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#124: Jerry Miller  Founder of FarmersOnly.com, Advertising Sensation

Wild Business Growth Podcast

40:09 min | 7 months ago

#124: Jerry Miller Founder of FarmersOnly.com, Advertising Sensation

"You don't have to be lonely. Farmers only dot com. Well hello welcome back to the wild business podcast. This is your place to hear from a new entrepreneur or innovator every single wednesday morning who's turning wild ideas into wild growth. I'm your host max. Branstetter founder has producer. And max podcasting and you can reach me at max and max podcasting dot com for help bring in your podcast to life and using it as a business building tool. This is episode. One twenty four and today's guest is jerry miller the founder of farmers only dot com. Yes farmers only dot com one of the most incredible stories. You'll ever hear in this interview. We talked about the famous commercials. The famous jingle the famous site that has helped the lives of millions of members and we get jerry's thoughts on marketing breaking through the clutter and even some of his favourite commercials from other brands. It's farmers only dot com. Enjoy the show all already. We are here with. Jerry miller the founder of farmers only com jerry. Such a pleasure to have you how you doing today. I'm doing great. How about joe. I'm doing great well. This is really really cool. I mean i remember so much buzz that was created with your commercials and the jingle on the brand that you've created and now the fact that it's expanded to me and millions of of members is just incredible a distinctly remember first time discovering about farmers only dot com growing up. So this is really surreal. Also both of us hailing from northeast ohio. This was a perfect match here before we get into the farmers only story before you started farmers dot com. You worked in the marketing agency world. I was experienced there. It's been great. I've been in advertising marketing now for over forty years. I've seen a lot and done a lot. You can imagine working with hundreds of different types of projects but farmers only i. I always said i'm here. I am making other people. Successful came up with my own idea. Farmers only at took off the biggest settlement. You made yourself success as well. It was a passion. It was fun. So what was your favorite part about marketing in the first place. I think it was a good match for me. Because when i was in school i had a. I did this testing and they said. I tested extremely high in math abilities. But then i also got a scholarship in art for based on creativity. And i remember my guidance counselor saying actually those are like almost opposites. That's unusual because people that have a high q. In math are so structured. It's hard for them to be creative in because you're always thinking inside the box. Advertising marketing actually was the perfect field for me. Because is a math abilities of figuring out what the right demo is. Do you reach him. You know you're using television radio reach and frequency and a lot of numbers right but then you get into the advertising part. What is the message. And that's where you have to get creative. And i've always followed a simple rule that i read this book like thirty forty years ago. It said was recent trout position in the battle for your mine. It said that the average now this is again years ago said the average person's bombarded by you know at that time four or five hundred messages a day but only a few messages break through the clutter yet to figure out a way to be one of those messages that breakthrough so everything. I did for hundreds to different clients. I always use that form. How do i through the clutter. And i know with your podcasts. Business growth. have a lot of entrepreneurs listening the follow. You entrepreneurs always come up with great ideas but when you're trying to reach people if you have what i call the bla-bla-bla and message you can spend a fortune and nobody even pays attention to your message. And that's why a lot of people fail. So i've always tried to tried to break through the clutter from day one in broadcast and advertising in. That's so key in the marketing world in the entrepreneurship world to actually breakthrough that. Clutter to get your idea. Get your passionate out. That's one of the things that's fascinated me about. This world is how it is really right brain and left brain and as you said it's creativity and it's math which is why for the rest of this interview. I'm just going to throw a bunch of very complicated math problems at you okay. We could do that. Yeah but anymore. Were they trying to say that. Two plus two equals five now. So there's there's no correct answer. Let's get to the start of farmers dot com. What is the earliest inkling of whatever happened. That started this idea in your mind again. I worked with a lot of different types of businesses and clients. But i was at the time i was to win. Agricultural marketing for livestock across the country and i was talking the farmers and ranchers all the time and i met this one of my clients. She was a farmer and raised livestock. She on a personal level. She said that she just recently got a divorce and she was terrified that she's never going to meet anybody new in. How do i find. What are you talking about. You're a great person. you'll meet somebody she said. How do you meet somebody working on a farm all day in an isolated area and i go good point at right so and she said she already knew everybody in her small rural community. You know a church and functions and this and that and she was really scared and then she said to me she has. Maybe i'll try online. Dating and i said well i know that aunt member this is fifteen years ago and i said i know online dating taken off in. It seems to be working for people. I've heard some success stories and so didn't think too much about it. In about a couple months later again i was talking to refer business and i said oh by the way. Do you ever try that online. Dating and she goes. Yeah she goes on my goodness. It's said what's the matter. And she said well of the guys that contact with her from more urban areas and you know bigger markets and she goes. They can't relate to the lifestyle of farmer at all. Okay and i said what do you mean. She said well talk this. One guy and goes. Why are we meet at starbucks. Said you know seven tonight. She is first of all. There's most start. There isn't any starbucks anywhere near me. And i have to go to bed early because i had to get up at five in the morning and take care of the animals and he just couldn't relate to that at all right. Well that sounds just like city life. Yeah that got my attention. And i said I i started thinking about. That is a problem. People that live in rural areas the dating market is so small combined with a lifestyle person and the conflict of people that live in the hustle bustle world versus kind of the country lifestyle. Just got my attention. So when i was talking to other ranchers and farmers across the country out of curiosity you know i. I made a lot of friends. And i'd say. Hey joe are you married. And say i said. How'd you meet your wife and say well why she was my high school sweetheart. I talked to other people. they said. Now i never met anybody and more it really got my attention and i start dive into it even more and it was a serious problem for a lot of people that live in rural areas in especially the agricultural lifestyle. So i don't know what happened. Just said you know something. Onions start an online dating site for farmers in country. People right when i started bouncing it off of friends and associates. What do what do you know about. Farmers you know an online dating. I said why no. There's a need for it so i really start. I jumped in with both feet and put together the site. Thank goodness sinus. An advertising agency that. I had a lot of people on staff that just dabbled in technology and so it was fairly easy for me to put together. I did it on a shoestring budget. And when i launched it on the. Here's the one thing. I wanted to get across to your audience. I can't believe how many people told me that it was not a good idea. One very successful businessperson told me he goes. That's the stupidest idea you've never come up with about a year later. It was chicago airport reading usa today. And he called me up and he goes jerry. I'm sorry i said that. Because i'm i'm reading a full-page feature story about you in usa today so maybe it wasn't a bad idea. Oh my god that has to be an amazing feeling to see it. Come full circle like that. How did you get yourself in those early days to kind of keep going. Keep pushing on and and keep working on when it felt like everybody in the world except for the farmers that you talked to was like all right. Jerry what are you you know. Is this a serious idea again. I knew that i knew there was a need. I mean a serious need. Loneliness is is a serious problem. It's devastating for a lot of people so the way and marketed again. The breaks through the clutter. I always used a lot of like humor. And on if you've seen any of the farmers only commercials of course it's the funniest thing because a lot of people they would post them on youtube or you know they'd send it out viral and they go. I just saw the stupidest commercial i've ever seen. Check us out and people. They're saying they were cheesy list. That that in the meantime they were sharing with all their rents in a lot of them started going viral and it was always kind of slapstick humor to where i positioned the country against the city in situations. You know you'd have the country girl on a blind date. With the city slicker type thing and humorous situations right or vice versa. The country guy dating city girl usually a blind date and had lend itself for a lot of humor situations and you're like originator of viral content. And i feel like virology in the content world is something that so many brands companies people agencies strive to achieve these days but there's not like an exact formula to get something go viral. People just know that can do amazing things for attention for your brand. Did you set out to create buzz. Create that sort of viral nature. I think it happens by default. Because you see it now. I mean fifteen years later. See a little clip on the internet and all this is great. I got assurance from my friends right when people see something that's unusual they liked. Sheriff remember. i mentioned that every year bombarded by so many messages a day and remember fifteen years ago. They said four or five hundred messages a day right now. It's thousands you know with the internet. You don't even realize how many messages are trying to grab your attention each day in from driving down billboards bumper stickers signs. You go into a store. There's a thousand labels trying to get your attention. I mean jus- guac through through a supermarket. There's a thousand. Branding message is trying to get your attention. That's not even mentioning radio or television. Trying to grab attention is difficult. And there's true beauty in being unusual. And that's one of the things that i geek out about in this podcast on that note i think when people think of farmers only dot com immediately some of the things that come to mind are the commercials and jingle that is just immediately get stuck in your head so i'd love to touch on both of those. Where did this idea for doing commercials come from in the first place because not everybody wants to commit to that budget but it would. There's obviously some importance for you to do that. I've always always been a very strong believer in television. I mean i was. I was in radio for at the beginning my career and became the sales manager. Ver- radio station even is in radio. I believed in television because television. It's all your senses sight sound print. Everything's involved. I think video is the most powerful form of message interests even with all my clients from a lot of different categories. I'd always find a way to get him on television. Okay i mean everybody again. Twenty thirty years ago bay was like everything was newspaper. You know people are afraid to go on television. Thought it was too expensive but it's much more powerful and now television is going down. What's not going down. It's it's so frank minute right. I don't even want to call television anymore. It's still video. It's thinks you're watching. Yeah you're on the internet. I mean you're getting it with video clips. All the time he go to a news site and you have to watch five or six seconds of video clip before he can get to story videos still very strong it is crazy compelling there's a lot of upsides to it take us through crafting that first commercial and then it turned into a series of commercials. Yeah but verse commercial. It's it was. It's a humorous story because I up in southern ohio of near the corner of indiana kentucky. Ohio and my parents are living down there still and i had a Real inexpensive little. Dvr you know video camera in a couple of hundred dollars camera. Visiting my parents. I said are there any farms left around here because i grew up outside am not crazy rural but kinda on the outskirts and we had a lot of farms around us rate but over the years. They're all disappearing and it was that urban sprawl the suburbs just wiped out all the farmland. So my dad said yeah. If you head down towards indiana you'll find more farm so this is crazy story really i i said i gotta i gotta do a commercial for farmers only. I driving down the road. I see a farm right guy. i pull in. Go down a long gravel road. I bullied him in a guy comes out and you know who's a stranger driving down my long driveway. Right comes out. Started talking to him sir. Telling him how. I just started the site for farmers dating because well you know i've been married for a while now. His wife came out. There were younger couple. Middle age in all senate hit me. They had this big farm land with corn crops. That were just harvested. So they're all just cut down off the cuff. I said hey could your wife walked through the cornfields acting like she's lonely as any random person who shows up to a house unannounced. What ask right. Can you imagine this situation again. It was just. It was just a thought i go. I just visualize. She attracted so i take turn filmed her walk through the cornfield and she's just told no like a some of the crops in her hand and just kinda like days off look at the sky then after i got done i thank you so much by in and said you have any. Do you know anybody around here. It is horses and he goes. Yeah oh bill up the ill. He's got some horses ray. I drove up the hill and found his horse. You know his his farm. I pull in again total stranger. Okay i said. Hey i my story i said i'm putting together a tv commercial for farmers. Only it's dating for farmers bubba. I said can i get you to. I wanna film your horse like he's talking like you're too young but there is a tv. Show called mr ed yet. The talking horse. Right right. I i wanna i wanna shoot you know your oars with a camera so we got some peanut butter and put it on. The gun is gums and he started yapping away right and i filmed a lot of different angles and i i said what about. Can i get your dog doing the same thing so we do to the dog again. Thanks so i got this footage to put together this commercial. First of all. I took this footage. I went into production studio the production studio said jerry. We can't use this. This is terrible. It's low quality. I was it was hand held. I didn't even have a tripod. it was like the original shaky cam. It's like now now hollywood producers. Use the shaky cam. Look great to look cool. You're ahead of your time. So it was like extremely is low razz bad quality for television shaky cam and on and on but this commercial i put it together and i'm telling you for a few hundred dollars in went viral in commercial. You can still find it on youtube but it starts off it. It's the dog talking to the horse. And he goes. Where's jill in a dog. Said all she's out lonely walk into cornfields again. Showed her walking through the cornfield off at another cattle ranch. And i had these cows talking to each other and to go. They're all looking at the farmer. Holden's feed bucket in cows are talking to each other and they're going to you think dave will ever find his true love and the other cows said not hanging out with us all day and then i had I had some animation and this commercial. I mean i'm telling you. It only costs a couple of hundred dollars and also it started going viral. It was amazing. And i got it on some television real inexpensive spots and they started going viral. Then it started getting media attention on my goodness. that's a whole nother story. All sudden the cleveland plain dealer. They did a story it the same day or the day before. Newsweek magazine contacted me and they both hit. They went viral either not viral. But they got picked up by the. Ap wires is starts spreading across the country. I had over fifteen hundred requests for interviews in one week. It was the most insane thing ever. And if i was doing this podcast back. Then i would have been fifteen hundred and one. So you're you're lucky that you avoided another one there. Yeah it just kept on going. It was like every television network. You know nationally. Other local local broadcast stations did a story that got attention of the national in. Every magazine started contacting newspapers radio stations. They even got my home phone number somehow radio station in colorado and they called the goes jerry there. My way said no. He's not he's he's at work they go. Okay we'll try to contact and she said. I don't think you're going to be able to get a hold of as being bombarded by requests for interviews and they go well while we just interview you get. My wife has no no clue right and so it was like a morning talk show with the comedians on a country station in colorado. They were planning on doing like a one minute interview. They had her on there for like an hour taking calls she had no idea to stock in about but it just. It was an insane period of time. That is one of the best studies in bang for your buck. I've ever heard that commercial was like a lightning strike that started this crazy thunderstorm. Hurricane tornado of events that just created more and more buzz for you in the business in about that jingle which still to this day. I probably have the original jingle stuck in my head. How does that jingle come about. Well the head count at the line. You don't have to be lonely. Late at farmers only right ryan was definitely helped right and i believed in jingles big time because will. You grew up in northeast. Ohio i did Marketing for the loop stop. I met them when it was just an idea. It was just a concept of the ten minute. Oil change produced a jingle for them in education. One of the most recognizable jingles in northeast. Ohio and a couple other companies. We did jingles for and they always worked. It really helps you. You know brand recognition. So i always believed in jingle so have a farmers only jangle and did you craft the actual rhymes. I mean it was. Is that something that came together. Pretty quaker that take tons and tons of crumpled pieces of paper to get to know that was like it was just i mean what rhymes with only lonely so that was like a three second. You know decision. You just blew my mind right there and then that jingle has been come i it's definitely well known ed i'd be willing to bet. It's one of the more recognizable jingles in the country. Because you wouldn't believe how many again this is fifteen years ago. But it's still getting buzz out there. Fifteen years later chapelle did a skit and he incorporated farmers only dot com into a skit on saturday. Night live farmers. The punchline in a lot of national broadcast tv shows in other writers always somehow get farmers only in there. you know even on the kardashian's you know remember the tv show with the kardashians. I've never really heard of them. Well yeah right. Now i'm k. Courtney guest there. Is this thing where she goes. Yeah i signed you up on. Farmers only dot com as watching the nba game. This really blew my mind you know. How halftime if you're an nba fan but at halftime data. What's the name ernie. Johnson shaquille neo and and charles barkley kenny. The jet yeah. I'm watching this halftime show and also Charles barkley he goes. Did you see what's his carmelo. Anthony because did you see com. Royal anthony wearing a cowboy hat insecure and hillside. Yeah i saw him and he goes and all. Ernie johnson starts stinging goes. You don't have to be lonely at farmers only dot com also charles berkeley goes. Oh my goodness he goes. Farmers only dot com he goes. I saw this commercials. And i thought it was a joke so i checked it out. It's real and she killing. Ill goes he goes yet it's real. I did the same thing. I went to the site to find out. If it's real. I mean when you got shaquille o'neal ernie johnson. You know charles barkley talking about your your business in singing the jingle i mean. That's crazy isn't it. I would say so. Definitely i mean you found your way into the nba hanging with the kardashians on snl. Sky's the limit ellen. Degeneres did a whole skit on it on her. Show the country music awards with This is years ago but kellyanne. Or what's her name. Kelly underwood carrie underwood carrie underwood. She comes out with country singer and the opening of the awards. This big time country music awards on terrible with names our whatever. His name is his voice. Now blake shelton. Yeah blake shelton a broke down. I'm here for you at the names. Yeah good keep going. I guess he just broke up or something. And so kelly underwood base layers. Whatever his name is he comes out and they start singing go. Don't worry because you don't have to be lonely. At farmers only dot com. Oh my god. Yeah and on watching no highest state game in the national finals. It's like one of the highest rated ones ever twenty fifteen i think twenty fifteen and all of a sudden they did a thing where jimmy kimmel did a contest who had the most creative poster in the stadium and for jimmy come alive and he chose the one that said urban meyer met his wife fund farmers only okay now every time to stuff happens my phone like up with taxed going. Oh my god. I'm watching the game. You know how did you get on. How did you get an halftime on ours. State final the national football. And i go. i didn't i didn't set up same thing with the country music in saint every time that hollywood uses farmers only everybody thinks i set it up. No it's their writers. Their creative people go somehow. They just throw it in their family. Guy did a whole skit on farmers only so again. There's there's like literally a lot of these but it is kind of amazing. How all based idea that remember. Some people told me it was the stupidest idea ever and again back to your audience. I know you have a lot of entrepreneurs have good idea. That's based on a need and that's important thing not just. Everybody tries to build a better mouse trap and they ninety nine point nine percent fail but if you really have a good idea that you know there's a need for it don't give up. Don't listen friends relatives peers. That might not know what they're talking about. That's incredible advice and it always makes me think back to the jimmy v. speech don't give up don't ever give up that applies to so many things in life when you have a strong idea and a strong passion for an idea something you're building even if people are just telling you it's stupid clearly that doesn't mean it can't pan out and sometimes it could be the complete opposite and can just take off if you if you keep your mind right about it. Keep grinding away with that. Podcast as well. If you need help with your current or future podcast you can email me at. Max imacs podcasting dot com now back to jerry where we get a little bit wild. Let's switch gears a little bit. let's get to a fan. Favorite segment called the wild business shadow of the week. Wild business out of the week while visits shout out of the week. This is where we talk about a campaign creative marketing approach. That caught your attention. Obviously you are someone who himself in with his company. I've seen a huge amount of buzz worthy nature and breaking through the clutter and speaking about other brands. There's a particular commercial by geico. That kind of involves fitbit. I don't know if it's officially that really caught you and your wife's attention you tell us about that. I love geico commercials. I've even told some of my friends. I'd love to be on their creative team. I think the way that they do. Okay my wife. Every day she goes. Oh my goodness she wears fitbit. She goes all my. I only have five hundred steps in today. I gotta go for a walk in and she comes back later at night and says i now i'm up to twelve thousand steps. It's just so proud of herself every day. It's how many steps in over girlfriends talk about. How many steps. They got in some watching. Tv the other day and all sidon geico commercial comes on and again they never never show. It's gyco and beginning. You know you don't know what it is and it's a lady sitting on a park bench with her dog. Enter some runners. You know some joggers. Jog and by and see straps on her fit bit onto her dog's tail. Okay in his dog's tail is waving back and forth like real fast. You know everyone's like a step in the dog runs around. the park. dog comes back. She goes oh my god. I'm up to forty thousand steps. We'll hulu and she starts like high five in the runners drug running by what a great commercial. I thought i was just unbelievable because what they do is they take a real life situation that you don't think that much about put in a creative way and then it's gyco you know decision with the brand but you definitely remember their name and all marketing most people on any decision they make a purchasing something usually nail it narrow down the two or three choices. And you'd better be one of those two or three companies least on the radar if you're thinking about insurance what ian thank you remember geico progressive. Which is the same corny stuff and some of the other ones. They saw the the growth of progressive in geico through corny. Great of commercials. So what now. Every insurance company is trying to go that route you know. State farm went that route to liberty mutual. But a lot of times. I think they're forced humor. I still like the purity of geico yet and they have such a crazy wide range of commercials like obviously they have the infamous hump day. One they have the ones with the squirrels. I guess they've covered like every animal now. But there is just something so memorable about them and they're just simple not very time consuming to take in not very hard to understand but they're just they're fun in cornyn people like funding corny. And i think most importantly hopefully out of this interview. We can get you a job whether it's on the team or as an advisor to geico's marketing team there you go. I'd love to be in that greed of room. Let's wrap up with some rapid fire. A are you ready for it. Sure all right. Get your seatbelt buckled. Let's get wild. What is your biggest pet peeve Annoying people that don't realize they're annoying. Sorry about that. Not you max. On another note i love to talk about creativity. Something you said earlier when you were talking about how you started this whole rocket ship on a shoestring budget filmed the commercial for just two or three hundred dollars. You're very very resourceful. What's a quick tip. You can share about being resourceful or finding bang for your buck and things. I would say back to my original thought you have to break through the clutter if you spend a thousand dollars on marketing and everybody that you expose notes it remembers it versus you. Spent one hundred thousand dollars on marketing and only one percent of people not even pay attention to it at all. It's exactly the same. Our return on investment. That's so true in another another note. I'm sure you have endless stories from the millions of members and people whose lives you've touched the amount of people whose lives you've changed is just unbelievable. Can you share it a quick story. That's either heartwarming or surprising. Something that comes to mind about a member members who've used farmers dot com a. I do have a million but one of my favorites is talking to a She told me his story that she wants to ohio state university and her husband went to ohio state university and they actually worked out the same jim she. She actually worked at the gym. Sign and people him. He worked out there all the time too so they probably ran across each other every day but never met and she was a horse person. She was an equestrian and he was a farmer. Okay raise cattle. Grew at a and But he was an athlete. He's kind of a famous athlete at ohio state. He was on the football team. You're talking about kirk herbstreet. Now know anyways they met on farmers only. Isn't it amazing where they probably walked by each other. Every day every other day for a long period of time and they met on farmers only but she told me one of the craziest stories. She was actually engaged to marry someone but he was. I calm city slickers. But he was the city slicker. They were talking about after they get married. Where they're gonna live and she went ahead. Write out in the country and have a lot of land resources and he said why don't we can live in the suburbs will just keep the horses in the garage. And that's when she said i did. This is not gonna work out and she ended. The relationship ended up on farmers. Only and madly in love met the perfect guy. They got two or three kids now. I visited farm out in the middle of nowhere with their madly in love. This is years and years ago. My slogan for farmers only was city folks. Just don't get it. And that kind of summed it up. This guy really thought that you could just keep horses in the garage. Will my horses in the garage. Very conflicted by that statement but no that really is amazing and it's cool that even people who are living in a more city area or have lived there at some point in their life. There's a lot of success stories using farmers only dot com from that standpoint as well so very very cool all around jerry you have created so much magic and touch so many people's lives and it's so cool that it all goes back to hearing about this real need that's out there and finding a solution for it. This has just been amazing. Thank you so much for your time. Where's the best place for people to connect online with either you personally or farmers only dot com which i guess just said farmers only just go to our farmers only dot com. You can sign up for free but profile and kick the tires and all that so me personally. I'm a little bit off the radar as you can always find me on lincoln. Broadly there we go in last thing. Final thoughts it could be a quote or a lion or just any parting advice. You have take us home here. City folks just don't get it. I don't get it. Thank you so much. Jerry for coming on the show sharing the unbelievable inspiring farmers only dot com story and thank you listeners for tuning into another episode if you want to hear more wild stories like this one make sure to subscribe to this podcast on your favourite at and tell a friend about the wild business growth podcast. You can also find us on good pods in for any help with podcast production. You can check out max. Podcasting dot com until next time. Let your business run wild goes.

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Show #49 "Laughs" TV Show starring Bob Dubac, John Pate & Ron Robertson Open!

Standup Comedy "Your Host and MC"

26:00 min | 6 months ago

Show #49 "Laughs" TV Show starring Bob Dubac, John Pate & Ron Robertson Open!

"This is another episode of standup comedy. Your host and emcee celebrating forty plus years on the fringe of show business stories interviews and comedy sets from the famous and not so famous. Here's your host and mc scott at words hi and welcome to this week show. I've put together something. I think you'll enjoy. I've done this a couple times before in begun over very well with the listeners. As i've mentioned. I had a couple of tv series back in the late eighties in this particular show was from one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and i'm going to present that. Tv show as it happened on this podcast. So you'll be able to hear. The comics live on stage but from a tv show and nineteen eighty-seven now cut out the commercials but it doesn't include the video of the week. Which in this case was a music. Video includes very funny song by john pate now. The comedy itself has three grade acts. The closer is bob. Do back at los angeles california. He's an actor and a very funny comic. And then the feature act was from right here. In sacramento very high energy talented comic. Jerry miller who is Not only appeared on my tv show but was it laughs in the park at the club several times and then opening things up a comic. That didn't work for us too much. He was out of texas. Ron robertson but these three great acts along with the music video that comes in the video of the week will be heard on this podcast. Nas- i said i'm going to present it as it air tonight. Eighty seven on tv. And i will just have one slight interruption. And you'll hear it as it was presented. So let's get started with this show. Our first act is a very funny stand up comic out of texas. He'd worked clubs all over the west coast He did only make a few appearances at laughs unlimited. But i know you'll enjoy him. Let's listen to ron robertson. Now here's your host welcome. What a have a good show tonight or headliner coming off. Do back right now. We have a special treat. Point gentleman comes all the way from texas. That's ron right air. You a ban these guys greater what you're looking like. I don't think so pal. Got like a comic to me boy her from accounting then he said and from texas amazingly enough in texas the thing. We're most proud of the alamo lettuces an amazing battle one hundred and fifty brave but not bright taxes against three thousand mexicans. Yeah fifty against three thousand now. Obviously math wasn't strong. Suit here going our at hundred vehicles into three thousand now. I can see how they somewhat confused three thousand mexicans. Now has roughly two carloads right picture to fifty seven chevies coming towards the alamo santana driving going get down. This hill turned on the radio. Sunday here or why day. What defend at the best entertainment towns not any nightclub go to mcdonald's. Location makes no difference to costs two dollars and fifty three cents paid for it with three one dollars bill. Now stand back and watch you may as well ask the russians to the moon all of a sudden manage. I'll be right back. Notice the difference between a man and a woman killed bug guy can be reading a newspaper bug across awhile ago. Not a woman a woman and make a safari out of it right start to stock that baby rising try and find the biggest thing in the house to kill it with right like telephone book back twenty. Beat run any making karate. Sounds now chance this bug heart attack. Espn squished not. Kill him or something that bay. She's not going to throw it away with one piece of tissue us a whole toilet paper right. I think it's like what are you doing. Yeah but you realize you have a five dollar bug and you also knows the difference between away a man and the woman game. Wait now the hamlet see gangway seven hundred pounds big factor goop wife game three ounces joe but here look over and go you know hunting vada way to get rid of your big. He's got an option right. Honey you gaining weight to this guy get an attitude right hill the wear the same damn side of pants i did and we got married so yeah but honey you wearing them down to here now. He knows a good man in shop. You guys realize that women go shopping in trump close with no intention of buying. Go figure man now guys. Don't do this stay in iran going. You're you go to the mall. Like on some bands like hail england. Look at me herb. You scaring me. Also article in esquire. Talking about new contraceptives for contraceptives. Not about the rescue guys. But so far. The only contraceptive i've needed has been my personality. You can read my new book. Sullivan slimmer let new pill for men right. Ladies think that's a good idea appeal for me and let me ask you though. Would you ladies trust the guy to remember to take these things. You may as well buy a bassinet tonight. You believe that right now saying that debris class in high school was supposed to help us do some kind of let us down and teach. We could really use key example. Driver's education drive the way they taught you in driver's education In the eighties. Drive that way. Now you're a dead man right. Taught us this kind of stuff right. Have you ever seen any primate. do this before. Come on. I don't know about you guys. There's only one hand signal. I ever saw used car. Didn't tell me which way to turn either. Did it joined the show. Ron robinson ladies and gentlemen. Let's go to a commercial break. We'll be right back after this. That was Ron robertson in. He is a very talented comic out of texas. Not sure what. He's doing these days. But as i mentioned he made a few stops at the club back in the late eighties. And i'm sure you enjoyed this comedy. Coming up now is a local comic. Jerry miller and also a music video. That was part of our video of the week that was presented on our tv show as a said earlier from nineteen eighty seven. I also wanted to point out that you may have noticed that my voice is rather horse in these introductions and what it was from. The tv show was the way television works is. We actually taped three different half hour shows in one night so it took us probably two hours two and a half hours with all the breaks and setups and tear downs and the audience was great and hung with this but what was interesting. This was the last of that evening in other words. I'd been emceeing for several hours in because of the high energy the tv show. I trained my voice. So i come across rather horse. I just wanted to give you a little background all right. Let's get back to our tv show from nineteen eighty-seven here comes a comedy set by jerry miller a video of the week and right after that i'll go into our headliner bob do back. So let's hear some great comedy. By jerry miller. Welcome back folks. Hope you enjoyed the show. You gotta tell all right. We have someone very special for help. This gentleman was one of the finalists of the great northern california. Comedy competition Let's have a nice round. Plus from nova county jerry miller right here jerry. Miller give up trying to do for the wine country. We'll get some wine drinkers here as great right on your been the wine country. You've been wine tasty. Then those guys paying. This is a sharp natural likable k. Fresh knows one of the legs. I wanna walk up to these guys go. Oh dude put a hit on. That bad boy shows you like as well as shows like mutual of omaha kingdom. Yeah me too idiot. Marlin perkins it psychic jungle gym mental giant. Jim was here. He's getting the dookie kicked out by a wild end. The marlins helicopter with a pitcher amid juleps saying. Yeah while jim place tag. That king cobra fly on ahead. That's up another batch of these corporate head butter maybe to kick the dookie out of him writer boy when you're tied up like in uni mutual of omaha the all time greatest wildlife series. This is the undersea adventures of jacques cousteau devils into the of and dover to the ocean down nail we discover how strong ronge and unusual creatures and then a different habitated. My son joke s. He decided to try his hand. At this clinic. Elude of the animals we seek it. Lingus monitors gama known. Is the details. Well real unusual america. They were on the ocean floor. Spawning this is win. The mail mounted they be that the home next week when my son is. He showed dive into the icy. What the guest. Alaska william an attempt to use correct. They bamako's detest killer. Wear to be better moving experience. You've been a great ground. Have a good time. Jerry miller goldberg joined the show right else. Go back on the streets and take a look at tony. Came phone taken away. Tony making here with another home video of the week and this week's home video the week. Thank you this week's home. Video comes to nashville tennessee. Where john peyton center in a country western video. So let's see john. I everybody knows. I love my wife. She's a sweet as she can meet all but she's got a knack forgiving her way. They don't feel so good honey. I'm tired and i can't take no more black and blue. My head is sewer. Thanks go dark. And i hit the floor and you don't feel sorry for me. I'd say that road. Thank you can throw a tantrum fit you that on a date. I don't find spanish. I guess it's only fair. But when she goes into her why pour it's time for medicare her face stirs red meat. Thanks y through the air. I got your member for her next birthday to buy tupperware one day that cantor day talking about a divorce. Does i keep guessing one of these days. I'm a sure. And i can find respite. Peace no more panzer as well as we get older. You could throw tantrums over with scream as lance thunder. But it won't bother me. Wow what a great bill. And that was that was from john. Paid for nashville. Tennessee banks a lot. John scott we'll be back with more laughs right after this. We'll be right back with more laughs right after this right now. We have our headliner for tonight. Show a regular. Labs them workforce many many times over the years. He's an actor. His work a lot out of los angeles is going to make things so. Sit back ladies and gentlemen. Let's air bob do back right here bob. Well thank you very much. I guess you can tell them wearing glasses. Those of you can't probably need them glasses. Make you look smarter. I guess is that the The adage what do you wear important. I'm gonna make you think of scott said hope. Nobody has an aversion to this. Well just bear with us for a while right if you are thinking. You will laugh. If you're not thinking won't laugh good genius in the back. That's great You guys we only use eighteen percent of our brain as it is eighteen percent. That leaves the rest. I think we'd ever think about think about it. Come on if god created time ten minutes early. that means we'd never be late for anything. Lived every day like it's the last day of your life that means one day you might be right. Now you're thinking costume paraly- we put a chair in your head. Go out his used gum. Think about it. Think about how you can have some fun tomorrow. You have some fun you drive down the street and people bust up waiting for a bus drive past a row. You win down. Hey by saint coming today rolling up you check out before you leave rearrange. The furniture freaks out the maids and they don't speak english so they can't complain to anybody. Can they the truth. Time you a department store. Pretend you work there. Somebody comes up to you all the time and says hey you work here. Yep how much tv take it. It's yours go ahead and laugh. Laugh all the time you laugh. You'll never die. You know this. I've never seen anybody stretch out the grin on the face of you. Think about it laughter. Therapeutic. it is good for you. It releases endorphins in your brain. That's a body to kumasi to morphine. You want to catch a buzz. Tell yourself a knock knock joke all right. Lord norman cousins proved this in the hospital riddled with cancer and put it into remission watching old buster keaton movies. You want to get rid of a cold. Hang out and watch your young drivers. Try to get on laugh. Laugh all the time when you laugh laugh when other people are ticked off. Because that makes it a hell of a lot for you. You're in a traffic jam. The guy next horne cussing at you knew the window. Just turnover go. Make sure your doors lot. You're in an elevator with a bunch of people push all the buttons of the top out. Go back down. Pick up another group do it again dude all day long. You don't work there. You pick up somebody a second time go hi member me laugh and thank you wash hands. Somebodies sink in the bathroom sink. Is that little brass dish tool soaps. Use them you know these. They look like roses and apples and oranges and shells their soaps us and i mean us every single one of them to use them so much all a bunch of grapes. When you throw them your hands a little dirty and wipe that off white monogram styles. Nobody uses either. Hang outside beauty salon and laugh at people coming out. Come on laughing. A boy. I tell you. I'm tired of stupidity in public. I mean we can be morons on wrong but let's quit being morons in public. What do you say you want to look for your keys for an hour. The privacy of your own home fine with me. Don't walk around outside going where to put them. We can see. I think if you if you get caught doing something stupid and public. You should get charged for making a lot of stupid law office. Billy bush about the elevator. The elevator button is lit. The elevators coming. Somebody will walk right in front of you and push that button again. Hey five bucks damning coming any faster. Let's go five. Why because he did something stupid. I caught you be five bucks pay. Hey it's the long stupid love you never heard about it. You know why because you stupid. Now you'll be ten bucks. They pay bruiser stupid charging five more house down south of people talk stupid more. I'm not saying the sound moronic. Mendome not women. Southern accent on woman is pretty sexy going to department on chemicals and help you guy. it sounds stupid. I know we'll get drunk. Piss on log. what he's i Hey by buxbaum stupid. Because when they move their lips give no a bunch of quiz down there. Some poor bastard from new york bar in montgomery alabama. But you read next. Look go how you doing there. He's like kick your ear to here. You got out what you're talking to you too. Don't you have a good night bob. Do back we'll be right back after this welcome back. We'd like to thank ron robertson. Gary miller and of course bob new back the show was bob do becker very funny headliner. That worked for the club for many years. He was also an actor. And you might recognize him if you Look them up. On google from several tv shows but he was one of our regular acts allows unlimited and a very funny guy. Hey i hope you enjoyed this podcast. There was some terrific. Stand up comedy by ron robertson. Jerry miller and bob do back in somewhere in the middle there. You heard a little music video done. By john pate. That was all part of our tv show in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Well thanks for listening. We hope you had a good time. Be sure to tell your friends and share it and if you get a chance go to our website and let us know what you think. Thanks for listening by. You enjoyed this episode of standup comedy. 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081: Growing a successful business with solopreneur and artist Brenda Priest

Artist Soapbox * Local Artists on Creative Process

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081: Growing a successful business with solopreneur and artist Brenda Priest

"Hey everybody welcome to artists. Soapbox artists soapbox podcast featuring triangle area artists list talking about their work their plans their manifestos. I am your host. Tamra sane brenda priest is a pen in an artist and solo entrepreneur in this episode. She talks about her journey from a nine to five or two freelancer to running her own successful business. During our conversation brenda doles out some incredibly helpful tips for budding entrepreneurs from the practical to the philosophical. She even shares her excellent excellent elevator pitch. I was really inspired by brenda's drive community spirit and intention -ality and i love that she's constantly learning. I'd love love to hear your takeaways from this episode on facebook instagram twitter or email at artists soapbox at g. Mail dot com brenda priest creates. It's incredible hand drawn sketches from photographs of buildings including homes historical buildings and collegiate landmarks recently she was commissioned to illustrate sports stadiums throughout the united states including lambofield wrigley field fenway park and dozens more check out her website your door and more dot com to see her work and read stories of people who received are striking drawings as wedding gifts anniversary gifts house closings and more brenda is the twenty one year resident of holly springs north carolina being a stay at home parent. She converted her freelance work to a full-fledged business. She says that all she learned came from the collaborative experience of her fellow business owners enjoy the episode hi brenda hi there. Thank you so much for being here today. Hey let's start by talking about the scope of your business. Would you describe the work that you are doing. Yes i am <hes> brenda priest. I own your door and more panic illustrations. I work from photographs. I work on top of a photograph. I i sketch homes buildings and architecture. It's completely hand drawn. I used drafting tools like a t square technical pens rulers and every single line that i draw represents form texture light in shadow so with these lines i bring life to a particular structure and the landscape surrounding capturing the essence of what is important and the focus so really every detail is important. My sketches are completely black and white. I don't add any color. I have been asked many many times. Can you to watercolor top. Can you colored pencil this. It's not my groove. I have found a niche that really works for me so i stay exclusively black and white during during christmas season or i call it christmas in july because i don't really do any sketches and december. I will add a red bow on a wreath on the front door or on windows and those are hand colored but that is the extent of my colorization of my sketches now. Why did you do this by hand as opposed to using fancy computer software application this pen and ink drawing technique is something i learned when i was an intern between my freshman and sophomore year <hes> i have a degree in interior design in architecture and my summer job was working in design office and being so junior they threw you in the drafting room kind of the bullpen were all the grunt work gets done and i was sitting next to this quote older man probably in his fifties and now i'm in my fifties and and but anyway i was i was nineteen at the time so he was an old man. We were drawing in pencil drafting these particular blueprints and he said why are using pencil. You need to be inking using these technical pins so over over that summer. He taught me how to do this. Technique called inking or pendant inking so it is a refillable cartridge pens the brand i use kohinoor and i use a waterproof india ink and it creates very thin lines depending on the thickness of the nib so it's it's similar to a calligraphy pen but it is minute and it is one thickness per pen <hes> so this technique is brought back when i went to back to college and it was just just in my arsenal of skills but i never really used it until i was on maternity. Leave was working looking for an architectural office in kerry husband and i had a her child i was headed on maternity. Leave and we had a sweet young bubbly internet that would come in and i was feeling ninety nine months pregnant and the intern would come in on monday tired and haggard looking and i thought what man she's living vivacious. Lee tell me about it reagan. Tell me about what you're doing and she said well. I'm going to school fulltime. I bartend and i'm doing any sketches on the side and i'm like talking about. She said i am ten ninety nine inning for this woman. Who does the parade of homes sketches. Oh and i thought wow that's really cool so we talked about it a little bit over lunch and she said yeah i just i just need to quit. She is so much work. I can't can't keep up with school interning hair and bartending on the weekend and i said gosh. I knew i know how to do that. I learned how to do that in college so i i met the woman <hes> at that point i was living in holly springs and this woman lived in few verena which is literally like five miles from my house so really <hes> turned out to be an amazing long-term relationship. I never went back to work. I became a ten ninety ninety nine employee for her. I paid my taxes. I literally picked the workup from her with my two kids in tow went home. Put my pajamas on. Let the kids play and i worked at the kitchen table doing these sketches. And how long did you freelance before you made the leap into starting your own business. <hes> i started freelancing in ninety nine and two thousand eight when the housing crunch occurred is when the work dried up for her <hes> which meant the work dried up for me. Her husband also started working for her. He was in the construction field and it dried up so he started working for her as well and then my kids were going to elementary school preschool elementary school so so it was an opportunity for me to figure something out. I knew i loved being mom. That was really important. It was a conscious decision that my husband jim and i made for me to be mom and that is what i had that is what he had and and we didn't have a fancy minivan. We didn't move. We've been in our same house for twenty one years. We don't do a lot of fancy vacations but i was mom and that was really important so figuring out what i could do to have income to do have that connection with my kids. I'm a flexibility like stability yeah year round school that was that was a big thing we're in wake county and we had year round school and and i love the concept but i was not sure how to re enter into the workforce after being out for eight years doing doing this obscure hand drawing right so it really was a natural evolution of okay. I have this skill and i didn't consider it a talent. I felt it skill and it took me. I i think at least ten years to say it's a talent. That's kind of a personal evolution that i went through well. I would like to interject here and say that i've seen your drawings and absolutely it is a wonderful talent they have they're beautiful and also skill because you mentioned that you learned how to do this technically but i don't know many people who could do the kind of work that you do you so i think we all have to walk our own path and accepting our artistry and that isn't evolution over the course of our lives but i'm glad that you that you got there but it is a leap right because so working for somebody else in an office and then becoming a freelancer those are two distinct steps in in a career path but making the leap from being a freelancer to being your own boss and all the complicated financial administrative administrative even psychological <hes> burden that can come with that yes that's. That's a big jump. Can you talk a little bit about how you got there yeah <hes> in business it is called. What is your why w. h. y. And my why why i was doing this was my family. I wanted to maintain that mom presence. I wanted an income <hes> i. I wanted something. That was completely my own. I wasn't working for somebody again. The the year round school issues <hes>. I became a mom for newer and that is a term that is out there. You can google it. Minorities working your business around the lifestyle of your family and with this business. I have five years ago. I basically shut down the business because i have my mother-in-law to take care of and she had alzheimer's and it was the hardest but it was the best two years of my life but then when it was she passed i was able to pick it back up and move forward so it's a lifestyle choice choice. It's definitely entrepreneurship. Mom preneurs ship <hes> business ownership is a lifestyle choice and there are some sacrifices i mean less than it was up till eleven thirty working on projects but the benefits is this one i go somewhere. I'm sitting in the dentist's office. I met carpool. I have my sketch board and i'm working on landscape. We're doing the straight lines but i'm working on the squiggly lines in the grass and the overall <hes> composition so christmas in july eli. Is that an example of this kind of flexibility so you you do the work for the christmas. Projects in the middle of the summer are so that you're not working through the holiday season yes and that is something that i learned. That was a learning curve. <hes> <hes> there had been several years that i did not get my christmas decorations nations up until like the twenty second just in the nicotine under the wire so i <hes> it. Was that learning curve of no. I i love projects. I love orders but <hes> my boundaries are. I really don't take projects after thanksgiving living because it really gets busy and there's other things i need to be doing and there are a lot of arts and crafts vendors shows that i do during that period as as well so i really only still sell stock images at that point talk a little bit about the stock images because i don't think we covered this as yet so in addition to drawing the custom drawings wrecked of homes. You also draw other things. You talk a little bit about that. I do <hes> the the right and the ownership people have of their alma. Mater uh-huh of their high school of their town is incredible people love where they've been so i do have some many many many many images of locations patients in holly springs because i lived there and have lived there for twenty one years and it's very growing town <hes> but i've got lots of college sketches there matted in a plastic sleeve different sizes but u._n._c. chapel hill u._n._c. greensboro do n._c. State meredith and the list on so. I'm trying to add at least one a month and when i get a specific request i have a friend. Her daughter just got accepted into clemson. I did or a clemson sketch so so it it's just a nice memento. It's excitement if a child is graduating high school and they're going to clemson in and excited in something they're going to stick. Maybe anna in a frame maybe they'll stick it on the shelf and when when they're adults they'll open up the bookshelf and say oh my gosh i have to sketch of clemson and i went there and i love my alma mater so it's a memento of period in time an era that people can go back and think about we're we're very transient people uh-huh so capturing that moment <hes> just driving over here today i thought of a phrase capture sure your history <hes> i draw your history and i think the fact that you do this by hand adds another personal touch to it sort of filtered through another person's eyes somehow makes it even more special to receive steve. You know it's <hes> because i do think that what you're offering has more impact than just just photograph and that's not to denigrate photography as an art form but for example a photograph that i would take on my iphone there what you are offering up is is is the acknowledgement of the significance of this place and you're and the stories associated with it and i imagine that when when people receive these items they have all sorts of different kinds of responses do you have. Do you have a story that you could share related to that. I do you <hes> there are lots and lots of hands over the mouth l. hands over the mouth. <hes> tears gasps. How did you do this. This can't be real. <hes> it really is exciting and that is one of the things that gets my mojo going. Is that emotional response that i have to them seeing seeing my art work because this piece of artwork it's from my soul but it's not my complete creation. I'm really of vessel a tool for them to capture their image and <hes>. I have some really great stories. <hes> uncle eddie was a veteran and every other sunday. He came over to sunday dinner and he posted the u._s. Flag on the porch and saluted the flag so in this one sketch the woman said you've got to put a flag on this porch because does it brings me back to those sunday dinners often i am working with the memory keeper of the family whether it be a son or a daughter her and <hes> perhaps dad has passed mom is in ill health moving and it's very hard because these people up in this house <hes> one particular family the dead past mom had alzheimer's the kids had to sell the house and the mom kept calling her son her husband's name she was just stuck in the past so i did the sketch and he gave it to her for mother's day several years ago and she opened it and she turned to her son in said kenny. This is is our house so it brought her back to. This was my house. I was lived there with my husband and i had children so really was he. He he called me. Actually crying this grown man. It was very emotional another. We'll talk a little bit about the banners but i have another. They're fabulous banner story. I was at an event in durham. This giant burly man came up to me greying in the temples and he looked at my sports banners and he pointed out three rivers stadium and he started tearing up and he said i'm gonna he pointed at the banner he said. I'm going to tell you something about this. He said i'm going to buy this super. I'm going to tell you a story. He said i was a young teen and philly. I was about twelve years old and he said i was on the verge of getting in trouble getting in trouble. We'll get in trouble. He said someone at our church saw. I was on the verge and got me a job. After the football games a crew of teenagers swept the stadium you start at the top and you sweep all the trash and the detritus this down to the bottom of the field and then they have these bulldozers that take all the trash away and he said he did that for four years. He said he would take the subway home at like two in the morning but he knew the next day he had to get up and go to school because if he did not have good enough grades he could not what do the job and then his supervisor at the stadium recommended him for the naval academy this young boy from philly recently gently retired from the navy o- showed me his navy ring and he had tears in his eyes he said you don't know what this means to me. This stadium this banner so even as we talk gives me goosebumps yes. It's really cool. That's those are wonderful stories. Thank you so much for sharing them. I think i took us a little bit off track because we were talking. We started talking about the arts entrepreneur entrepreneur ship and how you got into that and then we also started talking about all the great stories related to the homes so i wanna take us back. We'll walk it back a little bit. You wrote <hes> you when i exchanged some emails prior to our interview today you wrote with a degree in interior design and architecture could sketch but didn't know how to business my kids went to school and i went to barnes and noble to learn how to run a small business so i'm curious about kind of the pivotal business ideas that led into your success and if you had any missteps along the way oh yeah only only one point million million <hes> my process was seeing yes <music> and that is something that entrepreneurs will say he say yes and you figure it out later so i said yes. <hes> in holly springs things at that point <hes> there was a networking group and met at a coffee shop once a week. A friend of mine dragged me along i had met in the p._t._a. And she's just com- you're starting this business. You've got to kind of figure out how to do things so i went to this networking group and it really was a group group of individual business owners. There was a realtor. There was an attorney there was several multilevel marketing individuals walls insurance people security and then there was this artist brenda so i just kept going back and end in these networking groups i learned how to present my concept might product and what we call a thirty second commercial and that is a very common business term. It's something that all of the business classes teach you if you meet someone in in an elevator under literally seven seconds. What can you say to them. In those first seven seconds that will make them listen to the remaining twenty three seconds so you get that hook you figure out what that is. I learned how to introduce myself and make conversations shins with individuals. I attended different meetings so once. I got comfortable going to networking meetings in holly springs. I was like oh. There's one in kerry she's going there. Oh hi no her. I can hang out with her for a minute and then branch off and introduced myself to others or find something talk about with others so then i started going to a networking group and kerry and then i went to one and apex and then i went to chapel hill and i found because because i was so unique in what i did and i was able to offer these sketches i found i was getting getting quite a bit of projects from networking so i just figured it out. <hes> i took some some classes. One in particular was one hundred days to abundance and it was an in person class. It was a lot of homework but it it really taught me those basic business principles. I have a degree in interior design architecture. I don't have a business degree. Where did you take that class. It was in raleigh. I believe bill. Davis is teaching this class still to this day and it's a business class. It is a business class interesting tang okay. Yes i also attended several free events. Wake tech offers a lot of non credit credit. Continuing education classes quickbooks marketing pinterest facebook all of these tools that you need to run a business. You can do them online. I was actually looking last night. There's one. I missed on oetzi. Let's see that's offered by wake tack but it's been recorded and i can go back and watch it <hes> so that's on my to do list so brenda. What is your elevator your pitch. Would you say my elevator pitch. When you go back to your hometown. Do you drive by your old house to see what it looks like the condition yes absolutely if you do i i am able to work from your photograph to create a hand drawn sketch to capture those moments in your memory you that you can hang on your wall and look at and remember forever brinda priest your door and more penetrations well done. What a great opening hook. That was it. Is you create create a picture using words. I love that you started with a question yes because then i couldn't disengage right. I couldn't like tune you out and be in think to myself. Blah blah blah her business. Blah blah blah like i had to be not with you in that conversation. That's really good yeah. I like that thank you for sharing. I use that often now. You talked about how when clients. Let's see your work and they have this kind of response. You also feel that like you get goosebumps. The hair on your arm stands up. You know what i mean and you feel emotional along with them but based on what you're saying now and the conversation that we had prior to today. It sounds like you also have a certain <hes> <hes> more objective approach to your product so you in other words you kind of treat your art like like a widget like like a product that you are selling. Yes and that seems really important. Could you talk about that a little bit because i started doing the sketches ages as a contractor the individual that utilize my sketches it was simply a marketing tool for her for her okay and for the builders it was a pretty picture that they put in a magazine to sell a spec house to sell a subdivision up for planned banned books for them to flip through. It didn't have any emotional attachment to the end user. It was a widget. It really was a widget then when housing crunch came in two thousand eight. I was racking my brain again trying to figure out this this skill into a business. I did a few sketches for people for friends. Oh it's my mom's birthday. Oh it's this something something something something so. I did a few sketches and i was really blown away at their reaction and then. I just thought i could make this into something. It is very unique. There is a longtime artists in kerry. His name is jerry miller. He is the e premier pen and ink illustrator on the east coast. He's also i would say in his eighties he is he's not able to do the fine detail work pen and ink anymore. He does have an order fulfillment process so he supplies a lot of of artwork two gift shops and its stock imagery is colleges universities <hes> small towns he would would go up and down the east coast doing arts and crafts vendors shows. Jerry miller started lazy days in carey so he didn't have to travel in august because he he lives in kerry. I met him through my former employer and he grabbed my arm and he said i'm so glad someone's doing this because this is really important but he wasn't doing. He wasn't often doing individual homes. He was doing more buildings structures for towns and iconic landmarks so i knew you what i was doing was very unique. I'm not the only one in the world. There's if you google if you wanna oetzi you'll find other illustrators but i feel like this is my <music> growth. This is my niche. I've been doing this for thirteen plus years now on my own and there's not a lot of market saturation. Let's talk about the banners yeah you you also draw stadiums and big slick sports arenas. I'm not a sports person jason so i have a hard time talking about these things are talk a little bit about how how this contract came to you and how it all has unfolded so so this is my pivotal business concept right here okay and it is yes yes so in january a two thousand eleven i literally got a phone call from a company in the midwest called winning streak and all they do is make sports memorabilia banners so they do penance. They do hanging signs they do all kinds of things in this is all they do you so they have deep connections with all of the n._f._l. Teams owners players managers that whole microcosm microcosm of sports memorabilia so their competitor came out with a new line of products and winning streak wanted kid to have something even better so their images were photo shopped images were hand drawn so they said we want to create create the twelve cooperstown baseball fields for you to hand sketch them. We're going to print up a small run and bring them to our trade. Show bill and see how it goes before we did that. We had to come to terms financial terms right again. This is two thousand eleven. I'm it's not that far into it. They said we're gonna just pay a flat fee and i said okay. I really wanted a price per piece but they were not willing to negotiate <hes> it was a hard no they said we have done this in the past and it's not financially profitable for us and if you don't take it we'll go to the next person awesome. Wow so i thought long and hard i talked to my husband about it so i figured okay twelve sketches times my flat fee. That's good. That's a good consistent price for a mom. I kept i kept for a mom. I say that often for an artist business person it was it was a good deal so they did the sketches since i've been working for them. I have literally not met these people in person. Every transaction is done e mail and phone call while for eight years yes <hes> so they send the first acquire the license for the particular product. They send me the image. I'm sketching from. I do the sketch. I scan it. I upload it to their server. They send it through the manufacturer. They send me a sample and then i order product and then they're sold all over the world and they keep coming back to you for more so do hasn't just been twelve sketches. No i have seventy five plus sketches so i have sketches for the n._f._l. N._f._l. So we're talking teams like the philadelphia eagles. The phil leased the cowboys so i'm not a sports person. It's satirical so he'll call me up and say okay. We're doing bryant denny stadium. Where is that and i and i say jay okay. Is that baseball or is that he's like. Oh my god brenda in easy out more. No i'm with you. I've never heard of that place in my life alabama emma okay college. Wow i've learned a lot. I have tried to catch up on the everything so seriously i have not met these people people in person ever ever ever ever ever and how did the end. They found you online then have done they did my husband is a programmer so i've always had a pretty decent website with good s._e._o. Search engine optimization so that's how they found me <hes> so it sounds like what you're saying is that you made the hard decision to say yes to these sketches even though they wouldn't negotiate <hes> anything other than a flat fee eh by saying yes to that it gave you the opportunity to then do a total of seventy five at this point and in growing and growing and and a business relationship that has lasted for eight years correct. Yes there are some times and i i thought many times uh-huh okay. This isn't worth it. I'm not going to do this anymore. But now i have so many of these banners i sell them and arts and crafts vendor fishes so last year two thousand eighteen i sold six hundred and fifty banners holy smokes this year on track to sell nine hundred plus. There's lots of sports fans there a lot and that is a whole direction. I never her thought this. Your door and more would take ever so. I love my name your door and more because i don't know what the more is. It's evolving and that is a key business. Principle is evolve or die evolve or go out of business figure out how to move with the tides and move your direction. Coke wants to change a product. How long take right coca cola right. You're you're more nimble. Yes as a as a solo for noor. Yes yes. I can modify any volve as necessary so saying yes to this. This business idea was huge. It was huge so so winning streak sells them wholesale to whomever would like buy them <hes> so you can buy my m my banners on on amazon you can buy them at walmart dot com you can buy the mets sports fan dot com you can buy them at the team shops themselves the stadium mm shops but you'll never see the collection all in one place except for me right so it is really exciting when i set up my booth for an arts and crafts vendors show you know i try to hang as many as i can. It takes space six oh time but just to look around like wow this. Is it really cool. I want to switch a little bit to talk about something that you are involved in and that is the launch holly springs program you you said you've been in holly springs for a couple of decades. Yes yeah and what what is is this program. Why is it important to you. How do you see it growing. So one of the things that i i think is really important is joining and giving back launch. Holly springs is a subset of launch wake county and launch wake county is sponsored by wake tech center for entrepreneurship and the local rotaries has also sponsored by the town and business owners so it is a free program of ten weeks for entrepreneurs with an idea or <music> those with a new business or an existing business that need a pivot. The whole concept came from detroit so there there was a rotary member that was in detroit and saw that big businesses. Don't revitalize town. It's the small micro grow businesses these mom and pop shops these companies with under ten employees that are making a difference in revitalizing vitalising a town in a city that make sense yes <hes> so this gentleman from rotary brought this concept to wake tech and said they have this program up there and it's working well so this program is thirty hours of classroom training five five to eight hours of homework every single week six months of free mentorship and access to funding. Is it a certain time of the year <hes> so right now. Holly springs has <hes> actually tomorrow we graduate are second class us so there are anywhere from fifteen to twenty students per class. The individuals go through an application process us. They go through an interview process and that really determines if we feel they're qualified for this business accelerator course. We don't take it very lightly. We feel like this is the biggest special i'll give gift. We won't ever give to a business owner because it's completely free. Oh wow that's wonderful but you have to have the passion for what you're doing and you have to have the level of commitment. You know you're trying to grow your side hustle. If you were a nine to five or or whatever and you're growing your side hustle and you start taking this class ten weeks three hours a week five to eight hours of homework every week. That is a lot of intensive work and it's not you just drop off your homework and you walk out. We <unk> are forming a community and a collaborative. Look at your business from the outside so when you start a business you're in your own bubble. You see your own ideas. You're in this bubble but with launch you you have your fellow classmates looking at the outside of your business and giving you ideas and input and also those basic big business principles are brought in market research market segmentation budgeting finances <hes> strategic plan business plan all of these really basic fundamental business ideas you still i'll have to follow or your business is going to fail and it's going to fail and you're going to lose money and you're going to lose your passion so so we try to screen these individuals to make sure they have these qualities. It sounds like something that would have been wonderful for you to have then that's right yes. That's why i'm so excited about it and again. I'm a giver i just i give back. It's it's really important to me. Eh in in all honesty in two thousand eighteen we had our first class started in september and ended in november and in january i was so excited i actually reached out and i got a business coach because because i needed a refocus i needed to analyze my data from two thousand eighteen figure out what worked figure out what didn't work honed refined some things and get ready for my busy season <hes> so my busy season starts friday right which is spreading so we're recording at the end of may yes yeah okay yeah so really arts and crafts vendors shows that is where i sell the bulk of my banners this this program gave me this awesome mojo <hes> and juju to get rolling and to really put myself out there and that's when i reached you start to you yeah i do podcasts. You're just the yes so what are you seeing as the greatest need with these these these entrepreneurs who are coming through the class. Is there something that they have in common. They have in common. They have passion for whatever that is so in this class or we call it a cohort. We have <hes> someone that actually starting podcast. We we have someone that is starting a small business that does hand painted signs. We have someone that does lenna lettering. We have somewhat starting daycare. They're all really really different but it doesn't matter what they're doing. Those basic business principles are still there. They gotta learn how to do quickbooks. They gotta figure out there marketing schedule. They gotta figure out their startup it up cost. They've got to figure out their taxes. They gotta figure out sales and use tax only these things they still have to do. I think there's a lot of resistance to to this idea or at least that i see the resistance to treat our art as a business and setting aside the time to learn the things that are pivotal to our success like managing our finances and i will raise my hand. I hear i mean this is something that i really deprioritize highs in my own life but you gotta do it. I mean if you if you want to actually grow what you can share with the community he then you have to have some of these really important foundational business pieces in place if you were sitting across the table well from an arts entrepreneur for example other than saying yes which i think is a great piece of advice. Is there something that you would offer her to her. As a suggestion. Absolutely you have got to take some business class. You do and there are some. I met durham tech in the small business center. There are organizations that help women in business there are there is score which is a small business helping organization. I would join a group group of artists right here. In durham. You have an amazing arts. Council durham ours council. Oh they offer things artists. It's not just to show work on the walls. They offer things how to run a business. I would find signed a mastermind group and that is a collective of like minded business individuals that you can share ideas with. I'm in a business mastermind with someone that owns a ninja warrior jim. Do we have similarities you bet we do. We both own a business. Our business is different. They sure are car but to share those successes to share those failures to go on the journey of learning together so it's not just we get around and we gab we do that. We do a lot of that but every month. One of us is teaching something. We are learning along the way then we share our successes. This is our our struggles for that month. Then we set our goals for the next month then we check in mid mid month and we get together for lunch then we get together again. We're learning new topic. We're talking about how we did in our goals last week or last month so it's having that accountability that is really important. You've got to figure out multiple revenue streams and that brings me back to to my hundred days of abundance class where you need to figure out. I don't just sell the banners honors. I sell the sketches i also sell <hes> the custom work. My stuff is going to be in a gift shop so those multiple streams of revenue are generating even no. I'm not producing a sketch right now at this moment right. I've i've got internet web sale website sales. They're still working in the background her even while you're sleeping right yeah so figuring out those multiple streams of revenue far far amount any tasks that you despise doing if bookkeeping is your downfall barter with someone you do something for them. They do your books. I have done a lot of bartering over the years because it's a low cost way to do business. It's not fully sanctioned by the i._r._s. I know that but a temporary measure as a temporary measure it is a fabulous way right. I needed some new pictures done. My friend wanted a sketch of her grandmother's house. She took my pictures. I'm doing a sketch for her right right. I would pick one charity. That is you're passionate about. If you love to help rescue pit bulls which i love to do we have to pretty pity's at home donate to that one charity donate to their silent auction. You're gonna get as a business owner. You're going to get lots and lots and lots lots and lots of reach outs. Can you donate to this. Can you donate to this. Can you donate to this after a while. You can only donate so much so i kind of set a budget in mind of how many sketches i'm dole donating to <hes> how many banners i donate to but if you believe in something strongly put your passion energy into that charity and help them and then talk about it because it's a really great thing to do because you're giving back to a charity through your time talent and treasure whatever that may be. I would also ask for help if you're struggling with something. There's lots of facebook groups out there that you can talk to individuals because we're not alone as artists. We're not alone. We tend to isolate isolate myself. I work from home. I don't drive in traffic every day but you can easily ask for help. I think we can can think that our questions are only only our questions. When in reality everyone has the same questions we're all wrestling with the same challenges and and and not knowing how to take a step forward as we are getting close to wrapping up. I just wanna make sure. Is there anything else. You wanna talk about that. We haven't covered a recently opened up an s._e. Shop how congratulations relations yeah totally new to me. I'm going to take glass. It's you know once you get it up there. Yeah great okay now. It just wait now. We got to figure out how to market it right so that is that's <hes> on my slate of things to work on like i said i have a gift shop in holly springs. That's it's going to be opening. It's called our moments in time. It's an artisan gift shop. A dear friend of mine has renovated an old house. How beautiful valley springs so <hes> <hes>. She actually went through the launch. Holly springs program so she she's got the community behind her and her cohort members in two two thousand nine thousand nine hundred forty seven vendor days scheduled so some are one day show some are today shows so how can people find find out where you are and what you're doing. I have a website your door and more dot com. I've got a facebook page like i said i have an at sea page. Hey i'm working on. I will be in durham actually at center fest was scheduled here last year but then the hurricane sir throw that so. I just got notification that i was accepted for this year so i will be at center fest. I have a corner booth and really excited. I have not donna show in durham in a really long time so just spreading trying different shows <hes> staying with some shows that are tried and true but pushing myself in lots of new directions <hes> this year i also entered my sketches into some art shows which was totally out of my comfort zone because i am not a classically trained artists but i still submitted and the one show was at the coast and i sketch the morehead city train station the moorhead downtown association and bought the rights to my sketch wonderful yeah congratulations now my sketches a part of their history so they have events there her and they sell postcards and they sell prints. I also entered into the durham one hundred and fifty years show it was weird to see my workup their next to these abstract paintings than here. I am i lines are so straight and precise in black and white but it was a good thing to do because it pushed me out of my comfort zone and as an artist as a human being i need that because it helps me grow right i will include links in the show notes so people can connect with you and i wanna thank you so much for being here and for sharing all of your wisdom and also being very inspirational so thank you so much brenda thank you hey friends. I wanna tell you about show box studio where this episode was recorded. Chatterbox studio is durham's flexible rentable art art and activity space shadow boxes perfect for video and photo shoots recording podcasts like this one and holding movie screenings in classes spy club meetings or whatever else you can dream up find out more at chatterbox studio dot org and here's here's a secret if you tell them you heard it on artists soapbox. You'll get a twenty five dollar discount on your first rental. The isn't that awesome.

