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#1338 - Roy Wood Jr.

The Joe Rogan Experience

2:57:48 hr | 1 year ago

#1338 - Roy Wood Jr.

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He's fucking hilarious his name his roy wood junior the joe rogan experience podcast would yell junior pleasure ledger pledged to have you on here. Make fun of these guys alive you are. You're trying to pay bills. Probably one of the funniest guys out there man. I'm very excited to have you in here. Folks we're talking shit about apple electronics here so got the new book right and the new mac book with the new alaska. Oh asa whatever it is. It doesn't fuck with the old versions of final cut. The old video editing software used to use new matt because you got by there should again. I'm like my nigga. I just pay for that shit hundred dollars with my last computer and yeah i might you telling me my old software no good but you could make the software work with the new whoa s if you want it to but they don't get your mind again and all that shit so dirty so now i'm having to learn adobe premiere. I was pretty good but final cut <music> but i'm having to swansdown yeah. I've got a new thing and if i'm gonna do that then i miss where we learn a whole new piece of electronics but to do that means. You don't have to gut everything is the gut the apple t._v. Yet let go at the iphone or the ipad my girlfriend the whole house companies get you yeah so everybody how son he had a samsung. He had a samsung tablet. Get out of here. Get your pet. We we give that and then got him. So it's like no man he pulled get fierce about that mac versus android as much as they do about like republicans versus democrats. I want something where i don't have to keep paying the same shit over and over again. Every three or four apple makes great shit but funk you the interfaces so smooth. It's so nice can check text expenses. I can do whatever on my macbook jess. I can talk to my television. I can one click and all the and all it's beautiful but in three years it's time to pay. I almost switched over a couple years back. I bought a pixel on the pixel two came out but then when it came out i couldn't get text messages and i had a i got an email apple and ask them to take my email address off of the i message database. It's in order for it. I'm like take that email off so that i can't get i messages anymore and it still didn't work. I went online to try to figure out what is a way. How do you get out of this. How does this work you can't and if you unless you switch over to text message for a long period of time beforehand like switzer messages to text messages on your apple on your phone or unless you buy a new number you gotta kinda by is if you're going to get an a samsung phone or something you got to get a new number what got you when did you make the switch to apple in the first. What was he thinking forever forever genesis at some point. You have to pay like a sanyo yeah fifty nine. That was my old flip phone. Shout to saying you <hes> i. I remember remember when i was in radio back home. In birmingham. I was gifted an ipod touch. Oh yeah and i was all android phones and android everything and i had an ipod touch and at the time all i had to play music was a mini display so i could only hold like five hours. I mean this is like a one. Oh two and i had a five hour mini disc carry around the ipod touch and then it made more sense. Why am i carrying an ipod touch and android phone. When i could just have an iphone it does both and that started the journey. I started with iphone one but before that i was using macbooks i was using macs forever but even before they had an iphone. I used to make my own p._c.'s. I used to go to the store. Go to fry's by motherboard by hard drive time for that. You gotta you gotta how to want to do that like it was for me i was i wanted to find out how to do it and it was it was cool to play games on a computer that are put together myself but then you knew how to your building the game as well. He's done this. I'm i'm not definitely building eight games. I would just by video games display them on this but even format format it and doing everything i would have to call friends. That really knew what the fuck was up and they'd have to talk me through shit. There's some things you'd have to do in the bios and all of this is that i still have a._o._l. Email address as much as i do and you know what i don't understand email slander. I'm sending you were electrically. Does it matter company. What is it is my email more ghetto does it come with chicken. Grease stains when you open it in your lap. No it's the same words that if a senate from g mail now. I have a g mail account so that people will. We'll take me seriously when i emailed them about business ideas but i still have an old school l. e. mail that i've had since college and it's fine. It's it's a one. It's one of those things though when you just don't let it go on just think about you've got mail remember when you first heard that you've got man happy who ooh very exciting to talk to me and then you get older and you realize what please leave me alone. Who the fuck is this god mail yeah it was exciting and was a new thing that was ninety six. That's when i got online yeah yeah ninety five ninety six we had old compuserve serve <hes> account at the house <hes> and that was how we got online and then we started getting the a._o._l. Disk and all of that shit. We had a compaq presario israel. I had one of those. I had one of those. I started out with one of those old max that was like a beige box member with the apple sir. I don't remember what number was but it was ninety five ninety four somewhere around there that might be like the o._j. Macbook where the keyboard its own little keyboard the plug in a monitor that you had a plug in and it was like a tower was like a beige looking tower slowest slowest shit. It's fourteen four modem yeah fourteen four. I remember way of fifty. Six cat could leave it speed. Wasn't that jamie amy. It was a a monitor didn't have the floppy disk built into it. I don't think it's hard to remember. I remember it. Being there was an actual. The tower computer was like the monitor itself with you altogether no but man. I thought i was living in the future. I couldn't if something like that. Jamie brahma older brother had that one on the far right that was mold had a mac book man it had <hes> old school macintosh in the nineties and the and microsoft flight simulator and you couldn't tell me shit. I go to his house five hours which is fly cessnas in real time i get it. I get why people will sit down with the flight simulator and fly in real time from l._a. To san francisco have you seen the new ones they have. Oh it's unreal out anita by p._c. The and then i knew i wouldn't get shit done. Have you ever used the h._t._c. Five no ooh virtual reality. We have won the whole helmet. Sit sit down joint to my kids. Come here and they battled the death to see who gets the v._r. The fight each other. It's amazing man. You put this thing on and like you're in another world. You're you're fighting zombies. You're in the ocean with with with wales and shell went to a samsung event and they had some a._r. Type experience where you put the phone on and it's it's fun but then i just in the back of my head i can't get. I can't get out of my head. How goofy. I look to someone else so it's almost like something i gotta do alone. Yes you look goofy oof. You look really goofy. When there's a boxing game though that you can get a great workout eh legitimate great workout because dude comes at you see him. He's throwing punches and every time he history c._e._o. Bright white spark getty hit. It's wild man you're moving around bobbing and duck and punches thrown combinations. You feet start hurting your hands. Let's get tired. Is that going to catch on for real joe. Is this like the nintendo wii when it first came out no war and you're gonna lose calories with the nintendo we in the you're just a fat bastard on the couch learning. We're gonna i learned how to bowl sitting down yeah you can you can get in shape with this for real like if you want to do multiple rounds of boxing with this thing you would get some serious fucking shape because it feels real when you put that headset on and your dudes in front of you and he comes towards you get his hands up like the shit and you're moving around swinging at you. You see the punches flying over your head. It's awesome now. This isn't something that's predictive in since like different types of workouts a different types respond sessions predict yeah if you knew the patterns it's it's a good workout but either way. You're fucking this dude up. That's the whole idea. The whole idea is to keep an eye on him. It's it's you don't feel anything if he hits you you just see the spark doesn't x. This that vibrates in gets electrolysis assist in yeah yeah yeah there's a haptic feedback vesey where there's a place called the void he go there and as a star wars game and the stormtroopers shooting you in the hit you in the chassis it does it hurt or is it like just sensation just a sense. It's like laser tag. It'll get worse yeah. It's getting they're. They're doing these warehouses warehouses now when you go into a warehouse and it's all virtual reality and so they have everything planned out you walk on a causes beam. There's fire left you and fire to the rights. You feel heat. Tells tells on to have it set up to make it. You know really sort of mimic. Whatever sensation you're supposed to be experienced that would be i will be all in for i know when i i was listening to you coming up like you started talking about the sensory deprivation chambers. That's always been something it's in the back of my head. It's like do you have any time today you do <hes>. I don't know how much i have after let's see okay it's it. I know i know what the mind fuck. It's a little bit of a mind yeah but it's it's. It's one of those things where i go when when i get a house i'm getting a grill and i'm getting one. Those got the joe rogan maps and that's what i call him joe rogan boxes and i'm putting shit in my fucking man cave yeah. Everybody should have a isolation tank. It's a it's a fucking beautiful thing to have it just it. It's settles your mind like nothing else yeah. That's that's the thing that i always struggle with is just too many too many tabs open of course at all times those comics do yeah and the only thing that slows me down is video games and puzzles puzzles yeah what kind of putting pictures saw and sadaqa <hes> aw does it like. Those are the three things that i can do that. I know immediately the moment i started the activity everything closes and we're focused on one thing the only thing that i can do what what i need to get my mind off of stuff i was dating this girl in time and get in the middle of an argument and so you try not to try not to be a dick in the moment so just start art doing the puzzle trying to stay calm and then she walks over and just start undoing the puzzle as doing all my goodness oh <music> all undoing all the anger. That's a sign. That's a sign of someone's intentions. When doing your puzzle you one of those yeah. This is my place. This is the one place i can go and just let deescalate now now. That's bad intentions. That's that's. That's like seriously bad. Engines someone trying to undo your puzzle yeah. That's shitty. Kids would fight to the death over that say places like when we smoke and say you fucking up their hat i i. I understand that yeah yeah. That's that's the one thing with her anymore. No no no no. I crash that you can't i'll i'll take responsibility on ah puzzles desma famer puzzles and a little bit of video games and batting cages. I'd love to help morals and that would be amazing but you need a lot of space. You need like sailly yard new york right now. There's nowhere to put a few live in the city. There's no it can do you like living in the city why they're <hes> because the daily show our job is trading. I thought about it at first but then i had a kid same year i got the show so i need needs to be closer so we got harlem so harlem is at least a shorter commute the studio how far where's the studio studios on less odd hills kitchen on order so oh it's like fifty fifty four street and we're lacking the one thirties. It's not too bad. No it's closer than brooklyn right. Which was where i was originally originally when i first got to new york subway from brooklyn tried to be a city boy i either the problem is that i've gotten more done career wise in new york four years than i did the eight years i was in l._a. Because of the show it's just new york. Is this just more. I just there's more of a hustle mentality really yeah yeah i think so i think that i'm more prone to run into comic steadier going going going going and so when you around that it makes you wanna go it makes you want to write because as you see so and so working on a new bit and doing all of that and i didn't see as much of that in l._a. Granite you don't get to do as many sets in l._a. 'cause the logistics of the city but i just felt like there was more of a gogo goldman tally. They just rubs off on you more because of that. You don't get to socialize <hes>. All of my friends are in l._a. So a lot out of social relationships of suffer because new york is gogo and you're trying to get the next career thing done and then you also gotta go home and be dad yeah. That's kind of be weird raising kids in l._a. Or new york rather. I talked to <hes> gaffe again about he's raised the halls kids in new york city and aaron like manhattan or they're in jersey where in in manhattan he's been in manhattan forever. Yeah i don't. I don't know if that's something not for. The long run kidnaps three now so yeah. He's young enough so it it. It will leave him. Come back out to l._a. Roy either l._a. Or our go to atlanta atlanta's shit get move. Who've nicobar gase shown us the recipe. What's he doing. Well you know i think he's got a place down south in atlanta nashville listen. Those are both great great cities if you if you're traveling on the road all the time he just need a base. You know look man you live. I have a buddy of mine lives outside of nashville. <hes> he fucked and takes pictures of his yard saw all greene i hear birds chirping you know yeah rentable unique yard man with a yard and you know so that and then family and it's just it's a i feel like new. York is a great place to go but it's not the best place to start necessarily yes but i mean like i i start now. Lay people can start anywhere. I mean it's better starting. It's better starting their than like a place that does not much seen like maybe phoenix phoenix has like a little bit of a scene gene but my first nine years all southern rhode guy alabama. I started in tallahassee and birmingham where like in those days i can ninety eight open. Mike was once a month per city. Wow so every week. If you wanted to get on you had to get on the greyhound city that's commitment so that's the only way and then we started creating stages like in the panhandle from fort walton over to jacksonville you start meeting you formal frigging network. <hes> in this guy's got a monday night at schiphol. This guy's got a tuesday tuesday night at another shithole and looking back on it. It was all trash stage time. That's the best you could do until you move. It is amazing though how many guys have crafted careers just doing that like the will the will to do do time and define spots in the fire place to work out. I would make the argument that that i'm better off now as a comic twenty years in having started on the road instead of starting to major market just because i feel like when you road guy you meet every version of what your career could end up being when you're young because if you're if you're san fran <hes> pity comic you only hanging with your peers you run into the bigwigs every now and then but at some high and by bullshit at the comedy club and then they go on their way but when you do a weekend with ron white and you get to watch him properly night after night after night. That's a fucking tutorial. Yeah and that's a fucking gift and then you can do a weekend the very next weekend with a guy who's been doing it. Thirty years hadn't written a new joke in fifteen burnt out alcoholic hates. His kids hates us and once i got to l. a. you start seeing well. No i know to avoid that because i'll end up like that dude yeah. I know not to do that. Because i'll end up like ah god damn namings there was a comic these two pre one custody of his child and the one thing in the court order was is that she cannot be around the comedy club so you know what he did even broader around the comedy clubs so this feature i watched his seven-year-old all while he will go out and do his oh jesus yeah but that little custody kid because of that. I don't know i haven't seen him since farc work can't bring your kid seven-year-old. I brought my kids when they were like <hes> nine and seven outside a comedy club and i let that he was at the improv in irvine and i said that because we were all down there having dinner together and i did my show and <hes> they they were like right around the corner. Say come on. Let me take you backstage. I'll show it it's like in the show is about to start and had my daughter. I come on pico peak out there and she's like oh. My god like all those people stage. I was like ron stage. No don't run to come back and yeah. That's safe safe to have them listening to your shit now. What that taught me was the importance of of how important it is who you end up with as relates to your career joke a lot of guys that i started with a lot of road guys. They're not doing it anymore or they're doing it at the same level that they were ninety eight and a lot of them. I can point to dating the wrong person who attack their psyche and their self esteem in the four year window because i feel like every year you get another opportunity to skip a level right right and if you don't skip that level we'll go back down to levels and so these guys are trying to go from here to here and you're with someone that's attack. Why are you doing that. You shouldn't be doing that. There was a guy that used to take me on the road with them down south <hes> kind on some mentorship type shit and we will do gigs and if it was within four hours <music> of of of the city his wife would roll his wife what role and both kids are in the back seat car seat age. It's like nine o'clock in georgia and we're just riding together to a fucking gig. We would do the show and then in exchange for an opportunity for states. I would drive this family back back home and then i will go home sleep in my bed but we didn't spend the night the family was stay at the hotel while we did the show and it will get back in the car and drive the foot back home knowing knowing what i know now he was fucking chicks on the road <hes> and the only way she was comfortable with him still doing standup ended up was if she got the role interesting and that's gotta be stressful. He fucked up. He fucked up but to have both he tried to save. Both you try to save decree and try to save matt art. Yeah and i think who you deal with outside. The business is as important as how you handle yourself into. I understand that one. I understand the more than i understand. The lady was doing your puzzle and that's a different mindset a woman that that makes sense yeah. She's trying to figure out a solution. Probably don't wanna do comedy or i'm coming with you. That make sense. You shouldn't have a three year old and a car seat for eight hours on nolan's being no no oh not just cruising the freeway yeah wolf but if that's the proposition she presents to you to continue doing career then you know you gotta take leave. Comedy is a tricky one man because in order to do it correctly. You have to do it. Almost all the time you gotta be all time. I got a good situation where my kids are in bed by like you know eight o'clock on a week night and that's when i leave perfect yeah kissed him good night you know and i and <hes> my spots of the store usually around ten so <hes> i just roll in you know yeah. I'll hang up my wife a little bit and then i'll drive into town. It's perfect but wendy you eve l. sets because that's where i'd start running into overlap and time is figuring out the execution comedy versus the preparation to do comedy <hes> in so review in a set watching tapes well a big one that out yeah a big one for me is the drive their home so it's thirty five minutes to the store four thirty five minutes home so that's what i'm reviewing material. I listened to recordings so they have a bluetooth on my phone so i do that through the speakers of the of the car and that helps a lot that helps a lot. That's gigantic. You know like <hes> it also puts me in mind. I feel like the more sets you do right. Tidier standup is but the more focus you put on your set. It's almost as good as like a half. A set like listening to a full set is like doing a half a set. That's how i feel the same. When you found all the extra you found all the fat to trim. Yeah you find the fat to trim and you also find like a spark like oh. Why did i say that ooh there might be something there and then you got to write that down and then then spent time just going over scribbles like right here. You know like straight pride parade like cripples. You know what i mean like. Oh that's right. That's right that's right and then i'll start adding stuff together and then i spend time just straight out writing. The straight out writing almost always always when everyone's asleep so like when i come home from the store. It's like midnight or something like that. Everyone has time to past times bark up at joint fire up the fucking laptop and that's when i right there's there's a time thing that i struggled with. The most in writing is consumption. <hes> chapelle says something years ago in a magazine kazini about how every comedian needs to understand how their joked machine works and identifying the stimuli that you were encountering during the time time you having a creative high in your in the writing cycle when ideas are just popping and coming to you document what was happening what was going on during that time i and do your best to recreate those situations and scenarios to inspire riding when you have writer's block so i know for me it stuff that bores me or stuff that that annoys me beat reading magazines t._v. Whatever so i have to find time to watch that i don't like it can't stand because is i know my mind will wander into a place where i can write some stuff but lighten to physically just sit and consume television and that's what i have to start doing on the goal like i get it. I like i used to think these people were stupid and novels people who walked around staring at the fucking phone watching my d._v._r. On the train or something because i have to constantly take in so that when it is time to write that there's something that there's something more frightening there. I had a conversation with theo von about this last night where he <hes> he's birthed out and he had to cancel some shows and i said what's going on and he said man he goes. I just been going to hard to hard too much too. Many weekends. You know nine shows week over and over and over again seven eight nine ten weeks in a row he goes. I need to stop because i'm not taking anything in recover. He goes everything. I'm i'm just putting everything out he goes. I'm not gonna say everything seems fake when i'm saying like i feel a felton allow felt that spot where you feel like everything. You're saying pills. Fake yeah like you just bullshitting yeah i i'm trying to i'm still working on a lot more stuff that has motif to and i'm starting to become the obsessed is in the world but there's something noodling that me about veterans and the trajectory veterans when it come back from war and all that shit eh and i was trying to work on a bit about vietnam and started watching this kim burns documentary. That's on netflix right now and it's like it's fucking like they. They interview north vietnamese soldiers as well again. Never i never my life see no shit like 'cause normally vietnam always always told from our p._o._v. essen down with just straight out via colleague. Yeah we start to get the monthly 'cause we set them up like unremorseful in the sense of speaking about the war from their perspective going in in it tells the story from both sides and so it it how i wanna tell the joke and that's the stuff that you have to do from time to time to make sure that your jokes aren't way to one to one side. That's blackout level material man. If you're gonna make some jokes about war you're in vietnam and soldiers and soldiers returning you just you're entering into the trickiest of balancing memes. That's where the reward. That's that gabby douglas double all triple. Whatever i'm sorry simone biles pardon me simone gonna do. I don't know some they'll make illegal in competition. Next shit cause black woman did a new job. It's like when syria bony was figure skating and she did a backflip on the ice and he will no more backflips. They said said no more backwards but it was dangerous. French check did a backflip and immediately. The i'll see was like no more backflips it was amazing to maybe they're worried about like those b._m._x. Dudes b._m._x. Tuesday started doing double flips and then they started doing triple blah bunch of i'm sorry crashing. Britain necks can snowboard chit sain raising yeah how now you're stuck on that thing too. It's not like skis where your legs move that one in the snowmobile within coming over the handlebars of the snowmobile and coming back down. Oh man yeah yeah no anything with b._m._x. Bikes or motocross sir any those crazy white dude's doing flips. It's all just do how many flips flips can you do landing on your front tire and the the wrecks man i i spent an hour one nine just watching rex just watching guys try do flips finland wrong with this picture and nerves getting ruined for life spinal cord compound fractures this a birth of big air thirty thirty eight talk about when it would start at their shin eighties oklahoma and it would just doing it for the love like it was just a deal with a ramp in his yard and just work traveled no e mail no nothing just word of mouth. Does it do with a ramp so when we're in town into that race we're going to go over to do yard. Do four days rush it. You had to be like a trapeze guy like before there was motocross bikes and what did you do. I give you a crazy person. You gotta be a trapeze guy options. You didn't have have winning with skateboarding. Skateboarding wasn't really thrashing like that. Eighty just rolling around like assholes. We're on a sidewalk pedestrian. The crazy shit they did is getting a pool. We're in a bottom of a whole. This is nuts man. We're on the edge the shit they do kids like in general athletics wise like the stuff. They're doing in jujitsu and in m._m._a. The kids that are coming up now the the they're so advanced and they're they're all doing flying triangles and flying arm arm bars on each other and so god damn humans are evolving so i came up playing baseball is there. Are there certain like in baseball before you turn like fifteen. I think they try to limit you. Throw in breaking balls <hes> because it'll fuck with you <hes> elbow tommy john so are there may moves. Oh you just as a child. You're not allowed to do this yet. You have to be a grown man leg locks as a beginner. They generally try to get you to stay the fuck away from leg locks. Locks 'cause leg locks. I don't know if you're familiar like <hes> heel hooks. There's there's techniques that you do that are going against the edge of your knee so here's your new you knee bends like this. That's right. They're going against this way back that way and it just does not much. Give in your knees man and so when you get a heel hook. It's like your leg. Your leg is like in front of like wrapped around a guy they've got their he'll trap like this and it pulling on your knees sideways and you need he just gets ripped apart and it hap- it's very very common that guys get knee injuries from being overzealous and not not not like like giving a guy a chance to get out of a technique. There's a heel hook right. They see that guy screaming. Fuck is bro. I'm telling you it's fucking horrific pain. You get your circus tear. It apart you fucking ligaments pop. You know it's it's a terrible terrible feeling and yet. It says there's not much room for like an an arm bar. Dislike your arms locked out. You can kind of take a little bit before you have to tap but with your knee the moment you feel pain. It's too late shits yeah. Ah that right there. Look how does dean lister dean list. Here's a fucking gorilla that dude on the bottom. He's like one of the leg lock pioneers in jujitsu jitsu. He's fucked up. Many dudes future walking. I'll say this about m. a. It's definitely level bar fights. Oh yeah a little bit more four now. I've seen some scrawny guys like really fucking big. Do that know what they're doing. Yeah yeah i can just see the and it's funny because there's all the shit talking talking before the fight and then the fight starts and then of course the big dude is like tapping and the scrawny do still going dude. There's no ref. You're you're at a bar. You're like this isn't you. Don't get to tap out you get your shit broken years a lot of people that get in fights. I don't know what they're doing straight. It's like imagine if you challenge that guy to a basketball game. We've never played basketball ridiculous like i know how to do it. I've watched on t._v. But there's a lot of people that will do that fights but the consequences of a fighter way more grave the consequences of a basketball game so kick your ass in basketball you fool somebody. Kicks your ass in a fight. You're you're. You're getting fucked up. Maybe permanently. Maybe your face is gonna be scarred up for life life and ain't no fighter man. I'm a one in one lifetime. Oh one in one one draw withdraw. Gotta fight find. The eighth grade stopped violence rally no shit because i figured that'd be the best place to talk shit shit. What's better spot. Talk your shit then at a stop the violence rally because presumably someone will come in and go. Hey man right. Let's not do we brother is an yeah. Mario brown slept shit out of me. Mario brown where i higher ground is air force retired still coup state now but on that day he slept kit out of <hes> <hes> the worst ill in front of everybody ooh. That's a hard one. That's a hard l. on get off on that one wrong. You know i didn't know how to fight at all until i learned how to fight. I was terrified of fides. Never never never never was the guy who i was just trying to get away from everybody buddy. 'cause i grew up in different places. We moved around a lot when i was a kid so i didn't grow up like what a bunch of friends where everybody knew everybody think i was always the new kid so so you always had to always always and so then when i was fourteen i fuck this. I moved to a new city new town and i was like i gotta learn or not fight and started to start taking martial arts. I just became obsessed with it. Do you teach your kids yeah yeah. I teach them but they're not into it anymore. They <hes> they were into it for a little while. They they like doing other stuff mostly gymnastics and shit but do are you teaching. Did you think to take because i'm trying to ceylon my son. You know how to approach coach self-defense. How is three three. I know it's early but it's not it's not a bad thing to get it to be a part of his body when he's really young daughter started when she was five live but the question becomes about teaching proper conflict resolution <hes> because i also i'm wired a little weird in the sense that i feel like because he's a black kid head. He's not going to get josh saying if he throws the first punch so i don't want him in a position where he might get expelled or some you know right but if you gotta get the fuck off you going on bended knee sideways yeah yes well. That's the beautiful thing about kids. Learn jujitsu is also the really used to conflict because you have conflict in the gym all the time not conflict in a negative way but we sparring you know you slap hands and you just do it and you go full blast trying to get each other as hard. What is you can and you can do that. In jujitsu not hitting each other you just choke each other and get an arm bars and then with some gets you just tap and then you move onto the next thing and the thing about doing that then you not worried about conflict. It doesn't seem as scary to you like for me until i started learning martial arts as fucking terrified of everybody thought everybody's gonna kick my ass like fuck see some dude that bullied me and my shift and i'd go around the whole opposite. Way of school walked the total way around the school to get to the thus wrong fifteen. Extra minutes didn't care to walk twenty extra minutes home if i didn't want to cut through the south part projects is there. Was this dude expensive. That was always every week for sure. Gonna give me the damn business. Those people ruin your lives every week they would sit on the porch and watch me walk in the corner store and then we'll come and take my knowledge chefs and my i've set aside and lunch. I ate at lunch so i can eat candy and chips on the way home and they were snatched. Shit right on my only thing saved me growing up. I had an added good ass basketball so outta. Gangbangers in the neighborhood bert will come to our yard to shoot ball so essentially learned every every terrible person in my neighborhood shot ball at my house so you can't fuck quickly because then you won't be able to shoot ball. Oh that's nice so. I don't know if my mom did that by design. I know she did it to keep me from going up to powdery part to shoot ball. Where <hes> you know that's why the bullshit will go down but all the bullshit came to our house but out of respect to my mom and my dad like they never started shit and i just walk around april perfectly fine out at school. I still get fucked but on the welcome it was gravy. That's very nice once you got the basketball is good. That's very nice yeah phil i. It's a kid who's really mean. Who's like bullying you in high school and junior high school that could fuck people's whole lives up. Sometimes people never recover from that shed. It's a natural inclination that people have to fuck with someone. Who's scared a week to just you see it. In animals man you see dogs animals. I shall we forget. We like clothes and automobiles of civilized. No it still i'm trying to take your woman and reproduce and i'm trying to i can spread my jeans and i'm gonna take your food like the basic of bullying is that <hes> yeah it's nature and it forces you to overcome because almost every fighter that i've ever met met professional fighter was fucked with george saint-pierre who's like one of the greatest of all time told the story on the podcast about he was driving his range rover when he was world champion through montreal and he saw this homeless guy and the homeless guy was his bully in high school and he realized he was like whoa oh. It's like what's going on. Man what you doing like talk to the guy and try to make amends to the guide help him out a little bit like fuck man. This is his bullying highschool and you realize like most people that are causing pain and inflicting pain on people are in pain man. That's why they're doing it. You know it's like victims. You know the victims uh-huh of crimes oftentimes perpetrate those crimes on other people that that happens kids get abused at home. They get beaten at home. They're the ones won a beaten kids up at school you you know they just they want to dish out violence on someone smaller than them because they're getting dished out on them by someone's barfield some power yeah man i mean that's that's the constant victim narrative but on the other hand families of people that grow up that are martial artists like like all the kids know how to fight the nicest friendliest people they don't worry about. It's not the thing that fucks with their for me. I knew i didn't know how to fight so scary so like every time someone fucking like get away. I can't fight on what i'm doing. One some dude got me in a headlock and three down on the ground and was gonna punch me in the face. I never forget this. <hes> i forget what was happening. We were talking like i said something he said. That's something stupid to me. I said something stupid back to him. Then he just got me in a headlock threw me on the ground and he held me like that he was going to punch nan. I ain't gonna bother. I'm just sitting there going god god damn and i'm helpless locked up in a headlock this dude on top fuck and the only only his mercy that he didn't punch fuck and facing or he didn't wanna get suspended spend or whatever and i remember going. That's it. I'm gonna learn how to fight. This is ridiculous do you do you ever run into the people from your past have revisionist history on yours relationship elation ship and not too much because the only people that i'm friends with from back then i'm actually could friends with that. I was friends with when i was growing up like a couple of buddies but most people don't i've never bought a ticket to your show and came up to the time i was in high school. That's that's the only people that are still am in contact with anymore. I had had already gotten balls. Deep in martial arts like my first year of high school so by like halfway into high school. I was crazy already competing and traveling all over the place so it was but i do run into people have fake stories around the people. Tell me things that happened at a party kicked out due to handle white dude. I never take anybody. It never happened. A hundred percent definitely never happened. I never went to a party and beaten but he's never happened with correct them. I correct him mike. I never thought anybody some dude was telling me some story about some guy told him that one time we were on the street and some guys across the street. We're talking shit. I want across the street and kick both of them in the head. That never happened never happened. I'm guaranteed never happened because the last time i was in a street fight. I was like fifteen. I'm like this never happened. This is not a true story opposite man who people come to me which i don't remember. I just let him have it. If that's your memory of us in college fine whatever weird right when you when you definitely know like i know for a fact i was never in any street fights outside of high school at a professor from college accused me in a facebook faces a facebook threat of something this article about me and like all the other alumni commenting on it and one of the professors i remember in nineteen eighteen ninety four when you said this thing to me in class and stormed out of cla- i'm like i didn't enroll until ninety six but say that i just i literally just apologize et like 'cause she's clearly been mad at me all of this time about something that i didn't even do and i'm just like there's nothing i can say this that your narrative fi you know what i'm sorry for the shit that i didn't do roy woodall peaceful but but then she replies on it that well thank you means a lot in whatever so in in my weird arrogant brain i've freed her of her anger or whatever the fuck it is. She thought i did but that's very. That's a great approach. I just don't feel like going back and forth. That's a great approach. It's it's so much easier to evade. I'm more of an evader in schemer than a fighter. I'm not gonna argue with you. Go back and forth but what i will try and figure out a way to do over the next two years diabolically dismantle anything stand for and believe in quick quick. That's that's my approach to like. There's a comedy club owner. That god is my witness before i die. I'm open at a comedy club across the street stories. Where's this <music> <hes> he now dell is someplace someplace. It's one of the carolinas <hes> we'll. We'll you know we have such a a complicated relationship with them because we need them and we don't want to do it. I don't wanna fuck and run a goddamn comedy club but we need one. You know to have some guys dealing with a bunch of maniacs like us day in day out every week. Nick coming in and telling jokes getting drunk and smoking weed in the green room and all the chaos is central to the artful. Yeah the distance of the comedy club is essential essential one hundred percent you ever get scared that the young people don't really go to clubs fuck with clubs yes yes i do change the business model like in the next decade well one of the beautiful things about comedy clubs though is that we all use them like even if you're doing arenas like us comedy clubs use comedy clubs to to exercise like chapelle comes all the time and does the belly room with a seventy seat room. Let do just strolls on in it'd be happy yup and they'll do forty fucking minutes and that is so critical man it's so it's so important to get that work in gus why i don't like when a lot of the vets attack the as they call them instagram comedians <hes> or the vine not vine anymore because they get mad at him because the club will book them and they'll go will live show. It was trashed. It's terrible and it's true for most of them. It's not the greatest performance because they they haven't had the chops yet yeah but they sold three hundred a ticket and everybody ate and drank. What do you think is keeping the lights on on for your thirty percent selling capacity as to come back in next year and the next year to go from thirty percent soul to forty percent soldiers. They're not making no money any off in but at these comedians can come in and at least help keep the lights on. I think in the greater in the greater scheme of comedy. There's more good than bad. I i agree comes from that and i also feel like there's there's a there's a level of ignoring the tools that they've been able to use to get an audience in lieu of the fact that they don't put new stand up on t._v. anymore. Let's it's contest. Comedy central just started with the with the lab at the cellar shit but other than that i mean it hasn't been a lot but no one's even watching isn't t._v. Anymore i mean the numbers on regular t._v. Programs are so low now like if you do wanna set on conan like what is what did we win over this right like the the numbers are like less than four hundred thousand people. Watch it a night yeah. That's that might be laughed plus three yes might even be just live. There might be live plus d._v._r. These are over the next three nights crazy so no one's watching anything anymore. If you can get onto a stage the way i feel about instagram comedians comedians ends is if you're doing standup comic you might be shitty comic and you might be a famous shitty comic. Who is your famous from vine or whatever the fuck it is but who your comic mkx like it's whether or not you decide to become a real comic and actually do the work and put in the time and then one day be look. I hope we see these youtube comics comics and they're fucking terrible and then you go to see him seven eight years later and they're murdering the crushing great timing right premises we got one. We got one. We need more. This is a hard gig thinking about what you had to do. When you're starting thing about you traveling around all those fucking things getting on a bus do open mics open mic once a month that takes kind of britain resolve that most people don't this shit is like hazing where the owners feel like well. They didn't suffer the way i suffered therefore your success invalid. I don't take i don't do it the way i did this. The only way to do with the game evolves act the point of access. It's like it's like comedy is like to me. It's like a fucking grocery store. You've been in line. You've been in his checkout line and then a new checkout line opens then all these fuckers just cruise through through that check out and you're still stuck in the same waiting to get a tonight show set line and the instagram line opens and people start whisking route to success and you don't know whether or not to change lines and stay in this one we will. The beautiful thing about comedy is you don't have to get out of the line. He's opened up. A new line opened up an instagram law november youtube line. You can do all those things. Wait in line as long as me. So why do they get to leave the store. You know you have that little piece of jealousy. When someone has not been in line as long as you the grocery store before you that's comedy. It is but it's wasted energy. You can't think about that. You can't you should think about the same we think about someone having success in some some field that has nothing to do with yours like if someone is nobel prize winning scientists like fuck. I could've done that but you did. It's really the same thing started that up. Ah it has nothing to do but some people are like that. Some people see someone with like a startup some internet startup and it makes a billion dollars and they get angry. They get angry because we don't go. Go fucking do something don't worry about what other people are doing. It's a giant waste of your energy. I read a book rebel without a crew think-i guitar. I think rich rodriguez think is his name and he was a filmmaker he made the i can't remember the name of the movie but it was the prequel to what became desperado robert rodriguez yes okay yeah and you talked about just shooting that shit gorilla and for essentially pennies less ten thousand dollars shot a whole last film and walks through how we cut the corners and then you think of how to shop paranormal activity for like fifty five thousand dollars fifty dear sixty thousand dollars the first paranormal activity was dirt cheap they shot the i saw for a million dollars in thirty days in one building well every and in every scene in the car shake in the fucking camera and jump cutting billion dollar franchise get rebooted now like that like when i see he's shit like that. I don't get jealous. I go fuck. I need to go and fucking gorilla shit together and so that's why i started trying to learn in video editing audio audio editing and all that shit man knows inspiring. I love when i walked in the green. When i saw you fucking with that software i love when people are hustling when they're doing things like that. Learning new things and you're like you know what fuck this final cut pro shit. I'm gonna learn adobe premiere. They keep fucking with me making me by a new version every year now to be fair adobe makes you rent shit but does that too now with like office whole office. We rented eighty dollars a year to so many clothes to it. Just crooks crooks crooks. You can't use the old version of office new and if i send you a file. That's like office three. You can't open it with the new off like a text file with no form like they do it to fuck you. I barely use office. I use it a habit but i write with right room for the most part. Do you know what that is software. It's no it's <hes> it's software turns your host cream black and turns text green and you can't access your browser. You can't do nothing. He just have green software. Have you ever seen it looks like some old. M._s. dose coating action on on my windows computer. I i use. I use a program called scrivner do most of my writing on that. There's a distraction free option. That's what it looks like. That's a matrix as i write like i'm in the matrix. That's how right when i'm on my win my mac because that's version of that. Don't they have a version that for windows. I think they do but i've never really installed it. I just use <hes> yeah. I need to says mac o._s. Doesn't say anything about windows. I heard a story that they wrote the. I independence day movie in three days in a hotel room. Make sense just focusing in like that authorship has helped me focus. Have you got a lot of coffee or some outer or something like that. You don't action movie three days easy. You can go crazy now. There's guerrilla-style shipman is that's how this podcast got started this. This podcast reaches some stupendous number of people every month and started with a laptop up in my living room so i was bored me and my friend brian because <hes> i just got back from colorado house. I can't believe i'm back in l._a. This is fucking and terrible. I'm like wow let me do something and so. I just started doing q._n._a.'s on the like a laptop talking to people and you stream yeah. That's the the one thing. I wish i could have back. I wish i had taken youtube more seriously. You take it seriously right now. Though i do now but not in two thousand five hundred i came content. Just start rolling now the same thing you were complaining about before i'm just it's the wish that that's what your career is is. That man is soon. It's two things i would have done to take an internet more seriously and i would have taken some more advice and not gotten on t._v. For ten years i don't think any comic can do it though i think it is impossible to be a working comic and stay off if you stayed off of television for ten if you start at your career and just never our ditch shit no festivals just crush crush crush yeah he's become fucking legend that by the time you finally decide you look at college quarterback that just stays in college for years and years and years and never interested draft by the time you do everything stratosphere but there's too much money is too. Many offers do joey joey. Diaz didn't do any stand up comedy on t._v. Until like fifteen twenty years in gay was crushing but joey also i think is from a different cloth. He wasn't seeking that out. He was well he was. They were scared of him. You know he was talking about eating ass and taking the muffler and all this chaos going yeah. He's he talks crazy but i think i have a different perspective. I think <hes> i have a bunch of old sets for me when i was on t._v. I was doing comedy like five years four years. They're terrible but the good thing about it. Is they exist and it's lets you see like look. This was in the beginning. I was talking terrible but just keep going. Just keep working at it. Keyboarding you get better. You know like i'm not under any illusion that i didn't use to suck. I try to talk about it as much as possible. I was terrible when i first started it. You're okay with that being out. I don't give a fuck dude. Would i be digging in the crates. I've been digitizing a lot of my own v._h._s. Shit trying to you know just for posterity and going through some of my ol- the t._v. set. They're all terrible. The letterman said is probably the only thing the letterman and def jam set and six only to that i'd still to this day i i still stand beside those jobs everything before that premium bland star search last comic apollo comic view all of it. I'm like berry that shit. My biggest fear is becoming famous. Whatever the fuck that is embiid just rolling out some sort of remember when uh-huh fucking thread older black comics. They used to suck twenty years ago look. That's who you were. That's part of the process process process. I don't care i'm fine with the promise that the gatekeepers at decide stuff. They only want the new shiny things if they see too soon album roy. That's the only problem. You don't need those fucks. You know need gatekeepers internet. The internet has no gatekeepers. The people that are podcast get you on their podcasts. You do your own podcast. You put out a lot of content. No gatekeepers at the problem with is that it takes comics discovering it because the problem is a young comic mcadoo. You inherit the goals of your predecessors so as a young comic especially as a road comment. Every row comic is trying to get on t._v. So they make you believe t._v. Is what you need to be going. Don't forget youtube shit nigga retina. You got to get on goddamn. Let him and you get on letterman and then you get the show i got on letterman in is not a knock on letterman and it's worth as it credit but the worth of a late night credit in two thousand six versus nineteen ninety six sls the same currency now there was a deflation in the currency so it got me. More rooms got me more money but there was no ray romano fucking huge. Does your career career. Here's your kevin j like it doesn't work like that but the only but you're chasing somebody else want and the game is always always move in the school of fish are always so you have to be ahead of that curve and it's just didn't listen to the instincts yeah. It's hard to see where it's going. Though if the people from your predecessors the the guys who are success when you're coming up where they were headline and you were middle and for them that that was the goal goal was the tonight show. The goal was yet but i don't i don't think is that hard to see future. Not necessarily see the future but see the transit where people are paying attention to. I'm quick to read fast company than i am the variety hollywood reporter because we're t- goes that's where people go on but people go they wanna laugh so you figure out a way with that to integrate laughter into whatever the new tech like this tick tock shit whatever this is. I seen it but i'm not really because that's the next one. Is it the national one where it'll be brought up to you we should maybe we should probably thank you my name. You'll like it's music. It's musical vine in a way. It's it's music sketches but it's still funny. It's entertaining so thompson gird. Does it look all the time he's into it she. He's like ironically really doing it but yeah but he does. Some funny shit are getting he doesn't funding or self aware that he's a guy that shouldn't be on tick tock so his existence on tick tock is what makes it funny and makes it but he's ahead and he's ahead. He's ahead of that curve so the other thing. I think compound guys like me for my generation is that dane in cook was one of the first step i fuck t._v. What's over here and so many people's shit on dane out of jealousy that you ignore the fact that his mass-based moving awesome fucking bullshit it was it was huge. It was huge for everybody. I remember i read people magazine. There was an article about how he had like two hundred thousand or three hundred thousand mice based friends. That's crazy. I remember thinking that is crazy. How does he have so many friends but he was using that and talking to people online constantly lee and rather look at him and see how he did it. You standing your checkout lane and go fuck him. He got out of the store before me well. I shifted and i started promoting on it i didn't i'm just saying a lot of comics. Just didn't you lean on what you're told because you look at older comics as mental instead of realizing that maybe they don't have the shift figured i'd either you should it'd be trusting instincts. He was the first guy right. He was the first guy to really make it through the internet on the digital side you one hundred percent right. I'd say that i can't think of anybody before because i can't think of anything before that other than john who chat rooms no he was the first guy he was the first guy the first guy for sure that became famous from my space because my space was like the first platform platform social network and shit yeah his his album sold two million copies or something retaliate god. That's if you stop and think about how nuts that is today like today. A big artists like if eminem puts out an album. How many does he sell. I'd say four hundred first week maybe three to four hundred. Let's give it a year depending on what week you released and right now. You could be number one with like thirty thousand sales. Whoa oh yeah forty fifty thousand six. They just gutted that record business name that is crazy what happened with the internet. The internet took out porn and check out by the knees. I have a fucking neighbor. He lived right down the street like two houses down from me. This crazy porn dude is digital with them. Twos all steroid it up and maniac. The act is to just crazy coke yes coke and steroids and news just fucking up a storm constantly pulling it was like passes house in a always have these fat mercedes parked in his driveway and hot girls and our underwear walking around scenarious maniac but then the internet came around the the internet just gutted his business gut it and they repossess his house. I'll never forget man. Taste is fucking house got repossessed and i remember seeing it in the like a a real estate sectionals fuck man dude losses house. He had fat fucking rolex diamonds all over. It porn got really really fucked over but you wanna talk about the people selecting what they wanna see. That's what's what's a bigger focus group than people who wanna lenovo jakov barton. They've decided i would rather see somebody in the hood and their house with no lighting and just terrible fucking camera work and and that's interesting is that porn became free and they just used ad clicks and they would just pirate everyone's porn savior porn producer and you're making a bunch of porn they would just take your point and put it on like whatever website and then you would have to get a lawyer to try to take it down. It was like some lime wire to etienne power. It was way worse than god in the entire business. You don't think the free side like the amateur porn. I mean that's bigger now but in the beginning yes it was just point clips getting chopped up and nobody paying forty forty dollars four or five hour d._v._d. You know what i noticed that not that i was doing research recently known i noticed <hes> there's a lot of stepmother porn. It's a lot of like go step. Mom horny step mom porn stepsister. It's all like taboo stuff also a lot of getting caught porn. Yes yes yes. Yes yes yes. The wife walks in the middle. Get your dick and it cuts right there. Yeah there's a lot of that. I did <hes> we did a story <hes> racism in porn for daily show and so we were shooting up in chatsworth what i learned so much about the point industry i didn't. I know that like they would just have a fuck. House was like an eight bedroom house in every bedroom. It's as individual studio setup for whatever genre point that was like at at least five different genres of porn being shot in that house and we're out in the <hes> in my mind. I still have this image that if your point starring when you're working with a point studio there's some bread. There's gotta be a little bit of money and one of the <hes> porn stars was actress. What's the fucking word alert now porn actress one of the actresses her car is blocking someone so give me keys in this car had to be the most filthy saddest this fucking like to the point where i'm like if this would fucking on camera gets you this guy to be something else. <unk> out there and you wanna talk about people that need to see where the curve is. I think if you're a woman you're cool but doing poor and you're probably better off just doing it also himself starting shit than even deal with any of these l._a. Crooks in the first place yeah if you could figure out a way to get an audience. I know there's a lot of dudes who <hes> they they run these companies that girls use where they just the people pay to see videos like like someone will ask you like <hes>. If you're a porn actress they'll say hey. I want you to use this dildo. Oh and cover your tits whip cream and i'll give you a hundred and fifty bucks and then some livestream yeah they make their money doing that and they'll do that all day long and rake in thousands of dollars like the food videos where you sit butt naked and eat some food and you go in with a virtual date with the person yeah i think it's but naked foodie sometimes naked sometimes not and like you haven't outta than asia get a woman's just looking straight to camera so anyway today. I talked to her b-actor it. Sometimes it's just a straight video and you don't get to interact with it because there's multiple people watching the feet how can currently or if you want wanna pay a little extra yeah one on one i will sit here and pretend to be on a date with you and we can and that's just that's more feeding loneliness than some sort of erotic attic desire but a lot of money no khalifa shit couple of weeks ago most. She says she only got twelve k for the year. She only did porn for like a week right or something like that whatever it was it should have been more into cake. That's all she deserves. Would've saved is uh-huh. I don't see the point so i don't know whether or not he did. She put in a solid effort kidding. If you're someone that wants to do porn you would come off off better. Just setting up your webcam like joe rogan yeah day one podcast you and brian would a laptop and a microphone and just turning the a webcam on and just doing whatever the fuck you wanna do with yourself than dealing with the industry y- record industries becoming similar to that too. I think so too but i think that it's hard for them him to find an audience that way. There's so much porn got a joke. I was doing for a while about why are they making newport. Who is jerked off to all of issue no way anyone seen it all but yet they keep making newport. It's like it's crazy like there's no demand like there's no demand for new stuff. There's plenty like you would have to be some kind of crazy. Creep to every point that i've ever has ever existed but it's no different than this people innovating innovating innovate important back flipping and p._o._v. and lucid areas breaking their necks yeah. It's the i think the the camp thing is the big. Thank girls fuck on camera. You know they'll have the boyfriend come over and they'll fucking suck his dick on camera. You pay to watch anything that's that's the big thing and they do private shows and like the the guy could tell you know you could tell the girl hey i want you to do this to him and they'll do it on camera strange you know the funniest shit though so steve byrne i <hes> we were in pittsburgh and three things lead to another and we ended up at a strip club and it's a weekend so apparent i didn't know this but porn stars tour strip clubs and they'll go to strip club on the weekend and dance and sell whatever pocket placebo whatever vagina mole they have and all of the strippers fucking them you really like somebody strip is a coup because oh they bring more people into the club for the most part the men are saving their tip money to tip the point star that they came to see so it's like being a season comic and then the instagram comet comes in who's never stripped before like fuck on camera but it's not stripping what i do as an aww what you do is sleep behavior because you're not like there's like a beef between light strippers and prostitutes because like some strips second fuck in the back of the club and it fucks up money for the recipe strippers that are that. Are you know playing the game straight up so there was this weird tension in strip club by the porn star was on stage and i could i stopped laughing because it was comedy and that's part of streaming to me. It's performance. It's in a weird way. It's combination stripping. It's damaged people entertaining strangers so there's more of a synergy really get anything out of watching strip because in the back go ahead i know you're thinking about groceries or some other shit but it was hilarious comic to watch two different same but different type of before it's like the magician versus the stand up versus the juggler and how they all kind of don't really like one another for one reason or another because they think what they do is superlative to the other guys craft <hes> and it was it was a god damn. It was fucking hilarious inside seen that only strippers can really appreciate what you're talking about. You know what i mean like for them. Now like yes. Those bitches really coming over here bunch of fucking whores. There's there's a couple of strip strip clubs. I used to go to in birmingham where like you know the club close it to and the police would leave and then at three the club reopened and and then it was open season whatever you want to do and then you see strippers in the parking lot yelling at the other strippers choosing to stay for the three a._m. Session in santa messing up and that's nobody comes before two is because of what you're doing and so it's just a sort of three became a brothel yeah yeah since isn't it hilarious that you could fuck anybody you want for free and is not a law about it but as soon as money gets exchanged your criminal criminal and everybody is mad at you if you just a slut no one but if you wanna fuck people for money that becomes a real problem for people because people desire zaire sex so much and so many guys that can not get laid but they've got some money and if they find they pay for it like people i know you can't you can't pay for it. You could pay for everything everything that's legal everything else. That's legal. You could pay for except sex you pay to have someone cook for you. You can pay to have someone rub your back back. You can pay to have someone cut your hair. You pay to have you on you could pay to have someone take your trash. You pay to have someone clean your house all things you don't wanna do you can't pay for someone to suck your dick. You can't that someone could do it for free if they like you. There's no problem. It's very strange or in exchange for college tuition. You can't even do that if you made like a deal. Don't you suck my deck and i'll give you a house. People go. Hey you can't do that. That's prostitution very strange right. I mean think about all all the things we do that. We don't want to do but we do it for money. Everything's fine. There's no issue even think like you know. I grew up to and terrible construction jobs jobs. I've never wanna do you know might be better. Suck dudes thousand bucks then they'll lay drywall fucking carry cement bags all day for four hundred dollars hours for whole week. It's easily. She got that. I used to day jobs. I used to work day labor. When i was on a road is an m._c. So i can make more money like the one advantage to south hat was at the comedy clubs back then we're like five six day runs also work during the yankees. Lobby runs <hes> comedy house theater in columbia. South carolina used to to be a sixth night room. It was tuesday through sunday so i will get to town monday night and tuesday morning. I will go to day labor spot and get a job assignment and worked the whole week nine to five and then at night. Go do my little mc. Bullshit kids need to hear this kid's coming up. They need to hear this. That's important you got. That's real hustling. Do why am i gonna sit here in a hotel all day and do nothing when i could go make a quick like minimum wage was like five and a quarter. There's like you. You're only making forty bucks but that was extra money. Yeah i count on that little extra money and we used to work submit fucking. Oh my god. There's a quick creek greek factory in columbia south carolina and i've worked there. I worked there two weeks at a time anytime. I played the comedy club. I worked at the factory wow so did you have to call them up or did you. How do i get show six in the morning with your with your driver's license and you sign up and you sit in the lobby and you watch the morning news into into your name is called and then they give you a job assignment wow and so you bring boots. You bring a hard hat because you don't know what you're going to get. You might get some keyboard. You might just be outside holding a stop slow for can stop stick while they pave a road and that's your gig for eight hours while you just stand in the fucking carolina heat and just fucking five twenty five an hour. I'd love stories like this dude. That was my first ten. Years was just working day labor. We're jobs to make extra money and if if the gig was under five hours i would drive back home. I wouldn't even stay rocket at the time. I was still working morning radio so if it was within five hours yes i would do morning radio. Get off the air at ten beyond the robot eleven five hours nap. Do the show get back in my car at ten p._m. Five hours back to birmingham a._m. Sleep at the station wake up at six watchman's repeat. Oh i can't lose the radio gig because that's too that was too much much of a good fit and i was doing prank calls and i was using the prank calls. I was taking my prank calls at the time and sending them to other morning show this website website radio online which kind of breaks down someone's like billboard. It's sounds like nielsen or some shit but for radio and so i go there i would look for other local morning shows that weren't syndicated in cities. Were i wasn't performing so i was semi. Prank calls for free to so these morning shows and go look. I'm a comic. Here's some free prank calls we do in birmingham. They're not going anywhere else. You wanna airman omaha the gases yes. He's not getting the shit else to play on the air. In the prank calls the guy that played a prank calls for a couple of weeks couple months and then i will call the local oh comedy club and go. Hey i wanna featuring your room. I'm on the radio and i know i can get on there and this win. The belief that radio still could bring people to the show so call local comedy clubs in cities where my prank calls aaron and use it as leverage to get booked as a feature instead of mc as that's how i was able to kind of jump simple level because i was a feature that was coming in town with the pre plugged in media access and all that shit dude. You're a hustler. You're a real hustler. I love here and shit like that. That was a really do. I love hearing the driving part. I love hearing the day job part. Kids need to hear this all. Are you fucking kids. Listen to this right now to thinking you want a job in show business. This is what comes with. That's why you're so good man. Did that that hustler mentality. That's so important that's important you just network you find people that you can that are as driven as you and then you just got ways to work together and do shit but comedy is so so many mother fuckers allying bro. They're lying also and you lie you. Get the leverage uh-huh and like it's like so the way i got hired on radio so at the time the thought was that mrs two thousand one. I'm out of college and if i can get on the radio the net will give me more access in the city and i can host my own comedy night hosted comedy night. I can offer money to outta outta towners who also have comedy nights and do swap out so i needed to get the the radio gig so at the time they were doing some sort of contest or some shames the funniest birmingham's shit and i missed the window for the contests and so i knew in the long story long story short. Is that go to the radio station. I asked the guy at the time book wile who is hosting a five seven not the same storm book while different buck well i. I don't know any book wile back. While oh different buck wild. Oh okay so. I say hey man. I'm a comic have a degree in journalism. It's a perfect fit fuck with me and he goes now would done with that. We're not going to have a comic. Okay cool not done enough of the comedy club in birmingham to. I know that on black weekends the black radio station hosts the black comedy night on fridays eight t shirts and all that shit so i go to the comedy club and i to- bruce air whereas i said hey i just got hired at ninety five seven and they want me to open for deal yooglie this weekend and he goes okay. That's fine go back to ninety five seven ago. I know you don't wanna fuck with me but i'm open for deal this weekend. Do me a favor watch my set. If i'm funny put me on monday morning it goes you gotta deal so i get to the comedy club that friday and all i have to do is keep book wile and bruce ayers apart so that neither neither one knows right with the fucking lie was right and bruce came backstage and you just as long as you like you belong and you like the truth is the truth you people will kind of merge in with that shit and bruce cameron goes okay book while you go out and throw the t shirts and then you bring up roy and i went out and it was seven minutes but i fucking crush. Just we need that one set to go right in every syllable. Every fucking comma is perfect and demolished in front. Wanna deal hugely and i walk off stage and book while says see you monday morning on as high got radio what we gonna do not fucking book me. I'm already not really working the comedy club. I'm already not hired by you. What does the penalty for this is his will this sly send me the jail no can i. It's a hassle lie yeah. I'm not saying load your resume with fifty different credits that you don't have but but if you've performed somewhere else outside of where you from you have performed across the country yeah. Would you basically like the comedy version of a subprime mm-hmm mortgage loan he sold the house is someone who really shouldn't be buying a house but it worked out and he kept the house. That's amazing man. I came up man because you know i got when i was nineteen so for credit card fraud oh we were still in credit cards in college and like buying jeans and all of that shit so my first two years of stand on probation so when you have that i could've gone to jail or dish it could be a lot worse worse living in the back of your mind forever hustling like <hes> <hes> people gotta hustle. I just like no. This is having a choice. I have to cook and do this. I knew a dude who who is one of the original credit card fraudsters. His name was international sal national sal yeah man. He was a dude who used to come to this pool hall. I was at and international sowell's like <hes> he was a real nice guy but he was a famous loser gambling in that he would make millions of dollars on credit card fraud. He had that an organized crime empire and they would do back in the day. Remember this transparency like they would run your card. They'll put put on machinegun shoop shoop carbon harpen take those carbons people who worked in these department stores would take the carbons and sell them to him. He would take those carbons make totally new credit card out of that kearney says some sort of machine and then they would distribute them to these guys they would buy goods with with this stuff and then they would sell the goods and then guys would come to him in the pool hall with paper bags filled with cash and all he wanted to do was gamble on pool and he could never ever win and when i'm telling you never win that guy was playing with dirty money and he knew it his head was fucked up he would be staring that nine ball would be in the hole and he would be put away from it and you see his hand shaking and we're going to just change us just fuck it up and hit the rail and bounce it off and people go no he missed. I can't fucking believe he missed. An international sow could never win. He could never win but he was one of the original dudes. Did you find something from him. Something very weird just just happened what happened so i'm typing typing international sal right and i hit space bar and two things come up credit card thief and pool player but when i clicked the search for that nothing shows up <hes> like for instance credit card thief and it just brings up a bunch of other stuff about credit card thieves and other honestly honestly it might be because us i've sure but the search might exist because of us because i know other talk about international sal before a four and him being a credit card he's dead. My friend's. Mom was actually taking care of him. When he was in hospice he was he had cancer. He died of rectal cancer maoz. Damn sound yeah. It was bad it was bad. No no i'll be famous pool player. This international southbound famous famous salvatore actual south couldn't win but he was one of the original credit card fraudsters. He went to jail for quite a long time and then got out and doing the same goddamn thing again again was crazy. Though is that when you get arrested especially for light some white-collar shit like that like what they don't tell you about getting arrested is that the first thing they do is trying to pin other unsolved shit on you so before you even like get a mug shot or anything you just go sit in a room and go here all the mugshots of other people. We're looking at for similar crimes. Do you know any of these motherfuckers. Then you get a handwriting sample and then a as in like there's and that's when you find out like oh. I was just a petty fucking teenager that just took credit card to get some jeans and then you start realizing that oh there's an entire fucking syndicate of shit happening in this city that i i didn't know anything about. They're trying to fuck pin on me and that's when the fear setting because i can hear you all right well. I know probably won't go to jail. I hope i don't go to jail. Oh shit. I might go to fuck in jail for some. She didn't do all they don't care the criminal when i got into comedy that was the fucking depression. That was the fucking moment like oh shit. Joey dea went to jail for armed kidnapping. That's how he got into comedy. He robbed a dude dude over some coke with a machine gun taped to a chair and shit and then when he was in jail he learned how to do stand up better. The best cold open to myopic julius gets this biopic. It has to start with duct tape with the duty kidnapping excusable. He took pictures together didn't he put it up on his instagram. He took pictures with the guy kidnapped. He's like thirty one years ago. I kid not this coxsackie friends. That's the beautiful thing. No man is redemption and being able to make mistakes and get back in the mix mix. Some of the greatest discipline people went to jail because like bernard hopkins one of my all time favorite boxers. He's one of the greatest midway champions of all time. Hi and bernard hopkins spent like six years in jail for armed robbery and he learned how to be disciplined when he was in jail and when he got it a jail he not not only did he have like a drive that other people probably couldn't comprehend but he knew what would happen. If it went bad again. He knew what would happen to be slid back down that road again and apparently legs corrections officer said when he was getting out you'll be right back in here and he was like fuck. I will be the fuck. I will be and turn out to be one of the greatest boxers of all time there is joe is with the guy thirty two years ago. I made a mistake so what it's not what you start getting showed up to my show thirty two years ago. I made a mistake so what astonished finish that is crazy. You know that's that's what the whole redemption is about. You know do what you can which is taking chance. That's why i'm just trying to grimala demolish it as a gift. I could have been in prison. This culture reason does not want people to have redemption. It's interesting this culture today once people to be in trouble for things they did in the past. You have to be who you were thirty years ago. We all go to church and ask for forgiveness sunday for an opportunity to be forgiven for what we were week. Well the idea that no one. No one gets a chance to redeem themselves. It's a terrible world. That's one of the best things about christianity is is the idea that you have redemption you. Confess your sins and you move on. I just think that it's all new and i think there'll be a. I think it's all new. I think there'll be a market correction at some point because as a society we are obsessed with who were <hes> credit reports rental rental history drug history employment history saddam. Somebody wanted to get dayton history so i can twitter is just racism racism history or your bad joke history. It's it's it's an opportunity for the first time as a society to auditor past behavior when all all we do is judge who you are now based on who you were. That's what our societies established upon so. That's why it doesn't feel so out of pocket to me that that people do is oh. It's a new way to see if you can literally search your name plus. A word sees it the word and then i will yeah. It's no different than african bankruptcy. Sit correct from. I like how you described it as a market correction because i think that is what's going to happen. We're gonna understand that what we're doing. Now is kind of unsustainable like going back in and judging someone on some shit that happened in high school or whatever it was and trying to look at words you said when you try to make a joke like what happened with kevin hart in apologize for it many times uh-huh and then he's hosting the oscar and they're like look ten years ago. He said this. He's like look. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do the skin already apologized for those things. I'm gonna move on. Sorry and the oscars got fucked up having no host now. Did we get for the us. It could the standards because the emmys don't have a wholesale either good listen in comedy. I love sebastian. I loves bashing but sebastian made me cry. When i was looking at this fucking video musical world award he's going to the lace yeah. He's hosting that shit and there's some thing this is. What comics do we hold the jokes. Nobody wants to make sebastian sold madison square cardinal four times the fuck is he doing hosting the video music awards. Let me sell it out six. Say why else do it whilst jewish. Let me show to you before you for you because judgment go to go to sebastian's page. There's like a thing where he's asking his asking. Jimmy kimmel how to do it and it's like talk. Get out get out. Of course they're forcing bunch. That's not good. That's not ran for him right. No it's not a brand for anybody. There's certain key who else is gonna roast. That shit who else is gonna show a nice guy sebastian roche it look if you got on the first promo. He roasted himself alf for even in the first place. Yeah that's okay. He space rose people like richter vase was hosting something that's different. That's that's a totally and they all get mad at him and he goes after his brand. He is cutthroat shits on everybody cleaning himself. I just i've always enjoyed comics being able to have have that to just go to whenever you look at the history of the oscars. It's almost always stand up a lotta times. I just don't give a fuck about award. Show is so that's the truth. Yeah that's true. It's not even the award host. It's why the fuck are. We doing this thing and see chris rock prepare for these award shows. I'm like your chris chris rock. You couldn't pay me to come anywhere near one of those stupid. Fucking shows opposed chris rock chris rot walked out at the end w. c. p. awards and did a jussie smollet. Nobody else is going to give you an let you enjoy shots different. No other comic is going to give you that that's true. What is the worst possible thing that could be said in this room. Full of black people that whole cam shows sacred yeah fucking say that right to it. You went right to uh-huh. No kevin wanted done that tim winner at the oscars eddie murphy would have done it. Did you see when he did that. He went after bill cosby shot aw this is a quick little but it was great great what he's talking about and then making him giving back awards like yeah <hes> what does who come back from it. Oh jussie smollet you can't right yeah you can come back from the most forgiving genre of people are kelly. Early still sells tickets now. He did come back hard. Though that is amazing kelly so tickets time everybody saw the the piss tape he had supporters that arraignment in brooklyn the big fat one so if you tell me justice malaysian comeback i'm back until an ally on the streets of chicago czar kelly. He's not as good as our kelly kiki cast jesus movie in action little parallel and he's not that anything happened. The problem is that the people that could give him the redemption of some of the people whose trust he portrayed. That's the problem is that you start looking at the lee daniels taller perez and maybe aproval as and the people that are in that world of black cinema. They could get him back in whatever this crossover mainstream world is right so it's about earning that trust again but i think there's no and i'm just saying from personal experience. You know there's never people more forgiving than i think black entertainment. I don't think there ever forgive him for calling himself the gay to part. I don't think gay people for that and that's what gay people to decide talk fans but differently with fucking like i fuck did say he's gone but then you sit down on somebody's ladies couch and you go you know mian the new me now and then you come out with your wife. You do some self scientists ingraham kissing but he's not going to have a wife boyfriend husband. Okay fine whatever it is. Come out and be happy and normal in some level of attrition <hes> he'd have to like explain rain the whole thought process for putting on the hoax why kept a noose on his neck of course talking to the cops while holding the subways yes you gotta get dragged through the mud. Yeah how come on i'll get distracted and get to work and nobody's gonna care five ten years or not. Nobody's going to see a good actor. I thought he was firing. Empire empire was my cup of tea after a couple of seasons but i mean it's fine show. It was entertaining acted. I i never looked at all. The volgin not like looking at it like some self produce netflix movie where i go how to fuck that this get on online online. He's still saying that he didn't do anything right. He's still saying that he actually got mugged happened effort with it. I that's one of those stories where after he got cleared the first time i quit clicking on links and then the city chicago started soon when the city chicago decided to sue him for the cost of the investigators item yeah. There's there's just certain shit. I don't click on anymore. Just molly stories is the moving out when i read it. That's the only thing i need to yeah. I get it. I think i think doc. I honestly feel like there's a way back. Marv albert was right on the back whereas when address so there's a way back detainment and there's always a way a way back for what's his face from the the fucking what's his name the matt lauer so we're back to that guy lugano by dallas when around just me. I don't not on the curb. That's but matt lauer. Do we just got laid off in the room can't be hitting the that's the narrative but apparently all those executives button. They all have that button to ask you did i did i bet they did. I bet a lot of them are sweating out right now. <music> locked somebody in the room. Is there a way back from my lower. I don't know if it is this a long note. The problem matt lauer's. I was talking about this last night. The difference malaysian own here's the problem isn't anything his regular person can't do. He just talks to people he doesn't doing there. He doesn't sing. He doesn't tell jokes he can't paint so he's replaced making motorcycles yeah. What do you do that so awesome. He didn't do anything that everybody can't do everything he does anyone can do. He's talking to people. That's all he does his hi. I'm matt lauer with good morning america. Whatever the fuck the show today so today ratio hello how are you just talking and he's talking as bland and non spicy as possible but in the in the so thinking they replaced him was it was carson. Daley was that kind of who they used for awhile today. I'm asking you wash it in the morning carson daley and my girl jason daily show that was on forever last call one o'clock in the morning that no one watched but it stayed on the morning show for a long time to buy yeah. There's like special pieces yeah. He's been in the mix. Oh i didn't know last call no no. They just turned it matter of fact. They just turn last call over to a new host. They gave it to lilly seen <hes> so there's i don't know i don't know what because here's the thing for there to. It'd be a path back. There has to be what is what does redemption and ownership of whatever you've been accused of because if you're in this goes back to the whole redemption conversation. Is it about your truth always at about the truth of your accusers users or is it about what society perceive you as bright or the combination of those correct because if you don't believe if you don't agree with what you're accusers set to you then you already fucked because that part of the redemption is respecting their truth even if it's not true to you and it's not what you believe happened what went down when you hit the shop like you did to the teacher correct similar correct. It's just hey. I'm sorry right now granted. I don't know if matt lauer saying sincerely what can i do to show attrition to move because now even if you've had that with the with your accusers users society at large gets to decide because the same way society decide who wears the crown and get to decide who take the crown from sure initiate you can do about that right so i mean that's fucked up. That's the game. I'll be saved enough money. He saved the money he made. He was making ungodly. Some what an ankle sprain your money just relax. Go spend your money ego but that's ego in feeling like i deserve to be took it and did it the employment also you get used to that gig of being that guy on t._v. Hello good morning. Everyone welcome into the today show today. We have tom cruise. I never forget him and tom cruise arguing over whether or not brooke shields to take antidepressants. That's a real that's a real clip of crazy yeah yeah they're arguing over it and it's so strange him matt lauer and tom cruise and tom cruise telling matt lauer. He's being glib. He being glib lib matt. You're glib because matt matt tom. Cruise is like <hes> he's a scientologist yeah they don't they don't believe in pharmaceutical drugs. They don't believe in antidepressants or psychiatry there. It is right there. There's a to marketing and matt lauer has got that. I'm thinking because i'm holding a pen and piece of paper war of the worlds early ought doc was a big deal. What's the big deal fucked. Tom cruise's career for a long time. As people like this guy's a fucking nut talking about somebody else's business so we had talked about it publicly he had talked about the mistake. She's making by taking antidepressants. Okay say yeah. That's an then. I saw it on the game well the psychiatry. Psychiatry is the enemy of scientology. They have all these big. Scientists psychiatry kills and it's like someone would would like an electric fucking shock thing and their head going like in hollywood like they're. They're on this crusade against against psychiatry. It's like a big part of what scientology is thing. That makes me laugh is that i don't see a lot of southern scientologists. I don't see a lot of scientology florida the big big things in clearwater on again. That's the number one headquarters in clearwater. That's my sister lives down there. She lives real close to where the the headquarters is. It's fucking weird down there man everybody just they're all walking got a secret do you do you think in this society. Do you think scientology will be the last religion jn create like when you really think about how recent scientology's it's like the nineteen forties or fifties someone like it's roughly the same age as blake united airlines delta airlines like it's an old religion we have videos. Go made it yeah. Will that be the last it's religion that is created now because every other religion is like old school you know centuries and millennia old but no there'll be new ones. The interesting thing is probably the last ones get task tax exempt status because tax exempt status is being questioned right. Now i mean there's people that are very angry about it but they did it because they they all all started lawsuits against the i._r._s. And they started thousands of lawsuits. The idea was that they were going to sue the i._r._s. Into recognizing them as legitimate religion and the way that was just overwhelmed them with litigation still doing what they did. They achieve tax axiom status along time ago. They're very it's a very strange <hes>. Do you ever read <hes> going clear. I saw the h._b._o. Thing it's the dacas has great. The book is even crazier because lawrence right goes into depth with all these different people that would like as they were realizing that it was worshipped as they were getting like the the ninth level of doom papers opened up its handwritten nonsense by a retard like that that guy who wrote it was he was self he was like self diagnosing oh sing all of his his own personal ailments and dealing with them himself and then trying to pass it off as like a way to live amongst all these people were paying attention to him but all of it started for him from himself. Diagnosing is it is it natural for scientologists and i'm only only know what i know from that doc doc and leah remedy lifetime. She is it natural to not be like the way christian issues openly christian just hey how you doing lord love jim here to tell you about about jesus. I don't really feel like you get that from scientific like normally like watching that doc. I didn't know the do from chicago p._d. Used to be the gritty yeah yeah detective guy yeah. I used to be scientologists like you'd never find out that somebody was into that shit until after out of it now. I think people keep it talk where they ride the bikes with the fuck. The deal is right yeah now. They keep it tucked in but i think back in the day they used to talk about what is open the pod. They would proselytize they. Try to get you to join but how late just come just trying to get people to come to these events. Try to get people to come to these free workshops all these different things on anxiety different things on the mind dianetics. That's what he decided to write about dianetics. I like the science of cleaning your mind and avoiding all external influences that are negative and that are ruing your your perspective and you should be commercials official's for the eighties and nineties. I bought it. I bought a dynamics book list with the volcano exploded commercial. I remember everything man. I bought tony robbins shit about all kinds of bought book of five rings fucking art of war. I bought everything i was just trying to figure out what the i was into psychology when i was young because fighting reading all the time and i was always scared so it was trying to figure out there's gotta be a way to overcome these mental hurdles like does that was like for martial arts competition. The big thing was the fear and wasn't your physical ability wasn't as much of a hurdle as the fear. The fear of competition was terrible so i was like but sometimes sometimes i feel confident and it'd be great and other times. It'd be fucking terrified. Gotta figure out how to be consistent so i started getting into all that kind of stuff and and then when i came to l. a. it's like ninety four. I saw dianetics commercials at fuck it. I'll order that way. The question juice seat the answers to hit his is can word said during an operation harm you later peach one eighty two. Is it possible do increase intelligence page one twenty two. I was like oh my god ed yeah look at that entente taunt dianetics fuckin- volcano takeover yeah i was thinking that i was going to be able to figure out all my mental problems with this book and then i got on a list and like every week i got some new workshop to go to or this just miller ellis male just mail because it's the nineties that's all they did which is male you shit and but oh my god i got some wanted. This wasn't until i moved one of the reasons. Why when i moved wbt didn't ford my mail. I contacted because of dianetics. I'd give so much from them real. It was the fucking that much that shit was so much shit. It was like letter after letter more than most restore also turned freaking me out that they knew where i was like bothered me. It bothered me like you bother me because i was on a list. I wanna list of someone who bought the book but didn't go to any classes and they knew i was like maybe i could get him. Just not going to store. Hey do you want to clean up your brain. Hey come on. We've got the solution. Don't you wanna be volcano the scary bro yeah that's scary. A lot of people get sucked into that man. I met quite a few people that were scientologist this. I was in the summer. The <hes> a call at the you can do it motivational stuff. I remember in high school. <hes> i j r._o._t._c. commander commander who used to he used to make us wash guy. Things name was bob moawad moawad imo w._m._d. Mowatt if i'm not mistaken his vietnam vet and likes survived like a terrible white phosphorous grenade accidents like get fucked up real bad in vietnam but was now doing motivational speaking and once a month we will watch videos at astute and like it just starts in a way like if you get into warned you can kind of start getting in line with the next next and i think before you know it. That's when you into dianetics land for. You've really like you can find someone. That's meaningful with a meaningful message and then as you progress more and more is i agree with less and less of each author that i'm starting to fuck wit and so it ended up buying a lot and then i think dave ramsey started financial shit yeah well when i was twenty one who knows i starting to do comedy. That's what i was really devouring as much of it as possible because i was trying to figure out how to not be so lazy how to be motivated how to get shit done and how to find the correct path and think about things correctly and so i i that's what i'm really just like. Minature says <hes> yeah i would follow all his personal power workshops he would do like little notebooks and chetan. Fill out and things to talk about things to concentrate on like if you did do it. It would help you but really what it's all about. It's getting your shit together and moving. Just go. Do something like what you did by taking a job when you would show up at a gig again you'd be working there tuesday through sunday and then take a day job and work nine to five that is more hustle and more hustle mindset than anything. You're ever going to get out of an anthony robbins book. I doubt is like just doing it to doing it. Makes you do more like do more. Hardship makes you do more hardship understand that you want it bad so you're willing to put in a work. You can do things you don't want to do. It's what makes you have that confidence that you know how to push through and the the the mentality that i'm the type of duty. Get shit done like i'm gonna this show. I'm not gonna waste my day just sitting around a fucking hotel room now. I'm going to go to work. I'm gonna work all day. I'm gonna drive five hours and keep that radio gig and dry fires and spent ten hours of the fucking twenty four in a day in a god damn car ford for do gigs ford focus. Just two gigs keep that radio. Those things are ever gone on yesterday this guy dan crenshaw. He's a congressman is also a navy seal. We're talking about mentality. I'm like when you went through buds is it do they teach you so how to think or do they show you by example. They don't teach. I think they just show they harden new to all that work and throw that work that insane hell week all all the shit that you have to do when you're going through buds training six months of breaking you down and building you backup. They teach you could do anything just by my making you do anything so you will understand how you can pass your limits what you thought your limits were are. No longer your limits. That's what i feel is missing from a lot of people that are getting into motivational this motivational. They doing shit you. Gotta go do something. That's the number one thing right. It's fucking action. Take action and do you believe that people that aren't successful as you think they should be qualified to be motivational speakers no no most eh yeah. Most people who are doing motivational speaking should stop. They should stop you just robbing people. You're not even motivated yourself like i wanna. I wanna wake you up at three clock in the morning. Go come on man. We're going running like only. Let's see what you do when you're tired. We see how you push yourself. Come on man get up. Get up again tomorrow. Get up again tomorrow. Get up again tomorrow the next day. Get get up. Get up. Get up. Get up going. How long can you maintain a positive attitude. Where's all his teaching teaching people. You can't do shit yourself. They need to show people that you could do do the best motivational speakers to me are guys like david geoghegan's because that that guy that that isn't that fuck in that coin right there. The guy does it every day and he's got videos. He just did a hundred mile race day. Put up the results on instagram seem showing up twenty two hours. After the race starts he finishes one hundred miles allows like those type of people those remote if you ever you ever seen goggin inside rampage pro. He's a fucking animal could get ads on a coyne. He's an animal each is he's got. The world record <hes> chin-ups in in twenty four hours. He did some preposterous number of chin-ups. What's that. I believe he was speed recently. Somebody beat him. I think so yeah yeah he's but it's those type of people those are real. Motivational speakers 'cause because they're actually doing something. There's a lot of people that are teaching your motivation. They don't have a business they don't. They're not their business motivation like it's a weird business. It's it's like yeah. It's teaching them how to drive a race car and you never drove one see and that goes back to the whole for me the whole new york versus l._a. Thing comics six us burana the comedy just doing <hes> like when you see dave attell like you'll see davidson february. You'll see him do twenty minutes right and then you'll see a._m. In march you see him do a totally different twenty and then you'll see him three months later and he's taken to pieces of the five minutes i twenty and put it with a new killer fucking thirty now but what happened to the twenty. Oh yeah that stuff wasn't tight enough and end. Is it but this joke. This is any breaks down wide. That joke that you love doesn't fucking matter to them because it was to get to this <hes> like that. You can't teach that you can't explain it but you can show it and then i can go home. Go fuck. I need to write. I need to go back and look at my shit and figure out a way david tells one of the rare guys that became an alcoholic sobered up and got better right like usually the guys who were drunk or fucking hilarious and then they stopped drinking and they get boring he got the opposite he became a way way better comic tighter and just punch lines and people say that about him and they say they will not sobered up and went clean these better know that he was worse yeah yeah. That's what usually happens happens everybody happening. Kennison happen to bill hicks happen everybody. I never not necessarily hicks. I never had alcohol love alcoholic. I'll drink here and there but i used to get pissed in my twenties when i would go on stage drunk or tipsy or whatever the fuck and then after the show people will give the liquor credit for me being funny and it used to offend me so that's why i stopped drinking. Wow fuck gave credit to the liquor is so funny when you this. This is funny. You should drink more or you know these road rooms. They'll sing you shots right because you're onstage with jack and they've associated that is part of the also you lose control audience. At least i do what i'm up to drinking because this in a shot someone else a shot and now it's a fucking big. It's a it's. A pep rally started performance when people are sending you shots. That's a disaster. That's a disaster because then everybody wants send you then what am i doing in my performance that made something cool to do that and that that would make this experience better for everybody bert kreischer. Turn it into a party. Take your shirt off steinhauer each other shut the fuck up and get this chisel shit out of my mouth so so it totally changed how i you know and also alcohol makes me sleepy and then too much driving wins and stuff so i can't beat drowsy hit at home so it was just never my thing yeah. It's a tricky one man because like one drink loosen yup two drinks. Oh uh-huh now again a little silly three drinks now. You're kind of drunk. You know when you could still do it but is it as good as one drink. No it's not but once you get one drink and get happy you want another drink another one and then next thing you know you're a little rock and you're on stage like at that age now. I can't remember what comic did a joke like at this but maybe a couple of them but we're before you drink. You have to look at your schedule for the next day and a half right to mention the bounceback recovery and all yeah. It's not just go out friday. It's what am i doing saturday and sunday. You're a goal oriented. Guide seems like goeller into people. The alcohol is one of the biggest biggest impediments. You know the craziest thing the only thing i'm never been able to make proper time for my career is exercise is really yeah. Why not i'm not good about exercise. I 'cause trainer. He's got money because i don't have time. There's the time and so in my brain it will. I mean when i was in l._a. Ahead of training i got to new york and then it's it must do this. Must right must watch the video. If i exercise i will be too tired and then productivity will go down when i know deep down when i exercise i'm more creative creative the brain juices shit work but it's the only thing that i've never been able to like properly regiment in my life well. This is how you fix that force yourself like we're in august okay. We have <hes> what six days seven more days august something like that. What is today ten more days the twenty-first so so we have ten more days of august ju just say at the end of this fucking month. I am going to have a trainer. I'm gonna work out three days a week with trainer period. This is how we're we're gonna do it. Write it down and then just get it done and force yourself for one month for one month for the month of september for that month. You have to work out three days a week and you write it down and in publicly stated so that you can't back out of it. Put it on twitter or put it on instagram. Take myrtle shirtless pictures of my gut. Just profile sure everyone's little clown but if you do that you'll force yourself to do it and next thing. You know you've done it. You know like i have this dog that loves running and so make sure or that if i don't take him run and he's he's always pain in the ass. He's dropping the ball on the table trying to get you to play like he's a very energetic dog so like that motherfucker makes me run run five days a week five days a week i get up. Come on. Let's go. Let's go he goes crazy starts running around in circles he and then and then we go hit the trails. Is this the dog that you saw what was it. What was it a snake or some shit. You ran over while you're jogging one day like dog. That was a different dog yeah yeah. That was crazy man. I jumped over this log and asthma's dropping over the long. That's how rattlesnake it was. Fat dude like my forearm. I was like fuck doc on the biggest names. I've ever seen terms of rattlesnakes. It was big six feet long big that is a big fucking snake and it was just laying flat out out on the road like a stick just warming yeah and the dogs went right over it. They didn't even notice it because it was just completely flattened out. I was literally in the air <unk> over it before. I'm like oh my god. That was a different one man. I killed a bunch of rattlesnakes always in those fuckers. There was one in my neighborhood real recently where there's a video of a bob cat and a rattlesnake duke it out in the middle of the street fucking mile from my house. It's crazy easy out here man. There's a lot of weird wildlife out here. You know california's got weird wildlife. There's a lot of shit out there a lot of bob cats and outlines outlines. What did we have down south. We just had squirrels that was only it's only real passion. Cobras shit coyotes now coyotes are everywhere. They've coyotes and every fucking state. Rainy states probably eating them fucking coyote. Oh yeah for sure people eat coyotes. Somebody coyote right now right now. We're someone listening. The jerky not bad guarantee. One of your listeners knows a person that makes coyote jerky probably yeah i'd try that shit. My friend steve ronel. Who's gonna be here tomorrow. He cooked ada coyote on t._v. They wanted to see what it tastes like. Fucker trailed near san diego size of the fucker god. That's all curled up and ready to go to work to sprawled out as a society yeah well. These mother fuckers are everywhere to and and we need them by the way because that's why there's not as many rats and rabbits and shit so whole beautiful ecosystem. Have you heard the number of rats. They've found out in l._a. Recently the story about last night. It's disgustingly scar all at the comedy store twelve million over twelve million. They're all the communist twelve. There's about one point. Five percent of the matter have this disgusting gusting diseases and instead. If it hits over two percent it starts spreading into people around good times play bro. You got to move to the mountains. Yeah man moved some bro yeah. She made it coat too simple. They can can reproduce sisters mom that sisters and fathers and yeah yeah no problem. They have this mutation. Is that true the they don't have a problem they can really agree must just station off. Jimi pregnant three months pregnant again. Did you ever see that a documentary on netflix that rats documentary no woo ready for that one. That's a good one to write that down. Talons freak you out because it details they catch some of them and they just run tests on them and this is in suburban atlanta and they find all kinds of crazy fucking diseases and they have manhattan they show all these rats scrambling over garbage and into the sewer system and the show how smart they they are the young rats to test out poison and the young ratzel eat the poison and die and then the old rats okay we get it and they're smart dapper yeah man they're. They're clever. I mean there are the most prevalent mammal in any city. If you look at any like adhered numbers we're gonna. That's a hustler the right there. There's more in new york city and then they're all human beings. I think there's more biomass of rats than there is. Biomass of human beings so means the wait yeah just wait wait of volumes. True shirvani might have made that up but the the biomass of <hes> mean in the just the sheer numbers. It's there's not another animal that you can think of that's like that. What's the estimate of anywhere between eight point four million million in two thousand fourteen the way up to thirty three point six million rats in new york city cheeses. That's more than there are people for sure. Eighteen million god god rats documentaries amazing man there vectors of of diseases. They've always been been carrying disease. What's the number of rat was the rat infestation looking like in countries where they eat rats though interested disease fucking countries eat rats. He knows where shit you ever seen those temples in india where they feed the rats. The rats are everywhere. Do that will give you the he sees. These people are drinking out of like bowls bowls of milk that the rats drink out of scoop it up. They have all these rats over like literally running sacred or is it. Just we were state. This is your grip either rats. They feed them this. What do you got here. Jamie was rat temple speed up ahead. You could see what it's like. When all the rats and the people interact there we go they put out food for the rats and the rats. You could pick them up. I mean the rats of zero fear of people and in fact they're like they get along with people so so this is like a temple that you visited india and fucking rats are everywhere and everybody treats these rats with respect very coexisting yeah so the reason why rats are scared of people recognize that people want to kill them because they carry diseases but in india they just got a totally different vibe going on so look like those pigeons are hanging around those rats new orcs city rats hunt pigeons. He rats drag them away like whoa have you seen the video of the pelican pigeon swallow. We'll i saw pelican two duck duck pelicans assholes assholes dinosaurs look at these fucking rats man under every well. That's where we're headed. Rats rappelled witkin rats in new york. You think he's got to be normal. I mean people are going to try and stop them out and poisoning the intrepid and all of that but at some point just gotta go man. They're maintaining right now. You can still go to restaurant still go to the movies still go shopping. It's all normal and there's millions of rats running underneath your feet under the ground. What's what's the plan. What's de blasios plan but little definitely rats fuck plan kinda plans you know he was corrupt. Cops care of all all the problems with the streets can take care of all the crime taking brad problems plan all these studies in e._p._a. Motherfuckers do do they have how much money is de. Blasio have like how much money they have to spend on things like rats. They really don't have any budget. It probably doesn't present as much of an ominous threat crime or bridges and you know tunnel shit and knowledge infrastructure. Probably it would have to be a pandemic disease which as genuine it's there. We have medieval diseases showing up here. Now that loose trash in hollywood or in downtown l._a. With all the homeless almost people it's fucking crazy because people are literally just shitting on the street to shitting everywhere the homeless situation in downtown l._a. Scares me more than the rat. Situation was the numbers o. Do you need to send us a thousand. Have you ever driven through skid row. Yeah bananas right yeah because it's close to fashion real this. Are you into fashion no but was over there one day this thousands and thousands of people just live on the st thousands thousands like like a whole gigantic theater sells out and all the people pile out onto the street but that's why they live. That's what it's like. It's like people go into the verizon center. Seven thousand people you find in a few streets and they think the solution solution is some sort of hospitals or something star trying to good lock. These people have accumulated. They've become accustomed. They've that's their lifestyle like this. It's not what they want for sure but they're accustomed to being homeless like they've acclimated to that world and they've lived in many of them for years and years and years go to places in shelters where they get food. They sleep out on the street. They have a whole community of people that are out in the street. They're all doing drugs and most of them are psychiatric patients half of that's a a lot of them. That's the thing that really folks me up with. The homeless population in this country is it half of its then on some mental illness ship. Maybe some of them. Their family just can't can't give them the care they need. If they got the care they need. Maybe they could be a little more level enough to at least be under a roof with a loved one or somebody that can afford to you know yes asked to take him in. No i think you're absolutely right and in the nineteen eighties some of them have problems that are solvable yeah some of them but some of them don't have anybody to help get through the problem. I mean and then things deteriorate get worse and worse and worse as you get older. You lose hope and then you say this is me. This is who i am now. There's there's there's like there's. There's like this weird thing with the homeless as well where i feel like as a country like we were quicker to help people in groups like like in a weird way. It's still fucks me up and it's going to come out wrong but if there's a natural disaster the amount amount of money we will pour into relief and support for particular area after the hurricane or the tornado whatever and that's fine that same type of outpouring happened just once for the homeless coast-to-coast it would change so much fucking shit yes but if people are fucked up in a group <hes> at once bryant then it doesn't it doesn't resonate like when you see a single homeless person or the news just shows you the role of tents yeah you don't see the person crying crying with the bubble behind him and they've lost. Everything doesn't for whatever reason it doesn't connect to say no. You're absolutely right we need if if something like katrina happened depend or giant earthquake then we would realize we have to do something but if there was no homeless people and then all of a sudden something terrible happened and there was twenty thousand almost people wandering wandering around downtown we would immediately go. Oh we gotta fix this but it's similar low sort of effect. It's similar similar to how much we we spend on other countries right how much money we spend on aid how much money we spent and we don't fix inner cities that have been impoverished since the fucking eighteen hundreds we don't ever we're going there and try to solve problems. I've been saying this forever like if you want a better country. The best way is to ensure. There's less losers and the best swayed insure. There's less losers is give people more opportunities and fixed places where you have no chance. I mean how many people that grow up in in neighborhoods where they have no. I know chance get out. It's like it's a tiny tiny fraction of people that wanted to become successful unhappy. Most of them are trapped by the environment that they find themselves. Just by uh-huh random roll the dice they wind up in there in detroit and they're in the worst neighborhood in detroit or they're in the south side of chicago or they're in baltimore or wherever the fuck it is and then no one does anything to fix it. No one does anything to change it but if there was no place like that and all of a sudden the disaster happened and then there was a place like that then there'd be outpouring of contributions would want to do something to try to fix it yeah. I just think that we live in a society where it's just the people in power our know that if you help the people that you've been oppressing then you run the risk of facing raff. Must they have power. That's what it is to some degree. Why would i if i have an opportunity to make something better and people are labeling me as the fault for you being in that situation in the first place then i run the risk of losing power because those people are gonna come get me. They're gonna vote me out office so it's it's about about aligning your views choices with the people. Just keep your office yeah. I guess i would think that in today's day and age people it'd be more sort of forward thinking and they would think look. We got a lot of problems with the environment. We've got a lot of problems with climate control like we've got real issues in this world but we also have problems that have been here forever that no one's done god damn thing defense so these new i'll go the oceans rise in the oceans rise and what are we going to do like what is it's gonna affect. All these inner cities these inner cities that have had the same problems forever. She looked the problems like murder. Problems country like the the places in the inner city where we have like gang violence and murder and drug trafficking and the same fucking problems over and over and over again year after year local nelson. There's no no effort. What do i gain. If i'm if i'm a politician and i'm empower would do i gain by helping those people. Well you get more people that do well and you have a better economy and you have a safer society and people look at you like you're a real leader like like wow mayor would would. He did sure if they give me the credit or let's against politically spun the wrong way or some shit yeah but i mean and then i'm out. That's the case with every single thing a mayor or governor would just i don't know i just think like politics is concerned. We're more inclined to vote in. Do things things that serve our own interests. First politicians are more inclined to do to enact policies that serve the interests and we're more inclined to vote for things surveys interests so the two things work against each other and to work for the system to work got the vote for things that are for the greater good even if it means sacrificing position in the process and that's what i think a lot of politicians don't do but i think in this day and age <hes> trying to help impoverished communities but now there's an awareness of how long stuff's been going on and how how do you know when michael would <hes> juniors michael wood junior yeah he was a cop of baltimore and <hes> he <hes> came across <hes> this this paper from one thousand nine hundred seventy s detailing like a rap sheets all the problems in in the area and all the different crimes and he was realizing this is in the two thousands. There's like these are all the same places with the same crimes that we're handling now so here we are thirty plus years years later the same exact crimes in the same exact places like the feeling of like futility the handling this the fact that no one gives a fuck this has been this way forever and nothing's being done to do anything other than just continue the process of arresting people letting them out arresting people letting them out and then it's just chaos. I'll give you a good example of self interest so in newark new jersey right now they are facing water contamination tamil nation levels that are higher than flint and there has been cover. That's where i was born so well. I do get your shit checked parent to it's in the past. I think it's like past eight years or so. They're starting to they're starting the pull it the threat now and figure out oh what the hell was this what's going on with the water and it's all these people are getting fucked up the people who covered it up those people in office who could have made the decisions that you that you're saying to not fucking fucked up water. Get into the water table so if a corporation says hey man uh home what about that dirty water his money some campaign proceeding i think so i mean you got to unravel the store. You gotta see how it unfolds but if there is a cover up up a cover up only happens if someone has more selfish self-serving intentions in mind yeah like the core base of a coverup tip is to fuck over somebody who doesn't deserve to get fucked over yeah so off that alone the choice you're making isn't for the greater good of the society or the pride or you're like the way ants ants do so when it to flood you've seen the fire. Ants make the float yeah. That's what that's what we have to be. We're not going to be there because nobody wants to be. The aunt on on the bottom drought and mike drowned and can't get back up to the top time yeah. We don't. We don't do that well. I think there's also a sense of futility like there's a lack of resources to handle. Everything's just just take take what you can handle what you can and keep moving and then just get the fuck out of newark. I mean that's how how people look at it. People look at those neighborhoods like a place to escape not that any. It's anything that could be fixed yeah. That's what i that's what i struggled with it with birmingham in terms of going back home and trying to do things that feed the neighborhood positively because i feel like i never had that growing up like you know. There were a couple of people you jackson you. Charles barkley's they come around and you know give a high five to kit or two but to be able to do things things that create opportunities so the feeling of hopelessness or whatever isn't always there or if there's one thing that can be big. Sean did something that was dope in detroit one hundred thousand dollars down on a recording studio in to help underprivileged kids have access to just fucking just record just to do something that makes things better so the problem is that in the process of trying to give a fuck it stressful and there are people that are pushing working against you and you could easily just go to sleep in your bed comfortably at night and just not care but i try. I do as much as i can back home but the idea of getting the fuck out. I'm always torn on saying i'm gone. I'm if nothing else i can pay my bills to dying and i think my son could go to a decent deficient to school and be fine but if i'm not using my gifts and all these advantages to try and help them better other people somehow than i feel like i feel the city. Why feel like i failed where i came mm for so i'm trying to figure out how because i've never i've never seen is someone that gave back will attempt have to put back into without it costing them something in the process as well right. I see what you're saying like. You'd you'd have to make a big sacrifice in order to help help and you'd have to take time. You don't even have time to work out. So how the fuck do you have time to go and save birmingham. Yeah that is a problem. I mean you have ban with threat to a certain amount of bandwidth in your brain and how much of it can you dedicate to charitable things. How much can you dedicate your career your family dad. It's the constant process. I mean i think it's the job of people who are running cities and states and the the country but it's about how much resource how much resources they have and how much the delegate to fixing these problems that have existed forever. What i've learned is <hes> i learned a shutdown we shot <hes> shumur comedy central pilot in birmingham <hes> the some which was not an easy feat in terms of the logistics of it just birmingham's not a it's not atlanta. There's not a bunch of fucking cameras just laying around but you start seeing how different entities of at the state level and local level leaving the county level all have to get a little touch all have to have a hand in it somehow also the everyone feels like they are all part like you have to police too many people at the same time to get anything to get anything remotely done. I don't know i can't speak for the rest of the country but i know in alabama. That's generally how it is. I think that's generally how it is with all politics i mean everybody wants a little bit of credit. Everybody wants a little bit of a saying saying farm but the credit but just help yeah credit help like do this logistical thing to help like that's the stuff where nobody wants to really. Oh you're not sure if anybody really has genuine intentions on helping <hes> yeah because not everybody's happy before you shit ever when you think about charitable organizations and you find out how much people are making to run those charitable organizations in thousand ships and how little little the money actually goes towards the charity like jesus like i know there's going to be red tape and bureaucracy but it's red cross isn't it some insane number like how much money from red cross actually goes towards the actual charity itself. I'm going to save ten percent that might be generous but that is a a crazy number that ni- caused ninety percent of all the money that comes in just deal with overhead sticks and moving stuff around and that's why that's why i kind of like go funnies because you can find them. Fuck and be like here yeah. Here's one hundred dollars real problems. What do you got jamie was was the number with guests type that in and it's like stories come about the c._e._o.'s been serially misleading about where the ninety one percent of money that they says goes. I don't know so so it's less than ten percents nine percent ninety one percent. There's ninety. One percent goes somewhere other than the charity so it's nine percent. No i think they're actually saying ninety. One percent go to the charity. We're very proud of the fact that ninety one cents of every dollar. That's service is what he said. Services gas come on silly she that do the deniro deniro's suing doing some lady that worked for him that washed fifty five episodes of friends in a week. No she embezzled money allegedly embezzled basil money. <hes> took us his miles to fly on our own personal trips megan three hundred grand a year but the the big story of the click bait tidal title was he sued for six million dollars after a wild friends been fifty five fifty five episodes of it in four days two thousand eight so that's d._v._d.'s in two thousand eight that is hilarious so they're still going after it eleven years later five. Oh she began she was his assistant in two thousand eight and then and then okay she began as deniro's nears assistant and she now is being sued so she basically got to a place where they're working together for eleven years eleven years of employment deniro robinson orbits and rose to vice president of production finance according to the suit which lists or two thousand nine hundred our three hundred thousand dollars she finally left the company in april after being suspected of corporate corporate sabotage said the legal filing and she embezzled money and chewing grazing. You know what's the seven hours a day. That's fourteen episodes. That's doable well. It's doable yeah four days. I've been twenty four and like a day and a half the whole whole season becca d._v._d. Box set days also a a good show. It's just funny that at all the shit that this lady did apparently allegedly the fifty five episodes of friends the ones that became the headline that everybody had a click on because that's the funniest shit also watched twenty episodes of arrested development one day so she just sit around watching t._v. Wash is supposed to be doing like maybe maybe she's doing research. Maybe she's waiting around for something to do. What did they were. Project needs friends. Yeah research can forecast let to neo projects three even around. I mean well probably trying to figure out where all this money's going because he's getting divorced right now so he's probably yeah man. He's getting divorced. There was some public public spat at a restaurant where he yelled his wife. I wouldn't have to do these shitty fucking movies of urine spending all my money yeah ooh. I always feel bad for people like the cubs second baseman bins overseas. He's been like i don't know what the physically unable to perform like. He's basically been on the disabled list the entire season while he goes through and deals with this divorce. Oh god divorces some serious cherish even to go make millions of dollars playing baseball. I can't right now. I have to go to court count my cash and make sure that my shit is disabled. Shit has just dealing with the divorce yeah. It's i forget forget not even a real injury no real injury. I guess technically as many girl taken apart his puzzle uh she's doing. She's taken apart the puzzle of his life. He's forcing them to go through. I think it was like infidelity or something. I had a buddy of mine who he he had to pay for his wife's lawyer. You don't even think about it that way like if you're married you who's paying for her lawyer but bitch. You're paying for her lawyer. If she didn't work you pay for the general of the opposing army to try to dismantle you financially in. He didn't have a prenuptial agreement so he went to war for fucking years years years and years and years and they were trying to drain them and the lawyers are smart man. They know that the real settlement is great but with the real money is is in legal fees leading leading up to the settlement this drag their shit out for a couple of years hundreds of dollars an hour touch on just hang hang hang next thing you know you've lost millions of dollars hours and this guy you know buses asked twelve hours a day forever lost. Almost everything still to this day. How about this. He's been married for a think. He's been married for fourteen years to a new woman. He was with her for twelve years and he has been paying her alimony longer than they were married while he's married to a new woman and didn't even have kids with her so he's been paying her for fourteen fucking doc in years. I'm talking six figures every year. She doesn't do shit. She lives in a fat house in the palisades. The whole thing is but nancy to see larry. King is getting worse yeah. I don't know he's had his eighth wife love it. I hope he gets another one. I hope he gets another one in a skeleton and an exo skeleton. I can't prove it but i feel like the divorce lawyer. Industry is tied to the wedding industry somehow somehow they don't have to be tied in like legally they know they both did it from one another of course yeah of course look at that perfect relationship how to go wrong wanna know well. Apparently that was infidelity as well allegedly no way. I can't believe she done him on his her side. Apparently jet a year long affair propping that one i know she looked fucking hot twenty years ago. They got married because she's like fifty nine now. So when they first start shacking up she was in her thirties probably looking smoking. She's pretty pretty lady. You know you think that's an addiction love the same as any other drug shore of course yeah. Most people lose when you're talking about getting married seven times abs- yeah gets a little wacky. He's had marriages that lasted less than a year. They get divorced marry another one. I i would get married married. I think once i if i do if you do me i got one in me. I was proposed to girl like oh three the biggest mistakes almo- almost like how'd you get spanish. He was cheating. Ooh that's nice. It's a relief yeah. It was a day when you share cell phone plants and she kept pushing us over our minutes for the who the fuck are you talking to so the next month. I requested the full itemised. Call back in the day sprint with send you your entire call log for and i just went through it and then i could see the patterns of when i was sleep or when i was on stage you you could just see that when it's all in front of you. It's easy to just see the all yeah when i go to work at six a._m. The called this guy wow <hes> <hes> yeah and it was real easy to try you confront her. Yeah i was i was a little extra about it. Ah fucking young called <hes> a call sprint and the the <hes> basically turned my phone into her phone. Oh shit shit and then i started taking a dude's oh per phone how many get and so i tell both guys to come over at the same meantime to the sort of which is so my caddie and of course they show up she calls me curses me out and boom bam relationship. Oh oh so you told them to come over while she was at home but you weren't there correct warlike it no that's devious but in like in the bigger scheme with things if it came over and hit her o- or done anything stupid i liable hell yeah no not liable for someone at least will charge you a murder for somebody shot their laws not that that's not deceive two men to showing up to the fucking house and he got remember my brian going. Don't go back to jail every so okay in my brain i'm going. There's something that could have that could have gone south somehow. I don't think you would have got in trouble for either way. I wouldn't want i see what you're saying of course of course jealous or whatever yeah he's other one who's cheating on yeah and i had my little seven hundred dollar engagement ring from zales thinking back. This is what i learned that if you return and engagement ring sales person loses the the commission oh they take the commission back out of the next check because set wasn't upset but he spent like an hour and taught me how to return to school. Go think about him and go think about it. Did you tell them all. She's fucking two other. That's ultimately what i did and what's that process it would no fucking just took the l. No push back yeah. There's a seven dollar cups probably going to be like what seventy eighty dollars didn't wanna give eighty bucks respected. He's hustling agila in a mall yeah. You don't wanna lose your fucking commission. Yeah those are bad decisions. Being made by jewelry in a mall is crazy to it's. It's more like it's like joey. We're like she and ireland couva really yeah. She's married like at home. It's all love now well. Oh that's good look people grow and learn larry's though that you did that yeah that was that wasn't my finest hour but like i said i'm not a fighter rider. I figured out a way to diabolically constructed situation and terrorists down your entire fucking operation yeah. That was a good move. That's a learning process to damn. How could i be so what i'm gonna do drive over and cuss you out and grew. No no no no no about each other yeah. It's time for us all to meet so ooh. Hey man come on over to the house. Hey man you come on over to the house. Don't come to soon. Come exactly at eleven. Wow call sweden. We wanna be there no longer some explosions. You've just got to walk away from now and i wanna be there for that. One where god's i've never that's something i've never lived down and then it just it was just ugly. Little things where you just go you know. Maybe i should have done that a mom's calling me the next day. We just talked to talk to the baby boy now man. I can't like it was it was full blown bro. I'm sending pictures of the fucking rain and types. Oh you gotta extra yeah it was it was not it's not my finest hour but don't you think that like those brutal breakup and all the chaos ask of infidelity and all that kind of nonsense like it gives you a better understanding of relationships when they go well it gives you. It's all like life life lessons like you don't get to be you. Don't get to be a seasoned grownup. Human being without getting your heart broken a few times without having a bunch of things going disappointing appointing in your work life and then then you become a person with an understanding of all the variability that you're dealing with in life. I think the problem though you know what love is that it also can be corroding sense where if you've really been invested really tried got to love and then it didn't work i think like i feel like if you've been in love a couple of i. I also feel like people get married sooner. There's something more more pure about it but people get married later more honest yeah. We're like. It's like this blind level. We've never been done there. Oh my god the sky's fallen versus your grizzle that you've been cheated on. You've cheated so you know both sides of the coin. So you know height feels like you know both sides of that so when you enter into to a relationship it's more pure but because you have these battle wounds in these battle scars i dunno if you love the same as the couple and they get married in their twenties. It's still hands on who you're with. How much appreciate them. It also depends on where you're at in your life like if you got married now. You're a successful man. I mean you did all the grinding in the hustling hustling but someone would be entering into your life now while you're already made it you're successful. You're established the hustle of getting to there's airs now. It's just about a about maintaining which although difficult you have the confidence that it's going to happen that you don't have in the beginning the early days hustling when you were taken taken those odd jobs who the fuck knew where your life was going to the beautiful things about it. There was gigs. I was headed to didn't have gas money to get home in the gig. I was going to was the gas money to get home so please don't cancel and please don't pull some some black promoter shit and don't pay me like i literally need those forty dollars. You have no way to get home. Wow how sometimes you don't get paid and if you don't get paid on the way home you stop at a daily work spot and you do some yard work. Whatever yeah you go do some daily work real quick for the day you miss a day you mrs shift at the radio station colorado social. Hey man. I got car trouble and kentucky. I can't get home missed a morning. Show sorry and then you go do some day job. Get your forty dollars at home. That's but that's a real life experience that you just can't pay for. That's so valuable valuable the fact that you did do it even though it was horrible when it happened like the resolve that you d did you develop from being that person who figures your way through all those problems uh-huh so it gives you got married now like you're a different person like you could. You'll figure shit out better now. It's like yeah yeah. Yeah you also so you also learn how to communicate better so that it doesn't devolve to a point where either you were being malicious to each other. Yes it goes way better. Communication in any could have imagined imagine with anyone right yeah because of those experiences and learning yeah yeah. That's that's the part we try to fucking correct. Within as always is a piece of you is like do you ever find. I guess i can't ask you this as a married man but you find yourself sometimes looking at past relationships like jokes we go out. I know how could have fixed that one. Oh yeah for sure yeah analogy. We have now of relationships and love yes. I can look back on stuff that i fucked up and go all i have to do this and that joke could hit yup that would damn yeah so that eats like the way like when you do a tv set and forget one part of the joke and now for the rest of your life nick. That's the set up that to you. Are there's a p._c. That's going talk. I should have done that but that's uh of growth is like you have to leave behind. These poorly finished projects to to appreciate the one that you're gonna put out next. It's going to be the best version of it. I i look at every fucking special ever did go even if they were successful. I have nothing to do with them. I can't watch them. Fucking get disgusted. My first is to special should be combined into one look at the material that segues within that yeah cut that out put this in there yeah and then there's old specials said ooh so. I'd like to have another crack at those ideas. Those are good ideas. I just didn't implement them correctly. So why not move on kind of move on if the idea is still invalid mortgage you get trapped. You trapped in old ideas. It's out there done new shit find something new that resonates just as well in the future. Has this stuff does to you. When you look at the past i feel like i have some unfinished thoughts from the last special of course but that that desire desire that hungers. What makes you a great comic like that saadun. Oh i got to do more how this has got to be better next time or it may make it tighter. Make this better more punch. Punch lines less less fat. All that's what that discomfort in angst is. What makes you an artist spotlight trying to do stuff that has some teeth edge or so paying being into it trading and stuff that i don't know if you should go that. No let's figure it out. There's there's a joke in there. Somehow when you can navigate those waters successfully fuck man you get on the other end with a big laughter who it's whitewater rafting and there's just rocks coming coming and you're going left right yeah like this guy calling out how to do the job and you navigate your way down iraq's. If you make it is the most you're rewarding that for me is better than just something more mundane. I just can't do it. Yeah yeah when you see people that are doing the same mundane shit over and over and over again you. They don't know what it's like to have that thrill they're. They're basically getting on a fucking see-saw every day the same see-saw over there's no thrill and that no you're not four anymore. There's this too many thoughts out there. That's why i love talking with. Neal brennan like neal brennan is like one of those perfect comics that i can like go. Hey man what do you think about this and he'll tag it darker and take it to a place that i wouldn't have even considered and you know you start noticing. There's only so even if you have a bunch of comedian friends there's only certain france and understand how or which way you're trying to go with the because someone asked me give you tag drifts off into easy land and i don't want the right right right. Yeah no neal's a great joke writer and his his his shit like i like. I like watching him work out premises because you know you talent like he's put some real thought and those idea it's. It's an it's the thesis statement. That just happens to be really breaking it down. I like the ones where i know that it was an argument that you had with a girl they bring it into the stage and try to work it out and make it funny because if you have an argument with a girl and then she comes to see you at a comedy club a month later and that argument gets related to the audience and it's fucking hysterical you win. That's how you you win. You fucking slam dunk. That is a fucking grand slam. That's shatters windows in the parking lot. I've never had the courage to do. It never occurs to perform in front in front of the state never done it. No art you gotta you gotta take a chance and then being really manage. You need get off state. Example it wilson vince is another guy that i like talking to who out of new york and the premise the joke premises that there are no hit video games set in vietnam like that's how much we don't want to that's true. World war two right and middle east is just yes. We only want to discuss where we win. That's a good point joint been games in view of course there's some video games but as far as hit popular twitch level ninja shit right none in vietnam and then wilson i told wilson premise and he goes that and he says that's because if you plan a game based in vietnam you can't win even if you want to even when when you win you still lose and it's taken that thought and figuring out how to weave the but like that's where friend can help me work through an the idea but then somewhere come the trick is to come around the backside of that and make sure that you're reinforcing an uplifting people that chose to fight and trying to it's a whole world that i'm just obsessed with. I don't know i it all boils back to the whole trump draft dodger thing in the hypocrisy that if we agree that the troops oops are fucked and they're treated horribly then how is draft-dodging bad and that being the the thought as for vietnam war we all agree was terrible war. We didn't know at the time and some people chose to go but a lot of people threatened with jail that they didn't go so so if you did not go based on revisionist history was that not a solid decision in terms of avoiding and so it's about getting that thought through without disrespecting the heroism of what happened so tricky waters this fallen tree water rafting on the rocks so i haven't you figure that those are the those are the basic lego blocks and figure out how to get down the river without fucking hitting a jagged. Do you write in like essay deform. Do write things out like with a computer to derail once. I have the idea together. I just go loose on stage. <hes> i'll go. I'll just run a bit a couple of times on stage without any structure we are any real structure just bullet points here. The four points yeah do that for week. Listen to the audio audio the stuff that's hot transcribed and therefore make transcription start filling in the blanks of how to flesh out the thought in the point a little bit more like i like but then some stuff requires research. There's a bit that is a bit that i'm working on now about how how the most important a person the most important character in the civil rights movie is the white person is the evil white actor you cannot have powerful civil rights when without a white a person being evil so these actors and never honor their never nominated for shit light of civil rights movies only as powerful as the white actor factory as evil because that captures what was fucking happening back in that day so i need to sit and physically go to box office mojo and look at the last ten years of civil rights movies versus civil rights movies versus by save movies and pull actors pull examples and then look at that and then go to there and look at their trajectory po civil rights movie to establish a pattern of if you're white person you evil your risk because my arguments that you're risking your career. You're if you're not an actor and you plan a racist. You may not do shit else at the because for black people say it's too real so we can't see the you was fucking romulo in a star trek movie years later. We're unable to process. Oh so that joke. I have that idea and i'll just work. That thought got a couple of times but now before i put stage again i need movies. I need examples to backup diesel statement so that's what i'll start riding in really start looking at all of these examples and i also have like it's in the same ballpark of that is about how like people call like green but like a white savior movie in how this movie is about white people doing the deed for black people back in the day and black people don't like white savior movies because it avoids the pain in his struggle and all that shit and i feel like white savior movies just reactionary to powerful civil rights movies because nobody wants to be portrayed negatively actively so if there enough of rights movies that play white people as evil. It's inevitable that a white person's gonna write a movie about remember that time we drove around the play the the panel it's inevitable we chicken and the job so don't just say all that don't just show those evil things we did. Let's it's also acknowledged the time we drove around and i think if i go back and look through the history of the box office over the last twenty years i guarantee you able to find oscillation between clean powerful civil rights movie and white savior movie and when you write that you're just gonna write bullet points and then just running on now we'll we'll do bullet points of all the movies and then so the next age is i'll do all right all those movies out and i'll go on stage and do half of those movies once at the next set out of the other half of movies and see which ones resonate the quickest quickest with the audience because they're not all going to be timeless classics right some of them going to be even woods but like mississippi burning like like malcolm x and driving miss daisy. Yes aso's too perfect examples of conflicting films in the same year so i need iconic examples like that where everybody knows the move correct what i haven't even seen it yes yes so that's trial and error so that just has to go on stage a couple of times and then what i know what the movies are then. We write it then verbatim that shit really fucking. Get it worked. That's that's black belt level comedy. That's black belt level. It's like you have to you have to have like this is not something that's obvious in front of you. You have like a scaffolding and you're trying to construct this and figure out a way that squeeze the most juice out of it. That's that's that whitewater rafting. It's so so rewarding when that gets pulled off. I just feel like if you look every genre in it's not to defend a white savior movie as much as it is just show fuck. It happened yeah. This is why black people in the nineties like boys in the ninety s that was the era of shoot them up bang bang hood classics and some around ninety five ninety six black cinema became much more positive and reinforcing and it was waiting to exhale and poetic justice and above the not above the rim. What's the other one <hes> love jones and love and basketball like there were all these more positive like that was indirect reaction to not wanting to be perceived and portrayed constantly constantly in a negative light so i could probably go deep into the fucking weeds race by race on cinema like i could do all the asian movies with crazy rich asians <hes> as the counter to that but it's not necessarily asian save like there's no. I don't know how to connect it it but i believe there is a way with all of these cinematic movies to connect it all together and at that point you probably got a twenty five minute bit that you know needs to be shot down to ten to ten yeah but that's how you build all you build the whole house and then you just start chopping off and when you do that. Are you writing it out do do you do you ever write things out while asking essay form because one of the things that i've found that has a great benefit as i write things out not trying to be funny instead of just writing out now in a way where i'm trying to be funny i just ride out like i'm writing an essay like writing an article for magazine and then in doing that. I'll extract chunks that are funny because i find that when i'm trying to write as a comic i'm trying to write setup punchline. It's to defining it's too limiting but when i write in an open form warm than funny ideas are in there and i just come out and pull them. Do you think do you think part of that is having the advantage of the audience being with you immediately when you have your audience. You're afforded that opportunity to because it's weird because the way we bill material now. I don't think that's how you did did when you first start. It was more about just the joke that joke the joke. You had to be had a gain. Their confidence right that was the thing is like you had to start strong. You gotta have a good opening bit. You couldn't fuck around two months. Have confidence in you like this is gonna waste my fucking time you know they. They just see if you're on a show when you're when you're an amateur mean it's fucking ten other people before you. You have to grab them. Grab them. You gotta grab show them that you have something but then once you become an established comedian the other problem is you're working with a bunch of other established comedians like say if i'm working with you and then this joey d <hes> and you know all these other fucking people that are going on murdering and then you go up with some bullshit. Oh shit new stuff like that. Stuff has to be ready like having an established audience is great for a couple minutes and then you better have some shit yeah yeah you know. It's almost like they have. There's more expectations so things have to be more tight but some people don't do that. Some people don't do clubs anymore. Were there working with a bunch of people they don't like the store or the improv where they're working with a bunch of people instead. They do their own shows. They do their own shows only to have the same opening act all the time the people there to see them and it's a low bar. They don't have to worry about it as much. I think that's that's a mistake but i think the essay form. I started figuring that out. Maybe be ten years ago. I started writing things in essay form. I originally stood at blog posts outright blog posts and i'll take those blog post house extract ideas from them and then make it into comedy comedy but i feel like the writing without the limitations of it needing to be funny is where i get the most ideas and then you also have the most truth as well yes because because i'm not just trying to bullshit people for a laugh trying to find out like what is it like if that premise of the white savior movie like what is it about white people making these moves like what are they. Are they trying to defend something or they're trying to exonerate themselves. Like what are they trying to make that movie as it just a feel good is it their are distorted idea of how to bring everybody. Together is the show that some why people really good back then he even the bad times. Look hey good job michael. You know good job will like everybody did a great job in this movie like what what is it that the the motivation you could find you know you find those those gems of humor those roots roots of humor in that. That's what i'm that's what i'll i'll. I'll try that. I'll try writing writing and out more before putting it in writing that way because i don't have have to do anything. There's no expectation like it. Just just thoughts just spilled the dots out and then you get absorbed in the writing and then in that absorption. You're you're a funny guy <music>. You're always gonna think funny thoughts. Those funny thoughts are gonna come out. When you're talking about something like what the fuck was this guy thinking and then go on this whole rant about this thing that maybe if you didn't give yourself the opportunity to sit in front of a computer and just stare at the screen and stare those keyboard. You probably wouldn't come up with that. Premise also <hes> once once. I have the joke in decent shape. Even if it's kinda loose i start watching myself on mute performed light ago from audio go to wants to joe cash structure to video and then just watching myself on mute and just seeing body language and his see does does this look funny. Does this look that's interesting. I've never feel for and i think once once identify where my community transfer it's quick spastic movements but not a lot of stage talking. Walking mistake doesn't work for me. I'm not chris rock so operating market three foot box to either side of center stage and if it's in head but nobody if i if i take my head one way then bring my shoulders instead of bringing my head and shoulders at the same time on turn is if i'm caught while i'm contemplating a point <hes> something as simple as that for me helped jokes and then i can go back and listen to the audio go back and watch the video and see where i'm getting laughed just off movement and i haven't said a word yet and for me. It's quick movements and facial expressions. Those that are extra little occurred at the extra season. That's shin then you know once you kind of get the joke in a good place. Where can we add a little season and is it a vocal affliction. Is it coming down on this part. Is it looking this way then looking that way for like almost borderline performance like acting shit but you're just looking and finding places where the emotions can change and not necessarily on this line. I do this thing <hes> but it's just oh this part is funnier. You're if i'm not as excited here like foxworthy says watching bring the funny told one or two <hes> contestants. If you start at tenth bring the funny. It's it's when competition comedy show. It's it's last comic standing but with sketch comics austin there as well so it's not it's not strictly stand up it's sketch and variety eggs and all of that type of shit but the same shit you go out in front of three judges. Somebody crushes your dreams. You talked shit about it behind. Their backs uh-huh kicked off the show but he tells somebody wants to start at ten. You have nowhere else to go so i try to keep that in mind in terms of just not being too big too so just shifting gears. It's <hes> it's a fascinating process and we discussed this on the show many times before that. There's no books books that can tell you how to do it. The only way you get like one of the things that's really cool about. This conversation is young guys coming up. Young girls coming up one learn how to do comedy can listen to your process and they'll get an idea of the map ahead. They'll get an idea of the road because there's real. There's no courses you can take that are ever going to prepare you. You have to find established comedians medians and listen to them talk about how they do it and in a sense what we're doing is we're laying down like sort of a course for for the upcoming incoming class for the the people that are starting out now. That don't really have anyone to show them how to do it. They can cut a lot of time out by listening to a guy like you who who's explaining the mistakes that he made and then the good choices that you made and then your process i'd tried one of the tricks that i had early on was to just avoid wait topics than anybody else who's talking about and then even if the joke wasn't the funniest. I got credit for being original now. This will work for every comic but i know coming up early two thousands thousands in the back half of the deaf jam era to be a black com- if there wasn't talking about fucking and sucking and we'd and you've been so broke i just i didn't touch none of that. Shit yeah so to a mainstream book. It was just oh wow he did a joke about suicide. Okay that's right yeah. Look him with such a setup jokes that it was just weird off brand shit but still find funny in that the such a temptation to pick on tried and true tried improve in subjects because you know the work scared in the beginning right yeah you start us. I feel like you start as a weird image like my early. My first two years of comedy was weird. Martin lawrence doug stanhope hybrid child. I don't know it was terrible very terrible but i started noticing that when the first thing i needed to do with the first objective when i got home john was i all the road booker said you gotta get a t._v. Credit you gotta get a t._v. Credit and then i can pay you more all right well. The only thing that was booking people on a regular comic view so b._e._t. Comic view became the path but then i didn't get comic view like two three years in a row and i looked at the material i submit it for materials being performed. It was guys during better versions of the same topics as me so this year. We're going to try doing different topics from everybody so i'll watch comic view for a whole year kept lauck doc of every topic that was touched on every episode and just never did jokes about those topics so you actually wrote it out. Yeah everybody come came on every night. Though yeah i remember back in like two thousand two thousand one came on monday through friday and it was six comics episode so every week you had a cross section fiction of wh forty motherfuckers but talking about for twelve weeks as shit tana comedy. It's the shit tana topics and you'd be surprised a lot of repetition and overlap so by simply really not talking about that shit. It's enough to get you a little bit. It's no different what's happening now with all-seeing. You're just a different deliver. Your different cases. You have a different being being different is almost as important as being funny now yes. I don't think that one. I don't think that'd be indifferent should be prioritize over being funny but if you're different anger fucking hilarious thing yeah people appreciate for sure just like any other jon rao of art music or cinema anything being different is reward and that's why i've always liked phillips really yeah i just wanted to do the and kate was never ever typical that just all right. That's at minimum. It's different so he's challenging themselves so i'm going to try to so that's what's like the avant got theo comedy like you can't imitate that like the only way that shit works is audio's mouth doesn't even make sense coming out of someone else gets a laugh on. He gets a laugh on the setup and he gets a laugh on the paws and the pauses that anticipatory gate like you already they already know it's going to be good and he's he's good man. Yeah he's real. Oh good and i watched that guy tournament about two three years ago. He he just hit his group full mullet he had a mullet before but it was he he just got on that groove like whatever it is that made him he found what it is. They found the frequency and then you just hit into it and very very very original. You'd never hear you're him talking about like stuff that other people have talked about. There's a new york garlic that mark norman martin norman has away sure a lot love. Mark norman pivot is coming on soon. 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#1189 - Alex Honnold

