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Episode 216 | Storytelling: Frozen Ever After

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Episode 216 | Storytelling: Frozen Ever After

"Welcome to detour to never land where you are the author of own Disney. Story. There's a lot of satisfaction in developing ideas into realities. Indie can find magic in your everyday life. If you do what you really want to do. You feel like you're playing how can you write your first chapter today? Greens figure out where we WANNA go. Is How we get there. I met this way. Your hosts, Brendan and Catherine. Welcome back to detour. Today's episode number two, hundred and sixteen. We're back for another storytelling episode we do these every single Wednesday and our goal here is to help you experience the rides and attractions in the Disney parks in a new way help you feel different emotions or catch the different things that you didn't catch last time. So Katherine this one was actually my choice to pick surprisingly it was. So we're talking about frozen ever after in APP cuts. Yes, and I'm not sure how much to go ahead and share but the couple of things that we kinda focused on where of course, just the history of non even just necessarily will kind of the ride but also just the Norway pavilion a whole some of the things that the imagine years did to kind of bring to life and make it. With this word realistic I guess, and then we talk about just frozen itself as a movie in how that Kinda came to be, and then we're gonNA, finish it off by what is the actual story that is being told by frozen after. So we went into this trying not to mention Maelstrom too much. It's very hard. Is basically impossible because if we're really getting an understanding for the ride and kind of where it came from and some of the origins and just the Norway pavilion as a whole I mean Mellstrom is key in all of that. So let's go and jump into it. Of course, we'll share our listeners stories at the end as well and give our Netherlands score, but just some of the facts to lay the groundwork for frozen ever after. So it was announced on September twelfth two, thousand fourteen. Normally, we don't focus on announcement dates. However, I think this one is very interesting because that was less than a year after frozen came out. They knew they had struck gold. Mansion. So if you think about that timeline, what happened frozen released in November of two, thousand and thirteen, it was the thanksgiving release for that year. So their big blockbuster Thanksgiving release from the animation studio. Almost immediately maybe just a couple of months after ANA analyst started meeting in. Norway in the pavilion. Kind of right next to the bathrooms. A weird spot, but they built out a little area for them to meet and. That Saul massive crowds. Unbelievable crowds. Yeah. I, WANNA say in one of the videos we watched it talked about almost three hour lines just to me on Elsa and I feel like that is unheard of. Unless you're like a special event. So frozen mania was a real thing. So they decided to cash in, and so they made the announcement in two thousand fourteen that they would be replacing. Maelstrom with frozen ever after it took them around two years a little bit less than two years to construct it and open it. It opened the on June twenty first of two, thousand sixteen, which in my opinion is pretty quick turnaround I mean and in a lot of we'll talk about today they didn't have to create a branding ride. They just Kinda put frozen on top of nail storms maybe that has a lot to do with it but I, do think it's a pretty impressive turnaround. So. This is also the only current version of resin after after, but it's believed that the new frozen lands in Hong, Kong Tokyo an pairs. We'll have some sort of ride this. Again donors bowl too much but hopefully, a better version. Just maybe a few extra things and again, maybe the version that we have right now is just kind of like a base point and you know they were using something that they already had. So I would have to assume that if they were building something from scratch, it would be an updated version quick aside I know you guys have probably heard. Louis Barking at this point our dog we apologize. He's very excitable right now very vocal. So we apologize a hopefully he won't bar too many times throughout the rest of the episode but some people have said that they like when Louis makes an appearance malaria go louis officially entered the building. All right. So let's talk about the history of the Norway pavilion and of Maelstrom so. First off, Norway was never supposed to happen and that's kind of a little foreshadowing. To The pavilion into this rides story of kind of a theme that we will continue coming back to. So originally Disney wanted to create a Denmark pavilion and they even built a Denmark themed bathroom as a starting point for the project. So I know some of that structure for the bathroom is still there. I think it's kind of incorporated into the bakery. Portion is that your understanding as well or is it where the Norway bathrooms are now? I don't know honestly I have to go back and look because we watched videos and I feel like they very clearly showed the building. But I honestly never walked through epcot like searching, for Denmark architecture or looking at the bathrooms. So I honestly can't give you an answer right now. So when I open in nineteen eighty two, you would walk from Mexico. There's kind of this blank space blank canvas. You could tell something was coming to in the future. There's this one lonely little bathroom building sitting there before you got to China. So. Originally they wanted Denmark to come and that that idea expanded on itself and they wanted this whole scandanavia portion. So they reached out to Sweden. Finland Norway and Denmark to try to build this. Really expansive. Avian Themed Pavilion. Norway was the only one who could come up with the money It. Is Kinda funny I never even thought about the country's actually putting forth their own money to invest in this will will talk about it a little bit later but obviously, the big thing why country would invest in world showcase is to drive tourism and my wording was probably wrong last time so that they couldn't come up with money they chose not to come up with the money they did not. So they're left with Norway the only one but Disney still didn't let that dream die and you can see it in a lot of the early marketing for win the Norway Pavilion opened up in Nineteen eighty-eight they said Norway the gateway to Scandinavia. I wonder why they were against just saying Norway a guy wonder if they were maybe just holding onto hope or if they thought it would be cooler. It was all of those countries kind of put together and not really sure I. do believe that there was a portion of that. It had already leaked that they wanted more than just Norway. So this might have been a little bit of damage control as well. This is a broader discussion that we can have on world showcase at a later date, but you can also think about they had announced that countries like Spain we're coming as well that never came to fruition. So Norway Open as the eleventh world. Showcase country. In sadly, let's the last one. We've got nineteen eighty-eight was the last installment to showcase of course, been rumors upon rumors for years and years about countries like Brazil coming. Nothing has panned out yet yet. So. It opened like I said June third nineteen eighty eight a little less than six years after Epcot Center open. But maelstrom did not open with the rest of the Land Maelstrom saw delays and they pushed it back a month later to July fifth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight so. Not Too much longer. But if you think about the conception of male sherm or the inception of an attraction in Norway. They always the imaginary always knew that they wanted to include a ride in this specific pavilion. Specifically, they've really wanted a thrill ride as this was going to be the second installment for attractions in world showcase, which was already kind of a controversial topic, but it would be second to El Rio del Tiempo, which we now know as grain fiesta tour. They were. A lot of the early conceptions did have it as a boat ride however, it was not going to be. For lack of a better term, a boring boat ride because then it would essentially be the exact same as el Rio del Tiempo. So I don't know I. Think it's interesting that. Even, a lot of the early marketing. They said that Maelstrom was a thrill ride. Oh Yeah I mean and I think. In a lot of the other things that we've learned about imagineering and ride designed just over the course of doing this storytelling series, they are very intentional in they're always trying to draw people to certain areas and you know they are looking at it from like a whole park standpoint and by putting a thrill ride in the world showcase, they were trying to get some of those people out of the front of the park and into that back area of the park because. At this time period there wasn't a lot for people to do A lot of people didn't really see the hype. They probably weren't spending a lot of their time there. So I think they really hyped up the thrill factor just in. An effort to get people to actually go back there it is crazy to about how that's what they talk about a lot of times in the early days of Epcot. Everybody's been all of their time in future world in the land in the Seas Pavilion. And Nobody really went back into world showcase and now I feel like it is completely the opposite. You can walk for minutes without seeing anybody in future rolled anymore yet and I mean I think that's just because they put so much effort into festivals and making world showcase such an interesting area where you can see so many things in spend so much time I think maybe in the beginning that was lacking. So, of course, the Maelstrom that we got was not the original concept for what it was supposed to be as originally going to be called sea venture. And some of those early concepts were wild they really. Leaned in to norse mythology into trolls and it was quite weird and some of those early concepts, and of course, we mentioned that Norway was a sponsor at this time. They also had corporate sponsors. And so they. Previewed this. The concept art and and for what they wanted to build, and they did not buy it whatsoever. No I mean, and it makes sense if you think about it that they want people to want to go to Norway, they don't just want people to view Norway as like this. You know interesting crazy mythological place like they want to put their best foot forward So it makes sense. So if you think about the Maelstrom. Story for lack of a better term. It might be a good time at this point if you wanted to pause, please come back but pause and go watch appeal V of Maelstrom just. So you're familiar with some of the scenes that took place spare but that discussion between the diplomats in between the corporate sponsors in the imaginary led to kind of this hodgepodge between trolls, norse mythology but also real life scenes from Norway such as polar bears and oil rigs. And Yeah. It's interesting when at reading what some of the imagine years had to say in what they actually came up with they kind of went with what they call a time travel. Things that they could squeeze all of these things into this one ride. So it is very interesting. It's very different but I felt like once we kind of research had a better understanding for what the ride was trying to show. kind of made sense. Kind of. It was still kind of a hodgepodge I will always agree with that but the oil rigs were weird though oil rigs were weird and something that we didn't mention earlier is it was kind of their oil rigs that caused the ride not to open on time because that's where they wanted the thrill they wanted it to be like lightning and. Waves crashing in. Buckets of rain like you're in some kind of. You know storm they had a tesla coil and they were spraying water at you. And somehow they thought that was a good idea I thought maybe we shouldn't make electricity and water. Yeah. So that's where they had some issues too but ultimately. I mean. meltzer is pretty cool ride. There's also some urban legends I I guess there are religions at this point about some of those early concepts when they were doing these soft openings and they had the thrill turned all the way up at the very beginning that they said a reporter fell out of the boat one time on one of these rides and people came off. So from head to toe like worse than Splash Mountain worse than Kali. River. Rapids like they were even giving people punch before they went onto the attraction that you know that leads well into the gift store where you can buy those very, very expensive Norwegian jackets. They were onto something. There were one step ahead of the gift shop game. They need to put it before you ride there. So. As kind of the inception of how Maelstrom came to be it sat in back portion of Norway for over twenty five years before eventually decided to replace it with frozen. And you know obviously, they were following the money at that point that also are killing it in the meet-and-greet side merchandise is a gigantic deal for frozen and so they decided to ultimately pull the plug on it. There are still there still a few nods to Maelstrom that you can find in Fresno never after I it is pretty much besides the very very beginning portion of it. The exact same track as Maelstrom and I, think it's actually the same track just move the loading and unloading zone, right? Yeah. They made it so that you load and unload in the same spot whereas in Maelstrom, you had your own section and they kind of pushed everything back. So the frozen ride the. I guess the story of the ride starts earlier than it did with Maelstrom. And just for. To be technically correct you do load and unload different spots on frozen but they're in the same room they're back to back. Okay. Yes. It's not like that it's all open correct It's not like pirates where it's completely different earns that's l.. Maelstrom was setup. Yes. So. Same track in the queue, you can see woodcarvings in part of Aaron del Valle depicting the polar bear scene for a Maelstrom. I've heard that you can see puffins somewhere to which puffins were part of Maelstrom. I. Haven't seen him. Anybody knows where the puffins. Sorry let me know maybe their next to the polar bear and I've just been fascinated by the polar bear and missed it. Honestly, we haven't spent too much time in the frozen ever after Q. It's been a while honestly because it is one that if you're going to epcot, you would typically grab a fast past what is that? I know now it's not a thing but. I mean you would usually. Last one I thought was pretty cool. It was when you're climbing the waterfall So frozen ever after it's depicting that you're climbing into. Else's Ice Castle in Maelstrom you're climbing a waterfall. and. It used to be that the light was shining through Odinga's I. Yeah. That Odin. From four and I guess from Doors Horses Holiday Brendan. Norse. Mythology pull it for marvel. Definitely. Okay. One hundred. That's how that time line worked out They cut that same light and they just put an ice castle over top of. Which? Say It's cheap. I mean Disney knows how to save money and make money I'll give him at. So. That is kind of the background for how Mellstrom started how it ended. How frozen came to. Be. And there's just a couple of points that I wanNA make based off of the discussion that we've had so far so. As with many rides and we've we've had this discussion time time before is that the ride that got pushed to production and out to the public was not with the imaginary it. and. I think you see a lot of these stories where that happens. that. I don't know of resentment is the right word. But. When they see an opportunity to pull it back. They, take it a lot of times. Well I, I would agree with that because you know these imagine Yars, I can imagine they take a lot of pride in their work in their creativity in that kind of freedom to do. So and I can imagine it's never really a fun process to kind of have to give that up in a way just to fit you know maybe the agenda of someone else that you're working with and it definitely doesn't give them that same kind of ownership that they would have over something that maybe they had complete creative freedom over. I do think it probably made Maelstrom little bit easier to let go. Instead, of the executives and the diplomats from their sponsors and from Norway kind of handcuff them on their creative freedom. So I can't speak for the imaginary us. But if I was in their position, I would feel that way that you're not completely satisfied with how everything played out. Well. There's always that like what if you know? So I also want to point out because I honestly don't WanNa talk about the rest of the episode because it's that horrific. The movie that they made you watch for a period of time they made you watch it after mouse trump just like they make you go into a store and then it became optional after that and then some days they didn't even run it. But the movie that followed Maelstrom. I will go on record and say that was the most board I've ever been in my entire life. I. Honestly don't ever remember watching it. Maybe every time I only road maelstrom maybe the Ri- or the movie wasn't showing after the ride and we just got to skip it but I do not remember that I remember vividly as a child when they would make you watch out in which I know that's quote unquote. There were people that get A. Found a way my family rule followers he stayed. We stayed and we watched and I would go kicking and screaming into writing Maelstrom not because I dislike the ride. Which I kind of did it was scary for me. but because I didn't WanNa Watch the stupid movie at the end. It released in nineteen, eighty eight with the ride and I feel like it was almost immediately outdated. Yeah and I did read some of that in some of the things that I read just that you know at one point as that transition between the Norway pavilion having sponsors and then it turning back over to Disney, you know there was the option for the video to get redone and some people offered to do it for free. But Disney wanted Norway to pay for it and there was a lot of disagreement about who was GONNA pay for this new update in an eventually they just got rid of it. They knew it needed to be updated. We knew it needed to be updated. But it just never got done up. So a couple of other things that were in the works that ultimately led to maelstroms demise were sponsorships pulled out. So long before this, I can't remember what year it was but I think it was before the two thousands. I don't remember it wasn't very long that both Norway and their corporate sponsorships pulled out from funding the pavilion. So latte. Left it all on Disney but it also freed them up where they don't have to watch tourism numbers as much NC correlations between people who visit. And people who go to Norway. And so I think that also freed up, you know maybe some ties that they previously had. and. Then one last question that we can move in its discussion that we probably have to have at some point during this episode. Is. I used to be team intellectual property in gun. I thought the more the Merrier I go to Disney to see. Disney characters. And I feel like learning the story of Maelstrom in the Norway Pavilion has rattled me a bit on that stance. Alamos really reconsidering that. that. I don't know hearing the Prince of Norway speak at the opening. Made. Me Realize how. How much effort and Strides were making were make. Making. Were made to give you a real cultural representation of these countries. And so. I don't know I. Don't know if you're stances chance. either. But just something to think about. Yeah we did have this conversation and you know maybe after we finish sharing everything that we researched, you'll have a better idea and you can kind of make your own decision but I do appreciate more of the time and effort that went into the planning of the Norway. Pavilion in making accurate and you know the research and all of that, I'm always very interested in that same thing with you know animal kingdom and everything that we talked about over there. But I do think still that there is room for both like I don't mind so much having an intellectual property ride but maybe keeping everything else culturally appropriate. If that makes sense because I do think there's room for both and I think you know maybe it's just a good gateway to get kids interested in the different. In the different countries in going back into world showcase and giving them something to look forward to that, they can kinda grow up with I. Think there is room for that but you know even in my research I think Disney does a really good job of even trying to. You know show some of those cultural features, angiographic features of Norway in frozen. So it's not like they just throw something together and completely forget about the history or the background. That's kind of where I think there's still room for both where I get hung up on though. Is If you look at the gift shops. This is about the only one. That is pure Disney Merchandise Disney, licensed plush dolls jammed down your throat. You don't really see that in too many other pavilion gift shops. Met The I don't necessarily agree with that because once you get past the frozen down your throat, they do still have like the troll gift shop where they still sell. They're really expensive jackets and Cologne people love that. Cologne, for some reason really yeah, that's interesting. We'll have to smell it sometime, but they do have a small portion of like Norway authentic merchandise. I don't think it's probably nearly as popular as the frozen merchandise, which is why they put so much of it there, but they still have it. I. Guess my point is Moulana opens up in two days. Do you. Think you're GonNa Find Milan merchant the China Pavilion. Mary small amounts. Exactly. I don't know. It's two different movies though you can't compare Mulan like this to frozen. I don't know that's just where I keep getting hung up. Fairness. Though the next thing that I wanted to talk about was just some of the research that imaginary did for the Norway Pavilion because I do think it's important to kind of set the scene for where the ride is located and again, just to kind of showcase some of the care and attention to detail that these imaginary put in to this space. So first off some notable imagine irs we have just Jeff Burton was the Maelstrom Project Manager. Bob Kurtz will? Kurtz. We'll who was the attraction designer for Maelstrom we're going to do a whole episode of Catherine tries to pronounce names it in the bloopers in the back isn't a long day. I'm still teaching. You know I'll just use that as my crunch. I can't say the kids names either. But. He also came up with the idea of time traveling through the history of Norway. So thank you bob for that. Bright Joe Rhody, who I had to mention as soon as I saw, his name is just lit up he designed the boats as some of his very first concept work as an engineer. So jodie. Had Assay in Maelstrom and then because it's the boats he had to say in frozen. Maybe. The boats is the extent of that stay I don't know exactly but. Drug you as a frozen guy. Necessarily but. With some of the things that we're GONNA. Talk about I think it might be up his alley and that was just bonus points to me. So frozen just went up a couple notches because Joe Rhody touched it and then Jack Fergie's built the model for the ride vehicle ship and sculpted some of the designs for the polar bears and that was the last project that he did before he retired though some big names, how much would you pay for one of those polar bears now? What will we do with that? They were huge. Put It in our bedroom helmet, God. No, that's terrifying. That's like people who have stuffed bears and. You know like things that they shoot like in their house. That's terrifying. I. Want the polar bear from Maelstrom or okay. How about a puffins? Would take. A puff and speed. The Norway Pavilion itself is designed to look like a typical Norwegian village and it actually teaches four different styles of Norwegian architecture. Here we go. It's the sets the doll. These you do this show a stall. Either rest. Bergen style Oslo Style and a loosened sil-. Out A of that. But for different kinds of architecture, and of course, in order to actually study these types of architecture, they made a trip over there. They did their research, they wanted it to be as accurate as possible and other features of the Norway pavilion include the Stave Church which is based on the. Wealth Twelve AB Gol Stave Church which is in Norway, and this is a small little church. I don't know how often people go in there because usually when we're in there, it's completely empty. But that's where you can actually learn more about the norse mythology and you can see the real backgrounds of people like Odin and thor and Loki. Not, the Marvel version, the actual mythological version. Which is pretty interesting and it talks now some others as well. But those are the big names of course, and then it also hosts the accuracy use restaurant which resembles and is named after the ACURA shoes fortress in Oslo. Place me. Do, they have real princesses there. I would doubt it that came later buffet. No definitely not is it a mask relaxations? Getting carried away. But this Kinda also carries over into the research that Disney did for frozen though before we're actually going to get into the story of frozen ever after we have to talk about frozen and frozen is loosely based on Hans Christian Andersen Fairy Tale. The Snow Queen and loosely is the keyword there because here in just a second, I'm going to tell you the story of the Snow Queen and it is vastly different and very, very strange this. was published in eighteen, forty five maybe that has something to do with it but they Disney being day opted to take the sister family approach in telling the story because they needed to better develop the characters and they needed to have a better story line. So instead of just following one person by following on a Elsa and their differences, it kind of made for a better story which I mean I love it. So it is a better story. Are you ready for this Brinton with? The background on the Snow Queen itself. This is the story of two young playmate. So you have a boy named Kai in a girl named Gerda. Satan. Yes and his demons carry around a mirror that shows people that ugliness inside themselves but it gets broken when they attempt to fly up to heaven. Therefore, all of these mirror shards fly around earth and randomly affect people when they hit them and it basically causes them to see only the worst in people. And it causes crazy erotic behavior nude swings crazy things. The one day when Kai in Gert are playing outside one of these mirror pieces lands in KYW's I- tragic and kyw cruel aggressive and the only thing he cares about now is snowflakes. Weird very weird. You only cares about snowflakes I guess because it's knowing and that's what he can see through these mirror pieces that are now in his eyes. kyw Is al in the town just kind of wandering around and he gets taken by the Snow Queen. which kind of alludes to the snow queen being a villain at one point in time, Disney was actually considering making elsa the villain. Fun Fact. So this no queen carries him off on her sleigh and kisses him twice one time to numb him from the snow. Thanks for that Snow Queen and then the second time to make him forget about the people that they're leaving behind Gerda of course is heartbreaking being his friend when the townspeople insists that he probably just died in the nearby river they just assumed they didn't go look for him and Gerda does want to believe the townspeople. So instead, she decides to go out to search for her lost friend and who does she take along with her? A Reindeer Gerda in a reindeer, go out to find Kai and they save him with the power of love. So. Right there. In that last sentence, you can basically see. A big majority of what Disney pulls from the actual Snow Queen. We've got a reindeer and we have love conquers all basically do we have a snowman? I did not read about any snowman. Now marshmallows no no loss. So, miserable original. Those are all original. So you know most of the story line for frozen is original because again it's pulling very very loosely. But that is just in case you're wondering what is the Snow Queen There it is. So basically, after Disney had that understanding of the Snow Queen and kind of develop their characters, they needed to get some realistic inspiration and this is what I love so much about Disney and you know what that means. It means they have to go on trips. They went to some pretty interesting places. Typically, you just think they're going to go to Norway, but they did not just go to Norway. They sent the animators to Wyoming. So that they could become familiar with walking in snow. And they came up with all kinds of very interesting techniques because of it so that they could get. You know if you've ever walked through snow kind of that sinking as you go through those different levels. So I thought that was pretty cool. They sent lighting in art teams to go to an ice hotel in Quebec to see how the light reflects in racks on snow and ice, and then finally they traveled to Norway together inspiration for the look of the film. So that's when they took in a lot of things for the. Geography Ice Mountains Water fjords they incorporated all of those things and if you look at pictures of Norway and compare them to this scenery that UCF frozen I, mean they're spot on and then they also took smaller things like clothing and architectural features and incorporated that into the movie. I hate to be that guy but but then they took everything that learned and didn't put any of it into this ride. But it's on the outside. So went away. You know it's in the pavilions still. Yeah but. If you think about we're about to talk about the scenes frozen ever after. Everything about them. You don't Seaney fjords. You don't see any mountains. You see a bunch of ice and a bunch of screens for backdrops. We're starting to catch a glimpse set maybe how you really feel about this ride. Maybe. Maybe just a little. Let's talk about the story of frozen ever after. So I was actually kind of unfamiliar with this story and you guys may be more familiar with it than I am but the ride commemorates the anniversary of the day that Queen Elsa saved her sister at this point in the story and the time line she's still Princess Ana of Leasing Fresno by now. And through her unselfish act of true love shoes able to save her sister. The story goes that to celebrate Elsa planned on an official summer snow day and has invited all of us in all of Arundel to take part in the celebration. So you enter into earned L. at the beginning of the queue while you walk through the Wandering Oakland Trading Post, and Sauna. Openness in there saying you who in this family in there two with them sometimes yeah. I mean you get different scenes depending on when you walk through. So sometimes, it might be just him other times. It's the family, but there's always a you who So you see, that's the staple of the Q. The rest are just kind of various buildings that are. Scattered throughout Aaron del You then board onto your boat and you encounter Olaf and spend singing. Do you WANNA build a snowman before GRANDPA. Is telling little pebbles, the story rental trolls of on an se I think they're a little pebbles a little trouble pebbles. After You Pass grandpappy. You ascend in else ice pilots where then you find Olaf again and you see. Christoph and since spin singing for the first time in forever. After you pass, they're seeing to gates open where else agreed to you with. Let it go. And once you've reached her, she cast a spell for lack of a better term moves the ice. I. Guess as a better he uses her magical powers and she moves your boat over and pushes you backwards down. Or. Then you. End Your sent by being cornered by marshmallow and the other little marshmallow vets. They have a correct term I don't know one is. and. Then you switch over to go forward again were you go down find the big? Finale of ANA LC, Elsa and OLAF singing in summer. So. Did you know that story beforehand? I did just because I had read about just the right itself before just briefly nothing crazy. But I did know it was an original story. You know they're not just retelling frozen, which is what a lot of dark rides do. So I did appreciate that. Kind of twist on just a typical dark ride that they did a little something different And I mean I guess I knew that really the whole purpose of their ride was just to bring you up to else's ice palace into celebrate. Because they kind of mention if you listen closely in the words, it's not the exact songs. I mean they do change the lyrics a little bit to kind of reflect what happening like I think at the very beginning Olaf says something about how you're celebrating in. That's why you're going up to the Ice Palace. I just think like for both of us. A big theme of attractions that we really really enjoy is that the story starts unfolding. and. You get glimpses into what is happening before you get on the ride vehicle. And I don't necessarily think that happens here. Because Erin del cannot creep out into the Norway pavilion. So that is still keeps its integrity. As a Norway pavilion whatever's left. and. You're not really encountering anything else throughout the queue to give you a glimpse into what's happening. There's one. Sign. One poster right when you walk in yes. That I can picture right now and I don't know what exactly says but it is some kind of declaration about how you are being invited in and on a normal day you know it's if the line is moving faster. If you had a fast pass, you would definitely probably just walked by not read it but I do know there is one piece of signs. In the front like in that front room can area that says something about you know celebrating because of else's selfless act. So I think it is easy to Miss I. Think maybe they could have put more like flyers out or something like it was like a town festival or decree or you're being invited maybe there would be more invitations just to make sure that everybody understood what was going on but that's really the only thing that stands out to me as far as like you said, setting the scene for what's taking place in telling that story. So think the only other time that you really get a glimpse into it on the ride. Is I think Olaf has maybe a line at the very beginning and then grandpappy. Telling the story to the young trolls. Yeah. But. Other than that you sort of have to piece it together yourself I. Think. Yeah once you get past that I seen in especially once you do reach Elsa I mean it's her singing. Let it go which I liked song obviously like the movie but that's what it is. She singing let it go. She pushes you back. You see a lot of projections in snowflakes and then when he reached marshmallow, you know I don't know really how he progresses the story. He gets you back down the mountain in. The. I mean I think that's his purpose. So I always thought that he said, let it go last time you wrote it. You wrote without me you thought he said something different. I. Couldn't understand what he said last time but I bought from memory that he said get out or something like that. He definitely didn't say get out this pastime that I wrote it. So I honestly have no clue what he said I'm almost positive. He says let it go. That's I. Don't know I could not understand him this last time I wrote I love if anybody knows what he says, I would love to know what he said because I could not catch it and it is not get out. So I'll can leave my. I was GONNA tell leave my opinions out of this but I guess we're past that point. Well, we're about to give our Neverland's score at first we gotta hear from our facebook friends. So if you would like next week for us to share your score and your stories from this attraction over to our facebook group at detoured in Ireland podcast community, the linked to that is in our show notes as go join us over there every Monday or Tuesday we post what ride we are doing, and you can share your score for to read on Air so I off is Jake. Who made this scoring system for us has never been on frozen ever after or Maelstrom. While he said, he doesn't remember, Maelstrom There's a chance he got to write it as a kid like we did and it just like when over his head. So. I Know Jake is coming down pretty soon to Disneyworld maybe he'll get on I know for after we'll have to get his. Fresh opinion. Yes. His score for us. So our foreign, Catherine said she gave it a four point, two five I loved Maelstrom and cannot mention resin without talking about it too as far as updating. I'm not sure how they'd updated I guess it's good to point out that I pose some questions people as well. Saying, can you talk about this right without mentioning Maelstrom, do you think it needs to be updated frozen to are the animatronic too creepy for you And do you know what the story is? You'll see some responses to those props here. Make Sense. Erica said okay when I went in two thousand sixteen, it was changing over so we never got to ride the original which is sad we didn't know what it would. We didn't know it would go backwards so that was a surprise but we did think animation looked very odd from most angles and she gave it a five and a half Sean gave it a five. So similar scores at amateur onyx are really impressive never breaks down like Maelstrom, but I would never stand by. Line this attraction that's Bavarian Pretzel Time in Germany March. You know you gotTa keep moving. You GotTa get through world showcase your enough I will say that little bakery Norway though has some really good things. We typically would eat their breakfast when we were the crazy people who would like run back there to ride frozen on vacation they have some really good breakfast back there. You remember the good old days of roped dropping frozen river after people lost their minds. We were literally those people. We've done some pretty shady stuff to get on rides me and Liz running through the parking lot to get a rise boarding pass you in me writing a running back to get in line for frozen. Rewrote drop. Here's a lot of running in Disney. We've never fought a passage. Now now, maybe we just need that that would be far out there for us. We can't run that fast. Stacey said she gave it a six point two five. I'm always at Disney with kids. So that may influence this I love this ride I never went on Maelstrom but I did watch a ride through of it and it looks like it was a little creepy third anyone who love that ride frozen is by far the biggest draw for little kids is the perfect addition to world showcase I. Don't think it needs everything, but it would be fun to see frozen two elements added in eventually. So a lot of things that we talked about as far as kids and Just the right overall. I will say our niece love this run will. She falls into the kid category. Yep Lawrence. Said I give it a four point, seven five. It's fine. But the animatronic projection faces are creepy and basically a sucker for a dark water ride though loved Maelstrom as a kid. So this is a downgrade. And then Ryan said I. Think Ryan was channeling my exact opinions okay. Most of this, he said a solid five based on the chart the animatronic are fine. They just don't photograph well, and they certainly looked better than the general hugs animatronic resistance. That's another discussion for another day. As far as the story, you're going to visit Elza in her eyes castle and then she send you back to Arundel proper. There's also a great little bit with Olaf. You don't always here where he says he doesn't know the words to the song on Christopher singing. Yes. So right when you get into the Ice Palace, there's that little where he's ice skating and he his dialogue is funny you have to listen to avert next. Normal. People can talk about this attraction without mentioning Maelstrom but Disney fans surely can't for what it's worth Maelstrom had less of a story. It was just a showcase of things that corporate sponsors wanted followed by the most boring film presentation and world showcase. Right there. Synopsis of everything. So that's it from facebook. So we thank everybody for submitting their scores and their opinions. I think I agree with everybody? Yeah. All Right Catherine. What is your score? I gave this a six and I do wish I could have rated it a little bit higher but I just don't think all of these things were there I completely agree with you I don't know how I didn't bring it up earlier but I agree with everyone who mentioned the animatronic because I do not like them I. Honestly don't like the whole projection on the faces I'm a sucker for a real animatronic just think they're cooler. You're on a roll of saying animatronic correctly we'll knock on wood. See I think the same style as the one that using seven yours mine I think it works there. For some reason it doesn't work here I almost think. It's I hate to say this. No I hate to say this argue closer to the ones in the frozen ride is that why? Is it look weird like up close. I don't know to me what I always about it is especially on it because she's a little bit Tanner Than Elsa. There is such dark contrast between the light hitting her face and like her jaw line you can see the makeup line. Yes. She didn't blend very well. I know what the word was. Go She need more contour that right she probably has too much Oh too much contour. I. Appreciate. But my top score was honestly just smiling from ear to ear. So the smile factor because it does make me smile I mean how could you not? I think my lowest scores well, they were all kind of in the same category but nostalgia again because it is a new ride and then I'd say. Just like real factor I, just kind of thrilling because there are some drops but in the grand scheme of things. Not Super Thrilling. I gave it. This is probably the biggest discrepancy we've ever had I gave it a four and a half. So our point and a half off from each other. I was pretty much middle the road like may almost everything. The only thing that I scored a pretty high an was fast paced worthiness. That's just just because of how epcot lays out. Well, and it's interesting because we had this conversation before we started to record that this is probably the first and maybe last will see ride that the research actually made us dislike the ride more like typically when we do our research and we get to learn about the stories in the history of the rides, it gives us a better appreciation and you know that's like what we saw for Kali River rapids. But for this ride, we could almost appreciate the effort that went into the Norway pavilion and mouse from more than effort that went into frozen and. Maybe. It's just because we like the history part of it, but not that we don't like the ride but. I do almost wished that we could've kept both. Will that was my point and that's what I put in my notes is that I think it is possible to think these two things at the same time. It was time for Maelstrom to go. And frozen ever after should not be there. I think it should have been replaced something else or Maelstrom show got an update but frozen is worthy something so much more than a boat ride and Epcot. And not even its own boat ride just a re skinning of a previous attraction. An. Oh I see what you're saying. Where do you think this would fit better. There's two places that stand out to me. I think you could make it work in Hollywood studios. Okay. You have a toy story land already broken that barrier that you build immersive lands. In Galaxy's edge as well. So Knockdown Indiana Jones, put it going out that way. Okay I. Don't know how the geography lights albums is probably not much rain there but anyway. I think Hollywood, studios work. But for me if you if you just getting one attraction, that's fine. I. Think Fantasy Land. Would make more sense. HOW WOULD YOU BE? Okay so we kinda mentioned that beginning. There are all of these frozen lands coming to Hong Kong Tokyo and Paris. Would you be okay of storybook circus went away when we got Arundel. Me Personally, yes. Because I'm super jealous of anyone getting a frozen land I think it's just going to be stunning. but. They dumbo back there that would be so hard to do. Well. Yeah you had. You would almost have to reconfigure that and push it back in the train back there. What train. No we haven't had the train is always there I know. A lot of things not the train, but we haven't had in so long. I miss it, I know. I think that would be a good spot for I completely agree with Fantasyland but I don't I don't know how you could get rid of storybook circus. Okay One other problems we can play this game all day. Good but Princess Fairytale Hall. Who Cares about that? Yeah that could go I. Just wonder if it would be big enough that used to house. What was there? Yeah but that was so small in Disneyland is so Smarr I'm just saying. There's there's things in fantasy land that not many people enjoy anymore. And I think frozen would fit into that. Very nicely. I could see that. And I just I think it's cheap to put in an epcot. And I feel like that's harsh terminology. On like. We hate when Disney makes these corporate moves of something that you can see as purely money driven. This one's money driven. It is and I think you know the time line shows us that the I guess kind of money saving things that they did by just overlaying on Maelstrom and even keeping a lot of those same things like you said with is I in that first scene and just putting the castle on top of it I mean there are a lot of things that show us that but Hopefully. Next time you ride maybe you'll catch on some of those things. Maybe you'll find a puffins for us. Next thing to look for big ice by and. I don't know maybe we'll keep doing research and we'll find out more. Yup. Just one last thing i. just feel like the story there's such a deep story that you could tell with Fresno traction and I think they missed it here. Just, from a storytelling us back this week. I agree and disagree, I, think I appreciate that it's a new story. I. Don't maybe think that they executed it as well as they could have I mean because having celebration. For this act this act of selflessness. Love you know whatever you WANNA call it. I think maybe they could have done a little more with it. 'cause aren't even know what other kind of story they could come up with I. Mean it's Disney. So I'm sure they could come up with anything but I appreciate it that it's a new story. I don't necessarily agree that it's done in the best way. So. Hopefully this was helpful. Overly spark. Some good discussion made you think a little bit. Next time you ride it. If there's something that we missed completely, let us know something that would help us get a deeper appreciation for because that is our whole goal here. Next week Catherine what attraction do you want to do? We're headed to Hollywood studios we are. So for next week I choose star tour's. Probably another one that we have to talk about Disneyland and Hollywood studios simultaneously. So we will do our best to catcher that another some deep deep history about how star tours came to be and it was a deal. So we will try to capture that next week on next Wednesday's episode on Monday. We have another interview with you guys with Shannon from second star collective. So we look forward to sharing that with you. Hope you have a wonderful rest of your week and a wonderful weekend, and we will talk to you next Monday. You listening to Detour Neverland make sure. You enjoyed the show between episode. You can find us on instagram at detoured and every land or visit detoured ever learn dot com. We appreciate you letting us be part of your day. So you real soon.

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When You Have A Secret: Guest  Emma Dowd

James Miller | Lifeology

28:59 min | 7 months ago

When You Have A Secret: Guest Emma Dowd

"Welcome to life. Algae i james miller your host and a licensed psychotherapist. I'm looking forward to spending this time with you. As we learned some pretty amazing life lessons. Let's get started. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to listen to the show when you're done listening. I hope you take a minute and write a quick review on whichever radio podcast platform. You've heard this show. Your insights will help others to be inspired and encouraged. Today's episode is different from the usual format of the show. Where i teach you a life lesson that prepares you so you have a better understanding of what my guests will be talking about. One thing i love about life. Algae is our life. Experiences may be completely different but we all feel the same types of emotions. Listen to my guess story here. The emotions that were experienced and reflect a time when you experience similar emotions and doing so you'll start to realize that people who seem so different than us are not so different after all. I have a very special guest today. Who in two thousand and twenty a life. Changing event occurred exposing a secret. He held for forty years. He was a hermaphrodite and now he's body showed forcing him to live the true life and tell the story of struggle in achievement welcomed by show. Emma taher you it is such a pleasure to meet the this version of you. I had the pleasure of actually meeting you. Back in two thousand and seventeen when i was part of a majority of broadcasting group. So it's a pleasure to meet this version of your this truth with you. The true self. Yes he wouldn't yeah. It's quite fascinating. I i told you in. The pre call was the facebook. God's connected as soon as we connected back in two thousand seventeen. But when i saw the pictures review on your facebook profile it just seventy just seemed off and i don't say that as i'm some psychic or something but in my field in psychology it's easy to look at different people how comfortable they feel themselves and the pictures i saw i could tell you just didn't feel comfortable and that is noted it and filed it away for another day. I suppose today you're you're totally right though. I was not comfortable in myself. And i had to wear big your closing to hide some things and it was. It was a struggle was really mistrial. District's plan to people. What does hermaphrodite. What does that mean. A hermaphrodite is means. You're born with both genitals or both reproductive system or both Just and now they're not always one of them's not always functioning. Is that correct correct. Yes yeah and i know. He's an expert in this. I an expert more expert in psychology. But i can definitely speak more of a conversational level of what this is. I do know that the intersex that category is an umbrella of umbrella term for individuals who have different characteristics than to quote binary male. Female the typical. I use that word in quotes typical gender assignment when it comes to male female correct that's correct now individuals who do watch this. I totally butcher. That i know that so i know you can feel free to correct me that i'm totally all right. So let's talk about you so for you for forty one years this you had a secret. What when you were born. What what does your parents say what will happen there. I really didn't know that was the funny thing. 'cause they'd kept it really quiet too so the thing about it was. I didn't know until i was in about eleven th grade because i went into I had the male genitals but the female reproductive system ahead inside so nobody's and and what ended up happening was i went. I went to the doctor because they started having like this pain underneath my one of my nipple and i thought oh my goodness could probably be cancer so i decided because i was eighteen at the time actually was eighteen. My junior year. Believe i graduated when i was. I didn't get held back because of grades. It just that's how it ended up in a move down here so I had a actual insurance. I had everything. You can imagine a job so i went and paid for it. I didn't want to get my mom and dad upset in. There was nothing well when i went there. They took it and they said that. Usually breath brushed developments. What they said. Can we take a blood sample. And do a hormone. You know check. Ryan came back that i had a hundred percent of the same levels as biological female profession. Oh yes and. I shouldn't have shouldn't have that at all so what they did. They put me on testosterone regimen and that helps stop the breast development but also cost me my hair. It gave me a little bit of a goatee. And that's about all. I ever got from it and i never had never really had shaped patriots and Just some other little little odds and ends. That made me stick out more as a man which made easier p for you know because you have to sit there and change out and then it was probably later that year or even my into my senior year. I can't remember exactly what i thought. I had a bleeding. And i started having that early but i just kind of put it off because the cancer is more so i went and got a sonogram or ultrasound. I can't remember which when they did but it turned out that they found out. I had a uterus and it was working uterus. I did not have. I did not have a bleeding at all. But i was losing blood so technically it was a functioning problem and i just had no way of expelling it so i got very very sick once a month. Wow wow i'm sure some people listening to your if you've never heard of something like this which unfortunately is it's very common in many people many people don't ever find out like yourself you find out later on some people do not and so there. Is this the spectrum of knowledge and of course ignorance for for many people as well. I wanna go back. How was it for you as a child. I mean did you. Did you feel different than anybody else. I did completely especially like in kindergarten. You know how we had those little sections where you do like different types of activities to help stimulate growth and stuff but we have house and they always made me play the wrong roles. It's like either be the father. The brother the mother grandfather such. I didn't relate to that i'm like why are you this so i would just like walk away. Go play by myself. Of course got in trouble with teachers. you know. he's not being social and stuff so all right. That's a problem. And then one time i came home. 'cause i always thought of female acted like a female everything i came home in in my I told my mom that. I wanted to marry my friend. Michael bogart and she goes. Oh no you can't do that. And was right in front next door neighbor so he completely like making fun of me on putting my mom on edge and she goes look. I don't care what you say she goes but you say it and how you don't say it outside and so then when i real and she goes you got act like a boy and that's really the first time i was told i was a boy so what i did was. I decided not to ever let that horrifying experience of watching my parents get humiliated and megan humiliated. So i kind of regressed and became like a hermit. I i call it. I was hiding places. And i didn't have anybody to look out to kind of understand what a guy is about because i have a younger brother but he's younger he wouldn't have known yet m. I doubt traveling all the time. So what i would do is. I would watch other boys in school. I would mimic what they liked. Admendment what they do and how they say. And i would make sure that i checked everything so i didn't have like these mannerisms or i didn't say anything that would bring on that. That situation where people would be like. What's wrong with her. What's wrong with him as you get and it slipped out one time and i got severely bullied for the rest of my brother rest of my childhood really and they were wrong but they still voted me to the point of of of major problems. I mean they through. I have to wear makeup now. Because i have scarves all the way down this year and over here because they threw Bones deletion on that stuff that you build with straight off face. I lost half my eyebrows. Don't have all my eyebrows at the draw that in I also got fertilizer thrown in my face and down my mouth. So that kind of screwed up so i had my close stapleton. My back i had. I was hit by a car. A couple of times not directly but just enough to click with the with the mirror on purpose so this horrible things and i pretty much just avoided everybody. I didn't know who to trust. I didn't know how i could be safe so my idea was just shut up. Do i need to do to get out of school and just go on with my normal day and just don't really have any friends. Yeah a talk about loneliness. How lonely were you came in. Imagine what it was like beverley. Because like even when i would come like my typical day from high school was i would come home. I would. I would leave about six. Am seven am to come back to. I'd have like an hour to myself. And then i would go to work and of course while i'm at school and when i'm at work i can't i can't be myself. I can't let let my guard down. So i will come back around nine ten o'clock at night. My mom was technically a working. When i got home. She was tired sleeping. So i would do my homework and that would be my happy i am. I guess i call it emma after dark. But it's it's where i i just let out i kept my sanity by doing let out and i would just i would. I would eat. Whatever i wanted to eat didn't care. Stay up as late as stayed up. I didn't care. I would go out and listen to music. I didn't care. I just i had fun and yeah so that kind of kept my my things under control. But i didn't have any friends had maybe one or two friends and that was it and i can only say i had like maybe one really really good friend and the rest of them were just like. I didn't trust him. I mean. I did trust him. I liked him. But i wouldn't have never told them this type of secret so i i never had sleepovers i because i couldn't do this all night. I never had anybody over my house over there for a little bit. You know i would try to things and then people got annoyed because it's like okay. I know guys like football. So i i am the be good and so i would literally bombard them with information that they didn't i you know. So then yeah. So they're like oh he's the weird one and it's like all right so i just i took to art. I took to writing. I took to other things that would help me express myself released my my sadness attention. But gimme some type of comfort and companionship. But my dog was great to exactly now. I know you're i know you're photographers about your on my show a couple years ago. We talked about that but the photographer you've done. The diversity diversity was muslim portfolio but exhibit. You had before the cultural diversity which is wonderful was helpful for you to dairy helpful because what that day was it allowed me to show the world my my world through my eyes so i can literally and if you notice it most of it was female and most of those costumes crazy costumes stuff i would wear. I would wear that it. That was me coming out in my in my photos but people just never really realized it. But i told stories to and i always focused on the ugly because i always thought ugly so i always saw that no matter how ugly something is. Something has a story in his beauty in it. Look so that's what i did. And that's what i did with my with my art work and it always has a big hit. The most powerful pitcher i've ever taken was called the fallen angel and most my most of my social media is fallen angel. It was my vision of myself an angel. The fallen from heaven rejected by everybody forced to live in in in isolation and pain and suffering and solitude and When i told my mom that she really freaked out she goes. I had no idea. But that's that's how i got through it but you can still see that no matter what she's pretty she's got strengths. She's got you possibly want but she just got put in a situation beyond your control to hear you say that it's do here all that strength. They hear all that resilience. How does he reconcile with that. Because they'd be bullied to be treated in such a way to ostracize casts out all of those things here. You talk about this. I mean you can talk about it with such ease. And i say that respectfully obviously what's going on inside of you because you're good at masking apparently the how. How is it for you to sit here. Hear yourself say this tell. Your story is a listener. How would you. How would you hear that honestly for me. It's very emotional i. It's very hard for me to even get on here today. Because i was like i was trying to figure out i was trying to like call myself down and i know it's emotional but the one thing that i always i could be probably when the angriest people you'd ever meet and i have every right to do but on the other hand i keep seeing that there's so much there's so much good i could do that. I decided to take all the hate that was ever thrown my way and turn it into something positive for not only me but the world around me. I wanted to make the world of beautiful place for people to live in. I wanted to give a smile to anybody that needs because i believe they need to see that smile and it makes them smile. Then i for reason. And that's what i'm going to do. I'm going to continue spreading love and sheer beauty. As any which way that i can push it amazing you are married. Tell me more about that. And that was talked. Imagine i honestly never had any interest in females. Honestly until i met my wife and never dated in school obviously either for obvious reasons so it was tough and when i got out of school in what i don't go to bars. Don't go to anything. I'm never gonna find anybody and i didn't know. I thought that i was going to be the way i was so i train. My brain to look at females and it was Right after school. I got married. Believe it or not. I met her. Read the ice palace I was i was at security guard and she was a ticker at the ice house. Tampa bay lightning play. And so we. We met do that and and she called me over. This is how we met at the who concert because the guy was dancing on the chairs and the holdup kind right at right on the state i said you can't you can dance or whatever you want. Just don't dance on this. You can get seriously hurt listens. You're heavy so he said okay so he went back he she did it again. He she called me over backwards like two or three times. The last time. I came up there What ended up happening was he had a box of he had a bag of cocaine that fell out of his out of his bail out of his leg when he got upset and had and had the tantrums. So that's how. I met my wife and you know honestly i didn't think any of this was ever gonna come out so i was. I really laid up. Good as best as i could but it was twice as hard on me because literally. I had somebody near me all the time so the only time i got to give myself a little bit of reprieve. Was it like eleven o'clock twelve o'clock at night when all my work was done and she was sleeping then it would come in and do my math dark year in this room so it was a lot of fun and It may it gave me a little bit of peace but what was really with the worst part was when she found out what was going on and i had to tell her and i didn't know with joshua i can't yeah i mean yeah so walk me through that so we'll be back up because you had been to have a did you have a hit to head or something i did. I came out my or friday really sick dog. And i don't believe in putting animals down because i have that mess and honestly i should be put down to because i'm suffering but i don't so i don't believe in that so he was sick and he was having some trouble and i came out in the morning to to pick him up out of the crib that we had him in so he wouldn't get hurt and i slipped on some urine for my other dog and i got pvc hole right in the very base in my head. I'm like right where the skull ends in the neck comes together. The soft part it blew that wide. Open my head on on the the magazine rack and then the tile floor. I was cold for a while i went. They said i went to the doctor. This that i had a concussion. But they didn't think it was going to be that major and It really was. Because when does it stop the testosterone naturally produced from those shots So last november two thousand nineteen. I started feeling that bump again. I said well see what happens because new bumper assessed. Yes so the testosterone actually made my ms works and it made me really sick. And i'm like. I don't want to risk this. I got too much to live for. So that's why. I said we'll put it out and see what happens so about actually. It's around this time last year. When she found out she came up and gave me a hug. And she said oh. Your chest is swollen. And i said oh yeah. Isn't that weird surprise. Have that checked out. But then i'm like you know what. I'm not gonna lighter anymore. So we were driving. I took her to the mall. We were driving down the mall. And i wanted to tell her so bad. We're driving there. I kept opening my mouth gone. And i'd laugh because it was annoying because there's right there on the say so i i just blurted it all out and she's like what and i'm like. Yeah that's the truth. So she took it in stride. And i didn't know how much i was going to change so i figured okay. Maybe just a little bit of bummer. That's the worst that can happen to wear shirt gonna But obviously you could see change quite a bit and I not done any dri. I have not taken any hormone supplements. I have not seen a doctor for this. The only thing i have on that is not real is my hair because i lost most of it so i'm hoping that there's a solution for that down the line but this looks good. Is it a. Is it permanent. Ross her less it. Yeah it's going to be permanent hair loss because the testosterone caused a d. h. t. Build up the yeah. It causes the the fallout out and on top of some of the medication medications taken for ms. Did the same thing was did. I read that. The ms testosterone. 'cause ems so that read that quickly it made it worse midway Yeah but unfortunately. That's why they say you know. Women should not be around heavy testosterone supplements for that reason. And i didn't i didn't realize it you know they didn't think they didn't think anything of it either. I already taken the testosterone after they found out before they found out that i had a uterus. So that's where the that's the estrogens coming. So what you're seeing is on natural natural as i can get and It has changed my body quite a bit. People could not believe it. And so i got to the point where i could. I did a people. Were asking. Me is m i in my tomboy. A lesbian i guy in general because they kept second guessing me on that on. That's more embarrassing than this. Sure so how do you. How do you define yourself now. Someone asks but what do you say to say your emma. I i in my entire life and you just couldn't see it. That was the thing it was hidden. I only allowed people to see what i wanted to see. So yeah and it's not easy to do so. I'm glad that i had that opportunity to To be the person. I was supposed to be because i believe that everybody should and everybody should be happy and i was happy before. Don't get me wrong. I just was awkward. You know. Because i never i walked okay. I went to. I went to animal kingdom this past weekend. And i saw people looking at me and i was like i didn't know what to do here. What are we. Do you know. Because i'm so used to walking looking at my feet and that's a that's not. That's not a fun thing to do. And you know when you finally look up because you you feel good about yourself you know. It's a wonderful feeling but dinner like god. What am i look at down. Not look at them and contact no contact type of thing so it was a different situation and i have noticed that i have a lot now. I don't know why i do but I realized that either people don't look at me or they look at me and break their necks walking by. I don't want it conceded. Like that when i'm at all it just just good for you though that's great. Go from a place where people bullied you to now. People are looking at you in a different way. that's wonderful. yeah. I know my blisters are going to ask What is your parents say. Believe it or not. My parents were the where the hardest one i did. I came up with a four faced plan on how to do so. If it ever came out so i was going to start off by telling my closest friends because i knew i'd need that support in case when it got to my parents when i do then i wanted to discover what it was like to put on makeup and look like me. If i didn't look like me. I did not wanna look like a drag queen and i didn't wanna look like the guy address So that was always. The celtics fits the self exploratory. And then i went to the point where telling more and more people more and more friends people that wanted in my life but And people that i didn't care if they stayed or not either but they weren't my closest comment on people. The last one was with my parents at the end of stage. Three and then stage four is gonna be myself completely so I technically wanted to have my birthday last year as my stage. Four but it didn't work out like that so i'm technically in my stage for now getting used to things and this is what i'm finding about other things like garbage licenses. Mammon inquiry and stuff like that of course but my parents They really shocked me. Because i really thought they were going to. Reject me from the gecko. So i was scared and at i went to orlando About four or five weeks ago. And i was i wanted to. I wanted my my wife said. See the real meat so it was just me entire weekend and when i got back i didn't realize how miserable i was. I do not believe that. I put myself through that because i didn't know what the other side felt by so i came back and i'm like oh i can't do this. This is no way could do this. So that gave me the courage to talk to my mom and my dad and they said wow they said i loved you then i loved you now and i will always love you no matter what and that was so important to hear. It's ridiculous angry. I i understand they are. They're upset that. I didn't tell them about all this stuff you know. They're like you really should have come and talk to me and i'm like well. How do you tell somebody like that. I'm like i didn't know if you were going to reject me as a kid and i needed you. And they said why we're. Why weren't we the first ones to know as it. Because i didn't want to lose you. I was ready to lose you at that point. If that was the case. But i was never ready to lose you before you take what you could get from them them with a new about you and that was good enough for the thought of losing. That was devastating. I understand that it was it was an and i'm glad that i did because my dad's a little bit of a hard time with it. I'm not gonna lie. My dad's went on my facebook page and seeing all the guy's hitting on me and he started getting into that defensive daughter so he's having a little bit of a harder time with my mom but my mom is really cool with it now. I have not shown them myself as you see here. Seen a picture of me. But they've never met me like this person versus and i'm just trying. I'm trying to move in slowly. So i don't shock anybody. That was the key to all of. This was going slow and planning it out. Because i didn't want to hurt anybody from i didn't wanna freak anybody out. I care about too. Many people. And i hurt people i would. I would be devastated so my my thing is slow and steady wins the race. Yes and i got to think with so many people who who are different from the norm. And i said norm in quotes of course People who are gay people who are trans people who are like yourself that they never want to hurt anybody there. They're and they're usually very very loving people and so when they do actually come out so many people can become angry with them but a lot of time at anger is really more. The defense of we're feeling but there's so many other feelings we have. But anchors easiest one to identify angers easiest one to feel because the other ones are to've to and so that's what my listeners know that if you have anybody who is who does tell you a secret like this. That is not because they didn't want you to know it's because i wanted you to know but they don't know how to tell you that's exactly right. I mean that that is you. You hit the the nail on the head with that. One turned the key in the lock. I mean got it. I mean i. I didn't want to be a freak. And i felt like i was going to be that freak so i had to gain confidence in myself which took a long time you know. I consider what i did was like shackles on my arms and my on my ankles and i was locked inside of a prison and i did that to myself to protect me and my family on seventy eight eighty nine. Seventy eight to eighty three is a tough time. You know this is not expected. Even even when i was in high school was not accepted So I locked myself in prison and i just could not understand that the real me was not good enough to be accepted or above and so that was hard but when my friend came over and saw me without makeup and said holy crap. I can't believe that she didn't know it was me that broke one of those chains. My wife saw me that broke the chain and then when my other friends came over there and saw me dat broke that chain. And then when i was outside orlando i had the freedom i had my wings. Nothing was gonna keep me down. I was ready to soar to the to the moon and be and be myself and Then i told my parents. I got out of jail and i believe that the truth is the best so no matter what happens you got to tell the truth even if it hurts i think i think the only way i could i could do it with. Just go up to somebody. Tell them what it was. Put my hands to the side. So i'm not showing age form of a restraint and let them have what they were going to say to me. And that's okay. you know. They they have a right to feel angry. Ever the saturday of right. The feel anything so i listened to and i just said look i understand. You could be upset. I can understand if you wanna speak to me again. I can understand if you to be my best friend. I can understand if you want to punch me in the face but whatever it is talked to me i want to fix it. I want to make it better for you. And that's one thing. I'm so glad to hear that people have accepted you and hopefully people are saying that to you as well. What can we do to support you. I'm sure your support group is really thriving here really excited to be able to be around you and help you in any way this they can. I got about five six people and some of my regular friends were real. Supportive of it The best thing. I could tell anybody is just don't make don't make an issue of it. I'm a person. I'm not a label that's right you know i had. I haven't i have a condition but that doesn't make me less of a person. And i won't treat anybody else so any anybody else differently than i would wanna be treated myself so don't focus on one when i'm doing if i bring it up to you or you have a question. Of course i'll talk about. I'll tell you anything. No i'm not gonna hide that but don't make a focal point. Every time we see together you know. I want to go to the if i want to go to the mall with you and go shopping go shopping. 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For Your Ears Only 0022: Die Another Day

Optimism Vaccine

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For Your Ears Only 0022: Die Another Day

