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Better Rivals Ep. 280: 49ers 2019 draft review

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Better Rivals Ep. 280: 49ers 2019 draft review

"Welcome to this week's edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better eyeballs podcast. My name is Oscar operate CO and this week boy. The battle of winter fell was absolutely amazing. The NFL draft is all wrapped up and we are here to recap this episode. And with me this week to occupy the space under your jump shot with impunity David Newman. I take offense to that. Man. Did you watch any of the the rockets warriors game? I have not. No. Yeah. Well, there was basically the the story of the game. We're all the miss calls because the warriors were getting up under the shot of the Houston Rockets, and it will just say that like playing basketball. I hate that. I hate that guy so much. Well, the thing was I didn't think that the moves were. Agreed just really I thought that it's difficult to not get under someone shot when they jump up into their shot and then to create a V with their legs because they're kicking them into you defender. I mean sure which is sounds like a fair point. Yeah. Whatever I just James harden. Irritates me in a lot of very. Very interesting ways. So it was good game. I'm glad they won on two game too. But let's talk a little bit about the twenty nine hundred NFL draft because it is officially in the books. We are going to refer for those of you who tuning in for the game of thrones. Stock that's going to be at the end of the episode. We'll definitely put time codes in there. So you can skip ahead or skip it up to you, especially for John avoids boilers. But the twenty nine hundred NFL draft is in the books. David how do you feel about the draft overall overall pretty good? I think I did do the top two picks. You feel really good about him mean, obviously, we talked about both at length but getting possibly the best player in the draft at position of importance and also a position of need for the team like really kind of no brainer. If you're gonna stay at number two that was clearly the pick. And then I think we both also like Samuel and things that he has the ability to be a big part of this offense and really be somebody. That's vital part of this passing game in can really. Help them out in we talked about spending resources that can improve your pass offense is never really a bad use of research, especially if you're getting what we think is a quality player. Right. Somebody that fits what they like in that position. So those are the two that I think are great. I think they found some value late in the draft. But overall if you can hit on those early picks, I mean, that's going to be ultimately what defines us draft when we look back on it. So I think they have a really good chance to for those two picks to look pretty good. Obviously, we won't know how the drop is going to turn out for a few years, but initial impressions are really in my opinion based on the evaluation of the player and the valuation of the pick overall. I think in both instances the Niners did some really really good step, especially the top of the draft. I'm considering adding deebo Samuel scores on a slant. The drinking game. Either that or get one we're going to have to replace the Selleck time chug your beer rule now, we'll get we'll get to that in a minute. But yeah, I think that there's definitely some value with the top. And then I think I don't want to take a minute talk about Jalen hundred a bit because I think after our Jalen Hurd scouting report the sentiment. I think that we were giving was generally negative. And even though we said, I think all of the things that are true about his evaluation. He's gonna win an intermediate areas of the field. He's got some physical tools that are enticing. And I went back and looked at a lot of his tape. And I think that I was probably or sounded more negative than actually on the pick. But I've actually warmed to him over watch him after watching him, more and more and more. And I can absolutely see the logic in drafting someone like Jalen Hurd. And to your point if you're throwing resources at something I'd rather throw it at something that is going to be that's not a linebacker running back, right, especially that high. So I I think I've warmed to it quite a bit more. And I can absolutely see why the team wanted to get someone like. Jalen Hurd in the third round. I haven't really I still feel largely the same way. I think is is when we did before I think the one thing in kind of a corner and the pros strongly for that is the thing that we mentioned right is is spending resources on the passing game. I think if that is something that all picked it ultimately works out. You know? That's obviously a good thing. Anything we can do to make pass offense better as good. I still largely feel like he's not a player that does any one thing really all that. Well, I think versatility as we've talked about in the past is only good being capable of doing multiple things is different than being good at multiple things. And I think just because in theory he can lined up at receiver and you can motion in the backfield. And you can give them a a hand off from there or you might be able to to add back some weight on and get back to his running back wait in place them tight end or something like that. Like just because he's possibly capable of doing those things doesn't mean that he's. He's better at a receipt as a receiver than actual receiver. That's been doing that or better than a running back that could actually get that carry. Right. So like, I it's just I think there's a big big unknown. I think the fact that he's a pretty solid athlete at that size. And has I think some decent movements goes on. He's a bad athlete. Is like intriguing but that that's not a pick that you make with the sixty seventh overall selection. Right. That's a pick that you make on day three. And I saw I think it's more the spot is just still a concern. But again, we'll see how that looks on a couple of years. Yeah. For me. It's really just the consistency thing because he shown the ability to do things in spurts that you're like, okay. That's that's pretty awesome. I really really liked that. That's great. But what really good players do is they consistently do those great things over and over and over again. So we look at why Nick Bosa was at the top of the draft. Someone like Quinton Williams. They consistently are able to be there defenders are consistently able to win. And I think Jalen Hurd was able to win in some cases, but a lot of the reception that he got and I think this is probably why the initial scouting report was a bit more sour at least from my perspective is when you saw a lot of his catches and he had almost thousand yards. But a lot of them were things that he didn't produce on his own. They were just opened in the middle of the field because you had an RPO or something like that. But in the instances in which he did create and did win. I thought that was pretty exciting. So really for me. It's a consistent consistency thing. If he can be come more consistent in the way that he runs his routes and the way that he uses his athleticism. He could be a pretty nice addition. So I don't I think that's that's why I've warmed to it overall. And so I think it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. But then you get to the middle rounds. And this is where you start with the forty Niners having a few issues in a couple of places where you had some head scratching moves. So of course in the fourth round, the Niners selected Mitch which now sqi puncher from Utah and then in the fifth round they picked Drake greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas. So which one of those two picks did you like least, David? I give you a guess. Yeah. I'm guess, I'm man, I'm gonna guess the punter. I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to say you didn't like that pick. No, no, not not especially. I mean, look, it's there's no reason to kind of go and waste fifteen minutes ranting about a punter is just nine it's something that at this stage in my life. I'm prepared to do. I think I don't know. There's a lot of I think, you know, maybe you can kind of like help point what your biggest questions like I think just it's it's tough to justify taking a punter with the hundred and tenth overall selection that is that is very very difficult to remind them. I think for me that was more of the issue. It was the place in the draft not necessarily drafting punter. I know that you are infinitely more versa drafting a punter than I am. I totally get that make sense. Right. But I do think that when you look at the way there are really two punters on the board that people were were kind of lusting after right? It was Jake Bailey from Stanford. And this dude Mitch the wish and you think to yourself. Okay. We we have two very very good punters on the board. And if we the Niners had just traded back into the fifth round. There were worried the the patriots. We're going to draft a punter which they did eventually in the fifth round. But they were worried that the patriots were going to drop the punter and so with your fifth round. Pick though, you're already a head of the patriots. So I felt it would have been a more shrewd use of resources to pick a player that can really help your team on offense on defense and coverage in the passing game or something like that with that fourth round pick especially because it was such a high fourth round pick. I mean at that point. You're looking at maybe value that slips from third round into the fourth on the way that your boards coming down. And you think to yourself I do have a fifth round pick ahead of the patriots. Let's say that someone does end up drafting wish now sqi cool. I can still get Jake Bailey. And I think that might me personally. I'd still if I didn't get either of them. I'm okay with that. But I think that play was a bit better allocation of resources based on the way your roster's constructed then drafting that punter in the fourth round that high. Yeah. I mean, I think depending on what angle you wanna come from there. There's a number of different issues to potentially take it. Right. I think one thing that is important to call out in this kind of is something that you touched on a little bit there, which is. There is a difference between when when kind of like trying to evaluate things from the outside. There is a difference in what is in. What should be right? I think we like to live in a world of what should be. This is what we think is kind of the optimal way, you know, based on everything that we've been doing over these years. This is kind of how we think is the best approach to put a winning football team together. Right. This is just kind of lessons that we've learned. But it's also important to to to understand and realize that that's of course, not the way every NFL team thinks, and maybe not even the way most NFL teams think. And so when you're looking at punters, right? I would say the what should be is that punters and specialists in general should never be drafted. I it's just a specialist, even if you get a very very good one can flat out not have the impact on your win loss record as a positional player on offense or defense. It just the impact is not there to justify it. But that's not how NFL teams generally proceed. I mean, we do see most. Hunters in the NFL are undrafted. But if you're going to draft them typically the way that we see this is six round is kind of the sweet spot is where you see a lot of the drafted punters go, and then you have kind of like a handful of guys that are maybe your top punter prospects that that sneak up into the fifth round, right? I think Dixon last year Nixon. I mean, this the example that everyone is going to trot out when they're talking about an elite all pro punter, and they'd be less hunger prospect that never ever see right. Like at least in kind of like the modern NFL like just fantastic, right? And he only went in the fifth round. So I think there's there's those two thing where we're like. Okay. So where you're at right now in the NFL norm is we're generally going to look in the sixth round. Or if we got a guy, maybe we're going to sneak up into the late fifth or something like that. If we feel super strongly about them, and you're taking a guy now with one hundred and ten overall spot, which is a a prime position. There are still very good football players on the board. That can help your team fifth round pick. I I mean, I think that's one of the dichotomy between what is and what should be. I think is a really interesting one. Because I think that going forward on fourth down is the prime example of something that started out as what should be sure and his very quickly moving into. What is and now you see coaches getting lambasted for not being aggressive enough. And now everyone's like, well, look if you go for it on fourth down more often, you're more likely going to get, you know, more points over the course of a season, which mathematically is correct. But it's taken some time to get there. And I have well, I don't know how it's going to end up. But I think specialists and drafting specialists is kind of in that mold for for you as well. Right. Yeah. And it's just in the other thing, I think the final thing I guess that I'll say is like the drafted punters aren't even markedly better than the undrafted ones. Right. Like saying it goes back to like the general thing about the draft is that we we don't know a whole lot right about these things. And so when it comes to punters the NFL teams evaluations on punter. Aren't any better than they are at other positions? Right. It's not like they're they're so good at identifying this specific skill that like, okay, if they're going to draft him those guys end up being really good like sometimes it works out. Right. You look at the best punter in the NFL over the past three years has been Thomas morstead. He was a fifth round pick the next three guys in terms of three year grade for us at PF, which is a punting grading system, by the way that was helped developed by a former NFL punter, and Chris clearly he's the one that kind of helped us form that system the next three guys in the list or undrafted. And then you look at the other fifth rounders, right? You're just as likely to get a guy like Bradley pin Radley was below average Boehner. So it's all over the board still. So you're not even by that by wasting that pick not even guaranteed to get good production at that. And then there's the question of like, even if you do what does that good production at punting really worth. And I think too I if you're worried about your punter guess what upgrade your offense and don't worry about punting. Just go for it on fourth down. I'm ready to move. Needle all the way to that. That rent there's never punt already way too much time that I wanted to spend on. But I thought I love that you did. I miss writing. I'm not nearly as a versa dropping punter as you are. I think drafting hundred if you think it's your guys fine like in the fifth round at the earliest. But even then I think the way the board was falling down the Niners could have applied their resources a little bit better. But then you get to their actual actually one more thing really quickly because this is going to be a retort that we hear often but Bill Belichick traded up for a punch in the fifth round. And I think that even I who okay with drafting specialists and punters in the fifth round think that is a false analogy easiest because when you look at the context of the situations in which both teams are operating. It's not the same will start with the fact that wealth the patriots have a Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners. Do not we can start. There is point number one. Right. I think there's a number. You have to look at the surrounding context. Right. It's not as simple as. This team is good. And they drafted a punter in this team is bad and they drafted a punter. But that didn't make it a bad decision. Because the good team. Did it too right? It's. Again, the manager selection of a punter was what the one hundred tenth overall pick. And this was what their fourth pick in this entire draft. Right. So a player again that they should be looking for an actual contributor for the patriots. The punter was their ninth pick. They already done such a good job in the draft that accumulating picks in that second third fourth round range and had taken so many players already that. Yeah. By the time, you're getting to draft your ninth and tenth guys, you just don't have that many roster spots, and you're already working with a much better roster to begin with your you're working with again Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners are working with a roster that just earned the second overall pick. And so those situations aren't really compatible. But then you get to the the forty Niners other pick in those kind of mid to late rounds, and it was their fifth round pick, Drake. Greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas the forty Niners feel like they got some value here. They had them higher on their list. He did run a four seven three the combine. But and this. Is an interesting factoid. They had GPS data from Arkansas that indicated that he was faster than its four seven time. Do you think that the I don't ever think the forty is going to be rendered useless because the NFL has created a cottage industry for combine stuff in scoring and hand time versus laser time. But do you think that we will ever just kind of shoot the combine forty and just be like cool? We can put a GPS chip in his shoulder pads and see how fast the actually is on the field. I mean, it would be a while. Right. I think the the benefit of having the forty are. Dash is that we have all this Stoorikhel data to go back, and we can compare right. All of these combine drills have been the same forever. And so it's very easy. We have a large data set to work with. And so you know teams like having that ability to. Compare those directly and be able to get better results because they have a wider data sets work from right now. The the issue with the GPS data is that we just don't have a lot of it. And especially the college level rightly so the NFL level in general. They just got everyone has it. Right. They just got to the point where every team gets every teams data. And so the college level their way further behind the nexus has a chip at. But you know, you're going to get some of your bigger schools, right bigger programs that have a lot of money that can do it. But the problem is selling ain't gonna have it is. Yeah. And it's just not the same stuff that everybody's using in. So it's it's far more difficult to make comparisons. Then again, this stuff hasn't been around that long. So if a guy is running at a certain speed now like cool that sounds good. But we don't know like what did these other picks that went high where where they run, and we don't know, right. We'd have nothing to compare it to you right now. So I think if that is something that happens it is much further down the road when that. Data's had time to really build itself up. Yeah. When you look at his when you look at his tape, which I didn't watch a whole hell of a lot of it. But the tape that I did see he does seem faster than four seven. But he certainly doesn't seem fast overall. His lettuce is a members were not great. So I think if the team is looking for the trait that they're getting with this player, it's probably his tackling ability. He was a pretty sure tackler in college thinking ranked twelfth and tackling efficiency. But that's about the only thing at least initially that you can say like, okay, that's great. And then when you look at kind of their opportunity costs with this pick they had if we're gonna pick a linebacker here. Cool. That's great. But Blake Cashman was on the board when they selected greenlaw, and like Cashman, I think was an overall better prospect on a lot of different ways when you compare him to the prospect that was that was drapery and law, right? I think yeah. I don't have a ton to say here again. I think you know, of course, he would have rather they go for coverage or something like that. But it's the fifth round. It doesn't really if you want to add some linebacker depth, whatever especially with as we'll get into a little bit later kind of where they feel. Things are at their secondary right now. Go go get your linebacker as we've talked about you know, kind of each draft season. One of the things that we like teams to look for in. These later round picks is find somebody that is has like one really really good thing that they can lean on which is like that may be athleticism. Right. Maybe they're just a very unfinished prospect. They haven't shown a lot on the field for whatever reason. But they're fantastic athlete. Okay. Take a chance on that guy can coach him up or you take the guy that has just despite kind of poor athleticism has been able to produce it is super high level right is just he's been able to make plays despite what he's working against physically. See if he can he can continue to do that the next level. Right. Take a chance on those guys with greenlaw. He kind of isn't either? So he was you know, like, a sixteen th percentile athlete by spark. So even if you want to say that he's a little faster than his time. You still like a very clearly below average athletes. If you were to take his forty time up until like the high four fives, which is a significant increase off of four seven for an NFL player. That's still doesn't take athleticism score much higher than than where he's at right now. Right. I think. Yeah. Even if you want to say is a little bit better than what he tests that he tested at so poorly that that's still not going to be that great. And then from production standpoint, he was actually kind of one of the worst linebackers in this class at Arkansas. So when you look at the guys that were either drafted or is a part of our top fifty big board at PF that group linebackers. He was the second lowest graded when you look at his three year grade in doing that again at a. Top conference in college football like doesn't leave. You feeling super great about where he was out on the field. You would have liked to see we see all the time linebackers, especially come from schools that otherwise aren't that? Great. But they can stand out. Right. It's it's easy for a linebacker to be able to stand out. Even if the guy's around them, aren't that? Great. He didn't really do that in. So. Yeah, I think you know, it's like, whatever if their evaluation, let them there they wanna take a chance on like, I think it's just it's hard to find something based on what we know at this moment to feel super positive about him. So you mentioned having a player that does one thing. Really really, well, and I think when you get into the late around picks this is where the Niners actually really started getting some value out of their picks. And the back end if the top of their draft was was really good. And in the middle kind of had this. I'm not sure how I feel about them or I just think it was a poor decision. Overall, their final three picks were I think really good. You look at cadence Smith tight on that a Stanford six round overall hundred and Seventy-six he's the guy who does one thing really. Really well, run this guy on his seem route and throw it up to him. And he's probably going to catch it. And he's he's really really good at it. Despite the fact that he's not again super athletic. He was not fast. He was not the George Kittle high spark tight end he was still I in the class on deep catch rate. He was third in deep passing yards. And he was first in slot receptions and second slot yards. So this is someone who's gun in right for Celik for Sally time. And and I think you know, Garrett Celik is a backup tight end. He fills his role and your the team probably does need an upgrade for that. Second tight end slot. And they drafted someone who's got a very very specific set of skills. And that's exactly the type of player you want to target late in the draft. And I think it was you know, all things considered a really good pick. Right. I think definitely some value. I think you know, you wouldn't have been surprised to see him go around or two earlier. I think. Yeah. Like, not the greatest athlete doesn't have necessarily great speed. But there's enough there. I think you know, he gets Inada cuts all right for his size. I think he's definitely a better receiver. I mean, you know, he does have obviously substantial blocking experience plane at Stanford and the offense that they run, but he spent roughly equal time in line and out either in the slaughter out wide a receiver. So has been able to move around a little bit and that offense and do some different things. I think. Yeah. Absolutely his best girl. And this was something that Lynch and Shanahan brought up when they were talking about in the press or something that I really read with where. Yeah. His best asset is really kind of his catch radius. He's not going to necessarily like leap out of the building for over the top guys and surly, but he's a big target. And if you get it in his area like he's really good is going up with he had more contested targets than anybody. Any other tight end this class and came down with a really, hyper Senator though so over fifty percent of his contested targets. He caught. So that's kind of his thing. He's not going to run away from me. I think if you look at two games, you can really kind of see both sides of it. The Oregon game is kind of the high end of things you really made a lot of great plays decibels seem in kind of that intermediate to right around twenty yard range and then the game against Notre Dame. You see the lack of athleticism little bit. He really struggled a separate in that game. And just wasn't wasn't a good look for over only colleague one six targets. I believe in that game. And just wasn't great overall. So I think he's going to have some struggles. If he runs into situations where he's matched up with you know, linebackers or really probably more the safeties that are much better athletes than him. He's going to really struggle the kind of separate from those guys. And so it's going to be kind of on Jimmy to be able to trust even though he's not gaining separation to still give them a chance to kind of make a plan the ball. But I think there's a a really good. I think he has a really a chance of taking that number two tight end spot. I think he's likely a better receiver than in. Any of the other non-kill tight ends at this point. So yeah, I think there's definitely a chance that he can come in and find a role in this offense. And I mean that's second tight end spot has been a revolving door for Shanahan and Lynch announced since they've been here. I mean, you look at you know, they're going after players like Kollwitz and Ross dwelling and Logan Paulsen. And you know, Selleck spin the kind of the person who's who's been there. But I think they are very much looking to upgrade that role. And I think this might be the guy to do it eventually as a role player and has that second tight end not someone who's going to have a ton of snaps, but someone who can fit a very very specific role and can give the team some quality snaps as Celik gets into the twilight of his career. But then you get to probably one of the more value picks where you're actually getting some solid lettuce. Zim good production. But someone wants some injury concerns, and that's Tim Harris cornerback from Virginia whom the Niners drafted sixth in the six round hundred ninety eighth overall. And when you're talking about value, this is this is the poster child for value late in the draft. If you're going to gamble on someone you gamble on someone who is a plus athlete who fits your profile who had great who had some great production. But has that injury asterisk next to his name? Right. He just I mean, he spent six years at Virginia. Didn't he got like a special exemption to get an additional year of eligibility? So I think it was weird. Yeah. He he had like six or seven years in college. I mean, basically, the only dude older than him on the roster might be our punter. But. She and of course, just goes without saying it's actually Mike mcglinchey contract that he's legally older than the oldest person on the roster. With harris. I mean. Yeah, you look it again checks. A lot of the boxes is far as late round prospects. Go and things that you like to see is a fantastic athlete. One of the best athletes at the corner position in his draft class ninety second percentile so again better than ninety two percent of the Cornerbacks in the NFL. There had really good change direction. And kind of jumped numbers it was explosiveness their fit really well with his size because he does have that kind of prototypical size that they really do prefer to have in this defense. So he's six two two hundred has some solid length in so all of those fit kind of what we know that they like to see cornerback. And then the production is Ben solid again for a lot of his career was if he but this last year was the season he was able to spend the most time on the field in did really. Well, how to coverage grade that was approaching ninety. Even as three year coverage grade was kinda landed in the mid eighties there. So we really solid production stuff that you don't typically see that combination of athleticism man production for a six round pick. He's definitely got some things to clean up technique wise. I mean there there was some some spots where it looked kinda ugly. And there's there's some things that he needs to work on. But absolutely as a player worth taking a chance on that late in the draft. And I think that when you look at the Niners prefer players actually kill it will it's been it wasn't necessarily willing tackler. But if the Niners are going to have a profile, they would want someone who's going to be able to be a willing tackler. And when you look at some of what Tim Harris does he's absolutely able to mix it up and get in there. So if you don't like corners that are averse to contact and you didn't like the greedy Williams picked because we thought oh, he's averse to contact. I don't want to drive someone like that. Tim Harris doesn't have that blight. He's able to get in there and mix it up. And I mean, you would hope so with as big as dude is I mean, sixty two hundred at the corner position. So that's probably when when we're talking about value when you're. Talking about someone who could have gone much earlier in the draft. This is probably their value pick. And I'm excited to see what what his career blossoms into. If it does. Because that's you know, these are the kinds of picks especially late that you wanna make definitely I mean, I think this was a guy that you know, so Renner and Steve or the guys that do the put together our big board at PF. I mean, they had him as the one hundred seventeen overall player there. So again, a guy that could have gone is early as the fourth round probably maybe even a little bit earlier in that. If you had a team that really kind of fell in love with it is far as what he did show when he was on the field there. And obviously an injury concerns is probably the the main thing that really pushed him down quite a bit. But again, you want to take some chances on guys at least if shown you something that they give you a reason to think they might be able to come in and find a roster spot for you. And I think he absolutely has the ability to do that. So there were a couple of comments that team made when they were talking about their draft picks. And I wanted to ask if you question. About that. But before we get into that just a quick message from our sponsors. Everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I guess is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world with tech show hosted by me, our executive editor Peter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. 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See to me and Paul ranting each other about the role of the government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe to diverse chace wherever podcasts are served. We'll see them. I'm curious what you thought about the comments that Lynch made when he was asked about drafting a corner, and he basically had a formulation of the you don't come in and take us Martius job quote, but he was talking specifically about corners. And he said, you know, when when we're looking at the corner position, you really have to think to yourself are they going to come in and beat Richard Sherman, or they're gonna come in and beat the Killa Witherspoon antivirus, more and all these players that have some question marks over their head. You know that the only player that really doesn't Richard Sherman. But he's very clearly on the decline of his very great. What will probably assuredly be a hall of fame career? But that's that self evaluation of the corner position is what really took the team away from drafting or adding to that area. It seems like and I think that's that was interesting to hear their evaluation in the room. And it was interesting to hear what seemed like the aversion to adding talent for a team that supposedly values competition at every level. Right. And it was very strange because he also had a comment that was in there that said you can't have enough good Cornerbacks which was really seemed to run against this. I mean, I think the that line of thinking, isn't that bad? I mean the way Shanahan explained it. Right. I think makes a lot of sense, which is essentially, okay. You're sitting there in the third round. Right. And you have a receiver and a cornerback that you feel roughly equally with with your evaluation. And then you have to kind of look at the roster. Right. Okay. Does is it more likely that we can bring this receiver in and he can come in and help us out born be better than the guys. We haven't roster or is this corner. Do it. Right. I think that line of thinking is very good. And sound the part where it breaks down is thinking that you're set with the group of Cornerbacks that they have right? I think that's the concerning part. And as we've talked about many times with the Cornerbacks that they have on the roster. There is reason to be excited about some of these guys. And there are definitely scenarios that play out that these guys multiple these guys ended up being. In good players the probability of the outcome of what happens with the corner position. And there's a world in which all of the people take a step forward or they get back to their rookie form in the case of Adrian Colbert Jimmy awards stays healthy and Richard Sherman. Takes another step because he's fully healthy this year. A pillow Witherspoon becomes the corner that we thought he would be and all of a sudden you have a pretty fearsome kind of quarterbacks or secondary. But that is kind of on the outline of the probability curve. Right. And the other the other outlier is that they'll suck. And the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle of that bell curve when you're thinking of the probability of outcomes. And so the more the more likely scenario is that some of them end up. Okay. Some of them end up crappy. But if half of those dudes end up crappy, you still overall have a pretty boy secondary that needs some help exactly like the thing that we know kind of above all else is when you have a lot of question marks not all of them are going to be answered positively right? We've seen this time and time again where the team is kind of relied. Heavily on younger players in the development of those young players in. That's put them in a bad spot. Right. If only ABCD all workout, and these guys all progress the way that we hope then we'll be fine. And like, yes, sure. If that happened, you probably would be fine. But you can't really plan around that way. You know, you have you have to plan for the opposite. Right. You hope for that. Exact what you plan for the opposite. What what we would like to see is that you recognize that. Okay. Our past defenses one of the most important things that we can do as a team and team building. And we wanna make sure all aspects of that are good. And we've done par part of that is we've loaded up on pass rush. And that's great fantastic. Dine is going to be super fun. I can't wait. Absolutely. So you do that. And then but also bringing don't be afraid to bring in guys in the secondary. Right. You wanna make the pass coverage as good as it doesn't have to be a one or the other. I think a lot of times in this argument of like, okay, which is more important. It gets lost that. They're both important. They both matter. And so you don't want to just like put all of your eggs in one of the baskets. You want to be able to have kind of complimentary pieces there in. So you wanna have enough options at cornerback that if guys go down with injury, you have options to go to right or that you just give your like most portent that you give yourself more chances to succeed. And if you you have six of these guys, you think can all come in and compete, it's better than it's more likely that you're going to have two or three of them actually hit and be really good than if you only have four. No, I think you look at the strategy of someone like Dorsey who added greedy Williams on the secondary already has Denzil award. But why the hell not Ed, greedy? Right. And he spent a pretty high draft pick in order to go get him. He wasn't afraid that that was going to impact that that defensive secondary. Even though he's already got a couple of really good players there. And you look at was it Roseman who said that, you know, we don't want to be so era that to think that it's all going to work out or that. We're always going to be right. You want more chances to hit? And I think that's that's exactly the philosophy. And so it was definitely curious. But the value the front seven that's where they're adding all of their resources. I think it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Did we learn anything else about the team and their decision making process because to me these moments and the draft where you get to see their decisions exposed are really interesting moments to learn a bit about what they like what they prefer and their overall process for adding talent to the roster. So did we learn anything about this team now in year three? Of seeing the move through this draft. I don't know that we learned a whole lot new. But I think we had some things reinforced that would that we already suspected, right? I think one of the things that we had become worried about was effectively them. Zeroing in on certain players, and deciding that they're going to get that player. No matter the cost, right? These end up largely being their worst decisions. Right. It's the the juice contract. It's the Malcolm William, Malcolm Smith signing. It's deciding that you can't go to sleep at night. If you don't get CJ Beathard and Joe Williams on your roster. It's it's those type of decisions that I can't go to night until I see his picture CJ bathroom. I look at that photograph look look at that photograph don't ever stop looking at that photograph. Right. So I wonder that will get old today's not that today's not that day. And so I think you know, we've we've seen them kind of every offseason identify certain players and just aside. This is the guy right? There's there's no other player that can possibly do what this player does for us. We have to have him and they pay way above what the market value is to get that player and largely they've been wrong on those players. They have not. It'd be one thing if they were hitting on all of those guys on those were they were coming in and making a big difference. Again, those of largely been their worst decisions so far through three years. And so I think it's concerning. You wanna be able to understand that? Yes. We may like this guy better. But there's you have to understand which players are truly special and which ones. Yeah, we might like more than others, but we can find similar skills. Elsewhere without having to pay that extra premium, right? You wanna put the big resources go over the top for the guys who really truly are special. Title, not the fullback that you think is the best fullback available. Yeah. I think I probably didn't learn anything new about the team. But I think that absolutely things got reinforced. They definitely I think some of the thing that I have to separate myself from is that I really want them to approach it a certain way. But I think obviously Lynch and Shanahan and approach it a very different way. So my takeaways mostly about how I'm going to try to approach evaluating what the hell they're doing. And putting it try to put it through their lens. Even though in the back of my head. I'm going to be like probably a quarterback, but to okay, I totally get that you're throwing resources into your front seven and you're going to have like ninety seven linebackers. Okay. Cool. Let's see how that works out. Yeah. It's going to understand that that element of it. Right. You wanna look at it through their lens and see if okay is the way that they're approaching this does there seem to be a coherent plan in place. Like, do these things make sense when you're looking at it through that lens? And you know, sometimes that's true. I think a lot of their offense of moves. Right. I think that's true. And that makes sense considering Cal Shanahan. I think the problem has been on defense. It's really, you know, obviously, we will continue to to make fun of the juice contract forever until probably tell well beyond when he leaves this team because it was so bad. But I think largely the problems have been defensively. Right. That's when they have really been done a poor job of identifying those players they've gone out of their way to get some of them. And it just generally has not worked out for them. You know, when I think about the plan on offense specifically, I think about the forty Niners trying to get bigger and trying to get bullyish on offense. And I think that is really interesting. Because I don't know how Jalen hurts going to turn out, but they definitely come to him for his size and his athleticism and while I don't think Shanahan is right. They're going to play him out wide receiver. I do think that trotting out there with two wide receivers. And then moving him into kind of a bigger formation or maybe he can be a back or something like that. Could you know, we know that running out or passing under running formations can be very very valuable and someone like deebo Samuel who is also plays very very aggressively and their tight end who's also kind of a big type of receiver. It just seems like and they wanna use Goodwin. Moore's as a gadget guy and more in that Taylor Gabriel role. I'm not saying that they're going to come out here and trot out Jim Harbaugh's offense. But I'm curious what kinds of things Shanahan has in his mind that he wants to deploy these tools with the interesting thing to me is. Okay. So like, the her thing this, I think is a really good comparison. You talk about players that can not only lineup wide and run routes and be a research. Lever out there be a legitimate receiving threat. But also be able to motion in the backfield and be a running threat or or the opposite. Right. Maybe they're starting in the backfield because Vietnamese running back, and they can go out out wide like is Jalen Hurd going to be able to do that at a higher level than jerk. Mckinnon. I think it's it's almost one hundred percent certain that he's better runner or even right Coleman. You think Hohmann? A receiver one of my favorite receiving routes that tendon Coleman runs is that corner out from the backfield. And he runs it very well, and he is faster than Jalen Hurd. When he runs that. Right. And we've seen McKinnon like legitimately, go out wide and run receiver style routes, right? It's not just being good good is a receiver for running back. Right. He's done like legitimate receiver e things out there. And so it's like on offense. You do run into a situation where you can only have so many of these guys on field. Right. You can only get so many of them the ball. And when you start to overlap skill sets too much. I think which is what the heard thing. Like the heard thing. Yes, he may have some versatility. But does he do any one of those things better than other players that are already on the roster? Like, I don't I don't know. Like right now, I think the answer is no. And so it's just they have versatile piece. I think looking for that stuff finding guys who can be threats and don't really give away those run past and its use is clearly an important part of what Shanahan wants offense of. And I think that's great, right? Sure. Go for that. That's valuable thing. That makes sense we seek New England have a lot of success doing similar stuff. Like, you can be very successful with that approach. That's fine. It's just like, okay. Using those picks on things where we can already get that accomplished with. What's there is that the best use of that resource hitting? That's the concern. I think my last kind of thought to is there are there are I think one you want to put into context that. We're not saying that this team is like the giants, right? When we take issue with some of their gentleman is uniquely uniquely terrible at his job currently. Yes. And so when we take issue with some of their approach, I think it's important to point out like we're not trying to say this is like the worst run organization football. Currently, right. Like nothing really close to that quite the opposite. I actually kind of like the draft overall understanding that you you're not gonna hit on every pick every team makes mistakes curious decisions and some of them work out some of them don't. But I think top to bottom they at least initially because we we have no idea how these players are going to pan out. But initially it good. But the the other thing is like they kind of they've continued to make some of these these mistakes. And I think it's by all accounts, like something we should expect them to continue to zero in on some of these players, and they're probably going to continue to miss on some of them. Hopefully, they will hit on more of them going forward. But. The thing is if Jimmy is the player that we think in Hopi is it's probably not going to matter. And so I think that's a tough spot to be when you're trying to evaluate things because you know, what how much is this stuff ultimately going to affect the win loss. I think there is a real chance that if Jimmy isn't a bonafide consistent top five quarterback. These are the little differences that are going to mean the difference between being a playoff team and being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Right. It's finding those those advantages on the margins in really getting the most out of your fifty three man roster and putting those resources in the right place. That's going to be the thing. But they're not going to be a bad team. If Jimmy is healthy and a good quarterback. It's just not going to happen. Yeah. And I think when you look at their plan their plan now is pretty obvious. They're going to throw a high level of really your price value resources at the front seven on defense. They. Lucked another quarterback, which is great. And they're looking for bigger more versatile pieces on offense that they can use either in specific roles or enrolls that don't tip pass run tendencies, and they feel like you can't put a ton of resources everywhere. So the place that are going to skip is coverage, and they're going to you either try to get athletes that perform or athletes at the system can cover up, and that's what they're going to rule out with them. They feel like the front seven is going to be able to mask that. And that's how they're building the team. They're building it really kind of from the inside out inside an offense with center tackles insight on defense with a bevy first round picks, and your linebackers, and then kind of going out from there, you really I think I think the defense it's very clear that it's built in Lynch's image. Right. He is he is very directly and he referred to it in the press conference, but he is referring back to his plane days. And you look at the best teams that he was on. It was the Tampa Bay team. And where were they best upfront, right? Right. And so that's the way that I think he very much believes is how you build winning defense is having a very very strong defensive line that can get home with four and be able to disrupt the quarterback. And I think that is obviously a very good thing. I think offenses aren't what they were. When those Tampa Bay teams, really good. And I think there there does need to be some judgements, and hopefully they will kind of see that they can't just ignore coverage. But yeah, it's I think very clearly built in in his image. What he wants that defense to look like so overall definitely positive for the Niners. They got some great value even late especially with that Tim Harris pick and their first couple of picks. I think we're going to be great prospects a couple of steps in the middle rounds. But you know, nobody's perfect. And now we get to make a wish puns I can say that name like I wish they would have taken another player with that pick something along those. I was waiting to see how long it would take you pull. Mitch wish now ski one high favorite tweets was for a second thought we drafted Mike was Ascii. That was pretty good. Let's talk some game of thrones. Because game of thrones was a great episode. And we've got some time here on the back of the episode. If you haven't seen the battle of winter fell just stop right now. Thank you for tuning in follow me on Twitter at better arrivals, David Rosenthal. You it's going to be happy f f underscore, David. And as always going cool game of thrones battle of winter fell. Gimme your thoughts. Go I think as an episode like just kind of self contained. It was fantastic. Wasn't right. Hop five episode or a top four episode. Loaded question. I mean, it was I'd have to think about it a little bit more. It was it was up there. I'm fine. Putting it other loaded as a horrid author Accu running into the night, just disappear. And man that was honestly that scene with the doth Raqi and all of their lights all their swords. And they just run out. I'm like, okay. First of all stupid move running your cavalry right into an unseen army of the dead. But whatever we gotta get rid of them. Somehow, John John I just want to throw this out there. John as a as a battle commander is the guy who is like the head coach who's five zero win close games. But has like a Pythagorean win percentage to fifty like he should be one in four maybe best in these scenarios, but it's all worked out, and he's five now, you know. You know? It's just like he does some dumb shit sometime. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But yeah. But then the the moment that the lights started extinguishing. I was like oh, man. Like that. That was I knew I was totally in at that moment. I mean, it starts with one shot or aware. The fuck is ghost. Don't give me goes like running out there, and then just disappear in for the rest of how the last four episodes here. What you're CGI budget is budget on jaw-dropping dragons, literally jaw dropping dragons blue fire coming out of his neck when it got time for ghost to go. Whatever I didn't hear here. Ghost hate ghost. Is is fucking legit. All right. Yeah. Huge fan John there. John shouldn't be anywhere without ghosts. That's how that shit works. Yeah. I'm going to drag him at school. But so you get to the the battle and the battle tactically was an absolute mess. The this is in a bad thing about the episode. I still very much enjoyed the episode. But whoa, man, putting your. Siege. Weapons in front of the walls and your army. Yeah. Totally creating natural chokepoints with the and I don't even know what they're called. But the spikes that they had to prevent the all the white walkers from getting to the walls. All you did was create joke points for your for your people to walk through. It's like did you not learn anything from the battle of Thermopylae three hundred yet again, John questionable decisions is a battle commander. Yeah. I think I mean, everything in the episode was was great, right? The aria moment was great. I think it's just I'm a little frustrated with the idea that the night king that was it the big like, so this is the threat that's been set up from the first scene of the first episode, the prologue of the first book, this is the threat, and you're gonna tell me all ends with him coming down from the wall. Okay. Cool. We blow through an abandoned wall. Whatever we go down to last hearth mop up. Whatever remains there as they're trying to get the fuck out. And then we're going to blow a twenty eight three lead it when it fell like, that's that's all that's all. We're getting from the the threat that threatens to extinguish humanity the long face of the fucking earth. He's going to blow a twenty eight three lead in his first real game action here like. Come on. And like setting up, sir. C to be like the final big bad is just bullshit Sirsi should have been fucking dead a long time ago. I don't dislike the idea of, sir. She as the head boss lady. I think at least for me the palace intrigue, and what's been happening with in the Lancasters and even back to the brat themes that part's always been more interesting to me because the night king as a villain was so poorly developed, right? That's that's part of it is they just the whole thing with the night king and setting story up. They didn't do a great job. This is why Brennan Nike and was such a popular theory. Because I think fans everywhere we're like the there has to be more to this. There has to be more to him and this exit essential threat. And so getting rid of them. I think is the move you have to make because unless you're going to spend another twenty thirty minutes telling us more about him and his backstory, which they should have and could end on two episodes, even if you're going to. Yeah. I mean, they could have done it way earlier, obviously. But if you're gonna if you're gonna push last minute good, plenty of time in these first. Episodes when you're basically just chilling. It winter fell getting ready to die. My favorite moment, though, was the moment between Tyrian and Santa when they're in the crypts, and they're hiding behind one of the big coffins, and they just kind of look at each other and hold each other's hands. And just I felt like that moment was double suicide. Oh, yeah. I thought that they were going to go out in a blaze of glory, man. And it was everything I loved about that show because I think from a visual, storytelling perspective, they said and communicated everything with images, they didn't really have to say anything, and you felt immediately like oh, man. She just told him that he was the best of them, and you think of her, and, you know, getting raped and going through the hard shit that she's had to go through and Tyrian going through that and always feel on the key was never good enough. And they were gonna go out guns blazing. And that moment just I welled up a little bit because I was like, oh, yeah, man. And I thought they would I thought they were absolute toast. And again, the the crypts thing was the payoff was not as good there. They know they what are you? Are you in the I wanted more people to die camp? Like, I one hundred percent more people should have died again. This is people died. But, but are you disappointed that a lot of the main characters survived like, Jaime and Brienne and pod? They're all still there. Right. I think that's. In San reasonable for them literally got in a giant beanbag chair of dead bodies. And started stabbing one. Does like yeah. I mean Sam should have been eaten up at like three or four different points. Probably. Yeah. I think getting that many major characters through this battle is like a little a little iffy. I think so, but I don't I don't really care that much. I think people were expecting there to be a lot of deaths because they were expect because they were raised and weaned on everything that game of thrones was and it was very subversive in the we're gonna kill all your main characters. And so everyone saw this is a point to kind of coal the herd and get the kind of the superfluous characters out and really narrow it in for the last three episodes. But when and this was something they mentioned on the watch podcast from the ringer. They said when was the last time that a major character died unexpectedly and it was really season four with the viper. Jeff. And that was when they were still very much humming based on the book stories, and I think it's a great point that they raise up where it's like. Yeah. That was the last time, and I think we've all been writing off that high. For a long time. But it's been pretty traditional television for the last couple of seasons from once they ran out of book, they had, you know, basically a stretch there where they did a bunch of book payoff stuff things that they knew were were likely coming. And then since then yet, it's been you know, I think there's been some questionable things I think again, they shortened did a lot. But yeah, I think the just the idea that like, sir Syed doesn't have to get any shit from like like she should have been had to see that fucking army of the dead come to king's landing wreck shop there. I don't know how because I thought that they were going to lose this battle and eventually win whatever war, but lose this individual battle and retreat some house to king's landing iron islands or something. Like that given the way that battle played out. I have no idea how they would have retreated like, and I think you said it, right? Get everyone on the dragons which. Yeah. I mean that was basically I think the only way they could have done it, which was essentially like, okay. We're going to get the main whatever main characters we've got left on the back of the two dragons and just get out in bail, and maybe some escape through kind of some secret passages and the crypts and like they maybe pop up later on or something like that. But yeah, it was going to be like not a lot of people make it out of this. They gotta go back to king's landing. Like, I wonder like 'cause we we have the scene from the throne room in king's landing that looks like what combination ash snow, not really not really sure. Like are we going to get that? Like what how how's that going to happen? Like, I thought that would be something that nuclear nuclear war develops a nuclear bomb. Sure. I mean also can't rule it out with only three episodes left. You know, spend a lot of times on that went up that that's going to be the end. It's just gonna cut to black just like the sopranos gun. But yeah, again episode was great. I initially like had a little bit issue with aria being the one facility thought through it. I was like all right. This was at least something that was set up much earlier on it wasn't kind of. They had known that. This was going to be how they wanted to do it. And so I can appreciate that a little bit. I'm. There was pay off. And she. Yeah. I mean, obviously training to be an assassin for a while. And I think she when you think of how they were fighting you have I mean, basically most everyone was just hacking and slashing she was actually fighting in a very visually interesting way. I mean, we saw her with a a staff we saw with a spear with a dagger. So EROs we saw with basically any weapon a blade that she puts in some poor personal shit, man. Oh, man. That was that was gross like the blood blood vomit stuff. Oh, yeah. No. I mean that was I mean, she was awesome. I have no whatsoever. And I have no problem with the like, oh Where'd she come from? It's like don't care. She can literally wear other people's faces. Yeah. I think fine. I think. Yeah. It makes it makes sense that if you know kind of had to be something that was sneaky. She was clearly like the sneaky one that was going to potentially do something like that. Yeah. I didn't think it like I never really thought that it was going to be like, John. Or something like that would have been. I actually would have been a little disappointed had been John because it would have been like. Okay. Here we go. John fucking does everything. Right. Like, it's. Yeah. It was a little trite like Brian isn't doing shit. I know. Yeah. I again, only man. I don't know only thing I can think of that only thing I can think of and this is kinda my my final thought on it is I the only thing that will help salvage him as a character is if he does a little work next episode. And if he was working and doing something more when he was just kicking it under the tree. Yeah. He was just like chilling like I'm gonna come in and rose. I also one thing that I thought we were going to get pay off on that. I'm really surprised that we didn't. This was something that Jason Concepcion from the ringer brought up which was basically you had that scene from the previous episode where Tyrian goes up to brand kind of after they break from the the kind of the battle plan meeting that they were having their and everybody else leaves and Tyrian stays there. And and basically is like tell me your journey like tell me what happened. You gotta think to set that scene up that has to have a purpose. Right. That had to have a payoff. You can't like you spent the time just from a peer production standpoint, you spent the time to get everybody there to shoot that scene to have that moment happen, and you're just going to leave it, and we just assume they had a nice chat for like an hour or two and we never hear from that. Again, like that seems like a strange decision. Like, I thought we were going to get something there that like he told like he's been going back. Maybe went back and saw how the long line into the first time, and he gave Tyrian some information that was going to help. Or, you know, something that was going to help them in their cause at day. And then it was just like now doesn't matter. All right favorite death. Of like favorite in what way whatever whatever you're feeling. I mean Giora went out how Joris should've went out. Oh, yeah. For sure I think that's that was a good one for sure. I'm glad that theon. He's finally done. I'm over. Yeah. Yeah. For that story died valiantly. He was thanked before he's self sacrificed. Yeah. I mean, he it was such a such a dumb like I'm just going to plunge in here like knowing that you're going to die. I mean, obviously he was going to die regardless. Did it? It was just hilarious seen him. I asked that question. I was like if I I thought in that moment. I was like all right. I'm about to die. I know this. What like how do I choose to go? Like, do I self immolate at this point? I just set myself on fire, and but like laid them on the phone because I'm out like or do I rush in just like, the I I don't know what I'm glad I never have to think about that more than the thirty seconds. That flashed in my mind and then episode, correct? But all right. So we've got three episodes left all hour and a half, long episodes. And it'll be interesting. I don't know that we'll do, you know, fifteen minutes at the end of every show when it goes on. This was this was I think overall it was one of the best episodes of the entire series. I think as a movie, which is what it was. Yeah. It was a very very good movie. And I thought that the directors did a good job. Even if they probably need a new colorist to lighten up the shots a little bit. I don't know I'm fine with that John last parting, John you're going to yell at a dragon man, I'm gonna sit there and fucking just yell at that dragon again, John John five five no five. No. But that by Thackery and win percentage is not great at John. Good the Pythagorean king. Yeah. I love it. Oh, man. Well, there it is. Thanks again for tuning in. And if you've gotten this far, thanks again for staying all the way to the end as loyalists Nur's often do so thanks again. And as always go Niners. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny, we combined. We form the shutdown full Tron keep telling you, we're not from this forecast is technically a college football podcast. But it's also a show about won't care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being drafted a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having used contracts coaches making terrible decisions or coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. 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He's on the course right now this across the river from where we sit does he have a run in them as he finishes the season that began with a bang all that more as we thank you for being with us live from new york and i'd take a look at this group of football acumen assembled around me this morning and i am just excited as could be acho is here jeremy fowler made his way with all the insight in the world as we are now twenty nine days and counting away from the start of the national football league season and and we begin today's we do just about every day with the latest on the ezekiel elliott holdout it continues yesterday. Josefina reported zeke is willing to miss regular season games if he he does not get deal. He wants boys executive v._p. And c._e._o. Steven jones spoke yesterday about the contract situation. I think you could easily get out of oxnard and be back in dallas before anything gets done matter of fact. I don't see any momentum. That would lead me to believe that we're going to get anything done while we're out here. I i don't want to get into what we've offered but we've been very generous with our offer and like i said it's not that we don't want what these guys to have their money. We want to be happy with their contract but they also some point. They gotta get their hands around. You know we're not saving this money for for the jones family. We're we're dividing up the pie and it's jillian us final. Call all to decide who gets what so interesting. That's what stephen jones said so. Let's let jeremy fowler have the first word on this jeremy. What are we hearing about. The latest on this contract contract situation walgreens ezekiel and the dallas cowboys have exchanged contract proposals. I'm told that has happened in recent days but here's the issue greenie. There is a sizable gap in money. One source told me they are not even in the same zip code right now the running back market the top of his thirteen to fifteen million dollars zeke swinging for the upper deck here make no mistake about it but though he is prepared to miss games he doesn't want that he's in kabo. He's one hundred percent healthy ready to go the cowboys. I don't want that so they're negotiating respectfully trying to get something done aired. Stephen jones say he thinks it could get out of oxnard. That's where the team is jeremy. Stay with me there. We'll come back to you in a minute. Let me take they get to the table and i feel like we've been talking about this basically every single day r._c. Let me put the question this way clearly right now. This isn't a significant problem. He's running back. He knows the offense the align everything else. At what point does this start to become an issue that will affect the regular season when it gets to the regular season when this is a guy who's not available will for your team and he's the best player not only on this offense but he's the bill the makes the entire team go the entire organization rest on the legs of ezekiel elliott and when i listen listen to stephen jones. Here's what i hear a. We're not like mcdonald's right. We're not trying to hoard the catch up. We're not gonna make you pay ettore sauce for your nuggets in keep it all for ourselves. We want to keep you want to keep that we wanna keep amari cooper and we want you all to be happy veep. We just can't do that by making highest paid running back into league. Here's where i disagree. I think it does matter now. I hope zeke gets back sooner because when you look at the two thousand eleven lockout counting the n._f._l. When players weren't for o._t._a.'s report the injury rate went up by seventeen percent. What i mean is training in kabul was way different than being on the practice field. There is nothing like football conditioning. There's nothing like football shape so i understand what zeke is doing and what he has to do but it may pay negative dividends in the future just because his body may not be exactly where it needs to be timing on this thing is obviously incredibly important. We'll see how long this continuous meanwhile. He's not the only running back who is currently not in camp with his team. Let's take the los angeles. Chargers chargers running back. Melvin gordon also continues to hold out of training camp his agent. Maria's bilbo requested a trade but was not given permission to seek peak trade partners by the team that again according to our josina anderson and so let me bring jeremy fowler back into the conversation there jeremy. What is the latest. We're hearing about gordon. The charters are willing to pay melvin gordon at about ten million dollars a year. That's been the range but gordon wants to be with the big boys levy on bill david johnson that market starts at thirteen million dollars colors so much so the gordon his representation has offered a contract that includes some incentives to try to bridge that gap. The chargers have been unwilling to do that. They won't all budget and so. That's what gordon's feeling a little unsettled right now. I'm told all options are on the table. Including a potential hold up into the mid season range week eight or week nine just just in time to get back make sure his contract doesn't toll and he gets one more year toward free agency now so we've got the possibility of a trade with the possibility of a lengthy holdout. We always have the possibility the deal getting done. Let's take it back here because we use the word disrespect sometimes in this and that always sets off bells in my head because once you allow motion to get into the process where emotion really does not belong. We got trouble well. You know it's all disrespect in negotiations until somebody else shows you that it's true right when you're dealing with your team team and you feel like they should feel a certain way about the services provided for them and they don't wanna give you the money that you want. You feel like that's disrespectful like for. Why don't you value me. Why won't you work with me and this because his business and if you look at melvin gordon compared to the david johnson compared to the levee out bills compared to the todd girly heat tied girlies. He's a step below those guys and if you are they're going to try to pay you at that. Pre we don't know. I don't know the intricacies behind the exact exact offer but ryan hit the nail on the head businesses business in the n._f._l. I remember i got one time by the eagles and that was all sad about it. My coach told me is not if if we don't love you find out if somebody else is gonna sign while looked around on the left i look right. I didn't get signed on the eagles brought me right back and he said okay then very similar with melvin gordon. It's not that the chargers don't love him but you have to look at the numbers. He is a notch below. The girlies notch below the healthy david johnson's those types and it seems like they're trying to pay him accordingly. He's a bad man but but just keep everything in perspective also went four and they also went four now and the i'm sorry what did you say house. Demanding point melvin gordon's cool if if they don't want to pay him thirteen. I'm forty million a year. He's totally fine with that. His issue is send me somewhere else. Trae me to a team that will value me at that number and charge won't budge on that. That's sort of why don't settle i think yeah i think that's the thing like teams are in the business of trying to get rid of good players while they could still have you like that's the way the business is run and because of the contract attract because that you were still under contract they know exactly so that gained the n._b._a. Yet there's no bills around here. Yes the you can request the trade and you get dealt. We've seen that in the last two or three years but in football the owners still running. You're getting ahead of ourselves rich paul. We'll get to that meanwhile we have to get to green bay because is this is an interesting storyline. Packers camp another example of aaron rogers and his new head coach matt leflore not agreeing on something now. This one is a little different from what we've been talking about yesterday. Both men were asked about the joint practice sessions. The team has had this week with the houston texans. They had very different replies knowing it under the restaurant again. I wouldn't mind if they didn't go for another fourteen years for company. That's out of my control on california. That kind of be bombed out another city. You bring your team in understand the point of it. I don't think they would live special. Teams are very very smart. I think you get a lotta good workout it out of it and you know as long as you can keep. Everybody's temper in check and not let it escalate to to skirmishes. I think there's a lot of good work that can be had. These guys can't agree on anything. Obviously this is not the same kind of disagreement that we've been talking about but it is an example of what you said to to me the other day. I'll show which is that the coaches love. This stuff and the players hate it. We talked about this two days ago. The players hate it because ryan and i discussing we all said pre show. You don't the temple when you're going against other guys. Ryan and i are on the same team. We know. I'm going to jog down on kickoff for bud each other up a little bit. You know we'll wrestle a little bit and then co the whistle. You're going against another team. They're trying to take your head off greenie. I cannot overstate how serious they are about letting you know they're trying to win. That's the different oh absolutely and i understand both sides of this. If you're an aaron rodgers and your establish in this league this isn't something you want to do. You don't wanna see your tied right in going across the middle getting cross by blindsided hits but it's the undrafted free agent right. If you're the guy that's trying to make the team. I chose exactly right when i i look across at him. I don't have the same feeling for the dude. That's my roommate or for the guy that i'm in the same meeting rooms with and when you get out there it's going to be feast or famine because they're gonna kill you or you're going to kill them. It's dimmer me and it's not going to be in the the kicker are see as you said. You never know if you're going against the other teams undrafted free agent your who got a family to feed. You never know what he has on his mind. When you're going against your own t make exactly the boat. He's in you know the position he's in and he has respect for you want to get somebody feels different. This is a reaction in many ways. The team's doing this to the changes in the collective bargaining agreement right. They don't have the same number practices to a day's padded practices etc so the coaches which is like to use these as opportunities could they ultimately replaced preseason games. The commissioner keeps talking about getting rid of preseason games. Maybe get similar work from the thing is this though they're not replacing preseason games now. What they're doing is replacing extra practice life used to be. You got two times a day to see guys in pets and see them compete. You don't don't get that anymore. So now you have these presses against other teams you get the guys adjust on roy you get to see you guys understand the playbook and you also get to watch them compete against it's a different level of competition yet but what i'm saying is if they were to do away with two preseason games. The coaches will say well. We can't look at judge the back end of our roster. Maybe adding more more of these is where you will get a look but if you look at a team like the los angeles rams. They've added all the times that they can get going against oakland. They've gone against the los loss angeles chargers and while i was there in off season they say they even tried to get it together with the houston texans later on in the preseason so teams already moving to this for for evolves over the preseason gains anyway and lastly. I have to kill off the misconception that the back end of the roster and the for the most part eighty five to ninety percent of the roster greenie is all ready decided six cam. I was that free agent kind of guy. I was a late round. Pick it for the most part decided not to me worth the risk all right. We have much more football as we go as you can probably imagine but let's right now. Get up and go which is brought to you by relaxing. The begins with more football bad news for the cowboys. Robert quinn fractured his hand gene in one on one drills. Yesterday is out for the preseason. He will have surgery. Stephen jones did however say he expects him back in time for the start of the season so we always keep an eye on these injuries in preseason. There's one next baseball mariner second baseman. Tim beckham suspended eighty games for taking a performance enhancing substance. He said quote. I was given a product from a trusted source would advise me. It was safe to take regrettably. The product was tainted again. Suspended eighty games for p._d.'s adi's more baseball for the second time in three days the yankees gleyber torres had deleted game early due to what's being described now as pain in his core he left in the third inning of eventual yankees win over the orioles manager aaron boone said towards going back to new york for more tests as this is yet another scare in what has become a season full of injuries for for the yankees will have marked to share with thoughts on that about an hour from now live here on get up. Maybe he'll also chime in on this. The debut astros fans have been anticipating ever since the trade deadline. Last night happened in houston. Zach cranky is first appearance as an astro did not have as best gave up five earned in six innings got eleven runs from his offense that when they wanted eleven to six with the wind he's now eleven and four with a three zero eight e._r._a. In twenty four starts this year and then as brian sort sort of touched on interesting news out of the n._c. Double is they released a memo to agents outlining new policies for agents to represent players to wanna test their place in the n._b._a. B._a. Draft and one of those rules requires agents to have a bachelor's degree prompted reaction from a lot of parties. Yesterday it is being so widely described described as the rich paul rule rich. Paul has become a very powerful agent around basketball and does not have a bachelor's degree lebron. James was among those who reacted he tweeted. I hashtag the rich paul rule and then he added can't stop won't stop. They big madden scared. Nothing will stop this movement and culture over here. Sorry not sorry the liver that perfect. That's exactly how it sounded. When it won't stop they big mad. They are big mad if we can get by for just one moment my delivery of what he said which i grant you was probably ridiculous and yet accurate. Let's get let's get to what it actually actually is. I've seen this described in a lot of different ways including as a bad look for the n._c. Double a. who again now mandated to be clear this is for players who want to to find out where they might fall in the draft situation and still retain their eligibility and the right to go back the n._c._w. Can control that circumstance and they've decided someone like like rich. Paul cannot represent those guys. What was your reaction when you saw this is just the misguided rule right and it's another time the n._c._w._a. Does something to me that hurts players more than hurting agents more than hurting the n._b._a. Not giving these guys the opportunity to see the type of advice or seat the type of representation that can help them through this process regardless of a bachelor's degree regardless of being part of the n._b._a. or being confirmed by the n._b._a. For three years there's so so many opportunities that kids are going to miss to be around good people who understand the game of basketball and winning in the game of basketball on and off the court because because the n._c. Double a. wants to quote unquote protect an athlete client. That's not what they are. All it is is the aa trying to throw its weight back around. That's exactly actually what does the n._c._w._a. Missed and football a few years back when they said oh. We won't have any more days but guess what you'll have another week of practice. That was a swing and a miss. This is another swing and a miss. If if you wanna protect the athletes take different routes besides mandating the education requirements of an aging that just to me doesn't make sense winging and also to do it is such a blatant a blatant reason for would rue blatant reaction to one guy who whether you feel like he's qualified or not starting to make moves starting to throw around his way in a way that now steve kerr in coaches are complaining the n._b._a. Now has a problem the these players have too too much control and he's been controlled by one age the thing about it to me also rules come into play because there's a problem that's typically why you instill and install the rule. There hasn't hasn't been some sort of glaring issue to mandate this rule n._c. Double a. turn your attention elsewhere to something problem is day winning the battle rubble there. There are a lot of people who have a problem with it and all of those who rich paul has upset the apple cart in the in the business <hes>. We're going well beyond just the n._c. Double a. and there are people who i think lebron james had exactly right whether i said it exactly the way he meant it or not. I think he had it exactly right. This is the rich paul rule. It is a bad look. He has he has taken a position of of unusual power within the league and the sport and i think it is making a lot of people uncomfortable. I understand the reaction lebron. Many other athletes had to this yesterday yesterday. We'll have more on this as we go. Meanwhile the biggest superstar maybe in the entire world. That's words is directly across that river behind us. He is alive on the golf course this morning at liberty thirty national in jersey city. He teed off within the last hour in the northern trust pro-am. He will participate in the northern trust open this weekend. The first event of the fedex cup playoffs lucas strolling with them. Look at michael collins just straw happen. That's how you wear. Polo baby is that. Did you mean tiger mytalk. Uh-huh tell you you might remember his last start in the playoffs was last year and his epic win at the twenty tour championship that sort of set the stage for his win at the masters this year that win moved him into a tie with rory mcilroy dustin johnson for the most wins during the playoff since they debuted which was in two thousand seven. The three repairs are combined for a twenty five percent of the playoff events contested today and we're going to show you live pictures right now. Tiger woods as he is on the course and we will bring michael collins into the conversation because michael as you saw there has been following tiger around liberty national this morning good morning michael collins. What have you seen. How is tiger looking this morning. You see tiger walking off right now but he told me before he said <hes> oh here. We would have been around this morning what i said. What should i tell everybody he goes. Tell him i'm on the t. but he was supposed to be on t. at seven and there was a delay so he didn't get out on the t. till seven thirty so he was lying about seeing on the t. Here's what i've seen for tigers so far today. It's as simple as this. <hes> it is a pro-am there are three guys playing with it from the northern trust and and it's been just like this when it comes down to it. He's been hitting the ball pretty good. Yesterday he played a practice round with brooks kapka dustin johnson and <unk> harold varner the third and they had a lot of fun out there. Those guys play ten holes tiger hit a pretty good. The funny story was sarah varna. The third started the day and said i'm just gonna hit it by tiger. So you're like a iron pipe and tiger said i'm a hammer and hammer beats pipe. Every time and varner never hit a pass them. He thought he did want and said. I got you on that one. I got you on now and i've been working out and harrow garner that there's caddy do him under the bus and said man. You worked out two days. Which of course it does. The johnson brooks let a couple ago and when they let their drives go even how varner that there was a. I think they got both of tiger. I think they gotta pass this so far tigers. There's just hit it okay. He hasn't hit spectacular to be honest with you because there was a delay. The range was opened late. So tiger looks a little bit stiff like he hasn't gone through his full warmup warmup routine. He said a couple balls left. Enwright came up short with an iron shot from the middle of the fairway so it looks like he's just slowly but surely trying to get warmed up but that's what pro-am i am days four right yeah super-quick michael. You've been white on with us when we had you on before the british open and we drowned before the p._j. Both times you said don't expect much from him. Give me a rundown here. What do we expect from him in these playoffs this well let me start. Let's just start with this week. It's real easy for this week my prediction for tiger this week he's gonna fall fall outside the top ten but i think he can be inside the top twenty five and the reason that i say that is because the forecast for this week is for temperatures to be in the mid eighties every single day which means tiger won't have trouble warming his back up and it also means. You don't have to worry about getting stiff during the rounds. Hopefully this'll be a good week for tiger. We'll be watching and we get these playoffs underway earlier than in years past as they have a new schedule on the p._g._a. Tour so well done michael enjoyed out there. Stay safe tigers coming at you and we will see you a little but later in the program his pen back adam. Thank you michael collins. We'll see in a little bit. Meanwhile coming up here. Can jalen hurts make it. A heisman has been hatrick at oklahoma. At least one of our analysts has big concerns about that team for this coming year we will check in retailer his there and we'll the rams suffering super bowl hangover and how about the team that beat them any controversial and have seen championship game. You've got questions. We've got answers. It get up on e._s._p._n. I get up is brought to you by advil. You'll ask what pain with advil and by t. t- mobile now connecting ninety nine percent of americans t. mobile america's network guys see this my favorite athlete of all time right. This second is baker baker mayfield he spent time after practice was over yesterday signing autographs and after they even said the autograph session was over he stayed out there and signed autographs and took pictures with with every military member who was in attendance long after the allocated time sometimes it is the simplest acts like these that can make the biggest difference well done. Baker mayfield any field meanwhile speaking of him. He was one of the last two heisman winners right so he won the heisman playing it oklahoma and then collar murray won the heisman playing it oklahoma and here here. Is this morning's trivia question true or false. The heisman trophy winner has never tailed from the same program in three straight years pretty simple question. The the answer is next. You're watching guetta on e._s._p._n. Jeremy geico presents. Thanks another voicemail from your roommate shepard me. Hey a piper in the basement completely flooded anyway. I call for someone to fix it but in the meantime i was thinking the league finally have that indoor pool party. We always wanted i got some cooler swan floaty things already go and could you pick up some chips on your home later. 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Has it ever happened for true or false. It hasn't happened before so that means. This question would be true and guess what you had a fifty fifty shot and you got it right. There have been four previous instances where the heisman came from the same school in two consecutive years. It has never come from the same place three straight years with jeremy followers on the show we will have maria taylor live from norman and just a few minutes meanwhile right now. Let's get back to the n._f._l. Because right now on e._s._p._n. Dot com our bill. Barnwell has an article in which he predicts the five n._f._l. Teams he thinks will decline this coming year meaning their record. This season will be worse than it was was a year ago ryan. I will list those teams and you tell me if you agree or disagree. This team is going to be worse. We start with dallas. They won ten games last year. Will they decline. They will not decline so i disagree right here because i think they'll be about the same there will be attending sixteen. Amari cooper has another year to work with deck prescott. We saw with that. A defense could do last year but this is all contingent owned zeke elliott being in the lineup ezekiel elliott either getting a deal done or showing up because this offense runs runs through him but amari cooper and dak prescott worked well toward the end of the season because they knew they had the play action pass from hezekiah elliott defense that was running sideline. The sideline knocking heads off for what it's worth i agree with you disagree with the premise how about this the saints thirteen and three will decline. I agree that they would decline listen. It doesn't mean that the saints are going to be big to win thirteen games as a very difficult thing to do but now alvin kamara is by himself. Even though you pick up murray the mark ingram album chimera is no more you look late in the season drew brees you can see that arm being a little awesome throws not having the velocity on the ball and when you lose to minnesota the way you did in los angeles the way you did in the last two years off the time takes its toll on here's the other los angeles team chargers they twelve and four will they decline. They absolutely will decline and it doesn't mean that this team won't be good but if you watched him down the stretch last season when they finished against the new wieland patriots philip rivers looked like he didn't know what was going on for a veteran quarterback and the way that the defense was torched both on the run and the past this team was was one game away from representing the a._f._c. west as the division champion. They won't be there this year and then we'll see if they're able to gordon camp next up the dolphins who were seven and nine. Do you agree. They will decline any team that has a quarterback controversy or competition were ryan fitzpatrick this point of his career. He's the guy you know that they're in trouble. Josh rosen and you can't even list them as one eight in one b. We saw the quarterback carousel in tampa bay. I looked for this to to be very similar brian floor raising your coming over from bill belichick coaching tree. It's very hard to instill discipline and that organization in in year one they'll struggle and finally your favorite team the rams they were thirteen and three. Do you agree. They will decline watch how i say something good while agreeing with this so mcvay he is a genus so mcveigh understands and he knows he needs todd gurley at the end of the season and eleven and five fifteen within healthy unhealthy todd gurley is better than thirteen and three team without show mcveigh will understand that he won't run him into the ground. They'll make sure they win. The games. They need could be there present with an opportunity to represent the n._f._c. in a super bowl. That's outstanding. I love that you were able to argue both sides of the argument saying that facetiously well done. It's a very very good piece bill barnwell on e._s._p._n. Dot com check it out. Meanwhile more football. Let's talk about one of our seas. Former teams no bigger offseason storylines for the steelers of course then the loss of a._b. Bell duo accumulated the second most scrimmage yards miami duo in their first five seasons as teammates only marshall faulk torry holt ever ever had been rothlisburger is the last standing killer bees. He's got a two year extension. He led the league in passing yards and interceptions last year then a very good draft. They got that guy among another devin bush tenth overall the team's first top ten defensive selection since rod woodson in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven that obviously turned out very well so after all of that our football power index gives the steelers a forty six percent chance to make the playoffs sounds like a fairly low number to me. Mike tomlin has missed the playoffs in consecutive ears just once in his tenure steelers head coach they of course did not make it last year in germany. You have been around the steelers as much as literally anyone over the last few years so what makes this. This year's camp different from recent sees. It is quiet. I sense relief. I mean for six to eight months. All they heard was when bell coming back. What's the deal with antonio. Brown is is there you know issues in the locker room and so right now they're saying hey we got our edge back. We can focus solely on football. It's very quiet. It's boring around there at saint vincent college which is exactly what what they want and ben rothlisberger saying all the right things that it's going to be hard to replace antonio brown but make no mistake privately. This is a guy who wants to get it done knows the onus is directly on him him and he wants to show the steelers but he can do how much pressure has an excellent question. They posed on the screen. How much pressure do you believe is on ben rothlisberger r._c. With all the things that have happened around him. I believe all the pressure is on rosberg. This is the guy who's a future hall of famer. He's a two time superbowl champion but a lot of chatter coming out of pittsburgh ather antonio tony o'brien left when levy on bell left was about being leadership about bins relationship with the team. No one is questioning whether or not been rothlisburger can't play football. They're they're questioning whether or not he can lead and he will have to lead this team of young players in a team that doesn't have the stars outside of him so it's going to be on the the right guy in the locker room also the right guy on the field and we just talked about the almost unprecedented production that they are trying to replace but it does beg the question. Steelers are an organization organization about winning championships. They never won with levy on bell and brown together with ben. Does that feel like a bit of a disappointment to you. It is a disappointment right you think when you have guys who are that that prolific actually historic you believe that you should have capitalized on that but it was levian bells health it was also this defense not being able to to hold leads or hold jacksonville jaguars who couldn't score points two years ago under forty and so now you go out and get devon bush early in the draft. You get justin lane in the third round. Who's a guy that could be opposite of joe haden. You're expecting too young safeties better. This team is trying to be built great down the middle again and and it has to be a return of the steel curtain to kinda help you with the loss of levy on bill in antonio brown two thousand seventeen they dropped the ball because they had those three healthy and jacksonville bloom out of the building forty forty two in the playoffs but since then they've learned from that i have seen change just ben rothlisberger has tried to relate teammates more to several players who said he has been on point this offseason trying to talk to guys be more of a leader in that defense devon bushy mentioned him. You see the speed immediately out on that field. I think there will be several changes with this. It seems almost impossible to imagine imagine that addition by subtraction could apply to players as prolific and as great as antonio brown said was quiet. When i was a part of this organization it was about about football when you were at saint vincent's college. It was about being a better football team being a closer football team and coming together with one goal and that goal was to win the super bowl. Finally the pittsburgh steelers can get back to that all right. We'll do much more football as we go this morning. I'm choked up just the thought of it but right. Now let us run. The bases assist. Yesterday was my birthday. Today we say happy birthday to mike trout who turns twenty eight years old and celebrated a little early. He hit his thirtieth home run of the season last night. He's now just it's three away from his career high of forty one what an extraordinary player he is and we'll talk more about him and where he is in his career at this young age coming up shortly meanwhile meanwhile the cardinals are chasing down both the central leading cubs and a wildcard spot but they didn't get any help from clayton kershaw last night. Kershaw was terrific. One run in seven innings was he struck out nine. The dodgers still have ridiculously in the national league while the cardinals are two and a half out of the central and half a game back in the wildcard speaking of the national the league wildcard. How about the mets. They continue their hot streak. They've won five in a row. They've won twelve out of thirteen pete alonzo in the middle of all of it his thirty thirty six home run of the season that wheeler threw eight shutout innings a five nothing win for the mets yesterday as they continue to close in on the national league wild al card look at these wild card standings. The phillies lose to the diamondbacks for the mets are just a game and a half out of the second wildcard spot. They were seven games out during the all star break and there is still a lot of season left roughly fifty games remaining in the regular season for the teams in major league baseball on wednesday night tonight. You'll we'll get to see several of them. Two of the top sluggers in the national league on e._s._p._n. Christian yelich leading the brewers against josh bell the pirates in a series finale at p._n._c. park at seven seven eastern tonight on e._s._p._n. Gobbling up. We brought it up earlier. Can they make it a heisman hatrick. Enorm- can jalen hurts do something that no in college football program has ever done before. We're heading there live with maria taylor. Van and trevor are two of college football's biggest stars. Is it time for them to get paid it. One coach says yes that story next get on e._s._p._n. In <music> we're ready and we hope you are oklahoma in the spotlight right now on get up sooners coming oppa season in which they said an f._b._i. Reckon with eight point six yards. They led the nation in scoring. They led the nation in yards per game a year ago their offense power them to the college football playoff for the third time in five years. They're still the only big twelve school ever to reach the college. Playoff and the offense of course was led by kotler alert murray who became the second straight oklahoma quarterback to win. The heisman baker mayfield at one at the year before they both went number. One in the draft does well murray is gone but oh you found another another transfer and this time it's a name you know of course jalen hurts would love to make oklahoma the first school ever to win a heisman in three consecutive seasons seasons oh and look at the taylor road trip which is if you follow them on social. Media looks like it is much too much fun for anyone handle. We are joined now by maria taylor live in norman oklahoma oklahoma this morning and maria. Let's talk about jalen hurts for a moment because i know i have some disagreement on my set as to what the expectations are for him. What are the people inside the program saying about about his fit create. Expectations are high. Jalen hurts was forty one and three at alabama. He's still holds the record caressing rushing touchdowns at twenty three his skill set certainly fits what lincoln riley f- capable of what we've seen from coach riley is that he's going to take the strength of any quarterback that he works swick and build an offense around them. He's not afraid to make changes to make sure that his offense works but let's be clear. Lincoln riley has made it very obvious that he wants it to remain a quarterback competition until he deems his start an and i feel as though he wants to do that throughout camp whether it's a competitive advantage she doesn't want houston their first opponent to know exactly what was going to be taking the first snap <hes> but that's the decision that he's made and obviously that quarterback competition will breathe competitive nature and edge and no one right now is assuming that he will take the first snap but obviously that would be the expectation. That's the only one season here at oklahoma right and of course it's a it's a conference where people joke defense is somewhat optional. They have a new defensive coordinator in oklahoma this year. What are the expectations from their new d. Okay well. You can just go up right last season oklahoma one the hundred and second and total defense and alex is taken over now he can't from ohio state but what you need to know about him is what he did at washington state when he arrived there in ninety ninth in total defense offense by the time he left for ohio state they were sixteenth in total defense was the washington state team. We came to know and love and talk a lot about last season so those are the kind of turnarounds that he is expected begged to make and right now the words that is just about a mentality and a laser focus. They're building a lot of competition on the defensive side of the ball as well and obviously that new blood new mm sound sometimes and a locker room meeting room. We've seen it before in college football. How much of a difference that can make in one season and remember oklahoma scored more points on george alabama in there in the college football football player than anyone else that season so imagine if they had a defense to compliment that what it could mean for this team greenie absolutely so well done marie give holly high five keep having fun safe travels and we will see you when you get back here thank you. Thanks gaining all right. There's maria taylor with us. Let me bring in david pollock to the conversation looked areas. David pollick is with us. Acho choke is here and david. I want to start the conversation with you here. We heard a few thoughts on jalen hurts. What are your expectations for him. In his one year in norman lincoln riley right i mean lincoln riley we know is going to coach in get high production. I don't expect anything close to baker mayfield and what you saw from colin murray year they both had the ability to throw the ball down the field and do it at a high level and look sweet doing it. I mean they just and another thing to this oklahoma offense last year. Four guys on the office of line got drafted in the top five rounds and gals football so i think this offense will take a step backwards. I think jalen is a is a phenomenal runner. I think you'll you'll see him. Run the football a lot. I think they'll use the close passing game the quick game and if he develops throughout the season and his touch gets better you'll start to see more deep shots the cd land but this offense is not going to be near what you saw with colin murray and baker mayfield at that unstoppable lousy folic. Let's talk about this. Though do you think it's the scheme. Where do you think it's the players because we've seen this oklahoma offense do this for over a decade way into the early bob stoops years. I think it's kind of plug and chug obviously you're talking about alpha's and cuyler and baker but i don't really see much of a drop off with hurts at the helm plugging. I understand what you're saying but also the first two picks in the draft of the first picking the draft the last two years and their ability to throw the ball while moving and changing platforms with superhuman. That's not normal and remember when lincoln riley came. I'm back rejuvenated this offense taking a dip a little bit from from the past but i think those guys were special man. I think those guys don't get enough credit for what they were able to listen. Collar murray also had more juice than jalen hurts did running the football they like he couldn't just throw it. He also could run it as well so i just and again you're asking this insane. Pain level of productivity of five hundred plus yards and forty eight plus points a game to continue. I don't see that happening. I do think though what maria talked about as important understand understand. I think their defense will be better. I think it might look a little bit different this year but you're not gonna get the same level of production. You've got the last couple years with baker encounter. We talked this morning about the heisman hat trick. It's never happened before. Could it happen here. Do you think jalen hurd says a really good chance to win the heisman. I think it could happen because politicians disagree with you a little little bit. I think the oklahoma offense is really what moves the system. I think you have cuyler who was a freak. Athletically you have baker who started off at tech and then really ascended when he got to <hes> oklahoma but jalen hurts we remember twenty six and two of the starter went in and one that when it won that championship game against georgia. I don't know if people give him enough credit because because he also has the championship pedigree he's not only been there like the sooners have he's been there and been on teams that have won the big one. I think he might take them over the hump and if he does that you you have to put them in the heisman race david. I hear what you're saying. I understand that would give you the reason for him to win the heisman but the numbers aren't. I don't think the numbers will be as gotti as we've seen in the past two. You're going to get to and trevor lawrence for starters. That's too that we know are going to be there and put up stupid ridiculous number so i i think he'll be a a guy that will be in the conversation but i i also think that losing four offensive linemen up front they got drafted the national football league. We'll take a toll. I think that it's it's gonna take time to develop not only not only jalen going to have to get used to this system. It's going to take the offensive line time to get used to playing real college football that they haven't had to do. The past passed several years so i'm not i'm not as gun hose you but i i like. I like your enthusiasm all right. David stay with us. We're going to get back to you a little later in the program. We'll do some more college football and other issues so thank you very much again. We'll come back to david pollack but i wanted to bring this up here and i want to get our seebeck in on it as well. Randy edsall is the head football coach at uconn as he he prepares to lead them into another season. He made a very interesting statement about we're college. Football is and what the definition of student athlete really means. This is what he said that bear in mind. This is the head coach at a division program. He said the n._c. Double a. They run these commercials about student athletes. It ain't a student anymore. It's just athlete. We've started to get senators. Congressman commend involved. I think it's inevitable at some point in time when it is. I don't believe i know but i really believe it's going to happen. The it's talking about is paying college college athletes. You guys were both very very good college athletes and obviously went on and play professionally but what do you think of a big time college coach at a major program saying this this is coming. I think it's about time i think it's about time that they get some of those coaches behind them. Obviously players have already tried to start building. Some hype behind on this players have already tried to get this done. Former players have gotten involved in spoken out but we never had a coach say at a division one type program now now if we had a bigger say right if there's more coaches that can follow the statement. I believe that it helps the players but i'm around a lot of these young people a lot of at the time and there's so much to do there so many things that they have and so many responsibility placed on them as football as basketball as all of these. These things are concerned that it isn't just student athlete. It's almost professional athlete and you have to perform in the classrooms as well right. I'm gonna take it a step further and say n._c. Aa lay stop the ingredient. That's what it comes down to stop being greedy. I look at daboh. He's making ninety three million dollars over ten years. I look at jim harbaugh what he has to take his team to rome to france to to south africa just paid the players as simple as that. You have a talk greeny. You have players at texas. They would make more than six hundred thousand dollars if they were play. I paid players at alabama would make over five hundred thousand dollars a year and it's not just the top programs on average business. Insider says one hundred twenty nine thousand would be what the average college football player would be making. That's it's more than a scholarship. That's more than a scholarship. Check them. Can you also very quickly without necessarily using any names. Tell the story that you told me this morning of what coaches would sometimes say to you when you were a place like so when i was a player culture pulled me off to the side like man i wish i could play like i'm all for paying the players and that sounds good in privacy of a meeting but you need a coach a stand on a podium step in front of cameras and say you know what y'all do deserve some money because they do. I mean ninety three mill green but you know what though it's exactly like we talk about with these contracts situations and to have a coach comes to you in a meeting and say i believe you're worth this is different than standing on the table for you and saying this player deserve first this amount of money and they need coaches step up for these kids. Don't understand there are some intricacies to it because not every sport is a revenue earning sports specifically football basketball and there's some programs baseball understand title nine does play a factor. I'm not being ignorant to that aspect but let's have the conversation. That's all i. I've said many times. I think paying players ears salary is a very complicated endeavor. I think that releasing some of the other constraints amateurism as we know them name likenesses that sort of thing is a no brainer. I can't believe it's been allowed this long. That's the first one that i think would fall. We'll take a short time. We'll do much more in this as we go coming up on get up after to one episode aired last night. We'll take a closer look at the potential impact of having hard knocks cameras following on the rates back in a moment get up on e._s._p._n. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she has no brain however in most nesting doll here's the geiko not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. 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Big Blue Big Board: Players we like and don't like with Invictus

