were really close to not beating it. Do you remember how close it was down to like the last question and we barely got over the edge. It did yeah it was the last it question the last answer you guys out of two hundred points at two hundred and three points so that was I was I was I I remember thinking like I have no idea this could be completely broken. This game could be completely imbalanced and it'll be like incredibly hard to find like incredible guys to win or it could be like the easiest the thing in the world. I don't know both happy to see that it was sort of the best of both worlds. I think it was pretty difficult but also good enough that you guys you guys excelled that image to beat it so we'll soon happens this time. It was GONNA say I don't have high hopes for the version. We'll see I'm here to play well. I'll step away I so I'll lightly on ago because I think I think I went first last time suggested me in the chat when you're ready to have me back. I'M GONNA go listen to my h headphones dance around all right all right so Liana with Mike offstage. I'm going to ask you five questions. We'll have about about twenty seconds the timing for the most part if you can't think of an answer would be incredibly surprised by you can say pass and if you can come up with two hundred points after the both of you go. You'll get that confetti on your shoulders. All right thing are open twenty seconds on the proverbial Clark Doc all right so question number one is going to be named the player Youtube said was their favourite for big brother's gone okay name. The Big Brother twenty-one twist Youtube said was their favourite the field trip other than Jackson. Tell me the player Youtube said Ed played the best game this season Tommy Okay on a scale from one to ten giving the score youtube rated big brother twenty-one sex lastly named the Big Brother Twenty one player Youtube believes is most likely to return for an all-star to all right right all right. Let's let's bring Mike Back. I guess see us. This is again recreate some of the magic from survivor There's there's no matter well so you can stick around for this since you're near the questions and all that sounds good okay so Mike Leon I just went. We'll reveal. Both you guys his answers. After you both go so ready to go mike we're going to give you about twenty five seconds on the clock proverbial clock half a net. I'm ready to go all right so question number one name the player Youtube said was their favourite for big brother. twenty-one Nicole need other answer cliff okay name the big brother twenty-one twist that Youtube said was their favorite okay other than Jackson. Tell tell me the player Youtube said played the best game this season army in other answer Nicole okay on a scale from one the ten Gimme the score at a Youtube rated big brother twenty one six in other answer seven last question a name the Big Brother Twenty player Youtube believes is most likely to return for aid all-stars to Christie all right there you go. I've answered a lot of us. I'm GonNa wants to know what it is drinking the same Kool. Apparently I think it was the same aim flavor that Paul made in the house. lets us an adjective to describe this tall. No can you describe a noun she that she said physical or unless you see she used a noun to describe him. I loved her and she was like a noun. As a person placer thing bang great jobs says okay so we can sort of just tabulate the points as we go along with these questions and I'll reveal both your answers for each question one through five I do the math and I figured out that well we'll go through. These question and I'll let you know what my thoughts. I was trying to make sure that the game was broken or impossible to win at the same time. I didn't WanNa make it so easy that you guys would win by like I dunno question too so okay so for question number one an wise named the player Youtube said was their favor for big brother twenty-one Eliana you said Nicole and Mike did you send a call or is it and I thought I said Yeah. I figured that would be the case so Nicole was in fact the number one. The answer not surprised she was worth forty one points which is an insane amount mathematically. You WanNa get about forty points for a question so you've already the everything else. After this is gravy cliff was the number three answer was worth twelve points what you no not number two Kenny was number one two three six and I was GonNa ask do you think would be number two if it wasn't Nicole or cliff maybe Christie if they're going for like the train wreck factor of at all nope Christine actually read after Chemi Tommy nope Thomas or after I know right. I have no idea so I'll say no obese Lisa five people didn't get a single mention sadly and over he was one of them will auntie and the other four were Jack Sisson so the number to just does not know Jesse was she got one person right this is it is a cat. It's not cat was Richard Tommy and number five on the whole rock I can't I can't believe this. This is crazy so pretty. Much three is literally only three people I think left that you haven't said one of them was the first David it's not David the other two. Were the final two it. It