"I admire. Your. Luck. Mr. James Bond. Never happened the other phone who? Play is only down. She wants Mr Scandal living daylights out of. An. Welcome to another episode of for your ears only optimism vaccines ongoing James Bond. August series were counting down to no time to die the twenty fifth James Bond movie by watching every other James Bond movie I 'cause that's sort of thing we have the time for so my name is Jackie I'm joined by Jake repeal as ever Jake own. Jack. I'm doing great. How are you on doing pretty good too we're. We're. But a into some some scary stuff here though so we've got nick reached the new millennium. Point and we were closing out the end of era what an advantage would pierce Brosnan's final film at Die Another Day is final bond film. He didn't die at the end of this he's still works in other movies. And he didn't die but he certainly killed the franchise for a few years. There was definitely touching gopher low while. This is actually my first time ever watching this film I'd never seen this before my God s the reviews, put me off at the time or something, and so who this is the first film I saw in the theaters that was on related. Wow I can tell you eighteen years does not do this filming neighbors Everybody strapping. This is GonNa be a loopy episode I can feel it. You're okay. Well, yeah. So Another day is a it's it's darts in in. Well Korea. Hold on okay. We gotta start first of all the gun barrel. The white the. I. For the first time, ever a giant we at the retreat to the gun barrel and giant CGI bullet flies at the camera. Shattered some glass break Cisco and this was never released in three D if you're gonNA do now crap like that. At least Leach of a three D. or something this is suggested by are the film's Director Lead Tamahori who? I don't know. Yeah News I believe he had a New Zealand film that was very big and. Once we're. which I I have not seen in many many years. But I remember very good film So yeah, I mean no, no harm but that may bond is not his speed now. It's The. Problem is that this is so bond films are a lot of them. You know they kind of set the standard for a lot of films that we see today certainly the first blockbusters but then after a while a lot of bond films began aping. What was big at the time and I would say, this is the worst case of that. This very much putting my blue on just this last week. This looks like a movie that was shot in two thousand one in released in two, thousand and two. This the color grading. The use of speed ramping and slow motion. The suit, the sports in this movie this movie is a Bat Shit Insane. All, like you talk with the speed ramping that alteration speeches reminds me like I remember watching thirteen ghosts all all those like late nineties early, its horror movies that you a headache early. Why is this happening and to find it in the bond franchise is just Thankfully I think it's this is an isolated. They'd like nip this one of the ball Roy. nope. No more. So this. Yeah, the IT. All the films you know even though this is released decades after some like it man with the Golden Gun, which was a response to like the Kung Fu films of the time. This is the film more like relative to what it looks like. It's age. The worst I would say is the probably the ugliest looking bond film. I don't know if I can think of one that is a bit just in terms of style and lighting even just set lighting is. Nothing is quite as Garish as this. I think this wants the color grading. I believe was done digitally anyways around that time were every movie started looking like us because ours? Yeah it's. It's yeah. This basically, you know the advent of digital editing basically everything you could do to film stock. It was now filter you could turn on in a setting on your computer but Yeah. So. We started to get into it why stop now? Film Opens With the Bond Surfing in North Korea. That's how you access North Korea traditionally on the surfboards, but a surfboard full of gadgets with adhering to nameless faceless nobody assistance who died almost instantly. Yeah. So that's that's right So He's there to stop a he's basically a hijacks the position of a diamond salesman to get to the base of one curl moon in North Korea. Who is trading the diamonds for weapons that I believe bond is just simply there to stop him One of the things that he's got is a gun that can blow up tanks or helicopters as we see the also has hovercraft. To get over minefields. Yeah. I. Love The like the Hovercrafts can navigate over minds without sending them off, which is you know. So, it's still the demilitarized zone. You'RE GONNA right into a wall for. It there's no reason for any. Sense I don't even know like haver the introducing. It sounds like they invented hall for crafts like we have this new thing you've never heard of before they. They can get over land mines hover. Obscene crafts. That they're not fame, ben in bond, Films Afar James Bond took a hovercraft in diamonds are forever take get from one island to another But anyways, bond is cover is blown immediately because the North Koreans have cell phone that can reveal his identity the henchman of this movie is Zao played by Rick Yune who's also of the fast and furious franchise they asked us fill looks quite a bit like, yeah I. I, it really looks like the shiny plastic cars in which all also feature a lot of in this movie of the fast and furious franchise. So this is probably as much as I. Enjoy some of the fast and furious movies is probably the that's probably the worst franchise for bond to look like I if he asked me how. This compares poor to those films yet, even some of the weaker of those films this is not coming out ahead. Yeah. This is the two fast two furious of the bond franchise anyways using C four that he planted in a briefcase filled with diamonds. Bond escapes Zahle gets a bunch of diamonds embedded in his face chases Curl Moon Colonel Moon. In Hovercraft, there's some fighting involving a flame thrower a lot of a bond not defeating the purpose of the hovercraft starts shooting the minds that he can see planted on top of the ground so that they can raise the explode and destroy the other have across behind him but He. Yet he incurred moon fight. Bond jumps off is saved by a bell. He says saved by the bell on Curl Moons Hovercraft careens off the side of a waterfall presumably to his death. We think he's dead and then for the first time ever baen is actually captured by the end before ses instead of escaping and he spends the next fourteen months being tortured by a North Korean officials. any thoughts on the cold open before we get to the song well, I mean. I think we've covered the we've we've covered the main issues here and Yeah It's just. I. Mean The action seeking autocraft chases is solid enough. It's not. You know it's it's it is what it is the vehicles explosions and it's bit goofy. But Soviet yeah I am well yeah. You e lead into our intro sequence, which is kind of a first. series really suffer with the Mars minders. Debt. and. Kind of the. Bras in an era toilets they're. Really Grace Down Our us all on digital ladies. Yeah. unanswered conception that just they didn't have. I don't know maybe a little bit biased but I feel like the digital they what became relatively easy to do digitally, they never made up for it with better design and so the older versions always just that little bit more intriguing and interesting even if they often posted on formula what this one try something new when I of respect them for trying something new by actually integrating story elements into it. So we did the opening credit sequence essentially through stylized graphics and stuff at depicts bonds fourteen months of torture with Scorpions for some reason. Yeah. Scorpion Venom. In and while all this is happening we hear this. Governor? Yes. See. and. Crews Body. Earth. Is. Those aside. SISTA. Store. Yeah. This is a Madonna Diana Day and Jack go go ahead and say this is the worst bond theme song ever. GonNa. Disagree with you. I don't know I mean I've talked about. Probably, not many bonds themed listen to outside of a bond fill this one. I don't know maybe a radio filler thing but like even as electric, you know it's it stands I was very harsh electronic kind of dance vibe to us, which is very unusual for the franchise up to this point, but it's not it's not even a very good song of that. Tall. You. Don't really know Madonna Madonna had some great electronic music. The same period. I don't know what happened it. These really feels like. She woke open was like Shit. I saw him to contract they they need a song on this happened it's a very world. What's the Sigmund Freud thing out? I mean I. Don't know why that's in there in the bridge where she says, Sigmund Freud analyze this analyze this I don't know why that's part of the song. Now I just was wondering maybe I was missing something but no apparent apparently not is very Strange. I don't WanNa fall for trying something new. It's a very radical departure. I. Don't think it works to It's it's jarring goodway. Yeah. It's yeah it's A. I mean. To think backing go hey, we got the grandeur of Shirley Bassey and here this is a weird Madonna pop electronic saw it's it's very jarring I I kind of like the implication that bond is being tortured by the song himself because this is for the first time ever images of the actual narrative are inserted over the bond theme titled Credits So. It's like bond is actually being tortured in. North. Korea while this song is on repeat for the fourteen months that he's imprisoned, they let that one piece of Western music. Yeah. John Elton John believes this is the worst theme tune in the franchise's history when the strangely enough though I could find out am channel four England, the TV channel ran a poll of bonds tunes, and this song was overwhelmingly the favorites song home. If people under twenty four years of age. Okay. Well, now, I'm guessing that was run around the time the film came out. So I'm guessing it was kind of Madonna boost stairs well, Dan it also earned a razzie nomination for for Madonna sure we discussed last episode. Razzi. will put down the records that that was mentioned there but yeah. This is the thing happened. Yeah. You're Medina did a bad song but yeah. So the song and she yeah, also continues bonds Gye thing which is getting a little confusing at this point. Another Day not to die live and let die tomorrow never dies. Yeah. Well, I expect you to die Mr Bond but yeah. All right. So back to the story proper. Bought his release obviously never escapes North Korean delays on the end credits roll. Yeah that's this weird. How like they? I mean that's why they had to reboot it with Daniel Craig for years later because nowhere else to go this is the only fifteen minute long James Bond Phil? Yeah. Yeah literally Now. Come on we're messing around you guys but yeah. So bond is he's not released by his own volition. He's actually being traded back to his own superiors because they've captured Zao so was a trade of the North Korean prisoner for the British prisoner and then bond is a put on a medical ship in the harbor of Hong Kong where he's being monitored am expresses disppointment with him in. For I go out of my way to defend this movie too much. I, do like after the post after the opening title sequence basically this next chunk like twenty minute chunk of the movie all the way through Cube I think is the best part of the movie. This is a this is another bond goes rogue adventure. And this is like the there's something kind of I mean bonded or Brosnan and his bond is really sort of more. He's more of a lighthearted playful bond certainly, not a Dalton. But this is kind of like the darkest we see him get because he's also is harassed grown out. He's got a thick scraggly beard. He's like he's like just being cruel and spiteful to everyone around him. He feels like he's been betrayed. So I think there's some interesting stuff in here that works the problem is they're part of what's basically moon raker to. His them yeah. Yeah definitely. Yeah. There there's some interesting elements. And comments that he should used his audience rather than being captured and he says it's ruled away. So, there's an interesting here V say as being kind of spiteful to everyone at part of that I think is a self loathing that he he failed he got captured they add to. They had to get him out but they didn't do. It's not the AMAS sentimental lifespan is purely rational decision could showers so with desire dangerous and they didn't know Oh that's right. There was a leak and they weren't sure if bond wasn't leaking the information. So right they wanted to remove them and so also there is an interesting sense of intrigue in Yeah Certain Darkness for this sequence am which will dissipate pretty quickly. End is also an interesting comment here I think that bond course quickly escapes. Be Noble people jumping overboard but. Joel's on hold on. He will. I'm I'm just curious. I'm just saying like I'm not sure if em knew he would earn. Well Alley so much that new I mean it's it's very possible kind of into that. There's despite how you know she's always reprimanding him I. think there is a secret part of 'em. That trust spawned more than anyone else. So she'll she'll she'll save face by saying you know you should not have done this. You have to follow the book you cannot do these things but at the same time, she kind of wants bond to escape and gone on mission and I think that's that's something also be explored in the Craig films but. Oh, definitely am bond at the Judi dench 'em and James Bond have very similar relationship to. Our dog which that she says she hates him but she also does a lot of Nice things for them. No. Yeah Deep Dang can't live without him. But yeah. So so Bonda escapes from the ship he beats up a few guys but to get there he fakes stops his own heart I'd forgotten that. What? Training is Dash. So twelve year old me thought that was the cool. This was the coolest movie in the world because bond is the Kinda guy who he is. So in tune with his body, he can trick a heart rate monitor into thinking that he's flat light. One. That kind of skill we were making fun of like him lasting for steering a boat around. But like honestly and snow, there's no. There's nothing about that. He just faked his own death for awhile by willing his heart stop and at that point, it's like. Well, if you could do that, maybe you could have got the north. Koreans to burry you somewhere in the eight I'd like how far does it go to see the oxygen? At this point. It is reassembles his cremated ashes. Who we selected it's such a weird thing to put in the movie and just not talk about anymore. No. Yes absolutely. Insane. Yeah. So yeah, he escaped he swims to Hong Kong from the harbor. Walks his favourite hotel we should mention that he's He's basically wearing Pajama bottoms with an open Pajama top in these looks like a homeless person without any shoes on. But, yeah he gets his his favorite suite at the hotel. And, one thing I should note that this this film was released in two thousand two. This is the fortieth anniversary, the bond series, and do they celebrate it because there's so many references and call backs to previous bond films. Especially later on, there's literally a room full of every gadget from the entire franchise, but bond is A. Catches that he's being setup in this hotel room because he throws an ashtray at a mirror in it shatters revealing a whole camera crew behind it, and if you recall from for Russia with love, one of the subplots is a sex tape those film from behind a mirror. So it's it's weird how when you think about like the the narrative, the entire bond franchise how like what? Like who is connected to what is this the same guy as connery and so yeah, there's just we're strange things like that. That I don't know what did you think of this reference or and she and the other references that also I think doesn't add is it Roger? Moore. Says he knows a really good Taylor in Hong Kong I can't remember what movie that was from. Certainly possible. Yeah. So yeah. So he goes on call in orders is Taylor Sammy his earlier? Yeah. I mean I think it's on. It certainly not within this film but certainly, not least gird the most egregious element and they have that leads spike shoe when Hugh lab and stuff which she sniffs for some reason. Again within the this is a matter of Willis. Heart. Stop who knows what drives him at this point as apartments on dead bond for the rest of the film these driven strange impulses. That's right that could have been. Like make as much sense as what actually happens. Yeah. I think the the eighteenth I believe that she pushed the production to this movie back you justice specifically hit the fourth anniversary, right? They really they really committed to the best. At it's a trying to shave that arguably the worst bond film results out of US Alya. Yeah. They went big in the worst ways possible So yeah, the the mission currently is bond basically just wants to find recapture or kills Zao Ziauddin believe he doesn't like the Dow has been freed for his own life and so bond hunts him down he's directed to Cuba He meets a contact by the name of raw wool. He gets a cool car. He gets a gun This is sort of the. This is the only time where this feels like classic bonds where he's driving the convertible through Cuba. There's a very nice grew laxed. Feel to it that I enjoy But yeah then he also happens to meet. Our bond girl jinx played by recent Oscar winner Halle Berry took a day off to go collector Oskar all while on sat here. So yeah. Performances in this. Immigrant Halle Berry is like the quintessential example of the the Oscar curse I am cat woman would follow so. Yet again, she's not a very interesting von she portrayed as very capable I-I've. Say. Like American secret agent am. Feels very by the numbers here she comes. She's of course, introducing kind of like an Ursuline Andrey style bikini variety jet call back the other callback. But yet she she's kind of she's unfortunately could into this film as kind of like a very kate will bad ass character refunding actually planning your possibly gave her own film series which I don't think would have been a great idea to be honest echo she's very thinly written. Thoughts yes. She she's God right died a fiery dash. Yeah. No, she's very capable bad ass. Kind of doing that. But she also really quite boarders legged does nothing memorable remarkable about her other than what she's? Halle Berry? Nam so I it just feels like kind of. Surf shoes property at the time puttering they're only Halle Berry she doesn't. She doesn't certainly distinguish the parts. But I'm always kind of reluctant to say she does anything wrong either because I don't think there's a lot to depart. You know I'm not yeah. I'm not really a fan of performance but I think it's it's certainly it's certainly belongs in the movie it's in it's not like it's she's not making the movie any worse yet is yet no, she's non Brian Anything down here. Yeah. So yeah. So. She in Bonn have Shag in bond tracks. Is Notable actually I didn't even think about this but from earliest. Yeah. The that this is this is the first time probably entire series we actually see on having sex bull. Yeah. Not yet this like like in finishing to because then she is they're in bed together and she pulls out a knife in like a fruit and starts carving it needing it. But. Yeah. That's a certainly certainly with the leniency of pg thirteen. Some you can. You can show more of civilians get gunned down and you can show bond having sex. The Act at Saranda moving around a little bit never think so good good for him. I knew that she had to require a couple of couple of TRIMs to get the PG thirteen on this one because obviously machine gunning down civilians is is far better for children's always than acknowledging sex. Yes. We all know her well. It well established pattern. Now who that's the world is a very good place right now who? WHO Cares about civilians. Yes. So so anyways, bond tracks downs Zao. He's in a he's in a hospital and we discover that he's undergoing like Edina gene therapy procedure to look like a German guy, and he's like his head is completely shaved. He still has all the diamonds embedded in his face, which you think would probably be the first thing you'd want to remove. If you go into surgery, they're still there I guess because they have to you know your your henchmen needs to have some sort of physical characterized. I guess what we've learned from this diamonds are now part of the cinetic level. Yes. A change the GS ill hill just naturally not anymore. Yeah that's so weird Buri. On Sept through FY, idea that kind of bills employees yeah. Authors visually realized in interesting ways. This guy's lying on tables with flashing lights. Yeah. They have everybody who's in these hospital rooms. They also have these weird led like sleep masks that they use to rest his apparently like the the they're like the gene therapy like prevents them from going to sleep so like they use these masks so that they don't go crazy but Yeah. escapes and So bonds word is bond go after this I believe he's Then he's sent to investigate a British billionaire third philanthropists by the name of Gustav Graves who is kind of like a what's the? What's The guy who? The behind Virgin Airlines spatially against Branson exactly he's inist on C. basically anytime he said like a public event he he would prefer to skydive into it is to make an appearance. Enough actually just as an aside mentioned again at a time for Richard Branson as a random cameo casino royale. Yes he does reason. Yeah. So I guess, say they're really enamored with the guy but yeah, definitely goes braves a Richard Branson kind of feel although honestly he comes off more like an eel on most type at this point. But at that was, he wasn't around join this was made. Yeah so indeed So bond follows him to his fencing. Lesson, where we the missing instructors played by Madonna herself as for some reason, her name is very this is the first time that a bond are a A singer bond theme has appeared as an actress in the film not like a for your eyes only where the singer appeared in the opening credits herself. has also the period where Madonna I think had Joseph she was living in England and people were making fun of her a lot. 'cause she she developed a strange English quasi English accent. which was people were making fun of her and saying she was doing on purpose and doing a bad job but I don't know can some people just go back since we're lease I, just give her the benefit of the dial, but she does sound odd. which again, just I don't know why you know she's. She's in the film's really introduction to her book Pierce. Brosnan seems to know her. And she introduces us to Bruce off raise and of course to Miranda Frost yes. Yeah. Ran Frost paid play by Rosamund Pike of gone girl fame but Yeah. So we basically all our characters have been met in Gustav Graves we believe him to just be a English billionaire philanthropist inventor but. As we learn there is actually much more to his story as we get thicker into this plot. But I a sword fight now. Part of the goofy nature of this film is that it's obviously it's terrible but I really I really do enjoy this sequence. I think, yes, it's a it's a fun little diversion of spawned fighting the villain although I do think that Pierce Brosnan maybe as a bit too old to beat this guy, he looks physically younger. Quicker than he is yeah. Yeah it's such a big. Of I feel that there's nothing it just sort of am soap out of there where I was kind of a bit taken aback as say having never seen before that they're just sorta like, oh, we'll fence with we'll just have fencing action I kind of expected to stay within the fencing arena like why wouldn dish and it said it turns into the morning all over the place you know yeah, there's imagining with swords, suits of armor and they're. Out To, kill each other the competition Roy at some point. Indeed it reminds me of the the Glass House fight in Moon raker where everything is just smashed to pieces. But, yeah. Bond wins the con- The contest and as he does. And Yeah. So I think I. Think this is. where bond goes to an underground station to meet with 'em than the also goes and visits Q. or actually no. Before that, we get a sequence where it feels like there's an invasion in mid six where moneypenny is killed and several people were killed. It's a very like the first time I saw this. I was like Oh man is this really happening and then and then it just turns out to be a VR simulated set up by Q. Who's John cleese is now taking on the role as Q. But yeah, this is a very. Strange sequence I think it really only works the first time you see it because you don't know or will actually this is your first time seeing it. What did you think Yeah. No like for me it was Kinda like I pegged it immediately and it was pretty much because like you say just opens. Wanting pennies just gone down like there's no way inhale they're going to have money penny jolly. Opening of a secret is. Still be trick on this and then they pull the order things on. Yeah. Okay. We we were that was coming, right? Yeah. So which has a bizarre payoff at the end of the movie But yeah, this is where he goes through the the room gadgets. Where you wash I'll watch he jokes that it's his twentieth one, its twentieth film in the franchise ha ha and you also gets a ring with a frequency that allows them to shatter any pane of glass. No matter how bulletproof. which he is actually a pretty nifty gadget uses it a few times? Yeah. Yeah but I, believe this takes us to the Ice Palace in Iceland if I'm not mistaken. If not let's let's get there. What do you think? Yeah. So we this is This. I don't even remember why they're there. They're there because Gustaf brave is unveiling his product he's been working on, which is in veiling acres. So of course, the satellite which can harnesses the power of the Sun to light up the darkest parts of the world and basically their cast the entire planet in a perpetual daylight, which which his his plan is to It would be like used to grow crops. So Basically, food can harvest twenty, four seven but I think if there were two sons lighting up the planet people would go fucking insane. They basically envoy debut this in. A country that has to the summer like nearly twenty four hours of sunlight. will be like that's a terrible idea we know from experience. That's. Yeah. We're I did see this is originally was going to be called Solaris this device within Steven Soderbergh with remaking salaciously like will back off it. So the do that and yet I would talk generally I would say of the Vice Iceland scenes I actually I went to Iceland earlier this year. I'm realize country a little bit disappointed that frankly I. I guess they take advantage of the glaciers and stuff bought add it. There's nothing really recognizable of the concrete they are other than a few like big glassy. Ice Plane. I feel like they don't really harnessed the the location that will always palaces a complete fabrication at there isn't one of the high slim's Lund's. So don't don't go there looking for that and like this movie. Yeah. So, am but yeah it this Ice Palace, they understand this works because everything's made a voice that shales are made of ice. All these women are walking around in backlist gowns are yes. This will work at all this is ridiculous but then again, this is also a as we didn't even mention this is the bond film with an invisible car all my God we've totally forgot value his car the vanish. Okay. Let's. Let's put this in. Let's put this in context Roger Moore said this was a bad idea. Roger Moore pointed out. This was going too far within the franchise, and if Roger Moore says that that you gone too far I think gets fair this is just such a Goofy kind of thing. It's not even utilizing any kind of particularly clever way at notes on each basically it's so I think it exists solely because cg at point where you can kind of put it together And I feel like I feel like special effects through the gadget than the other way round on this case. Yeah. I mean why use the the you're right the invisible car I mean even even with the skipping ahead to win, it's ultimately used to hide from Zahle? As he's GonNa Ram off the side into the pool when they're at the end of their car chase fry I. Mean even if he is backed up Zao wouldn't have been able to stop us flooring at full speed. So I don't know why he had to go invisible is really like he goes invisible are screaming like, oh no, that's the end for me, but he doesn't see what Bond I, Dunno invisible it gets one good side gangway snowmobile crashes into nothing. Yeah. That is that's in but that's about it and it's just so. Whatever it's India I am not even going to begin to argue with the science of the car, which is it's covered in miniature invisible cameras that will project the other side of the car through it to appear as if there's nothing there, which would probably mean that the car is only invisible from one specific angle in like a profile shot but Yeah. I I'm not even gonNA. Work. For Emily six I. that's right. You know. I'm I'm too much of a sin visible car cynic have a job there. Yeah. So anyways, there's reveal. I. Believe that Jinx is I. Don't know if we mentioned earlier that she's also she's her own secret agencies investigating because now is at the Ice Palace as well, and then this is where we find out that Gustav Graves is actually the deceased curl moon from the pre title sequence where he in the fourteen months bond was in. In being tortured in. North Korea. Curl Moon took it upon himself to get gene therapy to transform from like a five foot nine Korean man into a six foot one Englishman and then also. Make a name for himself as a billionaire and also constructed the ignorance satellite all in the span of just over one year. Yes. Yeah. That's impressive. He's go-getter is our colonel move. I feel like this is the ultimate goal back though I'm. Calling back to ask you only live twice. Surgeries yellow fence. Yeah. In in remarkable I I this is. An incredible innovation in. Film Racism. To. Raise a Korean character by turning him into Maggie. Smith Zone is just a phenomenal piece of scripting. So pointless doesn't really lend anything and I think it's worth noting honestly. that. Toby Stevens as good raves is frankly could have been replaced with a refrigerator as far as I'm concerned I. Do have no recollection of the man whatsoever or the character he's just basically he's got basically scowls a lot is what he does. You know and again, is it just a part? Isn't him share? I could barely even focus. But yeah, the reveal that he's actually a Korean man. It's one of those things. It's like you get the inkling of us like they wouldn't that will be very stupid thing to do. They just go straight ahead and they do it anyway no. Yeah. Why would anyone think to do that? But yes. So Jinx's captured by saves. Her is another call back to Goldfinger where she's on a table being tortured by a laser moving precariously close to her head. What is this room that uses laser support in you push into sleighs Fire, all over the becomes a giant disco party were there like dodging lasers to fight neophytes a big Samoan Henchman named Mr. Kill. who gets a laser shot through the back of his skull and it comes out of his mouth and then yeah and then they also unceremoniously cut his arm off the lasers so they can use it to get past security grid on the. Inner that that's a weird kind of like dark joke to kind of cut around because they don't. You know show them doing it offices to sort of like a nod nod wink like just saw the corpses arm off. Stage yeah as a one off. Yes. So I think also this point bond has a slept with Miranda Frost in the Ice Hotel on. Why she's revealed to be Gustaf graves his right hand woman yet we forgot to mention that she was actually originally she's m I six and she was cover she was she was there right for six to monitor graves, and then it turns out she's actually a double agent and she was actually the person relaying the information and it wasn't on twin when bond was captured in eighth. Alright. It was a leak that was in fact actually baby-faced Rhythms Pike I've never seen her this young it was little bit disconcerting to me. Yeah. No. I Yeah I never knew she was bombed girl gone girl some later project. So I was. The first film. So that's that's crazy but. Of Her career that's a rough start to after go back to but at so goes I mean I would argue she's one of the better things about this movie sean, he's He's certainly it's it's a kind of a campaign performance especially especially once she becomes the villain because I think I think once you're the villain film like this, you can sort of just cut loose in your early. Your dignity is something in early necessarily worry yourself about instead allies you're chewing up the scenery and having fun but. Yes, she certainly knows going forward and gives them a Jordan she. She played ice maiden well in general Ice Castle. That's right I. Just Amend Dimension Actually Think Gooby told about how Jason Bond, Cocoa Open. We actually know were first on scene bond having sex also fourteen month dry spell before that. So Oh, man yeah. Who as I don't know. That work monitoring number. Yeah. Bond is a man who fears being alone. All those lonely nights with Scorpion. Venom. But. What you do to stave off the loneliness in North Korea yeah. So this heart over and over again maybe I, don't know in yeah. Tantric sex thing that's where he learned to stop his heart. is in the middle of six just yes. Well Good Lord. Well speed of good Lord we Bond escape. This is also Iceland is where Gustaf Braves is doing his rocket car testing bon use it to escape and He turns Acre Assan to try to fry bond and bond gets to the edge of glacier, and this is where we get to the craziest fucking seen in any bond film. bond takes out like the. The emergency parachute out of the rocket car breaks off like a side door, and once the grace glacier breaks off into the water causes a huge wave bond windsurfer D- serves A. leading. got a specific name but yeah one of those variants of having a parachute in a surfboard. Yeah. It to it's in the. The CGI quite frankly does not hold up wait. It's the. Playstation. One video game. Would Zero Interactivity Yeah. Everything just looks like middle toy cars being balanced. It's like a kids play sash. Flung ended the laser cutting the glacier. Still confused as to how to how? How graves managed to develop this distinct with government funding apparently, your government assistance to create a secret weapon. It's very silly salt flaw but anyhow, yes he he escapes in Grand Fashion asked I can only imagine the explaining this to Peter. Hoffman. Before they shot I know this is what's happening in this. What you're doing you're gonNA look at the debt is a licensed like auto now. We're not doing this again. Yeah. Pierces even like he slips into his Irish accent in this phobia seems he's just beyond trying. It's like. Well, here's another one. Let's do it. And it's also it's kind of sad too because of all the bond actors who played bond, he's the one who regrets not having another film like all the other actors have moved on. Are you know they just talk about something that happened on their pierce? Brosnan Sort of sort of sad about this, this Erin is life that he wants claimed the now has no longer I feel he's potential with maybe never really reached an adult about I. Think. You know we're told very fondly about. About the world is not enough and yeah, is very solid but Yeah. I mean he's gone. He's really way he's got two good ones and too bad once. And for all of them, he's sort of. Yeah he seems like the perfect bond pay paper and you know he he gets along with nothing. He doesn't really have an iconic bond villain maybe comparatively. Timothy Dalton it's two films, but they're so radically different from the rest of the franchise that you know they they kind of stand out a little more Pierce Brosnan lie somewhere between Conroy and Roger Moore, and living just never quite ease. Cash that's the thing is that you can sum up here said, he's a very much a well rounded bond I like the man I think he's got great moments, but ultimately, his strongest moments do not stand out as much as. Connery's best moments do or were. He does not get to the level of Dalton and then and then when he gets to when he gets to the full goofy Campinas of die another day it's not like Roger Moore were I think Moon Lakers a lot of fun I enjoy watching that movie but it and I think the some of the space effects it from the era hold up better than the digital effects do in this film. So it's it's just yeah matter of balance and I, think also he brosnan was just kind of burned with. Scripts because we haven't even gotten to the fact that every other line in this movie, it's either a line of exposition or upon because he read when he ran counter. Zao in the Ice Palace he says, I've always Mr sparkling personality is how it goes. How's that for a punchline? When they're torturing Halle Berry they ask who sent her she says Yo Mama, and there's all this just one after another. It's an endless tirade of the worst. Bargain. Basement puns you can imagine there's that and also I cannot like we mentioned earlier but I just I really want to impress on any if you have not seen the film, the whole speech changing shifting thing. Is So it just. Everything. Is Worse because of us so yeah, this film just really late I, agree with you I think like the Roger Moore Films Very broad and Goofy at points but they they. Were enjoyable in that. But this one just kind of grates the nerves it's. Not Nice to watch. Him Yeah I I could say it's an unpleasant looking film unpleasant period of film that where they were kind of switching to digital elements in post production for her visual effects. But but it was it was still kind of a a period where they were finding their footing and yeah, it show was it's. It's it's very much. Hey, we we discovered this thing. Let's use it Elliot's no don't do that ever again. He I feel like digital particularly improved colour grading and stuff like digital just allowed like to have an idea and just realized that immediately whereas if they had to go through like a photochemical process at some point, someone would have been like we shouldn't do this to solve whereas in digits like I. Feel you flip a switch almost like. Sent broad parameters do you can work like that where film slower and more careful time consuming and so maybe there's more time for people to go. This is a mistake we should rove is back where digital allows the worst impulses to kind of make it much further down the road which I think is kind of shaped. That modern cinema? Yeah. I. End There's also just to with digital technology in CGI either really more of A. I hesitate to say laziness but it's kind of what it feels like because you're leading a computer, do all the work for you as opposed to like matte paintings in like things. Like that's why I always love stop motion animation because they're still a loving craft that goes into making something come alive onscreen that you just don't get with this modern technology. So yeah yeah it's a it's a very bizarre turning point. For? Bronze. Yeah. Yeah. I think of digital visual effects the you know as we more stores come out as like digital artists people actually make them off from work insane hours for very little pay. But. Proper Guidance and funding can still just look like crap but it's you know there's laziness that I, agree with you the conceptualization but there's still a lot of hard work to make it happen just of a bunch of drones they abused do that part yet? It still looks like crap at the end. Like. Maybe maybe you should've thought more about what you trying to do. Yeah. Exactly. I mean this is the only one that has a giant space laser cutting a glacier. So for bonded surf off of collapsing always palace. Yeah. So back to the ice palace bond gets into. A sort of a goofy spy-versus-spy car chase sequence which karnal almost missiles. Yeah now. Part of me actually kind of really enjoys the sequence in one moment in particular. I always am fond of its where bond is these cars flipped upside down onto the ice and basically the roof of his car is drifting across the ice. In, his Green souped-up Jaguar with which has missiles in it as well, and he fires a missile at Bond Bond Pops Open the moon roof and then kicks out the ejector seat which flips his car over and also dodges the missile. It's just it s just a brief moment that I enjoy but it's you know it's again it's a very. overlong in goofy chase is over the course of this movie I don't recall which seat to see a check because he sitting in the seat when he hits the ejector. So I guess passenger incident passenger seat Oscillator I don't recall if there is a passenger seat visible from then on but yeah, that's that's a little. It's it's varies amy, this whole thing. Cars has mid oils everywhere like it's a fucking agents of mask. Mikhail Toy. That's exactly what it is a mass cars. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, the bonds uses the invisible the Dais X. invisibility machine to dodge vows final attack, and then he shoots a chandelier to crush Zao into a fountain of blood in the water. and. Then he saves jinx who is been drowning in her hotel room because she was locked in melting, the floors above her. So it's been rapidly filling with water but Yeah. baen safes are they tracked down Gustav Graves is in North Korea. So the film returns to north. Korea. The final showdown, which takes place on a plane. and. They get into two separate fight sequences were bond is fighting Colonel Moon as Gustaf raves and he's got a very goofy EXO skeleton suit on with like Nintendo power glove in a three D. glasses that can zap people and Halle Berry gets into this sword fight with. Random of Frost Rosamund Pike so there's these sort of two different sequences cut back to fourth but Yeah the. They kill their respective villains any. Anything any monkey muster any thoughts or criticism on the sequence. That is the only thing I remember from. This is one part where were the women are fighting and I think Halle Berry Skewers arc of war right had it's like okay. Really understand this is happening. I don't even remember how like A. Yet it honestly is the thing that I'm kind of impressed with how much of this forgotten I watched this not very long ago like literally a few days ago I remember bond shoots someone grabs his hand shoots gone at hits the window of the planes. depressurizes yeah. Out including the inventor guide, there's this guy who's like an adventure for grace. WHO's perhaps the most enormous henchman of being Dr Franchise Learn what his name is? He dare he's got like a it's like just a one syllable. German name can. A sex like my. Go on. But anyhow, he dons at that point who cares he's he's got one of the funnier lines in the movie though after when bond steals the rocket car and drive away from he says boss he beats your time. I love imagine being. So we can't read the room that you will tell your Mako maniacal boss that also the fact that he managed to be time while going in a straight line with Iraq car, it's like, yeah, what what can't to. Vlad. Of course it is. Why can't they go? Oh. What I realized I had I had that not jotted down to I forgot, which was which I am but anyhow so. We're here as well. It's which confused me the allegiances here too because so Colonel Moon a gross stuff drives our graves meets back with General Moon is father who doesn't know? Raves. Is His son. I'm confused I. Don't remember what happens here consists he he? He doesn't want grace. Do this thing for North Korea because will cause a war of the North Korea will get wiped out a there's kind of a confusing. While here about whether, you know what's the North Koreans North Korean commanded the good guys now. They they're issues gets lost in the Mishmash data played window. So yeah, he is all self. It's it's supposed to be I guess the emotional payoff the but I mean the I mean you barely remember General Moon from opening and It's it's it's just too ridiculous to think that Gustaf Raves is actually a shorter Korean man embracing his father it does not work in the slightest go to rescue the fatherland. Nor degrees all GONNA gather round. The British stooge yet I think I think they're trying to basically unite northern South Korea just make it be the world's greatest super power plants. He's using his uses the acreage delight blow up the Demilitarized Zone or right? Yeah. He's Zapping that and then the plane starts flying towards us and someone is a bonder jeans who steers the plane and loss at onto that course of they're all gonna fly in. So she's like it's a suicide mission, but in the get out again. I don't remember how the locked in but I do remember they get out. By Tossing a helicopter out of the plane after they toss out it, colonel moons sports cars. Is. Apparently. He's a big sports car if they do not own collecting them and taking them everywhere with him But yeah, they escape in a helicopter and. Gustav Braves get sucked into a the one of the plane's engines and then you are correct about art of war being pierced by a book because Halle. Berry. Then picks up the book with a knife sticking out of it and Miranda Frost says I can read your every move in Halle. Berry says read this in stabs at your heart in kicks it in says, no, that's that's right yet. The lawns in these are not grace. Now, his that graves get silk through jet engine. Just, beforehand, at bonds, it's time to face gravity. Isn't really forced acting on him when he gets sucked out of a plane through engine light. That's that's how. That's melt. The Earth's full anyhow, and that's and that's in response to Gustav. Graves. Is claimed time to face destiny which time they face gravity erased. It has nothing to do with how he dies. He doesn't follow his death he's not crushed by anything he gets sucked through a moving plane engine. Alarming I guess the the situation is a certain gravity for him. Yeah. But Yeah I. I feel like bond is off quip game here. Sure. We should mention that the entire situation that's happening the plane is being monitored by both the mix and the CIA and the head of the played by Michael Madsen, in our would have been probably jinxed his boss if they were to make a spinoff series. But Charlie and she would been the angel exactly than the actual. Charlie's angels from Vk Mountain was did so poorly that helped convince do not perceive that idea further apparently. Yeah. Just stick with working with Tarantino I guess But Yeah. So bondage ings flap to safety in their helicopter they get An also have a safe like a truckload of diamonds that. I guess is in reference to diamonds are forever diamonds serve what started this whole thing in? There they have this very uncomfortable dialogue where it sounds like they're having sex, but really, they're just putting diamonds into jinx's belly button. That's like a terrible idea to me. Yeah it's in. So that's Halla. Yeah, and that's how Pierce Brosnan wraps up his tenure bond by putting diamonds in. Halle Berry's belly button. Sexy Yeah and. Wraps up die. Another, day. It's pretty bad. Yeah, Aero. Shopping part of me would like enjoy it as like a a campy fun bad one because you know some of these that we've gone through, like I, keep mentioning Moon Raker is like the closest analogue but it's it's it's just a lot of it's just a lot of misguided ideas. What's really impressive is that this movie as stupid as it is also managed to kick off like an international incident because it really pissed off. South. Koreans O- on several fronts I think Fiction Korea the at bonds six by a Buddhist statue am is a few other bits and pieces. There were protests in Korea shot either cinemas. Yeah. Sure North Korea probably didn't like it either but I don't think most people care what North Korea thinks. It's not really a marcus. So listen to them. But yeah, like imagining, kicking off a of. An international incident for this prison this movie. Man May get interesting. Yeah. God think God for parasite? Yeah. It's all say anyways. deemed. Redeemed you Redeem Korea parasite. Well I mean, let's let's not waste any more time. Let's run. Let's run this bitches numbers. Absolutely. Okay. So We said last last episode Pierce Brosnan establish himself in just three movies as the most lethal James Bond Anna he tax on the Twenty Five Year Nice count. So that gives him a total of one hundred eighty which puts him clear of Roger Moore. Paltry Eighty eighty-six kills I'm GonNa get the most of these probably came from the pre-title sequencer. Junkie along handcrafts. BEING BEING BLOWN UP AT A good chunk of us and then snowmobiles later on right? I do also I will add one moment. I like is where he uses the parachute to. clothesline guy on the snowmobile that he can steal it. Now I do that every every now and then a reminder as to why I enjoy watching these movements but this one has the fewest and furthest between. Yes absolutely. So yeah, I just notice actually this film I think this is Pierce Brosnan Lowest Body Count Twenty five I think. And one short of all the people, Timothy Dog and killed in two films. He give you an idea of just how mile load thirsty at James Bond Become Yeah, you're losing your edge. There appears can Daniel Craig catch him we're. GonNa find out well. Yet. But you know before we get to that, let me just say this movie cost one, hundred, sixty, million dollars to make. So which is two hundred, twenty, nine, million dollars today up to this point it is the most expensive bond movie yet which is weird because it looks like the cheapest since shittiest one yet that we seen works. Yeah we're how that works. Would oh I apologize one, hundred, sixty, million it is what it made in the US is one hundred, forty, two, million dollars was his budget But then this, we would go on to make four, hundred, thirty, two, million dollars worldwide unadjusted. So this was the highest grossing bond film unadjusted for inflation back in its day. I mean, it's I just have to chalk it up to like. The the this being the forty, th anniversary in this people were early celebrating. This one is like, oh, it's bigger. Than before and like Brosnan, his films were all like to films apart. So are two years apart. So this is like a three year apart. So people were kind of starved for one. They were kind of going big with this one end. Yeah, I think they're just through in all these ingredients into a into a ditch. It stars. Academy. Award winner Halle Berry I'm sure that MARLA. Monster's ball along check out giant other day at Sir Idei you have. Mary of Madonna. One of the biggest stars in the world doing the theme song it's it seemed like just all these ingredients but They had made a giant ship pie it did and yet this still has a hoyer rotten tomatoes average rating than tomorrow never saw herb the world is not enough which is the acid Wrigley better film that I mean, yeah that if this were released today, there's no way it would. This would have like I would guess like seventeen percent or something it's it would be absolutely ruined in and I should note that prior to this the highest grossing bond film unadjusted was. Moon raker and which is also a film that swung for the crazy fences and also was a reaction to like the star wars of its day. So this is it gets to appoint every now and then we're bongos. So a far left that it actually has to kind of reset and that's exactly what will be getting with the next film. So that will happen beyond Lavaux that listeners yeah absolutely. So I'm just GONNA RUN OVER GONNA run over his partnerships through this. Range of one interesting number. Here he is. He beds two ladies in this film. Course Jinx Johnson and then Miranda for oft but. I was telling you know. Talking recent episodes have really there's no recapturing the greatest age difference free Roger Moore on Caribou K. in for your eyes. Only thirty. Year Age difference. Feel that will be on a salable. Close here, actually surprisingly our three, two thousand and two Pierce Brosnan forty nine. Years. Old Rosamund Pike Twenty three. So that is a twenty six year age difference is blows everything outside of the water at cones just so close wonderfully inappropriate an strange although I suppose we can explain the fact that Miranda Frost is a villain and is doing it to to get something from volunteer. Based on load is gone I believe or something. But anyway I, guess more ways than one off. God, this film saw. So Yeah there. There we go on. That brings Pierce Brosnan's total tallied ten ladies man which puts them well, well behind connery and more who have nineteen apiece. And no doubt Clemencia. Well. Here's Brosnan. We hardly knew Ye. Yes. Certainly certainly, a period that has its as has its moments, but I think looking back it's the the one bond tenure that has aged the worst even if I happen to really like to the films this one has aged like milk behind refrigerator it. Yeah. That's a good point milk behind the refrigerator with Eli, the exhaust burning on. It's it's nasty but Yeah that's a that's die another day and that does it for us Jack any final words or any any you WanNa plug your social media working people find you you. You can find me on twitter at Real Jackie gleason Manziel slow. Let me know what your favorite parts and join another day are Ya let us know do you have a weird fondness for the song? Do you think it's the worst one like ninety eight percent of the world does I I mean where we'd be glad to hear you can reach me at Jake Trope, Eela, T. R. O. P. L. A. All usually respond to. Anything that sent to me on twitter. So Salo even if you if you're a fan to say, hi Ole breach it, that can also email us optimism maxine gmail.com or a hit up our twitter account at optimism maxine Also, if you're listening on Itunes or wherever you get your podcast, go and give us a five star review into leave us a nice rating and let us know why you like enjoy the show and do you do you agree with us? Do you disagree with us? 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The stuff that y'all experienced and stuff like the last one before the big gaming everyone's indoors now you know you went outside made friends all okay or two scores. You wanted to be like those three initials as all man who is this j. k. w. Who is this person. I keep winning. I keep having the top score. Get so that whole thing. I saw you say we're doing our case awful. My gosh ooh funny. You should mention that. There exist an elite loop a crack commando unit a collection of the best of the best from everywhere and nowhere a secret society unattainable to most the reality of whose existence would be denied if not for their signature where an elite few get to leave their mark. Three initials the royal list of people better than you. The high score list man. That high score list was elusive. The only time i ever got onto the scoreboard. It was right after a power failure and it lost all of its data. And i was the first one to play the game and i ended up on the high scoreboard. But it didn't last very long you know now. Getting like a flashback. Because at the movie theater there was something that i like to play in the life of me. I can't remember what it was. But i got to put my initials in there and oh god is so exciting. Because i never. I never was good enough to do that. me either. You know. I was thinking of some. Do you remember boys and girls were drawn to different types of games. I feel like there was little. I can't remember what are you guys remember. you know what. That's a good question A lot of times. I'll be honest a lot of times. Two girls would play pretty much play the same games we play 'cause they had like you have female characters in these games so But i know. I know some i. Maybe they were tomboys but they were. They were right on it like there was some grow. I had a neighbor that was just amazing at at streetfighter like she was incredible. A block of. I'm like i couldn't beat her made me so mad but she always throw them out base afterwards. You know. i can't think of any game instead really stood out that a lot of girls towards yes. I think for the most part of the girls that i saw there. They played the same games. We played the exact same and got were even better than a lot of sued. The minute i got beat by jessica tomorrow simba myself at lunch but yeah They they all seem to play the same game so we play that. I saw like i think they had care back on so care. Bear games for the girls. Mrs pak band for the girls. The boys is like the basketball one. That's been around forever. The guy the guy was like the ones that the guns because they had like little guns bet like you know not like it is to day but they still had them back then Ski ball guys like the ski ball too. I think that that was like universal for men for girls and boys. Now you're now you make me wanna dicks dix. A what is what are like here. They've got another one. I'm gonna wanna go to an arcade here locally chicagoland area. Go play some games dean dave and buster's there you go. That's why am i thinking decks. Yeah dave and buster's hey. I was close to start with the truth man. I don't remember a whole lot of girls now arcade. maybe it was just. That wasn't paying any attention to it was just this capellas fellas fellas in a game and it was either street fighter a with nba. Jam came out heating. Dan was you know his own heard. That was tight year and then they had a couple of other games. You know the fellas jump into so it was just a few means the rest of listen soon product adults three-man nba damn with flesh guys coming and that was that was awesome but it was always packed out like you said you had to your turn and you when you could not at all for you might as well just go to something else. But i don't remember a lot of girls there. I still remembered and maybe just pay me. What do you remember not back then honestly way. It was all pretty neat. You know unisex you well even the gun games. 'cause even girls would go towards that. I never really noticed. There was difference. There that's a great question and the actual analytics on that don't exist. But i would say just based on my observations women girls love skibo. They love ski ball. And i don't know what it is but they absolutely love skibo. So i would say that the the women tend to gravitate towards ski ball whereas the men wanna do the basketball shooting the football throwing the fast pitch game more of those interactive games Or even that punching back like that's the ones that the men wanna do or the boys the women. The girls want to ski ball. There's no scientific data behind that just based on kind of what i see. Now if you see couples come in. The guy is going to be at the crane crane machine trying to win his girl plush. If it's if it's parents same thing parents trying to win the kids plush or may like. I go to plucky duckie. Which is the crane game. Where you get a rubber duck. But it's guaranteed winner every time so it's one of those play until you win type games so i think it also depends on what your demographic is if it's if it's just a bunch of girls. I think they go ski ball. It's much guys they you know but it. It changes based on the makeup of the family. Let's get a little more into that as promised. Let's properly introduced and talk to someone who has worked behind the scenes running several modern day arcades. Hey this is scott from the. No new friends podcast. I used to be general manager at two very large family. Entertainment centers here in the attractions capital of the world. Orlando florida very cool in your observation. What were some of the most popular game any any coin pusher games coin pusher games made the most money barnen at at both locations. Any arcade coin pusher game. Make the most money now. As far as the the the one that had the longest line would be the four player halo game. That game was always always always busy. Just came out about two to three two to three years ago. It was a sit-down halo game fully not fully closed in had doors on both sides but it was a four player shooting game now. They've stopped making the four player and it's only two player or you get the to two players and put together I just happen to work for family. Entertainment center that got suckered into buying the four. Okay so you said coin pusher what is that so it almost. It's almost like a vegas style or carnival style game where you put the in. And it's got these movable platforms with more coins on them and as the coin drops it pushes the other coins over this edge and then onto another edge and then pushes the coins off the edge. Now what's really cool about these. Modern coin fishers especially in an arcade. Is they also have these these cards on these playing cards so like wizard of is is probably the most five wizard vases and willie wonka and you have to collect the set of cards in order to win the jackpot amount of tickets. Now that's really hard to do because there's only if there's a thousand cards in stack there may be only one golden ticket for whitley walker out of that thousand so you have to time it where it's on the playing field because a lot of times they're just in the stack and it only drops every so often and then wizard of is it was like toto was the most rare car defined so if you only have one card it'd be worth five tickets but if you had the entire set so for example wizard of is it was scarecrow lion tin man. Dorothy toto the wizard. So if you had all six thousand tickets some ridiculous bonus. So i would imagine that the games where you get tickets would be super popular correct right and absolutely it is with kids. The redemption games is what they're called in. The industry are ridiculous. They now the only thing that makes more than the redemption games And the coin pushers would be the crane games crane games. Make so much freaking money. It's ridiculous and those things are so rigged. I mean like as as an adult. I'm just like yeah. i'm not fly. Yeah i'd rather go to. Cbs and baio five dollars stuffed animal. But as a kid. That's that's where i be is the crank. It seemed like they put like butter on the clause. Make it super slippery man. Now we're the places you worked where they have more retro type games or they were more modern up to up to date Especially the first place. That i worked at we. We would pride ourselves in getting the most up to date. Games are also our geographic location. We were right across the street from the orange county convention center which is one of the largest convention centers in the country and every year. There was a huge conference called. I ap which was all about amusement. Attractions parks theme parks. It's the biggest. It's the third largest convention at that convention center for the entire year so we were located right across the street so a lot of gay manufacturers were like. Hey we want you to have this on your floor for free. Because we're we want to showcase it in in real time and show potential clients what it does and how it performs now the second place the work that my owners were extremely cheap so we called them classic games they were just old the and it wasn't like time crisis four but there on time crisis five or six you know it was just we got cheaper because they were one series outdated. I'm curious if you got into that biz. Because you were super into passionate about arcade games or it was more about the attractions side of it. both family entertainment centers that i worked at it wasn't just an arcade had a a go kart track trampoline park bowling bar or restaurant so it was more being on the attraction side of things unless about the arcade. I really enjoyed it. Obviously i wouldn't say it wouldn't say arcades our passion i enjoyed really breaking down the analytics and trying to kind of learn where people are spending money. How how profitable. These things really are. Because if you buy a new arcade game it pays for itself in ninety days. It's ridiculous and those things are not cheap. The cheapest one that i've seen role in was five grand. And then they get up to forty fifty sixty eighty grand for these games. Like i said the coin pushers especially like the six player wizard of oz can get up to forty grand and can pay for itself in ninety days. Because it's almost like gambling and a lot of. It's not just the kids that like to play the coin pushers. It's you're you're older demographics as well. Because it's kind of like a casino for them and one thing i've old people love casino games so that game actually comes with with stools to sit on because the people love to sit there with their coined bucket and they're pumping coins into that thing to not coins anymore. Because everything's on play cards but very interesting. So cy winded end for you. Oh and harbor in question right there When they started closing down to be honest like you don't get me wrong. You know the game systems. Were getting better and more more people were able to afford. I would say probably right around. Yes freshman year high school. So right at the cusp of the millennium year. Two thousand year two thousand. A lot of people were more got. The i mean by that time playstation dreamcast think was still around Obscene intendo Xbox was was on the cusp as well so it was more. It was more of a selection yet. It we're closing a lot of those arc aides down. I remember when they were getting expensive. i remember when the carolina ice palace opened up. And i remember. They had that big arcade and it was so expensive because everything was on a car arc. So it's like all right. You couldn't use the coins anymore. You had to use the car and it's okay and then i don't know if it was a price adjustment i don't know i just remember at one point. It started getting a little expensive. Feels like you know what. Let me just get this Playstation or you know ex-boss not risky at the house. Save on gas money. So i would say that for sure. I remember going to the arcade As a kid it was It's called jj starbucks and it was a medium size arcade. But i went to a lot of birthday parties there. I may have even had birthday party. There and i was so devastated when it closed down and i asked my data like why. Why did this place closed down. It looks like all the arcades are closing down he said well you don't make any money if in arcades i mean they're only charging twenty five cents per play was like oh i guess you're right somewhere somehow some. I don't know if they figured. Out a way to make more money in arcades. And i don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the the formula like these family. Entertainment centers like dave and buster's that it's not just for kids. But i say that and chucky cheeses been around for how long. I think back in the eighties. They couldn't figure out how to make money. Because no one no one was gonna put fifty cents in a game. They'll put twenty five cents at a game several times but to activate it. They're not gonna do fifty cents. I mean i remember if i went to a game that took more than one quarter. I went to the next game. I was not putting multiple quarters. End now i would continue but not to the initial play so i don't know if they just kind of figured out a way to i think going to the card system and using that i think was an easier way to make money Because you're putting twenty dollars a carton ain't now you're not thinking about it every time you swipe and especially there's a strategy instead of putting the price of the game like a dollar they'll put credits so it'll be five credits and it's always. It always ends on an odd number so that you you'll always have stuff left on your card so that you're like oh crap i still have two credits left. I need to go for more money on. So i can keep playing and the credit system seems to work mary. What about you that. I guess i stopped going into the arcades because they stopped carrying my games miss pacman was always there but the star wars game disappeared. Mattie when did you stop. I mean the only reason that i ever stopped was because arcades were shutting down. They were no longer becoming popular. Or maybe you had to go really out of the way. There was this place as a teenager as a sixteen seventeen year old friends who have cars we would drive lake twenty thirty minutes to It was sportsworld. You know it had everything there along with some modern stuff I did always loved basketball stuff too. I still lay that too. But then that got shut down and you know it just kind of arcades just got shut down and then stopped going really. Yeah so going to an arcade completely out of your system now It was fun growing up. I'm good now i'm good. It was fun back then. But now i have no desire to do that anymore. Now i'm gonna do a pay. I'm maybe how. Am i thirty six. But i still feel young inside in on. I'm never to for like. I need to go and play. And you know if i had friends and they didn't want to do it i would think like why you know it's so disappointing. But no i am down to get in there and compete whip. Someone's air hockey. So we're on the arcade with all the old games in bring back. Arcades enroll aerobics and i understand that the new generation is all about the computer and stuff like that. But i still think that kids would have fun going to these places and i just wish they brought back and i can't understand why they even got shut down in first place. I mean i guess money wise but you know what here's where hipsters are good hipsters are bringing all this stuff back like listening to vinyl records and stuff even though they're a little they're a little weird they're bringing experiences back so you've hipsters out there you know y'all with the program bring back the roller rink the arcades said. I'll tell you there's a place that has a lot of the old school games which is cool and dnb they've got they've got regular arcade games as well as like the the activities for the kids feel the places around here. I'm here to protect us. There's a place up in treating will. Often pizza ends a full on go-carts miniature golf at all art games are on the inside. We haven't place air up. And i think it was near arad is unconstrained fund frankie's fund fame. Set up man. You know when the folks came through this all happened franken part because it was this big old aims at stopping outside. If you wanted to take a walk with a special someone walk around and so for that experience. Yeah i'd totally do what he wants. All this up man. I was trying to get to go out to the same deal down the street and she's not really into school but if i had a crew and we just wanted a flashback date for chore for sure it had out there the last time i went to the news when my nephews came through kind of my ear inn yoga but electrification for money. Those kids are screaming. Money grading are like. I'm not your day. i'm your uncle you i know. It's so funny. How perspective of money changes as as adults from. We were kids only hit on that man. I would now like every game. Nba cost you probably a couple of bucks who remove like a quarter. Twenty five fifty cents. But that's the old school. May i guess we're in that age but now which is also ask. Oh hey old. School is cool. Yeah so lutely absolutely big time. Show me whereas that i'll make a night where okay friday night or saturday night sunday. Whatever on my dad seriously. i'll tell you right now. Eight oh let me go. Don't let superwealthy. Oh i'm serious. Do not because if you know what when that happens i'm going to buy have gonna have us find shop and back all of that. Break back arcade number mchugh czars accuser delays attack on laser tag. Yes oh discovering zone it off. Obama renovated free Free plays bark. Get rid of that yet if they bring back like the classic arcade. Oh my gosh. have you know it'd be enough. People are we would be in there like cans. We'll probably come all right. Let's go back. Played playstation buys spots xs. And all that man. Let me get real so i can really like doing these kids dirty. These kids i try to play and they just talked so much trash. y'all bullies man. I want to play with but let me put it in the mid to know it is ultimately bring orcades back. That's just bring it back. You have people like myself and others who are dying for this comeback. Let us relive. Watch out a reboot everything in the movies anyway. How about you reboot arcadi do that. I'll tell him. I would love that tie you down with arcades now for a family type trip like i've been there with my kids my husband we've been dave and buster's and the girls played we all play the arcade team so i think today it would be for me more of a family. Event in versus assaulting or me with what. The kids are dad with girls deanna. What did he say. Yeah yeah for sure. I mean there. There's good and bad any time in our lives. But you know i like to hold onto the good and this has been a conversation thinking back to to that time and i think it's great to hold onto a little bit of your youth and don't forget like where you came from it in and and play i actually had a guest in my podcast not too long ago and he goes into corporate offices in teaches the the culture there. It's important to still play like a kid because you know it. Just loosens things up. It helps build creativity. And you know it's just. I feel like if we get too serious with lives. I mean that's just good. You gotta still have fun now. I would go there for nostalgic purposes because as kind of like how a song can time capsule and takes you back in time. You know now. If i go into an arcade and klopp and a quarter and i play miss pacman. I'm eight years old again and my mom and dad are somewhere nearby and there's that feeling of nostalgia and for a moment while i'm playing that i'm that that time so it still importance. It still has a place in my life. And i hope that when i sneered having dementia or that somebody will say apart me in front of a star wars game or pacman and that made me. They'll get a low life out of me. You know what's funny too. I just wrote this down. I saw and it broke my heart. Because i've spent at super nostalgic maverick My birthday best so he. I'm sure you've seen this is me so it's like at some point in your childhood you and your friends went outside to play together for the last time and nobody knew it. Man dingy rock. You know you for the last time and none of us knew it. You and your guys girls. Y'all outside hanging out and then after that you know that was the last. So that is heartbreaking. I know that's a way and you didn't know it. We all we all done it. We all have scott cheer me up man or arcades did no no arcades are definitely not dead in fact like i said there's a reemergence of them and they're gonna be around for a while. Yeah it's different. It's different first of all. The games are brighter their brighter their louder. Obviously the technology of the graphics are just ridiculously better And and as a kid you know. I think the arcade was that hang out place for for for kids. You know it was the hey it saturday. We're going to go to the arcade. I think i think that the television show stranger. Things does a really good job of portraying what it was in the eighties and now i think it's more of a family type thing i don't think you have as many of the irregulars because i think they are larger and i think they're more expensive than so. It's can't go as often as you'd probably like. I love checking out new arcade concepts especially if it's an adult type atmosphere where they do sell food and alcohol I i love them. I think it's the most brilliant new concept that probably starting with dave and busters were really starting to see an emergence of it around especially in florida but probably around the country. I mean there are. I would say three or four different arcade concepts down here very large arcade concepts. There's game time Main event which is a bowling facility. But has a huge arcade. And then andretti and or carney games. And dave buster's and i think it's a brilliant business model because not only is it great for the families but it's great for the adults so that's true alcohol is a good drop go-carts and stuff and i think those little arcades those are those are dead but the arcade is a whole the they're going strong. Ergo by definition i guess arcades aren't dead they are just different and in a world. That mostly sucks. I just hope that the younger generations are making some great childhood memories. Just like we did. I gotta give huge. Thank you to my guests tie. thank you mary. Hi thank you all right. Be well natty. Thank you all right cedric. Appreciate your brother to me until you folks up man guys the anna thank you so much and you have a thriving podcast as well which is called pre podcast. We'll tell us about it. So i talked to people that are basically living life on their own terms people that have maybe like experience some trauma and overcome it. It's mainly really all entrepreneurs. People have broken out of societal expectations. Not you know we have. We are programmed at a very young age that we have to live like certain way. And i love talking to individuals that are inspiring that have not that are following those rules and have decided to to to to create a life that they are proud of and that they're passionate about it really could be artist could be You know i mean. Even artists are entrepreneurs. I mean you're an artist. I'm an artist doing this on. I just talked to the most incredible people. All around the world. I i absolutely love it. Absolutely love it mata authors. I know that. I probably in the last couple of weeks sold like five books for my authors with the audience so that is so rewarding when i when i get messages like that awesome. Well thank you. I love it. I'm glad i could be a part of that's awesome. Scott you have a podcast as well right. yeah absolutely. It's called the it's called the no new friends podcast we can be found on all Podcasting platforms. we also have a youtube channel. And i i love when people ask me what the podcast is about. Because it's a podcast about everything and nothing at the same time you know we. We really talk a lot about just everyday life but with a comedic twist on it. You know it's adulting. It's parenting lot of pop culture. We kinda talk about what's going on in our life. We try to keep the topics very relatable but also very very funny. And that's that's kind of it you know it's it's about everything and nothing at the same time awesome. Well thank you again. Men learned a lot and had some other suspicions confirmed. Thanks for having me man. i appreciate it. And finally the radio star and co host of the comic section podcast and mogul of the comic sections podcast network. Jason aka jay rock the mic. Look i can talk. Owned nagy's man nineties. I do bad nostalgic nerd at heart man. That's gonna say. I love it. Thank you sir sir are so what do you think. Did you ever get your name on the high scoreless. Was there a difference. In boys and girls game choices are arcades. Did to you or are you still down the go. I'd love to know my email is studio at sonic embassy dot com and you can also find the sonic embassy on twitter bureau facebook patriot and i g website. Sonic embassy dot com links. To diana's and scots and jason's podcasts. Or in the description. If you enjoy this episode share it so more people can find out about us because we wanna grow but if you think this podcast will never get its initials on the high scores. 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Anna Ivanovnas Ice Palace (GT Mini)

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Anna Ivanovnas Ice Palace (GT Mini)

"This episode is brought to you by verizon. The experts have spoken. Horizon has been named america's most reliable network by route metrics proving. There's only one best network best and most reliable based on rankings from the root metrics. Us root score report dated first half twenty twenty one. Your results may vary cold as ice. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca lieb and this is ghost town. Ice installations are long standing russian tradition. They were built as fortresses for the training of soldiers and for the entertainment of civilians in the winter of seventeen thirty nine with record cold temperatures. The empress anna ivanovna ordered alexis tutsi chev-. Sorry about the pronunciation a court functionary to construct an eighty foot long thirty three foot high twenty three feet deep beautiful ice palace the palace itself and the surrounding festivities were part of russia's victory over the ottoman empire and would represent russian patriotism and power and also anna ivanovna's own particular brand of sadism. But first let's get into a little bit about ivankov. The russian empress that is kind of forgotten. She reigned for ten years and they were memorable but painful. Born in sixteen ninety. Three anna was the daughter of czar. Ivan v a useless man who has really only there for ceremony. Peter the great and his uncle and co czar. Perform most of the reels our jobs and grew up with a traditional russian royal upbringing for girl no education. She was barely literate. She was also according to texts. Not pretty the author. Thomas carlyle wants cruelly described. Her cheeks as westphalian ham. She was mean she had terrible manners. But still in royal tradition. She was married off. To frederick william. The duke of core land now part of latvia and anna was really into it. She was actually really happy to be married. She loved him authentically for all intensive purposes. What i saw the wedding was beautiful. She was dressed in the finest and the ceremony ended with a display of beautiful fireworks but two days after the couple's marriage and his uncle czar. Peter the great staged a wedding of two dwarves as a cruel parody of anna's this description again his it's in the history books. And it sounds really heartbreaking between his marriage to anna and attending the very strange dwarf. Wedding frederick william the duke of coralline. Drink a lot even challenging. Peter the great to a drinking contest. He drank so much that he got sick and died two months after his own wedding. Anna was heartbroken wanted desperately to remarry but peter rejected every suitor. They were almost two hundred of them. An- anna internalized it and took the hint. She was not supposed to have love and she started. Heating the idea of love with frederick william's death and it became ruler of core land and in seventeen thirty she became empress of russia which gave her a lot of power to do whatever she wanted and so with her power she made an ice palace and this is when something celebrated takes him a cobb turn. Angie's list does now. Andy and getting your to do list done just got easier between back to school and with the holidays around the corner it can feel like. There's no time to tackle home projects whether you need help with emergency repairs for major upgrades. Andy matches you with top local pros. Who can get the job. done right. Browser views see upfront pricing and instantly book. Hundreds of projects. Save time for what matters most book your next project at anti dot com that's a. n. g. i. dot com okay so we have this sarinah zara s. She is drunk with power and a man named prince. Mikhail from one of the most noble houses in russia married a catholic italian woman anna given her history and demeanor. Took it incredibly personally. This is a man who was well liked in court very popular authentically showing his love for his wife who was catholic. Which again and i hated three things love marriage and catholics and they were really happy. Unfortunately prince mikhail's wife died shortly after their marriage but anna saad as an opportunity. She turned mikhail from a courtesan from prince almost into a court jester. One of his duties as court jester pretending to be chicken and sitting on a nest of eggs anna's reception room and pretending to lay them when visitors came to see her so something that is so dignified in happy. This man living his life reduced down to a joke to a degrading position in the court in seventeen thirty nine and decided to marry prince mikhail to one of her maids. I've yet ivanovna. The made was apparently very old and ugly on the day of their wedding. The couple were dressed as clowns and made to ride an elephant to be presented to a laughing crowd. Prince mikhail and abdollah were married legally and this is where the ice castle comes back into play. They were demanded they could not go against. This meant to spend their wedding night. They're forced wedding night inside of the ice palaces. Primary bedroom the bridal suite. Did i mention to that. They had all their clothes taken away from them during one of the coldest winters in russian history. Most people thought they would freeze to death but they didn't supposedly they survived because the bride traded her pearls for coat from one of the guards they also spent the night running around wildly. Apparently breaking anything they could find just trying to keep warm the legend that the couple went on to actually enjoy a happy marriage and have twins conceived that terrible night in the ice. 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049. Die Another Day (2002)

SpyHards Podcast

1:58:51 hr | 3 months ago

049. Die Another Day (2002)

"Hello and welcome to spy. Hans podcast where your hosts go deep undercover into the world of spy movies to decipher witch films. Make the noc list but remember this. Information is strictly for your is only. I'm agent scott. I'm the provocateur and scott. You'll never kill my dreams and who would want to come but before we go any further we are joined today by very special guest emerging from the cuban ocean is none other than him from the verbal diorama. Podcast thank you for joining us as c. You handle your weapon. Well there's gonna be a few of these high scott. hi tom. sorry i couldn't. i couldn't help myself. Welcome to the show. This is a law well before we get into it As it were and talk about the film that we're covering this week and let's hear a little bit from you. Now you've cost run the verbal diorama poke cost we talk about films every week but as a guest. We won there a little bit. More about your spiny background. So could you tell us your favorite spy film can only choose one. Oh my gosh. Desert island discs type situation. You've only got the why and this is very very hard. I know like no pressure nest. That spy genre as a whole is not something that i i'm very well. Kind of interested ways Mainly because i hope completely honest. I would make a really terrible spa because i. I don't have a poker face an convoy. So if i was obviously. I don't like to be tortured especially doesn't scorpion venom. It's really bad that he skin scoping benham's not not nice little but yeah i would make such an awful spy and i guess spoil. These that are ready are against coins. Go to one of the ones that i featured And i'll tell you what it would be between probably between blonde and probably the longest good night because that both of these really we'll visit that female fronted for star fan female tonight. Lufthansa angels toys agencies is like the camp summating pins could is just crazy shit action. God's saying the only really love a atomic bomb. This is gritty realistic. I mean what shall thrown does not really une-. She's incredible she. She's everything she's a goddess and Yeah if you're forcing me up in point under torture circumstances bit work. James bond has to go through it. Stop this movie multiple all of that stuff just to get the answer out of me. That saving that's nothing happen the way receiving that you don't have always book it for the time and you're not gonna be like my hidden because that's not what you want but if if you kind of false to choose i public expert tommy blonde okay. That's a really interesting movie that i'm looking forward to delving into the future. We talked about longest night on the podcast and really enjoyed revisiting. That so yeah. Fingers crossed atomic blonde delivers. When we do the revisit. Yeah ought allow. I think it will. I think it upset you will. Obviously it's a little bit of john wick in. And i have to get here on in some ways. I was waiting reference. We're going to cover the impostor. Yeah well an absolute you should absolutely you know who to get involved with that But yeah i think told me blonde is i mean it. Didn't it didn't do particularly well and definitely deserve to do a lot better than than a really enjoying it is a shame. We didn't do better in terms of returns but moving on from there. Now as i mentioned before verbal dioramas your podcast ted. Listen a little bit about what you do. I mean you probably should scrape this but when people ask me several tyron. But i'm just going to have to make up on fly really So that's i. Rama is basically a podcast. All about history next of maybe you know you don't on a big fan of the history of move as kind of how they come to be production stories A little trivia. Edison's little kid. I've looked bits of information about how things are made. And i'm just so fascinated with how a movie kind of the idea all the way through to completion. Irregardless of how the movie actually turns out no sets out to make about moving and i think the retrospectively a lot of movies are better than a lot of people. Give them credit for some of the things that a lot to focus. I love to focus on was nation. I always animation edison. His little and i think animation can tell a story alert live action in so many ways of practical effects is quite a bit. Lloyd handle on is a bit of a dying art and practical effects would always h better than cgi as you as we can see something just recently jurassic park celebrated its vader's below stark as we recording today celebrating. Its fortieth anniversary and half adjusted. Did i still still look because the practical effects shy and also champion movies that you know. Maybe people didn't really like very much and didn't do very well. I don't like to basically look into them. And and basically say why we should look these movies and how fantastic i are just to the fact how they actually made and the things that went into. These movies movies willow. I'm movies like john card. Salvin you know the fact that yes these movies you could argue by not perfect but not knowing that she's perfect and maybe they'll be talking about i think he's a great example over movie. Full of cgi goes orders. The practical effects posted to count on. That isn't definitely not perfect. But i do think has redeeming features. Yeah okay that's a good segue into the movie right. Scott well i i do have one more question. She might set up ems stance on james bond. Okay i know some information a you know the question is how many bond films if you've seen. Oh god and this. This isn't a put you on the spot. Make you feel bad guys have a reason. I'm austin this question. I think for the day so we'll be completely list own that many bond films on dvd or blu. Ray don't enter the day. I think he's the sexual potency That i owed the other ones casino. Royale what it comes to actually watching bond. I mean obviously a growing up in the uk. James jason babies who always on the tv. You'd have every today you'd switch on tv and that'd be upon me on in the afternoon so i always grew up watching bits of bond movies. You know the sixties and seventies the sean connery the gym all kinds of bonds. But it was only ever bits and pieces. It was never also sit and watch a full movie. Because i was a kid would do that outside. The normal child do normal things readings canadians tobacco. That's the weird stuff that i did as a child so when it comes to actually cinematic bond it wasn't really something only can say no longer. Stay that. I have a great deal of experiencing this like when he came to come on this podcast. We talked a little bit about the toll pig for me to come on. I know we throw a couple of movies back and forth and obviously was originally going to be something else. I'm not gonna say well. That was but something completely different to bond. And and when he suggested bond Yeah yeah. I'm excited when you suggested atty not to be honest. Oh it was quite intrigued because it is a movie that i definitely have seen before because i definitely remember certainty scenes at the movie. The mostly the worst but they pierce brosnan conde. Beira is probably so pierce. Brosnan daniel craig errors probably the erased. The dog seen the most. Because i've definitely seeing was gonna call it goldmember. Even my golden i. I mean stephanie. Goldeneye of definitely seen torn guys of definitely seen the world is not enough. And i've definitely seen diner the day and then obviously all the daniel craig bonds are so most of those. The cinema actually really mod. Modern bond is the bond that i've seen the most Seen bits of older bond. But i couldn't. I continue the plot of octopussy. Neither could i. If you could woman names up to i. I mean the reason i ask is because if you look at the who we've had on this guests so far for brosnan bonds we the i guess we had was was janine smith. Camp sister for tomorrow never dies and then we followed up with dr lisa funnel for no enough. And she's the bond doctor. She basically wrote the book on bond. Okay now i wanted to. We've had two people that are very engrossed in the bond universe and they have varying opinions grossman and what i wanted for. The follow up was someone who's well-versed on cinema yes well versed on cinema. You love movies. Do po cost about movies. And so i thought. I want someone who loves film to come and look this film setting me up for failure. Basically go into these brosnan bonds and you're choosing guests really knowledgeable in bond and they know so much about bond and then we get to diner the day and then every everyone listening is like this random person literally knows nothing about jake's book where you see this is it being cam can cover the knowledge in the in jokes but there's always a question of does this. Well here's a film and sometimes maybe hold that for a minute. But i think it's good to look at these films also is just a piece of cinema and if you just rely on the sort of because this is meant have been the twentieth anniversary. The twentieth anniversary of james bond. It was a big deal when it came out. Which is the background. Which cam will deal with it in a minute. But i want to someone who is fresh to look at this film. And that's why. I thought you were good guests. I guess we'll find out fight disciplines. Great on me. Wouldn't it know it'll look bad on. Scott yeah i just said guy exactly exactly well. I think we've definitely given away now cam but just in case. What are we doing this week. Well scott we're talking about two thousand. Two's dying i'm out there day. Sigmund freud analyzed this this out shoreline. Thanks everyone well before we dig into it any deeper. Let me read you. The box dot com synopsis and it might be one of my favorites die another day. He's never been cooler. Don't takes on a north korean leader who undergoes dna replacement surgery that allows him to assume different identities american agent jinx johnson assist spawned in his attempt to fort the villains plan to exploit a satellite that is powered by solar energy from spoilers in there for. I just like the tagline. He's never been cooler that was. I don't think both a car. I don't think that was the tagline on the posters was it. I don't have any memories of that May maybe they were on a couple promos but weird. It's coda like clever So i mean it definitely plays into the joke dad. Broza emboldened saying yeah. Yeah but before we get the background. I i want to initial reaction to when this first came out now am i know you've basically just washed it for us but were you aware of this film in the background. Had you seen. You said you've seen bits of it. Would you were you where it's legacy absolutely. I mean it's kind of my job. Yeah no i absolutely a preset. And i have seen this whole fill a because i i definitely do remember it and the negativity of this movie is actually incredibly potent when it comes to modern bond and i think a lot of people forget that the without this movie beating so average. It's a way five in some ways. Decent we wouldn't have but the modern bond that everyone loves so much daniel craig so people forget that sometimes a movie that i mean because this maybe getting credit be well at the box office as well believe it was It was the highest grossing. James bond movie To that point on. I don't know exactly Because i don't have fixing for to me but it was an incredibly successful financially support that successful i should say movie So the fact it wasn't very good Actually really shaped james bond. Whoa whoa whoa. Very good wasn't very good. It's the best i've ever seen. I mean we'll be watching the same thing probably know watching the version. That probably would be better. Legacy of this movie is inevitable in many ways can do you have any memories of this film i do. I was really tracking the production on the back in the day. Through things like cityscape magazine and rumours printed my local newspaper. I remember there was a lot of rumors it was going to be called beyond the ice and so i was really excited. Oh my god. What's beyond the ice is going to be like. There was rumors of catherine zeta jones being the co star I don't know how much of that was actually accurate. When i went to my research a lot of this stuff just seemed like it was a rumor at the time but back then rumors really did pick up steam and wound up at least in my head and so this was one of the movies i was the most excited about and i remember going opening night with my friend. Mark and mark was more of a casual bond guy. He'd seen them all mostly. Just thanks to me. I'd forced him to watch all of them. But i remember sitting through it. And i tend to find when i see bond movies. It's rare that i walk out. I'm happy like i may have quibbles. May walk out be like That would needs to be rewatch. I'm not sure about its place yet within the canon because the bond movies have such a vast canon that i never really know as i'm watching it in the immediate experience where it kind of fits in how i feel about it. Because bond is such a trend hopping franchise that it's ridiculous to sit through the movie and be like well. I don't like this one. Because it was ripping off this or that bond movies like ripping off this or that like beginning from the seventies onwards so i remember sitting there and a lot of the effects stuff going oof. Don't don't care for that. I remember my friend barked turning to me at one point and saying why is everyone talking. So weird and i was like. Yeah it is a little arch in a lot of the dialogue. In a way that i don't feel was the case in the last few. But i also remember walking hoping well. It had a lot of action It had a lot of great locations. I guess it was all right but it also wasn't one that i walked down excited. The way i did with tomorrow never dies goldeneye. It was just like yeah that was. I think okay you know like. I don't know that. I had a radically different reaction. Walking out of this one than i did world is not enough for example It was more like once. The rewatch is in the years with the movie. Kind of sat. I figured out. Exactly where i kind of slotted it in my ultimate take on the movie. My was different in the sense that i was. I definitely seen the wall. There's not enough cinema. And i remember going as a family to see die another day. I remember being aloft. Press here in the uk for especially when they were filming around buckingham palace all that sort of stuff same when they filmed by the o. Two who does know enough. But i remember. It was one of my first experiences walking out of a film and being like. I think this was very good and fifteen. I didn't have that sort of mind to really understand what i didn't like about films. I just remember walking out. Event as a family agreeing. Just wasn't that great and being disappointed by it. And i hadn't watched it since until now don't and that's not because like well. Yeah i was. Just i felt like it. That's such a weird taste in my mouth. I really want to revisit and it be even worse. Wow okay so that doesn't age well in many respects So i i can imagine what if you watch this movie when i came out and then you only rewatching again. Now there is really does not hold up And not just talk about facts. Yeah i mean when it comes to the effects. I remember even at the time kinda groaning about those but the fact was if you were watching a blockbuster in the early two thousands late nineties filled with terrible effects. You know you're watching the day after tomorrow Yeah that was a movie the day. After tomorrow. With dennis quaid and jake jewelry had like the really fake looking wolves. You had the mummy returns which is filled with all sorts of cartoons. Like you were just used to going to movies. And i remember my friends and i walking out of almost all of them. Being like yeah. The effects were horrible in that matrix reloaded with the big burly brawl. First harry potter with the quidditch stuff. It was just like failed with terrible. Cg so while watching this movie now last night it's glaring at the time it was just like yup. This is just the trend now. Yeah yeah. I absolutely agree that it was a definite trend so late. Ninety two thousand. And that's one of the notes that actually night about this movie if it just feel very to thousands like it just encompasses everything about early two thousands meters really one movie thousands with low the bond films much as you can tell they were filmed in certain areas because of just the way things look they do have a timeless. Feel to them and i. I'm not sure this one does. We'll get to that in a second there near the part of my memory of this film is my family still use against me because i as a kid on the i four brothers and we would all pick films to go and see at the cinema from time to time and this two picks that they will always hold against me. This is one of them. And the other one. Which i mentioned later i actually think ties into this film quite well. And since then they wouldn't trust me for any cinemark vice whatsoever. I don't think marco ever trust me for cinema advice after dragging this. So yeah because you called beheld responsible for something that you wanted to do. When you were fifteen. A parents 'em i'd be terrible terrible choice in decisions a choice. I don't even know what i'm talking about. But yeah terrible taste is what i'm trying to say when when i was fifty awful taste genuinely awful taste tasted everything. So i mean creaky. People held that against me. Now i mean i would not be a podcast. Cast as i would not be doing this. Yeah so that's all anyway. Well cam you said something about going down together into the background of this film. Of course so could you fill me in some more. There's a lot of background on this Admittedly it's about full. But i think we'll get around it so you mentioned it earlier. I can one of you that this was the twentieth film fortieth anniversary movie. So there's a lot of pressure on it and the producers were very desperate to not only have fresh ideas for this film and to honor the past as well. There's kind of like this back and forth. But they said they wanted to define. What is the bond of the new millennium. And i think that they were putting them a lot of pressure on themselves to define bond for the decade. Although i guess when you go back and look at the first bond movie of a given decade tends do that fairly well. But i guess they want to repeat that here so they turn to neal purvis and robert. Wade who had written role does not enough and going forward. We're going to write a lot of bond movies and there was a few things that were kicking around. The north korea element was so much in the public discourse at the time that that was automatically in. That's for sure what they wanted to be tied to one of the early plot so that was come up with was roxy is operatives creating a decoy villain. Who was paid by the us and ultimately turned on the employers now. That kind of went nowhere because nine eleven happened and the idea of creating a us funded villain it just not the time. So that fell by the wayside but one of the elements that did continue onward to us. Pierce brosnan at this. Point was very vocal about pushing bond towards more character drama. It's something he really started in on with tomorrow. Never dies onwards and one element that had been kicking around for quite a while was bond being captured tortured so that may bras and very happy. It gave him an angle on the character and wind up being used. So around this point they brought in lee tamahori who was a new zealand-born director. He made a movie called once. Were warriors about mary culture. That barbara broccoli was a huge fan of he'd also done the edge with anthony hopkins and along came spider with morgan freeman. They also looked at a few other directors They looked at stephen hopkins. Who did lost in space. Stuart baird who did us marshals and would go on to star trek nemesis this same year and they also looked at brett ratner so Thankfully that one didn't come to pass because that would have aged really badly. We just accidentally outed my second film. Oh really what was it. Then you gotta give it away now. Well yeah star trek nemesis same year. Oh yeah yeah drag drag my entire family to go see it and I never hear the end of that. One okay well. I was fearing. You're going to say two thousand. Two brett ratner films so i think this is a step up. So basically tamahori came in. He read the script and said he was hooked from the opening surfing scene. He had visions of what he wants to do. With this surfing scene and that was like a big hook he also really loved the fire and ice theme of the story and visually thought he could have a lot of fun with that now. Brosnan has an interesting quote. That's in the james bond archives where he talks about tamahori and this had to be given before they shot the movie. Because brosnan says it's a reality based character peace and he's hungry for it. Would you call this movie. A reality based character piece guys. I would maybe the first i was examining the words reality based character piece. The word based is correct. A piece is true but reality and characters. I see none of these things. Like i think that's going to be something interesting to talk about as we continue on through the review but weird quote from brosnan. There must've happened before production. It had been like a you know maybe a press thing or something This movie does change so the movie starts to certain way it stops called grounded in my opinion and then he just goes completely haywire. It seems like they may be had an idea to make this really greasy on. Maybe a net is assigned not. Actually we want to be completely crazy so when it came to casting you know berry was in pretty early on but some of the other choices were interesting. Rick yune Who plays out came in and he really wanted to play colonel moon. The character played by william lee at the start of the movie and tamahori actually talked him into taking the dow role. And i think that probably fared better get way more to do when you're in the movie so i'm really happy to actually have ricky in that role. The other one was actually the staff grades role. Now tamahori says a lot of actors turned it down and his reasoning was interesting. Or he says they didn't really get it or they didn't embrace double identity. I'm wondering if it was also like a lotta actors. Read that on the page set This sounds like it could be a little iffy. I don't know that quite wanna play this character. A problematic element buried in here somewhere. Isn't that buried if it's literally the problematic aspect of upgrades is not even buried is literally surface level. Eventually your royal yeah exactly quindici. Having a white man play a north. Korean man is not good animal. Quite a lot of people were interested in that so it doesn't surprise me in two thousand and two even that a lot of actors would maybe look at that go Gnarly sure how to play that one. That seems problematic. I'm just going to bail on this on. So toby stevens ultimately took it and he said his dream was always to play james bond. But that didn't look like it was ever going to happen. So offered a bond villain role. He said he had to take it. He was a big fan of the franchise. And i think he actually read some of the novels now for some of the audio books or even some of the radio dramas yeah. He does. The bbc radio dramas. He's basically done most of the books at this point. He's most recent one was two thousand eighteen. I think you did moon raker. Yeah so the actual production though seems like it was fairly smooth bras and said it was actually a lot of fun other than he injured his knee quite badly. During the hovercraft sequence and was out for two weeks while production had to mostly shutdown. Barry also had an eye injury at a certain point as well that necessitated some medical care but nothing to really you know grievous but it should be noted. Halle berry won her oscar for monster's ball during production of this film and It's it which of course added hugely to the marketing. And what the movie could really put up front like. This is the first movie. She makes post oscar win. So there's a reason. She's on all the posters and everything like they really wanted to market her. In many ways on equal footing with james bond. That's the first time that ever really happened. So it's interesting and It was interesting. Just also going through the archives. In reading what tim hurry to say about the movies action sequences particularly anything that came from the cg and he talks about how he had real misgivings about the cg. He was worried because he felt like if they didn't pull it off. It was all going to fall back on him and he said ultimately it was like well. This is where movies are going. So i guess this is where we're going and so i think that's just an interesting to keep in mind as we continue onwards with this movie. Which obviously very very heavily influenced by law. The c. t. blockbusters time and tim hurry would go on to do the sequel to triple x. And that movie is also wall. Cj so i wonder if he was a guy who just was making movies at the wrong time. Because i don't i don't know that. Cg his his ass strong suit. Well could have been done better time. Is there examples of. Cg that in better done or was it just. This is where the technology was in two thousand and two. I mean the problem was when you look at say like jurassic park. A lot of is practical dinosaurs. That they're cg augmenting like it's going back and forth between the two. A lot of movies just went crazy. Though in the two thousands were when all cg like just all of it and they didn't have the ability and the stuff in some of the star. Wars prequels is good but they also have industrial light and magic making those movies they have the best of the best whereas that just wasn't the case for most productions so i think that was also the problem and dennis muren was overseeing the effects on both the star wars prequels and jurassic park. He was like the mastermind very much of the cg sort of ushering in of that whole era and He didn't work on this movie. So i just think it was people trying to play catch up and that was the case with so many movies at the time. Yeah i completely agree. I think that the in in movies the have great. Cj oh look great cd. There's always stay small practical element behind that. And i think the trend literally was put as much. Cj new movie as possible. People won't any looks. Like i think the mummy returns is a very good example. Actually although if you'd have landed the money that i would have stopped recording immediately. The mummy returns is a really good example because they actually I mean the. Cg is quite bad in that movie and that's because it was rushed production and the cg wasn't actually finished so a. I think a lot of these kind of on. Cj is going to cut corners a little bit because he's while we don't have time to shoot is practically so let's just stickered. Cg something in there instead it will make you know it makes too but of course it doesn't make because human brains on't trained to not say cj holding valley thing you can tell that it's a cg version of james bond that you know surfing the huge kind of thing that is always. Isn't it with ice. know what. I'm getting confused because i watched movie. This thing had like the title life getting confused with lowest entitled legs and stuff what. I'm glad you bring up waves because actually do you remember also around this point. A perfect storm came out and all of that movie was marketing that big. Cg waves so it was also a period where filmmakers wanted to really market are not so much filmmakers but the advertisers really wanted to market big cg shots and so that was also a big deal and it sounds kind of ridiculous now because you know age so poorly but at the time you wanted that big expensive computer generated image in your trailers especially the impact shot at the end. So it's not shocking. A lotta this wound up in this movie. And yeah the other note. I'll make before getting to the production stuff is a pretty funny one the invisible car the vanish. That was actually a purvis in weight idea. They said they pitched and in their heads they were like. There's no way anyone's going to buy this. And they said they were shocked when the producers were like. Hey we like that. So they got this car from aston martin and this is where the story gets funny so pierce brosnan felt. He was very much deserve to have this car that win. The production was over. This was a one of a kind car that he should be given the car for helping promote aston martin throughout the film and aston martin was like We don't know about that. We actually don't really want to give you the car so bras and actually refuse to do publicity for the car after the movie even going so far say he would not stand near it at public events and so aston martin had to give him. The car is the cost. Somebody shamir life doesn't he just just checking. That's like an adult to the yet the particular mate model well continuing on the fire and ice steve of diet other day in two thousand fifteen. The car had a freak fire and burned up so pierce brosnan ultimately lost the car to fire data so yeah. I thought that anecdote was really funny. I such a big hollywood things do. Isn't it totally damn caller. Or what stand next to affirm toys out. Yeah i hate it. You guys have got my car. We agreed that i would get a for for pairing. Its outside caught. You always see he's the vanish. Because it's not bad. But i'm so the budget for this movie was one hundred and forty. Two million domestic made one hundred and sixty one international to seventy one for a worldwide total of four hundred thirty two million dollars for comparison. Goldeneye did three fifty two tomorrow never dies. Three thirty three. The world is not enough three sixty two. And so this was the biggest grosser of brosnan's career and also One of the highest ranking bond films if you for inflation no but Yeah at the time. It was very much champ as he as a huge hit for them critically. Not as well received. But that didn't really matter. Critics had really been on brosnan side from tomorrow. Never dies onwards so you know die. Another day was like a triumphant. Pretty much everyone's eyes and it landed at number six that year between men in black two and signs and the top three was number one was lord of the rings. The two towers number two was harry potter and the chamber secrets and number three was spiderman. So you could definitely see just from even that top three the way that hollywood is starting to lean. And it's kind of what we're still going through where it's like three major franchisees. It's interesting the reception to in terms of the box office because obviously this is his last time bombed and i know there was a lot of people didn't like the the way film went some elements. You would just think that they would want to have him back for a fifth one if it did so. Well well. I've got a note on that. So a couple things kind of in the in the wake of this movie so bras and had a four film contract. It was basically up in the air for a fifth and he says he was invited for a fifth but then eon changed their minds during negotiations. Now here's a quote from michael g wilson. He says contract negotiations dragged on for a year with no resolution. Barbara and i were getting nowhere trying to develop a script to follow up from die another day. We finally decided. We need to reboot the series. Bring it down to earth and start again. So i just think it was kind of like things just got stuck and that sort of spelled the end of the bras nara and i just remember interviews at this time. Like brosnan was really hurt by all this. He was upset. So i feel bad because you know you don't really want bond actors to have that sort of sense when they leave you. Know connery was just happy to be out of their moore. It was kind of graceful exit. At least you know publicly. Maybe not with the final film. We'll talk. We'll talk about that later. But in terms of the relationship moore knew it was time to leave and that was kind of the end. Don's a little a little more up in the air but with pierce brosnan. Who doesn't for quite a while you kind of. It's kind of a bummer. Note for him to go out on for sure as a guy has always defended his films and he loved being bond so to have him be ousted in that sense. I think he would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. Yeah so just a couple of notes to wrap up the behind the scenes. The song by madonna was very controversial. it had a golden globe nomination for best song and a nomination for the two thousand. Four grammys for best dance. Recording but also won the razzie for worst song and madonna won the razzie for worst supporting actress. So madonna very polarizing very polarizing. Can't you really say that. She was a supporting actress when she was only in the movie. For what like three. And i think they were. Just the razzies are known to just take shots on people. And i think that was the case or she was also nominated that same year for like worst actress of the decade or something. She didn't win that but yeah the razzies really headed out for. I mean will. I will always back madonna real. Because she was great in a league of their own. But i i to a certain extent dick tracy is while she was quite good in that the two degree i think madonna actually well. When she's playing madonna version of madonna. And and i don't think that verity. The fencing instructor is kind of any facet of madonna That exists so. I think that's really the only issue with madonna in this movie. She's not playing madonna. The i mean. I don't i certainly don't hate on her in this movie Opie honest don't hate the song so you know the best. I don't think he's was most james bond songs. They of quite clinic. Some there are few misses out there. Yeah i'm not a fan of the song. Really at all. And i do wonder what madonna theme song would have been like more in the like a prayer era like. I think you could have gotten a much better bond song. I just think she's at that whole kind of electronic dance period and just as a weird match. It's not like. I have anything against madonna doing bonds on. I just think they got her at the wrong decade. Yeah i left with honor. I've seen madonna live. I just in terms of this song. I might get back into lay by. We'll just say at this point. I genuinely wish she had kept that secret. That's a line okay and Just the final note that they had planned a jinx spin off and halle berry was attached to do this. They were looking at a late. Two thousand four release. Mgm wanted it to be sort of a alternative to the winter olympics. And they had a director on board. Stephen frears who directed the queen high fidelity dangerous liaisons so guy of some note and ultimately these plans were scrapped about a year later in october. Two thousand three They had wanted to maybe do a while in film back post tomorrow never dies and it feels like they were kinda edging closer to that now with jinx and just still didn't connect. I'll be curious if in the future at some point we do get a launch of a character in a bond film into their own series but not to be for these two given the race amazon. Purchase anything's possible. I could totally see like leshan. Lynch's character from no time to die winding up in her own amazon prime series or something like that in the future but that book is not yet written and i am wrapped up for my behind the scenes details on die another day. While i think it's time to dissect this film and your guest europe i what do you think of dying day. Okay Quite well known on the very positive about media because like i said it is very difficult to make a movie None of us. I mean i don't know who's listening. But i seem the vast majority of people who are listening to this have not made a feature length movie. That's been out in the cinema. You know you gotta take it. Well it is quite. This is quite miraculous thing. So from the point of us at during the day has been made i call negative about that because it is it is a collaborative. So many people working behind the scenes Do loyd to try and be positive as possible. But you know i think if coming on the podcast and you're you're asking me to tell you what i think i feel like i have to be an objective about sexual. So what do i think. Okay as i said. This is a very to thousands. Maybe it feels to thousands. Not just the madonna madonna song but with the school in general is like electro folk pop stuff in his school feels very thousands. The direction feels very to thousands of likes upshots. Slow motion shots just really if feels like this is like two thousand and two in a bottle. That's what this movie feels like. And i to feel very much like this. Smoothie came out at the wrong time because this was like this was bond coming into the new millennium. And i feel like they obviously wanted to follow the trend a toy with osceola if this overblown glancy join all that stuff. But the problem was was the ethics cinema in general. And i'm kind of mainly focusing on on the spice cinema that i'm aware of kind of in the two thousands. When if you look back at the sixties and seventies james bond rewards the cutting edge of action if you wanted us action spy movie you went to james bond james bond was the man you went to say but when it came to like the the two thousands. You had the jason bourne you had the ethan huns born in mission. Impossible franchises were kind of becoming more of what people actually wanted to say. They wanted the sleek action they wanted. These kind of less fantastic plots and they wanted something. That was really grounded in reality and the whole kind of casual sex and copious amounts of martinez. I mean is very much trademark. You couldn't have a bond movie without the casual. Sex shaken not stirred martinez. But i feel like all of that in the kind of early two. Thousands was starting to fall out of favor with us a little bit and especially these kinds of the wonderful grounded realism and coined a solid for bond. Really because this movie has a bit of he kind of has to the gritty grounded realism start. And that's the stuff are really thing works. Well when bond is being tortured and actually get something to do other than standard out tuxedo all the time and i really late start this movie. I think the start. This movie is actually really good. you've got like this critique grounded elon and then it does go into the fantastical and the cgi in all of that kind of opens and it's a little bit lonely to me. This movie didn't know what he wanted to be it. It didn't want to be the critique. Grounded super start. It obviously wanted to have a cgi element and he wanted to have the hebron the puns and everything that james warned is known for. But that wasn't really the kind of thing and obviously at the time as well Going like noticing. The thousands austin powers was really huge. you know the austin house movies. We really really big. I won the second. One definitely was really big into the third one in two thousand and three ugly was and it doesn't really have that level of spoof and hema in this media so it's not adjustable movie. It's not an austin powers. Movie is james bond movie but it doesn't seem to be and it's really frustrating genuinely frustrating that this movie has bits in it. Little sparks that i think is promising. An really kind of interesting analysis of of this movie at nine. What this be kind of meant. For the james bond franchise. I mean it is genuinely fascinating to look into it. Sounds like in her digested for him is found to be conflicted film with bits of of enjoyment that you took from it overrule somewhat disappointed. I mean you don't give one word answers. I mean you have to talk about so you're going to get on route me but if you were to ask me would answer on. Yes i would say disappointed. Okay right. I think camp set it up quite well with behind the scenes trying to spin the law place at once. The conflict makes sense. Cam what do you think well scott. I could learn to like it if i had the time. Okay boy minutes for that. Lines be delivered forty minutes. I've been waiting for that. Okay so diner day watching it last night. I'm kind of in the same boat as am where this movie is. Just a tug of war back and forth for a while for what the soul of this movie is. Because you have you know. And i can understand why doug it in parts when i saw it originally start off with the torture stuff which i think is such a great idea. I've never seen that a bond movie. They're doing things we've never seen before. That's always exciting. In a you know. A forty year old franchise at this point And then it's like the movie keeps introducing you know stuff. i like. You know you had that scene with 'em facing bond in the medical room and she's saying you know why didn't you use your cyanide. You we had to get you out. Because you're hemorrhaging information all sorts of stuff. You're like ooh this gritty and this feels like the sort of thing we would get delved into much more deeply in like sky fall silva for example. And it's stuff like this. I'm really digging. And the movie keeps introducing stupid. Things have bond stopping his heart. And you're like ooh like a bond is ripping batman at this point. That's kind of weird. But then you know you kind of edge. Back into classic bond into hotel having contacts everywhere. And i'm like oh come back on board and then it just keeps hitting you with stupid things and it doesn't consistently and then amps it up once you get to that ice palace and it just tips completely over like that ice palace under a ray from the sun like he just starts to fall apart and i find it wears me out every time. And that's not something i would say about most bond with these like Pretty much all on movies like they may have their bay gum. Bombastic action sequences. But they don't feel like bombastic movies and this movie everything feels very dialed up at a certain point and like there are no small lines. There's no little quick witty throwaway kind of quips or just visual gags. Everything's big and in your face so by the end where you just have like giant. Cg planes flying through cg beams of light and all this bad green screen. I'm just. I'm so mentally check out. That frustrates me. That said it's the type of movie that i know. I'm going to revisit many more times over the course of my life. Because every time i go in i'm like okay. There's things to appreciate here bras and seems very comfortable in the role. He's kind of mellowed out in some ways he's doesn't have to try hard attitude he's just embracing bond is. He's doing his best. Although his irish accent is more prominent in this film especially the first half than in any of the other bond films he does but nonetheless. I like what he's doing. There's various things we'll talk about. I'm sure going forward but just so frustrating because it really does tip over into a mess but You know scott. Let's hear from you so this film starts off with bond being tortured for fourteen months i think then the director lee tamahori decided to then torture us for two hours. I i understand why. I didn't revisit this film i have to say it's good good bits to it. There's things i will talk about later. I had some moments i enjoyed. And they're all good things in trust me but it feels so devoid of life and charm and charisma. That should be coming from a bond film. I don't mind bad cgi. I've been almost put that in a box. But i feel like all the performances and just either super hammy or super stilted. There's nothing really there for me to latch onto and is horrible dialogue. Being delivered by people wouldn't say those words that exchange between jinx and boned at the beach is. I don't know who speaks like that. And i'd love to meet someone. Who does maybe waiting purpose to. I don't know i've heard a couple of jokes about that exchange trying to justify it. I think jokingly justified one was that it sounds like English that was translated to another language that backed english than back to another language then back to english and then forced the actress to say the other one i've heard is that this is just how people talk to each other scott. This is what happens with to unbelievably gorgeous. People talk to each other. Everything's based on the sheer beauty in front of them. It doesn't matter what they're saying. I must admit that. Take you exchange. I mean obviously you're so glad by the beauty of halle berry are think what happens. Is you see halle berry. And don't you know whether you're male female whatever you look at halle berry and you go. Oh my god. She is one of the stunning creatures on the planet she emerges out of the say another thing you brain switches off and you don't actually hear what they're saying because you're so fixed on the beauty of halle berry the even if it doesn't matter what she's saying because she's so pretty a dummy genuinely think halle berry is one of the best things in this movie but i don't think the exchange that they have start. I mean that is not of in halle berry indefinitely. Do better than the the deliberate i mean. Obviously she's going charge great. She's not in charge of what she's saying but the just the way she says it. It's very clear that she knows what she's saying absolute tauch. She doesn't believe what she's saying. I told a. Luckily i think her character to get that up as as the film progresses but i think she's the everything that does get jinx something. I wanted to talk about in a minute. I will just say if i was presented with halle berry coming out at the ocean to walk towards me. I don't think the delivery of the wood mahita would be quite the same. I think would be something close to. I'd probably just go to the floor and starts vibrating. i would require that guy's wheelchair that By the use it asserted bouyed. But yeah i think i were more or less on the same page about this. I think camp probably likes it. The most of the three of us know saying well mari please. I don't want to but ships going down fast scott. I can't be those guys on. The titanic playing the instruments. Is my acapella die. Another day theme song recital like much better. Okay well okay. There's another dissect about what we didn't likeness film bo. What are we to do is put that aside for a second and talk about the good stuff because there is something. Yeah it's a bond film. I think you can find a good thing in any bond film even never say never again So i i think i know what you're on people. What's your favorite thing about this film. You unique give me one again. No you know what we're gonna pass it okay. Well i'm not gonna mention halle berry bankers reset her always think what are the best scenes. Overall is the practical sold fight. Because it's one of your very few practical demonstrations in this movie. And i think he's really good actually a despite being literally dripping with toxic masculinity and ego. It is literally to bell characters that they won't be fighting with. It will be a cockfight actually. Let's be honest. madonna was absolutely right. It is a cockfight. They are ripping them out and they are basically using that penises as holds to prove how masculine bush they are but it is a great way to to the introduce to step graves Well no actually. That's not why not introduced him but but going to get to know his personality in his character clearly. He's competitive. He doesn't like lose And certainly doesn't know to lose to someone like james bond so Yeah i really like that. Seen as a whole may for the practical stuff but will say there's a quite good Was well i mean and what you don't know is that's how common i meant fighting but no it was sold. Well the sad part is scott. And i met at a star trek convention so it was actually just faked phasers. It was really embarrassing just. I'm just reminded that he's not on every. It's not star trek that i just had an you know these was episodes of family guy and a hevea playing the character and he's goes lightsaber. And and he just called you drapes over a pop into my head. And i don't know why i'm really sorry. That image popped into my head far but then you add something nice to say. Yeah so well. I wanna talk about that sword fight for second in that. It is very amped up. But it's grounded again. All practical action and stunts if feels real it's character driven and it even has a little bit of a nod to goldfinger because they're playing for diamonds in the scene. It's very much like him. Throwing the gold in front of goldfinger while they're playing golf. It's just more amped up burnett. I appreciate the sort of way that they're paying majd to the past as they want to do. We had gadgets in accused layer from past movies. Here we actually have a scene playing out in a different way. It's more amped up by stink. I think it still works and toby. Stevens is someone who i actually really appreciate it in this movie. And this is where i'm kind of enjoyed toby. Stevens has almost a no win assignment with this character. The way he's introduced is so vague. They won't give any sort of backstory because it's all based on a twist but like he's given terrible donald but he does it so hammy and he has it any has such an amazing sneer that i kind of love this villain. I wish he'd had more to do. I think if you gave toby stevens maybe a different character in different bond movie he could have been genuinely amazing and maybe a fan favorite but here. He's one of the few things. I enjoy listening to him. Spout off the worst lines like just endless lines. You know that somehow tied at dreams or all that sort of stuff and it's all ridiculous but he does it with such a delicious snarl. Yeah i can definitely understand. It's a bit of a thankless task in terms of gustav graves having to utter the phrase in earnest look parachutes for the both of us. Whoops nemo. I kinda liked that one. I hate more the watch the rising of your son. That's the worst i actually. I didn't mind gustav graves in the sense of the idea of the character in a way. I wish they hadn't done the whole whitewashing issue. I also like the fact that his character when he is colonel moon seems to be quite adept martial artist and then apparently loses that needs to have a nintendo power. Goal to be menacing. I don't know what that whole thing was. I felt like it was like a script. The been leftover came out of their way. These big sunbeam erica. He's the big name is everything has to have a beam. Coming out of the sky. Am uncle without that. He like swords because you saw him fencing. Though you never see that again have magic electric glove. All of this no sense. The worst part of that too is that he not only has the gloves he has the whole. Like get up. Which looks like vr gear or something but like the that is revealed in the big emotional moment for that character where his father shows up and he turns around wearing googly goggle. And he's like hello father and you're like oh like i actually. I really like kenneth saying as his father. I think he actually giving a good performance and like talk about just shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to an actual emotional character moment yet. A strange choice. We'll keeping up for now. I'm gonna go with the bit. I enjoyed as a kid and still enjoy now. Which is the invisible car. One don't understand why people. I think it's really cool. Yeah i think. I can answer why people don't like it and i think it has less to do with the actual car because like you scott. I walked out of the theater having kind of indifferent attitude toward the car. it's used very sparingly. There's a couple of shots but they also show that it's faulty that if someone walks in front of it it gets distorted like it's not like it's completely invisible. I can understand the tech there explaining to me. I think the problem with the car is that to a lot of people. And i'm talking more of a general audience. That goes to see a movie like this. Something's wrong and they're not responding to it. And i think they tend to point to one specific thing that maybe stands out as an example of the larger problem and this is very overblown as we said with. Cgi and kind of ridiculousness. In i think they point to the car because that is the easy thing to summit up. There's an invisible car that extends to the rest of the movie. I don't know that the actual specific use of the car though is that bad nuts annoyed me about the car was it. Felt like obviously bond uses the car. Yes the car. He uses the call to sneak in to grazes special area. That sounds quite wrong tonight. Me not special. Eight uses it to sneak in obviously having the things is is quite ludicrous. Obviously at least taller tracks. Because it's a car why no one noticed that there was like all of these visible tire tracks magically appearing in the snow i have no idea but if we suspend our disbelief for second he uses invisible call he pokes it outside grazes a special area laka la decide and obviously ilise asserted car. Isn't that news until essentially the finale of the movie just before the cars driving on ice extravaganza know disney'll voice but it's james bond in a car and the thing that annoys me so much. She's they obviously had the car that looked like we're going to get bond. Having visible car is going to be awesome. He's going to be able to sneak in anywhere he's going to be able to leave the call there and he's going to be able to escape is going to be. It's going to be amazing. And so you'll telling me it was parked outside the front door for god knows how long and no one noticed. I know visible noble walked into it. No one knows his tire tracks. It's just honestly. It was void to the front door right. And then it's it's not used together until the end. I actually would've loved to see more. Don't know that's ridiculous. Because it's invisible. But i would have thought to see them actually utilize the call. Because what's the point of having a car at the beginning then using the car at the end and just let leaving it popped in. The front of the house. Is that chile for the rest of the movie. Made their sense I feel like they didn't know what to do with the car. You've you've noticed the one that we send you still really really looking forward to ted. I find it might have to die on the snowmobile to drive into it so that well how did you consider. The problem also is that the car is silent. I think it's one thing. The writers brought up was in their minds. The car is something you would use like in the desert in the snow. Very barren landscapes and that it would have vulnerabilities and maybe they should have played more with the vulnerabilities of this car. Show show i'm okay now. We'll have one east but em you mentioned jinx. The you didn't choose that for your one. But cam i haven't really heard your opinion on the jinx character. Did it work for you. Jinx is sort of a mixed bag for me and that she has a lot of terrible dialogue. And that's not halle berry's fault. I think in terms of all the physical stuff that like halle berry pulls off the action. She pulls off everything that deals with physical acting. But i think what of cool ideas that they had here. Was that what happens. Basically if a character from another movie franchise wanders into a bond film. And i think that's what they wanted to do with jinx. The fact they wanted to give her a spin off kinda leads into that idea that this character who is with the nsa has michael madsen as their boss like. There's a whole other world there that's just wondering into this movie. I think that's a really cool idea. And i just think they really kind of botched the writing of jinx in ways that are interesting like bond had a lot of years to a hammer out all the various quirks of that character. So i'm not faulting jinx for not having those in movie number one but i think they need to emphasize what are some of the traits of jinx. Because i don't really know. She makes references to relationships. She does a lot of action scenes. But i don't understand who she is as an actual character versus as an action hero. So i think they needed to work. Maybe a little more there. But i don't know like i. I have liked halle berry and a lot of things you know her. She's amazing in the third john wick movie. I think the problem with halle berry. Is she someone who needs a really strong director and good dialogue and you can get great workout of her. She can't she's not good in projects that are kind of aimless or badly written. You know you watch cat woman which he did. I think the next year. And it's like again an actor whose floundering and i just think here tamahori was not a very good actors director. I think he was probably really busy. Dealing with a lot of the technical stuff all the cg elements. And i just. I wonder say martin campbell had worked with halle berry on this. Be like what we could have gotten out of that. Jinxed character could have been really special. Here it's inoffensive to me. But i also am frustrated by how much more it could have been. Yeah i can see that i. I'm probably more towards 'em out the two of us. I think there's a lot of promise in the character. And i just think she didn't have enough time to flesh it out because she is still secondary to bolt. Yeah oh totally. Yeah yeah. I wouldn't have been against a spinoff. Nother will ever get that now. I didn't think no but let's let's move on maybe some some gripes. Sure we have a few think he might have one in your back. I have more than one that if you're only asking me for one So i mentioned about the kind of i really the realism of this movie. And i really like start. An ice cap mentioned earlier. The scene with 'em and what to say don't mean may obviously i did not star in movie. I am not judi dench. There is no way on earth on could be as amazing as as thank you could ever be so but when when you have that little exchange between bombed and m. and you've got the glass in between them and you know he's been renounced his diablo status and all of that stuff. All that was all solid great. And i really am enjoying getting some really gritty bond. He's been betrayed a. They think that he's so secrets to north korea. At all of that stuff. I was like yeah. I'm really interested in this then. So bond has cardiac arrest. But it's not fake cardiac arrest because you call really do a fake cardiac arrest can you. So it's a real cardiac arrest so he manages to stop his heart beating for okay. So maybe he's underlaw stress 'cause he's been rescinded as below with all vessels stuff and so he has a heart attack. Lead gross goes into cardiac arrest and then obviously very good-looking nurse and a couple of doctors come in and try resistant. Tight him on the very looking lady no gives him the kiss of life as you would do. It doesn't like appropriate to me but anyway you also wouldn't in hospital do that to be. They have breathing apparatus for that. Very reason i mean i. I'm not a medical professional. I'll be completely so. I don't actually know that. For certain. But i'll take your word that they would use operators. You wouldn't have you know any so of kiss of loyd situation in genuine hospital but then so not only is has been able to stop his own heart beating then he basically recovers straightaway and off. It is one of the most. And there's a lot of ludicrous scenes in this movie. But i i have i. Just don't get it. It was it site or was it real and then he just magically cover straightaway. I think he's doing the batman thing. That's something that batman has been able to do with years of training is to stop his heart. And i think that is what we are being told is that bond has the discipline to be able to do this well to be fair. Bond learns a lot of skills and moving. So i'm not gonna fault not necessarily especially when it's needed for the i mean i i apologize. I apologize to james bond. I'm sorry that i question. His skills Certainly don't question. He is terrific british spy Are just yeah. But that's that's where it started to go city for me. It was at that point yet. This this is. This is not the movie that i signed up for because everything the forest ten minutes into the film everyone. That's ten minutes into the film. That's the thing that just sprinkles those moments throughout the first half and then just doubles down in the second going full bore but the warnings are there right from the moment one. Yeah i think it. I think it picks up a little bit again when he goes to hong kong. I'm not sure about him swimming that whole way. No that's no question that Because he's kind of a spy again. He smashes the glossy knows. He's being watched plenty fountains of bounds of desire scott. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry get it right. That's a classic name very well known peaceful desire of course of course of course that's all that's cool one thing i had a gripe with and this is actually resonating previous guest. Janine your sister cam talking about pace brosnan being so of the your dad bond. Yeah this film. Feels like the one for me where he is playing that He's furlong yakking it up with jokes. is not as physical as he wasn't some of his previous films sword fighting seeing. I'll give him that. But yeah especially with his like post lockdown. Look as i called it in my notes. I just feel like he is full. Dad bonded as point. I think brosnan had done a movie on robinson crusoe around the time of this movie. Maybe a few years before. But i remember thinking when i saw him in this movie with the beard and everything that it reminded me of the artwork had seen for robinson crusoe so i don't know that many people made that connection but yeah like i don't know i look at more as like bras just comfortable in the role but it's like this is his bond. It has that sort of dad mode. And it's very telling that this movie's acronym is dad so Why not embrace it. Yeah james bond sad it is. I was gonna say one of the notes i made on this movie. It was kind of a similar thing. That i kind of felt like the pass brosnan. Obviously he comes across as quite so comfortable in the role in a sense of case his physique in the when when it an interesting as well because back in the early two thousands. That wasn't this kind of emphasis on the male body. So much you know hero could be pretty much any shave. It didn't really matter at is only kind of recently. And i don't know whether the daniel craig bone is responsible but obviously going from diners day into casino. Royale way you you do have an incredibly physically fit sculpted bombed that is a a mock change in males ezek in cinema. I mean if you look you know just just going to make a topical for me if you look at the marvel movies nowadays and you look at a card to look full Chris hemsworth is basically getting more raped every single movie because it's almost like is expected of him. the expectation from two thousand. You look at huge ackman's physique not is very similar actually to brosnan's physique in this movie But then you look how. Hugh jackman transforms his body throughout the x. men franchise into the wolverine front choice and through into logan. How much of his physique actually changes phone not quite fascinating to back this movie and to see a a james bond and you know looking obviously back to sean connery bond and it was all chest harun at all of that stuff. That's not something that we see nowadays in our male heroes. I mean if you always of not staff. I mean maybe six woman a heterosexual woman so i made the the physique of malaya mental screen. But the thing that you guys have paid overseeing going through spice demary general and seeing all these different representations of off the male body. And how that's changed. I'd be interested to figure out in terms of history of cinema with at the idea that concept image does change because you are right up until this point all of the bonds have basically had the what you would call the his body in this. Go the love lover going going on i. I've never heard that terminology before but let's put it this way. I have to call mine that so it. It's it's fence mechanism on defending his rosen. Basically I don't know win. It changed into this of body image version. Because i know when they went to daniel craig. They want to change the physicality of bald. He's more of a force of nature those films. Now he's running through wolves. Yeah whereas this is all up to this point. The bond is rooted in that classic fifties style of a international man of mystery spy. That sort of thing where you didn't want to stand out. You wanted to look inconspicuous so you did one like a man mountain like all right. I kind of appreciate that. The person has that look. I used to see where it changed. Yeah i mean obviously daniel craig blows that out of the water when he comes out the water allah you know ursula andress or jinx Kind of setting the mold for what bond should look like. But i guess around that era. That is sort of thing i mean. I wonder if there's a little bit of Looking as well at like you know you've got triple x. Out this year which is like a big hit with in diesel. It sort of that We're starting to see it. Shift a little bit back towards You know like you'll go to the eighties. You've got all the schwarzenegger stallone stuff. And then now we've got been diesels really popular. We're going to have the rocketing more and more popular. Maybe that's a part of it and suddenly become a big deal for actors as well beginning with the first spiderman moving to look really pumped up and you see that in spiderman you see it kind of going forward in like all of the superhero movies So it's probably kind combination. I think christian. Bale in the first batman movies very true so it's probably just kind of slowly building train. I would think i'm whoa. What about you pick an issue. Some you wanna talk about. Oh there's two big ones. I wanna talk about but i'll start with one of them There's a lot of bad writing in this movie and a lot of it is actually things that deflate the film. I think a lot of ways so we have this whole torture story and A lot of this movie is him being like someone set me up. Someone set me up and the movie gives us one candidate as who that could be. And it's not interesting so we're kind of just waiting for the miranda frost reveal and like rosamund. Pike is a great actress. I've liked her in a lot of things. But i mean it's a thankless role here and i'm so frustrated waiting for this character to reveal themselves because the movie a has given her no personality and be has told us right from the get go. There's a traitor and it makes 'em i six look incompetent. I kind of sympathize with michael madsen when he's saying to 'em like get your house in order all that sort of stuff like what's going on on your end because amazon annoyed that like they didn't know that colonel moon had been in the fencing team with her at harvard. It's like you're six. Shouldn't you have done your research like shouldn't you know these things. It just percents bad writing and it all seems to just make six looks super incompetent and it's all tied to this miranda frost character that i find very frustrating. I don't wanna hear characters spend the whole movie saying someone sent me up someone. set me up. If there's only one candidate who could have done it yeah and. They introduced quite quickly after that as well. So it's basically you've got a bond saying so we'll set me up and then oh boy the way he's been basically telling me. He is versatile tool and not doing anything to indeed the counter to the audience. She's played off as well frosty person on the phone. And so you instantly didn't like her she's prickly and then find out she's the turncoat. Okay academy surprised. I find it very frustrating. Like when you look at you know. Some of the other secondary bond villains who are female in the past and the franchise you know. There's a number of them that maybe they don't have a lot of dialogue but they have genuine character like you remember them whereas like miranda frost. It feels that she's written too. Broadly where. It's just like i dunno. She's icy that's her thing. Well that's not particularly interesting to watch and so roseman pike's doing our best. She's fide like she has presence on screen. I think that's why we remembered her when she continued on in her career. It's like oh she actually had presence in this movie but as a character she's not memorable it. It just goes to show. I write a note from interview with rosamund. Pike of our interview process for this film was shit to do a screen test night tomato address off down to run away. And you know yeah. There's a there's a scene at the end with some reason she's top of i don't know why and i don't know what that does for the character and so i sit there going. They don't know what this character is. That just putting a lady on screen. It's a little bit late if it kind of hawks back to Do you remember the tokyo. Physi- back to star trek star trek the second star trek movie the of the of the new generation of the jj stock. While you had alice eve and she was playing a really interesting character believes carol marcus correct and vague interesting cartel and then she turns up in a you know in her dwyer. Just a like okay. I know she's a beautiful woman. You want to say we have a beautiful woman in our cast. But why do you have to do that. Why do you have to have astounding abroad. Knickers at just literally does nothing apart from titillation. And i'm going to feel like trailer. Yeah it is. And i feel like you know in many ways i mean this is just a january kind of bond girl thing but in many ways bond guns therefore she's full Audience relation both mostly. Any of the thing. I think it's quite good. Some bungles do. Have you know really good character development you know look at someone like espen lind really very memorable really good actress and you remember her immediately. You know who she is and any With with a character miranda frost who literally her only character thing is she's prostate but it's a beautiful girl playing uh so of course she has to fight halle berry at the end in in abroa- which is essentially it. Is it just bra. An halle berry has to take her combat top off and she's obviously wearing a toy fifteen best and it is link. These things kind of seemingly have to happen. You always have to have gone election with coaches getting boobs out an ridiculous well. Here's the thing though i think. About just the rosen era dissecting bonds prison era it started off with you know on the top and talia and they are well written bond girl. Who isn't isn't showing off. A figure really should address normal. She's a scientist most fill and she actually has an arc. And you've got zanu auditory. Who's written to someone who almost kills bond yup. She actually has some philosophy behind character. You'd think she might just put it off a different day catching on a bad day and four films later. They've just devolved back to the sean connery bond girls. It feels like they didn't learn anything from the criticisms of christmas jones in the previous film. And it's weird. When i look at the two females female leads in this movie they they don't even feel like characters it feels like someone doing an imitation of what they think. Bond girls are and yeah. I don't know how much of the blame of this should be on tamahori. I'm kind of leaning towards a fair amount in that. It's a lot of this movie. Not just them. But a lot this feels bordering on parody of what a james bond movie is it feels like it's almost imitate james blind. And that's what both these characters to me like. Jinx and miranda frost like think jinx is more successful than miranda frost as a character for me but it often feels like they're almost being written and being told to perform almost like adult film actresses in a movie like there plays really like one dimensional fantasy objects in a way that i think the bond franchise has frequently tried to work around especially with natalia. You know scott you cited it. They were saying back in nineteen ninety four or five when they were talking about their intentions with that character. We wanna make the bond girl of the nineties and it's like okay like you were on the right track in here. It feels retrograde. It's like i don't know what happened honestly. i. I completely agree one hundred percent. They definitely this. This movie does feel like it's funny. Actually because this movie purposefully does pay to so many of these previous movies. It sets out to pay homage with you. Know stuff graves parachuting with a union jack on his parachute to all of the gadgets. And you know all of the call all of these older movies but it feels like it does feel like. I think you're right. It does feel like this is essentially toying. It's almost like he's trying to be a bond movie. But it's not part of the franchise it someone's interpretation of what a bond movie should a but it doesn't just this leads beautifully into the one i was gonna pick because is basically this point. This film to me feels like an invitation. You look at the popular spy films of the genre of spy films of the era. You've got mission. Impossible wanted to or out by this point triple x. has come out these spy films are going down this action route and so if it was like the script right is leader. Hurry have said okay. What if james bond was in an boss. The walls action film as camping is it can go full pedal for pedal down and let's go for it. The problem is then it makes it feel like imitation because it loses charm and charisma. And i mentioned this early. The bond film should also have is almost devoid of charm. And so it feels like this is false characters walking around pretending to in the mission impossible film and and this is what you end up with these these two dimensional bond girls i maybe to maybe if one dimension and then the gustav graves bad guy level learned the whitewashing side of it who is just having up as if it was a some campy eighty s action film. Yeah and then you extend that to the action scenes which feel like imitations of blonde action scenes but done through again that to thousands mold were they feel stripped of sort of the exhilaration and the fun of james bond action sequences because not every james bond action sequence from the passes aged wonderfully. There's lots of them that you kind of watch now new. Oh okay okay. But they have a certain charm about them and there is no term to like the majority of the action in this movie. I think the sword fight which m highlighted earlier has that charm but there is like a triple threat here where we have like the bond in the rocket car the car going off the cliff and the surfing sequence all one after another and that actually leads right into the Car chase which is a little better but these are like big bombastic expensive sequences that no fun to them like. They don't feel like they engaged with you. You kind of sit there passively watching them they don't feel like they're directed in a way that is really made to be that fun. And then you kinda lead into the plane sequence which is more of the same. I just found all that stuff exhausting in a way. I don't find bond action stuff exhausting. Most of the time we look at the christopher macquarie and the most recent mission impossible films that great but he treats them like little mini movies. Action movies in this larger phil and ethan hunt as a character doesn't really have much of a personality. He has a background with the women. The fall through the films and they they are around. But ethan hunt is basically your your access into the film itself. He's meant to be basically blanks. You could pretend to be ethan hunt on these missions whereas bond has x. amount of books twenty films of that point of development. You know who bombed should be and this. Unfortunately i didn't think pays pros and bringing that bond was the was able to though. That's my question. Show jimmy because of the script. The script the direction The fact he's being overwhelmed with massive ct sequences. Like i don't know. I think it's a real struggle here. I have a final question is kind of in this realm but is there anything else. Anyone wants to talk about well. I just want to hear from you guys in terms of those big. Cg accident action sequences like. Do you find them as agreed just as i do where. It's actually like actually boring to sit through them. yes. I think that. I think i do agree. They there is a a novel of of an act of action. Nfl whether whether it's practical the you can enjoy and you can find engaging and you can really shocked and surprised the fantastic. It doesn't matter whether they're seizure practical. I mean obviously practical is always preferable but the the cg in this movie it kind of takes you out of place that's already taken out of place so it's almost like a big inception a in the you know you've you've already reached dream. State never would and now. You're going into another dream state of because it it just you already so disconnected to the movie in a sense. I don't really care what's gonna happen to bond. I don't really care about any of the other characters You know the whole gustaf gray staying and the the north korean thing and you know we have touched on the washington and stuff. It is absolutely horrendous and it just no age a tool. It's it is definitely the worst thing about this movie. Is you know the whole what she aspect of it and obviously they certainly didn't think about that. Oh they didn't put great info about at the time. But i just feel as a whole the the james bond movies are so well known for their students and their action sequences. I mean you can go back and you can look the Just i don't know what the movie is off the top of my head but there's one with a really impressive cough flip at is completely practical and basically One side of the bridge to the other and it basically flips the car. I don't know which movie that's for one of the earlier newbies. It's the man with the golden gun. Yeah so so so happy that someone knows their bond movies but you know things like that. I mean you are member watch now look stuck with me and it's one of those just go. Wow that is incredible something similar in this movie where you've got one car and bonded another and they're kind of going over the ice and all of that is practical and they froze lake for it they had to dominate asking Would freeze that's all pretty cool. I like and then obviously that driving. And then the support of these different weapons on the cars again Responded okay and zhao. Foia a weapon bone and the car flips. And i look i can get the cause gonna flip over. What's bond gonna do. Yeah yeah like can get and then obviously the eject to see thing happens and you go okay. That's quite decent. That makes sense he eject to see how the cop because then you don't get anything else is just joining. Yeah if i want to see people driving you have a look at what's happening on the at one genuinely how it feels doesn't fail exonerating. It just feels like i'm watching two people drive on. Just what happens to be always. And i think that just sums up. This may be for me. I think it's got so much potential there. I think you're absolutely right. It's gonna terrible script. The direction is very good. The actors are trying with what that gaw but obviously most of these characters have very little personality or development. So when you look at this movie. From a general point of view you want a great action sequence. You want a bond movie that you will remember. You mentioned xenia on atop from goldeneye. I will always remember because she literally crushed man with her voice. And it's like what is that moment in this movie. What was that standout. Lohman and people will say a whole. It's surfing invest of. No because he's actually know very good or the frantic laser fight which is echoing goldfinger in the worst way possible. Yeah that could be quite a decent but it's so a memorable what you've just mentioned now this me. It's just too busy. Yes it's just too bad. That fights busy. The the film is too busy. You think about the the horrible horrible like wind surfing on the tidal wave. Seen it doesn't it. It's you know it's not obviously it's all. Cg there's no stakes in the game and you know bones is gonna survive. See dr buy into you. Just check out Looking at how bad the c. g. is choice you enjoy even less. Yeah and that's the thing it has these moments that great on you because you're like oh this is too over the top but then like you'll get hit with a really terrible. Cg shot i think of the sled going off the cliff. It slamming against the wall The composites of him on the way or even at the end when they are in the helicopter going out the back of the plane and helicopter. I mean it is like something out of a bargain basement movie of two actors in front of a green screen basically pretending they're in a helicopter and it's never convincing like a. It's like sequences like that. I can take bad. Cg if you hit me with it in a you know to thousands movie but when you have sequences like that that are so bad and seem to defy physical gravity or and that sort of thing. Physics it just. It becomes that much more uncanny valley. Yeah yeah yeah absolutely. Like i say takes you out of the navy. You've already been taken out several kidding okay. Before think before we wrap everything up. I wanted to throw out to everyone. Any final thoughts final questions. I have one question. And maybe i'll start off with sure. Is this film in any way. Salvageable yeah i think it's a heavy heavy job though. Because i think i would have made willion lee the villain of the movie because i actually think he's really strong his introduction kick kicking punching bag with a guy inside like that's a threatening villain so i would keep him as the villain. I would build up north korea as the obviously the adversaries of the film. I think you can work in jinks. But you've got to get rid of this space laser stuff gustov graves because to me. That's where the movie falls apart is like once you head to that ice palace. It's the it's the journey of no return. So i think you keep the torture stuff and you tie it more. Character based into has bond been corrupted by you know north korean torture and go from one hundred percent agree. I think that would be such a fascinating movie you would know is james bond. You know it's james bond a double agent. I think that would be such a fascinating thing to go down. I mean obviously he james bond so by the end of the movie. It'd be no no. Actually he was working for british intelligence. This all time but that that would just be so fascinating to watch and basically all of what would you say won't all to see that data the day because i think that would be so much more interesting than what we unfortunately all. I agree him the perfect thing to do. I would even add to it by saying you. would you could also have jinx this like paragon of virtue. She is a spy. That's not corrupted. There are question marks jinx so the audience would side with hurdle big man. You can have bond do some questionable things maybe kills and people will your setup perfectly because you have him basically having his license rescinded and going on his own little mission to cuba there and emma's is kind of just watching and i think maybe the americans get wary of this agent kind of on the loose in you know kind of dabbling into sensitive areas and send jinx representing the nsa to check him out like what's going on. Yeah yeah. I think that's far more interesting film. I know that this is a big before its time and this is obviously something that though time to go into this john lynch are really do feel like having a female below seven. An may be halle berry as she can. She be below seventy. She's not british now is that is outrageou tonight But anyway just just asking out loud. But i would really so similar halle very to be given a really meteo and i are really agree with the fact that will walk sculpture said that she could literally be the The audience perspective. She said we are looking at this movie looking at this james bond person through her is she has to figure out is he telling the truth. Has he defected to the north koreans and obviously north korea. By the way. I don't think north korea has such a large waves on his pitches. Pretty set the. I clearly never been to north korea by the way but i'm. I'm quite certain that they don't have that level of service in that country But you know that whole moore's career aspect if only that called you stuck with the end yeah no gone with a potentially road bond. I think that would have been so interesting. And it would've been something to pass brosnan against heath into his well because obviously historically he's been quite open about how good he dislikes movie. I think if he'd been given something decent to do even if it was his bond than he would've actually endorsed it. Because i don't think he as head well persons go on the record several times during his tenure as saying he wanted more character. Work says the splashy stuff so that would have been the perfect swansong for him but unfortunately he just gets two cy. Another day i do. I do have the final toll. If if i may go forward. Yeah so i. I did call to this earlier. The are really do think that despite the fact that diana the day is is it should it deserves to to doi under the death. Basically doesn't lsp on a really feel lake Tequila general cinema goes. I'm not talking specifically about james bond funds general. I certainly think that this movie is given is given a short shift unnecessarily Because i think a lot of people will agree. That what came after this with the daniel craig era of bond is arguably one of the the best of cinematic bonds. The you know. I think most people i think it depends. What bombed you into. Some people do prefer honorary. Some people prefer mobile. I mean i. I am quite partial to daniel. Craig said many many other reasons bond. But i think that the the legacy of this movie of the day i think if you look at what it did it made a lot of money. Yes critiques especially keen on it and yes you look at the retrospectively and decide. Well you know this actually. It could have been so good. We've talked about how he could have been good and it really could have the so much. Potentially maybe it's so frustrating but ultimately what it did do was. It did herald in a brand new era for james bond and it is the era that we currently in the daniel craig in the you know. It's going to be culminated with no time to die. And i really do think we call a discount. What diana did for this franchise because boy being as bad as they is it actually may bond again and i wish i hadn't set that but you know the reason but it made james bond a cool franchise. It made it an interesting franchise gritty franchise and i don't think that that is remembered The diner the days remembered for that. But it should be because the legacy of this movie is the daniel crank era of bond. Yeah and that's something. The bond franchise is always done. It's built itself up too big and then pulled back into interesting ways. You know you look at moon. Raker leads them pulling back into freer is only and say hey. Let's strip this back down. It's getting kinda crazy so they've done this in the past. So like yeah. I think that this is a very interesting pivot. Point in the franchise. That's why like. I can never hate it because i feel like the ongoing story of the bond franchises compelling unto itself in this movie is just a chapter in that. I have a couple of notes. I'll just make a couple of quick ones one funny and then just a a separate one. So there's a moment where they're showing the chris satellite and the room is like blinding light right and everyone has these black sunglasses on except for bond and jinx. And i'm like. I feel like these to be blind after this scene like they should be bumping into furniture. So that's one thing the other moment that i was kind of like chuckling to myself the whole genetic clinic they go to. I like the idea. It's kinda goofy has a fi vibe. The some really cool. Peter lamont art direction going on here with like the mirrored room and everything but a couple points. I want to bring up number one. The doctor who like looking at jinx halle berry be like A lot of work needed here This is going to be painful. Is this supposed to be a joke. Don't to smoking. Yeah no kidding. Maybe he'd been staring into the light as well. The other point is the whole zahle bit with diamonds in the face and going through this procedure. Halfway i kinda like the whole giving the henchmen kind of a vibe. It's weird but did any of you notice on the screen. What zao the final result was supposed to be off the transformation. Yeah yeah i. I saw but i couldn't make it out. It looks like devon saola. Didn't i didn't decide oh generic white. Well that's debit salad. Ladies and gentlemen but any that does kind of bring about some of the best lines would wanted this movie just have gone for is the law in currently cheesy and they do they did make me laugh out loud on several occasions of one of the ones that always gets me is when james bond say's gile at got the diamonds in his face and he says you know i've missed your sparking personality. Ridiculous ridiculous script absolutely ridiculous. If you're filmmaker don't put these laws in your script. But they they do make people ridiculous the yet generic more if he doesn't want to be a generic white dude. I'm talking to see white. Who are very generic. I i. I didn't i didn't say generic sure sure i will just shout out in cameo right p elements working. This is great. I'd say the sets of terrific. The art direction is terrific. It it probably just gets forgotten under the rest of the norway's but that's definitely there. I think the david donald score again is maybe i'll strongest one of the bonds but it's a good one. The cuban theme is great when he does the james bond theme in cuba. I thought that was fantastic. Download that ahead up one question. What the peter lamont sets though kind of tied to that. Maybe you guys can answer this. So we set up at the ice palace that there is a diamond mine. Next door right like. That's that whole subterranean jungle kind of thing but when they captured jinx. I believe they actually say the the mine is fake. But the lasers are real. Is there a fake mine. Why it ever laces. if that's an excellent question like the purpose of this was something because obviously this is an ice lies in it. This is i know. So maybe it's something to do with. Obviously iceland is quite close to the north pole. And therefore you've got more access to the sun in summer and so that for the risk can see more of the son. You're just making up science got. I've got it. I've got it. Okay scott so this is just a page. I think i picked this up from my watches film though so here we got at the beginning of the film. You've obviously got cuddle moon and he's dealing diamonds and these are blood diamonds firms africa okay but They need a way of getting them out but obviously the plot is foiled and then we have the whole transformation gustav graves now when bond is on the plane is deadly. The was daughter. I believe is on. The plane is one of the british airways towards okay. He's looking at a magazine with gustav grave saying like the king of diamonds. Y- on the front. So my suggestion is. He's obtaining these diamonds illegally because their blood diamonds and the people trade in those and then using his fake mind as a front of. That's where he got the diamonds from which allowed him to make the well. I get it to to what he wanted to do. Maybe then that toys into what. I'm saying iceland night because otherwise why would you. Why wouldn't you just have fake mine somewhere else. Yeah i'd say that's probably right with the laser beam stuff with clear skies things. That's that's probably the other part of it to you. Because i think your suggestions much better but refreshed each other's allies fine good but this together. I think what we've said makes perfect sense and with cam script revisions with bill good filter. I think we've built an accident film. Actually quite sad that will never see it all right. It sounds like we've broken down dying day into its smooth who diamond pieces. But i think now we have to look at the ultimate question of did on another day. Make the noc list now of golden. I made it on tomorrow. Never dies in. The world is not enough did not. So this is brosnan's last chance have second entry on the list. Now your guest you go. I is dying of the day. Making the norquist i can actually give you. A woman has since he's i know it's I think the movie that we've made collectively together. I think would make an all list. Because i think all these sounds awesome that this one not just life. Okay that's that's fine. Yeah i'm gonna justify cam what about you. Yeah it's a big no for me. this movie is more interesting. Historically maybe more so than like tomorrow never dies and movie. We enjoyed much more. Die another day as m has pointed out is crucial to the direction of this franchise but as an actual experience sitting to watch for two hours. It's just really frustrating. It's not a movie. As i've said that i hate. It's kind of like a two star movie for me where there's bits i enjoy. But there's a lot of frustrations that come with it and it's part of the bond canon and it's forty faulty part of the bond canon. But i kind of appreciate it nonetheless for just existing so it's a no for me and i'm looking forward to hopefully our next bond film we tackle in hopefully as well as when we have one guest. We've had to know so. My vote is again pointless. Afraid there anyway. It's obvious. I didn't enjoy this film. It's gonna be a no on list. I appreciate cans angle of it. Being somewhat of a touchstone in boned history. And of course. It's got pierce brosnan. I love pierce brosnan on Hash tag team broza. That's the guy i stand. But i can't do anything to stand this film it. I can't stand this film and so is not making the noc list for me. Well there we have it. Sorry peers. don't even feel bad about holiday. I know i have them too bad. I feel obliged to ask a question cam. I know i'm not supposed to us every time for me. This was an absolute stinker and quite possibly the worst of the twenty-five yes. Is this film. Could this film potentially make the disavowed list. I don't think so. I think there's too many elements that are really strong in that i enjoy our shouldn't say really strong but that are interesting to say. Yeah i was going bad. I didn't talk a lot about zahle. Zahle completely saved this entire movie for it. I love it. I changed my mind. Put it on the nautilus. no no it's to me like this isn't like grimly bad like this is just really mediocre and there's so many worst movies out there like there are horrible movies like this year two thousand two. You had a movie. Like ballistic experts. Sever that's even comparable to like a die. Another day die. Another day is just really mediocre. It's just within the bond canon. It definitely lance pretty close to the bottom if not the bottom. I thought it was worth asking fair. You're not you're not alone scott. I'm sure a lot of people actually would like you to ask that question. Yeah i think if i were to write the bond films out and actually ranked him which i've never really done. I have a feeling dying of the day would be bottom or not tied for last place but we dig into that now however diner they has received three knows. And as such the dossier on the film it's complete and filed as classified now cab before we talk about what we're doing next week firstly. I want to thank him joining us. M by the way in which we haven't mentioned talked about that like-minded mentioned it a little bit earlier. Cut that out by the way but feel free to cut out much of me as you'd like your stuff's going. Just the intern the outdoors. Yeah she's she's not eating guesting. This episode is literally just cam. Sorry while i just wanted to thank you for joining us. I mean we've had this in the works for some time and it was really interesting to have perspective this outside the bond bubble which is where we tend to exist. Sometimes and you know we might be less severe on things because we have like. Oh well we saw the was no enough a few months ago and blah blah we connect it and maybe let things go maybe too harsh on stuff so it was nice to have an outside perspective and with us when we were patient. People to agree with us. Well i mean. I'll be completely honest off. I didn't agree with you completely. Assessment on charlie's angels not going on the knock to me perfection. something very often but I don't object objective any fascinated to hear what you think of atomic blonde. Because i genuinely do think that is one of the best spun me. This side genuinely quite fascinated. I'm actually be found about phil. I'm trying to film. 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China steps up support as US and Europe struggle to contain COVID-19