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The ASP.NET Core Ecosystem with Jeremy Miller

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The ASP.NET Core Ecosystem with Jeremy Miller

"Hey this is Carl Franklin and this is Richard Campbell and we're going to be hosting the Dot net developer days conference in Warsaw Poland October Twenty third through the twenty fifth breath developer days is one of the largest events in central and eastern Europe dedicated to application development on the dot net platform and we'll be recording a number of shows from the conference and hanging out with you so go to developer days dot pl and get your tickets now. Hey what are you doing Monday. November fourth want to write a blazer APP with me attend attend my blazer APP Workshop Online in just one day will write a complete service side Blazer. PWA UP WITH ANY FRAMEWORK CORE API controllers components signal our ask peanut core identity and User Management Using Visual Studio Twenty nineteen. We're going to be using twitch so sign up online right. Now it blazer DOT APP v next DOT COM. That's Blazer DOT APP v next DOT COM welcome back to dot net rocks is Carl Franklin and Richard Candle Dude. Mutt today is a new day and I'll tell you why I knew not a new day after you have new days. I don't have new days. Oh No but I'm not wearing pants. You're you're being a podcast. That's right. You're entitled to not wear pants. It's how you doing man I complain about you know did a big smoking session for a block party ten racks ribs wow and always a hit in the neighborhood filled the backyard with hickory smoke and they turned out really great. I have sunset parties every once in a while my house you you know high and the neighbor comes over with her son. Who's like eleven I think and he was a little bit hungry and I was about two to have some dinner and I'm I made it was a burger on shuffles. Do you know what Charles offals are. No no cheese waffles okay and these are taking the low carb gluten free world by storm 'cause they. They're just like perfect sandwich bread the bread but made out of cheese cheese and eggs yeah so half a cup of Mozzarella cheese shredded one egg is the basic basic recipe and you get these little dash meany waffle makers and you can make two of them one for each side you can flavor them with whatever where you want yeah so. I made this cheeseburger and I'm I had another one so I made a half of one and I brought it out for the kid and he goes wow this is awesome awesome and so the neighbor case it and she says this is the best damn cheeseburger. I've ever eaten seriously. She said that engineers all cheeses. That's pretty much all Jason Anyway. I'll put a lincoln shown us but that's what's new with me love. Let's roll the music for better no framework awesome in our man. What are you got. Do you remember when I built the the admen for our podcasts Admin site in Plain Java script yes vanilla Jaycees. I recall it was total odle vanilla yeah. Do you remember how long it took. Don't remember weeks weeks and weeks of work and I don't know I didn't add up the man hours yes but it was a lot so I attempted to. Redo it using blazer. Oh interesting. I've pretty much gone ninety percent of the way there in about sixteen hours well. I've never felt more productive in my life. I've been more productive than when I was was using web forms this Beta bits dude. The reason is because of binding binding is just so simple. I remember getting stuck in binding hell with web. Performs cheer no templates all of this stuff it. Just all of that craft is gone interesting. I just wanted to tell you that story. Sorry that's my that's my better no framework and also you know I went through all of the tools telluric sink fusion I didn't do Dev expresses is but I did also rats then at Oh yeah they're the new guys until you guys at Jeff. Fritz's I ended up using a lot of rats and stuff but I ended up using sink think fusion for their calendar in their file uploading right and the file uploading is just brilliant the file up loader control so so I guess we're getting a new admission client client soon. We are going to be all blazer. This is how I'm finding out about it on his show modeled after the exact same when we we have now so it will be very very familiar to you. That's cool I I you know I was just looking at the lineup for the past few weeks ago and we've talked a lot about blazer but there maybe reason yeah this is October third so dot net core three should have dropped by now last week yeah but we're recording this on the sixteenth so I'm still working with preview nine and a lot of the not a lot but some of the sin taxes changed like the binding syntax where you he put the at sign from the previous previews I think it changed in preview eight so as a result of that a lot of the guidance that you see examples is that you see on the Internet are just wrong re- well yeah and they said nine is probably the last preview version before final. Although there's tejas ability in the couple of weeks that we're talking about they might run in our see one or something. Nobody's GonNa make it ten. That would sort wrong right. Ah Nine points gotta be. It's very very close bits. You're you're. You're tinkering with right now. So I'm feeling really good about it and just reporting that I have never felt more productive writing web software ever Nice Nice. That's awesome great so who's talking to today. Man grabbed a common tougher show twelve sixty eight which we did with one Jerry Miller back in March of two thousand sixteen talking about Martin on post grass to show I really enjoyed lots of conversation in there and admittedly this is more push it for years old now or three and a half anywhere were Emmett childress. WHO's been radio listener for a long time and I'm sure has a couple of mugs dugs. said Martin will hopefully see widespread adoption. Jeremy had it right when he emphasized the tools within post grass that Martin Lee Ridges. There's no need to reinvent the wheel or take dependencies. He's not necessarily the scale ability of Martin will be interesting to test. I guess we can check with Jeremy to see how well adoption went because you know Martin still out there still doing things so it's it's interesting to see folks that that definitely jumped onto it so I mean I have to let us know I I feel about it a few years later and a copy of Musica buys on its way to you and if you'd like copies Dako- by Radha comment on the website dot rocks dot com or on facebook we publish every show there and if you comment there and I read it on the show. We'll send you a copy musical by and definitely follow us on twitter. I met Carl Franklin. He's at rich Campbell. Send us a tweet. Just it's like the Martin's do is true full. They don't they martins yeah. I guess it's Kinda Martin. We're talking about it. There's also the Martin that is like a polecat cat kind of weasel also a uncle Bob. He's a Martin Guitars there Martins the Martins anyway all right. Let's bring back Jeremy. Miller Jeremy is a senior software architect at Kala Vista Software in Austin based in Texas Jeremy Began Software Career Writing Shadow. It applications to automate tedious engineering documentation then wandered into software development because it looked like more fun. Jeremy has been heavily involved in open source dot net development as the author of Structure Map Storyteller and as the lead developer of Martin Not Marta I N Marta E. N. Jeremy Occasionally manages to write about various software topics picks at Jeremy D Miller dot com welcome back sir. Thanks guys. Thanks for having me back. Yeah absolutely any response to the the mail that Richard Read Yeah so it is Martin. The liezl animal sounds cute. Little buggers cats have ever seen one in person. Don't they're vicious little bastards and they smell. They're nasty well. Let's let's let's read anything into that so Martin Martin. It's done pretty well. I haven't checked figures in a little while but last I knew I think we're sitting at around six hundred thousand downloads on nugget. The adoption is still trending up a little bit have a very passionate user base. I'm not actually that intimately involved aww with today development with it now but we have a full community. We have a team of official team maintainers and we're still churning out up releases and moving on. I look at get hub and I see you know just sort of instinctual. How is this project running and see a thousand stars one hundred contributors and and check ins that are a day ago that to me sounds like a functioning successful project. Yeah I think so and and honestly I'm and I think I'm most proud of the hundred contributor number yeah this is great metric man and then my next stage to dig deeper into the project is then. I go click gone that has contributed to see who's where how who's at all single commit sin. It's not right. Obviously you're hugely dominant but you know you've had years years of effort into this but I see a bunch of you know dozen plus twenty thirty forty fifty contributors. Those are folks that are really adding to your project so yeah yeah this if anybody asked me. I'd say this. A thriving project sure looks that way. We'll good yeah. I'm taking it right back to this. Is this is done Richie. Campbell says were thriving that and five bucks. We'll get your latter day depends where you're at. I don't want to spend the whole time on Martin Martin but we really haven't even talked about what it is yet. Okay so for folks in a world of that are interested in no no sequel or alternatives to straight up old fashioned relational databases. The postcards database has a lot of cool features that are a little little bit unique for a relational database. one of them is just out of this. World Jason Sport little beyond every everybody else's catching out but post Grad Scott outweigh ahead with some unique features. The Martin Project utilizes all that Fancy Jason Tack Inside Post Grass. We created a library abry that allows you to treat US graphs as document database so get all the goodness of no sequel but you're still you still have asked it rolls and fully fully transactional no sequel database and then add onto the side of that that's I'd say been accidentally successful. it also also has an event sourcing capability projections and that's been successful to the point where it's been hard to keep up with feature requests. The thing that I found weird about post grass is the sequel sin taxes a little bit different putting quotes around field names and things like that and it didn't take me long to to to adjust but it's just a little bit different so do you shield your users from that kind of stuff like how do you use Martin so you shouldn't have to to do that all the time anyway but with Martin with Martin we have lakes support granted. It's it's almost impossible hole for your late provider to do. Everything has acedemic so remember Remember folks to be very grateful to the people who write your late for riders Super Tedious. Yes mostly through link. Individual documents commands like store this load that and for the things that the lake provider can do you can drop down to raw sequel the Jason Operators are a little wonky but you shouldn't have to mess with that very often and if you absolutely have to do it this way. If you get into something really weird you can drop down. You can ride jobless functions to do some filtering and transformation. I should have that executed inside of discuss. What about the Patriots version that runs in Azure the managed version of post Kresa said Martin work with it it it does now so there's little bit shoot a key. Lv that is the the javascript engine for post grass. wasn't supported by Asher first so you could run Martin with kind of downgraded a little bit but now every free possible feature. Martin is available with Azure. We have we have some folks using hosting Martin inside a post crafts Najer probably few hugh more with aws. We have folks state successful with after I just liked the idea of not owning the database essentially just owning your utilization of it ah rather than actually having a vm hosting database in that it it. It's an interesting way to work. Oh you meet both at but for local local development time what they really Andy Is. It's very fast spin plus crap in docker container local isolated local development and that's been very successful for us yeah. It's a good point that those docker templates now seemed to be remarkable driving force between quick setups and testing figuration experimenting with new technology. We get away from configuration. Hell yeah bash scripts to completely destroyed dried in rebuild the database which us all the time when I'm testing because you know the state gets messed up. You don't just go and delete records. Just WanNa start over boom done. They're not a big deal out of big deal with Martin one of your gateways into dot net corp because I know Oh you've you taking core real series. I Yeah I was at several other projects. I think it was the first project I worked on. Where are we explicitly supported net standard and Martin started up in the days before net standard to Plano ended a project objects on years. Things are the heavily in flight yes we we got to see some of the growing pains of dot net core yeah. I I. It's fair to say Gateway Yeah I also. You know it's funny. I've been looking through old comments and things about core looking at some other commentaries that we could talk about and realizing it's just not fair to bring up criticism of dot net core from two years ago because it's come so far it has in a I mean it's it's maybe not the biggest detail. I'm a little excited long-term when court three. Oh hits pretty soon when they have have the unified host builder model I I think that's GonNa make a huge in neighbor for a lot of open source extensions now you you have really one true mechanism for extending an audience sports for if a sexual like Martin or entity framework or anything like that having a a official economical way across the system of love. This is how you can plug your custom infrastructure into Dunakor up. I think that's GONNA be huge. Yeah I feel to me like we. I remember talking into mads Torgensen a while back about what was happening with C. Sharp going cross platform open source and the new architecture and said it felt to me like that let's set you up for a Cambrian explosion like you now sort of freed this language for folks to experiment and expand on it and it clearly that has happened and I feel like this latest set. Ed Moves is doing the same thing with open source that it's just going to be so easy to contribute into the dot net ecosystem now with with open source that I can't even imagine imagine what's going to happen next. Oh I I definitely agree with that. I think I think just from the smaller projects. I have in addition of Martin. It's been a lot easier to build onto. The existing framework rhyme didn't really feel the need to go off to the side and try to build a whole new foundation foundation right yeah. That's interesting that they've gotten here. It seems very intentional that they've gotten to a place where we all have pretty. I'm good confidence that this is a good thing to build against and it's not going to slip away from either. It took me a while to get comfy with it. I think two Oh is where I really got the feeling that wow okay this is really out of the realm of you know almost Beta and that's that's where I saw a lot of customers coming to me with their you know lift and shift projects that they were ready to a lot of a lot of people I know a lot of companies made the move to Donna core with two and that's consistent with what what what Calvin my company has seen what's of our clients silence yeah they happen when we've been able to help some of our customers move from NBC Classic Dynamic Core Winning do some. I'm good stuff. code improves the test ability. It's moved in a good direction. Absolutely so what do you do with. Sp Dot net in in core mostly just to for us right now mostly web services. I actually got to build a product on it but for web services it's been it's been really good for that. big able to use some judicious middleware to deal with a lot of tedious instrumentation nations security has been really nice from a test ability perspective in the you know the old days like three years ago you could conceivably use an Gaetana to run a dot net system. Luckily for testing within a within a test environment but it wasn't you wasn't a great experience so today so we use a tool called Alba the sits on top of test server but the ability to to spin up your entire application with or without kestrel inside of a test harness run tests directly against it while also using Yep that's been huge for the amount of tests code retributive to put but you know on your box but in GSA integration efforts all without asking and muck around with things like selenium and not having to muck around with selenium is awesome this in my book what what what drives people crazy about selenium what drives you crazy about. Selenium Jeremy Well. It's slow slow is the biggest problem it can be very unreliable when you have a web applications with a Lotta Bay Synchronicity Hager which these days that's most software every web application. You do yeah so there. There's a lot of energy you have to do to make selenium based tests the reliable there's a little bit of Brittleness. Ui itself it's changing in. I mean what I would say is. It's it's a sonic great. Bank for your buck kind of activity. Maybe you need to do a little bit of it but if you can shift more of your testing effort to test API layer or you're if you're in a Java script heavy world. There's so much better facilities now for testing your your job. Is Your reactor view components in isolation flation through. There's far more efficient ways of offering automated tests against your system without after do everything outside in slummy slummy. No that's very fair and its testing through the browser is a brittle way. It just means every time there's a major change. Everything's things broken. You gotTA start over. It's enough to make you hate testing. Wait that happened so there's a lot a new stuff obviously in dot net core naess peanut core take us through a little bit of history of what's changed in the ecosystem awesome from from classic to now shirt so. I think I'll give you three things that I think are significant. You know the the first one for me. The new the configuration model that came with dot net core the ability to use different degration sources have them stack on each other of saying well pull in the environment variables but I may override that programmatic inside the application or I want to pull from adjacent file in the goal a little bit farther. I can have multiple Jason Files her environment virement and from a single switch in the application. I can switch application from running against the testing environments. My local environment disappointed Devon Behr. Maybe not something you want to do every day but having that ability he's pretty frequently. Lee Valuable and you can't set yourself up from a single command light switch on your core project now connect one way or another rather than the old way where we had a copy of files in and change just things around going a little bit farther so the old configuration system it was Paul based. You'd find a Lotta Code where people are reaching grabbing go configuration manager at settings and grabbing one value and then converted in parts of new whatever so your code into being just rigidly tightly coupled to your configuration if you're not careful some of US played around over the years with the idea India Australia strong types figuration where I just pull it a constructor variable for something and I get strong type. C Sharp object everything all our stout. I don't know where it comes from but that was kind of a one off thing that people had friends show US tools now. That's part of the real out of the box. Save Corey so your application. It's handed the configuration that needs in a way that's already parched out and build build exactly the way it needs. Your code then becomes much less couple. Configurations all kinds of good stuff the second one. I would say and I hated this at first I railed against this some of the details of how it's done in twitter but I've made my peace peace with with astronaut corps there is now a common common set of interfaces in abstractions for how I ac- registrations are captured a nasty the net core APP so the I service collection model that you've probably probably seen in your startup so I'm one of the authors of one of the older the older open source I o c tools newer when called Lamar Eh. It caused a lot of overhead for us now. We have to conform to the weighted. Ast Net court team decided IFC containers have to be hey and there was some consternation over that when you get past that what that is enabling is having packages like package for the F. Core where you can just add Abadi context my application and you have a reusable recipe for integrating entity framework inside of your application Asia getting all IFC lifecycles right. What's a singleton watching scouts on and so forth that that's opening a lot of doors to make it easier different people to add extensions into the core ecosystem and then the last the third one? I'll give it maybe it's old hat but the estimate core middleware strategy so couple years ago five six seven years ago I don't. I don't really remember we had we had a project own. Owi I n substandard to kind of create a rack likes like API for dot net. It's still hanging around but a way of being able to kind of wrap that Russian doll model of handlers in an HP call doing things like being able to just quickly adds logging onto the outside without touching off your controllers just common behavior behavior for logging security in some cases even adding all new patients like the what you use swagger today that just thinking about what our client wants. Some of our clients do looking at their older. NBC Five application how much repetitive code code they're writing for instrumentation today. Versus just stick that in a speed at court middleware when you go to the core in the carbon at one place much less code being duplicated running around right dependency injection stories been great for a long time. I am too and I just love that and I don't have to go out to get to to get that kind of support well. I I had a different perspective obviously but as the guy's guide building the nuggets that you would go and support it does give us the standard mechanisms to be able to toss our stuff into the mix where it used to be. NBC was one way Web. API was another inservice service. Plus has something different mass transit every framework a totally different way and required a different set of doctors yeah yeah fair enough yeah interesting stuff on the on the approach rollers. Hey guys I'm going to interrupt for one moment for this very important message. Are you struggling to replicate the bugs and performance issue customers are reporting Plug Raygun into your web and mobile applications right now in diagnose problems in minutes rather than hours say goodbye to having having to dig through log files and relying on frustrated users to report issues. Make your software development life so much easier using Reagan's error crash in performance monitoring tools. Every software team can create flawless software experiences for their customers with Reagan. Try It free today at Raygun. Dot Dot com ever backed Richard Camel Earth my friend Carl Franklin. You're listening to dot net rocks and we've got Jerry Miller on right now and you know I just suddenly hit. Let me you're one of the guys man back from the very beginning of it. In Two thousand seven like you've got a long memory break yeah well. I did call you in hibernate mafia after all then it was it was David Larrabee who came up with the name. I think he I think he actually said if the heightened hibernate mafia sticks. I'M GONNA have to kill you so but I just occurs to me like are you guys. Were Right Yup. Look where we are. Look what you're describing. I'm like this is exactly what you were talking about a little over ten years ago well so maybe Mickey argument that I'll assault folks for way back when when we wanted to make a movement and we wanted to speed this up quite a bit maybe the real lesson of last year's just simply to be more patient that things were going to get to a better place just going to take a what we I. I don't know that it was a certain as that you know the Path is a winding when there's no two ways about it and we could certainly argue methods messages but the core idea that open source needs to be part of the development stack. He's he's very salient idea. I think the fact that there were advocates outside of Microsoft as well as inside of Microsoft. We're important important into to providing acceptability. I wonder if you guys hadn't been so angry and forward about the changes you wanted to bring forward had it would would it have not made made as much of an impact on Scott on the Scots Johnson one in particular. I don't know definitely spent a lot of time wrestling with that I think I think if a handful of angry very visible individuals had maybe been a little bit calmer. Maybe all dot net would have gone on for a little while longer. Maybe if distant able to last a little bit longer and there there are still a handful of chapters are still net clubs here and there a Sydney GonNa get it wrong somewhere in the north of England. There's still a handful of really active all net groups. We're really get together to talk about development techniques open source tools test ability the one thing I will claim a little bit of credit credit I think and hope for all the net is a I think you see a lot more emphasis on test ability in Microsoft written frameworks and Application Ashley. All mental gets now and I don't. I don't think that was evident at all ten years ago. I agree yeah now and he's definitely so you know. All of these. Things have evolved. It's it's interesting that I am working the book on the history of Dot Net and that fall of two thousand seven without a doubt was a pivotal moment both internally and externally nunnelee was the dot net movement sort of coined then but that's also when Scott handsome handsome rob connery and fell hack all join Scott Guthrie Ninja Army that's when MVP NBC was Demo for the first time at the first L. Dot net event. I I was there. You were there. You helped organize that if I recall correctly a little bit yes here. I just amused South L. thinking in twenty in the fall of two thousand nineteen. We're talking through these configuration approaches using Jason like these open standards and so forth and it's you know I just just ahead to do it. I dug up your include. This is show note I dug up your article from MSG N. in in March of two thousand eight where you're describing what that was sort of about and these sort of things we value and the things you're describing Jeremy like they're almost to the letter in the magazines defunct now and hear it here we are. I'll say this for a moment what ashamed that was because it was such a great experience. I I got a call him in the the end because of the the they wanted to an all dot net flavored column and image the end and I just happened to be the guy that was like enough yet and then there was such a great experience for me and I was really sad to see him as a going away. Do you still have a vision for ways that core can improve and things that you'd like to see that maybe Mr Hunter. Mr Guthrie aren't thinking about at this point. It's probably more tactical I still I love this cross platform. I'd like to see that be more and more of of the thing abso actually do most of my dot net development on Max in half for the last couple of years I think it's still right now. I think it's growing the ecosystem broadly there's still a lot of opportunity for add-on value add on kind of open source tools. I still think there's some value. I think that it's time for awesome alternatives to NBC core the start popping up there's already Carter that gives you a Sinatra like like API alternative but they're still it just room to grow. I don't know that there's anything I'm I'm really asked to be asking the Scots and in Microsoft itself has has has the F. core become acceptable to you lately. You sit on a couple of projects. I think it's fine. I'm at this point in time. it's also a deal where you just to quote the song you don't steady in the win of course been fine when we reached with customers yeah. There's there's also a lot of things I like about. If court in I can point to things that came from an hibernate alive. Thanks the code I in entity framework point rights if fluid in hibernates that was a big community led project. That's been fine if if I had my choice in matters which I usually don't but if I had my choice I would push towards no a no sequel solution good yeah but AH clients won't accept it so of course then fine yeah. I was like that argue the argument of listen you've spent time making objects. Why do you make the customer. Wait why you decompose them into rows and columns just store the object. It is the source of truth. You could decompose acing Crinsley. If you WANNA use it for an analytics but that's a separate problem. Don't involve the customer. It would also be different if it if the sequel databases weren't so damn performance you know I mean that was the only that's really the only reason I would consider using a sequel database performance but then you know things are so decomposed and you've got nineteen joins the there goes your performance benefit mm-hmm. I mean he's still so this is one of the things that we try to still do try to sell with. Martin and we extend a lot of heaven database. The transactional work in in dealing with objects documents not worry about out stored but still have the ability to the exact same database to you have some reporting projections of the NATO and not have to have two databases to pull it off. Cause relational databases still still awfully awfully good for reporting. That's actually what it was meant for. Ted Cod was thinking you know it's it's the fact that we do. We got it it then. The marketing guys pushed the transactional aspects of it and it was never really strength at this point. It doesn't matter what it strengthened his because it's the one thing thing that everybody knows and everybody had referred. Even though I prefer no sequel approach it's hard to argue with the fact that so much tooling is is built around a sequel database. Everybody sequel and it's accepted doesn't make it easy. Incident accepted practice even if it's not great yes and the being older in maybe not being so fervent about the best approach at all times just recognizing. I think that technologies that are very google or biddable that that's a pretty important quality all by itself. You're not you're not wrong This is how this we teach ourselves things especially you get stock. You're absolutely the assets to it yeah. I I'd love to dig into more open source library supporting core that that folks just need to know more about like Carter's inch very interesting to me. Even if it's a bit young yet it does speaks to this idea that there's there. Is this echo new ecosystem member Jim. We need to pay attention to it. Oh absolutely and it's not core itself. I think it's built in in such a way that you can build frameworks alternatives. HP endpoint frameworks on top based on core the sharp guys. Do I have an open source project. That's Kinda. Mothballed all Jasper that was part of what it was going to do is alternatives way of creating H. VN points race. GonNa core but over time I dropped a lot of the custom Austin Code that was in it digest pick up and use the building blocks are already in the dynamic core the hosted service idea the service registrations the configuration the way it's done the just a lot of lego pieces that are there today didn't exist in VC classic five five years ago yeah. It's just a way of thinking that they weren't quite very. I mean I love that. You're calling it a S. P Dot net classic as opposed to ASP CLASSIC ISAAC N so I'm one of those holdouts I love. St Classic I cut my teeth is doing real useful things professionally with AST classic in I'm one of those people that never got web forms so never really liked the idea that ASC still used for for the nomenclature for everything even two or three generations later yeah we still we'll have unshaken that name off and I think that's what people know right when I know exactly what you're talking about. When you say as the kids today are just never gonna the no the joy of editing? NASD script directly on production server okay. You got a funny version of Joy. Ah Yes we used to fly much closer to the sun than you do these days with your abstracted tools are you done with. NBC To is is that the pattern of enough for web for Web Development so I don't if I was building on your web application today I would probably push for a Java scrip- heavy front end and the the back end the CPU a piece of it would really be that BFF approach the back end for front end were the back end is just slinging jas on around out out based on the idea. I think that that creates the most testable application. If you're comfortable with with Java script front end and not everybody will be but if you're just building. BFF TYPE APPLICATIONS NBC core. You're not really messing with razor. The models are still really just. CTO's house and I think that's a perfectly good good approach. I think that's a very valid way to use the core but if you're doing that you could probably get away with something. Lighter like Carter or some other alternatives may come in later. It's nice to see some choices here so I can imagine what your reaction is going to be this question but what do you think of Blazer I. I mean to sit a very shallow view. Do I kick the tires on it as a for potential projects off aside. I think it's going to be far are more successful technically than web forms was because it fits the technology far better. I think people that really like that that kind of VP six or are wind forms approach of building applications. I think Blazer will be a much better solution for them in. I'm I'm not one of those people that necessarily hates chevette script but I don't ever want to do a very large shoves could project just just the ability to use at more of a static type language better with Web Assembly in the browser I think I think we're all going to be happy. That's their my a project that I mentioned and in the bedroom framework in the intro is a server side blazer project so this injects a a signal our hub in between and and so you really don't ever see the the front and back end communication happening except when the connection gets broken and your website stops working but but that's because of a bug on your side not because of anything that they've done so but I imagine those error messages will get better in handling them. We'll get better a- as we go on but I've I've found the whole process just incredibly liberating because they don't have to deal with the plumbing Nice Sir. Is there already a hot reloading module of some sort for blazer development. Yeah no I haven't I haven't seen that is the case right now but perhaps it will be I if I if I have to change some code. You know even if it's I mean it's on the server so I can't stop stop there. Is that doesn't really work right now. I maybe I just don't have it set correctly but it seems to work for other applications but no but I I am very certain I've read that this is this is something that's on the way. I imagine it would be that right now. I think it's a make or break thing for any kind of technology yeah because what she had. It's hard hard to let go. You're right about that. I love just sitting at five and seeing all happening. Oh absolutely as the the only thing I ever missed from BBC was at continue well. We have it just not an all projects on in this kind anyway yet. Those were Simpler Times building. MDI APPS in in just for windows client side by and we could get a lot done in a very a little time. I'm still watching what the client side of Blazers GonNa look like like. It sounds like it's further away. I mean by the time publishing server side should have shipped but right the the web assembly thing is just fascinating to me is fascinating wish you would have happened in a fifteen years ago. No kidding we I did have fifteen years ago man. It was called active acts. Oh please bed your com component India Internet explorer everything will be fine. I imbedded activex controls embedded invisible activex controls into e four webpages years years and years ago and I made a lot of trips down to the floor install things for the people that were using MC trips to the confessional. Yeah it was fun. It was really fun when it worked but oh wow yeah no kidding when the object tag was a good idea. There's as a book title for You. I was excited about it when when it came out just because I wanted to do something easy and and that seemed easy but then of course you know all the problems ensued. It's been a wild ride ever since that. Damn ipad yet occur. It occurs to me that when we were using activex controls where literally generating plug INS almost on demand that we expect people to simply install then we got to the silver light mall was like okay just one plug in and now we're at that sorry no plug ins and that's fine browsers are more sophisticated. I'm still concerned about the vulnerabilities on their abilities of loading. DLL's through web assembly like if there's one exploit ever that thing's going to pop so Jeremy. What's next for you. What's in your inbox so for me. I think pretty soon I needed to switch back to Martin and we're doing. We're doing a huge. Redo of the event. Sourcing Model had two or three years of people beating on in production and we've learned some thanks deep him preuss bruce good. It's good data though when you actually have people out in the field doing hard things and saying this is what I struggle with late. It's not it's necessary. It's not viable viable to do complicated open source project unless unless you have users that will give you good feedback. It just doesn't happen unless somebody's Dr Jeremy. Thank you very much for spending time with us in it's very cool to catch up and your thoughts about the Dominic Cork Assistant. Thanks guys it was fun back on that must see you next time dot net rocks dot net rocks is brought brought to you by Franklin's net and produced by plop studios a full service audio video and post production facility located physically in new London Connecticut and of course the cloud online at P. W. O. P. Dot Com visit our website at dot any T. R. O. C. K. S. dot com for RSS Speeds downloads mobile APPs comments and access to the full archives going back to show number one reported in September two thousand two and make sure sure you check out our sponsors. They keep US business now. Go write some code. CNN Time Eh then

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MongoDB in the Cloud with James Kovacs and Rachelle Palmer

