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Refrigerator Diaries Episode 33
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW dot I'd past detroit dot com more information. Welcome to refrigerator diaries behind the food. I'm your host Godwin. Hannity two coup in to junior has mouthful chef owner operator of young a village and I am here with Detroit Legendary Chef Jones. I don't know about that but over here. I I appreciate you being here. I appreciate you being here so for those of you that are new to our jury diaries. We have a lot of our guests. Come on couple of things that we do. We talk about the food we talk about. Detroit and we also have you give us a little bit about your most excellent food experience your most awkward food experience and later on we'll We'll have a little bit of a share for those on a newsletter of what your car looks like at the moment. Oh hotness was at Calvin. Hey you know we had somebody who only had a beer ear and condiments inside their their refrigerator. I in the first season and he said he just never home me. Whatever he came home he had taken with them and so he needed condiments biggest complaint that we've been having like we we forget sauces. Am Village so we've been paying attention on that and it's also a testament to why it's important to have that stuff. What's going on here so for those that don't know. Why don't you give us a little bit of background? How you came into the city Detroit well I'm a transplant transplant but I'm a long-term transplant born in Cleveland lived on the East Coast New York Philadelphia Washington moved oof to Saint Croix as a young child. Three years. Old Grandmother went on vacation. Kinda liked it. We stayed so since then around Detroit Detroit Oak Park Southfield etc my time up in Michigan State so no I'm a detroiter but transplant a detroiter but with really really deep roots in my family is from Detroit and we came back here and it is at the heart of what ideal anyway I am her. Who are you working for on Sundays always the lions. Dan Was Kinda. 'cause you never know but. I'm a really big tigers fan and you know the worst record worth. I'm worth baseball. I know but I'm just hoping for Maguy 'cause we gotta gotTa leave him something a little bit better than this and like. I say yes because we actually share a birthday so that's kind of really important for him man for me because he's such a great hitter but always a cub yeah always a cub absolutely absolutely a Ud Jesuit alumni here if you are definitely reach out to us we we do special things for for cubs so. I want to talk to you a little bit about some of the things that like when your name comes to mind no. I know you were associated with a lot of different organizations from colors. ROTC ROTC Hen House operation able community youth connect even most recently wh when people think of you. What do you think has been the biggest biggest driver in. What's keeping you going here in Detroit food thing well. The thing that keeps me going is other people's success. We are a lot of times we're really rooted in our own success us but if we walk on our door and we don't see good around us what good is our success and so. I like to see other people. Come with me before me around me and and that's what makes dade really shy. 'cause I agree with that because if you if you're like if if one person succeeding and then like the world is going to hell you know what then exactly exactly so you're you're stressed out when you're outside of your space and if you stay in your space you're stressed out because you're in this space yeah my goodness. So what would you breakfast today. coffee okay back back with the champions. Sheffield was generous enough every Monday young village we do MM training with the kids training with the U chain with our staff we go over open book management talked about numbers and then we have guest speakers come and and talk to the staff. We want it to be an interesting experience. when when you look at the work environment you know it doesn't have to be an oppressive state date where you've got your thumb over over someone else so wish you dinner then tonight yeah. I don't know I had a bad louver experience or not Uber Door Dash or something I wanted some pizza and it just didn't happen this afternoon afternoon. It was a little tight but now I'm here in the shipping container. I'll get a chance to check my boy mice hardy and see what's going on on downstairs recoup so I'm assuming this woman do for dinner. Okay so ultimate x already you know holding down here at the Detroit. It should go if you can because this is something we do. Ask everyone on the show so we'll start with your choice. Can you give us your most excellent food experience or your most awkward food experience. No no names no names just to steal the experience food wise. I don't get out the places so it won't be anything anything salacious there. I love migrants was dealing with his noodles near my boy. Andy Selva Seldom Standard of love his were but I don't get a bunch of places and by most excellent food experiences probably and this is just my grandmother's fried potatoes. you know very simple. The the potato was my favorite thing and all forms and then my most Awkward Food Experience Lisa Cal hell good friend of Mine Gail echoes good friend. I I tried to noodle. Roni and the interpretation was horrible. It is the worst meal I ever made. Okay all right taking unaccountability. Faith is an absolute worse I is there was a box instructions and absolutely screwed it up. I don't know how I did it but it was the worst thing ever had. When I was thinking about sixteen or seventeen years old my parents had left us alone at the house and I decided that I was GonNa take this time to throwdown and the kitchen as I decided I was GonNa do lemon pepper wings and like a pancakes right and so these I didn't really know how to cook cooking you know so. I thought that all you had to do was just put the wing so I took the wings. I put a bunch of lemon juice. Assume they're a bunch of pepper. Put Spices. I happen to like the taste I just had him inside the skillet and just you know Oh. She's like moving them and tried to do the same thing with the pancake and so it wasn't working I just I was GONNA try bake. Bake it to get out of it in the oven. Check to bake. I figure it's still cake it should rise right and needless to say smoky kitchen. It was awful but it happens didn't give of APP well. That's what our or our world is. Experimentation are probably had more bad moments than just the noodle Roni but that's the only claim but reality is that if you're going to cook good food you've had to have some mm some some failures and that's our game we experiment we move forward by missing some things we miss the mark sometimes and would try to do things that don't work for everybody and we figure out where we go wrong ultimately. Yeah we want our food to taste good to everybody but it's not gonNA happen and if it did happen then I'm looking for a second coming. Take this so rare but run you know it happens in in in that's what builds us and we learn learn how to have mass appeal but the mass appeal necessarily actually spell success doesn't because it's our experiences. What success is you know. Our experiences cooks our experiences as eaters. The best chefs are the best eaters and and we are the ones who go out and try things a little bit different a little bit of a way and that we can actually formerly something new because our experiences or what form are cuisine our our life story is the lifeblood of our standards but when we stray out of that is when we actually become creative and I am one four who believes in an and cooking our families food. I don't like appropriation but I do like exploration and and we we have have to look at that and be true to that because inside the world of privilege. It's really eight easy to make money off of someone elses food food and I say this and I get in trouble for but cook your grandmother's food do that explore outside of that and don't exploit your privilege in a lot of chefs. We split our privilege. happens and this kind of sad and I understand that some someone else's food tastes great but explore the inside were your world and create a new realm but don't exploit other folks because you might have more opportunity than a street food vendor from somewhere across world and take some of that but don't live on that. Ah when you start to get into you know ethical sustainability of brand conscious intellectual property and how that sentiment into markets you know a lot of that opens up a bit of conversation for me. one wants dance. We'll take on that though is that I do agree that the food you're cooking should have some actual. Oh Tie to you like I think you know I cook a lot of the recipes that I grew up eating with my family and then I've also adjusted a lot of my recipes based off it just experiences and life and whatnot you know hence mafia French fries and things like that uh-huh you know I. I don't see myself doing Sushi just yet but I might try and Afrithi. She'll you know right after after after master who I got going on right right yeah so before we get into break I WANNA do a industry do's and dotes with yet but I wanna get a little little creative because the rare thing that a lot of folks don't realize about us in the kitchen is that we also get to be guest as well so it says we almost have like this like. Oh this I do and don't do from the kitchen side and then in the guests. I you know you ever hear that like etiquette things. You got to hear those I L. On high on the list explore both on the guest side viewing someone else's food is don't from Your Lens and if I with if I if I cook this I would have done this and this horrible because you didn't Cook it. Just enjoy it and expand your moment beyond your interpretation of the moment kind of try to live through what the the cook the chef is trying to do and then on the industry recited while this heard because there's so many adults we've here we we're industry industry where you can really screw the moment up and comforting but it is a big don't is don't don't beat yourself up for the failures in the moments where you're not quite right. You take those moments and you really. Kinda live inside of them. Figure you're out what it is that you did wrong because we we make mistakes and then adjust and then the biggest thing on top of all of Oh that is don't let it get you down because we all have our failures. We all have our moments when not quite a hundred percent right but that doesn't mean you're not meant for the kitchen when you're not meant for the kitchen means when you're not ready to keep going and that's the moment that's when you know you're not ready to cook back. I sell excuse me I was a me. Oh you don't it's. I don't think I could top well. It'd be applied to any career. Really you know what as A. I'm assuming because you're our engineer. You're not a professional cook. Maybe maybe not know but what is it that makes you the most afraid when you're cooking for other people not just for you but for other people was put it like well. I know what I like and I know that other people may not like what I like because I I don't eat a lot of meat or fish and you know I. I'll try to make things for friends or a boyfriend but like I don't know it's always a gamble. They're going to in your feelings might get hurt. Well you know what will what I would say to. You is don't be afraid and I put that to even the Professional Cook Cook Chef. we'll put that to the the amateur don't be afraid because sometimes in these moments you might find some great successes you might find something new because not even all of us professionals of the WanNa find the first step forward and so I would encourage you to be not afraid being unafraid do not try all right so we're going to take a quick break. When we come back. We're going to get hit those dues and then we'll go into a more on refrigerated diaries behind the food all right we are back on the refrigerator diaries behind the food with the illustrious Detroit. Phil Jones your host here Godwin Rodwin with Yum village. We've got Allen who's going to be letting US know her as well so let's get back into we're talking about some do's and don'ts in the restaurant industry both from the kitchen side and the guest side We had a couple of donuts. What are some due ellen or me. Oh I got to brainstorm ideas. I don't work in the kitchen. Yeah I would this be coming from a a customer's perspective. Do do be nice to your waitstaff. You think you would have to say that but oh my Lord come with well. I literally have fifty years in the industry and I've seen the horrible horrible customers. There's and there's not an understanding in a an empathy for servers and people who work in kitchens and we understand that your day is your day but don't let your day affect everyone else's day and make the experience lot less. They can be not only for the server but yourself slick go. He might God your day was was horrible. Stop It. Please don't take it out on someone else. Harvey Yeah exactly because you know you've got people who are trying to make a living Vena just trying to be there in service you in by Lord. Don't be a thorn in in on the plant on the roles here. No I agree agree. I agree. I also think that we should be mindful like definitely be mindful. Do be mindful. You know and we're GONNA this is GonNa segue a little bit a little preview until we're going into next but you know Amazon and Grub hub an I an uber AIDS have made it unrealistic for us to sustainably operate as small business owners. You know delivery is not two dollars or free. It's not simply isn't it's only that way because these companies have put billions of dollars into a loss market which which means that in order to create revenue with in the industry. They're willing to take a loss until eventually I lost. No longer loss anymore to my understanding is still operating loss but the ones who suffer are us because you you guys get all those fees. We like nine ten dollars for food and then we we got like a dollar fees on there and things like that so definitely no that's. That's not as you want to support small business than do that. Come come by you know and you want delivery. Just know that you're you're supporting a small business who is giving thirty percent of that growth. You know not net to Grub in order to get that delivery to you. Yeah very coincidentally. I had a delivery experienced. Today ordered a pizza from one of my favorite places and the order. What's your favorite pizza. Place is one of my favorite on on in the Pantheon of great pizza. Say Subpoenas Logger Davis doing their love hands down