was Jackson Jackson number two thirteen craziest since you did this survey like right after the season right I did. I did it over this past weekend. How you would think of it in the finale given how much people were like? Yes we got our pound of flesh from Jackson. Maybe they were happy happy about painting such a negative light. I think I think the only community there are some Jackson's Tigers who weren't fully one in one sync with what was shown on the live feeds versus the episodes so for them. They probably were a little bit blindsided. Maybe they feel bad for Jackson or something. Maybe they WANNA forgive. Give Jackson these your favorite though is a pretty big stretch. I couldn't imagine putting him as my favorite but actually I have a little bit of insight right on that because I was putting together casual corner game that we're going to play and there were definitely a lot of comments that were I can't believe that. CBS would do that to Jackson you know what did he do to desert so so yeah I can definitely understand where thirteen percent of people would come from Geena or having him as their favorite right well. The good news as you guys are sitting pretty after one question with fifty three points over a quarter of the way there to two hundred so go into question number two which was sort of a random question and I couldn't think I had four that were pretty easy for a fifth one. I'm like okay. Let's talk about twists so this was named the big twenty one twist that Youtube said was their favorite now thank you I yeah I know right so I was interested to see if we're going to say and if there was a runaway winner or something on it you said the field trip America's favorite America's fueled trip and that was actually number three with twenty three points so actually a decent amount yeah not not so bad mike like you said. What did you say you said? The double eviction even count was one of those so that was one of those interesting ones where it's like technically. I guess it's a twist because I would. I called it a twist in the past but the actually it actually was worth three points. Oh great so I went ahead and decided to not skirt around some people leave lots of random answers. Sometimes they'll fill out four to five answers or they love to leave leave multiple names so who is your favorite half the gas and like I just go with whoever they put. I sound like that was the person at the front of their mind so a lot of times people for this example. They didn't like it so in this case I took some of the joke answers and included them because why not only worth like one or two points. You guys have any idea what might have been American. America's field trip was number three. Do you guys have any idea what might be number one and number two. I feel like it's like none of them number number one or something that's exactly on the Internet should should give it to be so I was initially GonNa name in this question. We're GONNA make it say including none of them named the Big Brother Twenty one to us so you do so decided to get rid of it and I'm like that's too easy but number one answer was none one of them for thirty one cents was I can't seem to okay so I was it. America's pranks that our number two is frankly yeah no pranksters. There's actually a number four with only four points. It was a huge drop off after America's field show a the Oh yeah the wax worth one point while they got even less double of Vixen might not be a twist can't is Kim combat embed can come back. I think it was so so remembered that people just by default put it in it got thirty POW. Wow Wow I guess as much as none of them. I guess it's because it allowed us to like watch the people that we liked more but I feel so much. Watch bad happened almost as a result him come back to the bad outweighs the good yeah I mean that was my thought actually because I thought cam come back and I was like Oh. No you know I had a lot of controversy or at least that's what I remember but but yeah that's point. Also you know if you're trying to think of twists. That's the one that lasted the longest so maybe you're more likely to remember that so but yeah none of the above is is great. Yeah I totally forgot activity competition think people have stronger memories when they're in pain and I think cam comeback was very much a month long unfunny cancer cell so we can go number three. You guys got twenty six points after question to on top of your fifty three points so we can just sort of slowly do the math as we get down questions but that'll be sitting at seventy nine total which is pretty good about where you want to be number. Three question three was other than Jackson figured most people would say Jackson and he'd be a runaway easy obvious obvious who who played the best game this season so I started to say okay outside of Jackson. Who Do you guys think and Liana you said Tommy and and Tommy was a pretty good answer? He was the second most popular answer for best game other than the winner. He was twenty four points. I guess that's pretty good and Mike you said you sit in a coal played the best game I've I assume some people like to equate popularity with the gameplay employees as well