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"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"Book is our final segment. The book is Mother of Modern evangelicalism. The Life and Legacy of Henrietta Mears. Arlen Miglia also coming to us from Whitworth University, Spokane, Washington, Arlen I'm amazed to hear that she Was so broad minded now some of us would describe it is broad minded. Others would describe it as sloppy, theologically sloppy. I disagree, but Because of her point of view, it's interesting. It leaves really, to a new thing called the Para Church movement. I mean, obviously bill bright young life and to some extent, Billy Graham, although, of course we always worked with churches. But this idea that the church exists beyond the church and exists beyond the walls of churches. Beyond the nominations, the fact that she was able to be friendly with Roman Catholics, the fact that she was able to be Friendly with Pentecostals or faith healers are all Roberts. I mean, that is really my theology, and some people are very put off by that. They don't understand it because I think that they're I think some people could be overly theological. In a way. It doesn't mean the theology is not important. But you know, you have to ask compared to what The fact that she really was so ecumenical and that she defined the gospel as the center. It seems to me makes her extremely influential. Maybe maybe that's her biggest. Her biggest influence. I don't know. What do you think? Well, I think I think she spoke in a number of ways to a culture that needed to hear. Uh, a unorthodox e unorthodox faith, you know, a historically theologically appropriate faith. That spoke to the 20th century and so you have her again. I don't want to say that she included. Everyone in her acumen is, um I mean, that's that would be inappropriate or who would write. I mean last week, but everyone, there's a line you draw a line and just because you You make common cause with Catholics doesn't mean you agree with all their doctor in otherwise you would yourself become a Roman Catholic. So it's you know, it all depends on what we're talking about. But why do you say that? I mean, did she have some real Uh, issues with with some denominations or some people? Well, she she She took barbs from everybody, She said it wouldn't play would be better being swallowed by a whale that nibbled by Um, on Toby's, because, you know, she just was She got it a lot, You know, but she she persevered. I think to what she does is mirrors eyes. How do we How do we Bring this theology into the 20th century. And so she she was always trying to figure out how do we make thoughtful connections with the world without again giving away our theology without again take it without giving up our our conservative sense of The Christian faith. She also really treasured the life of the mind that I think was really needed against so many fundamentalists were essentially saying, You know, we have to be separate from the culture. We don't I mean, in fact, William Bell Riley had a crusade against University of Minnesota, which was her Mater. She was a scientist, after all, so he believes it's a funny thing, because, of course it cuts both ways. And the question is always exactly where do you end up right now? That was the idea of being separate. That's a biblical idea, and that has to the influence our lives, but some people as he said, fundamentalists becomes so separatist that they're no longer salt and light. They don't care about the culture. It's all gonna burn. And they tend to have more of a focus on you know, we're in the end times and the kind of an apocalyptic schedule or something like that. So it's interesting that evangelicalism it seems to me manages to split the difference in the in the right way, but I'm not surprised that she bumped up against a lot of people who were not thrilled. Mm hmm. She and she always put the faith first. I mean, she believed that very much need to serve the world. He'd engage the world and thoughtful kinds of ways again without giving away your theology giving away your fundamental beliefs. But she very much was a person that always was trying to find ways to connect with people. And I think the more I talk to individuals. The more I realized this woman had a real gift for discerning how people could serve the church in ways that were going to be significant for all kinds of folks. And she did that true through much of her life when it was in Minneapolis at First Baptist or First press in Hollywood. Well, it it really It really is amazing. And again. The fact that she is a woman is important because, you know, we don't know how many. How many women can we point, Tonto? As as major figures in the church in this way Now you did say, I think you said that she she didn't marry. No, she didn't. And how old was she? When she died? It sounds like he was 73 in that neighborhood 70 to 70 72, But it seems like she gave her life to all kinds of people. She had a lot of spirituals, sons and daughters and granddaughters. Probably. I mean, that's just some may think to me. Yeah, that's what she called him. She is. I have a lot of kids, You know? I just don't have My own ball. Biological kids, So yeah, she She really poured her life and these people, I think she she put her life out. I mean, she's one of those folks that you just you look at her schedule. I mean, in the late 19 fifties, when she's pushing 70, you know. She has she had, you know, on her annual report, Her list of activities went on for four and it was 44 have single spaced pages on this one is almost 70 years old. Oh, my gosh. I am. Really, I'm just thrilled. Finally to get t O know her her the period of her life too. I mean, when you think of nobody talks about Billy Sunday anymore, But obviously there was a whole generation for whom he was Billy Graham. He was it. Is there anybody else? Uh, along those lines? I mean, I think of him and Amy Simple McPherson from that era, uh, well known evangelists. Obviously these before TV, I assume they did a lot of radio. Um, did she know Billy Sunday? Yeah, he came. She she had known very well as she had..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"Talking with a biographer and an academic at Wentworth College and Spokane, Washington. The author is Arlen Miglia zoh. On the book, his mother of modern evangelicalism, the Life and Legacy of Henrietta Mears. Arlen, You were just saying that Henrietta Mears was the one that said Billy Graham's The guy. She saw something in him. What year is this? Roughly This is 1949 the summer of 1949 just before the crusade that started in September of 49. That's the crusade that absolutely launched his career. Is it not? It was the intriguing thing about this this other event when you have these folks that common and want to have Ah, crusade in Hollywood. This is before the L A crusade. So again, Graham wasn't known it all nationally at this particular point in time, So Mears has them come to her conference center. Listen to Billy Graham and listen to this other fellow On at the end of it, she said. You know Billy Graham's ago you should have come to the to the Hollywood crusade. And so they decided to do that, without again knowing too much about Graham and then less than a month later, the L A crusade happens. The Hollywood crusade happens about a year and a half after that. On and there you have it So again, Mirrors plays this background role. I think that's really quite significant and mirror in Billy Graham's ministry in life and build, writes another one. Jim Rayburn, who is the head of a young life international. I said, I learned I learned how to do youth Ministry from Mirrors. Uh, while she did was, uh, you know, Superintendent Early careers of those three figures were done. She's the mother of modern evangelicalism. I mean, that is really extraordinary. Because you can't really think of what 20th century evangelicalism would be without those three figures He just mentioned, um So that's what it amazes me that I haven't heard of Henrietta Mears. Now did you have an opportunity to meet Bill or via net? Bright because I know that they've both gone to be with the Lord. I've met them both. But But did you get to talk to them at any point? No, I try Bill Bright had already passed on. By the time I begin this work, I tried to get hold of Annette bright, but she