The Joe Rogan Experience

1:51:23 hr | 2 years ago

#1189 - Alex Honnold

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Download the cash out for free in the app store or the Google play market use the promo code Joe Rogan, all one word, you get five bucks. Five bucks goes to an amazing 'cause. My guest today is probably a one of the most maybe the famous most famous free solo climber. Maybe the most famous climber alive. He has a movie out right now, it's called free solo. And he is a fantastic inspirational, wonderful young man, please give it up for Alex. The Joe Rogan experience joined by. Cast by. It's been a long time. It has been with the guy like you. It's always nice to see you're still alive. Best you tired of hearing shit like that on our Kerman. Do you get tired of the weirdness of like interviewing with people? And they're like, you know, you know, you could die is a scary. Yeah. Yeah. That's all right, though. I mean, the thing. Yeah. That's funny. Tearing with the film, even doing Cuny's every night, and you get the same questions from audience all the time and part of that is tarring, but then part of it like some questions because they're obvious because everybody wants to know this. And I'm like I understand that one of the weirdest. Parts of the film is when they're showing all the guys who've died from free soloing and their though actually they didn't all die free soloing. Oh, that's actually one of the that's probably the only thing that takes light issue. The film slightly hyperbolic two of them died base jumping in one of the rope jumping they all were free Solis. Which is kind of what the film is saying that they're all free Solis who have died, but they all died in the mouth. Uh-huh. Doing mountain remitted extreme activities. That's not that doesn't make the story is good. You got. That's like poetic license. Yeah. To got sneaky. Well, you know, they all were for Solis. But yeah. Yeah. That's not the same though. Yeah. No, I prefer the other way to look at. It is the no free SOLAS has ever died. Doing anything cutting edge. That's my favorite cystic with. With like, no free Solis has ever died doing heart Solan, like basically free a few free Solis of died falling off easy, turn or just following sort of routine, or you know, I don't know just falling off the mountain, but none of them have ever died while doing something cutting edge, something that had never been done before something those hardcore do you think that's because when you're doing something that's a little bit easier. You relax, I think that's probably part of it. But also, I think part of it is just a numbers thing you spend so much time doing stuff and so little time doing really hard stuff than just sisters. How much how important is it? When when you're free soloing to have that edge to be like really talk cognizant about how intense this is like if you got to calm, too, relaxed. No, I think that's I think that is kind of the concern for sure, and I I've noticed that in for myself anyway, and I try not to do very much easy Soling anymore because there's a certain complacency that over time, you know, you just do so much mileage on easy terrain. And then you're like this is so easy. This is so easy. And then you slip, and you will, you know, you know, fighters look at things that way to a certain point in their life. They don't want easy fights because they need to get challenged. Otherwise, they won't train properly. And then they wanted the blues ING too yet. You should take seriously. Yeah. Well, the difference between a fighter say when they're not trained and not in camp and just their skill and what their body can do without without going through a camp is probably only like seventy percent of what they are. Are when they actually go through everything with full intensity. Eight weirdos two times a day, you know, physical therapy massaged, visualization conditioning, all the all the things that make them who they are the day. They step into the cage like when you free solo. It's pretty that's that's yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. You saw the film. That's all exactly level for that went into it. Do you take time off before a big free solo you like the the audio milk? No. It's the opposite is sort of ramping up to it. Right. But do you is there any concern that maybe you haven't given yourself enough for creative time like the for the day of nowhere? So for me. Anyway, it was always sort of the opposite. Because the real challenge of free selling is, the psychological side the mental side of it. It's not so much the physical like I don't necessarily have to physically perform the absolute limit of what I'm capable of. But I have to mentally perform at the level. And so in the mental side of it comes so much from confidence and feeling feeling prepared. And so I don't know. So when I when I first saw it, okay? I kind of knew that I wasn't actually like I'd probably already started to decline a little bit physically over the course of the season because two months, and he somebody's just kind of grueling on her body. Like all the time. I spend going up and down on the wall and preparing it's very tiring. And so I. Kind of realized that I was starting to get sort of deeply United sort of a week away from having started the slump. I know I'm kind of pooped, but the thing is I knew that that because of all that preparation, you know, psychology. I was as as good as I was ever going to be. So even if I was physically starting to be a little bit tired. It's like time to you know, it's kind of the the different curves you have to hit it right at the moment. Now is your psychological preparation. Just you getting your mind into it. Or do you have specific techniques use or form of meditation or anything that you specifically concentrate on when you're visualizing success or no when it's not even necessary visualizing successor is visualizing for me is visualizing the experience like sort of imagining what everything will feel like imagining what it like to place my foot on hold or what you know, grabbing like the sensations of it. And the exposure of it, you know, thinking through what it'll feel like with so much air around me. No hope you know, just the basically to make sure that nothing surprising. When I got there to my hands or swimming. Talking to. I'm not kidding feel that feel that. The fucking gross, right? As clam. I realized like when I'm talking I'm thinking about doing this. And my hands are fucking sweating gay start thinking about thousands day or nearly. Start thinking about chalk and powder, and that shit like that God damn dude have you ever gone to a sports psychologist or have you ever like actively tried to coordinate a program for mental training or anything like that? No, not really. I mean. So with with reselling, oh cap, I found that I needed to create enough space for is not so much mental training, but but create enough empty time. So that I had so that I was able to sort of process. So I don't know. So stop on Email. I raised my social media like sort of freedom my life, and then actually my girlfriend left for sort of the week ahead of time. So that was just totally by myself and my van with nothing going on like no distractions, and so that's not exactly mental training. But it was giving myself the free time that I could just sit around and think about things I could process like it in my own terms in my own time when. When was the last time, we talked how many years ago is that so long affiliate at least four right? Oh, no is like six or seven. It wasn't. I think so I think it was like two thousand twelve hours and during that time how much has changed in your life in terms of the way, people perceive what you do in the amount of attention that you get. I would imagine that having that alone time now he has much harder. Yeah. Notoriously. It's it's funny. I mean, I've tried to not let my life. Get busy overtime. But it just sort of naturally happens. I mean, what would success? Yeah. Exactly moretons, you know, when I was breached out to reach out to you a couple of times, but I was like skies probably getting fucked with all the time, someone's probably always poking at you. And you're just trying to get a foothold like literally just trying to hold on. Now. I mean, I mean, I I appreciate all the opportunities that have now. And you know, I mean, I'm very happy with the way my life has changed over time. But certainly when I look back at ten or twelve years ago when I was just a single twenty year. Old man living in a car. Like I had nothing going on. You know, if if I had like one interview in a month, I'd be like was a big month for media, you know, and then now on the film tour. It's like completely outrageous totally other end of the spectrum. Now when you do in this film to win it one is a film, actually, come out films. It's in theaters now, but you can't get it on itunes yet. Is that what it is? So yeah. So so so it did a month festival circuit in, you know, earlier in the summer, and then it came out in theaters at the end of September. So right now, I think this weekend is widest released four hundred theaters all over the country. Wow. But and then in theory, it's through national geographic's. I think it'll be on television on the channel at some point. And then eventually it'll stream somewhere, I don't know is this strange all this attention. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's in some ways, it's a natural extension of all the the stuff. I've had over the years. You know, like having a sixty minutes piece and many years ago was a bit of a low was a flurry of attention. And so they're kind of sort of prepared me in some ways, you know? But yeah, I mean, it's I mean what you've dealt with Israel life minutes. Yeah. But I'm asking like an interesting. Yeah. But I feel like comes with what I do. I'm in show business. You know show biz this. You know, you're you're a climber. Yeah. And the most radical kind of climber free solo you think when I think of what you do. I think of quiet tension. Yeah. That's that's kind of fair. Yeah. Because it should be should be sort of meditative and relaxing, quiet. But then obviously, you're also sometimes straining your entire body, you know, like trying very hard physically. And why I remember one of the things you said to me the last time we talked was that it's it's very mellow because if it ever gets intense. Something's gone horribly wrong. Yeah. No. It's it's still feel exactly the same way. I mean, that's. Yeah. That's always the challenge is to keep it. Keep her relaxed the for guy like you my perception of a guy like you who's that that person who's doing that activity than to sort of juxtaposed that with this media tour type environment and dealing with all these people that that seems to me like it would be really annoying. I mean. Yeah, it's very different than my normal normal lifestyle. I guess, but the thing is, you know, it's sort of an adventure. And it's an experience I've been I've been kind of calling it a expedition film door because I've done a lot of expeditions in my life. Like last winter, I went to an article for a month, and and it's not exactly the type of climate. I normally do and I don't really like being cold sort of like, oh, it isn't once in a lifetime opportunity to go somewhere. You know, it was like going to Mars or something it was this totally outrageous experience, we're climbing big rock walls on in an article. You're just living on the glaciers, totally different. Totally crazy. He camped out on a glacier in a ten on a glacier from when you do that. How how thick a pad? Do you think? And a very very thick sleeve. Meg do you ever get warm? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In your sleep meds, a negative forty degrees even bag. I mean, it's pretty general. But but anyway, I mean, so that kind of experience, you know, in some ways, it's very comparable to a film to or on my this is going to be a once in a lifetime thing, you just embrace. It you go with it. You know, it's different than the way. You normally choose to live your life. But that kind of makes it interesting. It's something new why can imagine it'd be very interesting. Yeah. The Antarctic thing sounds like a trip. Yeah. Like were you traveling on a established corridor? It was no it's was some people had climbed in the region before. But but we actually did tons of. I like roots and summits that had never been climbed. Why? Yeah, it's pretty cool. Now when you do something like that, do you map it out in advance? Like, I mean, we're not really because I mean, they're photos of of the formations and people like I said climbed some of them. Some Norwegian said sort of pioneer area in written a book about it. But but then it's not until you get there that you can really decide what you're going to climb and how it looks. I mean, ultimately you have to look at the rock and see this climate goal. And so you basically just have to ski up, and then touch it and see what you can do to climate. You ski up. We are to you're living on a glacier ski everywhere. Wow. Cool. I did I did a month wearing only ski boots or climate shoes. Why or my bedroom slippers on camp? Would you feel like us, actually? The end when really thick socks, and then keeping everything as warm as possible. But but yeah, I mean wearing climate us in pretty chilly. Actually, there's a film about that coming out in a couple of weeks. I think as part of the real rock, dear it's like, a big climbing film festival thing or film to her that sort of shows around the world, but so it's like a forty minute short. Thirty minutes. I'm actually I haven't seen any of those shoes that you wear on a normal climb are very flexible or those loss tvos the area. They're very the almost look like a sock with like a rubber bottom to it. We could really kind of grip. It depends. So some are super soft like that it depends on what you're trying to climb that some are really rigid. So that you can step on a really small holds. And it supports your foot. So like what I was wearing free soloing. I'll cap is quite rigid. Actually, it's like a board like a platform. So that you can put just the tip toe on something really small on your focused. Stay flat. Mollica mountaineering type of boot. Yeah. Kind of but still also very precise because the mountaineering you think clunky in big right climbing shoes like a ballet separate like precise and tight, but then also rigid sometimes. Yeah. And then also, I don't know, you know, when you're climbing cracks you put your foot into the crack many target sideways to lock it in place. And so the stiffer the the shoe is the Mark, and, you know, the more that you can lock the shoe into places pose your foot, you basically have to use fewer muscles IWay. Are you starting a trend? Are there other people that have following footsteps now, actually what what do you think? I think probably. Yeah. You think a you? Honestly think that? Yeah. I think there's probably some people that look at what you're doing. And the young kids that think it must be a, you know, I here's what I think. Most people look at the path that the average person takes in life. You know, a sell cars, I'm going to be an insurance guy. And they look they look at it like, it's death. If they look at a kid a young kid who's like enjoying. Playing with his friends or doing sports or playing video games or reading comic books. And then you look at what could be the average path that the average person takes in life and sitting in an office all day and fluorescent lights, it looks like death. It looks like a slow aching death. But then I look at someone like you and Mike. Wow. This guy is living special life is a specialized. So ideally, those somebody would look at it and see that like this is somebody living a very intentional life for having chosen a certain path. Yes, not necessarily free selling. I mean, I would love to inspire people to leave an intentional life that they care about. Yes. I don't necessarily feel like people need to go free solar. Right. Well, I think that's that's a very good way of describing it and very good way. Putting it because I think most certainly have influenced people in that regard. But I think also people must be influenced in in the sense that they see where you're doing is man there's moments that you must experience. While you are climbing, these incredible faces that are kind of magical when you're up there you're thousand feet up there. The view is fucking spectacular. And you're doing it. And you you get to the top of these things the rush and the feeling of accomplishment in the U fauria and just the glory of nature from the specter of yet this. You could fuck and wash your clothes on the sweat. That's in my hands right now. Man. That's fucking pictures. Insane. We're looking at what is the name of this photo? Jamie is the enduro corner mock-up. That's actually, that's the movie poster do fuck man that is so so that that that is not sitting in a cubicle that is not fluorescent light with that. That is the end of a very long path that you have to choose and really, cultivate, you know, I mean, that's that's for me twenty three years of sort of going in or twenty two years or something of going down and various specific path very specific. And you're still a do you have a different van? Are you still on the same van? I'm in a better man than last year. That was pretty sad. And to have a house now. Oh, actually real. I live in live live in Las Vegas now. Do you really? Yeah. Las vegas. Do the best best four season climate in the country real Las Vegas. Yeah. There's climbing everywhere, and it's super excessive oil, and it's easy. And it's like cheap cost of living easy. You know? No traffic like everything is easy about Vegas. That's cool. Yeah. Whenever I go to Vegas. I was looking at the mountains outside of the right there, and nobody even looks at them from my driveway. You can see two thousand foot walls. I mean, you can be climbing on a two thousand four long twenty five minute drive twenty address. That's interesting. Yeah. A lot of people like to run those mountains to run those hills. It's a lot of trail runners that live in the as well, totally. Yeah. The west side of town. You're like in the mountains. I mean, I can go mountain biking. I can go hiking. I can go climbing on twenty minutes Vegas is kind of misunderstood place. Really is everyone just thinks the strip. But it's like it's not really the strip. It's like the mountains all around it. Yeah. But this is like in a bowl of mountains. I mean all sides of it are surrounded by nouns. We'll Nevada in general kind of gets a weird because of yeah. People think of the desert in Nevada. But really is mountains. I mean, it's like series of mountain ranges all the way across the state. Yeah. Really is. I have a buddy who lives in Reno. He lives outside of Reno. And if you went near where he lives you'd be like where are we call Arado? Exactly, exactly Tahoe. His right there and young Truckee Donner. I mean, there's a bunch of commentaries, right? They're they're great for skiing. All winter. It's prequel. How old you know, on thirty three. Do you feel any difference in the way your body responds to doing this on a regular basis? Now, maybe a little bit. I hate them getting old and everything. But but I think especially right now at the film tour of the amount of travel like a more intentional about my diet and stuff now and trying to get sleep and things like that. So in the ten years ago, are you just eat a whole tray Oreos and be like, all right? I feel great. Let's go climbing gym. It'll be fun. You know, now, I'm like, oh, man. I want my green smoothie wanna get my night's sleep. And right know, I saw that. You're you're not eating meat anymore. And that you eat a lot of vegetables. And do you get your blood work done or do you? Do you work with nutrition est? No you. Yeah. I'll good. Yeah. I mean, I have cheese and stuff. And and and I mean, even me so I gave up eating need for environmental reasons, mostly like, basically impact on the earth. And so I'm not fundamentally pose like, I'll eat meat from time certainly for for cultural norms, like a, you know, as in Japan earlier this year, so he fish there. But just because I felt like it was part of the sort of Japanese travel experience. If someone hundred would you eat it. Yes, sometimes. But the thing is I just don't feel like I need to intentionally kill another creature for me to survive. And so if somebody who's going to go hunting for me to eat, it'd be like, no, it's fine. Right. Right. But then like on an expedition Antarctica a bunch of random Mead. Just because it's like it's already there. You know, the other team members of already brought it. I'm sort of like, well, I'm hungry right over right? You know, mollusks are actually a good thing for people to look into that are vegan or vegetarian and they don't want to eat meat because they're actually more primitive even than vegetables. They're not. Yeah. Like, clams and scallops during credibly primitive. They have no feelings don't feel anything. They've no. That there's an argument that could be made that plants communicate far more than mall looks like lobster like always tres rather muscle barnacles. Yeah, crunchy, but there's a protein to them that similar to an animal protein, but incredibly primitive I mean insect protein. I think it's sort of a potential future of humanity. Yeah, I'm not fundamentally opposed eating insects. It's just you know, they're rarely served. But I would I would just imagine that particularly as you get older like nutrition would be a major factor making sure you get the proper amount of essential fatty acids and making sure that cause your brain must Billick you have to fuel your brain in terms of like giving your your brain, the building blocks for neuro transmitters, and all these different things that you're you're using. When you're you've got this intense concentration for many many hours at a time. And you're not eating. You're doing these things sometimes you do stop. And you eat something. I mean, you have to. I mean, if your phone or something hours, sometimes it'll bar are, you know, nut butter, Fairmount or. Yeah. Those F bombs you ever take those that has what is that other great? I have a whole box of them will give you some. They sent him. Yeah. It's called the it's called f-bomb like fat bomb, but it's all like nut butter and oils. And it comes in a package is ripped the top of the package off in squeeze it in your mouth and three s morning. Oh, that's really good. It's really healthy sitting around to have them in the back. I finishing. Yes. That is it tell Jeff there's a box of them in my office over there floor. Where the boxes just go. You can run in and grab him go run into that door a run into the office door and like sitting right in the front of the right hand side. There's a box of them yet. That's exactly what I'm talking about. The nut butter the shit. Oh, those things I eat like three or four of them in the morning when I'm out headed out the door with a Cup of coffee now. Like a lot of a lot of that though. There's just a lot of calories. I'm doing this sober October fitness challenged with my friends, I've been working out. I'm not not noble shit as much as five hours in a day because I'm trying to win this. We have a WWE style championship belt. It says intercontinental champion, so rob Tober or intergalactic champion zoo. The sober part, though, does that mean, you're not no pot? No booze. No, nothing. Here's so you're just clean living for all of October and training for brain out. Yeah. Well, we're wearing ice. Wearing these these belts that measure, your heart rate, and they also quantify your performance like how much calories you burn. And there it is. He can take that shit. What flavors at one macadamia pecan salt? Fantastic stuff. I look the chocolate and sea salt one to look through a sample. It was a good. That's cool. It's a real healthy. It's just what you really what you need to actually ingredients. Oh, yeah. Awesome. And you just tear you smush them up, and you tear the top. And you it in your mouth. Yeah. I do that calming a lot. I kind of prefer that to to, you know, gels or do you want to call it because that's pure sugar. I kind of prefer to help your head. Yes. Certainly for climbing. It's just not like in. It's not like running or cycling or something. Where your engines burning nonstop? We're gonna need to pump sugar into it. So it's kind of a longer slow burn. You can you can eat fat for sure do you ever? Mess around with Nutro picks at all I've never even heard that word Nutro picks are are the building blocks for human neuro transmitters. It's like, they're they're they're supplements that enhance cognitive function is some of them are like standard what you'd get at like GNC, you wouldn't think of as Nutro pick. But they're finding out they are like creating they're finding out creating is actually a pretty potent Nutro pick and actually enhances cognitive performance. But there's one called alphabrain that my company has I'll send a bunch of to you. There's another company called neuro one that makes it great one. You know, Bill Romanowski is not sure a former NFL player who took a lot of hits patriots. No wasn't going on the Broncos. Yeah. Savage crazy animal and during his day. You know, obviously sustained a lot of head injuries and wanted to find some sort of a natural way to replenish, his brain function. So he created this company called neuro one. And that's this is how I found out about Nutro picks is through his his product. It's fantastic. Great stuff. It's just powder. You put it in water shake it up. It actually has a protein and a bunch of different neurotransmitters in it. But it's really good for enhancing function. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if there's actually works. Yeah. It does. Well, alphabrain my company we we had to double blind placebo controlled studies with the Boston center for memory that showed improvements in verbal memory in reaction time in peak alpha flow state, so what am I what is PICO opposed to this? Good question. You have to have to dive into it. Yeah. They're all the if you go to on it dot com all the tests are available. You can go over like what it means. But what what you find from these another one called true brain that? What does that guy's name that he was a guest on the podcast, Dr Andrew? No, that's Andy Galvin. There's my point is besides my company does a bunch of companies really good ones. And they're they're fantastic. If you have to give speeches are have talk. If you do any of the things like that. I do like commentary. Nice go straight cocaine, you fired up give it great talk. Anything you like. That's a question. I had for you to like how many people that are doing what you do are on either Adderall or they take things like beta blockers. That's honestly, I was so I think nobody. But I mean, a lot of climbers smoke a lot of weed or you know, nowadays. I don't even know what you do with it during your out to smoke it. Yeah. He just like drinking stuff. I don't there's so many like cannabis things now. But monosso, I I've never really done drugs. I don't I'm not totally interested center. They know anything about it. But I don't know it's interesting because it's not like anyone's drug testing climbers and unless they're competing in the World Cup level or it's actually going to be the Olympics in twenty twenty but claritin's yet climbing is station. So did they have an event like in terms of like a pathway that you have to go through? So it's what's a World Cup climbing breaks into three disciplines like lead climbing, which is like a same as indoor wall, and then bouldering which is shorter without a rope. You know, twelve feet or whatever and then speed calming where it's like, a preset course, everyone does the exact same course. But he just goes fast that you can against the timer. And so normally there's a three disciplines for the World Cup. But the Olympic format combines all three into one competition because they're limited by how many medals and whatever because it's like a demonstration sport. They're just sort of, you know, it's it's smaller scale than than some of the other sports in the Olympics. But so. Yes. So basically coming competitors. Just have to do all three disciplines and. I was watching something on YouTube where they had this climbing competition more. They like ready said goat. And then they like shot. That's the speed coming this lady who's wearing a burqa. She she like famous or something daughter. No. But but there are a bunch of really strong Iranian speak climbers. And so I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of that she ran up at like a spider. It was crazy to watch yet for whatever reason speed coming is really big in eastern Europe. And then there are a couple of really good around in speak communism. Yeah. They're just it's like, it's sort of its own little niche sport coming out of certain parts of the world. That is well, there's some strong jeans over there in Iran. Like a lot of great wrestlers because I don't know. I don't know if the woman you're talking about is from there. I'm thinking of one specific dude who so much as portrait in speed Iranian climate. Far Nawaz spell that. As my calls. Zodda. I think you pretty much got that. Yeah. Yes. The video of her because she's a fucking Spider-Man. She's runs up the side of that hill. He's gonna browse the internet. Yes, he could find anyway. So with the with the new Olympic style climbing. I mean, obviously don't be drug testing with drug testing. But it's funny with the, but nobody really uses performance enhancing drugs. I don't think they. Let's one I'm getting one a one World Cup. Climber had a medal taken away for having used recreational cocaine. And he was like, oh, I'm really sorry. You know, I'm sorry. I did coke. It was more for the partying than the performance. You know there. She is look at her. This ladies, I mean for a guy like you is at impressive. What see that play that from the beginning does it's that's pretty fast. That's not as fast. I mean, if you watch some of the more elite times, it's it's faster for sure women or men both. I think some things. I don't think that I think so I don't know how I don't know, man. Well, you're you're the guy who had no to me, that's damn impressive. Just look up a world record. I mean, I think the mail records like five point something seconds serves six seconds. It's like something really really fast. Now, do they know this path in advance? Yes. So that's exactly the same root for everybody always same distance same holds. And so you basically memorize the sequence. And then you just performance as fast as you can. So here we go. Here's a world record as the. So you stand on that thing. Yes. The timer starts when you're one foot comes off the timer on the ground. And then it ends when he slapped the thing on the top. Oh my God. Oh my God. The real look at that five point, whatever seconds. Oh my God. That doesn't look real. Like does it look like he's just running like on the sidewalk this flat? Let he's on. And they're they're faking it. Yeah. For the camera. Now, do these guys free solo or the they specific on concentrate on the imagine of your freeze like this. You would die for sure. That betablockers would be something that someone who free solos would wanna look into. I don't I don't know that beta blockers or something that blocks your your brains production of adrenalin. But I mean, I don't know if you'd want that though because the things if you haven't adrenaline by it's because something weird went on. And you probably want to you want to him out. I've had a couple of times where like broke a hold off or something like all of a sudden, you're hold drips off. And then you have that like superhuman surge of odd, and you grab back on. Yeah. You don't wanna be mellow at that time. Yeah. Exactly. You don't be like, I'm so relaxed as I fall all the way to the valley floor. You know, it's like you wanna frigging hold on one of the things in the film was one of the guys who fell and guess eventually died. He was doing any fell and base jumped with a parachute. He he called a freebasing. He's sort of pioneered that that sport as it were. But there's usually a good thing to have on your back. Well, not really so. Yeah. I mean, the idea makes sense that if you're gonna fall off a cliff have parachute. The thing is that you need to be on a very specific kind of cliff like what he was on where it was over Hanes that when he fell he cleared the wall, and he like right loaded out in a space. But the thing is seventy all the walls are slightly less than vertical in general. And so it means that you just tumble down the wall. You know? You know, and the other thing is that even if you have a parachute parachutes function as a wing, you know, they have a direction to them like Eric comes into them, and you fly in direction, which means that you have to be facing away from the wall when you open your parachute or else, you just fly right into the wall and crash. Yeah. So it basically means if you fall off unexpectedly you then have to track away from the wall right yourself in mid air. You know, correct for everything. And then make sure you're facing the right way music. Basically, there are a lot of things that have to go right for the parachute to help you. But. Okay. Does not good. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people is that they're like, oh, why don't you wear a parachute? And you're like, what's basically this ten pound training. Wait, that doesn't really hope you much that guy just jumped on purpose. Yeah. This is well. Yeah. So he's got. So this is on the Eiger though. It looks like I think and you can yes, he's like jumping away. He's getting a nice controlled opening. He's like flying away from the cliff. It's like everything is going right for them. But imagine if one of his foot holds just broke, and he started pin wheeling down the wall with a you'd never get the separation from the wall, right Astor. Let's just watch extreme sports videos now the date. All right. Well, this guy's surely going to have a disaster. What one of the things from the video when they were talking about all the people that have died. That every essentially everyone from the past that was a free solo or is dead. And you're saying there's other things that they were doing like base jumping base jumping. And even there are a couple older soloists. I mean in the film, Peter Croft is like a legendary soloist and he's a childhood hero of mine. And he's you know, I don't want to say pushing sixty seven not sure how old Peter is. But he's you know, he's an older he's a distinguished gentleman. And he's a he's living in the eastern Sierra. He's climbing all the time. He's like loving life with his wife, and actually he's in Greece on a sport climbing vacation right now, just climbing for two months fun, climbing with a rope emigrate time. And so, you know, I look at something like, Peter, and he's he was reselling it at the very cutting edge for twenty years, basically. And and it's still just a happy now. But does he free solo anymore? Just climbs was so it's funny. So I had dinner with him a couple of years ago. I was like, oh, Peter at what point did, you quit Soling? It's sort of an elite level, you know, like when did you sort of back off the grades? And he was like, oh, actually I did want to technically by the numbers. I did one of my hardest resellers a couple years ago. But it was like a sport route at his local Craig so like a route that he would routinely climb for fitness that just happened to be a pretty hard number. You know, climbing grades are all sort of categorized. And so usually technically one of my hardest SOLAS was just recently, but it's like a hard number, but not nearly as much of an undertaking. Some of the big solos that he'd done in the past like some of the walls that he'd sold it any seventy back in the day. And so he was like, oh, it's all just kind of how you define difficulty. Now, when when you say that there's a number system that sort of rates what a like, how difficult of free solo path is not that rates climbing in general with a row without a rope is just it just rates how hard climates what is L cap was the route that I climbed is five twelve for whatever that means or maybe it's thirteen depending how you depending on what you want to call it. But what does that mean? Yeah. Exactly. So the the climbing climbing grades are defined. I don't know says in America by the seventy decimal system in its classification of terrain from one two one two six you'll decibels doesn't decimal system. Yeah. Why? Yes. But it's it's other parts of the world have different systems, and like in Australia is just an open ended numbers from one to thirty eight or something. Whereas they they get harder there. It is right here there. Yeah. Climbing grade comparison. Oh, that's interesting one. Why would because culture grew up in all different parts of the world, right, and climbing culture, I guess is a big part of Yosemite yet. Well, yeah. I mean, climbing as a sport in the US is sort of birth from you semi. I mean, the the history of Alpin ISM or climbing rock climbing. Anyway, in the comes from somebody in the US is it just because the paths are so cool that they just drew people to it or. Yeah, partially. I mean. Yeah, the summits are so striking. And I think a lot of it also just had to do with just culture because a big part of it was from L A in the bay area who probably had some sense of classical album from the Alps, you know, people who traveled to some extent and then wanted to climb other mountains, and then the happened to live near one of the most iconic areas in the world. And so then I don't know. But anyway, so it winds up being called semi decimal system. But. But yes, basically, it's the it's categories of terrain so one being walking on a normal trail to being like scrambling a little bit three being like scrambling through hands and feet up rocks and then fourth class being like sorta like climbing easier, and then fifth clasping actual rock climbing. And so then it was five point one three nine depending on how how hard things are so five point one being pretty easy five point nine being pretty hard like you're rock climbing down technical. And then certain point that system wasn't adequate. So they had to start adding, you know, five point ten, and then they subdivide into ABCD in five point eleven ABCD in the five point twelve is now, it's an open ended system that right now goes up to five sixteen basically. Whoa. L cap is really complicated. Yeah. So L cap is twelve or five point twelve d or maybe five point thirteen which is the next grade up. It's also now, but so basically that means that it's it's elite like that's very difficult and something like an average person can't do, but it's definitely not close to the physical. Limit of what's been done in the world. But that's with a rope on and that's after years of practice, and what's the physical limit? Like, what is the peak of right now, the hardest gray in the world is fifteen d which is extremely hard. I mean, it's totally crazy. But so one guy this guy has done one route that he called fifteen and so it hasn't been repeated. So it's not like an established consensus, but there are several fifteen season the world, and they're they're many fifteen bees in the world. Whereas his fifteen d-, it's an a cave in Norway. Yeah. That's the kind of interesting thing about climbing grades and climbing difficulties. They're all spread around the world that very specific list because it requires just the right combination of of angle and holds, you know, there have to be enough things to hold onto. But not too many Earls it's easier. Right. And so for you know, an elite climber. They're basically searching the world all the time trying to find that right mixture of of rock. Wow. What a strange existence. It's really really neat. She has very unusual now when you hear about it. But it's also kind of elemental on a way, you know, because rocks are just out there. And you're basically just going and explore nature until you find the right kind of challenge. Well, yeah. There's to there's some sort of a primal satisfaction that comes from climbing, something, right? Yeah. I'm there's certain. Yeah. There's an elemental quality for sure where you're like this is something that just exists in the world. And you just yes it. Yeah. This is this is. Monitor this. Check it coming fifteen God. No, it's already out. It's it's a short online actually silence yet the route he put up he called silence. But if this is the film just scrub all the way to the very, oh, that's the area. So you can seize climbing feet. I through some of it, and it's totally extremes. So this guy Adam Andrea is for sure the strongest climate in the world right now like physical yet physically. So he's he put up the world's first fifteen c and the first fifteen d so he's basically pushed the edge of difficulty for the last several grades. Wow. And he's just freakishly strong. Is that something that you would have to be to do what he's doing like a regular climate? Couldn't do what he's doing is almost like acrobatic involved. Yeah. Yeah. Look what he's doing. There is like that's so this is the world's first fifteen see so slow the easier. He did this several years ago. But it's like and then. Yeah. But that's where he has a rope. You know, and he tries that over and over. But yeah, he's he's an amazing climber. He's really he's like a polymath. He's like he's great at every discipline? What else does he do was? So he have you heard at the dawn wall on cap. No. So Tommy called both you know, who he is special climbing. He's he's he was I don't know. Yeah. He's basically one of America's best climbers. He did this recall, the dawn wall, which is also a film in theaters or wasn't theaters last month is sort of random that too big films came out exactly the same time. But it's just one of those freak things. But so the John wall was considered the hardest climb in the world is some extent assists thing it was a seven year project for him up the right side of oak. The thing I climbed is on the left side. How Cavallo something on the right side, which is much harder. But he was using a rope and put seven years of work into it. And anyway, yeah. And then this guy outta monitor who Washington video of he he did the second ascent and he put like. Month of work into it. And repeated it whoa, he's really really strong. Wow. So when you see a guy do something like that does that make you think about doing it or do you go? That's only something that someone can do with with ropes. Oh, yeah. No. I mean, their whole categories of climbing. They can only be done with a rope. Because the moves our way too insecure. You fall off way too often. I mean, anything that guy fall off doing that like hundreds or maybe thousands of times? Oh, I mean for so for him to for him to do something. Heart. I mean to to climb at the very highest levels of human present. I mean, so think about a gymnast or someth- is that him right there. Yeah. That's so he's free soloing. No, no, no. He has a harness on a rope right there. Okay. Yeah. No. I mean, look at what he's holding his one finger. No, I think is other when might be onto, but but it's basically like a tiny tiny tiny edge. This is the crux at one of the pitches on the John wall tat is so insane that guy could probably crush your head. But just grabbing it when certainly the he has a certain ferocity he has an intensity where you can try with one hundred and fifteen percent like some pretty sure if you grab your head and try to harvest it would just pop like a little melon. The grip strength. The he's holding on such tiny tiny little things. Yeah. He's he's very very drug. Wow, man. So a guy like that. When when you see him do these paths, these pads are past you can only do with a robe. Yeah. Yeah. Does he free solo as well? I don't think he ever has. It's not really his thing. And the thing in some ways, it's really hard to do both at a high level and. I think or at least to some extent it's hard to do both at a high level because so for him for him to climb something that hard he needs that intensity. He needs one hundred fifteen percent effort. But if you're trying to free solo, well, you definitely should never be giving anything even remotely close to one hundred and fifty percent effort or else die for sure. Because you're so close to that razor edge failure when you're trying hard, but with free soul, and you have to always keep it sort of your comfort zone because you don't wanna die doing it. So I mean, I think that I've always sort of kept my my personal like you on your personal barometer of effort. I sort of live between four and seven let's say or like three and a half and seven maybe where it's like, you're never too relaxed. You're also never going to the absolute death or sort of like in the four to six is the sweet spot where you like climbing. I'm having a good time. But I'm not like trying too hard. And I'm not right laxed. But says somebody like Atta monitor Tommy Caldwell like, I've I've climate Tommy a lot over the years. He's he's a great climber. And I've really seen this because he. Like I've seen him just randomly fall off many times because used he just like slip. He's like, oh, I'm so relaxed so easy. And then I'm like, oh, I slipped and that's kind of like an effort of one where you're like, your body is so relaxed if anything happens, then he fall and with with a rope on that's fine in some ways, that's the more efficient way to climb because you know, you're so relaxed most the time that you're saving a lot of energy over all that every once in a while when you fall, it's like who cares? The rope catches you. It's no problem. But you have to trust those little things sticking the crowd. That's hope. So that's like I mean, that's yeah. That's that's coming. What is he doing? He's he's counter pressuring me his leg into this crack arrest. He's basically like pushing his knee into the rock to in order to relax his arms from his whole body is leaning backwards. Yeah. So he's hanging upside down, basically every muscle in his body's relaxed except for his calf in his calf is forcing his knee into the rock, which hold them in place. Was just. That is so insane that photos so insane. That's a really efficient way to rest to rest your arms. We'll be going through tonight. Well, you know for him. It's like for him to be able to rest like that. For one minute is an amazing way to rest your arms for a minute. And then it sort of saps your core staff, really tired. Now does a guy like does he lift weights or anything to prepare for these things is just I dunno. He's doing he's he's on his own program. But it's it's really climate specific he's mostly doing things with his fingers. And yeah, he's pretty jacked. Is that even him? That's crazy. That's weird. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same route. That's interesting. I've never seen that. But I mean, I guess you just get jacked from doing that too though. Just constantly pulling yourself up. Yeah. For sure there's a climbing wall just like local kids place, and I told my daughter give one hundred bucks if she can make all the way to the other side. It's it's pretty difficult. And so she's become obsessed with trying to get over there to get one hundred bucks. That's definitely jacked. I mean, look he's Jack you're gonna wind up super ripped. It's hard to do. I tried to do it. And I couldn't do it. I was like, wow. This is really hard. Hard difficult to do. I bet if you if you try to bit I mean, just because you have such a background in movement, and fitness and everything bet it wouldn't be that hard for you structure. Yeah. I'm pretty heavy though. For someone short that that'd be an issue hanging on to two in theory, climbing should be more in your legs. Anyway, should be driving with your legs. Because no matter what your legs are always bigger and stronger muscles in your arms. Like, that's always what drives you upward and then your arm should only be holding your weight in and keeping your keeping you balanced over your feet. Basically this interesting that's something they figured out fairly recently with grappling over the last like ten fifteen years with jujitsu and things along those lines that your legs you it's really important to us. Mostly your legs. When gambling totally I can see that. I mean, that's what's driving you forward. Motion the whole controlling your opponent and manipulating your opponent and doing stuff with your legs. Do you do anything to cross train? Not really, no, I do other mountain sports little you mountain biking or skiing or things like that. We do it for fun. Yeah. For fun. And then the only real cross training, and do is just sort of like a push up in court type routine, you know, like opposition training, just to maintain healthy, you know, healthy body because you're constantly pulling. I'm always pulling from sports, and then I tried to do a little bit of pushing core just to make sure that things stay balanced on. Now is that something you talked to a physical therapist about or? No, that's just that's just basic physiology. I'm only pull you have to push. Sometimes you wind up all in balance, right and injured. Well, I I saw the one of the things in the film was when you were recovering from your ankle sprain. And you know, you had said that you really hadn't been injured in years. Then also, you have this girlfriend, and she doesn't climb and you get injured. Yeah. Yeah. That that actually is just freak free timing contact. Yes, fortunate because I think really it just shows that I've been really fortunate for twenty years I've had very few injuries climbing. And then you know, some point you just have a few in this. I mean, there's just life to some extent. But when you do have something like that, and you feel sort of the vulnerability of your tissue, and your do you do you think about like, hey, what if this happened halfway up some fucking insane path? Now, the the bigger thing in the film. I have a back injury earlier where I get lowered off the end of the rope. And fall, I only fell maybe ten or twelve feet, you know, sort of like the height of this this room, basically. And but I landed sort of like folded over this rock back where it was like totally horrible like these jagged boulders. And so I didn't go that far. But I was like, oh, you I got worked, and it was really sobering. Because it made me realize that if I fell from forty feet, climbing, you could it could be. Yeah. I mean. It'd be a disaster. It made me realize just how fragile my body's because I'm like, oh, I only fell little tiny ways in like really hurt. Pretty bad. I was like man if you feel much further you could you could anything happen. Yeah. People step off stairs wrong and began tackle. Yeah. It's very strange the the bodies so fragile. It's really amazing. What's funny? But it's so fragile. But then also so robust and someone is I mean, it's amazing. What the human body can adapt to or withstand. But then. Yeah. And then some things just can't. Yeah. That's why I was asking you about your age like as you get older you seeing a difference in the way, you recover, you see any difference in the way, you know, what you're what you feel like your potential is. I yes, it's hard to say. I think. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, those those are the tough questions. I mean, you know, I'm sure sure you think about that stuff to a fighter the fighter at your age thirty three he said, yeah. That's when you start tailing off that winding down four thirty five on a fighter hits like thirty six like. Yikes. Is that is that like old for fighter? Now. It's pretty old. It's very rare. There's only a few guys who've been able to compete at a world class level past that an MA. Randy couture, stands out and boxing Bernard Hopkins. Stands out how old is the Floyd Mayweather forty. He's forty. He's still considered like fighting elite level. Well, you know when he fought Conor McGregor Conor McGregor was nowhere near his level. Because Conor McGregor wasn't really a box on boxer around. Yeah. And so Florida just kind of worked them. But he hasn't really fought at a world class level for a couple years because you know, he beat canal Alvarez several years going to meet canal drop a ton of weight, when he beat many pack him any pack. Yo was quite a bit past as prime and had a shoulder injury. So you probably dealing with like three years or so since he's fought like real world class competition when you say he made them drop underway Zamin like to how does how clever, you know. He he wanted him to fight at a lower weight class, you know, because Floyd really Floyd started off his career. I wanna say at one thirty then he fought at one three five. Yeah. And you know, his real isn't he how big is it at least very small so five six five seven maybe five seven. Yeah. In tiny little hands on very small hands. But very certainly they hit very hard. Well, he's not. He's just a genius boxer. Probably one of the best defense. Probably if not. The best definitely top two or three defensive boxers of all time only been really hit hard to the point where he's been wobbled like maybe like four four times entire career has it seems like that's that's the kind of boxer. You wanna be exactly going to be like the rocky bub Staubach's to death? And then you want us boring, really, you wound up and watching NFL games with good defense. And you're like, oh, man. It's like now the team you wanna watch. But it's probably the better team. Yeah. Well, especially with boxing because the consequences are so grave if you hit a lot there's a horrible video that I put up on YouTube are on Twitter rather than a retweeted someone sent me. And it's boxers when they're young talking versus after injuries. And you're watching you like, whoa. It's it's stunning. Just like NFL stuff to. Yeah. I mean, people talk about that with climbing like, oh, it's such a dangerous sport. But the thing about rock climbing is that it's basically a completely safe sport. Right up until some kind of accident may happen. And then then you tensely die. So the thing is you can basically climb at a high level for fifty years and never have any issues or you could maybe die doing it. But it's kind of a fundamentally safe sport for the most part as opposed to what we're talking about like fighting or football things like that. Where like or you mountain biking where you're for sure. Gonna get injured. Like, no matter what just by just by playing the game. Yeah. Football and fighting. They creep up on you like the injuries start a pile. We'll be basically just even in practice. You are getting injured constantly, you know. And so it's kinda messed up. It's like just the price of entry is going to be for can head injuries. Yeah. I went to a football game you'll day high school football game. And when I was there, I had a really hard time watching it because everybody's cheering and I'm talking to my friend. I'm like you're looking at brain damage. Knowns messed up these kids are getting brain damage, and this is like a really nice private school where they pay a lot of money to get the kids into this program. And then the kids are playing football these they're all getting brain damage. He goes really I go one hundred percent. Did you see that collision brain damage? That's definitely brain damage. It might not be a lot. They might be. Okay. But how many of those they do today? How do they do? Yeah. How many a month how many ways to human potential there really is? I mean, the problem is it's such a grand part of our history. And our culture doesn't really need to be. I mean football hasn't existed about are. Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, I'm not I I watch a rodeo from like very very close basically like from the commentators box above the pens for the fourth of July radio in Wyoming t- summers ago. And that was something that was like this is messed up. I mean, I'm not like huge animal rights guy. But I'm vegetarian obviously in a sort of care. And I was like, oh, you know, you're kind of abusing these animals for sport. And that's like that doesn't you sit that well with me, but what was even worse as I was like all these young men are getting worked just like for the entertainment is totally like Roman gladiator type stuff, and I'll just like, and it's weird because it's so cultural, you know, because and you know, I mean, I can I can empathize. Because obviously, I'm doing something, and it's also sort of blood sporty to some extent, and and sort of for the. Same reason, you know, you're a teenage do look into do something interesting and engaging. That's that will. That will hopefully get you laid you know, like you just want to. I mean, if you're from small town, Wyoming, and you're like, oh, I'm good at riding bowls like that's for sure going to be your path. And I'm like, oh, it's just too bad that that's your path. It's dark path. I mean, we watch this guy. Get frigging thrown off this bowl. And and he was finding land on the ground. But then the Beaufort was charging him and the guy like I've never seen human Terry. Like, he basically just turned and ran as fast as he could. But he ran straight into this post like headfirst into this frigging steel post like the edge of the because he just didn't you know, it was like the bowl's coming at him. He turns and runs, and he basically like Knox himself out against this. And thankfully, the clowns distracted the bowl. And then the paramedic ambulance basically parked on the other side of the fence from what you're gonna do. And so they basically like lifting over and put him straight on the stretcher and take away. I was like, dude, and you know, the crowds. And you're like that guys like messed up like, you know, everything about it made me like feel kinda gross. You know? Yeah. It's not like. Like, I would never wanna pay to watch somebody hurt themselves. I don't know. Well, it's weird that that's culturally acceptable. But like bullfighting is not. Yeah. Align. Yeah, bull writing it's like for containing the bowls, and they're lighting, aren't they tying off their balls. And they're doing all kinds of bad. Things would argue. That's goals. Have great lives. You know, though, they feed them. Well, and they get a lot of exercise, and they're very happy bowls. And you're like, dude, I'm pretty sure they'd rather be roaming the open plains like consolidating cows. You know? Yeah. That's weird justification. Yeah. We had a guy on fear factor. Once that was a professional rodeo guy and his shoulder was like a topographic map who was just hit so many scars in his shoulder. And he told me show that would just pop out just like he could just pop it out left. And right from just being destroyed like Ford by bowl falling and getting it ripped apart riding bulls. Yeah. I just don't get that just wasn't working anymore. I mean, he had a bunch of surgeries, and they tried to screw it back together and tighten things down. But it was just destroyed though. I'm sure I'm sure a Beretta would look it free. So it'd be like what a crazy everybody looks at another great. And honestly, I look. That fighting and I'm like doesn't. He's totally outrageous. Like, why would you want some other dude beaten to death in cage? That's good. It's crazy outrageous. It is outrageous. But if you can get good enough or you can avoid young. Yeah. And then the two to land the damage, it's kinda the same even landing the damages. Certain extent, you're like, oh, you're hurting somebody else for the pleasure of the crowd. That's kind of messed up. Yeah. Not you know, it's a very weird feeling knocking someone out is one of the weirdest feelings because part of you is happy that it's not you. But part of us like looking down at that guy. That's just got flatlined in. Whoa. That could have been made. How much defied is like hold back. You know, because I feel like you kind of have to go to the death. But then if you actually like punch somebody so hard they died or something. I mean, obviously, you'd feel horrible right? You don't back at all with saying. So it's like you don't hold back at all. But then if you actually killed somebody, wouldn't you feel horrible. It's very rare that someone dies in mixed martial arts believe it or not. Well, yeah. No. I I mean, I know that box. Possible. Yes. Definitely. And it has happened. And it's sort of like, it has happened very very rarely in mixed. Martial arts never in the UFC. But in boxing, it happens more often, and with one of the reasons why it happens more often in boxing because you're only punching in your taking people down you have you tapping out because they're paying with. Yeah. Well, it's also there's more options to defend yourself. You're not just getting battered against the ropes. They're also nowadays much better at stopping fight when a fighter's clearly compromised when the really fucked up in the old days, they used to let guys just get battered these to you know, box that that doesn't sit. Yeah. Well with me. I'm just like. Yeah. But that's what I'm not a fighter. Well, that's right about climbing is there's this real elemental appeal to just you in the mountain and its nature, and it's beautiful, and it's very peaceful and calm. It's like so different than having thousands of people screaming at us. You punch on the face over. It's like dude does not my scene. Well, did you see the Conor McGregor could be number off fight? With is the bigger fight outside the cage, always the where the guy vaults out of the cage, and like starts brawling was like. Yeah. Like WWE or whatever start breaking tables over people than that. Because it was real. Yes, totally outrageous. But what's funny is? It became chaos because a fight erupted outside of the parameters of the fight. It was just more fighting seen fighting this isn't what we paid for this isn't. Okay, right. Everybody is like fighting in the cage. It's fine. This is lovely. But he gets out of the cage. Oh my God. He's out in the wild. That's on the world fighting isn't that gonna messed up? Yeah. It's definitely messed. He's professional fighter. He's fighting. That's what he does. It's weird though, the whole listen, and this is coming from someone who's been involved in this my whole life. It's weird. It's I absolutely see all the arguments against it. And yet you still want to go train when on the face. Well, I don't punch anybody the face anymore. I still choke people. But I think that seems totally find that. Well, that's the thing about the jujitsu aspect of it is you you really can tap out. And stop and you don't really get hurt time. You get hurt training jujitsu is accidental for the most part, especially you train, your you actually better off training with a black belt, then you are with the white belt toilet because. Yeah. No, I get that blacks have more control Bill. They'll be fine with you. Just those tap you and your point accident kicks you in the face and you're like oh. He's really strong, especially if you've got a white belt is like a cross fitters fucking jacked race guide. Just once. Just grappling and then his arm came out. And I don't know what to do with it. So I threw it away. I don't know. Yeah. Really unskilled guy who's extremely strong who's learning technique and is also a spouse as very dangerous role. So yeah, you don't wanna teach me jitsu where you're saying. Not me. You if you did it with me, we'd be fine. But if you did it with someone who's a real beginner who's, you know, non saying, I'm the strong beginner. Yeah. But ribbon no idea what I'm doing is like the real probably be if we're both beginners that would be the real problem. The like a strong spouse is not really not going to work against a black belt. That's a learning curve for climbing to you don't want to be interest going out and trying to like Clinton mountain together Bowie a-, I would worry about that. Like, if you're climbing do you ever climb like is there a chain like one person in front of you like soups? Yeah. When you come with the rope. It's basically two people one goes out first, and then brings up the second because you're limited by the length of the ropes of as one person goes out at the end of the rope brings up the next person that person climbs through brings up the second. So you dependent upon the holes that they put in when they put those bolts into the cracks and bolts and things are put in by the first ascension. So the very first person to have ever climbed the route. But then everyone. Thereafter is able to just clip their their equipment into the bolts, or, you know, use pre-established anchors things like that. Oh, so all the all the roots are already established, and you can like read a book that shows all the different routes. So like, okay, tan has something like one hundred and twelve different routes of it. And and of those one hundred twelve only fifteen or so of them can be free climbed, which is different than free soloing free, climbing, meaning just using your hands and your feet, and you're still using a rope. You're still clipping into protection as you go. But you're only using your hand in your feet to get you up as opposed to like putting gear and then pulling on a gear which cheating so of the hundred routes on cap, you know, something like ninety of them you have to pull on the hardware. You have to like clip little ladders into it and step on, you know, you have to hammer Piton in and then clip into them and stand on them in hammer, another Piton and step on that. Because there's no footnote. Yeah. There's just nothing to hold onto its too hard. Oh, wow. So then so then there. Yes. Something like ten or fifteen free climbing routes where you can climate. And so with my big goal of trying to free solo cap to climate. Without a rope. I was limited to just those ten or fifteen routes that are possible to climb just with your hands and feet, and how did you stab which the one that you wanted to proceed on ESN? Basically, I just want him doing the easiest one. Because basically, it's really hard to free up by any means. And so the easiest one wound up being the most secure the the best one for me. How many people have done it wo- free solo or free time free solo free? So on. I mean, the only the only one I mean, that's why there's the film and everything it's it's a and nobody's ever even thought about it. You know, nobody's considered. It's not like something that people are trying to do. Now that you've done it other other people that are considering it. I really I mean, I think it's almost more the opposite. Now that I've done it people like all you need to do that. I mean, there's nobody even playing this game right now. Really there aren't that many high end free soloist right now how many other? To one something really? I mean, I don't know. I don't know if there are any others, really Renault. There's this guy Brad go right in American guy, who's been free selling at a pretty high level. But definitely he's a really good friend of mine. So I'm not like slandering him. But but definitely at a very different level than than, but he would never even dream sewing. Okay. So he's sort of starting out was not that he's starting out. I mean, he's a very good climber. He's been coming with longtime, and he's done all kinds of very difficult things. But in terms of free soloing, I think he just doesn't need to push it as that hard. So he's almost like he dabbles in free soloing. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'd Avalon freeze only as well. I mean, mostly I'm climbing with my friends doing other things. I mean, I think most almost all climbers only dabbling free so free selling it's sort of like one discipline of climbing. Like we were talking earlier about the Olympics having multiple disciplines. You know, there are many types of climbing and most climbers do all of them to some extent and free soloing always represent sort of this small specialty like extra style. So you do free climbing. And then you also do the kind of climbing what you have to put in those posts and stand on them are eight common artificial climbing. So three climb I eight calm. Sometimes I I don't like to because it's too much worry too much like construction, you know, you're like nailing things standing on its like engineering, but I do that. Because sometimes that's what it requires to get up big nuns, and we do that. And you nail things and stand on them. Do you take them out as well? Yeah. The second person takes them out. So the one person uses them to get up. And then once the rope is secured above them, the second person joins them in removes them, all and then you have all your gear back, and then you're able to do it again for the next section how much weight is that stuff. It depends where it can be a lot and certainly back in the day when people were doing the first sensible cap, I mean, it's something like forty pounds or fifty pounds of iron hanging off him. Jeez. Nowadays, it's all out later, and you can use better gear. But but yeah, it's a lot, but that's kind of the appeal of free climbing or even. Rissoli is that you have nothing on you. Now, how secure is that stuff that you're hangings hammering in that it depends? It depends on their certainly stories of people falling in ripping all the stuff. But but but sometimes that's okay. Because if you're if you're thousands of feet off the ground, you can take one hundred foot fall on not touch anything, and it's fun. Yeah. But still not really really counting on the thing. It's all it's all well-founded. I mean you just to trust. Now earlier this summer, I was talking about Tony Koldo one of the best climbers in the country. So the two of us did the speed record. I know cap earlier this year. And so that's the two of us are tied together. We're using a rope or using equipment. But we're anything goes your cheating as much as you can is trying to get from bottom milk cap to the top as fast as possible. This is on a different route than the one that I freeze solid in the film. And so we were trying to go sub two hours, and we ultimately didn't when fifty eight news is pretty awesome. We're really psyched. But along the way Tommy took one hundred footfall at one point when he just I was talking about him with the whole one to ten effort. He was climbing something that's really really easy, and he was probably giving an effort of like two and he just slipped. You know? And I was like, oh, but anyway, he frigging whipped. He felt like one hundred feet just to write down the wall didn't touch anything because okapi is like a very clean vertical sheet. Iraq, a whole long's it take the fall hundred feet. That's several. Yes. Several teen second. No, no, no like four or five or something. Accelerates a quick one two three long enough will be like, oh my God. I'm going to. No, no. No long enough. So the reason he fell so far is because we are doing this sort of complicated maneuvers. Normally, I would have a Belay device on basically, I would be attached to the rope earlier to catch him, but I take in my Belay device off. And I was just tied into the end. So basically, he fell on all the slack whipped through until it hit me at the end of the rope. But so when he yelled, I basically had time to be like, oh my God. He's falling like brace for impact. Like knowing the second. The rope is gonna come tied against the end that I'm tied into basic jerk me. Wow. Then, thankfully, there's enough drag in the system that it didn't jerk me off the stance that I was on. I would have gone pulled like fifty feet across the wall, and it was almost up. So when he's falling, and you're realizing that you're gonna get yanked by his fall you like digging into the rat. No, basically, I was like whom I brace yourself. Like, I was in this position. I was actually like phasing out away from the wall like facing out towards the meadow. Because I I was in an open corner. Like if you look at the corner of the room, imagine one leg on each side facing outward. Push into this position. Because it's like I was about to have to untie my not and retired and do some things. And so I was basically like already to do some things. And all of a sudden I hear that he's falling. And I was like oh my God. And then they've is able to just sort of like stick in their Jesus. But my point is just that taking big. I mean, if you trust your equipment, and everything it can be okay to take big falls like that you obviously try to avoid them because you know, had he hit a leg or something. Then potentially he could have died. But because it was it was cleaner. It was. Okay. So if he was in a situation where there was a slight angle, and he fell that far. That's where it's really dangerous. Yeah. I mean worst case scenario would be if you fell one hundred feet and seventy five feet down. There was a ledge sticking out of this table because then you would just clip it you'd break your legs. Everything would explode Staw. Yeah. What do you do if you fall and you break something in your halfway up do? Okay. Same route the the nose vocab, which we trying to do the speed record on this friend of mine who I actually previously held the speed record with this older guy Hans flooring who actually wrote the book how to speed climb that. I learned how to speak on from many years ago. So he friggin exactly what I'm describing sort of worst case scenario. He took this twenty probably at twenty two footfall, but he was unlucky enough. Which is totally fine. He had a rope yet gear everything worked exactly the way it's supposed to he just fell always which is normal. But the bummer was that there was a little ledge probably twice the size of that box right there like the other wooden box. Just kind of this little thing sticking out from the wall about this far that basically he fell twenty feet hit that broke both of his ankles. And then and then went off another two feet. And so the rope Khadem, and you know, the fall was exactly as expected all his gear held everything's totally normal except that he happened to hit that thing right at the apex of the full force of his fall. I that legend. To fee Bolom. It wouldn't matter though, he would just hit and jumped off into space, but because he'd already fallen twenty feet broke both ankles, and then is kind of horrible. I was actually up higher on the wall that day I'd come in from above to repel in and work on something. And I heard him yelling. But I thought he was sitting in hollering like, hey, how's it going type deal? And then I like it climbed out to the summit. And then when I'd hide half halfway back down. I got a voicemail from him saying that, you know, being like, oh, hey, it's Honda. I think I'd just broke my Mateb. You know, basically like, oh, can you can you help he'd already called search and rescue? And so or rescues already mobilized but search and rescue in Yosemite. It's it's really lead the really fast, but it's still sort of by the books still takes kind of a lot of time. And so I was like oh, man. Like, maybe I should run back up and repel down, and like helped my buddy repel down the wall again or something like get out of here faster. Just because when search and rescues mobilize. It's a long time. And I was like if he's in a lot of pain, the sucks, you know. Yeah. There as I really has I wanna calling search and rescue and talking to through them to see if there's anything I can do to help. Ultimately, I wanted just going down because there wasn't really anything for me to do. So he's essentially just suspending for a while waiting for them to get him. Yes. So he basically just sat on a ledge with two broken legs for six hours or twelve hours or something. And then eventually they managed to haul them up to the summit. And then I think the helicopter them off the next morning. Oh, dark by then. Is kind of horrible. But he's recovered by nonce. It's been five months or something. So he's back at it always climate. He's the manager of climbing gym, he's you know. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's two broken bones on. Yeah. Could be worse. It just seems like no super grim though is like, but that's an example of sort of worst case, bad luck. Well, that's actually not worse case right now that yeah. That's not worse case that's bad luck. Yeah. That's like when you're sitting there if you're sitting there hanging off a ledge like that with two broken ankles for six hours. I mean that must be grim. But you don't get to you the scene swelling. And yeah, so I think he and his partner actually repel down one hundred feet to a slightly bigger ledge. So that he could lay on it and elevate his legs. And then I think there was some other climbers around the game jacket, you know, so he gets sort of bundle up, and like lay there and sort of manage. But yeah, I mean, it seems extremely character building the life you choose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's really I'm like that actually kind of makes me feel really bad because it just because like that kind of thing is really close to home because he's a friend, and it's just so like that bad. Yeah. Not can only imagine. Yeah. When when you think about your life, and you think about the stuff that you do do you d-? Is there a point we feel like you won't do it anymore or point we feel like you won't free solo anymore or do you look like your friend who you were talking about who's older who's still free soloing and doing difficult pass? Do you think this is just your life forever? No, I I don't know. I honestly, I'm not sure I don't think it's my path forever necessarily just because they're just aren't always bigger and harder things to do. You know what I mean? L cap represented sort of the end of this very long road for me. I mean, I I saw many many things that were all sort of leading towards El cap. And then I finally did that and in the least right now, I can't really imagine anything more inspiring to me in terms of freecell, plenty of other climbing challenges that I'm interested in like, I was just saying to the speed record or something that I did, you know this summer, but is this like winning a big hand in Vegas? We just like, okay. We got all the money. Let's get the fuck out of here. No. Because that's that. That is too much luck. You know what? I mean. It's like it's more like realizing life dream, and you're sort of like, okay. Yeah. I've seen but I mean, you know, it's it's a similar idea where you're like. Okay. I know it's not even. I mean, it's yeah. Yeah. It's about analogy. Yeah. In terms of like, no, no more big crazy risks. Yeah. But that's the thing. That is not even I was never seen it as a big crazy risk. You know, I wasn't wasn't rolling the dice. I was training for this thing. And then I did it. And I'm just not sure if there's a bigger thing that's worth more effort, you know. So I mean, you know, as you see in the film, like the relationship with my girlfriend, and she's great, and we have this nice live together. And there's so much else in climbing. And you know, I mean, maybe I'll never never seek out big free soloing challenges again. I mean, we'll see now you're still relatively young terms of life itself. Do you do you think maybe there could be something that you would enjoy as much as you enjoy climbing? Well, I mean, so no matter what I'll climb whole life. I mean, I've forgotten how love clamming. I mean, even on the film here. I'm coming in the gym every day just for the movement of it just to enjoy climbing. But I don't know. I have a foundation that I've worked with for the last five or six years supporting solar around the world. And so I could see putting more and more effort into that. I mean, that's something this satisfying in a way that climbing sort of isn't because it actually has a real tangible impact on the world climbing is really fulfilling personally. But when it's all said and done it's like, it's just me going rock climbing. It doesn't really matter. But, but at least working with the foundation, it's like actually doing something real what is your motion is just the hanalani nation. But it's a we've been supporting solar all this. I mean, if you want the the longer version is basically, you know, I was looking for some way to do something positive in the world. So I was looking to support environmental projects. And I was like there's no real point in supporting environmental projects that don't also support the increased energy living that like help people in need, and that sort of led me to solar projects, basically soy energy axis. And so that's what we in supporting last five six years. And so what do you do with this project was so domestically? It was mostly. It's just been my way of donating my money to to other projects that that supports all are so domestically in the US. I've been supporting this group crude alternatives, for example, in so I mean, I've done a few installations with them in in Sacramento in my hometown. Where busy low income family. Just gets a free home solar system on their house. And so it saves them energy bills. And then also in terms of you know, carbon emissions is just it's good for the planet. Greening the grid. But and then the bigger. Potentially the bigger impacts have been project. We've been supporting in Africa just give access like solar lanterns solar lights shirt. Cellphones? Busy, like small scale systems or was just a panel of battery in a few LED lights and charter, but but those kinds of things can fundamentally change somebody's life because east Africa people can spend up to a quarter of their income on kerosene just to light their home. Which is totally outrageous. I mean, imagine spending that percents your income just to have late after dark, you know, in like an Equatorial regions of the earth. It's dark for twelve hours a day. I mean, imagine if when the sun goes down your productive hours done, you're just like I'm just going to sit in the dark for twelve hours. It's crazy. You know? Yeah. I mean, they're a billion people on earth living without access to power. And I mean, it's hard not for. I mean, I kind of see that as a waste of human potential to some extent. Like, it's just an unfortunate thing to think. There's so many people living without access to power. I mean, it's crazy. It is crazy, and it's really crazy in California. There's not more solar. When you think about how often at sunny here. Yeah. No. I mean, it's it's totally though. I mean, at least it's it's growing very quickly in California at least. But I mean, really solar should be powering the whole or I mean enough sunlight hits the earth. Every I don't know the the terms it's every like ten or fifteen minutes basically to power the earth for the year. If you're able to harness all the energy, it's kind of like, it's just such a cleaner simpler way of power in the earth. You know? Yeah. It really is. And I mean, one can only hope that that's going to. It's going to keep continue. It's going to continue to evolve. The thing the thing that drives me absolutely crazy is that it's totally obvious that in one hundred years the earth will be run through solar and things like that. Because there's just so much energy spilling onto the earth, and it's free. And so the technology is only improving everybody's adopting it like in a hundred years. No question. Everything will be run from the sun. The thing that drives me insane. Is that there's so much resistance to it from utilities from from consumer ignorance from whatever else, but people just don't totally get it and sort of opposed to it. And so, you know, half the world will be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. And you're sort of like if you embrace it and get there in fifteen years instead of a hundred years all all the arguments about climate change all arguments about you know, environmental degradation, all this kinds of things would be mitigated to a large extent. And you sort of like is there a downside to that? You know, like, even if you don't believe in climate change, even if you know, you denial the science behind it, you think it's all Bs. It's like is there really a downside to just adopting. In the future sooner free. Yeah. It's like one of the things we were sort of like if it's gonna happen. Eventually there's just do it now and save all the frigging hassle again there. I think it's the momentum of the current system. It's very difficult for people to just abandon establish ways of doing things, especially where so hooked on fossil fuel. I know. But like is just such a bummer that the status quo is such a thing, you know, people like all of that's the way we do it. Let's just keep doing that. And it's just weird because there's so many things in life that changed so frequently you know, like, I mean the world is constantly changing. Like, let's just embrace the changes the matter the most and just do them faster. Well, you're talking about a guy who lives in a van and climates rocks. Business people that have thousands and thousands of employees and millions. If not billions of money of dollars invested in these things. Yeah. Well, yeah. That's the problems. Apparent system. I know it's just too bad. Yeah. What it's it is. But it's inevitable. I agree with you. It's inevitable that we will embrace it and change. I think one of the more frustrating though, is because it's inevitable, and yet it's going to be dragged out so long you're sort of like why can't people just embracing of ability of it and just move forward. Well, I think they slowly are but things like that take time. I think one one big thing is going to be if they can ever figure out a way to solar power cars as you're driving them. So you never really have ever be thing. We'll fisker figured out how to do it with your stereo. They figured out how to do it with your radio system and different car. It is a lot less energy. But it's just the roof panel, the roof panel, isn't that didn't we? They they're a weird company though. That's the company that. Many years ago. There was a big storm that hit the east coast, and they had a bunch of cars parked at a dock and the all exploded when the water hit them. And they realize that you can't get your things drenched in water like when the water hit a certain level like they had a severe flaw. And so they burst into flames and exploded. And there's this whole like doc filled with these fisker karma's that blew up, and they call them karma's, which is even more hilarious. You watch it exploding pretty bad. That's all bad all the way around. Yeah. I think they've since fixed that, but yeah, it was a big flaw that that's I was just actually reading reading this business management book. But he's talking about the Ford Pinto with a heaven frigging gas tanks to close to the bag bummer is basically your gas tank protected by nature, plastic, and you know. Yeah. Speech or it's actually I think killed lots of people because they actually put into production, and then they're tons accidents and the cars explode, and you're just. Just like man that's Vena bed decisions in auto manufacturing. Yeah. The Pinto's a disaster. It wasn't good. But yeah, I think what the what they're capable of doing right now. I think you're right. I don't think you can power a car with solar panels completely. I mean, you certainly can from your house that was their initial claim when they announced that it would power the whole car and was like that's bullshit. No. That's definitely bullshit. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Two years ago. They said they could power the whole car with the roof August of two thousand sixteen I'm trying to find any updates. But that's seems totally outrageous. Because also I mean the future of cars is born like a smaller car with. No like a glass reflect tesla style where it's sort of a. Right here. So roof create enough energy to power the car, no other vehicle. So the US has ever offered this capability. So that might be true. If it just sat parked in the sun for twelve hours, and then he drove home, right driveway. Yeah. You worked at night. Turns all day and your commute's really short story worked. Yeah. Well, you would know better than anybody. If you're involved in solar. Yeah. I don't know. But I mean, the solar panels of today mean I have a buddy of mine who does a lot of backpacking and he carries around this. It's like a foldable solar charge of hers phone, and he. Folds it up and laze it out, and then puts a charger there. And then he uses that charge to charges phone, but he kill go twenty plus days with Justice thing. I mean, so I mentioned our expedition an article last winter. So that's twenty four hours of sunlight because you're an article in the in their summer and our entire expedition was run from solar. And so we'd actually taking a generator and the other guys on the trip for oil for the generator, basically. And so it wasn't gonna work. And so we're like, oh, I guess we'll have to try to use the solar which it sort of been our backup system, and it actually we ran the whole trip on solar everything worked, and so they they were filming. So there are bunch of cameras bunch of batteries laptops, backing up drives why? And then they were flying drone quite a bit for aerial footage as all kinds of beautiful. So I mean, they basically ran this hawk relation off solar. When one of the camera guys has got a good friend of mine, basically just had to wake up every two hours to move the panels around the tent as the sun tracks around the sky, you know, so that it's always in full sun. Right and yet asleep with the batteries and things to make sure things stay warm enough. But otherwise, I mean with us I mean because I really cold. It's funny because you put your, laptops and stuff into coolers like into ice just to keep them insulated enough to stay warm as opposed to cold wonder if the outside temperature so called, but it was cool though. Because. You know, that we didn't have to run this loud, stinky, annoying generator like, you just have your panels working fulltime. Yeah. That's one of the weirdest things about like Tesla's when you drive it in like, there's no, yeah. No. It's awesome. Yeah. Still more peaceful. Yeah. I mean, but that's the future as if you mentioned a city, that's all silent electric cars. No missions. I mean, imagine how much more pleasant the pedestrian experiences when? Yeah. When it's not like diesel exhaust right next to you on the city streets. Yeah. You don't hear the car that runs you over? No. But you still do though because something like the noises the tires. It's like you still hear cars, but it's just so much more mellow. You don't hear like an engine like ripping right by you? Yeah. I think it's inevitable that we figure out a way that you can just power everything from solar. And including cars as you're driving them. I mean, the only makes sense as the technology improves me. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. I mean, there's development in solar film sort of in windows like so imagine office building where the windows are all producing power. I mean, if you think about that with the car is just like a glass dome over you. But it's all sorted producing power. Yeah. No. That'd be. I mean, that's pretty amazing. I have a watch on solar power. That's not a lot of power. Yeah. But still I mean, you don't really need any batteries for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do when I was a kid. I'd like that. Yeah. That's pretty that's pretty straightforward though. It's a small amount of power that's drawing when you got involved in this how much preparation did. You do. I mean, what what was what was the the motivation like how hear the foundation? Yeah. I mean, honestly, like I said I was just looking to do something positive for the world and so- exploring options you wind. So I was gonna start donating significant percentage, my income to to environmental, nonprofits. And then I decided that I should do it and sort of public facing way in in the form of the foundation, just because I felt like, you know, I'm never going to have nearly as much money as as real philanthropic organization. You know, like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Like, I'll never have. I'll never have real dollars like that. But I do sort of have this platform like some sort of public, persona, whatever. So I was like, well, at least if I donate things, I can sort of leverage that in the right way to contribute. I don't know. Basically try maximize the good that I'm doing. And so yes. And then I just started researching organizations that I felt like we're doing great work. And the that led me solar, basically does most of your income come from sponsors and from public appearances like how it was mostly sponsors. And then it sort of has shifted into sponsors, and sort of one off thing. So like a published a book a few years ago. So there's an advance from that. And like the film has made a little money the random little things, and the now it's also sort of split with corporate speaking type commercial opportunities as well. So sponsorship is still probably the biggest thing for me. So like the north as being my biggest sponsor and most important sponsor for me. But then now it's sort of split between a bunch of different sources is so the public speaking things of these corporate appearances, you just go and get just talk to them about free solo climbing and talk to them about climate talks about preparation or. I mean depends on what what somebody needs. Really it depends with organizations I've spoken to a bunch of. Venture-capital type firms about risk-taking and risk management. Or how interesting, you know. So they just look at you as like sort of inspiration mix things up for the company. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to think that it's a slightly more interesting talk than the average business speaker, you know, certainly more beautiful images. You know? Like, if I if I give a nice lad show Jaffer bed. It's you know. I mean, it's beautiful it's different. And but I think that it's still gets back to some of the same elemental issues talking about the. Yeah. I mean, how do you manage risk in your life? And what's worth it? And how do you choose? It's it's a smart move to for company to just kind of like vary. The kind of input that gets to the the employee's. Like, give them something. That's kind of spectacular and interesting, and yeah. Now when you look at the future. Do you do you have a map of what you would like to be doing do, you are you just sort of enjoying your experience here or do you? Do you have grand plans? I don't really have grand plans. I mean, I've never really had a grand plan. It's always been that. I love climbing. I wanna do it. Well, I wanna push myself. And I think that's kind of my grand plan. I mean, I'm I'm still trying to be a better climber. I'm still trying to grow the foundation do something more significant through it actually hired a full time executive director this year. This woman who's running a for me. We're just gonna awesome. So we're actually sort of ramping all up a little bit that was slightly in response to the film because that's sort of figured that. You know, this is like a moment that should try to take advantage of and use it to do something more positive. And so that's that's sort of exciting for me. And it's definitely not a grand plan. But it's you know, it's just sort of all incremental incremental progress. So when you're doing all these climbs you have a lot of time when you're takes time to do these things. Yeah. So is this when you start thinking about these ideas and let thinking about like how much you enjoy being out here in nature and hearing about the environment import. Yeah. For sure I mean, I spend most of my time in the most. Places on earth spending most Mattamy, national parks and public lands in general. And so I'm in all these beautiful places. And it's like, yeah. I mean, I care about them. I went to you know, if I have a family someday, I want to be able to take my kids to Saint places and have them appreciate the land in the same way. I mean, the so like you said the last five years for can the entire forest is basically died from from pine beetles. We'll all the pine trees basically died because pine beetles. And so like just in the last five years, I'd say the u seventy valley floor has sort of transformed from a dense pine forest to sort of this open oak forest. It's like totally different character. He's all the pine trees have died. And then they've been cutting them all down to reduce fuel wood. So they're basically logging trucks with pine trees leaving the park nonstop, which, you know, which I which I totally support him not like anti logging dead trees because you may as well use them if they're already dead, and I definitely don't wanna see somebody valley, I'll burst into flames. So it makes sense. But at the same time, I mean, you know, that's a real. That's a very direct result of climate enemies, ten years around California combined with with. Shorter winners. It's like you just have these beetles decimating the entire forest. And I don't know. I mean, that's that's sucks. You know? Like, I don't I don't wanna see the whole for his die. And is that an invasive beetle or is it a beetle? Yeah. They said, well, I think is invasive in that I don't know specifically with you seminar, it could be wrong about this. But with a lot of the pine beetle problems in in Colorado. It has more to do with a shorter winter and and warmer temperatures because normally the larva would die through the winter freeze. But you know, basically, they're not freezing to the same extent. And so the population explodes. And then you wind up with all the trees dying. You'll we were there in we were in big bear a few years back when they're having a real issue with it, and they were having real significant fire scares, and it was it was nerve racking. You somebody was like on fire for most of the summer is crazy for the whole southern part of the park was like burning for months, and that's you know, I mean fire is a natural part of the ecosystem, and the, you know, to some extent, you're like normal. But it's like it's not normal right now because the fuel load is so high it's like so dry. It's just it's too much. You know, and I just would love for my kids someday to be able to appreciate the park the way I have for so long, and I just don't wanna see you don't burn. Yeah. When I was when we were in big bear. That's my feeling. It was it was it was sad that you're seeing something that was probably this rich green lush forest. That's now really weird gray and dry. But it was also like your around kindling like you're basically in a big stack of. Dry would before it gets lit on fire, and you're surrounded by and there's you know innovate hits up there. It's I mean, I've we've been evacuated where I live several times twice actually come close a couple of other times. And it's it's terrifying. Because southern California when it goes it goes. Yeah. And there's just no stopping it. Now. I mean, that's yeah. No. I mean, that's like, yeah. This is why I'm like this. Why we transition a solar sooner, you know, because it's like if it helps at all with these kinds of issues like worth worth the effort, you know, it's going to happen anyway. So you might as well just do it now. So this thing that you were doing an article, you're filming something there's well do do a lot of that. Now. Well, if I trip like that for an expedition, I mean that was in this expedition, and so that's where they get a lot of their brand content. And so it makes sense to film a trip like that. And we are somewhere with nobody ever goes. We were doing I sense of peaks that have never been climbed. So it kind of makes sense to document that to some extent. But in general, I think I'll try to balance my just pure climbing with with filming. Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you like, you don't want to tell me everything on your head every week know that stuff drives me crazy. I'm not into that. But when you're in the most beautiful place, you know, sometimes it makes sense. Well, there's something especially for someone like north face. I mean, their whole company is about really expiration people up. Yeah. When when you're in that sort of situation, you're filming these things like I is it difficult to be to act normal to be to to be yourself. When if he's if you saw free solar, you know, that I only have one mode, and that's just that's just me. Which I mean, when when I see the film a lot of them like, oh, maybe I need to censor myself. Like, maybe a like, maybe it should be a little more thoughtful about what I say. But, but no, I mean, I'm pretty much always I just I just do me and a few filming or not that just get. I mean, I'm more mindful of profanity, and if you things like that if I know that I mean, filmed, I know I'm being watched and I try to be slightly more respectful, especially if I see kids in an audience at definitely try not to curse, right? But but overall, my not, I just always stay my mind. You know? Well, that's what I was talking about earlier when I was asking like the difference between you when you're it'd be your your love of this is your love of nature and of being in these beautiful national forests in public lands and experiencing these amazing environments, but then sometimes that gets sort of perverted when you filming everything, and you've got people just everything becomes this sort of presentation and everything becomes professional and. I mean, I think that's the risk with filming. I think with with free solo. I think they didn't amazing job of of maintaining. Yes. The the character, you know, the nuance. I not perverting in any way. No. I think I think it was amazing. Yeah. I mean, I think I think they did a really good job of that. They and it's still it's still sort of understated know, even though it's like this spectacular feet. It's still sort of subdued in its own ways. It's just sort of lays it out you. Let's you just sort of judge for yourself. And just well, you know, it's impossible to be anything but spectacular. So you don't really have to dress it up yet with the beauty of filming anything, and you somebody. It's it's honestly just one of the most beautiful. It's like putting a pretty dress on a Ferrari, leave it alone. It's done. You've already got it. Have you ever thought about doing some like live journal from the field or some sort of a podcast or something along those lines? No. I mean, should I. Yeah. No. That sounds sounds like she's much work. Well, a podcast. It'd be easy. No. But you have to be able to interview people properly. No. You don't know my friend Bill Burr has a podcast where he just talks. He does a fucking great. But he's a comedian y'all get Monday morning podcast, but you just sitting down. I mean, you could go off notes you could go off of and just I think people would love that. If you just you never thought about it. I mean in some ways, I do have strong opinions about a lot of things by just ranted about environmental issues and similar things that I care about that. I would be kind of fun think you'd have a significant impact to especially you have such a large platform. Now. I don't know. I don't know. I'll consider that's the first time. I ever mentioned. I'm sort of like, you know, think about the mom notorious for trying to talk people into podcast, but I really think in your case, it'd be a great idea. I mean, you really tell everyone to do it. But you should really do it. Well, people get mad at me. You keep told people to do it. But I think you if you had a portable unit like a one of these players record, a really, oh, yeah. Recording your phone is very easy. You could you. I mean, we've done a bunch of them were just the voice notes from the phone just talking into the voice notes from the phone, and you can make a podcast off that and it's really easy to upload. But just saving. Maybe that's my future sitting in your van, you know, afterwards and just talking about things you're working on with your Dacian talk. You about a spectacular moments. During climbs we you're seeing things, and you know, talking about what it's been like doing this tour for free. You know, no. I'll think about it. I mean, that's interesting interesting way to put it out there. I mean, I think it's a great idea, man. Right. We'll get it out. Your send me a little MP three recording. We definitely do that. But we could also help you like I can promote it for you put it on Twitter Lebowitz. Yeah. We'll see if if I ever actually do anything like that. But no, it's an interesting idea. I mean, it's an interesting way to like share she ideas better. Well, it's the reason why I'm saying this is because you have this very specific. Very unusual life, and you also have all these ideas about the environment and have all these ideas about using it for positive reasons. And and all hoping to make the world a better place on having making an impact with your Dacian. I really think you could look you the best thing with your foundation would be to make make an exposed to more people. And it would most certainly do that. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's I'll talk to my executive director about that too. I mean that would be an interesting way to to at least it's to care about. Yeah. Exactly. It's just sitting. And be kind of cool. You know, like like you at the base of a mountain just talking about this, and climbing and your personal thoughts in that moment. And could be do she, you know, but well done you'd have to be a douchebag for it to be Dushi. Well danger the danger you just never I mean, nobody thinks that they're the do. You know, do you think you'd become a dish? Never know. You never know when you're like, I'm just going to record monologues of me rambling about ideas. That's that's when you start to trend towards Dushi Douches for how. Well, the is. You could always review it or have your girlfriend review it. Yeah. That's so you don't have to do it live. Just you know. And then she could say, okay. That part we rant and rave about diesel. You might want to yank that. No. I mean or maybe not. Yeah. No, I feel stronger about I'll ran rave about these over. Yeah. That's just gross. Yeah. Man. Imagine when electric trucks, you know, like long haul trucking. Okay. Well, Tesla's already on there on the ball with that. Yeah. Well, hopefully, I kind of don't care who comes to market. I that stuff. I just want somebody to start showing a lot of them. She wants I got just wanted to change to happen quickly. Doesn't matter who does it or how it's like it just needs to happen. You've got a very significant voice right now. You know, I really think that you could make a big impact with a lot of people and the thing about these impacts it's sort of like the butterfly effect. Right. It's like, you never know what it changes. You have no idea. How many people are going to hear you just from this podcast? And the things you're saying about solar in about an and people thinking about like, yeah. Maybe maybe I can do something. And then boom, it just makes these little incremental steps, and then they carry on momentum. And you never know. Well, that's very that's the positive way of looking at it. You know, I just think cool to like in notes from wherever you are just I mean, he doesn't you don't have to have the beautiful thing is too. It doesn't have to have any kind of structure. You don't have to have any time. You do one for fifteen minutes. If you want and people will listen to it, you could do it for an hour. No that that might be a little micro hits like little rambles for sure do it as long as you want. It looked like I said the beautiful thing about things like this is that there's no there's no real structure to it. Where you have to do something. You just decide like in a lotta ways. That's that's the nature of climbing to where you never have to do anything. You just find what inspires you you work towards that. You do when you're excited about it. Yeah. I'm totally into that kind of thing. Because as actually that's I've always cry contrast to climbing from other mainstream sports like that because with climbing. It's like the objective is always you're always inspired by you, do it whenever you're ready as opposed to having to perform on the right day. The right time, I love that lifestyle where you're like, you know, today's my day or today is not my day, right? If like leading up to you free soloing L cap, if there was sort of a documented audio journal one trials to watch the film people are getting this is you're just wedding. Their appetite means a beautiful film. It's fantastic. But there's going to people like to general more stuff. Interesting, and it's it entirely up to you. What you want to share don't wanna share? And especially if you do it this way, you don't have an executive producer? You don't have directors. You know, totally with that. I definitely couldn't handle too much. Just you just you just talking about stuff and your specific vision or the things that you'd like to talk about your specific message. That's one of the things that people really really enjoy about something like a podcast is that they know there's no one telling you what to say. Or what to do that? You know? Here's Alex Alex is sitting in his van, you know, drinking a Cup of tea just with the iphone talking. It's hard to. Imagine you would find that interstate. Tell you. Oh, really surprised? I bet though tell them tell them Jamie, people, would it be listening to it. Jamie. No. But I'm I'm slightly worried. I'm going to be I'm gonna miss my plane. Okay. Yeah. We gotta get you out of here. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Really appreciated. Excellent. Yeah. It's fun to chatting because I remember last time. I was on the show is the full experience for it was one of the first time I've done anything like that. And it was like it was pretty Meg I was like, whoa. And no idea what I'm doing. This is so much and like now if someone for comfortable and fun to chat, it was Greg thought it was great. It was really great. It feels like coming of age to come back and chatting. That's really nice beautiful. Very cool. I appreciate it. Thanks. Appreciate you. Thank you. Everyone for tune into the podcast and thank you to our sponsors. Thank you to the cash app. Download the cash app for free in the app store or the Google play market. And when you download the cash app and to the referral code Joe Rogan one word you'll receive five dollars in cash app. Send five dollars to Justin brands fight for the forgotten charity. Thank you also to legalzoom taking care of legal issues online at your own convenience, and you will not be charged by the hour. 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#1356 - Sturgill Simpson & His Band

