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Private jets and climate change
"This is a CBC podcast. Matt Galloway. This is podcast from the January. Anuary twenty second edition of the current. This is not a time for pessimism. This is a time. For optimism to embrace the possibilities of tomorrow we must reject the perennial prophets of doom and their predictions of the apocalypse chiefs. At least one of those so-called prophets of doom was in the audience as Donald Trump gave that speech in Davos Switzerland the Swedish teen activist Greta Tune Berg. She gave a speech of her own yesterday. Calling for emissions to stop completely. Climate change is high on the agenda at the World Economic Forum. There is also no escaping the fact that many billionaires airs and world leaders who traveled there got to Switzerland aboard their own private jets even as climate warnings multiply the private aviation business is booming. A recent forecast asked predicts sales continue to rise by about seven percent this year. If you happen to be in the market for your own plane you might want to pay a visit to the jets business. It's a showroom on upper-crust Park Lane one of the most desirable streets in London freelance producer. Dave Dodd got a tour from founders. Steve Are Sano. So as I I come in. Come up these three steps and you have the couch with the Backgammon Board. People when they're traveling. That's something else to we do. Have a pop up TV. We have the chairs. And then if you go a little deeper we have these doors that separate the dining room slash slash conference room and in here. All the chairs are done in a carbon fiber and leather. Is this a win win. Deal is yeah we. We have a cabinet with the champagne fine wines this is what we call our trading for and as you can see each desk is a replica of a cockpit from one of the corporate jets so where normally the corporate jet has a copilot and the pilot seat but this is basically a single seat with the triple screens which is basically what you seat today in a corporate jet covering. Yeah it's actually. The leather is sort of like Bentley kid glove leather and then on walk past the trading four on the right side you have this humongous a video wall which is about forty feet wide and ten feet gene high and the screen is where we show our video our APP and it's a process where you can actually take a client from not knowing anything anything and fully educate them on the whole market and why you should buy a certain kind of an airplane. We had a lot of times. People say you know I really want my interior to be. Wow and I try to convince him. You don't want while here. You sit on an airplane sometimes for ten twelve hours. You don't WanNa be in a place like like that. It is a an environment to work in and relaxing. And if it's too I don't WanNA use the word obnoxious but if it's too loud or if it's to defining is sometimes it doesn't let you go that Space Steve Arsenault Good Morning Good Morning Davos World Economic Forum is underway right now. How many of those people flying into Davos this week do you think? But they're jets through you. I don't know I don't know everybody is going to be there but I did to read something that there's about one hundred billionaires that are gonna be at Davos and in the last two years. We've had about ninety seven billionaires in our showroom so there's probably a few them that are there that have definitely been to our office. You're talking to somebody who usually ends up on a plane at the back in steerage. I think what is it like to fly in a private jet It is definitely different. It is really a business tool. It's time machine. There are so many benefits of course people want to relate it to a luxury Korea item which it is of course but the reason people do choir. Airplanes is really to to manufacture time. You have flexibility in your schedule. You have security the F. confidentiality. So there's a lot of things that you'd benefit from from being in a corporate jet besides just the pure fact of being an immobile curious atmosphere when you describe it as a time machine. What do you mean by that? Well we've done analysis where a corporate executive. Let's say who FIS about four hundred dollars a year which which is about the best use of corporate that would give a corporate executive an additional sixty business days a year compared to if he had to fly on a commercial airline. So if you look at a company whose has hundreds of thousands of employs and they can take a chairman or presidency or whatever and and and another twenty percent of his year To be using to develop the company there's no value you can put that in a dollar term you have a storefront and and usually you associate storefronts with you know. I'M GONNA walk entering into by stationary. Here I'M GONNA walk. Maybe the cargo ships storefront and I might go test drive a car. Do people walk in off the street and buy a jet. Well you know they don't just walk in and say here's my credit card. I want to buy something that doesn't have. I wish it did but that being said we do have people who walk in off the street unannounced and sign mandates would actually represent them to buy or sell an airplane. First Time never met US before after go through the whole presentation we have it does happen. WHO's buying your planes high? Sixty percent of the people are Americans and You got about fifteen. Twenty percent of Europeans have five percent in Asia. Five percent in Africa too. That's the mix of where the corporate jets all around the world and that's about the mix of our our declined pace who has bought a plane from you can give us a name or to a lot of people don't like to be told who they are But one person doesn't minded. WHO's very well known North America's Tony Tony Robbins motivational speaker? And I'm sure you know who he is and he's a very well known in need just consider that he's changed a lot of people's lives but he actually thinks that this airplane acquisition changed his life. I'm not sure Tony Robbins spend on a private jet that I don't think he wants to tell anybody to take the names off of it. How much money are people spending on on the planes that you sell? It really has a really wide range but the majority of airplanes. I'd say in the longer range. Airplanes go from tend to thirty million dollars over thirty million dollars. What do I get? He get a fourteen passenger airplane. That could fly say faith twelve fourteen hours missile. Let's say from Los Angeles to London in a cabin that you can stand up and walk around. Not exactly a Boeing but they stand up six foot one cabin and we heard in the tour. I mean you can also have it kitted out and redesigned In any way that you want so thirty million dollars that's sort of the base price it's like buying a car and it doesn't come with Some the extra features I would need to spend more if I want those extra features. Now want the extra interior design while I'm talking about pre-owned aircraft so that all the new airplanes are much more expensive. The brand new Boeing or an Airbus like the one that was a tour given yesterday. That's about one hundred million dollars hundred million dollars you know so how. Many people are spending one hundred million dollars on a plane. Well that kind of an airplane is about two hundred and fifty of those in the world half of which are owned by heads of state. So you're talking about in the corporate world is only about one hundred twenty that are in throughout the whole world enter the AH people who have cashed in on something are they companies. That are doing well and they want the best for their CEO or for the president. I mean who who ends up spending that kind of money on. Well it's not it's really not having the best for the CEO and chairman and actually is a big corporate asset tool airplanes. Airplanes for a lot of corporations are necessary business tools but there are people who buy the jets. I mean it may not be for corporate use. They might for personal use as well right I. It's it's very very rare. I am telling you that nobody really buys a corporate jet for personal use. Nobody really buys a plan for for just a toy. This just doesn't doesn't have how much swagger is involved in this in terms of what people want immunity doors the corporate need. Is You say If you can figure out how to justify that but it's also a luxury item minutes. It's like an ultra luxury luxury luxury item. How much swaggers involved in in showing off what you have and how you've earned well? There is a factor that I guess you call. I bike because I can. And most of the time people do buy something way. Above what what their absolute need is but MS twenty one thousand jets in the whole world and of the twenty one thousand fifteen thousand what they consider smaller medium sized the jets a medium sized jet is basically the size of a minivan. It's really a transportation piece. How often does the issue of carbon emissions come up with your clients? It's it's starting to come up more and more now and people becoming more conscious of it and they do want to do something about it. There are some companies in programs that you can an easily by carbon footprint offsets. And it's not that expensive Believe it or not the whole airline industry contributes about two percent of the carbon footprint problem around the world and the corporate jet market is actually two percent of that two percent so it's only point zero four percent fan of the whole carbon footprint issue. It's not a big deal that we're contributing and in fact in the last Fifteen years they've reduced their carbon footprint by at sixty percent. But do any of your clients. Feel a disconnect between if they are interested in in carbon offsets the fact that they might want to purchase carbon offsets but they're purchasing private jet had yet but they still have to conduct business. I mean we are still living in the twenty first century and people do have to understand that. I'm not in the Stone Age and as much as we people people want to be able to save the Earth you still have to survive you have to live and you have to produce revenue for your shareholders and you just can't do that under some of these restrictions as you're doing this business in the business has been good but in the process of that business is your head over. Get scrambled with the fact that somebody wants to spend thirty forty fifty one hundred million nine dollars on a plane. I'm street guy from New Jersey and I've had to work for everything in my life. Nobody's giving me a thing and you know I. I still look at the value over dollar our every time I spent a penny and and ideal with the WHO's who around the world. I can't say that it's mind boggling. Because obviously I've become I'm used to it a little bit over the years but these people the industry's at running and the values of the companies and the number of people they employ in what they're adding to the world. Economy's IT'S A pittance to change purchase. Something like that. In order to produce a business at producing Steve Are Saunas. Great to talk to put this is fascinating. Thank you thank you very much. Steve or Sano is the founder and CEO of the Jet Business and helps clients buy and sell private jets as he mentioned. You do hear plenty of celebrities. Liberties and business executives the very ones who are using those private jets talking about their concerns when it comes to climate change and this is something that walking Phoenix called out recently the Golden Globes. It's really nice that so many people have come up and sent their well wishes source Julia but sometimes we have to take that responsibility on ourselves and make changes ages and sacrifices in our own lives. We don't have to take private jets to palm springs for the war sometimes or back. Please and I'll tell you do better. And I hope you able to thank you so much for guzzling has been looking into the impact. Private jets have on climate change. And how the habits of the super-rich shape our attitudes about flying. He's a professor assertive tourism at Villanova University in Sweden Stefan. Good Morning Damani. We heard Steve or sauna. They're saying that The private jet business is not a big deal. When it comes to the contribution it makes to Greenhouse Gases in the the whole carbon emission issue how much do we know definitively about the role that private jet travel would play in emissions. Well I think it's a question of perspective If you want London is just point. Zero zero one percent of global emissions Peres's just point zero zero one percent of emissions so in some sense all of them are irrelevant And one could argue but I think you have to take it The other way round the question is how does each and every individual in the world contribute to climate change and that should be the point of measurement. How does that compare your flying in a private jet? How does it compare to flying commercial? Well that depends on the jet itself off There can be an order of magnitude or more in terms of impact that is Edit to what would cause if you flew so in in a regular jet just to say this if you fly Konami offer classes already affected too in other words. If you fly first class you would admit twice twice as much as Somebody flying economy class so whenever you use a private jet the emissions would be in comparison the World Economic mkx forum is underway right now and a lot of the people as we mentioned who are there a have flown in on private jets the forum talking a lot of climate change in the climate crisis and announced that Private jets that are flying into the airport in Zurich will be able to use what's known as sustainable aviation fuel it produces apparently fewer emissions and They'll also be offering the chance for participants to buy carbon offsets for their private jet travel. Are those measures useful in dealing with Emissions well I I was. There is no sustainable jet fuel so it might be a future proposition but nobody is actually producing anything. That is even less carbon not speak of zero carbon fuel if you've wanted that A major major Investment would have to be made in order to even produce a tiny amount over the next years so all of this to me is much green rhetoric. It's not weedy the kind of action I would like to see. Somebody buys carbon offsets to assuage their guilt. That's about it. It's not really doing anything meaningful you say. Well most of the common offsets you Kim by on the market and then I actually boarded large scale by the aviation industry. Is Forest projects. Look at Australia. Look at California I think everybody everybody will realize that. It's not a really safe way of storing carbon We need something then goes beyond this. Hi I'm Jamie plus on for the last decade I've been a newspaper reporter and lately I'm just finding it hard to keep up with the news as of today. Simple possession of marijuana is no longer illegal it can be hard hard to make sense of. Things spent nine hours in the consulates their own murder. I want to change that at least a little. Join me weekdays at six. Am for front burner at daily podcast from CBC News. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast. You did this research paper tracking the private jet habits of celebrities in particular. What did you find in that work? What we found that the average celebrity that we looked into what caused emissions ten thousand times greater than the average human being ten thousand times? Ten Thousand Times. Yes that does not even consider the nuncio tweet affects When when you fly cause additional global warming compared to surface bond traffic That is because flight attitudes The emissions causing have different impacts on the climate and That obviously as the means that whenever people fly that has a very significant impact on the atmosphere who were the WHO are the super meters when it comes to those celebrities. Well we only looked into ten people really and the most Pronounce Liar. Was Bill Gates in this case We I do know that These people are not Perhaps even sticking out in terms of emissions caused by individuals because there's larger aircraft partially used. We just took that in the Interview before That there's Boeing's being used as private aircraft obviously much larger emissions associated with that We also know that people fly lots a lot more than those people. We studied in our case up to Seventy seventy seventy seven flights. It's per year but we know from studies that people fly up to three hundred times per year So I I would say these people are not even sticking out when when it comes to uh-huh Bill Gates is interesting because obviously founded Microsoft Microsoft just announced that it wants to be carbon negative by twenty thirty. He's also somebody who has has been a vocal supporter of carbon capture technology. How do we square that? With the fact that he uses a private jet to get around any action in in the direction of climate. Change mitigation as well come So I'm not anyone who would like to point a finger at Big Who certainly has done great things. Thanks but The other thing is that we need to See Action that actually makes a difference. We have talked the talk for all too long for decades. Really really and It's it's too late at this stage to continue that so I'd be happy when people I can make a difference investments for actual change in when we see those new technologies that would be great but for the moment. I think it needs a lot more pressure on these people to actually make them act on what they're saying in part because as is your research shows it's about what they do but it's also how we model what they do. Tell me about that. But how what. The influences that those celebrities super emitters would have the rest of us. Well the issue with The celebrities V studied in our paper is that they are obviously famous people who Live specific lifestyles. That they are admired for and If you think about someone like Jennifer Lopez with Perhaps one hundred ten and million twitter followers you can imagine that whatever these people tell us about their lifestyle about what is admiriable and desirable bull then Many people will try to imitate copy. Live up to that kind of model so whenever you see this kind of image that is posted on in some social media channel of someone taking another dip in some maybe Caribbean Kind of pool Mother Sandy Beach. That visited that automatically becomes the role model that most people would love to to follow and that becomes something that is problematic tick because the opposite the social norm change towards people being more critical about flying in trouble. And yet we heard you know walking Phoenix's comments just which went all around the world. The comments he made the Golden Globes in the remaining seconds that we have does that idea of a flight shaming actually work to get people to think differently about their habits. It does We see that in Sweden. We see that. In Germany people have started to fly less Mostly evident from domestic air travel numbers. That happened plummeting limiting over the last month. When the last year so walking Phoenix's comments could actually do some good to get people perhaps to think differently about that if he wants to be an NFL? Definitely I'm very happy the Took this up. And he's the first to actually Deviate from the social norm by telling people that they have to change to. I don't know whether he flew coach Or flew commercial back from the Golden Globes in Palm Springs or not but his comments certainly got a lot of attention stefan. It's good to speak with you. Thank you thank you Stefan. Gosling is a professor. Her of Tourism Atlanta's university in Sweden currently based in Freiburg. Germany your thoughts on this welcome in the issue of flight shaming something that a lot of people are talking about celebrities. And otherwise is you can reach us at C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash the current or on twitter for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.
The Jets Beat The Giants - Now What???
"Live from the Investors Bank studio boomer. Size Greg Jian Ati boomer and Geo on the bad simulcasts across the country on. CBS Sports Network Monday morning. It's finally happened jets giants in the rear view mirror. We don't have to talk about it anymore. Pass today and the New York jets were victorious in this game. That will go down in infamy if you WANNA look at it from a negative perspective go ahead because that's all all this season it's been about for the jets and giants especially now the giants having lost to a jets team. That looked like they were completely dead and the giants in the fourth quarter quarter totally folded from an offensive perspective. especially if you want to look at it from positive your jets fan. Yeah you won the Game Sam. Darnold look pretty good you and if you're a giant Fan Daniel Jones if he saw how figures out not giving up the ball to the other team is a bad thing then you might have something something there but they've got a long way to go defensively. This could be the worst team in football. I mean they are right up there and this offensive line with the injuries. They still haven't been able to figure out any sort of a semblance of a competent offensive line and their head. Coach is going to hear it today. It's a fan base is not. It's not tolerate embarrassing losses. Like this at all in Pat. Shurmur has heard it this year. It's GonNa hear louder today. Then he ever has good morning boomer. Our young doing all right man. No I'm not a fan of either team and I knew that when we came in here this morning that one team was gonna be crazed there. We're going to be apoplectic over the loss and everything else that happens to be the giants this morning and last night as I was imparted by my giant fans and then number two the other one was going to be somewhat apathetic. Because why did we win. Who Cares you know? I saw a sold-out stadium by the way and I saw fans into it. It actually saw fans in I heard fans into it and I talked to my jet fans who were there. They wanted their team the win and I think the giant fans wanted their team to win. And now we're in the aftermath of did and now we now comes the slings and arrows and the we're gonNA take shots at both teams and they're not that good offensive lines. Aren't that good. And we've got two great running backs actually can barely do anything because of those offensive lines. I saw two quarterbacks that played relatively well yesterday and I gotTa Tell Ya Daniel Jones looks like the real deal. I mean if you just hold onto the ball and be moral a little bit more aware. But this is the growing pains of playing with a young quarterback. I mean it's a second game where he's throwing four touchdown passes I mean he. It looks good. I mean he really looks good except and you always always up for the except in there that he's given the ball away and the other thing that came out of yesterday's game I thought what and even though the defense overall didn't play all that great because Daniel Jones did have a very good day day is I felt like Jamal. Adams had what I would consider like a statement eight-game for him given all the crap that he's been through over the last three weeks a lot of on his own merit. He planted the flag. It's the best football player in in New New York yesterday. Now I don't know if that's a flag you want to know right but he default but you've been up. He played his ass off. Yes he made a couple really amazing place and you know stealing the ball away from Daniel Jones one stopping saquon Barkley and running over him. That's another thing. Yeah and Saquon Barkley by the way the other guy who would be in that conversation for best football player in New York and Saquon Barkley. He's he cannot be one hundred percent healthy mean the fact that the guy is one yard on the ground on thirteen carries. I know he caught a couple of passes as-as but my goodness he was a non factor in this football. It's got to be a huge concern. He's not right and I told you last week after that long running. Had you could see that. He wasn't wasn't right and you went to go step on that leg at it. Didn't look right. He almost fell down. This was last week and then and then he got back up and continue on. I give them a lot of credit. He's out there trying to play but he's not one hundred percent and you can see that in what is his game. His game is starting and stopping or cutting and breaking and you know and of course you have three injuries on the offensive lineup giants which already make a very questionable offensive line even more questionable The fact that Daniel Jones end this game was somewhat entertaining until the final couple minutes. I thought we got more out of it than I would have expected. And I thought both quarterbacks played really well given the recent history of what's gone on here and Sam Sam Darnold made some really nice plays he took off and ran with the ball they had an Rpo for him. The score a touchdown all those things are great so and he. He seemed like he was locked. Locked in it's one game and you know I think for the giants. Now you're looking at Tanka thon right. You're looking at okay. Who are we going to draft? They need offensive and defensive linemen in the worst way they also need secondary help in the worst way their defense is a sieve. I mean it is just. It's about as bad as it gets. The we said it before I mean. It's just one of these defenses that the NFL's a couple teams the NFL provides you every year where there's guys that are running down the middle middle of the field wide open you saw in the Dallas game with the giants Ezekiel Elliott saying himself. This was the easiest one hundred and forty yards I've ever had because the holes those are just massive. They're just one of those defenses now. James Becher the defensive coordinator for the giants. I don't know how much of this falls in his lap when there is such a lack of talent but I will say when James Betcha goes out and gets guys like Antoine Buffet who are veterans who know his defense and he plugs guys like that around this defense to be able to put like a piece of Scotch tape on a damn. I just not working right. I mean nothing. That's going on with working. I know but think think about this. So if you watch game any game just say Christian McCaffrey. Aaron Jones Dalvin Cook last night. Your Guy. Zeke Elliott saquon Barkley when healthy. I mean the game is young and game fast and it is very fast and it's getting faster as we speak when you start bringing older guys who played few and other places. He says in premium positions that rely on speed. You get what you're seeing from the giants the giants trying to you know play defense with bandaids. Yeah you know. They don't have have great defensive. Players may have a couple of young guys that they hope to turn out to be good but when when guys like Antoine say alcohol will treat good guys. Good players had great careers careers. Come in here. And they are your preeminent players on defense. They're going to be exposed. I'm sorry they're going to be exposed and team to go through the ball down the field. And then you try to mix that with Andre dre Baker. Who's still struggling as a rookie getting targeted every week man? And he is and it's obvious right and he should be and this is part again. If we talk about young young quarterbacks growing up and making mistakes and learning how to stand in the pocket and make the throws and not try to turn the ball over and all that other stuff. You also have to take the same approach with a young quarterback cornerback going against the best athletes in football so commander screaming yellow but everything. I know what the problems are. You could see that. Both teams need an infusion talent and certain areas most most notably starting on the offensive line especially if the offensive line is GonNa be as injured as they were yesterday for the New York giants. I mean they were they were missing isn't through offensive linemen and the quarter still threw four touchdown passes. I mean they still scored a bunch of points which is amazing to me. He's doing from a statistical standpoint. Daniel Jones that not a lot of rookies. Do I mean he's got now two four touchdown games as a rookie. I think the record might be three in the history of the NFL. So I mean he is. He's doing those things and I believe that because his problem is turnovers that that's the most correctable thing there especially fumbles fumbles. It's the stuff in the pocket. Drives you crazy. Yeah hang onto the football I just I I think that that's a correctable thing. Why are they gonNA wind today? Says getting the ball down the field being ian confident in the pocket. All that stuff I think is great that you see. And then this fumble thing is just but one black cloud around but you know. We're we're the getting to also both both quarterbacks yesterday at times either their offense is not built to handle it. which makes me crazy if that's the case but because every often should be belt built built built able to handle a blitzer too you know? But sometimes they're like they're not paying attention like they don't see the bullet sometimes and that's where they get themselves in trouble but again they're young guys and they're going to go through this. This is part of learning process. Daniel Jones can only go by personal experience. I started my my. NFL debut thirty five years ago was my first game and it was against the Houston oilers. I was so lost and had no idea what the hell I was was doing. I could not even remotely come even close to look like what Daniel Jones will like yesterday. I you know I. I wasn't looking like Daniel Jones did yesterday until like back into my second year and mainly because of the you know where he is mentally and understanding the game and and standing in the pocket and without question without question that you know and again in yesterday talking about Daniel with coach cower and impact Kirwin over there and and Phil Simms. Were all just amazed at how cool he is in the pocket. Doc in how sometimes the clocks going off on him just yet meaning that he has to play a little bit quicker not not like for network he just got to get rid of the ball. Quicker just understand Dan things and just kind of anticipate things a little bit better and he'll be fine. I'm telling you he looks awesome in the pocket. Yeah really does. And I know it's frustrating trading that we're all living through a rookie quarterback year for the giants jets. Unfortunately watch their second year quarterback hit a really bad law and yesterday in the middle. It'll the game. He hit alone again. He's got to get through all of that crap but I still say the future is bright for Bolton's at the most important position sure and I think the jury is still out a little bit with Sam at this point because of the stretch that he went through and he just did this against the giants. The giants defense is what it is. I need to see more from him. Amen Adam gays from now until the end of the year. I mean this is sort of like a stay of execution for those guys but they still need to prove themselves arrest of the year with Daniel Jones. I mean I'm I am the supreme confident in his ability to get better and and build off of this and I know it's no consolation prizes giant fans. They they don't understand rob coming coming from they always yell and scream at me and say could you be so soft on the giants and all this stuff. It's not so much that understanding completely aware they are in there rebuild. That's what it is in the fact that this quarterback is playing the way that he is in showing you. These flashes to me is the most most important thing that could come out of the season hands down. And you don't have a defense that's got players on each. The biggest concern from a roster are building. Standpoint is the fact that you're off of line all sorts of permutations. You can't stay healthy guys aren't working out. That's the biggest thing right now. But the quarterback looks great. We really really really does. And what's he cleans up the turnovers. I mean he's got a potential to be a top ten five guy in the league. He's he's already believe it or not. Good enough to mask some of the problems. Your APP why you would pay a quarterback big money. Because he's the guy that could overcome some of the shortcomings on your roster. There are a lot of great quarterbacks have been doing that for years and Daniel Jones is what started the seventh game or eight-game. Whatever the hell it is right he already looks as good? So I'm right there with you but but I also understand why giant fans discuss it because they lost to the jets and the giants ownership is not going to be happy with this. We're should they be Pat Shurmur last week talked about a sense of urgency. Never comes off as an urgent guy. He always comes off like this business as usual guy always says like a very matter-of-fact are affect press conference and things of that nature and I've never heard of a coach who've ever who could ever speak in a press conference that's going to make your your fan base feel better after a long. There's never happens. And then the giants need to from an organizational standpoint at the end of this year. Think about who is in charge and if those guys can lead lead them into this next Phase I mean. That's really what it's going to be. Well that comes out to Dave gettleman and you look at his draft picks the last two years I would tell you he knows what he's doing. Well I'm talking about from my a head coach defensive coordinator offense coordinator standpoint. I mean he's Pat Shurmur. The guy that's GonNa get Daniel Jones from here to here is James. Bet You're going to be the guy when get the influx of talent that they want going to take this deep friends from the bottom of the League to a you know a competent top. Fifteen top ten diva. You know. That's what they're going to need to decide. Now Pat Shurmur to me. Are you going to tell me that. You think that these coaches one was an offense coordinator took his team in the NFC championship defended the guy better than most because he was your offense coordinator for the Vikings and then the other guy had a top ten defense Arizona and Arizona. The young guys drafted guys and quality. You know you have a Patrick Peterson. You'll have a tyron matthew you have all these young guys playing for you. The audion Buchanan was one of those guys at one point in time and he was a hybrid guy. That was doing a lot of different things and it was like. This was amazing that Jayme Beshir came up with this concept and all that the other stuff. These guys haven't forgotten how to co dry that right now some of the players that you have I I know that we disagree on some of the in game decisions for me though with with with Pat Shurmur are are really really mind numbing. I just don't know when you've got no timeouts at the end of a game. Why you don't just give it a shot? I understand fourth nineteen. I know you're backed all the way up. But you punt the ball away. It's a white flag and the chances of you converting on that fourth nineteen I know are very slim. But the chances for you to be able to get the ball back and score empty a pundit or justice limited. Looks like you're giving up and that's the type of stuff that I know. The giants fan is is going to be annoyed with when we get the calls today. It's like at least give it a shot. You don't like like punting used all your time outs it. Just give it a shot. I know it's miniscule your opportunity to convert especially with the way the offensive line. Look like you know basically. It's like a cheesecloth that was up there guys just being able to do whatever they want the jets. But it's like stuff like that. I think that when you see weekend and week out you questioned whether or not when this team is good if he's going to be able to be making the right decisions that's all and we have to wait. We have to wait and see because his team's not good so other year of really really bad. Look you know it's a it's an. It's an untenable no-win situation. You're on your own. Three Yard Line is Fourth of nineteen. You got three of your regular offense alignment out. You're not going to anyway even with those guys guys on the field. You have a rookie quarterback who does have a pension for turning the ball over in the pocket of the last thing. I here's games over Ebay shot. I'm just kind picking on myself. So you know my quarterback playing really. Well he's got. He's got four touchdowns he doesn't have an interception. You know it's like I don't WanNa put him. I'm in a situation where the last thing he does on the field is crappy is going to end up as an interception or something like that. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa hope that I I have three different ways of possibly getting the ball back. If in fact they try to feel the punt for a muff punt if they fumbled a snap if they punt themselves maybe we can block upon our return upon all those things are very rare as much as as rare as fourth in one thousand nine from your own. Three yard line is with with an injured offensive line and a rookie quarterback I I I get I understand it. I mean it's easy to sit in the stands or in front of the TV and say don't do you gotta do that. You've got and scream and yell your brains Out If you're not standing on that sideline and you don't understand exactly what the hell's happening with your quarterback and how his game going what you're trying to do and how you try to build him op. Do you have to take all of that stuff new account. Yeah I know but I mean like Willy Nilly and so yeah I was four th and nineteenth from three yard line and we're gonNA make it okay. I understand Eh. Then what happens. Then they take a knee. That's what happens. A jets take a knee in games over basically right. That's what happens is there's no timeouts Larry screaming. Why did what kind of scream kind of I mean there were no? I don't think they ran a draw Nevada for me the non fan okay the non fan of either one of these things but no the players know that people know everybody be involved and all I want is successful. I want them both to be successful. That's better for us. As opposed to sitting here screaming and yelling and trying to explain telling me every little ounce of the minutia that goes into these damn games but the the rosters are need to be rebuilt and I would say that for the giants there in the middle of that rebuild. There are players here now that have been drafted in the last two years that are going to be cornerstones of this franchise for the next seven to eight years. The Shaun O'Hara is David deals tells the Eli Manning's they're all here now. They're starting to come and they're going to be major makeovers. Both on the offense of a defensive line starting this year you home in the off season for the jets this deep. This general manager hasn't even a chance to have his also the roster. Well that's that's the big problem. is You thought what did you went through a rebuilding. And he got to start another one over. But if you're starting to over with the right guides better than sticking with the old guy and then continuing to have horrendous drafts and the off the other side of the and we know Gio I totally get the the irate giant fan this morning I totally understand that and you guys call and screaming. y'All I'm not it's it's your team it's your the ones that are GonNa be yelling about screaming about it. I'm just trying to put a realistic. Understanding is what they're going through a lot of people. WanNa hold Dave gettleman accountable for this. You know at the end of day. Dave gettleman selected Daniel Jones and got ripped in the paper for it and got ripped by the fans. What are we doing what the Daniel Jones says exceeded every single expectation? That anybody could have ever had a hat brim. Am I right. Oh Yeah No. He's been great. That's what I said earlier. Holy guys you got the most important part of your team fixed. You replaced a legend with a kid that is going out there and doing things that legend never or did is what it appears to be right now. Yes but there's just so many holes this is but this is what people didn't understand. When Dave gettleman started doing what he was doing? It wasn't him. I'm trying to take the roster. He had to make it better overnight. When he was doing? Was He recognized what he had wasn't working and had to do the most difficult thing. There was laws which was do a full and total rebuild of the roster and those giants fans. And there's some of the smartest football that realize that that's what they were doing yesterday. They probably didn't hurt as much for the ones that came into the season that we're tweet me. When I said that the giants would be three and thirteen again and said we're GONNA be eight on several going to play those? The ones that are pissed. You GotTa realize where you are as an organization all right.