had stopped giving interviews at that particular point. So I was able to interview either one of those But a colleague Andrea Van Boven, had done a a master's thesis on mirrors back in the O. I think the nineties and I contacted her, and she had done a bunch of the interviews and she had interviewed Bill Bright. On some other folks that I wasn't able to give you and she graciously that we used her interviews for this. So I did my own interviews. And then Andrea let me borrow her tapes so I could use some of the work she did at that particular bill bright that was really helpful. I mean, look, it's impressive if she died in 1963 that you were able to interview 60 people that knew her personally, I'm kind of amazed by that. That doesn't seem possible. Mm hmm. Yeah, it was. It was. It was amazing to listen. These folks talk I, um you know, we have toe talk about just the fact that she was a woman in the role of women in the church. There wasn't really much of a place for women in the church. And yet we also to be fair have to say that Christians have been at the forefront of this kind of social change. There is no question About that, Andre. So it's interesting to see that she is given a role that she's able to be such an influence. You could say the same thing about you know any simple McPherson. There are there are women that have played huge roles in the evangelical movement. Yes, that's that's very true. And I think she she on Lee one time did I find that she called herself a preacher. Uh, other than that she was a teacher, but she threw that. That mechanism are through that function was able again to influence telling these people that that are again leading lights of the new evangelical movement. Um And again we see them again. I just mentioned three or four of the most significant the ones that would resonate with with your listeners. But I think that there's so many other folks behind the scenes. I mean, she trained upwards of 400 different folks that went into formal ministry and again, that's not just Presbyterian. That's folks and in all different kinds of Of denominations because she she believed very much in casting a wide net. She she had a way of bringing people in That I think was fairly unique for the time. I mean, back in the fifties, particularly there was a pretty strong backlash against Roman Catholics in this country of among many even jokes. Many notable evangelicals And mirrors. Never, you know, she never did that. I mean, she she had some reservations about Catholicism. I certainly don't want toe. Over overplay this, but she didn't speak out against Roman Catholics. In fact, I mean, the only man she ever loved was Roman Catholic. On that again presented some issues back in the teams that 19 teens. But I think that the fact she had a very, very close relationship with Catholic priests and beards in Minnesota, where she taught for two years. I think that moderated a lot. Her sense of You know, Thea, The Roman Catholic threat is a lot of people thought she did. She met the pope. I mean, one of the pope's So this is a woman who is really quite amazing. You think of that. Why didn't she? You have oral Roberts. You're you're making Is that go ahead. Sorry. Good. I was gonna say, you know, faith healers, or she had oral Roberts over her house. I mean, there were a number of different from any settlement Fierce is she had a cordial relationship with Aimee Semple McPherson. So these folks that might otherwise be on the outs with with other folks that had a kind of a smaller net. She kind of welcome them in. I mean, I think it's safe to say that she probably did a lot and this is this is really a huge thing in Redefining or defining what is the church? Because if you have that kind of healthy acumen is, um you're gonna make a lot of enemies pickling denominations on yet if you have a heart for evangelical, if you have a heart for the gospel in a way, that's where you're gonna go. I want to talk more about that when we come back, folks, I'm talking Arlen Miglia out. So the book his mother of modern evangelicalism, the Life and Legacy of Henrietta Mears. It's a new book. Don't go with.
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"About a biography of Henrietta Mears, The mother of modern evangelicalism is the title. The author. Who's with me for this hour? Arland Miglia. So how do you say your name? Arlen Ice. I assume it's uh, not with an idiotic Italianate tone as I just said it, Miglia. So how do you say Nick Leoz meal yet? So it's the way it should be pronounced. But if I said that people would run screaming in the opposite direction, so I know they don't have Not a huge ethnic neighborhood in Spokane. I'm just guessing I don't know the farther West you go. The tougher it is. But here in New York, that would be way would accept that. Well, look, Arlen meekly yet So you've written an entire book biography like this? Have you written other biographies? Is this your first out now? Biography? Is my first biography. I've worked a lot in other areas. I did a little history of a town in South Carolina. I worked and Christian, higher education, culture and notions and Christian higher education, all sorts of things, But this is the first biography that I've done. It's It's an extraordinary Process, isn't it? I mean, having done a few of them. It's just there's nothing like it to get involved in someone else's life and to dig and you said you'd read a previous biography about her. When was that written the previous one. Actually there, therefore others biographies. The first was written in the mid fifties by a woman that was kind of her assistant at the Hollywood Church. And it was based, basically, interviews that she did with Henrietta Mirrors in the in the mid fifties. The second one came out just after her death. Another assistant that worked with her relic you for many years in Hollywood. On one of her college department kind of proteges wrote that one that came out again the early sixties and then that it repeats a number of the things that showed up in the earlier book on then, in the Over the last decade or two. There've been a couple of other books that have come out. But again, they kind of reiterated what had been said before they were based. They were essentially based in a mirrors his own recollections or these peoples. Personal experiences with her. But again, those of people all were involved with her in Hollywood. None of them knew her really before, and she didn't come to Hollywood. So she was 38 years old, So I thought there was a A lot of room there to go back to the sources in Fargo in Minneapolis on even in Hollywood, the kind of piece together I hope more detailed perspective on her life and work. Well, uh what How did you do that? I mean, how does one go back? I've never written a biography where we have to use many primary sources just because there are so many books written about the subjects of my biographies. You know whether the Martin Luther Bahnhof for we're Wilberforce. But with somebody like mirrors. Yeah, I mean, where did you go to find information on her early years. How did you track that down? Well, I started at the First Baptist Church in Minneapolis. They have a pretty good archive there late in brewski Junior who was kind of their our chemist. Really? Let me have the run of the place and Had all the old records of the church went back and found actually heard her a notation in the minutes of the church record where she became a member of the church When she was a kid found records. Also in this school in the Small rural towns where she caught. One was North branch, which was kind of north of the twin city. She taught there for a year and then moved to the eastern Extreme eastern Minnesota and taught in, you know, count called Beardsley for a couple years went to the Methodist Church. She went to their found some records used a lot of the archives of the Minnesota History Center in ST Paul. And then, of course in Hollywood, I was able to use the archives at the Hollywood Church. I also interviewed over 60 people that knew her. And that was That was a lot of fun. A lot of folks that that's kind of amazing, and that's a lot of work. That is. That is amazing. So this took you a little while to do this. Just not the kind of thing you you knocked out during the Christmas vacation. Who was Leonard Eilers, the preaching cowboy. I had