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"henry ben" Discussed on Capt. Hunter's Podcast
"All right. So i want to thank my special guests here dr timothy branly mr henry ben. I'm gonna see your name. The enemy like the offensive coordinator jeep cherokee and. that's the same. Okay be enemy. Does anybody remember him. remember him. Utero company played for colorado was running back for colorado absolutely. Oh yeah. I love that brother. Then he did he go to. Nfl canadian league he was in the nfl. Plays the chargers for a little bit a little bit. And then i from last time i remember you want to coaching. Ease offering subordinated for the james. He actually was in this coach this time around unfortunately eating yet a coaching job although believe but being the offense coordinator for the defending champions. Isn't that well. If listen we gotta get these brunson chances. But we'll talk about that another time. So i wanna thank. Thank you guys for coming on. I really really appreciate it I'm going to give you guys a chance to talk about yourselves. We start with you. Mr bean enemy go ahead. What's going on everyone. God bless you. Thanks for having me on. My name is henry. I am a father off really. I've i have a older son. My oldest son is in each serving our country. pfc dave on melendez blessed. I have a my youngest. Son is Seventh grader at a wallace middle school under the academics kademi ear. Waterbury and i also daughter who is starting on. Her journey is currently working for coney island hospital graduate of high school. Here in waterbury I am a producer for heart radio. I've produced such as of any project which is all local talk show as well as dibble show on the espn affiliate in hartford nine tonight. Espn in hartford as well as a coaching. As well as high school sports. I am the field producer as well as the livestream producer for the high school. Sports on the new haven. Espn affiliate espn. Radio urged hungry. I also am a producer and the offered. I'm a husband. As i stated. Or i am father. I am also a minister under our other guest. Dr detroit brantley was asir. Respiration springs nominee. I was ordained by him. And i am currently the media minister at our as well as is a very good and and occasionally when between doing that you somehow find time to sleep. So i'd say that's something somewhere somewhere dot. Net charles brantley my friend my brother how you doing Flesh trade with the audio video of my ipad. I'm doing fine sir. Thank you very much all right. So you've been on the show before he would just a brief synopsis of who you are what you do and all that kind of good stuff Just a regular guy trying to help people and And that's that's their brother. I saw a man. I'm i'm in I'm in the stage of so many great people man. i'm. I'm just a little gallons. Totem pole got us. All i am guys i saw. Okay all right all right. I don't want to argue with you right now. All right so I wanted to have some good brothers on to talk about Some father's day and we celebrate father's day a lot of times but unfortunately i see many fathers. I'm sure we've all seen fathers throughout the years. Mix them really really bad mistakes and I want to talk about those mistakes that we have made. Now you too. I noted two brothers. have made have has have some children And has obviously had done some things right. Your son is going to Well when your children's going to wallace and some time of academic program one is graduated from crosby The other one is serving the country so obviously there are seen on the right road up productive citizens. So you've done some some good things. Mr be enemy t charles has got a couple of grandkids there Who are doing their thing. Your son has graduated from college correct My son graduated from computer. Science on what was is to technology And my daughter graduate from amada flooding diversity in tallahassee and she graduated with a public relations degrees both second generation. College graduates are very very proud. Yes something to be proud of absolute As kid musicians at are very good. So i did not know that. And so they're on their way and just doing some great things. And and i think that's good so even though we'd done some things right with our children obviously mistakes that we've made and and i want to talk to to to to people on though it it's okay to make mistakes but it's but we've got to pick ourselves up just like everyone else and try to get on his right road right Going for so. I wanna talk about talk about myself myself out that i wanna talk about mistakes. Other people may not talk about the ones that i beat so so i have I have when i first got married. First time i had a stepson An unfortunately You know that marriage didn't work out that my relationship with the stepson dwindled out. And that's something that i truly truly regret to this day He's a now twenty nine or thirty years old he's has his own children now And so i see him along a path that i wish that he would be a better father towards his Children and not that he's a bad parent or anything like that. You know but i just wish that he would do things a little bit differently. so i kind of tribute to that to myself. A little bit and make. I would have done and stayed in his life a little bit more. Even though he was on my own biological. I think that things would have been different. My own biological children might. My son is also serving his country. He's twenty three god. I hope that's right. He's probably gonna listen to. This is twenty three or twenty four. I don't know he's twenty three twenty four. I'm michael do the math right now. Keep going isn't a twenty and so he's got another netherlands servants country. I'm sorry lawrence. He's own another one servants country on the right road. My daughter just graduated with it from with her associates degree. I have another stops on from my second marriage Who also graduated from college Living down a flora very very proud of all of all of them In so i. As i mentioned that was one of the mistakes that i think i wish i would have done. And the other one is is I can remember what time i was having I'll try to teach my son a lesson about something. And i was talking to him in in my own biological son. I was trying to teach talking to him about something. And i was telling him something about was what was happening in school and i said you know be you know people are doing this because that's what idiots do right and so. He took that as i calling him an idiot and i can see in. His star is starting tear up. And i'm like no no no. I'm not calling you diddy up saying that. This is things that people do. Who don't know any better on. Tried to fix it and all that so that was one thing the one big thing that i really really chilly regret to this day is is that. He thought that i was calling him a name. And i can understand. You know the the pain and hurt that someone. Who's in a authority or father figure or father as doing that would hurt or deliberately hurt. Their own children hurt their little. Psyches hurt their little The growing up always heard that You know sticks and stones can know sticks assaulted breakbone bones beneath names will never hurt you that that is so erroneous in wrong So that's one mistake. That i that i truly really regret and i wasn't truly wasn't calling my son's name but he took it that way and i cannot and i can certainly understand the hurt and pain that other children would feel when and if they are called names by their child. You know you're stupid. You're ugly little little inward word this or whatever you know And so. I really wish that that fathers would would would not.
"henry ben" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Pretty young made all up in everybody's business. It's her brother three-year-old Thomas Dimic do right. Come on come on. Don't be a Dick. He's too late. He's been addict for one hundred and fifty years he's arrested. He's charged with the murder of Henry. Ben Haon it turns out. Thomas dimming is a straight up shit is like the detective or like is this an act. You're so stupid it doesn't make sense. We can barely talk to you kind of baffled by how dumb he is He tells police. He rented room twenty-one because he has a book business and he was going to do his book business in a rooming house room for the weekend. Everyone knows you book business in a different kind of room. Yeah that's the cops like. Come on we know maybe more permanent room officer. Some the cops are like dummy. You're longing for doing what did you do? And then he says okay. I don't WanNa tell you because I'm married. I rented that room so I could have an affair with a woman from San Jose named dimples. A dog dimple simple. No okay. Don't like these theology. Humor Cares so oh later on I did find in the older and kind of More thorough book that it said in that book that her name was Timkin's not dimples butt. Dimples is so much better. Yeah that I think we need to stick with that. So when the case goes to trial the prosecution shows that Thomas Deming had recently bought sign at the flask found by Henry matched the one that he was known to carry and that Henry had recently out of the blue in writing job for a bookseller even though he wasn't a good writer or smart and his own friend testified at this trial. Saying like yeah. Henry told me he got a job writing and I do super confused and it seemed to release suspicious and I was upset and it's it was theorized by the prosecution that this was. How got a sample of? Henry's writing to forge the letters where he confessed to the murder of his own sister. After all of that proof the jury is hopelessly deadlocked seven voting for acquittal five for conviction so dimming returns to jail to a new trial and then the State Supreme Court grants Dr Bowers a new trial and then dimming gets acquitted and then eight months after that in August of eighteen. Eighty nine the. Da Dismisses the murder case against Dr Bowers in the light of the outcome of the dimming casing it will be impossible now to get a conviction so he dr J. Milton bowers walks free from jail. And you know that mother does to San Jose. Yeah he does any Mary's Miss Bird there. Someone named Miss Bird. One thousand nine years later he dies in one thousand nine five Misburg. Miss Bird remained alive so apparently they had charm as they always say as they say in the medical field and the last line of Gary cameras article he wrote and so the mystery of the phosphorus and brighter. Dr Bowers will never be solved until tonight fucking did it. And that's the story of DR J. Milton bowers thank you the special. Thank you to San Jose California for being there really to hit on that one it turns out that the more we talk shit on your city. The more likely. We're going to bring Paul Holes there like we did for Sacramento on Friday. The sorry he's not here Stephen. He's at home with Stephen taking care of the WHO. I've never heard that somehow. I know