TNF Recap Ravens Jets
"On First Down Jackson keeps carries. Taufik goes another rushing I down for Lamar Jackson remarked capes. He's got the record as he gets pop near near the six at gain of five and now the all time single season rushing record for a quarterback belongs to number eight Lamar Jackson. Congratulations to Lamar. I down and goal. Jackson throws it pass caught for the touchdown miles point kid bodies. He's in a tight. Space Jackson keeps throws pass caught. Touchdown Andrews second down and ten pass to the Dan so caught for the touchdown mark case crowd. You heard their Lamar. Jackson breaks the record in one of the most electric seasons. We've ever seen this. Is Chris. Wesleyan I'm here with Mark Sizzler. And LAKISHA Jackson. Wesleyan and LAKISHA MOM wrote. Oh we're all here at West Manor recapping ravens over jets and once again. Lamar Jackson sweeping the football bowl nation putting the MVP in the bag in my opinion mark. What say you well? I couldn't agree more. I mean you'd have to. He he would have to be essentially kidnapped. KNAPP tonight with no hope of returning for anyone else at this point to take the MVP award it was. It was amazing. He had sixty nine yards passing with about five plus to go in the third quarter and the jets seemed to be settling on defense not towards victory but just having a little bit of an effect on slowing down the Ravens and then suddenly the big plays came and Lamar Jackson winds up with two hundred twelve yards and five touchdowns through the air and I heard that he Coming down days. Essentially tied the franchise Ravens Record of none other than vinny testaverde from way back in the mid nineties. So I have a feeling the Mar- Jackson's GonNa snap a vinny t's record of old with two games to go. They have already broken franchise records for total. Td's points rushing yards and Lamar. Jackson is doing things no quarterbacks. Ever done and four quarterbacks picked ahead of him last year in the draft. We saw a lot of graphics about that tonight. They they have combined. Those four quarterbacks for three games of three or more touchdown passes this year. Lamar Jackson seven on his own. And he's supposed to be a runner. He broke vicks record in here is leading the NFL in passing touchdowns and just outpacing the other first round picks from his draft by miles and miles. I see a guy that just. He doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't kill you. Some of those other quarterbacks that we're talking about are still dealing with you know rashes of interceptions and and games were. They can't get out of their way. And there's fits and starts and regressions and I think we saw a little bit a little bit of that with Sam darnold tonight darnold or some really good stuff too. I thought the jets offense offense had a chance before the half on a broken down offensive drive to essentially a seven plus minute drive to get back into the game and they just couldn't do it. which has been a hallmark of the jets offense but darnold just does some incredible things here and there too? But Lamar Jackson does it. wire-to-wire minus the slumps the in game slumps he sort of immune to trends and strengths of the other team. The you know the jets came in and and they were allowing about seventy nine yards per game on the ground by twelve minutes into the game. They were already allowing ninety nine. I mean the Ravens. Just put that blitzkrieg on them and they had no answers. And that's true for every team Andrea Andrea. Kramer talk to Greg Williams the jets defensive coordinator before the game and he just said. There's no way to prepare for Jackson in the speed of this offense. You think trae convention had mentioned too that what you watch on tape. Is that unless you get to a point where teams played him three or four or five times the human beings on the field having to deal with his athleticism which is so different person than what you were watching on television. It's you're dealing with a completely different type of human being and essentially a different type of sport on some level level. Where they don't deal with this at all and it's it's a total blitzkrieg in shock and the way they line up like no other team with all those tight ends and you know forcing mismatches watches? We saw Neville Hewitt the poor jets linebacker picked on and coverage over and over again. I I think immediately of the Defensive Pass Pass interference where you've got a linebacker covering covering Hollywood Brown. The fastest player other than the more Jackson on the field. And that was you know a Gimme. Touchdown pass interference occurred in the end zone and you know a few more times throughout the game. It was Hewitt getting picked on markets may safety trying to cover one other water receivers. It was greg out there at some point he might have as good a chance of some these people. So yeah the Greg versus Hollywood Brown in a weight contest. That might be close. I'd want to see it So what else about this game mark. I thought that we did see the ravens struggle a little bit on special teams. Maybe there were special teams game of the year where they allowed some long returns. They had a punt blocked. Justin Tucker even missed. It's an extra point Dan. I'll be upset about that one I think he might be a little bit more upset about Sam Thick and at this point who. I'm not sure his employment in the world of football is going to be lasting much longer longer. We can't fault him for the one missed the one bad snap and and kind of a hold that made him miss the kick but I walked by the illustrious project pat at who he that's his nickname according to mark Ingram really yes. He seems to do something different. Every game plays fullback. Oh Pat Patrick Block. Some kicks quite the the guy. Yeah I thought for the jets that the Ravens got a lot of consistent third-down pressure on Sam Darnold and he was up to the task quite a bit. He he evaded pressure and still made some first downs. He had them on the move in the first half and for a while the the total yardage was pretty even it really was and they. They've not been a team team. They've been essentially defunct on third down the way bad teams are and at one point they converted. It wasn't all through the air five in a row and I just thought that darnold again they they hung around and on defense. James Burgess too big third down stops and Rose Marie exactly where you were just waiting for the jets is to get another score to pull it in but I just even so and it probably was a frustrating game for jet fans as most of these have been because you know that at some point that the Ravens are I'm GonNa hit it and explosive period again and then the score at the end showed that they just they just got super hot in the second. Half and Lamar Jackson through the air. And you know it's it's it we've talked talked about on our show. Have the ravens hit some sort of a slump or you know. Can they keep up their hot streak. You can see little moments where that questions relevant but unless less they have a terrible night like tonight on special teams that could've easily put another touchdown or two on the board here. They've been around. You know this as well as anyone for about twenty five years now and about twenty. Five percent of their forty point games in history have occurred this year. A quarter of their thirty forty point games. They have occurred with Lamar Jackson in one season. He's and out of those twenty five. That might be the most amazing stat out of all the amazing Lamar Jackson stats this year. Well their offense tilted and they in the end under Ozzie. newsome they struggle to find wide receivers and targets did tight ends and they certainly had nothing in the realm of quarterback like this. I want to know what the woman to your right thinks about this game. Oh my favorite part was my mom honestly. I had her come in there and watch the Erin Andrews pace with Lamar Jackson and Mark Ingram and just explaining like who he is. And we explain the whole Mike Vick record. And how all these quarterbacks were taken before him and then she just got so pumped up like it was just yeah. It was awesome some tweets and that was Hashtag road. Would you mind telling US give us a few just a few thoughts on it you can just you can free will at anything. You want to say well I just WANNA WANNA say that. Hey Lamar Jackson have my drilling going. I met this age now. I just don't want my drilling going book when my daughter described to me about Lamar Jackson is like I got to see him. She tell me. Where are we GONNA fly? Yes talking about getting our boss talking into our boss. I'm a I'm going to talk to your boss. Get Super Bowl tickets. I'll be that bold about it. Yes I say I would do anything to see the more Jackson. He was just that good. I mean he he goes out on and he just knows where he's throwing that ball and and he just knows where he's running and where he's going like he can see the whole field and that's how he played just yes. I'm just so amazed them mesmerized by him it's like he was awesome and the The turnover it's my favorite exchanges tonight. Rotas said alright. Ravens do some ghost place and he. What's IT ghost? Plane wrote a preceded delay. Exactly what play action pass means and yes and the more played them goes play so well I mean us. I'll be like okay. Where's the ball? I can see actually is like. He just has me so mesmerized. I can see just every little snapping any other time I play the game. I'm like where's the ball I. I don't know but hey he was really good and not just like the interceptor by number thirty six which the ball were ten to four brown eighty seven avenue and it was like wow look at these players I mean. Hey Hey you got me. I'M GONNA be watching you all the way through and you go all the way you know what I like that you oh you. You were able to ascertain things that people who don't watch football regularly would not have picked up immediately. You said what I love about this ravens team just from watching him one time time. Good teamwork there so supportive of each other. They're they are so enthusiastic for each other. And you see that with Ingram and Lamar Jackson anytime. They're interviewed they just have that Camaraderie and the whole city being swept into it like you know the first drive of the game. They're chanting MVP. Already because Lamar is marching down the field. It's like I'm a browns fan and they in the Ravens road. Hashtag road came from the Cleveland Browns. And that I did. I could not stand the concept of the Ravens for up until a couple months ago and I have a seven year old boy and he's watching the Mark Jackson and having the seven year old version of your reaction. I think he's making new fans at a people that would be disinterested otherwise. And and I'm trying to explain to my seven year old. Not Every quarterback looks like this in fact nobody does. This is a rare thing that you're watching right now so steelers fans talking about you know all can't help it like how can you not love Lamar like he just draws you in like he so exciting to watch kids can we. Can we get you wrote it to get on twitter and to get a twitter account because because you'd quickly at based on that speech have about fifty thousand followers. Oh well we can change. We can change post pictures of her but I knew if I the moral Jackson way he played never know. Hey days aerobraking just take it for right now. He's a mold tim but we never know. Know what the future may things are changing. You Know Mark Today on our preview pod. You said that Mike Tomlin is your NFL coach of the year. And you're not alone. There are a lot of people people would have him there. He'd be in my top three or four but John. Harbaugh is my coach of the year. In if I had to put it in the words when you tell people ahead of time in the off-season in the summertime look we're coming out of the bill walls Joe Montana West Coast offense era and the question is what comes next and he said will you're about to find out and the Ravens have put it on the NFL. We are finding out what comes next. John Harbaugh called has shot and then unleashed one of the youngest longest most revolutionary. MVP's this league has ever seen for that and for the way. His assistant coach Greg Roman and went wink. Martindale both up for assistant coach of the year. This coaching staff together gets my vote for. It's impossible to argue. That and and I think you can look at each of these candidates in a different way but in the year where the NFL went nuts. Over toward thirty-one-year-old offensive assistance. This is a this is a guy who was a special teams coordinator. Harbaugh Tomlin is a defensive coach by nature. Bill Belichick is still the best of all. He's defensive coach by nature wing. Martindale will probably get a job off of this. He raped Roman. And who went. Atypical with all the offense of passing craziness as much more run. Heavy by nature is the offensive side of the year. So no one again. When we're talking about this stuff up in May and June turned me off like three Po? I don't need to be part of this at this point so I think with Greg. Roman you're talking about. He is designed and called some of the best running quarterbacks seasons. We've seen with the early Colin Kaepernick years and now with the more Jackson. I think he has to get a job offer and I think wink Martindale should into the one thing about Greg. Roman it's like he's going to have to do this. It's happened when it's with quarterbacks of certain nature who are dangerous on the ground I don't know if you stick him with a thirty five year old pocket. Passer you know who was born in the early seventies something that you're going to get the same flashy attack. Yeah Yeah I wouldn't expect it. Maybe he's GonNa turn Blaine Gabbert into something wouldn't expect you never know they trust. Oh man was yelling big trust and there's so many converts in this House would yes no of course he. I think mark with a K.. As a more prominent figure at this point in terms of things. He's got a little bit more going on. That's tight man in the business as you know after the game and I thought he really put a bill on this game. He said he was talking about Lamar Jackson in story unfinished book yet to be written. They're talking talking about that. Super Bowl and wrote is going to be there but hooker by Crook No. Hey Lamar's GonNa bring it all the way all right the wake us up in Miami. Love it man this is. This is probably my favorite game of the year. Like I love watching with your mom. That was awesome. I'm serious hey mark has experienced it before you know we. We saw it when they iced young way. Cou they ice the kicker in that game and wrote a had never heard of talks about that she wants to do and she had never heard of icing the kicker and just found it patently unfair. We saw we saw bears packers we saw chiefs patriots creates if I'm not mistaken way back when and that was a shocker. So you know you're a good luck charm for good games. Yes and I hope to continue on. We're going to wrap it up for here a memorable game a memorable season for Lamar Jackson. Let's hope it continues because these ravens are fun to watch and they are getting everybody hyped and they are not going to be stopped. I predict predicted and Rhoda backs him up. It that's different West Manor on Sunday recapped
Raiders vs. Jets Preview
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The raiders headed into New York. Face adjusts who as we keep saying are not to look past. The raiders are Three Game Win Streak Right now through picking up their third win at home bagels last week before we get into everything here mice atr. Are you doing miles us. I'm Great Heidi. This is fun that we are in three different places right now. You being New York. I'm in Oakland. And Adam is in Las Las Vegas and yet through the magic of the Internet in editing. We are all together as one duty answer out. How are hey? I'm not even GonNa try the as always But now I'm actually at T.. Mobile arena right now getting already four Golden Knights and the sharks. So it'd be. It's a very busy sports weekend here in this first week here in Las Vegas in Oakland in the morning the day right. That was just like a day ago yes the day and would have seen more of the. UNLV game had there up in a travel. Woes of the awful weather here in Las Vegas. So if you guys are around the country listening Dory Vegas is not always perfect. It was a terrible day yesterday. I'm glad you are in good spirits today as we can tell and into the game breakdown. Further bands talk about with the raiders. Did last week against against the bengals. Were a team that I think we. All the raiders will blow cast a seventeen ten win still win in the books but we were talking about the things that the raiders can improve upon what they could have better in that game miles. You've looked at them practice every day this week. Workers you gather from their game planning At what direction are they heading like mentally as his team is preparing for the jets. So I think it's interesting first of all the fact that they did not perform. I think to to their standard against the Cincinnati bengals. It's not like I've seen you guys make a lot of excuses for that. I'm with these. The bengals were tough team. I think the bengals did some things things that were different. Based on the fact that they're playing You know guy like Derek Carr who's more of a stationary quarterback. Then you would have seen them playing somebody like Kylo Murray. Who is a mobile quarterback? Lamar Jackson is another guy. Who is a totally mobile quarterback? So you have to face Derek. Karna different way than you would face those guys so in now we gather Cincinnati. Bengals did some things differently they were able to get after Derek Carr. I thought pretty effectively the pocket and then you saw the raiders. Turn the ball over a couple of times then. I think we said it last week on this podcast. The wave that Cincinnati could have a chance to beat the raiders. would be if the raiders beat themselves if they turn turn the ball over and they did it twice in Cincinnati was able to take advantage of it now at the end of the game. Cincinnati couldn't really do anything. I mean you know it was one of the one of those late game situations nations. The past Bush was effective. They're able to get into the backfield and get to Ryan Finley whose name almost just escaped me there because really. He's as an anonymous quarterback. He's kind of that but I anyway. I think that the raiders now no like okay. They have to have their fundamental short up because they're going against the jets team. That is good forcing turnovers. They've still got one of the better running backs in the league and Levian Bell and they've taken it to some Opponents it's in the last couple of weeks where you could say that they're get right games right. I think from doing against dolphins in in doing the giants and beating the giants and then going against the Washington football team there and eating them as well. You can tell that the jets are on the right path in terms of getting things done now. They haven't been playing that great competition. But the raiders have to still take them seriously for this game so Adam we look at the jets defense miles. There are doing things against the round. They're greedy decent greedy staunch against holding losing closing running backs. Two hundred yards per game. So what do you mean about the jets grants as you look at Ben Against the raiders. The first thing you look at the jets I and I think the fact that they're they're a talented teams if they haven't showed it and the results are younger team That's still trying to improve and get better and certainly. They had a huge setback earlier in the season with saying you know Donald Coming Down with mono somehow as if he was some high school kid which was a weird situation in but he seems to be getting his strength back. I think it was part of when he came back. You're like wow you know. He's not playing well. I think a lot of that. You know illness supposedly Zaps you of your strength and you know it takes a while to get back into it. Feels like he's getting back there but You know defense as we mentioned is really where They succeed and you know I think lately lately it's been even better and Jamal does a big piece of that I think. The Raiders Game Plan based on talking to the guys. And you know kind of hearing them speak this week. the raiders scouting report for the jets. Defense has basically. They've got Jamal Adams and and I think he's gotTa circled and capital letters and everything else out there because of everything that he can do the namic of a playmaker he is how he can attack from so many different levels of the defense There's just so it's so difficult to prepare for guy that does so many things not only in the defensive backfield but also gets after the quarterback and Impacts plays in the running game and everything else that he does. He's a very tough to prepare for and That's GonNa be a huge focus uh-huh rigorous. Let's Talk Raiders Defense. Because this week backs crosby was named the defensive player of the reads where season big spark for this defense. As many of the rookies right now they did. Add a line back here as well Preston Brown of the bengals no less so miles. Miles what do you make of him was might read it achievable is he. Somebody that the raiders have to start right away now. I don't know that he'll start right away but I think the even the most interesting interesting thing that we've gotten out of Preston Brown is the nickname that he jones had together. Yes Adam knows where. I'm going with this so adamant talking to Jones on Wednesday afternoon after practice and so he said that actually in Buffalo. His locker used to be next to Preston Brown's locker and so they had this nickname he ends Zeh. And I believe you can understand. Were that is going right. Yes so I I asked Preston brought about this after Thursday's practice. And he said Yeah. You Know Zeta Jones's Mike Guy. We used to do all kinds of bunny stuff together like like pay pranks or whatever and he said that they did some videos with the for the bills website under the moniker. PB Zeh and I have not as of this recording had a chance wants to go google them myself and look what these videos were but yeah I would expect. It's interesting you know when John Broun was talking about merits of signing signing a guy like Preston Brown in the middle of the season one of the things he talked about was he's one of the he's got these characteristics that you like in the middle linebacker because he's charismatic. You can tell he loves football and he has the kind of ability where you believe he can call signals is basically what I was thinking that Jon Gruden met because he can get after things and you understand where his his charisma pumps from people are going to listen to him and just talking to him in the locker room. I feel that a little bit because he is that kind of guy where you know you come up to him because we're doing our first sort of media scrum with them shakes your hand. You make sure he introduces himself to you as you introduce yourself to him him and he's really willing to talk about things and and you know. I think that he could be a really good piece. For this raiders. Defense moving forward now how much that's going to be for this week against the jets. I'm not sure. He said that he's willing to play special teams to play whatever he has to in order to help the team win. But I think when you're a guy like Preston Brown you've just gotten there. It might take a week or two in order to really get comfortable enough to be on the field as a defensive player. So I guess we'll see okay as S. We look to the jets. Team in the raiders. Coming into New York City of we are going to break down everything that we think is going to happen the game. 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A principal our news writer Vinson Buzzing your data from saying that right you pleasure meeting my hat man yet. But you read about the importance of the raiders getting their penalties Under control so I mean as a right now. They're up there as far as the collected for game and is coming being a bit emmys about it before. He said a halloween it up but I mean sometimes you. It's called feel like a lot of them are actually good calls or is it like these past ones that we see sometimes aren't getting overturned. Turn those returns. What do you make of this penalty? Situation isn't on the raiders. Or is it a little bit about a lot of undisciplined flint. Plays I you know. I think there's time like Max Crosby to stick is like I'll get the tripping call against them that sticks out in my mind Do those things have happened. The raiders listening. They've been traditionally Going back years to you. Know the seventies when they're a great team When one of the most penalized teams in the league that's been there kind of their Their identity It's not really those same teams anymore. I think you certainly seen a lot of undisciplined. Play out there. And that's really not what Jon Gruden wants If they WANNA get away from it but It's something that's happening. It's happening too. Many times for the raiders in Games. it's been it's been and coffee at times and it's certainly something if they want to be playoff team and they believe that they are they're going to have to get under control The last week of the season 'cause they're gonNA come down to one or two plays here there and especially in the fourth quarter and if you're giving teams yards that's not conducive to winning games in this time of the Jon Jon Gruden sitting them down and saying look guys you got. Peanuts is sometimes a guy reading easy. Wants to see that dog guys but you how to get them to clean that miles. See think it's on route into really As in on some of these guys talking to the coordinators on Thursday I mean. They're they do have an emphasis on on seeing what the penalties are trying to coach them out of it. I mean particularly for the offense of talking about holds in different things like that a Greg Olsen. The offensive coordinator was saying saying that. One of the guys Having Their Buildings Jerry Austin and I think we've heard of him a because he used to work with Jon Gruden on Monday night. Football telecasts as one of the guys who talks about the officials right and then the other things we've heard about him talking about challenges But apparently awesome prepares a report on the different officials and the the different officiating crews and the types of penalties they call frequency in all these different types of things that the raiders have to look out for in a game to game basis. So that means that the raiders are really conscious of the kinds of penalties that are being called against them in. They're trying to improve ooh In terms of making sure that they don't commit them. But I think Greg Olsen said I think he's right about this you can really prevent is the pre-snap penalties. You can't have all starts you can't have illegal formations and things like that because those things are not really necessarily within the confines of a play sometimes things happen happened within a plate. You know you get a hold. Because you don't want your quarterback to get killed are on defense you hold because you don't want somebody to just run down the field and score touchdown. Those was things tend to happen but you can always control the pre snap penalties and so those are the kinds of things that they know. They have to eliminate all right. So let's look at the XS knows for the supplement game here with the jets. The rookies again. We keep talking about them for readers. Start to lead the NFL here with rookie touchdowns down to fifteen. The ARNISTON is up there as well as far as how many they're getting other teams in the the forty niners raiders will also these physicians here and really pushing forward with this youth movement social feet so in this game as we look at the jets. Obviously the defense is off base and you need to keep doing what they're doing. The offensive line has been doing a great job. aww keeping up rights and the running game something that always established soon. Is You have to look at all of the different movie pieces that need to come together. Hers Raiders is to win. Which one would you say that the meaningful acquaint right now? Getting this team to victory over the jets offered to believe always about the often bovine always about establishing the run and the raiders of have tried to set the tone and gave I running the ball and they've been able to run it effectively for the most part it's been what's opened the passing game. It's open plaques car's been accurate not spectacular. He's I think really good job. Managing Games US COMPLETING PASSES ON THIRD DOWN even if they're short of the stacy's At least trying to complete them off is what it is. I don't think you're GONNA see anything. That much different. Not going to be seeing them you know. Take a bunch of deep shots and trying to take the top off the defense because they they just moved the sticker efficient on offense and that's kind of what they are Defensively I think that one of the things they really have to do is focus on getting that run defense back because for so long in the season it was one of the better run defenses in the league and it was Kinda surprising because the how Dhamma Line the defense was was last year. And all of a sudden. You had this defensive stepping up the last few weeks. Everybody's fallen in love with the fact that the defensive line is getting home you know ten sacks from the last two weeks when thirteen off season this is great. I have a pass rush leading to force turnovers Because you know pressure on the quarterback you leads to things like interceptions and humbles and it's been great and everybody's in celebrating that but To me the issue the last couple of weeks has been while the divine has found a way to get pressure on quarterbacks. They have really declined in their in their run. Defense so We saw with Cincinnati last week. Who hasn't been able to run the ball all season long? Joe Mixing came. It is one of the least efficient running backs in the league And he was able to finally get going. And you've seen the last couple of weeks at the run defense kind of being vulnerable and susceptible and I think there's a lot to do with the focus that they've put on getting to the quarterback I think they need to find that balance of yes. You want to keep up the pressure you guys off the edge getting to the quarterback especially on I'm a third down passing situations but you can't completely sacrificed the run defense and I feel like to a certain extent that has happened a little bit. They've got more balanced defensible. Yeah I met with. Readers have gone down. There's something today. It said that on third down that they actually a ranked using police his Caridi third in the NFL round. They're presented so well there again. It would. Easy gives the keyed in a game for the raiders slum while I think they have to be able to run the ball effectively and that's not necessarily the easiest thing to do against the New York jets defense. That is their strength. I in the League. They're only allowing seventy nine yards on the ground per game. So if you're somebody like Jess Jacobs last week you get over a hundred yards against the thirty second ranked rush defense in the League. Now you gotta go travel and you have to play a defense that is. I'm so certain going to be sole loaded up to stop this rookie back. I know Greg Williams a little bit the defensive coordinator of the jets from the time that he spent coordinating. The rams defense in that is just Soo's personality. He loves to be aggressive. He loves to come out and make sure that if you can run the ball that's going to be priority aid to stop you from doing so so I I think that's going to be an interesting aspect of things. The other thing is in Adam. I think mission this earlier. Jamal Adams is one of the best safeties in the league. You look at what he did two weeks ago when he just took the ball out of Daniel Jones hands in Iran at twenty five yards in for a touchdown. That's not something that you usually see out of safeties and I. Actually you get a chance to speak with Foster Monroe who played his college ball at Lsu. SOTED Jamal Adams and we told me is that you know when you have a guy who just makes so many plays is all the time you it. Not One in college really stands out. But there's nothing that he's doing right now in this league that is surprising foster monroe so that could be an interesting match up at some point in the game. Those former college teammates going at it from a safety and a tight end standpoint. But you always have to know where Jamal Adams. This is at all times. Because of the way he can blitz as a safety. And that's one thing that all the offense players have to man said that all week long that they need to know Jamal Adams's and they have to be able to figure out how to diagnose what he's doing so that he doesn't ruin their day defense. Jamal Adams differently thrive into that for his defense base of something that regulations have switched over when the jets when he came here because before that they were running three four. So it's been kind of interesting interesting to see how this team is performing under his system. You had to take a sore and say that it is the final or the raiders versus. What are you waiting for this? Well I mean I think I gave away two weeks ago when I said they were going to beat the bengals and lose to the jets I have. I haven't changed item. I think this is as bad a spot as it possibly get through. I think the raiders are a better team than the jets. Yes of course I do this is you know you have to look at spots in the NFL. And I think this is a terrible one. While the chiefs are sitting around and waiting for the raiders to get there. The raiders. Raiders will probably be thinking about the already That is the game on tap down the road. You've got to be Jeff I and time and time again we again you you see the NFL that are looking ahead. Get caught up and You know this is not an easy way saying all the right things are saying. Hey we know they're playing hard we know they've got talent but it's one thing to say and it's another thing to go out and keep your focus in the spotlight. This and I just think this is a really really tough for them. I think they go in and I think they lose OFFIC jets twenty one seventy mirus. This was going to be tough. I don't think this is going to be an easy game. I do think the raiders are going to win. I just feel like it's going to take like a Daniel Carlson last-second field goal to win. It's all pick the raiders thirty to twenty seven. But but I just feel like the raiders are probably going to have a tough time stopping levy on bell. If you look at. What's happened in the last couple of weeks? In how the run defenses performed and I mean the jets are GonNa be fired up. I think this is a game where you you're feeling a little bit. Pretty good about yourself since you one last two and it doesn't matter who it is is in this league if you win two games in a row. That's something to write home about a little bit. So they're probably going to be feeling good about themselves. Sam darnold playing better. And they're going to give the raiders. Some problems look. They have to go cross country. It's going to be a ten. Am Body clock game yet. been on the road in three weeks and I know that the raiders are very well traveled in the Houston going on the road and Derek Carr said this week that guys were even looking forward to getting back on the road because have little games that they like to play on the plane things like that that they like to do on road trips trips and it helps them bond and all that great but I think this is GonNa be a tough game and I don't necessarily think it's because the raiders might be looking ahead to the Kansas City chiefs. I just think it's a tough off matchup for these guys where you're going up against the top rushing defense in the league in if the jets can stop the run. That's going to set up a lot of second long third along situations and the raiders have been a third in third down percentage as you mentioned earlier. Heidi because they have been in third and manageable situations. They've been in third Erdan four thousand three third one a lot. You know for them when they give it to Alec Angled all the time. I'll know that they're going to be able to get those kinds of situations in this game so that might make it tougher but that being said. I do think that they're going to be able to win this time. It's going to be the offense on the field for the last snap. Giving it to Carlsson and you'll knock one through the uprights bright's that's my prediction thirty. Twenty seven raiders. Kay I'm actually. Unity with the raiders. As well we'll be my final score and wanted to ask miles ease. The raiders are playing for the game as they're going game swoop item dear card and want to say you know maybe it's tiddly ranks. Maybe Gin rummy we can make this up. It'll be really. Some speculative reckless reporting all of it. Miko Twenty Four. Twenty one on raiders. ABC come down to the final drive yet again. On the raiders. Up with another one here on rain Johnson city will be the by. This is GonNa be really interesting. Baxter and as always you'll get information two years before that seat Ramallah ought to date on everything. Happening with the raiders in that matchup coming up. AFC arrest battle on the road. The raiders had into Arrowhead to face the constant he keeps after this jets game. But you want to catch up with us on Sunday night. You're recap from the Games. And every Friday has regained preview. And all of wedding action. Gotcha as well in the segment that reduce our sports betting Utah follow on twitter. Catch up with that out of the R. J. Miles at miles as Simmons and I'm Heidi Fangs. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Giants-Jets preview
"Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experienced feelings of dread about. NHL Free Agency have you or your family ever seen it New York rylander scheme. If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts Are Ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans Hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition Eh. Valentine's keys podcast here on big view radio part of your SP nation family of podcast. I'm your host Ed Valentine and we're coming to to you on Friday a date two days before your New York giants face. The New York jets at metlife stadium the giants. It's will oddly. Of course be the visiting team on Sunday in a game between two very much struggling franchises. This is in here to help us break down. What we're GONNA see talk about the New York jets? A little bit is McGregor wells. Deputy Manager for SB nations gangrene nation. McGregor thank you very much for taking a few minutes today. Oh It's always my pleasure. Thanks for having me on so you know we have two teams James here. You know neither neither team obviously having the this season that they wanted to have that they pictured that they thought they might might have your jets are one in seven coming off an unimaginable. I guess lost to Miami. Hi It's Jamie at this point. You know Miami which is trying to lose these days. Could you have imagined this season turning out at this point turning Out this badly for the jets. When the season started now? This is a big surprise. I mean there were always many skeptics. upticks of Adam gays head coach and what he was going to bring to the team. But I don't think anybody expected it to be this bad and you know I. Obviously it all started with the with the Sam Darnold you know with the Mono and and and all of that but since you mentioned Adam gays I think we have to talk about out gays in your mind. You know just knowing what you know at this point. Is there any way that Adam Gay schizo second season as jets head coach coach. Yes if it was me making the decision the answer would be now but not make the decision and the Johnsons have been Rather patient with the coaches over the years and I don't know that they want to fire their head coach a year after they brought him and basically gave him carte blanche with franchise. I mean once. They brought him in. He eventually undermined the old. GM might mcalinden then brought in essentially zone GM am and Joe Douglas and handed over the keys to the franchise to this man and I. I don't know if they want to undo that decision this quickly although although I I certainly would if it was my choice it just seems like it just seems like such a such an overreach by the jets to give Adam gays ace so much power. Considering that he was head coach in Miami but he really didn't do anything in Miami. I mean the the question is what on Earth did they see in Adam grace to to give him this kind of power I mean basically to hire his own. Gm You know a a guy who now has to. I guess you know if they were to move on turnaround fire him. Yeah the thing is with the jets. Technically Mickley the Joe. Douglas doesn't have the power to fire Adam Gates or vice versa. Every both of them report to the owner but Joe Douglas certainly at this point has has a better hand to pay. That I'm gays. Dodoko says a six year contract. He's not going anywhere so adam gays could be fired but it won't be by Joe. Douglas and what what what made the jets ever decide they were doing something like this. And the First Basin Give Adam Gates the keys to the kingdom is is somewhat of a mystery. I mean he I guess he must have had a good interview and then he had this whole thing. Where Peyton manning vouched for him Gave a call to to Chris Johnson than said look you. You need to hire this guy. This guy is great and I think Chris Johnson may have been a little starstruck starstruck at Peyton manning calling him And take give him the good word travelgate and I think that may have been a tipping point. I based on databases track record. It's it's hard to imagine why anyone would give him the power that they gave just man all right McGregor. Lets you know. The giants have their own coaching issues. At this point with the patch Shurmur. So let's let's actually Kinda get off the The head coaching Carousel here. For just a minute. Let's talk about Sam Darnold. I need to say this when when the two thousand eighteen draft came around the giants had the second overall pick I was a guy who was more or less banging the table for Sam Darnold. I thought the giants at that point. We're in. We're in the right position to go quarterback quarterback I thought darnold was was the guy in that draft class. Obviously the giants went to saquon Barkley and and no one's ever going to question Russian. You know the greatness of Barclay you know how wonderful of a player he is giants have got their guy now or the guy they hope is going to be there guy and Daniel Daniel Jones. Where are you guys at this? Point on Sam Darnold he. Obviously he had the the quote unquote unquote ghosts. Game Against New England which was not a good look for him. You know he's always Kinda GonNa follow him around but we're are you who and his development in what you think he can be. You know for the jets going forward. I think most jets fans are having trouble parsing. How much of his struggles are his own problems? How much are the head coaches problems? And how much are they. The lack of talent around him and the jets have been the jets are not a deep team and they had some decent talent on the front line but as soon as people started going down they were reduced adduced to really poor talent surrounding Sam Darnold and everyone even the guys who have some talent or having the worst years of career this year he just hasn't had any we support. The offensive line is probably the worst offensive line in in the league and in my experience having watched over many years. It's the worst I've ever seen It's just hard to really truly evaluate. How much of darnold struggles are his? When he's just he's not getting any support from any on the offense that being said he does make some questionable decisions that have to have to be corrected? No matter how poor your the protection as you have to know when to eat the ball. WanNa throw it away and right now. He's just doesn't do that. He gets under pressure just chucks the ball up and you know that has to be corrected to regardless of how bad the town around. Yeah the I happened to see. The was happened to be watching the game when he made the the really really really awful interception at the goal line in the Miami game and that as talented as as he is. You know that your local high school. JV quarterback makes that's right those kinds of decisions of the kind of citizens that are plaguing him right now and no matter and how bad the talent around him no matter how little time he has to throw he has to understand. You can make those kinds of decisions. Throw the ball away. Take the sack do not. I'm not having an interception at the goal line especially as bad as that was okay. There may be times when you're trying to fit so tight window and a guy that makes a play. That's fine but that wasn't the case that that was just a horrific decisions. You made all right so let me ask you about basically the former jet and a new member of the New York giants Leonard Williams. He's a guy that I think giants fans were buying large surprised to see Dave gettleman and make a move to add talent. You know at the trade deadline they were two and six at the time you know. They gave up a third round pick again in a conditional fifth which is going to become a fourth if and when the giants signed Williams to to an extension or a new contract in your remind what. What are the giants getting here? Well I mean let it away has been a player. That's always sort of been a bit of a disappointment because he was drafted so high and number six that year and he was drafted when he was drafted. Many people thought he was the best supplier out of that draft. And you know he's just never really he was a pro bowl made one pro bowl but he's never really reached the height people thought he would so the jets fans are somewhat disappointed. Ever really rush the passer as well as people had hoped puts pressure on the quarterback but rarely get sacks but Williams is a very good player. He's it's just not a great player and number six jets fans were hoping he would be a great player and he's just not that but he's a very very solid player very good around stuff he he does put pressure on. The quarterback. Just doesn't get sex. You got a good player. I was honestly the same as I was surprised at the the team. That would trade for him. We'll be the giants because you know there's going to be very expensive player for you. It's not going to be the case where you get picking up cheaper contract and the rebuilding along those lines. You're you're getting a very expensive fire. Next year he resigned him so I was surprised that would be the giants got but that being said you know for a third round pick you got a good pires. Here's the way I look at it. You know he probably is a better player than a third round pick. He probably is a better player than a fourth round. Pick yet but your cnet sort of. JV And clowney situation where it's going to be a really bad look for the giants if they don't resign him and I'm sure that Leonard Williams in his agent know that and they're gonNA hold the giants feet to the fire and get every last penny out of the giants and I and I don't blame them. I just hope opie winds up being a player. That's worth it. Yeah the the one thing I would say though is that if he doesn't resign with the giants I don't know what the giants ends caps situation is. So I'm not sure if this will work but if if you're not going to be signing of other expensive free agents next year and underway and walks then you will be getting probably around three sandwich pick with for for compensatory pick purposes so it may be that at the end of the day you don't give up much of you. Let him walk. But I don't know what your situation is if you're going to sign a lot of free agents and that won't work well you know we'll have to see. I know the giants have some some cap money. That will be available McGregor. Let's do this. Let me take a quick break for a word from our sponsors. We'll come back. We'll talk more about Jets giants. We'll talk talk a little bit more specifically about Sunday short. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk Mark and we're the hosts of the shutdown full. Cast your avengers of college. Football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean. Is this all already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable. Those pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like Mascot Scott fights announcers fleeing the early. And unfashionable. 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Obviously you know not act Not much on the line here in terms of Both teams are bad. A win isn't going to make either team really good But when you when you look at the jets do you guys still have some optimism for the second half of the season. You know D do You feel like you you should be better could be better you know and maybe a win could help you. Guys knew could help the jets at least end the season. Sort of feeling a little bit better. I think they're they're always when you get to this point in the season where you're out of the playoffs. I think there's always two camps one that says why not just lose the rest of here games they get the first pick of the draft and the other thing we don't want to ever goose. It's better to finished wrong. And you know establish a winning tradition for next year and I think with this team there are rock bottom line is jets have the easiest schedule in the NFL based on you know the records of all the teams remaining in the NFL for the remainder of the season. So you would think that even though the jets are obviously everyone else's easy game when their schedule that amongst amongst these many relatively not so good teams that somewhere online you could pick up a few wins but you know. I don't have any hope that this is going to be a big turnaround and suddenly rip off a five game winning streak and everything like that I think they may win. Game or two from here and maybe finish up three or four wins if you know if they turn around and things around a little bit but I don't have much hope that the debts have been devastated by injuries. And I just think this coach is is in over his head and I think the quarterback struggling too much to really get count him for doing much with those three things together and I just don't see much hope the justice here all right now. I hope you're not going to be offended by this but the giants are are you know. As far as I know. They opened as a two point favorite. I think there are still a couple point favorite on Sunday there. There seems to be this this feeling in giants land there too and seven lost five straight games. Couple of those games. To be honest they probably were in position to win and coaching decisions. Turnovers mistakes whatever you know. What have you? They didn't win those games. James there seems to be this feeling among a lot of giants fans and giants writers that you come into Sunday and you just can't lose to the New York jets. They're bad they're the jets. You just can't lose to the jets that that would be you know sort of the end of the world for the the giants from from the jets Fan perspective you. How do you guys look at at the outcome on Sunday? That was how we actually last week against. The dolphins will win. Listen to they beat the jets and any team from here on forward until the jets prove otherwise should look at it this way against Jeffs I mean we are the weak link against any team. There's a good argument to me. The jets of the worst team in the NFL right now. Now I know the bengals are still winless. But I'm not so sure they're not worth. They're not better than the jets. So yeah I think especially. Since it's a New York New York thing it would be any fan would be like. That's the one team. We cannot lose to the jets and I perfectly understand that I mean. Just look at this this also as a team that the jets may be able to get a win against the giants also are obviously struggling but from a giant standpoint. Yeah I think you've got to go one saying this is the one team we cannot lose so so I gotta ask you on on a lighthearted note are you. Are you rooting to see a cat on Sunday or not. Oh yeah you know the Kevin Harland call of that was just a credible. I WanNa hear that call again. We can get that on Sundays. Heck Yeah I WANNA see that that'd be inject some web to the situation. That was kind of a not very fun situation for the defence either team so far. So that'll be fun. Now that was the call was the best part of the whole deal. It was brilliant. It's really great all right so yeah so we'll see we'll see if we see another cat on on Sunday before I let you go. I forgot to ask you earlier so I need to ask you now. The what is going on with the jets and Jamal Adams I mean let me let me put it this way if you guys. Don't want Jamal Adams. The giants really really really could use a free safety. Because they're sort of playing with with ten and a half defenders right now with Antoine Buffet on the field. So if you guys don't want him you can glad we'll gladly let you just this ship into the locker room. Yeah he's he would be a little bit out of place as a free safety he really plays more in the box. And it's more pass rusher But he you know this this guy can can do that to you. Want to put him up for your safety do it. He's that good but Jamal Adams is seems to be somewhat disenchanted with jets. And why wouldn't you be. I mean the jets have won. I'm something four games. Five Games one game vast three years. It's guy comes from a very successful background. And he's one at every level when it comes to the jets and he thinks he's GonNa win again again they don't at all the worst human the league I mean at some point. You know it gets to people. And I think he's disenchanted with the franchise. I think he's like Oh. You know you you guys got to do a better job with coaching. You got to do a better job getting talent search around me. I mean I'm I'm a pro player here and you're not getting any help and I think there's a there's a reasonable chance to the jets will trade him in the off season because they revised they're not going to be able to keep him right now. Both sides are saying that's not going to happen. Both sides are saying no. We want to stay together. But you know we'll see we'll see how how sincere that this but yeah next player but I think there's a good chance just divorced worse happens over the offseason for some draft picks with which suggests desperately need all right Mcgregor last question for you and I mean if if you talk about bragging rights no matter who wins on Sunday. There's not a whole lot to brag about at this point but but which Fan dan base comes out of Sunday or which team comes out of. Sunday's game you know with with whatever bragging rights there might be. I can't ever pick the jets. The jets the jets are just. I really think that just may be the worst team in the NFL. And doesn't doesn't please me to say that. But yeah I would pick the giants but how much can you really brag that you beat the jets. The rights aren't worth a whole lot right now. All you know we we do. We do staff picks every week at at big blue view and and you have no idea how many times I've gone to make my pick in written a sentence in something like I'm sorry I simply cannot pick the New York giants to win. It's a rough time for New York. Sports I'll tell you I mean you know we we we got. We got the Knicks. You Know God knows God knows what else I mean you know an and I mean the the the mets are. The mets are a mess. You know and I'm a Yankee Fan so I can't feel too bad about the Yankees. He's but but still you know everybody else's water for still you've got. What is it like the first ever a ten year? Stretch in the franchise history where they haven't won a super bowl or the haven't won a world series. I mean come on you know nobody what a championships in New York for a long time. Now than the Canyon of heroes is a is a lonely place these days All right well we know that that the jets giants won't be having any parades real soon but will hope for a good game on Sunday McGregor. Thank you very much for joining us. Giants fans please remember to subscribe on all of your favorite podcast. Applications will talk to you soon. Bye Bye are you troubled by strange hockey trades rates of the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about NHL Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders
The Chris and Joe Show: Previewing the Jets
"Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experienced feelings of dread about NATO agency have you or your family ever seen it New York rylander scheme if the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts Are Ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York Islanders fans and you're listening thinks the person Joe show presented by SP nation and big blue view. I'm Jodi Leone as always joined by Chris Flom and likely due for the end of the week. We are GonNa be giving you our preview episode this time for a matchup with the in state rival New York jets who are currently one in seven on the season have have significantly underperformed to the expectations of many after they spent so much money in free agency in attempts to bring in Levy on bell. Cj Moseley just to name the two biggest players that they were able to haul but one in seven is not a record that many people would have expected for them creating a good opportunity opportunity for the giants to pick up their third win on the season and two stunt and kill a losing streak that has been continually dragging getting them down so as we do as always on these preview episode episodes we are going to be giving you the offensive and defensive game plan so to cap. Things isn't start things off here for the offensive game plan. When we're looking at this jets defense? They're very young in very talented but they have not been playing up to their full potential Chris coup or the big names that we need to be aware of this week. I'd say the two that just sleep off the page. Our Equipment Williams their first round draft. Pick this year and Jamal Adams Williams defensive tackle interior defensive. Linemen the athletic. He's capable of getting penetration and disrupting behind. The line of scrimmage and Jamal Adams is just the best safeties in the league. He's do do it all guy he can cover. He can play the run he can blitz. He is a really good player even if he's not particularly happy with jets management at the moment. This jets defense. Cents is developing and improving very similar to the giants unit. It's a shame that they haven't been able to be one of the top mark defenses especially when they do have cj EJ Moseley healthy expected that he will not be playing in this game but one of the things I noticed with this defense is that that they do make plays that. They're better than they appear. Sure but it seems at times that they're hung out to dry by the their offense because they're on the field so much because of the amount of turnovers that the jets offense offense are incurring and that there had that they're giving away the ball to the other team so they're constantly on the field. It's you can only really do so much that that is the case. That's kind of something we've seen with the giants defense. Just be a turnovers not being able to extend drives. It's really tough for a defense to play well. Under those conditions ultimately for that reason you shouldn't be too surprised if this jets defense plays better than they appear appear so and if if they come out and start the game off hop because they're underrated. They've been in a lot of sticky situations because of a lack of performance offensively. So so when we look at this this defensive unit that has has promise. Wh What do you think Chris or it's it's bigness big weaknesses. This is something we both brought up just talking before we went on air and that's their secondary in their corners in particular. Jamal Adams is a really good player. They have other players kind of scattered around their defense defense. I would say CJ Mosey but like you said he is injured. They've got Jordan Jenkins has kind of a demote all linebacker replaced so madge. He plays in space Salaam. They've got marcus may He's good but they're they don't really have anybody who can just match up in lockdown and opposing receiver or for tight end. Just they don't have anybody who's just really solid and dependable in. Just put them out there and forget about it on in in their pass coverage so that was probably their biggest weakness to me when I look at their corner depth chart. There's nobody on here. That scares me Darrell Roberts. Nate Hairston are listed acid- as their starting corners and if anything after looking at their previous games tape if I'm Daniel Jones. I'm drooling at this opportunity because last game against the Miami Dolphins a winless Miami Dolphins team that they lost to there were a number of plays. In man-on-man situations is that a subpar receiving group for the dolphins was able to get open and also make contested catches very very easily at times their corners just almost look like they were giving not full effort. There were times where I actually saw were. They could have made some plays and they almost elected not to not not sure their reasoning there but there are a lot of open opportunities that are going to arise this Sunday for the giants offense. It's really just a matter of how they're going take advantage it advantage of it. And if they choose to attack That specific unit the giants passing game in is going to be a little bit limited from what could be. We just found out today. evid Ingram is expected to miss the game with a mid foot sprain. Not Great injury definitely could be worse. Probably not going to be on the field Sunday. We we don't really know what Sterling Shepard status other than that other than he is back in the concussion protocol all which was a Saturday surprise but the giants do still have Golden Tate. They do still have cody latimer. They do still have dairy Slayton. They've got guys who you may not be able to really scare a great secondary but they should be able to have a nice day against the jets. You mentioned Evan. Ingram and also sterling shepard word not being available for this game Sterling Shepherd. Were still waiting to see if he can find his way out of concussion protocol which has not been able to do for a very long time but John was held out of practice today or on Wednesday rather and that is another hit that the giants could be taking especially because their offense of wind has been very very poor in as much as you and I would like to probably blame him for some of those poor performances because of his lack of slide protection. It's still a missing piece is for them. So do you think that's really going to have any impact on the on the pass protection especially considering the jets have a decent defensive line in also Quinton McWilliams. Coming up the middle. You know I would kind of say. I don't expect to have a whole lot of impact Spencer. Poli is not a great center. I don't know that he really is any kind of improvement over her lobby. Oh He is more experienced he must be a little bit more mobile. So maybe that will help with slide protection. Maybe maybe that will help with picking up. Stunts twists blitzes. That sort of thing. But I'm just. I'm not sure. How much replacing one subpar center with another subpar center is really going to improve the giants pass protection and offensive line play hall? I was thinking the same thing that hoppy. Oh has has not been up to an expected standard so putting expensive pulling there might not really have that much of an adverse effect. So it's not to the extent of not having Evan Kevin Ingram. It's more of the extent of okay. We're just GONNA plug the next guy in. There shouldn't be too much of a a decrease in performance especially because Spencer. He has had a decent amount of game experience especially last season. Who so as we do all as always to wrap up the offensive game? Plan Chris. What needs to be the focus of the giants game plan on offense? You know I'm actually going to go ahead and say the giants need to not forget about and hit play action passes. We saw them be a little bit more creative against Dallas and it worked they did have some nice things. Things happen on offense not many but they did happen. I would like to see them. Use more play action the jets. Even though they don't get a whole lot of Zack's they do have a pretty good pass rush. ESPN has been charting Pass Rush Win Rate Nice tongue-twister through there that that needs an acronym or something but it must be even has been tracking it and the jets are actually eleven in the NFL. In terms the pass rush win rate. Did it end as we've seen the giants pass protection just is not consistent football. Outsiders has them at the Hasim down at. I believe twenty seconds in adjusted sack rate. They're giving up Saxon at a higher rate than they were last last year. So just using play action using that misdirection. That's a great way to slow down a pass rush and also hit. Those deep passes that the offense offense has just been lacking Another thing is worth building off of is the impact that Saquon Barkley is having in the receiving game. He said two who very good performances against the lines in the now the Dallas cowboys on Monday night. Football in the jets from what I saw on tape struggle. Lot At picking up received receiving backs coming out of the backfield stopping any yards after catch and to put some context on that James White when they played the Patriots had seven receptions for fifty nine yards and then the Leonard for net of all players who some would argue is the furthest thing from being a receiving back had seven receptions for sixty yards so guys are getting decent touches through the air coming out of the backfield and when you have a multidimensional running back who may not be dominating games tmz right now on the ground because of not being at one hundred percent he can still get you chunk yardage pickup first downs. If you scheme some opportunities Rudy's we saw it against Dallas when it worked when they schemed him a ball and a dump off pass stuff like that needs to be worked in more. Especially if. There's a chance that that Evan Ingram is not playing yes I agree completely saquon. Barkley is even if he is not one hundred percent he is still there most dangerous weapon. They need to give him the ball. They need to get him the ball in the best situations they can and just put him in position to use his athleticism. Even if it's a little bit diminished use it to create plays. Do whatever you can to get him in space because right now up the middle has not been available or open specifically a in their last game against the cowboys. The other thing that goes in line with that is we saw a lot more creativity in the play calling some reverses some read option. Things like that need to be continued and built upon. Does things work. Those helped the giants get first downs and get some chunk place. If if they're not able to get those big chunk plays from their normal play calling. They need to keep doing it. I think this is a perfect opportunity to use against a defense that is kind of on its heels Dell's yet the Germans might have to rely on those creative play calls to pick up yards and really pick them up kind of regularly because the one thing the jets a to do do well on defense is defend the run they allow the six fewest yards per game on the ground. Even fewer yards per game team than the cowboys do and the giants were basically completely unable to do anything in the running game against Dallas and since week week three the giants have only allowed. The giants have only been averaging two point nine yards per carry with their running backs. So if they we're going to just kind of pound the rock that just might not be there for them so they might have to get a little little unconventional to get yards on the ground to keep the chains moving to stay sorry just to keep the chains moving into stay on schedule on offense. Let's this might be one of their best opportunities to get back on their feet after an underwhelming performance on offense against the Dallas cowboys of next. We're going to talk about the defensive of game plan but before we do that we're going to take a very short commercial break. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and and we're the host of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean. Is this all already spoiled. Every Tuesday used as we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights writes announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants. 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I'm not even putting any I personally on that or being sarcastic when I say how bad this offense has been for the jets because they they are the worst team in the NFL in points yards pass yards and then their thirtieth in rush yards per game so statistically they're not moving the ball they're turning the ball over at a significant clip specifically because of Sam darnold willingness to throw the ball to the other team. Chris this jets offense as bad as it sounds is the way that I'm describing it if not far off. I don't think team mm-hmm is ever as good as they are in their best win and I don't think they're ever as bad as they are in their worst loss so we can probably throw their win against Dallas in their loss against Miami out the jets do have some weapons. Lebanon Bell is expected to play. He's dealing with knee and ankle injuries. But if he's on the field field you have to assume he's going to play and you have to assume he's going to be left bell. They've actually missing crowder. Who has hurt the China's before just as a quick shifty slot receiver ver- they've got Jamison crowder who has hurt the giants before just as a quick shifty slot receiver? They also have robby robby Anderson who can be had good deep threat. He is I receiver People should probably be talking about more and as inconsistent in turnover prone as Sam. darnold has been. I don't know that you can ever really count him out. And just say this is a Gimme because says he gives Kenya goal of really high level performances yet. They certainly are able of performing. We saw that against the Dallas cowboys. So the really shouldn't be any doubt in this jets offense. There shouldn't really be any Taking this game for granted did because anything can happen. Considering the amount of yards the giants defense is giving up two opposing offenses. I think that the one thing that is an issue with the jets jets team is their offensive line which has been really killing them. They tried to revamp in the off season by making you trade for Colegio semi. WHO's no longer with the team? After a huge controversy with an injury but they also brought in Kelvin Beecham and Ryan Kalil and just has not clicked it has not meshed has not all all worked out for them creating a lot of pressure for Sam darnold ultimately. It's just it's been killing their offense and keeping them from being able to move the ball so speaking of Sam Darnold. He turns the ball over a lot. He's had a ton of turnovers in the past few games one in particular against the Miami Dolphins in the red zone where he tossed the ball up willingly to an opposing player because he had pressured Dr bearing down on him. How do you think the giants can continue that trend? What you just said it? He had pressured bearing down on him. The jets have bad offensive line exploited that send fresher pressure with your front seven from three front four. If you can and user-owned blitzes stunts twists. Send extra rushers getting darnold face. Force him him to make bad decisions yet. All comes down to that. All of his major mistakes have come when he has an opposing player. Bearing down on him. This jets offensive line line not doing a thorough job of protecting him for many jets Fan Fan than I've heard the one thing that they continually gripe about is how much the O.. Line is killing darnold and how much they're essentially selling him out on every single passing. Play you almost when you watch the tape. You almost assume that he's going to get hit or touched or something. And and this is coming from the giants perspective that we have in which we're constantly negatively speaking about the giants offensive line. I don't even think it compares. I think that the jets that's offensive line is significantly worse than the giants situation right now But again for that very specific reason they can use that to create turnovers. There's we've seen pass rush capability. It's the strongest unit for this giants. Defense Lorenzo Carter Marcus. Golden even the big guys in the Middle Middle Dalvand Thomasson Moon Leonard Williams Dexter Lawrence all those guys get after the quarterback. They just seem to scheme some ways with some blitzes some other things. Yeah and then on the back end they they have to be sound. I talked about left Bell Robbie and robbing Anderson Jamison crowder then can't let these guys run free. Now we can have any coverage breakdowns or communication errors or just things like that which have plagued Egged the giants secondary and linebackers over the course of this year. If they can play sound football on the back end keeps the ball in darnold hands. Let the the pressure get to him and then exploited when he makes a mistake that is going to be very important for this giants defense. The final thing we wanted to discuss here though is that we we've seen a tendency for opposing offenses. That are doing very very bad. Having a get healthy game as we like to say here on the show where they get their feet underneath them and they go on a hot streak of the best example of that is the Minnesota Vikings they had a very rough start to the season especially kirk cousins and then finally after they played the giants he has a great game and now he's one of the hotter quarterbacks in the NFL so on that note how do they keep this game from being yet another. Get healthy game except this time for the jets. I would say just again again. Just try to be sound on the back end. The giants should have the advantage along the offensive line. There Defensive Front should be better than in the jets offensive line but they just can't have rookie mistakes. They can't have guys not knowing where they're supposed to be not knowing what coverage they're supposed be playing they can't let Enersen crowder any of those guys get three in gashed them for big gains. IF DONALD MAKES A risk risky pass if he tries to fit one into a tight window they have to knock it down they have to intercept it. I could see the jets coming in playing with some fire after losing to Miami like that because before that Miami was considered the worst team in the League the pretty much everyone assumed they were actively of Lee trying to lose and just tank the season go completely winless and then here come the Then hear the jets come in lose to them. They've been under fire all week. There are people calling for their coach to be fired. There are people questioning the players. I'm not sure how loud that will be in the locker room. But they have to at least be aware of it and it would not surprise me to see them. Come out in WanNa really stick it to the giants this and use this as a statement game. This is a game. The giants can't allow to be a trap game for them as much as a two in seven team can have a trap game. This can't be it going in line with that. Just matching their intensity if they do come out a hungry. The giants need to come out hungrier. They just need to have a strong mentality that they want to get a strong good win this weekend. Because it's really a matter of who comes out ready to play. I just like you said who comes out firing if the giants of the team that's firing first. They'll have the upper hand to finish things off though Chris. What do you think needs to be the focus for the giants defense of Game Plan? I think we've been saying it all the time since the commercial break just for Sam Darnold to do everything. Put the game on his right arm and I him to beat you and if he if you can do that he will probably make a mistake and as I say this I realize this is probably also the game plan. People are coming up with for the giants but just play sound football. Try to force Sam Darnold to beat you. Don't let him to creative input too much stress on the defense which he is capable of doing he is capable of running around and throwing really accurately from from just weird aces in positions in launch angles. So put the pressure on him explored their offensive line nine and try to exploit every opportunity you get on defense creating that opportunity to make darnold beat them all starts with choking out the run game. They cannot allow navy on Bell to get the same consistent opportunities. That Ezekiel Elliott had a week ago which was essentially allowing him to pick up five yard gains easily on first and second down. Giants need to come ready to stop the run that needs the first main priority. And maybe SAM darnold throws for over two hundred and fifty yards played better than he has been at least if he's throwing throwing the ball over thirty five times in this game you can expect him to have some turnovers. Make some mistakes the more times that the ball is in his hands. You can count on something going wrong wrong and something bad happening for him. All right folks. That's going to be it from us. Giving you the preview for the Sunday matchup against the New York jets make sure you subscribe rate and review and immediately after the game on Sunday on Sunday night. We'll be giving you a quick take reaction like we. I always do after the game. Victory also falls from Social Media Ad Biglou view at Jodi Leone D. e. l.. And also at Wrap Your K- I for Chris Every Day folks. Are you troubled by strange. Hockey traits of the middle of the night right do you experience feelings of dread about NHL Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen in New York islanders game if the answer is yes
The Ocho: Getting ready for the New York Jets
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It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for to the buffalo bills in the season opener since then he's been on the mend he practiced basically all week last week in preparation for the jets game against the coming out of the big apple on Tuesday morning really Sam Darnold who has missed every game except for the season opener was you know dealing with modern quite the difficulty against the Eagles but SAM darnold will be starting for the jets against the Dallas cowboys on Sunday afternoon this Sunday at about three o'clock central time Tony Romo Gymnast Tracy Wolfson on the CBS Call as we try to put last week behind the loss of the Green Bay packers that's episodes for you you get at the very least one per day to discuss all things America's team subscribe wherever you get your podcast apple devices Google play tune in it is Wednesday October ninth two thousand nineteen a very happy Hump Day from all of us here at the Ocho to you it is the middle of the week the Dallas cowboys take on the New York jets Cleo since I've never dealt with it myself you know when that came out by the way it was like a free pass for everyone in the world to talk about the Times that they had mono so I've never had lost and they've lost two games in a row but if you really truly actually believe that it is going to be difficult for the Dallas cowboys will be the New York jets you need to reevaluate the way looking at this I know you're mad I know you're frustrated but the cowboys are going to very easily beat the jets you can bank on that but the big news the vehicles and Adam in his infinite wisdom had had to play Luke Falk who had not gotten any reps as the starting quarterback last week and as a result had a six and a half point favorites so the Darnell news certainly bumps the jets up obviously he's a better quarterback than Luke Falk but I mean the jets are still really bad I mean there's look I had a lot of tweets come my way on Tuesday when talking about the big news when it comes to New York jets to get to in a second but a lot of tweets now and if you have I hope it wasn't too artists for you but Sam Darnold has again only played in one game this season it was a loss every game for the jets has been a loss Australian get it to you you can always email rj dot o.. Showa at explanation dot com it is the middle of the week as mentioned which means we're kind of looking forward now not so by the way if that happened if Tyron Smith truly was healthy enough to return this Sunday against the jets that would be three pretty impressive comebacks for cowboys players could go and you know there's takeout there because we'll see if tyron Smith is even able to go first of all that would be a really great comeback of the variety of man I dunno I dunno if the cowboys can beat the jets and you know I'll I'll be shocked at the college beat the jets look I get it you're pissed off their cowboys no reason to be nervous or skeptical or scared or experience any level of trepidation the cowboys are going to handle the jets or the Sam Donald is there or not now the jets be trusted honestly this medical staff is very good I mean these these are the same medical professionals who handle Jalen Smith if you really need an example of how trust whether they are Oprah's entity in partnership as always be nations blogging the boys dot Com Arjo economy of course from bb and from writer as you're humble host on the O. J. Much looking back and you know discussing what went wrong against Green Bay because the reality is the cowboys have to win on center to foreign to and I think that it's injury six awards came back really soon Michael Gallup came back really soon and that would be Taryn Smith but Lyle Collins might miss this game obviously he's got the MC L. Issue I've had a lot of discussions about that here on the voice podcast feed obviously talked about it here on the Ocho earlier this week we had an episode seven five Tuesday had an episode of losing the boys it's not a very good one and I mentioned this early on it's one of those it's going to stick in your craw for a while and then it's going to be around for a bit as you try to forget about it and CEO on Stitcher spotify you can ask Alexa there's no way that you can't get a subscription to the bottom of the West podcast if you needling hit me up in Wednesday today is that there I if practice back you know when Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones spoke earlier in the week they did kind of expressed some optimism that tyrant smits that he suffered against the packers and there is a take of the variety of we'll look man let's just let's just rest hiring in lisle you know it's it's that's the optimism to Jerry Jones is Ellen and and typically Jerry only says what he truly believes he's pretty honest when it comes to things the at full strength than they have been certainly and you consider the fact that they've already had their bye week as well I mean the jets in the middle of a really bad season but we're GONNA win they're going to get to foreign to in this time next year we're going to be talking about gigantic game at home against Philadelphia Eagles but obviously the cowboys have to get their first and this did move depending where you look when when lines opened up this week Ben Online had the cowboys is eight point favorites I I saw the cowboys as low as you want to I am I think in a lot of people thought that the cowboys were rushing Michael Gallup back last week when he returned against the packers again this is a medical staff that has earned uh-huh has talent I mean there are a lot of talented players on the jets but they're just so poorly run I mean we could be looking at a head coach and Jay Gruden gracious like that other than that though this does feel like an opportunity for the cowboys to sort of get right and you know I know that that will only further the narrative at the cow going to have an answer until there is one and unfortunately we have to wait at the very least and they're week while the cowboys you know get through the jets in order to play Philadelphia Eagles but this we have an episode of talking to star following this episode of the Ocho in your podcast feed by the way make sure you are subscribed to the bottom of the boys podcast feed or pumping out so many the jets team I don't think really present anything scary I mean they're they're certainly talent they I mean Sam darnold was talented Jamal Adams is really talented I mean you know open right now it's it's difficult to imagine that the jets would be near the top of the list I mean and the Redskins for that matter because people have tried to throw out that connection Washington redskins and Miami Dolphins they have two losses against the New Orleans Saints and Green Bay packers okay to play the tomato Ken jets and then what I mean then it will be time to take on than a normal college football we but I if I was Lincoln Riley and I could have theoretically NFL job. I wanted granted we don't know which ones will be close early kind of like the dolphins game it's ten to six exactly like Miami or something similar and people are freaking out this will be a nightmare Jagran he was already fired I head coach Adam Gates who only lasts one season with the jets and there's been a lot of top by the way this week about Lincoln Riley but I mean who knows but either way the jets are just so poorly run their offensive leisurely bad I know Levian Bell is really good and really talented certainly can change a game but still I mean this should be an easy win for the cowboys and I I wouldn't be shocked just the jets let's just restroom or get them you know we'll get him back for the Eagles Game Let's do that were focused on that and these are the same people by the way who are telling you that the cowboys might lose the jets so we'll see if tyrant is able to give it a go this Sunday against the jets again I I think that I think again I think he can because Hennessy sports experts will give you the info you need to make the right calls for your lineup no fake debates no politics just sports for real sports fans the best news of all it's free I mean free for a week or a month or if you have some special cable package it's totally completely free for everybody you don't even need made up trauma it's a bunch of hot takes from people who don't even believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but CBS sports H. Q. is here to change all that it's a network logging just sports for real sports fans just open the CBS sports APP and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone or at home on your apple TV Oku or fire TV it couldn't be easier download the CBS sports APP and wash CBS sports HQ Today always play really well when they play bad teams they struggle when they played good teams and that's you know right now it's hard to dispel that honestly I mean the cowboys are have three wins against the New York giants you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP but I don't think you play that game I don't think you risk it I don't think you roll those dice I mean you never know what can happen I think if Tyron Smith is how healthy enough to play I think the the cowboys offense and exactly how good they've been this season because there's something about them that I don't think it was a realizing that is very very very important that streams live twenty four seven in their coverage is just focused on the game they bring you the latest news highlights previews reactions to all the on field action on the road against the Philadelphia Eagles this is their first home game since that Monday night football game against the browns and I know that you know that feels like forever ago I I okay so promised some talk about the cowboys offense and you know this offense needs to return to form obviously against the jets but when you say that what is returned to form Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says you know a majority percentage chunk have you verbalize it of the yardage against the Green Bay packers came in garbage time came when the packers are backing off and in middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now Isan two hundred sixty four net yards that is the most that any Dallas cowboys team has ever had through a seasons NFL is for him seemed to be a little bit larger than they have been at any point I think a Lotta that probably has to do with the fact that this week is the red river shootout so Lincoln Riley his name is hotter I five games think about that the cowboys have two thousand two hundred sixty four net yards I'll say it again that is the most that any Dallas cowboys team has slated to be penalized for that in terms of evaluations but this is a team that is definitely capable of moving the ball I found that to be honestly just incredible sort of day on twitter because people are going to be ready to pounce on the cowboys if they don't jump out to a very quickly to go score and scoring score but I mean the jets are in front of you you can say that the cowboys should've on these last two games at the fact that they didn't says that they're not that great of a team I mean again I it's you know this is one of those things that gene they put up over five hundred yards of total offense against the Green Bay packers how can you return to form because that seems like pretty good form and you can certainly make the argument that before we get there though we're going to take a very quick break to hear word from our sponsors this episode is brought to you by CBS sports HQ so much of Sports TV Nowadays Philadelphia Eagles and time to really sort of prove themselves as they head into the bye week but I mean you you can slice different a million different ways you can say you can only net yards through the season's first five games now you don't win super bowls by having you know net yards in fact none of the teams listed here even won the Super Bowl for the Dallas Cowboys Donald and the rest of the New York jets teammates but you know that's neither here nor there look I know we said we weren't going to look back and I promise this isn't the effort of looking forward but we need to discuss what there's no correlation between that and winning super my point however that's five games that's five games we're not talking about one game or number three on this list and offensive team people remember very well the two thousand seven cowboys two thousand one hundred forty eight total net yards the first five games number fo I think this is a team that presents problems with the comments. They don't think this is a team that presents any sort of legitimate roadblock but it's an NFL team with NFL talent with a young talented quarterback. Yeah I mean that's five games and that includes a game against the New Orleans Saints for the cowboys were kind of flat offensively and so
Boomer & Gio Live from Jets Camp!