PRI's The World

45:02 min | 1 year ago

China steps up support as US and Europe struggle to contain COVID-19

"The Asian countries have slowed down the spread of the corona virus. One factor. Getting everybody to wear a mask off my boss whenever I have my lunch or dinner. Also China wants to help other countries hit by the Corona Virus Beijing ascending lots of medical supplies to Europe. The help is badly needed but many say Beijing is not acting. Jesper terrific reasons. They see this as a moment. When China is in a good position to actually elevate its global standing and a first time voter in Florida wonders how the government can provide so much money to help struggling businesses but not enough to provide for testing kids and research. Young Latinos reconsider their votes during a pandemic. The stories are more today. You're on the world. Let's begin with a couple of stats today. More Americans have now died from the corona virus outbreak than in the September eleventh terror attacks worldwide. The death toll has top forty thousand on the Economic Front. Global Stock Market seemed to have calmed down not too far up not too far down from market watchers. It's getting used to the new normal one other promising story. China seems to have turned the corner in slowing the spread of the disease. It's now stepping up to help other countries but not. Everybody is thrilled about that. The World Sarah Birnbaum explains if you turn on the TV in China or go online. You'll see stuff like this everywhere. This is footage from state television of medical team in China's unwed province about to set off for Italy. They're going to help. Fight the corona virus over the past few weeks China has sent mass ventilators test kits and teams of doctors to countries around the world and in the process. The People's Republic is assuming a role that the US used to occupy during pandemics conflicts and natural disasters Dali Yang a political science. Professor at the University of Chicago says China wants to be seen as a good actor on the world stage. Chinese government has been very very proactive in reaching out to different government. Early this year when the virus was running rampant in Wuhan and just starting to spread to the rest of the country. China's government accepted medical supplies from almost eighty different countries and now Yang says China wants to pay it forward the Chinese government. It was very grateful for the help that it received in January Siberian particular. Now of course it also has the energy and also the resources and also a lot of experiences now to share with the rest a little while but beyond that do Communist Party leaders in Beijing have other reasons for wanting to play the role of global good neighbor. Of course they do says Dexter Roberts. He's the author of the myth of Chinese capitalism. They see this as a moment when China is in a good position to actually elevates global standing. Robert says it's about exercising soft power spreading influence and reworking the geopolitical status quo. China's been working on these things for years but one thing about China's current moment that cannot be overlooked says Roberts is how it stands in strong contrast to Europe and especially to the US. So I I think they do see this as a real opportunity to say. Look you know. We did so successfully dealt with the virus. The Western model hasn't done a very good job so far and this means that we're a model to be emulated and there are signs that the strategy is working in Serbia President. Alexander von Cheech recently blasted the EU and said the only country he could rely on during this pandemic was China dot. Almost my pasta European solidarity does not exist which each says that was just a fairytale. The Serbian President went on to call Chinese leader. Xi Jinping his friend and brother this audio by the way is from a video clip of which. That's been running on. Cg T N The Chinese State Run TV network. I also found this video. Online put out by Serbian officials for Chinese. Social Media of the People's Republic of China was the first approach offer held the support for China say Carey Allen Monitors chinese-language media for the BBC. She says the State. Run News outlets have been chock full of this stuff. People in China just hearing constantly about Serbia probably more than any other country because there is such an overdrive of appreciation. It's not just Serbia. Allen says news consumers in China are hearing all about how their government has done a better job responding to the pandemic than a certain world leader. China has really been just picking on every criticism that Donald trump has been receiving on. It's been sharing them in in. Its local media to show that. There's this anger about the way that he's responding to this. China's public relations efforts at home and abroad are also aimed at tearing down the idea that Beijing deserves blamed for the corona virus outbreak. Here's Dexter Roberts again. When you look at what happened in China you have this in in effect to cover up. Which was devastating colluded. Nineteen cases were under reported. Whistle blowers were silenced and early on Xi Jinping was nowhere to be found. But that's not the story Chinese leaders telling now the first thing they wanna do is make their own population people in China forget about this disastrous blender at the beginning of of the virus and instead focus on the second part which has been quite impressive and in one sense at least president. Trump is doing the same thing after downplaying the threat of the outbreak. At first trump has gone out of his way to praise his administration and himself for doing what he describes as a great job for the world. I'm Sarah Birnbaum. So how is the covert nineteen outbreak already reshuffling global politics to take a look at that? I'm joined by Nicholas. Burns former ambassador to NATO Burns is also an unpaid adviser to the Joe Campaign and editor in Chief of the Economist. Zanny Minton beddoes. I am struck as much by the absence of US leadership as I am by what China has been doing. We're in a world where multi-lateralism has become in some sense. A bit of a dirty word globalism as a dirty world. It's much nationalistic. World and the US was taking a different tack with a trade war and so forth long before this pandemic but now in the teeth of this pandemic at a time when you really need big picture global cooperation we just haven't got that and it strikes me a most powerful actually when I look at what's happening in emerging economies whether it's India whether it's South Africa whether it's places in the world which do not have the health systems that we have in the West economies are going to be hammered and ordinarily they would be as big multilateral response to that and that seems to be completely absent. There isn't any global leadership on this. We'll make how do other countries see the US right now in the midst of this pandemic. I think unfortunately a lot of countries believe that the United States could lead and shortly but won't leave there have to be a global response to this country center chair. Data's on the infections that we can model the crisis actually understand it. Countries have to work on a vaccine together and how to distribute it equitably the G. Twenty the group of the twenty largest countries of the world is probably the right forum. They met for two hours last week. In a teleconference that means everybody gave a ten minute speech and they went home. There's no sense that they're working together on I think. President trump has been entirely deficient as a leader. Where is the simple expression of sympathy for the people of Italy from the president of the United States or the people of Spain or the people of South Korea? That kind of thing goes a long way human sympathy. Zanny I mean the US has seemingly abdicated its role as a world leader but is there space for the US's step back into that role the US is still seen by many around the world as the natural global leader. That hasn't gone away yet and dissipating completely. And secondly China is viewed somewhat suspiciously in China. Itself does not want to step into this role of real responsible global leader China much more self interested in the short term sense of its role. I don't sense any desire to play that responsible global hegemony role and so what we have is a vacuum and vacuum that can be filled if the US chooses to let again. I think the round the world that would be welcomed with absolutely open arms so no. I don't think it's too late to if there is a deep and damaging global recession even depression help us understand what that might mean for both the US and China. Nick President XI IN PRESIDENT TRUMP. Certainly have to worry about their own people if we end up in a depression but we also have to do the right thing and not repeat the mistakes of eighty years ago. The nineteen thirties went in the wake of the economic collapse. Country's built high walls around each other and they raise tariffs. This is a time actually for countries to lower barriers to trade so that the very important products made say in China can get to the United States or Britain or South Africa when they need to or medicines or chemicals. Important for pharmaceutical industry can actually get to source requires leadership. President trump seems to believe that we're weaker when we work with others. That were stronger. When we act singularly and he's he's completely wrong in that assessment in it's really damaging us. Zanny were kind of looking at this as China and the US. Where does Europe stand on all of this and is there any place on the continent where they might step into the breach European not really working at European Union level together? The European Central Bank has done a huge amount. There hasn't been as much solidarity within the members of the Euro area as yet that you would expect and I think quite often now. The conversation fools into two extremes either there are some who for a long while saying this will be a big big plunge and then we'll have a leash recovery every single bounce back and we'll get that to global off was the very very gloomy. This will precipitate a depression. What I think is most likely is something in the middle. It is increasingly clear that we are not one day Sunday. Going to say we're able to lift the restrictions order the social distancing but back to normal straight away it will be an issue of process probably the different pace in different parts of the country in different countries depending on how much uses made of testing depending on how much use of made of technology to understand whether hotspots and the sharing of that information the sharing of best practice working together to come up with the optimal way to balance this question of health. And how you can open the economy. I think that's the real key to this. Having the minimum possible economic damage which will be huge but but the minimum possible and the other is how governments have reacted in. What ways support their economies? What is your most likely scenario for? What the New World Order with like Post Cove in nineteen? Unfortunately I think we're GONNA see a lot of people react against globalization against global supply chains. You'll see companies back-off undue reliance on China either for trade purposes or because in a pandemic like this you simply can't get what you need to manufacture. That will be one thirty. Seeing a resurgence of nationalism perverse nationalism discriminatory nationals we saw victim or Abban. The leader of hungry become effectively. An autocrat yesterday spending parliament and suspending civil liberties. We're going to see the in a way the ugly side of human nature. I am somewhat web domestic because I think that we are unlikely to see as big of a change permanently in the world that some people worry about I think they will be some reinforcement of the unwinding of supply chains of the was frankly. That was happening fool because of the the trade will but I do think there are other areas where we're gonNA see really positive development. I think it's going to be very very hard now to eliminate sick pay in the United States. I think that will be a sense of needing to invest in healthcare systems which is much more acute now than it was six months ago. My main thought on the post Kobe. Nineteen world is. It was a world without real leadership beforehand. And I think it's going to be a world without real leadership afterwards. Zanny Minton beddoes. The editor in chief of the Economist. Nicholas Burns former ambassador to NATO. Thank you both very much. Thank you so much thank you. You're with the world. Americans watch the numbers of New Corona Virus Infections and fatalities rising every day in other countries. There are signs of hope. Singapore South Korea and Taiwan are three places where the spread of covert nineteen is slowing down a lot. What have they done differently? Well there's no short answer to that question. But as the world's patrick wind reports getting everybody to wear a mask is one factor a few weeks ago Fox and friends turned to the top doctor in America and asked him this doctor. You're saying stop using masks 'cause unless you've got the corona virus you shouldn't be wearing it right absolutely. I absolutely says the surgeon General Jerome Adams who has tweeted seriously. People stop buying masks on Fox and friends. He doubled down saying masks. Actually make the outbreak. Worse folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of corona virus. You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you're not a healthcare provider basically the message in the. Us has been. If you're not a doctor or a nurse. Forget about the mask and that sounds really strange here in Asia. Where in many cities wearing a mask is seen as a moral duty for everyone not just hospital workers. One of China's top doctors is a man named George Gal and he just came out and said quote the big mistake in. Us and Europe is. That people aren't wearing masks. China takes the seriously officials. There have even used drones with loudspeakers to fly around and scold. Anyone who is outside without a mask teasing places like Hong Kong South Korea Taiwan they also promote universal. Masking in the vibe is not so much I must protect myself and more like oh no what if I've got the corona virus and I in fact other people it's more to prevent spread of the disease rather than to prevent receiving the disease. That's Lynn foul long a renowned expert on infectious diseases based in Singapore. Now the World Health Organization still says that you don't need to wear a mask you're not showing symptoms. The doctor Wong says look we know. Infected PEOPLE ARE. They don't show symptoms so why not. Just stick a mask on everyone. I know in certain societies is hot right. Other people Less educated all economically in a different stage all less obedient as a society. He didn't single out America but when I talked to other experts I keep hearing that Americans need to do universal masking like yesterday I everyone going out should wear a loss that is another infectious diseases specialist. Dr Joseph John in Hong Kong and he's masked up basically all day putting on a new one. Every four hours are only off my boss whenever I have my lunch or dinner. But he's a doctor and they're the ones who really need masks right. Yes and right now hospitals in the. Us are pleading with the federal government to get them more high quality masks. There's a shortage and for now masks should go to nurses over random people. This is one of the reasons why the surgeon general tells the public to stop buying masks. Here's the thing. Taiwan South Korea. When this outbreak started there they had shortages too so they're government stepped in to boost the supply of masks so every citizen could get one. America hasn't done that Dr. John Wants to know. Even if every American had a mask would they wear them? The difference in the perception of the MAS comes down to the cultural norms about covering your face. When very few people wear masks he says putting one on makes it seem like you're sick like saying look at me. I'm infected but when everyone wears one you feel like. Oh we're all in this together and societies can change before two thousand three. Dr John Says Hong Kong was more like America. Hardly anyone wore masks unless they were ill but then he got hit by an earlier strain of corona virus. We have a very painful lessons from two thousand free sauce. Happened in Hong Kong. Sars one of those painful lessons junk says that everyone should have put on masks as soon as that virus hit. And it's a mistake. He says they won't make again for the world. I'm Patrick win. In the Gaza Strip. Roughly two million Palestinians are squeezed into a small territory. It's very dense and it's hard to practice social dancing there. Add lots of smokers. High rates of obesity and Stress Related Disorders Gaza's population appears especially vulnerable to the corona virus. Dr Yahia Abed is an epidemiologist in Gaza. He says so. Far The number of reported cases there is low. But he's worried that conditions in Gaza will allow the corona virus to spread quickly that ten cases which we detected off as into matic no fever. No cough and that will wait. Make me already that. If there is other symptomatic cases among the relation Gaza Strip is one of the highly dense area in the all in this case the house out of his bed of the and fiction will be dangerous in Gaza. Strip right in. Gaza is suffering from a severe shortage medical equipment. only sixty ventilators for roughly two million people so how our local health officials hoping to contain the spread of Corona virus? And keep it from overwhelming as you say this very densely populated territory and An already shattered health system. Suppose that I hope not suppose that than fiction is picked in Gaza that system only could deal with the mild cases is only but not with this guesses if you and other medical professionals are unable to treat the most severe cases will you just turn them away. Listen look for experience. Italia seven there in Italy. Why the more territory in Italy drama up more than that can percent case fatality. They're not because they're -Talian says stem as we know Sibley because they thought healthcare system could not cope with the number of the cases who are coming in one time. And this is the most woody thing for me as -Instinians here in Gaza. I hope that's what's happening in. Italy is not reported hitting Gaza. We hope the same for you when we're talking. Medical supplies and what? The health system in Gaza needs to handle an outbreak of covered nineteen hauer Gaza's needs different from other places. It seems to me that No large difference than what is going on in the other world. It seems to me that we have good this off. We have good experience. Who could war and they are deprived of the facilities to conduct excellent or inside Gaza. People are committed for their work And I am looking. That orange will look for this area that suffered in the last fourteen heads if continuous to support that conditions of two million people that are suffering nowadays in Gaza. Doctor you hear. Abed is an epidemiologist and teaches public health at Al Quds University near Jerusalem. Doctor Thank you very much for the view from Gaza. We appreciate it. News headlines are coming up your with the world for sports fans. This is a dark time. But we'll survive consider ANCIENT MESOAMERICAN SOCIETIES. Where a game ball was like a God. The ball itself in these ballgames had very deep cosmological significance who is actually seen as the rising and setting of the sun three thousand years ago. That ball bounced around a court just discovered in Mexico as ahead here on the world. Spain is now approaching one hundred thousand cases of Corona virus third most in the world the health emergency chief Fernando Simone. Himself tested positive. He's been offering remote updates on the pandemic via video cameras and then they said there are signs. At Spain's infection rate is slowing down and the aim. Now he said is to avoid the collapse of intensive care units that means slowing the spread of disease and keeping medical staff protected about one. In seven of Spain's Kovic nineteen cases are healthcare workers another grim stat from Spain. It now has the world's second highest death toll from the outbreak and not enough cold storage to safeguard cadavers. Jen Omani has this update from Madrid city. That's been dramatically transformed in recent days. Thunder Cape in Green Pita has worked as a pediatric nurse. In Madrid's busy Ramone Ika Hospital for thirty years. But she has never seen anything like this at the end of another long shift. In one of Europe's west affected cities. She says the anger impotence. She feels flow out in the shower when she finally allows herself to cry. They'll tell you get in the shower and you feel so frustrated that you start to shed all the tears that you can't shed at the hospital because you can't cry there. Because tears are also a source of contamination. Madrid's health workers are endanger Korean. Says she is given one. Moscow week with proper filters which reeks of sweat after shifts spent running between brims of patients with covert. Nineteen Masaaki Buzzer Fan. We don't have protective equipment. Were supposed to have protective kits like with the plastic apron and then another one made paper every time we walk into a patient's room but we don't have enough of the plastic ones. So what we're supposed to do is put them in a paper bag putting ourselves at risk so they can recycle them. Patients arriving with almost any other illness attend away and the children she was used to treating are being diverted to other hospitals. She worries constantly about newborns with genetic illnesses and whether they are being treated quickly enough to stop brain damage but the most distressing thing about her job. Peter says is the silence of the patients in I does. But there's two patients in every room and they don't speak to each other. I think they feel like they're bad like they've done something wrong. They've done this to their families into society. It's like they think it's their fault that they have this illness. The nurses on award are now reduced to twelve six. Her colleagues have covert nineteen and one has contracted pneumonia typical of serious cases. Although Peter is used to suffering in her line of work the toll seems unbearably high as hospitals battle chaos. Madrid's mortgage are also overwhelmed so the government has come up with controversial solution. It's housing corpses awaiting burial and cremation at the Ice Palace. A popular skating rink in the east the city in normal times the Ice Palace is a place where parents watch the kids take. Tentative Glides on the rink with teenagers from the local high school flirts in the food court now dozens of coffins. Cover the Ice Francisco Sanchez. S. is the rink manager. He's trying hard to remember the space as it was. We're going to push w well every weekend. The rink would hold training sessions for skating teams. Then we'd also have classes then it would open up to the public for leisure skating. The Ice Palace is located in a shopping mall which also includes a supermarket. Cheerful chains play across the aisles. Though the rest of the mall is eerily quiet and shuttered la La Familia normally families. Come here they come here with their kids to ice game little kids and teenagers and now well we find ourselves with this problem. This is clement. Ramon who is picking up groceries at the supermarket? His own children used to skate at the Ice Palace. He just comte believed there's nowhere else in Madrid can hold the city's dead noise deep your but it's not the right place for this. We also have a conference center close to here that they have turned into a field hospital and I just feel. There are places that are more suited to this problem. Not right here in the city neighborhood Francisco Sanchez row bliss. The manager of the rink has no idea when he will be able to welcome families back to the Ice Palace. Some sketches might think twice before gliding across the rink used such grim purpose but he remains hopeful grew. So when I got there will be people who will be reluctant. Smooths out everything. Time heals with Madrid. Turned upside down. By Kuroda virus. The only thing left to do is wait for the World Jennifer Mani in Madrid. Here's the problem with covert nineteen practicing social distancing. When you just can't get away from other people that's a reality for roughly seventy million people worldwide living in crowded refugee camps. Douglas Hermit spent a lot of his time at the Maurya refugee camp on the Greek island of Lesbos. He's the CO founder of refocus media. Labs a nonprofit teaches photography and filmmaking to refugees away to share their stories Douglas. It's kind of stunning that just a few weeks ago. The Concern for refugees was actually getting space at Maurienne moving onto Europe. Now we're looking at how to protect refugees from Corona virus. What restrictions are in place of the Maurya refugee camp? Well the Maure refugee camp now is essentially on full lockdown. Residents are not allowed to leave for two weeks. Now you were not allowed to leave outside of seven. Am to seven PM. And now they're making it even more difficult for anyone to leave. So they're essentially pushing it and pushing it towards a total stay inside the camp at all times and how much access do NGOs and aid. Groups have to the refugees in the camp. I mean what do we know for sure about corona virus and camps like Maurya the tongue very difficult for anyone to access the space unless you are a medical providing NGO prior to the new measures inside the camp? You have zero access so right now. Those that are remaining on the island have been working in ships to provide medical supports from eight. Am until three PM. Monday through Friday. But there's nothing at night and there is no services on the weekends and there are less than twenty medics on the island right now in the weeks leading up to the announcement of Corona virus or call there is extreme violence against NGO workers on the island for weeks Which was unaddressed by the local authorities which forced a lot of jobs to send their volunteers home now. The borders are closed completely. So no one can come in and anyone who was left on the island is now overstretched. You're looking at less than twenty medical volunteers. In over twenty thousand residents. What are you hearing or seeing from those photography students of yours. Is there anything that kind of provide you a better picture of what's going on there documenting? The situation every day and the crazy reality is that nothing is really changed in terms of the day-to-day life for a resident of the camp Everyone still forced into very overcrowded environments to wait on food lines. Water is very very difficult to have at a twenty four seven clipped so the waters off many many instances for hours at a time which then leads to giant crowds and overcrowding people to try to fill up water bottles when it does come back on now. That people can't leave the camp. You have even more of a congestion in the common areas where people are walking to go to a market to buy something and now because of the supply chain challenges that Moore is facing much like every other place in the world you now have a shortage of foods which then means that they have to wait on the lines for sometimes two to three hours more than once or twice a day just to find food to feed their families so generally speaking everyone at all times in the day is constantly put into crowded areas. And it's impossible to practice social distancing. Douglas have you heard about any strategies that officials are considering already taken to at least slow the spread of the virus in camps like Maurya? The grim reality is that at the current moment. The biggest impact has been from the residents themselves who are putting up signs in multiple languages to ensure that the residents understand what they're supposed to do in terms of washing their hands avoiding crowds staying at home trying to self isolate or to see a doctor but the with which to do these things that everyone else is being advised. The due to a flat in the curve is impossible to do inside the camp you basically have any NGOs that were left on the ground still working inside the camp. They're the ones who are making the soap. We're making a mixture of do it yourself masks or distributing posters or walking around with megaphones to communicate to people who are illiterate about what they need to do to protect themselves. But we still sadly do not see a concerted effort from the authorities to protect the population inside. They're terrified because they recognize that. No one is testing anyone so right now. We have essentially a false negative report. Zero confirmed cases inside the camp. We've already had four confirmed cases on the island of Lesbos one death all of those cases are from Greek locals. But they're scared and they should be because there aren't any measures being put in place to protect them and the psychological impact as a result of seeing nothing. Changed on the ground is is unbelievable. I mean I I hear them constantly saying that their don't count that Somehow they're less than the rest of the people in Europe. And how are we supposed to survive this? This comes through here. What are we supposed to do? They feel completely exposed Douglas. Herman is the CO founder of refocus media labs telling about the corona virus situation at Morio refugee camp in Greece It is good to have you with us. Douglas and good to have your students is on the ground as well thank you. Thank you very much on a typical spring Tuesday. In a presidential election year voters head the polls but primaries are being postponed votes are being conducted by mail political rallies are gone. But this doesn't mean voters are not thinking about who to send to Washington. We've been featuring a series here. We're calling every thirty seconds. Because every thirty seconds Latino turns old enough to vote. They're becoming a huge voting block today reporter Alejandro Martinez from W. L. R. N. In Miami tells us about one young voter in south Florida and how the corona virus is impacting. Her decisions Genelius. Are you so trying to cope with the new reality of Krona virus? Definitely a stressful time for me and my family. That's from voice memo Genelius sent to update me. Genelius family's financial situation has changed. My mom just got laid off from her job and right now. We're kind of just figuring out how we're going to be able to navigate. This school pulled pandemic for the next coming weeks out. We're going to do about money and supplies. Genelius and I actually met for the first time a few weeks ago before the city of Miami shutdown all public places due to the outbreak Hey Kendra alias. Sunny Student Union Person Pity leases eighteen. Cuban Puerto Rican and identifies as non binary meaning. Genelius goes by the pronouns. They and them. They has bright red hair. Worse huge hoop earrings and bulky. Pink glasses because of that. Genelius goes by pink of took Bright Aerial Mermaid hair. We talked about politics and issues important to them. Human Rights Race Immigration of Women's rights of farm workers and domestic workers rights. Pink grew up in Winwood in Miami neighborhood formerly known as a bottle or Little someone right now pinks a high school senior pink says. They became more aware of the issues affecting the community about a year ago. People of Color and black people in the indigenous people had to had to struggle through in order to be where they are. Now I think for so long I had All the words talk about the problems and none to come up with solutions that year joining Miami Social Justice Group called Dream Defenders Pinks Mentor. Qantas Smith Remembers meeting them for the first time. She's a little shy. I was like okay. I see something in you with guidance. Bruce Smith pigging confidence ping started canvassing and throwing voter parties as she was just in a place like I wanNA know more and I wanna grow like she saw fellowship is being a tool in a path for her to be able to do that. Dream defenders has about eighty members. They're black and Brown and young with dream. Defenders Pink led initiatives to increase youth engagement. Smith says youth like pink care about their rights. They are engaged. They see whether Paris had to go through to get here right and that that reality of like Oh because of my status so in things that I can't do important issues for pink. Our Healthcare Student Dab and immigration people who come here deserve to live dignified lives whether they have papers or not like borders and even more now with the spread of this corona virus. Our healthcare system is completely broken and the way that The government buys trillions of dollars to bail out banks but not enough to provide for testing kits and research and all the things that we so desperately need right now is just really telling of the Empire that we live in Pinkus ready for this year's presidential election and we'll be voting for the first time even with the krona virus pandemic politics is still something that's on pink's mind. Hunter have nonni thinking of politics all the time. I'm waiting to see what happens. In the upcoming week pinks paying close attention Senator Bernie Sanders and his campaign. Sanders lost the Florida primaries vice president. Joe Biden Biden. When's the primary? I will not be voting just as simple as that for now. Pink can get out the vote like before through voter campaigns. Miami is a ghost town and people are urged to stay at home so to pass the time when they are not working on their online classes. Pink writes poetry as they wait for the November election. When you are old enough to understand this poem Janie Lisa You. So but also known as being rights to their future daughter about hope to show you what revolutionary love looks like for the world. I'm Alejandra Martinez in Miami developing countries. Hit by Cova. Nineteen are struggling unlike the US. Many of them can't just pass a stimulus package but fourteen billion dollars will soon be coming their way as the world's Rupa Shenoy explains the aid isn't just for governments. It will also go to private companies. The fourteen billion dollars comes from an organization designed to help. The world worked together just at times like these. The World Bank was created at a conference in the mountains of New Hampshire in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. Its purpose was to help rebuild. European countries devastated by World War. Two meetings are designed to promote prayed in the post world and create a foundation or lasting over the years the World Bank grew into one of the largest sources of funding for projects aimed at reducing poverty in two thousand eighteen partnered with the World Health Organization to create the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board the boards. I report released. Last year concluded that the world remained unprepared for global pandemic and pandemic hit but the World Bank is doing is working to provide a fast flexible response based on developing country needs. That's the World Bank Group. President David Malpass talking about the emergency funding package approved by its board in response to the corona virus the speed and breadth of the response is crucial to its effectiveness. Include six billion dollars to help. Developing COUNTRIES SETUP. Health clinics and buy gloves masks and portable ventilators. Another eight billion dollars goes to a separate arm of the World Bank that invests in the private sector of developing nations. It's called the International Finance Corporation or IFC Philippe Louis. We is its chief executive officer of you know when there is a crisis like this of this is Mike Mutual. What happens is a lot of companies are in trouble. So we're trying everything we can to soften the blow their. Ifc is making loans available to businesses through banks across the world in less than ten days. Three hundred fifteen companies came forward to ask for help. Louis View says his staff has been given the authority to go ahead with projects without getting approval from their board. We can save about four to six weeks by not going to are bought. He says they're already thinking about the next phase when the pandemic starts to recede the key. Is that what we do to make sure that? We accelerate the recovery. So I have see staff is also getting ready to help. Companies Restructure and develop new projects for investment. They're finding virtual ways to supervise and do appraisals of projects all while isolated in their own homes across one hundred and seventy countries many with their children and many on call twenty four seven records awards issue. It's a global issue. We're all you need to gather. This is why we were created. This is why Worldwide Partnerships Exist Louisville says so in times of crisis. We have a way to work together and help each other for the world. I'm Rupa Shenoy if you think the basketball court at your local Y. Is Old get a Lotta this? Archaeologists have uncovered a ball court in the mountains of Oaxaca in Mexico. It's over three thousand years old. Not only that researchers think this ball court could shed light on how Mesoamerican societies developed thousands of years ago. Jeff blindster is an archaeologist. George Washington University. The ballgame was fundamental in many aspects of Mesoamerica society. We actually have documents from the optics and the Spanish invaders. Who talked about how sometimes conflicts between city states actually resolved solved by a ball game? And we know that the movement of the ball itself in these ballgames had very deep cosmological significance. News actually source seen as the rising and setting of the Sun. So I know these kinds of ball courts of bulk. Chords in general are not uncommon in the ruins across the Mesoamerican world. You find them in ruins in Guatemala and Honduras. What is the game that would have been played on this court in Oaxaca? Russ my colleagues think that one that definitely needed a ball court was some version of what we call the hip ballgame where the rubber ball was. Hit off the hip and often into the architecture of the court itself so to me. Finding an architectural ball court suggest that it could have actually been a place where the hip ball game was played in some ways. That's confirmed by these figurines that we found we found figuring that show ballplayers and they're consistently wearing these are wide belts or hip protectors. Something that we call later. Mesmeric societies yolks the fact that these ballplayer figuring consistently wearing this costume light. Support the idea that this might have been an early version of the hip ball game that was played in the apple. Tombo ball court. I mean there is a tight connection between sports and society. Do you think this ball court and whatever game was played on it. How did it influence the way the society around Oaxaca developed? I think that this was actually very important. In these changes in society so you probably have a individuals society that nascent leaders agonizers whenever you want to call them who are essentially finding ways of having more influence more power in society than their companions. Tongo where you do have society that we're starting to see the emergence of these more sociopolitically complex nominee on you may have a sort of nascent leader who actually was able to direct the construction of these ball quartz and probably who was able to out both integrated society in the sense that people support teams that come to see Games but at the same time it also excluded some people because you know certain individuals are deciding who plays and who actually sees these days because the reality is These ball courts aren't so large that everybody in this community could actually been spectators. So would the game have kind of facilitated contact between communities? Would there be like a traveling team. I think it certainly would facilitate communication and my question now is where are the other ball courts from this time period? They must be out there. Jeff blindster and archaeologists at George Washington University. Thanks for being with us. Thank you so much for taking the time. Our new reality is inspiring all kinds of new music. Here's another song prompted by the pandemic this one from Spanish singer where a big Fan of minute child the title translate says I dreamt of another world so he'll Mundo Tallyho seat castle. New York Quattro Camino Cinco Steam. Osun Yayla the world comes to you from an and Bill Harris Studio with wgn Boston. I'm Marco Werman. We'll see you back here tomorrow so near do now more than achieve. Eso So Neela for Tunis so near the Luna he got any of this gala. Sit in the car lobby. Genetic Code also. The world is a CO production of W. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Pierre Ex.

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Trash Talk Feat. Sky Castle

Tipsy Filmmakers

33:16 min | 1 year ago

Trash Talk Feat. Sky Castle

"Hey tipsy filmmakers. We'd like to create a safe environment for all of our listeners. We do not condone underage drinking. Please if you are under twenty one crap a non alcoholic beverage and join us in. Iran's about all things film related enjoy hi everyone. Welcome back to the tipsy filmmakers podcast. I'm here co host nickel and Anger Co host Tori and today with us. We have sky. Funny yes welcome. The exciting thing about this is this. Podcast was skies idea. This topic your recommendations right. Yes it was. I love hearing people talk about their trash movies. So we do. We do have a thing on this podcast where we have a beverage with us so sky. What are you drinking? I'm drinking a nice steaming cup of chocolate milk. Ooh that sounds delicious. Is that black bear? Black bear diner that we took from black bear down. What are you drinking? Ooh I think you'll like this Nicole. I'm drinking an arbor mist. Five dollar bottle P. Twine. It's quite delicious. What are you drinking? Nickel boxed mosquito. Keep it classy. And the sad thing is as my boxes running out so you know poor Bedouin Bedouin. So let's let's get into this. Are you guys ready to whine about some film specifically trashy films absolutely yes definitely? So cheers cheers so the topic of today's episode. Were titling it trash-talk and we're gonNA talk about Skies favorite bad movies right but also all so. How do we feel about this? Do we feel excited. I am very excited for this. Yes I'm so Paul. So what sky? What's your definition of like a trash movie? Okay so like Trish movie. So I'm GonNa talk about these from the perspective of the ones that I like a trash movie. I feel like is something of film. If you could say that is perhaps traditionally in the ways of filmmaking and story not not extremely sound or Oscar worthy by any means but Can hold a special place in your heart with laughs and fun times with your gets agree. There is a movie on Netflix. Called Zombie vers for a while. We've watched for. That is absolutely close or beavers. So what about that tire like killer tire one? Oh Rubber Robber Steven King Book. I might be wrong if it was then all the jokes about his books. Now it all makes sense because in the books are so great but then sometimes movies come out and it's just like wait so unpopular opinion. I don't like reading Stephen King Novels. I don't really like toy he writes. I feel like it's too much detail. he he has a lot to say overlook one thing very very draw now. Yeah but I mean that's what I love about it though if you ever read like my action lines and things. I'm pretty sure I bug people. Because I love pudding like being flowery with some of my language only like flowery language but there's like our. Yeah there's a fine line I don't know but Nicole what's your definition of like a trash movie pretty similar. Yeah I would say. It's pretty similar. I think something that I want to add to. It is more people that you know having an audience. That really really didn't like it. And were relatively like vocal or when you watched it as a kid and it did something to watch it later. And you're like Oh boy where just an interesting thing of like the audience hating it so much and it just like sits well with you and then it doesn't hold up later so that would be my definition. I wholeheartedly agree with both cases definitions. Do you have anything to add to it? Or do you think we've solidly covered. I am pretty confident that you guys are solidly covered it so sky. What movie would you like to start with? I don't know if you want to give me that decision because both of you know what would be my first that I would love to talk about see. We know but the audience doesn't know I would say I will I will. I will tell the audience my favorite trash movie. One of my favorite movies to watch is the twilight series I have. I have a huge love for this series when I was younger. I hate the twilight fan and now nowadays. I'm more pro twilight antsy which is Kinda funny movie heart though like when you first told me like your obsession with twilight started. I was a little taken aback like Harry Potter. Like about like Harry Potter. I do do I really do. But it's just lights up of it in your ranking. It actually being good but in terms of my enjoyment level. When I'm watching I definitely have a better time watching twilight with people that I do watching Harry Potter befall just lived through twilight. Wait Lives through Harry Potter way too long. Whatever and and are there more things to like talk about like bad things to talk about and twilight than there are in Harry Potter or yes by huge huge margins? Right and that's I guess that's the fun part of it. That's like the film student. Coming out of me is sort of realizing like Whoa. That's that's really must stop. I'm so intrigued. What one of these subplots and did you have? You read the books. No no but my good friends story going fighting trying to give you these books for like five months and every time I see you forget them in my trunk and I'm sorry I'm not walk all the way back to my car across pick them up soon. It'll what do do you guys have any particular experiences twilight. Ernie opinions on. We actually recently talked about this on a podcast are over under podcast. And we considered it in overrated film Because of all the hype that I agree but I did read the books. They're better but I agree. I love watching them. Because I'm just like this is something else. I agree that it was definitely over. Hyped like maybe that was sort of the time was like I don't want to like things that other people lake. Then you watch it and you're like wait. People actually genuinely asked that's the fascinating part of doing the only thing I can relate that to is like I was never like a one direction or like the Jonas brothers laying. Okay closeted one direction. Fan Best friend when we were in high school when their first album came out. We didn't talk about that. We didn't say we like them. But where get together because I think it was like our junior senior year of high school and then like at night when we would just like. Hang out and drive around our small town. We'd roll the windows down at her car and just like blast one direction out because we just like we liked it so much but then we would go elsewhere and we didn't like my with ahead of very good friend in high school and she loved like death metal stuff like music all that jazz but she was like the most wonder actioner you'll ever and it was so confusing as I guess. That's one of those things you just have to exception and it's just you can't figure it out down Frank. Yeah Yeah and she didn't dress goff either but like that's not into like that doesn't mean anything but I was just like so fascinating and I was like you really rate but you have a dvd box it of one direction Nicole. I don't think I've I don't know if I watch this before but I think my best friend got up for me when we went off to college like for my birthday or something it's like their tour for TV. So but as soon as you brought that up I was like hold on. I'm GONNA sneak away and go grab something that might my show. I'll be right back okay. So Tory what movies like. What's your kind of trash movie of? I trash movie so my first trash me that I could think of was I used to watch this movie with Kevin. Bacon called hollow man he mountlake two thousand and my mom said I used to watch it all the time. Like as baby and link Rian Act like some of the scenes. It's like have you guys ever seen it before. Looking it up right now might have heard of it. God Yeah Synopsis for You. Think and then you'll understand why I really watch a whole thing again when I was sixteen and still can't after years of experimentation brilliant but and Sebastian teen has discovered a way to make matter invisible determined to achieve the ultimate breakthrough came pushes his team to be or to move to the next phase using himself as the subject. The test is a success. But when the process can't be reversed Keynesians seems doomed to to a future without flesh and I have no idea where my younger child self loved so much memories of like some scenes of the movie but I try to watch it again when I was sixteen. Couldn't even get through the first twenty minutes of it. The most horrifying thing I've ever seen every night and holiday is is scary. Movie Two made fun of it in their movie. Like bats. And I'm just yeah it's just I'm sort of shocked in different kissing a skinless man exactly and they're like trapped in this laboratory and lake. He's trying like kill people and you're just like what's happening right now. Thinking I have nothing to say for my anger self. How dare she? I think it was one of those things. They didn't realize what you were watching. When you watching it. When I was younger I accidentally would watch adult swim. Having no idea what the content of those cartoons are because I would just watch cartoon network and then all the sudden they would switch to more. Cartoons. This is kind of weird but whatever. Yeah having no context of what's actually happening. Yes but what are we Nicole? You're swimming you can think of I. So this is the movie I watched as a kid and it traumatized the heck out of me so I remember I was maybe like eight ish and I was over at my neighbor. Slash like best friend's house and we had a movie night and she's a little bit younger than I am. And so are movie options. Were homeward bound. You know like the super cute like dog. Dogs and cat go Yes A and the second option was killer clowns from outer space. Grew Bro Still. Haven't seen this. But I've seen like click things on Netflix. Now if you want to revisit that but I remember we like had a tent in her living room and obviously when I was a kid I thought you know I watched horror at my car. Go be so cool and I so I remember. She fell asleep and I didn't. It was like Eyes Wide. Open watching like this horrific. There's a port where I remember this. Oh vividly he does like a shadow puppet like one of the clowns and he eats a bunch of old people on a bus stop with a shadow. Puppet was so sad. It's it's tremendously bad but it traumatized me from clowns like hardcore when you're instant traumatize you at first well. It like it as the movie went on. It just got worse and worse right and I remember waking up in the middle of the night and obviously I was at her house so I didn't know how to turn off the TV. When she'd Fallen Asleep I woke up to the DVD screensaver of just the clown walking back and forth popping in and out. And I'm like Oh my God. They're still here. I can't wait did is awful. I did re watch it though like as I got older and I was like. I'M GONNA FACE MY FEARS. Just going to be right in my. Oh my God this terrible like it is not a great movie. I mean it's interesting to say the least but it's not a movie. Traumatize you to hate clowns If you're interested they have funke pop figurines of the clown love go pop and I believe Universal Studios had that as a theme for Haunted House. The movie that people knew about. I didn't either. So yeah it was a little bit. I watched it again as an adult. I was like okay. It's it does not hold up in any way. The way that they were trap people is they would put them like. They obviously had a spaceship that came down. There was a big circus tent. Obviously because what else are they going to come down in time and and then they would. They would like kidnap people in like trap them they would trap them in cotton candy cocoons and the way someone found out is they pulled the cotton candy candy right they pull it off and it's just as bloody human underneath like it's literally like hanging. Oh God I'm looking at a picture. It is not a vibe with Tori not devised trip. They don't look right now but when I was eight who look pretty good. Yeah so what other movies do you have on your lists okay? Can I just say I noticed something in someone else's list and I'M GONNA call them out for a foot lego movies in this list. I'm a little bit offended. You care to elaborate. Yeah so that was me and I think that was more. I feel like the audience didn't like it too much and I loved both of them like I don't know I took forever to watch them. I was like no. It's going to be dumb like legos. GonNa be dumb watched it. I got obsessed with it right near is like one of like Benny. This spaceship can like. I'm on my keychain. Like I love him but I feel like people didn't really like it was a one time watch and then they just. Kinda like throw it away to Mike. No y'all but I could be wrong but I just remember it. Took me forever to watch. Somebody is GONNA be disconnect dumb within like was really good. So that's the reason why it was on there. I don't necessarily know if it's trash but I don't think I don't think that it had rewatch ability for the audience as much as it did me right. I think it was very responsive to the audience. Maybe not the second one. I didn't really like the second that much but I did. I really like the second one. So maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Two is my put the second one in that as well but I think you're old of movies like the adventures with clutch powers or some shit. Because I was like how dare you? I don't even know what that is. So yeah it's an old but I was more like the new ones or I think. In my brain I was thinking the sequel more so the only thing I'll say about the lego movies is I strongly dislike Bam in make any inclining fatman but like Obama NHS my favorite. He is one of my favorites. Willard away so funny. I'm so glad that we are a group of Lego Batman stance rain because I hated up until the point. I watched that freaking movie. You know what I think. I'm obsessed the little league. Did you guys after it was when they're making Batman versus Superman and it's like one of the outtakes of the movie and it wasn't in the movie but it was like during the dinner scene. Where like Bruce? Bain Ben Affleck and like Superman Henry cavill they're like they're playing their characters and they're like Oh. I'm so much more macho than you. And then right freaking comes in and relive them and it's like so funny and he's Plano Batman Will Arnett and it's like the best thing ever likes John so it's great. I love that he so great one of my favorites. You know what I have on my list that I think is going to get like a lot of hay or at least from a Dole. Is the despicable me series? Okay I have on my list to. We will talk about it. Despicable aims best thing. Ever but I also like the minion movie so like I like all of them see but I got. There's a lot of people that aggressively hate minions why you know s and it's understand when I will tell you why I'll tell you why it's not about like older annoying because kids like you know what she okay. Nicole over pulling out of millions to everybody in the threatening. My cousin made that for me. Listen the the first. Despicable me film was very. I like it okay. I think it's very good and emotionally driven movie. The studio illumination as gotten to the point where they have only been making films to cater towards family audiences. Which like sure okay a Disney. Does this like it makes sense for profit? It makes sense for for Money Ryan. Branding keeping consistent brand. Yes however I do have a problem with and annoying to me when you start 'til like us all of the possible stereotypes. All of the possible tropes that you possibly can to of milks this as much as humanly possible to the extent where. I feel like I'm suffocating. Like baked recipe didn't like it and it's not just despicable me. It's also like the the newer grinch movie with Benedict Cumberbatch Didn't they do life as they did sing? They did sing and those movies. Foul ahead like these very typical very typical plot points. I guess that you see these characters have that are made to make children go. Aw or made to make MOMS see. You should respect me. You should respect your mother like the grinch movie was literally just. Oh I'm a single mom and I am great and the oldest walked the dude stuff to appreciate her mother and also obviously big hand. Hand needed to you break okay. So I went. I took my family when the minion movie came out we went and saw it in the theaters right. It was me my mom and my Stepdad and there was a point in that movie where they had a monkees reference like the old band like the TV show of the Beatles basically and they sang the theme song. And I remember I was in the theater going. Oh my God I love this like I can't believe they're doing a monkees reference. Now all the kids theater were just like all over the head. And you don't even know this rate you don't understand. This is what it was like one of the best parts in the movie. 'cause I'm in a theater like losing my mind and all these kids are like they're singing. No billons of that movie. We're actually pretty cool. And I wish they would have been sort of in a more serious look different type of movie. I would've loved to see them. Yeah that makes sense to you. Guys remember the. I like kid movie that you saw the movie theaters. I've heard stories about my first theater experience but I don't really remember and apparently my parents took me to Tarzan when I was pretty young and as soon as you know like the beginning of Tarzan's Berry Berry kind of loud cinematic you're rushing in their with the I just started crying and then they had to take me out so that was my first movie theater experience when I was a kid was Tarzan being so like loud and just like to get them into the intense jungle world and then I started crying and my parents had to leave pretty intense. Was Your first movie. I saw I think I was like five or six and I remember where it was too. I saw finding Nemo in the movie at Sam's town. Yeah so specific. Yeah I yeah. I think it was the first time I was at a movie theater that I actually remember too but I saw. I don't remember my first movie that I ever apparently saw was lying king when it got re released to theaters the last one. I remember I think I saw either. Radha to we. I think it was a little bit later that I I definitely saw the first conflict panda movie and it was unforgivable because my my cousin made us late made a knows like thirty seconds late. But I'm like whole Hustler. Why movies I hate going to movie theaters late because when it's all dark and you're trying to like adjust yourself in the dark so stress as like a specific length movie seat. That's your seat for the night like watching the trailers like I feel like that's part of the experienced. Yes yes I I never go to movies lay. I have only been there been late to time and I remember both experiences and they were to other people. The first one the second one was Melissa sent and both times I was equally furious for you. Yes next to me. Writing typing out Batman versus Superman. But everyone else thinks trash but you know I respect it okay. I thought you were agreeing with me. But it seems like we have in the superman person so like I have a few qualms about that movie to like. I do think some of the parts of it are stupid but I enjoyed it the way Ben Affleck. It's man it's just like I want to throw a shoe. It's face lake but I can be base that I didn't think his name is you literally just said earlier. Superman actor that by superman a Henry Bill Campbell. I think your weight looks. He looks the part. He's very like STOIC. For Superman like less of a friendly version I can interpret. I can appreciate that. Like interpretation of them I feel like. Did you ever watch superman like the one? The movie about him The steal one or the the original the man of steel one. Okay Yeah I DID WATCH. Men Steals very interesting not quite expecting but the ending fight. I think was pretty cool. Very confused and most of the time. Why is he awake journey journeying? I can't be passed that. What was confusing about it. I didn't okay while it has been a while but I know at the beginning. He was like he journeyed to a location was him trying to look for his his base. I don't know what that's called. I you're superman. I am not a super okay. This is crystal on now. It's his fortress of solitude. Lemme I won't Splaine Superman Aka Clark Kent East from an called Krypton right. We all know this as a child looking megabyte on his planet was like dying basically and we'll about to explode until like a million pieces and his dad who is a scientist was sent him him and his mom sent him as baby in ship alone to Earth. Right here on the him. So he's all grown up and like because he's from another planet and their son was weaker are yellow sun in our solar system. Gives HIM HIS ABILITIES RIGHT? Never knew he knew he was like not of earth but like he never knew where or like how or why though in man of steel he's an adult and he travels around the world trying to find his origins and when he comes across his ice palace. It's called for solid. It has his space ship but he came in like the bigger version of it that his biological dad had. And that's the entire movie. Did he find this fortress of it? Is it on earth. So yes how do you just stumble upon an ice palace? He didn't just stumble upon it so as he was traveling. The world doing like staying under the radar he would follow like the way he founded it. He's he was working on a military base in like a lasso. Handling it makes a lot more and so he was like one of the dudes just like moved equipment and stuff so he was like tracking down and they were like they hadn't found it yet but like there was like activity around that place so he figured it's gotTa be around here somewhere and he finds it with his powers kind of okay but he's got a use investigative reporting which helps them later in life as a reporter for Batman begins equivalent to the origin story of how how you became Batman to call himself Batman. It's like same. Yes but it was I though. What are you sure about that? Man of steel came out before Batman versus Superman. Famine begins the like the now. Oh yeah I mean like I feel like all the origin stories for superheroes are GonNa like that the same same formula? Yeah tips filmmakers. Today's episode will be split up into two parts so check in with us this Friday from one trash chocolate sky event.

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The Weekend Edition | 2 October 2021

Fear And Greed

21:57 min | 2 weeks ago

The Weekend Edition | 2 October 2021

"Welcome to the fearing grade weekend edition the weight. That was a wrap of the big stories over the past. Seven days. i'm michael thompson and good morning shawn alma morning michael. It was a huge wake for share energy prices corporate takeovers new global leaders gladys berry jake leeann and covert timelines. Did you enjoy the week sean. Well it was pretty frantic. Bookended by incredible moves on markets at the beginning of the week and the very surprising resignation of the new south wales premium gladys berry giglio. On the end of the week. It was pretty mad. Yeah gray with you on that one. Let's jump into it. I thought the wake was really just crazy for equity markets and i it got even more so basically every day i we went down down then up then down what was going on well. Bap sushi decides it's very volatile these trading stock exchange. At the moment. As you said big foles big rise big foles. It was similar. I this as not quite eggs. Drastic as it wasn't australia. This is a global story. it's all about stagflation or the fear stagflation. That's what happens when you get rising interest rates and low economic growth. It hasn't really been a problem. Since the seventies where it's dined too keen is the signs of price rises that companies are reporting transport costs a higher energy. Costs are much higher in this shortages. We've seen those lines in the uk and the story's out of china there's also a shortage of global semiconductor chips. That's all pushing prices up. Also china is slowing particularly its factories. And that's all coming. A central banks start talking about easing off on monetary policy the heads of central banks in the us the european union japan and england. This week all said that this higher price push was transit tree but investors just aren't so sure in australia. There's an extra factor commodity prices a high coal gas buys medals on oil. Prices have rebounded. You put all that into the mix in the ice. Six isn't quite sure way to turn to do. We actually have inflation to have a pickup in the global economy. Or is it not really picking up as much as you'd expect given the reopening tried the banks would really volatile this way you can come royal bank moving two or three percent in dight energy stocks with differently better and gold was on. It certainly makes it a lot hotter for big. Ipo's coming up is g lotteries. The big one. That's festival with that five billion dollars. It's really hard to pick way markets together in the next month or so. Yeah it's been an extraordinary way sean. And international news has been plenty of that around as well for me. One of the the really interesting stories related to cryptocurrencies and to surprise as michael nice surprises. I am drawn to cryptocurrencies partly. Because i don't really understand them that well. But i just find the volatility in bitcoin in particular just fascinating and we saw that this way because two of the world's largest bitcoin exchanges of stopped taking new registrations for chinese uses and that's because of the ban added beijing on cryptocurrency being used. There is the central bank in china. Said old crypt are related. Transactions will be considered illicit financial activity and when forty percent of digital currency trading is out of china that makes a fairly big impact on the market. It does that the interesting thing was that. Bitcoin didn't actually lose too much value this week. It's volatile. anyway. I would have thought at the beginning of the weightman that came out that bitcoin cryptocurrencies would have devalued. But it didn't really happen. It's just hard to predict isn't it. it is it's else getting onto around the world all of schultz. You'll hear his name favorite more. He's likely to be the new chancellor of germany. Taking abram angola merckel mr schultz leads the centre-left lift social democrats. They won the biggest share of the vote. But they're in the midst of try and find a dance partner to form a government and japan also will get a new. Prime minister said the liberal democratic party elected a new leader. Fumio kishida that follows the resignation of yoshi hit a soga. The prime minister on the back of surging cases of kobe. Mississauga was earning the job for year. Though he did get to. The olympic games in and national election in japan is due later this month. Also international news two of the big canadian. Goldman is kirkland lake in nico eagle will merge create a twenty four billion newest allah jaws that will compete hard with his charlie's big l. produces places like new chris and northern star. Let's have a bit of a look at some of the local news from the wake national on the wake started with the prime minister saying he wanted to give people their lives back by christmas on friday. We heard a bit more about that. About how that might actually happen and it was really. The focus was on the international travel ban and the the plan to lift that in november as states hit. The eighty percent double jabbed mock and cape cod of it really is home quarantaine for the fully vaccinated. That has been a big wake. Fa- numbers particularly in victoria. Yeah it's been bad. News really markle. The numbers in victoria have surged not helping with. I feel grant fondled potties. Last weekend now seemed to become super spit or events. The new south wales case numbers have definitely plateaued and that site is edging toward seventy percent full vaccination rights. Hopefully that seidel hit then. In a week's time these files also got a time line. This week about win they will get out of lockdowns. Eighty percents expected in the middle of this month that we easing of restrictions at that point and then ninety percent in early december coins as an interesting one there just to be uncomfortable with the numbers in the sunshine state people are infectious while in the community and we now with the delta variant is when people in the community. It tends to spread very quickly. There was some restrictions imposed on some local government areas in queensland the tae started but then they got a surge in writes on thursday and friday. Fortunately that territory has hard vaccination rights. They are things found out this week around. Kevin supplies no longer problem. Madan or and fis of this plenty of both those drugs and enrolled at to all peoples no matter what your age and the governor has said. It will allow rapid antigen tests at home for the beginning of next month. It's hot now. When all the reopenings will occur new south wales has its time on. Victoria hasn't wissmann mistrial in queensland remained fairly and signed. I have no plans to open borders. Silla fairway mentioned showing the tomlin for new south wales and that was announced earlier in the week by new south wales premium gladys berridge. Who has been one of the arguably one of the strongest latest during the pandemic bought yesterday showing. She dropped a bombshell. She sure did. No one could say that coming when all this occurred that she had had a relationship with the ex. Impede daryl maguire who had been investigated by tech. There was certainly talk. That gladys was showing tiff on qualities. Getting away with it. Thanks to covered. Will that sort of came back to hit a obviously yesterday. A surprise to run. I think cake needs to ensure that they've actually got something that they can stick on missouri clean because otherwise it's bit of a wasted if she's done a terrific job for the state of new south wales during the pandemic in terms of the health and economic outcomes of that state. Obviously the cac inquiry is not something that she felt could go ahead and she could stimulator. Yeah absolutely right and now show one of the other big stories. This week was the housing market We do seem to talk about this a lot. And it's because it is such a story that that impacts on pretty much everybody in the country the regulators and the banks are worried about soaring house processes. They've just been shooting up astronomically of the last eighteen months but no one seems to be listening. That's executive house. Prices are up twenty percent over the last year. The core logic numbers that came out yesterday. That's the best since nineteen eighty nine and we're in the middle of a pandemic. it actually doesn't make sense. The canceled financial regulators. That's kind of the full big policy making groups or economic policy making groups strength furniture regulation authority strenuous carries investments commission treasury reserve bank. They get together. That cancel command said they getting to look at taking action to take some of the sting out of the market that motmain increasing minimum deposit a person needs or capping the amount of debt. Someone can take on so that's part of it. Bit consumers are still buying last weekend's national clearance rights with the best since april net extraordinary. Isn't it. there's been plenty of economic news around this week but it's been a little bit unclear as to whether it's actually been a good or bad week. It's a bit like the financial markets with retail trade. Came out that was down during august. Probably not as bad as some people had thought. It wasn't quite a disaster reserve credit die timeout having finances still really strong dwelling approvals. They've been down for three months then. They jumped in august now home bill. The brought forward a lot of it. That's why they went down but just the confidence back in that construction sector. Joe vacancies down ten percent in the three months to august on a year earlier. But it's actually not that bad given we're unlocking wearing lockdowns. The financial budget outcome philosophy came out and that showed a deficit of one hundred thirty four billion dollars that was eighty billion dollars. Better than thought this just not much direction around at the moment now. It's quite sure what will happen. The reserve bank board meets next week in the central bank also releases its financial stability report. Hopefully this time next week. We'll have a bit of an idea of where the economy's going. Yeah and showing. How about the story through the week about the i triple say and google. So the answerable people say once new palace to rining. Google's dominance in digital ad spend and the thing that really blew me away was just how dominant google actually is ninety percent of digital ads. Have google's fingerprint on them somewhere not just edwards but often it's the technology used to serve the ads to digital saw. Its uses google product. Rod seems the head of the straddling competition and consumer commission said that dominance potentially homs rivals. And that's why he thinks new pals unaided just freudenberg. The treasury said he'll consider that people say report turned to corporate news now showing cigna healthcare lobbed through the wake for australian pharmaceutical industries. It topped the westbound has bid made last month. Now sigma and api arrivals. An api actually bead fatigue. Murphy's ago show a deed and sigmund knocked them back. This is a really tough sector because api and sigma have these community service obligations with a must provide drugs to pharmacies within forty eight hour period of demand. Said it's a huge logistic system. These companies now wizcom was hoping to buy. Api to get into the health sector. Cigna has come out of the top. I mean the good news for shareholders. Vip is this bidding war on for the company. In that means you end up with the high prices. It wasn't the only tyke have off this week. A consortium led by us group teepee pg capital made at one point four billion dollars. Cash tyke have offer that salary and packaging group smock group cooperation and not surprising. Any that consortium includes eight super company away super and then yesterday optus sit it had sold i seventy percent stake in its australian mobile town network to australian super for one point nine billion dollars. Infrastructure of course is the hottest thing in the market. If you're superfund at the moment absolutely seems to be a new development there every couple of days at the moment showed as now another interesting story this week. I thought was qantas replacing the perth to london flights with darwin into london till next april that came after alan joyce had talks with the mcgowan government in western australia. I can't imagine the talks. Were particularly successful because qantas's also delighted the return of w. a. to new south wales and i to victoria slots so it does pose the question of whether alan joyce has met his match in mac mcgowan. It's good christian. They too very very strong leaders. But ellen joyce undoubtedly is frustrated at the west australian premier and what he's government is doing in terms of lockdowns. I think we all are yeah. I think you're right there. Now tell me about hp. This was an interesting story during the week with a proxy advisor voting against the roadmap to renewable energy at gm's in the uk. Australia proxy advisory. Glass lewis is one of the big ones proxy advisers are becoming much more influential because what they do is they advise shareholders on how they should vote on resolutions at gm's with got the gm season coming up in australia. Class lewis has advised shareholders. Vote against bay. Hp's roadmap to renewable energy. They pay has an zero target by twenty fifty. This is a really big issue for companies especially the is in results sick disease. Gm season because if the proxy advisers on voting for them they run the risk of actually having the resolution voted down and one loss story showing and of course it involves tv and streaming seems to be a common thread between most of our episodes foxtail. And the boss of foxtail. Patrick delaney says the future of the cable channel is in streaming. I think we all knew that. Maybe he just realized that this week. I'm not sure. Yeah look it's sort of an old world a cable channel. Now isn't it. None of my kids watch. Cable will stream everything including cayo which is obviously a foxtail streaming. pet full. mr delaney came out this week. He said that he was targeting five million subscribers for foxtel up from three point nine million but it was really going to become a streaming service. He also hinted that he wanted to list on the ice aches show. And now we get to the point in the program where we go through the biggest story of the week. The sleigh story the most remarkable story and our favorite story and say whether we agree on any of them are. I think we will agree on the biggest story of the week it would be the markets run absolutely when an economy's infection point. Which is what's happening in australia. And around the world. It's really quite difficult to see the next few months ahead. It also means plenty of investment opportunities in six months time. We'll look back at this period and si- will probably not that difficult to work out that global growth will emerge in a certain way and inflation will take off in some way but when you're in the middle of it it's actually really hard and i think in terms of big stories around the globe. Financial markets is the big one at the moment. And look i also agree with you on the slightest story for this week and it is about ice palace. Arrive michael to inter i. I have a feeling. Just go to a hunch that stories. Three and four there might be a bit of disagreement on about the sleep it where aligned on it because it's about ice pal. A german group wants to spend two and a half billion dollars in australia on renewables. The thing that makes it such a an interesting story for me is not just the amount of money two and a half billion dollars is a lot about the fact that it's it's kind of a sign of things to come really. I think so. I think a lot of investors and particularly european investors. Who are a little bit more advanced in thinking around. Renewables will come to australia. This huge opportunity here. We have such big land mass. We have so much sunshine sandwich wind. We have the ability to store power when you have those things. I think you will find investment in australia. Not so much that they can somehow transport that energy to europe but tha-that australia can power the region australia and the asia pacific and even beyond. That's why i think it is a slap a story as ye do europeans coming and visiting australian renewables. They're really big opportunity. Remarkable story for the week. Sean what is your pick. I think it's quite remarkable that for the first time since the second world war the adult mile population average age declined last year. Now that's on the back of covered because of the number of deaths but every generation seems to get older and it always has been that way except for last year where life expectancy fell by two point. Two yee's we're getting younger and only pandemic can do that. What do you think must remarkable story model or you're not going to believe it but it's nearly the same store. It's it is very very similar to that story but it is the story about the causes of death in australia. During the pandemic and the fact that hot as last year was in fact lower than twenty nine tain which is the first time the annual number of taliban has fallen since two thousand and nine and then there's a host of other regular causes of death dementia strikes lung cancer other respiratory diseases. All of those fell during lockdown and the main reason for that was the public health measures that replies social distancing lockdowns et cetera. Really meant than that. Even things like the flu didn't spread and covered. Non tena was the thirty eighth ranked cause of death but just the overall flow on effect of the public health measures on other normal causes of death to maye makes it the remarkable story. The way yeah. I think that's right now. Michael what about your favorite story of the week while my favorite story of the wake was actually on monday and so i called it very early at the time very early and it is about the european union wanting smut fines to have a uniform charging courtside no longer going to have to find one charging code fear. I fine and different code. Fail you samsung fine. It's just one code for old finds. It is a common sense story. It just makes sense to make the change side. That's why the european union deserves to be the favorite story of the week. Look a con of agree with you. But i want to be three and a half out of full. Here's how i'm going to totally disagree with you. Talk about take talk having one billion active users after just four years. It's got one billion people using it at school closures telecommuting. All that stuff has really helped it my kids announcing eighties and nineties music hopes may up so that for me is my favorite story and if we get you on there it's one billion in one. Go on go on. Let's have a look at the interviews from the wake. Monday was a really interesting. That was with jason cooper. The o of embarrass wait. It's a fascinating company and virus weight. And it's one that that. Matthew kidman from centennial asset management picked out as a stock to watch a while guy just because they are finding technological solutions to environmental problems around the world from kind of hey throw measuring airport noise right through to toward equality and equality wrapped around the world site as people start to shift as companies and governments start to really focus on these environmental measures going to need technology that tabled to deliver the outcomes and embarrass weights position. To do that is really interesting company. That won tuesday's chat was with paid. If it's simon's from the australian republican movement also an author and journalist at the sydney morning herald. Pay is always entertaining and just given all the stuff. That's going on around strategies relationships with the us in the relationship with china. I just thought it was a good time to talk to pay to to say with these trillion republic movements up to and he is a great enthusiast. If nothing else he certainly is now. Wednesdays interview was a great one for me to listen to. You spoke to evan lucas. The head of strategy at investment and he basically went through resources on all base. Metals batteries gulled companies and tried to make sense of. What's been happening lately so a really interesting one to kind of give yourself a bit of a base understanding of why things our they are at the moment then thursday's interview with doug mcnamee from jolt charge. This is the group that's rolling out. Electric vehicles stations charging stations in satellite and sydney. I don't much about that. And that's why. I found that interview sow interesting because i learned how much you have to pay how it works. How a has and pulls up and plugs in that type of thing really interesting interview in great model. Yeah absolutely and the fact that they have one hundred million dollar investment from blackrock hopeful suddenly suggest that there. They might be on something there. Now on friday spoke to christiane writer from cottigny capital. That was a good chat. Show was it was. We started off about reflation trade which is about. What's sake does you should invest. When things are getting better but in the end we went through everywhere. We talked about banks and resource stocks. We talked about consumer staple stocks. And then the more interest rate linked stocks like redesign investment trusts and discretionary consumers stocks. And we bicyc- went through. The hall is six two hundred in about twelve minutes. They have a fantastic chat highly. Recommend that one for any investors or anybody just looking to get a good understanding of what happens when the economy starts to open up again if you do wanna listen to any of the interviews or indeed any of the shows over the past week. They're all available on your favorite podcast platform or at fear grade dot com today. You which is also a way can sign up for a new newsletter which is released every weekday morning. Don't forget that tomorrow morning. We'll be back with adam lang as well from the fear in grade team to have a bit more of an indepth look at some of the news around the place. Thank you very much sean. Thank you very much. Marcle on michael thompson. Have a good saturday and a great weekend.