this neighbor exactly coming in the mid town but I order from buddies today this like one of my standards for Detroit Pizza but circled on the system made it bad by pizza got delivered to somebody else. Oh no and then the re delivery was two hours and so these great big delivery systems are great in their convenient but when they don't work they don't were horribly and then they don't reflect well on the business in the local business who has done a great job to do their thing and the system isn't reflective of community. You know we need to make sure that local food is the is the key to stuff. Come comedown out of your other your permanent of walked down the street from Your House. We are so so far apart from one another and it really doesn't does it reflect well in our food in an assistance of conveying good food and convey good neighbors and all these kinds of things in would this. We're so disjointed now. So that's the best in issue. I remember growing up in eating family dinner. and one of the the th the most prominent memories about that is that we got to that was the time where you know what was going on in people's lives to learn during something new about someone because here. Silicon Day it's a shame that when something like community that that food represents getting taken away by the convenience of delivery models Amazon I. I'm going to start saying it's Amazon. Every time you know for all things so segue into our next topic here is it's just that some of the topics we're talking about you can find hanging out in the D- to the local news publication circulates irregularly print and online so we'll read this the impact of technology and and the GIG economy on small business owners. Oh my God I am so torn with Gig because in actuality as a caterer an event person person I I actually a gig person but some largest scale but it is so damaging on the on a small scale because we don't create relationships inside of our work space and we don't create actual financial continuity and what happens with the GIG is that we we deflate unions we defeat we deflate the cohesiveness of eighteen and and it actually plays into our separation you know I look at our funds and Internet and all these things make make for isolated people and Gay Economy isolates economics and then when we are economically separated. We don't have power hour and that is something that we need to keep in mind. Yes gives us freedom. But how free are we if we don't have someone someone has her back and we're looking at right now the U. A. W. Striking GM and that couldn't happen and he though some folks don't don't like the unions because of corruption etc etc but we have a five day workweek because of that we have safe working conditions because of that and so when we look to to disrupt that system we have to look at the fallout and fallout is we don't have the power of numbers because we're isolated. We're fighting fights on our own and that really does not make for a great workforce and best that we have to take into consideration. You know absolutely right. couple things happened over the past last week number one may have mentioned this previously but COSCO now uses a self service kiosk in that concessions right and and you've definitely pays so you gotta pay a membership to shop at Costco and even a company with that business model in place is employing employing self-service in automation but additionally I came across an APP called snap shift. Uh and you know it's I I feel will be many until one becomes the master Ace that but tax and the Uber of service right and the way it works. Is You know I post my shift a range of what I'm willing to pay and then the person comes up with whatever their rating is and then I booked person and then they show up and do the shift where there's Saute or dishwasher or however and you know as I sit around and talk to some folks we got the people who care about their their their people but you've also got the ones who objectively speak about the numbers you know he's the payroll tax is now cut your workmen's. COMP is cut your your overall labor if if if it can remain consistent to now is cut let these these costs now are starting to get removed and he no longer have to really kind of takes you away from the the mind frame of even thinking of a team you know the the. GIG economy is almost like it's forcing forcing this way of life into everything even with cars uber drivers there is something to be said for professional solent development and professional development doesn't happen if you're all over the place so you might have a range of experiences it might make you exciting and titillating but this is something to be said about the team and consistency. I like going to my favorite restaurant and see my favorite server and look back and see who's back there because they give me a sense of comfort. You know even look at the Seinfeld. The episode where George gets the soup and he's got the rubber band in the soup. I Dunno Jose see the background and he's back there cooking great. You know there's there's a sense of comfort there but if we are so replaceable what is our valuable right you know we were only worth X. Amount of dollars at a certain time of day in so that devalues all of my life experiences and and who am I and when am I all all about that stuff matters whether or not I care about the person who works next to me doesn't matter anymore and so our food our creativity ativity as a chef it because robotic and that that sense of not being anything special not being important important to a team not being important to assist the most stuff an- just were plugging replace in that really defeats the purpose of of someone like like I create for team create four people and there's a certain uh-huh Dory them trying to tell. I can't tell this tour. If we keep replacing the brush you know the colors. Palette changes every day and you can't be who you were yesterday. If all the pieces get replaced in a replaceable and easily plugged in played and is it's disturbing now but let's talk about the the the finances of all the business of it all a dozen Zain give stability to people and places and we can't build and grow and gives the power to everybody else you know inside of food. I find power. I'm a solo person in life as far as the way I feel shy introverted person and my expression is in food but if you keep changing the colors that putting out there is not my food anymore and so it's it's all these things are really is disturbing because people places and things don't matter anymore. War is just what we can put it in there to achieve an end and it's convenient but we need to be more inconvenient. We you need to be more than just pieces in the game. We need to actually be a part of the game and we need to have some continuity and we need to have awesome. Equity and equity is where you don't what is what you don't get when you just a piece in the puzzle can be plugged in changes. You you know we we have puzzles and only one piece. It's in but we're talking about everybody looking like that piece and that's really disturbing. Indeed indeed indeed indeed so one we're almost own time but I wanNA kind of go into a couple of things with you before we so we know what your refrigerator looks like How do you go grocery shopping. most of my a grocery shopping is leftovers as stuff from from things his My life is so fanatic that it's it's a constant motion so I I make up stuff and eat leftovers lot a they did this initiative with a friend of Mine Danielle Todd Call Make food waste and I'm not the best emissary of that concept because I I run into a lot of food and my life is so hectic but it actually formulates a lot of what I actually eat for me sustenance so I just making stuff because what what do I have left over. You know I got a little bit of this has some stuff abroad from an event and so I have a lot of weird creations so that's what groceries looked like to me. It's it's it's. It's what I've got from what I wore when I'm doing It's so rare that I go grocery shopping and take a list yeah because if I did that I would have way too much food way way too much food copy that and also l. so we got the Pistons official practices October Seventh had the opportunity to take a picture with Sekou. I'm so excited that Pistons they're going to make the playoffs. I pass around to this year. I'm calling but I say that with the Pistons Practice Facility opening or also mark the second phase of the three-phase plum market strategy to implement downtown Detroit and their goal was to place three of the plum market urban models into the Detroit area and from what I understand the the one that was built downtown was significantly different from the one that it's built inside the Piston Stadium but because of how successful that model has proven and construction and build out was changed to match what was put inside the the downtown location here. we buy food. We've been buying food in a I'm just amazed at operations organization like this and previously asleep before a whole foods became as on realize as plumps market is doing now people in Detroit by food. You know we had over two hundred million dollars of leakage per year in food purchased by detroiters outside of Detroit and Lo and behold Subba said you know if we made this a little bit more accessible. We might get those dollars and it's it's a glorious day that people have understood recognize it in reacted but it's sad that it took so long you know I've Vinnie eating a big boy. I've been eating and is is is just amazing that no one wanted to sell me food. I think my dollar spend in just as anybody else's dollars do big facts of the facts. I'm thankful that that drive to get something from a grocery store out side of Honeybee and the regular here and Detroit is as far thank you so much for coming on the show here was a pleasure to have you like you yeah absolutely and when we see you next time on refrigerator diaries behind the food will be talking about our next topic here and hanging out with a D. and can't wait to talk with you guys soon.
201: Blitz by C.J. Silver
"I'm Tanya Thomson, writer and creator of Nightline a horror podcast, featuring creepy tales from black riders across the diaspora season. Two is finally begun. And we are thrilled to kick it off with a tragic in touching story from CJ silver. But I, I'd like to thank our newest patrons India, and the Lissa from ramp, your voice because of you and the other members of the night, light, legion, this podcast lives on Nightline is completely funded by our members. So if you enjoy our stories or want to help pay black writers, you can join the night, light legion for as little as one dollar a month. We've reached our goal of funding one episode per month, but we'd love to be able to bring you new episodes every week. If you want fresh horror in your ears, every week, join us, so that we can bring black hor out of the shadows. Go to patriotic dot com slash nightlife pod to. Join now and then share on social media at the end of the month. One member of the night light, legion will get some swag for helping us spread the word. And now here's blitz by CJ silver. Victoria crows funeral must have been beautiful Morgan was there, but he didn't remember much about it. He couldn't remember anything other than witnessing the horror of that, ugly, pine vox lowering the love of his life into that dark inescapable bit. He didn't attend the reception at her parents manner. Instead he retreated to the mud-splattered bungalow where he'd grown up the Spurs from the wild grass caught his socks as he pushed past the chain link fence and up the crack ridi walkway this smell of boiling fat stem college greeted him before he even reached the door. Littlemore. Esa was mess in over a plate of Brunswick stew, when he arrived his weight pressed into the week floorboards announcing his arrival, his daughter, paused. Then possibly detecting, the smell of his Cologne called out. Daddy, her. Sweet baby tooth grin was framed by her mother's high cheekbones her dark complexion, mirrored his and complimented her, cool silvery. Is he buried his pain into a gentle, kiss upon her forehead after only a few hours with grandma, most smelled of ultra sheen and corn huskers lotion, you back already his mother asked, he didn't respond? She continued as if he had won't you. We something bisque just came up. She fixed him a plate of Brunswick stew. He caught a glimpse of himself in the living room mirror about this suit for her. He said he held up a wings of the blazer. She wanted me to bring her to the city. She just wanted to go dancing. I would never take her out, then when she got sick, I bought the suit, I promised her. She got better take her dancing every weekend. His voice trail. Momma, sat the stew and biscuits on the coffee table in front of him. Well, she's in the city, now, she said, he took off the blazer, then slumped into the old sofa Marissa moved. Like a dull through the unfamiliar house, her outstretched fingers detecting. The chair grandma had moved the threshold between the kitchen and the den and finally the self-aware daddy said staring at his shoes. She took one of his fingers into the palm of her tiny hand. He swept the little girl up into his arms and held her in a loving, embrace of frayed. The winds of hell would take her away to she held his neck in hummed into his ears. I'm here Danny. After a while grandma interrupted the silence. Come on mo- let you daddy breathe. The old woman reached out her hand grandma bodice a new puzzle, workaho, mo-, made her way around the table, grandma's smiled. As more reached her knees, you are strong little girl, h you, she held the girl away from her, so that she could behold, her in earnest grandma sees it. You got that old. Bloody. Sure, do mo- lingered on unsteady feet holding onto her grandmother. All it takes his willpower. Sweet girl. You just have no what you want and one it more than anything else in, you can make things Mon. Nodded obediently. Okay. Mo- Morgan stood up. He lifted Morris out of her grandmother's grasp and held it to his hip. I think it's time for us to go Darlan. Hold on. Grandma said, I have present for you before you leave me the old woman. Shuffled down the hall. No Ma we haven't got time for any of your bone. Or stones or whatever, he put mowed down and began to grab up, anything, that looked pink or pastel stuffing it all into her clear plastic carry bag. Where's your shoes, girl hurry up? Morrissett didn't budge she waited to find out what the gift was Ma Morgan called don't bother keep that rule to yourself. Grandma returned holding a bundle of dark grey lumps in her outstretched arms to Morgan. It looked like a sack of dirt. Oh here you are. Darlan