"<music> boomer and geo on the fan and c._b._s. Sports network live from the travelling investors bank studio boomer sizes and ati palmer and geo on the fan simulcasts across the country on c._b._s. Sports network good monday morning. We are live head jets camp in the forum park v. palatial atlantic health training center here in florin part that always makes boomer pissed because they didn't have a place. He's like this when he was playing. We're gonna talk to adam case. We're going to talk to sam darnold. We're gonna talk to ryan kalil. The new center who unretired you play with the jets. He's gonna gonna join us just a few minutes of course talk about the mets weekend against the nationals and had a sour ending but still had some of the most exciting moments at city field we have seen in a a number of years and a great performance a much needed great performance for masahiro tanaka against the blue jays yesterday cut morning boomer our you know what i'm doing great g._i. Joe and you're right when i come to this voice manages that gives me chills voices <hes> unbelievable what five heels out here just absolutely gorgeous and of course we always talk about the training facility in the fact that these guys really don't have to as anymore we heard on h._b._o. Hard knocks with jon gruden. You'd be incarcerated if he actually asked asked his players on the field with helmets and show the pads twice a day which is just so far in today's player but that's okay. This is a beautiful place but this reflects. I think is really what the n._f._l. Has grown into and how popular it is and and we saw that on thursday night with the opening of the preseason and everything else even though there was the hall of fame game it didn't really generate <hes> the buzz that thursday friday and saturday buzz throughout the n._f._l. And you start looking at some of these young players and they go out there and they get their first chance to show what they can do and i think daniel jones. It's basically captured everybody. Why like wow this kid is going to get you know got it and is going to be able to get it done and then of course sam darnold and here in the jets went right down the field and <hes> that was exactly what you were hoping for if you're a jet fan and then and then came the weekend the weekend a baseball and i have to tell you city feel was electric on actually she all three day every game yesterday was disappointing for sure but you know you never felt like they were out of it. You always felt like they come back and win. I had no reason to think otherwise when i've seen days so it's really great what's happening there. It was a little bit of a hiccup. Especially with edwin has and gazelle but i would say overall you know it just it lived up to the hype hype the way the mets won the two games on friday and saturday were just ridiculous and <hes> the way the fan base was ignited by it and it just goes to show you that if you win they will come and that goes for the jets that goes for the giants that goes for every team in this area that when your fan base is unleash when they see you playing good baseball as paul smart baseball and and coming up with clutch hits and pitching performances i i think that is what basically is driving all of this and <hes> you know the yankees have been doing it for years and now the mets at least have a little semblance of what it's like to be somewhat successful and now these three games with the atlanta braves as we'll tell us exactly who they are if they somehow can go down there and win two out of these three games that would be great now. They get smoked three games in a row or stephen. Matt skits lit up on the road because he's not pitching at home. Now you know we have a whole nother discussion point the august talking about so. Let's hope that this is not the pinnacle for the mets that <hes> that this is just a little bit of a blip in the radar. You're not gonna win every game we understand that but we just hope that this continues and that this good feeling around the team and this clutch hitting. That's that's what i would call. A clutch hitting around. This team is going to continue yeah well. The good thing is that most of the heavy lifting. They've done already what we didn't expect them to do. Launch themselves back into this race and do it with a winning streak and a stretch that it just we didn't see coming. That's over with so now. They're in it so you could survive a game like last night night. It's not like you're dropping to ten eleven games under five hundred like they were in june all right. You still won six out of seven on the home stand and it didn't work out for yesterday in an annoying way. <hes> bad defense and bad bullpen first time was just a an unmitigated disaster and you got your race on the mound. You're figuring okay. We're going to get out of this right and then all of a sudden. It's the keystone mets throwing the ball all over the place but jake settled down and you know he didn't give you what i we were all hoping we're hoping for like a tanaka game sure liked to have seen jake degrom. Do exactly what tanaka did yes sir especially with the the yankees have in a doubleheader today against the woeful orioles so here comes the home runs again run barrage <hes> and they gotta take two from the orioles you know they. They're in this. I'm telling you they're in this fight with the dodgers and they're in this fight with the astros for best best record and you know you do not want to take any of the stuff for granted and the goodness you know <hes> sanchez goes yard over the weekend you got gleyber torres back in line line up our show it continues to rake and play unbelievable defense and the tanaka performance from me yesterday that that really truly was boy he needed not not just the day needed because they had the the double header trae but he needed it personally i think and i think he had to go out there and he probably could have went out and got the ninth inning. I betcha sure <hes> and i would imagine he would probably have wanted to do that but this is why you have a closer and that bat between guerrero and chapman it was amazing. It was amazing. It was just like right at the edgier seat watching that thing that kids got it. All man does but that was that was like that was an the epic battle because that's that's a game potential game winning at that right there. Yeah sure that's you nothing game this great game going on on a one nothing game in the american league and we see that the eggs are involved in it right which is really a unique and then all of a sudden it comes down to kind. I like that matchup between guerrero and chapman and have career catches one and hits a fair. That game is over. Yeah think about that no right but it was the two guys you wanted to see. <hes> really nice outings. You've got tanaka and chapman is the yankees they split the series so no harm done there with the another stretch against bad teams but there's one thing that i have to address. I've been asking met fans that you know. I respect and you're one of those guys will ask you this morning. Am i allowed back in because because there's a lot of met fans dan. I'm not allowed back. That's all i see. You don't deserve this team. You crush this team. I mean. I think that i should be allowed back. Check in now yeah when they're bad. I'm going to say that they're bad at all those things that we all said when they were bad were true at the time. It's how we say them though you know that that's the thing thing that's always the difference it's it's. They were the haitian meal delivery of the message. Put the isn't that supposed pageant with that. I think i think most of us kind of feel like you have been the beningo. Nuys d- beningo franken is yes. He is just totally overtaken you with your negatively activity and you have allowed him to affect you. It's not him. It's my teams man. If i rooted for different teams and i would be a fan who had more positively but i don't within eight we just went through this with the mets for back to back seasons. Just miserable years add another bad june. I thought the same thing was targeting about sort of fictional universe where we allow you back into it and all that stuff your fans you root away. You want to say oh you root. The way you want rushed rushed the mets just as bad as we just like. He crushed kenny atkinson last year the beginning gonna sit here and tell you that you need to be a fan dan in a certain way. I'm not gonna say ever since for me i bought. I don't worry about that. I just sit here and talk with you every day and it's it's a debate. Sometimes where i think you get a little bit. You know to negative to negative but that's okay. That's that's the way you wanna do it. I've been around a little bit longer than you about twitter's longer than you so i i have the experience as has to understand how things work a little bit differently than you do and i would say like i was saying last week. Expect him to do it but when i came in that sunday i told you after ahead of vacation. I came in that sunday morning or monday morning and they had traded for stroman. That's when i now all of a sudden i wouldn't completely one eighty well and i got all windu it in a flushing five and all that stuff and i still am i still i still still am in it but i think you know strom. It's got to be a little bit better. I thought you know he was really good. Good and then all of a sudden he just kinda like like something happened in the middle of the game where i think he got lost a little concentration there but he's got to be a little bit better jake. Jake has got to be better than he was yesterday. No earned runs but he's out. He's out in the fifth inning bullpen. That's a mess still so that's a problem. <hes> did you lugo getting the ninth on saturday. I did like laguna told me a lot about what mickey callaway thank god right what happened with the as yesterday but the other the other nice thing that happened in yesterday for me if tanakh is great for the yankees and what he did at that was eight innings. That's so that's a little different story. That's a little bit more than what. I'm going to tell you here but for me. I actually thought jerry's familiar looked did he did we don't why cause us drone strikes and the ball his ball moves. I don't care what anybody said. His ball moves like crazy and it looks like you had confidence if he can somehow get to be that picture that we saw yesterday more on a consistent basis then all of a sudden is one of those arms that we said like wow this is this is this is awesome so i i i would tell you this. I come out of this. <hes> this weekend with the nationals like man that that was awesome. That was awesome baseball. Every single game was great. Yesterday's game was great until you know. Diaz gives up a home run because i think you know if if they're down by one in the bottom of the ninth hype who knows right and you can happen with this team but <hes> keith hernandez said yesterday he's gary a great game. This is a great game or watching like you're damn straight we are. I mean how about those guys being out in left field and todd frazier hits the home run video of them like by the way harry coen looking at it. That way was awesome here. Here's one of the things i think really rub people the wrong way member. Oh you got on todd frazier todd frazier todd frazier remember that she was awful. I'm not saying he wasn't but again. I'm just saying it's the message and how you deliver them at always sucks. Get him outta here i wanted. I wanted him caulk bob glad he's wanted to. Why 'cause i wanna see more j._d. Davis and by the way seeing more j._d. Davis isn't a bad thing injuries happen and that thank god you got some depth right and your moment was on stroman was traded for my moment was friday night when michael conforto shirt ripped off by pete alonzo that seem in august august was as crazy of a regular role that i've ever seen <hes> especially in august. I mean think about it. When did you see that much passionate fire in august so we'll take a break because we've got ryan kalil who just retired <hes> coming back to play for the jets and he's gonna sit down with a couple of minutes right retired unretired and came back to play like he's going to sit down with a half million yeah. I don't think anybody wants anymore to play quarterback at least eight and a half million to something else.
It Just Keeps Getting Worse For The Jets
"From the the Investors Bank studio over Sizing Greg Jian Audie over g on the fan simulcasts across the country on. CBS Sports. That you're good Monday morning. We have seen some really really embarrassing slop here in New York football in the last couple of years. We've seen that Monday night. Game Jets Patriots thirty three nothing. We saw the mcadoo year where it seemed like the the giants had quit on their coach. They were guys that were quitting practice leaving practice. Not even trying to tackle anybody. Can I know there's a thing called hold recency bias. But I was thinking about this driving in yesterday's performance and it's not just because it just happened but yesterday's performance by by the New York jets trump's Adam Gates was asked if that was embarrassing. Goes this the NFL. He can't be embarrassed by this bleep. Well you should be embarrassed forest because that was absolutely authentic and unacceptable. You went down there with your reputation on the line and and lost to a team that has been trying to lows for the entire season. They have constructed a roster to try to lose. They have traded away every one of their good players coast to coast. Venue went down there as the coach that they fired the new team and lost to them and not only lost to them got pushed around by them and got beaten by them. That game was never for endowed. The New York jets are in a world of trouble. When I thought it couldn't get any worse it got fifty times worse? Good morning boomer boomer our you well. I'm better than the jets. That's for sure and you know I don't know what to tell you. I was afraid of this. You know we said on Friday if the jets lose this this game. I can't even imagine what Monday morning is going to be. Like kosher does not going to be pretty and nor should have pain and there are no excuses there are no silver linings. There is nothing into really grab hold of other than the fact that that you have a coach now that is in the crosshairs of its Fan Fan base. Worse than I've I've ever seen I mean I played for rich Kotite for a year and it wasn't that bad when I was here that year as it is right now dissing this singular moment. It might have been bad in year two but this for Adam its first year. It's ninety nine cents at the season and the quarterback makes another mind boggling decision and loses N. loses his concentration on on a snap in the end zone. And I mean things like this. Don't normally happen at teams like you. I see all the Games watching all the Games yesterday and the end of that first. Half of the jets jets in the dolphins was such a jet pipe of end of first half and especially with Ryan Fitzpatrick the former J. quarterback who fumbles on the goal line. I mean it was like not the the things that were going on there but this right now is for me watching that game. Yeah semi. What is the defense doing? While how so. They can't get off the field they they are just like giving them Ryan Fitzpatrick the ability to throw three touchdowns can't interception from a guy who throws more interceptions uh-huh anybody we don't maybe with the exception of Sam Darnold. I mean it was my mind. Boggling that the entire team you know after the first series the entire team like it was completely out of whack and out of sync then. There's this photo of Adam gays in the paper and you're seeing it online all over the place that he's sitting on the bench I by himself like well. He's going over his notes and all that other stuff I I understand that But when you see that photo you know that that photo just tells a story or it's like you don't even have to put a caption on it. s look at it. You're like is he not engaged with everybody. He has to be engaged now. Look I know. Every coach has their way of doing things and some things are a little bit different in abstract than other things. That other coaches may do. Coach ballot check stands there. He's got that pencil on his ear. Kind of Bad Patricia does. And he's writing down notes as the game is going on everybody's a little bit different different but but that photo combined with their record and their quarterback looking the way that he's looking in the way that he's playing says all you need to know just gio there are. There are no words that I can offer this morning to give any sort of comfort to the jet Fan. The one thing that I can say to the players is but it up shot it up and turn it off and get. Don't get yourself embroiled with any any sort of outside influences right now. Because I'm telling you all the sharks are circling man. It is it is it is it. This is where you I mean. Truly truly truly. This is where you find out whether or not your quarterback is the guy to lead you whether or not your coach is the guy to lead you and I think the fan base I would say ninety five percent of it has already decided that the coach is not the guy blame after yesterday. I don't blame them. I mean to have the week that you Had after the Patriots game then to go out and play the way you did against the Jaguars we fought and how we look yesterday terrible. Oh absolutely terrible now interests class night right not so good and then you go into this game. Where the Miami Dolphins you by the way have have traded away big time Minkah Fitzpatrick Ninety six yard? Interception return for a touchdown for the steelers yesterday. Kenyan drake on Thursday night over one hundred yards on the ground. He's catching passes all over the place. These are the guys that the dolphins traded Laremy Tunsil who is hurt but still. He's starting left tackle for a team that might go to the playoffs. These these are the players that the dolphins got rid of and for the jets to not rally around each other for Adam Gates not to put together a plan to beat beat eight team that is is trying to get the first overall pick is as bad as it gets in the NFL and that's not hyperbole. That's not being over the top that this is bad as it gets in the NFL. That is a team in the jets yesterday. That had no confidence in itself that that no had no leadership that had no Moxie or any sort of guts to come back in the game. That team right there. Adam cases and embarrassed the fan base. Who who has nothing to do with how they play on? The field is completely embarrassed by this and I kept saying that. I don't think he's going to get fired. Middle of the season I it's happened. I would be surprised by that but I mean one one and done is on the table. Now I know there. There are four coaches that have either left or have been fired in the middle title of their first season in the middle of their first season. And one of those coaches at left early. Was Lou Holtz. who left the jets early? Now Bobby Katrina left. Left the Falcons early right and then there's the guys that never even heard of that actually were fired by their respective teams in their first year. I'm just I'm just telling you that picture you know and again I remember when When Adam got hired here I just said good luck? Welcome to send them a Texas good luck. Welcome to the. You know the snake pit and I. I didn't realize that it was going to happen happen this early that it was going to feel this way this early but it really feels about as bad as it could feel coach and part of me. Part of me feels bad ad for them because I know how hard they work and how much time they put in. But I also know that there's a guy gets fired from Miami for whatever reason and there's immediately being interviewed and he sees an opportunity to go get another job so you know he is. He is part of the issue. You know he's the one who what was that like. They were calling him and saying. Hey we need you desperately you know. He called them today. We've got we give me an interview and he basically turned Christopher Johnson around in an interview. And that's that's wanted to now the the other the other question about all of this is that Christopher Johnson handled this. Now how does Woody Johnson. You know what kind of communication does he have with with Christopher Johnson over where they are not remember. They gave Joe Douglas a six year contract right and Joe. Douglas and Adam gays are friends and they thought that they'd be working together for many ears. Right so there's there's all of that issue to the other and the other thing and I know and I saw this out there as well and I and I would i. I WanNa say that I wanNA compare it to the situation but it looks a little bit worse than it ever did out in San Francisco. You know this is the way they call Shanahan and John Lynch sorted out there it was not pretty and people are out there. These guys were supposed close to churn this team right. Well I'll tell you the difference. The difference was that they had Tony Injuries. And they didn't have a quarterback and then Jimmy Garoppolo when they did have a quarterback they won. What the last? Five Games of the season that you're then. He came back and then he missed the entire year because injury and now he's come back healthy and they haven't lost the game. That's the difference. The difference zero at the jets thought they had the quarterback of the future. He's in his second year. He now has an offensive head coach. That was supposed to take him to the next level and he looks like the worst quarterback and football and that is including all these rookie quarterback that we have seen play guys that I never heard of even after the draft going in winning football games yesterday. I like the guy out in Denver. I mean to me Sam Darnold and the throws that he has made or the worst throws a starting quarterback you could put all the ones ones against the Patriots. The throw against Jacksonville rolled out to his left and the one yesterday where he claims he was throwing it away. That's even worse to me. Then he's trying to throw he on he can't even throw the ball away right. I know he's got a guy hanging off and I tell you I've I've I've experienced that believe me. I have experienced that. And I'm I'm sure a lot of other quarterbacks. He looks like the worst quarterback in the game especially WanNa snap goes past them and then as guard is yelling at them. Because you know you supposedly gave me the signal. I gave the center of the signal. And you're not ready for the ball and you're standing in the end zone. You know this is a twenty two year old kid again. I'm telling you he's a kid. He is finding out the hard knocks of what it means the plane the NFL. And he's finding it out for the worst possible franchise that a quarterback and get swallowed up in Mark Sanchez got swallowed up here. He's getting swallowed. AWW here at just getting uglier and uglier and you know he again. He's not he's not twenty nine he hasn't been through it. He hasn't played a lot of football. He should be better. He's coming off mononucleosis. He's got a bad thumb. He's missing a toenail. I mean there's a Lotta little crappy things that are happening with him but ultimately it comes down to the decision he makes and why in Games is it that he just Kinda has his dip in concentrated a major dip like where he just loses it. Yeah like annex. That's what I'm saying. So it's the you know he's got. I was talking to coach Cower about this yesterday as we were watching Sam in coach was telling me that when Ben came back from a big injury figure out what the android it might have been in. You know the car accident. It was yep he goes. Ben was playing football football a certain way and he didn't realize how he was playing the game. Captain Coward so I had to pull Ben into my office and we had to watch painfully painfully watch taped together and I was showing him the way he was playing to how he is now playing after the injury and you could see there was a distinct difference in the way that he's Fine Ryan he was planning to protect themselves after the injury. As opposed planned the game and being free and easy with you know with the way that he carried himself. I there's a there seems to be a little bit of that happening right now with Sam Darnold and the last three weeks you've seen up. You know the amazing thing is you can watch him the first series go right down the field who weeks in Rome boom boom boom and you know so you know it's there now you gotta wonder why why. Why is the mental dip happening in the game now? Four quarters so football is not easy for any player but for the quarterback. It's really tough. That's why you gotta stay on edge the entire game. You know when you watch Tom Brady and he gets pissed off on the sideline yelling at the people. I think he's more doing that too. Emotionally get himself back into the game and not take anything for granted and you always have to stay an edge. You know Peyton. Manning was always on edge even when he threw five interceptions in a game. He's still a screaming yelling people because he was trying to get himself into the game so sam to me. Hey just watching from the sideline has these mental dips in games that are unexplainable. Yeah and he has to figure out how to get over that and they have to teach them how to get over. That's the thing that's the scary part for the jets fan this morning. Is You tell a story of a guy who was just inducted into the steelers ring of honor a super bowl champion. One of the most well respected head coaches the last couple of decades being able to straighten out a future hall of fame quarterback. What you have here is a quarterback that we don't know if he can play any longer and a coach at no when all leaves well coach can coach help him get him out of there and right now I would say ninety five percent of the fan base one hundred hundred? Okay one confidence in that in that to happen day. Why would they give me a reason? Now I yeah we had we had been on the Adam Gay side with the higher. We had defended him through the entire Luke Falk experiment we were there saying. We were being rational national with it. At this point we were wrong and I cannot find a single shred of evidence to say that Adam gazes the right guy I to be able to turn this thing around now I really I'll say again and again because that's GonNa be a theme today because people are GonNa say fire today. I don't believe that will happen. But he for the rest of the year I believe now after. This performance is coaching for his job. Well yeah very very very much on the hot seat for a one and done on situation because of how bad this team is and you know why you know why why that is because the quarterbacks no no that yeah but but there's a bigger picture. Owner owners can count. They can count on the field so when you have too many men on the field. They're going to think that there's a problem with you. Coaching and two they can count the amount of people that are not buying season tickets. It's always about the financial pressure. It's always about how many people are showing up. How many people are complaining? WHO's giving their season tickets up? WHO's not buying season tickets? It all speaks to the owner. You know that that goes right to the Bank of the billionaires and that's what they can see that's what they know so you're the right. He is coaching for his immediate future. There is no question about it I know and and I think we really should allow fans to get it off their chest. Let them call and let ripping let him go. Because that's exactly what the team deserves right now and I'm deserves out. I mean I don't know how he was going to answer the questions that he was asked after yesterday's game that was going to pacify the vitriol. There's no way that you could say anything after that game other than take your medicine. Keep your mouth shut and you know I to me is watching Gemina because I wanted to see whether or not he was going to blow up after the game or not and he didn't and I give him credit for you know backing down a little bit and just taking the medicine and dealing with it because the other thing about all of this in the middle of the the whole Jamal Adams thing and Joe Douglas thing and all let's I'm sick and tired of players making it about them when they are a part of a team and there are fifty three players. There's there's probably twenty coaches there's the front office there's the held there's even the cooking crew over there the chef and the crew that make food every day for everybody over there Florin Park. That are all in this together. And there's one person that wants to separate themselves and say well I'm sick and tired of losing. How do you feel like your teammates teammates? I feel that way so I would just turn turn off the twitter. Turn off the INSTAGRAM. Turn off the social media. Don't look your phone. Thoughtless into your family. Don't listen to your friends friends and you know what the only you in that locker room that can change it and whether or not it can be changed. Only time will tell but right now right now this very moment and this may be worse than any point in time and the rich Kotite years because I think that those were the worst two years that the jet fans probably an expectation is too. That's the other part of it going into this year all the excitement and the jerseys and everything else and as we sit here in early November after the jets playing a games. They're at best at best. The second worst team in football and the only reason I say this because the Bengals won a game yet but the dolphins are better clearly at best. Ask the second worst team in football. We'll get plenty of your calls in this morning Jerry. RECCO data sound from after the game if you missed it boomer and Geo just getting started on this jets gets bloody Monday on the
Hour 2: Jets hire Adam Gase
"Spain and Fitz. Coaching changes everywhere. Some fan base is finally getting answers. But there's still a couple of fan bases out there trying to figure out what their future looks like Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty presented by progressive insurance. Sarahspain Jason Fitz, and we're gonna head. No, nope. We're still trying this. Gustavo? No, mama. Lot of Bonzo. No napoleon. No jefferson. Nope. Rudolph. Getting. So like, my Twitter wall is blowing up at this point as the world doesn't know my middle name. There's there are a few people that do, but but everybody's everybody's trying to find out. So, you know, just like everybody's trying to find out who the coach of the jets are, you know, everybody's trying to find out my middle name. So we'll go to the shell Pennzoil performance line. Dan, Graciano joins us, Dan. Do you want throw in a guess on my middle name that nobody can get before we get to coaching stuff? I. Well WALDO now I wish I wish it was that good. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have legally changed it if it was Dan Graziano ESPN and going. Yeah. I mean, I I'm getting rid of it. It's going away. So Dan, the jets we wanted to have you on to really break down some of the head coaching situation. So what's the latest on the jets head coach search right now? And I've been in my car for fifteen minutes. So I don't know what the latest is. It's moving its latest. I heard was could still be that rule could still be Mike McCarthy could still be Adam gays. I think the jets are sorting through it, honestly. And I don't think they've from what I understand come to a decision. You know, Twitter and see if Adam Schefter just going to fill with. I think a lot of teams have were sort of able to break down. What exactly is leading their decision making? I think with the jets at similar to autumn. Places. It's a desire to develop a young quarterback and make good on it. Yeah. Especially while that contract is still a rookie rookie year contract. Is there anything else? I mean to me it feels like the jets are one of those teams that need someone with a little swagger and confidence to deal with a a media market. Like that. You may be right. But yeah, your your first point looking around the league who's getting these jobs. It doesn't seem to be about that it seems to be about. Can you help my quarterback flourish be at a young guy like Baker Mayfield? Or Josh Rosen or an established guy who needs a rejuvenation like an Aaron Rodgers. So the jets are in a similar position to the cardinals. And the Browns where their priorities is going to be how can you get Sam darnold to operate us his best and developed in the most productive way? And I think that's where their focus is. And when you talk about these guys that we're listening. You know, Mike McCarthy has a history of it. But he's also got experiences head coach, which you think would separate him from these other candidates. But if that were the case, I think he'd probably have the job I now, and he. Doesn't. So Adam gates has a reputation as the guy worked well with quarterbacks did the time in Miami heard that reputation is he able to brush that off by saying Ryan tannehill was hurt. We really didn't get a good chance. Maybe. And then that rule see to me that rule, and I don't know if it'd be a good NFL head coach. But he's kinda like what I would look for because he he's like he's got a program builder resume, you know, he he did something at temple, and it was better when he left he's done something to bail with. It's better than when he got there. So you know to me that's what I'd be looking for. But it doesn't seem like NFL teams are looking for that. I think they're looking for the quarterback guy. And then they're going to figure out the rest who's gonna coach the defense, etc. Etc. We're talking to Dan Graziano ESPN NFL insider on the shell Pennzoil performance line Spain and fits sarahspain Jason Fitz, then you've mentioned Adam gays his name a couple of times. I mean, given what happened in in Miami? Why should he immediately get another opportunity right now? I don't know. But he is well regarded and he's a guy. The jets liked a couple of years ago when the dolphins fired him, and it's if you have an owner who you know, has been fixated on a guy and felt like he, you know, he tried to get him and couldn't then that that's not necessarily a sensibility that fades with time. You can talk yourself into. Oh, yeah. What happened in Miami? Was this this and this and it wasn't his fault. And we still think he's smart and guy that that will connect with our quarterback. So yeah, I mean on the face of it, you know, gases performance in Miami doesn't lend itself to you know. Yes, come get another job real quick. But I mean, you know, who's getting and again, no offensive guys are getting these jobs, but the qualification level is not quite as high as we've seen in other years. I mean, you know, Matt with Fleur could be very very good in Green Bay. But he had one year as an offensive coordinator cliff. Kingsbury could be very very good in Arizona, but he comes got fired by Texas type a month ago. Like, you know, people are getting rushed into these jobs. I mean gaze at least has. Three years of head coach experience. So there there's there's that. Talking to Dan Graziano at Spain and fit Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz. Let's go to the dolphins. Then we're Adam gays came from what are you hearing about that team? Dolphins have interviewed a lot of people including several people who whose teams are still playing Chris Rashard who's running defense in Dallas Bryant Florus. I think is a guy who's we've heard connected there. He's in New England. They're interviewing their own special teams coordinator Darren Rizzi this week, and he's a dark horse candidate that as the support of the players. So yeah, I think I would expect that to take a while if they're looking at guys whose teams are still going, you know, if the Cowboys lose on Saturday, and Chris Rashard is the dolphins guy. Then maybe they haven't announcement next week. You know, if same thing as the patriots lose, and Brian floors is their guy. But I think they're looking at some guys who seasons are still going on. So that's a situation that might drag on. Well, and Dan, I mean we hear so much about trying to fill these vacancies quickly. So you can get your entire coaching staff built is there some advantage to waiting and getting as many interviews with the guys that are still in the playoffs as possible. I mean, in general, I'm a guy that thinks there's there's some advantage to you know, waiting and being assured as possible for you make this monumental decision. Obviously that sensibilities not shared by a lot of the teams who are in a big big hurry to get this thing done. So they can put their staff together and get their off-season planned together. I mean, I I guess I kinda see that point. But I mean, it's a big deal. And if you're the kind of team that's changing head coaches every two or three years. I mean, those teams don't perform very well. So, you know, it seems to me teams should be looking and taking more time than they take rather than sort of rushing to get the guy that that they that they fix eight on after you know, a series of five hour interviews over the span of three days for example, Spain offense Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz. We are presented by progressive insurance. Dan, you know, the Bengals job on the one hand fits has made a good point in the past that you're probably not going to get fired because they don't actually care if you win. On the other hand you'd like to go somewhere where they care if you win. So what kind of candidate other than completely desperate one that just wants some reps as a head coach in the league is gonna is to want to take a job in cincy their unique situation. Cincinnati the operate totally differently from the other thirty one teams in a lot of Mike Brown. The owner, you know, runs the team makes the decisions, but he he doesn't want the public perception to be that he's making the decision. So you have to be a head coach who's okay with taking ownership of decisions that are yours and presenting it as the public face of the franchise Marvin Lewis, you know, did that he was he was good at that. And he was okay with that. You know, also, by the way, he got the Bengals in the playoffs. Five years in a row, which is an accomplishment unto itself given that that franchise's history. But you know, he lasted because he was sort of with their program and was going to do things the way they wanted. So. So the coach for the Bengals is going to have to be someone like that. That's why a lot of people around the league think it's going to be someone. They're familiar with. Although Marvin wasn't that. But that was sixteen years ago. So, you know, could it be Hugh Jackson, maybe, but I don't think so could it be Vance Joseph who had been there, and who has talked to them it's possible. I mean, he's a guy that knows their system. But can also be a like, you say a first timer who's not sure they're going to get another opportunity that signs off on the whole idea of here's how it works here. And you gotta be okay with that. If you want the job there, there are certainly guys who would jump at the opportunities only thirty two of these jobs. You hear that all the time? And there are people that would convince themselves if I don't take this one I may not get another offer. So let me take this one. And and do what I can try and be successful. They're follow him on Twitter at Dan Gazi, Yano ESPN, Dan is always we appreciate your insight next time. I I don't get to find out the middle name. What point in the show is that reveal? People are guessing, you know, you gotta you gotta make this thing. Like, you just give this up this prime information, and someone has to guess it or else it will not reveal is that we're. That's all remain a mystery forever. I'm just saying I'm in the process, legally changing it. So it is good. Good stuff. Dan. I mean, this is why you gotta listen to all three hours. I will do that. No, they say Spain. Visit. Yep. I got some more. Let me know if any of these are right angled Burt Marian Nancy Evelyn cleaner Eugene Claude Mortimer Filo longfellow. Peanut hissy there through stroke, Ronald Ruprecht, Lonnie, Harry rescue Corky, Fernando Reinhold, Jermaine Muriel Deloris Nova, those some of those are pretty awesome. Now, I'm thinking, I should I should adopt one of those instead of no middle name coming up the Broncos found their new head coach and it came at the expense. I'm so sorry of severs bears without the Denver next to talk to Jeff Legoland Spain infants Spain and Fitz and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz. You can tweet us on the one eight hundred five dot com Twitter feed at sarahspain that Jason Fitz at Spain and Fitz as the tweets continue to roll in with the world. Now trying to guess my middle name this show. Took a turn Sara Lee Kelly Niles, Stefan, Ricky Mozart Bano sunny, Nigel Marion, Cornelius. Deborah Garfunkel, Homer, Chester Ignatius, Malachi Humperdinck Rene. Mario no, no to all of those. But what is amazing is Sarah is ready to pounce with a list of them, by the way, if it was Mozart again, that'd be pretty bad. That's pretty like, I think I would just go by Lord knows the like a this is this is going to continue throughout the course. That was even anybody guesses it we're gonna head to the shell Pennzoil performance line. Jeff leg will joins us NFL nation. Broncos reporter, Jeff, you know, this is this is a strange day. Sarah's obviously a bears fan. And so it's tough for her losing Vic Fangio as he's the new head coach. But i'm. Raiders fan. A lifelong die hard. So tell me how much sleep should I be losing at this point for Vic Fangio head coach of the Denver Broncos law. There's no say they've they got what they wanted. They got they got Gary kubiak back on the coaching staff, and some fashion, and they have a Elway went into this with the idea that he wanted an experienced guy was one of the best at what he did on that on whatever side of the Bali worked on. And they think they have that in in Fangio. I mean, it's he's a rare case, I'm not sure in all my years covering the league that I've heard of a guy who went from twenty two years from his first head coaching interview to when he got a job finally. So it's he's he's almost universally respected. But he is waited a long time for this. And I think he was just the kind of guy then either he or month check where the kinds of people Elway. Went into this looking for. I feel happy for him. Despite my sadness about him leaving the bears when we when I was on around the horn today is a good year said he was surprised that Elway wouldn't give himself. A better fall guy by making the head coach and offense of guy quarterback guy to try to help fix. What's the most obvious problem on that team, which is the quarterback position? Are you also surprised that he decided to go defensive-minded for the head coach? You know, I'm not and just want to add. No, nobody's matter than my mom. Then that Fangio was let go. I got one eighty eight year old woman who's who spurious at the whole thing. But strong lady, I think the I think this is the profile. They like, you know, Gary kubiak was going to be on the staff in some fashion. And I'm not sure an offense of minded coach unless it was somebody who ran a similar offense or Gary had worked with would have an easy time with that, you know, that they made it very clear in all of the interviews that kubiak was going to be involved. And I think that's why they interviewed five people, and none of the five had ever been a fulltime play caller on offense. So I think they went into this with the framework, they believe in and and that's why you ended up with you know, a guy like a Vic Fangio on the job. And let's, you know, I think everyone's gotta be honest. I think it would be hard for a young. First time head coach with an offensive background to work for John Elway. I mean, that's an awfully big presence in the building that you would have to deal with along with having a job that for the first time we're talking to NFL nation Broncos reported Jeff Legua on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Spain and Fitz sarahspain Jason Fitz. You just mentioned John Elway given the lack of success trapping a quarterback specifically, given the fact that is another coach that's been hired on his watch. If this doesn't work is there finally heat on John Elway the GM. You know, there's I think there is now honestly locally. I mean, I think people are starting to ask questions about, you know, this is the the fourth head coach they've they've run through ofensive and defensive coordinators at least five or six of those, and you know, this will be the fourth consecutive year. They have a new offense in some fashion. So they've not been the beacon of stability that they've they sorta always prided themselves on and I think some of that is definitely on Elway's desk at the moment. And and the quarterback thing, you know, will not go away until there's a plan. I mean, you got here's a team case keenum as one year left on his contract. And they don't have a quarterback on the roster that they drafted. So I mean, they they are really almost ad, you know, square one as far as what's the planet quarter. Bac? And that's why I think be awfully hard for them. Not to use use the first or second round pick this year on a quarterback. Talking to Jeff Legua NFL nation Broncos reporter here on Spain. And fits, you know, everyone's going to focus on the quarterback issues and the offense, but defensively they're sort of at a crossroads as well. With some of their best players von Miller, Chris Harris potentially being on their way out. What do you make of where the defense? That's how much do you need to add to be competitive there. Think they like for the young guys they got in this year's draft. And I think they very much would like. You know after two two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen they lost their draft. Mo- Joe's at were. And they didn't they didn't do very, well, they got it back this year. They want another class like that. I think a lot of those you know, like corner they they need to address corner. And I think I inside linebackers going to be another position. They gotta get some help in the draft. So I think they're gonna go, you know, heavy in those middle later rounds on defense looking for the guys they want they'll stay three four with Fangio. So that will probably help them a little bit moving forward, but Miller is not going anywhere. And and Chris Harris junior would like to back. But I think they're going to have to, you know, pay him at some point. 'cause he he took one for the team when they were very good and took a friendly deal. And I think they owe him a little bit on the back end. Your you guys can follow him on Twitter at Jeff underscore leg. While jeff. As always we received time for all the updates. They take care, Sarah. It's a it's an interesting time because it is crazy to think Vic Fangio goes from just being a defensive coordinator. It's all of a sudden being a hot head coaching candidate after this one year at the bears, and it still my heart just hurts for you. Because we're watching this innovative defense. They're breaking down and telling us, it's incredible. And all of a sudden he got on. Yeah. I was you know, this kind of compounded with my sadness over the way the season ended was worry about this happening because it's so hard to replicate great defenses year after year. Even if the personnel remains mostly the same. And so the only hope is that the system is in place enough that you can bring someone in and kind of keep doing what he was doing. Keep a consistent such a great point about replicating just as Jacksonville team that a year ago right now, it was like, oh, they're going to be fine for years. So you just never know coming up Eric Reed and that saga got a little bit stranger today. In a surprising way. We'll tell you about it next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and there's always hanging out on the ESPN app birth Spain. And fits the battle between the league and Panthers safety. Eric read to strange twists today. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz, we'll go straight this from straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts. I was stunned to see the NFL and the NFL players association to people that are the two groups that let's face it aren't necessarily known for their Koumba young get along come out together. An issue a joint statement today regarding Panthers safety Eric Reed and his allegations. He was being tested more than he was there for performance in has and drugs than players other players in the league, the NFL and NFL PA come together. With the statement. That says quote, there is no evidence of targeting or any other impropriety with respect to his selection for testing. And now, we're finding that according to the report sources are saying the NFL in the NFL PA believed that they have they believe. That he was not tested as often as he has claimed that he was tested. This is the staggering moment for Iraq read when the league and the players association come together to dispute what he saying. Right. So he by the way, a reminder to those who might have forgotten. He's used his platform to protest racial, indus- Justice. He is a part of the lawsuit alleging collusion from teams on those against those who kneel during the national anthem and spoke up against police brutality. So he is a guy who perhaps feels as though he might have a bit of a target on him from the league. And that that might have been the reason for an unjust number seven times within three months at least. That's what he tweeted last month on social media that he'd been tested seven times over span of eleven weeks with the Panthers that it was a statistical impossibility and it's not as random as they claim. Now, if Reid exaggerated the number of times that he was tested whether via that social media posts or in interviews or to tell newspapers. And what we've all been discussing and arguing about over the last couple of weeks in terms of how unfair it is has been based on an inaccurate account of how many times it's been tested. It's a real problem because I think the boy who cried wolf issue will draw attention and support away from other issues that he has a very serious and fair and and backed up and dependable case to make against right. The the issues with the NFL in relation to other aspects are things that you can understand that people will support many people will support him on. Unfortunately, if if it feels like he's got a persecution complex, and he's making this up. It's going to affect how people view him another aspects. The only thing I'll say it's is that when the NFL tells us something about other players and other teams, we don't always take it. As fact, the NFL PA agreeing does make this seem like they would be on the side of read, and they would they would defend him. If they felt as though the NFL was not properly sharing information or was. Changing the count. So it feels like something to be believed. But why would Eric Reed say that when he knows that it's easy to track. They send a written noticed every time. They test them as long as he kept his receipts or took a photo or how to reason to have been counting. And how did it seven? Why would he lie? I mean, I don't know the answer to that. But as Dan Graziano, we talked earlier pointed out on Twitter the CBA predicting prohibits any anybody from commenting on specific player drug testing history. But in this situation, there's a provision allowing them to publicly dispute of false claim if one is made by or against a player, and so they're able to even comment on it because the claim has been deemed false, and it's difficult my mind because all of this comes from the NFL PA filing a grievance on his behalf. So it is I understand what you're saying. Why if you know they're going to investigate it? How you gonna lie about a record of it? Why? And why didn't they when they came out to say he did not get tested as many times as he said, why didn't they say it was five or it was four where it was six. Well, I don't know. And they they've offset lower that number is the more grievous his quote unquote lies, and if it's six instead of seven, and maybe it still doesn't seem that random anybody. I mean is that a big deal to you? If it's only one office. I mean, I think the hard part is when you go to social media and say tested for the seven time this year. Like that's horrid if it comes back this presume he's been right, right? Keeping tabs, right? But if you're the NFL, and you release the statement that says he exaggerated his claims, but you don't put a number to it. If that number is six instead of seven. To me. He's still got an argument to be made. That's strange the accurate, but well, and I guess that's where it really comes down to me. And we arguing schematics are. We are. We splitting hairs. I mean. Because you're right. Like, if if you saying seven, and it's six I don't know if that's as as great of a story now, they do come back. And also they stress in their statement that they have no control the league has no control over who's and no input into who's tested. It's completely random, and they apparently have an algorithm that goes through there's a one in however, many chance that you would be selected that many times. Now, a lot of people roll their eyes to that. Because it certainly feels like people get randomly air quotes tested after great things. Pat, McAfee the punter of former punter for the colts has talked about that numerous times if he had a great game. Suddenly a couple of days later Pam random testing, right? So how random it is already a conspiracy theory in and of itself, but I think if the league come out and said, we'd all be rolling our eyes to it. One hundred percent. It's the players association being involved in that feels very very strange that straight talk straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G L, T networks, Dan, Levitan covered this incredibly well earlier today on the lebatardshow checkout. What he said about this the NFL and NFL PA don't make joint statements like this where a players getting buried, and what's obvious in the statement because they have to talk around the drug confidentiality issues. What's obvious in the statement is they're saying his facts are wrong. And when you can pound on the facts, you pound on the facts, and now they leak because they can't because they cannot say things publicly in rapid Porteous. That's the talk to somebody. What's in the report? And now nobody's got their name on it. And now we're gonna violate the drug policy. Now, both of these things can be true. That's exactly what a smear campaign would look like against against somebody who was targeted where the NFL would would would get the NFL PA to endorse their positions. So we could just bury this player quietly. But it's. Also true. It can also be true. That reads got his facts wrong on this that he has exaggerated the number of times you tested because again, he feels at every turn in every corner not just in his huddle, not just in his locker room not just walking through any place in that league headquarters for the Commissioner anywhere in America. That black dude goes he's taking the black past with him. Strong words from from Dan Libertador earlier on the lebatardshow today. And I absolutely he's right. It can all be true. And it is possible to come in and feel like it's the seven time. And then you look back and they're like, man. So only the six there's only been out realize that people are going to react in a manner where they are. I mean. I mean. OPA's doing a full blown investigation. Right. So you presume that by sending them in to to try to figure out if there's funny business going on. You're going to present them with facts to say, why did this happen seven times when they come back with it didn't where's the proof? And how many was it? Well, let me ask you to. I mean, doesn't he have to speak quickly. Don't want me to hear from Eric read at Brian Lutely quickly. Here's a picture of every time. Here's every letter. They sent me and I wouldn't blame him if he wouldn't keep everyone at those. Right. You're gonna throw it in the garbage after you after you do it. But there's gotta be an explanation from him. As to why the numbers wouldn't add up. And I think it's got to be up front, and it's got to be quick. I mean the longer this goes on the more. We're all going to of roller is whenever this comes out. So your point, you know, when you think about the volume cried wolf, you know, the it's rare that the correction gets the coverage of the the initial statement does right. So whatever this is at this point. There's so much talk about it. I feel like we need to hear and I would expect we would hear air agreed has not been shy about using his his voice, right? So I feel like we're going to hear from read at some point quickly. The question is this going to be you know, what the tone of that is and what he says because a lot of how to your point not just what this issue is. But all issues around agreed will be judged as we find more information out about this that Spain visit and perhaps unfairly so because he might be more flippant about the details surrounding this because it's a frustration. Then he is about something bigger. But unfortunately, they'll get conflicted with each other, and it will be loss for him on all accounts of thousand percent, right. The ability of any I mean, we were talking to me earlier about the Twitter conversation. The ability of most people to separate one side from the other on this. I mean, that's just that's going to be impossible. So I would expect it we'll hear from Eric Reed soon. And hopefully, it makes some of this at some point make more sense coming up the warriors might not be as dominant as most thought, but they're about to add a huge piece a lot sooner than we thought. We'll talk about an ex pain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz Sarah Spain. Jason fitz. We'll get to some warriors warriors updates that are significant in just a moment. But Sarah, I yes, I think he'd guessing your middle name. Yes. Please. For those who don't know fits is legally changing or getting rid of his middle name. But he won't tell us. What it is. Here are some more guesses. Shirley perry. Mason MacIntosh Howard, David Jefferson Dudley. Stephen Beauregard Ernest, Sandra. Cornelius Bohm regard, Adolf gear mo-, Leslie, Maryland Jasper Pearl jewel Hansel Rupert gonzo Kermit Floyd Leonard Gertrude Bernard. Dick, Mitchell dean, Anthony, Fonzie Beaufort Gomer eager. No, no, one all those. But let me say if it was Kermit I'd probably also go by that. I would go by criminal fits, you are kind of a curvy Kermit the fizz. I mean urban Kermit. Oh, man. I crack myself. Start calling you curve that that's fair Kermit defeats the oh my God. I got nothing Spain and Fitz. The NBA round brought to you by autism. By the way you getting zone. Autozone. You guys can keep chiming in and guessing my middle name. Nobody's got into there yet. But Rudolph I wasn't no I will say this like since I'm legally changing it as soon as the documents are back like I can ever be called that again. Right. And it just won't matter because. No, no. But let me tell you Gruden. No. But if I could take McCain's. Man. It's you know, that that would only make it more painful every sense already painful enough for me every Sunday, Sarah. That's fine. It's painful so far this season for Golden State fans. I mean, it's just dumb. I can't even say that with a straight face. It's going as well for Golden State bans is they're used to. And you know, obviously, we keep looking at it. And we say, hey, don't worry about it. This team's just just disinterested. But that could change soon because Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr has confirmed DeMarcus cousins season debut will happen somewhere in the neighborhood of the January eighteenth game against the clippers syrup that's quicker than I expected to see boogie out on the court. And I think it's substantial it's significant not just because it means that they're going to have a little bit more time to get acclimated on what it means to have boogie in their offense and how they're going to run their offense with him in not just that. But also this team right now needs a big swift kick in the pants. And maybe having somebody joined the team that is hungry is exactly what they need. Yeah. We talked about this before the show because at first glance, I suppose, you could try to argue of probably fail that this would be bad for the warriors. You're introducing a brand new piece midway through the season. You're trying to get your existing pieces to gel, but when you've got someone as talented as DeMarcus cousins when you've got a team that's a little bit apathetic because it's year after year of a finals appearance and probably a ring and they're on their way to another getting a guy who's hungry for a win getting a guy who's hungry to prove that he belongs and that he can add something to a team. That's already got a ton of talent a guy on a one year. Mid level exception is probably making less than Stephen a Smith this year. Right. I mean, this guy who has something to prove and also probably itching to play after being out for a almost a full year now. So to me, this is a this is a massive plus for warriors team and. We've been talking about it since they acquired him, you know, this is going to be a team that's going to get midway through the season get significantly better when he gets healthy. But I think less so just because of the basketball side of things, but the attitude an, and, you know, there might be some drama, but maybe on a team like the warriors fits. It's actually a good thing to get people hated each other again because they need something to care about. I agree with you. And the other part of we have to remember what boogies like if you're DeMarcus cousins, you're not just out here to win a championship. You're out here to rebuild your reputation to get dirty dirty rich next year that means you gotta come in fired up from the get-go every single opportunity will matter for DeMarcus cousins right now the fact that he's going to get a couple of months to knock the rust off. They're going to get a couple of months to to get the offense figured out is gonna make them deadly in the playoffs, which we are expected. But the fact that he has so much to play for financially and reputation wise for next season. I think is every bit as important as the fact that he wants to win a champion. Ship. I mean, we're talking about Golden State like things are broken because they've been so stinking good right now. They're oh, God forbid, the ceilings falling. They're only the second best team in the west, you know, but, but when you get somebody on this fired up it's going to get a different level because he needs. He means it not just the championship. He needs the pedigree moments for the money. He wants to get paid in the summer. Yeah. One hundred percent like this is a this is a personal motivation. This is a team motivation. This is a breaking news. The jets have hired Adam gays. Adam gays. I mean, the jets have hired a guy. I think we need to put the mic on for the guys behind the board. A couple of more jets fans and here just the reaction in not using words. Just sounds what's going on back there guys. So this is a group of dudes that every commercial break are just talking our era off and screaming at the top of their lungs about how it's not Matt rule. But now that we actually have a hiring. It's okay. Okay. So give me Mike a resident or producer tonight. Resident jets fan? Mike. Give me give the world your reaction when you found out met rule was staying at Baylor. Now, let's flip that give me your reaction to get into hiring. Adam gates. That's a strange tone, Adam gazes, like Adam gays gets fired from Miami. So one man's trash is another instructor. Right. I mean, that's I mean, I'll tell you. This is a guy when he left the bears. I was very disappointed. He was respected, and you know, a hot commodity coming out of the bears and going to the dolphins. Obviously his tenure with the dolphins. Didn't get.
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I don't wanna talk to you today. Produces who have been very, very good to me. Got both this who have been very, very good to me. Got co workers, that I wanna talk to anybody. Godson. Deposes sitting right in front of me. I want to look at him. Ticked off. And so on forum on get up this morning with Mike Greenberg him and his Benedict Arnold, south. Walking around having shows on television in the morning actor like this, this is just a good data, just laughing. It's always a lab with the New York Knicks for non New York, Knicks pants. But Mike Greenberg with a good man thought he was a person that didn't like to what people suffer. Damn Pablo out there with Amani. They stand in the hallway Levin to me to this is not funny. It's not funny. This is a terrible terrible day about the rest of us. I don't know about the rest of us. But if you're a knick fan, this is the equivalent of being kidnapped stored in a basement being taught. And then they let you out when you have no use to anybody. Is your just Ted make this up? I'm telling you right now. I got an attitude, whatever body, every damn body, even that damn Spike Lee hurt in Philippines. He's lucky not New York City. If you on not a Knicks fan you make me sick. I don't like any years any use because every today is a laughing day Foley's. I mean. Number our, our goals are way that damn golick and WinCo on a radio sodas mortar. I mean, Trey wingo Golding calling me up. We just wanna make sure you're okay. Okay. You can pretend all you care about me. Adria woes arouse ultimate insider. You'll see look glee on his face. I know he's objective. I know he just giving you out the if the mission. But did he have to small space Nuno when he was giving us the news about the New York Knicks? And they're more Tatum deputy Commissioner buddy NBA. So I gotta add it to him too. What the hell is? He have to hold cards. I'm bedroom. Somebody else. I bet you Adam so was the one announcing pick the next had the number what over pick. I'm blaming Tatum too. I mean you can't get a break to save their damn lives. Can't catch a break. All your your gave us James Dolan, all of these years. We can't win basketball games. We can't be relevant riotous last twenty years. It was a patch Ewing. But Michael Jordan, kept standing in his way and Dave Checketts kept lying us making us believe we had a chance with Jordan where we knew. Well, we never had a chance before the act. You got the Trent Tucker's and Rory sparrows of the world. The two had Bernard king or even during that. New York won titles nineteen Seventy-three. I was five years old, five. I'm fifty one years old. It is forty six years in county that the New York Knicks haven't won a title. And guess what? Ladies and gentlemen, had a gone Zion Williamson via the number one overall pick last night. It a felt like a title, but we couldn't even get. I blame the Knicks organization to what the hell you bring Patrick you enough there for. He's not Dave butcher. God rest, his soul. If you could have deliver us a championship against Georgia. What else are we relieve? You're gonna live ping pong balls. I gotta attitude, whatever body. Everybody all you make these sick all us. Damn ESPN. Yes, I'm talking about my own network. And I say this respectfully you make me sick today. Why am I saying that because new you know what they did the New York Knicks had a fifty percent sixty percent chance of getting the number five overall pick? Okay. So usually you go to commercial. After the after the six pick to announce the final ESPN do that left eye with rain to Nichols. No, she did it. She didn't do it. You know what they did? What how and at Daegu Jay Bilas, my brother and Jay Williams there? This cheese steak this smile on his face season. Like George Foreman. All were sitting up there, laughing at us, Nick spans, Jay Williams, Jay Bilas, one time they had four Dookie up there, when Rachel they had Jay had Jay Bilas, Jay Williams, along with John J Barrett. Just laugh at chase it. So what happens? You sit up there and you go to commercial after the fifth pick, not before after the fifth pick is because ladies and gentlemen, understand the magnitude of the moment. What's the fifth pictures out and the New York Knicks got past that the New York Knicks were in the fall and the Lakers up against them then along with that New Orleans and Memphis sitting like, oh my God. This is it gonna put up there gonna pull it out. So special. I'm on a turnpike pull over to the rest. Stop. Because the ESPN app is the bomb. And I watching the ESPN app ESPN on ESPN app television on my phone and I watched it. They went to number four, Nuno, and the Lakers are number four God gonna do it. Do it special. This is why. All right here. The final three pigs. On the New Orleans pelicans, the Memphis quiz lease. And the New York Knicks for be for think that the NBA would be like, hey, I know we're global brand, but we only get bigger if New York gets lodge Foggia for me to think that Zion Williamson in New York City would have been a mega attraction for the NBA far be it for me to not be worried about a Memphis of Memphis quad does lucky to have have a team in it city that should be relocating to Seattle for be for me for the New Orleans pelicans that are run by football people or at least once upon a time they were and thinking that they're about to lose Anthony Davis. No, no, no, no, no. They could get a couple of picks. They could do something for beer for me not to be worried. This is the Knicks the Lakers are out of it. They got the number four overall pick the New York, Knicks only got Memphis and all these in his way it is a Fogle. Loser, ladies and gentlemen, that the New York Knicks. I'm going to get the number one pick just like they did in eighty five when it got patch, just like Cleveland in two thousand three when they got the homegrown product you list. Lebron from Akron, Ohio, y'all and conveniently the Cleveland Cavaliers got the broad James, why cannot sit up there and think that's I on. Although he's from South Carolina. The come the more key that he is that excuse me to a final four picks belong to the Lakers, the Knicks that he's gonna end up with one of them. But no, what does the NBA do? Gotta show us. No, rigging hair. We don't do that. And our pre sheet that. What if they'll ever Tom? I wanted something raked if there was ever a Tom. I think rigging would have been justified. If there was ever a time that I believed the hell parody. His medicine avenue. Everything they wouldn't do this desire. They wouldn't do this Nick's hands after all the NBA league offices, right over there, but Saint Patrick's cathedral, you can look right out the commission off the commissioners window in his office. You're right over the Saint Patrick's cathedral. They wouldn't. They wouldn't do this to New York. They wouldn't do this. And that damn Tatum that deputy Commissioner other National Basketball Association. A good man. Great man. Actually. I love the guy personally just not today not after what he did to me last night, not after what he did to New York fans everywhere when he pulled that envelope. And he opened at below and showed that the New York Knicks had the number three overall pick he ruined everything. Now. He's not a charge of the people on balls. I guess I don't know what the hell is or who is. And you got security firm guarding with secret service looking men all over the place. Look like a buffed up Abban Bomani Jones. Okay. I don't give them about that. We made it on. What the hell we get? Don't y'all understand doesn't matter, whether this Jared Kover doesn't matter, whether it's RJ bury, it doesn't matter what the Darius garland or anybody else. New York needed Siahaan. Because eve had Siahaan or you will going to maneuver, that to get your hands on Anthony Davis. And just like that. Up in smoke. Didn't happen not going to happen. And we are left to sit here for the next month and a half praying beyond prayer. Day. K D, kyri won't change them on, and that, they'll end up coming to New York 'cause laser gentleman that got news for you. It's all. Yeah. It's all we have. I can't put this. I cannot believe this. That the New York Knicks. Cannot catch a break. If there was ever a time that I thought James donors give up ownership, it would be now because this has nothing to do with him. But I'm just convinced that black cat running around the New York Knicks franchise. It's got to be because of Dolan and then to make bad. It's even worse. My colleague here, will Cain lawyer by profession. Trying to be a sports broadcast could look. That is good. But he's not meet we all know what time it is love you the truth. Here's the deal. We'll came for the first time today for the first time. In his soon-to-be lustrous, career because he's on the cover and actually ladies gentlemen. These actually is a very, very good guy. Very fond of will. Just don't tell them. I said, okay. We'll Cain actually got me this morning. No cowboy fan to stinking nauseating disgusting fan base, that is the Dallas Cowboys, nobody is ever got me on this. But when I said, the black cat will Cain came on television said that black cat. That's been running around franchise. And I said. He got me even before he finished his centers. What do I say about the Cowboys? The same thing that I would say in about the Knicks. The Cowboys thing. Actually caught me talking about the Knicks in the same breath. That's how low this day is. And it's just so sad. It's just so sad. Stephen Smith show. ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. Get your quarter. Progressive dot com today. Obviously, I was supposed to say it was time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless. What I had other things on my mind, fifteen minutes ago, I have other things on my mind right now. I'm so furious. Because that's all we need. See, Zion was coming to New York. Chances are those marquee guys that supposedly pledged to come to New York would be more interested in coming to New York people, my set up the debate and talk about well, I on necessarily been the right fit or his star as a rookie would have sort of stained them or take it away from the police. First of all, I on is a physical freak of nature, he special we get all that, but he's only around six five. Let's see what he does on the next level. Let's see. This is not about how good of a player he is or is not going to be, this is not about any of that, or whether or not the Knicks could get up the basketball is, which is why Sean foreign my pronounce his name, right. Do know 'cause I don't wanna miss Sean foreign them and I'm making. I'm just saying his name in a funny way because he got on my damn nerves this morning, along with greeny. But I love Sean, Sean does a great job offers. But he knows. He even admitted his wife told him he was a bit insensitive, because he was insensitive to me. No, compassion whatsoever. He's sitting there on the new talk about how RJ New York Knicks to lose last night. I mean in a really, really good position it got to number three overall pink get RJ us sell up. Stop it. Does not the time for that. If all you ladies out there. That's right. I'm gonna go across agendas agenda, by this way. I call the men out. I'm call you women out to let me tell y'all same right now? I'm going to be on these airwaves for the next hour and a half. And I demand that request. I demand that you show me sensitivity. Well, Transvaal wants rant saying from new addition, you need a man with sensitivity, well damage your family. It's me be sensitive today. Ramana man in your life. Tommy place for things this saying about whether or not New York Knicks end up finding a better player, this is about the fact as I on is box office, you need box office. Sizzle you need a reason for people to descend upon Madison Square Garden to be excited. About what's to come. And because that is not going to be case because the New York Knicks did not get the number one overall pick. We are stock waiting for the next six weeks hoping and praying beyond prayer. That Kadian kyri comes. Because here's the deal new no. Has anybody taken an opportunity to imagine what we're gonna feel like six weeks if we learn Kadian car, we have decided not to come after all, so you don't get Diane, you don't get K D And kyri. What are you have Kevin Knox? Mike Robinson Frank. Mila. Kena. And you draft RJ Barrett. Darius garlan? Jared Cova really. Not the poop on any of those players. They're going to be any that they're going to be good. But that's not what this is about. How the NBA allowed this to happen? How could he as p an assist? In all of this by going to commercial and teasing us. They went to commercial when we learned that the Knicks Lakers the grizzlies, and pelicans would have top four picks draft. They went to commercial. They teased us like television networks to. But in this particular instance, it was. Because the New York fourteen percent chance to get the number one overall pick. The pelicans was supposed to have a worse chance. The grizzlies were supposed to have a worse chance and they ended up moving up and not only moving up in the draft. But they ended up moving up to get the top two picks in NBA draft at the expense of the Knicks, and the Lakers, the two largest markets in the United States of America. Laser gentlemen. I'm here to tell you this, this right now. If there's any compromising of the ratings in the years to come in for the NBA, this is the moment happened. I know that in some people's is already took a little bit because LeBron James went out west so he wasn't on the east coast, and obviously because of that the ratings for the east coast games warrant, what they used to be. But let me tell you something right now. If you think it's a good thing for the league dead's Zion Williamson is in New Orleans, you should be drug tested. Ziya Webster said all the right things. But you could tell he won't be there. He was looking forward to coming to New York look forward to being there. It was one or two days, he was looking forward to come into New York or he was looking forward to being with LeBron LA John Moran. Same thing won't be a Memphis. I really don't know what to say. I got people texting me saying, we're so sad design. We let them down. How can we let him land in New Orleans? I'm happy for our gentry. I think he's a helluva coach. I'm happy for David Griffin man, I respect and I genuinely like and I think they've got the New Orleans pelicans headed in the right direction. And I think from a basketball standpoint, they'll be just fine. David Griffin will know what to do. But let's just say for the sake of argument Nuno, John Jonathan. Even Zion Williamson stays in Orleans, and wreaks havoc and all pelicans, go to the postseason. Do we really care? Really do. We really care. Let's call it. What it is y'all. Do we really this ain't drew Brees in the big easy? This basketball every Davis had them in the playoffs. They swept Poland last year before losing to go to State Warriors in the semi finals. Did we really care? I think he wants leave. And I told y'all at the beginning season what people were talking about Anthony Davis being the MVP Kenna. I said, there's no way in hell. The MVP of the NBA is coming from the smoothie king arena happening. No, no. That sounds that sounds like a like a green smoothie, drink that doesn't sound like a basketball arena. The smoothie king arena star star. That's where. On Wilson is going to be playing not the staple center. Square garden. Not even a United Center, he's going to be playing at the smoothie king arena. That's what the NBA allowed to happen last night. In its quest to be what they always are honest, and forthcoming and transparent when they should've rigged the damn thing that's right. I said it. So sad day. Said they New York knick fans everywhere. But he the reality. No one else is crying for us. Could they never gave a damn about us in the first place? And we just been reminded as to why that is. Straight talk wireless. Everything for less only at WalMart. By the way, my computer career friends. Let's talk about Chad last year when he was working two jobs, trying to make ends meet barely staying above water in February chat started is information technology career making more money doing something he loves though, love what you do. Go to my computer, career dot EDU and take the free career valuation today. You start your new life as an IT pro as little as four months classes meet on campus. All live on line two or three times a week. It's not rocket science. It's my computer career my computer career dot EDU. Graving even more of Stephen Hamill all people for around the clock. Access to the man, you can follow him on Twitter and Instagram at Stephen a Smith and Facebook at St.. Stephen Smith show. ESPN radio recognizes national military appreciation month. Brought to you by the naval Federal Credit Union, probably serving the armed forces, the DOD veterans, and their families for eighty years. Federally insured by the NC. You a laser gentlemen. I'm make a transition. I'll get back to NFL. I'm sorry, NBA draft lottery, talk and just a few minutes. I gotta via left for a few minutes because the National Football League had some news, the New York Jets have our relinquished Mike mechanics. They relieved Mike maccagnan of his GM duties, the interim GM for the moment is Adam gates new head coach for the New York Jets previously serving as they head coach in Miami over the last three years, I need explanations. I need somebody to make sense of this, and who better to call, then I resident NFL analysts extraordinaire doesn't outstanding job. On NFL live sportscenter as well during the regular season during football season period. And of course, he contributes to I take on a regular basis my buddy the one and only Ryan clock is on the line with us right now. What's going on big time? How are you? Man was it was going on in New York, y'all can't get the first pig? Fire is why you why you rubbing it why you rub it in. You're supposed to be. I knew you were going to go there. I knew you were gonna go there. Louisiana, native LS start LSU down. I see. To clog laughing at me about this. Let me get into the football stuff real Ryan Clark helped me off with second here. If you to New York Jets team, it's one thing to fire your GM. But after the draft after the draft, what is this about why did this happen? Now. It's actually hard to explain even because I don't really do fire him after the draft you fire him after him hiring Adam gates. You know, a lot of times if you weren't that fresh store you get an EEG of that. You gets an opportunity to bring in his own head coach. And you go to the draft that way, you've essentially, let this GM you. Let Mike McCain do everything that you wanted him to do in all season, and then you fire and honestly, even let's look at some of the things that he has done. He was smart enough to understand when Jamal Adams drops to you at number six, you're taking no matter what else is on the board. Because he's the best player available. He really gets out donor going into the draft. Any had rink and rated as the highest quarterback in the draft last year. And then you get quitting Williams was another guy was in talks about the best overall prospect in the draft sees motivity Levy, our. I mean my McCain has. Done in the mazing job this all season actually in the past few years. So the fire him now makes absolutely no sense. And now you leave the jets in a situation where Adam as a guy who actually fired and jettison out of the Miami Dolphins franchise is now you're acting GM. It's really puzzling to me, and it really looks like Christopher Johnson. It's kinda of went the team CEO or what he wants to do. That's the one biggest reason cultures because I know that you have some history with added gays him when he got hired by the New York Jets, and I had questions you came right on his radio show as sort of, you know, just just calmed, the waters, a little bit of what I was feeling the coach Miami for three years. He took them to the playoffs as I she didn't get did last two, obviously Ryan tannehill along with a few other injuries are really, really. Oh obliterated their chances of making the postseason last year. But he didn't overwhelm me wasn't a guy and deserve the head coaching job for the jets. But I didn't have a problem with it. But now that he's interim GM until you how highest. Somebody else doesn't that Rico situation where you're getting rid of mechanic because you want the guy that he might mean gays may want up in there. You know that that was actually my first star when it happened. And especially making a head coach your interim GM you know, usually you go with, you know, the, the rector of pro personnel, you go with somebody who has actually been in the scouting, office actually made roster moves. That's so to promote Adam gates, the guy who we've never talked about having this type of power guy. We never seen in this type of position. Here's what I'll say about it. Even though this is the most quiet time for GM, right? And a lot of restrooms aren't being made a lot of teams are, are full to capacity, as for who is who they're going to have an OT as who they're going to have many camp. So it's really a quiet time. You don't necessarily need a guy who is done that job. Now, you absolutely need. Someone who has some type of history. Some type of experience in it, by the time you start fall camp. Start making roster moves there. But for right now, it's okay for Adam gates to do it, but it definitely seems like okay if you're going to be the interim GM, if you're gonna fire might McCain at this time you want someone who could have a marriage between head coach and GM with Adam gates, but it's puzzling also because if my mechanic hired wouldn't you think they're ready had some type of relationship when you think they're already had some type of connection? So it almost makes you think that some things has gone on in the building since Adam gave has a ride that makes them thing that those to our match clock right here with Steven ESPN radio ESPN news. The other thing that's bothering me is that some do, Dan, you Jeremiah, is that the name Nuno. Daniel, Jeremiah works for the NFL network, a writer for NFL what have you. He's rumored to be in. In line for consideration for the GM job with the New York Jets, according to reports so here we have another analyst Ron. I'm wondering when you get a call. How about Louis about Louis Riddick about me on the basketball since we got says we got pundits commentators or information do showing up on editor subtly qualified for executive positions in the National Football League. Can you explain this new phenomenon with me? I may now insist guy. You also can't forget, John Lynch, that's right. The San Francisco forty he play play play play. You know, it's starting to become a situation to where it you're questioning what these people are looking at and also are things totally becoming about relationship and perception. Right. When I say relationships even a there's not going to people that call you because there won't be people that look like you making those decisions. That's right. Right. There will be people that called me because it's the same thing, but they have a, a comfort familiarity with these people. They feel they feel that they can get them into building, and they can have like mindset's like thoughts, so they bring 'em in. That's not gonna happen for us, right? We don't have the right paint job for that. And then when you when you look at a guy like day, I think he's been fine. You know, working for the NFL and they were actually think he does a good job. He does a good job. And I think he does a good job in TV were. We've actually. Back and forth in messages about certain prospects. I think he's really smart. But does that say he's qualified to do that job? Well, the other thing Ryan, I'll throw out this would you as a as a pundit commentator. And in my position hosting a radio show hosting a television show being an insider in the past, etc. Okay. Excuse me. When you hiring guys straight out of television, like the mailbox of the world, like the John Lynch, even though he played, it was in the booth after and if you're considering a Dan, you, Jeremiah as it were, and I'm certainly not accusing any of those individuals of any wrongdoing, and it's not their fault that they're being considering may ox case hired for these jobs. Please don't it's not casting any aspersions on them. But if you're coming from the TV world into those positions when you're disseminating information as a broadcast or pundit on the airwaves. How did you go about the business of ingratiating yourself, these people to the point where they would think to hire you an executive positions? Once they got head coaching jobs. You see where I'm going? You know, I think I think were in, you know, high works, you know what I mean? He's back, I scratch, and, and you definitely have to walk that line. You know, someone who does their job in the way that you do it, what I love about you is you have inside information, but you never give away your source, but you're very honest in critiquing everyone. That's right. It's never situation where anybody is a view saying, hey, I'm not I don't like what you've done here. This is not the way I would have gone about this. Which is why people follow you people watching because, you know they're gonna get the truth. I think a lot of guys understand in order to create these relationships. I can't say anything negative or I can't be opposed to what these people do or I'm going to feed them information when they need it, and that's the only way you can develop a relationship like that, to someone feels like okay. I can now bring you into the office because you are for me. Listen, there's nothing wrong with doing your job their way there many ways to do the job. And I think those are the ways that these. People find themselves in situations now to be hired doing jobs. They've actually never done Ryan clock. I appreciate your my man. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy. Schedule. I just needed some understanding as to why Adam gates would be an interim GM. And I'm not the damn coach. But that's just me the way. You go ahead got the is over champion. You know, they all along the eyes of a champion really hit the is or something else. Dan press conference needed to be checked that day. But anyway, listen last question real quick before I let you get on outta here. Will what do you think the jets are gonna do after all set and done with the moves like this being made? What do you expect from? I think the jets are set from a roster standpoint have players that they needed place, but they also have to get somebody in this position. And in this office continue to get those people develop an add onto the team around Sam Ryan, that they that data germ is that guy than good. But I think the team is set at least for this year. Mike McCain that actually did a good job Ryan clock. Appreciate you, man. But I really don't wanna talk to you anymore because you probably in Louisiana, and I'm not feeling good about that state right now. With from me. I'm not I'm not feeling good right now. We're gonna celebrate. Goodbye. Ryan clark. My brother right here. ESPN radio ESPN news internet, say, ESPN, eight seven to nine three seven seven six shoeless lobbyist. Even Smith show. ESPN radio ESPN news about away, people, I'm here to tell you about sell quick and easy way to receive money. Right from your banking app. Not sure what to get someone for their birthday. Graduation, our whole housewarming, sun, the money with Zell truly one size fits all present. 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I'll say that for another day, you have a wonderful day. Thank you so much. Karen, see, that's, that's the. That's love right? Did it makes me feel so good. You could erupted in, you know, you could, but you showed compassionate me see there's a beautiful thing I mean, now on this even let kids, 'cause he sure does. Because ladies out there that are sports fans that call into this show. Do you have to understand magnitude of what Karen, just did gentlemen, I have nothing have nowhere to go? I had to let will Cain get the best of me today and nothing to say because that black cat running around that franchise. It doesn't just apply to the Cowboys anymore. It applies to the Knicks which will k- pointed out, but Karen in Manhattan. God bless how wonderful soul Wisconsin enough to call up and say, even though I wanna get on you and I was calling gloat, I'm going to let it go love you girl don't even know you better love bash. Just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show. 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2001 Week 12: Patriots at Jets
"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead I am not your mother all right back all of you. Who are still with us after the bullshit. We've said for the first eleven weeks this is week. Twelve of the two thousand one in New England patriots season with a Pasco to travel to the meadowlands stadium back. Then I believe so face. The New York jets the seven and three AFC EAST CO LEADERS NEW YORK. Jets the past six five right behind them tie with the dolphins for the first news east. We've already talked about the jets back in week. Two not much to talk about really other than that. So it's Kinda give a bit of an update into how they're doing. So far Curtis Martin. There was a lot of talk about him in this game he has. They talked about his success. In how well he had played against Patriots and he had some quote about how he wished he could play them. Eight Games a year. I think the Patriots would disagree because the quote was in seven reunions against Patriots. Y- gained more than one hundred yards against them five times including one hundred six yards in ten to three jets victory earlier in the season and at this point he was right he was going to say. It's like seventeen yards away from one thousand yard season and this correct. Yeah Seventeen and which he would get in this game of course because it's curse mark against Patriots back and then that gave him a row right yeah for his first seven seasons in a row when he was one of only three guys to do it is Barry Sanders someone else Eric Dickerson. Yes thank you. Eat Meat Effect. Alex you guys to tighten up our our game but we actually have to get these statues right. I don't know I don't think so different but it doesn't feel right does it? Also I think we touched on the last time but the Patriots have lost the last four games against the jets now and seven of the eight seven of the last eight meetings so beating the jets. Not something that happens often. Probably most of that was usually because bill belichick was on the other side line and some other games. But it's not anymore but he I don't believe he. Yeah if they had lost the last four the jets up until this game to this is the first time of him beating the jets the Patriots coach historic way. Good away I know you just did you. Boys Not Watch the game the nano how this is going to end we gotta build up to it. My friends no no by park as I do and I want what's fair. I mean I guess we can gloss over the fact that some personnel did change in this game all right talking to Santana Moss actually became a little bit more involved this time around correct because he had been injured up until the week before he caught his first catch in this game wins first glorious originally yeah career and went for like thirty three yards etch. He cut the ball that that was pretty. Did he come off with it? Does yeah it does. Let's see all right. We'll just jump into the game Talk about this game of two halves. First half was the jets half second half was patriots. Half Steve. What do you think about this first half? Did you have any any jumped out at you? We'll set the stage. It was fifty three degrees in December. Sounds like global warming started early. Oh yeah now literally heartache yes the Patriots dynasties started global warming boy on our case. It's their fault. The earth is flat to swimming. All right we're gonNA talk about this. What do you guys think about all this stuff? No I mean if you watch after Dr. Their first like ten minutes of the game. Where Tyler slips gave up a touchdown jets come back and one at home crowd Israel into it down like ten. Nothing super early Thirty one hundred yards passing. They could stop them up the entire game right now. Oh minutes now what we're blowing through material here we talk about for the next. Three flicker on the second supply awesome. I play the game at the shot. They're coming out flinging it. Yeah because there weren't known. I mean vinny Testaverde quarterbacks not exactly known for Chuck in the ball down the field but I think at one point ahead like eight passes to runs or something like that. They were tilted heavily in at least in the first quarter and a half towards the passing game and they were slain all over the place. They were bombs and the whole like thirty eight doing this. I believe yeah so. We decided last news right around. There is definitely thirty. Eight said it so pretty impressive. Yeah me not a thirty eight year old. Tom Brady I. I was looking up. Testaverde's stats his. Nineteen eighty eight season. Is it draft by the box whenever shady? Oh Yeah on fifteen games. He had a forty seven percent. Completion percentage will thirty two hundred yards this team touchdowns in thirty five pigs who started every game next year. I mean I kind of sounds like Jameis Winston a little bit. It reminds two touchdowns trump. Nick believable yeah. When was he drafted? Craig eighty eighty seven. What what What rounds he drafted like. How high was drafted Moore? Use a stud at Miami right. Yeah you while. He was like really highly touted coming out of school but thank draft last city team so I think they just gave him like four five years to dislike. You can't lose your job type deal. Yeah L. E. Shitty was drafted first overall in the draft. And then he had like a ton of he never threw more touchdowns Vicks of the box got slightly better when he went to the browns. Any I'd like to Pro Bowl seasons in like twenty one seasons that he played woman. Baltimore which I don't even remember what his career yardage numbers are like top twenty ever ladies all play for the pats do. Yeah he always sucked. Yeah he sucked for a long time. I mean inside. I mean this solid mediocre and some of these seasons. It looks like three thousand. Thirty five hundred yards twentyish touchdown. Well all right seventeen touchdowns and he just played for ever is he. A bus. Does the first overall if you play twenty one years. No Terry one years can't be a bust but he's never he's never been good. He's a two time pro bowl of thank you very much. Never been good us. The JAMEIS Winston. That's what I'm saying minus the crab stealing social media back then. Big Testaverde's fan was that he's just the main so I had a question I'll take like I don't know what else to go with that. Of course he sucks can interview spell his name without looking. 'cause I try it every time and I get it wrong every time this test a green that so what is tested. Stand for statue. You're GONNA make something up about testicles. But all right check boy. He's checking that soccer about mean had head. Testaverde is greener anyplace by its wickedness. Serendipity that is right Mike Breaking new ground baffled by all of this but that right there is is something nobody's ever said about but he has already. I think Allie nasty boy quickly. It's Kinda like the first half did It went downhill very quickly. Because the defensive ends where basically doing whatever the fuck they wanted and it was a lot of talk about total yards. Yeah in in the half and there was a lot of talk about how. What's the Al Brady does? When he has the same sort of issues that drew bledsoe has talking about no offense of line no time to throw at no running game which was basically this game and now that was interesting too because I mean we've seen shades of it this during the season that Brady kind of like having Shitty game or whatever because of navy a little bit of pressure. This was definitely the first one. I think that every play was just getting hammered Oh Yeah so obviously. They change it up. The announcers were even talking about how Weiss was changing of the game plan that they were kind of doing the dinking dunking the slants. The screens That sort of thing do you think is. I don't remember ever really doing that. And I know he's not a finesse passer anyway but do you think that bledsoe would have been successful in that type of system. That's a good question. Never really seemed to be the strength of BLEDSOE's game a picture at least a few plays that I may have made up in my mind or that actually happens where he would Overthrow a guy in the flat or overthrow a screenplay. Just because he doesn't really have touch he's more of a gun at down the field. Sorta guy so but I don't know if that was just you know the offense was was tailored to that and so he was more background noise. Mcbrayer live in La. That'll get cut I don't know if like they tailored down the field offense because of true blood so and his strength was chuck it down the field or if they that's just how they did it so he played that game and like didn't have the opportunity to do more short stuff but I don't know I don't think he had the decision making either. He didn't seem that quick and that was always the the knock on him was that he would pass the ball three times and get sacked right. Wasn't that you'd be like in someone's arms and you just like throw the ball up right. That's true auto play. Read the defense. What is three steps? Yeah so yeah. I guess that makes sense. I mean starting quarterback for a long enough time that he probably would have come across a couple of screens. There's some short stuff it's true and I feel like we kind of Shit on Bledsoe a lot so I wish that I think. Will you detail just you literally just did but I think that I think that that part of it also made him less accessible to for a long time he kind of was for a long time? The only thing that the Patriots had and so we did have that drive to always try to finish a play. I guess for lack of a better way putting it which happened. Yeah and I think it always like that he he would try that an every play because he was kind of so maybe overwhelmed because he had no protection he had no weapons. He had no anything like just him the shot so I gotta get Gary Patterson Air Ga you think. Give them weapons and a good coach. You'll played great team. He's GonNa look out of his depth. I don't know if it's that big of swing. I think drew bledsoe had enough talent that he could still pull himself through some games but I think he had that mentality of always having to try and make something happen. That kind of led to a lot of bad decisions I think is what they think gunslinger. Yeah I guess unless you stop tougher than Gothic feel like at least standing there and take it. Yeah I think yeah and I don't think you ever really see bledsoe. Get as confused. As Goth does like often that super bowl against the Patriots. He had no idea what was going on. I don't know if that's just because that's how he was coached. And the coaching. Let them down. Or if he's just not a good decision maker but bledsoe I mean he would make stupid decisions but he would also perform kind of on his own to you know while I was just wondering does e hold the ball long enough to come off as not knowing what's going on because I mean he'd throw a pick before he analyzed it s very maybe just look at because he might all the ball on longer. I'm not sure I mean like. I said he did the interception Oprah his head toss once again. Yeah I mean com buck Lynch bledsoe because every time he draws back on third down you. Just tighten up just reflexively. He's a nice man okay and I think he makes good wine having tried it yet but the word on the street is makes good wine. Nice Man who? Maybe we should do an episode where we all or a bottle of wine drink it. We do the episode and we'll do a review of. Oh I got the perfect game. I'm doing the Cabernet. His first his first game when the place of the bills. That's that's a hell of an idea. I mean I think we yeah. I think that's a pretty good. Yeah right so we'll put that in the and the guys actually have to drink though because I want to commit and I don't WanNa come off stupid on here. God forbid cut forbid you gotTA reputation uphold. What's the bad news? One hundred doll- hundred dollars bottle. Andy or the ratings are going to be So we have to start patriotic. Get some or maybe a gofundme you people donate to us one hundred dollars a bottle. I'm fine with the cheapest one is I mean. That's a problem for him but I mean we are. Podcast is made money. Let's be real by the time we get to that bills game. We're all going to be rich and famous. So whenever idea are here we go here? We go what we're GONNA do is we're going to crowd fund this via the bills Mafia. 