"This portion of dot net rocks is brought to you by couchbase a modern multi cloud edge sequel friendly jason document database for building applications with jill dougherty performance and scale if you're new to couchbase and would like to learn more the couchbase developer portal is the best place to start. It's loaded with tutorials videos documentation as well as best practice tips. Quick start guides and community resources including couchbase developer community forum to get started developing on couchbase. Visit couchbase dot com slash dot net. Rocks that's couchbase. Dot com slash. Dot any t. r. o. c. k. s. Welcome back to dot net rocks. This is carl franklin. And this is richard cable and boy. It's been a while since we recorded a show. It's been a few weeks you gonna give you time off. We do a bunch of shows all at once and you get a couple of weeks off. They do a bunch more. I like it. it's march first right now. I mean right now as you're listening to this but as we recording it's march first than night saw. The crocus is coming up poking on today. Saying he here i am here i am. Don't worry life is coming back. life is coming back. Yeah it is pretty pretty rough winter. No two ways about it is pretty cool. This is going to be a great show but before we get the guests and stuff and before better no framework. I have a little announcement to make. I have put out. What i think is going to be a very popular. Get repo. it's called blazer sliders and there's a new package for it as well. It's just what you think but sliders is sort of you think like a slider that goes back and forth. But i'm talking about. I think about a hamburger. But that's especially blazer sliders right. I mean something. I want to order at chili's or burger king sunday but anyway yeah so so. It's multiple panels horizontal and vertical split panels. Right so you have a sprayer in the middle and you can grab the splitter and move it left and right to the panels in the whole thing re sizes when you re size the browser you can make it. Take up the whole screen. It's blazer it's good you can estim- right now. You can only nest a horizontal inside a vertical. But i'm working on multiple nesting. I basically got it working. And now i put it out there. Good yeah now. i'm refactoring it and making it actually more efficient and less verbose and all. Now you get the me notes from people of course our whole product around your library and it's your fault there's and it's only been a couple of days and thirty download. Some not all the eric about it. Give them a couple more weeks to really get the hate on for you right. So here's my advice. If you're using one point zero point one that's gonna change. So but but the good news is that properties are being taken away not add so the you won't need to do so much manual set up it'll automatically discover who the children are and who the parents are in. It'll automatically figure out how to size itself right now. I do i have. I would require a little bit of setup in the parameters but that's going away so anyway enjoy blazers flyers works on s- a server and blazer wasim and Yeah but that's not my better framework. Oh okay will you better play the music then be yeah you better go now. You know you do it. No you fine. You got all right. Well this is actually pretty cool in the guys in one of the guys in Avonex slack room. Scott rowdy found this so microsoft uses this thing called code q. L. it's a semantic code analysis engine. That's part of get hub right okay. They open sourced it so in the end the ideas that you can use code q wealth to make queries to hunt for Soul solar gate activity so essentially. What you can do is you can have this thing. Where your code base and find the militias bits. Oh interesting yeah yeah. It's pretty cool. So i don't understand a whole lot of it but it is mind blowing that you know you can just imagine just checking your code in and then you know get hub says. Hey this is Or notifies you know malicious code so it's It's really cool. Yeah very interesting. And he's becoming a normal part of the pipeline. These days it seems for at softwares also looking for like accidental uses of somebody else's coat right like you don't know right pace things like don't necessarily know where sources come prime so you can trace analysis across the board just like where is this code from That whole dependency chain. Yeah yeah for sure. It's good. But i thought james would like that and Now over to you richard. What's who's talking to us today. Well considering alassio james twenty thirteen. It's very unfair to read like comments from eight nine years ago. We should anyway. Not that i wouldn't do that. But actually i found a really relevant comment for this show from adult compatriot of james's from jerry miller's from show sixteen fifty five. Just show we. Jeremy met back in october. Twenty nineteen talking about the dot net core ecosystem so that whole the what the open source community looked like there and so we talked about a lot of different things in that space. One of which was talking about non relational databases and crossed crafts comment about a year and a half old now where he says. Hey it's always interesting to hear from rockstars like miller but as a show was concentrated towards no sequel noise right. Some of the statements were converts. Wrote not will put me off a bit. Like when richard said why would it make the customer to decompose objects. Just store the object right. Of course. I think a little. Alex fair alex's i followed that with the customer store the object and then break it out into a relational database. A synchronous -ly right. After the customers already moved on the goes on to say though i understand that adding all the caveats the statements would make the show boring as a dvd worshiper inactive. No sequel developer for years. Here's my outcry. There is a serious cost associated with developing and supporting no sequel database for relational databases to Consider at least document type databases which most people mean when they say no sequel the aggregates designed for the most often operation reading data so persisting aggravates is not meant to be quick sensitive volt dated duplication maintaining reference out of the boundaries and so forth and about performance. Hey sequel is performed to the question is what are you trying to do. There are places where no sequel shines and they're also places where databases do just fine. I do like no sequel in much higher level of usage in the enterprise but modern hazy understanding of those equal obstructs adoption of the technology. You the pragmatic way as just another tool in your tool belt team. No sequel as the default option would remove the perception of it being an untouchable shrine. And get more people using it. Yeah he does reference a couple of blog posts including seven reasons not to use no sequel and the book no sequel to still by martin fowler. Which is a little stale. but it's martin fowler. You should read it. Yeah anyway. I thought it was interesting. You know our apps. We weren't firm enough on this whole in. I think the two things work together really. Well there are places where people may sense appraises where people may sense and most places where both will help you zoom time. Yup so alex. Thank you so much for your comment. A copy musical buys on its way to eun. If you'd like a copy of these go by write a comment on the website at dot net rocks dot com or on facebook were published every show and if you sit there and read on the show. I'll send you a copy music. Oh by and definitely follow us on twitter. I met carl franklin. He's at rich campbell. Send us a tweet and you know. Hurry up because times. Wasting not yeah. It's springtime get out there and play in the crocuses all right. So i'd like to introduce reintroduced james kovacs and introduced for the first time rachelle palmer so a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. James kovacs was a frequent guest on dot net rocks. He spoke at conferences wrote magazine articles and had an active twitter account. Then a career change landed him at mongo. Db where he has spent the last five years in self inflicted obscurity. I liked that. Self inflicted obscurity during that time he has worked on the technical support team assisting customers with a core database product and more recently on the driver's team building the language idiomatic drivers that allow developers to connect mongo db his current focus is implementing new features in the mongo db dot net c. Sharp driver which is used by millions of developers worldwide and for the first time on dot net rocks rochelle palmar is currently a senior product manager focused on developer experience at mongo db which includes drivers and integrations with all of manga. Db's officially supported programming languages. Which are c. Sharp dot net python corsi sharp slash dot net python ruby. Php no go swift and java. She's been with mommy. Db's since two thousand thirteen. i mean. Welcome you individually. Welcome james thank you. Welcome back good to be back and welcome thanks mongo. Db james I'll never forget that. I Show that you did with us. Low those many years ago In the absolute perfect description of ifc. And why you it and It just You know it was a great explanation. I consider it the best explanation of those things since before. Or since i appreciate that a lot of my goal of technology is to understand things at a fundamental level and then share it with others. And i'm hoping to bring some of that. Knowledge of non relational databases and mongo. Db two emeals the dot net community. And i think i heard about maga d be in the context of raven db which is i thing and i guess he he wanted to do something similar to mongo but i never really really got into it into raven but i did like the way he was talking about. How index is created on the fly. And all of that stuff and i imagine. It's very much the same in mongo. I end is a smart guy. And he was trying to build a native and non relational engine on windows for the dot net framework and like a lot of the ideas. He took from mongo. Db we are competitive product. Why will fully admit up but with mongo. Db you've got a much larger organization behind cut a lot more features and it's amazing all the things that de mortgage is used. That's been around for well over a decade shall do you remember when we were founded two thousand seven might have been two thousand nine somewhere somewhere around there so we've been around for a while and we've gone through. There's been a lot of different technologies steps along the way an improvement. So that's remember very angie ireland with that canadian. Who's been quiet. so far we were on the Scott net rocks was at scott net rocks. It was the england. Ireland and scotland tour that we did yes and so we were in dublin. And we're heading out to go meet a friend you know for some traditional music and right next door to the hotel was manga devi. But it was just really. It was really like a a soviet kind of experience. There was just the word mongo. Db in a very small font on the door. You remember this. Richard was like. Isn't that kind of unassuming right for this huge as a company to just have this little door with his little logo. We're not yeah. Yeah yeah no. What i'm saying is it was probably a big office but just under understand it at the front door little door. A little sign on a perfectly normal size ashley right. So what's new in mongo. Db are we talking about atlas. Yeah we can talk atlas. We can talk driver right. We can talk core. Server product shown anything dot the dot net itchy has not been the usual constituency for mongo. Right is normally think of mongo in the context of the lamps. No right the lyrics world austin's often we the the actual core server can run on a variety of operating systems including windows including including a variety of other ones mac. Os things like that. A lot of times. People will build applications in whatever their development languages. And that's something that we've seen a real uptake in is that people were developing on windows dot net applications but we're seeing more and more desire to move dot net applications over I'm for the simple reason. Cheaper to run run faster Full stop mythic end of conversation. Yeah yeah a lot of companies are interested in doing this So that's one and the other thing is sometimes people will question. How much is mugabe committed to the microsoft ecosystem. We have a law of customers. Running the microsoft stack that are connecting among d. b. r. c. Sharp driver team is one of our larger grabber teams. We've got five fulltime members on the team right now that are actively developing features The dot net driver itself has been around for over eight years and we are supporting more and more currently going through a rewrite of our link provider to provide better links support. And that's gonna be coming in a future version so we're very much invested in the dot net ecosystem and in microsoft developers. He had the link side of Curing mongo with link is very interesting is better or worse like is very relational oriented so sort of get this. You know there used to be an odbc driver for excel to. It didn't make it a good idea. My the hyun kidneys. Cram that the link query style into through a among database. There's kind of performance again gonna get from it Quite good actually because from a technical standpoint C. sharp with link is just an abstract syntax tree. It's ast and we take that tree. And then we translate it into the equivalent. Mql were mongo db query language. And so it is actually quite efficient and we can get very good performance Is one of my favorite ways of actually accessing mongo db in performing complex queries often doing aggregations group by operations really crunching. Data is a lot easier to link quiry than often hand Handcrafting the queries yourself. 'cause you still have relations. It's just they're just not you know so diabolically specked out. I mean you just figure them out. On the fly build indexes he the the friendly way to say that his structure he added that in air quote. I like diabolic. Better more accurate. Well one of the. That's one thing that allows good to perform really well compared to a relational database. Is that if you think about your typical sequel database. A lot of your relations are parent child relations. Right where one object fully owns another one. But because sequel a sequel and everything structured tables in you got foreign keys you have to break everything apart. So you're spending a lot of Computation resources breaking things apart and then putting them back together whereas with mongo. Db you've got an order which has a shipping address and a bunch of order line items and a discount. You just jam that all into one document and that can be queried as a whole mugabe also has a very advanced query language so that you can say give me all customers who received a twenty five percent discount right. Even though that percent discount is buried inside order document. But if you think about it you don't want that order documenta ever change because that was the order. That is the truth. This was the point i made on. Jerry miller show all that time ago right is like you know the actual reference to the truth is all the things at that moment. Store those things then. Decompose them later for analysis. And i've done sequel applications. That are like that. They need to know the state of what was the address of that particular time. And you have to put in a whole bunch of machinery and always ensure that new addresses are always inserted in your version in them and all of that becomes very complicated and with mongo db. You just store the current address. Here's a really good example. The dot net rocks database is it is a sequel database and we have a guest table and we have a shows table and you know the guests have a photo and description and whatever and a bio right in anytime that That bio changes it changes everywhere that its reference so you go back to show in back from two thousand to. It's got a bio you know. It doesn't have the original by when picture it's all been updated and so you're listening to reading bio and it's the old bio well. Let's look at it this way. James's i show on two thousand eight and his bio on that show now says he works for mongo dooby before. That's right exactly. I know people are going back. What rachel what's your role at mongo. So i moved. Over to products in twenty twenty and i currently own all of our drivers and ap is and then in addition Framework integration so for php. That's larry will You know for ruby. That's rails and arm rails odiham which is mongoloid so a whole lot of stuff is summary. Boss here yeah. It's it's pretty exciting. I mean i joined manga in two thousand thirteen and it was a really different company. Actually not the tom. We didn't make any money wise. And i actually was when i first joined. I was on the cloud team and it was a much different product. Then this was pre atlas and so i actually have the spreadsheet of win. We first started making money. And i basically backed out our own personal credit cards. And we discovered that someone who didn't work at mongo. Db had paid us and we have a little party. So that's how long it's been now. It's been pretty crazy every day since i haven't been to. The story are of becoming a real company and that's without being acquired without going public like just growing up and that's a rarity to simply grow up in via company. I really recommend it if you can. You can handle a stress much preferred to work in at a big enterprise company. Where you're a cog for. Which is what i did. Prior to mongo. Db big big machines. So we've obliquely referenced times. I guess we better tell that story. So when mongo db atlas so among it'd be atlas is our database as a service platform you can use manga deby atlas with any cloud provider. So that's azure. That's gcp that's aws and essentially you. You know create an account. We have a free tier and it's free forever and you create your own little manga database. And you're up and running and you get your connection string and you're off to the races. It's huge at this point I was also obviously. They are when it was first created wing and a prayer. Hell mary type of style. And now you know we have c. Sharp actually is really big on atlas. We have over ten thousand active projects. Which active is somebody has logged in in the last thirty days and done something. So that's it's it's pretty. It's pretty big enough specifically c. Sharp projects right. Yeah overall project is much much. Larger projects is over over a million. At this point i would. I would presume. C. sharp is still very much a minority player in the in the mongo ecosystem. Yeah yeah you'd be surprised You'd be surprised at chuck. It's fun fascinating to me. You know when. I took over this position. I have to say like i was a little nervous about see sharp because it's one of the languages i've never worked with. I didn't know anything about him. Like microsoft yeah links. I never windows never But actually it's been super fun and it's one of my favorite teams to work with the community is just so great like really great And out of the top. You know i think. Out of the top. Ten gaming companies eight of them use mongo db and a lot of them use atlas actually which is pretty exciting so yes that's an area of focus and then of course like a bunch of Enterprise and financial firms uc sharp. Because it's a serious language. Meant for serious work. It's not an obvious thing. In the way that some other languages are well if you look at our commercials support offering which is where we make a good portion of our money. We're companies pay us to assist them and troubleshoot their applications most of these as you can imagine enterprises and therefore they use enterprise languages. Top top tier is java turnout surprising java c. Sharp is actually really close. Second for me. Let's face it. Essentially have similar origins. Right oh exactly statically. Typed object oriented management memory language in development environments like pretty pretty similar they are brothers yep and then pass that is that no j. us and the rest of our languages fall into down below that but yeah the top. Three languages are java. Java sharp and j. us enterprise side jaw job as he sharp and you sort of classic open web dev at davos. It's going to be no apps. A lot of developers whether java warsi sharp liked to play around with no j. on side. So that's what i've seen in enterprises is that they'll be a microsoft shop and sharper their javale shop so that all be java but then they got a bunch of nausea applications and both teams do exactly that they'll play with no gs his. Everybody has to write a little javascript. It's kind of unavoidable. I'm looping back a bit to them on the to atlas here. So if i'm on azure i can i can by this as a service and is also running on azure so you guys are actually operating on the three major cloud providers yet and actually if if you're worried about it or if you're one of the unfortunate souls who survived one of the aws outages in the past few years. You can actually have one of your each of your manga to be nodes on a different cloud so you can run across cloud which i like that well. Any par par somewhat multi cloud mythology to. It's almost like a checklist. But it's i appreciate that. Yeah you've done that. And so i could sink across these infrastructures if i wanted to migrate or or to have a fail over to another cloud i just have it as a guy who builds a lot of fail over solutions over the past decades. This is disturbing. I haven't seen a lot of fielded multi clouds like we can fail from from. Aws azure or. Did you see like that's just doesn't seem to be much of that. Actually lots of people talking about it. A lot of people talk about it but not a lot of people either. Do it or actually need to do it. Yeah we're i think. Multi multi cloud really plays strong. Especially the cto's is the lack of lock in if you're running on azure and microsoft decides to drastically increase as prices. Yeah you can just port your entire solution over to gdp or it'll be just not going to be free like there's gonna be effort involved with at least doable but it's doable. You do not all of a sudden reconsidering rewrite. My entire data layer in order to achieve these things. Yeah so what you're really describing then is prozac for right. That's actually is. It's like. Keep the cto com gonna be fine. We drop a couple of these in his coffee. You'll be all right. I guess it also depends on how far you depends on how far you go right so you can have everything in another cloud ready to go just laying dormant just images right and then turn it on if something goes wrong rather than invest a whole lot of time and effort and money into automatic fail over stuff you know then then it just comes down to up. Somebody gets a phone call or an alarm and they have to do it really quickly. I still think it would be days like it's just not that trivial wanted to shift that stuff across and and hopefully you're using the m.'s. And and containers and things that are relatively portable. You could go across deeply. Invested in any of the different vendors. Service technologies should've their distinctive analogy. There's going to be hard to move. Yeah that's true well and that's something that when you're building a cloud based application you have to consider a cloud vendors do provide a wide variety of very convenient services but they lock you into their platform. So how locked in are you willing to be. How much risk are you willing to tolerate being locked into. Aws or another platform. And how much do you want the flexibility to move services around. I like Azures coober nettie service because you can use your own docker containers and everything so as long as you have your containers some place ready to go. You could do your own cuban netease in and in gcp or in In an amazon if you need to But while you're on asher you can enjoy all the the wonderful high level stuff of ak s as a sort of separate thing. I think one of the other benefits of atlas is that secure by default. You get less. Esa sale automatically default. You don't have to set up anything which is really nice because you know. That's that's hard you've also got a variety of secur security solutions around like you can log in with a username password which is properly hashed salted over the net. Like you. don't wanna pass. Anything clear taxed You can use l. doubt you can use a api keys. There's a variety of ways of actually authenticating with the atlas service as well as private networks. So that you can isolate your look if you have a azure deployed infrastructure. You can make sure that it goes through private links so you only going across azure controlled. Interfaces you're not ever going out onto the public. Bob that reminds me. I want you to tell people about f. l. e. while we're here before we dive into that. Let's take break for this very important message. If you've had automating your. Espn at deployments. On your to do list. Now's a great time to give octopus. Deploy a try the starter edition. 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It's a recent feature that was added to mongo db and it allows you to do your encryption on the client side so you actually acquire encryption keys from an encryption key provider either on azure we now support azure and a and aws. I think we ought as well recently. So any of the major cloud providers they provide a key containers so you can request keys and those are ever only ever seen on the client side. So any data that you read has been encrypted with your key so the server the monkeys can't read it. It's just no pick blob a bits once it gets to the client. It's it can be automatically decrypted so it looks like clear text. So if you're storing hassle you shouldn't be showing say passwords sleep that topic out up. Ppi right like or p. I personally identifiable information which sometimes people want to store. So if you're storing credit card details once again need you really need to But things like social security numbers. Which often you do need to have them stored in your database. But you don't want your cloud provider necessarily to have access to the us. Side field encryption to actually encrypt these fields and ensure that and if you read them it just looks like encrypted bits but if you have the decryption key then all of a sudden it's readable unusable and is your ability to share those keys between devices so that multiple devices could decrypt it even though the store cannot yes So you actually communicate with the the jerky store aka s and if your client is typically do it on a server but if that server has been allowed access to a ks what y'all control take aka infrastructure than that client would be able to decrypt encrypt data to and from that is coming from manga. Db but if it didn't have those encryption keys for instance if it was reporting app that could only report on high level patient information but none of the particulars than you wouldn't grant it access and it would not be able to read those fields but you can go very granular. You can go okay. I want these three fields encrypted. But i don't want these other twelve encrypted at all so you can it not like you have to encrypt the entire object. You can if you want to. But typically Field by field. What sensitive rights. He could protecting specific data. But we we battled this problem with encryption on sequel server to where he was easy to grip the whole thing. But then you you know you just crippled any kind of querying because you had decreased everything to figure out any of that right. Not just a just encrypting sensitive information you just the salary information. Just the identifiable but the index the index stuff important stuff. We've still legible well while the other interesting things that we play with is you. When you're designing your encryption scheme what you can do is you can say. Let's say you're encrypting the salary information. You can encrypt it all with the same key. So they're always encrypt to the same value. You don't know what that value is but it's always the same value right and that allows you to still query it you can't do range based queries but you can do give me everybody who earns fifty thousand dollars stink because you can trip that fifty thousand dollars to a known value and then query the database saying everybody with is known value. I not know what that value is. But i know it's the same across these records exactly exactly so. There's a lot of fun things you can do with that from an application designs chant white insecurity standpoint. Yeah if you if you think hard about it but this whole encrypted before it leaves the device is pretty compelling for a lot of folks right. i don't. i'm not transmitting. It counting on some kind of encryption during transmission and then encrypting it again as it goes to rest on the in the central store and crooked it. Before i left. That's right y'all got for that and that's that's the client side encryption. Then we also do a lot of when you're on asher the bits that actually get out to the actual volumes are encrypted as well so we do on disconnection as well right to ensure that is secure while you guys mungo went through the security ride. I did a run as back in twenty seventeen about the mongo exploit which is like they. Hey you know what would be careful with. Defaults defaults are hard. Yes that it's not. I think it's also you know your products important when it makes but it becomes a part of an exploit like that like and now you have to think about your product differently too. And that was an interesting growing pain going from focusing on startups to an enterprise company off because as a startup. We want people to just be able to spin up a mongo d on your laptop. Not don't have to worry about authenticating anything you just connect to a certain port and you're off to the races so we made it really easy for developers to get mongo. Db setup running. Yeah well that was the problem and we had we had. We had all of our documents at the time. I was working with technical support and we had all the documentation in how secure it a. Nobody bothered insist. The that's the reality because the default was unsecured guy. You kind of have to force them to do the right thing. Even though it impairs their ability to get started yet by the other the atlas is another solution of that is like hey you developed locally. You ready to go into production. Why don't you use are secure one in the cloud and no worry about scaling at an all. Those other things like life will be easier this way. And you're far more likely to stay safe exactly because when you even when you spend up an zero cluster. Which is our lowest free tier always free that is secured not less. It has password protection automatically turned on everything secure by default in atlas as you can try out. I actually spent last week building applications with my team just like let's build a senior application and see what it's like from a user perspective and we just spun up. An atlas database put some data in there and were able to securely connect and started reading a phone app actually right on the device and connecting to atlas so that was a lot of fun but yeah it was secure by default of the box and as you start to scale. That's the other nice thing about atlas is you're going you say okay. Now i need more horsepower behind it this. I've developed the v. next plants versus zombies game. Let's start scaling this now we can. It's literally a click of the button in the u. Is like okay. I need an m. thirty. Which is our dedicated tier. Okay i need something with even bigger up to fifty and one hundred and what we are doing on the back end is basically scaling up the vm's at the running and providing more resources to the back end. She something somebody could do. Your ops team could be scaling mongo themselves. But did they want to do they wanna learn how they this thing and there are definitely people who do that. We do have an in prescription where you can. You can also just do it on community if you want right a lot of your own tooling you can download community for free and start building at your own mogadishu infrastructure. But is that what you want specialized right. Do you get a lot of customer requests asking you to move their relational databases to mongo some some. Yeah i mean that. Is that a common thing. And that's a that's an area that it's an area that i know. Our consulting team does log working obsessive. One of the nice things about maggie is. There's a support team. There's a conservative team. There's an engineer that we got all these different teams can focus on different things. There is a desire to move relational workloads over tomago db depending on the application. Sometimes that can be a good thing and sometimes it is more work than is really warranted. Yeah i don't find that lift and shift is super popular. I think what tends to happen. Is that they sort of sidecar the to databases for a while. And then they'll move workload over but it tends to be that they re architect in the process. Which is why. It's usually a very big projects like let's download all the data and then just put it in mongo. It's it's more like a even considering lifting and shifting. Because you have relational data that now has to be documented. Alexa therefore does need to be reacted absolutely but do. Do you think that if you were going to make the case somebody who's got a hefty sequel azure bill every month. Because they're you know because it's expensive. Let's face it and you know. Maybe it turns out that the shape of their data with lend itself really well to a document database. What's the case. Is it a money in performance. Both make the case there. I think it's both one of the solutions that is is pretty recent. I can't remember what year we debuted our data lake project but it's basically You know you can query your data in s. three bucket and then the results of the query you can put into a manga debbie database. So that's how some companies shift there content or their their data basically to mongo to be atlas which is a pretty nice way to do it because then it's like i'm only moving the data that i need just kind of nice i worked in consulting four gb. I think that you know it's one of those projects that we would love to bid on as a consultancy firm because it will take multiple years. No cost you millions of dollars and then you may not actually get any your net. Your net money gained loss. Might not really be what you were sold. I think well you look at the price of an enterprise license of sequel server today Like it's it's far more than the hardware. The hardware price keeps going down. The the licensed price keeps going up. Right what a sixteen thousand core right now for enterprise sequel server like. It's no fooling like the you could buy a lotta sequel azure for that and i suspect you buy awful lot of atlas for two. Oh that's true totally. I mean that's one of the reasons to move atlas also it's a consumption based model so if you are gonna run on thirties then you which is a sort of a smaller instance is like and then you scale up when you need to or during specific periods of the year. Like if you're a retailer for black friday you'll skill up and then you'll skill back down around valentine's day and it's fine. Yeah i've tried doing that with hardware. It's really tough to take those rams don't do it's not a good idea just leave. Leave those michelle. You don't have hot swap. Richard you pull hard enough everyday talks. That's why yeah. But if you know to that point. This alaska this sort of op ex capital choices like instead of investing in that hardware. And i'm saying this on the it side. These contracts are expiring these hardware. This harbors coming out of warranty. You're looking at in some cases to common numbers worth of equipment in licenses and so forth and you can get an awful lot of variable cost resources for that money. Like i just put that in the bank pay it out monthly and get pretty comparable results and ultimately if i careful and do some tuning and like you said dial down dial up. Those times are can spend less now. Nothing's for free like there's effort involved but by there's nothing easy about buying and setting up new gear either like instead pilot or the other thing that's true and like i'm sure that my our sales team would literally murder me if they hear this podcast but you can also in efforts to developer friendly. We don't have long term contracts for support so if you're using atlas you can purchase a poor because you have a problem or you want a question answered and then you can. Of course cancel your support. So you don't get locked in to this sort of multi year Thousands and thousands of dollars type of deal which is really cool. Yeah and it depends on your organization as to how that works. I also know companies where it's like you don't spend this money you lose it from your budget so you know i've been on the vendor side of that where somebody's calling me saying. Listen i got to this month. What can you sell me once you guys. Give me some kind of contract that shows. I'll get value from you over the next year. I just need this money out of the my account. This you are my friends. I will make something special. i guarantee you. Yeah well and actually the reason we first started doing that is because what would happen. Customers would have some kind of incident or some kind of problem and they would want. I want to support. I don't care how much it cost. i'll pay it right now and we're like no well we'll have to send you to procurement and then you have to sign some papers and they're like can i. Just give you a critical. No you need to start talking now however much money you want to on my problems and also take my money. Yeah yes well again. This is back to the prozac statement. It's like i've been that contract where it's like you pay a retainer to me so that i say there it'll be okay and then go make it okay. Well hearkening back to an earlier comment was. There's a lot of place that the cloud really excels is elastic. Compute resources where you can scale up and scale down. There's a quite a number of business. Not all businesses. But there's a lot of businesses that are very cyclical in nature either seasonal Where black friday. Rush or a i worked with a particular customer who shall remain nameless. Wonderful folks to work with But they they're peaks were around sporting events and every time there was a super bowl or an mc w aa tournament or some big sporting event have a huge spike in traffic. And then it would die down to almost nothing and so with. They were actually on atlas in what they do. Is they scale. Up to very large instances a or two before the big event. Host the big event and yeah. They'd be spending a lot of money for those few days but they've also got a lot of income coming in because of those events and then once those events are done they would scale back down to minimal instances to keep the background traffic going. And there's a number of businesses gaming companies. Do this where they have like. Blizzard has a big launch. And all of a sudden. You're gonna have a lot of traffic hammered. Now we can scale up and then once interest dies down then you scale back down and that flexibility that you're not locked into physical hardware and having to pay too because we're basically with physical hardware you paying for your peak. Now you have to the po provision the pizza and then you've got that peak provision hardware for the other three hundred and sixty four days that you don't need yeah that's absolutely true and certainly this is the new era right. The utility computers that we can buy what we need when we need it and in reasonably short amount of time i mean. How long does it take to move to a higher instance and On atlas minutes. Yeah there's a lot of a we do a lot of Interesting things in the back end. Most of the cloud providers will allow you to tweak their hardware once every six hours right so if you just need a like a very comic database we live and die by aiops guy ops. So if you want to bump up from like a thousand to ten thousand aiops that'll take a few minutes. Yeah i still think if. I might be doing ops coming into black friday. It's like on wednesday. I turn up the nah right and then sort of poke things like everybody. Happy with the big instance and we all good. We don't want to wait until noon on friday for another thing that we were experimenting with Experiment because it's actually in production is auto scale you can turn on auto scaling on your allison. Is that if you see a certain peak load for an extended period of time it will auto scale up to the next instant size. What's the thing you're measuring is like number of transactions are is it i opposite you're measuring ago. This view. Bombardier instance right now. A cpu guys. We're are pinned. Yeah you're processor is pin. Pretty hard bottleneck for mound. Go like i think disk latency zero bottleneck remember. I think you can also do it on. Aiops sedans on your workload if you're doing a very heavy workload. Obviously disguise ops is going to be your primary driving factor if you are doing heavy duty. Educations of where you're doing grouping expressions that's where you can run into. Cbs resource end. Seaview run. We almost never see network run. Hot is typically depending on your workload. It can query heavy and using complex queries like if you're just searching by essentially primary key are underscore field than that takes. Virtually no seaview resort sources resources. But if you're doing a lot of sorting in aggregation in server memory than that can take up cebu you can actually have atlas auto scale so that it will bump up to the next tier up to a maximum the you set and then if it remains if you are below a certain value for typical previously days. I think we're we're getting a bit more aggressive. It can be on the order of ours if you see like your views really running low. You're not using law guy. Oh then you'll drop down your tears again down to a certain minimum set point as it were very much experimenting with this for customers to optimize their costs on atlas. If you could get into daily with is like if you're a retail outlet that's streaming data from transactions but like ten hour window where every store is close like being able to turn that knob all the way down for what is better more than a third of the day or add up over share. Yeah for sure. What about the long term storage side of things is archived. Like i find that. That's an excellent. Sequel azure and these kinds of products as datasets. Get big. they actually get really expensive. And you kinda wanna carve off old data and put it away right so where how. What is the cheapest storage out there in the world today. Blob block store. Yeah whether it be s. Three or azure block store. That is by far the cheapest per gigabyte that you can get so one of the things that we enable is atlas data lake where you can actually pull off your old archive data into an s. Three blob store or a azra blob store and the nice thing about that is although your performance isn't great it's to query -able right so it's still there you know. Is it going to be slower. Because we don't have the full indexes we actually have you can issue mongo db queries against this blob store. Which is quite cool. Yeah but it's it's still there and available for reporting purposes but you're not in incurring the cost of having it hot an available immediately. I should mention the azure sequel does make backups. And so if you screw something up you can just go online into the portal. Find the last backup and restore that to another sequel database. And you're off to the races. That is a very nice feature. But you know you you pay for it. Yep we have automatic backups as well an in atlas so you can actually you can establish a backup schedule a. The backups are snap shotted into asimov's door or orange s three and then you can pick a snapshot and then restore it either to your own. Cluster to cluster. So you have similar functionality. So that you can because you live in companies live and die by the data. Yep and you talk about keeping. Cto's com lose weight like that's bad that'd be cto's get upset win. But so having visibility into data that's old is great but releasing the cost of storing all. Data's because the traditional solution is just delete data. Right or i built archive systems. Auto remote stores is archive it onto tapes yet but having it all built into the platform and we are investing in this as well so to make it easier to right now last. I looked You could either query the data that's in atlas or the the data and data lake. We're one of our goals is to provide a holistic view of it so it will look like the same collection but data that is past a certain year at certain point old will actually exist in s. three and be queried for automate that shuffling i can run into toads Over do do a batch. Once a week this sorta hunts down the oldest stuff in pushes over that street. But i'd rather more me than it's your fault. The other real selling point. I think is that there is automatic upgrades of your manga debbie server version. Which you don't have to do that anymore. Right break right but yeah it's nice that it's you know upgrading. Gnarly takes effort. But you always doing it wrong. At least if if the the vendor is doing it they're probably doing it right and if they're doing around they're upset rags up people at once and hopefully no breaking changes of version to version. Yeah we have a process where you know for the entire platform like said there is over a million active projects so we don't roll it out to all one million at the same time we we basically roll it out to a randomized ten percent and wait and then another twenty percent and wait and then another twenty percent and wait and then the remainder so if we have to. We can rollback of version upgrade. If we see that there are any problems with the i. Ten percent and related to that is not only mogadishu upgrades but os upgrades. You have to run your server software out on us and it's always a hassle. There's a new windows version. There's a new lennox patch comes out and going through the rigmarole of having to upgrade all of your servers. That once again taken care of. Portia not you guys mentioned if free skew atlas what are you get. Oh i don't know we saw. James will have to look up the stats. It seems like a lot. There are a lot of people using it and not just for a tinkering and not for learning mongo db but there are actually people who are running production level apps in our free tier which is kind of fascinating. We did a survey we sort of assume that most people who were Running applications on our free tier sort of learners or students or beginners with mongo. Db but that didn't turn out to be true based on the responses to the survey so yes so you can start out at five hundred twelve megabytes storage for free. And i think there's also a limit on connections and a limit on aiops. But i don't recall what they are sure. So if you have your your stuff out there your clusters or your your shared. Cluster and In turns out lo and behold everybody wants to be on it you know and it becomes popular. You can sort of migrate that up. I suppose that's great. It's also i mean. I use the free tier buy-sell for you know some one of the things i did. This year was analyzing stack overflow developer survey data. So i just put it in mongo. Db and then did some charts so that could look like a cross sections of developer communities. That was cool for that. And then last year i did a health little app which was mobile in a web app and they used our free tier for that and then used it for a talk me world so it's nice to get something up quick quick and running. I think when it comes to my health. I'd want to impact other than but it's also especially with demos it's like i don't like it in the bill at the end of the month because i forgot to turn the flipping off not that. That's this is all good stuff guys very very good. What's next what's next for you james offer me. We're working so. I've been working on the sharp driver and we of new features coming one of the features as coming in the next few days is were introducing. Better lennox support. So if you've got a dot net core apps running on lenox We're going to be adding the ability to feel bubble encryption. Cfl and the fear that i implemented was actually kurosawa. Nice so we're actually talking to the gp shared library on lenox and doing all the funding perot's ticketing stuff and that was believe me. I understood. for bruce before because i knew tickets i new server tickets a new Your ticket to all that actually. Having to implement the bits on the wire is a total total level of understanding. How you can see sharpe seven. These days We actually recently upgraded to c sharp nine po. And we can we do this. Hey we can if if we use a c. Sharp nine feature that requires compiler Libraries sport than we get under myler so we can use all of the new cool features like record types and others that come with c. Sharp nine and eight at did. I did mean to say nine seven. Oh okay moving in the past. But ultimately i know there's a lot of lot of really nice language features that allow you run much clearer code in c sharp and just some of the things that we're used to from functional languages are definitely coming over to see sharp you were. So what's what's in your sharp team I really you know. I've mentioned the gaming before. I started digging in on that and so have asked some of our developer advocates and developer relations teams to do Unity tutorials for c. Sharp from from beginning for beginners so build off entire game in ninety minutes so they've started doing youtube Live streaming of building a game in. It's sort of paired programming exercise. I think it's going to be really cool And then the other thing that. I'm gonna probably ask the team to do is I keep an eye on whenever we have sort of a little swell of users asking for certain things or complaining about thing and so probably going to ask the team to do serialisation improvements ca notice. There's a few tickets that come in faster and make it better. Yes the there's always going to be those. Yeah never fast enough those thing but it gets you know you're the pm role you could see the this hit a critical mass where it's like. Better look at this as something narrada to prove well in the serialisation movements are interesting because we actually have unlike some of the other drivers in one of the I was interested in joining the c. Sharp team is that our serialisation infrastructure includes complete. Odium object document map. So it's you don't just have to work with documents you could actually say. I've got a customer i've gotten order. Are you actual pocos then automatically get translated into the equivalent document structures by the drive itself. So you can get your business layer abstraction level and what the driver worry. That is really cool james. Glad you're working on. That's very cool. 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"I with what is it. Six hundred ninety three goals with Mark Messier. These familiar names. Of course you know the names that you're you know that years you get to the top of the list and whether it's the the NBA scoring list or the NHL scoring The guys will more goals are going to be. The guys played longer and probably played more recently because can conditioning I always speak to my own. recency bias was sports because everything evolves everything gets better. You know maybe not year to year but decade today the the athletes of the twenty twenty s one one were sitting here hopefully not doing the exact same show in twenty twenty nine when when we look back at this decade that has just begun. We're going to look at it and we're GONNA say that the players of this decade were better than the one on supplied from two thousand ten to twenty one thousand nine hundred and that's just the way it goes and you're you're in better shape you're able to play more games in an eighty two game the season of vaccines done over over the fifteen years that he's you know that he's played in the NHL has been really impressive and it kind of goes back. Look how many teams does he played for in his career. Just just so Chris. Jerry played for a couple of teams story. But I you know I I I I got to know cours jury. When we're about same age I was born in seventy six seventy eight I got to know him through his nineteen eighteen eighty nine trumbull Connecticut Little League team. They beat Chinese Taipei and the Little League world series is politically correct. Because you've heard of Taiwan. John Never heard. Never all your closer made when you were just a little jenny and who does drop the Ajay word. I'm here but they call it Chinese Taipei. Because you don't want you don't want to get those people on that island Elon that is relatively independent in trouble for not recognizing them as a part of China. The Taipei part of China which is not worthy? What's what's the what's the latest virus that all the kids are talking about these days are you? Did you actually forget what it's called or do you just want to hear me. You say it I just want to hear you say it's really catchy. Like I could see how some would be forgettable. But it's corona virus. That's so much better than swine flu virus so much better than the bird. Flu Flu Virus Cara Security Simply Z. Anyone from they're all they're all kind of the same thing they're all just a lot of vomiting. It's just the These are the ones that Cata sneak past the goalie. I haven't looked at the symptoms of the corona virus. I thought it was respiratory and really bad fluish instant daf well. It's not no. I don't need sue. You get freaked out about something else. Are we got to throw to break here. She's Jeff is foul territory at sports overnight. America and we'll be right back with backstrom. Carlson fires blocked off. You're listening to sports overnight. America the big game is right around the corner and the basketball season is often enrolling. And now you can get into the game with our exclusive sports betting partners bet online dot. Ag Sign up today and receive your fifty percent. Welcome bonus on your first deposit and make your bets on your favorite teams every spread every total every winter. Every loser straight Bet Harley Ortiz your way through it all by then online dot ag has all of the big game wagering action that you could ask for including everyone's favorites the profits. How long will the national anthem go? How many yards will patrick mahomes throw full? 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Boxing Organization is boxes only transparent apparent. Sanctioning body you'll follow W on facebook or check out their website. WBZ BOXING DOT COM. W THE OBAMA DOT com the world boxing where he's You're hooking you the foul territory. Now here's Jennifer all right. Welcome back. Everyone Balser story. We've got the big game coming up this weekend. I gotta ask for in. At least one of the questions from tonight's talk up to the show Gen- gender really good job give us about twenty seconds of teasing the show each and every night and she looked to be when we talked a little bit about this Colin Kaepernick Gofundme page for a helicopter are. That's that's really really important regardless of how you feel about kneeling and everything else or even good life. The life and death of Kobe. Brian as a really really really in poor taste. Somebody started this thing to raise five hundred thousand dollars at you know whoever started. It didn't really have a great idea of how much helicopters cost Sir thousand dollars enough to cover I actually. I don't even know you'd be surprised you'd be surprised you get stuck in traffic traffic one too many times and you start looking at alternative methods of transportation but Thirty thousand dollars short of its five hundred thousand dollars those people rolling to give actual money out of nothing but spite I mean th that's all it comes down to so it Kinda was not a serious thing but it was a real thing thing and You know the subject and again I'll be the first to say it's all in poor taste and in poor taste that the media is asking another Los Angeles Basketball Player Quite a letter to happen to share helicopter pilot. The you know the the late I wish I had his name in front front of me. But the you know the the one who perished in the In the crash on Sunday was also quite Leonard saw helicopter pilots. So of course you'RE GONNA ask. Why Leonard Are you GONNA fly in helicopters captors again which is just such a dumb question that he wouldn't dignify with a response and and I kind of I can't understand that that's what I said last night? It's it's it's going to far these prodding questions digging for stuff but that's a society that we've become now. We have to know everything everything all the time as soon as possible all right. Here's just a few things we're GONNA get into Super Bowl prop bets here in just a second but just a few of the things that are are a little more. I don't WANNA say disturbing. It is disturbing that That everybody was guessing and trying to kill all Kobe's he's daughters and his wife and Rick Fox who was described? Who Friend's father described his girlfriend? He's like he's on the shows that you watch. She's a tall handsome of light. Skinned Black Man with the with nice hair and I realized that he's on these Soap operas Azzam. Rick Fox is but You know his family had to deal with the news of his death even though that they knew that he was still alive. Because you're going out there and you world just kinda throwing everything at the law seeing what sticks and and if you're right you know it's like Ding Ding Ding Ding. A you know if you're not it's just so so insensitive and disrespectful and You Know Eh reminds you of something humorous that Andy Richter once said on late night with Conan. O'Brien these do do that. futuristic sketch where was in the year two thousand which they started in the nineties but they continued on through the two thousand and two thousand six. And you're doing in the a year two thousand but they had outlandish predictions and one of them was in the year two thousand. It is revealed that Elvis not only faked his own death red foxes. To and here. We are faking. Rick Rick Fox's death and it and it was not a funny thing like it was on like it was on Conan. O'Brien O'Brien talking about Elvis. Being able to fake other people's death speaking of deaths we're taking. I'll were not killing Mr peanut after all now and this was of course in sensitivity to the tragedy evolving Kobe Bryant like wasn't it just insensitive to begin with because somebody was going to die this week. League soda is somebody that somebody cared about was going to die this week. And you know if you're gonNA talk about killing a fictitious product mascot God y'all why why don't you just roll with it. I only care about the commercials during the superbowl. I don't care who's playing. That is the only reason I'm watching. The Super Super Bowl is to stuff. My face was stuff I don't need to be eating and watch commercials we are. I mean I'm literally at every second trying to block spoilers from commercials because they're all available online. Now why do we even know what commercials are coming back in the day. You just have to wait for the commercials. You didn't get these previews of what was going on. You saw them. I mean you were excited. I know almost every single commercial. I'm going to see on Sunday. There's almost no point of even watching. Shame shame and distress in my the voice this is. This is literally the only good part of the super bowl and they are destroying. Its second by second by telling US everything beforehand. This is everybody's trying to be first being being I more so than being right and I'm not talking about accuracy but I'm just talking about why take the entertainment value off off the table. Why are you spending this much money to air these commercials during the Super Bowl and just gonNA slap it up on your website three days beforehand? Just wait I mean. Obviously it's going to cost money to make the commercial but don't pay the time but instead we're just put it on your website. Everyone's already seeing it anyways. Maybe maybe maybe the thought involved with it it is that it's set us and they WanNa take all the fun of our lives all that. Of course it Dave Chapelle said about pop copy and let's face it Kinko's yeah why don't you customers respect and then Chapelle says 'cause athem that's why that's why so. Yeah they don't care about you the sports don't care about the fans the networks don't care about viewers it's all about what's going to make the money and you know if you can over saturate your product meal maybe it's a few mentioned One of the prop bets pro. You understand these proposition bets there a lot more than who wins and who loses Ed's Al.. It's you know it's it's comparing. I mentioned the trump trump tweets on Monday versus niners points on Sunday. Who you got that one by the way? Hopefully the niners more word niner points now. Well I don't know what the Donald Averages in the earliest tweets. I don't know if I want. I don't know if I want to find out I've got a blocked. I've had a block since two thousand eleven. I am not a fan of president of the United States. Just just as a human being. Has You know before you get into policy or anything else I just. I think it's obnoxious. I always thought he was obnoxious. Going back to the apprentice. I think that You know I I think that he struggles with the truth and I think that is tweeting regardless of political affiliation. I think that it's beyond immature. And I think that I think that what happens in the game how we react to the commercials how we react to the to the super bowl whether or not the team. That wins is going to accept a White House visit. I I think all of those. I think that the game itself would very much affect How how much he tweets now? San Francisco's relatively liberal place. So I would think that he's not going to be a fan of the California team because he's not gonNA carry it to California in two thousand twenty anymore than carried it in twenty sixteen so You know these are the prop Bats San Francisco. I would say that they're going to score more points than the Donald will we. Will we have thirteen team to three game last year. I think if it's if it's a low scoring game that they're very much in danger of being bested by at. I don't even know what it is. I think it's Batmobile Donald J trump. I have we don't like to have. I don't even tweet so I don't. I don't twitter so I don't even know I think Scott's with yup up behind the glass there about you know it don't get a shunning the twitter and watching people fight on it and It's just another medium for people to be Name call each other all right. So let's start with commercials. They say how many commercials will air you. That's something that you can bet on. I don't have any idea. How many commercials aired during the course of normal game but I would say that you probably double it with the Super Bowl? Yeah I would imagine so. Oh but remember you got some of the little local ones sneaking their to and then TV teasers for TV shows so in terms of like brand new commercials or total count commercials. Total county seventy five eighty five hundred. Sixty eight wow America these down two hundred sixty eight and you said what seventy five. Yeah four minute. Commercial Breaks thirty second segments. Some of them were members. Some people go beg do minute minute and a half long commercials and that's movies movies. Yeah Yeah you know. They're small productions hype Williams car commercials But yeah you'RE GONNA end up getting like a minute and a half long in-car commercial at some point in the commercial breaks for longer but you have to take into account longer commercials. Don't add to the quantity. It's just you know the the probably a little bit more memorable double the more of a story to Tell I. I liked Chris. Pratt like you get excited for the globe. Commercially shows up and he's going to be an extra i. I thought that was a CO commercial They also have on here Well we see betty white a snickers commercial specific. Yeah and she does everything all the time. of an eye. They they that we've been there done that we're both on the same page. Just can be a no all right before the game. We have the national anthem. which because there's a certain player not playing for the forty niners anymore shouldn't be anywhere near controversial purcell It's going to be Demi lovato singing be national anthem Let's start off. This is We have we have three here First of all the color of her microphone occur phone. You're going to go with gray. I'M GONNA go with black alright. We'll she miss any words in the national anthem. And I'm with you to Iowa. Yeah I think that that's that's kind of a rank amateur thing and I don't. Let's yet has she in a clean phase right now Demi Levato I don't know anything about Demi Levato I I. I wouldn't be out of a lineup. We watched her shoes on Glee Glee when we watched glee fifteen years ago remember. It's very private. That is that is something that we did. Incompetence Dad only happened because a super bowl your document for the Super Bowl and it ended angrily came on and that's how we ended up and that's it was like one of the first two seasons when it was actually funny but no you've seen her before they. It was a very football themed episode episode. You know yeah you know. She was but she doesn't. She has some issues she struggles with and I think if she's in a clean phase. He's right now getting things together. Then Yeah No. We got a good performance. The ads would be a little bit higher. I mean you a little bit more of a payout. If you bet on the you know the her missing words yeah all right. How about the tie? The length of the from I note to home of the brave she I feel like she is somebody who does stretch out uh-huh for way longer than necessary. Okay over under two minutes over. I'M GONNA go under Oh I'm wrong just to just to propose that should get it done it about. I'm GonNa Sing Ninety eight seconds. Okay you're good with that but you're GonNa go one hundred twenty or higher gap one twenty one twenty six since two. Oh six in the In terms of seconds and minutes are halftime. Our we're running. Out of time here will Jaylo and Shakira Sing in Spanish during the halftime. Show in Miami like an entire song or just at any point in general point. Yes yes both of them. Will we see Ricky Martin on stage. We see things we're not supposed to No I don't think it's two thousand anymore. I don't think it's nine hundred ninety nine so we are not. I'm not going to see off somewhere. Raising eight hundred children or something. I had secretly been speaking off and following the life and times of Ricky. Martin I have no idea are some of these were just GonNa go lightning round Will a player be arrested. Miami after the game oh absolutely just No no fan on the field. Maybe someone after secure Jaylo but not during football play all right. We'll bring isn't he already like probably crafted a half and half Jersey each team or are we going to see Colin Kaepernick mentioned. Are we going to hear his talk about Tom. Brady I the anticipate at least forty times of and as you know to- Brady's played today for the first time in a Hundred Years Joe Book. Look ooh I'm so Joe Buck Aikman. The call for the game with a winning team be invited to the White House to get started to hate super bowl just during the course of this conversation all my Kansas City. Yes San Francisco. All right we got throat you a break I want your MVP prediction on the other side. 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Listen on Jimmy Ward is the MVP to seventy one hundred seventy five four Jimmy Garoppolo. What's on TV tomorrow night? We are going to watch nuggets at Jazz battle for for Western Conference both Thirty two and fifteen and that one at Seven thirty Pacific ed leave on TNT right. So she's Jen. I'm jeff this has been foul territory Tori odds sports overnight America. Stay tuned for more sports. Come your way next hour on the sports byline broadcast network Sir You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting casting. What twenty percent and our newsfeed? This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by the follow us on facebook. Twitter and INSTAGRAM's service newscaster generally the twenty twenty nine twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford President. Trump's defense team appeal to the Senate Tuesday to disregard and you'll account by John Bolton that bolsters the impeachment case against the president that from the New York Times they report by days and Republican leaders indicated. They had not corralled the votes they needed to prevent the former national security advisor or other witnesses from coming forward the Times notes on the final day of arguments on trump's behalf J. secolo sought to raise raise doubts about Bolton's claim cycle colder outsourced allegation that he could tenses inadmissible at the impeachment trial. California made me leader in many areas but overall wellbeing is not one of them. That's according to a new report Suzanne Paulo reports for pianists. The latest children's report card from the nonprofit children now gives California A grade of C minus overall the only eighth grade in the sixteenth semiannual analysis is for kids. Health coverage coverage as only three percent of California. Children remain uninsured children now president. Ted Limpert says that's because the state has moved aggressively to cover all kids kids including those who are undocumented and what happens when our state leaders really focused and set a goal and we get there. Almost twenty percent of our kids did uninsured just a couple of decades ago so this has been real progress on that front. How ever the state got a grade of D. Plus for affordable childcare because only only fourteen percent of low income families can get their children into state subsidized care the report also notes that childcare workers make very low wages which has led therese shortage that report also found California ranks among the lowest in the nation on per pupil spending for K.? Through twelve education as well as a preventative health screenings screenings for kids covered by Medico and Kentucky lawmakers or considering putting an excise tax on e cigarettes sold in the Commonwealth the tax would be equal to the current tax on traditional cigarettes which is one dollar and ten cents per pack Republican Representative. Jerry Miller of Louisville is the bills primary sponsor. He points out. His colleagues are struggling to come up with the state budget amid the worst projected revenue growth in decades largely due to tax cuts. He Says House Bill Thirty me too would bring in much-needed state revenue while improving Kentucky inns health but this tax has the added benefit in the primary benefit. Really of reducing. Take us by young people pregnant mothers to simply because they are more price sensitive yesterday. Evening Governor Andy Bashir announced his budget plan for the the next two years. According to the latest Kentucky Health Issues Poll three out of four Kentucky adults approve taxing e cigarettes vaping products but bill is now in the Kentucky Chucky House Appropriations and Revenue Committee. If passed it would take effect as early as August. This is Penis Ohio farmers will be growing going. Hemp this bring. It is a risky crop. But some pioneers or eager to make it work the. USDA established an interim rule asphalt to regulate hemp production in in Ohio was one of the first state to have its hemp program approved by federal regulators. Hemp is very labor intensive crop typically grown on five acres or less Julie Durant with the Ohio. Hemp Farmers Cooperative Explains Farmers also face a somewhat murky regulatory environment and she doesn't think hemp will make much profit at the start of a brand new industry. No one has been growing plant for more than four years anywhere in the US so to say that we can just start out and be so strict on his regulation nations and have to comply with all of these. I just really warn. This is a risky business. And were pioneers. That are trying to make this work. The rules for help in Ohio are still being written and could be finalized by state. Legislators in the coming weeks growing and processing licenses could be available in March. Just ahead planting season me. Wally public comment period period on the USDA's interim rule. And today Mary Sherman reporting this story was produced with the original reporting from Maria mcguiness at Kent State a public comment period on the USDA's interim rule and today the twenty twenty cents is kicks off about two months a lot on the line for states like Missouri Children Under eighteen account for roughly twenty two percent of all missourians directive says operations John. Shackles says children are missed in that. Twenty twenty tally. The state will miss out on crucial federal dollars. We don't want people to forget their little ones counting. Our children means education childcare roads bridges infrastructure for for the next ten years. And we just don't want Missouri's children to be less doubted that national picture nationwide nearly five percent of kids age five were not counted in the lessons finally are Mike. Bowen reports some Minnesota Lakes invasive species are limiting the growth of a popular Fish University of Minnesota researchers say the culprits culprits are Zebra mussels and spiny water flea. The researchers found in lakes where they are present they can reduce the size of Walleye between twelve and fourteen percent. The species takeaways zoo plankton food source. For the fish Geoff Forrester. WHO has the Group of Minnesota lakes and rivers advocates says? The findings should spur stronger action by the state to prevent the spread of these species. What we've been doing this kind of emphasis on educational and personal responsibility? That's not getting it done. I think get slow the spread but it certainly hasn't stopped it. Forester says he'd like to see the state adopt more stringent boat inspection policies such as making it a requirement for people getting an operator's licence. DDR has enforced strong limits for anglers. Some of those restrictions have been slowly lifted as while I makes a comeback in the popular lick my Clifford for public do service. We are member. Endless Ter- supported and reminded public service DOT. Org their fears. Foul territory with Jeff. Jed On sports overnight America welcome in everyone follow territory with Jeff and John Rich Year from Phoenix Arizona. I'll talk about in the world of sports. This edition of the Foul Territory Program brought to you by the masters of the obvious Patrick Mahomes. He's GonNa to play in the Super Bowl on Sunday surprise surprise. He says he wants to be with. Kansas City. Is Your career. Why not start a little controversy by going on? We're all wall Patrick. Mahomes go in free agency Kobe. Bryant's life speaks for the first time publicly. said Sunday's tragedy add surprise surprise. She said that her husband and daughter died is is that a big shock site a little bit about all the you know the collateral damage but at the collateral news cycle that comes with the passing of a former superstar in the National Basketball Association. myles Garrett remember him yeah might be reinstated to the League because hitting a guy with a helmet is probably not worse than some of the things that these players get away with on the field of the browns speaking of the Browns They are subject to more criticism of the big bad math game game. You know we talk about how you know you were told that there would be no matthew on the program but occasionally numbers help you get to a solution. In one year's terrible is the browns. Maybe the numbers game will work for you. We've got a lot on Kris Bryant Who will not be free? Agent which changes his trade value for the Chicago cubs makes them look a little bit smart for twenty fifteen keeping him in the bus leagues for an extra couple of weeks so they get an extra year on the end of his rookie contract and the name Chris jury is that fun to say or not Jen. It is fun to save but it kind of evokes not good feelings. Are you feel injury tonight. Cloudy in Phoenix today today too. So it's now it's Juror Day. We'll talk about the general manager of the twenty twenty. US Hockey team and we got a lot more. We got a lot random tonight. We'll talk about pets for the big game on Sunday. She's Jen I'm Jeff. This is sports overnight. America's presentation of foul territory. You're listening to the sports byline broadcast hour. We'll be right back in. The big game is right around the corner and the basketball season is often rolling. 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If you don't mind jen in usually I don't mind talking about what I want to talk about here on the program. I you know I always appreciate your participation. You know we got your doing scores next segment here. You're not the biggest fan of the National Football League but the Super Bowl is all about a lot more than football. You've got the commercials you've got the a three game shows you got the party's you got the squares you got the crazy bats that you know like like like this one February third will trump tweet more times than the forty niners score points on February. Second that's just a little taste of the things that you know the weird things that you can bet on for the big game but You know an interesting tidbit to come from the media with Patrick. The home's third your quarterback your starting quarterback for the kids city chiefs tells media that you know he wants to be with the chiefs his entire career and I think that that's very beneficial It's a little easier to do with just about any team in the NFL than it is in baseball and really even basketball I. I'd say it's somewhat easy and hockey because you have the salary cap. So every team can essentially pay their state player. The same amount of money but I. It's it's a big. I think it's a big deal with your legacy. Of course. Kobe Bryant overshadows all of the All the other sports news this week and him Derek jeter you know they have the thing in common where they spend their entire career with one team. Do you think there when we look back on an athlete's career after uh either they pass away or they're just done playing that you'll play for one team really benefits you in the you know as far as perception reception goes it's weird because I don't think there's really any logic for it but I think most people would agree that staying with the same organization over the duration of your career is kind of more of achievement versus bouncing around from team to team regardless of what kind of titles are accomplishments. You get with whatever teams you're with. I think it does show a lot more of a person to stay with an organization gay and of course you know that if you talk about the Kobe as the best player of yesteryear a year that the Lebron isn't that conversation for The best player not not necessarily currently in the game but the the the biggest legacy and his entire career has been a term that has been A. What do they call the rotating door? You know that rotating door maybe this it was okay. It is a rotating door. I always think at the beginning of perfect strangers would opt alcohol. and Larry you know go Larry treats normally in value. Just keeps going round Gordon Round. That's your off Bronson Pinchot. Oh reference for the show. Well they have. I imagine a technical term for what those numbers are besides just rotating doors. We're GONNA go with rotating door taking a Lebron has switched organizations four times to play for three teams Patrick Patrick Mahomes is very very early in his career. Let's let's throw I see you're wearing the Iowa cubs Baseball shirt this evening. So let's talk a little let's let's relate to the Chicago cubs You have two players that are hall of Famers in Ryne Sandberg and Andre Dawson. Andre Dawson. County has a the split between the expos and I think that everybody wants to hold onto the expos since they are no more whereas has Ryan Sandberg played for the copses entire career. I know that your like Harry. What bounced around? But you think of in primarily as a COBB I don't think that it's necessarily surly just switching teams but when you switch teams in the primary career. I think that it's looked at differently. And then you don't have this one loyal fan base that you have off multiple fan bases or fan bases that look at a player changing teams as being disloyal. So they don't have any say over. Its It's while that that's one thing and I think that that's something to be considered but I think the the Derrick jeeter has the advantage thirteen gets drafted by the Pittsburgh pirates tyrants in place six years with the pirates and then plays another eight or nine with the you know. Let's let's say the Yankees I think he's looked at in a slightly really different white. I think those kind of tiers based on the various levels of how players stay. NFL Yeah they usually stick around and be a they typically typically hang out for a little bit and then just to get winding and stop performing until they just get traded because everyone's tired of putting up with them and baseball's kind of weird with all of their weird Contractual agreements in terms of when you could free agent or not or no trade clauses just all sorts of weird things. Baseball's always kind of confused me in terms arms of what can and cannot happen. And why don't you think like a guy like Anthony. Rizzo is going to be looked at differently. Especially you talk about the amalgamation mation their names and they and their marketing campaign. The Brazil combination of Kris Bryant and at the tail that Kris Bryant goes away and you know everything everything from the two thousand Sixteen Championship. You know Kinda. You're you're going to lean on a guy like Rizzo assuming that he stays with the organization his attorney career and he hasn't been in the cubs. Organization's been with Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein Most of the way you know starting out with the padres ending the Red Sox Oregon or organization Padres Organization. He ends up with COSMAS. Play a major league game with anybody. The Chicago cubs. So you're GONNA look at career a career carbon and you're going to hold them in in a little higher regard especially as it relates to the two thousand sixteen championship team. I don't know if I've ever really felt that any of those guys were all going to stick around. And and I I was just trying to think. I don't know if I can remember the last cub that I was like. I really hope we just have this guy forever Cleveland. We don't have anybody forever even the guy to grow your leftover sheet a lot of our leftovers. I got Kerry wood for like a year rental for like four games or something before he sneezed and got hurt or slipped in a hotel or whatever other ridiculous Louis Gibberish. She had happened. And then you have a guy like Sammy Sosa who you just as soon forget that he ever played uniform. Rank sneezed so carry would slipped in the hot tub and Sosa. Was the the injury with the sneezing. LEAP YEAR COMING UP. And I I keep remembering February. Twenty ninth we lead to a wedding in in Chicago on February twenty-ninth or sitting in the grass with with our friend. We'll call him because that's actually his name with our friend Joff Add a you know. He's heckling Kerry wood warming up in the In the visitors bullpen at the stadium and TEPI. And he's just screams out. Carrie about the hot tubs. This offseason so just just weird stuff and you get mad at that too. Because you know you'd think that they should be dedicated to the team itself. I personally of the opinion that you know stuff happens that hot tub injury and the sneezing injury did not hurt us. I don't think nearly the as bad as a drone injury. Hurt Cleveland Hall that drone injury only forgot about that driver. I've been looking at right but attended deepen by bobbleheads on on Ebay. And there's actually a Trevor Bauer Reno Aces drone bobble Edwards like pitching aging with the drone in his hand. There's another one where he's got the the shake weight looking thing that long stack and he's just shaking it up and down and I don't really even think about how he long stick like the thing that makes the weird Australian thing that makes the weird sounds sounds like rain. What long stay looks like that? Show you during the break but it looks like a double double edged lightsaber. If you don't if you don't mind me nerdy out on the you know the whole star wars. Thank I think all right we got yeah throat you break. You're going to have scores on the other side. My Name's Jeff Rich. You're listening to foul territory on the sports byline gas network and we'll be right back uh-huh you're listening to foul all territory. 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The Brad Marchand head to Persia Rodber joie close with channel it's true splurge trick Brazil over Pantley one-timer showed sets in power. Gipson played it now. Raspy sitting down low for producing. This is his final. Jen Rich is always keeping score here on sports overnight America Evening Jen rich here with your final scores from Wednesday January. The twenty nine thirty breath in January almost February over on the ice in the NHL Category Edmonson ordered three and a shootout. The coyotes fell to the ducks four. Two in Anaheim a steven Stamkos hat-trick helped the lightning. beat the Kings Ford. A to shoe Vancouver Vancouver got a fourth straight win with a five two two defeat of San Jose. The predators rallied back to beat the capitals five to four and Toronto. Verano Top Dallas five to three over on the court in the NBA. The depot return for the Pacers after being out for about a year with an injury. He has won. Three pointer. Tonight happens to be the one of the last second to force overtime. They go on to beat the Bulls won fifteen to one zero six Brooklyn beat Detroit on twenty five to one fifteen gina. The Grizzlies got a fourth straight win. Within one twenty seven to one six defeat of the Knicks San Antonio stops three games scared what they won twenty seven to one twenty win over Utah. The thunder world. Pass the Kings one. Twenty to one hundred and Damian. Lillard had thirty six points in the trailblazers one. Twenty five to one twelve win over the rockets putting up just shy of two hundred points in the last four games. That's a wrap from me. See the jets over there. Shaking his head about unbelievable homerun from Damian Lillard. Welcome back into foul territory. We're talking about the sports that are actually going on. You know we've got a lot of build up to the Super Bowl. We got a lot of off off the field stuff. Obviously in Major League baseball during this Never ending off season. If you're a team had like Jenin I are at least that I don't know about seem I'm head but very big baseball fans counting down the days spring training. It's gotta be I mean we're GONNA have training in in the month February and we're GonNa have take the twenty third ish so yeah we're around twenty five days I think before game start. An pitchers catchers are usually ten days before that that syllabus. We'll start seeing them in about a week and a half. I was going to say a matter of weeks and not many weeks. Science L. pitchers and catchers report. And it's a little unfair. They shouldn't the players it. Shouldn't everybody get there at the same time I was gonna say I guess but aren't most of them just here all the time anyways when it's not the regular season art most of them already already here and there Paradise Valley or Scottsdale or Queen Creek Fountain Hills Mansions while usually find out from the police. Bader who's hanging out in Scottsdale got stale spring training start. WHO's actually around or not? You know the advice as always or Scottsdale professional athletes to stay the heck out of Scottsdale tails seriously go up to desert ridge. You can have some beverages while you stroll the mall up there like there's other places you can go to stay out of Scottsdale stay out of Scottsdale the most celebrities to I think it's just just stay out of Scottsdale. Nothing good happens in Scottsdale especially after ten PM and where do you work work during the day. What sitting in Scottsdale Ninety five all right? So I. I you know. Maybe you should take a little bit of your vice course. You don't end up on the police blotter because you are safely in studio here. And you know you have structure you have the structure of going to a job and then coming back to Phoenix and coming into the studio and and going on the air each and every day you follow her by the way on twitter at general rich but that would require you know if you want any response from. Everyone require times do stuff not your favorite social media. I don't get the whole acting at people. All in replying to things in the tweets and sometimes with the threads you have to go backwards to see what someone's even talking about and it's just like reading a giant long email thread it's like reading like a really crappy regular workday email thread and it's all the kids are doing but yeah no I don't. I don't like twitter okay. That's okay you're on instagram. A girl at a girl of many hats yes. How many do you have I think I'm hovering governor on one thirtieth or thirty thirty Hockey Baseball Minor League Baseball Independent League football football travel hats. You do it you have you. Have you have a have a football team that played in a league. That doesn't even exist so that you know these Pat's which I actually collected the Phoenix Open for free. So I'm actually really glad I invested no money in that. We got that coming up this weekend as well today everything started right. Yeah so Wednesday the la the program on Wednesday. You get the Yeah and then the practice on Tuesday pro-am on Wednesday. They have the whole in one contest. I I'll be honest you know unless I'm there I. It's things like spring training. I'm interested in spring training game when I'm there but not necessarily surly you know. Just just hear about it. I'm not gonNA read up on. You know who did what the whole one contest who did what in the pro-am which is an amateur with a a professional and they're not always you know really overwhelming you get a couple of big celebrities on the amateur side but for the most part it's it's it's a nobody with a golfer. Yeah I mean I was spring training at least glance at the scores. See kind of what's going on but yeah not too much. Death Phoenix Open. Yeah I don't unless I go and I don't even really I guess. Pay attention even when I go in person but I most certainly don't pay attention when I'm not there in prison all right you. It kind of the theme for the segment is Damian. Lillard scored thirty six russell. Westbrook scored thirty nine and in that rockets blazers game. I believe you said that. The Blazers prevailed Mack Games. So that's That's a good thing but this run that Lillard spin on it hasn't necessarily equal victories for the the blazers. I mean you know you go back You know in the loss against Dallas the other night he scores forty seven and they lose by eight The game that he scored sixty one. They won by five The game before that thirty four they lose thirteen another thirty four pointer against a void of loss to Dallas. Assad twice last week and a half year Both Times by eight points ten point winners on the night that he scored fifty against Portland on the twenty six. which was Sunday and out? You know not the high man on the scoresheet but his team won. And that's the most important thing but I think that it really speaks speaks to the prioritization of the individual over the team It doesn't matter if you hit four home runs and your team loses. He's got to win so fun. I mean it's still fun to watch and you'll want to collect individual. Athletes Play Golf. Play tennis with with me on that. Yeah so also Alexander Ovechkin every goal. He scores He's GonNa pass somebody on the all time list when he had like seven people ahead of them all right well yeah he. He passed he passed Eisenman for ninth and put them in a tie with with. What is it six hundred ninety three goals with Mark Messier? These are familiar names. But of course you know the names that you're that you here's you get to the top of the list and whether it's the NBA scoring list in the NHL scoring list. You know the guys who have more goals are going to be the guys that played longer and probably blade more recently because CAN CONDITIONING I. I always speak to my own. recency bias was sports because everything evolves everything gets better. You know maybe not year to year but decade that. Yeah the the athletes of the twenty twenty one one were sitting here hopefully not doing the exact same show in twenty twenty nine when we look look back at this decade that has just begun. You know we're going to look at it and say that the players of this decade were better than the ones that played played from two thousand ten to twenty nineteen. I think that that's just the way it goes. And you're you're in better shape. You're able to play more games in an eighty two game season. Send out what vaccines done over. Over the fifteen years that he's you know that he's played in the. NHL has been really impressive and kind of goes back you know. How many teams does he played for in his career? Just Salon just the one so Chris Jerry played for a couple of teams. The and but I you know I I you know I I got the numbers jury. When we're about the same age I was born in Seventy six hundred seventy eight I got to know him through his nineteen eighty nine trumbull Connecticut Little League team. They beat Chinese Taipei and the Little League world series is politically correct. Because you've heard of Taiwan never heard never all your clothes are made when you were just a little jenny. Okay and who does drop the J.. They were here here but you know they call it Chinese Taipei. Because you don't want you don't want to get those people on that island. It is relatively independent in trouble for not recognizing them is a part of China. The Taipei part of China which she's not worthy What's the what's the latest virus that all the kids are talking about these days? Are you actually. Forget what it's called or do you just want to hear me. Say I just want to hear you say really catchy like I could see how some would be forgivable but it's corona virus so much better than swine flu virus so much better than bird. Flu Bird Flu. West Nile Virus Ozone Disease Security. Civic Zebulon from they're all they're all kind of the same thing they're all just a lot of vomiting. It's just the These are the ones that can sneak past the goalie. I looked at the symptoms them. So the corona virus respiratory really bad fluish instant death. Well it's not no. I don't need to get freaked out about something else. Are we got to throw it through a break year. She's Geno Jeff. It's fall territory at sports overnight America and we'll be right back with backstrom in Carlson. Fires blocked three Alex bottle listening to sports overnight. America the big game is right around the corner and the basketball season is often rolling. And now you can get into the game with our exclusive sports betting partners bet online taught. Ag Sign up today to receive your fifty percent. Welcome bonus on your first deposit and make your bets on your favorite teams every spread every total every winter. 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The International Travel Department right now at low cost airlines eight hundred seven five four four five three one eight hundred seven five four four five three one. That's eight hundred seven five four forty five thirty two decision now clary in the world professional boxing spelled. WBZ Oh that's right. The World Boxing Organization is boxing. Only transparent sanctioning sanctioning body you'll follow the WB L. on facebook or check out their website DUB E. B. O.. Boxing Dot com the WTO. BOSTON DOT com the world boxing. He's eighty the you're hooking into foul territory. Now here's Jennifer all right. Welcome back. Everyone falls territory. We've got the big game coming up this weekend and I gotta ask her At least one of the clashes from tonight's talk up to the show Jiang genders really good job giving us about twenty seconds of teasing the show each and every every night and She liked to be when we talked a little bit about this Colin Kaepernick Gofundme page for a helicopter. That's that's really really important regardless of how you feel about kneeling and everything else or even could the life the life and death of Kobe Bryant as a really really in poor taste. Somebody started this thing to raise five hundred thousand dollars. Whoever started it didn't really have a great idea of how much helicopters cost is five? I put her down enough to cover. I Yeah I I don't even know shop. You know you'd be surprised you'd be surprised they get stuck in traffic. Got One too many times and you start looking at alternative methods of transportation but Thirty thousand dollars short of its five hundred thousand dollars. Those people are willing to give actual the money out of nothing but spite I mean that that's all it comes down to so it kind of was I mean not a serious thing but it was a real thing and You know the subject I and again I'll be the first to say it's all in poor taste and poor taste you know that. The media's he's asking another Los Angeles Basketball player quite letter to happen to share a helicopter pilot. The you know the late. I wish I had his name in front of me but the the the one who perished in the crash on Sunday was also quite Leonard's helicopter pilots so of course you're GONNA ask why Leonard Are you GonNa fly in helicopters again which is just such a dumb question that he wouldn't dignify with a response and I kind of I kind of understand that. That's what I had said last night i. It's it's going too far. These probing questions this digging for stuff but that's a society that we've become now. We have to know everything all the time as soon as possible. All right. Here's just a few things we're GONNA get into Super Bowl. Prop bets here in just a second but just a few of the things. They are a little more. I don't want to say too disturbing. It is disturbing that That everybody was guessing and trying to kill all Kobe's daughters waters and his wife and Rick Fox who was described who friend's father described his girlfriend. He's like he's on the shows that you are. She's a tall handsome of light. Skinned Black Man with no with nice hair and I realize that he's on these Soap Operas Rick Fox is but You know his family had to deal with the news of his death even though that they knew that he was still alive. Because you're going out there and you know just kind of throwing everything at the wall seeing what sticks and if you're right you know it's like Ding Ding Ding Ding. But you know if you're not it's just so oh insensitive and disrespectful at a you know eh reminds me of something humorous that Andy Richter said on late night with Conan. O'Brien these do that Futuristic sketch where it was in the year two thousand which they started in the nineties but they continued on through the two thousand and two thousand six. And you're doing in the year two thousand but they had. They had outlandish predictions and a one of them was in the year two thousand. It is revealed that Elvis not only faked his own death but red red foxes. To and here we are faking. Rick Rick Fox's death and it and it was not a funny thing like it was on like it was on Conan O'Brien talking talking about Elvis being able to fake other people's death speaking of deaths our taking were not killing Mr Peanut after all know and this was of course AH insensitivity to the tragedy evolving Kobe Bryant but wasn't it just insensitive to begin with because somebody was going to die this week. Sonja somebody that somebody cared about was going to die this week. And you know if you gotta talk about killing a fictitious product mask guide. Oh why oh why. Don't you just roll with it. I only care about the commercials during the superbowl. I don't care who's playing. That is the only reason I'm watching the super bowl all is to stuff. My face was stuff I don't need to be eating and watch commercials we are. I mean I'm literally at every second trying to block spoilers from commercials Marshal's because they're all available online. Now why do we even know what commercials are coming back in the day. You just have to wait for the commercials. You didn't. These previews of what was going on. You saw them in. You were excited. I know almost every single commercial. I'm going to see on Sunday. There's almost no point of even watching isn't it. That's a shame and distress in my voice. This this is this is literally the only good part of the Super Bowl and they are destroying second by second by telling US everything beforehand versus everybody. Are you trying to be first being I more so than being right and I'm not just talking about accuracy but I'm just talking about why the entertainment value off the off the table table. Why aren't you spending this much money to air these commercials during the Super Bowl and just gonNA slap it up on your website three days beforehand? Just wait I mean. Obviously it's is GONNA cost money to make the commercial but don't pay for the airtime for just put it on your website. Everyone's already seeing it anyways. Maybe maybe maybe the thought involved with it is is that it's set us and they WanNa take all the fun of our lives. All that of course is it. Dave Chapelle said about pop copy copy and let's face it goes. Yeah why asteroid our customers was respect back and then Chapelle says Apple. That's why that's why. So yeah they don't care about you. The sports don't care about the fads that works. Don't care about the viewers. It's all about what's going to make the money and you know if you can over saturate your product meal maybe it's a few mentions One of the prop bats these pro. You understand these proposition bats. They're a lot more than who wins and who loses it's a it's it's it's comparing. I mentioned the trump trump tweets on Monday versus niners points on Sunday. Who you got that one by the way? Hopefully the niners more word lender points now. I don't know what the Donald Averages in the way of tweets weeds. I don't know if I want. I don't know if I WANNA find out. I've got a blocked. I've had a block since two thousand eleven. I'm not I am not a fan of president of the United States. Just just as a human being it has be before you get into policy or anything else. I just think it's obnoxious I. I always thought he was obnoxious. Going back to the apprentice. I think that You know I I think that he struggles with the truth and I think that is tweeting a you know regardless of political affiliation. I think that it's a beyond immature. And I think that I think that what what happens in the game how we react. Commercials how we react to the to the Super Bowl Whether or not the the team that wins is going to accept a White House visit I I think all of those. I think that the game itself would very much affect How how much tweets? Now San Francisco is a relatively liberal place so I would think that he's not not going to be a fan of a California team because he's not going to carry it to California in two thousand twenty anymore than carried it in twenty sixteen so you know these are the Pats San Francisco. I would say that they're going to score more points than the Donald will we will. We have thirteen to three Game last year. I think if it's if it's a low scoring game that they're very much in danger of being bested by at. I don't even know what it is. I think it's at Real Donald J trump. I have we don't like through. I don't even tweet so I don't twitter so I don't even know I think Scott's with a up behind the glass there about shunning the twitter don't get it and I just watching people fight on it and It's just another medium for people to be pompous name. College other all right. So let's start with commercials They say how many commercials will air. That's something that you can bet on. I don't know I don't have any idea. How many commercials aired during the course of a normal game but I would say that you probably double it with the Super Bowl? Yeah I would imagine so but remember number you got some of the little local ones that sneak in there too and then. TV teasers for TV shows so in terms of brand new commercials or total count commercials total cow. Now I've got a seventy five so I'm one hundred sixty eight. Murray these down two hundred sixty eight. And you said what seventy five four minute commercial breaks thirty second segments. Someone were some people go big. They do minute minute. And a half long commercials and that's tired movies. Yeah Yeah you know. They're small productions or like hype Williams car commercials like the but. Yeah you'RE GONNA end up getting like a minute and a half long cart commercial at some point in the commercial breaks longer but you have to take into account longer commercials. Don't add to the quantity. It's just you know the the the probably a little bit more memorable. They they have more of a story to tell I I liked Chris. Pratt like you get excited for the MICHELOB. Commercial shows up and he's going to be an extra i. I thought that was a Coal commercial they also have on here Will we see Betty White and a snickers commercial specific. This does take time Just moving on. I think that we've been there done that. We're both on the same page as can be in no all right before the game. We have the national anthem. Which Joe because there's Certain players not playing for the forty niners anymore shouldn't be anywhere near controversial it's going to be Demi lovato singing the national anthem Let's start off. This is We have we have three here first of all the color of her microphone. And you'RE GONNA go with gray. I'M GONNA go with black all worried. We'll she miss any words in the national anthem. No and I'm with you to wait. Yeah I think that that's that's kind of a rank amateur thing and I don't see how she in a clean phase right now Demi Levato. I don't know anything about Debbie Levada. I I wouldn't be able to pick out of a lineup. We watched her shoes on glee when we watch glee fifteen years ago remember. It's very private. That is that is that is something that we did in confidence. Jed that only happened because a super bowl super bowl and and it ended in Glee came on. And that's how we ended up. That's it was like one of the first two seasons when it was actually funny but no. You've seen her before. It was a very football themed episode. Would you know yeah. You know who she was but she doesn't. She has some issues she struggles with and I think if she's a clean phase right now l.. Getting things together then. Yeah no we got a good performance. The ads would be a little bit higher. I mean a little bit more of a payout. If you bet on the her missing words all right how about the time. The length of the L. from I note to home of the brave she I feel like she is somebody who does stretch out the for like way longer than necessary. Okay over under two minutes over the under. Oh I'm wrong just to just to propose that Should get it done in about I'm GonNa See Ninety eight seconds. Okay you're good with that but you're going to go one hundred twenty or higher. Yeah I'm GonNa go on one twenty one twenty six since two. WHOA sex in the In terms of seconds and minutes are halftime. were running. Out of time here will Jaylo and Shakira Sing in Spanish during the halftime halftime. Show in Miami like an entire song or just at any point in general any point. Yes yes both of them. Will we see Ricky Martin onstage. Will we see things. We're not supposed to know. I think it's two thousand anymore. I don't think it's nine hundred ninety nine so we are not going join just raising eight hundred children or something. I secretly been sneaking off at following the life in times of Ricky. Martin I I have no idea are some of these were just GonNa go lightning round Will a player be arrested in Miami after the game. Oh absolutely coronal. No no fan. On the field maybe someone after Shakira Jaylo but not during football play. All right. We'll bring isn't he already like probably crafted a half and half Jersey of each team. Are We going to see Colin Kaepernick mentioned or. Are we going to hear his shots. How about Tom Brady? Just get it right. I anticipate estimate at least forty times of and as you know to- Brady's play today for four hundred years. Joe Book Blah Blah Blah in Troy Aikman call for the game. We'll the winning team be invited to the White House. I think started to hit super bowl just during the course of this conversation. All My of accomplishment Kansas City San Francisco. All right we gotta throw to break I want your MVP prediction on the other side. She's General Jeff. Get sports overnight. America's America's fault territory and. We'll be right back in your sports overnight America America we got one more to go out there and try to win it for you guys. And that's all we got. We Love You patriots. Take it has been said that everyone has a book in them. But do you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up if some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you want to leave an autobiography for your family. 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I understand that It's going to be Directional Illinois one way or the other for you what's your MVP pickier for you. A little bit biased. Because I want to and I you so no disrespect to Sui issue but Jimmy Husky. Thirty thousand are front for for plus thirty thousand one hundred dollars one hundred thirty thousand on Jimmy Ward is the MVP to seventy one hundred. Seventy five four Jimmy Garoppolo. What's on TV tomorrow night? We are going to watch nuggets at Jazz battle for western Western Conference both Thirty two and fifteen and that one at Seven thirty Pacific I believe on TNT. Alright so she's Jen. I'm jeff this has been foul territory. Awed sports overnight America now stay tuned for more sports coming your way next hour on the sports byline broadcast network DOC. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty four seven over. 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Some of those restrictions have been slowly lifted as while makes a comeback in the popular lake. I'm I'm Mike Clifford for public news service. We are member endless ter- supported and Ron Line at public service DOT. Org All right everybody. Welcome across the country with does. She's I'm jeff rich topic for discussion on this particular. Our of these sports overnight America Block is the Game Amo Baseball. You know our live hours called foul territory. So let's pay a little bit of homage to that and we'll baseball shows from time to time. John and I will discuss personal experiences as well as taking in the In the big games you know the all star game the regular either season games. We spent a lot of time at the CACTUS League Games in the month of March and follow the Games Minor League Baseball or all over college baseball ball. You name it if we have access to it or watching it and I with that being said You know we're going to kind of have a different type of show We're a play a little game. Play a little game. 'cause Games are fun you know. We play those during the live. Our we play those during the these podcasts style. Type of hours where We just focus on one subject. Don't want the days events dictate. Were going to speak on and with that being said January toxin baseball with me. I am very ready to talk some baseball. Because it's not around the time that we usually talk about baseball. All baseball is going to be a focal point for us here on the program and I wanNA talk about it. I'm GonNa Kinda interview you if you will. And I'll share personal experiences as as I asked the questions and We'll get into just just you know I want what baseball was to a child with. Baseball is to now and I play a little trivia game which is always fun. You look like games right right. I love the game. 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All right everybody welcome back. We are out of bounds. Chuck rich here with you from Phoenix Arizona. I'm joined by my wife. Jan Rich and we are big baseball fans and we promise that we're going to discussed the game of baseball this hour. That's exactly what we're going to do you don't I will talk about it General Jeff ill no you know our little world of baseball admiral. We'll share that out there with them and you know I'm just GonNa Start Right at the beginning. Did you play baseball growing up John now not any kind of city leagues or school leagues or anything. We did I don't think kids do this anymore. Like the pickup games of baseball down at the local in a movie about that had a big dog it and James Earl Jones and some lifeguard doing CPR. That wasn't actually drowning. Yeah we actually. I don't think We had a beach at the lake. But I don't think there was a lifeguard and we didn't have giant be stock. We had an angry farmer with a shotgun. So did you play on actual grass or originally on black regular just. It was the city park. I'm in so it was also the skin feels you played regulations. Their regular baseball. The city is that's up cap very well. I don't think there was fences or probably lines or maybe not even basis most of the time. I'll tell you what summer days for me. Were playing baseball in the cul de sac. Pretty much soon as everybody was up which was realistically probably about nine. AM So we're probably out there during what would be the school day During the regular part of the year we had this little cul de sac that with the L. is probably vases about sixty feet apart. We played with the time we played tennis balls in the street. And you know so. We didn't break windows or anything. We very rarely hit the house. And in at my Mother's childhood at my child at home which is where my mother's still resides back in northeast. Ohio I played little league at every level. You know they actually called our youngest level of little league they call it the Little Indians and I figure that it was probably less racist racist more paying homage to the Big League club that we had there. Not Too far away from the suburban Cleveland where I grew up in an actual Cleveland and You know the coaches pitch is to us for one year and the kids pitched and eventually got to stealing bases and You know by the time you were what thirteen or fourteen year already playing at the same dimensions as Major League Baseball and then before you know before I knew it was playing high school baseball. I really enjoyed it as as it became more competitive. I think it came a little bit less fun because they became less game and and more of a status. When you when you're an adolescent boy? I know that you are girl. Of course if you did know adolescent boys and you knew adolescent boys that played baseball your adolescence. Now I never stopped two points. Cookies boy's head cuties but it all seriousness. How much of your time? How much of your teenage years did you spend baseball fields? It was a lot in highschool dated a couple of guys I played for High School for the city. I think actually on the Kaaba League too so I think there was one summer when there was like three three different leagues. So there's a lot of time it's a it's a job following. You're following days in baseball for a while. Because they just got kind of tired of going to baseball all the time it was seven years ago we were buying season tickets for the Arizona diamondbacks and we looked at the abbreviated. Package is the thinking being eighty. One Games in Phoenix. Summer is just a whole heck of a lot of games and even our sales rep said you know I have to be here and not only is the job but it feels like a job. Even though he's at the Ballpark I mean it is. It's effort you gotta you know either. Take the Light Rail and then you're walking to and from the Stadium Liam in an out Sitting and seats. That aren't exactly comfortable to sit in eighty-one times a year for who knows how long diamondbacks a tendency to run long long in their baseball games. So they're never they're never short abbreviated games. And then you know you've got to get out of there and get home and no it. Does it gets kind of taxing Singh after a bit and I can understand that in even people that sell the tickets can certainly understand if you only want to go to the forty or twenty the eight or ten games because you're inside the whole time like one of the best things about baseball is being outside. I would take it a step further for their own elaborate on that a little bit. I did It's a lot more enjoyable when the atmosphere is good when the When every filled around you there's a there's a stark contrast ask between going to a diamondbacks game on Thursday night in late July when they're out of it and going to a playoff game or a world series game which they haven't had here in Phoenix since two thousand one so I I like the atmosphere I like it being loud like people being into it and that's the tough? That's a tough this thing in Phoenix. And I'm sure that there's other sunbelt cities that experience this Jen. Is that you you know. You don't necessarily root for the home team just because you're at the game. We don't see that not as much away from Phoenix but we certainly see it at chase. Field the games now when you watch them when you see the cubs on TV or even when you're listening to them in the radio and on the radio and TV is is inaccessible and you know it doesn't take you back home a little bit when you get to watch. Listen to your favorite team. I'm from ECHO does and you've experienced the games at Wrigley not Under any of the other stadiums that we have into your just being too nice. You'd be a way to dice as they tell us. Tell everybody that gives regular one thing and everywhere else. It socks guide of wise like it's just a different atmosphere there and then in May we sat right right behind home plate which broke me. I think forever in terms of baseball. Nothing's going to be as good as is that afternoon was because those tickets are cheap because the cubs her her kind of that Yuppie team that people are willing to pay two hundred dollars to skip work on a Thursday afternoon and go to the game. I absolutely throwdown for those seats that we had again. I would absolutely those again now. It's funny because it gives them. I don't WanNa say I give kids looks but I feel that there's Some failure on the part of the parents see kids in Phoenix wearing Yankee stuff in wearing steelers stuff and keep a baseball wearing wearing that of the red sox the Tigers. And they're you know they're not from there and their families not from there and it's just that they liked the logo and really unforgiving and then I do a little bit of a flashback in my own head here. You've seen pictures you've seen the Notre Dame so I cheered. You see me in Chicago Bulls Fan. I was a kid that followed everything anything and I wore the stuff that beyond the home team and you know I was reading a common fraud facebook Rome one of my childhood friends about about how. You're the starter Jack Generation and you know that there were Michigan jackets or Notre Dame Jackets Texas Oklahoma jackets. But how guys jackets until they won the national championship in two thousand. When I was already long gone from there looks like candy? Canes Color Block it would have been like a giant candy cane. I'll wear the the scarlet and gray of Ohio state but it was. It was everything it was. It was all kinds of San Jose. Sharks jackets it and the sharks. I remember when I'm not that far behind you. The sharks in the Marlins came out about the same time. And they've they've brought this deal that we only saw with the Miami Dolphins to the forefront brought and I'm going to tell you I I had I had a Florida Marlins Duffel bag book bag when I was in middle school so around ninety three ninety. Four oh I jumped on the marlins take on the Marlins when they first came out just because I liked the colors and we actually went to as a family a cubs marlins game and naturally wore Marlin stuff and a nice little pop. Pop Up came out too. Well I guess it would have been home. Run came out to the bleachers. We were sitting and uncle. Scott wouldn't let me have it because I was wearing Marlin stuff. Hey Hey I'll I'll see you love baseball but to cycle back to your kids wearing different team jerseys from the city that they live in what I have discovered over it from having friends who have children is that sometime if they played little league a lot of the little leagues are they use a lot of the the big league kind of I. Maybe there the Yankees the Arcadia Yankees or some crap. I don't know a true story. My friend Georgia. You know up up played for the cubs in the mortgage a little league and You know we've even talked about it. Sets the Indians comes world series. You know we. We both liked the cubs our entire life. So you know we had to put it on the back burner of course because of Interesting interesting fled trump our fandom for the cops but I it's out there it's planned for that that that team the little league that has a major league counterpart and it. It's Kinda cool. I like cities that didn't do that. 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Our Gen Rich Jeffries here with us in Phoenix Arizona to talk a little bit about our backgrounds or a little league and beal our emphasis maybe justification for sometimes maybe not Rooting for the team. That the a status quo dictates that you do. I was wanted. The Indians were a little bit a little bit cheesy with the big smiling. Chief Wahoo You know and it's always been their logo even though it wasn't on on their hands for a long time it was always kind of their logo. And now that it's gone. I really don't Miss It. I don't know if that's really here nor there. Any any real feelings on the the chief Wahoo thing wasn't the best of logos and I think there's a lot of other things to get upset about than you know. Now that the offensive nature of it does Sport Team Logos I. I think there's other fights to fight but it wasn't. It was not a great logo. Let's just put but at this way a you know it's gone the the fighting the infighting should go away the people that only show up on opening day and for the playoffs to talk about out. How wrong it is all of that? You Go away and you know. JUST STAY IN CLEVELAND. We've been to diamondbacks games here in Phoenix Axworthy Indians Ryan town and they were out protesting even here. It is what it is. I don't know they they won. I'm not necessarily surly saying that. It's an awesome thing but the people that were unhappy with it. They got their way. CLEVELAND GOT THEIR ALL STAR Game. which was you know? Supposedly the ransom held over there. Glad to get rid of it. But that's not really where I'm going here. It's just you know baseball discussions baseball discussions and all is fair in love and baseball as I've said in the past What am I talk about? Is You know we've been to seventeen of the thirty current parks for twenty twenty. We lose the globe. Life Park market or the Ballpark at Arlington. Because that is no longer with the Texas Rangers Current Ballpark. So we've seen plenty of big league. Stadiums were a little a a little later in the portfolio on Minor League Baseball Games. So we've we've seen Aa in Texas and we've seen AAA league games in New Mexico in Washington and in the state of Nevada. We've been we've been out of the Minor League ballpark in Las Vegas. The old one but not new on so and of course we've been to fall league We've been to Spring Training Games Really not a lot of the other alternative is we've seen all of the division programs in Phoenix. That'd be Grand Canyon University of Arizona and of course Arizona State and there's states played in a couple of venues since you and I've been privy to their program. They used to play Packers Stadium Right on-campus they date. It seemed like they renovated it around twenty twelve or thirteen year old. They built the They built like the indoor area that you know we weren't privileged enough to answer are at the on Campus Stadium and then poof. They were gone and they moved into the Phoenix Municipal Stadium which used to be the spring training home of the Oakland as they may. I do not know when they renovated that stadium that the as would be moving because I think at that point it wasn't even sure that the cubs were gonNA stay in Mesa that's on the cubs are making a stink about possibly possibly not being a mason anymore right and there was a controversy that Arizona State was gonNA try to share facilities with the cobs but the cubs weren't gonNA give them you know autonomy on it. They weren't going to be trusted with the shared ballpark. It was gonna be the cubs ballpark with GONNA ask. You was basically going to be their tenant. I think that that's why it never came to be but things opened up when the cubs built their Taj Mahal. Right there on the Tempe Mesa border in Arizona here and and then that opened up their old ballpark which it was. It was fine. It was a dump. No it was. It was as you know. Obviously there are a big name club. I can see at that point. They hadn't been winning like anything. We'll Wrigley was a dump to Ripley's just recently been renovated but it wasn't dad so I I was disappointed with the stink that they were making about it to pull out that We're GONNA leave if we don't get a new stadium. Oh that's right. They were threatening to Sarasota. Oh Oh gosh. They were being absolutely ridiculous. Spring training the politics is spring training. I can't believe that the it was like stupid stuff. It was like the weight room and like food. I think you have bazillions of dollars. Go to the village like every rich person in Arizona. Eat At chop shop and get your fifteen dollars salads like like everybody else hired. You're name dropping. The local plants air missiles all over Phoenix. So we enjoy spring training. Though we've been to we've been every park in the valley Tucson the kind of kind of stopped having spring training before we were able to get down there and check out the Tucson Electric Park of course the Colorado rockies up until they moved to salt revealed. You know I want to say around twenty twelve or twenty thirteen You were they would share with the diamondbacks who abandoned their Tucson. Electric Park facility to come to the to the to the valley in the white socks were down in Tucson too. I think that they shared the the nicer new park with the diamondbacks dollar before they moved to Glendale so we didn't see that boat. We've seen the rangers and the royals in surprise. Maybe not on the same day.

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Vincent Schiraldi on Youth Justice

PEN America Works of Justice

31:07 min | 1 year ago

Vincent Schiraldi on Youth Justice

"It's a disaster right now and everybody's really concerned about putting a kid into that disaster. We should always been concerned about putting that kid into that disaster not just now because they might get covert nineteen but owens because they might get beaten up. They might get raped. Their chances of success apartment lease go down and because it's dramatic racially and ethnically disparate though should have been are concerned every single day and now we add to that pile depend so all fired good idea before and we don't want to get back to that listening to works of. Justice against on any given day in the US nearly sixty thousand youth under the age of eighteen are incarcerated in both jails in prisons is covert nineteen continues to spread through the criminal. Justice system advocates are calling for the release of more minors in detention to learn more about the particular challenges. Covert nineteen poses for incarcerated youth. My fellow intern at Penn. America's prison injustice rating program. Liz Fury called up one of the strongest leading advocate in juvenile justice field. Vincent Trolley Benson is currently a senior research scientist at Columbia's School of social work in Director of Columbia Justice Lab. History in the field is expansive and impressive. Vincent founded the policy think-tank the Justice Policy Institute and even worked in government is director of juvenile corrections in Washington. Dc then as commissioner of the New York City Department probation where he pioneered effort to community based alternatives to incarceration in New York City in Washington DC. Most recently Schiraldi served as senior adviser to the New York. City mayor's Office of Criminal Justice. All of this history has gained Vincent a national reputation as a fearless reformer. Listen the opportunity to ask him about. America's youth incarceration problem in how this pandemic is further exposing it. They also talked about ways to support incarcerated youth by getting involved in advocacy efforts. My name is Keith Camel. I've been joining us for the last few weeks but I'm happy to turn the conversation over. Liz bringing her brilliant thoughtful in hard work behind the scenes. This past month the forefront. We're glad you're joining us again. For Penn America's New Rock Response Series Temperature Check Covey nineteen behind bars. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm joined by Vincent. I'm so glad we could sit down and talk about justice involve youth Start off with some questions and I could imagine as we talk. Maybe we'll get into some side tangents about things we're really passionate about. I know I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT YOUTH. Just having worked in it just for like a year and it really made me realize how important working with youth is for an overall a holistic view including like in schools and like. I'm sure you know about the school to Prison Pipeline. And all that stuff like that so I'm really interested in youth particularly youth justice. I know you are as well so I think like a good starting question would be I know that you were involved in The do see and working as a director. So then you transitioned into academia Do you WanNa talk a little bit about like how you started off with your career where you are now like what led you to wear. Yeah and I want to. I want to start by dedicating this to a friend and colleague who passed away this week. His name was pulled a mural in in the sixties and Seventies. Paul worked with a mentor of mine. Jerry Miller and they closed every juvenile facility in a state of Massachusetts during a about a two year period Sent allocates home except sixty kids. Total into thirty bed facilities were in small facilities. So it's really the first kind of major institutional has ation of juvenile's in American. Paul was a mentor of Mine and stuck with me all these years and helped me out when I ran youth corrections myself So I just want to dedicate this to him. I actually started working in a group home when I was an undergraduate at Binghamton statement of versity in upstate New York and then her Jerry Miller who just mentioned speak about closing prisons down in Massachusetts and I went to work for Jerry. I sort of chased him out of the classroom. I was enthralled by it. This was nineteen eighty-one probably and So I I You know so. That's early days. Really of mass incarceration and think probably mid to late seventies is when most people say mass incarceration started and grew every year between men in two thousand nine so Heard Jerry talk about how he was able to let all the kids out of these institutions provide them with kind of services and supports and I said okay. This is what I WANNA do until I worked for nonprofits from them from one thousand nine hundred eighty one all the way till two thousand five and I never really thought I was going to go into government But then the juvenile justice agency in Washington. Dc was under a court order was litigation over terrible horrible conditions staff beating the kids up sexually assaulting the kids rats and cockroaches crawling on the kids at night. Awful awful awful hair-raising stuff and surprisingly because I was a big critic of it is my nonprofit organization Justice Policy Institute. The mayor offered me job to run the place that so's one of those. Put your money where your mouth is moments and I decided to do it on. So you briefly. Talked About Your own nonprofit. Do you WanNa talk a little bit about that and why you started and what it does today actually started to nonprofits. One is called the center on juvenile and criminal justice. That's in San Francisco and that provided a combination of direct services in advocacy in research. So We'd put out these kind of high impact studies showing racial discrimination in the system war. How much more money? We're spending on prisons than higher education. You know things like that and we also providing direct services some of which were funded by the government so that became a problem because the government was not very happy about criticizing somebody who was funding and so I split off and created the Justice Policy Institute in Washington. Dc and back then it was not easy to get foundation money to do advocacy around criminal. Justice work nobody is wasn't this groundswell of both had the kids at formerly incarcerated people in philanthropy. There's the pickens. Were very slim if you wanted to be an advocate only and so you know that's fine. That's what we sign up for this in his field But that's what the Justice Policy Institute was and it still local still around but the Justice Policy Institute never provide any services because it wanted to be able to say whatever it wanted to be able to say without worrying. This governor that corrections administrator was going to enact reprisals You also touched on a reason why you got into the dot is because you were so knowledgeable about the harsh living conditions of prisons and jails. And I think that especially with everything going on right now. With covert in the spreading that has led to a lot of reforms in terms of like releases of people How do you think that Cova in particular is affecting youth detention because detention is obviously a little bit different than adult presence? Do you think that there's like a unique factor in youth detention how it's being affected during covert you know? I think it's I think it's a similar nightmare in a lot of ways to the adult system with with a couple of variations. But I think they're they're they share a lot more than they don't share on you know when when the pandemic started to become obvious I got together with a bunch of current and former youth correctional administrators and we issued a statement saying reduced the number of people. You're locking up. Close the front door And you know. Create a covert plan. There were many more elements to it there but that was basically it also provide support to families when their kids come home and we issued that and the reason we should is because every one of us the first thing you do you have a rumblings places you start imagining what's GonNa Happen. And here's the way it's GonNa play out is playing out in several places. The virus enters your system. Somehow someway somehow some way through staff through kid comes in the family member through maiden staff you know however and everybody starts to freak out staff start. Get SICK or call in sick. Because they're afraid of getting sick or because family members is sick. And now you've got an order thin staffing compliment. That gets thinner programs get closed down. Because you don't want people coming into might be sick. School gets closed. Visitation gets closed. Volunteers get closed so now. The kids are already in a stressful situation. Because they're Ori- in a juvenile correctional system in America so let's just every day starts stressful and now you up to stress many fault and you have to make this decision. Do I lock the kids down? Or do I let him out into a congregate setting where there is no frigging way. They're gonNA stay six feet away from each other and there's no way might staff who already didn't keep this place. Hygienic before this are GONNA clean it enough. And so that's the situation that person after person after person finds themselves in so that's kind of issued that statement somewhat early on was what we were trying to say. Is You know the doctor did the head physician at rikers island. Dr McDonald said a storm is coming. We need to get ready for right. That was his that was his sort of clarion call. Today it was a beautiful way of putting it and so I got to thinking about storms when it coming. What do you tell your citizenry? Get out there. Now get the plywood up in the hammer nails in board up the windows. You don't say wait till the wind is blowing one hundred miles an hour and then get the boards at hammer nails out. And that's what we're trying to say to. Juvenile correctional administrators politicians the governors mayors county council. Prepare for this now. Bar a bunch of people from coming into the city and released them anybody on a misdemeanor. Anybody on a probation violation anybody's got thirty. Sixty ninety days left to serve on her sentence. Get them the hell out of there. Nothing's going to happen next. Ninety days in your juvenile correctional facility. That is going to change the life of this young person except navy getting coded so get them out of your facility right now in big numbers. Don't do a bunch of individualized Blah Blah Blah. Which is what everybody always wants to do. And then with whoever's left do the individualized plan because yes we get. Some of the kids will be in your view too dangerous to release but not the misdemeanor. It's not the probation. Violators not the kids to fail the program. Not The kids that are coming out in ninety days anyway all of them pretty much or not too dangerous for you to be worrying about so get them out of your facility and then start to take a very careful look at anybody who's left especially anybody with asthma. Honsik kids in my facility had asthma and we know that having asthma mixed the symptoms of covert worse or any of the medically vulnerable kids very carefully. Start looking at them. Very carefully stuck to release plans with prosecutors judges people But step one is get big numbers out so in terms of the kids. That are released Have you or people you know organizations that you know of? Have there been any like solid aftercare programs because I know in talking to Some people I was connected with at my previous job which is the Youth Justice Center in Staten Island That the kids being released from Like horizons or other detention centers. That normally in after care plan takes quite a bit a while to plan like six months prior to release you. Start thinking about after care. Plans like what's going to go on Do you know anything about either. Your nonprofit or other people that are Helping with this kind of relief. I've heard that there are a bunch of groups actually have gotten together on this and that a lot of youth correctional administrators are starting to sorta amp up their release planning We should all been doing this. The first day to kit arrived the first aid kit rhyme. You should start thinking okay. Six months from now nine months from now we have this Gig go. What's that GONNA look like? What kind of after care plan will ever be so shame on you? If you already haven't been doing that but one of the things I've been thinking is you know we're all wishing life was back to normal. I wish I was sitting in a room with you. Do in this interview. I wish I could go to a bar tonight. I wish I could go to a game right and which kids could go back to school but there are some places where we don't want to go back to normal and mass incarceration is one of them. We don't want to fill these facilities backup. We don't WanNa do Lousy aftercare plans for these kids and so we should really be looking at this moment. Not just as an opportunity to keep young people safe but as an opportunity to improve stuff. We should've been improving anyway. It's a disaster right now and everybody's really concerned about putting a kid into that disaster. We should have always been concerned about putting that kid into that disaster. Not just now because they might get covered nineteen but always because they might get beaten up they might get raped their chances of success upon release go down and because it's dramatically racially ethnically disparate does should have been our concerns every single day. And now we add to that pile the pandemic so this was all fired. Good idea before and we don't want to get back to normal right and I think what you're saying is like a percent accurate really hitting the money on that one where like I hate that. It took a pandemic for people to Kinda be at this level of like a quick reaction for reform. Like mass incarceration like you said was starting to be prominent in the sixties and Seventies. Shame that it took so long to get to this point but at the same time it's kind of like this was kind of like a kick out the door to you know. Start this type of stuff. How do you think that this pandemic is affecting the court systems in terms of youth and their timelines? Like obviously kids. That are released. We hope that there's no re-offending in that their time in the court system is done. What about kids? That are still in youth detention or that. Were you know on probation or whatever. How do you think it's affecting their court time line yet? It's different different places so some courts have shut down so if you were detained you might be just stuck sitting there. Other courts have sort of done rocket dockets where they all get on the computer. They they resolve a bunch of cases consensually so some kids might be moving more quickly but again it's something that needs to be looked at not just now but going into the future if we could move this kid's case quickly to get them out of detention when there was an emergency. Why can't we do it all the time? 'cause if it's my kid it's always an emergency right of course and how do you think that would kind of be implemented like? I know it's great to say all these things that we wish would be done. But how do you think from your government experience? This actually could be done. That kids could be released more often that they could you know. Have the rocket docket. You know all these things that seem so great now and they weren't in place before. How do you think on a like administrative level? This can be pushed to be you know something. That's not just for now but in the future and stays sure so a lot of what? I'm hearing people doing right now. Is Looking to the list of everybody whose incarcerated by the way on the adult and juvenile side both in Taking a look at everybody's circumstances what crime in four with prior record like are they likely to get sick and then Trying to make decisions about who can get out right and so the way. That's typically playing itself out. Is the defense attorneys. Take a look at it. They make motions bring those motions to a special court. A special court is set up to rapidly here that the district attorney's are open to hearing it and are agreeing to more of those than they did in the past. None of that has to go away. You can literally keep that very same process going after depend over in the courts reopen just to have people constantly re looking at the kids in detention and saying who of these kids can go home on. The good news is even that absorbs resources that means a judge of defendant a prosecutor to sit and do that at the same time it's costing about a quarter million dollars a year in most places to put a kid in juvenile detention so if you can close the syllabus or even a wing of a facility you can more than pay for that court and so that's the way we gotta start thinking as we've gotten these numbers down. Casey Foundation and Casey Foundation released a report today showing twenty six percent decline a number kids in detention in sites that responded to a survey they issued right. And that's an a month a one month so if we could get down like that and keep it down like that that has to result in cost savings that can be used not only to finance that process but also to finance programs for these young people at help them when they get out right and I think that's a perfect segue Into my next question so I had worked at a Youth Court where we used restorative justice practices and community based programs to keep kids out of detention centers in out of the court system. And it's it has like as you probably know like away better rate through rehabilitation and things like that than just a being incarcerated. So how do you think that with Cova D- This is going to affect legislation in terms of restorative justice community based programs and things of that nature. Do you think they'll be more prominent? Do you think that Judges will be more open to you. Know like an after school program with a mentor as opposed to being in a group home for a week. You know what I mean. I think this is a really good time for advocates to start asking that exact question so when we emerge from this what are the public policies or two practices we wanNA start urging the legislature to pass and administrators to enact. By the way it's tons of this can be done today. Administratively I when I ran a Washington DC system. I had released power over the kids. I was probation. Commissioner New York and I had the power when kids came to detention to send them home right. Those are powers and nobody needed to pass a bill to allow me to do that stuff so I sent a ton of kids home. So advocate should be looking to legislation. They should also be looking. What can our administrators do within their current power to keep these facilities with a low population? My bed is what's going to happen now is a bunch of people are gonNA retire from your city and state systems. They're scared to death of catching this virus in the facility. Several staff members of died several kids of died. So they're legitimately scared. I'm not putting them down for that. I'd be scared 'cause they're in there with with everybody. There's never enough equipment. All those conditions I described for the kids. Staffers living conditions as well and in going home every night and hugging their husbands and wives in your kids and their work right. So my bet is a lot of people are gonNA leave this field and find other jobs and that might not be a all a bed thing. What we should be saying is don't replace these people replace. These people were restored. Justice programs. Replace these people with mentorship programs that formerly incarcerated people can staff like shift the system from his institution prison based system to a truly community based system where members of the community are cold designing the kinds of things they need to help their kids survive and thrive in their neighborhoods. 'cause trust me. They have way more of a stake in those kids making it in Brownsville. Then the guys and gals working at the correctional facility. Do I think that's a genius idea? I hope people listening to this. Take that into consideration So I think we just have like one or two more questions for you So our program always gets requests for volunteer efforts what our listeners or readers can do to be active in a social justice particularly criminal justice. I know it's kind of hard To volunteer on administration for like legislative level. But I do know of any organizations or even your own that have any volunteer Efforts that people could be a part of an also on the topic of like you're saying community based programs. Do you know of any that you could mention that people could look into and how to get this kind of like we'll going sure Community connections for you. The lebrons is one of my favorites. It's run by Ruben Austria. And he really is trying to push this kind of thing where people were communities figure out the best way of for their kids to stay home. I I liked the youth advocate program. It's gap INC DOT ORG and that is located in Harrisburg Pennsylvania but they have programs all around the country And they just really intensely work with young people to help keep them out of institutions and in communities in back home the arches mentoring program And transformative mentoring in general really very specifically looks to formerly incarcerated people to mentor young people so that they don't you know sort of travel the same path that those of only incarcerated people have traveled in they have been some really good research on it by the Urban Institute that found much lower rates of reconviction for kids that were part of the arches program. So that's kind of cool and then but if you're if you're interested in advocacy to try to Nick System Change Youth. I is bar none the best organizations in the country. It's run by woman. Liz Ryan and they have Worked very carefully and closely with advocates. In I think they're up to nine states now trying to get all of their youth prison closed and Money transferred from the system into the communities youth. I can't remember what they were getting. Mail address is but your school youth. I Yeah I actually before coming onto interview you last week. I was supposed to interview. Liz and I had been excited about that was researching Yada the no kids imprison movement and it seems like a really awesome organization. I'm glad that you mentioned that. I think that's actually. There are email address. Not Think it's actually no kids in prison dot org so you reminded me okay I think we got a lot of insight through this conversation. I'm really excited for our newsletter to come out that we can possibly Plug these organizations for people to follow up with. Click a link sense what they can do to help I guess is there anything else that you would want to say To the people listening at home sometimes I feel like we make this too complicated. In America. We have a really excellent juvenile justice system. That's the juvenile justice system. That kicks into gear every time a white middle class kid gets in trouble and they get in trouble they do. I was one of them and I got in trouble. But all sorts of resources get brought to bear programs staunch advocacy people. Fill the courtroom to try to keep that kid out of a debilitating locked institution because it's felt that kid has a future. That boy girl has a future and we want to build towards that future with the expectation that they're going to mess up when you're young what they're going to get over that they're Gonna. WanNa live a good decent life. They're gonNa WanNa College when we get jobs when they get married and you don't want to mess that up right so so we we don't have to invent something new. We just have to apply that to everybody equally. I don't want the white kids to suffer in the youth. Prisons and leave crappy lives with the black and Latino and native American kids to be able to get the same kind of CAIRN concern that any of us would want for our child if they got in trouble with the law. And so. When you're thinking about Jesus is complicated. What do we do next? It's not complicated. Is what any of US would want to do if I could got in trouble with the law and the rest is frankly details. I think that's really excellent and you're quite honestly genius in my eyes. I know for some people might seem so simple. That like this would be you know. Everyone's train of thought but unfortunately it's not everyone train of thought as I'm sure you've seen working in the system for a long time but I'm thankful that there are people like you vouching for Some positive changes and I appreciate the work that you do. I appreciate you letting US interview today and I think that this is going to be an awesome podcast and yeah just want to say thank you. Thank you for your damn small packages around one street. GotTa Find Out stone. Nobody's Admiral Street by street stone. Learn Open doors reality streets. Don't love nobody which is both a message to the youth in a timely reminders. Stay Hav Open doors is an Arts Justice Initiative on Roosevelt Island base in the long term. Care Facility where many members lip the open doors. Reality Poets are black. Mattino man who use wheelchairs largely due to street violence and who worked to save lives through arth appearing is the reality. Poets members educate young people in underserved communities about the consequences of running the streets. Letting kids know that guns lead. Not only to jailer death but also to life in the chair right now. These artists are living in a long term care facility. Currently being appropriated for cove in nineteen overflow and are forced to be locked in with positive patients. We encourage you to find out more about their work in join the conversation with them on their website open doors and my c Dot Org. This podcast is part of our weekly temperature check series which also includes original reported by currently incarcerated writers and least other journalism and advocacy efforts temperature. Check can be found through a works. Justice portal at Penn Dot Org Slash Works of Justice. This episode was researched and hosted by. Liz Fiore is equipped for myself. He can't on Knicks. Play Robert Pollock and produced by keats. 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10:31 min | 3 months ago

The Yoga Screamer

"So alan has a funny story to tell us that shannon you and i instantly will be able to come up with a name of a person that fits exactly this person that ellen encountered during hot yoga. Okay bad okay. So i was at a yoga class the other day and i specifically go like a studio. I like and go to is very inclusive. They're not like a judgy. Everyone is super flexible. Leg behind the head. people. It's like all ages men and women fifty fifty split so i i like it because i'm not judged. It's very chill. But i was next to this probably fifty five sixty year old guy in hot yoga the other day and he was killing it like he was doing everything. It's one hundred and something degrees in this room. It's a ninety minute class. Like it's intense. But i think it's like normal protocol to be pretty silent during yoga and this man was moaning and groaning and yelling as he got into some physicians and i felt so bad. I was like fine. I kept it together and did that. people in gyms and yoga classes. Read the room and see that. No one else is making all that crazy. I mean like. I said it's a very non judgy yoga class so this guy is probably like struggling. He's like this. Is the one place i won't be john mccain. You let your body move and make this. Sounds like it was like the bending in half and as he was like lowering his top half he was going compliment to the chef. Though like great job like you doing good and this is the noise maker no chef in this the yoga instructor every time. It's like a cycle. So i mean i. It's better than the noises that came out of all smells still unwritten. Rule that you you don't react if someone makes a sound or farts in the middle of yoga allies. It's one hundred and rule of like you don't react that's the only place i know where i farted. Loudly and people didn't giggle. I swear to god. I'm like these guys are the greatest. If i went to school with these guys i would never been so self conscious. But channing reason why we say we can relate to. This is because we went through a period on the show. Where at twelve thirty. Every day i would meet my wife shannon would It would also be their sales department people here right. Kelly area and we would go to rain as classes or whoever center for yoga. Whatever and fletch would be there and fletch was the loud guy at yoga. Do yoga with him was so disruptive that he would do it like like would let out these size. That look shook though room and he would also make commentary to write your radio show. If he didn't like the song he would go next of yoga or if he didn't like the flow he would go. What is this. let's grab. He was funny. He was legitimate surprising. I oh oh excuse okay very good at. You'll know. I know you got a big thing going on right now. What's up buddy the real quick. We're talking about you in the yoga classes and how you were the loud guy at yoga. That was not the loud guy yoga. You were not the loud guy yoga. What happened when you didn't like the music that rain was playing yell yell at raina. Because i'm like well it's the same thing over and over again. He would. You play that. Bruce springsteen song twelve times and then one time you actually got up and grabbed her madden walked out by the way has a new yoga. Place called the yoga gardens on a plug that she's really awesome lady like She asked us not to tell you this but flash the other thing too you you occasionally would do the host to do. I think a lot of a lot of people are timid. And don't really want to do it but you did. Do you want to get back into the yoga days again. Do you wanna do that. No i can't my shoulders all screwed up. God i love you to help. I really do. I love doing because you have to lift yourself up like fletch would actually do the thing where you could actually put your like knees down. And then you'd like balance on your knees. Your must be an amazing lover. The logic of hockey to are you. Are you an amazing lover in bed. I have any witnesses. Do we have any references. We could call. Hey hey can we do this real quick. Can i say something real quick in which your data happy birthday dad is he. Is he around over his house right now does he. Does he know the deal or no. What what laura. Yeah he does work. We listen to a fletch did fletch. Fletch flew his sister in newtown to surprise his dad. Yeah the sweetest thing. Ever put your put your dad on. How happy birthday to me chad. Happy birthday you. Good looking eight year old you've ever eighty years old. There's no way year old in the world. Wow that is lovely children. Oh i've got a big decorations around the house My daughter lives in gainesville. Florida and mike Fletch said opened the front door. And i went to the front door and there she is beautiful fell over. Oh my gosh almost libra. What a shy alumnae shot. And how long has it been since you've seen her. She came here from florida's here. It's been a year and a half that's awesome and a half since we see each. Hr what are you guys doing for your birthday this weekend. You guys going to have ocean. Be an igloo. Like an eskimo. Eskimo glue will have a wonderful dinner at ocean try. I've got eighty year old decorations all or eighty eight You know that you know that flexes at my hill works. He works for quicken loans and he still works everyday. How are you working. Five to six days. A week is that right. I'm working today. Mo jo yeah. Are you really. This guy is still working his tail off man. I love your young. Hey how is their cows that sexy wife of yours doing. How's she doing hard. How that sexy wife of yours doing sexy why you here. She's doing real. Well mama flesh the most beautiful woman town say a lotta my daughter from gainesville doing you so much. You're calling all. I'm doing great. I'm so happy that we were able to pull this off. Because i just wasn't. I wasn't sure that we'd be able to do it. Amazing surprise and listeners are asking if your flight and the ocean prime dinner. All going on fletch moms nordstrom card him a little too well. Delta wouldn't take the nordstrom card. Don't you for that msl. Apart i'm gonna tell you guys. I wish that i could seriously be in the igloo with you guys. Because it's going to be a fun. Night is always says. Well we love you guys so much and you enjoy your dad in in in seriously. Just give that man a huge hug and kiss for us. Okay okay so much thank you for calling bye bye thank you. I appreciate you so much. Hayes is flush gonna take you to the dispensary this weekend. We've already done craig from the airport. I can tell. I love. I love you and i love your family so much. The dispensary right. When she got off the plane passed. Isn't it great that it's not that far from the airport. I gotta shoot. Look like he was like a kid in a candy store. Her eyes just lit up. Like i can't believe we went to the one out by Like jerry miller play the greenhouse. That's awesome that's so cool. Well gosh i love your family. Man i eight. I'm happy we were able to get on the phone. Thanks so much guys. thanks so much for calling. Thanks for members really appreciate it. We'll see seriously that's funny thing is finding. Is you call them on tuesday house. It's unbelievable sarah. What's up what's good mojo in the morning. Hi i feel bad following that also percents but maybe the guy was making all those noises to cover up his certain yoga really smart. If that were the tried to cover some doesn't cover up and then you just coughing attention to yourself. You know usually if i cough hard enough anyway to actually to the cop thank you.