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117Come Dancing

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117Come Dancing

"Hello and welcome to the next episode of how good it is the show that takes a close look at songs from a rock and roll era, and we check out some of the stories behind those songs and the artists who made them famous. My name is Claude call and my dog walked out on me again I. What? What what? What does that mean? Member check out the website, how good it is dot com and the twitter. And instagram, and of course, the facebook page which you can find over at. FACEBOOK DOT. com slash. How? Good. It is pot and. Why is it Khalil bag? While I'm plugging stuff. Let me also note that this show this show now has patriot page. Okay. The truth is I created one several months ago and I never did anything with it, but someone found it. So I'm opening it up to the rest of the world I've always wanted the show to be ad free, but the fact is as the audience grows, it does cost more for me to run this labor of love especially since you can download episodes all the way back to episode number one and in addition to Internet based off I. Have Equipment and research materials to consider. So it is a pretty expensive. So I'm not begging. I'm not even pushing all that hard. But if you can afford to I would really appreciate your support. If you can't, it's Okay I. Still Love you that link is over a Patriot dot com slash how good it is, or you can find it over at the website here. Is Some Beatles Trivia for ye today ready for this one, which of the Beatles only had a driver's license for about four years. I'll have the answer to that one near the end of the show. Now, when most people think about the kinks, the first songs that come to mind are usually Lola or you really got me but those songs while pretty big barely cracked the kinks top five singles. Singles at least as far as their chart positions here in the United, states are concerned. You really got me number seven in the US Lola number nine. Now, the fact is all of the kinks records that released in both the UK and the United States charted better in the UK with exactly one exception, and if you having guess what that record was, well, you have been blamed close enough attention. By the Early Nineteen Eighties, Songwriter Ray Davies wanted to move away from the big arena. Sound that the king had been using for the previous couple of years back toward A. More personal, feel at the same time. Davies was feeling a little bit nostalgic and thinking about his older sister renee now renamed wasn't just an older sister. She was a lot older than he was on the order of like seventeen years or so. Rene had gotten married and moved to Canada and by most accounts, her husband wasn't abusive guy which meant that she ended up visiting home a lot in June of nineteen, Fifty, seven ray was turning thirteen years old, and he'd been trying to talk his parents into getting him a Spanish guitar as a birthday Gift Rene who was thirty, one at that point came to visit the family home that week and she gave him the guitars, his birthday present in an interview with Terry. Gross. On NPR. He said they played a few songs with her on the piano and him trying to play this new guitar, his first and. And after wall she said okay. I'm going out now and he watched her go out the gate and down the road the next morning, they got a call from the police telling them that renee had been dancing at the lyceum ballroom and had suffered a heart attack basically dying in the arms or a stranger. He said quote, she was an artist herself and seeing her go that way and the impact it had on the family. I. Didn't realize what a watershed it was. She gave me my first guitar, which was quite a great parting gift on the piano. She played the day. She died I wrote most. Most of my early hits in that same room, it's where I was born in that room unquote. So Davies had this experience plus the whole idea of the passage of time having its effect on the things. We remember the dance halls closed one by one, a supermarket gets replaced by a parking lot and so forth, and the other thing that he had was his sister Gwen who has about seven years older than he was. So while he certainly never saw reneges dating life, he'd certainly see a Gwen going out on dates and then coming back and saying good night to them, and in fact, for a while he. He would say that the song was about. Gwen, it wasn't until later on that. He said, Rene, was the real subject of the Song Davis said in an interview with MTV Marc Goodman that writing the song came easily probably because the idea had been kind of cooking in his head for some time, he began composing it and Ernest on a casio keyboard he'd purchased in. Tokyo. While the band was returning from a tour over there, nine out on March of one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, by October, everything was completed and the single released in mid November with the album, still a few months in the future. Okay. Let's talk about some of the details here because there's a bit to unpack and some of it's kind of fun. Now, one of the first things you might notice about this song is that he's really leaning into his British accent more heavily than he does and most of the Kings. Many of the British invasion bands had this habit of singing with American accents or close to it largely because they learn rock and roll from listening to American records. So they were imitating the sound lead heard out of Elvis Presley Chuck. Berry. Or whoever now whether this was a conscious imitation or not is debatable. But that isn't really important fact is the kinks did it too. But in this song is very definitely not and that too is a conscious choice on Davies Park. He's made a couple of different claims with regard to the psalms point of view. One is that the songs being told from the point of view of a stiff. Now, a SPIV is British slang for a a kind of a petty criminal. The Guy who deals in black market goods. The word grew especially during and shortly after World War Two when lots of things were rationed and spits still manage to get their hands on stuff probably illicitly. Davies, other stories that the narrator is an eastern barrel boy that being someone who sells goods like fruit and vegetables from a cart of some kind. Either way you're looking at someone who is considered to be relatively low on the social ladder and Davies reason that if he could restore people's faith in the being quote, Unquote real people then this song. Sung. Could do the trick. We're GONNA come back to the. The PALLEY. Anyway, what were you singing? There is a British is version of word, Palais which is French for palace, a lot of the big old buildings, originally, heaters and were converted by into dancehalls usually went by the name, the thus and such Palais Perhaps one of the more famous dance halls in London was the Hammersmith Palais? which was built as a theater in nineteen ten, but before ten years. Years ago by was converted into a dance hall, it spent a few years in the thirties as an ice skating rink, but reverted to a dance hall in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, remained that way until two, thousand, seven when it was unfortunately condemned for demolition and ultimately taken down in two, thousand, twelve, nowadays, a student residence hall stands on the property, but the Hammersmith was just one of several. Several places that operated in much the same manner, and nearly all of them had some form of live music going on. Personally, I like to think that Davies had hammersmith in mind only because of that worlds are like organ sound that carries you from one part of the song to the next. It's very ice palace to there's no credit for an organ on the album. So it's probably Ray Davies's playing. Playing the synthesizer also worth noting is nick avery drumming on this record. It's hard to pick it up because he does it the same way each time, but he's actually a little bit behind in many parts of the record. Ray Davies noted specifically that the drum rolls into the chorus are literally a full beat late. But Davies is also said, that's one of the things he really likes about the recording. And then one of the things I appreciate. The song personally is the nostalgia angle specifically. The narrator telling you about the new thing that replaced the old thing, and in some cases replacing the even older thing, and just as the parking lot replaced the supermarket and the bowling alley replaced, the Dancehall so is his childhood music replaced and suddenly were in this power cord break before returning back to the dance older style. Just sound, and here's what I'm going to draw. NEAT. Little parallel that maybe not even David Thought of see when he was in school, he was in the choir and part of what they learned was Gregorian. Chant, and if you don't know Gregorian chant is the religious music that sounds like this. Now listen to the first couple of lines of you really. Got Me. Bad. Year similar pattern there. If you sing, it pellets even clearer. Davey. said in the NPR interview that you really got. Me had some of its roots in gory enchant. Essentially, he took its patterns and turned it into rock and roll effectively putting an end to the music of his youth, and now here in come dancing, he does the same thing replacing the world. It's organ sound with some cranked up guitar. Just the theory. So the kinks were still in the middle of their relationship with Aristide records at that point, and there was definitely some pushback on the record in a couple of different areas. It was suggested by the label that he sing the song and an American accent to which he refused, and while the UK branch of Aristo was supportive of their releasing come dancing as the first single from what ultimately became the state of confusion album Aristide President Clive, Davis pushed back because it was too English, and because he thought the song was just kind of a ditty didn't have enough substance to be released as a single. So it was released in the UK in November of nineteen, eighty two, but it didn't see a release nited states until April of nineteen eighty-three when it did well. Well, in the UK and the video finally took off MTV a few weeks. Later, it entered the hot hundred and it finally peaked at number six. In July of one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty three, and because it was so hot in the US. At that point, the song was released in the UK that same month making it to number twelve. So that makes come dancing the only single by the kings to chart better in the US than in the UK and that number six position is the king's highest charting single won't tying it with a ready for this tired of waiting for you. Come dancing was pretty much their last big hit anywhere although there were a couple more singles that got a lot of airplay without really tearing up the charts and do it again would be a pretty good example of that. My guess is unless you're a big fan, you don't really remember do it again. But if I played a few bars, you'd go Yeah. Stinks to be you though because I'm not gonNA, play it, go back and rediscover your kings my friend. And while you're doing that takes some time to watch or rewatch depending on how old you are the video that got so much airplay on MTV. If you seen it before a Betcha, don't remember just how good it is. It was directed by Julien Temple who made a lot of music videos in the nineteen eighties, and it features Ray. Davies definitely dressed as a SPIV here, not a bellboy. and. The spivs The guy doing most of the nostalgia although it also shows the spin as the guy dating sister while a young boy looks long. So the point of view switches between the Steve and the kid depending on what's being sung when it stands homestyle J, it's the spiff and stuff about the sister. It's the boy. Also, there are a couple of really great shots near the end where the kings become the dancehall band and the Spigot is there in the balcony while people in modern day dresser all bopping around him and he's just standing very still in the middle of it all. You can see the whole time has passed me by vibe in his is also the horn section at the end of the videos, just a little bit different. So listen for that when you get there. And I guess it's worth mentioning the Davies used the song as the centerpiece for stage play called come dancing while it had a couple of kings hits in it. It's not what you consider a box musical. And it only had a limited run London in the fall of two, thousand eight. And now it's time to answer today's Trivia question. Back on page two, I asked you which of the Beatles only held the driver's license for about four years. Well. That would be John Lennon. who was the last of the Beatles to get his licence in February of one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five, the same day that the Fab four started recording sessions for their help album. But. John. Was a notoriously bad driver and on July first one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, while he was on holiday in Scotland. He told his car injuring himself Yoko Ono, her daughter Kiyoko and his son Julian everyone. But Jillian wound up with some stitches fort while Yoko was pregnant at the time, it was not thought to be the reason that she miscarried some. Some months later, John had the wrecked car moved to their home. In tinton. Hershey Park, and after that, he always let somebody else drive him around coincidentally that July first date was also the first day of recording for an album for Abbey road. John Wasn't scheduled to be there that day, but the accident did delay his return to the studio by a few days. And that's all full LID ON A. Of how good it is. Thank goodness. 'cause my voice will look this tonight. If you're enjoying the show, please take the time to share it with someone. Go tell all your friends. Maybe even leave a rating somewhere on your tunes, whatever your pipe. Thatcher is, and I can support the show over a Patriot dot com slash. How good it is. If you want to get in touch with me, you can email me at how good podcast g dot com or you can follow the show on twitter or instagram at how good it is. You can also visit like and follow the show's facebook eight at facebook dot com slash. How good it is pot. and. Finally, you can check out the show's website. How good it is dot com. 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199: The 1974 "Forgotten" Summit Series - With Craig Wallace

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199: The 1974 "Forgotten" Summit Series - With Craig Wallace

"Coping nineteen brought to you by cdc and the ad council if you're feeling increasingly lonely right now you're not alone. It's totally normal. Even though we may not be able to get together in person connecting virtually with friends and family still gives you a chance to interact with people and may help raise your spirits. Join a virtual book club. Setup group text chats or online video coffee breaks coworkers. Find more self care and coping tips at coping dash nineteen dot org. I don't think they got to win the series. You might win. Why watch the workout this morning and the russians are real good skaters. But i think the canadian wasn't taking away. Don't even win committee canada. Seventy four the underdogs with the canadian public and the press selected players from the world hockey association. The national hockey league and its players said no when hockey canada invited them to join forces team soviet. Seventy four the very best players in the entire. Ussr a country where there appears to be no conflict of interest when it comes to icing the strongest possible team when so much sporting prestige internationally at stake it's canadian hockey versus soviet hockey versus the refiners. It's truly hockey versus hockey. Welcome to good seats still available. A curious little podcast devoted to exploring what used to be in professional sports. Here's your host. Tim hanlin greetings and salutations. Everybody how are you doing my name. Is tim hamlin. And of course it is good seats still available. Yes it's our little Little journey together that we liked to do each and every week in our little exploration into what used to be in professional sports. Thank you for finding our little show. And if it's the first time you've had the opportunity to listen. Well thank you. Welcome and have a seat and we look forward to hopefully adding you to the growing legions of listeners out there and hopefully something to Keep a little distracted from the challenges that still buffet us as we all. Try to get through this virus and all kinds of other stuff. Some glimmers of hope i think Coming our way politically and economically. And hopefully i'm the unhealthy front but regardless of sort of where you sit in all of that Hah about A little diversion. Shall we for a little time and this week. We're going back into hockey. We had such a tremendous. I frankly a bit stunned at the The input to the reaction and the the seemingly love of memories from our episode back in. I guess it was december right Around nineteen since you Series that canadian Ussr soviet union epic that We were honored to kind of go back into with with rich. Bendel In our i guess. I was episode number one ninety four We open up pandora's box frankly with that conversation and we thought we keep going with it because this week we are equally excited to be joined by craig. Wallace as we talk about the subsequent series that happened The one thousand nine hundred seventy four forgotten summit which just happens to be the name of the Of the book the essential book by craig. Wallace the forgotten summit Which was a take on that Memorable and titanic series between team. Canada and team. Soviet union or the soviets are ussr. Whatever you wanna remember them as and as we talked about in our conversation previously About seventy two right. That was you could not have scripted. That one any better Rich talked about some of the more memorable moments. The ups and downs and again ups and downs. And and what a series that was and and you know in many respects bolting This new series or or try to add onto What was arguably a legacy in. Its own right and seventy two. Two years later was a herculean challenge for sure. But as we talk about with With craig in in our conversation coming up in just a couple moments quite amazing in an in and of itself in one thousand. Nine hundred. Ninety four certainly reconstituted right. We're talking about A team that was comprised a not of nhl canadian stars but w ha canadian hockey stars and interestingly the soviet team largely comprised of the same quality crew that took everybody to the in seventy two arguably strengthened with a few other new recruits shall. We say So you know in many respects. I guess the w. h. a. Obviously still fledgling at that time. It was frankly fledgling all its entire lifetime for sure but certainly had a lot to prove and this was the chance and interestingly right you got a couple of big names Now part of the w. h. a. At this time that were part of team. Can the newly reconstituted team candidate gordie howe for sure not sort of able to To play in that first seventy two series because he wasn't part of the nhl. Bobby hull certainly very interesting in in this process. jerry cheever's paul henderson frank mahala which these are all part of the the the composition of one thousand nine hundred seventy four version of team canada in the summit series seventy four style and arguably the forgotten some it. We're gonna get into the intricacies and the idiosyncratic idiosyncratic nature yet show there. We go of this series also eight games. It didn't turn out the same sort of Hugely celebratory way. That seventy two did i. 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I guess on i guess what will call sort of the forgotten summit because as many of our listeners know our previous episode devoted to the seventy two series. Which was you know. Game changing on a number of different levels. Some was a substantial event in canadian. Absolutely yeah and of course in russian and soviet history and frank on the world stage two but before we sort of get into this equally intriguing but perhaps may be less understood or remembered seventy four summit series Why don't you give us a little background as to your professional life and your intrigue into this series and how you kinda went deep on it and why hey Well professional life I actually do have a day. Job and I work in human resources for national defense contractor and growing up There was always a hockey game on in my house I grew up. I was born and raised in toronto and I remember being absolutely. I was only in great to win. The seventy two summit happened. But i remember being riveted by the games and that's all people were talking about whether it was at school the through the media Family members. You know my friends parents. Everyone canada just seemed to be utterly captivated by it and It certainly produced hockey at a skill level pace That you really didn't see in the in the national hockey league it was And and you never and you just didn't see the emotions and the intensity and so nineteen seventy four came around. I was a little bit older understood. hockey more was actually playing ice hockey We were all pretty excited to get to see a repeat performance And i wasn't as familiar with the Some of the players on team canada. Seventy four simply because the. What didn't get as much media notice in toronto They had the toronto toros at It moved from ottawa. the year before They they had limited Exposure on tv but nothing like the hockey night in canada and the toronto maple leafs. well shut the w. is obviously going to be a big part of the story and we've we've gone. We've gone deep on a lot not a lot of different sort of h. Angles including by the way. Our our pal dennis murphy who still kicking around out in southern california being the chief instigator of said league and and his memory being fairly clear and crystal. But i've never really asked him about sort of this summit series. So i guess maybe part of the framing of this right is the halo of seventy two. The you know the sheer national pride in canada of winning a truly epic series. I mean so traumatic and and all that you could not have as i said in my previous episode with rich i mean you could not have scripted the drama any better but i think it's really important to understand to maybe sort of pro hockey at the time in the early seventies Not only in candidate but in north america right because the nhl right was. I dunno seven years or so six or seven years into its own. I guess Dramatic expansion from sixty late sixties. Right and the w. h. Ed really shown up kind of uninvited. Shall we say in seventy two to kind of challenge the man so to speak and truly push hockey not only in the some of the major markets that the nhl was in but frankly expanded into other markets that for whatever reasons the nhl had either ignored or put on the back burner and all that kind of stuff. So maybe maybe that sort of helps set the table a little bit as to how. And why this seventy four series and it's interesting different wrinkles sort of came about. Oh no you're absolutely right. I mean the nhl had no interest in markets like hartford or edmonton or winnipeg quebec city and the w. h. a. Put those cities on really on the hockey map and we are one of the things that what wanted to do was to be viewed in the same way as the nhl is a major league. You know major league major league caliber shall i say and There was really only a couple of ways to do it They could challenge the props to a championship series between the two league champs The nhl of course would never agree to it. Even though the w h a regularly issued such challenges. I mean there was no way the nhl was going to get involved with that. And so the other way after the seventy two summit was Some people in the within w. h. A thought you know. I actually believe it was ben harrison who was Owned a winnipeg jets came up with the idea. That if they played the soviets in a series much in the same format as seventy two Even if the what didn't win the series if they were competitive then the idea that the what was quote bush league would be gone because the nhl was life and death debate. This opiates You know years earlier so again if the w. h. Could my god if they actually won the series. Then they would you. Nobody could say bush league but really all they had to do was be competitive and so the idea of playing. That's really how the whole idea of the seventy four summit came about was the attempt by the world hockey association to be viewed On the same level as the nhl not unlike the playbook frankly of of anything tennis murray was involved in right this is this feels promotional with a capital and maybe in all caps right the ultimate sort of. Hey look at us and pay attention to us and it just seems like the ultimate pr vehicle. Oh and that's exactly what it was and for know. September of nineteen seventy four when the series was going on The nhl was very effectively. Knocked off the front pages of all the sports sections across canada. Because there's the. What had finally got the media attention that they wanted and they were be were being covered by the biggest sports writers in canadian media and the the entire world party was was Looking at their best players. Well i guess the the canadian populace certainly had sort of many still warm fuzzies around sort of just the the epochal Adventure and or victory and a and the the sheer you know Monstrosity of the publicity and the national pride. Right of having one seventy two series but in some respects i guess maybe this is a cynical years after the fact looking backward in time kind of comment right but it's almost like the original rocky was pretty darn good but you know rocky to. Where does the story go from here. Is this really a good idea or any kind of hesitancy as this was being bandied about was this kind of like the w. h. Saying you know what this is a great way to get attention for us pretty quickly and who better and how better than by resurrecting the good vibes and the amazing story of what happened two years prior. Oh i agree. i'm not aware of any hesitancy The the what was gung ho and so was the soviet union. The soviets were stunned at their loss to canada two years earlier and they wanted another shot at the as they called the canadian professionals and the nhl was not interested in getting involved in serious like that again because quite frankly they know that there was a a a pretty good possibility. They might not win. I mean it did take in everything. Those players had two years earlier in. Nineteen seventy two to win that series and they need you know how to get a few lucky breaks as well and so the the the and the nhl was not gonna play the soviets and that type of format again and So this was considered win win for the w. h. a. and the soviet union. This is also interesting too because again the thing about the timing rights seventy two is the first year of the what but that original summit series occurred literally in the preseason of the nhl and arguably the the preseason what but the decision was made. And i frankly don't remember how but it seems pretty swell. There was no effectively. There was no w. ha around the original summit series when it was announced in the summer of seventy two right so it wasn't even an issue per se of quote unquote wnba players. Getting a chance to play in that series. Because they're really essentially was no week right. Yeah well the league started in the fall of seventy two but The preseason the what preseason had just started when team. Canada returned home I remember reading a biography. are not a biography by derek. Sanderson who had been named the team. Canada seventy two and then drop when he signed with the w. h. a. And he talked about Coming through his either the montreal airports to for an exhibition game and seeing team canada. There and they had just arrived home and sanderson was kind of kicking himself saying he was. He regretted taking the. What money 'cause he could have been part of that wonderful experience but to to your point though the. What was re. I guess it had just started operating in the preseason. But they hadn't the league itself had started the regular season for the when the seventy two summit happened but not not an unimportant issue as we get into seventy four the w.h. Because there are two standout players right that in essence while you mentioned dare derek sanderson. Obviously he a more key players but but even to sort of even shall we say hallowed brighter lights right that i wouldn't say the w. h. Ensnared them so to speak but Were the whol was instrumental. Essentially or they're they're defections shall we say in their ability to play in the seventy two series originally hall. And how bobby hull gordie howe right. I mean two different guys to different situations. But maybe a moment on how they couldn't play in seventy two and maybe why seventy four was an opportunity for them to be part of that. Maybe in the second round of the this kind of well. You know the bobby home. Really put the w. h. a. on On the map when he jumped from the chicago blackhawks to the winnipeg jets and it's very interestingly enough Every team in the what contributed towards bobby hall's million dollar signing bonus a million dollars in nineteen seventy two was a huge amount of money and the jets reached out to all the other owners and they all agreed that you know even though bobby homemade play for an opposing team When the winnipeg jets came to town. You're almost assured of a very large crowd. And bobby hall. Bobby hallways in your league. You weren't bush lead. Well actually quick parenthetic most most of our listeners will see that in many respects action. I think almost became the model for a lot of other challenger leagues in the year. I thereafter was sort of this collective. Let's let's take one for the proverbial For all of us right pele. We've discovered in in seventy five. When he came to the cosmos in the north american soccer league there was not sort of well known a collective passing of the plate. Donald trump in all his ridiculousness clearly evident in the eighties tried to do the same thing. When you hired doug flutie to play for the generals that didn't go very well by the way but but not interesting that that's almost like a a paradigm definition or change. Your right there in itself agreed. Agreed and Bobby hall had been named the team. Canada seventy two but um when it became when we came known publicly that he had signed with the world hockey association Team canada drop them. The rules Around team candidates. Seventy two was. You had the ballot. Nhl contract that was good through through the seventy two. Seventy three season and even Prime minister pierre trudeau justin trudeau's father tried to intercede to get the whole permission to play for team canada and the nhl was adamant they were going to go there. Were going to war with the w. h. a. And they were not to showcase. What players on their team. Canada gordie howe was different Gordie howe would actually retired after the seventy seventy one season so when the seventy two summit came by he was a working as a vice president with the detroit red wings and very unhappy because he felt he was being wasted And so in the summer of seventy three the w. h. as houston aeros shocked the hockey world by drafting his two sons mark and marty who were both under the age of twenty and at the time the nhl had a rule that you had to be a minimum of twenty years old to be drafted out of the junior leagues and The houston aeros check. Said we don't have that rule so they signed mark and marty or drafted mark and marty and then gordie Is the story goes Spoke to the general manager of the arrows. And said how would you like third. how So you know two of the greatest legends. In canadian history hadn't played for team canada. Seventy two but i did play for team canada. Seventy four so. That would that was huge. News i mean and there certainly was some concern Amount a lot of canadians. Sports writers that You know gordie howe was forty six years old. How a name name of earth was going to be able to keep up with the soviets to certainly played at a pace very few h. l. teams ever played that. Well give me a sense of the summer and fall of seventy four after all. This been announced and stuff because i can also imagine the sports writers in particular. I don't know maybe. Kind of trying to cast aspersions on this as being sort of a lighter weight kind of What right only two years. Old at the time and hockey purists. Maybe at the time or certainly sense probably would look at the w. h. as fledgling certainly more exciting but it comprised of more shall we say minor league talents and some some quality stars that were lured over and maybe frankly aging players. It wasn't necessarily may be perceived or reality as quality if you will our top notch or or legacy is the nhl. You're absolutely right. I think a fair way to describe the w.h shea After the end of their second season. So let's say the summer of nineteen seventy four was. They were a significant step above the american hockey league which was of the minor leagues but probably a notch below the nhl and overall quality of play Rick smith who i interviewed extensively for my book the forgotten summit and brad sell would who i also interviewed Both very good. Nhl defenseman when they jump to the world hockey association But as rick smith told me he said the difference in the league's was most. What teams had ten to twelve nhl caliber players. Then the rest would be players. Who really wouldn't have made the nhl And you know a lot of what teams had one or two good quality defenseman and the rest were well kinda scary out there. And there was a definite drop off in the caliber of goaltending. Now interestingly enough though team canada seventy four had one of the best goals in the world. Jerry cheever's cheever's backed up the boston bruins two two stanley cups and early seventies. He was another member Player who had been dropped from the team canada roster because he signed with the world hockey association and So a lot of reporters when they looked at the overall lineup team candidates seventy four. The basic gist of it was great. Net which jerry. Cheever's god help them. If they have to go to the two or three goalies don mcleod or gills gra thome on defense they had to stellar defense and pat stapleton. Who had played very very well for team canada. Seventy two n j c tremblay Who was also named a team canada. Seventy two and then dropped her going to the w. h. a. after try after stapleton and trombley they had a lot of solid defensemen in people like rick smith Rick lee broad so would But there was a real question of whether those those guys would be able to adequately protect cheever's. I mean could they keep up with the soviets. Where do you know who the remember back in nineteen seventy-two. We saw this with sobe players like valerie harlem off. You know blow around superstars like brad park or savard. I mean people were saying what what are they gonna do. Do like rick lear. Paul shamir And then on the forward they thought the Actually team canada was pretty solid on the left wing with paul henderson. Who you know the heroes seventy two. He jumped at the toronto. Toro's and nineteen seventy four He could no longer stand playing for hockey team. Owned by aero ballard. Frank mahala chew had been on the t seventy two team and played quite. Frankly the he'd been horrible He was getting another shot at the soviets hall. The golden jack. We've we've talked about And some really good quality left wing or centre centerman were ever considered okay On right wing you. Had you know. Mr hockey gordie howe in so but question within was could he keep up. You know he's forty six years old. That's h. for professional athletes and But overall you know put. The talk was they were gonna be they. Were definitely going to be underdogs Smith told me though that They had received very detailed Instructions on what type of physical condition to be in and he said pretty. Well they all took that Very seriously they showed up. In far better shape than team candidates seventy two had lars erik schober. Who would just signed with the winnipeg jets from sweden As a consultant team candidates training camp which was held in edmonton and schober got it a lot of knowledge to the players. They watched all the games from seventy two extensively. And interestingly enough the head coach team canada billy harris harris. It actually been the head coach of the swedish national team and the seventy one were killed hockey championships in the nineteen seventy two olympics and he was a former very good. Nhl player with the toronto maple leafs in the fifties and sixties and nineteen sixty nine. He had regained his amateur status and played for canada in the world hockey championships. So billy harris was one of the most knowledgeable people in canada regarding international hockey and was all the all the players i spoke to just raved about him as as a hockey coach and as a real gentleman and harris really Put in a very detailed game plan with players and a lot of that focused around He staying to the penalty box. He kept preaching that he said. We need to dial down the a little bit. You know at times team. Canada seventy two appeared to be almost odor control emotionally or harris told his players. You know when we score you know be a little bit more. Like the soviets. Don't don't be you know we don't have to have a massive celebration and when they scored. Let's not get down. Let's try and keep things more on a little bit more of an even keel. Shall we say how about how about the fans. And the press Was the anticipation and and the expectation is is high and and you know just passionate as the previous one or is that just impossible to match. Frankly it's impossible to match. And i think Hockey th actually on the internet Hockey canada produced a very good documentary on the seventy four summit. And when you at the very beginning they're interviewing fans and in quebec city and it was pretty split whether the among the canadian fans on whether they thought team. Canada beat them team. Canada was definitely the underdog If you looked at the hockey news from back in that time period from you know. I recall seeing the hockey news. Poll out of twenty five hockey re graders. Thirteen of them sought. Canada would win Eight eight or nine thought they would lose a couple of predicted the series would ended high so there was a there was the there was. I think a good way to put it. There was a lot of curiosity so you know. Because although team candidates seventy four definitely lack the the overall elite talent team candidates seventy two on the other hand. They were far better prepared. They knew what they were. getting into. Team candidates seventy two. When in completely blind team canada. Seventy four was going and they knew exactly what the task was ahead of them and they were very very well prepared. How about so. This is also now again going to be in. What september right which is going to be the preseason once again curious that it wouldn't be during the season but i guess that just from a logistics perspective getting if you will and all star team if you will candidate standard. What ha centric together. Probably makes the most sense. I guess how does how some of the mechanic sort of get set up because it looks like it was In terms of of operation fairly similar if not almost exactly the same as the format and the and the locations and the sort of the dynamics and against the rules to of what transpired in in seventy two and eight km series The first game in canada the second series set in moscow Any new wrinkles or differences or was there a reason as to why it was sort of sort of framed largely the same. I i i have to believe. They wanted to kind of follow the nhl format So i think that way they could possibly compare themselves positively to how the nhl Did one of the big differences though Again the players showed up in far better physical condition. They had a sixteen day. Training camp was huge. Difference or two big differences. I should say from seventy two was team. Canada seventy four had a much smaller roster as we call in seventy two Four players quit team. Canada went home because they were angry. Over lack of ice time. Billy harris promised came in with a much smaller lineup or roster. He did promise everybody they would play and he was bound bent that he was going to live up to it about another big difference was exhibition games. Team canada's seventy two had three inter squad games Played the soviet union in game one. That was the first time the team had ever actually had played a game together and team canada. Seventy four was not gonna make that Mistake bill hunter. Who was the owner and operator the edmonton oilers and he had been a longtime fixture in the western canadian junior hockey league arranged with the western junior league to further with for the juniors to put together an all star team and they played five exhibition games against team canada and various small cities across western canada places like brandon manitoba and red deer berta and remember rick smith telling me you know. He said the competition wasn't the best they say. You know guys like bobby hull. Gordie howe play against juniors but he said it actually gave us five invaluable games to try line combinations defensive pairings and he said those kids could fly so he said that was good training for us as well. You know. 'cause they're the pace. Those kids could play out was pretty pretty intense. And he said there's nothing more valuable than actual game experience. Who when you're getting ready for a big series so That was i thought. Very wise move. They may have tried do They may have been better off if they've been able to talk. Maybe finland or sweden and maybe brought a finnish or swedish team over for a couple of games to get them more ready than you know. Higher state of level of competition juniors but overall with. That was a very good move so by the time team. Canada and the soviets in game one in quebec city for the seventy four summit. You know candidate had a sixteen day training camp under their belt. I think they could have gone would have been better. Doing maybe even add an extra week to that but it is what it is but they also had those five invaluable games under their belt as well so the line line combinations and defensive pairings they all knew how to good idea you know how they were clicking and billy harris got an idea how sharp is goalies. Were looking to in a game situations yeah. It's also interesting as well that there's also the intermediary games if you will between The canadian leg and the russian leg Not unlike the seventy two series a couple of looks like a game in finland and sweden in between that again sort of as a tune-up or whatever so it's interesting that sort of that's true. The ultimately forgotten component of these both of these series. Right are these little intermediary games. I think it looks about in this case. There's also a game on their way back as well afterwards when they were coming back much of the canadians. So some are also yeah. This is another element that just truly has been forgotten in the in the course of remembering very much so and both brad selwyn rick smith made it clear that there was a big difference between those games in finland and sweden. Then what happened. Two years early with canada when they play two exhibition games in stockholm in as we recall and seventy two team candidate practically been booed. Out of the final game in vancouver and in stockholm. They were accused by the media being thugs and even quote gangsters for the rupp style of play. And that's routine. Canada really started coming together as a team. You know they've been booed out of canada. They were being ripped apart in in sweden and was almost they develop this. You know it's us against the world. Where when t team canada's seventy four Left canada and pollute to helsinki. Both of both smith and sell would said it was a wasted week. We got quote fat in scandinavia The games canada played as well as they had to. They beat finland two three and sweden four to three but in both games they would they played in kind of fits and starts as i put it You know they start off fast jumped into a lead. Take the foot off. the gas. Allow the fence or the swedes to Get a couple of goals and they put the put the pedal to the metal again. And you just can't play that way against the soviets that you know they needed better competition and brad selwyn told me after the series after the final game moscow they had final game in prague against the cia baki and national team and he said we made a huge mistake. He said none of us wanted to go to prague We didn't wanna play them. We just wanted to go home. He said they said the game. Sh- had no purpose. He said what would have been better. Is maybe play. A game in helsinki against the fence or in sweden against the swedes. Give our guys who have had a lot of ice time. Give them lots of ice time and then before going to moscow go to prague and play one or two against the checks because he said they were really physical far more physical than the swedish or finnish teams where and and they were far more talented. He said give us one or two games in prague with our with our lineup and we would have been really battle-tested and going into moscow instead he said We really got soft and scandinavia. So where is the And we'll get into the sort of games maybe more specifically where was the w. h. a. And all of this. It would seem to be that there would be no snow stone left unturned or no stops pulled frankly to maximize the promotional value for all this in some respects is also the team canada flag but it was also probably the opportunity for the logo flag of the w. h. a. Frankly to be flown. Shall we say figuratively simultaneously. If not more so because this was not just about canadian pry. This is also about the w. h. A brand fledgling is very much. So i mean well certainly with Travelling to all the games were. What owners and officials The media at the time made it very clear that this was the. What in canada So the yes and by extension or maybe unspoken was. This wasn't necessarily the best we could do as canada. Maybe exactly and i. You know for for somebody. I think for a lot of canadians. That was kind of you know we were cheering. We were obviously wanted our team to win. But we had a built in excuse. 'cause that clearly was not the best team canada could send. I mean if you think about it There was probably five or six players on team. Canada's seventy four that would've made A team made up with the best canadian canadian professional hockey players. I mean if the what nhl had combined to You know set. Put play the soviets again in a summit series. I think that i'd say about four or five. Maybe six players team. Canada seventy four. Where he even been asked to try for such a team. We knew we knew it was a good team but it was not the best young. It's also interesting to. I mean again. This seems in retrospect right but why the w. h. a. perhaps didn't sort of try to do a league. Centric thing versus the soviets still borrowing from the summit series model of seventy two. But i can. I can see where tapping into the canadian success in the previous one. That that a canadian a model would've been more proportionally powerful. But you know if the w. h. I guess this is a confluence of whose needs are being served. Most right the w. h. a. obviously trying to serve. It's neat as a fledgling league to show that there is top quality as as the nhl is but then again. It's not the h. Against the soviets. It's the canadians and what comprised of canadians facing the so. I'm just curious how that sort of how that came about to to make the case. Well i think Interestingly enough tim if the what had waited a year so let's say had the series in one thousand nine hundred seventy five. They may very well have actually had a team. What versus the soviets but you have to remember in nineteen seventy four The best players in the. What where canadian. There were a lot of re high profile non-canadian players in the w. h. At the time the winnipeg jets had just signed anders hedberg oath nilsson lars their shubert and a couple players from finland. The toronto toros at got to Czechoslovakian stars up not manzke and richard farda to Defect come to toronto But that was they had yet to play game in the. What to your point. I think team. What could have been very very very strong possibility. But it wouldn't have been in. Nineteen seventy four would have been in the following years when those players had established himself as true elite players interesting so so so broadening it to team d. w. h. wouldn't have necessarily gotten much more talented us given the preponderance of canadians in the league at that point. You're absolutely correct interesting. I also noticed too and let me get some of the games i. I'm just curious to four games in canada why edmonton was not one of the four places versus quebec. Toronto winnipeg and vancouver very simple reason the northlands coliseum hadn't been built yet so the edmonton gardens. Where the oilers played. I think it only helps six thousand people so they they weren't they That wasn't that wasn't going to be an option. Interestingly enough though one question. I always had was. Why did team. Canada have their training camp in in western canada then fly to quebec city. Meaning me up with the soviets work their way back across the country to play game for him in vancouver and then have an extra long flight to europe from vancouver as opposed to perhaps forcing the soviets to fly from moscow to vancouver. You know what i'm saying. Open the series in western canada. If your team canada out there so that all that extra travel also Care was a burden of the players and a lot of those a lot of those players on team. Canada world their players to and It would have taken some of the travel burden off them if they'd actually started the series in western canada and work their way east and led to a shorter flight from quebec to Europe very interesting so give me give us a sense. So we're talking. September seventeenth nineteen seventy four game one in quebec city. Give us a sense of sort of the lead up the game the expectations. Obviously this is the home of the quebec nordiques. They've been in the In the league for two years since the very beginning of of the league. So they're obviously you have an obviously a well established hockey culture there. What's the what's the vibe. What's the expectation. What all these out and what. What are what are people kind of expect in. They excited disappointed. Very there was a lot of excitement. the caller say was packed. That night Lot of dignitaries there the question. A lot of the media had was how team canada with a lot of older players again. J c tremblay. Thirty seven ralph. Backstrom was turning thirty. Seven gordie howe. Forty six bobby hall frank mahovlich. We're in their mid thirties. There was a real question of whether these t players keep up interesting in game. One was actually dominated for fifty to sixty minutes by canada. The canadian players as old much older than a lot of the soviet players were matching them. Stride by stride times. Winning races to the pox Billy harrison and put in a very disciplined game plan Really pushing to for all the forged always be back back checking and he said we can't have any odd men breaks and Canadians played a very good physical game without taking stupid penalties and They opened the scoring twelve minutes into the first period. Johnny mckenzie former boston bruin was set up really nicely by andrea qual- The sobe taking a three two lead in the third period Valerie harlem off who had scored two spectacular goals in game one of the seventy two series scored and probably the most beautiful goal in the whole seventy four series in the second period. But with about six minutes to go. The game was The soviets route three two two and a lot of people. I think we're thinking well. You know the canadian hunting. Their gamely better teams winning. And as i put in my book. The forgotten summit then. The soviets made an error players in north america. Learned long ago. Learn never to do. They love bobby hall and guarded in their zone with room. To shoot and hall was set up nicely. By under liqun johnny mckenzie and just put a bullet passed love to tie the game. I've met his fifty one seconds. Remaining in the hockey game called the meeting rate to canadians with johnny mckenzie and the crock and then the canadians supported on made a couple of dazzling stops off. Mark cardiff and mike walton. And with about thirty seconds to go in the game gordy house and frank mobley in alone breakaway entre chac and the began unfortunately missed the net and the game ended in a three all tie and Billy harrison in the soviet coach coach. Boris kulagin shook hands after the game and kulagin said through a translator. Very nice and harris smiled and just said yeah. The spectators one tonight because it was a it was a tremendous hockey game. And i think for a lot of canadians. There was a sense of relief. That team canada seventy four had not been blown off the ice. They were actually pretty darn good hockey team. So delayed some fears than i guess that at least the series was going to be somewhat competitive and perhaps the w. h. players could hold their own very much so A lot of canadians jerry. Cheever have been brilliant and that for canada canadian. We could've used him two years ago but the players who a lot of people didn't think that highly of the ricki lee's abroad cell was the rick smith's paul polish on defense. They played very very well. They jerry cheever's got a lot of support out there. The forwards stayed with their checks came back and back checked. I mean it was a very well executed Game plan billy harrison put in and the players played it to perfection and to be fair canada dominated. Most most of the play. And they really. They deserved a better fate than just tie. But i think most canadians were satisfied with it because they were expecting worse. All right couple of days later in the show moved to toronto much better result for the canadians myself. Is that this. This second game was a little less. Shall we say well played by the canadians. But frankly gutsy or grittier kind of performance that kind of the way to winning this game. Exactly that's actually exactly what billy harris said. He didn't think his team played as well. They weren't far off but they it was a very gritty performance Again team candor state out of the penalty box They had actually jumped into a three. Nothing lead when alexander yakushev who had torn canada part two years earlier scored three to one and then very interesting vladimir petrov who was an outstanding centerman for the soviets Fired a shot past jerry. Cheever's that came in went in and out of the net in an instant. The goal judge hesitated before putting the red light on but the canadian referee. Tom brown overruled. That saying he didn't see the puck. Go the net that would have made the score. Three two two And maybe made a very different game but from there the canadians Got another goal. A late goal by j c tremblay and pulled off a four to one victory again. Maybe they didn't play quite as well as they had two nights earlier in quebec but team canada was very much the better team harlem all down the left wing now. Jc prom lybia. Five five seconds left the break for burn made and get his balanced and gone at the buzzer to win the second period. Another of a many many scoring chances. The team has failed to cash in on. How in this period and interesting. You know the there is talk that The canadian players two years earlier had looked at each other after the first period of game. One said oh. My god this is going to be a long series. The soviets were saying that now they had come in underestimating team. Candidates seventy four the media and they knew this wasn't the best team that our country could ice but now they could very easily been down two games to nothing at this point. They were fortunate. They were only down by a single game and the next one peg so canadians perhaps felt like they were on a roll. And you know but you know as as last two years prior at the series right. It seems like drama was just around the corner and it wasn't necessarily going to be as as easy as that. And perhaps maybe it feels like the soviets kind of going to winnipeg on the twenty first of september kind of maybe made some adjustments. Maybe or maybe give me a sense of what game three was like because obviously the result quite different very different. Well i. There was some concerns with canada. gordie howe banged up his ribs. In the first period game two and by the end of the first period he was industry close. he was not gonna play in Game three frank. Mahabharata played a good game. One had been invisible in game two. He was taken out of the lineup. Jerry cheever father had a massive heart attack in the stains that make believe gardens during game two and he was in critical condition hospital. So cheever's was staying with his family. He wasn't going to play. That was very ominous. Cheever's had been really games. One and two just fabulous. Didn't his father actually pass on per because of that incident after he did when the team got to moscow that's totally tragic very Don mclean jerry. Cheever's backup don mcleod. Who he well. He was very definitely the number two goalie. For good reason eat. He had Had very limited action saw very limited action the national hockey league. He really became got his real first chance to start in in houston world hockey association. The previous season he had had a tremendous year But he had not had a good training camp he had not looked sharp and he He didn't look particularly sharp against the juniors and there was a real concern putting him out there against the soviets Billy harris also decided. You know cheever's couldn't play gordie. howe couldn't play. He'd promised all his players that somebody they would get into at least one game and he thought you know you know what why not do it. Now we're heading the series. Worst case scenario happens when we lose. We're tied this is still better than a lot of people. Thought we'd be that we would do so. He took rick lee and broad sell would out of the lineup who had been so good and games one and two very solid defensively and replace them with marty. How and al hamilton. Again don mcleod replaced. Jerry cheever's Other players going into the lineup or jimmy harrison. Tom webster marc tardif Sato game too. He was going back into the lineup and One of the one of the things that became very obvious to all of us as we watched game three was team. Canada was getting tired. The first two games they played where played at a pace and skill level. You'd rarely see even in the h- in the national hockey league and this was the third such game in six days and in fact gained three was played on saturday afternoon. Not saturday night. And a number of the canadian players said they. They're getting exhausted. Even though they'd come to training camp in really good shape and game three turned out to be a bit of a debacle There so it was one all at the end of the first period by the end of the second the soviets up four to the canadian forwards. Were not back checking there kind of drifting in and out of position the defense was struggling. And don mcleod was struggling and the soviets kind of blew it all opened the beginning of the third period jumped into a seven two lead and then for two or three minutes. Candida showed came back Paul henderson a pair of goals. They're bernie one adam hamilton. I remember watching that game thinking about. We're gonna come back you know. We're down seventy two. And all of a sudden seventy five but no. This of the soviets popped another one and ended up winning the game. Eight to five and they were very very definitely the better team day But billy harris stuck to his guns and said he was happy he got A lot of players like some of the lesser lights on the team shall we say They got the play. And the you know. And even when i talked to his cell would brad solid and rick smith. Neither one of them faulted billy harris for doing that. I mean rick. Smith said billy harris was a true gentleman. Every manner of the word can every and if he made a promise he was going to keep it so then there was. You know one. More game to go in canada Which was monday night in Vancouver on the twenty third and an interesting game on a number of different levels. Let's set the tone. There feels to me like the canadians. Kinda let this one. Slip away in vancouver. Yes so going into vancouver. This was a game. Canada desperately wanted They wanted to leave canada head in the series because they knew they would face some real challenges in europe and one of the things we have to keep in mind is for the canadian going to europe. Most north americans aren't nearly as worldly as europeans. I mean if you if you look at a map of europe you could be if you were driving could be in several different countries in one day Europeans were were used to traveling to Like hockey players in particular. We're used to traveling from country to country dealing with foreign languages and such where here north america. It's basically you know. We traveled from canada. The united states and outside of going into quebec. There's really not issues with languages. Different foods and such so as rick smith's This was a game we badly needed. We wanted to go leave. Canada head Jerry cheever's his his father-in-law was still in the hospital but he rejoined the team. He'd be back that that was a huge boost Ricki lee moved back into the lineup incident. Interestingly enough though marty how who'd been played in game three and quite frankly was terrible. He had a terrible night or terrible afternoon. He remained in the lineup and rick's rick. Smith told me he said that was a signal martin. Marty was a great guy. A really nice man. capable defenseman. But he said he was really kind of over his head at this point in his career playing at this level and he said we thought mardi was only in the lineup to keep gordie howe. Happy 'cause gordy was back in the lineup and this was going to be a game. Where gordon could play against the soviets with both is boys mark and marty and and rick. Smith's it a team is supposed to be bigger than any one person. This was not a good move So so the game started off very fast pace soviets. Got a quick one. Broke into the lead Gordie howe scored a beautiful goal. Set up by ralph backstrom the so each made a two to one. And then bobby hull a really exploded across ohio. Going crazy vancouver. And i'm sure all across the country code you gotta watch. This gets better from. What's what's the speed in. Which bobby home gets an away. Draw hay auto home that little job. And where did it go off. Hey it took us three game. They're perfectly bobby hall scored a hat trick in the first period. Frank maha which got another in. Canada was up five to two and a lot of hockey pete. Hockey journalists said that was the single finest period of hockey. Any canadian team had ever played against the soviet union and the soviets had not how bad period they just been blown off the ice. I mean bobby hall's goals he told them from three different spots of the ice on three different shot types of shots. It was unbelievable The only goal of the second period went to the soviets alexandra jaka shop who had had a hattrick trick in game three Far one of the hardest shots i've ever seen Nearly knocked your achievers over on the way into the net and then the third period on a couple of occasions candida almost made it six to three and with less than three minutes to go so it would scored a pair of goals to tie the game at five all and it was just heartbreaking. I mean if you'd said before the series if you'd asked the team canada players before the series would you have been happy after the first four games in the series to be tied. I think they all would have said yes. But looking back now as rick smith told me said we were the better team in game one. We should have beaten them. We beat them in game two game three as well. It is what it is. It was a catastrophe. And when you have a team when you have your opponent down five to two you should win the game. So he said on one hand we were happy. We bounced back after that. Horrible game in winnipeg But then we had this terrible this letdown and it wasn't a candidate took you know took their foot off the gas you'll bought a sloppy track. Meet some tremendous saves in the third period to keep candidate from scoring and a one particular play andrea qua- who is just dominating. The soviets on faceoffs won a faceoff in the soviet zone. Drawing the pop. Back to johnny mckenzie who fired a bullet passed tackling to see bounce off the post so it was it. Was you know. Certainly a lot for us for us. Canadian hockey fans. You felt good that you were tight but you knew he could have done better in darnall. We should have done better and we. We talked about the The inter mezro games. That finland and sweden were those before they went to moscow which is where the last four games of the series sub occurred. We'll get to that in a second. But we're any with those two games televised in canada finland game the sweden game. Those intermediary games don't believe so In the hockey candidate documentary. I mentioned earlier. There is some footage from both those games in there. I believe they were broadcast locally in. Helsinki burke but I don't recall them being broadcast here on the radio. But not televised. Yeah interesting in today's day and age you think well okay. Well you know that that would be part of the drama series right. Because it's it's it's a lot of you know you can make some observations about tweaking the lineup or or or they're they're hanging in there if they're getting better if it was helpful or not helpful but we're we're in a different era of course with television radio and media availabilities To boot right absolutely so how about game. Five in moscow. Now i remember the seventy two series. All of the games in the soviet then soviet union were played at the same location was at the same case here. Yes it was as. I don't even know that. List ice palace and i believe it's still being used today Gate things went off the rails very quickly For canada They were instead of practicing in helsinki for the day. They were flying into game five or end up moscow. Billy harris decided it would be better to work out at the list. Nikki ice palace when they landed. Well anyone who's traveled internationally knows. You can't always set your watch by plane. Schedules and such the flight was late. when they landed I don't know if this was actually. A plot by the soviets but when the soviets came to canada they were given full customs. Courtesy the instead of having to get off the plane when they first landed a montreal. Canadian customs officers boarded the plane so they wouldn't get tied up in the airport. Check their passports. And then they're allowed to fly quebec city when team canada landed in moscow for game five. It was catastrophe it took some of the players took three to four hours to get out of the airport. Their baggage was missing by the time they got to the hotel. It was nine o'clock in the evening. They missed their schedule. Practice a lot of their baggage was still missing. A gordie. howe and bobby hall. We're ended up being woken up at four. Am by bellhop spring their bags to them. It was the team was very upset. They weren't happy with the rooms. They were not exactly to north. American standards Billy harris was upset at missing the practice. They did get a work then the following morning. Which was the day of game. Five of four game ply. Billy harris went back to his lineup. That had one game two. With one exception bruce mcgregor who had done an excellent job killing penalties he. He and paul henderson were superb. Penalty killers had caught a terrible flu bug in scandinavia and Was too sick to play so. Tom webster replaced him but game. Five was was a disaster for the canadians. You look at the score three to you. Think craig why are you saying that while jerry. Cheever's played one of the greatest. Maybe the greatest game of his career that night. He had the soviets talking to themselves. He was so brilliant. I don i do. Have jerry jones with me. And i'm very tired jerry jeepers. I don't know if you've ever had to suffer games and that the jury end the holman there for so long so early but was based on my view club and yet the only one you know we've opera seven days and time adjustment and all that doesn't factor definitely but we come back a little stronger in the third period just came to jerry for myself definitely. Yes they're an excellent team. And i think we're a little stale thinking that goes being super but outside achievers and line of ralph backstrom how and mark how nobody else for. Canada really showed up They seem to be struggling playing on the big ice Really mentally out of sorts and the soviets utterly dominated the action from from the from the time the first with the puck was dropped so for the first time in the series candidate was now trailing and making game six all the important because if they lost game six they could not win the series. They could the best they could do is tie it so it was a really disappointing effort. billy harris was also very concerned with two other players. He's in game five. Mike walton had led the whm scoring the year before and he he had not had a good training camp. He played well in games. One and two in his play then began to fade and his play was so terrible in game five he just simply given up and billy harris decide the benjamin frank maha which had played terrible as well and the big m had not had a good series and seventy two and he just seemed to be really rattled. emotionally playing the soviets. I have this right. The only had four on goal through the first periods of that game five. I think they had four shots in each period. Each period okay. It's still hardly anything to help backup. Cheever's who can only do so much sitting in the goal he can't he can't score them right exactly well. Interestingly enough in the final minute. Billy harris pulled. She tried to pull cheever's for six attacker and cheever's had almost made it to the canadian bench when the soviets broke out and he raced back into the canadian net and made one of the greatest saves. I've ever seen in my life but yeah it was I think jerry cheever's felt a little bit like general custard it on his final. He was facing a lot of shots at night. Usually thing about this series in moscow right because instead of traveling right like In in canada which is an expansive country. Right three or four thousand miles in width for quebec to vancouver right. You're literally just going back to the same location. Just an interesting dynamic. I wonder if that helps or hinders. Each of these. I guess at the end of the day. It's kind of draw per se when it comes to if there's any advantage aside from being the home of of the soviets nonetheless right that's obviously an advantage but still. Yeah a big advantage of the big advantage for the soviets because they were able to go home and you know most of them. Those players play in the soviet elite league which my understanding was based in moscow. So they were. They were with their friends and their families where canada was living out of a hotel in a very foreign environment to them. So game six. A verbal must win as you sort of set up right. I mean it's clearly you know what was a pretty decent start in this series Some close games seems to perhaps be going in the wrong direction. At least if you're looking at game five is any indication but if there was any Catching up so to speak. It doesn't seem like game. Six was the elixir team. Canada was well. Things went off the rails the day before a game six as well I wrote about this in my book. neither rick smith or brad sell would outside of just saying how disappointed they were. We're willing to talk about it Did so after game. Five terrible terrible effort by the team. an all important practice. The don't between games. Five and six and billy harris noticed Three of his players acting rather odd on the ice skated up to one of them I i know who it is. But i won't say that's not right Player was completely drunk. Three those three three of the players completely plastered on the ice harris was so upset. He actually walked off and walked the four miles from the list. Nikki ice palace back to the hotel. So what should have been desperately important practices fell apart. That is all about. I mean was it okay. People not taking it seriously era. I mean okay. Why why how you. You wonder The three players involved We're not three of candidates better performers. I'll say that. But i guess they decide to unwind with a few drinks the night before and just kept going so it was unbelievably Disappointing an particularly. You think back to the beginning of the series and rick smith told me those Just be the day of game one. They had a team meeting. And billy harris said among other things he said when when our plane lands in montreal come on on the way back from europe you going to be so grateful to be a canadian to be back home he said let's show our gratitude for our country Through this series and he also then to commented about how nineteen forty four. His father had put on a canadian uniform and traveled to europe. And of course i was. He landed on the beaches at normandy. His father died he goes. I'm not asking you to die for your country. But i'm asking you to wear that can eat uniform with the same pride and the same dedication as my father did and it just seemed to be starting to come off wheels. Were coming off the the car now with that with that terrible happening in the practice so we go into game six. Another big concern of the canadians with that. Outside of the practice was the referee. Viktor dombroski. He had refereed game three and his penalty calls was at times somewhat incomprehensible and in game six. I wrote about this very clearly in my book. I think dombrowski through the game. His the refereeing was so if it was simply incompetent he would have been raised. Both teams just like the polish referee. Who'd work while the poor could work to game support and five He was not particularly Good referee and both teams were angry. the canadians were engaged with dombroski. But anyway this go back to the game to start Valerie harlem off opened the score in the first couple of in the first minute rick lead overskated. The puck kharlamov grabbed. It moved in and beat. Cheever's the soviets and made it to nothing and we're dominating from there. The canadians began to play. Better and Regime we'll scored for candidate before the first period ended and make it to one Gordie howe playing fabulous hockey. I mean people were concerned. That gordy couldn't keep up. Well he certainly was. He tied the game with his third goal of the series. Make a to all The soviets made it three two but it was a superbly played games both teams playing really really well and then I think the incident that Kind of made it clear. What was Kinda sealed canada's space. Shall we say happened. Canada was killing a penalty to mark. How bruce mcgregor. And paul henderson. We're on broke there killing the penalty and They got henderson. Mcgregor got a break To one one on defense valerie basilica Gregor had the puck just before being hit by the silly of he passed off to henderson. Who made a great play but tretschok made a even better save the silly upended mcgregor with a one of the hardest hit checks. I've ever seen bruce macgregor literally cartwheeled over them and when when when mcgregor got up he was he was hurt. He was trying to get back to the canadian bench. He got tangled up with the silly of vasilyev started throwing punches and The bruce. Macgregor remembering the international world. The series was being played under international rules which among other things forbid fighting. Mcgregor didn't drop his gloves. He didn't throw a punch. He basically turtled vasily hammered a number of times before the referee's broke the officials broke it up now under the international rules. The the rule book Victor dombrowski the referee had already signaled a minor penalty to faciliate. That would have canceled out the penalty to mark how they would've played five side however in international hockey whoever instigates a fight his team serves ten minute shorthanded penalty. No matter how many goals you give up your short for ten full minutes and the and if you fight your thrown out of the game more valerie basilica one of the best defense in the world. So the canadians were thinking well. Facility was gonna. He's out of the game now The minor penalty will cancel the marquel penalty. When mark comes back on the ice. We got ten minutes. Oh almost a ten minute power. Play detroit and score and tie the game and team candidates. Seventy four had a much better power play than the previous team. Canada two years earlier instead dombrowski gave both players five minute roughing majors. It was unbelievable. Bruce macgregor the year before had six minutes and penalty minutes with the new york rangers for the whole season and he was raging on the screaming at dombroski pat stapleton. The team canada captain demanded an explanation based on the rule book. Dombroski wooden talk to him. And i think the canadians realized that that point that they weren't going to be allowed to win this game. I mean it sounds very mellow dramatic but i. I truly believe that. And i think i can. The penalty numbers. Canada had like thirty three minutes. Total call against them and the soviets only had nine by comparison right so this also interesting too because i so far in these series. it didn't seem like penalties. Both of these series. Seventy two seventy four. I guess what people sort of expect to be a much more. It's certainly this was if there was any game in either series. This is the one where penalties really added up and we're sort of fast and furious and even spill to the end of the game. Right where i it seems like the fighting continued at the end very much so so the it seemed like all the lights went out a team canada with that. Call bruce macgregor The soviet stretch their lead to five to two as the final seconds of the game ticked off Valerie harlem off and rick lee kinda started shoving and as soon as the buzzer went. Rick went for him. Dropped his gloves. Ages gave him a brutal beating. The tiny dying out now and hairs rare office. This is what favorite happened earlier. Do has we have no idea the harlem i. They've had a good going all night long. Paul schmear gun into it with borsum. Heil off don. Mcleod coming off the bench for canada's the backup goalie started pushing and shoving the syllabi goalie alexander. Sedona cough Harlem off left. The ice skated off the ice bleeding heavily from his face. They i in the post game. Press conference sobe coach. Logging argued that rick. Leach should be arrested valerie or billy harrison the same press conference that looked at logging instead. We'll valerie but still be arrested for his attack. On bruce macgregor it was it was it was very. It was really bad. There was a lot of calls in the canadian parliament. That rick should be sent home. Billy harris was asked if he was going to send ripley home and he said no. He said of all the guys on team. Canada rick has played his heart out on every shift every practice. He said he's played hockey to the very best of his ability. He knows he knows what he did was wrong today. And indeed the day after Rick lee went to the soviet practice and apologize face to face with valerie harlem from they shook hands but it was certainly a very ugly incident well and more shenanigans awaiting in game seven right. I if there's any last gasp with the canadians had this was the game to do it in but talk about the dynamics of this because now it doesn't seem to be the referees per se but do i have this right the timekeeper now questionable in game seven very much though so candidate now has to win. Game seven and eight to tie the series. They can't win if it's impossible for them to win it There were the canadian referee. Tom brown who would work game one or serie game. Two and ted disallow keep this in mind disallowed. The goal by vladimir petrov was working game seven and game seven with a much much cleaner game. Both teams were really flying. Play was going back and forth. This would have been one of the greatest game ralph backstrom ever played in his career. He ended the game with tools and assist And so with Minute thirty to go in the game. the scores tied for all candidate again to win and so time brown. A louis stop blew the whistle. Stop the play with one. Thirty two to go in game and also send you saw jerry. Cheever's go racing out of his net and starts smashing his stick against timekeepers glass and pointing at the scoreboard and a lot of other. A lot of the fans and journalists were pointing the scoreboard. Apparently the clock while the clock ran for four seconds after the whistle was blown from one. Thirty to down to one twenty eight. Tom brown the canadian referee says he looked up and saw the clock. Run from one thirty to one twenty eight. So we ordered the time keeper to put two seconds back on the clock The timekeeper said that wasn't possibly couldn't reset the clock so brown really upset at this point ordered two seconds on the penalty box clock and ordered the run. Those two seconds down before you start the The main clock again so canada. Do desperate at this point They're were still arguing with referee but two additional seconds and that is really important but brown would not put any more time on the clock with a to go jerry. Cheever's races out of the net. Paul henderson jumps on as the sex attacker on the ice for canada at this point is their best line through the series ralph backstrom in for mark and gordy howe. Bobby hall's at point. Jc trump at the other. Point and paul henderson soc- paul henderson is the sixth attacker. The sobe are trying to clear the puck out of the room zone. The canadians won't let them. They're all over tragic and with about two seconds to go in the game. Paul henderson got the puck. Bobby all all let it go inside of canada's goalkeeper. There's a loose puck. It's coming out to the blue line center canadian back. I was seconds to go. Here's bobby bobby racing just center. Pass the mark how he dumps it in on the russia where it's taken in the corner with food seconds to go on that. Can you start celebrating. The puck when in and out of the net The red light signaling goal is on and the green light signaling. The end of the game is on in north american rings. Those lights are synchronized. Once the green light flashes on the red light cannot be turn on the green light signals the end of the period watching the play in slow motion frame by frame. You actually see bobby hall. Shot go in and out of the net before the green light flashed on. Canada won the game. However tom brown the referee disallowed the goal argue arguing that the game ended before bobby hall shot went in the replay. Pretty clear tom brown was wrong. The canadians protested but That chances of getting the soviets to agree to count the goal where slim and none and talk after the game that Maybe the canadians would go home. And protest rick smith the that They none of the players wanted to really play game. Eight at that point They just wanted to go home. They were so sick and tired of being in moscow he he said we played horrible in game five. We got screwed by the referees and game six we played of super game in game seven got screwed by the time keeper and i guess by the wrath and it was really really disappointing. They couldn't have played any better and they deserve to win. That game. so at this point series was lost If they had won game seven both teams would have gone with their full number. One lineups for gay may as it was. Neither team did per gaming because the series was over at that point. Despite all that controversy it sounded like it was probably the more exciting and maybe even the best played game of not only the. I guess the the group of games in in in the soviet union in moscow but the series many would say i think i think that's a very fair statement tim Interestingly enough you know canadians always look at themselves or you are hockey players being really rough and tumble and tough. Physical players game. Seven was without doubt the cleanest game and there was a lot less hitting in it than the been seeing the previous two games and that seemed to be helping. The canadians perhaps more than the soviets because the canadians were really starting to really fly out there on. Especially on the big is so it was just. It was an absolute crushing blow though that When tom brown made the call he i mean he. He certainly believed he was right. I mean. I certainly don't want to impugn tom brown super at all. He truly believed he made the correct call. He didn't and he didn't have the you know they didn't have instant replay then if they had instant replay back then like we see today. Canada would've won that game. So uneventful set up. I guess for maybe just a anti-climactic game eight. What's the mood. You're saying the canadian sir. Almost felt like they didn't necessarily wanna play i. How did the soviets feel about a game. Eight at this point you know with the series basically defy the sided although again game seven. Pretty pretty darn exciting and dramatic. How does this series end. Well for the soviets didn't rest five of their best players including goaltender love tretschok for gate Alexander's the dell mccaw. Played in game. Eight rick. Smith and paul schmear didn't to canada's top defensive pairings who played for seven games. We're not dress for gained eight. Billy harris gave but mike walton back in the lineup Frank mahovlich fat. Oh game seven win into the lineup. there was one more still more controversy with the officiating. Joseph campa who nearly started a riot two years earlier in game eight was working gate and seventy four as well and i'll be honest him. I don't know how the wnba ever agreed to use him. But in the third period Kennedy was trailing was either three to one or three two two at this point and a lot of shadrach sliced open pat stapleton space with a stick in compel is simply skated away in pat stable. New of course put up with two years earlier. Just kinda lost it. He took his glove off Covered his hand and blood from his bleeding face skated over to compile and wipe the blood all over his face and yell. What the bleep is this Compelling you gave them a ten minute misconduct and then gave chadron of a five minute major for drawing blood but it really was anticlimactic It the the life had gone out a team canada. At that point. I mean they put in a decent effort Again they had originally thought about not playing but billy harrison employed upon them look re professionals. Were disappointed but you know you've got tv. Networks that are broadcasting this game. We've got fifteen thousand people who bought tickets where we gotta play but certainly the team was happy to get out of there As i mentioned earlier they had no desire to go into prague but the candidate had had had book the game with the czechoslovakia national team and the checks be team canada. And that game. Three two one with From the sounded from the media reports and listen to the game. I think canada put in perhaps a ten minute effort in the sixty minute game. They were lucky not to the lose by more so then as we can around the corner then how do you how do you put the immediate effect of what transpired in the series into play like how does that affect the what season that year. The canadian psyche. I guess that year relative to the seventy two euphoria and what are sort of the things that sort of came out of that longer term i know one of them was sort of the idea or this Continued sort of interest in having the soviets and the what kind of still somewhat commingled almost like an i guess a visitation kind of series in the to come what are sort of the lasting effects of this both near and longer term from this seventy four version Well i think in one hand it showed that the. What very credible league The soviet with the soviets were very definitely the better team but not by a lot. The w. h. a. Had some tru truly world-class talent. There were players On team canada. Seventy four who had never really received Perhaps the recognition they should have like people like ralph backstrom pat stapleton I mean these were really good. World-class hockey players. Mark how it played in the seventy two. Us olympic team sixteen. He showed everybody at nineteen. He was one of the best young players on the planet in his play against the soviets A number of players on team. Canada seventy four had career years following season. Bobby hall. At seventy seven goals andre lacroix had one hundred and six assists. He was only the second player in major in major league hockey history to have a hundred plus assists in a year And then you're absolutely right From there you saw the winnipeg jets and toronto. Toros the following year states or training camps in europe In seventy six seventy seven pig jets were invited to play in the investi hockey tournament in moscow in december and they represented the. What very credibly. The soviet national team toured the what in both nineteen seventy six. Seventy seven and nineteen seventy seven seventy eight. Incidentally i meeting ever between the soviet national hockey team and a north american club team. The new england whalers beat the soviets decisively. Five to two and the soviets had valerie harlem off alexander yakushev a lot of slob. Tretschok this this was the real thing in the wailers beat them. Decisively was known as the super series. Those follow on series they. They were called. The nhl had what they called super series. Seventy six with a couple of Augmented soviet club teams touring the The nhl and like i said the what. The following year took one step further inviting the soviet national team over the tour the deputy shape and overall but what with one exception Played very credibly in those games as well they. The message is getting across. The world. hockey association was a pretty darn good league so in some respects may be mission accomplished. even though it wasn't a victory it was still helping the. What in terms of its standing amongst the hockey aficionados in north. absolutely absolutely. So i i guess also to then just i'm just not as deeply enmeshed into hockey histories. Perhaps i i could and should be did this. Fascination ongoing with soviet teams and competition and still cold war esque right in the seventies for sure. did this open up or thaw if you will literally and figuratively the opportunity for soviet players to come to north america. Was that still years away or did this have any effect on the eventuality of more. Shall we say liberal talent influx from fell russian. A world of hockey. You obviously very very strong as was evidenced in the series. Yeah well we didn't see soviet players actually playing in north american toll. I believe it was about the very late eighties. And then not then do. We saw the fall of the soviet union. When the soviet teams did travel they had Various people with them make to make sure i guess they wouldn't defect so although certainly i think Any north american team would have loved to been able to Signing alexander yakovlev slumped right jack. That's for sure. So i mean ultimately How does i mean it seems like the. What comes out. pretty good in all of this. The despite them not lasting much longer than that. But i'm name. I'll put words in your mouth but did this helps or strengthen the w.h as hand when it came to eventual merger time. You know. I don't think the league itself was especially strong. A couple of pockets right off the four teams that wound up going to the. Nhl certainly did. Did make the leap. But did this have any effect. The i guess the relative success or at least standing i guess the professionalism of the what what was this an ingredient in the eventual quote successful Another topic for another time merger with the nhl or was just. I'm just curious as to what the effect to the a w a. in its ability in the end. I mean it's it doesn't seem to me like it. Hurt their prospects at all no That's a great question. I think in a way. I think it. They they were a real thorn in the side of the nhl and what started really upsetting. The nhl as time went on was nhl players. Stop jumping to the. What but then the what started reading the junior leagues and signing some of the top junior players. Wayne gretzky for example. His first professional season was in world hockey association and the nhl was spent a fortune fighting the w. h. a. And now they're losing top junior players. And so there was a real impetus on the nhl the end. This war has as quickly as possible and as you know is And save as much money as possible in many respects. This is it. This series obviously is a plank in the history of the world hockey association. Which obviously is the more obvious reason for us to be intrigued for. This'll show. But i guess i the one last question i guess i would ask. Is i mean you title this in your book. The forgotten series was that just kind of inevitable just for anything that could have been done in the wake of the massively successful in intriguing and dramatic seventy two series or were there other reasons why this is forgotten because of the w. h. as you know going away in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and perhaps the canadians maybe not willing to remember this one as much as seventy two. I mean why is it forgotten as much as perhaps it is. I think for two reasons first. It was the w. h. a. And it wasn't our best team. And i think from a canadian point of view. We didn't win. We didn't want to remember it though when you look at the results in so any fourteen candidates loss for type. Three your your first glance you're saying always the debacle. They were blown out and they weren't the games with one exception were well played. Competitive could have gone either way But we lost in the end. We lost canadians. But when it comes to hockey we are very I we wanna win. We expect to win anything less than when it's not acceptable. And while you know. I think team canada's seventy four exhibited you know behave themselves with the exception of the rick lee incident. They were cleaner than team canada. Seventy two people like billy harris were true. Gentlemen bobby hall was one and gordie. Howe were wonderful ambassadors for the sports when they were in europe. But we didn't win and in the end. That's what people want all right fascinating as always i always learn stuff and In this particular case a whole bunch. The w. h. j very much Really the backbone of the story considering that all the players for candidate came from w. h. a. May it rest in peace. And of course we're happy to celebrate it as we like to do on this show all kinds of stuff that people have forgotten or moved onto other lives or just simply simply terminated For whatever reasons. That's our little ones on the show. 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LOZ: Link To The Past With Jeff Cork - GMMF 50

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LOZ: Link To The Past With Jeff Cork - GMMF 50

