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"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

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04:31 min | 3 months ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"Believer is united gets power over the soul so little by little he expels the former selfish love first John Four seven love comes of God and everyone that loves is born of God so that this love is the fruit of the new birth, and none can have it, but the new creature. Now. When this quality is formed in the soles of men, it works like the spirit upon the dry bones. Ezekiel thirty seven seven bone came to bone. It gathers together the scattered bones or perfect, old man atom, and knits them into one body again in Christ, where a man becomes a living soul. The third thing to consider is how to put this love into practice. It is to fold inward and Outward. The outward has been handled in the beginning of this sermon, but for the inward love, the foundation of love is a feeling of some similarity in things loved to themselves. This is the reason why the Lord loves the creature so far as it has any of his image in it. He loves his elect because they are like himself, and he beholds them in his beloved son. So a mother loves her child, because she thoroughly conceives a resemblance of herself in it, so it is between the members of Christ each discerns by the work of the spirit, his own image, and resemblance in another, and therefore cannot, but love him as he loves himself now when the soul which is social in nature, finds anything similar to itself. It is like Adam when eve was brought to him. She must be one with himself. This is flesh of my flesh. She says and bone of my bone, so the soul conceives a great delight in it, and therefore she desires, nearness and time with it she has a great desire to do it good, and receive such joy in it, and the sole fears, the miscarriage of her beloved, and she carries it in the in most treasure chest of her heart. She will not endure that it would lack any good which she can give it. If by circumstances, she is withdrawn from the company of it. She is still looking towards the place where she laughed her beloved. If, she hears it grown..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

02:33 min | 3 months ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"Whatever you would have men duty to you. This was practiced by Abraham and lot in entertaining the angels and the old man of Gabia. This Law of the Gospel shows us a difference of seasons in when it is right to do something, there is a time when a Christian must sell all and give to the poor as they did in the apostles times. There was a time also when Christians though they have not given all yet. Musk give beyond their ability. They did in Macedonia Second Corinthians eight likewise in moments of crisis in the community they may be called for extraordinary generosity, lastly, when there is no other way, by which are Christian brother may be relieved in his distress. We must help him beyond our ability rather than tempt God by requiring him to intervene by miraculous or extraordinary means. This duty of mercy can be lived out in a few practices, giving lending and forgiving of debt. But. There is a question what rule should a man follow in giving respect to how much the answer? If the time and days are ordinary, then he is to give out of his abundance. Let him lay aside just as God has blessed him. If the time and days are special, he must be ruled by them. Knowing that a man cannot likely do too much if he puts himself and his family on a situation where they. A comfortable subsistence Mutt, there is an objection. A man must layup for his children and posterity father's layup for their future and their children, and he is worse than an infidel. That doesn't provide for his own. The answer for the first part is plane. It is being spoken of during times that are ordinary and the usual course of fathers, and should not extend times in days that are extraordinary for in another place the apostle speaks against those who walk in excess, and is without question that he is worse than an infidel who, through his own laziness and pleasure seeking will neglect to provide for his family..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

04:14 min | 3 months ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"If we lay our love for our brothers deep into our hearts and treasure this way of living. than the result of that action, we'll be timely and bountiful. Every episode we'd bring you a different voice from history in a sermon that they delivered. Sermon was originally titled a model of Christian Charity, but it's remembered for the line a city on a hill, and so a lot of times it's referenced as the city on the hill sermon. It was preached in Southampton, England before the puritans embarked for Boston Agile. We talked about John. winthrop, and mentioned this very sermon are episode of revived thoughts deep dives on the Salem witch trials I said. We'd like to have it for a sermon on the show in here it is, and I can't think of a better time than as we're coming up on independence in the United States of America. Talk about in this episode of course. Course, you might be listening to this at a different time, and we still hope you enjoy it all the same this itself before. We actually get into the backstory of John. winthrop bid the sermon actually has a bit of a backstory to it was preaching. It was important when it preached, but supposedly and I WANNA say supposedly because I in my own research did not not sure if this is true, but the idea is it kind of got forgotten and then the Massachusetts. Historical Society published it in eighteen hundreds, but it kinda still laid dormant, and then what really propelled this sermon? Especially, this line city on a hill into. Fame as we know it today, something that America sometimes called I was John F.. Kennedy was giving a speech during the Cold War and nine hundred sixty one. He mentioned this story of John Winthrop, talking about this and calling America city on a hill, and from their President Reagan used it as well and others used it, and it just became one of these political terms that's used a lot, and we know we have listeners that are not from the United States. Of America who maybe you're going, okay, you know this is not as it's going. Going to affect me as much, but then again we listen to sermons from Scotland and Ireland, and all over the place to, and it's interesting how this sermon and the idea of these people leaving to start a new world. This is the sermon that they're gonNA the last thing. They're going to hear before they leave Europe. It's interesting that this is what they chose to put in their head. In that moment, because in my mind is actually not what I would have expected. Yeah, John winthrop, who preached the sermon. He was born in fifteen, eighty seven. Not much is known about his earlier life..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