'cause if anybody one likes to raise money and to likes to drink is the bills Mafia. That's so this does seem like a good cause so we'll have to see if we can reach out to them. Yes so listen to this website here. The president and director of wine making it says is Josh mcdaniels. The Josh mcdaniels while a crazy coincidence. How many are there out there? Because Josh mcdaniels was part of the team here wasn't he was. What was he doing offensive assistant? Yeah Whoa Denise Star the QB coach. Do I have that wrong? Oh boy we gotta stack this two thousand and as a personnel assistant and then a defensive. Coaching assistant working with defensive backs and then he was in two thousand and four. Became quarterback coach does offer a little bit. But yeah he was on the team in two thousand and this is first season. I mean it was such a unique name like that. It can't be a different person I mean and they do have overlap. You would think it's the same. Is it different now? Just walk is by Foreign Raising Wall Walla. An early age fell in love with Wine Industry Washington State. For what an odd that that's all areas. It's a beautiful sewed. Drew Bledsoe knows in his work with two separate Josh mcdaniels. Yeah Wow and it worked out for him. Alendronate hundred eggs better through times. I know what my guess is linked in drama Moloch. Let's see if we can get some bottles. Donate a greg connecting with all right. The review will go a long way for them so I think what is it. Four bottles four hundred bucks. It's not bad. We have tens of listeners to I mean we have twenties of listeners. Time this one is released. We might have like all right all right all right. So here's the issue. I just went to how many of me dot com which you can search for people with Your first last name. Hope I've done this. There are a lot of Andrew. Browns just GONNA spoiler there are thirty. Eight thousand seventy five people in the United States. The first name Josh. There are eight thousand. Four hundred seventy seven people lesson mcdaniels. There is one person. There is one person in the United States named Josh mcdaniels. According to this website this is bullshit because we just determined that. There's tool yeah. My whole life was Oh holy. Wait a minute what if trust does from the Patriots is lying about his identity on the website. Maybe he changes name when he got married. Maybe I'll maybe he's embarrassed to deal with. I don't know man I'm now I'm confused so I'm just GonNa step away from this conversation. So are we thinking that there aren't four thousand five hundred sixty five? Andrew Browns in the United States is definitely way more one Josh. Didn't you say there's three thousand mcdaniels a eight thousand? Mcdonald's eighty four hundred. You know how many people are in the United States box. Thank you greg. How many so three hundred plus million merit? I have my doubts about this website. I think The real question. So what is your more? Andy Greg. Steve Brown's or you know some funny at the college is a kid degree below me. Gregory D Brown ship facebook friends. He's kind of little you. Do you WANNA put it out there and reach out to him like do have some beef or something that you want to squashing put out there right now now so I I set up a Google news alert for my name because you can search time would answer every week. I get a list of all the Andrew Browns in the news. There is a defensive Lineman for the bengals. Probably the most famous other than me around. Yeah Steve Yoyo Gas. Oh googling the name and remember. I found a lot of murderers and a lot of other styles name to Andy Brown. Yeah US browns. So yeah I think. There's a lot of southern Andy Brown set the bigger question trouble with the law. Whether I'm fascinated by is why you have Google or on your name because I wanna see how Google alerts worked. Thought it'd be funny because I've heard of people with like actual interesting names unlike show up on me and so there's a park named after me in Texas that I want to go visit. I learned things from it so I think it was a good investment. I have to say I haven't met a lot of Mike mellows out when I worked at movie scene. Put a flag on every single. Steve Brown's account and said I lived on St. Call me if he comes in. Steve Brown came into the movie. He was like forty five years old. But we had a nice chat about nicknames. Oh boy missing. All of these interactions name. I guess yeah the Brown and the Brown really gives you a head start of the last name. I Wa Joshua linked game requests big fan of the wind connect ooh. That's good ole. No no yeah doing the slow play like that. We're the weight D. Do you have the podcast in your Lincoln though? Okay so he can't he can't track back of course not or by the time this episode comes out. That's going to be the only thing on my Lincoln because I'll have been fired from my real job for spending so much time doing this all dude. Oh don't admit that argument that I'm loved and under Kelly's that'll be interesting better. How might yeah and I'm GonNa work taste regularly on Kelly's lived in his mind well log into zoom? That's right then and it was on wall being boy so happy accident Yeah I I think that will work out for the best for everybody involved including Kelly. We'll give her some of the wine if if we get some all right all right so speaking of The jets football game I first half bad second-half good So the Pasco into the half down thirteen nothing. And what did you say? They had sixty something yards of total offense until the yards. Yeah so not a lot but the To be fair though the defense did all. Okay against the jets. I mean considering they're slinging it and momentum early on the You know sometime before the house in the first quarter. They had a goal line. Stand so it could've been could've been down two touchdowns a real quick and they they stuff the offense of the one so that made it what they were down by ten. Sounds Pretty yes? Yeah that was the first quarter. Yeah Tedy Bruschi came in with the staff and the final one man. Yeah Him Brian Cox. It was curtis. Martin tried to jump over the pile. Just hit a brick wall of the two of them. Beautiful by. Yeah and yeah. This was Brian Cox's I came back from when he broke his leg in Denver. You know 'cause there was an article in the globe about how he recovered from a broken leg quicker than Terry Glenn recovered from his quote unquote hamstring injury. Hamstrings tough and I guess. More sneaky surprise season. What was your sneaky surprises him. Brian Cox Yeah Awesome. Did he plays. He's just a monster. Yeah he was He was screaming at the rest for something. I don't remember that on. It was like on the field goal. Tempt Yeah H is ahead. They like the jets. Were offsides fault. Yes all right and the rest call that and he was. I've yet to get pulled away from the referee so he wouldn't get another fifteen yard. Unsportsmanlike conduct like literally dragged away. Great Billy imagined. Miked up a bit amazing. Oh Man Well. I posted a link to the NFL. Prime-time highlight video mainly for Greg because he never watches the game But at the end of it they had an interview with him and he was basically saying. Yeah we actually played like Shit but we still beat the jets. So it'll be nice if it's nice that we can still like not play very good and and beat a team like this so I'm excited for when we actually play good now the whole interview. Isn't that word for word? I am pretty shelves verbatim. Oh boy my wasn't putting favorite quoted at what has it. Was Chris Berman. Obviously Primetime off. There is a point where the patch receiver Coleman caught it and he got so many items seen this. Many Coleman since L. Being put a single on those little little girl things. It wasn't as smooth as line but he got there by I missed. Nfl Primetime so badly so quick. I ever catch. He had to career hatred entire Kerr Dire. Nfl crew trout now. Who's one of the big catch? Recognize him not to open the second half. They're kind of a couple first downs and then hit him for the forty five yard all the way down. Yeah I yeah so this is the beginning of the the half path got the ball and went backwards immediately. I think it was like a robot stuffed and then Brady got sacked. New went three and out and they punted The punting in his game was horrendous. So Ken Walter managed to punt it to his own thirty five so just got the ball at the New England thirty five and then Variable picks off the bat and ball couple plays later and then those that big play Coleman his one of two ever catches which goes 35-yards. The pats I think like six or seven straight times before they did anything yes as a one two three four five six at least they punted around five. Most of them sucked one of the ones to win yard line so that was helpful. I think we talked about Tom. To what might we? We touched on that. Do not do a whole thing on him because the year before there's all kinds of stuff that ties into the dynasty but that's for another day maybe we'll do a punter episode just for Mike. Because I don't know if like Greg Remembers as well but there was a game against the past like before the season where he came in as a quarterback is lighten it up and there's a lot of things that are tired into that guy in that game your prior so then he got hurt clutch keyshawn Johnson. Yes pretty is also when he was a member of the Brownsville Bell checks browns. He was the first ever player to score two point conversion. Oh No shit. That's awesome. Yeah it was on a like a fake field goal attempt and he was the holder those at that Darna. He's A. He's a QUARTERBACK PUNTER COMBO. He was drafted by the cardinals as a quarterback and then they converted he punted in college converted into Punter and he was an all American unturned college as well. The starting quarterback get this as a child. He was obviously unpassable. Kick semifinalist three times and no to that. Remember that that was awesome. Kick fucking win on facet kick fucking hope. So that's awesome. Great Caesar also spot right absolutely hell. Yeah emergency quarterback before we go too far into the second half. I just wanted to say that there are a couple of like drives brady struggled with one blast by mo lowest and Kim across our. I'm Mike. What if he just happened to go? Through what Bledsoe went through. And then he just lost his job. You never hear anything again actually. Wrote down that My note from Louis was that he was trying to kill both the Patriots quarterback because he although on that play like get look really bad in real time but then you could see actually eased up at the end of that. That hit really. I missed that part. Yeah just just just barely. But I think he may have had something on his conscience about killing roughing the passer flags. I don't think I've seen a single one of those yet this year. No we've seen a few probably should have been where Brady will slide And still get lit up right like a helmet to the facemask sort of thing but yeah no. I don't think we see that I can remember well. And then the other thing that like stuck out to me in the first half was so brady had a fumble that was actually an incomplete right so his his arms moon forward of the announcers freaking out that it's called the open hand rule and they were debating on if it was you know an incomplete if it was a fumble then literally the same drive pretty. Fumbles his hands. Moving backwards selects play. It might have been the next plan and I thought it was pretty funny because it seemed like the based on what the announcers weren't talking about it wasn't like a familiar thing already as it stood so I thought it was pretty good foreshadowing later in season. Yeah no kidding. Yeah but I actually had a note on that too because it was right at the end of the half so the Patriots. The ball with like two minutes left and that it was an obvious forward pass And I even in real time you could tell us a forward pass. But the jets challenge in any way and lost their last time out and so then the pages ran the clock down like thirty seconds before they punted it and so the jets got the ball back with went. Twenty nine seconds I have and so instead of being able to like take a couple of shots to get within field goal range which at this point probably would have been the game. Winning field goal They have tried. Hail Mary which they tried the Hail Mary and that was probably the most one of those bizarre plays. We've seen this season. Because Vinny TESTAVERDE GETS STRIP SACKED. Kerr's Martin recovers it and runs for like twenty thirty yards. It's like inside the the red zone before getting tackled. Did I can't believe that he didn't trilateral. That yeah it it did feel a little bit like the beginning of the Miami miracle to me going all the way they were so excited broke. A couple tackles like. Oh the announcers though man Brent Jones we already have a history with that guy but did not see my jacked up for this game like something. I every statement he had was like a hyperbole losing his mind so on a little self conscious about talking about commentators but since you brought them up I have. I have some things here Things that I have no probably not. I don't listen to the game the way you listen to the game. Wow Brian Jones the beginning of the game. It's just stupid and I quote. The jets are just as explosive as the rams on offense I mean think for a drive and a half exactly the first few drives when they actually decided to throw the ball. Well they have speed on the outside with these little receivers and they have Curtis Martin to keep you on something like that. It's not quite the same Brent but okay and then Went to game break with Oh what's his name that the game break to the go to New York urge no I can't remember but the game break was a colts game and I guess Peyton manning must be throwing a lot of interceptions this year because they show. I guess against the Ravens and they showed the Ravens who are touchdown them right the end. These slipped in the line of And Manning has not been picked off to this point and it was like halfway through the first quarter. I think he doesn't feel like there's a game where he had thrown like four. Yeah when you mentioned that. I thought that they meant all year but they were talking about that game yet and it was early in the first quarter and a stat. Check for you on that explosive offense comment yes would jets finished the season with the seventeenth ranked offense in the NFL. Oh that's a good. Good Call There Greg. Explosive Ranch Atrium with six who des. Moines by points scored. Okay what about by yards gained Wa Mia Stack Guy? Here were twenty four billion. Well okay. So that didn't help Brent's argument at all. Either I will say though to Brenston. Offense is the first game that I've actually been more annoyed with Gus. Johnson Real. Yeah it was driving me nuts. It was doing the whole game and I don't know if it was Brent is just insane him or if because gus has nothing else to add but that I mean my guess is that irritating. Brent Jones getting riled up in and Gus Johnson didn't WANNA get smacked around up there together in a booth. Did you hear the little thing that they got into? We're Santa Claus and sit on his lap. Man broncos guts. Maybe if you get married you can have some sitting on Santa's lap and he's like I hope so then Brenda's like I hope you get married you married or you hope you have a son I mean there's like silence and dust goes you put me on a tough spot. He went back to the game. Laugh is driving me nuts sit on Santa's lap. That's what he's hoping for and ask for what a son. I don't know there's something there's something deeper there so I'll look into. I'M GONNA leave that one alone enough dumb shit today Did you notice how excited Brent Jones was about the height of the grass on and on about how the edges of the field had taller grass in the middle was much softer and shorter and easier to run in? But the outside was easier to cut on every time the ball went to the outside or those run up the middle. He will come about the grass. I don't know why don't you learn something? New His staff that he was going to keep going on. Did you pick out last time? But he was like obsessed with Canadian blue seats that the same guy. Canadian blue steel wasn't a steel. Yeah but now. He's maybe into. Details is wrong that maybe his daughter played for the Boston. Breakers women's professional soccer team one Wa- Ncaa CHAMPIONSHIPS UNC. Who so she's big-time eight-time hotshot athletic families did? I did have some questions if you guys want to help me out again. Oh Yeah let's do this. I'm Brian Jones Game. So we know this is going to happen. Football football give it to our now football. Yep All right here we go. I'll just start with the first one that I have on. This one was about Lor Malloy apparently and he was saying. That's exactly what they WANNA do. Get him out of the box. Let Curtis Martin Start. Pounded up there now. Based on past episodes I think the boss is like we're the running back is yeah. I think we've talked about that before in terms of boxes kind of the. It's an imaginary box that surrounds the both offensive and defensive line as kind of how many people are in that little area. Yeah also. It's also euphemism for Regina Mike Confused. Yeah that makes like well no but it also seems a little like selfish too. That's exactly what they WANNA do. Get lawyer Malloy out of the box and let Curtis Martin start to pound it up in there. I just thought those a little selfish they call it the CFO. Not No shit. That sounds that sounds. Pretty khanate intimate. Yeah I can I would believe that AK clam all right so so it's the getting him out of the box means getting getting them out of that area and then that would allow Curtis Martin to wipe pounded through. There is yet to clue when you put it like that. That sounds horrible. He can hit the whole with juice. Okay well yeah but that was about passing though so I guess you could say the same thing. I see what you're saying. Yeah all right well. That's informative okay. What else next one was Tom? Brady doesn't see me coming. Who has a full head of steam and gets it off just in time? What is it? I just wonder how your mind works. Confused Breath Jones throws out new new every time. I'm just fascinated. Oh Shit sometimes. I'm sort of fascinated with what he's saying that I miss a player to Kim. Yeah so I re read that back again. So Tom Brady doesn't c Mo Lewis coming who has a full head of steam and gets it off just in time. Okay all right so I think I know so my guess. I'm not able to see the play in real time but I think Tom Brady is probably dropped back to pass. And I think the Mola was coming is running at probably to try for a sack you know and so Tom Brady getting it off. I think is throwing the ball before me gets their own and MOLA's bus not on his face one of the two. Jesus man I can't believe he just said that. That's territory Jim. Yeah what the Hell Only God. That's okay that Steve. But I appreciate the effort. You'RE GONNA say Greg Hustle. We'll talk after we. I did this segment. I tried to like listen for these and I couldn't do it. So this is a unique skill life. This is what I'm saying. I his brain works differently the money. He's only four for every game all listening for them not to. I don't WanNa know everything but refused thereto this so next one so we we mentioned in the box so we get that and I think now this is a little silly bringing this up but I'll just say it anyway The quote was. We've talked about eight men. Auks how about eight men in the Enza? Oh my yeah okay all right so we know the boxes right we. We just discussed correct so I remember this plan right because this is right at the. This is the Hail Mary we're talking about and the Patriots unveiled the new defensive scheme. Oh yeah that's what was where they had eight of their players lined up basically in the end zone to knock down a hail Mary because they wanted to have more guys than on defense in the the offense down wide receivers because usually it's a hail Mary sending at least four if not five wide receivers down into the end zone so you WanNa have more than that to cover them unique situation. That was the first time that was done because Brian Jones seeing that. That was a new his the first. I'm Brian Jones ever saw. That's for sure okay. All meant to put eight in the box and they end up in the end zone. You're in big trouble very true. See I've learned a lot of stuff and the last one. Those defensive ends of the jets get wide so much that we're going to use some draw action to come on underneath. I don't know what that means at all. All right. Okay all right. I know I know this because we talked about this a little bit. Where just defensive ends? Were getting a lot of quick pressure on Tom. Brady right. Yeah so but if you think about the way they run because they're coming off the going out wide arounds usually the guys that are trying to block them to close on. Tom Brady as they're giving that space. There's a lot of space in the middle so the patients were mitigating. That by running drop. Plays where you drop back and it looks like you're GonNa pass it but then you hand it off to running back on a delay shadow. Can they run where those the defensive lineman used to be that makes sense right? I mean I don't know I think that makes sense. Do you guys agree. I stopped listening after the third one. Well I appreciate your help guys a little bit smarter for all right. The real question is Mike. How did you not get on the quarterback sneak where the Tessa very patched senators? Dick when they ran a straight ahead what we're talking about. Yeah there was literally sexual brench was talking about not enjoying being news. Well I heard about the rundle. I'm pretty sure. Yeah that's what he was talking about for real. Yeah that's what they do. They Gustav Physical. Tell for the center to snap the ball immediately and run like hell. He made a joke. It's like slapping a horse and running after it got his talks to tell this guy did spread Jones with everybody more involved so I I think I think this is the perfect time to do. Best in worse Steve. I well. I'm definitely I was going to say that we discussed now. You can still use it if you wanNA tell you us. Think best bit was how stoked bell check was the end of the game. Yeah cited all reserve but this is first win against jets clearly hates the jets. I do and at the end of the game. He's runarounds yell at. He's grabbed his players. Like it's pretty crazy. That's a good one. Worst ever jets are absolutely open them up in that slipped by Tilahun that slant that just gave him walk a terrible start. That was not great. Greg Gimme a besson worth. My best was Antoine Smith on that reception. Ooh Yeah that was his. Acceleration came out of nowhere. Is it didn't have cheese. Yeah I agree that equal and then my worst was just curtis Martin in general because he's a ton and that is punt service punter. Mike besser worse. I'm just I mean he's awesome but we have reason to it isn't he? Got Traded Man Best for me was So it right after week one of the Patriots touchdowns There is a kick return. That was going to break it and I think I would have been the end of the game and Viteri comes up north so your credit man your brothers the beginning of this podcast series the beasts and then I realized after seeing the clip that you showed and this has happened twice in this season alone. Yeah down the returner. As the last guy and save the touchdown and yet drive. They ended up getting a field goal. Thousand touchdown game over. Yeah because that was. What was that Herschel Walker Clipper talking about Oh yeah yeah. You're right old somewhere. I think it was someone on jet saying. That's the fastest kicker. They've ever seen. Yeah it was. It was it was right. After the Patriots first touchdown was that ensuing kickoff right seven thirteen and after that of seven sixteen but would have been over right. Exactly so yeah. Yeah Yeah because one of the commentators like. That's the fastest kicker I've ever seen you're correct. Yeah it was pretty cool so I don't know how many of those using his career but I know of three a moment and then worst moments I would go pretty much what Steve said but the opposite end of it where bill was so happy smiling his high fiving hugging and I just know that a few years later. We're never gonNA see that again. Made me sad so my worse that he was happy at one point now. He's not all right then two-thirds why. Oh Boy Yup and we established thousand. Four is when you know we'll get to that correct our rights. My best is the winning the game. Winning play Patriots The the last time they need a first down its third and like three or four and the pages run a bootleg with Tom Brady But the defensive end steps right in the way and he basically just cuts it back up field and runs for a first down all by himself as to win the game dude. I forgot to anti spun as well. He did the Spain any dove and yeah he got the. I took the first by like the nose of the football. To like it was it was close and That was the game winner. So that's by far my best. That's just a good one. That's that's Tom Brady being Tom Brady before everybody knew Tom Brady. I was going to be the page to article that I found about by Bob Halloran. Who has a hard on for drew bledsoe But I think it's actually GonNa work better later because he has a few of them so we're GONNA actually get in-depth into some of the more egregious ones. So I'm GonNa say my worst is the jets fans for two reasons. One was firemen. Ed Yeah what a fucking Harto. And every time they cut to him they were showing him. Try to pump up the crowd. Even though the jets weren't offense every fucking him sitting on his boys shoulders like a chicken a concert just waving his hat around like yeah and then they also kept talking about how there the jets fans unofficial mascot is. Shrek because he's green and they win ugly. I don't remember that being a thing but they did keep out that early. Shrek that old I I guess so. I mean Mike went to school for that Mike. How old was when I went to school a few years ago? It was already out because this is two thousand one right so we gone. It had come out recently and I will say this because I was a lovely school of Rit and I went for computer animation. And when I was taking the tour I nobody into computer. Animation was really police. Come out and Shrek was recently out. We took a tour. These computers. This lab is what they use to work on Shrek with. We're all that is crazy. I gotTa go here and then I went there and I leave at that story for another day. Apparently yes but there's shades of your Penn state experiences and whatever into that all the time but to confirm yes records out and doing well. How many at all right like helicopter Cox who? I didn't see it was a different type of environment out. There of people not right. Yeah National Technical Institute yes right near there and I was in a room that was different so people would walk by the hallway and press the button so the struggle off and that was pretty cool. 'cause the add to that was the The firearm for deaf people right the strobe. Right yeah but you press it in the hallway right so did right. There's a lot of a lot of good things about all righty. So we'll figure them all out at heart. Yeah we'll get into that no hell dicks though man. Maybe we'll get into that next week. When the Patriots travel back home to host the include. Six five Cleveland browns coming into Foxborough then a revenge game how so? Oh I guess it is. Yeah there are adventure tour. He's just stomping everybody. This is true so we'll learn more about that next week on the Patriots. Doc- podcast. Cla US by.
Dan Kaufmann, New York Jets Director of Corporate Partnerships Work In Sports Podcast
"Prior Brian Clark. Vp of content and engage learning at work in sports DOT COM and. This is the working sports. Podcast there's a moment that sticks out to me from today's interview with Dan. Kaufman New York jets director of corporate partnerships. Well actually a couple. Dan is a really great guest and she has a ton of insider advice but one in particular was when. Dan Talks about his early career and how he failed a lot. You hear him disgusted firsthand in just a bit. But I think it's really valuable to highlight it leading into this conversation that's upcoming. Dan comes out and says I tried a lot. I fail a lot and I learned a lot. This is an attitude that most people don't have dances at very normally like this is just a pattern. Everyone goes through but in but in reality most of us are afraid to try. Because we're afraid to fail and that hold us back when I say most of us I definitely mean me when I was starting my career. I was so afraid to be judged by my peers as being inferior that I didn't ask questions. I didn't take any risks. I didn't try anything in the grey areas and in turn. I didn't really push myself into uncomfortable areas. I thought if I did my tasks and hustled around. That would be enough. And you know what it was just fine but looking back my own fears of judgment stunted my growth. I see it now with my kids. Firsthand they learn best by trying and failing and you know what I let them. My daughter was trying to make a pizza the other day. Part of this whole quarantine world where right and she said. Hey Dad guy try to make something else with the extra dough. Yeah go forth. She made this cow zone. Type thing stuff too much sauce too much cheese and it burst open in the oven and she came to me afterwards and said how. I was going to do that again. I think I'd make these three changes to my approach. She's twelve. I was twenty two years old at C. N. N. Sports illustrated trying to play it. Safe all the time or being faced with something didn't know how to do and faking it instead of just asking someone else a question Howard instead of just trying set of experimenting in learning through the process of failing this ego and I'm not the only one that suffers from this affliction. Failing is okay. In fact it's better than okay. It's the best way to learn and just to be clear. I mean failing by trying things that maybe don't work out not feeling because you are lazy. And Miss Deadlines do sloppy work. Failing still has a standard too it. Dan Kaufman joined the New York. Jets a little over five years ago and as you'll hear in this interview he really loves his job in corporate sponsorships and is excited by his day to day involvement. Now before we jump in. This interview was conducted a few weeks ago prior to the corona virus outbreak. So there is no reference to our ongoing struggle the NFL SEASON. How the jets are operating the business any of that just a good old fashioned pre corona perspective on getting going in the sports industry. Here he is my good friend Dan Kaufman director of corporate partnerships with the New York jets. Hey Dan what's happening today buddy? Living the dream man. I'm doing really well so before we get into your world of corporate partnerships the NFL and all this took steps. You took to get where you are now. I want to go back to your getting a bit. Did you always have this dream of working in sports? How this kind of evolve for you. So ironically You know I I was. I played someone college football. I got my gun driver in college. Now Yeah it was crazy. I many It was very very you know. Trump by accident actually went to actually interning with the budget. Judges wear lawyer and I You know I do that. I WANNA make sure law school so my first job was with the Hamilton. I I went to be a legal assistant for a law firm in Los Angeles called earned in the longer our longer there but I found out that. Do not want to be a lawyer. Who aren't I'm fine. Yeah we as my pal back my passion trying to get into sports and I you know in two thousand five when this happened and I kind of started just from the ground up in high in the sport so that was Kinda I area of what I got in the sportsman. So when you say that when you start from the ground up what did that mean to you. How did you kind of look at it and say all right? I don't have a ton of experience. I haven't done internships in sports but that's where I WANNA be. Well what was your approach? Then to getting in so yeah. It's smart you know. I looked at everything I try and asking around again. The industry totally different than it is today. Now they're majors in sports management graduate degrees our toil degrees I actually Iraq. In their first job was through getting the job. You're working sports dot com. I guess yeah so it was funny. 'cause you know it's fair based in my hometown stop and you know. I actually do a lot of people all right. Look and you want to get into any Korean sports yet ticket sale. And I'm like okay. What does that mean in jail? I really applied for my resume. Semi resume people and actually the job. I got was screwed. Pentacle pilots reworking sports DOT COM. So that's all thirty guys though love. Tell me how great we are. It's awesome so okay. Let's let's talk about that. Pensacola is pilots. Because that's going to be a pretty major move. You're going from the law world to then ticket sales. You're at a minor league hockey team trying to sell tickets for hockey in the south. I mean that's that's a pretty difficult indoctrination into this world. But in your first year doing it you'd lead the organization revenue so that's pretty impressive to turn that corner and to start knocking it out of the park right away. What did you learn about sales and marketing early on and kind of what it meant to be successful in that role? Great Question I would say I got a temperament of wearing the fail fast and I kept going. I M buy building and you know and now I learned through my mistakes and you know maybe a call. My now works yearbook called my work somewhere else. I may change how I talk and I gotTa tell you the biggest thing I think nine that being raised in Arizona you know going to school in New York for shot in Los Angeles and go in the deep South Real Culture Shock. Yeah because people knew slow down there and people were job. Gago ANYWHERE WHEREVER. The job is My Patients Cola and I'll just shade over how I learned. Everything was just failing and I just kept working and going and just all the mean people get involved the chamber. I've learned way of for not first job doing that. So it was It was a cool experience after a couple of seasons to happen and opportunity came Tampa but it was Learned I failed a lot. I show the what people with culture and I- small town you know and then you got good experience. Did you feel like with that first role where you're selling season tickets and you're selling group sales? You're doing all that kind of worked. The revenue focused rolls. Did you kind of feel like okay? This is my fifth because it sounds like you were still trying to discover a little bit as well. Did you feel like you kind of you were in the right zone? We'll yeah it was. I mean I think in the minors. It's totally different thing. The majors because of the minors. You know you're doing game operations. You're doing marketing doing radio. I was doing team travel. Always doing and of course I in my last Dr Corporate sponsors wearing that and to be candid all these different roles I learned so much within the minor. League system is a lot of open commerce. Moorgate street where you might do for touch everything. Yeah I really fat. My favorite painting was corporate sponsorship of my roles. I think are the most fine of that but I didn't know what though guideline Zyppah Pensacola. That's really cool. Yeah we suggest that a lot too. It's like the Minor League Baseball Minor League hockey. My out there. They have the same expectations like expectation. They're gonNA put on a great event every night and he had a much smaller staff. You're going to have to do a lot more and getting that wide breadth of experience can be really powerful foundation moment for your career. Y- sometimes if you know babe you a teddy bear. Toss when they do a school board yet who run out a bunch of Teddy bears and vice where it has to happen where the mascot thousand. I hazing so I mean all our there any that you did experience. Yeah that's cool so you've also minor league hockey with the Pensacola pilots. You then we're mid Major College University Toledo Major College University of Wisconsin and now in the NFL would the jets other than you had to stop in there with the Tampa Bay Bucks to. I don't WanNa miss that other than the obvious. You know much bigger budgets and larger. Staffs what are you. What are you kind of identified as the main differences in varying work environments? Of course they're all connected to sports but I mean there's a big difference in those steps. Imagine yeah no I truly you know the head with dish like it's all like football football hockey hockey baseball baseball. But it's just different. It really is like the collegiate world is different. Fanbase you're selling your marketing to a wireless fan base from that and where in the NFL? You know I've been doing. It's just bigger and more. Abundant budgets can do more to take care of clients for renewed for sales for new business. So I think in my opinion is a lot different. I learned a few things from each different step of my job to make America right now so from Tampa Bay. I learned really grow when I started in. You know inside. Sales to song tickets out some groups out zone tweets to bang taking stock dictate. Swear to go into Learfield Toledo again very similar. All Blair was in Pensacola where I was in a very small market. I've made a lot in the states. I felt fast into same thing. And it kind of really fine tune those skills and then when I got promoted to Wisconsin. That was a lot bigger big ten school by probably top ten large. It's you know behind. The packers. Biggest brands within Wisconsin. And there's Opportunity Avenue digestive you know have one of the biggest teams in NFL. Big Sport sponsorship and nearing deal with those caliber people of she sweet people a fortune. One Thousand Company into local MOM and POPs are Fisher pool builder. So it's been cooler juice every conversation. I have different every different type of a little bit every day. I go can keep improving myself. See that's really interesting because you talked about how the audiences are different. Every step you've had and that makes total sense like you have a different kind of market a different kind of audience and persona and the type of people are going to gravitate towards your product. How hard was it to free to adjust each step? And how much do you rely on data and research to really understand? Your targets may be losing break. Great Question I would say from that end. You know. It's fine the data. You know years ago until I would say I would say. My first year in campus is my sincere intention. I'm sorry in in New New York. It's the data games. Just been totally different. You know data analytics and you know years ago. Union grew use data. I gotta be honest with you. It's like we were just like how do you teach your call? I make sure we're talking with. How do you know what you're doing from that? And so it's been different. Now you know especially with the jets the past couple years our data science analytics. Arming you know gone. I think from one six or seven people now only on that fire rowing industry. I think especially in younger people. There's fitting get sales and marketing about. Can you take the jobs then? That's another avenue where learn how to use python. Learn how you are all different programs. And how could apply either saving money? You're making money organizations. Bright Yeah I said this when I interviewed Malin who is director town acquisition for the Cleveland Indians. And she said the number one role they're trying to fill is business. Analytic grows so just trying to figure out. Unlock code to figure out how to make us more money. That's really so much of it is in data now so it is interesting that you're finding that as well it's interesting. I talk with you and I were talking a little before this interview. And we're both talking about how we talk to college age students a lot and do the same. I talked to college age students a lot throughout the year and whenever I mentioned to them that the sports sales jobs are plentiful they all kind of roll their eyes at me but if I say sports marketing kind of perk up like Oh marketing okay. But isn't the truth that the line between the two is pretty blurry I mean sales and Marketing. Kind of go hand in hand. Don't think I would think so but I think the biggest thing is you know everyone again reached out you know every week by a perspective person in sports or through my family member a friend neighbors ETC ETC. About how you know. How did you get your job in on the biggest thing I can tell a lot of you know people who WanNa get into sports is you know you're you're going to have to get into sales live like no one you social media? They weren't do marketing. They WANNA do other aspects. And I'm like that's fine. I think everyone who's worked in Sports. For the most hysteria and ticket sales and part of that is just creating and having a person's communication skills. I think the biggest thing is people trying to get a sport to you know. Learn to talk to people why I say I. It sounds so simple but learn to reach people. Learn to ask questions how that natural curiosity. I think that's really important. And just not only just working jobs but just figuring out you know different careers about different people their different backgrounds. And so now I'm in Nashville person who knows interview. You're asking the question. I hate talking allies here. You usually Don Parker and with others. I'm asking questions and I WANNA learn more and it. Just that's where I think the world works you know. People talking sells I think the biggest thing. I'll tell you especially with anyone coming in to sports I. It's going to have to be you're going either. Ticket sales are analytics. Such as my opinion from my and I think as build your internal network get certification that you get people know who you. Are you going to marketing or social media or whatever you know that's an idea that's True Path they choose? Yeah there's so much power when you have a proven track record of revenue generation. Like if you have that on your record if you have that on your resume somewhere that just speaks volumes to the way that you can make a difference at organization. It's on debatable. Why key data points? It's like you can't argue that so anybody gained strength. I believe if they get in sales they find some success. There they start to put some you know like you said building that interpersonal connections being a better listener. All of those things. It's just a it's a really powerful tool to have in your foundation so okay. We both acknowledge that people tend to that and they're like Oh yeah sure but I don't really WanNa work in sales. What do you think from your experience? You've been doing this a long time. What do you think is the most under or misunderstood part of working in sales? Sounds like you're having a lot of fun. Yeah no I mean I like. My job is different every day. Like I honestly don't think I can do the same thing every day. I just don't think that is not in my mantra is not who I am From that and so you know the first years working in scorching inside sales. You know you're going to be on the Grind. You're making under in two hundred fifty one call day and you know teams doing well. That's great he's not doing well. That's not good. But you got objections and Luthor and have adversity from that and so you'll dancer your question in my opinion. You know it's just I I like it twenty. You're around people with different. It's same thing every day. It's like I answered my question beginning. But that's what I like to do. I I love it especially sponsorship. You know I learned so much about company industries and stuff. I would never know about if I was just doing a day to day job. You know I'm learning. I learned a lot about. I did a blow torch deal this year. I knew nothing about network. Yeah so it's just been those things light that's why like. I'm very natural. Curiosity of learning about companies industries. And all that. So you have an official blowtorch of the New York jets. Love that you'll blow torches partner. Yeah I know. I know. There's another thing that you know. How did that happen? We all of our alums Nick Mangold working at a company based in Columbus and the US about idea about tailgating. And he's a blow torch you then. We created a partnership. I love it. Yeah and it sounds like so much creativity involved too. It's like you're finding that connections between a business and your your jets. You know like you're trying to figure out what's that magic formula that I can present them with right. I mean isn't that kind of how it works. Yeah I mean you know you have to figure out whether trying to accomplish their. You know every company's trying to make more money obviously if your marketing and advertising in Saudi and things of that nature but you know how can we customize it alker create something unique? That's a little different to engage? Their potential concerns are current customers. And it's every play like people come now you were talking the cost like come to me like you know. Hey Send me your proposal. I can't really answer that question yet because I don't necessarily know what you're trying to accomplish right. Sometimes you know Kinda shakes them up. I'm like look I'm just being candid doing things like I understand what you're trying to accomplish them. We can put o'clock warming here that would make sense to your needs and wants. Yeah you have to be able to be a good listener and understand what they need or else. You're just shooting in the dark. I would imagine so. I'm really curious about this. You've obviously seen education major component of your success. After Pensacola you landed a role with the Tampa Bay Bucks. At the same time you went back and got your masters now with the jets and you're getting your doctorate. Why was this a part of your plan? I was advanced education. Something you saw as being really important to you and Oh my God are you crazy forgetting. Your doctor seems insane to me. Yeah I got a lot of people saying that. All the time and to call you doctor Kaufman and now you know I gotTa Tell You my whole family's a bunch of agitators. They work in education. I I look at education as a way to learn new skills and apply to the real world like Mylanta Hamilton. Even Liberal College. I knew nothing about business courses. Learn how to read write and talk at the University Tampa while the bucks NBA. And then. I I work more in income. Msn Marketing you know. I think we this role here was just something I wanted to do. I think I think me learning more about data collection worn analytics near on Jewish. We're the world's going. I give my doctor now in Business Administration University of South Florida and yeah is it hard. I would say so. But it's a challenge. I like And I'm I'm very passionate about and it's bouncing light now now married so I make sure my wife's happy I make sure my dog happy and our children yet You know it's just one of those things to where you know. It's something that I wanted you right now and I think I learned a lot through my letters and my neck school every single highly successful person. I've ever interviewed when you ask them to boil it down. Like what are they? Think is the pattern for success. They'll all say being a lifelong learner. They always say that. Like just wanting to be curious and learn so good good for you for going after that because I would have the patience. So let's talk about your role with the jets you're the director of corporate partnerships. Explain the main thrust of your role and I know you kind of told us a little bit about this but what you like. Best about it. I know you obviously like acting with people but get into the nuts and bolts a little bit. Tell us a little bit about what it means to be the director of corporate partnerships. So there are Are Directors Many of US HAVE HAD LISA. Doug Memorial experience Work in sports that either in ticket sales or you know supercell or sponsorship. You know it's all things to where you know the mature property the jets. We have to figure out new ways of brevity by sponsorship advertising marketing things of that nature and so through my world We're GONNA find new companies new Other sectors so you know I work a lot with state. Government government allowed education our go out with unions Worked on different businesses. Loban deals with from there. And just because we've been so mature and you have to find new way so it's having scour station explain what we do here at school. So obviously you've made this very clear but relationships matter a lot in sales and marketing again in front of people and being charismatic and listening and all those things but it's also it's not just with perspective clients is also within your own organization. I read a recommendation of you. From Clay Hampton director of operations with the Texans who said about you from the very first time I met him. He immediately made an impression on me as someone who would be a great teammate. That's that's a really nice recommendation. But in your perspective. How important is it to be likeable and collaborative and have a good attitude in the workplace? Step back though. I think he just didn't even just being authentic being yourself. You know. I think that's who I am. You know very once people get to know me. I am lamb. Treat intern part time employees and the CEO same. And so. That's been my successes. We've is being raised and gone dramatic. But it's just been really really interesting. Everybody you know as we get to know each other you know as the one who's calling in or asking through linked in about a work in sports you know am I. Just keep in touch. You know you never know where you're in five ten years you know the the Fourteenth Street in life. It's you know you always hear it's a small world you know. I mean like people were at maybe not right now but there's somewhere else in a relationship you had over time you know you take fifteen years to build a reputation but one stater on. That's just where you have to be yourself the authentic Having good true North Compass and who you are and I think that's been you know. I think that's been my mantra her. Yeah I kind of say that and I've been successful I think is in life and you can southern array having curiosity Ask questions and I just love that word to us at being authentic like I just love the what that stands for just being true to yourself and not put on a show. I'm not trying to be something near Notch. Authentic to WHO? You are and showed the best that you have. I just think it's important for everybody. I also noticed on your Lincoln profile you wrote and I like just very much over time. You've learned that listening Dean detailed and unique have benefited me to be successful in my career. Let's focus on my last one dean unique that stood out to me. Why is that important in? How do you kind of embody that trait so great again? You're GONNA lager questions. You good good not good and make me think. The Brian wish unique. I A lot of people in the kind of be you know. We're playing a job when you are in business when you are around people I kind of see you gotta face in the crowd and naturally I have a walk where I kinda stand out already. Six to two hundred seventy five pound ball beard stick out. I never commit a crime point out by ten people. You don't come your Nicos like you know I. I read this book one time when everyone should zagging. You know like especially when you're applying for a job like find out more about the company find out more about the person you know we get an interview it now. Where do they live what they would do? They not like what are you know from that? And Kevin true conversation because it shows and done your research. I WANNA people. You didn't just not only interviews but like in self called or anything. They're very old time. You're like wow you. You've done your research about my company. I'm like no I care. 'cause I WANNA learn more and see how I learn how you do your business so can help you guys can learn to what we do and trying something happened. I think that's been alive thing. I think he's been my strength is it's been personally is just in different in different by these. Gareth and going picking you know before you know before call today so you wear my Lincoln Profile. Really thin profile. See your background. You know where you're at. So is this different things Is You know if everyone's going one way. Try something different you know. I think that what they use that I tell people when they're applying for jobs. Is You know I get people calling you L. In packing me from friends relatives other people jobs no about internships or full time jobs and so just things like you know how will make you different than your resume. You know from one and I'll tell you for anyone who's applying a job or anything especially is you know people really. This is my opinion people. WanNa look at two types of people they hire someone first one is. It was see how much money you can Nathan Company or how you can stay for the company so no matter what I see a lot of resumes and even people not just you know eighteen and twenty four. I mean people older me You know mega quantifiable one of the biggest things that people don't do know everyone looks at where you know. I wouldn't put a lot qualitative information known about themselves but you John differently so be need beating probably gamble. I saw years ago. Was there was a woman who's applying for a job ticket. Tell job years ago and she was a starbucks employee Barista Okay and she was just me again indifferent. She put in her resume. You know most transactions done an hour that got my attention. Yeah how you I mean. How would you like well? We had a competition who can do most transactions in making a mistake and I thought that was really cool and then you know. She put in most money brought in in one shift so she made her job was a Barista at starbucks into a job she brought in revenue and I thought that was really unique. One way think about of being unique it makes total sense and I love that and I'm always telling people like drift away from all the power verbs or the power adjectives and give me some data points in your resume told me that you grew twitter. Followers twenty two percent are you increased revenue year over year. Decrease spending your over your. GimMe some data and so I love that. You're hitting that point home because I think that's super important in fact all brag on you for a little bit here in twenty sixteen. You're the top revenue producer for the New York jets organization which is like. That's pretty crazy if you think about it if you really boil it down here's an NFL team and you were the top revenue producer for the team. I'm imagining it. Got You at least a parking spot up front or maybe a key to the executive bathroom. Maybe get a little bit of a kickback for that. But in all seriousness. That's a pretty major accomplishment. Do you ever in this world where you're always hunting that next big. Do you ever get to celebrate and enjoy those moments or is it always onto the next thing is always like I got a focus and go forward again no question? Kristie asking? You know. I'll tell you within you know we have our Our DTAC SAP and we have our Carmel Meetings and apartments which I've never been apart organization like this and you know everyone comes. They celebrate the big win. The what we dine so we got a new partner. Xyz You know everyone share their titles from there so it's been it's been cool being fine You know it's always like I say that way. It's good but you can't rest on. Laurels wife Right. Where you can't keep moving jockeyed learning guy keep doing because if you get complacent that's when failure. I think really starts to happen. Just my opinion is I know. Yesterday we had off. I'm working all day on. We're very morning school stuff and afternoon stuff and the wife went to me. She Goes No. Do you ever stop. And I'm like can't keep going you know. I said that I am wrong. Vacations good but when time the work hard and sometimes you gotta take breaks. That sounds like a pretty cool culture though that there is a recognition for accomplishments within the jets organization however the cultures kind of varied from your different positions are does it matter much in the size of the organization it does it come top down where like the CEO. Kind of establishes what the company culture is going to be like like who plays a role in this dow pushing the corporate culture from your view. Because you've been multiple different organizations. You've probably seen it from a lot of different angles. Where does that come into play this kind of establishing the culture? I think that means more time. I think it time and gone on okay. All organizations are getting bigger Industries actually change a real acid teenagers. You know it really has. I mean it's unbelievable where you know knowing you will invite department. You know there wasn't that you know wasn't where they had people outside college. I mean get jobs directly. I think that's actually have changed a lot off from that end but you know I think though you should out. Top his tally. I think you know their job or John's a lot has to do with their magic. Yeah I think more into now is you know. I think wasn't where before me new song would stay at the company. Twenty five forty years like this were. They don't like their job. They can move to their choice right. Yes it's true it's true and culture is playing a much bigger role now. It does seem like it's something that's being talked about a lot more in trying to retain your talent more because you're right. The options are out there. I mean we know that first hand we have to twenty five thousand jobs our job right now just in the sports industry. The options are out there. So it's really on the companies to establish a culture that makes people want to stay. Because you know you've been in hiring staff it's hard to bring in new talent and to replace somebody and it goes through that all over again. It's much easier to keep your your stars and grow with them like you know area is like you know what are your objectives that you want to do. And that's something that you is apple. Use APP can use employees. Want to look at you know. Do something to where you know. Where do you want to be in you know? And that's three years five years. What do you want to accomplish? That's something that's time goes on. You know that the company should be supporting your goal in need right totally. So we're GONNA finish up with this and Dan. This has been awesome. You're just given us so much great information but I know you've got a busy day ahead of you and I know you have things you gotta get to. So let's finish up with this. I know from our job. Board at least fifty percent of the jobs in the sports industry are connected to sales possibly more. That number varies a good amount. But it's always right around fifty to sixty and we both know if you can show a history of generating revenue. You'll never struggle to find work. So how do you convince the young people in our audience? That sales roles are worth pursuing and our high ceiling and have all these great potentials. And how do we do that? I question I think in my opinion you know I think people I think there's a perception of sales of like it's a job. I absolutely love my job. I think I think he just has to be taught in schools and I think people understand that you know if you WanNa get into sports. Susan what you're going to have to do what everyone's done why people need can do From that and you know if you had told me you know fifteen years ago. Hey you're GONNA be selling for the jetstar would be like no. I know that my I would not know that. So I'll just kind of say in my opinion in great opportunely. It's a great sport. Great career career. You're GONNA change you. Everything's GonNa be different for you challenging yourself because you're self motivated and I a great career. I I honestly don't know what else I would be doing besides this. Yeah and you're working for the New York jets. I mean that's pretty damn cool right heavily. Say That is I mean inch started off this call. Say Hey how are you? I'm like I'm living in a dream like I wanNA work for an NFL team. I've learned teamwork two hundred bucks and I feel very lucky You can't rush on your walls you know you gotta keep moving again. It was simply a kind of safety. Meant to go where I love what I do Continuous grow the Yankee. Learning Jiji. Move Board Dan. This has been great. Thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been incredible amount of knowledge and You're going to say this as Boston. Guy Born and raised a patriots fan. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNA give you a go jets. I'm going to. I'm going to cheer you on a little bit here. One fan time time I really do. And how you guys your podcast go on. My Lincoln Page Dan Confidence K M N. I'm always here to help you. Guys have any questions and reaching out and mentioned anything on this podcast. It'd be great so I wanNA see you know you'll fall off the track that so I appreciate your time appreciate your time and Look Oregon. Thanks to everyone for listening and thanks to Dan for jumping on the show. There's so much I loved about the interview but in particular I loved how curious he is to keep learning and growing. That is how you make it in this world. 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The Kist & Solak Show #128: The Contractually Obligated Eagles-Jets Preview