"Working episode of Gays. My mom phone. I am Mike Overton. And who are the the chosen ones with me tonight he stuff and JD. He stole line Hero of us. Hey It's me Jeff Cork I don't have any Fun Games I would like to apologize. That's all right. We never know tecom Purpose Stephon decides to do it sometimes. He doesn't it whenever he does. It's always like a immediate fear of like a shit. I think the one thing that's never gotten easier. Yeah well episode fifty. That's a big deal. Yeah finally hit a and that's why you didn't skip any numbers along the way it kind of you know. Put your thumb on the scale a little bit more than fifty episodes at the time just just the regular episodes have numbers in the comic movie episodes and other random bonus scrap don't have numbers lifting all scale all right. Yeah there's over sixty published. Yeah just happened to be like three milestones all the same time where we have fifty episodes are almost a year and we just hit ten thousand outlets. Oh yeah well I know no you want so I was just like a perfect storm of like. Oh great this is going to be a great week boy pressures on so be blow it. That'd be great. Yeah thanks for calling. Jeff Jeff Yeah of course start saying do you WanNa say where things just like injure career ear. La Our podcast gets known. Yeah L. Perfect hot takes have about things that you shouldn't have hot takes about. So Oh Jeff. Do you want to say where you might know. You're from people might know me from. I worked at game informer so I've been there for thirteen in years. And then on a bunch of replays and Subaru plays in our podcast and all that stuff. So that's probably where people will be from if they don't know take care of us. No you're right. I should introduce a lovely game. We were playing. This was my pick and this is actually gave. My mom did find in many many years ago. We are talking about Linda. Zelda a link to the past. Oh He's a weird Like like turnabout with this game to noticed move roundabout thing because I during this week I ended up watching game informer super replay of like the best. It was the first super rape way which is how all of us start like like found out about each other and how this podcast ended up starting. Yes yes very strange. Turn of events weird is they're all from the other blood group based yeah. Yeah so we've met. I put an ad out. Hey who wants to start podcast with me. And then these are the suckers that said yes. I said yes. I need to rephrase that for the first three people that said yes. Yes that was my my yep suckers since then way for might be like unavailable one in week one of us has to be head soccer. That's terrible Oh God don't ever say that everyone's personal history. Three with link to the past. I played it because I'm the youngest here. I was actually born after the game. came out. Okay so the first Delta I played was Carino time at a friend's house side. You know everyone had friend with the sixty you either had the friend or you were the friend who had the in sixty four and that was the house you went to. Yes so I would go the friend's house to play Carina time. And then I got my own console and Scott's wind waker curve for Gamecube and I got the collector's edition disc with with like wasn't out. I think it was less than a one into the PASSAN. Oh korean-type matures mask on on. Say that this is one of the best things that has ever been put on a disk. Yeah I ended up at some point selling my Gamecube and I kept two games. I kept wind waker and that collectors. Because I was like this is either. This is going to be so valuable someday when nobody has has the originals l.. Or just I can't get rid of it even though it's got so many great games packed onto the this little cartridge. Yeah absolutely so. He's the operator. Time was your first one. What did you think going to like a sprite based Zelda game then was that a weird transition for you well? It was weird because when I played the desk house. Like I'm GonNa play these in order and so I played the first Zelda game right like this one's a little clunky Evan jumping into link to the past. I was like this is you. It's so easy to jump into it. So it's such a well-made gain that I was like I had no trouble with it whatsoever. Yeah I always thought I was going to have issues news. Whenever I went back to play old games I was going to have so many issues but some stuff is built so well that it? It really doesn't is really no no opposition. There like this game. I'd say like Super Uber Metro aid. So as you can just jump into it any point they still hold up. Yeah for sure. This game is still amazing. After all these years and I this is not got my first held a game. I remember playing the first when I was like two or three but I don't remember much but one game that really grabbed me as a kid. Grabs me me still amazing. Yeah my My history with this game is this is my first time playing it so really so I've got to have nice things and not nice things to say about this. Yeah yeah this is what you do. It's I got it when it first I came out because I am old and that two are like solely they share the sole responsibility for me. You draw we'll call it taking a hiatus from my first year of college because all linked to the past and street fighter two which was in on our on campus arcade And I absolutely love this game at the time and it's one of those that I would always try to go back to it And I find that a lot of the Zelda Games I think wind waker is one of them to where I find that so many Zelda Games are so great but that opening our four if you have done it before is such a slog and I find that like just going through the castle at the beginning of this game. I want to skip too far ahead of this or anything but like once once you get past it it opens up and it's a lot more fun but I feel like I have every time I've tried to get back into link to the past. I haven't made it past the rain sound effects stopping thing. I'm just like Oh God yeah I will have some nice things to say about it after like having completed for the first time since I think it came out and I will have some not nice things about it to say as well all right. I'm not the only one you're not alone so many that it's the to`real sex introduced to long first time. This is great. I try to play outer worlds the second time. I just don't want to get off this. I just want to get off this the plan here forever. Yes that opening cart sequence in skyrocketed. Oh God yeah just cut that guy's head off already. It's got him like three times and then I was like Danley Ma. That'll just start me. Excessive yeah what did you guys. All play for the EPA purposes of this podcast. What did you play on? I played on switch okay. I use a PS P.. I played a version of this game. We'll switch off the right answer. Yeah it's the best way to let the I'm sure that like if you're emulating or whatever like you've got access to save states and everything like that like I can't imagine playing this on Super Nintendo hardware. Unlike the whole diamond is playing this. I was just marveling at the fact that I beat this. In as far as I recall without like having a strategy guide or anything like I said it was one of the reasons I dropped out of college. Because I think that's all I did was stupid game. It took a long time. But and then also being able to rewind. When you're like I don't WanNa get hit by that boss us going in it is i? I can't imagine playing it any other way or just like falling through a floor like four dollars below and it's just like well that's GonNa be another ten minutes. I'll just exactly that's about the whole I wanNA fall through. It's the one on the left. Actually Oh my God everytime I got knocked off a ledge I wanted to ferry ready to lose its wings. That's funny I. I always thought that like playing games that way. I felt like I wouldn't enjoy them because I'd Alvin. All the challenges gone and now anytime I play a game like I just wish I could re once so yeah absolutely I remember like a long time ago I played earthbound again. I think at that time I was playing on a monitor. xbox and there is a button you could you have the battles can play themselves. You know you can automate those but also like a fast forward the relation so you go into a random encounter. Just hold down that weird white button that was on. The xbox controller will just like blast through that entire thing. I five seconds. It was transformative so but you shouldn't play unmonitored xbox and whatnot you know you should keep that attend to wants to charge you for fifteen times. We're not. We're not telling anyone to do it. But all the benefits no they were not lying. These games came twice on two different ways. I don't have access to anyone you remember that I had a doctor wants to was. He was taking adderall. When I I was in high school and the doctor was like okay? This is really good. It's really beneficial and you need this. Here's why and don't sell the medicine I was like I wasn't planning always good. Because you can get twenty dollars per pill and I was like okay go crush it up and snort it. You're GonNa take this crushing extorting. It is only like an immediate of and it's so good you love it. It's so easy it's so deep ever people sell it all the time. It's a great way to make like you make like six hundred dollars a week Eh. There's very little risk of getting caught and I was like dull. It's I wasn't thinking about selling it until you told me this. Yeah Yeah it's basically like having a job. It's better than having a child speaking open. I didn't have. I love this opening still like it. It doesn't bother me. I love going through the Dungeon. I still laugh when you knock the nights down into the darkness and they like they shake for a second they fall away. Yeah I I still love that. What's funny to me is that The rain is I don't know what it is. Something about. The rain is still so impressive. Despite how flight what Games are now now what I understand games to be now. I still look at that rain and I'm like Oh that looks so good. It's yeah the the thing with this is like at the time like I remember. The genesis came Amo before obviously and it just that hardware did not have a way to natively have transparencies and that kind of effect which you just take for granted Dow with Games but it being able to see like in the In the the ones you know. There's that weird factory you could see like vegetation candidates during the camera and then like that rain effect. It was so unbelievably cool at the time that this game came out. I think it's easy to forget that like those little touches. How amazing they were at the time? Oh yeah that's right. It's like I said I was even bored with this game came out. I still whenever I play it. I still think about it as if I was like seven. Yeah Ninety one. I can't believe the way I who's came to me. I feel like the graphics this game. They don't age. This game still looks really good. Even yeah no I mean that the glory of sixteen bit but I also Love Sixteen bit game. So that's that's part of it. Oh yeah absolutely wonder about that. Were like 'cause we played so many me playstation games on this show now earlier yes he has one games just they look like garbage age so poorly. I always think about I. I WANT TO RE master this game all those game to come back. I was thinking about. If you've remastered like a playstation game like unmastered back to sixteen bit how it would look and put it back into sixteen bit whatever look even better Nintendo went a little too crazy on the color scheme. Team here Links hair being purple rain. It's a choice I wanted to come back. I want I want. I wanted breath of the wild to have pink haired Lincoln it yeah long time to realize he had pink hair. beat the state more than once. Why would we just stay together? Weird normal to me like okay. Okay here and like a lilac hat and then like green eyebrows and red Poncho something. It's so weird. What do we gotta talk about? Is How bavin uncle. His uncle is here kid. I stubbed my toe here. Have a sore have a shield going this castle we might get killed. I am your Guardian all. But that's okay tagline. Ugly didn't it didn't occur to me now. Mike Seems Kinda like that. His his uncle is like part of the personal guard to protect Zelda. And yet they don't live within the castle they live like across the river short commute to work way. He wakes up every day at three and goes to the castle there was five private residences. And all I'm high rule the whole castle and only people that aren't allowed to live there king in Zelda down what else and like one wizard hazard that will inevitably betray them. We don't anyone in the way you can't do it anymore. But I remember I you structure book just digging through that instructed all all the all the majority of the story is since I mean they give you starting this game but all the back story is mostly in the book which is an age on nowadays Ca said that you miss I I. I'm one of those people where I say. Bring it on with digital. I get some people like collecting. I don't typically love collecting copies of games. I switch doesn't really well. We're almost all switch games. Have that reversible cover. That is really good art. But I won't just go out and buy a distance like Oh this is all right right but I do miss like the manuals that you would get if only I wish you They would get like a pdf or something he could read and you file with every game that you can download if you wanna you get like a really thick book and it'd be super exciting and then you start thumbing through it and you're like two thirds of this notes at the end where they clearly eh. We got thirty two pages. We've gotTA fill and I've got eighteen pages of material to work for being honest all of US notes sections. I'd like no one ever a US. Even if you had like cheats that you want to use you just borrowed a friend's copy of like Nintendo power or something. Yeah exactly those things congree I never did. I hope there is somebody out there. That was like they saw the notes section they thought though is like instruction like they had to take very specific notes. Save Zelda an underlining twice important what are the major themes of this game the brainstorming tree. What is an uncle? What is your role? uh-huh courage wisdom. I still think it's weird. How the whole rescue plan is hey? Let's go hide in this church a little bit away from the castle. They'll never find his here. Yeah exactly glacier workshops for a while while like that in this universe higher all is essentially like game of thrones or has that wall around the entire Kingdom MHM No one can get in and out only a duck and leave. Yeah if you need to go out of town for any business you've gotta get duct to carry you over the wall to another town. I mean that's one thing about l.. Well at least in the old ones where it's all one enclosed world. which I I still think I like? I still like a lot of. I was surprised. How much of this game is still in my head? Like I played almost his entire game without using a guy I everything was just. They're all that items in that chest like yeah. This is one of those days. Where are so much of my of my gaming has came from this game affecting it in changing me over the years and I still love it? So how many guns if you beat it over the years. Here's then I think seven or eight. I also used to play the role law and I would get to a certain point okay. I'm done now I you don't like some of the last couple of days and stop there Well there's like once you get to the dark world and you have to go to. Is it like the things that ice dungeon the ice ice palace where it's just just like stay turns into like a nightmare back and forth was definitely like another reminder. That ice temples still sock doc. I think of ice we can expand it. A little broader is Isis. No good in video games in real life either think. Ah We've played so far where I've enjoyed. Ice Levels is a dark forces and that's because within five minutes of getting to the ice level will give you shoes that completely gate the ice. Yeah perfect for a second. You know like with that. Yeah moving on to the first dungeon. I feel that does a very good job of explaining explaining to you how the game is going to go in Turkey and you very used to like the the dungeon design and just the way the game place I still even does it. Still feel still holds up very well with just kind of aspect with the prototype game like this is like if you wanted. If someone's like what games that I play for the sixteen Ziemba Really understands games that air of linked to the passes the perfect prototype of what a game should be from era mechanically. It's just a thirdly well-made well-made and like every dungeon you go into has that little you see areas that you can't get to yet but you know you'll be coming back to you later like such a thing in games. Yeah Nigga let us. It's completely representative of that era of games in that. There's also just like some some real tedious bullshit. In their in. In a lot of ways games are better now but this is this is great. This is like I know it's unpopulated. Like you can only say nice things about linked to the past as it is is like one of our most important treasures that we all have daming community tedious bullshit in in career over like which lighting the torches. Oh yeah that the entire time when it comes to the game so I honestly I kinda hate the damn bouncy things that like pulling you all across the map things are so annoying. You'll see enemies resume. You like idiot like Stephen Moron running. Don't you know you shouldn't run into that. And then five minutes later I'm doing the same thing and flying off the side. That's where you played the switch. And then you just rewind it instantly. No one has to try when he eh save states. There's something something went bad. I upload of my met. Yeah ask the right way for. That's the way I play any game. We do for the show. I play with safe states when possible just so I can speed it up but when you're playing overdoing it helps just makes things more enjoyable will say like they're it's things where people think like every game needs to be hard but just make it easy. I just WANNA play an easy game. Sometimes I just want to like have fun when playing video games. Yeah yeah things so I kind of had a question for everybody. Did anyone feel like the story of this kind. The resembled AQUAFINA halftime lot. In many ways I I. I'd say matures mask. I didn't really pay attention to any. Zelda storylines storylines majority mask is like when I got involved because they're all so simple basically the same thing place supposedly after an official time. I shouldn't even say supposedly inaccurate time when he loses. That's what leads links to the past material was defeated. I what is an out there. At the time I didn't exist exist yet. I've said this before kind of like like Mario is the same way whereas like they occasionally. They'll have a trick where it's like. Oh the bad guys and bowser. But you know it's always bowser houser. Yeah it's that simple story of like you know exactly what's going to happen in this game. You Know Zelda is going to get get nap. It's going to be by Gannon. He wants to try for us. You gotta take it from him yet. Jadu some bunch of Fetch Steph and put back together and then beat Gannon. That's every Zelda game and I'm fine with that I'm I like that. Some games like to twist it up and trick trick you will like breath of the wild ninety percent of the game is like you forget the Dannon exists but at the end of the game. You're still killing again. Yeah I'm O- I'm okay with your engine simple. Try for really in this game. I mean it's in the world but you're not collecting pieces or having anything to do with it other than you're just like the whole first half of the game. It's just a three pendency. You didn't get the Master Sword. They have the Betas which is basically collecting this force. What is not? They're not gold their crystals. I know different completely different shiny. Object you want to mention the feet the night Boston called nights. Yeah okay I still do. Enjoy that fight when they started dancing toward you. I don't know why I love. That's still convinced that that's a Typo always knew. That was a Typo that like like Miyamoto. Emoto made really early development in no way wanted to correct them on it are most sensitive armor and everyone was like. Yeah almost. That's that's right. Yeah that's what he wanted. Yeah so when you do stuff like that nobody else Ankari record. I still think when the best items in this game is a pay well at least one of my favorite I should say the Pegasus boots I I I feel I get him. I never stopped. I've always a kid every game. That has an item that impacts. How quickly you move? That's the best item. The help like Ganz now where it's like. Okay these Schuessel Yucel make you run faster. It's like I don't care about anything else. That's yeah I'M GONNA use this ninety percent of the time so the Pegasus boots are basically like the Air Jordans of the Zelda world. What is the? It's the shoes from Like Mike this is able to remember like Mike. How my God movie where the Kid got Michael Jackson's Michael Jordan shoes and a and so we brought this up? Let's talk about it's weird sub-genre because there was also that movie was sidekicks or site cake. Where the kid had like an imaginary relationship with Chuck Norris who would like help him out like remember the kid? We had to climb a rope in gym class and was running out of steam and then he looked over and saw Chuck Norris on the rope next to him gave him lack in the fuel in his tank that he needed to like propel himself upward. I don't recommend that movie. But it just seems like a strange strange artifact era and not GonNa cut my Mike off for a little bit here to ask Mike Advocacy. I wanted allows the champion. But it's the same story parody movies they did in Fairly odd parents as well where it was like the Crimson Chin cleft. The boy wonder it was just like you got like a Chin Chin strap that made him exactly like Gin Movies like that. I feel like the updated version would probably be like somebody running for mayor and like they we see Steven Seagal next to them or something. Thank God I can't remember his name. Now who's wrestler whose the Lost his mind became better. It became our governor in Minnesota. That's right now. He's Jesse the mind winter. Yeah I don't know why I always forget his name 'cause I can only think of him as either the body or the minds. I don't live in Minnesota. That's why I've been to miss me. And Jeff Lynne Minnesota so exactly. I can't stop thinking about him. Surprisingly the three days I spend it to the Dawn Jesse Ventura came up very little. All right. Speaking is one thing I thought was funny. Talking to Stephan beforehand. We were we. Were playing the game and he was having a problem with those stupid worms arms and I think for easy I've ever known as a kid and I went and fought him like Oh. This is annoying if not Harvard. Assist annoyed whereas Desert Palace those bosses. Yes yeah land. Mola's yeah yeah yeah never ever knew. They had a name good for me because they became a staple of the series and they were every game sense like hey he will love these worm things. Let's make Zelda relief like the series has a thing for enemies enemies that come at you from underneath and you could see like their shadow. I I don't know that I have ever had like a moment like I like this. This is neat and cool. You like doing this again. I guess I it's a one boss. You have to get through to law of all the other bosses the game like like every game has that jelly monster boss with the eyeball in it and you have to pull out with a hook shot. You beat them the same way every single. Yeah that even though I don't know maybe that you can calibrate whether or not you agree with my opinions. Generally speaking by if you like that kind of eyeball monster. That's the same in all Zelda Games. I liked that too Zelda essentially like in my mind Zelda and Mario have always been like the Flash Gordon of games to the monster of the week very simple very basic. You know what you're GONNA get but you're happy going into it. Yeah Yeah last is always going to save the day. I'm I'm cool with that. Yeah yeah the Burma. Monsters always have flashy tale. That you WANNA hit author built baby. You always know you know exactly how to beat the enemy. Yeah you'RE GONNA wind discharge that spin shot immediately if it has a a single big eyeball. That's not yep exactly bomb bomb if it's a monster he just got a jam your sword right up at Saint. They'll you're supposed to use use bombs on them too. I feel like like I didn't but I I think it's a tragedy when I watched speed runners played this game before I I just swung wildly same. I didn't can predict anything with his boss. One Desert Palace outside that I always thought was such a cool monster because of this instruction book are the San the San men men that come out of the sand they come after you remember instruction booklet. There's that cool image of him stabbing one. I remember the kids like to get to it. I'm like Oh cool but the image is like the context of that is they're just lying under the sand for like hours upon hours waiting for someone to walk by. Yeah what's their what's their goal. They're earth what everything wake they. They wake up at the same time as your uncle they go up at three. Am and they dig a hole all they sit and they wait. Twelve year olds going to walk through. Here we get flooded milk carrying nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine rupees bi-zonal. They always are. It's not hard to Max out rupees in this game. Because they don't I mean I thought also with like they just came to the good job of helping you get a lot of rupees early on because you needed for for the Zorro Flippers. Which I you know? I know that it was kind of Nice to it. Does a very good way of leading you from one dungeons and the next to one area in the next hour. I don't think that's just nostalgia. My game after I actually didn't like that part I got to the flippers. With like a hundred coins I needed still and I was like well. This is stupid. I hate this case did. Did you know about the room. The Best Room in any video game room is a room you walk into. And there's like I think like fifty rupees and you walk out the door and you walk back in and they respond because accounts like many dungeon with. Is this next to the sand temple. I believe Great Zora area. Oh Now I. I didn't hit that room. Yeah Play Games. Yeah we'd never talk talk about games together for like an hour and a half every week. We discussed the game but past that we'd never give each other advice. uh-huh we've said like at least six or seven times now that we really need to talk to each other gifts and stuff. There is a when we did dark forces. Mike had the the manual to the game and Stephan. I didn't know there was a manual so we didn't know what half the keys did. Yeah I think I spent a good like twenty minutes dark forces trying to figure out how to reload and Mike was like. Oh Yeah I have this this this code sheet that has oh yeah. There's a flashlight did you know there's a flashlight. No what I forgot about that or oh I kept thinking of dump things. What's the point of that old guy? Outstanding Sani loss in the dark cave like I've never understood why there's just this random old guy in a mountain I accuse me feels in adult and I remind those lyrics from Aqualung sitting on a park bench. Eyeing little girls with PAT intent. Bow in the East we just. We both have really need humor that we just like the throw out that like three people get. I'm basically saying he's he. Looks like a pervert. Moving along gives you a mirror by the man next to the signs that she she was signed. Does something good to me. He gives me laugh bottle so I had no problem with him. He's just again. He wakes up at three. AM everybody this. University is wake up degree Abbey and he goes to the sign he just sits and he waits next to a sign that addresses him specifically. Don't talk to next the sign. Just ignore him. Did He make that assigned to somebody else. Make It. I have many questions opens up his jacket. What do you buy? But yeah isn't that Ruben. Just go in and out of and I spent probably. I'm not even joking. All in all I think I spent thirty to forty minutes. Just walking into that room and getting up to a thousand REC- so I could buy a bunch of stuff. There are things by you. Have the bottle you can buy in Cat Griego village which I which I like and you get the second one right behind the guy in the in the bar Dr Again another part I felt the game is giving you the tools you need to succeed very. Well Yeah I love this game. I weigh like unlike any others. All you get two bottles within like the first hour of gameplay you can have two bottles which is health compared to like oak arena time or I will literally kill a man for a bottle right now he understands yeah. I'm kind of curious because is this is my obviously my first time playing this and I only use the guide when I was really stuck and it happened. Maybe WANNA say four or five times but but did anyone else like back in the day when they're playing this kind of figure out like when you come to a ferry fountain to toss things into it to upgrade them without a guys uh-huh despite the fact that I know what items you get from which fountain I still throw every single item in 'cause I always think I forgot one. Yeah that was geared eared. There and I'm like well you take the bow. No We'd take the memory. Okay sweet memory. I I played it. I remember sitting on every single item into do it so but just know. How did you find China? Think do you. You don't have to do the second right. The second one's optional. It gets you over Arrows to beat the game Yeah and some of the ferries to if I remember aren't they like she be Sir something like later on in the dark world though. I just remember. They weren't ferries later. They were like these weird creatures areas. These are still saying. I mean there's the purple chick and With all the Mazar Danes and whenever somebody says the scrolling in your life the health of purple chicken slash what. That's what. I always call them when I still. I don't know what they are other than. They replaced the chicken sprite with the purple looking thing that clutch hit and kills you if you hit them too many times though he wanted y'all to game the chicken try to kill you a yeah the chickens cuckoos see you. How do you pronounce that word? I don't know how to pronounce any good to dissolve. The game is Nobody is capable of speech so they never saved themselves as that should have been the entire point of the wild is just saying things for the first time so that people understood it. That'd be very helpful. There's one enemy that they say the name up and brought the wild house like oh I've been saying that for years. Yeah the stall phones or something. I always had stefos Okay I figured out though when we were replaying this I still fricken hate that. Damn Caterpillar Guy Golden up in the tower east favorite enemies. 'cause I know mine off the top my head annoying fight. I only say that enemy enemy has never changed in Zelda. It's the same one that's in every game and I hate him. Die The fucking hands. BURSAR is the most annoying enemy will ever come across any name. Yeah didn't bother me this time around but I when I played it before I hated most of my I time throughout with his game before seems annoying thing about them is that they're so easy to dodge in almost every game but then when it does get you. You're just like you have that feeling feeling of shame. We just missed A. There's like one spot where you have to drag a night statue onto a button. Oh and AH infuriating. Just one of the worst like all-time moments in Games is putting that stupid statue because then when you walk over the stat the button also make nick triggers it and then the staff. The statue doesn't do as he has to like. Backtrack a weird way. It's hard to articulate but it's not a natural like sequence of events in that stupid hand always coming it seems like it's always like four seconds to frequently where it's if you would like slow your roll a little bit. That would be fine. You know there's one down lately game where there's like two or three of them just like constant movement. Yeah Yeah they are definitely worse than this game than I'm sure Jeff back me up on this. They're worse than this game than they are even in the original. Oh yeah by far for sure their this is their worst. Yeah and this is their worst appearance and the whole sound like out like what the arguably one of the best games of the series. Well most important is all time the worst while master the worst enemy in gaming absolutely I had a I had a real bone of terror when playing this game is this week as I stood on one of the switches when you step on. There's like a half second delay where the game freezes unlike door opens. It shows you the door opening and I stepped the button as I saw the shadow on the button so I saw like the hand stopped in mid air above me for that second interest offered genuinely wanted. The most horrifying things happen. Yeah I don't get the Pegasus boots but it needs like a combat role where he could like somehow evade. I think it would also look very sweet. Just give him was known as a German helmet's spike on top of it. Yeah exactly a lot of solutions here. Just straight up from like like if I was if I was in Zelda. Every time I went into a dodge it'd be holding my sort straight over my head and all kinds. Yeah no he can do it because we need picks up the master sword. That's the motion. He immediately makes me great. That needs to be a thing like wherever the next Zelda is talking about like the world series you take other Mazar and hold it up and right at that moment of wall master comes down it just pales itself. That'd be phenomenal. That's the only appearance of a wall. NASCAR game total one Donald Show by even if they did that even if Tepi Sasha effective way to just put every player on edge for the next game they just show all on wall master in the beginning don't put in any dungeon. Yeah he'd be like maybe they can have like a style. Resin remake wall master chasing you around has done gone terrifying. I think I'd hate that actually Chased by a giant hand. It's funny too because that is the all time worst enemy and the enemy that I've always hated Zelda Games too and this is another one of those things that having never heard anyone pronounce it. I'll probably get it wrong. The Lick Lick the like like the thing that looks like a stack of pancakes. I believe eats. I hate those things. But they're completely manageable in this one like I remember them being way more annoying in the first Zelda But here they were just like no big deal. Server has a problem with whatsoever so those are easy to kill in this one compared to the first one Eight those just because the thought of what they would look like in real life. I guess like Barnacles but like more squirmy sea slug outlets like them. I just hate that. The image of them mm-hmm yeah. We're sure to win the ocean. Yes you look Virginia. As far as the I understand that there are there are true horrors that live within the waters soda. There's no ocean near me anywhere where he lost a friend. Kill me for all of our listeners. If you want to not sleep for like a week just look up. With the everyone I think knows what a horseshoe crabs life for the most part but no one knows what the underside of a horseshoe crab looks like. And it's it's not it's it's bad it's real bad. Yeah you flip one of those things over and it looks like an alien got blue blood too. Yeah they do they are eh one hundred percent. Yeah they've got ten answers and they've got blue blood and again my mouth right in the center of their bodies their terrifying creatures. It's like the opposite. Opposite of a stingray. Where if you flip that over you're like Oh that's a nice surprise? Get like what. Looks like a smile. In like Gyulai's yeah smile. Yeah I had a solid that fishes will a stingrays are assholes. Anyone that's ever gone. Fishing taught like escape artist. Or a like if you like trying to get out of his mouth in you they open. Their mouths is just like rows of teeth as far back as you can see typically basically my podcast is to make everyone afraid of the water is like all the other stuff is what really got a random story about a cigarette. I WANNA say real quick before we get back Zelda over at the Mall America the have the seaworld place. I've gone wrong down below and we were putting the singer as ones and my wife put her hand in the wrong way where you didn't have food. So he goes over. He goes to her hand. She has no food. He immediately turns around us a U-TURN and slashed water right on her and and then I thought it was great. 'cause she fed someone else he was he was pissy. He's like your animals to be a certain way. For pitting. Other way feeding me he was he was mad. saw the cats. They're just assholes. Yeah it was great but he knew he's like nope. Okay I hear about this every time talking about yeah. I was thinking you guys knew how to pronounce that I I. We Eddington when I when I saw that I was pronounced it this way. Okay so Mr Aid I I always find him with the bug catching net because for some reason somebody he told me. That's the way. The best way deflect the weapons. And I'm looking back I know you can. What am I doing person that does that? Yeah I saw that. You can can't do that but I never do that. I just for the novelty of it. It's actually not as effective as the sword. Okay so got like that way. I guess you could argue that. There's a wider swing on the bug catching net but right it's slower. Yeah so the sword is just the way to do it I I always do it for the novelty of it. I like the idea of like this. This wizard that's worked with Gannon for a hundred years and is that like evil always that's killed hundreds of millions. I kill him with a bug catching net. I think that's funny. I just thought to like the the criminals like beating a sub boss to death with like a twig. It's just like any it. His sprite is really confusing to. I don't know if you guys have had that experience where where you can look at it. Two different ways like It's the old hag or the beautiful maiden like the optical illusion where you're like. This is a guy with like a green bowl haircut haircut who's like making a Kissy face or the real phases underneath it but like once you see it the other way. It's hard to see it like the way that you saw before force very strange. It's funny as IC- completely different way because I always think his helmet is at like is his actual full face helmet. He's got that little like Upside down and like W on it and it looks like a seal smiling as seal that way that works to. He's like the horseback of worship test of characters mysterious character. I love him I always. I don't think it was until breath a while that I considered the fact that a line els our car since arts. I just always thought they were just guys. Oh Yeah Breath Awad came out. I was like Oh. They're like huge or things there was it was just the guy with like a weird thing on his head only in one spot in this game that you have to deal with them. Which is I just skip them because they do a lot of damage to you? You deal with EMI's like that place like at like every area has meek enemies. I love that Or across the Like he didn't like the different color models and stuff that are there scrape a I hate some of the enemies in this game. Sorry some of them are just downright like the The I don't know how to say those either. I think it's wrong. goes go down with the little green guys that you hit and they just life they just get pushed back in turn to stone. I so many times playing this game. I'll hit one of those things and little go right in front of a doorway and I have to wait for. It's a comeback life and get a hit it out of the way against the door. Yeah yeah that's a real problem. And they're only those enemies like the little green pickle pickle guy and then also the like the floating jellyfish thing. They're very fond of the whole. Like we're GONNA make the screen pixellated for a split second if you hit them when you're not supposed to. Oh are those the snot ones. That shock here. Yeah Yeah Barbara Law that we're talking about two different things. I are easily the berries. Yes the Joe Jellyfish Jellyfish things. Yeah but then there's also like like the guys that are like pickles. They look like a little green pickle in the hang out by the witches hot kind of in that area buzz blob multiple odd naturally over right. Now we're talking. I don't just know this heart you just referring to the tattoo on your chest. Okay take cheats. I was supposed to get a link tap on my shoulder as a wedding present. Me and my wife from your matching tattoos. But I'm worst. I don't have a tattoo you bring it up but yeah you mentioned that I think I think this is my favorite iteration of be Moses though be remind the statues issue lasers that you have all this. Is there the least annoying in this game than they are in any other game. Yeah but there's still a very annoying. Yeah but they're not like like in wind waker they're positioned in such a way where they'll shoot you off of a giant our the right. I mean the ocean now to spell this fell forty stories into the water. Act back up and we have to give a special shout out to the dark world tree with the eyeballs. That if you bump into it throws a bomb messed mouth saying yeah I guess. Yeah yeah another creature. I don't understand the anatomy of and also like because my first interaction with a tree and in a career like a really important story was an arena that the date uteri right. So are those like that same species as the dignitary or are they separate thing. It's the very smart question. The Baby Yoda's with no we know we know from other zone is that they become like the date. You sprouts outs because you gotta find those all over the place like every Zelda game past wind waker yeah so at some point do they get to the ground you spent late two hundred years being angry about the fact that they can move. This is a good question. I don't know a lot of a lot of questions about weird enemies and full of them. Yeah Yeah I think most of them can be some rose by. What is your deal with? You like how he's changed in the dark route says something in similar though. It's become a little little hobby monsters. Yeah dark world is so fricking cool like just the fact that you have is the same world and he just like you know a change things around. I mean you know I. I played this game and even to this day. It's still I think it's very impressive. I don't like the dark world much watch but I liked the world itself. I think is cool. Yeah well we should talk about getting the Master Sword. Because that's like a really fun point I. We're going to skip the master sword and we just kept going. Yeah who cares about that. It's like the most iconic video game weapon or anything. Yeah that's like it's great. You gotta like you can't just grab it. You have to get all the medals I write to uh-huh yeah you gotta run past all those asshole. The've guys I I hate this guy so much. I feel like a broken could record. But they are simply the worst. They are awful. We're GONNA hurt. Zelda enemy is like if a wal master picked up one of them dropped Rafia yes exactly. That'd be the absolute worst thing to happen to you. Get Out of your pocket like I Give you the Guy I'm GonNa take your rupees. You'll drop your learning or something and say God damn it. I didn't know I could lose that. The the thing is also so stupid about that. Part is that like those thieves will knock into you Shui Rupees. You can go in a room. You'll see the exact same. Hey what can I tell you like. Yeah that that really raises some questions to you. Like you'll be buying something from somebody like. How did you procure this exactly? Did you steal this. Did you beat an old man. Half halfway destined steelers empty bottles highly version of goodwill. They just get your stuff. Hey I got this thing for a dollar for dollar what are you saying. I like fake swords throughout that area to you for each and every one of them to it's chippy. So obvious you're going through and you're like well obviously that's not the master sword because it's five feet within the insurance for this dunce. Yeah I was like Oh this is a lot easier than I remember this being. I'm also love dumber than I used to walk ten feet and you're like hey of Asir source. The first time I played this game I do remember like Oh. It's right there I'm like oh where is it I do remember it. Irritated me the very first time. Now now I just I I just now it was just easy where to go but I it is cool when a little animals jumping around when you're going to grab it. Yeah still so epic. I had actually had the music on for this episode. I most of this game had music. Playing wasn't a podcast so I I'm proud of myself. I remember listening to music and game usually on when we play for the show it was a I think that was my favorite forest in Zelda game until breath of wild game out whereas that like fog over top of it It's just it looks so good. It's got the multiple. What's more transparency layers on it where it's the clouds going back and forth and I also appreciate that it's like it has the qualities of being amazed without doubt just being like look at this tablet and up twice and then go left once into some bullshit like that where it's like? Okay you can Kinda Suss out where you're supposed go and get there. I think I'm up beaten his game like six times now and I still get lost in that as every single time you need to enter from this side right. I was supposed to every single time. I answer from the side entrance. Yeah and I'm like Oh wait no. I should've just gone up the bottom because that's faster. Yup I thought I was going. I mean you could come in from the town. At least that's what's my brain same here. It's weird that there are three. Entrances of four entrances to that area by the end of the game is you you can go from either the the frontside you can go around the side and run to the lumberjack dudes. There's that are just constantly cutting down. Yeah offer a heart piece L.. For a heartbeat. You can go. At some point you can like open open up two separate entrances at the bond. There's three entrances all within like fifty feet of each other. But you have to go through like mildly different routes to get to any of them so odd Ah Very clearly like a popular tourist attraction as evidenced by all the fake swords. It's kind of like go in there and be a hero but it's too popular so they have to put like a giant rocked out in front of one of the entrances. Exactly at that happened to me when I was when I went to New York we went to the Ellis island but the harder was. It's just one giant border in front of the entrance we go. We didn't have the boots to lift them up. Sadly gloves sir. Aside the gloves yet I think it's boots in one of those games are now Nigga the heavy bits and let you walk underwater. Yeah yeah but it's like with the forest. The reason I mean the reason why you have doubled multiple passes a lot to do with the with the third dark world dungeon which I I hate that so much. I mean that's what it's all four because you had because that's a dungeon where you can enter different areas that you have to the skull would in order to get everything you need to do to Pete that dodge it definitely gives the game a sense of like the deck but it really makes it feel more open world than it actually is they. Just you can go into this dungeon for three several places I think in that. I think there's like four five entrances the Jairo castle throughout all of it. It just makes you feel way more open to me. I can pick which I want to go. I'M NOT GONNA go right in the front door. I'm going to sneak into the caverns shirt. There's only the two I think for high rocastle. There's you can you can walk in the the sanctuary in the back. You can go in the fall I thank you can. I think there's a way to get to the second balcony. Somehow I can't find them and then you can fall through a hole land in jail cell air. Yeah okay so really kind of gives you options. I don't know why you'd WanNa like realistically I don't know why your options to get into the castle to fall two stories into jails just planning perspective assuming zooming you hate it as Kollwitz. That's where the wall master hangs out the first time you meet them. We're talking about that earlier really. It's it's really later when there's like three of them it just through knowing I S. I still Avoi- usually a steph. This playthrough I always avoid that third dungeon like the very end. 'cause I don't use the the fire Rod at all except for two bosses don't care about fire I don't care about. The bills are always two pieces of equipment that just do not ever enter my inventory to be used on a regular the base. I mean I know. The Ice Rod can be useful. But I just don't like it. Yeah yeah perfect. I'm just I'm conservative. Live with anything in games and I. He's you anything that you guys all find. That has your magic. Yeah no so. That's what I like about this game when I appreciate it but at the same time I'm like I after I beat it I looked over over like a guy just to see if I missed anything. Oh I missed so much like it is possible to go through the game without that like that cloak of invisibility which is like. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's why all those like bullshit spiked balls. I could've walked right through them. That explains why was doing anything wrong. They're like that. The thing that has is your Bajic. Consumption you can miss the like a couple of sword upgrades mistake and you don't have to temper it. All the way uh-huh a lot of that stuff is optional. And if not communicated at all I guess unless you're like a maniac whose constantly going to the fortune teller and being like what do you got for me right now I I. It's guidance definitely not a detriment to the game. Because I mean if you can get through a game without having to get everything and that's pretty denies I think in Metro raid. You have to get pretty much everything other than missiles and energy. Yeah Yeah it's it's it's one of those things around Zelda it's like such a staple of that series where they won't tell you half of what's in the game you just added are expected to figure out figured out on your own like Like the majority mask. I know someone let didn't know about the the bighorn sword for the longest time and it's like Oh yeah it's it's so obvious when you think about it because they they're sort Smith's who tell. Oh you about the sewer. But you don't know there's like all this bs you have to go through to get it. Yeah breath a wild is definitely the most of obscure with their knowledge. Because I gave you nothing After they just want you to explore comes out like if you like that or not I guess it's I think those games for whatever reason just enjoyed exploring those worlds more than I enjoyed like trekking across the over world in linked to the past. I I appreciate the hell out of everything that this laid the foundation with but I just like the switching between the dark world and the light world is I find it's so tedious in the long run. You Know I. I really wish that the Magic Mirror would work one more time so you oh you mean like you didn't have to return to the same spot to go back from one to the other like it. They just did not enjoy moving around and exploring exploring. I think that's why I missed so much stuff. Yeah there's definitely a lot of parts in here. We're like you'd have to get the US the Magic Mirror to get to a little spot to get a little secret for our heart piece on. It's like I don't really feel like doing any of that. Just GonNa continue with the mission see for me in my memory so look I go here. I flipped out of the port right here and so I know it's interesting here different. Take on this game because for me I mean there's too much a solid which rose colored glasses. I can objectify correctly. I'm just like oh it's amazing. This is great. This is the perfect. Yeah other luxury of dropping out of college again to devote my unfortunately. Ah Can't do that the same way and then like if you if you sit there with a guide on your lap that takes all the fun of that. I wish there was like a half halfway spot like maybe if there there was an owl that would swooped down periodically and give you some kind of heads up on what to do. That'd be it'll I made the OWL mistake in this game of the instead of the you talk to that we talked to Zelda for the first time in the sanctuary I made the mistake the classic mistake of hitting no so have. I haven't done it as a game in like ten years. No I legitimately not even kidding. I hit rewind the no every every person that you rescue from the crystal gives you the same option. And it's like I was was so terrified I was gonna hit down accidentally before saying yes I understand. I don't know why I don't know why this game defaults to yes I understand whereas every the other silicate defaults to know. Yeah it's always like like it's gotta be just a joke by the developers of the point where they like some idiot out there is GonNa be hidden the in skipping through all his dialogue that we worked so hard on exactly the first game. Well this is the first game to have dialogue. I guess this is the first need to be. You mean to you and I go. You WanNa Pick No. Oh yeah you wanna read this again. Yeah before all that happened. They weren't they weren't mean-spirited yet. I WANNA say links of waking. I mean you ha they. It goes on links to waken you the first Zelda game introduces that carry the all right. Let's terms and conditions. Ambitions are set up in real life. He gets a score. All the way down is like do you understand defaults to know all IT experts up. No one would ever get anything done weeks. I have stuck in this live here three times. What was everybody's favorite dodged the dark world that I do want to ask Jerry? None of them. Okay I'll go first since I have one. I really liked the thieves town. I was GONNA say sounds cool dungeon. I love the fact that you go in there. You go and rescue this girl like okay. Yeah all the way out she just disappeared. Like what the hell but but I actually like it tells you it's like if you go out this way. The way it's worded is very strange and I don't know Lavalle is like a localization thing Yellowfin Japanese. It was way more clear. But it's just like I can't go out this way and so the game literally expects you to walk through the entire dungeon to find another exit. Yeah I yeah. The first time I play his game I remember I got so lawsuit. Those I didn't expect to have to go back to the one room that has only one inches exit it so it's like it it doesn't make any sense there's nothing including you into the fact. Can you need to do that. Is that the one where the you you have to like a bomb the ceiling. Yeah and take like she goes into the light and transforms into the boss. Yeah Yeah I think that's the best one the way it's meant to work. is you go into that. Dungeon you bombed the ceiling. Because he does that dungeon like right after you hear about a wine thief for the first time you like. Oh well this looks like a boss room but there's nothing in here and you go above it like okay. There's a floor that has light on that. I definitely need to bollock telegraph very well but just I. I regret like I still forget nine times when I play this game now. He's a go with her back to that room. Yeah I was wondering around like looking for another door for an hour. Yeah did you have a favorite dungeon. Joe Yeah well. It's is that one for sure I mean I can lie and say the ice one is I like to slip in fallen holes and you have to like I am torn do like the Globes that switch between the red and blue blocks you know. I like that mechanic kind live but that one has one of the most annoying sections based on that. Oh yeah where you have to push the blocks from both sides or you have to push the blocks from from the left side so that you can like push that block that falls down on the switch below and for some reason it took me a while like derive my brain around what it wanted me to do you and I just think sometimes plus which you know fucking sucks concise. We live in Minnesota though this. Yeah yeah it's the void all week long. I'm the man I'm so cold. It is freezing here. It's like thirty degrees. It's warm right now here but it just forty what I see people come around and calling so cold out here. I'm like you Minnesota. What are you surprised for? I always you know how making the joke in I think he was in the overload super. Replay I this is always stood out to me Terry said that it was like forty degrees outside and it was a perfect day. Hey for a walk and I was like what the fuck is wrong when he said that my brain was like it's eighty degrees here and that's like casual weather her. Yes as soon as they hit sixty degrees in Virginia beach. Everyone's wearing jackets grief understand whether she is going to be I e every year. It's it the temperature goes up late. December it's I swear to you. It's going to be eighty degrees on Christmas. The only reason people wear jackets. It's an Arizona's a fashion statement on desert. Nobody needs a jacket here at all I was. I need to move up north. I like wearing wearing jackets but I can't because it's so hot on the Minnesota you can wear a jacket I lear- I did when I went to Lebron three jackets that I'd never gets aware and I was like like these. Have to get used somehow backpack leash or my my soukous fifty percent jackets Do you WanNa talk about the Ice Palace though because it much Ah Dungeon annoys me slip sliding around for. I remember when I first saw the this the freezer guys that come out of the wall I it scared scared me with the first one I play is giving me freak me out but now just make you smile. I hit him with the fire it makes me happy every time I kill. Fuck you fire. Yeah are they related to the guys who pop out of the sand meet me. Resource like iced ghosts or something right but they still have that weird at. They don't look like any other enemy in any other Zelda game 'cause they got like weird all shaped head with the giant that was like rocks octa rocks on human bodies. Yeah I'm looking at a lear- lear- link between worlds also better at the redon. This day you keep those just just mummies. Yeah exactly hoped speaking of we were talking about earlier with health than anybody ever used. The the Greystone's race stones in the wall was a little half. Try for some or part of a drive for symbol on it. Oh yeah okay I never I remember before you now I hate him. 'cause I don't WanNa read anything hi I'm easily constantly. But some of them have like kind they kind of have some misinformation. It's just so vague to the point of being completely unhelpful. Yeah I still read every single one but I'll read. I'll be like okay. That doesn't explain anything. Like one of the early ones are like pull this switch. Okay Yeah I get that later. It's like she'll go into a room and find on those things and it's like Oh said solve this quest you must it not the first enemy but the second but not the enemy Mary. What does that mean? I don't read them. Just tell me what what is your purpose and who put you here always supposed to be. I think the guy that gives you the food's talking to you I remember exactly talk you through the stones. Let's go back to him. And then the game just be like. Yeah what what are you doing. Why are you vent? He's yelling into it every interest. What are you have is just being along? The boss of the Ice Palace sucked because because I did not have enough magic to melt. Tube is such a pain in the ass and I coulda cried it. It just was like I had to put the game away for a day. Because I'm like I just don't have me right now. There's a jellyfish monster in this and the Ice Palace. Bluster is just the jellyfish monster but frozen. Yeah a running out of things to do what can we do. You say boss over gets spit put a brain in a cube. Yep exactly cold stare I I also brought extra magic and I had the bat because I knew what was coming. That's from plains. Wainscott too much like his name. Because I like whatever. Zelda enemies are named something very obvious like they got lazy or they gave I love him in moulder. There's a guy there isn't many boss just named ball change her. It's just like you didn't even try. Yeah even come up with a knife. He's the sword Guy I think linked to waking does that more CA- they have so many many bosses in that game they do and kind of that game again. You have tried the three headed cerberus turtle monster that's made of stone. I was terrified of turtle rock going into this place because I always remember. We're having a terrible time with that. There's one pulse. You gotta hit these four torches and wondering to open the door very early on. I remember I remember when I was younger. I couldn't figure out that puzzle. My friends can figure out that puzzle. My friends were much older than me. I'm hanging out with a guy that was like six seven years older than me. He couldn't figure out either and looking back out. I was so worried what do do do do door open. I left them Mike while this was not hard at all anymore. Yeah that's the one with the tracks right where you Yep Tractor little things where you take something that you have a memory you make it so much worse than ever really is just my memory of it was so bad. The actuality of the saints too bad I felt like the similar thing the the clock tower section in the original Castle Vania. I built that up like I remember when I was a kid who was so impossible and then I went back to it a few years ago. I was like Oh this bad you just constantly move forward because if you back up than the Medusa heads get respond because NASA games were bullshit with breath. bioshock I think it was like twelve when bioshock game out or something and I actually. I actually returned it to game stop because was do scary. All right on. I got to the part where you turn around and the this is right behind you and I turned the game off and I was like now. I'm getting Advan or eighteen dollars like wow I was a little bit. This is not that bad. Yeah baal shock as Raider. 'em shouldn't have been a lot of Sir I mean. I never played any in redeems levels. I definitely wasn't planning. GTE three when that was a limit. Look at me. I'm fine shit. Dan And I still everytime G K through. I still remember the random. NBC's my my mother's my sister for some reason that stuck with me forever. I really WANNA put that game on the podcast but so long it would take awhile how I my favorite thing that I ever didn't mention this now. 'cause will never talk about the podcast fair thing. That game is just driving around with the operational and and it's so syringe just like we just going down the road like blowing crap up running over pedestrians wall like the most satisfying operas Blang. It's just like this is the weirdest driving off of a bridge. Landing in the water some singers belting out operatic we. You had mentioned a little bit earlier. We were talking about the boss. That's like cold stare vitriol the giants high ball with lots of little eyeballs. Yes creepy as hell look like I at at least when I was playing through this place where I'm like. This is creepy looking boss. And he totally CRIBS MR as lightning to. Yeah Yeah I mean. It's still a cool fight and I liked. The fight is creepy. I just like it. I don't know why I stood there. In every hit he gave me and just stood there and just hit a ended with move in the hit them that they came out to play it. But it's one of those boss fights where it's so obvious that it's like it's just fun but it's so obvious that you have to hit the eyeballs all. I know exactly what you do mmediately. Okay one of the strategies. I'm just reading that. I never even knew this or ever ever. Did you said you can use the Magic Cape or the cane burner which we haven't mentioned yet to walk right next to him. Just hit all the eyeballs. And just be safe. That's how I did it. I it sounds like this is the easiest boss a whole game. Jesus Christ. I can't believe it didn't know. Oh that play the game again. I kinda WanNa play this again just because I I just want to. I'm not going to. It's kind of my Go-to game on switch. Whatever I'm like traveling I cal- I have? I have like let's go. Ev have a three houses but whenever ever on like on a train or like on driving like somebody somebody else's driving and not just in the passenger seat. I should say well now and I just driving along which is really hard. 'cause there with the gyroscopic controls. It's just impossible. I have like breath wild and still unlike us boot up these old. SNES games have. You played link's awakening thing. The Not yet I I. I'm thinking I'm picking up for myself for Christmas actually. Yeah I won't say that like after playing. This is given be an even greater appreciation for link's awakening. I think that this is a great game but I think link's awakening in so many ways just better in my opinion. I think that this is like I linked to the past is there's very ambitious but it feels bloated and a lot of ways and I think just because of the limitations of link's awakening. Being on the gameboy originally. They really played to that system strengths of which I think overall make it a like a leaner more interesting interesting in more entertaining game overall. Yeah I was gonNA actually bring this up in my notes at the end but I actually do think that the dungeons and winks swaythling are a little bit more tighter than this one. Yeah and they're all like they all have like a gimmick that you can easily articulate whereas like these are kind of like Nah. It's like a swamp you know what I mean but there's not necessarily a mechanic that is unique to it like in the same way that links awakening has. Yeah it's like when they as soon as they give you an item it's like that stat whole old dungeon right there Just that item. You know what you're doing in this one it's like us everything exactly. This certainly established the the formula. But I think link's awakening just refined it at least the way that I enjoyed playing games. I think that it. It is just a better game for me. I tap install this like I the first game is I mean. It's still like a good game down that anyway but I say this is the first real wedded is out of the game. This is like developing that formula. That was the groundwork for everything. Yeah yeah absolutely Louis is about the podcast is we will play play like one of the best games of all time and then spend an hour and a half explaining how bad it is the end. We're like oh it's great. Everyone should play here. We're talking about like Goldeneye for like two hours and all of that was. This game is total garbage now. It's just it's so so bad it's so bad one of the best games of all time. You should absolutely plan. I agree with you until that last part that you just added. They're the quintessential Dick for the time game. But like is like I would. I would say if you did not play when they came out. irredeemably awful to go back to like just this. But that's just my opinion. Rose Not Ross. Game is tough. I mean I enjoyed it when we went back to it but no it can stay in the past. Yeah we're still holds up. I think it's a great game you you should play this first and then play link's awakening and you kind of see how there's like. It almost feels like a conversation. Asian between those two games in ways. Because they're things that are pulled directly from one you know from from link to the past due link's awakening and they're just kind of things that are turned on their heads heads concepts that were introduced in this game Yeah they're they're really great companions. I think I agree this is a must play. I feel like if he liked the series series or in general. I mean there's absolutely ill it's glasses. Oh my I always try to like like I know people that have never played. Zelda is that got into breath of the wild as their first one even like people who play twilight princes the first one and they're like oh play the other ones like that's a that's a big undertaking. 'cause they're all they're all very similar but also wildly different. Yeah CATTA staple the series. We're going to do these. All the stories are going to be the same but the gameplay going to be so completely left field out of nowhere. It's not going to me what you expected to me like. I would never recommend too because you can't you want people to play majority mask because that's one of the best but the fully appreciate that you have to play Corinne of time before you know because there's a lot of weird stuff that kind of correlates between those two you but like it's a big ask to say. Oh yeah this first. One is homework for the second one. I always have trouble time. What's your favorite even? I'm like well my favorites wind. Waker don't play that one week or is probably my favorite. But I don't know that it's like the best one is that like the last. The game is like forty hours long. The last twenty hours of just going island to everything. Yeah so much. There's a whole dungeon is like the classes it's like it's kind of like a gop dungeon in it whereas like ninety nine floors that you have to go through each one. I would never tell anybody to play that game but I love it. And it's my favorite right. It's designed by maniacs people. It's like me a motos like Oh face yeah. Give me your kid with a big like booger bubble. At the beginning. You knew that we did not like people. Yeah I'm still trying to find I have bought. I'm not even joking. I have bought three separate shirts with that lobster on from the beginning all three of them have been such bad quality. I'm still looking for good quality version of this year. News have to make myself. Yeah I don't know I haven't made it myself at this point all three auto really cheap halloween costume material. LIKE WHY CAN'T I. Why isn't this skirt? I love this shirt. Anything I just WANNA wear my lobster sir. Go down to the beach. and He'd lost her for can beach one dungeon. We haven't mentioned yet. Is the swamp house when you first get the hook shot I still I mean that was what I felt was well put together at least maybe I just. I can't tell if it's just me but I I like it. No Lovers I. I love time I always. I always think that the hook shot is the best like one of the best aspects of Zelda game which is strange because it shoot move. Okay true goodness like I feel realistically any game. We played loss planet. And I love that game because it's total garbage. I love inch got that grappling Hook. That is just awful every game of the gravity awful. I'd expect it to be awful in Zelda but for some reason it's one of the best aspects of Zelda game same titanfall to has a great value. Yeah I can't even really really good too. Yeah who says you had like the two grappling hooks which spider banning yourself around during man. I don't know how to say that. The spider original like the hook shot. Because it's got that kind of silly affect from this era. That was used a lot where it's like a bunch of little circles that can get stretched along the ball and chain guys got the same effect. You Know Yeah Oh not like a like a castle Vena whip kind of war just like they're there are. There are asking a lot of the player to fill in the dots. Yeah Yeah I love how every subsequent game has tried as things get more details. They have to ask themselves the question of what is this. Look like when you get like the hook shot later games. They always try to figure out how to add like all the chains is to have a whole. I'm GonNa work on the Boomerang. You guys work on Hook shot guys. I on tips on the master sort of trying to figure out what a like like looks like exactly you guys get all everyone get the level level. Three master's sword. Yes I always do. Is that the one where you throw the sword into the fountain. Es One you this can written sword a sword temporary inadvertent about the hell out of yes and at that moment okay I don't know if that's in. It doesn't really happen in any other game is majority mask right where you have that moment where you don't have your sword like you say how to play the game in a complete Eh. I guess the beginning of the first Zelda you don't have a sword right or yes yeah and then and yeah because you have to get the whole the whole beginning of the first others getting sort sort same with time but even oak arena time. You don't really fight anything Do you have a stick that you can use. Yeah play this game in Missouri. It's like you just steer left without a weapon and you have to learn like okay. I guess I'm GonNa be sticking with like the boomerang for a while but that doesn't always kill enemies that usually just like stuns them. So Am I gonNA waste my Eros. Am I gonNA use bombs like a maniac. I don't know if you need read. The the final sort of began that I'm not sure I know I always get it because I know where it is but I. I don't think you need to upgrade the saliva. They can just master sword. Yeah I think you can do it. That's the Nice thing about what am I talking about. Yeah Yeah it's really nice knowing all games to have the model of if you're GONNA add in a bunch much of extra stuff. Make it somehow affect the gameplay. I always think I enjoy completing I I. It's not even that I enjoy it. I'm just OCD. If I have a game you might have to complete it fully after one hundred percent. So if it's a game like this or I guess even the new tomb writers do it. Well we get get notes with the notes are usually well written or a little weird relic thing that you have to turn around like residential style explore it but assassin's since creepy is one that's just like okay. There's two hundred flags and they don't do anything I don't care about achievements. I just like I was like might be able to say I completely experienced a game. Everything that game. I went down Lorenzo. Well everything getting this game directly makes you stronger. Yeah absolutely owns the standard. Why we're getting away from that standard? I don't know how that needs to be the standard for everything and fun fact that I know only because the speaker of the magic hammers one of the most powerful weapons in this game. I WANNA say or close to it. I'm so glad you just said because I was just thinking about unsung hero in this game is the magic hammer of his. Like even even I did not know that it was the most powerful weapon in the game or whatever either I it is your. It's close. Yeah it is so satisfying to see those paves you if you get this. They can't you for so long finally like I know that I could do something with you and then you finally get the chance to do it. It's like the best feeling and and those guys the redhead all. Yeah yeah on their mid the ground. It's very good. I was like when I come across a room. That has like a very wide shaping. OCD so I like being able to patterns in them. I never knew a straight line I was GONNA like up to the right and then over into the land. Yeah now I could be wrong on this too but this is the. I don't remember this happening in the first Zelda or insult to where they're like cracks the walls that are just there to fake you out. Oh Yeah I don't think there were Indian up until this. The first game doesn't even have cracks in the wall. Right by a murmuring wrong. I think it does have cracks in the walls. I didn't yeah I think they're always bauble. Well it's been a long time stuff like the first one. I've never beaten the first one Sometimes they have cracks. Sometimes they don't it just depends on what dungeon urine. It's the worst thing though that see like a wall that has cracks in it. And you're like Here we go just doing my job but the bomb next to it. Is this doing Zelda game and then it just blows up and then there's no song and no hole so we have a deal game and you've you've broken this compact. It felt so I felt real dumb playing this game after after I beat it I watched I watched the super replay on it again. And there's a part where Dan Rick Day record is playing this game and he's like. Oh Yeah you can just run into those walls with the Pegasus boots on and I was like. What's why that I ah bombs at Dan Record of all people is the will take from a super replay from like like ten years ago? Oh Man I can't believe I am my head I was like well. That's like that's gotTa be at least twelve wasted bombs even collected over the course of the game easily. Five hundred balls streit's needs us. especially if you Max them out which is what I imagined mile from the ferry every where you throw rubies in. Oh I love that mechanic. Yeah it's great I even though there's no way I don't what was the starting count thirty. I think yeah. Yeah Ian M V thirty for thirty three years. I never got below twenty now now for some reason I need that to be like up in the Eighties Justin gays. I'm sure I could look this up later but like is what does it say when you throw the money in their doesn't give you an upgrade but it's like you're going to have a lucky day were bad luck or whatever what is what does that mean that. As far as I know that does is nothing. It's just a psych you out. They'll say you have bad luck or it's called the pond of happiness but it. I think it's just baird descru- with you maybe it has something to do with the rupee the council or something like that happiness. I think it's just a fortune cookie thing where it's just like a random okay but it doesn't offend. Yeah real life or anything no outside the game. You'll feel luckier. And therefore you'll have more confidence and south. Oh good good good. Lifted on bad luck I should. I don't does pathological things that again. It affects you in life but it does nothing okay. It's a pond of happiness is just there to screw with you in this game. I had I. I'm like Stu I don't usually feel the need one hundred percent anything that I don't have I hate it was A. This is a task. I did used to do for achievement but I always missed. Well I always miss is one item in this game Qena Burner and every I just I know it's on the mountain somewhere. Always skip it if the silver cane that gives you let you walk over spike or getting I can't I just don't care about my whole thing is really harmful to the fact that ideal podcast. Everybody yes it is a real pain in the ASS. I think we should move onto the last dungeon of this game. I do WanNa talk about Gannon Sour. A little bit but boy we've talked about. It's very intense. I this the one part of the game where I was like okay. I don't like this. I am not with this game and happened until a a big prime example of how fun this dungeon is is. You actually have to refight some of the bosses. If I'm remembering correctly and I I think What's the night one more arms night? Yeah has like all right. I beat him. And then there's all these chesapeake. I wonder what they're going to give me o bombs uh-huh yeah all tests. What was the first I guess I was GonNa ask what the I like. Mimic boss Mimic chess wasn't games. But I guess that comes from. DVD stoltze was the first one to do see this dark souls. Yeah do you mean dark cloud no joke. I don't I don't know the first one I mean and every h boss fight. When you redo these bosses I wanNA say are most is on ice? I mean so easy fight but then you add all oh great now. I applied away you stupid. Caterpillar was two holes inside the little area where you fight him to make an extra annoying. uh-huh neither yeah. That's fine is a real pain in the but save states it wasn't it didn't give me any trouble. You guys had rewind but I'd fight is because every time you fall and you go back up. He's healed and I did not have rewind or save state I can't imagine doing this dungeon without rewind. Yes so much that does is just ev alcott. Every single room is just a million ways to knock you off. Yeah Steve Away. It's designs that you have won the heart going into the boss off so skip majority of that doesn't if you go a certain path you can open certain doors. They give you extra keys their rooms that don't need to be open. That will just take a key. Oh that's nice go. You got to do more now like that doesn't set up just to screw with you when I was reading about it. I keep saying it's a boss but it's not because it's only I think four of the bosses that you fight throughout the game. Yeah Jaeger Hyman the three that we mentioned agonize and no they said that right take up none of us if even talked about the like wizard that helps you. No one's even attempted his name Shark. Shark Yeah I can't what do I always call the shots ASCA. Yeah Okay Snake. Was your real name John. Did you fight the night. You're saying caterpillars as you fight up. The of worm. And the Academic Agamemnon for he splits into three it. It's like the evil dead series clot to virata. They go real well for him to admit army dark al.. I always every time I fight all those guys. I expected to be every vase. I know it's not expect. I'm going to have to fight every single boss again. So it's kind of odd. It's kind of a weird. I'm thankful you don't I'm thinking man Game uh-huh to it just kind of weird like like I expect to find everything and then I don't and I've got this little weird feeling that I'm missing something or not. The ones that they picked. You couldn't put I've all in their fertile in their four three. Yeah yeah this is a pain in the ass bite. Yeah I like the mock fight Mozzarella bouncing spike all plus. He's just I say he's such a cool boss. He is just a moth not really anything like monstrous about him. Aside from the fact that he's just a moth that slightly lightly bigger than other markets. I mean that had nothing to do with it. Yeah I guess I really consider intent with insects and just assume they're all mindlessly is legal Oh and something I didn't I somehow I never noticed. I guess I just don't pay attention is when you kill egging Heimer. He beat at Gannon flies out of him and for some reason. I've played this game multiple times. Why go I guess? I don't pay attention I correct. Let me if I'm wrong. But what's the story. Part of that like is Gannon just flying back to like the temple where he was at originated at like. That's his thing and took over. I I I WANNA say is he wins. I mean I mean he wins Gannon one he got the Tri Force. He's and he's trying to connect to worlds worlds. I want to say because right when you first when you after you get the three pennants get the master sword. He's getting the last made in which Zelda to unlock and win but then you stop him was because it's kind of like A. It's Kinda like the Super Mario Brothers movie very was put the world's together. Yes for some reason. What are you talking about? There's no Super Mario Brothers. I love that movie. Envy's so weird in it better if it didn't say Mario Brothers in in front of it that's what makes it great. Those were. There's the bomb walking down the highway and people are like driving off the road freaking not now I love that Christ. It's as if people are treating it like a nuclear warhead. I love that and for me. This is my. This is my first time ever seen Gannon because I never played the two when I did play Zelda one I never saw I never saw anything at all to one backing times is this is this is my first. This is always when I think again and this is my Gannon to me. Is the Big Blue Pink. Yeah I would say is like almost identical goal to the one in the original game in a way. It's up for like now he's stomping and making part of the arena disappear. Exactly these bigger. I kinda like that. I'm I'm torn. I wish I wish him. I wish he got some story but I also kind of glad he didn't always I struggle with any Zelda Games. I wish I knew more but I'm Kinda glad I don't like I want to know if he was like a guy that Gannon just came across and possessed zest. There's a minute is there. See I've never gonna read it because I want to have some audio logs that he left around on the level on the exact audio logs for buyers who is. He's you Ryan starts talking about vocal cord parasites. I mean when you said audio firstly popped in my head with dead space. I used to do in the world's going to hell. I think I should record record something for diarrhea. That's your favorite audio log in again. Your comment the sexy came back to life after for. I cut off his arm. I don't know what to do. He's brought to Claude. He's coming after me kind of like that. You don't know who he is kind of like that. It's just a guy like a random stranger that is gaining doors possessed by game. There's any shows up in he. He's in link's awakening isn't he's a shadow. Ato of him. Spoiler alert is a dream. So it's this link dreaming so he's having he's fighting Heim well. This is A. This is Zola dreams creams are cannon. Yep everything's cannon in nothing matters nothing makes sense if something doesn't make sense that it's just a different timelines lied in everyone's okay with that. Yeah so lakes awakening you know like you said as a dream in link to the past there are people that have like a Mario painting anything on the wall. I never and you can go in there and pull the Paintin in one of the houses and you get rupees. Come out in all the years. I've done that. It wasn't until I was looking at the screen shots for this game where someone said Mario Opinion. I'm like I never noticed that He wears a red hat. He's gotta the game on his Ed. Hey we established. I don't pay no. This is this is one of those games that I just play like. I don't think I I don't read. I just playing go through memory like when early on when I first met my wife is the one game. I showed her this game and she didn't care about it. Of course she was another game. This the union like Aladdin hadn't and I remember sitting there playing on a PC and feel like this new. Okay that's nice. I like the idea of that. 'cause the brothers you run the low load ranch. Those are supposed to be like Mario Luigi as right. I kind of like the idea that everybody everybody in the universe just has a picture of those guys rather than Mario laws like even though they're they're such assholes and whenever you come across them. They're all these assholes in those games and yet everybody loves than it has a portrait of them on their wall. We all love the load load ranch guys. Keep either as you are. Linden Mario Luigi. We'll even their names are based off. Mario Luigi I think once Marlin and the others Lewin. There's something only. We had the Internet to look trying to find it all the way. Surprisingly hard to google things that you don't know the name of the no mailing mayland the girls. Yes okay. I think what he's looking at. We should go to questions. Comments and commercials commisson memory. That's what it is. Yeah well shall we sum up what happens at the end of the game nights idea very really been doing this. You're fifty episodes. I'm a little rusty. Maybe we could give the honors to just to get us out of here. Yeah you you fight Gannon and Then he dies and then it just like the classic Zelda like. Here's this weird one though because it's not really showing whatever one is up up to necessarily after you defeat them kind of but some people that does some a dozen. I Dunno it shows all the characters you've interacted with and like a weird the little like their job title in some instances and like other things like descriptive text. It's very strange and then at at the end the master sword is put away forever forever. You don't need anymore. Yeah I don I chose the king I mean. Can you never see throughout this entire game. Also there's the king just saying yeah that's the Kenya's like I can only wind way here. Is the king like an important in character. Yeah I don't know leaving spoil. Why King is an award Kennesaw so important in the wild kind of he's in the beginning insist they like he just shows up every now? That is a ghost to tell you to bang his daughter. I never got very. I'd never got very far breath. Awhile that's one of my regrets. If I bought that game for full price played it for a couple of hours was terrible at it. Never touch it again. I legitimately I love breath awhile so much from a mechanical standpoint is is one of the most impressive games I think of all time. Yeah the king in that game is so creepy to me. Where he's he's the goes to the king showing up being like? Hey Ain't Zelic cute. It's like yeah get it dude. Like this is literally destiny. You don't have to do. This is like I I liked it. But it's play a solid game where I still trying to look at those damages by the way I can't find. Oh okay. I only want to play Zelda game that takes place after link beat scanning. I don't I just knowing what happens because back. Well yeah he's just comes back but I don't know I kind of like a game where I say I want to say I want a game. We're Gannett wins. But that's definitely been done before. Yeah you're playing right now in the past one in In the end locker area because this is takes place in the in the official timeline. That wasn't created away from this game. I think where he wins game. Where like I always thought it'd be cool for the Houston Gateway see again? I'm saying I'm about to describe a game. There's just majority mass like some game. We're GONNA gain it doesn't matter and it's just a side story in his majority Minsk Inside Matt. I'm kind of curious as anyone even care error about the high rural historic. Because I I remember going to a con not too long ago and as walking in there and like half the people in the room or asleep cheap and they were reading the whole high roll historian that was the greatest thing. Yeah and people were sleeping. What that's so weird arch? That's that's like that's literally reading an encyclopedia. That's what it's doing. Basically reading a fake encyclopedia trying to read the similarity advise our oaken. I've tried that I have A. I have a book for Halo. That's like it's like describing all the the I'll be like the covenant forces and like all the weaponry and stuff basically breakdown of like engaged models in the art direction and everything. It's a really cool book. I would never or sit down and read that to simply be like well. Everyone knows that the covenants the lease if they have red armor. They're slightly better. They wanted to do that because they want to. Distinguish between the Class A AH. I think it's time for me to go on to question. Some podcast is essentially reading things you know about a game. That's one is. Yes so Martineau. All right well. I didn't get actually surprised. I didn't get a lot of comments by a couple from a few different groups. I thought he would have a lot to say and I have to pick and choose but I don't have that this week but hey and from. This is Ramesh. Zelda group I have from Casey Hurlbert said one of my favorite games from my childhood. Thank you sir I I just I agree. I just want to read it just because of from Kevin Past you said I accidentally ended a friendship. I borrowed my buddies cart and erased his file to make room for for a new one and not my proudest moment. Look what has happened to be able. That's on him but that's also kind of on his friend. I think if you loan something out I like that. You need to lay some ground rules down three slots though. Yeah call your friend and say hey I would like to save. Which one should I save over? Yeah is back late. Hey this one looks to be the farthest ahead. Let's delete this one is dead exactly. This says This is back before smartphones Jeff. I don't know if you remember but you had to walk into a separate room if you wanted to call somebody and just hope that they were home and it was awful. Oh they weren't home that you didn't know where they were and that was immediately. Start playing Zelda and delete the be damned in your that. He deleted all three of them to land on. Hey it's okay if I just format this greatly you bet I am on just the the wikki looking at every character from a choice mask I still cannot might out with these guys. Names are a since. I can't find them if anyone knows. That's listening they're going to be so annoyed. y'All get wasn't messages. I'll look it up later. Now they'll just be silently angry all right this one actually from the over blood group from Steve Loser Corbin Brothers. There's I found it warming. Brothers yeah I don't I don't know the first Orman and something else Norman. It was so worth the wait I listen to all right. He says this I consider it the greatest game of all time. Do you find that it's aspects graphics. Sound gameplay still hold up well enough to be compared to the masterpieces of today or is it something from a bygone era that should be measured of its own ilk. I think take every generation as a whole generation by itself. That's the way I see it. I would say held up two games for a lot longer than most games do I think it's great and amazing one of the best games ever but I got. I got some beautiful rose colored glasses on so very biased Mike. That's why I make sure to say it very many times in this episode. I didn't realize how bias I was so we played through this game and wanted. This is great talking you guys. You're like it's great but I'm like what so that's all I really real like. Oh it's not just me all right last thing. I want to read a from Ivan Williams said I gave up my game gear and a couple of games and trade for this and final fantasy three at a flea market upon first moving to Florida best trade. I ever made it a game store I agree. I Lo- final fantasy. Three awful favorite games reminding blind spots. I never ever page eventually on the show doing it because I love that game I I one I played was twelve. I hated apparently that was the wrong one to start with as everyone preceded later than At some point I went back and played most of seven and the only final fantasy game. I've beaten his final fantasy fifty breath. It's just not the one that I should have done. It's like that Like advice you're giving earlier like I really love this game but never play it. The kind of fantasy too is that way for sure. Yeah kind of like him. I told somebody now of all is like the Star Wars movie. I've seen his last year. I just instantly make everybody angry as the only one I really know or I think we should go onto shelf or box and Stephan since you have a bad opinion about wrong opinion about this game wrong or bad bad and I went to wrong. 'cause wrong was funnier. I suspect ExxonMobil to predict Mike. Yeah that one I'll try and make it quick but Yeah just a start and under the dungeon music really stuck out to me is just kinda felt like Some dude was Qripoli sitting in a corner playing official or something like I just didn't really like any of them. I was like they all sound the same but I'd like we did mention the music they can all at once. I listened to it. It's not to say there aren't good tunes so there's some good teams in the US. Just not all. Maybe I'm just spoiled by today's Zelda Games so yeah and links her threw me off the whole game. I just kept looking at it like this doesn't belong here. I felt like I was playing his his cousin. Billy or something and the done the dungeons I duNNo. They weren't particularly memorable for me. Me Either me Stephan like like just said I just I prefer links awakenings dungeons just smaller and tighter and like when you get a new item it just it just seems to be that like. That's the item for this dungeon. Get to it so I don't know let's just may allow the bosses were super tame especially the eyeball one. You could just run up to it literally hack and slash at it. The real challenge though I felt like word the actual dungeons themselves like fucking supporters. There's Delaware disappearing platforms that just disappear after a certain amount of time. The stupid hand that it comes down and get you. I forget its name about that. Yup So these dungeons made me feel like drinking from a fire hose and uh-huh if I played this kid I'm sure it'd be more tied to it as the ground adult Ain't nobody got time for any of that. So this game kind of fall short me. It was fun at times. But I'm going to put it in. My finale. Need to play one of your favorite games. We'll just bash terribly now. I resident evil one into. I'm sorry I just. I felt like I had to try to defend it in some way but it just didn't stick with your opinion. This is how we felt in resin. Evil one into soon silent medicine right now. Colonel Trigger having gone on the show. Yeah because you guys talk bad about Krieger. I I will be very heartbroken. I'll be on the show. I Games really. I do not see things but I'm always. I've never played current triggers. So we'll see what you jeff. Oh boy I I like a lot of elements about this game and I have such fond memories about it but like revisiting it now especially like 'cause I played the the remake of link's awakening fairly recently and it just Bam if I have enough room on my shelf for both this and Lisa weakening I think they are nice. Compliments one another if I had to pick one or the other. I'm afraid that this one goes in a box. And least weakening goes on the shelf which I understand is maybe not the rubric that you guys use but I think overall I I still enjoy. It's a really fun game but I think that man it's you gotta cut through a lot of the bullshit though there is plenty to go around. I think Ethic overall. I I really yeah. It's so tough. It's so tough because I hate the idea of being like get a load of me and my crazy opinions on one of the most beloved games of all time but like as I was playing it that was trying to be very conscious about like the feelings I was having and everything and it was like there. Were plenty of times where I'm like. This just feels more tedious than fonder. Interesting interesting and Not the good kind of tedious either. which you know there is a brand of that that I that I'm into but yeah I it kind of floats between the shelf in the box? If that's a valid thing f words say or Undecided if you need to the Times uh-huh huge like a game is leaning off the shelf for on top of Oxford. Still see it every now and then. Maybe I'll leave it on my show. Also people will walk by. They'll be like I again. That's one of the great and then they start talking to me. They'll be like dungeons you know. Not The best over world's sucked navigate. And you know it's not funny but whatever you heard it here first folks. Maybe the headline of daily wires tomorrow. Carl it's funny my favorite whatever. How about you still Kinda with Jeff on this on I I I've really? I've really enjoyed this game like I said it's all my switch and I. It's kind of my go to game whenever I'm travelling. I don't start a bigger game. Suck Nice little thing to play every now and then and he jump into it whenever I want even. If it's even if I leave like halfway done I can jump back into it a month later and feel fine. I have trouble doing that with a lot of games. But this is kind of so self explanatory that it's all right. I've really enjoyed wait. I love the music. I Love Zelda so I think I've got to put it on my shelf simple because Sigli furnace nausea in fact that eight is a really important game and I tend to really enjoy games. That are like Elvis store will importance like we played. The number was like most people. We will not like this but I appreciate that. It's it's the skeleton of things to come and so I liked playing link to the past and seeing where all the ideas came from. It's kind of my favorite is. Oh this is. This is where they started doing like the skeletons in the stall stall rose guy like that. I wouldn't really recommended mended unless it's guy so hard. I would recommend it to anybody unless they were kind of person to play a game multiple times even if they weren't really sure about Eh you sit down and play it like three times which is asking a lot. They'll start to pick up on all like intricacies of it that make it great. I don't know if I'd recommend anyone go back and play it just just a experience so it's going on my shelf but I wouldn't necessarily recommend anybody oh real quick addendum to yes. I agree with what you just said there. But like if you cannot put it on the switch. And you can't rewind it like there is not a person who's walked the Earth Evil enough to wish that upon them like play it without cable the rewind stuff because like at this point it. I can't imagine beating it now without that incapability anymore. Guy's a lucky. Yeah just bought a switch deficit definitely just did and of course all the items like like you did that. Well as well helps for being honest by a three hundred dollar console because you've got a game on facebook speaking of You know it is Christmas guys it is. The season isn't giving you a Mug. Does that count all right. It was a good buddy. I'm actually I didn't even order to bog. My wife did and then I am. I also guys up. Yeah that's all that happened. I couldn't I was using my mug that I had to explain to somebody WII log on it. What is now? It's my mother. It's it's from podcast I do. It's a lot it after explain a lot. Yeah all right. I'M GONNA go. I'm putting on the shelf definitely because all these naysayers out here just game as amazing to me. I still love it. I still feel that it's one of the best games ever made. One of my game fry is probably what it's not my top is. This is my top ten if not top three seal. But that's also a lot in aesthetic and I know that and I'm completely even though I'm saying all these big things I'm completely aware little asterix aid. I have rose colored glasses on. So I'm a little bit shook Mike and Surprised by this as as nothing centers tomato tomato but I I still think anyone should go back and play this game because I still think it's it's great. I mean. Again with the rewind feature play. Ah with the rewind. Enjoy it play. The Right Way Games are meant to be played nowadays where I I. Don't play anything for a challenge of I want to challenge dark souls our blood born again which I have beat but I'm I'm good. I don't like I I like things just to kind of go through. Enjoy a story play through the game you'll to say hey I saw now I understand it and then move onto the next game. Is that just my style even before for this podcast but yeah it's going on the show. Everyone should play if you get the chance. Played on your switch and he said a lot about low worst ever advertisement for this game we an hour and a half of explaining things wrong with it and in three wildly different opinions like Nintendo Nintendo. Next week hell okay. No are inch dude. You want introduced what game or playing next week yes. I'm not sure so I feel about yet. I am so excited. We're going got excited until I realized that doesn't say sons of liberty excited I got really excited. Regional we are we've got like a of Classic and Oh God you're not include in the classics. The year ender one of the also also one of the best games of all time. That's going to be a lot of US talking about how bad it is. Currently we're listening the S S M and sx SMS exits. It's not way I'm playing the. PS Two version of also on subsistence. I was I was sitting on that game for a while when an opening came up I was like Ooh I bet I can put two in there. We were GONNA do one on which I know I mean no one knows it. I still don't know what one is some weird. PS One game that you're like okay. I said said metal gear solid snake and immediately mel. You're solid I completely overlook And I went back. And I'm talking about sums liberty. I'm getting all excited. I'm like wait a second. This will say liberty while we need to. We also need to play a metal your game because the only one we played is it was fabulous and non Canon kept you waiting All right we got our logo. Your eight metal gear. It's it's GonNa be such a hard episode to replace me Peter. Someday I love steak Peter Since Jeff are awesome guests and I WANNA thank Jeff for being on the show and joining us in this madness. Yeah anytime and travels. I'll give it a shot off all those you can find him on his well regain former subscriber the game former game for he's on. Sometimes I like the like it the way the way court game of the show is the same way as is Lee. You got us to help you hosted on facebook story. I was so glad. I'm so glad we you did this like this was fun you coming on. I've been heard on everyone's opinion about this game because they're all raw but it was still great. I just I just leave. Smashed my expectations. Because I don't know I don't know what's going to happen next time. You ask a question. Of course I like what why today today at work I was talking with the guys like I got a four hour drive. I'm like you do you. Listen to podcasts. They just start Oli which is bringing the conversation and he and he described to the show and then Maye it made me laugh. I remember Steph and you tell me about your friend. It looked up spotify. Couldn't find it right away. I'm too I'm too judgy with people where I'll be talking to somebody and they'll say like oh I've got nothing until like do for the next hour and a half and it's like setting me up to plug the podcast but then I'm like I really want. This person is really like this. Everyone everyone everyone listening to good thing to grow. Everyone should listen. I ask but some of you. I don't like people and I just think you should understand that going i. Rei WanNA give a shout out to our awesome Intro Alpha. We've been using for fifty episodes now. Bobby Aka Mike Stony from his EP. Bite the bullet. The song is the cool kids squad. So please. You'll see a link in the show notes. You also will see a link to the game informer podcast in here. 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Tomb Raider 2 - GMMF 45