to ask you about the preaching cowboy, because when you're talking about You know, Fargo, and we're talking about another world, the 19 thirties and forties. So who was the preaching cowboy, But he grew up in Wyoming and then a zoo cowboy, and I think it was under the Ministry of Billy Sunday, he became a Christian moved out to the Southern California. And became involved. I think he was, if I remember correctly, he was working for one of the studios on was going to the Hollywood Church that they had a place they're just south of where the church is now, a few blocks Gower Gulch Because the church is on Gower and Carlos of just which is just north of Hollywood Boulevard and Gower Gulch is where all the cowboy guys would go if they wanted. They were waiting for casting calls for some of the studios. And so I learned such you know Here's an opportunity to have kind of a ministry among some of these, these folks that are trying to break into the film and that sort of stuff. So he worked for a studio for a while, but then quit that and became essentially a full time evangelist that he would do rope tricks and that sort of thing. Talk to kids about Christianity, that sort of thing, But he married the secretary at the Hollywood First Presbyterian Church and again, both of them knew mirrors quite well. I love the idea of evangelist with last Sue. Yeah, because I think Jesus did state I will make you a last sewer of men. But Typically, the Greek translation always says fishers of men. All right, So this is another time. And when you say the mother of modern evangelicalism again, most of us aren't aware of her, which is why I'm so grateful for your work in writing this this book, But you're saying this is a woman who had an influence on some of the key figures that we wouldn't know. Like Billy Graham. Tell us about that. How would they come to know of her? Mm. Well, partly through her ministry at the Hollywood Church, the again her that she built that study school from about 1619 28. Over 6000 in 1960. So the huge Sonny school on through that Sonny school came a number of folks and she was really involved in the developing the college Department of the Church of the Sunday school, and that's where that's what she really put a lot of her emphasis, so she's training. These college age leaders on bond that again helped develop build right. For example of founder of Campus Crusade for Christ. It came to came to faith under mirrors his leadership. And so much of what he did in campus crusade is reflective of his involvement. She he, he and fun it bright lived with mirrors for about 10 years. And actually started campus didn't start Chemist Crusade but nurtured campus crusade from mirrors his home across from U C L. A. Billy Graham first met her. He met some of her proteges before he met her. Actually, there was revival going on in the late forties and the twin cities and some of mirrors is Proteges, air mentees that had come out actually prayed with Graham Be assed. He became the head of that Northwest college or Northwest schools that was built Our William Bell Riley's creation, Riley passed on his Mantle to Billy Granted, Billy Graham became the youngest college president in the country for a time anyway, um in mirrors, invited him to come to the college briefing a conference at Forest Home, which is the conference center..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"A lot of these folks that we today, consider Luminaries of kind of the evangelical movement that emerges in the forties. But she was doing evangelical types of things azaleas, the 19 teens and twenties with her Fidelis class of young women in in Minneapolis. It's so fascinating to think that this is someone obviously, you know, coming of age in a time when there really wasn't much of a role. For women in the church. And so the idea that she found her way through Sunday school Christian education where you can teach your maybe not preaching, but you're teaching on She was so good that obviously She She made it an amazing name for herself. I'm you know, I'm always sorry if I haven't really heard of someone, but I'm also happy because now I get to hear of them. Thanks to you and your book. What an amazing life. I mean, it's kind of funny when he said the class she took over head about one student in it. What is about one? What is that? Is that a thing? Uh, yeah, she the class was actually taught by her sister, uh, and didn't have the greatest reputation. They were kind of not terribly interested in Listen to her sister. And so whenever Henrietta would come back to Minneapolis from her teaching posts on vacation, her sister Margaret would have from teach the class well when she finally came back for good. In 1917 to Minneapolis market cost you over hands, said Henrietta. You take over your younger They listen to you better. Maybe you can. Maybe you can double double the class, perhaps bite by inviting a friend. That's that's what she did. That's what mirrors did she essentially, you know the lot of the reorganized a Sunday school that same that same year, so they lost. A lot of women have been part of that group anyway. Some years took the one or two remaining, and it's unclear if there were one or two or three. There's there's you know, the source is really different to say it was a depressing number. Really small right? So she would she would go out and she would call in all the young women within the neighborhood of the church and again within a couple months. She's you know, more than well it from one or 2 to 44 it. This is we're just getting started here, folks. I'm talking to the author of a new book Mother of Modern Evangelicalism. The Life and Legacy of Henrietta Mears will be.
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"A fan of biographies. It's not only because I've written three biographies is because I think it's an amazing way to communicate all kinds of things through the life of someone I'm holding in my hand, a book. It's called Mother of Modern evangelicalism. The life and Legacy of Henrietta nears. Have you heard of Henrietta Mears? I can hear you. I'll take that as a maybe you've heard of her, But you don't know about her. Henrietta Mears is a name that I have heard. I know almost nothing about her. So when I got a copy of this book, Mother of modern evangelicalism, the life and legacy of Henrietta Mears, I was really excited. It's by Erdman Erdmann has always publishes the best books you can tell. They're Dutch, very fastidious. And the author Arlen Media. So, um, is coming into us. From Milan, Italy. Arlen wanted to lay down You're really you're really coming to us from Spokane, Washington, aren't you? Yes, indeed. That's the home of being Crosby. Is it? Not? It is's childhood home, is writing her Gonzaga University. Well, I've been to Spokane. I hope to get there again. Beautiful theater there. These the Bing Crosby Theater, this wonderful restored old theater. Well, so you're worth the reason I know Whitworth University is because of our friend, Dr Steven Meyer. He's with the Discovery Institute. He's written all these wonderful books. We just had him on this program. But you You have taught many different things. The history of evangelicalism among them. I assume that's how you came to write the book on Henrietta Mirrors. Well, actually, I'm I'm an old broken down youth director from years ago, and it had been involved in a kind of youth ministry and I read one of the earlier biographies of her way back when and s O I. Somehow that was In the back of my mind for a long time. And then I'd finished another book actually out of completely different topic and said, No, I'm gonna I'm gonna find out more about her because I never met her. I grew up in Southern California. And actually even went to the Hollywood First Presbyterian Church a couple of times for various things, but I'd never met her. She had died before I ever got into that church. So anyway, I use if you're not meeting her, though, that that would be Yeah. Alright. Now listen no less than George Mars Dende Holy cow. George Marsden has praised the book, he says we've long needed they first rate biography of Henrietta Mears. Last. This does not do the trick. That's a joke. I just made that up. No, he actually said he actually eyes on the back of your book praising your book, George Martin, of course. Avery famous biographer on academic