so I just sort of went with that might set okay do do you feel confident with that already. Feel like that's going to be another double eviction through actually feel pretty confident about it because she's someone who we saw up until finale night and she was making some good moves at the end of winning competition so I feel pretty good well. You should feel good because that was that was the most runaway answer of the entire survey us do self worth the forty five points. Nearly fifty percent of those responded that I surveyed believe Nicole played the best game other than Jackson Congratulations I. I don't know if that's the case but I'm not going to the Internet. If it's helping us that I honestly I was. I was like wow that is such a runaway answer. I wonder if you guys would would maybe like not good enough of an ad like no. No aren't going to sign a coal and then you wouldn't get like forty five points there. I mean I've been I've been following the Stock Watch. I'll see we know oh how much the audience loves to equate popularity with good gameplay numbers. Yeah turn okay so that netted you guys sixty nine point one for number three which is huge so you initially had seventy nine going all the way up all right number four scale from one under ten. Actually I really want to go back. Let me go back on question number two. I had a few jokey answers that I wanted to bring up. Bring up that I thought were really funny and this was talking about the twists twists because a lot of people didn't like the to us and so instead of saying none of them they gave me jokey answers that our great like on person said Jess winning two comps in one week uh-huh hey expect unexpected training odd twists Marcel. Somebody I think was so over the moon about Nicole they the best waste list of Nicole's existence and last one person said letting Jackson in the shower. Oh yeah that's so funny. Money didn't keep deny that when he came out of the House it's like I didn't do it yeah yeah yeah trying to come after him with video evidence which I think he's just GonNa keep denying until you know until until he decided not to go onto the yeah. I wish I don't know technically. We didn't see the food go into his mouth but shower. I don't exactly know what purpose would be if not to eat said well. He brought a cucumber into the bathroom that one time so true all right so number four question number four and a scale from one to ten give me the score youtube rated big brother twenty one. Let's see Gaetana you said six hundred ten so just barely above average that was actually the number one answer worth twenty the three points all right well. That's could be worse. You know I mean it could have been so you know what I'll take exactly which I'm assuming assuming we'd be like the one of how many people gave this one yeah on the Internet also tend to go like really one way or the other so I'll be intrigued when all of this has done to find out how many ten about how many votes there were somebody gives us season Nicole ten so that would have been worth one point Nicole. You're saying Nicole for every single answer you could have done it and made a killing but anyway so then okay twenty three points the next one was Mike my seven out of ten and I assuming zooming six hundred ten. Wasn't everyone answer seven to ten the number to answer for eighteen. I assume that maybe it would have been a given uptick because Jackson say what you want about him but I do deflect he's one of the most unique player types win this season of big brother and he certainly was flashing down the line so I think that is definitely a very different compared to the past two finale or it was more of like the quieter which is set out Josh but like less flashy player one so I think that's helpful people's opinions right. It's interesting when we did this edge of extinction the top two answers were by far and away. There are seven and eight hundred ten so it's interesting to see. I'm not a huge correlation. I I can only imagine if you asked that question. After the finale that number would have been yeah right. That's true this is right after the double double of Gillian David so more a lot higher on it before for that point. I wonder if this was done after the double of twenty one. I think that six seven might turn into a seven I mean that's that's the thing and especially with ninety nine days of such rollercoaster. You know you pull at different times. During the season you could get a huge array of answers from nine to ones. I'm sure just depending on when you ask yeah and so I figured since you brought up the people number of people give it a ten and ten or one out of ten actually really low only one person give it a ten and one I give it a one wow yeah one hundred people so the same number of people gave the season a one ten in another ten yeah and I decided to look at this survey of the first one hundred people and see what their average scores out of ten and it turned into a five point three nine out of ten which isn't that high yeah especially compared to the number one number two answers. I guess is so heavily weighted to the bottom half sale yeah looking at the numbers go down the the number three was