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Tomb Raider 2 - GMMF 45

"What an episode five of gained. My mom found. I am Mike Atherton Britain. And who's with me tonight. Not Indiana Jones Stewart US really sleep through there for the funny thing. I was talking about Indiana seen Richard and eh other special guests. I think you stumped struck you still there. Can you hear me now. Yeah Okay and our fourth guest Nicki Scott Before we get you for one thing I wanna say you beat. This has had a record fifty fifty six or fifty seven episode. Oh that we published and this has been the most issue had before we started that we started doing this. There's always there's always something like super tiny usually usually like. It's it just goes to show in twenty nine hundred. Technology still is far from perfect. Like all right. Let's just start a a simple a simple skype call. Everything's broken. What did they say baseball's even in the future? Nothing works that's accurate the for control. Sometimes all right. I'm still do you want to introduce a lovely game. We're GONNA be talking about tonight. Sure we are playing Lang. I think this was my pick as well. We're playing it will tomb raider to the nineteen ninety-seven game a the second series. That I really liked and then kind of lights and it was. I was really annoyed by it for a long time and now I love again. Yeah and now I finally and all there will be spoilers tomb raider two but that of matter because this game I ninety one years old. It's B. is. Nothing should be spoiled by now. Spoiler our aircraft is the Tomb Raider and a damn good looking one to well. This was the second game was like actually I. I remember reading the bike. The head developer for the first game left because for the second game. They're like they're like. Oh we got a sex or up a little bit and he was super against it. Zoe dislike walked out the next eight games that came out. They just I mean anybody who's over the age of let's say twenty five five remembers walking into like Ebay Games or game. Stop and at some point saying just a giant poster or more likely cardboard. Cut Out of work. Ross just like the most over the top check out. He's sexy polygons. I don't remember any of this video game. I've never played this game until this episode like I had somehow I had stayed away from all the original tomb raider which I was okay with that and this was the first one I ever really. I've ever played it at original. What does I do some episodes? I do have I do Kinda WanNa go over like what are for those that for us. It had played it before this episode came out. I Know Nikki is a big fan of this game. That's why joining US tonight. Yup Yup what was your. When did you first play this I actually played it back in nineteen ninety seven when it came out. I got it that year. pre-christmas how much did you get on the Asian or windows playstation. I got it from my brother. So is Zona old games that you had to go back and get on a floppy disk. You'd never would've gotten this on floppy way too lazy ihram. CD-ROM it has probably one's pretty early game start doing the CD-ROM hard. That's right around this time right. If only we head Google. I'm looking yeah probably about time. Because Sierra Star doing the Games on CD-ROM about mid nineties. I don't think they stopped doing the three and a half floppy. Let's face it. The games were getting more and more expansive for our younger viewers. Rome was the technology of the future disc but bigger and easier to lose ninety three dropped his scratched and it would. It'd be impossible to use forever. Yeah occurred actually you can play most is a great but then one level would be like super fucked up but this is my first time ever playing this game and I for the first level like you. Can you start off in China and that even the I'm sure tutorial Iowa saying fuck you STU A lot my no one else can hear me because I was just like the hell I mean for those. That haven't played this game. This is you take Rosen evil but you give jill the ability to jump over things half the jump over things and you still have the same type of controls I just yeah. I am not a fan of controls in the first place that much but you put. I can handle them when I'm in a horse situation fighting zombies. I cannot handle them on the situation with fricken bullets. sponges trying to kill me. Yeah yeah that was. That was a surprise when I first play to and I played one before I played too. That was a drastic deers tomb. Raider one the first level is eases you into the game tomb. Raider two they. You're you're supposed to be familiar with it. So you get you get a slight easy part and then can keep running. Keep doing keep racking up. You died just restart Redo. redo dying resear- renew by Burt Redo we do. It's like non stop until you get to the get passed all that gauntlet run. I felt bad because I was a kid and I was like I remember are enjoying it but I didn't remember if it was hard on. I remember thinking it was like it was it felt like a survival horror that definitely carried over to be playing it now. It still feels weirdly. The biggest rivalry game survival the scenes. I was in New York last week. Which is why I? Unfortunately I wasn't able to do the podcast that recorded early and then last week we all kind of had off to play this game and I was in New York and I just got so many messages from Mike and Steven that was just like fuck. You Fuck Yeah I I I was sitting here. I mean everything okay. I learned like by the time I finished the game. I understand and I I played. I did not understand when you run and jump from this game. You have to have enough space. You hit the jumping all you like. There's not enough space. That's nice. She's just GonNa fall. It doesn't matter the lineup. And then you gotta jump back and then whistle when the lineup. You can't even like Oh i WanNa step forward. No if you step forward you can take to Steph where you have to angle it step forward or back up to the edge hold down x dropped down. Hang from the bar pull yourself up turn around backup then jump okay. That is way too much work out to me. I got back from New York. I had not played this game until I got back and I was like Meighan stiffener. Aiding this let me let me hop in and give this a shot and see if As hard as I Harder than I remember being and I was like. Oh Yeah Yeah I remember the amount of if I if I described his game in one. What were to be clunky everything about? It is clunky yet at the time it was state of the art. Oh yeah yeah at the time. It was a literally a game changer. Also like not just gameplay wise but story wise it was one of the first needs to have like a massive amount of story in it like a ridiculous amount of story in it. There was story in the previous one. Well Laura is just a sexy finger at the from the time she she had an interesting back story fighting. Well Not Trinity Back in those days of a Florida narrow or whatever the the luminosity fly fighting the aluminum at at what happened to the movie. That was that was the movie l.. AFAM narrower in this game no assist Bartoli's yeah and then when you go later you fight the name era you have more background about this you might. I'm not talking about because I note a theon narrower like the Colt they have the votes circular designed like the dragon behind it. They like the gangsters. They're like the Bartoli interesting now. The temple monks are like different than the actual only henchmen that you're fighting. Who the FIAMMA narrow? They're definitely in this game. I I think that might have been like the very first. You know the opening semantic that starts off and there's like the warlord that's attacking the monks I i. I'm I'm positive. The BARTOLI is our members of the era. The BARTOLI's could have been just a fanatical family that got into that heard about the power hour of the dagger of John and wanted it for their own nefarious purposes. See I've up. They were like the leaders of the colts. The Colt is like they're interested. Well you have to remember that this tomb raider two came out. There was not much in back story to build on so we only knew that Laura Croft was of nobility ability to her father was Lord that after a crash and having to survive on her own. She got into an adventure lifestyle. which parents didn't necessarily approve of? She somehow inherited the home most likely because parents passed away but she her lifestyle wasn't necessarily proved of. We should say for the audience to by the way. This is the new games are like they've completely reset the cannon Better Yeah yes. So this is like completed or caused the elements are still there. She's still a Tomb Raider adventurer and her dad's still L. Dad but it's under different circumstances like they think it's supposed to explain her backstory. I think I mean this is much more like you know at least in this this game too. She's already kind of established. He's already knows what she's doing. If you're talking about the the REBOOT IT'S A. She's very much a brand new character in a terrible environment commitment. I was really sad. You didn't pick the reboot. 'cause I really WANNA play those again but I almost did but let's go old school with I almost see. Here's the thing is if I if I whenever I play any of the Games I always do this. I'll go back and I'll play like the two thousand thirteen tomb raider and then by the end of the week. I will have beaten all three to. I love the remake so botch and like there's just so fun to play I've never played past the first one of the reveal it. I can't stop if I play the first one. I have have to play all three. I can't stop myself. There's just so fun I was like. Oh let's go back and play the old wigs. I I remember them being funded different way and I mean slightly wrongfoot uh-huh well as you had mentioned earlier. The BARTOLI you're the bottle alley Their names right now. There are I mean I know they're supposed to be off you but to me they frigging cultists but this whole the whole story is it starts off with a cut scene in the beginning where it shows chose these months or fighting a dragon and there's a dagger they pull it out of the Dragon and the Dragon. The dragon dies because it eases deger inside of it to keep it alive. Yeah the game starts with saying that the game starts with like an actual like rendered cut scene. That's almost well. It looks really good for the time. It looks fantastic for time especially compared to like like the other ninety seven game. I would hope this up to Goldeneye. It blows seven. Yeah Wow yeah. Same year at this game blows that gave out water I mean cut scene wise just emmy graphics. Allies Jerrell rendered cut scene. That's real. This is late. Ninety seven starts vendor cut scene and it does like a silhouette thing at first and it looks so good like you can get away with that today probably if you had that light silhouettes. It'd be stylized but I until and then they show like a face Jason. It's like okay. Yeah this is ninety seven. I mean I didn't mind. I liked the opening. Cut Scene Amina has a story I could. I couldn't tell you what the story was really because I wasn't paying attention. I said Chinese fighters are trying to get the baggers yawning. Kill the Dragon. y'All here I mean what does even lead her originally on this because I know the first level of takes place in China near the Great Wall of China on the China. Okay okay. What brought her there? That's probably don't remember like why was she there. Don't don't explain that. She just searching for artifact happens to want this thing. There's really no explanation or other than that just throws growthy weight into it. I just thought I wasn't paying attention. Could be that. She's going after it because she's heard about about the powerful artifact and after the whole adventure with the ski on or or how are we wanNA pronounce it in Tomb Raider. One she wants is to make sure these powerful artifacts. Don't get into the hands of anyone who would abuse them along him fortunate glory. That's what I I thought it was working. That's what it probably started to ask for. But then again after the whole thing could have changed her tomb. I have no idea what you're talking argued about and you keep saying Zeon thing. It's the first day right. That's the first game. Yeah whatever I can like the car last alien. I'm from mass MacDill. Yeah I ski on so now I want. I want to say that that opening level. Who made her to fight the Tigers is that kind of how the first game is to the same type of opening level? The first Games opening level is pretty much an easy introduction. You're supposed to only deal with. He's the enemies you enter the caves in the first game and you're only enemies you really have to deal with our bats wolves and one one bear bear. You don't necessarily have to deal with because you can easily just avoid the bear if you WanNa go find all your secrets capable Ashoka secrets. So this was the game that I played a lot of secrets in the same. Yeah well we'll talk about. That played his first level. had been over a dozen times inside inside of sears recipe sears. When I would go in my mom be shopping at the mall and I remember seeing this opening level you know stupid? Tigers accept it even ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. Whenever they would've played us? I could never figure out how to get anywhere because I just didn't understand the geometry in front of you when I played this game twenty nine. I still don't understand what the fuck I was doing at didn't didn't change about that. In the late ninety s like Bengal tigers were still like on the verge of extinction right and murdering them wholesale also single tire comes out and the I think it's so funny. How different the combat isn't this game compared to the new games? 'cause you just you just like lay down on the fucking trigger. And she's got her dual pistols. And you just hear Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang and something falls over and instead it so so it has like like magic but sorry pistols those are bb gun. She's using there's anything else that's the only excuse. I have to why a guy can take over a hundred bullets from your epecial. Guns has to be be well there. It's as bad as anyone can tell you. The Italian assassin is a different breed of fasten. Pop Up like PCP combination what a half naked guy walks up to me with a wrench with noble armor. On he should not be able to take ten sex me me holding down the trigger. Her shooting fast at those make any sense. Eleven Claudio the first I assassin like hops out at like like you're standing completely. We still and he just misses you entirely. It's like unloads into a door. Oh you're talking about that opening scene. Yeah I was like what is he loads into this big door and you fight him and like little speech about how like Like oh like this isn't the right time for you to be here or something. And then kills himself just like what. But it's so it's like yeah. The animation was not to the level. That like you could tell they were. They were flying way way above their station in their mind it was like Claudio jumps out of the shadows and does a double backflip and kicks the gun of head but the game just looks like his character. Model flies flies past Lawrence slams into the doorway. I don't even remember this. It's so funny to me. You probably should not seen. I watched it it was it was probably hidden by the tears. This game. Lacrosse sexy line. hard me is that was just your way of trying to trying buying the doors for me. And he's like you. I vaguely remember this covers. Remember this happening but it certainly it. They immediately tried to make. Laura have like a sexy actually lied. which isn't sexy at all? It's just a weird line to say. And then he says something like a really weird Italian accent kind of Italian exit. Like uh-huh out with a Tommy Gun on my key ring okay. We're doing this. All of that was kind of a push for this game because even the voice actress in the second one is different from the first one and it was because she had more of like a sexy alluring voice. That's why they earn sped firstly. I do like the one from the first game voice better than the second one I think. The general consensus is that the first game is better. I'd like the General Consensus. I always C. Span's fans. Is that the first game was great and then they kinda like descend inequality into you get to Followers of the sword or chronicles Nichols maybe angel. Dirk News Not Angel Dark. This is when I think they hit rock bottom but I I. That's what I thought. Well I think with the with two. It was a lot more killing of humans. Yeah you kill it. Yeah I mean that's down on the killing of humans surprised to see I looked up some like information about the games and you kill more people. On the first tomb raider reboot the new tomb. Raider two which is pricing to me surprising. Because you kill a lot of people shifting you are mowing down armies mies literally mowing them down just just holding her Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang for me. It was a lot of Heidi but one thing I do. Want to mention In that first level. I didn't see this myself because I was rushing through that level people had mentioned. There's two dinosaurs efforts level. Yes a third secret. Yeah Fuck Yeah you a pair of of t rexes miserable with the handguns to. It's a little bit more goofy. The T. REX is we're one of the traditions. They kept in the first three tomb. Raider Games people. I think marveled at the T- at the T.. REX fight in the lost valley level in tomb. Raider one so they brought the T.. REX battle back in tomb. Raider two of course they add to it by make pulling a second one in there and then put another T.. REX battle in tomb. Raider three like the like the designers talking to each other speaking out man. How can we went up ourselves? How can we? What's what's a better fight than Finding won T rex. So it's like it. I got a so. They're like they all high five. I'd skip secrets all the time in this game. That's why you missed that. Look at my you take a look at my playthrough at the level which is up on Youtube. Bob I even say how the Hell did the second T.. Rex come from because terraced. No frigging way. This thing could have popped out of nowhere. I mean there's small old walls. This is a narrow canyon. Where's how did this t rex trump? That was just hiding behind. The first directly inspired the the I t rex because you run the gift you get the secret and the one pops up from the way from the direction you came from smart also. I like the second X.. Discomfort with the first he writes comfort. You're the Great Wall of China. Just everyone knows everyone walked to the end of the Great Wall and China. It's just just nothing but T.. Rex is as far as the eye can say. I love the original Games as much as I love. Love love the are- banks the originals had like a goofiness do the that you can't replace like the fact that you fight t rexes and later the game. You're finding like yet he uses that. I will came with the Eddie yet each fit but at some point this gave you take down a one man soap by distracting acting him. He almost runs into a great white shark and he like panics and turns and runs into the side of ship and that Kills Him and also sinks like. That's the thing that happens. You just like they had this almost like campy cheesy quality to them of early bonds or like Roger. Roger bore balance everything with the. I felt like there's a lot of cheese in this game like well. There's some Venice. I WANNA mention one last thing about China. Do you want to mention. It's like when you first run into the traps. And God. I had to really understand how this game works. I Oh man I was getting pissed. 'cause like you just so you have a lot of a lot of spikes at the backup move around so you're standing right on the edge you could run and jump. This is before I understood the jumping mechanic can in this game of if you don't have enough space to run she she ain't jumping period. Just accept that place. Oh definitely definitely used a walk-through for this one because walk through for every single go right go left jump up here you are you scream I could. I would have never figured out this game just like it is so I'm not. I'm not age anymore. Not In the world we all looked at poly gone. Looks a little what I can jump their past that point like I don't I can't I didn't see some of the jumped. I wouldn't have seen a lot of climbing because they're just not obvious to me that it is like the exact opposite of owning your hand like you'll walk into a room filled with boxes and it's like all right figured out. Some of these boxes moved some. Don't you'll figure it out like like you might be in here for an hour. You we have no idea. Why do the Nick Your how she hangs down this stuff? Yeah I I like I like the hanging hanging. I think it's funny that like. She makes a struggling noise when she pulls herself. She's like like like she does like triple back flips in the air ah but pulling herself up allege is just a little too much for her well Luna things that really showed me. What the Hell's get myself into when when you're doing the training little little thing in the opening round the mansion It tells you at one point. Don't jump forward. ASCITES do a side clip. 'CAUSE that makes more that's easier. I'm like what I should do. Four like link does not create a time. No you can have worse. You have like the Superman but it's I mean there have been there. Were time right. 'cause I mean one thing about this game became game has built in safe states. In the sense you can save wherever you want and load wherever you want. I mean mine I just hit a button. I saved unloaded automatically but it it it needs game is designed there are so many jumps in this game that you don't make the jump you manziel low because you're going to take five inskip back to where you you work like it. Does that honestly. Yeah not a lot of There's not a lot of instances of falling and dying. There are a lot of instances of falling and you end up like two floors is below your life while Paul this crap to get back up there there one time. That's where the computer players had the plus they have unlimited the save where unfortunately. PS Two players had only at certain points. You could save Nikki now. The first first one at certain points you could say but in the second one you could save wherever you wanted to say. Yeah you can say whatever I mean I just hit f. f one but yet. UPS When you could say whenever the game has built in this game almost needs kind of well not cable is. I'll say this game almost needs that kind of remake remake but they did remake the first game and We don't talk about it. I want to meet her aniversary. Yeah we don't talk. Well it's that's fine. It's just like they just replaced like all the boss battles with quick time events and I never played it very far in los better like say what you will about the anniversary edition. It definitely looks better. Better can't be worse than this game. Okay nothing IMEE Army Mad at like a good game for the time like you know if ninety seven this will probably I asked you pulled the list of all the Games that came out in ninety seven. I can see where this game with really good. You're playing it and twenty nineteen year playing for the first time like at least first few levels my opinion change. I got farther but when I was playing through Venice I was getting so mad at the game. START OFF One that when it you start off and then as you walk forward and Doberman runs runs that you might not be okay. Hold on the button. Takes longer than a show to kill doormen shoot the Doberman and then a guy was a wrench comes out after you and then I asked my understanding. Let's in this game. I like dope. Men's they don't just like run into the bark the entire time they're moving moving and they're they're animation is so like stilted that that was when I was like. Oh my God this is a word Correggio Bark Bark Bark Bark Bark Bark and like this PRI- like probably realistically like six frames of animation is like something out of like playing the game now. It actually like really Kinda Skilling it put me on edge every time I heard a dog. It's whatever I saw. Person was a couple of people. Washington freaked out the crap out of his. You come across some people like hidden in corners. It just jump when you guy. Did it tells you there are a lot of Parsons game or you can look into a little not seen anybody. You walk past a certain square and a climate of holes in the ground or wherever they come from and start coming after you like their tongue places in this game with that type of style. Oh my God I can watch like the gunfights from this out. There like a super cut of all invites in this game. I would love that. It's just so funny to me. How non stop firing something about it? It's like it's like a bad sci-fi movie you know where they'll have like a pistol. Somehow they fired sixty shots out of it like that level of funny to me. It's just like Bang Bang. Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang and then L.. Have you'll hear that for like three minutes. If you're in a room with people that you just heard nonstop firing. I know with talked about A. He said he would do a lot of like roll fully. I didn't I would just run. I would either back out and back it up. Just stand there and just trae blow that would just trade freely me. Oh no I never role if I roll or jump or anything. It didn't accomplish anything in her rolling around and facing the other direction. I didn't didn't understand how to roll and turnaround direction until the end of the game. Temple I and I figured it out. I was because you need them to as big J. Just jump into a backflip. I just constantly jumping in doing backflips in the air was gonNA play the game. You have to jump in your shoe endlessly whistling. Yeah like like realistically does that. Change anything about like your hit box of die faster because you take one on board in the air and you're done it over. Well no actually. When you're dumping side to side or back and forth the enemies search shooting at you or throwing weapons at you can't necessarily target on you eat? It makes it harder for them to target you though does work. Yeah I mean when you get like further in the game when you got a bunch of those knife throwers all aiming at you. You start jumping around being careful not out to jump into anything dangerous. You actually could see the knives. Go flying past where you were. And you're like they're trying to hit you you and you're still targeting one at a time. But they're trying all targeting you and they're throwing at where you were and they're not doing like everybody always told you do in space invaders. You should have been shooting at where I was going to be. You know so you know what you're going to be when you're spinning being in the Air Matrix jumping. It's great. I was just talking to somebody the other day though about Just yesterday I was like I think overwatch as diva and when I get out of the just jumped nonstop as if that doesn't anything I feel like that doesn't do anything but I just have to do it. That's that's how I feel. Raiders jumping all the time knowing that it's not really helping me just constantly jumping like I'll be in a room with no enemies and I'll just be doing backflips sense because it probably doesn't help but al and then when you come up a landlord offices like this is too much a venice like 'cause Venice's grow up in the three level but it was early on when you're when you get the speedboat and the first level and you're and you're going around God that took me for ever get the hang of what I was doing because I just kept getting gunned down by people. I I understand this game. Hugh big level like. That's the thing that these levels each level even with a guide where I'm reading what do took about an hour on average almost most bubbles. A few took me two hours but but mostly in our I mean The vehicles are the ultra. Nikki can probably talk to this fact that you've got drivable. Vehicles in this game was insane. A kid hopping on like a speedboat or later like the the snowmobile out just like holy. This ship says when I was getting out yeah as a kid it was like super for fun and neat to drive them. Even though like there wasn't that much room you didn't drive them that far. You're pretty much on that but like it was great but now you go back and it's so I cannot stand this like I'm just rationally of like you know every block at this point where you're on the snowmobile and it's like you're going down a hallway. That's about an inch wider than this nobile is paying off each wall. Oh Yeah as a kid. coolest should ever play clean out. Like why did they do this. Why would they couldn't have waited three more years? The question I have is. Why did you make me play? Play this game question. I had a lot. Yes we question is why did Claudio give his boss and give you idea where to go in Venice. Because that's GonNa miss like when a claudio. The assassin kills himself. Says I'll be like like for the fortune of Marco Bartoli and previous to that. I don't think Laura knew who mark over Tony was this tire game like the way the story works like little things happen that bring her to each area this little like like he's ring cyanide right so that way you can't question him so he doesn't give up any information but then as he's drinking the cyanide he tells you is bosses. It's like in a cap. America the I venture hey you'll hydro cyanide but yeah exactly like fucking don't say Hail Hydra don't be like don't take the cyanide. It'd be like the Nazis did this. We didn't know until you said that dude. Yeah well maybe that's the logic that hey if I just give the name. It doesn't necessarily tell you where you're going going to have to go not thinking. Hey maybe she might be able to hack my computer. I like to think that right before hands. Claudio is like benefits got cut or something. Thanks Joe the Totally hideout and it's not really that impressive but the level you like I guess fight Bartolo your. Is it not a whole lot of time an opera house at one point. Yeah it's It's like Venice Bartoli's hideout and then the Opera House which which I didn't understand why your in house. Well why I. Why is the Opera House? Here's a question for you. Was the Opera House Have Orchestra Orchestra pit filled with water. Is it just because like Venezuela or but there's no real will our house on the outskirts of innocent so but then there's like it's like the center of the opera pit or the extirpate. It doesn't doesn't have a floor either like it just goes under the half a swim underneath of that under the stage. And there's like a secret and something you have to do down there when you really flip a switch on the inside of that or something nothing but like was that part of the Opera House just having an open an open pool in the centre case you WanNa go go for a swim see. It's abandoned. Yeah but there's no floors though like they're no longer start start at six. It's the forest as it was thinking. They're like opener. Get rid of this floor. That'll stop the water. And I swear this game like there's a lot of women in this game to get more into in a little bit but like swimming didn't bother me in this game like bear somehow the jumpy terrible swimming stop not until you have to deal with the later levels what I would say like early on. This is one of those few exceptions to that that water. Temporal rule of like when you're underwater this game generally. It's pretty easy spray. Navigable ads shooting shooting. Yeah because you do get you have to do. I'll have to fight our poon gun assholes underwater urban gun. It's pretty like arbitrary doable and it adds definitely like another layer puzzles of the game. There's there's a lot of shit with that but trying to get some of this stuff. I want to mention like in the bar in the upper house was me mostly pretty standard. Like going around hits which Che's opened this door climb up stupid thing. I mean that it means a lot a puzzle solving in this game too like dad came full of platforming puzzles. And I don't make a lot offense. Yeah he just didn't make any sense because like I guess an abandoned building and you think the people who work there who are a part of like this hideout would have a better orchestration like oh hey I gotta the second floor man makes you hit the switch from the left and hit the switch on the right all right you guys GonNa jump up and down the ladder at some one point three eight. I think it's in the oil rake. There's a puzzle where like you have to yesterday. I know that one of the computer computers is fake that you could in opening like a door. Don't remember this. I think it's in the oil rig I think it's right before the submarine section Clayton because it was a secret. That's number it it was. It was a switch at the end of the hallway. So I can't remember if I can't remember. That opened up a singer. Oh you know what guide you opened up the like. It opened up a hats and the bottom of pool was a secret thing. Okay whenever the Guide said secret my eyes is wins in the next paragraph. So I I I never got great I just WanNa be I mean I like when I started playing this game mm-hmm I had all based on I need to be one mission every day for thirteen days and I gotta be five extra minutes. I had the whole thing mapped out. How playing this game? Because tried to beat a level. I'd have to go for a walk or just get away. But I couldn't play two levels in a row without exhausting playing this game. It's a it's a hefty game. Yes this is. Let's I'd say probably one of the one of the one of the hardest like stressful that we played on the show. Like reach for lengthwise game. Yeah I was there so I'll oh go ahead and there are some people have been Ab- done a no loads no meds all secrets. Run No meds. It's no match man. That's odd that sounds impossible. May It's been done. I'm Lee subscribed to a twitch channel. The one guy who who has done it and he is working on doing it for tomb. Raider three she's he's come close to doing it too. Tim Raider Three James Face like fifty fifty in terms of combat and puzzles like almost exact split on the area's here is just as many puzzles as there is comedy for because he didn't do the secrets but I did. I did too. I was and you have a question though before in Venice part anybody fight the big like mini boss loss at the end at the end of the level. You pretty much have to no you don't i. I ran into him and then I ran back and he d loaded. Hi I'd be loaded up with. Somebody wasn't there all of a sudden I'm like where do you go. And he was just gone. I didn't give them. I didn't shoot him and then I ran to the plane. You you suck up off guy with the two dogs you just skip. Yeah what the hell. He'll like Qiuping assaulting somehow. I didn't kill him 'cause they couldn't I kept trying to get loading. I kept dying so I said I'm on the crates and skip him and then when I got on the plane loaded the other guy and then jumping back to try to get to the plane. He killed that guy. He wasn't there anymore. I didn't. I don't know where you went. The Laura run to the room and he was like well. I did everything I can go home actually stumps into that. So that's for when you're in China if like right before that entire cut scene happens and the guy like attached actually from out of nowhere you have to fight a tiger right there but you don't have to agree if you just run straight through the door it'll load the cut scene and go to the next and the same in your. They actually gave them like a radius distance. That if you get out of it. He targets you and walks away so it actually forces forces you to confront fighting but if you just turn around and leave you can just go to the next level as long as you have the item so it really comes down to like Bartoli. He's not paying his guys nearly like they'll Garda door but if they have to move from that door there's act. I can't ask one quick question for all of you here. Yes because this was something I stumbled across when I was recording the Bartolo hideout level and then I had scrapped recording because I did something stupid and it just crashed on me. But how many of you grab the detonation key and blew up the building At the end of the Bartoli's hideout level to progress. I did I did what you had to do. You can actually avoid blowing it up. Fuck Him I'm GONNA blow it up. I did stumble out. I don't know if I saw the the one guy do it but I just I was client. I got the last secret in there. I climbed to the top. I'm like an and do this and yeah I could do it. I'm like I didn't know you could do that later. In the game you found a letter that was like dear Laura. Thank you for not blowing up. My House I appreciate this plan does not work out. I will need to live there. Wouldn't think that I like in the way that you get into the but she goes on the plane. Because that's what you're trying to in this whole partly you off titled She runs into the plane. dopey hit over the wrench or something. Yeah the game suddenly becomes like a slapstick. Was it comedy for a bit where it's Claude. It's it's Bartoli and Claudio Not Claudio. Fabrio really that his name is yeah. Yeah faubion is the name of the pilot. They're like like it's just like starting like he doesn't quite believe in the cold he's just was there for like the money and like Bartoli is punching the head being you don't believe is relief so fragile okay. I couldn't hear this. It was the headphones in. It was coming through so weak and there are no subtitles. Okay 'cause I I remember it but it's like it's GonNa remember the whole part of the game other than me being upset. Ah I don't remember any of this week and everyone's doing a bad Italian accent so yeah but yeah it just throw up. Three moment of the game is is total slapstick total quality. And then you run it and they hit you in the head with a wrench knock you out and it's like. Is this the same game where I just murdered tigers. There's and they had well they had to set up the other obligatory traditionally have in the first three tomb raider games the reclaim all your weapons levels. Oh that happens. And the other Games too yes into greater in Tomb Raider one and at the end of the Egypt levels. You get ambushed by not law and some goons and they take all of Laura's weapons weapons and so the next level not less mind you are reclaiming all your weapons you find your pistols first and then then have to beat each of the goons in turn to get the weapons back for my and play that game and uncharted and all three to remix. Sir I do. You want to play the remake but ended up and understand. What did they just kill her in the offshore rig shooter? 'cause they're their bond villains. Put her in a cell. I don't even lock isn't this isn't a switch to the cell door door in the room. He thinks it's like escape room. Ever like you go to imagine going to an escape from there like you have six hours to leave and you just like move a box and this switches right there. You're like I'm out. I mean this is. It's almost as dumb as a colonel trigger. When you're into South I love trigger? But they leave him with his sword. A sword I mean it's the same ideas like what what what are you in either. These are bad people shooter you also have to think of the other cliches cliches. You got the strong woman who's now disarmed. And you've got a bunch of guys. You got a woman today. Day Spectra to talk or today Spectra die forgotten the selling forgotten. We'll interrogate her later. For some reason what it was when you open the door the alarm goes off and they rod and I think I just jumped in the water and swim away or something stupid like that and the alarm was just continues to go off the and it was the offshore effort way too on the offshore rig is when I started to not hate this Kate O.. Starting to hang up the jumping starting to understand the control starting to understand that. Okay okay I need to make a good hundred two hundred feet between the guy. Just hold down the trigger and just shoot them and hopefully he'll be dead to me and I started. I was starting to like it and I wanna say is the offshore rig introduced the flame thrower guys or that. Yes in this chip. Okay Man I that is the worst enemy in this game. The player it's over. Don't offer if you can't get to water. I one time. I saved at a very inopportune. Take a hallway. He lit me. I had to use to med packs to run from the hallway to the pool. That was in the other room right across the hallway. And that's so much damage. I was taken from the fired. I was just like wow I screwed myself up I do not have. Let's stay that way you can get the M16'S IS I. I missed I missed miss. Some of the one thing. We haven't mentioned you can get a lot of secret guns earlier throughout the game and if you miss it it will. It will keep reoccurring certain points. They will try to give it to you if you still. We'll have got like I didn't get the grenade launcher until in Tibet somewhere. I kept missing it really. I think the first grade launch and it shows up is it's early Oscar. aww Yeah I skipped all the secrets. So yeah you can see all the time everything I really played just like resonable. I saved all my Amel as much as I could throughout this game for nothing. Oh I sixteen all the time. 'cause everything's I think I kept saving all my am. We'll save all my ammo kept saying that I beat the game when wh- what are we doing here see something in my brain when I get behind like the controls of arc off rubber just like going to fire nonstop. It'd be funny if she's just nonstop. Firing the gun is your very conservative. With amyloid. The health items usually engaged. And when I like the remix I'll use the bow and Arrow and I'll never fire a fucking shot out of my pistol but then why play little games like this. You like the entire time nonstop fire when you have weapons to have you know it's going to have limited ammo you don't want to necessarily use the the weapons that could run out of ammo especially early on a fool anymore you pull out them pistols that that have to shake has unless because or cost pistols were not always the fucking do building. USP's for for some reason. I think because of the actually agility movies. I don't say for some reason for those that reasons specifically people make that Laura Croft has always used the. US pays is actually annoyed me when the new games came out. Like oh we're sure do wielding pistols like dude. Do Building in the very beginning she had browning hi powers completely really different guns. I have noted talk about people like when the remix came out there like yeah. There's not even a H. U. S. P. in this game. It's like yeah. They didn't introduce that until the Angelina. Jolie movie I really don't know my unsought. I find that out on the show. I wasn't even talking about what type of makes sense. They were man Dan. I just never ran AMMO. Earnings is how the hellish not running out of AMMO. Well she keeps everything in her ponytail because when she falls something out of her backpack she always pulls out of her ponytail and also this is the first game to have the pony tail team. Didn't have it. This is the deal but ponytail physics Probably pop into we. Even when you're in this game came out the same year as Goldeneye 007 came came out the same year of a lot of games. I would rather have played this game by the way and why but What else came out in nineteen ninety-seven Catch Veins Unite Castleblaney. About in the future. All right when they say four didn't have hair physics as final fantasy seven have hair physics. Take that file. ESI seven like free two two levels where you're inside the oil rig and I do like the way that she leaves like I thought I was gonNA be like okay. This ain't so bad like I'm gonNA move onto to pet because as I was playing this game. Richard Talk about safety shocking. AMMO for the Eddie's I'm like okay and I had a I wasn't really looking at what level in order. I just knew that you had vanished. You had the offshore stuff you had Tibet it then the other crap but I didn't realize how fucking long they spend with the offshore then when you get into the ship I do like level rate before. We're kind of talking about where she gets on. She's talking to. I think you find she. I meet your first monk whose all beat up because they don't kill anyone in this in this area yeah and and then. She gets on the wetsuit and she I think she told him to turn the other way or something but he doesn't. If I remember correctly no changes in front of him throws his shoes. Yeah okay. I'm glad I'm not the only one that I thought. That was a little weird. Yeah she puts on the wetsuit and literally throws her own clothes out just like all all right like he's not your servant. He's he's actively helping you learn. I didn't understand that like it was just weird and then I do like though for like the rest at least the rest of the underwater stuff. She's wearing a wet suit. And that's Kinda we've mentioned earlier. She steals assault like jumped on us up with somebody or something perhaps the top of the solve and his orange. What did you be dead like? I don't know much about you. You're in the bottom of the ocean and and you're not wearing anything you're dead period like. I don't think there's any arriving in the situation. Let's see In the levels call eighty fathoms. Wasn't he offshore blowing up or did you just leave it. I can't remember okay. How many fathoms deep can a person survive? I'm going to guess one or not the U.. Okay so most. Most professional free divers go past four hundred feet. Let's see how much a single single fathom is watch is so a single fathom is oh a single fabulous only two yards or new and this guy. You weren't but now you know that's very surprising to me all right. Put that local. When you're swimming in the water was thick that was our starting to i? Yeah I liked that part. We if I follow the barrels and swim into the ship understand. was that the whole purpose. Why they were? There was for the record the Maria Doria. Yeah Yeah Okay. Yeah I was wondering. Why are these people stranded and underwater ship like some random places in a giant shifts? The that this is where I wanna say the recommend Maria Doria. It took me three hours to beat but I think it's because it was counting. It was calling this time and I paused the game got up and I think at one point or really played for a long time I feel really. Love is actually like really long to go through. Okay so Woah so forty-five a- GMS sounds like a lot and said don't sounds really deep. Right Forty fathoms is two hundred feet a little all over two hundred feet so she survived. This game would be. There's a lot of it'll be a lot more intimidating. If it was called two hundred forty feet but I I I feel like two hundred feet though. There's a lot I don't well it's less it's about half of what most professional free free divers feel comfortable comfortable but is that enough for a ship to be underwater. It's a chip can be if it's just like an underwater. It's underwater like I was like they're far. They had a stone so if if at any point as someone that lives near a harbour let me Let me just explain this to you and the entire listeners. If at any point any part of the ocean is a ball viewership. That's too deep. If you're an inch under it you've got rollins. Let let me ask you a question about that. Level did any of you notice how the ship mysteriously ends up right side up. Yes okay yeah. Yeah absolutely you're like about hit and then suddenly side of it everything is. I didn't notice that I didn't pay attention either. I can sharks sharks but they added in this level. That's some hit really hard. I don't think that was the case for parts so it looks up from what I got. It was upside down for part of it almost like it may be at split in half titanic Tantrum. I mean like Titanic Situation I mean when you look at the at the first two levels Like forty fathoms albums and record Maria. Doria yeah that part's upside down. And then when you get to the next parts it looks like it's nee seem like it looks like it either. It must have split almost two pictures of the Maria Doria and one is upside down. What is not so? Yeah must've okay. They just put up and I just put my place from a record. The Mario Dory yesterday I'm GonNa go ahead and say I liked. I really liked her wet suit outfits. That was really cool I did it. Wasn't he that was a neat. Look for her. It wasn't like is it I thought I know but I don't want to say we'll talk about that later every part but I I have. I know what you're going to say. Okay hold that thought you want to say with the recommend area Dory today they know about the artifact they're looking for this whole time then yes okay totally is in the flame of narrows. Didn't they bring like what I think there has to be like. Fifty succeed is looking for this piece of Shit. Yeah thank you the pumps and the ship work and also thank God. The ship was airtight. For some reason. Yeah in your arm with a wrench like we don't need guns spree Richmond. I got you know they need guns. They're water in that level. Yeah a lot of great the white sox. I guess. We're a Lotta sharks though. Yeah let's talk about It's not going underwater. Let's go into water physics. Actually I have like a bit of a fear of open water and so that level getting into that ship. I was legit panicking. I think you live the wrong place then water I live. You're a harbor at the beach. The beach by entire life. I mean I know what's out there. I was out there too but I live in Minnesota. I'm far away from the ocean. I'm good with that. I just don't like if you threw me into the middle of the ocean. I I wouldn't be happy about it. I don't think anybody would get thrown in. The middle of the ocean would be happy about that movie open waters and they're insane. Ain't I hate all them. People go out and they're like let's go diving and it's like go to hell my favorite like this is one of the dumbers like enemy setups. There's there's one of the secrets seekers which I think I actually did grab this. Well no I didn't grab this one. There's one where you go to a pool inside the recommended. Maria Dory that somehow upright who knows why and Dan you go in the pool and I think if you if you walk to a certain spot triggered the door. The door opens up as a diver. Just sitting there waiting for you. Yeah that's that's on level ten the deck. He's just biding his time. Don't get it off his boss. The guard duty mean Ohi the door Harpoon gun ready like like regardless whoever opened the door was getting a Harpoon at the face if it wasn't laura than it would have been like one of his fellow crewmates s and shooting underwater. Dick you. It's like I would put ten ten spears into a guy before he died. I'm like okay this is not and I would watch the sphere shooting at you and it would enjoy me one thing. I do gotta say about skimmed anybody. I actually played this with headphones or music. A lot of it was just a music on without speakers and it does a great job of playing certain sounds before enemy shows up like that. I really was a nice touch. Yeah this game is fantastic. Even just the background audio like the no the ships around you really. Well I would say this is the perfect balance of like music and atmosphere in the original Tomb Raider Games 'cause the original one. The first game was like fairly really quiet comparatively more backgrounds twenty story for that like when I was playing this My father-in-law was walking but was was here and he was walking around all of a sudden. I was trying to make a jump at one point. I kept dying. We just kept hearing. What's going on like a plan again? Don't worry about it just like headphones did We're just GONNA stop. I think it's a this is like a pro CD skit. Where he's like he's playing some game and all the noises of their like way over the top sexual? It's just like I don't hear it. Oh God 'cause they're all I died so much it's just like Oh you finished rated me and he's like what the fog came about swords got to have it all right but What else I want? Oh one thing like the flames are guys. I I hated. I just want to say that. A talking about actually with her fucking noise when she picks up a secret so like like I imagine they told the voice actresses like make a sexy noise always is when he picked up the secrets. Like oh I heard a couple of times every time you pick up a secret. Oh not a game. That's weird. I always always thought it was as what it is. Ken Stewart find went with a with a razor. Yeah every every guys Matt went mine went when it came the Laura Croft and ninety seven yes in two thousand nineteen. We have better. We better everybody in in nineteen ninety nine. Wanted Point de boobs that yeah well around I remember also about nineteen ninety. Seven was when the the PAT that one patch was out there for the computer version area. We had composed. You're like Oh God that was like one of the running jokes in the whole like for for forever with this series after that happens. Where every game supposedly you could find some cheat? You could put in to make Laura crop naked thank you. That was the beginning of the stupid Fr- like playground sheets that your friends will tell you. Yeah well probably at that. Time is very early. I mean when the when the Nude Raider Patch came big they combat it by with the computer. I'm in they might have snuck it into the the playstation version because people were try with the quote nude code which I had told my try it. I told him to dry it. And and tell you guys to try it. I didn't tell them what it was going to do. So he obviously looked to the upper found out about I was reading other codes. And I'm like Oh I saw there was a code for my Yup. I think that's what he's been trying to get me to do. But he blows up shelf just just for giggles illegals. That's really funny. I like all he went. devs find funny ways to be like fuck. Yeah that's their way of people and Ito's they bought they he they ought up or got off the rights for the Nude Raider website just so they could shut it down as really funny happened himself and they always. It's always great when like devs. Have wacky ways of speaking of that. I know a guy who has a by a website just to shut it out. Yes yes mention it here because my mission on the podcast everyone will go to it and the price will go up. But here's a website is like straight out of the nineteen nineties like early nineteen ninety s actually. Doesn't meet like code now because it absolutely absolutely. We'll give you a seizure. Glad he knew exactly where I was going with this. I I've been telling like I've talked to other web designers and showed them this website and look at. Let's look at this horrible thing. It's like the flashing pictures in the back and like every they used every animated Jif they could find and they're still updating. It still being updated today. Mike is open a whole box of worms with me. The GEO cities cities era. Yes yes I don't WanNa know where it is. I don't WanNa be tempted to look at it and I'm with my own issues. I don't need to the further them along or anything like that right now. This is a free my space website. That I I WANNA own and I don't know if I want to destroy it or if I need to like keep it out of posterity like it should belong like like so people know how far we've come when they I don't remember we're just how did you end up into bed after you find artifacts that the sixty other fool can find in there. Yeah there's a cut scene She once it's grabbing the item. I think she somehow gets an inflatable raft. Rides it up to the surface gets to the rig steals plane and flies off to Tibet and of course it runs out of fuel and she asked to crash land in Tibet. Okay so that's why the I bet you run around in the snow yacht with that. Actually this was a good level. Foothills this this is what I was really starting to change. I was like oh I don't hate this game anymore. You're slowing asshole puts on the show but I don't hate nothing much. I like that You find a snow. Leopard cubs delivers in that area. And it's like an assist the credit I liked. I liked it I I mean I thought I didn't have a problem fighting to meet. It was really cool. Had Snow Leopards and Tibet was fun. They had a decent amount of enemies. There weren't too many you you get the snow mobile where she meant which. I didn't mind the way it handled. Just when we had I had noticed is like we're so used to grant auto and triangle to get on off something. It doesn't work in this game. You hold down jump and press left to get off something. I think it's very closely I did but I mean so it's like it. It took A. It wasn't like I'd like to Smallville you can do a lot of jumps and you could boost it like I actually really enjoyed Abedin. Foothill fight you fight a few guys. You're in the air and you fight the snow leopard but it was never. I never felt overwhelmed as I didn't other other parts of this game I felt I was comfortable with enemy. Dallas fight. Well how do you feel about Two levels later in the category was when suddenly you're fighting fucking yetis. Well we'll get to that. But I did like the puzzles with the snowmobiles but they had to jump off things and jump up and I really did like this is when you get by classic a bomber jacket or two. Oh yes there for her like. That's the part that was the dumbest like out feel like I like jacket but she still wearing short shorts. Yes it does answer. It's like you hand. Yeah the author makes more sense in a rise of the Tomb Raider when she's wearing pants with it but I understand but I'm still really you couldn't have put ads on her for some reason. I just couldn't do it. She's always always moving so she doesn't have to worry about our legs go. It's always like jumping and I mean how are you. Give her a jacket it but you don't give her any pay. I live in Minnesota if I went out with no pants in the cold weather I'd be a little dead. I mean I won't be okay At all I got to say this is a great level. What it was awesome and in the parque monastery the best level of the game? I'll be with you on that one. That was stupid unless you're still and it won't be fun. Yeah Okay Yeah. Yeah Hi I was reading I did shoot 'em wants to see what would happen in the evident I as the spears pointed towards me. I hit load real fast. I didn't shoot him. What happens They hurt if you shoot one they all turn on your really Leeway of maybe one shot if you yourself always you want wants in. They're like hey what do you do that again. In that level they kill all the bad guys for you to kill Bartoli attention and there's a lot of parts in that game where you start here in fighting going to stand here in the back and just wait until whoever's alive and I was killed there's any left and they you're a really good job with their spears killing them a day. You're really good at it. I love the look of the barking like the snow. Leopard skin vast or shirt. I something about their look is really dig. They were cool relentlessly orange armbands and belts and the red parachute pants. The aim were it. It was just a fun level and it made sense it made sense of the puzzles. You were doing it made you had to get a lot of items in that level though like I will say that that would have been a pitch. If I didn't have a guide I would easily miss one of the prayer beads and not been able to get through the final door easily. 'cause complicated stuff but I do love the fact that you have other enemies fighting your enemies for you. Yeah big chunks of a game big chunks of enemy of my enemy is my friend but we're not even a story of every Youtube Raider game like they. They don't even care what you're doing their temple. They don't care that you're trying to get their treasurer. Thank you know. You're trying to unlock a catacomb home to do something. But they don't even care like none of that matters to them. You GotTa go kill other Yetis. And they're like. Hey we like those yet. He's later they don't know about the indies. Aren't here yet. That's next level. I surely. Surely they know about beginning they have to know about the well. The Tabet -mongst it hold. Hold your heads in the Tibetan. Monks did hold yet. He's in Hi revere I might not get really really. Yeah you are real. How great would it be? If like the way we found out about Yet as we just saw a picture of the Dalai lava with his arm. Around a Yeti giggling. That's that's how we all learned. It was only one part of that. Liberally aided was Nikki. I said at that point I'd have to question about where the T.. Rex is point guard of me. Hopefully controlling the world writing is to your ex with his Yeti army. Yeah I wonder if I believe yet he could be real. I really like crypto zoology. I don't get Easter Getty's SASQUATCH. They're like the Fi like the most realistic. I'll let me. It's one of those things. Where when you when you do hear about cryptos out there's it's always the one that I go? You know. It could be like. Yeah it's I mean I don't think it is. I feel like we would have ran into really a free case where there's very very few these these creatures. But I've always had. Yeah it could be. I could see it. It's certainly more likely than like locked. Like the Loch Ness Monster The Jersey Devil yeah walking walk mobster with a guy who did Franken. It went way too far. The Jersey Devil is just just jersey. This is the result of Living Jersey. Start start sentiments. It's a mix between a is it something retailers at something Ben Franklin made up to poke fun at a rival. Well is confused Me Jersey Dental and the Mothman. They shouldn't be scripts in my mind because those are like supernatural. Being moth man is a very interesting idea though it is but he's like supernatural. He's not a Krypton. Yeah no he's not a creature he's a he's a kind of like a figure or person or some or a demon of some some kind of supernatural for natural beat and it gives a really good movie. Mop and prophecy doesn't movie. Hey seeing the movie. Read the book the Book I seen the movie. Keep keep the hell out of me but okay back to. Hey let's talk about the next hour of this podcast. We're GONNA be talking about Uber Caldera's Oh that might be a shadow art three at one movie where The guy from chips ran over. Budget them with a motorcycle. Okay but when you get into the catacombs at because that was playing I game. Richard kept talking about the talking about the Yankees. All those shot gunshots shocking shop not chats shocking glass. We call it down in south. Yeah and she has to scratch when I finally got to the Yetis so I was punched me in the face and I was okay load but I liked fighting the Eddie. I use to shock a lot on the cheese but I like them. I didn't have a the problem with them in the game. I thought they were cool in that level like they're in a lot of cages. Whoever was in this place because you don't see any monks down here you I wanna say I didn't say down there? Okay yeah who helped catch it all the yetis. And what are they eating. That was my big question. Any of the other yetis captured. They could work like a better. A Yeti so that there is a better yeti somewhere which will mention actually in another gave there are like There art like well and to Raider underworld. There are Yeti thrills which is a whole thing and see raider underworld they kinda like like these games are goofy but underworld throws the idea of realism completely out the window. Where like you get you literally get thors Amer at some point and you're killing like getty thrall with doors? Hey we played that game get to be more and more at the same time you have to be female four or fly. Larva came up with the idea not way way more. What if it's an early? What if the eighties? I wanted to say the first appearance of of the female or or is a a lady lethal. What if what? If Jane Foster was store is the bar I seen it out. It wasn't worth a lot of money. It is now. I don't know this shit lit up my no. It's considered the first appearance of of Jane Foster Fosters Thor. Now even though it's what book and nobody cared. Same as spectacular Spider Ham was a book that nobody cared about and I saw many times like a dollar and I never be like by the book. Never bought the gate book and look what it fucking Marvel's doing now. I'm GonNa say I fucking called it. I fucking called. It marvel doing all their what if story lines. I said I said for years now. Jane Foster actually does become for later in the comics in the one of the newer in one of the when Thorpe comes unworthy worthy new movies because any in their contracts have been signed yet and go farther in marveled. And I'm going to accept so. Yeah but I actually. I didn't mind the catacomb but it was a little like and I I know the Caglayan the Ice Palace and I don't really remember the Ice Palace very well but I wanna say you don't fight any patrol these thugs down here you in this place. I think it's I- Yetis snow. Leopards you do find some feel Manera As you say catfish made no sense. When you have like the it was a reused that same skin like three times? I which yeah. It's it's it's because it's it is Amora mood hit. Your is a big hills that were in the oils and you'll also a running theme in Team Raider their heels. They like their their tigers. They liked the bears. The reminded it'd be a mario sixty big JOE meal every time racing game. I can that last one. Yeah I could see that every you'll in a game all I can think of is the fucking the big dump yields from yours mass. That like come out of a the caves that you get the heart of the bottle of. Yeah yeah the big stupid face. If you get the Zora eggs I think from that area. Just like See more the SNIPS twenty seven games. My mom found. Yeah talking about the dumber as the try. Say the same exact thing I say. I study stupid Fazil. I wouldn't be surprised. Okay back into the catacombs on the Ice Palace. Oh yes I was. Okay so throw a plane the Ice Palace Richard of talking about stupid chicken. I'm like what the hell the big giant chicken going to be doing and I was very confused and then I'm I'm I'm playing. I'm playing the guys watch for the big chicken. I'm expecting a giant chicken. What I got with chicken that went to the gym for the last ten years? And what the Hell I see him as the giant puff looking Yeti. That's huge with a chicken beak like a camera saying we're really just imagine. Imagine like whatever the imagine like a swollen eagle cut like walking out to the Americas. I'm from team. America World Police. Because that's basically what this thing is a big ass Suo Eagle and every time it walks out like America era. I was trying to glitch this fight but I couldn't get into glitch. Can you can jump down. Jump Up and then shoot him and he can't hit you but every time you jump up. He runs the other side of the room and won't come back. I didn't have issue with him. Browning's just around him I just I just kept backing up and shooting him and it took a while but I killed them. Because again I was conserved all my ammo for what I don't know I was just considering it so I was. That was the battle I said this is my loses. Meet my was I. I didn't used news anything really. I just kept saying my ankle. Save me My ammo. I had like three thousand news round at one point. Yeah I still had to beat the game by the late show. Oh and you weren't grabbing. The secrets don't wasn't I just used a handgun. So much in this game I would find ways to kill them with the handgun and either knock get hurt or do you use a med pack and save the AMMO. I kept saving them for later levels and then I ran out of levels. Suffer A for audience's sake once you get to the the Tibetan temple the monastery. This is where the game is just like fuck it we're GONNA have yetis. We're going to have giant chicken equal this one. Just yeah just the one and the we're not gonNA explain anything about them. We're not going to tell you why yet we're going to. Have you react to the fact that yet. He's a real or there's this giant Eagle. It was in this game like there's nothing to pick up. There's nothing to readers. Couple cut scenes a couple of voiceovers. That are hard to hear. There's not a lot of like you. Don't give Oughta story. It makes me want to go play the new games and not pick up any notes to see how little story get without reading anything to see how sleep put the Tomb Raider reboot on the show instead of this guy could've when I did I don't know I learned. It is really worried like at one reason why I made sure to say. ps one we break before we started. I started playing this for the show. I want to make sure you meant this. One in the reboot one. I'm GonNa just double check ups what it would be funny if everybody else played rise and I played this game like these cases gave us great. I thought it was really hard. It is really are. I mean. That's one thing that we cannot stress enough game. Even it is very difficult because the me like the jumps are very spot on. There's a lot of them are you. Don't have it lined up. Just right for the. Timing's means off. You're GONNA get hurt. You'RE GONNA die. Screw yourself if you use too many med packaging. Certain parts of the game. You have to get hurt in order to get through it. I feel like maybe also significantly less giant swell chickens in the new games which is disappointing. I'm okay with that. A hundred percent. I never need in our chicken that it looks like the hulk ever again in my life. Okay Yeah Nice. Palace was the first of two levels with the damn springboards in. Oh My god Christ I said I was hell and then he would jump up huge. Bring up what Mr Trump she falls down cook. She's looking she's married all just just crumbles in pieces and screams we went on in. This game is one of the secrets or a guide or you have to keep jumping and shooting him and it's just so annoying that that one bill as honestly that is you had to do it bells and land and grab it. Okay there's a there's parts of the game. You have to jump across backflip jumping kin backflip jump again like I actually got the hang of controls by the end of the game really good you get the jump on something. Jump over hold on X.. Crab the ledge pull up jump off like it gets very complicated with the with the controls gets. It was a lot at certain points points. But I did like the supernatural aspect. Had near the end of the game. Kind of continuing like I. It reminded me spoilers. Charted it remind me in charted series you were. You always have a little bit national near the end of the game in the first one and I do for sure well that can do greater okay. Yeah yeah this is how so. It's kind of weird because Tomb Raider. We WanNa make an Indiana Jones game or we don't have access to any other jobs as license will make our own character. That's basically like like Indiana Jones. But from folk to Raider. They were like. Oh we want to make her own tomb raider. We'll call it. UNCHARTED WATT. Nathan's right protagonist and there's a new tomb raider game out there like like hold by Biro charted. We're we'RE GONNA make your games but better. There's also a really good Indiana Jones game that plays like Tomb Raider. Yeah yeah they all just like copy each other. It's very strict genre. That just is like like they're all just like taking it from each other. I think it's called Emperor's tomb or something xbox and that era I really WanNa play it on the way you jump on people's faces as Indiana Jones. I don't remember but I know you can whip and swing and I beat it on regular regular shops a long time I think it. Is You like a movie. You can like jump on people's face and like I don't know what you do. It's just a really weird animation. You like hop on them and it's like you're holding onto to their head with like your knees wrapped around her shoulders. It's dislike pop off in their dead. I don't know what he does. Remember this okay. What one thing? Ah after you kill that right before you kill the big chicken mantra. I know you grab a talent or a date. You grab some. I guess it's called talent but is that what you got the whole purpose. What she was doing? Lean into battle to get this item. Okay and then. The giant chicken thing is called the guardian of the Taliban. Yeah he wakes up after you grab it and you've got to kill him then the level ends and then you go back to China. It's Italian talent it's like talion. Da L. in hell not like I like Yoga Bird even though we're talking about giant chicken bird things it's not a bird Talon Italian which is like a whole like it's like a like Chinese. He's wallet type thing the old Chinese whereas the thing they would hope on their belts. Tell her where to go in China. Then you right after this you go to the Temple of Zion Z.. And wherever the hottest oldest he basically goes through the goal to that door to open it. Okay Okay I did not pay enough attention. Yeah a place where we're audio. Oh killed himself. It'd be great if audio's body was still there that that was like that was like when the silliest b-movie seems ever she's walking towards the day her and she just walking on the floor. The floor goes out if I knew what happened because I read the guide. Yeah you feel like it's going to happen. The prize the hell out of me. The first time I played it I was like. This is an Indiana Jones. Moment this is this is taking the thing off the pedestal. And something like either a voter is gonNA come out or the floor is going to collapse. And I'm going to have to run. We're hey we're boulders in this game a lot of them in this game run from them throughout the game. Yeah why would they have so may boulders in their own damn monastery to its looking ancient Bach bark a tradition as you get voters and you put them up somewhere high and you don't secure them you just trust trust that they will be there. You leave and you just let them be as a trust exercise with Whatever God they believe? If that's how you noticed wasn't California Arcade wouldn't have been there. I don't know they never explained the parking religion. They're just like us. They worship the Dragon. I'm assuming coming. Let's figure at something to do with that Dagger I WANNA say for the temples. Ian Possibly they were trying to keep the dagger from being claimed the wealth. Yeah good job at all and my seal it all this that the temple of Zeon at is when was the hardest is level for Yup. It's hard to level the game. It's too it took me two hours to beat that level with a guide and I don't think it's fucking Whoa when I I play the game and got to that level I A good way through it and then I got took those dams spiders forget spiders. Are you spider than I have a bit era of Arachnophobia. Take I can handle. I mean I have our time playing the resident evil remake. Well look very realistic. Yeah and I managed to get through. I mean I knew they were coming but I had a hard time with this. I mean when I first played this in many years ago on a windows ninety five computer. I literally used the level skip cheat when I was first facing that so when I got to that part in the game and it was recording it. I'm like I'm not skipping it. I'm GonNa get through this level. I am not going to and then got surprised when they hit the two hour mark and Dan found that the recording cut off and that was just at the end level. But I mean like I was GonNa make it through it or I was never gonNa do it again. Are you a person who like all the ARACHNOPHOBIA modernity by Skyros to get rid of all the spiders. I've never played. I've never played Iram so I always surprises me. Because the spires didn't skyrocket. I don't think look very realistic. So they never bothered me but there was a MoD for oblivion that had black black widow spiders and you fight them in the dark and you can barely see them and that scared the shit out of me. Yeah I think that would be the more the case I mean. I knew I knew these things. We're going to show up and I even told my there's about three sized spiders in the game small normal in all hell no get smaller and smaller as the Games. Go Lonzo like shout of two major there like like tiny spiders under rocks I think in like the relic game. They're really tiny at least comparatively on the screen. You're only for a small part in this game though. I felt like they were for a whole lot. Tends yeah there's just at some point there's a lot of them they never play a number number overture then by the way a lot of spiders. Yea what's definitely. I can't play stranded deep because open water. Why I don't go into the ocean after be the I don't work in the middle of the Atlantic good thing uh-huh surprising surprisingly for my job I get to stay onshore? Most of the time I mean in all the lava made me laugh to like in this game took the water. You're a made it red and at the same exact physics like she falls into place. You jump in the water but her health just vanishes in a in a second. Yeah it's a lot better than the lava in the first game. My favorite is when the lavas on the ceiling and the water is on the ground. And it's just no sense. Yeah it's very yeah I mean they just annoying. Yeah did the floating islands. I guess that's a good point. You're really in like reality anymore. That's true you got any is that so in. The end is simple level. He gets the dagger and that's when he pledges his data you're into himself like in the opening cut scene. Okay and that the floating islands are what was created by that yes. He opens a gate to define a level of half life. And you have to go there and help board freemen's at how the dragon that was funny. Zan that's what it's called. I got I got that reference even though I've never played that far but what I got that it's the exact same athlete yet you get to the end of the game and suddenly you're in a floating islands in world and you have to kill his giant supernatural being. I can't be the the only one I thought I was in the wizard of Oz when I saw the floating like Weird Guardian. Just coming towards me from far away I think is monkeys and they're just standing there holding the storage floating towards me and I would just I did these guardians. Were pitch to fight though to those a trick you can blow them up with the grenades before they activate which I was saving grenades. Why real reasons to be honest? I found out ironically enough. A trick work on the A computer doesn't work on the computer now. I tried it. It didn't work. I really liked the CNN warriors. In this I don't ever really cool. We're we're cool. They just. They were bullets punches. And all yeah that that is true they kill you with this fears. They throw her up in the air if they if they get the last with the spirits and they'll throw her up near or above the spheres. Mike almost hold around and felt it looked like before I hit load. I like the ones that have the giants or get a lot of damage. Also like the buster sort of final fantasy. I've been seventy two it muscles and they were picked. They weren't a little guy with a ball for a hand. Okay look if you're in if you're in the the Laura Croft Tomb Raider Universe and you get stuck in an alternate reality. -ality what are you GONNA do. You're GONNA get swollen that's all you can do. You'RE GONNA lift all you're stuck in an alternate reality with giant boulders. You'RE GONNA have to learn how to let all all and there were some super tough jumps in the floating islands to. Oh my God. Yeah really tell saving after like every jump. Yeah I think you're supposed to I mean you're up in the air the whole time it was this I mean i. It was testing me like I I beat the IB Temple Zion and floating islands and the rest of the game. All all in one night while temples nine took me like all day. But I'd be feet the I I want to. At that point I was just like I was done I was like I need to beat this game. Be Done with it. I don't have to play. Yeah but I want to say the phone island did have the Bartoli thugs. They came back again and they come back. We have to fight the guardians and of totally bugs. And there's one really shitty room where you drop shop in you drop them to this room and there's like six of the Guardians and like four or five are told you thugs and I just stood there. Eight men packs and unloaded the UC's into because if you walked too far we start acting guardians. That was that was miserable. See that's where that's where you best strategy is you drop the cage age and you just jump around that central area there that we're at that Cajun closed and just shoot the guys while they're trying to throw their knives at you and as you jump. Then they're throwing them at you but they're aiming were you. Were so keep missing young. I I couldn't do it. I would never good at any of that jumping in this game. I said I didn't learn how to roll until very near the end of the game. I really oh rolls three sixty turn. Oh and you need that role to climb up some of those ladders to learn it by the way because you had all the latter jump off a ladder hit the roll button so she turned around before you hit the ladder on the other side but he was ridiculous cave. was I mean that that that that that was not nice is it a is it time to talk about Bartoli plants. Sure I think for near the end. So yeah at this point of the game you've come across your fighting Bartoli to get the dagger Bartoli gets it stabs himself. He's carried off and the next time you see him. Bart Holy Dragon. You're fighting his henchmen and these ancient like warriors is frozen the reality and Bartoli just the dragon in that reality is that his endgame is just a dragon in a different reality. A different dimension will the drag could come back to our reality. Yeah but I mean like like an f twenty two. I feel like it's still take out. A dragon like at the end of the day dragon is a flesh but richer. This dragon. The only thing that can dragon is removing that Dagger Cabinet Dragon with like a fucking Predator. Peter Missile then surely the dagger would fly out like his game is to be the Dragon. I guess to take over the world as the Dragon Right. Yeah I just I don't know. It seems like a very roundabout way to take over the world. She's like Oh yes now. The Dragon Yeah. Well we didn't stand much of a chance in that movie arena fire did we were arena. Fire totally one dragon. Also a shitty movie great features. We're we're GONNA fight over this though. We'll be doing podcasts. I seen the movie I just know. It's okay you don't eat too so hey you might control the world. But you're still stuck as dragon. I'll maybe I'm not seeing the benefit of being dragon. Yeah track when and you fight the Dragon. I actually asked if I when I was fighting. I blew it up. I went in the water to go. Get more ammo and then I realize he wakes back up. I was not happy I did. I kill them a second time and I had to save and load about four times because she would not grab the dagger out of his belly. She just wouldn't do it. I'd walk up. Hit the gotten nothing. I even had to watch a video. See what the other guy did. And I'm like I'm doing this and I kept doing. It finally worked. Oh Yeah yes one JANK. Yep I like how if you if you took a long time to get to the end of this game and you like forgot that initial cut scene. I cannot imagine how long it would take somebody to realize. Oh I've gotTa Take Dagger Out of the Dragon's stomach which I'm sure happen because you think about it. I mean this is a long game like this game took me twenty hours to beat it and I would have never beaten in a in two weeks I had to fuck cast and I was a kid if I could have seen this game last month. I'm sure it did for people to play it when it first came out like Nikki. Yeah I mean I remember the First Cup team anymore. Yeah it literally took me two years. I think to beat it because I talk in an earlier level of just like jumping over the barrel earn barrels the snowballs in Tibetan level. That role at you. I would not jump down and I died that ever so finally broke down. I went to God I want to say it was like Walmart or something back then and I bought a game shark just for infant also also I would eat. Damage was when I was young. I barely adult. Don't feel bad this game. It's hard is there a way. Hey we can play this game shark now yes I WANNA point out. I Serious when I initially looked up how long this game took to be. I what I saw I saw was somebody saying. Oh it only takes spout like nine hours and I was like. Oh that's not bad. Nineteen eight realizing that nine hours is like if if you've played this game several times before and you know everything about it. That's our gave going out of this. Like blind or after years of not playing. Yeah this is like a twenty hour game for easy. Yeah if not more I like I could see somebody spending. I see somebody spending up to thirty or forty hours in this game. Just exploring exploring like if somebody wasn't if you're not good at puzzles this game is going to take a long time. Yes honestly even if you're just like unlucky with puzzles because a lot of is like Trial and error. And if you just if you're just unlucky in you're not doing the right thing it's GonNa take you a long time to to navigate where you need to go what we need to do. So many puzzles are like hidden as puzzle behind this random painting. I mean there's so many things that I would have. I feel like I never would've figured out. It wasn't for me Rena Guide. I told me what to do. Because there's just so many strange thing you're just looking at my playtime since I got off Gio G. and my total playtime of the game now. This includes re reach doing levels because of mistakes made yeah and Reload and that a total time of twenty four hours and one minute one hundred percent hand that was also remember. I've played it before and beaten it before now. Of course one level I used level skip Cheetah Ed get passed before which was that again the temple because they writers in general makes levels or it. Yeah I just don't understand the plan. I don't understand why you made us play this aboard. Dragon Yeah we haven't. We haven't addressed the final level yet. Oh Yeah Yeah. This game has a After credit scene log level which I was saving all my animal for I was on very very unhappy when I found out that he has no ammo and no weapon everything. I say that nothing Eh. Outfit Change wearing a nightgown now says she doesn't even have clothing in. This town generally allegation like until about that real quick. Look Yeah so back in the day. I don't know like who knows this. But if you took playstation games and put them in like a stereo our your CD player you could just listen to the audio files off of it really. Oh Yeah I remember doing that and you get to the one where you hear you know the very the end where she's taking the shower and everything before she shoots the screen and I was like wait. What is that? I have to find out whatever this is and then I started on the Internet and you see things like oh the tomb raider like new codes and things like that so that further led me into like. Oh I gotTA play this game. She's naked in some layer. Even not the case at all no Talkin Speaker is she you kill all the parts like the rest of the Bartoli guys tracked you down and your mansion you WWLTV bin Laden. Kill all while you're you while your vision is filled with like the bloody corpses of the Bartoli Mafia. You're yeah like I'll take a shower before I call the cops and then as she's about take a shower. I think it it. It virtually to Cameron. She says something. I couldn't hear it. Don't you think she's seen enough and then I couldn't understand it and then they just shoots a camera. which do we look? That's a clever way. Didn't it the last trolling to the people who just want to see laura naked chefs after you defeated their boss As a giant Immortal Dragon. Why do they still come and attack you at your place like they can't take you on by now right well? She was ready for the Dragon. They had to wait for her to be like about staying shower. They're like Oh surely she won't be ready for that now. She was ready for that too. She had a cupboard stock. Hundred shot. Shaq well I keep my shotgun cabinet right next to my shower just in case the best time best. I've be grabbing blindly for shock on his. When you're wet and you're not wearing your glasses see? You don't WanNA format is that was that was after before the Butler in the freezer right. I never did what did I didn't know you could until I was reading other people's comments about it. Yeah and apparently you can lock lock the big the the final boss in the freezer to really. Yeah the DI. No this happens. They're just there. You hear him groaning against the door but well. I was a little surprised when I walked on the quarter. I did find the big boss Guide and shot the Hilton. Finishing him with a shotgun but pool or Winston Winston used to be so fat and short at the Butler. I haven't seen the movies and any of that very very long time. I think he is it the third game where he basically looks like. He looks like a little Goblin. I have no I have to relook that I I. I think it's in the third day he's like he's just so short if he's like bringing you something and I always see the screen. He looks like a little Goblin to me like he is it like human. He's like three feet tall hunched over eager. Let's face it The Butler well Hillary in the to mow the Angelina Jolie movies is a lot better looking than Winston is. Although you have to what you're talking about you've never seen the movies. I have out but I was much younger. Yeah Hillary in the movies is like more less or more like just count Colin. Firth isn't there of the robot or something she fights in the movies Yeah it's actually train a trainer. Okay okay I remember that I remember and I remember James Bond is in the first movie the that is true. Craig is doing very bad American accent in the first movie. It's like. Hey how you doing laura like. That's how it sounds. You should do that movie on the show. It's so he's he was the male equivalent. Yeah he was like the magic of interest they hired. We're here for something. I don't remember much on my God. Let that one scene with him gave me one hell of a laugh when I saw it in the theater. Who who was it wasn't Gerard Butler in the second was it I can I saw this theater sat up? It's been years since I watched it. I think voter the other day have to. I have to watch those with her. I mean let's face it off to a good you know in some ways is a good female role model too strong female role model funny early enough in in this game. I don't know they was it in three. When they felt like they had to introduce like a a love interest were in the first and second game? She didn't have a love interest. Susan have a love interest after as far as I could tell that some point. They start like they tried to introduce. That was an angel of darkness from what I've read. It was a really that late in the series aries horse. That's a phone writer or not even farther than that sast thank you. I've always really liked that. She didn't have a romantic interest. He was just like the strong female character by. I mean granted like completely. Were over. sexualizing our for like to sell the game. Aim but in terms of in the game like all the whole the whole marketing for this game was hey check out. How hot boobs are? Everyone's like okay. Yeah take one to us. This was amazing Graf like game. She's like she's not the first three games. Pass pass the The Bechtel test. I think bacterial test events L. test is like it's a test to determine it's kind of like an unofficial test to determine our like stronger stronger female character isn't a movie basically it's A movie passes back. They'll test if at any point in the movie a woman is not talking about a man. Am She's interested in or to look it up. Exactly it's interesting though for the movie has to these two women in it. The women have to talk to each other and talk to each other about something besides a man and this is this. This is true like when you if you start watching movies with this in mind you realise how few moves pass this test. It's you know like I think I remember seeing something where alien had seen that was not in in the movie because I see a comic adaptation I think I read it in the novelization that eliminated a senior Lambert and Ripley. Were talking about sexual encounter with live the the other guy. He's about the other guys in the sexual way Even cut it. They were like I think by cutting that scene at pass. The Bechtel tests like Pacific. Eric Rim doesn't pass the test and that's a pretty new movie. I've tried to bake I I think I don't know if last yet I or force Awakens Pass. It last job was never heard of that movie. I I know the word yet. I haven't weekdays on the movie. I got cancelled I thought yeah. I of course awakens is ray talks delay but they talk about on and Luke. Yes so the movie. Oh they don't talk about him in like a romantic but they are talking about. I'm man so I guess you can doesn't pass it because I can't think of any other scene where they're talking to each other and it's not about Luke it's it's an interesting thing where like there's like it's like part of this tests. I always keeping my when I'm watching movies. It's the best Plunkett test from red letter media where you have to just play it says is you have to Describe a character in a way where you don't talk you don't mention their name their occupation or what they're wearing and if you describe a character without mentioning those three things circa character so I like again star wars but like you can mission Han Solo without saying like. Oh He's a smuggling you could say. Oh he's he's like brave but he's conniving being and he's got this Very like roguish attitude and he didn't shoot first and He did I not any more the joke out there. It was hard times article today. That was like a George Lucas daughter. Upset did you see that upset about special cutter Highschool graduation tape and it was a special edition version of it. Yes she wrote on the stage. Show that do back all right. I think we should go away those tests. That are interesting that the both like I guess the first four Tim Raider Games all pass which is interesting too interesting thing to note. Okay I think we should mention I think we should go to listener questions comments memories now. I get a ton in a feedback for this game because I think most people haven't played it did get some Actually listening right now or not listening when I listen to myself but from the this is from the Tomb Raider Group. First thing I want Oughta say from Robbie toes we're GONNA Saito's I would replay the first level just so I can jump down in the cave just so I could kill the T.. Rex My child sell felt bad ass repeating him. I didn't even know what was in the damn game until I read that calm. I looked it up because I skipped it. Another one from Gary would burn loved. It played maybe one thousand nine hundred nine. That's a good time to still play this game and still really like played in twenty nine hundred for the first time not the best idea not a good idea but you know. That's what happens when you when you had your when you I guess Another one from Rob Heyerdahl my very very first game played on. Ps One such wonderful memories. One thousand nine hundred and seems like a lifetime ago. It was a lifetime ago. We're in two thousand nineteen. It's been a long damn time. Ah I was more in. This game came out I was I was nine. Yeah we're the same age. It makes me the old fogy here. I was already yes. It was like twenty twenty two twenty three when I I played it in. Nineteen Ninety seven or ninety eight probably and then here's another one from JP merrin said the scenario mythos the story the costumes especially the so so l a wet suit. The dragon the weird eerie level. Where there are where there are floating mountains the Maria Doria vessel the Monastery Mazen score by Nathan McCurry? The three secret secret drake used to collect which we never actually said yet Intercepts owed driving through Venice. The speedboat fighting a Yeti fighting the guardian of the Talian running through the Great Wall of China levels lay out atmosphere the traps and puzzles. It's just an epic game from start to finish. I agree with that. I really thought that kind of capitalize on a lot of different things that when on this game but I wanted to read that like there. It's still is a very cool game. I mean think about it but it's still very cool. Game person didn't didn't like the giant spiders. Either I don't and this is one from up from a guy who was the previous on the show and we on the show. Soon we kind of answer this. But I'M GONNA mention engine anyway so from Michael Hughes everyone locked Butler in the freezer right. I didn't know I couldn't do. I read that comment. It's the safest place for him. No Honesty L. in its natural habitat. It's where he longs Georgetti old. Make them just trying to preserve it like in preserving Almira facts. Yeah everybody did and I think even one person goes well. I guess that one guy I watch on twitchy plays. He's Love Etter. There's people that do letters of the Tomb Raider Games. They designed one where he actually comments on that and they have Laura Common. I'm sorry I look you in the freezer for all this time. They locked you in the freezer. That was you completely blind and this one from Mike Michael Davis. It's just have this image now or as Lord Butler is completely insane e so old. He's lost his mind so he can't even tell l.. That Laura's not like her parents Mr Kroft is that you it's me Laura Mister cough you sound so high pitched all of a sudden understand dance. You sound like a bright young man all right From the shark level terrified me as a kid still have extreme anxiety with the game oceans. Still I didn't know your name of Michael Davis. Yeah I just take it back. I so that makes sense. I mean you're right when you're swimming you're trying to realize that I that you're you're out you're out swimming. Shark also assume that level care into water. There's a shark behind me safe assumption. Always make is that a shark is behind me but also often you go in the ocean I I would. I think I would would feel better about being in the ocean with a great white shark though than many other great white. Sharks aren't as dangerous as people make our way back. We haven't had in a while. It's not woz short. Why not yeah? This is my brief Ceefax of well. Well well what do we have here. I'll see I'll see you show us on a beach. That's the name of the title. Animal factors that Mako. Sharks and tiger. Sharks are far more dangerous than great are so if I had the choice between being in the water with a great white shark or like a major shark great white all the way you can pet great way talk speak right way. Trucks will like come into boats. And you can. You can pet them videos. The people like rubbing the size of great white sharks. They'll like cats. Okay when I have I can pet him. He's not gonna be able to eat me. Not Alive I mean he definitely will he definitely if you you wanted died. But if I'm dead he all he likes. I don't need it anymore. I'm not really cares more about about you. Moving around just cares. I feed them today. That's face it cancer just too lazy to kill us all. That's the only reason we're still alive like when my alarm goes off in the morning my cat will come running and jump on the venter Mallon at me because he knows it's time to get fit. They have a lot less cats in the future. They today They might have found a cure to that cat parasite that makes people love cats. The real thing it's a it's called TACO Plasma Gandhi. It's a real thing does it is a parasite in cats that infects humans and it makes you love cats. I need to look this up. My mother has seven cats. This is a real thing. Have more people. It's like an. It's like unlike neglected parasite list but I was reading something today. That said they might have found a cure for it. And if that's the case that means as people might stop liking cats as much but hey at least don't make you go figure now. I was trying to make a joke about LAS llagas but I couldn't pick what they said and all of a sudden you gone here I don't know it's been a while all right. I got one more question. I yeah one more question question. I want to comment. I WanNa read out from anti someone from Anti. You said I was only seven years old when I was playing Tomb Raider two. I loved dinosaurs but had had never seen one in the video game except an educational floppy disk. You can imagine my face when descended into the abyss with flair and Hannity rest emerged from the darkness and started the roar for the whole game was such a blast in the sunk ship. Maria Doria is one of the most immersive stacy's I've ever played in some trying another perp during this coming I'm again have go Again this time he fought memory. Dinosaur Michael either I stand chicken. I was in a rush time. You you didn't go for any of the secrets in U. S.. Oh Hey I got the one. When I drove through the the little vote got out? Got Back into boat. The secrets in the game. Hey I got the one couple here. And they're not thinking what's up any you guys do the secrets. It's in her mansion. No imagine yeah if like if you go outside and go into the hedge maze. There's a switch at the end of it and you have to run out of the hedge maze as fast as you can get back into the house. It opens a secret door where you go into the net. There's a bunch of relics from like the first tomb. Raider gave us all that you either supposed to deal on. You're doing the training level of her home right cool. I didn't didn't do that either. I try and do the training thing because I thought I had to. I couldn't figure out how to get the game going. That's it but I think we should do chauffeur box and STU why don't you go. Oh I sure I am definitely get a shell this game. I had a lot of fun with it. Despite it being a surprise to me Going going back playing at recently I I I remember this game very differently ended is at that like nostalgia glasses on me. I remember a lot career. I wasn't expecting puzzles to be as horrible but just I'll look we were. We were a lot more patient back in the nineties. We're all we all let Games get away with a lot more. That's something we can all admit yes. We are all way more patient. We have way more time on our hands. So it's interesting to go back and play a game like that just see. Let's see how far we've come especially seeing this compared like the new games which is going to have to play. Because I've brought him up now. do new season for it's going to be three weeks at a row all three tomb. Raider okay with that. I don't yeah I a lot of fun with though I forgot like the sound of the screen gave us out of this great. The sound in this game is fantastic. Nick just the music overall is so good. And like when you when you're near like a swinging puzzle you just hear the rope creaking. Something about that is so like sinister in a way. It's got the really creepy vibe. Like I said this game feels like a survival horror like what the atmosphere and the enemies Kinda like disappearing the fog and running out at you appearing out you. It's got some actual jump scares in it so I I really had fun playing. I really had fun like trying to figure out. The puzzles calls as best. I could on my own. I had us a head easily walker a couple times admittedly but I just had a lot of fun going back and like really giving myself solve a challenge. I wouldn't recommend this game for everybody. If you really want to go back and play like an old school challenging game definitely check out to murder definitely going on my shelf. How about what you Richard? Well definitely I would definitely put on my shelf because I this is old game. I enjoyed and brings. He's back good memories too old memories too and when you are familiar with the old style of Gameplay and that that it does come back to you very easily. And while a played this more the computer version it's still brings back the memories raisin the storyline. You used to how how the character looked when they first appeared and it's a good in the St nostalgic field field for someone who seen a character evolve. Go in directions that you don't necessarily like get reimagined and all all that so you get to see characters roots and I put on my shelf. I mean yeah there were. I'm hell I made it through templates Zeon on this time round without having to skip the level and slaughtering all those spiders of hell no size. So that's that's an accomplishment okay. I'm how much Nikki you say. Chauffeur box shelf as I was distracted by the cat that was looking in at me. I couldn't get into table. Oh Cathy jumped on the table and I was trying to get them off but I couldn't get him to go off right. Try to grab it. Didn't work and track all right cool. That's that's to show. How about you Nikki? See that's a hard one for me to say I would say if you have the nostalgia for the Games. If you played Latam back in the day that you should shelf. It's definitely something great to go back to and like re-experience memories because before this I like I was like oh I remember. Remember that scene where you find the dragon at the end and there's like yet he's and stuff but I also remembered that like you know I got stuck at that about level for years and I couldn't get past it without and so I was afraid that that was going to happen yet. You know but like to actually go back and get through that do it legitimately without you know cheating or messing around like taking the game serious and now being old enough to know like what you're supposed to do it's really on and it's like A. It's a great sense of accomplishment because the controls are not easy to go back. Active and a lot of the puzzles are just like Barry Asinine to try to defend. You're like oh I need to go across the map here and move these boxes and get this switch switch back at the beginning and all of that but if you've never played them like I think you can just miss out on it and stick with the new ones. You're not really missing anything. I I completely agree that like your shelf at our box me personally. I'd shelf it okay. That's what we're looking for. Good points points. I'll go last. I think it's obvious what I'm GonNa do with this but I'm actually GonNa back you. Obviously I'M GONNA put this on the show really. I will never play it again but beat it so I can go over and look go. You know what I beat that son of a bitch game I plead it will never touch it again. I will not really recommend it to people what I feed it. 'CAUSE I didn't think I was going to beat this game. Shortly after we started. I started playing it. I we played this ahead of time and stews in New York. Stephon couldn't get it to load. I'm like I don't think any of us but Richard we're going to beat this game at originally and it was just and then Steph couldn't get low period because he hadn't he tried to get get to play again until I think it was Tuesday of this week and we're recording how to Sunday and I'm like yeah it'd be performing three days 'cause this vehicle in two days I don't know how but he did. This game is a fake. I would play level. I would be exhausted mentally. I'm done I cannot play another one right away. It's just it had a guy number and just took a lot outta it was but it's not a bad I mean doesn't I don't have a stall gic for it. All Its glory and is not a bad game understood how to play it. I understood what I was doing. I didn't hate it. I enjoy parts of it. I really enjoyed when the screen came on. It was done and I wish I didn't play like Resident Evil and save every single bullet all that I could because it did. I would have a much easier time by understood that even though I should've known cause I was reading the Guy. This is your fuck came out the same years this game to Janki horrible game that you wouldn't ever recommend to anybody you feel satisfied and being it's putting Michelle. There's actually if you look at nine hundred ninety seven games that we have done the show came up at your as a big year for gains ames. Yeah we're also on the subject for that year I think was I was four so just because this is not everything this is on steam this is on. ps three this is on iphone IPAD android. Somehow but oh if you're interested in the south the you can play it. I mean you just you need a guide and you need to pay attention to kind of what you're doing and it plays a lot differently but once you get about midway through picks up it starts. When did you start understanding what you're doing it be kind of fun levels are too long? I mean that just I someone in this day and age there long. I mean they overstay their welcome easel but again the playstation. He's just one game. Wherever the game would have been too short? They got bad review for being too short. You know I mean that was at the time so it's going on the show but I never wanna see it again ever and we're GONNA wait again. I never want to play an original ones ever again. Now that's for sure. Hey the Fourth One's okay. I would you WANNA play legend. I WANNA play legend and I WANNA play anniversary. I WANNA play those styles. He played for Serie. I I don't I am curious to try anniversary at some point. It's like that's my whole review of anniversary. I know that they merged some levels together and and they change some little details they still keep they still keep the cool death. Yeah like I said. The biggest changes like the introduction reduction of Quick time events which I think just kind of your ended up era but it was the like it was at the high point where like for whatever reason people thought the more the more quick time events the better it so everyone's putting winter any in game I mean Katrina Anniversary. Came out in two thousand six. Yeah it's just so many just so many two thousand seven sorry. She doesn't seven so it's just that era. I mean that was a big time when everything had could. Canada has come events gotTA war. I mean it was just that that was what they did alive. I'll have went out. I'm not against quick time. Events is just into murder diversity. It's like the whole boss. Fight like the whole Ho boss fights are retired events and it's it's just kind of ruins that game in my mind all of them. I think from what I've seen. Some playthrough is not all of them are are quick. Time events A lot of them are like a mix but like the mix. Yeah Yeah Bites. It is good though short chartered but inside also has non-core type of stuff in it. But I'm trying to to is amazing and is okay. Let's just play the better version of charter to Raider. You pick this to raiders tomb raider. For the next time I'll pick tomb raider two thousand thirteen. I'm okay with that. That's one thing just game is called Raider. You don't read any tombs whatsoever. I think it was like to win the entire game but other than that there is no tunes. You could argue the Great Wall of China's a tomb. You could argue that. That ship was a tutor them while the dead bodies in it. You're actually it sorry you actually they misspell. You're the two maker. You're going around in the making tombs. She does murder everybody she. She is leaves tubes in her. Wake complain about the name. Remember that for Super Mario Brothers. The first game. You're only you really only play one brother. And you're not very super. Just the Games should recalled Mario Guy and let you to sell you. Don't play Elliot play link. You don't even really learn about allies AETNA's Outta introduce the legend of Zelda until like Oh Carino time all right and Risa the Tomb Raider and two career to thirteen all the teams are optional. Last like ten percent of rice but up up to that point I've never played riotous so good. It's so much I I love to thirteen right here but I think rise improves upon in every way except for one. They removed the like brutal deaths which I understand some people were against those. I like them. I thought gave weight to failing that game. Even in this game some of the deaths were like pretty pretty brutal or obscene. And I like I thought it was a good little watch. Yeah it's like it's something always like struggled with at a the core and crystal dynamics where they don't know how brutal the deaths should be because in the first game is they were all pretty brutal and then they kind of tapered off a little bit and then they brought back tapered off and then fucking. Thirteen T. Raider came out and it was like the most brutal it's ever been and they taper off again in kind of brought them back for shadow now. They can't decide where they want to stand on it. I don't know some of the desk. I Tomb Raider. We're actually kind of cool. I mean let's face it stand on the stay on the hand of MIDAS become a gold statue. That's kind of cool. Yeah as I say like they were so like they were really good and really powerful in the first Games. And then I think you like jazz and thirteen you fuck up and you get impaled by like a jagged piece of metal falling off a plane and it just hits you so hard is like like like it's the perfect in his for faulk. I fucked up. Oh my God did space too. Don't tale that we need to play this on the show and adviser just like face the black. And you're like our. It's not that bad. I'll just read it I. I'm so thankful this game had reloading. I mean my version would have had no matter what but I would never see the end of this game without the I mean like when you were talking earlier about the about the fact that people play this game with no saving and loading my God i I gotta say. I was looking at like complete playthrough of this game to see how I like. How quick deal competed and I was watching like I seen like complete play through the people who being in this game in nine hours? Just not stop getting everything like a full hundred percent run like what the fuck you have to use. Yes to know everything if they know where everything thing is. I've seen a glitch Lewis Ron. That's only like an hour. Forty five minutes. I believe yeah and human best type Games longer people. I think we introduce what we're talking about. Next week I had enough tomb raiding. uh-huh Mike I'll give you a link to that the playlist for that for the tomb. Raider to know loads no MED. I can add it in the show notes. Yea I didn't even I think we'll take it fully introduced us to to the beginning happens. It's okay said your first name. I'm GONNA screwed everything up to the end of the PODCASTS. who was with us this time? We're starting we're we're doing a completely different format whereas centers we could say I could copy it plug it into the beginning going through. We had we had so much difficulties with this one. So one other podcasts. That introduce their guests at the end. I bet you can't the only ones I will have. You mentioned I'm GonNa Plug your. Do you want him in for or apply next week We are playing aliens infestation for the Nintendo. Ds in going to be. I already started going to be interested. No I'm I'm excited so be also stay tuned next week for lots of alien talk. I'm sure it'll be talking about the movies. Because it's it's I don't think you're impregnating anybody through their mouth so We talk a lot all right so and I think before we wrap up since you are guess. Richard You you want to plug you have anything you want to plug got tons of things but I do have a youtube channel. It's still very small. I've still got a really get a proper proper name for it. Because I'm I only start. I started you know as part of something to do after my wife passed away but I do a bunch of play throughs on it and in the past week I've uploaded At least a level for Tomb Raider two. I started playthrough playing up playthrough of I have no mouth and I must mus screen as well. Show me once you'll want. You should get up there for next Halloween time. Time is a perfect game for around that time I also put up one for. I think I finished up a missed. Three exile playthrough also skimp mystery three or four. Oh Yeah I say really. I'll just be reading what to do you bad for me but you know I have a bunch of others. I've been playing through and I do do like a least once every ten days I put up on a playthrough of monstrum fun little game to play always a new experience and they I also have a bunch of stories. I have up on fan. Fiction Dot net archive of our own and even up on comic vine and a good portion of them are Game related in fact I am working. I've been working on some based off Sierra Games like Store called the Modern Day cast novel which is is an adaptation of leisure suit. Larry and yeah it's Fa- It has the appropriate humor to actually Olmeta entire series of Larry Suit Larry Games now. Why and they were two dollars off sale and that is why I also have I have A very popular story up there called from there is which is an adaptation of shadow of the Colossus. And I have. It's gotten now a lot of praise especially for the unique viewpoint as I've never played the game. Wow Yeah a lot of people love it that was like are what fourteen i. I guess that I really guess that right yet for Shit longtime ago not in the galaxy far far away cod. I can't we've been doing this for this long. Oh I'm so happy but I can't believe it sometimes I look back on what action did no matter what I'm doing no matter how long I'm doing I'm just like I can't believe I'm doing this this long. We may come to you in the morning. It'll be like two minutes. I can't believe I've been definitely get all those I'll get as many. Yeah those lakes I can tell you Mike Okay. I'll add. I can Adam in the back in the bottom and also want to give a quick shot up before I forget to are awesome intro. Courtesy of Bobby Aka a Mike Stony from his EP bite. The bullet will get squad. You didn't have Nick Nick mention anything. I don't think I asked him before him. uh-huh awkward. I don't everything before so shifts beforehand. Now I know I definitely think now then I realized there's no point we would tell you if we ah we've been recording for. Yeah might have said that you are twenty three minutes right around. Nobody's county just the guy the only promise the audience so much this would be. This is what our log is episodes. There are three nineteen ninety-seven game so we have canceled. I just realized on the on our on our list. Yeah we drought one. I can't remember why we dropped to them. We dropped we. Were GonNA do ace combat. That's it we dropped that and that's a good Because we none of us could get to work. I didn't try I was okay with Agree to get rid of it. But I'm worried about mentioning the second one because like I can't remember if we dropped it. I think we did I. We can say it anyway. Do we drop last express. I think we did is still. We're still doing that. What was it really lasts? expressively Evans laid for the three people. That know what that game as I say. Even though I'm the one who picked and I'm excited to play it. Yeah I know I've learned so you at least you're not trying to torture me again. Something that I'm like. Oh No Another one from nineteen ninety-seven to what are we going to play. Sonic they are or. Are we talking about playing that one. Never officially I don't think he's talking about doing sonic chronicles than we dropped that. And you're very briefly really we're gonNA place on our that we drop that Sonic Donna chronicles. It's just ridiculously has problems. Yeah one emulators don't work. You have to play the game and that game. It's fucking hard good but hard because if you fail a special move good luck. A real crime is how we haven't played to become racing it. I'm okay with a blue sheet or blade was a ninety seven game. We gotta play that or I think it's time to wrap up the podcast like we're not going anywhere you know any nineteen ninety seven games. You play sentences something something as well pound Or on facebook. We're on twitter. Were on instagram. People did say some guy sent me a spotify list Golden Sun on facebook. I did get that I did read it. I do listen to do it. So if you recommend a game from nineteen ninety eight we will ban you for life normally nineteen ninety nations. Oh God so we have police follow us on all the social media and again if you're just you're still listening to US somehow at this point episode but I forgot to go through our list us we done lots of different games. We do different movies. Do Different comic. You might see something you didn't know and again spreads like the fires let other people know that's the best way to support US 'cause we're getting closer and closer oeser to mean we're starting people were trying to get some traction. You know there's a lot of people out there listening. Hell People Australia. They're listening to us. And if you are listening McLeod's daughters a pretty good show you never had you WANNA talk about. You might hear from Australia. Somebody got reference. Maybe maybe that's a long shot. I WanNa think everyone have a wonderful day and thank you guys are coming. Take my mom phone. And everyone's wonderful everybody the.

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Talking Tiny Home Renovations

Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast

44:20 min | 2 months ago

Talking Tiny Home Renovations

"At this point people have been living in tiny. Has what like twenty twenty or so years probably longer but as we think of it today as the modern tiny house movement yeah probably around the from turn-of-the-century around two thousand while that was twenty years ago already just blew my own mind a little bit. Welcome to the tiny house lifestyle. Podcast the show where you learn how to plan build and live the tiny lifestyle. I'm your host ethan waldman and this is episode one seventy six talking home renovations this week. I am bringing you yet another show that i was a guest on this time with the house. Maven catherine white mcphail on her show talking home renovations talking home renovations with the house. Maven is an educational and entertaining. Podcast that will you easier fears if you're planning a home renovation and are worried that you don't know what you're doing catherine had me on the show to talk about renovating tiny homes. It was a great conversation. And i think you'll enjoy this week's show hello and welcome to talking home renovations the house maven. I'm catherine macphail. I am your host. I am an architect. Practice in eastern massachusetts specialty is additions and renovations to existing homes. This podcast was started in october. Two thousand nineteen as a way for homeowners to get information that they needed before they embarked on a home innovation. So i had practical episodes on things like doors and windows. Bath fixtures skylights. Things like that This season is evolving more. Let's say home renovation related content. So i've been having people tell renovation stories on here and today actually. I am talking about tiny houses. 'cause i was thinking you know. Are you looking at construction costs lately and thinking maybe i should just move into a tiny house or thinking of selling your house and then wondering where would you go. Maybe that's just me. I've been interested in tiny houses for years. And i wondered if tiny houses were renovated. I mean they've been around now for a while. And if there's a market for us tiny. And then i came across even waldman who runs the website the tiny house dot net and i invited him to come on the podcast to discuss tiny houses. He started building his own. Tiny house in two thousand twelve now has a website the tiny house dot net. You can find guides and cheat sheets there and his blog and his podcast which is tiny house lifestyle. So pretty much anything. You'd like to know about tiny houses can be found on his website. Here's my conversation with ethan. Even i really appreciate you coming onto to the show. I'm fascinated by tiny houses. And i mean. People must renovate their tiny houses to right so i would love to hear about that. At this point people have been living in tiny. Has what like twenty twenty or so years. Or i mean probably longer but as we think of it today as the modern tiny house movement. Yeah probably around turn of the century around two thousand well. That was twenty years ago already. I know i know. I think i just blew my own mind a little bit. Turn of the century. Well yeah so. I guess i tell me a little bit about what you do. Obviously you have a lot of information. That's helping people build and maintain their own tiny houses. Yeah what's your what's your mission in that. so i. I really see myself as first and foremost an educator. A tiny house educator and and secondly advocate I built my own tiny houses on wheels back in twenty twelve a little bit before the movement had gotten really popular and started started writing starting started putting out content and then just really responded to a big need that i saw mainly in the form of questions that i got people. Were just so curious and you know. There's a real. Diy spirit to this movement so people who have never built anything are attempting to build their own houses so they really need a more basic or more kind of foundational education about you know what is a building envelope you know what is a heating system how you know. All these decisions were different kinds of insulation different types of framing different types of shells like all these things that that a contractor wouldn't even think about people who are starting from zero knowledge. As i did when i built my tiny house. They need a lot more. And so you know i. My background is actually in adult education. And so i kind of leveraged the experience that i had building my own tiny house and started just putting together friendly approachable content for for people to learn more about how to plan build and live tiny. What's great i mean. People do need Especially approachable information. Because sometimes it just gets overwhelming with technicality of it all and so that's a great service that you that you offer. So are you right now in a tiny house right now. I'm in a tiny condo. My wife and i don't live fulltime in our tiny anymore Mainly because the city that we really like to live in isn't very tiny friendly. But we're in about a seven hundred square foot condo that like it's the it's the most terrible layout i would say half of. It is a hallway. Like it's a tiny house in its own right You wanna keep you want to keep in shape so you can just jump right back in exactly but very cute. They're very cute. They seem really manageable. They seem like if you've never built anything before. It seems like they look like you could build one until you go to build one raised. Well i would say that a tiny house you actually i. I think it's actually harder. It's a harder build then a bigger structure Not well it's a shorter bill because there's not as much of it so each phase putting up the siding is takes less time because there's less exciting to put up but if you're building a tiny house that you intend to live full time in it still has all those systems it's got electrical. It's got plumbing got heating cooling refrigeration cooking toilet plummet just everything and you're trying to fit those systems into a much smaller space and so actually planning out the systems figuring out where they go. Where your plumbing lines are going to run their the kinds of things that in a bigger project again. We don't have to sweat those details quite as much because there's plenty of space. You know like like the plumber will decide where the plumbing lines go. The election will build some holes through studs but but in a tiny house like my run wall of my tiny house where the front door is the way it's framed. It's it was essentially impossible to to pass. Electrical wires rue the framing in this one spot. Where basically the the gang studs for the window and doors met the slope of the roof and created this just like stolid corner and like i didn't wanna drill through it because it was pretty structural and like yeah so you don't run into things like that in a bigger project. True true there's a little more void was not so packed with exactly longer. Well so have you been saying a lot of people trying to renovate tiny houses. Do they buy them off of aging free spirits who have decided to give it up. I've i've seen some renovations. I would say that there are a couple of different kinds of renovations that i'm seeing. The first is kind of the more unfortunate kind which is that. No tiny houses are starting to build a reputation for having moisture issues If they're not properly insulated and have the proper vapor barrier set up and so what you're seeing is people are finding mold and water damage from confrontation and having to rip out cabinets. Rip out walls. Rebel floors and repair damage Not so much renovation as in just repairs. Yeah but i've definitely seen my one notable kind of example is this woman macy miller who also kind of an early tiny house I'm gonna call her an early tiny house blogger. She was kind of around the same time as me sharing her story at her website. Which is i think. Many motives dot org Might be dot com. We can we can check on that but Her tiny house originally built on gooseneck trailer and it had essentially a covered porch. It was a shed roof and so the shed continued out and then the front door was there and then a porch continued so she kind of had this porch and then You know she had a second child and her partner moved in with her and so they actually hearn that porch base into interior space so that was a renovation that that they did they added a few feet to their tiny house well which is actually pretty big percentage of the tiny house. Yeah yeah exactly. Like i tell people like you know the the question of whether to put an how big of a shower or tub. Do you wanna put in your tiny house. you know. it's you might laugh but you know a thirty six inch by thirty six inch. Stop shower stall in terms of square footage is a is a actual percentage of your overall floor. So what's the standard size. Would you say i mean. i know. There's no standard size but people are still taking them on the road. There certain measurements. That are yes so so four moving on the road In the united states there are some numbers that that most people try to kind of stay within and that is thirteen and a half feet tall. So that's from the ground to the peak of the roof and then eight and a half feet wide at its widest. So that's you know. Usually that is your your drip edge to drip edge. You're eaves and that makes for a very any long structure Very skating yeah. Many houses are Now going a little over with In in many states and and this is the frustrating thing about the. Us is that the laws are different in every state and then for towing they're different in every state but then actual building codes and and regulations go down to the city level in most states. You are able to go over with by a certain amount. And it's not that big event deal for towing for example in vermont. You can go up to. I think ten and a half feet and it's just like you have to self register through the department of motor vehicles. Online you pay like thirty five bucks or something and you. They want you off the road by dark so adding that extra couple of feet of width actually makes a huge difference in terms of just what you can do on the layout. The house is kind of long and narrow sue. It can be difficult to create like those kind of l-shaped faces where people can sit and face each other kind of and that the house can tend to become kind of this long like almost like tunnel into going a little wider can help that a lot of not seeing people go over height often. Because that's a pretty hard like you know the bridge. The thirteen and a half footbridge ain't moving to answer your question about size. So when when i built mine in in twenty twelve it is on a twenty two foot trailer and so but the house actually stops a little bit before the end of the trailer and then there's a covered porch so it's about twenty by seven and a half on the inside and that was actually on the bigger side At the time Now my tiny house is really tiny. And we're mostly seeing houses more in the the twenty six to thirty foot range on surprised to hear that that it'd be that long because at some point don't you cross the line into something different than a tiny house like thirty. Well as long as what would you call it. A permanent house like house. That can't move a non-mobile house. Yeah i mean the the extra length allows people to do things like put in full-size kitchens full sides. And i i mean. I'm using full. Sized spray of in air quotes but but at least use full-size appliances whereas like my house uses a. The range is an rv range. So it's only like eighteen inches deep The fridge is a tiny little like built in fridge But people are able to go a little bit bigger. It gives people more options for storage putting in laundry putting in you know just amenities that make the house a little more livable and really not seeing people move their tiny houses all that often. I mean yeah. There are people who who moved them quite frequently but the majority of tiny house dwellers are not moving all that often. I can use myself as example. I built the tiny house in a couple of different locations so it moved a couple of times throughout the bill that and the build lasted fourteen months and then once the bill was done i found a site to rent that was about eight miles from where the build was so it moved to the site in two thousand thirteen and it stayed there until last year. June twenty twenty The land changed hands and the new owners abstinence to move tiny house and so the house moved for the first time in seven years the wheels of course allow you know if my house was on a foundation. I could you know moving. It would be a lot harder. But i do think that as houses get as these tiny houses get bigger we start to to kind of say. Okay what are we. Losing the benefit of the mobility when we go this big. Because i'm at about ten thousand pounds. And that i don't own a vehicle that can tell my tiny house Luckily i live in vermont where there are a lot of lot of people farmers who have trucks and are very friendly and willing to help out. He's knock on their door. See a truck in the yard. I mean like isn't that like some truck guys like greatest like dream flake. I would think yeah. Can you come. Joe my ten thousand pound trailer. They're like yes. I've been waiting for this day. But it's true when you're above ten thousand pounds in some states you. You're technically supposed to have a commercial driver's license to move that heavy. I'm a big advocate for hiring hiring driver There are lots of transport companies. That can do this. It's it is quite a bit more expensive to have your task professionally toad but you also are getting insurance essentially with that so they are responsible for anything that happens your house or to others while it moves down the road not not you. Do you mind if i ask you some stupid questions because these are these are questions i have about and i could probably just google it but i think i did before but anyway as a house is going down the highway at fifty miles an hour. It's essentially the forces that are on it right because it's moving all around then. Also the wind right fifty mile an hour winds kane in an earthquake severe. Yeah so to me. It seems like that. Would that really made me nervous. When i was when i was working on these rooms with these other guys would. They didn't seem to be as concerned as i was. But i felt like You really have to design for that. An engineer it so that it can juggle all around if juggles award. Yep yep yes so how do you. How do people deal with that especially people who are just doing it for the first time themselves. Luckily we really haven't seen tiny houses moving down the road and falling apart. Let's yeah i mean who knows like that could have started happening. I'm sure if they were made out of stone or concrete they might there but you know. Wood framed structure does tend to be kind of able to absorb that kind of stress but of course any good set of tiny house. Plans will call out using basically hurricane strapping like as if you were building a house in a high wind zone. So you know using one brand is is simpson strong ties. They're kind of a popular brand. So you know tying your your floor system to the trailer. With usually people use a threaded threaded rod threaded bolts and now the tiny house trailers are now coming with threaded bolts kind of pre welded into position. So that you can just drill holes in your floor joists and bolt the floor on and then again metal clips to tie your your wall system to the floor the rafters to the wall etc etc. Right all right. They also You're supposed to use tempered glass you know. Rv's us tempered. Glass is the same way that the glass in your windshield is tempered. So it's not going to like explode when it if broken. That seems like a great idea. Yeah and then you know for for really frequent travel particularly the windows that are going to face front and get like a lot of maybe stones chips things from the road is like either shudders or just like you know putting basically boarding up your window as if hurricane was coming you know playing a piece of plywood over your window that makes total sense because things are going to be popping off the road and yeah or break your window probably so case. My second stupid question is when you there unless you're gonna stay for two years or something like that do you. Then put the whole thing on a like the whole trailer onto a foundation system because obviously the tires whilst flap. I'll say one more thing about towing and so before we get there. Is that another thing that people always have problems with. And when i moved my tiny house. I was like holding my breath. Is that these utility trailers and not to come with the greatest tires They don't come with really high quality tires and so people get their new trailer. They pulled into position. They build their house on it and then it sits for five years and then they go to move it and they ended up getting blowouts on. The road sucks so one thing that i advise in my in my guide. Tiny house decisions. Is you know if you're going to do a long journey in your house and your tires have been sitting. It's it sucks hurts to buy four new tires because they're not cheap tires but put on new tires and grease your bearings. Because that's another thing you know. The one hour journey turns into a day long journey. Because you had to sit on the side of the road and wait for triple eight to come. Yeah yeah tire so okay so once you get once you get there. Do you put your house some kind of foundation system. Ideally yes depending on. What kind of utilities. Your house has built in versus what you need to hook up to. And you're going to need some infrastructure onsite it's true. Most tiny houses use a compost toilet. So they don't require you know a way to dispose of that kind of waste however most tiny houses produce at least gray water and you know some places do allow you to discharge gray water either onto the ground or into some kind of gray water system but you will you know. You're you're gonna figure out where your water goes if you need power you're gonna talk to that and then you know if you need water coming in in a lot of places it's quite difficult you get water into your tiny house in. It's coming up from a pipe in the ground because you've got the issue of of freezing. Yeah it seems like a lot of a lot to think through. Are there things. Rv parks for tiny houses. Well yeah i mean a lot of. Rv parks are allowing tiny houses to park there. And in a way it's tiny houses don't like to think of themselves as rv's and they're definitely not the same thing you know rv's recreational vehicle right there in the name. They're they're designed for temporary use but rv parks tend to have the exact infrastructure that a tiny house would need. They've got a concrete pads. You don't have to worry about your house sinking and getting unlevel. They've got plumbing hookups electrical hookups. Everything is kind of there for you but from a privacy perspective and aesthetic perspective. Rv parks aren't always what you know. Tiny house dwellers kind of seem how compatible right right and we are seeing some kind of you know people are buying up. Rv parks and turning them into tiny house parks k. But then you still have really close neighbors and to me. The image of being at a like a lake side signed alone. Like that's right right. And i think the image of being at a lakeside tonight. All loan is is certainly more the exception than the role in real life. Tiny living you mean real-life tiny house living and that's not. Everybody wants that. I mean a lot of tiny houses end up parking in the backyard of another house. And because you do because you're space is small and and there are certain things about it that are limited be it. Maybe you don't have a tub or even a shower. You probably don't have. I mean now. They a lot of them have laundry but mine doesn't have laundry so like you actually need to connect with your very local community as in the your neighbors quite a bit more when you're living in a tiny house and a lot of people say that that is actually a really big benefit of living tiny because it connects them to the people around them. So you can rent. Let's say your neighbor or somebody could put this infrastructure. They need in their house so they could accommodate and rent that to a tiny house and the tiny house person lives out there. Yeah the dream. Is you know we face a housing shortage across the country and in these cities. I mean i'm in burlington vermont. It's a perfect example. Like the cost of houses here have gone up so much that you can't really afford to buy a house here if you work like a normal job and so there are all these neighborhoods that have backyard. There's there's a lot of empty space that could be infield. And so here's the dream is like you know. Let let somebody who wants to rent their backyard to a tiny house family or or couple or a single person and they can get some rental income. We've added housing where there was none before. And it's tends to be not transient. You know it's it's people who want to be somewhere and be a part of the community right so they're there for years a couple of weeks How do local zoning codes mesh with all that idea. It's a mess. Yeah i can imagine because the total mess. Well yeah so. Let's get into it. Yes you've got you've got zoning controls like how you can use the land. What can you put where right. And then you've got you've got building code. Safety right and tiny houses can run afoul and often do run a foul of both right and so there is an effort. there are multiple efforts underway. And i think that what i see happening is that they're going to start to coalesce but in twenty eighteen a group of tiny house advocates successfully wrote an appendix for the twenty eighteen irc international residential code. Yeah that's good. That's a step in the right direct. You've got your irc book right there right here. Wolf that is thick so appendix q. Is what it's called and it actually. That's up some code guidelines for houses under four hundred square feet. Yeah tiny as it does not apply to houses on wheels though. So this is a little eighty you basically. Yeah in a way. But it's it's seen as kind of the first step because it would allow a municipality so so right now there's an effort underway because each state has to vote to adopt the latest version of the irc doesn't just automatically disseminate everywhere and now yes true like in massachusetts were just on two thousand fifteen exactly and there are some places that are still on like two thousand eight. So it's seen as a first step at or that it makes it easier for municipality to adopt that language and then amended to allow for wheels and some municipalities are are deciding. Okay you know you've got to put the trailer up on blocks you've got to take the wheels off and you've got to put up a skirting so that you can't see the trailer that kind of thing kind of make it look like it. It's yeah attached to the ground. And so that's that's on the kind of residential an edu side of things on the other side of things there are. There is a body certification body for rv's that says existed since the fifties it's called Anti american man. I'm not gonna american national standards institute and they. They have a safety code that applies for. Rv's and park models and so these codes are actually a bit better suited to tiny houses because they address the fact that the house and move they address the move ability and they address fire safety in a smaller space. now the codes. Aren't you know the size of the egress window. Required in an rv is smaller than the size of an egress window. That's required in residential home So you know are the codes as strong. Maybe not but what we're seeing happening is There've been a couple of prominent examples of you know the the city of los angeles not the county but the city of los angeles has actually said tiny houses on wheels can be used as a us as long as they are. Rv certified so a lot of the professional tiny house. Builders are going toward you know getting their builds certified as vis- There's an effort underway to create an rv code that is specifically for tiny houses rather than trying to she horn the tiny house into the rv or the park model code. And you know. I tend to agree that that once that happens. Once there's an actual tiny house code that there's more municipalities are going to jump on jump on it that way but those codes don't address at all things like wastewater lot coverage these are all decisions and challenges that that each city will meet and have to deal with. Yeah and that's that could take awhile means zoning changes take a long time. It seems like so what you're mostly seeing is that people are are just for better or for worse living illegally in their tiny houses and for most people. Nothing bad ever happened for some people. They get zoning violation and get asked to move so that's not that bad relatively speaking so if somebody wanted a tiny house obviously they can build it themselves or they can buy one that as you said once the the professional tiny house manufacturers are making or they could be one used one and renovate it to suit themselves right. So there's three options basically. Yeah do you see people in retirement doing it or is it mostly still young people who actually mostly people in retirement. Was that really. do they offs. Because i don't think gotta out on wanna sleep up there. Well there's a couple of things i mean. Most people are moving away from the sleeping loft or if they are doing sleeping loft. They are using a very compact staircase to get up to that rather than a ladder. I'm the latter. Access loft is not convenient. It's not fun. It's one of the things about my tiny house. That i wish i could change if i if i could go back i would. I would not do that. Yeah that would be hard if you actually had to hang up to go to the past the metal the night. Let's say exactly what we're seeing really is that you know young younger people like me i was. I was like twenty six when i started on my project. And i'm you know. I'm thirty six now. it you know we are heading. The younger folks are tending to build them. You know maybe living on for a couple of years and then kind of move onto a bigger house or you know and the the the boomers. The people who are retiring are tending to be looking at tiny houses as a way to retire or just a way to retire at all. And they're really talking about like. This is going to be my house. That i'm going to. I'm going to age in place in this tiny house so it's a more long-term a long-term solution interesting. I mean i. As i mentioned i live in massachusetts. So we don't have we okay. Let's just say where. I live for this right next to cambridge. So it's pretty dense. We don't have enough room. Weaver tiny houses in the in most yards. And so i don't see any around here doesn't mean that they aren't happening but i mean i have. I have heard that some people are living in the yard of their own house. But that's more like an eighty you. I think but you could get a tiny house and bring it in there and then rent your big house out to a a young family who needs the space you know so it's pretty interesting pretty interesting idea. And maybe it's because those photographs are so give it this romantic sort of to the whole thing. And you know outdoor outdoor dining with colored glass and everything in the meadow picked flowers and stuff but right well as someone who also lives in new england. You know that only exists like few months of the year. Yeah and one of those mines is really bad. Mosquitos so right. Yeah but it looks nice if you kind of forget that somehow but yeah that'd be another thing too is the is the climate would be. Yes a more temperate. Climate like the pacific northwest in northern california. There are a lot more tiny houses. Because it's it's a lot easier to live in a tiny house there because you can. You can pretty much count on being able to be outside much much more of the year so you can set up more. Outdoor living spaces outdoor kitchen outdoor. You know essentially an outdoor living room if you if you want to whereas again like here in vermont might be useful three four months of the year. yep yep and otherwise you'll have to build an ice palace outside like they have in quebec or somewhere right exactly yeah and you know massachusetts has been kind of not stupor Not super progressive on tiny houses. And it's understandable. I mean boston cambridge. It's very dense very dense old city I couldn't imagine towing a tiny house the boston. Oh no i can't either or even down up down the road here in arlington. That would be people not being nice about it. Yeah it'd be stressful stressful. Yeah they don't even allow. Rv parking around in a lot of these towns near where i am. Okay i have one more question for you. So if i were a person who didn't want to build it myself and i didn't want to buy totally new and i wanted to save some money. Would i save some money if i just bought a used one and you know quote unquote fix it up myself so renovated it would that be i mean why would anybody renovate one. Buy a new one. Just because they can make their own her. What do you think right so right now as you're probably aware the cost of building materials just skyrocketed. Yeah so everything is a little bit bonkers right now and the the cost of buying a new tiny house is is has gone up a lot because just simply because the material costs have gone up a lot. So you might you. I think right now you certainly could save money. If the person who's selling the tiny house is kind of pricing it based off of maybe what they spent on it rather than. What would it cost to build this now you know. We're not seeing tiny houses. They're not appreciating assets. The thing that appreciates about a house is more the land that it sits on than the house itself that's true and so tiny are maybe holding their value or depreciating more like rv's than appreciating like houses. So you can certainly get one. You can get a deal. You can certainly find deals on on used ones but it in my opinion. It's kind of a buyer. Beware situation particularly if it was built by novices. It can be really to know what's behind the walls They you know. Did they do the electric the electrical wiring themselves. Or did they hire attrition You know it's all these safety things. So i would. If i was buying a use tiny house. I would really want to at least day. Hey do you have pictures from when it was under construction. Can i see the build photos. And then i might. You know i'm not a pro. I would probably higher higher attrition to look at the photos and say like yeah. It looks like they did the wiring. Well i would hire a plumber. You know i would. I would really scrutinize the photos. And then even a used tiny house that was built by a professional builder. There have been so many. Builders who have gone are kind of fly-by-night operations that build a few tiny houses and then disappear because people have complained or because they didn't work that well. And so i. Would you know if i was buying a used tiny house from a builder. I would definitely definitely try to find other people who worked with that builder and try to just check them out and make sure that they're reputable So it sounds like you would be a little bit cautious about buying a used tiny I would definitely be a big cautious about buying us like again. Not saying it's not possible but kind of buyer. Beware bishop probably. Maybe you should get like you should just take out all of the interior finishes and re and kind of look at everything. So it's almost like again. Could you could hire a building inspector to inspect it before you purchase it. You know somebody who's gonna come do a blower door test or you know. They have that thing that they can stick into the wall and check the moisture content of the. Would you know all those kinds of things. I would do that but from a renovation standpoint if if the shell is good and well built and you just want to change the inside. That's very very doable. It's a small space. It can be pretty difficult to move. You know it's going to be difficult to move the bathroom from one side of the house to the other just because yeah but if you're going to keep the layout the same and maybe put up new finishes new walls neutral new cabinets Yeah have at it and you'll have a chance to see what's behind those walls when you do. Yeah which sounds like you might want to especially with the mold on water issues and thanks. Yeah yeah well. How can people get in touch with you. I mean you have your podcast. i do. Which is a tiny house lifestyle podcast. And that's you know in all the places that you get podcast but my website is the tiny house dot net. So that's where you'll find things like my my guide. Tiny house to find the podcast. You'll find. I've been writing a blog for years and years so there are a lot of kind of meaty how to type articles how to pick a tiny house trailer. How to find parking for your tiny house. All those kind of bases are pretty well covered on the blog. And yeah you have a ton of information on your website and on your podcast. How many episodes of that podcast you have as of this this friday i will publish episode one fifty eight so it's been such a long show for just over three years. Yeah there is a shown huge backlog information on the podcast. So jenner tiny house superfan. I would say just start. you know. Start with episode one and go for it. Yeah and there's pretty much any question you might have is answered. I would say between your your website and on your blog. So i would hope so. Thanks for sharing all that with the world and for coming on and talking to me. You're welcome my listeners. Yeah i just like to. I don't know if i'll ever live in a tiny house but to i like to think about it. Yeah even if you'll never live in a tiny house just a thought exercise of thinking about you. Know how would i downsize. What would i get rid of. It can be really helpful for people and you can. You could go through that process if you wanted to of of downsizing it's very popular right now with condo and yeah. I tried that. It doesn't worry for me. Sometimes you we. Sometimes we need hard limits. Like i literally. Don't have the space for this thing. That stu thanks again to ethan for joining me and thanks to you for listening to the episode. 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Cassandra's Revenge MID-SEASON FINALE review (Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure)