The Political History of the United States

04:26 min | 1 year ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

"John winthrop died. What is the legacy of john winthrop winter. A clearly clearly is amongst the most important colonial founders he was often on in charge of the massachusetts bay colony nearly his entire time in america however being the governor alone is not really what makes winthrop a standout john winthrop came to massachusetts to create a society that he viewed as being more pure appear absent was the corruption of england instead what was left was a land where a more peer church could be created and flourish by and large he accomplished it sure he was always fighting a battle with separatist factions but winthrop had created a church that he at least would have you as far better than anything that had existed prior to him leaving england more than anything however the legacy of john winthrop survives through his single line in the model of christian charity. The idea <music> of a city on a hill is something that has remained incredibly enduring throughout the history of the united states in many ways it is almost like a mission statement for what the united states strives to stand for though originally written for settlers heading to the massachusetts bay colony it has become something that even to this day stands benzes a guiding mission of the united states john f kennedy ronald reagan george w bush barack obama are just some of the future presidents that would quote that line from winthrop even as i was sitting around writing this very episode. I saw an interview on t._v. Where a member of the house giving an interview with talking about the united states' it's position as a shining beacon on the hill. A common variant of the speech politically winthrop in his time ended up being something of a moderate within massachusetts. It's that is not to say over that. He was a moderate by any modern standards likewise as tempting as it is to try and tell with rope as a product of the enlightenment heat. He just really isn't sure he talks about there being a covenant which is a similar idea to the social contract with rope however always viewed power as something that comes from the the top and moves down this was it a social contract whereby the people had the power and agree to be governed instead. The power in this situation comes from god. Everybody below had better fall in line. Winthrop shows this in his creation of the government in massachusetts sure he makes it more democratic. He allows for a limited popular vote. However once voted into power that person was nearly absolute in their power winthrop would light it on this over time time much because necessity demanded it but at no point would you consider winthrop to be a particular proponent of democracy. Finally i want to mention the impressive aggressive legacy. That winthrop has left behind in terms of descendants. The winter family has remained a powerful political force throughout american history among the several important members of the family. You have robert winthrop the speaker of the house in the late eighteen forty s rubber with rope was the four-times great grandson grandson of john winthrop and just in case. You don't think the winter of family is still a force former senator from massachusetts secretary of state and democratic acquatic presidential candidate. John kerry is the eight time great grandchild of john winthrop so even after all these years. The winthrop family remains very much alive. I and politically influential well. John winthrop may have fallen short on the ladder in terms of forming a more revolutionary society winthrop's words continued to serve as something that the united states strives to be it is how the united states wants the world to view it and for that we have john winthrop to i think next time we are going to move on to the second biography episode of the show if john winthrop was a moderate than roger. Williams must have seemed like a radical in two weeks time we are going to dive in and start looking at the man who is so often at odds with john winthrop and who would ultimately earn his place as one of the earliest founding fathers until then i wanna thank you for listening and i will see you back here in two weeks as we look at the life of roger williams <music>..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