isn't he precious Morris reached out to examine her gift? It was saw fuzzy and worn it reacted to her touch moving away at first, then leading into her fingers something cold tickled, or cheap than a warm slug wrapped in unwrapped itself around her fingers, leaving them, covered in slime finally, she felt the hard sharp bits beneath all the warm slime. What is it? She gasped. Delighted. She couldn't see it's horrible. Little bit knowns or bulging eyes or crooked, jaw as far as she could tell it was a living teddy bear with teeth. It's a puppy Darlan grim explained she lowered the fat little body to the floor a sweet little puppy dog just fee. You mo- lift the thing into our arms, it squirmed than liquor faces though, she were made of candy. She screamed with joy, overcome by instinctual maternal devotion Morgan's mother clapped her hands together amused with herself. No, my said Morgan, the girl doesn't need a dog a train CNI dog maybe but not this ugly. Little mutt Morgan, notice that one of the puppies, flappy, little ears had been pierced a gold, strutted earing much like the ones mo- war glistened at the corner of one black. Triangular lobe. What did you tell them to Morgan demanded? Oh hush. Of course, she needs puppy, his mother countered. You'll baby is grieving to. She just lost her mother, this will give her something to love. No. Do you hear me Morgan says he swung the little girls bag onto his shoulders mode turned toward her father? Please danny. She sang her silvery blue eyes shimmered in the light her missing front tooth only added to her charm, and she smiled up at him. Take care of Morgan turned away from his mother's Volpin grin, the screen door slapped against its wooden frame behind him as he retreated from the woman, he loved mode. Not follow him right away. She lingered with grandma for another full minute. A minute Morgan can never get back. But would regret for the rest of his life? In one, Peter for late summer morning to discover that his rooster and three young hens ripped apart. Their innards were splashed across the coop. Like crushed fruit tan and spotted feathers fluttered about the carnage as he paced the scene of the crime always been a light sleeper growl of deep bore squire that surrounded the circling crow stables was a kind of lullaby him, but the snap of a twig or rumble of an engine even the Russell unannounced guests in the yard would have him dressed in on his feet with a rifle in hand without a moment's hesitating. So couldn't figure out how he slipped through such a calamity in his chicken yard blitz sat on the other side of the screen door watching Morgan from a safe distance stupid mutt. Morgan shouted auto plant a bullet in your fucking head for this. It wasn't him most shouted she was. Ending beside her dog her new book teeth flash like an angry squirrel. Even when she pouted she looked like her mother. She held the brutes head to her chest, protectively as though she knew Morgan was pointing his rifle at it, it was the monster daddy, she shouted. I told you there was a monster Nan'ao Morgan gestured at the gore, all around him as, though, the girl could see any of it a no monsters. But the one you hold he shouted back. You let that damn dog out by himself. Again out pop one good. It wasn't him. Daddy most. Shout it blitz. Is it? Good. Boy. He's my friend, you need real friends. Mo not no dog to choose up chickens. All he could do was walk about with his hands on his hips. All this meat is wasted. Now, this is money, mole Morgan kicked a pile of straw, with Centene nother dead bird flying through the air. It might have been funny, if he hadn't been so mad you need human friends your own age. Morgan hurt. His baby girl sniffle his anger dissolved in an instant he was beyond the chicken wire fence and across the yard. He took her into his arms with dirty fingers. He tried to straighten her hair. Curling net sat on top of her head. Like a crown Morgan had no idea, how to tend to a little girl's hair he'd been keeping it cut short like a boy. But somewhere along the way he'd lost track of it, now, it was a tangle of this black moss across her rich dark brow. How would you like to go stay with urea Janice in city Morgan suggested you're old enough to start school? Think most frown deepen and she began to sob in earnest. You don't want me anymore. She gasped into shoulder. He hugged her so hard. She nearly stopped breathing. I'll try harder to make friends daddy honest. He held her couldn't speak against the strain in his own throat Morgan, drop the topic of the city school in Janice. But the idea's stayed with a young blind girl had no business stumbling about the stables with a Beasley pet like blitz he was about as big as she was. Now he was always knocking her over dragging her on his leash Morgan had instructed motor to keep her dog inside. But he couldn't blame her for one to go outside and explore the yard, she was still a child, and she spent long hours of the day alone in the house unsupervised. It was no wonder she was starting to believe there were monsters everywhere he considered this problem as he left daughter, tucked away in the house for the day. There were a thousand things on his mind. Besides Mohan her ugly. Dow, he had horse. To feed and stalls to muck. He had colts to tend to in buyers to contact lastly yet Clara. Clara Belle Lee had been shy Philly and was now a very timid Palomino maiden. Broodmare Morgan spoke to her as he cleaned her up for the big day. It'll be a quick little pony show Darlan. He may help in puff a lot, but Thors on just be call Clara Belle Lee in order blonde. Head to nibble a tough to stroke, Thors hammer was known to be a specially aggressive with handlers on a good day, hopped up on hormones and with the smell of female in the air, he wasn't going to be easy to handle Morgan lamented, not hiring some extra hands for this particular Meinie. He only hope that he was right about four and that the stud would exhaust himself pretty quickly. He tied off Clara bills tail and checked her entry point once more for anything that might get in the way 'cause infection. All right. Miss Lee is Showtime. He tied. Claire bells reins to the restraint post near the back of the ball. Then went off calmly to procure her cover door. Hammer was running across the field head of him. His beautiful Honey gold. Coke glistened in a life thunder of his heavy who's giving credence to his name, it gotten away from his strength and was charging to the study hard like his rump was on fire behind him. A huge piece of adult gave chase trying to chop Moore's long golden tail blitz. Leapt the puppies, delight after the friend horse taking him to run faster Morgan barely had time to think he read waving his head to attribute engine of at least one of the animals. This day one wick kick of his power behind quarters. Blitz flew backwards. The ground hard with the flat dud Morgan, reach the fence Justice Thor brought his heavy front hooves down on the dog's body. It took more gonna full hour to get door put away. Finally. He went to deal with blitz. The dog lay still in the center of the study. Are he was breathing, but there was no way he would survive the night, his body had been crushed? His jaw was broken. He looked up at Morgan. With frightened puppy is the rancher drew his rifle with it took the pain. Morgan, follow the sound of his daughter's crying all the way back home. The sun had set hours ago. He was late coming back late with dinner than to tied to care most the door calling. It's. Come home. Here. Boy, she stopped at sound of the gate, opening Morgan saw the hope in her face as she detected him with some sense. He could not fathom. Daddy, she cried. Have you seen blitz? I thought I told you to keep him inside Morgan snapped. I did daddy, he was chasing the monster was trying to come into the house. Blitz chased it away. No Morgan snapped. No, I told you to keep that dog in the house monsters. Get him to head. He mows voice crackled like paper, her eyes glistened with tears is okay. She held her own shirt at the chest, the empty space where blitzes head should have been resting. Oh, Launay Morgan dropped to his knees completely dissolved. Don't do that mo- big girls. Don't cry over domas dogs. Let's make some supper daddy. What are you smell, like dirt mo- touched his face? Have you been digging? Yes. We'd off. He couldn't deny that, but he wouldn't go into details. Not today. Anyway. In the night. Eight more hens were slaughtered. Morgan stood studying the carnage in the otherwise serene glow of the rising sun. Don't blame blitz daddy MO said she was leaning against the fence. She must have smelt the blood. She could read the tension in her father silent anger. The monster is still in the hen house Morgan looked around him. He actually checked inside the hen house. If there was such a monster. I be looking at it right now Morgan reason you don't believe me, most shouted, you're never here. So you know it's always comes on your round. She ran out of the house and slam screen doors hard, as she could he found mo- at the kitchen table. She barely acknowledged him as he drew out a chair sat across from her. What makes you think there's a monster in all hen house? He asked her. She didn't answer. When did all the star he pressed? She only about her head against the silence. He leaned in closing the gap between them he softened his voice, and asked again, tell me about the monster mow them as Ling kids sent it. She said through a paper thin whisper. They said they sent a month to attack me, a mud dog. Why would they save a possible reason? Could they have Morgan strain to keep his voice, calm, 'cause I hurt one of them with Iraq, mo- said her cheeks dimpled suppressing a proud smile? You did what the ease Lynn kids were group of stray little white boys that trooped around the countryside. Unsupervised they varied in age from eight to sixteen Morgan didn't even know how many of them, there were mos- only six he thought he'd have a few more years to explain race in boys, Dr at did it because they hurt blitz she said, up gaining volume and self defense. They come round when you go out to work with them, horses, or go to market. It called me names. They pushed me down. They threw things puts Morgan stared at his daughter. She listed these offenses. This was the first he'd heard of such a thing who pushed you down. He have stood hovering over his chair knees bent, but body taught ready to fight a strange child them kids, from the Easley property. She squealed indignantly you told me to make friends daddy, I heard them playing in the woods and I asked him to be my friends, but they is me they asked me to play hide and seek, then they hit all over our yard and call me names. It called me back face. A said ours is ugly as my dog. They said, I was so ugly that moment died when she first laid eyes on me, most stated these atrocities with an indignant calm, a smoldering anger whose fire had cooled, but would never go out completely Morgan absorb the brute force of every word like the blow of her tiny fists directly into his heart, she'd handled all of the songs, -iety in hurt all on her own, she'd fought this wild battle while he was out in the fields worried over horses. Now she flooded him with her account of the events. It seemed to calm her as it. Enbridge him. How long has she been cradling these secrets, Morgan rarely saw the kids from Eastland, he usually dealt with the eastern men? They were sharecroppers at raise goats on their out of fields. The men kept themselves, mostly, he didn't have a problem with the Easley people, and he didn't wanna start none. He might need their help next time thorn Clara Belle met up. But at this moment, he wanted to set their children on fire. He closed his eyes and pray to his wife guidance. She'd been the diplomat non him. So I told him get off my property mo- continue Morgan, said back down. That's when they started to throw things hit blitz. So I started to throw things right back mode demonstrated with a gesture of her thrown on a hit one of 'em to held like a baby. Morgan was sure his jaw would never close again. He would die from the shock of what he was hearing and flaws would make nests in his molars after that the monster moved into the hen house Mohan on a here at out there at night. Sometimes, sometimes it goes to my window and wakes up blitz how long had she been enduring this bullying, and in her own front yard, no less a McCall, your Janssen, the city tomorrow, Morgan decided out loud. It's high time we got you off this farm and into. Kool, Moe pouted again, but daddy, I handled them Morgan, stood and started to prepare breakfast. He founded easier to ignore mos- miserable whimpers over the gurgle of boiling grits, and the sizzle of sausages. What about blitz mo- ask does Morgan slid a plate in front of her? Morgan, didn't answer. He just crammed the still steaming food into his Mel mo- lingered letting the steam wash over her face. Finally, he said, if he ever comes back blitz will stay here. Bad dogs kill chickens. Don't belong in city. No daddy blitz. His good dog. When I screamed at them easily kids, he chased him clean off our property. This news did not help her case, he understood from the sudden sinking of her face that she had meant to reveal this information. So that's when you lost him. Then Morgan pressed. He ran off chasing those why kids and that's how you lost him. You realize what they do to dogs to chase people and. If he bites one of them, you know, they have legal right to shoot him Maresca, did not know how could she the shock of her father's harsh words hitter, as though he'd slapped her in the face? She dropped her four conflict away from the table overtaken completely by misery nothing. He could do would quell her tears now Morgan caught up to her in her bedroom. She laid down in the dirty Muskie pile of blankets and pillows that had been blitzes bed. Morgan picked her up in held to him. It. Okay. She whimpered when she could speak again. Grandma made him special for me. He won't leave me. Daddy, he can't. Little voice was soft. But so confident grandma said he's my protector Morgan lowered his daughter to the floor. She clasped her hands at her chest, where her puppy, once rested, his head, you know, I try hard not to talk bad about my mother and her religion. But I can have you spout, and that stuff to wherever that dog is, it's probably in a better place for we'll see to get you a better train dog first thing I don't want about a train dog most snapped back. I want blitz. She'd never raised her voice to him like this before her anger was silver, and shar Morgan, took a step back staring at a face. He didn't recognize without the guidance of her mother. What has she