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Big Blue Big Board: Players we like and don't like with Invictus

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights. News and analysis CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Will welcome to the big big board podcast. I am Dan Zuta joint here by Christopher Chris. How're you doing today? You know, I'm doing good you once again, we have a we have a guest, and I think this is going to be pretty cool on for people. Yeah. I think it is for some long time. We view readers, you will know our guests. Most of you will know him as Invictus Kunal. Welcome to the show pleasure being there goes this is pretty cool. Yeah. Good to be talking to you again, while we talk all the time, but in an official capacity, absolutely awesome. So the three of us today are going to dive into some draft things. That's what we do on this draft podcast of more. Specifically, we are going to talk about some players. We like a widow more, then the just general consensus and a couple of players we like less than the general consensus. We've kind of just been diving. Into a lot of what's going on at these positions. And so we just wanted to take a step back right now. And kind of get a feel for guys we make sure some of you guys just by listening to Chris myself over the past like what like six months, we've been talking about draft prospects at this point, you probably know some of the guys that we like, I would just let, you know, then the Naga is not going to be a guy like you guys already know that if you've listened long enough, so we're going to try to just change it up a little bit. So we're going to start off with guys that we like more than they consensus in Chris. Why don't you start us off with your first guy? Sure, I was thinking about this. I decide go for a little bit of a deep cut for these. 'cause we've taught a ton about Brian burns Montas, sweat and the recently confirmed most freakishly athletic off ball nose tackle in the world at Oliver. So I thought I'd go down the draft a little bit and go Tyree Saint Louis offense attack. A lot of Miami. I know a lot of people kinda get the gbs now when talk about an offensive tackle from the U but tire Saint Louis is not Eric flowers. Yes. So having been Miami fan myself Tari, Saint Louis completely different americ- flowers. I think in our when we talk about flowers, the big thing that you know, we really were concerned with and what ultimately was his downfall where his hands, and you know, Saint Louis he's he looks the part, right? He's got long arms. He has great foot speed, which is something also very different. You know, we talk about flowers. Speed Russia's and this is an understatement where struggle for pretty much because he couldn't any didn't have the foot quickness Dan Lewis completely different. That's not to say that you know, he's a first round pick or anything like that. But he no he he isn't a finished product. But he has potential, and you know, when we're talking about guys in the mid rounds. I think I think you could do a lot worse than him. Yeah. In also, one of the things I like about him is that he has played both left and right tackle. So he could leave ably compete for right tackle right away. Especially if they don't find anyone better between now and up to the fourth round. And maybe if he develops he could give them give the giants a an option to move on. From Nate solar after the twenty twenty season when he hasn't out in his contract. But like you said great foot quickness good hands long arms. He's got. The size roughly six five three fifteen or so at least that's what he was listed at. I don't believe he was invited to the combine which shame. No, he wasn't. And that makes him a kind of a bit of misery. We don't really get to see in athletic profile has looking he's not even wasted from approach. I don't know if Miami had their pro or not yet, but he's not even like in the spark database right now. How long like a hundred forty offensive linemen that are listed it. So yeah, it's it's a bit of a deep dive there. But he is someone who has shown a some ability at a at a pretty high level. I mean in Miami does give you Newsome the the shade of Eric flowers. But you you scout the player in not the uniform at not all players at the same position from the same school are the same. That's a very flawed way of thinking about things, although it's a very popular way. Sometimes you think about Deng's. Yeah. You could be an. Option because that could be where the giants are looking at tackle, especially when you look at the if they're going to go heavy on defense in the first round. They might be waiting waiter in the draft to to try to get one of those developmental tackle prospects. So we'll see consult why don't we go with your first guy who you like a little more than maybe everyone else. So, you know, we've heard from everybody that Dave Gettleman is going to pick a pass rusher at some point in the first round whether that be six or seventeen I'm gonna talk about the guy that I have near the top of my my list in terms of a pass rushing prospects, and that's clone. Feral? I don't feel like, you know, he kinda gets do we talk about Brian burns. Josh Allen, Nick Bosa on tests, sweat, but feral kinda gets you know, pushed to the back end. He somebody who I think would be really really intrigued Donnelley does he have you know, the great length, right? His arms are over thirty four. But. One of the most productive pass rushers. You know in the country. He was everywhere for for the Clemson Tigers and one of the big things. And I think one of the traits that you really can't teach is just is snap explosion. When you see this guy. He is consistently the first person off the ball. And that's talking about a Clemson lineup. Those pretty much an all star defensive line. He was consistently off the ball. He really really good at defending the run and setting the edge. And you know, that makes them one of the most balanced prospects in the draft. You know, I know there's concerns with with other players, which as you know, Brian burns in terms of how are they going to do run? The you're not gonna get that with Ferrell. A lot of people say, you know, he's probably better at four three defensive end. My thing is no jazz. Becher runs a multiple a multiple look defense. Right. We don't really talk about four three DS or three four. Oh, oh bees. We just talk about edge guys. Now. Era will struggle bit backpedaling. But you're not drafting him the back you're drafting him to rush the passer. And I think he's he's somebody who's really really, you know, good option, you know, in the first round that can do that for us. Yeah. I I really like Farrell to and this is completely by coincidence. But my profile on Farrell we'll be going up well tomorrow as we record today as it gets posted as this podcast gets posted. So yeah, I I've been actually watching a lot of film on him recently. At to me, what stands out is his hands. You mentioned these his arms are longer than my legs. And he knows how to use them. Like, he always extends. He gets e creates space for himself and his hand usage is just great offense of lineman. Just cannot lock into him. They can't lock in. They can't control him. And then it's just. Either a long arm or a quote, quick remove and he's passed them. Yeah. And two can also point about like the three four and in four three, and I agree that that's not really a thing anymore that anyone really needs to worry about because there's there's so much nickel in the NFL right now that is that is the base that is based teams are playing nickel. But feral has has a little more experience sanding up. Then I think a lot of people get them credit for looking at the SIS rookie handbook right now, which we've talked about with Manchurian on a foreign podcast again. If you have not gotten this book, definitely check it out, but they whist feral having only been lined up in a three point stance. Seventy five point four percent of the time. So almost a quarter of the time. He was standing up a he'll brushed eighty four percent of the time of pass naps. So he did drop back a little bit. So he has a lot more of that. He has a lot. More experienced there. Then I think a lot of people do give them credit for and so the scheme fifth thing doesn't really fit for me. I'm looking at the big board. I've kind of been slightly putting together I have him eighteenth. And I think that might be high for some people when people are talking about what the giants are going to do at seventeen I know mostly they're talking about edge at six so they don't talk about it as much at seventeen, but he could absolutely be option. They're looking at the pressure rate. He was fourth in distract class in in pressure rate. So he was consistently getting to the quarterback in twenty three run stocks, which was big four pass breakups two. So I he's just he was like, you said just all over the place does everything absolutely. All right. So I'm going to jump into my first guy that I like a widow board, then consensus, and that is Emmanuel hall who is a wide receiver from Missouri. If you read my target yards added peace, and I'll just give quick rundown on that into the metric I've put together every year just basically taking a wide receiver and splitting what he averages in yards per target. When he's thrown at and what his quarterback averages in yards pre attempt when he throws to literally anyone else, and then you will hall I in that metric this year by a wide margin. I seven point four three thirty yards added, which means drew lock average seven point four three more yards. When throwing to Emmanuel hall than anyone else on the misery offense that that that is absurd again, and you know, that takes into account some running backs where yards per target isn't very. Hi. But that is easily the top Mark industry class. I and then when you look at him, you can think of that that he's his deep threat, and he is quick, but a per SIS only forty four point three percent of his routes went further than fifteen yards a past the line of scrimmage, which is one of the lowest rates in this draft class. So he's able to win in intermediate range and then make big gains, but also win deep. His three point nine yards per route run is is second industry class behind Andy Isabella who's also looks very favorably by target yards added. He's just a guy. There are some some injury concerns. He did miss some time. You'll we had fifty eight targets this year with misery because there was some injuries. But I just think the upside is there he's like a borderline top thirty to pick for me. And he is just he's not there. I think in a lot of other people's minds. No, I I've seen a lot of people question. His hands. Which there are drops. But also kinda use him as a reason why drew locked in take the step forward that he might have. But yet he he does jump out on tape. And especially for the giants. They need somebody who can threaten the defense deep, especially if they're just not going to let Evan Ingram run the seem at all again. So to Christmas point, you know, I guess I was forced to watch a lot more drew lock than I initially had wanted to. But when you watch him, and I think you guys can attest to this. A lot of his throws were off balance off his back foot. And so the accuracy was you know, not the best. But you see Emmanuel hall, and one of the things that you really look for is just the savviness that that that that he has to adjust mid route and to and to catch some of these balls because you know, there were times that I saw drew lock throw the ball, you know, kind of away from where the Emmanuel hall had run, and he was able to adjust on the fly, and that is a phenomenal trait. And like you guys said we need some deep speed. We lost the only deep speed on the roster because we're not using evidence. From that way. You would be great fit. Just because you know, we need the deep speed that we just recently lost. And we're not gonna talk about now this. So I did this out the other day. So there are three wide receivers industry class who were above the class. Average is in it yards added positive play percentage against man coverage and positive play percentage against his own coverage and those pas. And play percentages are SIS. The three hundred bears are all guys that I do like a lot manual hall. JJ Sega Whiteside of Stanford and Gary Jennings of West Virginia. So that's there's three guys above average in all three of those ticks. So I like call a lot. He would give the giants something. They don't have whether that's something they want right now. We don't totally know that looks like they're setting up for this yards after catch offense. But also again forty four point three percent of his routes wet more than fifteen yards. So we have that ability to win in the short and intermediate areas. All right. So we're going to do two guys that we like each. So Chris, let's go back up to you. And your second guy. I'm going to stay at wide receiver sort of. And those the player who just intrigues the hell outta me in Jalen Hurd wide receiver out of Baylor. Also running back out of Tennessee. And that's what intrigues me about him. He's listed at. Six four six five in about two twenty five to thirty. So he was a big running back coming out of Tennessee. But then he transferred over to Baylor and transition to wide receiver. He only has one year of experience at whiteout, but he looks comfortable in it, especially for a Baylor wide receiver. He's already at good route runner. He he shows solid hands catching the ball and tracking it making adjustments. He's got speed. He's got size and Baylor still used him as a running back on occasion especially in short yardage situations. So I think that's a player that a fairly inventive coach a coach who likes to move players around could have some fun with. Absolutely. I think I think just the fact that he has he has experienced both running back and wide receiver. You know, as Dan said we're going to be an offense that is predicated on yards. After the catch short shifty routes. You know, I don't know where you guys have been but late day too early day three I become trouble. I'm not hearing a lot about him from anyone. So I'm guessing maybe day three. Yeah. Somewhere in there, which they've got a lot of picks the they do. Absolutely. Yeah. That that seems to be his range it with like he's learning the nuances of wide receiver body. Of course, he only has that one decision there. But you can see some of the things that have translated from running back. He per sports positions. Your brand forty eight point three percent of his routes deep. He had nine unique routes, and that's what as I s tracks of the amount of routes that are we take up five percent of receivers route tree and nine is super high. That's like the highest of any of these wide receiver. So you usually historically think of Baylor guys who were on the outside running goes like the whole time that was not Jalen Hurd. I was in the slot. Eighty six point seven percent of the time. So he does have a little bit of outside but mostly in the slot. Then when you look at the way, he beat the man covered sixty point seven percent positive play percentage against man because that's really good. He's able to be. Man. I think he needs some of this new waters and you see that zone. The coverage just forty eight point six percent positive play percentage against zone coverage which well below average. So you think of some of those option routing and things he can possibly word especially coming out of the slot at the next level. But there's development that that is on the horizon, you can see what a developed version of Jalen Hurd looks like and a lot of receivers that are going to be in that area. You you can't see that you think maybe that could happen. But I think there is a very clear path to Jalen Hurd becoming a better wide receiver. You know, you you look at the fact that he had he had positive grades against man. Despite the fact that he is playing in the slot as a six four almost two hundred and thirty pound wide receiver, you know. And that tells you that, you know, there's something there there's something that you can work with for sure that's impr-. Oppressive yet. And I'll say I'm I'm just looking at his spider chart right now. And he has some interesting comps that echinacea Saint Brown and elm Lazard from the twenty eight teen draft. Kenny golladay from twenty seventeen Jordan Mathews from twenty fourteen. A old friend Jeremy Davis from twenty fifteen conc- noon while from twenty fourteen in Cody Latimer to he's got a intriguing Bill doom that a lot of receivers who might not be top receivers. But a lot who have at least had some success yet. Absolutely. So do not why don't we go to your second guy. So I'm gonna stick around, you know, our number seventeen pick, and I'm gonna stay with with the lines. And this time I'm going to select Washington state, offense tackle, Andre Dillard. You know, we talk a lot about, you know, potential offensive linemen to kind of round out the offense line, Dillard, kind of, you know, spend some time under the radar. I haven't as my number two offense of tackle behind only join Williams, and I think if you're looking for somebody to keep alive or whoever or quarterback is upright. You can't go wrong with Dillard, I think he has. He's the best past protection, offense tackle. In this draft or not if you can't watch a whole lot of you know, if you can't watch a whole lot of Washington state games. Just take a look at his movement. When it comes to the Combi, you know, his footwork was special and his full work is special in one of the things that you look at when you look at an offensive tackle you look at lettuces them. You look at their ability to play in space, and you look at both their footwork and their punch can they recover from the speed rush. Can they drive a, you know, a defender off the ball? I would say the only weakness that I see in Dillard's game. Is you know, if you're if you're really really pushing that hog, Molly, you know, philosophy one drive somebody off the ball, but he is a very effective seal blocker in zone scheme, which we do run quite a bit. You know, I think that this is a guy that could step in day. One started. Right. Great tackle. And eventually take over for Nate soldier and be one of the best. Pass protection tackles. I compared the Toronto Armstead. That's who he kinda really reminds me of which is high praise it is. But I'm believer. Yeah. I'll say he's especially his combine made a believer out of me. I was I was a little leery of him. Just watching his tape at Washington state because he never really showed a real kick slide. He'll is just kind of used this kind of diagonal shuffle. That looked really awkward, and I just wasn't sure how is going to deal with just NFL pass rushers. But then the combine they put him in the kick slide rail, and he did it almost flawlessly. He kept his hips pretty much parallel to the imaginary line of scrimmage. He ran the rabbit right by that just cleared up that question for me. So yeah. Yeah. Dillard might be right now my OT one while I'm I'm a big fan of his. So he we're talking about the combat, and you guys are talking about some of the Josie did. But the athletes testing was incredible. I he's. First among this entire authentic line class in spark, which again is a composite score of all the testing is in the ninety seventh percentile of NFL offensive linemen that is very good. And then you look at some of his production on the field. And some of his metrics the SIS shorted him with a zero point four four percent blown block rate against the past. That is easily the best in this draft class yet a one point one to walk rate against the run, which is about average. But I really honestly don't care about your run blocking if you can pass botch. Well, you can figure out how to eventually run block. Well, that's kind of my philosophy on offensive lineman. You can have maybe some hesitation with Washington state offense because it was the very quick. So he wasn't holding blocks for an extended period of time. But if you were projecting him into the giants offense, they're not holding blocks review. Long period of time either they want to get the ball out with the current quarterback. They have and with the wide receivers. They have to is going to be a very quick strike offense. So between Dillard's athleticism his ability to pass block. I think he's going to be fine run blocker at the next level. I'm very high on him. I would if he's available at seventeen which he might not be I have he would probably be my ideal pick right now if we're taking quarterback out of the equation, which we probably are. But the with quarterback that's going to be my second guy here. And it's it's not a guy. That's brought up in the first round conversation a lot. And I think he should maybe I don't know. I don't know if this strap classes any good, I really don't think so I like Berio lot. I have mixed feelings on literally everyone else. The except Jones. I don't like to Jones. But it's so the my guy is will Greer of West Virginia and a lot of that has to do with how accurate he is the my philosophy right now on quarterbacks is you can't teach. Accuracy SIS only has on target percentage for quarterbacks going back to you think the twenty sixteen and in college. So there's really only two draft classes that show up. But when you look at what some of the highly drafted quarterbacks had on untargeted percentage in their last college season and their first NFL season. None of them had a higher percentage only. I think two came within the one percent of their college on target percentage. And one of those was showing Kaiser who had the lowest on target percentage of all of those guys. So that's not really helping to Greer is just he's accurate to all all parts of the field. He's deadly accurate from one to ten. He's good. Good in the intermediate. He has really a good depot. He doesn't not always the guy that is shown with arm strength. But he's accurate on those depots, and he can get it over all he has the highest on target percentage of this quarterback class. He had a great production. It was in the big twelve which you have to account for that a little bit. He wasn't facing great pass defenses. And his biggest issue is he tries to force things. Sometimes when they're not there. He'll he'll try to scramble out of the pocket. And like he's Taylor Murray and that can run into problems because he's not Kyle berry on those. But when you look at how far down the field he threw and he was still accurate now. Josh Kerns buyer of five thirty eight did a projected system that the basis completion percentage on death of charge it and will Greer was second in his class behind Murray. The to my surprise football, outsiders, just came out with Cuba's and Greer was the lowest of quarterbacks who were viewed to be in the top. Hundred which kind of surprised me, but they don't take accuracy into account, which I think now that we have those numbers, and we can use that I think that should become a bigger part of a quarterback evaluation. It's become a bigger part of my quarterback evaluation. So I don't think I'm going to stand here and say he should be the giants pick at like seventeen. A, but I think he is easily QB three for me the baby QB like two and a half getting closer to Haskins than I think I would have thought earlier in this process. Yeah. That's just kind of how I'm viewing quarterbacks right now. Especially since I don't like any of the other guys. I think they're too inconsistent. And the play just varies way too much for me. You had that might be kind of commentary on the rest of the non Cuyler Murray class and to a lesser extent nine Wayne Haskins. But yet accuracy definitely does translate. And at least for inconsistencies. I would rather have my quarterback be inconsistent because he is a being aggressive as opposed to be inconsistent because his mechanics are just funky, and you can never get his feet and upper body pointing in the same direction everything comes with context. And so with Greer I'm not so sure that his offensive line. You know, outside of a few players was all that great. And the games that I had charted from him. He was under a lot of duress. But you know, like you guys said he made he made the throws that he needed to make. And he was accurate when he needed to make them. Yeah. Port of port of why I've I think even just viewing him as QB three of makes him higher on my board, then than most people, and it's just yeah. It's part of how undoing quarterbacks right now in how looking at my evaluations in the past and and trying to figure out how that projects going forward. I would much rather have a. A quarterback who I could probably no rain in by saying, hey, maybe don't do that anymore. Like, it's okay to throw that ball away, then trying to fix someone who's going to miss in open guy. I much rather have the guy where I'm just trying to rein him in a little bit. And if I'm good coach, I'm working on getting those receivers open and not having my quarterback under duress. So he can have those open throws in. This is some of the same things people said about Patrick Mahomes. He's going to have to get rained in. But I'm not saying Wilders, Patrick Mahomes. But I'm saying he was putting an offense that the just wide open throws all the time. And he was able to throw them accurately and Numa homes had the highest on target percentage of the of the quarterbacks I looked at over over the past couple of draft classes. So that just kind of where I come down here. We're going to take a quick break. And then come back with some guys we like a little west than the overall. Sensus get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered by cutting through the noise of hot takes fake debates to get smart analysis, and helpful highlights for your fantasy teams and beyond checkout. CBS sports HQ. It's always on an always free. 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Well, not the easiest way out but easier than the deep cuts in the first part, and I decided to go with Greg little the left tackle at of omiss. He's a player to me. He passes the eye test. But doesn't do all that? Well, when it comes to the essay part of the test. He's got everything you look for in an offensive tackle it. He's got the size. He's got long arms. He's just a I offer Russ tight guy but get him on the field. And it just starts to break down. He doesn't have the feet. You would hope to see his movement skills are net at best and. I have at least for a while. I was seeing him. Kind of reckoned is one of the top tackles in the class. And I just couldn't go there with him. I I agree with you. I think there's there's a lot. You know, there's a lot of rawness that that makes me a little scared. And it was for all the reasons you said, and you know, it's I don't want to say I get Eric flower vibes from him because I would never want to put that on offense. Art. But, you know, the amount of amount of work that he has to do in order to realize what I think is an enormous talent, you know, is a lot. And it's and it's something that, you know, I think he can be successful. If he's with the right offensive line coach, and if he's in the right scheme, but you know, that's that's somebody that I wouldn't I wouldn't take you know, on day one early day to maybe if he happens to slip in lands with Dante's Garcia. He'll be a perennial. All pro. Right. Non-paper may not so much. Yeah. It's it's interesting. So in the SIS rookie handbook they have a widow graded as their number one offensive tackle. But if you look at blown block metrics, he's just about average against the pass and against the run. So I think it's a little boy trait base there than than production base. And then you will get what he did at the combine. I mean, he was in the thirty first percentile of lung NFL tackles in spark, and that's not a disqualifier at all. You can still be productive being that low until you get like into like below that the tenth percentile is where you should really worry. But if the guy who's not super athletic and some of the production wasn't there either. You can see how maybe there there is a path for him. Definitely not being as good as some expect them to be. So with that. Why don't we go to the first guy that you like maybe a little less than two consensus? So. Ally. Chris I'm not gonna take these e way out, and I might I might annoy a few people here with my pig, but I'm gonna actually go Josh Allen. You know, the guy ramble. Guide. That we would that a lot of people would be drooling over at number six a lot of people penciled into the New York Jets. I think you know, I think he's a little overrated. And and the reason why I think so just is watching him, and I still have him as a projected top ten pick. You know, I think he has a lot of phenomenal traits. But you know, there are things that that, you know, give you pause, for example. He was very productive. They're very productive. I think he had something like fourteen six our stats aren't the be all end. All right. Josh Allen is is more raw than I think a lot of people lead on. He does not have a move after. If his first move is sealed off is sealed off he needs to work on his counters. And if he doesn't he's going to struggle a lot of where people really like Josh on his his ability to go into coverage. I agree is is great at at backpedaling. You know? Dropping zones, and you know, even decent at a at a at covering tight ends in man coverage. However, again, if you're going to draft him top five top six you are not drafting him for his ability to backpedal and cover your drafting him to get after the quarterback. A lot of his production was either against tight ends or unblocked. And so has great bend. But he hasn't used it consistently. Does not have a consistent. Passing it pass rush repertoire, which I think I would need to see he's somebody that I would really kind of compare it to like an Anthony Barr, for example, rather than von Miller or Myles Garrett. The I I would draft a von Miller Myles Garrett and number three I'm not so sure I would draft Anthony Barr, and we're three I see where you're coming from. And. Yeah, you do see that rawness. But I would counter that by saying that he he has shown the work ethic to at least get to try to improve on his fault. He got better from his sophomore through his senior season. So I could see a team drafting him in hoping for an immediate spark. And then he improve and work on those flaws. Oh, I definitely agree. I definitely agree. They're like I said, I still think he's a top ten guy. And I think you know, he deserves to be a top ten guy. I just don't think he. You can come in and expect him to, you know, get double digit sacks automatically in his rookie season the way, you know, even Bradley Chubb was able to do this year. I can see the point. Yeah. So you we wind up in three point stance. Three point seven percent of the time. I think that's probably a little overblown winding up three point stance in brushing off the edge as down linemen. I think is kind of like playing under center for a quarterback. I think a lot of people make a big deal. If you haven't done it. And I don't think it's particularly hard skill to learn if you have to but he only rush the passer about sixty percent of the time. He can't he played that outside linebacker role in Kentucky kind of the same that Lorenzo Carter played with Georgia. And did something you would like to see him brush the passer a little more in Renzo Carter needed to develop more. I think Josh Allen is. A little more athletic has a little more pass rush ability than Lorenzo Carter did coming in. But I can see the point. And if you wanted to bump someone up, you know, like like, maybe a Montas wetter or someone who does have just more no pass brush experience and downton down ability. I could see that. And so going into the pass rushes. It's one of the reasons I am not high on the my the first guy here, and that's a Dexter Lawrence the interior defensive linemen from Clemson, there's there's mixed stags on him. Some people think he's one of the better defensive. I'm in in this class is basically a three hundred forty three hundred fifty pound nose tackle. And it just isn't the way I've you'd the NFL right now being a great run defender, isn't all that valuable. If you don't have a little bit more pass rushing ability than Lawrence has if he's going to go maybe the end of round one like top around. Two. That's a lot to give up on someone whose only job is to just take up space and defend the run like you. I think you almost have to be like Damon Harrison level good against the run. If you're going to have that value there, and he showed a little bit of pass rush ability at Clemson. But mostly it was just because he is a gigantic human being, and he was able to kinda push forward that he has to be a little more refined to be able to get that to work in the NFL. So just in the sense of him not really bring in. I think it's just a positional value thing. I'm just not going to value in nose tackle highly to wear warrants is going to go. If there's not the desired amount of pass rush ability. I think there's there's a lot of other defensive tackles that you can play around that same area who are going to have that pass rush ability. And that's even pass like the the Oliver's and Quinton Williams. Like if you will get someone like Jerry Tillery who might go around where Lawrence's? Tillery is probably just as good against the Ron. And he's a really good pass rusher. I'd much rather have someone like that? So that's just I think just kind of a positional value preference. For me of why I'm not gonna view orange where I think a lot of other people are that's fair. Although we know what they've got him and thinks of your whole positional value argument. And it is it is. That's fair. I think maybe he could become a better pass rusher may definitely not at the ability of Quin Williams or at Oliver or even Jerry Tillery or Christian Wilkins or Jeffrey Simmons as soon as he's healed up, and Dan this is a good front seven class. Yeah. The to buy like think of all the guys US is that an wear warrants of might go of among them. Exactly. So that is a really strong argument against him. Or at least why he should slide down a little bit not to spend a high draft pick on him. He does have just a freakish amount of athleticism for a guy his size. I running a five second forty at three hundred forty pounds is just stupid, and he does have better lateral agility. I think than he has any right to again, not absolutely phenomenal. But within the context of being a three hundred. And forty pound human being he moves better than he really should be able to. But he definitely needs to learn how to use that and become a pass rusher and not just a big athletic human. Yup. I mean, I can't disagree with with anything that you guys said, and I kind of have the same same view of Lawrence. You know, he's right now, he's a really big athletic person that takes up space. However, you know, you're going to need a little bit more than that. In order to be a top fifty top fifty pig. You know, you have to be able to show some juice in the past game. You know, if he was able to consistently, you know, at least just collapse the pocket from the inside he would go he would be a top thirty to pick. But that's the thing. He's not consistent. And you know, I talked about this with feral, but Lawrence was in, you know, a defensive line full of all stars. And sometimes you know, while that can be. Great. It can also kind of color evaluation of players as well. And it makes evaluation a little bit difficult is this because they're great or are they succeeding because of the players around him. I think for Lawrence. I think in all these marks and all these big boards. He's he's very high in part. I think because because of this partner in crime Christian Wilkins a little yet. We'll wilkins. It's just a fun player to watch just as a classic three technique. Absolutely. Yes. So Chris, why don't we go over to to your second guy? Okay. Mine is going to be another one who might be a little bit. Maybe a little bit controversial. And that is greedy Williams, the cornerback out of LSU. And again, he's he passes the test with flying colors. Maybe might wanted to have a little bit more bulk in thickness, but he's got the length. He's got speed for days. And as we were talking about before he we went on the air. If you get him in the right situations. He is he deserves to be mentioned as one of the top corners in distract on. I think it would be scheming preference basically between him and by Murphy out in Washington, but getting him out of those situations, or when he has to do something other than what he is best at his work is just a little too inconsistent for me he can get off balance. He looked sometimes looks a little bit tight, and it's just a little bit too much for me to have him as just unequivocally my top guy there. That's that's fair. I am going to respectfully disagree. I actually have greedy Williams's might top guy. But, but I I will say you're absolutely right. I think it is a matter of preference in terms of you know, what scheming run. But if you run in oh, primarily man, and you do a lot of press. Bail. I think he he is he has the potential to be one of the top cover guys in the league. After after a few years. I compare him to Stefan Gilmore, I think they are very similar players. And while I do agree that, you know, sometimes he's a little tight. Sometimes it's footwork is is is all wonky. I think his recovery on players is is phenomenal watch him against decay. Metcalf will out of people have as their top. Why receiver in showed out as like a freak in the at the combine and greedy was able to match up with him. Step step for step thous, really the game that kind of sold me on him as my top guy, even with, you know, more slippery players like Riley. Ridley he was able to he was able to stay on them. I think as abound dri corner, you could do a lot worse than him. I think maybe at the high end he could use his Stephon Gilmore, I maybe. DRC Dominique Rodgers Cromartie. But again that similar kind of press bale using length and recovery to kind of close gaps and just close the door on passes. If he could get into a situation in developed that kind of player. Absolutely, I cannot why don't we get into your second guy who you might like a little less than consensus. So I guess I'm going to be talking about authentic tackles today. But you know, the guy that I like a little bit less than other people. But again, I have him as you know, a top fifteen top twenty guys John Taylor. A lot of people have him as their top as top offensive tackle. I have number three behind Audrey diligent talked about journal Williams. I think you know, when you look at him. He looks like he's an all pro offensive tackle right off the bat. He's got you know, prototype size. He has impressive foot speed for somebody who's size. What scares me is? He still doesn't play with leverage all that. Well, and he's his punch still gives me pause. And my God. I don't it. I guess it's a problem when I talk about Eric flowers this much, but you know, air flowers the one thing he taught me about prospect evaluation when it comes offense lineman. You know, hands are important. I used to think it was all about foot work, but hands are just as important and Joon Taylor. If he gets his hands on you. It's over, but he s again, his hands on you. And you know, his his punch is kind of all over the place. I see him punching too high. I can see players kind of bend around him quite a bit watch him against Kentucky. And if you put down there's plenty of evidence that he's a top five top ten pick not to say that. He can't improve. But you know, again, it's it's something that that gives you pause for Stang. This guy is going to be, you know, the next Tyran Smith or whoever it is. You wanna compare him to now? I'll I'll agree with that. I do like John Taylor. You mentioned his foot speed. I I can't remember who it was that game against Kentucky or one against Mississippi State. They run the defense runs kind of delayed blitz to his side. And he just passes off his guy and recovers and gets out to pick up the blitz. Just it was a while play for me still. He you can see those flashes of upside. Yes. Like, you said his he just needs to get more consistent and just get better using those tools on a play in play out basis, which that could be why it took him until just this year to really emerge, and he just maybe he's starting to get it. We don't know yet. Yes. So this is interesting because per the SIS blown blocked grates. He has zero point eight seven percent blown block rate against the pass. Which is the fourth best in his class a zero point two three blunt block great against the run, which is the desk. In this class. So it might not always be super pretty, but he had did get the job done at Florida a last year on he's probably my tackle to behind Dillard. So I could I could see where sometimes it doesn't look great. But I think there's I think there's enough there to to get going. Oh, I definitely agree with that. I like I said, you know, he's he's a sure fire first round pick surefire top twenty pig. I just don't think he's the stone cold lead pipe lock Pearl offensive tackle. But a lot of people are saying, but I think he I definitely agree. Go probably be quite successful wherever he goes. All right to I am going to end this segment with my last guy, and that is a Riley Ridley a wide receiver from Georgia. I think there is a nixed bag here on how. How people do view Ridley. I think early in the process some people had him as like a top five wide receiver. I think that's that's fallen back a little bit. But I am super low on him. And I'm not even sure where he ranks him by wide receivers. But it's very well. Because he came in at a negative target yards added, which means when Georgia was throwing to Riley. They average west yards per target than when they threw to anyone else that is not a good sign for a wide receiver at the NFL level. Among the wide receivers. I have in charting since. I've started at target yards added. So heading into this class. I have one hundred sixty seven wide receivers in this group and an eighteen of them came in at negative target yards added, and I'll say maybe as a book at the wiz two of them. Maybe have been a decent pro players. A one is time Montgomery who became a running back. And that's how he principal NFL players. That's one not a good sign. And then number two is a Dante Pettis who was rookie last year. He was good when he was on the field, but also got injured. So he's still the wait. And see there's a lot of other names of guys some people life. There's Jalen Sanders like Allen Lazard from last year know, Stacey co we can lower our TV Scott driving Durell. There's a lot of names of guys who were just add were not very good in were mostly low picks in the draft. And did not end up playing well in the NFL pet is is really the only guy in that group who got drafted highly. I'm not sure where Ridley is going to go. You know, he he has those traits, but the production is not there. And that's a huge red flag for me. I found just in this group since in targets added anyone who is at negative tardy. Yards added when a college offense was less productive throwing to you than anyone else on the field. I that that just doesn't bode well for NFL success. So I agree. I'm actually a little bit more down on on Ridley than than the others that that see him as I've heard people go as high as, you know, early day two or somebody that could be an option for the giants that number thirty seven I think, that's that's way too high. When I saw him. I was reminded of of Mohamed sanu. I think he's a dead ringer for the way that sanu plays. And that's that's you know, somebody who has a ceiling as a number two wide receiver one thing. I will say is you know, he's got phenomenal hands and he has phenomenal body control. He's a decent route runner. But. He just doesn't have the quickness, you know, obviously, the long speed is not there. He had a four five eight forty not too much explosion seven to three cone, which is which is kind of awful at four to eight shuttle, which I think at all of her be bad. You know? No, he doesn't have the short area quickness. He doesn't have the long speed to really be, you know. Amazing number one. I do think he can he can make make some hay as a number number two wide receiver. But I think this was a good pig as for it. You know, a player that's been getting a lot of hype. But maybe maybe needs to be knocked down a little, and I would say, especially with this draft plan just with this wide receiver class being the way it is. Where yet everywhere you turn. There's another wideout who is just like this guy could be good. This guy could be good. This guy could be good. You have guys like a Emmanuel hall and deebo Samuel. And I like Antoine Wesley at Texas Tech. And there's just is all the strap is just littered with receivers who just have a lot of upside. And they taking a guide who is who might be a good number two. You don't want to spend a high draft pick on that the say Muhammad to new in number to you. That's that's I think the ceiling. That's I think that's what you should expect. I I don't even predict that of for him right now. So we are going to end this episode here. Thank you so much for for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. This is a lot of fun. And we'll have to do it again. Absolutely. I'm down. Right. You can find this podcast wherever you get your podcast, please rate and review if you have not that helped us out greatly can fall are work at big. We've you can follow big review on Twitter at big blue view in follow big view on Instagram at big underscore, Blu underscored view, follow me on Twitter. At damp Zuhdi fell. Chris on Twitter at raptor, M K. I think he has for listening, and we will talk to you again soon.

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BONUS: A Conversation with Jalen Hurd's Wide Receiver Coach

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BONUS: A Conversation with Jalen Hurd's Wide Receiver Coach

"Welcome this bonus edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better apple podcast. My name is Oscar operates you and we've got a very quick bonus episode of free all we've got Kyle Posey the new editor in chief of Niners nation dot com. You know, decided that he was going to reach out to his network of coaches, and he was going to reach out to none other than Jalen hurts wide receiver coach at Baylor. Frisbee Jackson now, frisbee Jackson is a veteran NFL player and coach he's in his second season on Matt role staff at Baylor. He joined the staff in two thousand eighteen and he was promoted to passing game coordinator in twenty nineteen. So it's a really interesting conversation. Definitely lets you peek behind the curtain a little bit from his position coach last year at Baylor. There are a couple audio issues here and there, but I think overall the conversation is so good. And you get so much insight about her as the player that I think you'll be able to get through it. And I think you'll find the conversation was totally worth it. So here's capos. Conversation with Baylor wide receiver coach frisbee Jackson. Are this is the very first Niners nation episode? And we have a special guest to talk about one of the forty Niners recent draft picks, Jalen Hurd, and I have a receiver coach from Baylor who dealt with him. Frizz man Jackson, I knew what was going on. The door do a well, man. Thanks for taking the time on a Saturday. Got the Kentucky Derby got everything going on. I'm sure and your personal. I've got you said you just came from a birthday party. And I'm I'm going to be doing that here shortly, but always some time to talk a little football. So Jalen her man, let's talk about him. Give me give me your first impressions, let's say so you know, heard had church transferred to Baylor. So did you have any any part in that recruitment? Right there actually it because I was go to the receivers says he tightened so. After we got let go I joined the staff here at Baylor, and he was already here. So I didn't have any recruiting. But I'm glad I'm glad he ended up joining baiter. Yeah. I bet man. He he's he's a different kind of athlete. That's for sure. So when you first got on campus. What were your your initial impressions of heard because we're talking about a guy that what he was as first year playing receiver, right? Yeah. What he's pretty straightforward guy. We met in all on them. All visit was wanted to kind of what my expectations were for him. And you know, how we're gonna get to them to achieve goals which were to get drafted NFL. And you know, he just said, hey, coach on here for eight months, and I want you to develop me is best. You can't give me give me an opportunity today to play my best football. So I can go to the NFL. Appreciate that about. He I think that's exactly what you want especially as a coach man, you want somebody to be able to come in tell you what they. Want tell you what they're looking for. And it's on. It's kind of on you to to help them get there. Right. Yeah. No question. No question. He was pretty fun and honest about you know, kind of what is expectations and goals were. And that's what you want us to call. What? So what was what was the biggest expectation? Was there any goals that were too lofty? There's something that you know, wasn't a attainable. No, you know, he knew that you by. This is first time really plan receiver that it was going to be some bumps in the road, some peaks and valleys, but you know, he's he's kind of got this cat is trying to put his head down and grind it working. You know, he didn't say they want to achieve this. I'm gonna do this. I want to do that was more. So just you know, coach me up, you know, if I'm doing something wrong, correct me. And you know, I'm gonna continue to work on the give you everything I got you know, I was very appreciative of that right on. Yeah. I bet man. We're not. So when you first started working with her what like how long did it take you to realize I'm working with something? Nice. You know, like something special. Oh, no, just by conversation. I realized I had some pretty cool but just get them on the field. How quickly he was able to pick up things at reporter receiver position. You know? He was a guy that you know, if I said, hey, man, I want to work this release. And he doesn't point with the way I wanted to he's want to jump right back in the way in your needs to be done so law, he's a very attentive to detail kind of cat, and you got that guy on your squad really excited about it. He wanted to be coast, which was exciting. Yeah. I love that. And he was he was supposed to be on the senior bowl and with the forty Niners. So I'm sure there are a little disappointed that he couldn't go there. But just hearing that being able to a guy taking accountability as sounds like that's that's when you know, you have somebody that is this is going to skew their all and just be legit. So that's good to hear. So so he played pretty much primarily slot for you guys. And you know, obviously carried the ball a little bit as well. So that be versatility. How is there? Do you think that he can be outside receiver down the line? I mean, he can speak up outside receivers sore. What of John said about? About him. You know, he can line up, and he can lined up outside economic inside. He can lot of position tailback. I think he has so much position flexibility that you can put him anywhere. We have them inside because it was adding teachers for us and for him. I mean, he's going against a, you know, a nipple corner, which you ain't gonna see nickel corner. A college. The way you go see a nickel corner the NFL. Also, he was bigger than most guys was quick animals guys. He was bigger than the moat. So he was able to use his size to our advantage in we had an outside a little bit. But not as much as we used them inside. Just because of you know, we were able to take advantage of that situation in just speaking of playing inside in the NFL, it's he's he's still probably going to be quicker and bigger than a lot of the guys that he sees the Nichols. Well, so that'll be that'll be interesting to see what is role is just as far as how how they use him as far as jet sweeps and just quick out. So just stretching the field down just being a seemed threat as well. Because one thing that caught me off guard just watching him because you know, he gets his labeled as a raw talent just because he's played the play the position one year. But I thought he catches the ball really well away from his body for a guy that just hasn't played the position, and he just looks really comfortable. So is that is that something you guys worked on? Yeah. Well, you're on the God is going to catch the ball. All these won't catch a hundred balls after practice going to kick him off the field. And when people see they've on a think that you know, he's trying to you know, it's it's new or he's trying to impress people. But that's just how he goes to work. I mean, it was times I hit like our Jalen caught enough balls man you caught enough like all, but he has natural hands. I noticed that the first time I was able to work with him that he caught the ball naturally. He wasn't never fighting the ball or balls beating them up or anything like that ES natural hands. And he's going to he's going to extend his hands away from the body and catch the football, and he can make every single catch that you need to make you think it speaks to just the type of hard worker. He is just being able to catch the ball away from his body. But do so with guys like hanging all around, and he's he's pretty comfortable going up and get it. And he's not bothered by contact. And a lot of guys that have been playing the position all their life. They struggle as soon as somebody's in their hip pocket or just on them. The minutes. Somebody just hits the wrist. It's all she wrote. But that's not that's not a problem with her. No, he's he's a guy that you know, he used his side she'll defenders away and aids aren't you can get a cat that can make you contest the us which is easily that you know, you you've got a pretty special player. And you like you said, it's it's guys played that position for their entire lives that struggle with contested catches and east pretty natural in absolutely so okay. So it's not it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows with her. Let's not. So he what's what's an area that he has to just improve. What's what's one of his some of his areas of opportunity to grow? Yeah. For him to be, you know, catching balls down the field deep balls down field where you're gonna make over the shoulder. Catch us just because he hasn't lived in that world of for as long as you know, as much as a lot of guys have. And they're just refining his routes nor win the temple rouse, nor win be explosive at the top knowing when you know, the different speeds you have to play it to be an elite receiver. He really has to refined that part of his game. And then like, I said just Dow balls down the field. You know, he he was still working progress in catching deep balls over the shoulder. So those are two areas that I felt like if he can improve on those things he he can be in the league receiver in the NFL. Yeah, that's a that's a good point right there because forty Niners. Have a guy Dante Pettis who is something serious when it comes to just playing with tempo and just changing his speeds in able to win at the top of his route because he's playing at you know, he'll low you the sleep, and they kind of burst right by you. So heard should have a good guy to work with in. That regard. Is there is there anything else that you know, forty Niners should be on forty Niners fan. She'd be on the lookout for when it come home. Undo know those those were two things that I've noticed the most out of our work with first round pick guy, you know, coach receivers for my entire career in dog. That was the main two things that I've noticed out of him was just, you know, being you know, being a better default catcher. And then just, you know, learn how to play with temple and speed it, and you know, in his route saying if he can he had a deacon masters who things you'll give a chance to be a pretty the player in all that is it sounds like that's gonna come with repetition. So the up just reps reps reps for him. Yeah. The fact that we're talking about a guy that was played like what thirteen games or something like that at position and one of it one of your corrections was something that he just hasn't done. And another one is just something that you learn the more you do it. So that's that's pretty good to hear what kind of what kind of ceiling. Are we talking about with this guy? You know? I think it's going to be you know, how an I've got some chameleons with coach hands off. It saw. But because our line coach coach coach with him in Cleveland. So I think if they use them and let them let them put them in different spots and not like kind of typecast them as one type of thing. I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. You know, he's still he's still got a lot of room to grow at the. Clock was a very good player in this Lee in that league. And I think he can change the culture and continues to work, you know, the he can have a really really good chance of good player in LA. And he's like you mentioned with. With a guy like Kyle, Shannon. Putting you in a position where you are going to make plays that is going to go a long way for him and yell. There's Wes Welker. He's there's also miles. Awesome. Who's on the staff? So he has he has some guys that will that he'll be able to learn from an and like you said with his ability to or with his want to get better that's going to be a big deal. So let's if if you would have had your hands on heard for another just another season, are, let's let's say just what can we expect when he has another season of play for like, let's say he's played the position for two more years. How much different would hurt be? You know, what that conversation, you know, here at bay that if he was able to play, you know, if I had them for another year, hopefully, I would have been able to chance to develop them even more. You know, I think some of the things that we talked about him having some struggles with or just need to learn to do better. I think you'd be way more advanced than that releases because just because he wouldn't have another year of seeing people in front of impress them up. I think he'd be a lot better there. But you know, I think being an NFL being around football twenty four seven four is when you don't help them transition that much faster into the position and being more natural edit right one of the areas, and I thought that he will improve on it could improve on when so he's when he's in the slide seems like you had a little problem with getting through contact at the top of his routes. So you just get kind of stuck on whether wasn't option route or just trying to get through on an over route. But it seemed like. He would either he just he just didn't know what to do. He he couldn't figure out whether he wanted to, you know, use head fakes to get around them or just gonna run through being bigger when with the guy, so yeah, that's something that I'll be keeping an eye on for sure. Especially if he's going to be playing over the middle of Phil. Yeah. You'll get better at those things. I mean, you you, you know, you got only so much that you can improve on that stuff especially in the college game. Just because you don't class restraints and ours was restraints and stuff like that. But I know it's our restraints there in the NFL, but you don't football more than you know, you worrying about right or chemist protests. Yeah. You don't you'll you'll have a chance to improve. And and like I said he's around some great coaches that little speed that process up on. Yeah. Absolutely. And now now that it's his job there. And now that he'll be able to do this every day and see what he's doing everyday review those practice a review his praxis before and afterwards. It'll be I imagine. It'll just be a lot different. So yeah, that's a good point as well. So hurt went in. In the third round. Do you think that was good spot? Former where where did you guys think that he was going to go? Well, you know, I thought he may have been you know, we probably could have been a late second early third round pick went where he ended up going. So I think that was spot form. I mean before God it just plays position for one season. I mean, you you got drafted the punch guys playing the position their entire lives in. I think that's a credit to him showing that you know, he has some ability to be able to do that. But you know, I thought they'd been a, you know, a second round pick to to early third and he ended up right there at that spot. Yeah. And we're talking to you like you mentioned his ceiling helps them a lot. It just natural ability helps on the lie. But he puts them really did things on tape for a first year player for first year receiver. So yeah, I think that third round just ride around that area. And then I mean, just go into the forty Niners helps a lot with who's calling plays all year. No question when when when an offense of. Guy like that. When office got Shanahan takes his chance on you early in the third round. Where teams are still looking for starters. I think that speaks a lot about you know, what heard can be no question. You know, those guys know what they're doing. Let them around football time, Colin and John. And so, you know, just trust the evaluation, and and I think done a great job by getting a great player like him. So you mentioned he's like a straight up serious guys that how he is all the time when he's on the field. How is he like I mean, he's competitive as heck man. And that's something about our program. You know have been here at Baylor. I mean, we're we talked about competing and competition. And he's he's he's the faith of that. And he's going to compete, and you know, he'll go have some fun and beating her own E. He'll joke around he'll laugh and have the time. But he understands that. But William between those white lines about this. They're saying if you take care of business, I you know, is a lot more fun. You can have a lot more fun. So he's business. I and have fun second. And that should give them a chance to have a pretty productive career. That's good, man. Yeah. You have to have a personality. You can't just be a robot. And I think he's definitely not a robot. That's. Yeah. I was gonna say like I'm going to be seeing him in log room, and I don't want. I want to be able to joke around with him afterwards. If he made a play or whatever it may be let's get. Yeah. You got some jokes to one he might go. Some low blows, you know, real quiet and try to act quiet. But he he's got he's got some character. I'm all here for the jokes. I like to hear that. That's good. Well, you go get it from. All right. Not at first. But eventually, they'll come. I've been so we talked about yet saw his personality. So about you've worked with plenty of receivers. Do you have like a comparison for who? Does he remind you of? That was tough. I had a bunch of people during this whole draft process for him asked me that question. You know, he's different from all the guys that I've had are poach forty Dave's. But the titans, and you know brush guys who went on a plane, the NFL, you know, just with his size. And you know, it's his ability able to you don't just use that size to catch the football. You know, he's totally different in a lot of guys. I hit just because he had played position for awhile. Right. And so it's hard to make the comparison of especially the guys that I've cokes, but he reminds me of, you know, Kwame older as far as his size, and you know, just how aggressive he is. And just how he loves football. And that's about the only comparison I've kinda used with with Linda's of action, and I've I'm of diehard Florida state fan. So you tell me that say, no more. That's all I need to hear man. We're getting player if that's the case where on your, no doubt. Bolden was dog overplayed yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yet some fighting him for sure I mean, forty Niners fans know that he was here for. Couple of seasons in all year. He was tough, and he caught the football. And you didn't matter how fast he was. You knew he was gonna find a way to get open and catch the football. That's another guy that. Yeah. Like, you mentioned he's not he wasn't a burner. But if you play with pace, you can get open. Yeah. No question. And then just if you talked in principle at the topic, and you understand your strengths and weaknesses. You. You you can find a way to make a play in this league realistically watery talking about for rookie season contributions. What can we expect? Well, it's it's just want to be how much they use them in and just you'll how fast he improves develops. I don't want to put a cap on number order as we'll have as many catches. I think eating you'll have a chance to be a productive player becomes in there. And he works which I don't have all seen issue with that. And and I know he's widsom office of jeans, and so they'll they'll they'll they'll put put them put the ball hands and make sure he's in the right spots. Oh, yeah. No. I I'm I'm pretty excited just to see what just how they use him. Because I imagine if he plays ten plays eight of those will probably be different spots, which is a luxury to have you just you can't do that. With a lot of players. So oh, no question. I don't question anything else before you out of here is there. What else? Do we need to know? Give us some give us some nuggets. Well, I'll say this man, he was work. He was the hardest working practice player agriculture. That's awesome arm. He was going to be physically drained when he was with practice because he's gives you everything he has. And so I don't get a tough player a guy that loves football. He's passionate about football. And he's passionate about being great and from an individual perspective and he wants to win. In a team perspective on whether support torn and he didn't care. He didn't care about how many balls call or how many touch he had if he could help us win. And they might be touched the ball one time he wants to win. And I really enjoyed that about I think that's the best way to leave it off of just leaving off with a guy that just is going to give you everything he has and isn't about himself. So sounds like the ultimate teammate, man. And when you put the ultimate teammate with a guy with that athleticism and his work and that hard. I mean what else? Can you ask for right? Not nothing else. You got a grip player right on. Well, man. I'm gonna let you go. So you got a bunch of things to do here. So appreciate you taking the time. And we will I will reach out to you. You know, hopefully, this time next year, you guys are spin out another guy for us where we got some guys from good was in host or so we'll see I know. I know you guys whatever you're feeding them down. 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"Welcome to another highly questionable week. This guy i over here is is e gutierrez again. I didn't mean to say that again so poisonous lee. What do you like on the show today is. I was worried about our country at ten a._m. This morning fortunately we're okay okay. No we're not okay. We're still embarrassed winning. Buy one get outta here. Valid poppy jerry jones regret giving seekie the f._b._i. Contract alright his name zeke nut zeki. Jerry jones turned seventy seven years old next month for all this talk about disposable running backs. You can make the argument. His window will close faster than zeke elliott's window. His team has won three playoff games in the last two decades. All of them wild card games. They need this guy in order to make amari cooper and dak prescott better. You're not just getting ezekiel elliot here. You're getting a dak prescott. Who fumbles less you get an amari recouping who is going to be more effective because of the threat of zt. You're basically paying this money to keep your offense being better than needed to do this. No matter what you're basically talking about of two conversations now the long-term with zeke elliot and whether they're mortgaging the future by giving a running back a good amount of money and the conversation it's happening for the right now and that's probably the die hard dallas cowboys fans because we can get back to talking about what this team is what their potential is whether they can win the super bowl with this and if they make it i don't know two or three three n._f._c. title games over the next five six years if they make one single super bowl appearance. This was absolutely worth it but it's not until after we find this out whether we know jerry jones is gonna take a different tack when it comes to running back negotiations in the future. It's super interesting for the dow's cowboys. You're saying hey we're right there with the rams eagles and saints all those teams right now. He's team u._s._a. Victory over a turkey something to celebrate. They're gonna end up embarrassing us. I don't know how this team is favored. It should not be serbian coaches talking trash saying when we play well. We've got a player better than any player that they have and may god help them. They needed missed. Free throws from turkey in order to advance to this game. They needed help on a bailout. Call at the end and jason tatum got hurt in order to get the free throws to get the game into overtime. You're sitting here struggling battling against somebody named baba. The turkey team is not supposed to be one of the great teams in this tournament. There are better teams than i believe that this team is going to end up losing using and embarrassing us. I mean it was embarrassing already with a victory. I mean turkey chope. They had to choke away. Miss multiple free throws in overtime for the u._s. To win this and this is what it looks like people talk about the depth of the u._s. Okay that's all fine but when you basically only have two players per offensive possession that touch the ball or are a factor than it really takes away your depth when only got kemba walker possibly jason tatum in a pick and roll taking a shot at it eliminates everybody else on the other end. You've got a guy said he osman woman who not even regular nba fans no one on one against miles turner in a simple pick and roll situation where they got the switch and he takes them to the whole for an an one in the n._b._a. That is a desired situation. It's just uncomfortable to watch a team. That's talented but doesn't use it all against teams that are better with chemistry and or going to beat the u._s._a. They will lose a game in this tournament. That was the craziest finished a what what other finish was crazier than that greece and brazil in all. He swatted the free throw because you're allowed to do that. Yeah i love flags just by flicking her flicking the ball away erica. That's not allowed. Jilin hurts being held back by three gimmicky. Really that's the way we're gonna do this. We're not going to celebrate. The lincoln. Riley has a way of producing heisman. He's been winners look. I don't know when you don't know how good or bad houston is at defense. Dana holders in teams tend to be pretty bad at defense but jalen hurts looked like a different quarterback with the spread offense and being able to do things in the open field where he's able to complete all but three of his passes any russia's for more yards than he ever has rush foreign a game and he's simply because of offensive scheme looks like the best athletes on the field and a field that is wide open. He's being used differently and use differently enough enough that it made the alabama offense that utilize tim look kind of prehistoric by comparison regardless of the opponent. You're supposed to look rusty in the first game. You're supposed look like hey you need some more practices or this should be a preseason game. He looked polished. He'd look dare. I say perfect but the thing is this. Isn't the jalen hurts. That was a freshman l. alabama. He is clearly gotten better. He has developed and he left there because the guy who's projected to be the number one picking the draft is now the quarterback there if jalen unhurt slightly worse than that if he's a top ten pick a first round pick in oklahoma's offense. He is going to look spectacular so i expect a lot more of this and probably a heisman trophy for tweaking niki. The truth hurts you got it. Wow got got it pretty. Quick joe bad there. He was asking whether you got it before he even finished the joke so jenner had five hundred yards and six touchdowns against houston john huston. We have parolin you get it. Wow very quick. He gets to the you get very quickly. If you don't get it quickly he's going to tell you didn't get it. I think that jalen hurd wishes he had transferred to oklahoma sooner you get it. Oh god i mean if he had done it sooner. I wish he had done you get it later. Did the text us get fleas by seahawks. They got fleas by david clowney who took a cue from john bell and decided to dictate the terms on his leverage he wanted to be in seattle and they didn't have much introvert choice and so they ended up giving him up for two little and then afterward they have to make the kind of trades to compensate for the fact that you must protect the shawn watson in this season so nobody looks at this and says anything other than the texans gave up too much and they're in windham moat at a time that most of us don't think that they're good good enough to win now mode at so funny about the texans. I'm glad you bring that up because it seems like for years they've been in win now. Mode win. Nobody else thinks they should be remember. Brock osweiler wiler. Hey he's going to be the guy oh yeah get rid of him right away. Dwayne brown was another weird thing. They got left tackle in their hands. It didn't okay go ahead and go to the seahawks and now they've messed this jadeja david clowney thing up probably because they don't have g._m. To tell them how to handle it and frankly they seem pretty set to be a good team a team. You could argue and win. Their division possibly come out out of the a._f._c. if they get on a roll late in the season but do they seem like a well organized team. Do they seem like a team. That's got everything together or that has a plan. These traits better workout for them this year because if disappointed big time you could see them blowing this thing up because nobody's managing this well. There are two things here that bear noting when you lose cloudy one is that you make j._j. Watt a lot better by having cloudy and to is this was the best rushing defense in the league last year and it was that because cloudy is very good at run defense. You might not like his sack numbers even though he is a menace but you have to love the way that he stopped running was a question coming out of college. It's not a question anymore that front seven in seattle is going to be a menace oh now j._j. Watt these in front of theus spotlight again. He's going to make it happen buddy. We tout clowney. He's going through. We demand of the hour. He's going to make it happen. He's going to get the top of the top of a hill. There's a hill to make these tough all right. He's telling you it's been a little hill. He's gonna make it tough on the other side of that little hill it's go j._j. Father told you that's right okay and he agrees with himself. Jerry would though don't shop any would okay. This is just the ramblings of an old man at this point all right the dolphins thanking too har- it is rare that you see this this overtly and football and yet they did the right thing thing because this team wasn't gonna win very much the way it was constructed so of course you get picked for the future but if the producers would be kind enough to put the special section of the miami herald pulled up here so that people can see oops. There's laremy tunsil. He's no longer on this team and also if you could put up the calendar of the miami dolphins they've got twelve months in a year eight months have been traded and are no longer on the team so the dolphins are doing this in a way. You just don't normally see in this sport. They're gonna be really bad and they're going to we really bad on purpose even though their coach is saying hey we're not taking. They're going to try really hard with bad player. I mean it's a team that tried really hard to win and was really good at losing thing but now they're becoming too good at losing. It's laughable to even criticize them. The owner stephen ross said earlier that he doesn't want to do things the same way he's not going to fill gaps with high priced free agents and think that they have something special here because they don't so they've stripping it down and next year you're talking about a team that projects to have six picks in the first three rounds sounds and over one hundred and ten million dollars in salary cap space. This could be very quick rebuild. They have to lose a lot and get to from alabama as their quarterback in in order to really get people excited. This is the way you do it and this is the way you do it quickly but go on the internet right now and check out their depth chart. I'll give you a second in order to do that. Look what they have at the two tackles. They don't have to starting tackle. They've only got backup tackles. They're headed for the first game of the season and they don't have many tackles thing edge. Hello oh they're cheater cheater computer. What's going on buddy. You did office mike mole that they're getting rid of the place cutting payrolls to the bond and that's a hell of a move. That's right there. In december no sweat uh-huh sway. Let us know coming up next on my son stevie show. I don't know if it's an actual but here he is and i love it. When the penalty flags come raining down here in the middle of this uh technology truth brought to you by geico truth teenagers can communicate entirely emojis how why bob birthday party dislikes kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are are you talking about. Paperclips shoulder shrug high five wizard hat. What goco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more to play the game that guy really nervous when he so pat rowdy trending on twitter. Do you question like betty white situation. These days isn't it you give us. The topic in events like aladdin that was strange freezes coaching. This is so wonderful. Oh keep in mind who freeze was out of football for a couple of years the vacated thirty three victories and mississippi did not deter him from coming back this way where he's in a hospital bed after a staph infection coaching at liberty and here's him trying to talk to his team from the press box via video a team it should be noted that scored zero zero points they would have scored that many points if you freeze and stay nozzle in the hospital but here's your phrase trying to motivate his troops from the press box in the early on it today told our kids at the hotel earlier you know i. I don't think i've ever cried as much during a fall campus. I have this one as you take a look use. These coach stress out there a unique situation to say the least is he's doing everything he can't be in two walkout towards midfield let up to a he doesn't really need to come laughter suffices doesn't it do you question if this was unsportsmanlike conduct. I love mascots. Ascot's i think mascots make everything better and you tell me. Do you think that this game between jackson state and bethune cookman jackson state scored. A touchdown was made better by the mascot who should not have been penalized for this jones. Does we don't know actual keratin but here he is and i love it. When the penalty flags come raining down here in the middle of this of course that look i've. I have never been a mascot but i assume they tell you if the referees are still stay away tiger day. It looks like he's trying to figure out who's got the ball in kumble's. What if you look. I don't care about your fifty yards about you. Eat some of this well. That moscow lasko was pretty good but that's even better. Oh have you no way mascot. Montages are wonderful asli with them. Take me back to this week in baseball georgia oh what was on. They're always looks like that was not on that oh corridor. This is just flaming cheese. This is just fond du imperil all that the head these combing. We're not covering the big games in college football this week in very well but we're covering the little one's pretty well. You've got saint. Frances france's ear involved in a game against lehigh and the punter here drops. The ball punter dropped the ball bad. Oh you god here god. The violence of that was unpleasant. Take fifty two years. Anybody deserves that. Let's see it again from another wrangled. Thank you that is clearly as you can hit another human being right there. You're thinking yourself. How does this get worse once. I've dropped it the first first time. How does it get worse. Oh i'm going to drop it a second time but it can't get worse than this right and oh yes. It can't get worse after you've dropped it the second time because you can hit by that and then it can't get worse than that. Oh yes it can hear that go all of them in the other direction with the football you're on your back fighting for your breath and that's the sound you hear everyone roaring bring because the ball's ended the other way of punters worst nightmare come true. It couldn't have been any worse than that well. At least he didn't get hit by sean taylor. Oh wow we're going back into the way back. File man pro bowl. Pro bowl has a need to leave your feet there. They change changed all the rules of the pro bowl. After that question i believe from the hotel beautiful south beach miami time to again that these so happy that we are only a few games away from football yeah see own on on a few days away games. That's okay you tell us what to watch on television tonight. We'll tell you were intriguing. Baseball games away on sports net l._a. Rockies in dodgers. The dodgers are really good. They scored sixteen runs yesterday there ninety victories already but let's make fun of one of their bam fans. It comes to the park here with a gloves. Come to the park. Ball is hit right to you. Listen you are filled with shame if you've come with a glove. You have to make that cash. Oh oh but at least you're not louis world going home with camouflage cargo shorts. This is not just the glove the personalized jersey the cammo cargo shorts mad. Your life is bob. You're you and treating both because you know we specie for roka's deny kyw gone silas and that guy even though history so on six go. He has an era of about nine tonight. He's with the nine at this point to win a big game for iraqis so i'm going to be watching chichi not even the biggest game but his name is chichi gonzales. My father just wanted to say that close tonight on e._s._p._n. The u._s. open. I know many of you are rooting for federal and the doll not this guy over here. I've got a new favorite favorite this guy trolling the u._s. Open audience medvedev. Does this masterfully look at this where he's just making fun of these people for not rooting for your first of all. I can say that thank you all guys because your energy tonight. Give me the win because if you're not here guys i would probably lose the match because i was so tired. I was cramping yesterday for sorta to play so i want all of you to know so when you sleep tonight i want because of you and there's giving me right now. Guys is i think it will be an awful my five next matches. I mean the more you do this for you. Guys thank you and playing really good on what i need to say again is that today i was losing sixty zero. I was paying fooling my addict or before the match. I thought i'm not going to play. I was painful in my shoulder. I as much painkillers as i could and you guys being against me. You gave me so much. Energy kareen thank you much pink is there you intrigue absolutely listen if i'm a foreign born born tennis player male tennis player. I'm going to troll at the u._s. Open why because one american male is going to challenge. There's nobody out there. That's good enough. This guy's a genius stop all c._c. Intriguing i got an idea about it. You play doubles with nick couriers. They'll never still blowing boondi cord in the street. Take taxi cab when you go store. You don't when you buy clothing. When you buy milk on your skin that'd be over the place but nick korea korea you gotta do. That's right do today on h._b._o. Joe the shop. My father excited this email. This is the lebron show. I think he might have forgotten that. It was a lebron show sure otherwise you'd be totally forgot. Let's see what we have here. I saw grunk out in town i. I said there's no way he's gonna play sunday's social anxiety. I live downtown in cleveland. I didn't even go outside. The whole year not treated like a superstar in that organization not even brady brady with all that early success. You felt it was important to make an announcement for me doing this. While you're at the top you know is like real like you didn't obviously grow up in the hood first of all. I'm pieces so okay. It's good easy idea for content ten. Get a bunch of people together talking. Get well kevin hart easier you intrigue absolutely. It's a brilliant show. Rob gronkowski still looks thirty pounds heavier there then he does right now is just getting skinny at a crazy rate us like a polar bear walking the arctic. They're unable to find food bopper. You intrigue c._c. Entreat that choice like the playoff. If they growing didn't make where was he didn't want to be anywhere where you find kevin. That's only whoever today and thank you for your. We'll talk to you again tomorrow same place you know if they said they'd be so league reinisch onto blend kevin long. Let's terrace. 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Best of The Herd for Sep 02, 2019