it's insane. I'm GonNa need that website waste. Ww Dot wikipedia Dot net dot com or dot Gov dot edu okay Let's escape from Alcatraz everyone Stevens screwed up. Didn't forgot that I called this one last week. Then Karen called it the other night and he forgot and told her she could do it and then texting it was like. I told her she could do it. Waited for me to go okay. I'll do something else and I was like. Tell her she can't. It's only fair. It's sadly I was in the middle of watching a Clint Eastwood movie escape from Alcatraz and I was just like I just wanted to talk through this movie people but so please feel free to interject it anytime with Shit. I'm leaving out. Okay got incomes. I didn't watch the film escape. From Alcatraz let's dramatized versions right. Yeah so who knows? Let me give you get a little bit of history. Seventy-five Spanish explorer something. Something does place Sandwich. Yes I jail. Alcatraz meaning island of the Pelicans oh overtime official name became Alcatraz and they'll Akin Alcatraz Pelican so in one thousand nine hundred nine. What was the fortress became demolish? That had been there. A prison was built and the prisoner is not a fucking build it. What a bummer. Lock me up right as they put in the last brick. Okay get in dinner themselves in. Oh bricked up. We don't WanNa make a solitary confinement. He we have an open floor plan and escape from Alcatraz was considered impossible so the US government turned it into a federal penitentiary for penetentiary civilians. Convex that they thought was especially dangerous. Of course so normally the only exit routes were death or the Infirmary. Pass Pass or getting out. I guess getting released where their fire exits so until its closing in nineteen sixty three. There were only fourteen escape attempts from thirty six different prisoners. Twenty-three were caught six. Were shot dead two round and the remaining five are thought to have drowned either in the bay or swept out to sea but there's also of course the prisons most legendary escape made famous in the film. Let Clint Eastwood Nineteen. Seventy nine film escape from Alcatraz. Let's talk about that and that's not the one we're going to talk about tonight. True what it was a big lead at this guy. Eric really pisses me who right. So let's start with Frank. Lee Morris was born in Washington. Dc In September nineteen twenty six. He's abandoned by his mother and father during his childhood his own orphan by the time eleven spends most of his formative years in foster homes. He's convicted is first crime. Thirteen by his late teens. He'd been arrested for crimes ranging from narcotics possession to armed robbery. Wow Super Bummer. He spends let's see. He spends most of his early years in jail serving lunch to prisoners. So he's like a lunch man that's nice and love of food and Hussein and SLOP SLOP and ladles. He just loved to ladle those ladles. God I love beef. Stroganoff and a ladle take a little sips from it. Zips for me sips for you. That's right okay. As he got older he got arrested for Grand Larceny in Miami Beach Time in Florida and Georgia and then escaped and then he escaped from the Louisiana State Penitentiary. While serving ten years for bank robbery. He was recaptured. A year later while committing another burglary and sent to Alcatraz in nineteen sixty this can do though ranked in the top two percent of the general population in intelligence with an I q of One hundred and thirty three. Whoa I q one hundred thirty. Three nowadays is only five hundred. Sixty two you don't want to be anywhere near those people. Read your mind and steal your Wallet Ship Initiative. So then there's clearance and John England England brothers England for. That's not a thing that's fun. So clearance was thirty. Three and John was thirty two. They were born into family of thirteen children. Georgia sure too many children. I humble opinion. Their parents were seasonal farmworkers and in the early nineteen forties. They moved the family to ask in Florida. Twenty miles south of Tampa. Okay every June. They go here their care about this family at all. It's kind of whatever but the brothers were like inseparable. They were a year apart so there was hanging out and shit they were skilled swimmers of course and they would be able to swim. The freezing lakes of Lake Michigan as I still floated at the surface okay or shadowing or shadowing a great sign for those two right and I bet like back then. Richest musclebound jokers. I sound fun. There were muscular and they always love to shake their finger interface criminals so they they were farmers and Laborers Clarence was. I caught breaking into a service station when he was fourteen and began robbing banks as a team in the early nineteen.
"henry ben" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Then on November tenth eighteen eighty five the chronicle reports that when the autopsy performed there is no abscess on her liver but there is a smell of phosphorous coming from her internal organs so they put her stomach into a jar and then they take the jar into a dark room and her stomach is glowing in the dark went out right and then a stomach road under the state. That's so creepy. It's so good bad horrible. So they conclude that Celia bowers has died of phosphorus place or that. Her stomach haunted Likes TO GO TO RAPE DR J. Milton bowers arrested and charged with murder. His trial begins an April of eighteen. Eighty six and the prosecutor says at the beginning that he will prove that the nurse was brought in to ten to. Mrs Bauer's was actually colluding with Dr Bowers helping him. And that there May Theresa Ferrell was also in on the act and lying for the doctor and covering for the doctor. They all boning or something. I mean I hate to think of a late. Eighty s group sex situations so many undergarments to get through hours and hours so Dr Bowers. It maintains his innocence throughout he explained to the court that He's a doctor and any doctor knows. There's so many other poisons that you can poison your list. Besides foster is that aren't traceable so why and how would you for example my other two wives? You might want to check them. We can name those poisons he also says he didn't need the insurance money so he has no motive and you're all fools fools. I say meet through. His multiple down stepped on it. Crushed cool those all off the record. The prosecution tells the jury not only bowers is not the cool calm professional. He appears to be. He's a wife beater who boasted about his extramarital affairs to his wife and when she threatened to divorce him. He's told her that she no woman could divorce him because he was a doctor and he had ways of getting rid of her grapes. He also claims the doctor bowers was planning on marrying a woman from San Jose and that she was already. I went to court reporting school. Bear did you love it so much? I love it so much that I moved to Los Angeles. That's really saying something San Jose Los Angeles okay. They say that the proof that he was planning to marry this woman in San Jose is that she was already preparing. Her Trousseau. Didn't look it up Undergarments I pictured as a huge headdress. Sure some reason almost ready to tell me my husband's murderer. They can't wait to play that character in the film. He also told the jury that Dr Bowers had done this before when he began porting. Cecilia bowers before his second wife was even dead and bowers was ardently. Defended by that nurse. Mrs Says attending and has made Theresa Farell the beautiful young made Theresa Viral so. The trial lasts six weeks. It's the longest murder trial in San Francisco to date not today's date the eighteen eighties date to that date. The jury deliberates for thirty five minutes. Great and then they come back with a verdict. A verdict of verse agree guilty of First Degree murder. There's literally no word there. Thank you my word we're loop it's the stomach taking the word so he's sentenced to hang although the judge was barely able to pronounce the sentence because he repeatedly broke into uncontrollable sobs. What I don't know see okay. He's not okay. Oh man he was just like having a bad day really sad about having a Hong I guess. Okay I looked it up. I can't find any information. This is pre PROZAC when to start growing. Sorry it's a mobiles. Imagine everyone's like. Take that wig off wrong with you. Okay so doctor has sent to jail jail at Broadway and curreny to wait execution. Sure we know that one right right right next to the Palace Hotel now okay. So here's the twist K. There's more of a twist okay a year and a half after Dr. Bauer says convicted in October. Eighteen eighty seven. A young man goes to a boarding house at twenty two Gary Street and asks about renting a room. He's shown several rooms by the woman who I was the house but he only likes room twenty one and she says it's not available. It'll be available Saturday. And so he's like sounds great. Inhale leaves so then the next day. Another young man shows up at that Boarding House saying he heard room twenty one would be available and can he rent it and so she says sure. Fuck that other guy and say I keep as five dollars deposit. And he's given a key and then a few days after that is serving enters room twenty-one and finds the dead body of a young man but it's not the guy that rented room twenty one guy who asked about. Twenty-one it's the Celia bowers twenty seven year old brother Henry Ben Haon so the dead the foster stomachs brother brother. Person's brother is dead in a twenty-one yes twenty one okay. They find him laid on top of the bedsheets. The bed clothes are not must in any way. There's a flask of whiskey next to him a bottle of cyanide and three letters ones written to the coroner ones written to the press and one is written to Dr J. Milton bowers and they're all signed by him. It sounds like the beginning of one of those super irritating. Logic puzzles where you're like I get it. The doctor is a woman. You've but no. This really happened so in the coroner's letter that supposedly Henry wrote he confesses to murdering his own sister. He says he planned to poison Dr Bowers but then Cecilia found out about it and threatened to expose them so then he was like okay. I'll just poison you instead. Create I say why not both but so now Dr bowers attorneys are stoked and they're like our guys getting out of jail later days and but everybody else the prosecutors the press. Everybody who's anybody in eighteen? Knows THAT SOMEHOW DR. Bauer says engineered this whole thing to exonerate himself. Shit right so the people who knew Henry said. He's a cheerful man. He did not drink and he was not suicidal. In any way in fact he had just bought tickets to buy to take his niece to the theater so he obviously the suicide was not a plan in any way also. The handwriting did not match his. So they end up tracking down the mysterious young man who had rented room twenty one and remember feral. The.