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Late Night Parents

34:45 min | 7 months ago

#NFLDivisionalRound @latenightparent w/ @buccobruce83

"Dance ways the follow show late night. Parents dot com have none other. What last week. At this time. I had two gentlemen in the queue. Tori johnson big t and none other than my brother from another mother. Bucko groups ak will se committing paula. Living happy to be here as we know big vision matchup between the bucks and the saints one of the representative teams is here the other child. Speculate speculating energy wheel into to the cowardice or lack thereof. Whatever i'm here. I'm confident whereas the saints fan. We're we're that this division around has been kind of think we got a little timid nece on his phone is all that talk behind the scenes. All talk on all my good we give back to this I'm not sure what to say here. But buckle is good as always good to see you for weeding family dylan. Blessed be on. I deserve those at not. No i mean every bit of that. When i say the kids are still wide open if they busted in the studio just gotta live with that but Bedtime used to be a nine o'clock thing here. We said nine twenty and still not happening on running hard. Oh we got we got an aq- i mean who got checking it up. We got peter from the have seen peter from the from the community side and i got it. I must tell you have does a great job. That's always fan of the florida. You fan of the format. Gotta tell you big shout. The banner man bannerman is also in the building. This lot of people talking. Nfl tonight. i tell you that much man might patent show. He was giving santa monica postmortem on the tennessee. Titans looking in the game that are predicted to have as much offense as i expected looking with the second quarter. Derrick henry of twelve carries for twenty four yards. Yeah this is gonna work to unexpected haired successful seasons hopefully losing. Arthur smith to likely falcons doesn't hinder their their progress. I mean even get the win. You had to get years and you have something to build upon. Don't be so drug about it. Do you wanna go into you. Want to go into the fact that last week's gains guys were like five or six. No we both miss cleveland and we both missed i. La the rams seattle so out of six game. Who went any guy in vegas in handicapper will take that percentage me personally. I'm a little let down by Let me just say rob burger. Go ahead and anion cleats up of. It's time it's over for. You costs a lot of people living. I bannerman sam. Bills mafia bills mafia did not is important. You made a lot closer than i thought you a lot closer than what. It should have been pretty uncomfortable for a minute But still liberal thing are still expect him to the ground. We'll give her that later. So i guess we can do a quick rundown of last week was it. What team disappointed you the most last week my love for the bucks is rival secondly for hatred for the saints so teams always whomever's planes saints the biggest actual disappointment despite my is has been in those pittsburgh steelers no stat. Guys numbers guys are going to come at me and five hundred yards most completions ever in a playoff game those yards the game threw four touchdowns but anyone that watched the game so that i had first quarter and in specific he was dreadful. Absolutely awful couldn't do anything snap over touchdown out the gate. Pigs guys like m j stewart have not had a good secondary and close to twenty years. Now we're releasing a cornerback. Because he's not an a good sports. Cleveland browns get interceptions. Oh they've been that. That is a huge disappointment. I know pittsburgh steeler nation got to be extremely extremely disappointed but You know bears really sucked mitch. Trubisky is awful fellow. So i wanna throw something out to you and you tell me if this makes sense because i'm a fan you the guru. Okay i would like to see the pittsburgh steelers. And the new york jets conducted trade and saying sam donald to pittsburghers. I don't think anyone's trading for donald especially being this last year was deal coming up right. The jets yes yes. So you're not going to trade much capital guided the contract of one for one. You're not gonna get much return a guy that has been as the an same for two. I'm pretty sure unless been retires. They have to pay that man. Forty one million dollars. And i'm talking. That's if they cut him or otherwise that all that money they're on the hook for is like taurasi bonuses and cat restructuring things that major so's to my knowledge. I'm not a cap expert to my knowledge unless that man retires. They are on the hook for the full forty. Were really to trade for a quarterback who only gonna make somewhere like eight million songs are large numbers. You're not gonna pass fifty million dollars tied up at one position. Especially when you have. I was there deficiencies. They can't run the ball. Were damn that's been shown all year and especially in that playoff game outside of russia passer. Will they really don't do my very good on defense having mentioned fitzpatrick and hilton and some of the guys that have on defense really have been given away too much in the air for my liking so they got some holding field intriguing. Who sam darnold dean. That a wise decision on less been retired. Then they can get some relief in that regard. So if if you're saying hypothetically and you can get donald for say a second round pick absence or even causing woods is unhappy in philly. I've never been sold on wentz either. Because i haven't actually seen doing anything there. One year two thousand eighteen he did. He was was worth twenty eight touchdowns versus two pits the running a touchdown he was on pace to be the league. Mvp record position but outside of that one year. I think it has to do with a statue. Erected of his backup quarterback instead of him. I think mentally skewed the kid. Because he's got the talent he won national to. I was gonna stay. Came in out the gate. The whole bundle tile business as usual types of our liked his swagger confidence after that knee injury and had to nick foles won the super bowl. It seems like his confidence is what retold. Obviously you didn't have the support of his coaching staff. Given the turmoil that happened. And this is for. Doug peterson getting fired. I think there's a guy that would take on carson wentz most reciprocally indianapolis colts this lows. We got a little bit of cat. Moody deal with philip. Nike's warming to kobe. Percents contract i think is up why they have the ability to pay satellite. Give a couple of mid round picks and go get one set of kelly carson wentz and covered the india could be very detailed again so there are some options out. There wouldn't get into that when the season's over this time of year as a bug fan. I'm talking off season but dammit katie. I'm still talking. Play football all right. let's start. Let's little playoff football. Let's run it through Wait before we talk. Playing football helped me out. I hear about this guy. Every other year he's retiring his medical issues he's going into the booth. He's doing this urban. Meyer going to the. Jags are you. A fan of urban meyer or not no plain simple as a florida state fan. Anyone who goes to state of the university of florida. You cannot be a fan of them. Its by laws. It's underwritten our contract Do i respect the man. Absolutely the guy. It's a bowling green to a bowl. Game goes to utah. Had them undefeated may smith number one wanna. Bcs ballgame with them those to florida. You know ron zook. Air they were in twelve four one football team turn limited perennial championship contenders. One to all of a sudden team. Oh an end is all those guys are gone. All of a sudden i think the dude is shady very smart and i think there's no better person to build a winter now if you mon jerry. Ten twelve year. Run into this guy. You're not going to be coming in three years. Coats are good football filled. Your good football team is set up for someone else to come in for a bill. I think it's the perfect set. The guy as a man. no. I respect him. As a football coach tara has eleven draft picks and the guy can handle multiple personalities into the little joke a racist murder a preacher walking into a bar that he was able to handle all of those win championships. So i think the dynamic of the turnover that they're gonna have each hands no canadair to get that program going in the right direction. But i wouldn't expect more than three years all right. Let's let's jump into this. La green bay. I didn't see la vanson last week. Is this going to be a total beatdown. What what's your take on this. No because what. The season has shown us what last week showed us. Their defense is formidable. They all play off caliber nano. Donald got banged up and when it did try to come back in he was not effective at all. So i still take eighty percent amdahl over sam near every defensive player in the lead. So i'm not worried per se above the defense but one thing we seen that hamburg green bay packers as they can be. They can be gained by specific it illegal. Their offense if they can unlike would seattle. They can be patient. Stick to the short games into the screen game. Take the underneath stuff. Take would they give you could beat the. He's not worried about jerry. Both adult jared goff was what forty percent completion seventy yards total. Their offense is not going to move the needle if they can confuse and mess up aaron when they did russell was working. Russell wasn't played. Did you get together. Crafted way back then and this worst ever seen in place. So you have to say that. Iran's defense did at them so we've seen enron when he plays to have defenses. We've seen him. You know kinda. Fold a bit especially in the playoffs here. Dave ramsey locking up. davante adams. Then you got who. Who else are you relying on value. Scaling i'm not a allen lazard show. He's a tough guy but he's not really a matchup. Problem is really going to come down to screen game with aaron jones while tongue in in the same against those linebackers. That is the matter. I think the packers win. But after what i saw last saturday i not surprised it was up to the beat them. Do they cover the spread. The numbers what five and half. Yeah say no. I would take the boys with the rams and i would bet the under heavy heavy heavy younger opening game. You're twenty to thirteen at the most like seventeen thirteen. You know what. I mean it can go of the spray i just don't i don't think they went by touchdown. I think it's more of a few four point game because arranged adrian's is playing it at high. Want to give a big shout out the banham and he's in the queue and he's talking about e has the rams winning donald's a beast he think. La wins tampa wins tampa beats allen. Colleague we get a little ahead of ourselves and that the game will be in crapping. I'm kelly. I'm thinking like you for clarity. That would be a home games so that that would be my ideal scenario but not nothing He stayed also packers. only homefield. Advantage is the cold weather. I mean the majority of their team is is not from their air. Golf southern california kid majority guys they have. Are you know a southern nature but do business playoff football. I don't care if it's twelve degrees hundred and twelve intensities From what i read on the initial weather report is no no expectations of snow. Just going to be cold and one step on trump as those guys. Don't feel that comb your skin a in. I've never been a big proponent of that lesson rain or snow or absolute miserable conditions. there's no fans in the stands. Communications not gonna be a problem. It's just all you toughen up mentally and physically the of the code of dat. No doubt that these these professionals are going to be fully prepared for the next game. Is the ravens at the bills bills. Mafia i wanna before you get started. I stand corrected. I said i was sitting here saying last week. Democratic governor no fans in the stadium Totally wrong. I look at one. But it's like it kinda goes against conventional wisdom if you look around. Only only republican governors are for the most part having fans in the stands. Even some of the problem governors the sensor gray louisiana very red state allowing any to my knowledge. I read a press clipping wounded show. It said that they were pushing for allow up to six thousand fans. Said you guys are gonna have a six thousand writing this misfield and everything. I was no the only only reason. I dismissed you because king cuomo comes out every week and tells you how is going to be a guy was important. He thought he was that we'd be in trouble. Jack was one hell of a football game last week. Those fans who served we do that. I can imagine game to watch very very entertaining first game of the year towards the playoffs. I enjoyed it. I think the bill job on that fumble call at the end of it but it didn't matter leading score newhaven much closer than when needed to be buckle and this week coming up. They're talking about snow in buffalo. And typically if you have a power run game by say. You're tennessee titans running with. They like to run. A snow. game is perfect for you. What the ravens run with. A lot of quick motion arpaio. Quick cutbacks countered of that speed and those quick cuts negated in snowy whitfield. So i actually think this weather gives you the bills change it slows the long game down a little bit because we know that the the bills games that we of their defense there saturday tout very good complete with anybody Baltimore not really looking for baltimore. Beat anyone in the air game but it buffalo can score on defense the way they're capable of scoring and you make the more to pass in this terrible twenty some odd degrees snowy weather. It's gonna be a damn blowout close. But if i give initial prediction on his game on the somewhere twenty seven twenty buffalo to win okay okay. I thought you were going to give a little bit wider i. I could see maybe thirty four twenty three. Or how would i would. I would love to because of the way they score. But when i watched that defense doing derrick henry ryan tannehill defense came to play gotcha. Great came to play in. I doubt very seriously they they. They play lesser this week. You're gonna party play even harder. They're playing back to back weeks to scoring offenses in the whole nfl. So if my understanding watching baltimore divas play. You're gonna see closer game touchdown game. If someone gets thirties. I will be surprised especially in that weather. We jerry miller chiming in jerry. Thanks joining the session. Jerry says bills thirty five seventeen. And that's what on sunday in september right to together a track me and i don't think baltimore can can keep up with the way buffalo scores but again buffalo's defense last week against tennessee and then this last three weeks above baltimore. David's windy windy. Get and talented and playing with. It looked every bit now the six weeks or so prior to that they were. They were dominik. So that's why they put themselves in that position as we're gonna get in. But now they got the mon going. They'd been a playoff move through mixed in any buffalo is have the output. Just like what we saw indy. I had the dog themed third against anyway. Anti being held down the tutorials up. So i'm taking the same amount of points score for buffalo giving the nod do buffalo's defense that they hold raymond's over twenty i you know i'm probably wrong. I'm going to say the least competitive game. This weekend. is cleveland at kansas city. I'm probably gonna be wrong. You're right playing with house. Money brother did they. They ten win season. They wanna playoff game. They had no business. Winning in pittsburgh. hats off to them and their brace they. They deserve every bit of joy that they have right now. But chase claypool. Today it will be short. Lived even though he's a sucker for that they're they're gonna get destroyed mill chance this game honestly date payroll puts up forty two. This is forty two twenty three written all over their head of the brains out on his team. I wanna deviate for a quick second before we get to the premier game of the weekend. So then you see. Eric being amee stand or is he definitely out of there. I mean because this just just just bucko you guru your offense coordinator. You got andy reid the left you got packed my home. Sit right you. You got tons of weapons. Do you sit there and live out this dynasty or step out on your own but the questions. Very simply answering. I'm going to be remembered. The assistant coaches from these dynasties guy it was a cry for manned win. He wants to do it on his own. Take the the to have gotten in the organization. You're gonna pro- taking you build on that and make it your own. So there's no man that said i'm happy to be a coordinator thing i the thing that shocks me with a guy like me even though he has his team still alive so you can't hire them just yet anyway. But the fact that the media doesn't have a lot of traction. O.'neil arthur smith to the falcons. Will you saw urban meyer to to the jags were talking about. The jets are probably already front. Loaded for peterson about the enemy. Being the chargers texans teams that we just interviewed him yesterday. But i'm wondering zanu in bad information out there but to my knowledge three or four years ago so yeah incident domestic violence over someone. I wonder if that will live on. His personal record is causing some ause raising solve twitter so qena face value. I'm not quoting accurate. But i want to say that. There's something prohibiting teams will make that joke. Because he's been there prime to ready for three years. He has gotten the love. I wonder if we're just hyping the guy the nfl teams are interested in. I don't know. But i think it'd be great in houston or san diego. La okay so the game a week. You got the bucks. You got the saints. If i had you know two other guys on here that were saints fans. I would say eight. Because i'm rolling with the bucks on us worn terrier you get this always taking you with me. Get spanked on. I don't know what it was a sunday night or football. Absolutely what words. That team came out. One hundred percent flat injured god when a broken finger and surgery and things of that nature. And i think we're going out of market. Well we had a whole melanoma issues. We were still dealing with inconsistencies. And tonio brown's first game on the field. There was a whole bunch of stuff that went wrong in that game. And we never got our traction. If if saints fans and saints players are beholden to that week nine performance and thinking. That's what they're going to see sunday afternoon. I'm i'm glad because i promise you. This is not the same team. They beat the brakes off of what we gonna come already. Got your back ted. You know the history. No no. he don't know. I'm telling you i go way. Back with bucco bruce and feel like censor a good team. That defense is the doing the lane for raising the plane above their. I don't think there's talented as as as the plane get away with murder. It seemed like every penalty was gonna subversion that game lot of trash talking a lot of taunting and they get a lot of teams to react and get personal fouls against them. they give it to us the bears. They're good at what they do but they're so very beatable in this round is division around as what three or four years in a row now twice you telling me kirk cousins can do it but tom brady. Can't jedi you're grazie We we are clicking applying playing at a level that had never seen a bug team. Play five straight games over thirty points. defense opportunistic. Their plan will to salt on his zone for my liking. But i feel that that changes this week. Two men under a lot of pressure a lot of lot of changing up scheme. You won't see conventional todd bowles zone defense problems so an essence which is saying i mean is we're gonna have green bay tampa bay and buffalo and kansas city next week. I'm hoping betterman. Or whoever was centered. they've got the rams. Well look. I would love nothing more than this easier for you. Then nomin certainly easier points being at home and not being an emmy cold. And aaron rodgers or jared goff. Jerry intrigue aaron rodgers. I mean honestly the way. Our two teams are built we match williams bankers or speed on defense to go along with. Will they try to do. And then our offense line again that that eline. They won't touch brady. I think you'll pick them apart very easily I just don't wanna face again just like our situation with the saints. Beat the brakes off of us. We be about thirty five points When they were undefeated. And you know the god at that point. We picked him off twice and really destroyed them. That's going to resonate in brain and they're gonna come with higher. I don't wanna play the packers. I think we look. We're gonna handle sixty cents. This right here is i. Think teams in the nfc. I think both teams can can win next week. Whoever wins this game. I think is representative. But i'm gonna pick my team. I'm the say we're gonna lose no gonna lose but i'm thinking you know you're peaking very early you saying the divisional round is your is your super bowl on. I think i don't think the rams beat the saints or the bugs with the way that they they have their injuries and the way that they're they're playing right now on offense. I don't think they can score either one just like i don't think they can school with the packers. Have the packers it. I don't think it green bay matched physicality that the saints playing with right now. They're more finesse team. And i think the saints hit him in the mouth doing so. Yeah i think setting these are the two best teams in the nfc right now. All right listen buckle. We did this in just over. thirty minutes. just over I think we did it under. Actually all poaching related questions Really excited for this weekend. i'm really excited to see if big t shows up next week. Because if if the if the saints layer egg thirty one and done you can guarantee if i'm correct and we beat them. Which does what was gonna happen. You won't see tv for a couple of me. I'm accustomed to. There's i'm used to this. But he actually thinks that we have no chance and why he wouldn't come in here. I think he doesn't really believe that. That's a whole chest talk. He's nervous the divisional round. They've laid a every single year. Their regular season team only eighty thousand yard passer. They have one title. They are a gross disappointment to innovate. So i hope that we send her breezy nbc. I'll pack is dan bags lovingly band. So hey so the people that are also in the room. Virtually man man day Jerry miller and there's a few other folks no bene- man. I didn't say brady has no chance. Come on come on radi ted. I'm you have to brady. I mean lifelong jets fan so but you give them that many weapons around him. A lot of weapons man and the key to this game is the newest weapon. Antonio brown i think is the capable the game. Hello mike evans lattimore. Does it really good job. And he's already with the need already. So i really think antonio brown their safeties and linebackers is going to be where we were. We win this game. But i wanna thank you for coming through. Get this done in for under thirty. Five minutes All people in the room also buckle waking. We find you family on twitter or facebook at bucco. Bruce eighty-three altogether. I'm i curse a little bit more on twitter than some people light so you know. Take caution that but they're very approachable debate. Anything or i love this stuff jerry. Bill winner you on next Whenever i want to be whenever ted has me on. I personally don't have my own program made me and toya in talks of having one of those created I love to interact with any you guys and you guys got a show in I follow me on here and tents trying to coach me on this format. I really liked the format like what it can bring. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you bucko you and your family I appreciate the half's community because the people on here like this and we're gonna we're gonna give it a shot you know we'll give this a shot and we'll see how far this takes us but i'm really enjoying it absolutely appreciate your game. It's always a pleasure this time next week. I'll be here this time next week. You have the other sound you for next thursday God bless man. All right man good-looking bucco.

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New Impeachment Transcripts; Election Day Results

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

48:03 min | 1 year ago

New Impeachment Transcripts; Election Day Results

"This message comes from on points sponsor. Indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash. NPR podcast from NPR WBU. Are Boston Meghna Chakrabarti. And this is on point. Big Election Results in Kentucky Mississippi and Virginia. We we'll take a look later this hour at what yesterday's gubernatorial and legislative races say about what might happen in twenty twenty but I. It is only Wednesday and it's already already been another significant week in the impeachment inquiry and joining us now with the latest as Nancy. Cortez chief congressional correspondent for CBS News. Nancy welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me Magna so first of all Today we see that the the number three person in the State Department has shown up to To to testify it tells more about that right. He's one of the only witnesses who is actually appearing this week. Most of the others have been no shows. He's the Under Secretary of state as as you said the number three in the State Department so he would have been privy to some very sensitive conversations with the secretary of state about this controversy and according according to the Associated Press he is telling congressional investigators behind closed doors that the secretary of state and other senior officials when they were Burge to defend the. US Ambassador Marie Ivanovich suddenly yanked out of Ukraine because Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal attorney viewed President peppermint to Getting Ukraine to conduct these investigations into the Biden Biden family that when she was suddenly recalled and it was having a an impact on morale at the State Department They talked about whether to issue some sort of statement of support for her but ultimately decided hi to that it would hurt the effort to free up U. S. military aid to Ukraine in other words Because it was the president who had withheld this military aid in what several witnesses has said have said was a quid pro quo to push Ukraine to announce these investigations. That would help the president politically That they thought that announcing support for her would damage their efforts to try to change the president's mind and get this aid flowing again even without those promises from the Ukrainians to investigate and so Democrats will have a lot of questions for hail about who exactly was in those conversations. What was said Did the Secretary of State himself understand that there was a quid pro quo and all of this of course coming after after we learned that Gordon Sunland the US ambassador to the EU has changed. His testimony was just GonNa ask you about that so so David Hale showing up today again. The number three person the State Department a man as you pointed out Nancy the I this week because the White House The trump administration had basically said it was going to follow a zero cooperation strategy energy. So I mean seeing hale show up to testify was kind of eye opening because of Gordon Sunland Ambassador Sunland Lind's revised testimonies. We ought to call it. I don't know if the two are connected. I do know that Hale is a Is someone who has Served career at the State Department. So he's not necessarily someone who is as closely linked to president trump himself as say Rick Perry the Secretary of Energy. WHO said that? He's not going to be showing up tomorrow or Mick Mulvaney. The president's chief of staff who we're told is probably really not going to show up on Friday And so he signaled a couple of days ago that he would be testifying. But yes that's Onlin addendum to to. His previous testimony was pretty eye opening. He essentially submitted this three page document to Congress on Monday saying That that he does now recall his memory has been jobs and he does now recall that he himself delivered a message to a top. Ukrainian officials saying your aid is not going to be reinstated until you announce these anti-corruption investigations which was kind of code for a announced an investigation allegation into Burris MMA the energy company in Ukraine. That had a hundred Biden. The Vice President Vice President Biden son as is a Sitting on its board. And so the fact that Sunlen did that was kind of a sign that even some of these loyalist to the president and remember or that Gordon Sunland was not a career diplomat. He somebody who was a very successful hotel magnate. He donated a million dollars to the president's inaugural committee and that's part of the reason he was named. US Ambassador to the European Union so he was someone who was To owed this particular role to the president trying to get the president's message across in Ukraine and even he is now saying after multiple witnesses disputed his original testimony that he does now recall this quid pro quo rights just underscore the importance of this. He in this four page sworn statement that he submitted it directly directly contradicts the earlier testimony that he gave to investigators house investigators last month. Where at that time? He said he never thought. There was any precondition on that rite aid originally. He sort of proclaimed ignorance. He said Oh. I didn't even realize what the connection was between Biden and brisman until very very late in the process He sort of portrayed himself as someone who was kind of out of the loop and didn't really understand exactly what was going on. But then you had witness as after witness after witness coming in testifying actually that someone was a one delivering the president's message in some of these meetings and he was even told point blank that he I needed to stop by other top administration officials and so it was clear that he needed to do something. And what was so interesting. Is that a lot of Democrats really held their fire. You had one or two WHO said It looks like he's committed perjury. But by and large most Democrats congratulated deleted him after he changed his testimony that was strategic. Because they want. They don't want to do anything that is going to discourage other individuals from testifying they don't want people to be afraid. That if you come in and testify and you say something that is wrong or true that you might be charged with perjury. They want people to come in and sit down and so they sort of handled him with kid gloves. And now they're you know they're all patting him on the back for coming in and changing his testimony but but to be clear though. Nancy Are Aren't Republican members of Congress Looking perhaps To Kurt volkers testimony. Though in saying that Volcker didn't say there's there's any explicit lissette quid pro quo. Here is that right. That's what they are trying to do but keep in mind that until yesterday they were all pointing to somnolence testimony saying they kept telling us. Look it's on and look what. Look what he said he said no quid pro quo. Well now that's online is saying there was a quid pro quo. Now they're saying Oh sunlen wasn't really involved He was more peripheral peripheral. You have to look at Kurt Volker and I asked Jim Jordan. Who's been one of the president's fiercest defenders just today? We'll wait a minute Kurt Volker or didn't explicitly say there was a quid pro quo but he certainly acknowledged This back and forth that they were having with Ukrainian officials trying to get at them to announce these investigations into Biden Peres MMA And furthermore you have half a dozen other diplomats who did explicitly say that there was a quid pro quo. Why why do you believe him? And not all these other diplomats and he said well you know Volker is very respected. And he's been doing this a long time And I said well everyone all these other other diplomats ahead of the same profile. They're also very experienced an highly respected and he didn't really have an answer for that but You know at the moment what Republicans oh can seem to be hanging their hat on is a the the fact that Volcker one out of the more than a dozen witnesses that we've seen so far didn't explicitly believe there was a quid pro quo and number two The fact that in the president's conversation with the Ukrainian President President that he didn't explicitly say here's my quid pro quo which is sort of a shaky defence. Most people you know if they're about out to do something inappropriate. Say Okay well here we go. I'm going to bribe you now. And here's the bribe That's at least the argument that Democrats are making and they say this is bigger than one phone call. But regarding what ambassadors Sunland has just recently said or submitted to Congress and things are moving rather quickly here. But I'm just I'm just seeing now that that funeral hill the top White House. Russia adviser is taking exception to some of the things on Lynda saying. What do we know about that? Right so Fiona Hill. You'll recall was the president's top advisor on a a Russia Russia affairs. She was You know steeped deep in Russia policy. She left over the summer just before the president's phone call and her she's been publicly pretty quiet although she was he's very willing to go in and testify but her lawyer tweeted this morning that Sunland had fabricated his communications with Dr Hill. None of which which were over coffee so apparently sunlen in his four hundred pages of testimony which were released yesterday. He said that they had a conversation over coffee. Hill is saying that was not the case and her lawyer goes on to say that that Dr Hill told Sunland what she told lawmakers that the lack of coordination on Ukraine was disastrous and the circumstances of the dismissal of ambassador Ianovich shameful so clearly Hill taking issue with one one of the assertions in San Lin's testimony That was released yesterday. Her testimony has not been publicly released yet. But this really follows a pattern of multiple. All triple witnesses saying that various things that sampling claimed in his testimony were untrue. Okay so that's sort of the latest in terms of what we know regarding Testimony going on in the house impeachment inquiry. Tell us a little bit a Mitch. McConnell is Senator Mitch McConnell is talking about you know what might take place in the Senate if an impeachment trial ever reaches there. What does he been saying? Well you know. He has tried in recent weeks to really steer clear of the substance of these allegations. He has had numerous opportunities to bolster the president's case he hasn't really taken those opportunities. He says that it looks like this is all going to be coming. The Senate's way eventually so he's not going to weigh in on every twist and turn but he is a happy to weigh in on the process. Ossis he argues that the process taking place in the house is still unfair and He said interestingly this week that while while it does appear that the president is likely to get impeached in the house. And that this will all come down to a trial in the Senate that he doesn't see anything these accusations right now that he believes would lead to the removal of the president and basically what he's saying is that he doesn't. I think that these accusations are serious. Enough to cause Republicans in the Senate to side with Democrats in favor of removing the president president. It's not the same as him saying that he himself doesn't believe there's anything wrong with what the president did. He's just saying he doesn't think that Republicans are going to go along with Democrats and actually actually vote to remove the president from office. Well Nancy Cortes chief congressional correspondent for CBS News on behalf of our listeners in Hawaii let me tell you a little oh ha ha to for having me from so hats off to you remember from listeners from your home state Nancy Cortez again chief congressional correspondent for CBS News. We gotta take a quick break when we come back we will take a look at what all of this Washington politics and the impact. It's having On state and local elections this point this is on point. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. Look the late house speaker tip. O'Neill has probably nobly been spinning in his grave for a while. Now the idea that all politics is local. Has That quaint. Feel of yesteryear. But when voters do step into the booth especially in a non presidential election year when they make decisions about their states governors and legislators usually that choices supposed to be about local taxes is about schools small businesses but have we fully crossed over into a world now where every local election is impart at least a referendum on Washington winton. Well three major elections yesterday in Kentucky. Mississippi and Virginia provide perfect test cases. So let's talk about them and we want to hear from you. especially if you're in those states St. How did you decide who to vote for? Do Washington politics. Make any difference when you're picking your local leaders. Should it join US anytime on point. Radio DOT DOT ORG twitter and facebook at on point radio and let's first start off in Kentucky with that. Big Governor's race and joining us from Louisville. Is Philip Bailey. A political reporter for the Louisville Courier Journal. Hello Philip how you doing. They're doing very well here. So The governor's race in Kentucky Democrat Andy Bushier his declaring victory. How how by? How much did he did? He win this race or clave. ANAEROBIC claims to have win. Once all right Attorney General Bashir who is the attorney. General and son of former governor steep Ashir governor elect Bashir. He won yesterday's yesterday's general election by about five thousand. One hundred and fifty votes are a very razor thin margin One that Folks were paying attention attention to until the wee hours here in Kentucky after Bashir took the stage and declared victory. Governor Governor Matt Bevin the Republican incumbent Said basically I'm not conceding to big Roy to his crowd of these two have been bitter rivals releases. Two thousand thousand fifteen when both of them entered their respective offices Governor Bevin has taken many Potshots at Ami Bashir and his father former governor Steve Bashir. You're saying that their family is corrupt etc but it was a very very close election and one in which governor Bevin mentioned irregularities but did not specify what exactly he was talking about he sort of said it in passing during his campaign during his election night speech but it really specify well. Let's listen to a moment from from Governor Bevan's speech last night again not a concession yet. And here's what he said. This is a close close race we are conceding this race by any stretch. And here's the thing though. Understand this we want the process process to be followed in. There is a process we know for a fact that there have been more than a few irregularities. They are very well corroborated rated and that's all right what they are exactly. How many which ones and what effect if any they have will be determined according to law that's well established published? Okay so that's governor Bevin of Kentucky not conceding last night in a very narrow race between him and Possible governor elect Andy Bushehr Philip Bailey. Look look everyone around. The country is wondering. How do we read this race here? Right because Governor Bevin was extremely unpopular president trump visited Kentucky. This week to try and help Paul Bevan up. Should we read anything about the effect of Washington politics on this race. Or was it still really sort of local Kentucky issues and this particular governor. That people voted on governor. Bevin tried mightily to to over the summer to define this race on national issues on abortion on illegal immigration on President trump. He he did a press conference outside. The governor's mansion where he implored the media. Basically lectured and instructed the media. Ask Andy Bashir where he stands impeachment understanding that President Trump's CBS popularity levels far outpace. His own governor Bevin was in about a negative three percent approval in the last polling. That was done bounced back from what it was. I believe Governor Bevan's campaign learned very early on in the primary when little known a freshman legislator by the name of Robert Goforth got about forty percents without really clean. Bevan's clock particularly in parts of Eastern Kentucky and go forth did not run a race saying he was more conservative than governor Bevin more liberal or moderate than governor Bevin no real policy difference go forth campaign was centered on Matt. Bevin isn't one of us. He's a New Hampshire native. He's this New England guy. He's very a brass. Excuse me Brash. He says under this bull in a China shop he doesn't represent our Kentucky values as one goforth supported mentioned to me Matt. Bevin isn't the type of person you wouldn't buy into Mama's House Potato Salad and anti-bush year took advantage of that. He often referred to governor Bevin as a bully saying he added erotic behavior so so Bashir kept the focus on healthcare education local issues that he said Kentucky inns cared more about Particularly with teachers who. We're very very upset with Governor Matt Bevin I would say even some of them hate governor Bevin who are big part of the Bashir campaign so no. I don't think you can use this race. As is an example for anything nationally or even in the other races every Republican won there statewide Elections Attorney General Treasurer Secretary of state etc.. They all no one except for Matt Bevin who has quarreled with just about every person including the women's basketball coach at the University of Louisville since he's taken office office including the First House Speaker First Republican House Speaker in about one hundred years. You gotta a fractured relationship with. Lieutenant Governor Janine Hampton who had a budding friendship with up until about six seven months ago when he dumped her from the ticket for state. Senator so governor Bevin often thumbed his nose at traditional Oh political norms he would release his tax returns. The thumbed his nose at the media. Judiciary Calling Kentucky Judges Hacks for ruling against him and in many many ways that was caught fire in two thousand fifteen way before Donald trump was elected in got him compared to president trump often. But I think Thumbing his nose at those political norms finally caught up with. It didn't work for him this time round interesting. We've got a comment a coming in on our website from Mat L.. He says as a born and raised Kentucky. Doc in Matt says this that it shows that president. Trump's endorsement cannot resurrect the dead Matt says Bevin didn't need a little push from trump. He needed a life preserver and then Matt says even if a Democrat wins. The governor's mansion the Attorney General and secretary positions just flipped to Republican Bashir. Victory still be the mixed bag for Democrats in Kentucky. So Philip Hang on here for just a second. 'cause I want to hop over to Mississippi where there was another really interesting gubernatorial race. A Republican held onto the governor's seat in Mississippi Governor lactate reeves spoke to supporters after his defeat of Attorney General. Well Jim Hood. He won the gubernatorial race by about fifty thousand votes. Yesterday it has been a long road but it has been a good road. Yeah and I want you to know that I understand that this victory does not below to me. This victory belongs to you. You got us through the primary. You got us through the run out and you got us through the toughest general election in the last twenty eight years in Mississippi State Reeves's gives a speaking last night to supporters after defeating Attorney General Jim Hood in the Mississippi Gubernatorial race and joining us now from Jackson. Mississippi is Emily Webster Peta She. She is a political reporter for this. OC press in Mississippi. Emily it's great to have you. Hi thanks for having me on so the. GOP really cemented It's it's It's dominance control over Mississippi politics yesterday. Did it not yes it did. Jim Hood was the last Democrat remaining in statewide office for the past dozen years and so after last night Republicans will actually hold all eight of the statewide offices because they picked up the attorney general seats so and they will hold all statewide offices. I've been hearing that That's since the first time since reconstruction that's happened in Mississippi. Yes that's correct okay so historic so tell us then about what what reeves's victory in in the governor's race tells us about Mississippi. Talk Politics Right now take reeves really recast this election as a referendum on national politics he he constantly portrayed Jim Hood as A you sort of wild eyed liberal. who was the holden too? Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and other national figures People Jim Hood is probably never honestly even met did bring president trump and vice president pence to Mississippi in the closing days of the campaign. They both did appearances for him Jim Hood basically kept at this distance from most national democratic figures until the very last day when president Former President Obama did a robo-call went out to voters in parts of the state on Monday and He urged people to get out and vote for Jim Hood interesting so so reeves made this about national issues but but from your sense about Mississippi politics and Mississippi voters would it have made a difference. I mean if the GOP was headed down the path of cemented its control over. Statewide offices did even need to make it about national issues. You know that's a really good question. I mean Jim Hood tried to cast this race as A a being about the issues of education Highway Infrastructure and expansion of Medicaid He Criticizes Take Reeves on all all three fronts saying that Basically under the past eight years with with Take reasons with China governor that these things have been underfunded in Mississippi has lost a a billion dollars a year for not expanding Medicaid Take you know Did respond that he thought that expanding Medicaid was a bad idea because he thinks the state cannot cannot afford it and he doesn't want to add more people to a government program He he had responses on these issues but he again would continuously steer it back to being more of a national referendum interesting okay. We'll emily webster pettus Mississippi political reporter for the Associated Press with us from Jackson. Emily thank you you so much for joining us. Thank you okay. So we've talked about Kentucky and we'll come back to Kentucky in a minute with A narrowed possible democratic win in the governor's office there talked about the GOP cementing. Its control over Mississippi politics who got the opposite story happening in Virginia so joining us now from Harrisonburg Virginia is Cara on whealy associate director at the James Madison Center for Civic Engagement at James Madison University versity. Welcome to on point allow MAGNA. Thank you for having me so tell us about what happened in the election. Yesterday regarding The Virginia Legislature Ledger so the Virginia legislature is now controlled by Democrats and means that Democrats now hold the governor the governorship the Senate and the House of delegates for the first time since nineteen ninety-three since one thousand nine hundred eighty three so so quite a sea change their yes sir and yes okay. Go ahead because I because first of all I mean. National Democrats are looking at Virginia India. And I suppose they're feeling exactly what National Republicans feel when they look at Mississippi. Right there that there's this Sort of statewide control roll here. Let's listen to a little bit From one of yesterday's Winners in Virginia. This is Gonzala hush me. The first Muslim woman woman elected to the Virginia State Senate speaking to supporters after she won the tenth district Senate seat. Oh my gosh. This is overwhelming. Isn't that a great night to be a Democrat. We did it Virginia. We did it so tell us what could happen. Now that the Democrats are Controlling the the Virginia legislature. So I think a couple of key issues that are gonNA come up Is I the equal rights amendment Virginia becomes. It becomes possible possible for Virginia to become the thirtieth state needed to ratify the equal rights amendment That had narrowly failed last year in the Legislative Assembly There's also talk of continued Reforms to Medicaid expansion. And there's also concerns in the state with regards to gun legislation seven and particularly following the incidences over the summer In in Virginia Beach and so the Democrats I think are likely to focus on gun control control legislation. What has been pushing Virginia in this direction right because as you said it was what ten twelve years ago that There were two Republican senators from Virginia. the GOP had a much stronger presence in the state politically. I think traditionally if you look at the State of Virginia it tends to go opposite of control of the White House. So and then you know it there it will take time To to realign. And so just eventually will trickle down to the to the legislature level I'm to the governorship and then the legislature And I think but I think you know. I think there's some key points to be made here. We have you know. We're we're talking about relieved lead the local politics and the local issues and other issue. I should mention In Virginia is minimum wage laws may not be taken up in this general assembly as well I should also the Republicans are are saying they are going to push back or and hold account that they'll work where possible with Democrats but they will also push back if they think that that Democrats are pushing too much on any of these issues so so so there are some divisions. I think what's really important to note. Is that we do have these local institutions. But as we've heard in these other states our politics has become nationalized And so we saw candidates. You know kind of campaigning on some of these broader issues that do affect people all over the country But you know I've heard from candidates for example yesterday in their experiences of of talking with voters that was less necessarily to do with you know the the president although there's research to show that presidential approval ratings do matter for how people will vote in these local elections but a lot of people are really concerned about the issues that they're facing with regards to jobs with regards to health care and with regards to education especially and so we were seeing that really play out in the election results here And there's also of course a lot of gender-based issues I think another thing to note. What is the turnout differences across these three states? You Know Kentucky and Virginia Turnout increased In both of those states from Twenty Fifteen fifteen whereas in Mississippi turn out was relatively the same to the gubernatorial election. So we saw greater mobilization of voters You know I think around some of these issues that really matter in people's lives at the local level. Okay so let's turn back to Phil Bailey. Who has been waiting patiently? Their political reporter for the Louisville Courier Journal in Kentucky Phillip. What do you have response to what you've been hearing harassing right? I think that's absolutely correct. I mean in two thousand fifteen. We saw turn out here in the state when Matt Bevin wanted about. Thirty percent of the Secretary of State Secretary of State's office says that turn out in this election was was about forty two percent when you look at the map what Andy Bashir was able to do was he was able to flip certain counties that Bevan had wind particularly Northern Kentucky Eastern and Central Kentucky but he also was able to have massive victories in Louisville and Lexington Kentucky's to democratic strongholds in two largest cities for example Jack Conway the Democratic nominee. In two thousand fifteen. He Won Lexington where the University of Kentucky is located on on that Over Matt Bevin by ten thousand votes in two thousand fifteen Andy Bashir beat Bevan by thirty six thousand in Louisville Conway. What about thirty eighty seven thousand votes Sheer beat Bevan in Louisville by about a hundred thousand votes. Yes Bailey. Hang on for a second because I want to explore that more when we come back from a quick break. We're talking about whether there's now a porous boundary between national and local politics. We'll be right back Chuck Party. This is on point. News breaks and big stories change every day. That's why we're giving you. NPR's ten minute morning. News podcast on Saturdays to I'm Scott Simon and I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. Varo up I start your day with us. Weekdays at six eastern and Saturdays at eight a bit later to suit your weekend from NPR news. This is on point. I magnin talker. Bardy we're talking about the very fascinating elections. That happened yesterday in Kentucky Mississippi and Virginia and what they tell us about whether there's a more porous horace boundary than ever between national and local politics find us online at on point. Radio DOT ORG are on twitter and facebook at on point radio we we got lots of comments coming in here. For example mark. Seven hundred eighty eight says elections at the state and local level will be referendum on trump if the candidates and the state local parties. Make it one Someone else calling themselves doc says as someone who lives in Kentucky I can tell you that the gubernatorial race was not about trump. It was about voting out a bad governor who anger teachers and the many citizens they served So let's listen a little bit too What Democrat Andy. Bashir told a crowd of his supporters last night as he claimed victory in the Kentucky Gubernatorial Race. It's a message that says our elections don't have to be about right versus left. They are still about right versus wrong. went out of his way not to mention a president. Donald Trump. But as we've been discussing. The president had actually rallied In Lexington an earlier this week in support of Republican candidate Governor Matt Bevin. And here's what the president said earlier in Kentucky. If you you lose it sends a really bad message sends a bit and they will build it up. Here's a story of your win they're gonNa make it like And if you lose sticking to say trump suffered the greatest latest defeat in the history of the world. This was the greatest. You can't let that happen to me. President Trump in Lexington Kentucky on Monday. Hey let's go to Sean. WHO's calling from Richmond Kentucky Sean? You're on the air. Hi Magna I just wanted to mention that I believe leave that the seven zero election really did come down to local issues but I do wonder what implications this has for twenty twenty. I'm based on turn out in the suburbs suburban and Metro Lexington Louisville Cincinnati area and. I'll take my comment off the air. Sean thank you for your call. Philip daily this is what you were getting to before the break but go ahead and give us some more analysis on the on the the suburban urban rural. Divide in Kentucky. Right I mean let. Let's look at Northern Kentucky. Boone County Clinton County Campbell county the Cincinnati suburbs back in two thousand nine two thousand ten. This was the headquarters news of the Burgeoning Tea Party movement here in Kentucky Matt Bevin won it decisively in two thousand fifteen two of those three counties however Kenton and and Campbell went for Bashir in Campbell County in particular. It wasn't even close Bashir won pretty convincingly. I believe by more than ten points. the collar From Richmond is correct. I mean the Bashir campaign kept US completely focused on local issues. And I think what you you have seen is the question of particular ticket for suburban voters. Were they fed up. Were they disturbed by governor. Bevan's some of his behavior. I spoke with a representative. Jerry Miller State State Representative Jerry Miller out of Louisville a Republican for my column in the Courier Journal a few weeks ago months ago. He told me on the record said look a lot of Republicans the legislature we like Governor Bev policies. We like him. Signing right to work Legislation Charter schools we his advocacy for school choice is antiabortion views etc etc tre but he said admittedly many Republicans within the legislature don't alike and have a problem with some of his behavior on social media particularly him attacking checking Kentucky judges saying that their hands right like so many of them admitted that there was a problem there. Even President Robert Staffer said last night as the election results elsewhere coming in that. If this is about policies think conservatives will show up if it's about personality many of them may stay home. It was a perfect storm. Right I mean for Andy Cheer who had a name. Recognition from his father from Paducah to Pike Ville into end of both sides of the State Governor Bevin certainly unpopular amongst his own party and Kentucky inns particularly teachers who are very civically engaged connected group of people some of these counties the the school board the school is the largest employer. All people know Miss Mary weather right in their local school. They taught their children their parents. Their grandparents and Governor Bevin insulting these folks and calling the names and pointing owning the finger at them when he was trying to overhaul. The pension system got in the way of some of his own company his administration for example fully funded the pension system while he was in office. Wow so so Philip just briefly did did did impeachment come up the impeachment inquiry. Come up at all During during the campaign certainly only governor Bevin tried to insert that stated earlier. But he would say look. This constituents are asking me about telling me about right up. That was something that certainly the Bevan campaign wanted wanted to make it about. But I don't know if you heard many average Kentucky Inns who were even plugged into this race? The first thing on their mind didn't seem to be impeachment. Yeah Okay so care on way let me turn back to you there And and it carries associate director of the James Madison Center for Civic Engagement at James Madison University in Harrisburg Virginia Harrisonburg. Here's and broke. I should say Virginia. We're going to get back to the specifics of Virginia here in a second car. I wonder if you could reflect with me on what Philip just said because you you know pushing back against the impeachment inquiry is a strong galvanizing force I imagine for the GOP base but are we seeing and in Kentucky that it also has its limits. Because you can't over overcome the importance of these local issues and granted in Kentucky had kind of a unique situation Jewish because as fillers been telling US Bevan was so wildly unpopular served wanting what we can ride from that. I think we can read very little from right right. I think he's an outlier rather than the norm. For what you know in terms of implications for two thousand twenty or and just what. We're seeing more broadly just because of we because the state of the country in terms of the sorting that we've seen And the realignment of the party coalitions over the last couple of decades So that we do because we do have these. Urban Rural and suburban divides Geographically speaking we have different regional realignments. That have occurred And then you know the the coalition of the parties have changed so that you know the Republican Party tends to be a wider older And Mail and the Democratic Party has a more diverse coalition And and we we have wider wider gender gaps So I think you know some of these national trends friends are also affecting The you know the state elections and those are going to play more of a role And and so what you know what it means for these state and local elections is. It's much harder for an individual to break through some of these broader national trends that have been occurring Another important factor in all of this says if we look at the the party system and the nationalization of the parties which is weakened the state and local parties if you look at State Platform State party platforms They look they look a lot more like the national platforms than they once did especially if we think back to the eighteen hundreds where local parties were very vibrant and and based on patronage and there was much more local connection and local issues meant a lot more in in the local party platforms and we also have to think about campaign fundraising and spending as well. If you look at the races in Kentucky and Virginia you had a lot more outside spending in those in those races and you had the party so you had a lot of money from the party. Committees flowing in and some of the major industries like healthcare education For example playing playing a big big role as well as as issue based funders You know both in the states but also lurked outside funding coming from beyond those states In into the elections so so there are a lot of forces that I think converged on the local scene some national forces that converge to drive some of these local elections elections At the same time you know it does matter. You know when I think one commentator noted if you make it about a particular issue than than doubts what is going to drive people to the polls and so I think you know one of the things that the what we what we need to see. More of increased capacity for local organizations to actually be able to engage a residents and voters on the issues So that they can participate and we also there's also sort of structural barriers right in in different abilities across states to to participate in the process. Oh this is absolutely fascinating okay. So let's go back to our caller go to Patricia. WHO's calling from Chester Virginia Patricia? You're on the air. Go Ahead I. I typically go you lean Republican but I vote on issues in the quality of the candidate and because of the any inappropriate behavior and the repeated poor judgment in the Oval Office combined signed with the unwillingness of congressional leadership to challenge in the executive branch. I felt that left me with no choice but to make a statement at the poll so the first for the the first time in many years I went with straight move. Oh Wow okay and Patricia. It sounds like you wish you would have had another option though absolutely. I'm very disappointed in the extreme polarization of really both parties. And I felt that this was my only chance to say whoa and so so so I'm hearing you talk about your cash you wanted. You cast your vote with this national lens in mind but as care on whaley was telling US earlier now with Democratic Control of the Virginia State Legislature. That could bring about a lot of statewide policy changes in Virginia. You're okay with that. I think that that might be something that'll get get attention. I think that that's what has to happen. Okay and and attention in a good or a bad way. I'm curious well distant terms of the fact I do view view this vote as a referendum on what's going on in DC. So I'm hoping that while makers attention we'll be called for that and what I would eventually like to see happen. Is Things. Go to more. Bipartisan cooperation. You know so that. We're not so polarized as a nation Asian and so that we can accomplish this. We'll Patricia. Thank you so very much for your call. Kerry you want to respond to you heard Patricia. Say Yeah I mean I think she's You know there are many voters like her But again I want to think about the the civic and political participation gap and again who actually participates in these these elections and essentially we know that in in state and local elections. The electorate tends to be Older more wealthy and Whiter right but when you more voters are when we reach out to additional people when we make sure that they we are able to participate in the process that actually increases their representation And so I think that's also important to be thinking about In terms of the state and local elections spends is how do we increase participation and address some of the structural barriers to participation. Okay let's go to David. WHO's calling from Frankfort Kentucky Eighty David? You're on the air. Hello can you hear me yeah. I can't go ahead David. Yeah this was for me I know a lot of it's a referendum on Obamacare We signed up more Kentucky and during what we call connect the Virgin and any other state in the union. And then beverly win on this you know vendetta and completely dismantled it and tried to kick about four hundred thousand of Medicaid his work rules you have to understand are so draconian that even the workers don't understand the the social workers don't understand them specifically designed to force people to lose their Medicaid be locked out number. Come Back David. Thank you so much for your call. So Philip Bailey We hear this over and over again from folks that they are voting on healthcare in Kentucky and a caller is absolutely correct. That connect That the affordable care act obamacare. Whatever you WANNA call? It was very popular here in the State of Kentucky. Typically if you call the affordable care act and not obamacare there And one thing that governor Bevin Had said was that he was petitioning for a work. Requirement on able bodied Medicaid recipients in his philosophy if he was look folks who get these benefits. If they're able to. They should be working. It should be volunteering. They should be doing something for the benefits that they're receiving That that was again infused by the Bashir campaign saying and really think energized the democratic base the liberal base that was really the start in the core of his candidacy and what governor Bevin essentially said was. WAS THAT IF I don't get my way on this. If the federal government does not allow me to impose these work requirements. I am going to cancel. And get rid of the Medicaid expansion that my predecessor Steve Bashir put through. which would have jeopardized the healthcare for about half a million Kentuckians? So there's all these sorts of things at play here. All different parts of it was the perfect storm in a state that is leaning more conservative state. Democrats have always believed and thought that the off year elections have inoculated them from the more Liberal Progressive National Democratic Party Republicans have been able to pierce that as of late for various reasons. Again like demographics as the issue Kentucky is an overwhelmingly White Rural State outside of Louisville and Lexington. But what I think Amy Bashir was able to do he was able to merge the policy concerns the Progressives and even moderate folks had about Governor Bevan's attempts to change the healthcare care system education etc and also merge disaffected Republicans and others. Who just did not like this governors personality into one and unlike a national democrats she was not being radicalized by president trump? Like you're seeing for Democrats at the national level. I see okay so we've just got a couple of seconds left here and I want to ask both you Philip and care one last question here so Philip I I do you. Do you care to hazard a guess on what window this might give us onto Mitch. McConnell's reelection prospects. Senator McConnell is is Not Concerned or sweating all this issue. He feels that his people feel. This was a very much a referendum Bevan for example there protege send senator McConnell's protege. Daniel Cameron won the attorney. General's race the first Republican Attorney General since World War Two the first African American attorney general in another McConnell title. Protege Michael Adams one secretary of state against the very popular very well known heather French Henry for Miss America in two thousand. Okay and Care Ueli last question to you here again. Just help us look forward here. What is the lesson that we ought to be taking about the the poorest boundary between national and local politics as we look forward to twenty twenty? We just got about thirty seconds. We really have to be figuring out what matters and people's