The Political History of the United States

12:14 min | 1 year ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

"Circulated. Amongst the relevant groups was one of the primary pieces of propaganda to get people on board with the idea of immigrating among among the ideas espoused in the general observations were one bring the gospel into america and raise a bulwark against the kingdom of the anti christ to go to a place of refuge from judgement of god that was about to descend on europe in light of the thirty years war three escape. The overpopulation of england england four escaped the growing inflation problem in england now just to interject briefly here. This may well be referring to the growing economic issues throughout throughout the region recall back from two episodes ago we had actually discussed the textile collapse that was devastating. The economy southeastern england five get away from oxford and cambridge and they're increasingly corrupt practices and teaching six god has given them the entire new world to go and improve and to once again. It's your jet here. All that uninhabited land just sitting there was wasting away against god's will it was in with rips mind their job to improve the land now of course he may be saying that the land wasn't an inhabited that the indians were there however for winthrop that doesn't really seem to count as of this moment. Nobody really recognizes can ask the indians had much right over the land. Don't worry that this belief will soon be challenged and that's something that we're going to have to wait until next time to address. Seven those going to new england would have the chance to lay the foundations of a new church eight. This entire observation ended with a plea from winthrop trip that basically positions the trip to new england as some kind of a mission. It was something that they had to do. The takeaway from from this seems pretty straightforward. England was an overcrowded pit of despair filled with heathens and a faltering economy new england offered a decent chance to escape this and start over again at the foundations of a new and better society by august of six twenty nine winthrop was one of a handful of men who had signed an agreement agreement to wrap up their business in england and agreed to make the voyage to settle new england throughout the summer of sixteen twenty nine meetings and negotiations continued towards the ultimate goal of moving moving the headquarters of the corporation to massachusetts for all of his work over the past year winthrop found himself elected governor of the colony on october twentieth sixteen twenty nine. It is a position that he would hold off and on for the rest of his life. It was decided that winthrop would initially travel alone. His wife would be following in the future sure she was pregnant. At the time drain his time as governor will still in england winthrop was involved in the actions of negotiating with those investors in england that didn't plan on going along to new england in flowery language winthrop told the investors that look the company is moving to new england. You guys aren't going to have a say in matters do the right thing. Take take the settlement and drop your interests. Oh and by the way god is watching you well. He was not entirely successful of pershing all of the lenin investors who will continue to cause problems for him in the coming years. He did manage to eliminate the majority of them. Thus ensuring more power would find itself centered in massachusetts and not back in london finally on april eighth sixteen thirty when th rope along with seven hundred other colonists would leave england and embark on a journey to the new world it is at roughly the same time that he left england that winthrop would deliver the sermon that would cement his legacy though unclear if the sermon malysz given in england shortly before the departure on the trip over or even possibly new england itself winthrop delivered a sermon known as the model of christian charity the sermon offered nothing in the way of plans for the colony a declaration of what the government structure should be or really anything that would be of any practical use in the colony when did deliver however was a vision for what new england should be. The model of christian charity was one of three works which was primarily aimed at stayed in the goals of the new immigrants to massachusetts. Their goals were twofold. They wanted to lay out what their mission was. The mission was to go over and work actively towards reforming forming the church these works the other being god's promised to his plantation by john cotton and the humble request which was also by winthrop sought to establish avenue that will reforming the church was the main priority they were not separatists when the rope and company had no plans to separate from the church of england they wanted to make that clear to everybody involved winthrop and those involved wanted to make sure that everybody backing lennon understood that they were all working for the same team in the model of christian charity winthrop will conclude by saying we shall find that the god of israel is among us when ten of us show be able to resist a thousand of our enemies enemies when he shall make us appraising glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations the lord make it likely that of new england four four we must consider that we as a city upon a hill the eyes of all the people are upon us so that if we shall deal falsely with our god in this work we we have undertaken and so caused him to withdraw his president help from us. We shall be made a story and b word through the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies. He's to speak evil of the way of god and all the professors for god's sake we shall shame the faces of many of god's worthy servants and caused their prayers to be turned into curses upon us to we become consumed out of the good land whether we are going the line from that speech for we must consider that we shelby as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all the people are upon us has the place as one of the most famous lines in american history. It serves almost <music> as a mission statement for what the united states itself wants to stand for today. The legacy of the line is so often portrayed in terms of democracy eighty or the moral attitudes of the united states which genuinely really is not winthrop had intended however the fact remains that the simple line by winthrop has withstood the the test of time and remains one of the building blocks that the united states recipe poetic sermons aside winthrop still is a columnist travelling to a harsh and unforgiving land after an initial dispute over the location of the colony in salem winthrop personally relocated to a new settlement off the charles river near massachusetts massachusetts bay in what would become boston winthrop's next task was going to be the establishment of a government. We talked last time about the government that was established in new england. The freemen who were members of the church had a vote for the assistant magistrates those magistrates would then vote for the office of governor it is important do not get carried away here and begin thinking that john winthrop was in any fashion early republican and just a quick note here on terminology because i want to be clear about this until we basically reached the civil a war. If you hear me mentioned republicans please no. I'm referring to small are republicans. In other words. These are not members of the modern republican party but rather these are those who advocate the creation of republic got it good terminology side. John winthrop was no republican winthrop government. It was essentially a limited democratic dictatorship sure members of the church did get a vote for their leaders but that's where democracy ended. This was not a complex complex form of government in fact it was unbelievably simple vote for the guy you want and then up until the next election they are going to have near absolute power additionally with was not a supporter of universal suffrage he in fact did all he could to limit the electric winthrop insisted that only those freeman men who were members of the church could vote this of course is going to have a widespread chilling effect members outta the church would have no voice in government likewise likewise by limiting who could vote it should the church would remain powerful. This isn't to say that when through wanted to establish anything looking like a theocracy instead he wanted wanted to limit suffrage to men whom he knew would support the puritan way of life in this way winthrop had not established democracy where the people act as the source the power rather winthrop had designed a system where a small group of loyal men tied more centrally to the church would become the source from which power could be obtained so sure john winthrop was willing to let church members be part of the electorate but at the same time is going to be a vast overstatement to refer to winthrop rope as being a pro republican or even particularly democratic the power of the governor which more often than not met winthrop had full rights over both the practical tactical function of the colony and the legislative function in terms of legislative action there was relatively little early in the colony law and order was important but they already had a law code the bible winthrop turn to the bible asses legal code and was sufficiently satisfied to simply follow out the punishments prescribed within initially during those early years winthrop would develop a rivalry with thomas dudley dudley would often find himself at odds with winthrop deadly repeatedly call that winthrop's policies then would become a general pain in the side of john winthrop biggest conflict between the men came over the laws. Both men supported the bible was there legal basis winthrop took a more lenient view understanding that colonial life was harsh winthrop supported acting in a manner that gave more lenient punishments deadly looking at this said. Hey we have a covenant with god. Who are you to disobey him when he came up with these punishments. Do you see a list of exceptions lunacy yeah me neither eventually winthrop would lose out and with those the governorship over these debates but don't feel too bad for winthrop. He is going to be back as governor soon enough well. There's really goes to show hover is that it's not like winthrop exists on an island in the colony. He does does have to deal with political pressures of the day and navigate the seas like anybody else. Ultimately with rope would become something of a moderate politically wedged in between the the more conservative thomas dudley who we've been talking about and eventually the more liberal minded roger williams who we are going to talk about in depth next time this isn't to say that winthrop would be a moderate by contemporary standards because no he really isn't but at this moment he found himself occupying that position this also moves us to a more central point about the politics and the beliefs of john winthrop winthrop often talks about covenants between the settlers and god this dominated the worldview of winthrop and was something that seemed always to be at the forefront of his policies in winthrop's mind. The people had an agreement with god in some ways this this is not terribly dissimilar from the political thought a century later during the american revolution john locke one of the biggest influences in the revolution believed that a social contract contract existed between the individual and their government. This is a very popular line of thought throughout the age of enlightenment and would be a central theme of the entire era winthrop's beliefs are not that out of line with this however he views the contract not as one between a body politic and the government but rather with god god as the sovereign in other words. There was a social contract between everybody and god and again. This is not to say that winthrop is some enlightened enlightened thinker. The guy really isn't winthrop was as previously discussed anti-democratic at his very core. If winthrop would right at one point that a democrat is amongst the most vile nations accounted the meanest and worst of all forms of government because i already said it once i want to be clear that democrat macron in this instance is a small democrat in this fashion winter viewed politics with a top down approach..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