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Show live from los angeles. I'm doug gottlieb filling in for colin cowherd happy labor day gottlieb laboring cowherd. Not that's the way it rolls beurre college. Football season is underway n._f._l. Season amir days from being in a way we can recap and review what we saw so so far in the two previous. Day's got more football today from the college side and we'll get you ready for the n._f._l.'s opening weekend which gets underway this thursday. Chris spielman will join us n._f._l. On fox analyst see ball hit ball. We'll get his thoughts on the growing sense that ezekiel elliott's deal will likely be done and although it's not numbers were told us money as much as structure but the structure does actually determine how much money you make spielman will join us. How much does affect teams brought cured. I think many of you aren't don't follow broadcasting news the way that broadcasters follow broadcasting news and brock. You're popped up on fox game in this weekend like brock yours the fox yes. We got brought cured. We will talk some college football. We'll also talk some seahawks. Football <unk> course covers their games in the preseason and i'll get his sense of the judean clowney trade what that means for the hawks. Mike sandal join us in the third hour of the show senior n._f._l. Writer we got a lot to get to. We've got some all time college football stuff right a coach coaching from a gurney in the things you did not think you'd see a hospital bed being wheeled into a stadium or a coach will be prone on his back through video conference talking to the team before the game and then coaching and that might not have been the weirdest interesting of the college football weekend we also we also have more news regarding the texans it's and the trades that they have made but let's start with the dolphins. This ian rappaport the next four drafts. The dolphins have four excuse me next two drives. The dolphins have four first round picks for second round picks to third round picks with potential to get an additional third round pick via compensation this from the miami herald brian flores first year rookie head coach thirty eight years old came from new england when acid the team was coat tanking after trades he said this. This game means a lot to me. I wouldn't disrespect the game with that. We're not we're going to try and win every game name. We're gonna come out work hard. We're gonna fight. We're gonna play hard in trying to win every game. That's what you do. This team is motivated. We've got some talented players. We're going to get out there and try and win every game. <hes> brian flora's not clearly not tanking no no no no. This is corporate restructuring the corporate restructuring now look you you have two choices chapter seven or chapter eleven chapter seven or chapter eleven. That's the that's the the big difference. There's chapter seven bank. There's also chapter thirteen bankruptcy as well but but chapter seven to explain it kind of quickly is to chapter seven of the title levin of the united states bankruptcy governs. The process of liquidation under bankruptcy laws gate chapter seven is you're done gay. You don't have open any stores ores doing anymore. Chapter seven is liquidation sell off everything. It's over chapter eleven now. That's what dr president has done on four times over right. That's kind of an accounting trick. That's just saying like look. We had this old business plan. It wasn't working and here's what we're going to do. We're going to get a little bit of help. We can get arrested from paying everybody. We're gonna fire some people. We're gonna bring in some new people and we're gonna try some and we're gonna try and that by the way with the raiders did last year at almost the exact same time like you open you open the <hes> the internet box today and you see monday morning quarterback and they're doing a year later. The bears can't believe still can't believe a year later later that they got the raiders to do this deal. Meanwhile like look last year this time people were saying you can't get two first round picks for khalil matt because then you've got to pay him ninety million dollars two pairs did the bears benefited but so too did the raiders opened up cavs face came to sean picks and whether you want to use that as the prerequisite as as the the look at what the dolphins are doing or whether you wanna look at baseball the houston astros those who once again are in place just burland throws is third no hitter of his career. He's he was basically one pitch away from a perfect game but the astros are in position to win. Another world series released compete for another world series. They did this go back and look at two thousand thirteen they gotta blue karski on their home tv ratings and he can sit there and go they changed. I don't care no one watch because they were the worst team anyone had ever seen and what they do. They drafted opted through volume of top picks. Some of them hit some of the mist and then they went and added pieces like justin ver- lander and others in order to make one world series win and maybe another one go and look at basketball in the process of what the the the the philadelphia seventy sixers have done so. We don't have to call it tanking. We can call it chapter eleven earning it feels like chapter seven whether just selling off everything and they have no shot but that's not the reality of. Did you know this fifteen eighteen of the last sixteen seasons in the n._f._l. A last placed team from a division became a first place team in division the very next year now it won't be that quick process process and the reason we're seeing it done more and more is because the old way way of trying to fix it on the fly. It's just too hard to hard the salary cap his limiting. You gotta have more younger players under that rookie control and look at every one of these teams that have bottomed out and how they're trying to rebuild. I mean even the raiders. The raiders probably get out the car thing this year and then they draft a quarterback who saves them a whole bunch of money and and if you're looking at the division like how different is this from what the jets were trying to do granted the jets didn't draft particularly well right. They just is cut polite who's their third round pick but they got rid of their general manager. Their plan was still the same. Get a bunch of graphics. Get a bunch of cap space. Let's try and get a young quarterback and by the time tom brady retires which does feel sooner rather than later. We'll be loaded up with so much talent. Even tom brady though oh i'd go back and it was a different era and different finances and whatever but tom brady a six round pick. Can you find a way to get a guy. That's not gonna cause you to have to pay him thirty million dollars thirty five million dollars. Can you load up on talent. I mean look the minnesota. Vikings haven't won won a super bowl but they've been super competitive with exception of you know two years ago when they had all those injuries and sam bradford had one good game and then he got hurt you before they had all those injuries offensive line but how are they built. They had teddy bridgewater who didn't cost him a ton of money and they had an awesome roster around him and they were hoping that teddy bridgewater could eventually become a starting quarterback like a franchise quarterback he wasn't he was just okay and they lost on a missed field. Goal from blair walsh against the seattle seahawks hawks but that was an immensely talented roster built the same way that the dolphins are trying to rebuild themselves the same way the raiders are trying to rebuild themselves the same way the chargers rebuilt themselves the same way the cult's rebuilt themselves as much as it feels worse when you miss in the draft. The difference is when you miss in the draft. You cost yourself a couple million dollars. When you miss in free agency. He cuss yourself twenty or thirty million dollars. This is the way and everybody knows it's the way and for the dolphins opens especially like what was the last time they were actually good like really good and the dolphins have look look themselves in the mirror and said we are the new york knicks we are chasing around the ghost of mark duper mark clayton don shula and and dan marino renault and you know what damrau is not walking through that door and the way to do it is with culture is with character is with draft picks and if somebody wants to give us a ridiculous amount two first rounders and a second rounder for laremy tunsil who's really talented founded but it's not like he plays like the best left tackle in football. You can have him what brian floors is doing is the first rule of tank club. You guys know the clippers. Don't talk about ten second world. Club is dr. Thank club so it's not what he says. It's what they do and oh yeah by the way he does want his guys to play hard. He does want them to compete because much like jon gruden last year. He's looking to see which guys are grabbing a a bucket and trying to get the water out of the boat. Which guys like don't down anyway going down anyway and the guys is it grab the bucket. We'll hang around for year two in year three and the guys that don't they'll sink with the ship and they'll be they'll be jettisoned off as soon as somebody wants to trade for them or as soon as their contract expires. That's all they're doing so. I know we look at the texans and texans are doing the opposite. They're panicking. They're freaking out. They got no g._m. That means a new g._m. Probably coming and they're trying to patch holes and they're trying to fix them fly and they won eleven games last year. Now they're going to go with that. Andrew luck but slow and steady eddie wins the race and it doesn't mean that they'll land the quarterback of their dreams where it's tour or otherwise but this process of tanking of chapter eleven of trying to restructure from the ground up. I don't know if you know this that brian floor is like like he actually laid into his guys 'cause they parked in handicapped spots when they were running late which sounds like the worst thing on earth and then you realize like all right. If you play with a couple of years you realize no one who's handicapped actually comes to work at the dolphins facility which is kind of set way out away from fort lauderdale. Whatever like i i do. I do actually understand but to him. It was more about what it says about your character. Are you on time. Are you doing the right thing. You know you you build build. These little habits florez much like gruden much like other coaches they've brought in. They said look look if we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it we're going to it's going to be the long play tear down. Fix it back up. Let's not lay new tile over old tile. Let's get up that old towel and put down some hardwood floors. Let's scrape it down to the absolute studs and redo it because otherwise it looks like maybe looked at houses over the weekend. It looks like a house that's been partially redone which means it's partially actually undone and scraping it and starting over is usually the best way if you had the finances if you have the wherewithal for the long play why not everybody has that coming next three time all pro n._f._l. On fox analyst chris spielman joins the show. So what does he think about the dolphins tanking plus should the cowboys give in and just pay zeke elliott's they can get for week. One and my fantasy team can win a game. We'll we'll discuss next be sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. 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I said this last year when jalen hurts transferred oklahoma that if jalen hurts can win the heisman this year that makes lincoln riley officially quarterback jesus and it's not because jalen hurts hasn't shown himself to be a very good very good quarterback with great alabama alabama teams but he's just not the thrower. The doesn't hasn't shown himself to have the accuracy of of either of the two previous heisman trophy winners baker mayfield or kyle murray he had three hundred two yards of total offense by halftime by the end of the third a quarter jalen hurd said just three incomplete passes four hundred ninety three yards of total offense by the way calamari had got a single game high of four hundred seventy eight yards of offense in his heisman trophy season but jail hurts had three hundred and thirty two yards cards offer a of passing twenty twenty three sixteen rushes for one hundred and seventy six yards six total touchdowns announced three passing. We running in his first game in a forty nine th two thirty one win now. Let's let me i let you breathe before. Are you start going stocks remember. This is the perfect storm. Hey you have an uptempo oklahoma with a average at at best defense going up against an uptempo houston team with a below average at best defense so you're going to have more more possessions and and and <hes> and terrible teams defensively these are stats on steroids. Every stat is is going to go get to grow because there's there's more snaps now than there have ever been previously especially of two teams trying to play fast the old trying trying to play fasting and hurting your defense. If you watch college football this weekend that was a big part of the story florida state raced out to a big lead over boise state but but they had all four or less play drives with the exception of one in the second half they had one eight play drive in the second half and that was their last drive of the game the rest were four or less place and you're talking less than a minute on the field most times and so your team gets tired team gets guest out and it causes your defense to become come shoddy well. That's what happened with houston. Houston lost their best defensive player to the draft fired their coach dana whole gerson who's never ever been a prolific defensive. He's an offensive guy so before we sit there and crown jalen hurts is the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. Let's let's get some perspective. It's a bad houston team. It's a good oklahoma team and oh yeah by the way we shouldn't be that surprised. Chillers was the s._e._c. You see offensive player of the year. In two thousand sixteen now was he surrounded by great players absolutely but remember he started sixteen. He started seventeen eighteen. He played in the national championship game and then only got replaced late by two and he's still played and split time last year and did win the s._e._c. c. c. championship game against georgia. It's not like he was mitch. Trubisky who we never software three years like just didn't play this dude start from the day. He walked in and alabama. He won the job as a true freshman and then you factor in that he's playing against the terrible defense. He's playing with the magnificent mind. Wind is an offensive coach a system that fits his style a system where he's going to get the ball more throws that are easy to read your plus. It's not like it's the first time he's ready defense so i guess we're supposed to be surprised by jalen hurts and how well he played but the truth is what are we surprised by. He was damn good at alabama's. Damn good college quarterback. He just not to buy logo right. He's just not that do that. Dude is a freak dude is every bit as athletic far more accurate just better pure quarterback. They don't say tank. Thank for two because the n._f._l. Things to stinks. Jalen hurts is a great college quarterback to has a chance to be a great college and pro. Maybe professional quarterback any he's still small left-handed. There's no left handed starters. That's that's a bit of a switch. There's other things but if it were acting jalen hurts got beat up by some bum or the jalen hurts was like no there was just a ceiling there with him in the in the biggest a big games he what they would make him throw in the tight windows and he just wasn't that accurate he always run you could always throw oh but he's just better on the move and better than a college offense and better in the spr- in this type of air-raid oftens so i get get that we're supposed to be surprised i look at what lincoln riley is doing but this is what lincoln riley done with essentially every quarterback he's had and he takes the guy's a former s._e._c. offensive player of the year who's had three years to study under all the different minds at alabama. Would you think you're gonna get and by the way houston thanks houston. Thanks it's the n._f._l. 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Matters football's on television basketball's the balls right around the corner actually team u._s._a. Playing as we speak paul's better. I don't want to end this summer. Good my summer coming to an end. I'm good so i grew up in the city of orange in orange county california. It's kind of interesting like my <hes>. My mom went to syracuse. My dad went to syracuse for a year or maybe semester and rusher <hes> my dad's favorite color was orange. We moved out to the city of orange in orange county all of the teams. I played for growing up the my dad coach he because his favorite color we wore orange and then ultimately i played for oklahoma state that wears orange and now i have a pretty good tan. Maybe a little bit orange to me. I'm not sure anyway the the city that butts orange one of the city that abuts orange is tustin and that's where i went to high school and tustin is a mixed north tustin is more estates you know half acre to an acre sometimes even two acre lots beautiful beautiful beautiful area some horses up. They're more south than central tustin blue-collar used to you had the test in <hes> <hes> <hes> air marine base that has these big hangers that used to house blimps. I didn't now obviously there's actually regular people housing on it. As the base is no longer there so you had everything from military families blue collar families all the way up to the nicer side of the tracks which was and i remember when i moved back. I was looking at homes and i was like man. These homes are amazing but they're all built in like the blade seventies mid eighties who would buy lease and some rams used to live there. Ellie rams used to live there. Some angels used to live there now. Out of the angels live down by the coast live on a golf course no and my real estate agent said <hes> dude the eighties. Who do you think lived here. Doctors and lawyers like i want you to think back when you're a kid and if you're if you're anywhere between inside of your early twenties maybe maybe you don't don't get this but thirty five forty five fifty right and maybe even you get to thirty when you were a kid the persons whose dad seem to have the most money and have the nicest house and was killing it was the doctor who went to the ivy league school you know went to medical medical school and and or the lawyer by doctors in the eighties it was about doctors and lawyers and maybe an accountant and those are the people that made six figures in six figures now. It's a big thing but then it was a huge thing now. I want you to think of the jobs that kill it now. You know you start an app and then you sell your app but really it's the financial sector and yeah there's there's also commercial real estate regular real estate but the financial sector now is what the lawyer earlier was to the eighties with a doctor was now doctors have to carry all this insurance doctors have to pay so much for their medical school bills like man. It doesn't mean the doctors don't do well. They still do very well. They still make six figures. You make a couple hundred thousand dollars. There's in any city in america. That's a good thing plus your your own doctor but but at the top end is more limited. There's some top by plastic surgeons right. There's some top heart surgeons but it doesn't doesn't feel like you're going you go into medicine to get rich anymore. You go into medicine because you want to help people. You're fascinated by and you wanna to make a good living and you will make a good living there isn't the floor is very very high in the medical practice and medical practices but the ceilings much lower whereas financial guys you know in orange county again where i live where i grew up those guys at pimco. The bonds guys silly money own your own company crazy money like seen money c._e._o. Money obscene tack tech startups facebook. I have friends that moved to idaho in the like businesses booming everybody moving out of california to to boise. What do they do. Oh tech huge tech industry. That's why san francisco's most expensive city to live in 'cause the doctors and lawyers are killing. It's because the tech industry and just like the business world has changed so too has professional sports in basketball us people throwing your center now. It's not was it because the center would breakdown sure but also because as basketball has evolved. There's less efficiency efficiency and throwing the ball in the block and watching patrick ewing sweat all over his opponent and shoot fadeaway. I feel like i feel like doc. <hes> running backs as we're waiting on melvin gordon. I saw the story of the weekend but the chargers basically said in in in like three days. There was melvin gordon saying you know they don't wanna pay me more. I might not i'm. I'm still doug. I'd like to play but i'm not gonna play that was leaked leaked report from his camp. Then it was the chargers saying hey feel free pursue a trade because with the chargers no is in their heart good player. They probably value him as much or more than anybody else now. He's a team not gonna give a first round pick or maybe in a second round pick for them but even if they do then they have to pay melvin gordon jordan the thirteen million a year or fourteen year. He's expecting when the chargers were ten which is more than they want to pay. So then yesterday came out of the charges like you know what we're done. Undoing contract talks. You're under contract for next year and another year your fifth year option just like zeke. If you wanna show up show up and play otherwise we're gonna find you because you're under contract and you're not showing up cowboys continuing their on again off again. How are they going to get this deal done. I do feel like they ultimately get the ezekiel elliott deal done but now it's over language and they can say it's over language down over money but the language pitches all about the money. Well you know the main like that's just being cute. Well you know the third year fourth year being guaranteed and teed the team is about the language with the team is saying we don't wanna guarantee every penny we just saw. It happened to todd gurley. It's the same situation over and over again. We get no if you can stay healthy the n._b._a. Productive all four years the contractor all three years the contract we'll give you the money. We still want to guarantee it because you're running back you break down you take a beating valuables used to be star running back. Make a good amount of money like zeke elliott considering go like man poorhouse not making much coach. You do know that he made sixteen million first year because of where he was drafted slotted i did. We did that go report. It was that that nobody reported that which by the way granted it spreads out over time he was the highest paid position player at his position before he ever took a snap now the next two years he doesn't make a lot because it evens out and then this year he does and the next year he makes a lot more in the fifth year option but they're sitting there going like man we were doctors and lawyers and we used to have the nicest houses and you know i mean when i was a kid every n._f._l. Team was built around one of these dudes bears walter payton lions barry sanders niners and we all talk about the passing game roger craig high needs right eric dickerson with the with the forty niners. I mean the rams. The rams america starts with the rams. The rams went from eric dickerson to jerome bettis to marshall faulk like they would just and that was their guy now. Marshall faulk obviously was a hybrid guy but they would always be built around there. Running back in many ways and times have changed now. Just like you know the the plastic you know when you fly the airlines and they have like these are the top ten plastic surgeons in the country. I don't know who selects that but like the top plastic surgeons. They all look like they're just. I know one of these guys and he is a really good looking guy and i don't think i don't actually think he's done any work on himself. The man he's just a good looking like the top guys never ah in there. They still get a lot of money but if you're going into school now or you're trying to come out of school you like man. How how can i make a killin. How can i have a couple of commas next to my name tekere finance industry right. That's it. That's that's the deal that's where the huge huge money is. Huge money and i feel like running. Backs are the doctors and lawyers of the eighties that they used to have the biggest house. They used to have used to have it going on and now they're watching the tech guys and the finance guys and in many ways guys less educated than them i i have. I have a neighbor he's in the finance industry and he had a good education but he came out to southern california. -fornia followed a girl out here and meta finance wiz while he's tending bars. You didn't have a job. That's not how doctors have to go through ridiculous leaps and hurdles in order to become doctors so you're sitting there is a doctor and learn like way we we we we were. I had to get straight a.'s in high school straight as in college judge get a credit score in the l. set or the mcat then get into a really hard and really expensive medical school or law school pass it and and then as a doctor then you have to do residency program eighty hours a week and now i'm making to fifty right right and that's that's zeke looking at deck going like wait. He's like the fifteen best quarterback in the league and he wants to make thirty five million a year and and here. I carried my high school. Team carried my college team. I've carried this team like this strictly based upon my skill skillset and i'm gonna make less than half what he's making per year. The answer is because life's not fair. There's there's there's the one to wake your kid up morning. Sun morning father any words wisdom father. Yes knows you anything and life's not fair good morning gary for school. This is the this is this the teacher argument. Should teachers make more money. Of course they should over. They get three months off. Do they really you think they would trade a couple of months off so they could actually make a living wage. I would get they gotta. Put up your bratty kid. I would guess they had to go to school. They had to pass her certification vacation. You know and then they had to pass that they have to do c._p._r. They got to put up with all your emails. O you only worked eight to three really think they show up at eight and leave right at three recourse. They don't and it's fair. This is just how society is the side. We pay certain people. I mike sando joins us show upcoming next. We got a lot to get to you senior n._f._l. 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All 32 - San Francisco 49ers: Exploring possible Super Bowl hangover, pressure on Jimmy G and Kittle's contract with Matt Maiocco (Football 6/23)

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All 32 - San Francisco 49ers: Exploring possible Super Bowl hangover, pressure on Jimmy G and Kittle's contract with Matt Maiocco (Football 6/23)

"What's? The fix podcast. I won't Brinson I'm your host is CBS sports daily NFL podcast actually did the intra backwards air which could tell you that I haven't been doing the show for a week because I've been on vacation, but thrill to continue our all thirty two NFL team talk joining us to break down the forty niners Matt Maiocco of NBC. Sports burial at Mayo NBC on Twitter Matt Let's man well, not a whole lot, but a lot right I mean. Like this you know since the middle of March nothing has gone on at the same time. That everything's been going on it, so that's kind of where I'm at covering the forty niners and being in California and kind of see what the local regulations are going to be and I mean the one constant is in talking to everybody I know both with the team outside the organization. Nobody has any idea how this is going to play out, so we just keep talking about it and discussing it like it's GonNa. Play out like it always does, but I guess then we'll cross that bridge when we get to IT I. Can't do. A we've got a bunch of notre people who are like. Hey, we appreciate you forging on with football. As best you can I mean we try to acknowledge everything on the outside and talk about it, but you do I mean people do to focus on their teams, because it's a welcome distraction, deebo Samuel Man. I'll tell you what you know. This is a team that represented the NFC in the Super Bowl last year and Calvin Hannah's an offensive genius, and they just use a first round pick on a on a wide receiver. Brandon I I really like but Adidas able and ready to go with the loss of a main sater's. This wide receiver group is thin. Is it gets across the League? Yeah I mean it is from the sense that he'll very few guys have done much of anything right in the league. You'll Kendrick born is is a fine receiver. Starting! Caliber receiver, probably borderline, but certainly a good third receiver, but then when you look also at last year, there were two guys. That were on the team a year ago at this time that the forty niners expected to be big parts of the offense in twenty, nineteen never happened due to injuries. Taylor is the best lot guy that they have right. He never played a snap because of a Jones fracture, which obviously is the same injury that Deebo. Samuel has and you know. He came back to soon perhaps, and and you know there some aggravated of injury. They went back into fix things or became an infection five surgeries later. You know he's not. Able to even step on the field for the team and twenty nineteen, and the other guy is Jalen Hurd. Forty niners drafted deebo Samuel in the second round last year. Jalen Hurd Tall wide receiver who was running back at Tennessee. It was basically on pace to set their all time leading rusher. Record there for the volunteers, but he I because of his size I, think the thought process was I. WanNa play football for a long time and six foot five I'm a big target and I'm GonNa just take a pounding, so I wanna move to wide receiver. Tell said No. We want you running back and so he went to Baylor for his final year played pretty well. Forty nine ended up drafting like they drafted him with the opposite. If he had been a running back, he would have been drafted if he had been a tight end, he would have been drafted. Instead. He was a wide receiver and he was drafted in a third round. So knowing what you know about Kyle Shanahan when you hear him, talk like that. You kind of understand that the wheels are spinning in his head of I. Have This player on my team. WHO's an NFL player? Three positions now think about what Kyle Shanahan can do with the player like Jalen Hurd. Specifically but not only but specifically win. You're talking about two minute drills and the fact that you're offensive personnel is pretty much locked in on a two managerial, as is the decent personnel, and now you can move around take advantage of all kinds of different scenarios and mismatches and everything else to get. What you want it to be at the right period of time to take advantage of stuff, so cal Shanahan loves mismatches. He loves using personnel, groupings and formations to create. The you know, the one on one scenario is that that he thinks is most advantageous for his for his offense, so you can kind see where a guy like Jalen. Hurd would fit in to this offense. Seventy in your in your mind when you think about cal Shanahan what he's operating with, even though he's got sort of. I like remorse Kevin, Coleman. And we'll see what happens to get into. A. Premier. Group, it wide receiver, and running back with cal, Shanahan can. Easily enough right. I think will that last year. He did not feel like he had the pieces that he wanted for his offense, and still at the end the season I mean you look at the statute sheet, and only one team scored more points than the forty niners last season, and only three other teams had more total yards than the forty niners. So when you look at it from the standpoint of your title. She had not feeling like this was just a machine. You'll an offensive juggernaut with a lot of explosive players in the team still offensively did what it did. I think the offense personnel is better this year even though they lose Emmanuel Sanders to free agency but you know the the idea of them having like you mentioned where he most heard and seven Coleman and then Jerick McKinnon. Can Be anywhere near what he was when they got him now. They have an element that they didn't have last year. which is a guy who can run great patterns out of the backfield catch passes on third downs so. Even though Maybe the the name you know. The Star recognition other than George biddle is not there and maybe deebo. Samuel was good been on the verge of stardom, had he been healthy and made it through a full season, and we'll still see what he's able to do this year I, think that in calcium. He has mind he feels like the offense personnel is in a better situation right now. Well, certainly before the Deebo. Samuel injury right then it was last year when the offense turned out to be a pretty good offense. Is this a make or break year for? Jimmy Garoppolo, who? We somehow didn't mention when talking about the. You know I don't think it is clearly. They expect him to take a leap forward in every sign would point in doing that because of. What quarterbacks tend to do in their second full season in Kyle CNN's often though he had a good year last year. We did he have a great year? Maybe didn't have a great year, but he had a. he had a really good season, so I just don't know now. The Kirk cousins is wrapped up I. Just don't know where you would go as your backup plan if it's not Garoppolo so I I think that's kind of over played, but again a lot of it will depend on how this season plays out, and and how he improves or doesn't improve on the season. He had a year ago. And I don't think any any of us. Maybe I don't know how. This isn't San. Francisco. We didn't give him enough credit the fact that he was coming off an ACL surgery in a still fairly new to the system. Had almost four thousand passing yards, and what thirty to twenty seven pass. Pretty Nice season. Yeah, and you'll everything really all the metrics, the only thing you know yards per tents. Completion percentage you know all kinds of things really look good eating the comebacks in the fourth quarter the only area where you can really point to or the turnovers. Thirteen interceptions last year. That's gotTA. He's got to cut down on that but I think I. Think he showed a lot of good things last year. When you is basically, the entire off season was working on getting back into shape as far as getting that healthy and wearing the brace on his on his. On his. Need so left knee, so we'll see, but I think that that's a little bit over I. Actually I think that's a lot of pay played that Garoppolo make-or-break season. Take a quick break. Come back. We'll talk forty niners defense. Yeah boy the Brian Campbell. The host of the State of combat podcast on CBS sports. Your home for all things boxing bigs March larch. Pro Wrestling in the middle of that I got UFC hall of famers. Sugar Shot Evans every week on the. New York Times bestselling author Reif. View on the boxing side? It's the interviews with the biggest names in the sport it is previews reviews instant analysis after the big fights. Yes, USC fat during these unprecedented times, and we got score back with that performance enhancing audio, the State of combat available on Apple podcasts modify Stitcher, and wherever podcast out. So deforest buckner. Traded this off season. I mean what what was your general? Take on how the forty niners approached what they did in terms of. Like, the they decide, we're going with armstead instead of Buckner for what presumably purposes we have. Ford we got both we can get somebody else in the draft pick. They ultimately made the right decision the right. It had the right process here. Well, I mean if you'd asked me this before this played out, you know if you'd asked me who the putting is getting heap Eric Armstead Standard deforest buckner. I I wouldn't even have to think about it. Of course you're going to keep the buckner. Buckner is a really good player. The Indianapolis Colts will be ecstatic that he's on their team. Because of everything I. Mean I cannot I cannot poke any holes in deforest, buckner as a player or person or just you know the mindset i. mean everything he's everything. He wanted a player. Armstead was the guy who's seventeenth overall pick when twenty sixteen I guess it know Twenty fifteen. And, so yeah he. Had battled through some injuries and really wasn't all that productive, and then you know oddly enough during a contract year. He puts it all together. You'd always been pretty good against the rhyme you know. He's been pretty decent as a pass rusher, but never finished the deal. Last year finished the deal at the team in sacks. So. I mean to me, it's it's a no brainer you you take. If you had to choose between one or two, you pick. deforest, buckner sure that's with all things being equal well, all things aren't equal because. The forty niners weren't in a position to sign deforest buckner not afford the contract. They gave Armstead, which is seventeen million year while he ended up getting twenty million a year with the colts. Then you add in okay. The cap money that's saved from that help. You sign a guy like George. Get down the road. but then they were able to get the thirteenth overall pick. And then they were able to trade back just one spot, and because of that they still got giovane Ken Wa. who was a player that they really like in and put him in a category coming out of college. Very close to divorce buckner. And then, and then using that one pick that they mood back, they were able to trade up and get Brandon I. You a player that they did not believe what's going to be there. At number thirty one overall, so when you Kinda let it all sort out a little bit. And you see that, yeah, they in essence got the two players. They wanted in the first round and saved four million dollars in cash room now it starts to make sense and so. Even though I will go to my grave saying. deforest. Buckner is the guy that hit him. is is everything you want in a team? It. You were to tell me okay. You can't have deforest buckner. Have this instead now I start to see it and I. Say okay. That makes a ton of sense. Might ultimately not be the right call, but the thinking was was really good. The execution of the plan was good, and so everything turned out after that train about as well as we could have hoped. Yes, that's the thing is like ultimately you have to say okay if we if we if we tried to do one year with Butler and Armstead and you know and and and just pushed us together and see if it plays. Plays out like it. That's not a good long-term approach you have to decide. Can we do it? And and then you come out of there? With the top two prospect to the top prospects you had on your board. and Capri I I tend to agree with you on that. The kill things one. The one thing though is i. don't know how much of of arms stance production last year was a direct result of divorce. And so that's something to kind of keep in mind to to see how armstead is to do with this year. When basically all the attention from the interior pass rushing anyway is going to be on him as opposed to all the attention last year in previous years being all. A. That's a fantastic point in its. We won't know until the until until the Games are be played that you can just a touch on kindle really quickly. It sounds as if his agents and he are not under the impression. Hey, we'll take the atop tied in contract is that? Is that what you're hearing as well I think that's I. think that's fair. I think the fact. Jack back his agent. Told me a couple of weeks ago. That he he views George kindle a Unicorn that he's. There's just one of a kind in the thinking is that? Yeah. Even though there, here's this market for tight ends. The tight end position has about the most difficult job and all of football, maybe other than the quarterback because. You're basically asked in the case of kid all he has done. This had very high level. He's asked to run the routes and produce like top-flight receiver while also playing the position in the run game like an offensive Lineman, and so Kiddo is one of the rare cats that you know. The forty niners decided to throw the ball forty five times a game. He's going to be a major part of that if they decide to run the ball forty five times he's. He's GonNa be a major part of that, and even though you know I forget exactly what he did in those first you playoff games when the forty hours rolling through the NFC in the playoffs with the pair of seventeen point victories, even though he wasn't catching a whole lot of passes, because Garoppolo was in throwing the ball very much at all, he was still a dominant guy and helping Rameau sir for two hundred plus yards against the packers in the AFC championship game. You know he and then you. You'll aside from that. I I. Really pay attention to the locker room and and Kinda. How Guy handles himself how he's out of my teammates how he sets the tone and George can all that, too? So when you look at it when you look at Austin making twelve and a half on sorry ten and a half million a year. And George biddle has made you'll not much or three years and a schedule to to have his roster salary. Bump up to two million this year. I mean he's vastly underpaid and. Is Ten and a half million. Really the you know the floor when you start to talk about. George Kindle, no I think the floor is a lot higher than that whether it's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, million. I don't know when you look the team. Salary structure and armstead's may making seventeen million. I mean who's more important to the team, and so I, I just don't know where you come. You know what kind of middle ground you settle on when you're looking at George. biddle forty matters, and then, of course, the other aspect which kind of brings it full circle the where we start talking about. Where's the salary cap going right salary cap? Is You know salary cap isn't gonNA rise next year for the first time in forever. So, how does that impact? What a team is willing to pay a guy in a long term contract, and of course kiddle. That is saying. Hey, don't hold us responsible. For an act of God. We still want the money that we should be getting. Had We signed this deal for months earlier, so there are so many guide complications to work your way through. And I would say to just one more thing that maybe more so than any other scheme his importance to. Cal Cal Shanahan's whole thing is. You want the play action to look exactly like a running play and with George kittle out there it allows you to look like you're going to run the ball every time, and then to have the way that he runs his rallies in the way that he does such a good job leaking out and faking on blocks, and all that like that is a really really key component to what they do on offense. And that is not a I mean that is something that not everybody can do to. Like you said steak you like you're blocking. Carry that out and then have the athleticism in the agility to then almost you know zero two zero to seventy in the snap the finger get out there and to your route and create immediate separation now. That's a very underrated unspoken Intel now. Aspect of of George Kills Game for sure. Okay, so let's Let's get you out of this. What what? Are Question for the for is our question for all teams, especially in this map, but it's really tough with the forty niners, because what constitutes a successful season for the team that had a ten point lead in the fourth quarter of the super. Bowl, last year like what is I mean I mean I don't know. What are you happy with? If you're the forty niners, it can't I can't imagine anything less than a super bowl, but I mean it's. We are very difficult with that hangover lingering right no absolutely and you know you always have to see how things play out like. Use The example in the twenty eighteen season when that season started people talking play offs, you know, let's see if they can make a deep run and been your quarterback gets injured third game, and then the forty niners are lucky. You know the best case scenario for that. Use It exactly what happened, so they could get make both number to all, but you framed the question like what is what is a successful season for a team that led by ten points in the fourth quarter and the Super Bowl. My answer to be a successful season for the twenty thousand forty niners must be having a ten point lead in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, and having that same ten point lead when the when the clock strikes Zeros, so that is what it is I. Don't think there's any there's no getting around that that they go into this season fully expecting to win a super bowl. And there are a lot of guys who are coming up on the final year of their contract so. Not going to say it's either this year or whatever. But when you look at this is the. This is the time. For them to finish the job and if they don't, it's going to be even more difficult next year so That that is it, that's that's the goal. That's probably what's to define this season because I don't think even just getting to the not even getting to the Super Bowl. would be the goal of the team this year. They don't want to become. You know calcined modern buffalo bill something. Yeah, exactly, and and right now cal Shanahan at a big lead as an offensive coordinator for the Falcons, he had a big lead as the head coach of the forty niners. You know he's got to kind of get that monkey off the back to all right all the answers you need it from the the forty niners off season. What is the weird off season? But one will be with America. Thank you so much of the time. Matt. It's I I. 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Hour 2: 5/3/19

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Hour 2: 5/3/19

"The plants capture c o two what if we could help industrial plants capture it to thank you. We could help lower emissions more and more scientists than carbon capture is key to reducing CO two emissions globally. It's one way. Exxon Mobil is helping industrial plants be more like plants, that's the unexpected energy of Exxon Mobil. The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be open in five minutes capital. One. What's in your wallet capital? One NA member FDIC. Pride passion and Patrie of college football lives here. The Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. We made it to the second hour. Glad you're with us. More phone calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five conversation about the upcoming SEC football season. Let's get back to the calls and Steve is in Louisiana. Your next up. Go right ahead. Hey, thanks for working me. And thank you. Accountable hard time NAN lately with all the fusion going on graduated. Plus out of all the Tae is gone embarrassing or you know, with all this will wait stuff going around. But last week. I heard John marking you saying some good things about LSU being BU and just want to tell you pray. She ate that. And coach, oh, maybe having a number one recruiting class and twenty twenty. So hopefully, everything goes to appreciate you taking my call. Thanks, dave. Thanks for joining us today. Charles up next. Also in Louisiana. Hello, charles. Charles you there. Charles not in charge. Mike and make in Georgia. Mike will answer the call. I promise, you know, this guy. Hey, I just want to reflect a little bit on the Georgia. Florida thing went all right now. And I've been traveling to that outdoor cocktail party since nineteen eighty largely rehear I go with two or three gator. Frizz these oh since college days anyway, make a long story short my ticket to Gators. I'm a dog I sit right in the middle of gator fans. So I've caught their abused through their best times. And believe me, they're nowhere near back being what they used to be as far as fan support band era this and so forth there still look it up amount of the rock. I don't care what they say. Based on last year the way they got thrashed by Missouri. And the way they lost to Kentucky. They may be hoping. But they're just not back. Why do you think they suddenly feel like the calendar is nineteen ninety six all over again? Well. Oh, I think a lot of it is Mullen. I mean, the the best out so and you're showing a long time was that that coach Mullen has Steve Spurrier's math, and we'll must champs trophy case. And so we've seen the mouth, and that's got a few of them riled up. But we haven't seen anything in a trophy case yet until we do they just need to pipe down a little bit and going back to be in the same Gators. They've been for the last four or five years. Thank you very much. Great to have you on Ray is in Florida. And you're next gerrad Ray. Yeah. Paul thing for me on. Thank you. I want to talk a little bit about the last caller and the close of into Ford in the Florida Gators like you said they're not back yet. I think a lot of people are delusional in the sense that they don't recognize the problems that Florida has and I'm Florida fan up in line last year, couldn't stop the run all and but they're everything else on their defense is pretty good. But I don't think three French is going to be the guy that takes them all the way where you think. Listen, I don't think he is a great quarterback. I think he's serviceable, and I do think it's all about Dan Mullen. I think he has a certain degree of era. This cockiness take your pick. What word you would like to insert? And I think he's he's done a really good job of firing up to forces. And when you win when you win the last game of the year in a major bowl, and you beat so power. It's going to make you feel really good. I agree with that the other thing I wanted to talk about valid in now. I started watching the show longtime. It was out of callers, we all ban, you know, a couple here. Now almost seven ten right now. No, Nick Sabin all last year was quite complacency in every year before that team because it's gonna get complacent Macedo. Last year was fighting the fans base in the school. Which is kind of you know, scary to me because I think last year they'd had Jalen Hurd starting. I think they want it all you and they play Georgia, and they put Jalen hurt in. And he they thought oh our albums back cower running and all that. And he threw the ball trick them or else. I think it's words you would have been the national champions where you think that? Yeah. I think you're right, right. Thank you for the call really good to hear from a Assane. Florida fan frito is up next in Florida frito. Paul. Hey, but we're doing great. Thank you. I just wanted to call and I wanted to mounts that I'm officially quitting Michaud as. You're you're the you're the first of the day beat what what? The rush. Yes. At avoided prison, fresh gyms. Country club. Gator Makita fan, and I just wanna say some decent things about Georgia. I mean, I hate losing to. But they've got something that we want. We just want to get better. And they're killing it right now there, I you know, I have no ill will guest except. I'd like to beat them once in a while. But I. I just I I wanna be what they have right now. And they're they're killing. Well, listen, I think. Florida's on the way back and Mullen. Has something to prove though. I think I think everyone just assumes that Dan Mullen is is urban Meyer two point. Oh needs to pause for just a moment. No. Yeah. They're they're on the upswing. I I'll give them that. And I just wanted to continue. We can't lose the Missouri. We can't lose the Kentucky. No. And that that just that just takes away the less, but I wanna wish the Georgia fans. Good luck this year and every every game they play except for when they play us that that's it. And I think that's it in that shell Paul. Thank you frito. Great to hear from you. Neal is up next in New York Ellendale. Hey, you Paul on talk to you. So I just wanted to give a major piece of contact to the fourteen thousand mean that went long yesterday made the rounds on Twitter throughout Instagram and Facebook, and I think the main thing that missing is. I don't think anyone who tweeted that out or as a part of that ever really claimed that Florida was Alabama has no insane. Florida's the best team in the nation. But the point is more to prove that Georgia isn't really in a position to be talking any kind of smacks either. And they are so yeah, I know they won the last two games. They're still they winning percentage against Florida over the last three decades. That's barely even good for batting though. The fact that they're talking smack. Maybe that's not just good idea. Either, you know, so we just wanted to Manila, let's let's be realistic here. And I have friends who are inside that program that are saying hold on a second some of the Mike Griffin's or griffis or the world or our way out on the precipice. But. Georgia has still accomplished a great deal in the last two seasons. They become an elite program they've won a title. They nearly one a national championship there. They're recruiting at a level that Georgia has not recruited at and memory. So I'm not I'm not sure how you can can can can do an apples for apples comparison right now between Florida and Georgia. But but I'm not trying to the point is that some Ardo. Well, I mean Neil calling up not not you, but others up and making fun of the fact Georgia hasn't won. And listen, this is coming from Dan Mullen. I'm not blaming some guy on Instagram. I mean, this is this is Dan Mullen started this. Okay. I know it I can attest to it. But that's not one who who is who has changed the culture down there from the the crazy uncle in the attic, which was Jim mcelwain. Two swashbuckler, Steve Spurrier, look alike. And and it's good. But you jump point you do have to back it up and last year there were some great moments LSU Michigan. But there were some just terrible moments as well. Of course, were but the larger point is that yes, it was thirty seventeen. But Florida was down. Brad, Stuart they were down market. I don't care about all that. I really don't Neil from the year before it was like forty four to seven. Listen. Don't don't don't compare yourself to Georgia until you beat Georgia Coppee she found. Yes. Listen, paul. I'm trying to plain know, what's your to do make yourself a yield better by denigrating Georgia. That's not really the way it works in this. Let me Georgia's already there Florida is trying to get there. They may be there and some preseason rankings, but they need to back it up. Do I think they can sure. But that's on the field. But we're talking about here is hot air. We are coming right back. More to come and your phone calls listening to Paul finebaum show podcast, Jake charters joining us and Jake. Let's let's talk about these fella ratings and first of all how do you? How do how do we come up with this stuff? Well, I enjoyed listening to the Florida fans call on your show while I was waiting to come on. That was good. Good stuff. There. The way we do. It is is everybody puts in their ballot. And the average it out and I actually had the same top six as the top twenty five. I think there's a clear divide between those top sixteen top sixteen. And then everybody else, I think like seven to thirteen seven fourteen you can make a case for a lot of different teams. I actually had your longhorns Paul at number seven. Woo. So Jake, what's talk about some of the interesting. Numbers Florida eight I think most of the other ones we can we can understand. And I'm not saying Florida isn't a good team. But how do you think we come up with this eight number that is really high? For me. I had Florida. I believe it ten and even then I felt and I don't know it seems a little high for me even there but gave him the benefit of the delve given what they accomplished last season. But I think I think LSU Florida. The Mississippi State ranking is kind of confusing to me given what they lost defensively and how much they struggled on the offensive side last season. So I think the SEC really when you talk about those three teams Texas ADM's kind of recoil preseason option. You have Auburn has been so up and down under Gus malzahn. I think the SEC when you look at these rankings it's kind of interesting conference because the rains for some of these teams. I mean, I can make a case for Florida all the way up to maybe seven. And then if you didn't wanna put Florida on your top fifteen I think that K two. Talking to Jae Crowder about the rankings. Again, it is may third these things can change and they will change Jacob as we look at the top. I mean, it's I mean, I know I know I know it's been Alabama in clips and the last two years. But I mean, there doesn't seem to it seems like they're getting even farther ahead of the rest of the pack. Does not. Yeah. There's a clear gab between two and three. I mean, Clemson Alabama and then to some degree. It's everybody else. Georgia Georgia three Oklahoma. Jalen hurts for I think really in Ohio State. I put in that tier two. You could really bring these rankings in tears, and there's there's a tear at the top two teams, and nobody else even as a case for that tier? And then I think you have the Georgia yet the Oklahoma the state, maybe Notre Dame. And then I think it seven to like twelve you have another tier and you go from there. But I mean, the the easiest. The easiest part of this ranking is one in two. I mean, it's Clemson it's Alabama. And then you worry about the rest, but I can't imagine. There was anybody who filled out a ballot didn't have Clemson one in Alabama two in that order, and quite frankly is there any real way, and doesn't doesn't doesn't matter. No. But is there any real way to differentiate the two right now other than what we saw in in early January. Yeah. That's all you have to go off. And I don't think you can project out Trevor Lawrence a little bit. You would think. Okay. Didn't play his entire first season. Got better was awesome in the playoff. You would think that with what they have coming back around him that he'll be even better. Don't always work out that way. But I think if you were projecting out what Trevor Lawrence could be this season other than going off the national championship game. That's how I can figure that rank. And this time of year, you mentioned it's may third what I'm trying to do power rankings or preseason polls. I look at two things primarily who's the quarterback. And what is the schedule, and I took schedule out of the equation for this particular ballot. But when it's close I always defer to who has the better quarterback. And that's why I like Texas in Oregon so much as I feel much better about what they have a quarterback than some of the teams who I had a little bit lower. Okay. Let me stop. You. Just brought up an interesting parallel here. We have Texas in Oregon Oregon plays Auburn plays LSU. First Auburn, we don't they don't have a quarterback. Mel John is narrowed the field from twenty four to two and they're both freshman, and they both look like can't miss, but. We're talking playing Oregon who has won two or the number one two or three best quarterback in the country coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. NFL draft prospect top ten guy at least going into the season. I think it's a huge game for the Pac twelve I mean the Pac twelve desperately needs a marquee victory. I mean, you have to really go a long way back to find the last time that they'd be. And I don't even know that Auburn is necessarily that that, you know, it's not ala. Bama, it's not Georgia. But still that would be a nice win for the Pac twelve they had an opportunity last year in the opener fell short with Washington. So I think there's a huge game for for or the Pac twelve is a whole in terms of playoff reputation and right now I like Oregon just because I know what they have at quarterback. And you mentioned it's a older wild card. See what is going to have their replacing Jarrett's, and everyone loves Elvis you. I have not heard LSU fans this fired up in a long time last year. They didn't know what to make out of it. Got a good quarterback. But they take on Texas, which beatdown Georgia as you as you look at that game, many, many months of way, what do you see? Vegas right now has LSU as a favourite in Austin. And that that's me is the prize in line. I think I saw like three point favorite. I thought I would have thought Texas would have been favored given what favor given what they have coming back. What they showed in the George. Maybe wasn't motivated whatever I thought Texas was impressive in that game. And again, it's quarterback. I think Sam L anger is at top seven top eight quarterback in college football was one of only six quarterbacks in history of the FBI our five quarterbacks to I can't remember exactly what the number was. But it had a certain number of passing touchdowns rushing touchdowns divide and the other five guys one is been trophies. So I don't know that he's like a Heisman Trophy favorite. But if you were going to put him in that second tier after two Trevor Lawrence, I I wouldn't disagree with that. So in Austin Tom Herman's third season. Sam elegant quarterback. They have a lot of momentum. A lot of young talent. Because they've recruited so well, I like Texas in that game in you know, we're talking about the Pac twelve against Auburn. This is a huge game for the big twelve and this is their marquee non conference game this year. Oklahoma really doesn't play anybody that UCLA in Houston, Texas is an opportunity when the playoff committee is going to convene a November. They're gonna come back and look at this game. And look at who won. And if LSU wins this game that is going to be really bad, not just for Texas. But for the entire big twelve in terms of getting team in the playoff, Jake. We always ask you about Jalen hurts in Oklahoma. Because you spent a lot of time around their program seems like a lot of confidence coming out of spring. What did you learn? And what do you see happening as we get ready for the season? One play that sort of underscored the spring game. He scores a rushing touchdown. I think it was his last play of the spring game couple of weeks ago, and he gets the offense together to pose for a picture in the end zone, right then and there to which he said he would have never done it ala Bama with Nick Sabin that would've gone over very well. But it looks like he's really out on a lot of fun. The team has taken him to me just based on my outside observation he's the undisputed leader of that team right now, which is really interesting considering he's only been on campus three or four months now he looked terrific in the spring game. And he didn't really get a chance to run the ball much because of the no contact jersey. So there is a ton of optimism at Oklahoma about Jalen hurts and that offense CD ever Seaver and potentially the Sooners taken a step Ford defensively without scrunch here from Ohio State as the coordinator gross stuff. From Jake Trotter Jake comeback soon. We always appreciate it. Thanks, Paul Jake. Charter joining us, we'll get back to your calls. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five a lot to do on a Friday afternoon. You're listening to Paul finebaum show podcasts. Chris up next in Oklahoma. Just because we're talking a lot about Oklahoma. Chris nice of you to join us. Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So you Paul. Hey, I was calling you. And I just wanted to preface my call with with just a little bit. I've got to get them off but shit. So I listen to you leading up to the college football playoffs bash. Mice owners, you gave us no chance to get Alabama. And I get it. I get it that first half is pretty lacklustre. But we came out there to second hand. But I guess right now what I'm trying to figure out is going to this season. Here's that Paulo. We have the quarterback we have Jalen hurts as you just heard Mr. Trotta was speaking glowingly about him. We have the office of blue ruin coach while we have an amazing receiving core. And now we have the missing piece I believe that we have the defense. I left that spring game. Somewhat more impressed with the defense, and I did the office. So I guess Paul. My question for you is just your. You're at Tennessee, man. But at our fans, but what is it gonna take to get you on your bed? It's gonna take it's gonna take a lot. Chris. Yeah. I'm a fan. But I I have to see it to believe it. I mean, listen, I'll I'll take your word for the defense. Let me see it first. Okay. All right. I got nice to call. Charles is in Louisiana. Did we tried a few minutes ago? Yeah. That's me. Charles. What happened you? I couldn't hear the TV. And all oh, okay. I'm glad you're back. Charles. Yeah. What what about LSU? Yeah. What about what you what you think about? I think that could be Texas. I heard y'all talking about them. Listen, I'm high on LSU. They're they're they're my favorite team right now. I mean, that's just I mean. Coach. Oh. But, but I I like to turn, you know, picked up some pretty good players and stuff, you know. That's like that, you know. But I just I looked to have a good season. I'm thinking we've got to get over that help with Alabama. Hey, how are you going to do that? How are we going to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Clemson could do it. I think you can do it. Got to play some good defense. That's how you beat. You know, you know, how you beat Alabama. Yep. Place mar football. First of all, I don't know about that. The first thing to do is you have to try to win the game. And you really think at ores you're on tried to win the game last year. No. So so that that's all it takes. All I'm saying to coach. Oh, hey, just just go for the haymaker on the opening play the game. Don't don't don't play play cute. Alabama will kill you. If you do that. And I thought that's been his I mean, he's he's got a really good team there. They will be better next year. And right, even though the game exclusive, I give them a much better shot this year than I did last year. Right, right. But I see that recruiting class. Listen. But you know, we act like LSU is always recruited poorly. I mean, this is a big time program here, you know, that you're a fan. I think what he is. He's finally gotten LSU back to where it was before before restaurant. Ran it off the road. Yeah. Right. But we'll see, you know. Okay. And play it out and see what have. Okay, appreciate you call. They may call and that was the first time call in the second time, we call back but pre sheet. You did great first timer. Now. It's always tough the first time. Chris up next in Georgia. Hello Chris able how you doing? We are great Chris. Thank you for the call for some caller, all so wonderful, man. We're. Yeah. I just wanted to on something that you brought up a few minutes ago about Molin being nine against Georgia. Well, actually, it's Kirby. But and John said that wasn't fair, but it is fair. I mean, well, by the way, it's fair in this context. It's offense of coach versus defensive coach. And I realized that Kirby was only responsible for so much. But it doesn't matter what the record is. But but it's just a a measuring stick. And by the way to say that Mississippi State is not in the same league as Alabama. That's not really accurate either. I mean, Dan Mullen had that program going there were number one in the country. They had deck Prescott when they played Alabama in two thousand and fourteen you know, who the higher ranked team was it was Mississippi State. Yeah. Well, you know, we know I mean defense wins championships. I mean, I display that I mean, I think that's what wins ball games. And I think you see that. I mean, you know, you. Yeah. You gotta have a balance program. But ultimately, if you don't have a good defense, you're not going either at the end, so no. And I listen, I think. I mean, Kirby smart took over a good program. The and made it significantly better. Dan took over an average program. But Florida wasn't in the in the in the tank, and in fact, I think I think Florida had a diesel pretty decent defense. They just were lacking. I just had a coach who I to this day. I don't know what happened to Jim mcelwain. I mean, he just I think the job was just too big for him. Yeah. Well, I I don't know. I just kind of find it funny, though, the Molins run as mouth now. I mean, I I mean, obviously, I'm a dog fan. But. He is running his mouth, I can confirm that. And that's who he is. He's a very confident coach he's got us Wagner and he's brought this wag back to Gainesville. But. You better do more than just talk. Exactly. I mean, he's he's trying to get in the head of all the Georgia fans. And and Kirby he won't and all these dune is providing bulletin board. Here if you if you go into Kirby's inner sanctum right Now, Dan Mullins not the team that he's thinking about beating. You're right. He's got to figure out how to beat Alabama. And I mean, I think the two programs are different levels. I'm not saying Florida can't close the gap. But right now, I mean, I don't look at for those of you who wanna live on what the ESPN ranking show today careful because Georgia has only got a couple of commitments their ranking. We'll go up they know what they're doing over. There surely do Mullins just a a little dog nip and on Georgia's heels right now right now, the two big dogs are Alabama Georgia that you're absolutely correct. Hey, thanks for the call. Great to have you. This is cool. This joy. I mean, I'm I'm somewhat relieved to hear to fan bases going at it. Other than Alabama fans going after me Swamy is up next. How are Swami? Hey, great. Oh. Has major breaking news today. Paul with last night, the fifth overall pick in the Canadian football lead to Winnipeg blue bombers select Jonathan combo defensive in Tennessee. So they're officially off plop now Paul I mean, it was beautiful at work today. He's Tennessee fans and my friends of mine just had their chest puffed out. You know, you gotta take what you can't listen, Tennessee. This is not your grandfather. Or your father's Tennessee football program. It's absolutely. The the success stories are slightly smaller than they used to be and one last thing. Which I called out for, you know, come for second Hyun, you're casting now damaged boy, I'm tell you suck and up on a man, then takes cow. I'm gonna call you for calling Neo. We'll take a break. Which Friday afternoon in case you couldn't figure that out. We are having fun. It's comes once a week. And you only get those spring Fridays for a couple of weeks, and they take us off the air listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got their long get there. I'll learn to get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button, do but this button, do what's this? I believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We'll go back. Greg is up next. Hey, greg. Hey, Paul, thanks for taking my call. Thank you know of a heard early sense people calling in cancelling or not wanting listen anymore. And I just wanted you to know that I have renewed my Paul scripture for the come and see. Okay, we needed it. We were close to an answering. So you gotta call this. Rodney Dangerfield Friday. Because lately, this seems a lot of teams are fans calling up saying, we're not getting any respect, you know. It reminds me of that time when Missouri had come off three SEC championships. And this guy called you said, hey, we're not getting any respect, and you pointed out that they were getting plastered every time. It got much like Florida few years ago when they went three years in a row, it's it's one thing to get there. But you gotta do something. Once you get there. So I think. Greg. I think and I've been part of a lotta rivalries, and you have to when you're number one calling card is negative energy directed at your your rival not having won something in a long period of time. That's not going to get it done, especially when they beaten you two straight years. Exactly. So you know, when ole miss beat Alabama two years in a row that's something to talk about. And Florida doesn't yet. So the only way that you garner. Good positive claiming accreditation is by taking your talent and achieving at a higher level than you did in the Florida is one of those schools in. I think we had a discussion in the SEC they in terms of their their their self worth. And what they believe in what they think they're worth their on. I think if you had to rank that if you're if you're if you had dented fans and say, okay, who are you in the SEC Florida fans feel like they are on the on the same shelf as Alabama. Just going to say Paul I agree that when they call in. It's almost as if they only feel like they're one or two years removed from urban Meyer suback toback now in fairness I've done chosen album time, even when Alabama was in the wilderness. They still felt like they belong because they used to talk about the past. Now, they talk about the future because the president they're trying to nor. But well point is Alabama fans even in the worst of times, Greg. Would would they never felt they were that their stock had dropped. They would they would throw up how many ever ever many national championships? And they would talk about what they were going to do in the future. And the Gators are similar to that. I mean, even even during some pretty dark years they and maybe because I was there two weeks ago, and I saw the trophies sitting and Dan Mullins office. It reminded me of of their recent past. I mean, the the Gators are not shying on confidence. And that's the one thing about Georgia that they have to overcome at some point naming naming the field after Vince Dooley is great. It will not bring you a national championship though. So all these preseason. Polls are nice all the talk about you know, everybody's talking right now that there's a, you know in the top ten and that their defense is going to be better. And they're going to win ten games. Never wanted. Third act is everybody can't win. And I I'm hearing. I'm hearing LSU fans talk about recruiting all of a sudden, I mean, listen is may and you better find anything you can to wrap your arms around because the reality is for months from now the real stuff starts, well and all I could say for LSU fan. Florida press conference at the end when they didn't score any points against Alabama last year. Yeah. I mean that that when you said just a few minutes ago as overture on didn't play to win because he doesn't know how to win against Alabama. Now, he's better by new book. The book us last year did not help. Hey, thanks, Greg. Great always great to hear from you. Let's continue. Kenny is in West Virginia. Go right ahead. Kenny. Hey, how you doing great? Thank you. You know, I went to Florida when we had Galen hall. So I I actually have seen some good times. And I've seen some bad times too. And I'm still here. I've seen more bad times. The, you know, lately, obviously, you know, some of the good times I've seen three national title since ninety six like like you mentioned which is more than any school tipped Alabama. You know, and I do know. And I, you know, I'm I'm I'm a realist, I do admit we've been looking up at Georgia the past two years, but you know, Mike there said, oh, they had a a trophy trophy case. And we need to get some ignoring the facts won't change facts. We have national titles trophies not SEC championships. And in light of how you ended against Texas and what we did to the number one defense in the country in our last game. I wouldn't be beating my chest. Period. Go Gators go Gators. Go Gators Bill is Intel ahead. Hey, bill. Hey, how you doing? Well, thank you. All right. Can you? Grant me one wish we spoke in a couple of times. And I'm an old cater. I have a handle. I've used on sports talk radio for decades and the internet these days, I'm known as Terminator can use. That term Agadir is on the air. Go right ahead. Thank you, sir. You know, four to fan base Georgia fan basis or two huge fan bases and both of them have their fringes. So I just enjoy sitting back and watching this listen to this the smack I'll go back and forth of but as far as the head to head things Mullen, Kirby smart, can we just count hit the head when their head coaches. Do we have? That's what we should do. But I I was just trying to to make a show a comparison because many gator fans wanted just totally dismiss Kirby's career. And I don't think you can do that. No. I don't think we should dismiss either career. They're both fine. Careers. And is far as you. You tend to say when it comes to arrive room when the gazing play, Georgia, Florida. It's Florida Georgia is Appleby e f g oh, okay. I went to. I went to grammar school in in Tennessee. Well, at least you have all your teeth. I think the Batabano right now, I've got something going on in my mouth. All right. Paul great to talk to you. Sports for fun not for animals to the okay term gator. I like that. Thank you, sir. Have a great day. Thank you very much. Okay. We we made it to the halfway point of the Friday afternoon show. Yeah. We're all here. We just need to figure out a way to make it the next couple of hours, you we'll take your calls that already had some really good guests amazingly good conversation too. And we are coming right back.

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Episode 8: What We Learned from Preseason Week 1, NFC

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Episode 8: What We Learned from Preseason Week 1, NFC