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102419 Part 2

Ace and TJ

42:29 min | 1 year ago

102419 Part 2

"Month call eight hundred nine four eight five seven four nine eight hundred nine four eight five seven four nine it doesn't take focus group to name a Papa John's pizza with five of our best when you look at your current bathroom do you know that it needs an immediate update we want you to know about one day bath and shower remodeling with prices as low as one hundred ninety nine dollars per I'm not saying this'll be the definitive one that we go with but did give me an idea of what you think might work number the youngest a USA USA but I mean that was an impressive that'd be like if if we talked a song over the intro of a song the only Papa John's not valid with other discounts these taxes extra prices may vary for her though to do a backflip I thought she threw did a backflip and threw the ball at the same time to be honest TJ when I first saw it on twitter this morning I it was very cool she's cool one of the most celebrated gymnasts of all time now I think one of the most success I think the most successful she has won more world championship gold medals maybe is looking for you to decide what the cover will look like on his upcoming debut single Maggie may dreams found weird you have to have a cover photo that goes up when you posted the video media and you need to know about it we'll get to that in just one second but did everybody see Simone biles throughout the first pitch at the world series last night the flip did a backflip was awesome he's not even up on the mound but she does more than backflips just some kind of a corkscrew backflip standing full thank you don't call her yeah I don't really know which one I liked the best so if everybody will go and vote and don't look somebody the first person voted said one or three now pick one at the top of the hour we give you the hottest trending topics in the world this is Dow trending with Reagan's on the AC Tj show okay we just posted something on social oh now I mean that's what she does does flips does flip out we just posted this on social media at the show on facebook and twitter some marvelous like the top hair stylist in the world in a customize harrow quick and then sit him the ball and then were more world championship medals period than any person in history it was an impressive yet I bet she did a what they handed her the ball she would be like holy cow that's a lot of meats now if you'll excuse me I'm GonNa go enjoy the meats and my labour try large meats or work for just twelve bucks uh-huh and everything for people to find it in all on spotify and all that kind of stuff the everything so we have three options and I just wanted to see what people thought I don't know what I'm going to go I have a favorite I don't want do you have any that say like your your name at the top like it does with the graphics and then the name of the song across Oh so still also it was it was cute it was cute yeah now to be like maybe if aw she had flipped the ball to them while she did the back but I missed it but then I realized oh no she didn't I know that's what I think that's incredible but then realised oh it's not what I thought it was the only three choices yes that's all the choices you get none of them are going to be beautiful but that's the best I can do for you right now they're pretty good that's all I got what do we need to know about a group of men who are the sleeper studs and it's not necessarily one thing one group could be better ooh I mean it's very bad they could have gotten anyway the crowd to do that I mean I like her and all and then you know and gave out DJ information and then stopped talking right as they started singing and then say handling the ball let me throw out the pitch right that's what she does she's a master of what she does that something else than others will explain next show if you've been tempted to click on an ad for weight loss this is air but then maybe a picture of somebody else wrote the song it kind of how they tend to do it you know the song by Seen Music Factory they're very first big hit submitted to come and show up everything really cool it's so it'll be out in November but we're doing putting the finishing touches on stuff now so go vote please it was however that song with the one in the video was not a woman who actually sang who sang on it was one of the go to the knicks not smile my smile apparently it's not a good smile. Dj One of the the big ladies from the weather girls that sang the song it's rain man and she recorded the song and then they put a model they are either in a leather jacket on the street it was hot avid favorite show what number two yeah most people it back to them did a flip a just a standing backflip and then for speech well that's worry about their end today they have a one day special one day only buy three get three free by three three free today only all you have to in the early ninety s in GonNa make you sweat is such a no no it wasn't as TJ dot com this is the AC TJ show every Weekday Mornings Asians with no additional fees unlike the cruise lines and land packages just email Michelle at travel at TJ DOT com. That's travel at and it's also good for all kinds of things I have acid reflux and it's helped me with that it's a lot better now since I've been taking cal train it helps some people with sleep problems our travel agent Michelle charges no fees and will bring her thirty years of tricks of the trade to get you the best deals possible there are now also payment who's twenty seven inches in six hours then they need to stop that you need to try cal cal train helps you lose weight the healthy way available at I tunes and Google play we've all laughed about it made fun of farmers only dot com what's the what's the song that goes with it Oh you don't have to be alone the with farmers only dot com I've never made fun of it It's where my wife and I met the three get three free at top loss dot com order your Calatrava today it's already time to get fall and holiday travel plans together eight million people are now members of farmers only dot com you don't have to be a farmer to join you have to be country at heart is what they said people and the guy said quote everybody knows everybody in my community but I go on these dating APPs and they don't understand the country lifestyle eh to kind of keep everybody together and do you see the video the dads daughters that are in the video are all members of the radio family that that that month of farmers only dot com but there are a lot of people who believe a lot of ladies who believe Ed since two thousand five when farmers only dot com was founded dating site we find farmers vom girls I guess I don't know in country vote over eight I'm really since it was founded and she got some Crops Now oh I'll harvest seven eight and nine eastern Grieg's hosts Dow trending get the latest from what's going on around the world live on the AC Tj show on the Act g everything this farmer said and that's what's in the commercials and they've made a forward they are making a fortune doing it we just got an APP so that's why they're way more people on farmers only than farmer if the thing is two dollars a month they're making sixteen million over sixteen million dollars there's something special about the country guy the farmer guy whatever the the country at heart kind of person because that's what they're into that talked was talking to a divorce farmer just talking and he was complaining about the lack of like minded people for him today he couldn't find the right they say it all started with the guy who runs it Jerry Miller is his name the best type of boyfriend like maybe maybe you don't know because you're preconceived notion says gaming nerd not the guy for you may yeah I think number two is well I think it looks like looks like a number two so you know if you would go vote please everybody go vote because we're trying to make a decision is it just Collagen we lose overtime it replaces that to help with all kinds of things and it's drug and stimulant free so it will not interact with any medication so nothing go to top LOSS DOT COM T. 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DOT COM and order calendar in use the Promo Code Ace TJ act you get free shipping also is a one day Special Yeah Man City folks just don't get it clear the article goes on to talk about how he for the most part took whoa that's what makes everything fuzz they're different people have different ideas of what's good what's special what makes a great guy what makes mm-hmm a great friend if you know what I mean with the benefits or whatever I don't know it depends on what you're looking for so you know the question becomes are farmers secretly the best boyfriend and that's why eight million people over eight million people farmers dot COM who is view are a gaming nerd girl and you're saying that I don't think it is I think it's somebody who you would think yourself hey I used to think gaming our guys you know didn't know how to bring it till I got one I don't like games you know I'm not a child I don't play video games in on farmers only I guess you do right you've got some at five ten dollars a month five dollars a month but it's not just farmers it's also people who love the country lifestyle drawn they just launched their own APP because you know there's only two million farmers in the country but there's eight million people on farmers only so clearly do you pay best I got for you today handsome and on a no you hunting jacket dot hot in that jazz thanks very in box trucks and things like that but he does he likes it and he is Mister Lover Ah just every day okay well then you know can seriously the let's see the rest of them the three eighty five it's one triple eight forty one eight t you can text us takes a Tj in your message to nine six eight nine three I would think butcher would be obliged Sir Wyatt Butcher think that it'd be good me knows how to bring you wonder why yeah I'll butchers that idea yeah so don't either up sinking it in the video that's what I should have done I'm just saying it has been out there Mansi hotel is not only beautiful but the staff goes out of their way to make sure you have the most luxurious experience of your life the best boyfriend that make the best husbands are that just don't take care of you coin collectors baby so why TJ I don't know it is yeah well what is the overlooked group of guys that would make in this is the Tj show tomorrow morning we are live in Greensborough one hundred point three Kiss FM Radio Family Friday always fun in front of the walked and talked a war it's close sexy I'd never been around that before you know what I'm saying so who are the sleeper studs one triple eight four one to one yeah who are the sleeper studs the overlooked group of guys that would be the best boyfriends the best husbands are the best just sexy guys coming up hey it's TJ and I wanna tell you about my recent stay at the Ballantyne you know the second you walk in you know you're in the Ballantyne Dot com and see all the great things you can enjoy everything from their SPA to golf they're beautiful pool fine restaurant and everything thing else true luxury hotel provides so book your stay now at the Ballantyne Dot com I really think you're gonNA love it want save up to seventy five I wanted the blues I the lighting the colors the brick in the background that's not a good smile on that one it could be one could be Yeah Coin Collector Roy reason why I'm just saying I don't know it I'm just naming ecksteen eight hundred two eight seven forty seven sixteen TJ show percents on domestic or international airline tickets then call low cost airlines for prices so low we can't publish them call eight hundred two eight seven forty seven from things that you assume would be sex I apologize TJ because I just naturally assumed there was some type of dirty underhanded joke coming in be gaming nerd knows how to go all out to take care of a lady and does it is it the same thing yeah I agree teaching I think it's I think you can take him anyway but I think it's better if they had that experience where they didn't know until suddenly Ed's something about a guy that's determined to be good at what he does even know it takes a physical toll on his body bonus points they're always really fit or studs who the guys don't really hear that much bow but turned out they make great boyfriends they make great husbands they may great whatever three eighty five just call us the Greensboro area and we'll get you set up with a couple of spots for we got a couple of left so tomorrow morning radio family Friday your sleep often it's true nick like Rachel said hunters it seems with one hundred they're not clingy live audience if you WanNa be a part of that audience will even provide breakfast I just hit us up now one triple a. forty-one TJ one triple eight four one to twenty turn and you're happy to see them and they're happy to see you and things are smooth for a few days and then they go back out into the woods yeah until they say GONNA go hunting haven't thought about that but that's true you're going to be a skateboarder you decide I I don't work on this trick and you keep doing it over and over if they're around women all day who are being dramatic and griping nagging and all that I bet they snap when they get home pretty easily Dell's left all of them impotent I know the on the stairs it seems that way doesn't I maybe please keep me anonymous but they are around females a lot and we'll listen to the drama and they learn how the female mind works plus they aren't freaked out by a lot of see Steffi for sick they'll take care of you but I would think their tolerance for Crap at home would be pretty low you went out with a guy on some kind of a blind date the oldest to do your friend a favor and you know wow he was kind he was sweet something about the way the way he Tonight Digging Oh yeah oh I'm GonNa be a long called long legs it's not that way and I haven't seen that proven but I just assume when your craft is GonNa have you damage yourself down there so thanks thanks junior junior nurses who are mailed okay she schism probably fucking the opposite because they're used to it oh yeah that's up to love so this is interesting Haley said skateboarders are the number one sleepers typically sweet they're intelligent and they're gentlemen and there's no such thing as a former right it's kind of like being in the Marine am is for his girl woman to not be happy there's a guy right now on love after Laka this girl had she does nothing but gripe and have mood swings and all that and he's about ready to go back in prison get rid of Oh gosh when I was in jail I had to lie in over and that's how you know the lot of falling lot of physical toll on the body all kinds of juice but it there's a there's a level of determination there that she sees as being sexy but haven't handrail If I wanted to play basketball had to line to you I was on lock now because if I wasn't there to talk to you on the phone you just go crazy I'm miserable this should be yeah exactly Asian. TJ Show I don't learn anything with that now estimates just take a ginormous and blow it out the first thing you think of eggs with an S. meets plural used in a sentence is a classic rock slash metalhead hard exterior lovey-dovey interior the power ballot they find that attractive no offense rob yeah no not at all back dead serious I need to know exactly why and this lady says her husband fell in love with him before he got out of jail she met him picked him up taken care of and financially they've been engaged and now that he's out with her I like the whole weekend after Thanksgiving kind of you know okay now we're in the Christmas yeah I don't I'm just too gassy it is cool you got a talent scrape several people have said several ladies have said anime quote Unquote nerds but they don't say why so we don't know why that is always a season coming up where the deer sees Turkey season or seasons so there's always a time when you can have some girl time and chill with your best he's because they're going to be out of the woods trying to shoot something and then they were one wants redundant one lady say when they says gamers she never tells why she just goes on and talking about how great her gamers opt imen- really adapt to that okay that's the absolute worst thing you can do I mean to a normal guy the worst thing that can happen yes but we need it but what is it about gamers that make them great yeah I need to know that is your boyfriend now Gamer no okay the opposite doc there's a restaurant that has taken the liberty of doing something and now they've found themselves in court same once a Benji golf and I'm not saying that in an insulting way I just think that's being a member of the band the time of my life as we should be the time I just got out of prison you making over here he says former band geeks skins are really tanned in the Sun GonNa go hunting to nine book they offended the Lady Not Offend the Ladies Lulu explain it next show coming up on the ace and Tj Chauve hit the button if you had a big red button we didn't get enough for more get the A._C.. 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These small things may seem harmless but at the end of the day they are the basis of chauvinistic says of the food on them Goldman us have no prices because they say is a story out of Lima Peru Birthplace of the Lima bean a Lima Bean grand that place is gorgeous and food looks amazing yeah it's a lot of people don't know this but Peru is is very of a show of basis of a chauvinistic construct reinforcing differences between men and women okay whatever there is a very expensive restaurant they call it a seaside restaurant I wonder why it's called Larosa Nautica being a gold menu to the ladies and bloom in you two the men's the bloom in us have the price that and they said this during the legal proceedings that that allows women to enjoy a romantic evening without having to worry about the cost and they are being fined sixty two thousand dollars is a practice that they have of handed Komo now even that they may even comp their meals because they feel sorry for him for not having come on that's that's yeah I'm just saying if I go here I am not paying this place looks very expensive woman can who will then switchmen use Gimme the blue when you take the gold one I mean it's not that it's not worth taking these people to core yeah forward that's why even bother looking at price shouldn't even have to look at the price exactly I think what we're talking about they're going to be I'm good it's not for me to make them feel belittled water mona pedestal. But what if it's one of those special nights that's Assez hey let me treat you of their food if a woman comes in like a couple of women are together for lunch do they get a blue menus that they're paying I'm sure probably I'm very well known for their Kuzina so have they come back now and said the Tj they're going to just start giving out one you'd everybody know they said that they still I'm just very attentive it's where we cover all the top trending topics of the day right now one of the top trending topics is Hashtag we made it that's because Louis Tomlinson has a new song and video out it was just released a couple of minutes ago is one of the members of one direction Lewis Seventy British yes okay Nile and Nile Horan right Mr Hart and he's something Spicy Bacon Oh yeah honey honey hot honey honey Bacon cheeseburger yeah wow mom I'd sounds delicious mhm today's National Food Day oh just a generic food day generic food but it's national so it's American food so he's kind Zane I don't know what he's up to but Liam Payne put something out this year not a month ago and now Louis lasted the racist but for ever Louis because everybody else is down at Harry styles has a new song and music video came out last week now Horn has new song came in a couple of weeks ago Sydney four thousand dollars at the fide food looks delicious Reagan's is beautiful some feminists what was that I said a minute ago that I saw on a on a instagram ad for Ruby Tuesday what was he was bacon cheese the news put it is what's trending down trending with regards on the act to show I in our hearts I don't mean that I thought he was listen he the Irishman know which one's the Irish one Nile and the rest today right now it's important and the top trending topic of the day is the Asian music awards you can go check that out million tweet a million half tweets have been sent out about it this morning the American this is Peru we don't give a damn not they've chart they find him sixty four thousand dollars so even yeah sixty four US yeah dog walker he's my favorite food is if he opium food out get out of here you're in America your greatest place in the world and you have the audacity oh how much these things I love it and she wouldn't I mean yeah it stressful to see how much they're spending it on their own north I'm GonNa leave and when I leave Jiggle the handle so the water will stop running on this country yeah you got me queen it coming up on Dow trending Regan's okay don't you wear your pretty Louis about it we'll get all the top turning topics of the day less than ten minutes and now trending now contents TJ show by texting eighteen Jay and your message to nine six eight nine three aces Tj next better than we are I would say you know what this entire country needs a handle on it because it's a toilet and is better and they don't know and they point out things like hey you know what in America when I stand in my kitchen I don't have to turn around and go to the toilet it's not in the same room chauvinistic don't you think would you be offended Sassou rolled up and will got a bloom in you and you gotta go it's off a different room you know that I would say immediately when I walked into the House I'm one of those countries in there being all like there food but the other night I'm watching the ninety fiance reunion special number one and the lady who's the host it makes me want to blow my brains out she ready to walk up to me and telling me Ethiopian food is the Best Oh stop it speaking of which you reminded me of something not terrible but one of the things she says for our for for those who are not from the United States do you find that Americans tend to be Ooh if you had a big red button on your desk what would that big red button do get rid of all Canadians I mean I don't know we'll find out in less than ten minutes oh I've never heard you hit the button for that Reagan's sure okay or standing up for the ladies and they're not going to have them worry they're pretty little heads about what breakdown no can you summarize that is one of the top trending topics along with a hashtag Thursday thoughts so if you have any thoughts share them in the in the movies they show like the big red button you're not supposed to touch like whatever you do don't touch that they expect too many things no they expected things like they have in America because America rules because the capitalism really made me upset I'm intimate you on the day and I forgot about it could it put me to sleep instantly in a restful sleep every night yes okay that's what you would use it no I'm sad brought it up just then but oh I was so angry because it's like why are they they're not spoiled they just come from a place that has cooler stuff yeah and he's the ace and Tj show this is the ace and Tj show inch wasn't Canada what that's what I'm picturing Canada Canada's pretty cool anything worse than that I can't even imagine l. come on could benefit the world in a positive way like if I hit the big red button and every member of any elected office were concern stone ages anyway go sudden yeah that's it down

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Ep 197: Felipe Esparza

Hyperbrole: A Comedy Advice Podcast

41:07 min | 9 months ago

Ep 197: Felipe Esparza

"Yeah hey everybody. I'm not a clown. Well maybe you comedy clown but not an actual painted clown. But you don't know because you can't see me. So how can you trust me. What was that noise. Was that a car. Was that my nose. You'll never know. But hey it's steph from comedy advice podcast and i'm here to deliver you a steaming hot episode and obe oi careful because you might burn your ear tongues because this one is specially hot because bring on special guests. Full bay esparza. That's right. he won last comic standing. He has four specials and he just released on net flicks to specials at the same time. Nnl me as mo- tempo. He did an english one and he did a spanish one and they're both fantastic. They're actually a little bit different too. So we talk about that. We talk about how he ended up and why he wanted to do is special in english and spanish how he brushed up on that spanish and then we gave some good old fashioned advice. But oh my gosh. Support him watch his specials. 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Is that what you guys want for me. How can i get your dollar bills. Just tell me what you want. And i will do it a wannabe that that f. p. Ftp fulltime podcast or not file. Transfer protocol anyway guys. I'm getting worked up. So i'm going to let you get into the episode here. We go comedy advice. Podcast podcast death and friends. Statement to be taken literally was up. Seven pope cast blue. What's up what's up. I'm so happy to have you leave from the albums. those are my sound panels. It's my attempt to look like. I'm a professional podcast or but judea as is right. Yes the grades on the side of the wall. But i don't think much of it. It's full of smoke. Oh yeah. That's what i used to have before. I got my first patron on my patriot on page and now upgrade with the sound panels. So we're getting there slowly but surely they helped us bone bouncing over and over. They do exactly they do. And i'm allowed guy. I've got this other side with panels right in front of me. So whenever i allowed her screw whenever i am loud. It doesn't reverberate so and i've got a hearty laugh. So who go all right. Well everybody please welcome to a comedy advice. Podcast my name is stephan. Sultani and i have a very special guest today. He's the winner of nbc's last comic standing season seven has has released multiple specials on. Hbo and netflix including his latest special bad decisions or this issue on. He's the first comedian to have a special in both english and spanish and he regularly shows on nbc superstar superstar. And the eric. Andre show everybody please welcome li-pei s was summer. Buddy oh my gosh. It's so good to have you before we dive into you your life. Your new specials wanted to ask ask my guess first off. How are you doing. I'm doing good man. What have you been doing to keep up. And and got a pass. The time i know. It's been really hard especially for comedians with the closing down of comedy clubs and everything like that. I've actually been busy. I from From march till mad. They didn't do anything. No stand up. But i got to work on a movie. It was all covid. Nineteen we had doctors. We have people checking people's temperature. It's a movie called dumb seventh at union. So the union with so much borrow starring and now i'm like a co star and we shot that movie and then I should have superstar episode last. Let's this week. I haven't been back since season four. Yes that's awesome and I did my first voiceover. Wow yes up next year on adult swim and luckily i got to do a lot of stuff on in two thousand nineteen before the pandemic started. I got to do a whole season of eric. Andre which is out right now. Every sunday at midnight on adults swim identify them flakes. And i would look at enough to be one of the last comment to shoot a special before up a shot mine in the beginning of june. Okay i was about to ask about that. Because i saw the special which is hilarious. By the way. And i saw at the end you were taking pictures with fans and everything like that so i was wondering if it was pre cova ed. Post cova coleman. Wow wow that's awesome. And then i was gonna ask to. Obviously you've got a lot going on. You decided to do not just one special but to specials and not just in one language but two languages. So you've you've got bad decisions in english melissa's yoenis in. What was the driving force for you to say. You know what. I'm not going to do one but i'm gonna do to and i'm going to do one in spanish i don't know i just want to do something different. I wanted to challenge myself like my first basho. At only one week to prepare and got my own material and play on together two weeks and the second special my wife and i we both produced light with data with our own money and this special deal with h never blake's so we through when you know what what would just do do specials when an english word spanish and asked me. Do you speak spanish. Good enough so i i. Once i had like an hour of english i started working on the spanish hutch. What more mature of that. Good into spanish and further the wrong way. I like riding my jokes and then going through google translate. The words were not translating. Well yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so to may be wanna make comedian. They've named poets. My in the road with me and helped me translate the material that i could translate from english spanish and i took one that once a month to those. Oh my god and what is it like doing comedy over in. Tijuana is different because in america. A reduced banish common in america. And you mess up the word in english. The very forgiving. Because they're like you know they. They're my skin american crowd. They know english and they know spanish rice of you messed ba- word is probably a word. They mess up to so the with you But it makes me go if you miss about word order. Spanish you silence. Can we messed up by spanish word. Go back to england now. The majority of the people there in my spanish lengthy wanna spoke may lisa first language was spanish and of course there are some people they were show. That were deported from the united states. And they were living in mexico now and they went to my show. of course. then you everything Shit that was surprising because a of my audience. When i thought noticed once like the word spread that i was come into mexico to do shows another people from san diego bakersfield. We're actually thinking of drive to one two for the day to eat tacos by liu jemima's and they were to show and then after the show go back to the united states for real men prison ho l. from mexico pygmy open san diego and will go to mexico the border of mexico go eat hang out and then after the show we'll go to a bakery and then i'll walk into united states on foot and water and then my friend will meet me and with his car across the border. Then we'll just baiji san diego away. That's crazy man. And i was going to ask so. Did you just go down to tijuana and you just did shows were there any open mic nights that you had to do. I don't even know. If they're open mic nights. In tijuana mexico an open mic seen an array in a in a paid comedy scene. Okay and the place that i go to went to. It's like a paint comedy show. I don't know how much money they get paid in in In a in pesos. But i know that the common getty forty five bucks and that's a lot of money in mexico because they average what the average pay is one hundred fifty leak whole jamaica forty five bucks doing stand up. Comedy to ten minutes for the comics was good. But what i would think gay to pay for these shows i get paid for nonetheless. Spanish shows i would just show up and then the money will go to the comics. Oh that's nice. Nice as really cool and i have to say too. I was watching the spanish version after i watched the english version. And i know you were saying you tried to get as much of the stuff that you could translate. And then some of it didn't go in. I know with your english version. You started talking about you. Started with the bit about your dog and getting older and go out to the club. And you're like oh man. I miss my dog and i think in the spanish version you would start it off with a guy was asking you for something to eat or just something when you were walking to the store and then you added some taglines in spanish and stuff so i thought that was really cool. How you were able to yeah. It wasn't just a direct google. Translate type thing you actually put in these accents or special bits for each version so you get a little unique tastes with each want. Yes it through your flavor. I remember when i was young. I saw rodney dangerfield command before he died and he always did. Were in an beat up. Army jacket and sweats and hawaiian t shirt and from vans and his young fifty five year old wife was there she was like seventy five at or By wife was a she wants to be a model as she was. Twenty was wants to get done at fifty five and when he went up there. You took a paper like this people at dan right any putting glasses. Hey they your dogs both other character. Oh shit and his wife was On the back of the stage that this was a reporter like a soldier no way. He's been alana chicks in his seventies but no-one no-one said i can hold the tape recorder. What do your set if he had an online dating profile was still alive that he wouldn't even have to write that leg. Then everybody will say in nine. That's true that's true this and when he just said all right she said when he said all right. She stopped the tape and put in her purse. Damned owed. damn. I was going to say too. 'cause i know that your wife and you you said it earlier to you guys have produced and made specials together. Yeah how how is she involved with. Does she hold the tape recorder to. It's almost like holding the purse on the guys at phone. We'll good. I know you've got a lot of projects going on and then you also have been doing the what's up. Fool odd gas. Yes we'll have eric andrea the show. Oh my gosh. I was listening to eric andrei. I was listening to you. Also have you have a lot of cool people on there yet. Carmen lynch who is also a bilingual comedian comedy in spanish and english. You also had dog face. The guy that with the cranberry juice was skateboarding. So it's a really cool podcast. How how have you been able to keep it up since two thousand fourteen. It's a long time we've been doing on zoom lately and we started off in the studio but now we do not only on zoom right. I've been lucky with an in the beginning. Very lucky with the guest that i had because it was just people meet streets like one of my guests within frankie kalil and now he's on netflix. And that guy was like one of the guys that he came out of prison after going. Eighteen years for a murder didn't commence and now let it. He told me when i met that. He voted for me will he. The president mates what he was at or watching last comic standing and they voted for me. Yeah the silent minority people other four daughter for people that were not show can't say that that they had inmates voting for them. God yes seriously. Who's asterix and asterix to my special now in our god who says inmates can't vote voted in bit you. Inmates are voting for american idol. Too oh hell yes. I'm sure and every illeg a vote for number five here dancing with the stars tiger king check. She's going for a god cheese. What as dog face on everything bro. I mean he is hot right now. But i wonder how to stay but right now they should grab him and put him on dancing with the stars. Oh my god that's a good idea. Dude how yeah because he really does nice his partner could be the cranberry juice and then hit. That would pictures. They're showing up angel with with long boards. That'd be pretty good. I think we should pitch this idea a dog face to the last fast and furious movie. Oh my god. Vin diesel replacement right. They're they're doing the last one now. Number nine holy shit the last. Who is vin diesel. Still in it or did he has okay. that's the last imagine. Brilliant a whole live about being in fashion of furious. I would do it if i could either do. I don't know that or dancing with the stars. I would do a live in fast and furious. Yeah me i would like to judge the british bake off all my god. Are you into that. Oh paul hollywood is my hero man. I love that show black guy. He's the judge with the silver hair. He's good. I like that old lady. Oh peru yes. I love how she almost i think. Call it a pru gasm when she eats. It's so good. She's like oh that's delicious. That's absolutely scrumptious. Because there's a little old lady that gives you like side compliments. He no like double hand compliment. Was this recipe goes no. That is my old granny recipe. Oh so if you don't win. We have to blame your granny for this baker. Paul hollywood guy. He's a stern judge. He looks at the contestants with those piercing blue eyes and he's like a bit boring and you're like it it's just these soft words that means so much and i don't know if i could handle that dude good but it's over could over good over cook for being chris. Yeah they're like. I don't know if this hit the brief for being a tart the filling were very hard for a. Oh but today's episode is presented by state bags. State bags makes beautiful well-made inclusively cool products while using the power of business to give back to shift the narrative around social injustice forever. Stay bag purchase. 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It's actually not by a person by a robot and it's called inspire robot. The robot that uses ai. To take some of the wisest words known to man and mash together for really interesting quote. So i'll read this one and then we can see if it makes any sense to you fully. This week's quote from inspire bought says just because you're a butcher. It doesn't mean you should act like a weirdo inspiring. I think maybe fully bay. This might be saying. Don't let your career reflect who you are as a person totally one hundred percent because show up through the party with a bloodied t shirt. Yeah nobody nobody wants to hear about. Nobody wants to talk about knives on the work life balance. That's what it is. Okay bill butchery but they drawing aside day. Let come come with a different conversation. Yeah bunch of but also night giant perspective. That's right that's right. I like to cut into interesting subjects. Like norseman her. Britain's greatest bake off. Actually my dad me. Once when i know knucklehead he said he's you'll find a job where at the end of the at the end of the eight hours when you come home you look at your hands and you don't have to wash them to eat But you know as a comedian man. You gotta watch your hand after that microphone. You're either gonna wash your hands or they're not that dirty shit we show up to wear the has to lean. Get not chicken nuggets. I you know what being a digital marketer. My hands are pristine very clean immaculate and then just yesterday i had gotten into a tea bag or something and i saw a little dirt under my nails and i thought oh my god i'm going to have to scrub and scrub the get this out. And then i realized what a princess that i've become so i got lucky to say the least comedians as well although with cova i think everyone has to wash their hands. Don't they all right. Well this first question it comes from our fan. Joel thank you. Joe says my stepdaughter blocked me on all socials. What should i say or not say to her. At christmas i've been in my stepdaughter's license. She was nine. She's now twenty. We've always had pretty good relationship but not super close. I just found out. She blocked me from all her socials about two weeks ago. I tried to texter to ask her. Why but i'm also blocked on her phone to. We're supposed to get together for christmas. Should i say anything. What should i do. I will start all her friends one by one and tell her for all her friends that you're gonna have a surprise party for her in december the orange shows up Oh shit that's pretty good. Okay i like that. I like that do you do you think that she should say anything i do. They live together it no. It doesn't look like it. They don't live together. Maybe discipline something. Joe herman show little. And it's on sale Oh mercy screamed at her and she's gonna catch when she went to rehab now realize that is a problem to our lives. Oh shit the real toxic is the stepparent here. So y- block. do you really want to. I mean what importance is it to see your stepdaughter on social media. Is it going to give you that much joy to see what she's up to. Instead you could just talk to that person. Maybe i guess. I think they live far away. Maybe really far away. They have a relationship at that. But if you live in the same house same town air enough enough literature literally live her life. That's right yeah let if you love something let it block you on social media and if it loves you back it will unblock. You is the same joke as to say. I said that. I met my daughter on facebook. She let me accommodated when it gets a child support to block her. So maybe it's better that they stay blocked so you know if you have a stepfather while you want you. Why would you want your children social media so they could look at your tiktok video. Look how stupid is and you know. Want to hear from us but you have wanting a family member like a daughter. Go dad s stupid with the next seventy us. You know You don't want to your kids. Do they comment on your stuff on social media. No i wanna block on damage. They're really it allowed to go in about sixty bucks. Esley shit all right. We've got our last question. This one is from sandy. Founded on reddit says feels bad to end calls. I'm a shy person who was also extremely awkward in social situations. I really don't know how to keep a conversation going. So when someone calls me and talks for quite a while i start to stress myself out about how to leave the call. Sometimes i stay on the call for hours. What do i do to hang up. Just don't even say anything. I i it's more like. She's not in the conversation. I think she morning listener. So if you're a listener med. You could just start talking to. The other person will hang up on your story. So oh that's that's a good way to express yourself. Woman is shy to the big listener. So someone who very toxic Talk a lot and a lot of stuff to Unleash upon people and most of the time when people are venting for a lot of things. They're not looking for by is you're gonna say it out loud. You know about a close friend of yours tell you something deep secret or a problem with his wife anytime. You is. Confessions about how his wife. He just wants to you to listen to him. Said you don't want your advice. None of that shit. There's a lot of people make the mistake. Should kill that bitch. You know talk you know. Forget her and they don't want to hear that you know the already. They're not even thinking about stuff that you have. You know. yeah bad advice to come from a from the second person because you live with his wife. You know you don't know the relationship you don't know how you know how many times they find before i many times they made up. He's just tire event. Anyone yours brand. He wants to talk about it. That's right oh it's warmer here. Just say she's just to just dump the religions out. This is what i would do is kind of rude. But i will do this. I was at a coffee. And then i said and then start talking about aperture you initiative that confidence right our little cold but apple last week. Ooh that's all that's a nice transition damn the when are we just a year. Yeah i gotta go there you go. I was thinking one more alternative. Is you could multitask. Since they're doing all the talking. Anyway blah blah blah paul. Hollywood said my tart wasn't really tart. And i made a lot of times before i practice on tarts. I thought i hit the brief. But the brief didn't really get hit according to their guidelines. Because there just wasn't enough cream around the tart it was too tangy etc. You could be out doing your taxes or going to the supermarket doing whatever so you still appear like. You're a good friend but then you don't you don't really have to listen. And they're not gonna under. They don't really know what they're saying. Anyway so once they say it they just feel better like you said philippine. Oh i feel better. Now i vented and you're like oh. I'm glad i did everything i needed to do today. So win win. Or i'm glad you were. Because i look at look for shogo cooped. I know still car to put the body inside a haunted tell you will have to come in and cover. The event is some as getting violin. Like or i feel like my wife or i for doing some harm that when you should come in. Hey you crazy motherfucker. We're talking about but you can throw in a crazy motherfucker of the person talking about doing anything violent because we're just talking you'll at the crazy one. That vast right there are certain levels of interruption was delay ventura somebody about somebody and then you and then mom you say something crazy about the other person you said and then there are when you see a model in love. You're going to be the aso. That's right because they're venting about the person they care about. They did one bad thing then. They come back with that person and they're like oh do you know what steph and say here. Yes they were a ten times. That do look tally. It has. I was so pissed off that when it will talk to and he said i should kill your ass and now she hates you. Yeah then you're fox so just stay out of it if you wanna cough and talk about your shit. You can you crazy motherfucker. You can insert that if they start getting into violence or things like that. Then you gotta but like. Ac alko is should've told oj simpson. Yeah man i feel like killing a ba- that's right. That was the appropriate response. Instead they may have gone for a cough and then talked about their day. Yeah he a van shots knives. If only they had listened to this episode beforehand aceita jesse. Oj calm the puck down. Give those data the mike. Tha the old videos. You know mike. Tyson old might ties in twenty or mike tyson. Mike tyson which is an angel at saint. You know but dole. Mike tyson when he was like doing his little barge against the other fighter. Notice to sell tickets mike tyson. We'll take it out of hand I'm going to eat your children. If we're gonna knock you out all his friends all right here like those like twenty friends and you can see like the friends leaving little by little mike tyson. You know I'm gonna make you my badge among each joe children and he's leaving shit and then i'm gonna buy each your dick i'm gonna eat. You got you like when it got to that point. There were no friends left. You know that's gonna come in as a it goodbye to you know when the dick munching and dickie. Eating starts to mentioned. That's when you gotta 'cause earlier true homey back that up you know. Yeah you get the dick. I got the balls bro. Come on. Let's go adam like all shit mentioned like have a man next to you. We're gonna bite his dig ya. I got the bucks from walmart bits. Let's go each judy yet. And then we're go to sizzler to celebrate. We're going to fight the family over. We're all going to have a piece. We're going to eat shrimp in only one trip and plates. Use your credit card. Because i need the miles well philippi this has been extraordinary sensation thing but having been bro should absolutely tape or audio. This'll be both. It'll be a cool. The full oh looks good man man little going here hell yeah. I couldn't tell the difference. I was going to say we're going to record the the spanish version of the episode now. So if you want to keep the hat off the keep it different now. I'm kidding but i did want to ask what what have you got going on. Where can you find you. What did you got to plug. I have the eric andrea show. That's on every at midnight on sundays on adult swim at midnight. I have a movie with potty shortcut. The guest house. And oh yeah. This is the big arm. Steve burns wrote a movie directed based on his first time. Opening for a big comic is called the opener star. Starting now jimmy o yang from your valley and said you'd entertainer neal brennan russell. Whitney come means trump's gurre ally. Comedians are ended. And i count ever alert point. If you wanna go see right now. I have a small point but if you're a comedian gonna love this movie because there's a lot of comedian inside jokes and let me tell you man. These are our holy grail of your comment. You know no book nice. And there's a scene in a movie where i come back at. 'cause he forgot it this is something happened by the way i cab driver. Reach returned his cell phone and his jokes to him down. So i always tell people who play in the movie. The comedy angel. Why could that brought back. A comedian's comedy no books and his phone that ever happened to reliable. You fucking you lose this. It's oba dude in reality. The cabdriver have become the famous comedian. That would have been the turn right. Shit these guys are writing about eating children and shape go into sizzler for shrimp. What the fuck god. Well worst menu ever witnessed bros relief ever chilling material by. Ask dude something funny to this. This female comedian one time. I was here name but Should tell him you. The the worst thing that happened with a cup of the comedian. Yeah she said. I was on stage and his older comic picked up comedy. Notebook started writing on it on stage like but he found my set lists and he started tagging up every job that i did watch him. I said i said i told her. I don't give a fuck. If you're ninety become enemies in the future is. This is the only thing that will get us back together to kick puckers and then we could not be friends ever again like i get the job because nobody does shit like that and i don't know how that goes live all my god dude. That's no right. That's that's a big no no. That's all well. yeah even when. I'm in a see at a green room and somebody forgot their no book. I opened it up one time. And i see the name and i tell coming i think jerry miller left over here and the the guy in the opener but but still i wouldn't even open their did. Leave it there whenever the us back there. It is but to to to do that. Shit ball is broke seriously. All my god do not do not more. Hey that's the inspirational quote right there. I like that you know mo- another math lawn and run another person's joke book. That's right stay in your own joke book and lawn. God do well philly bay. It's oh go ahead go ahead. I'm going to be in arlington in the next week. Not this This week or next week but a bit. The legit improv takao. Okay okay awesome awesome. I'll go go. Sleep is world front nice. And i also thought you're going to be is that in texas. I saw you're going to do outdoor texas show. You have doing outdoor event at the selena re torian Wintergarden outside and it's going to be a park nine events outside event to have people sitting in Pods four For that right now. They're almost so now. Oh nice nice park to in austin. Oh cool okay nice. I'll have links to everything that you mentioned in the show notes so people can just click on over and get to it. Thanks man all right. We'll fairly pay. It's been an absolute pleasure. I hope to see you. Sometime if you ever perform in phoenix. I'd love to come see you wait. I was supposed to be there at the laugh on lower. Stand up comedy up for new year's eve but okay. There's no comedy clubs opening in phoenix. Right they've started to open up again. Yeah laugh out to laugh out loud. They have tempe improv. The of night stand up live. Yeah what the capacity of tandem lab. I think they're doing sixty percent capacity to all right. Thanks good to know. Yeah i think a key there might be some openings. Actually because they've they had some comics coming in from new york. That have had to cancel because governor cuomo said ava quarantine spot. So you gotta you gotta like stay two weeks or quarantine after you go. Let you know thank you. Yeah yeah yeah absolutely absolutely. They're nice nice aright. Well thank you so much dude. I'll see you later. Thank you very much. Thank you bye-bye but.

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Let It Roll: ICMYI - Michael Bloomfield, Monterey Pop, Electric Flag, Al Kooper's SuperSession and Tragedy

Rock N Roll Archaeology

46:36 min | 7 months ago

Let It Roll: ICMYI - Michael Bloomfield, Monterey Pop, Electric Flag, Al Kooper's SuperSession and Tragedy

"You've heard the music now. Here's the story from director frank marshall. Hbo's news documentary. The bg's how can you mend broken heart. Chronicles the highs and lows of brothers berry maurice and robin gibb and the evolution of the prolific career as the bee gees through interviews and never before seen footage discover how they navigated the ever changing music industry and complex dynamics of family and fame. Watch it now on. Hbo and hbo. Max welcome to let it roll the story of how. Why rocket all happened with edward. Nate wilcox It's time to let it roll today. Features the conclusion of our discussion of edwards book. Michael bloomfield the rise and fall of american guitar hero. Bob dylan just listed. The book is one of his favorites and a web post as always you can access our youtube playlists and learn more about the episodes on our website. Let it roll. Podcast dot com. This week edna talk about the fall of michael bloomfield. His dream band electric flag and white became a nightmare for him. The difficulties out. Cooper had in in their massively successful super session. Collaborations and bloomfield's drift away from the spotlight and final years. Pop those earbuds and enjoy welcome to let it roll podcast. This is nate. Wilcox joined again by edward for part of our conversation about his barfield. Michael bloomfield the rise and fall of an american guitar hero. At last week we talked about the rise. Today we're gonna talk about the fall although we will talk about bloomfield assembling his dream band and putting out his most popular and successful records. So it's not all decline but the narrative arc is loose downslide cut kind of a kind of a strange career are From the butterfield band on certainly. And what do you think i mean. What would you ascribe the strangeness. Well it was partially his ambivalence about being a star. I mean there was no point in history where it was easier to be exposed as a rockstar. As somebody that people should come out and see and you could tour and make a lot of money and He was really ambivalent about that later. When i interviewed him he had thought this through somewhat and had a pretty interesting insight. As far as i'm concerned he said. I'm not a beloved entertainer. A beloved entertainer is somebody who has to get out there and work they just. They aren't complete unless they're doing. Elton john is a beloved entertainer. Soapy tucker i mean she wants to leg and pretty soon she was back onstage in vegas. I couldn't do that. And i thought that was a really interesting approach to you know because i was still young kid and i thought why would anybody want to be a guitar star. You know looking eric clapton. But then of course. We see what happened eric clapton. And not not a lotta. That was pretty either. Yeah i mean. Clapton had his own baths with heroin. And we'll talk about bloomfield's heroin but first let's talk about his dream band. He had a vision for an american music band. That would play everything from stax soul to specter end to end the kansas city. Jump blues that that he loves so much. What's what how did you do that. What happened he quit he quits paul butterfield. And then how does he put together the electric flag. He had this idea for an american music fan. He had a lot of you. Know a lot of people that He knew could be honest. And so i think it was him grabbing ninety started Auditioning people and of course everybody wanted to work with this guy who was like the greatest guitar playing america so sure The though big difficulty was Getting buddy miles away from wilson. Pickett pick it was well. He always had a temper. And it wasn't helped by these white guys coming in and taking this great big teenage drummer. From buddy saw an opportunity he wanted to sing. he wanted to write material. So he He went with them and at first things were pretty easy. And you know assembling a horn section harm weren't working much in those days unless they were jazz guys are studio guys so it was pretty easy to get that whole thing together and yet from your account. The horn section is where the biggest trouble with the electric flag started several people identify. Marcus doubleday the trumpet player as a junkie right and michael was pretty much okay with that. Because you know he'd been around the blues scene and he'd seen what the reality for especially minority musicians was and he probably figured you know. Ray charles can be a junkie and and get away with it and probably some of these guys can to. He didn't look far enough into the future. Not that we should condemn for that. But he didn't really see what what could becoming and what could becoming came. Yeah i mean when you quote their road manager as saying that because albert grossman was essentially afraid of the horn section of electric flag. And that he wouldn't even stay in the same hotel with those cats. So you know and then multiple busts and sue they get busted and barry goldberg quits. The who had who had along with bloomfield and grab a nineties had put the band together you know quits and that sorta starts the personnel trained collapsing. But do you ascribe that solely to heroin or was whether other toxic elements in the mix that blue. Well for one thing that they they they never really toured. It was a it was a really big band and you know i. It's easy enough to tour trio But that also has its logistical problems. You get this gigantic band going from low paying dates low paying date. They didn't have a hit record The record company released grooving his easy Which was a perfectly fine tune but it didn't catch on. I mean it didn't chart at all It was. They had gotten off to a bad start. They had a disastrous first performance of newport Michael was just incredible. I'm sorry monterey monterey pop festival And michael was was incredibly angry. That he felt that it was premature and they. They shouldn't go on but it was just a bad start and bad start. They had a bad career short. Yeah although one of the weird things about their monterey performances that the crowd reaction was overwhelmingly positive. I mean and that's one of the things that flipped bloomfield out. Yeah well he realized jimi hendrix would soon come to realize that all these people wanted was somebody on stage making noise. I don't think that much of that response was particularly educate. It was just yeah a band yet. May and there was a lot of that. Most as you know these. These kids are high and there. There's all these people playing for. Some of them are really good and some are not but it it didn't really matter out there in the sunshine in monterey with your friends smoking joint shirt and and bluefield just couldn't handle it but before we've we've been ahead of ourselves a tiny bit because i wanted to talk about the record. Label decision like bloomfield retained. Our grossman who had managed both bob dylan and the paul butterfield. Blues band and grocery intended to sign his artists columbia records butterfield was on electric. But you know dylan was on columbia. Janice joplin and big brother would be on columbia. What you know. And you tell a tale of how atlantic and colombia where the to record companies that were most interested and from jerry wexler quote and wexler of so many tales in the music world but in this account at least according to wexler it sounds like grossman manipulated bloomfield away from atlantic by accusing atlantic of ripping off their black artists. Right and i think that's That's a very credible story I think they probably would have been better on. Atlantic jerry would probably have been able to Get the situation under control although of course Atlantic was changing a great deal in those days. But this could have been wexler 's next great project But albert was such a such a control freak. I've been reading a lot about Just the whole scene in in Woodstock and bears fill in those days and and he was a bit of a megalomania not even a bit. Yeah i mean when you love your manager. Because he's willing to fistfight. And your defense. With alamo max. There's a trade off that he's gonna be fist with other people or or lording it over people dominating. Yeah and and columbia you know I mean big brother and the holding company obviously was massively successful in columbia. But it was the death knell for other san francisco bay including one of the few that bloomfield respected moby grape. And right at and the and the producer was a mismatch counts. Had i think he'd done peter-paul mary. Gordon lightfoot which in no way prepares you to try to deal with. Something had never been done which was combining a horns section with a really loud aggressive cutting edge rock and roll guitar player. Great yeah i mean yeah i don't really think any Record company would have been perfect because the band wasn't perfect. There was a lack of thinking things out. I believe with the electric flag It was they should have had another single on deck to go once grooving. His easy failed to monitor people. Put out a first single and then a second one which would be the one that would hit. Yeah the doors famously pattern. All throughout the sixties. I've been seeing is i've been cruising through billboard for the next edition of the next volume of the record roll history And and record neighbors were okay with that they it. Wasn't you make it on your first single or we drop you easier than there. A lot less Fewer acts signed to. And you know one of the things you talk about. An is their decision to spend several weeks. Maybe in a couple of months recording the soundtrack for this Psychedelic movie that trip. How much do you feel like that. Got him off course. I think that's a valid valid question That they would just you know. Here's his new band. The just formed and that there is a specific agenda which was very song driven. You know because if you're gonna do all these different kinds of music that's your entering into a tradition that depends on song And to go to la just because you got offered a whole bunch of money and record what is essentially a bruce jam. I mean the record is almost unlistenable But there's a couple of instances in the movie where it sort of fits where it where it the background to some sort of weird vision of what a psychedelic. Experience was all about. It worked okay in the film. And there's there's the one track On the album where. There's some decent getting together you know jamming is like in the sixties in the late sixties early seventies. It was a real trap. 'cause you know you go you go and hang out with some people in play but it gets turned into a record. So you're sort of spontaneous searching around for a groove becomes locked in wax and that was a really bad idea. There's so many jam records made you know And michael was on another one which was the grape jam. disc that was included with the moby grape second album. That album makes the trip. Sounds like just incredible because yeah the moby grape jam thing. A massive disaster bloomfield plays piano on it rather than i mean the idea of jerry miller and bloomfield plane or two of the best guitars and san francisco. That's intriguing Addow cooper oh boy. But when bloomfield plays piano. It's just kinda like what is the point of that. They're you know what's the point. Well just hanging out with friends you know somebody calls you up and goes hey. Come on down to our rehearsal space jam. Maybe we can come up with something you can have a guest shot on the new record. You know that's cool Recording it and making people buy it even if it is quote unquote free with the new album. that's a disaster. I mean you listen to some of this stuff jamming with edward jones. Put out during. What's right yeah. But they didn't was that for decades not came out no no not decades. No that that came out pretty much simultaneously with the exile main street While they record it during beggars banquet so it was much later. Are you sure. What's what's yes exile. Yeah about his. That is an odd choice. But i would assume that had to do with them leaving decca and deco emptying the vaults. That's not that's not not at all not at all. It came on rolling stones records. Wow while they have that is terrible. You also think of the third. All things must pass where george harrison friends jam pointlessly for two thoughts and mar a masterpiece double album and turn it to an expensive box. Set with just deadwood but bloomfield's next move after he. He gives up on the flag which she does even before their album comes out right he was. You know all of a sudden you realize what he'd done and he'd have to tour and touring you know. It was a difficult thing for the for the flag Just because there's so many of them but also michael had his his problem with insomnia on tour and he suddenly realized that was going to happen. And he's self medicating with heroin as well. Well he was was trying all kinds of things. I mean he he had a doctor. You know prescribing sleeping tablets. The barbiturate style. Judy garland styles stuff. Right exactly what. He's very sophisticated department. Coppee back in those days. Yeah and that's brutal so he quits the electric flag and and basically sabotage any chance of the album being successful doing that. And then he's pulled into another project by al cooper with whom he'd been so successful work with bob dylan on highway sixty one and this is a jam album the super session and yet it's the most successful commercial project bloomfield ever worked on and i would argue. It's actually a record. How did that happen well. I mean jam records. Although there atrocious they were selling so coober probably figured we can get the very best guy and the level of his jamming would be higher than you know crepe jam. It was right. Yeah he was able he he and and broomfield had an actual musical connection. That was valuable to both of them. They inspired each other. And so what you hear on on michael side of the record is actually very good work because the upside of jamming is you're constantly challenged to come up with new ideas earns the next time. You're you're going through the course you play it a little differently. And and it's inspired. Go if you're a great musician you can do that and if you read. You know cooper's description in his autobiography of of his thinking behind the album. He admits to certain touchiest innocent because he'd just been kicked out of his own dream band. Blood sweat and tears and had a big contract with colombian was trying to figure out what to do next but he's also was trying to figure out what to do next. Yes invested money but cooper also has this vision of. I mean 'cause nobody knows where rock and roll is going to go at this point i mean there's there's obviously a lot of directions going and cooper looks back to will watch the last really great american musical movement and its jazz and in jazz. It's like get the best players together. Cut a session. And so this idea that rock music might become an improvisational art form and might become an interpretive art form where you cover other people's songs rather than right in your own. Nobody knew that wasn't going to be the case in nineteen six a and so you know and to me it's fascinating. The part of the fascination of the super session album is this question of why did rock and roll not become jazz. Rock and jazz obviously got very intertwined in the seventies with miles davis and weather report john mclaughlin and the mall his new orchestra etcetera etcetera. And some pretty interesting things were done. But that's not where rock and roll went. That's not where music when it followed. The beatles dylan self contained songs. The rockford companies had an investment in that As far as writing your own songs that they they were always invested the publishing so they made money that way. as as far as Other sources of income Single was still possible. You know the the the poppet and soft rock was was really the biggest money maker but it was also possible that some of these some of these harder rock bands would would score a hit. Single guilt get up into the top. Ten and a lot of them did so that was where the record company wanted to Wanted to focus its energy. They weren't into people covering other people's music or or Nice instrumental music that that didn't seem to be what the audience wanted. Also the fm rock stations were on the rise and they had their own view what a hit was and it was about original music. Yeah and and yet super session hits the perfect time and goes gold. But that's part of bloomfield's problem with it but we haven't even talked about the recording of the album when bloomfield rox out after one day. Yeah he he went back to his hotel. Couldn't sleep when had to hell with it jumped on a plane home. Cooper wakes up the next day and there's a note on uh michael's door at the hotel. Sorry you know. I went home and cooper's panicking because the record company has heard about this project and they put money into it although not much because it wasn't an expensive thing it was just jamming record it and that's it so he had to look around and find another guitar player pronto. Then he was. Yeah he was lucky is in l. A. and stephen stills was there but right and stills in cooper i you know i go back and forth. I was talking to a friend of mine that who is is a professional player here in austin and he was saying you know the he thought bloomfield realized he couldn't follow up on the implications of what he had done. And that the sort of splashdown effect of stephen stills and al cooper jamming on things like it takes a lot to laugh. It takes a train to cry and Donovan susan the witch and other things added pop element that really put the album for the top. That's a good argument. I hadn't thought about that but the other thing was. I believe if michael insane another day that that cooper could have gotten more great work out of him you know maybe not on the second day but on the third day and and cooper i guess because the album is so successful goes back again to work with bloomfield and books some high profile shows at the fillmore with the different rhythm section. But you know to be recorded for a double album double live album. The live adventures bloomfield a cooper and once again bloomfield shows up and his brilliant for half the scheduled time and that he would do. Because there's a quick drive into the city you know. It's like thirty minutes including time to park so he was a lot more amenable to that. I thought it was east and he was. He was awake for five days straight or something. That's what they say on the record. Anyway that he collapsed took was hospitalized because he just couldn't sleep on the road that would make sense. That would make sense. I it makes less sense. He would fly to new york to recreate a project he wasn't really into but there's probably money coming in from i remember was it cooper. Bloop said he walked into the record store and just up coast to copy. Yeah a super session flying across the counters and he went and that response always for career like out cooper. He's not ashamed to admit that that's what he was talented also had assigned the bottom line. I mean i. It's interesting that he realized that there were going to be repercussions of that album being more successful than i mean wildly successful beyond their while streams right. That wasn't the idea. The idea was just to you. Know help him. And michael wood their problems with columbia. Yeah i think. I think also an element of how do i get something out of bloomfield. I mean i feel like cooper really felt that that there was a risk of bloomfield's talents going to waste and and what's the easiest thing we can most low key easiest thing we can get him into and and craig good work and you know. I think the live adventures is quite enjoyable. The rhythm section's pretty weak. But you know the version of the fifty ninth street bridge song. Which paul simon added background vocals to in the studio later. That's pretty powerful stuff. And i feel like deep. Purple was listening closely to this combination of loud screaming lead guitar and heavy organ and that the sound it wasn't just a one offer a dead end. I mean this is something that had a huge influence on rock and roll. People were paying attention but once again flakes. After one day and cooper again scores he gets off and bishop but he also gets carlos santana to play live and the santana portions album perfect. It's a pretty good record for jam record i. It's been so long. I may not have made it through both l. Both records on that set because my interest was very definitely elsewhere back. Then yeah. I have heard the edits that Cooper did on the box set and you know they're okay for jamming but is another time and place to comment on that and purple at all. Well semi was a missed missed out there. Although again i can certainly see not being in deep purple date. They start a whole strange strand of rock and roll Prog rock and and leads into the whole elves in which is a school that it's pretty silly but a lot of kids have had a lot of fun with anyway back to bloomfield cooper. This album i mean they get norman rockwell to paint their portrait on the cover so there's bloomfield sits down for that and i mean that's over the top rockstar. Share right there. Oh yeah but everybody was doing it so why not yeah. It's just funny. That bloomfield is so tortured by this stuff and yet he keeps going back for bites from the goal. Know the poisoned apple. Or whatever. I know i mean he doesn't. He hasn't come into a routine up there in his house in mill valley and and he probably felt that he really well he did money to columbia and i know you probably still being managed by grossman so there was a lot of pressure eight. Oh well you know i. I should really do this all. They're asking you to do your car. I don't have to write songs. I don't have to deal with other people. Except for cooper who i already know. So why not. Yeah it was easy enough and at an it produced the most popular successful work of his career. And yet it becomes this albatross around his neck in you. Tell the story in the book. Ten years later he's touring italy and trying to do kind of a wry cooter thing that's low key blues doing the music he really loves and yet you know he goes all the way to italy and fans are still screaming for albert shuffling stuff off the super session so ogden for the rest of his life. Well yeah i mean and he never really took responsibility for having created this monster and he never came up with an acceptable replacement for even more importantly so he. You know he hit. He'd made this thing and it was gonna follow him around forever unless he replaced it with something else which he did. Yeah and he nick. Gravity's do a pair of albums for columbia eighties. Might labors and a live album live at. The fillmore was bloomfield. That's got some great work. I mean blues on the west side. That's just got an incredible guitar solo and and my labors if you like revenue dis And he's a good songwriter. But my favorite people in this whole story is a a really deeply soho man. And he's moral and he's got just integrity. The was who is a gifted songwriter. Great songs for tennis. Stop on many others and the paul butterfield. Blues songs blue ban signature song born in chicago. I for that for grabbing eighties greg composition. But be that as made those albums were pretty clearly contract fillers from bloomfield's perspective and a way to get out of the rockstar machinery. And there was that other one. It's not killing me which is not good. That's just awful but you know. He owed them albums so he gave them albums. And what are they gonna do. I mean here's here's a piece of product that you can put the name of michael bloomfield on and somebody's going to buy it 'cause they're all hoping that you know the life changing guitar. Solo is going to be on this record. it's not but Hey columbia's fault yeah. And and and i really wonder if there wasn't element of bloomfield put in his career to sleep with that album. Really didn't want to be a rockstar anymore. So yeah i think so. Time has the came out. He he was he was palling into the you know hanging out at home mode pretty heavily. Yeah and your account of his lifestyle in mill valley it's not as dire as some rockstar falls. I mean partly because of his income from his record royalties but also because of his trust fund. Which every few months. He will get a fairly sizable check from his family. Family trust allowed him to live. You know basically middle class lifestyle of reading novels all day watching. Tv is guitar in the evening. If he wanted to and he you his ex wife was living with him and he had friends living with them so he had kind of sort of the king of court and it doesn't sound that bad. There's this guy named dan mccloskey i. I knew He was a friend of john ward And he was. You know this this kind of never. She very earnest Guy who was A stereo equipment salesman. He had to see michael one time and they got the talk. He's you know. I've got tarver dan. I wish i could learn how to play guitar in the way you do. Just because it seems to be more. Like what i wanna do. I'm a big lou's fag. Lots of records at home and and michelson. Well you know. Come on up to the house. You live here in oakland. Come on over the middle. Golly we can we can just like jamming. The living room danny goes well. I mean come on over so he did and size plan rhythm he says. Go ahead play lead dan. He's like. Oh i don't do it come on so did and he was terrible and michael then says okay you play really. Let me show you something. And he did and he sort of took the ideas that dante had played and turn them into michael bloomfield music. He says. now it's your turn and game but looking at his fingers and went. Yeah okay. I see so. He executed something. There was a lot closer to it. Michael had done and then it just got fluid and at the end mike led to do something else or these. I'm going to throw you out. I want you to come back a lot of fun. And then he was like. Wow just imagine that this guy is this major rockstar enjoyed playing with me so he did come back a couple more times and eventually he did a long interview with him on the radio and that was kinda guy michael was i. I ran into him. I did was. I ran into him at a record store Village music the world's greatest record store which was in downtown valley. We both reached for the same album. Same time the barbara. Lynn album on atco. And i said i've been looking that for a long time and blue boza. Our so of. I you gotta give this to me. 'cause i'm mike. You're not no argument. I thought i. Hey i saw so it was like okay but and i yelled over to john goddard. The owner said john. The next one of these that comes in its mind. Set it aside laughing his head off. Michael is there a lot and so he said okay. Hey i worked for cream magazine. i'd like to do an interview with you. They said sure. Come on up to the house. That was all the formalities. I need there's no manager involved or there was a manager that quite toby byron but He wasn't He wasn't a kind of Albert grossman michael didn't feel he had two passes by you you to do an interview with me. Sure come so i did. We had a wonderful afternoon and captured some really really. Poignant statement from him. I wanna read this. I flagged it because you know reading about his life and how you know comparing it with somebody like iggy pop or wayne kramer who were heroin. Rock and roll casualties around the same time and just living in abject squalor and misery bloomfield setup doesn't sound so bad but then you read the statement he gave you and he says i would like to put out a record that had the sounds on it though. Sounds in the air and i will. Oh if i could only do just one. That would make me. As proud as the beatles probably were with sergeant pepper or jimi hendrix was with access or i was with the first butterfield album and it fades away and you say he thought i didn't hear the pain in his voice that i missed his brushing tears from his eyes he was wrong. And that's just heartbreaking. Yeah that was you know it was like. I know i can do this but i can't. There's no advice on earth that you could give this man that would make him perk up ago. Oh great idea. Now he was. He was really locked into the demons. And at that point. I didn't see a way out and there as it turned out there would be a way out. He made some more good records and he made one particularly good one. If you love these blues play as you please. Which was an instructional. He did for guitar player magazine that as an album. I've i've enjoyed for thirty years because my big brother was as subscriber to guitar player magazine and we had the cassette around the house. And there's something just really sweet and genuine about it and you really. What comes through is his love for american music and his left for about american music right. Which is what he did with danny. Yeah and to me. It's just so heartbreaking at a person like this with these gifts who wants to share them in an unassuming way he did not want to get rich and famous from this. He did not want not able performer. Yeah but that there was no channel. I think i think had lived longer that there would have been channels for for that kind of expression especially since he was basically clean towards the end of his life with one hand. Tragic exception there at the end. We don't know what happened that night. We don't even know where it happened. Yeah his body was found in his mercury under a freeway overpass any was full of meth and cocaine which were not his drugs of choice and somebody with a bad problem. Not sleeping is not going to Go after those drugs. I'm sorry. Yeah those those are not drugs. He needed he needed downers because he was already. I i read a quote from some Think goes mark nathan. Said you know michael's brain was on fire and that's what made it so great. But he couldn't what what interviewing him. It was like. You know just trying to keep up with them because ideas were constantly coming into his head and they weren't even musical ideas. I gotta help me. If i tried to play guitar with him. Yeah and so you really feel for somebody who's got this talent and this mind that he just can't capture and channel and you know spends. It wasn't a complete burnout though. I mean he did produce a lot of records and he did tour and perform throughout the seventy s but it was very low key with played a lot in the bay area. I mean there's one album is never it wasn't reference for the box set and it is just one of his best live at the old waldorf which was a a club that I guess by the time. Michael played and recorded this was under the thumb. Bill graham But it was. It was really nice little clubbing. And this was a document of what you could see the new orleans fashioned berkeley or the lion. Share up in san anselmo you know when michael bloomfield and friends had a gig And it is high level basic. Lose really wonderful record and that's was fairly lateness career. I wonder why that was never reissued. I don't know. I think because. His light period discography. There's just so much of it and it's a mess you know Rights like trying to retry. It also could be the toby byron on that record and He out cooper to put it mildly. They don't get along. Yeah and that's and that's too bad but it does seem pretty clear that bloomfield still had it from at least the accounts of his last performance with bob dylan which you tell the story of bob dylan and maria dr climbing and bloomfield's window right. Yeah to get him out to To play at dylan show at that theater owner. The can't remember the name of the theater on market street there. But graham also had appar- awhile and you know the next night. Bloomfield shows up at the theater in his slippers. Right but with this guy our yeah and plays a great set but doing had to introduce him audience. 'cause that's how bad the gotten nobody. There knew who this weird looking guy with all the hair was but once they heard him play they realized. Oh yeah yeah and ready to do it and one incident. You don't talk about. But but according to another interview. I read recently with bloomfield. Donut actually approached him about playing on The blood on the tracks album and bloomfield just couldn't connect with him. He felt like dylan was too much of a rockstar and there was too much of a wall and he didn't understand the new music any more than he had understood the stuff on highway. Sixty one so you know. Probably afraid of being asked to be in dylan's tour ban because he didn't have one at that point yup and and so you know it's another you know what if but it's when you when you said that your response to bloomfield saying i wanna produce another great album but i can't was my first thought was what if somebody great you know one of his peers or somebody even slightly better than him like dylan or cooper clapton. It's showed up and said hey man. I really need you on this. But as it turns out dylan try and it just couldn't come together. And so i mean i think you know summing up though it's easy for us who never made any great music too tight about bloomfield's miss opportunities or bemoaned albacete did make. I think the more important thing is to treasure what he did give us which is a pretty respectable body of work and the other artists that he inspired with. That work are endless. I mean the guy basically rock guitar. Yeah yeah out of blues but he also like adding other metals to an ally to make the finished product stronger he. He gave it something that people could carry on without being. You know like these endless british blues bands were happening in the early seventies. You know that was just imitation. 'field gave electric guitars a gift of a new way of approaching music and Poaching rock guitar and taking it out and lose but they very very important. Yeah and smart ones do that. Yeah and without bloomfield. Now eric clapton. 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Rock Mag '95 - Ep448