himself, but for somebody who knows absolutely nothing about Henrietta Mears, give us you know the 62nd version. Who's Henrietta Mears? When did she lived? What did she do? Why do you call it? The mother of modern evangelical ism. Yes, well, she was born in 18 90 North and Fargo, North Dakota on and essentially grew up in a pretty strong Baptist family. Both her mother and father were very involved in Baptist church. In fact, in the Dakota's before they were even separate states. They helped found a couple different Baptist churches, one in South Dakota woman, But what becomes North Dakota? The Dakotas didn't split until after 18 90. Well, No. This is in the 18 eighties before she was even born. Okay s so they were really quite involved in the early in early mid 18 eighties in church planning, if you will, even though they again they weren't They were ministers that he was a financier, and she was a state home mom very when she grew up in that kind environment, And then the family moved to Minneapolis and got involved in William Bell Riley's First Baptist Church of Minneapolis, which, of course, is one of the the really central locations for the fundamentalist movement in the teens and the twenties and of 20th century, So she grew up in that environment. I made a commitment to faith in before she was 10 years old and trained at the University of Minnesota became a school teacher, and it was in her teaching that we really began to see the connection between her faith and Again, wider, important issues in fake development of folks, so she got involved. She was a teacher in high school. She talked a couple of rules Rural school district's before she moved back to Minneapolis. Talk there for 10 years chemistry but was involved in Riley's church. He took a Sunday school class. That actually, when she took it over from her sister had about one person in it on. She built that into the largest class. It was a class of young women in the entire church. She when she started The class when she took over the class again, it had one person within a year. There were 44 young women in it on another year, 151 by 1927. There were over 440 students in that class, and a lot of them went to the mission field. Number of them became missionaries and active laypeople. But these air these are women who again were At that time had a kind of a limited up instead of opportunities well by 1926 or so she had been developing such a reputation as a Christian educator. In the Greater Minneapolis ST Paul area that the minister of the first president to repair Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, California wanted her to come and become the director of Christian Education Hollywood, and she she took him up on that took her a year and a half to kind of figure out she wanted to go or not. Came to Hollywood in 1928. And between 1928 her death in 1963. She became one of the leading lights of again. This this growing evangelical movement, a supposed to the fundamentalist know when I think of fundamentalism, I think essentially of Doctoral kinds of issues. But you think the same thing about evangelicals you know the doctrines air pre much the same. The difference between fundamentalism and what we would call even and Joeckel ism as Mears developed. It was a real real strong sense that we had to nurture the mind. You had to engage secular culture and important kinds of ways while still maintaining a strong sense of orthodoxy. And she developed. She did belt with the largest publishing houses of religious material in the country. She developed, reportedly the largest Sunday school in the Presbyterian Church in the entire country. She started a Christian Conference center in Southern California that today hosts over 60,000 people a year she was really involved in the beginning stages of the National Association of Evangelicals. Wasn't one of the co founders of what the first organized ministry to Hollywood celebrities back in the 1949 really influence on life of Billy Graham and Bill Bright Jim Rayburn of Young life..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Patriot 1280 AM
"Great. I'm so happy but the day after your big lawn you interviewed me yesterday and I was this giddy as a schoolgirl Have have you interview me to have a love that into In front of the host microphone. And I hope you were something you had pigtails and everything. Just like a schoolgirl. I was Yes, I was getting is a school girl. But you know what? Yesterday when a book launch is It's a little crazy because they give you all this media right? I was supposed to be in Tucker. I had an hour with Dennis Prager. Tucker got canceled because of the snow because they couldn't get the mobile studio Van. To where I live. So I'm going to do Tucker at some point soon, then Dennis Prager had to reschedule it. And so you're It's just so crazy. This morning I was on Joe Piscopo is on Mark Davis in Dallas, Jennifer Jennifer Horn in Los Angeles talking to the Atlantic Monthly later today, I'm gonna be just all kinds of fun stuff, but the most fun thing. And we're going to air it on this program. And Albert I know you heard it last night. But I did ask me anything. I did a live Facebook live YouTube event for Salem, which is the radio network that we're on, and 20 people paid money to be part of the Zoom called to ask questions, and we have a lot of technical issues. But it was so much fun for me to just be able to riff and talk to these sweet people on and it wasn't so much about my book fish out of water, but, um, it was just a lot of fun. So we're going to get that video up. And I have to say this album and I'm saying this because you're letting me know What I am being dramatically Shadow band on Facebook Because every note everybody knows I'm a violent, you know, agitator. I look like an insurrectionist. Just look at the tattoos on my face, so Uh, so if you follow me on Facebook, please share anything that I put on there, because right now, nobody's seeing what I do, Uh, the the YouTube ban for a week. Totally depressed our numbers, So we're getting Dramatically fewer views on the videos. And we have Tim Tebow. We get Darryl Strawberry. We got all these great things on there. Obviously, John's Merrick and stuff so I don't know We're gonna We're gonna post anything controversial on rumble, but the best thing and I'm sure I've said this. Maybe once before. If you sign up for my newsletter, Um, I'm trying to send out all the information of about everything in the newsletter. On. If you're bored by that you could just delete it. But if that's the only way for me to send everything, so I also have to say Oh, by the way in today, in a couple of minutes, we're gonna be talking to the great Roger Stone not to be confused with the other. Roger Stone's Roger Stone. Um he is a Character of characters. He's an amazing character, and he has some kind of hot news that he wants to share with us, and I am thrilled to have him on its way. I'm wearing a tie so, but s so he's coming on an hour to we're going to take a literary detour. To talk to the author. Of a book The Life and Legacy of Henrietta Mears, the mother of modern evangelicalism. I didn't know anything about this woman if it weren't for this woman, you mean there may have never heard of Billy Graham or Bill Bright or she was an amazing figure. So we're talking to the author Arlen Migliaccio. So in our two that's gonna be really great. I'm excited about that, Um Uh, that's great. I want to hear about this Billy Graham fella. You talk about who? Oh, you'll like him. You like him and oh, and also I I should say, Did anybody see What happened on Newsmax yesterday with my clindell? Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah. No look news. Max is a great place. But the host Of that show. You know, he's just an anchor, so he probably is either centrist or maybe didn't like trump or something like that. But he got so agitated that he walked off the set because Mike Lyndall was talking about the election fraud or whatever, and It was really bizarre. And it's yet another reason for me to have the excuse to tell people that the main sponsor of this program is my pillow and We need to show my car support. If many of you of course already have done that, But, um almost all of my books are available at my store dot com if you don't want to patronize Amazon. And I can't blame you. My store.