"<music> i and welcome to episode eight of the official established run dot com podcast. My name is adam levitan. I'm one of the cofounders year at e._t._r. And today i am joined by my partners endeavor the man who actually made the mistake of attending a real life n._f._l. Game last week rather than watching it with his internet friends like the rest most of us normal people it is of course one only evan silva evan. What's going on yeah. Yeah went to the bears panthers preseason opener at soldier field it was it was definitely a fun experience went with buddy kevin brock. He is <hes> an e._t._r. Subscriber he had a good night on <hes> was a thursday on saturday onside aturday. Yeah you're right. You like seventeen. Next is entry so <hes> was was happy for him is that he had a very nice night but <hes> yeah time <hes>. I'm sorry david montgomery really stood out. We'll get you. We'll get you at all talk about. We'll talk about it when we talk about the panthers and the bears yeah as i mentioned last episode hope you guys listened to episode seven the a._f._c. version of this but the plan for this week is to release a few podcasts for for you guys n._f._c. Takeaways from the first week of preseason a not about precinct but things that we think you guys will be able to use a going forward for the regular season nuggets that we saw aw <hes> from the first preseason games and then a bit later this week we will go over. Some of the changes in value that we've seen changes at evan is made to his top one fifty the i think it's really important interesting to stay on top of that on a weekly basis and as always really think that you'll enjoy and benefit from the content that we have on established run dot com whether you're getting ready for a season long draft whether you're getting ready for the best season whether you're playing the great the truly great game of preseason d._f._s. I think you will find find value it over at our site established run dot com all right enough promos heaven. Let's get to the business here. We're gonna go team by team to the n._f._c. z. Enough medical order today what we saw <hes> atlanta evan. We've seen atlanta twice now. We still haven't seen the ice. We still haven't seen julio jones or war devante freeman. We have seen i think to most people with two is that brian. Hill looks way better than ito smith. What are you seeing out of atlanta and these two games yeah. That's really the only topic that we i mean matt. Ryan's locked in you know that three receiver set is locked down of julio calvin really muhammed sue austin hooper is locked in you know devante. Freeman is locked down. I'm glad that they're not playing devante freeman these games i want his body is as healthy as as it could possibly be entering the season sent the important. <hes> situation to monitor is yeah as you mentioned who was number two back for the falcons. Your smith has been outplayed played by brian. Hill inquiry listen so far by a pretty good distance <hes> in the preseason and because of davonte freemen's sort of breaking down body. I don't wanna say that. His body is broken down but i mean there are signs of it. Because of how often he's been injured over the past few seasons then that number to back position becomes more important. I think the brian hill has looked like the best back so far for the falcons this preseason <hes> he is. It looks like he lost fifteen pounds. I mean i've never seen this dude. Look this lean. He closed out last season. Really strong had twenty carries over the over. The past few games average like six yards per carry showed some big playability as a runner. He was a workhorse at wyoming he was the feature back they really built the offense around brian hill and not josh allen at wyoming when he was there and he's shown some accurate in the passing game which he did not really show <hes> at wyoming so so far this preseason i think if you deserve to get that number two job and i say that even as an edo smith dynasty owner <hes> i just think brian hill deserves it. I wanna be a brian hill dynasty dynasty owner at this point. I also own quadri alison in dynasty but i think the brian hill is the best back <hes> behind devante freeman backfield based based on what we've seen so far in based on what we saw last year yeah and generally speaking. I just want to be high on atlanta this year as a whole going into this season i mean offense coordinator. Change thirteen don't games emphasis that they've placed on the offensive line. I think calvin really can make a step forward in your to getting devante freeman healthy. There's a lot to like. I think for this atlanta offense <hes> this season so i want to be high on them anyways. Let's go to arizona a lot of that was like the game that everybody wanted to watch in the preseason because cuyler murray was i was going to play <hes>. They didn't really unleash. I think what they're actually use in week one like they didn't run what clip kingsbury going to run in week one. They played it very close to the vest but still i thought tyler was pretty impressive. He just took a bunch of short throws underneath thirds but he was really accurate. I didn't run it. All wasn't forced to run at all. What did you think of cuyler murray's n._f._l. N._f._l. debut heaven yeah and those quick passes and he's such a quick twitch mover. He might be the quickest twitch like quarterback in the n._f._l. Already <hes> but yeah those short passes this is where he just gonna take what the offense gives you in <hes> let the receivers you try to create a runoff for cash chances that is a staple of the cliff kingsbury offense from texas tech in protects the offensive line. We've got this data draft. Guide six years of texas tech texas tech had one offensive lyman drafted in six years under cliff kingsbury. They did not have offensive line talent at texas tech and but they had one of the the fourth lowest sacree n._c._w._a. N._c._w._a. football during that six year stretch so he knows how to deal with an offensive line that is talent efficient and the cardinals have a talent deficient asian offensive line <hes> and we're gonna see a lot of that quick passing and a in arizona this year and that's why those slot receivers eat like shaquille grant not at texas tech. We're trying to figure out exactly who those slot receivers are going to be <hes> but they didn't give us any clues in the first game. They're out there huddling taking taking their time. That's not what we're going to see in the regular season. I thought it was interesting that on the eleven snaps that kyle murray played david johnson had seven which is fine but she's edmunds had four and now he's a guy that i think if they can get to that i mean they're not gonna run ninety or even eighty plays per game whatever they've said but if they can get up into the top five top four in place per game in the n._f._l. Chase edmunds might end up getting more work than i think a lot of people anticipate and of course he's got that handcuff that upside with being a straight handcuff if something happens to david johnson continues to be one of the best late round picks in all a fantasy. You have totally agree i and also i don't know what they're doing. They're wide receiver usage but you mentioned climbers. Eleven snaps. I mean christian kirk. Only on five of them to marry bird was in one eleven of them so so it's not something i'm worried about it just like a rotating guys in <hes> but yeah just something to note there on christian kirksey still think that christian kirksey larry fitzgerald are locked in is the top two wideouts for the cardinals this season but i will be monitoring that situation. Let's go to carolina man and two of my favorite preseason players. I don't have a lot of notes here on the regular season to finish preseason players lord all jack robinson and rashad ross combined for one catch for five yards. You really hate to see it evan. Do you have anything on carolina. This was the game that i went to. I didn't really have a ton of takeaways. I i was watching most closely in the second half when it was elisha holyfield in reggie boffon elisha holyfield's score two touchdowns touchdowns but he just looked slow out there couldn't be anyone around the edge and that falls in line with the fact that he ran a four seven eight forty jordan jordan scarlet. Who was their fifth round pick. He was inactive due to a back injury. He's missed several days of practice. You know he's probably not even locked into that not number two running back job bob anymore. Cameron artis payne is cameron artis payne. You know just doesn't really the coaches love him. He does play on special teams. I thought reggie bonifant actually look the best among running backs that played in the game of course e._m._c. did not <hes> but yeah there weren't too many takeaways from the panthers preseason opener will greer played a little bit. He showed some moxie but but you know he's a fourth round. Rookie quarterback in those guys are usually longshots yup all right. Let's move to a situation that i think does have some raiders season impact and that's the way david montgomery gumri played for the chicago bears in that game <hes> free cares for sixteen yards and touchdown on the ground and then also had three catches for thirty yards. Do you think <hes> <hes> david montgomery's usage in this game suggests that <hes> he's lower the depth chart than we thought or was he played so well that <hes> he's moving up the depth chart. How do we see david montgomery coming out of this game. Will i thought this game <hes> it was at soldier field and every time that they like hit a field goal or extra point the crowd just corrupted like maggie like has the entire city of chicago obsessed with this kicker situation. It's it's out of control. You you go to a bar and start talking about the bears like the first thing that someone will bring up is damn kicker situation now because he and he's made such a production of it. It's just it's it's out of control. It's like so like no one else is doing that. No-one else's obsessing about a damn kicker anyways. Mike davis started started the game like mike davis. She's a replacement level back. That can kinda do everything you know kind of jack of all trades master of none david montgomery came in and he looked exactly like he did at iowa state. He's tough as hell to tackle us rock solid in the passing game. He's not a breakaway a speedster but he's going to break tackles. He had the most broken tackles in all of n._c. Double a. last season and that is very much a translatable trait as is his versatility yeah. I think that he is despite the fact that he played technically played behind. Mike davis in this game. I think he's definitely going to leave the team and touches <hes> <hes> but i don't think he's going to get like three hundred touches <hes> because i think that they are going to incorporate mike davis and they're most certainly going to incorporate to re cohen <hes> <hes> we should not this game. Anthony miller left with an ankle injury which didn't look great so we'll have our i <hes> on that. Let's go to dallas where twenty pollard started and he kinda got the starter treatment evan a one drive for tony pollard than they took him out. I'm pretty sure that zeke elliot actually does hold down into the regular season which i don't think that he will but if he doesn't pretty sure that tony pollard is going to be the feature back one at home against the giants <hes> do you have the same take. Yeah only played nine snaps. They got him out of there. In a hurry he did play with the ones alfred. Morris was healthy d._n._p. But after the game jerry jones came out and said <hes> yeah we think that tony capable of carrying the full load if he needs to he really is more of like along the lines of an alvin kamara era tight back you know so. I don't think he's going to be like an every down workhorse necessarily but it could be a guy you know what did alvin kamara average after mark ingram came back last year sixteen point seven touches touches per game you know i think that that's within the range of outcomes if ezekiel elliott's holdout extends into the regular season tony pollard is an explosive obsessive explosive dude you got hundred four passes in three seasons at memphis brought back six kickoff returns to the house averaged seven yards per carry and they're really excited about him and they should be. I thought he was an awesome. Pick in the fourth round. <hes> darwin stood out in this game and you know the reports out of training training camp have been darwin looks a lot better probably unsurprisingly then thirty-seven-year-old jason witten <hes> took blake darwin in <hes> the pros vs joes tight end premium on <hes> on my f- my my twenty eighth round pick <hes> and i and you know if you're playing in that kind of a format it's best ball league and you have twenty six like you've gotta take three kickers and to defenses but i think he's a really good tight end. Four hit four catches for fifty one yards on five targets in this game and he was pretty good down the stretch last year. Let's go to detroit detroit <hes> they did give c. J. anderson a little bit of work which surprised me some but no matthew stafford know kerryon johnson no kenny golladay. I didn't really have any takeaways out of detroit. Did you know no yeah. That's the only thing that i had written down. No carry on which i think is a good thing <hes> and then she j a anderson three snaps to carey's didn't didn't even get yet <hes> thai thai johnson much work which was disappointing now. No takeaways doc was other than that <hes> in green bay. You know i i know people have been wanting dexter williams to push aaron jones to push <unk> williams. I mean they treated dexter. Williams not that twelve for preseason <unk> fifteen touches. It's not the way you would use someone that you think we'll have a big role in i would also note evan that aaron jones returned to practice saturday from his hamstring injury injury immediately back with the first string not the way that can see treated damien williams. Damian williams got back from his hamstring injury. He was still <hes> he was placed with the backups. Aaron jones right back again with a starters after his hamstring tweak. A what do you think about the running back situation in green bay now. We'll guy really wanna talk about. Tim boyle all right. This dude comes out uh-huh five pass attempts to touchdowns man. How about that touchdown rate <hes>. I wish you go. We got to see more and like i wanna see tim boyle play man you know but he did his work if you played them in preseason d._f._s. He kinda paid off in bypass. I pass attempts but dextra williams yeah fifteen touches eighty yards. I thought he played well as a runner and as a receiver but he he did have a mix up in pass pass protection allowed his quarterback too hurried and the bi writers have been saying that he's been dropping the ball and practice way too much and matlock floor when when he's been asked about dexter williams. He's been very kind of on the fence. You know he hasn't been like oh. We're really excited about decks or anything like that. He's been like you know. He's got a ways to go. <hes> you know we need to see more from him so hopefully he can make improvements over the course of training camp. I do think he's got a spot on the fifty three in all likelihood <hes> i i would expect him to continue to get a lot of touch this preseason all right. Let's go to another rookie running back with the los angeles rams and there's a theory out there and i think i kind of by this that actually ty girlies direct backup is malcolm brown and darryl henderson is going to have a role regardless. Same role of weather girly is in or girlies out <hes> darryl harrison did play get six carries. Malcolm brown did not play. What did you think of the way henderson was using. Any thoughts outs on that theory. I just opposed. I don't know about that. I think that that's very much up for grabs. It's another situation where if todd gurley were to miss time time then darryl henderson would be like the alvin kamara and malcolm brown will be like the mark ingram. Gerald henderson is just so much more explosive than malcolm brown <hes> malcolm brown i mean he went undrafted out of texas. He wasn't super productive. It's access. <hes> you know the deal that the lyon signed to sign him to i mean and then you know the rams matched. It was two years three point three million. You know it's not like i mean i think that he is a between the tackles grinder and i think that he will have a role if todd gurley mrs time but i still think that gerald henderson i would be most explosive back on the team and darryl henderson persson isn't like small. He's five eight two eight. You know that's not that's not small by any means and he did handle the vast majority of the load at memphis and he can catch passes and he's the guy to own for sure. I do think that i own malcolm brown and multiple dynasty leagues and you know i think he's worth with raw string nair and he's probably worth rostering in deep bench. <hes> season leagues but darryl henderson offers a lot more upside one thing i wanted to note i was listening to you are the winner podcast with robert mays and kevin clark. They do a great job. One of my favorite <unk> like quote unquote real football podcast listen to <hes> robert mays went to rams camp for two days. One thing that stood out to him in practice was the fact that the rams were using more multiple tight end sets. That's you know they have been an eleven personnel. Almost one hundred percent of the time team since sean mcvay got there but they've been practicing with a lot of two tight end sets that would really help gerald whatever it who's <hes> a._d._p. Titan thirty we have him. I think titan twenty three so we're way ahead of consensus on him. <hes> you know this. This is applicable applicable mainly to deep leagues but also could become a streamer if his snaps go up and if you look at how his snaps like really ascended as last season progress part of that had to do of course with cooper copying out but they may. I think they could limit cooper cup early in the season. You talked to dr chow right about cooper. Cup would not after say about him. He had dr chow. I chatted about cooper cub because i just wasn't sure there was a lot of speculation out there. Somebody asked me oh. Is this going to be like tommy. John now wear air guys. Come back stronger from a._c._l. Tears and dr child thinks definitely not and you know he's a little bit bearish on cooper cop early in the season despite all the positive reports <hes> at a camp so it's just something to note. I mean doctor. Dr chow certainly is not examined cooper cop. He hasn't been ashrams campaign. He does not think that medicine and has advanced enough to the point where we think cooper cup can be back in eight months and be stronger than he was before so <hes> yeah it's hard to decipher i think between cup cooks and woods for a lot of people i think the injury alone would make cup lasts for me and i think we talked about in the last podcast or one of the most recent ones i agree with you. That brandin cooks we my favorite. It added three just for the for the ceiling. <hes> we didn't see any of those guys because sean mcvay. Jr is never plays his starters in preseason anyway so it doesn't really matter <hes> okay okay. Let's go to minnesota and before we get to the actual <hes> actionable news from this mike boone man i mean i don't know why they only gave him four carries but he broke off a sixty four yard touchdown run due to just a total freak you noted he was second in the two thousand eighteen our class behind saquon barkley only in terms of spark due to just an absolute monster and crushing in the preseason the last two years put him on dallas as the feature back runs for fifteen hundred guards. I guarantee it evan out anyways <hes>. I think what one thing that we saw the vikings. This year is going to be a ton of twelve personnel. Their best formation is for sure irv smith covered off stefan digs adam feeling and keep a wide receiver throughout the field because like chad bb or whatever else they use a wide receiver three. It's just not going to be as good as that formation so i just think that's something to note formation wise <hes> from them. What did you see adam minnesota in their first preseason game yet at touchdown run for me was huge. That's fifty. Four touchdown right was a huge swing in preseason d._f._s. <hes> <hes> it was like towards the end of the game <hes> and it was it was you to really make a jump at that point. You needed that yeah pants off. Full full pants off intercourse. Yeah freaked out when that happens <hes> but he's clearly still behind alexander madison. I think it was it was kinda promising a little bit and it's the first preseason game but every running back that they played crushed <hes> alexander madison was rock solid early in the game then mike moon came in and he had a sixty four yard touchdown run on mir abdulah looked really good angelo henderson closed out he was rock solid and that's going to be the emphasis of their team this year. They're going to play a lot of two tight end. Sets third receivers chad bb. <hes> you know we. We've already talked about him. He's one hundred and seventy pounds and runs four seven. He's going to be in the slot. Adams going to play outside a lot more this year. When when chad bb was on the field last year eighty percent of the time he was in the slot. Adam feeling was fifty seven percent slot plot. I think that we can probably project him to be more around. Like forty five percent slot this year. <hes> which is a little bit of a concern to main concern for these guys is that the volume probably just isn't going to be there in the passing offense anymore with mike zimmer the way that he wants to operate offensively and darryl bevill as the the new o._c. Replacing past <unk> happy john filipo down the depth chart tyler conklin played really well this game he can block to an irv smith was heavily utilized. I think that kyle rudolph. I think they might scale his his snaps back this year. I know that he technically got that extension. That extension has zero eero guaranteed money beyond two thousand nineteen. Maybe the fakest contract extension i've ever seen and i think that this is gonna be his last here. In minnesota and i think that they may scale he was terrible last year as a run blocker as a pass blocker and nothing as a pass catcher <hes> and i think that he is going to be real like he's going to be scaled back. Don't don't draft how rudolph fisher out. I want to know evan and i think a big story or a big price on draftkings is adam feeling at home against the falcons at sixty eight hundred and he's going to be extremely popular and so making decisions on him <hes> in following the way he's used. I think we'll be extremely important for week. One on decay. Let's go to the new orleans saints <hes> so many people evan think oh markets gone. <hes> abattoirs can be used the way he wasn't the first four weeks of last season. He's gonna get the ball twenty six twenty seven twenty eight times as we noted on episode one of this podcast. That's not the way sean payton wants to play it and he showed that in the first preseason game <hes> they had a fifteen snap drive on their first dr camara had ten snaps tvs murray had five snaps and i think that's basically the way they want to do it like something around sixty five thirty five is what we are expecting evidence bang the drum for people to draft the tables murray mall off season <hes> it was kind of as expected of it yeah i agree with that <hes> they're certainly not going to make alvin alvin kamara the like a twenty five per game guy not no way i think his project projections should probably be in the range of sixteen to eighteen and touches per game and i think that latavius murray should probably be nine to twelve and then there will be games where they're ahead head and their offensive line just a kick ass unit is going to be dominating and they're just gonna put latavius it back there. You know he's turned thirty pounds and you know he's gonna end up with twenty touches you know and he's probably gonna be favorite when they're at the one yard line to be in there. <hes> i like that. Latavius caught three passes in one quarter. That's not something that i have really really been anticipating from. What's a._d._s. is catching a bunch of passes and i i still don't but i like to see it <hes> and then in their three receiver eleven personnel package of course versus jared cook at tight end but then it looks like it's going to be michael thomas in the slot with ted gain in trae kwan smith outside. I think that michael thomas is slot. Percentage could actually go up this year. He's really been on a per yona percentage basis on a rate basis. He's been like the best slot receiver in the league over the last two seasons but he's only like thirty percents slot if we could get him up to like forty five percent slot you know i i'd be excited about that and then you've got to burners on the outside and intend and ted ginn and entry smith all right. Let's go to the giants swear daniel jones. I mean kind of the laughing stock of the draft. Daniel jones went five. I five for sixty seven yards with a touchdown. I've already spoken to giants fans. Evan who are saying see ghetto did know what he was doing with daniel jones jones. What was your takeaway after watching the giants opener now i mean i just i'm tired of july manning. I hope that daniel daniel jones is good. I don't care about my like pre-draft expectations for daniel jones. I just wanna see decent football fan of football. I wanna i want. I want watchable football. Aw an ally manning does not provide that django jones is like athletic and if they can get him to be decisive and accurate with the football then it's gonna be you know just the fact that he can move is going to make their offensive line. Look better immediately. You're right. He was five for five for sixty five yards and a touchdown then. The game got delayed by lightning. I was expecting him to go back. In after the lightning delay you did not go back in and i kinda thought you know why did he not go back. In or the giants <unk> too scared because they make all their decisions based on sentimentality and like feelings and i my thought in my mind you know are are they not putting daniel jones back in because it just would stir up a quarterback controversy. They just live in fear of the fan base which reacted so strongly driven by mike francesa when they when ben mcadoo benched eli manning either way ben mcadoo was right but they are way too loyal to ally manning. It's just it's outrageous. Give me daniel jones. Please any other giants. Take sides now. That's all i got all right. <hes> the philadelphia w eagles do not play carson winston play a bunch of other starters but they did split the quote unquote first teamwork pretty much down the middle between jordan howard and miles sanders. We've talked a lot about miles. Sanders talked a lot about him. During our three fifty drive. We are relying on him very much so optimistic. I mean the beat reports out of camp on mile. Standards are just absolutely through roofer now also in this game. Dow's goddard unfortunately hurt his calf. He is week-to-week which i think is a concern given we already had concerns about <hes> target a volume and snap volume. Dow's goddard this year. What did you see out of the eagles. Yeah not love dallas qatar but like you can't draft them right now. Because first of all he goes multiple rounds ahead of where he should and now he's like questionable for week. One calf injuries are not easy to deal with <hes> so that that's absolutely a concern <hes> yet mile sanders jordan howard had three carries a piece no targets for either guy. We can just move onto the next one all right. Let's go to san francisco and man what what a mess at wide receiver. I actually got. I mean like i. I wasn't really making an ups but i was like dante. Pettis fifty four hundred on decay <hes> against tampa bay in week one was sticking out to me however the camp reports on dante pettis have been awful. Cow shanahan has called him out that he's not staking a claim as the number one wideout hideout getting pushed by deebo. Samuel jalen hurd <hes> markey's good when kendrick born who whoever else are you buying this dante pettis struggling stuff where where you add with this wide receiver corn cisco because jalen hurd <hes> i mean jalen hurd was preseason style. We were on them. He absolutely balled out yeah i i am. I'm buying it. I am buying it. <hes> i mean kyle shanahan has talked about it repeatedly talked about it after the preseason opener and then he talked about it again the day after they played their preseason opener on sunday <hes> he said that starting roles are up for grabs. Dante pettis played in this game. Jimmy garoppolo did not george cadle did not got dante pettis played in this game and he played a decent number of snaps and it didn't have a catch and then deebo. Samuel came in three touches for seventy five yards. Jalen hurd smashed two touchdowns <hes> so i. I think that there's absolutely concern for for dante pettis right now. He convicts that that you know i i i still really like dante pettis. I think that his a._d._p. Probably does deserve to drop a little bit but if it does. I'm probably going to continue to take them if you move down the the ninth round or something and i think deebo samuel has been undervalued throughout this and i myself have undervalued jalen hurd because i just wanted to see something something. I didn't know how is going to be used. You know i didn't know if he was like a backup. Tight end. Kyle shanahan even talked about using him as tight end. He's been a slot and z receiver receiver so far in training camp ended the preseason and he's huge she six five two thirty. You can see it like he got a like on a crossing route easy catch on a crossing route on his on his first touchdown and you could see like the way he finished that run. I mean he just wrecks ran right through two guys to to finish that t._d. You could see his running back mentality on that play so he's a guy that like he's going to be exciting for a coach to put out dairyman because he's got incredible versatility. He's a really really good athlete. He's a mismatch treater in the slot. You can even use them at running back. You know oh because they've got kevin coleman. They've got a matt breda and then the other guys are falling by the wayside jerk. Mckinney looks like he might open. The season on injured reserve <hes> jeffrey wilson. It looks like he's going to get cut. He's he's been out for a long time with a calf injury. <hes> raheem mostert it was concussed in the preseason opener <hes> so i think the jalen hurd <unk> that'd be really intrigued. He starts to get some reps as a running back in practice this week. That's something i'll be looking looking out for. Last year's forty niners backfield collectively and the surgery bar stat collectively forty niners running backs had the fifth most yards from scrimmage in the n._f._l. And we've kind of narrowed the backfield down to two guys <hes> assuming that jaylen her does not enter the mix which is a possibility <hes> but it's narrow down at seven coleman and matt breda breda is severely undervalued right now as a guy that you can still get in the ninth and tenth round <hes>. He is an awesome zero r._v. depict. He's going to open the season with a role. <hes> kevin coleman is not going to be a workhorse. I don't think and there was another development in this game is trent. Taylor suffered a jones fracture. Trent taylor was expected to open the season as the forty niners starting slot receiver and jones fracture. That's that's not good man that that is not good <hes> <hes> and so that opens up that sought role four jalen hurd to be a week one star. He's a guy that i got to put him. Atop fifty at this point yeah and we're gonna go through top top. One fifty changes obviously still top one fifty list. You can find it in the draft. We're gonna go through changes on the draft. I'm interested to get your take based on a lot of the san francisco. Oh running back news because i do like ten. Maybe a little bit more than you and i do agree with you that meritas great pick. Let's go to seattle where they didn't play chris carson but rashad. I penny played a ton. I think sharp penny might have even played until like deep into the second quarter <hes> and then you quoted <hes> an interview that pete carroll did today where pete carroll just raving about chris carson in the past game saying chris carson had the best hands on the team. I mean it seems evan like all systems. Go for chris carson right now. What did you make any playing a lot and peak heralds comments yeah that was definitely <hes> something that stood out out in this game seven touches in twenty snaps would not have anticipated rashad penny playing that much under any circumstance <hes> but clearly they haven't seen seen enough from rashad penny and he's got something to prove <hes> and then he had carol did a <hes> an interview on serious and he said the chris carson might have the best hands on the team. He's gonna catch more balls this year for sure and statistically first of all. You know what pete carroll's been right about chris carson people talk about how pete carol always sunny about players. Will you know what he's been right about chris carson because he talked him up all last year all last offseason people laughed at them. All they use the first round pick on reshad penny they gotta they gotta play him right well. When push came to shove no chris carson was the stud. He missed suit games a still finished top five in the n._f._l. Rushing yards and you mike davis out of the backfield hundred forty six touches. He led the team in a ah backfield targets with forty three going to have to throw the ball more this year first of all. It's really hard to repeat. How how oh hello there. Pass attempts total was last year. That's just hard to repeat you know they're gonna regress the other way and then let's talk about their defense right now because this defense is in shambles bobby wagner <hes> just underwent p._r._p. Injection on lower on a lower body injury out indefinitely jarran reed their best defensive tackle suspended six games l. j. collier their first round pick suffered a severe ankle injury out indefinitely frank clark gone to kansas city lost their stud slot cornerback justin coleman to the lions lost earl thomas to the ravens lost shomar stevens to the vikings. This defense does does not look good right now and they're going to have to <hes>. They're gonna play from behind more this year. They want a lot of one score games last year. They were fortunate team last year. They really should i've been closer to like eight or nine wins. They had ten <hes> and but they're they're. They're gonna be more situations where they have to know. Put their foot on the gas. Ask and throw the football season <hes> week. One might not be one of those evan their home against the bengals which certainly sets up a nice spot for chris carson. Yes as you alluded to <hes> tampa bay. Jameis winston did play had a nice touchdown drive five or six passing of course tools completions went to the god himself chris godwin <unk>. The hype on chris cowan is obviously out of control. It's like kind of a joke at this point that <hes> anybody who follows football whatsoever is even aware of chris. Guy wins is impending breakout but still i still think chris cowan can pay off in the fourth or fifth round. If you can get him there <hes> they also did what they said they were going to do. Pain barbara started martin played exclusively with the first unit. Ronald jones mixed in with the first unit and then played the second unit. I thought ronald jones looked way better than he did last year <unk> <hes> for what it's worth what you think of what tampa bay showed yet nick men's yo made a great observation on twitter that that that route where you're chris carson scored a touchdown chris godwin yep chris godwin yes hi i'm heated about kris carson's. Go take chris godwin the god himself. <hes> caught that i drive touchdown very reminiscent. It's like a little rub. Slash pick screenplay <hes> that that bruce arians used to run all the time with larry fitzgerald and <hes> that that's exciting you know usage note for chris god when pain barber started ronald jones worked in with the ones yet they they both looked alright. <hes> bershad pyramid bershad perryman looked like the clear cut number three wide receiver <hes> he ran with the ones <hes> sean newsrooms boy tanner hudson absolutely crushed it. He played sixty. One snaps. Dude wants nazi. That's seven for eighty four and a touchdown. I wonder if they might shop cameron break and i think that ten or hudson can maybe removing that number to roll behind o._j. Howard and i think that you know o._j. Howard <hes>. I don't think he played in this game did he. No i don't think so no yes so they're saving him up and he's going to have a monster season but you're just how much they targeted tanner hudson in a offense that quote unquote bruce arians hates tight ends. I like to see that as it may relate to o._j. Howard up higher on the depth chart yeah actually i take that back o._j. Howard i believe did play was out there for every snap james <hes> but anyways. Let's move on to our last team in the n._f._c. It is the washington redskins which is offense. I do not have high hopes for whatsoever. I know that's not a hot take but <hes> <hes> they just look really bad untalented. Twain haskins clearly operating as number three quarterback right. Now got picked off twice in game. One note was they did something weird. Terry mcelwain played one snap and there was removed like wife and play. Em one snap. <unk> regard seems like he's in line to start. I'm not really sure matters. Is there anything in washington that intrigues you evan terry maclaurin sorry maclaurin mcelwain. That's like old washington. Bullets play exactly john mcelwain yeah. He's played for my bullets. Emina googles yeah terry maclaurin dressed but d. n. p. He may <hes> ben standing. I think that that mentioned that he may already have a starting job wrapped up yet so teams treat starters. They you know they they. They will hold them mm out in situations like that so i thought that was a very interesting development. He's got that chemistry you know that rapport from college with dwayne haskins and you know. I think that that's worth more than <hes> you know then. That's the shower narrative right yep so but yeah other than that i got. I got ah nothing on the skins. They're they're gonna stick this year bad yup alright a._f._c. was in the last episode. We just finished the n._f._c. that trigger you guys pretty much caught up to date on everything that happened over the last week going on with these teams in the preseason and going forward so go to salvage run dot com pick up the draft kit pick up the precinct d._f._s. package pickup the season package while it's still only two hundred dollars in for evan for jerry. I am at a good luck everybody <music>.

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Niner Faithful Radio Season 03 Episode 50

Niner Faithful Radio

19:50 min | 6 months ago

Niner Faithful Radio Season 03 Episode 50

"Relish boy faithful. How's everybody doing today? Hope everyone had a legendary week or broadcasting live from beautiful downtown San Jose. Here look how beautiful my city is. It's like y'all have like three feet of snow on the ground and I'm living in the city where it's like seventy degrees outside so you know that's that's why. I live in California. That's why we pay all that big money so today we're not GonNa do that long his show but there have been a couple big announcements that we have for nine faithful radio but also today. I want you. There's been some cool things that have happened within the nine or empire that I thought that we should address but before we get into that I like to remind everybody to join our patrons reward program for as little as a dollar a month you can give special perks like ten percent off nine or faithful radio shop and invite to join me on the segment of nine or faithful radio and much much more. Go ahead and visit Patriarch Dot Com for slash niner faithful radio. You can find us as a podcast on apple podcasts and everywhere that podcasts are found as well as youtube and neither PAYPAL RADIO DOT com. If you're watching on Youtube please make sure to hit. That subscribe button. Give the video a thumbs up and hit that notification bill so you don't miss a single video that we upload also go ahead and shop nine April radio shop at nine for radio DOT com forward slash shop to buy officially nine license niner gear from shop forty niners dot com fanatics dot com show. Nfl SHOP DOT COM target Ebay and much much more go ahead and visit nine or four radio dot com forward slash shop or like us on facebook instagram at nine fateful radio or on twitter at nine faithful are S. Okay now that that's a worked Palo Jamie. Hello came how y'all doing good to see all. Thank you for joining me today. We're going to go ahead and pop up comments because I like that idea. That's so cool. And then Kim said Jamie that's nice. See that's what I want to create. I want to create a community because of course we all know. The goal of nine or faithful. Radio is to unite the nine empire not to buy. That's why we don't talk cap on the show I personally support Kapernick protests and all that but not in favor radio about focusing on the team and what unites us and not divide us you filming. Okay so I thought today my empire Mama High Bomber had shared a story to me and also my boy nate Pay Who runs. Remember the stick. Facebook group shared it into the group. Add has officially received a government Presidential Harden for his involvement in the gambling. Case in the wheezy Anna that took place in the nineties. So I thought that's really really cool running lot and Jerry. Rice Bo spoke at. You know the little ceremony thing that they had. But I think these really deserving of getting that dismissed. He basically got charged with not reporting a felony. So how I translate it to people who speak like me. He basically got in trouble for not snitch. I'm that's basically what it was. He didn't report a felony so basically. He didn't snitch as so he got caught up. That's of course why he had to transfer the ownership of the team to or at least has part ownership of the team to denise and as we all know the rest is history also another thing that we want to make sure that we mentioned today. Happy Birthday to a man who needs no introduction On me as far as I'm concerned this man is the definition of Al. He's the definition of nine for life. Mr Bob Sinclair Bob Sinclair was born to day. We want to wish him a happy birthday. He literally played his whole football career in the city of San Francisco Minus College. Because you know San Francisco. State didn't have a football team at the time. But a happy birthday Mr Sinclair and so a big discussion that I've seen around a lot of facebook groups and I've had with you know people in the paper Radio Messaging Group all my fam Is whether or not we keep Emmanuel Sanders and me personally. I'm not going to be held hostage. I do think that you know people are looking at it. As Oh he's thirty two years old. Yeah but you know what he blew by that Defensive back that That pass I mean he got wide open. He was he was wide. Open the Super Bowl for that last play and so I mean I. I'm all for. I'm not going to be held hostage. So if he wants a big contract if he expects the niners to get in a bidding war for his services. I tip my cap. Say Thank you. You should be a superhero like jt. For what you did for the empire you should have caught that touchdown and you know the rest would have been history. Thank you so much for your services yes of course. Jamie I totally agree with you. She says keeping Sanders depends on the price. To be honest. I totally agree. If he wants to be reasonable. I give them two year contract. Hey you know what you want to stick around for for another two seasons. I'm all for that but if it come. I put higher priorities for our offseason than getting a wide receiver. Now I understand a lot of the pushback I've heard is We WE ALL ASSUME MARQUEES. Good is not going to be on the team this year. you're basically looking at house money with Dante Pettis. I mean you know. I don't think many people are expecting much from Dante. Pettis now saying that. Donna can't have a great year. I love go I would love nothing more than L. Got Though giving you know having a huge year when I met a mentoring well when I got his autograph a Training Camp. I asked him if you like nickname. Got The house like what do you think about the nickname got though? And he's like I like it so I love Dante. Great young man talented beyond belief. But I just don't see in him now that's not to say is not in him does not saying. Hey you know what being essentially benched you know for what half the season I mean. That would probably motivate a Lotta A lot of people so I. I'm not expecting big things from Dante. Pettis I mean as we all know I went out on a limb and said that I expected them to have a big super bowl and and Make an impact in the super bowl. That shows you how much I know. 'cause he was benched and so if being benched in the biggest game of his career didn't motivate him and wake them up then honestly nothing will. So it's I understand that receiver may very well be a deed of the team. And I understand that. We know what the receiving core was. And let's not forget and let's not forget that you'll catch warns a restricted free agent. I don't think I think Caja born coming. I think Shanahan really loves him and so I don't see a team really 'cause we're obviously going to tend to him. What a third round pick. Maybe a fourth round tender on ad personally. I don't see a team. Given up a fourth round pick for a Kendrick. Born so abby I see Kendra boring coming back so I understand. I want a Kim. Go ahead and said I think I think known as the niners and he can run routes he Jimmy go-to players. That is very good point. Kim Him and Jimmy did seem to have a quite a connection. And you know it wasn't no secret that especially in that The Veterans Day not game and Levi. Stadium gives the she cox was pretty obvious. Offense was struggling when when Emmanuel Sanders got hurt. That's the game. He actually pictured his ribs so I like I think the niners wants to sign him. But if you let me ask you all this watching the show right now and if you watch the replay go ahead and drop it in the comments would you have Emmanuel Sanders or our garbage Stan? Would you rather have Emmanuel Sanders or Matt Brita? I mean I is GonNa Start. Getting would you rather have Emmanuel Sanders or secure a at accession for divorce? Buckner I obviously I know that. George kittle is free earnings last year of his contract. And I'm not questioning that we will get George. Kill extension done I have no doubt in my mind about that. That's too much of a high priority for the franchise not to get our I mean really are arguably our best player definitely by far best player on offense that George. Kidd wasn't going anywhere yet I would believe he'd be a a a career niner. If not then majority of his career will will be in the red and gold so the I think basically to some of my my point about this is I believe that Emmanuel Sanders is a priority I I would have them over Matt. Brita but I'm not GONNA do it at the expense of giving a contract done for air. Armstead or extensions for George kittle or deforest buckner but you know if the contract for him is comparable Aj Green. I know a lot of people have been saying J. Green I mean personally I'd rather have Emmanuel Sanders Asia. Greens heard all the time. I mean you make argument that Emanuel was hurt but he played through it he played through. He missed very few games and also man played in seventeen games. I mean he played in twenty games this season. So I mean that saying something but also I if all things are created equal as far as contract and maybe even talent wise. I'd rather always stick with the player that I've seen on the Rosser. I've seen Emmanuel Sanders in our offense. I've seen him chemistry with Jimmy He knows the playbook we know his worth ethic. The coaches love him. I mean all those things when you're talking about the kind of culture that it's been very obvious that Linda hands trying to build around this team to me. Keeping that culture is very import. And you hear you see it. All the time with with the niners of the eighties and the nineties is like a brotherhood. I mean you saw what all his teammates did for Dwight Clark recipes. We love you. But you're exactly Kim. Kills two crucial not to be niner? He can block as well as via tight end. I mean I think she means being receiving tidende but exactly I mean he's our best player. He's probably one of the top five maybe top ten. I'd probably put him up in top five for best players in the NFL. I mean who's really better then George kid'll opposite by I don't WanNa hear about Travis Kelsey fuck drivers Kelsey. Oh I'm so over him Bra. Okay Coups Fob. Crews Fiber Noble Travis. Kelsey Talk Anyway Jamie of course. Green is hurt too much. It would be too much money for injuring pro player exactly and we don't even know what he would look like an offense. I've heard he's a dime. Just I'm good give me Emmanuel Sanders. Look if a three receivers set next year all good Kim if we left if we start the season in a nickel three wide receiver trip set if our starting receivers are Emmanuel Sanders Depot More I have no problem with that I would like to think it's going to get. We're GONNA at least draft. Somebody I mean I see it happening. Just because Shanahan lices receivers. I kind of think it's a little access to take receiver three jobs in a row but don't be surprised if we at least as competition to the room this year. Jamie Yeah kills deals getting done this offseason? Sf isn't going to let him go anywhere. Now I mean John Lynch in his end of end of the year press conference pretty much said that it is priority number one getting a contract extension for George Kendall. Yes yes yes thank you. Jamie so much she she just said we also have tried Taylor and Jalen. Hurd coming back from injury this season. Yes do not underestimate the impact. That Taylor can have in this offense it to me was the most heartbreaking. Things of this season was not seeing. Trent Taylor on the Football Field. He was having an amazing camp and he was just getting catching everything thrown at practice and and now that we know how good the D. was how good are secondary play number one number one pass secretary in the League and Taylor's getting opened against them man could've out here man so yeah. I definitely see a Jordan. Mathews I don't really see Jordan Mathews playing a role. I mean if he if he stays on the team he's a camp body and you know one of those. Hey in case you know. We need to call somebody off the streets. You know. Stay ready type of players. But yeah obviously Taylor is a little You know turn Taylor would be to give you a little sneak peach. It wouldn't surprise me at Trent. Taylor's actually surprised. Cut this year which breaks my heart because I love Taylor and I think that he could be a great receiver. I mean we've seen it but you know he might just be a little injury prone but we'll see we'll see we haven't even start. Ota's we haven't even seen him on the field so I don't WanNa get too ahead and cutting players but yeah and I mean Jalen Hurd. We all saw that plague. Is the cry girls. I mean that literally made a jump out of our seats and so faithful Sephardim. Could you imagine Jalen Hurd a depot on the field at the same time it? My mind is blown. Yeah we're going to be a team to contend with this year coming up also. Yeah I think we're GONNA win the Super Bowl this year. I mean that's not. Just oh we may last you know I. I could actually be better team this year the next year. 'cause I mean they say a player takes the most growth between year one to year two. So you're having depot into your to your having Nick Bosa. Enter your to your having now. Jalen hurts a little different because you know he wasn't on the field last year. This team is young. A are starting to see us mature and get experience and you know various more is. I'm expecting big things from him This coming up this coming up season I might actually think. Various warm May Jimmy Ward expendable now. I don't really see that happening. I see Jimmy Ward coming back. But if he doesn't come back I wouldn't be surprised if it's your various Moore's starter now you can make an argument on whether that makes us the best If that's our best secondary or not but you know see but yeah so so the basically as Giddy buddies question and I think you either have to camps of only God. We're screwed up Emmanuel Sanders doesn't come back and you know he was a rental player. A tip your hat and say thanks for for the memories. I think that we could be in between I'd love to have him back. I Want Emmanuel Sanders. A Wide Receiver. Core is in good hands with out him. Barring Jalen Hurd coming back healthy borrowing Trent Taylor coming back healthy maybe even adding a receiver in the draft and Lynch Jehan. I trust and I tip my cap to But yeah we're going to go ahead and get a body here. We have some some big things coming from nine in favour radio for the first episode of season. Four we're going to have a whole new layout I mean everything's GonNa Look Dope. I'm working very very hard to see Jimmy. Kim Of course have seen some of the things that I've done that I shared in the. Are the radio team message chat on. Facebook. Yagi to see him soon is going to be awesome. I promise highly I got home. Grow in the studio with me she. She's watching how your boy is now but So I so see y'all next week same time. Same fateful channel till then faith love and happiness go niners. Oh Yeah also I wanNA please check out. All are awesome blogs written by Jamie Ward at ever and identify radio DOT com. I'd also like to thank all of them for their very hard work in helping her. Faithful Radio continued to grow. Thank y'all so much love y'all I see next week. Faith Levin Happiness go niners so.

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Seven-Time Footballguys League Champ Dominic Roti

The High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour

1:17:44 hr | Last month

Seven-Time Footballguys League Champ Dominic Roti

"Is One NFC north tight end about to disappoint as a sleeper this year. Are FCC players underrating AFC south running back, and which rookie wide receiver provides the best football, guys, players, championship, value plus seven time football guys, League Champ Dominick. Rhody hangs out to talk chargers running back Terry McLaren and much more. We've got a great show for you. Dave Zach is here. I'm Eric Bachmann. Stick around your high stakes. Fantasy football hours starts now ten. Win when he was playing. Tennis. I know. Sports. Radio. Broadcast live and heard around the world. You are listening to the most entertaining our radio on the planet. You'd be high stakes fantasy football. I presented by F F P C dot Com with your hosts Eric, ball and Dave Gerzat. The high stakes fantasy football is your home for football analysis from the best fantasy players in the world, and now because no one else was available, your are. Mint and Zach. Still Book on this. Talk Me. Into planes. Steak. Cooking. Hey thanks a lot, rob greetings, and salutations, all of you, F F years, and all the bulk of Alexander. Zakin addicts welcome to the latest episode of the high stakes. Football are presented by my F-. F PC DOT COM as always I'm your slightly above average host, Eric Bachmann and my co host is indeed the patron saint fantasy football, the diso Dave Gir- Zach. Coming up on tonight's show. We're GONNA talk about Curtis Samuel. Role for the panthers and your fantasy rosters. WHAT MID ROUND SLEEPER TIGHT END! End You should be targeting and chat with Dominic. Rhody about opening his football guys drafts with a bunch of running backs and much more. That has all coming up on tonight show shuttled to the chat room right now. Feel free to post any questions. You all might have right in there. If you want to connect with us on twitter, we are at HSS four I am at Eric Bachmann Dave is that David Gura Zach. Dominic is at F. PC. Dr Three FACEBOOK DOT COM slash hsf. Connect with us. They're free. Four seven, four to six, thirty, six, eighty, two, three four seven game ova. If you WANNA give us a jingle tonight. High stakes fantasy football at gmail.com is where you can send all of your questions and our audio engineer and my best friend Rice, our producer, our mutual friend rob, we'll get to those questions coming up the fantasy feedback segment at the bottom of the hour it's it's GonNa be. Be Fun Hey listen. You look in the have some other fun. Live events are go with the F. FCC main event. early bird is ending in seventeen days so if you want people always ask me hey bulky. Where can I get the best deal automative event? It's right now. It's going on my F-. FCC DOT COM hundred dollars off your first him four hundred dollars off each additional team after that and if you WANNA. WanNa drive draft live from the comfort of your own home or out at planet. Hollywood, either way you're GONNA be able to do it. this your five hundred thousand dollar, Grand Prize. They're speaking of five hundred thousand dollar grand prizes that is also going with the twenty twenty football guys players championship in a three point one million dollar prize pool early promotion there ends in eleven days. Register your teams. They're drafted before July fifteenth. Fifteenth and four every time you do that up to three times, you will get a free thirty five dollar F., FCC team credit and don't forget besides those two big contest. We still have the best ball slim leagues, the Terminator Satellite Leagues, the Super Flex Leagues Dynasty startups Other Basketball's all available at my FPDC dot. com. I feel like I got the sales portion of the show out of the way Dave it is. Good to have you aboard tonight. We are in mid June. We are boy I. I feel like we're about five weeks six weeks away from pros vs Joes and times earnings for people to register for that drawing. Yeah your actually feels like I. It's been like a Juan preseason feels like it's five to six. The season starts actually but It's lot longer. There's still a lot of. Why is that this year I mean I know we started. We got busier was trapped at home i. feel drafting for a long time. They have and and I feel like this year. We've had a lot more interesting in dynasty startups. We've had a lot more interesting interest. Excuse me in Best Ball. And you know as much as I like. To to our own horn here on the. Far there's a lot of podcasts and a lot of websites out there that are really starting to dedicate a lot of their content specifically towards F.. FCC stop and I pay attention to a lot of that and I just think the exposure has made me. More aware of everything going on, but we still got some time to go before you know the main events start up, and and before we hit fourth of July, but it's all I mean early birds running out and we're going to be announcing posers. Joe's on the Sean like three weeks or whatever it is, so it's crazy. I actually giving a hundred credits Alex Alex is really done a fantastic job of. You know creating whether it's you know. Marketing deals are partnerships working with a lot of these content sites. There's a lot of really good people in the industry You know Alex if he wanted to be an ad executive in Madison, avenue, or whatever he would be actually really good at. He's good with talking to people like an office space, right? speaking of. Alex. Lining up a media partners for us so I, was on road baller radio earlier this morning, and we were talking about Fathers Day weekend and everything and I. Know You've seen a few marvel movies I. Don't Know How many you've seen. Did you ever write rex roof? You you like the first guardians of the galaxy right? Yes, I like Guardians. The one answer. Okay, so that was one, so we were talking about Fathers Day movies. I said you know what an excellent father's Day superhero movies to watch is volume two I. I thought that was a tremendous. You know you got to kind of be ended superhero aspect of it. My kids love marvel movies, and we watched all of them. They only like to see like the fighting scenes and the cool part. They don't like the quote. UNQUOTE, boring parts or this quote, unquote scary part. They wouldn't watch guardians of the galaxy either one of them I said they're really good movies. They don't like it. Because not enough of the main characters has superpowers and yeah. That was their big issue with it. Is really strong and fire. Lord flies around, but if they don't have that so I, you bad really you know, it's more of a little more adult nuanced. It's funny. Right yeah yeah. The humor's better in those totally. Yeah in the soundtrack is are both free. Seventies eighties music is great. It's phenomenal. It's absolutely great all right. Let's get into football here tonight. Ladies Gentlemen WanNa take football. Guys wrote a world and rob for tonight's run on big news of the week Deebo Samuel. suffered a Jones fracture in his foot while he was working out yesterday, which was June eighteen. He's He's going to have surgery today. Perform Dr Robert Anderson and according to the experts in the. The pundits. He's GonNa be at full strength in three to four months. This is according to Ian Rapoport from the NFL Network Now deebo Samuel obviously is going to say he's going to come back sooner. In fact, he thinks he's going to be on the field in ten weeks. I think the safe money is probably him beginning the season on the PUP list, and if that is the case as long as he stays. Stays healthy that he should be back week seven. which is sort of you know? After two thirds of the regular season is over with for the FCC and the main event, Brandon IOC who wasn't really expected to do a lot early on. It's probably GONNA take on larger role and Kendrick born and Jalen Hurd obviously could be to that are going to be counted on to well Deebo Samuel Mrs Time and then the. The other thing I noticed today. There's Richie. James another receiver for San Francisco broke his wrist, so they are dropping like flies in the bay area right now. Let's analyze this. David Kick it off with Deebo Samuel. Right now. I shouldn't say right now. Yesterday he went off the board and the nine ten turn Dave as wide receiver forty one. This is right behind Marvin Jones and CD lamb. It's right ahead of McColl. And Christian Kirk knowing that he's going to miss it well. I shouldn't say at least six weeks, but knowing that he's probably going to miss six weeks. Are you on board with that nine ten? Turn right there for Deebo Samuel Right. Now we'll see from. The surgery today. twelve weeks is September eleventh. That is before the see. That's the Friday for those. Yeah, it's not yet essentially be week one okay, so that's. I think I think it's a little presumptuous to put him on a populist. Why would you put on the Puck plus when twelve weeks you know is is before the season starts I. Mean it's. It's Kinda stupid if he actually is back, I mean he thinks weeks I get probably not, but I mean I think that's it. There's it's a long ways out I I feel like. I think just automatically presume a lot of times. It's like you were saying these. Push out and then they. It does take longer to ramp up to you know this isn't a pitcher. This isn't. Runs around and stuff I mean again. You know he doesn't just come out and he's not going to be exactly. But I think when they save back in time, it doesn't mean he's like starting to walk I think it means he's back and ready back ready to go. Okay all right so knowing. Is He a value there? At that nine ten turn wide receiver, forty-one sounds like he is pretty. What was what was people for him? He was going in like the mid six. I Yeah I. think that's fine. Take them there. Because that's the worst case. He's back in week seven, and so let's say there's there's A. As a conservative person here, let's say thirty percent chance. He's ready to go and we it. He's not not popped right there you week one-two-three whatever and so effectively gets most of the season and then the other, the the worst case option well, a worst case option is week seven setback, and maybe I are. Five five ten percents yeah, he pulls the AJ Green I easier. Reading has a contract with US hand. And he was, he was much older than Samuel, two Samuel very young man for virtually all right, so the other thing that we should we should analyse. Here is how it's going to affect. Some of the other receivers for the forty niners starting with Brandon I now. I was a guy that was it well actually before we move onto. Is there like maybe a week or so buying window for deebo Samuel Dynasty Leagues Right now. Where you could low ball and owner that's maybe like had delusions of grandeur wanted to win right now, and you might be able to get something, or is that not worth pursuing? Your shot I mean why not all they can do to say no, okay all right Let's talk about him now. This is by the way they the ADP data I'm I'm getting right here from fantasy. MOJO DOT COM. This is the ADP of the three football guys drafts that went off yesterday now granted. This is a super small sample size, but this is everything. All these drafts took place after the deebo Samuel news was out I. is actually still going after Deebo Samuel, he was wide receiver fifty at the twelve point six now based on what you said about Samuel. I don't know if you're necessarily on board with the rookie receiver going off in the mid twelfth round right here. yeah. Going right now. Yes, that's where he went yesterday after the Samuel News, so terribly bad, but it's. It's fine I. Mean I guess that's fine I mean twelfth round and you're getting you're. Going down there. I think I would take a chance at. Twelve there all right, so and and we bring this up to this is the other bit of News Dave all drafts as far as well. I shouldn't say all three, but George biddle was the ADP tight end. One yesterday Cato was going off on average at the one. Oh seven Kelsey going off the board and averages the one away. This was the first time we've seen this this season or killed leapfrog Kelsey now knowing. Knowing that Samuel, we're not going to see him till again. Maybe not as a not till the start of the regular season. Is this going to hold up? Do you think kills? GonNa end up going consistently over Travis Kelsey more importantly. Who would you rather have knowing what you know now is Kelsey the by Because he slipped or is is killed. The guy you gotta get I'd rather have Chelsea myself, so I mean. Mean I like quite a bit, but if even ag- again, giving the week seven situation he's back and killed goes back to being what he was going to before. which is you know, seventeenth or eighteenth overall pick or something like in the neighborhood I, don't I? Don't bump up all that much. Kern Riva in the chat room tonight. By the way he also says he still has Kelsey over kiddle. I think that's the way. Way I'm leaning right now. is to take him over George. Kill right now, but you know it's one of those things asked me around might feel a little bit differently, but I think you're right. I think Kelsey still the Guy Wrap up this discussion here. Any other niners receivers, and this is probably brief. You like Jalen, Hurd late. You like Kendrick born late as potential flyers knowing the Samuel Injury. Jalen hurt I I, liked him commute coming in the last year and so I think I think yeah, he's worth a flyer for sure Jalen. Hurd went off the board as early as the Seventeen O. Five yesterday he had an ADP of the eighteen o seven, Kinda Kendrick born actually he didn't go off the board yesterday at all but I think we talk about reliability and the stuff that he can do in the fact, he's already done it on the NFL level that he. He can block. Jalen. Hurd missed all last season. I think he has feeling much higher than Kendrick Barns, but at the same time I think born has more of an opportunity to get out there. They're shooting for the stars. Hurt is probably the play and I'll agree with Dave on that born might be having the higher floor and I guess if you're going. If you're drafting that late, you'd WANNA. WanNa go with higher ceiling anyway Ron, Jeremy which I. Love Your picture in the chat room mentioned Dante Petco Yeah Ghost, of Dante Pettis. He Chiro Well. You know the I've read about him. was that he was he sort of did not endear himself to the coaching staff last year and There I think there was an attitude, but mostly a work ethic thing, so he's got some work to. To Do, but certainly a pedigree guy, second round pick out of Washington. I know to packers. A fan of Dante Pettis for what that's worth, so he? No, he's not a sheep Oh pick, and maybe Pakistan something odd because he's probably the highest draft that have any of these receivers Jalen hurt. I think it was the third rounder so yeah I mean I'm on board with that. I think. We all have to temper expectations a little bit because this is a team that trust their game trust their offensive line, and they made the big deal for Trent. Williams and step in for Joe Staley they they ran roughshod over the packers in the NFC championship game, and they still ever he most are. They still have having Coleman and who's the other cat that they got rid of breed? There's another running back there that injure jerk McKinnon. Thank, you is still back. Back there as well so you know that they'll want to run the ball quite a bit, and if there's defense is as good as we think it is, they're probably GONNA be salting a lot of games away in the fourth quarter, so there may not be a whole lot of fantasy goodness with those niners receivers. Maybe Samuel is the the current by nine ten spot I. Want Give you props on this next thing because this is something that you've been preaching all off season. Hopkinson now has been able to run routes as part of his Rehab, but has not completely recovered from that ankle injury. He suffered last year. This was according to offensive coordinator. Darrell level as told to Mlive Dot Com Benjamin Raven now. The lions obviously like Hopkinson took him super early in the draft year first round pick but that ankle injury that he had November. It ended a pretty disappointing rookie season. You know after he hit a big week one and he's like Oh my goodness. He could be the greatest rookie tight ever, and he was not, and he was pretty standard rookie tied online. you not like Hopkinson at all for dynasty I hate him and I. Leave and you weren't able to unload them. I. Try I have a job. Okay, I got it. Yeah, that's fine I. Have a wife Man Right I get it. Redraft Leagues. any I mean. I don't hate him, but I don't. I feel like when you had a bad rookie year like you did. That! Does not. Bode well for you for your career. I mean it really doesn't i. think no I like no offence a lot more at this point. TJ Hopkinson going off the board tight end fifteen at four right behind fans and Gronkowski right ahead of Dallas Goddard and John Who Smith. Here's my issue with IT A. God. I can't remember who the other player was, but he was. You know when I hear these reports. These guys still rehabbing injuries from last year I. IT sets off Red Flags for me. That's awful lot scary. Yeah, you should be scared to be drafting where he's being drafted I, think i. Got I, love much rather have got her I'd rather I'd rather John Smith, as well and then you're going further down. We've got a question about title later I actually willing to put five on at the Dawson. Knox is a better year than Hopkinson. Dawson knocks. There's going, but he's probably going like three or four uglier. Is going much later in that I think I'm. Right full he I'm Filipino, too. As O.. Go to you it all right. Here's the thing I. Want and I want before. Make this wager I wanna make this absolutely clear I am with Dave I. Do not like Hopkinson this year. If nothing, ADP wage, or I also am with Dave in that I. Liked Austin Max this year. I. Do not like Dawson knocks enough to not make this wager right most F F pc points in twenty twenty I have TJ Anderson I'll say dropping Knox how much you got on. It I got five of going. All right. But if you are buddy, Leroy tomorrow. Yep, ready for some. We got some vets. For the yeah, there could be some fantasy football talk flying around tomorrow as as well as we get together with former Kentucky Champ Kurt the real roy into packer. This is going to be exciting. Not As exciting I'm sure server. Is GonNa love it. We get if we get that cool guy from Miami. He'll at least pretend to love it that that's what I'm excited for all right in any event I'm excited for next portion of the show here. I want to bring in tonight's guests, Ladies and gentlemen. He is a seven time winner. A medal winner in the football guys, Players Championship, also a highly active owner and F. FCC Dynasty Leagues as well as main event leagues. He joins the show tonight. The break down a few of his twenty twenty football guys drafts. Please welcome into the show Mr. Dominic Rhody Dominic thanks for hanging out with US tonight man. Hey guys! Thanks for having me on. I I'm very excited to have I did I pull you away for many drafts tonight I? Hope I didn't do that. I'm actually on the clock as we speak in the ninth round on a slow football, guys draft so I will be making a pick your as we talk through. I I gotTA decide between Goddard or John New. Right now for my next week, so I'll. Hopefully you guys can help me come to that decision. For. The, you WanNa make the pick live right now we could. We could make the picture I right now. Common. Okay all right, so we were just talking about. Alive picking a slow drive. I'm here. This has ever happened. This is if our history so when you're deciding between Dallas Goddard and Genre Smith. We just said we like him. We like both those guys better than TJ Hopkinson Dave, but when it comes down to it in a football guy. Slow draft, who taking taking it over John Smith Retaking Smith over guard. Myself I am to gutter I would in this is going to make for great radio. I'm GonNa Take Smith instead of Dallas. We we split one one here. Dominic Your thoughts on on what you're basing this. Pick on right here. Yeah, so I guess to me. You know I like are. They both have the same outside. I think God with Jeffries situation, maybe not being ready right away for the year I feel like he is there wide receiver to versus or wide receiver. One until radar gets going, but who knows what the way they're training now with all this stuff going on in the world you know how that's GonNa. Look so I feel like it's going to be red zone heavy. He's GonNa. Get more recessions this year than last year. Those two for seventeen. You know weeks, I. I think they're going to be more like five for fifties and able to touch touchdown in there John Who's got the whole thing that they don't pass this much, but he is definitely their big red zone target with AJ Brown. So I think John, you might come back to me so maybe I'm GonNa Take God out. Go with David. They got it now just because I'll get greedy and seeing johnny comes back, but I do like both of them in the same rings. They can go wrong either way. Choice Yeah. And the other the other in mind, and this is something when Delaney Walker went down. was it last year it was two years ago. He went down and he was being heavily using that. Titans, offense and granted. This was Mario Tannahill. But I picked up John Smith, and a bunch of leaks 'cause I had some leak tight. End was on by that week and I'm like. Oh! I got Smith Great. He put up a Bagel zero. It was bad. It was really really bad. Gets those I know I, know at least got her is going to get a Red Zone Walker to in every game, so you got that going from saying John Well, but I mean I don't know I. Just love got hurt all around the board so. Well here we are five minutes in an interview dominic. We've we've made. We helped you make a pick in a football guy slow. We haven't even asked the question. We ask everyone right well. We just wanted to know what kind of work you're doing for a living right now. Right George Costanza leaving on a high note. We tomato pick and. That's it for me. Family. Time League winner. That's why don't you forget it? So Dominic When you I know you Ha- obviously have the time to do. The football guys slow drafts. You have time to do football guys live drafts. Obviously whatever type of work you're in, it allows you for a lot of recreational time to draft right. Yeah. You know I'm fortunate enough. My wife also doesn't kill me for. Doing tracks while we're trying to put my son and daughter to sleep, but I'm able to get in financial adviser so I've been you know. Pretty much what you know from March thirteen, working at home and doing zoom meetings, so it's actually been pretty much. Make your own schedule. which is nice and. You know it's being able to sneak. These drafting can't go anywhere can't do anything in Chicago. So we just you know, just keep drafting. And try some new things out on. On the three fifty's 'cause. It's all about that five hundred K.. That's right. She said I'm sorry. You cut out for certain financial advisers as you said. Yeah Yeah, so financial adviser do financial planning investment strategies stay planning You know the whole nine Burford clients and land area. I've kind of asked US kind of before. We've had a couple different financial advisers. You're kind of like an amateur I I mean amateur. which kind of is psychologist really most of the time where it's like for God's sakes? Don't take your money out of the market now because it's the worst time to do that that you know half the calls you have. You. Get the reality when you go through what March we just went through. When everything was pretty much, world was ending You had some interesting call. The most of my quantum is pretty good. You know it's You know fortunate enough to have a good base. Then you do the psychology part, but for the. Better than expected given the circumstances. We ran for about a month especially so. It was so fast down that it was fast coming back up that if you just. Didn't watch the nightly news. You probably okay, so I think that that's probably part of it. Okay. Here's why I have a fancy question finally here. So you got Leonard Four and a half to three or four and a recent football. Guys draft. Do you think FTC owners I mean? He hit a good year last year? Even though? I don't know I, I, I didn't know what it very much, but I mean. It seemed like it was fine to me, and they scored plenty of points. are FCC owner sleeping on him the season. Yeah I mean I think to a degree because you group them in with girly Gordon. Connor I think in that third round range in Jonathan Taylor to some degree, but we don't know what that looks like yet, but those four plus David Johnson maybe after you know GonNa Start off as a workload right I. I don't think out of all of them. girly informed that tend to have the least amount of competition I. You know I. Think Chris Thompson Joke. Don't get me wrong. He's never been injured. He's he's always been injured every year, so it's like. Why am I going to believe to be healthy for sixteen games so I know that's a concern. Right for people taking away past touches and things of that nature but four. That had two touchdowns last year, so you gotta figure with the offensive better. We Dj, Shark Jane You feel like more red zone opportunities for next should I would hope getting. More along with even eighty percent of the you know, catch rate production even if it's a little less hopefully more yards, hoping more big runs, you know I do I. Do and I think they're the same risk in that group area. There's a lot of question marks, but a lot of upside so when you need a running back especially, if you don't start off running back running back I think he's okay. One. That kind of start off before you start taking tickets later. Yeah, I had a massive season last year, too, and obviously, and for some positive touchdown aggression, so you'd like to think that as good as he was last year. Could even maybe a little bit better this year? We'll see I wanNA talk to you about the receivers here because this is a draft, or you know of. Seen Dominic so many fantasy drafters talked a deep wide receiver position heading You know trying to get running backs early I just WanNa. Get your take on one of the football. Guys drafts recently start off with Michael Thomas and then you took the Andrea Hopkins in the second round, wide receiver wide receiver. He's trying to take us through that process of why you started that draft off like that. Yeah so I mean I've done the heavy green which we'll talk about it and everyone seems to be easy path to go this year at least kind of safest path, right going green, you know running back running back in the beginning but we saw last year, what happened with the peanut won the five hundred thousand or the to fifty. WHATEVER THE FIRST PRIZE! What the Last year! It was was Thomas and Julio Right. So would you do enough of these You WanNa mix and match. How starving Rosser Constructs so getting Thomas where I got him and then be able to get hopping. Even going to a new team I had to take the shot and you know essentially. Build around that core knowing that those are going to be my wife and wide receiver to every week and I don't have to play. Wha! What's the wide receiver position? And then that's where I took for that and swift, and trying to build your running back that way you know, because if they hit then you're in a really good spot on a real manage especially headed into hopefully to play us. We fourteen sixteen. It's all about high upside. I like that too y. you know one of the things that we've talked about on. This show has been backfield's. We I think we talked about the Lions Backfield to death. We talked about the bill's backfield. They've one of the backfield that we really haven't talked about. And I think we should dominic about. Is this interesting one? That's going on in Los Angeles with the chargers right now. Yeah I! I actually really curious to hear your taking talk much about this, which is weird because we usually talk about the same like six topics. Several Times on the same show. Yeah Awesome. Justin Jackson and Josh Kelley the rookie How do you see the chargers dividing up? The backfield carries between those three I'm really interested to hear what you have to say. Yeah so I think for me, Justin. Jackson's outright I just think from his performance. He had a chance last year. To Kinda sees what Melvin Gordon's. You know at least touches would have been in the first. Half of the season and really dropped the ball with it. Right equity kind of took the reins there, so we know. We know he's going to continue to get. The first. One looks Kelly I think Kelly was really good at UCLA. I think they know actor from. He's more productive in, less there's like he gets more big. Bang snaps right, so they don't WanNa be rolling them out there, you know. You know Christian McCaffrey type Sal. Maybe you know. Maybe they end up doing it, but I think car himself out or roll, only going to increase throughout the year and you know in the round eleven twelve thirteen range I'm targeting them in trying to get him and draft I. Think Him and Antonio my to I. Want you know if I could leave their draft especially if I receivers early there, my zero rb targets for sure. Gibson's probably another guy. We'll get into later on in the show Dominic Rhodia, seven time football guys, players, championship medal winner, joining the HSF our tonight keeping it on the running back tip here. Dominic another backfield that I'm intrigued with one of these guys, not necessarily the other one. What's your take on on Matt Breda in Jordan Howard is stacking both those dolphins running backs, a good idea and f. p. c. dress, or are you just more likely willing to take shot on one and not the other? Yeah so I, stacked in one of mine when I needed. When I went more wide receiver heavy with Delvin Cook. which you is a whole `nother thing now, but I've been taking Howard. Pretty much in the same realm they've been doing Kelly and gets in I prefer him over Brita. I know Howard has done it before the bears granted. It was a rookie season, but even on Philly last year before he was out, he was productive. Brita has big hits. I understand I see. I see well respected players that do a Lotta draft. Take Him. Earlier they take, say target him on I. Just Prefer Howard and the tenth and eleventh, and that's kind of where he's living and I think he's going to be the first and second down back in. He's GonNa. Get you know especially with to if he's GonNa, get you know I, think two hundred plus carries if he stays healthy, and I rather have that if I'm going zero RV or just need a flex running back to make sure I'm covered. I rather have Jordan. Howard ingred. Now one of the other things to keep in mind to as much as we like, Brita and what he did in San Francisco, bear in mind that he was up quite a bit, and was you know always a friend of the training room and that's something that I think we'll have to keep in mind. You may not like Jordan. but when you got volume guy like that that late day, but it would certainly make some sense speaking of volume. Guys in the Washington passing offense. Yeah, so I'm trying to think who else. Who else is there okay, so we have two oxen. He's gone. We have Jeremy's sprinkled. Fight in Tonio Gibson we just talked about who sort of like a running back wide receiver horrid type. He's not yes. Well I'm just saying like listeners are running back. Look is the commissioner I. don't even bring up the. Bite my tongue on that one ladies and gentlemen. All Right, hang on, let me come. Back we want to leave him as Larry. Let's not let's not. Off emails right so charitable answer if you get more and more on the. Tear! maclaurin becomes a top fifteen this season. I mean it'll be I. He can do it for sure I. Think it'll be close. I just wrapped them in, and that's my one where I went running back heavy You know he's very consistent. tested cut-rate. These you know top there you know he's got Haskins. Which is downturn. Right you. You get worried about that, but. Like you guys were talking about when you're figuring out. WHO's there? WHO's there? Right? You got you got sins. You Got Heart Harmon and you know it's really not much else outside the backs Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I mean I look, I think. Is Target. Share is going to be twenty five percent plus he's going to get fed from Haskins i. you know he's going GonNa continue to pepper, and he did well the second half of the season with Haskins, so it's not like you've got to drop off. I would hope has a little bit better. He gets a little bit better series. Good enough to win. Contested balls especially jump balls. If you know has two. Two Girls I think he can easily be not only I think he can be tough time. He really could I think he's got the talent. He's Michael Junior Michael Shooting Michael Thomas, junior and I think i. think he's going to be a start in this league. You know whether it happens all the way this year or not. You know we'll remains to be seen, but these receivers are breaking faster than ever before so. Dominant, did you did you snatch McLaren any for chief of last year in any, there's a rookie like before. He kind of broke out. We did yeah so me and my partner. Brandon yet he was I. he was on early before even I even really knew about him. He was snapping them up in every league that he could so. We got we got some. Pretty good right when you when you out. So where did you guys? He's taking enough rookies like fourth round like. Third Fourth Oh. Yeah, third fourth you know. He was in that range and I think waiver on one league to I. Don't even talk drops in them up. Yeah, so. It was yeah. We just targeted him. We picked them up in worked out so far. That's right, and if you WANNA pick up. Terry, maclaurin, waivers and Dynasty Leagues Check Out. The Dynasty Leagues MIF FTC DOT. com startups going off right now. Make sure you check it out and you can. do dominant cats here and get a guy like McLaren waivers, you know. One of the last questions I'm GONNA. Ask You for your I. Mean Rookie Drafts are done for most people but everybody. Maybe we'll. We'll try I have three rookie draft. No four have four, no three. I've here in Kentucky. Which is ridiculous? I have one rookie dress off. Why isn't it started yet? Because the commissioner impose like. I he's like. Oh, we're changing the rookie draft so August, because it you know more information is available on all right, whatever all right so kinda answered the rhetorical question before who else is in Washington besides guys, you already mentioned the only other one I'll say is an Tonio Gandhi Golden, who obviously has a shot at being a number one type receiver, maybe a number two in Washington, but it's not gonNA happen this year and Dominic. Totally agree with your targets here. I think with with McLaren. It's. It's going to be twenty five plus maybe thirty percent that's GONNA. Make him volume guy in Washington's not a great team, so they should be peppering him early and often Okay, let's ship. We talk about receivers here Dominic let's talk about running back in your draft so far. The football guys draft so far this season. Have you loaded up to start off your drafts? With three running backs for running backs often has been once in while. How have you sort of utilize that strategy in your drafts? Yeah so the one I just decided I'm in now. I started off four running backs. I started off. Chimera Jones girly David Johnson. And just just to do it that way. I've done I think I think real total with this one has been running back heavy out of. The debate that I've done so far so good percentage right on past. Know on track to do I think it's just so easy to start off running. Especially, you're at the top of the draft. If you get one of you know, Zeke. McCaffrey Barclay or even you know you get. Henry Sanders Nixon. Like any of those guys come like you can build it in. In the second round and third round, and then just hammered receivers, you know four through seven I just think a lot of people are doing it. I think that's going to be a popular play is the heavy running backs Because it's just it's easier to build, and you need to have some exposure to. It so that's why definitely gonNA keep doing it. So Dominic. Let me ask you this. If you think a there's going to be a good amount of people doing it, it is the value still in in trying to do that as well to get these running backs early, or would you rather zag when everybody else is digging in and do maybe a couple of year Arby's. How do you fall in on that? Yeah, so I've done it. Just depends on the volume. You're doing right. If you're doing one of these contest to these contests, you know it's a little nothing. You can't do it right. That's a total zag, but it's all about percentages of your team right so I mean for me, I don't feel comfortable zagging if I'm doing kind of all I. You know I don't Wanna Zag on all right. I mean you need to have some exposure to that kind of construction, because if you're wrong, and it is the right way, then you're screwed right, so you WanNa, make sure that you know it depends on the amount of teams depends how comfortable you are! Zagging, fun, it is you know because it looks nice. Having those receivers especially did four in a row one of mine, and it gets really talk, I'll tell you. It doesn't feel great when you're in around seven through eleven trying to piece together running back, so you know, enter at your own risk. It could definitely pay off if you do hit on those white ones. I think you need to have a mixture of combos. Let me, Donna let me fire a question from the chat. wasp guy wants to know who your favorite round pick in redraft is and and I. Guess if it's a kicker, you can just tell us your nineteenth round, and if that's defense, you can just tell us your favorite eighteenth round pick, but basically your. Skill position pick in redraft. Who's been your favorite thus far? So I've been taking them in everyone. Um, I think one I haven't but Brian Edwards for The biggest raiders yeah, so coming up. Injury should be good to go. I think I just think he's the most talented one out of whatever they have there even with rugs I think he's going to step in big body slot, Guy He. He was really good in college until that injury happened so I, you know we'll see again. It's worst case scenario. He doesn't get back on the field and drop them and use them as a waiver, but I definitely will hold him for least four to five weeks. That see how that shakes out. Because I do think he's got a lot of upside potential on that on that offense with not a lot of competition. I'm loving him and dynasty to I'll tell you that. Yeah absolutely Oh, here! We're quickly. He's talking about you. Samuel wants to bring him up again. We get dominates the thoughts of the people here. Under four months. Evidently, it's twelve weeks until the season starts. How far you moving you bow down on your draft board. draftable not drafted him. Simple as that. Wow, that's crazy. No, thank you, okay. Because you don't want to draft a player that's going to be essentially coming into the season either without a preseason or or hurt is. Is that what it is? Or Why is the undrafted? so if you recall I think sometimes we forget history of players with these injuries. They are brutal and they re-injure them especially if he gets rushed back like they're talking, he wants to get back if he's back by. Let's say best case scenario. He'd first. We told her right. He gets on the field a game. Maybe working something conditioning here to sorta got out for the year. Right? That's scenario. One scenario to never comes back right because either. They signed a receiver Antonio Brown which we've heard the rumors. Of whispers. We'll see whatever that comes up or my sleeper of that does Bryant that I feel like he's got a chance to. By the Niners, but I just don't I i. don't see it I. don't see it, he you know. He gets a lot of his points on running. He was. He's a Stud I. Think he's GonNa be great dynasty body low especially if you can get them but I do not see him in a meaningful way stepping back on the field this year, and not re himself or making it through the full year if he does. Okay so the follow up to that. Dominic is obviously if you don't like Deebo Samuel. That's fine, but who who are you bumping up for? The niners pass catchers then is it simply just kittles going to be a monster, or is there some value in one of the other receivers there? Yeah so I think it all. We saw I think I think you guys probably saw last night he went one seven and a draft. I saw on Mojo So you know people are moving to. The rookie readiness Yuki. Pronounce it He's GonNa. Be Shooting out. He's GonNa be in double round. They'll probably be around nine before this. You know once we hear you know, whispered somehow. Training videos are going on twitter. I'm sure. In the single digits. kenyan-born is interesting. Right I mean Kendrick born. He gets targeted in the Red Zone I. You know I. You gotTa Heavy Target. Guy he, he does his job. He does it well, but they knew him in scoring situation, so maybe they get him a little more involved in the passing game throughout the drives instead of just red zone, and he actually gets a five or fifty was a touchdown I just don't think this team's GonNa. Be Pass heavy I think it's kiddle and everyone else kind of has their moments, and then they just rely on. You know the running game. You kind of go from there. Dominic. Let's get to some emails here. That came in from listeners. This is a good one for you to kick things off about the bears. This is from bill in Centennial Colorado Bill with one L. by the way interesting. Hi, Dominic! How much if at all the Chicago's quarterback choice change Alan Robinson's value. Good luck this season. Thank you for the bill in Centennial Colorado so I. Don't know if this makes a difference to you at all. With with Robinson, that does it change if nick foles throwing to them or trubisky throwing them. How do you fall in on this? They really liked the rub it in from because I'm from Chicago. I have to deal with the Mitch Trubisky Bockel. Provided him home. I gotta I gotTa feed this question. yeah I mean what they brought goals in. I'm holding onto one last hope that they're using at the motivator Bisky I coach while fold i. don't see how full doesn't start I think either one is L. Robinson's third around or I think he's a Stud I think kid. You know. That's one of the guys. Again took a year to recover from an injury, but once he did. He started right so I think either way really matters. I would take Robinson no matter who the quarterback is We might see both of them this year. Twin. Girls in Chicago with the bears and you know they're. They're personnel southwe. We'll see, but yeah take Robinson. Don't sweat it. He's going to be. It's one way or the other. A couple of good teams in that answer their the Mitch trubisky debacle and anything goes in Chicago I think those are both solid team wonderful. Allen Allen Robinson by the way as Dominic pointed out so astutely he is going as the three. Oh seven on average. Right now wide receiver town right behind Kennedy Golladay and Odell Beckham Right Ahead Dj more and Amari Cooper one of the positions we don't talk about on. This show is quarterback, but Anthony and San. Francisco is changing that right now. He writes. Hey, dominic with so many teams waiting on quarterbacks to super deep levels again this year. Does it make sense to try and gain an advantage by drafting Jackson or Mahomes early? Thank you Anthony and San Francisco Dominic quite frankly I don't know if you've drafted. Either of those guys early What do you believe that there's an advantage there or are you still waiting? So funny thing we just need Jerry could foresee and frank, slad both players. We all play the together people on we. You guys seen this before the main event. We just had this discussion in WanNa, frame stress where it was Lamar Jackson at three nine, and it's like. How do you not taking their You know if you might take a quarterback early. I'm so Amelia against taking a quarterback early, but even I was setting. Self saying well. It's three nine Jackson. I can't see the I don't like it. I feel dirty taking it, but I can see where it works. I've seen teams even Franks game. Was it worked out that way? I'm just taking Daniel Jones round thirteen every time I want no one else. Just give me him and sleep like a baby and that's. All right. It's a main event draft. Pick for eleven Mar. Jackson's on availow. saw. Four eleven on. You got me there day. I think I. Take Four. Oh, it's already already got seen in that area. I mean that value I. Don't think I'm making the four four, two four two four threes interesting to it's you know the take one of those receivers, or do you just take? Oh? That's a camp. Makers range before eleven did think about that draft we. Have Partially Godwin and then like you know like. Let's say Mark Andrews, and then come back with Lamar Jackson that the four love Rainbow, trout, that would be. That would be. The rain. Doing early quarterback in early, but nobody would fall for it because you're getting a hookup and you're getting Lamar Jackson. That'd be one unique. Arrive, yeah. I will say that I will say this last point to that. At least you know, unless there's an injury mahomes Lamar. Jackson are not busting for you. You can still bust what someone else in the third round right now busing those quarterback, so at least you know that going in the state had to do it. You know so. All right are one of our. Questions good work, thank you. WHO's the players? You've been avoiding and draft so far this year in a player even targeted in the mid to late around unfortunately for you, you play redraft and dynasty I would like an answer for both and I would also have you don't have one. Hand I mean that's fine, but you know you might have a and you cannot use the words Brian or Edwards and this response. Okay, that's fair. That's fair avoiding Mike. Williams I want no part of them I. Get the upside. I ate, and you cost me four thousand dollars then last year. I don't want any part of them. You know so i. don't think tyrod Taylor. He Yeah I can't do it. He just I. Don't think we're tyrod Taylor. It's GonNa be checked down sitting there just. Who have one or two games I don't know he just doesn't excite me at all, and I know people like taking him. You know early ten, sometimes, even earlier but no thanks Who I'm targeting Antonio Gibson. Obviously, that's one of them. you know before the you know before the issues. When voting was, another guy was targeting around fifteen sixteen. I think he was a great. You know could still be great handcuff for Jacob's but one of the guys I think everyone say no surprise to just in Jefferson I think he sliding right into I, think he's GonNa be looking receiver. Hinderaker had the chance I think Jackson. Jefferson is really good and I think he's going to. Put up some fantasy never share for people and I think he's going to have some really good games in that offense and he's GonNa have role carved off right away. you know I think he's GonNa. Do well up there in the domes. Potentially Dalvin Cook we'll see and we just found out that Jefferson is GonNa be played primarily on the inside, which is what he did at Lsu and got all that fantasy goodness from birth to so something. Be Paying attention to their. We're always paying attention to whatever dominic he says given his success as a seven medal winner in the football. Guys, Players Championship dominant can't thank you enough for hopping aboard this week. Good luck in all your dress, the rest of the and hopefully we'll talk again soon and hopefully we'll see you out in Vegas to. Hey anything can happen. We'll see I'll be doing main events this year and I'll be looking for Jackson now. At four eleven. You promised me. Dave so I'M GONNA. Wait to see it There one week. Making. WanNa. Make sure he gets there for me when I when I'm live. Okay, I'm going to be tapping you on the shoulder, but verbal contract. You know all right they they do so much. I appreciate a lot of fun. Thanks, thanks, Dominic care by the way follow dominic on twitter at F. F. P. C. D. R. Three one three seven time champ in the football. Football guys players championship I don't I don't mean this as a as a bad or as a slight to any of our guests from the Chicago land area. Don't they have a specific way of talking? I love it I I. I Yeah, that's I. I. Don't mean it in a bad way because it's so engaging. Yeah, just like people from Wisconsin stupid. For that did you see that comment from from the prognosticator tonight about how I need to get a? What did he say? Vocal coach? yeah I saw that young are swag private slack shot. You know I gave Alex some props earlier, but I mean it's not like this guy's without an accident. We know Dave No, I'm not going to I, mean he? He just spent his first ten years in Russia for God's sake so. He lives in Russia that long. Yeah! I didn't realize that. You know what I'm like. Some people actually value the freedom that America grants you. God, that's a frigging. Stephen Right there, no, but in any event like. I I don't. There's something so engaging about like? I JUST WANNA. Keep talking to guys at the Chicago back. You know we bring up the fun. Joe Dell's narrow a lot Joe Don matter is a guy that I love talking to as well you all the mind. Joe Deals and their own dominic grow to. You have to have one thing in common. Yeah, O Paulo for their last names. Talian. I love. I people are fun. It's like. You know it's like you WanNa tell you in a restaurant. What are you have you red wine? You know fat Karbi Food Yeah like a robust wife. Robust life well, don't they? Don't they? Sleep in positive racism I'm not no, no, no, don't tell you racist issues anymore, but it's like seriously speaking. Don't they? Sleep in work a few hours and then they like. Take the afternoon off and then the Yester-? No, no, no, no, no, no, and then they'll work like all of Europe. All of Europe does this. They worked like seven or eight at night, and then they just party all night. Yeah, and then that's why they always sleep in correct. I know that the Liechtenstein Guineans are famous for this, which is I, think mostly southern Europe because the Germans work really hard on a time. Timely manner, English people do the same, but like. Italy and Spain and Greece Malta. They're all supposedly really weighs you down there because it's so hot grease I've heard you know this is the second conversation about multi I've had today. Really Yeah I was talking with with our good buddy our mutual friend troublemaker L. Guerande. We were talking because he. He's a big poker player and he was telling me where the poker rooms are open, whether or not like. Venetian has their poker room. Oprah. Lazio has their poker room open. He says they're playing five handed at the Venetian. He's like I gotta get out. The action has got to be incredible. Handed Poker, but yeah, we because he's got an APP that tells you where all the poker rooms, and all the casinos where where there and he's like their crushing it and Malta right now. I don't even know where that is, and I had to think about I'm like. Yeah. I think it's in the Mediterranean, but I as an island, it's an island country that is north of Libya east of Tunisia and south of Italy is what we found out of those four countries. You mentioned I. Only go to Italy and Malta Italy. Owner unusual and I'm not. I'm like dude if I ever go to fraud trucks into your news. Yes exactly Okay, so let's get into I. Don't get the emails quite yet. 'cause. There's a couple of things I WANNA hit on before we get to that. That were in the news this week. the Charlotte Observer Dave I know you're a subscriber. They had a story this week from pants. Reggie Bonhoeffer, no, and not about who is handcuffed for you and and Carolina serious question. Is it bonafide? Is it Mike? Daily know who else are. Mike Davis is there. Yeah, I mean it okay, hundred eighty our summer so I guess the answer is you're not if you get McCaffrey you're just trying on the whole I would backup well what I would do. What would you look It's you know it's obviously around twenty six and a best ball I go to football. GUYS DOT COM. They look at their click on their charts. I see McCaffrey. I actually bonafide most of the second I'm like Oh this guy still available and he's supposed to be the handcuffs. I'll take him. All right, so that's who that's. Who would be in the twentieth. You take bonafide if you get McCaffrey at the one on one oh. Yeah, okay, what? My private dynasty Lee you are which one gridiron legend great. Curry was asking what happened to Lance and they said he's in a dynasty league with you and I. Yeah! He'll be out there for sure I if he can get out of the dispensary in time Okay, so let's talk about this report from the Charlotte Observer here Dave Joe Brady who's the new offensive coordinator under Matt Rule says. Curtis Samuel is going to be quote critical to success for the panthers. Offense Quo Curtis's a playmaker. He fits all the vote. We're looking for in this type of offense A. A Guy that you can utilize all around the field and get the ball in hands and good things happen all right so last year Samuel had nine carries and eleven catches after Scott Turner, whose North Turner. Son took over the play calling duties there, and it sounds like Joe Brady wants to utilize him and get him involved whether it Turner, so the offensive coordinator. No job is now okay saying. Well I mean Joe Brady's talking up. Though, too. I'm actually thinking about McCaffrey because norv Turner. All your wife running back. into the turf McCaffrey's I. Mean He's. He's a slam dunk one on one, I don't think there's now. Back to all right, they're still Robbie Anderson. There's still DJ more the aforementioned. Christian McCaffrey in Thomas Their Curtis Samuel Right now in football guys, Leagues Dave has an eighty P of fourteen eleven as wide receiver sixty two. Now I know that doesn't seem like much. There I. Would you be looking at him? And all this I think between the two of us? You have always been the guy who has defended Curtis Samuel and liked him more I. Don't. I've never particularly cared for them, but can you sell me on Curtis Samuel this year? It's a little. It's a little tough to sell you on I He had yeah. Hi, FI NAM score in the NFL, so he was a good prospect. the problem for me is is charged. Share Marcus. Share whatever you great, yeah? So much, Dj more. McCaffrey museum more both like superstar. I mean really. True McCaffrey and more yeah, restart caliber players. They should really command a ton of targets you in Thomas is pretty seemingly pretty solid. And Robbie Anderson was legitimate player. I mean grant. He would probably run a random bunch of nine routes for the jets and I'm not sure if he's going to do anything else here. That might be the same. Route. Thirty five catches for whatever I'm you Sanyal is a town I would actually look at the fourteenth I seen him in baseball. Draft's going way way way later. Twenty twenty th. Factoring kickers defenses maybe not the twenty, but the eighteenth nineteenth so I think Samuel in ball is better than reader. I think that's where I'd be looking at just for football guys, players championship purposes. He is going right behind Alshon Jeffery and his real life teammate Robbie Anderson, and he is going right in front of Nikial. Harry, t higgins and golden taped. One thing I would do is if I did have dropped DJ more. I think Samuel is actually legitimately all caliber. Yeah, handcuff! WHY RECEIVER! You, often no 'cause. He's super, cheap and DJ more. You spend a lot of money on it, but if did you have more goes down. Samuel, we'll step into that role, and he will be pretty damn. See Okay so that that's my question with Anderson and Samuel going so close together. If you were going to do that, handcuffing Dj more type thing, you would actually go towards the pedigree. Curtis Samuel over the overpaid Robbie Anderson. Samuel has more of a talent stack. That just translates better. What Dj more is doing and running running. Running different routes, you know so I. I feel like he would command more targeting better all right, so let's get emails here. We'll fly through him as much as we can. Watch guy also at a chatroom question Dave. He wants to zero B is still viable this year and we're a fan of it. Not Answer that I i. still like it and I think people are quick to throw it to the curb. After last year we we saw not a whole lot of running back injuries and or boss in the first round and. And I think people are like. Are We doing zero R B? When look at all the excess that people had last year last year was was kind of an outlier as far as running back injuries, and I will not be going zero R B in every single one of my drafts this year I think quite frankly i. think if only done it once maybe twice so far this season and those were Kentucky draft where it's a more of a wide receiver. You know you gotTA. Make sure you get. Those guys locked up I love as you know to my own detriment I love the modified zero RV where you take the running back in the first round, and then pound out for receivers and a tight end, and then started attacking the running back position again but I. Don't think we should throw it to the curb yet. Just because of a of a quasi twenty nineteen season at the position. Well I think the year before to. It was kind of similar like it's been like a two year kind of semi drought for yeah for zero be. I is a little bit of recency biased. I don't think it's I definitely think it's a strategy that does work in the part of the problem though with. In F. FCC format because you can start four running back, and because people are pounding running back, it gets dry, super facet running. Yeah, you actually do it, you you can. Really. You can run into a lot of problems in Maybe like four or five teams take three or four running backs, and you're in some dire. Even even you know you're looking at. Oh, where am I? Crap? That's all right they way. You Daryl Henderson at-bat. You know what I mean like. Chase Edmunds is getting a lot of steam lately. As far as zero R B A guy. It's like yeah, you you really like have some people that are viable to start week. One Right? Yeah, you have to yeah, so I don't. Don't know I think that's a little bit. It's a little bit challenging, but I mean you. Receivers are going to be fantastic, and if you hit those running backs, I mean there are waiver wire candidates. I mean some leagues. Maybe Joshua. Kelly gets dropped week one, and then who yeah, and then he's available for you, so even things happen and it doesn't you, don't you? Don't get a lot of impact wide receivers off the waiver wire. You get some but not. Really Stud Yeah. That's true. Let's get a couple emails here before we wrap things up and I I want Dustin in Warren Michigan is the Washington backfield worth trying to examine the season, or should I just stay away? Thanks for all you do is Dustin Warren Michigan this is interesting, too because I saw I think it was the football guys emailed today. no football. Guys email a couple of. Of days ago, said that there is a a t Washington reporter beat reporter and said that a team source told him that Peterson and guys are expected to split the first and second down carries and JD mckissick is going to be third down guy there. They've I. Don't there's nothing to like about that sentence? No I don't like any any of you like the. To the Peterson stuff is your draft abuse and the twenty fifth round I. Yes, but I mean I don't think he's been going there quite frankly. I'm just GONNA look it up here. Real quick where he's going and football guys. Yes, I. Yeah, he's an eighteenth round. Pick so that I guess that's fine, but guys in the seventh round. No, thank you. I don't understand. I don't get that okay, yeah I. Just Gary, schedule. Like the ninth or time Darius, guys Ronald Jones Roggio Darius Geyser Alexander Madison. WHO's been rising upwards? A I think it would take. Guys had other boy, Darius guys having Coleman. Harry's guys or Marlin Mac. Mac I'M GONNA? Take Yeah, exactly all right curtain where the hell is Texas town free ONA curtain. Free Ona Texas who is your pick at three guys Kamera or Elliott or should I just get angle with Michael Thomas? Kurt apologized for not recognizing your town. Thank you email. Who Do, you like better, Kamera Elliott. I Have A. Thought on this also. I would take a mirror. And if you WANNA, put five on it I would. Do I get to hear your argument for my argument is this I, think? Camaro was playing hurt quite a bit last year, and from what from the eye test and this is what I read from a Lotta beat reporters, saying that this guy was playing it like seventy seventy five percent gutting it out, and because he is as talented as he was They put him on the field. Because it's Alan at seventy, five percent is still awesome. Ezekiel Elliott. We heard from several guests on this show that they saw the wearing down aspect last year already and now you get Mike McCarthy in there. WHO LOVES THESE THREE WIDE RECEIVER SETS? And what do they do in the first round? Round draft CD lamb so now you have Prescott, who, through for like five thousand yards that last year still Amari Cooper Gal who caught eleven, hundred plus yards last year and CD lamb, who I think was the best wide receiver in this entire rookie class. I think that compare it to me is going to get more touches, and by and large score more and get more fantasy point so I will take, and I have done this I've taken Kamera over Elliott in I probably own them like four leagues already this year. I like I like him a lot. 'cause argument all right I'll bet all right so most fantasy points in F. FCC season I got five Alvin Kamara also e. Just real quick. Would you take Michael Thomas over either of them? I would not no I wouldn't either, and it's not because you know I I know that there's going to be a regression for Thomas this year, but I still think he has a fantastic season. I just think that with those elite of running backs. You gotta get one of those guys and let Thomas go to somebody else and get your receiver value later that that's where I would I would look at Ron. Jeremy already saying. Kamera went three in the eight thirty football guys tonight. So there you go on that one moving on. To more emails, maybe one more. Deer Jason and Dallas I'm going with the League tight ends early of my drafts. Who would you rather go with as a backup then between Blake Darwin and Jack Doyle Love Your show that is Tom. In youngstown Ohio Tom Thank you for your draft patronage. Assuming you're drafting on the PC platform and thank you for your email. They'd be like as we're just talking about the cowboys passing game, you like Jar, win better, or do you like Jack Doyle in Indianapolis better this year as far as a backup, tight end for an elite guy that you're drafting early. I would probably go with toil, and why and why are you going oil? Just because of tragic? Just listen to you. Tell me about all of the. Player. I didn't realize slowing you on this one. Galaxy, lamb, blah, blah cooper ezekie Elliott. Where's German fifth or sixth, or you know Blake for Christ like guys terrible. You, guys named Blake No. Okay I, also like Jack, doyle. Before I figured Amos stupid, but so you know e Brian this year in Indianapolis on your way home, and then you have a rookie and you have underperforming Paris Campbell. And what else is there anything who am I missing jogging? Holly she's still bumming around there. He's probably hanging out in the parking lot. Yeah, but you know Neem hines hines on back Marlon Mack and Jonathan Taylor has one and she backs. WHO's? Killer Vescio Pie become two three back there, and maybe not this year. I don't know I think I'm with you. I agree I think he sold me on it. After I sold you on the Dallas wide receivers you sold me on doyle. and. They were related. Who get all right one last email? What's up? GUYS IN FOOTBALL? Guys dress with rookie wide out. Do you like better between Jerry Judy and Henry Drugs? Excuse me thank you to Shane. And WE HAWK IN NEW JERSEY for that one. They've We talked about rugs last week with that nasty leg injury, which it seems like he, he's GonNa come out all for the better here. The little the little boo boo. Hi! We're had crutches and everything I. Think it's more than the divers, so do you like so well? No, it's not deebo Samuel so rugs versus Gary, Judy this year, my date, no matter who it is the date until the season starts to still the same. It's still twelve weeks. I get it but I. Don't think this is going to a twelve week. Injury for Rugs Hanson my point. Oh Shit all right, okay. I got an injury doesn't matter if twelve weeks old. Okay, so now now we're talking just talent versus talent situations situations. Judy versus rugs. Who you got well, obviously because of what I just said Rug I think you. good stuff I think judy salad better. I feel like the team I think he's going to integrate of your offense better. I think actually. Walk better than my wife's car. Already? Yeah, no, there's there's something to be said for that. washed guy, says Judy. Running ability is the key. I. Okay in this draft I thought cd-rom Jerry Judy. We're on a tear above everybody else rugs guy, and and this is why you can't trust me on this I've never liked rugs because he was a guy that was committed to Florida state to play there, and then flipped to Alabama and I always hated it because I watched rugs. Just crush it for Alabama the other thing to keep in mind. Though, he didn't really perform performed a lot better than the Florida state receivers that we hit us fine, but I mean real in reality. Though that was probably that was the other thing is his US under he didn't really. Had never had a thousand yard season, right? So I mean he's playing with other guys other starts again, but if you're a star, be a star I. Mean you know what I'm saying? To Jarvis Landry, suck because he was playing with Odell Beckham. No, they're both great and effort and Devante Smith Jerry. Judy are both great. Mean really. But hold on, but maybe if Justin Jefferson would have been at Lsu with Beckham and Landry. He might have not done so great, but we're not denigrating him right. Oh well, maybe you're. Kidding but I know what you're saying that or who's who's the guy that Josh Shah? Who is the Patriots Earth swingers movie the Guy, behind the? No, No, who was the guy back in the day the Patriots drafted him. He was like a slot guy. A wide receiver at Lsu name was Josh something, and Boyce boy Josh Boys Boys. Hold on I gotTA. Look this up Yeah I really like many. Suck Yeah. He totally Josh Read Josh read. That's who it was. Are you sure yes, Josh read? That's where I'm at the guy that we just or you're from a right now or you know no, no, not right now. This is back in the day. He was a receiver lsu. He wasn't with he was pre. Beckenham Pre Landry and he was a guy that the Patriots drafted and I was like this guy's GonNa be great draft draft choice and twenty thirteen before thrown, but go ahead from Lsu. TCU Oh TCU. Yeah. Yeah, okay, no, Josh rate. You remember this guy. If I showed you a picture, he was going to be a slot type guy. He's going to catch like eighty ninety balls. You know from Tom Brady and was going to be great was awful and quite frankly he was better than Josh Boys, but he was still awful. It was funny Anyway we're. We're wandering down a path. That's going to take us well into. Kill Harry. Is You never have go? I don't think so I and. Because the Patriots drafted him in the first round, and and their track record with that is terrible. All right, that's. It's not really agree that's no. It's terrible. Argument I just. I, go back to what Lou. Tranquillity has said on this show before former guests of not only show with high stakes low. He's an idiot. Now. He kinda attributed this to running backs rookie running backs. He gives them like four five, maybe six games, and then he's really ready to form an opinion on after that and by and large. If you look at the history, you know that's that's more true than that. You know most of the time most of the time. Yeah, and I've sort of applied at the other rookies to now I don't think you can apply that to tight ends or quarterbacks really but I think there's something to be separate receivers and he had a didn't even injury. Harry was hurt for quite a while last year. But now look at what the situation is. Now now he's catching passes from hoyer and stem or whatever but that's I'm not trying to. You know totally pimp him or anything. But WHO's he looking? Who's this competition receiver? Ataman when. He's an compliment. Cattleman meant like for all right right. Yeah, he's got to send you. Who May I mean? That guy could be caught by the way. They treat a second round. Pick for I. This is what I've heard, and this is the scuttle butt on the Internet Rubio on your other. No, no, no, no! MARQUEES lead. They signed. That's nothing matthew slater. He's a special teamer. Jacoby Myers Guy Sucks. Demere bird that then there's nothing there so to your point Dave, there is not a whole lot else there, but the board is bear. They drafted those two rookie tight ends in after the Aussie and Dalton. Shit Man. That's nothing. I just I don't I. Don't use the thing by the time they get some good. I'm not convinced first of all. I think choir stinks. It's just saying. Even a bad quarterback throws for three thousand yards and etta mental catch two thousand. All over the place whenever you know whenever I like Dude Adamant is the Guy I, said over and over on this show like target Ataman this year. You'RE GONNA catch time passes to factor in Sony. Michelle for like you know fifty yards of receiving for the year. Let's fifty well James White squall games white. We'll catch for Jimmy, exactly waiter over know how twenty four hundred yards, but kidding aside though I just I. Look at this from the standpoint of like okay well. What's Harry going to be like? How good is he going to be on the outside? Catching passes from de Hoyer and I'm GonNa put it on record. Record, I like Mikhael areas sleeper okay third. That's that's fine. If you're still listening I, do not touch on. I'll tell you this right now. kill Harry is going and football drafts yesterday. He went his wide receiver sixty four at fifteen, zero two. That's right behind Curtis Samuel and Golden Tate and it's right ahead of T. Higgins Paris, Campbell and Denzel mims. Actually life that slotting quite a bit I would. I would like him way more than those other clowns. who'd you take between Samuel and Harry if you didn't own DJ more? I would probably take Harry because the upside. But it's actually kind of you know what I think I would agree with you there In the Golden, goal and interesting, because you supposed to do with slayton shepherd, but TESA talented player and he came in mid year last year. You know I. I kinda like a little bit yeah. They got they got late in the. Fourth Round pick back when he was yeah, but I mean I just you know Barclay and Ingram. No thanks `tatoes play the most talented receiver out of those three he might, and that's still might not be enough to warrant a fourteen round. Pick on them. Yeah, you're right. still being rumored you yeah, okay, I'll tell you two guys that are going after them. Then I think I like better than Harry and this may be a mistake on my part. This is the whole mystery box thing with me. I think I'd rather have T. Higgins because I don't trust Aj. Green and I do trust the bengals to suck all the ball up. Don't care for TA okay. No, that's a hard pass. He's like. He's my draft. Okay, all right I. Just I think that they're going to be throwing a ton there this year and we saw a job for the job throws on. He's GonNa, make a lot of places. You have the credit for one year in college. Good exactly and all this crush one year for me. Fantasy Denzel mims I I think I like two better than Harry well. It's the same argument I. think that Bill. Belichick is going to run the ball a lot this year I. don't I don't I'm not saying I. Think New England is going to be in a lot of slobber knockers this year and it's there's not. He's not gonNA be lofting the ball to Harry involving him heavily. If I think it's GonNa be adult, but you have a gunslinger Sam darnold launching bombs to mins. You Kid around with that I've that serious. That's what's GonNa Happen I. Don't understand why this is such a weird by the way I do think darnold has been kind of you know he was twenty. In, the NFL I think he's been crapped on a little bit too much to I think he might actually come around. Yeah, I like him this year Do you like pair Perriman do? I, don't I, don't I? Don't mind that because he's super cheap. I mean he's he's borderline for you. See and that's the reason I don't like. This is the last two years. He's done nothing and then the last few weeks of the year. He crushes it. Which I guess is good for fantasy playoffs, but I gotta yards there. I liked men in the whole pre-draft process. You know and and I still like him rookie or not, it go that well especially off the Damian Harris Value Twenty Twenty to me. It's not that high because. we have seen what Bill Belichick does with these new. England running backs. I, know everybody got excited. We talked about this on the show last last week about everybody got excited about Harris when Michelle had another surgery, and it looks like he might even be breaking down already, which really suck for the Patriots. was he a first round pick in early second round pick Michelle. For late I, yeah to to to see him. To just so high, only Michelle, no matter what and that was a female your whole year have one of our Kentucky teams name that this year. Between, one of us we should name. One of them seems like that's worse than my job. Best thing and that was. Probably it. That was just a concussion issue. Only Michelle never had a fifty point fantasy game. I'll tell you that right okay, so but James White is there rex burkhead. Is there daming hairs obviously Sony? Michelle I just. Could work out a couple of weeks, but I'm not I'm not taking a chance on him. I feel like you have to you know you moving national treasury. If you use the code breaker, thing where you you know you, you take that device and you put it in a bunch of different ways, and then finally opens up. Feel like Harris. Tell at this year. That's what he has to do you. Have to get the code breaker device exactly right, and then it opens up, so I feel like that's too tough. I don't have to open a code breaker device to get gaming harasses value on unlock. Okay, so four running back, so they're going behind him right now that I'd rather have Damian. Harris AJ Dylan Josh Kelley. Carlos Hyde the he m hines, rather of all those guys Damien Harrison. I'm not what AJ dealing, but the other. Two Dylan, if Jones goes down, which mine you? Ended I on the year on I are two of the last three seasons with knee injuries which I know I. Think. That's a big deal. Because Engine Williams will separate tomorrow wins break. They look they soak the second round pick and AJ Dylan. We know the future of what the Front Office and the coaching staff thinks here in Green. Bay especially the point all right, and I cannot argue with the Wisconsin Guy, who goes talk shows about Wisconsin Crap Sports. Yeah, but. I mean you follow that too I? Mean well. I mean to a certain extent. I I've always news local and national, so just you. 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Episode 51: Free Agency Fallout Part 3