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#1356 - Sturgill Simpson & His Band

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Thanks me the Troubadour is such a great place to see too because it's so intimate man. You know it's such it's a really interesting place. It's so tight you know so old school in a fucking have happened that joint everybody everybody yeah. It was interesting for us. We didn't feel like it was a good show. I think we're GONNA woke up about halfway through but also we've been this close to people well. It was a great show. I enjoyed the fuck out of it and Suzanne from honey honey Suzanne Santo. She came with me to the she loved it. It was great man. We had a good time. It wasn't a bad show either now. Come on it was amazing. We had a great fucking time and it's just it's such a treat to see someone in such a small the venue venue so everybody was like jammed up on on top of her so when people went nuts for the songs you know like you felt it like you really realize when you're in a in a venue like that how much that contributes to the experience how intimate intimate. VIN venue can ruin a good show sure yeah anything we don't. I don't really like the amphitheater like outdoor. Amphitheater visited the tin roof sheds fill the is not. There's no connection because everybody that is close to you is sitting down. There's this giant picnic going on behind them up on the grass. It's always just a weird separation Jamie. What do we do to try a new out. Yeah the amphitheatres weird I mean they can be great great other others the picture from the last night that was fun man place. I mean how many people's that seat four hundred five hundred five stuffed got in there that is Enviro hazard sure someone someone Father Organza fire hazard. It was a good time. Oh really was ever last performed there recently. He was there like just a few weeks ago. I met that dude once he's awesome. He is a chill Gabby and he it really is the best where it was at. This goddamn owns like a skate skate shop. My Buddy. Ian Took me skate shop a bunch of sneakers. They're looking for some sneakers. There's just this little sleepy skate shop and then he's like. Let's go out back and we walked back. newslink Twelve X. Games champions back there just slaying this half pipe. I've never really seen that shit up. Close like that. Just like you know thrashing and it was intense and then we're sitting there hanging out and then fucking ever less shows up. It's like it's crazy. He was so cool he's super cool but I remember the one of the first time ever met him. It's one of those weird ones. We like my really hanging out with with this guy this really ever last house of pain. You know jump around with such a goddamn gigantic hit. It was like one of the greatest hits of all time the greatest I mean I guess you would call that a hip hop song right but it was it was a giant hit with like my generation so to be hanging out with them was super surreal. I'm sure he's had a very interesting journey thuc yeah yes. He was the first guy to join with inside a casino to. He just his fighter ever go where he wants. Smoke that where you just start smoking it all right we're going to do that. That was a pretty album. I think it was listen league's seventh grade. He was buried in a ferris. I remember that yeah. The fair is a good word for it a rip shit it kill it. Yeah cut your gut and spill treat. You like a gas tank. Take that S and fill it. Yes that's various for a ride to where I reside. Put that you face them a pillow and heavy. We've been like a willow. It's what it is y'all prolific prolific. That's intimidating right for sure sure that doesn't that doesn't freak you out a little especially if someone says it with with his voice now. I'll smooth Larry Larry Bird Jersey. You tried a lot of different forms of music. Do you ever think you would ever do hip hop. Oh God no that'd be a weird stretch. There's so so many other people that should do it other than me. You know I would love to but no I would love to produce a hip hop record with Bob. I think we could probably make some fat fucking tracks and just get some rappers to do the actual art yeah. I think I know what what you're saying. I know how you feel but I think you could pull it off. Yeah I think surge ill yes. You kind of already does all right. Go give me up man no bullshit. I spit on the bus a little bit tricky told our homes you'd have to be lit. You you could do it. You know who can fucking rap for a White Guy Charlotte booth man yeah. You did some radio show years back out here in. La It was it actually impressive. Wow freestyles fire it for a dude. It's a WHO's. A white guy is a risky choice right. It's risky brought. It and you've got to figure you gotta decide whether or not you're going to go with the Shiloh. Booth album opened up the doors ores manifest it make it happen. Yeah White Guy Rappers have to be real careful with their accent like figure out how you're going to pull that off. I went to high school with a lot of those white guys that like did that tried to link talk like they were blogging. Never could understand what was going on. It's a weird one. It's weird one miles and miles and I went to the same high school he gradually fifteen years astrum means he knows about the Whoa fo with for county the what I'm talking about up. I'm sure it was still very much a thing. Oh it's still is we were just talking about how few white guys become successful rappers like what if if of all the things that people attempt to do that might be one of like there's only a few this is like you know. Eric from ever lasts from house pain. There's a M Inam. There's feedback Miller Mac Miller yeah third base third base for sure those guys great eminem of course Yeah Eminem of course number one number one. I think he's just an all time great rapper period white or not but like white guys is it one around boy the white one route versus. White Kaiser successful wrapping that fucking number stupendous not good odds. That's intimidating right. There's no there's no denying that some white guy no yes informa- like he had like a whole thing yeah yeah yeah talking to Mike Brother. Sorry Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. He went Jamaican on us right but it was really good. This is even weirder fuck. It was less he's from Jamaica. Oh wasn't no just keeps. That's the nicest hell up there. How did he go go to the MIC goes from Toronto Yeah Yeah. Let's look good. Call good call. I loved that one song though that informer more song was bad ass insane would be no and say what city but he's from Iran Toronto born in Toronto really wow there you go yeah he went Jamaican and no one else even ventured to step in his footsteps. It was like a successful hit song but it didn't like open up a whole door of like Jamaica and it didn't even open up a door for him man. That's the only fucking song ever heard that good. That always freaks me out about your business is is it there are a few cats that come up with one song they just fucking smash well that happens because whoever's in charge of their career as investor's interests which is pushing that single and then it does its thing and if they can't come up with the identical thing again they don't know what to do and they stick them on a shelf and you never hear from them again okay now but it just sits off it so final like if you're a comic and you have a Shitty special you can get your shit together and come up with a good next special. There's nothing like like a huge hit to destroy your music career. How many I mean really really good songs. If you stop and think about history we're from from a ban where you heard like maybe two of their songs ever I would say ninety percent of them so many so many pop in that in that world you know if you're like radio songs and syndication yeah. This is usually. How much is that changing for you guys because the Internet I mean you when you first start your career like how much of an effect on the Internet have on like promoting things or getting the word things versus now huge because we were not on radio even now when did you when Wendy triple eight play now things like that. You're not gonNA I guess early on touring blogs and reviews press and things like that get circulated word of mouth from shows people come to shows to get the mind-blowing. They talked about it on twitter you know and then it just it's organic grassroots kind of thing and you sort of realize that a point you don't really need any of that other antiquated shit people but to but to to make it happen like we did. You have to go out and do the laps. You have to put the time in earn your metals. You can't just sit on youtube right right right so that's a a big part right. You shows like how many shows you guys are doing well now. It's already out there so people just do it for you. Really spreads easier and faster now. Billy Miles has been with we've been playing together others since he was nineteen man like in a win for people sleeping on one floor about two weeks ago you drive seven miles or Sar seven hours and you hope thirteen people show up to maybe by a t shirt and shifts. You got gas to get to the next town. There's a lot of life questioning nights out there. In the early days you know Roy Wood is Roy Wood. Jr.. Really hilarious stand up comedian. He had a really similar story when he was talking about his beginnings as a comedian that he would get these gigs and he wouldn't have enough money to get home and then he would get gigs and while he was there he would take a job like day job like a day labor he would wear fucking hard hats and gloves and shit work all day and then do the stand up at night. It's like those guys who go through that kind of stuff. There's no substitute for that. No I know there's no. There's no other way to really get that. There's something about the seasoning of the unsuccessful or barely successful early years. It seems for all my favorite artists. It's it's so critical they all have it whether the comics or whether the musicians this that fucking grind in the beginning anywhere go left or right like you can make it or it could completely fall apart and you'd have to be almost delusional and a little crazy. I was I I mean I. I had a great job that I quit to go. Do this shit finally give it a go. That's probably thirty five years old. You know there's a Lotta Nice wouldn't fuck am I doing. You know what I mean played. It worked and that's why last night so fun because nobody else won't well wrote a song about turtles and drugs on your nobody else so I just I feel whenever a country music song comes out with the MTA got my attention Fila Sivan LSD. That was a great song. Though a great song introduced the world to a different idea that you know just music man you know like whether it's country or psychedelic or psychedelic country it's great. It's great you know and you switch it up. This new album is so weird man. It's great. It's great but it's so interesting if you go back to your first album and then listen to this hour but that's not the same fuck and they're all different expressions our interests but it's really exciting when when someone mixes their style up as much as you do and you guys put together these albums you know each one of them is. They're uniquely you do but they're all different. It's it's a you've got a real weird thing going on man like if you went back and listen to your first album and then listen to they're all awesome awesome awesome in all these different ways Matt. It's so cool to see all this experimentation like this anime thing you're doing with this and it's really bad that that was really just sort of a a lot of things lining up out of my control that that that movie we only started on that literally a little over a year ago and just the way it all came together and how many people were working simultaneously is the only reason they got finished as fast but it definitely delayed me releasing the record for at least a here but it's such a great idea woman. You know we're here well. The whole reason we went in the studio made this thing is because we reach the point of Burn out I definitely did and then you also reached a point where it now you realize the only way we're going to survive and make money as musicians as touring so why would we make this is fun for ourselves as possible you play these festivals in Iraq and out three or four songs and the people jumping and I just kind of asked everybody why why can't we you just go do that for two hours and make music that people can dance and have a great time to instill miles probably been listening to me. Talk about making you know fucking stepped rock and roll record for five years. We did it but it's it's great that you take. Those steps. Help a lot to last. We were touring twenty eighteen in the music music. Just sorta going there anyway onstage how's it. How's it going there. Anyone say he's like you guys stretching out more abandoning core fundamental the middle structures of the songs like I wanna be a karaoke machine anymore. I got I got so bored and burn out with Stanford and play in the same way every night and you do isolate some fans but at the same time like if we're not inspired how the fuck is anybody else going to be right so eventually you will find your audience wants to go with you and music songs. We're turning into ten and fifteen eighteen minutes. Just me being high in having a good time you know yeah. That's what I caught that the brace for impact on and Colbert somebody shared it and I hadn't seen it basically since we did it in two thousand sixteen and it's almost a completely different song right like you could literally see eh the changes from two thousand sixteen to now. It's amazing. Yes we made this record. June of two thousand seventeen and had to sit on it couldn't play any you have a you know you go out and the other thing so now almost two almost two and a half years later from the time we recorded in the studio and I was writing the lyrics. We were making this music in the moment. We'll go out. We've been hurting for two weeks and it's already at a point like shit. I wish we could record it now. Because you have all these ideas that you just to have in that moment and you get a year and a half later on a tour playing that material it's a whole other animal you know because you've you've just found all these little all the nuances and things that you can flourish that you just don't think about when you're in a con- control for eighteen hours a day. Is that a common tactic. The we are always changing your your songs. You're always fucking with them and continue to hope so yeah comment with other artists it should be. It should be if they're worth a shit but is that a normal thing like when you guys get together and talk about how you make songs like. COMEDIANS talk about how they make jokes. We don't really talk about it right lyrics and stuff or maybe have like a rough idea structure inform. These guys are all like bona fide. Musical geniuses Agnes's me and they're they're flavor. That's what you know like on this record. I'd never done it before at a certain point anybody that's in the room is contributing whether they're writing the songs are not just the presence the energy they bring to that track like there. If you got a guy that plays the perfect thing I take. What are you really producing. You're you're hiring someone for what for as a tool and you know like Nashville. There's all these session players so in a sense it's just this giant toolbox and there might be ten guys you could call the day to do this thing but two of them might be way more perfect for this specific thing than those other eight they're all bad asses but you you know you can flavor and I just found the right the right flavors that I want to stand up there with because he's he's got make ten records with these guys and they're all going to sound like ten different bands now. Is this because you guys don't have. I mean how much influence do record companies have on new bands like when new bands are coming up and they're trying to put together their music. How much influence to record companies have on the creative process. It just depends. Did they discover. Were they already are they. Are they jumping on board with something. That's already working well. I mean someone like an as an artist like someone looking at you as an artist to go yeah yeah. You'd let them do whatever the fuck he wants. You know let them know. That's a very rare thing. It's rare with record companies. I had I got it contractually contractually written into my contract the nobody could tell me what to do so it's common that you get fucked with. Everybody's going to have their two cents input. There's GonNa. Here's what we really want you to want to do. Right because like is probably I would think there would be executives. Go Stop Stop fucking with it right there. Just leave it right there. Trust me put it out like data. Those are the actual record men the guys that used to run the record business like they knew what the real shit was and you don't fuck with the real shit but there's very few of those people oh actually working in the record business anymore all twenty five thirty year old bottom line quarterly report motherfuckers. It's all about the money yeah. Wouldn't you think that excellence would bring money especially today. In this Dania with the Internet excellence yeah then they have to working find it like formulating this tried and true Mrs Butterworth Recipe proven. Give me seventeen those because again it would suck to be in a business with art you know or like thinking about it like a business business yeah but it's art. It's product in your music involved. ANYTHING TURNS INTO A product right yeah but it's just the the business aspect of it like someone trying to think about what's the best way to sell. What's the best way to. What's the best way to push it? What if we changed this and added that will put some gospel singers in the background around. What if we did this. What if we you know but you've avoided it. What if we get this person perverse on. How'd you avoid it? What did you what did you do to avoid most of that bullshit still figuring it out. I don't know man just didn't do it. I say no allowed. I think that's the thing to say I'm Lazy Shit. I got really. They WanNa do something yeah especially when you don't have to write man. What were you doing at thirty five when you quit. Do you worry a railroad operations manager at a Railyard intermodal yard out in Utah run on a railyard just overseeing the switch in incrusion that when the trains would pull in from east and west side of the yard we would break those trains apart and like look at other manifests and drive cars off the rails and build them into those trains and then crew him again and get them on task was working like ninety hour weeks mostly cleaning train wrecks and derailments or like they blew a switch input three cars on the ground we we we were central artery in the in the mid. West are really that that corridors kind of the cross section of the entire country's shipping commerce if we fucked up and tied up the main lines than we kinda shut down the railroad. Do you know it's fucked up. You could never tell a kid. Hey you wanna you WanNa make meaningful meaningful music. This is what you gotTa do you gotTa struggle in like difficult jobs till you're thirty five and barely get to where you I wanna be where you really kind of freaking out about your future and then pour yourself your heart and soul and then find success after that that's good move impactful music but if if you if you get into music like early on in your life and make a career early on in your life you miss everything that you did by being an older. You're a thirty five five year old man that makes it jump. That's old mood that makes sense but there's been a lot of incredible artists that made some truly visionary should at twenty you know for sure but there's a life experience aspect your music we. I wouldn't know what the I wouldn't have any of this shit to write about. If I'd done it at twenty God probably Pussy Yeah for sure for sure. Yeah Yeah and you're young welts. Will you think about you know you're talking about stars and horoscopes and you probably bullshit and people podcast go real quick he does that now talks about Stars and Stripes now. What do you think about horoscopes. You think it's Israel on your strategy. From what do you think of course goes. I'm actually interested in what he thinks about. Horrors goes yeah. What do you think about man. I mean somebody just making shit up for other so you don't have to break your neck yeah. You're just making stuff up. If you're if you're reading a horoscope or so much trying to plant plant like give you some sort of indication of what's going to happen serendipitous. Lee or by fade either way as someone making the Shit. Oh Shit people looking for patterns. I think I'd have to learn about like the astrology aspect of China if they're using that new numerology is is the only thing in that world even remotely interesting interesting is based on like mathematics universal equations and show of basically basically like don't write some people can get a little loopy with it and they will. They'll likely won't fly an airplane. They'll have their numerology. Just look at the flight numbers number on the plane and how these things correlate weather. This is a wise decision or not. You know that that to me is what you know. Nancy Reagan was all deep into that really alleged deepen their astrology actually and she had like some famous astrologer who had read do the readings for them and she would dictate whether or not Ronald Reagan should go and do shit based on numerous based on based on astrology numerology just strategies but but she didn't she is that the case I'm pretty sure she was like balls. Deep into it like really industry after this acetate. Should we look it up. Yeah we're looking at. Jamie's always got got got here. Goes Quigley was born in Kansas City Missouri. She was called on by first lady. Nancy Reagan in one thousand nine hundred one after John hinkleys attempted assassination of the president and stayed on as the White House astrologer in secret until until being ousted in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight by ousted former chief-of-staff Donald Regan. She said I was responsible for timing all press conferences most speeches the state of the Union addresses to take off and landings of Air Force One claim those she claimed a bigger your role in her nineteen ninety book so we'll just Jones say well yeah interesting. That's crazy interesting. Yeah people go to believe in patterns so that's but then there are patterns so maybe there's a thing you know. Maybe maybe there's a reason why we like to believe in patterns but as I agree with you this idea that someone's going to be able to like when were you born. Oh Tuesday seven am okay yea. Stay home tonight. Fuck out of here you can't you don't know what the Hell's going on this is guesswork but also statistically you're going to have patterns. Three hundred thirty million people yup same thing yeah one hundred percent. I don't really notice those patterns and they find a way to take what someone has said and like make. It seem like Oh that's he means my brother my my brother my brother and I have this problem really have to work it out. That's what you're saying. Yes I think it is your brother in fact what color is hair. It's black yes guys. What are you the have you ever been to an impasse. No I have not no. What do you think about that exactly what that means they. I I don't know I guess it's what they call. PSYCHICS now getting ripped off impasse. They're very pathetic. Feel things I was that what it is you're dead. You're dead family and I don't think that anyone on this planet. I don't think there's an an equal ability to perceive Steve Anything. I think some people way more perceptive. Some people are smarter. They see patterns better. They see trouble common. They see problems. They see things better than other people do and and I think there's feelings that you get sometimes like weird feelings. Then someone will call you know like fuck. I was just thinking about that too. That is weird. Someone sends you a tax. You even thought about talk to them in months and months and months and all of a sudden you think about them at. Bam attacks comes through or they're calling you. I don't know what that is but one time we were all texting by Jean Claude van down and five minutes later my net flicks recommendations are full of John Claude van Damme. I've never watched his uncle at Van Damme move on Netflix in my life increase yeah that should keep you out. That should creep you. I had a meeting with netflix about this anime thing early on. I brought this shit up and asked him point blank. They said no fish for coordinating. Just get results. Maybe it's like they have a cleaner and they say to this guy listen. I don't give a fuck. You find out what these people are talking about. You could find out right yeah. Maybe we'll see just don't tell me just do it. Just do it and this guy just like this. Thing is just listen every Goddamn word you say providing suggestions for things as you can buy an Amazon maybe but I was thinking about Psych Excel as I think some people probably better at that. There is moments moments where some people have a weird sense. I just don't think it's consistent enough for anybody to pay money for it. The anybody's ever demonstrated a real like provable psychic power but it doesn't mean that I don't think that that's look we can smell. Why can we smell. What is that is some shit. You can't even see and you can determine whether or not something terrible able based on it. I mean you could smell rotten meat. You like Oh what the fuck. That's your whole body. You don't even see where is it. How do we not know that there's other senses that we can develop our ability to perceive good and bad people are our ability to perceive whether or not someone's like a truly kind person with someone's sociopathic. Maybe there's ways to see whether or not people are compatible with your way of thinking. Maybe there's ways to see weird. Shit that people report thinking like if someone's planning angry about hit somebody maybe you could see Maybe you could feel it. Maybe you don't even know what the fuck it is but it smells like the same way rotten meat smells. I was like Whoa I gotta get the Fuck Outta here his feelings you get from certain people that are just earn his eighty cents ninety cents. Yeah I mean. It's just sucks just like early. Chimps were really bad at talking you know and then eventually became people talk for a living we talk all day you sing. fucking chimps couple fucking noises. That's all they have. Do you know they lie to each other monkeys do I was I was listening to this podcast for I forget what they were talking about but they got this thing where it was deception with primates that they'll pretend like that. There's an eagle common so that everybody dives down then they'll steal the fruit. They'll make noises. They'll make noises like like different animals coming to get you and they fuck with each other like they have noises equals eagles and they'll. They'll duck down here fucking eagles. Oh Jesus like like the unity the eagles where they have a word for it the word for these monkeys like there's a certain screech that they make that represents something coming down from above of my miles is things easy on the bus. I do the same things your favorite song. I gotTA sing it. He loves the EAGLES AFTER JOE Walsh. There were different van Dan. This is like pre Joe. Walsh Eagles Joe Walsh makes everything better job losses savage victim him of love love that song you can fuck off to great. God Damn Song do even introduce you properly. No Okay just think we introduce Mike Tyson Ladies and gentlemen. I'm hanging out with these guys because I'm a green beret and I got hurt and you saw the show last night so I'm speaking at the shows because sturgeon on his well. Let me backup. I got blown up in March and I was in the hospital previous year. Come off of a deployment eleven months before the second one was a bit down in the down in the dumps. Got Divorced had a do die in the first trip so it's Kinda like Louis real rough to deal with and then was listening to these dudes quite a a bit and then lead into the next deployment as their month boom almost died pretty hard teammates save me and we we had blood on the ground like I got blood on on target and then they made a hellacious movement to give me the Medevac long story short. I'm eating dinner in the hospital. One of the first meals jamming coming out to these dudes and I was like mom I wanna meets Turtles Simpson and then she tried to get a hold of them so calm eventually did and he came hung out for like two hours as I made my friend now general wait like fifteen minutes so that we could finish talking about what you're talking about. which when you're when when you're an enlisted dude you don't make generals weight but as I'm not academy and so's sweet but then startle headed headed on his own accord to do like donate to the foundation so this little tour going on that coincides with the actual album release is donating to the Special Forces Foundation so that that helps gold star families? which are the families that remained of remained friends? They got killed on this trip so there were four green berets in to detect and so that money's going to them and that's that's what I care about like I'm alive. I don't have any legs below my knees for those that can't can't see my legs on the video anyway but and testicles either so that's a different set of challenges but I I don't care about about getting taken care of other than the normal army processes but I want them to get taken care of from the foundation so I'm grateful to have these guys as friends. Now there are some amazing musicians but amazing people then grateful to be here in just a push that out so people are coming to the show's all that money goes the foundation and then and people can go on the foundation's website which is Special Forces Foundation Dot Org and yeah I appreciate it. That's fucking awesome man. It's really really really cool. It's really cool that you're doing this and and thank you for coming here and telling everybody. Is You know this is It's a great way to great way to help out and and your music you know to to connect it to that. I think that's that's just a fucking incredible thing. It's really cool. You know when you send me text messages telling me you're going to the hospital. You know it's very touching this. This is like yeah yeah. You can tell your seriously moved by this and you know for someone like you truly understand the consequences ward like the physical consequence of in a way that none of us will understand you know it's it's very not just brave of you to talk about this but it's also it's so so valuable so valuable for everybody that that hasn't served to understand. It really is so thank you for that well. I always say really like combat those in a lot of it relatively speaking bun bunch of guys have been way more combat. Bunch of people people treated more casualties. I'm a medic but I was in fairmount almost got killed on the first trip a good handful times and then. I just don't like the war aspect effect when you see your friends get killed and you're stuck in a hospital bed on top of all the stuff. That's you know I didn't shit for a week. Got pissed blood for a week. I've had tons of nights of excruciating pain. That's the life of an amputee or guys that are worse than me so I'm just grateful for having what I have yeah. That's the beginning of it like especially on Ketamine when you're going through all that and you're just like I was telling the people that took the trash trashing the room. Hey I'm grateful for you. Brother shred all brother. What is What is Kennedy in like after catastrophic injury like that? Does it relieve the pain. Does it just put you in another dimension. SA- Ketamine is a an MD this sucker just an ketamine is a an NBA antagonists in the brain so essentially is associated so the way that it feels because we learn this in class as a medic and everything but the the way that it feels is kind of takes your perspective and its like Shh always felt like a whirlwind when if I was getting a push of it but things like you're starting to get your vision masked asked and you're you're still there but you're dipping into like sub-conscious because you're still conscious because unconscious would mean that you're like you pass out and you cannot have a gag reflex depending on how unconscious you are so Ketamine I would close my eyes and immediately early trip the most insane balls you could imagine open that'd be back in the room and it'd be like what the Fuck Oh and then a friend of mine when I left my first rotation he was an air force. CCT that got blown up in the same village. I had a few casualties in he stepped on ID. He's an above the knee some missing fingers but when he was on ketamine when he was awake and looking around he'd see the walls on fire and then there'd be like women white Pale skin in the corners peeling doing the skin off their back and he was like a wake on. I was like Ju like whatever I don't know must be like someone psychology when they go in like set and setting type thing thing but I was in it. When I got a lot of ketamine my legs were blown off. I'm getting worked on. I'm telling you how to treat me cut my shirt off and then I get the ketamine you mean like in and out and I see these visions back and forth and like I was convinced. Does there are two distinct moments. I'M NOT GONNA make it and had that conversation so and what surreal about this right here is that you were talking to him. I am on this show and you guys talk about combat medics and you're like singing key right on talking about me and then I got all kinds of jacked up makes you appreciate makes you appreciate life and I've gone through huge development and last year through depression and then this year after this blast of like being grateful in like in doing introspection in communicating and having empathy for other people and being passionate human which General Mattis told us a group of us on the way back my first trip. It's like don't let this experience of war make you more hateful human being because people haven't experienced it. Let it low yourself to go through post traumatic growth and become a better human being and treat other people like you. WanNa be treated and try and out add onto that which came from Tim Ferriss treat yourself the way you treat other people too. That's not a side side of mattis that you ever hear in the press. I suppose not that's the thing that would be very valuable for people. They know that he thinks that way. That's a it's a very powerful way to view this inevitable the inevitable consequences of war that that started scraping me off the bottom. It's a focus on that after that trip yeah that Kademi shed is a weird one because a lot of people do it recreationally and apparently they they blast off and go into other dimensions and Shit and they're gonNA K- holes never knew died from it. He was really into it doing a lot what happened. I don't think infection he I know he he probably was doing about a bunch of other things as well but he was treated for Ketamine for addiction and then he wound up time you can dose the Shit Academy Yeah You couldn't. It doesn't kill you. You can give a kid three hundred megs of it and they will fucking trip balls but they are going to. They're not going to die like the opposite of all the other drugs the think he was doing other shit too. Yeah I think the ketamine was just something he was treated for. I think he was two and bunch of speed and stuff to which it's ketamine was originally isn't a cat tranquilizer or something like that. We give it to my wife best friends veterinarians. You definitely like Jack in Animals Academy. It's it's increasing now. Civilian hospitals started as a veterinarian drug which I mean it works great and you combine it with some other stuff dino. John Lilly is now John. John Lilley was the scientists that he was a pioneer in interspecies communication deals work with dolphins and he was also a big asset freak and he would like to take he would take acid and try to communicate with dolphins. He allegedly give dolphins acid. He was part of his long standing program trying to get dolphins to talk to him but one of the things he invented. It was not a movie about this. There is state altered states is based a lot on John Lily because he invented the sensor sensory deprivation give the dolphins acids the movie now because says in a loosely based on him because in the movie the Guy Experience with a bunch bunch of different types of sensory deprivation tanks and everybody knew that this guy was a legitimate doctor brilliant guy but he was also a ketamine freak and one he he would do is take intramuscular ketamine and then get into the sensory deprivation tank yeah. That's a double whammy yeah a double merimee. Is that stuff difficult to get off of or. Do you have to worry about that. Is there like a withdrawal syndrome. The issue would be with the pain like when you have something that's controlling some sort of level of pain and then coming off of that you usually weaned off of it but they're not a physical addiction issue. I should know the answer that definitively but as a medic but I haven't heard of anything that words car to come off of the has you another way harder to come off. Oh Yeah I was on Methadone who and disturbed French shooter enough mccague came to the hospital and stuff like Methadone is worse than heroin like gene. Our guys were rock in the eighties. I mean one one week. I dropped down twenty. Migs instead instead of ten and it was like being junkie like for nine hours. I was just like rubbing my legs like because they're just lit up with nerve. Pain feels like there's daggers in your leg or some sort of electric. You look like on a movie with someone cracked out or something. I was just like rubbing my shit we used to let's see these guys who would come into the Pool Hall on Easter Play Pool in White Plains they'd come in there was a methadone clinic down the street and they were all hair heroin people and my friend and Johnny B. would call the method donations because they would come in. They all had like this like sort of like doll shuffled to them. They're all slowed down and I can never understand it. It was like I was like is this like a culturally like someone agree. Did we make some sort of agreement like this drugs okay. This is it's got. It's got some Komo some stamp of approval so we're accepting that they have to get Methadone every day but it can't get heroin anymore. Why don't we just give them heroin. How much different is the Methadone. The Methadone game-high Hi with synthesize was easier to control but does it get them high while no it's just fighting off. The physiology just fights physiology. You'll never get highly. I let spike early Houghton narcotic for like the other the adverse effects but don't people have like the best effects with like like I began and things like that when it comes to of forgetting kicking opiates yeah if you want to go through that I would say you know that would probably be your best but prevert quick solution. That's what you mean. The Methadone is like it is actually bad for you isn't it. Yes it folks I didn't sleep. I don't have deep sleep for four months. I'd go to bed at nine not falsely till three in the morning that Fox with everything to the pretty Shitty Shitty Year dam and how long does it take you off of the Methadone. I mean once you're off of it. The doctors are saying that it stays in your adipose tissue fat for like two or three weeks because I'd have random nights when I was off of it and just get lit up with nerve pain like getting hit with a hammer on my toes so probably four to probably like six weeks of weaning that and then I weaned another drug lyrica mean for you because you were there at walls read the whole time you had to feel frustrated but for the first time I came him to see that was only what how what a month after the blast at most so yeah he he was still a lot of more pain. I could even comprehend somebody being you know from nerve pain for the how many how many surgeries on each leg close to thirty surgeries injuries total which staples in your back to where they taken. I mean you you describe just man just like how can anybody and he was still as he said the first time we met he was highs giraffe balls on academy and be like I was I was profoundly impressed by even then like how clear headed and articulate and obviously guys oxygen brilliant you know what I mean like you just through the fog and awareness of everything going on the room. Despite the faint the pain he was trying to pretend like he wasn't in and then that place is full of guys like him and when I went back it's like all new faces you and these people but then when I went back the second time I went to see him. was there a couple days and it was just a matter of short time. It was leaps and bounds. He's in the gym on one leg like fucking Boston. Twenty pull ups and everything you know. There's gotta be something weekend. Anything you can do to help in whatever way and and these guys ended up to them knowing him. I've never once ever heard him. Ask for anything. His only concerns were like for the families of the guys that that didn't make it you know so. It's just really around album release. If I'm going to have a bunch of attention on me me I thought it would be a good opportunity to put attention on what other people can do to help these guys thank families because they're the sacrifices especially sitting in these rooms and looking at if these do me and I can't even you can't you know what do you. What do you call that yeah well. I WANNA help so after the show. Let's figure out what we can do to jump in I wanna I want to help so help at the podcast help with some comedy shows maybe to just whatever we can do that. I'm yeah listen. I'm blown away Bahamas as much as I think all these people are listening and watching this is It's beautiful doing this man and I think that you know minutes inspiring inspiring me to do something. I think it's probably spire a bunch of other people and that's that's. That's those things that people talk about one thing that you might experience or here. In life changes changes your worldview and moves you in a better direction this is this could be one of those things you know well. You're good man aside asset well. I'm thankful he's I'm just a dude. You're awesome dude. All you guys it's cool. I'm very we're happy that you're bringing awareness to this real. Happy that you do on that makes me feel right like Justin said the the war side of it is the the the tragedy I guess so it's not like you know right or left is just like this is. The reality of it and people are making these sacrifices. This is for you in when they come home. What do we do for them. You know it's hard for people to accept that wars inevitable to a hard thought and it doesn't seem like it's inevitable because it's not inevitable in this room. I mean if we were the last people on Earth and there was a bunch of food and places to asleep. I think we'd probably not kill each other. We'll probably wouldn't go to war right like what is the number where you go to war. Is it a million as a two million is it separated by oceans ends is just mountains of boundaries but the fact that no one thinks that war can be solved like no no one that I know thinks that in our lifetime time there'll be no war then. There's never been a period where someone on earth. It's human hasn't been going to war with each other. It's a horrible full truth of being a person and nobody nobody knows it. The way you do so for you to come on and tell your story the way he just did. I appreciate the fuck out of that man and so I would just want people if if they hear that and then moves them. It's more of like a just be grateful on a regular basis for what for anything I mean. Steven Steven Pinker was on your show ended up facetime with him as a result of all this but like he has that book about basically the the enlightenment worked in we still have war or and then there are people still fighting it but overall the world is continuing to improve steadily getting better and fewer people are dying from genocide and war but it's still exists so I'd want respect for war. If someone is wanting to go to war you know if someone is going to be a commander in chief and that's that's a heavy thing to like toss back and forth it means that I may never have kids because I'll have my balls like like like that you their sacrifice and on the one that lived and I didn't have any kids but like my friends have four girls. My other mother friend has three kids so if you're gonNA move the chess piece of war then we need to understand the implications of what that means and try to do everything and political power in state strategy to avoid over war especially a near peer. That's Russia Russia. Nuclear War would be the worst thing you know. It's an as worth three mutually assured destruction is the strangest thing that we all have enough weapons point each other to literally nuke every fucking man woman the child off the face of the earth many times over and that's what keeps us from using them but yet we still have them and we still have pointed at each other. I mean I remember when you were kids and we were worried about Russia. Do you remember that Shit. I'm older. I'm worried about people walking into target with a suicide suicide vest yeah yeah. was that coming right. Yeah you could all of it is. Europe's been dealing with that shit for decades. Okay as you know we really haven't tasted that yet like on a on a widespread habitual scale so it means a lot of people are working very hard it to make sure we don't. Yes how how does anybody ever fix that. How does how does any country. How does civilization solicitation as a whole ever fix that? I don't think you really can't because it's a it's an idea to change the money's mind I was. GonNa say Mushrooms but the Vikings took Mushrooms Vikings love taking mushrooms and fucking people up Ketamine in isolation takes pretty. Put everybody good place yeah. It's weird just to the I mean most people. Most of the time are never not thinking about killing somebody but we know that it's just inevitable part of being human that groups are Gonna get together and fuck up other groups of people yeah. It's always been a part of us. It's one of the strangest things about human beings truly strange because the consequences are so awful and yet it's inevitable. I had had to make that decision. This year. I found out I'm not a psychopath was very reassuring yeah. You told me about that yeah yeah. That was else. I don't know it'd be honest. I'll tell the story for forget. The thought everything else associated with what happened happened after that I found more impactful in the stuff. That lasted stays with you. What actually happened happened was seeing aftermath and like the system and how it all yeah pans out we had we had two home invasions within thirty six hours. I guess on the first time the guy came in mill night about two thirty three. Am and our back door had the sensor aren't made a very signature noise and if you live in your house you know the noises in your house and it's for for whatever reason it just woke me up from a dead sleep and I knew what I heard and the only thing that would make that noise so I kind of snake my way out the hall and down to the top of the stairs and when I hit the top of the stairs I heard the dog dog growl and the door closed back so I knew that was somebody leaving a huge fucking dog basically useless but he did growl and he made it very a primitive noise. I was proud of him and didn't come in because of that and I went downstairs and kind of swept the ground floor then he was gone. I didn't WANNA freak my wife out so I waited the morning at teller and then we called police of course one of the neighbors got along like a ring cam in the back alley the guy leaving and going down the street so I had a very clear view of him on for whatever reason my wife the kids they had to go on down to where we actually live. I was working that week in Nashville probably remixing a record or something so I had to stay behind and as a result of me being home alone that day I was cleaning and working on a firearm I'd recently purchased and assembled and so went to bed. That night locked everything up and you know because they weren't home up. PUT The gun on the floor on padded case next to the bed so I'm living warning. It's like seven fifteen a m a sun shining neighbors going to work. I hear the back door opened again and I was like this. Can't you know what the Fox the maid who would be here that early and I guess out of paranoia or whatever ever reason I grabbed that gun and just went to the top of the stairs to look I still think is the made and when I hit the top of series and look down staircase same guy same closed closed standing in my living room role in the court of on my headphones and I'll say all right almost impressed one that he came back. It was just like couldn't believe it was happening at the time so I started down the stairs on him very quietly. I got about halfway down by the time you turn in and saw me and I was looking through at his fucking head through a red dot like a video game. I'll never forget that image. This guy like probably thinking he's about to die and the back door was thankfully still open. The only thing I said to him was what are we doing here man and I hit him with a strobe which kind of like probably to his brain was he thought was the gun going off because he kinda like seizure and then assault journal and Spike and he turned went out the back-door and jump clean off my fuck imports never hit a single step and ran the back gate he had latched it and I saw this video later. When he came in he shut the back gate back so he hit that bag eight on dead rant on a dead run and just like blue at the hill latches and woods Flin flon took off down the alley. I'm still standing. Amo Portugal the fucking you know yeah looking like Jackass in Malaysia neighbors literally walking around the house going to work and Shit. I'm just like okay. Hey that happened and then so then next thing. There's like eight police officers in my living room. All they wanted to see was my gun and every single one of them asked me why didn't shoot the guy and which I found very interesting as a woman and I thought about it finally you one when I'm down going going down the stairs. You would not believe how much shit can go through your head like four seconds like I had this whole conversation with myself as to lake wife and kids aren't here you know this guy doesn't even know I'm here yet. I'm holding a fucking assault rifle and he's not a threat to me but if I put one through his dome which I've every legal right to do right now. There's going to be news vans on my lawn. This is going to be on your fucking wikipedia. You pay all of them. Just like this guy is not a threat yeah and thankfully. He chose to go out the door. Although it was just so weird they're all wide and you shoot him. I was like well I said that and they just kind of looked at me and I was like by the you know literally by the time we engagement in two seconds later. He's running running out doors. Well what am I shooting in the back and then you put me in prison and they were like fuck man twice an elite. You've been finally figured something out figured something out and who wants to take that chance. Oh yeah yeah well life in prison or not. Roll the dice. I mean if you turn around at me. We'd probably be having a different conversation station but he didn't reach for gun anything yeah. She didn't yeah was he a junkie. No no he's like twenty five honestly like saw his whole fucking doc in life on his face. You know what I mean. It just probably hard times just a mess punk kid probably like I was. I didn't do any shit like that. When I was his age no his toxicology came back clean he had like one prior for possession it was hard times desperate and so I I got subpoenaed because I was the only one that actually met him and when I go to the court case and you know it does very interesting and telling experience for him because I'd never really been anything like that and he was one of maybe eight or nine other people will on the docket that day all sign the same public defender who literally shows up fifteen minutes before they start the day to familiarize themselves with every single case. You just saw this factory like these young underprivileged black meals just getting pumped into the system the DA came over she was just like thanks for being here Yada Yada and A. and unluckily for him he broke in thirteen other houses and they had him on tape and a lot of things we had thirteen or fourteen aggravated burglary charges which is pretty fucking heavy. It's every one of those class vs so he was looking at twelve fifteen. I think he sang like a bird pleaded down got six and then if he does a successful rehabilitation program in prison he could be out in two and it's usually Yada Yada and I just realized like wow they're just I just throw in this kid's life away because he you know granny came innocent people's houses and you probably almost got fucking killed and they call him the next next night like three streets over in the act doing the same thing but he had no prior is he wasn't on drugs. It was just like no direction probably no discipline no guidance no heroes. I struggled with that. I was like man. There's gotta be like what if I gave him a job. It depends entirely on who he is right which I never got the chance to sit down and find that von that out. I never got to talk to him face. It might turn out punk fucking kid. I'd be like good luck man. You know it might turn out awesome in my turn on terrible depending upon the person but there's so many people in this country that are set up to fail their circumstances do life their environment the way what they're surrounded by all all day long they're set up to fail and I've always said that if we really care I mean if someone we have this plan that we always sort of impart. We put X. amount of money toward this. Why amount of money towards that but if we wanted to make this country we want to really make it stronger you? You would want less losers so you get less losers. You prevent them from ever becoming losers by you. Help them when their kids during the develop developmental period you I mean spend more money on education spend more money on cleaning up impoverished neighborhoods and crime ridden neighborhoods. They it's not impossible. It's not like fucking breathing on the son like it can be done like neighborhoods can get better. They get better but the idea that there's so little time and effort put into fixing those parts of the of our own country I mean we we have the most resources we have. This fucking spectacular country filled with amazing people and some of them. Just don't get a chance because they're stuck in a Rut from the moment they come out of their mother's body. They're stuck in this Rut. You've been assigned your lot. You got fucked. You got a bad roll the dice and that's a lot the country's man down the few countries where anybody can just put the fucking boots down and make something happen. One of the few you know Japan you pretty much know second or third grade. What you're what's GonNa be by your test scores already. You know if you're going to be working class of you. WanNa University this country we applaud when he started out poor. We love it like people who start out poor and then become successful. That's like our favorite shit like what do we. What does this country. Did you like more than a success story. You know like he started out eating bread and holly. How hot is money to barely get to school and barely get home but keep showing up every day everyone here that story. That's the fucking story rocky heart Bro. How many shows you guys doing We're doing six of these. Just as a conversation starter within the real tour will be our should probably announce that they told me while we're here we're GONNA do a US full us to restart mid or late February and with myself and a young man named Tyler opening. I love that Dude Yeah we do too big fan of that at the so that's happening next year and those will also tie into a fundraising ticketmaster in AG and everybody participate in that's going to listen to his purgatory purgatory album on the way over here. We're yeah miles and I both fucked around the room. When that got made great shit play drums on it's really good records? Writing in the control room pretended to do stuff. I can confirm that that's so when and you do a show like the troubadour. Is it like a knocked the Rostov. Let's fucking. We'll definitely we have played in over a year right and we're we're going back in like working up material. Israel we literally haven't played since we recorded two and a half years ago and just to get. We don't really rehearse. We just sort of knock the rust off it takes us about three or four shows. I feel like we even know what the fuck is happening. So you guys don't get together before Chuck Him Bob. Lynn Detroit miles an hour in Tennessee. We seen these guys since October. We get a lot done at soundcheck soundcheck basically but you're all still active as musicians even when you're not together tour and I don't know what they do and I I am. I'm a freelancer in in Detroit so when you say a freelancer like what does that involve like like what he was saying if someone needs yeah. I've been in the area for twenty five years so I play with a Lotta bands a lot of friends. WHO's a big group of people Detroit's a great city for musicians so you can stay busy. You know if you know the right people and you're not a Dick so oh dude I mean I have zero musical talent or never never pursued anyway so I love music. It's one of my favorite things to hear stories about people because I just love like the idea of you going down and you know hey we need a bad ass bass player and they send over this place fucking gun for hire like to me as a kid growing up in Newton Massachusetts used to always listen to music. I never thought about doing it so when I see people that do you. It's like wow that guy is making a live and making music. It's one of the to me one of the coolest forms of art because everybody it gets inspired by almost everybody loves it and almost nobody knows how to do it. You can always tell the people who do it better than others to ask ask. There's levels to it man. Yeah I mean there's there's Suzanne Santo and I were talking about Gary Clark Junior last night like this guy. He's got some weird thing going on with his. It's fucking guitar like it's Gary Clark Junior. You know what I mean like a sound. He puts out he has a certain sound. That's like you could hear it like a here. A new you sound a Oh. That's Gary Clark Junior Song by his guitar sound yeah. There's like something to the way he's got like this. He he did a cover of midnight rider with Suzanne and honey honey at this little hole in the wall place in downtown. La It was like maybe maybe one hundred people all the room tiny little crowd like midnight on Tuesday night and maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe there's three hundred people but it was fucking small. Shit and he did his Gary Gary Clark Junior version of midnight rider fuck. It was amazing. It was amazing. It's like there's. There's a guy like him. He could pick up any guitar yeah plug in any avenues. It's still going to sound like him. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean. I don't know that but I believe it. I don't know Shit about L. Playing Guitar but I believe it makes sense to me. It was still a thing I think it's awesome that a guitar driven act is headlining huge rooms uh-huh to theaters and they played they played the Hollywood boom. Yeah that's amazing. You know he's undeniable. You just gotTa get the fuck out of the way you know. He's undeniable yeah. I mean that kind of music. I've never met anyone. We played a festival once he was that this saw him walking across the grass backstage and I was like that's cool Fokker there. He's the nicest guy love him. He's so nice. He's a really really cool guy. Does any of your family play music or deal while my oldest daughter does us yeah but no one in my like my mom's side or my downside like no one in that part of the family played music but everybody loves it. I think it's it's there's some kind of music in everybody you can you can repeat rhythms back for sure that counts conjunction junction what's function function. You're a musician everybody. Everybody has music in their life. I mean everybody people don't like the only person I know doesn't like music he he might change his stance on his Doug Stanhope fucking eight music eight songs but I don't know if that's true if he's working on a bit I mean it's hard to tell but he's the only guy I know. It's even a spouse those ideas that he doesn't like music. Do you ever do that. You ever conversations with people and they don't know you're actually working on material no because if I'm saying it I probably really do mean it right you know or I'm just trying to be funny and then it turns out like oh I could say this on stage but it's never like Hammond workout my I hop joke on sturgeon. Today sturge humbly well waffle houses. That was a better choice. waffle house is synonymous fucking knife fights and brawls schedule. Simpson twenty-four food. Actually I used to work at my loyalties. Go Go back. I'll sing for waffle house up. No one's totally relaxed at a waffle house at two in the morning. Fuck no no Oh. You got to be like this sober off. Some of the most interesting people met my life. We're in the wee hours of the night and a waffle house. Oh for sure yeah for sure but you gotta take a risk taking for that delicious ass food delicious Ashok. I mean do you take those big slab of butter and ladder the shit out of that waffle. Just don't even worry about your cholesterol counts poor that fucking syrup zero upon it gives a fuck about cowards tonight we live and you cut up ham steak and eggs with that fucking waffle with thick like a half half an inch of butter and we do shortstops sometimes two three more than him and some of the other younger do go in hard and brave merely what the Chili that was did that Dalton Dalton Ed shut up the dull rose Dalton born before after roadhouse. It's really after but he'd never seen the movie we roadhouse or double. Douche finally ahead to see man this year. It was fucking wack road. That was like you know nothing. How can you say it's just got the wrong content. You dare talk about yeah. That's an all time classic terrible movie but in the best way like you get super excited namely homoerotic ah looking back now. I mean the whole fight scene with him and the guy. I used to guys like you in prison with what was going on yeah. I think that's just bad writing that. A tough got TA swayze so handsome. Everything with him was homoerotic right because he's beautiful beautiful guy man he was. He was literally a ballet. La Dance Yeah he moved like one yeah when he's like the karate expert and shit like you said just a right amount of muscular brother that to oh man. This is one of the worst fighting so Cao bad. This is like in terms of movement to the speed of his techniques. The impact of these strikes plug. This Sam Elliott shows actually right yeah boom boom boom. Oh the double headbutt move. Oh the bottle over the head there. He is oh my goodness. Sam Elliott is we've actually seen a guy take a bottle to the head so I can is to test for a fact that you can still fight after taking giant full unopened bottle of grey goose to the head fuck but only in a Mexican disco tech in mcallen Texas after Dwight Yoakam he had a big white cowboy hat on he looked like a body building yet to ladies at the table and he was floss horror and I think he turned around and like spit a little game at somebody else's woman malls. Oh yeah it'd be back up that fucking story as a first real tour we ever did we finally got a booking agent and and we went out and we did two weeks opening for Dwight Yoakam which was fucking awesome like felt like an actual huge break went from playing dive Bar Shit Holes to twelve twelve drunks two legs standing in front of four five thousand people so Texans Texans with that now down for Texas P. AJ Laura which is right on the border and we went down did the GIG and it was fucking amazing because it was in this giant auditorium and they had these long long tables you would have and like school cafeteria but they were just they were rows of them as far back as I could see and when they had it looked like it might as well been nineteen nineteen fifty-five man and we were playing the Hayride or some shakes white cowboy hats just an ocean white cowboy hats whites and Hispanics and everybody was like seated in Sorta like turned sideways and joined the show's very civil and then after the show the promoters these guys will you guys want to go to a club club. I was like not really but you know the younger guys might had there was basically babysitting you assholes for kids in our so so they round us up and take us to this fucking disco tag and we're the only gringos in this place man and it was like there was some serious cheese mobile thrown around as a little a little threatening and the guy starts telling the get on the mic with the DJ and they're telling everybody that we're Dwight Yoakam ban. I realized Oh shit. We're a promotion John Tool. You know what I mean to make his club with cool. We don't play for Dwight Yoakam. They said it like fifty fucking times and finally we're just kind of sitting in the corner not speaking king in mind our own business so we don't die and miles an hour sitting at a table and some chairs and all of a sudden it's liquid and broken glass just raining down on us from behind and kind of turned around to see this. Guy Sort of stumble and do still standing there holding the bottle neck and it was like he yeah these big unopened bottles of grey goose like big ask Greg who's bottles on ice and the dude just came up to the table Hainan connect one and took it to the Dome Ooh and the the Guy Kinda you Kinda stutter-stepped. He turned around. He took his cowboy hat off and you went out and beat the fuck out of both of them and I think this is where we leave. Everybody left yeah. It just cleared the whole place out though couldn't believe I thought would kill somebody. It depends on where you hit them and how you hit them hard you hit them. You could definitely kill somebody with the ball. Though right I mean it certainly happened. I I was reading some horrible story but a thirteen year old kid who got sucker punched and wound up dying yeah I mean you could kill somebody accidentally. Even if you didn't mean to you hit somebody they fall the hit their head they dye that happens all the time. I'm like the Dad at the hockey game. That was horrible man and watch that happen over nothing over hockey not over kids hockey people get real weird. Bob's be an awfully quiet. He's fucking. Bob was so high last night. You could say anything probably just hitting that joint so hard. I didn't have anywhere to put put it down. You know his plan so now you're gonNA come over and take it. The Path was clear as I thought it might be. Yeah I noticed that right when we introduced and it was like where do I walk to get to the was it. What was the instrument that was facing the crowd like to your left up there. Keyboard is a Hammond B three and then on top of that was a clever net and what was one that was face was facing you but the back of it was to the crowd. It was all exposed wiring shammy three yeah trip to look back into the gears. Bob's like a gearhead kind of reverse engineering genius. He only uses like primitive audio gear and I'm pretty sure I've known him for since two thousand eleven. I'm I'm convinced he only does it. He buys should he knows a little break so you can fix it. That's it right there. There's a picture from my instagram yeah. It looks good. I mean it's supposed to have a would back but it looks school. Let's cool as fuck near man but it's very revealing go. There's a lot going on there. You can surf them too. I've seen him do it. On top of it. You mean Saturday night. Live stuff looked over and Bob Book. Implanting Wolf on is organised all right here in absolute joy at the same time when I saw that symbol fall off and I looked up like what was going on and bobby was standing on his Oregon. Not why not hey man. WHOA fucking do whatever you want. Keep doing what you do whatever the fuck you want. If you guys can keep doing what you did last night. I love it a man. It's only going up from there. Really you know the first one so we were. We were very critical unhappy but it was fun as fuck man. It was fun as fuck here. We go then that's what he did on. SNL It is boom. We send we played that record last night. damn some good shit going to say so how's law of adrenaline man. We'd all literally everybody the horns. was everybody everybody in the band. You know you're you're as a kid. You dream about that Shit right there from the time. You even think about play music. You know what I mean yeah be Rockin. SNL also before the second song area. We were backstage and told everybody like you know. This is most likely the only time we may ever get the fuck and do this. Don't leave anything out to a you know somebody wrote a great article about it saying that a musical artist names Turtle Simpson not in a song about the illegal heroin when trade on SNL yeah that happens it wasn't like I didn't think about it that way. We just knew it should be fun to play. It is kind of a I mean that's yeah I mean that's what it's about. Do you remember you ever see that video of Geraldo Rivera. You go walking through the poppy fields where the military was guarding the poppy fields no yeah the military was guarding the poppy fields because in order to to get information from the people that live there you had to get them on your side so the way to get on the side was to protect their heroin production so got the United States military walking through these poppy fields where Geraldo Rivera interviewing them and explain suspects. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen in. Your Life like this is a movie This is not real visit moving Geraldo Rivera's interviewing soldiers and the soldiers United States soldiers fucking machine guns down or guarding copy feels like what wait a minute there guarding heroin where Afghanistan. It's fucking trip if we play it. We have an issue right if we play it. How does that work get kicked off too easy to find really I mean I'm just looking. It's hard to find now. We've played it on the podcast many times. They might be trying to wash it from the Internet. Wow they know trip. It's Geraldo Rivera interview in this guy sold old clip. Is it here so Harare. We'll play the volume because otherwise we'll get kicked off a youtube but when we're watching this Geraldo Rivera is interviewing these soldiers who are talking about how they have to guard these poppy fields they guard these poppy fields so that they can get information on the Taliban and that these these guys who were the farmers would be on their side. You have to see if to see the whole thing. It's a long video that plays out was one of the Taliban they burn it down or did they just control the money from good question. I know are you protecting the heroine. These farmers like means of income. That's good yeah. I think it's the farmers means needs Vincent important question. Everything's about money about money. was that the Taliban anti-heroin. Do We know Oh that heroin is ramped up. Since since this time period heroin use will be from that time period of that video yeah yeah it just keeps ramping up upright yeah ramp-up Vietnam `priority yeah. What a coincidence crazy. There's no way that the United States government back in the sixties he's when no one was accountable whatever be involved in heroin trade. I've met at least two older gentlemen my life randomly in bars who claim the flyer plans thanks for the CIA in Vietnam. I just assumed they were both full completely full of Shit who knows did you ever see that c-h-a-d CIA drug plane that crashed in Mexico with like a ton of cocaine on it they ran out of gas and they would let them land in Mexico to refuel because they knew what they were doing. Yes guys like you know the way too much weight and they crashed and it's the craziest easiest. Fuckin- series of images look at this plane all fucked up strewn across the field but all the hair or the cocaine is intact. It's all stuffed in this airplane. Wow this is what that's what they recovered offer this but there's there's pictures of the wreckage. You can see the wreckage in the background there yeah so in the wreckage like as he's planes crashed. Just plum full of cocaine were tons of cocaine. Nah eight thousand pounds man. Do that's so heavy four hundred times not yet. No one is just not accurate but that can't be right four hundred street and a plot bad. Did you ever see that that Tom Cruise movie about Barry Seal. Yes it's all about that. It's all about a few cowboys rogues agents. I decided to try to play in that movie for like five minutes and he steals the whole fucking thing who who is as he plays his his wife's younger brother. Oh yeah the like looking looking to the degenerate Dixit he was awesome. He's a great. He's a funny dude. That's a lot like the bluegrass conspiracy you know about that with bluegrass there was basically it was a Lexington Kentucky police officer. Oh man hours ago owners office yeah and it was it was deep in Kentucky Politics for years and years and years and he he was he was flying a plane little prop plane with we'd like money millions of dollars and cocaine crashed in Knoxville Knoxville Tennessee and they've found everything they didn't know it was a police officer until he died and he was like he he jumped out of the plane with parachute with the COQ strapped to him the way the fuck the shooter loafers on the ground with his shoot half open and just like yeah coke yeah and a bear also ate it all the cocaine big strawberry shortcake just laser no worse form field. There's pictures of all not all that. How much does it take eight to kill a bear. It says how much he ate. I don't know top of my head thing. I think they have it stuffed in Lexington. It's a really good book. You should read that book conspiracy the true story but it small state level corruption at the utmost upmost level Escobedo Story. The legendary cocaine Kentucky mounted them. Wow that's let's go inside his next. It's cocaine bear. I can kentucky the chain. He's a rapper hat. Sideways is GonNa fucking. Sign rise next has cocaine bear. It's all gold bluegrass. I gotta read it. I definitely had heard about the bear eating the coke. The Barry Seal's one is a terrible one because the reason they found out about us because these two kids found the coke drop. They've found the coke and they wound up murdering these two kids when they went to retrieve the coke and they put their bodies on the railroad tracks and they told the parents of the kids got high and fell asleep on the where the railroad tracks but the parents did an independent autopsy and they found stab loons and the kids you know it's really fucked also give that away. I've seen that when like transients bums come in on you know it's always a part of our we would have to finally young kids and Shit playing hop car you know blue during the gutter rat lifestyle thousand dollar fucking north face partisanship the them and you're GonNa die right but like bombs would come in on the trains and this didn't happen hours North Yard Guy. He thought they were done with the movement movement you took fifty seven hundred foot steel with fucking forty five thousand horsepower on the front of it like when it starts moving it's very sudden and hard so so you just go to stand up all that thing all of a sudden when it starts. Rowland and then you you lose your footing and you fall down the tracks when cars but when you get run over by a train it's not bloody and messy because the especially if it's been on the mainland its role and really hard and hot you put a limb on track or body or corpse all that weight wheat friction and heat when it goes over it just cuts like butter and Carter. Is Everything like Piss you off like sausage so we find pieces not a mess. S. Just pieces. Oh my God unless you hit a fucking coward or something standing military going seventy miles an hour and then you just just asshole guts hanging off the front of the train. Does that even slow the train down no not at all a cow. Doesn't it's less than a bug on your windshield yeah. Could you imagine being in the fucking seat the driver of done it have you. You've actually locomotives. I've never hit a cow would definitely driven a train. What what was the biggest thing you hit. I don't really hit anything nothing. No I mean imagine though being we were switching operate within the yard so I probably like thirty five forty miles an hour tops but on the mainland they're really rolling. They're doing like seventy seventy two miles an hour like I said it's you know a mile and a half long train with five four five locomotives on the front of it all thirty thousand horsepower each so I mean you did the baggage. Bagga- fucking blood man. You're not even but it just like do they have special fronts that are designed hit things like that. A big giant steel plow is designed to push tim and feet of snow are asked to well yeah so like essentially like those things that semis used for deer on the the middle of the night those but it's actually a steel shovel with like an axe wedge and low and it just kind of hangs it sits about six inches off the rail itself self and it's whole idea is to splatter everywhere anything out of the way and destroy trained from derailing because the only thing holding those things on the real the inner flange of a wheel set. You know it's there's like a little three quarter inch lip that kind of hangs over on the inside the rails so it's all gravity and downforce keeping that thing going so you could put like a brick technically you could take anything a piece of fucking metal metal or a car Jack and just lay it on that thing when that train hits seventy miles an hour is coming off the rail and everything behind it is still going seventy miles an hour stacking up behind it and you don't think about every time you pull up to a crossing in the city and you see a train go by ten miles now under twenty the tankers on their full raw chlorine. You could really fuck some shit up if you knew what you were. Doing you know. Kill a whole city you. You do real that train. We had those we'd have to think about that and like Homeland Security would come out and we have to have courses and shit and you have so many miles of track Iraq. You make sure that nobody does anything crews that drive that track daily basis and repair things and do you freak freak me out fuck training. That's why I quit the job. If you watch enough of those things happen right in front of me and I was my job to clean them up and get crane out there at a fucking cotton my office I would live at the yard for three or four days until we got everything repaired and back together enrolling bill like two or three times where you'd be sitting out there in the middle of switching leads this happened where Abuna pickup truck at night or during the daytime with one of the guys I work with you know. Maybe it's the guy you're tired. You're trying to get done early and you got a bunch of empty cars on the back and the dude puts the throttle down before the air goes through the system always rear the train so you know you got this dead weight and he thinks all fucking. I got three locomotives. I can push. It'll be okay until will the when they designed the system. One hundred plus years ago nothing has changed since then. It's a very primitive functional air brake system design. You Hook all all these hoses up from the front of the back runs through which allows the brakes to release so then the engineer can control those breaks with air doesn't go all the way to the back. The brakes are still on those cars so when all this horse power pushing rolling metal hits metal that what does not want to roll it just just buckles up in a teepee almost instantaneously goes off and you won't even feel it. If you're thirty cars up you're pushing shit into the dirt and it's it's all just pile on top of it. If it self in like two seconds I watched triangle from being on the track to literally digging out a ten foot trough of earth and just displacing it and I think like every day me or one of my guys standing right there. I was like I'm going to go. Write songs some good thinking yeah yeah very good thinking good job but it official somewhere. Someone is on a fucking train listening to this freaking out just about to go to sleep. I'll just listen to Churchill Simpson. Joe's Joe's garage song further are trying to do some bullet train. Is that one of the Ilan muscles thaddeus wants to do. A train goes all across the country and thirty minutes or so from here to Vegas I and then maybe up to Sacramento yeah. I think people would use use it. Americans would use a mass transit train simply they don't use the woman have really much wellness sucks down here. We don't because it's slow it sucks we ride item in Europe because it's awesome and you come you don't ever want to get on a fucking train from DC to New York. The worst day of your life really yeah man. I did it once again. I did a whole tour on the east coast by myself by train an awful experience why so bad self-importance lack of compassion or understanding of considerations of other space on the part of Americans don't function well and cramped spaces. Okay that's very specific and then when I I was in DC I can say is that was stations the big one in DC Union Union now. That's just guessing. That's a good name station a okay yeah yeah you train. The train got delayed. They announced this delay because the weather there was like a downed power line as fucking winter storms nothing you do and I we travel all all the time and as as you so if you travel all the time you don't get the same anxieties about travel that most people don't travel all the time get you. I would rather ride a bus for twenty twenty hours. Then go get on our flight airport because that anxiety is just fucking palpable and sees usually usually we kind of like you go to this com weird place. We're out in the bubble on a long tour. Everybody's sort of like not not talking at the airport reporter whatever it is interesting your little happy zone and I'm at this fucking terminal in DC in the analysis cancellations place just erupts and it's like thirty people that are over screaming at the Amtrak employees is therefore assault pregnant lady get pushed down in front of me like when they finally opened the doors and people were like trying to get up on the train straight up just knocked this pregnant lady down no yeah. I was just like wow you go to Europe or Japan by rods trams pan. That'd be like more people than you've ever imagined in your train car and nobody's touching one another like sardines yet. No one is touching either so considerate for the space and privacy and existence of everyone around them that you feel somewhat less crowded now. Isn't it interesting culturally that they have that whereas China has very very different China they just to and then every country has their own way of interacting. It's so interesting Japanese when when I've only been to Tokyo once but I was like you told me if I didn't know about Tokyo at all and someone said Hey I'm GonNa take to another planet where human beings things live and there's so much like you but their city is very orderly and they have like beautiful neon signs and great architecture and they're all like there's millions means one island but they're super consider this weird parallel universe. That's what it felt like. It's like if you didn't know about the Japanese culture and then you went over there. You'd be like what is happening here. Why is this a real place. Like what is going on. Here is about the most foreign or alien experience as a as a especially as American league buzzed. GonNa Taylor anybody to go anywhere to fill like Amman fuck. That would be the one yeah. That's what you told me earlier. It's kind of the place to that. You can go drinking at night and in bars and there's people passed out drunk right there on the floor on the street on the street with their cell phone wallet. Nobody's Jennifer Yeah Yeah. Where does that happen. It's it's a such a unique country and you think about the history and their contributions to the martial arts in particular just I mean the warrior ethic of the Samurai like that Book Miyamoto Musashi Book Five Rings. That's a great book for Your Life just to just to think about excellence in you life in pursuit in your life and health all things bounce tout all other aspects of your life his idea of being a Great Samurai. You had also be great calligraphy. It'll be a great artist yet to be able to write poetry yet to be a balanced Allen's team and being in order to fight correctly fucking guy was like sixteen O in one on one sword fights and became a pacifist pacifist and that book of Five Rings Fuck Man. It's an amazing book Musashi quote at the end of the film. That's him that's him. Oh Mom yeah just that whole the the the culture look look what their contributions to martial arts like what they've been able to do with design like this is a interesting place even their automobiles. You know I mean they. They make like bulletproof cars that lasts forever like they were the first people to figure it out. Just make cars it. Don't break go really fast yeah There is a fascinating culture. So what what connection did they have to. The anime thing do like who is making all that animation for you well we. I had the idea for the record. I and we played foods. Iraq twenty seventeen. I have a very good friend a Japanese friend who grew up in Kentucky on exchange program with with my wife and he later moved back to Tokyo for college came radio. Dj Jay Sean since coach and he did the radio thing and then he got into voice narration for Marvel over there. He's just a good dude and we're talking. I went over for a couple of weeks before we played Fuji Rock to hang out with him and my buddies get some time on the ground and record was recorded the month before I was like manny be really cool to do some animated videos for this album if it's like one or two and we were we were sitting on his place watching a lot of old animation and anime may films and the textures and the color and everything's just stuff. You don't really see anymore and I was just thinking about like some of my favorite cartoons are tunes from that especially the older stuff seventies and eighties that came from that world so he we decided to start taking meetings with producers just to get an idea like what would this cost just how long how long will it take even possible would they do it and kind of trial and error for while we finally had a meeting with a guy named Hiroki who who was very understated in the meeting sold himself short you know I was just like a mid fifties tracksuit but we come to find out a week later. He's the fucking Talkin man and like all his buddies or the man to and those guys are also used to working under restrictions but if they take a project on its from a big studio the stories already dictated the parameters are dictated like basically they have to stay within someone else's lane with their vision and so one of the first he asked me this what what kind of animation I was interested in so I named off some of the references of the things that I loved and was looking to Sorta get in terms of aesthetic and texture and he just went straight to the guys that made those things drinking buddies all of them and June pay Musa's ocoee specially. I was the one director who I think shun translated all lyrics for them because I wanted to know one what the record was about and so they could gauge interest and he just SORTA SORTA said at dinner when I was talking about the same things that I deal with as artist he's like I feel like this is. This could be me talking. We deal with the same things in terms of dealing with business and commerce versus are so he just sorta reacted passionately to the music and he said I want to do the whole record. He's kind of a dream the project for me and I said Okay and then rose like well. How are we gonNA do the whole record in a year because we've already even sitting on this thing for a year and a half now he they assembled for other directors who running teams or project teams at the same time simultaneously breaking breaking songs up into chapters so even though there there's some more of a Leonard a linear narrative type out of chronological order in the two little side vignettes switcher sorta same universe different world just to give a different perspective on some of the songs because some directors doing one song other teams had to and he was overseeing the entire theme of had them all working simultaneously on it so we could finish on time so I went over six times in the last year and I realized about the second second trip my the those visits were very beneficial because those guys don't do half ass you know what I mean and they definitely pride themselves on the work and they all wanted me to be impressed service him. I would come back they. They knew I was coming. I could tell it was really motivating them to go outside. The box and everybody wanted to be the guy that blew my mind. The most you know what I mean and they did every time. There's just like some of that stuff. I know how they did. It and I don't know how did it where Erkin NBC the whole thing. Netflix oh it's all in on Netflix you put some of it on Youtube well onto the label single because they got the spotify and all let shit so they gotta which also frustrating because we make cohesive concept records that are meant to be consumed as a whole right and then like if I'm not going to radio. Why do I need a single. Will you know what I mean. Let's put the fucking record out. Skip the lead of the whole traditional setup because we're not we don't fit that model right just by making records were antiquated you know but they've put a single out so they put one section of the movie up on. Youtube which I think will take down now that the whole films out but yeah for people that they'd be like what is going on here yeah yeah we basically made a you know heavy metal or the the wall but with Javanese animators love I wouldn't compared to the wall but same idea just visual visual age. It's beautiful to the the animation that they did for. It's really it's incredible. Did you was it weird seeing like their vision connected not to your music. No I wrote the initial story the the main byline screenplay and then told Jim pay we were trying to do an almost of specifically specifically oh Jimbo and then a couple other famous Samurai films like the catchy Catanha's as a twitchy and a lot of career saw things like very recurring storylines salons and we were watching films in the studio making a record on silent in the control room just kind of keep our mood right like keep everything kind of dark and ominous and no second guessing so but yeah it's kind of like a futuristic dystopia new Jimbo which which is also also fistful of dollars where you got one town of people being oppressed by a couple rival factions or gang leaders and sort of using them for their own building so in the future now we just Japan. I talked about it will sex drugs and weapons and war are really the main drivers of the economy so let's just say that those are the only economy you know the only things that have value anymore at that point and you got weird so I gave him a rough script and then they just I said but you know I want you guys to do what you do so feel free to add or take things as in any direction you want it anytime so then you get thirty women with their tits out dancing and which which was that was June pays idea. I told him there was a very old famous. Samurai phone calls the twitchy and at the end of it once this blind swordsman conquers this evil force and the townspeople celebrate and there's this it's very famous scene in the end of it with its traditional dance and they're doing this dance and I said you didn't can we sneak descent a dance sequence slash amish and anybody that has to be like a film buff. Geek like me would get it anywhere else just fucking cool so they decided to take the gaps and the sex trafficked slave so to speak and then just make a big big chorus line but then they had a woman a traditional Japanese dance or come in and they put her on motion capture green screen and she did the actual dance from the film and the animated everyone to you that I was like. That's pretty sweet. I wouldn't have thought of that. You did what I wanted. He just gave me what he wanted to do with it now. About how long does the whole thing same lakes as the audio is the album. It's forty two minutes to fucking brilliant idea man truly cool. I just love the idea that you're experimenting with something like that just trying it out but it had to be a long stretch it Lagos. The hardest part was sitting on it. So long hyperfocused mixed the record thing three times and mastered at twice and then we had to do surround sound mix for the movies. I'm pretty fucking burnt out on. I'll be honest ready to plate live but I don't ever want to hear that shit again. Does that contribute to you the way you get creative with the sound when performing live if you change out absolutely do you think you're going to do this in the future again like this kind of animation to this or is this a one off. Oh no there's already talk of doing. I wouldn't do the music again I would certainly I might if they want to run with the story. I'd be we all about it either prequel or sequel action but I wouldn't want to me this sonic signature. I would probably use traditional Japanese musicians regions and then contemporary production methods and actually have dialogue and sound effects and make a story. You can get into the cartoon business. I got three kids. That'd be fucking awesome and it looks awesome. I gotTa Watch the whole thing. I gotTA check it out. It's fucking can weird. It's super trippy light a bit right like that big. Mike Tyson Blunt when you get home tonight at midnight and your kids are asleep and watch that Shit and then think about what a weird motherfucker I am all right now when you when you think about like doing another storyline like following you haven't thought about it'd be pretty easy either. Michigan rods off with the two robots and there's like an am monster on lift dealt with or you could go back in time to the origins of the two slickened. Slim's feud with her dad while they show up to the DOJ and kill everybody. I don't know there's all kinds of says right making shit pretty straightforward yeah now when when you when you go back to writing new music do you are you constantly working on new music like when no when when you decide like when when you have a an album release police like when will you decide to try because you've been pretty consistently every how many years with three hardtop. Meta modern came out like nine months apart from each other. Sailor's guide was twenty sixteen now who are twenty nine hundred and so we recorded their record twenty seventeen now. It's like there is a tread water drown mentality now. Everybody thinks you have to be in front of people all the fucking time or you gotta be like blowing air into your brain balloon on twitter schoener bile funding enlighten you are to be a musician but like I think that sounds the best thing he just just go fuck away and process and recharge and like look for holes that aren't being filled and exercise other interesting download this like I said these guys. I don't WanNa play music with anybody else own. The only reason I would need another band is like if I made a bluegrass record you know so you just get the hang down and the people want to be around and love and have a good time with but like we I said we can make ten records. It's all going to sound like ten different bands because are all these guys have been extremely broad and diverse influences and ability so I just don't you know why I don't want to be in a box. I don't want anybody to put a lid on it for me and we we love all kinds of music so it's not really saying we're going to make this this kind of record. We just went in and made fucking noise and this is what happened with those tools. It's it's interesting to see this your conscious decision to sort of just just check out and recharge. You got a certain point. You just realize you're not in charge and I'm a very controlling personality. Feel like I'm in control at least a myself with music. I've learned like you can put ideas out there but they decide what they want to be. You know I knew I didn't WANNA put a Winky fucking noodling guitar solo when every every single song two or three of those on record you pretty good to go especially now on guitars kind of dead zone amazing keyboard player and we had this bad ass old mobile model all the synthesizer does the Dr Dre Shit and we did it on one song and we just kept going cracking out and like putting like a higher and lower or active and then run it through a amps and blowing it out and getting a really dirty like a big crack doubt laser being I'll just like that's the fucking sound man we gotta put that on everything cohesively tie the album on together so most of the Solos are bob making this fucking sweet ass like sent over some black. Sabbath and I never heard that record growing up you know so we made their record wow so when when you're torn with this music now and you're fucking with it and your switched things up like when you decide that it's time to write some new Shit we just tour and then stopped touring and I'm always writing poetry. do you want anymore. I used to sit down with guitar and like on my right this song you get like a a part in words and you find metering phrase. I've discovered. I'm really just a poet it. It's easier to write the words out and craft the meter and phrase to those words musically in the studio. I would say both all the other three records and probably wrote half of them while you go into the record you think you have the songs and you realize that the songs are not supposed to be part of this record. I would go home at night and write songs that fit at that record would come in with parts like sailors. GotTa had a lot of parts of music piece together in the studio. These guys probably all thought it was fucking insane for a scared to death because he he's only hear the song is like I got some notes you know but really the music happens you lock yourself in that room with the right people for Matter Saturdays and you just keep going until it's done and you have ideas in the moment but now I don't even pick a guitar up to write. I just write what I want to say what I'm feeling and then these guys you know push encourage and motivate me to try to do the other things well as I'm able. Are you writing in Longhand. You're riding on a better now right always right. It always ride around with your hand again. I have no pads and I'll go through and scribble out sections or pick. This can fit with this. This record was very deconstructed. I guess we did some loops move like record riffs and a certain key then record that same riffing Mukisa the key so I could take it and chop it to a loop and make it super precise like a hip hop album and there's some stuff was just live as fuck. You know and you just have fun. We allow fun the improvisation part of it sounds terrifying awesome. That's but also what you want. Sometimes you get something if it's a melodic hook or something the first take it's usually the one you keep you know you go back and try to make it perfect. It sounds is cool. We we knew that having done this before so with these sessions we win. That was the only rule there was no second guessing decision hence the Samurai films on the wall because like in a sword fight. You got one fucking move. You know what I mean. That was like that was the. Mo for these sessions like the first thing is the right thing. It's the thing so when you're doing Nanu recording things do you do you pause and go listen to it and play it again howdy. How do you guys do it. Sunk depends it depends if it sounds like bobby said than you probably keep it and if you're like added didn't really work trust most of his Solos on the record related I second take i. I'm an chuck. I don't think I've ever fucking punched a single thing in life perfect. You just kills it. He's the man Bob got a bunch of videos somewhere computer like a record all the solos with joint as well like the intro thing. They're like we needed thing for this and I was like why needed I needed dooby. Ub and I smoked it and I just played. I have some of those videos to my point on every tub replayed he he had a joint in his mouth not just thinking about the music. It was like put anything to settle whereas it was pretty fun. I mean we're kind of just we were fucking wasted. You know just kind of like doing the Arsenio love who who who can you get too high and play music only still try always. What'd you say so. You said you WANNA get so high. You don't even know what's court here player. Noah's song replay that was the problem. Is We get so high when we record that and then we have to remember that live or relearn it and then if you get high live live. You can't remember what you played high when record that is an issue so then go back and listen to recordings and go what what what was the fuck. Are we doing doing I mean we had to. I had to go back after before rehearsals. This really weird thing. That's never happened. I went from mixing like processing looking at this film for for the past year to now. We have to learn these songs so you're you're actually paying attention to what you did. There play these cores. Wow Fuck. Did I do that. You know just so weird that we did it so relatively. Quick quicker than the other stuff that we did shit. You know we yeah. We had to learn it all over again because we didn't remember we're doing of it. It was just so creative and quick like that. They hadn't heard any of the songs since we recorded them until I sent him the record three weeks ago. Is it surreal going. Listen to all of it. After it's all piece together a little bit for me. It was yeah yeah. Let's like riding a bike. The really you know especially not playing in a year we know each other. You know just jump back on. I'm still catching things in the recordings is that I have don't play live out here a little bits and things still so while I got a question when you're when you're in the studio with them. Are you even producer mode because you've produced other artists or you kind of are they kind of producers with you and you guys are finding it together. Oh Man I couldn't. I couldn't tell these guys to do what they do. Why would I mean. I don't want to work with people I wanNA work with the guys that just do that amazes me but no I'm not at Lake. I have a rough structure in my head of what would it sounds like you know there. I guess I don't know maybe you should answer that question Russian. Yeah you have an idea of what you want but you you kinda. Give us the reins and tell them you know an opportunity to not fuck doc you see like a Wu Tang vibe or so and then you know Food Tang D- definitely I like the idea of the sound. I'm chasing and it's hard articulate but with this it was just I realized like maybe by the end of the second day we were doing doing something. I know I hadn't really heard before. Maybe it was here in like fifteen and my favorite records all the same time. I was just like okay. This is what this is going to be and it's probably going to destroy my career and that's okay this. I like it all out. Everyone brings such a different you know and I'm obsessed zest with old records and equipment and getting sounds like what's this sound. It's this piece of here in this. I'm just like I'm obsessed with it. You know it's like we can find those things and put them altogether in big to be completely honest with every other record of made even the ones that some of these guys have played on it was much more of like I came in. You're the songwriter and session musicians you know and then you go out and you're the commodity. You're the singing head. You're the star and I think maybe around twenty seventeen. There's a big part of me me that really rejected all that the newness of it and like the responsibility of it. I just wanted to play guitar band. You know as a kid and and maybe I wanted to feel like a part of something. That wasn't all about my fucking head right. I mean then I realized I was finally in the ban. I'd always wanted to be in since I was thirteen and my bedroom you know so. Why wouldn't they make those records right. It's funny because we imagine I mean think about the first one that we made together. Yeah Bobby. I've met actually met bobby before I met miles. Bobby played organ on my very first record. I'd never eh got called down about producer and we instantly. I was just like okay this guy's cool shit and then I think like we were hanging out really a week and we were going. We're both going pretty hard. The paint still back then like we bobby drinking and they come home and my wife up at four in the morning at all cream and that was like and I think it was one night in particular in Nashville. I was working at a fucking grocery. Story was sleeping in his car. You know we're both just like pretending we're not miserable bowl and enjoy each other's company. We got real shit face man and we were walking up to number and going to the only place that was still open to get some food at like three in the morning. All these meat market bars are letting out and we both like a couple of degenerate scumbags probably and we walked by and there's this group of like four or five obviously Vandy fucking football players like this huge dudes young men and pretty Ni rated in. We're walking by yeah. I hear one of them. Say Oh look as the strokes he's like. I love your records man you know and I blew it off. Whatever grown ass man let's kept walking and then I got about ten feet. I don't know why I could just tell bobby wasn't with me and I turned around looked back to see this motherfucker standing in the middle of the circle of all of them like literally eight inches from this guy's face with his hands on his hip wearing his little Jack and bobby's from Detroit man. He don't fucking play you know and I was like all right well. I guess in jail Bob Tonight in a Toronto kind of walked back over there about the time I get to the group do dhs one of them was eating street hot dog and I will never ever forget this as long as I live bobby like snatched the hotdog out of his hand and kind of like a paper Wad and bounced it off his forehead. Kebab definitely going to jail Bobby Knight you know so Bradley Cooper's and you yeah the Bradley Cooper's we call them Bradley Cooper's because there's like this swarm of like Dusit had pink shirts on guys Bradley Cooper's surrounded uh-huh and I don't know we just fascinating to watch them. All immediately knew that they were dealing with something that they've never experienced and they wanted fucking none of it. I was like I'm uh I think I this is. My new best friend would be friends was my life. This hotdog destroying man is not to be fussell's. David Roth organ playing motherfucker is we were just walking walking having a drink nobody there decks total then we went to ECHINACEA all of his ice cream about of the same container with disgusting and now we sleep on bus and have her own hotel rooms. The bus think's going to be a trip. It's like being on a ship yeah just like navy sleeping bunks and you wake up every day and wonder where where you are and but no shitting on the bus can't poop on the bus so thousand dollars you know you. You Won't other people on other people's. You don't poop on our bus right. So what do you do. Just tell the guy to pull over to stop. Yeah you find a nice pilot somewhere in Omaha and shit on the toilet the same thirty truckers have today. Oh good all glory beats being in a van though by far oh for sure right so you guys listen music playing music. What do you do when you're on the bus. Movies movies movies weird. You know watching chuck cereal very comics travel like that burke crashes. There's like one of the rare ones. He travelled by honestly man face on it. Shit I mean at the end of the day and at this I mean we are very grateful. I WanNa touch on that below the bus thing it's a quality of life issues you will know touring all quality life. There's no way to make it not suck other than the shows themselves right and everything else about twenty two hours a day. It's like just trying to see one some kind of circadian rhythm so you don't get all share Tonen Weird Shit that nightly adrenaline Brennan blasts is is the hardest thing on me I find after tour that I have to like figure out what's going on in my brain and not be you get home from that after Chrissakes Wiki. I can't get off the couch for a week weird strange fatigue. I've never experienced anything else but the bus we kind of I'd rather like I said rather bus for three days and go to an airport. You're in a cocoon. It's your home on the ground millionaire. It's a safe haven just showing yeah we hang out. We're all around each other more than we our families most of the time and we're in this little motorhome and if you get off it's just like fucking. Can Joseph Conrad me and don't get off the boat. If you step off the vote. That's weird. Shit happens right when you guys go. Oh wow how long do you go out for like if you do it till the first couple tours when those records were pretty brutal played about three hundred plus three or straight uh-huh year yeah you know. I'm I'm got a problem. Were like filter ahead to I felt I had to do that wife and in kids on the way and it was like this is it. It's gotTa make fucking happen and then you makes you happen and then other people were making you do that now. Because it's making so much money. They can't force you to not be out there doing doing it and you reach a point of like exhaustion burn out. You're not even aware of because you're still doing what you love every night right but all the other shit catches up and he caught up to me pretty pretty hard round the second kid and I just realized there's a smarter way to do this that will still provide for my family and all these guys which is like less as more and now I'll never tour like that again. There's there's no need one too. It's it's just not healthy. you're making a lot of people happy but it's not no. It's not in that's where a lot of guys get into substance abuse. Exactly James Hadfield just checked himself back in Marie half next those guys at their age got fucking more money than God and they're still out hitting harder than ever yeah you know after the live of well that actually might give me suit up yeah That's a tough call man yeah. It's a real tough call yeah. Those guys like a great things about comedies. You only have to go out for a weekend merely. Sometimes I'll travel somewhere for one night and come home. Well you know most of the Shit I do around. La That's like the practice stuff just to stay sharp but I have friends that do the long touring and they start to go crazy crazy. I get a little nutty man. I mean if you're single. You don't have children but even then even then. It gets even more dangerous if you were single. You'll have no kids at general easy just to stay out there forever. Yes lost in that cycle of like especially if you like coke well if you're partying Mardian drinking. You don't realize how tired you are right and then we do it Soviet. You're like Holy Shit. Yeah right yeah yeah. It's so it's the greatest job in the world to be a professional entertainer but there's definitely some pitfalls to it just like everything else. There's a balance and those those guys that run it too hard hard they they run that engine too hot. I think anybody that really cares about it is going to be accused of that at some I definitely push things too. You Harden. I sing really hard are learning like singing very hard and physical. It's like I don't know it's like you're tired from the outside it back out. It's a weird feeling comics always talk about it the same way that when they're on the road too much the word stop meaning anything they're saying these things but they don't have a connection to anymore lose their connection to the material and the only way to get around that is to constantly be writing new shit because if you're doing the same shift or too many shows in a row you start to go bonkers is that that's the I mean. It seems to be correct me if I'm wrong but like similar to why you guys are always changing. Your songs changing like there was a few songs did last night that I recognize the song but it was like a totally different beat a lot of it was different. Words exchanged the notes. I can keep inspiring for me by like focusing on the notes that I'm singing. I play. I don't even read music fucking notes singing. I just know like he can probably tell you more about that theory master when when I was a kid I used to hate live albums because I felt like they went too fast. Very few of them. Actually were alive really yeah. They're faking it. Faking Kiss Alive too Zoli early not alive it. Oh what's Frampton comes alive. That's real no no. What are you fucking. She just records definitely definitely studio record with maybe get up. That's marketing genius Jamie hundred percent. Maybe we should look also. I am guessing for sure for sure. The kiss regular was the fucking but they sound different thing. They were like friends out and it sounded like I don't know anything about music but to me. It sounded like they were performing. The songs faster which I always attributed to them being correct up because they're in front of an audience tempo. Is that out. That's exactly right the adrenaline because everyone's going crazy yeah. That's what I assumed 'cause listen. They sound different on some of those records. It might not even be them. Playing hearts tear. You get ghost players. They'd have to sign waivers and stuff. God like the monkeys which those records are incredible you know because it's all the wrecking crew playing playing the music. Those are good songs there. Harry Nilsson Neil Diamond wrote ninety percent of that Shit Real. That's why great songs the beach the beach boys exactly and they were all cut out here with eighteen musicians. The monkeys made some killer records phased Corpus Song things I've ever heard yet they got. They got dismissed because everybody knew they were kind of an artificially created. They were yeah that they were put on television. They're singing it yeah. They're actually singing. Who Do you think is the best singer of the monkeys ooh Mickey Dan. I don't know who's the best. I don't know the best singer I think so I only know one name and know Mickey Mickey Dolan's. The Davey Davey has the cleanest voice I think but I don't know if he was one of the other monkeys Mickley Dolan's Mike Nasmyth and Peter Tork Mike Mike Nasmyth and peer Torque Peter was Mike and Peter with a real musicians. Mike made the best records I think I think Mickey said Singer. Mickey was Goodson kind of it's kind of annoying ways of the R&B stuff head or something. You know it's annoying yeah. It's a little much I don't remember it. No Oh man you gotta. Watch the movie. It's what is it the monkees movie. The monkeys made a movie psychedelic. It's like psychedelic has like Brian Brian Auger Julie Driscoll head. All these like guests music in your head like like feed your head like Jefferson airplane playing like do drugs really it's. It's an insane like psychedelic. Why in the Fuck Oh my God I live visual for are pretty incredible. It's a I live in an alternate universe. I didn't know this existed. Do you think that's on Netflix. Please check was an event footage chilies in it wo- powerful in that fun belly Jack Jack Nicolson Sunny listens in it the boxer Oh my God God Jack Nicholson Man I forgot Western Desert Saga Warfare Music or films science fiction. It's memorable it find out the things on Netflix might have to recommend that people and we should have a companion where we just watch head which is on the list. It's on Youtube. okay good. That's what we'll do. We'll have a fight companion where we watched. The monkeys had a list of movies. Nicholson wrote the screenplay. Did he really and while Bob Wilson that's. That's one thousand nine hundred. What does it say sixty eight eight nine thousand six hundred Bucks Office in Sixteen Thousand Dollars. It'd be pro amid sixteen thousand dollars in the box office. Somebody got fired for that fucking movie movie. When did they try to make it sixty eight. One was the monkey when was it over for the monkees was just like their their attempt at sixty seven seven sixty eight with sort of the peak right. I don't know probably after that movie man was the TV show late sixties sixty head to make the gotTA cancels. They could make room for choice to wit. Three's company. Chuck and I have the official Joyce appreciation paint club. If you want to be remember we can talk about. I think I'm ready in all right. I have my own chapter joining these guest chefs different you know. How do you guys rocket. Say It on their. I five year old fetish obsession level may be. I don't know I used to be Mary Tyler Moore Fan. That was my gal. She's no show so is the word no but not Suzanne somers no Chris. He can go home really. Why do you think that he thinks he's too needy. What happens with Chrissy that she does this your thing she was overlooked sorta like ginger. No no not genuine. Marianne sorta like Marianne from Gilligan's island was Janet overlooked seem like it. Marianne was definitely overlooked. Everybody who's in ginger blood. It covers the looked like a giant pain. I mean I mean ginger. Rather your opinions up though the that's not everybody Freddie gets old come on is that Mugshot yeah probably looks up. St Why y'all Moshe Sorry Sorry Joyce but when she was in a prime what a doll and she very God's creation what it says on her shirt. They're called APPA remember. When they took Suzanne somers off the show she had a call in calling in. It's like hey it's me on on the show but one in vacation emission guys by like that was her being on the show Did they have a phone call with her. She wouldn't be interacting with them because because Cindy took over yeah then they fired it right. It was like contract negotiation. That was the first time you realize like even people on. TV are never happy right there on TV. They want more money. The Regal Beagle who I remember that remember when they switched the the old folks too yeah for Mr Roper man that's right. Mr Farley was a you know there's good fill in our guy at Dan. Tana's last night was basically Mr Fairly really Mr early. Never or a Mr further never broke the wall though the way Mr Rope did you uh-huh Zinger in and like looking at the camera shit ever. Mr Roper had a special sense of humor and he was also like a lovable pervert right remember number. He was like really into the girls. Mr Rose sure th- right I think Mr Roper referral lovable pervert was Don knotts Mr but I thought the other one was kind of a perv to now. He was married to kind of to the girls. The guys can be way more pervy on TV back. Then Oh yeah Oh man you go. The player remember Lee that I met John John Ritter John Ritter was on an episode of newsradio Super Nice Guy. Real real nice guy like everybody loved them. Uh I always as I got older. I always wondered about that. Guy Because I've always been fascinated by people who do a lot of pratfalls like those. Those guys get really hurt like that that pratfall shit. It's like it's a it's like you're playing rugby yourself you throwing yourself into chairs and onto the ground falling going down. The waste of money falling down falls down. You're falling down and taking the impact on your fucking back and allows guys get like significantly injured and if you read back on like ancient movie stars like a lot of them got really badly hurt was buster. Keaton had the broken neck. We showed this video of him. he did these crazy stunts in one sense he did like you had this water come down from this thing and hit him in the head who told us about this was at Penn Penn Jillette and he broke his fucking neck from the water hidden. They didn't anticipate the weight of the water and the water was so powerful that slammed him to the ground and broke his fucking neck and he continued with the scene and then later when he was older. The doctor was examining. When did you break your neck like I never did until the fuck. You didn't like Bro. You broke your neck your neck he even even he was running around with a broken neck different humans back then Sun. They made people different cliff booth yeah but him Jack Jack Tripper John Ritter. was he a lot of pratfalls man a lot. I always wondered about guys like that and I'm like how much pains dude in like. You're like what's his vase Chevy Chase. There was a I gotta think those who contributed to him being cranky because always people always say that Chevy Chase's cranky there was some recent thing where he's yelling at somebody for something prize probably in fucking pain all the time from fallen down like as back injuries from doing a lot of those pratfalls like they're always throwing themselves up in the legs up. Bam bouncing off the ground. It hurts being clerk. Yes that's right all that shit he did right. He was always falling down right. He was always getting fucked up man yeah. He fell off the roof. That's right it did fall fill out of the Attic Eric. I wonder what they did with that. How do they how they set that up. These guys you think it's hard to save him. I don't know of ventured Richard into Thespian a little little bit will but the now now it's not really the stunt guys do crazy shit but like you know you can still get fucked up style. DOC guys get fucked up a lot. My friend just got severe concussion from doing some work in a movie. He's having a hard time. Look at lights. I fell on my back and some rehearsals for a movie last year. We had to go to New Orleans for like a week and rehearse the scene because it was going to be one twelve minutes shot and Daniel Clean. I had to like body slam each other on the pavement about twenty times one day. I guess I landed on the PAT on the curb wrong. I got home at night and it felt like a kid. He's on fire and then I had to. PISS like every three minutes for the next week. That's blood trason. So of course the next week is when we went to actually film. The fucking thing in Cleveland in mill polar vortex out there in the shoot and the whole time I'm just like I got a bladder infection from just from fallen down one time wrong and you have to do it again. Oh we did it like one hundred fifty times for this moving through the for one scene in the movie yeah. I'll never really question how hard those people work ever again did did you get an. MRI Did you get Dr in New Orleans and she checked it out and so there wasn't like there was trace blood but nothing was she said don't be a pussy. Don't be essentially yeah pretty much all right don't be that kind of impact has no way no. It's a weird way to make a living. I mean you guys probably have every single person that does your job for at least a a few years probably has sustained impact and stress injuries. I would imagine oh you deserve jacked up all the time jacked up while they're active-duty like the guys that actually walk in here and on your show like they're they're probably all jacked up and then the probably the better off ones because they took okay their bodies. A lot of people don't do that. That's like becoming more of a thing like the tactical athlete needs I mean my knee was getting Janke. Before the foot blew off from squad eight thousand pounds all through your twenties I would say that was a preventative measure like you maintaining like same like you you train all the time like you'd maintain going through full range of motion and take keep instructors loaded and pliable strength training do conditioning endurance based stuff and maintain mobility. That's like you lose mobility. You Start Dying Yeah for sure definitely with when it comes to like anything that's going to be throwing you around or battering you into something the more muscle more strategic and put into your body the more you can protect yourself awfully only so much but would you know when you think about wrestlers or anybody who does anything when they're getting slammed to the ground a lot. You know they're mostly doing if they're doing it as a competitor tune it on Matt's cushioned. You know if you're doing it on the street like they've got you doing some sort of stunt maneuvers like what kind of pads they have underneath you like a basic martial arts big bad boy fix those little no one's really fold up because they wanna see your body actually hit the ground correct and then when when they actually shot the thing the only thing thing that we didn't want the part where I definitely had to like judo flip his ass off onto pad and we did all that but then like the stunt guys came out how did that shift for real onto frozen. Fuck concrete in negative twenty degrees sounds like Oh yeah you're gonNA have you know but they for real like due straight up suplex this motherfucker on the pavement. They had kneepads elbow pads on everything but you know it had to look real. Those are the guys you wonder how how long career lasts that's where I can't wait for robots. Get really good at body slams. You know see what they're doing now with the park where robots and should that's what we need. Just robots body slam each other or you just get it to where. CGI doesn't offend me. You know watched Avatar Ktar the night against look at all those old Jackie Chan movies knowing what the guy is putting his body God for sure yeah no doubt about it. Definitely fleet was slammed into things left and right but if you go back and watch avatars fucking first of all it's awesome fucking awesome. It's really good but the CGI it's so so obvious it's not real people so the guy who invented the software that James Cameron used to make Avatar did the video for the a number of four song on this Michael Arias disease guy was so fucking genius yes. He couldn't articulate senses. It was like the dry meetings I've ever been in his brain. There was so much shit going on on levels. We could never comprehend that he was so ooh. I thought wow yeah but he's making computers and Shit. I can't yeah that was ten years ago. That came out to which is crazy. I didn't know it was that long ago some fucking great scenes in that movie Man People Get Depression Russian after that movie they got a thing called Avatar depression because they wished living in Avatar that wish that they were on Pandora. They wish they were the navy like living. A spiritual life can can connected to the mother would they cau- if they only knew they are yeah but yeah sour loans and shit they really. WanNa be flying around on turtles. Mass shooting rose narrows people. CNN It'd be on twitter man but that's a powerful movie where people actually get depression from not living in the place where the movie was taken place never seen it never seen I've seen it. You've never seen goonies either though so let's not talk again you know. Have you never seen goonies born in Nineteen ninety-two yeah but have you not gone back Avatar. That doesn't make any sense but that's two thousand nine with. Did you get abused as a child now. I'm just waiting to go on the road so we can watch us uh-huh Dude. You got to watch Avatar man. It's a three hour masterpiece. You might tear up. A little bit got something to do. Do Adult movie. James Cameron can direct the fuck out of a movie. He can do just about anything else to do it. I'm basically if you can't do it. He just invent some shit so he can do it but I forgot got a good that movie was I haven't seen it forever. I wash again. I was like fuck is a good movie. It's fun. People go out. It's like an alien version of Pocahontas. Save it off. Save that shit keyed yourself. I enjoy it trippy fucking movie man. It's fun but every story is like version of another story. It's always existed. Classic archetypes that are unavoidable doesn't mean it's not an awesome movie fucking pain in the ASS Goddamn malcontents out there. There's always somebody avatars for terrible. He movies terrible. You have no soul does nothing tied you roadhouse exactly there's a few where you sober when you watched it yes yes. I was around their own brother insinuation. There's a lot of colors to be like when you can't be so before. SHOWGIRLS showgirls might be ultimate bad movie with Elizabeth Berkeley. Oh remember she played she played a girl trying to make it as a sugar on Vegas and it's just like cartoonish. Lee Ridiculous they have seen scene where he's she's having sex with Kyle with Fox's name what's his name. Jamie guy from twin peaks Jamie Anyway. She has the most preposterous sexiness in the history of film where she starts flopping around. They're having sex in a pool and she starts flailing just like you would. You'd have to be an asshole to keep fucking quite a a healthy person is having a psychotic break. I need to step away. Stop Thinking about my deck and and help her. She's my friend and she's fucking. She's having in some sort of a a psychotic seizure. She's flailing like flopping back and forth and flailing. If you were dating Oh my God dude she so annoying she everything she does. She has to throw body around flail. You've never seen that. We've put it up on your before but it's turtles never seen it. Oh I I was what what year is this movie. I was thinking right when I say this is how it is out here. I've seen trying to block it out TV. That's still are still remember. The billboards on sunset was driving on sunset showgirl first year living in. La Shit what's up fuck kind of pizza shit. Shit movies these people do but it's one of those movies where you watch like people forgot how bad it is. It's the cocaine days as a films where they're making these movies. We're obviously someone was on coke. Someone making that movies on Coke is there but they have. I have my yeah. You see you see her tatas to her titles absolutely seen the scene before you never seen it starts off. You know I've seen it. It's awful volt awful but if you get really really high it might be good again that sixteen terrible we'd I spent that's what's good about. It is terrible. It is the movie you have to. Ah Yes have to see on the road grizzly man we've seen that the documentary yes isn't necessarily the greatest unintentional comedy in the history of comedy the what could go wrong. What was the thing you showed us yesterday. Bear is that we're through the eighties moving mushroom when he hits the Mushrooms Bear. I haven't seen it but maybe have you seen no. There's a movie about a barely mushrooms. Jamie look up. The scene on Youtube got to look it up. What is this movie about. That's about a dude Jamie things happen but it has happened. Oh these are AMANITA miscarry. fucking terrifying sees a butterfly or something and he's tripping balls so this is a nature documentary looks like a real bear though so we're not sure sure they did. I don't think that's the things bear nap bro. This is hilarious that Amanita miscarry Gary a mushrooms a weird mushroom. That's that one that they think is that's from the John. Marco Allegro book the Sacred Mushroom and the cross he attributed that to the birth of Christianity Missile Pretty good outfit though yes does a Santa Claus outfit look the Pope the pope yeah. There's a lot of connections between mushrooms in ancient Christianity's Hannity's fucking really interesting stuff holy Shit. What are we watching this. What Jefferson bears triples bowls driven ball. They glued a butterfly black to them. It's not really there. Oh this real God. Will you ever see the Jaguar tripping been out on the Jaguars. Eat the either they eat or their eating the harming or or they're eating the Iowa divine one of the two might just be the army whatever the eatings having some sort of a psychedelic effect on them and the Jaguars eat these leaves and then you just lie and the pupils are dilated their trip and balls like obviously tripping balls to see a Jaguar rolling around on the floor in the middle of the jungle after eating leaves. It's very strange never seen that. No Jamie please is already. I was trying to find out what that movie. The bear was all about. I just thought to navigate. Ah What is it about about life of a bear. Some kids movie from Francis. Kids Movie Alice in Wunderle find a Jaguar high on t to trip. You Watch his Jaguar eat. These leaves here goes gophers green and Jamie full screen is tripping so this Ah Jaguar he seeks out these these plants eats them and then he just lying there like ball. Uh The thing about the people who take that Iowa Tuesday see Jaguars. It's part of the vision wonder what what they're doing is connecting to jaguars out their trip and balls to look at them album. Yeah that's a really common vision that people take Iowa because they see serpents and they see they see Jaguars spiriting by US home. That's my young guns miles when they go to the spirit world. This is how come killing us because we're in a spirit world all the thief that was Charlie. Sheen's brother correct amelio Estevez. He's the only one that kept the family name right there. All the real name was Estevez but Amelio took a chance. He's like I'm GonNa go with this. Whole Latino Angle my first dame's Amelio Lego right because Charlie Estevez like you've been compromised name I can tablet is a bunch of handsome bastards Kiefer Sutherland uh-huh. Everybody look at them all Lou Diamond Phillips in the House. WHO's that other guy in the back. That guy had a shitty agent morning dermer sermon yeah he was a bunch of those movies but the other guy who's the case Yeslam Mascow a case shutout Casey so Let's wrap this bitch up. I think we're way too high to be making any sense to people man. I have a question for you please. Do you know who butcher Brown is. Yeah we have the butcher. Brown heading is for seems John. He's a doctor. That did a bunch of like unlicensed. Sex Sex change. Surgery Garages tells he's on murder Pedia. If Jimmy wants to look at what's your Brown so he did unlicensed sex change operations and people died from it he while eating raw hotdogs drink coffee raw talks talks heat and hot dogs and cutting off Dick's nothing word there. Everything's it just keep going bro. That's the most ridiculous they ever heard. He was eating raw hotdogs and cutting off Dick's. That's what he does this man while drinking dark Dr Pepper and how many people did I think it was almost I mean it was hundreds like a detailed descriptive article work on anybody honey. Did everybody die you. GotTa read it. If you watch headline read that. Why did you all the things to curse me with the doctor. America's worst Dr will ever think ever once you read it. You have to look that up to see that's actually crazy glue picture in your like your let me see picture Jim. He put your Bob Silicone on wherever you want it for like two hundred bucks you know and then just like Blackhawk looks up with crazy glue and tell you to lay down flat for two days. Oh my God but he's ahead a lot of business. I'm not sure I found working. Anybody magically like made one bomb ass. Look great job came out great once and he's like I'm just chasing that dragon with every time one time nailed it caulk and this lady's ass cheeks dude it helped Vanden looked better most of the time. It looks like a disaster. Mr Found see what your Bob looks like. I don't like to judge people based on it but my God look look at the frown on his face. He's like a character. That's a smile I would not assume that guy's friendly homicide self-appointed sex chain specialist practicing in medicine without a license Oh. He didn't even have a license dammit. They should make a movie about this guy. Brian Cranston sentenced to fifteen years to life died in in prison in two thousand ten that he is a funny thing. Is You reading here that there's another guy that's competition. That's the second worst dr or debatable but it was this guy real doctor now. He said self-appointed right so does that mean yeah. I thought he had like a some sort of a military. Thyroid's Everything Sofa Point is sixteen specialist hundreds of operations. Don't do that renegade doctor. It's his place was called. A what was it called the room of Dream Born into a strict Mormon Family Brown was a gifted child. Oh boy how many any fucking disaster start out with that sentence board into a strict Mormon Family Brown was a gifted child. That's the open parts parts of a novel. That was terribly wrong. He had a miniaturization technique for clitorises took the patients peanuts and turned into a clitoris. Chris apparently guaranteeing clients full sexual pleasure. He presented his work. The nineteen seventy-three medical conference where his technique earned him the respect. Some of the world's most famous surgeons without surgical qualifications. Brown had to perform his operations. The most unlikely an inappropriate locations one early patient remembers going to his office assuming he would do a checkup but awoke from the anesthetic to discover that he had operated in the office. He turned his garage garage into an operating theater and the more operations. He did the further his standard slips. No Oh my God this next despite the concerns of his peers many of Brown's patients appear to be happy. That's like if you bought a really small small book it would end right there. One of his early patients Elizabeth had been delighted with her surgery later. Things started to go wrong Her Vagina started to tighten and close up the Hemingway's sentences Brown was abandoning his patience and leaving vindamme to other surgeons like Dr Jack Fischer to pick up the pieces. He says it's hard to imagine anyone worse than John Brown. He didn't care much for any evaluating. His Patients Shins before surgery or for post operative care. He was totally focused on the technical procedure itself and he didn't do that very well. Jesus Christ man put some good shit out in the world done this to us. Yeah you gotTa do this and then watched chuck and Buck shots. What are you doing me man. What is shocking buck. And why do I not WanNa look what the fuck sure play a game Joe. Hey Jamie look up for you. WanNa play a game what's chuck and Buck Awkward. fucking film ever made wait a minute more awkward than that. What was that one with the dude. They made the room where they made a movie. What's his face fucking three James Franco made a movie about the movie being made. Hey remember the room. He has no that movie the room where he played you know it is the Jesse James. Franco actually made a whole movie the movie so insane James Franco made a movie about the making of the movie but how insane it was. It's a guy was like this dude. Who's like an actor and things weren't going so well? She put together enough money to make his own movie but it's terrible and in every scene he was like making out with girls. Yeah Tommy Yeah. It's it's hard to watch. It's one of those movies that so bad like. You think you're going to get schizophrenia from watching it. It's distorting reality in a way that does not. It's not compatible audible with your senses. It's confusing. 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UFC Champion Cris Cyborg

Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

38:52 min | 1 year ago

UFC Champion Cris Cyborg

"Most this is <hes> this is the kind of show this is a very emotion to show ignited with a bunch of passion a bunch of love and stuff but dealing with the truth to deal with the two human beings and the two human being floor then we'd beat ourselves up sometime and sometimes you have to forgive ourselves in love back guardless <music> welcome to another episode of Hot Boxing. I'm Evan Britain and Mike Tyson often guests today awesome guests. We've got Chris Cyborg in the house. Welcome thank you. It's great to have certainly from Brazil. I born in Brazil leave American. I will years. Yes you like it here. Yes is it place then. Give opportunity for me show my job. It's Nice really nice excellent. Where do you live what each suite for big Nice? That's awesome well aside from being a U._F._C. Champion. You're also you've done a ton of incredible work <hes> with fight for the forgotten and Justin Rennes Organization and other U._F._c. guy and tell us a little bit about that. I know you do a lot of great work over in Africa with children and helping people bring reese bringing resources to those areas so tell us a little bit about that in and I think Ya'll is light to tell my down my fans. I'm out of the Champ online but the most important to champion the people champion you know like make the difference is not just the chance to hold the belt but make a difference and our do missionary working Brazil and this time I went to Gunnedah and very special we think will help people to help us a lot of things there and have made experience I work with five forgotten. We put in Chew Village Water will and we went to that facilitate the water but it's very nice because you see like you cannot complain about anything. The worst Casey near life you here is not the same there you know and they just okay I don't I don't like to do videos anything. I do like this. Because of the show off no no I want to maybe open to people to ten and now and then I think worked for just as Nice because fight for God because I put the water in that went there see works because essentially a lot of people complain okay okay but to help but we don't see did not know and and I'm going to be forever chamber for them for short you know they're going to have clean water at the time when the cup is more special so important bring clean water the two people who don't have because we really don't think have people in the world have this problem because wake up every day didn't know just turn on a faucet. Yes Yes for granted. I mean Yeah <hes> I've been to South Africa before. Wait Wait Oh and I've seen little baby kid like Michael by six seven years old and he's playing with a giant pig on five hundred pound pig capable of eating that kid the vicious but he's playing with Makanin around Jeff Beck wrestling and I'm saying what a life and he lives in shambles. He lives in shambles. He lives like in the tent house when it's hot must be boiling in there and it's just no clean water and ravished off getting people happy yes. This is true. No I don't expect anything I mean you. We expect something. They don't expect. They happy without anything that we can never comprehend 'cause we. We'd never yes taught that way. The jury for we never took grateful. We always beaten into submission to know gratitude. You Know Young Age gratitude. This is one thing changed like touch my heart because when they look the kids there then I have shoes I saw girls going to school should just having one like left side of twos and they look her. I feel like I wanna cry because it feels said but then don't know on the other life then appreciate I share what they have and look at then. Everybody's my is true yeah. It's very nice. Yes you know the I don't understand another reason think that I see kids. They're better food kick bit one's and one's naked snake diploma went to other place village we saw feeling there and there was little kids bad food coupons nextstep on Orwell frigging what yeah it's cute into the sense. It's the comes in yeah so what you guys go and you dig water wells. Would it's the other work that is done on these trips. I went to South Africa place away and then I have a good who team there and then I'm trained because I was thinking I'm going to fight in Brazil. Okay may eleven and they went to South Africa training and hear about just GonNa beat you gone to say no. I wanted to go with you and I I'll EDA's put to the warden and they say okay if you come to celebrate and they did celebrate visit the Pekinese because just as the big the big pygmies and the pygmies. It's like a number of people but the people all it does mall heard about the number freak me out. They have some people that are giant studio right that from tribe that a giant end. It's crazy because Justin leave if they're like one year in Congo and job and this people we help then then then pass it to the border and the jungle but pests Uganda and if people put down like some jail than can leave that input three hundred now then one sixty because of sickness I._D.'s and a lot of bad things drink bad water. And when it went dead we help these people but the liking Congo have like four hundred thousand pygmies and they all laid because people don't see like people were human being anymore they slave dens leaving and these people now in Uganda. We help then you're going to help it in farm farm because I was hunt limit the jungle and they're going to just going to help inform we put the water the kids start sturdy like English they the Independence One hundred years yes one hundred years yeah probably had the independence in sixty of the seventy probably maybe something like that Congo didn't they had they had me and he was a dictator and they're ravaged the country and all that stuff the yeah but you know glad that we help lear ones and some people are going to but I see we're gonNA give you because they don't know another life to hunting and eat what the hunt and now we're going to the kids learn English that it's really cool who we can talk to kids and now help to feel edge. They're going to help you farm and those change a life somebody this amazing. Yes that's amazing work I mean but we never had people living living the jungle net days like they've to try to never been in contact with people yeah that's crazy. I know I was afraid that will be absolutely sure I really do. I was GonNa Start Sleeping my knife beside me. Eh GonNa work a lot but you know my son does what she does. He goes to Haiti and stuff and at one time and please don't do that. I would never go to and then understood the blessings that you get from going there. MHM Now my son's just a kid. He's sixteen. He doesn't know what he's doing but he doesn't know what he's doing a gal while he he went to Africa went to Haiti wells worlds and all that stuff fresh water that's Bashar. It's nice yeah especially I mean we just get so caught up in the rat race of life in America you know like trying to make money and trying to be successful and trying to look good it and all this bullshit and we don't even stop to think for a minute that there are people across the world that don't even have running water. Yes yeah well. You've got to walk miles to get water. Hey if you sent him. A thousand dollars will last them a lifetime. Hi Yes okay true thousand dollars lifetime. You know what we've done with a thousand dollars before a lifetime thousand dollars. It'd be a ball over there yeah okay. That's good good because it's awesome. It's nice when you go visit someplace because we stop believing the bubble because some people have never seen anything this war to believe. It's only this. I have a lot of a lot of things you know. I imagine that's an amazing lesson to see. You know like you were talking about you. Go there and these people are living in such dire conditions yet. They're still finding happiness. I know that is such a God aw shot yes. What else did they go to the bathroom? They have solar system. Did they go in the woods with none other than because now then okay like then in one village it can get out but then they make a hole in the floor and then I'll have a restaurant restaurant team then the European like that two years goes on the hole in the floor India's like Yeah Yeah Yeah that's insane. I mean we take our bathrooms for granted to you know sometimes we won't even use it. Yeah yeah take today on that in Seattle Washington slack. That's crazy do they have shamans and these villages are there it should he should he do. They invented this stuff pretty much. Are there like village doctors who have like traditional medicine that they await over them. Should they do become like almost a tourist attraction. You know these Europeans leans in as in the middle of the jungle then when they're in the village they need like leaves some leaves into leaves. They make no hungry interest and maybe happy like just like what I'm I'm asking is like. What's the medical access? If somebody needs like medical care then die then listen. I'm the whatever they have now anything. They needed a shot at some right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so crazy his and think is ludicrous. It's a big and now it's not just the place I went to gun. That's a lot of going Congo and when they went to gun and they see I check it out and then we see he's not the worst place like number seven then he measured number one number one whole the whole <hes> disease infected people Muslim canal. It's really bad after village Magin his kids young thirteen twelve been attacked them a molested and the whole village is infected with diseases feminine believe they have with the version that these he's would dissipate with disappear rumors yeah and then in Congo Congo. Some people believe he should then like have a relationship sexy fifty guineas GonNa Core E._J.. You'll catch it yeah like Yeah Killa Ministry yes yeah I mean nothing too bad stuff that stuff bad stuff. How long have you known each other? Have you met before before yet. Yes I went. I went to your place in Las Vegas. Yes we take pictures together. I don't have my phone but we take one picture together. When did you meet man? Maybe too far I think yeah I was no in the A._F._C.. At winning the fights to yeah yes yes. We'll tell us about your fighting career Chris like how did you come. Into how did you come to fighting you know I I never want to be a fighter before like I don't have a dream nineteen and whenever teenager might my dad loved boxing and his always watch the mic the mic fight and then his way to him for to watch but that was the fall asleep because in Brazil it's like three M is very mate and but I never connected to fight but I always like to sport before I do track and field play handball and even some track. I do like epic battle. It's like a seven seven we do two hundred maddow's meters one hundred meters eight hundred years and it's like a DECAF yes because yes and we started. I started play handball. I play handball but everybody thinks handball think you're playing the wall no no to Rio game six against six serious yes and they start of twelve and then play whole my away when high-school college and then when I was in university I was playing handball and this is like save me because have it's called her ship. I really want to beat the best why doing making me put out the drugs out to do you bet thanks and the one that was play. Handball and diversity one guy saw me. He's black belt from shutterbugs. Jim and he told after the game he say you know I think it can be great fighter and his meals shoot the boxcar at I I look him crazy and because I have a bad bed bed situations when they go to school I have my asking time. Never GonNa be a fighter and then look at him like me k. and then all the time time his saw me anniversary. Tell me you went to Jim. Jim Okay one day I show up to the gym and there was my tight rein. I watch and then maybe can do that. I was strong but not have like punished for punch anybody and and then when I did my first train is nice because People Punch me I dunno points but I want to punch back and then this is the one thing you can teach people you can teach techniques you can teach them. You know you can say this. The first thing can happen when you got punched in your face you punch bat yeah push back like you know making anger anger and then okay start learning and then in three months training. I told him I coach you know I want to do on fight because I always compete race. I do handball and I'd like to compete challenge like compete and it's the milk Chris. I'm going to see what can do for you okay and then one month later. He tells me Chris we gotta fight for oh you but having problems his no my diet you're going to have to learn little things. I'm more cool. I didn't know I was nineteen years old. I was going to be a fight that was going stress. Nineteen and I did my first fight. I was doing goodbye loss. I fight because in Brazil in the event you can step on the face on the people in the floor you can step on the head and the box very clear about this because in Depri- other events and then we turn out and then when they go stepping on the head and the floor she pushed me and then I fall and that is located in my elbow but I did. I was like I say no and after the fight I put my elven place and ask for rematch same night and in my heart saying born for this Disney have cards. I can do whatever you want. I born for this and after this day I stopped new handball. I Stop Ray run track and field than just. May I love that's awesome. It's awesome story and that's because I know looking for like something that God put my life firefighter because N._F._l.. Mahat I've done for this. You know another sport just helped me build who I am but yeah it's awesome. Mike and I talked about all the that all the time the I wanted <hes> that's so Jane at the cuff explain the significance of being individual the champ everybody champ then I read about them and then I wanted to be this guy the rim up their lives and what they had glamorous lives they had all the women all Cardi all the parties all the girl or the car though and wow this guy didn't even have lost obey God and this is what I wanna be. I WANNA be like these guys yeah. You know I wanted to dedicate my life being like these guy yeah me too man. I remember that feeling too. That's so funny that you were like you because is example. Mike like he's at the example Luke. Okay I want to be like and almost a hard because when they did my I did a couple of fights in Brazil and they WANNA have to fight America and they see how these people like my job your job because the beginning of my career I trained to Jim only media grow. It's forty guys and my mom don't want Greece. You See I want to be dentist the dentist okay. I'm not the answer but they can take to four off you know but yeah and then and then when I start I started to find this may born for this and then see the <unk> America and they moved to America for stay six months and they almost ten years. Yes also yes yes. That's so cool and I mean I'm sure you feel like the universe has put you on this path to now with where you're traveling the world in helping people yes then this is the one thank God bless. You have to be somebody people because you feel case. God choosing bless you anyways. If you don't have the money my bless you the people around you you know be happy motiva- people try changing your word you leave. I think when God bless you something blessed people because why he's GonNa bless you going to do anything you're GONNA stuck. You okay are going to change. They're going to get for another person now because his I I like using my platform for sharing my faith for Cher motivate people do lose something different. Make the difference and no around you. I think this is the most special because champion it's nice you can have the beltway can look ahead about forever. You know I still like ten thirteen years and defeated but I know in my heart before. I know champion are going to be but it'd be cheaper. People lives be champion. Oh reminded about you did for sure that place villager went. They're going to be the champ for them. Imagine have water. You know this is a special you. Oh you never underestimate you can't be champion forever but never underestimate the power of the championship belt it live in people's mind your champ for evidence in people's mind has I don't know I guess S. drooping. I don't think it right but I can't stop this. This is what it is people's mind. They're always naked may make you the Fox Goto you. You need to use this platform into us and then absolutely always remember you. People always yes. Yeah absolutely makes totally right about that. I mean I really look at my life now. As whoever I am I wanNA <hes> spread blessings to people positively you know as much if I can lift somebody up every day everyone that I talked to that I mean if I can just lift them up a little bit to be a little bit better for themselves every day. It's like I'm like those are. I'm just giving it's giving people blessings like you're talking about you know and spirit gathers around that person to help them rise to lift their vibration he because this avoided not people more bully bully bully of people together and then like like you can because everybody allow instagram you see you you have the perfect body you see a lot of teenage on suicide because Budi because like you have to support important you know you can support somebody close to you doesn't matter if no money but your attitude and then I believe one chart because before being for both I I make the shirt like Chris Cyborg. I guess the word over one fun. Actually I send it to me and they use it for a little while but because the water we make a plan and a few my heart you know maybe we can be against award but we can change the words you and they make different. I take out the diverse and they change. I Love Yeah I love it and having to gift for your guy. Thank you so much together. You can change your words some people. That's so awesome thank you well come <hes>. Do you feel about that man because I feel like you're just Mr spread the love these days especially Eh with up on are going to get the hoodies out in time math Heaven Video K. and shoot tight ship station DOT COM ship stations ship station helps you get orders out quickly. Save money on shipping costs and keep your customers happy no matter where you're selling Amazon Oetzi or your own website ship station brings all your orders into one simple tool that works on any device it works with all of the major major shipping companies those big corporate fortune five hundred fat cats sitting on their piles of money. They get all kinds of discounts when they shipped their stuff ship station can get you those same discounts. No matter the size of Your Business. They know your business has the heart of a fortune five hundred company and they fight to get you the discounts you deserve right now. 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I think you've seen that to the utmost that anyone can do anything that they want to do. And when I did the total time why did with my whole life was telling me when I dial them do apologize filled all the pain ever caught somebody on the eighth ever caused people in my journey in its world. I didn't seem by felt. The pain couldn't help enough. I was so happy I woke up in. It's beautiful that you can look at that man painful stuff though unle- stuff to told his fucking ugly stuff dude put their real rain your faith don't WanNa fuck you up. I'm sorry fucked up but I mean saying that's my experience legs. Antibody do mistakes and then by God no your heart and your heart he he's listen you and then he's going to forgive you know one person can only him and all its. Hey twelve know anything about God. You know. I don't know anything about and then you you you. You did a lot of good things and then you spend. A Lotta people me myself like champion beat. Everybody do the best you can and you exempt for a lot of people know and number look at life like that. You know I'll never be forgiving. You Will God forgive everyone. You swap our height for him. Thank God to believe I now know he's nine that. I think I'm somebody's ego my own self love and now he loved you too and then before born. He knows you're gonNA born. He's knows everything in the okay because you say people know about some steak you say because you everybody look at you like me. If it doesn't mistake you're gonNA be ever page in the newspaper no but a lot of people that mistake all the time but because because they don't see everyday no famous you know like but you feel hide for God that you open your heart. Maybe you see don't open for God because it didn't know you you you didn't know him but he no you his his gonNA forgive you like I learned I follow him and I believe we have to pay for and I believe we have to you you may you can you can pay. I haven't paid enough. I haven't in pay enough. If if I died tomorrow I've won after right. The world check never paid have to pay for my sins now. If your heart to God yeah give me yeah. He's GONNA forgive you. You know you gotta forgive give you. I believe this is GonNa have to be some action like what you doing. The action is not me thing accident forgiveness because I'm what are you doing now. What are you doing now? This review your heart for should open heart a a lot of people you know and then change sometimes you for people say no. I did a lot of mistake and if you sorry there's a lot of people can't do that if you're doing this now because you special and because you re do you can change a life about doing it is what you're doing like you. God giving you a pretend now for you can do this you doing. You're doing something cool. Hey I appreciate the two knowledge is being cool but I look at it. It's just yes because you walk her heart now some when people know what they're hired somebody now listen to read you cow. Somebody know forgive me to think I did. I'm sorry you know because some heart and then this is dizzy opportunity. Doing you know it is amazing. What do you do a lot of people don't want to open? No I do it out of fear. Okay I know from my experience. I know I'M GONNA wind up and some way I'm apt to be <hes> questioned for this. You know it's going to be a challenge and then they're going to be praying for you. I think you yes this guy you touch your heart. Put beautiful people are life and talk to you and I'm GonNa be always be around the new talk yes or sure. Can I say something you say anything a little. Please talk to you. You had to go through all of that so the you could change the world. Well yeah feet down. You don't realize how many lives you're changing saving because of who you are and what you've been through and how you're willing to speak about it now I think by now because I'm afraid you've had told her today and they do it. In my faith nobody nobody can judge you like but people do does does by nobody looked to didn't change anything. Only God can judge you because the one the one perfect you know and you just need to forgive yourself yeah because your loved yeah. Yeah people can forgive themselves to we do do I WANNA be. I'm a Megalomania. Yeah forgive myself. I'm fucking perfect but the reality of it is that you did something mother. Fucker pay up up yes. This is my world. That's just what I'm experiencing now why I love you too. I love US well. You know I don't know I don't know why my brother I agree. I am I WANNA be above them and I mean I thought we had together with feeding brothers and striving brothers you know and this is just the most this is this is the kind of show so this is a very emotion this show the ignited with a bunch of passionate a bunch of love and stuff but it's dealing with the truth to in dealing with the two human beings and the chew for human beings. We're flawed and you know we beat ourselves up sometime and sometimes we have to forgive ourselves loves US love ourselves regardless stuff. We gotta be <hes> maybe once before ourselves as well. Maybe you'll remember just the things you think it'd be the bad things but you do where you come from and then. Why did I support you in a lot of teenage mine? You know like a lot of people may become through glad things you gone on before your life and it's you know Mike Tyson did his dean champion. He's did fight grade. I can do that if he did it can do and you can you can you can be mad yourself will you. He God can forgive anybody who just open your heart your doing and though and and this is the more specialty we I don't know I guess <hes> I just <hes> the word I'm trying to do is I'm re re examined myself. You know what I mean. I do <hes> I don't know what do you call it and annually we saw so myself in check myself out and sometimes you know life is difficult to even live. You know that life is pretty difficult. And then sidelight me just have to be responsible. Individuals have to be a stab at so for your children and your family and your wife and everything and Life <hes> sometime it come pfaff at me coming real fast. Yes sorry about Chris. No I'm really happy you know hours. I believe there's nothing happened for no reason now. This is a good yes. This is dealing with the real. Yes you know and then another thing that I think bad things if happier life I think for change you know God change you make you better know everything you pass through for sure. Make you better you better than before. Oh absolutely yes in have have a great support system family and everything yes and now this is a good thing you know. I don't remember about this but one time it felt shopping and I feel very sad. People judge me people are a lot of things but the only people know know who you are. If you use your shoes in the never gonNA feel this and a lot of people judging me a lot of people give back from me and have some days I my room was crime because people judge you and do you know Oh and essay after everything through God. Just change making me better. You know I feel bad about the happen but I feel I feel bad that I'm a better person to before in no and this has happened like once something bad happen your life like you have to see okay what they need to learn from this for show you learn a lot of things you know different Mike and and it is the most special you know like d life happy stuff I but for we can quit. We have to continue and use it this for changes. I agree you know I always stick with my only self inventory. You know do myself into the bank. That was in cushion that did that today. Hey you know you have to do that too. So what's your diet like. How do you eat? Do you know I was too. I walk usually seven hundred seventy five kilos seven seven but that fought more forty five like six six killers and I was you'd like to stay on health failed time <hes> vegetable someone I am too much fast food you know sometimes like after fi to diet long time you know but really my have my health clean health and then we very clean like clean like vegetables <hes> <hes> solid fish and for keeping my weight low no no because if I started the I'm going to Keillor's easy I was I was with a fight after fight like you said I will go eat and drink every anything anything everything you eat drink every piece by I have to always lose from to sixty to go down to seventeen. Damn Mike come both doing six weeks six weeks six weeks. Yeah Ed Nice to eighth ten weeks yeah six weeks. Yes that's hard yeah nothing but water nothing pretty much pretty much vegan but a lot of fast doing a lot of fat avalos born out of running sprinting exercise. You're just getting ready. Destroying ready for war joined yourself yeah yeah. You're getting Fox have fight you fox hunting and to help you know have a lot of you can keep me Fox. I moved out Man Chris. Is there anything that you want to shout out before we wrap this thing up. Get in contact with you know Goma eastern good. I'm Chris Cyborg working to know about fight forgotten. You can go to my website. I cyber fight for guarding for lifting for yeah. You can go my website Chris Cyber Dot com through all that stuff in when show notes yes and pink both is last week. I doing like for to help. 'EM US we trainee. 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#1277 - Gabrielle Reece