"henry ben" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"Blunk communicating to the police find those PIA notes asks j Henry Ben More. That's Tejera the forgot move on. Oh that's very rude Helen. I'm just asking a question saying that's what he's saying. All right. Okay thank you thank you and then I can't find a question but someone asked what's our dreamcast for a sequel. On what do you want a sequel to be apart from made right. Now you have have to go for a similar mix of you know interesting character. Actors of various ages and Rich kids and listeners generally I would I would like to see leaky stanfield comeback and be given a bit more to do so. Let's keep it in that same sort of you know area of the world but there are so many frigging actors from Boston. I mean come on that that puts both Affleck and Damon right in there. You've got Kristen Ski. You've got forgotten everybody's from Boston. So just just stay up there. Arstan New England this more suffering. ooh Like No. That'd be horror I was Gonna go to Maine and have a horror writer. It's it's been a will depend on. What the themes themes of the movie were these you have to build around that Defeat like the notion of LA- Keith Big Fan and Would you bring Marta back. Yes would you want to see Mario Louis. Yeah she's done pushed on. I'm leaning towards. I think I leaned towards Helen. And this one I think if you were to see her it would be just kind of a a nice little scene where she goes during super secure but I I I I want to know a little bit of what happens next in her story. Not like maybe like clipping clipping on his. Not Not not for movies but I want to know a little bit casino. Bama blunk has to go to prison to get some information from ransom drysdale on a maximum security prison and he's fashioned a beautiful sweater out of his prison clothes walk a forbid did and sweater and he says seven he steps out of the shadows for some information. He's like Mr. Mr Belie guy been expect. Magic is happening in this room Brian. uh-huh Yup I think we do an on that bombshell on that note. That is it for our knives out spoiler special. Don't forget the regular podcast as well L. is out every Friday. If you don't already listen please do. So if you don't already if you haven't already subscribed please do so and if you haven't already left us a nice five star review because everything every a little bit helps on agents then please do so as well anyway until we meet again until it spacious occasion until then it is goodbye from Amazon woman earlier you you piece in. What was it what do you? You're you're the zoo impression was amazing. Thank you yeah. I think we're both in different people WANNA blunk anyway. Melanie are going to come on again. Do blunk why can't it. Sorry all right okay. Five Shits and persuade immonen. Helen's stroke this bad ed boy one more time stroke stroke and stroke it once. Thanks for listening seeing time. The calling H._R...
"henry ben" Discussed on PRI's The World
"Orange juice it's true. The back-and-forth enforce continued throughout the day. This bill is somewhat different from the one. Johnson tried and failed to get through parliament. Only a couple of months ago. There's no possibility the of extending negotiations with the EU beyond the end of next year. Some say this is a tactic by Johnson to show voters and European leaders. That he means business. Oh this fear. It has old negotiation cards over to Europe. Opposition politicians like Labour's Henry. Ben Worry it could all end up in a no deal. BREXIT scenario. The negotiations are anything but simple. They become extremely complicated. And that's why I said that I thought the government is taking a big gamble with the future the economy because if they don't achieve this deal by December next year then we're looking once again at no deal. The new bill also drops a promise to align worker's rights with the EU lows and there's abandon vow to protect child refugees seeking to unite with their families. In Britain Lord dubs another Labour politician who himself arrived in the UK. As a young boy fleeing from Nazi Germany says the change could be devastation for child migrants in Europe. These children who are sleeping in different dangerous conditions nations in Calais along the collins particular lesbos that children who are vulnerable the vulnerable to trafficking vulnerable to criminality to prostitution saw and they were finally here and they've set their sights on joining a member of the family who's in the UK. Surely what more sensible inhumane than that Scottish. MP APIECE OR UNHAPPY TO IN BLACKFORD is one of the leaders of the Scottish National Party. He says Johnson's Brexit -til will be harmful to Scotland.
"henry ben" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"If you're listening to us on the overcast overcast player. Please click that little star next to the episode. We really appreciate it and now for the conclusion of part one with Jack Barsky you mentioned in the book deep undercover. That caution is a spies. Best Friend and paranoia is his enemy. What does that mean that's well put? Isn't it unlock that well. Obviously you have to be cautionary but if you take this to an extreme at any point in time in my career so to speak. I couldn't come up with fifty to a hundred reasons why I shouldn't be doing this by. Yeah there's danger lurking around every corner and if you can put this out of your mind then you will freeze freeze because then you just being your pants out of fear as almost like performance anxiety you. I'm sure you're familiar with that. Any good performer has a certain level of performance anxiety. If you go too far you can't perform but if you don't have it your entire being will not be ready to do. Its very best. I I think that's what I meant by saying. Don't be afraid to be scared but don't be scared to a point where you can't operate any more than you might as well Arkadi go home. How do you keep those things straight? Because caution and paranoia are basically on the same spectrum because I think you can do that only in the realm home of reason when you allow you emotions to take over. That question very quickly turned into fear that cannot be managed. It's reason reason you reason with yourself. You know this can't happen this can happen. It doesn't make any sense that the probabilities of something going bad are very low. Put this out of your mind. That's it's fascinating right so you have to control your emotional response to things otherwise you will start to become paranoid. which is the far end of the spectrum? When it comes to the caution so in other words you can become so cautious that you become ineffective? Yeah and I think my scientific training that a lot to do with is when I said. I studied chemistry. Mr Yeah. There was a lot of math in there and always been a numbers person. So when you go into a particular situation when you go into a new endeavour and you figured the probabilities are reasonably in your favor. Then you stop thinking about it you just do it so finally the KGB sends you to Canada. You're ready for almost prime time. I'm you're watching a ton of TV. You mentioned the price is right and you will good times with JJ and Dino yes sir and you you said he had trouble understanding him is that because he spoke essentially an urban dialect of English. That you wouldn't have learned from your teacher Jive right. I could not understand it. I mean it was so oh foreign to me and nowadays you know. I don't even know why I didn't understand it but I had learned what you call high American so to speak. It's not the doesn't doesn't exist. But you know the midwestern brand of the American accent and I could not understand No way I barely managed to understand the flow person out of the diner episode because she had a southern accent. I managed to understand her. You know in in it showed me that I was far away away from actually being an American. That test trip was actually a real good thing. That helped me a lot to understand a to make sure that I don't go into the real game cocky. That's like when you have a good practice. Game in the new coach will tell you all the bad things that you did. You know in my case I just notice that all myself right so you had to pick up so so many different things you mentioned flow from the diner. She's the kiss my grits. That's a Sir that type of thing I watched a lot of TV as a kid. Can you tell we watch the same. MM stuff but what. You probably didn't watch the friendly giant from Canadian broadcasting. I did and I'll tell you why I grew up in Detroit so I was right across from Windsor. And you mentioned going to win the book and you nailed the American common here. You say it's always worth the trip across the river your beer so much better than ours. That is something that everybody Eddie from Detroit says when they go to Windsor which we do all the time. Oh that was a good guess. I had no clue but I knew that the beer was better. I don't know how I knew this because I hadn't had any American beer but I knew it was by law was weaker. Maybe while I was in Montreal people were bragging about well. You know cow beer so much better than you know because the Canadians have a chip on the shoulder and anytime they can say something. We'll talk about something where they're better superior to the southern neighbor they they will rub it in your face. He of course that definitely makes accents. Maybe a little bit of a complex. They're now they're just glad they don't have to deal with the same politicians we do but back then definitely there was a little bit of. Hey you know we're different in this way no offense. I love Canadian brothers and the majority of really good comedians in the United States. So we'll come from Canada so thank you very much for that court. Of course that look you had to acquire choir your identity in Canada. Can you tell us how you tried to get the birth certificate and become essentially American or at that point by what you're doing there. There was a failure. Actually besides this being practice trip I was also instructed to get a copy of birth certificate of a young person who had passed at the early age. I don't know how they found out. I have no idea how they actually found that information. Because the county where the person was born was someplace in California. Nia and the only place in California where the Soviets had folks operating out of San Francisco no idea so anyway. They gave me a name. They gave me basic information and in those days at least it was possible to that you can get a copy of her birth certificate by May also I sat down. I wrote a little letters as I'm Henry Ben Randall. which is the real name that this person had? I remember that one and this is my father's name is my mother's name was born on this date in this place. I'd like to have a copy of my birth certificate and closes the amount of you know there was a fee attached to it and I mailed a letter and then I waited and I waited instead of taking the week or two weeks as we had thought after like five or six weeks. I decided I gotta do something about it. I'm actually called the registrar's Office of the county and I sorta pretended to be angry. I yelled at them as is. Hey listen what happened to my birth certificate. You got my money so can can. I please have what I paid for. And so there was a back and forth and eventually the lady at the other end or whoever was could have been a guy but I think it was a lady I said okay. We'll take care of it and with a week's time I get a letter in the mail. It's addressed to end remand Randall at the address where I lived. I amassed the address was a small hotel so it wasn't visible. There was a hotel and it was from California. Say who in I collect downstairs. Go Up to my room and in anticipation nation of this great success. I opened the letter and I pull this thing out and I was one of the biggest disappointments in my entire life. I mean it ranks only second into being dumped by. My first girlfriend was a bold red letters stamped across from bottom left to top right deceased so this is what I was thinking. Oh Shit because you know immediately you understand that here is a ours Lewis says send me a copy of my birth certificate but the I died something is wrong so you know I packed up. I left Montreal in a went on the rest of my trip. You know from town to town until till I wound up in Windsor and later on I found out that actually law enforcement was on my tail but never really caught up with me as a matter of fact the F. B. I. During my debriefing process or you'll recall it interrogation whatever you WANNA call it. But they showed me a police sketch of me. Wow that was taken based on the folks who were running the hotel giving them a description of what I looked like I mean I escaped by heads breath of being caught at doc point noble undercover career. You know they would have put me in jail. I would've told him you know. I WANNA talk with East German Embassy and eventually you know they could have kept in jail for a while and then I would have been exchanged. I have no idea what the Russians would have done with me but certainly I was off the market for an undercover career case. That's insane. How did you become Jack Barsky and realized this in the book is quite the Saga but how did you become Barsky? who was this person