Establish The Run

38:55 min | 4 months ago

Episode 51: Free Agency Fallout Part 3

"Indeed has though welcome to episode fifty one of the official established run. Dot Com podcast. My name is Adam Levitan. I'm one of the CO founders here at Etr. I hope you're quarantine is going well and you're staying safe as always. I am joined by fellow each year. Co Founder. Evan Ciller. Evan has gone Harry old buddy good. I'm just trying to stay positive every day and you know. Try Not to get close to anybody for me. It's no problem not getting close to anybody. The problem for me is that Kids are home and all over me that said last time on my hands score though is the NFL stuff on the site right. Now you will find my fantasy winners and losers all free stuff Evan. Pack Rain and John Ferguson. Hurting Dynasty startup draft event is live. Blogging that Koreans updated his dynasty rankings to reflect all the latest news producer. Luke continues to kill it. The Youtube game be sure to subscribe there. It's free. We'll keep posting clips on the twitter. Handle BE SURE. Your filing at established run on twitter. So obviously you're worried about your health but we're also trying to keep you guys entertained and stay on top of all the. Nfl News so had decided to run DOT com. It's free check it out. Speak of news. Since we last spoke on Thursday. Evan there has been a kind of a second wave of moves. And it's Kinda quieted down. Now we're recording this on Tuesday one thirty. Pm. It's quieted down a lot. Now Ravi Anderson's still hasn't signed which we can talk about a little bit later but there are some notable signings that happened in the second wave. I think the most notable for fantasy purposes was. Melvin Gordon getting two years sixteen million dollars for the broncos and there's a lot of different takes about their out there about how it's GonNa play out. I have a strong opinion about how it's play out which I wrote about in the fantasy losers collar. But I'm curious. I your take on Elven Gordon and what you think will happen in Denver between Melvin Gordon Lindsay and I think the foundation can be. What do the people covering the team sank because they did a lot of their information from the team? And so You're what does the team anticipate? And I think that the Broncos Plan on utilized Gordon's that one a little balloon Zia's there won't be backfill. Quincy really I mean. And I know that he's been excellent but he he really profiles bats as a change of pace back and You know the. The broncos coaching staff last year which all offensively was a little bit different they had risking. Carello as their OC. Now they move on move onto Pat Shurmur even last even last year. They tried to minimize soap. Lindsay's role now overcame that obstacle. But then the season he was right back in the future back role playing ahead of Royce Freeman but now they really went out and made a monetary investment into mountain corden. Melvin Gordon is viewed as being better in the passing game then then fill. Wednesay is certainly is a better option can scoring position down near the goal line. And I think that Melvin Gordon is going to be that one eight to Philip. Lindsay's would be thinking the likeliest scenario. They gave them a good chunk of money really established in the league. He's better in specialized roles wins. You might be straight up one for one better runner like I would not dispute that but moving Gordon a little bit more complete. Yeah Oh and the big thing to me for fantasy is when you're not the preferred option past game which I don't think he will be killing seventy catches in thirty one career. Nfl Games Melvin. Gordon three catches for game the last couple of years when you're so I don't think Philip Lindsay is going to be the guy in the past game in the two minute drill in the four minutes rail on down asking me. Melvin Gordon then also has been very clear that they were looking for big back. They use race Freeman at the goal line. Finland's only ninety one ninety Malcolm Court at six one to fifteen and coaches have always liked us. Melvin Gordon around the goal line. Going back to his days at Wisconsin. So when you're not the pass catching back when you're not the goal line back. It's really really hard to have fantasy value. So even Lindsay is as good of a runner or better runner Gordon it kind of reminds me of those lions situations where they had like feel riddick was district pass catching back and and a blunt was the goal line back in so carry on. Johnson was the best player but he got all his work between the twenties. And it's just really hard to have a lot of fantastic success that way so to me. I think it's a quietly at a really solid landing spot from Alvin Gordon. I think he's GonNa go. I soon people's reaction initially was well. He's not that good. He's in a timeshare. He goes from field rivers. Did you lock or whatever I think? It's quietly a pretty good landing spot for about Gordon and part of the reason I think that is because of what they've done on the offensive line but they're done on defense signed former lions guard. Graham Glasgow for years. Forty FOUR MILLION DOLLAR DEAL. You mentioned in your in your tracker. Join James Don't rise. They're coming back. So I'm optimistic about the broncos offense wine in on defense they added aged boy that Dro Casey of the Franchise Tag on Justin Simmons. I know they lost Chris Harris which hers but still like they could easily be t- net a Lemes on their running backs Has Short passes? And you smell Gordon Allott. So I I like the way it's setting up for Melvin Gordon odds you follow what I'm saying about Offensive Line of Defense helping. Melvin Gordon. Roll here Yes yes. I think that he's going to be fourteen to eighteen. Touch per game back and My concern is like how much are they really going to score you know? Are they going to be super aggressive? Offensively how good is drew lock? I think they definitely need added another receiver. Maybe even to start. But I think we expect you know Steph four from now at fan but I think got away two ways to go in a lot of. It's just GONNA come down to drew. Lock mean he looked pretty good Toward the back half of last season. But you're really small sample size A lot like a lot of a lot of Just the ball kind of win. Us Way Last year at the He. Kinda benefited from that and I over sixteen game sample of the major major question. Mark Agree I do think after lock in play even league. Average levels broncos have a chance to surprise some people this year to a former Bronco Longtime Bronco Emmanuel Sanders two year. Sixty million as well gets it from the New Orleans Saints and You know this number two wide receiver role in New Orleans. I'm not sure if it's because trig wants myth Ted Ginn or good enough or if it's just because they don't use this number two role in their offense or for whatever reason it's kind of been dead zone do you think that Emmanuel Sanders GonNa make this not a dead zone across from Michael Thomas. I would say that. I don't think it's going to be a dead zone but I don't think it's going to be Highly lucrative from fantasy standpoint. I mean you have a major Alpha in Michael Thomas you have another outfight Alvin Kamara. They're not got targets away from him. Jared Cook was incredible over the last ten games last season average over sixty dollars per am scored nine touchdowns op. He really developed a lot of chemistry with drew. Brees I think as the season progressed I just think that the the media kind of like perception of Emmanuel Sanders is greater than actually what his onfield contributions are. Because I think he's like the good guy and can I like checks a lot of boxes that like you know people that don't really pay really close. Attention to the lugging his law gain. He can he can dance. I mean he he. He really did not have a particularly productive season year. He had he. He was a ghost in the playoffs. You had. I'm just one point yet. He had thirty three yards zero yards in thirty eight yards in their three playoff games Before that he had gone over sixty one yard once over his previous nine games. So I mean I think he's a fine player and I think he's a good role player and I think he was very fine. Real life pick up for the saints returns of fantasy production. Now this is not the old high flying saints any more and he is like number four in Lyon for targets so and I saw some argument about him on twitter like someone was like a lock thirty wide receiver and I was like No. I haven't Mike in the mid to late forties and it was talking about this with Wayne. Mcfarland twin McFarland and he was in lockstep about that. He's like he belongs in the forties a wide receiver. Four in to play devil's advocate on his numbers San Francisco. We talked a lot last year when talking about the a fast and stuff like that. How when San Francisco Wins? They impose their will with their defense in the run game and there just weren't a lot of attempts to go around a lot of steps to go around a lot of exceptions to be had. But let's say you're still was unable to produce. I do want to keep talking about San Francisco wide receiver situation though. I know you are optimistic. Depot enemy with Emmanuel Sanders gone. I think their depth chart now looks like Devaux Jalen Hurd a Kendrick. Board is the top three with Dante Pettis Rich James Behind and then I don't think there's going to be any type of prolific pass game but depot is certainly very impressive. And if you're on preseason it was a very short lived t preseason for Jalen Hurd last year but it was very impressive so I'm curious with Emmanuel Sanders now officially gone we route San Francisco Wider Sears. In the forty niners do two first round picks after trading the forest buckner to the coal at the number thirteen overall. That's like you know prime territory for like Jerry Judy and and ROB exam You know some of these other Cd Lamb and some of these other. Dues that are coming in. Who are just. I mean a lot of these guys have potential to make immediate impact that they're they're really that legit But they also use that like. I've seen mock drafts that have come out in US. Since the third wave of free agency kind of ended in Projecting them to take giovane kin laud piped through replaced Khnr I think that they could use help in their secondary. Still you know so i. I'm not sure they're necessarily going to go wide receiver. But I do think that there's a chance that that good especially with Number four number thirteen overall number thirty one overall For deebo Samuel. He looks like a green light. Go Right now. And it's not just because of what he can do as a receiver would how how aggressive they were using him in the running game like I think that he could lead all the guy who's really leading all receivers in rushing. It's out so ask you Robert Woods and over the past two years. He's added one point three Fantasy points per game to his total just from rushing. You know I mean. That's that's significant. That can win you a week. Fantasy head to head matchups in season longer. Decide all the time by one point three points or less you know so and I think the Deebo Samuel overtake him in that department is like the League premier rushing wide receiver which is not a statistic that we talk about that much. But I think that it's it's it's becoming more and more like wide receiver rushing attempts are really really efficient. Across the board and Deebo Samuel I think has a chance to lead all lifesavers rushing and and also take a big step forward in terms of receiving production. Yeah and I think it's going to be sticky like yards after catch Per reception is a sticky stat. And I think Deebo CB be right there among the league leaders for a long time just in the way that he plays. You didn't give any love to my oil Jalen Hurd Assuming they don't drop the first round wide receiver. Where can we can jalen her to be at the top one fifty yes? He made an appearance late in the preseason. The top fifty last year at the full amount because he suffered a year ending injury. You know but We have to keep an eye on his back injury because As of the Super Bowl he was unable to make the flight to the Super Bowl because his back we consider I if that law said the gone. From what San Francisco Miami you know? That's that's a long long way. So we have to keep an eye on his back but dude upside or Jalen. Hurd is incredible. I mean if everything comes together he becomes a big slot. It becomes like no poor. Man's Markus Karlsson. Because that's that's what he is. He's a big slot receiver and he can run the ball and potentially even be used in goal line situations so if you somehow was able to carve the starting slot receiver job for the forty niners which I think he very well could deebo Samuel primarily place outside and he were to somehow get involved in their running game and become a factor at the goal line. Like just imagine you know using a starting slot receiver with goal-line rushing equity? I mean that would just be a Lotta Fun for sure okay. Let's move to Tiger early because last week on the Thursday episode that we did last week. We talked about how we expected. Todd Gurley to either be treated for pennies or a cut and it turned out that he got cut by the rams. Just eat I believe. Like twenty million in dead. Cap Money. Todd Gurley Sunshine's a one year five million dollar deal with the Falcons. I mean it's amazing. Due to twenty five years old goes from top of the world top the NFL to a one year. Five million dollar deal from a fancy perspective. I think this is one of the best possible landing spots. He has like no competition. I mean Edo Smith Brian Hill. Quadra allison the problem. Is that this role. I mean. Devante Freeman in this role. Last year was like borderline unusable in the past. Like you know he was fine. He just couldn't find a ceiling. I'm Brian Hill. Had his big chance that he flubbed it. Also so this role. I'm worried about and obviously tigers knee. I'm worried about I do want to talk about the rams guys minute but first let's focus on how you think. Todd Gurley fits with the Atlanta Falcons. Yes same as you. I mean I think that this was a good landing spot. I think the fit is is strong. I think that he should be used more in the Aspen. Game in twenty twenty was last year for the Rams Elliot thirty one catches although despite the concerns with Disney and it certainly affected his activeness. Because you know you just look at almost any advanced that he was average or below average in any advance that they look out with flat tires or PSI for wherever he just is effective. Nece was way down. I think part of that was due to their offensive. Line was was one of the reasons that we were down on him entering last season. And I think the Falcons offensive line has to take a chance to take a really big step with a two first round picks at right guard and right tackle entering their second seasons. Jake Matthews is a really good left tackle and Alex. Mack is a really good center and left left guard. James Carpenter comes back. I'm he's just a returning starters not very good but they have like a chance to have a very good offensive line finally with early. I mean I see it the same as you is competition this week. You did hold up. Fifteen games at seventeen touches her game last season. So you know. He didn't like Miss Big Chunks of time during the neo just impacted. How effective was. I think he's GonNa be in a better situation to be more effective in Atlanta Yeah Yeah I think Tiger early the question is going to be. How healthy is he? And hopefully we'll get a read on that Come training camp because if he is healthy as his certainly are really good spot although he was just a cut He's still cleared the best player. The best running. Back on the Falcons right now. But more importantly though the thing that everybody's excited about I mean I think that one of the biggest risers if your best ball drafts right now has to be Daryl Henderson. I mean everybody's be falling all over themselves to get Darryl Henderson. After Tigers been released Henderson. I mean listen. They didn't like him last year. I mean what Sean mcvay does He doesn't play like anybody. Even close is starting line. Preseason enduro Harrison played a time in the preseason regular season he only on thirty nine carries and four catches all year in thirteen games That said extremely productive college player and now it seems like they don't have a choice. Malcolm Brown is like so unappetizing and sluggish. So how many touches do you think they're Henderson? Can Get in. How High Kandara Henderson get on draft boards before it gets out of control yet? I'm not sure at them right. Around seventy fifth overall in the top one fifty right now. Rb Twenty eight or something like that The Rams could still outta back General Hunterston could still end up being fifty fifty guy with Malcolm Brown Their offensive line is still a big question. Mark they have so many weapons in the passing game. Though I mean they gotta be able to rebound like well. I did show we were talking about. They really should become a twelve personnel team with tyler. Fbi and And Joe Everett and you know maybe use brandin cooks more situational deep threat. Or you know not not force Snaps onto Kubrick cups play as they did last year than you really faded. Hard down the stretch. They should be able to rebound and score points but Darrow Henderson like his pedigree. Coming out of Memphis was just fantastic. I mean he was your almost nine yards per carry over his final two seasons like in a big sample size. They ran a lot of Like power gap plays at Memphis though and The rams with early as in running back have been very much inside outside zone so and remember Matt. Waldman of football is a Jay Moyer. You're like really really you know. Indepth film analysts and they were talking about how Gerald Henderson just was not catching up with the catching on with his own scheme. And so that's that's why he plays so much in the preseason and just never caught on into big role and now they're they moved on from girly. Who you know the whole offense and the whole running game was you know it was built on and they changed their. Oc to Kevin O'CONNELL so I think that they may change their offense to suit their. They're you know the the guy that they traded four in last year's draft That they go with more got plays and if they use more tight headsets. I think they're going to be better blocking team Because you can use a lot of deception without with twelve personnel so I'm optimistic about him but I don't. I'm not anticipate shaming him up a whole lot higher than round. Pick number seventy five or so. Yeah and I think he'll be sexy and he'll he'll probably end up with ADP above that when it's all said and done. I was encouraged that That Gerald Henderson caught six balls in preseason game and Malcolm Brown such zero. The Past Malcolm Brown played a ton last year. Bear lead had targets let alone catches so. Nah Perspective. I think there'll Henderson We'll have a nice floors sumit's just Malcolm Brown just because he plays in the past game. I'm Malcolm Brown does not so. Yeah we'll see on that but certainly an exciting player to watch Keep going down the list. Your smaller signing Abroad two years. Twelve million dollars to the Pittsburgh steelers in argument comes in Pittsburgh at a time where it coincides with everybody down on the steelers because they were so bad last year in the past game however a lot of that had to do with them not even playing a pro style offense when you play. Devon Hodges and Mason Rudolph. They couldn't do anything in the past game. They resorted to Like single wing and just disastrous type offense fantasy but big band still only quote unquote only thirty eight. He's healthy says he's ready to throw a info ta is going on right now. He says he'd be throwing so Eric Hebron comes in here. I assume he's GONNA share time with Donald I'm curious what you think about that. Because he was a part time player when Jack Doyle was healthy. Indie doesn't mean he can't be productive at random seem as a full-time players. So how do you see Eric Brown McDonald than his Pittsburgh situation shaking out? Yeah I just I like to Bilo on We were talking earlier about Some offenses that on previous podcasts. About some offense that might like to stack in best ball this year and The cardinals came up the bengals. The giants I think the steelers belong in that mix. I think a lot of people are just GonNa Kinda I mean I've been looking at like use misusers. Adp and in Redraft Dynasty. I mean it's a round lower than it was last year and all that happened was Ben Rothlisberger got hurt. A JUJU got hurt. You know so people are really really down on Jeju. Deontay Johnson is like he's incredible by in any format of fantasy right now. He had in just a low key like awesome awesome rookie year. He was another guy who was dominant dude in the return game in college. And I think he's going to end up being a major major hit for the steelers that wide receiver. They've obviously had a lot of those James Connor. I seen him ranked so low by other fantasy. Ranker's got an RB seventeen. That's way above what I've seen him Ranked and then you know. Look Bet it all it all comes down to bet it's going to fall through the everything's GonNa fall art and gets hurt again but I think just at the prices all these guys cost right now and I don't think they're gonNA rise a whole lot heading toward the season. We're not gonNA have off season. Workouts is knocking off season. Hyper anything like that And I think that Eric Iran definitely falls into that. Luckett as a guy that you know. He's probably GONNA end up with an eighty around tight end fifteen and I mean if he scores eight or nine touchdowns he's going to be You know tight end six. And I think that I think is a great landing spot for Eric. Hebron obviously we would like to just have Vance McDonald out of the way MacDonald ranked last among all tight ends lecture. Nartz route run. Obviously he was not in a good situation. But I think that They I think that they're gonNA move over. Iran is primary. Pass Catching Titan. Yeah let's talk about what arguably leaves behind with the colts didn't spend a Lotta time. We talked about Philip. Rivers on guys like Jack Doyle and T. Y. Hilton also. I would note. The cold says ever mentioned the thirteenth. Pick for deforest buckner. So they're not in play to select one these Standout wide outs in the draft. But yeah I mean. Going percent was too cautious at times. wise inaccurate. At times I think they upgrade in Philip rivers. How much of a bump do you think is like Jack? Doyle T. Y. Hilton get this year with percent now acting as a very expensive backup. I think it's it's considerable I think it's significant First of all there's just not a whole lot of target competition for Ti Hilton in Indianapolis. We could definitely talk about like a scowl and Paris Campbell as sleeper in. I'm totally on board with that But right now it's you. A Hilton is clearly at the top of that. There's not a whole lot of competition really. I mean we're talking about like Mohali Cox. You know who's been you know a very limited role player so far for the colts challenging Jack Doyle Jack will clearly at the top at heap and yeah I mean I think did I think the colts our first of all. There's just so much familiarity in the coaching staff. Between Frank Reich and Nick Syrian and Philip Rivers. They were all together with the chargers. And they're they're not gonNA offseason workouts like they're just going to be ready to go whenever things starts and I think that gives them an advantage in. I think it Frank Reich is just so good at like looking at his personnel assessing the strengths assessing the weaknesses maximizing the strengths and minimizing the weaknesses. And he knows all about Philip rivers and this enabled great offensive line where they are returning all five starters so yeah. I think that this in the they play indoors like this offense can take a big step forward. I think that you code Clearly not the answer yet agreed Okay let's talk about Smaller signing Marcus. Mariota goes to the Las Vegas Slash Oakland Raiders. Two years seventeen point six million seven point five million guaranteed in twenty. Twenty's a decent amount. It's it's on the high end of the backup range for sure you think. That's a sign that they want him to push the cards think bars Mary too can push Derek Carr had he seen the quarterback situation out there with with raiders. I mean they're clearly not in love with with their car. They tried to go after. Tom Brady you know they give Marcus. Mariota pretty significant deal two year. Seventeen point six That's a very high end backup money. And then he also has a potential in his deal to make up to forty seven and a half million. I saw that that's ridiculous. Yeah but I mean. Hey you know if he becomes their starting quarterback that's and that's what he's going to be. We're not nice job by his agent for sure. Absolutely yeah I mean they. They got a high floor upside deal. No question but I think Derek Carr still like the heavy favorite especially just seen from arcus over the past three years. I still think there is a pretty good favorite to start sixteen games but I mean if he does start to struggle then you know then we have a legitimate or back controversy. The raiders paid. Marcus Mariota like a guy that is kind of fringe worthy competition to start for sure One other small item here as expected Cam. Newton was released. I find it interesting that the bears preferred nick foles To Cam and there's been a lot of smoke around a camp going to the chargers maybe I saw a friend of the show. Mike Leoni suggests that the bills should look at came as back to Josh Allen. Obviously have connections there I Dunno Cam Newton. I Nick foles. It seems like if healthy I mean God. Kim is way better option. I think as we talked about nobody knows if cameras healthy nobody may be able to find out due to what's going on with Corona. But what was your reaction when you think cam a should land and would you rather have foles or came if you weren't bears. I mean it's not even close much further out Cam Newton Dunn enough ripping of the bears. Like but I just like yeah. That's not even close. I think the CAM. The health is still the biggest obstacle. Because he had liz frank surgery in December only in March and teams are shutting down their facilities like so out about what about tyrod verse? Cam for the chargers. Who would you like to smash them yet in any kind of competition just can't even walk right now? I don't even know we'll be able to walk and even three months like Liz Frank Fracture surgery is no joke in any any off. You know I mean he didn't have it immediately after he suffered the injury. Put it off until December you they. They were kind of hoping that he would come back at some point. And that's why I did it. So it made sense at the time but now with everything that's going on in the world like he is the most effective player in the NFL. Fisher sticking with Panthers quarterbacks I have to talk about this just as a Xfl Fan Boy Phillip Walker. Was the first xfl player to sign with an NFL team. As expected the panthers give him a deal. Meanwhile I don't know how. But the Panthers Got Fifth Round. Pick for how Allen so now it's just Teddy Bridgewater Phillip Walker and will greer and I've seen people. Louis riddick suggests that Philip Walker can be out teddy bridgewater. He's better player than Teddy Bridgewater. Obviously Phillip Walker knows. Minero played for years For Matt Rule at Temple and Phil Walker. You know I mean a anybody who wants to xfl. It was obviously for her. Was the best player the MVP. There is no doubt about. He was also in the most quarterback friendly system for statistics. June Jones was zero tight. End Throw on seventy percent plays a four and five wide receiver based off said Phillip Walker Executed Scheme Impeccably and it was only five games but impeccably so I don't think that Phillip Walker is a realistic bed to beat out Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe that's a bad taste. I hope that I mean that'd be cool if he does for the XFL. I don't see that especially after they gave Teddy Bridgewater. Thirty three million of what was your reaction to Philip Walker signing with the panthers leading the pretty much the same as yours. I mean Phillip Walker. Wasn't very good temple first of all and he wasn't very good in the NFL. Preseason I mean he was up and down. I guess you would say all of a sudden. He just exploded under June Jones and they had a really nice Receiver core and you know. They just kind of they could spread spread out the field and you know out. Athlete did their opponents and Phil Walker was one of the best athletes in the XFL. I think it's the. Nfl is totally totally different game. And I'm not sure I don't know. Do you think the quality of thinking about this. Do you think that the quality of competition that Phillip Walker faced in a NFL? Preseason was similar better or significantly worse than what he faced on XFL. All I think from a talent level. The preseason is better. There's better talented. Nfl preseason game than there was in the xfl. I think though the the light preparation scheming and all that was obviously like teams were actually team that were just out there. Like messing around in the XFL. So yeah I mean got the some of the best players in the xfl were like guys who Could you could barely even get on the field in NFL. Preseason you know so I gave Williams and stuff like that so so yeah I I agree with you that I don't WanNa get too high on soap opera. Just a fun story for sure in stuff fun story. I'll be rooting for him for sure guys. I wanted to mention before we jump off here who spend a lot of time on last week. I would be John Brennan. We mentioned him briefly. When we talked about the step digs deal. John Brown was oddly consistent. Last year he had more than ten draftkings points. Thirteen to fifteen games last year. But you only went over. Twenty drafts points twice all year. It's just with Steph digs coming in there and taking targets share. I mean a flows twenty-first last year pastimes per game John was thirty second in. Completion percentage among qualifying quarterbacks. It's just hard for me to see Josh Allen supporting more than one wide receiver. So I had John. Brand is a pretty significant fantasy loser. I'm here how much down John Brown. The top one fifty With Steph digs coming aboard now buffalo. His consistency is really gonNA take a big hit. You know you mentioned last year that he was consistent which is not necessarily something that you know not not not a viewpoint that a lot of people have John Brown but he was consistent and now I think he's going to really struggled for consistency. I think all those guys are gonNA struggle for consistency Beasley was evil consistent last year. But I think that would digs going in there and moving into that just dropping digs into the Mackenzie role you know. That's GonNa throw everything for throw everything in flux and Devin single -Tario thank you know. We'll be a bigger veteran passing game this season so we'll also knocks so i. I just think that you know. Just Take Josh our. I think I'm going to have Josh Mallon's Q. Oh Yeah Oh Yeah Oh Daddy John jet chance to rush for seven eight hundred nine hundred yards without a doubt and then also take a step forward as a pastor. I mean he's not like drawing dead to like become a league average passer like. It's unlikely maybe. But he's not drugstore debt to do so and stuff takes in we help. I think he's got like NFL. Mvp range a range of outcomes sites like eighty to one like. Give me some Josh Allen. Yeah I mean and with Tom Brady gone if you think that New England is going to take a step back legit chance to win the division. I mean they they. Would you might pick to win the division right now without debt He throws for twenty seven runs for twelve. They go out twelve and four win. The Division Win the Super Bowl Josh Allen. Vp answer boy trapped twitter would just have to delete all of themselves. If if that don't judge Allen was like the enemy of draft twitter like I've never seen a draft twitter hate a prospect more. It'd Josh Allen don't even follow that closely but I that's a fair statement right Evan. I mean they ate it Josh Town. I think that they've been right to some extent like they have been right about his passing accuracy. And he's just wild but I think that what we did not take into account enough and I don't think there was any reason to because Josh Allen was not a great scrambler at Wyoming was just how much value you can add with his legs. Because he's been like you know top three rushing quarterback over the last two seasons and that wasn't necessarily evident on his Wyoming taper even in his statistics last guy I want to get to today's will fuller. Because there's two ways this can go. You can either argue that with John. Jay Hopkins Gone. That will fuller is going to see more targets. And he's going to be able to produce on those targets you could also argue. That will fuller is not the type of player who can run the type of routes that Andre Hopkins ran and therefore will for is not really going to see a role change. I honestly don't know where I'm at on Willfuller yet. I think he's an awesome awesome player. I understand that he's been hurt at time. Missed six games in twenty seventeen missed. Nine Games twenty eighteen misfire games last year. Let's say he stays healthy? Do you think he can fill some or a lot of wonder? Hopkins was doing or we still going to see the role that will fuller was in before. Because there's a lot of different ways to go now. I don't think he's smart to gender options but I mean I definitely think that he can take a big spike in terms of his opportunity. I did like a positive tweet about willful are the other day and like every every response was like. Nobody's you know it's like I don't know that. Of course he has an injury history. That's going to keep a lid on his ADP. I mean you know this guy really if you I mean I I couldn't like I'm doing new top top on fifty and I'm like about sixty percent done with it and I couldn't I wanted to push 'em up further every single time that looked at now and because his situation is so so optimal I understand. He's got an injury history but also understand that players would injury histories. Don't always continue to get injured. You know year after year So and like you know. This is a guy that you're gonna be a draft like wide receiver twenty eight and gives you wide receiver six overall upside and like nobody in his cheer gives you that kind of upside but he does you know. And Hey you don't have to start 'em in the weeks where he's enacted okay so if we get thirteen weeks out of them. I mean like full full speed ahead. And that's what we kind of hope for with will fuller who absolutely league-winning. And I think that Kenny stills in the second year in the offense also has upside In that you know because I'm not GONNA be trying to go after Randall. Cobb or even David Johnson or you. The tight ends that they have. We'll like the exact kind of player that I liked to target in season-long I I think guys are injured prone until they're not right and I get that. Some guys are injury prone throughout their career. But I'm old enough to remember when Matthew Stafford considered like most injury prone player in the NFL and then he just ripped off like five straight full sixteen game seasons before this past one You know so i. I understand that he's had soft tissues. He's at other issues. It is what Liz Evans Point. That people forget is like what he's heard you. Don't take zero. I think I'm good enough. Where my bench is going to be deep enough? I'm going to have a good enough team where I can survive the weeks where he's out so just pretend like when we'll hurt that I take zero is just a silly thing to think about. So if you're up for grinding the waiver wire heart all year if you're up for managing your bench all year really well then you know. The injuries should opt for trying to win. Yes exactly exactly. I know all you guys. Listen to this China win. Maybe you don't need to hear that but yet willfuller. I think if you really getting an injury discount I would be one met with that would be extremely plus CD to take advantage of injury. Discount Willfuller investors drafts. Or whatever are GonNa do it for this week's podcast actually be back later this week with the first ever. Solo PIE ON THE STREET. I guys listened to you last edge. Podcast I did talk. Give update about what's going on with me. What's going on with the podcast? So I hope you'll take it's eight minutes long. Take eight minutes to listen to. The last edge podcast. You can find that on ITV's daily fantasy edge so for producer nuke for Evan. I am Adam. Stay safe everybody and good luck.

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Episode 74: Silva Top 150 Risers and Fallers

Establish The Run

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Episode 74: Silva Top 150 Risers and Fallers

"Welcome to episode seventy, four of the official established dot Com podcast my name's Adam Levitin one of the cofounders here at Etr as always I'm joined by fellow Co founder, the Lord of the top one fifty Evan. Silva and we are roughly one month away from training Kim opening. It is time to get serious. My friend has it going. It's going good today. We're GONNA be talking about. Some adjustments that have been made to the top one fifty we did add a feature a at established the run DOT COM has rankings changes, explanations and that's going to be. Ineffective through the start of week one said a lot of people find that as a very very helpful feature you understanding why guys are moving around the top one fifty. We're also going to talk about some ADP. Changes And maybe one strategy take at the end. And we also just recorded a podcast with Gregg Rosenthal now of NFL networks, NFL dot com slash the around the League podcast and Eagles GonNa. He would kind of both of us on the map and there was a great discussion so. If you're into that kind of stuff out. Yeah, for sure I wanted to remind everybody of couple of things. I team by team. Previews have started to go up on the site. If you don't follow anything all OPS. You weren't following us on twitter. You weren't listening to any shows. You just WANNA show up and start getting ready. If you take the time to read each one of Evans team by team previews, they're like eight hundred nine hundred words or so you'll be way way. Way Way Ahead of the game, and so we're GONNA, post those slowly as they come out. I think we have five six seven up so far we'll get the next all of them out over the next month or so, but I think that's a really good way to catch up. Second thing is really we would really appreciate. You. Guys left us a review on. ITUNES would help us out a bunch and the last thing is the early bird special that is up on the. The site right now will not last forever, and it is by far by far the best deal we will be offering all summer are with that. Let's get to the topics at hand I talk about his cuyler Murray Evan has dropped cuyler Murray in his rankings from the QB five to the QB seven. He is now behind Josh Allen. He's behind to Shawn. Watson. He's behind Russ Wilson. I think the argument for Calorie breakout which a lot of people are on. Is I mean laster who? Who qb eleven has just stone rookie coming in cold with a new coaching staff, total dust as as weaponry, Fitzgerald keyshawn Johnson. Demure Bird didn't even use India's Bella. Now in your to nother year in the system of the year in the NFL. Now he has the Andrea Hopkins, so there. There's a lot in favor of of cuyler. Murray and I think you'll be seven is still fine. But why is he now? Behind? Shawn, Watson and Russell Wilson whereas before. He wasn't front those guys. And so is writing up the the fantasy team previews. On digging in and doing more research on teams, and in player, ten and especially team tendencies, and on just how every every player sort of fitting into their offense, and where they are coming in from ADP standpoint. You know I'm looking at the second tier I'm writing the cardinal's T. fancy I do them in alphabetical order. So the zone kernels are obviously near the top and I'm looking more into cuyler. Murray and I just decided I didn't like him as much as the other second year quarterback, so we have Patrick Mahomes in the Mark Jackson the first year. And then the second tier leads off with that Prescott and Josh Channel, and then I had Kyle Murray right there as the number five fantasy quarterback, so what I did I just moved him to the back of that two year, which pushed him behind the Shawn Watson in behind Russell Wilson. so that took him from quarterback five quarterback seven. That's GonNa make him. A considerably lower on Colori. THAN ADP! And we're probably not going to be getting a whole lot of cuyler Murray but I think that he is a guy that is being overdrafted right now. I mean his ADP is actually above dot. Prescott, right now is the quarterback three according to F. F.. E. C. ADP. you know I think that this team is going to run the ball a lot. They finished the day they wanted to finish. Really high in terms of total offensive plays last year, and they did not. They finished twenty second in ofensive plays I. Think they'll probably finish closer to the middle of act even if Potentially a little bit better than than the middle of the pack is year in an offensive plays rhyme, but they were so good in the running game. and I think that's going to continue to be a big focus of their offense. Because of how down that they were on the ground again, they were number two football outsiders, rushing devi away behind we the Ravens, so I think this is going to be a good year for College Murray. We still have him as a top seven quarterback. We still have him in a second tier, but I. I I'm comfortable being lower Owen Color Murray than consensus. That's we're going to have him for the foreseeable future. Yes, we're talking about the Shawn. Watson Russell. Wilson he sleep behind. He's not. We're not talking about sliding in behind. Total scrubs the one thing I would say about cuyler Murray aside from what I said at the beginning was I was afraid he just wasn't gonNA run beginning last year. Remember he wasn't running at all. Then at the end of the year, he started run more now. If you think you can project him for seven eight nine hundred yards, rushing our talking massive upside last year, there are a lot of games. He just didn't show it. Maybe it was injury related anything about his rushing up a for this year more or less than last year. It was kind of up and down as you mentioned, it looked bleak for him like they weren't put giving him any active. Designed runs in three or four weeks eventually they loosen that up a little bit I wonder if they might even try to scale that back this year, because now they have better weaponry. In the passing Game Kenyan Drake, his upgrade on what they had it at running back off for most of last season I'm in down the stretch. She was His pay stats over his eight games with the cardinals I, he was over thirteen hundred yards and. Fourteen touchdowns in fifty six catches just from a standpoint and then adding Andrea Hopkins. To the mix you know, are they? Are they going to become more of a on a team? That doesn't run Calamar. emplaced balanced offense, and I think that we're a year away still from column Ary Advancing into that that Dak, Prescott. In above Shawn Watson into that kind of territory, so I feel comfortable, having him still in a second tier, but just not as high as the Shawn Watson and Russell Wilson Russell Wilson has. An immense amount of upside as well I mean they. There have been rumors that the might Siamese Tonio Brown. Decay metcalf to just. Explode his second year with the team. Their defence still doesn't look very good, I mean they. One of the weakest pass rushes in the NFL So? Yeah, I feel good about column at the end of a tier two. Okay, let's get to an injury situation. Haven't heard had that many injuries because guys aren't really working out and stuff like that. At least they're not working out with other players Sony Michelle. You've dropped him from rb. Thirty two to RB forty eight in the wake of his recent foot injury. Let me read you Sony Michelle's injury history and this is one of the reasons I couldn't believe that bill cheque's. Cheque's the first round pick on Sony Michelle but anyways ACL tear in high school twenty seventeen knee. Injury Sec, championship game twenty eighteen. He need fluid procedure causing the time twenty, one, thousand, nine hundred last year. He had any scope in the now foot surgery. He says he'll be fine, but man. They use a third round. Pick on Damian. Harris, have REX burkhead. They still have James White. It's like doesn't play in the past game, so I'm all for dropping Sony. Michelle like a stone. Even if you think the Patriots are going to be reasonably good without Tom, Brady, so rb forty eight feels to me like you likely won't get much Tony. Michelle have to keep an iron the injury news, but I really don't want any of him anyways. I mean and he had this foot surgery. We still don't know what kind of foot surgery it was that that has not been revealed yet, but I think it's safe to say that a running back obviously relies on its feet, having surgery. Honesty is probably not a good side. Just compounds the concerns regarding his knee. I, in that that knee injury is significant I'll talk to Dr Child about that specifically. He's not optimistic about the long term future of Sony Michelle, so now we have a running back on what's proudly going to be a low scoring patriots team doesn't catch passes, and he has knee and foot injury concerns, so yeah, I wanted to get him just well out of range with where any of our readers are going to be drafting him I. Don't want him on. Any of my teams is GonNa be on the shy away forty list. We put that out in August. And I moved James. White and Damian Harris up a bit, but at the end of the day just I'm not real optimistic about this backfield, giving us reliable points this year. Yeah, they pretty clear cut situation there. Let's stay in the running backs in the AFC east Zach. Moss and I like this when you move Zach Moss from rb. Sixty two RB FORTY-SEVEN I talked with pack rain a little bit a few episodes ago about Zach mosques, being a zero RV candidate, and doesn't zero became A. He'd just be a good pig. No matter what strategy you're employing because I think people realize I. Mean Frank Got Eleven. Eleven touches per game last year, and that was even with him getting phased outs like just one or two touches a game down the stretch. She had eleven touches per game, and then these around three pig on Zach Moss and they can use him right away. I think as a big back. He has some td equity, even though the Josh Allen Down there some men that he has a ton of upside of signatory. Happening got hurt so I like Zach Moss as the pig in dining underrated dynasty drafts I. think he's underrated in redraft now. The why move now from Zach Moss rb sixty up to RB forty seven. This movie was based on a combination of doing live drafts. Myself some of them with more guys. on Siegel who originated zero RV theory and has a really great track record of of. Of being a great fantasy football player himself. Also did the bills team preview which out live on the site and Sean? SEAGAL has taken Zach Moss Laden address. That I've done with anything multiple times, and so I started to look a little bit more into Zach Moss myself who originally started for a short yardage slash goal line role behind Devon single terry and I really started thinking you know. Is Our Chances Zach. Moss could actually overtake Devon single. Terry as the bills leader issue over these guys are third round pick Devin singles day was drafted the third round draft in the third round. Zach Moss ways junior twenty three pounds. Devon singles. Jerry ways to three and Zach Moss caught a bunch of passes in college so. I just I think there's more of a chance there that Zach. Mosques could actually end up. At least a making us an even committee, if not out touching Devon single terry this year, so I, and I also look deeper into Devon single terry I just don't see the upside seven single tear. He really wasn't targeted heavily last year in the passing game outside of that playoff loss to the Texans. Again! He's tuned three pounds. And what is touchdown equity when he's Got Josh Allen and Zach Moss as probably superior options at the goal line and his Devon, single, terry at five, eight, five, nine, two, three. so the upside really just isn't there and I think that at this point I would much rather have Zach Moss. Is My rv five then Devon single terry as rb to like I, don't want. To right, and if you go back and read pack rains like how to hit on rb article talks about how they are trap running backs going around three round four around five as we're typically find them where people are just like. Betting on just straight volume projection, but that is. Not something that we can be too reliant on these kind of muddled backfield's and and yeah I think Dempsey is one of those people are reaching on the arbitration I really WanNa be taking wide receivers in round, three or four five, where it's like so so so plentiful speaking of the guys. She'd been getting around three four five. Let's go to Alan Robinson. Being raised here in Evans rankings raised Alan Robinson from wide receiver fourteen to wide receivers six. Albums was like the first of the Penn state guys to have like the juice in that. Combine numbers like man, our outrages vertical, and he is produce with some truly truly woeful quarterbacks. I believe is only quarterback. He's had in the NFL are Blake, Bortles and Mitchell Trubisky, and I know big dig. Nick is no world-beater, but if you remove the Jeff Fisher year I think it was two thousand fifteen in Saint. Louis which Jeff Fisher Nick foles I thought has actually been like reasonable like an I'm willing to throw out the Disaster Jeff Fisher year, so Robinson though up to wide receiver six. That is a big big move. You're going to be well ahead of market on out Robinson Wide Receiver six talk to the people. So. I think it before Alan Robinson was in arranged at this again has to do with these. Doing drafts myself, but I think the before Alan Robinson was arranged. wasn't gonNA wasn't getting. And there really is I. Think a big Big Group of sort of. Second Half Wide Receiver, ones and first half wide receiver twos that are all kind of the same. And as I was doing the bears team preview present doing these live drafts I, just I wanted more Allen Robinson because it really adds up to on him, potentially having monster year as you mentioned Nick Foles, probably the best quarterback of his career I mean even going back to college at Matt McCoy New in Christian Hackenberg where the guys throwing him passes. He goes to the NFL Mitchell trubisky in. Bortles and now you look at who he is, and so I think that there is potentially substantial upgrade at the quarterback position for him. Now he's competing targets with Ted Ginn who is really on his last legs at age thirty, five thirty six anthony. Miller who really you know I like him as a player. He's fine, but he really has not made a dent yet. and then this mishmash of tight ends with the rookie goal Cama- or Jimmy Grams, wash then. I loved it. Matinee Nagy has own Robinson running forty one percent of its routes in the slot. At last year on inch dominated in the slot, he averaged two point two yard for Outrun. He was eighth among fifty seven qualified receivers in yards per slot at run. That's actually a great way to manufacture catches. Rowan Robinson Sean Payton in New Orleans, does that all the time with Michael Thomas and it's just a great way to get the ball to your best player on and their target rates in the slot, a really really high like when when they go into side. There's a significant. Rise in the likelihood that they're going to see a target in there, and that's the case with. Robinson and and Michael Thomas Robinson last year finished number seven in the NFL in receptions was number three in the NFL targets and the more that I looked into my thought going into his contract to your He's at at at his age peak at age twenty seven. I think that this guy could catch one hundred ten balls this season with that week. Target Competition in. The improve quarterback play so yeah, I decided I think we want to be bullish on out. We were bullish on him last year we had him as the number one by all forms of fantasy, dynasty and everything last year did have a great season. I think he can have the best season of his career season. Yep Okay I'm on board with that for sure I. WanNa. Move to a sadder situation. Does deebo Samuel Situation in the fallout from that because I know avenue extremely high on deebo Samuel coming into this year. I don't know. Man broke his left foot each surgery. Connor Jones factor fracture, some people around the team or saint. He'll be back for the year. That doesn't make much sense to me. I think is a very risky starts to your arm, reserve pup and then knows. From there. You dropped him from wide receiver twenty eight to wide receiver forty five. They don't have a lot behind him I mean Britain. Kendrick born Jalen Hurd who I liked, but his only played fifty preseason snaps the NFL Dante. Pettis obviously out of favor last year. There are rumors I think around Antonio Brown possibly showing interest with them showing in Tony Brown I don't know if that'll come to for sure but watterson position in San. Francisco's wide open and I'm curious if this is. Your outlook on Jimmy Garoppolo, who we talked about a couple of episodes ago, also, but yeah talked me about the fallout from the Deebo. Samuel Injury. I hated making this change because I. Really really wanted to be high on deebo Samuel this year, but the Jones fracture when she suffered in the middle of June is is ten to twelve weeks. Supposedly that would put him right in week. One but Dr Child Thinks Depot Samuels going on reserve B. E., which would knock him out for the first six games actually had a bad injury. History at South Carolina really wasn't a big time player until his senior year and these Jones fractures of a very high susceptibility to setbacks Sammy Watkins at one and It's like what you really need. Is Your time off the? The foot and you know. How do you get Deebo Samuel time off the foot by him on reserve up, not by rushing him back where he up, the susceptibility of a setback would rise so I moved from from a wide receiver. twos lashed three to a wide receiver. Four slash five an. I'm not even sure that that's low enough. and I think as much that he decided I think he's. GonNa be on the shy away forty this year. Deebo Samuel because he's just not a good fantasy. Bet Anymore and he there is a decent chance I think that he doesn't even finish August still inside the top one fifty. A, you have Brandon I. You guys the wide receiver forty six now I dating the like Kendrick, born a reasonable amount, born playing time and the guy. Almost site about is Jalen, Hurd and hatchback team preseason Jalen hurt comes down his first preseason game scores. Two touchdowns in his first game How do you see it behind Deebo? Samuel, shaking out, assuming they don't sign Antonio Brown and assuming deebo start your own. Well, first of all with Garoppolo. I was tempted to back off. The Jimmy Garoppolo MVP longshot stance after Samuel's Adidas female staffer, the a Jones fracture, but you know I thought about it some more and. Even if half the targets that we're going to go to Bibo, on a per game basis, or you know some one third go to George biddle instead I mean I'm even more bullish on Jimmy G.. So I'm not going to be backing off that I. WanNa Take George Kittle in the second round, and I wanna take Jimmy Garoppolo in the eleventh or the. The twelfth or whatever and I WANNA make that one of my highest own stacks this season, and then you. I think you could add bright. Brandon I, you or Jalen. Hurd relate to complete the team stack also think Coleman is a good enough value in the ninth or tenth round as part of a forty niner stack, I think their offense is going to. Stay, functioning at a at a very very high rate, I was doing a live slow draft when the Deebo Samuel. Injury was reported and wound up taking brandon. You like my wide receiver, five and Jalen. Hurd is like my wide receiver seven late late in that draft IBO, Samuel unfortunately had already been drafted but That's kind of the way that I'm approaching it in and I agree with you about Kendrick born, and that's a guy that they really feel like. They can trust I. Think you know and I think that he is going to end up seeing a significant amount of playing time. It's just he's just doesn't have a whole lot of playmaking ability, but I do think he's going to be. A frustrating guy that ends up being on the field more than probably should yep, and did move George Kato Up to Number Nineteen overall from number twenty nine. Overall as results of the deebo Samuel injury, okay, no injury on Jay Green, but you dropped age from wide receiver thirty one to wide receiver thirty eight. Four riders set, and there's a lot of mouths to feed in Cincy and I have been I. Keep trying to find like plus you twenty plus to thirty on Joe Borough for rookie of the year because it's just I think really well for him to put up. Good numbers given their defense giving us the supporting cast that he has I mean four riders. He Reset Aj Green Tyler. Boy John Ross, t higgins, they have Joe Mixon. They have Geo Bernard de Vries. Vries will play a tight end with Zuma so You know I get. There's a Lotta mouths to feed, but if agent is healthy men, he'd really was in Alpha. I don't know and there's some skepticism that his injury was as severe as he led on last year. A lot of people think he just wanted to sit out in measuring and get hurt again before securing a bag, so why drop A. J. Green now from wide receiver thirty one to thirty eight. And this was another instance of doing the Bengals, a fantasy team preview, just looking into all of Aj Greens red flags and really. You. Know it's. It's rough. I mean it I just I think he's a guy that I'm only going to take falls well passes ADP. Because you have contract concerns, you have a whole central. Hold up concerns. You have his age. He's thirty two now. You have significant injury concerns. He's missed twenty three games over the past two seasons with foot injuries. Effectiveness. We have no idea what what he has left his tank right now you know and the ability to although Zach Taylor did declare him a hundred percent healthy. He ability to sustain. That health got a new quarterback. There have been rumors for a while that A. J. Green doesn't WanNa play for the bengals ever again. ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported that last year that he doesn't WanNa play for the bengals again. He's like a quiet guy. He doesn't. He's not a guy who's going to you know, create like a a big circus about it, but. There are just so many red flags on this guy. He didn't play football last year again entering his age thirty two season I. Just think that we need to have a G. Green is boom bust, wide receiver food, or and not having ranked as wide receiver three. On I think we still have a shot to get him if you really want him. At this ranking but I just wanted to continue to push him out of the rage because there's a really really. Here yeah, and did you say a very early second round? Pick on Higgins and John Ross I. Think is obviously a former Tottenham. Pig very very showed last year. Put up some big numbers to so certainly not a clean target competition, raging green either I'm still tempted by him. Just because got I loved playing Aj Green when he was right, but will say okay by the. We're talking about ADP a little bit here If you go to the site and we're working on getting a separate ADP, Tab, but for now we are pulling in. In the F. FCC high stakes. ADP, which I think is super, super vibrant and find that in our F.. FCC Top three hundred rankings, also. If you go to the full PBR rankings, you can find a consensus of some other eighty P in there as well and so we're trying our best. We're not using any mock draft ADP. Be I think that's completely useless, but we're trying to do our best to pull in as many actual real league money ADP as we can for you guys with that in mind. Mile Sanders ADP continues to. Rise I mean my centers now is going like one point oh seven NFL. As we talked about earlier. podcast episode is extremely running back heavy, but still one point zero seven and the rhetoric from beat writers just off the charts when end Peterson to I mean masters, Guy. We're not gonNA. Sign XYZ we're not signs Monte Freeman, assigned Carlos Hyde whatever whatever we'll see if that that comes to offer wishing at all, but either way this very clearly mile sanders backfield people. People are gonNA. Say Hey. The history of Doug Peterson Does Not Warren, one point no seven and the other side is. He's never had a back like Mile Sanders, so the second straight year I think we are way higher way higher than consensus on Mao centers, but now at to the point where everybody's on the bandwagon. So what do we do now that mile centers going like seventh overall. Yes so this one! I was a little surprised to see that. My Mile Sanders ADP's actually rising it up for the last four days in high stakes F. F F F BBC draft, so he's gone basically a fringe first round pick to solid league, a first round pick in the middle of around one and. I'm not convinced that the eagles are done fishing for a veteran free agent running backs. They were connected to Carlos I'd before he signed Seattle and Devante Freeman who is still unsigned. Make it very easily go sign, Devante Freeman, and like we were really high on Mile Sanders last year. He hit and we. We have him as the tenth overall player this year. But now he's the seventh overall player in F. F. E.. C. ADP so if this trend continues and hold strong. WE'RE NOT GONNA be getting much mild sanders this year and I I think that that's surprising because I believe that having him at one point ten. Oh. For sure yet I'm fine with that I think as more casualties come into the market in August and September. You'll see mile. Centers ADP drop a little bit, and if if they signed Devante Freeman or I dunno Lamar, Miller, I don't even know who else they could sign, but you'll see ADP drop there as well so I think now would not be the time if he wanted Mile Center shares to be on him, it's probably. Probably the peak of his ADP right now sitting of ADP and hype you can. Metcalfe's ADP is now ahead of power lockets, and that's a little surprising to me I love decay. Metcalf met his ADP now. That was fifty two point two Tyler Lockett. Who I also love. His ADP is fifty three point eight. Are You surprised? That became? Calf is now going ahead of Tyler Lockett in. Can you make a case for that? Well into because this is not the case in all ADP's like. If you go to Yahoos, ADP lock, it is still ahead of decay metcalf. But IN SHARPER ADP. I think it's really interesting. Like Vicky, metcalf, outscoring and overtaking Tyler Lockett, as as the seahawks number. One receiver is a possibility that we've discussed on this gas before, and I think it's. It's very very real I. Don't think it's a likelihood enough to rank metcalf ahead of Tyler Lockett. You look at the chemistry that Russell Wilson Lockett of Bill. It's right up there with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and Aaron Rodgers in Defense Adams, and we've also talked about how I really WanNa be betting on these established quarterback to pass catcher report is specially. This particular year. I think it's always a really good processed especially because you know. I mean Russell. Wilson's just can have is. With Philip, Dorsett, and then the day you know that that that smaller chance that bill says going to get that target I think becomes even smaller You know when the when the? When the bullets are firing in an actual game and Russia's GonNa look to get or or decay, and he has the most established rapport with Tyler Lockett. and so I think it's still like fifty percent chance that maybe even sixty percent chance that lock it leads Seattle receiving. Met Catholic thirty to forty percent and ten percent for the field. But Yeah I'm on the locket side of this debate even as the ADP changes. I just really. Had A lot of success over the years banking on those established a quarterback pass catcher. Reports and Tyler, Lockett is right up there with the the most established chemistry battery mates in the week. Yeah, well, we're on this, I wanNA, get your take on Antonio Brown. Because I know a lot of people. There's a lot of chatter out there about where should I take Antonio Brown's? Should I take twenty round? Where's he going to land? I hope he doesn't landed Seattle. Because one thing you can project, you know they don't have a tight end. End Take a Lotta targets. They don't have a running back. Taking a lot of targets you win. Win Ross throws thirty five forty times in game. Scherzer that happens. It's just absolute party for Deakin mcgaugh antilock. I don't really want anyone to block. That said I could see Antonio Brown if his head is on straight fitting in reasonably well there are you taking tonio? Brandon drafts currently in. How would you handle him? Where do you think he's GonNa land. We added Antonio. Brown's the top one fifty own, say two or three weeks ago and right now he is thinking the one twenty around one. I WANNA see. He's one twenty one. I think it's likely and first of all. He's a much better best ball pick than he is. In redraft I understand that has become cliche, but it's especially true in this case because. He's very likely to face early early season suspension. I think it would probably be four to six games, and in season-long redraft like studying a work like you can't hang onto a dude for I mean you could probably withstand stand for for the four-game suspension, but I think the six game suspension is probably likelier, and that's just. It's really hard to hold onto a guy you know. Those first waiver runs through the the first note s by weeks all how deep your benches but yeah! Absolutely and yeah, and that's also a really big fact. But You know but in best ball. That doesn't matter as much now because you're going to be locking in those ten games, and you don't have to deal with you. Know setting your lineup. On a weekly basis we within those first four to six so. I think that's really important to note but. You know if Antonio Brown does go to Seattle like all in an on Russell. Wilson I think that Russell Wilson would move maybe above actress, maybe right below I think. Certainly we put him up behind or ahead of Josh Allen Yes. We brought him. Is The quarterback for behind Lamar, mahomes and and deck, but that would be a great great lift it, but he would. Would very much damage toddler lock it in decay metcalf, because it's already relatively run first team and I mean those those guys are kind of their their their surviving on the margins, because they don't get targeted at a very high rate. They were both under seven targets for game last year. Yeah, bear on, Antonio is we don't know how long the suspension is going to be. When he comes back I mean I think there's students very clearly had some mental problems we don't know. He's GonNa. Sustained being back and we also don't know how he's going to be hasn't played football in in. You know a year and a half. That's the barricades on Tonio. Brown you know I. Think if you can get him if you're drafting now and some best ball's. Late extremely late. I'm okay with it. I personally would not be reaching. For in Tonio Brown at this point. Art He looked pretty sick in the I know. Exposure with the Patriots last year and apparently he was just destroying. In raiders camp during his few practices there. yeah, he's been quiet. Though I, mean he. He really has been quiet now for us a sustained period and I think that's chances. It sounds like it's starting to get serious in. Teams want to win man. You can help them win for sure before we get out of here. I WanNa talk strategy for a second I. Know We have talked a lot about Dr preferred to draft off tears rather than the top one fifty I think this year is somewhat unique, and you need to think about lots of factors when you're drafting. Just because of how are be heavy. People are how rb Hungary. People are thought about this some Evan. What are you thinking about? Top One fifty I tears in how unique how you recommend people who have the draft kid use those? And this was a point that I wanted to touch on because we hire Michael. Yoni who is one of the best data analysts in in all of fantasy sports, and I talked to him a little bit about the top one fifty, and we made that big shift up for the Ryan Bax to better reflect the market. We talked about that on a a few podcasts ago, but if you are using the the top fifty, draft your team. Really positioned to come out of the early rounds with one or two running backs, and then you're hammering wide receivers in the fourth fifth and sixth rounds, and so on and I think that's right now based on how ADP's are based on. How rankings are I think that's the way to go. And I kinda wonder if. Using the won, the top on fifty might actually be a better strategy than using the tears which supported in the past is a better way to. Better means of drafting than the top one fifty I'm not sure that the tears will give you as big of an edge as they have. In past years, I think there might just be a great opportunity to simplify our drafts this year because it's I think it's clear that you need to come out of first round with at least one running back with. With the value starts to set in where you other people are drafting Abrahim, mustard and David Johnson kitten Kim acres in the fourth and fifth rounds. We've already got at least one running back on her team. And now we're hammering Terry, McLaren or Dookie mccafe Robert, woods or DJ shock. You know in those third and fourth rounds. I really WANNA. Be Hammering wide receivers. And taking you know starting off. Be. You're starting off our be tight end or something like that that allowed that puts us in position to just rip off you. Three or four wide receiver picks right there in those three through six and I think that that's where all the wide receiver value is, and then we can come back and address Arbutus, trying to piece together with guys in the middle rounds or No again, we we can start our yard. Be In this situation, but yeah. Draft like the top one fifty is linear. Right and I think that. As you look at We're the we're. The best values are I think the drafting in a in a linear? Way. Sort of started to capture the value especially in those rounds three through six. I was thinking about where I would like to draft this year if I could pick you know and my first thought and I tweeted that I thought that the first three picks you secure one of CMC, Saquon or insecure. One of those guys are such a huge opportunity gap, but then some people made the point while if you WanNa start, Arbi Arbi, and then you start to go really wide receiver, being the back end of the first one is actually better, because maybe go mile sanders, Kenyan drake where you could go i. don't know if you like. We don't like check, but if you like Josh Jacobson, Dr Henry or get two of them something like that. And then instead, if you only have CNC, saquon or Zeke, the running back starts to get a bit hairy there. There at the tooth return I think my point is more I. Don't mind only having one running back in the first couple of rounds in just go in tons of wide receivers and tight ends, and then try to get on some of those running backs that Korean and I had discussed crazy I've more articles about later around running backs to target, but anyways so long way of asking you. If you could pick anywhere right now, we'll come back to this. One's closer to drafting season if you could pick anywhere right now to pick in a draft, where would you pick? I. Usually have a good answer for that, and I don't yet this year. I need to do more address a dunk, but I need to do more, and I'll definitely have a take on that at some point. I've drafted teams from all over that that liked in also drafted teams from all over that I didn't like so I'm not entirely sure yet. But I will say this I. Do not want in any scenario. For me to be in the fourth round and looking at Rahim Oester or Devon, single Terry, or you know I I don't I don't WanNa. Be Drafting these guys in the fourth round on under any circumstances. I really don't want to draft David. Johnson, even though I have in a couple of drafts and I felt dirty afterwards. I don't want to be dropped some acres in the fifth round. His ADP SEC right now is five point one. Knows thank you. Oh. That's the scenario that I definitely want to avoid feeling like a half. Take these really really shaky. Not? Even necessarily high upside Arbutus in the fourth and fifth with routes yet for sure we'll talk a lot more about that. As we close to draft closer to drafting season, it's almost July drafting season, which I consider to be August in the first week of September will be here soon enough. Aren't. We said it all again, please. If you haven't picked up the draft kid, we talked a lot about the draft getting here. It's thirty dollars. It comes with twenty five dollar coupon to F F PC essentially making it. Five dollars I have been trying to convince Evan to make it more expensive for the last couple of months I. Think I'm GonNa. Wear him down and it will be more expensive soon, so go check out the draft kit. As soon as possible art for Evan. For producer Luke. I am out of good luck, everybody. Do.