The Political History of the United States

05:00 min | 1 year ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

"That winthrop would never be able to pay back ultimately he costs winthrop huge amounts of money and lead with up to selling off large amounts of his property to pay back the debts winthrop had spent spent his entire life battling to create a better society through a more pure church by the summer of sixteen forty eight however winthrop's health had begun to decline despite this however for he does appear to remain a leading member of the colony throughout the year by february of sixteen forty nine winthrop had developed a fever and a cough winthrop would battle on for for another month on march twenty six sixteen forty nine. John winthrop died. What is the legacy of john winthrop winter. A clearly clearly is amongst the most important colonial founders he was often on in charge of the massachusetts bay colony nearly his entire time in america however being the governor alone is not really what makes winthrop a standout john winthrop came to massachusetts to create a society that he viewed as being more pure appear absent was the corruption of england instead what was left was a land where a more peer church could be created and flourish by and large he accomplished it sure he was always fighting a battle with separatist factions but winthrop had created a church that he at least would have you as far better than anything that had existed prior to him leaving england more than anything however the legacy of john winthrop survives through his single line in the model of christian charity. The idea <music> of a city on a hill is something that has remained incredibly enduring throughout the history of the united states in many ways it is almost like a mission statement for what the united states strives to stand for though originally written for settlers heading to the massachusetts bay colony it has become something that even to this day stands fences a guiding mission of the united states john f kennedy ronald reagan george w bush barack obama are just some of the future presidents that would quote with that line from winthrop even as i was sitting around writing this very episode. I saw an interview on t._v. Where a member of the house giving an interview with talking about the united states' its position as a shining beacon on the hill. A common variant of the speech politically winthrop in his time ended up being something of a moderate within massachusetts. It's that is not to say over that. He was a moderate by any modern standards likewise as tempting as it is to try and tell with rope as a product of the enlightenment heat. He just really isn't sure he talks about there being a covenant which is a similar idea to the social contract with rope however always viewed power as something that comes from the the top and moves down this was it a social contract whereby the people had the power and agree to be governed instead. The power in this situation comes from god. Everybody below had better fall in line. Winthrop shows this in his creation of the government in massachusetts sure he makes it more democratic. He allows for a limited popular vote. However once voted into power that person was nearly absolute in their power winthrop would light it on this over time time much because necessity demanded it but at no point would you consider winthrop to be a particular proponent of democracy. Finally i want to mention the impressive hesse legacy. That winthrop has left behind in terms of descendants. The winter family has remained a powerful political force throughout american history among the several important members of the family. You have robert winthrop the speaker of the house in the late eighteen forty s rubber with rope was the four-times great grandson grandson of john winthrop and just in case. You don't think the winter of family is still a force former senator from massachusetts secretary of state and democratic critic presidential candidate. John kerry is the eight time great grandchild of john winthrop so even after all these years. The winthrop family remains very much alive. I am politically influential well. John winthrop may have fallen short on the ladder in terms of forming a more revolutionary society winthrop's words continued to serve as something that the united states strives to be it is how the united states wants the world to view it and for that we have john winthrop to i think next time we are going to move on to the second biography episode of the show if john winthrop was a moderate than roger. Williams must have seemed like a radical in two weeks time we are going to dive in and start looking at the man who is so often at odds with john winthrop and who would ultimately earn his place as one of the earliest founding fathers until then i wanna thank you for listening and i will see you back here in two weeks as we look at the life of roger williams <music>..

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

The Political History of the United States

12:01 min | 1 year ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Political History of the United States