"Hi this is Jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. He's my co-host maximize. Talk Next Steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were. Let's be confident only on the ESPN podcast network Michael Kissed Again Benjamin governments so land. It's the kissed in Seoul action presented Pine espy nation and bleeding green nation. Oh you are flying high on the kissed and so lack show episode one twenty eight brought to you by the five okay espionage simply Gra nation Michael Cast at Michael. NFL ON TWITTER THAT'S K. I s. t. here with the best dog on Co host in the Game Mr nine year streak without a bad day Benjamin so follow him on twitter at Benjamin Sollac. That's S. O. L. A. K. Ben. Let's pretend like we didn't just talk or haven't been talking this entire time while recording one twenty-seven as we transition osition right into one twenty eight here how are you doing. Has Anything happened. Since you have not left my computer screen. Everything is delicious shockingly have remained consistent though like as we broke at the end of last podcast the main thing that's changes. Were now confirmed that Sam Donald is out so we're definitely getting Luke Falk which like you know if we had known maybe we would have done the jets defense I so we spent time talking about Sam Darnold on the last five castles how these things go on we also did learn that Cindy. Jones is expected to play Jason. Peter's is expected to play to Sean. Jackson's not expected to play because Peterson's also giving his Whatever it's called his presser we also saw Adam Gates at the podium. Am San Donald won't play looking big sad boy big sad boy Adam gaze up at the podium not happy camper understandably so let's talk about the injury report for both these teams and look we are recording on Friday morning so when this comes out is going to be a little bit late but we're dealing with Thursday injury report did not participate space for the Eagles quarterback Ronald Darby with a hamstring wide receiver does Shawn Jackson with an abdomen defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan with a foot and then cornerback of antibiotics of course the concussion and the next brain as well limited participation Derek Burnitz deal with the growing issue. He seems to be banged up a lot man had seized the the big season for him quarterback back. Sidney Jones speaking of banged up lot. He's dealing with a hamstring which tends to pop every time he runs in a straight line which is a problem for quarterback's offensive tackle. Jason Peters is dealing with the knee. You'RE GONNA have to take him out on his shield so I think he's always going to be banged up throughout the year but it's not it's not really gonNA matter as long as it's not too hot and he doesn't need to take the rest the game off like what happened in week one but that's happened. What a couple of weeks now anyway full participation Jason Kelsey not injury related brother. Have you seen little Wyatt it Elizabeth the new daughter Kelsey Nugget exciting congratulations to Kelsey family so much fun nasty. If your dad was Jason Kelsey cool now allows me. I want them to be my dad now. I can't imagine how much fun that's going to be for like little teeny tiny baby growing up. That's gotta be a fascinating experience rather Chelsea's going to retire in the off season as he's honestly like not not even trying to like throw shade on Mikey's. I can only imagine like I was telling you before this other shows like I don't all over my little tiny teeny tiny baby kids like a sucker. You'RE GONNA do the same thing you're going to be even remotely holy near emotionally prepared to deal with that. I think about having children I start crying and I think the type of person that I think I know Jason Kelsey to be and he's just GonNa be all over this teeny tiny baby with a daughter to like. I got all boys and I still don't all over them. If I had a girl I'd be in serious trouble. I think chasing Kelsey is going to be all all over that teeny tiny baby girl man. I need to have a girl because gene wise on not producing male professional athlete happening. You're you're producing a chess player is that hopefully we'll say that began. I would route and go out cheer and he would like you know ninety four then Europe. That's not born but now gene wilder on like is very likely. How old is your fiance not tall. We don't have lied US anywhere but I'm saying that the the Athletic Delta Admits Professional Professional Sports is is larger than isn't in women's professional sports this is known in so we have a better chance of producing a female professional athlete than we do a a male calvert fresh athlete so that's really banking on that banking on starting pitcher for the US a bride and banking on you know point guard for the the the the Chicago Sky Lawn looking for here is never as what I gotta hit by a CALC- had a kid very exciting stuff. Did you know who is did you see was starting center in his place ice. No Big v what's dark time line brother so no our so dove was new ski because he's gone and he was he didn't do well. we stop in the ball in training camp is a Malo would be the other back they probably. I liked think they already know that. They've got Malo at center for a game situation so they just wanted to try. I out of Saint Malo goes down. Kelsey goes down the next play. What do we do right thing but man when I saw Jessica Elsie out from practice for you know like personal reasons and most beats news the like his wife was like past due so no one was like what's going on like Stefan digs deeper conversation by the surprising thing for me. Was that big views as Nafta Center or can you imagine going from Jason Chelsea's Athleticism athleticism the center the drop off is massive the the you can't run to third year running game because because you can't expect via tied the blocks calcium makes but anyway so that was that was the only part of that exchange over the week of Kelsey being God that mattered to me at all this. Is You know the also get the Goto. The jets injury report here and again dealing with Thursday report. It's been announced at Sam. darnold is is not playing as we expected talk about talked about this entire time did not participate Jordan Jenkins linebacker with a calf. That's GonNa take a bite out of the pass rush that doesn't exist linebacker off while linebacker this time. Cj Mosele with a groin who I was telling you. I really think this defense would look a lot different with CJ Moseley Komo there on the field like they went from a very good defense to somewhat average in that week one game when Moseley went out so he's dealing with a groin. It's not going to be good for them if he doesn't play. It doesn't sound like he's going to and I think he actually is. A difference maker win healthy innovative. He's out there. He's not going to be healthy. He's going to be at full speed so that's a that's a continual hit for them. did not participate offensive guard. Clutch Yosemite dealing with the shoulder we talked about them in the jets offense eagles defence preview on KNX one twenty seven limited limited participation linebacker Terrell Basham really an edge player with dehydration so I guess not too much of an issue there but I like bash him. I think he's going to be a decent rotational situational pass rusher type guy out of Ohio right yeah. I didn't really know why the colts cut him but I guess the colts have like abundance of rotational guys on you can only carry so many of them but anyway yeah. I think fashionable stick for the jets. Obviously we expected to play in this upcoming game but the jets have like nobody nobody coming off at all and we'll talk about that also limited participation wide receiver. Josh Bellamy had no idea he was on the jets dealing with a shoulder tight end. Dan Brown don't know who assuming with an ankle running Trittin Canaan. Who are these people don't you don't despair strengthened can and he should know where he's from. Where is he from Virginia State. How the hell should I know that there's a Virginia State. Wow surprising is Virginia State. which I believe is a is a division two school sixth-round pick seventh round that makes sixth round pick? He is quick loaded. Special Teams Player returner now. I've I've always had a sauce my friend. He's a you know less than Scott Yeah Yeah. He's five ten. You know what I mean. He's a he's a short dead young man. That's exciting so Virginia State running back legend threatened Canaan deal with answering ankle has a record of Virginia. Stay positive thanks. I would hope so. Virginia's Day player gets the NFL. I would think that he has some where like thirty or forty last year. I'm pretty sure he's wearing like twenty five years. That's better when he was in forty. We had a problem defensive. Lineman Quinn Williams is dealing with an ankle the first round selection for for the jets that could be a hit forum wide receiver to Maria's. Thomas is dealing with a hamstring full participation quarterback. Brian pulled dealing with a groin he has been solid this year quarterback Joe Robertson with an ankle than offensive guard Brian winters who has not been good. He is dealing with the shoulder as well anything from that stained. L. Ended Marius. Thomas got on this football team a brother. They have so many people that I'm just like okay. I guess we're on the jets. Now nobody carries on the Patriots to start the season. I know that has to be true. The I believe so yes is a K. He's had yet do targets reception against Cleveland and then you didn't do anything okay so yes and then he was twenty nine thousand just the jets he's had stats. I don't think they're getting snapped. New England anyway various. Thomas Mann like four hundred days goes again. DT's a good player now. It's just like he's on the jets how quickly that happens. How old is he thirty. Two Wow oh boy that drop off happened for him fast. He had a big entry three four five six. He had six straight seasons with sixteen game. I'm started sixteen games play. He was over a thousand receiving yards in five of the six and then yeah Denver's quarterback situation fell off a cliff his yards per reception went down his targets game went down then there was the the trade Houston the injuries and then bouncing him England bounce to the jets like literally like two seasons the Kelly's that's what it was because two thousand seventeen went to the pro bowl then the trade happen toward the Achilles so I can okay yeah and then cut by the Patriots Retreats August Thirty First Two thousand nineteen okay so wild sequence there but now right so the jets now are having the have a bad roster. That's also missing significant talent so is there's. There's issues with pool. Potentially out is a big deal because now you're GONNA be starting on the outside. Tremaine Johnson who's really been struggling in in an entire jets tenure. You're going to be starting del. Roberts who's taken one hundred percent of their snaps as the other outside corner not very good yeah in the Slot Arthur mullet nate hairston. I mean Nate Harrison hasn't been taken some other outside snap so with pools out. Would you kick Kerstin in and put an outside court. I don't know how well they're cornerback. DEP is equipped to deal with this without shuffling pieces or I mean they traded like a sixth for Hairston a few weeks ago. It's like the eagles starting you know a practice water like Craig James or something ridiculous would never do yeah so it's all bad yeah like Alshon. Jeffery is going to get Darryl Roberts which is right on the these are bad match ups for them yet be you've got from all atoms and Marcus May and so did that the present some issues for Zakar Douse Qatar. Would they'll still win because there's Akerson Dallas Qatar but this is pretty good safeties. You'RE GONNA it'd be able to rotate down to the boss. Play with deals tight ends even without Sean returning. I mean alshon against Tremaine. Al Gore's Mac hollins against Dow Roberts. Nate Harrison is advantage advantage eagles across the board on terms of the the one on one passing matchups that you're getting and then from an outside perspective. I just don't know I mean Jordan Jenkins out for this game. Most Likely Yeah you've Henry Anderson Russia's they're big end who Anderson's like an end plan to eighty five so so not no speak off the whatsoever Kyle Phillips Bronson Capucci. You've brought a Kaufusi is the other big end sort of a guy against the two seventy ninety five soda player and then you have Harvey Langey Frankie Lou these are these are not stars. These are not even like Frankie. Lewis knife a situational glacial player almost teams. You have throw Basha who dehydration. We assume he's GONNA play but this guy was cut by the colts. Jenkins is probably your best pass rusher third round pick anti anti sixteen but he's needed to be improved on sense twenty sixteen. The jets wanted worst sources in the league and are going to be beat up. How are they building team. They have a terrible offense and then they they pay a running back. Twenty seven million dollars guaranteed over four year contract knowing that the hey they were worse than that in the league and adjusted line yards and then. You look got their defensive line. It's all interior guys. That's it. It's Leonard Williams who's having a down year. It's Steve mcclendon. WHO's having a good year but doesn't matter better. You just run away from these guys. You know who's leading their team and sacked right now. Is Jamal Adams now. Listen listen. This is Greg Williams coordinator Defense Jamal Adams. Atoms is at closest fifteen yards off the ball. They put markets may apply but Bush jokes here. It's Never Hewitt Colo Snabel Abel Hewitt. He's they're starting inside linebacker debra who is so UTSA from Miami so in other words a player the Miami didn't want event tells that right now he came over and he came over in twenty eighteen was their backup Mary's evil starter for them coming into the season the two and a half career sacks he has two sacks in this season congrats Hewitt leading the jets and sacks two or three games tremendous. They've gotten solid results. I guess considering the the talent there Greg Williams is going to try to confuse. This past protection with different looks on the front. I think that's the biggest thing that is going to take away from this game. The looks that Greg Williams gives this offense this offensive line in Carson Wentz and how they communicate that pre snap how they recognize that pre snap. How good are they at picking those up picking up what's going to happen and checking into the right place because I think from a pre snapface. Carson Wentz has been very very good this year recognizing things before the snap his he's not Jared Goff. He doesn't have to wait to hear something in his headset. He's actively changing. The place is an active part of the pre snapface for the eagles so I am in that way just as this more as they could have you'll blank number zero zero and just move them around like chess pieces and then see how Carson attacks from there see how the protection deals with them. I think that's the most interesting part of this matchup for right because when Todd Bowles was released which you know is increasingly looking like a tremendous decision and Greg Williams Frisa Awesome Matt and Adam Gays. I Love Todd Bowles. Adam Gates was brought in as the new head coach with him came Greg Williams which if you needed a red flag about Adam Gates with him came Greg Williams Williams was okay so we read a three four with bowls and now we're going to run a four three with Williams. It's never as need is that and it's accordingly accordingly not as neon film because firstly the personnel of this team is such that they run at three four bronze Kaufusi Henry Andersen our big ends those three four ends as the five techniques four tech four techniques. There's not guys that you want landing up in two point stances outside of the tight end. It's not what you're GonNa win and then you have players like they use the rookie quitting Williams affair but it's it's Steve Clendenin as interior to gaffer's these are nose tackles is zero to one technique players quitting can be free. McLennan's Yeah Leonard Williams Twenty fifteen first round pick hasn't been great for them but he's been at his most successful three four defensive event. That's where they've aligned him and he's not a good freeth technique muhaamad either so now you've got personnel for three or four front. Siri Seri- heard me somehow but anyway is a three four front and accordingly Williams incorporates to gap responsibilities which what you typically seen in odd front three three men's of the front five men on the front end incorporates alignments like the four technique in like zero technique which are typified by odd fronts three four alignments. It's so you know the whole Aussies. Scenario was always great. One's GonNa come bring a four three and he hasn't really they've run stuff as close to a fourth around with bowls but go on any bowls film of Tampa Bay right now. You'RE GONNA see four guys in the lines from it right Nickel Yep. This is not so so that we as the last three or four four three are very blurred and the jets it's from a personnel perspective have guys that make more sense on Lux on fronts on alignments that are more typified of odd fronts three four defenses gee. I don't even anything Williams has brought a four three defense to the jets. I'm using say he's done that yet. Now Greg Williams was hired and a couple months later the NFL draft occurred adamant about a month under after that the GM was fired so I think we can all agree that there wasn't much of an effort from the general manager's office to bring in the players to fit the four three we scheme right and this is the thing that we kind of said. What are they doing at the edge physician. They haven't been doing anything. The expedition for years might mechanical was not drafting on the edge I mean why do we think that Joe Douglas was hesitant to take this position in radio so much convincing because there is nothing there when you're talking about the building blocks of an offense outside of a quarterback who is still don't know about yet but it's a high draft pick. Hey can I like him. I like Donald outfits lying even lying you got nothing going on right and so I have to imagine and they went after Anthony Barr this year they fail the chasing that sucks but you have to imagine that one of the things that was discussed when Douglas was brought in was we need to be able to transition this frontal a four three and so we got to remember one figure out what we have with Leonard Williams number to see if we have anything that's that's salvageable on the edge and then number three prepare from the free agency perspective to completely overhauled overhaul the defensive line right and I think that they can you know what I mean. I think we're linebacker. Perspective with Hewitt Moseley V on Rookie Blake Cashman is from playing good reps in in a in relief of Moseley obviously out with injury. I think if you have a high guy like Moseley you can figure it with other pieces. I think I think you can go cashman in Sam Moseley whatever Mike and then Hewitt will be successful so there's your three off ball linebackers ninety exhibit rotating cashman down the Line of scrimmage. We're going to keep those three guys off. All you got to be able to put four guys down and have the penetrate a one gap INC system that Greg Williams wants to run. They don't have those players. They Quinton good start. You're in have anybody anywhere else as I don't know if Williams is that is waves as been a weird evolved at the NFL level so the jets are looking at a multi-player probably multi year expensive rebuild on their front four to get the defense looking the way that Greg Williams of all people wanted to look so you're GonNa Change Danger Personnel Approach to fulfil Greg Williams needs and how long has Greg Williams even GonNa be there anyway and you didn't even mention cornerback. I mean just just using. PF grades at a Baseline Knuckling Gospel but it's pretty bad when when the worst graded players on your team three or four of them or quarterbacks Tremaine Johnson Darrell Roberts the guy named Arthur mullet like out that do they have it all in as a safety corner is a corner pub pool was playing the slot for the nickel right the generalist as is a safe alignment yet. He's been easing good. I like Brian Poole Dallas. There was a quarterback. They shut the whole safety. Things bollocks on mattocks was the safety last year. We're not really but pools and playing well for them in the slot and he's out so that's the one corner guy. That's the thing like not only. Do you have a big rebuild looking ahead of you because you haven't been able to draft defense in the past few years the the coach under whom you're rebuilding is Greg Williams and I don't think Great Williamson Adam Gates around New York for very long and so now you're obviously talented talent on. We're GONNA add players that Greg Williams is looking for and then my dissipations by twenty twenty one twenty twenty a to Greg Williams is gone and now now you know you might be buying yourself in a situation where the defensive coordinator that your head coach wants to bring in is GonNa want different prototypes of different in positions. This is why you have to have alignment between your head coach and your general manager which is why doesn't make sense to hire a head coach have one general manager run a draft and then fired the general manager and and bringing new guy. That's done in shocking news so the jets defense from a from a team building perspective is completely in shambles and I think the offense has has done some good things I mean adding. Jamison crowder helps up player likes a young player like Sam. darnold crowd is very consistent underneath target. They try. A to revamp that offensive line a great deal mean clicky assembly was an ad Ryan fully at Alex Lewis was an ad to Ladoga third round pick they cycled in a bunch of new talent. It takes takes a while to get that right yeah and and a lot of these guys realized they were available like assembly was big ticket but everybody else was kind of not and there's a reason for that is not great talent but they tried to improve the offense line and we know the running backs friends rookie quarterbacks. We know that if you are establishing a good running game lady on Bell's men are part of a good running game many many years. Obviously we know the office line is is a huge part of that button young running next to me big helped quarterback especially running backs with leaving bells receiving profile because again short game working check downs. He's quarterbacks lacks good friend a talented running back especially when it can catch and so I do think the moves have been. They've attempted to make them we could you know let's not forget like. Donald looked guide in we. WanNa can the season Yanyan. A million. Donald had some really nice flashes like this. There's been there's reason for hope on this offense not right now as Donald Mononucleosis on an Oakley houses but with darnold health I think there is so there has been some good thought process on building for the offense. The defense has been in shambles for years years when we come back here on the kiss and show them as Bennet questioned. He has no idea what it is. We'll see how he responds. It's shits right after this. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is. It's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling to on on fashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches which is where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP and we are back here on the kiss and Solex show episode one twenty eight brought to you by Espionage League nation Michael Kissed here with Benjamin selectmen really the only the question I had was any last thoughts on how you think the Eagles offense might attack this Do you agree with my sentiment. The most interesting thing is how the Eagles respond to the different looks from the jets just from a mental antle perspective right now it is. I do think a minute make a joke. That's a half of a take maybe Greg's been right this whole time and if you look at Twenty Nineteen Pass Attempts incomplete passes oppose a twenty eighteen completed passes their heat maps that I saw on twitter teams much more successful completing to the middle of the field this year than they were in previous years which is fascinating has that's not his abated at all and it's hard to explain so where you're going with this is right. Maybe twenty two yards off the line of scrimmage leaving safety. There just in the middle of all time is actually genius because Williams anticipated this offense of evolution to deceive adult. Welcome junior did too that was and that's the thing is that the logic behind calls lengthy invert Tampa too though he's talked about on this podcast is take away that intermediate middle of the field that that concepts are designed to attack because they're stressing the deep middle safety m pulling him deep in the scene row with a go route or whatever her you know you run mills run dagger you run pen and you. WanNa Yankee these riders that stretch that deep metal saved who taught don't let things develop behind you so pull them downfield downfield and then hit something in front of him for a nice chunk gain okay that still works against Greg Williams. That's why it's a joke and not take because you're still instructs that players just his alignment pre-snap makes it so much easier to do things in the middle of the field because you weren't going to be throwing twenty two yards down the field within two minutes of two seconds of the snap anyway 'cause nobody can get down there that fast the alignment for those who don't know. Greg Williams leases demidova field safety deeper than any other defensive coordinator in the entire League to the the point where it's actually quite laughable because you see screen shots of of all time to film even broadcast film where you just can't find the player because he's so far. It's like third into yeah right. There's nothing he's defending. That's valuable now. Area the he's defending is under attack is the reason twenty two was created to anyway. I do think that the eagles who have having a very heavy outside of the hatches passing team this year will probably find more success passing to the middle of the field than they have in recent games cars ones actually very right handed as well. They just run that offense to the right side. I've been able to do more stuff in the middle so that's something that interests me from Eagles offense perspective I do. I am curious curious about obviously this life. There is the big phenomenon eagles running the ball. I don't think they run it nearly as much against the jets because the jets are GonNa match twelve with base base and there are no match eleven with nickel in large Brian poole and so they're down from a player perspective there are three not three but because because Moses out but their linebackers who've been starting this year or healthy pool is on now and so I think that they're they're going to have an opportunity to to match twelve with base and they have to saved. They really likely thinking cover gutter in base so I think it's GonNa be a passing game at its wealth instead of a running twelve which is kind of the the see-saw that exists the offense that you know if you watch the packers game you may not know but that's kind of how how I expect them to attack the jets defense besides that I see Alshon healthy healthy out of the game against the bad bad competition there at cornerback million up against him who who who did we say it was gonna be a roberts down or Tremaine Johnson a WHO like obviously you know Tremaine Johnson's name but he's like not playing that much better than del Robert so maybe this is a big alshon game. We'll see about that Ben. Let's go to the draft kings sportsbook workbook odds and predictions and the things wow what a voice sponsored voice can you can you tell my sponsored voice remember voice so the line and recording this on a Friday morning. The line is thirteen and a half for the eagles over under his forty four with the heck. Did we say that score was been twenty nine fifteen twenty nine fifteen twenty nine the Eagles score over twenty nine points or under you taking the oath retook the under for the jets fifteenpoints qualify that now take the around twenty nine for the easiest which is a very aggressive thing to do which I'm going to do because I do believe that there's going to be a a concerted effort to points on early strong first quarter. I think that if we have an aggressive head coach if the eagles have a multi squirrelly is going to continue to try to build the oldest or lead the eagles haven't blown team out in quite some time yeah I think they'd like to. I'm going thirty four six. What about you thirty six. Wow that's a lot less than fifteen for the jets. I I was thinking more like you know thirty. One Thirteen Nice Pailin dramatic score are there. You would say like thirty three to seven other thirty. One thirteen on the jets couple field goal at the end. We'll give you know Luke Falk and is now seven play forty yard drive that ends up six tenths yeah couple of comeback rounds deep outsor- Sir Robert Anderson up up. You'll you're pushing the over under you coward. Would you go over or under if like regardless of your I hit forty four right off. Have a take I'm going under probably under the eagles are going to put points quick right yeah. I'll under make sense to me that was under for four totals a bit bold when you have an offense like the eagles involved but I I just think the jets are that bad long drive to 'em game heavy running game whether it's working or not at the end who cares. Let's just take it home. GotTa establish got to establish the run like the Seattle Seahawks by the way we talked about that that Seattle Los Angeles game from Thursday. You Know Brian Schottenheimer Magic Number Theory thirty seven twenty twenty six or whatever the heck it is well. That's the balance fifty three runs plus completions as a win. They hit fifty six. The analytics are bumping into cannot deny them. That was nothing's things on analytics is that it relies on buckets or around by arbitrary numbers and this is clearly is is the trending to key in on. Ben Say goodbye to the gentle listeners. I think that's GonNa do it for for this half-hearted admittedly recap if you're just out listening to the kiss and soul I show for the first time this is typically not how recap shows go well. This says not a recap show. It's a previous House. There's that this is not how our preview shows go but this is also the jets. What if you want to know more about what Greg Williams is trying to do from a defense game perspective feel free to hit me on twitter. You don't want to but if you do now it's it's bad football team in the jets. Come coming to town on Sunday and that's okay. The Eagles could go for the gaming. It's a bad football team especially considering the slate that they are looking at week six week ten eleven of the season as they eagles get into their bye week. Obviously an important stretch as stretches are important for a football teams sixteen games that we start to think about the NFC east in about the playoffs. If in joy the show please go ahead rate reviewing subscribe on whatever appeals to your podcasts. If you have any questions of course I'm on twitter at Benjamin Sollac that's relegate. He's on twitter at Michael quickest. NFL THAT'S K. I S. T. on broad. BGN radio main show previews for the Eagles jazz preparing you for this weekend of what should be thrilling Philadelphia football. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you later next week. We all we all we need. Fly Eagles Adam Gates quote here sand almost last night. His spleen quote is not where it needs to be this. This goes back to what I was saying the show right where it's like. 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Vair Jets: A Private Jet Co-Ownership Program Unlike Any Other
"Right now you can get both sprints unlimited plan and the all new Samsung Galaxy S. ten included for just thirty five dollars per month per line for five lines. 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We want to be able to make sure that our clients are getting the top notch people in our community that there are being able to get <hes> savings in opportunities we know what's going on and so I'm really excited to have David bullying hair and Colin Jamison and they're gonNA share us a little bit about <hes> private jet Co ownership program in it's actually the it's new in the U._S.. Right or this company this is you guys are launching the Yes. This is the newest co ownership program within the United States and we're thrilled thrilled that where you get a chance to share more about here on your shit. I just has one quick question. People talk about fractional jets. Can you define the difference between fractional Jetson co-ownership because he said there's some heard of the idea of sort of fractional ownership of something <hes> factually something expensive like a jet but I've never heard co-ownership yes <hes> fractional ownership is is is more along the lines of like netjets one that people are most familiar with flex jet would be another one. There's other competitors out there that to the same thing however they tend to divide <hes> portions about twenty five percent you know sixteen percent whatever twelve percent percents allotments for the CO ownership within the aircraft however co-ownership itself is generally delineated down to someone who either splits the aircraft fifty fifty or maybe goes into a third which is what we offer fantastic we'll before. Are we going to too much detail about the company and what you guys offer David. Why don't you share with us a little bit about your background and who you are briefly? You're absolutely it'd be happy to <hes>. Basically I've been in the industry now for a little over ten years. <hes> initially started flying when I was sixteen actually believe it before that in the mid nineties loved it caught that bug and ended up <hes> let's see will start driving that time this small piper Cherokee one forty and just loved it of course like every kid and <hes> eventually fell into the industry in doing sales and marketing worked with Lombardia Aerospace for a number of years here in Orange County and now we're here starting up this new program veer jets really excited. So how about yourself calling yeah joined the jets team actually last year met up with David and previously was in the yachting industry. Actually we had a CO ownership program that was based in the United States and expanded into Europe and <hes> we're giving that background on a good way to transition into aviation space which Russia had passion for and <hes> so linked up with valujet SONAM here helping out with this sales and marketing aspects of the company well. We're so excited they have you guys here and learn a little bit more about your new ones and what you guys have to offer for. Everyone here locally real excited cited so maybe you guys can share with us a little bit about some private jets and why benefits you guys have to offer absolutely well. They're jets was initially started underneath sti jets which has been in business here John Wayne Airport since two thousand nine and the idea was to help our current owners who may not want to have one hundred percent full ownership of their aircraft or maybe there's somebody who has a smaller portion of with a competitive competing company but want WanNa bump up and so now valujet's fills in that gap in the marketplace. It's perfect for somebody who's looking to help mitigate their overhead costs versus one hundred percent owning around aircraft because there's maintenance there's all sorts of costs that are entailed with that with jets co-owned brand. Now you're able to still have the asset that you can still utilize for your business. You can still offset your costs with with the either the CO owner that comes in with issue or if you both decide that you wanted to also charter it on the side when you're not using it then that helps to lower cost even more so so it's it's the best of all worlds for that niche market. That's great absolutely I can see that being a benefit at the end of the day. If it's not sitting there and you don't mind other people using it you might as well have some <hes> someone helped with offsetting some because oh that's fantastic anything else that you wanted to add to that calling talked about brief visit benfits a private aviation in in private travel <hes> mostly we see especially with there is the time in money that you save with our program <hes> compared to our competitors and home ownership as well <hes> but also with chartering <hes> charting very common in the industry and we've seen in some instances we save our us. He's up to forty five percent on some trips <hes> compared chartering with our jets co-ownership program. That's really the substantial so you're saying up to forty five percent and stay savings correct on certain trips cracked and compared with certain competitors got it. That's fantastic. I love that's like to me that's music to my ears because I love knowing that I'm saving money and then also I love knowing that I can help me on my side. I can help direct clients and saying hey you have these private jets. There's ways that you can reduce your costs and offset. Ah that's that's absolutely fantastic so what are some of the different options that they can use to offset <hes> private flying as he briefly talked about before there's a couple of different options Z. commonly in the industry first and foremost being chartering. I see lobule utilizing this most people who travel less than one hundred hours per year. It's more of like type scenario compared to a by scenario break it down real quick sorry to interrupt civil chartering so if I'm just just listening what does that it really mean. If I'm chartering an airplane so chartering aircraft is if you just you need a private aircraft for the weekend. Maybe maybe you're going to aspen. Maybe you're going to New York. Whatever you need to have a private aircraft take you there and back and you're essentially Ashley utilizing that aircraft for that time that you have it for you? Don't WanNa have any of the responsibility of owning the aircraft you just WanNa go but you WanNa have maybe your closest friends and just get away or business trip and get away and be able to handle business and then returned safely but you don't want to deal with going. Going through T._S._A.. LONGLINES cancellations being delayed or right okay so that's charter sorry to continue. I just want to be able to people understand what all these terms are that we're we're GonNa make ownership great again. That's right definitely as even touch on earlier to the second category you're co-ownership also your fracture membership offerings today really focusing on the CO ownership aspect with their jets as we touched on earlier as well. We're looking at a two to three owners coating the jet also mitigating their expenses or inducing by fifty sixty six percent okay ongoing fixed expenses so say I want to own this with your saying two to three different. People walk me through that. What does that look like? I'm saying hey do. I have to bring all three parties. Do you guys help arrange that or just saying hey. I'm really interested in aviation ownership and this is what I want. What does that local glad you ask that question it basically it? Yes it would be three partners. If you didn't have a partner partner we would help provide that partnership and that's part of what we do as we really Taylor <hes> finding the right schedule for each of the clientele. That's GONNA come in and become a part owner of this particular aircraft whatever aircraft that may be limited any aircraft type we can make anything happen as far as the type of aircraft and <hes> size and things like that so essentially what we would find like say for example. I know some clients who only travel on the weekends I know of other clients who only travel on the holidays as I know some clients that only travel on weekdays the ideas pair all of those together make the scheduling a lot easier. We have a master calendar on our online portal for owners which makes life so much easier to book the aircraft it takes all the pain of private aircraft ownership out of the equation all the benefits save time save money and and all the luxury of of having a private aircraft so neat really appreciate you guys just elaborating a little bit more sharing with that looks like and kind of getting into the details of all that so who so as far as the pilots and arranges all that you guys arranged who's going to be actually flying these we do airplanes we do everything is looked. After you don't have to worry about the crewing you don't have to worry about the captains were is bail status <hes> <hes> above and Beyond and industry standard. We're platinum certified argus rated <hes> were wing wavering wingmen. We we have all of our our boxes tech. When it comes to safety we have an untarnished safe if safety record and so all those aspects looked after for the customer they have to worry about it? I love that that's absolutely helpful. So what if I wanted to fully own an airplane instead of just co-ownership what does that look like no definitely that's also option as well <hes> really see for travel over two hundred hours per year that really need full control their calendar <hes> most business owners and they really need to control their calendar last minute meetings and so forth and this really need an enhanced flexibility so that'd be ideal for someone like like that can help with that as well. Yes Oh neat okay great. So why would someone choose co-ownership versus just ownership outright like I just asked in general well. There's IT'S A it's a niche audience so essentially for those who maybe they already own one hundred percent of larger aircraft and that's all they have so would it make sense to take that larger aircraft out of John Wayne and flight up to San Luis Obispo probably not that's not your best cost effective route to take however if you were to have a smaller aircraft such as citation encore something that seats eight passengers or so <hes> that would make much more sense from an operational standpoint but maybe you don't justify the need because you don't fly that route that often however this is where the co-ownership comes into play refined one. Maybe two other people that are also doing the same thing and then you come in and you split fantastic that makes sense so then if you're we're going to do it versus charter. What does that look like well charter called you WanNa take this sure <hes> when it comes to charter and you're getting charged with premium once again it's just for that one time us for the aircraft so get in charge of premium for just for the convenience factor of it all <hes> as we talked about before <hes> with the co-ownership program? You're actually get a lot lower all in hourly rate as well on our citation on-court which you've seen once again anywhere from thirty to forty five percent compared to charter so you get significant cost savings perfect so we also had call in someone's just trying to verify what's the difference between there and some of your competitors was that the caller that just came in right behind call back in <hes> take two or yeah definitely I mean there's a lot of differentiation between us in our competitors <hes> the biggest thing for us as were true ownership model we really provide a clear and transparent model for people that want to own jet get the benefits of whole ownership wall so reducing their cost and getting the same benefits reducing your costs from fifty to sixty six percent of a whole owner whole aircraft ownership and really those benefits and plenty other benefits which David can elaborate on as well right well. If it's for business I mean the whole purchase prices right off say you have that for tax benefits. <hes> the other aspect is of course. There's one thing that you can never by Rockefeller said it buffet has said it. You cannot buy back your time. You're lost time. Is something something you can never get back and private aircraft ownership or co-ownership gives you that time back it increases your productivity. It gets you there faster even increase quality of life for fraction of the price yeah. That's so perfect so I'm GonNa just stop for a second and we're gonNA take a break real quick and then we'll be right back with more than twenty five years of experience barks comprehensive perspective has earned earn declan from clients across the globe gain access to lessons learned through arts career by following at Bart Zandbergen on Instagram to learn more about Bart Zandbergen as an adviser Mentor and Public Speaker Her and for more information on OP divest wealth management please visit W._w._w.. Dot Bart Zandbergen Dot Com when you use the premier rewards gold card from American express the rewards points can keep on multiplying by three agree with triple points on airfare to with double points on gas and groceries and a single point for pretty much every other dollar you spend on the card then start using over a million rewards to redeem. All those points apply today in the annual fee for the first year is on us of call one eight hundred a X._p.. Gold Visit X._P.. 