five at a ten and Ford Ford attended three hundred ten so those are the third fourth and fifth most popular eventually state nine people were more down especially with the ending of season so number five question over five was name the big brother Tony One player to believes is most likely to return for the Hypothetical Authentic Uil Mythical Pegasus all starts to season that will not come to be. Maybe this winter knows okay salona cliff and Mike you say Christie now knowing how many points we have between between the flask four questions you guys are at one hundred eighty nine. Oh my goodness means. We're going to work in a similar situation. Although I will say you were in worse spot with the previous one that lasts times about five months ago you guys were at one eighty seven with one answer left now. One one eighty nine with two answers left so suming you didn't totally a double of action on this morning should be okay for some reason. I assume that since I got something interesting on on ahead said Oh. I didn't realize you said Yeah I said cliff. I should've answered Nicole for everything. What have I done? Yeah you have to just believe in their faith of the Super Stans who just love Nicole so say cliff and and cliff was the flip best answer out of ten that were given so named the people that are twenty one player you believe is most likely return. Cliff cliff was a fifth out of ten names out of the sixteen. Hour cast was worth. Oh No what have I done hope that at least east six people wanna see Christie TV screens again so of course was it five with five points yeah. This is going to be an interesting ending yeah so I can tell you now. Nicole was in fact the number one answer Tom by far and away she was at thirty six points and so okay so you said Christie while I can tell you some good news. Tommy was number. Two with twenty one points joints number three number three was Christie and she did not have five points. She had twenty. Thank God God save the day by the last answer. I really doing this Atlanta. High anxiety is not good for this type at the gate puts you at Total of twenty two hundred sixteen two hundred points you guys now officially have confetti on your shoulder my gosh and I think I looked a little bit happier than Jackson so yeah my teacher not as red as his during that one commercial break when he was like furiously whispering at Hollywood right or are they talking about yes clustered. I was GONNA say my fear of going in. was you guys were going to say Nicole for everything because she was like thirty six points lanes forty five points forty one points like somebody just says Nicole. They're pretty much like one hundred fifty. You can say whatever you want at that point you one person said for name the the player that's GonNa come back. I decided to accept this answer and the answer was worth one point and I don't understand. I think it was a phone typo correction. It says pretty jury back you know we want the pretty I think trying to sing the preacher even bring the whole sense. That was my best. Guess Lazinski pretty good when they were on the finale night. I didn't notice that I was texting actually with Liana about this that I did notice that they did not do speaking of the rush along the they did not do like that each jury member walks out on stage to rafters applause and part of me wonders if it's because of the mixed reception of some of those jurors that they wouldn't want to risk them. I'm getting booed by walking out onto stage finale night yeah. I don't think they were going to be coming out with you. Know everyone's like yeah. We Love Jack. Yes yes yeah all right yeah. Thank you for bringing that game. That's a fantastic way way to get a pulse of very interesting way to get a pulse on on what people thought especially post finale so I'm glad we were able to pass the test as to what the pulse was on your community yeah. No it's fun for me too because I don't always have the best read and this allows me to sort of assess like the people that watch videos and come to my channel. I don't always know what they're thinking king and maybe I give this season like a seven out of ten who knows and they're giving it an average of five out of five out of ten. I don't know who they like and it's like okay well. They clearly all all our Song Sandler page. We all love Nicole. Nicole is number one pretty much and then as far as the twiss goal is really interested to see because I'm not a big fan of twists. I made that known this this year and and get a little bit of pushback from the thing. Most people are pretty okay with the twiss but it's like the number. One answer was none of them. I'm like that would have been so. It's nice to know that we're on similar pages well on that note of sort of getting the reactions to the finale and the season in general I want to move into next game that takes takes the power from the people to the people who have played big brother before and I have cold together several tweets about the big brother twenty-one finale rahm previous outs or we're going to do is we're going to go back and forth between the two of you each question. I'm going to read to tweets from big brother. Alumni is your