because it's easier for us to say it's the person you're talking to you now but that wasn't always the case? Well after this failure to acquire the birth certificate of Mr Van. Randall the Soviets decided that maybe maybe we will do something different. They sent me back to Berlin for a while with the instructions to learn Portuguese. All idea that somehow Brazil was in the picture they never disclosed whether Brazil was going to be a waystation into the United States which would have been quite normal what they did very often. The goal to the United States by the from country or with a Brazil was going to be the final stop for me but anyway but after about six months I got a call from my handler. Oh listen pack bags OCTA Moscow. We got a birth certificate for you to some diplomat in Washington. DC was wondering around in cemeteries and he found on the gravestone that was engraved with the name of Jack. Barsky born in nineteen forty four best away in nineteen fifty four. I know that now but I didn't know it. Then but he posed as the father of the deceased I acquired a debt certificate. And would that actually was able to get a copy of the original birth certificate then sent it to Moscow and it was added to me and that's how it became Jack. Barsky what do you think of that whole thing. Now I mean is there any sort of at any level in your head. Is there sort of any identity issues that look you've been living under the name of a dead kid for a long time but at the same time that's you also now. Two answers possibly be with three but two primary answers to the question eight. It was standard operating procedure. By Soviet intelligence to steal people's identities particularly individuals would passed the way at younger ages. They did this to out in the thirties and forties at into the fifties number two. I don't feel good about it and I had plans to change the name back to my at least last name back to my German name. which would do well in American English as I could be pronounced the dietrich but I couldn't at the time because I was involved in some civil proceedings in court and you're not allowed to change your name then was caught by sixty minutes and before you know it you know I now have a brand name that says Jack Barsky? I can't get out of it and continue to function in the way I'm functioning now now as an author public speaker all that heat I just. Can't you know eventually I have to find my daughter by the way Chelsea the one who plays a big role in my life she changed her last name back to the German last name. One of those days. I'll find a way to at least shed part of that name because this is one of the things that I don't feel good about. There's not too many things whereas said I was absolutely fundamentally morally wrong but this is one of them every time somebody asks me that question what I think about it you know I just want us to go away with it's hard. Yeah I can imagine and I understand the tough spot that you're in. I don't know if I would have done anything differently. It seems very tough to be able to change something like that after so many years in it to a certain extent rent. You've had the name Jack Barsky longer than the person who originally had it and so I don't know it's tricky. I had it longer than the German named and think about this one. I got a six searle. You ask her. What's your name Kennedy? Barsky Oh yeah okay. So it's a good Jewish Polish name. A lot of people attach your motions to names James. I don't because I carried a lot of them particularly when I travelled illegally but you have to respect for other people look at names of very often people attached their own self to a particular name that they carry. Yeah well again. You didn't so and I think it's more your choice now. The original Jack Barsky has nothing to say about it. In fact in many ways lift fuller life than than he ever had of course so I definitely understand both sides of the equation. Tell us about your arrival in the United States. Now you're finally ready for Primetime wasn't what you can't make that up tenue and that's indicative. How poorly prepared I was the Russians? Didn't have anybody in Chicago ago. So they couldn't prepare me for what to look out for Chicago in what areas to avoid so when I arrived late in the evening when I e planes blamed got through customs the first thing is the place to sleep so I look up the yellow pages. Look up the hotel I call them up a major organization..
"henry ben" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"Point. How much to disney want me to pay for it. They want you to pay seven dollars seven u._s. Dollars <hes> <hes> and that is not very much money when you consider how much the competition costs and what you get for that kind of money then clearly making a finger of saying we are cheaper than netflix like something absolutely and the other thing that got in favor of course is that all of the content they are offering and there's a lot of it they're offering that as a non product there is is nothing unknown here so yes you've seen amazon. Try to build up a bit of a brand themselves. Net flicks have been doing a much better job of it. I would say building up a net flicks brand but at the same time time the netflix brand is something that it tries to capture absolutely everyone. It's very much like in a mainstream television network where it's trying to cater to every demographic under the john disney doesn't care about that. They've already come here. If you like disney stuff that's exactly right and it's it's much more than just disney stuff now of course as well. They end so many things so the the the main difference there of course is that we know what we're getting <hes>. What will that mean full the other. I think is the really big question at the moment. Do you get the since the just finally the disney pitching themselves as something you would take up instead of net flicks and amazon and or whatever else or as well as i i think in the long term disney looking at this as your only streaming service because because at the moment it strikes me as part of the pitch basically come. I'm on another. Seven dollars weren't kill you yeah. That's right and there. I mean look to be clear. Everything that they're making here costs a lot of money so they are going to be making a slight loss. One would imagine patsy even a big loss on the actual streaming service itself but what that means in the long term is that they get to own bay customers and all the data that is going to be going back to them about who their customers are and how they tug at the other products you know disney cruises disney theme parks. The list goes on virtually endless <hes> but it's it's going to be a very very interesting to to see what it means for. The marketplace at seven dollars is not a lot of money and it also gives you an out to four different family accounts which you have to pay extra full with net flicks so it's a much much better offering and it hasn't even doesn't even exist yet henry ben. Thank you for joining us. You're listening to the briefing and finally today on the briefing. Human beings have been traveling into space for more than half the century now crime time has rarely been an issue possibly due to there being little worth pinching among the effects of the average astronaut and the difficulties of absconding with whatever loot one does manage d- purloin the long arms or indeed surly bonds of the law have had little caused to reach for the stars until now an american astronaut and mclean has has been accused of maliciously accessing the bank account of her restraint spouse from aboard. The international space station lieutenant colonel maclean denies any wrongdoing joint with more on this by the space scientists and author david whitehouse david first principles. I i guess spice a law-free zone who is in charge up. There not not a low free zone. It's been declared if you like a place for the benefit of all mankind mind and therefore it hasn't had <hes> commercial law or international law extended into it but on the space station there is an agreement that individual astronauts obey the law of the nation so if an astronaut tom and his his or her property has in any way gotta problem then the lower is from russia or from america or even from when i was there <hes> from great britain the question john of having committed a crime down on the ground because she acts used the space station's very quick internet connection to access her bank account down on the ground probably means it's <hes> u._s..
"henry ben" Discussed on Sports Talk 1050 WTKA
"Welcome back to the EMC, Jerry Morris. Matt Leach on the other side of the glass, and yes, do I sound revive because I went outside and ran around. Let's do stay. Hey, I'll just say usually you do your laps around the office indoors. Nah, I do. But sunny say, hey, you see them jump up. When I when I said, we you're listening to the Joe, and he'd like jump does a, hey, it's time he knew what was up. So. Yeah. Let's open up the phones. Have a little fun. Did anybody see the longest run in football history last night tied for the still a history is the longest running NFL. I know it's a time. Tony Dorsett was the first one, but still the longest run in NFL history. Doesn't matter if it's a tie or not it's still the longest run to people. Now, have it. Hopefully, but have you noticed that they've been long runs all over the place? L what's going on? Why can't people tackle anymore? Now, you hit it. Nobody's tackling. And why because they don't know how to tackle anymore. Don't know how to tackle anymore. It's it's a lost. Art. Everybody's swatted. The ball lords was taught us that. So it's the Lawrence Taylor effect. You know, smacking the ball out the hand making that grand does play, you know, all of that. Nobody wants to tackle. When you tackle use your helmet. The tackle your knock out China knock him out. Now you get penalty. Is you get thrown out games? He tried to get away with that people. Forgot how to wrap them up bring them down. I mean, did you see that run yesterday? I mean, they tried wait a minute. He stiffed arm three guys three three guys three pretty good players to they weren't. Weren't slobs. I I mean, it was just like wow way is going on out there. Grab grab grab. Nobody was grabbing because nobody knows how to grab any more. I was watching it. It was pretty boring game up until that point. Right. It was very boring game up until that point. And he went off. And I kept on thinking they were going to get them. Adamant the lane scrimmage. It did remind me a good amount of the the good old beast mode run marshawn Lynch from when he was in Seattle. Which one was better. I still think Mark Shawn's run was the best run Marshall was better because he was he had to fight out more tackles. There was more. He had to do more to stay up that whole time Henry's was longer ninety nine yards longer those tackles. He wasn't those were stiff arms the first stiff arm in the marshawn Lynch one where he just threw that guy off of them that was that was a Steph arm. So I would still say, yeah. If I had to pick between the two I like the marshawn Lynch better, but they're gonna raise just as impressive or pretty darn impressive last night. Oh, no Derrick Henry was something else. But whereas Derrick Henry, Ben, I I didn't even think he was the starter for his team. It was a little guy little guy that I like the Ann Lewis. Yeah. Starter running backs. They're making a comeback now know all about that. Don't get crazy. See there you go. You always jumping the Gun Talk about running backs coming back. No, no, no, no girly. And let me say this give him that much money for five years and then after five years done. I'm sorry. I mean, but look at the kid Connor for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Boom, lay beyond bell on doesn't sign that the best Flavian lady on do. What was right? He did. What was right for lady on? But he didn't do what was right for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So do you hold that against him? The players on his team. I mean, they griped about it when he held out. Yeah. It's it's one thing again when you have the support of the guys around you that's one thing. But when they're the ones calling you out. Not necessarily the best look because usually players they like to support other players, right? They usually they want you to get your money. They they know what you've gone through. They they have an appreciation that nobody else unless you're one of those how many guys have worn in NFL uniform only a couple thousand in the history of the NFL. So usually. They like to take the sides of one another. But again when not only players in the league, but guys in that same very same locker room are saying come on man shut up and sign it. Get your butt up here. Stop having fun down in Miami. That's when it got to a point where it was like a. I don't know. But why are they worried about that? He's to win football games. They wanna win. But if you want to win with me, tell tell the organization pay me, look the same thing happened in Seattle. Remember same thing was happening in Seattle. The KM I think it was it was camp came chance Kam chancellor was holding out. Remember and Seattle was go. That's when they had they had everything rolling, boom. And Cam held