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PICKSTAPE 02-11-20

Mickstape: The Barstool Basketball Podcast

23:15 min | 6 months ago

PICKSTAPE 02-11-20

"Home Uh Game Saints One. Two slain plane remains the best kept secrecy. It went platinum with the game. Call him out on that cell thirty three. Data's during literally anything true is like the broken like the key phrase foundation on now it is. It's a ice bucket. Challenge the budweisers Donate fifteen of his hundred. I don't think that's enough client for what. What do they have any money left? That's what now he's he's already given it all away away which I'm honey. I'm sick of them. I think twenty's enough twenties fifteen nine enough wrong fifteen You're bringing foundation of of nine like I found the best foundation known Sabar. So you know you cut that off a very small universe can't say the three of us have heard in many patients speak for yourself. Twenty Eighth Grade Fifteen also feels good. I think donating. It's not bad. No let's say it's bad to something deserves more. How about donating If I got one hundred I would I would give at least fifty boy put. Somebody's GonNa clip this and I think you should I if I eight hundred fifty fifteen. No I'm trying to help people Albouy easy to say when you have. You don't have one hundred games a good idea tomorrow. Redshirt goes to really gotta give half of this away. I didn't mean it fell as I am fucking hungry. Eighty the broom thing really fucked me last night. I'm I'M GONNA call all bullshit on that. You can do that any day of the week if you could do that any day of the week and I know people are still doing it today. I get that but if this is the thing we all knew people would. We'll be doing this. Left and right now is balanced broom prior yesterday. That's what I'm saying like I dude. I literally I had my brother me and my brother on a hands in these trying to Tape up a camera to watch zone. Go to bed to see if it falls after midnight. I stayed up drug courtesy. Did you see the jet KFC Like wait is this really not really goes gets nine close. It's still stand right up. I get down. I don't know we've been leaning them against things all these years. They could just do this. Exactly it's hysterical. I was upset I was quite upset. I've thought I'd cracked the code of science last night when I do see mine. Yeah I did yeah I mean I was POPs I know I was coming to. Oh yeah that's right. I was pumped and humped combet grandmother caller now reminder to put a broom upright you ever give that non backer cain no care fine You didn't even try. Hi It's heading up on my window. Standard up straight count. Maybe I should walk with in case you see. You're on the bell. Exactly I'll tell you how bad Karma you start walking around with a cane nuns gain in that you stole that you don't need other the neat thing all the time. Oh that'd be unbelievable the game you WanNa talk you WanNa talk. Talk's talk right then. mahomes clown alumimium. How good my dancing? Yeah you feel like you've this is what you've wanted to do all along secretly. Yeah it's like dancing with the stars like right now bushes like week four which is not the best at all but the improvement from one to four. That's the admirable park. Yeah Yeah Astronomical Leap. You think they'll ever let me absolutely the stars. I won't be the star. I'll be dancing. Got Along much much better. Chances The star I mean. ABC Right now dancing with the size from ABC program right. Yeah I mean ABC right. I think we're just GONNA ABC's this can be a livestream of Barstool. After after after thick cheeks Trent grant was stand for straighten. His stuff I've saw over strength is amazing week so amazing week for everyone. Is competing jet appetizer. Next movie wild. The ratings go up thirteen percent from last week's believable for already. Wow Yeah yeah like. It's already a massive show and it's literally like they're usually like odd lots of joke. No it's literally like to say I'd like to see the people like myself who change the channel right after they saw Marshall Trent Oh sure they know that's how they know for sure okay. Thirteen percent the people who weren't here last week. Cut it off at the forty six minute mark. Exactly and his role is such a savage rolled. Like the skills literally broke up with these taking longer to take I told him I was GonNa when the episode was going on and I watched from the beginning so supportive friend and it's like I know it's GonNa be quick when he comes on like there's not gonna be on a heads up time so I gotta be watching and I girl got the rose and they showed the the black girl was going to be on the next day that taxes I was like if you send the blacker all racist not he did. That's exactly we sent home. I was busy folks on the Khakis. Akis my started right not a full script but like a synopsis of the The Judge Appetite Movie The luggage guys starring Kevin James About Trent and let me tell you this things got legs. It's gotTa Lights. Oh Yeah I might. I might blog it. You should so when you go to copyright you got a little you needed on the below the Texas to Trent last night. So there's already a witness is to to the initial outline. I'm for sure going to get it up on the blog. Just partial there Kevin James as our threat good trade with cracking the second if Put them down on it. What are you talking about like saying to you because you guys the question that should make stay like we could kill tried if we got him the right corner standards dead? The body like a broom we really wanted to. We could rob the president. What man sometimes cucumbers as better pickle? We've got. We've got the battle of the team that hates each other verse team. That hates each other and their home fans clippers seventy sixers sixers. What about team chemistry bowl? I'm sorry I didn't bring us up. big avs has been hammered. He ski goes to look. Somebody goes you're going to pick state vehicles. I cannot wake up another morning rolling on me all us. I don't care from our twenty kids three. I need to be on that show. Show tell you what. Tell him Thursday Thursday. I'll book a room because Tyler is gonNA be out Thursday. There's only two games so Thursday me you and him. He can release though. Yeah we'll do it on skype through the office Book one of the rooms. I actually do that now while I'm talking talking and we'll we'll get big back on. Should we get smitty on tooks in season. Three three boys. Pink gives them one though. I'm fine with that. Earn your key if they get it. If you get right to come back on or floors I was going to say we should have them pick opposite opposite sides of the same game. But that's no fun at all so I want I wanted to be your Ford clean sweep never again what. I said Thursday Thursday. So one mush Thursday. Yeah you camp featuring a hall our getting book one six you can get an air the two zero six. That's that's why I'm doing it this podcast room to not the first one the second one one. PM Bang all right good. So Talbot Gavin. Tell Smitty I'm sure it's made. It's going to be like Jingle Jangle I gotta play. Mario Kart that was dead on Smitty. The US Open looking at the screen without it was rolled over to mid sale. Got Many money shot of the night tonight. Shot everytime. He's like it's A. He told me at the beginning of the season. Like during the second in week of Camera what he said he was like. If I go something like eighteen out some absurd can I come on you. Pick stave errors like if I do like nine straight prop bets that hit. It was absurd. He got the first one then. The next one was just like nine close. This is you know he was doing us looking at fantasy points fancy points yes so this is the greatest system in the world fucking horrible. It wasn't even fancy she points. It was projections of fantasy lessons. Actually this is GonNa do player props basically what tyler was doing except with. I can't even call it. Research goes bad research. So it's just a fly apply bags most first. What's your first game tonight? My first game is the Pelicans mice three against the Blazes Will Zion's back DOC fucking Damian. Lillard is on a tear and a half health. Come Out hot tonight when they win. Tyler you everything now. Would you first gambling coward. Min- Advanced Chemistry Bowl. I'm all over the clippers. Mind as one and co I to get six more plus to thirty five. I think the clippers just went outright and I think he gets sick assist or more. I'm saying the over under two twenty five and a half. I'm I'm just GONNA take the under the ball to struggle top of what would you say what did you say. I just say I was talking about basketball. You said somebody guy who didn't have the top of his ears to think about a lot that he's so mad couldn't use Bluetooth Horrible Time I've just listening we told you saw hanging around with the airless. No tops lizzy fucking. Hey that everyone had bluetooth yellow people with the guys who wear cut off here on both ears. Yup what Americans say one boxer or a bad accident. Both showboats moves tasty in what sailboat. Xiaobo Elbow. She'd on your elbow. Why you should know that makes sense so what what's strange about? This matchup is the clippers. Really good defense. But they don't have anyone to really stop in like what Philly does great on offense however philly Song competent they're going over utilized that really do great office. They stink be big. Yeah you can go six twenty six again alone sixers Kia home. Just hold 'em the home. That's all they got man. It really is all world talent as well. They just don't utilize that's why I'm saying. God they don't know that I know that they have all these good place. They just take me home. We got the. We got the talent back Boston plus two at Houston game of the pick. Abo- Oh why actually Dole. No that's like two teams that I understand while the Celtics optics have most of their players. I know you're out candy. At least two of their star players be terribly. Well let's Jalen. Alan may only played two minutes because both of his ankles twisted so. There's a strong chance we see him for all of five seconds and he's like fought. This good that makes my player points a handicap even better It's odd hardened plus zero Westbrook plus two point five. Tatum plus nine and a half kimball plus nine and a half Jalen ailing plus twelve and a half hayward plus fifteen and a half and Covington plus seventeen and a half hours leading to one of the TATUM kimber. Jalen the Jalen. So he's out. I think going tatum implies nine and a half is plus four thirty is he's been hot this month. What I will say is tatum might end up playing a lot of dollars? Guy On the court for the Celtics because the way the rockets play some would be surprised if that a lot of. Pj Tucker on him and his greatest TATUM has been this year. There have been a couple of games especially against these marquee teams. Where bigger guys? Who gave them issues like physically bigger not necessarily Tala Paula? Tucker on. I'm like yeah tatum's dribble with With anyone covering him. But if someone's going to just be like fizz. His out physically him kind of like Chris. Pause and the Tony Allen's would get up underneath Durant and taller players like that like that wouldn't surprise me. If he struggled and Jalen Jalen Hurd on rock he seems to have this bit of Rondo effect. Where National Games he shows out? That's exactly why leaning like Kimberly and I was like maybe just Kimba. It's just not in a half his plus five hundred but Let's go with tatum. I hope he hope. I think it's a safe one safe on Honestly come his last like ten games to see showed out as Oklahoma City. But it's been a lot of fifteen thirteen thirteen sixteen. He dropped an eight in there. And then a glow high thirties to forty But yeah there was ago almost two weeks off. He was just on the sidelines. He's been taking it easy. He's not used to having a team. It's like Oh we're going to play a full season and then more games. Yeah he was the one of of the which is going to come down and take a three Kimble's like this like I'll have to one point three point line. I get the threes in school forty five like tremendous team. I want to play with them. Awesome but ousting tatum. Most what you'll ask him Hates funder might say Again to spread this year are they to undermine say spurs also the Spurs are the worst against the spread. This year I could worsen real they just the worst regardless. Yeah so that's just I mean you can't argue gets what I just said so. I'm thunder minus seven seven and a half an over to nineteen just doesn't feel like that I ever number as plus two sixty. So I'm with you much condolences on you missing your pig. Because 'cause I'm with you you get you usually at one of the two so I'm on the over to nineteen and a half I agree that's that's too low like both these teams can stink scoring. But I don't think they will take the over there. Oh Oh Suck Big Kentucky Vanderbilt. What Tyler Guess? What hit me me too? Oh I'll defer you get much. I know I got the Kentucky mayes eleven the band plus eleven and a hair listen last year. We should advance every other year. They've got the we're you're court like it's a race platform. I guess and the benches are on the biggest land knocked aside lands like the Weird Court. It just Fox works with every other game. I think it's been within ten like the last six seven years except for last year some taking Kentucky will women. I'm taking bandied plus eleven and a half and the under one one forty four. Because they're the best wood flooring Gordon. SEC is out so you did you win last night. But I do a buddy watches. Do you yeah right. Every fucking world is watched it last night so fucking good Florida. State's number eight that it doesn't Baylor's number one now game just they WANNA get fifty two to forty five six so again I literally. How like in the final four zero idea to okay or the other three teams? No one knows. These teams San Diego State Dayton. Seton Hall to Seton Hall is GonNa win it all this. You got that one dude. WHO's nasty right? He thinks he's nasty. I mean if you've got the fucking number ten team in the country. Three guys named Mush listened to Miles Powell. He's legally JR Smith Awesome. Thinks he's also what she kind of is awesome date now penn state's to charity. Colorado San Diego State has lost yet. Now they haven't twenty four now looking at a one. C Man is Wild Times Rhode Island. A guy named Mike Tuffy fats something. Oh Wow I wish the all saxophone the phone top twenty five program one ten marrone okay. We'll talk to him on their top twenty five program Now is it's just disgusting. Down the practice allergy care for any of those Oregon. No if Gonzaga's win at this year. They're just not it. But that's the thing I've ever been a look. Bear the consistent like all these teams are new. They're used to this like Nevada last last year. Like they're not supposed to get their zags there. Every year and Gonzaga's play in St Mary's tonight. Let's get to this game fifteen because nobody knows where's Villanova like if the field. Is this like doing over to win again. They just lost two Seton Hall Latte Art Saturday. The number for fifteen That's four seeded. It's GONNA be dead in Virginia in the finals. Who knows Seton Hall does have the chance? Actually they do like. You've got one guy that could score for you. You got a chance. They have a decent second guy to which is a huge need that huge. I was reading advantage because they get a new Smith was the score. But they got Scottie. Pippen Jillian Marsh Scottie. Pippen June do Catholic eight. A great guy is GonNa be good. I can't why are you guys seven. I around this is great while I'll be seven. Yeah will you mean if you so good and so dominant why. They're six teams better than you right now because we had one mishap. It's okay to three minutes. Apps de Lost Louisville Man. Good news to me a mean. Aw Stephen F. Austin like Stephen F. Austin might be on the phone for man who knows clemson below five hundred and they beat Duke Tooth so I ah good lately those I'll give it. They've got the third Third best point differential in the nation or at least they stopped twenty five teams. I can't imagine there's is like the forty fifth ranked team there plus twenty There was Kentucky weather one of her twelve. All right. We'll finish like around nine or something like this limited three seat in either. Cut Down the nets first weekend again. I had no idea we shall see the maddest mark.

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Hour 1: 01/07/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 1: 01/07/19

"The. Fried passion than pageantry of college football lives. Here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. This is the scene in California breaking news. The sun is out for the first time since we arrived or five days ago. The final day the college football season has arrived at the one into look just like they did back in the beginning. It is already twenty nineteen and people here are hoping to party like a national championship is in their wheelhouse. And both schools certainly know a lot about that welcome to the program here getting ready for the national championship. Tim tebow and Laura Rutledge or here and guys and ladies it is wonderful to finally have the national championship game in front of us. Yes. It is so excited about it. But talk about in by the way, I joked about the weather it's been downright terrible. But it hasn't really bothered Daboh. Or Nick Saban, they are a little bit tired of hearing about the narrative that the public and the country is sick of them. They should be. They've been playing four straight years now. Now. Meanwhile, SEC Commissioner great Sankey will join us shortly. He likes the way it is commissioners met earlier today, they were at our hotel tried to peek in the door and was threatened come on. You should have gotten in this, and they're always gonna let you in false office. Well, Kim Bama do what no one else has done and get in Trevor Lawrence his head. That's question. I'll pose the YouTube because you know, these quarterbacks, and, you know, all about playing national championship like arenas. Well, I think Trevor has to be exceptional. Not just good. Because when you look at since two thousand eight the quarterbacks have beaten, Alabama thirty one touchdowns three interceptions and average QBR of ninety ninety. That's not good. It's great. And Trevor Lawrence has to be great to give his team a chance in this game. He has the ability to do that we've seen it at times. But he hasn't played the caliber he's gonna play tonight, and that stadium just think about the first drive for Oklahoma their first offense if Dr in the Orange Bowl and Cuyler Murray's the Heisman Trophy winner incredibly talented kid. They had actually deferred. So they didn't get the ball first. When he finally got the fall and went up against that Alabama defense the first time and didn't even get the ball out of his hands for that entire. I drive went three and out. You could see when he came off onto the silent. I was on their side. Headline. He looked a little bit during the headlights. It was shaking his head like, whoa. You know, e- eventually did have some success against Alabama defense. But I think that initial strike that Alabama's defense can make if Trevor Lawrence is to whether that then I think he's in a better position. If that gets in his head early that's where Alabama can really effective in Tim show. Interesting nine days later before the Oklahoma game. All we were do all we were doing. We're talking about to health that doesn't seem to be much of a factor. You spend time with them. I don't think it's back whatsoever. He was fine. Then now, he's only better. Now, I think too is primed ready for one of the best performances we've ever seen. You know, why he has a chance to do that is because the hype of clemson's defense if he does what he did in the semi-final and the championship. I think we'll be talking about it as one of the greatest performances in championship history because it's clemson's defense with their defensive line and how high they are. And so I think to ready to make a statement. I'm interested because you can't find really any fall with Trevor Lawrence. But but. It is a national championship game. He performed quite well in the semi's, but Tim someone who has played in two national championship light games. I mean, they were called something different back. Then. What's it like the first time out and what about having a little bit of experience different Polly? It's different. You're nervous your achey year. I mean, your palms are sweating already. Hey, it's you know, you're going doing that now. Yeah. Five me being able to handle that running of tunnel knowing it's for the championship. It's everything you work for its different. Some people handle it some people. Don't right. We've seen some great teams have great players not show up in games like this. I think it's gonna be different with Trevor in in this Clemson team they've been on this stage. So many of these players have been here. And I think for Trevor he such a unique kid that's handled pressure. So well and handle tough situations. I mean having a quarterback like Kelly Bryant that's a good quarterback. And you take his spot and do it with such grace and poise and and be able to handle every thing has been in your way. I think we'll be able to handle the moment. And I think Trevor is gonna actually play. Well, yeah, I actually think a lot of this too is on Travis ATN because in a games where Clinton did struggle offense. Even if you go back to that Syracuse game AT and had to take over the game really make something happen. And look I'm not saying Syracuse defense is. Anywhere near what Allah bama's will be. But if he needs a little bit of time to feel more comfortable, maybe he can hand the ball off. Maybe he can really get the ball into the hands of those playmakers. That is something they can do the other thing too. I think that Clemson should try to learn from what Oklahoma did well, slave tempo. If they're gonna have a chance against Alabama defense their defense doesn't do as well when people go in super fast and really being quick to a lot of misdirection stuff. Pre snap can do some things to get that Alabama defense on their heels. It either way I still think they're going to be too much Trevor Lawrence, but I do think Tim token hell so back in the day. You would like to make the game as long as you could against Alabama right tire. The defensive line their linebackers out making go long when now with Alabama's offense to you really wanna do that. This was two years ago with Clinton had the same strategy with this offense with how high-powered it isn't this receiving core because maybe your defense losing one defensive tackle could worn out as well. So it's just interesting to see how they'll play the game plan. I wouldn't ask you about that. Jim. Because we Dexter Lawrence out. It didn't seem like it was remotely factor against Notre Dame. But but I've heard a tug of war of opinions on the difference between that game and this game against it wasn't a big deal Notre Dame. But that was Notre Dame. My opinion shouldn't have been a college football playoff. They're not one of the top four five teams in the country. Just in my opinion. And they're they're they're in. They're playing a team. That's probably the second best team. It was a mismatch. Clemson didn't even play good to start. That was not clemson's a game and they still won handily with their backups. So you can't really take that game. A look at it as a semi-final, you kind of need to put it to the side and say, okay, we wanna make a big deal about it. But you don't wanna read too much into it. Because that Notre Dame team that doesn't compare to Alabama. So when you try to it's really it's really hard. I think you can get skewed looking at it that way also think Alabama so line. I don't know what you think to me. But I think Alabama's align doesn't get enough credit so much on the quarterback position. Both Jalen hurts into tug of low, obviously. And that skill position guys. But that old line is really Jona Williams, especially soccer. Those guys are better probably than they get enough credit to all all Americans. And you know, I it's the rest of them are really good. I if they're not good or at least steady and they can hold their own. And in going up against one of the better defensive lines. They face maybe the best defense, align they face. Although I will say that Mississippi states isn't very impressive defensive line is I feel like this album offense lying in running game wants to prove that they're still a physical team. And I think this is the perfect situation to prove that when it's all been a made about two and this receiving core that this off it's a lion and these running backs there's still pretty good Alabama. If you're if you're looking at Clemson, you can pick out a couple of players offense that can make a difference. But we were doing your show yesterday. And you could go with anyone of eight or nine or ten offense players for Alabama. It's so they're they're so deep they are so deep, and I think that's why they're so hard to stop. When you have one of the best players in the country at quarterback, you have three probably I three round running backs. You have four let's breakaway receivers in a tied in that's a mismatch. So why that's such a problem is because you. Can't double if I'm a safety and there's one great receiver. I can help on him. I can be aware of where he's at the whole time. But I can't be aware of Jerry, Judy and Waddell, and Irv Smith and rugs. And then Josh Jacobs out of the backfield. Right. So that gives to in Mike Loxley the opportunity to find mismatches. So if you play man, I get to pick out your worst guy. Not my best guy your worst guy because all my guys are studs. And that's why I think you'll see it either be slot. Receivers tight ends or running backs going at the state 'this for Clemson. I think it's their biggest weakness if dollar it up for for Loxley, and maybe you should be out there. How do you want to start this game? I'm aggressive. I'm very aggressive. I started the same way guy did against Oklahoma. Although I get my running back into the game pretty fast with swings. Flat rouse wheels the way they'd used Josh Jacobs. But I'm also if they're going man to man, I'm taking shots, and I'm looking for my safety if they play man, I'm going there. Especially one of their safeties packages in there for Jalen Hurd, absolutely him. Even if to success bring let's say you get to first downs. You're I drive I bring Jalen there. It could be a a quarterback run at draw. Swing pass just something where they're thinking. They're on their heels, you could see Oklahoma trying to make calls. We're standing right there right beside him. When jailing runs in and out, and you if anything it's just confusing for the defense, and they got a handle gotta make calls. And if they burn a timeout good for you. Talking to him Tibo and Laura Rutledge here. And by the way, I mentioned the Commissioner was supposed to be out. Here we understand that the commissioners meeting is still ongoing or maybe gone on longer than we thought. So we're going to have to hold that when he comes up here. Yeah. He I don't think he's out here yet. So I'm not trying to read anything into that. Maybe there status quo showing it even I just made up that word. Glowing it good thing. Good alive. You know? Yeah. But yeah. But that that they're talking about the play offs and pretty much. The the main players went going in said, we're not going to change anything. But who knows maybe maybe they are. I don't think that they are at all. But you know, I just I don't think there's going to be enough agreement for that side to be able to get anything done. And I don't think they should. I don't think it's perfect right now. But it's so much better than it used to be and there's so much excitement around the playoff. And you know, I think there's some things that I would personally love to to tweak about it. But it's a really good system, and it's working right now. And I think we're getting some of the best teams in the championship game. And and I like it I would hate to see it out hate to see them have kind of have a rehaul or or go to eight or even six I like it a four makes a regular season. Still mean a lot. I would love to see them maybe tweak how they say how they pick the four. I don't I don't love how they say the four best teams. I wish they could kind of quantify that as is. You know, there's a. Part of it. That's best. And there's part of it that's deserving, but they say best. And then they they, but you know, that Notre Dame's that is good as their undefeated. So it's. Hi, Ashleigh Aston official. I'm not gonna Dan how'd you end up with Oklahoma Notre Dame, especially Notre Dame? And I said, you know, Georgia looked at don't tell me what happened to George. We're going. We're going on December second and he said, you're right. But if if they had done that they would have blown up the system, and I don't know. But I believe there was someone in that room. And I think I know who it is who influenced them away from that. Because she was it made too many waves that's political, and that's not what we need to be. If we really want to say, we're getting the four best teams come on. Let's have the Kurds pick the four best teams. Let's not be political and not have to please people. Let's let's truly do this. You started to buy in a little bit too expansion there for the end are you there, I'm conflicted? I I liked the sound of it because I didn't really like the four. Right. So so here's thing about this think about of Washington after that season, they go to the playoff as the number eight seed, and they play Alabama in it's another beat down. And it's not good first round can be pretty tedious. Like, you can't compare college football the NFL, but the NFL wild card games were really good. But it's a totally different alum either way. Yeah. It is. I think there are so many reasons why I get why people wanna talk about expansion, and I'm kind of with Tim on this where if you're getting the actual for best teams, then expansion doesn't really matter. They're actually getting the four best teams. That's the point of it. That's what it should be. And I think what we always have to keep in mind as a committee changes every year. So one committees four best teams be different from the next Lord. I don't like, and we're all we're all advocates college football. I don't like the way we had the semi finals and then New Year's day, and they'll college football now is center stage. But it took a no about one thirty today. Day for people to get move away from the wild card games, especially the one late last night to start concentrating on that in. And then the big is talking to Steven Naismith today on his radio show. And and he said Paul tell me how you know. How can you get New York City and Philadelphia involved in college football? It's very difficult. You spent a lot of time up there. And so do you. And to me this game tonight is deserving of of the the nation's attention, but I'm still night's Sher outside of the umbrella around college about gets ever really gonna get New York or LA, and do you need it college? Football is amazing. But they've never those areas. Have never said, oh, this is our sport in just want them to pay more attention. I mean, the what day is is college game day went to New York City and had one of the most incredible shows ever people show up. There are all these restaurants and bars in New York City that are specific to know great. Yeah. And I do think that I think that is a little bit of a misnomer that New York isn't as Baden. I'm with you though. I mean, they're always going to be the towns that are more pro sport town at the differences, those those people have come from other places where they say they were there. Transplants. They're decided by the the amount of people that watch and what needs to happen tonight. And I think this will happen. It needs to be an incredibly competitive fighting game. If it's not then that I do think I have no fatigue with this matchup. I love this matchup the two teams, but it needs to be nothing on the east coast. Then we'll start flipping off. Whether they're football fans are not sure. But one more thing about the playoff is what's special about college football that the NFL doesn't have regular season. Every game matters too. Many teams it dilutes it a little bit that SEC championship between Alabama. And all of a sudden becomes not nearly as important backing felt like a play watch Paul exactly until tonight. Hopefully, one of the best. Okay, guys. I know you have other things to do. Your. Have such a crowd behind all here for you. That's amazing. You are such a big deal around these parts. I'm big in Silicon Valley. No, you know, love you over apple Google. I just glad you could start to show up. We'll see you guys later on look forward to it. We're live in Santa Clara long way to go as we get your ready for tonight. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. 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It's been some of the worst weather this areas had all year, and it's it's created and put a pall over this weekend that the local media here could not have been more negative towards this game. Like, why don't we why do why did we get this game? We don't care about it. And that's really created. A narrative whether it's false or not let's get back to the calls, and Fred is up next calling from Charlotte. Good afternoon. Fred, welcome to our coverage. Happy new year. Paul. Thank you. You guys are grown happy. Thank you. You guys have been running some great program this weekend. And there was one yesterday where Nick and that boat were interviewed together, and they were doing different things. Right. And creek play came. And I have a feeling that Dick's creek placed in the B. Jalen can't people just mention that. When he was there was he and Laura that they might have a couple of phase of two coupla down to two and then bring Jalen, and I believe that Davos has been working eighty percent maybe ninety percent on to be the quarterback in not Jalen, I think at trick play could be Jalen hurts. Second great tasting the. The Georgia players said the same thing that they were not prepared for Jalen hurts in the dates. It's hard to. This. This is a short week. It's hard to get ready for quarterbacks and flute. It is. And and there are two totally different quarterbacks. And it's just it'll be interesting. I think that'll be Nick trick play. And I think it will work in Alabama's. Behalf. Thank you very much. Really, really? Appreciate that. Oh, I'm sorry. Will with the second segment yesterday was phenomenal one about the gene stallings influence and how they got Nick Sabin to Alabama. And it was that gene actually called Nick. And then called back a few times and finally went to Alabama and in the segment I'd forgotten that was part of keen stalling ninety two national champion. And I have a feeling down. Thank you. Thank you. Fred. Let me let me interrupt. Fred. Thanks for the call. We we've got to move on. But yeah, Dabbagh was a walk on at Alabama. He played on that ninety two team. He he was there for four or five years. He ultimately he has looked at coach dogs as his his mentor and his hero. Thank you very much. For the call Ken is up next can go right ahead. Happy new year, Paul. I'm concerned. On. Thank you, sir. I'm concerned about the the condition of the field. I didn't realize they've been raining out there every day, and I found that out today and I'm concerned about the condition of the field and that the danger that might pose the players. Somebody's foot this planet wrong in the in the muck if the spikes aren't properly chosen and they get tackled. Injury. And I was just wondering about your. Yeah. I. Concern is correct. I was with a chip Kelly earlier you'll be here later he was a coach of the forty Niners. And he may not say it for the record. But most people that have been on the seal in the past they this is one of the worse stadiums around because they they they they have put in a couple of new fields here. And none of them seem to work. This is a very wet area. And it I was out to stadium yesterday. And it was raining tarp was on. But that's not enough that that will that won't prevent a sloppy field the conventional wisdom, whatever that means says that the the wet field will favor the offense because the the obvious receivers where they're going defensive backs. Don't. Thank you very much. Really good to have you on. We have a lot more to do here at Levi stadium. We'll talk to a number of participants in the festivities several coaches and critic chip Kelly and others and your phone costs continue here as we get ready for the national championship. You listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Cried passion than pattern three of college. Football leaves Keer. The Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. We welcome back. We're live here in Santa Clara. At Levi stadium is everybody getting ready for tonight's national championship game. Let's get back to the calls today. Five to four two seven two eight five. AC is up next. How are you? Woes on Alabama, John or grinchey Bookham point. Thank you very much. Shave called Larry is up next. Hey, larry. Paul. All role dang rolltop. I'll this to this, man. You got a great show start now twenty on in in coach Sivan, and man, I'm going to tell you these people that don't like it or tile to see and Bama and Clemson while suckled him because way gonna bay every year. What do you like it? You gotta betas. Glad will you wave wine and all you little pressed people out there that don't like it. We love it and paid. They're proud to be here. 'cause all the years that we saw for everybody else wanting to dying board so for they him. Todd by the number eight. Larry after the game to celebrate. But thanks anyway, Steve is up next. Steve thank you and welcome to the program. Good afternoon. Happy new year. This is tiger over here from Alanna Tigers Steve tiger stock to your P weeks ago pissed off when I talked. I'm still mad everything I'm doing a little bit better. I day you think what are what are you married? Well is still mad about that. You know, about a Auburn down there the way we've done and we're still coach Gus. I know he's going to be on show today. I don't think for a good job done for down there on the feet. But I'm still still kinda mad. We're. We're stuck with him. But hey as long saved over it. Don't matter fan Spanta hundred teams Islam. They got Earl Sabin Nahla. Bama. Alabama can always be on top. So we might as well get used to it. And. May done with it. But pre shared I'll do. But I I wouldn't ask job a couple of things. One of the things I hear all the time to kind of concerned about is number one. Why is the championship game always played through the week studied propriety night didn't wind as it come also late? So do people has to stay up so late and you have to go to work. Well. Here's the reason for that. I think originally the game bounced around from from and thanks for the call from night tonight. It was on a Thursday night. The last time it wasn't on the Monday night. It was I think it was on Thursday night or to either I think it was in Alabama one at the Rose Bowl college football decided to go to Monday night because it's a natural. Not you have Monday night football. There's a lead in and I would agree with you. I think it is too late. But you know, being out on the west coast is an interesting experience. I had to do something earlier today for for ESPN, and it was a normal seven thirty or eight o'clock and on the east coast, but it was three o'clock or four o'clock in the morning out here. So you forget the country's big and everyone doesn't live in Alabama or or or Georgia or South Carolina. Thanks for the call freesheet. It. I don't think he's up next. Steve. Same here. Traces up next. Hey. How you doing today? Trace go. Calling from Titletown and just had two points to make one petition to move all national championship games to dome Torino. The the fact that weather can come into play an affect you know, a game that you're gonna reflect on the whole season. That's just shouldn't. I shouldn't. I shouldn't happen to if if saving win tonight. Do you still even have the saving of Bryant comparison for the tape and have nothing else left approve? He the greatest of all time with that seven or eight tash don't change gyp. Stay. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it. What happens with games like this is very similar to the final four or the shipper bowl a community. Bids on the game. And before the college football playoff began. The stanford. Cisco forty Niners who are the inhabitants of the stadium bid on the college football playoff. The reason. It was given as there was a feeling among that committee. Commissioners included that they wanted to pay homage to the Pac twelve because all some of the Rose Bowl is a is a is an isolated situation where I know it's in the Pac twelve country, but it's still a little bit different. And this was this was a an olive branch to the the Pac twelve it was a mistake. I think he knew it was going to be a mistake the second it happened. But it happened and. The the weather today spectacular. I mean, the sun is finally out. It's above fifty five degrees. Never got about fifty yesterday the day before, but it's not gonna change the the this. It's not gonna change the the area this part of the country doesn't support college football. I was talking to chip Kelly about this. And he said he'd played tickets organ team years ago with Marriott. Mariota to to Stanford game was named sold out Stanford's about twenty five miles down the road. This is just not a hot dead of that sport. So. You're getting what you deserve. No one really surprised about this. I I don't know what the attendance will be you've got about fifty thousand Alabama Clemson fan. So it's not like it's going to be in empty stadium. But the passion and the excitement leading up to it before today and today, it's an exciting day. It's game day was easily the worst I've ever seen. And we'll we'll we'll we'll concentrate on the game tonight. But the atmosphere has been pretty bad. Thank you very much for the call. We are up. We're up against the break. Mortar calls at eight five five four two seven two eight five a lot of a lot of guests. We'll be dropping by. And we will get to them in a moment. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Fried passion. Then pageantry of college football leaves Keer. The Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Back in Levi stadium as we get ready for the national championship game coming up here in just a few minutes the Commissioner of the SEC has dropped by. And there is a a very long meeting back at the hotel earlier today, and we now have a statement from Martinez. The president of Mississippi State. He's also the chairman of the college football playoff board of managers. He said and I quote as far as expanding the number of teams in the playoff. It's way too soon much too soon to know if that is even a possibility it's fair to say the speculation about expansion has outdistanced the reality about the Commissioner's in the presidents have discussed. Martina? If the decision we're going down the road, the president would be the ones to make it, and we are not anyway, let's talk to someone who was in that meeting. I like the anyway. I saw you at a very early our heading in that room. And I see now I'm assuming you've been in that meeting for quite a while. I think I had four meetings. So we have an annual meeting first with what's called the management committee the commissioners, plus Jacksonville, the athlete extract or Notre Dame. And then we have a managers meeting, which is the president's. And that's what who generates that statement. That's an annual meeting. It's not because of media articles are I I've heard some discussion on on talk shows over the last three or four weeks. It is a normal course of business. So that that's where any conversation would have occurred. I know what you've said because you've been an interview many many times already this weekend. And the let-let's if you don't mind enunciate it for this audience where you as the Commissioner of the southeastern conference are right now in relation to expansion. The fourteen playoff has worked incredibly well or near five is working well, and it can continue to work. Well, and there's a period on that sense there then other elements like we as a group of commissioners, this management committee of the college football playoff have engaged in regular reviews related to the college football playoff that. That's not that's really not news in. And that's what was conveyed. There is is all this discussion is way out advance. And if you go back and look, for example, whether you agree with the playing dates or not there was an adjustment made to this New Year's Eve concept that was envisioned to be something positive. Maybe a chance to grab some space. If you will in the media for the semi-final games when they're not on New Year's day. We looked and said that that didn't work a regular review. View of the selection criteria. So those things occur and will continue to our cur. And as it relates to to size to playoff expansion. I'm committed to four because I think it works. Well, yet, we have a responsibility continually pay attention monitor think about what happens in the good news is there are thoughtful people in that room. Despite what what message boards may communicate or social media, and we'll be thoughtful in and considering issues moving forward. Normal criticism of anything, you know that. Yeah. All the time. But in in terms of this a lot of the criticism has been about the Rose Bowl occupying that spot on New Year's day where the semi finals were on a Saturday this game on Monday night in places like this, which many have criticized also being overshadowed to a small degree or maybe a large degree by the NFL getting any of that really be dealt with more than you already are. Well, let's think through those those areas because those are important points. I think valuable points I'll start from the end the balists the NFL, you know, other than the first week of the season we deal with NFL games continually. I do think the college football playoff has created space. The fact is we are driving up John swath, and I were in the car, you don't even see college football playoff on the logo because people recognize the entity the brand and the competition. So we're going to have. That we have to not be complacent, and that's part of the ongoing view to make sure that we keep this game healthy across the board. So that's one to location. This is a national championship. And it was very intentional from the get-go that this was going to move around the country and the folks in the bay area put together a great bed. I actually walked into my first meeting when we were looking at three sites which were as I recall Lanta Santa Clara New Orleans, and if you're the southeastern conference Commissioner those are those are pretty good option yard where here on a Monday night. Which is a great TV viewing night. Now, maybe hard for travel because your post New Year's and don't have that flexibility. And so that's the venue, and then kind of criticism about the the endeavor it has been successful. It is we have to go back and realize we had kind of a coalition where some conferences didn't participate that we lose to the BCS and we had everybody in. But there are a lot more criticism mounted about it's just it's just this computer data. That nobody really understands let's have people choose the participants. And then we went to four, and we have a selection committee of high integrity individuals who do an incredible amount of work. And I think tonight we have the two best teams in the country playing for the college football national champion. Yeah. I don't think anybody would argue that. I mean, some arguments made that we really didn't need the playoff this year. Well. I've seen that affect saw that I think it was Ivan megs L squid or on Orange Bowl night. But we're gonna argue about four five six seven when we have four teams if you were never have more. We're gonna argue about whether it's nine ten eleven or seventeen eighteen I thought Kentucky should've played baseball in the NCAA tournament last. And there are sixty four of those games in terms as we wind down Commissioner of with all the conversation about expansion and. Some of your various steam colleagues and open the door. Maybe they were different today at the meeting, we'll leave that to them. But it seems like it it does with expansion affect one of your most valuable if not the most valuable property the SEC championship game. But I've been clear about that. I left that talking point out that we were the first that's a credit to the leadership in the early nineties. We have continued to grow that game to the point where still today throughout the entire two thousand eighteen college football season. It is the most viewed college football game the year that's special to us. I think it's special to our culture. The game is sold out for those tickets available the schools do a great job attracting their fans that special. We're we're what seven months away from media days. It's hard to think about that. Well, we go to meet as what are you here? Our goal is to play in Atlanta because we know if we playing. Atlanta, that's the stage to national championship. And that's not one of those debatable 's for me. In fact, some of this rhetoric spent interesting that while the the first question that came to me was what about conference championship games in Ethan determine a conference champion. None of us should be subjecting conference championship not existing to some national form. That's that is counter intuitive. In fact, not even consistent with what the thinking should be around our game because the game of college football is incredibly strong. It has grown it has its challenges ahead wins. But as the southeastern conference is showing it is really important. And if you will valuable piece of what we do Commissioner, thank you for making time greats. Thank you. Thank you, bring the sunshine took awhile, finally. We have a lot more to do as we continue leading you up to the championship. We're live here in Santa Clara. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast.

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Watch any tape on not crunching the tape. I watch top guns that count yes same. Tom cruise. Tom cruise who's got more common all right zach back all right so here's how it works for the new listeners there will be four multiple choice questions foremost excuse me four multiple choice answers and and one of you will answer the next one lancer in the points you win for getting the right answer will decrease each time you ready. He wants to go first. You're returning champion ayoola returning champion johnny here. You're returning champion. Who would you like to go first. Jennifer can go. I think you johnny jonathan yes in half-point. Half-point reception leaks three of these four moneybags. Oh i know three of these running backs finished in the top twenty four of total total points last season which one did not marlin mac lamar miller allston actor matt's breed which one did not finish in the top twenty four repeat it one more time all along lamar miller allston actor met brita lamar miller incorrect sir. Can i get the question again. Sorry police one more time in half point bird reception. Absolutely all three of these four running backs did not make the top twenty five. I mean did make the top twenty four which one of these did not make the top twenty four marlin mac allston actor matt breda who is it will it be the colts featured running back ball and mac will be austin actor melvyn. Gordon's ends potential replacement in that backfield are met brita who was thrust into action last year after j. Mccarron went down. It was not a top twenty four running back. I feel like i'm about to lose this on a dumb answer but melvin gordon. I know i'm sorry he already edmund melvin incorrect anyway. I'll matter was a mall max or matt brita which one did not finish correct sir one to johnny mr producer. Could you grab me a pen please. I've forgotten thank you. I appreciate question number into the jani fair congrats johnny which these running backs had the most total targets last season t._j. Yelled theo riddick jalen rashad kenyan drake okay. Johnny has one. I gotta keep this exactly already rose so far and still z. Only a fair d._j. Yelled jailer sean kenyan drake who had the most targets last year jalen resort greg dancer zalin risk. He was eighth in running back targets last eighth would have never guessed he was that high ingress she had more than girly and more than david johnson. Johnson daily resorted forgotten men with josh jacobson but he could definitely catch bassett. Still this year all right. John is up to eight points johnny fair. Oh no question time maybe one of my favorite parts of the show. This is worth five points. You will ever guess what was the score of the titans patriots game last year. What was the score of the titans patriots last game. Okay what write it down. Write it down. Put your phone away intimate and then show me one by one what was the score titans and patriots traits of course everyone to know the the titans won. Titans and patriots were actually doing joint practices right now and tom brady presented our coach. Mike vrabel with a trophy with the score of that game on it. Does it cause the score. Winner gets the five points. I'm good johnny fair actually to see that at all got me to tell you no no. I don't want to get any hints johnny eh. Let's see let's say okay. Okay zach thrasher. See yours a little bit janis us closer jesus. Johnny said twenty twenty seven twenty three twenty four twenty one year both way off the titans won by twenty four points thirty four to ten. Johnny said they won by four so he it gets it. Not much. Bouncing donkey gets points. Neither one of you deserve anything for that implant zakar joe bill mayer who john affair only one of these tight ends had over one hundred total points and half point perception leagues last year. Who wasn't jimmy graham chris. Herndon jordan reed mark andrus. Only one of them was over one hundred total points. Jimmy graham chris boden jordan reed mark andrews herndon incorrect thrasher chance to get on the board. Finally jimmy maher under jimmy graham jordan reed or mark andrews over for seven points the head. Oh no excuse me for five points ahead over a hundred a hundred points last year jimmy graham correct. Thank you correct ship. It five points exact thrasher. Johnny has thirteen zack. Has i five question number four sector acid with a chance to answer i. He's finally on the board. The san francisco forty niners were the worst team in the league last year or close to it. They won only three games out. Nope sorry the cardinals were the worst of the league last year. They won only three games to against the forty niners. Who is the only other team they beat redskins packers raiders falcons. Who was the only other team the cardinals beat last year. Redskins packers raiders facts tick tock feel free to fill up the dead air with some before i lose my voice i have to tonight. Johnny county the process schedules in my mind redskins packers raiders back. Give me an answer on my gimme. The risk ins incorrect correct. Shit found incorrect the other two options packers raiders packers it was the packers say hey man one more point zack biking. He's up to six. Johnny has thirteen that cat six this one goes. There's the johnny fair i in. It's about your team. The los angeles rams but they were the saint louis rams at this time in the rams nineteen ninety nine super bowl winning season. They had only three regular season losses. Who was their first loss of the season detroit. White lions philadelphia eagles tennessee titans minnesota vikings who was their first loss. They lost two games in arroyo weeks six and seven and then they didn't lose again until the final week when they pretty much rest in a final league by the way they did not lose sight sound the detroit lions. I'd actually finally met him in the playoffs next year desk here the question detroit lions the philadelphia eagles tennessee titans minnesota vikings whose their first loss detroit lions philadelphia eagles tennessee titans minnesota vikings detroit lions incorrect but that was the second thing they lost that year eagles titans vikings. I lost of the year for the nine hundred ninety nine super bowl winning rams vikings incorrect was it the eagles are titans the eagles no tight. The titans were their first loss and yes. They had the rematch in the super bowl. The titans won that twenty four twenty one in what would become a rematch of the sewall. Lots of people forget that they met that regular season because you know they only gosh back then. I don't think they met every four years. I don't know how often they met but yeah. That's a good stacks. That's a good that's a good one. That's a good one bravo mr question. Oh thank sir like sir worked really hard and watch all yeomen lunchbreak quotations here. We go hi tom. How does that bother you. A little bit. The titans beat them in the regular season but failed by yard and and we know it doesn't bother me that super super bowl doesn't happen the way it does. I'm not titans fan so that's exactly why became i which of these quarterback thrasher had the most passing yards. It's last season kirk cousins. Eli manning derek carr case keenum which one had the most correct finally someone gets it on the first shot sex thrasher up to sixteen points. Johnny won't give me death four manny kirk cousins by one yard. I just happened win. Some free agent list today insane it. They lost three for like four thousand plus. You really did johnny fair. Three defenses tied hype for the league lead in fumble recoveries last season with fourteen two of those teams with seahawks and texts who was the third cowboys bills colts browns. Who was the third team that fourteen recovered fumbles last season. All these defenses were pretty good. Most underrated cowboys bills colts brown's third team with fourteen fumble recoveries buffalo bills. I'm sorry it's not right just fill. It feels like the copes not correct. Oh get your point. John incongruous congra- us cowboys browns cowboys. It is not attack thousand trick quick final. I don't question oh that's close questions of bonus question. Get ready to write get ready to write. The scores act sixteen johnny fair thirteen. We gotta get for each correct answer on this next part. You receive one point. You're going to have one minute to write these things down here. We go in the two thousand fourteen and two thousand thirteen n._f._l. Drafts eighteen eighteen l._s._u. Players were taking you have one minute to write down as many as possible one point for each guest's go go no. I don't want to update update my phone. I want where's the time where's outside. Watch okay now. We're going now. We're going. I'm taking off five seconds diligently right in johnny's trying to look on zack's phone. That's a fair i really like. This question was made for me two thousand fourteen two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen. I'm missing some apart machine. I could have probably done four honestly the eighteen she guys watch every l._s._u. Gay that easy though when the draft like that yet. I don't think you'd remember the six l._s._u. Player taken in two thousand thirteen stab at a couple. We gotta do ten more seconds no minute. You should give me give us a minute. It's been longer than a minute. I didn't even start cartha on time. You get young voters down those down. I got five. I only know they're right. I don't know if you got five listed. I johnny fair. Give me your name slow. I mean you got three four five six eight nine. Give me some names. Congrats sean <hes> berkovitz mango mingo. He's there yep peterson. That's one peterson was <hes> earlier net. No man you sam montgomery sam mike you lost was that three or four three three beckham yup land landry five bale bale belleville bill who no that's not as well as the men murder yup that's six. I lost their. I beckham john dan on john jarvis. Thank you being a logan more clyburn. Ooh there's no moore's clayborn. He must have been two dozen twelve deante. No dion jones either. That's been recent yeah. He's more research bali's johnny the last question pools ahead because he knows more l._s._u. Thin zach been saying it for years that was like are play poker on saturday. Nights are car wash else you. You don't pay much attention do you. When you watch those games. Are you might as well be playing poker. I asked me a science question. Let's go do saints louis up. I'll probably win that to do it. I i don't have time renown trivia. Let's clear. I am a science fan forever l._s._u. Fan just on saturday nights with football like to have have a good time at the party. I'm i'm not sure why you felt the need to feel like people were out there like a real the fan he just no. I mean it's it is sal. Duck quacks like everybody's saying right now. Another victim of johnny johny fair is your new champion. I unfortunately probably won't be back to to take to continue his rain rain next week. You'll have to vacate the title but he will vacate the title beaten. Thanks for tuning into who wants to be fantasy. Theater can congrats jonathan albert. Thank you see west preview. That time of year baby is weak to the preseason pre season and we have three divisions left to talk about. I'm spencer foster. Welcome to fantasy theaters football podcast joining me. Today is a true legend. He's the top three draft. Pick any day of the week johnny fair. I'd love to give some equip here. Remind you just nailed it. You hit it right on the head. I'm johnny fair glad to be here. Amen glad to hear it. Let's get right into jonathan writing. Let me give an n._f._c. West is two thousand eighteen recap. Of course you're here because your favorite team is who are those los angeles san angeles rams. The rams were a trendy pick for the super bowl last off season for once. The hype was actualized. Some thought that the seahawks have a bottom five roster. I remember that talk last year but wilson carol and one of the league's best running attacks actually made the playoffs at ten and six the forty niners were riddled with injuries losing jimmy garoppolo apollo. I believe it was in the first three games for the entire season last year and the cardinals were done almost instantly have almost instantly having in the the league last year of course led them to cuyler murray but let's not talk about the cardinals just yet. Let's start with the san francisco forty nine four nurse <music> for twelve third in the division last year they play in what stadium jennifer levi him well done hon sir so this team's offseason. What did it look like. You know. I kind of want to change the format. I haven't liked just naming players from the off-season. Just just being like oh well. They added this linebacker. You know that they got in the second round of free agency now. What does anything stand out about their off-season. One thing being is definitely an seven coleman and kwan alexander quanta alexander big linebacker acquisition from tampa bay paid them a lot of money and free agency san francisco of courses. I said bad luck with linebackers retiring early there. That's some good ones over the years and <hes> kevin coleman potentially become the guy in that backfield. Hey just as big as seven colon. The return chairman canon's pretty large too if if and when he gets on the field because i know right now he's had a setback could be on the bup. He's out yeah. I think my fantasy acetate drop them. Day didn't finish over last season's. Did you might want to try them out. Oh in thirteen league two thirteen any league anytime it's worth noting <hes> finished teams screen being shot that tiddly podcast. Maybe get by thirteen regular season so their draft the forty niners they took nick bosa who i believe he's played a little bit but he's they're taking it slow with them because he's been injured and then in the second round they took deebo samuel and the jalen her in the third so adding think some weapons for mister jimmy garoppolo. So what do you see as this team ceiling other. They get to eight and eight. They got a little ways to go but i think eight pretty reasonable we'll see i think there's just a tad bit higher than that and i haven't been nine seven but i really is very hard to predict the playhouse for this team. I think this team is at least a year away. Hey but i feel like we've been saying that for cow shanahan for a little too long now eleven five eleven and five for the forty niners season so you think they're sneaky. I just seahawks and rams man. It's just bury. Our ed just can't seem to predict someone taking them down just yet so i got their floors six and ten so not a very wide range. I think if garoppolo is healthy. They're going to be right in between six and nine wins. No matter what i'll floors three and thirteen o lisa last second really bought a fall fast okay you think if jimmy played sixteen games they're only gonna win. They can only win three as big if last year to do well. It's how you know. It's hard if we whoa floor with. If everybody's quarterback going down there'd be a lot lower floors across the league when i say floor as a floor says <hes> they're playing a keanu reeves is coming in council. Placements cow shanahan a mullah's kid nick mullins. I mean new mon c._j. Beathard look look great. They win three games. Regardless got a good coach. They did win four last year. I go floor three thirteen next <hes> so we both have them out of the playoffs jimmy garoppolo moving into the quarterback fantasy a._d._p. Quarterback seventeen and i've seen him go much later than that. In a lot of drafts he was the q._b. Eight points per game after the oath nevermind i still got dak prescott stuff in down to the change that i'll start talk about a mark cooper jimmy garoppolo. Where were you at this season you a twelve team league if you leave with him as your quarterback what you think starting quarterback. I'm not very happy right. I must i don't usually take two quarterbacks and other single quarterback lake but you know if two quarterback league i might take you absolutely i think he's right in that range of <hes> back back in cuba too but i think the upside is there a little bit. I don't know i don't see as many weapons for him. Sure i like deebo. Samuel jalen hurd. Are they going to be sufficient in this year to make him a higher threat. I'm not a marquees goodwin kind of burned me and a lot of leagues last year so i'm kinda off that bandwagon to to dante pettis has not looked super grading camp right now so maybe a lot of kiddle once again. I don't know if one major weapon is going to support. Jimmy mcgraw upload q._b. One is he really major weapon. Though oh okay okay let's talk about him right now. So you don't like george gidel being a top three tight end. I don't don't who would you take somebody else over him. At tight end. Yeah i got him tied in six ish while six to eight wow while while most most yards ever but i didn't last you so is it. You just not thinking that sustainable no. He got what one thirtyish targets last last year. We got a lot of targets. That's gonna be down in the eighties this year. Wow i don't see a drop in that for. I still think he's clearly the number on this if he was under one hundred targets i'd be surprised you may. I know this not many people. Do you know who their number two targets was last year ohio number two in targets. Don't tell me call us. Check wasn't cow using that it was not it was pettus no no o._p._r. Sono who was number two. I think his first name is kendrick doc. Don't oh i did see that oh my gosh. I didn't know that guys yeah no. It's a pet is going to have more targets. <hes> samuel's gonna i have some targets the two running backs. You're gonna have some targets the going to be a lot of targets taken from killed this year. Okay i could see that still think so. Well thank you even even if you're projecting him to have i mean he's not going to have the record breaking season that ahead last now but even if you take thirty to forty targets away from them still think he's got real potential. It'll it'll be the top number three or number two tied in because i'm a little down on but i don't like regardless on a like is a._d._p. Right now 'cause you gotta take him in the beginning the third. Sometimes they ended the second year now. That's crazy now. Definitely not for me so what tied in to get you on the show often. What do you seem to become an away away with and dress when you're mocking. Are you one of those. I like to draft the fifth or tight end or you're just like now. I'm putting what to me those top three ghosts so fast and then you have a bunch launch later on i've been taking jason wooden because not many people think about it but i think he's going to have a good year right as about as good of a tied in is he is an announcer but good job as a lot better tidy and then he wasn't. I think i'm a better announcer you. He might have six or seven touchdowns. I could see it probably going to have one hundred fifty total yards. Listen on completely disagree is yards after catch is going to be next it probably talking jason waiver move him undrafted. He's free right. Now is basically free. He'll take they'll take them. I'm gonna nominate them right off the giant when this is over jason as an win wooden finishes as a top five talion. We have me back on the show the greatest fantasy mind that lives in that tom atwater oughta gosh this is true. Jason witten finishes top five thailand our street through the neighborhood where this podcast is but i don't think anybody anything but that's how trip over those speed bumps yeah. I know that whilst hanging would mr producer. Will you make making under this police nike you hear that caleb. They warned up worn a neighborhood patrol running backs on this team. They're going to have a formidable one two punch. I know you brought up mckinnon kennedy but i'm really thinking about seven coleman and matt brita. I think men meritas definitely being slept on. He's the running back fifty in a._d._p. Right now he's not even being taken can yahoo drafts. He averaged five point three yards a carry in twenty seven thirty one targets last year and there's talking cam of them using him in the slot <hes> vilma being that versatile guy that's all over the place and i really like that type of talk if you're in a deeper p._b._r. League twelve fourteen team leagues mabry to needs to be on your radar. Oh definitely if i could get him in my flex spot or maybe you know my top running back off the bench at absolutely happy with that for sure now seven coleman. He's currently the a._d._p. Running back twenty nine and said same hi dear yes okay. I had seven called him last year. No everything's different <hes> you know when what's his face went down from from the falcons right freemen went down. Seven colon was the man he didn't really produce so. I just don't know that he's the man yet that i was surprised. I i really thought it was going to blow up more did last year. Of course he played well enough to get that contract and a kid one of his best years with cow shanahan there in atlanta <hes> i definitely think at that reunion is going to be super beneficial for him. I kind of love kevin coleman. I mean adam is like my running back. Four five in some mocks and i'm like yeah give me that all day because he's definitely the goal line guy and i do think san francisco can be friskin offense tavern cobham very nice pete. Thanks appreciate that donna my drop in pay attention to the preseason when jimmy g. play see who's on the field with them. Pay attention to snap counts. Who's out there when jimmy jeez out there that's going in a you know as far as how the touches are going to be divided and that goes for mckinnon to if he doesn't start on i r is a furthers talk of that. Why receiver dante pettus currently the top receiver on this team be drafted at wide receiver thirty three now. Talk camp is not been great dante pettis. I've been avoiding him lately and he was the guy was taking a lot of earlier because i kinda thought he was the only wide receiver for a little while that i thought i could trust. How do you feel about that receiving stephen court <hes>. I think that's about accurate weather taking if you get him ever your wide receiver three kinda. Get your flex pod. Be okay with it <hes>. If you avoiding donald blame you a bit right. They got markey's goodwin. Still there trent taylor who a lot of early in the off season and a lot of people were yeah. He was a louisiana. It was an attack on a lot of people were talking about how he could have been the target leader on this team has been hurt between taylor's name and deeper p._p._o. Leagues to keep in mind as well jalen her deebo samuel hey. They both played well in the preseason game for what that's worth again. See who is on the field when jimmy g. is <music> out there because if heard or samuel is in two or three tight end sets would jimmy z. I'm gonna start taking a look at that. Same got big potential. Oh definitely heard it looks like a avista and he can. I think he played some ryan. Beck at baylor. Bring back retired in one. He's running back tennessee. If i'm not wrong and then he transferred to because he wanted to receiver they go so he's played before. I think you could see him lineup in multiple spots to shanahan's gonna use the tools he has. He just hasn't had a lot on that. Get emails apologize but i think that's all right all right so we're <hes> let's see i think the player i'm gonna have the most definitely kevin coleman go to get on the marks gill yeah i took kittle so here's my ideal situation. You could take kill any round. Where would you take. I won't route four to go. Four two high out timing in males stood he was i unless you agree. I lost in the playoffs outta ya. I don't think he's got that again. I think he's a talented player. I just don't think he gets the targets. I'm not saying he's not a a good player. I'm saying he doesn't get nearly targets. I think he loses fifty targets from last year top. Seven for kill tight end tight end six eight somewhere around that again wow arizona cardinals he would go worst team in the league last year three and thirteen. They fired their coach. After one year they play in what stadium oh man accu picture they can pull the field out called the cardinal stadium university of phoenix becky wells ellsberg there. That's where he got his degree from halley double associates so the cardinals added a huge influx of talent in the off season as an including jordan hicks terrell suggs. I believe is there now yet terrell suggs. I thought he retired so we probably got emails about that tar. You might as well have n._f._l. Network terrell suggs like thirty six years watched van like eleven o'clock one dynamite dropping ladwig added that mike the national he's thirty six. I just don't know if i'm gonna call them arrival. I don't see him making the colonel's defense you did <hes>. He's a he's a later and you gotta have later nato. He's a presence in that locker room spencer titans they need the president science got it. Maybe super bowl champions a decade ago. Didn't they loose the rams. I share in the n._f._c. chamber. She i gotta go away for just a second. Okay we're back uh-huh theresa. I saw work. Calum murray was asked about terrell suggs and camera gave a great answer. He was like i mean he could be my dad. It's not like we're hanging out. He's probably use that. He played oklahoma with a was. The coach's name that left africa has bob stoops yeah. So what do you see is the ceiling for this thing. Do they even have to have ceiling yeah. They do man i think nine and seven i think the possible m._v._p. Of the league could be in that backfield. Hey i love me some d._j. The love some david johnson his target is going to be really hack because he's going to be some sort of security blanket for collar. I think <unk> around a lot and need to improvise d._j. It'd be there there. He's gonna get a lot carries in the backfield. He's going to be running for his life behind that off the line ashley. That's one of the things that scares me with david johnson because i certainly think he's one of the true workhorses of course david johnson's. I had their ceiling a little lower more like seven and nine. I do think they're going to be frisky. I think they're gonna be fun to watch a lot of fun to watch their there floor. Though i mean i still think they can win four four twelve. Oh yeah i got you into a and they may need another year like that because this team needs some talent influx and so they may need another year i draft picks <hes> they did take a couple of receivers including gas. They took like three receivers in the draft. Andy isabella hakeem butler and keyshawn johnson a six round receiver that they're talking up a lot. Yeah not to be confused with the he's on the hall of fame. Casandra zone probably wrong about that too kerri. He's the quarterback twelve and a._d._p. Rain oh you like him. Don't you do like him yeah. I i do like him. I think he's gonna move around like i think he's going to have a lot of rush yards. Maybe five or six rushing touchdowns. Farah six might be a little <hes> <hes>. I think he's got some upside came out with a backup quarterback. I won't be upset with that so i mainly play in leagues replay two quarterbacks so that's kind of how i i i think about our quarterbacks these days but with one in a one quarterback league honestly in one quarterback league. I'm not even thinking about quarterbacks who's going to be there. The fifteenth round. I'll take him please and definitely not drafting two of them but to quarterback league of calendar is one of my quarterbacks love it love it love it. If it's a twelve team league one quarterback yeah absolutely but there are about twenty two gaza be happy recorded packing on quarterback league championships. Do you have zero zero zero. I am over over for seven in super bowls. What were the chances of that. That is crazy the mobile mobile because you are very passionate always tell zach i was like i wonder how many championships have had i would have if it was just who scored the most points between week one and week sixteen. I don't think my fingers can fit those rings johnny come. There's a a lot of n._f._l. Teams that think the same thing aka the saints also known the things but now they're gonna love or wasn't araya's i'm sure but still we jaffer show. Put don't no no brichet the rams. The chiefs would have been the champions last year. If you go back thank patrick mahomes better than drew brees. I'm losing a static especially here a lot. I'm sorry i got off topic. Apologize staticky just as david johnson. You talked about you. Love forum is currently running back five and he will be our before berry soon because zeke's about to start falling and a._d._p. I don't know why he hasn't fallen already ready to be honest with you. I wanna zeke take from you. Don't get you in here. Need zeke take from youth means that we're talking about on the way over here taking zeke. I am dropping one of the big four four out of my top four. I'm dropping alvin kamara out of there. I don't know how many hundred rush games he has. I think ingram's gonna hurt him. I know what's the guy that got davis moore. He's in there but he's not marketing and my marketing was really good. I think losing him is going to hurt. The saints tavis marriage really yeah see i like marketing or do. I like him better mary yeah but not enough to be like in that offense. He's gonna drop off honestly watching their don't take too much in the preseason but i do like players passing the tests and the preseason and voided latavius murray's pass that test and sort of that offense on their first team drives in their first preseason game. I'm still i'm still uh holding <hes> reservations. They're era. I gotta see him see c._f._c. Definitely number one. I still got zeke it. To why haven't you why zeke aac lower for you mammoth at the cowboys a lot resume when he was going through his his issues. I think he's pushing for more money and they covered up a correct way of the i think jerry's gonna pay pay think you'll be ready week one. I don't think there's any doubt definitely feels like the daddy thing. He's he's daddy. You know as young. We're like the plantation owner. Now you getting jerry has him get get a a lot. They got a connection. Do helio my teammates. Finisher knows law hope on my back to my point at number number three. I've got your voice and then four giga number four. Are you a d._j. Over i would yeah i mean. I certainly don't think that's ridiculous. I i wouldn't do it just because i think we know exactly who the saints are and chimeras ties floor is so much higher plus. I definitely he's he's definitely a first rounder. I just don't know about those first four picks. I don't know if he's in that for me. I think david johnson's ceiling could be higher than compared. I think he's on the hostile league. Oh definitely definitely definitely i mean he's got two thousand total yards written all over him. If this offense is roland and chimera may not have that because they are going to give latavius a lot of work but it just all rushing attempts along the saints are definitely going to run more too. I mean they've been going that way for several years and tabriz not getting younger. They're definitely going to be running absolutely and i understand that that that's one of my points. How many one hundred yard games does chimera half. I mean i would set the over under seven eight. I don't know the answer for sure. I know it's not a lot oh you mean what what he did last year. I'm just saying in his career right. If you're gonna turn around hand the ball off. He's not your guy yeah. I mean like chimera is gonna be he's gonna be solid for whoever but there is going to be a workload so you gotta worry about latavius and there's dwayne washed in homs hi. This is not a science. We're talking about would would you take d._j. Over camaro david absolutely not saying that will be a word low but the size office is gonna move at a good pace and i know that carlos officemate limited good pace but no there's also just the whole unknown of yes. We're excited about murray sorry yes. We're excited about cliff king bears offence. We ain't seen it yet. We don't know what's going to do. All the saints offensive line chip kelly came in his offense got rejected actually gyp convince light tennessee six first-year. Where's he at rhino records. Oh no he's okay okay so i would definitely wouldn't take. I'm definitely got zeke back. I'm really scared about the holdout but anyway we both really like david johnson. The would be right behind that the top four zeke's gone. He would be my number four so wide receiver kirk kurt. Kristen kirk is going kirk. Cousins kirk is going at thirty two new fitzgerald at thirty seven. Do you like any options at receiver for the cardinals. Our chris kurt boy am harvey like an s._e._c. guy but <hes> yeah yeah he's explosives and he's really good. I think that's probably about accurate <hes> fisher house one hundred thirty seven years old eventually. He's going to slow down old true yeah but man. He's one of those. He's going to get open and i think he's gonna find him. I think he's gonna finish it had occurred so if i had to take a receiver from the cardinals it'd be fitzgerald right especially at that <hes> thirty-seven wide receiver thirty seven and i've seen him go even later than that. There's like the forty fifth receiver. Sometimes taken sure put put down through the future hall of famer on the bench especially n._p._r. Leaks <hes>. I'm not really interested in any of the rookies right now on that team. I think the ball's gonna be spread around a lot. They're gonna play a lot of four over four and five receivers spread them out so i think it could be a different receiver popping every week so majority of the time staying away from these receivers anyway yeah another rookie quarterback man you. It's going to be all over. The place tied it on this team. Ricky sales jones charles clay max williams all their cliff kingsbury promise not to forget about them which means he will absolutely free absolutely yeah. Don't worry about the cord stadion shame because both of them you know they've got to that are pretty talented. I just don't know silicones klay boats but they were talking about earlier in the offseason how they barely see the field. They're the high paid spectators so i'm thinking forty targets max between the two. Oh man yeah so don't draft. You probably knew that already. If you're in a tight spot may be good for a touchdown so if you just have no other choice maybe take them because they're going to throw the ball you draft to cardinals calamari and david johnson and and go. Why did we talk the last fifteen minutes. He's not the best color man in the los else angeles rams. I'm sorry will you go back and say in n._f._c. champion n._f._c. champion super bowl lane egg. I think they did you gotta get there. The gotta get there say that was one of the worst helluva coach gregg coach coach son mcvay congrats. He was good on hard knocks last night. Oh yeah that's great thirty. Now is the students age. I'll toldt china sean mcveigh screw. The ryan helms in los angeles ran thirteen and three. I in the vision soup n._f._c. champion. They play in what stadium calcium l._a. Memorial coliseum right now now. I looked up. If the new one had a name it is not known about what what sponsors sponsorship you root for. I won't say what are those duluth underwear merinos commercials. I want the duluth under say that's pretty good. I won't tampax. I bet you do i. I like the the new orleans basketball team. I like smoothie gain game get in there. Let's get into the shots. I'm not i like smoothing. Let's get in there. The smoothie king hall of champions ever ever in los angeles. Smoothie king is based al louisiana by the does he been in los angeles one. Thank you thank you. They added clay. Matthews who just a natural fit in los angeles honestly from eric well. They're very happy about and of course the boat route. Blake bortles now the bic quarterback. Maybe the blake up quarterback blake bortles love. It disappointed about clay matthews that he came to your ticket. Yes not fan. I like him. I do i think littleton stud and i think he's gonna move into bench are the no no he's not. He's gonna be in there but there are you know both of them. In the in the middle wrapping matthews again woah so fast get out of his way in clay matthews. He's up there yeah cory littleton <hes> i i know i knew his name last year because i was in one league inquiry little and i was like who's this guy at the top the charts done yeah. He was awesome. Seeing blocks punts last year to get six points for that sounds great. They added a daryl darrelle henderson in round three of the draft. They get some offensive line. Help a few defensive tackles in the draft they lost lamarcus joyner and roger sappho half old now and he's a great guard mark barrett in consumer mayor from alabama feel like up for the <hes> floor and ceiling for this day. I was sixteen. I'm i'm nervous about it. I nervous about you think there's some regressed. I'm nervous about todd gurley his knee people are saying you know even if he's out that offense offense is still going to click. I don't know about it. I don't know about i think the floor nine seven nine seven. Is the floor okay yeah. It's about what a boot boot and of course their ceiling is teen in three timeout a thirteen and three so get the saints radio every time they play thirteen thirteen and three get out of the past. I'm just saying get out of the past. We're join us here. Zach join a series in august. I'm heart heartbroken. I say six and ten is based unless they get those crappy riffs. Three hundred thirteen is the worst okay. Thank you mr producer. Can we kill that. We're still around a hate him and it was like a hollywood set up in new orleans last year. Hollywood movie about hollywood setup may also remade the lion king because they know they'll get your money money. I would never support like that. We get cheated and we should be helping. The first one is right. They did shoot us. Class spent that ten fifty all right here. We go there winning the division. I got them still winning this division. I don't see anyone taking them down their potential top up to seed. I don't necessarily see them coming off that perch. I don't have any reason look if you're buying into regression for the same because the girl's name because the defense maybe maybe slightly down out. I'm not sure i believe that. I don't talk so salen myself. Twelve and four america okay a little bit. More conservative prediction finished second division. Okay all right. We're getting there. We're getting there. Okay yeah yeah now with you. There jared goff quarterback eleven off the board. He was quarterback five weeks. One through eleven last cheer on a points per game basis weeks twelve through sixteen. He was the thirty first quarterback in points per game. What wait the cooper cup. Go out so cooper. Cup went out in a week twelve. I believe it was so yes. That was the loss he is a big safety blanket a big town touchdown touchdown guy he he wanted me a couple of games next year actually so i think they really missed him the last few games and in the playoffs of course they definitely did they definitely supercup but i will say that that <hes> rams chiefs game was without cooper cup so they were certainly capable of putting up fifty burger without him there you go. It just didn't happen in a few times. I really like jared goff this year. I think his his end of season struggles is being built into his price. He doesn't have the struggles. He's probably going more top six top twelve right now so let me ask you a question. Is it possible to really like three rod receivers off a team but not like the quarterback. I've that's what i was going to do. In the receivers parts. It'd probably brought it up so the rams have three receivers being taken in the top like twenty one twenty me too wide receivers and the quarterback is only quarterback twelve. There is no other team in the league that has three receivers then top forty forty three of the top twenty. One eighty be right now. How can you not love jared goff with one hundred percent. I don't get it but i really do. I really like woods. I really liked cooks. I really like cup. I'm not a fan of golf. I don't know why i can't really give you a reason why those gut things from mhm face because he struggled the first year with the other the other head coach no. I'm saying mcveigh was not cosa the first year he stroked now. God had a huge year last year and i think he's going to be a similar year. It's just one of those is jared goff. I don't know if i'm ready to pull the trigger on okay okay. This is name settlers last night to get good quarterback off and now gulf was equal equal mitch producer. Can we do anything about uh-huh something so let's go ahead and talk about the receivers yeah the trident of n._f._l. Receives brandin cooks at fifteen robert. Robert woods is currently going and sixteen coop recovered twenty-one. <hes> woods overcooked for me especially any type of p._r. Format maybe an standard. I'm going cooks. I think think woods just a little bit more consistent although their catches were pretty similar last year and people don't realize that to me you nailed it consistency. I think cooks has that <hes> <hes> possibility of giving me that thirty point game but i think if you're looking for somebody that fifteen points every week i think woods guy so this is what sold it for me in weeks. Twelve through six sane were awfully struggled. Woods was the wide receiver eight and sixteen points. A game cooks wasn't in the top thirty thirty seven point one point game so that shows you who is looking for when he's having those bad games so woods is going to perform no matter what the offense is doing so. That's why woods woods's over cooks for me. Do you have anything about cup wasn't the first one through twelve in the first one through twelve hour. He was right no but he was he was high up. There was way up there. I would say he was even always definitely. Definitely i want to say he was in wide receiver. One category formats for sure yeah so are you scared of cup coming off the a._c._l. Not in that offense man so you're willing to take him at his price right now around twenty one thanks so i think if you can get any of those receivers in the top five six rounds. I think you're super happy and you do it. I've had cubs is my wide receiver three a few times and i don't know i haven't left excited. He's the only one i've kind of avoided is a cooper cup but <hes> i dunno coming around. No no i kind of want to see him out there to please let me see you out there the previous one was you know he's not. He's not gonna blaze your forty speed. He's not gonna you know. Jump over your vertical. He's just there right. Let me see that he has that time it would goff's yeah <hes> so todd gurley best running back in fancy football for most most of the season then of course that knee injury the mysterious arthritis situation currently the running back nine off boards even with that injury concern learn as seen him in the back half of the second round. Reports are a little scary. There's there's some reports out there that one week he could get fifteen carries the next week he might i four depending on the game plan just depending on how he's feeling yeah. That is that's scary. When i'm thinking about more be one and that's he's right now. He's being drafted. It was back in rb we want. I don't love that risk. I think it depends on your league. I think if you think you're going to be able to accumulate some running backs during the middle of the a year like if you think you're going to be the first one waiver guy or whatever you can take a chance on girly especially if you can get as your rb two or something which is possible physio physio and back in the back end in the second round. I think i'm a little higher on him than the people that are skeptical but i'm not as high as the girly truth or what are you saying. I'm we <hes>. It's just one of those. I'm not big on this word. I don't want to use it. I don't like to use it in cable handcuff. I i think it's one of those if you get girly look at henderson hard they together draft a henderson of thought so same page here <hes> yeah thank you definitely you wanna look at the handcuff. I think if he's healthy i think he's got huge potential. There's like he did last year. I think they may hold him out a little bit. Thank you may lose a few carries. We'll see it's one of those getting back half the first round. I'd be happy with that second round for sure. I'd be thrilled okay so second right well well. You can probably take him around. I'd be happy yeah that can definitely having so. I'm glad you brought up handcuffs because i was kind of ask about my philosophy. I fear that the other day i really don't like to do it. I don't do it often one thing. I look at for handcuffs. Though is if the starter goes down am my for sure that this person that i'm gonna waste of bench spot on for so many weeks is going to get eighty percent of the touches that i got because that's about the threshold will cause if not if it's just gonna be a committee and i wasted that mitch bought. I'm ticket myself yeah. That's not a good move so in this situation. I feel like darrell henderson. <hes> is almost going to have a role even girls there. Oh yeah i think it's definitely seventy five twenty five split already right and i think if girly goes out i think jump up he'll get eighty percent of the reps and that's okay see that's fine with me but darryl henderson you also have to take so he's like the fortieth running back off the board which could be like around l. nine eight so you're spending draft capital on that handcuff white. Hey it's not like this is the last pick type a hand. It goes like somebody like alexander. Madison is the backup dalvand cook or chase. Edmunds would be the direct backup for david johnson. You haven't spent a little bit more capital in that so i don't love i love that but depending on your team and how it's formatted and if you're good at receiver fine do henderson girly say yes one of those where you know if you you are you drive girly. Get henderson you draft. You know roberson for ex. You get receiver x.'s backup. No no no. I don't play the game but in most spots. I want somebody giving those points in this spot here. It's very possible that you know is out are really reduces. His role in henderson steps apps up so i definitely think this handcuff is worth another thing is if they do the thing where girly gets fourteen one week three the next week you know not gonna. I don't know which one of the play every week then you're just paralyze at. I don't see any scenario really were todd. Gurley sits on your bench and gets through carries a weight but it's one of those were i think it could go from twenty to fifteen or twelve in with running back. That's big if he's that's a big big absolutely if he's doing that what you're saying every week he definitely needs to be taken back into one top it too absolutely okay and they kept malcolm brown around by the way they did not have to keep malcolm brown around and they put it on and they paid them a little bit malcolm brown could still some touchier there to darryl hamilton talented guy is the as memphis they call them. One of the best returners in the conference's history interesting yeah tied in jail ever gerald everett is a name to know always telling the rams we are oh my gosh of course we were going to spend a long time. He's pretty minutes. When you did the saints important right mr producer. I mean you really ask he's not being drafted jailed ever but i saw one of the rams blogs calling him a sleeping giant in this rams offense. I didn't realize he was so young. He had the he also just as third year he the highest percentage of target's purse snaps own the team so when he's out there goth obviously likes looking for him. He's still young third year. He was raw. I don't even think he played college football from what i remember joe effort everett deep tight end sleeper to know giant johny lacerra mr producer. I mean one last time so yeah. I really i really liked it. They really liked remember earlier when i said i'd kill roberts every six to eight yup gerald guys i'm thinking of stopping water one of the guys you think could finish above him. You're not taking joel everett in the sixth sir around no no. I'm talking about yeah why rec- were obviously we're tied in six to eight rounds where every threat in the same range bright the same right okay all right bolt. Hey we're already jason witten. Don't make me lay no no you're. You're kidding all right so i got the rams is the division winner. There's fancy value all over the place. They're gonna have one of the best offenses in the league but you sir. Sir must like this next team an awful lot as a whole as a whole seattle seahawks. They were tenants six second division last year and they play in what stadium here you drink physical hold on. I know i can see it. It's got the little now. Don't say nothing. No i do know it especially told me earlier but is tough atkins say the stands that can come to a slope. Oh yes good. You're listening to the twelfth man. Hold on hold on here over. Thank you know i've got i've got i think centurylink i did not by the way what do they do. It's interesting. I know that's unique bratwurst for shout out nick breath. They're all over the place have to ford this. They have their own doctrine turning in their office in a nearby town here. They just have a doctor on staff that just their m._d. This century like indeed over there just to see their staff members. They sarah what do they do. I'll call next week. What's the ceiling for this team. The seahawks thirteen and three wow well. I definitely don't have it that high. I think this team <hes> this team has one of the smallest ranges about comes. I think there are like there between eighteen nate six. Hey man eight nine tennessee imitate something thirteen and three i also agree with the smallest range wow eleven and five zero floor. Let me tell you one thing seven and nine in the play offs and basically embrace a team eleven and five uh. Hey let me tell you road and n._f._l. Let me tell you some seattle. Seahawks have a gym on the outside decay metcalf rookie rookie of the year most explosive wide receiver here most explosive privacy with drivers since randy moss he would go. I'm so glad all this is on tape seven. I can't wait round pick for some load slowed. He came metcalf. We go gave away for that. If you're all right so you love see you think they could potentially be the number one. Don't love seattle seattle. I'm a realist you you love their prospects of heaviest in short. I got them second. In this division. They finished just outside the playoffs. Maybe sneaking in the playoffs just like they did last. I hear coach to the rams. No no i had the rams finishing first in that yes behind the rams behind the rams winning the division yeah you got them with their four zero to five. I hope so all right. That's interesting so hey let me get. Let me get this. Do you super bowl big. Put me on the spot and i tell you what let's come back to that when the cast is over and i'll give you a prediction okay okay. I wait when the cast at the end of the end of this none of the i've got heartaches for you after the kids. I like how you you call it a cast by the way i'm pod gay. We we go and cast this. Is this mix up russell. Wilson currently the consensus quarterback back eight off boards on e._s._p._n. He's going thirteenth on yahoos going sixth twelfth. In points per game last year ran for zero touchdowns dance last year. It had the fewest rushing attempts of his career. Don't like that trend. I think that's that's about actor. It'll be more of the same. I think they've got. I think carson's gonna get a ton of kerry's <hes> tana carries. I think he's not going to have to run. I think there's going to hand the ball off. They're going to throw it to <hes> they lost. Oh what's his name doug about yeah. They lost ball one down lock stellar talent nemec africa the year would go one hundred percent if you believe that you need throw some money down because i'm sure you get great odds on him. I don't have my wife kept my wallet. This is going to happen. The go you could. Fantastic esta god's on him so russell wilson's not again. I don't think i've taken them in a single mom yeah. I'm not super excited about russell wilson yeah so you know this team wants to run. They're probably going to be second the ravens in rushing and tim great but i don't think he's right fantasy while he had a ridiculous efficiency last year would touch down to that's probably not going to continue running back. You just mentioned chris a lot of carries a lot of care lada cures. I think it's gonna be you know low yards per carry because i think he's <hes> tom and carries. I think he'd have eleven hundred twelve hundred dollars last year he did. He was over eleven hundred. I think it's going to bump up a little bit. I don't think it's going to increase a what yeah because i believe. He had nine touchdowns last year harding saying yeah he was running back twenty one eighty p right now fifth in total total points weeks twelve through sixteen last year in the running back position very good down the stretch average four point seven yards a carry in. There's talk of doubling his twenty four targets from last year. They want him to be a pass catching now. Okay yeah you say that if i can get him that's what author often coordinator's office corners as love. Thanks if i could get him early does light second round. I'd be happy with that. I think yes sneaking into light first round. I think this just too much. I think it's pretty pretty good for him. Well johnny you can get him in the fifth round now. I think that's crazy. I i look running back twenty one. That's about where they go. That's about where he's doing. Fifth round. I think tony moly consensus you have ten running backs taking johnny's gonna have a lot of chris carson this year. It'd be taking them. Are you in. It was like to lead together in one league and coach john. We can't talk about place out finishing the last we did not finish. I went won't in fourteen fifteen. Whatever it is yeah. I i think crisscrossing breaks out. I think he's gonna end up running back seven or eight well. I like them a lot too but obviously i'm not getting them in the league. We're together. 'cause you the option you might okay so rishaad penny running back thirty two right now off the boy board he had four point nine yards a carry last year with and he's got a better passing pedigree for sure many was more explosive last year down the stretch than people gave him credit far there. There's going to be enough attempts to go round. I agree with that going to be usable. You literally just said that they planned on upping carson's listens. Yeah yeah yeah so. I think you know obviously were those gonna come from. They don't come from painting. I think they're just going to go down. I think carson's really gonna overshadowing. I'm not taking him at all. You know carson's been banged up every almost every season. He's been in the league. He's missed some games. He hasn't played a full sixteen games yet if he ever does miss extended time short penny going to be huge huge could be a monster. I don't mind having been a running back off my bitch fact i would love that because i'm not even sure at running back there to to price you can get him that late. Okay i'm gonna pass them neka. What if you can cost around two most ike taylor lock. It is a._d._p.'s around wide receiver twenty into also wide receiver twenty two and a per game basis last year. He had ten touchdowns on fifty seven. It's crazy. He's gonna get more targets this year for sure <hes> i think he got about him up. I think it's crazy having that little lock it. You're not worried about yeah looking at a wide receiver twenty until you're not worried about. He's definitely going to get more targets. They're not worried about his efficiency is yards perception with ashes rush life and i think a lot of the long plays that he got last year going to go to <hes>. What's that guy's name. Oh yeah make f- okay so decay metcalf if easier wide receiver through your fun yeah absolutely. I think i'm good okay how many i'm not thrilled with it but it's one of those things where i'm not looking to get him as my wad review rafferty wide receiver three draft because he's not really being drafted right now. He's gonna be on my bitch <laughter>. He's gonna be on my bed for sure. I'm so glad you came to do. This was the email for the podcast because when spencer false mentioned foster trade requests for decay making. I'm not screen shot and send it to the email for the g mail podcast. Give it one more time. I don't think they service if the energy male podcast dot com as about is it casts gmail.com yeah daycare's about like he's a little ditzy. This kind of water play in decay med geffen board to sixty five eighty. You still to sixty yeah avs than you have accu yeah but ah learn every now the do you play. Did you play but if i was six six five six four i still can go without telling me do in the n._f._l. You know not that small. I choose not to talk about people that are six five six four so decay a d._j. Wherever you want just go one thirteen like i'll tell you i'll call you from one to thirteen. Thank you lose david moore david more just the name to keep in mind just in case decay metcalf is not the next randy. Moss says gianni gianni versace david more than to keep in mind. He's gonna be out there and in fact he could play ahead of decay matt gift from ron. I'm reading so keep in mind when you watch preseason games david even more that must have been on the onion tied in on this team. It's pretty much a wasteland ed dickson nick monette will disley brian a uh brian schottenheimer no getaway dixon taibbi touchdown catcher desmond's ed dickson twenty seven even catches six coordinator said he was more at ease with playing. We'll disley so vote of confidence. They're more at ease talked about earlier. We'll disley now. The ovens opponents hammer yet talking about chris cars yeah. They were good you how how good with with your confidence be. If your boss came in. It was like johnny. I gotta tell you i'm a little bit more at ease where you work in think you'd feel good. He's got well distantly waiting in the background. I used to be honest. I don't know where to go after that. I'm so salie you you don't wanna part of him. No i'm not drafting. There's too much d._j. Decay metcalf going around that much not game that gap earlier in like kirk because came from s._e._c. school different the fires. I'm trying to invite him to every league. I got right now. I are talking feel that cup upset super bowl prediction yeah. What do you got for me. I'll give you mine. Do many go out and give me your so. Mine's been hampered a little bit right now. As long as you fill your cup of tea will go ahead sponsor so angela calf injury yeah. That's really putting a hamper online because i don't know what that situation is. Pretend andrew looks healthy. If he's out the i want. The custom bears colts unbeaten. I'm halfway there with you. I'm halfway sukuk. I got the goals if angelo stays healthy. I think they're gonna be us their mom mosser. I hate it to yeah. I got the new orleans saints in there. I think i think drew brees is coming off a coming off a really disappointment n._f._c. Championship game is that it was as they're going to be really motivated because i think they had that game and they took their foot off the gas and that really hurt them. I think they're going to pussy footed around. They're gonna blow some teams out this year mattie. We'll take a step further north saint super bowl. You will not hear that again. Let's go. I'm fired about that now <hes> kia by and that was a johnny fire ever get science science props never will again on videotape now or whatever it is somebody coats track wipe the cameras back to the camera you of your camera. You might be telling gret tomorrow. Goldsmith super bowl rematch almost a decade ago such such a high manager. He should have three. Let it happen again a repeat with the n._f._l. Season just get here already. I haven't even take important a draft yet. I after august twenty fourth itchen babe. I want to say one more thing. Please anything more. The saints beat the cowboys in the n._f._c. champ n._f._c. championship games johnny's first army army of he knows he started me up but you know what it may happen because the capitalists and we're going to be. I can't kill this special. Show uh-huh showing what's up. It's the saints versus. The chargers could be rivers versus breeze and this former today's. He's embraced gets breeze spends before we kill. I just want to thank you for having me on here absolutely caleb. Thank you for setting all this up allowance for have this beautiful cast thrasher <unk> appreciate you being new everything else. I really appreciate you have me i. I can't wait to do it again. Do you have any interesting <hes> other interesting division. Winners throughout teams are thinking they hold on. Let me think about this dummy some divisions if they don't get me think about it cannot cover tort. Yes you want see gives you something retort. We both size when the south okay. Do you want to take for you. Yeah police okay here. We go decade of dominance ends new york jets. Y beat the patriots and that division. You know what i like me some the patriots when when the division but just to make the play a lot of overlooking the on belle paco huge. I think it's really being sam. Darnold is going to be better saying help but be better with levian bell santa behind you. You can't help that true that earlier. I think some donald very quarterback. You got the <hes> chief surcharges in the a._f._c. west to we'll be talking about next week. How about the writer. I number for matches cheeser stacked ma'am i. I think that's the they lost <hes>. They lost four but they got <hes>. I didn't look frank clark yeah after they're gonna be. They're gonna be studs teacher stood. That's the tough division n._f._l. I i actually think the writers aren't doing division but you bear wash from the wildcard. I'd say definitely while card not division the chaser winning chase away. I agree on charges sudan to if not number one grows go coach them up though less sad because the hard knocks jon gruden maroon yells at his team. He's a good coach. He is good coach. Situation wrecks on the jazz and they were going to get a snack again. They've finished right now. I'm just going to predictive predict what about the a._f._c. North your skua ravens got steelers browns guy. Are you thinking andy dalton bishop. He's still only matt thank. Do you want me to say it and i'm so close to say it. Browns were brown say i i think brown's got tony romo. Jim jim nance week. One browns and titans already been announced got branston bosa. They're going to be creates on gaga aubrey crazy 'cause they got. They got two receivers looking to push it down. Feel a quarterback that wants to take it back nick back. Put it on record the steelers them because they are good. They're good like a franchise when they're winners. If i'm gonna steelers browns go learn how to win. I hey remember we talked about a hundred carson earlier definitely taken before it. That's for cerdic is going to be this year. Do i do not care that cream huts late in the season. He's gonna struggle the touchable. I'm with you. I got nick top-five m._v._p. Candidate thank you for dropping him in our league together last year by the way. Don't get to keep him for a dollar this upcoming season. I'm looking for hearst about this more more than i cursed about anything in that singley because nobody touched him. He was just a free agent. He's gonna be spending. Get the ball. I picked him up. Nobody touched him anita's. Yes extra spotlessly. I'm dropping picking back up the next week gone. That's right. When carlos was traded. I was there. I was devastated. You drop a good player yeah. I'll be there. Drop pigs awful. John's pixel does physically going to pick some now in east cowboys. Gonna blow it out. You go away yeah. We've heard them. He asked him very disappointed. Auto love for cowboys made the a._f._c. east affiliates eagles would say no no. I have it thirty three surgeries and my foot and i'm less injury prone than carson there. It is put it in the book talent the n._f._c. you see it on paper. The eagle point no hope. I watch the games breath twice again. I'd say i tell you what cowboys with zeke eastern finished second. Yes i do yeah. I think the eagles are strong strong strong eagles ation. Actually the cowboys division 'cause 'cause they get to the rest four tie four games. I mean they're going to get four. We ended our smart. Kevin division poor all saints they may they got sixteen. I don't know what's going to happen elsewhere. The bruce areas with the bow. She got matt ryan on tasha's and get cam newton on the panthers. I don't know and we're the i got. I individuals who got by the cowboys we play the i never division plus. Yes we got play <hes> eagles and rams schedule the cow skulls in jacksonville and those other guys us but i don't know like to me that division the jacksonville jacksonville jaguars attack since coast chicago too but the division see division. We gotta play his biggest drop off from meister chicago bears no way i agree with you i mean i don't see how people say burs win. That division evasion with mitch trubisky at cornerback sar- sar- is fine. You can get done when the matt nagy offense he got done last year. Don't overwrite right aaron rodgers. He is not that good. He's great. He's great quarterback but he's a diva in davor. Sometimes don't do what not they go. Hey it's very rare that a defense that dominated the year before dominates the next year down bears defense is not going to be as good as he we best defensive footballer about. Don't be better if you're the bears. That's how you got do really. I like the vikings by the way really kirk cousins. I love the vikings dylan. I may pick draft curses. I liked by do they got some. They got some weapons. Fail the beefed up the biggest problem. Don't drive team. Greatcoats kirk cousins presence. I don't draft 'em toil don't draft. Him is eventually thirteen of us doc all the divisions. I think that's it no not was left. John fair donated draft kirk cousins. So who do you you have win that division green bay or minnesota. I did have chicago win that division i got i got say i need aaron rodgers. I just do some. This is okay i need to i want to put the you know the hot. Take on the line but i'll take it. We like hot. Take a hot ticket on jimmy. Graham can't pull that you're i think if aaron rodgers decides that he wants to vote to jim mcgrath is going to be explosive but i tell you what spitzer foster. I don't know if you remember this. We had a conversation probably when jim grants with the sites that tells you how long ago with and we talked about long-term which tied into you want <hes> i picked gronkowski. Do you remember picking against me. I don't remember that at all but i wouldn't surprise me. If that big jimmy graham yeah especially i was probably thinking he was more athletic and younger. I probably wasn't that much younger probably going along with something along the lines of him being more athletic and at that only was still attached to the saints yeah so attached to drew brees at that point yeah. Dodger brees was gonna play longer than tom brady probably. I didn't think tom brady be playing at forty. Two at this level. You can get one more point about the science one of the reasons to be good this year. I think jerry cook. I think that's a big pickup for them. It is i think it's huge. It is zach's favorite offseason because the saints had a really blush jimmy grow. I think they've missed that. I think that's a big pickup for this year. I got him win that division. I just don't have them talk to. The facts are good. They're gonna be closer but the buyers and packers it can be tied. I think to forget about the vikings skins baby well. They're gonna sit ninety seven. That's what's gonna happen. Is you're getting close college football. We were to cut this thing fast <music>. I'm fired starting starting to cast fast forward clinton alabama so easy as as determined watching the independence bowl say l._s._u. Texas go into terminal on texas. She's gonna be in. I know i i'm rooting for him. Baby farm just beat alabama once in the last decade. That'd be fun. Thank you this. They won't kill him. We'll be moving in the bay screen and everything at the house gets fourteen now part of us november third every year. They don't watch it with people anymore. Just watch it by myself is absolutely okay. Let me know when that changes yeah he. He's a hard worker. I'm sure it looks like his hands would be a jason garrett. Come come on key other castle uh-huh kill the cans. I'm about to get explosive twenty minutes ago when we say in show baby grow kickers scarlet cake kickers a._f._c. west next week the.