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#1277 - Gabrielle Reece

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You'll get free shipping and a sixty day money back guarantee that simply safe dot com slash Rogan. So they know that I sent you. Simplisafe dot com slash Rogan. All right. My next guest. I've been a fan of this lady for a long time following her both in her athletic pursuits as a American professional volleyball player, but also her internet internet. What does that her internet presence her particularly her Instagram presence? I follow her on Instagram, and she's very positive and a deep thinker. And she's just always thinking about stuff and considering things talking about stuff, and she's a great guests as a podcast. So please, welcome Gabrielle Reece. The Joe Rogan experience. Podcast. And we're live. Now. How are you? Good. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me, you're looking. Well. Thank you. You are as well. I I really enjoy following you on Instagram. You you have a very positive Instagram page. It's full of information. It's beneficial. Great stuff. Thanks. I, you know, I I'm I feel like I'm trying to figure that out like for a younger person. It's like, oh, yeah. Well, this is how you do it. And for me, I'm like, well, what do you really want to say? And I don't know. I think sometimes I I would like to take more chances. But I do play it probably safe house. Oh, what can what I try to be pretty honest. But sometimes you're always very aware that you just I'm not interested in getting roasted or spending a lot of time and energy in a hassle with somebody. So I think when I'm doing it. I'm as honest as I can be, but I'm it's also I'm aware of that. Would you hold back on like what kind of stuff? I think for me, it would just maybe just be more, even maybe more direct. But you're you know, I think when you're when you sort of say, okay, I'm an occupy this space professionally that feels good to me. And like, I want it to be overall pretty positive, you know. You know, if you're selling something like maybe I'd like to try sell something positive, but hopefully towards the honest a little bit. And sometimes when you're doing that you're also aware that like you're not as harsh as sometimes your inner voices. And so you go on my not being completely honest and transparent because I don't really want to deal with it. And I so I'm just saying because you don't want to deal with feedback comments. Yeah. And it's and it's also just people who are frustrated or or or also they're not getting maybe the nuance or the subtlety of what I'm trying to say. Let's just say that social media's not the place for subtlety. Now. Not in the comments for. Sure, right. Right. So I just I I wanted to do stuff that seems like that seems authen, you know, pretty real, but hopefully skewed towards like either fun or something positive one of the things that I've recognized from doing in a podcast is that some of the frustration. When people do lash out and you'll. This is like out of proportion. Some of it is due to the fact that it's very frustrating to just not be a part of the conversation. If you disagree with when you're listening to just the fundamental, the this the act of listening to someone have a conversation and something comes up like. But what about that? That's what I say that. And it's like this you you get stuck. Yeah. And then you leave it a shady comment. Yeah. God guys a dick. But point his frustration of not being able to communicate interject. It's like your kid. Who would be like, hey, hey, hey, and they never get to win. Yeah. That's a great point. I think you've probably been tempered by doing this and have probably looked at it from a lot of different points of view 'cause you have to have two of tried. No. It's it's been interesting to like watch you over the years. I think what's interesting is watching you have an interesting place where you keep your own you sort of keep a level of neutrality. Even though you have an opinion. So you let other people express themselves. Whether it's about a religion or vaccination, or whatever I think that it's been interesting to see like you develop that skill even more. Well, it's hard for people to express themselves as it is like live on a podcast is difficult. It's harder. Still if you don't allow them to if you interject and, you know, as well, as we all know that when someone when you have something you're trying to say when someone talks over you. It's fucking frustrating. And when you trying to formulate these words than someone butts in and then you lose it, it's hard. So that's one of the key skills of learning. How to communicate with people that I think a lot of people lose the ability to listen, you know, and also you have to have a good enough memory. So you can hold on to what you were going to say and then allow this person to elaborate on their thoughts. And then when you give them the respect in allow them to elaborate on thoughts. Hopefully, they'll return that favor, and they'll allow you to elaborate on your thoughts, and then you get a much more balanced conversation. But there's so many people talking where they're just. Talking over each other and shutting each other down or taking the conversation into a weird place. It's just. The only way to find out how someone feels about something is to let them express themselves. And if people get mad that I don't push back. It's like that's not always the best way to find out. How person feels you gotta let them let them talk. Right. I wanna know. I want to know the whole thing I want to know as far into this as you can tell me why you think this instead of me just saying, no, you're wrong. I want I want you to explain it to me. I want to know whether or not I trust your process. Do you bring that skill home with you? Yeah. I mean, you're trying to buy women trough. It's tough pro. I I I'm serious like sometimes I 'cause I even see it with my own husband. We have three daughters. But I mean, especially when you have a pretty masculine male. I'm always fascinated to watch them navigate their home when they're surrounded by winning. I just give up most of the time. I lose every argument. I think I tried to we communicate a lot. Lob talking a lot of. Set. With girls. It's always those things. They're crying about like. Okay. Okay. We're going to be fine. And you know, I don't want them to be like me. I want them to be themselves. And I want them to be girls. I want to be able to be themselves. I don't want them to MIR my resilience. I want them to be vulnerable. If they want to be vulnerable. But it's a in terms of like how I decorate the house or any. I don't have no say, oh, no nothing. You know? That's why we have, you know, have this place. I was going to say you have your your cave here Laird has a barn. Perfect. And he you know, when he meets young guys getting married. He goes here. I'm gonna teach you. Okay. You're right. Honey. I'm sorry. And yes, whatever color you choose always worked some people. It's never enough. But if you have the right relationship sometimes it worked out way because I don't give a fuck what my house looks like I really don't now. I have a good view. Where's the coffee? Yeah. Okay. Is that real work? Okay. How's the bed? That's a good bed. Do we have a TV? Whereas the TV is it a good one. That's good TV. All right. Good. Good. I have a laptop. Okay. We're good. Yeah. I don't need that much. No. You know? So like when my wife's like, I'm going to put this here. Okay. Put it. They're fantastic. I wanna get that painting. Okay. Get the painting. I don't know. I don't know why you wanna put it put it where feels right? I don't give a fuck. I think it's smart. I mean, you know, like, sometimes if I am fringe on if it's functional then layered steps in like, you know, that's not really functional otherwise he's like, I'm tearing some stuff out of my house right now. And he just gives me a look, and I'm like, I'm this age. If a wanna do this support me this laughs and walks out. He just probably doesn't care. Good. Just. Yes. It's in the way, whatever it is whatever have fun with it. Yeah. When times dinner to you know, and love to decorate things get nervous guys really into it. Well, yeah, it's a nesting trip guys like really into like the design in their own house like really really into it like constantly obsessing about where things are. Homosexuals. Yeah. I can't play out there. What do you mean is that a stereotypical thing? That is outrageous races might be. He might have showed you white supremacy. I'm not exactly sure. Yeah. It's a funny thing. Right. But if I didn't have this place, though, I don't know if I like traditionally men had pool halls they can hang out at our gyms that they hang out in and they would get their dose of Thais masculinity. Yeah. Our basement a basement you need a place where nobody's touching your stuff. Oh, yeah. Well, if you live in a house like I do with all girls to it's it's just everything's girly. Just whatever I'm fine Laird said he he's like I needed to be more specific. I said I wanted to be surrounded by women. I didn't mean be related to all. That's Larry's, you know. It's I think it's nature God's way of balancing and off. They say if guys have elevated body temperature so athletes people train a lot that they're statistically have a greater chance of having daughters. Because I think they hot we call it hot balls, basically kills off the male sperm. That's larry's. And if you look around I think, so they did a thing on a bunch of guys either in the NFL or whatever. And statistically, they just have a lot more daughters. And I think it's like nature's way of going. Oh, you're going to be all like, moving and active and Ron all this stuff. Guess what skin put a bunch of girls around for you? Say things to my husband. I could never say as a wife, you know. It's like, I see it. And I just go ho. Yeah. Well, they know that for sure he loves them. So they away with it. They're in. Yeah. They can't get fired. Now, I always say that to them like my youngest daughter when she was really little like five or six she'd say, okay. So I'm not really clear with this. When I have alone time, I'm by myself. And when you and dad need alone time together, and I try to like, well, you know, it's important for moms and dads because you know, we have to work it, I go, you know, you're you're always going to be dodge daughter. I, you know, I'm working at being a husband and wife, and then she'd keep going with it. And I would just say like, hey, do you wanna have Christmas in separate houses? And I'd see your thing for second. Like, well, maybe, you know, and I'm like we need a long time. Took it to president cues processing that. She's like, I miss you. But I don't know you. So it's all that dance you know, 'cause daughters man, they don't miss a trick. And they're on you. And they're on their dad like nobody's business, while my friends at have sons the way they say it is it's like you take one of two things either. You have this wild animal. That's tearing things apart. You have someone who is screaming and crying about something. You don't understand? Yeah. Take you pick you. Yeah. A mental destroyer or physical destroyer galls with holes and Bokan broken bones ways and girls, it's like I have learned so much being a mother two daughters, and I've been around women my whole life, you figure playing volleyball and being around tons of women. It's very different as a parent. I mean, I've learned the most especially teenagers to watching them grow. So strange. It's such a strange experience watching a person figure out the world from from jump out the womb figure out the world. It's so educational. I feel I don't think everyone should have children. I'm not one of those. Zealots tells everybody. Hey, you're not alive till you have a kid now. I think it's unfair to say that it is on its first of all a lot of people can't right? And maybe they have just the different path. Like, I was girlfriends too like it's unfair also to romanticize like to your friends who either opted not to have children or whatever met a partner to later, didn't or whatever. Because I think it is a really rich. I mean, there's nothing like it. I mean, I love my children. But if I have one friend she was like got married later. And she's like, you know, we're gonna Dopp and she's also doing a new business, and I was like listen, I need to come. I want to talk to you. And she also liked to consider taking naps occasionally. I was like if you think you're going to adopt. And like you're going to have a twelve year old. That's like, hey, I really appreciate you guys. Thank you so much I go. That's not what you know. Like if you think you're going to have a kid in. It's gonna make you happier. That's not what having a kid is. I think it makes you it's. A makes you know yourself better in a different way, and you can adapt and do something different. But I think when people sort of sell that Bill good like, you gotta have kids. It's like, well, do you want to have kids in know? I think it's like you said not for everyone. You definitely shouldn't adopt. You think it's going to be easy? That's what I mean. Like, she had romantic idea of like, and I go, you know, you don't first of all you don't know what the what's where the kid is coming from. And then also you have a romance. I think every parent going into it has a romantic idea. I did. And I'm pretty realistic person of like, I'm going to do all these things. Right. And it we're going to be, you know, running in sunflower fields together. My kids are never gonna think. My music sucks. Are I can't drive, and then you realize I had a friend. Tell me everyone gets their turn in the barrel. No matter what you do. You got you have to navigate you're going to have to deal with stuff for and on the other hand. It's awesome. When someone does adopt people to really do. They know what they're getting. Into and those martyrs out there, and those people that are just super kind and generous and love to adopt children of God bless him. Yeah. So glad they're there. Yeah. It's just I agree with you that there are some people that have a romanticize idea of what it's like to raise a child, and it's unfair to to sell it. Like, I love the mom check. Why? So when are you gonna have number two or whatever to somebody? It's like, oh, you know, that they're behind closed doors doing, you know, like they just want everyone to be in the psychotic nece with them. I have three kids you should have three kids. There are people like that. Right. Yeah. This people that have a kid and immediately take this moral high ground looks like they're doing something during a dull, and you're you're just a fool. Yeah. You're wonder who is the fool. It's I asked myself that sometimes well, don't you think you're a better person for raising kids? Do does it make you feel like you're more in tune nicer? And just more aware of what it is what it means to be a human. Yeah. I not only that I feel like. I feel like it's it's a forced exploration if you're trying to participate let give you just lay down the long ago. Hey in this house. This is how we do it. Then you're not doing anything. But I think if you you learn to adopt and also go, wow, I was doing that wrong for like ten years amazing. You know, like I one of my daughters at twelve or thirteen sort of revealed some stuff about what she was unhappy about about my parenting, and I was like God I've been doing that for a long time. So I think it's cool that she had the confidence to do that though. Yeah. It's so cool. I wanted to hear that like when she was thirty at the thanksgiving table, I'm even out. I was like what you're supposed to reveal that like after you move out. And then I go, oh, what did I do that? Sorry. Look at turn out. Great to me. What time is your flight? No. No, listen, it's a surrender. I think for me it's been a real surrender. Because I I just think I you think you're in control of stuff, and you think, oh, I've got some discipline and work ethic. I just worked my way through it or power my way through it. And then you realize like, no, you have to surrender and and also it's not just about solving it quickly. And yeah, it is. I'm I know myself, certainly better. But also it forces you if you're willing to to really expand. And it's it is uncomfortable. Well, I've I've been really fascinated by the life that you guys live in Hawaii. The it's because I've always had this like idealized I like one day like move to the big island just chilling out of a mountain stop fucking fly out to do gigs. But live out there where everything's just more relaxed. Yeah, you know, is it. Okay. You know, there's a lot going on and. The big island is obviously big city. Yeah. No on the big island has it's sort of like L A on the beach. But you know, there's a couple of things I think because it is a primal environment. Like, we live on Kauai, which is pretty heavy duty as far as. It's quiet. There's not a lot of distraction. There's a really heavy duty nature and. And so I and I grew up in in Saint Thomas on the Virgin Islands. I was used to kind of being on an island. But. You're you're with yourself a lot. So if you have things to do that are, you know productive, then it's perfect. But what you have to always calibrate is like the downtime or it. Like, it's been raining off and on for over a year on Kawai. Whoa. Yeah. So after while it'd be like Seattle in that way. Where people it starts getting heavy, but it's sunny to write it can be. And it's the weirdest thing about the islands. There's different climates on this island, the big island has desert. Yes, it has tropical rainforest is a volcano is all this in every I think it has every weather climate except Arctic. I believe at least Maui and the big island have sort of every type of climate. It's crazy that just a little bit further down. It'll be different be raining constantly. Yeah. Exactly. Or you just go the other side, and it's completely dry or they have. Dwarf trees because they never see the sun. But then they're, you know, two hundred feet in the places that it's sunny, it's it's very trippy, and you could drive around the whole thing. And like how many hours is take you to drive around the big island. Oh, the big island. I don't know like four hours or something a whole thing. I think so that'd be a little more. Yeah. You like the big island glove it interesting, alike, Maui. You do those favorite every islands different. They're all their personalities are different. But I like it. I mean, we've been doing this for over twenty three years when I met Laird he was big waves sort of come in winter. So when low pressures bring snow like to the rest of the mainland that low pressure can also bring big waves. And then my season was summer. So we sort of went back and forth. And that's a really good blend because you you can come to California. And be like, oh, it's a busy world. I can see a lot of people. I can learn stuff I can do stuff. And then I also makes you appreciate when you go back to Hawaii. You're like clean air, really clean water. Very beautiful place. Some of the ways the ideas about the way they live there. It's it's simple in a good way. I don't mean that in any way like a derogatory it's like they're not trying to they're not angling and trying to get somewhere. It's I know we're living, right? But it can be also a really hard place, really hard place. Also. Well, I think you, and you're also talking about a warrior culture, right Polynesians. So you have like this this very intense love and when they talk about the Aloha spirit generosity. They like this. And then they're very powerful people as well. And sometimes if they're not living as their in their most natural way that they were supposed to and then you couple it with you know, there's not a ton of opportunities there. It's hard to live there. It's far away it's expensive. And sometimes, you know, it sounds cliche. But. It's like we really do as human organisms either need to be busy. So like, okay. Working from sunup to sundown for our food, which is how it used to be. And then you're just so tired. You just go to bed, and it's pretty simple until let you survive it or in the world that we live in. Now. It's like how do we get people doing things that are kind of productive? And you think oh, I just would sit on the beach and look at the mountain, and it's like an after a while you get bored. And if you're a warrior, you're either gonna go do something with that. That is good for you. Or you might not. So I think there's there's a lot a lot of that. They're I've learned a lot from that culture. But I mean, they're pretty powerful their powerful group, and you know, it can go the other way pretty quick where it's you know, if there's drugs and alcohol or beefing, and like, it's all that. So it's that was really disturbing found out how much. Drug abuse. There is on some of the island. Yeah. Crystal meth, especially sad. Well, it's it's again it goes back to board. And like think about when your kids have to stay home for one day. You know, it's just and now we have all these the internet and all the stuff. So now, you think oh the rest of the world has a perfect. They're all busy and doing fabulous perfect things. And and it's hard to find people that you're like, let's do something. Let's go. I mean, can you train alone every single time now? So you'd have to have a tribe of people that are like, let's go do this activity, and sometimes they don't it's not that easy. So there's there's you say there's seventy thousand people on the island uncle, I quite probably the least inhabited it's the oldest island. So it has the most arose in largest beaches. And that's where I grew up. And it's it's a really nice the least inhabited on the islands, isn't it? Well, yeah, it's not that. I don't count it. Yeah. I mean the. Bigger island Molokai, man. You wouldn't you don't you don't mess with multi? No, no. That's like that's like, you you you gotta ask permission to go. Hang out over there. Really kinda. Yeah. It's cool though. Because it's like if you know, they'd be like, no, you got to you can't you're out. You gotta go really totally. So is a great is. It's just the people that live there. You can't like move Tamala. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, I better has a place, I'm all KAI z. Yep. And has had for many many years. But I think he probably asked if that was going to be cool. Oh, wow. Interesting. Yeah. It's it's beautiful. Do you have some friends that just went hunting there? Yeah. Beautiful hundred access to here. Yeah. A multi. Yeah. It's a beautiful place in the people are amazing. But you you it's not like, oh, I'm just going to buy a house there. Build a house. There's no way no way. No way. Wow. That's interesting all these different islands of their own like rules, while ni Hao is you can't even you can't go there. You're not even allowed to go. Now, I didn't even know that was an island. Yeah. It's off of course, Eddie and Neo Neo. Yeah. It's give her that. Jamie's big fan of the he looks like he's knee. How? No, it's all like that. They probably have, you know, the largest percentage of pure of Hawaiians there. Cool. I mean, pretty good. It's got to be a great like I've found that. Like, there's a big difference between the the culture of say Maui versus the culture of the ni- lanai is more island d to me, whereas Maui seems like a little bit gentrified also the wind because it Maui. So windy it brought all the Europeans in the eighties to windsurf. So you're also have not only mainland US. And then Japanese culture, you know, eighties ninety talking about Europeans from wind and windsurfing. So it has a lot going on. I think Maui. It was almost like a surprise. How quick it developed, and they never had a chance to get on top of it. That makes sense. So it does make sense. Yeah. It's so populated. Also. So so LA it's so Beverly Hills. I lived there for thirteen years Juilliard. Yeah. There was a wave there that Laird was having a love affair with for many years. So we live there with you know, so he could be close to girlfriend straight edge. It didn't know every boy needs his girlfriend needs a wave. They do. Well, you know, just something. That's what I always think is kind of natural is at least for my experience is like I don't know if you've ever go through this. When you go home, I'll lay it'll go out and sir for many hours like he off for five hours at a time. And if they're surf, and he comes home, and I see how happy he is like to see us like he loves us. He's like, oh, my girls, you know? And then about I don't know seven and a half eight minutes in he starts to get this look on his face. Like, oh, yeah. I'm in the house like family. You know, I wanted to do a book years ago called death by domestication because it's like how how? How does he manage both of those sides like I need to go. I need to be free. I need to chase things and like scare myself and do all the stuff, and then, you know, comes home, and it's like, you know, on the floor laying with one of my daughters, and and being attentive and a great husband and all these things, but I always get amused. A little bit by the push poll. Well, especially I think with the big wave surfer mindset McCoy the type of person those are some of the freest wildest humans on the planet. It's a very unusual group of people that rides giant waves of water on the top of the ocean. I mean, that's a that's a crazy thing today to hear your time to really stop and think about it. I tried not to think too much about it because I did marry him. But I there's some stuff. I mean, an and we're Lee, you know, he's been doing this so long that you realize hit he's actually even more different than some of the other guys because if you think. About it. He sustained doing this for right now forty years. So he's a guy who. He has both. So what he wants to do is write a huge wave during the day and then be with his family at night. And sometimes, you know, take going, you know, halfway around the globe or whatever. And so I think the pursuit and they have to wait a lot. That's the other thing these things don't come around that often. It's it's very interesting to live with because there's a there's a little bit of suffering that goes on. And sometimes layer it will say to me because he's aware of time going by he'll be like, you know, I have a lot more waves. I need to ride and I'm like, I know like it's a pretty deep calling. And now that I mean, he's been foiling for twenty five years. But now that they are getting that equipment better. It's sort of like now we can ride places that we couldn't ride that were not really attractive for riding on top of the surface of the water. Even if you towed it. So now, it's opened up a whole other pursuit for him. Yeah. It's very why you would go towards that. Like, Larry just put me on a ski in front of a way, that's like sixty feet, right? And like being on the back of a ski with him driving. There's a moment where you go. Okay. I actually, and I'm sure you've experienced this with other friends at take you maybe on a flying or something. He is. This is what he does. Right. So I'm like, okay. I trust him more than I'm afraid. That's fine. I can do that. And I'm gonna surrender to that. I'm not going to torture myself the whole time, I'm just gonna trust him and you turn. And there's a six story building behind you moving. And you just think who would who like how's that fun? Like how is being like? I'm going to go back to Lee. Ride that. But now what the foils because they're actually catching the energy below the surface of the water. So foil from these things called hydrofoils. So originally, there's a guy named Mike Murphy who create something called the air chair. And they they've been putting foils on like water skis and different funky ways. Like even in the fifties. So Laird nece friends got an air tear cut the chair off and put us snowboard boots bindings quick release. So you stand on it. Your boot it in and below is this basically a mini airplane with a strut? So for example. Yeah, there's a shot of one. And this is a smaller one, Jamie. Do you have any one of the big with the boots? I think this is what people are used. I'm never is. Do you know what about this? Wow. He knows about everything. What are you talking about? He's plugged in them. Differ girlfriend. Well, what happened to this head? Yeah. So there's layered on the left, obviously. So you see how they're in the boots. And also, he the reason he looked so puffy as he has flotation underneath his wet suit. So if you hit your head or what have you, but it's basically a miniature airplane underneath the surface. And if he gets into trouble if they wiped out they have a quick release. But now they've gotten this developed so that he can do it. Without the boots because that adds an element of danger that because you're strapped in your strapped in and your strut is, you know. Four feet long. You know, it's so strange looking. Yeah. But it what's going on below the surface. So there's a miniature airplane. Do you have Jamie? Do you have any pictures of slipped up? I'm sure if you look on Lert stuff, you can see the bottom it's like a miniature airplane because water is denser than air. So it's sort of like a m- a miniature plane, and it is like the oracle guys that do those boats do have made foils for layered. It's so that's what it looks. So those are kind of more low performance ones when you see the high-performance they I mean, you know, dynamics hydrodynamics it's all of that. So now what you're doing is. 'cause there's energy below the surface moving. So we think of a wave like pushing and dropping, but there's actually the energy circular energy below. So now, you've got the foil that can ride that. But you're not you don't have drag. So like they can go there's a wave on Kauai where they're going over fifty. Go about fifty. They can go up get up to fifty two miles an hour. So imagine if you did something we'll you've dedicated yourself to martial arts. It's like, but then there's like a new way to do it. And so he's been doing the big stuff for twenty five years. But now, they're using the equipment, right? That he can ride ways that actually wouldn't be that great. But now, they're super fun. Oh, wow. So he gets it makes them excited, and he's still pursues it on. That's that's on Koa right there and see how it's not even breaking where he rides it. So ignore drag correct. And it's it's actually writing the energy below the surface which. For him. He's just interested in what's the most efficient way. I mean, look at that you'd never entered in- regular surfing be able to ride that. So it enables them so much fun. You're flying. That's what they think. Rentable? It's the difference. Right. So they're flying. So that's I think keep kept him interested. But. You know, his his pursuit of this is it's pretty. Pretty it's a pretty interesting relationship to watch. I think it's important. I mean as a female for me, I think playing volleyball helped me understand like having a pursuit, you know, like something like you. I gotta go do that. And I think it's something about living with a person who has a pursuit other than like, I need a bigger war chest, or whatever that's can be really cool is when when you're riding that thing and there's a little airplane under the waters any risk of something thinking that airplane is a fish. No animals are pretty smart. Yeah. I think I mean, I know sharks. Don't have great vision. And I think Laird is, you know, hit a home, a turtle, you know, not anything like grazed it or something, but those animals are pretty smart web-hosting sharks. No. That's what I mean. Like, maybe a Marlin. But thinks it's fish. Yes, check it. I don't think they want to have anything to do with that thing just the speed and the shape and also a lot of those animals don't wanna get in that turbulent. It's still near a wave. But you know, what maybe? You never know. And if I hear a story, I will definitely call too because I'll be like a Marlin came out. But those guys are smart all those animals Marlins or smart. Well, I mean, they usually I know sharks. Again, don't have great site. But they're not like, I think they understand what's most times what's food, obviously, shiny things and things like that. But but there are instances of people getting hit by sharks? Right. And Hawaii is a big one, isn't it? Is it worse as far as like more and South Africa's really a lot of sharks? No Hawaii has their share. But. Nothing crazy. I there's a story that happened like three weeks ago and quiet and hanalei sky. Great surfer finishes ri- jumps off his board and jumped onto a shark. Oh, Jesus Christ and the shark like turned, I guess, and sort of he was a firefighter the sky and like grazed his leg and split. And I think it's just a reminder that sharks. Ultimately, really don't want to have anything to do with you. I mean, maybe hammer heads maybe a little more aggressive bull shark is the most because I think right. They have the most amount of testosterone many animal. They're the ones that can go to freshwater to. Yeah. The bulls. So they're sort of more actively aggressive, but I mean, I don't think shark you're not good eating. I watched the television show, they took they've found bull sharks way up to Illinois river. That'd be scary. Whatever river it is in Illinois on what river does. But they found him deepen freshwater. Yeah. These sharks make their way all the way from the ocean. And jamie. Anything about the testosterone? I think any animal they have the largest amount of testosterone or something like that. They're mean little fuckers. They're responsible for that. The actual news incident that influenced the creation of the movie jaws. Oh, really? Yeah. It happened in the river in New Jersey in jersey. Imagine a river like a freshwater river. These people are getting murdered by sharks? Like, yeah. Yeah. No that. Yeah. That's what it was based on the they didn't know that these fuckers can swim way up into freshwater. And they just got a hold of people got a hold of few because those buggers are a little more aggressive. Yeah. There's supposed to be the most aggressive, right? Yeah. But I think you know, for me with the sharks like even jaws impacted me without soundtrack. I now I was living in the Caribbean. And it's just like, I don't know my kids whenever my daughter's like, oh, can I get this movie on sharks on my? No because we live in Hawaii can't be watching that stuff. Yeah. Chuck testosterone myth busted L. It is. Scientific american. Yeah. It's not real, no. Sound good though? It did didn't it. Yeah. Much more likely on the bull shark. Yeah. But a tiger shark would sound even meaner. Uh-huh. Oh, wow. Bulls are meaner than tires. Yeah. They say Bullen hammer more aggressive then tiger. Oh, yeah. Laird, and my daughter reached just went do, you know, Mike Muller at all photographer sheets sharks. A know who he is. Okay. He's he does amazing stuff, but they go and they dive. So he took a recent layered and went for like four days, and they go in the cage with the great whites out at the Galapagos. And they said it's pretty far out. You should do that sometime. Fuck that come on. With us shark gets mad fucks up the cage, but people probably doing stupid things. Maybe no seriously. No, I just he'll do things. Like, we're guys hit each other in the head. But you won't sit in a cage. Let seems normal to me they say that once you see him under that you have a different feeling. They'll like you're not it's not that. You're not as scared, but you. You just see them a little differently. Not just like a predator as you can see the people there. I in everything did you hear that Canada has they're banning wail and dolphin captivity. I think it's great. I think is great to apparently just passed. I mean, how about Blackfish one documentary and it like kind of I think initiated a movement. Oh, for sure people didn't know they needed to to see it in a digestible form instead of having to go seek it out and read articles about it and news reports instead of that they get to see it there. It is in a very digestible form you go. Oh my God. This is chaos. This is horrible. This is an atrocity you're taking these incredible animals that are probably some of the most magnificent creatures that evolution has ever created. And you're putting them in a fish tank. You're putting him in a swimming pool. Yeah. There's their fins goal. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, and actually if you think about the killer whale, I mean, that's the king disa- crazy video that I. I just watched yesterday of one killing a beach seal it injured the seal and the seal tried to make it over into in it, literally beached itself smash this seal in those just blood everywhere and these bunch of people standing around watching it going. Holy shit. Yeah. And then it flopped. It's way back into the water. And swam off it. Did it eat it? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's what I I mean. Listen, that's the thing about nature. Right. It's it's it's kind of brutal. But it's not personal like, the the the, you know, the whales not like, you know, that's seal. Gimme kind of a funny. Look, I'm gonna go and give it to him. It's like, oh, there's some food. Did you ever see the one when they're on the iceberg? And they look oh that bugger still holding on to push it again. I mean, it was a mother teaching. It's Cavs at one hunt too that she was setting it up like showing look, you can make them slide like watch this slide. Well, I was listening to my friend, Steve Renault's podcast, and he was talking about the difference in the orcas in Puget Sound and that their local orcas, which are essentially. Salmon specialists, and they don't eat animals. They don't eat marine mammals. But then there other ones that travel into the area and their marine mammal specialists. So they all they eat is like seals, and and and things along those lines, and they have a totally different language. Totally don't understand each other. They don't interact with each other. And is that every pod has its own language. Trays? They put a a whale in captivity once, and it was ninety eating because they didn't know it was a seal eating whale not a fish eating whale. And so learn used to joke, can you imagine like, okay, Susie and Billy. We're going to go watch the, you know, the orca Shamu and then the trainers. They're like throwing it seal like that would not work out. Well, like Yay. Trick again, give it a slab of cute little animal. Yeah. Now, so they're very complex. Yeah. Well, it's it if it didn't exist. It will be way more interesting than big foot. Did you everybody's like so into Bigfoot being real big? Then you talk to me about that. Like, I do you think what what is what's the concept of Bigfoot? I mean, I know it's a big Harry guy. But yeah, I mean, really come on. What is it most likely there was interaction between human beings and something called the gigantic ethics for thousands and thousands of years. It's a giant bipedal hominids that existed in Asia that was between eight and ten feet tall. It was real. And it was basically in like, the Aranka tank family looks almost rang untangling, but enormous, and that was a real thing. Okay. And they didn't find out about this until the nineteen twenties. They found a tooth an apothecary shop in China. And an anthropologist examiners tooth was like where the fuck did you get this and they took him to the site, and they dug up more things and bones jawbones and they determined from the job on. I'm sorry, if I'm fucking this up scientists, but they determined from the jawbone that they. Think it was bipedal that it stood up onto legs. And so then they said, well, how big with this thing be and then in the proportionate fielder. John are you ever seen? What one a real one looks like? Yeah. I just sometimes I when they say like oh up in Michigan. I'm like is it really like what are they saying bullshit? Most of is people seeing shadows. And the trees they wanna believe it's Bigfoot and they're seeing bears walking onto legs. But if there was a thing, what's really interesting is that's where it would be because if it did come across the lowering the the Bering land bridge, like they believe humans did if that did happen, the many animals in Davidge from there to here that way, that's where Alaska Pacific northwest that would be the natural path. And then if you think about how densely wooded that area is that would be a natural habitat for something that's hiding from people. The problem is can't hide from shit anymore. It's just things are they t from space. Something would catch you on a trail. Camera. Some there's trail cameras everywhere. Therefore, like, did you see those these guy and his father got caught poaching? A mother bear in her den. It's you. It's horrific. It's horrible. And it's not just horrible because the they poached this mother bear in their den and left the baby's essentially to die. But they were talking about how they're not gonna get caught doing it. Like, no, no one's going to tie us to this. And the way they were caught. There was a four k camera that was right behind them. That was the was observing this this whole area where this does bear was Dende in. They have these trail cameras now they're incredibly accurate there. So like, it's so high definition super clear and the audios clear they catch one of those things there was something outright. But I think there's something to be said for the tooth fairy. And. Thinking we don't know everything like fun, the magic of stuff unknown and behind. I I mean for me, it doesn't have to be Bigfoot. But I I love I love the idea that we haven't seen everything we don't know everything. Then obviously, we know that was space, and who knows you know, when dimensions and time and universe, but something mythical is pretty fun. Well, what's interesting is that there was a bunch of different kinds of humans. That's what's interesting, and they found these bones in Russia that I think they call them the Dennis O VN's. They found a set cook. This is within the last ten fifteen years, they found a completely different species of humans that lived in Russia. They found those little people on the island of Florez that was only like ten years ago. I mean, there's there's probably dozens more that they just haven't uncovered somewhere. So if there was at one point time, some big giant hominids, it's totally possible. Yes. Don't think he would have to eat so much to me live ten to eight. Yeah. Constantly. It's like a bear. But you find bear shit everywhere. Where's the where's the guerilla shit? The the big foot shit. Right. Never. It is. It's need is it eating plants is eating animals with the fuck is it eating, right? Can eat a lot a lot. That's big family of six something husband at home. And he eats a lot a lot about all surfing all day that do put it down. He can put it down. You know? You know? Preposterous foods. Now, do you eat big each meal, or do you sort of go, okay dinner, and today, what what you're just white? How you feel feeling? Yeah. It depends like sometimes I've giant de meals for dinner. But sometimes I worked too hard at night. I'll have a giant breakfast right fi. I just do whatever I feel like doing, but I definitely always have intermittent fasting as Lilly. Six days a week, sixteen hours off one day. I don't give a fuck. It's amazing. How much food we don't really need. Yeah. It is amazing. I used to eat way too much way too much protein and stuff when I was. Playing and going through different phases of training. Now. Do you go into like Tofte G and do all that to? No, okay. No, one explained that the people. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's just one sort of step a bigger Elissa deeper step when you when you do a little bit intermit- minute fasting is if you don't start the digestive process. So if you just had you can have water and caffeine. You can't have fats and things like that. The theory is is that whatever cell, you know, dysfunction. You have you kind of can rinse out kind of three times the amount the process of when you do intermittent fasting. So it can be a really effective way. When you're in a minute fasting to say, okay, I'm going to pick this four hour window for most people probably be between three and seven or two and six and I'm going to eat and then the rest of the time, I'm not going to. So it's it's very close. It's just sort of one more twist. They can put on it. I think it's like AT. Oh, PEO you know. So that's a twenty hour fasted window every day. And I have a friend who is doing it pretty regularly. And he he looked different. Really? Yeah way. Yeah. No. He did he shifted his body composition a little bit. And it was interesting. And there's some interesting data. I'm sure Jamie can give you the download on it. Yeah. Tafa g it's just sort of like one notch higher. It's not fun. But I, you know, like for me, it would have to be kind of I would want to eat between one and five I could do without it the rest of the time and you can have like I said caffeine in water. It's incredible would Opole mouth pleasure house. Like my kids bought these intimate cupcakes there, then Simmons that's like old school old school, but they are bullshit these cupcakes those chocolate frosting dealings with the white on the little white squiggly. And the inside is a cream filled. Goddamn was. Delicious. But while I was eating, and I was like what the fuck are you eating, man. This is all nonsense. You should you be touching this now? But you can't do that. I think once you 'cause we pretty strict lords of a little more strict than I am. I think if you're going to eat that cupcake you enjoy it. Yeah. I think even having that small conversation with yourself as a colossal waste of time as you shove it in your mouth, and it goes down. It's like because that's so human, right? Like, it's like, I shouldn't be doing this. But here I go. You know, why am I doing why? I shouldn't you know. It's like, I think it's important to do it and enjoy it. But yeah, that's not food. That's like, I don't know what that is. The thing can live for eight hundred years as we had eaten and I was full. But that looks so good like if someone had cut a piece of steak and put it in front of me. I'm bill. I'm good stuff. I'm stuff. But I saw that cupcake goes. That would kids like I can't even anymore. What's for dessert? I have a separate space for that. That that doesn't change because I still have a separate space. It's just, you know, try not to use it so much. Well, they say that for people that are in like competitive eating competitions too. You can still eat fries because fries you don't like fries. I just had the vision of the guy shoveling it in the water, and then the blind and the hot dog, and then you know, squeezing it down. Yeah. Yes. You can eat fries because what it's not protein. No. It's a it's saltiness and the the carbs you could still eat. You can always eat. Carve y'all get you ate a steak? Right. And that's steak was a big eighteen outs. Rebuy ate the whole thing. Like oh. But then you see those fries all those fries and diplomats catch-up hall there. You could keep eating you can eat another thousand cowardice when you're in that you'd like trance those food trance food trances. Yeah. I mean, you have people I have friends that like, you know, if you have any thing out on the counter that snack like you have it for the. Kids and your friends that come to visit and say, hi, and they're kind of fidgety and all of a sudden, we're just like eating everything in this look like grow like, you're in a constant food like trance, knack it like don't have snacky, you know, anything around themselves. No cannot. Yeah. For sure. No, I, but I find it easier. I don't know if you've found it easier like I had to have a really heavy chocolate trip. Heavy like I used to have a chocolate drawer like the whole thing. Like, no real like every kind of chocolate like at opening, and it wasn't like a thin drawer. Wasn't like a silverware withdraw. It was like a deep drawer every time chocolate. And I I mean Schrafft's yet bus out the chocolate, you know, whatever right before your time chocolate kid walks in the room. They changed something you're like chocolate. So I had every kind of work it does. But then I stopped eating it as much and now it's like, I don't even really want it as as much weird really love dark chocolate with peanut butter. Oh, yeah. Dark chocolate. Jiffy some Skippy some bullshit peanut butter, crunchy stuff too. So yeah. Because the healthy stuff somehow the oil and the stuff is, but you need that summit has like those unknown chemicals to make it really smooth like this natural peanut butter. This isn't good. It's not smooth look at that. You have to natural peanut butter. You gotta get that fucking butter knife in they're trying to make Stanley school lunch. Rip a hole in the bread your life to knowing. Yeah. Now, forget it. It's either to dry to oily. It doesn't work. It's never perfect. You can't make a sandwich with it. There's he did a stir for you got to commit to a five minutes stir before you ever even think about putting that shit on your bread. Absolutely. Hey, so you know, I was thinking I wanted to invite. You you bring whoever you want to come poultry with us with pool training. What do you guys do? Jamie. Can you pull up like a pool training or expertise pulled training? X P T was a Sam for this is a 'nother thing that we do. But this this is like a twelve year old former training, we built this pool and Laird, you know, always trying to you know, athletes in their off season and. We were like his cry like six of our friends, we built this huge pool. And they're like, okay. Take some dumbbells and go down. There's Kyle Kingsbury your big boy anywhere says t's little suit the little to do. And anyway. This is all the shallow stuff. But there's deep water that girl didn't get going. They have dumbbells in their crotches. Kyle. This is when he was a little bigger still. Yeah. Do we have what is the the idea? Okay. So there's deep water like your thirteen feet. You have you have weights ballistic. Ballistic training. No, no punishment to your joints, interesting doing cleans in the ocean. Or in the pool, brother? Yeah. I this is all shallow. There's some deep water stuff. And I'm not sure why that guy is doing a little. You drop the Dumbo all the way down to the bottom. And so you have drag and stuff like that. And also it's lighter in the water and heavier out. But this is not the stuff. I mean, this is all good at increases your lung capacity and things like that. But there is a deep water element where so you can be ballistic, and you can do all the stuff, and you don't pound your joints, and you can get stronger. So we we have a lot of athletes come in train. So that they can sort of work on some of these elements of there being more dynamic or what have you your compression? It's it's pretty cool, and we couple it. So I know you like to do heat and stuff. So we'll do like heat. Nice. And then pool and hate nice pool and things like that. It's it's pretty great and you're tired, but you're not beat up. George saint-pierre. Actually did a lot of that in training for his last fight. Did a lot of his work in the pool. Here's the deeper stuff. I see so you can like and what's cool about this too. Is. Is that you have to moderate your breath because it's very straightforward air. No air air nowhere and people just listening to this. We're looking at these guys it's probably like a nine foot pool they have dumbbells in their hands. They drop all the way down to the bottom, and then let their knees Goto full full bend and then with their but to their heels and then jump right back up and pop out of the water, get a deep breath and then go right back down again. So you're constantly leaping through the water to go to the surface of the skin ripples. So I actually think it's really attractive when you're a girl to just want to tell you. It's crazy is that think about this? I actually think so you're in compression. So you've got those benefits. Right. And I think you're tissue like, your fashion. Everything gets kinda rolled almost in every every set with that ripple. Don't think sound and that they're more shallow. And then there's there's. Deeper and things like that. But there's probably about thirty five exercises that we've come up with Laird made us all his Crash Test Dummies, but it it will economists you feel like a million bucks. But you can kind of you can bust your butt on it. Right. But you don't you're not getting the pounding. Well, that's it. I already have a fake knee. Do you? Really? Yeah. When you blow it out. Well, it was an ongoing. She's my twenties. And then finally at forty six I got it replaced. Wow. What is the difference now? Yeah. So much better. I was yeah. I used to like sleep with my good leg underneath my knee trying to open my knee joint because it felt like metal on like hot metal touching. And then your foot gets heavy. You know, if you lose a lot of your your function. I tried everything, you know, like stem cell NPR paean like you try everything 'cause you don't want to be getting a fake me. And then after I was like, I'm sure they'll be something better in ten years. But right now, let's just do it. Does we went in the same day? We actually got his hip done the same day. And I got my knee done. How did layered injuries? Hip. Repetitive. Trauma? I mean, you know Laird is now fifty five he was fifty two and he got his hip, and he's he's tough on his body. I mean, he's tough on his body. And then if you're like doing isometric loading when the foiling that one hips taking a hit, it's the back leg, it's you know, it's a lot lot of load. It's amazing though that he's gotten back to surfing the same level. It's. He's he's very unique. You know, he he says that everything he does like his relationships. What he reads what he eats? What he spends time doing is all to enhance him to perform and his, you know, a ton of people like this his ability to deal with this comfort. He has a very good relationship with discomfort. So his training and stuff. It's, you know, his those guys wind up injuring themselves because the mental toughness, but he's really smart. He's not. Well, you're not his agent foolhardy. He's not like let me show what I can do. He's a guy who can call it. He's a guy go. Yeah. No. It's not a good idea. So when they do the hip they have to put that raw through the center of the hip and then put the new joint on the outside. It's all I mean, he walked he stayed awake. They did a local and he left the hospital three o'clock that day. Wow. It's carpentry whack job. Doc, huge, not fine surgery. It's like carpentry, and he stayed away because the guys like, okay, you can you can handle it. You know, the noise or whatever. Yeah. He. Same time. And then he was gone out out of the hospital. Wow. How long did it take to rehabilitate? Not long. I mean, he was once the incision closed. He could go out in the water. What's that ten days? Hips are pretty cool. That's crazy that they can do that. Now, I had a buddy who did that Graham Hancock? He did that six weeks later. It was here. And he told me after we he was walking around saying. Hainan was a hip replacement go when he was six weeks ago. The fuck are you talking about you're walking? You just don't wanna play golf you walk out of the hospital over thing. While let's say if you were loading your hip that you load into you might want to not do that right away. It sounds weird. But that makes sense. Yeah. Put on weird torque on it. Yeah. I know guys who've gotten back to ju jitsu bad hips back to rolling and training. It's I you know, what they basically tell you is you don't wanna do anything. You wouldn't want to do with your real joint like the guys like so few ever got into car accident? You wouldn't want your knees to go back into your hip. It's like, okay. Well, I don't think I'd want that to happen with my natural hip. So I think they're pretty good. Is it? Significantly weaker. No, not at all not at all. So you can do basically everything he can do everything that's crazy, and he had a pretty wicked limp. The two of us were limping around for like two years. It was really cool people. Like, hey, you guys are those like athletes, right? The couple and we're like hobbling around. Stay right there. We'll be right there. It was just like brutal. Our kids are like what are you going to do like, I'm just going to run away? You know? No way. Stop it right there. You know, what can you do now with your knee? Can you do all the things that used to be able to do can you? It'd be a bummer for jujitsu guys 'cause kneeling is kind of not the best said, I'll give me a million bucks cash right now, Childs pose. That's tough. Really? Yeah. That's tough. What part hurts? I think for me it's also part of my bio mechanics that the tissue on my my quads is like probably like beef jerky from jumping all those years. So that's always working on. So maybe a more flexible person going in would have more mobility in that bent position. But it just you know, you get a hard finish on it on the joint. But I think it's pretty amazing. What you can do like it's pretty far out you sidestep and stuff like that. I can play volleyball. I wanted to jump in land and be hard on it and do pliers and stuff. Yeah. So they basically say just do stuff that you would do normally with your knee. Yeah. I mean, yes, be be intelligent like, you probably wouldn't wanna go home an ultra marathoner now because you might where your join out like two years, right? But I think if you said I really like to run, but I'll go on the grass or the sand barefoot probably better stuff like that. But that's what you wanna do again. Anyway, you know, running pretty tough on you. Yeah. And it's not just tough on your knees. It's tough on your bag stuff and everything he went on a hard surface year bodyweight, right? Like each step. I mean, unless you're built like when you see those people that are built to run. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. So that was that was sort of. I think that's what's interesting about being we people Allman athlete, and and then it's like and some days. I I don't I'm sure you feel this way. It's like I feel so anaphylactic or so. Banged up or you know, like I have friends that came into training late and everything all their joints are like all perfect. And you know, they work perfectly in sometimes I I've I've felt a little bit beat up layered been beat up a lot. But he he kind of trains his way out of it big time. Now when you guys are on Kawai is there a lot of resources in terms of places to train or physical, therapists or any of that kind of stuff. Now, I think the other islands go all who in Maui. They would certainly have it. I was I actually this group that owns us business there. Let me use a warehouse, and I taught a class three days a week for free a dollar. So they were covered under my insurance because we have so little training. Like, we have we have we have a gym and stuff, but like the community on the north. Then really? So I started doing that like three days a week to get people. There's like one hundred of us the frame time. We'll. Well, it was it was really cool. But but because they don't have stuff to they don't have really great facilities. What a weird place a live is it kinda bad ass. But don't you think like when I go to New York City with Laird he looks there, and he looks at the buildings and he's like why do people do this to themselves? Like we've gotten twisted around like, you're coli what a weird place to live. But in a way, it's probably closer to how we're mentally live for sure, you know, stacked up on top of each other. But having said that. Yeah. Compared to other parts of the world. I mean, it's remote like you're out there. It's I think besides Easter Island. It's like the most remote place in the world. Wow. Yeah. Really? That's interesting. But makes sense. Yeah. It's far. I mean, you know, they navigated there. And they said that the water sea level was lower. So that they could see more land when the Polynesian sailed there. But it's pretty it's a pretty interesting contrast that living like in Malibu, let's say, but then in a way not because you're surrounded by nature. Right. Yeah. I think it's probably a far more healthy way to live. I just I just know that a lot of people do get that island fever, and now they can't take it. And they wanna get the fuck off. Yeah. And like when you have a family like when my kids were young, it's like, you're doing the same thing, you're taking them places, you're making dinners, you're making lunches, so in a way, you're just doing sort of everyday things in a really pretty place. And also, you probably live a little simpler. It's gotta be better for you. In terms of like, the amount of stress that you experience in the beauty of nature's very calming and soothing and probably therapeutic and beneficial. Yeah. But it's that reminder. I mean, this has been thing for me. It's like you can have all that at your access. But if you're not if you haven't dealt with yourself or you're not if you're feel miserable. It's hurt. It doesn't really matter. And I think that that kind of place pointed out really quick where when you live in a busy place, you can distract yourself from yourself, and you can be like, oh, there's traffic and I have stuff to do. And I'm busy. I'm busy person. I met an office. I'd all the stuff. And when you're there, you can't blame really the traffic. You can you sort of have to go. Oh, that's right. So it's an interesting thing of when we talk about like health or or beautiful places and things like that. It's still always comes back to yourself. And like am I have I made myself happy? Am I doing things that make me feel good things like that? So I think what's really great about that places that gets clear real quick. Do you guys have real internet out there totally legit in? I mean, we had dial up till about eighteen months ago for real, no. But I mean, do you have high speed or news anchor like five geeing it or whatever they've got that blanket over us there? But is it the mind control five Jeanette or everybody's worried about that. I know the latest freaking out about it five G. Well, we did really about they do have the ability. It does have an effect on human brains. That's what I mean. It's pretty pretty good. We're going to do ourselves in one day with innovation. We're gonna keep going up -solutely till one day. We've well fucked ourselves sideways, that's the way that it. It goes. Right. Like, you get so smart that you devolve check the I was a kid. We had a mad magazine. And I'll never forget it. I was like eleven years old. And there was a sketch of this explosion in space, and it was like two aliens talking, and they were looking at this explosion, you know, millions of miles away, and they go, oh, they said smart beings lived there. You know, pretty much. I mean, I think in a way we're we're probably I mean. We do a lot with water and air and things like that. But it is interesting to see I'm always fascinated that people will do stuff for money like what I like guys running companies, and they go. Well, it's okay about the pollution or the by product, and you go. Yeah. But your kids or your grandkids are going to like money's not going to protect you from if the climate goes bizarre, but they feel like someone else can fix that. Do you get this money? You think that money? Yeah. I think it's just compartmentalization. They just don't don't think about the also they're part of corporation and everybody just says their task. But it does often like she go like, you know, we say the rainfalls on everyone's house like it's coming for everything. No matter how much cheese you have. Well, it's also the fact that we've had on it has been over this window of one hundred years long and effect. I mean, unbelievably massive effect on the environment. And just a short window of time. Turns of you know, when you I'm sure you saw Jiro dreams of sushi. Great, right. When they're sitting around talking about the fish markets back in the day. We'd get so much more tuna like like one day fished out this is one year alive, man. So when this guy's in during his lifetime and went from pundits of tuna to being almost fished out. Yeah. And they're not slowing down sushi's everywhere. It's like, I know what we. In thirty years is pretty far out. Crazy. It's crazy. I know it's an I it's funny because my kids I don't know if you see this with your kids, it's like, I think they're pretty aware of it. And they. I think that they go flip and flop between feeling like the adults are poorly behaved, and they're left of the pile of you know, of are a bad decisions. And also like my one daughter's like is do you think it'd be okay to be like a militant environmentalists, you know, she's like six feet tall. And I'm like that'd be fantastic. See shepherd on steroids. Like, you know. So I think it's going to be interesting to see, you know, what the next group because they're obviously really different like, they don't want big giant houses, and all that stuff that you know, sort of my generation and your generation thought so using the new generations different in their values. And what do they say that they give more? They volunteer more. I think the tricky thing for them is going to be connection and being able to be connected and being able to have a real conversation, and you know, even be able to concentrate long enough to to be with somebody because of devices. Yeah, I mean, I think it's could you imagine right now if you were twenty no and being like dating and swiping and trying to pay attention or even ten, you know, my daughter is one of the few girls in her closet. Doesn't have a Selfo. What's the age? Do they get them? Like, they're they've had them. We're like seven. No. I mean. Your kids like what's the rule in your house? There's a debate right now. Let's figure it out. Well, okay. So you have a ten year old going to be eleven. Yeah. I think that they say there's a movement. Wait till eighth. Yeah. You heard that like ten kids in the class, all the parents agree. So they're not the only person in the class that doesn't have it. But it's not the way with my daughter's kids the kids in her class. Most of them have phones. Most parents just give the kid a phone. Yeah. It's just there's a have you read any Jonathan hates stuff coddling in the American. Yeah. Of course, and that that is just so disturbing when you see the amount of especially young girls that are growing up depressed cutting themselves so harm. What's it? Like four hundred percent. He said like from ten to fourteen or something crazy like something insane. Massive spike, the directly coincides with the invention of smartphones and social media. Yeah. The slot machine. Yeah. It's this thing where people are just trying to get likes and trying to leverage their, you know, their social status and and try. Pretend that they're living in a perfect world to everybody around them. And everybody else is doing it. And people look at other people's lives being perfect and they reflect upon their own. They get depressed, or so many factors that kids didn't have to deal with just to a decade or so ago, really never off right. Like, at least if I had a hard time at school. I could go home and have a reprieve from it at least overnight. I think for me that's been a thing with my kids is like. Especially daughters. I do think I understand the gaming is different for boys and porna- pornography and things like that not hold trip of rewiring their brain. But I think with girls it's like. How do you get them to underst like get hear their own voice? I don't know how they're going to get to a place where they I mean because every it's like this weird mishmash of like me too. And then never before had people objectify themselves more because they get positive affirmation. Like, I always say if I put out really smart ideas, if I'm a young woman. Oh, I have a thousand followers every shot is of my, but I have ten million followers. So we have this mixed message going on which is like I'm angry me to treat me equal simultaneously to. I'm going to objectify myself in the most hardcore way more than in any time in history, and I talked to the results, and it's really it for me as a female who who understands both those sides a little bit. I kind of trips me out because I don't think you like those girls. Playing that card and no violence should be done to you. And I agree with all of that knows. No. And all of that. But are certain point you know, like you've had Jordan Peterson on here. Many times it's like biological signaling. It's like wh- like play aside, at least and also that that one side is super short-lived. That's what I've tried to all my girls. I'm like, you, listen, if you're, you know, you're pretty girls. It's great. But if that's the card you're playing your cards done like by the time, you're thirty thirty five it's done. It's over, you know, unless you're like forty and you marry seven-year-old or whatever giving the milk porn is that such a thing. Yeah. Yeah. But even that they got to put a filter on like all that stuff. I mean, come on this. You know what I mean? It's like a certain point. How do you get these girls to go? Hey, stand up for yourself be strong. But like, what are you doing? But look at all these people that are not doing that are benefiting. I know, but it's getting them to understand. How do you get a thirteen year old to talk about the long game? Right. I mean everything's immediate. But for me, it's like, it's culturally. I feel like I'm this weird. Mix of like the most came through the most modern time like women went to school and on scholarships. And like, we we there is no thought to being strong, not really and then, but then weirdly attack I feel so kind of old fashioned when I see kind of this next thing because I'm like well strong for me with something else. Strong was like you were really physically strong trying to have a strong mind, you know, strong basis of a person and then. Okay. Then there was this other side like your femininity, your sexuality, all this other stuff. And now, it's like, I don't know. I it's very interesting while there's certainly a bunch of different kinds of people. Right. And there's going to be people that gravitate towards object to find themselves people that gravitate in this day and age towards you know, you see a lot of people's pages just filled with motivational quotes, and inspirational things, and you know, and the stories about people that they meet and photos, and you get a lot of people that are tracked into that kind of stuff too. It's just you're not going to get the immediate gratification of a picture of your ass. The that picture of your attic, it's one hundred thousand likes like. Wow. Look at all those likes. Yeah. And then, you know, it's just a different vibe. And you have to decide what do you after you have to quantity or quality who after we try to accurately express? How you feel in and work it out through communicating with people and figure out how they react what you're saying. And how you feel about how other people say similar things. And how it does good things for you. And you want to do good things for them or do you just want to have? Yeah. So piece of dental floss of the crag your ass sticking it in front of the camera. This, you know, no one I get that. Like, I get also like I always say when you're young woman, you sort of get this new car, and you're like, well, what happens like what if I put my foot on the gas sort of checking it all out like they respond like this. If I do that like that's completely natural. But then at a certain point, I don't know that the input is like a, you know, like who do you want to be an not based on what everyone thinks about you like what actually turns you on? And and makes you feel excited and stoked because you know, it's great that you have a nice, but but there's a lot of nice butts. And in the end, that's not probably gonna. Bring you that other feeling the problem is that there's a thrill to positive reaction. Absolutely. And that thrills undeniable. I would like it to old people, and what people get that thrill when you tell them. Hey that thrills bad for you. Fuck off mom. No, no. I mean, a bolt onto that message. How about like get the thrill, but simultaneously doing the thrill? Maybe have some other thoughts about where where you like to continue to journey to. But I think when you tell that to a thirteen year old the here at eventually. Yeah. I think in the beginning like I got this later when it all goes sideways like God damage to listen to mom. Yeah. I think you just gotta be too and have some like cool friends that hang around you. Because if you're the parent, it's like, okay, you're going to penetrate so much, but if you've got some like, you know in Hawaii, they call Antes if you've got some bad ass chicks around you and your daughters or looking they see they say, but what if you don't have access to that? I have a lot of pretty strong cool. Women around me. But. Not that it concerns me. I don't want to say that. It's just how do you help the next group? You know, try to be good example love on them. But get them to teach them to love them themselves. That's all and I don't mean. With eyelash extensions. And like perfect things. I mean like love on yourself. Yeah. You know, that's the other thing too. This is a distort distortion of natural beauty, and you know, make it so that everything has to be artificial the color of your lips the color of your eye, shadow fake lashes. Everything is just this that doesn't doesn't look better. Just looks different. Do you think? I I'm always fascinated. What men think like today? Even like did they does it. Even register do. They know what's going on in what way. Well, I guess we'd have to ask men of that generation. If let's say they had. Two groups of women and one that was like perfectly quaffed with the lip injection quaffed. Is it I liked it. I'm talking about like eyelash extensions Joe. But like just sort of really done like ready for the club. Let's just say and then just like a girl like high, you know, I'm a sweaty runner. And now I'm going to go to the office and put my hair up in a ponytail. I don't know. What her if guys if they even can they tell the difference for sure? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's all what you're what you're into some guys dislike him soft and made up. Some guys like sweaty and muscular. Yeah. Still and get all that. I love that. I just mean. Again, it's hard core signaling. And I guess that's maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's the new biology. What's also that there's never been a time like that a bit on one of my Netflix specials were about this girl. Who's got just pictures of our ask you like nine million followers on Instagram. I'm like there's never been a person like this before this is a new kind of personally. Fuck fuck looking at these frogs, and the Amazon that no one's going to say, there's a new kind of person this girl just as pictures of her. But and she's got millions of people staring at her all day long. Every day is just new pictures of her. But great point. I was intrigued how they decide like, oh, we're gonna do the, but on the beach now, let's do the but next to the puppy. It's like, I'm so confused how they keep getting ideas. I can't even for different things. And it's like, I know we'll do. But with the cotton candy. It's like, okay. I don't know why I think it becomes a obsession. I mean, I think you have to stay fresh with new bud ideas. But. Hey, let's go ahead, but editor, but at but dot com. I don't know what if you have a girl who has let's say some of these girls have millions millions of dollars, and they're making millions of dinosaur crushing it, maybe are actually this Mars people in the room. And I haven't caught on yet. It's certainly an easy pass to finances. And I know right. If you have a great ass, and you like working out anyway, and you just want to take pictures of it. And all of a sudden, you have twenty five million followers like damn? But this goes also, okay, which do without job. Now. Definitely not because then when she gets well, I'll do the right thing and work at the library. I'm not. It's just I mean, if it was my kid, I'd be like, you know, sweetie. You might wanna way out the economics on this. Right. I think you said something really important. It's a whole new thing. And I think however, it's sort of like the communication you always having which is what is success and for me. It's that's all it's like getting people encouraging them, whatever that is whatever that looks like, you know, you said this like, oh, you do the show whether anyone was listening or not most likely, right? Probably I mean until you couldn't afford it anymore. Let's say, but obviously, I would do it just to have the conversations do it. Right. Maybe I wouldn't do it as much, but I would definitely do it. Right. If I like, if someone said, hey, you know, every few months of physicists will come in here and sit down. It's do it. It's what I wanna do. Yeah. Well, you're bringing information to you and learning to you. So for you part of your definition that success? And so I guess that is the conversation because we always have this thing. That's obvious thing of like successes, it either is notoriety its power, it's money. And then we forget those other communications about like the pursuit of something that really genuinely turns you on. Well, I think people get shortsighted, and you definitely can get success. We just have money, and you just have objects of notoriety, and people will view it as excess right? If you're not doing what you love. It's not pure success. It's a different kind of success. Like if you really find something that you enjoy doing. And then you take that like layered house with surfing or many people have with their passions. And then you become successful through that it's a different existence because it's a pure existence. Like when I do stand up comedy or if I do. Like commentary for the UFC. It's a very it's a pure enthusiasts. It's genuine comes across. I don't have to fake it. It's I enjoy doing it. That's to me. I don't know. Everybody can't do that. No, everybody feels like they can't do that. Or they haven't figured out a way to do that yet. But if you can if you can if there's a thing that you can do like, maybe I would have made more money. If I went into the stock market, maybe would have made more money, if I was a banker, maybe I don't know. But I definitely wouldn't be as happy. There's no way from the same person. I am now. And I was in a fucking office all day making one hundred times as much money. I'd be miserable. Right. And I think that I guess for me. That's maybe when I see the thing with the girls, and like I said feeling sensitive to it because I have daughters or just young people in general. It's that conversation of like. You know, just keeping that definition of success open. And by the way, this other path that taking it like following your own instincts, or desires or passions. There's elements to that that are are are harder for sure it's more unknown. You can feel insecure. Like is this the right thing to do? I mean, we've gone. I mean in our house, we've gone through that fifty different times, you know. It's like I'm gonna do this because I really want to I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't know if it's going to be successful. I might even lose money who knows? But that once you start to do it or you do it once or twice, then you go. Oh, but it's so worth trying if you can pull it off. That's the thing. Like if everything worth doing is hard to do everything. And but by the way, you might pursue we've pursued ten businesses and like one is soup really thriving to or doing well and the rest like we ate it eighty. Didn't cash we ate it and time we did. So I think that's the other thing. That's important is like, hey, you know, it's like sports how many times, you know. Do you lose to you? You lose a lot in order to win. And I think I think that's something that for me like with my girls. It's like, hey, just try to work really hard and hear your own voice. And and follow that if you can. And it is scary. I think it's scary are also a person who's had that opinion reinforced through vigorous work over the years. I mean, you're you're you're you're a super successful competitive athlete, which is one of the most difficult things person to do to force your body to perform better than everybody else's figure a way to win figure a way to get point scored figure way we're all these other people were also high level athletes are trying to stop you from doing it figure out a way to succeed and you're gonna fuck and fail. There's no way around it. You're gonna have ups and downs. But you're gonna understand the value of pursuit of dedication and discipline, and your kids are going to see that like they they must know their mom is a bad ass. I kinda understand who you are. Yes. And no, I think it's interesting because then you know, like, how sons can push against dads and dads identities. Right. Sure. There's times not my youngest and less my oldest. But my middle went through a phase where it was like she was almost like I'm going to. I'm going to knock her off her Pires. No like my records, my real estate that. I that was my Bill state, and it's like. And you know, she's a big strong kid. And but then I think she realized like, oh, no, no, no. This is more about me finding my own real estate. And like my mom did that because that was what my mom had to do. And what she what was good at. And that was my thing. And it was, but there was a minute that I think listen, no kid looks at their parent that they actually live with by the way. And is like, yeah, they're cool. There's just not no I mean, like deserted them and called like four times year. They'd be like, it's my mom. She's on the phone, and she's an exotic country though, like you'll get me some water, I'm going to bed like, you know, it's like it's no different in any house. And by the way, I I had this new thing I'm doing right now with my youngest daughter because she can get me like she can get me. Like, nobody's business like Laird, always jokes. He goes you two are not allowed to drive in the car together anymore. Like, we come home from one ride from school. And I'm on the mats, right? This kid is like because we're very similar. And she just works me. And they see work was just you and her alone or. Oh, no. She's not dummy. This kid is. So smart. We always joke like Brody run something. I just want her to have friends. Hopefully, you know that she's she's pretty radical. And she always gives you this look to wall. She's carving you up that's a slight smirk on her face. And I'm like, I'm gonna kill this. And so, and then you think I'm, you know, I'm I've been around I'm trying to be evolved in. I don't think I'm having a insulin. Spike, like, I should be balanced in calm. I think I meditated this morning, and I'm like four seconds. And I'm like, man. Got sake. They know what's your buns? And it becomes a little sport for them. Yeah. So now, okay. So this is the best. So I go, okay. Laird was telling me a story years ago. He got he went down and river raff. Went down a river and went down the rapid and got pinned against Iraq. Okay. And it was breaking on his back. And he said he was pushing on the rock and pushing couldn't get off K. And he said he had this image of like a skeleton on the rock, you know, like with the water just pounding on it. You know, it's like the clothes all messed up. And he said he he moved his foot wiggled his foot and his whole body slipped out. And so I said with when I see my youngest daughter. I'm going to wiggle my foot because I keep pushing and prodding and she's just coming. You know, she's a hydraulic like it's not stopping its non seizing. She's younger than me. She has more energy. She's faster. I mean, you know. And so I go I'm just going to wait on my foot. Like literally to the point where even if I need the physical Q like if she stand there doing some of her weird bullshit, I'll just be like move my foot just to give them a trigger. Like, I've got a parent. I'm like against the ropes like everybody else. And so and I have a partner who supports me. And sometimes he looks to me like who not not not that strong of a game gab. And so. So, you know, we'll we'll we'll get into it. And I and I don't go to pick her up. And my whole thing is nice. I talked to my kids in the morning. First thing, I always say, hey, good morning. Like, I try really hard to be the adult and to be the parent. Right. Like, that's what I'm really wanna do like, I really wanna show up as the adult and flawed. Be it. I still be like, you know, what I at least she's acting like an adult that that woman over there. You know, get me water and so. She'll get in the car. And I'll be like, hi, Honey. How was your day at school? You know, I try even the the fake nice, tone and everything. I don't really listen. I spent almost seven hours there. I really don't want to talk about school took a colossal waste of time. All the cheat eleven she's like and then she says to me yesterday. I'm not exaggerating. She goes, you know, if you listen, no offense. I'm sorry. I'm trying to be rude. I just if you can't tell I don't like to talk that much. It seems like a waste of time. Talking is always does what she says. She's very self contained. I'm thinking through that. But okay. So then I'm like all right one another strategy. So I go, oh, it's cool. I I can be self contained like, I'm cool. I don't need you. Go, sweetie. I don't care. No problem. I just click over a little bit into my mail like, okay? I can drive this car. Maybe I'm going to drive a little faster. And let's go. And within three minutes somehow all the things I said, I wasn't going to get Lord into nothing. I'm gonna wiggle my foot all this philosophical stuff. I've been reading books. She gets me. And she's like ninety five pounds. And she gets me. He's my only kid that gets me like this. And it's literally like if you went into a restaurant, and you said, okay, I'm not going to order the lasagna and the hamburger and the double fries with the chili sauce, and you walk in and you go I'll take the lasagna the hamburger, and the it's like the one thing I said, I wasn't going to do. And she gets me every time. So that's something. I'm always really trying to figure out and also like cer- back away from this lady. Actually, you should have run your show. Have you ever heard of Byron, Katie? No, you gotta get her. Jimmy, gotta get her. She's she taught me a lot of stuff, but it's basically like full and men do this better jet, generally. And yes, there are women that do it as well. As man, I'm not getting into all that. But it's like surrendering like, maybe my kids gonna grow up. And they're going to be completely different than what I thought or what they would be or my expectations, and that's actually probably closer to the real the real thing. So I can be, you know, going through sports like, ma'am, volleyball's ways than this. It is. It's just very it's straightforward. Right. Take the ball hit the line. Yeah. Take take the ball and hit the other line. Okay. No. That was did you complete that? No. I didn't hit the line. Okay. Hit the line is. You're Levin year old involved in sports. Oh, yeah. The worst sport ever what sport horses. Cross beauty pageants on big animals. I don't think it's cute to take six year olds and think, oh, it's so sweet we'll get them we'll ride horses because then they fall in love with horses, and then they want better horses, and then they want pretty horse pants and then the boots and his daughters deepen the horses Kilyos game. She I have to say, I'm sorry. You were not born to billionaires. I'm really so sorry for you. It's pretty heavy. My middle daughter is into tennis, and she's pursuing tennis, and I'm trying to figure out how to manipulate my young one out of away from horses, and she'll say to me, I know you think it's a phase. And it's not just going to make it a not face. And she's and that's why I'm like, do whatever you want, but you have to use your own body at least a couple of days a week go 'cause you're using the body of the horse. And by the way, frustrate you. I even tried this. I can't believe I'm admitting this. I mean, I thought you guys love the animals, you know, like you really loved horses and what you're doing to them is not good for the horses. They land on the same foot. And she's like they jump in nature. I go they don't not with a hundred pounds on their back. They don't and not. They don't land on the same leg. I've tried that. I can't do that anymore. That's not fair. And then. I totally. And then the other thing, I've tried is doesn't it irritate you? If you're on a horse, and you were more talented as an athlete or you had trained harder, but your horse wasn't as good. So you couldn't win. And she just looks at me like I'm gonna ride this out. She doesn't care nothing ax her because that's what frustrates me imagine. If it was like, I had a better key than you. So I could kick your ass in jujitsu because Mikey was more expensive. You'd be like, wait a second. I trained twice as hard as you. I've been doing it longer. And maybe I'm just better than you. Nope. Mikey's more expensive. So if you have a shitty horse is nothing you can do about it. And the judges know the no they know so yeah, I would never get into that. And I don't come from that. I barely come from like if I didn't hit a white ball. I wasn't even going to university never mind like, you know, this whole horse world thing. Oh god. I myself. I went to show once and I was like saying good morning to all the groomsmen like morning, sir. Good afternoon and like giving stink guide. All the ladies. You know? I was like, yeah. This is an upside down a different thing. Yeah. I just I I really this is one of my I lose sleep over this show. Really? Yeah. I do. I do. It's a lot of money at that's not the part. I mean, I lose sleep over that too. Because I'm like lurching to kill me. But. Because then the flip side of it is I got a kid who's into something. She'll go to the barn. If if you let her seven eight hour, she'll work with the horses. Lunge them do all the stuff. So then you're like, okay. Well, she's into something. This is not a kid who will sit around and not do anything. But I just I guess for me. It's the. You know, it's it's a money sport. You know? You know that weird bubble evening. You know? So that that part was like I was like oh God. How did we get here? Yeah. Yeah. That's what my friend is dealing with his daughter. How old is his daughter. She's ten. Oh. Is he in deep already? Yeah. Did you see Lisa Horia a horse? They ha they bought a house at least. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I I didn't know you could horse brokers. There's a whole thing. It's a shyster whole trip is super expensive to lease a horse to right? I think it's like forty grand a month or something crazy like, well, then you've got a really fancy horse, but it's expensive and that number up. Yeah. You did. And. That's like Bill Gates daughters. But then it's like, I don't know for me. That's but again is apparent I these are one more of my lessons like I'm not her. And she's not me. I have I as much as I used to think I was so in charge of so many things. I think being in a long relationship. I've been with layered almost twenty four years. It's like you start to learn like, oh, okay. I'm I'm not I can impact you I can influence you I can support you. I can love you. I could try to inspire you. But my here too. It's like even as apparent like, I'm not here to control anyone, and that's a hard thing. Because when you get a little baby you control your in charge. That's what you need to be. And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, you know, that shift is they don't I wish people need to talk more about like the shift of because we're not objective and. You know, the tools that you need you got to keep adding tools, and it's. It's very humbling. Do you find it easier to do on Kawai or at in California because they different? Well, it depends. Right. So if I have my middle daughter, who's a teenager, not on Colli, she looks eighteen or nineteen, and you know, there's not a lot to do. And so that's tricky. They're here like she. She basically lives at a tennis house, and she goes, she's home schooling. She does five to seven hours a tennis her choice as of in the last couple of months, so it's easier because there's just more productive things to do. What I like is when they're little Kawais. Great because it's so simple. The life is simple. So what kids are thinking about is like playing and being in nature, and like developing also a toughness to them that maybe like city kids have it different. Because like there barefoot, and they're like climbing trees, and they're throwing rocks at each other. And it's just like a little more. A rough and tumble. So in their little Kuwaiti certainly easier. And then as they get older, that's what we're we're serve out. Now, it's like you got to adapt and put these kids. Give them a launching pad. If you will because the problem is like, and I went through this growing up in an island. It's like, you don't know all that's out there to dream to do. And it's even if it's you know, everything in life. It's so true about like being like the outcome is like, I even see it with layered. It's like he went out into the world. He's done all this stuff. And there's certain things we're doing and projects right back onto coli. And so there's always going to be that element. Probably of I went, and I did all these things. I express myself all these ways, and then there's some basic parts about where I exactly started that are still really important to me. But I think it's important for kids to see like it doesn't matter where you're from. Or how you grow up like certainly learned night both the same way. It's like, you you really could try to do anything and and pursued that if it's in you, if it's genuinely anyone calling you, and I want that for my kids, and I don't care what that is. Just that they have something that they get up each day. And they're like, you know, I'm turned on the that really is what people need the really need something they love doing. That's it. And I think that's what I was talking about successes. Sometimes we have all this, you know, kind of bells and whistles and attention around getting attention. And I think people don't realize that getting attention. I mean, you know, this for yourself. It's like, yeah. It's great. But what is it like what is it really when you close the doors, and you're hanging with your people that are your close to. It's like. You know, what's making you excited for real? And who loves you for real in that way of like, it's great people. Appreciate your work that always feels good. But if you're doing it for your real reasons than I already think that is a real success, and we spent a lot of time working. So why not have something that we're fired up on? And that's the thing because it's like, you know, who spent a long time of your life working. What do you want to do in guiding child into that direction of trying to set them up in a way that they've you their life as kind of a project and the most enjoyment? You're gonna get is find a thing that excites, you find the thing that you really get inspired by some the whatever the fuck, it is it's going to be different for you than it is for me to find out what that thing is. But it's all the same thing. Once you find out what the thing, isn't that? That thing genuinely Joe. Dell's with your personality and your likes and your passion just run with it. You can do it. Yeah. You can run with it. And it changes too. I think that's the other thing is also we get defined like, okay? You were doing this one job. And then it's like, okay. But that job is over like, it's like being an athlete or an, you know, competing competitive athlete on an organiz platform that has a Dana time. And then when that's over do you want to look back and keep talking about that. Or do you wanna look and see who you are now, and who you'd like to be, and I think that that's always a, you know, kind of an important thing to teach people especially people that have. Well, I'm I'm a comedian. I was a professional athlete. It's like, okay. That's cool. I had some guy come into once and say, hey. I was at the golf course. And I was one of my kids were hitting golf balls. And he goes were either volleyball player Gabby, and I was like, well, no, I'm still Gabby. But one of the things I've done is play volleyball. And I think that actually if we can get to that. That's even better. It's like who am I and then off of this non ch- know as far as like, whether you're older or younger or in one part of your career or not it's like, you still can always be the essence of yourself. And then it's like oh. And now right now, I'm doing this. And then I was but I'm not I'm not for all time. Just, you know, volleyball player fighters over huge problem with the identities being fighters so much that once they retire. They almost almost all of them except for a small percentage almost all of them come back because they just they miss it so much missed excitement and the thrill, and they don't know who they are without that pursuit to pursued is the next fight pursuit is training camp getting ready. And when they don't have that for a long time. It just starts really chipping away at them when I think to the. Amount of focus. It takes to be really good at that kind of stuff or to run a company or anything. It's it makes sense. Why it's so hard to try to diversify while you're doing it is really hard. But I think it's important to quietly keep that voice inside your head going. Yeah. But who are you right beyond that expression of yourself who are you? What do you how do you feel about things? And also the opportunity like to kind of grow up. You know, there's so many opportunities like thirty forty fifty like to to try to. And I don't mean grow up in the notion of like, you're so responsible now I mean, like grow up in a way that like, maybe you you change, your ideas, and the way you do things, and you know, I was I was telling Laird I was in the situation this week where? I something had gone down. I didn't like the way it had gone down. It wasn't to do with him. And I was like, you know, what I'm I'm not gonna attach to this. Like, I I know better. So now, I'm just gonna notice that it kind of bugs me, and I'm not gonna attach all the way to that feeling into that experience. And and for me, that's more. What I mean about growing up not like being, you know, grown up because I actually think the more grown up. We are also means we could probably be more childlike to for. Sure. Both. So it isn't about like be responsible. It's just a different freedom. So I mean, I would think in the end that that would be a more interesting quest than I was a champion anything. Right. I I don't know. And I it's not sexy in its internal. But I don't know it's can be I think pretty rich. Why think ultimately for a person who's experienced Affleck is and the highs of accomplishments, but. Also understands real personal struggle. That's when like a personal you've experienced so many different things that you can you understand what's actually beneficial towards you. Right. And it's pretty simple. I hate to that's kind of the heavy part. It's like it's like being married to like Laird is wants to go to bed at eight thirty and Lord wants to get up early. And he keeps it pretty simple. And I it's an interesting thing because within it there is. He seems pretty good. I mean as long as there's sometimes waves that guys like that seems like a that's pretty straightforward. Well, that's it. Like, how do I how do I get the highest ideas? The biggest ideas, you know, whether it's like dealing with ego, or whatever get the biggest ideas, and then get everything else. Pretty stripped down pretty simple because otherwise it just I feel like you're running around. And I'm like, I love the days I'm running around. And I'm like, what am I reacting to like with what what is going on like like a crazy person? Right. And then it's like, okay. You know, you got to back it up in it. And listen with kids it's hard because you're only as good as like, your whatever your kids are going through. I mean, and then there's elements of it like they're going through things, and you go it's probably pretty natural, even if it's super hard. It's like, and that's okay too. And you don't want that for them. But I think you know, that's something. I've really learned is like I got it's a bummer that you have to go through that. And it's hard to watch. And I don't want you to and. That's okay, too. Because that's part of it's really cool to see them come out on the other end. And then talk to you about it. Oh, it's not bother me. So much more. Oh martin. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I was just upset. But I'm all right. You know? And it was really cool thing. I learned because I I am, you know, listen, I'm pretty. Not siri. I'd say I'm pretty serious person like Laird is sort of the lighter person of the two of us. And I someone sort of gave me some information about like not resisting with my kids like my oldest was going through something. And I said I just need to tie feel about this. But I didn't make it a big deal. Just sort of dropped it off and said, hey this. I'm feeling and she said to me very clearly when she was like twenty two. This just feels like something I have to do. And I remember thinking I felt like that. And nobody understood what I was doing. And I understood I had to something I had to do for my reasons, and I was right for myself. And what I did is. I just went. Okay. I get it. And where I wanted her to end up happened so much quicker because I didn't put up the resistance. And that's the other thing. I mean. How long does it take me to learn that one it's like, you know, not having to try to resist or navigate every single situation and just go. Okay. And then you get through it so much faster, and they get through it. Now. I know you're super nutrition Laird has of you guys have this company SuperFood. Yeah. Do force that stuff when your kids. Are you kidding my kids, if they want to eat pasta, and whatever they can eat whatever they want. Yeah. Because I cook dinner. So we know what dinner looks like my kids. I always say just know what's the difference between food and fun. Like be clear bagel is a lot of fun. Right. It's not food because I just want to send them into the world equipped with the information. On how they can take care of themselves. Because if you make anything thing don't have that when they go to their friends house, they'll have a bag of chips, the clicker, and they'll be like, I love it here. So I am like, you whatever you want and my kids eat pretty healthy. That's awesome. That they listened that way. They don't listen. Well that they've figured out that they eat healthy. Yes. Smart. We'll also. Okay. So my middle for a minute. Like never met a carb. She didn't like, right. And it was like it was bad for a minute. She was like twelve thirteen whatever. And then she and she knows the difference. And she was also using food to kinda sway some feelings and other stuff too. That's interesting thing. But then she's come around it. But it's not let's not pretend that my kids. Listen, they don't there must a little. No, they don't know down your example, that's more they're watching. But they don't listen, you think in a way learned I could be sort of maybe imposing parents in some way. And I'm telling you, they are not they don't it doesn't. They look at us. Like, what do you got like come on? It's your move. So I've just learned like it's your choice. Like, this is what I'm swimming for dinner. I don't have pop in the house, obviously. But if like we want someplace. You know, I showed him a picture when they were little remember the guy who did like eat this not that Dave with the Z for men's healthy editor anyway, it was like seven or eight chocolate chip cookies and a kiss soda opposite each other. And I'm like do you want to cookies or do you want that soda, and they got it? It's like, okay because it showed how much sugar was in both. So it's just that kind of stuff, but they don't it's not like we live so healthy. And they listen. You know? I mean, Ben greenfield, right? He lives in the forest, and they that's different. It's a different level of control. I don't have that kind of control. Yeah. Benz. Got a weird thing going on out there his kids. Listen, do they they must. They're out in the forest have to. That's what I mean. I'm saying I don't have that level of containment Bryant that. That's how about yesterday at predators like living predators. You can't really let your kids. Just go loose and your backyard. Now, I know keep an eye on them easier than Coca Cola and Cheetos a different kind of way. I'm just saying like predators. Very straightforward. It's a predator. Don't go out there. It's like, well, you know, this food it's in a bag. It's got you know, it's not that good for you, your cell functions. Like, okay. What are my friends? Do it like, you know predator? So I just think I don't know. I just think. I think I've surrendered to the idea of them listening, and I just try to show them the best example, and they are intelligent people that I have faith in will arrive at their own conclusion. And by the way. They make make other choices. I I don't think. So how many kids leave by? Like when they grow up, not many. I don't think I think it's it's tough because it is so beautiful and magical on some level intuitively. It makes so much sense there. You know what? I mean, like, it makes a lot of sense like the foods growing there certain things and you go into the real world. You're like, whoa. Do. They have good supermarkets there. Yeah. It's just everything costs of a box of cereal is like nine dollars. No for real. So it's hard, but some kids leave I would think that that would be a difficult transition between going from co I'd like moving to Chicago or something like that. It can be especially if it's like December. But I think you'd be surprised. Yeah. Let me tell you. The cold is shocking. When you come from an island like go snowboarding, Alaska and stuff like that. Because he loves all that. But I grew up in Saint Thomas, and I'm just like, you know, five days in the cold on Mike, this is so beautiful. And then I'm like, I'm good, you know, but I think, you know, listen island people they either like Jones for the big city or the number one tourist destination for Hawaiians. Do you know what it is what Vegas? 'cause obviously because it's tapas it. Right. It's like it's like everything's artificial. And then you have a lot of Filipino Japanese Chinese Hawaiians. So like fun gambling things like that. Oh, yeah. It's the number one. Like Hawaiian airlines that's their number one destination for locals they go to Vegas the. I mean because it's the antecedents, right? Yes. You see the strip and all the neon craziness. Hopefully, giant flashing a drop a water anything natural. You're not really supposed to be there. You know, like, there's no garden of Eden makes sense. Oh, totally. So neither either they they go like, hey, I wanna be a designer and live in New York, or you know, that's gotta to be the ultimate one eighty culture shock. They have that though for sure. Yeah. For sure they have that. I I'm with Laird though about living there. Whenever I go there. I'm like what in the fuck is this? I love it. I love New York for like a week. Well, you can get stuff done in New York. And you're a real New Yorker, there's no other place like New York, right? Like, I can get whatever food. I want. Exactly how I want it. Yeah. There's that. And I can get stuff done and you're also breathe in brake dust all day. Yeah. It's tough. And I don't think we're supposed to be living on stacked on top of each other. That's the thing and large always like. Yeah. Some goes wrong. This is the worst place you ever wanted to be through garbage water toilets. He's like he's always thinking about like if they turn the power off this going to happen. Then me too. Yeah. So that's how he kind of how he lives. I mean, we had a a hundred year reign in April was five feet in a day of rage. Yeah. It was pretty radical. So and then we went through the fires. So it's just like, I think there's a fires, and it rains that much. Then we were hearing Malibu. And so we had that like within six months after. So I think he's always. And I think you know, when people do things in nature like rock climbers or big wave surfers, or whatever they're more in tune with the fact that like stuff does go wrong. And so they're not assuming that it's always going to be as it always is so big storms out there where in inqui- like hurricanes. Yeah, they haven't had really a significant one since in Niki, which I believe in ninety two really bad. I think it was the fastest wind speed to hit land ever far away. You guys as the crow flies from like the big island. He's got he's got a thing for the big island. What's happened to you on the big island? I love it there. Did you have like an experience or no you're gonna join or anything? I like it there because it's it's it's it's like a good medium like not quite as populated as Maui. It's not as metropolit-. Tyn? No. But it's still pretty big. Whereas is probably my favorite really interesting. So quiet. And yeah, I hunt. Like oh. There we go. And it makes sense. It's also overpopulated. So it's like the most it's like the best ethical argument for hunting currently available in the United States of America. If you want to call Hawaii, the United States of America, I know if you ask a Hawaiian like, oh, you're American. They're like, you know, Hawaiian their Hawaii. Quiet is the most north. So it's the other end of the chain. So how far away would it be? So if you were going to fly in an airplane. It's an hour or forty five minutes because of take off and landing if it was like straight like we whip we go and play plane. It's probably twenty eight minutes. So how many miles is that because you going five hundred miles an hour. It's a couple of hundred miles. Yeah. It is. Wow. No. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, it's an amazing informing right now what? Yeah, that's outrageous. I like your fascination with Y. Oh, I love it out there. I really do. That's great Stephen to try to talk me into move into Molly. Yeah. He loves it out there. Really? He loves it loves it. Yeah. He gets off though. Yeah. I mean, he flies around does his Aerosmith shows does that television show and all that jazz, but he loves Maui. Yeah. You don't love it too much do love Maui. I guess I lived there. Also when it was like a little less populated. So it's like anything when you watch you just kind of go. Whoa. It's a great blend for me. It has still nothing compared to this. Like, I was just that's right. I mean, it's like this is that's right. We're here is crazy L as what do we have thirty five million people for posthumous, it even know really, they're just guess, what do you like the ninth largest economy in the world. Yeah. I told him earth when we had this whole thing with all the the Mexican the Mexican, you know, whatever non illegal, whatever I said, I have a friend of mine who he's from here, but he's from Mexico, and I said you should band together. You have the ninth largest economy in. In the world and get together and have demands because you're helping run the ninth largest economy in the world. Well, that's what's Larry's about people that want the immigrants to go back to Mexico. Listen stupid. This thing would fall apart. That's what he talked mobilize. Let's go and he's crazy about it. It's like they're already a part of the system. Like, why don't they get the benefits? I think laughing because when I went to see him ago. How's it going? He goes. Well, hopefully, I'm here tomorrow joking. You know, and I go you guys like you're making it happen. Get people to organize like that. They're so worried about being shipped out now ice, you know, I had a friend of mine who's a veteran and he's an older gentleman. He's in his fifties. He got up pulled over at ice. At the Home Depot. They asked him where he was born. And he say, hey ASO. You're not supposed to ask questions like that. Like, you don't have a warrant to do. And he started grilling the guys he pulled out his military ID. He's like what the fuck. Are you guys doing here? What do you think you're doing? Yeah. Yeah. I'm American was born America because I'm American citizen also veteran, and then he starts eagles. Like you guys. This is legal, and that's supposed to talk to people like this. But they can do that to people that don't know. And are scared right? I mean. Yeah. But you if you're just an American citizen at fucking Home Depot, you're not supposed to get harassed by some guy thinks you might be Mexican 'cause you Brown Brown skin. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. But it's also like is this really where our problems are what about these using these resources in a positive way. There's a lot of shit that needs to get done. But that's I mean, that's everywhere about how much time gets spent on not doing anything and going the other direction. I don't know. Well, isn't that less of a problem though, when you have a small community like Hawaii, that's gotta be looking at huge alleviate of frustration. This is just the giant masses of people in the stupid, jobs everywhere. It's like you got you guys kind of kind of boil down to a much more natural state one. It's all very accountable, right? Like, if I say something to you. I don't get to walk away from that what you're fucking little island. I'm going to see a fifty more times that day. And so I got own it. If I you know, and that that was all biggest adjustment is. Because everything he, you know, doesn't says he is owns it. And so he when he first came here, and like if even driving if someone flicked him off like you just don't do that in Hawaii. Right. I know your truck like, I know you, I know your sister like a gum into your house. I know what are you talking about? Hey. Yeah. I've been with him where he has pulled people over and said, listen like you you can't go and just like drop off aggressive gestures. You just don't know who like what's up with people. Like, you've got to be accountable. Like this like, you know, and I'm like, okay. Well, you cannot stop every vehicle like jump out. And be like, hey, right. But here is he do that there. Now, he's done it here. No. You don't have to do it. They're dangerous. Yeah. I guess. Ten be it can be it's true. It can be an and he's again, he's he's older and wiser I'm talking about like, maybe when we first were together in his early thirties crazy Laird, but he still has a look at as I were. It's like, I don't know. I get it like, well, if you really used to that environment to where everybody is accountable, and then you see these just assholes. Yeah. Beep, if you really said, okay, let's go outside. They back. I'm going to get a lawyer. Right. I think for him. That's the weird twisty part. It's like in Hawaii if they say it, it's like, okay? Let's go at least. It's like, okay. I'm in a stand up to own the words, I say and everything here. It's like if you go, okay. And they go, you know, I'm going to call somebody. He's like, okay. Well, which is it, you know, like, I always tell my kid. My one daughter does that she'll be like, really aggressive. And then if you call her on it she gets like, she's the victim. I go. No, no, you have to pick like which one. Are you are you like aggressive or you the victim? But I don't know. I I think it's. Interesting. He he will call people out every time, though, if they are acting weird he'll just say like what's up or how's your day ten and I'm like, oh, people are not accustomed to. Because then why they're just very respectful that way. And well, this is accountability. And I think that's important. Yeah. There's also a lot of fighters come out of Hawaii because it's a fighting for your culture. So, you know, like uncle slapped boys heads in like an it's also now because of the Brazilian influence coming in now, you've got you know, jujitsu, and and also I think about this. They're pretty strong, right? And and so contact they don't mind little contact. Like they joke about like Polynesian rugby players like it's like, oh fun. Like, oh, you know, like, we're leveling each other. Right. So you're also talking about people who maybe they don't mind a little little contact, you know, like playful because they are also playful, so it's also like this weird thing like, I'm not I don't take myself so serious. So there's like a playfulness. But also like, oh, we're going to do you notice a big difference between like female, athletes, and male athletes? Like, okay because fighting is pretty. I don't wanna say exaggerated. But it's an interesting thing where you know, you have men and women kind of differently, but doing the same thing if you will I'm do you notice a difference in their mentality? Well, they've vary. So much individually. That's what's interesting. It's like you you'll find even male fighters her like super laid back. And then you find other ones that are really intense super motion, and it's really hard to tell like, there's a there's gun Nelson is guy from Iceland. His I know fantastic guy. You cannot get that guy to change his expression. It doesn't change. You could punch him kick him in the balls. He he stays stoic. It's a weird. He's a weird guy. He's very unwanted side of it. And then there's like is like Conor McGregor. Who's also his training partner. Who's on a completely different side of it? He's screaming and yelling talking shit to everybody. And you know, that's that's part of his flare. Right. You know? They they vary so widely, and it's that's true with girls to some girls are brash and outrageous, and they get in other girls faces and put their knuckles on their nose. And there are at the staredown and other girls bow on the hug, and they take selfies together. It's like everyone has their own sort of approach to it. Yeah. Very interesting. It is interest. I'm always, I'm I'm in fighting intrigues me. And that I think it's interesting that you're trying to be offensive and defensive at the same time dealing with fear like all these things happening simultaneously. And I then take a I look at it one step further with a female because. I don't know. I I'm interested to know how if a female can fight from a non non non-emotional place, but without her emotion. Like, just like, okay. I'm in my mail. I'm in my Ashley. And I'm not going to be like, oh, she didn't just kick me in the year. You know, like freak out. You know, what I mean like because I think about myself, and I. You know, like I've only been in one fight my whole life and and the girl hit me in the face. And when I saw my blood I was like, oh, no she did not just hit me in the face. And then went crazy. But if these girls could be because they are so well trained as an athlete how that can supersede like or override actually like this im- feminine impulse of like. Reaction a reaction. That's a masculine impulse to though, I think it's a human impulse. If a guy punches you in the face you get furious. It's so hard for people did not get emotional when they get hit. Yeah. Because you want to get it back. Good point. It's a very bad way to react in a fight to fight with emotions because you expose yourself. Right. You leave yourself open for counters, you you you miss your rhythm. You not as deceptive and your your your motions, you're too obvious in your pattern. And so many times you you get hit a lot more. It's a it's a big problem with fighters. The that emotion is a very big problem and the wanting to break people like letting them hit you. So you could show them that they can't hurt you get some skills thing. Too stupid. It's a very stupid take it on the face on purpose. And then just like come on mama hit. That's what you have. Yeah. That's a terrible motion though, because you can get completely knocked unconscious doing that happens all the time. It's just the smart thing to do is to fight with correct technique and with a correct strategy. Meaning you have an understanding of how to execute best. It's not just weighed in let bombs fly. It's you have to have to be very precise in your tactics. You got to be very smart. I think it's interesting though, those sports where there is that. I mean, listen versions of it is football. You know living with layered. Obviously, you know, he always says he appreciates mother nature because it's like you make good decisions. You're rewarded you make bad decisions. You you pay a price. But I think it is very interesting when you have to humans strategically trying to deconstruct one another the chess the physical chest that goes on as like looking at it from another after. Fleets point of view. I think it's a unique person that wants to put themselves in that situation. You know, it's like I understand almost like, you know, a surfer and a wave and a rock climber and a mountain I get that. Like, I'm going to be a part of that. But I find it really interesting, and even sort of I'm even more curious about women like who say like, yeah. This is going to be. My sport vary so widely like this Holly home, she just seems like awfully sweet associated like she'd bring you cupcakes should murder. You kick you fuck back. I mean, listen, I saw that kick. But then it's like, I'm so sorry. I made you these after you know, to cookies, it's like, okay. I'll get it. You know when I from the hospital. I don't know it's it is interesting when you see girls like that. Well, they're all different. I always want to know do they have brothers like where they rabble rousing and their whole time, and it was in they learned to play in. It wasn't personal. You know in like a little contact was. Okay. Maybe I mean, Ronda Rousey case, it was also it was very Morris. Yeah. Her mom was a world judo champion roms appeased. She said an interesting path. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering how much she loves the WWE wonder always wonder when a person is like an elite athlete at the highest level of a real one. If they they still enjoy doing that. Because I think she enjoyed it though. I think she was a fan of it before the theater of it. Yes. I think she actually enjoyed pro wrestling, you know, and they aren't doing athletic things, even though it's scripted obviously flying off of an into and around. I mean, it's fled. But it's scripted. Yes. It's not competition. But then again, you can only get knocked unconscious so many times you can only get fucked up so many times and she got fucked up to fights in a row, really bad. The Holly home KO was ruthless. That was brutal. And then Amanda Nunez, just punched her face in for forty eight seconds. It was horrific that was hard to why don't like to watch. I I mean, I don't like to watch really big guys punch each other and women. I don't know why like when guys are a little smaller. It's easier to watch as long as they're not kicking themselves in the head. I'm just saying. So the big scary ones like heavyweights. Yeah. You just go. Oh my God. That just that guy took eight years off that guys, you know, it's definitely different notice it like there's certain heavyweights they hit guys, and they get knocked unconscious. Whether it's Francis in Ghana or steep, Amyot Chih-chia or these big guys and they slam someone's like, oh my God. That's what I mean. Like, I watch that. I I don't actually I mean violence. I know it's sport. But for me, it's always violent. It is it's a it is a very dangerous path that you have to know when to get off and more. I don't know if I would say more so than other combat sports, but it makes all of them all of the have a path. But I think very specifically may has you have to be really careful because the the consequences. So great there's not enough padding those gloves tiny little things, you could also get kicked you get need in the face elbowed in the face. And once you realize the chin starts going and your reflexes start going, and you're you're. Slowing down like you. Gotta get out now. Yeah. You gotta get out. Yeah. And sometimes they don't get the proper advice, you know. And sometimes they don't know what else to do. They don't have anywhere else to go. And that goes back to. Yeah. I was talking. I tell talk to Larry by that because we have tons of friends in organized sports. So if like you have to be drafted or coach the team has to pick you up or you know, whatever, and I say to him like how fortunate or you that you're in a sport. Like other athletes, like a snowboarder, whatever that you can go. You can go out. Yeah. You wanna ride you can go ride. Nobody's dictating to you. And if you're really smart, and you're managing yourself and your health and your wellbeing in your melon and everything else, you could write a really long time. Yeah. That's a big difference between that and a competitive fighter fifty five years of age shit. Yeah. Getting hit over and over no chance. I mean, you could still train and certain aspects especially jujitsu a lot of people deepen their sixties seventies eighties train. You can definitely do that. But there's such a such a difference. You know, layered can go out there and do what he wants to do at the same level. He was able to do two decades ago. It's exhausting actually. I swear to God. Because I feel like cleared is like I I in this way of like when you live with somebody that sort of, you know, it's like, I mean, you you have a partner it's like in ways there a reference to you in certain ways. And so I like living with him, and you're referencing him as an athlete. You're just like. Oh, man. I gotta I gotta get busy. I gotta get training. I gotta get moving. It's just like because he's. He's nonstop dot guy because he has to that's a different type a lot of times I'll train because I'm like, hey, I know how good I feel when I'm done, and it's important, and I've other stuff I need to do. But I'm going to get it in for a guy like that. It's just like. What it would be like if I took an eighty pound dumbbell inside at the bottom of the pool for a minute. And then try to do fifteen you know, it's just like he also has a creative approach. I'm more linear and take for time and for this. And he's like, let's just go until we can't any more. It's like, okay. When's that drill going to end? Do you train with them? Only in the pool. I'm telling you got to come with a friend, and someone that you feel safe with and I'm going to be honest with you we have fighters and trainers have the hardest time in the pool. Really? Yes. And I'll tell you why a lot of them are built they have a lot of mass. K like it. So number one right there. Just the mass like more Dench go to the bottom. Okay. The other side of it is they're used to doing everything quickly and the water's like awesome. That you want to do it quick. This is how we're gonna do it. Right. And so it's a pretty cool environment. But we've had a lot of we've had fighters and trainers and they're built for. But once you know, obviously, once they get the hang of it. But I think it's. It's pretty special to the training because you when you're done again, it goes back to I am like a noodle. You're exhausted and your joints are not just hammered. And this is called X PT's. We had not Tech's PT. It's like it's part of us. They could follow. Yeah. I mean, but the poll training, though, it's like you have to kind of do it with somebody someone else to show you. Yeah. I mean, we started originally it was like we wear weight vests, and like just go tread as long as you can. And it's like, okay. I think I'm I'm good now. Like, I I cannot swim anymore. You know, I can't tread anymore. And then it was actually one of my daughter. She might have been like six or seven at the time, maybe younger, and she would swim to the surface of the dumbbell. And they're like, oh, what if we made you had reps, and you do sequencing where you're on an excel or on an hill, or whatever he'll go from like a. You know, versa climber or a bike and have your heart rate way up and then go okay now, you're going to do the set. So it's like, there's all these ways to adapt. And it's pretty cool. I think for people who trained that's the whole thing is how do you keep modifying? Like, do you get locked in like on your training or do you keep going? Okay. I've heard you talk about like, oh, I've added yoga and all these things like that's the other thing is like you get pretty good at something. But now, how do you keep kind of adding doing things that you're sort of unsure you're uncomfortable? You're not good at. I think that that's always been easier for layered than me. I've always sort of going like, well, no, I'm good over here. Like, I do this. Good. It's like, okay. Change it up. You know? So I think that's been a I think that's the thing. So that's that has everything that has we do a lot of breathing heat. Nice. Because his other thing is like active recovery, people go, I'm I'm have a day off. It's like, okay. So what are you going to do to actively recover not just take the day off? So I think he's you know. Been really into that. But so active recovering. Meaning you do some breathing or something mellow so that you can participate in helping the body actually recover not just sit around, but how much is that like doing something physical as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing? I think it's I think it makes a huge difference. Because I don't think it's about I have the tax my my dreams or my nervous system or any of that. I think it's okay, I'm gonna take a very, you know, a in yoga class. So the poses are long. It won't be like necessarily a high flow class or I'm going to do multiple series of heat. Nice. Like some days he'll go and just do three rounds in the sauna and three rounds on the ice. Or I'm gonna do thirty five or forty five minutes, breathing, you know, recovery breathing things like that to really oxygen it the tissue in the cells and things like that. So I think it's just kind of looking at what a day off looks like and making that something that you participate in in. In supporting the recovery. Not just I laid around. Now having said that there are days were after you're done with that. Yeah. Great lay around like go to sleep early. Eat. Extra more calories. Whatever you need to do. But I think active recovery even riding a bike. Flushing the system things like that. I think people think, you know, off means like nothing, and I think doing something or for certain athletes, like maybe get a massage that day that might be the best thing, you know. So I think for him. It's feeling it out. Do you guys use any electron IX in terms of apps or heart rate monitors or anything along those lines not too too much? I used to use a fifth bit. Layered uses a ox, oxen, X, oxen, meter oxidizer to like if he does breathing to CV can get himself to L to tude. So he'll use that to measure and things like that. But I think once you do something really really long time, you sort of go in my end, the edge or aren't I? He'll use electronic more for speed and distance. He'll put it on his boards and be like, okay. We went X miles. And the peak speed was whatever fifty miles an hour. So he'll use it more for that to to measure distance on how many miles he wrote each day on the water, but not necessarily micromanaging electronially all the metrics. Now, having said that if you were an athlete where? Little seconds here. And there made a difference. Maybe would right or, you know, checking your heart rate and things like that. But not not too often. No. Yeah. I would think that like things like hurried variability finding out if you're recovering correctly. Not your your heart rate varies in the morning right at a day. But yeah, that makes a big difference between if you're if you're doing something like Michael Phelps or something like that was trying to think so our track athletes where it's all these milliseconds. I think for Larry it's like I feel good today. And I'm going to go. There's a lot more natural. It's more natural thing. Isn't it those days like you go? I am. I'm tired today. Then I'll just kind of do the best. I can. But I think I understand wanting to measure things and also serves saying I feel tired because there's an interesting thing of feeling tired physically, but you're actually emotionally tired because if you look at your metrics on your physical, you have a lot more to give. And so it's kinda then checking in. And then saying well what's going on for me? I'm usually more tired personally that I am physically. My sense, you know, like, especially with your eleven year old giving you shit. Rhody. She's awesome. She's so, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I could be wiped out. I could train for an hour. And I could hang out with Brody thirteen minutes in the car, and she's the Victor like, you know, her foots on my hip, and he's standing in the pose. And that has been my less that's one of my many lessons ongoing lessons is like. You can't you cannot go at everything had on. And I've learned that certainly being in a marriage. I I developed a little bit of finesse, and and as a apparent just kind of going like, I'm here to love you. I'm here to support you, and I'm also going to recognize that, you know, you're probably not going to always do it hardly ever. Actually the way. I I think you should or I want you to. So what made you guys start putting together the coffee and the super food supplements? And all that Jackson really what happened is layered used to. He's been in as far as long as I've known him. He's had coffee come from all around. He's have coffee freak. And then what happened is Paul check. I dunno sixteen years ago gave him g in his coffee and the two of those animals would be like down in the coffee. Well, getting all jacked up on caffeine. And I'd be standing in the gym waiting for them being like, oh my God. Like hanging out with these two. You know for the next two hours ramped up on on a fatten and coffee, which is basically the Dave Asprey concept of like yak butter tea, and you know, fat and things like that. So the bulletproof concepts so lair used to start to mess around with elements to add to the caffeine for the performance. And then we had a guy that we work with. I think for about three years he'd we'd have guys come over. And they built who can make me one of those coffees and after a while they'd start sending me emails like, well, how much coconut how much this and how much did he put in and our friend Paul was like d- mine if I try to put it together in a formula. And I was like, yeah. Whatever and it wasn't with the intention of having a business. And then before you know, it it came out. And so then we have like original Creamer with unsweetened. There's two Merick. There's hydrate products. You know, it's all based on things that layered really eats and uses and mushroom blends that I actually put that's how I do my coffee in the mornings, I put that in and do that. So, you know, that's another good example of like if you're doing something because you really believe in it, and really and that business has. We're really fortunate. It's we have a factory in sisters, Oregon, and they built another one and from. Wow. Yeah. No. It's we have. No like, they do everything that no co packing partners. We do it. And now we're looking into farming ingredients and doing a drying factory. So we can do that. And put that into the product and things like that. So I don't know. I think it it started from genuine passion. And and and came into that. And you know, I always say to like, I started I was playing volleyball at eight, you know, in college at seventeen and then I started working and was doing other jobs by eighteen or nineteen but layered his path has been really different. And and really he didn't get inserting people like they knew maybe new Hillard was you sort of always on the outside. But then it's it's really he was like thirty five years old when someone from the outside went, oh, that's kind of cool. So thirty five would be considered old. I think for an athlete, and I think it's somebody who thought I I have. Something inside me telling me to go forward. And I think that I feel that same way like people said to me like, well, why did you do this? Or that I go because I could feel an inside. It's like, you know, that from what you do because you've done a lot of different things and. And just kind of not only trying to develop that. But try to trust it and say, even though I've I've. You know? I don't see it. All clearly right now, I feel it, and I'm gonna just keep following that feeling and it doesn't always lead to some grand destination. But maybe that those lessons, and that place lead you to the next which could be, you know, the place that brings you other things. So yeah, these businesses are just a natural byproduct of our lifestyle. But it's pretty great. It's pretty awesome. Great stuff. I didn't start drinking coffee tos Forty-five. Really? Yeah. Because I- Laird we like the because I think he was like try this one and try that and try this I like to caffeine. I just wasn't into coffee. How would you take it? Like, your Bomani, AT and stuff get jacked up on. That's up that stuff you ever drink thoughts. Stuff. Go straight to whatever you're doing. Because I have a year Montaigne. I'm like, it's you get your stuff, you're in the car, you have your bags. Let's go and there's like Jimmy year Bramante like you're crazy person. So and now I've switched the caffeine with the fats. But I I like it. I like the business aspect of it, quite frankly, like for me, that's interesting to you guys have been cool stuff. Well, thank you. For your great on podcasts. Do you do podcast? I had a podcast with Neil Strauss. Did you stop doing it? Yeah. Neal's a busy guy, and we had your own. We did it in the sauna we called the tooth barrel. That's what it was called. We were literally in this on inner bathing suits, because our group when we get together, we were we would sit in the sauna, and, you know, this if you have friends over you go, hey, you know, what I'm having problems? Okay. We got eight minutes because in two hundred degrees. Like, let's get into it. You're half naked. So you're sort of there you are. And so I got an invitation to do a podcast in. So I saw Neil. And I are so very very different like, really different. And I thought it'd be more interesting to have us with our points of view. Because then you also realize that as different as we are is we're really looking for the same things we're trying to figure out love. We're trying to be parents were trying to work take care of ourselves age. Whatever all stuff, you're navigating. And so we did that for like a year and a half. It was a lot of fun and people like in their in their bathing suits, sweating at my house in the Asana in the truth barrel because that's what we always called it. You can't lie in the sauna. But they're only like ten minutes long. Now, we would we would open the door. But I try to turn it way down because Leonard has are saunas to twenty two twenty I go in there to cook to. No, it's exactly right. But if you couple with ice, you're sort of grateful for the to twenty so I would turn it. I try to turn it down to like one twenty and inevitably the next day when it was our real life Sonning lords like who's been messing with the dial and my sauna, you know, it's like this whole thing. And I'm like, well we were shooting. We can't sit in there for an hour. You see people? They're like can I go out and they jump in the pool and come comeback in. This is really fun. I liked it. Because there's. Something like you just get right to it. Right. Well, why don't you just do it on your own? You know, Joe, I listened to your podcast a lot. And I think to myself. Very few people can do what you do. I think it's really important to not only like recognize when someone does something really well because everyone thinks I could do that. It's like, no, you can't actually. And so for me, I'm very curious about people. And you know, I used to do a lot of TV where I'd interview athletes like that was more interesting to me than being interviewed. Because that's how you learn like you go. Okay. How do you do it? I know how I do it. I don't need to know that I need to know what you're doing. And I just think it's it does interest me. But I would want to do it. Right. And not just assume like you can do it. Because to do it, really. Well is it's a special talent. I just had a lot of practice. Go back to the early ones. They sucked just just get better out. Yeah. No, I get that too. But I think it's just knowing I think this is important in all things in life because we like something not not maybe for me because I do really like this is just because we like something doesn't mean we have to do that too. Right. Like, I think it's still like drilling down on. You know, what do you wanna do like? Because when I hear you go from a comedian till like scientists physicists to you know, it's like it shows your genuine passions in all these areas. And that's what's interesting. I mean, I always want to talk about like, how do you get it done? I'm so interested in how people if they can arrive at any place where there's a sense of like joy moving in and out of their life and self care. And because I think when people talk about health and fitness or wellness. I think they're off the Mark about what it really. He is. I think for me what I've learned is like. I train and eat. Well, just so I have a fighting chance to support any kind of happiness, and it isn't just about like, I'm ripped not me. But like the notion of what people are putting out there that fitnesses. It's like, that's all great. But if you still haven't figured out some of these other things as a person, it's like, I don't know it seems like you're wrestling the wrong things. So I'm always really interested in and also. Not only how they get it done. But also not making it seem like it's so easy. You know? It's like when people I always joke like people do interviews, and they go how are your children? Oh my God. They're amazing. And I'm like, my kids are amazing too. And they, you know, crush our balls on daily basis, and isn't that everybody's house. You know, people say to me, I mean, do you ever fight? I mean, we have and we haven't always had perfect. You know, like there's been times where it was like, maybe we're not gonna stay together. And I guess for me that would be really interesting is to communicate in a way. That's like it's not gratuitous. But at least like, hey, you're being kind of honest about like what it is. You know? And and and now like, I'm almost fifty it's like even aging like having a having a realistic, but good conversation about like, hey, how's that going? You know, not like, I feel great. I do feel great. I do. I feel great. I'm sure you do. But there days where you you go. Oh, time a real human times moving. I said sometimes I said that to Larry because you know, you don't wanna be that wife toilet goal te'o. It's like he doesn't notice. You know what? I mean. I said today it was funny. I had a thing. Like, I realized like time's moving and he goes. Because he knows what that means. And I'm sparing him that whole conversation because that's like a girlfriend conversation, not not one that you have with your partner. I think it's important to like, you know, go down the hole with them on other things. I do observe that. Sometimes I look outside and go. Yeah. This is not a conversation. You wanna have with Laird save that for, you know, your your girlfriend. You have so much to say, I think it's like a natural progression for you to do another podcast for due to your own. I don't know so much bouncing around. I'm so boring. Boy, no, I swear to God, I feel like, you know, probably because you think about yourself so much. You're probably annoyed that you thinking about yourself. Fix this and change that and adapt here and evolve their, you know, if you really paying attention to why it was even decent athlete is is like I was just trying to. I was just trying to get it. And I know is a human. We can never get it. Right. And that's a moving target. But I feel like the pursuit of trying to be ones bestself in the is is probably worth spending some time on you, you you appreciate your existence more. I think when you are on that path. I think so and I think I think especially when you had the opportunity also to do a lot of really cool stuff almost think it becomes a responsibility because you're not fighting certain fights like certain battles. You don't even like, I don't have to I have three jobs, but I chose three jobs. It's not like you're just make trying to survive like those people. It's like, hey, I get it. But I feel like if you go like, hey, I got to do that. And this and this. It's like, yeah. Cool. What are you doing like what what else are you gonna do? You know, I think that that becomes. A worthy task. And and also like I'm trying to stay in my I'm trying to stay married. I'm trying to be decent mom things. Like that. And so that takes probably some work, but does, but I really think that there's value in expressing that. And you yes, I do. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of people are agreeing right now like to podcast what it is. This is what my ultimate hope would be instead somehow, and this is I think why I love your your show because I hear it over and over, and you don't say it per se of saying it, but it's they're always in an underlying way, it's like power and love always like be your most bad ourself. All the time that you can have fun kick ass, and maybe kind like for me, those are the ultimate because every all the people that I see where I'm like, oh, they could kick your ass and love you. You know, I think that's really powerful. I mean, I respond to that. Because it, you know. It feels important right now. I think you're absolutely right. I think this is a good way to end this. Okay. It's do it Mahala. So thank you. Thanks for being here. I really appreciate it enjoyed it. Thank you. 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#1190 - Joey Diaz