out remember and they lost a couple of games. And they kept saying sign him bring him back. The players were saying that along with the coaches. Now that ain't happening with Pittsburgh. Well, again 'cause something must have happened. They'll be I'm sure they all started on his side saying pay that man. But then. I don't know. I don't know what tipped the scale and turn them in the other direction. But again, it wasn't just one guy in that locker room. He had a lot of guys on that offense calling them out. Everybody was calling them out everyone everybody. I'm just saying. It's just you sit there you like you're amazed at it. Did you know that there's a? There's only one team that secured their playoffs. Position in the NFL. Who Debbie that'd be the Rams. You didn't they got homefield throughout? No, they still got to win a few games. But I mean, the Rams are eleven to one. Where did the chiefs now chiefs? I think they're ten in something. Okay. But you know, they're still mathematically the chargers. Okay. The the the Rams I mean excuse me the chiefs attend to right. The chargers are nine and three. So the I mean the chargers still can win the AFC west if they if something happens to the chiefs chiefs news this week and everything so mathematically, but it's mathematically impossible for the. Say the Seahawks. The come to catch up with the Rams Seahawks are second place in that division at seven and five not gonna catch those eleven in one. Lebanon. One rams. I mean, the saints Saint attended to. They haven't even clinched yet. And nobody on that AFC side. Because even though you're right Kansas City leading ten in two. You got New England's nine in three Houston after losing their first three games is nine and three. And then I got the chargers at nine and three also so a little bit more congested towards the top of that AFC than NFC, right? No, look. That's this is when I started talking about NFL because now we're teams are starting to separate themselves. You got you you brought up Houston. Houston is on the nine game winning streak nine game. They look bad those first three games. Go really bad. I thought that I didn't think just Shawn Watson was the right quarterback for this team. I didn't think I JJ watt was going to get hurt again. It was just like. Wow. Okay. Maybe they're not that good of a team. No, they got it. Together. They figured it out kind of like the saints. I think the saints were oh into last year. And they have that big stat about you know, teams that start oh when to their percentage of making the playoffs his net and last year the saints that we're not having that same thing with Houston this year, just on a roll. How about? We talked about this because remember Lamar Jackson. They were gonna move them the wide receiver. Right. We talked about it. No, no, no, nobody talks about some reporter asked the question. No. They were telling him there was there was a guy whose talk was telling Lamar Jackson should play wide receiver. Go into go into the Columbine. Remember this going to the combine and put him at wide receiver. And we were saying, wait a minute. Now, he's a quarterback all his life. Why would he why would he do that? I get it. You want him to stay there. I mean, you want them to do that. But he'd been playing quarterback let let him let's see what he can do from a quarterback position. And then well. He did get hurt this past weekend. Now, I didn't see that. He did get hurt. We'll I just saw because there were five quarterbacks selected in the first round this year. All of them have three wins. Darnold. Josh rosen. Allen. Can't remember who the other one would be besides Lamar Jackson. But he was the only one who has had three wins with Rosenberg Rosa losses. Rose rosen. Darnold, allen. Thing. I thought there was one more also take oh Baker Mayfield. Right. So again, all those guys have three wins. But it's five losses. Seven losses. Eight losses after Rhett where he's he's three and all the only undefeated rookie quarterback. But apparently, he's not gonna be keeping that street going. 'cause is he gonna be playing this week maybe available. He may be available. I think they have them scheduled to be available. And so since I mean, I guess we haven't really talked much about the NFL on show here. This this season. You think Kansas City, they're looking good. Would you think that they could take over the AFC from the the good old patriots? Or do you think it's still the patriots to lose? I think is still the patriots to lose. I think you. There's still a chance that even if the patriots lose homefield advantage there. They're equipped to go on the road and win. You know, I still think you still got that two headed monster. Ballot. Check and Brady have you heard that crowded Arrowhead. I have I hear there. I hear they're pretty why he I in Nigeria with you. But you have to play down there. I did got a chance there was it. Just as crazy. Yes. Definitely. It's like it's really like a college football game. What about Kansas City makes them go? So nuts for his love it. They love chief football. And they all remember when did she went to the Super Bowl of one and everything like that? So they're always they they have a tradition there. Because you you always hear that that stadium talked about is one of the best home field advantages and all a footballing. It's incredible. Because they built that in the sixties remember, and it's the way it is the way the bowl is the. The crowd noise is incredible. It's amazing. I. I agree with you. I still think it's the patriots solution that AFC, but if Kansas City gets home field and say those to meet in the AFC championship. That's I mean, that's a tough place to go in there. But it's not let's say Andy now Andy Reid has come out the first round of AFC. He's working on it. I'm just looking for very long with it. He was in Philly for so long. You don't know how long he's been there. I mean years it's been it's been a while what five years. Yeah. Alex Smith was his quarterback. Remember he stood. Okay. He's gotta stud. I agree with you. But he's got he's got play defense to they gotta be able to stop people to and. I gotta say this. If you score fifty points game. Do you need to stop any really they lost who they lost to the patriots? And the Rams right? That's what I'm trying to tell you. You gotta be you gotta be able to stop people look, and then they lost an asset. And whatever you wanna say about whatever he did. He shouldn't have kicked that lady or anything like that. No, that's wrong. But when they lost an asset in Kareem. Okay. They lost that young man was something special. He can move the ball. And they could they had a running game along go at that that arm, and I'm just gonna say that armed because he can throw that ball..
"henry ben" Discussed on The Guardian UK: Politics Weekly
"Legal texts, that's what I think people are most concerned about. Yeah. I mean on the interstate Baker Hughes, the Brexit faction of the conservative party's kind of modern describing the fix the fix has already said, this is nonstarter he'd have to be extremely gullible in order to be bought off by that. But that's a big reveal today in parliament of what we think it will be interesting though, Henry Ben on the labour benches put down an amendment, which rejects both Theresa May's deal and no breakfast shin. And if that selected and then voted on and passes, which the toy Brexit is not going to vote for. But some of your main is our. The as she could say to resume from here, or isn't it a humiliating defeat? Because then there won't be a subsequent vote on her because a deal already would have been would being rejected. I mean, some senior labor sources were not that happy. I think we've had been evacuated. I think so murmurings they might prefer national government be tempted down that kind of direction, and we keep hearing things of national government or faction who preferred that. But in any case of our amendment is is quite interesting that could say he's a may form it will still mean her deals rejected, but not by a massive margin. But I think that's potentially why you might not get quite a lot of remain oriented conservative on peace. We in behind it. I think that they would probably have preferred to sit back and -ment that just focused on voiding, no deal exit rather than preemptively saying they were gonna vote down the agreement because I think that if you look at the numbers of them pays declared their opposition within the conservative party to the withdrawal. So far, it's a much bigger stack in the the eurosceptic side route. Than the people who want to vote it down. Like, Joe Johnson, potentially. It seems like Sam chemo for the purpose of having our putting another referendum on the table. And I do find it actually very often the eurosceptics ten not to be off very easily, and they stand ground. Whereas I think some of the more remain oriented concert event pays don't want to frighten the horses might absolutely necessary. They would like it amendment that allows us to avoid no deal, but not necessarily at the same time as that of jettison the agreement gather before you've even had the vote, and of course, we kind of have to ready through the Dominic grieve amendment. That was positively this week that sort of gives them pays a bit more power to determine the next a bit more power, not not necessarily legally binding permitted house political cows, not legally. Point in the sense that I was watching an interview with Dominic grieve after his men was passed. And he said, you know, it doesn't necessarily take no deal off the table. And you know, it's the same firm business planning perspective. Whether you're a business or whether you're a Brexit here. All you can see in point to is. There is leaving date set out in law, and until that changes, I think it needs primary legislation. That's it really becomes a stark choice. That hasn't been changed tunnels came through the minds of people in Downing Street right now, what can they can you can you really be planning for what happens next or is it just living by the hour at felt like they were living by the hour up until until those losses earlier this week. These are people who must be panicking, but also conceding their Penick. Very well may. Was on the radio Thursday morning sounding as you always does incredibly resilient as if incredibly calm. My plan is still the plan. You got to solve nothing. Nothing has changed. Please back me here except 'cause she's tossed in this extra bone, and this is the sign. This is a sign that we're the beginnings of negotiatia negotiation run a write up until the very last minute to vote in the early evening on the Tuesday of next week. And that is tell you what you have this off supposedly parliamentary MP's convoked. You can have a vote whether we go into the backstop or not or whether we hang onto into the implementation period, which frankly notary Brooks to the implementation period when they think about it because you have to stick to laws. Rules, Rex without having a say, so you can see the squeezes beginning to the beginning of the really interesting phase in the squeeze is beginning to start an down extreme played its very first card, and I think if you were Tori, Braxton is rational few to sit back and go, no, no definitely not voting for anything number ten come out with because you want to see. What what that plan B or plan C or plan d might look like might not like anything that attractive to you have we be starting with a blank canvas. But we might you know, the question is all we're gonna see enough move on that Sunday last minute, the Tory pranksters go, but you know, we don't like this. There's something here that we can live with. We're not at that point. Yeah. But we're beginning to see the signs that dance. One of the things that happened last night was that Jillian Smith chief wit was a meeting of the ER O standing outside the Carter there about two dozen remembers of heartbreak hard Brexit factions. Jacob remarks Tif acres ought to be mentioned and others. Also who else is there the DUP because DP known Irish Eunice party? They've done a deal with the back us, and we'll back you let's both against this. The UP say, and here's the crucial ride if there's no confidence vote on the Wednesday put down by Jeremy Corbyn in the neighbor pie. We the DUP will back the Tory, sir. You a free right here with reinforcing position. So you. You can put the squeeze on Downing Street and the pattern Gillian Smith was telling people last night that he feels like now his colleagues beyond reason that there is nothing more that they can offer because they are that because it's become religious deep by that. Or do you think that's just a panicking chief with? I'm not sure I buy that. I think I think they're still negotiating and they tell you what they sound emotionally. They sound amazing relaxed. Do you know, you putting the pack and working out what you can do? I think that this parliamentary law is begins to show what can be done other possibilities may be. Maybe they're not as dramatic as a lot of people in the country might like no deal. Second referendum. What various you prefer? But they're all the beginnings of movement and the game is on. And we'll have more discussion on what happens if Theresa May steal fails later in the show.