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Rock Mag '95 - Ep448

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It was like a family reunion or the first day of school. It was very different. Nice to be around. So many people a little weird at the same time but Had a blast ty tyson leslie had over one hundred musicians participate and he'll do it again for us in august. Nice in case you don't know what rare hair is. Rare hairs were tasting. Leslie will put together these shows and he will find all kinds of different musicians and partner them up with each other and they will do awesome rock songs. So when you're talking about and pod weekend while there's a lot of really cool rockers in town and you just never know who you're going to see up on the stage odds are it's going to be some rock and pied guests up there doing some very special one of a kind once in a lifetime performances you can be there to witness it and if that awesome enough which it is but not for rock and pod weekend. There's more the big debut of resist and bite resistant bites a band. We've had him on the show before we had a good time talking to them. Because it's tommy skiavo's ban. That's right the old guitar player from tesla. He's got a new band. It's called resistant bite. They're freaking awesome and they're going to be bust all their new tunes for us. Basically the debut of the ban live that night friday night. That would be a great weekend party in itself but no there's more because when that's over you can go back to your hotel room which hopefully you're smart you went to rock and pop dot com. Got yourself a hotel room in with the rest of us. There's a rock block of hotel rooms where we're all staying together. You want to be a part of that party. You get yourself a hotel room. It's going to be great. You go back a nice brest. Wake up in the morning. Now it's time for the main event rock and pied twenty twenty one. We've got so many awesome guests. Come in we're going to have vendors. They're going to have albums. Cds t shirts posters all kinds of cool stuff and it's all geared towards rockers. yet this is nashville tennessee. But you're not gonna find any country stuff at rockin pods so if you've got something missing from your collection and you can't find it anywhere pretty good chance you're probably gonna find it and some other things that you didn't even know about that. You just got to have it. It's going to be a rock and pied plus the guests man. Tell him who's coming. Oh god there's so many people coming we've got like let me touch on some of the some of the main ones to start off with You know we're doing rock mag and that's an established for the rock magazines. Bill if you grew up with mtv. You'll recognize these names. Mark goodman one of the original vj's req- rachman who head bangers ball matt penfield hosted hundred and twenty minutes and did so many other things All three of them are gonna come. They're going to meet fans they're gonna do a panel about their timing. Mtv also our good buddy. Ron keel is going to be there performing the night before and also being at the expo. Billy sheehan for mr big david lee roth band Of course resistant bite. We'll have a table there. Don jamieson from that metal. Show greg. Gas courtney cronin dole. Who's our good friend Roxie blue is gonna be there and they're going to perform acoustically Ace von johnson from la guns and faster pussycat pamela debar. Who wrote i'm with the band. You know very famous groupie. And she's a podcast as well We'll have three members of except christopher philip and martin the bass player the the talisman which includes ryan jeremy information frailties band. That just got announced opening rows cooper. They're going to perform acoustically Also jason bieler from saigon kick is coming back paul taylor from winger. I had Announced anthony quarter before but now found out that the entire band tour is going to be. They're also sweet. I'm excited to see them. And then there's more walter egan's coming back this year. He was at the first rock and pod. Just tons of people. And i've got a few more guests up my sleeve that i'm going to announce soon and Yeah it's gonna be a lot of people are in. It should be a whole lot of fun. That's right so there you have all the rock and also we're going to supply the pod because we've got podcasters that love rock music from all over the entire country coming to nashville at weekend beyond site. You can watch your favorite podcast interview. One of your favorite rock stars. You can stand there and watch it happen. No one says he can't. You can do it. You can talk to favorite podcasters. Buy him a beer. Hang out with them. Tell them how much she loved the show you know. Spend time with the people that spend time in your ears every single week. Because they're going to be there. Live and in person including aachen pod. Twenty twenty one. That's right including the decibel geek podcasts. And we're counting on seeing a lot of our friends there because we are here to party with you. Yeah we're going to be putting in the work that we can to make sure everybody's having an awesome time but don't mistake we are here to party and that's what we're going to do as well so rock and pop dot com. That's where it's all at. That's where you get your hotel room and find out about who's all going to be there. It's going to be awesome. I mean. Chris has already announced so many awesome people going to be there. I know just like every other year right up to the last minute. He's got tricks up his sleeve. This guy up to the last minute. But we'll see i mean but you'd never know who's gonna show up. I mean th th. There's always people that there's people that aren't re- actually guests. That are famous. That i just end up walking in so you never know because when you got all these awesome rock stars they're awesome. Rock stars. live here nashville. And they might say. Oh my old friend. Billy sheehan is going to be at this thing. I'm going to come out and go say hi to him. You know it's like that one year we're standing around there's raven they weren't announced to be there. They were playing a show that night and so they just showed up to come say hi to everybody and hang on a good time so i mean that's perfect example right there. You just don't know who's going to be there. Even the people that aren't on the guest list are worth meeting. And plus you get to hang out with all kinds of rock-n-rollers everybody's there for the same reason to celebrate rock music and to have a good time and i promise. I promise you that you will have a good time at rockin pie this year so join us for the party. The summer rock and pod dot com. That's all your information. You ready to pick your magazine. Yeah let's do it. What do you got. What are we doing we are going to do. The may nineteen ninety. Five is of metal edge magazine man. I loved metal edge magazine. When i was a kid man. There was a good period in my life. Where i always made sure i had the money one way or another no matter what i had to do to get the new metal edge magazine because i mean back then the internet snidey five. I mean that stuff really wasn't happening yet you know so it wasn't like you could just go online and see you know the latest concert photos or you know. Hear the latest stories in the world of rock. You know you had to wait until a magazine came out. So you could get all your information about the latest happenings. There was no podcasts. Not nineteen ninety five. Not that i'm aware of anyway And so you know. Metal edge was probably my favorite one because it was quick and it seemed like they were on the case and they had all the information about all the bands. I mean even in ninety five when things are starting to change you know. Music is different. I mean even you look at the cover this got aerosmith bon jovi skid row megadeath. Kicks is even on here. Queen's reich extreme but you also got eddie vedder on here and you also got soundgarden garden so interesting time for rock magazines and rock music in general because things are kind of on the change a little bit you go. Three killer centerfolds aerosmith van halen and s t p. Yeah i this is an interesting want to go over because for me personally may of ninety five. That was the month that i graduated high school. So it's a kind of interesting to think back on that time in what was popular at the time and also what wasn't popular but like this is metal. Alleged did take a bit of a downturn after this because they they started going you know trying to keep up with the joneses. Where in this magazine you've got kick still getting you know coverage and you've got you know some you've got some of our favorites tesla's still getting coverage in here. Jackal is also. But they didn't move away from a lot of these bands pretty shortly after the after around this time. Yeah i do. Remember the point when the rock magazines weren't quite as fun as they used to be. Yeah it's interesting hodgepodge in this issue too because you've got the garage and you've got metal and you've got some of the skid row aerosmith bon jovi that you know were the mainstays that made it through. But it's the trickster and ugly kid. Joe get mentioned on the cover of this thing so it's an interesting mix of bands. This should be a fun one to go through. I'm almost ninety. Nine percent certain that i had this magazine because i woulda been outta high school for a year means. I was working at means. I had money. That means i was buying metal edge. I think still had a subscription around this time. So i'm sure i had it to some of the pictures. Look very familiar to me. Who's got money for milk. I need the new metal edge magazine. We're adults now. All right all right i guess. Let's flip this thing open since we already got the teaser. What's going on what we're going to see. And what's the first thing we got here. It's a single page pinup of slash can tell. That picture was taken by nils lows. Our yeah yeah. He took a lot the he took a lot of shots on the roof of his photography. Studio and i can tell that throw it was taken. Okay right on c. Nine thousand nine hundred five was slash on drugs. Probably still at that point. Looks like it definitely looks like it. Look at the next page. Oh the complete total opposite that. It's bon jovi in church yeah. I don't know what this picture. That's the he John after he cut his hair and he's wearing like a some kind of vest and blue jeans he's like i need something pretty in the background. I love the. I actually really enjoy. Bon jovi's output musically at this point but boy. It was not a good look for him. Well he was trying to kind of distance himself from everything that had come before. you know. Bon jovi they were the kings of the pinups. You know specially jon bon jovi because the girls loved him so much because he had such sappy ballads and things like that that you know. The chicks were huge into bon jovi. But you know it was the big giant hair and all that you know he. They were the epitome of the eighties. Really but by ninety five you know. Some of these bands had to kind of change their style in order to keep up with the new thing coming on even though you know grunge in bon jovi are vote. Polar opposite is get but you know they are trying to be relevant. I guess what's more what makes you stand out and be more relevant nineteen ninety-five then cutting off your long hair. Yeah metallica was soon to follow. Look we're hip and cool. Well let's go to the next page. Here's a couple of dudes at won't cut their hair. And they're looking pretty damn cool in this photo talking about the one and only gene simmons and paul stanley look gene simmons wearing a shirt of his favorite rock artist himself. Right around the time they were making carnival. Soul sure gladwin kiss. Started looking cool again. You know longtime really easy to be the kiss fan because like all my like the same old story all your friends start getting into megadeath and pan tara and slayer and stuff like that and so the way kiss was looking crazy nights era. You know doesn't really stand up to stuff like that but in ninety five and kiss looking pretty awesome. They got the leather jackets. You know they're not all pastels and neon colors and you know these looking like a metal band here. I like that. They were changing with the times too But thankfully they they did it the right way. Yeah how awful. With paul stanley and gene simmons would have cut their hair in ninety five. That would have been strange. Really strange kiss never cut their hair. Let it be written. Why don't we go to page eight. Where they have a Skid row in vancouver article about them recording subhuman race and. This is a polarizing record for a lot of skid. Row fans i I know some people love it and some people hate it. I'm not. I'm kind of inbetween. I don't really love it much But i'm not i'm overall. I'm not a big fan of this album. what about you. it's not my favorite skid row album by no means. But i mean what you got three to choose from from the original lineup but when it came out i didn't feel any differently about it. You know it seemed like it was a progression from the first the debut album the self titled to a little bit heavier with slave to the grind and then i thought this one took it even heavier but still did some of the same stuff like they did on slave to the grind. Where if they did have a song that was kind of balaji. It was still pretty deep in heavy in. Its own way. you know. it's not like you know. I remember you. You know the in on slave to the grind. The ballots became deeper. You know what i mean. Yeah and i think they kinda followed that with some human race. I loved subhuman race when it came out and not as much as the first two specially not as much slave to the grind which to me is one of the all time greatest albums of all time so human race doesn't really stand up to that you know still a great album packed full of great songs. One thing i didn't like about those i was. I remember when they were making it. And they had mentioned that. Bob rock was gonna come in and produce and i was excited. Because of everything he'd done with you know motley crue and metallica but didn't really like his production work on this record. I don't think it sounds as it certainly doesn't sound anywhere near as good to me. Production-wise as what michael did with With the first records. But you got to remember. Michael wagner told us the same thing around this time everybody i mean everybody even is he said i want to sound more like soundgarden you know. And i think that's kind of production you get on skid row's subhuman race where i don't know it lacks the punch that slave to the grind head for sure but the songs were good. I dunno skirrow was one of those bands. It's too bad. They couldn't survived it. They were one of the bands that i thought for sure would because they had kind of a street cred too on where you know somebody that was independent tara or megadeath or slayer would say fuck motley crew. Fuck kiss fought. Poison i role. They're pretty cool. I i i like skid row. You know so. They always had that kind of they were still edgy enough and not over the top glam where they were still acceptable because they were still heavy role was a damn heavy band especially you listen to subhuman race. Some of the guitar work on there is right creep up to thrash metal. Almost yeah i mean they would kind of get a pass from a lot of people from being part of that era but but yeah in a in a thing where you credibility wise i think they got more of a pass especially because of how they did slave to the grind where they went heavier with it but You know it's an interesting period of time and everything seems all cool in the gang and this article but As we all know the ban was falling apart at this point at least with with Sebastian bach so even if skirrow would've survived the great purge of the nineties. The band itself won't to survived. So i mean i guess you get what you get either way but there's a lot of it's a. It's a very extensive article in a lot of good pictures of the band working on the record. So it's it's worth looking at And then i noticed you go to page t and You've got to add for scott. Call your the drummer for brother cane for ad for pearl drums. that's i. br. I loved brother came back in this time. Me too. they were so good. And they were from birmingham alabama. I believe they were kind of southeastern ban. Of course damon. Johnson's been on the show before. But this was around. This was about a year after. I saw them open for kiss at the gibson guitars show and brother. Cain was banned. You know even at this time. I mean they were getting airplay. They had hit songs. Rock was still. You know 'cause there was a big divide. You know there really was. There is the people that were loyal to what had come before you know everything that led up to this point and then there was the the people at jumped off of that stuff and are like no. I don't like those bands no more now. I like this. You know and i was always one that stuck with what i liked. You know. it didn't matter to me if it was popular or people thought it was cool or whatever but there was a lot of bands that was resistant to that. Were new and coming out. But i mean there was no denying soundgarden. There is no denying alison chains. And when i hear brother cane on the radio okay. I like this. You know there. You can't hate the new stuff. That's why. I can never understand people like oh i liked that yesterday but i don't like it anymore but now i like this and if you don't like this then you're you know you're stuck in the eighties. I used to hear that shit. All the time aaron. You're stuck in the eighties i liked. I like you know like brother cane some of these new bands and brother. Cain was kind of in between you know they were. They were kind of a throwback to the seventies seventy southern rock sounding. Yeah so it wasn't lake brother. Cain was grunge rock or anything at all. They were something way different. And maybe that's why they didn't last maybe as long as they should've because they were so different that it wasn't something that you could say. Oh this is trending you know. This is what's cool. This is because they. They were as good as they were and like. I said they had some hit singles that we're getting played on the radio. That's where i. I heard them and they were different. You know you couldn't lump them in with anything. So i know maybe that's why they kind of got forgotten a little bit. We'll go to page fourteen. The date and fifteen is like a alive and kickin section. And this was you know. This was a cool little feature in metal edge especially in the eighties because it was like all these great glam out bands and everything looked pretty uniform. This does not look uniform. This shows how much of a transitional time it was when you look. Who's in this. Yeah he got eddie vedder. Jon bon jovi steven tyler. There's my man gilby clarke and some guy named slash aerosmith dating change at all. They look just the same as they ever did. Oh yeah then you got weiland from sewn double pilots and day mustang for megadeath and rob zombie and won't janey lane for more and and it's tough in nineteen ninety-five in a magazine. Nice now you know. You're reading metal edge. Jerry miller always treated those those guys really good at. They were hard working. Mother truckers out. There you know trying to make it happen. They were scratching and clawing at something trying to make it big. And you gotta believe that. Jerry miller you know maybe reluctantly you know said okay. Well we gotta have stone temple. Pilots got pearl jam because the shit so popular. You know but i still love bands like guns and roses and tough and warrant. You know so they got a place here too but if you look at this i mean you think ninety five. That's so weird stone. Tell pilots megadeath white zombie warrant and tough like an identity crisis magazine a little something for everybody. I guess that's wild here. Candlebox pride and glory pandera jackal and testament. and zack. wild with no facial hair. that's going back a ways. Yeah yeah wow yeah. He's so young. Wow it's a it's an interesting mix of people and then of course. The next page is a Advertisement for peavey electronics. Eddie van halen standing on top of his fifty one. Fifty amplifier and Strange time for eddie. Van halen looks wise. He chopped all his hair off around this man. That's you know and you look back on that. That was kind of a big deal was. We're people getting their haircut up to this point. Who was like. I'll never cut my hair. You know it was like a badge of honor. I'm a you can look at a person and tell their rock and roller because they have long hair. Then all of a sudden you know you look at van halen right here. I mean he's got its it's short you know he's got really short hair and it's like i remember because i was still pretty young. You know figure eighteen years old. Yeah nineteen maybe yeah may yeah would have been turning nineteen so to me. Having long hair was still a badge of honor. You know you you kinda head have long hair because you wanted to be known as a rocker. It's like wait a minute. You know all these people that you looked up to thought you know. These guys are rock and rollers mom and dad and they'd never cut their hair. And i wanna hearing like this guy and all that and then all of a sudden wait a minute. All my heroes. That i thought were steadfast. Rockers are now all of a sudden all cut their hair off what the hell is happening. A weird eddie went from looking like the ultimate guitar hero to looking like the guy that changed the carburetor on my car. Yeah like a mechanic in this picture. Strange times man ninety five while and then the next pages of a very long article interview with david ellison from megadeath When they were touring touring behind euthanasia. Ninety five if i'm correct there's some long-haired rockers for you yeah. They kept their look for the most although they changed a little bit around the risk record but not too much. Yeah a little advertisement here for elliot. Guns vicious circle. Yeah i was wondering what you're gonna think of that. That's pretty cool man. I mean i was excited for it. I don't know how many other people in ninety five or really excited for new. La guns album but if they weren't they missed out because the killer album says crime in la just went up gotta love it polly door. Put that album out. I know who put that record out. Whoever would ninety five. That's a real bummer. Because you know people were big fans of guns in the late eighties. And now today they're pretty damn popular again. But in the ninety s i mean. Nobody was buying these albums. Especially knowing that you know this was still. This was filling tracy on this so yeah there is a lot of delusion of la guns. Because what tracy had done was getting new singers and you know trying out different things especially at weird ass american hardcore album and trying to be paying tara and things like that but if you're a fan of the old school elliott guns you ought to check out this one and man in the moon is another really good one. There is a handful of albums in the nineties. That elliott guns came with that. Were really really good. These see on this. On this advertisements entering says produced and engineered by jim wirt and but it says crystal is the song produced and recorded by michael james jackson. Oh wow from kiss fame. that's weird. I wonder why he only produced the one song on the album. I don't know it's interesting. And then it says for more information right hollywood. Vampires has sunset boulevard address and then it says or dial up america online Yeah america online. Yeah ninety five. It's just all starting to happen the very beginning of the internet right there well. Here's a nice pitcher queen's reich look at jeff tate. He looks so clean and proper with his nice haircut. What's wrong with these guys. You looks like he's ready to go to a stock traders meeting. Yeah man. I hated that that bothered the shit out of me when i was that age. And you know i guess it's because i'm young at that time but if ace fairly cut his hair. I had been horrified. I think everyone would have been horrified. I can't imagine ace short hair. That's got to be a weird well. I guess he did it and around the elder but he was wearing makeup around that time. Yeah yeah they queens. it was. This run promised land came out. I think yeah. I think this is around. The time promised land came out and and i tuned out on this band raw. Pretty much right away when this record came out. I just didn't like it and i really like much sense. It be honest with you. like woah. can't rock that hard deci got a haircut. Although i think he was still just pulling his long hair back all maybe like back. Ponytails times with geoff. Tate's weird bird so then you've got a advertisement for six metallica special magazines that tells you how big they were remember all those get them now before they also cut their hair. Oh too late. They did so. Let's check out the metal wire before we get into the metal wire. I dislike to put this altered listeners. That were around in ninety five and before. Was it as weird to you as it was to me to see all your favorite rockstars cutting their hair or was it no big deal. I mean looking back now. I say well i mean they're still the same guys. They still rock. They just got their haircut. Who cares but at the time it was really weird to me. And i really really didn't like it. It seemed like selling out for a rock star. You know somebody that you're you love and respect to cut their hair so in the comment section for me. Because i'm curious to know. Am i crazy or were you guys feel in the same way about this. I'd really like to know that. I felt the same way you did. Yeah i didn't like it either. I was like you're supposed to look like a rock. I have your hair long. And it seemed like betrayal. I mean i know that sounds silly now as an adult but at the time it felt like i don't know like selling all like betrayal to me. I don't know of this on the medal while first thing. Could zack wild. Be joining guns n. roses well. We know that didn't happen. Yeah i don't even remember that rumor. I don't remember ever hearing that either. Somebody with the management had confirmed that he was jamming with. Dnr that's interesting. I guess this would have been around this time that it's five o'clock somewhere come because that's you get the picture. Gilby clarke jamming with slash. That must've been them doing shows off of that album so that would have been on the time like a downtime for guns and roses so maybe axle was out trying to find a replacement for them. Yeah they did a And there's a photo slayer here holding gold albums. Says they celebrated the solid gold sales of of their four album catalogue. Four million records total at a party. Thrown by american recordings at hollywood's magic castle right and then they broke out The knives and they sacrificed goat but Here's to a million more. And then i was a little thing on slaughter slaughter has signed with cmc international records and we'll issue fear no evil on april eighteenth. Tough times man that's emc they. They release a lot of albums by bands. That i guess were considered to be washed up at that time but i still bought all those elms all the weird warrant albums that came out after their heyday slaughter albums this fearless evils. Pretty good album. Yeah it just got Our friend jason her new host the kiss my collectibles. He does that Kiss my wax records because he works in the record industry and they just Announced that they read it out like a re release of fear no evil on vinyl with like a booklet and everything that's cool. I can't imagine there were too many vinyl copies of that made in ninety five. I don't know if there were any back then probably not might have just been cd but Yeah it's out on vine pretty cool looking package. They put together. So if you're gonna that record you might want to buy it. That's the other thing too. You got to remember in nineteen ninety-five. Lp's dead like they would tell you lp's over they're never gonna come back. They're never gonna be popular again. Boy were they wrong. Yeah and they were. There wasn't a lot of people buying them. And i i think it was ninety five when sound gardens down on the upside came out and i bought it on vinyl and i i still had a record player at the time and i don't know why i wanted to buy it on vinyl because i really wasn't even using my record player and i think i just this is like this looks cool. I'm going to buy vinyl just to be weird. And i wound up selling it for like four times. What i paid for a few years ago. Yeah yeah because. I know nobody else bought it. Everybody was buying. Cd's breaks even back then in like ninety five if you had a record collection and you said okay. I'm not doing this no more. There's no point in having a record collection. Because i mean when i was young everybody knows the story. I got my uncle. Bruce's lp's kiss records and so that was my thing. He was like my collection. So when something new would come out. I want to get it on. Lp and then it got to the point where it was like you know. I don't even know if i can get this on l. p. so i kind of had to give it up and at the wrong time if you said okay well. I'm going to take mile record collection. I'm going to take it to the used album store and trade him in and get some cd money. Give you shit for the. Lp's that's they was. It was considered dead. Yeah get laughed out of the store man. I wish i had a stack of those albums. Now to go cash. In now as i wouldn't be cashing them in i'd keep it An article on lita ford with an about an album. She made called black. That was released on z. Y. x. records from germany. Do you remember this record. I don't. I don't have any memory of this album at all. I need to check it out. Yeah that might be something weird that maybe we never really heard about in the states but then again one thousand nine hundred five so you know not a lot of people were probably excited about leader four in ninety five but who knows it could be her best album ever but nobody's ever heard it and i mentioned that the video for the first single kill unkind was filmed in nashville. I should look that up because you know it didn't get played on. Mtv at that time no that's yeah that'd be interesting checkout. I'm going to have to keep my eyes open for that album. Set like to hear it. It's weird the stuff you learn from going back to these old magazines. Because i have no memory this record and i thought i kept up with stuff pretty well. This was around the time she hooked up with jim gillette and they got married so and then she kind of went on a hiatus forever down below their advertisement for the band solid. Your how prophetic is that. Right after a skid row article. Yeah they must have been looking at this magazine when it came out and said you know this solider guy is pretty good. You know if if some known ever work. Oh maybe we get rid of this guy. We could maybe get that guy. I'd like to hear some of that old solider. But you know. I've got that massive cd want list that i'm always trying to fulfil and got some solid solitaire on there. But i don't never see it anywhere and anytime i've tried to look it up online. Because actually like the stuff that he did with skid row. Nobody else really does. But i kind of liked it. Pretty good record thick skins pretty good revolutions permits got some great songs on it. The dudes a hell of a singer. So i always thought you know whatever he was doing before skid row was probably pretty good. I've always wanted to hear it. But like i said you know if you can find it online. It's usually pretty damn expensive because can't imagine it's kind of a rarity nowadays mall you just got to make your check or money out ordered a salinger. Po box to. I'm just I'll just call the number At it and order it and says catch salinger's video on the playboy channel hot rocks playboy channel used to run rock videos. Yeah so. I only watch playboy channel for the rocket on his mom. Give me the subscription. Yeah it's. I'm just here for the music that's all. It's only one hundred bucks a month right and then the next page has a thing about gilby clarke on tour for pawnshop guitars. That's a great album. Three fourths of cheap trick at the at the show. It looks like yeah. That's cool man. I was excited when that album came out i actually was a. That's what made me become a big fan of gilby clarke. Was that album. Because obviously you know you know him from guns and roses and so when that was coming out. I've been a big guns and roses fan. I wanna check this out none. I heard the song cure me or kill me on the radio and that songs got such a killer guitar riff to it. It's got such a great hook. And you'll be clark's toned right on the money man. Awesome guitar player awesome songwriter. He's got a new one called the gospel truth at should be coming up to my mailbox any day. Now 'cause i ordered it and Yeah but this was the album that kicked off my gilby clarke fandom. Because it's it's got some really great stuff on it. It's a very underrated album. I recommend it highly got I'm looking in the article. There is a Interesting kiss bid a news here. That i don't think i've ever heard about that's saying something says just returned from a tour of japan and australia. I remember that ninety five. Kiss his back in the studio at work on a new album with producer. Bob estrin between its completion and release the band plants to do an unplugged tour in conjunction with their official kiss conventions detail. Soon what That is weird. Yeah because i mean like you said this would have been carnival of souls time but bob. Arizona wasn't involved in that that i'm aware of don't think as rin wasn't anywhere near them around this time. That's really strange. If you know something about this leave leave some comments in our on our facebook page. Because i've never this is a kiss factoid. I have never heard about that. That had to adjust been a rumor. Because i don't think that ever happened. I suppose metal wire. It's kind of like the rumor section of the middle age. Yeah i guess so. Unless there's something about kiss that even chris sin zach doesn't know i'm a little blown away by this of like what i guess they're looking in these old metal edges for beat the questions. Yeah you'd probably find some good stuff in there. Because that's that's new to me and then like there's a little blurb about the saigon kick basis chris mclernon as ecstatic about saigon kicks new material which they're recording tampa florida. Some rocket pods stuff. Haven't announced chris. Mclernon is coming to rock and pod really. Yeah that's cool yup. He's going to be here. If you dinky your saigon kick stuff signed last time get two of them now. Now you get both of them then aerosmith a Show in boston at mama kin's for Get a grip. The mtv covered that. I remember there being like a special about this. They were huge at that time. Couldn't get away from him. Yeah yeah that's always wild. How some bands survive and some. Don't you know an aerosmith. They didn't. I don't know they didn't really conform to anything. They still did their own thing. But i mean people gravitated towards like people that didn't give two shits about seventies. Aerosmith came massive fans of the band in the nineties. It's wild the way that works sometimes now and on the next page. You've got article small article on ugly kid. joe there. I love that band. Had no idea aid you see i saw. I saw something i was reading. The other day that whitfield crane was one of the lucky few in the whole world. That got one of those bullets from lemme. Oh really's ashes in a cool so next time somebody tells me that. Somebody's favorite band is better than ugly kid. Joe i'd say. Let me see the bullet bullet. I don't think so ugly kid. Joe does yeah. Then there's an ad for hotlines for bans. Remember those what ninety nine cents a minute or something like that. And it doesn't say has their numbers and and of course you got like slaw is slaughter tough. You've got some of the got banned pariahs on here and then you've got native tongue some bands. I've never even heard of. There's a bank stain. Which i'm thinking is not the same. As the one that became the grunge band floyds funk revival was like after south gang but before what was the other band that Butch walker was in marvel yet that was kind of the transaction. Bam knows to bands. Yeah that's a butch walker thing. I had no idea. That's on my cd list. It's bold always wanted to hear that. And i can't find it anywhere shut. I've never even heard of the band. It's funk revival lecomte. Don't remember them the crying. I dunno bobby. Rock had his own phone number kicking. Herald black bart Somebody's bands i've never even heard. I doubt they got too many calls. Lou murders on their. Yeah they are. Yeah that's wild. I wonder if that was. Just some prerecorded thing. Hey thanks for calling a hotline. This is slaughter you know we got new music coming out. We're going on tour. These are the tour dates you know or do you call in blas. Elias answers the phone. Hello speaking of drummers on the next page about there's an article about tricks or getting a new drummer. Think i'll pass on that one page. Thirty five has a Concert calendar it's interesting to see. Who was touring at this time. Ugly kid joe dog eat dog and goldfinger toured together I don't even know. It was only two bands. Jimmy page and robert plant were touring at that time. Todd zilla was at the memphis show. He delivered a an acoustic guitar robert. That's right look in the archives for that story pan taron type. O negative toured together. I bet you that was awesome. Yeah steve perry was touring at this time still so before he went into hiding Bloodline do you remember. Bank bloodline no. I don't remember them either. Extremist touring and tesla was touring. Tesla's never stopped touring. Now they're still touring nonstop all the time. The rock on the rise has bad moon rising. You remember them. No rope for mike tramps freak of nature at that time Mata hari i remember the name. I don't think i've ever heard their music. They were there mentioned. Big bang babies. I do remember them. Yeah yeah. I remember them too. I think i remember him being something i liked at that time Cary kelly was in that band. Maybe that's why. Thimble thimble see thimble the night. Noah may the mustard seeds That sounds familiar. But i can't. I don't know what and i love that. They were still trying to hawk. Metal edge was still trying to hawk off. All those extra poisons special magazines in nineteen ninety-five not muster printed. A shit on those. We've got a surplus. They gotta go. And the motley crue wants to those those magazines. Were like eight years old by that point. Wow and they were still selling them in collectors. Issues bon jovi. There's a kissel. And i had that kiss one. Talking watch sounds wonderful. You don't have to see the time you can hear the time reminds you of things to do. You'll never forget. It's called fitbit now. Yeah like the rock jewelry you get. The marijuana leaf necklace won't one of the thankfully unlike nineteen eighty-four no swastikas. They had grown up a little bit of marijuana leave totally fines. Come on people grow up. Let's see the star trek magazines. This is when the rockers from the eighties that were kids in thought they were being controversial. Grew up in. Like what was i thinking. Got the track by track breakdown of the skid row. Some human race. You skipped over the elvis. Watch seven dollars ninety five cents. Oh yeah the official. Elvis watch and two gorgeous designs in metal edge magazine. No less. yeah. I don't think they sold too many now. I don't think you're moving. A lot of elvis watches with the buyers of metal edge in ninety five. Whether you like ugly kid. Joe or soundgarden right. Oh this is interesting on Page forty eight th birthday list and you can see what the age of the people were turning that in may of ninety five. Wow so stevie. Rachelle was turning twenty nine. Jason newstead was thirty. Two bret michaels thirty two g d. Snyder turned forty that year. Wow and that's a long time ago to scott. Born from thin lizzy was only forty two at that time. Wow donovan was twenty nine already. Yeah steven tyler. Turn forty-seven and we thought he was old then. Yeah billy sheehan turned forty to meet billy sheehan at rockin pod to saying it's pretty wild. Look back on that stuff you know we were so young. There's jackal rip-off bon jovi posing in front of a church. That's funny they. Look cool though jesse james. Do pre pulling off his best Jim dandy look. There got the friends jacket. White leather fringe jacket. I always thought those jackets look cool. Maybe that makes me dated and old. But i liked it back then. Yeah me too and then. He got a corroborate era crew picture. We'll see too many of those that's cool man. And there's warrant nineteen ninety-five that's not the original lineup anymore. At this point couple of guys missing. They must have the keyboard player in here there. Six people on this photo strange times for those bands. But if you look you know it's like like you said you know you got four pinups in a row you got jackal motley crue ninety four warrant and then stone temple pilots and this is weird because the way the page layout as you see half estonia pilots and then half a van hagar which is it's like the weirdest supergroup of all time van hagar dressed like somebody's mom in one thousand nine hundred five. Yeah i think yeah. Sammy's wearing mom jeans. Totally wearing mom jeans got took pulled all the way up past his belly. Button and michael. Anthony looks like a middle aged dad. Well they are. They're standing underneath a basketball hoop. They're watching their kids. Shoot hoops or salt. And this is a very unroll. Look very it's like what what happened the times when you know. Rockstars looked like they were in a band. You know like somebody. That was an abandoned. Look at them go. Oh heck i must be in a band like you look at this like oh that guy must be picking up his kids from daycare. These guys shop at the gap. Yeah not good then. The centerfold is a pull out of aerosmith with steven tyler with bare-chested as always yeah. That's pretty cool. Pitcher aerosmith though Then you have the other half of the weird super groovy allison eddie. Van halen and the other two guys from so double. Oh at the anywhere. What does that sweater. Jesus some super long sweater. But he's like holding it up in the front. That's strange borrow. That from valerie looks like a woman sweater. I don't know it's really strange. How van halen is dressed in this. I mean alex looks cool. He's got a t-shirt and a leather jacket. That's cool three guys look really strange. Like hey guys doing a photo shoot you know. Try to look like rockstars. Ha now we're not to win. That i can kind of see the source of an wildly anger. Now yeah not good night only did. Sammy ruined the music. He also ruined their fashion sense. It's probably his idea for them all to get haircuts. And that was his true power easy. He delilah him. Oh man you've been going for a while already. There's some cool stuff in here. More more crazy jewelry. I love the jewelry. The large rings with the skulls on them all at at the. Let's get right to the good stuff. Let's go to the mail bag. That's always my favorite part of these. Yeah there's the mail bags very few pages long so there should be some good stuff in here. Somebody with questions for tommy lee. See she says. I'd like to know what his favorite movie the best joke. He's ever heard if it's short enough could you print it. What kind of humor he likes. Best is favorite pastime. How he described himself turn on and turn off. And how does he like the scandinavian countries. I wish him in the ban all the best and and the answer was. Tommy loves a clockwork orange. English humor makes him laugh and he likes to ride his harley. What kind of what kind is the joke is. What kind of be gives. Milk a booby. that's a very tommy level. Joe you know don't get it. Booby couldn't he couldn't come up with words to describe himself but he says traffic in those silver tabs on. Cd's suck and scandinavian women rule looking for more stuff. Here's a jackal one. I'm hoping my problem. I want to be a recording engineer but did not know how to go about it. I've written to some schools. But i don't think they have what i'm looking for working for helping to find a school that will offer me a degree of some sort of you know some schools in our around saint louis if not. I'll take any suggestions of any school hoping that one day i will get to an engineer on a jackal record. Nice that's from sandra. Says we registered letter to mike. Fraser pass guests on the show who engineered. jackals push. Come to shove and has worked with. Aerosmith metallica thunder blue murder and most recently a invents neil and he said forget the schools there are rip off tried to get a job at a studio as a runner. This is a low or non paying go for job but it offers the important chance to observe and learn. The best school is full sail. There's one in miami. It's fifteen to twenty grand and you still have to start as a runner when you get out in other words. Save your money and try to get on the job experience. Yep i mean that worked for him. Didn't it yeah. I mean that's exactly where he said he came from. You know hanging on that studio in canada and just learning and help in finding opportunities and the opportunities eventually presented themselves and by being a part of different projects you know. He learned things so when the opportunity came around and do something big. He was ready for it. Yeah here's an interesting one. I'm taking a poll on motley crue. Everyone is welcome to write an answer. These questions do you think nikki sixes responsible for. Vince is leaving. And if not what do you think the reason was. Do you think motley crue would be more successful if they handled the press differently or not made. Rude comments towards vince. Do you think molly crew should have changed their name. Do you approve of john corby and their new music. I plan to give everyone's letters to motley crue so they can really see what people think and then the metal edge said we'd like to see the results to thanks middle age are what are you doing. Stand no front of your kroger in your hometown and just asking people questions. Well she said if you enclose a self addressed fm You'll get a response. Importers of the are welcome to write and she put her address on. Look this chick up on facebook and see if we can get her on the show on time to see what the results were got her full name on her. Two bathrooms scaglione. -i look her up or down here. Here's an interesting one. I have some questions for glenn danza. I want to know a bit about what happened down under with def leppard. Did you beat the shit out of them. I would like to know who your influences are and is or was jim. Morrison your idol. Most important what is your religious religious preference. Wow and he answers. He says what happens was what happened was we were doing a festival in the guy from def leppard. Were being all rock starry food and they wouldn't get out of the way and i was like what you please move and they wouldn't move then i said well you get the fuck out of the way there was like thirty of them and it was just me and my security guy. We took them on but never got to fighting. Someone from a british magazine said they punched me and made me bloody. It never happened. Okay i never heard about this either. glenn's influences ranged from punk to blues elvis black sabbath of of that surprising while he includes the late doors frontman on his list of singers. Jim morrison is not an idol of mine. He says he did have a pretty good voice but an overweight alcoholic is not my idol. As for your last question. I do not know. What my real religious preferences I don't like overweight alcoholic. But i love overweight. Pill poppers a whole. Here's somebody asking mark slaughter some questions. I'm gary i'm guessing. This is a female. Yes a patty. Okay i have a few questions for mark slaughter. How does he feel about fan sitting outside his house. What would you prefer girl with a great personality and average looks or very beautiful girl with hardly any personality. Something tells me. Patty is the former Why does anywhere underwear. What does how do you know that. What does he think about breast implants. If he could build the perfect woman what would she look and act like what would he do of slaughter ever broke up. Why doesn't he or the band do promotional appearances in philadelphia. Do they hate philly. They never come to the east coast. What do i gotta do. Come to your house. No says they'd have to be awfully sneaky to get to my house. As marquis lives in a high security gated community. he'd go for the girl with the personality over the dull beauty and prefers natural breasts but if it makes a woman happy if it's something she wants to do for yourself it's okay. He finds underwear to binding okay and described history moment as effervescent with a good sense of humor and sexy. He won't consider the break-up idea. I don't think. I don't think that way we're here to rock and roll for a long time. He says well he acknowledges that slaughter hasn't been back east in a while they have nothing against philadelphia stem kelly's down and hoped to play the spring. Hate your city. He was right though. Slaughter has been around for a long long time. They're still around today. I can't believe we didn't. We missed out on the opportunity to ask him about his underwear when we interviewed them. I know i never even thought about it. did deranged. You know minds would like to know. And bret michaels questions. We were wondering if you would answer some questions about bret michaels. What kind of cologne does he wear if any what's his pants. Shirt and shoe size favorite food color favorite food color and type of shoe. What does he look for in a lady. This is from. Heather and agnes so heather got her grandmother to write a letter. I guess Nice brett favre's obsession for men and calvin klein. Eternity sense where size. Twenty seven twenty eight pants medium shirt and size nine shoe and picks talion food black and cowboy boots. He goes for somebody who's sexually turns me on in the way they can. They carry themselves. I like a woman who can carry herself in public. Who knows how to act. And once we're behind closed doors. I can have a halfway meaningful conversation with her on a bush. Hard hitting journalism. Here is the thing about wild side. Those is must be part of one of these long ones but they answer three members of wild side drew. Hannah jimmy d and mark. Simon are still playing and recording together. An exco woods with the vince is with vince. Neal jesse impala working solo. No word from steve at this time. Yeah that was short. Lived by ninety five. That was all done. Here's one of my favorite areas the music exchange and i. I bought a couple of things from people through here. but it's like people selling like bootleg tapes and videos and stuff so there's a lot of cassettes seeking pinup posters. And this is the internet before the internet right here is like facebook early on then the More there's there's a lot of ads for like jewelry and clothing in this one more than usual metalhead directory. This is like the pen pal directory. Remember that sure do. I never partook in it but i reminded neither. It'd be funny if actually knew some of the people in here. I need to look into this deavere when i have have time. All let's go to the rock and roundup. These are always entertaining metal edge asked. Do you believe in love at first sight. Let's see some of the notable and steven tyler. Yes but only if it's based on one part intuition. Two parts. Animal attraction three parts lost in four parts. Look it's a very steven tyler answer. Yeah tom hamilton earlier. I suppose it's possible. Just be sure. It's the human. That's a very tom hamilton. Answer it's a strange way to answer that question. Alice cooper absolutely. How could anyone take one. Look at me and not fall in oil elliott. Yes because i'm shallow Gene simmons no. I believe lost happens. I and if the rest of the puzzle fits it turns into love. And that's why is he says absolutely because both wives i've had Thomas keough not really. She can turn out to be a bitch. Later never happened to me. Not that he remembers rob alford. Yes happens to me all the time. What's funny back then. You wouldn't even thought twice. That rob helfer was talking about dudes day mistaken. Inanimate objects no people sometimes my son. Yes david ellison sure if you're blind Nick men's was not in a good mood that day. only for the weak minded shallow individuals. Jeez that's not very nice. Linden's egg no. I don't i believe in chemistry. That's that's for sure there are things that attract people to other people. You never know why. That's a great thing actually doesn't need explanation. Sebastian bach asks the second dog on a sled team. What a goober is kind of funny though. Oh man a lot of these are just. They're serious or not. Some of them aren't really that funny. Yeah a lot of them. Saying i believe in lust at first sight. That's that's vince. Neal for sure he says that at badger from extreme says yes. I have the playboy channel. But i only watch for the music videos. Yeah that's all i did. It's the only way you can hear the new leader ford. Yeah exactly bobby dall no. I didn't see that one carry elaborate. No no thanks bobby. That's why we didn't read too. Many bobby dall interviews back in the day slave. Even jesse james dupree. Yeah why not being interviewed by magazine. I mean come on. Put a little effort into it. Big brown from docking. Yes harley davidsons sambora. I do johnny jelly from hardline. Yes it's not. Just a tickle in your pickle at something you feel all over tickle in your oh man good stuff you had the posters down here look Aerosmith is sold out but you guide nirvana stone. Temple pilots guns and roses def leppard. Green day metallica. Gr another metallica. Pandera and pearl jam. Heavy metal posters only four dollars. Ninety eight cents. Good luck finding a poster for that price. Now probably won't be this. Was i find it funny in between mean. Those are the top bands at this time. Right there near the back. There's a snowboarding with biohazard article. Nice that sounds like fun. Because when i think of snowboarding i think of biohazard who. There's my favorite kiss t shirt. The four faces all around on the page with the What's rockabilly with the pink. Kiss the all around shirt. yup man. That thing was cool. I had to have it in one thousand nine hundred five. I didn't care about nirvana. i didn't care about none of those bands. I wanted to kiss t-shirt that kiss shirts worth a lot of money. Now to yeah. It sells for over two sells for over two hundred dollars on ebay regularly. Wow and that's funny thing about a lot of these t shirts because you figure you know anybody that bought them probably warm to death and so how many in good condition are still out there you know. There are some t shirts that are really expensive. I know when we went out to los angeles at time we went to a store that had rocked t shirts but man they knew what they had you know and so something like that is a super collector's item. Because it's not like an album that you know you played one hundred times or whatever and it sat in your collection. I mean you wore these shirts. You know nobody. Nobody bought one of these shirts back. Then and said i'm gonna put this away and save it for the future right. you know. Most of them got ward till they got war out. Yeah well let's all go for so much now. Well although it's kind of like the in thing for millennials to do is to wear those shirts now driven the price up on all of them and then near the back. You've got a Pinup of chris cornell standing in a cornfield. I see what they did. There would they do. They put chris cornell. Oh that's it. I'm outta here. No more isn't it obvious. Here's a advertisement for two bands that have apparently I band is suicide. Circus and the next band is erotic suicide. I'm i hate to be morbid but how we is it that those two ads are opposite. A picture of chris cornell who commit committed suicide. That is weird. I've never heard of either of those bands mean either. Although suicide circus according to rip magazine skid row meets faster pussycat so they sound right up your alley. Yeah i'm gonna have to add that to my cd want list. Erotic suicide tired of trends. All grunge doubt. Try the alternative to the alternative. Take the ride of your life through a park Boy of a band called abused park. But i've never heard of erotic suicide from edmond. Oklahoma looks like a warning. If you're going to commit suicide make sure it's erotic. Any other way may be hazardous to your else. They put a lot of thought into this advertisement. They were taking it seriously. It's like we want to be entertaining and fun. You know in a in a time. Where a lot of these bands aren't a lot of fun you know. Look i mean. Look at chris cornell he looks so serious you know. Nobody was having fun in. This was the time when these band said all these other old bands you know. They took themselves so seriously with their. You know make up in their hair. And this and that. But i mean they really. Didn't you know the the grunge bands were the ones that seemed like. Especially in retrospect now where the bands like poison molly crew were doing anything but taking themselves seriously because of the shit they were doing. In the way they look how could they. But then you look at this pitcher chris cornell and and that's pretty serious right there. Yeah but i mean how much fun you have standing in a fucking cornfields. I'd be mad too. I suppose that's got to be pretty boring man. You know when. I was reading mental age when i was coming up. I'd see poisoned with a bunch of half naked women. What you want me to stand in front of this corn. Oh great on the next page is a picture pan. Tara and they look about his enthusiastic. Chris cornell cornfield funny. That should become a catchphrase. That's a t shirt right. They're excited as chris cornell in a cornfield they do look like they're about to beat somebody's ass though they probably about to beat the cameraman's probably you used. You've waited till page ninety eight to put us in the magazine. You're going to get your ass kicked. Hey guys at least you're not a cornfield. They got a rare compact discs advertisement. I used to love those too. Because it's like you know you look at stop and go. I've never seen any of these anywhere. And it's all a bootleg stuff cd warehouse and the pew new york new york I wonder if that's anything like the cd. Warehouses that are still around today. I don't no doubt it and ula picture firehouse from nineteen ninety-five don't don't they also looked so serious do and that's when perry dyed his hair dark to wow. That doesn't even look like him. I thought that was maybe after he was out of the ban. Now that's him. Wow that doesn't even look like him at all. Those were his. That was his hard drinking days to. He was pretty bad off on the alcohol back. Then house a wild story. He told about how he never really drank and then all of a sudden became an alcoholic. Yeah well living that life. I mean it's easy to get caught up. Sure i'm in firehouse. Gimme drink yeah. Next page is a Little quick thing. On steve perry when he was still touring. And there's our friend. Paul taylor who was playing keys forum at that time. Paul taylor going to be iraq and pod. That's right you said it before i could. It's a real team effort. And there's an article on kicks in here about the show business album. You like that record. I don't really even know that one. That's another one. That's how my list that i've never really heard. I'm not super big on it myself but it's okay. Yeah at the and that was right after. Brian left the band. Yeah that's right. I've been Checking out some of that funny money. That steve's side ban effort or good kicks fell apart. That is really good at really kind of re. It's more kicks than what you would think of soil. If you're an abani you go do a solo album. you think. Oh it's going to be totally different than what you're used to right. He just basically continued. The whole kicks thing you know now. Some good songs on those albums check out the ad for warrant. That's the back of the magazine is a full page. Ad for the ultra phobic record. Yeah that's emc also. Yeah sure is the home of horrible album cover artwork. Yes see that was yeah. That album covers. Where it's a great album ultra phobic. Really good. I like the record. Yeah and it's sad that you know in ninety five and nobody gave a shit. But i bought that album the day it came out. You know i was same thing. You run to the camelot music just like you always did you know said now. You're running. Pass a bunch of people in flannel to get all the way down to the ws and while there's two copies of it here i'm glad i'm getting one of them like you're in the w section. Did you want weezer like no. I want warrant in there. Like what cherry pie one. There's a new one. Yeah but i was. You know like you said in ninety five i was. I was a weird kid because as much as everybody told me. You know you're trapped in the eighties. You're stuck in the eighties. I still cared about those bands. You know i. I wasn't just going to throw away warrant because you know they weren't getting played on mtv. I wasn't going to throw away a ban that i liked. Because you know people weren't treating them with the same respect they had in years past. You know that all of a sudden like you can't like warrant no more because now there's nirvana and pearl stone temple pilots. You know it's that never registered to me and you know that's kinda what's cool about this metal edge magazine is that they kind of treat it the same way that i seen it. You know is like why. What's the difference you know. Why can't i like warrant and white zombie you know. They're mixing it up where it's a little bit of both which is cool because that's the way it really should have been you know there's no reason why these bands couldn't coexist. There's no reason why you can't like that anymore because now it's time to like this. I never understood that. I would never accept it. You know where. I had friends that i thought man you guys. You call me a poser. Because i like warrant but really. Who's the frigging poser. When you just are gonna willing to just drop everything that you legitimately said you liked last week but all of a sudden because you're told that's not cool anymore than you're just going to go along with it you know. Who's the real poser. In this in this equation. And i can never get that you know so in ninety five. Yeah i bought ultra phobic. The day it came out. And i was excited about it just as much as i had been wind. Doggy dog came out. Just as excited as i was. When skid row came out with subhuman race you know and all these bands that were. I loved that. Were still coming out with music. You know and i. I supported him even though nobody else really did. L. a. guns. You know vicious circle. I had that too. You know when it was new and it just bummed me out at the time because it's like how. how do you you know all of a sudden just. Oh i don't like that. No more you know when it hasn't drastically changed you know it's still as good as it was. And in some cases a lot of these bands put some of their best stuff in the nineties. When nobody gave a shit you know and people missed out on a lot of good stuff because they were hip to the new thing you know and i just could never understand. I think and this is just a theory. But it's it's almost like an end of decade thing because and i'm certainly not defending disco at all because i'm not a fan of it but look how giant disco was. As the end of the seventies happened. It was huge and then it like clockwork when the decade changed over it was like you immediately had to hate it and there was just this backlash against it. There was even people doing disco demolition nights and stuffing up disco records but like look at the end of the eighties with like hair metal. It was it was huge and almost like clockwork he'd go into a new decade and it in and maybe it was a couple years and more like ninety two is really what had happened. But but you get what i'm saying. It was like we're in a new decade and the powers that be have decided that this is not cool anymore and nirvana is the next big thing and a lot of that is and then it just everything got show. I'm just like you. I got all kinds of grief for continuing the liked docking and poison and rat motley crue and and like i love the like the motley crue record with karate i kept i was like i tried to make believers out of people with that record is on mike yet. It's not the same van that was like listen. This is motley crue this new era. It's really good news and they just like. Oh it's motley crue. I'm not even going to give it a chance. A the fuck man. But then i remember times of playing something word. You wouldn't tell somebody what you're listening to and you being your car with them and they go. Wow what is this all. This is the new vince. neal yoke. it's carved in stone in people will be like. Wow this is amazing. You guys are a bunch of idiots. I did that with And i'm not as everyone knows. I'm not a fan of the psycho circus record kiss but I really dug the song within because it reminded me a carnival. Souls you know and i love that heavier sound and i remember. I was playing that for one of my for. And he's not a kiss fan at all. He was more into weezer and bands like that. But and metallica megadeath. It just kiss was just not his thing. And i played it without telling him he's like who is this. Kiss so new record was like what you gotta be fucking kidding me and i was like no. It's kiss then. of course i went to. I pledge allegiance to the state or rock and roll. And i was like all right. Never mind like no. that's kiss. Yeah he was like what the fuck man yeah and i. I didn't let it get to the peter chris long. Thank god of course. I didn't spend it for somebody's wedding song either now. It's funny though the way people's minds are kind of programmed to reject certain things even though they might actually like it. You know one of my favorite memories working our radio. One time is when vanilla. Ice came out with his heavy metal songs. And you still think kind of like smash of trash in on this one. I was like i'm gonna play this for you. I want you to tell me if you like it or not. And then i'll tell you who it is and it was like the phones are coming in like. Oh man that's really cool 'cause this time like limp iskin corn and stuff was bannon metal. All that's really good now that tell me who it is. You know like. I will stay tuned. You know and people are like. Oh i love it i love it i love it and then i say oh. It's vanilla ice and then all of a sudden the phones changed. You know it was like all that sucks you know what it was just like a dime you know in in turning on it where the you know one minute. You don't know what it is you think. Oh that's pretty good. Then you find out it's vanilla ice and now it's socks you know. It's funny how that works. Which i thought it sucked from beginning but i knew all along so who. Yeah pretty strange man strange times especially ninety five. It's kind of cool going back and looking this magazine because you know the time we did this before. It was nineteen eighty four and there was no disputing that. Every band we talked about on that episode was something that most everybody likes and respects nowadays. Ninety five man. There's a lot of intermingling of different kinds of rock in there and it's cool to me. I think that medal edge didn't look at it as this is glam. that's grunge. this is thrashed. This is that they really all inclusive in this stuff where they really treated as rock music. And i like that. I respect metal edge for it. Yeah it's cool to go back and look at it because you know we were both you know. Eighteen nineteen years old and Kind of becoming adults at that time. So it's It's interesting to think back on those days and yeah it was The the kiss thing still blows me away. I gotta do more research on that. Bob azran story. That's odd but but yet like tell us your thoughts you know. I'll post the link for the the flip through the magazine. So you can. You can flip along with it and and see what we're looking at and everything but Yeah and also a good thing to know is that certainly rock and ron's going to be taking this episode and making it into a youtube show for us will geek tv. So if you wanna hang out after you're done listening to this. I'm sure probably won't take too much time. But keep your eyes open. Health subscribed to decibel geek tv. And when rock and ron puts together you're going to be able to see each thing that we've been talking about because he's going to include it as part of the video so that'll be a lot of fun to yeah so it'll be a tell us your thoughts on this era of of rock and what you think of these stories and the you know the wire and the stories about some human rights. We want to hear your opinion in your thoughts on these things and i want to know the power of the haircut. How did you know. I wasn't real. Happy with metallica. For doing now. I wasn't happy with anybody that did it. I thought it was selling on. But i'd be interested to hear what other people think of that too. So there you have it. There's our episode this week rock. Meg ninety five. I guess we'll catch you guys next week. But don't forget you can always join us on friday night live on the facebook and desperately geek tv seven. Pm central time. 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The Pension Gamble