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"I mean there were a number of different from any simple mcpherson. She had a cordial relationship of ab simple mcpherson. So these folks that might otherwise. Be on the outs with with other folks that had a kind of a smaller net. She kind of welcomed him in. I mean. I think it's safe to say that she probably did a lot. And this is. This is really a huge thing in redefining or defining. What is the church. Because if you have that kind of healthy acumen ism you'll make a lot of enemies trickling denominations and yet if you have a heart fran djelic. He everhart for the gospel in a way. That's where you're going to talk more about that when we come back folks. I'm talking to arlen make leon. So the book is mother of modern. Evangelical the life and legacy of henrietta mears. It's a new book. Don't go away. Wants to talk to. The author of a new book is our final segment The book is mother of modern. Evangelical the life and legacy of henrietta mears arslan medaglia also coming to us from the university. Spokane washington arlen. I'm amazed to hear that she was so broad minded. Now would describe it as broad minded others would describe it as sloppy theologically sloppy. I disagree but because of her point of view it's interesting it leaves really to a new thing called the para church movement. I mean obviously bill. Bright young life And to some extent. Billy graham although of course the always worked with churches but this idea that the church exists beyond the church exists beyond the walls of churches beyond denominations that the fact that she was able to be friendly with roman catholics the fact that she was able to be friendly with pentecostals or faith healers are all roberts. I mean that is really My theology and i some people are very put off by that. They don't understand it. Because i think that there i think some people could be overly theological in a way..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Welcome back we're talking. With a biographer in an academic at whitworth college in spokane washington the authors. Arlen mig lezo. And the book is mother of modern. Evangelical isn't the life and legacy of henrietta mears. Arlen you're just saying that henrietta mears was the one that said. Billy graham's the guy. She saw something in him. What year is this. Roughly this is nineteen forty nine the summer of nineteen forty nine just before the l. a. crusade starting september of forty nine and that's the crusade that launched his career at not. It was and the intriguing thing about this this other event when you have these folks that come and want to have a crusade in this is before the la crusade so again. Graham wasn't known at all nationally at this particular point in time so mears has them come to her. Her conference center. Listened to billy graham and listen to this other fellow and at the end of it she said you know billy graham's the guy you should have come to the to the hollywood crusade and so they decided to do that without again knowing much about graham and then less than a month later the la crusade happens. The hollywood crusade happens about a year and a half after that and there you have it so again. Mears plays this background role. I think that's really quite significant. In mir in the billy graham ministry in life bill rights and other one jim rayburn who is the head of young life international said i learned. I learned how to do youth ministry from years. All she did was The superintendent the early careers of those. Three figures were done. She's the mother of modern. Evangelical has really extraordinary. Because you can't really think of what. Twentieth century evangelism would be without a those three figures. You just mentioned Still that's why it amazes me that i haven't heard of of henrietta mears now. Did you have an opportunity to meet bill. Von at bright. Because i know that they both Gotten to be with the lord. I've met them both but but did you get to talk.
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"We're just getting started here folks. I'm talking to the author of a new book. Mother of modern evangelical the life and legacy henrietta mears. We'll be right back welcome back. We're talking about a biography of henrietta. Mears the mother of modern evangelical ism is the title the author. Who's with me for this hour. Arlen midgley out. So how do you say your name. Arslan is i assume it's not with an idiotic italianate tone as i just said. Admittedly iso head bad is the way that it should be pronounced. But if i said that people would run screaming in the opposite direction they don't have not a huge ethnic neighborhood in in spokane. I'm just guessing. I don't know the farther west. You go the tougher. It is but a here in new york That would be. We would accept that. We'll look arlen so you've written an entire book biography like this. Have you written other biographies. Is this your first out biography. This is my first biography. I've worked a lot in other areas. I i did a little history of a town. In south carolina. I've worked in christian higher education culture and in notions in christian higher education those sorts of things. But this is the first biography that i've done. It's it's an extraordinary process isn't it. I mean having done a few of them it's just There's nothing like it to get involved in someone else's life and to dig and you said you'd read previous biography about her. When was that written the previous one. Actually there are four others biographies. The i was written in the mid fifties by a woman that was kind of her assisted at the hollywood church and was basically interested. She did with henrietta mirrors in in the again mid fifties. The second one came out just after her death. Another assistant. That worked with her actually. For many years in hollywood and one of her college department kind of proteges. Row wrote that one and that came out again the early sixties and then it It repeats a number of the things that showed up in the earlier book..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"A schoolgirl to have you. Have you interview me to have loved up into In in front of the host microphone. And i hope you hit. You had pig tails and everything just like a schoolgirl. I was yes. I was giddy as a school. But you know what yesterday when a book launches. It's a little crazy because they give the all this media right. I was supposed to be on. Tucker i had an hour with. Dennis prager tucker cancelled because of the snow because they couldn't get the mobile studio van to where i live so i'm going do tucker at some point soon. Then dennis prager had to reschedule it and it's just so crazy. This morning i was on joe. Piscopo is on mark davis in dallas jennifer jennifer horn in los angeles talking to the atlantic monthly later. Today i'm going to be just all kinds of fun stuff but the most fun thing and we're gonna air it on this program And alvin i know you heard it last night. But i did ask anything a live. Facebook live youtube for salem. Which is the radio network that we're on and twenty people paid money to be part of the zoom call to ask questions and we have a lot of technical issues but it was so much fun for me to just be able to riff and talk to these sweet people and it wasn't so much about my book fish out of water but It was just a lot of fun. So we're going to get that video up and i have to say this album and i'm i'm saying this because you're letting me know but i am being dramatically shadow banned on facebook because every no everybody knows on me violent. You know agitator. I i look like insurrectionist. Just look at the tattoos on my face so so if you follow me on facebook please share anything that i put on there because right now nobody seeing what. I do a hut. The the youtube ban for a week totally depressed our numbers. So we're getting dramatically fewer views on the videos that we have tim. Tibo darrell strawberry. We've got all these great things on there. Obviously drums miratec and stuff. So i don't know we're gonna we're gonna post anything controversial rumble but the best thing. And i'm sure i've said this may be once before If you sign up for my newsletter We're out all the information of about everything in the newsletter And if you're bored by that you can just delete it but if that's the only way for me to send everything so I also have to say oh by the way in today in a couple of minutes. We're going to be talking to the great roger. Stone not to be confused with the other roger stone's roger stone He is a character of characters. He's an amazing character and he has some kind of hot news that he wants to share with us. And i'm thrilled to have him on. It's why i'm wearing a tie So but so he's coming on in our to. We're going to take literary Detour to talk to the author of a book. The life and legacy of henrietta mears the mother of modern evangelical ism. I didn't know anything about this woman. If it weren't for this woman you may have never heard of billy graham bill bright or she was an amazing figure. So we're talking to the author arlen media liat so In our to that's going to be really great. I'm excited about that. That's great. I want to hear about this billy. Graham fell you talk about. Oh you like him. You like him and owen. Also i should say. Did anybody see what happened on. Newsmax yesterday with mike lindell. Yeah i heard about that. Yeah nella newsmax is a great place but the host of that show..