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I never even been in a in a private jet and I'm hoping we'll talk about the experience a little bit here not just the Freedom I get it your time in your freedom or anything but what what is in private jet what to describe the luxury that you guys who wants to tackle that I'll start <hes> gladly so if you're looking to. I'll touch upon price just in this much here if you were to purchase a brand new G. Five Fifty A._G.. Six fifty global express you're looking at a ballpark range between sixty five million and seventy million brand new at wow. That's just the purchase price. That's that's not the cost of maintenance. It's not the cost of fuel and it's not the cost of having your you're on your own flight department right so it's the pilot your pilots your your your your flight attendant and coordinator if need be and so some people actually have those just sitting around on call waiting for yes <music> on south of their payroll. I see that in the clients balance sheet so I'm very familiar with that's why I was asking hey. Do you guys coordinate that so that makes them right so that's what you're looking at. If you were looking to purchase noon then the next tear down of course preowned you have a pre-owned market. That's currently currently out there that you can find on controller dot com or any other number of resources and what you'll find. There's depending on what aircraft best fits your your needs. Maybe only fly with three or four passengers at the most okay well that greatly diminishes is the price point because now you don't need as large aircraft so you're looking at the pre market what normally would have cost. Maybe twenty million is now. Maybe only down to five okay depends on what age and how much time is on the aircraft and what needs to be done to it so that kind of gives you a nutshell the types the pricing you're dealing with if you were to get into a preowned aircraft that's co owned do the math three co owners that come in on an aircraft that normally cost two and a half million May. It's a lot more affordable in easier to get an any don't have to worry about the maintenance or the time that's not even going on the that's just the plane in the maintaining it right and what does that run. I mean look I know we've had people come and talk about yacht. You were in the industry that it just starts with the boat. Then you've got the slip and you gotta take it out periodically and scrape it and do all sorts. It's all things to it and Redo the engine so often and all that I would think jets would be a lot of the same thing you know. Give somebody an idea what how much effort and time they would put into it if they apples and how often do you have to take the engines apart and all that kind of stuff yeah I mean we touch on there with immigrants yachts. I mean it's one of the things you hear. The common saying the best time is when you buy and sell your yacht I just exactly exactly but <hes> but when when it comes to the general rule of thumb is Ron ten percent of the acid values what you're looking to spend in regards to maintenance and managing the vessel enforcement we saw here locally and actually globally as a lot of guys the by their yacht and just sits there and just kind of unfortunately rots way. They don't get a a US enjoy it <hes> because it's beautiful it looks good good behind the house in Newport beach but other than that you know <hes> but from there that's where we saw the need for the CO ownership model even in the auto industry is because people just let their boats there now you can actually pay the time Um you use in you have available and makes a lot more attractive and incentivize people to go out there and start using them. I love the idea that you have the flexibility and you're not tied down to one specific plane forever. You have the ability to make changes if you want to and that's another key point for people who have not really had experienced beyond the charter side. Maybe they haven't had any charter experience. Maybe they finally just fell into some wealth that they didn't have before and they think hey I've always wanted my private plane but let me tell you something I've heard of horror stories people getting eating into it for the first time not knowing what to contend with hey I found this great preowned aircraft <hes> online or whatever Amir half million dollars. I think that sounds great. Let's do they buy it and it only to find out it needs a million and a half dollars worth of maintenance on it to keep the thing going so that's the other aspect that we offer we offer sound professional advice coupled with Sti jets valujet's <hes> we we look after our client base we make sure that they don't make foolish decisions and we make sure that they get we get them into the right fit. That's just for them. In Ver- needs not not ours late in the in the end everybody wins may so my clients a lot of them are about an experience and they liked the privacy and they want to be able to go from point eight point B. and sometimes they don't have a lot of time. They don't want to waste a lot of their business time waiting in line for these are some of the reasons why they just want to get on a plane and go toss what that experience is. If I was a client coming in with you guys coming in with us you're GONNA have from from start to end MHM phenomenal experience. You're going to have a leaps and bounds above our competitors in that for example. I had a former client of mine with the former company that I used to work with who I can convince him to come over and try us out he. He got off that here just doing a simple flip to aspen back did a trip with his with his family had a great time but he said David from from the minute of that. I started scheduling it was easy. I didn't have to do very much. I essentially had to make one call one email confirmation done yeah and he was. He's just trying out for the first time. He wasn't a CO owner yet. He gets on plane. Family loves it now. It's a smaller plan so you didn't and have a flight attendant on board but he made sure that all the catering that he wanted was already on boarding advance. He didn't have to ask for anything anything. You want you want five star food. You got it even drinks drinks. We got exactly we'll do it. In whatever the customer one would like. That's what we we cater to and so anyway long story short which is already going long had a great trip flew back. Everything was on time our pilots inform them. They make sure that everything's things up to speed. Are dispatchers are are on the top of their game. They always meant let them know. If there's going to be a slight possibility of there's something being an early arrival or later arrival but we're only almost always on time to the point of like a window of plus or minus five minutes so I mean you're looking at top notch service topnotch. You're not gonNA have any unexpected quagmire that are going to get your way of your trip. That's great so is there anything else that our audience really needs to know. So why they would work with you guys what some of it like I know we've talked about just maybe in summary some of the savings some of the objectives maybe overall you know why you guys and how is it going to help them. How's it going to help their bottom line? Just kind of a recap yes David touchtone briefly to earlier is just the increase productivity in revenue generation that can have helped with a business <hes> you can hit multiple locations in one trip. <hes> some people even reported that some that would take three days not only takes eight hours their day multiple locations. You have access to smaller areas smaller airports. You have no layovers and so just once again allows you to be more productive inefficient with your time increased revenue in increased customer service ears piggyback you back on that you say for example maybe wheels up customer. You're used to king or three fifty which is a turboprop engine great aircraft great for shorter-range trips not ideal for longer inch trips you can get from from John Wayne Airport to Aspen in back in in a third of the time that it would take a king or three fifty to do within a small jet aircraft which is what we specialize in <hes> and on top of that not only are you saving time in the air but you're also saving on your hourly cost as an example compared here because you're not in the years long and our rates are again anywhere from forty forty five percent less expensive than what you would already be spending in a program such as that competitor that just named so great appreciate that so Paul. They seem to click twitter question. Can You <hes> somebody's I think you can do this with yachts again. Never owned a yacht but I think if you somehow qualify they'll take you out and sort of on give you a little test run and you can try. Whenever is there a try before you buy? Can they go up open fly in different planes. Do they have to charter him and figure that out themselves highway between charter and we call it a demo flights. It'll be reduced rate the the program rate to be offered that as an incentive to try it out yeah and then if they ended up coming into the program program is co owner we would actually <hes> defy refund back the difference in pricing as well and let me ask you a question personal question. I'm I'm a big flight buff to know that the Honda has gotten into corporate jets and they've really made a splash with a smaller caller more fuel-efficient. It's faster to or whatever talk about some of the differences in jets. It's not just the same old lear jets that we grew up with Gulfstream's or whatever right Honda jet did a beautiful job with that aircraft designed it took them a number of years is to finally get off the assembly line very efficient very quiet because of the design with the engines coming off of the the actual wings as opposed to the fuselage in the back so it's a very quiet ride. We don't have Honda jets however if we had co owners who are interested in getting Honda jet. We would certainly make that happen again. We're not limited to any aircraft type. We can work with any and all of somebody likes textron. We'll go textron. Somebody likes Gulfstream. Go Gulfstream bombarded bombarded <hes> so and so forth and Honda jet would be another example of that <hes> mainly. We're we're focusing on the light jet market which is comprised with our initial fleet right now within the citation encores <hes> but again we're not limited limited to that so <hes> there have vastly expanded horizon of choices in life focus there. Is it just ease of use or is it what people prefer the better experience. It's it's a tested tried and true aircraft for one. The operational costs on it is very very low. It's I mean when you compare it from the jet market to the turbo prop market. Yes it's higher than a turboprop because a turboprops this lesser expensive to operate however you look at the gap between the two. It's it's not that much of a differential so somebody buddy who's looking to step up from a turbo prop and get into the jet market. This is the easiest way to get in into your point earlier. If somebody wants to try it. They don't like the aircraft they WANNA get out and get into a different aircraft. We can easily make that happen for them again to our client base. I love to hear that so <hes> I'm just gonNA wrap up here. Is there anything we always ask every single guests that comes into this show. What's your ultimate lesson learned? Maybe you can apply that personally. Only in your business something that you guys would each like share. I don't know calling you WanNa Start <hes> yeah I think he's really comes down to <hes> this your priorities. We're looking to accomplish. There's whether we see with families one and it's been more time with their family being closer their family more more access to other family members or business and just kind of learning what needs for the customer Lincoln to learn and know about our customers and the businesses that Iran just really choosing what's best for them whether looking to accomplish because David mentioned we encounter a lot of different <hes> clients have different for needs and wants and just really kind of learning understanding what they're trying to accomplish and trying to meet that objective for them that's great and how about you David. I would actually <hes> concur with that and it's it's funny you mentioned that with relationships. I think that's key to have that that firm trust I can think of two people off hand that stand by that had can mola's of Molson company. That's the way he treats all this client base. You'll get buried diller. I watched a recent interview of him on Yahoo Finance <music> on their channel <hes> and couldn't stress enough and underscore enough it is the relationship and honest relationship whether good or bad or in between to make certain that the customer is looked after the client base feels comforted that they're good <hes> and to have that forthrightness of this is what you have here and present that to them yeah. That's absolutely and we opted absolutely are the same way you know. Our clients are always I. If there's any way that we can take care of them so I think this is a great synergy and there's it can work together and help our clients or your clients fantastic and in the guide you guys are here today. Thank you so much how they can find you guys can find us at our website is <hes> their jets dot. com Tom the I. R. J. E. S. DOT COM. Their jets DOT COM okay. There is spelled V. Eight just like the Air V. A. R. Right okay. Thank you guys so much. 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This is probably a bigger crapshoot than what we deal with players because we know even less about what these guys do in our given even less information. And that's the way we want it. Like, that's what's become abundantly clear in the last couple of days is that we're out here rewarding. The smallest sample sizes that we can and that some decision makers, but that's also some people that are reading the news as well. Because yesterday, I'm sitting around we had another rash of head coaching hirings in the NFL yesterday Adam gays hired by the New York Jets. Freddie kitchens promoted from within. Now the Cleveland Browns head coach and Vic Fangio hired away. The former bears defensive coordinator now the head coach of the Denver Broncos. So we had all that happened yesterday. And I could already hear we're out here in Connecticut. I could hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from New York about two and a half two hours away from here. Pretty solid drive on most days didn't even have to make the trip to hear the sound of angry jets fans that the lebatardshow repurpose into the sounds of hell the wailing and gnashing of teeth because people looked within the division. They saw Adam gay said he losing. Record by a couple of games and said, oh, why are we hiring this guy? Why are we going to go out here and get us an atom gays ESPN NFL jets reporter rich Somany join Allan the Allan Hahn show on nine hundred seventy SPN yesterday and talked about the disgruntle jets fan base yet fans, I think are going nuts right now. I had a Twitter survey. I think seventy percent of the fans were against this decision. And you don't get it. You know with the bad optic because you've taken an also ran from your division, a guy who just got fired, you know, with a twenty three and twenty five record, and you're making them your head coach. But it get the ink jet fans for sure person last Michael junior here on ESPN radio. I don't like again, look at this situation in particular. What have we been hearing all leading up to this? They might McCarthy was only pursuing this job in this job alone in the New York Jets that he had put everything else off to the side. But McCarthy who now has made it clear that because the jets job is off the table. It's going to take the year off and much to the joy and celebration of his family. It sounds like to which is a reminder of what everyone else around these coaches deals with. But when you're looking at Mike McCarthy or Adam gays, I would like to apply these small sample size to this. But people look once you get a Super Bowl, and they treat you differently. That's judgment metric number one. Is no matter how you got that Super Bowl. And no matter what we've seen from you lately. Once you've won a Super Bowl. You're always a Super Bowl winning coach. You are always a Super Bowl winning player. You are always given that benefit of the doubt. Despite what recent evidence might show because if you look at the last three years of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay and the three years that Adam. Ace was in Miami with dolphins. They are nearly identical. Both have a single playoff appearance in that three year span both out with injuries at the quarterback position. Both were about seven and nine six and ten in the other two seasons. Besides that playoff appearance when both boasted a ten six record. The difference is Adam gays did that in Miami with Ryan Tanna hill when he was healthy. And Mike McCarthy did it with Aaron bleeping Rogers who we expect a little bit more of and had a little bit more of around there. When it came to stability as an organization when it came to all the things that also bleed into these situations. But then all right. Let's bring in Freddie, kitchens to this conversation as well. Freddie kitchens promoted from within the Cleveland Browns head coach down. Freddie kitchens. Who began the year is the Cleveland Browns running backs coach and associate head coach before obviously Todd Haley, Hugh Jackson shown the door. Freddie kitchens. Promoted offense coordinator run of unparalleled success with Baker Mayfield down the stretch of the season. Right. Mary Kay, Cabot of Cleveland dot com. Join Spain and Fitz last night and talked about some of the things that went into that excess and most notably the one thing that we all acknowledge about this off season in coaching decision. Is that it's about the relationship with the quarterback who burned a really well. With Baker Mayfield. Those guys got along Geary. Well, they had a mutual trust and respect on the field. They have a really funny relationship off the field, and in the meeting rooms where they you know, they kid around with each other. They have a really really nice with four Bakersfield super comfortable with him. And let's face it. The Cleveland Browns right now are all about Baker Mayfield the next decade or so in their minds is all about Baker getting them to the playoffs and two championships. So whatever he feels comfortable with right now that they're going to trend toward that first. You're on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance drivers switched to progressive. Conceive an average of six hundred sixty eight dollars. I did not hear very many complaints about the idea of Freddie, kitchens being promoted to the head coach the other day, and I get it. Because we understand what this off season has been about is about putting young quarterbacks in the capable hands of people that have demonstrated either a relationship with or an ability to develop that position that is where Adam gaze falls into going to New York young quarterback and Sam darnold guy, and Adam gays who has been tied to and heavily recommended by quarterback saw that there were reports the Peyton Manning called New York and recommended Adam gays the guy that he had worked with in Denver. We know Adam gaze said also been one tied to Jay Cutler, and some of the best seasons that quarterback had had the most efficient seasons that he had had an obviously most recently the work in Miami. With a very rarely healthy. Ryan tannehill. I say all that to say this. We fall victim to this. All the time is Freddie kitchens who spent a little more than a decade near Zona before that as tight ends coach is a quarterbacks coach before coming over to Cleveland. You don't know what? Freddie kitchens is head coach. And most of you would prefer it that way. That's the that's the read I get because you've now seen enough of Adam gays to say, yeah, he's got head coaching experience. Which by the way, I saw yesterday that he's the first jets head coach with head coaching experience since what was who's the last jets head coach they hire with head coaching experience. I'll have that for you in a second because I saw that floating around, but it's been enough of a gap to where that might be a welcome respite at this point. But instead, you think, you know, one of seen enough to say, no, we're going to put that guy out of the curb. But the Freddie kitchen tire on the other side you've seen enough of. And it's looked good enough for everyone to say. Oh, yeah. That'll work. It's the same thing. We're doing in college football right now with Trevor Lawrence because I heard it up and down yesterday. Trevor Lawrence the national championship winning quarterback of the Clemson Tigers. Who's nineteen years old wanted a true freshman looks the part acted the part during their title run, all these different things. But he's got to stay in school for two more years, and you the what's going to happen. Trevor Lawrence going to have a few bad games next year. I Trevor Lawrence will probably have three games next year where he looks less than the Greek God that we have built him into. And you know, what's going to happen? You're going to start asking questions because you did the same thing with two of this year. The same exact thing were to a could do no wrong to a ton of I lo-. Alabama's quarterback was the runaway Heisman Trophy winner. In the first half of the season and the overall number one pick the next year and people were going to take. For two and all this stuff. And then he has a couple of bad games down the stretch of the season where he is banged up and having ankle surgery right after the end of the regular season. And everyone's all ready to jump ship on that one in everyone's already asking questions 'cause that's all it takes. And so we're going to do that head coach to and we're going to do that in a spot where none of us know, what's actually going to be successful from this group ahead. Go just we can all look at things and have an idea, we can all have an opinion. We're all entitled that hell I'll sit up here and give you opinions. But the bottom line is I'm continually amazed at the way. That we will sit and reward the much smaller sample size or the championship from years ago. But in between that. You don't give us what we're looking for now out eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six jet fans. How we feel in this morning. Because I I got to say from the outside looking in seeing this higher when it was billed as Mike McCarthy, or this seems like a pretty solid or for me, this at least seems he's a young guy. Bring some energy in obviously had some difficulty in Miami. But we also don't know the difficulty that was going on within their this is rarely very rarely the fault all on one side. Even though it seems like everyone wants to make this out to be Adam gates was the only thing that failed in Miami. And last podcast unhappy with the atom gays hiring before we even have the guys step foot in the building. And the more and more. I look at it the more I look around at some of the names that have been hired already in the NFL as we filled six NFL head coaching vacancies. And I look at the rest of that group who else was interviewed. I think jets fan we're going to be unhappy with whoever got picked short of the second coming. I think jets fans we're going to be upset. It's first and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. And I just sometimes am not sure what we think we actually know on our side. I did it's the job and we get in here. And we offer up opinions. But man, sometimes it's okay to say, especially when we look at coaches like we all try and predict players at least we get to watch game film of them. And we get to see them at the combine. And we get all these measurable 's coaches are like icebergs, man. We don't see ninety nine percent of what these guys are doing in a building. And yet because we see a record that is certainly tied to them. The bottom line is production all these things. But man, we make judgments blind a lot of times on this. And a lot of situations. I firmly believe it seems like we prefer it that way. Mark in Virginia, you're on first and last of my goal junior. What's going on? Yeah. Like, I was explaining that. What do they do who's in charge of the in office? What are these people thinking about, you know, we've been having losing season for some years and every opportunity that we get to try to get a decent player decent coach. It's just like they over past. And they don't they don't make right judgment, man. It's just like they just they to me. It just seems that they more interested in the money to keep the franchise going instead of trying to create a dynasty way. E first off the one thing I always kind of remind myself with ownership is you are running a business. Like, I understand that from their end that profit is still something that can and should matter in these situations, but an effort to win doesn't seem to be the issue with Adam gays. It's just having the recent proof, which again who of who was in this talent pool who of this current pool of head coaches was going to do it for you. Maybe that's my question to jets fan tour disgruntled, and you can join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six who was going to do it for you? I saw clip Kingsbury was in the building. We just got done roast in the cardinals for in him because everyone thinks he just got on the door because he was pretty. Was that gonna do it was he going to be a little was he gonna fit better because it was New York, and that stuff will be a little more. Okay. Like was that going to do it because I look around to the rest of the names on this? Listen, I'm not sure was Vic Fangio going to excite jet fans without going to be the one where you looked and said, yeah. Because of the recent and Vic Fangio's a guy that's been doing it the NFL and a high level for a while. And I feel like now just getting glowing because the bears defense was that good this last year. Bruce Arians coming back done it for you. I I don't know. I'm looking like that one seems like the only one that I can say because Matt leflore like you would have looked at him and what he did at Tennessee and probably not been overly impressed. Eight seven to nine three seven seven six. It's first and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. A situation that is getting increasingly more interesting to me is Cuyler Murray, and what's going on with his choice between baseball and football Cuyler Murray, the Oklahoma Heisman winning quarterback from this season was a part of their birth McCollum football playoff. Kyla murray? Has made it clear now that he is entering the twenty nineteen NFL draft now on the surface. You hear that and say decision made Cuyler Murray had to choose to enter the draft. He was an underclassmen the Oakland A's the team in major league baseball that drafted Cuyler Murray in the top ten of the major league baseball draft still expects him to show up for spring training at the end of February. But Kyle Marie at least giving himself the option at this point. And that's become the fascinating bit of this. Is that Kyle Murray taking the option seems to keep falling in line with all these reports here that he is more and more interested in the possibility of playing football that he is more and more open to this idea. Trying to stick it out. And seeing now that he's got the bug. Maybe I I don't know. What's changed for a kid that came into the season four million dollars richer because his baseball prowess landed him that high in the draft in a sport that is going to do considerably less damage to your body overall and one that physically quite frankly, his makeup is more built for at this point. But then we go through the season in the production is unbelievable. And he is a sensation in college football. And he is the electrifying driver of an offense that puts up unbelievable numbers that ultimately nets him with the Heisman Trophy. And so now. Kylo Murray who Todd mcshay Mel kiper said could be a first round pick. And Chris Mortensen are ESPN NFL reporter said Wednesday that was getting first round feedback regarding the NFL. Keeping an open mind about this, which I can understand like I can understand keeping an open mind up until a certain point baseball for anyone who's played football. The overwhelming feeling has always been man. But yet at baseball money fully guaranteed. You're doing a lot less damage like see Jeff's Marga, former Notre Dame wide receiver who made that decision many moons ago and seem better for it. Jeff passan are ESPN major league baseball insider went on sportscenter yesterday to talk about the biggest questions surrounding Cuyler Murray's future. Now, we'll an NFL team choose him in the first round will they guarantee him that eight plus million dollars and really entice into play sport that a lot of people who know Kyle Mary expect him to love more than they do baseball. And if they give him that possibility is he going to just not be able to turn it down. That's the big question with him four point six six million dollars is a lot of money to turn your back on. But. If if you have a sport that you love like he does football potentially more than baseball can't he'd turn away from it. That's the question at this point. And quite frankly, if you're doing the math on that one what he could make on a first round NFL contract as a quarterback fully guaranteed. Is pretty substantial. And if you're doing the math on that could the risk be worth at understanding the other side of that is injury. And all these things that are uncertain as would still hold his baseball rights, even if you did want to try football. I there's something I can't seem to get over there. But it's not my life. It's his and I'm getting more and more inclined to believe the column or is probably going to pick the NFL we keep hearing a lot of smoke eventually. And I know I'm borrowing a metaphor from our friend will Cain. We might have to acknowledge that there's a fire in this building. And last the podcast. Indeed knows it's hard to find qualified candidates when you're hiring. It's like finding a unicorn, but when you post your job on indeed, it's easy to find people with the skills, you need nurse practitioner for plus years experience acute care certification. Indeed has a huge pool of amazing candidates. And screener tools that help you find your most qualified applicants oh. An entire shortlist of unicorns. Now could a fifty dollars credit to give your first job. Posting premium placement at indeed dot com slash credit. Terms, conditions, quality standards and usage. Limits apply. Additional terms online first and last the podcast decisions decisions. In this NFL offseason. It seems like every team is looking up at the head coach that their team is put in place and believing that they have made the wrong decision for one reason or another. But when you think about what's driving all these. I don't know what else you expect because the current landscape of the NFL is dictating a lot. And you've got a few teams that are trying to buck the trend, and we will get to one team that made the most notable zig while the rest of the NFL zagging in just a little bit. It's first and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and ESPN app right now. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts, and one of the things that has come up as we've discussed the head coaching hirings in recent days, and we came into this off season with eight NFL head coaching vacancies right now, we have filled six of them. So. Just an updated list for everybody the Bronco the Green Bay Packers hired Matlock floor. The New York Jets have hired Adam geese the cardinals cliff Kingsbury the buccaneers Bruce Arians the Browns. Freddie kitchens and the Broncos Vic Fangio, which leaves the Cincinnati Bengals and the Miami Dolphins as the only two remaining head coaching vacancies. We have seen that these decisions have been largely tied to young quarterbacks quarterbacks in general, really you could argue have been the driving decision maker behind five of these six. Because you look five of these six come with offense background heavy offense of backgrounds. The Packers trying to maximize Aaron Rodgers golden years. The buccaneers trying to save Jameis Winston and the jets the cardinals and the Browns all dealing with rookie record bags coming off of their rookie year who they want to develop into their franchise players and wanted to task offense of minds people with good relationships in order to do that you understand that is the driving decision maker behind. What goes on here? Largely if you've got a rookie quarterback the trend in the NFL has been you've gotta get an offensive signal caller in the room with him. Why? Because they're hiring Matla floors after a year where you don't even show all that much. Like, I just think about that for a moment. The Browns hiring. Freddie kitchens kind of tells you that a lot of people were campaigning for Greg Williams down the stretch of that season because of the job he did as a head coach leading all that. And they say well you keep Freddie kitchens on as your offensive coordinator. And let him do his job with Baker Mayfield. You let him do those things that it made him so successful there. Well, that sounds great in theory until it's not because then the margin or the Jude say the burden of proof for an offensive play caller in the NFL right now it's much lower than defense. But I mean, look at Vic Fangio who just got the Broncos job had to go out there and have the number one defense in the league running away to get this head coaching look, and that's after years of doing it a high level in San Francisco when they were going to the playoffs and making those great runs and doing it on a high level in Chicago leading up to this. It took that much on the other side. Matt leflore was connected to Sean McVay, which we know is huge had been around and not been the signal caller at a couple of spots. But now called the plays for a year in Tennessee. Was about twenty second offense of DNA so moderate success. If that and now he is the head coach of the Green Bay Packers because offense is the priority. So we understand that as the driving force here. And I don't begrudge teams because if you hire a defensive head coach and bring in this offense of mine to work with your young player. There's a chance he could be gone because head coaching is going to offer you more control and money, and the NFL is still figuring out their way around that. The problem is diverse effect on who we hire the Rooney rule becomes a subject of conversation. Pretty much every year in how it goes into practice and its actual level of effectiveness, but this year, especially where we saw an overwhelming amount of African American head coach is shown the door, and none higher now as head coaches in this round people have a lot of questions. Understandably, so. Dan, Gazi on or ESPN NFL insider talked yesterday on sportscenter about a rule that is not working of the eight coaches that were fired five or minority coaches. And as you mentioned, none of the five that have been hired so far to replace them have been minority coaches. So we'll see what happens with these last three vacancies. But either way it's clear that the Rooney rule is not doing its job. Now, the ruining Rooney rule doesn't require teams to hire minority coaches. It does require them to interview them and these teams are doing that. But I think what we're seeing is this run of offensive coordinator's getting head coach jobs, and when you talk to people around the league, one of the points, you here is that offensive coordinator's quarterback coaches. There aren't that many of those that are minority coaches. So the pipeline kind of has to be refilled from the bottom up teams need to start considering minority candidates for some of these lower level positions. So that when they ascend to the point of head coaches, they can be. Considered for those jobs right now that is not where the league is. And it definitely is a bad. Look I last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, and as we often point out the disparity between the makeup of the league player wise that is almost seventy percent African American and the make up of league coaching wise that looks anything. But at this point in time, Dan is underscored what's at the heart of this. Because a lot of people here. The talk about the Rooney rule. And it makes everyone very sensitive to have this conversation. Because anyone anytime race gets brought up in this internalizes. And assumes that I'm calling you a racist for making this decision. No. But it's knowledge in that right now, we have a system that has Dan pointed out in these side of the ball that tends to be get the most head coaches. We have an ignore. We have a disproportionate amount. Of white coaches on that side of the ball versus African American coaches distributed. Elsewhere how you remedy that? I'm not sure. But so when we assess the Rooney rule every year, we have to realize that people talk about what is it doing enough? It probably is in a laser aimed at the right target at this point. And how you retool that? I'm not sure how you promote that as a much more systemic issue that we don't have answers to. But it is an issue. It's just one that we can't quite fix now. And that's okay to admit. But it's okay to knowledge that there is something there. Because blindly saying that has nothing to do with it or plays. Absolutely no role at all in my mind is just trying to avoid discomfort that shouldn't be there. You shouldn't be internalizing it in a way that I feel like a lot of people are it at eight seven to nine three seven seven six triple eight say ESPN you want to touch with us on the shell Pennzoil performance. Let's go to Louis in Brooklyn Lewis, you're on first and last with my goal of junior. How are we feeling about Adam gates in New York this morning? I'm actually with the pick. Good morning, Mike and avenue. Licko family. Thank you to you. I'm like the pick. I think I think what it is is ever. Fan for forty something years. I think what is the most fans are numbered with McCarthy name of Green Bay and what he did the Super Bowl ring and the playoff record. But my reservation was one it deteriorated fat on him this year and to how much of his quote unquote greatness was because of him or was it because Aaron Rodgers. So personally, I like the pick. If Peyton Manning vouchers for you cosigned, do I rather listen to paying manning Philo jet fan to be honest with you my only question for you is two things. One hasn't been announced. How many years I'm gave has and to how much control and once again. Thank you very much for the call. We appreciate we appreciate you calling in this morning. I have not seen years on this deal yet for Adam gays control is going to be an interesting one because I saw yesterday Matt rule the current Baylor head coach a guy with a lot of NFL ties and respect with someone who is up for the jets job ultimate. Decided to stay put in Baylor. And I saw a rumblings that part of the reason was the jets wanted to pick his offense coordinator, and he wanted to have more control over his own staff. So we were it remains to be seen how much control Adam gays will have around there, and that is an area of concern. Absolutely. I would look at that group. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six and just one more note on the McCarthy thing 'cause I wanna make it very clear. Yes. Mike McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning head coach. But again, you look at recently here, I think all of us will acknowledge that even as he has age Aaron Rodgers in the last three years greater than signed greater than signed greater than sign. Ryan tannehill think we can all say that much. But in the last three years the Green Bay Packers record ten six seven and nine six nine in one this year the Miami Dolphins record under Adam gates in that time ten and six six and ten seven and nine both teams made the playoffs once during. That stretch both in two thousand sixteen both when boasting ten and six records. During that time period. Aaron Rodgers played sixteen games in two thousand sixteen seven and two thousand seventeen and sixteen in two thousand eighteen during that time period. Ryan tannehill thirteen in two thousand sixteen zero in two thousand seventeen and eleven this year in two thousand eighteen so with a better quarterback for more games. And I think an overall better situation, and a number of different regards that was the level of accomplishment for both in the last few years as just someone who looks at that and says, you know, what if we're going to make that the comparison, I don't think it's as favorable on one side. Unless you just count the Lombardi for that much even with I mean, we have the debates all the time about Brady and Bella check as far as credit with their success. And we wanna look at that Super Bowl and not acknowledge the Aaron Rodgers elephant in the room. There seems like we're just working overtime to be upset and use a comparison an area that I don't think it's particularly at first and last the podcast. I of last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. We are presented by progressive insurance callers. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. We pre sheet you guys weighing in this morning. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six and we're going to bring in a professional. Now, you hear them on ESPN ninety eight point seven in New York taking over here at the top of the hour. His name is Gordon Damer, and he joins us on that show. Pennzoil performance line. Get triple action protection for optimal engine performance was show v power nitro plus premium gasoline, Gordon, are you ready to open up the? The floodgates this morning with the phone lines and New York Jets fans. Yeah. I mean, it's coming, you know, some days you kind of have to figure out what you're gonna do where you're gonna go. You have a little bit more craft in the show. But today, it's pretty self explanatory to go about the jets, Adam gays and their new head coach for sure. Yeah. And so let's do a get you started on that early. We'll get you a warm up leading into the show here today. But Adam gates now named the New York Jets new head football coach announced yesterday and have been hearing a lot of mixed reports on the feelings of jet fans this morning since the news been announced. Gordon, it's is you've taken the temperature yourself in the last, you know, half day, what your read been on the overall reaction to this. Well, I can tell you. I think we talked last week about didn't really feel like at the time that there was a consensus among jet fans for who they wanted as the head coach we would run polls every day on Twitter. Try to gauge who people wanted. There was never really even from that time from the moment that the move was made to look for a new head coach. There was never a really a consensus. It was pretty clear though, the only consensus was jet fans did not want Adam gates that was the one name that was the most not even polarizing they did not want him. So the fact that that's the guy who the jets end up with and think about it going into this offseason. We were talking about ranking the jobs, which is the most favorable job is at Green Bay's at Cleveland. The jets were very much part of that conversation with all the things that they have going for them. Granted the record's not good. But you go into an off season where you know, you have the number three pick overall you already have your young quarterback here. A year under his belt seemingly all good things to come and an off season where you're going to have a hundred million dollars to spend. I get maybe there wasn't that slam dunk name out there. But when you go into an off season with all those things. At your disposal. It'll be hard to imagine an off season where the jets have more things going in their favor and for them to walk away with Adam gays. The fan base is clearly not happy about it versus my goal junior here on ESPN radio. We're talking to Gordon Damer on the shell Pennzoil performance line. You can hear him on ESPN radio in New York taking over at five AM eastern here. And Gordon, I think that's my frustration with the reaction at this point is I look out in the rest of this landscape. And I've seen the reaction to the other coaches that have taken job so far in this off season. And I struggle the I know he's received a lot of attention since taking the job in Arizona, and he was a guy Jamal Adams tweeted about but cliff Kingsbury with his recent you'll lack of success record wise at the college level at Texas Tech was that a name that was really going to do it more. So than this for jets fans, or is it just purely the familiarity in the division all these things that you just mentioned like I can't. Figure that out. Yeah. Well, you know, what gays doesn't have going forward is. There's not really one narrative that really works for him. Right. He's not the sexy higher because he's kind of a retread. He's already been in the division. You've already seen him. He doesn't have a great history of success in terms of a head coach dolphins were pretty much a a middling team with them. They made the playoffs that one year out of three years. So there's not that one, you know, at least with cliff Kingsbury. No, there's not a great resume. But he's the sexy hire you can convince yourself and a lot of times in the off season. It's all about selling yourself. Hope if you're a fan of a bad team. That's what the draft is so appealing to most fans. That's what you know. You get fired up about this coach that coach so gays doesn't really have that going for him. But I agree with you to me cliff Kingsbury, y you want to take some risk, but you don't wanna take unwarranted risk. And to me there was just too much risk with cliff Kingsbury. So who knows maybe he'll turn out to be a great head coach. But that would have been at least in terms of a good portion of the fan base. It would have been a more positive move based on what? What I've read from the fan base. But that's mostly because Adam gates was the most negative name mentioned and all the possibilities for jet fans. Does the endorsement of Peyton Manning calling and giving Adam gates his blessing? Obviously, they spent time in Denver there during some of Manning's, you know, waning years when it wasn't necessarily his best ball. But a guy who's been around as that news trickles in is that anything that has value in the New York market. Nope. No, it does not you know, and the real die hard jet fan. Will remember when manning was a junior? And there was talk that he was gonna come out in the jets had the number one pick and he decides to go back for his senior season. So a lot of jet fans feel like manning is kind of screwed them twice now, especially the ones that don't like Adam gays talking to Gordon Damer on the shell Pennzoil performance line. He is taking over at the top of the hour. ESPN ninety eight point seven FM the other question, I have Gordon is about control here. And I saw some reports yesterday's and things going out that Matt rule the current Baylor. Head coach is a guy whose name had been linked potentially to this job. But that he had told some around him that wasn't as sure about taking this because he didn't think he would be given the opportunity to choose his staff. What is the likelihood here that it's going to be this front office? That's more in control of who the coaches around. Adam gates, are well, you know, it's a balancing act, right? Because the jets got just moved on from coach who. Todd Bowles who really never was able to put together a really good staff. It seemed like every year they were struggling to find somebody to be the offensive coordinator this year. It was pretty clear they were going to fire Todd Bowles. But one of the reasons why they didn't was there wasn't a single guy on his staff that the team felt like was capable of moving into the big chair and being the head coach even for games that didn't mean anything. So I can understand their reluctance a little bit to hand the reins over to someone who they had some qualms about him being able to really put together a really top flight staff because that is truly important, but the other side of that is is not like the jets front office has had this big run of success where you're trusting them either. So there's almost this thing that we maybe Matt rule, maybe the names wouldn't have been all that appealing to the jets front office. But maybe that's what they need. Maybe they need somebody. You know when they're doing things wrong. Maybe the opposite of that is just having someone who maybe they don't agree. With. But maybe they have to kind of trust that he knows more with these doing than they know what they're doing. So I can kind of see the balancing act, but that's not by jet fans not buying it there. They might not know anything about Matt rule, but they like that had him gays, and it seems like a pretty good metric at this point. If you're not Adam gays your rating as have been higher in New York at this point in time. Great stuff as always you can check them out at the top of the hour right here on ESPN ninety eight point seven FM. Gordon? We appreciate the time, man. Thanks, Mike first. And last the podcast first. And last the podcast the difficult decisions faced by NFL front office this offseason. Why one team in particular is going down? Maybe the most difficult road that's left for current NFL teams. I don't know when it changes. But right now, it makes life very difficult. They may have done something to soften the blow though, we also have to get to. Very very tragic chicken nugget incident from the other day that's worth acknowledging. But also it really looks like and we brought this up yesterday. Obviously the big story of the weekend. Chicago Bears losing the wildcard round of the eagles. Cody parkey the bears kicker misses a forty three yard field goal that could have won the game. As time is getting ready to expire. Goose island beer company. Chicago comes to his defense lays down the gauntlet says come and kick a forty three yard field goal outside of our brewery in Chicago. We will give you a year of beer. Well, it looks like actually going like I actually think I spoke this into existence yesterday. And now, it appears I might get shot at this. And it's interesting now for those of you that may have listened to go look and WinCo Monday through Friday six ten AM eastern over there where I was yesterday. Put a lot of confidence out there be very Frank with you. I don't know the last time I actually made a field goal. I'm not sure if I have a career make on my resume so a forty three yarder right now seems like a daunting task. I don't know if there's anyone I can Greece in this process to see if I can get this thing moved up a little bit right now. I don't know if we can work on some photo shopping to try and get a stunt double in there that can actually kick field goals. Do this one for the grand for real? I don't know how we have to do this. Because at this point pulling up lame seems like it's going to be very real option. Like if I come here with a hamstring wrapped next Monday on golick and wingo, you're going to know, my course of action, but we've got gotta figure out something. I'm gonna go to the high school my high school field right around here in Connecticut. Try boot a couple of day experiment with some different styles because we're going to get this opportunity. It looks like there hasn't been a lot of preparation. But it's about to meet opportunity. So we're going to need a little actual look on our side for all of this. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Comparing rates to help you save call or click today and find out how much progressive could save you like should I get a coach onboard with this. As there are someone anyone who could offer me some sort of advice. I'm not really sure all I know is there's a very real chance that I'm getting on a plane to Chicago tomorrow afternoon to try and take a forty three yard field goal in the middle of the road. That's life right now. But hey, a year of Iran. It's hard to turn down. It's are you can't win. If you don't try. That's what I've always said. I didn't think that would apply to feel goals kicked on concrete, but the Lord works in mysterious ways as we mentioned NFL front office is also face a unique predicament right now. Now, they're not kicking field goals in the middle of the street, but hiring a head coach in the NFL right now has become a strangely difficult task and it has become difficult less. So because of the normal challenges going out and trying to find someone who's going to fit your organization is going to develop the players that you want more show guarding against who you might lose underneath them. We live at a time right now in the NFL where the offensive coordinator who displays any sort of ability to groom young quarterbacks to show, an usher in some of the modern offense of principles that have a lot of elements of the air raid offense that we've seen in college football, all those things have become extremely valuable in the world of the NFL. When you think about a team like the Cleveland Browns? I mean, they promoted Freddie, kitchens started the year off as the running backs coach and ended the years their offense coordinator with all this with Baker Mayfield. They just before him to the head coach yesterday Jan Gazi on ESPN NFL insider on why that happened there unique situation. Cincinnati the operate totally differently from the other thirty one teams, Mike Brown. The owner. Wrong sound they're here we go as everything to do with Baker Mayfield. I mean, look at the hires that have been made the last couple of days in Green Bay in Arizona, inexperienced guys who haven't been head coaches. But we're able to convince the team they could do something with the quarterback with Freddie kitchens. They have a guy that already has shown he can connect with and get the most out of Baker Mayfield Mayfield likes him he stumped for him. And so obviously, this is a guy that they felt comfortable having around their quarterback and the trend this year seems to be that's getting these head coaching jobs first and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. So we have that which has been the trend. Dan is absolutely right. And that is just as much about. You thinking you might lose that voice. If they're kept around. See we're it's still a very interesting place where being the head coach whether as a status symbol, whether as the level of financial compensation offers you has an appeal to most people that lace them up and coach in the NFL in any position. And because of that it can be very difficult to keep people in their best possible role. So many people talked about why wouldn't you keep Greg Williams on? Before defensive coordinator who then became the interim head coach for the Browns this year keep him on because he was apart and therefore that run of success after Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson. We're like why wouldn't you keep him on and keep Freddie kitchens as your offense coordinator? Well. The worry. I'm sure is Freddie kitchens as great relationship with Baker Mayfield. They have made beautiful beautiful music together down the stretch of the two thousand eighteen NFL regular season so much show. The would if he continues to have that run of success. And then all of a sudden next year you were faced with the prospect that someone else might look at Freddie kitchen when five to eight NFL jobs open up next year. Like, it always seems to happen and say man, Freddie, kitchens might make darn good head coach for us or even more. So maybe Freddie kitchens doesn't wanna stick around. If he is not offered the head coaching job, you guarding against all these things makes what the Broncos did with Vic Fangio that much more. Interesting Vic Fangio the sixty year old former defensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears. The number one ranked defense in the NFL by almost any conceivable metric in two thousand eighteen. Dominant across the board for a coordinator that it's been around the NFL for a long time was the architect of those San Francisco forty Niners defense defenses from the mid two thousands that were so dominant when the forty Niners were regularly making the playoffs. And now recently with the Chicago Bears, but had to achieve at such a level before he was going to be considered for one of these head coaching jobs. He goes to a place in Denver were, quite frankly. I'm a little surprised they didn't go offense. Just because the difficulty that John that excuse me, the John Elway head picking quarterbacks so much. So that I figured it would be paramount to have someone they're capable of developing maximizing what you had whether it's case keenum or you decide to go. Elsewhere this season. But again, the idea of who you hire a coordinator being an issue shows it self again. And so they hire Gary kubiak is the offensive coordinator, and that becomes the interesting chess move because as we've talked about all show, we reward small sample sizes. We don't want to know too much about you. Because when we do we know all the flaws then. Most everyone outside of a catastrophe can get through a first date without puking all over themselves. All the sudden, you're in a six month year relationship, and you learn all of the other things you learn the devil in the details with the person that you're around and then you're able to accurately assess but when we're giving a small sample size. Everything's good. Anyone can be good for a short stretch. And we seem to value that when we look at players quarterbacks especially and when we've looked at coaches and coordinators this offseason. Gary kubiak is not that Gary kubiak spin around the block because a coordinator and head coach. He's done those things in Denver. They are used to him. And so Gary kubiak skit to come in and run this offense for Vic Fangio in a way that in this day and age, I don't know is going to be appealing enough for the outside world in the NFL to look at it and say, man, we gotta go give that guy for our team. And so at least insulates you to that problem, which is a problem that teams look. To fill their head coaching vacancies with defensive-minded. Head coaches are going to face everyone. Thank you for listening to the first and last podcast. You can listen in subscribe to all ESPN podcast in the listen tab of the ESPN app. First and last.