The Joe Rogan Experience

3:27:33 hr | 2 years ago

#1190 - Joey Diaz

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Jerry. I said that once you clean for twenty nine days without smoking Reefer. That's it why go back. Yeah. I like it. No. If I thought in cleaned from re for twenty nine days, I go I'd let my lungs fucking Neil from the abuse. I have inflicted on them. The last dirty fucking. What about edibles what about spray personal jumbo spray? First of all I haven't had another bowl since like, I broke it in Boston September twenty nine so out of respect for so Bronco. But I didn't do another. I haven't done that bulls eye. Something was wrong with my stomach. So I figured out. I was lactose intolerant. Lactose intolerant. Fuck it. Eat much cheese milk. I'm far up, you know, it's fast. So I had to cut that out of my diet. No much. Jeez. Light on the American cheese now. No, Swiss no, more no Cuban sandwiches. Really fucking crazy. And then I had to cut out the edibles give me a with feeling. Why just gone just gone somewhere else that didn't like the hunger issues of the munchies the hunger issues after eleven o'clock, which just monstrous like here. I am working hard to lose weight. I'd stick to it. And then I go home I start with an apple another apple mama man, another banana, then you gotta bust out the salami sandwich with the fuck are, you know, it was just getting bad. I cannot control. It cannot uncontrollable the hunger from edibles every minute after eleven o'clock. The me was uncontrollable or you get blitzkrieg. You don't just get like. No. And it starts early. It was starting early two in the afternoon. Then Bob another tool. It's fucking six. Do you like vaporizing? No, no, just smoking. I if I play your lungs tape is at a hotel. Started in the morning while I'm having coffee in my hotel room writing my notes for the thoughts of the day because I don't wake up with hunger. She that was my problem. All those years, I would need to one. If you wanna be a fat. Fuck don't eat till one when you wake up because then you gotta make up with the rest of the day. So now, I have to force myself. The what do you mean? Because a lot of you guys like the fasting. I can't live with that money mean my shit goes up and down my blood pressure. My blood sugar. So I get nev- intimate and fast, but in the old days because up and I'd wake up speedy still I wouldn't eat breakfast. But I'd start eating at one or two o'clock and would not stop fucking during the morning. You saw me I beat those pink dot sandwiches. Like, they were none too Meatball sandwiches, the twelve o'clock because I wouldn't eat breakfast. I forced myself to eat, you know, for years was eating every six hours. You're supposed to eat. A small portion, you know, what I'm saying? So that's what people would think I got a breakfast. And I could eat to yolks a piece of toast and fruit and I'm good like for so Brockton by gave up bacon. I only two pieces of bacon. It's five points on Weight Watchers. That's all I'm allowed. But at least I'm allowed to pieces of bacon. Too. Busy Megan's all you really need to let me tell you some greedy. When I was four eighteen between you and I my wife who's from the south would make the whole packet of Oscar Mayer, Seneca bacon. The whole pack every morning that was my breakfast. Eat the whole back in the whole package with three eggs a half a loaf. A one to bread and butter and a sixteen ounce coke the boot a coke on top of it. Oh, yeah. I could drink two cokes for breakfast. Oh member I grew up in east coast, and I call it a bad habit early on that the my mother died. I caught I didn't I would need it home. I would leave and that the deli. I went on remember when fucking cream cheese and jelly on a on a roll was big. Oh, yeah. You know, what that does to your system Claire cheese and jelly for breakfast. I I used to open up with cream cheese and jelly on a poppy seed, roll would a sixteen ounce coke for breakfast the ears, and how was in shape that that's the thing. You know, you can't live member that nobody each cream cheese and jelly for breakfast. On a roll cream cheese and jelly, no. Because people know better now in jersey and those Diner's those. Those bran muffins, you're going. Get those bran muffins, they put him on the grill with butter on 'em. Good googly Mugabe. All my goodness. You just shop. Now. I got I got a young I'm gonna brand muffling raisins in it. And which I have no butter and nothing, but they cut him in half on the east coast. Those east coast breakfast is wa Rable how long have you been doing this Weight Watchers thing now since December ninth. So almost a year, but eleven months now Yesh Bill Munson ish. There's dirty. That's nice, and that's a good way over that amount of time because it's graduate. I didn't the only week. I missed my fitness goes, I have to have seventy two points of activity and only missed it one time, flew, what's the point of activity. How do you what do you get? So I go to me tie at nine. I only really it's an hour class. I only put thirty minutes down and tied training. If we do circuit training with a ball of rope. And shit. Then I put whatever the amount if aid stations at thirty seconds of station, you are heart monitor anything or no auto hit. Listen, I don't wanna hear to see you know, when I had that fucking here infection. I used to have to work out with your plugs on and I get high and go throw psychics for Jesus you don't know what life is when you had the ear infection. The earplugs kept your equilibrium. Inbound would keep swept going in my ear. Oh, you don't know what life is when you work and you can hear your heartbeat, but he won't pull them that's trippy shit. Ever lasts has a ticker. He's got an artificial valve and he puts the microphone up to his chassis here. No. I don't wanna hear that shit. Sixty minutes, sixty minutes view drippy. I'm there for what did he say? Like eighteen years. I think. Yeah. Hit a heart attack a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Valve yet. But if I was clean of we've had twenty nine days. I might as well go for it for at least a year. Yeah. Let's make that one. Then. Marijuana just make a comeback just to see. What would it be like? So hey wanting to did happen last year when we did sober October. And I took a month off when I started back again. I get nervous real nervous. He's scared to do it. And I'd go on stage. I feel real strange. Somebody once told me a great woman once told me that if you think getting high and life is weird with you stop getting high, and it's a different fucking adventure. And she has a lot of aspects. I called you one October second one that I got home from the comedy store. You know, when you get home from the original dog, especially when you it was one of those nights when I went in there, and I was Rockley by bar. I just touch gloves, and I measured and I started going to the fifteen minutes. I remember driving up low canyon going going to do it myself. And I went almost like I told the second it was eleven thirty. And I started smoking Reefer to calm down a little bit. And I went down. I started with sign of the times by prince I just left on auto play. And it just took me into a fall in cave ended up on beautiful ones. When he starts saying. Do you want him? And I called you up. I might. This is why can't do so Brock Tober. Yeah. Because I get so high and might the come down off stage, and you're gonna stage you need something since I don't drink. I'm scared to come up that hill drinking. I have to smoke Reefer to come down at night and music. That's the only thing that comes down at night do right at night after your sets. I write about what happened. Yeah. I try to route. How lucky I am. I'm still performing at the store fifty five. I write about the the bag of decks, but I'll get them tomorrow. And I you know, like, whatever whatever just is flowing through my head while I have music on. I'm drinking water, and I'm just I'll go on the back and fucking Toca fucking twenty two hits off a bike. And I love listening to music at night. That's my hobby thing to like when you get out of the store. It's a thing to sit yourself down and make yourself work. And right. You know because you like I'm done. I did it got a good set in. I'm good. But that's the best time to ride. I think everything's popping while go home and make corrections. Maybe I said. Fuck too early. Or maybe I said that meshing said it, but no I won't try to ride it night. I'm gone at night might drive unless something's really I think my brand is shot at night 'cause it because you did your did your stand got ramped up to stand up playing with the fucking kid. You know, did a podcast talk to people all day about shit that doesn't matter by ninth. I like the I like to get up I play with mercy. I talked to my wife to a protein shake, I'll drop mercy off I'll go home, and then I go to the coffee shop and for thirty minutes. I'll call my peeps. In jersey check in and then I'll get eggs at the coffee. Shop bacon. Once my breakfast is gone. I write my thought page down for the day diet tech my Pat up, and I either write a chapter in the book. I try to write toys the book. And while I'm writing the book you write in the book right in trying. I'm trying how long have you been doing this twenty two fucking years? Joe rogan? Twenty two fucking years. You know, but I forced myself and with the ipad, you know, this whole thing on a whole writing thing. So I just try and that chapter off and go to another document and click onto post net, flicks material. And then I got a thing that we're we're gonna immigrant mentality. So I think about that I'll go to that. So now, my that's all great. I think just doing that exercise. Every day is good for me. I don't need to write comedy every day. I'd rather just go down to the store throw some out there and fucking get excited. And like, I told you I'm not going anywhere else. No, more Los Angeles. I'm going back to the store. No, improv spots, especially after I shot, the Netflix special and everything it all came to me after that that ten year, especially after she died, you know, people go like an acting class and people refer to Stanislavsky all his shit ten years from now people are gonna be referring to the Mitzi short technique. There was something that every I was talking to Duncan it by I talked to RA about it. I know she said something to us at one point that we will. Wow. Something I was telling us. I my podcast that there was a time. She didn't like you doing that in a co bit. And the man. Swin? Let me do. In the original fucking crazy. Is that that's the show. You a genius in a way. Like she was like Joe you can let yourself on fire originally. I don't give a fuck. But in the maybe you can't do that. Because you killing my room like the comics afterward just could not follow it like they could just not follow it that wasn't right up. It it was about brilliant. But it think about it. There's no good versions of that bit anywhere. This one version that I did that's up on you. It's terrible. It's terrible version that that there's no solid versions of that bit. But that bit was right. When that guy died j Howard Marshall. Assault him getting Anna, Nicole Smith addition to him before he died. The office. You take him money. I don't give a fuck. I wanna get my balls leg a satellite. Mitzi didn't like it too. Because she didn't like bits that were making fun of old people because you know, her health was deteriorating to she. There was a couple of bits. She didn't like. Picture him. He's a million years old and she's hot as the sun. And she's. I look at the smile on his face dog. Yeah. Oh, man. I loved him. I love that whole scene. Unloved? What it was I love because it was so blatant. You know, it was just so blatant. But she didn't like that bit. She didn't like the Hugh Hefner bid either. She didn't like that bit those when you have to told those she's gives an Jesus Christ. He's in a wheelchair. Why? She's marrying him. I mean, it was a damn classic that that that that scene of him in her getting married. She's so young and so hot and he's so old wrecked. And richest fuck in a wheelchair. It's such a classic scenario. It was so good. You. Call the Kentucky Fried hook. I had him car Kentucky. If she wanted that money show to do shit keep shit, and then that's yeah. He's calling father. He's gone, and he wakes up. It's time to lick my. It's time. Yeah. Man. I just love the fact that that guy was that wealthy and yet still I mean, I guess when you're that. Well, what was he at that time more than a billion dollars who's a billionaire oil magnate? Right. Wasn't. He. I don't think she got the money though. I think the kids fought her. Hundred million what that's peanuts. Doug and Colston's daughters. Now, the fourth richest woman in the US. Oh, I doubt says thirty seven billion though. Clo. Coke brothers. Oh, I see. I see he was sixty nine th on the list. Oh, but fourth richest woman, do you know out of the richest women in the world, Google the richest women in the world like where they got their money from. It's rough rough out there guys. Then they fuck it starting businesses. Then marry a dummies. Exactly, it's almost all of his divorce almost all of its divorced money. Feminists do not want to hear this. But there was one woman who was the richest woman ever from a startup company. Elizabeth what it was her name from the rannells was what was her name. Elizabeth something. Not smith. What was it? Something homes, Elizabeth homes. She had ran a company called Sarah knows. She started herself dropped out of college to start this company, and it was a total fraud. It was all fraudulent. She's going to jail forever. She was with thirty four billion dollars at one point. It was a blood testing company, and what it was was. They just take a pricky blood instead of taking a bunch of your blood. You get a your blood drawn. Her thing was like, let's just be able to take a prick of the blood just a little tiny prickly. He'd go to store get pickier blood. And they're going to be able to do a battery test on you and find out what's going on promos. It didn't fuck at work, and they falsified all sorts of data, and they lied to investors and all sorts of shit this lady, she's addressed like Steve Jobs. She wore a black turtleneck and everything and I saw her speak once here coz, Elizabeth homes indicted on fraud of the Gotcha. With the fuck and pop up add New York air. She is she's going to. Sale. She's fucked I want, but she was she was at one point in time. The richest self made person in the world richest self made woman in the world. She was worth billions of dollars shit people. Do I watch it? Then the down crazy at he'd remember crazy Eddie his prices are in Sadie and crazy Eddie we'll tell everybody who crazy. Eddie was crazy Eddie was a guy that had stores in all five boroughs of New York wholesale outlets. T- zeros TV's and everything like that. I thought I was watching them MBC greed. They have a series called grace. Give us here. This fucker. Telephones telephone answering machine anything you'd everything at hold entertainment. Remember, we are this only will not be undersold. We the cold. And we it on the field encountering crazy. Eddie during crazy. Crystal outlets. Getting now is price. Prices. And he's wearing a Santa Claus Alphen. He's fucking crazy with fake snow in the background. He fucking like just he like ended out of the park. Didn't he go to Israel? He went high to flee. But the most brilliant thing he did was he took you don't don't fuck in. Check fact me on this. He took either his nap, Hugh, his son-in-law somebody that he was related to blood put them through college. So he can get a job at the IRS. So they could figure out how to rob from the IRS. This is how fucking saying this guy was I'm watching this diet and how they got crazy, right? Crazy Eddie fled after he started just buying boxes. You know, how you let me years ago, you you'd be driving a New York, and there was some guy selling stereo speakers. Yeah. Then you take them home, and it was two bricks. Yep. Well, he did the same thing to invest this. He took boxes filled them up with bricks and just stock them in a warehouse. And then he went public. So he got everybody come down and look at all his inventory, and all these fact checkers that checking boxes bricks in them. And he had I mean five fucking warehouses all around they were all fake, and he got all this money. He fled to Israel, and he fled for a while. But they knew he was a pussy hound. Right. So the guy that's Kabbah got him. Like, you know on the phone like, I'm going to start something crazy. And what they did was they put a blonde on the side of the road with a mini skirt. And they knew eventually he would drive by stop. No, he stopped. That's how they mail them. What is the did you go to the richest woman in the world where they got their money from? His art is a fad parabas sciatic weans Long Island. And he had commercials. He was the first one that pushed the commercial barrier lay made fun commercials. I miss an him. Like, I'm as had the pimp with a bunch of his hose that would go. Did you hear what my man said this morning, really? Yeah. We had a bunch of those crazy Eddie had the best one. He had Frankenstein Dracula and the Wolfman peanut the peanut the men's Lear missed the Imus thing because I came in like, I remember I found out about Imus because Howard Stern was talking shit about him. And I was like who is this. I'm aski-. I miss was around when I was. Wade late already. I missed was to fucking king of New York when I was eight nine I'm as come on the morning and talk shit when I saw him. He was wearing like a turquoise one of those weird ties those bolo ties that like Cowboys wearing he had a fuck and cowboy hat on and his whole studio was done like a like the west. It was real weird. Yeah. He got with at the end, but it was really cowboy boots and shit. Young rancher you don't fuck. India AM radio show from New York City this fucked up and they'll pay them. I mean, he was on for a while. He said nappy headed hos and they're like cut. He called people Naby tried to compete with stern. Right. That's what it was. Wasn't it something it was definitely some of that. He was you know, he was trying to be outrageous. Even before stern. I believe it just wasn't at the same level. Stearns outrageousness was nationwide. Imus was really like an east coast thing. Like people knew about him in New York. I never heard about him in New York or in Boston. But I'd heard about stern we all knew about stern. But nobody nobody really knew about like it never made it there, you know. And then when I came to New York, it was at the end when stern was already the king. And I must was just sort of like this guy that hated and I was like who is this. I'm man who's Imus guy. And then they had a TV show for awhile. And then during the TV show we'd see him in the studio. And it was, you know, no disrespect, but it was really fucking boring. It was boring. Like there was no life to them like their opinions. Weren't that? Interesting was him. There was another guy. Hi, there that looks like it was just waiting for to ring yet. He's waiting to go home. And then there was a woman that was with them. Who was it was there was no life in the room. Like, you watch the stern show. There'd be midget shooting bottle rockets out of their assholes porn stars riding dildos that it was chaos. There was plastic all the grounds girls would be squirting. It was just madness. Like, no one ever not that. That's good or bad. But it was it was exciting. Like, you're driving to work in the morning. You hearing some girl freaking out because he's riding on some fuck that Scipion thing he'd make girls right on. Like it was madness. So that that look you'd never heard anything like that on the radio before. So then you'd hear about Imus in a rural water, we got hurt or warning. Was you heard it holds all like, let's HI just be at the end was just it was in comparison. It was so it was dead. It was like it was dry, and I sent on stern. Flava flav the one time on stern. I mean, there's so many rates starts do already was. So great Artie was the best party was fucking may have you listened to an old already when when he had just gotten off the subway. He just shot heroin away. I'd sunglasses on you falsely fucking insane. And he said like that they encouraged him, you know. But man, you what are you going to do when guys like that you're going to help them? If you help the problem with people that are that fucked up is the only thing that ever helps them is themselves. The only thing it's like they have to hit rock bottom. And then they have to decide they're going. They're going to do something about it. But when you do get a lot of love for being fucked up that his kind of a problem because you do start to think this is my thing. My thing is being fucked up guy people love me when I'm fucked up. This is what I do and you can follow into that Belushi had the same problem. Yup. Other guy. God rest his soul had the same problem this niche, you fall into I'm a pizza Paula when I was a kid. His name was Nick D Greek fucking tremendous pizza, even though he was Greek like, we let it. Sly? He put the Sicilian by the window. And it was the flies land on it. It was like the airport for the flies. They were laying we would break his ball's neck, but I'm in my one hundred quail one night fucked up to the gills with vomit all of my shirt and every time he'd see me. Call me fucking Belushi. That's blue she almost died. There was any would have for years he called me flocking Belushi. And it isn't that a kid who had a bad the call him. I told her commanding like, yeah. Nicknames for us. But that's a weird bothered me. After a while. He would call me Belushi. And when Belushi died it really started bothering me my next he would call me Belushi to my face, the it is fucking Belushi. Well, I was fucked up. I wanna to the Quayle opened up the red pepper and threw it at him. But I used to sell them jewelry like, I would sell them stolen. Jimmy and Nick with tight. Nick was the pizza Pala fifty yards from the high school, and you could run a tab with Nick. And Nick used to I used to give Nick jewelry, and he would look at mainly go speak. How much do you think that's worth because jewelry was eight hundred an ounce at that time gold, and I would bring him jewelry. He would look at it. And then take giving money and put it in one of his pockets from his the front apron. So today's land I'd go in go neck, let me use your bathroom. I go in there and stick Miami apron, take the jewelry back, and then we go back to Nick how much of the ring he looked at me. And he was racist. As fuck like, the the quality Belushi a spec to face like it did matter. There was a kid. You know, this is on Kennedy boulevard. This is a big boulevard. And there was a kid that would come in. Then I'm still DEA friends with that his family had money, and he would go in there and buy a slice of pizza, but he would cross the street because the ice tea across the street was a dime. Jeep my morning, iced. He came in those fucking cardboard milk card. Boy. Yeah, he would always cross the street so nickel be having a conversation. And it's like what's going on? And also he'd go west, and we go he went across the street to get the ice cream. He would flock in flip out he'd run from behind the counter run onto county boulevard. Hundreds of people be out there. And I he yell at the kid, Tony you flock in ju. You fuck you fuck through it was a Jewish. He was a talented. He was just cheap and shit like that. And since you got to be pretty cheap to run across the street. It was forty five cents for the ice tea. But it asked what is it was thirty five cents you work string. Then the hash ways. Deli was great because the mother was losing the head. So time got a sandwich. You get a little piece of Han. You so you get you wouldn't get here you go, MS ash air. Everything had a little piece of air in the macaroni. And yeah. Eight it gave a fuck. It was tremendous. She made the best roast beef on Ryan the world. But every in fact, the whole family to her and the sun will lose the head, and I learned from her son like his son lives losing his head. But he couldn't control his emotions about he went to everything show. He did the fucking stitches he would spray paint his head. He was one of those guys that had like he tried. But the head just kept falling out. He had male pattern. Whatever we were kids. The the mom had to the mom had something in the house. I don't know what it was a good dad had it in the brother had it and fucking everything. You got to have a little piece of hair. Whatever you got always if you didn't get you like beat going, MS hats. Did you say to her face while we used to torture? All we love MRs Hayes, dude, where losing his hair, it's it's fucking devastating. But a woman losing her hair way, more devastating. There's something about a women women women losing their hair. He kills them really hard, so sad. Yeah. I've seen women lose their hair. It's it's awful. You know, they get alopicia Allah, peaches, we like you could lose your browse. You know, people lose their eyebrows looks like sometimes shit just starts falling off. I had there's a singer. There's a popular singer in a band. He's got a piece, and I just saw it they bust. The mouse thirty years later, you didn't know that was a wig, even then. And I knew about him growing up. He would just lose his head. You know from time to time guys eyelashes, they lose everything that's fucked up gray Jolla. Yeah. And I'm getting older. Like, my hairline is receding, but my lines getting bushier. Eyebrows. Eyebrows. Crazy, I they're getting bushier shit. It's driving at night. And there's something my vision. I gotta go home, and I got a fucking chap eyebrow second satellite. I asked my wife. Don't you? See this shit old guys like old Scottish guys old Irish guys got us guys fucking caterpillars grown there. Does I got no hair on my legs? I got minimal hair my shoulders. I got no hair on my back. I'm in your arms, nothing. I got Hannah grows out of my ears. This time sick acute dip in my ear. And like could hear the twisting my fuck. You know, what that's like, my eyebrows. Brogan bush's. Fuck I gotta bring scissors with me on the road trip mind cause and you're in your mirror at home. You don't see this shit on the road would light a whole room? Like fuck and had grown out of my nose. Did you find about the women with the investments lean do cO? Good from Newsweek in July. Okay. What does it say? It's a great here. Upper echelons of money and power, blah, blah, blah. According to Forbes world's fifteen wealthiest people are men women only make ten percent of the top one hundred separate wealthiest women the world most of their money comes from their male relatives or husbands. Yeah. The top ten wealthiest men may the fortunes themselves now who the top ten wealthiest woman that from divorce here the girl. Oprah's got a second. Yeah. She's up there. The first self made woman on the list is while I don't know how to say this woman's name Z H U. That's one word Q U N F E zoo Quin fee who was born to a poor family of China dropped out of school at sixteen. She went onto found in enormously successful technology company. But if you put men back into the equation, she's only one hundred ninety eighth richest person in the world. No matter how you feel about the concept of few people hoarding enormous wealth, the notion that women can only excess in power through their families or husbands. Seems medieval at best yet. We see it occur at the very top of many professions outside of the business world. Yes. Most people can you read the next. Yeah. A recent high profile examples Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign, the first female major party nominee. She campaigned on a ticket of empowerment yet. Although she is accomplished in her own, right? She entered politics as the wife of Bill Clinton and is undoubtedly benefited from his prestige and connections. Well, that's true. Money. I believe you to read that she was a lawyer. And a you know, she was a Senator now Oprah's up as richest women period like that amazed on there. That's a weird thing because they're saying I'm not a big fan of Hillary Clinton. But by saying she definitely entered because she was you know, she was married to him. But she was a lawyer. I mean, she's she's an accomplished person. She's she's educated accomplish. Who's a Senator? I don't think that makes sense. I hate when people say to like, they know what you at the right place at the right time pitch jumped and you jumped. Yeah. You jumped bitch. So that's the problem. I'm not mad at nobody. You can't say she got into. Yeah. She may be a little help push here or call here. But she jumped there's a great book. I'm reading right now. It's called outliers by Malcolm McDowell it's fucking great. And it's all about what makes people successful. And why there were successful? And there are a lot. Factors men. There's a lot of factors in when you were born like what a lot of it. He goes on about hockey players about professional hockey players that almost all of them were born at a certain time. So that they were at the end of the age cutoff. So like say if you between ten and eleven when you go into what does that fifth grade, you're if you're one of the oldest kids, you have a way better chance of being successful at hockey because your body's more mature than whether you're one of the youngest kids that goes into sixth grade. So with your fifth grader sixth grade like what year you were born is a big factor. So the kids that were born later so that they're older rather the kids that are older when they enter into the fifth grade or sixth grade, they're like across the board unanimously all the top level professionals were all older kids in younger grades. So that they're playing against smaller kids. They get more time. They're better. So they get more coaching to get more hours playing. There's a lot of factors because a lot of factors in like one of the things about Bill Gates that there's a whole great chapter on Bill Gates and about when Bill Gates was young the the school that he went to had a computer class that allowed him to do coding. And then he got into the university of Washington. They would let him get into their computer room from three AM to six AM. They had this open block so him and his friends would sneak into that place at three o'clock in the morning. So all these all these different factors that lead to someone being like super successful. It's not just that you work hard it. Sometimes you get these weird advantages in life. There's a bunch of things like for sure. Hard work plays a factor. Have you don't do nothing? You just sit around, and whoa is me and cry and and think the world's fucked. You're not going anywhere. But the people that make it to the very top the Bill. Gates, Steve Jobs. They have a bunch of things going for them. It's not just hard work. It's also circumstance fortune where they are, you know, who's around them who who encourages them. This is a bunch of time they were born in. What what age they were when certain things happened in the world. There's a bunch of actors, but for all those chicks just marrying the right, dude. Divorced getting. I know lady who just got. Aid from a divorced, and she's just shoot and shit interface. Bagging twenty year olds now to Larry's she's in her late forties. Banging twenty year old dudes. How roughness? The funny man to cut that check. The guy. Yeah. I've known guys I knew a guy who he cut a check for somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty million dollars to his ex. I know. Oh, thirty grand a month. G. Dirty grand a month know, a couple of guys pay that was that was not beside the half million up front. Oh, yeah. How sip too 'cause like he just walked away? I know goes paying close to that. And he hasn't even seen his wife. He's been married to a new woman a different woman for fourteen years. At least. Yeah. Fourteen years, and he was only married to that lady for twelve and he's still cutting checks and no kids. He's got kids with the new woman the old woman. No kids. Still Kutner fat checks tries to bring it to court try to reduce the amount of money. She fights him to now. You bet you left me. He left her fourteen fucking years ago, man, they're willing to give their for twelve years. It's like she doesn't wanna work is he fucked or saw can't work anymore. It's crazy. If it was a man if the situation was reversed and a guy was dating a girl, and they were dating for twelve years. And she was like, I'm tired of this. I'm gonna go fuck some new, dude. And the guy took her to court got money from her and wanted money still fourteen years later, what kind of a fucking man would that be a get a job? Go do something with your life. You're a human being you met another human being you spend some time with them. They don't want to be with you anymore. It's over like this. There's no there's no children. He wait till the Josie you want your lifestyle right lifestyle. You're accustomed to maintain my lifestyle judge I like to buy nice purses to walk my little dog. I like to put them in a little little purse now in California's different factors. Also, you have to be with that person for ten years or something, right? Factors. Couple of the ways this this factors, and they change depending upon the laws, and they they change depending upon how much money you make. You know, my friend was pretty wealthy. He did. Well, but the guy who I know that how to pay fifty million dollars. He's real successful. Obviously, the I mean, you gotta make a lot of money to give your wife fifty million. But he still had to give her fifty million. I see the list I see the kid point zero baby. See I see the child support point. And I see a little bit of help. There's the list. Oh, Madonna's divorce guy Ritchie estimated seventy six tonight two million. He had she had to give him the first woman listed I on, Dan. She had to give him seventy six million way to go guy Ritchie. I like to have him back. Now. I know you by those suits motherfucker. Now, what's his name pays the singer from book at this Michael Jordan's divorce? Juanita Jordan one sixty eight million. Who Mel Gibson's divorced in two thousand six after twenty six years four hundred twenty five million. Daham shops growing look at this Jesus Christ. Steve Wynn's, divorced two thousand twenty one billion own my goodness. Oh my goodness Steve Wynn. One Bill young Rupert Murdoch's divorce in nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine nine after thirty one years of marriage. One point seven billion Neil diamond one fifty Harrison Ford a hundred eighteen million, whoa. Harrison Ford how to give up the chatter. Steven Spielberg one hundred million. I remember that one that that girl was an actress and she fucking vanished. Kevin Costner James Cameron, Linda Hel -ten fifty million. Michael Douglas, Paul McCarthy, that's chick that was missing the leg. Right. That's a dark one has a woman was mean, she was nasty, man. Nasr lot of a mixed Jagger fifteen million twenty five minute. He got off light bro MC Jack because member he fucking married in Jamaica. And it was like a Puerto Rican prese day off. So he knew it going in because make jogging giving you dick. All I think that was Jerry Hall wife number two who's this Bianca Jagger the first one the first one. Yeah, he, you know, first one he had to pay the second. Listen, we're going to work around this. Oh, yeah. He don't fuck around that guy. He before he was in the stones. Jamie. What's the school? He went. He will don't make me say something wrong. He went to the school of whales or something of a business. He's all about the chatter for the last fifteen years. He's just been pregnant women all over the country and cutting them a check and saying, you know, he London School economic. Yeah. No Mussa when it comes to bro when it comes to lament their stories that you hear that. You're like, no, he didn't like, no. He did not let it. Getting. Have you ever see Joe Rogan in his rehearsal things? Do you ever see any of his do you follow him at all? I follow him. Yeah. You see any of the videos that he does a him working on the afternoons at sandwich is art man, like dancing, still like Michael Jackson. That guy is not fuck around now. And I still remember one particular story where he got the boulder they played with a bowl the buffalo with a with a college plays. He walked in. And he goes what's wrong with those seats, and they were like, well, Mr. Jaggard at behind the stage bitch, you better. Get the Salom cause I ain't taking the stage. Until those mother fuckers are sold out sell the tickets behind the stage. Mick Jagger is brutal. They could pay for my ass. I could pay for my ass. Mitch AGA's brutal. Pro he's brutal. And that was back before they had those giant screens. There was no this is eighty eight didn't have those giant screens. This is eighty eight eighty seven. They don't give a fuck. They didn't have those big LCD's you'd see them. Like, if you go see like say Drake, and he's at a theatre and around and like you see his, but right? You're going to see his face on giant screens all around you. He'll see it. You know, if you go to see like, a real popular person and a lot of people playing in the round, you know, Jackson, interesting guy. I don't think he's like very tight watches Gita Gatiss tight. You know, he's just like comments time you have left though. I mean, he's like seventy six right? No, seventy two maybe seventy two. Well, seventy five he's seventy five how much time you got left. If you're lucky everything goes great. You got twenty five years, but those last twenty-five or rough. Not what he's got. 'cause he can just lay there all day have young girls massage jagged dog. They can just blow on his little nuts after saying fuck, and he's probably getting blood transfusions every day. No. He takes good care. He's back bland looking. He's the backbone of the organization and just thank that. Keith Richards is still alive and ticking. Then there's people out that don't cross fit and didn't Keith Richards. Write a book where he's kind of shitty about Mick Jagger. He just told you know, gonna talk shit about each other, right? That that's how they sell books dog. I know that's how they make probably call them who said do this this out of the truth folk, it give me ten percent at one that when I mean when I watch those little rehearsal tapes look at look at his fingers look at those fingers. We're looking at a Keith rich, Keith Richards fingers, his every knuckle swollen to the point. It's like double the size. He looks like he's got megaton DA's hands. He's like jujitsu guy you ever seen megaton. India's his hands. Yeah. Big fucking turns dad, the girl who wrote the made that video. Funny USA, Larry like you. But her dad megaton jujitsu legend all his life. He's done. The key guys. Do the the time they developed real bad arthritis in their hands and their joint swell up like crazy. See if you find megaton dias his hands. That's not a good picture. That's there's pictures of his his knuckles. They're they're crazy. They're all fucked up and twisted like. Tell a little bit there. They go zoom in on his head. He was MacKenzie during the day. Yeah. Her dad is a fucking legend, look, go zooming on his hands as much as I could go. That's as much goes. But see see how fucking flamed out those knuckles. Our guys have done the their whole life, and they're always grabbing and hold onto the they get that. Yeah. It's okay. We get the point. But that that's what Keith Richards fingers. Glad like he's secretly doing ju jitsu and sly that's forty years. Man. That is crazy. That's good to play in forty years fifty years while he looks just as good as Mick Jagger. He's doing blow every day eating cockroaches. Looks as good as MC Jag. They look great. I don't think he looks as I think MC jagged Luke's fucking sensational, but it doesn't in the face. If you look at the two of them in the face SCR, get make that picture bigger, Jamie. Look at them in the face, Mick Jagger looks older, but that's his it's hard to tell because Keith Richards is smiling we should go would love to see Mick Jagger, still twenty one year olds out of the audience. I feel so weird when he FOX them. Must feel. So where like you wanna do it? Like if I was a girl, I was twenty years old. I would fuck Mick Jagger, just for the story. But when he climbs on top of you, and you smell death smell it coming out of his pores. He's not. He's old. He's bad cells. You smell misfiring cells all over the place. Seventy oh people in look like that seventy. We're not going on the road. They weren't dancing like that untorn light that that's something that you have to. And this is a new thing you have to all these first of all all these bands are going on in. This is how about somebody called me the day. And they're like, hey, man. I'm thinking of doing something New Year's Eve downtown. You know, I hate New Year's Eve I hate downtown. Even more fucking Ozzy Osbourne's doing the forum New Year's Eve, I'm as the western forum the only on my fucking now in LA England. Yeah, with rob zombie Marilyn Manson fuck and just and I'm sitting there going seventy years old, and he's doing New Year's Eve at a fucking, Phil. Probably got to. It's probably tells them fuck out house. Go make many make money new us eve at the forum. Joe connect his ankles together rubber band. So he can't make big steps ever. See I walks. A little is that true. You try to pull a Mickey army moon. Mickey made fucking rocky put. Put. Together. It's the same problem. Rocky had he back him out. Legs are too. Trailer for creed for this. The first one was good. Did you watch it? I told you I call him said watching it on Academy Award winning. But you they me man. For years. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how I felt about so Vestal on. I'm a fan. I just didn't. Then I went to your house that time and your wife was goofing on you. And she's like, I think he's got he's in love with Soviet system. Here you say. Coalmine you like look at them. You had to give his phone when he was sixty five Jack. He was just jacked. Yeah. Yeah. Like, all that shit and stuff. And then I was on a plane. I said let me watch his creed and drought, I tears in my eyes because I'm like this guy has got no respect for years. You look at them. Now. People goofed on him and shit doggy wrote to go back done because he's how look at that zoom in on his back. Wow. I didn't know he had his whole back done. That's crazy. This guy wrote a fuck in two or three franchises. This guy started like when you had some things about facts about a guy like he was fucking broke. Yeah. The sellers dog he had to do all this shit. Still make the rocky picture right there. Yeah. Look at this guy. Jacked seventy-one jacked. Fucking jacked. I saw that commercial for the first one we creed. I was I'm watching this shit and then AMC lately every Sunday something they throw a rocky on. And you say what the fuck I got ten minutes before world news tonight. And you start watching it, and you see the brilliance of what this man has done. It's brilliant. It's just completely brilliant. Whether it's cheesy with three when he gets beat up and Apollo creed. Takes them to the ghetto and makes them look brothers. And he's off and now and then creed that kid, by the way is a bad ass mother. Fucker meikeljohn. Oh and Black Panther Christ is Graham and the other guy fucking superb. But this now and you look at it. You know, like like man you at the store behind it. Like, you would say to me really Joe is he's gonna fight the Russian son. I could have wrote that idea on a fucking. It's still huge. It's still coming out Thanksgiving Day. This guy is coming giant. It's gonna be. Free there front and center at one o'clock. Crazies franchise started in the seventies. Seventies. He made rocky one in the seventies. I remember I watched it when I was a little kid. I drank raw eggs in Iran around the block. Like, I just listened to David Goggin puck and motivational speech. I I read about about this when they first started shooting this. He told them to hit him for real. And he put him in ICU for nine days Dolf longer. He said try to knock them out. What why would he do that? I don't longer. It was a legit kyo-shin karate champion. Dolph Lundgren is a bad motherfucker like legitimate, bad motherfucker, like, you know, he did a bunch of those crazy action movies and played the punisher and always say, but that guy is was a legit karate champion. He's a bad motherfucker Toffler grid. I would not want that guy hitting for what's this? What's this one called London? Put me in the hospital during rocky for. Why would he let him hit him? Well, you know who else knocked him and Tonio Tarver knocked semester Sloan out when when he was doing that movie where he was still boxing member. Like just a few years ago. He was in his fuck sixties, and he was boxing in one of those movies. It finally Antonio Tarver magic man Mantaro heavyweight champion light heavyweight champion knocked out Roy Jones junior. Remember when he stood stood in front of ROY Joan, ROY jobs. Go got an excuses tonight, ROY and then he knocked him out and Tonio is a bad motherfucker. And apparently when they were doing scenes in the movie, he clipped him and Kayode them quick story said he. For the first forty five seconds. He tried to really knock them out. Hit him so hard as chess started, his heart. Started to swell as blood pressure. Went up had to go back on emergency jet to America, use an ICU for five days. Whoa. In insurance company would say intensive care for five days with nuns walking around. Churns company will not pay out of this other footage of the incident. Once they did they wrote the check he hit my heart so hard at banged against my ribs started to swell, and that usually happens in car accidents truck, the his ridiculous. He has its own also talks about why hated London from the get-go their friends now, probably because big handsome fellow from fucking Norway. Or where the hell he's from. Where's he from dolph Lundgren with that name? He's from this cousin. He's Alliston Scott. This is cousin or something Sweden. He's a legit van motherfucker though. I didn't know that. He was accumulation guide karate champion. Yeah. I think he was national champion cushions no joke, man. Those those those fucking guys that's a hard style. Very hard stocks. Jim his isn't a GSP style. So. Yup. Coalition. I think mass. I think mass almost killed cushion. Pretty sure. They really hard hitting motherfuckers. It's very hard subconsciously kicks. Lot of wheel kicks what they do in the tournaments Killeshin tournaments at punch to the body full blast but kick to the legs the head the body and this stand right in front of each other and beat the fuck out of each other horrific. It's like kind of the opposite of taekwondo was a lot of kicks and punches only to the body to but Killeshin they threw leg kicks in there. And there wasn't a lot of footwork with most of those guys. Most of those guys like stood in front of each other and battery charger, but a lot of kilkare cushion guys went on to be really successful in kickboxing. And fact, a lot of a lot of the Holland influence and kickboxing came from Killeshin background like they started out with kill kitchen and kickboxing, and then they learned ties tied techniques as well. But a lot of those guys had an influence of Killeshin karate very big in. Europe. Just crazy on efforts. Started Marshall is the big thing was sweep sweep delay early seventies. Everybody swept you Fe to high cakes. And even if it was a spinning back kick, the third one was a sweep and that motherfucker was gone. I used to go to all those karate tournaments and that was my shit. I throw too high spinning back kicks. He didn't even want them to hit sweeps Eller jet and nobody sweeps anymore. Nobody. Little bit a little bit. I'm a main but not as much as I expect. Well, good sweep with a good fucking leg. If you set him up a good old fashioned sweep, I mean, what's his name has done. Little sweep the leg. Push back. You know, your boy here. John jones. Now, the other guy John Jones has it too. Yeah. All those restaurants. Does that show? All that little sweep that I liked that little sweep, but I'm talking about from the fighters position to just come into you at a sweep and throw you like example, Monday. It takes a bunch of fakes on it with him. It's basically off by by and instead of the elbow coming around your leg comes around and sleeps that guy off his feet. Ryan lands on his back and you attack. What you laugh there's still some some guys that are really good at sweeps. The thing about MMA is just there's so many different things going on. But in Moines tie sweeps are huge multi. It's a big part of the sport. You know? That's why I go. When you know who fights and bell Tor, he's so high level and more time now he's getting he's fucking guys up. Not just with sweeps spinning elbows all sorts of shit, the his level of Moy tie like multi involves a lot of grappling lot. Lot of weird stuff. Listen, Kenny Florian one time, and he goes that, you know, more retire even has a couple of aspects from jujitsu, and I guess not you get but something about Roman Greco Roman. They're always does clinching is a lot of clinch work in those guys develop really, strong, cores and necks. They grabbed her by the back of the neck, and they're moving each other round sweep and each other all the time. There's so much involved in framing with your forearms and sweeping the legs out and twisting and changing angles. It's a great when when you learn the other aspects wrestling when you learn take downs and control. And then when you learn jujitsu, and like having that background from the clinch from Moi tie is so gigantic because so many different things open up from their elbows open up from their knees. The body opened up from there you high school g I wrestle one year in high school wanting to wrestle fool because I was still doing talk window at the time. I had to figure out what what was more. You know, what was more important to me? I couldn't do both was just to that wrestling shit, Mr. shoot. No. He used to have that fuck away. Room down to like Andre ninety. They were doing at the yoga before the yoga was invented that room strong. And it was hot Dallas. There was a specialist coming off the ceiling. What is covering these pipes? No check these pipes. I'm like, I don't want cancer. What's happening in this wrestling rose fucking best those in it we breath as best those eight paint chips kindergarten all the water had led. It didn't have led you like what I went to the park yesterday my daughter, and there was a lady next to me. And she asked me where I was from. And she goes her father was from Brooklyn. We started talking and she had beautiful two year old and a two year old got caught on one of the monkey bars in the fall of that over and helper. And she goes I remember going up to my father's neighbour and seeing his play that were nothing like these storm come from Cuba and doing that, you know in monkey bars. But then you get so good that you put your legs up, and you hang by your knees and one day brought in hanging right and landed on that concrete. There was no rubber in those days. It was just straight up concrete half. The first grade I fucked twitched. I twitched the first. I landed right on my fucking neck. I never got on the monkey bar get I'll break a lot of kids fuck around with monkey buzz at all. I broke my arm and a monkey bar. My daughter broke her arm and a monkey bar. Yeah. My another kid in my daughter's class broke her arm and a monkey Bonnie bringing on a monkey ball fall down. Try to catch yourself. Put post your arms snap. Yeah. Yeah. That's real common. Monkey bars are fucking dangerous because you don't have the hand strength yet. You're six years old, so grabbing hold the bars, and you're swinging just don't really have the dexterity enhance drink and it slips, and you fall back you post and snap. You gotta she my daughter on that monkey, but she gets it. She does until hands bleed. Doug. Blisters a mother's gonna put bandit fierce does. She. Yeah. I like that about it. She's fierce. I take into. I put a lot of time into that shit. I, you know, it's really weird because of the cavenaugh situation and the Harvey Weinstein situation, you're a dad on a dad, it's different. You gotta raise your daughter. Now. This is effected me in a way. The cabinet thing was pissing me off a few weeks because I don't like the idea that they could come back to you for something you didn't high school that. That's just not right in my world, unless I fucked in the ass in high school and covered your mouth. I didn't do nothing. You know what I'm saying? I think that was the thing he did do though he did cover covered amount or whatever. But how knows what really happened. Nobody knows. And nobody nobody knows so six years ago. I know for a fact I've known you for twenty and I've seen you sweeten up over the years. We all change. You're not the same. Joe rogan? I'm at twenty years ago. I'm definitely wasn't highschool. Sure, come on, please. But he was a he was a guy that was hanging around with a bunch of drunk. Jocks, and we all remember drunk, and you know, and that that that environment that that that sort of the environment of like being around abundant bunch of drunk guys who are constantly one upping each other. That's a that's a sketchy fucking environment. And that's the that's frat houses. Well, the yielding scared me. That's when I thought, you know, those guys rich coin kits. You know, what happens a little bit of money? Everything's been covered up all their lives. Everything's been covered up all their lives. You know when I was a kid. I knew this girl basically Mindy head and on Friday nights. They get in a car, and they drive it to like fuck in Connecticut and tells you suckle Dicks to get home gotten those of that poor girl is to that last time. I saw was nineteen Ninety-three getting coconut building Harlem, and she's gonna save with some guy in the car. Doesn't wanna leave me alone. I'm listen bitch, walk into my car that was so you before my life. I swear to God you had bumped into a cop house on one hundred and eighty first street ten years after high school, I'm gonna fuck and four flow with some Dominicans. I'm walking down the stairs. And there's many head. And she's like, what are you doing the same thing? You fucking doing the, obviously. What's fucked up is for some people their experiences in highschool define them. You know? I just watched that a Stephen King movie it the most recent one with the clown. Yeah. Pretty fucking good. But one of the things that I was thinking when I was watching it was like how fucking mean kids are in school to each other. You kind of forget about that. And then you watch one of those movies about people being mean to people like, oh, yeah. I remember going around to get away from a guy that was picking on me. There was fuck with me. And like you would be scared of running into the bus stop and scared of seeing them after school, and that's why got into martial arts in the first place. Got tired of being scared scared of people. I was still fucking kid. I tell you something funniest thing about the movie it was fuck with clowns. So two months later bunch of clowns got together and went on strike. They went down down and they had a parade. Not a perimeter. What do you call when people get together? And and they fucking have signs. This is right out that movie was released thousands seventeen. Thousand seventeen whatever that movie was released a month later, two months later, a bunch of clowns in the in the California area got together downtown and picketed Stephen King because they were losing work as clowns cries because they had lost a bunch of clowns got canceled. They lost all their clown season worker some shit. I read the book a long time, which one I remember I was like man, how are they gonna make a movie out of this? And they made a movie out of it may back in the day with John boy from the Waltons do with the Molin ponytail in it. I watched it the other night on TV just flipping through the channels. It was on. And it was after a couple of days after I'd seen the most recent version of it. It was hilarious Lee bad who was so stupid. But it was John boy with the Waltons and might have been. How many versions of that movie? Did they make? That was just too. The first one was the first one with Tim the guy from the rocky horror picture show without what was who the clown was. Yeah, it was so stupid who's. Who? Was it scary at all? I mean, not even remotely. But the new one was pretty fucking scary. What Stephen King of his fucking crazy. Fuck we both read on writing. Yeah. It's crazy. Both. Did you see him on signs? I know he won't they contact from like we want you to be on son's antics. Listen, the only way I'll be on second. If I could ride my motorcycle, data, go back and forth. We don't need what I tell you. If I go on Sunday Anneke, I gotta ride my motorcycle. So he played at creepy guy that makes you disappear after they kill you, really. Like he comes in and measure like you're on the floor that he walked in measure and tell you what he needs. I need a rope. I need some gasoline. I needed. I also need a selection of seventies. Classic rock. And then you disappear when you come back. There's nothing there. And they walk him out. He tells you what you want how much eight hundred you paying the eight hundred if you only have six he'll look around the room. He'll just take like a statute would just walk out of the house ties a statue on the motorcycle. He was classic on Sunday. Deke, you know, the crazy thing about him was his battle coming back from getting hit by that guy in a car. He was walking. I think it was in Maine, right? It was walking. And some guy wasn't paying attention and fucking hit him in his car. Just destroyed his body like just destroyed his body. Like, I mean, he was fuck up for on the motorcycle ankle shattered is no no he was walking. He was just walking. And we got hit by a guy in a van Dogwood. I read that I think you turned me onto when I read that chapter on. Kerry, how he got written half a carry and threw it away and his wife found that cleared him finish it. And it was about a girl with a period of something crazy how like I was in shock right book. Carey is a great book carry and cujo my favorite Stephen King books who Joe till this day. I have it. I look at it and I respected cocaine. I don't even open that book. I just look at it and touch from time to time, and I go, I don't know if I want to get into that thing knows a great book that they like the the movie version, of instance, like was pet cemetery pet cemetery is a book his some things about books. You know, hate the cliche that books are better books better. But what is interesting about books is there certain things that you shouldn't really see you should only imagine like they work out better in in your in your imagination. Like, there's something much creepy or about them in your imagination and pet cemetery right about several creepy like whenever I have a hard time sleeping or something that something's going on with me. So instead of sitting in bed and having what's called insomnia. I get up, and I ride it up when you read that back. It's like when I write about something did as a kid, whether it's Robin, Freddie at Putnam feel. When I was Easter rob this gas station eight weeks, and you know, like I was in West Palm Beach, a kid showed up kids showed up from high school when I was in West Palm Beach, and he goes, I have something. And he goes, this is a map you drew of us were about the rob a gas station nineteen eighty one he still had the map of me would stick man would rather. We would rob this gas station every six to eight weeks coming from the left. I'll coming from the north don't even know what the fuck the point. I'm trying to make was I forgot it somewhere along the line. But I write about things that you did that were even when I write about that. And you read them, it's different hyphen. Fuck you reading is fucking phenomenal build imagination. That's why when you read silence of the lambs, and you watch the movie, you gotta get all everybody in that room and getting a big hug because they kept it honest. They kept it real. When you read William Blake lease the exorcist, and then the excess has been on for the last two weeks. On AMC, and I've been watching bits and pieces of it. And I can't applauded more fucking great in that movie, the priest. That's Jackie Gleason son-in-law is. It really Jess who Jason Stewart whose Jason whatever's father. Was that who he was in sleepers with with with Brad Pitt than aero? He played the newspaper reporter that's his fuck and father, but Damien Karras plays the priests. That's Jackie Gleason, son-in-law, married. Jackie Gleason daughter and funny because last week I. I was in my office type of my wife quality was gonna be home and twenty minutes at the baby. So I don't know what you're doing. All right. So I wanted to liberal I try the TV on just to be out there. 'cause unless you're gonna wanna watch cartoons or whatever. And I saw the excesses turned it on and dog it came on when the priest comes to the door, which if I have a bump into that director. I will take his deck out and suck it because that's what real directing is. He scheduled without showing anything when the priest comes to the door. All you see is an image from breeze, and you don't see what his face looked like. And I it scares you. But when he walks in he takes this motherfucker, and the guy says, can I get you something how was your trip? Can I get you something, and he goes, do you want some coffee, and he goes, no, let's do this. And this guy's a psychiatrist you have to watch. Again. This guy's a psychiatrist not only a priest and. He starts dropping psycho and the priests. Look something goes knock it off the devil is cutting. He attack your psychological like nobody else. Do not listen to him, and he just breaks it down. And then the guy says to him do you want another three levels of manifestation, and he looks at me goes, no, there's only one Saint in this Saint dog. It's just right there. You're like so my daughter walks in while it's on the five walks in and she sits on my lap as she's a bible be. I don't know if you know is that mercy's a bible Beata. She loves anything with God. And you know, I got a little fucking thing. She gave me with Jesus fish my daughter's a bible beaten, even though she goes to fucking public school. She'll come home, and Tom, and they didn't talk about God to that. So she's watching this whole manifestation of these two Prestatyn about God is powerful God's gonna kill Satan other that the. And all of a sudden they walk into the room and she sitting up and she's like. My daughter caught it took like thirty seconds to just look at me. And she just ran out of the room. Like, she doesn't know who Satan is nothing. She just ran out of the room. This is one of the scariest movies one of the finest movies. She elevates herself comes down. What about when they so they do the first thing they walk out. And what about when they walked back in and he's he's a doctor. So he's checking a heart, and she turns into the mother and the hospital and start saying the me while you do this to me, and and the priest told them don't listen to them that the devils conning, you know, an awesome. What about when he comes in and goes father, how about sparing Feinstein's all off the boy 'cause the double star. I mean, you have to watch. And while all this is going on you have to remember that there's a murder going on because the first night when she came down before the devil came and some guy was talking shit. Nazi was talking shit. A Jewish guy was talking shit about a Nazi or something and she comes down and peas and says you're going to die motherfucker. You're going gonna die up there to an astronaut wasn't. It wasn't an astronaut. He was something downstairs, and she say something like that. You're going to die up there. No, no. He was downstairs in the living room. And there was like. Didn't she was talking to a guy was an astronaut? You're going to die. And then she peed the carpet, and then it was a dinner party. And then a couple nights later they found the guy on the bottom of the stairs. But it couldn't have been a girl because they twisted his neck all the way. Yeah. So it had to be a man. And that's why you have to watch that movie when the cop comes to talk to the mother famous actress last time I wash it was like five or six years ago. It's I was deep giant moving. That girl got fucked up doing that movie now, bro. Listen, how can they make a twelve year old girl stick across my pussy? Let's talk about shooting. She stuck across the pussy took it out grabbed her mother by the years put chocolate eight me, let me. Yeah. All right. And then picked her up and smacks. Her and throws across the fucking rooms says your mother sucks. Cocks in. How does she told a one priest and I saw that in the movie theater on them? But if I could sue the unions to these cinema today, I was sue them because they didn't check my didn't give a fuck. They took by two dollars, and let me through me to the fucking walls. But also saw Linda Blair she showed up twenty years later. She started hanging out with Rick James. She she showed up twenty years later, rich. I wonder what Linda Blair is doing that. But I hope they pay a lot of money because she never really recovered from that. Now, she never really worked after that. It's something at work after you put across in your pussy. I mean, that's ginger Lynn. It's tough commercial bucket. Yeah. Well, it's also people never forget you were that person. Like, it's very difficult for people to have a change percents. She walks down the stairs. Yeah. Backwards. What about when the head spins around from the priests, and it's just too out there for movie they can never day think of remaking that every once in a while. And they look at each other. Jesus christ. That was a creepy fucking movie. And you kind of realize that back then there was nothing like this before this movie this movie was so extreme like there had been horror movies before. But it was like Frankenstein or Dracula they were kind of scary, but the worm blooding there was nothing like this movie. This movie was so over the top and people a lot of people at the time, or like, this the movie represented something Representative changing of boundaries that people these young kids these people today what the fuck are they do, and what kind of movies are they may county. I remember being I remember being in Catholic school, and they would just pass. They were telling us not to go. See it. We weren't allowed to go. See it. I, bro. I was right there when the movie got released, and I had to sit and experience kids. See it. Right. You're going to see blew my fuck. That's where I saw rocky where everybody was on their feet yelling for rocky. This is America was different. Everybody was young rocky and also saw the longest year daddy original. And this was a movie theater that was basically Irish Italian and Cuban, but they talked they yelled at the screen. You know, they threw things at the screen and when the fucking long as yard when Burt Reynolds was coming back the whole places on their feet. This is a great movie data, and they let you in. Then they play the last movie at eleven thirty. I saw you know, how many times? Enter the dragon, and that the late movie, my mother, let me walk up there on forty eighth street, and my mother's ball was on twenty nine street and go, and I saw everything fister fury. The outlaw Josey Wales. All those fucking movies. I saw that. And even they played. I just go there as Spanish kid watching learn a language and loved it. They have limitations what they could do with special effects. And so because of that you had Dila -ccomplish much more with even with American world in London, right? The original their original you was that made. I wanna say eighty one. From I guess. Look at what year it was. It was eighty one. The special effects even though there were groundbreaking for the time like when he's lying on the floor and his body stretch. And he's turned into the wolf like that shit when his faces stretching out I mean, those are groundbreaking special effects. No one had never seen anything like that. This. I enjoyed this. I enjoyed its watching a movie now and thirty percent of it forty percent of the CGI. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Well, it's fucking crazy. I watched actually drives me crazy the other which one under with Kevin Costner. No, no, no. That was the girl the vampire and the the lichens. Beck and say Christ, she's deceased to match she's tremendously. So she's just tremendous by the mowing love with the movie was you got caught with heroin with Claire Danes at the jailing Thailand. Oh, I've been a loved one. With her include Danes, Kate Beck and sale something they both fell in love with the same guy and he put heroin on him. And he put them in a prison. So slip into the channels while broke down palace. When on there, it is when I was doing that. I'm doing this fuck and fitness channel this fitness challenge with Ari and Burton, Tom. And I just watching anything I can't on TV while on the elliptical machine or the rower whatever the fuck I'm doing, and I was watching one of the underworld movies. And I realized there's like ten of them. I mean, how many fucking underwear world movies? Is there been? There's more than that. I mean, she's been all of them. She's the main star they're so stupid. The fucking one that I saw I mean, it was like deepen she has a daughter now and this five of them. I don't know which one I saw but. For the first two. I think the one with a lot of control for me. That was I think I was watching blood wars. It was so dumb. But anyway, the CGI the where wolves are so corny they show you too much it looks fake. And the thing about an American world from London is they showed you quick snippets of the thing before would kill people. It was just enough likely that they'll look so stupid. It just looks fake like CGI just does not look, and that was something that Pat McGee the guy who made that the werewolf out there in the lobby. It's what he had told me. He's like when you see your your brain can tell that's not real like, even if it looks really good, your brain can tell it's not real. He's like what your like if your brain sees special effects like makeup like that kind of stuff like like a face that's been done with like prosthetics and teeth. Fangs your brain says, oh, that's a real thing. That's the thing. That's right in front of you. Yeah. Look these worlds are so corny when the running looks fake their shadows look fake, but pull up scene from American world from London like like, the actual werewolf. They they had very very quick scenes. He didn't see much of the werewolf. It was like very fast. Like you see running through the streets of London. He see it's snapping at things like that one. In the beginning. When they first got jacked by the warranties. Yeah. Like this. Give me some volume put headphones back it up for a second man get up, so. So they're running. You really scared me you shit. Head helped me up who. He didn't see much. Well is. His according it's eighty one remember seeing his prom. Joe Rogan you said best couple minutes ago that the thing that pisses me off the most. And today's the home business grew up on the movies. I'm fucking immigrant kid. I love movies more. They have Tony Montana in the fucking. The tension thing goes did you speak span English. Yeah. I watched a movie these Cubans. Anybody told me that everybody everybody. So you watch TV the problem that happens somewhere between eighty five maybe eighty seven today is the disconnect of the director. And you ask him, Joey what's disconnected director the imagination. I just watched something on Scarface, I almost called you. So interesting about the dilemmas. They have Scarface when they gave it an x rating. Scarface came out Pacino said that the release at the party Scarface, he just sank people were getting up and leaving twenty at bunch. They took Joan Collins aside, and they said the Jones Collins, what did you think of the moving? She goes I left after she goes, I think one hundred FOX is enough FOX for a person's lifetime. Like it was so, but they show that's enough person. I left that or they counted how many foxy said and all this stuff. But that's not my point the point is that when they the guy that directed had gone front of a board. It's a big difference about me showing. Chainsaw going through your arm. Then you seeing it and then seeing your face, and you bleed you follow me. Yeah. The right. That's why they had to go to that. That was better that yes, you know, that the x rating, you know, when that's a beautiful story. This it's supposed to be me you and him and he supposed to make decision to direct abroad violence specialist psychiatrist. But he brought a hundred witnesses. They were there all day to prove his point that take it from an X rated movie to an R rated movie when you watch once upon a time and the west Sergio Leoni was king of the directors because he gave you the decision to the side. Are you with me? He gave it to you. When Charles Bronson gets off to train the beginning once upon a time and America and St. dues waiting in the train goes by on stops. And. And you hear her Monica, and you Charles, bras and going home. They look up when they see Charles Bronson. But then. Not look it's not focusing on Charles Bronson Sergio these fucking he keeps showing you this fucking thing. That keeps going. Like take me back so Jolie. Let me watch this gunfight. He gave you a magic potion directors gave you immagination. They gave you a split second to decide whether what was going to happen now. I know the story before it happens director was something special. That's why so Guiliani those guys those spaghetti Westwood genius. Because they gave you with me. You gave me a second to split the side. Yeah. You gotta think what's going on. I did. I don't that scene. I could put it in his arm or showed Pacino's face remember, high plains drifter tremendous ways ago back and painted paint. Well, no it's hype. That's is that high plains drifter getting the wrong name one. I mean, I'm thinking where he comes back as it goes. Right. That's the one. Yeah. High plains was anger. I don't know if it was hanging high. What's one? We have the shield underneath ain't knows they only shoot for the heart. And they keep shooting at many falls down, and they shoot at falls down. They should cut them falls down. I don't remember Cheney Google Clint Eastwood comes back. Ahead. It is high plains drifter. Description. Yeah. Parco story part revenge west about that movie is like you don't realize it's like they don't spell it out for the dummies that he's a ghost like six cents. Then no like you have to figure it out at the end of the movie, I remember correctly. It's been a long time since I saw it. But at the end of the the end of the film, they sort of laid out in the beginning the beginning, they show kind of might be wrong here. I feel like the beginning of the movie is them beating him and killing him. They whip them the end of the movie, you kind of realize it's him coming back toward the end of the movie, but it's not like specifically spelled out like it was a curse, and he came back to haunt this town and kill everyone who wasn't that cornball. So if you go back to like, the older movies, you go back to like, you know, like, a Frankenstein, or Dracula type film, they spelled things out they treated you. Like, your dumb ass, and they spell things out then the eventually stopped doing that. And they put mystery imagination films, and then somewhere along the line at least with like modern blockbusters, if I had to guess, I would say part of the problem is there's so much money involved in these movies. If you're going to make a film, and you know, it's some gigantic thing with special effects and the studios dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into it. They wanna return on their money, so people discussing I think Johnny Depp was just kicked off in the right word, but he's not going to be the next pirates movie. I guess discussing under like in the comments section. It was the word last one was the worst one of the lot three hundred thirty million dollars on the budget. But it made eight hundred million. That's a that's a failure for them. It's a failure hundred million is not well Janis off the rails. Right now. Johnny depp. He looks weighs thirty five pounds shaved his head. He's falling out of his jeans. Whenever you get like two tattoos of a woman. The only been married to flick six months, these are all bad signs truck. And this is very rough town to live Ego's mother fucker people blowing smoke up your ass mother. Fucker? Sure. I mean, this guy's spending half a million dollars a month on wines. Yeah. I don't know on quote me on that. But I know that when when the I read the. He said that he was spending thirty thousand dollars, and he goes it was a lot more than he was joking around about. It was a lot more than that. Like these pictures of him now. Stay humble or be humbled. He's wearing a shirt, dude. You're fifty five years old. Why the fuck would you wear that shirt? Well, who's walking? Meanwhile, I got Derek Lewis, my balls shirt on. But these these fucking inspirational quotes, the expect to see on some strippers Instagram page. You're not supposed to be wearing those when you're Johnny Depp. Okay. This is this is outrageous. Johnny depp. Shirt. And I heard it this last movie he did mooch Oprah bias Machala program Louis which lot of a lot of problems. What was the moving to move. Yes. It's on shelves. Right. Putting it out is he the shelf putting it out for right now. It's not coming out. He plays the cop that broker if you forget them. That's a good book. Yeah. Whatever I have it at the house. He plays the cop there that those little that in the workout. That's it. Well, you know, Johnny Depp in one point time when he had done that that movie dead, man. Remember dead, man. No interesting movie. It was weird black and white movie about a guy who was riding a fucking train across the west. He was talking to interview body. He wants to do interesting projects. He goes I'll never be blockbuster boy then became blockbuster. But he's bad ass pirates. Big. He's don't give a fuck with a phenomenal phenomenal for them. He's good. I love he's a great actor to cut him loose. He made a ton of money for them. They did five fucking movies. You know, he's boys would Stanhope right, essentially, Johnny. Fucking motherfuckers with their everybody thinks you're gonna spend money on their website. Guess what we're not? We're not paying to read your fucking website. We're not Johnny Depp was in big to movie abruptly pulled from release force Whitaker until. Yeah. A month before it was come out. They just pulled it. Well, it must suck. Don't pull it. It's awesome. But the point is, you know, STAN hopes boys with him. And he's like he said that once he did those pirates movies. He couldn't go anywhere. It was over. He can't go to restaurants. You can't go anywhere. You just can't go anywhere. He he hit that upper echelon of fame. We're almost there's no turning back when you know, you get like Michael Jackson type frame, you just get crazy. Your world is just it's no one can relate to you. What would they give them promote it? He was making thirty million movie with back end and everything I bet he was making more than more than that. Right. Yeah. That's he's like teen houses boat. Eighteen houses, you know? I remember when I was in Colorado. Someone said he had a ranch out there. I goes you ever go there. He goes, no, no says a ranch. What about why house sat for the gun on TGI Fridays? He was on the board directors. Did you? Yeah. When I lived on four four thirty five four way road and Snowmass village, Colorado. I how sat and the guy the two years I was came weaken half he came for three days and dawn came for three days. They spent two thousand booze. They all got drunk, and they left two days later, and I was talking to the dawn, and she's like, yeah. This is my dad's got houses. He had three in Colorado along crusted Krista Butte Snowmass village, and he had a house on the other side to ski over there. Because he liked to different types of bout. It. Yes. He's christ. Yeah. No that that world when people get that famous when they get that rich when they get that. The point where they live in some sort of weird LaLa land. He had a brand new Jeep delivered every year. And part of my agreement was added drive at like fifty miles a month to keep make sure because when he came to town and want no problems, none of his houses. Right. We had a different fucking house sitter at every. And if you background check on, you know, I listen to me I fucking grandfathered into the house because my buddy from jersey had it and his girlfriend came out the visit he knocked her up. But the guy was difficult to get a hold though because he was an England and whatnot. So my friend just said to me just just moving those dick he comes in. He'll see it's you and tell him either leave shit keep my deposit. So I stayed there for like two months, and he came and he's Huda fuck you, and I told them what had happened and that we can get a hold him because he was in England, and he asked me for a couple of names. I had already lived in Snowmass for about a year. I left him and came back. So I had a couple nice references for me gaming the thing and then left, and I was not allowed in his home. So part of deal was had an apartment over the garage used his car, and it was eighteen hours a month shoveling snow eighteen eighteen hours a month of work or so it was essentially shoveling snow in the winter and mowing along in this up. He would give me a little Simon's paint the wall or whenever I would do keep the chair up and ship. It was Eero rent. I think he paid me hundred month. And I got to get a day job and skiing at that advocate was found. Firemen volunteer fireman because all right? So cocaine was eighteen hundred dollars at the time and Snowmass my buddy say to me for eight hundred in jersey. So I would go back and forth. And I was making all this dawn the people found that the guy that they blew up. They they put pipe bomb in this guy's calling. They blew him up. His name Steven Grebo. He left the big gap in this fucking drug place. So I. Would it kill them? Oh, yeah. They killed this past in Colorado and Aspen thirty six days before he was to stand trial. They could never get him for cocaine. He's making six million every six weeks. I spoke about this one million every six weeks in nineteen eighty four. They arrested him the first time and eighty three they brought him to Denver. They found nine million altogether cash that in eighty four was when. He went every night, he'd workout. He was a good looking dude that kept in shape, he had twenty different. 