"henry ben" Discussed on KQED Radio
"The whole thing could be off. Why would that lead? Spoiler alert up from the whole thing is complicated. It could be drawn out, and it could prompt some pretty extraordinary outcomes the UK and the global economy if things don't go to plan. So we're now inside our BBC Westminster studio through some of the many options facing the UK, I'm joined by Jill rutta, she is program director of the institute of government. Also, John rental on the line from home. He's chief political commentator for the independent, and Jonathan Portes professor of economics and public policy at King's College London, really simply in a few words, if you will Jill rutta, what are the key politically significant features. Do you think of the prime minister's proposed deal? She's made with Brussels that she's bringing to parliament now. So there are two parts to what she's a great. The first one is she's agreed to terms of the UK's withdraw from the EU. She's agreed the money. We will pay commitments to how we will guarantee. The rights of EU citizens who've decided to come here and arrangements for ensuring that there will be no hard border between the Republic violent and northern. That's the case only. The land border with the EU after Brexit. She's also agreed to what's called a political declaration on the future framework of the UK's economic insecurity partnership with the EU, but that's really sort of setting the stage for phase two of the negotiations at start once the UK ceased to be an EU member in order to give time for that negotiation to take place, the UK will have a transition period. Two at the latest December twenty twenty two and in that time the UK would continue to be treated as an e you member. So if you like we stay in the economic side of the EU, but we was off from the Pushkin's. Okay. So John rental. It has taken two years, obviously to agree all of this with your. But now Theresa May has MP's to deal with which a whole extra layer of complexity for her. We're starting today. Several days of parliamentary debate leading up. Up to a vote in a week's time on the deal. It's not looking easy for Theresa mail. At all is it. I mean the deal can come into effect unless it's approved by the parliament. And at the moment. It's opposed on two sides one day, the hard Brexit is on the conservative side to people who just want a clean break with Europe Rana leave without a deal. And then on the other side, you've got labor MP's, many of whom actually want to reverse Brexit. Want to remain in the U ofter all and so two wings have ganged up against the center and the prime minister's go few supporters at all. Yeah. I mean, she'd never had a parliamentary majority in the first place. She's been relying on the Northern Irish DUP, which is itself opposed heavily to this deal because of the Northern Irish element within it. I guess do you think then the vote is bound to fail next Tuesday. If it takes place. Yes, I think it is bound to fail because people have already written it off. Because I know that if she loses it she will Pearl the blade comeback and have another go later possibly after tweaking some words with a you partners, or maybe just by trying to force politic sect, the alternatives to her deal, which is our to leave without a deal, which labor weren't accept or the other alternative is to post Brexit and hold a second referendum. And the question is whether there's a majority for that, involement know, quite close and difficult to judge. Okay. We're gonna come back to that second option in a second. But just dealing with the no deal option as you describe it. Jonathan poured is let me bring you in. You've looked at this. Haven't you amongst a range of economic assessments of what deal would mean it's seen as a pretty scary thing by MP's and economists alike. That's right. We've estimated the long run impacts have. No, Dale, and those are pretty bad. Those could knock off. Eight or nine percent of national income, but the short term impacts are really not susceptible to economic model. The Bank of England has done what it calls some sort of scenario analysis looking at the worst case where we see a very nasty recession. But these are only stabs in the dark, although some of the commentary what you might call scare stories are probably exaggerated. I don't think planes are going to stop flying. I don't think we're going to run out of essential medicines. There is very little that there will be quite substantial disruption to the economy to trade with Europe. And that would lead certainly to some shortages quite a lot of price rises, probably a sharp fall in the pound quite a lot of disruption to our manufacturing industry and a sharp fall in business and consumer confidence the UK pro Brexit trade minister said it won't be the end of the world on the other hand. It's not going to be a walk in the park. Yeah. I mean, some people call it what you described project fair, but you saying there is unanimity in the world of economic analysis. I think there's a very strong consensus about the long term damage. The short term is actually practically a bit guesswork. It's going to be bad. But we didn't know how bad Jan rutta. We're going to put to one side, then the idea of not your Brexit because there's only one hundred MP's who would even countenance the thought out of the six hundred or more. So what do you think then is the next choice for Theresa May herself? She gets no deal next Tuesday. When this vote happens. What does she do? Then she doesn't get no deal. Quite interesting is some amendments have gone down. And it's possible, but one will pass one tractive quite a lot of heavyweight support has been put down by former cabinet minister Henry Ben and that motion rejects both her agreement, but it also says that parliament rejects the option deal, but one of the things to remember is that at the moment, the default is set to know deal because they exit date is in UK do. So it's quite possible to say, there isn't a majority of MP's four no deal, but you need to have a majority of MP's for something other than no deal. Okay. So very briefly there is another option that has been talked about in the last few days, which is a softer version of Brexit than Theresa May's deal, which was for example, the Norway option membership of the European economic area, which allows countries like Norway Iceland, Liechtenstein to get access to the markets without committing them to full membership is that viable, so it's certainly something that as a long term relationship. The EU has said in the past was on the table. The problem for the prime minister has always been that causes a lot of this. The things that prime minister says she didn't want to see freedom of movement of labor and the red line about jurisdiction of a European Court. If there were a majority in parliament, very clearly said, we won't the no way option. There was a brief time. When people said, well, let's have what they call. No way for now to let's have no. As a staging post to a much looser relationship with the EU. I think most of the countries only three of them. But they said, we're actually we don't like the idea that we're just been used as temporary Resto while you saw yourselves out. So Jonathan do you think that the will be happy to have Britain? Look nobody's going to be happy about any of this. Because there are no really good answers. But from an economic perspective, I think it's pretty clear that if you want something that delivers Brexit and does the minimum economic damage both to the UK and to the rest of Europe and solves the Irish border question, then plus customs union takes all those boxes getting there may not be easy. And it will be uncomfortable for the other members uncomfortable, the EU, it'd be really uncomfortable for us. Because it does mean we see quite a lot of control. But it does take the boxes of minimizing the economic damage and delivering breaks it. Okay. Let me tend to John. Rental now because let's look at what we have time the final option, which we've raised already the option that could be there, which is returning the whole question of leaving the e u all together to the general public in a second referendum. This is going to need a delay to Brexit. Right. John. Yes. I mean, that's one of the complications. Because there isn't time under the normal rules for referendums in this country to hold a referendum before the twenty ninth of March. So it would involve the government asking for more time, which we don't know whether they would allow, but they have indicated that they would if it was for a referendum with the option of possibly changing our mind with the question be on the ballot card. Do you imagine? I think the question would have to be threes amaze deal or remaining in the EU. I think it would have to be simple to option referendum on and people talking about a three option referendum with the idea of leaving without a deal being this ad option. But as you just said, there isn't very much support for that in the house of Commons. So that would be the votes for. Putting that on the ballot paper so tired by the politics. Then I mean, could it happen? Can you see us getting to the point where a majority of British MP's tell the prime minister tell the nation. Sorry. We don't like the any of the options of Brexit. Now, we're going to have to ask you again. Whether you really meant it the first. Well, yes, I can because it's a way of continuing to postpone the question the crunch is a way of bridging divisions within parties because know, the labor party can't decide whether at one say labor jobs, first Brexit, or whether it wants to stop Brexit altogether in a referendum, obviously, it would have to campaign on one side or the other. I suspected campaign for a main again, which would be interesting, but it's very difficult to know what the numbers are. I think there isn't a majority in comments for a referendum quite yet. But I think the situation is very fluid. I think that could be conservatives who would support it. And that would be labor MP's would oppose it. The question is how many of each? Yeah. Jan rutta. I mean, how divisive and toxic. Would it be to call a second vote? Do you think in the UK? I think it's quite a high risk option. We saw this tone of the debate during the last referendum, and we've seen the incivility and very ser-. Shrill nate. The political debate ever since then. And I think it's quite interesting. This question the question John rental says there could be two questions on the ballot. But I think you'd find a lot of people who voted to leave. He don't like the terms of withdrawal agreement who would be arguing that so-called clean. Brexit should be on the ballot paper too. So I think the idea that they would regard a second referendum that didn't at least have the option the ballot paper a settling the issue again. I think is very very problematic and believe two very very big rousing forty see that people are prepared to believe that actually they being portrayed in some sense. I think there is going to be worries in Westminster from quite a lot of MP's. You may not like the result of the first referendum. But also don't like the sense that they ask people what they filter now. There's going back and saying you didn't get it. Right. Last time have another go. And I think that'd be big sense that that was what palm. Asking the people today Jonathan we're talking a lot about Britain and the UK and the UK population. We haven't really about Europe. Are they going to be willing to go along with any of this rehashing? I think they will not like it. But ultimately, it is in the economic and political interests of the EU state to keep us relatively in. So if we do decide we want to go for a customs union type arrangement to soft Brexit. There will be a lot of shouting. But we will get there in the end second vote. I think actually the majority of European politicians would regard a second vote where we voted to stay in as again, there would be a lot of uncomfortable issues to be resolved. But they would be very pleased. Okay. I'm gonna around this up. I like all of you. Now, I know no one likes to do this. But I want you to place your bets we've gone through a series of the options, which is the most likely outcome..