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The Pension Gamble

"This is an audio cast of the frontline program. The pension gamble premiering October twenty third on PBS and PBS dot org slash frontline the correspondent and narrator is Martin Smith. On frontline. There's a promise all state workers. Service. We would guarantee you. Retirement. But what happened? They have effectively rated pension funds. The pension was used basically as a thing even climb correspondent Martin Smith investigates. How did it go down with the policeman in the farmer? I didn't think it went down. Well with anybody. Sure do. Team million dollars didn't pay to undisclosed individuals for doing little or nothing. It was happening all over the country. This is a crisis of epic proportion if we are unable to meet the pension obligations. This comes at the expense of everything else that we care remind the real cost of the pension gamble Kentucky might be the first one to go down. But it won't be the last. Frontline is made possible by contributions to your PBS station from viewers like you. Thank you. And by the corporation for public broadcasting major support is provided by the John D and Catherine T MacArthur foundation committed to building a more just verdict and peaceful world. More information is available at macfound dot org. The Ford Foundation working with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide at Ford Foundation dot org. Additional support is provided by the Abrahams foundation committed to excellence in journalism, the park foundation dedicated to heightening public awareness of critical issues, the John and Helen listener family trust supporting trustworthy, journalism that informs and inspires the WinCo foundation. And by the frontline journalism fund with major support from John JoAnne Hitler and additional support from Laura deponent's, Scotney them. Today's. Sixteen. This is a story about gambling and making bad bets. It's about having your retirement that you thought was secure go sound. We came here to Kentucky because Kentucky's pension system for its police firefighters, teachers and other public workers is among the worst funded in the nation. By Robert berry with our interest in pensions. We, of course, noticed a horse called promises fulfilled. I decided to place a battle with his promises. Fulfilled water. We think about that. Shot. Chance what the what the mud in or? We're in Kentucky. We're doing a show about the pension problems. You know, the teachers and the firemen and cops people that work hard all their lives, and they're not gonna get a pension people that we depend on most of their right? Me mention ad. Okay. Well in in the derby. Okay. Number three promises fulfilled. A hundred dollars. Yeah. I had no expectation that the horse when do much and post time the odds board headed at around fifty two. On the other hand if it one I would win five thousand dollars. There. Great. Well, promises fulfilled lead the pack for half the race. The second side. But in the back stretch where you couldn't really see what happened the horse drop from I fifteen out of twenty. All I knew was that in just two minutes. I lost my one hundred dollars. Derby down. Kentucky is drowning in financial crisis. The state's public pigeon funds which fund retirement plans for our teachers firefighters state, police and other public and boys. Experienced shortfall of more than thirty six billion dollars. Kentucky is not the only state in trouble nearly half of all states haven't saved enough money to pay for the benefits. They've promised to government workers in total. It's estimated there short trillions of dollars. That's trillions. It's a problem that will affect everyone. Why? Because the the problem becomes the more tax dollars will be needed to fix. That means fewer tax dollars being spent in areas of need schools are roadways talented, teachers other public servants may look for careers. Elsewhere engine problems sparking concern for workers in northern talking inches system. One of the worst across the country. Matt Evan in matters. What happens in Kentucky? Because what is Kentucky's problem is New Jersey's problem is Illinois problem is Connecticut's problem is California's problems is go on and on and on. This is a crisis of epic proportion in the United States of America. And it's time we wake up and addressing. One public employees in Kentucky who wondered if his pension was okay was a history teacher at a local Louisville high school. Randy league. I understood that I would never earn a great deal of money you entered teaching because there's a certain warmth, you feel for instructing young people and trying to help them. We're going to convert it for him. Kimiko? So it's an idealism that drives a teacher of English. We are learning to be effective communicators. But one of the reasons that we accept the low salary is that we won't have to despair of our retirement that there will be some form of a safety net for us when we get to old to try and will into the classroom a guarantee guarantee, it's a promise and a good chunk of our salary is taken out from day one and deposited into a retirement plan. Outdoor Christina Frederick prosper. A teacher in Knox county Kentucky also signed up because of the promise of a guaranteed pension. When you get to this. I remember, my parents telling me, you'll have you'll have job security, and those are things you can't get in a lot of other places. New. I would never be reached by, you know, be comfortable and have those things that I can depend on. So that I could make decisions for my family for my kids in the long term that things that my parents weren't able to do everybody sitting. Here's Ben betrayed the state. I also some police some active some retired. It was a major thing for me. I felt if I got hired on this police department if I did what I was supposed to do. My got my life planned out. I'm going to retire. My income coming in good health benefits for rest of my life health benefits for my spouse. It had a major impact on my decision. Do this kind of the same with me. I didn't get a place in a little bit later than normal. It was almost thirty is very well aware of the of the pitch and benefit for me. That was a big deal. I knew that if I can get twenty years the career that my wife, and I would have health insurance, and that I would have some kind of pension democratic state Senator Morgan mcgarvy look at public servants. Teachers cops firefighters. The Pinson represents our promise to them. And also an acknowledgement that we might not be able to pay what you're worth right now. But we're going to be there for you on the back end. It used to be that nearly half of all American workers had defined benefit pensions guarantee that you would get a good percentage of your salary and benefits upon retirement is the life what with my retirement plan, and if you've dollars I'd say, I didn't have a thing to worry about workers and their employers contributed funds that were then invested on Wall Street. I'm care of the pension fund of this corporation. We're looking for a well diversified list of high quality bombs and some common style. Over the years. Private corporations have largely stopped offering defined benefit pension plans. But most public employees still have policy that will recommend here. Gives us a sixty percent chance of actually achieving the assumed rate of return the decisions about how to invest and grow pension fund money are made by a pension board and its financial advisers liquidity and for many years, Kentucky retirement systems or K R S was flush with cash Ariza. This return time to our twenty years ago. It looked as if it would not ever have a problem straight. Great. Uses same Ernie's today, Betty Pendergrast sits on the board of KRA. Where was the Kentucky retirement system sitting in nineteen ninety nine? It was sitting in at nearly one hundred percent funded. Then in two thousand the dot com. Bubble burst. KRAS lost one point two billion dollars. Then governor Paul e Patton of served in the best of times. And now is the worst time Kentucky was suffering but politicians were reluctant to raise taxes to pay the full cost of their bills again to divert pension money. What we'll Kentucky do. That's what you're symbol here. In Frankfurt to decide Kentucky the pension, basically as a piggy. The problem was once you've started a short your state pensions covered the budget shortfall. It's hard to do at the one time. One of the few local reporters paying attention was John chiefs. Inviting for twenty years now about the state pension system. And it's been you know, sort of a slow motion car crash. Chiefs watched as one governor after another invested in roads, bridges, libraries and more pension obligations were not met. Former governor Steve share as governor. I'm thrilled to be able to support this project not only with enthusiasm and congratulations. But with money. Thinking in mold into the politicians two point four million dollars realize nobody's paying attention. I think they get a little bolder battery, and I realize. No one's looking. I can do this. They have effectively rated pension funds and by rating, it means they just simply have not made the payments that they are morally required to make to fund the retirement promises that they've made David Sirotta is a reporter an opinion writer, so instead of making those payments. They've used that money for roads schools things that are important, but that other tax revenues are not funding. And the thing is is that the Bill will come do. The Bill will come do. Social studies teacher, Christina Frederick prosper. Hard kind of ramblings from teachers are early on like, oh, they're taking money from our pension fund, and this and that I'm a fix it. You know, that was kind of where we wear, you know, they'll fix it. And then I got married I had some kids, and you know, that wasn't what was on my right arm. And I think a lot of people were like that American history teacher Randy week. I had my head in the clouds. I'm a teacher and busying family. I gotta life. They take a bunch out of my paycheck every two weeks. So that's going into a little pilot's going to accrue interest. I figured this is on autopilot. I don't have to worry about the pension. By two thousand eight Kentucky's pension funds more in very bad shape. And things were about to get much worse. Stunning news on Wall Street tonight at one point the market fell as if down well over seven hundred points, the collapse of Leman brothers triggered turmoil. In markets around the globe is a two thousand eight collapsed. Kentucky was hit hard traveled to Kentucky for I had. Look how the recession is hurting just about every night. I got here things are blooming. There's a lot more factories that were then in businesses. And I mean, you can save businesses are closing all over talking is horse racing. What Detroit is to the American auto industry, even the sport of kings heels the sting global recession. Nearly every sector of Kentucky's economy was affected. K R S lost two point eight billion dollars. Punched a hole in the boat pension board trustee Betty pentagram. I mean, the boat was taking on water. But now, we got home. It was a huge downturn in the funding status because of that crisis, and you can't pay that back in five years, but he can omic turmoil of recent years as comfortable retirement at risk for many Americans. So the investment crews are feeling the pressure to get the returned up. So that we're generating more money going into the system. Now, you're swinging for the fence right less money available. Many pension funds are under pressure to take on more risk by festive starting in the fall of two thousand nine Kentucky's public pensions decided that to dig out from under. They would invest a portion of their portfolio in some of Wall Street's more exotic and risky investment vehicles like headphones do this that they're trying to gamble. Their way out in the Raleigh. And Wall Street was more than happy to answer Kentucky's calls. Pension money is extremely important here a quarter on columnist. David Surata world of pensions is a world money. And if you really wanna dig around the heart of power of economic power in the United States, that's where much of the money on Wall Street is from. The public doesn't necessarily view pensions. As giant pools of money. When you say the word pensions people's eyes gloss over they don't really pay much attention. But there's one set of people who are paying a lot of attention. And it's the richest and most powerful people in the world on Wall Street. How much money are we talking about in public pensions today? There's about three trillion dollars part of it's being paid out and benefits and much of it being invested more. But here is where it gets tricky knowing how to invest is difficult. I'd like to go through all the recommended policies and vote in mass. And then if someone was some trustees have financial experience was a prime, but others are police and firefighters appointed to the board to represent their coworkers often not trained in portfolio management. They've got their correlation matrices and their risk and return assumptions by asset class from the complicated. And some of our trustees don't have that skill set. They're better at fighting fires than I am. They're better at catching criminals than I am. But they don't end the financial skill free point five percent. I would like to see Sharpe ratios for each one of the major asset classes today, Betty pen regresses, a trustee who has investment experience is are we getting paid for the risk? We're taking you know, that on Wall Street, they call pension funds down money. That that hurts, but it's true. What I would say is the bounds of reason are three fifty above the ten year treasury's. John Farris is an investment manager in Lexington. Did I tell recently he chaired the care board? Absolutely. He says that Wall Street regularly exploited pension fund board chairman that we were in two thousand eight only two members of the board had any investment management experience a are much healthier. I think that the pension board that was put together from point two thousand eight in two thousand sixteen was probably the dumbest of money, and thus your sixty billion dollars in the hole. Exactly, how do they amassed hundreds of investments when they have no experience in how to choose just take anything that's recommended and seeing that way a lot of them say we'll will openly admit they're not even sure what they're voting on. I trust the state to deal with my money. Okay. I don't know nothing about doing among those police ice. Spoke to one had served two terms as a K R S trustee, and you were trustee at all due respect. You're a police officer are you in a position or quip to be able to evaluate a complex financial instruments. Like a hedge fund one of the first things we were told elected trustees when you went on the board when he responsibilities be get yourself educated. In the first question, I have found to do the retirement says set me and other trustees to different investment symposiums. It's a complex thing. I did not claim to be an expert in the pension system. I knew a little bit about it. And I did the best my ability to make the best decision with the information. I had at the time. Even with the best information. It's hard to choose a winner. Think of that horse race with only twenty entries. In the world of high finance that are ten thousand hedge funds. How do you know where to bet? One of the first ones K R S chose was called aero hawk durable alpha it had no track record and long odds reporter, John Teves era, hawk was one of the first sort of alternative investments, as we call it where we had these third party middlemen would come to Kentucky what time it systems and introduce KRAS to these alternative investments, they came to Caras and said usually putting your money in these funds. And we think these are the best places for you to invest the states money. These middlemen are called placement agents apparently unbeknownst us the placement agents were being paid fees. So they were compensated. Very generously for us giving our business to these funds. The lead placement agent for arrow hawk a fellow of Newark named Glenn surgeon. Yeah, this is Flint search. Yes. So this guy he was the sales for home. Mojo in two thousand nine when aero hawk was being considered the only person on the K A R S board with much investment management. Experience was Chris Toby he thought it was a risky bet. Hitch on you're looking for a fund that has a track record. It's. And this one didn't. But Clint surgeon had relationship with 'em toss chief investment officer of K R S at the time Tauch Solis that Toby told me that chaos is chief investment officer, Adam Tosh convinced the board to invest in aero hawk which resulted in a large fee from aero hawk for tasha, man Glenn surgeon, and how much money was he paid to bring in airlock two million for hawk, but he brought in some other investments total of six million. But at the time of the vote the board didn't know there was a placement agent operating in the background because it was never disclosed financial statements was never disclosed anywhere. Even the existence of placement ages. I think that while the key issues is disclosure of placement fees and as Toby then hired Ted Sidell a financial crimes investigative. They eventually filed a thirty two page complaint to the SEC case, the SEC and state auditors investigated and found no laws were broken. But the auditors did conclude that Taj violated care. Ss disclosure rules. Tauch went to work for Tosh left Kentucky and has not returned. Our calls surgeon has since died headline here. Well, the headline was that there were these abuses involving placement agents fourteen million dollars have been paid to undisclosed individuals for doing little or nothing. It was happening all over the country public funds pay hundreds of millions in placement agent fees. So it's a significant problem, and it's a real waste of retirement savings. Air hawk proved to be a loser. After K R S invested one hundred million dollars the fund failed and closed down. Karras eventually recouped its money from. But another hedge fund investment involved the Camelot group. Camelot had a manager who in a separate case was charged and pled guilty to personally pocketing over nine million dollars of investors money. Despite this care would continue to invest in more hedge funds. Great big put all the chips on the red seven. That's what we're going to do with pension money for firefighters and cops and janitors. An old father is a Louisville attorney who recently represented firefighters in pension related lawsuit. They decided we're not going to go public. We're to say we need help. We're going to try to save our rears and the so work, isn't that? What the gambler always streams? And so they start the beauty contest, and they have perhaps fifteen hedge fund managers that they interview and meet with and talked to and woodland down to the final three winters. The winners were Pacific turn it of asset management company or Pam co Prisma, capital partners and Blackstone alternative asset management. Each offered K R S so called funds of funds umbrella vehicles that contain dozens of underlying hedge funds. With multiple layers of often hidden fees. They're sometimes called black boxes. They're putting them together in these black boxes, which they so nifty named the Henry clay fund, the Daniel Boone fund and the Newport colonels fund, all for your viewers are outside of Kentucky famous names or entities here in Kentucky. Today. Hedge funds are deemed by many investment professionals as inappropriate for public pensions because they are expensive and lack transparency. Well, hedge funds contributed only some of Kentucky's pension woes to class action litigators from San Diego Bill and Michelle the rock sandstone opportunity here. In two thousand seventeen they set up office in Louisville. They said they were coming to the rescue of Kentucky state workers Michelle rock, and we are talking about the retirement of three hundred and fifty thousand plus individuals. And we're also talking about a matter, which quite frankly, could bankrupt the state there is so much that we don't know. I'm trying to find out what happened here. Okay. That's fine. We'll just going to not look at it until we get resubmit yet will tell you the Little Rock successfully sued Enron for over seven billion dollars in damages. But Bill the rock had been disbarred and jailed for a legally paying plaintiffs and some other class action lawsuits, so they enlisted and old father as their lead counsel. Watching their own backs. Our team of lawyers are blessed to have his our consultant Bill the rock who's a disbarred attorney, but indeed an expert in pension fund analysis. And so we have somebody right there at our Beck and call who has educated us about the breadth of this problem throughout the United States Kentucky might be the first one to go down. But it won't be the last. As lead plaintiff. They tapped an old friend of Michelle. The rox Jeff may bury a retired state trooper. From what I understand the funds were fraught with inflated fees. Allegedly. They were exorbitant they were non standard. They were not of the norm tens of millions of dollars. That's what I understand. In the spring of twenty eight teen we attended a pretrial hearing in a courtroom in Frankfurt. Mayberry faced thirty one defense attorneys representing ks board members, their financial advisers and the three hedge fund companies. Obviously the number of defense attorneys did make me realize that as big money here and they can afford the best in the country. The agreements that these three hedge fund companies entered into with K R S were always declared a secret we have more able to find them in public record. We've never been even findable carrots is website. All these defendants your honor are seeking to heat private their dealings with K R S because the defense has called for the case to be dismissed, but old father argues that the hedge funds need to fully verify that care S got all the money. It should have received that the funds didn't cheat K R S by charging hidden fees. Examples are we're these three managers told c-a-l-l-s-a-s oldest of manager refuses to disclose their feet charged to the public and the tax payers of Kentucky. And they say you're on a big fishing expedition looking for damaging inside information that you don't really know if it's there the United States Supreme court has said that the point of discovery is to be on a fishing expedition. And it is the beauty of civil litigation that we don't have to know one hundred percent of what everybody did when we filed the lawsuit when we survive those motions to dismiss it's going to be time for discovery, and I am going to snag a lot of fish. There is a a week on their part that if you find a lawsuit, and you get your hands on something the public then gets to know over and I am Coen Prisma said in a letter to frontline. That they did exactly what they were hired to do, but declined to be interviewed Blackstone attorney spoke to us about the fees. We don't know what the fees words, actually, I can tell you what Blackstone fees were right? We know what Blackstone fees were that was disclosed. But then there's a whole set of some peas. And if you read the contract, there's no specificity it's fake the fees were disclosed the nature of the fees were disclosed the contract laid out the fee structure for the underlying portfolio. You're characterizing it a certain way it laid out the fee structures. There's no transparency issue in your view. There is no transparency issue. They know exactly what they receive. They were targeted benchmarks that were stabbed received nearly three times. What was expected in the target benchmarks? At this point for no one to prejudged anything that my clients have done. We don't know yet. The lawsuit is likely to drag on for years, but the defendants insist the bulk of Kentucky's pension troubles are due to underfunding and to market crashes. Reputation just because the complaint shreds us. It doesn't mean it's true. People in industry and on Wall Street think that what you're looking to do is to wear them down get them to a settlement and take the money. How do you respond to that? Michelle rock, Chris thinking about something that came up in the last hearing when their lawyers sort of accused us of grabbing things from discovery and sending them to the media somehow, you know, look, if they're proud of what they do and their business model, and how they do it will then stand up and tell the world about it. Every month Kentucky retirement systems makes over one hundred thousand pension payments with the average retiree receiving around fifteen hundred dollars. The total outflow is nearly two billion dollars a year. But by twenty thirteen the K R S board and Kentucky legislators worried that in the future. They would not have enough money to meet their obligations state Senator Morgan mcgarvy in twenty thirteen pensions had moved to the forefront. I think people started to realize we let this debt get out of control. Lawmakers decided it was time to make some drastic changes. We changed the system. So that you no longer get a defined benefit plan. If you're a state employee, and you've got this hybrid cash balance plan, basically 4._0._1._K type plan, basically, a four one K type plan better than a 4._0._1._K but not as good as defined benefit plan. Now where? The first to be affected. Police firefighters that are of other public servants as public school. Teachers were spared. Existing workers would keep their defined benefit pension. But all new hires would be moved to a 4._0._1._K style plan. Opted, not your swerving. The move in two four one Cape style plans this widely seen as a compromise. But it's a big difference. And it's a lot more uncertain with a 4._0._1._K plan. Tom Loftus is a local reporter who covers pensions. But how did it go down with the policeman in the firemen? I don't think it went down. Well with anybody. There is no way that we can continue because of demographics to offer the same plan to people who are not currently state employees one year later after reforms went into effect the pension crisis resurfaced as an issue in. The gubernatorial race this time for state teachers and school were important thing to do is stop digging. The longshot candidate was Matt Bevin. A former hedge fund manager and tea party favorite trustee Betty Pendergrast to make him pain. From was if the pension system is bankrupt. The inviolable contract is moot. Because if you don't have those dollars to pay those benefits, then okay, you don't pay those benefits. Reality is the money's not there than we have to think about how do we tighten our budget, big issues shrink government trustee. Chris Toby, make it smaller. He believes in private sector does not believe in government. Knows is in game his to shrink tensions are why we indeed will be the next governor and Lieutenant governor of common. Governor Pathan the we had at that time and continue to have the worst funded pension system in the United States a fresh start. We truly do we made a fresh start is tells us that we as a state are in dire risk of becoming financially insolvent, and that if we are unable to meet the pension obligations that we have people. This comes at the expense of everything else that we care about everything else that we would fund. Our state workers who have been promised pension should be given that tension once an office Bevan decided to stop shorting the pension system and to make water called actuary required contributions or annual arc payments. We have an eighty two billion dollar pension problem. There are going to be hard decisions made by this body by the how governor Bevin is doing what no governor has done for at least fifteen sixteen years, which is fully fund the architect, John Cheever, and that's no small achievement. And it really is starving. Much of the rest of the state budget. And we had better clean it up. That isn't what controversial it's gone diversity. He's saying we can't really afford to keep pensions going so teachers from this point forward teaches won't get pensions and Kentucky anymore. We have exhaustively gone through everything we can to ensure that we do. In fact, the liver on the problems Bevan concluded that the teachers pension system was unsustainable. Keeping the promise we'll save Kentucky's pension systems under a proposal called keeping the promise all newly hired teachers would be moved to a four one going forward basis. This existing teachers is would also contribute a greater percentage of their salary to shore up the old system you were radically the pension for new teachers you correct. I mean, this is another words for new people who are not currently employed by the state, they would not be given a defined benefit plan because it is not possible to promise that to them with any confidence that we can deliver. We can't I think this a very morally sound plan state Senator Robert stivers endorsed the plan in something that the people of Kentucky will understand and accept. Is the direction we need to go in future years. Passionate crowd. Staples educators have retirees to the steps of the state capital with one message. They want their pension. The proposed Bill calls for new employees to move to a 4._0._1._K style plan and current employees kick three percent of their salaries to shore up retiring healthcare funds. Specific countries, and we're going to look at each one, Christina Frederick prosper. The teacher from Knox county was alarm. Her salary was already a challenge to live on Kentucky's. Teachers have seen their wages adjusted for inflation increased by less than half a percentage point in the last two decades. Now trust per feared that lawmakers would come after her pension in about August September really started paying attention to what was happening and just everything just kind of snowballed from me all of it just kind of came together. Does the whole dig the hole one day Tross per attended a town meeting and confronted Senator stivers about his plan. All made a conscious decision to not your obligation. Not here when you got a lift it or whatever, but you've been there during the years that it has not been funded. Probably I wanna know how are you going to raise the revenue funded properly? Promise, you your debts will be no longer. There will be no. It seemed like something snapped in. Yeah. And I tell everybody I had an out of body experience. I'm allowed person. And I'm not the type of person who sits back a lot of times. But. I shocked myself what you told me I was going to get my insurance page crap at what I do processed pension. And what you're proposing is going to kill us. You will kill us. You kill pitcher. Understand that Laney perfectly Senate president stivers. She is having certain fear of an unknown system where she's very comfortable with a known system, and she's worried there will be less incentive for teachers to sign up knowing that they won't have a defined benefit pension plan. And that she has young children and the quality of the teachers for them will be less. Well, that that's an opinion. There are many teachers that are teaching in the procure systems. Don't have those types that they have very good outcomes and results universities. I don't think many teachers have defined benefit pensions in universities now, they're paid differently and more and more. And that's difference. Teachers and Kentucky not alone. In February twenty eighteen teachers in West Virginia rallied to protest, low pay and benefits. Six thousand teachers walked out of class today. West Virginia, teachers, intern spark similar demonstrations in Oklahoma and resume. Get the latest wave of protests. We'd be country led light teachers say the future of public education is at say, I think west Virginians fired his his have next door in a mountain state that struggles with the same types of things that we do that they were able to achieve their goals. I think really ignited. Bevan's controversial keeping the promise reforms were crafted into Senate Bill one set. Leading the charge with Senator Joe boat who five years earlier had pushed through that pension Bill affecting cops and firefighters. They'd like to have your hide some well, the teachers were out there chanting look at the end of the day. We're trying to save the system form. That's that's the irony of all of this in my mind. Anyway, is the here we are trying to save the systems, and we're getting all this pushback. Angry and fearful teachers became a regular presence in the state capital. I'm the only governor in the lifetime of any of the teachers that had fully funded the plant and yet they seemingly hate what we're doing on a local radio show. Governor Bevin shot back main reality is a group of people that are throwing pretend deprive Bevin has made a number gone virtual statements about teachers over the last few months. John Cheever most politicians do not want to be seen as critical of teachers Matt Bevin obviously has decided he's comfortable crossing on. Why how remarkably uninformed folks are? Old thing that you can't win an argument with ignorant person in. So a person is uninformed about a topic not even able to make their own Kate what they believe if people that these are educated people with with the ability to listen to understand. So if they truly still believe that this is bad for them it is due to being misinformed. And they're like, how dare you say we don't understand the choice of languages such agreed year seen as arrogant dismissive talking down to teachers firemen policemen. If people wanna be offended, they can be offended by anything. You can parse things. Take things out of context. Even take them in context. You MRs appropriately careful choice of language and really served as bait. And I think if people constructive way. Yes, you do whether know if do does everybody agree with that? No, no regrets. No. Here's the thing. I'm trying to save a system that needs to be saved. By March twenty eighteen the pension Bill had stalled and time was running out. So with just a few days left in the legislative session state, Republicans try to last minute maneuver, if we do not take action on this pension Bill. They will be massive layoffs across the Commonwealth of Kentucky Senator Morgan mcgarvy. None called into a crowd capital. Groom we do not handed to build our toll. They were gonna vote on good compromise plan. Turns out that they were handed a sewage Bill they're swapping out anything they had to do sewers and putting in languages that change the pension system in Kentucky forever going forward. First of all this is very unfair to vote on Bill that out of the check the number of pages that are on this field. And it has got the naked this decision today and then limit discussion. And no one had a chance to read it outside of the Republican members of the Senate Democrats hadn't had a chance to read it the teachers association the public the press. Nobody else knew it was in there. And this thing's about. Come along. This is a committee meeting, sir. Yes, there it is. And we're allowed to ask questions or anything pretended to this Bill, which none of his essays up to couple of you guys of never seen such Gorby stolen out here in my years service. We've had three or a lot of anger in the room extreme Hank committee chair Jerry Miller, it was an unpleasant task. I was asked to do. No one wants to make other people unhappy, and and I will say I've Oded on plenty of bills. I didn't get to read. Unfortunately, I had no choice, but you have to consider all of the factors. We couldn't pass a budget. If we didn't have a pension Bill, and that is why I agreed. We've got to get this Bill back to the floor. So we can have a debate full debate on it knowing that the optics were terrible. I'm concerned first of all that what we're doing illegal. I'm hoping that we can have a Representative of the teacher organization to testify here today. On this Bill would that be permitted? Mr chairman. That's not on the in the order. No. Is there? Could you? Explain why we we're not having a Representative of teachers to testify on this Bill since they are the main people are going to be affected by it. We have heard loud and clear how the teachers feel about SP one. And this plan has made changes responsive to those questions. Does anyone have a question on the Bill will that's a masking these questions about the villain Representative, Richard? Can I finish? My my my times chairman of called Representative Richard Representative Richards, it became clear to everyone in the room that the Republican majority was not interested in hearing, the Democrats have junctions to the Bill thing. No other questions. Madam secretary. Please call the roll chair chairman's. It was absolutely just gut wrenching to watch. Them foul. You're out of order you're out of order to buy. This would you. It was. Well, this is what we're going to do. This is how we're going to do it. And we're going to over vote you because we have a supermajority titled sick. All. Committee is John how could you guys shave in the morning without cut your throat everyone's upset tensions are high. And that's when we had five thousand teachers show up in Frankfurt. Many teachers and state employees are upset about being caught off guard and not having a chance to see the Bill before patch in twenty years. My state capital. I'd never seen protests like that the teachers kept coming coming. They were there every day. Attorney general Andy Bashir you dedicate your life to public service while we wouldn't pay you enough. We guarantee you a solid retirement. They there. Because the law doesn't allow you to change a sewage Bill into a pinch. It bill. On the same day. That's. Christina Franco crossbar that is still like another slap in the face to take our pension be all inputted onto a sewer Bill without that symbolic. It was perfect. I mean, they couldn't have chosen a better metaphor. Here's your here's your. Here's your sewage. Many like Randy week blame Wall Street for creating the mess. Others blame the governor's. Then lawmakers who neglected the pension phone over decades. Inside the capitol with teachers filling the gallery, nor makers debated how to cut the budget to shore up the pension fund. Many of the cuts proposed were to public education. I think teachers are beginning to realize that the whole system is under assault Mandy week. What is going to happen to that generation of children will be able to learn if they come into school because the social safety net, and it's very thin as it is has been shredded. All of those that are at for re-election right now that we're not France public education. We're hoping that they won't be there say. Be. Everybody's going to be shocked to see how many of us come out in force to put improve public education candidates. For now, Kentucky's attorney general has successfully blocked Bevin sewer Bill in court. The teachers are afraid of what the future holds. The pensions of some other Kentucky state workers are facing insolvency in around three years. Teachers worry that when the time comes for them to retire. The state won't have the money to pay their pensions. Durmus David Sirotta state, lawmakers don't want to raise taxes voters don't want to accept taxing greases. Retirees I think rightfully don't want to accept cuts to benefits that they were promised. Kentucky the bills coming due. Now. We are going to see situations where pension funds literally do not have the money to pay out benefits to people who have been promised those benefits. Yet. I'd being slot in some instances by the very people that were trying to save. It's like saving drowning that like somebody. There's fighting you fighting you pulling you under you just need to knock out drag them to shore. Yeah. And we have to say system governor about Bevin couldn't put any more specifically than that pre sheet. The wakeup call. I won't be the governor. When this thing falls apart. The next governor, regardless of who they are. Or what ideology they represent won't matter. What lie they give reality will come crashing home? The end game is pretty clear pensions are on their way out report. Jon. So blind to have within the next generation or two is Americans who are going to have terribly insecure time. They're going to have to live on whatever they've managed a squirrel away to their own savings. Teachers the one benefit you got for sure it was a pension to retire on lissome security indignity. The end of your career, but in Kentucky after the summer that might. What happens if you have no pinch? I don't wanna think about that. I don't know. I don't I don't know. What is the difference between the I sixty problems? Many of us teachers are working paycheck to paycheck trying to make ends meet point maker. I have no savings. So my opinion is everything without that. I want. I want. Got great day a seal beautiful. Go to PBS dot org slash frontline. How states nationwide or dealing with the pension problem? What is Kentucky's problem is New Jersey's problem is illinois's? 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"You're listening to the globalist first broadcast on the twenty third of April. Two Thousand Twenty on monocle twenty four the globalist in association with U. S. Live from London. This is the globalist. I'm Emma Nelson and a very warm welcome to today's program coming up. Spain extended lockdown until the first half of May we examined Madrid's approach and ask how corona virus has made existing political problems even worst also coming up the number of people infected in Turkey. Nears one hundred thousand. So why is the president only imposing a four day lockdown and never want to miss out on turning a crisis into an opportunity is Russia love bombing other nations protective equipment and offers of help? Plus the editor of a far-flung newspaper tells us what and how they cover the news unique history of Japan leaning political circumstances we also recalled very extensively on UK developments ethically regulate to us plus the newspapers and business headlines to. That's all coming up on. The globalist live from London before we begin a quick look at today's top stories. Us President Donald Trump has signed an executive order to suspend the approval of some green cards. Australia is calling for G. Twenty countries to clamp down on wildlife markets and a New Zealand. Man Who claimed to is being unlawfully detained at home has had his legal case against the Prime Minister Justin. The ogden dismissed stay tuned to monocle twenty four throughout the day for more on these stories. But first Spain's prime minister has said. His nation's severe lockdown measures will begin to be lifted next month the country one of the hardest hit by the corona virus is trying not only plan for slow reopening but is some say emerging as one of the loudest voices attempting to shape the E. U.'s approached as a whole to Cova nineteen will join me is Monaco's Madrid correspondent Liam aldus Liam welcome as Etymological Twenty-four. Could you just explain what these measures are to lift the lockdown or they've been gradually implemented over the last couple of weeks? The last time I spoke on the globalist we were talking about the phase read. Production of non essential workers to the workforce. That's gone ahead. Quite smoothly but Sanchez has been under fire. Because he is listening to the experts. But that's been quite frustrating. For level. Spanish people particularly parents who have had to deal with their kids in lockdown now. Spain has been one of the strictest countries with the lockdown and kids haven't actually even been allowed outside so from Sunday. Onwards children under the age of fourteen will be allowed out accompanied by an adult at all times. Initially this was announced says they would be allowed to go to the shops with parents But there was a huge outcry about that and I had to kind of wind back those strict measures and said that now they'll be able to go out for walks and up to three kids at a time and what was initially meant to be a bit of good news from better. Sanchez turned into a bit of a disaster because he had to go on a on the back foot and and can rectify some strict measures. That hasn't really been consulted a lot with the experts. Now that's a big criticism of Federal Sanchez's Government. Is that improvising too much particularly from the opposition yesterday in parliament. All the pretty much all. The opposition parties came out and said this government is improvising. But I don't really think gets much of a fair criticism because all governments are improvising to a certain extent with this they need to kind of adapt their policies and rectify as much as possible. And while that may seem a little chaotic also shows that they're paying attention to what they're doing and then not too confident which means they're probably going to try and get the best deal alibi. Our who knows there has been quite focused on Spain and questions being asked as to whether political infighting and existing political problems have actually been made much worse by corona virus at a time that perhaps it isn't needed. Well there was a bit of a perhaps naive hope the crisis like this would provoke of achieve clearer heads in a way in some of the political class but I guess the reality is that this this political class and this parliament is the product of years of political fractures and and even distrust in the political establishment on the behalf of the electorate just because of corruption because of institution's failing because of a crisis that stretches way back into the last decade and beyond so that was the hope that maybe these leaders would would start maybe looking at their job and their duty at new but that really hasn't happened particularly from the Conservative Party. And Vox which is the far right party. Which has the third biggest party in the parliament? Both of those. Those two opposition parties are battling for supremacy for the opposition kind of role of the opposition. And of course they're not really worried about how good the government is doing or out stretching. Hand the trying to fight each other so we saw scenes yesterday in the parliament is better Sanchez. He did achieve the extension of the state of alarm until the night of May. But you saw comments from Boxiang that Sanchez turned the entire country into a vista jail. You saw public asylum. Coal Better Sanchez ally over and over again and really hammer him on the real death toll. That's a huge Weakness and a bit of distrust with the government because the figures of the actual death toll in Spain astill disputed you saw Madrid actually change the official death toll yesterday and raise it by a sixth seventh nearly seven thousand people. So there's a little bit of politicking around around the numbers but also just distracts from the big picture and the big picture is. What is the country going to do? Now that it's going to start getting back to business and start thinking about how adjust its economy and and kind of just to this new normal when you have this pushing and pulling from various political voices and do you have other issues. Such as a the Catalonia issues well still bubbling under low under under all this and then you have the announcement that they're reworking their the deaths figgers. How much faith is there in the government and the way that is handling the crisis? Well there are some promising numbers from the national. The National Statistics Institute showing that the majority of the population is listening to the government and thinks they're doing an okay job now. The term okay is very broad. People in spite never really satisfied with the government. There is probably a little bit of a trumpet. Hope that that will do a good job. But like I said there's a lot of distrust in the government particularly the fact that this is the first coalition government that Spain has had since the since democracy started in the late seventy s and the role of Pablo glaze. Lead of Palmos in the government is is really kind of inflaming tensions particularly from the riot who basically don't see any any opportunity or did I any opportunity to kind of bring up the word Venezuela and the fact that Spain is going to turn into Venezuela and in the wake of this crisis. That's a little bit ridiculous. But you did mention Catalonia there as well and there's lots of kind of politicians in Catalonia. Who just yesterday. One of the kind of secessionist leaders who's actually now the leader of the Chamber of Commerce in Bacelona. Put out a tweet saying that. Spain is unemployment and death and Catalonia is life and future and then put a kind of rant about how if Catalina was independent. There would have been a lot less loonier so obviously there are forces who are trying to take advantage of. Spain's weaknesses in this crisis. But the question is will the Spanish public kind of beyond that and and realized that. These are just opportunists. And in the middle of all this era suggestions that the Spanish government is going to propose to other governments at one point five trillion euro recovery fund and is placing itself front and center at the concerted and organized effort to combat corona virus within the EU. So this is part of better Sanchez's policy or strategy from the beginning of government. This new government has only been in power for a few months but he he's last government also tried to really amp up. Spain's role in the area. Which is being underrepresented in the last last few years you have seen new faces in the leadership. So just Burrell's your foreign minister Spanish colonial my ad. That's a development sparrow. Sanchez will will be talking to Iran. Today he'll probably be a little bit at a disadvantage because he won't be able to be on the sidelines of the summit and and doing all those kind of backroom deals I mean we. We've talked a monocle about the limits of zoom diplomacy but he is going with an ambitious position. He wants to focus on the recovery. Not The response to coronavirus a virus but a recovery fund of around one point five trillion euros which we financed through perpetual. Au instead of grants which some analysts are saying that that will strengthen the probability of getting approved because it will help People like Miracle. Get it through the German. The German parliament But Better Sanchez is trying to get trying to focus attention on on the big picture and that is how is that going to confront this crisis and particularly reinforce solidarity with the countries in the south there is a sentiment along among a lot of Spanish people and I'm sure among a lot of Italians as well that the it really hasn't been up to the job in this hasn't shown solidarity and a lot of a lot of people that I've talked to are questioning. What's the point of the Times like this at a massive crisis the EU doesn't stand together and and help each other out? Liam are there any glimmers of hope for Spain now? Well that's a very interesting question. It's hard to see through the fog. We still in that kind of response phase. A lot of Spanish people are joking that perhaps this somma. There'll be a lot more space on the sand her for Spaniards now that's a bittersweet probability because the tourism industry and hospitality industry which is about six percent of Spanish. Gdp is going to be very hard hit but there have been a lot of businesses talking about specifically restaurants and hotels talking about how they're going to adapt to this crisis. We've seen some very inventive solutions purse beck screens in restaurants and gift packs breakfast gift packs hotels instead of buffets coming out so a lot of businesses are trying to adapt to this. Oh there's been a lot of ingenuity and creativity which is a promising sign Monaco's lamb aldus in Madrid. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on the line. You're listening to the globalist. Stay with us because later on. We'll have the latest business. News will celebrate Japan and we look at the newspapers too but I with the time here in London. Twelve minutes past seven seven twelve. I am the number of people infected in Turkey with the corona virus is pushing one hundred thousand. But there's been no strict lockdown or tight restrictions of movement as has been seen in so many other countries. Let's hear from Honolulu. Linda Smith History Bill correspondent for the Times Locum Bank to the globalist Hanukkah to have you here. And what's the situation like at the moment? Well as in many other countries getting daily updates hair every evening about the number of cases in the number of deaths and as you say the the number of cases has been rising really steeply. There are now more than nine. Tate thousand confirmed cases. That's the highest number of anywhere outside the US we Europe but what is interesting. Is that the official number of deaths is very very low. Compared to the number of cases two thousand three hundred seventy six confirmed deaths from the corona virus which means it's about one in forty one and forty five ratio which is far lower than what we're seeing in other places now. There are some questions about whether the government has been reporting accurately us some people from the opposition saying that they could be some kind of cover up but I really should say it doesn't appear at this point that that he does have the same kind of death writers of the countries. We're not seeing reports of intensive care units being overwhelmed or anything like that So well cases are rising. The number of deaths does appear to be quite low here so tell us a little bit more about the way that the Turkish authorities or rather president other one has decided to manage this with the absence of great lockdown D- But the number of people in cases rising. So I I mean. Where's the balance being struck? Where's the reasoning coming from? Well this is what people are really worried about. This crisis has come to Turkey. It probably the worst time. The economy was already staggering. It has been for the past couple of years. The value of the Lira has been falling foreign. Direct investments have been falling and really seems that president wants first priority from the beginning has been to try and limit the damage. He's insisting that he won't take Turkey to the for bailout as of the countries have done The that's partly because of the rhetoric that we've heard from over the past few years you know. He's cut railed against the Western against Western institutions. And clearly if he wants to go math now it was. requires certain reverse his rhetoric. So he he's insisting that he's not going to pay for bailout while at the same time trying to limit. The impact is quite clear that even if take cases do start to full. The tourism season is going to be disastrous this year. Obviously that's that's usually a big kind of income earner for Turkey. So we've had kind of what he's been calling a volunteer lockdown since second week of March when the first case was confirmed schools closed. Sports sounds closed Things that headdresses a close other shops are open oversee. The markets are open MAS- of some cities including Istanbul which is the kind of century of the Turkish outbreak. They've criticized and said look the needs to be a lockdown. What we've had for the past couple of weeks. He's a kind of strange halfway measure so for the past couple of weekends. There's been a total lockdown surplus. Leave Your House a tool for forty eight hours. The first one of those was announced with any talk to guy before it started so of course what happened is people flocked to go to the shops to stock up before it did so clearly. That's been quite badly managed. We've now just this morning started a four-day lockdown longer than the other. That's because it's the start Ramadan tomorrow. It's also a Turkish national holiday today. so clearly the government doesn't want people going in me and mingling with their families or going to communal events But really you say opposition MAS- in the big cities where where the outbreak assisting hottest on public health experts really questioning. How effective can these kind of curfews bay? When the rest of the time took saw mingling even more than they were before because defeating like they need to stock up and get prepared for these These kind of short temporary lockdowns tell us a little bit more about the way that this this is being managed publicly there has been mentioned that Those who are trying to report the news journalists never in the most safe positions in Turkey at the best of times and now being clamped down even further. Yeah I mean there's been several hundred arrests of people who've been criticizing the government's approach on social media there have been attempts to kind of muzzle medical associations who have said that doctors are not getting the protective equipment they need and of course will these things. Just don't help with the general atmosphere of trust and I think this is a big factor in why people are questioning whether there is a cover up and what the real figures are. People have become so used in in this country to not trust in governments. Not Trusting what they say that when it comes to a kind of crisis like this in which openness and transparency a really really important in owed people trust. What the government's doing then it. It's really hard to kind of get your country behind you But yes certainly they. What we can say. Government definitely wants to take control of this narrative. They want to say that they are doing better than the countries of Western Europe that they've got on top of it that you know there's something in the Turkish national character to the maximum better able to To fight this virus but the problem is like I say trust has been eroded so far at this point that nobody really believes them. And that's a little bit more about what? Turkish people themselves are doing given the fact that if you're given all these mixed messages Yet you see number of deaths and you see the number of people being infected and you see what is happening else. Where is their sense? Among people that actually self imposed curfew is possibly a self imposed? Lockdown is the best way. Well the irony is exactly what people are doing right from the start so when When I lock down was announced this kind of voluntary quarantine actually people sticking to it really well and a number of cultural factors for that. I think the family structure in Turkey is far stronger so when the schools close very early on you know it is far easier for people to find relatives to take care of. The onus is still going out to work. You have far less family's intake you both parents working for example so that makes it far easier a lot of people who live in the cities for for example University of work left. The city's really quickly and went back to the village. Is the home region so Istanbul right from the start emptied out pretty much and you know in those first few weeks you know people were respecting you. When I went out and about Detroit ever the streets were haunting Equa- but the irony is since these kind of Hoffler measures. Rinse JAS which have really kind of especially the first one just shocked people. It wasn't expected so that's thrown people off the better now. You know in the days where there isn't a curfew. The streets are far more crowded So you know this is a problem when you have very mixed messages. Coming from the governments and people don't really know what to expect. Then you start losing the momentum that had been working so well analysts in the Smith in Istanbul many thanks for joining us on monocle twenty four. You're listening to the globalist has a one. Nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharpest moins freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. Find out how we can help you contact us at. Ubs DOT COM still to come on today's program. Well we'll be finding out what happens when you launch book about Japan by multiple but I wanNA consignments of medical supplies was sent to Italy last month. Those opening the parcels were greeted with the logo from Russia with love personal protective equipment or PPI is not only a vital component component in the effort to combat corona virus but there are reports that Moscow is using it as a means of propaganda by sending it to previously perfectly robust stations in the west to try to appear more in control and more powerful. But this is true to tell us more. I'm joined by Mark Galliotti. He's a Russia analyst and senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute. Welcome back to Monaco. Twenty four mark and just to give some context. What is Russia been sending and where it been sending it to well? Essentially we've seen three different charm offensives we've seen a consignment of PP along with a bunch of medical doctors and anti virologists and so forth sent to Italy. We saw this famous or infamous consignment going to the United States that there is still some debate over whether or not the Americans paid for it or whether they got mates rates and there's also been a consignment of support for Serbia again another a traditional ally of of the Russians so this is definitely something of a charm offensive through the medium of face masks and grounds so tennis a little bit more about what the purpose of all this is. Is there a genuinely altruistic desire by Russia to save Italian lives going on here Lou? The honest answer is no but frankly no aid is entirely altruistic. It's always in any context driven by sensor of national interest. Yes obviously the Russians are saying this is a chance to try to reset. They're very fraught relationship with the West. And it's it's part of an overall campaign to say we're all in this together because it's quite interesting that last month that the virtual G. Twenty Summit Putin made a big case for the need to basically have a moratorium on sanctions. So he's hoping to build some little kind of wage issues from their point of view. It's a relatively minor commitment of resources with potentially very major payoff. Ten is a little bit more accusations. This is a deliberate effort by Russia. To a one up in is tell us about Whether this is as some people are suggesting a deliberate one upmanship gesture by Russia if you send help to countries like the United States and to Italy up until now perfectly capable of holding their own does it send a signal that actually you are suddenly stronger. More capable more in control than the others. Well yes I mean we should I suppose. Note the particularly Italian case. I mean actually the time when the eight cent Italy was in the middle of this terrible pandemic strike and actually had been appealing for aid and the Russians made a point of slimy sleeping in before the European Union. Its Act together which obviously has happened since But a lot of this is actually for domestic consumption. It's very much. Yes a a way of saying to the Russians. Look you know basically the West. Think they're so great. Look we're having to bail them out. And secondly it's I think in the hope all building some future Brownie points look. Russia is relatively early in the process that nowhere near peak and it may well be that they thought a little bit of eight now means that perhaps in a week or a month's time if things are really going bad for Russia they can expect some kind of assistance coming back reciprocally. Some people have suggested. I mean you've described them as charm offensive trying to get brownie points but there has been the suggestion that actually this is a lot more. The thought is a lot deeper and harder by Russia here that some of even mentioned the word propaganda. To what degree would you agree with that? I mean it is propaganda I mean the eighties real but nonetheless. Obviously being spun both internationally and domestically fullest effect. The thing is again. I think a lot of the accusations are linked into the suggestion. There's also a massive Russian disinformation campaign which is actually much much harder to sustain and in many ways what is really reflects is just the fact that the Russians can't simply reset. There is a deep deep justifiably deep suspicion of Russia because of Crimea because of Ukraine because Syria and so forth and therefore Russia's problem is that even when it's pretty much acting like many other countries it will always be perceived as being particularly sinister in its motivations. Tell us a little bit more about how Russia is dealing with the pandemic. I read somewhere about issues to try to limit people's access to the underground going rather wrong because everybody was given the green light at the same time and couldn't get through the barriers as a result those an enormous crowd but in terms of the way that Russia is dealing with Huge financial restrictions and already country under sanctions. What's happening there well? The official statistics at the moment are I mean. They've only had fewer than five hundred and fifty deaths. Though that's questionable the problem is that we have hyper presidential country. One in which all power has really been brought into Putin's grip and putting himself is not really taking the lead. He has basically told regional governors MAS- and so forth to to to handle the problem and they can't in Moscow itself the Mayor of Moscow Sablan in actually very much taking the lead in terms of identifying the problem and yes they have absolutely been some glitches as you mentioned for example with these new policies to get to get on the ground but on the whole Moscow's actually handling the situation quite well. They they have managed to avoid the problem of their health system being swamped but Moscow is in a very unusual situation. It's a very rich city compared with the rest of the country. It's only just really beginning to spread across the country as a whole and that's where the real fear is going to be and the point is each individual region. Seems to be doing his own thing. Some of this is going to be successful. My fear is that a lot of it won't what's about Putin's reputation. Here's a man who likes to be in control and to be the strong one leading his country through all kinds of crises. This is a crisis that is testing every single leader. What about Putin your? This is interesting point. The thing is Putin for all his match. Oh daring image. Actually putting his very risk averse doesn't like moving doesn't like taking a stand and this pretty sure of what the outcome's going to be now this pandemic is intrinsically unpredictable and so what we basically saw was Putin paralyzed and he has a step back. He'll he'll deliver sort of the good news about some kind of financial packages for whatever but he doesn't want to be regarded as as as mister bad news. He doesn't want to be the one who's announcing lockdown measures and so forth so essentially. He really has been absent. And it's interesting that this is actually picked up in the Russian press and so forth an when you've made this matt massively centralized system the zakan-iurt afford not to be present. And so I think like it or not. I'm going to try and double the blame on governors for whatever goes wrong. The fact of the matter is this is actually going to be a case in which Putin is going to be found wanting when really the country needed him. Elliot thank you very much. Indeed for joining us on monocle. Twenty four in a moment a celebration by molecule of one of our favorite places Japan. Plus we look at the newspapers and the business news too but I with time just coming up to seven hundred thousand nine. Am here in London. A quick look now at some of the day's other top stories the US president. Donald Trump signed an executive order to suspend the approval of some green cards iota which contained a number of exemptions is the last sixty days. And then it'll be reviewed and possibly extended is likely to face legal challenges. Australia's CORDING G. Twenty countries to clamp down wildlife wet markets although they haven't made a direct call for an outright banned that suggesting wet markets which is simply marketplaces selling fresh foods such as Meat Fish. Fruits and vegetables should be phased out. It's thought at a wet market in Henan. China sold live exotic animals that the corona virus I emerge and a New Zealand man who tried to sue the prime minister to send our dern over the lockdown had his case dismissed everyone in New Zealand currently has to remain at home with the exception of Essential Movement. Demand claimed he'd been unlawfully detained. This is a globalist. Stay tuned the newspaper of you in just a few minutes time but first this week is a special one despite everything for the books team Monaco and for our Tokyo Bureau. We're celebrating Monaco's much anticipated new book. Release the Monocle Book of Japan to give you a taste of what's inside. We've asked Monica lettuces to read some of the highlights of the book which is out now and available to order at website. Today we listened to the second part of Monaco's Tokyo Team Fiona Wilson and gentle your cookies conversation about the making of the book. Uh I'm looking at the picture of the Accra Hotel which people might remember. We had a campaign a few years ago. Campaign of asking people not pleased. Knock down the the orchestra built in the sixties and we absolutely loved it. It's a very long story but actually what happened in the end. Was They rebuilt this very famous lobby to level of perfection? I I just stood the Joe on the floor. When I saw the finished the final thing the finish was in the end. They recreated it. It was quite startling was it. You felt like you've been taken back to real was really as we time trouble. We just really couldn't believe when we walked into the lobby. We still remember really vividly. I think it was the ultimate sort of presentation. Wh- Cross money in this country candor and the way they've gone back to all these cross people he'd worked on the original hotel they recreated parts a really interesting way. I mean I was a bit skeptical and then actually it keeps these crafts alive. The weaving that had to go into the hangings now. That was something that was almost lost. They didn't know how they'd made those. The people in the company now had to go back to the original drawings they had to try unpick the old and I thought about so interesting and I know the cheaper thing to do would have been to just have the photographs of the old place and put something new and they didn't do which really strong no compromise. May I wasn't yeah. Amazing visit to the factory in Kyoto to see that embroidery fabric company. Yeah always read amazed to see these. You know how people in this country are prepared to go and I think this. This book is not just about craft and the exceptional. I think love is about daily life which is really interesting. So you've got all the things that we take for granted the delivery services the amazing convenience stores you've got transport obviously the trains roxy unbelievable here. The bullet train. I think it's a celebration of the way people live in an everyday where it doesn't always have to be extraordinary stories on centuries old traditions in some ways it's that whole thing put into modern life. And how does it manifested so yes it works? It has always. We've we've been always always sort of surprised to see how everything is. Run on the and everything works so we also look at shopping. Retail's big part of the story here because I think it shows a lot of things about Japan. Doesn't it the neatness? Well I mean people just love shopping fermented. We've done new old shops barbers. We've got a great section on a local bar but we know very well and I think that's another food retail culture so hopefully in the book. We've we've given quite a rounded picture of Japan. What do you think yeah? I think we've really covered the country from obviously from my own perspective. But this is you know for us. The out met almost the best of them on Japan and with the greatest greatest stories. We've covered over the years from hotels. Hospitality fashion culture tradition and architecture and design. Yeah I think we've we've lived it stories and we've really celebrated these stories so we are really happy to see with amazing voters the completion of this massive work. Yeah I think you're right greatest hits. Let's call it. That and I think it's such a celebration of the photographic work we've done over the years and it's really lovely to see these photos live again you know. Sometimes we didn't publish the photos that you see in this book. So it's the first time they've been seen and it's absolutely amazing to to to see them live again so. I think that's right I think and also it's not just Tokyo. We've done as you say it's many other places up and down Japan so I think it's a nice rounding up of what we've done over the years and hopefully people will see how much love has gone into this over the years. Yes I said I lost and I think it's also this is you know we also have to thank all the contributors. We worked with amazing in a photography's done by our japan-based photographers affairs illustrations. So it's been it's been a great pleasure to see this book and to really realize that you know what a great team we have in Japan and London too and my thanks to Monaco's funeral Wilson engine to your for in Tokyo. Make sure to tune in tomorrow where we discussed the wonder of Japanese magazines and the book is as beautiful as You. Think it might. Well be go to our website and order it and enjoy. Something really. Can't leave your house. You're with the globalist. Let's have a look at today's newspapers joining me as miracles culture editor Jerry Miller who has a look what is happening in Italy Kierra. Welcome back at. What's happening last? Stampa is saying that Italy must reopen indeed. Yes obviously this is the big discussion at the moment in Italy The international press has been reporting on how the overall number of positive cases is going down but a conversation. Italy is very much now shifting to. What do we do about the economy? And how and when can we reopen? That's been the problem on his plate this week. And he's now announced a number of measures to enter war in Italy's called face to and I think this is very interesting to monitor because obviously Italy and Spain being so badly hit by the pandemic. They are in many in many ways. The point of reference for many other European countries perhaps more so than those have been last affected in terms of how you can get out of a situation that has been dramatic healthwise and economic was of course so context now saying that is just not sustainable to keep shot for much longer and that We'll just have to take for granted that the numbers will rise again wants to some degree of lockdown lifted. Obviously right now. The situation is very strict and comtesse not proposing to just lift everything all at once you might imagine but what is suggested is dot factories. Construction sites and some retailers will be able to reopen from the fourth of May. Obviously that's depending on whether these factories will be able to had to a number of session distancing measures and protection of the health of their workers. The question of priority. Isn't it apart from the very very serious issue of? How much does the economy suffer? How much does human life have to pay the price? There is an issue that everybody's watching. Italy's he says the. What do they think needs to be opened? First to make sure the economy can actually stay intact when it's interesting. Because of the manufacturing industries will be the first ones to reopen on the four th of May but then again there's discussions as to whether for example closed shops and homeware shops will be able to reopen shortly afterwards as well because if you reopened a production of fashion and homewares which as we all know is very important for the Italian economy. Then you need to reopen the whole production chain around that the whole retail chain around otherwise all these new products are be mate. Won't find any way to market so everything has to come in a little bit of a kind of retail chain sector-by-sector kind of Approach let's move onto a serious article from La Repubblica. Everybody is aware of impending damage. Serious damage that will be done to. Every single nation's economy before going into the corona virus pandemic Italy was struggling. It was on the brink of recession and as a result the fears for people who are going to be genuinely left in poverty at the end of this very very serious only yes. It's very very real and public. Titles with a very impressive from page saying ten million anelle risking poverty now that would mean that the overall title of people in in absolute poverty in Italy would rise to a fifth of total population which is huge and by the end of the current. Ivars Pine Democ. They'll probably be one million unemployed. This is just two guys to prove that and the the the economic Arm Wrestling. That's going on between the the House on the economic aspects in the decisions are being made about face to have to take into consideration consideration also that this enormous number of new genuinely people who are generally risk of total poverty. Well have health consequences for the people who are at risk of such poverty as well. We'll have life consequences on them as well. There are comments being made in Italy. About how whatever the virus didn't kill poverty will kill and it between two thousand and eight thousand eighteen. The percentage of salary debt people have managed on average to save is gone from eight to two point five percent so obviously people largest skimming the very bottom of the barrel at the moment and twenty to thirty percent of small medium businesses could already could be completely wiped out by this crisis because they were already struggling before that so it's not surprising that another another article on letter public says the in Italy under thirty five are the most pessimists in pro pessimists in Europe about the effects that the current virus pandemic will have on their plans and projects for the future. This is the same generation as obviously seen the Economic crisis and living through the second massive recession in an Italian history. Many have said that to lead that it is the younger generation who will end up paying for all this. But there has been There's a suggestion today that Spanish the Spanish again to tell the European Union that a one point five trillion euro recovery fund needs to be built up to make sure that people actually can stand a fighting chance of getting their way. Out of this. I mean is there any sense? There's there's trust in the Italian leadership for example to do something similar to what Spain is doing namely head to Brussels and say right. We need a big plan. Yes I mean This is where things do get very tricky for COMTEX. People have respected his approach to the crisis specifically on the management of the health. Emergency I think judgment will become much much starker. Now that the negotiations move onto the economic stage. There's an a meeting of DVD. There's the council scheduled for Thursday so It's going to be the new stage that contest. Going to be very much judged on. The opposition has been on his hails throughout this situation and sorry for has managed to keep it at bay because people have felt that he has taken decisive action but the relationship with Europe has always been a bit of a soul point for a internal Italian politics. And that's I think when much of the internal criticism may come from. Tell us a little bit. More about Finally what the papers are saying in terms of you mentioning the tourism industry and the things that keep Italy going. The things that gets desperately excited about visiting the good restaurants Public transport things like that. What people actually now reporting on how they will practically get themselves after this program. Yes so this is the front page of the Corriere della Serra and which is trying to explain it. More in practically what the effects of face to we'll be and as you mentioned the food and travel and tourism sector in Italy accounts for huge amount and of income the corner that said I is reporting that whenever restaurants will be able to reopen. That's public going to be passed. The eighteenth of May that covers will have to be hard so restaurants will be effectively half empty. And there's interesting reflections on the effect that this will have on transport as well because once two point eight million work has returned to work on the fourth of May there will have some of them will have to use public transport so probably transport we'll have to adopt. There will be different entries and different exits for people who are getting onto the underground for example that will be an increased number of services and there would also be controls on the public transport and so rather than to check in for tickets. People will be checked if they are maintaining social distancing but I think there is a silver lining in that perhaps this will encourage Italian cities that so far has really been pursuing options in public transport offers cycling tracks in encouraging to use bicycles to move in that direction so hopefully from the point of view of urbanism. That could be a civilizing that Gary Mela thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle. Twenty four you're listening to the globalist. Ups is a global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people we bring fresh thinking and prospected to our why we know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lasting value for all clients. It's about having the right ideas of course but also about how the one of the most accomplished systems and an unrivalled network of global experts that's why at. Ubs We pride ourselves on thinking smarter to make a real difference tune into the bulletin with UBS every week for the latest insights and opinions from ubs all around the world. Let's talk business now on monocle. Twenty four joining me the financial journalist and broadcaster Lewis Cooper. Welcome Back Louise. Tell us a little bit. I mean we've mentioned twice already this. Add the fact that the Spanish authorities want to get the European Union to come up with this enormous multi trillion euro recovery package. The Italians need it like nothing else. Is it ever going to happen? So I think it's quite useful here to compare what happened to the states to what happened in the EU so first of all the krona virus hit the E U v Italy much earlier than America having said that the size of the two economies about roughly the same and yet trump has already got his two trillion dollar recovery. Plan it was signed and sealed a couple of weeks ago and the checks were already in the post for Americans. Americans are already getting if they earn less than ninety grand a year. The will granny getting them. One thousand two hundred dollar check from the and they're getting a five hundred year five hundred dollars for each child as well and we've already seen the American Government handout the money for the business recovery. Plan as well so in America well coronavirus late. The money's already in the post being handed out to people Here in Europe this is. I think it's a full meeting of European leaders today expected the talks will take place today and yet nothing has really happened so again. The recovery plan is about the same sort of two trillion euro. Whether it will ever happen frankly who knows. It's creating huge arguments amongst Europe. The typical split is always the northern Europeans with that austerity and a lack of desire to spend an southern Europeans and that sort of desire for fiscal profligacy. If you believe the Germans so yes we are waiting to see if this will this meeting. Today will actually cools anything to change. But it's unlikely at the same time you've got ten thousand Europeans dead. You've got the euro European economy the euro-zone economy particularly looking at its worst crisis. Probably since this sort of the Second World War I mean the the level of this economic claps is going to be far worse than the Global Financial Crisis. So yes you know yet. More indecision inability to make decisions that is really characterized the E. U. in crises of the pass. And at this point some people are suggesting that this is a crisis too far for the European Union that that delaying in that sluggish nature. Which and that you know. Infighting is something which has not been great but hasn't actually broken the EU and some people announcing nursing. Actually now is the time that things start to really false pieces. Well the French are saying that the French said this is an existential crisis if the EU and if we don't actually come up with a plan to to Europeans and businesses through this crisis it'll be the end of the EU. We've heard that many many many times before it's almost impossible protects. What will be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Frankly he knows but don't expect too much from this meeting. Let's move onto credit. Suisse is results are out. What's happened whether they're on their way out? What's expected Louise? So it's all about the recession in. It's all about how bad it could be now in recessions businesses go bust. That's what happens. And they don't repay their loans. That's what happens so banks feel the brunt of this and so what we're seeing with. Credit Suisse results is credit. Three saying okay. We gotta say banks businesses going. We need to increase our bad-loan provisions. We need to put aside money because we're not GONNA be repaid by businesses that coke bust and they've taken about six hundred million dollar loan loss provisions this quarter which was double what most analysts expected. What is more important? Is that talking about making the same loan loss provisions in future quarters as well and this is since its banks really bad the brunt of a lot of economic pain during a recession. This is very much mirroring what we've seen with. Us banks they've taken something like a twenty five billion dollar hate as a group saying this is the level of defaults. Were EXPECTING ALTHOUGH FRANKLY. It could be a lot larger than that and this really mirrors. What unicredit the Italian Bank said any? Yesterday they're going to take nine hundred million euros or provision in just the first quarter the one while they're entertaining aside is the purse the poor CEO of credit threes only been in the job a couple of months pricing rather extraordinary crisis for running a bank. So Yeah Poor. Blow job two months and is facing this kind of crisis. Thomas Got Stein. Credit threes boss is called. We wish him the very best finally now until about seven weeks ago. I'm not quite sure. How many people had heard of zoom and now it is all we hear Rav and it has been many said the great success story of current virus not so so extraordinary so at the beginning of the year they were getting something like ten million meetings currently there now getting three hundred million daily meeting participants. So that's how much it's grown. The share prices soared as you would expect to at a record high. However there's been issues with eight. Eight security leading to a phenomenon could zoom boming a new term. Apparently uninvited trolls gave access to video conference to harass participants which given most zoom call side. They're not that exciting. So how you want to go on and harass participants in a zoom in a work zoom. Call now idea anyway. It's led a number companies dime lyrics and Bank of America Tesla and governments to ban team meetings on zoom zoom. Now working on improving its encryption and say that there's going to be a new New encrypted version out soon Microsoft teams also doing very well regarded as slightly more trustworthy alternative. I rather like this little thing though today in BBC news apparently there's been so many dodgy home haircuts on zoom meetings on zoom. Work work meetings that one. Welsh hairdresser has come up with online hair. Cutting tutorials so. I think I might look at that today. He may laugh Louis but my son's hairdresser taught me to cut my son's hair last week over over. Zoom a my husband and I sat a says about him with a pair of scissors and we did it. And we think we've done a better job than anybody else. So you say that's a ring me out and I will give me two royals. I want the photo. Put It on twitter. Your own Louise Kipah. Thank you very much. Indeed for joining us on monocle. Twenty four once a week. Monaco's hearing from a newspaper editor from one of the more far flung corners of the earth row weekend edition. Newsletter is in a section. We called outpost news from this fall. Bar Docu PELLAGRA. In the Arctic Circle to the island of Saint Helena in the midst of the Atlantic. We've spoken to a breadth of publications making an effort to learn a little bit more about what local news really means to an isolated community. A little earlier Monaco's Louis Harnett. Amirah spoke to Brian Raise. Whose editor of the Gibraltar Chronicle about. How he's covering the goings on on his small Mediterranean Peninsula Gibraltar's a British tabloid food. So we follow your system the newspaper. The edits was first published in eighteen thirty one. So it's quite record as it were we the principal daily newspaper one An Volta which has resident community of about study two thousand people that has several fans in all that coming day from Spain. Whether it's cool truism order doesn't just in because obviously we would cover everything that a normal small newspaper serving a small fights cover stuff finding meetings But also because of unique location because of to protest unique history because of his unique political circumstances we also recalled that extensively on UK developments ethically as they relate to us and also in Spain will be punished politics this kind of thing and also events multi in the six of us on staff and then we what since eight ounces off and we take an old school approach to the collection of news shows. I like to see my newsroom. Antiques means that people are doing what they should. And how you finding the moment much in your newsroom. Copy to empty or your newsroom is entirely indoors. We kind of saw this coming in terms of the lockdown. We're in we're entering the fourth week of Rock Dining Travolta so basically similar to what's happening in the UK but not quite a bit stricter some elements so people essentially you're at absolute centralism full of food shopping exercising. Showpiece himself so we saw that coming. What we did was we have a rapidly sets up remind working what flow completely remotely and the biggest challenge to be honest is is a Houston amongst full news. Happens as it were a given example we cover as day at the government office. They have confidence at four. Pm UPDATE ON ANY DEVELOPMENTS. That people need to be away agent to overnight in crisis. We used to be covering that in person. These days is essential difference on. We use a system that we need some base overcome showing it. We don't buy what's up so ideal but we wanted to to get information that we poorest and that is a fundamental print needs a fundamentally but at the same time we need to get the stuff lines. Online's people really want to quit teen and it's the same pressures that every newspaper. Every anywhere is feeling but Fossett's becomes as we are they small stocks but it's also interesting. I'm not complaining by any means right. So what is making the news at the moment? What was causing headlines? Obviously that's the current of ours Wall specific to Gibraltar is kind of stunning out to you kinda unique situation because we have a lot of interaction with Spain. We have a Lotta insects with what's happening in both those countries just huge interest to us a tickly within all of that we gain out of our way to find good humor I'll give you an example of once that story that stood out for me in the last few days and it was. This gentleman is eighty two and he had the round the world cruise holiday on his own his last big choosing voyage of King. The traveling appreciates so he. He's I in Asia and the attendee gets cancelled for all the obvious reasons. Over coach on low he'd spent the government shouldn't January they'd been at sea for like weeks on end and finally the Shit get sent back to the UK so as trump is like on the ship. Neier I'M GONNA end up on the docket in the UK. How am I going to get home? And when that became men here the local transport ship agent operator the Port Authority health officials basically words to allow this vessel to make a very quick stop as it sailed through straights people people to which is Which must shit move at some point and when it was coming through the Strait. It made a very brief stop This guy of Shit and they actually allowed a Spanish couples while to to get off the ship from Seville we have a reporter on the hog about and we got ourselves if antastic slowly that was really uplifting at the same time. It really showed challenges. Brian Raise editor of the Gibraltar Chronicle. He's talking to motorcycles. Louis Hanukkah Ere listening to monocle twenty four. And that's all we have time for today's program many thanks to our producers. Marcus hippy and collateral Rabelo and page Reynolds to our set to Charlie Phil mccord and Studio Manager Nora well after the headlines as more music on the way. The briefing is live at midday in London. Andrew Miller's Yo haste with that and the globe list is back at the same time tomorrow but for now from me Emma Nelson Goodbye. Thank you very much indeed for listening.

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# 87 - Stan & Ollie / Colette / 24 Hour Party People

"This week on truth and movies. It's another fine mess hardy in the affectionate comedy tributes down Ali I've never getting married again. And just going to find the woman, I don't like firehouse here nightly stars in the human bio bio-pic collapse. I believe when he based quoting impart on school days. Yes, I think I had something to contribute. Kind of film clip. Steve Coogan, the unlikely music mogul Tony Wilson in the Manchester music epic twenty four hour party people this -tendance the bigger history. So a twelve people last Sopa. Hospitals that kissing hold Archimedes on his own in the buff coming up and truth and movies, white lies podcast. Yes. Mike alita here in the host chair says in cross from David Jenkins. White lies. David and welcome back Simone, Hans film critic for the observer good morning. Well, we recording this in the morning of the BAFTA nominations being announced an annual early morning for the prestige film industry, even early morning with the American film industry. Do we have any big snubs big reactions to the bathroom? No so far. Well, the best film list is is quite weird. I'm thanking it's the favorite Greenberg. Black klansman stars. Rogue owners stars stars born which it seems odd missing from that thing. Not what's missing what shouldn't be. There is correct question. Why why is green book there? And what does it mean for the us IRS seems to be coming? The you know, one of the favorites in this conversation this year after Golden Globes over the weekend. Yeah. I suppose they, but I'm reminded of a tweet the friend of the poet Charline tweeted about this. And I still think it's funny. I only have one thing to say about the Oscars, and it's actually about the buffed does or caps. If a British film wins best film than by definition. It should also win best British foam. Exactly. So that way. No. But I guess the big snub is is Lynne Ramsay for you never really here, which is nominated for best bridge foam. But. I'm really sad that one of my favorite films have lost year. Leave no trace isn't on on in the mix scene for the film. Can you? Forgive me as well. It's got lots of notes for acting for Melissa McCarthy, enriched grant deserve it. I think, but I think Mario hell is direction is gray. And she's just not been in the conversation as much she should have been adapted screenplay as well as usual the performance categories screenplay. Kathy's seems to have some more interesting nominations. If street could talk about his screenplay nominated. They Regina king has been snubbed from supporting actress. We'll get onto today. But there's lots of people still love impersonations a as opposed to actually building a character from from scratch, but scratch made as they say in the food industry. I believe they certainly doing America. Yes. As you. I'm not even follow that one through. Willful through is this impersonations bit. Because pubescent film of a best actor stemming only including Steve Coogan playing STAN laurel of a what do you think of that? We'll see momentarily won't we any final comes in the Baptist. It's great since the spite of us is the best animated film and shoplifters is a pa- best foreign language film that might pigs. I'd probably say that Romer I'm big fan pleased to see that kind of dotted around everywhere. I will still be standing star is born and crossing my fingers fit. All if those people are standing for by me rep city. No, I'm not. And I'm actually, you know, not very happy about it being nominated for best British foam with Bryan singer listed in the brackets next to the nomination. It's not really a very good. Look notes. Notes, but let's chrome with what seems to be with Steve Coogan special festive. We have first new release the week. Just stan. Ali. Steve Coogan, and John C Reilly played a legendary comic GIO in this topic, which focuses on the past late career touring the musicals Britain in the nineteen fifties in defiance of popular tastes in the industry changing around them. Can they scale the heights of humid that it in the nineteen thirties? Heyday that has put aside certain long-simmering skulls, I some dating back decades such as disputes over contracts and pay with producer that made them and stars Hal Roach. A little more you kick. Charlie Busta, Harold get ten times how basis they own their own pictures. Exactly. That's bigger to do. We going to do that. We're under contract. We can't just change the well, we stick together we go shared with how the biggest ice the pipe that doesn't work. Then we walk and set up road. I mean, I love the owner pictures, but it just doesn't seem like the right time. I've got a lot going on. This overhead is killing. You want? It all set you'll be fine just lay off the horses. Don't get married. Get didn't tell you propose to Lucy scripting. Yes. And she said, yes, that's great news, babe. So Steve and John C Reilly says now in all so David you wrote little is review has a quote, unquote, you to yourself the film's greatest failing. Is it makes you question whether laurel and hardy wood funny in the first place. Wow. Big words start. Do I need to say any more. You learn how fan in general was this. You're excited about without getting like style GIC in China and reflecting my very advanced age. I have very fond memories of from my childhood of waking up, you know, in the Christmas holidays and putting on TV, and and always be like, Lauren hardy film on love watching them as six seven year own my late grandfather was massively into them. And when we'd go around his house as a way to kind of pacify us, he would put films like way out west and the music box on for us to watch and they are films that have kind of grow. I've grown up with the definitely have as fund place in the archives of my memory and have less recall of the details of the film that I do of myself, and my brother like crying with laughter and falling off the sofa watching them. There's a bit in way out west where like. Stan Puls all these head up from some flow balls in his neck stretches in this kind of very sort of crunchy early special effect is absolutely just like just thinking about it. Now if I wasn't so ill. I would be like. Embarrassing myself laughing now, but like this film is kind of it takes this varies of maudlin soppy sentimental route of trying to look a period in their life where they were kind of past their best. They coulda chemistry was a little bit kind of uncontracted trated, I guess and and in the center, you just got Steve Coogan as STAN laurel and John C Reilly Oliver hardy. I didn't really buy that performances that just both varies studied imitations too and more. So which is strange because he has been nominated for a BAFTA found his performance supremacy irritating and and very of try hard. It was a film that if felt like they'd fed the command win BAFTA into filmmaking computer program, and this is this of the product that's come out. It's called that's very soft edged off. Oh, Casse feel to it. Just left me limp. It's funny because it's has a couple of threads around to the most feel like it could be an episode of you must remember this the golden age of Hollywood podcast talks about contract players and how Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton own their own films material. So they could shop around they could make a lot of money. They could retain the rights and have pension for life, Lauren. How'd you didn't have they contract is they were nothing without each other without contracting with Hal Roach. And then later on. On the fact that they're still doing this into the sixties musicals to drilling audiences to begin with shows that there was no safety net. Even though he could be a household name throughout the world. But it is this odd the. The. Always wished the film was more interested in then. Instead, you you have a kind of manager figure who's this very comic Machiavellian stereotype of chiseling them out of pennies, and you know, running rings around them. And yet it's just that carries. Have for me was like could have made the film so much more interesting. If it was actually a real proper carrot rather than just this very lazy kind of comic relief almost semi. Did you find this entertaining? Lazy? Interesting anything actually quite liked the film. I think I'm in a minority on this is I'm surprised that most people do like the film. I don't have a particular kind of relationship to laurel and hardy my grandma really liked it. So I kind of remember sometimes watching these films on TV when we'd go to her house with my cousins. But I mean, I don't have a particular nostalgia for it said pops my entry point is slightly different. And I guess. I didn't really know too much about their lives and also like I should add. This is exactly not my kind of movie. I don't really care about these period drama factory style by picks. So everything was teed up for me to hate it. And you know, I went to this week. And actually, I thought it kind of what you know for what it is what it's trying to do. Yes. I guess you could say somewhat sentimental, but to me, the gentleness of it kind of what I didn't think the performances would limp. I actually think Coogan is all right in this. There's like an earnestness to the performance that depending on, you know, your take on it could great or could, you know, make you feel did towards him. So I think you've hit the nail on the head. I mean, this this is Ernest to a t. Yeah. And for me, like, I guess it becomes an impersonation when you have the scenes of John C Reilly and Steve Coogan onstage, recreating the laurel and hardy comedy bits, and sometimes they don't really work sometimes they actually illustrate how beautifully simple imperfect. These sight gags were and they are still funny. But I know what you mean it you can kind of look for the ticks and try to kind of see as as an impersonation. And of course, it will never really be more than an impersonation. But in the kind of behind the scenes stuff of them fighting and bickering. What more for me? I wouldn't say I loved it. I'm not sure it's convinced me that you know, this genre. Is for me bef what it was. I think it's it's cute. It's fun. It's going to the quote was about, you know, makes you question, whether the film's funny in the first place there's a skit in the. Film that they they do which involves them kind of walking around train platform. A noodle routine is a two door routinely. Keep missing each other. As one's going in one door, the others coming out the other door, and when you see laurel and hardy, do it. It's the mannerisms of them walking. And it's the kind of nuance in their face. And it's like the little kind of double steps, they take and the supreme comic timing and the of synchronicity the makes that funny rather than the actual concept it self I guess it's as well. Like to build on that it's the over explaining of of the gags that may provide context for some people, but may be disincentive for others. These aside gags right by they play out without dialogue, the setup the physical setup is funny. And when you have them kind of working out the kinks of the jokes. I guess it's like anyone explaining Jake. Sometimes it's a film, which is explaining jokes. Maybe it was a kind of expectation thing. But you know, you see filled about standing all in you expected to be funny. They are like two of the funniest people in the history of Modena. And for me, it was a flat line. I you know, I mean just seeing him doing the dance to the Blue Ridge man's Virginia. Again, it's it's the karaoke version. They they make the mistake of showing the real footage at the end of the Craig's sequence. You're right. It's a completely different kills the film, a kind of element of of the romance between these characters the I found kind of interesting, you know, in a lot of ways it's framed as quite an explicit to months comedy format. You have their huge break up with this screaming at each other. And then they managed to kind of play into a kind of comedy bit. And then they have the the makeup seen them literally saying in bed together. I think this kind of funny and interesting about that one positive. I would say the characters you play their wives. Yeah. A really funny is unexpected. I think delightful that they she bring an element of humor to the film. Shirley henderson. I think is just a great actress must've the us. I think is read that she'll be in a film. And I think she's great in even if the film, isn't so great. And Nina, Ariana as either laurel he's a kind of Russian lilt to her to accent, and that kind of bent with each other and with their respective husbands is kind of this warmth in the comic engine of the fill more so than their relationship and the actual comedy that they're doing onstage and this dilemmas facing. I watched the film, and was you shouldn't do this. You shouldn't project film should be what you wish it was. But I couldn't help thinking I wish this was about them a film about Lauren, Hardee's wives. I. Exactly. But it's all about the marketing can the end Lauren Hart as for the strong marketing hook, which is Shane and performance. Film have Steve Kagan produced this with his company, and then once you have John C Reilly saying he'll he'll ten of meal the holiday and all this makeup outs. The engine behind the movie Simone. I'm conscious that you're gonna posse on this film. Jimmy final comments on this not really other than I've just it's just been making me thinking, I guess been thinking about this as well. Because collect could also am kind of fall into this category. But I mean thinking about prestige films, and you know, what do I expect from them? What do I want from them? What do they need to do to sort of transcend, the banality of that John RIA? I think performance is big thing. And like I said before MRs this mostly work, but also just sort of basic, competency is something that I think is very underrated. And I it feels unfair to say this film is competence. But it is an yeah. I think it's it's all right. It's all right. Let's put some schools on it then. So this is anticipation enjoyments, and in retrospect, David Lukas, firstly, I think that you'll competence that is a big this than me actively. But it's almost like that theory that to start his west than one star one star is like the kind of the outright horrible failure to star is like, you know, it's just nothing which is also is I'm probably too. Because you know, I did think there was some sort of okay elements across the board. I probably say like three stars to start off with. I was very skeptical about you know, you say Lauren hardy being given the kind of prestige Brit flick treatment when I saw it kind of confirmed. Oh, my worst fears really and. Yeah, just twos. Steve Coogan, performance was horrible. Let's talk about Steve Coogan again. Twenty up because you know, I'll prove to you that I don't just hey, Steve. It's just this police about flat lining to cross the vote David very much. I'd say my answer patient. This was probably like a one eyed really didn't care. I had no expectations. I would say my enjoyment was was maybe three and a half to edging on a four, you know. I think a lot of the time your enjoyment of a movie depends on the room. And I think it was quite warmly received in my screenings. Maybe that helped people are laughing at all I out the occasional chuckle, but on balance probably give it a solid three. Yes, it's fine. I would say, yeah. Watch it. I don't know if I would say twice plane movie. It's it's better than that. It's. It's pretty good. It's pretty good competent fine. I agree with you David and tell them it's to across the board for me. I think Steve bats, I think Johnny wiliest and better in the past twelve months in the sisters brothers. He's fantastic in that movie. That's coming out of the shares. So I'd rather watch that again. So that stemming Ali will be back with Steve Coogan later on film clip out parts people, but first we have Keira Knightley in collects. Here nightly is Sydney Gabrielle Colette young woman introduced into the cultural circles late nineteenth century Paris. By her husband, the writing on Willie played here pi Dominic west Colette ghostwriters, the semi autobiographical novel published under her husband's name when it becomes a smash hit. She's inspired to reclaim her work voice. Enter identity. On to me putting schooners ending third printing. I believe when he basically impart on school days ahead little something to contribute when I'm very glad your experiences von such wonderful fruit. Very nice to meet you. Find out. Role. Finally, we have a success. And then you imply that I'm not the true author of it. Way. Holy dynamite. Here we've created something really powerful. And if it goes off at the wrong time, they could blow on bloody heads off care nightly and Dominic west. They're Symon all of these themes a woman, reclaiming voice, not density from the man that keeps the in the in the covered speak could be more timely could it. Okay. I think the way the the tagline and the marketing of Colette tees up could maybe set view is up for disappointment. I think if they go in expecting it to be this radical Savelli ING feminist call. I don't know if they'll be entirely satisfied. However, if you go into this movie expecting to see care nightly in a prestige drama about female writer, who you don't know too much about that has had quite an interesting life. Maybe might be surprised maybe when I watched this on a set of Critics Circle screen over Christmas with my parents and very. Small glass of Sherry four PM on the day before Christmas Eve that kind of expectation this viewing really made this film work for me. I think Karen idly is right in her kind of comfort zone in the period drama. She looks amazing in the outfits the sleeves in this former incredible. But I don't know. There was something about her performance. The I felt was different to what she's usually doing. I think here nightly as what these actors who like David Tennant acts entirely with her taste. It's all in the JOL. She has it. And I love the emotion comes from the country of the jewel. But here she seems different. She seems more relaxed. She seems more loose. She seems more as I don't know. Whether that's just kind of confidence growing as an actor whether the role is just slightly more interesting than what she's usually given. I think Dominic west is very funny in this role. He could misogynistic seductive awful husband who stealing all of her ideas and positive offices. I and yes, literally locking her in a cupboard and making her right? Which is I guess one way to meet you deadline. I think it's so easy for the film to make him into caricatured villain. But he's he's just kind of witty and funny, and he's kind of lovable scampering away. I don't think that that that lets him off the hook attending the phone that's off the hook. But I think it makes dynamic more interesting to watch for sure again like I went into thinking, it would probably be. Bad probably not my Cup of tea, but actually found it quite charming. So. Similar vibes. I'm I was a little bit disappointed with it. I mean token about care nightly careers been strange, and I find that in her kind of early days of like bend it like Beckham and love actually and things like that. It was so of thought that she wasn't the greatest actress. And then those a point in career where she just of almost seemed like right? I'm not doing the kind of fluff anymore. I'm out doing these kind of easy roles. Gonna try something bit more difficult and those David Cronenberg film dangerous method. Yes. And I mean, I don't if you if you recall that best funny, you mentioned the jewel thing. But she plays this kind of character. Who's in the early bits of the film? She's in the throes of physical madness. And she has this kind of like affliction with her jaw where she's kind of like almost trying to bite her own face. And I remember seeing that thinking all right Keira Knightley is a great actor. Ever since I've I've really thought that she has been kind of an asset to most of the film she's been in. And I think she's really great in. This film is the lead in an and I actually think that this is a weird thing actually. But one of the things slightly put me off this film was a sense of almost disparity or I thought she was so much better than most other elements in the film. Yeah, I think Dominic west and her there is of interesting of two handed dynamic there. But you do have lots of soap lamentably, supporting characters her friends, his friends, and that all doubt within the most superficial way, none of them have much screen time and acting is quite bad as well. It's almost like that the director wash Westmoreland has the hurried them onto the set. 'cause he's focuses supremely on caring nightly and Dominic west. And yeah, I love as is by by at an atonement than I can't remember that. At the name of the character. But she's doing a kind of deep south accent, which is very confusing. Sometimes it sound slightly Austrailian very often me, I think this is an example of a film where those are the elements that kind of if they good you can you can almost go by not notice them for better and for worse. But then if they don't work, and if they do actually make you think these these performances they seem so weaker in relative to the leads. They really sticks out on the head Simone saying, MRs Sherry film. It's sort of like that performance dominated leap from dominated awards movie that we get every year or two something the Danish girls imitation game which touches on some pretty interesting major issues this one has sexual and gender fluidity as well as women empowering themselves wrestling out from horrible men in their lives. But it's almost to soften every one of those. Fisher. I I would have liked to if it was more gay, and if it kind of gone in to the relationships a little bit more and how to bit more data tea with them as well. I think it likes to not suggest because it does show us some things it gives us some sort of idea and understanding of collapse sexuality, but it doesn't feel kind of depraved enough. But it's not it's not that kind of movie. It's such a kind of like often, noon, the cinema on a Sunday with the family kind of foam. Maybe nine would be shocked. Okay. I think that's radical you nana's radical. Well, I think the Danish will be a perfect temperatures has to that. Because that's the sort of thing that has some pretty radical ideas in. But it's four that crowd for maybe a gray a pound of an audience. Maybe not sure this film is that I'm not sure it's as kind of conservative, and and kind of withholding as something like the Danish go also has the benefit of not. Starring Eddie red main is causing Mayfair Mayfield. Okay. That's a reference to. Let's go back to Sherri, Sherri, Sherri. But let's finish with some scores on this film. I I'll come to you first Cimarron. I would say anticipation perhaps a three I'd had that it wasn't great. But you know, I went in with an open mind enjoyment. I would give it probably a foreign on. I'd say on reflection. Give it a four as well. I quite like, this muchly David as quite like here ninety now. So I'm getting a give it a three inches of patient. Hurry threes across the border. Actually, it's not like I didn't find it offensive. I think it's actually just one maybe last point in anticipation of a film that's coming up in a couple of weeks. I think Mary Queen of Scots it's potentially part of this of a wave of period movies, which made anticipating the kind of progressive politics of now where you have these historical stories engineered to be talking about, you know, feminism and female empowerment, and it's interesting to see. See them happening. But sometimes I film like very clear Scott does it in a very contrived way. I think this is a little bit more subtle and interesting. This is better than than sit of suffragette. You know, I wouldn't put it in. Category. I don't think it's as as kind of paint by the numbers as thought well give this threes across the board. Really? I think this ground has been better than some of the films. Quite passionate film. I'd recommend was film released vehicle, professor master. And the one the women which is gay which is more radical especially about the place of relationship that in this society around them I'd recommend checking out out instead, but let's put the Sheri's aside. Let's get out the ecstasy tablets because we're off to Manchester in the nineteen eighties for twenty thousand people. So twenty four hours people's the first collaboration between Steve Coogan director, Michael Winterbottom charts. Two decades of music history in the Nolan powerhouse of Manchester the scene that gave the world joy division. New order happy Mondays and the notorious Halcion nightclub hottest hole was factory records headed up by Anthony h Wilson a punk impresario by nights and a local TV host by day. Twenty. To the night the Hassi under. Everyone wants to play. Queen the stones. I chose a certain ratio because they will mind, and that was the point of the hacienda. It was a place for people. We knew people we could trust. I believe so excited as well. For the no Roe. No, it might work as a winning show jazz. No, they're funny. No, let me tell you John's last refuge, the talents jazz musicians, enjoy themselves more than anyone listening fits. His life is what you do you congregate? Warm down from celebrity squats. So I'd like to apologise twenty a certain ratio funds to listeners out there. The views of twenty five people do not necessarily reflect the views of this podcast. But what other listeners David any tweets for twenty two people? So I'm going to start off with two nice positive ones. From Edwin j Davis. I've always loved his rightous irreverent. Take on the music by pick. The fourth will breaking having people just beat Wilson cooking's accounts of events it all of it catches the feeling of the scene in its tensions without being Slava show wrote and the hipster Lama says might directing future union was second assistant director says working on the film was a nightmare. But I will always love it. Really funny, really clever and brilliantly acted terrific. Same. I've got a comment from muddy Tam he or she says I thought this was a massive disappointment. It comes across the some kind of Manchester themed mass fancy dress party for generation of brick com. H actors Ralph little is Peter hook Johnson is Bernard Sumner. Paddy Considine is rob Gretchen and many of the other usual suspects are in there too. Of course, Bryden peg Gorman circus each giving Winterbottom approved winked to the camera as they go about their role play Cuban might be very watchable. But he's always good rather than Tony Curtis. Wilson. Doing so. Well. That's funny because I think. Everything mardi tem says is why I like the Phil funny. So I've seen this film may times growing position in Manchester. The Hassi Enda just before my time. So this came out, and he doesn't two thousand three five six years after the Hasyim finally closed and now has been reopened as flouts. So I grew up in the more away SIS, Manchester, period. So this was all G. I'd nostalgia this period for me. But David Seaman. You're seeing this film for the first time they would. So you say that this massive movie is what what you enjoyed it. Yeah. Watching this film. Now, I had a kind of retroactive so of of melancholia 'cause I was I I skip this movie. I was like when this came out. I was like goes the everything that came out. I was at university, and I just had like quite bit free time and. For some reason. I just chose to not see this film. I loved Alan Partridge. And I think this was when Michael Winterbotham was you know, he was doing his best work early notes period. Some of his most of his stuff he did of Tristram shandy a couple of years later, and he'd just done one the land, which is one of my all time favorite movies of just spent like hours trying to think why why did I not choose to see this? And but it was lovely to catch up with looping back to are saying about Steve Coogan. I mean, I think whereas I think Stanton Ali shows the worst of Steve Coogan and his kind of attempt to be kind of proper act all this is him. Like, you know, I guess asset stripping elements of his kind of comic persona which work to abilities other characters out of them. And you know, the, yeah, I think is kind of Steve Coogan Tony Wilson hybrid. And and I think it's all the film is all the better for it. 'cause I mean it base. Allows cooking to relax more in the in the role. I mean, STAN Noli is not relaxed. He's kind of like thinking about what he's doing see that. Whereas Harry's just like doesn't have to work too hard to get into character. So he can actually remember to be funny and to give these very his of wing nuts. The camera and his little kind of pretentious asides about how you know, his his days at Cambridge. Would just work wonders, I think it really helps the film itself doesn't attempt to be affects simile of this period of these people. It's because it south by having postmodern winks to the camera fourth wall, breaking Tony Wilson himself has a cameo in this movie saying that the performance of Tony Wilson on camera when he's hosting the wheel fought unions over the top and needs to be cut out. Yeah. And this so much of this of his very postmodern, isn't it before it was popular. Very funny line in in the movie when he's flirting with the Miss Universe. And he's like I'm flirting with her. She's aware of it. It's price modern fine. Again, just to be more more grouchy as even possible are generally very down on the genera that we all know love as the music bio pic because it has become this wrote picking out like people in studio someone saying something goes, oh, hey, why don't we write a song about that? And this is interesting creative spin on this tired music by pick formula is not focusing on one band focusing on scene and a character, whose, you know, almost as a prison to to look at this the bands on the music, and so you have a perspective on it is not just very cold subjective. They have seven or eight perspective on this is such a film with so many aspects to it Simone. What's he likes watching this film? Did you study in Manchester? You have a relationship with the area. I did study in Winchester, and I had a kind of vague knowledge of or of this stuff. And I love of the bands that feature in the film. So it was kind of nice to have that history. Told to you in a way, that's fun and engaging and playful and is terrible. But I don't think it necessarily works as a straight satire because it's more loving. It's more affectionate. I don't think is being especially kind of critical. It's winking. You know, it's it's elbowing in the ribs. And I I like that kind of that attitude. Also, there are so many great actors. I'm kind of what David on this and sorry, mardi, Tom. But you know, all these actors kind of playing those rose is fun. Taking cigarettes off of incurs is having politic writhing bodies. Genius. And this is very funny. I was genuinely cackling throughout say it made me kind of think about the state of British film at the moment and thinking about could this film get made now, and how would it land? I'm not sure something that this kind of risky and funny and weird would kind of is interesting comment by hipster Larmer belly university, directing Tutu to saying it was a it was a nightmare to work on his like, I can imagine. It was probably like, I believe. All these venues crowd scenes all seems like it was shot on the Lam almost but like you get energy from it. You get like a kind of there's a snap to and works. I wanted something fascinates about his film, Robby Muller, the semi talk of who died last year. Did the talk around this film motive is final credits. People focused so much on his work on repo man, or within vendors Jim Jarmusch and the eighties, and this is him working with digital video in its early Nelson phase, and it looks so garish now in a way, and as you say gives it so much energy. Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely has a kind of like video diary kind of vibe to the way it's short, and which fits with the lessons of the story in the kind of the father, everything is being done on a wing and prayer. I'm so glad to have you both got something from this film because I'm so deep in the rabbit hole factory echoed in Manchester music. This film came out just the right time when I was. Fifteen sixteen just getting into these patterns in in a hardcore way the so much of the DNA of this music still presence in the monkey union spirits and creative scene. But it was the resented stone for a whole scene of music for me, even though now I look back, and I think that it's it's to me on a certain ratio. That's the within short jazz band. You had in clip Vinnie Riley, who's the Jerusalem here in a way is probably one of the most well respected. The factory artists just gets cold provocatively poor by a rep brightens character and just dismissed he's he's just sad guy with tired. He has his cameo that they like she's been out the original. I'm shortly on the DVD's an amazing line considering in two to three so raise the, you know now. DVD's the British way of showing love is when we're mean two things this is geology to the film. It's everything I love and hate about Manchester and the music and hates Steve Coogan is in this movie. It's every time I revisited it seems to be slight different for me to either. Have you see film Kucan and Winterbotham tried to do another version of this film with Paul Raymond is called the look of love? God, I think I have seen is basically the kind of he's kind of pornographer and and real estate merchant. I think the king of silo school, but there was potential to to be another really interesting lively film. But I think someone somewhere got the kind of prestige teatime clause around it, and it just it just got sapped of life and had this kind of very more like Moreland story in in twenty four hours. Pipe of the way that the incurs is suicide is dealt with comically is just is. It's amazing. It's obviously, very sad. But like the fact that they're kind of joking about it. And it's brutal actually very fun. I think what helps twins for people in contrast to the look of love which I think wasn't authorized by SoHo estates and the Raymond family. They weren't on board. Everybody's on board parts people with that sense of humor with sending themselves up. So everyone is pulling in the right direction for film. This be made. And it's very wrath. That's a happen. The things that's missing from this film, as you say within Kurtz, suicide, I explored in great in black and white debt thing control later the film, where it's Sam Riley is in Curtis instead of Sean Harris whose very scary Curtis in. This definitely is a a CPA village. Exactly, so great. And as such as the slightly more minor role in within the phone five. He's really funny. But does this make you convinced we were talking about stem Ali? That's a film that forming on stage, and you see crowds of laughing audience members trying to convince you the comic genius. Were you convinced by the genius aspects of this foam is very hard to music bio-pics. Like with someone like the happy Mondays, this is the thing. Like, I think standing all kind of is almost like shaking you by the lapels telling you these guys were geniuses twenty four hour party doesn't do that as much actually does in the comic sense in the, you know, Tony Wilson's constantly comparing Sean ROY two years. One of our greatest poets and Manchester in the early nineteenth is the is the same as Florence Jerry Miller. Or something and doesn't spend time trying to like give you that kind of. Oh, it's the idea of the only way people are gonna care about these characters and care about these bans and care about these autism. If they think they're amazing. And you know, when happy Mondays running out of meetings to go to like Kentucky Fried Chicken is like that's funnier in clever and more autism. That's almost like a kind of dodgers statement. And you've bought. Wilson thinking hair local scouts have you one days. Seaman? You said you liked these bans this music? This enrich feeling few knowing the crazy story behind the band's it kind of made me imagine a kind of another version of this foam about the severe New York. Noughties indie scene last year. I read a book called meet me in the bathroom, which is all about a kind of similar scene, but sort of twenty years later, whatever, and yeah, I wondered if maybe if the format could work again, I think no probably I think what's special and unfunny and specific about this film is kind of self deprecating very British Hema. An I think sort of almost like these things up and the successes of these bands up his series of happy accidents. And you know, things that sort of worked out that might not have not to deal with them with the genius and the talent but more with the inadequacy of of the people involved. Moved. And I just think that's funnier. Really tardy Wilson is just you know, he's just a strange strange character. It's that's one of the strongest threats of the film. I think it does become quite muddle is a film goes on in a good way because of these threats that come in. But Tony Wilson this character study of guy who would be hosting wheel of fortune or during the local news reports by day, and then would have groti club toned by you know, the pizza character by nights where he'd be putting on all these bans or he'd be hosting the music show that would champion season the benches and Sex Pistols Iggy pop two time when they couldn't get on Mamane stream channels the ceiling really fascinating about Tony Wilson there. You don't have kind just like that the some divine northern accented swearing in this film. I think which we can't replicate on microphone the producers waving at me through the screen there. But it's worth revisiting. Shoutout. One cameo revisit revisiting this film raised accounts me, which was spider from Coronation Street playing how Devoto having sex which show Henderson toilets talking about cast members who've had their rising fall. What's happened to him? Larry. Cory. 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#561 Why George Foreman Believes in Small Business Everybody Fights