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Welcome to the program as you know. I'm a fan of biographies. It's not only because i've written three biographies. It's because i think it's an amazing way to communicate all kinds of things through the life of someone. I'm holding in my hand a book. It's called mother of modern. Djelic eliza the life and legacy of henrietta mears. Have you heard of henrietta mears. I can hear you. I'll take that as you may have heard of her. You don't know about her. Henrietta mears is a name that i have heard. I know almost nothing about it. So when i got a copy of this book. Mother of modern evangelical is the life and legacy of henrietta mears. I was really excited. It's by erdman's erdman's always publishes the best books you can tell other. Dutch very fastidious and The author arlen media so Is coming to us from milan. Italy arlen one tie You're really really coming to us from spokane. Washington aren't you. That's the home of being crosby. Is it not it. Is your child at home. Is right near gonzaga university. Well i have been to spokane. I hope to get there again. Beautiful theater there these the the bing crosby theater this wonderful restored a theater while so you're worth The reason i know whitworth university is because of our dr steven meyer. He's with the discovery institute. He's written all these wonderful books..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on Greg Laurie Podcast
"God. I will do listen to this. One godly man or woman in the darkest situation can make a dramatic difference in. Here's the thing. I don't know where you are right now. But maybe you're in a place you don't necessarily want to be. You don't know why you're in the setting that you're in right now. Why did they end up in this neighborhood with that neighbor. Why did i ended up in this classroom with that teacher. Why do they end up in this workplace with this boss or this person that works next to me. Why did they end up. Were i am. I wish i wasn't in this place. Did it ever occur to you that god puts you right where you are for a reason. A beautiful young woman down herself as the queen of persia at a strategic time in the history of the jewish people because the plot was hatched for them all to be exterminated and she was oblivious to this. Her uncle mordecai said to queen. Esther who knows that got does not place you where you are for such a time as this and i suggest the same is true of you in the same is true of me. We want to go out there and make arstan and trying to get out of where we are to borrow a sixty sane blue where you are planted except that. I'm here because got his. Put me here. And i'm going to do the best job that i can't to shine my light for. Jesus christ how many of you have heard of your hand her to bill yet. You've heard it's must've you. How many of you've heard of bright bright not as many. He founded campus crusade for christ the privilege of getting to know bill bright and of course billy is grandma's well and So here's another name. How many of you heard of henrietta mears ridge again. Henrietta mears almost no one who was henry at mirrors okay. She's an interesting lady. She was felt called by the lord. Teach us sunday school class at the first presbyterian church in hollywood in one thousand nine hundred twenty eight under her direction her class group from four hundred to four thousand. That's a big sunday school class. Everybody wanted to hear her speak. She ended up downing gospel light publishing and the forest thome conference center. And what's interesting about the impact of henrietta. Mears is over. four hundred. Young people entered full time christian service as a result of the impact of her life including bill. Bright in billy graham. So maybe you're not a billy graham but you could be a henrietta mears again to quote that statement. I'm only one but i am what. I cannot do everything that. I can do something what i can do. I ought to do what i ought to do. By the grace of god. I will do. How many of you have heard of sammy. Mayson ridge ryan semi mason. Almost no one well okay. Sammy mason was a stunt pilot and and a committed follower of jesus christ and he would teach people to fly out at the santa paula. Airport one day a man came to him and said he wanted to learn to fly. This man had bought an antique steverman by plane. And it turns out that this man's name was steve mcqueen and at that point steve mcqueen was the number one movie star in the world and he had conquered auto racing and motocross and now he wanted to learn how to fly and it also turns out that steve had been searching for his entire life for the meaning and purpose of life. He was raised by an alcoholic mother. That had little to no time for him. He also never knew his biological father. He spent time at chino boys republic because his mother wanted nothing to do with me live crazy life. He ascended to the top of the hill and the world of hollywood was making millions of dollars in that everything perks kid one but there was a big hole in this heart and it just came at the time when he wanted to learn how to fight so he's been out in the cockpit with semi mason. Semi mason was a men's man kind of assault of the earth guy and stephen mired him and does steve. Sme what is your secret. you're different. You seem peace and sammy told steve about his faith in. Jesus christ semi's faith was so strong. Steve actually asked. Can i go to church with you. Found that interesting now that semi invited him but seed said. Can i go to church with you. Semi agreed the ended up at the been tour and missionary church and been tura california. And the pastor there leonard dewit met and interviewed spokane preach the gospel and at the end of his services. He would invite people to christ just like we do and so after a few weeks passed here that mcqueen was coming to his church and he just told the people leave him alone. Don't bother donors autographs mcqueen came and said i wanna talk with you and they had an extended conversation which resulted in steve mcqueen committing his life to jesus christ okay so the power of one. So you've heard of stephen crane. you probably haven't heard of sammy. Your verdict billy graham. You haven't heard of henrietta. Mears doesn't matter. We all have a part to play. We all have something to do. We all have sphere of influence. And we wanna do what we can do while we can do it because you may be the only christian that some people will ever know. You're the only one and you are a representative of christ. It's been said. Christians are walking up pistols written by god and read by men. You may be the only bible some people ever read. And so i want to look now. At the power of one one man who impacted millions of people one man who do his godly life of integrity kept two. And a half million from turning to idolatry. I'm talking about moses. The man of god and you know what when moses the men of god left the scene literally all hell broke loose exodus. Thirty two one. They're waiting on moses when people saw how long have is taking moses to come back down the mountain. They gathered around aaron. Come on they said. Make us some gods who can lead us. We don't know what happened to this fellow. Moses who brought us here from the land of egypt interesting instead of recognizing it