become? Morgan spent the day tending to the chickens he buried the remains of the birds to avoid attracting predators as he worked. He plotted out what he should do about his daughter, he'd start by taking Moen's town with him, more often to get a socialized to people other than himself tomorrow. He would take her to the market sell off the remaining eggs, vise them reinforcements for the chicken yard, as he smoothed earth. Over the plot with his shovel, it's thought stripped back to the Eastland kids, he'd spent the day at the house, but he hadn't seen a trace of them. It was high time he went down to the Easley property to have a talk buddies, Lynn and his brother's. Not a good idea to bring up parenting right away. Probably he talked about the horses. Maybe even hire some help with oh and Clara Belle once that was out of the way. Then they talk about kids, if the Eastland children were big enough Morgan would ask buddy, which schools they attended that was the ticket a school nearby would keep mo- at the stables and help her make some. Friends. Good human friends, her own age. And maybe you wouldn't have to bring up bullying at all. It was a good solid plan. Morgan fish, the last bottle of beer from his cooler and toasted to himself for being a calm rational. That night Morgan woke with a for he knew why moonlight through the bedroom window cast, his comfortable clutter and a cool blue light as a habit. He reached a hand out to touch his victorious shoulder only to find her spot on the bed still cold and empty a screen Pierce, the con of his bedroom. This wasn't an impassioned alarm or a call for help, this was the scream of agony of someone experiencing an orgasm of immense pain. It rang out long and horrified through his open window from the direction of his Beck yard, it must have been coming from the hen house. He hopped one legged into the hallway struggling to get the second leg into his pants while holding his rifle stay inside mo- he shouted towards his daughter's room. He charged to the kitchen and out the back door. He had lifted blitz to come galloping around the corner and trip him up in hot pursuit of fun. The remaining hence scampered across the yard inch of ball. Feathered. Gale Morgan ready. Rifles approached the crumpled fence he to get the flashlight working the hen house was empty. The hey from the Koop had exploded out both entrances. None of the bird seemed injured, but there was blood on some of the fresh Stroh a closer look at the disarray in the dirt revealed, prince too heavy for him a trail of straw, blood and disturbed lead across his yard towards the supply. Shed Morgan pause staring at the dark mouth of the yawning old. Born the crumbling gray structure was as old as the house possibly older. When Morgan was a boy at housed, his father's old Ford, now it's stored out of data quit for parts. The roof was caving in its paint had long faded. It was a ghost of shed there was nothing in their value. Whatever it happened. It was too late to stop it. Now. Everything was quiet and still surely, whatever discovery lay in the darkness beyond the door could wait until the light of day, put the culprit might still be around whoever. Whatever was disturbing. The chickens might be hiding at this moment in the old shit. He might not get another chance to see it. Blitz lay buried out at the edge of circling crow property. If it wasn't most pit killing the birds. Then their head be FOX God help him, some other kind of wild animal getting in at his chickens whatever was had been hurt, was hiding on his leg and injured. Scared wild animals, possibly lurking in his supply, shed would his little blind auto was sure to try and pet, it Morgan ready. Does rifle in March toward the gaping, moths shed its darkness was scarier than the night for it, lacked stars or any clueless? What lay within it the flashlight loss, sits power. It's beam abandoned him the moonlight the old barn looked, somehow bigger more precedent. It's eerie celestial glow. The doors stayed wide open day and night Morgan figured that closed door invited leaves, but open doors revealed his junk wasn't worth stealing. He never considered creatures just taken up residence. Among the clutter at the door. Morgan pause to slap, the flashlight beckoned to action, the weak beam cut through the gloom to fall on a small wet mess in the center of the floor. It was a hand a human hand. It was a small white human hand. That was connected to a small white human body. His mind took its time, spelling out the scene. There is a little white boy, dead in my shit. Morgan was not prepared for the quaking in his soul. He rushed to the boy laying there praying to any God, that would listen for that to be something left to save hoping there was something he could do to put the child back together. The boys throat was a crimson gash has life force was pouring out all over the fermentation straw. His eyes were black stones and bone white phase that had been slashed to a red running sore for moment. Morgan was a madman. He thought of burning the straw, bearing the body if out of leaving the state for few months, just taking his daughter and running for the hills. But there were still three brewed bears out in the fields waiting for Thor and one that was pregnant after months of preparation. She was a high risk and couldn't be moved. He couldn't just up and leave besides he'd lose all presumption of innocence, if he ran he'd be a hunted man with a blind six year old until no doubt, they'd find him eventually and then he'd have no defense at all. He closed his eyes against galloping terror. He breathe deep waiting for his thoughts to call him. He get on the horn, and call the cops it call his buddy, Ted he was one of the good ones, surely, the cops would recognize this has been done by some animal wouldn't the hell were you doing in my barn? Anyway. Morgan shouted at the corpse, he took a deep breath. And finally noticed what the boy was wearing he'd fashioned goat's horns into a crown on his head. He had a cloak made of goat hide tied with a leather strap around his using neck at his side, was a long, rusty huntsman's knife. The knife still had a few tan and speckled feathers around the handle. What the hell were you doing? Boy, Morgan whispered, something brushed his arm. He dropped the flashlight ready to gun. Daddy. Moves voice into horrible shiver across Morgan's entire body moat. He shouted turning around at bought I told you to stay. She wasn't there upon striking the earth, the flashlight had come back on shooting, a beam of light of the ground deeper inside of the barn. A little body was curled against one of the support beams as though hiding in plain sight, her gray cut nightgown at her dark, Brown skin made her difficult to detect the light caught the silvery glint of her earrings as she stood. I'm sorry. Daddy mo- said to the rafters, but look, even before Morgan picked up the flesh that he could see his daughters joyous. Smile tatty, look, the monsters, dead mo- said, happily motioning to the vague spot with a little boy, lay bleeding out MO a thought. I said, Morgan's voice trailed off. It was obvious though MO had gotten here before him. She'd been here the whole time, but it's came back. Daddy. Mo- cried with excitement. He came back, and he killed the monster at a distance Morgan searched his daughter's body. She was clean just a little bit of grime on her feet. The light danced, all around her behind her above her old rusty saws and sickles hung on the wall decorated in dust, and cobwebs an antique real more lay on the ground still covered in rotting. Hey shovels, pickaxes and rakes dangled on hooks around her and above her all of them were grimy into heavy for her to wield the knee noticed her posture. She was bending, slightly tilting as though something was pulling against her her, right? Hand was balled into a fist is the holding onto something fingers of her left hand ran along the darkness beside her petting the air. He's a good dog is any she leaned in reached out with both hands to caress the air as if to bring a large British head to her chest in protective hug Morgan grabbed his girl in young her away. He pulled her away from the dead body away from the odds space. She was cradling away from the shed in the chickens in the blood. He was have dragging her back towards the light of their home. She gasped shock and possibly pain. Daddy, what's wrong? I thought I told you to stay inside he roared, if Morris answered him Morgan. Never heard it. Her response was muffled the sound of a low animal baritone, the same as the one. He'd heard three days prior out at the stables he became suddenly very aware that he dropped his gun somewhere and was using his gun hand to hold onto mo- Morgan aimed, his flashlight back towards the supply shed the light went out. He didn't need it to see followed a shadow darker than the ebony around the merged through the threshold at the shed it was bent into a vague dog, like shape molded by dim glow moonlight, which outlined define the details of its beecher's Morgan, recognize the shape of its skull, the bend of its muzzle even the curl. Of its tail as it's bulky form moved. The swiftness of wind across the dusty pan Morgan could even make out a single pinprick of light, balancing, one of black floppy iridescent ear where silver studier wants the dog lowered has massive head bearing his black team edged moonlight blitz be nice Morris. Commend the beast fading. The moonlight drifted back to the spots that made sense and shadows were solid no longer Morgan, stared at his child. He hadn't had the heart. Tell her dog was dead now seems he didn't have to. 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America: Land of the Weak, Home of the Afraid? | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES
"You're a man of action you live life to the fullest compress your fears and boldly charge your own path when life knocks you down. You get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred rugged zillion strong. This is your life this we are. This is who you will become at the end of the day and after all is said and done you can call yourself a man gentlemen. What is going on today? My name is Brian Nikola I am host and the founder of this podcast and the Order Man Movement WanNa welcome welcome you to the Premier Portal for all things masking. I don't care whether you're trying to improve your relationship trying to improve your physical fitness advancing your career be a better father husband. Business owner community leader. Whatever whatever your thing is and whatever you're all about I'm glad you're here. We're giving you the conversations and tools and resources that you need to become more capable as a man. I got to admit and give you a little bit of a fair warning here on this one that it's going to be a bit of a rant today normally. I'm very collected in my thoughts. I've got some some notes. I've got a framework Some steps that I would encourage you to consider on your improvement in your erode to becoming like I said more capable but today I want a rant I wanna go off on on a little bit of a tangent because I think it's very very important that we address some things in our society in our culture. The things that we're dealing with right now as a direct fallout of Corona virus and I titled This One America Land of the week and home of the afraid. Now you'll notice. I also put a question mark in there and I put a question mark on the end because I actually want to hear from you. I want to hear if you think this is the case as well now. I don't think it has to be I. Think that the The week and the afraid represent the slim minority of individuals in this country. Have allowed this. Cova nineteen catastrophe in. It's a catastrophe for a different reason than I think. A lot of people believe. But they've allowed this catastrophe to completely dictate every facet of their life and in the process have relinquished significantly. Too much control to those who would like to keep us in the dark. Keep us in confusion. Keep US bickering with each other and against each other because when when people are confused and frustrated and scared we make irrational decisions and when rational decisions are made. The results are typically. We'll call them less than favourable and when you have less than favourable results. It's very easy to open yourself up to the opportunity or the idea that maybe somebody out there. Or in this case some organization like these governing bodies that would govern us for them to step in and rescue us as if they have all the answers if they have all the solutions than if we put all of our trust and faith in these individuals that all of our problems will be solved now. This is very interesting because I think to a large degree. The problems the government is attempting to solve have been created by. You guessed it the government so talk about the Fox guarding the Hen House. This is exactly what is happening. Now let me be very clear on this. I believe that corona virus is is a real thing. I believe that we ought to be aware of it. I think we're beginning to see that. It is not as deadly as we were once led to believe and and I'm even willing to admit that maybe it wasn't Some sort of devious plan necessarily but that it was an opportunity that wants these governing agencies and would be emperors and rulers that our our elected officials began began to see the opportunities that they had started to seize upon those opportunities so not that it was some grand design plan but that it was just an opportunistic moment. What is the saying? Never let a good opportunity or excuse me a good crisis go to waste. And I think that's what we're beginning to see right now so I would ask you. Is this still America? The land of the free and the home of the brave or is it become America. The land of the week and the home of the afraid guys. We've got to be very very careful in the that's being set in this country right now. The precedent that some governing agency or body knows more than us. I mean look at what's happening. I've got a police officer. Who's coming on the show who was fired from the police force because he was in his first amendment rights. He shared a video that he was not going to enforce these unconstitutional orders. He talked a lot about how Within the chain of command that there's no right or precedent for anybody within the chain of command to do something other than what the constitution dictates can be done he was. I don't know if it was politely. Asked but he was asked to remove the video to take it down from social media which had been viewed millions and millions of times and he said no and he was fired he was fired from police force and I got to