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Cassandra's Revenge MID-SEASON FINALE review (Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure)

"Hey Anna if for pennzoil started podcast what would it be about painting or lizards? How about Eugene definitely crime or beauty products Zahn teary how to manipulate your enemies? Toes would be awesome podcast ideas and the best way for them to start up their podcasts. Anchor Anchor is a one stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast. Best of all. It's one hundred percent free and ridiculously easy to use. And now anger can match you with great sponsors. Who want to advertise on your podcast. That means you can get paid to podcast right away. In fact that's what we're doing right now by reading this Ad. Wow so if you WANNA make a podcast about painting or skin care or emotionally manipulated ghost go to anchor dot. Fm Slash start to join us and the diverse community of podcasters already using anchor that anchor dot FM slash start. Hello everyone and welcome to Corona Conversation Anna Qalib and today we are reviewing the episode. Cassandra's revenge on big mid season finale. There was an episode and episode for the books. Wouldn't you say oh I would say but before we get into it? Let's do a little catching up. What's up with your life. I am going to take the final firm. I J term class this week and I'm flying back to university. My break is sadly coming to an end in a few days. Thought time. That's all I have to say. Welcome back to the real world. Come join us. I'm so sad I'M GONNA MISS. My little puppy so much. No little babies were flying back to school. But I'm going to be driving back home coming from school. Have my second ICE Rhodri. Yea well good to see you then and we to celebrate his birthday together. So that'll be fun. Well not fun for you because you have surgery but any less offensive surgery so I think all of the thankful for what I can get Our auntie said don't tell got his son know when uncle has done. She said that it went really well and he could like opened his eye with an hour so laser his doctor. The doctor said that I'm going to have to wear a patch for the first day so I don't think all the opening the I can i. Can I call you? Pirate Pete if you so choose can I call you horace? I mean the Free Country Intel cast comes and takes it over. That is so. Let's get down to business to defeat the Huns okay. Speaking of the Hud's I'm really excited about the new Milan movie coming out the trailer. Really good okay. Now they've got that way CASSANDRA's revenge. is the double-leg midseason finale. It was written by Ricky Roxburgh and story boarded by Anna. Leoni Caitlyn Ridder Windy Sullivan and Kuni. Tomita and it was directed by Tom. Caulfield and Shane's Alvin it. Also features two new original songs from Alan Menken. Ooh So let's Start by kind going through and talking about what we thought so. The episode opens up with this really beautiful like instrumental music. It's a lovely day birds chirping and flying over the city and then at least I know I paused for you. You interrupted me go ahead. I just loved the opener and the song so much. It was just a tangled tangled at. It's finest and you better tell everyone where you watched this episode so that I can publicly. Shame you for it. I wash my own guys. I've a very very nice screen. And it's not super small phone and the we I live out in the country and my phone gets better connection than my laptop so That's why I have to watch on my phone. I don't accept that. No one should ever watch anything longer than like a ten minute youtube video on their phone if you are someone who watches like a full length. Tv Like hour-long special or a movie on your phone. There is something wrong with you. Well someone's screaming. Lord Judgmental Today The opening song we start right off with the girl who has everything I thought it was a pretty nice on. It wasn't super memorable like I don't really remember how it goes but I do remember what it was about. And it was a good song to set up. You know that proposals the super privilege. Princess has everything she's ever wanted. I loved how she was doing her art and like the art was coming to life during the saw it was just so magical and I just love the opener. All the color is in disrepair like back in her positive like mindset being so happy and laid off but it was definitely like wow I can see why cast like has a bone to pick with you yes. It wasn't important song to set up. How costs about it and Since we learned last episode it's been months since all the Castro. The happened makes sense while pencils back to normal sunny so yeah there was a light in the song that I thought was kind of funny. Because it almost sounded like S- I mean kind of sounded like she was friends. Doni new gene in a way even though they're like obviously dated and stuff but it was just kind of funny 'cause she was like. Oh I love all my friends especially you gene. Like he was just a friend and I just made me laugh a little bit because I was like but sounds like he's not really the like more important to you than regular friend who was just. Kinda funny and I love. She had one of her and her mom and her aunt and I loved it when she and her aunt got to have a dry together. I missed that spunky aunt so I was glad they included her in the beautiful portraits. I'm glad you mentioned that because I wrote that down to is like the two. I really liked with ant. And then the one with red and angry and Eugene lands and how at first they were like enemies and then they were friends. I love how animations that she was Illustrating just Kinda came to life two. It was really cool and then I really like the thing I like most about the song is that lady Old Lady. Crawley apparently heard it and kind of hums to herself as she's walking down the hallway. Yeah that was pretty funny and then you gene to confront her and ask. She thinks it's the right time to propose and she says that she's Eugene is not her time I love how Eugene is so So nervous about it. Because he's been turned down twice now that he will literally ask Old Lady Crawley just to give himself some more confident he has no idea. If it's the right time this point yeah and like you and I totally called the proposal things like I think I can't remember. I know he predicted that. What of them would propose again in the next episode before the season's over and I was right for Rapunzel was thinking of proposing herself so I was. I was happy that we kind of predicted that a little bit and I think it was really cool that she wanted to propose on his birthday. Twist that she was. GonNa do it because I mean after turning him down twice. It is kind of on her. I feel like He. Honestly it's the NFL of a weird move for him to propose a third time after being turned down twice. I feel like I feel like you should get the hint that it's going to have to be heard to make the next move after you know getting turned down but and I kind of love it. 'cause I think repentance it'd be a little bit untraditional and be like yes. I want to ask you now Just kind of turned the tables on him. And it's funny because in our family There's been three different women in my family who have proposed to their spouse so I thought it was kind of funny but yeah I liked. Tally was having her make kind of that. Fido move be like. Hey we need to tie this. Not so yeah. What did you think of the ring she picked up? I thought it was really cool Then after that little intro song cuts away and shows US CASS and she has finally arriving at Coronas borders and she's got a cool new outfit. Yes her cool are is made from the Block Rock. So it's super durable. But I have to wonder exactly how She moves in it if it's made from rock. It's like flexible rock. I wonder how how like how come the is that. Like when she's sitting down she's literally sitting on a rock. I also loved like Eugene's Dad being back that he was still there and Republicans. Like so worried about Eugene. Finding out about The surprise party. She's planning because the dad let her know what day is actual birthday was and how he's actually turning and he's like. I didn't even think about it around him just to make sure that he wouldn't signed down the crazy crow. Dodd is back in his still. Has that quirk where he says what he's thinking like when he's like okay. Come to hi Fi Frederick. Yeah he's such a such a silly billy he in Frederick would get along really nicely now. That Frederick loosened up a bit My goodness I wonder. I wonder when his crow crow ever lays an egg about Frederick's GonNa Steal it his collection you won't have to steal it. He'll just the criminal. Just give it to them coming back to when they were trying to keep you gene for Friday. Doubt about the party and stuff. I love That landslide caught on so quick to repentance. Hint like Oh get him out of here. Give him like a a list to do for this fake party that were like coming up with. Keep him from finding out the real deal and lance was just so funny about his his list and like getting everything on less exactly right and it was just really funny. I really enjoyed that little moment. They had together. I was a little confused on. If that was a list of things. They actually need it or was it just a random list that she had lying around just randomly. I'm pretty sure it was actually for the party because I thought I saw some like a few of the items were party related like balloons or something but then almost it was like singer Song. Well maybe maybe she anticipated having to get Eugene out of the way and so she wrote it up ahead of time. Maybe it may be. So what do you think about the kind of the setup for the episode being that it's Eugene Party? I liked it. I like that. You Gene Eugene he no. He loves talk about himself. And so it was like the cake was of his face and everything I thought that was so funny And it was really really interesting how they all hung up about his age. Yeah that'd be so interested. I thought I was wondering how you feel about that because we always talk about how funny their age gap is in. He confirms that he is officially twenty six today. His really feeling his age. He's like wow. I mean imagine scary. That'd be to realize like your your life like your days are already so numbered and then being like wow. I have a whole less year of life than I thought I would have. I wrote down. It reminds me a lot of if you read the book the candy makers by Wendy Mass it reminds me a lot of daisy because she the same thing happens to her basically she finds out. She's a year older than she was in so she finds out that she missed her big like official teenage coming of Age Party. So a just a year might not sound like a big realization. It does mean that all your milestones off. Yeah that is Kinda. That's very weird and I was. I was lucky kind of annoyed because they always get interrupted like right before like right before they can answer so like Republicans like just about pose and then like cast bursts. It and I was like no because at the coronation like very similar happens where she liked. Can't really answer because Fillon pops in so I just what I wanted to be? Like right after Poza where he says yes and then cast can come in as like I was so close. But but how do you feel now? That Eugene's ages officially confirmed as twenty six. Well he acts like he's too so balances out kind of funny because we've always talked about that and then they give like this like Yup. Okay you want to know how this all the. It's a surprise to him too. I thought it was really sweet though his dad knew about it and kind of planned planned So he could officially give them real birthday. But I'm kind of didn't tell us what day it is. It would have been kind of Nice to know so we can celebrate you know as a Fan community like in January twentieth or something. I mean I guess we can say that it's the day the episode came out which would be January twenty. Sixth Twenty fifth. Isn't that twenty today. Oh my goodness so. Eugene is a January Baby. Oh that makes sense though. It came out on the twenty six piece turning twenty six thousand good schedules things the way they do. I guess so kind of makes sense in this case the twenty sixth of January. Okay but yes right right on time to spoil the engagement which we kind of predicted as a funny thing remember we were like will you marry me and then. Casandra like no. If it's Herbert cazar ruined everything. I'm wondering so she comes in and she's like swell party guessing. My invitation lost in the mail. How Long Do you think she workshop? That expect there to be a party when she burst editor. I mean I feel like she probably surveyed the scene a little bit. I was Kinda confused. They seemed like so surprised that she came to corona. But why didn't they expect to come to corona? I mean. She obviously had beef over puzzle at? She's big odd for Bud. So obviously I would think it'd be logical. They expect you to show up sooner or later. Will I mean they were probably trying not to? I mean it's not something you really want to think about and after it's been months so I feel like if she was gonna come back they would expect her to come right back but since she stayed away for so long they probably were just trying to put it out of their minds. I mean obviously all their attention was on this part is you don't really think about you know that happening at that time. Cast you perfect. I like to think that she planned it on purpose. So that she could ruin Eugene's birthday his birthday was maybe she did. Maybe the ghost told her. Maybe I really loved Lances Little Bit with the popcorn. Two dollars funny. I'm glad you said that 'cause I screened to that and I tweeted out. This is all of us today. Yep Very humorous yet but the whole first confrontation does not really go at all. How I expected it costs. Just kinda walks in and she slices herself a piece of cake and she even shuts the door on her way back out. Yeah she's very neat and tidy. It was yeah. I was not expecting that at all. I mean it. Wasn't it really a standard kind of villain reintroduction expected at least slam the door? You know I think she shouted pretty pretty normally. Yeah it was. Kinda weird how she said. Oh you know there's only like You know ex cons to advise you now and I thought that was kind of a weird line because reponsible has parents who are royalty to advise so I was like what do you mean like. She's still not like a lot of like wise people router to advise it. I was just kind of a weird weird lying. And then she says lance she says the only advisers you have left are ex convicts and losers but I thought it might have been a better line to say ex convicts and children because reading angry. You seem to be in the inner circle. Now that's true that's true and technically to land said that ever been convicted of anything that everyone caught to be convicted. That was funny and I also thought it was funny when Eugene Votes. He needed to clarify whether you felt that he had to clarify that. He did not wish for cast to come back did he was that secretly. His wish they collaborated yeah. I thought it was interesting. That after last week's incident with the moisturizer he has this whole age. Dilemma TALKS ABOUT NEEDING. A skin tightening serum. Yeah I just felt bad for me. He's only twenty cents makes it sound like he's a Geezer. I guess it's just when he's you know Interrelationship with puzzle. He just feels so much older. Because of the gap between them maybe maybe he has a lot of life. You know life of Crime. Really Ages you. I just loved it when we got to see vary again. Because they felt that the scroll was with varying because he was doing some testing deciphering with it and I was so funny with his little mineral content and then he gets embarrassed when they come in. I died it was so funny. Variant has a pretty big feature this episode. I Love Marianne. Yes Jeremy Jordan. Oh his dog was so good. Yeah so Basically when cast stormed into the party she says that she wants the scroll and she'll give them some time to think about it And then re runs vary in because he has the scroll but then of course Cassandra tailed her. Yeah you should have been a little more discreet about that. Yeah I mean I guess the the party excitement and the proposal excitement in the cast unexpected entrance. Everything Kinda went to her head But they get the Than Cassandra starts causing some chaos and unleashes a giant boulder whatever. It is After Eugene lands and Max Yeah and and you could see like cast is shaken like a little bit with Pennzoil says in the ghost girl like appears and says like Oh you got to refocus on your goal your mission and I really think she is a she is a ghost or like she was a ghost Pretty pretty explicit confirmation here because nobody can see or hear her. Yeah so yeah I was GONNA say no she. S kind of. I mean yeah so. I thought that was interesting. A haunting CASSANDRA. Yeah so that was kind of sad to see her pop. No cast keep focusing on this story and your arch rival Blah Blah Blah. Yeah Real quick before we move on. I just want to highlight the fact that Max did a backflip and landed on the boulder and capped his balance with to fully grown men on his back. He's very athletic. And also when Knox an Eugene fell into the cavern land single handedly pool you know. Stop Them from falling a horse girl. I was thinking about that. You got guns on you bro. Yes during that scene I was Kinda confused because the the boulder starts to tip and land. Eugene start to fall and I thought the reponsible is GonNa go save them but then it looks like she's running the other way and I was so confused because I was like. Why are you ready to go save them but then? I guess she was holding up the boulder so they could escape but I thought she was going to go pull them out so I was so confused at first because I thought she was just like. See you guys later. She's like every princess for herself. Only by one quote I wrote down from CASS IN REPRISAL CONFRONTATION. Here is that Castrate up tells her. My mother chose you over me Even though off puzzles hurt by Goth. Those actions Cassandra like I mean it would be kind of a hard thing to deal with. If your own mother chooses to kidnap another little girl instead of his one. She already legally as well. I Made Magic tear child or Normal Chai. Which would you rather So it seems like I mean Cassandra's not really angry Angry at what repel reminds her of which is her mother. Yeah not choosing to be with her. Yeah I feel sorry for varian because the all this drama between cast puzzle gets results in his entire lab being destroyed when he you know has no idea about what's going on and he didn't go on the road trip with them and he's not involved in this in this beef them but he is like the collateral damage that the whole episode. Yeah and Whitaker Poor Whitaker Ruddiger. Isn't it a whitaker you're right? It's ready to go. I thought I said what occurred the episode. I was confused yet. He has a twin brother than whittaker. Yeah like what for some reason? I thought it's just the way the pronounce it confuses me sometimes rutgers kind of odd name as you're saying that she kind of cast uses varied to Get Like what she needs like. She's him as the means to an end so she kidnaps him and takes him to this layer. She creates an Lizzy was saying that it really reminded her of like Elsa which makes the rocks and like her her cool middle layer because like alpha. Does that like with your point. The ice from the ground and I was like no and the Mara washed. I was like yeah. It is very reminiscent of Elsa because she always use your hands to like flush out ice spikes and now it's rock spikes instead at certain really kind of reminiscent of Ice Palace. Though I think CASSANDRA's a little bit more overtly villainous than Elsa but yeah yeah so she brings varian back to her her hideout and she gives him a true Sierra after she knocks him out and she says and lucky for you. Lucky for me. You sleep with their mouths open. Because he's like it kind of just showed you know cast is one step ahead of them. Yeah and she's still. She's still her very snarky. Self so yeah so poor commode yeah. Poor varying was forced to to say the incantation when he really didn't want to. I felt bad for something. I thought they might. You know do something with the potential romance between them. Since he had the truth serum and she might something might come out of that but I guess not well she. She already knew that he liked her so she did ask him any questions. Okay who is the opposite? Very totally would've asked her but anyway they get. I'm kind of glad you get married. Because they get this amazing. Soggy were varied like no. I've been evil and it sucks and you lose who you are and you need to come back to us. And she's like I don't have anything else to lose and OH German Jordan's voice is just amazing and eat into a wonderful job as well. I'm pretty yeah I think before before the song What prompts the song is that varian. Kind of says she's the villain and I thought it was really funny when she said is what I am. I was like CASS. Honey you literally wearing black spikes and you're singing about darkness while you're fighting your friends come. Yeah it's kind of interesting. Didn't think of herself as a villain. Necessarily she just thought of just taking what was rightfully hers. Shame think about how it would affect people. Maybe necessarily mean you all have. Everyone thinks of themselves as the hero of their own story about that story. Spikes come on. You're going to grow. Who Sings too? Are you saying that people who are black spikes are come on okay so I? I was a little annoyed that wraps in cast get their rat battle Song that the more I thought about it the more I realized that at this point varian was kind of the best person to reach her. Because she's harboured all these feelings toward puzzle all these months now and so they're basically at this point. I feel like there's nothing they can really say to each other because there are so cemented in their feelings toward each other. I mean wraps no. I'm not going to engage with you. I'm not going to give you a reason to hate me and it's like I don't care you soul everything from the bow tie feel about you and so there is like the he has to speak with her goth to gough and sing song so that you can reach or because he's even says like. I'm sorry I know this is your fault. Yeah so I thought it was kind of a cool thing. But he's the one who gets that big emotional song and the shot where they were circling around the Kimbler circling around them as they like each other is really breathtaking on the Arctic Bat. Songs definitely GONNA go down as one of the best. Yes definitely anyway so yeah so after that cave like confrontation and everything She liked built her her rock. Tower thing up and Lizzy was pointing out. I didn't get this at first. But she built like the tower on top of where Mother Gospels Tower stood. And I get that I really interesting because they really made a point to emphasize like this is what's missing. What what did you think all those scraps of old paintings were I i? Yeah that's obviously a tower and I was like no that's weird and then I finally got it and I was like wow I guess you're right because she did paint that a while ago and that was a really interesting call back and everything like that they chose to set it up there But anyway yeah we're pencil was really really a power. Move by Cassandra to make rapunzel revisit that trauma. Yeah and so you. Gene is like oh where she or someone is and runs. Like I think I know where this obvious. Rock Tower there. Let's go look for her there and then them trying to get it was kind of funny. All the hijinks of the sap and everything I I was on board with Lances Plan in theory but an execution. It wasn't so bright they were doing that. I was reading note about like I'd be it'd be funny. If cast was watching them and then literally shows her laughing about. I could watch them all day. Yeah that was pretty funny at this point. She has the power and so her neck step isn't really clear. She's kind of content to just sit back and watch but then the blue girl of course has to stir up more strife. Like No. You need to have that final confrontation now because we eventually learn. She's angrily to have a full on clash between son and mood because somehow that will release her from her spiritual prison. Yeah Yeah that was I. Don't think either you are. I would expect the ending of this episode because I was like what I was expecting it to resolve the drama between them but it turns out this was kind of like the I mean it was the mid season and this was kind of the mid point So it seems like CASS is destined not to come back to them until at least the finale. I feel like this plan. I mean obviously the blue haired girl is going to be a villain and cast is going to help. Take Down Probably. Hopefully she's not really blue anymore is she? She's more of a like a vampire. No wonder cast was attracted to be her underling because cast is very often. She's very goth as well. Loved Scoff Representation. My goodness fun fact. I dyed my hair completely block when I was in middle school. I was not a good luck. Fear Your skit Berkeley Vampire you were. It was like a good. It was a good time to look like a vampire though. Love Vampire books and fiction and shows were out there so they were they were had a positive light a little bit in the media so it was a good time to look like a vampire so basically the final act is rapunzel confronting cast while Eugene Talks to varian out on his little spindly arm which reminded me a series of unfortunate events win. Sunny Baudelaire is kept that tower in the first book. Yeah I didn't even think about that. You're right think about the henchman without the hands. I oh he's he's so funny. I I love. Oh by the way. Apparently Net flicks is also going to make a series of the Prequel all the wrong questions series about limiting kids. My goodness excited in the same director. Who did the series is going to be so it will have the same easy. So that's going to be cool if I know it's crazy. And what I found out to from net flicks. They just announced that Goma girls a year in the life is getting a second season. I did not think they were going to do it but they are. And I just couldn't believe IT I. I didn't really like a your life. A lot of people don't like the in life but I mean there are some really big questions at the end of the year in the life so it will be interesting to see how they answer them off. So I'm GonNa Watch it because I'm a fan even if I don't like them I'm GonNa Watch them. 'cause I've watched everything five for about an with an E. So I was I wasn't I wasn't quite done with I character placement. And so that's going on up above lance and Max and read. An angry are doing their best to get to the drama and try to find the action but much to read an angry. Chagrin lands does not know what he's doing. He said we have to go down to go up. Going up to go up is too simple. Yeah that was pretty funny. They're very silly little. I mean a little annoying because I was like. Why did you guys split up in the first place but I guess cast with Or Self Yeah. They had to have a little showdown and I cannot believe that vary in like the blue girl comes him in a dream and he kind of takes to heart what she says about finding the fourth incantation that it will set cast free or whatever and I was like no vary no. Why would you believe this weird blue disembodied baby had wherever thing and dream like? Why what are you doing like why? Why using this for like kind of knowing what it might lead to you like I was so nervous I was like. She's totally tricking them. Obviously like why are they walking me this again? Tation because like that one time when we're pencils saying being Asian the really know what it did like you know. Everybody's the lifeguard drain so be careful about that Yeah I was confused. Why is she was helping them at first But then I guess seen it from varian side he probably just woke up and didn't really I mean he just remembered the advice he didn't really think about. Oh why did this random blue girl tell me? He wasn't with them. When repel chanted incantation in the yeah that is true? That's true and I mean I guess too. He's also fourteen you know he doesn't have great decision making skills yet so. I probably panicked. You know trying to solution to get out of there and they burned the actual school dot. I thought it was funny because repent zone. Eugene were standing together and she's like could use this and they're having that moment and then Cassandra like makes this big bump hathen and she's not come on guys run interrupt this heartfelt moment. You need to come come to me beyond the and then. They have their big epic battle. It's pretty cool. Rapunzel has glowing eyes and everything and she's floating over the ground. Yeah she's such a creepy like Golden Ghost. I don't even know it's very interesting. And Yeah we kinda see like during the battle like with her with her golden flash of light with her power she singing this fourth incantation that bring the sun and moon like together. Whatever into alignment Their forces like combined or whatever It was interesting. I could see like the Moonstone Shatter. The peace falls out. I had this premonition. I was like I bet like. That's at the ghost. Free Alexi stuck in the moonstone factors like she's set free and that's exactly what happens We kind of end the episode with The ghost being free and I was a little little confused. How things wrapped up. Because Cassandra falls off the edge and we learned that she survives re Pencil. Do they not know that she survived? That was so weird. I felt like they'd like didn't care about her three like I. I'm very confused about what happened. Because it kind of just like wrapped up and they were just kind of went on their merry way or whatever after like cast fell down and they were free to leave to search for a body. Yeah yeah like they were like. Oh let's go home. Nothing got resolved like I am very confused about why they just feel like they could leave without like fighting casts. Because if he's alive you know they would think she saw threat because they don't really know about the blue girl. Let's let's get into our our final thoughts about this episode. I guess now that you mentioned That I kind of agree that it felt like nothing. Really this upsurge. Generally really I get prolong the conflict and it gave us some nice songs. But I didn't feel awful lot of progress happening with Kasai Jan Rapunzel I mean the blue girls out which I guess is the end game. They were going for but it seemed like a pencil. And Cassandra just reiterate in their same old differences and so I would have liked. Some progress happened between them. Well I mean I feel like like you said like. They just can't get anywhere else because they like their where they can't listen or like here each other effectively anymore so I thought there was some progress with casts regarding various like I felt like he did get to her on some level Sometimes I think it was a little bit of progress made with that but yeah like nothing really happened like to heal any conflicts necessarily and yeah and also the blues out now like I'm so freaked out about. She's so scary. I thought she was so scary. A CISCO doesn't think she's that scary Lewis he's like oh she's a dumb villain but it was remind me of the baby had from gravity falls footer out and her evil smile gives me chills. It's so I didn't think she was very scary. Up to this point but in this episode she does a lot more smiling and her smile is not a good look no and then she comes out and Alex Gray and creepy and give us not not fun so overall this was it was. It was a good episode. The action was really cool. There is some good funny pirates. We did get some Eugene and repeal progress on their proposal so I will. I did like that. They didn't officially make it official. Though did they just happened. I think they wanted to let things settle down a bit. I but this is the time at the climax. Be Like Hey baby you could die literally tomorrow. Let's get engaged. I feel like they know that they are though because they were both going to propose. So I mean if you're asking the other than tech exactly this just put the rings on so that was nice overall. I think I I like to do as a good episode it. I still think the season two midseason finale might be my favorite of the mid season finale. But this was a really cool action packed episode And Varian and Cassandra Song is definitely Super good yet. It is awesome. Okay so I- three minutes before I leave to wrap up right now all right. Our next stop isn't anywhere. Our next stop is going to be race to the spire. Repel an old friend. Calliope race to the spire in an attempt to stop cast from acquiring a deadly weapon. Oh it's Kelly up. It's the one that you hate. One is she. She's the one from the bear episode where they had to go find that piece of the scroll and like the museum. He perspire much. So I'm excited to be reintroduced to her and unexcited that they're still on the cast trail. It'll be interested so we will see you guys next week. You can continue the conversation with us on twitter at Corner podcast or by emailing conversation at a dot com. If you're enjoying the podcast will free to tell everyone you know about it and leave. Us Vice Review wherever you listen to podcasts. Chris yes we love to hear and thank you so much for listening until next time Don't free and he goes girls with a weird incantation if you have any conflict with your friends just seeing a three minute power ballad. Exactly five for now.

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Love Never Fails // In The Beginning (feat. Mandy Wootton)

Life Together

31:49 min | 8 months ago

Love Never Fails // In The Beginning (feat. Mandy Wootton)

"Welcome welcome back. welcome home. This is tracey and we want to thank you for being a part of the life together. Podcast before we get into this week's teaching. We want you to know that you matter to god and you matter to us. Life together is a wednesday evening gathering for worship bible study and community here at okrika separately of god in oak creek wisconsin. Before i graduated high school i moved in and out of about ten different school situations. So in the period of twelve thirteen years i was in and out of public school into homeschool into private school in international school back into public school and homeschool in school and then international school and finally i was done and you know with all the moving that i did. I never really felt a huge anxiety about moving. I learned to meet a lot of different people comfortably but my biggest fear whenever i moved was who in the world. I'm going to sit with the lunch table. I don't know anyone here. What if i'm eating by myself and everyone's watching me chew awkwardly in the corner. That was my biggest fear. And i think that childhood fear king kind of exemplify. What's an all of our hearts. Is that we all want a place to belong a place that we can feel comfortable in our own skin a place that we have community and someone to come alongside with us in life to do life together and in this community in the body of christ in the fellowship of fellow believers that we find. God's tangible unfailing love working in us in reaching out to us and working through us and over the next couple of months. We're going to dig deep into john's. I love letter to the church. And he has a ton to say about what. God's love looks like he actually doesn't talk about god's love and our first chapter tonight but he sets a foundation for talking about god's love and the way that impacts our lives and our community for the rest of the letter we can only begin to understand the tangible nature of god's unfailing love by discovering the framework that god himself built for us in the very beginning we all want this community this place of fellowship and god offers that to us built on our very particular framework that he built. So let's go ahead and go to i. John chapter one. John rights we proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning whom we have heard and seen we saw him with our very own eyes. Touched him with our own hands. He is the word of life. This one who is life itself was revealed to us and we have seen him and now he testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who is eternal life. He was with the father and then he was revealed to us. So let's not get too far in our bible study without acknowledging how john is responsible the second man responsible for writing most of the old tests the new testament. So the apostle paul wrote most of the new testament. John comes in a close second place. Because he's responsible for writing. I sean second john and third john. The fourth letter to the church would be revelation the very last book of the bible and then he also wrote a gospel of count of jesus's life and teaching. This was his first hand account of what he witness. Christ do and say. John was incredibly familiar with jesus much like i john chapter one verse one which says we proclaim to you. The one who existed from the beginning john also up his own gospel account of jesus's life and teaching and much the same way. And that's where we go and we look at john's gospel. John chapter one verses one through three in the beginning the word already existed. The word was with god and the word was god he existed in the beginning with god. God created everything through him and nothing was created except through him so in john one. We have the beginning of a first hand. Witness account of jesus's life and teaching that starts within the beginning the word already existed and again we hear it echoed and i john chapter one verse one. He repeats his opening idea with we proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning whom we have heard and seen and here you have it. The framework of christian doctrine in a nutshell the eternal word of god put on skin close to come do life together with us so that we too can know god in his name. is jesus notice. How in his letter. I john. John takes time to emphasize his personal experience with jesus. Jesus isn't simply an idea to him or someone that he has second hand information of a hearsay story of. I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend. In the beginning of jesus's ministry. Jesus spent time gathering and calling his team his disciples. These disciples would become the pillars of his church and would work hard defying opposition enduring suffering and growing and holy spirit grit to build the pillars of faith. That holds up christ church until jesus returns someday. And that's the tricky part about building a sound building. You have an architect who comes up with a really cool idea but then you have an engineer. Who talks about well. We need steel structure to hold this thing up. We need a framework to hold up this building with all of the feet and feet of snow that we've been receiving. My kids have just been in wonderland i think. They think they're in the movie frozen. And they're like making this ice palace that they can see chandeliers and fight off bad guys and stuff because as they come home and they did through the snow they did before it turned into ice. And they'll like build tunnels in the snow. And i think they have this really grandiose idea of. I'm going to build a fortress until their little brother or sister walks on their fortress and like stamps in the arc that was holding the whole structure up and it all comes came down and then it just doesn't work anymore. And so when i walk into a building on the fifth floor walking out of the elevator want my first step out of the elevator to land me on the first floor of the building because the floor is not built. Well because there's a strong framework. Jesus church is a framework of pillars. That is eternal. it's gonna last forever. And that he started construction of of this framework in the very beginning which takes us to our first point in the beginning. Jesus built a pillar of truth tellers. One of the truth tellers in the church is john the apostle he's the guy who wrote i john. The first who've recorded disciples. Jesus calls peter and andrew and then the next set of brothers he calls is james and john in this makes john one of the first truth tellers. Out of all of the disciples out of all the pillars of the church and looks account. Jesus had already turned water into wine. He had cast out demons. He had healed people he would. He was baptized. And he was already accumulating crowds from all over israel all over the area and they were interested in hearing what he had to say so one day jesus was preaching to the crowds by a lake and the crowds became so thick that they couldn't see him anymore because they were pressed in around him and they also couldn't hear him very well because he didn't have a microphone and so for acoustics and for visibility. Jesus grabbed the closest fishermen. There was a guy who is sitting there with his brother mending his net. They were frustrated. They were tired fist all night hat and caught a thing and they were trying to clean their net so they could go at it again the next night and jesus had hey will you take me out on your boat so that we can preach to these people and they're like yeah sure we don't have anything better to do. I mean there's no fish to clean or anything so let's go out on the boat and so they take hit jesus out on the boat and jesus finish his sermon and then he leans over the guys and he says hey. Why don't you go out to the deep casts your nets into the deep and these guys were like well. We fished all night. But i guess you know it's worth another try and so they go out and here we see john for the first time are possible. John was with his brother. James in his boat when they saw their partners cast their nets yet again and he must have been thinking. Why are they doing that. There's no fish out there. What is going on and i can imagine how john must have moved from a stunned to wow. They just caught a ton of fish to realizing that peter was saying john. James get over here are nets are breaking. Our boat is going to sink. We need your help. And so jon rushes over to help his friends pull in this amazing amount of fish and only the creator. Only the word of life would know that the sh- anew shoal of fish had come up from the deep to be caught at his word and obedience. john is thought to be the youngest of jesus's disciples and on that day at sea. John's young life was forever changed. The smell of fish was heavy in the air in the salt was sticking to his skin and making this hair course. Jon heard the voice of the savior looked at jesus close enough to see a gleam of humor in his is the glow of affection and the tears of pain that we're eventually formed from the cross on his dying day. Jesus is the disciple who is close enough to christ at the last supper to lena's head over and whisper a question and jesus is ear. John is known as the disciple whom jesus loved. John was a friend a close friend. Of jesus john knew jesus he experienced. Jesus miracles firsthand. John her the pitch of jesus's voice when he said come follow me. John witnessed the labored breathing. Jesus when he heard jesus asked him to take care of mother as he hung dying from the cross. I have a grandma who went to heaven this year. And i can tell you about my grandma. But if you had any doubt in your heart that i actually had a grandma. How would i prove that. I had a grandma right. If you cared up to know and refute that with me but you might ask me to prove that. My grandma exists. You could choose not to believe me. But i could tell you of my first hand experience that i know my grandma that when i walk through a kitchen the i smell. That greeted me was downey april. Fresh mix with tight original and her towel laundry. I could describe her hands in the way that she held her paring knife as she peeled potatoes for her family and because i've held her hand and because i've heard her voice calling my name because i've eaten her world class cooking. I can tell you about my grandma. Because i've experienced my grandma firsthand. John is legitimizing his authority as a pillar of truth sayer and god's kingdom he saying to the turkey says listen up. I've not only heard about jesus. I've touched him. i've seen him. I've heard him. I went fishing with him. I heard his voice echo across the plane. When he preached to the multitudes i help gather basketfuls of fish and bread after he performed a miracle. And now that. I've experienced the word of life for myself. I proclaim to you so that you can also do life together with me. And with the word of life with god and with his very own son jesus christ. In the beginning. John is telling us. God's love is made tangible and the person in the physical person of jesus you see a lot of people during during john's time had some struggles with several different ideas that threatened the foundations of the church. It was almost like there was a snow structure and they wanted to go and stomp out every arc that was holding the snow structure up and just watch it crumble and fall. They were saying that. Jesus couldn't have actually physically come in the flesh because flashes evil and only spirit is good. They were saying that you have to have the specific word knowledge in order to achieve salvation almost like a magic spell or sorcery. They were saying that there was no body of christ and john was saying. Hey if there's no physical body of the incarnate word of god then we would not have the death on the cross. If there was no physical body of the word of god he wouldn't have rose from the dead and therefore we would not have fellowship with god listened to me. I have authority. I know. Jesus i've experienced jesus. Here's john loudly proclaiming. The word of life had indeed come in the flesh to give us fellowship with himself and with his father. there is truth to the person of christ. The truth of christ is not an people's opinion not in people's feary. The truth of christ is in the word of god in the way that god has revealed himself to us in legitimate ways. In the way that we've experienced god's love we can proclaim the word of life to people. Have you ever been there too. I think about the people who are spreading rumors. Maybe they thought this is too easy. I've got to fix this and make this a little bit more spiritual and have you ever been there to thinking that you aren't smart enough to get the whole christian walk thing. Maybe you're not spiritual enough to get it or that real christian living as reserved people who talk a lot. A lot and two microphones or go live overseas missionaries. That cannot be farther from the truth. The truth is that if you listen to. The eyewitness accounts of people like john from the bible of concerning who jesus in i witness accounts of jesus his followers right here right now in the world today. If you believe the one that they're talking about then you too can have a place of fellowship. And have that communion with god and with jesus you can know the tangible love of god and god's tangible love is at work and your life in every moment of your every day you can have firsthand experience relationship with god through jesus which takes us to our next pillar that jesus established and building his church that That we see in first. John in the beginning christ built a pillar of fellowship. I john one three three or four says we proclaim to you what we ourselves of actually seen hurt so that you may have fellowship with us in our fellowship is with the father and with his son. Jesus christ we're writing these things so that you may fully share our joy fellowship was in the beginning so god is the designer of relationships because he himself is the being of relationship he wants to have relationships and he has designed us to find our place of belonging first of all him and then with other believers to we see this at the very very beginning of the book so john wrote the last book of the book and the first book of our bible genesis one through three says. In the beginning. God created the heavens and the earth the earth was formless and empty and darkness covered the deep waters in the spirit of god was hovering over the surface of the waters. Then god said let there be light and there was light through a series of events. God created all creation. Everything that we see all the animals and plants and universe god formed and put it together but he saved the crown of creation for his last workday. Adam and eve he created humans and he didn't just create them to watch and see what they do and how they interact. God created them to interact with. There's a verse. Genesis that talks about god coming down to walk with adam and eve and the cool of the day i just think about maybe not right now but like in the summer when the when the weather's nice we just wanna spend time with people that we oh close to. Hey it's beautiful. We just finished dinner. Let's go for a walk outside. It's so pretty. God wants to walk with us in the cool of the day. There's no purpose in it. He just wants to have relationship. He wants to have relationship with us and he made us for that. You were made for fellowship with god and you were made to have fellowship with others is writing this letter to the church to invite people back into that same fellowship that we were originally designed for from the very beginning of everything fellowship simply means community like people coming together but the fellowship of the family of god is more than that. It's a shared experience. I ever relationship with god the father and you have a relationship and were brothers and sisters in christ and were family that kind of fellowship. Can i just tell you. I love the church. I mean i really like oh creek. Assembly of god and i'm not just saying that because i have to. I really like this church. And i'm so glad that god moved us up here from oklahoma. Even though it's crazy cold outside. I love it that much but i love the body of christ. I love the church. I've i've worshipped with the body of christ in america and all around the world and international churches worship god in a language. I like i didn't understand people would be singing and tie in preteen and tie. I didn't have enough time. But i knew i can worship lord because these people are worshiping. You and i don't know what language this is but i love you and i love that these people love you too. We'd love you together. it's awesome. I've worked took beautiful. And i forced him god and walmart when meeting a fellow christian for the first time. I've never met from adam. But i know that we're related. I'm going to see them one day in heaven because i share fellowship with them. I've worship god around my lunch tables. When i've had bible studies with friends at school and outside of outside of my house. The body of christ expands across all time across all space talk about equity the body of christ expands across all races and socio economic class. The body of crisis equal ground. That we all come together at the foot of the cross and we say a father we are yours. You bought us and we've love you so much. I love love the church and the fellowship of god as the body of christ. We have a job to do to be the light to the world to share. God's tangible love with everybody around us so they can be called into the same fellowship. That we as christians are called into you put. John is establishing here. When john was writing to the church emphasis in asia minor. they didn't have the canon of scripture. They made up have had access to the torah. Like the original five books of the old testament or the psalms or things like that but they didn't have the new testament put together. They were getting letters from the apostles from from people who were mature in the faith. They didn't have the bible to be like. I'm having a bad day. Let me look up a scripture reference for that or. I'm struggling with temptation. I should make sure that. That's a sin. Maybe it's a sin. Maybe it's not and they definitely didn't have google to say google. How do i pray through. Depression john is saying. Hey trust me. i've experienced christ. I'm a truth teller. You can trust me and you can come into the same fellowship that i've experienced with. Jesus come join me in that. He says we are writing these things. So that you may fully share our joy that joy that john was talking about in the fellowship of believers is a life shaping and pain defying joy. This joy was willing to pursue fellowship through any obstacle john finds joy when someone comes into fellowship with christ or joins the community of christians. And there's no greater joy than the joy of being in fellowship with god. That kind of joy motivated john when he lost his brother. James to martyrdom through with a sword that kind of joyce sustained john when he was banished to the island where it was just criminals and how scary that must have been. But god's joy gave him strength. That kind of joy gave john strength when he was dipped in boiling or ill in front of a coliseum full of spectators watching and miraculously coming out unscathed reason that john wrote difficult and corrective. Letters to the early. Church is so that you may have fellowship with us and our fellowship is with the father and with his son. Jesus christ we are writing these things. So that you may fully share and that kind of joy. John establishes the authority his authority as a christ or daintree teller and then he tells us audience why he's writing to them so that they an we could experience a tangible love of god through fellowship with him and then john addresses the third pillar of framework that christ established in the beginning. And we see this pillar in the final verses of our chapter tonight. This is the message we heard from. Jesus and now declare to you. God is light and there's no darkness in him at all so we are lying if we say we have fellowship with god but go on living and spiritual darkness practicing the truth but if we are living in the light as god is in the light then we have fellowship with each other and the blood of jesus. His son cleanses us from all sin. If we claim we have no sin. Were only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth but if we confess our sins to him he is faithful and just to forgive us. Our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned. We're calling god a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts in the beginning. Christ built the pillar of authentic obedience so first of all. We can't have a relationship with god just by saying that we do or thinking that we do. We must live in the light of god's correction. He's the boss. We have to be submissive to what he says. Right let his way is not what we think it is and definitely not what the world says it is if we live in the light with god then we actually have christ community if we live in the light then we're honest with our struggles and our sins with each other and with jesus and that's so hard a lot of times. The holy spirit shines a flashlight and the dark places that are of our hearts whether we know about them or not and i think our natural first reaction is shame. You can't believe that was actually there. Or i can't believe you actually found that i wanted to hide it or i never thought i would be tempted in that way. I never thought my habits would come to this. And when the holy spirit convicts us we have two choices number one. We can try to bury the season covered up. We try to deny live in denial. That's even there and we don't let anyone dare know about that. Sin or number two. We could drag that sent out. That thought that behavior out kicking and screaming into god's light talk to another mature person who we can trust. Who will actually pray with you and show you compassion. And we can confess that sin to the lord knowing that he will forgive us. There have been times when i've struggled with the senate unforgiveness and it's kind of send that just keeps like okay. I'm glad i resolved. That might go on there. I thought it was dawn. And the lord will convicts me of it again and there was a period in college where i was really struggling with unforgiveness and i didn't even realize it until the lord was like mandy. That's unforgiveness and you need to forgive. Like i forgave you. Otherwise i can't forgive you according to my word and so when the holy spirit whispered that into my heart. He showed me a just a really dark corner. At first i try to shove it away and kind of ignore the voice of the holy spirit. I tried to. I try to justify it like well. I'm not gonna forgive because they haven't said sorry and then i lived in denial for a little bit like. Oh it's fine. i'll just deal with it. Feel better tomorrow or sometimes their sins. That i think well. It's not as bad as that person and do we really have to deal with it. And then sometimes we try to justify it and say well. It's okay because because of this circumstance lord see this. This is bad enough. That i can hold on to this grudge. But praise the lord for the holy spirit's persistence in our lives. That he doesn't let us off the hook that as annoying as it is. Sometimes he keeps prodding and poking those places in our lives because he loves us enough that he knows that keeps us good fellowship with god and with others and during john's day there were people in the church saying that someone send than they weren't actually saved and if you're a christian than you'll never struggle with temptation again if your really a christian if you're really spiritual than you're never gonna send again if you send that means. You're not actually saved and johns correcting that. He's saying that if if you say that you're without sin it's worse than being into nihil is saying god you are a liar and i. I do not want to be in that place. Sin loses power over us when we drag it into the light while i struggled with it for awhile for myself by myself and then i thought well i'm just gonna you know i'm just going to try to get over it and then that didn't work and then i prayed about it and god here's our prayers and you helps us when we pray but i think god wanted this to be teachable lesson in my life because it kept nagging nagging and nagging and finally i talked to older christian who i trusted to keep my confidence and i trusted to give godly advice to me. I said well you just pray for me. I want to let go of this unforgiveness. I want to let go of this grudge. And i just for some reason. I just can't and together. We prayed over. That and god broke in the community and the fellowship of believers god broke that stronghold that was holding my heart captive and i was able to love and forgive and let that go and experienced the grace and mercy of god in my own heart sin loses power when we drag it into the light are first tem. Tation is to bury it or to ignore it and god is saying. Don't do that. Confess your sins i want you to have fellowship with me. I want you to have fellowship with other believers. The lord loves us enough to call us into authentic obedience to not pretend christianity the lord is after more than our religious devotion the lord is after our heart and our soul and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us. Not by our works. He cleanses us from all and righteousness. God wants us to live an authentic obedience with him. I john chapter one reminds us today of timeless framework that jesus set in place for us his body his church. Jesus is the solid foundation. And he gave us pillars rebar to strengthen the framework that john establishes the first chapter of his letter. God's love is made tangible in our lives through the pillar of truth tellers. Who are the truth tellers and your life and how is your heart when they tell you the truth and love. Are you defensive. Do you reject deny do you are you. We need to listen to the truth. Tellers that god has put in our lives because truth tellers have experienced fellowship with god and truth tellers. Our gift from god. And if we listen to or truth tellers it will bring us into good fellowship with not only god which is enough but also establishes trust among the fellowship of believers. When we grow in truth we lean on the pillar of fellowship. We need to do life together with people who share truth of god and who he is and what he has done are you leaning into that fellowship or are you trying to grunt through this journey alone. Are you trying to face temptation by yourself. Because you're shame to bring it to the open or maybe because you think that you can do it and you can just get through it by yourself. We are not by ourselves in this we are a fellowship of believers and that is a gift that jesus has given to all of us in this room. Tonight and god's desire to have relationship with us calls us to find strength in the pillar of authentic obedience and not in pretending week christianity. Let's pray lord. Thank you so much for your foundation. Thank you jesus for your life. Thank you for your rock solid firm footing that give us and then jesus thank you for the gift of your church. Thank you that you loved us enough not to help us not to just leave us to get through this alone but lord you gave us a fellowship with others. You've you've given us grace calling into authentic obedience lord. You don't want us to be legalistic. you don't want us to be religious for the sake of religious. You don't want us to be in a routine of of religion. Lord you want our hearts and god. It's easy to get busy. And it's easy to get self-righteous and goddess easy to get lazy please. Lord forgive us those things that keep us from real relationship with you and real relationship with your people. God i pray that you'll bless my brothers and sisters in the lord. I pray that you call them to deeper places in you and that you would call them to deeper tangible love with one another. We love you so much. Thank you for loving us. And jesus name i pray amen. Thank you so much for being with us for the life together podcast. It's even better when we get to see you in person. You are invited to join us on wednesday evenings here. At oakley summary of god we are church that exist to reach a little christ as we lead people to discover and become who god has created though to find us online at pre eiji dot four.

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A Very Nerdy Proposal

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A Very Nerdy Proposal

"When my husband proposed to me it was the ultimate like hop culture. I maybe not ultimate. I feel like people could propose it comecon and stuff but all the is are on you but to us. It was a very nerdy proposal so we went to go see captain america winter soldier with our friends. We are walking out of the theater and he proposed to me basically in the parking lot of the movie theater. It written on our truck. Like mrs trinidad which would have been my married name in. Its name now. Got on his name propose and basically told me later like i did this to completely catch you off guard because there is no in halle thought i was going to propose after this movie in. The parking lot is like that is very true. Not prepared for that Said yes obviously and then we went on a trip the next day to celebrate it was beautiful and i always think like. I wonder how. I would've reacted. I mean i would say yes no matter what but if you would have done it in front of like i don't know what are those things called dancers come out in their core a flash mom and i think i i go back and forth between being this person. Who really likes attention. Shocker i know and then also being like l. e. Ill calm down down. Yeah so. I don't know i've looked proposals. That makes me think of those jumbotrons when people are at sporting events. And who tried to do it. The proposals and it can go either way. I like public places but not around the public so like in a park or something or in a restaurant but maybe a little more private situation last. Yeah i'd be down for that. Yeah i feel like everybody all my business watching me and like i'm sweating and everybody's gonna know. Afterwards whether she said yes or no. I don't want to have to deal with anything any sort of attention. When i'm focusing on the person in front of me yeah my husband. Almost we were on a road trip. And he i knew he was gonna propose because we had gone ring shopping together. But you wanted to try to find a way to make it special and we had gone to vegas. We stopped in vegas and we went to the venetian gondolas inside right. And so he had the ring in its pocket this whole time and he had fully intended to propose on the gondola ride and he said that when we got inside he had this not a panic. But kind of like. This isn't it. this isn't right. Like i don't wanna do it in front of other people and so he ended up waiting until we're in a secluded place. It's called the double slide in northern california. It's just outlook. And i'm really glad that he did it that way. Because i i'm the same i like. I love attention. Obviously i'm podcastone calls player. But in that scenario. I don't think so i think i would have had probably panic attacks. Private yeah we had our closest friends there and like his cousin was there but it was just a couple of us own that i don't consider what what would think about pictures like if there's somebody in the back behind a tree somewhere and you guys are by ourselves and they're taking pictures of the moment. You may look a video of the entire proposal. Or i had idea. He was just kind of like walking behind us with his phone on. And i didn't realize. Because i was going on and on about captain america. That'll be me whenever nicole gets engaged. I'll just be like peeking out of the bushes. She won't know that. I'm there those glasses in big noses in the mustaches attach how should they propose That's great. I could see you with a billboard proposal like at a at a white sox game that's what he said jumbotron. I'm like i wouldn't mind that. Sporting event i'm a sporting event person but talking about public proposals. That makes me think of my sisters proposal. They were in new york. For my brother-in-law's mom Birthday and he asked her. I guess if he can propose to her on the trip because it's kind of unexpected because they're celebrating her and it would be out of the blue so he didn't on ellis island and the way he did it. If you or kayla ryan if you're listening you could just skip this park. Sam about to just out your proposal. It was actually really did it. Will i saw he called. My family was like. Hey i know you're arizona Out to new york so you guys can be here for the proposal Well thank you for that book. She can't get time off work whatever but anyways besides the point he got done on his knee and he said said this is where the immigrants started their new life. Would you like to start allies with me. That's like something that would totally get cloud on diktat accused by so nervous at that kinda came out but i'm like i totally give it. You're trying to say it all in working out. Her ring is absolutely beautiful. My dream ring but yeah so funny those nerves though the first thing my husband said when he got on his knee was well. Here's the thing. I'm breaking up. I don't wanna be coming in hot from olympic games at mesa arizona. It's the proper culture jumpy podcast. Hello there gentlemen listeners. You caught me just hanging with some dear friends. Join us on a journey. If you will into the world of pop culture culture chunky podcasts. Thanks not an answer are you wanted to. This is your girl. Shawna and i am joined by some other junkies and their names are haley. Nicole alex so let's jump right into those papa urge drop. It's if we liked it we pop it if we didn't like it we drop and if we are confused and not sure we potato it who seo. I i'll go because your intro to the podcast totally reminded me of my purse review. Which is a movie called. Reminiscence just came out with hugh jackman and rebecca ferguson. who are together in the greatest showman. I dunno back together in this movie and it was directed by the the head director or producer. Whatever brains behind westworld directed this. And there's like this continuing line throughout the movie where it he is trying to get people to go back in time into their memories and so he goes. You're going on a journey. All the sound of my voice and i'm like no that that's what i was going to talk about. Is that's exactly how you started. I was channelling an episode of absolutely that movie to reminiscences. Well i will say this. So it's on hbo. Max you can go see it in theaters bombed in theaters. I think the marketing wasn't super great because commercial. Toji literally nothing about the movie. I will watch anything. Hugh jackman is in. It's kind of like a old timing. War like crime mystery mixed with science fiction. So there's an asian the whole time visually. it's stunning. I kind of wish. I would have seen it in a theater for the visuals also really confusing and admittedly fell asleep halfway through so i'm going to drop reminiscent brakes hard to do it because they lie. If you're listening to your jackman you're not but if you were. I don't know i think it might be one of those worth a rewatch down the line but initial first impressions. I'm gonna drop reminiscence. Oddly enough in a turn of events. I'm going to pop the pop patrol movie. I did see that you would bring on the creep in the back. Now i whole family went. And i've seen a lot of really crappy kids movies in my day and patrol was not one of those crappy kid movies. It was actually really cute. It was like one big long episode of patrol. The theater is made up of nothing but little kids and they're very aboard parents on this. Sounds like my hell but go. It was like the thing about it that i liked is. I didn't try to be something that it wasn't. Sometimes you go to kids movies. And they're like we're going to try to make this really deep and poignant in some way and it had the plot it had it. It just kept to what it does best which is just puppies on adventures so my son was in love with it and if i had to sit and watch a kids movie again i could watch that one so i don't know you can't keeps asking you to go see the pop associate. 'cause it wasn't that bad. No alcohol require no just a lot of popcorn and then the last thing i watched was The walking dead now finals the walking dead started. And i'm one of the lifers that is still watching the walking dead. And i'm gonna say i will hop potato the premier so i saw a little teaser that there's some maggie drama going down right. Yeah maggie and megan are having to work together and obviously she hates megan and rightfully so because he murdered glenn. What megan has had this whole kind of character. Transformation in maggie's absence and she been there to be a part of that and really even so like darrell and carol who have been there for his transformation even still. They're like kill him. We don't really care is they. Haven't forgiven megan what i think. He started to prove how important he can be to their community and so maggie is. She's caught between essentially to put a bullet between his eyes and allowing into live. You kill my husband with a bat. And i am killing you yeah. I don't care how helpful you are. How good your vegetables are i. Don't know what he's up. Jeez he's killing people and but he. He is the best part of this season. Just megan character has been the best part of the show. I think last couple seasons. But i don't think he's making it out of this alive but we'll see we'll have to see what happens for a long. The walking dead episodes have been Like middle chapters of a long novel and It's time to start getting back to the end of this bad. Boy that's wrapping up. Yeah and if if rick dozen comeback. I'm really depressed so he better. He just left on a frigging like helicopter. He's not dead what's he doing man. Michelle went after him and supposedly. He's gonna up his own movies. But i hope he comes back to the for the finale. At least so yeah. Those are us or the week. all right nicole. would you watch so. I watched my bachelor in paradise. That was good. It's actually two days. This week have not watched the second episode of the week. But the first episode that aired on monday ms pretty good. There was some drama. Of course there was a couple of people who are accused of being in relationships back home longer. Who has accused claims that she's not in that they broke up but when she's called out on it she's like. I'm going to leave the paradise beach. Because what i have waiting for me back is better anyway. So mike sue are so. Why did you even. Yeah so that was a little weird. And then there's this girl demme who she's been on previous seasons and she just annoys me and she just as trying to steal everyone so she's into both men and women so she's just a hell you kind of playing around the block right now. But he's not gonna take you do it so but i will pop that i of the bachelor so we will pop that for sure and then another movie. I watched For the first time actually came out in two thousand eighteen is rampage with the rock. Johnson was actually watching a movie before that was on tv. I saw previews for it and chicago is in the previews. so it's like okay. Cool i have to watch it because the city of chicago in it so why not watch it and at first it started out superior to someone in like a spaceship in space. And i don't even know but it was very weird. I was if you about it ever entered jungle. No he's in zoo. So the whole potline is. His name is davis the rock and he is a bond with the gorilla that he met. I don't know where somewhere overseas and the guerrillas needs rockwood. There was a baby gorilla hiding under a truck because his mother was getting killed by a bunch of other people so the rock saved him and took him back to the states to raise him and everything in the zoo and then there is a genetic experiment that causes a wolf the gorilla george interrupt how to grow to this very huge monstrous size king kong. Yes pretty much and then davis and a couple of other people who work for the military and a genetic engineer all try to come together to try to stop the mutation from growing and there's like an energy or something. I don't know the right term but in the john hancock building in chicago and we'll george in the reptile can al- censor the so. They're all traveling to chicago to destroy the city and then it ends up being okay. 'cause they get the mutant out of george and he ends up saving the day. I'm looking this up on rotten tomatoes. It's actually really good lake. I'm not gonna explaining movie good excellent. I picture it trying to look whether it's connected to rampage like the arcade game. I think it is. I think it's like i don't know interpretation of the video game. Somehow it has a seventy three percent audience score on rotten tomatoes auditors. Don't listen to that fifty one percent. What reminiscence was like thirty rampages. Technically better isn't that bad for tomato meter all right. Alex what are we popping locking dropping. Okay yeah So i been watching. Dave season two on effects i popped earlier maybe some time recently when aired the first episode and now that the season finale air just recently. I'm going to continue pumping it at a good season. This season was very existential. In a way overarching plot and davor does every episode. Kinda have like a different. So i was. Yeah i was gonna connect now. Because of the way i see is if this season was kinda laid out like a concept album kind of music album because the overarching story is that dave needs to get is apple completed throughout the entire season but every episode has its own focus and towards the end like. He's like having this battle with himself and he like literally like steering himself and he's like a sleep he's he went into this container to find like creativity. It's this is very thank. You gotta watch all lake Because i know this dickey right okay. So is this 'cause. I never watched it. Is it like fictional take on his actual life or is it purely fiction like he's playing a fictional haven't into it that much but it kind of feels like a to be a fictional take eight mile and eminem. I mean the episode. I watched he gets arrested for showing his balls to another. I'm pretty line perspective. But it's it's fun. I like it. Yeah you it's okay to watch the episodes individually but if you want the full arch story of like him trying to like finally finish like as album Definitely like watch the whole thing. And the last finale was pretty good So pop for dave season two on fx and. I was also watching vivo on netflix. And it's animated film starring lin-manuel rhonda zoe's donna. And it's it's cool. It's is very fine. It starts off with this street performer. In cubo as animal. There's confusion as to what the animal is in the movie but like as low monkey or a ferret someone okay and like he's a the musicians in 'em and this animal the older gentleman and then they'll generally gets this letter from this. I bake shop like artists who lives in miami. And she's like whole so so. Please come to miami for last performance. A one perform with you because they used to perform together. And so it's supposed to be the journey of this. This this man going to go meet his musical partner but he sadly passes away and so the monkey is pretty much taking that adventure on the to himself interesting. Yeah and you might meet. Cocoa meets soul. Yeah actually it sounds like coca yeah kinda cocoa meat so So it's really cool. The music is great and bobbin vivo on number six so i started a show this week i mean barely. We watched the first episode on. Hbo called the white lotus. I'm not sure how i feel about it so far. The first episode was really interesting. But i still at that point where i have no idea where the show's going so i think i'm going to give it like the three episode. Right it's got alexandra. Daddario steve zahn jennifer coolidge. Connie britton and it's basically a bunch of wealthy white families who travelled to this beautiful hotel on an island very secluded and kind of just like the demands that they make the privileges that they have And then you see it from their perspective and from the perspective of the actual hotel staff who have to cater to their every whim so far. It's definitely satirical. It's really interesting. It opens with a body being loaded back onto the plane when everyone's flying back to the united states but we don't know whose body it is so right now. I'm gonna hot potato it because i feel like it has some potential to have some social commentary like it was funny so i'm going to give it a world. I watched the first half of the first episode. And then as soon as it zoomed in right up to st john's balls for like a solid couple minutes turned it off. I was like. I don't know whether shows going but that's not a road. I wanna see has ball cancer. Not sure i wonder. If that's the thing it. I think he had a hit a stunt novel. Or that's all stunt double genital stunt doubles or definitely a theme of twenty twenty one and it's like the whole conversation around sex. Life ran their shower scene. Like whether or not a prosthetic as it was like two feet long and after still isn't confirming or denying and you know what good for him because of my. That was all real. So i'm hot. Potatoing white lotus until i watch a couple more episodes. I have an addiction to aching shows. It was a baking show on netflix. I'm gonna watch it usually. I'm going to have pay attention to it. Stare at my phone. Have a glass of wine. But it's going to be on because it's comforting. So i started to show called bake squad where basically it's like the four same bakers every single episode. Which is kind of weird and the four of them are all competing against each other to see who's gonna make a wedding cake birthday cake and a new person gets chosen every episode. I am going to pop this. If you're like me and like baking shows just for the sake of comfort in throwing something on the background. I'm going to drop it if you need actual like i dunno. It's sean ten. It is yeah if you need actual content that makes you think don't scarred but if you're like you know what i gotta have some noise while i make this macaroni and cheese or whatever you do i was gonna say. Do you ever find yourself like wanting what they make not on this show on some shows i definitely do. The food looks really delicious. Especially if it's chopped and it's savory dishes or something Like a big juicy steak. I don't know but like this one. The concept is to make it is big and over the top as possible so nothing looks particularly delicious. It just kind of looks. Could make it the biggest and craziest. I don't know because i am as a person what i do. Wanna talk about the most. Is this week's episode. Of what. If so i talked about it last week. And you know i liked it but i was still a little iffy on the voice acting and such this week's episode of what. If was the last performance as an actor for chadwick postman so he plays star lord in this episode. He is taken from kanda by yangzhou and the rest of the ravaged. Here's as a child. He goes on to be star. Lord a pretty successful star lord infinitely better than peter. It's so funny that like just the juxtaposition of the scene. Where star star lord man in this anything star. Lord he's like. Oh my god star lord. Oh so honored to meet you. So i don't know i really liked this episode. It was i mean. Kind of like teary eyed. The whole time just hearing chadwick. And i don't know i really enjoyed it. So what did you think i like. Yeah i like it a lot. I was pretty much sold on. What if in week one. This one just solidified. I think more for me. You wanna talk about voice acting. Almost every single person was in this. Like michael rooker and like every all the original characters Josh brolin lake. Yeah for like a deny guerrero came back to voice one line koi marrying gillan area which was really cool seeing her not all broken up into our up his in this version. Thanos is redeemed by touch. Hala he's Before he becomes a bad guy and Yeah i loved it i. I'm i'm super excited. For this whole entire show. Even the ending of episodes boiler for what if episode to ending of episode. Peter quill working at a dairy queen. Yeah and his dad egos shows up and so that kind of hinted that there's going to be another episode. Maybe dedicated what became of peter quill if he joined ego and maybe he would become a bill. In so yeah. The next episode is with Nick fury and black widow. And it's all about what would happen if the avengers. The original six were hunted down and interesting was one. Don't know honestly. I recorded home. I love seeing all of the memes and stuff that are like on the next episode. What if black widow sued sued shield or whatever. But yeah i love it. I'm totally sold. I can't wait for the next one. Yeah this definitely sold me. We really enjoyed it. So definitely pop. What if if that try. Especially if you're a marvel fan hi. i'm hailey the brave teacher in mumbai. Day cost player and pop culture junkie by well also by day. I'm obsessed with all things fandom. And i love to talk about it so join me in. Some of my friends is with geek out about tv movies music and all the awesome things that make life worth living listened to my podcast thirty nerdy and thriving available now on all major streaming platforms. So there is finally the day. We've all been waiting for spiderman. No way home trailer dropped well. It was leaked in. That immediately dropped which is usually what happens. But oh my god. This trailer has me so psyched for this movie haley. I know you have some theories of stuff you to break down so many thoughts so okay go on. How question is why doctor. Strange living in snow. Why is wondering what happened to the sanctum. So tore doesn't seem too concerned about it. He's kind of got unlike his doctor. Strange limited edition coat likes sweatpants. Almost wonder if you did it on purpose for some reason or if you've just been experimenting with spells and maybe it's summertime new york and he got sick of it so frozen over but yet i've been reading all the different theories and all sorts of stuff so a lot of people have theorized that the white shirt and tie that you see when peter is getting interrogated police station a police station. And you see a white shirt and tie. But you don't see his face and the internet is convinced that that is matt murdock. If better be charlie cox matt murdock. And i will die. I didn't even catch that. Yeah oh my lawyer. There's a standing somebody right. Somebody and and peers rifling through some some paperwork and yes so everybody thinks it is charlie cox so i hope so. Obviously we see the ball the like the green goblin. Cackle pumpkin bomb. Was that him saying something to peter like right after that goblin ball like rolled-over. I heard a voice. I wasn't sure if was Oh there's like a cat you hear like hat and that's definitely green coffee. There are basically every member of the sinister six is cheese throughout this trade. Okay explain this industry. Because i've been seeing lot of this stuff about online not familiar so they are six just main bad guys of spiderman who team up to be a pain in his ass. So it's oh gosh. Sandman lizard doctor octopus it kind of berries and like different members kind of pop in and out like rhinos thrown in there sometimes. Venom shocker scorpion. Carnage but basically six bag is teaming up taken down the spider man but i mean we see like a teaser for lizard in here sandman electricity for electro. Obviously the pumpkin bomb. Oh my god you guys really were like watching the got a deep dive and only a couple of minutes. You got to watch those youtube breakdowns of all the easter egg. Twitter nicole nicole. What did you think of this man trailer. The only thought that came into my head. Was there any some hannah montana vibes wants. Everyone found out who he was. Oh that double life. Yeah having trouble being a live in the best of both worlds right now when he walked into the school i never wanted just like staring at him and he's like a okay. Yeah i'm man and then she's like. I'm hannah montana. Like i don't know this is all the two worlds collide. It'd be like hannah. Montana thought that hannah montana was a murderer. Yeah because in. This movie inspired murdered mysterious. Yeah she definitely didn't offer cato. So one of the theories the popular theories. I've seen going around i have to debunk and i have nothing to really totally basis but when the movie comes out in december i want everyone to come back to this episode to know that i'm correct so a lot of people have said that doctor strange because he messes with the universe and he does this the spell for peter that he's acting way out of character and especially when he looks at peter any wing sodom that. There's no way that this would be the same doctor. Strange that his so carefully meticulously planned out everything with infinity war and endgame and so a lot of people have theorized that it's actually memphis stow as doctor mc you fans pistou calm down. Y'all being man. You were right with wanda visual. You're not right now. And the thing is people want to assign this weird like high morality to doctor strange all the while forgetting that he is who he is because he was texting and driving like the guy was kind of an idiot. To begin with an egotistical. Yeah so i. I don't know i don't think it's out of the rommel possibility that doctors getting bored bored enough to turn the sanctum same torah into frigging ice palace like elsa and boorda enough to see an opportunity to mess with space and time and seize upon it and then just wanted to see if he can do it and i mean we see him being like his petersburg we meet in the middle of blazek. Stop stop with bell south ever smell like so things go haywire. But i think you're totally. I think he just wants to be like say i can do those. Let's let's find out. I'm so excited for this movie. I am so freaking excited. Boy yeah me too. The other spider-man's are going to come in. They have eight two absolutely well and willem dafoe when he was interviewed about it and they were like so like. Are you going to be in the movie. He's like. I think when a movie comes out. That's the time to talk about the movie. And i'm like okay. Tell me that you're in no way home without telling me that. You're a normal and so i think obviously like their lips sealed but i i definitely we're gonna see toby andrew in this movie. That'd be fun. Let's keep going on this marvel train and talk about iron heart. I know that's one of your. Yeah not. I was pretty excited about this. So obviously with tony. Stark dying an ironman. Being out of the picture it's kind of left a hole in 'em. cu and in the comics really williams is a fifteen year. Old girl who is kind of a tech wizard ingenious a lot. Like tony start and she up developing her own suit and stuff and becomes iron heart. Which is the young female version of iron man. And it's been confirmed that there's going to an iron heart series on disney plus but this last week they announced that dominique thorn is going to be playing re william. She was in if bill street could talk and judas on the blah nice and she is going to make her debut as the character in black panther will forever so we're going to get to see her early series hope it's her and sherry like interacting with each other. Because you know they're just going to be picking each other's brains and also looking fly while doing it. I'm so excited. Yeah i'm really really excited and I think the casting is is great. And i can't wait can't wait for everything. Everything in phase four is just getting me. Like super hyped dude right. Yeah and even like they confirmed that anthony mackie is going to be the star of captain america foreign which makes sensing as he is cap now so excited to see her. That movie goes obviously. I'm sure we'll be back. But i mean that's so far down the line with mci you even said it's like they're looking beyond like twenty twenty three in so but still still exciting time to be alive and be a nerd. Join us in a hot boy. Hot guy god. What kind of news did you see going down this week. Nicole we are going to talk about our lovely family of the kardashians lashed jenner's kylie jenner is pregnant though. She has not officially announced it yet. Neither has a travis. Scott so how likely is it that she's pregnant very likely sources very close to her. Have mountain confirmed that she is. But i kind of think that it's going to be like her pregnancy with stormy who has her first child right now that she's gonna keep it private in quiet and i think that's what was trying to do with this one but obviously stupid. Tmz leaked it. I believe they were the first ones to be getting announced she was pregnant. Which kind of sucks. Because in instances like this it's that's something very personal that you probably want to announce yourself or keep private and tmz. Does that a lot like they've announced celebrity deaths before even family finds out. They're done for sure. And so i kind of feel about that but also very exciting because just from what. I could see social media. She seems like a really good mom in stormy is absolutely adorable. So i think it'll be very cool to see is kylie the one that was like upset about the claim that she likes photoshop. Pictures or whatever i mean. That's remember the drama where she was take picture down because he's okay but yeah he's dead saga. Yeah and he's a second child status from what we are confirming but could be someone else who knows. Oh my it'd be very far long. 'cause i'm looking at a bikini pictures. She just posted throwback win. That's the thing too is that you have a bunch of fans on talk. That had literally went to very very very good. Detailed at she was pregnant. Because someone's like you see this picture. She posted on her birthday because her birthday was this month in august. And so you see this picture. She's holding a drink but she posted this picture. Yesterday in her nails are different colors. Stumble sleuth me stalking murska. Yeah real and that some other news. I have is erica. Jane from the real house is beverly hills is going through a very very very terrible divorce to tom. Girardi if you watch or follow anything of real housewives you understand what i'm talking about. But this is probably one of the messy est divorces. I've ever seen so tough. Jordy is a very high end lawyer in la so there was a very bad plane crash and he was on the team to help the victims of this plane crash. Get money and compensation but apparently these victims families never out the money and he embezzled it. I believe and erica. Apparently he has no idea about any of these things that are happening. The an her name was on all the papers. And she's like. I signed things that he handed to me because we were married for twenty three years. So i'm gonna trust him with the things that he's giving me. And then she filed for divorce in november twenty twenty but just months before that. She spent a hundred thousand dollars on his credit card. This sounds land. He's beginning of law and order. Svu episode. it's just if this story ends with a murder. I mean yeah see. Maybe the producers of real housewives wanted to be a lot. But he's not on the shows at all just because of how high end of a lawyer he is that he is literally not on the show at all because of his reputation. And everything like that. But yeah. I don't know. I think it's gonna be very messy divorce. She could possibly be going to jail. He's definitely going to jail in my opinion and yeah drew and all the girls that are on the Hills with her are talking about one is like. I don't wanna be around her anymore. Because i don't want my name in reputation would be ruined. And the other one's like a gash need to be here for our friend blah blah blah blah. I'm like okay. Let's just get to the point where she possibly goes to jail. I don't want her to go into our. I don't want her to be guilty. But yeah interesting very dirty in other news this week. They made waves and the internet was a buzz about the whole jeopardy host situation. Yes the mike richards was gonna take over and obviously he had kind of a history jeopardy was like producer and whatever and so they were like. Oh he's going to take over. And no one was happy about that. Because everybody wanted lavar burton takeover and then my embolic was supposed to step in for like specials and like little jeopardy spinoffs and whatever and then it was revealed that the guy is a racist and an anti-semites ed so he had a podcast that apparently six years ago or so and people started pulling up episodes where he makes fun of jewish people. Women poor people. Asian people basically disabled people in our students are like he is not a good person now and so he stepped down and it looks like Miami miami area is going to be taking over for a couple of weeks. My goodness just get lavar. Burton aaron rodgers. I know he was a guest host. Yeah i'm just joking. I never watched that show. I like i just don't ryan reynolds even tweeted about fans wanted me to be dead pool for years and years and years before i got the opportunity to do it and now it's time for the studio to follow suit. Do the right thing and get lavar burton. Yeah so i just don't understand how a show in a studio can so badly botch such an easy decision. It's such an easy decision. And i mean can you imagine. I'm sure that the viewership jeopardy stays pretty steady. I'm sure that there's a lot of people who sit down on their couches at the end of the night and watch jeopardy and wheel of fortune. It's the same people. Watch the prices right and stuff. You know it's not. Like it's a ratings bonanza. But i'm sure it's study. I'm sure that they would see a pretty good uptick in even like people our age watching jeopardy if they got lavar burton on there It's just like when steve harvey took over a family feud and just started brutally like making fun of the contestants. And now it's like our more family feud now than i ever have 'cause the stuff that he says goes by and we're alec baldwin doing the match game like and being extremely reverend like that stuff's funny and i don't know lavar burton hopefully the us give the millennials what they want. We have so little so much debt oppressed. Yeah i got you so much. We've gone through a lot okay. This one of things. I also hope to be manifested is kenya's new album so they connie this is like the the whole time that i like the james bond movie. It just keeps getting pushed back. That's the sixth episode. Alex and the guy's a genius. He's literally been touring an unreleased album. Like he has been selling tickets and he's been like giving them out and all this stuff but yeah. The third one is scheduled for august twenty six. And they're saying it's the last one. So hopefully i two in atlanta where he was born and this last one is going to be in chicago. I'm excited for it. Because it just shows how you know kinda really got people in the bag and has fans all over the place Me obviously by the time. This listening party is over. There's an album that i can officially like listen to you. Know i hope so too happy. Yes oh my friend. Alex talking about this. I did see that he was having it at soldier. Field which is where the chicago bears play. And he's replicating the house that he grew up in chicago style. I saw a picture on his instagram of a house. Yes see that's the thing like in the first one that was complete bare stage there was nothing and then the second one he brought in more people. The only thing in the middle was like a mattress and dislike stays like coming like from above but there like people surrounding him. They're like two layers of people. The first layer was a circle. Round was squire and then the next was like decide. A bunch of people and you can feel the energy there of everybody like really like sharing this. And i'm like at conversations with other people about this. And the like a seance selectively worship in something. And i'm down for that and i don't know i feel like it's about bringing invest energy and everybody like in this same motion and so now that i. I didn't know that there was going to be this whole set. It looks like it's house. I mean it just shows the help us make even more exciting going on in my hand. Turn and house shaped so that just makes me even more excited. Thank you nicole for that news to you. I manifested it for you. Don't worry that's awesome. I'm excited for you. You know why the heck not. 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Ranking Every 2021 Hallmark Channel Movie (so far)

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Ranking Every 2021 Hallmark Channel Movie (so far)