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Niners Nation: Will the 49ers make it to September with 53 healthy players?

Niners Nation

30:29 min | 1 year ago

Niners Nation: Will the 49ers make it to September with 53 healthy players?

"Welcome to the first episode of the niners nation podcasts. My name's kyle posey. You can follow me on twitter at k._p. Underscore show it'll be just me today in the future future. There will be other guests mostly. It'll be members of our staff. Sometimes it'll be the opposing team that the niners played that week. It'll be just random guests here and there. We don't have a name for for this podcast just yet. We need one. I don't want it to be called the niners nation podcasts. I wanted to call it the scarlet jimmy's but apparently that's not appropriate on today's episode. We're going to recap the preseason game with the forty nine ers beat the cowboys seventeen to nine and we have no choice but to talk about injuries just a heads up this was recorded on sunday night and monday morning the forty-nine signs samyong that is going to be the swing tackle that takes place of sean coleman. He spent the last three seasons with the dolphins and in two thousand eighteen he played one hundred twenty one total snaps on offense eighty five of those came at right tackle twenty eight of those came as the left tackle and the other eight believe it or not he played in line tied in a young was drafted in two thousand and ten from the dallas cowboys in the six round. He has twenty one starts in eighty games. He's played with the cowboys bills jaguars and the dolphins you know a lot of people brought up justin excu who the niners draft that i believe in this six round of this past draft but he's just not ready to be that guy just yet in he's six rounder you you can tell by just watching a few snaps than that. He's not ready to play in the n._f._l. That's not really a shot at him. That's just it is what it is so we'll figure that out or hopefully we know they're having to bring in somebody who is along. The lines of cullman cullman was third rounder. I believe so that's pretty quality backup. Other other news was allegedly linebacker in. He broke his thumb. Apparently he's gonna miss two weeks. He'll be back <hes>. Not you know the the biggest news but it's just seems like injuries over over over bikes. I don't know what is in the water in santa clara but <hes> something is up so with lies leaving out that will open the door though for some of the other younger players in there's gonna be a lot of guys that are going to have really have no choice to step up so on as z's al shahir is a rookie undrafted free agent and he plays really fast ask in. He had a really good game so but i believe largely played on the strong side. If i'm not mistaken so a most of the forty niners linebackers it seems using my opinion are better suited for the weeks. I just kinda run and chase guys so and again. It's not going to be the end of the world that lead mrs tie it might <unk> roberson to play more nickel which is probably better suited for today's n._f._l. Anyways other injuries he's on d._j. Jones has a spray and he's week-to-week jimmy ward. Everybody's favorite free safety will have x-rays this week each and they just wanna see what kind of progress he's making t._v. Kind of get him out there and get back to practicing again torn. Had something happened with his hand. I'm not exactly sure because i know he played the majority of the game but he's spy he'll be okay. Martha harris had a stinger. I i believe that was the play where he laid out and he came out but he's okay. Malcolm smith still has a he's done with a hamstring he. He should be back at some point this week rain. Most dirt running back is in the concussion protocol so get ready to see i mean especially as a preseason goes along if they want to rest mabry to see a lot of maybe awesome walter and brandon right and wilds just like we did on saturday and the other injury obviously the biggest one of all trent taylor so chart was his bond in training camp into in his practices and i was watching he ah is pretty clear that if you had to pick one receiver even including kill that garoppolo favors turn taylor more than anybody else that's where his eyes are going so to be retailer to so. There was a couple of different reports. He hasn't stress fracture. I believe it was is is injury and chris peterman of the sacramento bee said that he had he broke his pinky toe so he's going to be out four to six weeks. He said they are expecting. They're hoping that taylor is able to return by week. One a he wouldn't exactly commit. Let's hope in if they have to sit him out through the by even just so he gets like an extra week the buys week four he just an extra week to fully recover that would be big so good news as the forty niners exactly play. If i'm just remembering right they don't play a gauntlet of secondary's early on in the season so <hes> they should be bio taylor ehler book that just means you're gonna have to see more plays like we did from the ricky's and we will get into that in a little bit but that's that's. The andrew drew front so man. It seemed like in a span of twenty minutes during the game guys are just dropping out left and right it was it was <hes> it was something else that's for sure but art <hes> moving on. Let's get to the actual game what we saw just kind of who stood out winners losers takeaways all that good stuff so i thought bed nick mullins. You're going to think that the interception eddie through through and it was a bad. There's no hiding that i thought he just played really well. He hung in there in the pocket <unk> mrs preseason the forty niners happened that was that will play in september and october and the regular season on their offensive line out there. I don't think there was anybody honestly so caramba. Just hang in there and take the big hits and deliver. Some really nice passes <hes>. I thought he played really well. I honestly have no idea what the depth chart is when they're talking about c._j. Beathard or nick mullins buries a clear cut backup quarterback in that as mullins. I i don't understand. I don't think that battered should be on a roster. I understand nate as preseason and you're gonna carry three or four quarterbacks but if it comes down to it and especially given the injuries three quarterbacks is not the way to go wind moans. I don't know i think really highly of him. In this is obviously based on an undrafted free agent knowing you know what his status his draft status where he came from so for what he is nick moses very very good and obviously the league rookie. I thought all these were very very good. Samuel had a towards the end the game spin a better that he ran a double move got past ask. The quarterback was probably ten yards in front of him but he had slowdown the ball. I believe in getting a pass interference on the play schulman touchdown. It should've been a walk in touchdown but iriarte with quarterback problems. <hes> jalen hurd was the star of the game. No doubt about it so we got two touchdowns. He won one. The first one was a little shanahan special. Play action crosses the middle of the field wide open and you kinda see just the dog in her her where you just refused to go down big strong good luck secondary is going to be bigger than the majority of people trying to tackle him when he's in space and that's what makes them so dangerous because he's just not going to go down on first contact. He ran through one tackle in dragged another guy into into the end zone the most impressive one was at fade he conquers that looked easy and he wasn't it wasn't really a contest. It was a good ball and he just went up and got it. He spun away from the defender protected. The balls is a really good play by heard makes it look routine and that's what i think was his <hes> was gonna see and the other good thing about the plays it heard made they both touchdowns came in the red zone. We we've talked about off offseason. How the forty niners really struggle to score in the red zone so saying those plays and seeing him fight on one play and then just making a as simple fade route look easy. That's good to see his other. Catch was a screen. It was towards the end of that. I believe is towards the in the second quarter it. It wasn't a meaningful plato but you still you saw that that bite in heard just trying to refusing to go down on so that was good. Obviously mitch wish now ski. They'll punter pat holloway's favorite player on the roster he i mean there's what what does that say about him. He's a he's. He did his job he. I think at one point in the third quarter he was averaging five kicks in the average for nine yards a kick off forgot what he finished up but <hes> yeah look good. He's he's doing his job. One yet sixty sixty four yarder that i'm sure he would have loved if it was a forty four yard because it just just hit me <hes> just hit the the atta balanced line in the end zone there but that was a game for him. It was a good game for honestly all the reasons. We can't talk about rookies without getting too greenlaw who man he looked he just looked fast and when i was watching the forty niners last year just catching up on all the game to try to get a feel for the team one of the things i've noticed the speed was lacking and i feel like that causing causing them to not be able to make plays in space in that a lot offenses tab place so greenlaw finished with six tackles one was yet the highlight play that he just kind of sniffed out and he essentially he almost met the the ball carrier in the backfield as he was receiving the pitch. It was really nice. Play don't just beat the linemen to the spot of things tackle of loss of four in the backfield. The other play that i was really impressed with was when near the goal line douse was driving and greenlaw drop zone in doesn't fall for like doesn't fall for the underneath it's debt and then closes but closes in a hurry closes light dallas's linebackers l._v. john smith would it was a really really really nice play. I think it was a gain of one or two but that was not on the roster last year. I think that's a man just just watching him. It is going to be very difficult to keep him on the field. I can't imagine a situation if the forty niners spread it out where greenlaw is not one of the better player better options nations to be on the phone. He's gonna have some rough rough place. He's going to have some some hiccups some brain parts and he had one and ironically enough it was was a play that he sees every day in practice where it's just a play action and the tight end comes from the other side. He fell for it and he just he. We let the tight end or their secret behind in and may honestly like i all i did during the the last week. Training camp was just watch the defense defense watch kind of their preparation and they have a specific period where they practice routes on air against you know just like scout team players they run that played it multiple times and sure enough that got him but i mean if if we're gonna nit picking and said he had a bad game because he he a rookie messed up in his first game in one play it's. It's not how it works so yeah. I thought honestly mostly ricky's played well. Even z's that undrafted <unk> linebackers gonna have a chance now. He's flying around yet. You had a big hit where he snicked data screen as well so i'm not play well. I think that there are going into mum. Jalen hurd in deebo. Samuel are going to put the pressure on these other receivers to step up in the conference. Call on sunday kashan in hand said that the receivers are evenly matched. He wants to see somebody. Separate wants to see somebody know kind of make a name for themselves and that just hasn't happened yet. It's been a rollercoaster. I guess is the best way to put it the first week of campbell's the richie game show last week. He was just like he was a wall. He didn't do anything anything shanahan. I don't know if there's a relationship kendrick born but he loves that dude and born did not have a good game. There's no no real other way to put it yet. He had a bad drop on one of those throws where moans got hit like you stood in their hit. It took a hit hit hit bourne in stride and didn't matter <hes> born just dropped it. I dunno jitters or whatever it was first game but he just didn't seem i guess the best way to put it as he didn't seem like he is focused and ready to play <hes> yet another row aware the receiver or the cornerback houses cornerback discount ranch drive for stride with him and broke up and like a deep outright. I believe yeah just born born will bounce back i imagine but he doesn't really have a choice and i feel like every time that shanahan shanahan's mentions the wide receiver group on somebody. Stepping up is not talking about richie james. He's not talking about kendrick born. He's talking about jordan mathews or the rookies. He's talking about dante pettis and daring camp these these last r._n._c.'s last couple weeks. Something is something different with pettus and i do not mean that good way. There's been sort of like a running joke with just some of the fbi writers. We've been talking that it's it seems like whenever somebody gets a hand on pets. He's going to drop a ball which which isn't true. He's made plenty of contested place. He's made plenty of plays in general. I think he's going to be very good. I think he's going to have a good season but he's in a funk. I dunno. I don't know timothy jackson through playing at his new way. I don't know what what is up but it just it just doesn't seem like dante pettis we saw when he was on the field and regular season last year and when he was in college i mean he's still very very young but that seemed like it was either hit or miss miss. It was an all or nothing with the receivers because james who had a rough drop to start. I thought he bounced back well. He made the most of all these other opportunities. He caught all other six passes. I think it was it wasn't for too many yards but i mean he just he caught the ball and that's what you need obviously as a wide receiver so yeah the receivers questionable outside of the rookies but it's i mean it's one game next week against denver. Paddock's could go for one hundred yards born could go for fifty. There could be big plays. Maybe that remember that long play towards endgame demarche on poindexter goes up and i feel i if he's going to make this roster be stachel on the practice squad or just have a chance in the league at his at his size owes of the plays that he is going to have to make so we'll see and like i mentioned all these guys could bounce back and we could be on back on the pakistan wagon and back on all these guys hyphen them up again so yeah office wise. I thought you know i mean what was an eighteen penalties. These guys were the refs will get to the rats later but they were just not very good defensively upfront. I was actually pretty impressed. I thought the defensive line played really well. They got a good amount of pressure. I don't think you you can talk about the defensive line without talking about the mantra moore who was signed from after starring the a. f. was cut and was signed again. He was everywhere on. If you remember early in the game i think it was like third. Fourth play where mega mosey was five for that pass interference a much more actually beat his man and hit the quarterback on that plane that was like whoa he looks legit and that wasn't the only place he finished the game with three quarterback hits. I believe he had i think had him for six total. Quote unquote pressures. He also had re stops which is essentially a loss for the offense when i and you'll hear me mention stops all the time because i mean tackles tackles tackles. Don't mean much if you have fifteen tackles in a game but eleven of them were seven yards down the field. You do not make an impact so yes stops stops. Mattering in democracy more did just that but it wasn't just more the wherever they just signed just feel like it was friday or saturday. There's been so how many moves it. They're all running together but jeremiah elijah he had two sacks. That was nice <hes> they were getting pressure. I mean roberson was dialing up the ladder. The further the game went along. It was disliked. He was solid whatever i'm just gonna. I'm just going to send the house in may dallas alice mucus deep and it seemed like they could do that consistently in the preseason. Nobody's going to be able to consistently because it's all backups clangs so for nine years i think they have the team speed finally to be able to send in the house. Even though mitt speaking of moseley he actually had one where he got free run at the quarterback was not able to bring him down and i'm sure that he was kicking himself after that but i know antoine x._m. Had a big play at the end of the game where it was essentially the same blitz he got there and had a nice sack or reynolds was another linebacker <hes>. He didn't even play that much but he had that sack fumble. Will there were after him it was it was good to see so i would say a the defensive line was pretty good. I think we're all really interested to see what contained a street did he didn't he didn't have any like flash. Flash plays like fancy place but here's out there a lot and he was. He's a guy that has high energy and you know they're going to need that so they. I think the preseason for the forty niners this defense specifically is going to be find out who that who can read other rusher if democracy more is able to contribute honestly five or six plays a game where he just flashes in the backfield that will be more than enough assuming you have a healthy ford and nick both obviously <hes> so yeah. I'm going to see just how our next week goes as far as will more play with the starters is will contain retreat by <unk>. He looked fine will <hes> what anton x._m. Jump over uh agent colder marshall harris just in the citation. I and i know that x. Place recite the speaking of those who safeties it. We're gonna talk on losers. Quote unquote disguise at you know need to step up on the defensive side. I thought colbert and the harris did not play well. I know harris had a hit. A flash played near the line of scrimmage but there are there are plays where him and colbert. I think they're just like a step late and covered in and that's it's not it's nothing new. I just think that i don't know if they're not trusting what they see or are. What is it but they are. They seem like they're better suited near the lineup scrimmage which is great but this is a pass happy. Leading teams are going to pass what like would sixty seventy percent of time and they're going to be spread out so you if you can't cover. It's going to be tough free to see the field and i think with if in a price house like an overreaction but if colbert and harris can't do that what what is there. What is their value on the roster. Which is why like giving a guy like tomorrow's more as many reps as possible <hes> more. He has the upside and i've been talking. I've been hammering at home all off season because i really do think he is going to be very good. He and it might not be this year. You might have some rough spells and he's not going to look like he's not going to be entering this a year. Let's let's face it but he's gonna make <unk>. I think he's gonna make plenty of plays. Especially once the actual defense is out there and just once he starts to see hang once was he gets comfortable with route route concepts and whatnot but i don't know man he he just has there's so much athleticism and so much awareness already that it's hard to imagine him not being a good player so i think i believe he played all but seven of snaps and he came back in when coburg gotti jetted later later on the game and he added dumb penalty to more where he he pushed the guy bounce gave the offense free fifteen yards in he didn't know there's no reason to do that but i wanna see how how these younger guys are going to develop so that'll be that'll be something to watch but <hes> yet i i really was impressed by the line and i i want to see i'm not going to be at the joint practice but chan mentioned in that's going to be a lot more valuable than the preseason game in he you wouldn't even commit to how long or if the starter's will play next monday eh so join practice. You're going to say a lot. It'll be nice for them. I imagine in practice to get to four days of just getting getting a look at chris harris for example great great cornerback. She's gonna gets dante. Pettis joe staley and mike mcglinchey going up against von miller bradley chubb. They're going to be matchups all over the field where before nine hundred can really get better so that'll that'll be good. <hes> i want to go over some and these are going to be briefed by the way i'm not going to be around for too. Long hours going to hammer home about what we saw aw in the games and obviously <hes> did mention about the rest so twenty three total penalties. If that was a regular season game eh that would have the the yardage for hundreds of would have been a record about the previous penalty yardage was or the record was. I think it's two oh oh six or something like that. The forty niners had eighteen penalties for two hundred sixteen yards which okay some of those penalties were b. S. no doubt about the one on dante johnson who knows. I'm not a fan just like you not your wife ear. Still that said what did did he do wrong on that play. What does he spoke to do. On the first one one of the cowboys fans were was arguing with me on the moseley <unk> the moseley pass interference and i i am a db guy and i will always side with the defense of back the gallup michael gal the cowboys receiver put his arm out to like push him moseley goes to swipe his hand away push him off and his hand is they get caught in hand fighting battle he it's called for a flyer and i understand that he didn't re look back. It has defensive back. You're taught to not look back until you're in phase or even with the receiver. So why would he look back. All it's gonna do slowing down bad call <hes> there were there were a handful of bad 'cause where it honestly seemed like the rest. Trolling at one point eighteen to five is a crazy discrepancy by whatever it's preseason. I have a hard time believing leaving that it'll ever be that lopsided any game goodman's for the defense getting back to the game who quit the taos to four yards four for yards per play which is really really good dallas had under three hundred total yards. I am not a total yards guide all but i imagine that's probably one of their boesky monitor. That also big for the defense dallas made the red zone. Four times made to red zone. Four times did not score score a touchdown so that's a that's a big one for the point knives. I know it's the preseason back. Certain people are zeke is not playing their your best. Players aren't playing but i mean they had the majority of their first team offense out there within the forty niners had the other backups and they couldn't punch it in so that's a good assigned despite you know not having the <hes> the bow south four fred sherman all their best players out there <hes> if if we want to stop or just m._v._p. The game i feel like it has to be heard right. He had two touchdowns touchdowns matter obviously but as i mentioned red zone touchdowns that defensive m._v._p. Man i i. I won't say dre greenlaw. I do i i would give it to diamante more just because so he was playing essentially all <music> game he started and he was still out there. When gauss was you know driving towards the end of the game so he played like a full game and he's making plays in the first quarter and he was making plays in the fourth quarter one play towards the envy game where i believe a stop where he beat a block or beat a guy towards <hes> beat somebody pulling lineman or whatever was and he made a play in the backyard so that was good to see man so seventeen nine niners pull it out denver on deck and i. I really think that <hes> just there. There'll be some changes and callahan would completely commit to you know what those changes would be a we asked him on sunday is devoting a play more is jalen hurricane and play more. They're going to be mixed in jimmy garoppolo. He wouldn't say anything but the way that he made it sound because the plane was actually before turn. Taylor got hurt he was he was going to rest anyways because he wanted chance and he wanted to see these these guys play. He was gonna arrest goodwin and taylor so i wonder if that'll be a case again on monday next monday against the broncos but ah what's going on with jordan mathews and i try to ask that question today but i didn't get an answer. Matthew's only played like seven snaps. I believe it was so so either. There's nothing that they wanna see out of him or is he. The odd man out who knows <hes> matthews is usually good for one play in practice and he it's funny because he will let you know about that play like he. I remember he got a touchdown. I think it was thursday and he was just jawing all up and down the sideline and honestly nothing else but <hes> pretty serious. I am excited added to see the offensive line play at the start and i want to see how they look against numbers passer because denver is known for getting after the quarterback being aggressive progressive so hopefully we can see at least a few series of the forty niners starting offense against but that denver pass rush other than that man. We're gonna we're gonna. We're gonna find out who the forty nine hundred bringing in with the with the injuries were getting closer and closer. I believe to the other teams making cuts. <hes> hasn't been any to surprising cuts just yet but you know i imagine with that waiver wire the forty niners have that second way why they they are in a position to do some good players if somebody israeli so we'll see we'll get there but i think that's all for me today guy so nine hundred seventeen nine and we will be back next monday ticker hi automatically editor in chief of eater. I am daniel janine producer here at meter and we are here to tell you about our brand podcast digest every week on the show we dive into the weirdest funniest and most important stories in the world of food with the inside scoop from the biggest names in the industry an expert insights from the newsroom <hes>. It's a really fun time so i would say subscribe to eaters digests for free today on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

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Hour 2 - Amanda Balionis (07-17-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

48:31 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2 - Amanda Balionis (07-17-19)

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Media Days underway I guess and try this. Try this in your your local bar. <hes> in your hometown ask as people what conference they <hes> think clemson plays it now you know we've had these moments where and Paulie had this recently where people think Clemson's in the S._e._c. and then you know they're in the A._C._C.. They play S._E._C. Football but they play in the A._C._C.. No no no CLEMSON's in the S._C._C. NO CLEMSON's not they play like that. They're smart to stay in the A._C._C.. You can rough up the and then go into. They stole title game of the playoffs there and take your chances against an S._e._c. tea but but I think majority of people probably think that Clemson plays in the S._e._C. Eight seven seven three D._p.. Show email address ep Dan Patrick dot com or twitter handle DP show say Good Morning Door Radio and T._v.. Partners around the country I saw this note and it was cute. It was it was cute. Lincoln Riley Oklahoma head coach said that <hes> Jalen hurts who transferred from Alabama. He's got to earn this job starting quarterback. He's gotTa earn it. Okay uh-huh. I'm guessing that he's saying that so everybody on the team knows that everybody has to earn their spot. I know that they have some talented young quarterbacks. This kid Spencer Rattler is <hes> really good. I think they had a redshirt freshman. Mordechai who's very good considered very they're planning to Oklahoma. I'm assuming they're all really good but Jalen hurts come into town transferring. I'm guessing Jalen Hurd said to Lincoln Riley Hey hey I want to transfer to Oklahoma. What do you think come on in? You'll be my starter now. He can't say that he chose not to say that but I thought that it was maybe one of those situations where the coach was saying this for everybody other than Jalen hurts. You WanNa let the other quarterbacks. No Paulie has a bet with me for twenty dollars polly said by October Spencer Rattler is the the quarterback for Oklahoma sooner yeah. I think he'll be starting whether there's injury an injury or not yet. I think this is a move that Sabin has mastered that Dabo Sweeney had to deal with Kelly Bryant and <hes> who's Younger Guy Lawrence Yeah Trevor Lords. You can't alienate the younger guy you can alienate the older Guy Jalen hurts. He's a luxury Adam for al.. I don't think you have him go there and then he sits not sits but depending on the situation he's GonNa lean towards the kid. He can't let the he's got this kid. For three years. jalen hurts for five months and I just had the feeling that Kelly Bryant was playing some great football but when the sooners opportunity to play the younger guy he goes in and he stays it well unless one of these young quarterbacks gets into that infamous quarterback portal then you're stuck staying there. It's an you know that hurts his only get him. He's going to be a one and done and to the Alabama this with two and Jalen hurts they kept Jalen hurts around. They kind of kept the dangling the string that Oh you're gonNA have every chance to play because Nick Sabin needed to have him on the roster. Oh I know because you had to coming off an injury and that's where I said is nick. Sabin being honest with Jalen hurts because if two it was healthy too it was playing but he wanted the insurance policy because they were going to be playing for National Championship Championship. I understood it selfish reasons. I got it understood it Clemson. You know saying Dabo Sweeney Sane to Kelly Bryant look. I'm Lawrence is going to be my starting quarterback. He didn't say at least. I don't think he said hey you don't want at lunches. Stick around and insurance policy or you're going to get to play a little bit here. I think Kelly Brian said wait my plan. No okay. I'm Outta here. Whereas Jalen hurts you always thought okay tool may not be healthy willie? Stay healthy and I got a chance to play plus. jalen hurts is not the polished quarterback that some of these other quarterbacks are. He's experienced. He's a winner. He's a smart kid but I would think if you're looking at this and Jalen hurts. You were transferring because you thought you were going to be starting for Oklahoma. I think he'll be starting for Oklahoma in October. Yes mclovin. He's going to be Oklahoma quarterback Akkad. He's going to be in the heisman in New York because they all look at this coach. He's crazy well. Those are two different quarterbacks Baker Mayfield and cuyler Murray buzzer completely different weapons first of all Baker Mayfield is a better quarterback passer than Jalen hurts and cuyler Murray's better athlete than Jalen hurts. Hurts is a great runner though that what he probably run enough to get huge number yeah but cuyler Murray was also able to throw feeling hurts his okay. He's not that bad throwing Oh. I don't the fees that bad. I just don't know if he's in the category same company with those other quarterbacks and Lincoln Riley is a pass. I guy not to mention those defenses. They're going to see in the pig twelve either rattler. I'll take both of your bad say one. One of those two guys is in New York and in December wasn't wasn't Spencer Rattler wasn't he on the basketball team yeah with pace manion Jeff Son yes in Arizona and that was the back court because manion was one of the top recruit then go to Arizona. I watched his highlight reel. Both of these guys they're highlight reels and I went could God even for high school. Manion was unbelievable and I'm old enough to remember when his dad played Nico Manion yes and his mom I think's the former basketball player volleyball player European basketball player volleyball player got good hops really good player you know manion and then rattler rattler was great quarterback for <hes> he's been on the radar for quite some time yes mclovin but then you got guys like the I'm just saying this special rather is on that Q._B.. One show Peterberg that the guy just in fields was supposed to and he didn't ever a beat out Jake From and Georgia so that happens to and now he's at Ohio crew doesn't get the job so who knows yeah but these guys go into these situations and there's some like they recruit one great quarterback. You got three or four four three or four five star quarterback. You want to get them on your roster so you don't have to compete against him. It's like a blood diamond thing you know I I'll bet you anything as soon as we get to August. You're going to see a bunch of transfers. One of these young Oklahoma quarterbacks is going to bolt once. He realizes she's third-string well. When can you try when you get in that quarterback portal? I like February the portal then it sounds like something on stranger things like they would get in the quarterback portal or like knotsberry farm like like a ride the a quarterback portal but why do these quarterback go to this. Why are they all go to Clemson like they were like five five shot recruiter recruited adequate? Why do the quarterbacks not spread out in the first place make any sense? It's ego to like you think that you're the guy and you know. Everybody thought that Trevor Lawrence was the guy he was going to be the guy and then he comes in and he proves to be the guy and all of a sudden. You know there's I mean there's loyalty. I think Dabo Sweeney he did the right thing. I don't think nick save a necessarily did the right thing but he did the right thing for him and he is team. Maybe didn't do the right thing. Necessarily for jalen hurts yeah. I think a lot of these five star quarterback say you know what I'm confident that eventually I'll be the clemson Jason quarterback the Alabama quarterback the Oklahoma and it's a pipeline to the N._F._l.. If what am I gonna I could take a scouting. I could go to Illinois and be the starter two minutes but I'm not going nowhere. I'm not going to compete for any meaningful football games yeah but you know these guys WanNa go to these big programs and by all indications you know you may have the same teams in the final four this upcoming season you know Alabama Clemson Oklahoma. I'm guessing yes Ohio. State is so you know these guys WanNa go where they're gonNA play for championship and they all think that they're better than the other guy and it's not like go now. I'M NOT GONNA go to Oklahoma. I don't think I'm better than Jalen. Hurts did Spencer Rattler sign with Oklahoma. He might have signed during the year I think he signed and then he I remember the story that we talked about that. Rather will not transfer even though hurts is coming so he must have signed before hurts J._d.. In Tulsa joins US I J._D.. Dan Hey bud my my my tagger. My question is I'd like to hear you guys take on Jalen hurts going from Obama to oh you. They're totally different offenses. <hes> do you think Jalen and we'll be able to adjust to a big twelve offense. I mean it's GonNa be a you know. It's a it's a throwing offense. It's a it's a big yardage offense and it's not a big defense like what he's used to do. You think he'll be able to adjust to whoa you does this versus what he was doing Alabama well. We'll help this in this regard J._d.. He won't have to go against S._e._C. defenses so that'll that'll help out considerably there but if Lincoln Riley is who we think he is then he'll help Jalen hurts evolve into being a better thrower. Is he going to be what these other quarterbacks were. No I don't think so yes mclovin. There's a lot of pressure big twelve. Those core rates have to sprint down the field the hug the wide receiver who just ran by terrible the backfield. It's a lot of sprinting too the man you're right. That could be exhausting. I think he can adjust our poll question sponsored by man versus food on cooking channel the poll question is the one that came up with you want to do the Hillary. Okay all right right right. Paulie came up with this one. Who has the best bar story? It's like you sit down with this group in heaven right you you're going to be there. I got work at E._S._P._N.. I don't get to sit in the bar with these these guys but you're at a top shelf. Maybe make stuff you've done maybe high super bowl. That's Neil Armstrong walks. I man to walk on the Moon. Sir Edmund Hillary I man to summit Mount Everest and about the Wright brothers I guys to fly a plane lane anyone else at the table like accomplishment adventure. There's some physicality involved. The Jesse Owens nineteen thirty six Olympics in front of Hitler in front of Hitler. I'm good with that one okay but as far as like a risky briskly Sir Edmund Hillary I have no interest in listening to because the Sherpa is the guy who carried all the gear but Neil Armstrong was carried by the spaceship. We've his arms. I know but he's he's still got out of that and walked on the moon. Sir Edmund Hillary was still walking up that mountain the whole time. It's not like the mountain changed when he got right up to the top it was still amount but the Sherpa wasn't carrying Sir Edmund and I think it was carrying everything else he was just Edmund back then by the way but the any no Edie Edie Henry Hillary and then all of a sudden avid like for you to call me Sir Edmund Call Me Edmund Okay yes mclovin I gotta go and how Dr Jonas Salk who cured polio holy. Oh that's a pretty good. Hey what did you do. Maybe that day but nobody brings up polio anymore right these Jonas salk bill he he ruined his bar conversation right because he was so good in in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. I'm telling you when that was a big big deal. He didn't even get any money for that. I don't think you're writing and I've I've okay so I might be confusing him with somebody else but somebody invented some amazing form of Medicine Penicillin <hes> and never got paid for it. It's important to profit off of so they gave it away for Free Yeah Fritzy but there's a difference to integrate accomplishment or something that you know help save the world and a story that you tell it a bar why don't know Jonas GonNa talk about these slides and things looking at it sells might have his life wasn't endanger during the process about this Leonardo Da Vinci. Thank you say DiCaprio. That's a good story. I would take the Capri over Davinci. Oh God Davinci is the smartest man you ever walked the planet J._C.. Histories wouldn't be fun. Oh my God he'd be diagramming like you couldn't even say so smart. You wouldn't even understand talking about I know but I don't he would have that look like he's from Brooklyn. You know he'd have the long hair and the beard maybe hairs abun hookah shells yeah he was. He was designing the helicopter. I think in the fifteenth century believe believe it or not and over all of these guys every single one of them. That's still take bigshot Bob Robert Ory Robert Ory. He's got seven rings. He's got a big shot. He's drained eleven billion crazy certainly not the other guy not one of the guys to air trip. I can make that happen. I I can make when we go to Los Angeles. It's still take you could be the first guy to the top of Everest or you could be Robert Ory. I would take Robert Ory okay when we get to L._A.. L._A. Almond reach out and see if I can get Robert Ory to come and sit at a bar with us and then you could ask him all the questions you want so great. I Neil Armstrong to me out of that group. Absolutely neither my friend of mine just text me what about Ricco Geico casick from the car is telling the story how got pulling the poorest Govan's. It's up there yeah a lot of people climb Mount Everest hundred. I'm guessing <hes> how many have been on the moon say half a dozen thirteen thirteen Tina been on the moon five dudes at scored polling but how many people have seven rings in the N._B._A.. Not that many Neil Armstrong winds this one man how bad van Gogh and be like hey do what happened to your ear. That's great. That's where you go and goes here. Make sure you get on the other side because the year thing you know you're just talking and talking man. He doesn't even respond to me what yeah <music> favors about here. What is favourite response Einstein? He's he's they'll bob ward. He's getting you imagine story who's been better for humanity Albert Einstein Robber during okay all right you gotta point there but imagine you know in fifty years for now you get to heaven and Robert Ory is sitting around with Neil Armstrong Tong Davinci van Gogh Sir Edmund Hillary and then you're going who doesn't fit in here. They're all listening intently to Robert. No tell the story again so you set your feet wide open and you and then they kicked out to you and you hit it. Yeah yeah come on Albert. You're smart enough to understand this. It was it was basing to understand this. You know this theory of relativity. That's nothing compared to the triangle offense. Yes the way you know the guy who's a total poser doesn't need to be there Sir Isaac Newton discovering gravity who wouldn't figure that out eventually you play jump around you figure it out. He saw an apple. We all knew it yeah he didn't he puts his name on E.. Slaps his name on gravity. How about amount Beethoven Mozart Mozart seems like a good time Beethoven's little depressing yeah? I'm Mozart didn't he. Loses hearing or is that Beethovenian lost his here Beethoven okay. I just don't want him at the bar. All these guys are deaf. Mozart had that fun movie Amadeus a long time ago on the he looked like he had fun yeah he yeah good. He'd be fun. Thing Mozart would have some great stories I really do and there's a piano bar. He's taken off and then he start showing off again yeah yeah. I don't know I think Neil Armstrong when you when you get to the Bar Neil there and he's got a spacesuit on. It's over. Yes great here comes Neil. We're getting here though one small step for man the guy celebrated. The captain landed the plan on the Hudson. He's in the mix never buying beers again but I'd rather hear the Wright brothers that I would really the Wright. Brothers went up not knowing if they were coming down and you know they're going to argue the whole time of which one is like no that was my idea. I'm right. No No. I'm right. You're both right even more right rather <hes> the writer brother I like it. It's like property. Brothers could have the right brothers. They're telling you get the how big is the bar that we're going to by the way that communal tables you imagine if Neil Armstrong when he he's he's had like seven beers like and he had gone to the bathroom and then you realize he goes into space suit on advantage okay. Neil we get it okay okay. Do you have Tang on tap. Please you guys ready for Your U._S._O.. Or your British Open picks the open championship picture we have to decide the order based off of results of the last draft okay are are we having help on this for we are Manda Valley. Onus is going to be joining US probably in the next on loan from C._B._S. and Calloway Yup five six minutes or so away from the draft I she take Mark Leash Mun like she has in every draft so far gotta check and see if mark leashes playing in the open champion fifty to one fifty two cubic offer barn Radha thicker in the last man. I'm impressed that you remember now to pronounce about that. Yes take a break. We'll get your phone calls now got guys the people are offering up there bars story guy and we'll get those phone calls coming up and are open championship picks. Also Mike Florio says a couple of things Ezekiel Elliott privately considering holding out the cowboys and also gronk forty percent percent chance he'll come back and play with the Patriots Twenty after the hour. 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I'm trying to find my darkhorse Darkhorse darkhorse and I don't know if his I got to find his name for so Paulie. Would you give the draft order here. Yes it's reverse order of the last major so seton will lead off Amanda Next Todd Fritz you Dan Patrick Glove and then me with back to back. I won last year we did money or we didn't do money yeah. Dan stated take twenty-five. We're doing money again right then. That's the key to the whole money okay then I'll change a draft order and it's me and then mclovin okay all right. <hes> is a man to set to join us there fritzy Amanda Bali Teen Calloway C._B._S.. A Sports Golf reporter and she's failed horribly in this the last couple of times here. Haven't you know I'm pretty sure I pick the winner. No no you didn't know you pick more gleasman every single time and and you know what all right so what's the draft order here Paulie okay seeding. Amanda Todd Dan me mclovin okay all right so fire way Seton O'connor well the last time I said he wasn't GonNa Finish even in the top ten and I've been horribly wrong so far about Brooks kept going to take him right off. Oh wow that's a soccer. Okay getting finally getting respect demand deserve that I liked that franchise Francesco them all in our first. He's GonNa depend his title friend Jazz Gaumont Onny okay all right who's next I am going to go with Mr Rory mcilroy to make a lot of pressure their lawn of pressure by the way Amanda Tiger Woods said he reached out to Brooks Kapka about playing a practice round and Brooks did not get back to him. He says you know for whatever reason well I think we figured out the reason is because Tiger Tiger didn't wanNA play with CASCA. He wanted to ricky Elliott kept his caddy's brain. Elliott has played the Gulf shores over a thousand times in his estimation so I think Kepco kind of treating ricky as secret weapon this week so I think he's go thing everybody I hi like that. I like okay. WHO's next I am so let's see I've seen todd and it's me <hes> uh I'm GonNa go Zander Schlafly Yeah? He's he's. He's do he's going to win and he's GonNa win me a major all right <hes> Paulie your next Tiger Woods Eh <hes> mclovin back to back Jack Okay. I'M GONNA go Jordan spieth and Dustin Johnson right. It's Nice Nice Little Combo Platter There Polyester Thomas fleetwood. Oh that's fair way. Jesus is not caught on according to Amanda so it's just Tommy fleetwood. I like Tommy fleetwood. Do I do Jon Rahm Allama ding-dong or or Justin rose. I got to surprised picks but I'M GONNA maybe John <hes> I'm going Jon Rahm begrudgingly. He'll be combustible trustable on Sunday <hes>. Let's see toddler. I'm going to go ready. Foul like ricky found all right Amanda. I am going to go you know it. Let's full the charter. We all know what's going to happen. My Dan Mark Tradition unlike yes Seton O'Connor back to back back to back. I'M GONNA give Henrik Stenson Henry von Stents and I like that pick a lot and I'm GONNA go man. Justin Justin Rosta on the Board Justin rose is still in the board is Adam Scottsdale on the board Adam Scottsdale Adam Scott Adams Scott a man who's looks better than his swing thing in his swing is beautiful. Okay Amanda you're next. I'm GONNA go <hes>. She Stole Mine Legal Patrick Canley Okay Asher canton right and then toddler. I'm going to go with the Justin rose since he's still up there. Justin Rose Nice little pick. I'm going off the board here. I'm going Matt Hat Wallis <unk>. He's a professional Golfer yes. He is not just like a fan. Who's won a contest? I'm going Matt Wallis. He golfs reliving. He's fifty fifty to one your next poll arm. It shocked name yeah about to go Jimmy Lipper on you Justin Thomas Please Okay Oren Okay back-back mclovin. I don't think this guy's going pick Kuch right. no-one no-one picked Kuch. They know they did not okay. I'M GONNA go with my Darkhorse Shane Lowry Day and by the way I have no idea she lowry as you can walk it right now but someone told me he was good. I think he wants led a major after fifty four holes. That's all I know Paul you're next. What would you say Amanda? He's W._C.. Champion he knows how to win. On a big state policeman Brayson de Shambo still available he is he's in and Matt Wallace has gone right. He's not avail anymore. Mad Jackie's on my big born at Wallis crap if Matt Wallis shows up on the the first page of the final leaderboard Paulie you have to do shower ship. I'll go with Louis Saizen. Oh Louie. Jason might have the prettiest swing on tour now. It's me I'M GONNA go Matthew Fitzpatrick tanking are you going to affect on. I'm drinking okay yeah. I've got some. I got four Denison to me already toddler. I'm going with the Skinny Guinea fasting lefty Phil Mickelson trump's impounds some l._B.'s there and Dont Amanda Kevin Kisner Tall striker. Yeah I Kevin Kisner Seton it's up to you wearing is home okay well. I used to take this guy all the time and he never did anything for me but eventually one day it's going to happen for Thomas. Peter's Tomas Peter's okay and that's it. There's a few big names that are still left on the board there. The kind of Golfer who has to win here is what amend or who. I think this is were already for this week because because we've been seeing like 20-under-par win the bombers taking advantage. This is not a bomber course so it's going to be accuracy way over length. <hes> Darren Clarke talks about it earlier in the week that you can miss the fairway by a couple of feet anything anything past that you're pretty much dad in the water so I think he got to look for a guy that isn't necessarily long teams and straight scrambling is GonNa be key and obviously the products always a big deal but <hes> yeah that's the kind of guy you're not going to overpower this golf course by any means. Should we take notice of of what Brooks Kepco said that he doesn't practice in the other tournaments is he kidding or is brooks just being honest and I think he's being on to have you have awesome love that he gets up for what's important for him <hes> and he executes beautifully when when he's a hundred percent committed you know but I think <hes> I think we all kind of feel that way once in a while in our jobs right he just needs this happens to say it and be honest about it on takes pages which you know take it or leave at but Brooks Cup guy is nothing if not I think himself every time he every time he speaks yeah I think so to Hey Amanda safe travels great to talk to you again. Thank you guys. Samanta Bali onus his team Calloway and C._B._S.. Sports Golf Reporter. Can I do a bonus pick. I mean I took a couple of longshots here. We'll give you look. I'm on Medication Paul. You're throwing that. I am on on Chemo. You can have a bonus pick as long as they're sixty to one or worse. I'm GonNa give you a guy my bonus pick. I don't know if he's anywhere near three hundred to one okay Thorbjorn Olsen Olsen Yeah Thorbjorn Eric van ruin from South Africa. How about that just a bonus pig currently a professional golfer he he is along with Matt Wallis and Matthew Fitzpatrick? I'm going to have to keep my my sheet here because I'm not going to remember guy. He has a career victories none internationally none in a P._G._A.. Tour none anywhere okay. He's got one top ten finishing his career. He's do he's do Jon. RAHM ZANDER's awfully Matt Wallace do think Matt Wallace's families. He's picking Matt Wallis. I think Rasheed Wallace has and Ryan Fitzpatrick than that Patrick Fits Ryan and Matthew Fitzpatrick and Eric Van Ruin Irish in with these comb course guys that I was I was going to take Graham McDowell because that's a local and he's he's one U._S.. Open yes Paul met Wallace's pretty decent golfer. He's got four national victories. He's British. He's from hogging than England just throwing it out there. Maybe your throat right back at me but that I love your strategy because Fitzpatrick's from Sheffield England so it's the style you're going with by what you have not. You haven't played portrush. I have not but but when you play these courses there. This isn't lush grass. There's landing areas. There's so much more strategy to it in. Amanda alluded to this. It's not for the bombers. That's why I'M I. I didn't think Brooks Capco was going to be the guy to be. I thought it was going to be somebody who could navigate a little bit more not that he can't but you know he bombs it. Sometimes you can hit it so far on these courses that you actually do a disservice to yourself with your neck shot. Yes paulie last year Carnoustie open championship which have Francesco Mar Vista. He was first Justin Rose Anderson Awfully Kisner mcelroy than Eddie Pepperell was six tiger was tied for six Eddie Pepperell was going to be the other guy my bonus picky but you said I had to take somebody who was is higher than what one hundred one or something. You could've snag them seventy five to one I know but that was going to be my bonus book was Eddie Pepperell but then you change it and you said you had to go a little bit longer. All Yeah April yes well. Let's just take him anyway. Eddie pepple not throwing a little pepper load on the team Okay Dad. I feel like Jon Rahm like we're always excited about Jon. Rahm Jon Rahm never scores in these drafts Jon Rahm zone worst enemy is he unbelievably talented yeah yes. He's crazy talented because I'm reading. All these articles say watch out for this year John. There's I know yeah point your boy Edgar Van Ruin or whatever he has he was yeah this ruined time for seventeenth teeth last year. Okay Yeah you put that back in your mind so when Matt Wallis ends up on the leaderboard first page somebody's dropping their pants. Yeah Paulie has to run around the man cave with his pants off all in favor say I the world in favor of that just said now wait. You took your pants off when the cubs won the world series. I all everything. Everything they I know Matt Wall. No that fritzy counted the pixels. They're like you. fritzy goes into the pixellated out you know and then he goes he started counting owning. I'm curious. Here had the most pixels very telling I we'll take a break phone calls coming up right after this Dan Patrick Show we hear it podcast one say thank you for listening to this show. We would also like to ask a small fever of you. It only take a few minutes and if you're one of the first people who does it. We'll give you a little something in return. We want you to complete a short survey. We need the information you give us to help. Make things better every day. 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That's about fifty percent of the guys where sunglasses men and women yeah but maybe somebody who plays poker could tell me then what is the tell that I'm looking for if I can't see your is what what am I looking for now. There's a way to you bet I'm guessing that's tell that's exactly right the the the trends of when you fold compared to what cards are on the table. You have to learn the person you're playing against over the course of a long session at table according to report. I don't have that much. I don't much time or that key ability to concentrate you think you guys could get good at poker. If you had all data work at no no I I have no interest in it none but that is one of those skills right like poker's something you can learn and you can get good at a controlled learning environment or something like that. I'm guessing I'm guessing you can but I I like watching. I I've watched some pretty famous people play poker and blackjack and I'm fascinated but I you have no interest in doing it seems like there's a certain ability to read other people and read the cards that are coming down quickly and save that information that you either have or you. Don't you can develop it. You could make it better. I've a buddy who's really good at poker. He plays in he wins ends and he says if the guy playing against is looking at his own cards. He's a he's a fish. He's because I look at my cards for half a second thing because all looking at you I like how we look at them and we think they're going to chain you. Go punkish Jacks and then all of a sudden. Somebody put a big bet and you go. Let me see if they're still there yep. They're still there. It's when somebody is bluffing you that I always find fascinating. Do you have to tell if you're bluffing. They don't see your cards when you fold like. I thought that you throw them in but let's say you I was blessing because I just say. Did you have it. You don't have to answer that and you ought to show. Does it help to just put that in. I don't the mind games here. That's how guys have cheated in the past the tape delay broadcast. You can have a spotter watch and see the cards at someone threw down that would be a way to cheat and it's been people have gotten caught doing that for a couple of phone calls Jason in Texas sexist joins US hi Jason when you have form today hey man you were discussing <hes> having famous people at the bar and you know let's talk about one really recent. Okay Anthony Bourdain most fascinating man I think in recent history my personal opinion he would be an interesting interesting guy to sit down with absolutely at good choice there. I don't know if they're bad choices except for Seton saying of all the people could sit down with he'd sit down with Robert Ory who's got better stories in basketball players. Maybe baseball players. Maybe I don't know if Robert Ory is going to have great stories of course he is. He's not known as Robert Story. It's Robert Ory if he was Robert Story than I go man that guy's got a million of them. So what are you going to be like. Hey Neil tell us about that time. You Walk Down the moon again. What's the second best story graduating college? Neil member that time you walked on the Moon Toss that story I WanNa know what was the other line. He was going to us. Who came up with that line? Did you say one in small step for a man or one small step for man. Do they godspeed to right. I think so I I think it was an astronaut who invented Godspeed where they they were just saying what they really obviously needed needed speed to get up into a really important thing in one of the question marks that they had and that he just sort of said unders breath God speed and then that turned into a whole saying Godspeed. I just made that but you know you're asking Neil Armstong to go you know how nervous were you. What was that like that I blast? What was it like when you hit the water? What were you thinking you? You had a six iron. He took a golf club out on the moon. I mean why a six Ir you wanted to be for one time exam the Best Golfer on this planet yeah he's got it buzz Aldrin's dunk yeah but he got bad yardage though is caddied game horrible yard to carry on the ball it kept going. It's like dude. You flew the green green by like a billion miles. I'd hate to see that Comeback Keith in Wyoming Hi Keith. What do you have for me down pretty time long time five seven one thirty five? I think we need a women's category. I try Amelia earhart you know I think that would be a good choice. We'd like to know what happened. I you know I sit down with Joan of ARC or Pam Anderson. The same thing not definitely Joan of arc was the Pam Anderson of the more complicated. How about eve? What do you think makes the rapper eve? No no no no Adam and eve. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I didn't realize you're such a big fan interesting eve six. Isn't that a band us of course yeah well. Would we want in there. <hes> Mary Magdalene she'd be good. How about like a <unk>? Get solve a mystery like a Lee Harvey Oswald who could do some like that. I don't know what he would that he would well no. We're GONNA Bourne. I get a couple of drinks then. He's going to tell me yeah. That's the thing we're at the board not jack rubies bar though no by the way you could also go horribly wrong sitting with a guy like that and having a couple of drinks and he's like hey I got an idea and by the way Oswald one of the worst wingmen of all time no ladies are coming over your amount Lincoln and now you guys would probably okay here comes four score okay drinker. Oh He never lies honest Abe the union about that good evening to get him drunk because he never okay okay here. We go your George Washington. Oh here we cross the okay Okay Trenton Hamilton of course it's your favorite play ever Hamilton musical rip Hamilton Yeah Rip Hambleton Gore's that's that's. That's what God i read them. Today are with the muck and Mahan but that's what Hamilton bound it's about Rep. Hamilton and people don't know that are wearing those face mets broke their their nose. 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Did the Dolphins find their version of Brett Favre?