admit I don't know the entire story that's why I want to on the podcast but I got. I got to admit if you are in law enforcement and your upholding an executing some of these orders. That you know are unconstitutional. Will Shame on you. Shame on you for doing that and I realized that you've got job to do. I realized that you've got a family to feed and take care of but you better start questioning whether what you're doing. Is the right thing to be doing because this. This precedent is very very dangerous. Another great example. Is this woman who decided that she was going to Open her salon and a judge suggested to her that she couldn't open her Salon. And if she didn't apologize and bow down to this judge by acknowledging her indiscretion that she would be fined thousands of dollars in thrown in jail and she said. I'm not shutting the doors keeping these things open and sure enough. She was fined and thrown into jail. I think One of their Politicians in Texas did end up paying her fines and volunteered to serve and carry out her sentence but she was released earlier Then then the demanded but you have. People who are are being fined in arrested for walking on the beach by themselves or at least social distancing from other individuals. They're out camping. We're talking about tracking individuals and contract be contact tracing. This is absolutely ridiculous and I think it's very important that we stop what's happening right now because if we don't this crisis that we're dealing with is only going to get worse. And it's only going to expand the powers and the perceived authority of those who would govern us. So here's what I would suggest. I think we need to be aware. I think we can be respectful. I think the overwhelming majority of us can be responsible. But what I would say is that you have an obligation to live your life the way that you best see fit which means that if you feel like you want to open your business doors than you should you should open your doors over Ryan. We don't have permission. The orders haven't been lifted and I see all these comments going around on social media saying. Hey when will the government let us do X Y and Z? They don't have that authority. They don't have that right. And if you're waiting for the government to take down those orders the stay at home in the sheltering and the social distancing well. You might be waiting a very long time. I just saw that. La Wants to extend their stay at home orders for the next. If I remember correctly the next three months let's that's a fine notion but I'm not sure. The data supports any of that. In fact we're seeing other states like Florida and Georgia opened up and we haven't seen the numbers of covert nineteen cases. Spike like so many prognosticators had suggested they would now. Maybe it'll happen down the road but look we've got to consider. Why were these stay at home? Orders issued in the first place. Ask Yourself why were these? Stay at home. Orders issued in the first place. And if you're truthful and if you understand what really happened when it happened it was to and I quote flatten the curve. It was never to eradicate Cova nineteen. Because you're not going to eradicate it just by being away from each other. At some point people are going to come in contact with each other but the reason these stay at home orders were issued was to keep from overwhelming the system while the system is not overwhelmed in most in the majority of cases and I think probably all the cases that maybe even New York with the hardest hit epicenter of of this in the United States anyways even their hospitals and medical system. We're not overrun. They amount of ventilators that were used. Were or or requested. Were not even remotely used Hospitals are laying off people because they don't have the demand. This is a pretty fascinating thing so if the if the orders were issued to keep from overwhelming the medical system well I would say mission accomplished now with a lot of people will say they'll say well Ryan if we open back up then we might run the risk of of overwhelming the medical community the medical system again. Yeah I would think that would be true if we didn't see this start to play out. In other areas that are beginning to opening up and they aren't seeing everything been overrun. We're just not seeing it so what I would suggest that. We consider opening the economy that we consider opening our businesses that we consider going against. Maybe even some of these unconstitutional orders. That we no longer wait for permission to do these things and people say well Ryan. You're you're being very irresponsible with your audience. You have a big audience in your being irresponsible with what you're communicating to these individuals. No I actually think I'm being very responsible with it. I would hate to think and look back in ten twenty thirty forty years from now and see where this trend is going and think that maybe could have said or done something about it and not done it then actually share some of my thoughts and ideas. Because I didn't WANNA be irresponsible. I think irresponsible is to not look at the entire picture to assume that just because somebody suggesting that we opened the economy up that they want other people to die. That's not the case at all in fact if anything accusing somebody that is irresponsible because who wants people to die nobody wants everybody to. Die Right. This is a false dichotomy. You either want to keep the economy shutdown forever indefinitely or you want everybody to die. Well there's some other choices somewhere along. That spectrum of potential outcomes that may arise from this one might be that we see death rates that are worse marginally worse than the flu. Which I think is what we're seeing. We're seeing that. The death rates are in fact worse than the flu. But they're not the three four five percent that we once were led to believe. They are in fact in many cases in many studies. I've seen their under one percent point. Two point six but they're certainly not that three to four to five percent. So we flatten the curve. And I think now at this point were were seeing that what was once thought to be hugely. Catastrophic is not nearly what it was before and now it's our opportunity to open things back up in assistant matic process doing it as safely as we possibly can and what we need to consider as well is that not. All demographics are affected the same way. Young people are largely unaffected by cove. Nineteen now if you're sixty five or older okay. Well you have a greater risk of contracting this illness and it being deadly those people in rest homes nursing homes launch long-term care treatment facilities. Yes we ought to worry about protecting those individuals but there's no reason that we can't begin to put our young people back to work. Allow them to Be Productive. Allow THEM TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES. Allow them to contribute to society and actually have heard a couple of stories where some of these individuals aren't even interested now going back to work because the government handouts that they're receiving significantly larger than what they receiving contribution or or income when they at work well. That's hugely dangerous. We're talking about trillions and trillions of dollars being spent to fund other people's Income. That doesn't need to be funded. These are able bodied. People who clearly can go out into the workforce and not be affected to the degree that we've been led to believe by covert nineteen and instead of allowing them to go do that to be productive members of society. We'd rather than be dependent on government handouts so those individuals who are paying taxes who are contributing to that tax base are now funding. Not only their lifestyle now. They're funding other individuals lifestyles and this is only going to get worse. This is not going to get better so we need to stop it in. Its tracks right now guys. We need to become more vocal about what we're seeing we need to share our platforms and talk about these things. We need to take to task the politicians who are going against the will of the people and this is still the will of the people and we need to forget about asking for permission from people who do not have the authority to grant US permission. In fact they didn't have the authority to take these rights away from us in the first place. This is a pivotal moment. I believe for this country and the direction that we're going it's a pivotal moment for our children and our grandchildren and I want to be able to look my kids in the eye and my grandchildren in the eye and say I did something about that. I was willing to stand up against the tyrannical government that would begin to control every element and aspect of our lives in the name of safety and I get it. It's a fearful time. People are scared. That's why titled this America landed the week in home of the afraid. Everybody's afraid fearful are more easily controlled and manipulated. So ask yourself is this. Does this feel right to you? Does what's happening just anecdotally. Does what's happening around you feel right to you or does it feel like something's a little bit off. I WanNa know where an and granted. Maybe I'm not giving as much credit to those politicians who are doing right by us. Who ARE TRYING TO LIFT. These unconstitutional restrictions. Because they're they're they're available and there's people who are stepping up opening their businesses despite. What the governor's tell them? There's police officers who are pushing back. Sheriff departments who say and have gone on record to say that they are not going to be enforcing these unconstitutional orders. They're out there but I just fear that it's not enough. We need to ramp this up. Okay and to those of you who say well Ryan. You're just you're being irresponsible. I would say that questioning authority. That really trying to get to the root of what's happening that trying to open this economy up in a in a in a good intelligent way is not irresponsible. In fact if anything it's completely responsible it's the responsible thing to do as American citizens who are free and independent and have the opportunity and obligation to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But we're seeing anything but that in this time and I don't want it to get worse and it will unless we as strong free men are willing to do something about it willing to stand up to make us Dan to put ourselves into these elected positions so that these other politicians are ousted from control. Because they're obviously not doing what is in our best interest. I think there's a way to do this smart. I think there's a way to have some intelligent discourse about this. I don't think anybody who wants to open. The economy up is interested in other people dying. I think we need to protect our elderly. I think we also need to protect those who have compromised immune systems and health issues that they're dealing with but I also think that we will see some very catastrophic results come from keeping the economy and keeping the country shutdown. So I'm calling upon you men to do what is in your heart to do what is right to live life of conviction to start sharing this message. I'm sharing with you and start delivering your own message of freedom and independence and liberty and although there are risks to opening the country backup. There's risk to everything. There's no strategy. There's no tactic. There's no plan that can completely eliminate risk at all. It's always there and it's always present. We've got to be willing to ask ourselves. What risks are we willing to live with? And I'm not willing to live with the risk of allowing our government to get out of control and turn into this behemoth monster that we can no longer stop or control or dictate. Our politicians work for us. Not the other way around there to do. Our bidding as the citizens of this country is not their bidding is not what's in their best interest and I think we ought to take note of who which politicians are thriving in times like this. Who's politician what? What politicians accounts are growing? Who's consolidating more power and ask ourselves? Why is that the case and I'm not willing to vote for any individual? Who is benefiting in some way from tragic and horrific situations for other people? And that's exactly what we're beginning to see so guys. Here's what I'm asking. I want you to share this podcast and I want you to share this message. This has been a message of reclaiming and restoring masculinity this has been a message of sovereignty over the past five years. This has been a message of living by your convictions and making bold stands for what you believe in. And if you've got a business and you feel so inclined to open it and you feel like that's what's in your your heart then you ought to consider opening it. We can do this in a respectful way that you run for office as you feel necessary and appropriate You talk with your politicians and you take the right channels that you peacefully assemble where appropriate To fight against corruption and the overreached that we've begun to see from the government. This is what free men would do. This is what brave individuals would do. But I fear that we have become we will be continuing to become weaker and more afraid which is exactly where some people in some organizations would love to have us to let me know what you think guys share again this episode share your comments and your thoughts and your ideas on what. 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196-Reynard the Fox: Chaotic Good