Jets & Giants Win on the Same Day for a Change!
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The jets giants may be a little more positive after yesterday. The jets beating a team that was playing for their playoff lives in Zeros. Out A lot of Prom rob gesture at the quarterback position injuries and everything else but hell the jets at the game and the steelers del did and the jets beat them and the New York giants went out there. Aaron played an entertaining game. They won Dave Gentleman's last. Two top draft choices were great and Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones. And I'm sure you're GONNA fall farther in that draft order but let's not forget. Let's not forget all of us that were saying. Take a quarterback when saquon Barkley was taken. Let's not forget all of us. It's Daniel Jones is a guy who took out of everybody else. Think about it. You don't know what the Hell's going to happen in the draft. I'd much rather have Daniel Jones. Be Throwing five touchdown passes in a win. Then have him looked like crap she can go get another guy that you know is going to be greatly. NFL or not. Good Morning boomer our you I'm doing. Oh Great Gio and Jones showed everybody. Why once again this is not something? That's a revelation to anybody who has watched him play. This year is the biggest problem. This year is just the turnovers. The fumbles in the pocket and a couple of bed interceptions. But there's no question that we all believed by watching him up to the point where he got hurt and then Eli Oh. I got to play the last two games that he was the heir apparent and he was a few G didn't need Validate that or or make me feel any different I. I felt like he's going to be the kid anyway. Anyway so yesterday's performance just kind of yet. Echoes that sentiment. And that's the way it should be. And he had a great game yesterday. All of his teammates were gushing about his performance. Former way handle themselves as coach was gushing about it and then the fact you had an obvious healthy saquon Barkley events of really terrible defensive weeks in a row to look like he did last year now his ankles probably one hundred percent now and There's a lot to be said about him coming back when he's not honor percent and trying to help the team to win. You love up that you want that kind of attitude but now all of a sudden last couple of weeks you're seeing the healthy saquon Barkley and nothing would be more fitting for the New York giants decks week than the beat Philadelphia and knock them from the playoff ranks if Dallas. Can I be worried about the giants if I were the eagles right now man I would. I'm telling you right now would be with the way David playing and Daniel Jones with a little bit of a break coming back and look in the way he did yesterday and the Eagles by the way I mean we all pick the cowboys in this game because Eagles look so bad. I mean you're telling me that. The Eagles are cable laying in egging into giants. Course they are. You know why it's a trap game right here. He make or Break Trabzon Trabzon. Let me just get back Danny Jones for a second. We all knew we could tell the first day that the first game that he played against Tampa that he was the real deal and you know he had a couple all moments where you frustrated. He fumbled the ball but he is the reason why you're watching the giants. You're the reason why turned on the TV yesterday because you want Z.. Him Back under center. You wanted to see what he can do. Especially in light of. Eli Win The game last week. And now he's coming back and Pat Shurmur said if he's healthy plan and you know what all all he did was complete twenty eight passes for three hundred sixty yards and five dollars down and he played a wealth of football game. And that's that's the great news now. The bad news is that the giants now fault number four in the draft water they fall behind obviously Washington and Detroit. Now Detroit lost at Denver yesterday. Cincinnati has locked up the number one pick and most likely joe borough will be there. They're pick but then the question comes you know who are the next group of guys and you said something very interesting this morning which is absolutely correct. They never or know about what happens at the combine. I like all of a sudden somebody. We think that could be the twentieth pick is going to come all the way up and being a top five before for you know and after the combine after all these scouts bring all their stuff in but I think most people feel like chase young is going to be that second pick sure and everybody wants wants an edge rusher and unfortunately for the giants. If in fact that's the way it goes down and chase young turns out to be the next Nick Bosa. That's going to be a problem so that means to me. The giants have got draft big offensive tackle. And what's wrong with that. That would be the kid out of Georgia. Andrew Thomas. Also a can't miss player just plays a different position. That's all. Yeah and and I'm not worried if I'm Dave gettleman that I fell from two to four and then maybe even can fall even farther because yes how many holes do the giants lions have for crying out loud on defensive ton. They've got holes all over. The place has problem. They need defensive players and you may end up taking the best available player because you don't I wanNA draft always for knee I. This was driving me crazy. I I understand the best case scenario. Listen I'm not a dummy I get it. The best case scenario was for Daniel Jones to do what he did and then have the giants. They'll lose the game. Can you feel better about it. But let's not act like the giants entire future was flushed down the toilet yesterday because they won this game. This is not a situation where the the giants needed. A quarterback and a clear cut quarterback would have been available of day to day needed to change their franchise. And now that hasn't happened happened. Yeah Edge rushers are important yet. Chase young looks like a difference maker but this is not a situation where it's maker break franchise player type stuff for them have. I don't believe that it is and when the giants in the middle of a massive rebuild you can plug holes with top five guy anywhere on his roster changes or. You'RE NOT GONNA go wrong. Oh you're not gonNA go wrong and and I think again the performance yesterday validates two things. One it validates Dave Dave Gentleman's believed that he got the right guy when he got him. He's already fifteen times better than Mitch trubisky in Chicago Right. So this validates Dave gettleman and also shows you that You know the offense is all that bed now. The giants had five hundred fifty two yard. Just now. I know the redskins are are are not a great defense and all that other stuff but they had five one hundred fifty two yards yesterday and you know they let go of a very popular player by the name of Landon Collins You know about that. That was validated again Beckham. Junior it does catch down pass yesterday. Screaming and Freddie Kitchens and that team's not going all Olivia Burns out there. He's not going own anywhere. Jewish what's Djibril. Prep has got hurt. You know dextra Lawrence has played well Baker's going to figure it out he's getting better as the season goes was on although you know their defense still is not great but they're all been a lot of things that Dave gettleman has done here that he's done right and I know I know that when you're in the midst of losing streak and it's still losing you combine this group of coaches and administrated to the previous groups that made all those mistakes stakes you know what I mean because it's just going on and on and on these guys because they're stuck in the middle of all this and I'm just telling you the the fact that Daniel Jones is look the way he has and play the way he did yesterday says the guy knows what he's doing dextra warrants. He knows what he's doing. Yeah there's just so many holes right well ends up getting hurt yesterday but but still he's been great. He's been absolutely great this year. Yeah I mean those guys have been awesome but it just the the issue is there was a massive roster turnover in the they have relied on a lot of rookie. And now it's fire guys like you know I. Well that's the next question right noise the hell Outta me that everybody you know. They don't realize what the Hell is going on. We'll get them is not getting fire and you just can't turn it around overnight. Well what about Pat Shurmur. Now which is going. That'd be these questions. I mean we were talking about the winds shifting in that long losing streak. Eli send-off game when they get this win. Now they have an opportunity to play spoiler against Philadelphia Eagles. Who need the win to be able to win the division host Home playoff game which is just on a magical to me in this stacked. NFC that one of those two teams a cowboys and Eagles are going to home playoff game. It's sickening but anyway now. What if he wins at game now? Now you gotta three game winning streak down. The stretch now is is everybody that want him. Fired change their mind or it all depends on what the alternative is right. Yes that's exactly the point and the alternative. The alternative could be Mike. Mike McCarthy Right Ron Rivera there's also another guy but I don't necessarily know that certain guys are not gonna Wanna work with Dave gettleman. I think Ron Rivera would. But how about a guy like Josh mcdaniels. Now I would love that if I were giant. Josh mcdaniels coming. He's coming with the ability to control things. I believe but then again you know two years ago. He walked out on the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah I know and that's always going to be a stain on his resume but I think Josh mcdaniels given where he is now in his coaching life then wherever he goes next he's GonNa do well that just that's my now. The colts ended up locking out of is he got Frank Reich and that was the right guide the right time for that team. Maybe it wasn't the right time for Josh mcdaniels to make the move. But if I'm the giants and I know he wants to go is that that he wants to go. I mean he wants what's another opportunity you know. I did my hit this morning already and they asked me and I said well look. You know he'd get Joshua's interviews. I dig it in view and he got a job offer any walked out on on right and you know an NFL coaches. Don't like that now. This is one of thirty two. They believe that the head coaching position for particular team especially like the giants. Even though the giants haven't been good over the last five or seven years you know still a very very prominent position in the world of sports and you don't say no to an NFL dell owner or walk out on a deal that they thought they had done especially when you built a coaching staff already. You know what I'm saying so that that's something that Josh is going to have to overcome any ally bloom gloomy. He'll have opportunities. The question is which owner is going to want to give him. I think a little bit more control than he would have if he came to the giants. Bill Belichick loves love. The New York giants loves the hours. And everything else right. If there were a place that bill belichick would endorse. I think Josh mcdaniels go the giant. Yeah I thought about that. And they don't see each other they don't really play against dried another another part of this though that makes me think about the way. The whole thing went down with the colts. Were there air assurances made. Do Josh mcdaniels that bills not going to be around forever. You are the guy in waiting. Come here will boost. Your salary can be umbrella. Check meaning that John Daniels New England. Yeah when Josh mcdaniels left the job took it and turned his back on it you know was it because Robert a craft said you need to be the next guy in line we got to keep this thing moving after ballot check and Brady and you're the guy I want. I don't want you going somewhere else. Stay here bills not going to be here forever and take the job over. Is that something that was talked about in. Is that something that's known in the League. And is that why he's not talking to us. I think I think Joshes is definitely open to obviously ASLI interviewing for jobs and all that other stuff. I also believe that Tom Brady probably had a little bit of an impact of of staying. Let's continue to do this. This is is how much longer I'm going to stay and the interesting thing for Tom Brady. Is this. This is the first time that I think that I can think it's the first time where he's actually literally At the end of his contract. And they're not gonna you know they can't franchise them because it's in the contract not able they're not able to franchise so he's going to be a free agent he he is a on untethered free agent. meaning that what. Let's throw the hypothesis the hypothetic- hypothetical situation that Jason Lockenfora throughout about three weeks ago and CBS. L. A. With Josh mcdan- right. I don't know if I'd WanNa work for the SPANOS family but You know could that be situation. I don't know these are all the speculations that are that are starting to happen now and all this other stuff but but the point. I'm trying to make about the giants. What's that Dave? GETTLEMAN has been on a path. Now all right. He's been interrupted by cancer. He's fought through all of this. You cannot deny some of the decisions that that he has made that have all been home runs now. Has He made some bad decisions. Yes every general manager is going to have a problem. You can't get them all right. You Know I. I think that he's on track. You have what is a foundational players here now. That hopefully over the next five or six years are going to grow. Oh together and you're going to have sustained success kind of like the Philadelphia Eagles have had since they drafted Carson once. But it took a while to get there sure and then when you you did make all the changes. Dave gettleman made in a short amount of time and that roster overhaul you had to expect to have a rebuild but as we mentioned what happened there with that losing streak was was also you had to mix in a win here there and now they have and now they have two in a row and they've got an opportunity to end the season on a three game winning streak now the other team in town the New York jets with with a really nice win at home against the Pittsburgh steelers now. I know from a steelers perspective. You're going to get a lot of well. Everybody got heard dodges stinks and Mason. Rudolph was playing. Well all sounds like the jets and week. Two and week three pounds. He goes out of the game and everything you know. Whatever tough job for four straight we exactly and the jets were able to? If the jets had lost that game with all that adversity piling up against the steelers. I would have been crushing on because they needed to finish the job and they did Luke Falk would have been better than while Mason Rudolph was was good. He was going to hurt. Yeah but DOC way in over his head yeah. There's just no way now. It was cute for a little bit nickname. Everything makes a couple of throws. But the guys just. He's just the bad quarterback he's just he's I shouldn't say bad quarterback he's not nfl capable if you will in Tomlin speak but this was a really nice win for the the jets and it seemed like they had really gotten over that negatively after the game in the stuff that Jamal Adams was talking about he was tweeting about hines ward with a big smile on his face. And he's getting the the gatorade bath Levian Bellevue being really happy. He was able to beat his former team. It just it felt like a really really good vibe Abo- over there when master in front of all those steeler fans I mean everything just felt great about the jets yesterday. There's just from from start to finish even though it wasn't in a blowout win They got the job done. It's another thing to build upon in the season that has gone so incredibly wrong. But here they are. You know win with the second half of the season it looks pretty damn good five and two seven right so I don't know what to tell you. You know everybody screaming yelling. Everybody wants the playoffs. And I do too but You again with the jets another set of situations because the coach comes then the GM makes all the pics then you got a new GM three months later and he's GonNa have have a chance to do anything I mean so it's a weird thing that's going on there but again you know this was a game where if you don't turn over you can win. And they played tough defense and and I thought Levian belly touched twenty five times at hand offset he had four receptions. I believe so he touched the ball missed thirty times yesterday. And that's the way it's supposed to be and that's the way that they should have been doing it all year long. They didn't score a lot of points. But you get your plan against the number four defense in the league and they won a tough off physical battle. And that's a good thing that's a good sign for both of these football teams. Yesterday their quarterbacks played solid in the case of Danny Jones. You've played great. I thought you know Sam Darnold was good. It was not bad. He was good and he was a winning quarterback. And that's really what you want so I like I like coming in the morning after both of these teams win. That's all even all these seasons have been lost and they are lost. It does feel better to be able to talk about about some positivity and it makes you think that maybe not so far down the road. One of these franchises might be able to compete and get themselves back on the right track with the most important position that that is that is that is the most important question that has now been solved. And now you can start going to do other things things and you could bring in other free agents and this is where you gotta really get it right. He had overpaid for nate solder. They need left tackle. They overpaid for nate nate. I I know he hasn't lived up to the contract. He's not the all pro that everybody thought he was going to be. And all that other stuff but a lot of that has to do with who you're playing with play with. Tom Brady appointed with Eli Manning. Then you're playing with a rookie quarterback then you get to the running back hurt and all this other crap that goes on that affects you as a player. That may have been camouflaged because of who you used to play with So I I know that. Not every decision and every dollar has been spent wisely but when you look at the draft and you look at the hits that he's had over the last couple of years man I. It's hard to argue that he has hasn't been one of the more successful guys drafting.
Joshua Henshaw Wants A Shot At Jets Kicker Job
"That's GonNa Josh Jets Cam Josh. What's happening brother. Hey how are you I am at the jets facility right now trying to join the kicker for the tryout. I you serious yeah. I am standing out here with my sign. I have a career long fifty seven seven yards in James and over the past five years ninety two percent of my field goals at her level yeah. We're we're. We're Josh where where did this happen so this happened in tandem in a few different leagues. One of the main ones in this area is called the L. S. It's major league football. It's predominantly New York City spanning down into Jersey and up a little bit into Connecticut the M. L. F. Yes M L F in what teams deployed for in the MLS I played for the Tri County owls that try. Oh of course the tribe actually now city but I took a red eye flight so you're hoping to just be able to get in and show off my talent. Did you kick in college. Josh I did. I kicked at the University of Vermont and I played at Lackawanna College as well. Wow Junior college in Scranton now. What is your full name. Josh you don't mind me asking Joshua Henshaw Joshua Henshaw. You're right from Josh so I'm originally from Philadelphia now living in Salt Lake City and if you look me up on Youtube under Josh Henshaw Kicks Yeah you can see my practice footage has up to seventy yard field goal kicking and also I have some game footage on which includes my fifty seven yard field goal on trying to do whatever I can whatever resources to get into camp today and while this is this is a good way to do it. We know some people people over there. You're thirty years old. Josh I am yeah. Have you ever been a part of an. NFL training camp or abroad in for a tryout before I have not now excellent football team and it was my grandfather's alma mater so I ended up seeing Vermont as opposed to the University of Utah and University of Massachusetts after I finished my year at Lackawanna Junior College. Do you have an agent that I do not okay clearly clearly because you're standing outside with a sign. This is something let's see if we can get you signed. Can we be your agent and take four percent of the money that you get. That sounds like a plan to May okay. I'm willing to deal with the devil to get in. Oh Wow here's a guy that cares harnesses as they should be able to give them a shot. Wh What's the harm in that you. You're not like a weird guy have criminal record or anything like that. We need to know about before we start supporting you and then we find out that you've got people that you're holding hostage basement. We have to do a little background. Check on Gosh. No I do not have any any bad background. What is your sign say. I signed said Josh Hinshaw doc kicks at the top and it says please let me kick took the red eye from Salt Lake City last night ninety two percent last five seasons and semi pro fifty eighty seven yards long. It's way too long. He just needs a cap something on the side like it wasn't your Miami Atom and then you'd probably get let in that's don't do that. This is interesting so do you see him on Youtube. yeah. I've got. I've got his profile here on some sort of website all right but I have not gone to youtube yet because I was told I have a profile on airplanes dot com. That's what I was looking at it exactly what I was looking at so John the websites it just kind of for players trying to get to to Europe although that the organization over there significantly less than it was who says you can do this at a high level in the NFL this. I'm watching you now youtube channel. You're you'RE A guy. A tank top was kicking seventy art field goals and that's great but you truly believe that if you're given the opportunity you could be a kicker in the NFL the national football league absolutely way. I have one hundred percent confidence in. I know what my skill set is. It's just a matter of getting in trying to the right people so that they can see what I can do. Z. Kick Seventy art field goals. How about about your kickoffs. YOU'RE GONNA kick them through the end zone yeah actually at the end of that video you'll see there's quite a few one of actually goes through the goal posts on the kickoff this guy's this guy's no joke. I'm watching them right now. He really he has now. He's not in pads. There's nobody in front of him but real unease kicks. There's no doubt about it. You know when people they are Matt Prater. When we saw Carli Lloyd do it at Carl. I took like four steps to kick it. C- can't do that. You take a look at him. He's visited drilling. These field goals guy so boomer. Can you help him get in now. You don't have any weapons on your anything. No I did not have a backpack that has my Clinton some workout attire one football kicking key and my my kicking stand to hold the ball field goals. I'm just trying to just trying to like fast forward to Monday night. Football and let's say that the jets actually do sign you because you can press them on the practice this field and everything and obvious confidence in yourself and your drive to make this happen which I do admire very much by the way and then all of a sudden. You're there to kick the game winner and you miss a twenty five yard field goal. Can you imagine the jet fans on Tuesday morning what they're going to be like I can imagine it but I don't see it happening. Wow all right right. I liked the confidence man. So what about like if you have to make a tackle or you in enough shape to do that I am. I don't have any footage of making tackles but I'm about route six foot. Two and two hundred thirty five pounds not easy to run through boomers grabbing his cell phone right now and it looks like he's going through this. Should I send it to like Adam Gays Joe Douglas. Who should I send it to Adam Gates. He's probably not in a great frame of mind right now but that's a he'll be like basil. Give it a shot Yeah Yup because he would be a guy. That would probably give it a show. Douglas would probably maybe even entertain. I can't speak for them. I don't know them that well but this was still todd bowles. He'd walk overtake your ten dollar Bills Scream Josh. Here's a I'm Josh. Here's what I'll do. I'll send attacks that. I'll say there's a guy outside would assign somebody. Go Talk to them. Please got vouching for the guy ideas now i. I'm looking at them on video. So Joe Douglas's listening name or Adam gazes listening or somebody over there at the jets is listening. They should say that. There's a guy outside. That has a youtube bid. Take a look at the bid. The Guy who was kicked and kicked in in college is also play through the semi pros the Tri County frogs and the county owls who event and then give them a look. The called seems normal. No criminal record doesn't have any weapons in his backpack as far as we know Josh. How did you not call this radio station. I just saw your article posted online one of my good friends from college. He's huge jets fan. he sent me away to the article he thought that they were hosting open tryouts dry out and so. I took a look into it saw. They weren't open book the next flight. I took a red eye from Salt Lake City eight thirty last night. It landed about five thirty this morning. Newark and now I'm here. This is crazy man. This is crazy. This is great. I know it's yeah but at the same time so you so you thought it was open when you were on the plane and then when you showed up you found out that it wasn't open tryouts no I knew that it wasn't open office wow and just said that I'm GONNA be showing up and hopefully you guys will let me in. I have the ability and I want to showcase okay because I can compete for the starting spot. I'm telling you just put Adam gazes number like in my phone and I started just I caught myself as women timeout number another doing. I don't think I could do this. I do it other personnel people over there that I can send something to but I can't imagine sending it to the head coach coach. I mean it's like I'm trying to think of how he would respond to like boomer you serious now. Listen Josh I do not work. I know that I don't want to minimize what you've gone through to get here. I don't want to minimize that and I'm having we're having a lot of fun with you and and I think this is awesome that you guys chasing a dream right. I love that I do love that so I want. I want to do this the right way. I don't want to just like hammer the coach all right well. I know a guy to over there independent of you. Oh good for you so I'm going to send him a message. That guy I know will get the message to the right people. If you're not GONNA do it. I gotTA TAKE I can get it to the right people. You your dilly dally try. She said it's GonNa ruin my relationship. Can I've after this guy would have returned as a Weirdo and all this stuff. I don't care about any of that so what I'm going to do is I'll. I got you josh all right. Don't worry about I'm GonNa take care of that. It's awesome. I'm going to do my best and I'm going to try to convince blow to his best because just do our best. Yes we will. The question is what we believe. Our best is I mean I could go to head coach or it could go to the general manager but I think there might be a little bit of my credibility on the line here to you. Thank you don't lie about your credibility if you're right about that. However House is going to ruin your credibility just say hey. This dude sounds nor flight from Salt Lake City. He called the Radio Sharia right all right all right. That's what I tell me. Well go through a full background around check. If you guys need to do that live in solving other stomach drugs or anything so what what do you want me to write to Adam. You tell me what the right to Adam Grace. A guy just called our show. Okay Guy just called our show who is a kicker show who who is who is a kicker kicked in college in semi pro who kicked and Dan College and Josh semi pro is that right yes semi pro semi pro k. he standing outside he standing standing outside outside of your of your facility with online facility with with a sign he flew. We took a red eye from Utah. He took a red eye from Salt Lake and if you could include in there just Youtube Josh and saw okay so that he can see the bus job what way and wants a shot at shot at the job you know he just wants to try out. He'd like to try and what's a shot. He just wants a shot. Yes Abbas shot. You can check them out. You can check him out as we did because we saw him out because that as we dig gives you a little bit art hang on for a second. I'm not takes me a little bit longer. Texts all right sorry you can check them out as we did on Youtube okay. What's what's Youtube Channel. Josh Henshaw Kicks Josh H. E. N. S. eight of you yeah kicks. Maybe Josh so I'll just say seems like a pretty solid a dude right chasing a dream free like a pretty solid Dude Dude D. U. You D E right chasing a dream. Hey Josh do you give permission to. CBS sports now are to use who's your youtube footage on CBS sports network. Yeah absolutely okay all right. Well we'll do that. I'd so here it is. I'll read it to you. Okay Hey Adam a guy just called our show who is kicker who kicked in college and semi pro you standing outside your facility with a sign. He took a red eye from salt. Lake can wants a shot. You can check them out as we did on Youtube at Josh Henshaw. Henshaw kicks seems like a pretty solid dude. Chasing a dream may end up being may end up being a psychopath. No no no no great story. We'll be out of it as seriously this. I'll call my my producer friend. Oh Yeah charting that guy he gave them to disobey awesome great story but but then again it may not or just the whole end up being a great story now now. I'm just driving wanted to see how I want to end this just to make sure by the way a by the way me and Geo are his agents and we will will negotiate for him not only put that right. I don't put just let me but if it gets to that point Josh don't sign anything if you impress them and let me take over from there. Okay okay. That's that's the caveat right after police pulling up now awesome the concert. Sir The cops are showing up because they're listening good luck okay all right so go go what what does that say may end up being a great story and decide who are sending it to sending it to Adam Gates. Yes you WANNA hit. Send that out to this going to be a great thirty for thirty. What if I told you doing this for. ESPN doing it for radio. Dot Com combined doesn't showtime have show or something like that that we can do it. You WanNa send it. Yes yes. I do all right so we're going to said that. Gio wants to push the Button Josh all right here we go. It's really hard to do this and you're holding the phone and you guys are awesome all right now. We're going to call you back. Do you have his number on there. Josh don't embarrass us. I know don't go on some psychotic lunatic and then take a poop on the practice. I said you you if you get a shot. If you get a shot remember where you got that shot from but I appreciate you making the call and I appreciate you chasing the dream. You guys don't get tickets already. I'll send them your way or just stay. Don't don't hang up. I'm going to put you on hold so our producer. Alcan talk to you and we'll we'll talk at the end of the show right. Okay all right all right there. I don't know if they're having kicking tryouts tryouts or any of that stuff. I'm assuming they are assuming they would because Korea bed. Vic is not been great for either Minnesota or them. They're probably working with him and watching him and also the stuff and I'm I'm not I don't want somebody lose a job but you know a guy calls in listen. This is one of those things man. I know you are what you're worth in the NFL and if you can't get the job Bob Dole in week one. You'll lose by a point see. That's the way it works. We all have pressure on us. When we get to a certain level of whatever we're doing. I will say this. I will say this if somehow someway they showed men finds himself on an NFL team whether it be the jets are anybody. We are all going to be rooting for this of course yeah. It's not gonNA. It's GonNa be a a no brainer. This is incredible. It looks like he can do it on his youtube video. I mean if it was just him kicking in a clown suit out we you got played here. Al No no swear to God no no. There's no way the weights speaking you getting played. Did you see what Jerry Rice said about Antonio Brown. Did he say you played yourself said he played us. We were all played out there in the bay area. Because Antonio was telling Jerry he wanted to play out there in the bay area yeah well. I think he did did until he founded his guarantee. Money was gone all right boomer and Geo on the Fan C._B._S. sports network will keep you updated on Josh Henshaw and him trying out for the jets potentially today the.
Darnold Looking Good But The Jets Need Kicking
"<music> boomer and geo on the fan and the c._b._s. Sports network live from the investors bank studio boomer boomer and geo on the fan simulcast across the country on c._b._s. Sports network friday morning morning another summer friday as only a couple of those left so you gotta soak among you gotta enjoy the summer weekend and mets fans can at least go <music> into the summer weekend feeling pretty good about their team as the mets salvage a wind down in atlanta. It was supposed to be a rocking chair the end up being a rocking chair but thank goodness for them. It didn't turn out to be one of the big disaster losses of the year because they were very very close that happening and the new york yankees got a little bit of a wakeup call yesterday at the stadium as a baltimore orioles are no longer hanging around the get smacked around by the yankees and the red hot cleveland indians said opener smoke owner take back bang bang bang seven runs right off the bat and new york jets fans take a deep breath and relax you say yeah there's some issues kicker cornerback back but you might have a quarterback who is the talk of the n._f._l. In two thousand nine hundred nineteen one of those guys it takes a major league and he's talked about as one of the best quarterbacks in football. I think we are close to talk about sam darnold and that brett good morning boomer happy be suffer friday our you doing great gio and much better after watching last night rosario and of course <hes> <hes> alonzo getting back on track and getting. I'm back on track in a big way that whether it be you know <hes> strong pitching okay wasn't greg gave up some home runs and all that other stuff but this is why they won these games before is because those guys were you know the impetus to the offense and they make things happen and that's why they win and i was listening to the radio station yesterday today quite a bit less just listening to the whole debate about mickey callaway and then somebody writes in an article like this could have grown the entire season because he blew it and all this other crap. You know when you have of your offense of guys going the way that they had gone last night. I was great. It was great seal on to do what he did. Yes because he was kind of like martin a little bit of a kind of a mini slump and you no has really been the guy that we've seen in the previous series and stuff like that and then bam. It's all the way out to the pond. Instead are feel that that i mean he just he was. He was locked in last night and you don't want your stroman and you take the mountain and you you have that many runs leave right off the bat. It's a little bit a little bit easier to go out there. You're not not everything is under pressure and i know they give up four runs in the ninth inning but you know it was just a really good solid win for them. They needed it in the worst way now. Syndergaard goes tonight in kansas city city so hopefully they get back on the winning track now for the yankees. You know i'm not gonna sit here and say you know baltimore's not in town so you know it's a little bit of a wakeup. Call chad green has been i think ten into you've been great with his twelve and two overall but ten and two and chad green starts give me just didn't have his stuff last night and it happens especially when you're playing against a good hitting team wipe the indians and the way the indians have been over last fifty or so games has been you know one of the best teams in baseball if not the best team in baseball so they awaken they're waking up and and <hes> chad green. You know obviously unfortunately didn't have a stop last night so you know the the indians scored almost as many runs the jets had points last twenty two points they win twenty two to ten and write sam darnold did look good. You look really good and good quincy. Look good and i hope that i hope that that guy can just stay a healthy because he he's a contested guys. A big guys big body guy last night is the reason why when you watch him catch ball cut across the middle and how always able to put his body in between the ball and the defender and still might be catches the defenders all over him contesting the catch and holding onto it you know those are big place that that's why it you get excited about quincy and unwind and hopefully that will continue in the back shoulder throw that he throws the robbie anderson down the sideline. That was a really good throw in good execution by robbie m._c._i. Making the play so those are the things that you want to see and is sam seems to be pretty accurate. He seems to be very comfortable in the offense and hopefully this will build now think about the amount of guys that didn't play a ton and offensive lineman to. I mean you think about your starting center too. Big offensive line editions in khalil and assembly not a part of the team last night and obviously khalil is still working his way back coming brennan show her name pre-game didn't even get an opportunity opportunity to play so yeah and and still levian bell we talk about sam darnold offense and adam gays and we will a ton because that's the most exciting part of the jets but last night i i think that the pressure on the quarterback was probably the most impressive thing globally mike globally if you will from what i saw aw greg williams the pressure three sacks on matt ryan they were all over him and that's something that when you have problems at the cornerback position and you're worried about what's going on their something can cure that other than better players and that's pressure on the quarterback and they were all over him. I thought that was great for them especially with the <hes> the fountain supposedly having a a good offensive line. It didn't look like that last night. I still i'm worried obviously the kicking situation yesterday cause of concern berta lead hits the forty nine yard or late in the game <unk> more later in the game and that and that was good for him because i think he needed that in the worst way to extra point. He is probably nervous and everything else but i don't be joe douglass. This is standing right there on the sideline watching all the stuff on four. He's back in his office this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if he's there already no matter what time they get back these guys never sleep and he's ah scouring all opportunities. You know it was kind of interesting. I was reading about the rams yesterday. Supposedly they have deep. They had lots of corner so so could there be a trade with the rams who knows maybe they'll be looking still at more kicker stood. They'll bring other kickers in. I would think they'll bring other kickers in here and try to create a competition petition because the last thing i swear to god that you want to coach is have to worry about who's doing your kicking because it's not just kicking extra points and field goals. It's also also kickoffs. I mean you have to be able to place the ball. Where you wanna play you wanna be able to kick it to the end zone. You want to have them settle for no returns things of that nature and you you just want you just want to make sure that you got that part of it on lockdown going into the season and here we are two preseason games into the season and i don't think i think that question has been is not and we've seen there's so many examples of a kicking game derailing a good team. I've seen it with the minnesota vikings plenty of times the chicago bears can tell you all about that from last year one. If you have a good team you're playing close games. It could be the difference doing make it into the play offs or not when you got a guy missing a couple extra points or chip shot field goal so it'd be nice if the jets could figure that out sometime before the regular season start but this might be an ongoing thing. I mean there's as you said there's like probably ten to twelve to maybe fifteen situations in the n._f._l. Where that's just she's locked down the kicker as he's been there. He might have gotten a nice contract. Whatever and the rest which basically a crap shoot and then there's like two or three or four that it's a complete mess s. and then they're searching for a guy bringing different guys in just a row revolving door just for one one thing that people should understand one of the reasons why why for twenty years the bell check lead patriots have been so good. It's the things that you don't see that they do that. They do really well and one of those things is feel field position and it is about their kicker. It is about their punter. It is about their group of five to seven guys on that team that really all they is not that they all concentrate because you have to do a lot of different things to be able to make a football team but the high level of matthew slater the high level of concentration comes on special teams because you know the last thing you want is to lose the field position battle. The last thing you want is missing a game winning field goal attempt. Last thing that you want is a kick out of bounds at the ten yard line giving the team the ball on the on the forty yard line. I mean so many little things can go haywire on that part in that part of the game that you have to make sure that you are totally confident in the guys ace that you have doing that for you. Yeah and i think right now the jets basically or fifty fifty up in the air what we doing with the kicking situation so i would imagine the joe got douglas will be still scouring potential trade partners. I would also think that he'll be checking other kickers that are out on their street right now and other kickers that will be released from their teams cut down day so that that that part of the game right now to me is still very much up in the air for the new york jets but there's there's a lot of building blocks. There's a lot of columns that are there for the jets that are in place. Did you feel pretty good about especially with the quarterback the head coach the relationship that they seem to have in the offense that they're supposed to have and quincy numa being healthy and there's clearly a bond between sam darnold and quincy noon with it started last last year that hopefully continues this year with a full sixteen games. I mean watching sam darnold watching the passing offense knowing that adam aces that quarterback guy to have that relationship ship the calming sam darnold as opposed to the happy feet guy in the pocket all these things that you're seeing i mean it's i listened last year. There's no doubt i was over the top up after that first game watching sam darnold no doubt about it broadway but it's there. It's like that that the athleticism is there. The accuracy is there. You can get excited about him. I i get excited about him and not not be over the top. I really believe that he is primed for a great year and and it's not just watching to preseason touchdown drives. It's not it. I'm talking about the last three games. The i test right but also the three games buffalo miami and in houston last year where he was great and now he's got. I think a better head coach better offense and obviously a better understanding of the game having gone through that rookie season all the experience he had so. I don't know man i mean i think we could be talking midway through the season sam darnold just about this about it's twenty seven and twenty versus the buffalo bills opening day sam rondos out there takes the team right down the field twenty seven twenty six they sent out berta lead for the extra point and you missed it said then i'm telling you that things that would give me nightmares as a coach you're like i i was very very fortunate to play with. Some of the best kickers during my era was nick lowery here for the jets the other one was jimmy breach out there in cincinnati and i'm telling you those guys were money man. They were money and you know very rarely missed extra points. It's very rarely missed. Key field goals in key situations they might have missed field goal in the first quarter or something like that but at the game were on their radar just one up and they made kicks and i it's just it's something that you just don't wanna take for granted. That's that's why i always like i take everything with a grain of optimism of course but also grant a caution go along with it and that that's why that that kind of really worries me right now for the jets. I sam darnold. We knew where we bought that. I thought that he was going to be good. That's why i wanted the giants to take up with the second overall pick last year and he has grown in these shown that he has the ability and what he's doing on the practice field and what he did last last year at the end of the season is transferring this year he looked so much more competent and comfortable on the field and so we're having a maturation process and that's why hopefully a play adam gates is gonna let him throw thirty five forty touchdown pass now that would be <hes> just absolutely perfect and speaking of the giants they get another crack at it tonight home against the bears and really it's all about daniel jones. That's the thing that you're looking for for the giants good protection upfront for whatever time eli gets in for the other quarterbacks actually wanna see an improved offensive line looking working together cohesively whatever you want to say but it's really about daniel jones seeing what he is in his second foray foray in the preseason that i drive now. He's been living off that one touchdown drive for a week old. It's not his fault again. He's doing what he's being. It doesn't matter he's playing against you. Just gotta go out there and start feeling comfortable but back it up with something new and i don't keep it going so who's supposedly going to be the potential rookie of the year in the n._f._l. But i heard so much about cuyler murray yes so mary if anybody watched any of this last night he looked terrible lunatic so i i wanted to see what he was is. Gonna look like against the raiders and i'm sure this is all going to be a part of hard knocks next week. <hes> he <hes> he got blitz got hit. You got run after and he found out just just like how difficult it is to play in the n._f._l. When you are a rookie quarterback so you have one good week last week. Everybody's all carrying the cardo flag this great. He's a generational player. The g._m.'s going crazy on last night. It was anything but that yeah we an accurate throws. It was rushed. It was running out of the pocket. It was moving all over the place nice. I mean he. You can't play quarterback like that. You know and watching all the backup quarterbacks around the league last night that did play guys are running all over at lamar jackson's running all over the place. It's great. It's fine. It's exciting but that's not how you wanna play the position in the n._f._l. You gotta stand in there and you gotta make throws yeah. I mean lamar jackson was able to breathe some life just as you did into the queen city any years ago but pre some life into that orgnization last year with his athleticism but really what it came down to in that chargers game is they just completely shut him down figured out a way a two nate guide scrimmage and they got athletes that was it so that's the formula and now you can't do the same stuff as you did during that winning streak and cuyler murray's gonna learn <hes> that he can't do that either and it looked like once he was under pressure. I had no shot jones. We'll go through some of this too bright. I mean it's not like so. He came out tonight. You know against a really good team. I don't know where he'll play in the game but you know if he was to for seven for nineteen yards interception disappoint would be what i think akin to just trying to get used to everything learning a new defensive system that you gotta play against and you don't really game plan in these games anyway so i don't know i just i. It's just it's a process that all of us went through and it's not easy easy. It's just not easy. I mean learning everything that you have to learn and then trying to apply it in a quarter football where you get no rhythm whatsoever. It's almost impossible for these kids. Well i tell you that daniel jones hype. Train is going to be gained more momentum if he has another touchdown drive tonight when he gets his opportunity moody all right just getting started on this summer friday boomer and geo on the fan across the country on c._b._s. Sports network got the mets big victory over the braves. The indians come man and whack the yankees around and mike ford's in the game at the end given up a kazillion runs. It was not pretty at yankee. Stadium jets preseason. It's all out there for you. We'll get ceelo in year to give you all the details just a couple of minutes.