"He's to speak evil of the way of god and all the professors for god's sake we shall shame the faces of many of god's worthy servants and caused their prayers to be turned into curses upon us to we become consumed out of the good land whether we are going the line from that speech for we must consider that we shelby as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all the people are upon us has the place as one of the most famous lines in american history. It serves almost <music> as a mission statement for what the united states itself wants to stand for today. The legacy of the line is so often portrayed in terms of democracy eighty or the moral attitudes of the united states which genuinely really is not winthrop had intended however the fact remains that the simple line by winthrop has withstood the the test of time and remains one of the building blocks that the united states recipe poetic sermons aside winthrop still is a columnist travelling to a harsh and unforgiving land after an initial dispute over the location of the colony in salem winthrop personally relocated to a new settlement off the charles river near massachusetts massachusetts bay in what would become boston winthrop's next task was going to be the establishment of a government. We talked last time about the government that was established in new england. The freemen who were members of the church had a vote for the assistant magistrates those magistrates would then vote for the office of governor it is important do not get carried away here and begin thinking that john winthrop was in any fashion early republican and just a quick note here on terminology because i want to be clear about this until we basically reached the civil a war. If you hear me mentioned republicans please no. I'm referring to small are republicans. In other words. These are not members of the modern republican party but rather these are those who advocate the creation of republic got it good terminology side. John winthrop was no republican winthrop government. It was essentially a limited democratic dictatorship sure members of the church did get a vote for their leaders but that's where democracy ended. This was not a complex complex form of government in fact it was unbelievably simple vote for the guy you want and then up until the next election they are going to have near absolute power additionally with was not a supporter of universal suffrage he in fact did all he could to limit the electric winthrop insisted that only those freeman men who were members of the church could vote this of course is going to have a widespread chilling effect members outta the church would have no voice in government likewise likewise by limiting who could vote it should the church would remain powerful. This isn't to say that winthrop wanted to establish anything looking like a theocracy instead he wanted wanted to limit suffrage to men whom he knew would support the puritan way of life in this way winthrop had not established democracy where the people act as the source the power rather winthrop had designed a system where a small group of loyal men tied more centrally to the church would become the source from which power could be obtained so sure john winthrop was willing to let church members be part of the electorate but at the same time is going to be a vast overstatement to refer to winthrop rope as being a pro republican or even particularly democratic the power of the governor which more often than not met winthrop had full rights over both the practical tactical function of the colony and the legislative function in terms of legislative action there was relatively little early in the colony law and order was important but they already had a law code the bible winthrop turn to the bible asses legal code and was sufficiently satisfied to simply follow out the punishments prescribed within initially during those early years winthrop would develop a rivalry with thomas dudley dudley would often find himself at odds with winthrop deadly repeatedly call that winthrop's policies then would become a general pain in the side of john winthrop. The biggest conflict between the men came over the laws. Both men supported the bible. Their legal basis winthrop took a more lenient view understanding that colonial life was harsh winthrop supported acting in a manner that gave more lenient punishments deadly looking at this said. Hey we have a covenant with god. Who are you to disobey him when he came up with these punishments. Do you see a list of exceptions lunacy yeah me neither eventually winthrop would lose out and with those the governorship over these debates but don't feel too bad for winthrop. He is going to be back as governor soon enough well. There's really goes to show hover is that it's not like winthrop exists on an island in the colony. He does does have to deal with political pressures of the day and navigate the seas like anybody else. Ultimately with rope would become something of a moderate politically wedged in between the the more conservative thomas dudley who we've been talking about and eventually the more liberal minded roger williams who we are going to talk about in depth next time this isn't to say that went through would be a moderate by contemporary standards because no he really isn't but at this moment he found himself occupying that position this also moves us to a more central point about the politics and the beliefs of john winthrop winthrop often talks about covenants between the settlers and god this dominated the worldview of winthrop and was something that seemed always to be at the forefront of his policies in winthrop's mind. The people had an agreement with god in some ways this this is not terribly dissimilar from the political thought a century later during the american revolution john locke one of the biggest influences in the revolution believed that a social contract contract existed between the individual and their government. This is a very popular line of thought throughout the age of enlightenment and would be a central theme of the entire era winthrop's beliefs are not that out of line with this however he views the contract not as one between a body politic and the government but rather with god god as the sovereign in other words. There was a social contract between everybody and god and again. This is not to say that winthrop is some enlightened enlightened thinker. The guy really isn't winthrop was as previously discussed anti-democratic at his very core effect winthrop would right at one point that a democrat is amongst the most vile nations accounted the meanest and worst of all forms of government because i already said it once i want to be clear that democrat macron in this instance is a small democrat in this fashion winter viewed politics with a top down approach. There is a compact between god and the people as part of that government arises and liberty is something that comes from the government itself the takeaway from all of this is that well it is tempting to try and make winthrop into some pro republican. He just isn't winthrop believed in a system that was top heavy power flow down from god through through the government and then eventually reached the individual god was the sovereign all power originated with him in idea like the people being the sovereign would have been ludicrous to winthrop so when looking at winthrop it is important to always keep in mind what he was and what he wasn't as much watches we want to shoehorn winthrop into enlightened voice. Preaching democracy winthrop wasn't that and shouldn't be seen as such winthrop's policies are rooted in the bible able not in the enlightenment for when throughout the chief argument against him over the years. We'll continue to be his relative leniency. The argument which began again with thomas dudley would continue as a running narrative through the later part of the sixteenth thirties despite the ongoing controversy winter would become governor again in the later half of the sixteenth thirties when throughput alternately four cents as the governor of massachusetts for a total of twelve years when ups chief concern remained the risk of separatism well certainly believed in reforming the church he would remain a staunch anti-separatists for the remainder of his life. This would often lead to tension between the the more separatist leaning members of the colony. This is going to be of particular importance to one dealing with roger. Williams williams was in comparison to winthrop. Nothing thinks short of a radical in his ideology a fierce separatists williams would into bouncing from church to church. None of them reached the level of purity that he was seeking. We are going to go ahead and leave roger williams alone for now however he is going to get his time in the next episode. It is the injured play however of these two men in that is really going to set the stage for some of the biggest controversies of the day and we're gonna see more of that next week for winthrop he would spend much of the rest of his career attempting into perry the repeated attempts to change the religious direction of the colony in two episodes time we are going to dig deeper into the increasingly complex religious situation in new england during the later half of the sixteen thirty s and moving into the sixteen forty s these attempts to steer the religious direction of the colony are always going to remain the most important thing for winthrop as you'll see drain that episode winthrop would spend the rest of his life right in the thick of the religious debate around new england well practical governance was was a pretty huge part of what he did after all the guy is the colonial governor in harshened unforgiving land he always remained tightly tethered to his puritan beliefs every decision he made was directed at maintaining the religious order that he helped established upon arrival in massachusetts however keep in mind that despite winthrop using religion as the basis for basically everything including how he runs the government he is not in favor of theocracy in fact winthrop was distinctly aware of the dangers that come with a theocracy and actively sought to avoid it and this makes sense think back to the origins of where the puritans come from cacophonous. They're coming out of the reformation. The entire purpose of the reformation is because the catholic church hierarchy had become so corrupt in the eyes of people liked luther so for winter he wants to avoid letting that kind of hierarchical structure form where the government and the church are so closely intertwined winthrop winthrop recognized the danger of having the church and the government being the same entity when they're wanted a government that would be protective of religion the government guided by religion however the church needed to remain separate of government and went through new it the church had no official authority in the government government and the government was careful not to allow the church to affect civil rights winthrop spent much of the sixteen forty s working through twin crises. The first question is was going to remain in massachusetts to begin with king charles finally relented and called for parliament that the great migration that had been going now for a decade not only ended if threatened to reverse course with parliament meeting again the doors were open to return to england however for winthrop he viewed his place as being in massachusetts wither had built something in massachusetts heat viewed his place in the world as remaining in the new world and working on supporting his more pure church at the same time however a crippling depression hit the colony in the sixteen forty s this depression that winter was personally forced to sell large amounts of his property property to pay his personal debts now without going into detail. The loss of his money was largely not winthrop's fault personally one of them in that he he had put in charge of helping rented the state's james lectured was basically really awful business and possibly corrupt lectured begun taking out large loans in winthrop's name loans loans that.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly

Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly

"I do wonder though, whether American politics has always been this way. And yes, we had a civil war. And yes in the early days of the Republic because we've all seen Hamilton there were horrible and scoreless attacks, and I get that. But I wonder if we've always been as seemingly fixed as we are now that people will take a an intellectual political challenge as a personal attack because you can't turn around now without one of those intellectual challenges being you are socialist. You know what I mean? Right. Totally. Yeah. I don't know. But look, and and this is gonna sound this is going to have echoes of American exceptionalism speech in Copenhagen in two thousand nine, but but look we are supposed to be different. We are founded on ideas that were different. And we were supposed to be from Reagan to John Winthrop, the shining city on the hill. Right. And we are supposed to enjoy. Oy and thrive on these challenges to ourselves that we can then take and learn and grow from and the thing that's happening today is that we're not learning and growing from these challenges. We're right. We're digging deeper into our trenches and instead of being the shiny shining city on the hill where some faded relic of of that ideal which okay cue, the darks thing, which we're going to get to as a little dystopia in. But it feels very tangible today on election day. Yeah. I it's hard not to be in place now because I think you're right. We want to have faith that there is something about America that can overcome that even though we know that those ideals were written by people in power who didn't necessarily think they should apply to all the people around them, and that it's always been a complicated ideal that we have not always executed it faithfully to say the least. But we want to. I I hear what you're saying that we want America to be better. Point number three from George lake off getting back to the task at hand. It's all political messaging, and how you might do political messaging differently, depending on your worldview, what.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Michael Knowles Show

The Michael Knowles Show

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Michael Knowles Show

"To form another relationship with her that's a terrible idea don't humiliate yourself she'd made out with another dude in front of you or you out of your mind what's the matter with you i feel like don corleone talking to johnny contain ones amount of whether you'll get a hold of yourself you're gonna act like a man no don't do it if she comes groveling and begging and saying i'm sorry i've totally changed my mind and you know i was so wrong and please please forgive me crying at your feet then maybe consider it but don't go crawling back and say please light do you like me or you better now i understand no no kidding me no no i wouldn't i wouldn't even talk to her she comes begging talk to or otherwise no okay before we get to that it's real real turn the other cheek for for national fair day before we say goodbye there's one last thing i'd like to do because it's a national day of prayer i would like to remind us of the baptism of america one of the one of the early blessings to america which came from governor john winthrop in sixteen thirty was written aboard the arbella that came over to to what would become the united states in sixteen thirty model of christian charity this used to be required reading everywhere now it's probably banned in schools but if this is an essential american foundational text so we can read it before we say goodbye it's very long you should read the whole thing here are the big quotes that are always pulled out governor winthrop four we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill the eyes of all people are upon us so that if we shall deal falsely with our god in this work we have undertaken and so caused him to withdraw his present help from us we shall be made a story and by word through the world but if our hearts shall turn away so that we will not obey but shelby seduced and worship other gods our pleasure and prophets and serve them it is propounded unto us this day we shall surely perish out of the good land with her we pass over this vast sea to possess it therefore let us choose life that we.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600