"This week on myths and legends were back in the stories of Renard the Fox with a bit of a reboot based on a completely different much older collection will learn how to use a goat as a fishing pole and that maybe you should follow that creature that wants to eat you into the dark forest. Protection from all those other creatures who also want to eat you. Creature. This week is a hairy big headed snake. WHO's very polite. Myths and Legends Episode One ninety-six chaotic good. This is a guest right tell stories from Holland folklore. Some are incredibly popular stories. You might think you know but surprising origins, others are stories that might be new to you but are definitely worth listen. We're back in the Renard Tales. Now we've told version of the Renard Tales once this podcast and they are beautiful and wonderful I mean they're horrifying and extremely graphic delicate red wall had the morality in violence of game of thrones. Renard, the Fox as we know him is both he's terrible. He's one hundred percent amoral opportunist. He likes to see the bad guys in the hypocrites get what's coming to them but he'll also tear an innocent animal pilgrim to pieces if he can get his claws on them that Renar became so popular in the Middle Ages that. To one source I found the French word for Fox became Renard and not the other way around as I thought. Anyway the Renard from the stories we told back in one. Oh, five Ambi is not this Renard though in my research, I was able to find a different renard this renards from the earliest version, a twelfth century beast epic originally written in Latin the Renard in that tale. Well, I don't WanNa ruin anything, but he has many more shades of gray and I personally like him a lot better than these straight evil opportunist Renard we'll, Ivan, I want to open with a fable that's been roped into the Renard Tales when that starts not with Renard but gives him an origin story of sorts because granted dive into a Scottish fable from the seventeenth century. Lawrence Bernard's father. To. Lawrence. The Fox. Lawrence the Fox was making a change. I mean right now right now at this very second, he was making a change the morning he spent very much not making changes when he tried to murder and eat a rooster Jonsdottir, the rooster was on his way to his head Harem, which is both an extremely accurate and disturbing way to think about it when a Fox jumped out in front of him, the creature began to panic at this obviously hungry Predator but Lawrence, the Fox didn't attack. He bowed the rooster step back. First high second what? Lawrence rose he paced back and forth blocking the rooster from the entrance to the Hen House, he said he wanted to serve the rooster. Miss. He had served the roosters father. The rooster was taken aback the Fox, new his father. Lawrence not yeah. It had been what a year now. They have been friends, but the Fox had heard of the roosters crow, the younger rooster, the Sun Rooster and he had heard that it was ten times more beautiful, powerful and majestic than is father's the rooster. Stopped frightening bit the. The Fox this. Lawrence not at Oh. Yeah. All the animal said so lawrence couldn't believe it. So he had to come here for himself. The Rooster Smart. Well, certainly for a fan, he will be happy to do a private performance. He threw his head back in crowed. Lawrence gave an awkward slow clap the rooster look down. was that a great performance or the greatest performance? The Fox. It was good. He would let the rooster go now. The rooster stopped the Fox from leaving. Well, what about all that serving him was this crow. What could he fix? The Fox paused. He said it was so good almost there. Maybe if he used some of his father's techniques, he will do a bit better. Like this, his father used to close his eyes and sturt low focusing completely, and then working his way up to a full on crow empower momentum. The rooster nodded, yeah. Yeah that makes sense. Okay. You give it a shot. He closed his eyes swoop down low and Lawrence grabbed him by his exposed neck the Fox broke and ran for the forest. For his whole or he could kill the rooster and divide up his first meal in days, he had cut off the roosters air so it couldn't cry out but he didn't count on the human widow who owned the house turning and taking a look at that exact moment. She screened for her collies and maybe I need to think about this from a Fox perspective because one of the poems uses the line that says, there are quote deadly dog crew and that just sounds adorable. The Fox started flagging though is caused going slack. He was too tired to hungry the rooster bumping and bruising with each bound. Realized as much. You're not gonNA, make it the rooster said. He could tell the Fox was getting tired. Those dogs are going to tear you to pieces. They're not smart though you turn around and tell them more friends. The. Leave me alone. The Fox could hear the dogs. They were closer now. To close. He wouldn't make it to the forest he listened to the rooster. He spun around and spit out the rooster seeing that they were friends. This was just a fun terrifying game they were playing this war note the friendship the dogs skidded to a stop. Oh Why, didn't you say that that made sense and animals can't just say something that's not true. Cool. Well, have fun you guys with your weird murderous being. The dogs turned in lumbered off toward their screaming master lawrence turned to the rooster. All right. Where were they but he saw was spit soaked dirt he looked up to the tree. Oh. The rooster sitting there rubbing his neck nodded. Yeah Fox wasn't at the top of his game wuzzy. That was a pretty obvious trick. That was all this morning though in though Lawrence was still hungry. He knew that he needed to make a change in to make an honest living a living not based off theft lies and murder he needed to make a change for his son. So, he knew it was from. When he passed Friar Wolf work hard and. Despite being a wolf, who actually has the word harm in his name Fryer Work Harm. But he was one of the good ones as far as they can be seen as good ones in seventeenth century Scotland. Uc Back, then the local parish priests didn't have a high opinion of the friars. Friars were well off and well educated and they would come through town in. Hold Open Air Sermons. Their purpose was bringing the Gospel to the masses, and apparently there was easier and the atonement that the people had to go through wasn't as hard as the parish priests regardless unlike his young protege wolf by the name of is ing him. Fryer work harm. One. In Lawrence too changes ways he sat wide at the list of the young foxes sins. Wow well via the Fox needed to change but the Fox looked up earnestly he didn't have a trade. He had to steal his father grandfather like all the foxes before him. He had been born into this, but he wanted to break the cycle framework. Harm said that the way was an easy one. But it was worth it. The fire said that the Fox had already been through enough by the look of him. He already done his penance. All that was left was for him to observe lent N. eat no flesh between now and Easter Lawrence said no haggas no blood sausage and the wolf said if Lawrence was serious, he would observe these rules. If you wanted to change, he should make a change. Then, and only then would he be forgiven and able to change his ways and the future of family Lawrence nodded. His head do it He would change. Change, it seems hard fry work harm said that he could still eat fish. Because those apparently don't count for whatever reason. But as Lawrence does into the rushing river missing yet another salmon, he leaped to his feet in Kenya Rock, this would never work he and his son Renard was star for his redemption. Then, he had an idea. He was trying to catch salmon with his hands, but he wasn't a bear. He was a Fox. He was smarter than this so he would work smarter. Then, he heard a bleeding. Nearby a herd of goats grazing. Lawrence picked up a reasonably sized one with sharp developed horns and stepped from the forest. He swept the little guys legs out from under him and threw him over his shoulder. At the river's edge, the goat bleating and panic, and confusion. Lawrence told the kid relax. He wasn't gonNA eat him. He just needed some help fishing. All right. Old In the kids body tight lawrence lowered the goat's head slowly into the water while he waited for a salmon to approach, it took a little while and the goat fought at first. But he got with the program. Evidently, realizing that the sooner he stopped kicking the sooner, they could be done. So he relaxed and minutes later, lawrence a big fat salmon. Plucking the salmon from goat's horns lawrence looked at the goat. Oh, little guy was sleeping be. Really sleepy. Lawrence couldn't even wake him up. Well, he deserved a nap for helping the Fox stand the straight narrow and Lawrence lead the definitely sleepy goat. On. The grass by the riverbank. Honestly it felt good. The Fox was so excited to be living an honest life. He was now hunter of none friend to all have eaten fish for his family slung over his shoulder. He didn't even have to avoid the field of geese. He was now a God fearing Fox helper to all animals even those he used to hunt. Don't worry friends. I will do you no harm in bear. You know ill will go in peace on this day. The Lord Hath made the Fox said as he walked past the stunned geese, just Kinda make an blessings. In you good Sir farmer with your staff may you also have a blessed day? The Fox. Said with a bow. The farmer wasn't nearly as confused as the geese when he cracked the Fox across the head with a staff killing him instantly. The smell of rock gave away the farmer had left his father unburied. Bernard shuttered. The farmer had skinned the elder Fox furs pelt and tossed the body in a field next to the fish. Now, both were rotten. It had been days. Carrion birds have been here. And? Renard. Couldn't even carry his father's remains home. I. Was probably for the best the ground by homeless ridden hard. Renard set to work in the dirt. Before long he had carved out a grave with his bare paws. He didn't pray though there wouldn't be any more of that. Fryer work made come by to tell them the good news. That his father had heard the good news and he was on the path salvation. And now. He was dead. Renard padded on the dirt. And said goodbye to his dad. His Dad had been mistaken. There was no place for Fox's in that world. His Dad had tried to play by their rules and he lost and he would've every time because their rules were there rules for a reason. Only, they could win by them. Renar knew who he was. What he was. And he wouldn't try to be something that wasn't. You don't stumble down a path that you know. From now on Renard would play by zone rules. He immediately came up against problems. When he returned to the borough, he found the dog outside demanding that Renard come to the lion and answer for his father's crimes. Her nodded. Yeah. Sure. Let him just get one thing from inside his hopelessly complicated labyrinth With dozens of dead ends and even more secret entrances and exits the dog not a shirt that checkout just come right out so you can stand trial. Bernard. nodded. Absolutely. He slammed the door and three hours later, the dog gave up waiting inside. Renar had just finished packing his bags. He. Looked over his childhood home use a loan now. The authorities will be after him for the crimes of his father. He would return. But he would wait for the heat to die down I. For now though. He had to go. Till Yana A row. So like type of short dear her noise in the forest. She was good at that. The Fox walked from the forest pause in the air. He was unarmed and with justice clause in his teeth, he couldn't take down a row. I'd even if you want it to. Peace said make no mistake. She was endanger. What was she doing out here all by herself Portillo Janas straightened up, poised her legs to run. She was on a pilgrimage. She was going to visit some of the shrines of the saints ending in Rome. Renard shook his head. Well, that's stupid. Rose ears perked up. Excuse you. We're not told her no offense, but she was a prey animal. Out here on her own. The. Row said that this was the civilized land now everywhere from France to Rome was under the rule of law. Whose Law Bernard asked as soon as she finished the row shrugged. The kingdom, the church. The Kingdom Bernard observed ruled by lines in administered by dogs. The church staffed by wolves. Yeah. They're on your side. And whose side are you on the row asked Clinton warily into the forest. Bernard trucked I'm on my side. You see I'm an Omnivore I go where there's opportunity. And Right now I see a lot opportunity. He whistled an crashing and crunching came from the forest all around them. The row. Hurt it. She was surrounded. She froze. And that's what you do. She heard the Fox say when the noise stopped, you thought you were going to be torn apart by hunters and we're seeing your response to that situation. Debt you're lucky you've made it this far. Throw Open your eyes to see the predators, but she didn't see the predators. She saw animals like her. Audience the STAG preferred us the goat, Joseph. The Ram Karkovice, the Donkey Gerard, the goose sprint, the rooster, and of course, renard the Fox. The role looked all around her who were these animals? Renard smiled to smile us where your new travelling companions. Renard said that as it turned out, he did have useful skill. See these simple salt of the earth creatures had the whole world against them. He said Patting Scowling Gerard Goose on the back the predators of this world still ate meat for goodness sake more to meet come from it came from the types of animals they found here. The carnivores in control to the animals needed help they needed renard. The roast smiled. Wow. was so kind of Renard doing God's work and protecting these animals. Are. grimace. What knew he didn't do any of this out of the goodness of his heart he did this because like it or not he thought Predator. But you don't. You don't cut the head off a chicken who lays good eggs. He said walking to the rooster who was neither a chicken nor laid eggs you don't slaughter and milk cow in the prime of her life, these animals they paid. And he helped them stay safe on their way to Rome. Throw ask the Fox what was stopping him from turning on all of them. Renard said that he was one fox and they were his bread and butter besides what he could take. Maybe two out of the seven in a straight fight maybe the rooster had those spurs though and geese geese could get mean. It just didn't make sense to turn his own livelihood against himself. Renard said, I I wouldn't stand a chance. I. Mean. Not like the wolf that has been stalking the row for the last seven hours. purtill. Janas earshot up straight what. That was. Oh. Oh, no. She turned back to Renard. Who was nodding? Yeah Hear him now. He's not the only one either we're not said he didn't intend for this to be a join or die thing. But Hey, happy accident. So? What will it be? 