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#561 Why George Foreman Believes in Small Business Everybody Fights

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Sita all you need to run your business in one software try IT free at. Www W. W. dot c. dot com that's V. C. I. T. E. A. Dot Com. Well first up. What's it like to be the son of a ledge but in your FA- and follow in your father's business footsteps? George Foreman third founded everybody. Fights has the Grit of traditional boxing gym delivered in a style of a luxury fitness studio. George welcome to the show. Hey what's up. You don't so I read on Wikipedia and of course we know everything on Wikipedia is true that your nickname is monk. That's it that they were all. We all have nicknames because there's too many numbers are already lives it helps out my mum because my dad's name was monkey and he was His brothers and sisters tease him. You know growing up and he was always taller than then and just look different and you found out later on in his life when he was twenty seven. Twenty eight that That he had a different father and they knew it and he didn't he didn't no no. They knew it growing up and They were teasing teasing teasing with these names finally monkey just stuck and he obviously didn't like it at the beginning but it became starts his. This is nicknamed that when he won the Olympics in nineteen sixty eight and the sports writers and Houston were writing about him and he said please when you are when you mention my name please put put George Monkey. Nobody will know. I'm the man you know it's funny and so and so you actually really started in boxing and you had a fifteen record and then you quit. Why was that to go into business? you know what I think It's so funny like I I. It wasn't even like I just stopped it was I say you know what I'm GonNa take a break and I gotta get through construction and some memberships so I'm gonNA open this amazing Jim. That will be Jim from my training camp. And I literally outfitted it perfectly for training camps and then people are really using. It's ought to start teaching classes to get comfortable using facility and it wasn't an awesome. It's just too big massive space opened and I'd run classes in it and People would only come when those classes so I kept running glasses that I finally just got too busy and to be able to like you know weren't forty fifty hours a week teaching gene fitness and the gym And trained as a fighter. It was just a little too much to be honest. Do to do both grade And I didn't want to be out of shape as a fighter I might walk. It's like ten miles just circling the gym all day teaching classes and then by the time they found the train. I got that left So just you know what. Let me just focus on doing one thing. At a time. I just took off now. We have seven locations and by dementia will have over thirty and so you got experience in business by working with your father. I I imagine his business empire right. That's correct My Dad when I was just I was just shy of twenty one. My father Invited me eighty as business manager and He He I think yeah. I think that's my twenty first birthday. He gave me my first contract Extension to to do and then after that within about six months I was managing everything. We'll have got a chance to learn a lot in consumer products More so than boxing for about seven eight years and then when I became a boxer he became my manager. Of course. We can't forget the George Foreman grills right now. No no those are those those iconic. Thanks so what did you like about business that really said you know. I Really WanNa do this as my career. My Life's work. You know what I liked about businesses that you could provide died value to someone to make money That was always cool to me. Because I'm a sucker for I don't know I get lit up when I'm like feel like helping someone do something I like. It just really likes me up and You know I could you know. I studied nonprofit management when I was in college and so there's many ways to help you all but the cool thing about businesses that if you were really good on it good at it you can help people handy rich right right. I that always fascinated me because you could you know. There are some businesses where the better you are providing that value. The better. You are at helping. Somebody accomplish something. The more wealth you become gum. And it wasn't that it was going to be wealthy but just that dynamic was fascinating you know. I can't quite put my finger on it so I think like that that that's what to me about business. Oh cool and then obviously like have always been pretty active on the you know true philanthropic charity side but I think the the not taking advantage of people and driving in your life and creating jobs for people by by by supporting others I I just did could be nothing cooler cooler to me to be on. So so why do another type of Jim. You know there's so many ways for people to work out. What makes everybody fight light? Unique a unique place for people to get healthy. What makes everybody fights unique is that we're we're totally like focus? Focus on the community It's Kinda all we care about and fitnesses do something we do. You know But we're not really you. You know like you know People WanNa like you know cycling's big right now runnings begging a circa trainings. Big Boston is big. But you know people go to Yoga Kogas. Big People people are going to want to do different things you know and it's like I'll wake up five years from now we'll make more money you know keeping the lights on a ban our bills you know teaching thing palm And that's our way to keep the community engage. I'll teach you know at the end of the day like we buy our equipment from the same places. The trainers at work at most fitness facilities. All have the same certifications. We have one but it just it just an additional one We get our tendencies in the same place tides from the same place on member management written POS system. same place cows. Same place like we get all the stuff from the same place and Places but I think what makes it different and there's Youtube and the Internet Internet right so like there's only so many ways you can do a squat right so in my opinion not that different But the smile you get when you walk in the door the engaged when you get from the the people teaching the classes because we all treat each other great between classes so they that trickles down that is something that You know that special we can actually be the best in the the most engaging night support staff And that's not something that is commoditised so so I think that's what makes Everybody fights special. It's our community and it's a day to day struggle to maintain that community. Feel when you walk in you really nailed nailed it because I think why people show up in person to places right now to work on their health is really because of the community and I think that Peleton is trying to simulate this you know online but let's hope it never replaces actually being with other people face to face. No I you know I think at the end of the day I I think sometimes you know I hear a lot of people say George. I'm GonNa come to the gym when I'm in shape and I'm like no no no you don't you know but I know my heart like unless they feel like differ. There is a big they. They're confident they can. They can get their class without looking. Silly would stay. Won't look silly. That's how they bill unless that happens there's a lot of people who will just not leave home and give it a shot right and there's no matter how much say people were going to smile. We'll get achieved. It's fun the music's Great. You can move at your own pace. We'll scale the workout. No matter how how many ways I say that if they don't feel that physical competence they're not come and that physical confidence comes from physicality moving your body at their studies that show that a person who's been on the couch for six months for whatever reason when they look visually nc a building. You know the building might be half a mile away. It looks like it's a mile away. The person who's in shape who's been running or walking every day looks at that same building and it looks like it's a quarter of a mile away that's been proven by science so my point in that is if there's a solution that gets people in their home meet them where they're at and anybody can hop on the bike and move their feet that builds physical physical confidence and they'll always be an affinity to the thing that got you off the couch in your home. It motivated you but that type of physical confidence is kind of a gateway to forgiving someone and say you know what now. I'm going to go on to try something new and do it amongst the community. Were thereby motivates me so. I'm very much in behind in in favor of anything like Pelivan always happy Hogan it's been around for thirty years and listen. I'm a big Peleton user. Because I'm a road cyclists but I like getting out with the guys on my team but but I've also been doing karate for twenty years and the interesting part is when I do the obvious to the group classes and karate. I no longer worry about what I look like because everybody else is worrying about they look like a nose looking at you. Yep that's exactly the way it goes back as quickly realized that the better so where did the name. Everybody everybody fights come from. Because I don't know if you ever saw this movie called starship troopers there's a phrase in the thing says everybody fights nobody quits. But where did you get that name from. Because it's a great name. Yes actually my business partner In a longtime friend agent rich we were At least the way I remember you know. I don't think it was pretty short. It was We were sitting around watching TV at his apartment. You know and just France coming up with ideas but I had already decided. I want to open a boxing gym and it was with his encouragement. You now and so And we're like figured about different names and they were like should we call it. A fight club was a call. That's Cliche but then it's time it's cool cool and you know we're like okay and I think I was like I think I'd just literally just said you know the fight club. And then he said where everybody fights uh-huh and Let's see if we can do around so obviously we can get fight club dot com every like everybody had that but We were able to buy everybody. FIGHTS DOT com for like eight dollars or something like that and we just held onto it and then You know short. We tried to open the gym. Uh Spike Club. Everybody fights and nobody know landlord in Boston that own class. A office space said that they would rent to us for Jim if we had the word fight in our name and so we had to come off that it's called the club. It started off as the club by George Foreman the third and then after a couple years once had the least side we had a little a bit of a reputation. We had one best luggage Boston. we said let's change at night so we can't everybody fights especially I think it's so interesting because you know as I said I'm undoing cry for a long time and what is taught me twenty years is really prepare myself. How not to fight? It's a strange kind of thing because you do a lot of different things that you're jim because I was watching the video the other day there are a lot of activities right. Yeah there's a lot of activities and I think you know we the reason we do all those activities are the paid if I Because there's there's all types of fights you know some sometimes if I did you go home and you know your wife make sure remark and because you're so wound so you you you you because we're you're coming from felt that it was more aggressive marketing was and you respond to that man around up you know now and to go to the jam and just let off some steam release intention. It'd be running squatting. Could be breathing meditating. It could be drawing to the bag. There's many different ways is but releasing that tension before you get home. Does two things number one. You can see clearer when when when people are speaking to you and engaging with you number two even if he's still misjudged him or you judge them right and they are being aggressive you can. You don't have any fight laughing. You know but that that that is winning the fight though knowing like you know under no circumstances in conflict is aggression the answer and I think Anything we can do to prepare people to win that fight con qualified. This prepares you for the fight. You might be at work in like you know you're tired you know. It's three three or four months into the quarters. It is almost over a lot of pressure in someone sends an email and see sees. You know your boss and you're like why did you see. See My boss and part of me wants to get up and walk over and tapped him on the shoulder. They don't you ever do that again. You know But so and so forth like all these little fights we go on throughout the day Finding ourselves like discipline all all these things can be You can become stronger in the gym. Like physical fitness Has a direct correlation with your discipline. You know your ability to say no to things that are good for you so I think that's what we're about were preparing you fight that and then in terms of physical physical sense People who with more more confidence that look like they're going to put up a fight statistically get attacked less just because of the way they carry themselves. Statistically so I think That in that respect prepare you not to fight and Not to be aggressive. Be Confident that you can't defend yourself. If it comes down to that I mean we teach the kids in karate. There's four states three more stages for you have to fight you. Think about where you are. You use your voice to try to combat and then if you can run away run away way if you can't you fight so I think there's a lot of preparation that really goes into it so so tell us all the cities where everybody fights is now and where they might be opening soon. Yeah so currently. We have Locations in Boston tune. Boston WanNa New York one in Philadelphia. We have one in Atlanta. We have one in Chicago. We have one in Lexington Kentucky By the end of next year we'll have three more locations in the Greater Boston. Region a second in Philadelphia We'll have two more in the Chicago region and then we'll have can in Utah Arizona etc.. George congratulations on your success. Where can people get in touch with? Everybody fights everybody fights dot com. Everybody fights everything Youtube instagram twitter facebook. Just everybody finds. You'll find as George thanks to be on the show. This is an eight twenty w cpt in Chicago. We'll be right back. Oh a lot of small business. Owners are confused about where to advertise online and had to actually get results. You've gotta be diligent because you can lose lot of money fast. If you don't choose the right platform and the right audience. 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Tiba Simplifying Your Business Communications locations stick around to get your small business unstuck more small business radio with Berry Moles now on W. CPT AH twenty. Chicago's Progressive Talk. Well in the last decade technologies enabled remote workers all locations to function as effectively probably as in how staff in fact Forrester in that by twenty twenty seven have all roles inside. Small businesses will be freelance. One of the first steps employing remote owed staff is usually hiring a virtual assistant for tasks here to talk about. I do this is Daniel Ramsey. Who's the founder and CEO of my out desk the nations largest concierge provider of real estate virtual assistant services with an all star list of clients including thirty six of the top producing teams? Along with top corporate franchises. Daniel welcome to the show various. Thanks for having me. So how do you know it's the right time to hire a a virtual assistant you know It's a great. It's a great question. I'm going to answer from my own experience. I was actually on my honeymoon moon as a small business owner and I was doing work. My my wife and I were not popular. Yeah not popular at all especially with wise right Unless you on your honeymoon yes. We're in brought them. All or in a Francis Ford Coppola resort were climbing through the jungle monkeys everywhere during the day. I'm during the honeymoon stuff and literally have a photo of me working at one o'clock in the morning in the bar because I had to get some work work done and This is the reality so your original question is if you're feeling stress you need more help. There's just not enough time in the day if you're missing your family or are you not back into the gym. If you're just so busy that you know you need help you absolutely have to call my office. So what is the best task surreally for Virtual Assistant to focus on at least in the beginning as they get to know you a great question and what we do is we do about a forty five minutes business consultation with all of our potential clients to help them structure the right way to outsource a portion of their day But Bury my my. My simple answer is getting into a system or process. Then we can help you with it. So that's the big challenges you you need to document what you're doing you neither document how you want your virtual assistant actually help you grow your business or save you time or reduce your cost and we basically in our forty five minute consultation ostentation. We go through exactly what you need to do. Step by step to fully document the stuff that really doesn't drive revenue or or you'd you'd like to give away so I mean the thing that we do is we help entrepreneurs really grow and scale their businesses and It's not an easy answer what you should Outsource to virtual but the easiest thing I can tell people easiest guide I can give them in. It's always whatever you can put no system or process outsource man love that you take people through a forty five minute introduction because it really does take some thinking to figure out. How can I I utilize this resource the best? Because you've got to figure out how you can be effective to work with one. It's not just doing the work. It's also how you're going to you delegate to them correct yeah you're you're spot on. You know most entrepreneurs lessons say. Does this really work and our response is always like if we put into a system and a process and you spend the time to actually train the person show them how to do what it is you need them to do You know most of the time and a very successful partnership between my desk and a business owner It's always you know in my world in a leadership person. Whenever there's a failure in a business I always ask myself? Do we have a system and process. Do we have training on that system and process and then I go. Do I have the right person in the seats. The that's the process that I would go through to decide. You know if I've got the right person it's always about the system and process and training and it's never usually about the talent. I love that you talk about trading the person 'cause I find too many small business owners when they hire an assistant or virtual system. Whatever they end up doing is they take a task and they just just flip it to them right and they expect him to be able to figure out how to do it without any kind of training or any kinds of rejection right and that's the biggest mistake As much manure we have a skill set like were Ninjas in the world we can we can do a lot like thirty different things and have a bunch of place spending and no. What's the most important and we have the expertise of our particular industry? We have expertise of our particular business right and when you hire somebody new you have is to somehow give them all of that expertise you have to. You know the military very you'll like this the military says you can't give what you don't already have so it you you know a two star general when they get promoted. It's not from an outside. You know position they rose up through the ranks meaning. They did the job that they're now supervising and then they lead the managers that they're now supervising then. They became the leaders of the organization and they go up through a process where there's actually no doubt they know what the listed guy who's brand new in the military goes all the way up to reporting to the president and the generals so military says you can't give what you don't already have and they have a very strict process for training somebody and why wouldn't you model the the most fierce fighting machine in the world and the best leadership you know Organization in the world for your own small business so for your company my out desk. How does this work are using virtual systems that are domestic are the international? Tell us how you take people through it. Yeah so our folks are all in the Philippines And basically what happened when when I was an entrepreneur and small business starting out I was growing. I mean we had a year where we grew at two hundred and seventy one percent percent and it was just nuts and things were breaking and there was falling apart and I started stretching myself too like fourteen or fifteen hours so we slowly began to put things inconsistencies in processes and we slowly began to delegate which that derogation allowed me to elevate my game meaning I was doing the most most important work. which was you know meeting new clients and networking and really driving revenue for the organization? And I no longer did silly things like booking calendar invites sites and you know setting up an event and doing my social media and all that stuff that just has to get done. It's important but it doesn't have to be done by me so so in our consultation. What we do is we just really go through like what are you doing all the time? What's on your plate? What would you like to get off your plate? And we really Kinda the how people in three major areas It's a sale so we have. FDR's south development reps where they're prospecting for new clients. We have marketing so so marketing coordinators and design corners. So they can help you with your social media posting all of your kind of light marketing work and marking coordination like setting Komo sending it out making sure all of your websites updated. We help them Matt Space and then the last one is really like a project coordinator or administrative assistant bent where I like to call them director of traffic so they they can get into your email and do all your emails. They can schedule your calendar events. They can run projects for you. You know if you're putting on events or you need to do something in your business That is project based those kinds of three core areas that we serve Businesses right now in the US so the small business owner in that are listening. Saying this sounds great. But I'm worried about security. You know the someone's getting to my emails. And how does this all work. Okay well well you know. That's a great question and I was the way in fact very when I first decided outsource back in two thousand seven and I can promise you. There aren't too many entrepreneurs out there that started. Target outsourcing in the mid two thousands. When I first did it I was also concerned with security? So we set this business up to do an F. B. I.. Background check on all of our people. We actually we actually have them go to a doctor and get a physical so we know they're in great shape physically and they're not going to have the illness. It's our medical issues As they come and work for our clients the other thing that we do is we have a technology platform so Our clients can really communicate with R. V. as it looks like understand what they're tasked look like and we have a we. Have you know tracking the ability to track what websites they're at where they're located in the Philippines Philippines whether they're at their workstation or not and we just really have a very tight process for making sure that our people are great. The the the folks that we hire have the best Internet have a great computer and a great phone system so they can make calls on your behalf or or talk with you and speak with you so the reality is we've handled that objection From the very beginning. 'cause I'm like everybody in your audience. I'm a business owner. I I needed to have quality folks and make sure that they were gonna be honest and work. Hard so Yeah that's how we do it. You know one of the one of the concerns years ago was when Large companies like like Dell outsource all their customer service. You know too place overseas and there was a problem with you know English. We're really talking about something different here right. We're talking about individuals they're actually doing doing task and not necessarily customer facing on the phone right. This is not customer service is actually doing a variety of different kinds of process task. Correct well you know what's interesting is we. I'm originally you mentioned it in our when you did the opening. I'm a real estate broker and originally really we only serve that vertical reached out like I just had a a physician reach out to me from Florida. We have an insurance broker. We have a marketing firm so so we branched out some multiple different industries. And you know real estate is a really fierce industry. Meaning the number one thing that we had to do for that. That industry vertical article is really prospecting and having phone calls and converting clients and nurturing over them over the long term. So what we've done in our hiring process us is really gotten specific. Their English speaking skills are literally superb. In fact I just had another vendor A No real estate vendor Get a call from one of my people and text me afterwards. He was like. Oh my God. I can't even believe this person doesn't sound like they're not in the US inside. I could not tell Oh. They were a virtual assistant from your company. I would have no idea if I didn't already know vandal. So Yeah When Dell did it back in the day they did it wrong way? We're doing it. Is We look for sales people and we help people get you know people who are great communicators and with the ability to build rapport. Four and really help you drive you this so one the last one I talked to you about and I think this is really great. When you go through your forty five minutes you do something with the business? Owners called the sticky. The challenge which I think is perfect described that yes so they can challenge is really like an old business concept that we kind of tweaked a little bit. I'm an entrepreneur entrepreneur. I'm driving all over the place I got a meeting I mean. I talked to a banker today and talking insurance broker yesterday. So it's really hard to do a time and task analysis which which is typically what you just record your screen and then you record everything that you do in the day and you do it on an excel spreadsheet or in a system. So what we've done is we coined a concept onto called the sticky challenge where you just take a stack of stickies and you follow yourself around all day long and literally you. Just write on the sticky. How much time you you were doing that thing and you were actually up to and if you do those two things You know at the end of the day at the end of the week at the end of the month. You basically typically have a process of everything that you can outsource in your business. 'cause you're gonNA find that some of the work is just not important but has to get done meaning meaning. It's not urgent and it's not the kind of stuff that you have to do much preneurs but it's the kind of stuff that you want done and all of that we can take off your plate and so you know. We had a great a client in South America. She did this for two weeks and she found that thirty seven percent of her day was just really spent on not really important stuff so because of the sticky each Allen. She completely changed how she organized her days hired to her folks and her business really boomed because of it. Now you're also involved in this great social cause in the Philippines called Ma Movement charity. Tell us about that. Well Yeah and you know what's here. Here's a crazy. We know that we've helped over five thousand businesses muscles grow and scale And we really give a lot of value up front when you do your business consultation because WanNa make sure that we have good long-term fit fit. Most outsourcing companies are like project phase or short term. I like to call them. Dating sites. Were a marriage site. We are looking for who long term placements with great client. And we're going to match them with high-calibre talent part of our mission. After we matched them is to create impact in the world that we existed so for instance we just supported came from cancer research. That's really cutting edge. We have a friend that's in the DC area We sent a bunch of low income kids in Texas to a entrepreneurial school we built an old folks home in the Philippines We did an orphanage image. We built a house in Ecuador. So what I would say is our clients leverage our nonprofit and the charity work that we do to help them win in business and they get involved in our charity and our people give their heart and soul in time to this charity because they know how important is to make impact packed in the world. So we really have a great culture where we're serving our clients and also making an impact in the world. Well that's really the best way to be Daniel. Where can people get in touch with you and get started with my out desk? The best thing to do is just bill on our website. My out just dot com and it's M. Y. O. U. T. D. S. DOT COM. And right there you can go on and request a consultation and also Berry for your audience. If they we wrote a book man we wrote a book putting all our kind of methodology -nology and how to win and how to really succeed with a virtual assistant ended up book. And so all you have to do if you're listening text the letters s VP. So so it's Sam Victor Paul to the number three one nine nine six again. That number is three one nine nine six and you can get a copy of our free book which is scale scale with virtual professionals. And it's really a guide to how to do this right so if you wanted to go slow and kind of learn about I definitely get a copy of our free book so you have to tax s VP. Like Sarah Very pretty three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. SBP EP scale with virtual professionals. 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Dot Com stick around to get your small business unstuck more of small business radio with Berry moles now one W CPT h twenty. Chicago's Progressive Talk. I've seen allow them entrepreneurs pick a name for their company without really a second thought. But what name you pick could really spell the difference between success and failure hair to help us pick the right name is Jerry Miller. WHO's a brand strategist and bestselling author of sticky branding? His book is called called brand new name. Jerry welcome to the show very my pleasure. Thanks for having me so I'm starting a business. I came up with a name for my company. Why should I care? People people learn it. Well if you've come up with a name then that's a great first step. I think the question then would be do you love. The name is a great name because your name in your company name or your product name that whatever you choose to name. Your brand is the most important decisions you'll ever make because you think of it all your marketing assets websites sites logos business cards. They all have a shelf life only a few years. You're what your name will stick around forever so getting it right. Probably the most important business decisions you'll ever make so do. Most people have trouble coming up with a name or they think I got a name. Can I get the URL. Ford is that what. It's dependant on now I think it's where the latter part of it that you were l.. Questioned the issue we have is for the first time in human history. We're actually running out of names. We are actually experiencing missing naming drought and in the United States alone. There are over five hundred and forty-three thousand. New Small businesses started every single month and they all need names names and the very first thing that we do we start a company. Is We go and try to find a domain name so we have consumed all the three character dot com. All the four character dot com won't be long until all the five characters are gone to and the same happening on trademark. So the hard part isn't coming up with the name it's finding an available name and so what are the rules around names like there's been a lot of incidences where the there's a restaurant Israel called mcdavid and camping. The same McDonald. Donald were the rules as far as having a name. It's close to somebody else. Well in Trademark Law there is a set of guidelines That's it so. In the United States trademark process there are Thirty two categories of or classifications of names or products. Tonight and and your name has to fit within that and if somebody has a similar sounding or confusing name the trademark office might reject it and so it's a game you're playing to try and find something that's unique and and memorable and that is representative of Your Business and what you want to create. But it's also recognizing that we have to play by the rules. You can't use a name that somebody else has trademarked or copyrighted. And if you do you put yourself in a legal jeopardy. So let's talk about a couple of things you've got to be representative of your name but there's a lot of famous brands out there where it didn't mean anything right like apple and Google Amazon. What did these things mean when they first started out? Sure so I think so. I talked about this in the book brand new name. There's there's three categories of brand names you can have a descriptive name tells you exactly what it is. You'RE GONNA have a suggestive name gives you an indication of what you're going to get or you can have an abstract obstruct name which is an empty vessel and so apple or Caterpillar. Those are examples of empty vessels. The name doesn't mean anything anything re relevant to the company and they breathe life into it so you have endless options when it comes to naming your business And and my challenge to you would not be to say you should have a descriptive name or an abstract name. My challenge would be to try on lots of different options. Because what you're really trying to find is is a name that fits your strategy. What's it take to stand out in your marketplace? What's GONNA fit your business five years from now if you can get really clear upfront of what your name named needs to do? Then you can be more creative in how you approach the The types of names are gonNA use so Jeremy. Is there one name. It's better than others. Due empty vessel names are abstract names work better than suggestions or descriptions or it doesn't really matter does it really matter I think it's It's all about strategy so if you had say a senior senior living center and you called Purple Taco but that's probably not a great name. Maybe it's a food truck. Maybe that's a better representative something else. So I think names are strategic but I can show you an all the categories brilliant examples. One of my favorites is a firm called big ass. Ask Fans I know that firm they even on the show. I know that firm. They are amazing and I love how they started. They were known As HVAC Fan Company for high volume. Low Speed Ben Company until their clients kept calling him up and saying. Hey you guys sell those big ass fans and they hook. That isn't that amazing. I really like the email. Marketing Company called mail chimp. It's great so I always thought that was also soon poured in getting a name was it had to be easy to spell hundred percent believe that I would also I I would level up on this I it has has to be easy to say one of the things. That is very different today than say five years ago is the rise of voice assistance we now see exponential so growth in Syria and Alexa an Amazon or or apple or Google assistance and these voices to censor how people are talking and searching the web. So if you have a name that's hard to say hard to spell but hard to say then you hamper your ability for people to interact with online devices aces. So simplicity really is a key attribute today and what it takes to stand out and if you can't you got to believe that in the future germy army all interaction is going to be verbal and none of it's going to be typing now and that's that goes back to the domain topic. We spend all this time and effort for using pass constructs of what was credible so dot com used to be an indication of credibility. But today where do you actually see domain names. James is probably what business cards and print marketing. When we're on a browser when you're in an APP you actually don't see dot com or dot net dot org dot whatever but we still have these old constructs that are dictating? What is success? But if you go back to what you decide is we're more likely to be speaking can't communicating things verbally so having clarity having whimsey he's GonNa be things that are much more relevant for our our our customers and you can find out how people are looking for you by looking at Google analytics. Did they actually put your url in or did they do it through some kind of Google search percents And and that's going to give you real clear indications real fast so talk about in your book you know Brand Name You have a unique approach to naming naming companies. What's the best exercise to go through? If you're going to come up with one of these optimal names I think the key to anything in business as process that we really do need structured methods in terms of. How do we get to effective outcomes no matter what area of the business we're talking about whether it's accounting counting or operations or marketing and naming is one of those things that for so many years has been treated like a black box we shown What are these beautiful names like Big Ass fans or Bluetooth and then we're just said okay now you do that and that frustrates me? I've been an entrepreneur for fifteen years now and done this multiple multiple times. And it's it's always joke to say you just do that. Well the question is how and so. That's what I said to accomplish in brand new name name. And what sets the process apart is it's not about hiring an advertising agency or a consultant and it's doing it internally. I believe in every every organization there is immense creative potential. You are creative. Your team is creative. And if he can harness that then you'll get to really brilliant ideas and so what the book shows you is a three stage naming sprint. That goes that takes three to four weeks to complete so you build a strategy you generate lots of ideas and then you test and select the right one for your your your business. So it's not about one exercise. It's a process to get to a brilliant outcome and so take us through the first part of that the process or the outline so the the the first stages strategy and I think strategy is is really the crux to getting a great name. Because you have have to define what does it take to stand out in our industry of everybody's already using acronyms you're probably GonNa want to set a guideline not to use an acronym if What is the the standards are or what? How does your name need to perform if it's going to go onto an APP so you're gonNA put it up onto tunes or Google? Play is probably going to be short right especially if you want it to be displayed on a phone screen. So you'll set your criteria for success and that's GonNa be key because when you go back to testing your options you want to go back to the strategy to say which names are best representative of what we're trying to create. And can you do this by yourself. Do as you said. Do you need to hire an advertising agency. Do you think your employees are the best people to go through this process with you. A hundred percent. So you if you're a solo for neuro or a small small business owner and you only have yourself you can absolutely do the whole thing on your own. I think you'll get your best outcomes is if you can engage your team give you an example I worked with a a A A technology start up here in Canada where I'm based A month or so ago and the challenge was they couldn't use their name in the United Estates because of a trademark restriction and so they had forty five employees and over the course of four days or five days that team generated six hundred thirty nine name. All we did is we asked every day you get an exercise and a set of Of Inspiration which is included in the book and every day we ask a quota. Can you generate five good names per person per day and forty five people generate six hundred thirty nine names out of that. There were forty viable candidates. We tested ten. We market tested five and they chose to one for the company name and one for a product name so remarkable but that would be most IDA agencies and that was only using the staff there was no external people generating ideas so when you so you tested them what form that take Germany. So the third stage of the book is is testing and and what we do is the the first thing is we want to test against the strategy. And I call it a name score. And it's an analytical assessment to look at the the clarity of this simplicity the positioning positioning the fit to the strategy. There's a set of Nine criteria that you want to score against and that creates common language for a team to evaluate their names. The other other thing we do is once. You've you've shortlisted a set of names that you know you can use it or going to pass trademark restrictions you go to test them on on the market and we provide to simple tests that That were really really well. The first one is called the health data contest. And all it is. Is You. Print the name and seventy thirty two point bold Helvetica or aerial font on a single piece of paper and you go to somebody and say hey. Here's three names. Can you tell me which one resonates the most with you and all that is giving you is preference so if you can get twenty people to tell you what they like the best you're going to get an indication of how people are responding to your name and then five days later you follow up those same people and say hey very what. was that name that you picked last time. What do you remember that your favorite? Now you've got to recall and so that gives you the two more scores which is residents and recall to see how your names are tracking in the public domain. Now the end of this whole thing though is you have to make a decision so you can get all the data in the world you have as a business owner have to look at. What is this thing that I'm naming and what is going to be most representative of what we want to be five years from now and what's going to fit the strategy and it doesn't matter what your spouse or your team team or customer says you gotTa make that final decision you take all the data and then you make a choice? What did they choose whatever's the right right? No what what did they would that company. Can you disclose that yet. I can't unfortunately going through the truth. So the last question headed. It's only about six weeks old on that. Hi last question I had for. You is a lot of companies go through a name change what guidelines you have for them think of your so you take the same process process for naming but the key to it is remember that your existing name is a vessel it contains all the history all the experiences all the knowledge that is representative of your businesses in that current current name so the key is in a name. Change is having an effective marketing communication strategy to transfer all the contents from one vessel to another and the biggest mistake companies. Doing this is. They underestimate how long that can take so at a minimum. have an eighteen month marketing strategy. If you're changing your company name because you need to condition people that this is the new name and this is why we've changed it and move all those all that content Over from one vessel to another and I love use the word vessel because it really is about moving all of that goodwill all that recognition over the name of the book is called brand brand new name. Jeremy where can people get a copy of the book and get in touch with you to learn about your process. Well it's available wherever books are sold. Amazon's probably the easiest and you can and find me online at sticky branding. The website is sticky. BRANDING DOT COM. Jeremy thanks for joining us and I want to thank everyone for joining radio show this week. 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Identity at the Center #84 - Solorigate Recap with Robb Reck

Identity at the Center

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Identity at the Center #84 - Solorigate Recap with Robb Reck

"You're listening to the identity of the podcast. This is the show that talks about identity and access management and making sure who has access to what let's get started. Welcome to the identity of the center. Podcast geoff that's jim jim. Hey jeff how's it goin' not so bad yourself good good. They usually start with something about the weather or something trivial but And it today. I had something lined up. You know talk about a rocky mountain high. Is we got this big denver triangle going with our podcast today and then we sauce news. Drop in this kind of mind blowing the little over the place but we'll get through it. Yeah yeah there's there's some news so we're gonna tear down. I think the fourth wall yet again as we normally do were recording a couple of weeks in advance but today is march third. So we're gonna talk about some announcement that literally just broke as we're about to refer but here before we get to that. Let's let's get through a couple of other items that we want to get to. So we've got a diverse right. They're coming up and The registration is open. It's going to be june twenty first twenty third at least for the in person event which is in denver on. They haven't extended kind of online event as well. But i think it goes a week past that you can go to identify verse dot com to check out. I'm still on the fence about being anywhere in person in june but with the news that there is apparently enough vaccine supply by may who knows right. Maybe maybe they'll make sense so What are your thoughts on that jim. I think i'm ordering all the vaccines true. Americans go to walmart and fill my car. Vaccines The other thing that we want to talk about is identity management day it is april thirteenth. It is the second tuesday of april and is a new global galactic holiday that. We're going to be helping celebrate and promoting. So we'll talk about a little bit about that more. Waiter wanna make sure that people Don't forget that and take part But other than that. Why don't we go ahead and introduce guests for today. His name is rob wreck. He's the chief information security officer ping identity and he's going to help us through a few different conversations including our breaking news as well as things like so arrogate in cloud security and zero trust. I'm sure other things as they come to the stream of consciousness. Compare the show. Rob glad to be here. And i also complete your triumvirate of denver connections as i am here in denver. They're go. this is the street that were on a love it so jim. Why don't you talk about the breaking news here that article. That is ben briefly scanned as we're about to start here right and so the the headlines simply reads that octa has signed a definitive agreement to acquire off. Jiro so those are two of the of the big hitters in the accidents mansion space. Of course one of the others being identity rob wreck on the on the cassis. We but it's an interesting and unexpected move Within our space right. I mean we've been seeing more and more consolidation but it's not often that you see To the the big fish Involved in an acquisition like so Really think it's interesting you know i've been In you know jet. You and i have been involved in a lot of cia and customer. I am strategy development of recent and You know oz. Zero in october usually in that conversation. So the two of them kind of coming into one is obviously. We don't know all the details yet right. This drinking news haven't even had a chance to really fully read the article but You know my my mind is a million miles an hour rob. What what's your hot tag. So i i think i got to be careful as a executive for a public company. That competes with these. I'll just say that. I'm i was surprised and i'm really interested to see where this goes. I think that they both have interesting. Strengths and understanding how they're going to complement each other. I think is obviously what their leadership teams going to put together soon. And i for one. I'm interested to see what that looks like. Yeah it's it's always interesting when you have competitors that are joining forces and they have similar capabilities really. i mean. obviously everyone's realization has shown strength and things like that but you know what i read briefly. Scan the article. It's six and a half billion in a stock deal. That's a lot of money or a lot of paper money. I should say i hope i read it. Maybe it gets on top of that one and pushes that went to the moon just like they did with game. Stop big wing right. Yes like ten. Bitcoin and he can buy a tesla. I think pretty soon with bitcoin too. So who knows right. Yeah that's pretty cool. Well rob thanks for joining us Usually we start with you. Know how did you get into info second you know specifically the identity space but that was kind of breaking news and kind of like okay. Let's let's talk about that real quick. So let's let's restart here so you know you're you're working with ping right now. How did you get into the infosec. Space specifically the area. Is it something that you chose. Did you choose it yeah. That's a great question. I'm happy to reset the clock. I i was a kind of your typical. It actually right out of college. I i was on a call center. Helping people make their video games work for electric arts and i followed a path of going from that Customer support to desktop support network network engineer. Really call it the two thousand and three timeframe when when sarbanes oxley told all of those public companies that you need to start having controls in place you need to be able to prove that. You're you're doing things like access. A checks into your systems themselves have appropriate controls on them. That was that was when i got the opportunity to to learn what security was and you know i was at a relatively mature company. But they didn't have a security team. They didn't really have anyone doing that type of work at all. And you know i there was. There was a my way was blocked. If i wanted to go after becoming the exchange admin or the active directory guy but the security space was wide open and i i went after it as just my area within within. It and man. I really fell in love with it. You know especially in the early two thousands very immature not a lot of well re well known standards to follow and certainly they weren't being followed very many places when they were there. Just give me a chance to to start being creative within. It and i really enjoyed that From from that one organization which was an oil and gas company. I i then went to a a small company. That did interestingly enough. We did on my mentoring for large enterprises. And i got to build a security program to meet the the security requirements of the biggest organizations in the world. Who's who of the top one hundred. They're the only people who pay for a mentoring sass product by the way or at least they were the only ones who did it back then and they all wanted their their employees data to be protected just as well as they did internally so i got the chance to learn that and and that was really my trial by fire into security from there went over to banking and and it was the sea e so for a for a couple of different financial institutions and two thousand a year. Be two thousand fifteen. I met i met. Andre durand the ceo and founder of paying. And andre andre was telling this crazy story about identity of becoming more personal and on your device and and how how. We're going to be using these devices to authenticate into the future. And and i'll tell you he didn't use the words that i'm going to use right now. But he sold the vision of zero trust in getting away from the network as your primary way of of instilling trust and and really using those devices to do it. And i for years had recognized that my security programs with with primarily network based controls. Were not very effective. You know you're just had way too many ways around those things and and showing that vision of how we can actually fix it. That got me excited. And and that. That's what made me come to paying Just been an amazing run. There and i came in two thousand sixteen. Been there just over five years. And and in that time we were sold to private equity Then we went public and you know we have more than tripled or quadrupled and We've invested a ton in building out of security practice. It's really heavily focused on a product security and cloud security and I've i've been really blessed to be a part of that last five years all right so i know we're gonna talk. I am you mentioned. Ea and i'm a gamer. So you you said you worked In a as like a representative is that. Is that what i heard so i actually worked there for almost three years. So yeah the. The first job i had was that like right out of college. I answered phones and helped you install new sound card drivers. Because you know you couldn't run your game and then you know that's not the most ideal job in ea Soc shortly after that. I got a job. On the on the testing team actually was a tester for a number of games. That you'll know i was a tester on madden ninety nine. Madden two thousand on Oh man to tiger woods golf. And the sims i if know the sims which is now a pretty big online series. I was on the original sims testing team. A bunch of others. I'm not gonna be able to remember thought my head but That was a it was way worse than it sounds it. May i make it sound. Good because i said a bunch of fun games but it was a pretty terrible job and i don't recommend you or your kids ever do that. It sounds to me like that kind of ruin video games to some level for some folks. I had never really played it like i did before i used to be a pretty big gamer and since working there i i hardly at all and certainly not hours a day like i did before was gonna say jeff. I think if you had that job You might never go for promotion but a great effort. Yeah i don't know. I mean i mean i certainly like my games and i. I've i've been kind of a lifelong video gamer in that was certainly the. Hey day right when you're kind of mid to late nineties and early two thousands. I don't play as much as i used to. But i can certainly remember you know many a disagreement let's say over. You don't madden games and nhl games and you know who is the king of the jungle things like that when it came to to who was Who was best at it. So i don't know i mean i think i would like to be positive in some point but maybe not on the testing side. That does not sound fun to me. Yeah i would just say testing a video. Game is not playing that game. Like you gotta get those two things separated in your head because testing is looking for ways to to break it and you don't break it by having a fun time playing it but those those two things don't go together so that say that but i will say the best games in a lot of gamers at the at the company. The best games are games. Like What Ncw football the man. What's it called the hockey game. Remember the new hockey but those games were were the ones that do the best players really enjoyed. So i over time. I've really kinda come around to appreciating. The the purity of those games was a. It was a fun time. We paid a lot of nhl You know me and my crew back then and it was immortalized In the swingers. Movie with vince. Vaughn and the whole scene about roenick. And you know making the guy's head bleed things like that. But i digress right now now. We went on a video game second. There's another thing that that Probably people should be aware of and that is that you are a fellow palm castor. You've got your own podcast. Called colorado equals security. Once you told me about that. I we do have a podcast. I i actually just celebrate our two hundred episode weekly. So you know we just past four years the really. It's a podcast but from my perspective. It's really just part of this larger movement that we're we're trying to amplify the really cool stuff that's happening. In colorado around security were mid sized state with an oversized tech and security industry and over time. I was a volunteer for essay in town. And we we recognize that. There's so many cool things going on in the state but none of us you know. There's no one place to go find out what they all were. So we decided to create that men another another see so slash x. Is this avon tier got together and put this together. Alex would and it's been great. Basically we do like a local roundup of the news of colorado security for the last week which by the way. There's there's more than you might expect. and then we also do an interview with a local person You know it really is just targeted for those colorado folks but Anyone who's interested in that happy to have him come. Listen so rob Typically when we talked to cis oh that person is the top. I am within their company. You're the aso at identity. And i identity company so i'm gonna venture to guess that you're probably not the top top one or two people in terms of i am knowledgeable than the organization. So am i right and kind of what is that. Life real yeah. It's it's definitely was humbling. I'll say and i've i've been insecurity now for almost twenty years. It for significantly longer. And i've always been you know you know the the top person for who cared about identity and and what would have good theories for how we should improve the user experience And i come to paying. And i'm made number three hundred three the three hundredth best identity person in the company. That might be generous. I don't know there's just you know. I don't know if you guys know brian campbell and david weight and Jerry miller these guys you know part of creating the standards across the industry they are pillars within our company who You know who who. I go to and ask for advice on how we can get better at practically doing the identity things that That paint helps companies do. It's it's definitely others the good and bad right. There was a number one. I talked about that. I've got all these amazing resources but then you know every time i want to roll out new security thing. I i get a lot of lot of opinions. Why didn't we do this. There's this new guidance you can do it this way and you know the i. It's not that. I don't appreciate the opinions. It's that i don't have time to respond to three hundred people every time we want to make a change and explain why what we had to do with this way for this reason. It's definitely interesting experience. And one that i wouldn't trade. Yeah absolutely help. Lots of helpers but now i think you're perfectly positioned to talk to us about. Our main topics are today. Which is a quote unquote solar winds. Reach or weather. A lot of people were calling soared. So larry gate. And i got that right And we you know. We've already talked about those. So i know you've got a perspective in kind of you know you're looking at this from different angles. Obviously you're this. The iso at a software development firm that has you know you do a lot of your business offering cloud services But you know the kind of the first obvious angle is the end game. What we've all heard about gate which is in the attack was getting into Victim companies and taking control of their ide- specifically eighty s Too many tokens and basically impersonate people within the target organisation to cloud services. That they're being federated's is so in other words in a boil. This dallas allows the attacker. I could get into your organization. Takeover your eightieth as them and then impersonate anyone within your company to your office. Three sixty five where to your your work day and You know so then have access to your email or whatever else was available through this cloud services so maybe you could take us through the the anatomy of that. It's not gonna think. I hit a fifty thousand foot level. But there's more to it. I i think you did a good job of summarizing. Some the high level stuff and i think of it from going to say four different perspectives relevant to me and i think that they'll be relevant to many of our listeners. Here the first thing i think about is i. When you touched on that you know. I you know any company that creates software. That's going to be used by. Other companies becomes a potential way into those companies. And i worked for an organization that's used by Some very significant enterprises. And and i can imagine a bad guy saying that'd be a good way to get in so what happened to solar winds becoming the back door into their customers is is highly important and worth A very significant amount of investment to ensure that you know my organization and whoever else is listening to your organizations are also you know not not the The back door that mule into those companies. Then the second element to that. That's interesting to me is through this process. There's been some other rumors. And i don't need to get into the specific rumors but of other companies that that may have been maybe even the way into the solar winds and and whether they were not. It's not really. The point is the fact that they could have been and we all need to be looking at things like tools in our st l. c. in any any code pipelines. You have to say well. How do you know that tool that. You're trusting to check that the binary hasn't changed a. How do you know that that tool itself isn't compromised in each component. Along the way in need to have going to the to the thing we're gonna talk about later. You need to have zero trust in those things that does not appropriately earned right start from the assumption zero trust. That is So that that's the second area that i've i've thought a lot about is is getting getting smarter. And how do we make sure we're doing the right things. In our in our code pipelines The third one the is for everyone listening right you. You talked about once. The bad guys are in the environment and to be fair. It doesn't matter if they got in using the solar winds vulnerability if they got in by you know account takeover or it's an insider threat questions once they're in. What do they do. Well you talked a little bit about what they did. And i'll break it down into a few points Do number one they tried to get access to your private signing key so this is just like security one oh one your private signing key is should not just be sitting a raw a file system for your federation server to read it. It should be you know. I in a an hsa or some other cryptic safe environment The you can only get to appropriately and and frankly win it is accessed. There should be some kind of monitoring for how it's accessed and alerting on that. So they got in. They stole the key. Or let's let's say you happen to have done a good job putting it in. Hsm and they. They couldn't get to the key. What could they do instead. Could they do. They have administrative rights on the box. Well there is. There is a in this situation. Folks who got who had the key protected would see the attacker go onto the box and actually alter the running binary of the federation server so now they own that binary they can do whatever they want with it and that of course is a is a risk of as well that needs to be looked at. How do you do that. Will once again traditional security controls right making sure that the right folks only that the wrong folks. she's me can't get access to it. And and you know things like file integrity monitoring on those boxes to look for any changes and detect if anything inappropriate happens and then the last element of that. That's that's really interesting is signals of people standing up new federation servers. And if you're standing up a new federation server man that should that should be aligned in your in your ticketing system and we should have alerts in place to let us know that that's happening. So a series of those are four different. Oh sorry there. That's three the fourth one that i have to think about from my perspective is ensuring that i'm doing the right things on on my own corporate environment right like all these things we just talked about is not just for my customers where i have to help them. And and ensure our products are configured to make them successful. Also need to make sure an internally. We're doing the right things and work closely with my partners to do that. And can say. I'm comfortable that we weren't impacted and all that good stuff but there's always room and we're all we're always looking to get better. I mean the the private signing key parts comes to mind. I think probably for most sources that seems like eighty s was talked about a lot with this attacking obviously s something that a company would be hosting themselves if they had a cloud base Adp solution with this still. Be an issue. While you're all you're doing is you're consolidating the the risk right which is not to say that that's not better age it just depends but you're you're taking it from having every individual enterprise having to to secure against that to having a one place where were the bad guys would go to to try and compromise although signing keys. So yeah i. It doesn't eliminate it but it certainly changes the risk. So i find an interesting about the whole deal l. modification and. I don't know if enough people know about exactly how that works. Is that something that that you could. Maybe detailed but more on So i i don't have the forensic details on exactly what changes they made the but the intel was shared on that was the bad guys are getting in there and changing the running federation server to one that they had changed. Some binary could they could make the federation server issue amid tokens according to their desire versus versus the traditional path. Rob was the you kind of talking about that The abstract implications of the development pipeline. What are some of the best practices that maybe all talk specifically about so wins but some best practices and processes that can help prevent something like this. Because i would imagine that if you have proper checks and balances you're less likely to fall prey to something like this. Yeah i think every step of the way you know. Having good effective security controls would have stopped this and any and east starting off with The solar winds impacted to solar winds organization customers. They if you had solar winds sitting on one box in isolation with you know what in once you know the application running on. That box was was compromised. They couldn't actually get anything. You've just limited the impact of that now. The problem is solar winds is a is a network monitoring tool that's going to have rights within your organization to to see you know every every network segment because it's because it's looking for all your assets across the organization Many it organizations a result will not really put least privilege in place. They'll say hey i. It tool let's use this. Maybe sometimes it's even a domain admin account to run it and and once the solar winds system itself is back doored. It's able to get a lot more rights it needed and it uses those to pivot internally right so having appropriate segmentation so even if solar winds was popped. All they're going to do is be able to see the inventory of your of your network like that's bad enough but it would have stopped them from being able to pivot over to your eighty servers right. So there's there's a esscalation point this first and foremost and then you say okay. Well let's say let's just say that you know we did have too high a control or cbi to hire an account running solar wind. So they're now able to to impersonate a domain admin and get onto our federation server with that. Well there should be some kind of detective controls in place on that federation server to to stop you from or not to stop you but to detect win. Someone's logging in and what they're doing and if you have the appropriate monitoring in place it should raise an alarm that someone's making changes to your system outside of a change control ticket. Good good good practices in change. Control and asset management would prevent the vast majority of this and. I think you know anyone. Who's been doing this for awhile. Knows that those are incredibly hard. It's actually a pretty big ask to have those things done. Well across your enterprise as iran of something that you see a lot of which is that organizations feel like lori while the this utility is as as berg very high powered service account at that you mentioned domain adnan such it just makes me cringe every time i hear that you know. Potentially we're creating a service account and putting them into domain atmos group. So i i would imagine that kind of words of the wise would be you know question back us the least privileged model where where possible and i think it just goes to the posture of if you don't have if you don't have a a standard upfront. That says here's how we are going to provision these new servers when they come in and and security is handing the i team. This is the way we want you to do it. The i team's just going to look for the path of least resistance. You know what the fastest way to make it. Work wa if. I use this domain admin account it just works right. I i never have any problems whereas if i'm using this this you know. Solar winds limited accounts man. I keep getting these errors. Not getting all the data i need. It's a struggle. So you really have to be proactive. In order to to to fight against that path of least resistance being challenging on those of questions around you know. I feel like a lot of time. It comes down to application teams developers. Who say okay. Well here's how we've quoted our application and they didn't go to the effort of splitting out. What permissions they actually need. Just say what is god rights on on whatever machine it is or whatever system is so that thing will work i think challenging that back to software vendors and other folks who we know who are putting things environment makes a lotta sense to make sure that you don't get stuck in this well everyone if everyone's a domain admin high supposed to protect it and especially if they're an application like solar winds where it's doing the things that you wanted to do trying to detect anomalous behavior might be difficult because of what is designed to do just makes it even that much harder. Yeah i think this just goes back to having a level of maturity and your in your it program that that many companies don't and investing in that and you know my my motto for security for years has been security cannot be any better than the it organization that is supporting also goes hand-in-hand with the architecture of that environments but if you just try and slap on a mature security program to an immature it program. You're you're gonna fail miserably. Everyone's gonna hate each other along the way. Yeah and i think Just a pivotal bit too. I think this is something that we commonly in the cloud and different infrastructures platforms as a service. Right whether it's aws azure jcp. Is you know a lot of people end up with more permission that they need there and can do far more damage than they probably realize. You know if if they know what they're doing That's something that we see quite a bit With the folks that we're talking with. I'm just curious if you see inexperienced that same issue with you know some of the things that you're working on the the lift and shift is at the the problem here and just too many permissions right from mack roles are not well defined or scoped. Yeah i actually. I feel like those might actually be the same thing The lifting shift and the too many permissions because it. It is a a lack of understanding of the difference between your traditional data center environment. And how you know for example. Aws works and you know it's so easy just to to say. Hey you know we've we've got we're lennox admins. We know how to use our private keys froth indication. Let's just keep doing that. And and not really understand how you know. Go moving to I am roles within that environment can increase your security and increase your usability At the same time. And frankly make it so that when you when you have turnover you know your risk from a from a stability perspective is a lot better as well. Because you're these folks who have these keys on their their their laptop and maybe they took them to their home laptop along the way as well. You get rid of a lot of that risk a ticket. The cloud that ceases are experiencing new challenges. Not just the cloud but also devops. It's it's a ground shifted. It's changing the idea. Said of having you know servers you have these New new whole new ways of doing infrastructure. Things like that using docker. And what i feel like i'm hearing a lot of she says and from you know i emphasise what. We need to remain agile. We need the ability to move fast. Ceases don't want to be the note apartment right. They don't want to be the the quote unquote progress prevention department. I kinda feel like developers need to be empowered to kind of move at the fast paced that they're being demanded to move by the business and at the same time information security has to ensure that proper controls are being put in place and so. I'm wondering i'm assuming you kind of deal with trump as well right. Obviously you have to stay on the cutting edge of this technology but at the same time you've got so many pieces through secure. What do you think about empowering developers through kind of move forward them with a framework the letting them have some control over security and at the same time learning in that watchdog rare. Yeah i think it goes back to that earlier comment architecture and it's making the they paved road the secure road. 'cause people people want to go down whatever the easiest path is and and they want it to be secure just to be clear. There's i i've never met a developer. Who who wants to release insecure a low quality product However you know they also need to get out by a certain date and how do we. How do we make sure that we're accomplishing both of those things. It's going to take it. It's gonna it's gonna take the security team working with whatever architecture team or development team you've got to to ensure that the the way that's easiest also the way that's the most secure eruptions with your minutes With zero trust. I love how your trusted been garnering. So much attention to me. It's our Net breaches can be caused by persons that we typically trust store people that we think are safe people who are on the inside the firewall What are your thoughts in terms of kind of powell organization. How folks like yourself who manage information security for their organization. How should they be thinking about your trust than and taking what's good from zero said applying it to their existing framework. Yeah i'm i'm a massive fan. As i briefly mentioned that when i was talking about how i got over to paying right zero. Trust is the answer for the question. Okay we'll Network basically doesn't work. So what does well. Zero trust does work. And and i'm i'm i'm really happy to see the the positive trend we've seen especially over twenty twenty over twenty twenty during the pandemic where people are moving that direction. You know the the foundation of it. And i think you guys when we're prepping for this you know said it really well that the It's just about not having trust just because someone on my network right. That's a really nice one sentence summary of what this is about when you get into actually implementing it you realize that. There's a whole bunch of assumptions and challenges built into that ended up. Simple sentence that that mean you have to go a lot deeper in as you know within ping as as i came on board we created our own our own reference architecture. For what zero trust mean to us and and we we call it red corp in our logo is red and and may maybe a play on google beyond corp. It's how how we envision zero trust working for us. And i think that any company that serious about this really has to go create their own reference architecture their own perspective on how you do it the the the starting point is you know at least the way i look at it. There's there's three really important keys number one. You have to lock down the end point. You're connecting from and get into debates with this internally and externally but i firmly believe as long as the the bad guy owns the point. You're connecting they can get access the hypoth- hypothetically you know let's say. Hey i believe and we're gonna use vdi and they can't get anything. They can't download anything. But i tell you that they're you know they're going to be accessing the nuclear launch codes. Well no of course. That's not okay right. Because they see the nuclear launch codes or whatever the the most secure information in the world is an all that all i'm saying is there. Is there every organization has some data that just seeing is bad enough so we need to make sure we've locked down the point that we can trust that when it connects that that's not gonna cause us too much risk second thing is. We need to have a really robust controls around the resource. You're connecting to and whether you think of that is it's your wife or your application security built into the thing itself. It's your access security. Those different elements are critical. Point and then the third point which is where you know where i play. The most is is really highly robust intelligent authentication. That's on a risk basis. Says i have a really high confidence that this is the right person and this person based on their role should have access to this and because of the activity. They've had recently. I'm going to require more or less sign on. I'm going to require require multiple factors and all these different elements so they. Those are the three components. I think of and points Application security or resource security and then the the. Im stack co coming up with your strategy. For how do you cheer these. You know throw for the for these highest level of sensitivity for my data. Well you're going to have to have this much more robust set of controls and we're going to require that it actually be through a vpn. Because because i do want that extra layer or it's going to be you know these four or five other things we can require and for maybe the lower level stuff you know it could be available with with just a using a password. We can choose based on how highly sensitive information as i talked a little bit there. Let me let me come back. Just re cap it off with. I think every organization has to go through that exercise themself to identify what are the most important resources and then start working on a plan. For how did they roll out. Zero trust those most important resources i yet. You touched on the thing. That i was thinking here too because we get asked a lot about you know zero trust and will how do we do it. What's the reference architecture. Look like zero. Trust i. i don't think there really is. It's more the concepts and the ideas that you have to address because every organization is going to have different resources. Different targets different Acceptable levels of risk. Right all that stuff and sure you need. Probably some technologies right to be able to accurately identify users. And make sure that you're getting the right signals to be able to make authentication decisions and things like that. But i think that's i'm glad you brought that last point because they feel like there really isn't a one size fits all right. It's it's more of the concept of than taking those concepts and applying it to the infrastructure or the organization that you're trying to protect i've now had the opportunity you know talking to different customers and different friends in the industry to see dozens of different companies architecture for zero trust and i've seen a lot of good ones probably more than more than half of them have been pretty good and none of them have been alike now. They've all got their different spin. And and i think it's right. I think it's how it should be because you're just like if asked me what's a good security program look like i'm going to say well. It depends on the company. What is it zero. Trust strategy look like well it depends on the company and you know google did would do such a great service to the industry by publishing their beyond trust papers where they showed the way they did it and i'll just reiterate the really key point to that for me. Was they started by saying what's what's a workload. A workload is a user connecting to a resource. What's a workload. That's high risk to us as a company that we wanna start with and let's secure one workload at a time and over time we're going to be able to get into entire employees off of the vpn and that strategy Really really worked well for them. And i think it would work really well for just about other company. That's thinking about doing this as well. Yeah beyond corporate is is a really great concept. I remember seeing that either denver a few years back where they were present. Twenty sixteen or even twenty seventeen or blades. Ajax came and presented the yep absolutely all right. Well i know. We're coming towards the time but i wanted to do a liberal lightning around and get your gut gut feeling You know no no no holds barred responses to a couple of things that i hear a lot Super brief but user behavior analytics and access management. How did you see those playing out in the. Im space so so. I think it's it's absolutely the key to success. Here is is knowing what normal looks like in being able to bad based on that and you know user the epa and entity behavioral analysis is. A is one side to that. And i think of that as being you know your off indicated run time analysis and the other side of that is the is the pre authentication analysis where we're looking to see. Okay is this. Is this coming from about ip address that we have a pattern of signings from this person. That looks militias. And i think being able to match those two things together. So we go from pre authentication. All the way through your session is super powerful. But you know there are. There are things that are thrown in. That makes us more difficult. We talked about the trends going to the cloud and going to the cloud and not having things in your data center. It really does slow it. It makes us more difficult you have to do. You wanna make people hairpin back through some kind of system to see it anyway. I know you said lightning rounds. All stop talking all right. How about blockchain identity. Where do you see that at the end of this year Can i can i pass i. I'm i'm still looking for a use case at least in the enterprise side. Haven't seen good one yet. But yes feel free to. I'll say i think blockchain is a really neat set of technologies that we haven't yet I haven't seen a lot of things that couldn't have been just been done just as well in a database. all right. my last one here is finished. The sentence if i if i log in and i'm not using mfa. I am what you're probably not you. You're probably you're probably. You're probably from a different country and if you're not using mfa to log in. Yeah you're you're you're lucky that you're still able logging. I would that. I would go with screwed. But that's just me all right so you know you've been super johnson your time. I do want to talk a little bit about this. Identity management day that we can of cheese at the top of the show. I mentioned that it's april thirteenth. The second tuesday april. It is a brand new thing. So if you don't feel like you missed out. Last year is something that has been started by the identity defying a security alliance along with some help from the national cyber security alliance as well. I think this is probably breaking news. It wasn't sure if you're aware of it. Rob but Yeah there's there's a identity management day april thirteenth thoughts. Does that mean. We have to sign in more times that day. What do we do to celebrate that day. Well we've talked about maybe doing a cake in our last episode I think there's a lot of different ways people get involved. There are a few different things that you can do. You can go to identity management day dot org. They have a bank brand spanking new website. Where you can do things like nominee in evangelist of the year or maybe rate a podcast of the year and the im space and i think that would be. You know something that people might be interested in You could do not like an orgy of the year. I know they're looking for content as well for blogging around identity management. And you know maybe doing blog or some sort of video or audio type thing that you know. They're looking to kind of help. Highlight the need for. I m You know maybe that's something that You know people might be interested in go. Check that out any thoughts on being in an evangelist of the year for a friend from an. Im perspective that's fantastic. I i don't think i get to to win that. I don't think i've been a good enough evangelist. But i do think that you know we do. Need these days to to get people to think about this. Kind of behind the scenes the pipes in the walls authentication is is critical for our success. We want to make sure that we're getting better. So i appreciate them putting this together eject jumped last week. We celebrated national pancake day. I think a basic question. Why isn't there an identity management day right another risk by april thirteenth You know. I think we're we're we're trying to figure out. What does that look like for us to show perspective on. How can we helped kind of celebrate that you know. It's it's always great to get recognition. I think the more people that are aware of identity and how important places security you know. I would argue. That identity is at the center in chimps when it comes to security and being able to to know what you're trying to protect so you know i i fully support it jim. I think you know you do too absolutely You know. I think what you're saying rates. It's about raising awareness We're trying to pull more people into this career field. I'll like all of information security. There's more demand than there is talent an identity manson's absolutely no exception is great place to build a career and i'm hoping that there some emphasis on that is like you know. How do we bring more people into the spiel and get excited about it and look at it as a great way to build a career Because there's a there's a lack of lack of talent per se or that's not really you need experience in this field right you bill experience by spending many years in the field and so we have to start bringing new people into the fields of that we star building that talent pipeline for the next decade and beyond hossam. Thank you guys so much for having me on your show it's been it's been a real treat to get you both. Yeah you're join us rob you. That is probably a good spot will go ahead and leave it for this week. reminder don't forget Identity management day. I will have linked the whole bunch of stuff in our show notes and we'll have links to rob's podcast colorado equal security Rob if you're cool that will put a winston connection there for twelve people want to reach out or y- okay with that. I absolutely always happy to connect with folks. Make sure you put a note in there. So i know you're you're podcast or not a salesperson not not a lot not someone trying to sell a leads or anything like that you know. Get plenty of those All right well if that will go ahead and call it for this week you can visit us on the web at identity at the center dot com. Gotta handy handiwork there as well for identity management day and you can find us on twitter at the. Id ac podcasts. And with that. Thanks rob for joining us. Jim thanks for your time as well and we'll talk with y'all in the next one. Thanks guys thanks for listening to the identity at the centre podcast. You like what you heard. Don't forget to subscribe visit us on the web. 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