was the lord to moses who had led them out of egypt he thought it was moses himself in as soon as moses was gone they were looking for something to take his place in effect. They're saying look we. We need something we can touch. I mean moses was the guy we could grab him by the arm. We can voice our complaints to him. We could panama on the back. But he's not here so we need some tangible thing. We cannot relate to an invisible. God we need an object. We need a thing. We need something that we can look to to help us. And that's where the golden calf comes in now. We can be critical of moses but really we should not because it was his integrity and influence. That kept them from doing this. In fact moses. The men of god should be commended emulated and follow. He demonstrates the power of one. How he do it. He was a man of personal integrity. He was moses. The men of god when he's out of the picture look what happens. You know what. Aaron just did a bad job at. How did aaron even get in this position. Because moses wanted him there. When god came nimmo's and said i want you to go to the ferro and demand the release of my people moses. No way lord. I'm not a good speaker. I have a. I have a speech speech impediment. I don't wanna do this lord. I'll tell you what. I'll make you a deal. Moses said to let me bring aaron with me he is mood. he is articulate. He has the gift of gab. He can do all the talking alerts all right so he agreed. But this was not god's real plan and now when errands slept in charge he was like the worst baby sitter ever pastor greg. Laurie will have more insight from the life of moses the man of personal integrity in just a moment everybody greg laurie here inviting you to join me every weekend for what we call harvest at home. It's a church service. It's a worship service. It's a bible study and it's wherever you want it to be in your home in your car sitting on a beach walking down the street watching it on your own wherever you are. You could take it with you and be ministered to every weekend. Join us for harvest at home at harvest dot org now. Pastor gray continues. His message called the power of one available at harvest dot org. Here's moses up in the mountain and he's getting ready to return and this is what he sees exodus. Thirty two i twenty one. Moses comes down and demands. What did these people do to make you. Bring such terrible sin upon them. Hey don't be so sad. Aaron says you know how evil these people are these that make us. God's who will lead us. We don't know what happened to this. Fella moses brought us from the land of egypt so i said whoever as gold jewellery ticket off they brought it to me and i threw it into the fire. Came this cap. Yeah that's exactly how it happens. A lot he was the one that says you bring your old. He was the one that melted it. He was the one that made it into the shape of calf and he was the one that said here. Is your god israel worship. It is saying. I don't wanna they worshipping the golden calf because they keep from egypt and egypt was like idol central right so they had all these images that they worshipped and they were used to this sort of thing and so they were voted back to this and really aaron also shows the power of one but he shows the power of about example. See one man living a godly. Life had a great influence. One man living in a compromise. Life had a horrible influence. I he lies. He says well we threw it into the fire out. Came this calf. what does he think. Moses is a complete idiot. that's not even a good excuse. Was george washington. Who said quote. It's better to offer no excuse than a bad one. Aaron initiated he was responsible and that's the second thing he didn't take responsibility for his actions. It was his watch. It helped that people with this idolatry he should have stopped them called and reviews and to make matters worse he rub it in religious jargon to do away with the guilt. Look at verse five thirty two he made a proclamation instead. Tomorrow is a feast to the lord in a second a feast to the lord. You're gonna work nine eleven you're calling it a feast to the lord and then we read a verse. Six rose early offered burnt offerings and brought peace off rains. They sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play you. See what a. Contrast moses and aaron are moses set an example that people can follow. Aaron sets a bad example. Moses is known for his decisiveness conviction. And doing what is right. Aaron is known for his indecisiveness his week will and wanting to fit in. You see he didn't want to offend anyone and sometimes were afraid to make a stand because we don't want to offend well. You know i. I'm not going to stand up for that and you just kind of go along with the program. Don't do that make a stand doing this right. Not what is easy and sometimes when you do what is right. It's very hard. It's been said quote. A good leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go but when they get there. They're glad they went like that. Statement leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go when they get there. They're glad they went a leader. Does what is right. A man or a woman of integrity does the right thing if someone is watching or not see. When aaron was with moses he was godly in quotes. when he wasn't with moses he was pretty ungodly and he gave in and lead them in this sin. Sometimes we're the same way you know when we're around. Strong believers were strong kind've and the moment we get away from them. We just crumble. We just collapse just given hey find strong believers to be around and in time you need to be that strong believer you need to be there person in a group of people says. I don't agree with that. Because the bible says or no. I'm not gonna go along with that but this is not the right thing. You make your stand for what is right and trust me. God will bless you for that the power of one. I am only one. But i can do something what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna do that so do you can do. I mentioned semi mason earlier and he played a key role in the conversion of steve mcqueen. I don't think steve would've ever heard pastor leonard if he didn't find him and he could connect to a man that just lived it. A man that steve admired and that led him to hear the gospel and life to jesus christ look there is nothing this world that can fill a hole in your heart in your life that was designed to be filled by god and god alone. You're sort of pre wired this way and this is why everything we're looking for is found on a relationship of jesus christ and jesus came to this certainty died on the cross for our sin. He rose again from the dead now he stands at the door of each of our lives and he knocks and says a full here is voice and open the door. He'll come in. And i wondered today as we close this service. If you've ever asked jesus to come into your life you know. Maybe you're here because you came with your wife or your husband or your parents or somebody else. You don't even really want to be here that much but your year in. Here's what i'm saying. Are you ready to really come into a relationship with god. You can't live someone else's relationship with god. God is no grandchildren only sons and daughters. And the way you become a child of god is by believing the bible says for as many as received him he gave them the power to become sons of god. You have to receive him. You have to ask him to come into your life. You your own relationship with god and you can have it today and he will never let you down. He will never disappoint you. He will never abandon you. He will never leave you or forsake you. He will be there for you to help you find the meaning and purpose in life. You've been searching for and best of all give you the absolute assurance of an afterlife in heaven and all you need to do is pray and say god. I'm sorry for myself. And i want christ to come in my life or for some of you. Maybe that a fallen away you need to come back to the lord he will receive you but you must returned to him. God tests returned to be back citing children. And i will heal you in a moment. We're gonna pray. And i'm going to extend an invitation for you to us. Christ come into your life for for you to make a recommitment to jesus. That's all power heads father. Thank you for your word to us. Thank you for sending jesus to die for us than to rise again from.