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Oh so sad and maybe that was because they made such stringy meals regardless fryer work harm was gone now an ice and grim was no longer an apprentice. He was a wolf, an Abbot, the world was his. Kill and eat. The good book said is Ingram was only following God's word. So you would wait until these animals were asleep and tear their throats out. I told you to watch the door the Wolfer from inside the hostel. The door rocked on its hinges. I'm watching it. The donkey yelled back. Mouthful. My mouth is here, but my eyes are on the door. The. Doors down the hall another argued and animals inside going as the wolf got dressed in his habit cinching his rope belt. And he strode toward the door? Before he could knock though. The door flew up and. Father Renard said beaming. Icing grim the wolf matched a smile. Hello everyone. It's an abbot. The Fox said calling back down the hall to the room. The room erupted who I am excitement when not the wolf to come in from the cold please. They were a group of pilgrims making their way to. Rome. They will be honored to show a creature of God hospitality for the evening. Renard sat the wolf down at the table. Ask him creatures. Name. He smiled he was father icing grim. Or an art froze. Icing Grim. He trained under fryer work harm wasn't it wolf not again. Yeah. Bernard forced to smile his father had been. Lawrence. Syndrome pursed his lips sad story that the poor Fox was so close to salvation but he was killed while stealing geese. Tragic. Backslide but it seems the wicked will be punished. Oh. Yes. They will the Fox replied. And then he looked to his compatriots well, looked like the donkey eight, the last of the grain, but the wolf wouldn't have been interested in that. Anyway the Fox looked the STAG did they still have them the antlers nodded yeah. Of course they were on their way out though so you might wanna eat them today. Good news we have meet the Fox beamed did the wolf eat meat The Wolf placed his paws, his chest and made a frown. He ate what was placed before him he made no demands whether for or against any type of food he was a grateful. God. Fearing Wolf. Yeah I bet you are Bernard replied and whistled for the donkey. Mind bringing out the Wolf Ed's. Ice Grams is widened. The though now. Shrugged. Yeah. It was good thing. The Wolf wasn't picky because this was pretty much the end of their food. What was it two days ago? Three, the stag interjected he was still washing blood from his antlers. He said three thanks the Fox noted. The Wolf will be happy. These wolves they weren't good wolves like icing grim. These only pretended to be good. They got the first one about Tamara Hermit. And they were only doing what was right to protect the Church of course, the other two well, they come to the aid of the first stocking in the woods icing grim news, how wolves were and. There were more of you, right Ice and Gra masked swallowing hard to take on three wolves. Os Actually Renard acknowledged we actually picked up the road today anyway everyone here was herbivores except Nardin. The Fox wasn't a fan of Wolf they held onto them just in case because they had room, but the meet was still good. We're not even share some with him. Bring them out. And they did the wolf was so terrified that he didn't realize that the one wolff had the group had the one they had chanced on a day or two ago from a corpse they found recently dead on the side of the road have been dressed up three times some makeup here a week there and I guess it looked like three different wolves. were. An art help is handled the last one. This was good. Thanks Joseph the sheep he looked on the wolf turned ice and grim. ooh, this wasn't a fighter had some good marveling even the face here dig in. As Renard, took the knife and cut into the wolf's face in front of him. ICING GRIM threw up in his mouth stood he he needed to go in are followed his companion and standing what why was it there hospitality the wolf shook his head and then he looked at the surrounding group, the rams horns, the bucks, antlers, the roosters spurs they had taken down three wolves that were bigger than him. What. Had He wandered into? We're in our put his paw in the wolves arm. While he hoped it wasn't their hospitality. Seriously it was dangerous to go alone take this to be some Energy Renard held up, make shift doggy bag and then the wolf pushed it back. No Stop Shoving Wolf Bits and his face Bernard apologized and then turn to the STAG. Make sure he gets out into the night safely. Make sure he gets everything he needs before he leaves to. Earn apologize to the wolf that they're hospitality had been wanting. An ice and grim chrome. I. Made His way off down the corridor, the forest at night. This is unseemly. This creature is an abbot there worcester screeched the STAG was already outside. The door was open, but the rooster was standing in their way. Screeching that. This was their guest. He was a creature of God. He should stay if anything they should leave and he should get the hostile. The Ram told him to get out of their way. They could close the door is ingram to said that it was super cool. He was good but the forest plenty of animals to e blessed in the name of their the ram shove the rooster aside inner out. In. To close the door, there was a lot of. And the appearance of confusion because as the STAG helped the Abbot Wolf out the door and the rooster got an out of the way. Finally. The Ram got the door closed on the wolf icing grim shrieked pin at the waist by the door he wasn out. He wasn't out the ram sat down saying that he thought he would rest there for the night. Played it did anyone else hear that It sounded like screaming the wolf streak that it was screaming he was screaming. Ram, shook his head and then looked to aside to the wolf's legs cloyne scratching the floor. What. Oh, no guys I some grim the Abbot was stuck. ICING grim collective gasp go from the other side of the door they had to get in free ice and grim struggled say that all they had to do was open the door. Why weren't they opening the door outside? The stag side, he know what? The Rooster was bright. It had been shameful to let icing Graham go without proper hospitality. Icing grim was groaning seriously. He was just happy to leave now the stag shook his antlers. No. He needed to give the wolf a drink for the road. But. The only thing ice and grim will be drinking was his own blood when the stag brought his antlers down hard on the wolf's jaw the wolf screamed what was the stag doing? What was this this tag said I know it's not enough. He knew the Abbot was just being played. Here, well, the stag resumed smacking the Predator. Inside the animals were trying to find a way to get him through that door. Three tried helping him with his horns. The goat headbutted him the Bro and donkey kicked at him, and the Rooster Laptop is back pecking tearing with his talents. What's that Gerard? The goose asked as the wolf ride them pain under the onslaught of anti who were supposed to be as dinner. The goose was looking in between the wolf selects to some things hanging down. I didn't know the wolf had two tales. The Fox. Laughed Oh by no, those are. That's not a tail. Goose shrugged and bit with that one bite the Wu found the extra motivation. He needed to find his grip on the floorboards, tear himself free from the door and all the animals pummelling away on him. He scrambled limping and whimpering into the forest, the animals high five and gathered around Renard, the embraced and thanked him. They didn't know where they would be without him. Okay. We can do this part of you will be here some over their Bernard said, pointing across the hallway. Some will be dragged out in the forest they tried to run host will be inside the wolf. The animals grimaced, we did that he always took things too far. Renar push them back. He didn't need. Hugs. The money was enough. Remember this when they made it to. He trailed off. His ears perked up. He turned to the row. She nodded she heard it to. Argue to the STAG get inside he turned to the Ram. When he does shut the door stand there. He listened far off eight, maybe ten wolves. Friends of is grim grimmer coming. Then a crash alarmed all other animals. who was back in the kitchen were surrounded our new plant opened the door renar boomed get to the roof. The roof, the STAG was incredulous. Renard said that it was the only place where they had a chance of fighting off the wolves he pushed past the stag and through the door opened himself and they're at the edge of the forest glowing in the moonlight. Ten pairs of Wolfe's watch them. Go. The birds made it quickly. So did the goat and the Ram surprisingly nimble for size the STAG in row wasted no time prancing up or hard scramble of the Boxes Barrels Lining the House and quick count. Oh. No. He skin ground and found carcass the donkey. The ring of wolves slowly closing around him. Carcass roof now. We're not screened the portly donkey hurt his guide and lumbered over to the wall. The walls were careful. They didn't get kicked but as they saw the rather large beasts of burden making an ill-fated jump for the roof managing to not only barely hook his hooves but also kick out his own support leaving him dangling off the roof, the wolves slowed. and laughed. The meal was trapped. Now, all they had to do was sit back and let the donkey fall just then the wolves that have broken in the kitchen emerged from the hostile. They were about to ask what happened the group, but then they looked up. At that moment the thatch beneath the donkey's hooves came loose and the animal was in freefall. The to wolves had just enough time to do absolutely nothing before the donkey crashed down on them. There was a crack, the pair of yelps. In the whole surrounding the house fell silent. The donkey. Sprang to his feet. Oh, my gosh was he alright was broken always legs weren't broken. That's really bad for us by the way. That's like instant death for beast of burden especially in these times. Good thing was hairy squishy thing broke his fall. He said squishing a barely recognizable wolf head half a dozen times. Oh. At just that moment renard scrambled to the edge of the roof anyone else want or he got. The two fell from my completely intentional plan. Who wants to be wolf number six this week. The wolves. The wolves couldn't comprehend what was happening. Wolves didn't die not at the hands of a Motley Band of herbivores at least lions. Yes. Bear Sherp but a donkey killing two of them this this was unheard of especially after is ingram the smartest of their number had been so decisively and also literally beaten the pack broke and ran. Leaving these stunned but cheering animals on the roof. Eliana, the row left to the ground grow three bellies was the only wolf left live but he had been crushed by the donkey. Whether he had minutes or hours. He wouldn't last the night. purtill Liana Walk Up, to him. His breathing labored and each exhale was half wine half yelp. Such fearsome Predator. Those is the teeth that knows that could always find them. It was a wonder, any of the other animals ever survived. You follow him grow three bellies ask the row. You follow the Fox Berta Liana, look to Renard climbing down from the roof. And nodded. You're going to die. He's GonNa turn on you. He'll turn on all of you hit life for as long as he has to say whatever he needs to. But you give him half a chance. Hilly each and every one of you. You know what you are. You know what he is. We were wolves. Look. What he did to us. Then, the Wolf's face contorted in pain. Law Back, mouth hanging open he was dead. What did he say to you? The road jumped at the words Renard was standing there with the knife sticking out of, let's say bellies two and three for Grupo three bellies. Of. Nothing he didn't say anything just just nonsense the row said stammering. Good Renard said and pulled the knife free. Cleaning it he not needed to the row and went to go loot the pockets of the other wolf while the rest of the animals were breaking open a wine barrel Bertillon the role watched Renard. And she wondered she wondered if the wolf have been telling the truth. If. They were in danger. And if an animal really could change. That's where we're going to leave it right now. I don't know about you. But I find this new RENAR TO BE A. A nice change of pace from the old one I mean the old one was entertaining of course but chaotic good Bernard, protecting animals from the wolves inside the fence is Kinda the hero we need right now we'll catch up with them soon, still making their pilgrimage but now they've made a powerful enemy and we'll see Bernard try to stay one step ahead of not. Just a pack of wolves, but his own nature lurking just underneath the surface. That's it for this week. Next week, we're going to be back in the Viking legends from the same sources a-rod Thorstein mentioned might and that crazy at a stoop story from a few weeks back. But in the meantime, if you'd like more episodes as always, there's a membership thing in the site. For less than the price of a laser Tattoo remover that you can buy an Amazon for some reason, you can extra codes and versions of the show where a whole year's worth is cheaper than a tattoo remover which either won't work and you shouldn't buy it or will work, and you definitely should not buy it because you shouldn't be doing that yourself to get more information on the Membership Checkout Support Dot, myth podcast dot com. The creature. This week is the Taliban from Bulgaria mythology despite its name meaning dead man the telecom is just a big snake with a big head and I don't think we're supposed to take that to mean Cobra or something but just a snake with a big head adding even more confusion. It said that the reptile is also Harry despite being big and sneaky. Creature won't even try to each you, which is a refreshing change. In fact, it respects your boundaries and waits to be invited in. Once a year on a church holiday and I couldn't figure out which one you can invite them in. And you already know how of course, you just burn an item of clothing to invite a big headed Harry sneak into your home. That's common knowledge. You don't need me to tell you that, but you won't actually see the. Next morning, you wake up and find one of two things leading the way from the fire. If you find footprints leading away congrats you're about to be very rich. If you find quote a smell or a scent trail, you could be somewhat less rich. But you'll have more friends. Let me explain. With the footprints option, you should bring a friend. Because the treasure at the end will require a human sacrifice to remove the curse. So you have the choice of taking the treasure that will either disappear or be cursed where great misfortune or death will follow those who can take it or you can roll the dice and murder another human for gold. As if that also didn't carry consequences of likely great misfortune or death. For the sent option, you don't need human sacrifice just an animal sacrifice fun. Or here's an idea. Maybe don't play at all keeping your clothes unburned and not following the footsteps or stink of a demonic Harry bigheaded stake out into the dark to commit murder. Just saying. That's it. For this week myths legends is by Jason and Chris Wiser our theme songs by the band broke for free and the creature. The music is by Steve Combs there are links to even more music gonNA show notes. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you next time.