"This is a bramble. Jam pot kenniston. Hi i'm brand and i love ranking hallmark movies. Hey it's panda movies. I'm dan is this basically a preview episode but looking back it's a recap upset. Good gracious. Well it's it's bad already. And this is the hallmark podcast. Yes it ed. Type the hallmark. Everybody how are we good. It's a friday very excited to be here. Ranking definitively the movie so far in twenty twenty one for hallmark chaim. I'm excited about this guys. We have to collectively come up with the list from best to worst going to worship worst the best. Just calm down by good god. Because i'm worried about it. Okay wonder stay the same that we're going to try to meet in the middle. Probably this guy. I just don't like it. I don't like where this is headed. I see where there's going to be. This is just i. Just don't just want things to go smoothly. But i know they won't and so i'm i'm here to fight. Yes this might be minnesota where there are some arguments and is going to be a song. Take back my right life. Life life right and cigarette my rights. Oh my life sounds right actually. It's my li- it's friday. Got amazon for. And i ain't gonna live for You guys were ranking the movies. We have some tears year. Remove cab starting at the bottom. We have the dumpster fire. Yeah of course after that bad bad bad then right there in the middle standard bad bad bad bad though that is bubble bath. Bad bad bad. Bad bad okay. In the middle standard fields. Sandra feels big fund. Maybe six and then at the very top real movie so we will take a movie. We will decide on which tier it goes into move onto the next. We'll go from. There will make changes as it goes. Okay when we find two movies or three moves they are in the same tier then we can move those around in the tier to get them in the correct or go through all eighteen and put them in a tear. It's exactly right okay. And it's a two. It's a two one tiebreak situation. It's a two one tiebreak situation. What if we have three different opinions on things are going to wear some guy's gonna what we might know. I think there's just going to be you know what's some humility dan. Yeah no it's because you're you're just the biggest. Are you guys ready. I'm ready starting with the first movie of the year we have. What does that taking taking a shot at love taking a shot at love taking a shot at love. I just wanna. You're like i want to hear where paint starting with this before. I come in hot because for the longest time you said it was the best. Yeah it's are you telling me that it belongs in real movie territory. I'm willing to. I'm willing to concede is not i'm even willington. Good seed is my personal favorite of this year. Okay my personal favorite of the year. I am willing to acknowledge having seen it was always you and then also seeing a sweet carolina that this this movie is not as good as soon movies so i will go ahead. I will say is a for me personally. A big fund maybe six. I do think it's big fun. Maybe six okay. Well that makes life easy. We we're doing these based upon the other eighteen movies correct. Yes okay Because i would have it. Probably in the in one of the to below that category standard feels about the bad. It's a lot of things to consider here. it's yeses to eighteen. But it's also the collective whole it's probably three or four movies per category two. Okay here's why. I think you can't you can't drop it into the standard or the bab. Bad bad is because hockey. But yeah that's a great. It's a great argue also. They had so many winter field. Let me ask you this brand. This is a top six seven movie. Yes of the year of the year. Yes you think. That's a top six seven yes really. Yes and i think you'll get around to that. Dan know movies in the top six or seven that we watch this year. No way i could buy it in the top twelve and fourteen so standard fields would be twelve. Roughly let's just find out where we end up okay because next is new year's resolution don't that we have to rank it within that cab. Yes of course we're so new year's resolution Where we i to me. It's just the time better than taking a shot at love. did i real- yes. Yeah you said yes you did well. Then let's things change this. Is retrospect maybe this is retrospect. Maybe i won't long and you know looking back. Not as good as they used to be. My guess is where it's is going to end up in the bottom two. I'm gonna put standard field. That will my thing is. Is that if you're asking me. Based upon these eighteen i would have it in the standard field. All right. we'll put in centerfield. I'll go. I'll go there to the win for me to for the win in standard fields all day to for the win was the best of the winter movies in my opinion so i would have it in big. Maybe six k. That's where i'd have. I i would put it in standard feels my opinion. It could drop to the bub-bubba bad category. I would say for now. Let's put an standard feels and see where we go. We will put it. We will put a can do that. Yes. we will put it ahead of new year's office on the youtube. You can watch on youtube. It's your listener if you're a visual person Next we have what what is. What was this one Where he's a winter winter getaway. It's a it's a hard dumpster fire for me. It's definitely bottom four to six movies for me. Definitely bottom for. I like Like it better than the next one was the next one. That's no kissed her. Were i'm i say. I think that in the next hundred dumpster fires are. Where are you at on this. It's it's not great I have in the bad the bad category but i also like the extravagant display of wealth and the scenery was really nice. But it's it's not be willing to put it in. I wanna i wanna put it in bad okay. Fine where i could put it in one of those kennedy worse for but i live for that one far snow kissed her. We're all agreeing fire and it's learning. It's okay all right makes up in the mediterranean. I'm sorry beverly hills wedding to also just right and that's worse than snow kissed. Yes yeah okay. Close lane playing. Cupid was a real bad move. It wasn't good I that bad but the bad by bad. I love the mexican. Forget i put in the bad the bad bad. it was so boring. i could almost blend dumpster fire. Bow plan babb at that. The problem is as you got You guys ryan fit for princeton me that might be of home when All right mix up in the mediterranean. The mediterranean me. It's real movie category territory. It's the best of the eighteen i. I'm telling you right now. Mixing the now for jeremy jordan's performance stood in. That movie is the best thing we've seen all year. That with the to tyler. Hynes movies of the best three movies they are. I don't know what's better than those three. I don't think it's real movie territory personally but if you're asking me one eighteen that ranks one for me. Is it up there for you. Is it up in real real hair twenty. I think it has. I think it has to be like as much as it pains me to say that it's qualitatively a better movie than taking shot love. I like taking a shot at love better. But i understand where you guys are coming from willing to ken ben. Same character and for paying for banda. I'm it's better than mix bryce yes. It was always use bear. The mix up goes and dance wrong about that. Well i if we're talking qualitatively speaking. Yes it was better. My favorite was mixed up in the middle. Okay yeah yup alright. Any qualms yet are we good. I need to see what shakes out coming up because we might need to debate some. I have some of these. Yeah i got some issues. Eisley but fit for a prince for me is in standard feels. It was standard middle of the pack. It didn't offend me. I had a. I had a good time. Anybody else want to dive in. I had it lower than i thought it was. I thought it was fun. I thought it was a good. But it's a bad move. It is terrible qualitatively. Speaking it may be the worst movie. Beverly hills wedding. I hated but a quality standpoint is better than fit for a prince fit for a prince qualitatively. Speaking is in the bottom category. In my opinion. I don't even think it's clothing. I i would be willing to say. It's in the bad bad bad category dumpster fire and you got standard. Feels all right. Well let's middle split will split the difference and we'll go back then. I am playing cuban and fit for a princess close that is unreal all right but i think there's a chasm between those s because the dumpster too but man dumpster fire fit for prince in. My opinion is way better than the three that we haven't dumpster fire. So i think there's a chasm on distinct distinct back. Did you have a better time. Dan or how are we doing this. Because if it's had a better time you have to come over to my level but with fit for prince if we keep changing it movie to movie we're not going get into. We're not changing it. We have to come together at some. I know but i'm not. I'm all about compromise brand. But are we judging these movies based upon moviemaking quality about it or based upon enjoyment. My whole thing. Mine's always enjoyment. Okay because we like he said my favorite is taking a shot at love or was for a while but quality wise. It's not the best i mean. That's just object lake so if you're doing what's my pure favourite. Then yes we're taking a shot at love should be in number one. It should be the real movie i love. This is it quality or is it based upon how much we enjoyed it it is. It is our favorites of the year. We got a story but you can but you can like you. It's high enough up there though right not not to him i we have to collectively get there though. That's the thing but the both of us agree. It's not the best movie but if but if we were to aggregate the scores if he hasn't there and you have it at big maybe six. And i have a dumpster fire. It would end up in standard feels. It would drop a level. You had an dumpster fire s. But that's the problem is as you're wrong on every level there. But i'm asking if i can only put four movies in dumpster fire then. It's not in dumpster fire. It's not about him for movie. But if you're asking me it's definitely not a top six seven movie either. But if we're just saying like we're voting on this based upon our own internal rankings then if it ends up there that's fine. I'm just saying we need to be consisted. Is it based upon quality movies based on which ones we enjoy it. Because if it's which one we enjoyed mid mix up in the mediterranean my favorite based on quality it was always used clearly the qualitative and we run into some real we run into some real ratios because chasing waterfalls i load that movie but also qualitatively better. Movies is a huge. That movie is a laugh a minute but not for the right reasons like that movie is not qualitatively. Good at all. It's terrible but there's you loved the laugh ability of it a lot so like like but that movie is not a good movie they could just unequivocally a bad mood that we just have to figure out a way to because we all watch them differently. Gotta figure let's keep moving for him right now. I think this is fair. However were doing it to me. I look at this and i think you know what i think. This is an accurate representation of assists. Yeah okay chasing waterfalls to me. it's a dumpster. It's a dumpster fire. How many movies to put the dumpster fire as as many as you want really. Let's limit the dumpster fire as four. Because i'm pretty sure the well. Let's limit the dumpster fire to four. Let's finish that. We limit it to four. God that's hard man. Because i got hearts down under coming up and i got a bat. A boot camp break-up bootcamp movie got whatever that thing is after it. What does that. What does that wedding One winter wedding So yes she's been a bad year. It's gonna get foggy. What do we want to try. Let's agree on it. Do we want to do four. Or here's the thing. If every category has four twenty movies so every eighteen. I know if every category had for there would be eighteen. There will be twenty. Two categories gonna have three. So if we max at for this what we need to do less max max four. Read me the titles of what's left before i tell you about chasing waterfalls don't break my heart one perfect wedding as luck would have. It's the right in front of me right in front of me hearts down under baby. It's cold sweet carolina baby. It's cold inside. There is no way if i can only put four. Let's limit the bottom three tiers to four. We have to limit. Here's the thing is limited to four. Because they're going to ask. There is no way chasing waterfalls as the bottom for movie. Did you hear those titles. Painda lesson is about one all the and let's deal with it right now. Maybe i enjoyed that more than chasing waterfalls. I lo before right. Now let's keep the blinders on. Let's focus on what is on the board right now and where we are here with chasing waterfalls. So you're just with the movies on the board right now. We internship with now. We're just. We're just pushing the argument down the road. Some with the movies on the board is a dumpster fire dumpster. Fire fire right now and for me. What do you think somewhere in between these two movies. All three of those movies are worse than chasing waterfall. Yeah i would agree with. How do you get this over. Just just okay. Don't go breaking my heart. hated it. you guys Yeah i mean it's bad it's bad. Well it's it's a dumpster fire but it's not as bad as those four movie. I liked it more than chasing waterfalls. Yeah barely right there okay. I had in standard feels i. I didn't think it was that bad. Whatever you are higher on. I thought yeah i thought i thought it was paved still mad at brian about the so. We know we're brain is bringing. Oh one perfect wedding. Home dumpster fire. Here's steam here's the problem is. We're going to fill up either philip dumpster fire or a bad bad right now and the rest of these movie coming up or bad. They are aside from irish over. there they're sweet caroline carolina and right in front of me. Yeah hearts down under where an ice palace. But we're going to have to negotiate and we're going to start picking apart. I say you slept one win win. Whatever movie that was in the trilogy you slept in the dumpster. Fire the dumpster fire to move. I'm going to put it in front of beverly after. Is it the worst so me personally. I think that one winter wedding is better than beverly hills. Wedding better than snow. Kissed and better than one winter getaway. Now s i kissed. I'd may be given no. I will one hundred percent could be snow because because generally character i loved jen lilley but her character was insufferable And then oh so. I just like that some of these. You're going to write one to four. No it's it's like this so it's it's it would be best okay. Third gorth yet to see what. I'm saying saying that of the four in the dumpster. Fire one winter getaway is the best of those. It's the best of the four or it's the fourth worst. Brighthouse gonna change for right now. Dan don't doggone horse take a quick break. We'll come get to this dog on horses. Steve spurrier a southern football on me right back here on man i. We're talking a lot of movies here. And here's the exciting thing. I watched them all and filo. Yeah because it's the place that i can watch home movies saving than my dvr. It's wonderful the time. Yeah the do reality. Oh you got him boy. All on filo i love the user interface afoul talk enough about. Its other streaming platforms. That i've used. I get a little confused. Where am i going. What am i doing filo. It's super smooth. The fast forward the commercials. It's amazing i love it see. Vr dvr yes unlimited unlimited goto filo dot tv slash. Gts you're gonna get twenty percents off for the next. Two months is gonna get you through to christmas in july. And summer fest. So filo dot tv slash delay. Get your follow on today. We're back we are currently ranking the moves to catch you up to speed. Here's what we have from best to worst. It was always you mix up in the mediterranean taking a shot at love to for the win new year's resolution plan cupid fit for prince. Don't go breaking my heart chasing waterfalls one winter what is it one summer romance. No one's wing winter. Get a winter getaway thing. One on one perfect wedding snow kissed beverly hills wedding. That's the ranking right. Now from best to worst and once we get them all placed then we can still jostle. We can still jostle. We can still argue until we get to where we're all come because some might even hop tears some might hop tears. They might have. So here's my problem is as luck would have. It is a movie that none of us were as high as everyone that it's it's it's better than but it's it's bet we can. All agree is better than the bottom. Four yes i have it in the same camp playing cupid personally but if we taivon's get the feeling it would beat playing cute. I think it's right around playing cupid. And i stand for me. I think it's going to end up in standard feel. I'm going to put it. They're now and then we can win. What's that to. What's the other movie in between two for the way as a new year's resolution. Yeah yeah. I put those in the same category. Sure but as luck would have is not as good. Okay here we go right in front of me right in front. What does this movie. That's the one the filipinos show one with the hotel hunting. Never leave the frigging hot. Hell that movie. That movies top five for me. It's top five movie for for me. I agree with dan on this one. I think for me. This movie is going to end up in bed. Big the number one movie in big fund may be. I would have as the number to take a shot of love. And he's way higher on it so i think we have to are you. Are you okay with this are you can hardly remember it. The only movie hallmark has not only had people of color but had them not culturally appropriate it into a more white circumstance lee s perishing the girl yep parrot no this. This one's good. I haven't big fun. i'll take a big fund. Maybe six this is my fourth best movie of the year. Well fourth or fifth belks. I can do a big from maybe six. This is where the fun begins. Hearts down under guys hurts down under is a just a third fire. Thou- false. it's a good it's salts. did you say faults. I did say hearts under a solid movie. I thought it was solid. I didn't realize that must have they don't show you australia. Yeah right. But i think that this is cindy's best performance. I liked the australian said. I had it it. There's some ridiculous things like them feeding the the the whole village with a couple of fish. This is a bottom three movie for me now. It's a standard feels for me. You guys are just trying to find openings right now. No i really in the world. That hearts downer is better than the bottom. Eight all eight of them. Are you serious for me personally. Hearts down under him. Movie is in between right now. It would be in between. Don't go breaking my heart and chasing waterfalls. I believe or dunkelberg okay. It's in that winter. You would've playing cupid up tails you and. I think i was wanting to do that in the first place. I'm fine with moving playing. Keep it up as long as we put after chasing waterfalls as we put it as the worst in bab of a bad. Sorry what you say. Put hearts down under into bad bad bad but make it the worst one. Yeah s moves up. Yes are you okay. No because i think chasing waterfalls is worst cindy busby does ornaments does a better still with the doing performed dozen performance but what once again we can toggle okay fine. This is a compromise. Because i think it's bottom he thinks you think it standard feels up there. The compromises is up as long as it's last right now but remember we got is on the ice rain we can make we paint a week and make deals with the devil here but for now. Let's get fair. can i propose something. Can we skip is palace to the is comes hard and and and go to the sweet caroline and put it in the top. Three course yes okay. We'll put that right. There and i think is the safe. This is safe. Is this a problem with that. I think that order is correct. We have always you mix them into mediterranean sweet carolina that i think is better than swee carolina. I for me. I would watch big ben mediterranean a dozen times before sweet carolina. Just because of the how happy it made me feel now. Sweet carolina passed. I agree with that okay. Yeah that's my compromised says. I'll take if i'm just doing. Did i have a good time. Sweet carolina's on the top three. But but but it is so clearly such a great movie. Yes and they're getting such doing such good performance. I agree with you. I would much rather watch mixup than swee. Carolina again based on enjoyable. Just what. I would watch sweet. Carolina probably falls two or three tiers. Yep same here. So i think the performances are great. So we're gonna leave it there. And i like the top three all right now. Here's where it gets weird because if any of you think that the ice castle belongs in big fund. Maybe i'm gonna come right over punching the fake. That movie is absolutely. It's so bad it is awful. It is just. Oh it's bad. And i'm looking at that bottom eight and i'm just going i i can make a case. It's worse than almost every movie. You know what what's painting me right now. Is that in you. I'll tell you what's painting me. Dan is just giving me some. It's given me some gas over here and it's the very fact. I think that fit for a prince might be ranked too high Because there's no that's my next question is brand. Put it as the best in that man but sneakily to move it up when we put ice cast with. And i'm not having it that thumbprints movie with one shoe. That never appears in. The movie is not going to the middle category. Not on my life. That's an adult man. I've got i've got some bad news. Bad boy scouting drop garbage and we know it okay and then but it's hartson onder right now. Maybe not as not better than under splitting hairs about okay. I like listen. here's where i'm at. I think there's not a world where you can sit there and say The better bootcamp movie could be bad. The bad bad. I think you've got moved into i. If that moves up then to win also moves up to the second. I'm willing to say that. And here's why. Because i think that you've got to sports movies. That was two the winds better. You think Taking shop let me let me throw this at you. Boys what do you think about it going right and between the busby's or is it down here by four press. It's somewhere in here. Yes i gotta be honest that the only reason that i don't have it in the bottom is because i can't imagine winter getaway being any above the dumpster fire line but it has to be. We can't put it only four per line. So i know about up going to move up. Yeah and then here we are and then we just have to decide where this boys hanging out. Oh is the thing that we have to decide. Can we go to sleep tonight. Boys can you go to sleep tonight knowing that you put baby it's cold inside. No im- not the dumpster fire. Can you sleep tonight. So i can't but i'm obviously i can be outvoted then i'll sleep fun. Here's where i can't tell you where. I'm at personally spiritually impress puts. Haitian your heart. I think that my the three the for movies at stake here fit for a prince. In my opinion there are four movies that hold the key to everything for baby. It's cold inside winner getaway in one perfect wedding. We have to. We have to get in that slash and determine the order there and makes me feel. Dirty here is for me. All those movies are just just dirty. Rotten scoundrels. I wanna be clear but up those four movies. One perfect weddings my favorite one of those four of my no. No no in winter. Getaway is my least favorite really the the fact that the guy gets the helicopter and they're eating the short shooter. He loved that i love. That movie was a blast for know what collectively short choudhury every time. I don't know what you want from me. It just penalty way. it is pronounced the way. It spells c. h. a. r. c. Choudhury where do you get shooter. Because there's an age somewhere in there isn't there's just one eight at the beginning shar. There's one in the back. There's no secret age back. Saw them they sherry. So you're saying it's cure so for the people listening right now where we're arguing right now about the bottom five whereby which is the worst beverly hills wedding then. Snow kissed one perfect wedding winter. Get away get away and then your friends and babies him. We agree that snow kiss in beverly hills wedding not going to be touched. Yes let's just those two are cemented worse too so these next four where i am. Here's washes boy. Gushes eliza so now we're just dealing with. What are we taking out of dumpster. Fire okay so we just moved down. Decide ended dumpster fire category. Which where maybe one could argue. They belong but we've we've dug our grave and here we are capped at four. And i'm going to tell you the two movies. I would move up fit for a prince and one perfect wedding does the two. I would move up these two. I would four yes of these five okay or two of those movies these up. I'll tell you what to of fit for. Prince okay and winter getaway and moved up fit for a prince and one perfect wedding. What are you moving up brand of pain. So that means that means fit by mouth. It's moving back up okay. It's third so now you have to really paying away you have to decide. Is one winter ghetto or winter. Getaway or one perfect wedding. That's what you need to decide. Because dan i have made her bets. I disagree with both of them like i. i think. Ice castle maybe. it's yeah. I think it's a better sort of piecing i can. I'd concede i one. I put one babies called inside. I thought maybe it's called on saturdays if we do baby. It's cold inside a can. We switch the order of winter getaway one perfect wedding. Yeah of course that's fine here. We go we move that they're okay now. Now we agree we we are sold on the movie the territory the top ranking top top. Three or lockton. Yeah are we find with this order on the big fun of sakes we have from best to worst taking a shot at love right in front of me in two for the win i would i would. I personally would have taken a shot at love last category but i. I know that i'm probably out. Now you're f- owed guys think it's a top four move. Yes and that is. The ballerinas stuff is hilarious. It's good man. Oh it's so good. It hurts but i liked. i liked it. I liked this top six. Stop sticks. I like the way things are at here on dick from six i think i will no resolution. The problem is brand new years. You had new year's resolution we're gonna get there. We're going to get there. I just want to focus on to talk here when we did the podcast than you're doing then you are now. I know where. I know where i land now there. Yes okay fort like. If i was making this list it would probably be in the big. Maybe six it would move there. It'd be a four up there. Probably the only reason. Here's here's one of the reasons. I can't move up the right in front of you. As as much as i actually think again you have better performances than the hockey movie. First of all had more fun with the hockey movie. Second of all the it was always is shot. Essentially in one building like almost the entire time and no one hated the one building more than i do and then to take you a hate the one she winks the fake chicken wing and wing shortage. Why do you bring it up. It hurts my heart. I can't do it guys. I i was trying to be ca- can't compromise. I'm fine. I'm fine with this dan. Are we locking it in we. Don't i'm outvoted okay. We're lock so let's go. Standard feels the order from best to in the middle of the pack. Category nears resolution as luck would have it playing cupid. Don't go breaking my heart. I feel like this is a good representation of the podcast. I don't know necessarily about this order. I think the four movies are right. I think the order is gonna changed. Well i can tell you. I can tell you a couple of things. This is where my opinion on the milk goes. I think you guys have the irish movie. I i think you've got to have new year's resolution second and then i think you have better la bootcamp before the love bootcam- whatever it's likely never the none of those words are not it was don't go breaking my heart. Yeah is better than boot camp and get better love. Varela is better than what's the other one playing playing cupid. So i feel almost the reverse of that. I think new year's resolution is clearly the best movie of those movies. I don't and i think it's better than probably while you say that really i think. New year's resolution. Yeah i think it's better than at least one movie above it. Maybe too and also from the watch abilities would be resolved. We do from watch ability standpoint. It would be in the top three or four for me. I think the irish movies the worst of those four things. It's the best of those four. Can you jog back with me. New year's resolution like you remember. Do you remember the joy. That was had fudge. Taylor's daughter they make radia everything. Thought it was like an adult hall said if it would have come out. During the christmas season it would have been top ten. Okay then i can't even can't even crack this just six here or can it. I won't let i'm willing. We can have it in the big maybe six. Okay people integrate that. And here's the conundrum for you. Because now. In retrospect i think it's better than for the win for the winds better than both of the movies ahead of it. I think this is fair. I think this is safe. Okay yeah what. I like this. Because i do think it is where it belongs and i think the tier now matches the number. Yeah o'keefe are now but still we're looking at the ranking here so for me i'm gonna tell you where i'm okay for me is as luck would have it. Don't go break mahar. we'll boy. This is hard. I think it's as it's written so he wrestling as luck would have it and then don't go breaking my heart and then playing cupid you have the dancing and i would have gone playing cupid. Don't go breaking my heart as luck would have it. My problem is playing cupid's of boring movie. Here's the thing here's what we're going to be happening. Two of us agree. That don't go breaking. my heart. Should be second and you to agree. That look what happened. Should be i. So switch. Playing cupid indulge and my heart. And it works. I actually 'cause i wanna remind you about something The the remember the kids at the end of playing cupid. yeah and how they Gave her a a chair. Whatever stuff that was bad real bad but don't hearts real bad too but there's nothing as dom and that was dumb plus they have a great kiss. I wanna have a great kid very clear personally and i think if you go back and if you remember right we all. We all agreed. That italian richie's character and heart is one of the best of the if you go back and listen to our opinions on these movies if the bottom if the bottom two categories weren't chock-full at eight we would all three of us would have one of those movies in that bottom eight. You don't go breaking my heart. You would have playing cuban. I would have now no but you would have it in those two. There's a lot compromise. Your and i think. That's where would i do i do. You're saying but. I also think that you are remember like this is. This is the argument to be had about that. Don't heart it's the most contentious movie of the year because for me. I liked almost everything about the movie. I didn't necessarily like the the male character that it didn't happen didn't bring enough to the movie so despite how much i loved the italian richie character and how which i like the plot that brought it down and so doesn't mean that i didn't really like the movie for me. It is standard fields. Don't do that before we did this. I don't if you rank these one to eighteen brand. I don't think you'd had don't break in my heart at nine. I think you'd had it lower. You had a lot. I think you'd probably have like eleven. That's all i'm saying. Okay but i had playing cupid heart. I wouldn't have that. I think is high. And that's what i'm saying. it's compromise. standard feels is the category. Where i think it's the most. But i because but i think it's compromised by get something that once in that habit. Most of our listeners would have that in the top category. Yes and i think this is a good. It's a good compromise. I think that was tough. Heart are equally locking it in. I feel good about feel good about it all right. So are you ready. The definitive rankings of the hallmarks so far twenty twenty one and number eighteen beverly hills wedding number. Seventy snow kissed number sixteen winter getaway number fifteen one perfect wedding and the fourteen baby. It's cold inside number. Thirteen fit for a prince twelve hearts down under number eleven chasing waterfalls number ten playing cupid number. Nine don't go breaking my heart number seven so help me as luck would have it number six new year's resolution wait a minute you your new counties. I think you've counted the the irish. Move your own number six two for the web number five just right in front of me number. Four taking a shot. Shuttlecock number three sweet carolina number to mix up in the mediterranean and the number one movie of the year so far so far is it was all we did everybody. You did a good job This episode was on youtube. If you wanna watch it all the rankings all the tears you can see it happen real time real argument boys. It's really happening. I feel good. I feel like this is he. I feel i feel like we all got what we wanted. And you'd never see win win win. But i feel like there's been win win win and the description as episode. You can find the link to make your own tier of the movies so far you can put them in the order that you think and you can share it with us on. The social media at hallmark podcast. Did this wrapping up but in the comments. Because if you're in the Double decker rambled him plus calm. You can watch this live. People are saying that it's an arbitrary rule. We can only have four at the bottom. And i like the fact that we can live for the bottom because it makes me rank bad movies but do we think that that's arbitrary that you can only afford the bottom because i mean we think that. What do you mean like a lot of these movies. More movies should be down there now. I don't. I don't think that i say there's just so happens to work out that four four works but there's a tear difference. I think between all like i would. I would split. Each one of these movies thing we did right is there is in my mind. A clear line of demarcation between the quality of playing cuba and chasing waterfalls and everything below chasing waterfalls is in one basket of terrible and everything above. It is in a separate mask. And i think that separation makes me happy because the six ten movies above the babai bad line or clearly qualitatively better than eight below. It and i'm happy about. That's how i can sleep but for me. I think these two the two worst are the students. Come here my goodness yeah and so i think the foreign four make it make it smooth. I just don't see much difference in most like that. That is castle. Movie was really bad like i. I don't like you're going to tell me that. It's better or worse than christmas getaway or whatever i mean like whatever. Yeah we will put the lincoln the description. Make your own tears. Share it with us at hallmark podcasts. We'd love to see. And what you're thinking i know they're always going to be different and that'll be a lot of fun until next week where i don't know what we're doing yet. It's all a mystery but it's going to be great is still preview episodes. Good go while us come into summer getaway summer. Love summer fest until then. Maybe the first which. You ain't mary christmas deck. The homework is a bramble jim. Podcast recorded live. and yeah that greenville. South carolina is produced by brandon. Gray set decor plum. Haywood mall for more information on. All bramble jam podcast. You can go to bramble jam. Podcast dot com for more information on how to listen to the homework. Ask free you can go to bramble jam. Plus dot com.

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Detroit City of Champions  The 35-36 Red Wings. Pt 12 Regular Season: Coup De Grace  Episode 35

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Detroit City of Champions The 35-36 Red Wings. Pt 12 Regular Season: Coup De Grace Episode 35

"Nineteen thirty five. The lions win the nfl championship. The detroit tigers take a world series the red wings bring home mold stanley. Joe lewis begins his rise to world domination. This transforms the motorcity into detroit. City of champions. There it is with the crack of the bat. We are off and running. It isn't detroit city of champions. I'm jamie flanagan charles and We're diving deeper into the nineteen thirty city of jebusites. it's it's a trilogy of books. It's screenplay to be a movie on netflix. Before you know it just season the history of americans it is. It is absolutely not down yet. So charles we are. We've been tigers. We've been lions and now we're like deep into the red wings and i thought we were still in december. And you're like no dude. We're like we're into march february. We're headed towards. We're battling with the the blackhawks right. It's been a. It's been a back and forth goto all season with those feek. Freakin blackhawks is yeah. It's just been it's been a lot of time in previous episodes describing. How like a lot of times we talk about these rivalries other teams time talking about how the blackhawks rival rivalry evolved. Well there is another rivalry that it's between Detroit city champions in the man cave happy hour and the rivalry occurs when we record a man gave happy hour before city of champions and matthew and i are drinking like fish during that i wouldn't say fish i would say we're we're we're consuming beverages and then i get on with you charles and i tried to play like a sober fella but I'm not a cat guys level to catch up to your level. So just he's in but yeah no so. We recorded episode of the the man cave. Happy hour hear podcast. Detroit studios downtown detroit at the detroit shipping company so thanks to everybody who's Making noise outside the studio other places alive. It's it really is. It's warming up. It's a beautiful thing in the city. So and if you're listening and you're not hanging out outside the studio clamoring at the glass like subscribers as opposed to going on leave a comment like small ripe follow follow follow me you meal cracker give us give us a follow but But where we're at is like the whole season has been up and down the beginning of the season. Really everything i mean. Now it's really tasso so we're with the we're We're heading into the last like quantity finally game games. Forty eight game season spoiler alert. You know we know. We talked about last week that we we're moving towards the end of the regular kind of overall of where we're at in the season you know. The season starts out for the first thirteen games. You know the team is called the hitless wonders. They've got this all star while that they've been building up on. They can't score for worth their salt. And then after these this initial phase they go through what we were calling the orgy. Victory which was just a complete explosion. Harry's is so they go with the completely flipped the script and basically balance it out to the point where they rise up to first place on the exact same day that the detroit lions win the first. Nfl championship right. Joe lewis is awarded the most outstanding athlete of the year by the associated press. So everybody's detroit. Newspapers just filled with that was the yeah that was the hand upon the entire season. How it show it. You'll it rotated from the stories of the tigers. Joe louis and analysis sudden the red wings are in the limelight. They're the around them because now if the red wings can win this final championship. They they clean sweep major sports title. Because major basketball wasn't a thing was basketball. Didn't even a college college sports but it was more akin to like There's a video game called bill lacrosse time. it was. There's no there's no basketball there's video image of eskimo cross. Drink some water. This of sorry video game called bill combat basketball. We're basically game and that's kind of how basketball yes. It was basically we only different types of rules and bring the bring that back combat basketball gold. Get this super nintendo game copy and the glitch in the corner is three points. That's an nba. Jam aren't all right. So but so so yes so with this. They're on the cusp of dewey. Yes hold this could be a queens again. The red wings had. This is a team that you know. We look at hockey town now. But in this era. They're they're struggling to get any seats and in the stadium and the canadian fans are coming to watch. Canadian teams redwing detroit teams. I know there's but they've never really established themselves in the city but now with with all these other titles and always other winners in the city all is around the red wings. Because they're they're represent the final p. To what could become this clean sweep of championships throughout this whole season. Stadium is full now. It's so in the early season we talked about. How in this when we talk about. The hitless wonder period of the season. There's nobody there. There's like four thousand fans at the game right but then as they start to win as he started they were they role in the first place and now all of a sudden the attention is on them they start to sell out game after game after game is so they're setting attendance records like every game is then we so then we talked about how they went from first place in the the season kind of evolved into this dogfight where they were playing the black hog the two biggest rival the the were playing the american division of the nhl so their two biggest star rivals in this division are the blackhawks in the boston. Bruins sold both. Those teams had t- tremendous players. And so on so. They went through this phase where they're playing against. They had a couple of games against the blackhawks. A couple of games against the bruins and sawyer. They came out of that Still you know still they went. They dipped under first place for a minute. Came back up so it's kind of going back and forth and then we talked about last week. How there's injuries came into play in how they're minor league team the detroit olympics like how pressured it was how big it was jack. Adams had developed this winning mentality leagues farm system at that exactly. It was a farm system in your back pocket as yes in the farm team. That actually played at olympia. Which was a which allowed them to literally just shuffled players in and out of the lineup guys weren't playing while they could drop them down the olympics. That's the name of the minor teams detroit olympics and they could shove them in and out of that line of guys got injured especially they had a ready source of up and coming talent they could literally just bring onto the ice with the red wings from bay city or grand rapids. Exactly which which would've taken much time this case. They could literally shuffled them all so in in psalm. So we do we titled the last week's episode of the all always line because they actually got to a point where there to the to their top line of marty berry. Laura larry orient herbie lewis to those guys went down with injuries. Herbie lewis and mary ori and so they were able to bring up to. They moved up to a couple of guys from their second line onto the first in then. They brought up these olympics players. In that at one point they actually had an entire line made up of minor league players that jack adams had developed. Y'all all through this olympic since we called it. The all os line is reference. I call it that just sort of in reference to like. How in the in the model david charlie. Charlie who else no no for that. We aren't giral right. We had with star so we had art show at right wing. We'll start left wing. Wally kilrea at center bucko mcdonald at the defense and bugle goodfellow at the other defense and the norm smith and then normies smith at goalie. Okay so also is al- always including the goalie had all come up through the os goodfellow. Probably was the old. you know. he'd been four or five years since he but the other part is but the other guys raw fresh from the. Yeah so it. Take us today so whatsoever so i call this episode today. The the khuda grass. Which was the fis. The final leg of the season And and so we're we're we're beginning with game forty out of this forty eight game season And so game. Forty begins with the return of larry ari so last week of the final episode. The final game we talked about last week show Was that that her we lewis had returned and herbie lewis had great game in one of the big things that he did was he saved. That'd be good fellows life in this in this. When that when that's wrong blake came down to stay ahead of the totem lake was was a rookie with a stick right. Yeah he's long as stick around in tobe blake ended up becoming. Nhl hall of famer is one of the best players ever in hockey but this was his rookie year. He came down to hack with stick. They say swung elegant axe to split his skull and herbie lewis came in just the nicotine with his stick in basically like a sword. Deflecting another sword. You know glance the blois way only barely clip debbie's head it's not the i mean and then the are you not entertained so that there can be only so the following so the following is the result of the you know what the result of this was this wild riot at olympia. Where there's like. I mean it's just it's an it's like the fans are porn on the ice. The owners comes out of the by the owner. Got a couple of punches in the owners you see. Mike illitch wheeling out before he passed on his wheelchair. Go after somebody. Just just you know a lotta times we you know people think that like the nineteen thirties or this doll blache era where it's just smaller guys in. You know whatever but this is completely untrue as we've talked about throughout the whole course on. It's like every other game. There's some massive battle royale ryan. Jack adams is going into the crowd after fan. Luxy glass talks another week. We're gal who is short south of the tigers. He was he was at a game and he was in the front row and he got clipped with a stick in the face by a riot by got new close to the action he got a kitten that got four stitches at a red wings game starting shortstop of the tiger back then they were supporting one. Another time. we've talked about how joe louis was at a minor league game. he was on a fight with wally. Kilrea fighting a guy who was like twice the size. So yeah like joe. Louis was games that the the game where the red wings moved in. First place the the entire half the lions team was there and they were celebrating with the red wings in the in the locker room for because they had moved into first place on the day that the the lions were winning the champs so there so there was a massive interrelationship between these players from different teams on these go on a game supporting the teams redwings were the last piece of the last piece of the puzzle. Yeah so all so not. Only were all eyes on them which was very beneficial. But if they didn't win in the same season it could have been massively detrimental because they were the ones that failed under pressure so right. So that's why. I this was so key that all that you know that. That's why that's drama that's you can't i mean the the people watching the games knew that they're like they have to win. This isn't lake. Maybe hopefully they can win. This was like they have to win or the or else they're going to be you know under the microscope for the negative reason so so anyway so we start with game forty in this game. Larry ori comeback so that so now their top line is reunited. Larry ori marty berry and herbie lewis january. Nineteen thirty six. This is february's on march sixth. Nineteen thirty wow okay game forty yes and so there so in this game against the americans on who they call the amerks back then. I'm so i'll just give you a brief quote about the impact that leary had when he returns to the lineup. So of course our you know one of our favorites our favorite hockey reporters certainly leo mcdonald talks about yes In this here so jubilant in the wake of an amazing smashing victory here last night. Jack adams jack adams cup-chasing red wings in all their glory moved on today to montreal where they meet the maroons saturday. Night with larry. Ori return to action. Detroit skin elating. First line performed brilliantly scoring all four goals ori himself with no evidence of a wreck. Breast bone lead the attack with two goals. And so Scintillating yes so so only scored from in front of the net a goal which goal which shaw the to the to to american players protested claiming the detroit player kicked the puck into the cage. And i'm just going through a huge article. I'm just reading a couple of clips from it. Was that when it was legal. Not really that's why they're protesting so So yeah anyway so as a huge can see so as accused Scores two goals in his return assists on another the top line. Scores all four goals in a win the game four to one so it was a huge wins. Just come back always back. The time was reunited there back informed formed. They're ready to roll and everything's going good. Follow to come back. Forty four to one. Everything's go so sounds all made in the shade. It's all made the ready to just storm through right rights. Yes however questions so what ends up happening is so game we got a little dip. I'm looking at. I'm looking at the game by game position and we got a little there's a peak. Yes we got valley coming major valley and so game forty. One is a three five loss. The maroons game. Forty-two attuned mantra roseanne. Game forty two a two to five loss to boston at home so they lose again gained forty three zero to one loss to boston. Shut out by tiny thompson. This golden we talked about a couple of weeks ago. Best going the. Nhl shuts them out so so as three games and they lose in that knocks. That puts them down for their only plus. They're only one game up over chicago. Blackhawks freaking black gas game. Forty four three two four loss to new york rangers. Say lose four games in a row. Who the only reason that they still hanging in blackhawks and bruins on the bruins have picked up a couple of games. From the the wins they just had the red wings but the blackhawks are also losing it the small. So it's a. It's a pretty thin margin now super thin. 'cause they're still only now they're only game off. Were at one point. They were like you know they were when they were winning. They have this huge win and now they're coming down. It's so game. Forty-four there's a call in this thing which actually rolled down. Because i thought it was pretty significant. It kind of talks about. That's moment it wasn't just because goals weren't going in. They plan terrible so again. Leo mcdonnell says this wings wings team which played last night was not good enough to win one of the old pontchartrain hotel. Shaving mugs Let alone a stanley cup. So they're talking about this. It wasn't just bad you know they've just going in this. They're just literally playing terribly. And i'm looking at the graphic you know. Forty four and forty five. There was a small increase in production. Very small increase right. Well i'll show you so that were. So here's the thing. So so so one of the things i want to mention here is that is adams when things are starting to go bad. Yeah bucko mcdonald. This are a fan favorite. We love we do buckle. Yes oh yeah so buck. Hard hitting rookie defenseman. His we love bucko in so Early in the season book was known for like the newspapers loved him. Because he's like eating these ridiculous stakes chambres. Biggest from the norm got big huge personality. Everybody's loving them in writing all these articles. How flattering and how funny it is that eat such big meals but now everything's going bad it's like all of a sudden books go there you go. Yeah goes eating. Do much get into fat. Somebody's blades not you can see. Yes so yes so you can see how sharpen those thing. We're talking about the bender. Compal yes but anyways they So yeah they're so bucko now is you know. There's a huge article about like says has lectured by jack adams these projects like he's going gonna eat himself out of the league. He's you know he's trying to live up to this reputation that the newspaper reporters are giving him for being this crazy eater. You know big you know big guy in there. I gotta pull the marvel out edith salad so anyway so that you know that kind of reflects like when everything starts to go bad. They're kind of like you know there's you know they're talking bad about what's going on. You know these things that used to be fond cute and whatever are now like its whimsical. Whimsical when you're winning exactly when you're winning all of its detriment when you're losing so that's that's the mood of what's going on third. They're losing and they're all wheel. One regions buckles eaten. Well it out of the league and so once again only the only again losses by boston chicago are what keep the wings in this and so they're still up a point it's the fact that these other teams are losing which is only really the reason. Why detroit still hanging in there so game. Forty-five the wings. It's a one one tie of the canadians and so game. Forty six is once again. They're just still still hanging in there up up by a. I believe by two points so so anyway so they go on a game forty-six and another loss wanted to those wanted to toronto. So so they're they're at home in front of the largest attendance of the season. Thirteen thousand seven hundred twenty six fans large. In how many folks they lose wanted to folks thousand so this is like standing mean. There's not they're packing a man. There's so many people wanted to come into these games and they lose. they're losing. They're losing game after game after game again. Once again So tiny thompson for for boston. Their goalies shutouts chicago to help the wings. Stay two games ahead So the game. They're actually picked up a game. Tommy solar so they actually. So they're still. They're still hanging on right so so now with so game. Forty-seven is the game of games. This is the final game against the blackhawks for the season holy smokes. So here's a situation. So the game so the so the wings are two games up on on the black heart in the way account is that a win counts for two points. A loss counts for zero points. So if the blackhawks win this game is only came on this game. Forty-seven there's only forty eight games. A loss against the blackhawks sets the wings up to to where on the blackhawks tied with them going into the final game of the season. You see so this is. This is a must win game. It's all their soul employment. You know the the the if if we have that graphic showed the From last week with the with the records of all these things don't use graphics this week about the the records but the one that we use three weeks ago i think it was anyways. The law the wings hawks. Yeah the wings in the and the the wings in the because long shorter was that the two teams they basically gone back and forth. I got the question mark up. Yeah so so they were gone back and forth so like the the wings would win the first game and and the blackhawks in the next game and then they'll go back and forth all the way through the season into the point where they were literally. Their season series was tied three two three three three a three. They both had one three loss right and had one three one. Yeah three hundred one going into the final game where it's all the money's on the table and all we. We spent a great deal of time talking about this massive rivalry between. That's coming up on the forty seven the last best hope for it to be a trifecta plus one. Well this is. They're trying to get to the playoffs. Right now okay okay soldiers. Yes so boston and chicago. This is regular season conclusion regular season. Right let's can happen in the last couple of games because the long because what happens is if the blackhawks win the blackhawks moving tire for the wings for first place in boston's nipping at their heels. To and the boss is do it. So if the like boston wins and the blackhawks win they both passed. They both tie with winning. In essence a three way tie for first wings lose the final game of the season these to win the wings. Don't even make the playoffs. And they get knocked out by the blackhawks who two years prior had knocked them out in the stanley cup final. So there's a lot of pressure pressures and they get knocked off from the city of champions running pressures. I i would say animosity jane. Forty seven guys. Coach's player the goal. The blackhawks is a former guy that was cut by the red wings. The owners are neighbors in chicago. That detest each other. I mean there's the i mean they've been fighting for years. You know blood blood and teeth on to the exactly their neighbors in chicago. The norris owns the building than hey. Turn your stereo down. James norris actually owns the building that the blackhawks plan all that to rub their you know. Rub rub their faces in it all the time. Hey turning graph down kind of a situation yes yes. So this is the situation. And it's to just a couple of quick Quick quote stubs. Here what are the so jack. Adams is trying to explain. Why just red wings team has been slumping so bad so so once again. This is on march eighteenth on by leeann mcdonnell and he says manager jack adams and red wings spent anxious moments around the telegraph operators in olympia last night awaiting returns from a game between the blackhawks and the new york rangers. When word came that the rangers had beaten the blackhawks. A huge smile spread across the face of atoms. Adams didn't cheer so that they they're talking about how anxious they were there gathering on the radio because this because if we're hinges if the blackhawks had not been beaten by the rangers in this game they'd be tied already saying like this is sort of the beef before so now they got beat now. They're still got an an edge over the next day game still up by two. But but you know that. This was a huge relief. When you're playing that team it's a to gain swing. So yes the very least they have a little bit of a cushion that if so that it was big so on. So so jack. Adams says That's something that redwing manager grown adams adams comparatively young man before the redwings started the disastrous road trip. That ended saturday night in montreal was ready for for the townsend plan. After trial lick wing. Sunday it was a six game of the red wings had played without a victory. What is the matter with the red wings adams got it through the wings themselves got it and the newspaper. Men got it on their own return from the return. The recent trip the slump is one of those on explicable. Things that that that comes to most clubs hockey baseball or passing the beanbag the red wings. They are just as good a club as they were a month ago. So they're saying there's this horrible slump. They've been in. the answer. Is passing the beanbag an allusion to football. I i don't know i think i think it was Just play like old fashioned cornhole game on so anyways so this is one of the same. So this is the hype article for this segment gave so this. Is the hype article from this. The upcoming hawks game that they're about to play. Who was leo mcdonald's. He's draw la from from accelerate. The he was the sports writer for detroit. News the news. We get to joe louis which he taught when we talk about the joe louis wait. Ucla articles by bob murphy even quoting because we got if we if he the dumpster who did a lot on the tigers what did does mcdonnell work for. So he is the detroit times times okay. So he's times. He kind of almost wish the times stiller. All absolutely you know because in today's world you'd almost need that type of writing kind of cut through all the solely political correct. They have all this year. They have all this really colorful writing with their you. It's not the rest won the game. I sent their like red wall. Red wolves on the prowl. -actly we had to rely those all. There was there was no tv. There's no yeah. Radio was in its infancy for expensive for happy. So if you're trying to present this story where you're reading this action packed. Adventure story is yes some might be like colored up like maybe you know you're you're reading it. You'll rena article near lake. Warriors of the ice lanes sharpened sticks. And everything are heading up and down but it brings color. It makes you feel like you're there or at the very least that you wish you were there. See so but yeah so is so. He wrote this article. This game is a game. Pre-game april okay. This massive game coming up so So this no. The head of the article title is called putt. Classic looms game with hawks tonight and saw a red wing hockey club which has faltered in the stretch drive for the national league pennant just as the bunting seemed in its grass takes an arch enemy in the chicago. Blackhawks before a capacity crowd at olympia. Tonight with a chance to clinch first place honors if it loses the race will go into a tie between tonight's rivals a point behind the hawks and three points behind the wings or the boston bruins outfit as charged towards the top. Recent games in which is all pepper is all pepped up the opportunity to sneak into the first place spot. Before the regular schedule is concluded the blackhawks like the red wings have suffered recent reverses losing to rangers and bruins in the last two starts. Thus the hawks are in the same mood is a wings and because both teams are anxious to redeem themselves. The game at the grand river ice palace promised the game at the grand river ice palace promises to be one of the most of the season in addition to the importance of the game to the two teams. There is quite a bit of feeling between the squads that has bonded and flowers in the point which goes beyond mere emnity. Whatever that is so clemenceau clem clem. Lafon manager of the hawks would rather win. One game from the detroit. Boxers than four from the other teams in the league. And jack adams the wings boss entertains nothing but a burning desire to see his lads wall up the daylights out of the chicago. Love the i love to use the word wall of in article lads wallet but the same sentence so it's critical for both and you can see not only it's like adding besides that they don't like each other and one would rather win one game against them than four against anybody else so it's just so lessons that's one of the things. I've been trying to emphasize from the beginning. This whole thing is just this this rivalry with them and how burning red hot so this is the game on. The nineteenth is coming up. Wrote this on the team. Yes happened on the nineteenth. This is game number. Forty seven or forty seven and there's only eight forty eight in the season clear. Put that graphic beco-. I did all right. There's the forty if you go from forty four to forty five forty six and then see. Forty-seven oh holy crap that production. Yeah well that's up and down in the standings up one game they're down one officer rising falling and they'll canning's so yeah because they as a roller coaster because every every book that talks about the nineteen thirty five red wings they make it sound like they just went from coast to coast and just the way through it and that was all there was to it. They had this great line them. Got everybody and it was way more with the drama behind it. That's why i say like this could be one of the greatest like you know the whole thing with all the teams would be the one. That's certainly one of the greatest Like a miniseries. Like i called a sports epic with all the teams in it. But this redwing story itself is just. I mean it's got everything it's got you know injuries to the primary stars. It's got rookies. Like bucko mcdonald that. Come out of nowhere on. They've got rivalry with the blackhawks. You've got these you know some of the most legendary hockey players of all time that they have to overcome like in tiny thomson with the with the boston bruins. Just you've got everything in so what happens on the nineteenth so on the nineteenth. I'll read the article for the whole thing about article. For who are buddy. Leo mcdonnell so this and so the article comes out on the twentieth. Which means the game was on the on the previous night so on so the red wings. Today we're the proud champions of the american division of the national hockey league ice on the heels of a smashing victory over the chicago blackhawks. Five to three in a blazing game with between thirteen thousand five hundred twenty two fans. I actually. I said i said that. Wrong any blazing game beach before thirteen thousand five hundred twenty two delirious fans. Lear is jammed olympia last night. So i will skip ahead because there's quite a bit onto it to Oh okay reiter says by clinching. First place the red wings earned the right to meet either toronto or or the montreal. Maroons one of which will be the winner. In the international section in the first of the league championship games which get underway next tuesday so on the little things. Has smith hurt me. Norma smith so the game was also marked by a remarkable display of game nece on the part of normal smith the detroit goalie who injured in the second period when it struck in the groin by puck off the stick of mush march after a brief rest smith though suffering resumed his pulse in the net between the periods. He was given medical attention in the dressing room after the game was still in pain and groggy with marty berry the smart irishman's playing the smart irishman playing a role in four of his team's five goals. Detroit's first line performed brilliantly all three of the line berry berry larry ori and herbie lewis turned in markers and each assists in one or more mud. Brunettes ho brought up from the olympics. Johnny sorrel were the other wings. Who glittered in the scoring department to young bruneta went to honor of of inaugurating the goal getting punching the puck into the chicago net in the fading moments of the opening period. Is he raked soils rebound to turn the trick with caracas. Looking out the window. The alert bruna toll came in fast from nowhere in caught the former detroiters sleeping as a red light flashed a great roar boom through the big amphitheater. The crowd didn't have long to wait in the second heat for another demonstration or returning berries pass in front of the goalmouth into the net and a spectacular play in which lewis also played a part rushing the puck into chicago territory to start a smart play so The last little section the third period was still young when berry added to detroit margin. Pretty tally he finished off. Spectacularly in the wake of a whirlwind teaming with doug young the length of the ice. So i was sort of a little brief overview of the of the game and some sort of the highlights highlight moments. So mud right we. He's he's the guys they brought us. Yes so he's new. He's new again while he he's new to the stirred out early in the season with the team. His name moderate mod bruneta ahmad. Yes so so so. They called him you know. He was nicknamed mud from because modern name is mud backwards as to dis so So mud brunettes is names. We will definitely get to him. But mud bruins one induction the red wings hall of fame at at some point in the future. But so he's gonna play so this is this is not some obscure player. I mean he's obscure to us today but sure So so mud brunettes hall early on in this early on a season had been one of the first guys like he like like He'd been one of these guys are adams brought from the olympics. Like he's going. Be you know from when the olympics beat the redwings in the inner city series brought farm team the yes because early before the season starts. There's an inner city series between the olympics. And the redwings in the in the olympics beat the red wings at one of these guys clue they brought into the team was mod brunettes hoax. He was so good was he. Who is he playing for the olympics. Okay wings but he went to the first twenty games of the season without scorn. Hitless stuff down. So they brought him to center back down. Yeah it's so. It's so now towards the end of the season so throughout this entire injuries whatever they bring him back he's he's playing fantastic loans. We need that was spun. Forward defence spunk. Yeah yeah well. So there yeah. So that's what they're saying is yes. So they're so that's the thing was is this was. this was not necessarily some injury replacement. What brunette seoul was playing fantastic. The owes at this point are six games up in fact. They clinched their division either this night or the night prior to this there so they're headed to so mud was game. Mud was playing fantastic for the olympic. Yes right and then. He's playing so good that they brought him up right at the end of the year and started against the house startled. All right. i mean he wasn't he wasn't in the first line but i mean he played He put he put them in rotation he scored. The first goal is lack hawks now van and that's one of the genius. Parts of jack adams put a cog into what he's got going on us to really off put. What the blackhawks thoughts. Yeah it brings it gonna end in. The systems of the two teams are so similar that he can bring up a guy. That's playing well in the minors in slot them into and it's the same it's the same arena and none of the other guys know what this guy's all exactly so he's sort of a secret weapon that kind of thing but he but he was already on atoms radar because early in the season he'd already starting brought them up but then he didn't he didn't he wasn't scoring back at the end of the year he'd have been plan so well with his olympics. Who again. I want to mention one more time so we can so everybody knows the olympics had just made the ihl playoffs and basically the same day as the red wings so the minor league i love story headed to the to the to the playoffs. Same time right so the bowl teams so so yes so all again mud all sent to the red got a huge in two sweaters in his bag. yes what. You're not skated hard enough. We're going to have you skate even harder to play tomorrow and sleep tonight again right. Yes so modest going to basically this. This huge moment is going to pre-stage another huge moment. you know probably the next. We're gonna be talking about it. But that's why i wanted to kind of introduce them a little bit because Because this is this is big as this goal was this is nothing compared to what he's gonna do. This is a this in the phone. The first goal. We'll see come fair place you come on. We gotta be listeners. Want more just a teaser. For the first goal in the game with the blackhawks the very started the scoring. he started the scoring. To said a thunderous ovation. You know this rookie comes up. And he scores this huge goal. All right what else. What else this is the real saw. Slow those forty seven. There's only one game regular a couple little tidbits. 'cause was this game. This was this was the articles from this. You know huge and saw leo mcdonagh had another thing that was sort of reporting on some of the other like extracurriculars floating around besides just the game. a little can imagine. Islam is like when the wings in the playoffs right. And you go downtown. And bob over here is like bob used to. Dj at the post bar which was like a stumbling and vomit. Distance from joe serena and you know when when the city was alive with playoff hockey it was alive. I mean it was it was it was serious that it wasn't kid around with Yeah it was right. It was three hundred people deep trying to get into that place in a in a bar. That's like a hundred capacity. Yeah i learned. This is what. I learned the places close so i can talk about it now. There used to be the every time the after a red wings game the fire chief would would just show up at the and there would be an envelope waiting for him with a beer and a shot and Slowly grabbed the envelope. Drink is drink and then slowly leave the. Let the debauchery and sue. Say the post bar though. I mean the post bar part of like eighties eighties in the nineties. And and and the excitement of when the wings were doing well in those seasons it was it was a part of it and when the city comes alive for a team effort. There's no stopping it. Well that's how this was and that's what they actually acknowledged that in the article about one of the first episode. We did this entire show. And i love. The grandma's was how apps all the way actually talked about how the fans had played such a major role in this. Because he's fans are looking for something to get excited about in the middle of the great depression. Yeah so as soon as he's play remotely well we thought the fans out in droves and it was and it was like they went from one sport to the next you know in their thousands and so it was like they were engaged in every single spore at a time that like other sports and other cities were just you know hockey was somewhat in its infancy like no nfl with someone infancy it yet. These teams are getting thousands of fans shown all and they're playing for something. These games plan for something because they were the last piece of that puzzle in this case. Yes but i'm saying like the fans went from basically sport to sport to sport a writer early on that we talked about that. Actually when they said what he said. There's actually article was called upon. What meat does Detroit the upon. What does detroit feed. That makes it so. Great lynn sports. Like what is it. What may detroit great. How are they able to do all these things aside and they were saying it was the fans that got behind these teams. That really gave you choices advantage. Where every game. They're playing for something. They're getting excited in the fans. Were really like that sort of that. You know x factor. That helped them win these thirteenth the thirteen. Yeah exactly yeah so anyways couple tip is from the game more about on the forty seven game right. Yeah so The article says that the thing it'd be good fellow like bested olympia last night. Was bob clark's or peeling out. Hail to the victors. after the red wings great victory over the blackhawks. It sure sounded sweet. Goodfellow declared so they're playing you of fight song hail to the way which was kind of a cool kind of a cool thing. You've 'em fans out there. No okay mr you were down there. You've in dearborn mojo. I won't say it. Oh seriously is like my fraternity brothers. We all went to dearborn early guys. We went to dearborn. Relax relax a little bit. go ahead go ahead go. yes we've got some. I love the play. A huge huge bucko mcdonald hit says. Buck mcdonald alba. Put trudell up in the rafters when he checked chicago player in the first period in the crowd howled so monsters was was laid out the fact that they would include him in this in this list of these different Random things so buckle got a massive hit that just went and got the crowd going crazy Said is on the level kaplan says. Maurice kaplan reported that. He was hurried home from detroit. Tigers camp at lakeland florida. Charlie ganor. i'm the on. The level kaplan said every time gearing. You heard the wings loss. He all but broke down and cried. He's sure a bug meaning of fan. Wait wait i'm sorry go back. He was lakeland florida. yes yes. He got hurried back. Yes this is March this is spring training right. Yeah right because they know. Backup to detroit yes. How long does it take to the today. It's the morse code. They gotta get that. yes i think. He was relaying messages to ganor because a huge rhetoric. Because it's not. It's not like you know you got one hundred channels. It's like oh the wings all in on this it's like local radio and that's it and then there's like the news why that's why i wanted to stop that when when i make fun. It's like code almost so it's adding a little more. You're adding another player to what we already know is different fans and how they talk about the half. The lions right in the tigers are yes charlie. Gehring is is a die hard red wings. That's sad love it trying to point this. Maurice kaplan reporting which. Just shut up he was. He was hurried home from detroit. Tigers camp at lakeland. Florida on the on the level. Kathleen said every time getting a heard. The wings lost the all but broke down and cried. He sure is a bug in a bug as thirties. Reference for fan. That's how the word fan even started was like it was like evolved from the i don't know don't ask me. The exact became fans freed him home from lakeland florida to detroit. Information the information the information from detroit to lakeland. So i was thinking in person. My yeah so. At the end of the game doug young snared the puck and toss it into the crowd as a souvenir. So derek goes unhappy fans imagine. Could you imagine somebody actually resurfaced with that pau blackouts game. If you park like why would you not like Why would you get rid of that. How how would you document. It doesn't matter. I would tell you why it doesn't matter okay. Because nobody's ever like who is going to relinquish that. Let me let me make my case. Legal microphone so of all the games in the history. We've already acknowledged idea that this one thousand nine hundred five red wings team has basically forgotten. Yeah okay whenever you read a detroit history book and the red wings. Hey there's virtually nothing in there everybody's original six original six not for the widespread for the widespread on mainstream detroit sports world detroit red wings season of one thousand nine hundred. Eighty five is virtually unknown. They don't even they barely know that it even happened. Let alone the story behind it. Okay and i. And i'm going to be totally honest with you Charleston i am one of people i had no idea about the story. Yeah i'm sitting here and listening and not getting sleep at this point. I what i'm saying is when i say this isn't trying to say this season with this. Entire season was completely forgotten but specifically does nineteen thirty five red wings season in. What like just the fact that it even happened. Okay there's none. None of these players names are hanging in the rafters. Joe louis or of of Little caesars arena. There's no there's like a celebration of the season as a base revert is the only thing you get. Maybe like the day like. Oh on this date. They won the thing. There's only two stories that they ever talked about how this game ever and the us the longest game ever is like the pretty much the only ever hear from from the that comes out of this story or the fact that they won the cup at the end of the thing but the drama from this entire season is completely forgotten. All the stars season are completely forgot right. So that's not what i'm trying to get at is if somebody came in or if you saw some seventy with said i've got this puck like if you're somebody that it's gotta be it's gotta be some. If you caught that pocket that game you would know what major big deal was to own that pot right and so all of your descendants when you pass and tell them you would say no matter what happens. This is the greatest puck of all time. Do you see this watch exactly. Yeah just like somebody came forward. Throw forward if somebody came forward. Usually what happens you would like right. You know using a right. What what are the puck would help puck nova charles. No but but i differ. I defer to the i defer to the uh the plaque the champions plaque and how that got how that got just out of existence in record sold at a garage sale for thirty bucks right so i could i could very well see like somebody had the puck and treasure it for a while but then it just went away right. What i'm trying to say is that this is something. That's such a specific moment in time. Right right why would you claim this puck from that game. All i mean if somebody can you say if somebody came back now and said i have this puck while if somebody came forward and said i have a puck that from the game. Forty-seven of nineteen thirty five mice grandfather. It's such a specific moment in time. Nobody's really knows about it would give a crap about. I would believe that. That's what i'm saying. I would believe them based on that specific if they had some information back. But here's what. I'm saying that their grandfather's from detroit and he was alive. And but here's what i'm saying. I'm saying it could very well. It could very well have disappeared too and just been thrown out in a box of. Oh all this horse poop in over and just threw it out yes exactly. I know there's like anything can be thrown out there for. I can see. I can see that. That's uncomfortable. We'll fix that but no you're good man so the plaque it was got posted in a school. You're good and then it got it got sold when the school was getting Destructed shared Demolition they took the plaque out of it. And the plaque went to a family from the family it was sitting out in the open getting rained on in a garage sale. And then you know. Good god you know so. It's hard to imagine that this is probably loss is actually pretty is kind of a sad thing you know. Yeah definitely but All right so where we at. So we're at as the The redwings win the game. That saw de so so anyways. Yeah so there's one more game of the season game forty-eight red wings redwings win the game seven two. They go on to the playoffs. So the last game ended up seven two yup game. Forty eight seasonal. Who who are they. Who are they facing montreal. Maroons did it did it. Did it matter. I mean was. It was going to be a shift whether they want her lost. No at this point. They've basically locked up to the american division champion so the kind of had it locked on forty seven forty seven hundred forty seven one thing and then the american division finished with a three way tie behind him in second place with with the blackhawks bruins in americans all finishing second place tied for three tied tied for second place and they all had to play it. Play basically small tournament to decide who would go into the playoffs or the wings as part of the playoffs thing. well yeah. They won american division championship. All right they. They would face against the montreal. Maroons who were the two of the best team in the in the canadian division. So where's where's lisa. So that was game forty eight. They played and they won on the next that so. So what's the what's the dynamic of down matt. It's it's not going to happen. So what's the dynamic because the playoffs now are like a four month forty game. You know tour. It's like if you don't make the playoffs. How many teams don't make the playoffs today to you. Know it's the playoffs. Today are are much different than the playoffs. So what were the dynamics of the playoffs back. Then we'll get more into it because there's a lot to sort of dive into with the We'll get we'll get into it for like the next week all right. So we'll lay that up and and the brackets right of how it falls. We'll definitely get into the playoffs thing you know all right. Yeah so it's enough to know that you know they just had this the game of their lives against chicago. All that they won the american division championship on the you know winning this incredibly important game and but on the kind of mud scoring often the first line had all you know they had an incredible performance and then Yeah and then you know this it. It really ended up. Being the season ended up becoming what they thought. It might become if they didn't win. Which was that the other three teams all tied for second place and had to play a big playoff. You know sort of initial playoff just to decide which of those three teams was there. One thing right. That's what i was curious about. Was there an infrastructure setup for no had to make that up on the flight to yeah three right. It's like it. i like the. Let's go to new york and find out what they you know. It's like 'cause like now it's like all it's always these let's go to new york right and find out what's what right. Yeah that's the final. Be all word. Today in hockey is new york right. I kind of like making stuff up all right so as this game was being played. They're like oh crap. If they don't do this they do this. We got a three way tie. What the hell do we do and they were like. What the hell do we do. And there's like three guys with cigars in suits going. Yeah let's do this so but but they want it. Yes so the redwings in have to worry about those three teams like but the interesting thing. That won't say we'll talk about the next one is the idea that The the one like sorta unique dynamic was that back then that back then the the red wings like the the winner of each division the two top teams of first place teams. They would play each other not normally today's world. The weaker team want to see it against number eight exactly back in this area. You played the two toughest teams play each other. I actually was a which was a reason for controversy back in those days because they'd actually say like why should the top two teams in each other. It'd beat the crap each other and then it allows the second the next best teams to just slide in play for the stanley cup. So these guys murdering each other now. They've entered the hell out of each other. And that's basically what's about to happen what we're gonna get into these playoffs. Was that literally these. Two teams the montreal. Maroons and i. It's like you know montreal. Maroons disappeared in the like. They were one of the two teams that did not become one of the original six because they felt they them in the in. The new york americans died during the during world war two but but the montreal. Maroons are like literally one of my favorite teams in the history of hockey. Really they are. They may be my second favorite team. You're buying the way your team but the montreal maroons There are just like the players that they had Like i most wanted to do an episode just on the players they had but we'll we'll factor them into it somehow it. We'll get because the players house. This is the formation right. This is because charles nobody on the planet has knows this in one place right. I mean people know this people know that there's montreal maroon maddix there's you know wings fanatics but like across the whole city of champions things. There's nobody on the planet that knows what you know about the cool thing. Maroons was that Was that they Know the cool thing about talking about like your team's opponents. Yeah is that it. It shows how good you were. You know the fact that when you understand how. Good the montreal. Maroons were right on. The first of all a lot of people don't have never even heard of the march in order to beat them that we had to be over the fact that able to overcome such an incredible at the montreal. Maroons i mean there. The previous year stanley cup champs shift to the ambassador bridge Not at all yeah. So so they Yeah but this but yeah so no. I'd love to talk a little bit about them. Because that's all there is something we wait because there's talk about next. We're gonna talk about next time. Because i mean is that something like because there's a we gotta go back to the tigers. We go back to lions for individual players. Yeah it's come back and talk about like an individual thing at some point. I mean i'd like to get to joe louis. Or if we get to joe louis so maybe i can do a little quick little has actually i think Joe i think his son juice bar junior. He opened up that restaurant. We're telling you about charles. And matt and i were hanging out with him and johnny and his like general manager. Y- he's coming back in june. There's june one thousand. Nine hundred is A celebration people of color have a a celebration around nineteenth. And i i'm ninety percent sure joe is going to be back in town for that Something to do stuff at his restaurant in the city. So it'd be cool. If we were talking about his dad. When he was in town he could come hang out with us. I would actually be kinda fun. No yeah it's But yeah i can talk a little bit about him before we really get into. If we wanna do you know that might be something we do. Like opponent like the opponent is the way i wrote the screenplay the report i wrote the screenplay itself was that the be like sidebars or the way the way i wrote the script the the reason i think the screenplay in the movie of city of champions has so much potential is that you know. The city of story serves as like season one. And so like once. You introduce this like when you're when you're introducing city champions as we've seen there's been so many of these like brooklyn gerski from the bears in like Pity dean from the cartels introduce all their opponents at least in brief so that like once you're done doing the city of champion story like if you wanted to do a spin off episodes you could do an entire series on these different teams in different players from that. Eric already have a route connecting points to that story. What built him to bring him there. S i do season to season. Two like you could do something on. The green bay packers the nineteen thirties. Or you can do like a individual episodes about different players from that era or different components of these teams. I have thoughts about that. I'll share with you off. Mike but i have thoughts because some of the biggest sports movies that have ever been made are almost. I will say focused on one in the pat will the but they're but almost every great sports movie ever made has been focused on nostalgics understands exports but like You know you've got like eight men out. You've got a colleague of their own that was in the forties different movies in these different. You know the talk people hearkening back hearkening back to think about it like this like seabiscuit. That was one thousand nine hundred thirty seven focused on a horse but in the middle of the great depression that same thing on cinderella man happens in nineteen thirty five. You've got these different. A lot of these. Big sports movies were happening. In this era in the reason why there's so many compelling sports stories that come out of the nineteen thirties is because this is an era. Where everybody's backs were against the wall. There are all these. People were struggling the most difficult economic hardship that the country has ever known. Ever an out of this so this is so out of this comes these stories of people with their backs against the wall and emerging victorious when we love those kinda stories in the city of champions season is like that times a million. I mean we've seen this that he's got everything but there's other stories to in like cinderella man and seabiscuit in these stories. Those are hundred million dollar blockbuster films you could do entire spin offs of just. There's so many stories that are not just nestle detroit that you can do entire seasons for like a net and how they how they is like black mirror right in how things are at the end like all tie in together all these little all these little threads intersex but in this case. It's the to the city introducing enter to the chevy all these little little like that because start with the entertaining. Because you're already being briefly introduced characters and then then season two. You have like you know. Like maybe like two or three episodes on the bears of the nineteen thirties or A half a season on the new york yankees with ruth and lou. Gehrig an maybe a season on episode on babe ruth because babe. Ruth's last season in new york with the yankees was nineteen thirty four episode on babe. Ruth's last season. You know what i mean and you flash back to like what what led him up to that point. There's so many different spin off so you can do. The story is so complex. And you have you have a screenplay round the complexity of that. Yeah is just. It's going to take a visionary plus yourself to put all these pieces said so. I could enjoy the story and get excited about the story at the same time. Stories are people and there are great. Great pizzas said. He got camera lake This this story doesn't belong to me. Like just because i wrote about it like my goal was to start like the light weight to totally fair and i'm trying to get people that's from this anyways isn't a show. I'm trying to get people interested in this. Like the teams the tigers. What the tigers is redmi. What are they got going on right. Now that they couldn't beat involved with something like a bigger project how much the fans have imagine if you go to a game in the fans and this game. We need you as extras for this. Move on i mean how be. There's so many components like that and here in detroit plays Imagine a story anyone out we have. There's many of the buildings that were that were that were used for this time that backdrops that are still there and look at the masonic. So you've got like you know masonic and all you need to wear this hot you put on a fisherman's memorable moments. That take place at the michigan central station on these teams. Were leaving common back when the redwings came back as eventual champions whole year have four. Come forward under racing the whole thing. Yeah they come back through the michigan central and there's this huge parade of people gathered them. So there's so many things you could do film on location than we fascinated with kabul with updates from the media like even the reporters would be interested in this. Because they'd be able to. This'll be the biggest. Imagine this. You know this epic sports film being filmed in detroit over the course of a year or so this entire city would be fascinated by something like this being filmed. That's what i mean like. There's so many there's what's a what's the negative. No in movies are the city and this gets me. They make movies every single day about every single thing and they spend many how many how many they spend like one hundred million dollars on that our complete flops. Another angsty yeah. Teenage movie with girls playing this like thing has got need one more girl okay. Ukulele and warren moon boots. Scape me meal. Jovovich is hot meal. Vuckovich vuckovich forty. Well does she still smoke straight. Yeah that's going back to what you have guys like tom hanks and steven spielberg band. Our talking about did these. They did these movies. They they've done a ton of nineteen thirties and forties movies. They love doing these sort of period piece type movies and sports and war and stuff like this relate to the great depression. Julia like these are the type like this. There would be no shortage of interest in all this stuff seriously right now right now because the pandemic and getting through the pandemic and then rebuilding. The country had to rebuild after the wars. And this is the perfect is perfect timing for this but this old in mood written but the story. They wrote the story tom. Hanks version the vision around earth to the moon. It's the same concept it's telling the stories about the individuals that got them from point a to point b. Well one of the things that i found when i was kinda done with this whole thing is like you know there was the. It's not necessarily just the players. You know what i mean. It's it's almost like the city of detroit itself as a character. The people detroit are the key are a character you know and i just think that something like this. A movie of of the talks about this story would just be the biggest thing. I mean i just think they would cut it one of the biggest things that you don't like just the imagine again. Imagine if the teams got together on this the You know the movie industry got a few years ago a decade ago. They were talking about making detroit putting determine the map as one of the great like film producing cities in the country. incentives true. that's that's true but at the same time. Is that if you actually have a legit project here that that spans the city and spans an epic sports. i imagine about focus on automotive. So i say epic like think of a movie like ben hur type movie like like like the movies a movie but there's a when you say epic it means a lot of money get spent a lot of people are brought in the biggest names are coming at imagine of all that all that happened here in detroit it would be the biggest thing to happen to detroit in a long time. I can imagine it. I can see it i can. I can envision it are right charles. We're going into the playoffs next time right. We met pass game forty eight. They ended up in first. And we're hitting the playoffs exactly and we're going to talk about the. We're open talking about the maroons because We will do a full episode on them down the road. But you're right like all right. Let's do wanna get to joe louis here because i'm dad. God yeah so we're so we will get our buddy episode. We will investigate. Yes so we will introduce the maroons in the next episode and talk about this maroon series against you know for the first round of the playoffs. We all right so Likes ascribed follow. Leave a comment wherever fine podcasts. Or soul and some people and and Yeah no thanks for hanging out Detroit city of champions detroit city champions dot com and Facebook and youtube. Thanks ring out charles. thank you matt. Thanks for being here i. I'm happy to provide commentary was here was here and we'll see guys except keep stick on the ice. I asked what i forgot. Keep your stick on the ice. You didn't forget it.

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September twenty third starting at six pm right here carson and a cast of mental health experts athletes musicians other notables and you will share stories insights and help us all remember that we are not alone. Please join us because talking about our mental health has the power to save lives for more visit. I'm listening dot org. You get on me for not doing a lot and you know being at home and being various stagnant but i am all over the place these days on you for that yourself for that and then it opens the door for me to start criticizing. I don't get on myself for doing nothing. I love doing nothing. That's why do it do nothing. But then here you are talking about doing nothing again. I don't know what i'm doing. Is i'm trying to tell you that i'm doing a bunch of stuff stuff. Give me a pat on the back. That's what i'm looking for here. What what kind of all right. So saturday i am judging a pageant on fire island and i'm actually getting some money they said Will donate a thousand dollars to charity. Your choice i said of course boomers very nice very i. I appreciate that. But you're gonna be sitting on your ass and you're going to be drinking and eating again. But i have to get over there on a boat drinking. Yeah but i'm still doing something your drinking again. And it's a that's right but that's what i love to do but i am judging this pageant over at the island mermaid. It's mr. And mrs i'll of fire so i'm gonna sit there and crown mr and mrs i'll of fires. Are you the only judge. No there are two other judges. And who are they a drag queen and some guy who lives at ocean. Beach suggests the celebrity. Yeah i thought that they were going to be bigger celebrities. I was told it was some guy was originally. Going to be keegan. Michael keyes wife and somebody on blue. Bloods we're going to be other. Two judges and me and i was excited. Anna backed out turned out to be a low level drag queen and some dude who lives on all right. So this is at the mermaid. It is all right. Tell tell scotty. I said i will get those other competitors as to who could draw more people out of local bar in long island at aaron colton from news twelve. Yeah i know on the fellow from down under something. Fellow from down under below deck is the name of the show on bravo. And that's colin. Macy oh yes he would have been a great judge as well yeah. I don't know. I was the one who picked the judges. So apparently they wanted some just array of people. Is there a talent portion of town. There's a talent portion. There's an evening wear portion essay contest. A what contest essay. Maybe not go away on test. Yeah you know cars. We can bury the battery somewhere. Yeah but there's you've ever that had miss south carolina or something from a couple years ago had like the longest. Most nonsensical answer fulltime about maps. Yeah oh chaz maps such as maps. That was great. Yes to a drag queen host this thing and there's a drag queen judge all then drag queens going to win but there's not have a drake queen. Oh he's a host the drag queen host of the event. Oh i queen judge other drag queen or it's not okay. Yeah it's a contest so there's a lot so it's me and a drag i football player or football player on a on a panel and then having a football player in the contest you would think that me being the football player that i would side with the football player. That's right you can't have it drag queen that is in the contest you can have one that could be a judge can be host. Can't dre queen in the context. That would you know. There's no way that you you'd have. The people would have a chance to win that that is true. But it's not. I thought originally it was drag queen contest and i was but it's but it's not a drake wing concerts i'll fire. It's a isla. Fire mr mrs. I'll find these. People are permanent residents of them. Like you're you're dying residents their yearlong residents or they work there for the season so they have to have. I guess i suppose a connection. Yeah so nominee. I'm i'm excited about it. Sold out tickets are sold out and everything else big deal beat and drinking gonna eat and drink too and what you do best bring your flunkies with a bunch of flunkies are coming. Yeah bunch of flunkies all right. So there's that and then i've got the navy seal. Dinner saw the event of the money so the mullet is getting chopped off on saturday. Okay we got one more day right off the mullet on tv. I got that aren't doing stuff man. What about that golf tournament and bellport country club. Yes for camp aquatic. The fuego golf tournament. That's and that's the next day so it's wednesday and then thursday you're busy and then you now have booked me for two different things. I did go fishing. Yes yes and then you're sending me to a jet game on a boss that's right. That's right so The joe winters memorial golf tournament that we had on tuesday saw sean winters there. Joe's brother and so's lovely michelle and patrick. Everybody sends their best to you and awesome job. Geos not a you know a golfer. it's actually physical so he's not a big offer but he loves to drink and eat and then sean invited you on the boss. You gotta go on the winters bus into winter lost to the game tailgate over there at jet games. Yeah and we spend the whole day with them and then come back on the bus and you better hope. It's a win so you wanna look at their schedule. We'll do they go every week every week. Man they go every yes everywhere all right so this is how initially we meant to. We met the winters brothers. Craig and i went to that thursday night tailgate that they had on thanksgiving which was the butt fumble night. Oh wow what a game to be at. I was broadcasting the game. My god all right. So i get to do i get to pick. Which one of these. I get to go to picking. I'm not gonna pick for you. I because i don't wanna do that thing. You know you'd have to talk to sean patrick about this. Okay bought schedule. Maybe want to go to the bingo game on halloween. He's got the little kid trick or treating. oh yeah. there's no could do that. Yeah not a hallway. No no i actually. I enjoy especially in the new neighborhood. It's the first toluene and the new neighborhood. I so then. You've got buffalo miami and november buffalo november before it's like in november has been very nice lately until late. Yeah think but anyway. Yeah so i would say that buffalo buffalo miami and back to back weeks. That time I it's gotta be that bills game it has to be. That's that's the one november fourteenth. No later on they do play lame brain tampa like the second last game season january second. I'm not going to metlife stadium. January second with a one in fifteen jets team or dan. Christmas against jacksonville. Right drunk strangers on an interim coach because urban is a us. I i got the one for you. Yeah yes you're ready uh-huh you should go october tenth. They play atlanta. It could be a good bus ride home. Wait a second. Thanks sal breaks out what says nine thirty. Am for that. Oh that's right there in. London can't go now about tennessee a week. Before can i bring a flunky with me. I don't have to go solo. I would think i would think i can't again. I can't speak for them. But they're so nice. That as long as that flunky is a fan of another team that i find a jet fan flunky. I'd find one. I got one. I actually do. Have one you do. I do have a jet fan flunky. So then there's also something else that came up at this golf tournament grape Sending now. I got i got. I got a box at ubs arena. That i that i bought an auction. I had an auction for this thing. And i bought it and the season. No no our sweet. For the islander game of my choosing. Okay and i said well. The rangers coming in wednesday. Before thanksgiving. So i got a box. I got a box for that game between the rangers and the islanders. Oh wow now. I don't know if. I want to spend any time with you at a hockey game wearing your islander garb. Yeah i would be. Wally serbia can. I kinda split the that. Yeah so this maniac. He's a. he's an islander fan. Alright and i'm ranger fan. Yeah so we figure we're gonna we're gonna split it up. I thought you're going to have all of us. Go on thanksgiving eve now going. I would not do that But i will. I will hold a c. for you if you'd like to go thanksgiving eve if you need to bring you know one of your flunkies with these so you feel more comfortable. How you are you like to show up anywhere that a flunky or go at that dude that you just met in the parking lot and went to a game of maybe wanna bring dan from quarterback no that guy in the parking lot he was and he hasn't bothered me since he was perfect. Yet is the perfect guy. Yeah i do need a flunky nita flunky. Yeah funky buffer. Yeah that's you buffer going to stephen. Staten island stevie. What's happening your moving on. I like joe. Go that projects out your bela judge in. I'm actually going because third judge is my cousin's boyfriend and he inviting us okay. I'm pretty. I'm pretty short. Isn't drag queen height is not a drag queen contest. I says specifically in the thing. That's not addressing queen contest drank queens of being a part of it but i don't believe drag queen contest. All right i guess. We'll find out. Because i was on the new fashion i was like why am i to fire island the on the no. No no no. No i gotta tell you if we love you guys from staten island over and fire island. You guys are great. that's awesome. Well listen i'm s. u. h. guy. I see you in the hallway all the time. They're back attack. We'll here we go. Listen before you hang up. Stephen on the island mermaid instagram account. It says this is the poster it says missile of fire the first of its kind non drag competition non-drug. I'm looking at it right now. I look into something. My wife's works for you know like we all do. Please do y- stephen. Hvac work hey by the way What are you gonna wear. I think this is important now. We have to discuss you. Want me to be in drag. Greg queen judge. I don't feel like i need to. I think if you showed up and high heels and miniskirt like what's his name westbrook would drag show there. Yeah straight right on it. So much fun a lot of last entertaining gene and i went over there and there was a drag queen performing one of beyond as albums she was beyond say drag queen from start to finish and then she pulled gene up on stage and they did all dance together. It was awesome. It was great but i. i think i'm just gonna go. I'm just gonna be me. I was hired to be me. That's the thing now not gonna down shopping drag. It'd be a little odd thinking. Maybe you could. Well we're going to make aware what no you're not gonna go there. You're going to have some restraint here. Yes all right. Allow that restraint okay. Normally i don't bit. I feel like it would be an insult that might rock me to core. So i'm going to let you have that restraint. It's boomer and geo fans cbs sports. I'm not looking and listening. Boomerang on the fan. And cbs sports network. Odyssey's going back to school and we've got all the supplies you need like eight. Plus exclusive music stations. And podcast to help you or your student excel. Wake up and get. The school day started with acoustic. Summarized the best mix of acoustic pop hit the books with classical odyssey passionate classical music to help you focus while you study. Listen to essential full podcast. Like grammar girl's quick and dirty tips for better writing inspired with ted talks daily. Get back to school with new exclusive stations. Plus all your favorite local radio stations and podcasts on odyssey. 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He did come in and relief of fitzpatrick on sunday in the twenty sixteen loss to the chargers as for the giants they only scored thirteen points at home against the broncos and really it was seven. They scored six points on the final play of the game. Sterling shepard knows. That is not good enough. We gotta figure out a way to to be able to put the ball ends on this end in the story. You know like you said that's something that's been a problem in the past and they're hoping that it is better going forward and they don't turn the ball over and they put points on the board. He did have a good game in the lost denver. So we will have it for you. On the fan. In terms of saquon barkley they list him as questionable limited participant in practice. I guess the only question would be the fact that it's just five days after sunday or for whatever it is. Is the leg ready to just on. We don't know if he came out of the game with some soreness or some swelling or any of that kind of stuff and maybe they're watching it. I can't imagine that he would have done much this week. Leading into this game. If he does play right. Let me ask you this. How does this change your moscow. Al is not going to. He's not going to go away from his plan. His plan this year is whoever's playing the giants and the under that's going to be as bet every week. Does this change your thinking. A little daniel is foreign on his career against washington. No because they'll a lot of people hit me with this when i. I put out my giants season predictions. There like he's never lost to washington. Nothing i agree jones standard. You don't like the kid now. i do. We just the so milk toast. I'm not even sure what that means. But it sounds like it means boring. What is yes. It's a bland planned planned. It's enough no flavor. I will look around all these other teams. That looks so much fun to watch. Weakened weak out cuyler murray ego patrick mahomes milk toast team every year. That is just not very hari. Krishna of kushner. Krishna krishna harry. Heidi spreads guy. Can you schnur. How rob. So we'll just a half a point three and a half now but still money's coming in money's coming in on the washington you know i get it evan. Ingram will miss the game again with a calf injury for the giant so we will see giant The cowboys are gonna be shorthanded. Sunday against the chargers in la demarcus lawrence out six to eight weeks broken foot and practice wednesday no word on randy gregory and the cove addition gerald mccoy of the raiders. Done for the year knee injury on the night against baltimore. I know crazy and then are you. Did you follow up on this. Follow up and you aware of this. Calvin johnson his money back from the line. Yeah kogo work for them. Yes so i guess. He says they owed him one point six million dollars so what happened. Both he and barry sanders retired early They're retired of prior to their contract. Running out there for the bonus money that detroit gave up front had to be paid back. And that's part of the the standard contract with the nfl players and the owners. Well i guess. They've asked them to do things he said no until he gets his cash. He was on the indepth. Podcast with graham. Bensinger is the president will lie. No you cannot have me back if you unless you put that money back in my pocket. Hey you gotta do all at once. You ain't got to do it but you've got to commit to do it in the right way you don't have. I'm not working for our mind coming into them. Work for the organization. Because i love football porn back into the team would ain't no way in the world. I'm coming back over there and do anything. Let's coming back. And i see how it's coming back. I feel about the cardinals right but that was part of the deal. Didn't break the law. Reiner pull a fast one. Some teams will just you know. Eat it if depending you know. But the the lions that the bulk barry sanders. Enta- calvin johnson. And you look at two hall of famers. He wants his money. I see the argument on the other side. One hundred percent up you don't you. You retired early now. Don't talk at a neighbor allston about this. It was interesting. Because nate would say that calvin played hurt most of his career and there were times where they were on the practice field. And calvin couldn't even move but calvin miss practice. He wanted to be out there so we had the right mindset about being a player and being a leader and he goes how. How could a leader being locker room when the rest of the team is out here. There was one situation where i forget who the coach was. Maybe it was lenihan. And jim swartz jim. Schwartz was the head coach. Han was the offense coordinator. Nate basically went to both of them. So you gotta get calvin off the field. That's calvin johnson. He needs to rest. He is not one hundred percent. And calvin begrudgingly walked off the field and they took all of his reps and practice but transplant. Nate wanted him off the field. Well i can say that. But in all honesty he loved and rec- respects calvin and saw how he went out there every day and he wasn't surprised that he retired but he was a little disappointed. That you know detroit didn't leave the money there for him because he did put it on the line off all right the baseball now at cannon yards the expected result would be a yankee win but it was the way they got. There wasn't easy pitchers pumped up into shallow left center and it drops. How you like that wade. Scores and here comes burrows. He scores on a little book. Single by gardner to left center so the yankees four three that would be the final score. You won't yankees win four three after giving up the to one lead in the eighth inning as chad. Green a lotta homerun to austin hayes but the yankees. Come away with the victory. In that. Ninth-inning tyler wade and gleyber torres stealing second at their little double steal and brett gardner thankful for that during his battles a big play and told those guys on that makes my job at the plate A lot easier said of first and second one out so You know overall just we gotta keep working in. A good team wins night. Also they would call it the infamous drawn in because of the double steal. Here was mr cortes. one thing. At least this team didn't come out flat after the. You know the the weekend series against the mets the way the mets come out flat. No no the came out flat monday. Yeah they did. They won the game. They were dead as a doornail until the one that the game. That's all that matters. Now they have a chance for a sweep at ball at the hands of baltimore. Which i should get. They gotta get it. There's no wiggle room anymore. And the mets meanwhile are sleepwalking dead. Yeah but he's were flight monday but the mets had a hell of a weekend against the yankees yeah. It doesn't matter three consecutive eggs. A team that they were chasing the wildcard exactly correct which was perfect. Because we needed this to sort of later it was set up for the fan to axe lease call up and say told you they had a chance screwed it up. Yep that's definitely say that Here was aaron boone. Do we talk about this. Gleyber torres blunder in the eighth inning. Throwing the first with the guy who lead the regard runner second and he just for whatever reason didn't go that way here was boone. Who says torres getting the base in the ninth was something that might come back to help him going forward. I thought it was important for him. I thought i did. And and it was a great job going up there and understand the moment understand the situation and thrown off. Because you're right. But here's the deal. He was dogging at the other night. I know they sat him. Danny nine imagine managing guys. Like what the hell you doing. We're in the middle of a frigging pennant race. A move moving positions your dog in and out of the batter's box you can't you don't know where to throw the ball. i mean. could you imagine what how frustrating he must be. You don't know what happened to him and he was superstar on arise. Yeah but i mean it looks like sometimes is he's just in. What do you call with. the fares. Various digital is mine is mind boggling to me that a baseball. This guy is play baseball his entire life. They always talk about hobby buys and the baseball. Iq all these guys habit when you're not running a play out you don't make the right play at second base and now all of a sudden the managers come out. Oh all this will turn around. What what what part of what. That one piece is gonna turn. His season around has been totally gassed. It's too late now not going to happen. He's not going to be here next year right if he would've caught that ball. That would have been something when he was running around third. Yes that would have been. That's another thing i know. What the hell is that. Your app it turned out he read it right. Thankfully a man. I'll tell you what that would have been something because tyler wage running back to third base and then he asked him so. That's the point. I mean it's like it's so re. I he is out of wack man yet. We'll conclude their series with baltimore today. Jordan montgomery the start on the fan of four twenty-five yanks red sox blue jays remain tied for the two wildcards spots. Wins four toronto and boston last night. Now you get to your team walking the meds not a good night at all at city field. First pitch curved our auto that's drilled the deep of the air field mcneil back for this one. this one is gone. Homerun harare nado gold stranded an auto the two big boys and the cardinal lineup hit home runs in the seventh inning. You know no one gone by the way silent. A stick. Gary running keith out left i just like watching lugo on that first home run. Cbs sports work show. And he didn't even flinch. He knows it's gone now. We now know. Why lewis ross new. Seth lugo the other night. Maybe yeah i mean who knows. They lost eleven four. I'm just trying to think you know what. What question could evan ask. Louis ross now about you know using seth lugo somebody else because he didn't pitch so we don't know what he would have done. He really hell. He like craig do a lotta that interview yesterday. Events finally checked out spent four and a half hours at city field the other day and they finally beat it out of them now because alcohol them a d. bag or something no no he called him. No not a da betty so do or something. He called him a yeah. I was told i was a d last week. be nice. that's what somebody tweeted me. And i said all right i'll try always do go call me a d. Who cares about al dukes point of view. Evan candidate it affects. Apparently it did. But craig said you know he's trying to minimize. Yeah he's always trying to minimize you out. I don't understand that. Cole me d. How dare you call me. D alll wrote it out on twitter and said he heard it from many people that he respects as well. That's because you led the charge. Yes and then you said you actually kinda light now Yeah i'm saying. I'm not that i don't enjoy it but it was just felt awkward coming from evan because we don't think of him that way like totally more than pocket total psycho. Now that right there was also the way the interview started. Yes right atom right at him he's supposed to do is say hello and just be somewhat cordial and somewhat respects only started like a little foreplay before you go to the deep. Yes there was none of that. Yeah absolutely none of that. So mets are off today thankfully they will take on the phillies coming up later this weekend and that at thirty three games under five hundred having been swept now at seventy two and seventy five all right. Thanks gerald stick this drag queen call before we go to break here. What's going on dave in connecticut. How are you. I'm good how you guys doing all right dave. What's up man. i listen. So here's the deal. I after hurricane Sandy sandy. Yeah i went out there and i i lived year round in was rebuilding fire. Island ocean. beach Seaview atlantique all like so every year. There was a drag queen show at the mermaid. But you couldn't get in it but if if you did not go out to cherry grove then you're not a local and i consider myself a local but i never wound up getting okay. So the dragging show out. There is very important in property you go. I've been there. I've been there is that this is not a drag queen show. You're going no. I m Judging next to drag queen that is hosting and there's also a drink when hosting the event. But yeah i've been to Drag queen show at the ice palace in cherry grove. I also went to the invasion at the pines gene. I still talk about how funny that was our Drake queens that day were Head a lettuce and bell's palsy. Those are two favorite Dragons name hedda lettuce and bells poll. That was the to drag windsor very very entertaining. And it's fun. It's fun doing the summer. So i'll tell you. I don't know who the actually i could tell you. Who drag queens are going to the thing on saturday one of them i think is named ariel sinclair is a famous drag queen. I guess and then the other one is stand by that. I'm judging with is Brenda darling so i think i think whatever flunky you have coming with you should be taking video and photos guys to work. They just want over there and get drunk and laugh. That's what they wanna do well. We need digital content digital content. 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And wherever you listen to your podcasts going back to school and we've got all the supplies you need like a plus exclusive music stations and podcast to help you or your student excel makeup and get the school day started with acoustic. Summarize the best mix of acoustic pop hit the books with classical odyssey passionate classical music to help you focus while you study. Listen to essential full podcast. like grammar. girl's quick dirty tips for better writing and be inspired with ted talks daily. Get back to school with new exclusive station. Plus all your favorite local radio stations and podcasts on odyssey the morning show with boomer esiason and greg boomer and geo there's going to be a fun jam-packed september and october around here until the yankees don't make the playoffs giants won four. I can't even tell you how disappointed the mets season has been. I needed to be over. I'm so happy that it is i. I couldn't tell you how much sweep meant to me. Personally the get it over with so we could stop hearing with do this if they do that. If those teams around losing this this group is unanimously unlikable. they never had a shot. They're not a good team they just needed to be put down is what needed to happen. You know like it's like a thing that got a dog or something you know it's suffering and you gotta put it down. That's what the cardinals needed to do to the mets and they did so. It was great and in embarrassing fashion last now. The good news is great Robbie kenobi back next chenevey. Awesome sandy oldest. Probably harvey buys michael conforto and the go right back at it again by us going to stay here. I don't think he's long for this. I don't know he said the other day. I saw a clip on this ny about how much he loved new york. Well he needs to keep He needs to keep steve cohn involved. He needs to use that as leverage. Yeah he loved to go point for the yankees. I don't want harvey by his pack. I don't want conforto back either. I really don't either one of them. Too much money replacements. Yeah anybody but those guys. Yeah well you always gotta look at the replacement value like you know who. You're gonna a guy who hates the fan base a hundred sixty million dollars. One thing is is that ravi is coming back next year. there's your second baseman christ. Almighty forgot about him no. I didn't forget about them. I just haven't thought about him in a long time. That's all. I hope he's hitting all fatih somewhere or trying to play baseball somewhere out on the warriors has i have not heard hide nor hair of him. Yeah you