'cause and every night he give guy at the door five dollars to start the car. The the guy took the night off. He started his own Coty, but a pipe bomb in his calm bloom up ellipoid, he made it all the way to hospital, but something went so deep up his as they just bled that that. So left this gap. So this guy approach him. And then he's like man these people mad at yet. They wanna do business with you, cutting them out. So I had a talk to them. And they said listen for you to buy we we never do face to face. So they haven't Aspen club, and that place going to see the has been club is, you know, in those days, these places where thousands month to walk it. And I knew a girl that used to go to the Aston club, and she's atomic. She's stay showers right next to Barbie. Barbie. And they had a beautiful Bush. Tell me every night. Bobby Benton's got a beautiful fucking Bush. It's perfect. So there's the Aspen club in the Snowmass club Snowmass club has golfing. You know, con- those around the thing it was like nine hundred a month to be a member. I couldn't have been a member. So the only way to become a member with my being volunteer fireman. Then they give you admission so for ninety days at a train, you know, go up to flights thing. Alanna carry a rope. But basically it was put night when tourists come. They don't know how to fucking turn on fireplace. So they clean out the showers and they put him in. Then these people would put him in a dumpster. So ten ten all you're doing his dumpster FIS. That's all you're doing, but you got access to the Snowmass club. So basically, it was walk into the Snowmass club. Give the girl the ten thousand dollars, but on your gym clothes workout by the time. You got back. The Alaka coke was locked. It was all in. They will all in everybody's involved. Everybody was involved. So the girl that worked as she was getting a piece seven the high doing Joel. Yeah. Okay. Wow. And then later on going the locker the coke would be that get like a half eight ounces. You know, I was daily and I get home, but then again coat up every time. There was a fi. I went to five dumps is in a sixteen idiots with files. I'm like is this necessary. They even gave me like a little fire truck. Like a little Toyota truck will like a balance to go the FIS at third five stopped showing up. For two months you zero base. Liz, I'm just go get my Dick's, nobody. Go put out a fire in a dumpster, go. Fuck. He's came over into the dumpster. And then I went to work with this other dude dick there was three Dick's the guy. I work. What was dick south dick, Kelly and dick dune was demand. So I had a buddy used to go you're surrounded by dick, dick, dick. So dick Kelly had one of those snow companies and they wanted me to go. And I don't know what they call Joe Rogan so straight mea it's a high low shovel snow what's a high low a high low when that warehouse. Oh, shit all truck that push us no around. So he was another poor bastard that made a mistake and hired me that winter and yeah that four in the morning four in the morning. I'm on my second grandma blow he'd be in front of my husband and. Fuck not working tonight. He came into his truck. I was on a roll up. Well. For plowed snow guys who had snow trucks when it would snow out, man. That was the you aren't getting any sleep. There was a bunch of guys that I knew in Colorado, Austin, boss. Yeah. That's that's that's a business. We know as you business. Those people start fucking and happy and people who look out the window with the coffee, making sure you're out there. With the truck up the driveway pushing snow around my buddy, Jimmy he had a there was one of his side businesses. He was intellect Trish in cya business. He had hit a plough on his pickup truck. We just fucking plow people out do people's driveways. You know? I was I went home this year, March twenty I went home to jersey had do was show one night or Nyack. And me hooked up city way. Metabolically walked around the city in the snow just at the snow. You know, and by the time, I got up the next morning. It's no like a foot. I'd never seen anything like that. Like when I was a kid in jersey. If it's note that shit was there like that should stay stay. There was no school stacked up on the side won't snow bromide town fucking out to snow land, not an inch really fucking tremendous that night, the roads with clean. He's I'll never forget. How when I left jersey eighty three like if it snowed. Like, let's say if it's note and take the bus up here. I would just call and say Joe, it's snowing you'd expect me at eleven. And everything was late. Whenever it snows jersey. Here's his big metropolitan area, New York City, and it snowed. A cripple city. They didn't know how handling. Yeah. Newspapers wouldn't come people. Get pissed off the New York Post. I remember moving Snowmass and getting a job at Aspen electric, and that meant the had to get on the bus and Snowmass go to the bottom of the hill transfer and shoot the bus to Snowmass. I did this. And I remember the first time we got I woke up one day. You know, Colorado you wake up on more in this inches is just another day just on a day and. Nineteen eighty-three. They couldn't clock in clean up New York. But I'll never forget that morning. Waking up and ask them like at six thirty in Snowmass and going. Then I expect me about ten and I walked in there at ten people would've fuck of you. And I'm like, it's no not the buses running lane. They go every else came on the bus, and they all got on time. They'd fucking busted me right out like Colorado is that far ahead of the game. Well, they so used to it. It was so, but like here I was living this big metropolitan city that four inches crippled didn't Colorado Throwdown salt. They throw down something. Yes. They throw it on something. Because when you wash your car in Colorado, they push to do the on the water carriage the the prevention because rust. Yeah. Rush travels fast, and Colorado and Boston to that salt assaulted puts you'd buy old cars and in the fenders in the back of the fenders the corner. That's where the salt pile up, and you always have rust there. It always have like these big pockets arrest the corner of. Yeah. That's what California cars. Everybody was wanted to rust free, California car if you're buying a muscle car like an older, you know, hot rod you'd find a rust free, California car, o California salt big thing salt destroy cars. Destroy the frame destroy everything that salt get up in there. Just sit there and just rot away. The metal gotta take the metal buffer that like edge it out. And then you have to spray Resto Liam on it. And then you have to see the guys in Colorado. No, they would fix the cars, and it would take like a missing bumper cut its TJ glee welded in and then you bump that in you colored you buffed. Yeah. You kept putting primer on it? And that's how they got the the rust out of the house in Colorado got about jersey bodywork, man. Lot of east coast cars had tremendous amount of bodywork of you wanted a constant job. Fixing cars bodywork was always good not just because accidents, but also just a rust work now is the rest of. Product of the humidity. Also coast wasn't that humid rasc- a little bit of restaurant. Yeah. Colorado you getting it from moisture you're getting it from Saul. I'm sure if they salt, the roads east coast, you definitely getting you know, there's a variety of factors that caused cars to rust out older cars, both you can find an old rust free car. That is like that's what everybody wants you. Find out nineteen sixty eight Camaro that's rust free. Like, whoa. It's beautiful thing about corvettes, they didn't rust. They're made out of fiberglass. So you get old corvette. Most of the bodies were pretty good. If it wasn't cracked was damaged because they didn't rust. I cut myself. I'm one of those fiberglass quo one time, my ram pass them broke. This is the seventies. Right. But seventy five fiberglass, my sixty five corvette things fiberglass. Why don't they fiberglass to make it lighter writer, right because they could make cooler shapes. If you look at a nine hundred sixty five corvette that shape fantastic. I think I have an idea. How it looks like it looks like a sportster. Yeah. It's two one the sixty five the fenders have curves to them everything curves such curvy car, and if you had to do that all by banging out metal. And there's mine. Like fucking Hampson a curve in that thing, just the fenders alone. Like there's so much. That's when I had my gross old wheels. I got rid of those stupid wheels. But the the shape of those things man, I mean, I mean, they could do that with metal. But there's so many complicated curves to it just to curve the door to the Fender the back. Fender and. You're a fan of the car this car compare as Dr that's not a that's not a real. I mean, if you if you drove a regular nineteen sixty five corvette, they're sloppy suspension. Slobby the brakes dog shit one here that things not a regular that things. What's called a Resto mod? So what that is is a nineteen sixty five corvette. But it has a two thousand seven corvette engine in it that supercharged, and then it has an entirely modern suspension. Everything is modern coil overs. Modern breaks big ass, corvette breaks big fucking fat wide tires sticky rubber on them. That thing doesn't handle anything like an old car that thing handles like a new car as much as you can get a car like that the handle a new car almost you drive. It. I try that fucker all the time. I take to the the store all the time. Give me that thing to store you should go for ri- with me his so fun. Good fit models for more people. Fucking things fit and that Tony soprano trying to get Johnny sex. What's the what's the Italian carline? I'm beginning Ferrari or Lamborghini, Maserati Mazar. I don't remember. Yeah. He couldn't fit it in. Shit skinny tallies. Yeah. But those you know, when you make an car fiberglass, you know, it's pretty weird just to go back to that lady that quit high school when she was sixteen. She was one of the most wealthiest people in the world Chinese lady. Yeah. Whatever name was we pronounce her wrong. It's so weird. How much stock? We put in high school. How much stock is really in high school? Like right now, you have children. I don't know about high school. Like, I'm I don't know about high school still, and I don't know I met so many people have put high school done better with their lives. I thought when I quit high school. I was done. I was fucking done. That was the one of the worst points in my life. I remember I was gonna get a tattoo. I wanted to get like an Ozzy Osbourne as Ozzie on his fingers. I wasn't the cocoa on both fingers CEO CEO. And I remember walking up there that dang on you know. So it's gonna I'm gonna cocoa that to him. I am liquid high school. Like, what am I made my chances of really doing anything really quick high school nominee tattoos on my thing is I'm never going to do anything on my life. And that's why chicken not to you know, because you're you're gonna be Lou that in nineteen eighty-two attacked who was not a work of art at tattoo. Was you went to jail you killed somebody? See? Sixty nine he's had that in sixty nine. He was cool. And fuck he was Ozzy Osbourne, Ozzy Osborne. Right. I was just some fucking drugged out criminal. But I knew that if I quit high school and put CEO CEO I was doing. Like, I'm both hands housing to be doing chew story. Probably walk into the tattoo place. It was in cliffside park, and how much weight they put on high school and like I quit ice school. My junior year. Was I good at it. Yes. I was very good at it. I was very good at school. I just had to quit school because sesame. Sensiti and had no parents, you know, how to quit fucking high school. You know, and it's so weird. How many people over the years I've read and the only reason why I got my GD limitation, I refuse to get my g because if I would have failed my GD, I would've killed myself like if you quit high school, and then failure GD, you really doing my I didn't even want to know about the thing. But when I got arrested, you gotta have a GD because you get an extra point to your sentence thing. Like, this is a variable that adds to not going to prison for that long. So if you get arrested, you don't have GD and you're not working at the time of year arrest. This all counts towards your sentencing guidelines. So the only reason why GD fucking thing because I was petrified. Taking the Joe Rogan because once you fail you GD, they know coming back. So I got to my fingers I fucking twin high school, and I thought in fail the first GD thing like I would have died like I studied hard for my GD. I bought the fucking thing took a night class with much people, speak English has studied high. I pass my GD with flying colors. But it's so weird how they put such a stress on it. When I was growing up. I don't tons of kids that sophomore year said my follow fucking mechanic garage or we have a fruit company or my father's in the stock market. He's getting me job. And I know these kids say they're doing fine. I just saw one westbound beats that he was one of the first guys quit school. And I was like worried about good the fuck the quit school. He's doing fine. He's rich fucking well, quitting an education. In like getting quitting learning is. What's real scary quitting school? The problem with school is school standardize education. Right. The education that they would like you to get is go through school get out of high school, you go to a good college. You get a degree. And then you go to graduate school, and then you're real success. But there's a lot of people that did that that there was no job for them. They they have graduate degrees and they're not doing well. And it's just it's not it's not a guarantee and especially in this weird fucking economy. The problem with a guy like you or a problem with a guy like me is that we're never going to have regular jobs. It was never gonna work. We're too fucked up for whatever reason for both fucked up for different reasons, I quit every fucking job ever. I've never had a jump days. I was like. One ball, fifty bucks. Yeah. Wash this like I watched dishes for months, but nobody recognized that you had the potential to being -tainer. Nobody ever says like you could be in an entertainer. Your funny entertaining guy. Nobody ever brings that up as a viable job option. Meanwhile, it's obviously a giant job option all of our friends that are like you or I that are comics. They're all they were all fuck ups in highschool, the all barely made it through whatever job. They had the hated every second of it. And they all thought they were losers. That's one thing. We all have in common. We were all worried that we were going to be a loser. But none no one. None of us had someone who said, hey, Joey, your fucking funny, man. You could be a comic Tribuna comic open mic night. Give it a shot. He how much comics make a weekend comic headliner in a club in the meek and Mike fifteen hundred dollars you'd be like what fifteen hundred dollars telling jokes like. Yeah. Fifteen hundred dollars. That is crazy. You talk about what regular people are making bust their ass all week, you could just show up on a Friday due to shows on a Friday two shows on a Saturday one show on Sunday, you'd make fifteen hundred dollars he'd get home. A lot of times. It was cash you'd be like, how do I how do I do this job? What are you gonna start? I'm Mike night. You got to become an apprentice if so with I can look you in the face until you something I knew my freshman in high school, you ready. Yeah. I knew one thing for sure what I did not want to date, you know, job. No, no. Yeah. I didn't say that. I wanted a job, but not a giant office. No, no. There was no day job future. How was he? The only be a bartender a waiter. I was going to work in a warehouse like a company white rose and Seacaucus of frozen warehouse. We just got lobster tails and shit. You had to like bundled up. They paid you twenty two an hour. They gave you. Thousand every ninety days to buy clothing. Like, I was set to do that. I had no problem work nine to six. I knew one thing about my life that I was not taking a day job. Because the people I grew up around. My mother did not -oday job. My mother went opened the bar at nine set the bar up beer, boom. And my ten thirty. She was in Harlem picking up this going to a met game eating Chinese food. She didn't go back seven o'clock at night. Then she worked three I had no problem with working. My first big job is bartending from five to one in Manhattan. I just knew that my days were mind. I like that. I didn't I wanna be opposite everybody else. I wanted you to leave the fucking house when I walked in. I'm gonna make my own eggs. I'm gonna smoke a joint. I'm gonna watch TV for an hour sleep 'til to get up lift weights. Defendants that's what I did not want a day job that people want the app. Possitive some people's personalities that they wanna go somewhere with someone tells them what to do they want to sit in a very safe -struction environment and do boring shit. I didn't I was there's a company in my town. They may P Anthony impera Torah when I was a kid fed everybody the deal was you went down there. Right. Teen eighty two. Let's say it was seventeen fifty now. So you shaped did you ever shape? What's that mean shape? Is you just go down? And they look at you like Marlon Brando on on the waterfront, you stand out like a fucking moron. And they come up the we need six people tonight. You you look pretty strong you and there's thirty people calling shape shape up work. You gotta go sign up at the hall. So if you're a longshoreman and all that shit, if you don't have work, you do shape up work. She just go down and wait for your badge number to be called. And then they give you work. So I used to work at a p as shape guy, she got on APA, right? And the first night general pace me he sees. M fucking meal a meal. A you ain't gonna break me the ship started at seven and they went to six, but sometimes it six a lotta fucking Volkswagen engines came in and hey, you out another fucking gorilla, picking Volkswagen engines, so I used to what I used to do was you couldn't work more than six days a month. And they had to put you in the union. So I would work APA white truck, whatever there was three different companies that you could shape for. So what you did was to get into the union was once I found that Joe is cool. Joe new I worked at your jaw yardstick, I three hundred so I have guaranteed two days a week work, which is still eighteen dollars an hour, plus overtime. So I did shape up work. And then if you complete light twelve if they made a mistake, and they gave you twelve days in a month. Now, they had higher full-time and your life changed forever APA that guy in parrot tour, and you know, what he owns now the fucking ferry at the ferry that goes back to New Jersey back and forth jerseys in New York City. That's impera, Tori, didn't stop Brown. But when we were kids his facility, he took such cares. Employs his Jim when the New York nets. Went from the Long Island, the New Jersey. That's where they practiced the first year. That's how good in the seventies. His Jim was like have you loaded trucks were allowed to use that gym. He already had shit that nobody had. He had fiberglass backboards he had water weights. He had shit that nobody had like at that time. But my point being that that was what I had high school. I could shape up work, and I could still make a living and eventually some he was gonna hire me. I was gonna work like a fucking meal, but I'd still be making fifteen hundred week, right? When you're in nineteen eighty which which was a lot of money back, then which wasn't bad. Those are the guys that by the boats, and they go to Atlantic City. They wear white shoes on the weekends like more. Everybody else you've made great money down. Yeah. So you shape, you could also do that as a longshoreman you down in Newark and stay there. And then after fifteen days if giving the union charged you five thousand for book, which means that you get five thousand the enemy you got benefits the rest of your life insurance pension. Yeah. And you realize that you weren't gonna work in Cuba. Cool. I did not. I knew that by light that night loading shit. You nights. I walked home at route three with no money I made days after loading truck all night walking home on route three because I didn't have enough money for the bus. I just had enough money for breakfast. And I would walk up and get breakfast at the dining, I go wherever I was sleeping fucking go to sleep. I didn't know anything comedy didn't come into my radar till the month before I went to prison. A month before I got locked up a month before I got arrested for the crime never mind prison. There was a salesman they hide, and I just we did not get along man him as Christ. He had this. He was American Indian a piece of was American Indian and even had that Charles Bronson looking his eyes and one day mean him got into a beef over a custom. He said the customers was his and it was mine and me and him banged up face to face, and they had a break up. But about a week later. I was on the point. That means you're outside waiting for a customer to try to get a customer on point. He came out. And he goes, man, listen, I don't know what happened between us is name is Brent another forget that man. If I was twenty five years about forty something forty four forty five and had a fucking. You know, I was doing drugs and at the tough guy mentality and Bank, and I would never raise my hand to some of the old. I don't know why I want after him that day. But he came up to me put on his hand. And goes, listen, man. I don't on about nothing. But he was you know, what I was doing. What is right? No, I don't own a damn by. I was the entertainment coordinator for casino MAs Vegas. And he goes, I don't know man, you make fucking that. And most shaking his hand going. Thank you the fuck away from me. I make you laugh stupid. And he was telling me I had a career in comment. I was listened to him. He said, you should really give it a try. Mike, you fucking crazy. Stand up comedy. I like, Freddie prints. I like, David Brenner. I love Richard Pryor. But. Fun criminal. I can't do this shit. Not a month. I got arrested. And then when I came out, I didn't think about it. And then when I fucking came out for real. There was a guy that loosened. Pismo beach. And he used to talk about it. He was you ever. Consider stand them commun- come on though. With drug addict stand up comedy. I didn't know stand up comedy was about work. I thought that Joe Rogan just call it. The commies stories that have a camera in ten minutes on the down. And you take out. I didn't know that you had to work eighteen months again in our material. I lucky good. What I thought. That's how fucking off. I was. I just thought that when I saw John Leguizamo. He just went down. He just went down into the now, that's what I thought. We're perceptions of it. But you know, the thing about it is that it's a possibility. And no one ever says that it's a possibility it's not an easy possibility. But it's an is an option, but being a fucking physicians not an easy possibility either. But he tells someone you wanna be a doctor. They don't look you like crazy the amount of work. It's probably pretty similar. There's a lot of work involved in being a doctor. But it's a path that's been taken by many people. It's clearly established you go through school you'll through medical school you go through residency. There's all these different steps that you have to take. Everybody's really aware of with a stand up comedy career. No one whose other than the people that have done it. No, one knows what it is you. And I both know that in order to be, you know, say physicist, you have to go through a certain amount of education. We, you know, if you had oh, Tim, son. He's really smart. He wants to work for SpaceX. What's Bill rocket ships? Like, oh, okay. That's a possibility. You can do that. He really smart you go to school. You get a good education. You follow through you. Eventually there's a path there with comedy. Like, no one knows that pass other than people that you were are people that have actually done that path and make a living doing it. We know it but for everybody in the outside. It's like what is that? And sometimes you need someone to come along and tell you like the guy who you're working with for me was my friend. Steve Dr Steve Graham, for the he was my friend when I was, you know, he was telling me when I was like nineteen, you know, was like you really funny like you should be a comedian. It's funny to you other people are gonna think I'm an asshole. That's all I was thinking is that I just I wasn't big on public speaking. But Gami and public speaking, honestly, what helped me was teaching when I was teaching martial arts. I had teach in front of all these people though, I'd never spoken in front of groups of people. But I was really good at the time of teaching classes, I learned from, you know, mine. Instructor and there's a way to do it. I was very enthusiastic, obviously was my life. So it was very intense about doing it. And I got used to speaking publicly in front of these large groups of people, but it was because of speaking about something that I I was good at and then I would teach at Boston University. When I would go there and teach the classes, I'd start off the classes, you know. Basically said to them this you take this class. Try hard. You're gonna get an a it's pass fail. A it actually counts. GPA? So this is the easy. A I don't want you to be fucking Bruce Lee Jackie Chan you don't have to do that. I wanted to try if you come here and try you get an A. That's simple. And so, you know, became friends with a lot of the kids 'cause they were like my age some of them were even older than me, and I was teaching them. So that was how I got into public speaking. It was the first time to think before you even answer beside stand up comedy where you ever staged before that improv troupe and grammar school play in high school playing grammar school in college. I took. No, I didn't do any. I don't I don't think I ever did anything. Maybe I did. I don't remember. But in college, I took a course on public speaking. It was like some sort of. It was some sort, of course, where we would do like little play. It was terrible the teachers terrible. She was short little lazy lady shoe, so lazy like the way she would give classes with says it was continuing education program at UMass. She was just terrible. And there was the people in the class where it was very loosely organized. Explain the lessons very well. And you know, we had to put together some little play our member was me and this girl in this guy. We put together we made some little funny play. We wrote it together. Those around the same age. I was probably thinking about doing stand up. I was probably nineteen or twenty at the time. I never was always shun them on that stuff. I was always embarrassed. And my six when I got thrown on a Catholic school in the sixth grade. I had this guy, Mr. Levin show on Fridays. You had a choice to fucking who be part of the ecology club. Hang on the class. What made me I was lover, Frankie Valli. All right. My eyes door ju so he would make me Friday, go up to the front of the class and put my eyes door John record plan, and I'd sing it like not lip sync. I'd really sing it because I really have a good voice growing up. I was in the band as a singer. Well, you you're in a band. Yeah. The sixth grade you've done that fucking rock and roll show. What is that? It was formed this what does that show? Call comedy jam. Yeah. You've done that. Yeah. Would you sing? Would you sing killing in the name a load? That's right. You did recently things I ever did you. Oh my God. Singing and doing commies two different fucking worlds. Did you have to learn the song and practice? They wanted me to. But I couldn't go to first day see over hersal. No rehearse like new the song, you know. And it's not. Where is this being held at this is that? Couple. Here's visit like a year and a half ago. I love music. I've just I love all this shit. I just can't. Whatever happened to Reagan's machine whether they're doing these days day all want different. They're there right now today, they're in that ban with be real be real be reels in the band with them public enemy, what they're all in the renegade. Super. Oh, it's fucking tremendous super banned. What ban is this? How do I know about this? I've something of please don't come on don't embarrassment. I can't yes. Sons of rage or something's of rage. And it's Tom Morello the singer from public enemy be real Chuck d Chuck day. Wow. It's way flaming it. I don't think. So I think they told flavor flav is he still married to songs ex-wife. No. So those X might just had a baby office of -rageous profit who's in the band. Couple of guys from rage public enemy, cypress hill. Yes. The loans ex wife had a baby she was eighty five years old. How the fuck that? She have a baby she had the last egg. They found the last there was tucked up in a quarter the full beam tubes. Listen, Mick Jagger, singing at seventy five. I guarantee women have little long. I wonder if he's going to dig a little deeper you gotta dig deep deep deep the monkey got to be an Janet Jackson have one in fifty. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's there in there. You just need a guy to give you a stabbing to generate everything behold and back a lot of loads k- keep those loads for weeks. No, jerking off. No, nothing. No, wet dreams for weeks. And then just release the hounds. Forty eight as a woman after forty eight from what I've read forty six forty seven your chances of child have autism, very high. There's a lot of chances of little things going wrong chances are with the males. Well, you know, really over fifty. Yeah. With men there's a bunch of factors, but one of the factors also the age of the father. That's why you see more kids these days than before as people are putting off having children and having careers later and complications one of the theories as to why this more tickets another theory is that there's not more autistic kids, which were just better at diagnosing. What the issue is with children, then we used to be before I say we very loosely obviously Brigitte Nielsen of that. So she had her first kid. This is her fifth shoulda. I kid when she was young and vibrant and the fifth kid when she's base. Basically a monster. Cut blessed? God bless her cod. Fucking blessed. Fifty five healthy, baby. Good for I don't in. My my little girl was born. I kept looking her angels fifty five incredible. I kept my my daughter's is issue stoned. God TAC was my reform. I shut that loan of death. I shut that stone allowed. It's kind of funny man, when you think about the window of time that you have to get pregnant and impregnate someone. Just you know, you if you're running to someone you haven't seen them in like ten fifteen years, you see me like, whoa. Okay. Time time is real just wears on people. You don't think about it? When you see people day in day out. I see you all the time you same to me. If you don't see someone ten fifteen years like, oh, wait you look at a picture yourself hotel room. Oh, you go to a hotel room that mirror. Don't live. Walking bullshit on that. Hides curbs as your nose you go to a holiday and you walk past them marrying. What the fuck up and their eight. Are you watch it? I watch a tape and myself with Mike. Wow, man, I'm getting old, but you'll be a monster last week. I fuck and took a red Ida Cleveland. Get the Cleveland was the only direct white. You know now. Everything's fucking crazy to direct light today. Everybody's gonna fly potato nineteen hours. Right. So my my choices when leaving eleven in the morning leave a day early which ain't happening or take a Red Eye that night, and I took the Red Eye and we landed at six in the morning, which is three LA time, which I'm never up past in twelve thirty anymore. And I took it thing. The hotel me and George Perez, you know, for a couple of minutes. I was a little like look at my fucking life. I'm fifty five I'm fucking taking rather to do Cleveland when I got into the hotel room. I sat down my computer like, I'll Faulk lucky mine. I'm still doing spots at the fucking store. I'm still going out and doing weekends. I never dreamt of this as forty eight and I'm fifty five and headlining a great time laughing my fucking balls off. We forget from moment time when was the cartoon show and hadn't even get pissed off. I said George atop the Cup. We walked fifty is it was a cab. And that was the end of that. I don't know. I told you that perception. I mean, if you showed Brigitte Nielsen a photo of her today when she was twenty and said, you're gonna look like this and five minutes, she'd probably freak out Trump terrified. But now she's fifty five. It's one of like, we all we all become j Howard Marshall Anibal Smith's fucking husband. We all we're going to go this so much time. You don't stay beautiful forever. This is going to be amount of time where your body just stops working. Right. And your tissue starts hang off your face. And just it is what it is. And it's perception a lot of it is perception, you broke it down with your Romero Eugene's Laghi, look somebody. What's go-? We discuss it thous and times. She's married. The richer gear with the beauty Mark. You said you saw her somewhere. She was still fucking beautiful. What's her name who's married? The rich get Cindy Crawford was. Beautiful. And said, you gotta be kidding me. Ranters six months ago. There's two two girls high school Facebook have. As the year and imports about kids. And it's it's also how you take care south out gall. Yes. And whether or not you happy to happiness the outlaw. Yeah. The tobacco tobacco's a big one tobacco's. Listen, I was thinking about this. How it's so weird that once every two years, I don't know what Joe Rogan, I hate lean this person. Sometimes I hate being this person. I like to have something going wrong. Like, I still have that bug itself sabotage sabotage every once in a while, I go to the comedy stone. I see drinking everybody doing everything else in here him when fucking water I gonna asshole. I don't smoke at night when I drive because I can't see at night. You know what I'm saying? So I can't smoke. I can't get high. Sometimes I go on the back, and I get so once every red band somebody give me a fucking cigarette and I smoke five cigarettes and I'll smoke for a week. Do you know your Pap pack of cigarettes, eight o'clock at night and smoke like a fiend and throw them out of the car on the way up the hill. You know, I'm bad. I feel the next day. You could see how bad fucking cigarettes are feet and number two is alcohol. You know, you say this how many cigarettes we smoke like in one night. Yeah. Twelve really I'll through all the other eight away in the garbage. Wow. And then the day a lot that's a lot because I'm a savage like was when is the last time we did this about two months ago? Really? Yeah. And you don't worry do. No, no. No, no. I could all that shit is bullshit to me. Why do you think I said that shit about the Ambien? I was putting around where you're trying to be cute. I do everything I'm so, but I do everything. I'm so right now. I don't do everyone. I don't do actually cons. Right. But on the road people give shit, and sometimes I put my pocket throw people give you people give me should all the time. You take the chip people give you all the time. I just I just took some acid fuck in somebody gave me, blah. And I put it in the I put it in the battery thing, I have a shaver took the bladder acid and put it in the battery thing so became like battery acid they call league. I totally it was Wolfman jackass. He didn't know Jack lose. Was. Man, Jack, there's a guy remember that guy that motherfucker what other that he will persona the hunting of the couple one time and Felix wanted some music publishing is horrible. So Oscar cer- friend the Wolfman Jackson, the Wolfman Jack Mabille like and they're both outside the studio. Wave Wolfman Jack Wolfman Jack with two freaks got. We'll look on his face is like, man. I dig his I date yells tonight. But he goes. Been this depressed in the loans. This. This is just bad. Now, if you don't mind he goes, I gotta come down this battery as drinking last night. So I've never forgotten that line as a kid that Wolfman Jack ligament as he still alive. No videos, didn't see seavy still alive. Nineteen ninety-five. Wow. Long time ago. Oh, yeah. It was born thirty eight Jesus Christ play that black and white video in the lower right hand corner. Yeah, we hear that. Give me some volume. Wolfman Jack's going to get kicked off you too. Man jag. Air check from August, nineteen Seventy-three his first night at sixty six w n by NBC your first air check first night. Oh weird. To me a little speed up a little bit. Fuck at the actress back then for the guy even talks several minutes into the recording. What the fuck? Gets together on the way. Maybe got better as long. No different world back. Then all you had to do is have a big personality loud and crazy and people got used to listen to a certain person on the radio radio personalities were different thing. Man. It's like you'd become accustomed to listen to someone's voice, and those the person wanted to hear I remember certain radio deejays Charles Lockwood Dera on the big mattress in WBZ and Boston listen to it every morning. Let's do what I was delivering newspapers. He was the morning guy, and like every place, whatever morning guy, and this is still a few of them out there still a few morning guys out there. But man, they're cutting those guys back there cutting those folks back widdling away their budget take away their money. You know, they have to do personal appearance Wild Wings and shit like that and fucking shoot t shirts out of a cannon. And all that nonsense says it's a dying dying institution the radio world is a dying world. It's weird used to be every. Had a car radio. Listen to the radio drove around. What are we got on the radio? Oh, it's tune in. What's good local stations? You'd find him. Listen to some good radio. Thatch? It's gone now, man. It's gone. It's crazy. It's gone. I was never like talk radio guy. I can't lie talk people that talk sports and people call in fuck you. They love it. But Yankees should've beat one last night. It was a rep job that should me fucking crazy, by the way. Congratulations. The Boston Red Sox. They will fuck tough tough. I don't watch baseball throughout the time. But the Cuban wants ten becomes I love the art phone Jero. It's a beautiful, by the way, not only get back. And I got a g the I'm the only Cubanacan play baseball. I'm possible. The only Cuban that was the worst baseball plan the fucking world. Even my mother's out going to the game. I can't I can't you just a virus the shit out of me. I was terrible. But during the playoffs I watch that shit. Religiously. Yeah. Mytalk my uncle, and he feels me and my uncle tremendous, my uncle fucking knows he's eight he's been watching Bain knows. So I'm on the phone with him during the playoffs, and it'll be watching and I'll talk to him. He's he's he's Radha meal. Often Spanish look at the way, he grows the ball and look at his finger how it's just it's a different art and Boston was just to topped the arro- had thieves baseball player with the it's tough to play against Vive. That's why I mean, your partner at the you have C tight Goldberg with boatswain's Nettie red fans, what do you mean by the people still basis? Oh basis. I love these because they don't. Let the pitcher get into a rhythm. They get into the pitches. Head start twinkling their arms and now the pitches. Gotta keep looking at show. The and if you ever get a chance to watch the old Cincinnati red bull park a good game. If I find when I'll send it to you. And you watch what that the on the? The the coach comes on. He takes the ball from the guy and the guy walks off, and they call the reliever with Cincinnati Reds coach come out and the pitcher would go take this fucking Baugh. And they wanna picture get because since it was the king bunting getting on first then play with you head starting with steel sticking, and they would hit a single Cincinnati Reds one. Those all those us with Pete Rose. Pete Rose wasn't home run. Pete Rose was headed that means every time he came up to bat, you're going to have a problem and ham and Concepcion and more getting all those people that would just single hit as those are the worst at least home run. I know where I stand, but these mother fuckers that Clob with singles doubles that's different game. And then I'm stealing from here to really get down. Like, I'm stealing second stealing third that that's that's that's sparky. And this and that movie, I know you never watched it. But that's what it is about the movie rebrand pet. He about baseball. Never saw. That's a great movie because he explains that it's on base percentage. All the this is bullshit like they like Ed with this guy walks a lot. He got on base. That's what it's all about. Yeah. And that's the and Boston played that same game. The thieves. They still it was hot attack baseball. You. If you bet the last five games got bless, you got Bush. It's the I got back to my room and Cleveland two in the morning, but still playing to in the morning. I went to bed dodger game was still on. It's tremendous. This is the time of the year. I love playoff baseball one starts in April. I don't want. I don't know nothing. I don't watch. None of that shit. None of that shit. I played baseball. When I was a kid, I stopped doing it. When I got into martial arts. I found out about taekwondo because it was waiting for Red Sox game waiting for the t to get home. And there was a big ass line to get to the t- because Fenway park with let out and walking back from Fenway park to the train station. I saw the school, and I went up there, and this guy named John leaves a national heavyweight champion light heavyweight champion at the time. And he was about to go to the World Cup. And he was up there kicking the shit out of the heavy bag. I'd never seen anything like in my life here in the sounds of it. I was walking up the stairs hand chink lump chain. And the want was him kicking the bang and shake was the chain as the bag would go flying through the air and slam against the chain. I was like that is the craziest fucking sound and I walked in and this guy who's just, you know, at the peak of his physical power. He was just at his very best. And he was training. For world tournament and just watching him. Do that was so terrifying. Thinking like if someone kicked me like that like what it would do to my body? And that's how I got into martial arts because I wasn't in the team sports, man. That's one of the reasons why I got into wrestling. I'm Lisa wrestling. It's me against that guy. I hated team sports hate the fact that we were losers because a little Billie dropped the ball. Like, I didn't. And I I didn't play for the team either. Like, they would tell me heart Rogan, go try to get a saying like get the fuck out here. I swung. I either got a home run or struck out every fucking time. I either 'cause I got home run once and I was like, oh that is so much better than getting a single. You could suck dick for the rest of your life or singles. I don't give a fuck about a single. I felt bad. If I got on base, and I got a single because I connected once cut Colorado and the ball went I could hit pretty hard. Not ball went fuck in full, lying, and it went into the stands. And I was like, oh, this is what it's about. It's about doing that. The only thing that's good about the stupid fucking that and catching balls so many cracks went out there and catch it. That's pretty fun. I can even book hit a ball my life. I used to but the strike out making. I was just terrible at pay small. I just had no nothing for when I went to Miami. I used to go to red berries baseball camp in the summers. Just for a week. It was a week camp that you went that at like basketball was my shit. Yeah. Basket, we good real good. Real fucking good. Really real good. Went the five star basketball camp on Harvey Garfinkel anymore. You ever fuck around my shoulders, so bad now my shoulders. I can't to jump jitsu yet. But I can't you can't get me Americana. Like, you can't I tell people don't Americana me, you come more me to that bad yet. Like, physical therapy breeze. I should by. You know, listen, you gotta pick your battles and today's insurance world. So that to the point where I can lift to go to kick boxing, you know, hold the microphone. I'm funky. Right. I'm fine for right now, my left my right knee is fucked up that's going to have to do something soon. But for right now. What's wrong ad never fixed? I think when I was doing physical therapy. I read it after the surgery it never considered to get meniscus thrive. This whole thing. So I'll go back in there again and let it all cleaned up Nyla basketball. But I also love martial arts growing up. I love the whole thing of going to do informs and practicing, and they can do some fucking tremendous shit with stem cells right now, Joey they could fix all your problems. I bet you. Yeah. Am I shall this fixed fixed it how how flexible let me see you grab your hand can do that shit goal away back, and he'd do all that show. Yeah. Dr do everything. Grab him. Go. Can you do that shooting? Like, this people grab that might kickboxing place on call while they could grab them all the way over what do you mean? They do something fucking different. Like, I don't do this and go all the way. No, no. I know what to do. They take the broom, and they go that way. All the way back. I'm done. You know, what else is real good for you hanging? Just hanging. Just grab a hold the Bar Chen Barnes and hang from it. Super good free shoulder stretches him out releases impingement s- too good for the joint. Now, just go out there and my little gym area out here to stretch out. The president's award either. Because I couldn't do a pull up. You don't have to do a pull up into standing up the great. Still to this day. Can't do one. No, never do a pull up even when I was one eighty lifting weight, really what strength guys you couldn't do a pull up when you were one eighty that doesn't even know what the fuck it was I moved to when I moved to when I went to snow miser village. My roommate was from Brown, and he had another brother, and that another friend, and that train them this guy name Ira Wolf y grew up IRA will went to the Olympics to be a training, and these acceptable to of these guys are still alive, and he's guys did not believe in traditional lifting. They believed in slow motion heavy lifting. Ten count on the way down the ten count on the way up guys still believing that and the strength doubles like you strength doubles, the strength is. So slow motion knows really into that. I'm stein. Eddie's felt Scott upstate. Yeah. He's really into slow MO training slow-motion lifting. These guys were really fucking into it. And today the one guy who talking while ago. He has no injuries. All that. All that. Like, they they switched me when I was doing fine. The next in front of the next day. Like, you're wasting your time just to squats cleans what's the other one? They do that gets you fucking traps giant J Norma's. You just get one lanes impresses just I just the I clean even just just to I clean in price. Well that should tremendous. Yeah. All that show. In fact, I went back to a straight boy using. Straight bargain. Yeah. I like the straight off I've been squatting you do kettle bell classes for a while to right? Weren't you? Yeah. But the kettle see the problem with the keto Baal is that if you read that that guy's book or anything about Pavlov, he says that the kettlebells I don't even know if that's his name Powell cellini it's supposed to twenty eighteen fifteen minute workout come out. Yeah. What they do is. They the the new crawfish community taking kettle kettlebells. And you're just hurting people cata byles done for you to feel good into enhance a different workout like when I do cat about. Thank God for on it. I mind when a club while workout Berta crane taught me how to do swings with club batch where you turn you inside your wrist. So everything turned so, yeah, I burn a lot of show on my shoulder because I do it that way. So when I do a keto ball workout, I incorporated with the batch from on it. And I do it like a circuit training. There's a straight one all this. And even with that even because I before I went to physical therapy. I wanna try to club bats because they have all the way on the end of the helped pull that shoulder. Yeah. All the way the fuck down like for me to do anything to stretch my shoulder before and after really deep I go to go against the wall. I wanted even the guy brought on borough Zini Galil lousy gauzy a lot of his little for great workouts in even right now on it's got that keto about six Chem six whereas transformation. They got some great stuff on the guy. Sent it to me the beginning. They call it something else instead of up, they call it something else. Does name is not Josh Wolff, John John Wolf Dzhambul good. He's fantastic. Fantastic clubs is that they're not that heavy, but they're odd. So like you're holding onto the end of it. But the way is the. The other end, and it's this long thing. So it's very awkward, and you could get a really good work on with fifteen pounds. I mean, you really can't. That's all I use fifteen and ten I got a five from on it to bring my wrist. You get a five, and you really really break the flash on your wrist with the five they have an exercise that you go over and tweet a full set of here. Tremendous tremendous tremendous. So that's that's what I was doing wrong. The keto Bo class. Why am I swing in the guerrilla? Why my swing in the fucking gorilla. Why swinging the grill? I don't know. And then you turn me Steve Maxwell study five pound for now. I do five and forty four pound. I love Steve Maxwell stuff. So I keep I keep Steve max. And then you will one I called you at the last dilemma, and you're like, well, let's do it. So now, I do three three and three. And I'm oh, yeah. Three Turkish gaps to refocus at two cleans and three swings. Just a few days a week yet. Listen, if I'm on the run most hotels, I've kettlebells really most hotels are starting to come around. I go to a hotel check. And I go up roller joint. I go downstairs I smoke on the way back I checked by the gym. If I see cattles, I'm very happy. But I keep it to that read three and three because over fifty issue just be three days a week. It takes a lot to recuperate. Well, it's also you can get in more wraps over the week. That's really what you want. If you do a lot of Rabson one day. The problem is you destroyed afterwards. But if you the same amount of reps over the course of five days just to shorter workouts and do many of them. You don't ever get destroyed your body's fine. You do all the other things you do too. And I think you become more consistent with it. You don't worry too. I do too kickboxing conditionings to digital digital corporation. Digital incorporates the class doing the technique. 35-minute roles. I got up and walk away 'cause anything out his defeating. I'm defeating the purpose, right? Right. The north with bed twice a week, especially on Sunday. What the novato Abed what does that the novato advantage? When I told you about the last time, I think they sent you some information we're discussing it last time, it's to rent light therapy. Oh, okay. Novato bed. Twice a week Nova Thor. Yes. Nova Thor bed look up. Okay. I got into novato Abed twice a week, especially on Sundays to take all the that thing right there. Yes. Thinner fitter, healthier, happier. And then I go in the crowd therapy to three times a week. So what I do. I shouldn't my workout. And I could do it more often may going to clash and fighting any to the debt, right? Does nothing form. Yeah. I'm not gonna improve right? And I'm not gonna do that. Because I'm not going to be able to roll for three or four more days now. Yeah. That's the thing is recovery. Anybody the fifty and I number one you've got to go you God over fifty strength strength. Oh, gosh. Because that's ARCO ping fucking kill you. And that's when you start getting hunchine, and we all become our grandfather. And when you do stand up, it's it's just got to be stronger. So I went back. I meet these guys twice a week. And we pack it on what you put on there. Because it gives me exactly and we opened up with a squat to really get the system into a fucking frenzy. You there's no jumping jacks. No bench. We open up warm up. I I will do a little warm up and the first two sets. I see the fucking devil. It's on a stop watch. There's no sets it's on the stop watch. So he'll go four hours four minutes ago. So four minutes squatting squatting for three minutes. Three minutes a lot of time squatting, but it's ten seconds up. Ten seconds back the last two fucking saying that that I'm thinking about getting a heart attack, my whole thing and the right from negative pulled down machine right from there. I go to back twister. It's really weird. How does apply in twenty two minutes? That's a good workout. I mean, two minute physical strain lifted some weights getting that a bone density tightening up all your all the muscle grabs. A Luke stick works. That's the most important thing. I don't end up on NBC doing commercials for decommercialise. You don't want. You. Gotta get them a look stick, and that's from lifting weights, bro shows day one. Yeah. I don't care what anybody tells you give me an old guy. That's. Doing lifting a little lightweight three days a week doing it for as Maluku stick all that shit. So what is it GNC with Frank Thomas high and it's good for your lady to that shit. Don't work does Frank Thomas bunch of thirsty. White people hanging out those commercials of the worst. We've played those commercials thirty time how you ladies going. I wish you would do that. My. Yeah. Franks. Fuck he's he's overweight. I'm doing this that GNC should don't work. You wanna keep them? A luke. Stick up oatmeal study on this. The study. I didn't dependence study see what works the most hope meal, coconut milk, and that motherfucker had some debt. Listen squats. You'll be stabbing. People to those things elevate testosterone increase, your hormone levels. That's for sure dead lifts and squats the kings of exercise those are so important because they work your whole chain. They work everything the fucking dead lift doce, me and him. Everybody does his book. That's when I really I went to the white one day. And I started like I started light. I got a coach the first time to go with the basics. And then like three weeks later. I thought I was might they'll chain. I went into the center of five that list, pro ACA, feel it my central nervous system. Like, you really does. Essential. It's just feel like this fucking realizes. Oh, Jesus This crazy. Fuck is. It needs us to lift weights and needs us to carry heavy things all the time. So you just get stronger, and there's only one way to get stronger. Or your body's going to increase testosterone, go to rebuild all that tissue that you break down. Right now, brother your first place in this context. If I wasn't in first place, I jump off a fucking builder. How's Ariz too? Disturbed that they thought they were gonna win. I'm ahead by two thousand points. This is what I'll tell you where right now. I mean, obviously out all these guys. I'm the one who's been working out all the time. Obviously, I've been working on my whole life it. So I have a ten thousand one thirty nine RA's in second place with eight thousand two hundred ninety nine. Yeah. Tommy buns in third place. Tommy has just recently banged out another hundred so he's eight to five nine and Bert is strong in last place. Strong talking all kinds of maj shit. And he's more than two thousand points behind me that slob. And I haven't even worked out today when I work out today. They're all going to quit I'm gonna I'm going today. Even though I'm two thousand points head I'm gonna go for six hours today is a day of death. Got as many as gotten as many as a thousand points in a day. No one has gone close to that. He's get fucking keep going thing is when you're. You can't do this anymore. Yes. You can't do. Twenty minutes. I do a variety of different things. Breaking Joey a run the hills with the dog for good. Our do about two miles in the hills with a dog. So he's exhausted. Otherwise, he's a puppy. You know, he's he's two years. He's a pain in the ass if he's not worn out. So I wear his little ass out. So we run for two two miles which is in the hills. Pretty fucking St. pills. Turns out to be about forty minutes. Forty five minutes close to now. Get back stretch out a little and then I decide what else I wanna do yesterday. It was kickboxing. So I hit the bag for another hour and a half. I turned on some old fights in the gym. And just fucking went to town put on the ringside timer. So it's giving me rounds and the ringside timer gives me thirty seconds to. So I go thirty seconds hard, thirty seconds. Not so hard, thirty seconds. Thirty seconds nights. Hard one minute break. She's water. None. Or no notion guards. No to really kick the shit out of that fucking bag heart. Fucking my shins up to kick boxing class fucked up. One of my phone guy toes. It just blew up and blood started coming out. I went home late around and said what the fuck did not in my tail might toenails cut. If you slam your shin into a bag for an hour and a half a full blast some tissues gonna breakdown something's gonna make like right now. Everything sore. My ankles are sore. My knees are sore. My lower back is sore. I went I went whole ham yesterday. But you know, that wasn't a big day for me yesterday. It was like four four hundred thirty something points. That's big day for some. It's the most of ever worked out is did six and a half hours, and I got thousand points, I did five and a half hours. I got nine hundred points. And then I did another hour just to sort of like at the end of the day just to loosen everything up, which is hit the bag for an hour. Just I just because Burt was talking so much shit like this. We're going to put the Bill who everything Joe does I'm to double who like, okay. Okay. We'll see we'll see. He went hiking with Ari was quitting. While he was hiking. Hiking is walking. It's walking these guys are walking and they're getting tired. And he's talking about beating me in fitness contest. It's outrageous. Plus, he's enormously overweight, the one who's the real issues? Ari? Always sneaky fuck are might try to pull it out. Even those two thousand points behind he might try to murder himself over the next two days get to two thousand points, and then put another one thousand into beat me on the third day. He he literally might try to do that. But I'm not gonna let them. We're here we're queer. They're there's they're fighting for second place. Good luck, boys. I I let them get close up until while ago to about a week and a half ago. And then I just turned it on my okay here, we go. I had a plan. My plan was to to get, you know, first of all I was not doing this much cardio before. So we're twenty nine days in-state at thirty. What is today's twenty nine twenty nine twenty nine twenty nine days in I've taken four days off took three days off because I went to Vegas with my family when you have si. So we're gonna go on Thursday when they Sunday, I'm not gonna work out. Just go have a good time. Relax sees guys catch up. So they caught up to me. And that's when Bert posted. Please who I really hadn't eaten worked out. And so I said, okay, I'm done with that. Now, it's time to kick it into full gear. And then when I kicked into full gear, I'm steady every day three hours a day three and a half hours a day four hours a day, sometimes sometimes two and a half hours in the morning, two and a half hours at night, just six hundred points day seven hundred points today. Eight hundred points day, whatever I gotta do to stay way ahead and the my my goal was. So the last few days to be so far ahead that they're fucked, and they're all just scratching Claude for second place. What's the what's the what's the stuff that she you don't get anything? I wanted to lose it have to drink a goblet everybody else's piss. That's what I want. I want. I wanna Burt to drink piss. I feel like bird has to lose this. I don't see how Tom Tom was sick. He was sick. As a dog on antibiotics like five days came back in one day. And he ran thirteen. Motherfucking miles for six hundred points. Yeah. Yeah. Ran around the neighborhood, thirteen fuck and miles. The dude ran for three and a half hours. Just ran. Does wanna lose and doesn't want to lose to Bert, even if you only comes in third place as long as he's not Burt songs you beats Bert. That's where everybody's at because Burt talked much shit. Everybody just wants to make sure that Bert loses. He's got the DiMaggio. Gene of murky moonlit. He thinks he could just half ass his way through something that's an actual competition because he's just look he can push himself. Visit big difference in pushing yourself and pushing yourself for a whole month. That's where he's fallen apart. And he's been talking so much shit. We're all laughing at them. So yesterday, we're all everybody was going out today yesterday job and MU. Ted's bouncing what do you say you sandbagging are in Thomas sandbag headsets in sorry, super aggressive? I still love them. But man. Sandbags, bro. Sam baggers him back held on to the stats like a week. He did he did Thomas line about being Ari held onto stats and he's allowed to do that. We're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to the manly thing to do is to put it on the table and make everybody try to fuck and keep up. That's the mainly thing to do. Ari is obviously a sneaky fuck, right? And he obviously is also the one who worked out the least at all of us. So he at one point time stored up a thousand points and had them on his device, and then released him and Bert had went fucking crazy. You fuck who cause birth thought? He was a head of art. And then all of a sudden Arshad ahead of him. That's how it works. This is a competition at the fight for last right now right between. Yes, it's a Pfeiffer less birth. Gonna get he's gonna lose that fight. He's gonna be last Tom's gonna work out today. Tom's going to Tom I told you Tom got six hundred fuck and points yesterday or they're fighting. They're fighting a group text. Let me see what's going on. Here. Oh my God. It's long. It's very long. Oh boy. There's a lot. There's a lot of fighting birds very angry, very very very angry. He's very angry because he's realized this is gonna come in last because he was saying he was saying yesterday, here's slurs. He goes he goes in your barely winning. I go 'but ahead of you yesterday was two thousand three hundred points. I do you have any idea. What the fuck you would be saying if you were head by two thousand three hundred points, and he was it'd be respectful it'll be. Jeez. Fucking liar, man. Probably you fucking liar. The. This. You know, this is a is a rig game. It's if I don't get hurt it's a rigged game. That's just what it is. It'd be drink snow got caught drinking this now. And nothing didn't you don't you think the purse Franken, did you say you looked at you? All right. Let me tell you the story you tell me what you think. Okay. Because this is the fucks up my feeling even her every Wednesday. I go to pizza after karate with mercy. We go eat pizza sitting that it's the neighbor pizza joint were sitting there. And look at my wife, and I go isn't that Bert? Dude walk through. They look just like what had put my pizza down. Go on. I go aycock sucker drinking because it looked like he six bag or whatever holding it. He turned around way that me and kept walking this Burke Russia. Right Burr crisis is a guy, you know. I really come back and talk to me. So the next day litas me, tell Lee that mango. Yeah. I saw birthday. Yeah. I mean, come on talk to me Lee, puts down lead cells me that Burt put down a tweet that one of his fans yelled that him. He didn't know who it was. And he didn't know who it was. He can't walk and he knew the fuck it dog. If I you know, it's fucking may say conch suck at the end of the speech. You know, it's me look what else Bert does first of all Bert knows. He's behind a staggering amount. He put in the most bitch ass workout today. He got what is this one hundred forty nine points that is that is not enough. He worked out for an hour and fifty minutes, you've got one hundred forty nine points. Because at the end, see the end all those grays, maybe it stayed on. No, no, he kept his he kept his strap on. He worked out says an hour forty. He worked there for forty minutes. And he kept a strap on for an hour trying to get some extra because he's dying. So it's hearts elevated. So you get some points for having an elevated heart, but look at this all his gray shit at the end. See folks, see all this. He can't sit here. Let me do something here. I'll show people here all this nonsense. So I'm gonna work. You get for eighty percent of your heart rate. You get yellow for ninety percent of your max heart rate. You get red. I tried to go all read the first day. I'm just gonna kill them. I'm just going to sprint for half an hour and just make these guys catch up. There's no way that catch up then Ari in his fucking ingenious and devious ways found out that you get just as many points for eighty percents. Get ninety percent we figured so they've lawsuits, so he said, okay. So it seems like the sweet spot is in eighty percent. So just stick to eighty percent. So you can do that. Or you could be like Burt and Bert barely gets to seventy percent. Mostly stays in the sixty percent range, which is gray. And then eighty percent, which is well sixty percent is like this fifty sixty and seventy and seventies green. No. Yeah. Seventies. Green. And then blue sixty so he's mostly blue sixty percents mass car, which by the way, I might be at right now because I'm getting angry. So if you got mad you'd be in like the blue and you get two points a minute for the blue you get four points minute for the yellow where it goes c sixty percent to seventy percent. You get blue Burt is almost all gray and blue. And if you look at this Fuk, and slobbery workout he's got all that shit. It sixty percent and lower most of his workout. So that means most of the workout that he did for an hour and forty nine minutes him with the fucking thing on just sitting around. It's an hour and thirty minutes. So it's most of it is him with the thing on just sitting there being fat. It's all it is let me ask you what is this called? Because I like to go on it's called this Maezono, fitness tracker. This is the thing you put on your chest. Yes. You put it's a once. I snapped us in it'll start measuring my heart rate, and I'm gonna put it on when I get out here. I'm gonna start working out. And today these are the three days of death today's Monday, tomorrow's Tuesday and Wednesday. We go crazy Joey deers Wednesday. I work out to eleven fifty nine and then at eleven fifty nine pop that off and a walkway. At eleven fifty nine. And then I go have a glass of wine because it hits midnight. No, wait, qualifications on this nothing. No, but lose now, there's no losing weight. I probably gained weight. I haven't lost. Anyway, I've eaten everything that moves. I've put zero dietary restrictions ate a whole carrot cake. The other day the mount calories burning is fucking insane. Like, I'll give you a forensic science on a day. Like a good coury day in terms of like how much like yesterday one workout two thousand two hundred and fourteen calories. One workout three hours twenty five minutes. And then the day before that one thousand nine hundred thirty calories the day before that there was two workouts? One was eighteen hundred seventy six calories was two thousand two hundred and ten calories. These are. I mean, this insane amount of cars one workout. I had was four thousand nine hundred. What's that entail? When you get your eighty is at the running. Yeah. The lifting. I can't I can't just do one thing craze. Okay. I'll get bored. All right. So I lift, but the lift doesn't give me much lift is like blue and green. That's all you ever. Get from liftings swings or chin ups, presses cleans impresses windmills, clean press. Squats, renegade rose or keto Bill? All kettlebells. Yeah. And obviously doesn't give you much doesn't give you my. How would you too fat juicy would probably be pretty good? But this thing we get in the way, if anybody mounted you crack, this thing would crack you don't if you lost this on my God, be death break this with my finger. I'm pretty sure I could break this it feels like we runs a lot. Yes. That's the number did an hour and a half bag yesterday because I have the gym at home. So I went fucking hog on put put fights on put fights on fire. Just start fucking wailing on that bag and keeping the party going. But see if I if I got cocky right now, these folks could catch me, especially Ari because he's probably going to sandbags more and hide his numbers because he just wants a beat Burt because he got super pissed at Tom Rupa Fook, Tom Tom put up all those points yesterday, six hundred points days a lot of points. But like I said dude ran like I'll tell you what he did Iran thirteen fucking miles in his neighborhood. And this is after being sick. But he's feeling it today. Today gets hundred forty five points. That's not good. You're not gonna win with that. They're not trying to win trying to beat. I know that one day he was US crowd therapy birches left here. So I knew he was doing some. But I know he hasn't been gone consistently. He Burt doesn't do anything consistently. But he doesn't watch Dieter. That's the problem with perk. He's not watching his diet. He's not eating. It's not an either. It's the booze that sugars mother. Fuck it is that shit turns into sugar night, biz Achilleas. You know, what else kills you? How you both people think that fucking does a ton of shit that fucking casher just stick to what happened on the banana. I try you know, I love us. I ball's they make my house Chia seeds ju-. When I'm in the middle of like, these brutal workouts, drink a whole soda in the mealy work. I drank a cream soda yesterday in the middle of a work. I needed sugar needed it. I didn't know you need it. Because I felt like I needed it. I was fucking burn up so many calories. And I'm my my blood sugar is crashing so hard. I mean fruit. I mean, I when I the one day that I worked out where did five and a half hours. I was eating boxes animal crackers. I was in everything. I could what I do is what you told me to do. I when I get home from tie lifting a protein, shake, I put I swear to God, I take her she's serve you told me a little bit. Just go tick ninety. A second of it. Yeah. And with the Mexican chocolate works perfect. Can you know, so I do that with the protein drinks, but I try to avoid sugar. Nothing. More deadly. Sugar. But see what's happening with these work is you're dealing with an extreme loss of electrolytes and extreme loss of glucose. I mean, I'm putting salt in all my water. Drinking a bunch of these now, gene, you know, announcing bottle is like with a twist top. It's a thick heavy plastic thirty two ounce bottle water. I'm drinking three and four those a workout in those putting electrolytes, and then I'm putting sprinkles of Himalayan salt some putting a little like a half a teaspoon of Himalayan salt in each one of them shaking it up because I'm losing insane. Amounts of water. I sweat so hard. I set off the fucking alarm I set off my fire alarm in my gym from sweat from my steam, the the whole room was like a shower from me steaming, and I put it up on Instagram. This is the kind of work out. I'm doing I mean, I'm pushing hard. Because this they're not making these these guys are actually doing. Fucking fire alarm. That's legit. This puddles on the ground. That's from me pissing, my pants. That's all sweat. So I'm sweating so much because the salt, I'm staying in the eighty eighty percent max heart rate range for hours. I'm staying there for hours. So my thought was there's no way they can do that. They're not gonna do that. There's no way. They're not gonna do that for five hours, which is not. So like if I did one day like that I felt like one day where I did I got nine hundred thirty five points in one workout and then another hundred points afterwards. I'm like one day like that will separate me from the pack. Just one day just put fear fear in their home. And just ask you some just to be everybody. What about stuff some of the stuff? He doesn't that kind of. You mean testosterone one hundred percent helps I told them to. I told them this is a fuck them shoot shit all those shut gave them. My doctor's information. I told them what they should do. I'm also at least eight years older than all. All right. How old Ari forty one forty one fifty one. Amo- than all. With this dust thrown. I got you side on. Oh, yeah. You should. I'm feeling all those tests. Yeah. Dasta replacement therapy hormone replacement therapy. I started doing all that when I was forty. So that's their age. Yeah. Makes a big difference. Fuck. Yeah. Is listen everybody. Everybody listens. There's a stigma attached to that. In a lot of people like, you know, where you're toast Ostro from get it from my balls. All that matters. Is that you have in your system, if you don't have it in your system, you're not gonna feel good. It's real simple. If you're fine with not feeling good good. Go ahead stick with that. But if you're not fine with it. This is two thousand eighteen hormone replacement therapy exist for reason, and that reason is it makes you feel way better and makes your body work way. Better. You can avoid a host of ailments and conditions that are related to your body breaking down due to age with hormone replacement therapy. The key to doing it those do it correctly supposed to doctor that's going to test your blood levels test, your nutrient levels, and it just your diet. I the first thing that happens is they wanna find out how much you're sleeping how how how stressed out? You are what are you eating? How much water you drinking? Are you getting the proper amount of protein and vegetables eating correctly? Let's get you off of the sugar. Let's get you off. The booze. Let's get you off cigarettes or whatever else is before they do anything. So they put you that. This is a many many month process that I went through with a the get you off all these different things, and you make these adjustments, and then they start adding a little stuff out a little bit of growth hormone at a little bit of testosterone. I it was cream and then it became injections takes a little bit of time to figure out what works best. And then you get to a point where you're you have the hormone levels of healthy young, man. You don't want to elevate. You don't want to be higher than that? That's when you run into problems. You don't wanna be in like some crazy veto Belfort when he got popped from, you know, Nevada, and he was like superhuman levels. And that was eighty percent of my mother Sunday night against. He was supposed to fight rumble. Johnson wants them to the Christian. Nice guy. Nate Marquardt may Mark. What level really high in Pittsburgh that night? That's right. Yeah. They say Berg it was in danger. He was like it was there is dangerous health the levels. But he says that was his doctors Dr fucked them, the the whole idea this difference between first of all this big machine someone competing in mixed martial arts, obviously, you have to worry about your opponent getting hurt because the fact that your enhanced and these are young guys doing this. When Nate was doing this. He was like thirty years old, right? When you're talking about just general health and wellness to doctorine replacement therapy hormone replacement therapy. There's a reason why a lot of older guys especially guys who can afford it. And they have money they're doing it. Makes you feel better just does. And if you don't wanna do it. That's fine. There's ways of elevating you testosterone natural that just don't work as well with his dead. Lifts running hills doing sprints. They work a little bit better. It works a little bit better than nothing. But it just watts. Very good. They not enough for what you're saying. No, there's going to be a difference. I raise them through acupuncture. I know that she's discussed raising tasha acupuncture. I would like to see studies on that. The problem is it's really painful acts faithful for that real rouses feet. Yeah. I'd like to see studies on that. I don't know if that's really been proven if that was really proven. This. There's ways to raise it, you know, the chick. I was with for years told me different case studies that she had been involving. Yeah. She told me a guy came in once that found the young girl is wife passed and they found the young girlfriend. He couldn't keep up and he couldn't keep up. So he came into see or she did a bunch of stuff and put him on t he came back and said turn that shit off. Dickel not shutdown like, but she told me she raise you this on levels. But it has to be needling through your feet, you're gonna find that a little bit uncomfortable. And I was like leave it. I don't wanna fuck and walk around all the stuff that we're talking about whether it's warmer placement therapy or squats or dead lifts all these things will help hormone placement therapy helps the most the thing about this kind of competition that we're doing now, we're we're not doing anything that you need massive amounts of testosterone. This this is about as willpower willpower for month thirty days toes, but a lot of is discipline and willpower, and if I have any advantage, it's that I have a gym in my house, and I have a gym in my studio, and I run with my dog almost every day in the hills. And I've been doing that for years I've been taking that dog running since he was six months old. He runs in the hills with me all the time you fall in love with running. I love it. You know, why love? Joey, here's a big thing. Because it makes me feel better in terms of like my mental state like I'm happier. When I run out of time this whole month. I'm fucking I feel great. And I don't just feel great because I'm not smoking pot. Like, I may maybe that's help. Maybe that's good in some way. Maybe it's good not smoke pot eve. No enjoy it. Maybe it's not good to smoke as much as I do. You gotta smoke Thursday morning. I don't know. No Thursday, finding New York probably won't might smoke. A little over the weekend. I'm gonna play some pool. My boy, Tommy junior down in New York. But. The what the thing that really helps because I'm doing insane amounts of exercise hours and hours of exercise a day. You don't give a fuck about normal bullshit. Like, all the chatter all the negative chatter in your head that should goes away doesn't exist. I don't care. I'm super calm. No, anxiety, anxiety goes away. I think I I'm not a depressed person. I don't suffer from depression. But we had Tyson fury on the podcast. Jealous listening. Amazing amazing. He's a fucking. He's a brave man. The way he opened up about read the comments and whatnot. Yeah. Suicidal thoughts pressure and all that can help. It doesn't just help it helps fucking tremendous. If I if I found a drug if a doctor put me on medication. I was like dot com. Fine. I'm happy. Everything's good. The docs, like just like you just try this for a while. Until me tell me how you feel just put me on something and I had to take a pill a day. And I felt as good as I feel right now sitting in front of you. I would be like, wow. You were right. I feel better this exists. But it only gets through discipline, and nobody you can't give someone something that forces them to work out almost every fucking day. I worked out this month. I didn't wanna do it almost every day. The only thing that kept me doing is Bert going to double with Joel does who. All that that got me angry that got my competitive juices stirred. And just the idea that these guys I've been working out my whole life. This barely work out. Like, they're going to beat me in some sort of fitness competition that involves willpower. That's not going to happen. I'm going to put in more time than you. I'm just going to. But all that aside when I did do it just doing it. I feel fucking fantastic member tapes, you made a man and house of blues concern, I don't wanna live. No more. I wasn't working out. Yeah. Now, I do something for days a week minimum since I've been on Weight Watchers. I didn't hit the one week because I was antibiotics I got a rash on my leg. And so when I lift I felt a little weird by still everything is hard excise antibiotics. I felt that lifting. Yeah. Squats had to stop phys. Always stop. So I I in fact that went off the I can't live very few things will kill your system. I can't about couldn't do it. And that that's a real wakeup call for people that don't understand the benefits of probiotics probiotics like taking acid Dafa Louis or eating kimchi or in eating anything. That's gonna help your your micro bio, it's so beneficial to your your well being to the way, you feel the way you health is your vitality. All that stuff is connected. I like yogurt yogurt fucking great for love yoga yoga a lot. I don't like the Greek as much as the other when I get the low point one. I'm a guy. Everyday loved that shit, juice. But you gotta watch the sugar in that what to Khumbu. You got to watch the sugar in that two point compooter for eight ounces. That's not bad. Now. It's not bad not bad at all beneficial, though, very beneficial. Computers. Fucking amazing thrilling good avoiding sicknesses, but with this exercise amount of exercise that I'm doing drink bottles of that shit. I don't worry about nothing that there's a lot of benefit and that to me just to be able to eat whatever the fuck I want. I mean, I've been eating everything in front of me man this whole month. I mean, I've doubled how much food I eat eating fucking. It's crazy. How much I gotta watch everything. I get it. I get I don't touch. Damon him that night. Sam is good. I do a lot of chicken breasts my meat intake, cut just to third. I don't agree with you on the meat and take any more especially at night. I don't fuck with that shit at nine if I eat meat. It's maybe three times a week. Don't get me wrong. I still crave a fucking stake. But if I take my wife out of the day, the state I had to cut in half. And I say if the next day for breakfast nothing wrong with that trying to eat meat early in my day. Let it digest by the time. They end like an I no more no much, no money funded. They would talk when your mother was visiting you. And I would talking about Italians that they can't eat pasta after their fifty. They lose mine, you know, as you get older, you lose thing you can't eat them. And I've had I think Sebastian told me the gravy bothers him. And my buddy jersey was hysterical. He's like I can't even walk as a pizza place. Well, it's. It's also don't lab the feet gout. Get got that. You got from sauce from the acidity in the sauce. People get it from wine, you know, used to be called like emperors disease. Because people will just sit around and drink wine when they're rich like it's like, it was a rich person's disease way back in the day is one bad. No one's once. Everything's bad in excess excess sugars terrible in excess. You have you know, like the rock eats like a fucking a plate of cookies one day a week another wrong with that nothing wrong with a day where you fuck off have a cheat meal. Son wrong with that as long as the majority of your diet is healthy. The majority are diet should consist of leafy green vegetables, healthy fats, healthy meat, you know, grass fed. Fuck. You pussies egg whites. They're good jokes. Great while the fuck one of our sponsors, the eggs sponsor. They forget the sponsor. But they they they give you they sell actual cage free eggs, people say cage free, but they're all fucking jammed together. They might as well be in the cage. What is it farms? Spell it. Vital farm, the IT AL, right? Vital farms, and they'll the eggs they have our fucking dark Aren joke that robust yoke the tastes better taste bad. Because those see that shit. That's what a fucking as the chickens. Are they still giving you great eggs also? And they haven't been giving me eggs lately beginning like couple exit day, the most a company that sponsors you. Yeah. My chickens again old man. I don't know. How store I recognize that? Yeah. I think they're just selling store, but you know, they have services that will deliver stuff from stores to your house. Now how crazy Cubans eat eggs, fried eggs. I'm white rice. It's good. She's Kreis fantastic. They break the yield on the fried rice white on white rice, a love it. And then the other Cuban thing is white rice with a stake on that. I love it with two eggs on top. You're supposed to bring us what they call it. Eggs on horseback. Where walk I o. Well, I exile voice back that's gusting generally talking about sounds. Oh my God. When that your grace over the stakes. What are you saying especially over white rice, Christ staking all the time? I love steak legs. But getting the watch the fuck in once a week once every ten days, I can't eat I can't fucking pancakes. No, the hardy pancakes have one from cases the bunch of bread. It's just bread, but they have the heart hardy oats ones with a little bit of one zero calorie maple syrup. Well, you know what you can get. There's a company called no foods K N O, W foods, and they make a fucking they make waffles that are like I don't know what these almond flour somebody that they taste good low carb, very low sugar. They fucking taste fantastic. And they have a zero sugar syrup that tastes fucking great. Put melted butter on those mother fuckers and that zero sugar syrup and eat the shell those wom case good zero sugar syrup is village. I'm good. And you eat it. You don't feel bad. It tastes good tastes, really fuck. And when it's over you don't feel like a fucking like you get hit with an insulin. Dart feel that feeling that you get when you eat like real waffles with real sugar and got that we got the shoes kid and. An hour later you barely can walk now with these these these fucking things you feel fantastic. Joy Diaz your Netflix special. It's out tomorrow right tomorrow. Jesus christ. I put up a thing that our boy Michael Klein made from one by one podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Can't play a man's stand in front of him driving trays. Myself. But I I like the clip clip looks good. Yeah. It's funny. It's funny. I'm very thankful of Netflix or give me half hour. You know, I just feel at times. I didn't do really well on the on the show. Like I felt like I felt hard on yourself. You're an artist. No. But you know, I felt like not to be trying to be cute funny. Like when you see Ron the kicked and she was sitting there for the first three minutes. She was upset about the kick. But you also said about the training you see on the holes in your training. What you've made him states nation made even to issue going kinda went down for a couple of minutes. He was just sitting there. He's not thinking about thirty million. He made there's nobody about the mistakes that got you that, you know. And it was weird that I didn't think I did that. Well, the Netflix special is personally, I wanted to do better, you know, but but ever since that you can't ever since Utah. July June thirty I have different levels. Stand up comic. I went back to Mitzi shore technique. I don't give a fuck fifty five. We don't like me. I don't give fuck. Well, offend you. I really don't give a fuck. This is who I am. And that's it. I've been having some tremendous sets the original benefit of doing these things. I don't give a fuck. No the benefit of doing these specials as you grow you abandoned on the material, and then you force to regroup and you force to look at the material. Look at you set. See what you don't like some people never do that Joey and they never grow because of that. It's just but the growth I've had since June fourth I feel like dust emporium max Holloway together. Like, I say it like in the original. Now, I'm back to referendum. I finally had to watch. Just just gotten my head. I had to watch couple some red FOX bashes. I I watched a couple of Bruce bashes impact that my favorite. I got all the vinyl from Richard Pryor that went back and listen to an I came with the conclusion that what was giving a fuck about. I can't give a fuck about this. All fuck him. I'm going to unleash the wrath of fucking God on you. And we come outta here. We'll see what the fuck it is. You know, the worst thing I did was a week before. Jim Norton says something that kind of bothered me once and then I understood after he said he said, he didn't watch people specials me. I like watching comedy specials. I love watching it. But we before my specialty registering in the world watched John Mullany special who's a great writer. Was a great writer. Come not a great, right? Everything was me and my energy. So I wanted to be John Mullany. And that's what I felt looking back now. Now, I got it all out of the way. I know exactly what the fuck. I am. And you're in trouble. I'm taking into murky waters. Now every show, and I'm gonna say some to offend you. Because that's why am I talked dirty shit. You know, I don't give a fuck with anybody thinks anymore. But once in a while my wife calls it Joe you having a white moment. You know, white you cute, but not the fuck off headshots like here, he goes again. I don't even shots. No, no, headshots and decades. No, you don't need them. No more. What are we talking about? Shut the fuck picture of me off line. Well, you look so older now I don't give a fuck this us. Thank you very much Hanky Brady. And it's always a pleasure. I see this week. Yeah. I'll be around this week. You know, you know, because I got shit to do before Lee for New York. I'm not going to be around. But that'd be around after that. Okay. November first. Thank you very much. Pleasure. Brother. 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#1344 - Joseph Ledoux