WAAM Talk 1600

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600

"Was their intent and many thousands if not millions came afterward inspired by the same sense of reality and pursuing from the same mental perspective the things of god to implement into their daily activities stood a degree that it was show a uniqueness unknown by the world and that was their case and as we come and look at america when we read the profound words of john winthrop way back there hundreds of years ago when he landed in sixteen thirty and here we can oh my god here we come for over four hundred years later and we look at the current world we live in something has happened what happened to the zeal and the love of god that was so evident and so prominently displayed by these individuals and this success was a man not not whispered but but shouted throughout there there is a place called america well there is some scars now there is some situations now in america that tell us that something happened we were attacked we were overwhelmed by some forces that diminish the light and almost have extinguished even aglow and we have become something that was not in the intent of these individuals like john winstrom and others who came old blessed the wonderful name of our god and king to create something that would be a minute and astonishing wonder of lure but you know what i want to tell you i believe that at such a time as this we have a commandment from the lord to go forth and fight for what we once had and we cannot go in our own strands but we have to hear the word and the admonition of the holy spirit in the book of equations the six chapter and the tenth verse concluding a man some instructions he was giving.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk

KVNT Valley News Talk

02:28 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk

"Massachusetts bay colony was prosperous almost from the beginning and part of the reason it was so prosperous was because so many new arrivals kept coming to the colony and then those who are already there's could help to make money by selling them the supplies and sometimes even the land that they needed but the whole basis for the colony was work work was glorified work was doing the lord's work and in fact even the governor himself john winthrop who is so often governor there were a few breaks thomas deadly took over the governorship for a while but winthrop himself would work with his hands to set an example for his people the important point here though was that nobody even entertain the idea that there should be a separate racean of church and state i mean after all if the purpose of all this work is to create god's kingdom on earth and a christian commonwealth what's the idea of association between state the pastor of the individual churches tend to be the most learned men of course you wanted them to influence the magistrates and the government some of this spirit was captured in sixteen thirty six when the church in boston under its leader john cotton one of the most influential clergyman of the colony renewed its covenant in the following terms we do also give up our cells one unto another in the lord and according to the will of god freely covenant ing and binding ourselves to walk together as a right ordered congregation and church of christ in all ways of his worship according to the holy rules the word of god promising in brotherly love faithfully to watch over one another's seoul's part of watching over one another's seoul's involved uh commonsense rules for instance single people were forbidden from ah night gang that was the term it meant that a few signal you could not walk down inviting country lanes with a member of the opposite sex single people generally were not looked upon very well and colonial massachusetts in fact the idea was that there was an obligation if single people were unable to start their own house there was a law that required that any one single person who couldn't afford of sport a home of his own had to.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on WGTK

WGTK

02:28 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on WGTK

"Massachusetts bay colony was prosperous almost from the beginning and part of the reason it was so prosperous was because so many new arrivals kept coming to the colony and then those who are already there could help to make money by selling them the supplies and sometimes even the land that they needed the whole basis for the colony was work uh work was glorified work was doing the lord's work and in fact even the governor himself john winthrop who was so often governor there were a few breaks thomas deadly took over the governorship for a while but winthrop himself would work with his hands to set an example for his people the important point here though was that nobody even uh detain the idea that there should be a separation of church and state i mean after all if the purpose of all this work is to create god's kingdom on earth and a christian commonwealth what's the idea of the separation between church and state the pastor is of the individual churches tend to be the most learned men of course you wanted them to influence the magistrates and the government some of the spirit was captured in sixteen thirty six when the church in boston under its leader john cotton one of the most influential clergyman colony renewed its covenant in the following terms we do also give up our cells one unto another in the lord and according to the will of god freely covenant ing and binding our cell to walk together as a right ordered congregation and church of christ in all ways of his worship according to the holy rules the word of god promising in brotherly love faithfully to watch over one another's seoul's part of watching over one another seoul's involves some common sense rules for instance single people were forbidden from ah night walking that was the term it meant that if you were single you could not walk down inviting country lanes with a member of the opposite sex single people generally were not looked upon very well and colonial massachusetts in fact the idea was that there was an obligation if single people were unable to start their own house there was a law that required that any single person who can afford sport home of his.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on I'll Drink to That! Talking Wine with Levi Dalton

I'll Drink to That! Talking Wine with Levi Dalton

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on I'll Drink to That! Talking Wine with Levi Dalton

"The roane movement amounted to an opportunity for winemakers to make something that didn't really amount to an establishment vibe and they could sort of do their own thing they could frequently bland which is of course a tradition in the rhone valley they could experiment with things like rose aaa which at the time it's hard to believe were virtually not drunk at all in california and they got to really stretch their wings and feel as creative as they were you make a point in a book that one of the appeals of their winds to people were drinking them especially in california was kind of an anti establishment vibeke i think of thackery for example is some observing hey you know people really gravitated to this guy partly because the winds but partly because he just sort of fit in with the mindset of the anti establishment absolutely and i think that is really what informed is going into wind in the first place he told me explicitly as if no one was planting mierlo and i made a maher lo i would have become a mere low producer but as it happens i mean he stumbled on some of the great older preserved vineyards that had ruined varieties in the soil and so he was really one of their great actors in the early going and actually the book itself originally than planet to be so much of a history as it turned out to be i mean that was sort of an evolution for you as well right absolutely when the university of california press and i first started discussing this work we had in mind a book that they had recently published pena nawar by john winthrop's hager very good very comprehensive book but dominated in in many respects by the notion of it's being a guidebook and as you probably know guidebooks are something of a dime a dozen in in the literature and um that's fine they have their purpose uh there's a inherent problem in that they're almost instantly obsolete the moment they at the shelves but beyond that it.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on WGTK