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"Would that lead? Spoiler alert up from the whole thing is complicated. It could be drawn out, and it could prompt some pretty extraordinary outcomes. The UK end the global economy if things don't go to plan. So we're now inside our BBC Westminster studio to work through some of the many options facing the UK, I'm joined by Jill rutta, she is program director of the institute of government. Also, John Wren tool on the line from home. He's chief political commentator for the independent, and Jonathan Portes professor of economics and public policy at King's College London, really simply in a few words, if you will Jill rutta, what are the key politically significant features. Do you think of the prime minister's proposed deal? She's made with Brussels that she's bringing to parliament now. So there are two parts to what she's agreed. The first one is she's agreed to terms of the UK's withdrawal from the EU. She's agreed the money. We will pay commitments to how we will guarantee. The rights of EU citizens who've decided to come here and arrangements for ensuring that there will be no hard border between the Republic violent and northern the UK's only. Land border with the EU after Brexit. She's also agreed to what's called a political declaration on the future framework of the UK's economic and security partnership with the EU, but that's really sort of setting the stage for phase two of the negotiations that start once the UK cease to be an e member in order to give time for that negotiation to take place. The UK will have a transition period. Two at the latest December twenty twenty two and in that time the UK would continue to be treated as an e you member. So if you like we stay in the economic side of the EU, but we withdraw from the political institution. Okay. So John rental. It has taken two years to agree all of this with your. But now Theresa May has impedes to deal with which a whole extra layer of complexity for her was starting today. Several days of parliamentary debate leading up. To a vote in a week's time on the deal. It's not looking easy for trees, a male at all is it. No. I mean the deal come come into effect unless it's approved by the u k parliament at the moment. It's opposed on two sides one the hard. Brexit is on the conservative side to people who just want a clean break with Europe Rana leave without a deal. And then on the other side, you've got labor MP's, many of whom actually want to reverse Brexit wanted to remain in the U off all and so two wings have ganged up against the center, and the prime minister's go very few supporters at all. Yeah. I mean, she'd never had a parliamentary majority in the first place. She's been relying on the Northern Irish DUP, which is across itself opposed heavily to this deal because of the Northern Irish element within it. I guess do you think then the vote is bound to fail next Tuesday. I think if it takes place. Yes, I think it is bound to fail because people have already written it off. Because I know that if she loses it she will Pearl the Blake comeback and have another go later possibly after tweaking some words with a you partners or maybe just by trying to force politic. Sect the alternatives to hurt their which is to leave without a deal, which labor weren't accept or the other alternative is to postpone Brexit and hold a second referendum. And the question is whether there's a majority for that involement, and that's quite close and difficult to judge. Okay. We're gonna come back to that second option in a second. But just dealing with the no deal option as you describe it there Jonathan port is let me bring you in. You've looked at this. Haven't you amongst a range of economic assessments of what deal would mean it's seen as a pretty scary thing by MP's and economists alike. That's right. We've estimated the long run impacts have no deal and those are pretty bad. Those could knock off. Eight or nine percent of national income, but the short term impacts a really not susceptible to economic model. The Bank of England has done what it calls some sort of scenario analysis looking at the worst case where we see a very nasty recession. But these are only stabs in the dark, although some of the commentary what you might call scare stories are probably exaggerated. I don't think planes are going to stop flying. I don't think we're going to run out of essential medicines. There is very little that there will be quite substantial disruption to the economy Pugh trade with Europe. And that would lead certainly to some shortages, quite a lot of price rises, probably sharp fall in the pound quite a lot of disruption to our manufacturing industry and a sharp fall in business and consumer confidence the UK pro Brexit trade minister said it won't be the end of the world on the other hand. It's not going to be a walk in the park. Yeah. I mean, some people call what you described project fair, but you saying those unanimity in the world of economic analysis. I think there's a very strong consensus about the long term damage. The short term is actually frankly guesswork. It's going to be bad. But we don't know how that Jan rutta. We're going to put to one side, then the idea of not Brexit because there's only one hundred p's who would even countenance thought out of the six hundred or more. So what do you think then is the next choice for Theresa May herself? She gets no deal next Tuesday. When this vote happens. What does she do? Then she doesn't get no deal. Quite interesting is some amendments have gone down. And it's possible that one will pass one that's attracted quite a lot of heavyweight support has been put down by former cabinet minister, Henry Ben and that motion rejects both Hera agreement, but say says that parliament rejects the option no deal, but one of the things to remember is that at the moment, the default is set to know deal because the exit date is in UK do. So it's quite possible to say, there isn't a majority of MP's four no deal, but you need to have a majority of MP's for something other than no deal. Okay. So very briefly there is another option that has been talked about in the last few days, which is a softer version of Brexit than Theresa May's deal, which was for example, the Norway option membership of the European economic area, which allows countries like Norway Iceland, Liechtenstein to get access to the markets without committing them to full membership is that viable, so it's certainly something that as a long term relationship. The EU has said in the past was on the table. The problem for the prime minister has always been that crosses a lot of this. Or the things that prime minister says she didn't want to see freedom of movement of labor and the red line about jurisdiction of a European Court. If there were a majority in parliament, very clearly said, we won't the no way option. There was a brief time. When people said, well, let's have what they called no way for now. Let's have no. As a staging post to a much looser relationship with the EU. I think most of the countries only three of them. But they said, we're actually we don't like the idea that we're just been used as temporary rest home when you saw your cells out. So I'm Jonathan g thing that the will be happy to have Britain. Look nobody's going to be happy about any of this. Because there are no really good answers. But from an economic perspective, I think it's pretty clear that if you want something that delivers Brexit and does the minimum economic damage both to the UK and to the rest of Europe and solves the Irish border question, then EA plus customs union takes all those boxes getting there may not be easy. And it will be uncomfortable for the other members be uncomfortable. The EU be really uncomfortable for us. Because it does mean we see quite a lot of control. But it does take the boxes of minimizing the economic damage and delivering breaks it. Okay. Let me turn to John. Rental now because let's look at what we have time the final option, which we've raised already the option that could be there, which is returning the whole question of leaving the EU all together to the general public in a second referendum. This is going to need a delay to Brexit. Right. John. Yes. I mean, that's one of the complications. Because there isn't time under the normal rules the referendums in this country to hold a referendum before the twenty ninth of March. So it would involve government asking for more time, which we don't know whether they would allow, but they have indicated that they would if it was for a referendum with the option of possibly changing our mind would the question be on the ballot card. Do you imagine? The question would have to be Theresa May's deal all remaining in the EU. I think it would be simple to option referendum. I mean, people have talked about a three option referendum with the idea of leaving without to deal being the third option. But as you said, there isn't very much support for that in the house of Commons. So I don't think there would be very it's four. Putting that on the ballot paper so tired by the politics. Then I mean, could it happen? Can you see us getting to the point where a majority of British MP's tell the prime minister tell the nation. Sorry. We don't like any of the options of Brexit. Now, we're going to have to ask you again. Whether you really meant it the first. Well, yes, I can because it's a way of continuing to postpone the question the crunch moment is away bridging divisions within parties because in the labor party can't decide whether at one say labor jobs, first Brexit, or whether it wants to stop Brexit altogether in a referendum, obviously, it would have to campaign on one side or the other. I suspected campaign for a main again, which would be interesting, but it's very difficult to know what the numbers are. I think there isn't a majority in the house of Commons for a referendum quite yet. But I think the situation is very fluid. I think that could be conservatives who would support it. And there would be labor and pizza would oppose it. My question is how many of each? Yeah. Jan rutta. I mean, how divisive and toxic. Would it be to call a second vote? Do you think in the UK? I think it's quite a high risk option. We saw the tone of the debate during the last referendum, and we've seen the incivility and very ser-. Shrill nature. The political debate ever since then. And I think it's quite interesting. This question the question John rental says there could only be two questions on the ballot. But I think you'd find a lot of people who voted to leave don't like the terms of withdrawal agreement who would be arguing that so-called clean. Brexit should be on the ballot paper too. So I think the idea that they would regard a second referendum that didn't at least have the option the ballot paper a settling the issue again. I think is very very problematic and believe two very very big rousing already see that people are prepared to believe that actually being portrayed in some sense. I think there is gonna be worries in Westminster from quite a lot of MP's. You may not like the result of the first referendum. But also don't like the sense that they ask people what they filter now. There's going back and saying you didn't get it. Right. Last time have another go. And I think it'd be a big sense that that was what palm. Asking people today, Jonathan we'll talk a lot about Britain and the UK and the UK population. We haven't really about Europe. Are they going to be willing to go along with any of this rehashing? I think they will not like it. But ultimately, it is in the economic and political interests of the EU state to keep us relatively bearded. So if we do decide we want to go for an EA customs union type arrangement to soft Brexit. There will be a lot of shouting. But we will get there in the end same and vote second vote. I think actually the majority of European politicians would regard the second vote where we voted to stay in as again, there would be a lot of uncomfortable issues to be resolved. But they would be very pleased. Okay. I'm going to around this up. I like all of you. Now, I know no one likes to do this. But I want you to place your bets we've gone through a series of the options, which is the most likely outcome. Six months from now. What will we be describing John rental? First of all, I think in the. End. Theresa May will force parliament to face up to the choices. I mean, in a way referendum only postpones the final destination. I mean, there are a few choices leaving without a deal her deal as the possibility of negotiating some other kinds of stuff to Brexit, which would be even less popular with her MP's and a nice just abandoning the whole thing. And I think in the end she will force parliament to make the choice between her deal and leaving without a deal in which case heard you will get through to resume. Winds are going to John rental, Jonathan what do you think there is a majority in parliament for some form of soft breaks it because it does take the requisite box is Theresa May's obsession with ending free movement, which is stopping us being there already. So I suspect we'll get there in the end something watered down from her proposal, which would be very unpopular as John said with lots of the conservative party, but he's still got could have a majority in parliament because most of the labor party will support. It Jill rutta, I think you. You really need to decouple the withdrawal agreement from the future relationship, unless you won't be a remain overturn referendum than basically, you sort of have to accept their withdrawal agreement if you want to leave with some sort of day on I think most people would leave with some sort of deal. I think what we might see is quite an opening up of this debate that the prime minister is trying to close down and keep to a few eights at number ten and keep sort of.