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

44:24 min | 1 year ago

Did the Dolphins find their version of Brett Favre?

"And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's going on everybody? Here. We are now one week post draft officially on this Thursday. And we're almost done with half of the draft is to move the six podcast right Lewis in for DJ with my man Bucky Brooks ready to rock and roll here today still looking back at the draft though, Buckingham kind of excited. I know it probably a little extra work for you like going going. You know, we did our favorite players by round go. Yeah. Now that we've got the actual results. Let's go favorite picks by Ron will do that. And then kind of take a look at best offensive and defensive drafts too. Yeah. Is gonna be I think the big thing obviously doing Patas draft with you the run up to the draft so many conversations that we have about all these different players. And then you back in you go to draft day and draft weekend. And you realize how many plays you didn't talk about how many players. You didn't have a chance to talk about just because of the show dynamics of whatever you just don't get all the names in. And then there's a big names down there too. You know, what I mean, some big big names player we didn't. So we can try and touch all those guys that she'd have got a little Sean running up to the draft. But now they've been picked and Landon routines. We can talk about them for sure of speaking of shine. Guess I wanna start this episode though by talking about the shine wearing off of Josh Rosen and Arizona, and maybe left a little shiner based on the way they him leaving. Now, he is often Miami. And I wanna start this because you had an interesting take on this on the Colin coward show this week. So we're you said the dolphins might have found their version of Brett farve too. The Packers me the rationale here. Okay. So here's the rationale in early nineties ninety two right before I got I got to the Packers ninety five the Green Bay Packers where he. Were able to pull off a deal with the Atlanta Falcons for Brett Farr breath. Or if you've been a second round pick for the falcons for whatever reason his first year in Atlanta didn't go according to plan. He was available. Ron woolfe had always had his breath for thought he was one of the top players Cantu, kicked himself for not being able to make the move to get him. And so he traded form he brings him in. And he put them behind the magic man dommage. Cow. Ski was starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers breath forward to come in and come to learn and whenever he got his opportunity maybe he would be the starting quarterback. And so when I look at how breath are kind of worked his way to kind of pick himself up by the bootstraps finally was able to display the talent that a lot of people are seeing him under control grin. You saw a guy in evolve into a three-time MVP quarterback. God that was a Super Bowl winner. One of the best quarterbacks and football. And Josh Rosen. I think it goes without question that he is wanting more talented throwers that we've seen in the draft class last year. I think you could say he might have been the purest passer when it comes to being able to throw from the pocket and use all areas of the feel and those things the issue that is always around Josh two issues one durability because he was banged up and beat up most of his time at UCLA. And then the second was kind of Senate around his personality is he aloof how does he fit in a blend in with the locker room, what would his interactions be with coaches? And so because of that like this kind of been this weird thing that has surrounded him when it comes to evaluation like people aren't as high on Rosen as most people would when you just kind of looked at the tape. And so I believe he gets. Opportunity to do a career reset and go into Miami. I believe he jumps into a system that kind of plays to the strength of who he is person. And is a player meaning is a high Q system as one that you know, he play because around him he can get the ball out. He can do things. The office of line is improved from what he played behind. Great. But it's it's. Stat hurt to stand on TV last year. He was sex seventeen times on passes. There were two point five seconds or less in terms of release time. Insane. Unrolling rush rush free rushing lights like people not getting there. So he goes, and I think the coaching staff that will have the opportunity to work with him will fit. How he is. Jim call will be in the quarterback coach Chad O'Shea being the offensive coordinator coming from this system in New England, very cerebral system. A lot on the intelligence in the processing of the quarter of absolute Bryant flory's also coming from New England, and understanding that I just believe this will be a nice fit for him, and he'll have opportunity to show people. And if it hits like we think it may hit if he plays. Well, the grim the Miami Dolphins will have found a version of a starting quarterback for the next three years. They have on the cheap while they're able to build up the rest of their roster must like Green Bay was able to do in the mid nineties where they got Brett farve. And then after that they're able to put the pieces in place around him. I think in Miami. They may have an opportunity to do the same. By the way, just to finish up as you introduce the magic man to us. They're done dumb account. He's in for forty three hundred yards in one thousand nine hundred nine that's that was virtually unheard of back then also through twenty interceptions. Twenty seven touchdown twenty forty three hundred yards. There's a lot. He never threw for more than two thousand and his career after that the magic. Mobile. Oh, they still talk about talk about them. Updating. For them that weekend. When I was there last it was a pro bowler. Okay. I think that's a a Pro Bowl and he ninety two three hundred yards. He led the league in passing. Yeah. Prob- eighty nine. They went ten and six year. Okay. I think that's a great take on on Rosen. And in a roundabout way, I'm going to get to Rosen again here because some round me up on Twitter during the draft on Friday and get riled up easy. In fact, I'm probably I was telling kit this before you walked in. I'm probably the last person to engage in argument on to-, you give them a Twitter argument, but not not really a little bit. I just I got angered and my man Darren reveal. Sports is is sports action networks something like that. And so he puts out some good content sums content that I enjoy. And I and I usually appreciate it. This will be the wrong way tweeted on night two. Can't remember a draft in recent history. That was this boring. Little intrigue not that many college stars to wait for. And I was like man you're trying to ruin Christmas for me. Right. Don't do that. And so I had to quote tweet, and I had to just politely say could not disagree more. He then fired back and was like really share. What's been exciting tonight? And I was like, okay. I'm not going to do. I'm not I'm not I'm going to do it. I'm gonna do it. And so I was like, okay. I'm just going to do this one thing. And I'm a let it be. I'm not going to get in a prolonged battle here. So I said, okay Darren there is a trade scenario working itself out in real time up and down the draft board as we're going through round two. Hear that involves a player taking number ten overall. Just last year. This never happens. It is unprecedented. I mean, we're talking about the dolphins who emerged as the major sooner for Rosen had the forty eighth overall pick. It's the forty seventh pick in there's no trade yet. And then there's a trade, but it's the dolphins moving down to sixty two. So you're like, okay, they're buying themselves. A little more time to try to figure this thing out with Steve time. And and then eventually we get to sixty two and we learned that that is the trae pick. Right. And I'm like did that was exciting. That was really exciting. I mean, we're talking about a potential franchise quarterback traded. But we weren't sure they were actual deadlines in place here like because what if the dolphins made the picket forty-eight dinner, they interested are the cardinals interested in trading for third round pick. Is it over is Rosen going to stay now with Cuyler Murray, which is intriguing in and of itself. And so I left that there was like that's one piece of entry. I'm not even going to mention the fact that decay Metcalf. The darling. Of the Predrag runup fell out of the first round almost fell out of the second round Hussein your tackle was available in the second round. Who was going to be the next running back off the board, and drew where's drew lock to go who's going to be that fifth quarterback. I'm like guy there is intrigue all over the place here in round two. Just bothered me a little bit. But the Rosen thing was was the biggest for me Farda like there. Because I think and I think what is annoying for those of us that are like thousand people came to Nashville draft for the million watch for those this intimately involved in the drought. Not only that it outright s- NBA playoff game. Like the MBA is in the midst of their playoff tournament. And people are more intrigued to see names come off the draft board into watch be role in highlights. Like, that's basically what it is. And so for us, I think is is a little difficult when the casual fly by night fans kinda come in and come out and say, oh, there's no starpower when in essence what you're doing you. Watching a bunch of kids realize dreams is the culmination of a lot of our work for a lot of people their families and all that. And so what should be coronation, which should be a celebration a lot of criticism going on? And that is why and I'll say this going in. I feel bad about what happened after dinner Jones. Nhs was selected six overall by the New York Giants because regardless of how we felt or how people believe the Josh should have proceeded a whatever that was guys night. That was his special moment. The fact that he's had to hear booze and catcalls and all that other stuff from people around before he even stepped onto the field before even puts on jersey or anything to me that's not unfair. And I know we live in it's on Twitter and Instagram and people just critique and say anything and everything, but what I hope is. I hope that he has an opportunity to come to shove it and people because the I think is a better player than people give him credit for every Gossett. Whether we think he's six best player. I understood the rationale behind the move and we'll see plays out because ultimately everyone is going to be judged on how they play him perform on the field. I just wish that people would have taken a little time to let him enjoy his moment. You know what? But that's why they drafted him. Because in his own way. He's just going to brush that shoulder off. Yeah. I mean like, I get it. Yeah. You want everyone to give you a standing over? You know when you're the pick. You're the guy you're the quarterback the future quarterback of the New York Giants. But you know, what I think he's totally okay. With all understand. And I think he look David get them and has come out and try to defend the pick. And I don't think you really have to ultimately he'll defend it, by the way to deploy as an a team that you build around him. However, he did talk about the position of playing quarterback for the New York. Giants is different than others. You have to have the right stuff the right makeup. You can't be caught up in some of the other stuff, and I do know from our interactions with him and his family, it appears that Daniel has the right stuff mentally to be able to endure and handle it. And we're just gonna see how it plays out when they finally put the team around him and give him the ball, and in that light talking about Daniel Jones moment, and it's the last thing get to before we get to our favorite picks by round here. I've got a little credit to our producer Ryan yacht yesterday on path to the draft because he was watching round two of the draft intrigue that surrounded it and one of the most emotional moments was when Reggie Cobb son DeMarcus got to announce the forty nine or second round pick after Reggie had passed just that week of rather, suddenly, and you know, and rightly so that moment was about was about Reggie and a little tribute to him from from Charles Davis. But also in in that way, deebo Samuel didn't get his moment on the draft broadcast, and he deserved it. He was a high second round pick the forty Niners a good pick pick. We all really liked. And so Ryan had the good idea to kind of re reenact that that moment for him on path of the graph yesterday. So if you if you haven't seen that go check it out shirts on NFL dot com right now. But I thought that was really cool also on the side note. What do you guys think about having like Pat McAfee show up and kind of give w e? Reggie Wayne calling out the Tennessee titans. Reggie gonna give their three times though. It got a little. I also didn't realize they've only beaten the colts three of the last twenty times until he said that I didn't know that was that bad. I knew it was something domination domination. Reggie Reggie definitely sparked it up. I think you kind of just adds a new addition to the drought you guys go up. I do like that. I'm glad we didn't get ten different fly eagles fly chance. Like we did that second year in Philadelphia. It was stuck out a little bit old. But yeah, that stuff is really cool. I agree with you there kin. Let's let's jump into it here. Let's go favorite picks by round. You wanna lead us off with your favourite first round pick here Bucky favors round pick for me. The Pittsburgh Steelers selecting Devon Bush. Not only because they aggressively made a move up the board, which is not their style. But they gotta play they fit what they need in terms of style of play in difference maker this Pittsburgh Steelers defense has not been the same since Ryan. She's us unfortunate injury. They needed a guy that was an energetic playmaker. In the middle of defense. They needed someone who had their lettuces and to make plays against a run. But also cover it could add a little different element as a Blitzer Devin Bush is all of that. And when I'll watch him play. He reminds me of a still me he's tough. He's hard knows. He's blue collar. He brings all of that toughness that you have to have to play for them. So to me, I thought it was a great fit. And also think it was another step in the right direction for Mike Tomlin trying to reestablish the culture in that locker room. I agree with you. I think that's awesome. And you know, if you if you've identified your guy, go get him, go get him 'cause you don't get to be there. Don't wait, wait. Okay. My favorite first round pick. And this may come as a bit of a surprise. Is Titus Howard to Houston Texans with the twenty third pick? And so this the rational behind this one is I think there's a perception that when the eagles traded up and got in front of the Texans to take Andre Dillard who fell a little bit. We thought he might grow in the first fit for sixteen. That there was panic in the Texans draft room that they were like, oh Dillard's gone. What are we going to do? My gosh. Let's Titus Howard. And if you go to the Texans Instagram right now, and you go back a couple of days, and you look at Brian gain in control of that war room at the time. That selection was going to be made. It was impressive. He is standing up, and they have a pretty big war room of a lot of people in. There are some teams that have a smaller room, and he stood up there and gave the pitch for Titus Howard to the organization. He was like we are building this franchise around to Shawn Watson, we are building blocks around him to protect him. That is what this is all about tightest Howard passed the test at every turn from combine to the senior bowl to thirty visit to the workout. He is going to be a building block for us to accentuate, Sean Watson's talent. And he said it so calmly and so matter of factly, and then handed the phone over to. To Bill O'Brien who then said, we're building bodyguards for Shawn Watson, you are one of the bodyguards like it. And I was like, you know, what this is a team that was not, you know, this was not their second choice, and then cow McNair, the owner got up and was like we were hoping you were gonna slide to us, and you can say whatever you want about whether that was actually the case. But I thought it was really cool the rationale for the pick the idea behind the pick and you can evaluate whether you thought they missed out on Dillard and had to settle and I think I think that's the thing. And here's the tricky part about draft analysis by draft analysis as some point it has to go away from what you personally think about a player to a how did a team and the draft board or what do they visit this player doing? And so so much of the immediate knee-jerk reaction was oh they missed out. Andrea dill, but we don't even know if valued Andrea Diller like correct that debt is a thing that we don't know on our side. We speculate how these guys may be ranked on the board. But unless you're in the room, you really don't know how teams value or covet those guys until that's maybe get a little insight those posts drought phone calls. So if they believed that Titus out was a first round pick. If they believe he's the right guy for them. We'll see. But as you talked about him making the pitch that is how it typically goes down. You make the pitch you stand on to tape for you guy. You let everyone know here's why he fits us. Here's how he's going to help us. Here's the planet. We envisioned for him years two three and four and how the team will collectively grow with him. And so wasn't defending the pick. He was saying this is how we're building this team. Right. And look it we've talked about the quarterback and how you have to like build your team around a quarterback. And makes you that the quarterback has the things that he needs to floors and to Shawn Watson can't take the beaten that it took last year with all the leakage into the pocket. They have to short it up and make sure that he is able to kind of throw from grassy knoll. And so to go and get Titus out and into go back in the second round and get max sharpening, and they'll like you have to double down and make sure that he is protected. He gets what he needs and they got some other players to to help them. And so it is about this. So look, I'm I'm with it. Like, that's that's big on brand gain to come to have it because there shouldn't be panic in the draft room, and we'll shouldn't should be like the chiefs and ninety four deciding whether you're gonna take Greg Hiller. Mario bates. No. So anyway, that's a whole nother story, but we'll we'll go faster there. But I just I wanted to make that clear because I thought it was really neat. And I'm glad to Texans shared that on social media to. Okay, I'm excited about your favorite second round pick around to Dallas Cowboys tristen hill defensive tackle from central Florida. I love this pick for variety of reasons. Rod Mary Nellie had struck up a relationship with Tristan hill struck overlay ship to the point that he had. Tristen hill sign a work ethic. Contrast before the draft saying that if he comes to the Dallas Cowboys that he's going to meet the standards of performance that is expected of a Dallas cowboy to effort to energy the toughness, all of those things. And so to me I was like man dad is terrific. But then when you go back, and you look at the tape, and you watch tristen hill, you talk about a guy who was arguably the most talented player on the team, but they didn't start him. He's a backup player for whatever reason. He Anna coaches to staff didn't job, but rod Marinelli who has a long track record of maximizing the performance of guys that he coaches guess effort guy loves effort got demands effort an engineer from his guys. I think this is the perfect fit and Tristan hill could be a star Fidel, Scott, I'm with you on that for sure and I'll go to the Broncos pick their first pick of the second round Dalton riser offensive linemen because I he might play everywhere on their offensive line. It's gonna tackle in him might start out at guard has played center they lost Matt Paradis. But we're talking about a guy who could very well be a Pro Bowl offense of Lyman for the Broncos in area where they have been in dire. Need the last? I don't know five years. What is it is definitely going to be an all pro in their community. And you've seen the feature on path to the draft and on our draft coverage. In fact, it resonated so much with people that crashed his foundation's website reisner up dot com during our pre-draft show on night one. Like, that's that's how much this guy resonates with people. And I guarantee you that community is going to wrap their arms around him. And that's going to be a really nice match there. I feel like for riser who grew up in Wiggins Colorado about sixty miles outside of Denver. I mean is great. Did you get a chance to play in front of you right in front of everything? And look the ever steady. Evers? Did he is done away from to feel our TV commended it'd be great to have a Broncos community kind of elevate. What he's been able to do off to feel. And I think he's going to be a pretty good player on the field. Now route three which you got for me is interesting because the Chicago Bears landed David Montgomery from Iowa State. And I absolutely love this picking maybe maybe my favorite pick of the draft. And it's because it's because it's defeat. It is the match between a hybrid running back a guy who is a terrific runningback being able to run inside and outside. He can catch the ball out the backfield. He's tough as nails and shows an impasse protection in an offense. They Matt Nagy has built that really can make running back star player. We saw what they offense didn't Kansas City when Kareem hunt was playing it. And you think about a guy like David Montgomery having the same opportunities. I mean, I think this guy can be a fantastic play. And that doesn't take anything away from Tariq Owen who I think would be a supplemental or company. Please. But I believe this guy. David Montgomery could be kind of like a David joss type player for him. David Johnson from getting to wait at he's able to kind of get down and do things as a run an receiver. I think it's going to be an awesome Tanta back there. And to be honest with you, I didn't have a first round pick. The second round pick, David Montgomery, sir. I pick and it came in round three L believable that he's there for them and they were in under the radar. Honorable mention if you will best offenses draft for me, which we're going to get to here shortly with their pick of David Montgomery, and then Riley Ridley the that. I mean, those two really good offense players that you get in the middle rounds. They're my favorite third round pick though. I mean, it's it's the most patriot pick ever for sure she's win of it from Michigan the edge rusher going to the patriots, by the way that you know, he's he's related to Dave damasec, his mom and damaged X mom or cousins check showed at the picture yesterday at his bar. Mitzvah Greenwich says mom checks for mitzvah. Yeah. Does win of it. You know that I think he said he reached out the him. But he hasn't heard back yet. So it's been mentioned to my. But I don't know if he quite knows the whole story. You know, who Dave damasec is. You'd have to ask chase win of it. So I'm not sure. Okay. All right. We'll find it that we'll find out. But I mean, the key is a more athletic Rodney vich, and we saw how productive Robin individuals for the patriots. I mean, they're going to be able to do whatever they want with him. And he's going to be totally okay with it. In fact, I think the very first his very first action as a patriot was to say, I gotta check with coach to see if I can answer this. I mean, he's already right falls right in line. That you have to come to operate with great pig. Great fit kind of reminds me of Nicorette. So I I believe it absolutely works. Okay. What you got in round for round four airs on a cardinals taken Hakim Butler. Why resilient from Iowa State? We talked about it on path the other day. I believe that the cardinals have really kind of created a basketball team around calamari a mix us some guys that can fly down to wing some big guys that can post up and Hakim bull is the guy that is opposed to player that should be dominant player down in the red zone. His size his length is leaving ability. The fact that he also has enough speed to take the top off average twenty two yards per catch. His final season, I stayed. I just think this is a nice fit for them and for him to have an opportunity to learn behind layer FitzGerald, how to be a pro how to run rouse this should benefit him where I think he has an opportunity to being really really good player. I like this pick more than I like the Denney Isabella pick second round for the cardinals at wideout. I, you know, knowing they've already got Christian Kirk there. I I liked that. Now, you've got a guy in the outside here in Keene Butler that kind of gives you another one of those roles. So definitely like that pick picking the cardinals. I mean, you know, where I was going with my favorite pick. Mom, man. Wes, Martin ofensive linemen Indiana now going to go protect Wayne Haskins for the next ten years. I mean, come on a Guinea better not talking about a guy with almost forty bench reps. He will not get overpowered the interior. I'll just I'll just like one day I show up at work and there's a package for you right now. And I could only wish that is to candy. Candy striper candy-stripe fool, Indiana warm-up, did you can just walk around like pretending to be Bobby. Knight raised it a play there because you are at the heart believe it man, you better leaving. But in all honesty, I mean, we're talking about matchups rookie and rookie. I mean, west Martin and Dexter Lawrence going head to head here. Twice a year over the Redskins in the giants. Dumb excited. I'm excited for west. He's a good guy. He's a good player. Kind of like, Dan Feeney was definitely can get it done in the interior for the Redskins. So moving onto round five this. This was a bit of a shocker bidding. Bit of a shocker bit Biggs of rise. Cleveland Browns grabbing MAC Wilson linebacker from Alabama in the fifth round fifth row to throw MAC Watson guy that we had mocked initially a first round pick. And a lot of times we kind of settled day to Abia a second or third round pick the fact that he goes in the fifth round as surprising based on the way to do played at Alabama. We thought he could be a guy that would be a really really solid player in pass coverage thought he has some intriguing skills in terms of being able to run and chase. There was some Scotto Buddhism conversation about his fit, and maybe maturity those things. But he was too good of a player in my estimation. To to to make it to the fifth round Cleveland school, some up Cleveland, John Dorsey and Alonzo Highsmith and Elliott Wolff. Those guys value productive players out think devalue that Mak Wilson brings as a productive player that also has some versatility and some leadership skills and some awareness and instincts. He's going to have a chance to believe. But in the year, maybe kind of crack and sneak into the starting lineup. Look I again, I absolutely stunned that he lasted fifth round. What how about eighteen picks later? Final pick of the fifth round. A man coal Holcomb a tarheel from UNC come on going to the rise. I know. I'll try not to be a Homer because the risk is had two of my guys. They took Bryce love into fourth. Yeah. Yeah. Holcomb into fifth. And so what I decided I was going to excuse myself. I was going back up out of the Redskins and cloak, and I was gonna let go so that's why I didn't Bacall Hoke and going from Carolina into fifth round. Give you a bonus on now. Winter he goes agent it. Yeah. She kind of text me and told me that aid is a lot of buzz around. And we saw him at EastWest Ryan game. He played really. Well, did he tested they realize a high level? Okay. And so that's coming. That's cool and believe rich Eisen signed off our draft coverage by asking raise your hand. If you're on the monitor had a player picked in the draft DJ, if you're listening at home Bucky, and I are raising her hand. Oh, yeah. Has a high yours are not your hands are not raised. No. I'm surprised. Jalen more better drafted it. Next year. Maybe they can find. Let's move into around six who you got Tennessee titans. Oh, wait. I didn't get my round five. Oh. Get my body. I like this pick here money or a warrior from Penn State who kind of got the low down from from his head coach James Franklin when he's down at the senior bowl. And yeah, he gave him a ringing endorsement as you would expect from his head coach. But this is an interesting player for the lions I feel like this long big corner. Six almost six two or actually just over six hundred a half two hundred five pounds. Rainfall four seven at the combine nice move and chosen ball skills. Watching him. I'll tell he's pretty solid. He reminded me a lot of Richard Sherman. Yeah. In terms of his ability to to kind of saw shuffling play some zone coverage being able to play man he had that game clinching interception against deejays al-matar early in the year. And so good player. There you give them around five and especially in Detroit where they're trying to make over they mentality. When it comes to the toughness a good fit for him. So maybe you know, if you go back to patriots lower from talking about patriots in the mid west hair, Matt Patricia like to Leib ish in some qualities with with some physicality and some size there at corner put him out opposite dairy sleigh. It'll be an interesting pick there for the lines. I also liked them getting Austin Bryant, by the way in the round before that. On a good player. Underrated donate Clemson deal on really solid player. Move around six. David long. Yes. Tennessee titans. David long big two of defense plea to year linebacker from West Virginia. Another great pick because Mike is trying to do. He's trying to get enough players that can play on the edge. You can give him some pass rush ability to give them some blitz ability. David long can do those things I like his f- lettuces him his versatility kinda surprised that he made it all the way down here to the six round. But for the titans. Great pig. Great fit. I love that as well. I thought the titans made some some really good picks starting with Jeffrey Simmons number one overall for them. And then I also like the money Hooker in the fourth round, Wisconsin. What does it say about the big twelve though that they're big twelve different players? Six. It's not a good thing when they have balls flying all over the yard. But at some point they stopped somebody. And maybe it just we didn't look at we go back and look at the raiders picks. Here. Do you remember in the booth of the senior bowl two years ago may ox up there, and they bring Mason Rudolph in and may I ask is just crushing Mason Rudolph because of the big twelve defenses that he played against like he had any control. It's not his and I'm like, Mike, take it easy. Did Mike pick any big twelve defensive players. That's what I that's all. I want to know. Here we go. Max Crosby Johnson. I Quin Bill bell no writing. Nope. No, no, big twelve. So it didn't expand any. Makes sense my favorite sixth round pick. I got to meet him down at the manning passing academy trace McSorley out of Penn State to the ravens their last pick of the draft. They didn't have a seventh rounder. This was phenomenal. I I don't know where he's gonna play or how he's gonna play. But they're going to figure it out. I think so, you know, for me I love to pick a love what he does. I think it just as to this full commitment that they have to the read option game does go into with Lamar Jackson now in the quarterback room you have three quarterbacks wedding. This system trace McSorley? It was a guy that was recruited as a safety as well. As a cornerback as a quarterback coming out of high school. And so they have versatility that f- lettuce, isn't that toughness that he's been able to display it's a really really good fit in Baltimore. No question. And I think John Harbaugh was like, I don't know we met playing everywhere, you know. So that's I think that's a really cool weapon. Cool tool for you have their down at the bottom. End of the draft moving into around seventy going back to the Panthers which got here. I'm going back to the depends. I'm going with Terry Godwin from George. This is a five star year for Georgia receiver saw star crew coming out of high school the guy that also played baseball. So it speaks to his ball skills. But for what he could potentially do for the Carolina Panthers as a returner as another speed demon on the outside as they're beginning to remake this wide receiver core and put more speed on the field around Cam Newton. He's going to have an opportunity to compete and get a little spot weaking Ernst and time getting a rotation scouts, by the way. Look at that stuff. When you God own was a five school Byron coward. Of course, went to the fifth round with the patriots. He was a number one overall recruit does that factor in where scouts kind of look at that at least a little bit. So it's funny because I had this conversation. I had with Josh Snyder of the Seattle Seahawks. We're going back and forth. And I was telling my experiences at the opening, and I was like man if I was back in the business. I would encourage everybody to dig up those. Oh. Recruiting lists and just trying to figure out where did all the five stars. Go just to see. Because at some point the way the recruiting rankings are now guys don't typically miss. I would just like to track them down. And just kinda see where those guys are. Because I think it's at least taken a flyer on guys as a free agent to kinda see if they cause if dad enough talent at one point to be considered one of the guys in the country. There may be something that you're going to cover. That's interesting. So Georgia, Ohio State, really good wide receiver classes this year. And I'm going to go to Ohio State for my favorite seventh round pick, Mike Weber, boys. Ryan Weber was a guy who was eventually replaced in the feature role by JK Dobbins once once he got onto campus. But Webber was a productive player at Ohio State. And now he's going in where there's another productive Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott there with Dallas and just kind of bolstering that backfield a little bit. I think he could he could provide some nice depth there for him. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Can't provide some dip and with Zeke Elliott kind of nearing the end of his rookie contract. And there may be some conversation about how much they pay them. Do they pay them bringing on Mike Weber and also Tony pilot two guys that can maybe crack and fight and compete for the number two spot behind him. There's a future for those guys. We'll see how much of how much potential and production might wills able display in training camp and into free season. He's we'll get every opportunity to be into mix. No question. Okay. So that you don't want. Let's give while it was on the high state kick. Let me give one little bonus favorite priority free agent, Johnny Dixon, Johnny Dixon. I knew he had the sa- medical issues. Maybe we'll kept him out. But I was surprised him. I didn't take a seventh-round flyer on him especially after how how well he didn't approach routes as good specialty here, especially he's a good player fortunate. He'd been banged up a little bit during this time. But man, he's a good player came on like game buses and we're seeing now in the league twenty percent of the league is comprised of undrafted. Yeah. Look man, you need a chance. So we'll see if he gets his chance to make it. Okay. Let's move on and finish up. This episode by doing our best offenses in defensive drafts. So taking a look at the draft class as a whole and separating it out offense and defense finding out who had the best offensive draft class this year. Bookie who gets the nod for you. Then for me goes to the San Francisco forty Niners and Ephron mentioned deebo Samuel Jalen Hurd, cayden Smith, those guys to me, I think have a chance to be contributors for the forty eight one deebo Samuel Jalen Hurd, versatile playmakers guys that can give you all kinds of production under perimeter into passing game. Cadence myth is another from Stanford. I felt like was a little underrated. But I think he's going to have an opportunity we have seen Stanford has produced tied in after tied in when it comes to the league. I've recently been surpassed by Iowa because I had to personnel side ends became Smith is another in a long line of Stanford tight ends. They find a way to the league. We'll see if he's able to stay because if he sticks. This is a very very productive class for the forty Niners. That's a good one. And you get the punter. Mitch wish now ski which I think technically falls on the defensive side of things but could bail out the offense a little bit there. You'll give us a credit to. Okay, we'll give us a credit. All right. I'm going to say this is kind of interesting one for me. The eagles were my favorite offensive draft here. Number one. They trade up and get Andre Dillard, arguably the best tackle they get him at number twenty two does a good class. They come back and get miles Sanders. Who's definitely a top five running back this year say which one about the strength of this class as a whole, but a guy with really only one year tread on the tires, and it was a productive year after he got out of saquon Barkley shadow and Philly needs some backs. Yeah, they got Jordan Howard. But you know, they they run a stable Baxter there. And he could be another piece of that puzzle for him JJ or Sega Whiteside went talking. Red zone threats big time at fourteen touchdowns last year asked and answered we know he can get it done and put the ball in the paint. They're also like Clayton Thorson. You know, I'm a big Nate Sud field fan. So obviously our backup quarterback there and Philly, but Clayton really impressed me when he joined us on path to the draft. I think he is he's going to be a really good guy for that room. And kind of help them fill out that's going to be a really nice quarterback room there with wince Saad felt in Thorson. And so that really kind of caught my at four four hundred fix office of players. And I want to say is courtesy their next next man up. I mean in their position to take over for people that previous spot Audrey dealer for Jason Peters. Mal Sanders for Jordan Howard, anyway, Jay or so you'll Wieser potentially for. Agla all Sean, depending on how long that lasts so nice picks because it gives them a year to kind of Richard and put themselves in a position to carve out bigger roles. Okay. Let's flip to the defensive side of all what you got there. So I went with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and some of this is due to the quality of players day got. But also the depth in the number of defensive players that he took you talk about a team to to them count. One two three four five. We've of kicker six seven seven hundred eighty picks defensive guys Devon white is to head Lonner gives them automatic leader. In the middle of the defense. Then you get two Cornerbacks and Sean bunny Djamil dean fast explosive who have opportunities to kind of jump into makes and Todd Bowles defense. Anthony, Nelson kinda comes into the mix and interior Beck ner at the very end of the draft. So you talk about really committing all of the resources to try and improve. That defense does what Tempe book in Israel to do. So. They went to corners in the second round right dip. Dip. They went to corners in the second round last year Carlton Davis and j Stewart story. Oh, yeah. But and then you go back to Vernon Hargraves who they took three years ago. They take it five corners of the first two rows. And they don't feel good about the position to vote. That is the only way that you could come back and take those two. And you think you could make an argument that, you know, Todd Bowles may want something a little bit different out of that position. So they won't back differently. They want to build up to death or you may want to make it a very very competitive situation and see what transpires However, I can tell you. When you commit to second round pick those guys are going to be there. They're going to be there. And so my favorite defensive draft. This might come as a bit of a surprise the giants and look. Yeah. Maybe you to look. Honestly, go ahead. What's your saying? In in in looking at that. Because so much conversation has centered around Daniel Jones Lawrence. I don't know if people look beyond that at the rest of their class, and look, yeah, you can make an argument that you know, Dexter Lawrence might have been a little bit of a reach at seventeen to down player. Maybe they get a little more pass rush out of him and keep them on the field. But you know, you you you trade Damon Harrison last year snacks Arison. But I think you've got a nice another nice piece of that rotation there in Lawrence. And then you come back Danbury Baker who might be the best corner in the class. He might be might end up in a a really good starting cornerback for the giants. And then you come back. You don't have your second round. And you come back, and you get o'shane imminence as your Ed rusher because we know the sex through sex ABC's like a Yanni Ken Gakugei who kind of fell into that second third round rusher. Mold. So, you know, I think that's got potential to be a really good defensive draft. So it does have potential. So let's do this. Because we kind of did this on the show a lot of times. We'll be doing in clusters who would you rather have? And so you could have Daniel gills in o'shane Zimmer says or you could have Josh Allen. And we'll Greer who would you rather have? Because I tell you if you third world looking at quarterbacks, right? It was it was only rear we're looking at. We'll we're or went to four four. Ryan finley. So who are you more comfortable with when it comes down to it? And I think you like to say I got the quarterback that I want and I gotta pass rush who has a proven track record and the three four defense of being able to get to the quarterback. Maybe we came out on the top side of. Well, I think you would you know, if you follow DJ's logic. You would have to say it's Daniel Jones ins imminence rather than because you'd rather take the quarterback that you feel this about this. And I'm not saying pass rushers grow on trees. Like DJ was saying with the running backs the other day, but. Interesting over you've seen a number of patch versions come outside of the first round and have success. And so the odds would tell you that you more likely to find a Pash Russia didn't a quarterback outside of the first one. And that's pretty much going to do it for us. But sorry, I got slightly distracted when we were going through seventh round picks because of my tweet deck here it popped up in you can appreciate this coach Brooks Melba high school dropping football yet to draw from a they dropped from eleven man football. That means they're doing eight minutes able play people play eight man football Muslim school. They play. Really? This is a weird thing to look at. I thought that happened in like rural Minnesota Scott Ross Scott frost is right player who late and very rush. Rush. It'll be is the wolf was able to do it. Shapes. The different is a different kind of all some areas that participation is down. So you try and give yourself a fighting chance and eight men ball. I mean, you can get it done with twenty twenty five dudes trying to feeling I hear you look. It's your game though, surf out their mouth surfers arena bowl. So I guess this is our final week of the draft. You're going to be here on the podcast, obviously start transferring into the full on coach Brooks mode here pretty full on covert starting starting Monday really starting or some face to face to the program. So phase one we've been working out at six am the guys who've been getting up and working out and doing some stuff on the feeling into weight room. But we'll finally have some little mini practices for the next ten days. When we start on Monday. We'll go Monday to Friday Monday to Friday get those guys out there run around and do some fun stuff. And we'll kind of see. We have. And then we are back for final path of draft episode on Friday, make sure to tune in a lot of fun and games to send. But. But it's Friday Friday f block even have a production meeting. Join. I don't know. But we're gonna we're gonna finish it out for you. And remember, all your MTS, content and NFL all dot com. Video YouTube dot com slash NFL, apple podcasts. Thanks for hanging out with us here today. We're back next week moves six podcasts.

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NFL Draft Betting Podcast with Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld April 22, 2020

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NFL Draft Betting Podcast with Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld April 22, 2020

"Thank you for joining me here on this Wednesday April Twenty second edition of Bang Book Radio My Name Is Anna Burke your host the next thirty five to forty minutes or so as we talk about the NFL draft with Thornton from Rota world got a lot of draft coverage over at Bangor Book Dot Com. Right now forty to check out. Please make sure that you do that. Also in lieu of the box. Tomorrow we'll be talking some. Nfl draft with John Ryan so back-to-back days or three days in a row talking about the NFL draft on bankable radio certainly encourage you to check out all of those different shows and encourage you to check out size sportsbook if you use that Promo Code Btv and the number two hundred one hundred percent deposit match bonus for the Sports Book One Hundred Percent Deposit Match Bonus for the live casino at the SL. It's only game until you bet it and we bring on today's guests. That is thorn NYSTROEM from Rota World. Thor great to chat with you again. Horia MR Burke to be back with you that's great to have you back on. This show made everything going well. I know you're busy now. Everything is gone tremendous added Christmas Eve right now. We're right on deck for the best time of the year of Merry Christmas to you. I can't wait for the NFL draft to get going. And I mean this is. This is definitely a sweet spot for you. You do a lot of stuff with the NFL draft over at Rota world and we'll go ahead and start here with I talked about by. Mlb betting guide as a Labor of love my season preview of all thirty teams all the division pennant futures player futures. All that kind of thing looks like your Labor of love. Is your big board over at Rota world. Five hundred players strong great job with it man. They said Yeah it certainly is at you know we go five hundred deep but the other thing that truly becomes a labor of love is five hundred player comps which get pretty ridiculous when you get into the you know the UDF as it. Get down there but I I do the best I can with that you know. Dig Up on all these players. Their athletic profiles. We HAVE THEIR SPARK. Scores in their rascal. Justed sparked scores all that kind of stuff. And it's kind of thing where you know ever since I was a kid. I was obsessed with two thanks college football and NFL draft. And when I was watching the draft as a kid you know I'd watch all seven rounds. I was as sick going back to like ten years old. I remember being at like John. Strauss's birthday party like when it was the Radi Moss draft and like so Vikings Fan. And I remember knowing that the fulcrum point for Moss was the Dallas Cowboy as pack. And so I was like you know everyone is downstairs. Playing Mario Kart and I'm like you know sort of steel myself away from my friends of sneaking around the house trying to find another TV. Get get to the broadcast of who the cowboys are. GonNa pick. It wants. Boss gets by their. You know like like like you're crazy man. What are you talking about? You know and stuff like that but this five hundred player thing you know. I would always have a magazine and so be crossing off names. I went well those billboards who's usually like one hundred or sometimes one hundred fifty players or whatever the most you'd ever see be like two hundred. Well they run out at some point seventh-round or whatever but certainly by the time you know the Vikes or these other teams start signing. Udf as on Saturday night. I didn't know who those guys where but the UDF process seemed like a big deal. You know these guys are getting signed so I figured you know once I had this job as a job I always wanted to write about the NFL. I always wonder do a big board. That was big enough to encapsulate. Not only the entire draft but also what? I consider to be the second draft. Which is the process right afterwards. Ed a lot of valuable contributors come out of that process so I wanted to have a big board. That was big enough that one Saturday nights over and all of a sudden. Udf free for fans. We'll have that thing they'll have all the names crossed out of all the guys you know and I put out my best available you. Dfa's on Saturday night. So it's just the guy's going to be a list of almost three hundred guys. You can check in real time. You know who your team is signed and who. They're calm to their authentic profile. Different stuff like that. So True Labor love and I do love it. All and it's it's definitely an awesome thing as well like you said a lot of UDF as and something else. I've kind of been reading about too. Is that you know maybe the supplemental draft winds up being really big this year. Because we don't know what this upcoming college football season could look like so that winds up being a pretty interesting thing to cover as well but looking at your five hundred strong big board here. Everybody's doing mock drafts. I mean every site out. There has tens and tens and hundreds of these things now. Because there's really not much else to talk about here in the world of sports I know that not only. Are you writing a lot of stuff for a world? But you're also soaking up a lot of information looking at a lot of the other sites you know kind of what they're looking at sort of formulating your thoughts for your own mock draft which will be posting on Thursday. Probably over at Rota world so with that in mind. Who are some of the guys that you feel like? Maybe you're higher on than everybody else. Maybe a little bit lower on one of the guys that I'm higher on everyone for sure as viscous you know the wide receiver from Colorado and Adam I know you and and whoever else out there is is a huge college. Football Fan watches the college football game. You're probably with me. 'cause you saw the viscous Chanel dominate in the PAC twelve whenever he was healthy just take on other teams by himself You know he his issue is that it was hard for him to stay healthy and the teams have some trepidation about about that and also there was a dearth of creativity on the Colorado staff which sort of forced to La Vista because number one because he was a singular talent and also because there was no one that was even close to as good as him where they were just forcing the ball into his hands over and over and over again in these these various ways as a wildcat quarterback throw into a two parameter thrown at them and intermediate sometimes downfield but not so much downfield he. He should have had more opportunities to show what he could do as a wide receiver. He wasn't given that opportunity almost because of just how good he was. And because of how SORTA poorer offensive staff was specifically last year and because of that usage in part his body was not able to hold up to some of the rigors of the hits that he was taken because of his game. The the kids absolute Gamer like He. When he gets the ball he runs like a running back in like a mean running back like he is trying to run over. Defensive Backs but he's a guy who's fabulously athletic. He didn't get to submit a full athletic profile In Indianapolis which might be another reason. Why he just dropped a little bit He it looks like he might fall into the second round but I think he's going to be a tremendous value if he stays healthy at the you know in the NFL. He's a guy that to me. You could be a top ten top fifteen type Value I nineteen just digging them a little bit for the durability stuff but to me just in terms of talent. He's pretty damn close to a top ten town in this class so that would be one guy. Denzel mims is. Another guy was quickly here his first round. Yes no problem. Seeing plus two seventy five plus two eighty out there to be a first round pick. Do you think a team with a first round pick. We'll take him or are those injury concerns just too big to overcome so in a vacuum all the way up until a month ago. I would've said Yeah. You should take those odds. I mean just in terms of talent him against some of these other guys like he's more physically gifted these guys and he's also showing more on the field then a lot of these guys you know. His degree of difficulty was higher than a lot of these receivers. That are around him but the tide seems to have turned around against him where he's like sort of the forgotten guy amongst the top group of that receivers and the health is a big part of it and this sort of goes into the time that we are in with the corona virus and he. I think is sort of a victim of his circumstance that he was a victim of circumstance in some ways just being Colorado. I talked about that with the usage. He's also sort of a victim circumstance as far as just what this process was because he wasn't able to get into buildings and he wasn't able to get examined by these various teams as doctors and stuff like that and we saw this with a two hour where. There's a bunch rumors about you know. Different stuff with to his health and stuff like that and a big part of that was just because to wasn't able to get examined by each interested teams is parties medical teams and so they have to rely on a different doctor. Even though that guy was a world renowned hip expert they have to rely on his word. Well the NFL's already a paranoid league as is and so like you know. A guy like Levinsky Chenault like if the NFL these teams they have to rely on some other teams as medicals and they know he's been dinged up here these last couple years. I think you're going to be less inclined to sort of give him the benefit of the doubt and you're going to be more inclined to just sort of play You know things you. You're going to be more inclined to play things really risk averse and Adam you and I were talking before before the show about you know th the way that that this whole situation plays out during the draft like you know the way. It actually manifest. You know it's going to be crazy draft. It's GonNa be something we've never seen before. But I sort of anticipate that we're going to see less trades because they're going to be more difficult to complete and you know in a lot of the employees a decision makers are going to be off on their own so you know you have less heads in the room and stuff like that but then also you know in terms of like a like talking about drafting guys that have these higher risk profiles because of medicals where you didn't have your your own team examined them. I think it hurts guys like that. Because you know these these GM's they're just like us where they're concerned about their jobs as and so you don't want to you know. Make a selection that might cost you your job in a year or two and so like you know if a guy did use whatever I think. Chenault is worth even with the medical question. I think he's worth at the top twenty pick but you know if a team were to use that on him and let's just say the medical it did turn out to be bad and the media's asking him well did you. Have your doctor examined him. And he's like well no. I couldn't and it's like you know all of a sudden the Thai could start to turn on if you know. Turns out to be a bus because his body betrays them. I think that stuff plays into these decisions more than we know at home and I think that's why the tide turns against them a little bit the odds that you suggest. Maybe it's worth a flyer but it really does seem like like I said that that tide has turned against them so even though to me he is an absolute clear-cut first round talent. I just don't see him mocked in the first round anymore. This is from a lot of guys that get really good Intel. So either teams at the end of the first round that need receivers are keeping a really close to the vest in new and a good job of of concealing their interest in channel or the the medical the their concerns about that or their paranoia about that is so pronounced that they are going to allow a clear first round talent to filter into the second round. Now another name that you were starting to bring their before I stopped his Denzel mims and Denzel mims Now yes to be a first round pick minus one fifty out there online yes to be a first round pick minus one ninety five at five times so this is a guy with some first round. Helium seems like the expectation is that he goes in the first round here. Yeah and I think that he will He has less questions. Although I don't know if that's founded It's funny like him against Journal like I. Donald Nineteenth overall I twenty fifth. Mim Says Questions in his evaluation as well. They're different but again it's just because this the the way that this processes mims was able to answer some of these questions about his evaluation to the minded the NFL to his risk profile. And what that was with names is last season starting in two thousand eighteen. Men's a really talented guy but in two thousand eighteen baylor broadened Jalen Hurd. They sort of filtered. Their offense jalen heard a lot of intermediate stuff her playing in the slot. They're thrown into him a lot and Mim sorta like struggled in in this role in this new role that he was in and he dropped some balls. He played down a little bit last year his game jump back up again but he was only really running two routes. All they really did with him was sent him deep run fly routes or send them on slants over the middle it was. It was literally just basically two things and so he. He was running. This pruned relatively well so going into the season into his process. There is this idea of like you know he's a guy that that maybe he can't move his well laterally because we either see him running vertically or else it's just that the straight shots across the middle or whatever so maybe he just doesn't have it in him to be able to run more of the a more diverse route three or whatever but then he goes to mobile at the senior bowl and he was just cooking cooking. Cornerbacks down there in all kinds of routes. I mean whatever you needed to do was just destroying people and then he goes to the combine and tests as a ninety fifth percentile athlete at wide receiver at six three two seven and so he was able to answer all those questions about his evaluation and sort of put some of that stuff to bed. The the other thing about mims is and I think some people realize I see People Nitpick Mrs Game by saying like I saw him push off a lot on tape or you know I you know He. He has some drops and some of this different stuff. What people need to realize is denzil? Mims is the only wide receiver. Think about this. He's the only wide receiver prospect of this class. Who did not have one catch off of a screen pass last year? He did not have one manufactured touch last year at all. It was literally just stuff down field or else stuff over the middle. Every single catch that he had he had to work for so his his degree of difficulty was hired in some of these guys and he was doing what was asked of him that that was what Matt Rule and what the system was you know had asked of him or whatever and he did Pretty Dang well of it. He was one of the better downfield guys in the nation. I calmed. Dj Shark. Who is a guy who fell into the second round but he's having a pretty damn good career so far you know in a guy who also had a very good athletic profile as well so. I do think that mims goes because you know at least perceptually. He has a lower risk profile. Just because you have everything there as far as the athletic profile stuff. He doesn't have the durability concerns. Sure not was a better player in a vacuum apples to apples when they were on the field that stuff with the durability stuff at the NFL's paranoia. I think that's why mint has moved above him at least perceptually since we're talking about wide receiver so let's go ahead and talk about the top three here the class of the wide receiver group. You've got CD lamb. You've got Jerry. Judy you've got Henry Rugs and if you look out there in the marketplace right now I wide receiver drafted CD lamb minus one twenty. That's one of the numbers that's out there. You've got another minus one twenty out there at five times so the same number of Ben Online and five times. And also you've got exact order props out there. Bet Online for the order of lamb judy at rugs that order specifically in terms of the order of them being drafted plus two thirty to go lamb. Judy Rugs Judy Lamb. Rugs is plus two sixty lamb. Rugs Judy plus six hundred. How do you sort of see these top three wide receivers shaking out here? The one that would be interesting there as far as like if I was gonNA take a flyer. I think the one that you just mentioned that I would take a flyer on you. Know like I think the one would be lambs. Rugs Judy just because of the odds. Because you said that was plus six hundred right lamb student at plus six hundred if there was if there was one of the I mean. I mean. 'cause you know perceptual. I wide receiver off the board. I think that there is a good shot You know of course. There's a shot that judy could go as well. But I but there's to me there's no shot that lamb is the third one whereas I do think that there's a shot. That judy is that there is a shot. That rugs goes before judy. I I don't think that there's a great shot but I do think that there is a chance you know I mean rugs has. He's got a card to play that not many people who have ever entered the NFL. Do you know that high octane? Athleticism that four to speed. He's got to the tyreek hill thing going for him. And the other thing that rugs has. I don't know if a lot of people realize this about him. He has the second biggest hands in the wide receiver. Class of all these guys. Can you think of all these freaks? We have in this receiver class one of the best receiver classes of all time. We have we have guys in this class. Where like six six to twenty. We have all these monsters. Henry Rugs has the second biggest hands of the whole class and not only that. He only dropped like one or two balls last year. Like he really doesn't drop drop balls at Alabama. They threw the ball a lot more to judy. But rugs is just an insane athlete. And if people out there have seen rugs is a high school basketball highlights. He has done correal where he's just like it. Looks like a video game. You don't get over people so rugs is a little bit less refined his routes art and it's good but I caught him a little bit slack for that because my whole thing is like when you're running in the four it's a little bit harder to have the fancy footwork yourself down a little bit because just because you're moving faster than the speed of sound you know what I mean like. It's just a little bit harder but I could see a scenario where You know we're we're lamb. Goes I I? I think that that is the favourite outcome. I certainly I would be a proponent of that and that you know that rugs could potentially move ahead of duty. I do think judy probably is the second guy to go. But Judy did. Not Have the best process lamb had had a great process but Judy didn't have the best one he went to. The combine didn't test very well. He had a very hit a weird thing with the Star of David Necklace. And then he he explained it later on okay but like at the time it was weird people and stuff like that and then There was a report that just came out of a surgery that he had a year ago or so or two years ago. The that we had known about before. It doesn't look like it's something super serious. There's just been a couple more things with him that I you know heading into the process. you know he was just a bit higher and a couple of things of dinged him just a little bit and again rugs. Has that sort of thing where he has this trump card where you call him a field tipper because even plays where he is not involved. You have to account for rugs. Every time he moves the safety back single play. You need to know we're Henry. Rugs is at all times because he gets downfield so quickly and he catches the ball if you put it in his vicinity so I could potentially see a team saying you know if lamb goes first and then you say like Adam you WANNA talk specifics. Like you know I think I think there's a chance that that the first wide receiver off the board. You know it could be. It might not be Vegas at twelve. You know like I mean we might get the four tackles off the board. The fourth one might be the jets there at eleven. I know Cleveland's GonNa take on at ten. They might be a third one especially if Arizona at eight takes one right like. I'm pretty sure the giants at Ford are going to take one so that would be. That'd be number one assuming that the dolphins and the chargers go. Qb One of them might take a tackle. It has been a rumor. But you know if you're GONNA get potentially the second tackle their Arizona but we'll just say either way that that by the eighth pick two tackles are gone. The third one is going to be gone at ten. I think in that scenario almost assuredly the jets take the fourth one because we have the big four tackles in this class and they badly need to tackle so you you would almost certainly be forced to their well in that scenario the first wide receiver off the. Ah IN THAT SCENARIO IT would be probably at twelve unless you know a team like Jacksonville decides to skew. What is probably a bigger need another position or a team like that but Arizona's already traded for a receiver and stuff like that so. I think that there's a decent chance that that the first receiver off the board. It's it's around that twelve th pick. I would assume that that lay. I'm just because I think he's a better better. Prospect better process that the careers of the two guys were were very similar but I think he you know slightly better. They're slightly less questions. And then the next pick their San Francisco That might be the the next receiver gets kind of interesting there. Would you go? Judy would go Rugs I mean it's it. It gets kind of interesting there so I mean yeah at odds like that you know I. I don't WanNa prop like that if I would take if I would just go chok I might take. Am I take the odds in a on a smaller bet? And just just trying to play the odds as you take a look here you got. Cd Lamb over under twelve and a half kind of seeing the same number for Jerry. Judy out there. Twelve and a half the juice different though lambs juice up in the minus two hundred range to go somewhere in the first twelve and as you mentioned twelve probably the landing spot for him if Kyle Shanahan. It's got a choice between Jerry. Judy your Henry Rugs. That's really interesting. Because does he want the route runner. The guy that you figure Garoppolo can maybe get the intermediate stuff too. Or do you want the home run hitter and rugs who's also got the really big hands and maybe that can kind of sort of grow into that profile. Should be really really interesting to see how those wide receivers shakeout. What about the quarterbacks we know boroughs going one? Barring some sort of completely strange in odd circumstance is two of the second quarterback off the board or is it just in Herbert. Do we just mentioned you think that this may be more conservative. First round in terms of trades. So maybe we get your the second quarterback taken at five something like that. Maybe somebody trades up to take the giants pick at four but right now it looks like to going. Five is what the betting market thinks. What is sort of thing? Yeah I I think I still think tour to the dolphins you know and I thought that even throughout all this smoke were you know it started to be like no the dolphins actually like just in Herbert and they're concerned about too. Because the way that I thought about this is like we knew going back like a year. Plus that the dolphins like to I mean that was one of the worst kept secrets in the draft. Media's at the whole thing of tank for two and all this stuff and it was specifically with regards to the dolphins and then all of a sudden it was like two weeks ago. Three weeks to go. These media reports are coming out of like no. The the dolphins are actually really concerned about You know to happen actually. Don't like him as much as as they had lead on. Their guy is actually been herbert all along. And that's the guy they're targeting and stuff like that and you start to see more and more reports about that and you know and so it. It was really strange. Because it's like okay well so either that's true and the dolphins have just horrible leaks in their organization because they had to do with shut the hell up and everyone would have gone into the draft assuming that they love to because that was the narrative the whole time all they had to do is just not leak it and Herbert just sort of fall into them or they're the dumbest organization in the world and they you know they. They evaluated for whatever reason Herbert to be their guy but they they let the secret leak out. Which would allow a team to hop them. So you think what? What's the more likely scenario that that they are such a poorly run organization that they would flip the prospect that they had lights all the way through up until the last couple of weeks before the draft change it and then start telling all of their media contacts or for that they still like to all along as we knew and that they let this out because they want to it a fall to them without having to trade up it. It seems to me that one of those scenarios is way more likely than the other But I guess we'll find out how well or poorly run. The dolphins are wooden. Would we tomorrow night? You know so you got to walk under five and a half minus one six year so same thing to me. The second quarterback drafted that makes sense. Five Miami makes sense. I don't know if anyone's going to trade up ahead of Miami to get him. I don't really necessarily see that. Being the scenario some people think. Maybe there's a chance that somebody takes the lion's pick and takes too but I don't really see that being the case Herbert. The third quarterback drafted minus one fifty. That makes a Lotta Sense. What about Jordan love? I mean how do you think teams are kind of viewing this guy where you've got over under nineteen and a half as his pick over nineteen and a half pretty heavily juiced minus one ninety so the expectation here that Jordan love not taking the first nineteen picks of the first round? That sound about right to you. So what are the odds of going below nineteen so a twenty year or lower? What what what are the odds are going over over? Nineteen and a half so twenty or higher here in twenty languages always such a pain in the ass here because you think under and you think well it means he's going to go later but actually pick twenty or higher in this case minus one ninety Jordan love. Okay Yeah I you know the way that I see it i. I think that he might be fun a little bit more than that. Because that you know with at the Nineteen Vegas is saying. There is with the raiders. Second PICK IF THE RAIDERS WANT JORDAN. Love so bad. Why wouldn't they just take him at at twelve first off you? Would you would risk getting hopped and the second thing is is like Jordan. Love the the risk profile there is you know is is quite high. People out there like Verdon. Loveless was awesome in in two thousand eighteen. His TD ratio is like thirty to six. You know something like that. And then he. He was playing with a couple. Nfl players. Darwin Thompson was one around Cuevas. Tarver Dax Raymond guys like that and he lost. Some of those guys lost his. Most of his offensive line has his coaching south laughed and roster. That came back was horrible and a new coaching staff. And last season Jordan. Love was was quite bad. You know I mean like the Pro Football Focus says an advance winds metric that show like Jordan. Love is essentially like an average player last year and td I n t ratio was was like barely above one to one I. He's either led the nation and interceptions thrown or was staying close to it. He was already he already had some raw elements to his game and then last year Decision making and the processing of the field. He got some really really bad habits ingrained into him where he was trying to like. Take on the whole way to the world you know some players and then you know other drives. He was just really frustrated and it was just like his. His brain was melting down. He does have a ton of tools you know in terms of his build Just about perfect six. Four to twenty four tested in the seventy fifth percentile. Very athletic and the ball just shoots out of his hands but again the decision making process is Sorta playground d you know and the NFL doesn't really suffer that you know so it's going to require work and to take a player that high especially in a draft class like this. It's really stacked there at the top. You would have to take love over a bunch of these guys that are that are sure things you know what I mean like. You know. We're talking about like you know. These guys were bathing about these names. Like lamb and judy. And we're talking about the tackles like Andrew Thomas and jeter quills interest in worse and MCI Beck in we talk about the edges like chase on Justin Jefferson and other name the corners like. There's there's so many guys here sure there's GonNa come a point of demarcation with love where it's worth it but for me. Nineteen you know I. I just don't know about that. Like the the raiders got a couple of guys they got a car and Mariota like And I think that they think that they're getting pretty close to their contention window They seem to be an organization at least recently under mayock and under group and they have been taken guys from these established programs. Like I have this joke. Where like Clemson and Alabama like half? Their picture are from there whatever. Which by the way going back to the product. Maybe maybe that's more a data point of like rugs or Judy with twelve picker. Whatever but although I suppose Oklahoma's is also a blue blood but the raiders have been sort of going that way And so you know just in terms of would they sort of take him above what what myself in. Some of the other guys. That do this for a living. Think that loves ranges will maybe. Maybe they feel that they're that desperate and they feel that like cars absolutely Mariota's absolutely they cannot roll forward with them after this season but I don't know that they would send that message to their their roster going way. I. I'm not sure that that's the right decision for them. I I tend to think that love is going to go in the twenties But that's just me. It only takes one team in the second. That just in Herbert gets taken. Love is sort of on the clock you know so I suppose. That's where the thing about him going in the teens comes in but it is a good number by Vegas. You know. That's that's about where you'd said it. But I don't know about the raiders. Take him there with with the second. Pick 'cause I yeah anyway. I don't know why you wouldn't take them with the first one to guarantee them if you like them. That much aren't so. Let's talk offensive Lineman here because as you mentioned I mean. There's there's a chance that we've got four tackles taken here. In the first ten or eleven picks for the longest time Tristan worse was the favourite to be the first offense lineman drafted and we kind of expected that at four to the giants. But now jesuit wills the favorite minus one ten out there at online at his draft position over under eight and a half under the half at minus two. Oh five but that looks like a pretty easy bet to make your point in time with probably two tackles coming off the board. In the first eight picks Andrew Thomas his draft positions kind of moved around a little bit right now over under ten and a half minus one sixty five to be a top ten pick. Of course you've got Matai Becton part of the project but the athlete Guy Looks like his stock kind of falling a little bit to maybe go. Eleven there to the jets as you mentioned over. Eight and a half minus three eighty on the chock there for that one. So how do you kind of rank these off of Lyman? And where do you sort of expect to see them going? I liked that Andrew Thomas. Pick in the first round in the top ten I. I do think that there's a really good shot at the four guys. Go in the top eleven. And I don't see Andrew Thomas being the fourth one to go. I think to me I would start to see. His floor is being the browns and I think he's a great fit for the browns because the browns need a left tackle specifically because they spend all that money on the right tackle. Thomas is the only guy to me in class of of the three that projects cleanly to the left side. Jack Wills played right at Alabama. Wirth's played right at Iowa. He to the left for a few games last year because the left. Guy Jackson he got injured for a little bit. But outside of that worst played right his entire career and lack prototypical length for the left side. And then back then. He sort of flipped around in Louisville's offense but he doesn't really have the movement skills to cleanly project to the left side long term in the NFL. And guys that big. Like I wouldn't want in there. He seems like a much cleaner fit to the right side. So I think Andrew Thomas Floor is probably ten I I usually like to take the plus side of it you know and and get better you know than than even money or whatever but of the of the odds you threw out there that that's the one that I liked the most all right. Let's let's just joke around here with a few other positions kind of do some. Yes no first round type stuff last year for those that. Don't we had you on for the draft and you were really really stumping four tighthead? You were really stopping for TJ Hopkinson tight end in the first round here. I've seen that in the plus four hundred range just somebody make a reach for a tight end or do we just not have a guy close enough to the first round here I. It would be a mistake if they did. I think it's a really poor tight end class. I have seen some like reports that may be cold. Commit goes in the first round. But I I would be really surprised. Cole I find commit to be an overrated prospect Watching his tape he he doesn't block and as a receiver talked about Denzel. Meme TED no manufacturer. Production call committed a surprising amount of manufactured production for tight end. They throw the ball on the perimeter like screens and sulfite that I I just find him to be overrated prospect. A He's a guy that moves though and looks like a first round tight end so I could he slide in there. I would be really surprised. I would take the no on that one. But the odds just aren't there. That's a stay away for me. All right. What about the Andrea Swift? I'm seeing first round. Yes a first. Pick binds one. Oh five at five times. I'm seeing yes first round. Pick MINUS THIRTY FIVE AT LINE. So some difference of opinion maybe some different exposure between those two books. This somebody take the Andre Swimming. He's probably the only I running back in this draft class right. So does somebody take him in the first round I would take? I would take the no on that. I think the I think the. Nfl is getting smarter with this in terms of dropping the running backs down and with this this class specifically you have nine. Maybe even ten running backs that you could project potentially start whether right away or pretty damn close to right away and maybe that delineation point is eight and Antonio Gibson at nine is just incredibly intriguing boomer bus type running back but you know wherever that number is the teams that need a guy to play right away Running back. It's not much bigger than that. And so those teams can afford to wait until day to. There's so many guys that are clear. First rounders at in this this draft that are a positions of much higher value I just see waiting the only team that I could really see doing. It would be like Miami because they'd be like Oh you know. We got three first round picks in yellow. You know we'll just use the third one and sort of take the flyer there but even with them like. Why would you do that? As opposed to take in one of these receivers are like know taking a coroner or take one of the Taken an offensive lineman. They're I I just and by the way. I don't think that swift is the best back in this class. I think that Jonathan Taylor is not that the Taylor. You know what I'm saying that he'll go above him but I I yeah anyway. I'm just not convinced that ready to go in the first round so I take the no on that side of it. I'll tell you what I think. If there's one that goes in the first round it's maybe Edward Sealer just because he's maybe the best receiving back you know of the top guy. Yes last very receiver. Too Edward C layers. The kind of guy that makes sense for a team schematic that likes to use the running backs a lot. That'd be the one that I would think. Maybe as kind of an outside shot at being a first round. Pick if you find any kind of odds for that a couple more players that want to pick your brain on real quickly here. We'll save the best for last so I WANNA talk about. Jalen hurts here. Real Quick Jalen hurts a favorite to go in the second round minus one. Thirty third round plus one seventy. Initially we saw the third round as the favorite. But now we're kind of seeing that maybe someone will take a shot him in the second round. It's minus one. Fifteen over at five times is Jalen hurts going to be atop sixty five pick in this draft. Yeah I think of those two. I think yeah second round. I think that's probably what I would say to you know. We heard rumors that his stock is going up. And from having evaluated jalen hurts. I can see that you know I now. You have to know what you're getting jalen hurts. I my four or five hundred big board I comp to. He's the only non-football comp that I did but I caught them to Ricky Rubio because their players that they have you know. A bunch of clearly delineated shrinks one Very clearly delineated fly. Ricky Rubio of course couldn't shoot. Jalen hurts has a real issue. Throwing downfield and reading defenses downfield but hurts all these shrinks You know as far as as mobility. He's not just not just mobility but he's extremely strong kid. Who's a Texas power lifting champion in high school and stuff like that? He's also very good in the intermediate game and so like a team? We'll have to talk themselves into building an offense around him. That would sort of be like this. You know going back to a term that the Texans used a couple of years ago but like an exotic smash type old school new school wall hybrid type thing where you could run a spread. Up-tempo RUN heavy You know where it's like you know a lot of runs and then a lot of play action. Rpo type stuff that kind of look like you know kind of look like the stuff you doing it. Alabama and kind of. Look like this stuff. You do that at Oklahoma where it be. You know maybe you got a big back next to him and stuff like that and you know you're hurrying back to the line and then you got a couple of good receivers and what. Jalen hurts is really good at as a passer. There's there's two different things he's really good at intermediate accuracy. We saw that even going back to Alabama when he was just a one read guy he can always hit a guy on the hand streaking across the middle and then the other thing is he does not turn the ball over the. Nfl is really going to like that and they're really going to like the fact that this is a guy who was mentor by Nick. Sabin Mentor by Lincoln. Riley two coaches that are going to be in the College Football Hall of fame. People know that he's a leader We again Peter King guys like that of reported that Jalen hurts. It's GonNa go higher than you think. I think that that's probably going to be in the second round all right so as we look at sort of the composition not only of the top five but of the top ten. You Got Borough. I you more likely got chased down going. Second Jeff. Okuda probably Detroit at three. Although we've seen a lot of steam here lately Derrick Brown maybe possibly going in that three spot. The giants are GonNa take an offensive Lineman at four in all likelihood the quarterbacks maybe go five six the player who's kind of getting left out of this equation. If you do think four tackles eleven picks is the guy that you and I both absolutely love. That's Isaiah Simmons. If cells makes it to ten for the Browns I'm going to be ecstatic and I swear to God. I hope they take him over left tackle. I don't know if they will but I really hope they do. But as you kind of look at the needs and as you kind of look at the mock drafts and stuff like that for these teams. Is it possible that a guy as gifted as talented as versatile as Isaiah Simmons could actually be a follower here? Maybe there's there's a couple of different scenarios because he has a couple of different spots certainly getting past the giants seems like the giants are GonNa take a tackle but you know they. They had thought about looking at him for a little bit. But it looks like they're going to tackle the next spot. There would be Carolina and then the other one is potentially Arizona. But Yeah there. There would be shot that he does get to ten. You know I I do think there's a shot and by the way to your point. I did a podcast with the browns writer where we were talking about this and he asked me. Is there any scenario? Where if you were the browns you would not take tackle at ten and and I said there's only one and that's if Mr Asia Simmons may get Derwin James Falls to ten. It's the only one if he falls there. You have to take J. Simmons outside of that. You have to take the tackle you just do. Just turn the cartoon but outside of that you know. I J Simmons and Adam. It's funny like I remember going back a couple national titles ago. Never Forget it. We were talking about props back then and you told me it was Bam against Clemson. And you said you know one of your favorite props on the board was Isaiah. Simmons and his tackles in that game and you said I think I jason is going to play a big factor in this game but you could have a big game it man. He sure did. And that was one that you know. In terms of the national perception of Asia that was one of his SORTA national coming out party seven. Aj tyrel you know they. They started kicked off that party. And the ever since then Isaiah Simmons has just been womb womb just rising rising rising up until ten at the combine tested as the best athletic testing linebacker of all time To me I think I had number four on my board Slam Dunk pick at ten. I hope he's there. I don't know if he will be. I don't know what do you think Carolina does? Is it Brown? If he's there I mean for me. It would certainly be Simmons I to me. Simmons objectively a better prospect than Derrick Brown. But you know it. It's hard to say but you know I mean. Carolina has needs at both spots and to me and they have more needs then that on on defense and the tremendous thing about Asia Simmons and some people see this as a negative but I find those people to be. Insane is it. They'll be like Oh you know I treat Simmons. He doesn't have a clearly delineated position. And you know if you put them at one spot. He'll struggle and it's like well no in fact he's just awesome at every position like last year. I J Simmons played something like eight hundred and twenty-five snaps Something like that if you look at his. Pf numbers you look at the advanced stuff. He took over one hundred snaps at five different positions like in the slot at edge as a deep safety oddball linebacker. And I'm forgetting one but literally five different positions and he graded out as an eighty plus which is really good in every single metric. Run Defense Coverage rushing the passer tackling at every single one of those positions. So basically. He's a stud at essentially anywhere that you could put him. And he's for for folks out there. He's a guy who athletically he's just south of Calvin Johnson like. That's the kind of athlete we're talking about. He's just south of his athletic profile. He's not quite there but he's just south of that so you think if someone who's yourself that profile is a little bit smaller just a little bit less athletic but a guy like that you can put its slot cornerback. Who LOCKS PEOPLE DOWN? You can put them at edge rusher. Just get sick among the quarterback put them at linebacker tackle machine you put them deep safety. Y- just tremendous range ball hawk. I mean like you're talking about a guy who can literally do anything and he is that Chesapeake Guy. He's the guy that like bread vegetables just had so much fun with them like a toy and I. It was like battleship. Put Him over the other guy. The other offensive coordinator like what's his pressure point. Okay we're GonNa take that thing away. What what's wh- what do you do that like? You kill other teams with well. We gotTA J. Simmons. So you're not doing that this game. That's the player that I share. Simmons's Yeah I think somebody's going to have a really really good player fall into their laps if they if the first round of the top ten picks shake out the way that we're expecting them do and speaking of the way that you expect the first round a shakeout you're going to have a mock draft coming up soon over at Rota world. You've already got this big board. You've got position breakdowns. So much great stuff over there man. Where can people find? You just sort of Pat Yourself on the back. You're a little bit because you deserve it. Thanks Man Yeah you guys can find. My work wrote a world. You can find me on twitter at cu. The Ku Albion twitter. You know all throughout the draft so check me out. Check out that That Thawra five hundred big board with with player calms you know the rest scores. The spark scores everything like that and the other cool thing is during the draft. You know after Thursday night. I update that Dang right when the draft gets done on Thursday night. I'll post an update on Rota. Were a best available day to on on Friday night when when the draft gets done right away. We'll have it up best available day three and updated version and when the draft gets done on Saturday whenever you know like I was talking about when I was a kid when all the names recrossed off I will have roughly three hundred names still available at the best available. Udf as so. Check US out on on Rota world. Come and say hi to me on on twitter. I'll be plenty of these next three days. It's awesome to chat with you man. It's awesome get you back on the show here again at Thor K. You on twitter wrote a world is the REP website and that mock draft is coming up here over the next twenty four hours or so something like that. So we'll keep an eye out for that as well for an absolute pleasure brother. I know people like to talk about my work ethic but it pales in comparison to yours. Man This is excellent phenomenal work. I hope you're getting the credit that you deserve because you deserve a lot of it at thanks so much for joining me on the show today mentioned Mr Burke it is always a pleasure and I. I don't know if anyone's work ethic pales in comparison to yours man. You are prolific writer but I will certainly take a compliment like that for someone like you. I love having you on the show. Thank you so much. Enjoy the draft. We'll talk to you again soon. Appreciate there you go there. Store Noise Jerem of Rona World. Once again at four K. You on twitter. The four five hundred big board all the position breakdowns and also that mock draft coming up very soon over at Roh world dot com coming up on our Thursday edition of Bank. Radio actually chat some more. Nfl draft with John Ryan Professional handicapper and contribute to bang the Book Dot Com will save the betters box. We'll do that again here after the weekend on Monday. They'll do it for me. They can switch for listener buddy. And we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

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