WGTK

02:33 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on WGTK

"Massachusetts bay colony was prosperous almost from the beginning and part of the reason it was so prosperous was because so many new arrivals kept coming to the colony and then those who are already there could help to make money by selling them the supplies and sometimes even the land that they needed but the whole basis for the colony was work nick was glorified work was doing the lord's work and in fact even the governor himself john winthrop was so often governor there were a few breaks thomas deadly took over the governorship for a while but winthrop himself would work with his hands to set an example for his people the important point here though was that nobody even entertain the idea that there should be a separation of church and state law i mean after all if the purpose of all this work is to create god's kingdom on earth and a christian commonwealth what's the idea of a separation between church and state the pastor is of the individual churches tend to be the most learned men of course you wanted them to influence the magistrates and the government some of the spirit was captured by 16 thirty six when the church in boston undies leader john cutler in one of the most influential clergyman of the colony renewed its covenant in the following terms we do also give up our cells one unto another in the lord and according to the will of god freely covenant ing and binding ourselves to walk together as a right ordered congregation in church of christ in all ways of his worship according to the holy rules the word of god promising in brotherly love faithfully to watch over one another's seoul's part of watching over one another's seoul's involved some common sense rules for instance single people were forbidden from ah night walking that was the term it meant that if you were single you could not walk down inviting country lanes with a member of the opposite sex single people generally were not looked upon very well and colonial massachusetts in fact the idea was that there was an obligation if single people were unable to start their own household kgb there was a law that required that any single person who couldn't afford a sport a home of his own had to live with one of the town on families now in most cases.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk

KVNT Valley News Talk

02:26 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk

"Was prosperous almost from the beginning and part of the reason it was so prosperous was because so many new arrivals kept coming to the colony and then those who are already there could help to make money by selling them the supplies and sometimes even the land that they needed but the whole basis for the colony was work work was glorified work was doing the lord's work and in fact even the governor himself john winthrop who was so often governor there were few breaks thomas deadly took over the governorship for a while but winthrop himself would work with his hands to set an example for his people the important point here though was that nobody he even entertain the idea that there should be a separation of church and state i mean after all if the purpose of all this work is to create god's kingdom on earth and a christian commonwealth what's the idea of a separation between church and state the pastor's of the individual churches tend to be the most learned men of course you wanted them to influence the magistrates and the government some of this spirit was captured in sixteen thirty six when the church in boston under its leader john cotton one of the most influential clergyman the colony renewed its covenant in the following terms we do also give up our cells one unto another in the lord and according to the will of god freely covenant ing and binding ourselves to walk together as a right ordered congregation and church of christ in all ways of his worship according to the holy rules the word of god promising in brotherly love faithfully to watch over one another's seoul's part of watching over one another seoul's involved some common sense rules for instance single people were forbidden from ah night walking that was the term it that if you were single you could not walk down inviting country lanes with a member of the opposite sex single people generally were not looked upon very well and colonial massachusetts in fact the idea was that there was an obligation if single people were unable to start their own house oils there was a law that required that any single person who couldn't afford a sport a home of his own on had to live with one of.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

The Steve Deace Show

01:35 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

"And of course their homes were destroyed did the the israel preemptively attacked them no it's a defensive measure so who's ultimately responsible for their homes being destroyed people heading up the people heading out the cash but of do you blame the one hand in you the cash typically or the one that didn't handed the cash which when he tenable unteneble not the one who manages the cash they're deep so they buy their allegiance why do you think there are bounties why do you think they have bounties for hey your family essentially gets a dowry if you blow yourself up as a jihadist why did they do this why because tait john winthrop in the puritans when they landed here really tried to establish we're all just going to work together for the common good how that work they were half of them were dead in a year so finally is like you know what man here's how this could roll if your faithful in a little if you if you farm your land and do great with that i'm going to give you even more and if you suck it firming your land taking your land away from young given to the guy who's good we in three years they had tripled their yield in america was often running we have the we have to incentivize human nature for what it actually is not for what we wanted to be this is progressivism failure of history it refuses to acknowledge it is based not on there is a god r rights come from him and the old in the primary role of government is the protection and preservation of godgiven rights it has agreed to yield its creed ultimately is when you boil it down here's its creed e b like god that's its creed ultimately.

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"john winthrop" Discussed on WREK

WREK

01:31 min | 3 years ago

"john winthrop" Discussed on WREK

"In which america is an exception within the western world which has historians political scientists are legal scholars and it was not before the obama presidency that the phrase american exceptionalism became to be widely used in the us political debate now some of you may say wait isn't the idea that america is inherently superior much older i dear think about john winthrop the city upon a hill and yes it's true that ever since europeans came to north america many were convinced that they have found a new world that he could mold into a perfect society and that native americans do not have a right to their land some founding fathers also believed that providence was on their side as they found it the great american democracy that we have today and in the nineteenth century there was the emergence of another phrase called manifest destiny in eighteen forty five which referred to the fact that america had a godgiven right to expand westward and take over land from mexico and they've americans and also to thwart the claims of european powers to north american land but these ideas were not called by the precise phrase american exceptionalism.

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