job to tell me which one had more lights from the twitter verse on the night now a lot of stuff lying around with that very interesting finale and we'll see who had the hotter takes or who was just hotter in comparison to some of their big brother rather okay all right right well. Let's start with Yuliana. This will keep it in the family. Start off so your your tweets again. You have to pay which one has more lights. Kayla Herman said I feel like the big brother Fam- is like Greek life initiation. They spend up to ninety nine days in the house are version of hazing then they come out and joined tasers community welcome to the club Hashtag twenty-one you paid your dues mode of a goofy face versus Eric Stein Stein that finale dot dot dot. I'd be twenty one which one had more like Oh man okay. Yeah I think on this one. I'm going to go with Eric. I'm sorry it was a heat lynch. Eric had five hundred forty likes CAITLYN's had nine hundred and nine how okay I thought it was a simpler tweet. Mike Garner more likes of but but yeah okay all right now we have the big brother Greek system and that could be the team did camp this season. We could do GRANOLA ratty guys on this season that like I feel like we already got a pretty yeah. That's true I'm good with and this next one is for you to big brother. Winners had very different opinions as to how the end game would come out to be. I tweet Coal Frenzel. I right now think Holly has it at tag twenty one. What do you think versus as Derek La- Vassar this Jackson's game to lose and if he doesn't own his game with the jury he just might Hashtag twenty-one so nicole versus Derek which tweet had more likes okay? It's interesting that Derek was on her school Nicole on his season. I'M GONNA say I'M GONNA say Derek that is correct. Eric Cantor four thousand lights on one thousand four thousand likes on his tweet Nicole had at one point one thousand so it's close but it was very interesting to calls like oh I think holly has maybe she was to your point about her surprising on the on the jury question I think meal pre I was just thinking like I think more people were less interested in holly winning than Nicole our Mickey so I was just thinking if you're going to favor one side of the other more people probably GonNa go own Mickey's direction but I don't know anyway all right. We ought to this next one for you. I all of this question own your game. Natalie new GROTI tweeted word word of advice for all big brother future players jury management is important. Some people have it and some don't simple as that and it's a if of Jack Jack from willing race or doing like a gesture versus Josh Martinez Goodbye messages will forever be a game changer. You Are Wealth Dhamma Dhamma wink emojis fist emoji Ryan laughing emoji Hash. It'd be twenty one so now I know both of those players have crossed over into the challenge world but I still feel like Josh may be more prevalent with big brother especially because he won so I think I'm going to go with Josh here. That is on challenged tonight. Nonetheless Josh was trying to all his plate spinning as a word tweeting about both yes. Josh is tweet had one point five thousand likes Natalie's at five five hundred sixty six not surprised all right. We're going back to you here. I'm really going back to Nicole friend. This is a conversation actually between two in house. S and I'm GonNa let ask you which one had the more lights. I guess side of the Internet take okay. Maybe we'll said I feel so sad. That was not happy finale or break Emoji Hashtag DB twenty one versus Andy Herren all and says it wasn't but it was necessary. Sorry I think the show realize it go a little happiness in order to each valuable lessons about how some people treat others because of their race sex age etc Hashtag BB twenty one so between Nichols. Why is this finale so while wha andy sort of rebutting that point? Who Do you think had more lights? I think Andy I think Andy's pretty thorough with the twitter community you think he knows what he's done. Yeah Sandy you overestimate the rat voter. It was a whole will andy speak up five point eight thousand likes to eight point or off the record with Andy more but it seems that the twitter verse maybe agree with Oh. That's crazy yeah well. I think it's similar to what you were saying before about how there were some people I think the thing about finale while some of us were like I'm glad they're bringing this up. I think some people have the image of a finale supposed to be like a big happy ending for the season no matter what and this was anything but so I think that might have sense Liane. Let's go back to you here or some shoutouts Mr Pek tackler Jesse Daughters tweeted huge congrats to Hashtag Jackson it'd be Mickey on his amazing at CBS Big Brother Win last night what a win whatever finale what a season and baked and grasping America's favorite hd at bb Nicole the two H Jeez who said things about me one who incidents I think not ha ha ashes BBC twenty one at this was an instance where I'm like twitter needs to go back to one hundred forty characters. This is clearly an abusive. You're tweeting power Jesse so so that's one versus swaggie see Robin Click passes literally