"henrietta mears" Discussed on Chasing Elephants Audio Podcast
"With. With not agreeing on some things, you know the. K for us not to agree on everything you know breath we agree Taylor. We probably agree on a lot of things backing guaranteeing their thing. There are things we don't agree on you know what I still love you I have the utmost respect for you and so I think is a brand to we have to be okay with saying you know the these are the core things that are very important to us and we never waver on those. But you know what? Outside of those were really open to learning and to listening and finding out some areas where we might need to make some changes. Yeah, that's a good word Shannon as a good word I. I miss used parenting is kind of a little bit of an example analogy there I kind of Miss. The answers In three and four that were so much more practical than you're just gets harder, but it's rattling. It's a microcosm of there aren't easy answers in the world in which in which we live the the nature of the world is broken by sin means that there is a law that. The complexity of the tragedies are very, very layered and D.? And of course, in and of itself speaks to our world broken sin we we we. Have a fourteen year old a thirteen year old and an eleven year old, and we just kind of introduced the eleven year old this past week to everything that's happening and I remember sitting able my fourteen year old. We already had conversations with him a thirteen year old not. Just turned thirteen. So we've had conversations with not as indepth is with the fourteen year old. My eleven year old were just now having all those conversations because most of her friends are black in there, I think a small group church only two white girls. In this hard for to understand but I remember this moment in which we were having church together at the table. And they all had their bibles in their journals open. In my youngest, her name is mercy. Goes and she's got her pencil and she's trying to ride and she goes how do you spell racism? And I did. Down the table at my wife, just she burst into tears. and. That since we were in one sense Kind of popping the bubble on on this innocence that she has she didn't know this ugly thing was out there. In And just It caused me to go I. Miss the days of simple answers. But we don't live in days of simple answer site. which lead to this last question in that is you know we teach our students at Sou? I'm summarizing Henrietta mears in her book all about the Bible when she says that every one of us at an every moment are writing autobiography of our own souls. and. So if we are storytellers, we're riding our own narratives. The Lord gives us the freedom to do that. We're on a journey. what what advice would you give whether it's a young adult student that matter..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress
"The following program is sponsored by the national prayer chapel. Tom <music> aw aw and i know no yeah. The only aw today sermon is prerecorded. Get past your pride. Let's pray almighty. God as i speak the word is put on my heart. Would you carry us past our pride. Lord move today with power among us reshape remould break down the wall. Thank q. jesus. I pray in your name. Hey man this issue of pride is so difficult to get beyond beyond. There's a there's an issue that is so hard to get past and that's our pride. It's reflected in all of how we live. What we think about where we go. How we walk. It's reflected in our facial expression. It's reflected in our decisions and our choices. It's kissing cousins with self. Love except pride is that outward manifestation of self love and it was considered a vice for many years by christians but today it's considered a virtue. We have to come back to recognize that. It's not a virtue. It's a vice. I've watched just with interest over the years. Presbyterian church called hollywood press. It's the church that bill bright came out of its the church that impacted deeply billy graham henrietta mears was a bible teacher deter at this <hes> this church billy graham was discouraged and ready to give up his ministry and he came one one afternoon to this church and he and bill bright and a couple of others. Ask henrietta mears if she would trae all night with them. They had to get a breakthrough and that night they prayed suzy hours of that darkness and suddenly is the presence of god filled the room where they were praying. Bill bright later said he never experienced anything like it was the in filling of the holy spirit into his life. It put billy graham back on the road as an evangelist lives were touched stat night. This all happened at the hollywood presbyterian church and then a friend of mine from pennsylvania. You went to hollywood press as the senior pastor. So i continued watching this church and then he accepted another assignment in a new pastor came and through the years this congregation slowly dwindled. It was dying in size. It was a mega church that it was dying. The new pastor came in and he said look what we have to do is become relevant. We're not meeting the culture and and so in a planning committee they came up with the idea of going to a nightclub a short distance away from the hollywood presbyterian are in church and offering their an urban experience of worship and so everyone was invited needed to come and t shirts and jeans they had a rock band and they began to do a worldly seeker sensitive church and immediately it was very popular they soon had three hundred and fifty members attending this church and then slowly a a change began to happen because people out of that urban experience began to come into hollywood presbyterian church which is the elite of the elites and so now a class war broke out between the urban experience church and the hollywood press elite church church last week they put their pastor on administrative leave and the headquarters of the presbyterian church rich stepped in and took over the congregation. They're having meetings five six hundred people at a time meeting to talk about how they don't like this pastor and what he's doing to their hollywood presbyterian church and of course the pastor saying look in the time time i've been here..
"henrietta mears" Discussed on The Bible Project
"So both moody and, and Sunday were very much a national message, then I saw a huge difference with Billy Graham. And I love Billy Graham, but Billy Graham and campus crusade and. Henrietta mears. She gave away Billy Graham crusade gave away. Six million copies of her book and at the end of that book. She has this outline of four spiritual laws fast. So I, I spent a year I got a librarian a professional Lybrand to at the Bible's all about what the Bible's all about. I got a librarian to work with me. And we got back to the original documents of Henrietta Mears. She did not have this, this, oh, this four point. She got it from Billy Graham, and from Bill bright, Bill, bright, campus crusade. Yeah, yeah. And that's where we got our four point sermon prior to that. No one knew the spiritual laws for spiritual. No one knew that gospel. Is that is that like your center, God loves you year center? Jesus died for you. Accept him into your heart. Yeah. Four point that'll change Listrik sermon comes out of the mid twentieth, century. You're saying the forty four. Okay. Yeah, that's where it begins to grow. And this is this. Was remarkable. Because if you talk even main liners, that's the gospel sure, because they've all heard it from Billy Graham, and he's changed the lives of many, many people and I'm grateful for that. He's not saying wrong, but. Serving how what the word gospel refers to in generations mind has shifted dramatically shifted over original gospel was to tell the story of Jesus. And if you listen to that story, the spirit of God, works, and cause people to repentance and baptism so what's your one liner? What is the gospel? See, that's the problem. Rismawan those one liners. Jesus is Lord. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Can. Well, this is. Yeah. Knobs evasion, you make is different. Even in the New Testament, the different summaries differ in details through different based on the audience. Jesus. It's telling correct. Telling and tempt, you know, you've probably heard me say this, I taught seventeen years, Jesus of Nazareth, to college students, I saw hundreds, at least one hundred of college students give their life to Jesus, because they love Jesus of the gospel. Yes. And so our friend, Dan Kimball writes a book they love Jesus. But not the church. That is so true. I found that was students all the time they wanted to hear about Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. So tell. Yeah. So tell them about Jesus. How many books yet? Well, there's this one, and then another Kim, two one two more cats do it the next book of years, I came across was I was assigned number of sermons in preaching series through first Corinthians. So then I'm just deep dive into Paul. That was a great season of learning for me. And it was around the same time period that you publish a fellowship of difference, and it's exploring in a practical, funny way, essentially Paul's vision of the beloved community of the unified body of Christ. So in terms of my years of reading Paul, my perception of Paul was like the heavy duty theologian. And, and, you know, don't sleep around and be holy and love each other. Those my baseline perception and over the years become so clear to me, how for Paul the unity and commitment of love mutual support of diverse communities. Wasn't just an add on for Paul. It was central to the expression of the gospel in his mind and heart. And so that's what you're after in a fellowship of difference. Tell me more about this. This Bush wrote this, my students in the start writing as soon as I hit northern seventy I wanted to write a book on the Christian life for my Paul class. So I started working on this, but so I loved it when you said it's his vision of the beloved community because for me it was vision of the Christian life, which is a vision of church life..