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"This podcast is sponsored by the association of the british pharmaceutical industry we work so that diseases like blood cancer don't control people's lives we worked to achieve a brighter tomorrow we'll coffee how shops suspect suspected has political because i'm agha's and i'm joined by james aside and katie booze so the withdrawal has finally passed jamesy think theresa may's breathing a sigh of relief this morning you could see the policy change policy trees may look more lax than she has in some time and her team looked visibly like a way to being lifted from their shoulders because they finally got with bill free parliament and with fewer changes to that i think many of us expected at the beginning of the process and yesterday the crucially my s today's the tory rebels again they backed away from a full on confrontation with government now you can save at the can keep being kicked down the road but i think one of the things here is the labor party clearly disappointed in the tory rebels having quite shocked by them henry ben gave a speech mocking on nick grieve essentially for backing down yesterday i those tensions could have increase it will become harder for the rebels to defeat the government because the government all of labor onside they get all of its mp's regardless how sickle ill vase for house of commons vote as those relations worsen but becomes more difficult so i guess today was it was actually a pretty decent day for the government and what is that he was promised to the tory rebels to get into playable on every that much in the end i mean essentially the government said look you know joe birkett will make life as difficult for us as possible so why don't you rely on that and the fact that he will allow the motion to be amended essentially but leaving that's not a concession because tom berko could have done that anyway engage does this mean that will be a meaningful rate i think this is going to have more fun and it really depends what you think meaningful is it the vote there is currently on the table the still the take the deliveries bait and comes back with on dairy take no do but i do think that is looking like there are things in place that would mean no deal with be harder to bring it back that sad think gets when those classic cases of a compromise both sides kind to think they've ones those interesting to see people like chuck minner yesterday after the vote and saying that that that managed to tie the.
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"The shocking at the time when he was a shadow immigration of and in parliament i never i never imagines that will be sitting here uh down the line discussing it um i it's it's shocking there was no doubt in your mind that it was damien green who had access to pornography on that computer absolutely lodi whatsoever did you mentioned pornography annual statement because you wrote a statement don't you about what you found in the goes to the senior investigating officer yes that's correct did you mentioned the pornography and incitement one item because it was a is had i bearing on the on the leak investigation if there's browsing relationship leaks documents um than yeah that would have been relevant said why now in 2017 why you now coming forward doing it doing it if you're talking about this subject in the last few weeks there was a announcement until arms in relation to demine grain having having his computer is that right denial of lattes was was quite quite amazing followed by his his criticism of but quick my mussina obscene osa so i contacted too short for my my support ready when i left the place i kept one network and that was the notebook who or question maza why did you keep not one but now is because that was the the the case that i was uncomfortable with all the others have i have paid fouls in a terrorist they've there passed the gone and but this one case with one operation miza i've never been comfortable with neil lewis speaking to a home affairs cause corresponded danny short spokesperson for damien green has said it would be inappropriate for mr green to comment on these allegations while the cabinet office investigation is ongoing however from the outset he has been very clear that he never watched all downloaded pornography on the computers seized from his office he maintains his innocence of these charges and awaits the outcome of the investigation with arms to sudden the conman select committee on brexit is weighing in on the northern ireland border issue to their and doing so pretty stark terms they say we don't see how we could leave the customs union and the single market but not have a border or infrastructure between northern ireland and the republic henry ben senior labour mps chair of the exiting thing the european union committee on his own line good morning to you good only a before we get.
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"Switched that idea into something you actually tried okay that's good so i think what happened is that i am so i'm seeing these pictures and i'm trying to imagine where do i start in know and how it i make this happen and i couldn't picture myself you know like what if i may disclose how howard i do that and then i couldn't picture myself howard i sell them yeah you know what i go to stores other people were telling me they were going to like um henry ben dell and waiting in line for hours and the buyer would go like nope and rocket yet him did not have that was not you you were not a you're not a hustler in that way now i was a shy an an introvert at i think of time but but i knew i couldn't i was definitely not hustler and i could not have done that idea was mortified to you to have yeah go and friday will be what what what do you think was the would have been hardest part of that that the rejection some missing no or trying to articulate what what it was email both her both i think probably it was still rejection at the time you know but articulating was and still is a kind of a an issue for me just thinking today about trying to to host story barely dry gold judging great i think this is a very credible story so so you're thinking all right i i am i try this but i i cannot even imagine what i would do after right i would have like a sample of this point.
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"In syria the consequences mr osborn told him _p's this week were devastating thousands killed millions displaced ally stew stabilized the great of circled islamic state and the refugee crisis in europe that fuel to the growth afar right patches mr osborn type was the western democracy is in general and the house of commons in particular would now understand that there is a price to be paid for moments of mention i'm to with twenty twenty hindsight that is arguable just as it can be argued that military intervention in syria much of had it's been deadly consequences the truth is that the current generation event _p's remain and are likely to remain deeply reluctant stole thrice substantial military action by purchase forces they don't want to cause more instability in an already um stable world and they seem unwilling to risk the lives of pressure servicemen and women remember how much control to see there was this time last year when and p said already have jets striking circled islamic state could go off to targets in syria as well as a rock it was a modest extension of an existing operation in the same as space and you have to took a brave and career defining speech by the labor and p henry ben to defy his front bench and when that day the west's continuing reluctance to deploy military forces is illustrated by line that does the rounds in diplomatic connected gimmick circles we tried intervening in occupying in iraq and that didn't work we tried intervening and we'll talk departing in libya untouched did not work we tried nuts intervening and not so compelling in syria and that didn't work either and that crude analysis is almost always followed by a shrug of the shoulders the risk is the one day suit and these um certain times rich in other countries may have to put them buttrey forces in harm's way again and the question then the weather the politicians will be able to do so james led depth one country that is involved in syria is a raw on we had our best a power at the un the lead tweets role providing arms.
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"Yeah when apparently was sacks of say he expressed No confidence in the needs and Jeremy Colin Henry Ben is the son of Tony bag Lacy and the end of an excuse for it was a huge finger in the name of Palffy that many is again and he was somebody new was nine isn't a great power threat to dispatch folks and that when we band to some extent pace up that mantle a little bit he had say he was praised by those in the name of the onset of fines and it led me to some of the things that he was saying around the Syria contract nothing too much and Edwards there and Westminster and Tom we also heard Hiller event speaking and to some of the UK media a shot while go saying Look Jeremy Corbin the leader of labor is a decent man but he's no lead a jump and then become founder of Justin sources and Managing Director for China resurgence here Christian Jones is also with us he's the group global markets director gentleman thank you so much of very quick question because we could take this in a million different ways right the timetable how do we start talking with Brussels he and fighting with an labor The and fighting with in the Conservatives and overall what we're is even less it's this long delay in time until October of the comers give himself to the table we have civil war in the Torrey poppy civil war in the late apology we have other groups around We have you could group people for UK independence who get about ten fifty percent of the vote British politics is in chaos.