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#1344 - Joseph Ledoux

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It's that simple with stamps dot com at five cents off every first class stamp and up to forty percents off priority mail not to mention it is a fraction of the cost of one of those expensive postage meters stamp dot com is a no brainer saves you time and money and it's no wonder why over seven hundred thousand small businesses used stamps dot com and right now listeners this podcast and get a special offer that includes a four week trial plus free postage and a digital scale without any long term commitment hurry just go to stamps dot com click on the microphone at the top the homepage and type in j r e. My guest today is joseph la do he's a neuroscientist who has a new book out called the deep history of ourselves the four billion years story and how we got conscious brains. I fucking love this conversation. It was excellent and i hope you enjoy it. As much as i did. Please give it up mm for joseph. The do the joe rogan experience podcast the joe. Thank you thank you for being here really appreciate it now. It's pleasure to be here is a fascinating subject. I'm really looking forward to talking to you because the conscious mind how how we how we evolved our conscious mind how we have our conscious mind. I mean that is one of the more unique things about being a person it is. How did it happen happen well. It's only a four billion years. Story is absurd so shall i tell you how i got short short into it and where we're how i ended up thinking about that problem so i've been working on how the brain detects in response to danger for most of my scientific career a little bit before that i'd actually studied consciousness in these people who have their brain split apart to control epilepsy call split brain patients so i got interested in consciousness and also in how behaviors that might be produced non consciously affect what we know about ourselves so we see ourselves doing something and then he kind of consciously build that into our narrative of what we are but a lot of what we do we do non consciously and when we interpreted that kind of <hes> solidifies defy the fact that you have a non conscious system. That's controlling your behavior. When in fact you you didn't do it but that's just it's gotta make sense of it and generate an exclamation narrative so that <hes> that was where i got started and tried to figure out what would be some kinds of non conscious systems and said well. Maybe emotion systems are producing behaviors favors that we don't fully understand and i started studying that and ended up <hes> figuring out how this part of the brain called the migdal receives information about the environment arm and then controls orchestrates all the responses fight flight cons of responses to help you protect yourself and the <hes> you know after many years of doing that. I started asking well how far back this ability to detect and respond to danger. Go we know that bugs and flies this can do that and research had been done showing that <hes> bugs lives have certain molecules in their brain that are important in these kinds of protective protective defensive behaviors and including the ability to learn about them in store those memories so it's easy to work on those little tiny <hes> <hes> invertebrates than it is to do studies in a complex brain even like a rat brain which is pretty complex so given that what these people are discovered discovered about invertebrates. I and others who were studying novels decided to see if the same molecules might be involved in mammalian learning and in fact it was so now that raises the question you got the same molecules during the same thing same molecules same jeans doing the same thing in ancient invertebrates and then in animals like us so you ask where back in time is the ancestor ancestor that made that possible got the same jeans either kind of happen spontaneously separately or this comment sister and indeed there's a common ancestor and that goes back to the first organism first animal had a bilateral bobby which means that left right front and the back and top and a bottom so it has kind of three dimensional sides before that there were animals like jellyfish that were radio <unk> but no front and back they just have the top to bottom and before that they're sponges which are no front back top bottom they just kind of randomly organized so oh that's kind of the that's the story of animals sponges jellyfish to these bilateral animals so the ancestor the the bilateral animal that we're talking about gave rise to those two lines one the became all these invertebrates like flies and bugs and snails and octopus and although things and another to animals like us vertebrates on fish reptiles mammals birds and so forth so those are two separate lines that inherited these genes that make the memory and defensive behaviour possible so well. How far back does it stop there. It doesn't because you can find those jeans on through jellyfish and then keep going into single cell organisms. Now these are like protozoa <hes> things that give you intestinal <hes> their intestinal parasites so they can you know give upset stomach and <hes> things like amoeba para mesa that you might have heard of in biology class in high school or something these have no nervous system and yet they detect and respond responded danger. They learn about their environment. They do all these sorts of things. And where did they come from well. If you go all the way back to where they came from even simpler kind organism still single cell of course like bacterial cells now these guys go back to the beginning of life the first sell that that ever lived some three point seven billion years ago. The gave rise to the entire history of life was a bacterial cell that started dividing now. It's interesting that sell that started. Dividing is the mother of every bacterial cell that ever lived so it's it's more like it's re you know that cell is still alive because it's they reproduce by cell division so that's still sell just keeps keeps reproducing and part of that i sell ever is still with us today and all the bacterial cells that are that are around kind of mind blowing thing. It's incredibly do. We have any idea why the first cell decided to divide well this. I shouldn't say the first sell that decided. This is the first self period so is the first cell that was able to to sustain life long enough to give off offspring could sustain and sustained sustained and so they were probably lots of experiments before a kind of cell or kind of group of cells had the right stuff to be able to do that so they those ios others never made it because they didn't have quite enough of what it took to be. A cell could do that so the first cell i mean it's kind of a hypothetical sell. It's called luca the last universal common ancestor of life whoa yeah and that's that's about three point seven three point eight billion years ago <hes> but it could have i've been a bunch of cells collection of cell cell types <hes> that that one of which then populated all of life the weird thing about life is not just that it's different vary so much but that it's a it's ever increasing in its complexity well. If you go back to the single cell and then you come all the way to today to a person right like what a weird sort of transformation dangerous to talk talk about as if we're moving towards some kind of goal is the goal but we're not say no. We're not definitely not i. I've i've been more and more thinking that artificial life is the goal well th i mean. There's no goal line. There's survival is the only goal of every organism and that's <hes> that's what i was able to generate a set of biological go properties that could sustain itself long enough to reproduce. That's all you have to be. You have to live long enough to reproduce and to do that. You have to have energy energy resources so you have to incorporate nutrients. You've gotta balance your fluids. Otherwise you know you have to keep your eye on straight or the cell will get too big and explode or too small all the collapse. You've got thermo regulate because all of these things depend on the right kind of internal temperature and you have to reproduce those are the the survival survival requirements of a cell but they're also the survival requirements of a human so the same things that have bacterial cell has to do to live through the day and create create. A species is exactly what we do ever to reproduce ourselves we have to eat drink defend against danger corporate nutrients and balanced balanced fluid's ions that way defend reproduce and so that was the mind-blowing see i wrote the whole three quarters of the book is scientific journalists because i didn't know any of this stuff. I had to just learn it and there's a lot of fun but it took a long imagine when when you think about the original luca and then human beings. Do you ever try to extrapolate you've ever tried to like. Keep the process rolling in your mind and see where where's this going to go out out. <hes> so the end of the book i paint a not so rosy picture of what was going well. You'll be so let's talk about the end of the book so okay. <hes> i say okay well. Are we have these two kinds of significant can experiences in our lives that <hes> that occupy the human mind one is the kind that we can call an awareness of facts facts. You know this thing is here and the other is what we might call a self-awareness <unk> where it's it's me that is aware that that is a bottle so that's that's a higher level and that is what appears to be a unique to the human mind the ability to represent the self as a subject in other words to have these subjective experiences that have personal past. It's not just the past but your past you lived it and a person present and a potential future that you can imagine different scenarios of you existing in in the future so that requires <hes> that's called autocratic consciousness the ability to to self know about where you are in time and it depends this is an idea that was proposed by a guy named endel tall being very distinguished psychologist whose retired now but his idea was that the unique aspect of the human mind is mental time travel the ability to project ourselves in the past present and future future and without that kind of consciousness. We're limited to kind of factual information. Something is there you know that might. I might be able to say oh oh food. Is there or drink. Is there are a sexual partner. Is there but not necessarily that i want that food. I want you might have a kind of biological. Urge towards it now from the outside. It looks like everything we do is intentional willful so i think i'm controlling my behavior. You think you're controlling yours. I see you do something that i might have done in a similar situation. I think you intentionally control that. We see a dog doing something. That would be similar to what we do. We think we know why the dog is doing that because it ahead some intention but the fact is if we start taking these things apart in the brain we see that the systems that control very simple behaviors are not the ones that are doing all this high level conscious thought take the example of <hes> the area of work on for all these years which is threat detection. Now the this part of the brain called the migdal is key to the detection and response to threat in kind of basic sense. <hes> so you know threat comes up you freeze it a snake for example now. It's all because of that. It's been assume that the reason you freeze because you're afraid and therefore that the migdal is also making the fear because they make de la experience the fear and that's why you produce the response but i've for for the longest time in throughout most of my career. I've said the migdal does not consciously experienced fear and yet my work is the been used to kind of sell and <hes> and defend this idea of the mid. Dila is the brains fierce center. I think that's completely wrong. Why do you think it's been misinterpreted. Did it's a long complicated story but you know it's it. Partly it's my fault because i was not <hes> <hes> as vigilant as i should have been when i was describing what i did was i i would talk about the middle as a non conscious state of fear non conscious implicit fear <hes> and i would say that while the neo cortex is where we consciously experience fear here and those are separate but that was too complicated the the journalist kind of ignored it and it was just it just became the middle is the brains fierce center. Even the scientists just ignored it because we were studying. I kind of gave up after okay. We've talked about it in terms of fear because you know that there was a lot a lot of money to be directed towards research if you're studying fear and how you can treat that but i think it's you know it's been kind of a wrong path because it's led to the development of medications that don't really work so all the big companies are getting out of the the anti-anxiety eddie business anti fear business because people still feel fearful or anxious when they take them. You mean like xanax long. Comedy is getting out of xanax business. <hes> bins owes annex. I mean they're not either that a repurposing them for other purposes but so what happens is you the way these things these things. The basic drugs were discovered in the sixties almost accidentally in some cases you know not rather than buy by some hypothesis so the only thing that's been discovered since then is more versions of the same thing with slightly fewer side effects but there's been no new the discovery of a new kind of drug. That's going to help people and why is that well the way the drugs were discovered as the take a rat or mouse. Put it a challenging situation situation. Give it some different medications and the ones that make the animal less timid in those situations is assumed to make the animal less fearful earphones and that's why he's less timid so when you give it to a person they should be less fearful but what you find say a person's social anxiety might find it easier to go the party. They'll less timid but still anxious while they're there and the reason is that we now know is that damage to the middle and a person doesn't necessarily also so eliminate the feeling of fear it gets rid of the body responses but not to feel them so it was a misunderstanding of what behavior can tell us we treat behavior as if it's an ambassador of the mind but behavior is really a tool of survival that goes back to those first cells that ever lived who had to defend against danger injure bacterial cells move in there in the water and then they come across like you know a a gradient of some chemical that's a toxin soon as they detect that they bounce away and go in a different direction if they are they find a gradient of something is nutrient. They keep going and absorb it so they have the ability to detect what's useful and harmful in their lives. These are not these are not there for psychology there simply there to keep the organism alive and many the the behaviors that persists throughout the whole history of life or like that they're they're because each cell cells in the body has to you know do all these things to stay alive and so the organism as a whole has to do as well defend against danger incorporate nutrients balanced fluids dumber regulate reproduce reduce so these are survival tools not mind tools now we can use our mind in conjunction with these things and because we can we can flake slate every time we're freezing in the front of the snake to the fact that the fears what's causing it but the fear is separate process. It's the awareness that stuff is happening to you. The awareness that that stuff is happening to you know self no fear. Oh my t shirt now. How do things like xanax work. What what's the mechanical process. Okay so the that's a part of the class of drugs called dicing and they will they bind to receptors in the brain. The brain has receptors for all kinds of chemicals and many of these things are things as it exists in nature and what the the they bind to a receptor called the gaba receptor which is the major inhibitory transmitter in the brain so when you you have a benzodiazepine binding to gaba receptor what it's gonna do is increase in addition so the you know the kind of simple reason why lied those things can help is they kind of inhibit so toned-down the brain a bit and so things that would normally trigger response. It's no longer trigger so it's like increasing the threshold for something to bother us in a lot of people enjoy that with alcohol and not post to well alcohol also tax south like you get double they factor is that why they tell people don't have xanax because you can you know if you if you take a a lotta annex and drink a lot of booze you can d- or you could just say crazy things not totally be aware. Do you remember that story about the woman she was. I believe a publicist and she got on a plane. She's find africa and she <hes> said i'm going to africa hope. I don't get aids. Aids just kidding. I'm white l._l. She thought she was just being funny and you laughed and she landed in africa surprise so you know the story no but there are other stories. This was one of the original stories of someone ruining their entire life with just putting you know one little tweet online. She thought she was being funny like she. She would say a bunch of snarky things like that a bunch of funny trying to be funny but she was on xanax and drinking and woke woke up completely oblivious and her life had been destroyed. She was fired. You know she was a social pariah and i'm <music>. I'm pretty sure that was xanax alcohol that she was blaming it on yeah well these powerful drugs and so back it to how they they work. They work so a drug like that. All of the drugs that we take go to the entire body body they don't they're not able to find their way to one little spot in the brain and do their trick there. There's this you know talk about. Magic bullet brand <hes> both talks it might be able to be targeted for specific circuits and but that's a fantasy at this point so if you reduce in addition in the entire brain yes you might reduce anxiety but you're also going to change a lot of other things so you're gonna make <hes> for example forethought and ability to reign in things like the stuff the woman saying <hes> more difficult because they're attacking the prefrontal cortex where you have some inhibitory control over behavior <hes> they're going to alter your ability to retrieve and store memories marines and to be to attend to things and to the extent that these drugs have a positive effect on some people <hes> <hes> it's been said that part of the reason is that it's kind of a general blending of emotion. It's not an anti anxiety drug. It's just kind of a dulling of everything and you get banks i._d. Anti-anxiety as a part of that but if we don't understand how to do better <hes> we have to figure out what the the brain circuit. That's really making us. Anxious is and not just what's making us. You know not but not toning down everything. It's kind of like you know you go to restaurant music's too loud semi says please turn it down so they've turned down a little bit. The music stays samsa same song but it's not as annoying because you've turned the volume down and i think that's what a lot of what these medications can do. Turn the volume down a bit or turn it up you opinion but you do correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there some sort of a slingshot effect like after you take these things in your anxieties ramped up afterwards well it can be a rebound. You know the fact that can can also be kind of a lot of people next day. Feel depressed because just the the stuff out of your system and you know if you take. It's kind of like taking sleeping pills. Things like ambien are of the same general category of drugs benzodiazepines and so you get this hangover the next day okay so it's it's just a physiological response to the medication is not that if you alleviate some anxiety then the anxiety wants to come back even stronger now so i've i've i proposed in my previous book that <hes> we have already set point that <hes> you know that that say you worried about something and all of a sudden that gets resolved just makes room for the next thing so you know each kind of fill that four because our brain is as you know. We've developed a brain. That has a certain kind of set point for everything. It's doing and that makes room for you know to fill the fill up. If you're an anxious person you probably will always be somewhat anxious so there's no magic bullet. That's going to take that out but you have to do is attack the process process from knowledge of how it all works and that requires that we have more sophisticated understanding that then as possible from simply observing observing behavior because behavior does not tell you necessarily what's on the mind behavior tells you how the brain has responded but just to go back to the the fear threat example when that say i bring you into the laboratory show you a picture of something like a blue square <hes> my colleague list who used to be at n._y._u. Is now at harvard did experiments like this and every time the blue square would come on the person would get a mile shocked to their finger and so then she would present the blue square subliminally that means really quickly with the something that follows it the kind of mass that and that prevents the information from getting into the conscious mind and <hes> and so the person so i didn't see anything but if you put the person in an imaging machine f._m. Mariah and <hes> <hes> image what's happening that stimulus that threat the blue square gets to the victim turned it on the heart begins to race ponza sweating but the person has no fear the person doesn't know it's there and doesn't experience for your the migdal is not about fear. It's about the texting and responding to danger in order to be afraid that has to reach your conscious mind so that you can experience it as a state of this auto eddie consciousness that we're talking about self involved consciousness. That's hard for people to separate yeah well. There's as a physical response that your minds unaware of it right but when you understand that that's why it becomes understand that's why the medications not working. They're targeted to work. Com these underlying systems in rats or mice but that's not where we are experiencing our anxiety but these medications are very profitable right. I mean people enjoy millions of prescriptions written to phase those out. They'll probably they're probably all going off patent and because the company can't find anything you you are not going to keep pursuing it because it's not going to be a prophet anymore but don't people still want them. I mean it seems like that's a really popular indication. Yes that'd be like they'll go to <hes> you know become generics and people will be able to get them for less money. They'll just do whatever they want off label. Whatever i mean. It's you know i do think that for example the the drugs that are available do help people because it's important to reduce the behavioral timidity and physiological arousal that goes with that because if you don't treat that then the conscious mind will be reactivated by those responses if you only treat the conscious mind then the physiological stuff will bring the conscious stuff back everything will bring back the everything else awesome. They should treat the whole system and you have to do that. You have to understand the system and we've just misunderstood it. I think for so long. I have a friend in who he takes it. Every day takes xanax every day and he says he needs it and says without it. He's just a mess well you. Whatever gets you through the day. I guess i'm not a therapist. I'm not advocating. I know i understand but from your perspective from an understanding of the human mind and all the systems that are at work work. It seems like that's really not the way to do it. Yeah i mean it's you know. I'm sure that that's the you know in a sense. Maybe that's it's <hes> his crutches way to get through the day and <hes> he's come to believe that he needs that much like an alcoholic believes. They need a drink. Yeah yeah <hes> i'm calling him well. I'll call. He does like to drink too yeah but he's a great guy. These these the systems that are in place and the all the various things that have gotten us to two thousand nineteen as human species when you studying diety and he studied fear and all these different things is are are we experiencing high levels of it because there's not as much real physical danger our ancestors experienced and it's almost like we're looking for it when it's not necessarily they're like we're we're programmed to be able to deal with it and that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that way but i think that's a good way to think about it. I mean you know the philosopher. Kirkegaard said the inside is the price we pay for the human ability to choose and this is where our auto know edit conscious comes in our ability to to think think of ourselves as having a past and future to be able to to to plan and choose in the future you know he said it started with adam making the first choice this human than the garden veton that was where it all began <hes> so and our ability you know you can rephrase that statement by saying our ability <hes> to choose shoes is <hes> what allows us to be anxious because that is <hes> what anxiety is a worry about what we have. We are going to make the right decision you know. How can we deal with this thing. That's coming up. It's a worry about the future in the ability to think about the possibilities possibilities might like what could go wrong could go right. Am i doing the right thing and then to contemplate all those various choices anxiety yeah yeah so like you know you. You're walking through the woods as a snake you might freeze but almost instantly that fear that is generated by you freezing and seeing the snake <hes> morrison to anxiety. Will the snake bite me <hes>. If it bites me we'll get to dr. We have the anecdote. If i die will happen opened. My family were things on so these are kind of separate fears about a danger. That's present anxieties about one. That hasn't happened yet. Almost always as soon as you're afraid that makes you anxious about what's going to happen and then there's general existential angst <hes> the the the the life itself existences that just what is this and all of that is due to <hes> our prefrontal cortex ability to conceptualize to <hes> you know imagine things that have never been imagined before to create art to build a create architecture bill buildings imagine going to the moon designing finding an instrument to do that actually pulling it off and make sure it can get back all of that is something that our special kind of consciousness <hes> enables nabil's but it has a dark side which is it also allows us to be incredibly selfish and self centered and narcissistic and to <hes> support tribes and groups and you know <hes> unless we i mean i think that the world survives is best when it's either completely isolated all the cultures isolated or if we could also somehow be together in a more unified way because of the direction we're going now where each country is isolating itself but it's still so entangled angled with all the others is recipe for disaster. Is this because we evolved essentially without longterm and travel. I mean we kind of evolved to stay in whatever area the resources were in. We're hunters and gatherers and then somewhere along the line. Somebody figured out boats and how to get on a horse the next thing you know you're visiting people. I think it's more about <hes> you know. We have a special kind of inquisitiveness this that we can because we can mentally model the next step and plan. What are the options. You know. Try to anticipate paid the <hes> the problems that are gonna come and take those steps and that's a pretty special thing but it also allows us to plan in and kind of devious way where you know me or my group is going to benefit and <hes> if mind benefits i the other benefit because we got to keep everything separate so it's consciousness are kind of consciousnesses are our greatest achievement but but also probably are worse aspect who've but it's <hes> but it's what makes us human imagining humans ends with no consciousness too. There's no way to go in that direction. So is is the key to this thing as the human race is managing our consciousness. Perhaps maybe work like yours giving us the tools to understand where the mechanisms involved that maybe that can help us sort of navigate navigate our biological traps and maybe i mean. I think it's certainly we don't i think the i have no idea what your position <hes> climate changes but <hes> personally. I think that things are happening in something needs to be done. Let's clearly things things are happening and that you know i read a couple of editorials <hes> probably in the new york times or something a couple of months ago one was about about how yes the things are changing and <hes>. We have a right to worry but you know we shouldn't worry about the earth as <hes> you know the famous quote is guy is a tough bitch so the earth will survive but the configuration of life on on it is unlikely to continue to be the same under those conditions the more the everything changes the conditions of life change in the first things to go <hes> this is what happened to the dinosaurs a large energy demanding organisms because as the conditions change you know the the climate that we've lived in. We've succeeded because we were able to benefit from that kind of climate but as the climate begins instant change our kind is not going to be able to succeed as well because those conditions are you know the water's rising the desert <hes> expanding banding all these things are happening and it's just not going to be species don't last that long you million years and they go so our time. We've only been around for what three hundred four hundred thousand years and something well depend on. What what do you call wego. Yeah but neanderthals were around quite a bit longer than that. They're not here anymore so we don't have a i mean. I think that we can use our minds to try and help us get through this but that's only only gonna work if we can do that collectively. That's the scary part. We have to work together collectively as a world because these are not local issues. These are global issues yeah that has you know especially getting other countries like china to comply yeah small all successes. I mean like auto companies deciding well. We need to rein in the emissions and there's probably a profit motive underlying that at some point sure and people are conscious green dollars right like you wanna like when when you think about technological achievements and you think about the the conscious mind and the ability to create in the creative process. Do you envision the possibility of some sort of technological solution solution to a lot of the problems that we're facing. I think it has to be a social solution social also we have to we have to figure out how to balance this worldwide. You can't we can do whatever we want in this country if we could do what we want but you know if if even if we were the best country in the world for the environment that wouldn't solve the problem you. It's a worldwide problem. You know amazon forest. That's affecting a lot of people you know. It's just not a it's not a simple thing. The one country can solve bright but if one country take steps and imposes some sort of technological solution solution that pulls carbon atmosphere that does enhance some sort of cooling process to bring homeo- stasis to bring some sort of a like generally agreed upon state of the environment. If that's technologically possible i mean that's going to come out of the creative mind right well. I don't want to go tool for off into my not area of expertise like climate and i think there's i think of it from the kind of the social perspective and what contributed contributed but i i don't wanna. I don't think i can really address the details of all that right but even like the socially if we did address socially we're still going to have to deal with the actual actual physical limitations of the just the environment that we live in and what we've done this how to somehow or another mitigated yeah i agree yeah so but yeah so i think you know creators coming along and trying to find technical solutions great when you analyze the human mind and didn't knowing what you know about the thought processes in the way people think when you see people in denial of climate change and when you see people that are are so enamored with the concept of capitalism and big businesses. They don't really think that it's a big deal or they want to deny that. It's a big deal so they can continue and you short term profits. What is that like those mechanisms like wa- watching that take place in the monkey mind what are you. What are you thinking. When you see that happen happened with humans i you know i. I don't think it's simple <hes> it's not simply denial of climate change and for climate reasons. I think there's a lot of <hes> social you know within certain groups there's social stigma for being pro environment yes and so it's <hes> tribal it. It's it's <hes> people people cling together and and it's a kind of form of self protection that by identifying a set of issues that we all can agree upon <hes> because they're kind kind of dictated top down in a sense that our our thing and that thing is somebody else's thing yeah. That's a weird aspect of being human being right these tribal identity things where if you are in this group you must be pro choice choice. If you're in this group you must be pro-life. You must be antiwar. You must be pro second amendment knowing very little deviation and and that that's left half dry that's ever leave systems rigid belief systems you know part of the support of being and when you look at politics and you know that these police belief systems for when do you find it odd that we have these like sort of polar opposites or at least left right choices red blue choices that we've limited ourselves to these very distinct tribes but that's yeah. I think that's unfortunate but that's where we are. Is there a way out of that. The political scientist has to take that one. We're going down weird road. What do you think is the source of creativity like somewhere along the line. I mean and we've seen it right. I mean there's some speculation and scientists have sort of generally agreed that some monkeys are in the stone age that some primates are in what would be considered donation starting to use tools. They're starting to use sticks and is a famous photograph. I love of an iranian. Where are we going to get a copy of that. We should get that a ranked him with a spear making note that there's a crazy rang tang image of an orangutan holding onto a branch and then spearfishing it's amazing and apparently he had seen humans do it and that's where he learned the behavior imitation yes but still still that is a primate using a weapon to try to spearfish this photo incredible that is incredible. That's that's like really thoughtful skillful and the way he's hanging. I mean my goodness look at that. I've i love that picture that pictures amazing now this the creativity that allows you to get food when you couldn't get food allows you to escape from environmental conditions ends allows you to escape from predators. All these things are awarded by the continuing of your genetics so there are other things that come into play one of the specialties that <hes> came along. I think is a byproduct of having language by language in words but what language did did what was required for language to come out of the brain which is the development of cognitive sort of architecture in our brain that allow all kinds of <hes> mental jumping around so for example for most animals to learn you know who to trust and who not to trust and what some what who's what in a given situation who's going to do what to whom by just looking round they have to go through trial and error learning it see the experience all of that lot but the human mind can simulate create a mental model and instantaneously baked those kinds of predictions on the basis of very limited information <hes> and this is based on something well. I ah the relation to language is that syntax gives you those kinds of <hes> options because you can you have <hes> <hes> <hes> past present future states that can be related to you into others and so forth and personal pronouns are very important in terms of <hes> me me i mine years that those the the point when those come in and child is the first point when i think self awareness can fully be tested and shown <hes> some people say well. They have it but they just couldn't express it. <hes> others say now that the arrival of the pronouns announce personal pronouns are very important in the child's development of sense of self but anyway so language changes <hes> the brain changes the cognitive architecture the brain and allows for something just to throw out a technical term hierarchical relational reasoning just the ability to think across kind of conceptual categories laterally and horizontally so that information you can just jump around and that's that's kind of what creativity is the ability to just jump around in mental space and come up with something by a unique combination of those things do you. What do you think that there's variation. In terms of the types of languages like chinese versus spanish versus that they allow you to interface face with the world in a different way because the language is structured very differently. I think that's absolutely right but i don't know if enough about other languages to say exactly how i think it was malcolm cloud while i think it was the outliers they discussed. This like limitations of certain languages in terms of pilots was glad well. I think think it was <hes> where they were discussing how korean airlines because they have sort of a hierarchy of you know the the way you're supposed to treat the upper levels of management and up and that they had to force these pilots to speak english so that they didn't have of this hierarchy like this presumed hierarchy of being able to address situations. The planes had crashed because co pilots were in their place. They were put in their place and weren't allowed to address pilots and that once they had switched over to english that the language like there's so many different versions of dealing with with your boss or someone who's an upper level person that there's so many different ways that you were supposed to address them and that they would eliminate all that by using using english and it made me think like just using different styles of language the way human beings communicate here is very different than the way people communicate say a <hes> you know some african countries that we have these different styles of interpreting the world around us and those in turn have a profound the fact on the way we sort of interface with the world and i think that's definitely right so it's interesting to think about emotion and language language so it's often said that emotion like fears universal across the world but i don't think that's actually correct what's universal is danger and the way fears interpreted by different cultures is obviously different. I mean different. <hes> the asians have different kind of perspective yvonne fear every culture has their own perspective on fear so it's fear is the you know the the kind of cultural assembly that you have have in your brain in response to danger so every culture has to have a language of fear but not because <unk> universal because dangerous universal <hes> um and what they interpret as danger is different and fear for one person something it could could create fear whereas for another person the exact same situation would not depending upon the personal experiences and maybe even their genetic makeup well. I mean genes contribute so we <hes> every part of our brain is under some kind of genetic influence so so every for example the middle will be genetically kind of slightly more than one person than another so little more sensitive to danger and so that that person might be responding more to danger in part because of genes but also maybe because of experiences that they've had <hes> and so then the conscious mind is seeing those responses and starting to conclude anxious fearful person and that all of that information gets collected in what's called a fear fear schema just a body of knowledge of everything you know about danger including the way you reel you react to danger and your <hes> just you know who you are in terms of danger and so whenever you encounter danger that schema is what's called pattern completed so presence of a threat in in the world is enough to go into your brain and activate those memories about danger that give you an anon- conscious representations. Eh activation of this fear scheme that is what then bubbles up into consciousness. That's your experience of fear is what has been activated in your your schema knowing what you know and then watching whatever anxieties are fears may play out in your own mind is that for lack of a better term mind talk for you studied this so much and you're a human assume you have the same anxiety anxiety we all do and it helps to some extent in nineteen ninety-six published. A book called emotional brain and fears later. I started finding out from therapist that <hes> a lot of patients were reading the book with their therapist and and they were saying that it was really helping them understand y. You know how different things were happening that the the migdal is causing them <hes> to react in certain situations but their fear was there a conscious understanding of those reactions in those who are not the same thing and that's separation help them navigate their own situation and in a situation of dangerous separating out okay. That's my body is responding running this way. My mind is responding. This way and these are two separate things. I need to work on in control. Have you studied various ways that people mitigate anxiety and fear like meditation and yoga and all these different things that sort of change people states. I mean i haven't i haven't studied it myself but <hes> <hes> i have research at a bit <hes> i. I try to do meditation myself because i think it's the probably the most direct and effective way in the moment to sitting in the room outside waiting for just at my hat and sunglasses on trying to chill out meditate a little bit. Get ready for you. <hes> do you do on a regular basis <music>. It's hard to maintain it because life gets busy and it seems like the hardest time to do it is when you need it most right yeah. I think it's one of those things like hygiene wage. We just sort of have to say well. It's hard to take a shower then. You have to take shower. Don't stink after brushing teeth cavities. You have to meditate. You'll go crazy. Yeah it's perfect. That's the way it should be done. I think that is what so when you examine those kind of tools like tools that people have sort of imagined or created to sort of in in some way alleviated or enhance perspective. Do you do spend much time dwelling on the creation of those things and what's going on there wouldn't even by the creation well like a human had to figure out how to meditate bryson had to figure out these modalities he's different ways to sort of interface ace with so let's take that from <hes> take that to the nature of most approaches to fear anxiety today. Hold this hold off the meditation part slightly so we have you know. Psychopharmacology is a major line of attack and also <hes> what's called cognitive behavioral therapy <hes> which che's <hes> arose as a form i call behavioral therapy because it came out of the behaviorist everest movement which said there's no consciousness you know that that the human is <hes> stimulus response organism that is based on the history of reinforcement with certain kinds of situations <hes> so behavior therapy was about using pavlovian or opera conditioning to change change <hes> how the brain would respond to threats and how people act in those situations <hes>. It wasn't about the mind at all. It's is all about behavior and then cognition was added to that so that became cognitive behavioral therapy but again the cognitive change was used just as a way of changing behavior because so much emphasis has been placed on <hes> behavior in our culture including in the drug therapy world. It's all based on changing measurable things like behavior and physiology and that. I think that that's why all of these things in some sense have not worked out as well listen. We would like the best in the best medications and the c._p._t. Trials will give seventy five percent record of helping the group. That's pretty great though isn't it jim still twenty five this but <hes> yeah but you also have to extract out the placebo effect <hes> and in many of these <hes> <hes> drug studies for example depressive anti-depression drugs the placebo effect is only the drug effects only slightly the better than placebo effect but when you have cognitive behavioral therapy there's i mean you're actually going for the placebo effect right. I mean you're trying to nothing wrong with the cpac. People are in that sense though you are trying to sort of. You're trying to use some sort of a strategy with your mind in therapy whether it's meditation. What are you doing when you're trying to enact change and if that changes enacted there's not pill involved right so it is kind of like the same mechanism. That's involved in applicable fan. Your mind is creating this. This new change yes antedates so but the question is a person that goes through the motions but doesn't get therapy right. How much are they changed simply blackout. I'm going through it just so many variations with humans. I'd like to find find out like are they lazy self destructive like and why is that the case maybe all of the above whenever you have i think seventy five percents amazing yeah he consider if you have a group of people what are the odds. If you have a group of one hundred people what are the odds of twenty five and we're going to be lazy pretty good doc right pretty. I mean i bet a ton of money that twenty five percent of those people don't do what they're supposed to do all the time so you know you're right but i think the the issue is from the scientific point of view. We need to know exactly what really works what's different from placebo right so that we can see what to build a medication for medication for cognitive therapy as well but the therapy earpiece thing is so strange to me because okay. Maybe we're using the wrong word with placebo because placebo is a word for a medication that has a psychosomatic. Go somatic effect right well. It's it's the control group. That doesn't get the treatment that you're not really doing anything physiologically but your body is interpreting it as medicine and saying alright changes coming in the change comes and that is a real thing but when you're thinking about cognitive behavioral therapy you're thinking yeah about using techniques and strategies to change the way you think and behave though so the the concept of the placebo effect doesn't really apply there. We have to have a control group right in the study. You have to have randomized control in order to make it so when you have cognitive behavioral therapy and you have randomized control. You have a control group. Do you just give them shitty therapy yeah. We need to get a therapist on here to give you that you know the uganda therapy yourself. I have you did you. I do that to examine this. <hes> mainly went into with for meditation <hes> <hes> to try and calm some of my yeah. Restlessness has writing in all this study that you had to do to write these books. Has that enhanced you community that you have much more of an understanding about what's at play than the average person does well again. It's it's kinda like the patient who's reading emotional brain with the therapists. I think by writing those books i learn a lot and it helps me see things things and doesn't necessarily help lead my life any better but i think i understand it better but no self no fear yeah well no self no fear means and that you have to be you have to have this automatic consciousness ability in order to be afraid and that is a special own human quality the ability to put yourself in the moment in your past and in your future if it's not you it's going to be harmed by that snake then you don't have to worry about what it's going to do so if you are part of it then you worry and it becomes you know it's an emotion when when you're involved so i think emotions. This is a crazy idea. That's in the book that emotions didn't arise through natural selection really wow that's the idea that they <hes> were byproducts of other capacities that came along. I you had some kind of crude language that ad enabled this hierarchical relational reason to jump across language gave you categories to conceptualize things hardcore reasoning allowed you to jump trump across those categories <hes> and those kinds of things allow you to conceptualize yourself as an entity with an experience so you had to have a self that could do that kind of reasoning and <hes> across those conceptual categories and that is what enabled an emotion the ability to put yourself into a significant situation so now that it's here now that we have once motions are there then they become selected but they weren't selected by for example the migdal having evolved to be the fear fear center and we inherited that from animals your animals probably have some kinds of experiences but it's scientifically very hard to know what they have. We know like dogs. Dogs have emotions right dogs dogs get happy you see their behavior right but i'm not saying they aren't but scientifically you can't measure that right but if you have a dog and you come home and he's so excited to see you and his run around circles that seems very emotional akin but i don't said let's talk about the brain for a second okay so the parts of the brain circuits in the brain that are are involved in this kind of oughta know eddie emotion that i'm talking about. The self involved emotion. That's so human <hes> such a human quality <hes> <hes> the part of the brain that i think is important and this is still hypothesis is not a fact is something in call the frontal poles very very front part of prefrontal cortex that region is unique to the human brain no other not even another a past that now other parts of the prefrontal cortex are present in other primates all of the permits but not in any other mammal so if we can figure out in the human brain what that frontal pole does and what that other part that all primary primary tab then that gives us an anchor for speculating about what other primates what kinds of experience other primates have given what those parts of the brain enabling us and that would allow us to then extract what other mammals don't have that we have because they don't have those those parts of the brain so it's a it's a kind of you know use of the brain to tell us some things about what might exist in other animals but there's no way to ask good dog. What's on your mind right who in measure the brain with an f. m._r._i. Or something along those lines where you get a reading of this not a an answer. It's carlet right so humid like i can. You know if you ask me. Is there a pin here on the team. I say yes. I can respond verbally arc point to it but we're responding. Verbally i can only do that for something. I'm conscious of. I can't respond to something on unconscious of by naming follow <hes> other animals can only respond non verbally so they don't have that other kind of response that is only reflecting a conscious state so i'm not saying they don't have anything but scientific was very hard to to know what they have and the fact that we can the study we know for example fear that the fear itself probably doesn't depend on the middle but the all the behavior that we see does makes us have to be cautious about observing behaviors that look like they're based on fear love and all these other emotions when we can't really know because we can't measure that golf i mean it's a tough problem again. Not saying that's not there. It's just like right on typically typically you have to you have to stretch of the evidence yes to now now. Measuring it in humans is i mean there's this concept of people. I'm emotional. Oh person i'm emotional like emotional like people love to say those those kinds of things is it possible to the measure varying degrees of emotional response in terms of like how it's affecting a person physiologically whether or not these emotional responses are physiological or whether you've gone down a well grooved psychological path that you've been sort of participating in in your whole life so that you have these sort of triggers. This happens and then up. I'm gonna i'm gonna start crying. This happens up. I'm going to get angry and people sort of fall into those paths without self reflection without this ability to be objective and introspective and go. Why am i reacting this way. Like what maybe you should stop. Stop being so emotional joe wright anybody ever said that to you <hes> to say but what does that mean like what you you know what i mean like the this the varying degrees of emotional response and whether or not those are beneficial whether or not they detract from your experience. That's or inhibit your your ability to be productive so i really nailed a lot of interesting stuff in there and i you know it's a very deep analysis of what's going on so the problem is that our language is so bad that <hes> all these terms that we have we borrow from what's called folk wisdom or folk psychology you know the they've come through the ages and this is true in every aspect of science that you have folk terms folk physics becomes real physics and then the folk stuff it goes away. Folk biology becomes real biology in the folk. Stuff goes away but in psychology the folk stuff never goes away because we always experience the folk aspect of it. When we have a conscious experience that's what our conscious mind is our folk psychology of ourselves and of others and other animals but the <hes> underneath that is the part that we can get rid of the folks ecology of because we can understand how behaviorist control how these physiological responses are control and ain't ain't because we've had fears causing it but when you're afraid you're almost always running from the bear and feeling fear but and so you assume that when you're running from the bear fears what causes you to run but fear is not the answer fear is your awareness <music> that all that should is happening to you <hes> but also the the ability to contemplate the consequences right yeah i mean he's gonna it's all it's all you know one interpretation after another running forward but no self no fear that's no possible possible either right well. It don't mean to be afraid yeah so i mean that's your into into consciously afraid but you can react to danger without the self and that's what that's key you find yourself freezing guard walking in new york city the city and you jump back in the bus goes flying by so you've reacted to danger but only after it's do you feel fear when you cognitively become aware that that's happened well and that sort of a situation relation but in a situation like we walked down a dark alley and then you see some guy was seems to be following yeah oh boy so now you're you're in a situation where <hes> you're in a potentially dangerous situation so now you're anxious about. What's going to happen so you got starting with very starting things. I'd worry about what's going to happen nothing. There's nothing nothing there that made you with the rams it up. Hey joe which we have man. I like to borrow some money from you. Go shit fear is fear now. You've got a specific threat and so you now you're into fear and that's gonna morphine to another anxiety about what the hell do to me right so but all all of that the dark alleyway is going to go into your brain and trigger your muscle tension your heart to race and so forth and the dark alleys going to go to your cortex and you're going to be interpreting the fact that you're in a dark alley and your heart is racing in terms of being anxious and fearful all in all of that but they're happening separately. It's not one bundle. It's ling- separate things in the brain and once we understand that it becomes a much easier problem how to approach problems fear anxiety. You've got a separately treat. The behavior in the physiology found the conscious thoughts and in between wean those to you also got to change the cognition that underlie <hes> the conscious experience but also the cognition can trigger behavior so so you know one of the things we we proposed a proposes in my last book. <hes> anxious was kind of test program for exploring exploring this where be kind of three part <hes> three step program i you would <hes> you'd have to do it with something. Simple like a spider phobic what spider phobic or snake phobia okay so you would do exposure therapy subliminally that means limited present the picture of a snake the spider so fast the conscious mind does it no. It's they're so like those old. <hes> hungry eat popcorn and that's a very common technique in psychology so they would show you a film and there'd be one or two frames of a spider. If you are just a picture could be a film okay and <hes> but it would have to go very fast in the film so there were so the picture you'd just present re really quickly and because normally if you show spider phobic <hes> try to exposure therapy they don't want to do because. I don't want to deal with spiders but they they're conscious. Mind doesn't know it's happening because going through subliminally so the middle is being tamed by the exposure and now they can look at the picture without you. You know the body re reacting. They're not jumping. They're not the heart isn't racing because the middle has been turned off so liz body responsive. I've calmed down so now the person could kind of go some undergo some cognitive change about looking at spiders and so forth and then finally once you've done those two steps the brains ready eh talk therapy and meditation and other kinds of mindfulness approaches <hes> because all of the the impediments tall that have been put aside by this these first steps so as anybody ever like officially cured someone of arachnophobia or video of video phobia or here snakes or spiders like those are those seem to be almost like deep seeded genetic fears while they we i mean our ancestors yes had <hes> snake and and they vary which is what's weird. Sisters certainly experienced venomous snakes and but there's something about some people have have almost illogical reaction to it that it's often been speculated that this is some sort of a genetic memory have someone perhaps in their ancestry line surviving vink snake attack or losing someone to a snake. It's more turns out that the <hes> it's more about the ability to rapidly learn about out those kinds of dangerous than to innately respond <hes> so there seems to be it's called prepared learning so you have an evolutionary based this thing that's with you that everyone has some version of but various individuals individual and then some people are prone own too rapidly learn that either because of other experiences of because of their particular genetic makeup and so they eighteen to go down the road of of acquiring these kinds of phobias now so it's the problem with treating that by just extinguishing it <hes> through exposure is that the <hes> <hes> extinction is always impermanent once you've been reduced. Nothing nothing is wrong. This is true in a rat or person. Let's say the rat has been given a tone. That's been paired with shop and then here's the tone twenty or thirty times stopped responding but then if it goes back in the room or the chamber where the shock occurred the tone will again bring it elicited in the spider phobic. Oh big returns to the place where he or she was bitten by a spider or place responders of supposed to be present it can come back so these are imperfect perfect temporary solutions. They're not enough and <hes> that's why i mean they're called these called reinstatement and <hes> things like that because they pop back up so maybe medications can help tamp that down a bit so medications so useful in in that sense of being able to control the behavior and physiology but less so in terms of changing the mental state because you know how could you possibly designed china medication that would know how to change the content of a mental state. That seems like an impossible and that's what you wanna do. You don't wanna change. All mental states states right. You want to change the one content. You know. I'm afraid of spiders yeah. It's it's so so fascinating though how people vary so widely in their their reaction to certain fears or certain things that could induce fear whether it's dogs or whatever irrational thing that people have the source of that is really often <hes> it speculated that there's some sort of a genetic component to do you buy into that so let's say let's say that in any kind of situation like that there are multiple systems in the brain there during the involved we're going to isolate the migdal as hypothetical part of that system that it is detecting and responding to the stimulus so we're gonna go into the emitted la and focus on one little part of it. <hes> called the lateral nucleus that doesn't matter but it's the part that gets the input from the outside world so that is the gateway into the middleham so now let's talk about. Let's say it's got a hundred thousand cells. Neurons and each of those neurons is going the have a bell curve. That's based on the genes that made that cell and whatever kinds of electrical signals it's had throughout the life of the organism so you can have one hundred thousand bell curves you know various degrees that when the stimulus comes in those cells that are activated their little bell curves determine how much they respond to that and that's going to propagate to other cells else that have their own bell curves in areas and so on down the line that what happens at the level of behavior is a very a complicated <hes> kind of some ation of all those bell curves all those cells that happened to be activated so it's not like you know one thing is program program not like a brain areas programme. It's all about what's happened at those specific cells both through genetics and experience. We often kind of oversimplify things by thinking well. There's a a gene or an area that has <hes> inherited that thing when you think of human beings and you think of what we used to be when we're where some sort of a lower hamad and now what we are now and you think of all these various components that are at play do do you ever try to imagine in what a human of a thousand years or ten thousand or one hundred thousand years from now. We'll be like oh. They're they're going to be different. You know we're not every organism is in constant change in the racial. Mixing interbreeding happens <hes> and and mutation random mutation. We're living longer and so that's creating meet. People are having babies later that that will change a lot of stuff so we're going to be a different <hes> thing at some point we may split out until a whole new kind of <hes> human the the the thing about people having babies older. I mean there's certainly physical limitations <hes> when people start having babies older but on the plus side died. You're dealing with someone that has a lot more life experiences raising a child. You know versus <hes> you know. My mom had me when she was twenty and twenty one. You know what what the the fuck do you know and you don't know much but if you're a woman who has a child when you're forty what hey that's a rich life of a lot of experiences and maybe can impart some when that wisdom to your child and look at things in a different way and maybe that in turn will raise a child. It's more balanced. I i'm talking out of my area here but i i. I think that <hes> probably you know the eggs sit around for a long time and i don't know what the effect act of aging on the league is <hes> <hes>. I just don't know there's also a big factor with the male sprint male sperm. That's one of the main contributor autism is supposedly <hes>. I've heard that you know older fathers more likely to have <hes> mel sons that are schizophrenia that makes all the fact but i've heard it all makes sense that there'd be some glitches in the matrix. We're not not supposed live that long. Are we not what what are your thoughts on people that are trying to live longer and trying to sort of squeeze out as much time as they can this rock doc. I see a lot of old people. Just don't want to live anymore. I understand that your body starts. Falling apart. Mind is going line. What's the point at that point. Yeah i get that but what about the people that can keep it together. I guess if you keep it together you wanna like you know okay. Let's go as far as we you can't go to the moon and mars pharmacological solutions a i mean if we if there was some sort of genetic component that they identified the aging and they gave the option to reverse the process. Would you participate or do you like it. Do you like the finite nature of this existence. I do think so. It's like a new. You're gonna i think i take certain medications but rather just live as most of my life is possible without them so what medications do take blood pressure mainly blood pressure stuff yeah. Do you exercise not enough. That's got a big effect on anxiety and a big effect on just a general <hes> alleviation of angst thirteen good example of something. I know i should do it. Is that discipline issue <hes>. I used to be kind of discipline but what happened. I've been using it a lot to got to do things like <hes>. I i really wanna do like writing are making music and so those are the things that kinda. I know i should do exercise too so i can do more of that longer. You think you have a finite amount of discipline. Possibly each person has yeah the fine that has that sort of anxiety quotient that discipline quotient we kind of you probably can worked like a muscle. Imagine you can yeah you could become something different like me and my friends have this thing that we did <hes> last year. <hes> called sober october for the entire month. No alcohol no marijuana no drugs and crazy exercise like last year we had a competition to see like who could exercise the most we wore these heart rate monitors and we measured points like you get a certain amount of points at eighty percent of your max heart rate per minute. What my point is one of the things that i gotta oughta. This and we all got up. We all talked about it because we were exercising hours and hours a day an incredible alleviation exiling incredible like i i exercise cise regularly but i don't exercise at that level that level that we were doing because we're in this competition was really a lot of cardio and but my god that runner's high as real. I felt amazing. I mean i felt like so good all the time. The alleviation of angst was unlike anything the internal chatter yeah that sort of can fuck with your head. That just didn't exist anymore well. I think that's wonderful that you're saying that because you have so many followers and i think that's such fantastic tastic information to convey to them. It is and it's so available to all of us. I mean anybody that can move their body can experience us and i. I don't recommend what we did because we were working out five hours six hours yeah i walk. I live in new york so i walk a lot and that's great <hes> right you have to but i mean just that alone his it's. There's many people that don't walk. You know you just sit here and then you move to that spot. You sit there and you get in the car. You sit there. You get on the train. You sit are there and there's very little use of the body and the body starts to atrophy by pumping that blood through the system and cleaning out the pipes and getting that air into alongs and forcing yourself to move when it's over you feel better. I'm breathing better. Why should feel it right magic magic this exercise. Would you take what about nature. Do you take any time in nature at all. Do you go central park. We have a house up in sullivan county in the catskills. Oh that's nice. How often do you get a chance. Let's get out there. <hes> we spend a lot of time there in the summer and do better when you're up there. Yeah definitely interesting right. It takes a couple of days to like get into the rhythm yeah but then it's good but once you do do you ever think man. What the fuck am. I doing living in manhattan buildings. You know my wife life and my wife's a new yorker by birth so weak there we need to go in and you want to come back and my friend jeff has a <hes> place on fire island and beautiful place beautiful and he lives in manhattan as well besides like as he says as he's gotten older. You're he's really don't doesn't think he could live in manhattan anymore. If it wasn't for this ability to escape and go somewhere and just <hes> wake up in the morning lookout see the ocean having a cup of coffee moving to brooklyn was kind of like that getting out of manhattan that if you don't live in new york that may not make a lot the sense to explain to people what differences up manhattan is just like this super-charged all the time and it's not a it's not a try thing. It's it's a true thing that you once you get out of manhattan. Everything is just a notch down yeah and five step off the subway and you kind of feel a little more relaxed. Do you think that's because brooklyn. I mean just speculative but there's still a lot of people in brooklyn but there's no skyscrapers few you are starting to be lots of tall buildings but what's that got tall building in brookline thirty dirty right residences. What's manhattan like eighties eighty and ninety this giant buildings. I looked out the other day <hes> from the airplane and there's something in north manhattan. It looks like it's way above the empire state building sized i. I don't know what that is. Have you thought thought about that. Existence like <hes> in terms of like how unnatural it is and how it is this ability to jam untold millions of how many people are in in manhattan. Oh boy. I have no idea like i think eight million or something in your city but then of course commuters as well so eight million plus all the people that come in from the different places to work there and just stuffed into an incredibly small areas stacked on top of each other that has got to be completely -pletely new psychological state for the human animal right now. There's just remember when i first got into <hes> psychology was reading something about something called hold a behavioral sink. It was about how rats living in an impoverished environment under highly crowded conditions their behavioral repertoire sort of diminished a lot. I think that was you know sort of us to you kind of challenge urban living and to blame a lot of urban decay in the seventies <hes> on <hes>. I don't think it was necessarily a good idea but <hes> it. It was kind of a way to explain some things that i think it wasn't really good at explaining yeah. It's true that the people do live under fairly crowded conditions but <hes> you can't explain everything in terms of very simple processes. Are you aware the studies that they did with a set that cameras up on streets and they they set them distance apart and they measured footsteps how fast people walked and then they measured the way people talk <unk> how many syllables and how many senses they can get in in a certain amount of time and through <hes> measuring footsteps and how fast people walked and the way they talk they could accurately ultimately determine how big the city was that they live how many yeah they they could accurately figure out whether or not they lived in a high population density city whether or not they lived in a small town by the way they talked and the way they walk. There's a profound effect. I have a call. I used to have a colleague at n._y._u. Your name john barch is at yale and he used to do these studies where he would. He was a social psychologist. He would have people come in students. Come come into the lab and take these letters and they were like scrambled and they'd have to unscramble them into sense. I guess words and you'd have to unscramble them and put them into a sentence in the unscramble sentence was about being older elder him anything about being elderly in <hes> age <hes> it would take the students longer to walk down the hallway to get to the elevator afterwards as this like activating this kind schema of of aging the top down had some kind of <hes> fact on the way you walk that boy that makes sense and you do see what's really interesting to me is when you see the differences between people who are the same age who behave and think very differently and i always wonder how much of that is biological. How much of that a psychological how much of that is like well. This person just has a better genetic makeup you know and so you know in their fifties they still have tons of energy whereas this person maybe how the shit makeup and bad lifestyle choices and they look like what we considered an old man when when we were younger but we're also complicated and there's so many factors that go into shaping how we end up at any point in our life. Where do you think selfishness came from automatic consciousness so that's this ability to put yourself into an experience which as i said earlier is responsible for our greatest achievements is a species but also is what will potentially do send it allows us to not only envision a world in which you know we can be self less self you know not selfish but help others but also so how to exclude others and <hes> it. I think it's a natural basic animal instinct to stay alive. Obviously no with <hes> richard dawkins said the theory of the selfish gene animals are incredibly selfish in their struggle for existence silence so that kind of automatic selfishness there but what the automatic mind allows us to do is to be intentionally me willfully selfish to allow us to choose to do these things <hes> for our own personal good for example. I think that the the automatic human human mind is the only entity in the history of life. That's been ever put organism. I'll be talking about the conscious mind being small part of what's going on in the cortex to put all of the rest of the brain and all of the body at risk for the simple sake think of a thrill mountain climbing <hes> swimming a shark-infested waters are taking drugs at dangerous levels calls <hes> no other organism can commit suicide in the sense of intentionally planning to put an in to an entity. Today's that it knows has the possible end so our conscious minds are special in good ways and bad ways the conscious mind that seeks thrills. What do you think is the root of that like. I've always wondered like why certain people are drawn to doing like flips on motorcycles or certain people are drawn to climbing mountains with no ropes like what do you think that is. I'm just guessing really no but i think that we each have these kind of physiological will <hes> states that that we try to maintain some of our homies static levels are are different. <hes> and some people need a a little more adrenaline are little more. I hate to use adrenaline kind of cheap way of just saying it's more of a russia russia kind of activity because all that also affects the brain and so consciously you strive you you make a looking for those kinds of things to get the rush and it's <hes> it's sort of on the spectrum of addiction in a sense where you need that that physiological changes that the drug induces but you know we also have addictions in our lives at our habits and things that the that we develop and pursue that aren't necessarily good for us but that we kind of feel compelled to do. Do you know alex honolulu. This guy had him on the podcast times and every time i talked to my hands start sweating nervous for folks who don't know who we're talking about. He's he's a the probably the most famous free solo climber in the world and he climbs these seemingly impossible mountains fountains with no ropes and there's video of him doing it this drone footage of him climbing these peaks and my hands just pouring sweat apple watch it but when i talked to him what's really interesting is he's a calm rational intelligent man. Who's it was very thoughtful and he's he's a very kind guy. He's he doesn't seem like some. You know i think of when i think of someone who likes to do flips off with a motorcycle or do radical i think of some crazy wild thrill seeker some some due to just needs to constantly or woman who needs to be constantly constantly freaked out. He's not that guy and when he describes it what's really interesting. Is he goes. It's very mellow. He's like if there's any if there's really the thrill of done something horribly wrong like the real. Thrills are so scary because it means. You're about to die so he's instead of getting the thrill. He's getting peace yeah but he's getting a piece from putting himself in extreme s. k. and there's also the thing of other people praising you do for your risk taking which is an odd thing about humans and they've shown through natural <hes> well. There's a natural selection aspect of it with females and mates that females are attracted to men that do those crazy things and take crazy risks for some strange strange reason whether it's some sort of remnant of our ancient past like that thrill seeking man is not going to be <hes>. He's not going to shy away from combat. He will protect our children or or something like that right. Yeah i mean a lot of evolutionary psychology. Yeah you know that a lot of that is speculative horse but it's it's the thrill seeker is one of the weirder things when everything's great and you have plenty of food and you live in cities and like okay look. I'm not getting enough juice here. I want to have to learn how to hand glide or something you know and some people may do it for attention. Yes yes yeah. The things people do for attention. Creativity is that that to me is one of the more interesting aspects of being human beings are bill to create things in our desire to create things in a in a way that's also along the same lines right because you're getting rewarded for weren't well probably yes so i mean all these things are as a child is developing and growing up and passing through different kinds of situations in life. I think a lot of stuff happens kind of randomly family. You know so that the child may do something that someone views as creative and so as you said the child was rewarded so then that allows them to figure out what you know explore kind of how they did that and maybe continued to do it but other people may simply have minds that go in that direction <hes> <hes> on their own where the we talked about earlier the their thoughts sir able to jump across conceptual categories and and <hes> sort of transcend those categories into completely new ideas and so forth and i don't think we know how the brain does that at all. That's a very good question for the future but it's not something we have a great deal of understanding of now. I mean there could be an era of research on it that i just don't know about it. It's a big field <hes> but i certainly don't know the answer to how creativity comes about well. It's interesting to creativity has a a reward system built in for the person who creates even even without recognition from others. There's some fundamentally satisfying feeling ling of creating something. That's fun yeah. Why do you think that is well. Novelty is rewarding warning. Not enforcing and certainly creativity is novelty. It's like anything that is novel that you do has kind of yeah charge effect to it. I think yeah i mean it's people like you who studied this stuff to me are so important because because most of us are just banging into walls trying to figure out why we do what we do and to have an ability to understand the scientific explanations as for the various things that are play. It's it's so it's so critical because you can kind of like not necessarily stop the process but at least be aware of it whilst going down. Is that part of what you wanted to do when you were writing. I want to thank you for crediting me for that but the <hes> a lot of what we've been talking about just having a conversation my work is very rather limited and all i don't work on creativity and all these things so you work on the way the mind works. I work on yeah. I mean i think about how the mind works but i work on how the brain detected response to danger <hes> so that allows me to go back to my early work on consciousness and to bring it in and layer it on top of all that other stuff but yeah it's <hes> you know i i get tremendous <hes> value out of sitting there writing and because when you start a book in my case i think this is probably true of many people you. You don't have no idea how you're going to get to the in the beginning and you just see where it goes. So this idea of writing a proposal that lays out the whole thing thing to me doesn't work because it just don't know where it's going and the fun part is getting to the in the brain reacting to danger injure do you did you did you do any interviews with people who are soldiers or in an interview fighters or people that are involved in extreme activities that now i haven't <hes> i haven't done a lot of interviews i mean i have talked to people like that and you know every individual agile cases are interesting because they give you stuff but it's not data so the brought data. You have to go out and collect yeah. What do you got for notes a a pile notes. I wanted to discuss. I just thought this brought this. I think we covered most of what i want to say. Yeah they make those not a fear center. Behavior is not primarily a tool of the mind. It's a tool of survival. We think we we know why we do the things we do and others do them but <hes> we don't really because we are conscious. Mind is not privy to all of the things that the the body in brainer doing now when you wanted to examine danger and you want to examine the mind and how it reacts to danger and fear threats what what are we trying to get out of this. Yes well. I started out thinking this was a way to study motion and at the time i i'd been studying these these human patients with split brain surgery and can you explain that because you you you go over that but the split bring surgeries alleviation of epilepsy. It's a way to control epilepsy. The can't be controlled in any other way medications not working so you have like young kids teenagers that have lived most of their life <hes> this paralyzed by epilepsy and not being able to lead a life <hes> there was one patient to basically as parents constantly having to hold down on a mattress he was seizing so awesome so and this is not this is only done in a very extreme set of conditions and and it's not done that much anymore but when it's done it's the connections between the two sides of the brainer are separated so information information on one side doesn't cross over to the they do that <hes> they opened up the skull pull the two you know you you got kind of two loaves of bread sitting next to each other and they're connected by threads which are exxon ago between them and so you pull apart part here and you can see where those accents are when you opened up from the top so imagine like a hot dog bun okay and so you open it up at the top top and you can look down in the center and imagine that there was like a bunch of <hes> wires crossing between the two sides of the bun so those those wires within be surgically sectioned and so now you end up with two sites of the brain separate and independent so typically languages on the left side so you can talk to that side the right side doesn't have language <hes> so you have to ask what can it do so if you present a stimulus that only the right hemisphere sees and you do that by flashing a picture of an apple on on the left side of space because everything to the left of center goes to the right hemisphere and everything to the right of center goes to the left hemisphere so you send a stimulus to the right hemisphere and you say what did you see in the left hemisphere answers because that's where thank witches. He says it's anything so okay. Oh you said reach into this bag and see what's in there. The right hand goes in. That's connected to the left. Hemisphere can't find it. The left hand goes and connected to the right hemisphere. I saw the apple it pulls out the apple so the right hemisphere has information that the left hemisphere can't talk about what is life flack for people once they've done that operation <hes> while slowly see the left hemisphere kind of comes to dominate again and <hes> it's a <hes> <hes> they they come to live with it and how does it prevent seizures well the the folklore of it. I don't i don't know if this is actually true but what is often said is that it prevents the seizures from jumping back and forth and having you know because the <hes> the electrical activity jumping back and forth sort of gets into kind of in this luther can't stop but cutting that isolates the seizures in the two hemispheres and makes each one more controllable by taking a medication jesus so imagine being. I gotta try that out. I got on an idea what your brain like a hot dog so but what we were interested in in these patients that we were studying my this is my mentor michael khazanah gun and i we're studying these at <hes> dartmouth medical school. We were at stony brook on long island. We it would drive up to dartmouth to see these patients was how does the left hemisphere cope with the fact that the right hemispheres performed the behavior that it left hemisphere that you talked to didn't come so we put information in the writings fear guy a standup. So why did you do that. I needed to stretch or scratch his hands or had an it's needed to scratch ratchet and so time after time the left hemisphere would generate a narrative that made its behavior makes sense. Oh wow so that's why i got interested in how non conscious systems would be generating behaviors that regenerate narratives to explain because at the time <hes> that were doing this the idea of cognitive dissonance was very popular and what that means is that when cognitively when you to do something behaviorally that is incongruent with what you cognitively no it's disturbing it causes dissonance and so you have to engage in and some kind of dissonance reduction so our hypothesis was these narratives that the left hemispheres generating about right hemisphere behaviors was a way of left. Tim's fears conscious mind <hes> kind of keeping it all together. The consciousness thinks that it's charge that you know the brain and body or it's it's you know it's it's the control center and everything else is there to satisfy its whims and so generates these narratives to keep that sense of unity going even though it's no longer unified that is so fascinating that the brain tries to seek some sort of an explanation for the actions action at eu provoked right externally and that's why i got into emotion because well maybe emotion systems produce these some jimmy. I'm looking up. <hes> alien alien hand syndrome came up. Do you know anything about this. I don't i'm sorry okay. It's a long article explaining this thing called alien hand syndrome and also dr strangelove syndrome ingrown. Picture doctors are very strange about people's hands doing something that's an unexplained right so it's the same yeah do they generate next nation when and they do that. I just explained different scenarios. People had like a leg walk in the wrong direction. Enter buttoning up your shirt with your left hand right hand starts unbutton that seems to be like some sort of neurological problem patients with the right after surgery when things are really fucked up really would be like pulling the pants down with one hand pulling them up with the wow. There's one patient. I saw in the hospital young kid. The left hand reaches out to grab the nurse on the ass. Can i say that to the right hand is pulling off a physical struggle yeah. There's like this and you know it all all kind of like over time. They don't come back together but the son they negotiate something where it's not so dramatic the woman who thinks her alien hand wants her to be a better better person. I'm thinking these are some sort of physiologic. Yeah well what crazy solution to epilepsy i know there's other solutions that last ditch effort and so for a severe severe taste and i don enough to eventually salihi sort of achieved some sort of a normalization yeah <hes> they've lived the kids kids have lived so long in the state by the time they get their their <hes> brains change like that that <hes> i don't know really ultimately what what became of all these people because i moved on to other fields and <hes> but i think in general they live a somewhat better life but i doubt they ever live a completely full normal life. I mean how could you after all that but i'm really interested in the brain creating these narratives to explain because there's so many people that do things like that right. They'll try to explain blaine their life away and give themselves excuses and give themselves reasons for behavior and one of the things you see with the more rational people. It's it's never their fault so he's someone else's fault but that's the four billion years story <hes> how we how we got to these narratives. That's what it's all about. Wow listen man is this is amazing stuff. <hes> please tell everybody your books <hes> where they can get them how they can find them. Are they available in audio as well right. So the the new book folks call the deep history of ourselves fourbillion year story of how he got conscious brains and you can get that on amazon you can get the audible on audible dot com barnes. I think all the major booksellers have the the books. <hes> last book was anxious. <hes> also it has an audible version always wanted to get christopher walken. Did you do not do it. They didn't ask them. I mean they i would want you to do it. <hes> what's your work. I get bummed out and someone else reads like one of the good things about like pinker and glad while they read their own business like they've never offered it to me you you should you should do next demand for my for my memoir definitely <hes> oh there you go well. Thank you for being here really really appreciate it and thanks. Thanks for all your work. Did i just say one one thing you please <hes> so sometimes i <hes> when i released books also released music to go with him so anxious had a record with it and deep history has and songs of life that are on the deep history dot com website. Oh that's cool so you're you are musician. Yeah we're bringing that up got a couple of bands and a couple bands. The main band is the migdal lloyd's deloitte's dot com. That's awesome rock band. We created our own genre. 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#1392 - Zach Bitter

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#1392 - Zach Bitter

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Fantastic service you don't need anybody anymore. squarespace ace dot com slash Joe and then use the Africa Joe to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain. My guest today the Holy Shit this guy. This gentleman is one of the most impressive runners. Maybe I've ever even heard of. He owns the world record for running hundred miles a hundred miles with the entire time. He was doing a six minute. It forty eight second mile pace which is insane. He did one hundred miles in eleven hours. Nineteen minutes and thirteen in seconds fucking bonkers. We talked about performance. We talked about diet and he's going to for the fight for the forgotten charity. He's actually going to run across the entire country. We got to that at the end of the podcast and we even told them that we were gonNA sponsor them so. I really hope that happens. He's amazing please. Get up for the great and powerful Zach bidder the Joe Rogan experience. Joe Rogan podcast. Hey how's it going good man. How are you good? Good thanks for having me back my pleasure. Hey thanks for turned me onto the shoes to alturas. Oh Nice I started running with does yeah I like him. I like him a lot. The Great. which ones have you got the loan p Garissa got the whatever? The trail ones are like the wide foot. What's it called foot boxes have shaped box? Yeah what's called Toe box. Yeah those are great cool man. No I'm glad you like them and I feel like this what you wear so it gets makes you know it's really interesting when you dive into the the world of footwear and stuff and I learned this recently in the number one indicator of low injury risk which is what runners always looking for there to minimize risks so comfort is the identifier for that so we find yourself going into especially running shop. Ask Him to try on a variety of different pairs variety for models and find the ones most comprom- for you and that's probably gonNA lower your risk to the lowest you. Can you can get from your footwear. Anyway what if you like really smushed. She wants aren't those supposed to be not so good for you. Yeah that's a good question. I think it's one of those things where it's Kinda half true. Not where kind of have to look at what. You're what. What's the purpose of what you're doing so the way I kinda describe it as if I'm trying to strengthen my lower legs I want that low cushion that firm platform because that's GonNa really activate the muscles in the lower part of the leg but if I'm dealing with some lower leg issues are a little sore? I did a workout in my calves are Kinda Sore. My Ankle Sore then cushion can be great because it's going to relieve that kind of initial impact on the lower part of your legs and the caveat though is those impact force to go somewhere so they're gonNA move further up the kinetic Exchan- so what are you tell people if you're dealing with lower leg pain or injury then you might WanNa consider something a little more cushioned. And if you want if you're dealing with something like in your knees easy your hips than getting rid of some of that cushion is GonNa just keep that kind of more precise foot plant and maybe alleviate some of those impact ending up in those areas but at at the end of the day the mechanics of it all are going to be the real driver. You want your foot to come underneath a bent knee because you're using your legs kind of like a three foot spring essentially so if you can get that foot plant under under bent knee. It's GONNA absorb it in the way your body intens versus absorbing it in a way that could maybe send those impact forces into the wrong areas. That's really interesting you know I was watching a video with this. This guy who was in his seventies runs and under three hour marathon. Yeah and He said that five years ago hired coach Kinda crazy like a sixty five of your old dude hiring a coach but trimmed a bunch of time off his marathon. I think more than five minutes off his marathon. I think it was quite a bit more than five minutes and You know he was running for long time before that But yet a coach Sorta shortened his his his time in in finishing twenty. He's six mile race at seventy years old. Yeah it's never too late. The bent knee is really important. Because a lot of folks who don't pay attention to the History Korea footwear. Don't understand that this fat cushioned heel that everybody sort of thinks of when you think of a running shoe and you when you watch a lot of people run that don't know any you better. They run in the land on their. He'll which is sort of something that was created by Nike so it was created that fat bottomed. He'll thing yeah. They think they were the first one to do the offset where it was traditionally. I think it was like twelve millimetres. Where you're he'll would be that much higher than your forefoot But I think even with when we get into kind of like say heel striking versus four-footer mid foot striking he'll striking's in other words not inherently bad It all comes down to before where if you can heal strike but your foot is still underneath that bent knee. You're probably not gonNA do anything to detrimental so like it's not optimal right. It probably depends on the specific runner and they're a real particular gate. Yeah the extra long legs or something. And maybe he'll start with work or extra short legs. Or what would it be. Yeah I don't know for sure. If there's like a a height thing that would do think it would maybe just come with like the mechanics of the way. The person learned to run in the first place and just maybe some nuances with the way their body is Kinda more or less designed But let me. There's he'll strike in folks that are are not injury prone or have never gotten injuries are hardly ever get injuries. But usually I think if you're doing that that's probably because you're under that bent knee and you're not kind of having that point where your foot is out in front of your knee and then you kind of that straight leg but at an angle where it's going to be you know not not ideal for kind absorbing those impacts. Yeah that's the the real bad one. Right is when people are pigeon toed when their knees kind of bend in which I do see quite a bit That's that's got to be terrible for greenies right. Yeah I mean. I couldn't say for sure but I think I think there's a lot of nuance in. Its ends up. Be kind of like an individual situation situation with a lot of these cases. So it's hard to know for sure There's probably people who can talk to mechanics better than me and you just run. What does it was explained? The record broke ran. Twenty four in less well was one hundred miles and it's a twenty four hour time period. But you did it in eleven hours is in forty minutes yes so It was yeah. Let me I'll explain a little bit of the event itself was called six days in the Dome and really what it was was you could do anything from a twenty four to forty eight or vent to a six day event and just see how far you can run within that time for days. Yeah I know there's some crazy people out there so just wait till David coggins finds that event but yeah so I've been It's interesting because there's not a lot of time to thence that are necessarily surly structured four hundred mile or for like twelve hours so a lot of times you find yourself jumping into some of these other events that are longer in duration in just kind of using them as a way to try to run fast hundred miler or twelve hour so The race director for for that particular event had reached out to me because he he's known me for a while and knew that I've I'm starting fast hundred mile times and just said. Hey I've got this cool event set up at the Olympic training facility in Milwaukee Wisconsin at the pet center. And I think it's going to be pretty conducive for fast for fast times and and asked if I wanted to do it so I actually didn't have an ideal time line to would've normally wanted to work with in terms of getting ready for it but training went really well in I went there targeting. The hundred Mile World Record which was eleven hours twenty eight minutes. It's in three seconds prior to that and running eleven hours nineteen minutes and thirteen seconds for one hundred miles and then since we have this hundred mile distance and also this twelve hour. Time event can't kind of structure. You can find yourself if you're under twelve hours kind of double dipping and getting to events for the price of one. I guess you could say so. I kept running after I hit one hundred miles in ended up going one hundred four point. Eight eight miles total in the twelve hour timeframe so that was another record. Yeah two World Records Hundred Miles and twelve hours to six minutes. It's and forty eight seconds for a pace for a hundred miles is fucking bonkers. That is so fast. That's so crazy. That's such a fast pace man. Yeah you know it's funny like when you look at it because I think sometimes people look at like one hundred miles in eleven hours nineteen eighteen minutes and there's not a lot of context. They're mindless they're kind of familiar with ultra marathon running when you start to break it. Down into like the subcategories where it's like well that's like four like sub three hour marathons in a row or I can't remember how many or what the five k. time is there's like it's like thirty one five ks at some sometimes four sub three our marathons in a row. Wow that's so crazy so fast and are you still eating mostly meat. So yeah this gets brought up quite a bit because I eat a ton of animal products for sure but You know I wouldn't classify myself as a quote unquote carnivore or quite in this. This is because the carnivore diet. People want to claim we discussed this kind of the last time you were here were you. You Take in a lot of glucose and you you wrap up your carbohydrates considerably before before a race like what is what is your. What is a daily? Let's say in training. You're preparing for something like this. What's Daily Diet for you like? Yeah Yeah so yeah. Let's jump into that. I think there is some nuance within that. Even because when you think of my lifestyle the way I describe it is if you took a calendar year and you grab a single day out of there and you grabbed a day where I was eh peak training day versus a recovery day. Those are like so drastically different in terms of my energy and my my energy demands. So like things tend to fluctuate quite forbid and change quite a bit. And I think that's oftentimes what confuses people because they want. They look at what I'm doing say on Race Day. They look what I'm doing on one of my big workout days or my rest day. I think that's what I'm doing across the board. So when you get the folks saying Zack follows a carnival diet probably looking at like a post race recovery day where then I might be eating almost all just animal products. Lot Ed's a lot of salmon red meat that sort of stuff But if you pick a day out where I'm doing like a big training day doing like a thirty mile run or something like that That's where I'm going to bring back some. The carbohydrates tried to supplement that activity and the best way to describe it is You know there's like this this kind of train low race high or this car period ization concept that's getting more momentum behind it in and more studies and science behind the two. There's some interesting folks folks that are looking into this in more detail and if folks are really interested in doing a deep dive in it. There's a guy named Dr Mark. Bob's he wrote a book called peak and you kind of dives into kind of like some of the nutrition science where it's banned in kind of where it's kind of heading in and they highlight some of that and one of the big things they they're starting to recognize denies that even with elite athletes. When you're peered is in your training like I do You know your nutrition should be being peered as well. You know the scientists pretty clear that like if you're doing a workout and you take in a glucose or fructose I think most science says a two to one ratio is ideal for maximizing. The moment you can take in then you're going to give yourself an advantage. That's like rocket fuel so then it becomes a question of like. Do you need that one hundred percent of the time or do you even want to do it. One hundred percent of time because when we look at it you say glucose to one like what do you mean by that and wouldn't Costa Fructose. Okay because what they found out is when they started doing a lot of exercise. Science and nutrition was that the real limiter is got so on papers absorption. Yeah uh-huh yeah. There's a finite tonight amount you can absorb and you increase the amount you can. You can absorb on average if you have that two to one ratio versus all one or the other so to glucose to one sucrose sucrose yeah Interesting and what are the different sources for glucose versus sucrose. Like sucrose is simple sugar. The is that more like a refined sugar. Yeah Yeah I think like a the way like most most sports supplements and things like that are going to be designed to kind of meet those those specific. They're looking at the literature and they're seeing okay. This is how you absolutely powerade or Gatorade or something you two to one. Yeah I'd have to look to see exactly. If they have that but my guess would be. They would be the if they're looking at at the research where that's kind of that But yeah so like really want to see the question that I think needs to be asked with a lot of this stuff is like if I wanNA make a workout. Feel as easy as possible if I'm try if I can get in sixty grams of carbohydrate per hour it's probably going to do that like my pace. My perceived effort at that pace probably fill easier. But then you have to ask the question like how often do need it to feel that easy so for me. The answer answer to that is like well if I'm doing something really strenuous or something. That's in a little bit of a gray area where it's just fast enough to dip into glycogen stores but just low enough that I can do it for quite quite a while. Nick maybe even a couple of hours. Then you're kind of in this area where that could be an advantage for from foreign standpoint. But if I'm going out for an easy run of like sixty to ninety minutes and it's going to be like a two three out of ten perceived effort anyway like there's no real need for me to be hitting glucose during that or sports drink during that to make that feel even easier yet because my goal isn't necessarily to make an easy run fell even easier. I guess as the way Selassie call a ninety minute run easy nothing just a stroll just a few dozen miles and I think that that also brings up a really good point to where like a lot of this stuff when we're looking looking at carbohydrate usage and performance we're looking at elite athletes. We're looking at folks that are training for like the Olympics. You know. Sometimes they're even Olympic medalists and that's just not a very good comparison. I think to the average person who's out there running is they're getting their purposes are different subject as a difference. Their lights are very Different like one is doing basically everything around a specific specific date and distance and trying to run as fast as they can on that date and another person may be trying to run as fast as they camp. There's so many other factors in life like their work their relationships their You know the level of training they're able to have with the time they have and then also like you know managing their own health and nutrition because like elite athletes don't have a very rosy picture in terms of long term health either so for someone who's like maybe ten then twenty pounds overweight and trying to run to get into shape or trained to get into shape or something like that. They're probably thinking just as much help as they are about performance so for them to be shuttling modeling in sixty grams of carbohydrate. Every hour during training and racing is probably not the direction that they'd WanNa go now. When you get ready to do something like this hundred mile run? How how many miles do you run a typical day in D.? Ramp that up or do you just give yourself a base and know that you can push through. How do you handle that? Yes so I will build up my training the way I kinda describe it as like I'm always focusing on specificity kind of being king so depending on the race distance and the intensity is is kind of how I'm going to structure my workouts. So the rule of thumb that I use is the closer I get to the workout. The more specific the workouts I do are going to be towards that race distance and intensity so for me without oftentimes means since I'm training for one hundred mile distance races is early in training black. I might be doing some shorter interval work like vio to Max like an example that I would maybe like a three minute almost all out effort followed by a three minute recover jogging in another three minute interval like that some of those real short interval sessions and how many of those would did you do in a row. How many sprints versus recovery? Yeah it'll depend. I'll start like pretty easy on the first one the F- when I first started just three by three on that and but my goal really is is to every week is to kind of build volume within that so that first week it might be just three of them but by the eighth week I might do a total of twenty four to twenty seven minutes. It's worth volume within that video. Max Context so it's really interesting because like you know I could go out on any one day. Do maybe ten of those but if I do that it takes me like a week and a half to recover from that session. It's not nearly as probably effective as if I spread that out. A little bit and said did like five by three and then five three three days after you have your your body chance to recover and build versus just destroying it all in one and then feeling like shit for a couple of weeks. I like to call it micro stressing when I'm working with folks and my own training. I'm like we WANNA micro stress WanNa stress you just enough to elicit a response and you get stronger and then we want to do that over and over and over again you wear. I'm sure you are. You know who Pablo Taught Selena's. Yeah Yeah So. He's got this sort of concept when it comes to weightlifting with kettlebells in particular calling green groove. Yeah whereas instead of doing all all these sets to failure you would just do like half of what you're capable of and then do it again in more frequent sequent pace like Do it again rather do it on Wednesday do it again on Friday and then give yourself a lot of time. In between each individual activity to particularly training for strength breath. He actually recommends as much as ten minutes of recovery in between sets. which is you know Kinda create? Most people don't have the time for that. You know six sets is is an hour in. I mean it seems like he's just laying around the gym people. Would if you had Jim people mock you. But that's his protocol Yeah Yeah and I think it's I think you know endurances is like say. It's a patient persons game so I think if you can build that volume in a in a micro stressing or in a like a sustainable way. That's what's going to keep you or get you strong and and it's also going to make it less likely to get injured. How much time do you need like like if you got up to that insane pace that you did when you run the hundred miles when if you took like a week off or two weeks off how much would you lose not much that amount of time especially at that intensity so the thing is is like the six forty eight mile pace you. We need to be kind of relative about it so like for me when I'm training when I'm not when I'm not when I'm fully recovered covered. That's like a pretty reasonable pace from an intensity standpoint so the interesting thing about ultra marathoning is race. Pace is sometimes faster better than even some of your easiest runs and training. So you're training is kind of all what we call it over speed training whereas most endurance events from like the fifteen hundred up to like the marathon the majority of your work's going to be sub race pace. And then you're GonNa have like depending on the program you know maybe twenty thirty percent of that be over spe- training as well just because the relative duration of the event is so long like I can't run fast or if I run too fast and it's just going to end badly adly for me right. But why is that with marathons. Oh we'll because it becomes. It's similar to strength training. Where like if the limiter is like the amount of stress you put on your body so if I was GONNA train to peek in say a marathon? My Max potential pays for that wouldn't be sustainable to do every run so I'd be running. I'll be running too hard too fast too often. And then we'd get into that that kind of situation that we're talking with the four where you're starting to macro versus micro stress so if you run a marathon. What is your standard marathon pace so i? I'm a little goofy where I competed in high school and college. And then I did some marathons but not really structured manner and then I got an ultra marathon running so I haven't really done what I would consider a real legitimate marathon training program so you basically say marathons proposals right. You're saying I I actually think thinking marathon marathons or maybe the hardest event of them all explain. Why because you're going fast? Well Yeah it's just short enough where you have to be pushing like a fairly intense pace but it's just long enough or if you make a mistake you're gonna pay for that for quite some time so you're on such a razor's edge and you're also just one in tiny mistake away from things going really bad what you're saying about mistake you talking about pacing if you go out too hard yeah I see your watch what is it what kind of watch you wearing. It's a coral apex. Packs Web. Never heard of that one for. GPS watched one of those. Yeah it's it's relative. There are relatively new brand like in in running. I guess the two big players historically been Souto in Garmon And corals kind of came to the market a few years ago they wanted to try to make like take that high in technology Laghi but make it maybe more affordable and also make it user friendly. Because now everyone's they they care more about the post workout or the post run data that you're uploading to these platforms like Strada so like corals kind of made it a big Point to make it real user friendly on that end. So you like I get done at the Ron and I load up to the apple up on like within a few seconds. Sometimes and then you go dissect all the data like how much elevation gain and loss. Your pace per mile is a primarily a running watch. I mean you could use it for running or cycling or hiking or mountaineering or anything like that. It's got like all those kind of bells and whistles on okay. So so if you're my question was like so if you're running. How are you're checking your watch if you're doing a marathon you making sure that you're not going crazy because it's is it otherwise you just you have to kind of gauge it just based on the pack and based on how you feel yeah and I think that's actually a good especially when you can alter marathoning I think the metric that people should dial the most is the rate of perceived exertion? 'cause that's something that's not going to necessarily lie to you if you base your thing your stuff off. Heart rate exclusively or a pace exclusively you can find yourself justifying something. That's not necessarily where you need to be. And if something like that malfunctions then that was your only compass. Then you're in trouble so I like when I'm doing my training and when I'm working with other folks I like to use heart rate and I like to use pacing and stuff like that but ultimately I'm trying to get the person to really understand like how hard is this this effort in across the board from like very easy to very difficult and then when it comes time to race we can kind of dial in like this is the intensity you're trying to look for. You're so they can kind of feel that out do us a metric D D Say like how do you feel seven to ten. Yes pretty much. I I have a scale of one to ten. That will use a lot of times and there's a whole variety. Heidi like most people are going to be using some sort of like probably like zone system of training where there's like there's numbers that are associated with heart rate ranges or intensities and there will be descriptors descriptors and there's some that are one through twenty either some that are kind of one through five and one hundred ten. Isn't that so weird to write. Because it's so subjective I mean the whoop whoop strap wear uses something like that like what's your perceived exertion on my push towards the far right. I don't know like what does that mean like. It's so hard to gauge your perceived exertion especially when the workouts over. Yeah it was hard went all out. What does that mean? I don't know what that means and you know. Yeah yeah it can be tricky and it is very subjective by think. It's one of those things where it falls into the same category that a lot of endurance events are where he's got to be patient and really work on kind of understanding that and you learn from experience too like you you find out like oh I went and did this work out and I thought that was the right pace in intensive it turned out to be a little too fast. Do not keep a training log. Yeah and do you like ride it on excel or something like that. I basically just load all my stuff up two strata in. Yeah so so. That's kind of like the GO-TO for most runners. These days is I'm sorry but do you. Do you keep a diary today. Felt like this and this was an issue and I felt like I didn't have enough fluids woods or do anything like that not so much anymore. I did it a lot when I was in college. I did it a lot when I first started when I was really trying to Kinda learn my body and kinda learn what things mean. I mean in in in how I respond to them but now I've been doing it long enough where I have enough of a of a like an understanding of kind of how like when things go wrong like why they did or if something went really well like why it did that. I don't feel like I need to take as detailed notes Bun. I think it's really valuable for someone who's spent especially they're trying to learn ready to proceed exertion kind of really dial those things in. It's probably worth a lot worth a lot worth their time to write that stuff down so that they can look back at it and they have that resource source available to them as they're kind of reflecting on things now. Save you getting ready to do something like this crazy. One hundred mile run trying to break a world record. What what are you would how how much time you giving yourself to really truly prepare for that is based on? What how you're at right now? Like what your baseline is like. What kind of preparation you've done before you newest race was available to you like how do you do that? Yeah no and this is we. We can kind of hop back to where we were talking about before when I was talking about the video Max work stuff. That's early in my training plan because that intensity is very unspecific to one hundred mile pace. You'll those view Max. Workouts are much closer to something shorter like a five K.. So what are you trying to do with those video to Max workouts each is trying to elevate your your base. Yeah like just like the look. There's the different systems of training and that's kind of a higher intensity system so it's not very relevant to the race pace that I'm doing specifically but it's not irrelevant to my overall like Aerobic Vika efficiency so like by doing faster stuff things you can work on things like your form and just because when running that fast like things tend to be a little more dialed in And it just it it basically what you do you give yourself kind of a bigger range of what your potential is going to be when you start focusing more in on like the aerobic exciting things that we're gonNA see like as I would move further down in the training plan so once I kind of do that section of training attend your question like ideally. Ideally I'll have maybe about since I'm coming into most programs not completely out of shape like four months is kind of sweet spot for me. If I was coming off the couch so to speak six months would be a little more appropriate. You ever off the couch. Only if I'm injured and only been injured in any significant way since ultra since they're altering running once for about five weeks surapon. I had a stress fracture on my right sacred Allah. It's kind it's basically like on your tailbone out. Yeah the fuck so what I think I don't. It's hard to know for sure. But what was the way it was described to me when I was going in and getting. I suspect what likely happened. Was I had such a history and kind of flat running that I. I was actually preparing for a race at a lot more climbing descending so I started changing my training to more climbing into sending and when I did that like One thing that sometimes happens when when you're running a lot of flat hard surfaces is your ankles and your hips can get pretty tight from that rule like kind of uniform like a mechanic that you're doing so like my range. Emotion was semi limited. So doing some of that hard downhill and uphill running. I probably wasn't very efficient with my form and it ended up kind of we're talking before those impact forces ended up in the wrong spot and then the stress fracture occurred is crazy. You broke your ass. You literally broke your ass. People always talk about Boston his ass. You actually did. So where is it Jamie right there. Oh Jesus Christ it's so it's it literally is your ass bone you really goofy thing about it too was wow when I first had had the pain surface for that it was kind of in like the lower back glue area is where it surfaced so I thought I had like a sciatic issue like Oh man they went in to the doctor and they were like okay. Let's try something active release therapy and let's see if we can get this thing to loosen up and we just were working on working on it and like it would clear up where I wouldn't notice notice it if I was walking around but then time I'd go for a run or tried to go for Ron. I get that sharp pain right away and So after about I think it was maybe four weeks or so we just we. We've been doing a ton of active released a ton of mobility work and then Like it wasn't going away so he's like well let's just get an MRI and see what's going on in there and they did the MRI got the results back and and he said there's nothing there so you start running again. So I started running again. I ran like I think it was two or three days. Maybe very short like two miles and then three miles and maybe five five or something like that and then I got a call back from the doctor and he was like Oh turns out we took a second look at the. Mri there is a stress fracture. Told them like well just ran the first I three pain-free days I ever have since this this issue. Oh fuck yeah well and I think what what he said maybe was going on there was it was I mean it was very fine stress stress fracture. It wasn't I mean. Sometimes people have a fracture on their sacred Allah. It's like a big enough fracture where it can be out for like a year and Oh yeah yeah so it can be a really bad injury. He said maybe the mobility and the strength work. I was doing while ahead that to try to Rehab Kinda strengthen the areas around it enough that when I was running flat flat really slow really easy that protected that area number. I didn't feel the pain anymore. So after that I think I took two weeks off completely just to make sure before I started started building back up and then I started kind of building back up again. You ever run on one of those air runner things. You know those self-propelling treadmills I've been on once before but not in any like you significantly. They look pretty sweet. I love those damn things. Which one do we have? What is it a WHO makes it aired on right? aerodyne makes it the era runner. Is that what it's called Jameel find out but anyway man it's some percentage. Thirteen me up the number thirteen percent harder than actual airfare the assault air runner. Yeah it's amazing. It's hard as fuck gave one. To Burke Burke rusher too hard because he's he likes using a treadmill the military's handing. He's really running when he just picking his legs up and down. You know that makes you actually push and so your calf get blown the fuck up man. It's it's it's hard it's really good in. It's what does it say at. What is it? What percentages of say it's harder than actual running like if you're just running at the same aim pace running hard enough? Why are we making it harder? The idea is that you go and run and it makes running easier. Yes sort of running with weights on but it doesn't give give you an additional stress. It's not pounding on your body You know it's not like you're you're doing anything that's going to injure you but it's it's called you know you have to propel Appel that thing for folks don't know what we're talking about. It's basically a very subtle you right like the way the thing is structured and it's got tread on it and as you run you are the the thing that's making it move so there's no machinery it's not plugged in. It's not like it's electron. Eq You so you set the pace and you just got to keep up with it. It's not it's you're making run. Ah so you're pushing it and as you push it it requires extra energy an extra effort extra effort when you actually go run on a regular road surface or trail seems easier. Yeah no that makes sense. And I think it's pretty cool because Gal with with the weighted stuff like you run the risk essentially her that additional weight like they were doing these rock challenges. Forget the COMP. Uh I think it was trained to hunt or one one of these one of these competitions. They were making people wear heavy packs might not have been trained. A hundred. I think another contract Eh. Anyway they would make you wear one hundred pound pack and so the idea was they. Were doing these races with one hundred pound packs on which you can imagine ah fucking recipe for orthopedic surgeon raises and so these people were getting kinda jacked up and they. I believe they stopped doing that. as a competent. You know no as a running competition. But there's a few those similar kind of competitions where they force you to do a bunch of physical activities and then bring your heart rate down and execute shots on target bigots and then run to the next station and do a bunch of physical activities and they were doing that with heavy heavy weights on and just about idea. Yeah Yeah I think that would that'd be good for if you're gonNA do like mountaineering experience and you're going to carry much little stuff like you're doing what they wanting but even then you really should just ruck. Yes the heavy heavy pack on. There's a company called outdoorsman's it makes a really good ones called an atlas packing it's essentially a pack frame but the back of it is a universal post. I like would you would use for waits a weightlifting post for You know Olympic weights so those big round steel plates slide Ryan onto it. So you can get a forty five pound played on it. And then clamp it down so it's like really secure on you as opposed to like sometimes if you put too much weight in a pack. Maybe maybe it'll sit at the bottom. It's this is like boom right in the center of your back. You cramp it down and then you know you really carrying all that weight on your hips a little bit on your shoulders and it's all like really centered. Well that's a good one for really training but you don't fuck and run with it just hype. Pike yeah string of our hard enough just to walk with this essay how what extra percentage is no. I couldn't find like an official testing of whatever but One person did a big deep dive into it said it's Main thing was to fix his gate or a will improve running That that thirty percent is a number that they read is like a sales like thing thirty percents. I didn't hear that one third and final is trying to find like testing or some sort of. It doesn't seem like it's thirty percent man. Do I know one of my math petition. Asian but it's it's excellent for training. Do you do any training on machines or is all your training essentially don on the road. The running is all pretty much done on the road and the trails. I'll do some mobility working some strength work in the gym. And that's where all all kind of go inside I guess for it B I you know I've I've used treadmills and stuff in the past and I do use them from time to time but usually if I had the option to go outside. I'll do that in. I mean I live in Phoenix. So it's it's sunny seventy exam there this weekend. Actually Oh yeah that's right. You're at COMERICA America's next Friday and Saturday I'm site yeah. Yeah Love Phoenix. It's the time of year to be there for sure man. What's what's the temperature there right now? Probably maybe sixty five or so. I've been there before in the summer summer July when he's Dad Tempe Improv and it was like fucking one hundred and twenty well and that's that's the funny thing too because when I was training for that one hundred mile twelve hour world record. It was through the summer because the race was in August so my training was one hundred ten degrees some days and the funny thing too is the Pettit Center where I did the race. It was actually built for speed skating and some hockey rinks so they keep it at like sixty degrees. I remember one day when I was running. It was like one of the hottest days this summer thinking like. I'm GONNA race literally at half this temperature. Yeah so it's really funny when you when you see when you see that and I think I'm I'm no expert at it by any means but I think there's some pretty cool like studies and stuff that of the effects that happen when you are training in some of those extreme heats like what happens it for the way it was described to me is Kinda simulates training at altitude to a degree. So who knows maybe makes sense similar to hot yoga right That's doing some studies at Harvard. I believe I think it's Harvard. Someone was explaining. The whole deal to me is it's not something that I read. But essentially what they're doing trying to find out whether or not hot yoga these ninety minute hot yoga sessions replicate some of the known benefits of Sauna Ana. Because you know obviously temperatures not as hot they keep it the hot yoga place I go to I think keep it at one hundred five degrees versus sauna. Don't get much much hotter than that. You're in like the eighties. What I like and but the ideas that when your body is extremely stressed when you're doing when these poses in your sweating like crazy that your body core temperature rises basically two similar level than if you're just sitting in the sauna so you get a very very similar response? Yeah Yeah it's it's really interesting so I try to remember that when it's the summer in Phoenix. So I don't get to you. You gotta doing yourself. Good crock. Jim which is one of the most famous boxing gyms in History Emanuel Steward. Who just a wizard of boxing? And he trained Tommy hearns earns. And you know some of like all time greats of that era he would crank. The temperature is in Detroit. They would crank the temperature up really hot so you go into the gym and it would be that way like for that specific reason because he believed that it increased endurance Yeah it's it's it's interesting stuff but I'll still take January and February for comfort. Now what do you do in terms of like how do you hydrate yourself in like what. What kind of durations are we talking talking about like savior one hundred ten degrees outside one hundred twenty? How was the hottest ran out? I think one ten is what got to and I tried to get out relatively early so that it's not like one ten from start to finish so like if I get out say at like six or seven in the morning you know might be in the eighties high eighties and be working. Its way up so that like I'm finishing and it might be one ten For my workouts the way I structure my training usually when I'm kind of in peak is I'll do my biggest workout in the morning and then I might go throughout into a second run. That's like a little shorter or quite a bit shorter in most cases and really low intensity and then sometimes if it's the afternoon in Phoenix that's when I would see like that one ten but I'm usually not out for more than forty five sixty minutes for those so hydrating is is interesting because you know I grew up in the Midwest so I was very familiar running in hot humid stuff in the summer. And you know the dry desert heat though it seems like you get thirsty a lot quicker and more frequently so I you know one one of the things I learned. The first summer I was in Phoenix was knowing where the water fountains are in kind of planning routes around that you drink out of public water fountains when I have to worry about cooties. I haven't gotten anything miserable yet. In fact I did a race earlier this year. I think it was in early. June called the San Diego hundred. And it's it's got this spot in the middle of the course where the AIDS patients are a little further apart like a nine mile stretch and a seven mile stretch. And kinda mistimed. How much water I did? So I filled up my water in a stream and it was probably not an ideal. Oh Dude but I wrote the Dyson it you know my thought during the race was this is the mindset set in the middle one of these things. It's like well if something really bad happens will happen after the race. So I'll definitely would but it's really bad rough. I've never had it but the people that I know that have had it say it's really bad but you could just bring a sterry pen. Yeah but you can't really stop PA yet erase. I wouldn't want to. Yeah and what will really help for me was the the situation is since the track ray. Since the race was on an indoor track four hundred forty two and some odd meters I was doing a lot of my a big long runs on a four hundred meter track. Okay so when I did that I would just bring out like a cooler and I'd have ice and water and there would sit there waiting for. Oh that's sweet. Yeah that makes sense but when you do a lot of trail running though right I do some of that too. Yeah historically have done a lot. More flat rentable stuff. But now that I'm out in Phoenix. I like to try to split the year in two halves and do some trail stuff in half the year and then some flatter rogue or tracker rentable stuff in the second half. You bring water when you run trails you you bring a backpack or something like that like one of those Back But the tubes yet what the fuck is that camels camel camelback. Yeah there's I I'll do. I don't usually use with the bladder. Which is the tube thing that you're talking though they are and you can pack a lot of water usually unless I unless I'm going to be away from a potential stop long enough? Usually what I'll do is I'll use the pack but will have smaller little like like little flask soft lacks in there. Okay see bring those two like on the chest traps those but you rolling the dice without like you gotta know how much to SIP. Yeah where where. The pickup spots are from. They run with friends. Yeah when I run with my dog in the summer when it gets really hot I bring a hydro flask in a backpack. And I'm one of those collapsible dog bowls it. Because you know. I don't want him drink puddles but that just having that extra couple pounds on your back it. It makes a difference you can feel feel it. Yeah Yeah and that's that's why part of the reason why I try to go as minimal as I can with water if I if I can get away with it obviously if I go out and do a a big loop where there's no potential stops. I'm going to have to carry it all from the beginning but if it's a spot where I know like I can get water every five six seven miles than usual a pack a little lighter and not be carrying as much at any given time. Do you hydrate up before you go. Yeah I mean I think that's the one of the hardest things to really get right in Phoenix. I was just like kind of learning kind of how much you need to be. hydrating like between sessions. Because what I use you found out as I could go out and kind of neglect hydration for any one given ron workout. But if I did that then the next one would probably pay for it. So for me. The big motivation to make sure I'm on top of hydration during any given run. Because I know like if I don't the next one is going to potentially be man. I've done that before. That's that's a weird feeling trying to do anything when you're dehydrated it's like you have a bad battery or something. Yeah it's like everything's like oh come on. It's it's it's amazing. How just normal everyday life like you could feel like a little rundown down you barely notice it but once you start physically exerting once you start training when she started doing something hard that's when you become like really in tune with with wh how you're screwing your body up like drinking for instance Like have a couple of drinks and then run like Oh God you like well. This is what it's doing to my body. Yeah I got a fucking stop drinking you know. Yeah Yeah I think you you. I like drinking a thirst. That's usually what my gauges and I haven't really had any issues with. Its with that that with that. So there's no like strategy like say I'm GonNa run twenty five miles today. Let Me Drink X. amount of leaders of water before go out no before the run. Yeah I I try not to like do too much like kind of like preemptive hydrating Because I think what you what people oftentimes do then is they drink too much and and then that comes out at the expense of the electrolytes to because your body's going to screw those so if I find myself could you just supplement. You can. Yeah and I'll well oil do a lot more of that especially in the heat. Just general is like having a like electrolyte supplementation and things like would you use for your electrolyte supplementation. I use a product called hydro axe. Mostly it's like a powder that you can kinda mix in with your water by a company X. endurance They had they make these little tubes now to where like so. If if I'm running and I have like one bottle with some ended already. I have these little like this. These little tubes that refill WANNA put more and I can just kinda take them all pop it often in poor or that in a lot of other people use. you can make like little caps that You just swallow with your water and it's got like the formulation of the different electrolytes in they're kind of dialed in and You know that's I think that's a little more hit or miss as to like the where people feel. You need that some people tell you. Don't really you need electrolytes at all just need salt foods and things like that all the way to like you should be taken X.. Number of these every hour GonNa be Science Planet Right. I mean. Do you take getting blood tests tests and finding out what your levels are pre and post workouts or anything along those lines yeah. I haven't done any like post workout tests other than I was part of the faster study which which was a study that looked at high carbon high-fat athletes and I think they were looking at some of that stuff too And anytime I've ever had a blood test done though by like my my electrolytes sodium potassium levels always been in range. So I haven't really tried to the. It's one of those things where it's like probably not going to try to fix something. That's not broken. Pretty really diligent about your supplementation and I mean I I definitely am not afraid to salt. My food food is conducive to putting salt on So I'm probably getting quite a bit of that stuff just in my day to day. Nutrition to give specifics. All you like to use Himalayan do you see saul what do you. What do you like to use? Yeah I like to get sea salt Lately I've been using this stuff called Redmond's sea salt. They get their Salt Lake. Believe it's in Utah in Salt Lake. Oh and I yeah. I don't know if the how accurate or whatever this is but like I. I heard that if you can get an inland sea salt. It's better because it's not like It doesn't have potential as many potential. Toxins that you're gonNA find like ocean. Yeah that's what the the idea about. Himalayan salt is right. Because it's no real fucking see. See the Himalayas. What is it called? Himalayan see solar MoD just making that up or is it a Himalayan salt. I think the pink Kim Elaine C so right yeah how was it. Sea salt explain that. How does that work? Was it an older see. I wonder what it is. And it's it's just like these big salt. Oh it is okay. Oh just Himalayan salt. No both comes up Yeah I think I've heard it like an old see. That's no longer there. And they just have the big salt deposits right right. That's what a lot of Montana is the Great Western in inland sea like millions of years ago. And they find seashells in Montana. Yeah fucking bonkers yet. It's crazy I was I was in Utah earlier in the year. I can't remember where we were just out of Salt Lake in. Apparently it used to be on underwater to and they'll find like shark teeth and stuff like that around there they can. It's like trail and there's no water and think about that next time you see some asshole astle that spend ten million dollars on a house on the beach. Equivalency think they're gonNA pay for that event that's not GonNa be here. Something's going to be different in the future. It's always been that way. There's no permanent like place where the water is or the water isn't it is funny. How we think of that though where we see the map now only like okay? This is just how it is. Maybe not well look at Penn.. Jia you know things change pretty goddamn radically. What's up Jamie? I don't know the accuracy of this but I just found on this okay. Himalayan seesaw is a gourmet salt with a slightly misleading name. It doesn't come from the Himalayan mountains. Oh Jesus and it doesn't come from a see these motherfuckers workers however it's definitely see-saw so it's not a total misnomer. Himalayan salt actually refers to exclusively to Pakistani rock salt salt. They used to be sea salt hundreds of millions of years ago. So why don't we call it Pakistan. If Pakistani I'd be missed focused focused stealing our shine when a C. spreading over the region dried up it was covered by geological shifts leading massive deposits assaults scattered throughout throughout the hills. Odd Name aside. Himalayan salt has a lot going for it. It's tasty it's pink and some even claim as healing pro. Well those fucking healing properties assholes. Those are the people that like crystals. Yeah we we have a Big Himalayan salt rock right. There is anybody that yet someone must have looked at when we're looking I like Himalayan salt it It does it's nice but like for cooking like cooking meat in particular Taylor. I let Kosher Salt. Because the the big big flakes flakes. Yeah what's the when. When you put the big flakes on there is that help retain the moisture on it or allegedly? I don't know traeger which I find that the low heat and the What I do is I cook it about about two hundred twenty five degrees in the setting called super smoke Accentuates as you noted Traeger for folks don't know it's it's a pellet grill pellet grills are are they they use something like this table like when they make this table. This is hard woods made at oak they would saw the the tree and the Sawdust in the past. And we just sort of throw out when they figured out what you can compress that Sawdust and turned it into these pellets using the natural sugars from the woods. So there's no chemicals at all all and there's a lot of really good ones but you know the one that I use as a trigger and when they compress these pellets. There's a heating element that's electrically fired inside the the The grill that heating element turns into flame in cooks the pellets and turns it into fire. So it's just firing would it's really pure heure so you're just basically cooking over would and as you can t perfectly regulate the temperature and you do it on your app and all that stuff. But because it's so well insulated and I cook most. What Cook is wild game? which is very low in fat? So you really can't you really shouldn't could high heat or for any long period of time. You gotta you. You GotTa make sure you monitor the temperature the actual food itself so I like to put it in there and I get it up to about one hundred and twenty five hundred thirty degrees. Then I seared on a cast iron info frying pan usually in beef. Tallow beef the best for that. So I get some more extra fats healthy fats with that. I've been doing a lot of slow cooking lately lately. I'll go NASA's world be drilling. I gotta get a Pellet Grill. Those things look pretty sweet. I'll hook you up. I'll have triggers anyone. Oh awesome heavy. Great do their the trigger once hugh us one. It's like I have a regular grill. It's just fucking gathering dust. Yeah I don't even touch it anymore because it's you could do everything on this thing and it's so easy easy to maintain the exact perfect temperature and again for game like I'm not cooking. Hi I'm not worried as much about re losing moisture stuff like that. It's mostly a flavor lever thing. I really just love the flavor of like the salty on the outside and then especially when it's just nice. Yeah Yeah you know I I think ah like the the low and slow is the way to go for a lot of that stuff and when I do when I roast a roast I'll put it in a slow cooker and ultimately there's the battle separate and kind of form on the top and always take that off and use it cook eggs and stuff later so it's oud that's nice yeah. A lot of people have their own idea of what to do what not not to do but I I learned this from a guy named Chad Ward. His label on Instagram is whiskey bent barbecue. Oh yeah and he's a world champion. Pitmasters Fuck I can cook his ass off. Oh my God. He's cooked for us a few times in in hunting camps and his food is insane. He's so good and that's his. Philosophy is the reverse year methods what I learned from learning from him a lot of times people cook it. They're seared on the outside and then they try to finish it off and you can do that that way but it's not as good. It's better to bring it up to temperature slowly inside like a pellet grill and other good method suzy. Do you ever SUV things. I haven't yet. I've had it from restaurants before though young talking to someone. They said a lot of restaurants do that just so they can kind of make their all their. It's up more uniform so when you get exactly what you did the last time. Yeah they don't do no one fucks up because if you go you know you can go to restaurant or medium rare and it comes out while I've had that happen right but the SUV as it is fantastic to because say if you have a stake and you want to be a hundred thirty five degrees you basically put the the setting at one hundred thirty five degrees you put it in there for four hours so when you get it. It's just all the tendons ligaments and all that stuff just broken down down. All the fast is broken down and just so tender but it feels weird. 'cause you're boiling it. fucking plastic bags seems so wrong. It's like you're not I mean me. I know it's a different kind of plastic. But you're not even supposed to drink water. Elastic and plastic bottles. been sitting in a hot car So how the fuck and he apparently you can then. It's not an issue at all. You know to cook in it but it makes me feel weird eventually. We'll hear in five years. That's GONNA give cancers. Aw Man I don't think so. What is the reason why they can? Okay here we're going round. Let