Robyn Goes Flying! written by Elaine Binns
"Are you ready to hear a story about a young girl who loves playing hide and seek with her brother and sister? But this game turns out to be a different kind of adventure. Robin goes flying written by Elaine bins. Once upon a time there was a little three year old girl called Robin. Who lived with her brother Frazier? Who was nine years old and Sister Madeline? Who was six years old? They love to play lots of games together but their favorite was hide and seek in their huge garden. Robin was extremely good at hide and seek one day. Robin was hiding under a Bush. That felt a bit prickly but she knew it was a good hiding place she was well hidden and could smell the damp earth all around her. Suddenly she heard a little voice calling help help. She looked around in spotted. A tiny elf half trapped under a large twig. That had probably been dropped by a passing bird. She was very surprised and excited to meet an Elf and she helped him straight away by lifting up the TWIG and freeing him he said. I know you. I've watched you playing in the garden with your family. Thank you for helping me. The Little Elf was so grateful he asked her to make a wish and Robin requested to be able to fly that. Cc E left the Little Elf and off. He went. Well said Robin to herself. I wonder if I can fly now. And as she pointed her arms embody up. She felt herself soaring upwards with great speed. She was soon looking down on her garden from very high up. Wow she's squealed happily and circled around the trees and rooftop making sure. She didn't lose sight of her home. She did somersaults and sat on the clouds. They felt like damp cotton wool. Birds flew by her and didn't give her a second glance. She sat in the tops of the tallest trees in the garden and looked around in awe. Soon she saw her brother and sister below her and heard them calling as they couldn't find her. She flew down near them and shouted to them but they did not answer her. Her mummy came out of the House and called her shouting Robin Tee. Time and Robin flew onto the Willie then next to her and said I'm here. Mummy but mummy ignored her and said to her brother and sister. Let's try the front garden guys. She is too good at this game. Just then Robin caught sight of herself in the kitchen window. She was an actual robin a bird. No she was so shocked and confused. She flew frantically around the garden trying to find the Little Elf. Oh dear she thought. I don't want to be a bird forever after a while. Robin saw a police car coming up. The drive and some policemen came into the house later. They were in the garden searching in calling for her and she could see mummy and daddy looking very worried and upset. She felt so scared. It was getting dark now and she was very hungry. She ate some cake crumbs from the bird. Table had a drink of water from the pond. Neither of which was very tasty in settled on a branch near the House for the night. Robin had never been outside in the dark alone before the nighttime noises seemed very scary. There were lots of rabbits in the garden eating daddy's vegetables and she saw Fox sniffing around the Hen House. The horse and the bottom field. Nee need and the geese next door honked. Robin hit herself as best she could. In case any bigger birds or cats tried to eat her she felt so sleepy so she tucked her head under her wing and hoped she would find Elf in the morning to get him to change her back into a little girl early in the morning she woke to all the birds singing the dawn chorus and she even joined in next. She flew down and picked the ground searching for a nice fat worm for breakfast. She didn't realize it but she was becoming a real bird. And if she did not find the Elf soon she would forget about ever being a little girl and living in the House with her family. She would always be robin red breast as she forged around the garden. She peeped in the window and saw her family having breakfast. They all looked very sad and she remembered it was because they could not find her. She started her search for the Elf. She looked everywhere she could think of in the front and Back Garden. She looked under the shed. And the playhouse around the climbing frame and swing but no Elf. She tried asking other birds if they knew where he could be but they didn't seem to understand her. She asked the rabbits and a frog but they just hopped by then just when she thought she would never find him there. He was fishing in the pond. Sitting on a lily leaf. She flew to him and grabbed him in her little bird foot holding him tightly so that he could not get away. I am so glad I found you. She said please change me back. I miss my family so much and they are very sad because they can't find me. Of course that will change you. Back said the surprised Elf. But you ask to be able to fly and now you can. He laughed. I did great new. Your Wish Robin Flu. Holding the Elf tightly to the patio near the kitchen window and the Elf worked his magic. She could see in her reflection that she was herself again and she was very pleased. The Elf ran off and Robin banged and banged on the patio doors. Mummy and Daddy and frazier and Madeleine. All screamed with delight when they saw her. They cried and laughed and hugged her. Where were you where were you? We were so worried. They said the police were still in the house. And they wanted to know where Robin had been too so she told everyone her story. Everyone was amazed. The grown-ups all looked at each other and shrugged as she was only three. They thought she must have fallen asleep somewhere in the garden and trimmed it but if that was true. Why didn't they find her? They all had a lovely breakfast of pancakes with Syrup and fruit with milk to drink and they all laughed and said he ac when Robin told them that she had eaten worms. The end huge. Thanks to turtle runner for her wonderful review. She writes such a great podcast. I appreciate the diversity of persons life situations and variety of subjects and themes of your stories. One of my favorites is nebulous. Nanna and I find it very helpful to me as an adult in dealing with the difficult subject. My grandkids also loved the story. Great job also thanks to Laura the USA Jack from Ireland Khloe from Alberta Canada sunny from Gold Coast Australia Tanisha and her dad from California. Michael and Leah from Michigan Elizabeth and Oskar from Australia Sydney from Toronto Marsha from Ontario Canada Louis from New Zealand and Harper from Phoenix Arizona. That's it for today guys until next time.
Pubcast from The Brit and Yankee-Show 344-Doris and Rick Kennay of Kennay Farms Distilling
"Dan Though even Yankee pump studios now the big Yankee craft beer up coast near the pied being pulled the big day out Dr James e again jacket contract you will pay for that that Beta. It's another pub cast from the Britain Yankee. We have once again. Hit the road this time. I'm with my good friend and Co host. Mr Kim Mullen from hotline brewing. Fill one welcome to this show because I drove you out to out west. We'VE COME WEST ON I. Adria straight west and we are actually doing something a little bit different this time around. We're going to be doing a distillery slash brewery. Of course we are still going to have great beers in front of us but we want to explore some of the hard liquor that's coming from Rochelle Illinois and I'm very happy to say we are Acts Kenny distillery anything else on that and Burry emburey okay with me sitting across from me is Doris can a crack and Rick Rick. Kay now I had. I was thinking it was Kenny. But it's convey right. We actually go by Kenny. You go by Kenny. Okay all right well that makes it easy because for dimwit slight me pronounce. You know so. Thank you guys for having us out here and I I should say that when you come to Rochelle it's very. Shall we say sleepy town? I mean this is a this is a Thursday afternoon. It's twenty five degrees and freezing cold outside so it's not a lot going on at the moment but when you go down the main street this this Theater and when you look through the doors. It's not a theory it's a it's a distillery and brewery and we're sitting upstairs in the room so first of all. Tell us a little bit about this building because this is an amazing set that you have here. Thank you well first of all. Thank you for coming to see us. Today we're thrilled to have you We're sitting in the historic hub theater. It was started in nineteen twenty six and finished in nineteen thirty one and Was a live theater. Initially and then in the fifties became a movie theater. Okay somewhere in this afternoon. Perhaps Early days absolutely. Does Rick do a little song and dance interested only in way so how? How long was it lying obsolete before somebody had the brilliant idea of turning it into something really useful? Sure it was like most downtowns When the interstates were built they bypass a lot of the downtown's so you know it. It fell on some hard times. Starting the mid seventies and on and off operated as the a movie theater For the ensuing twenty to twenty five years starting the mid nineties or was probably closed more than it was open and then permanently. Close Two thousand eleven. They believe you may get a little echo on this one because it's quite cavernous right Ken. Z. Were basically sitting. Where if this had a balcony we'd be in the balcony looking back towards where the screen would have been about what we're looking at is an astounding array of large for Menta's and I guess you've got mash tons distilling side of it. I think in just a little bit But as we look at it there's also the magnificent what looked to be copper tubes with Little Portholes. Any idea that is those are the stills. Oh they're the stills curly thing although I'm going off moonshine been doing moonshine so these so I guess what we should do while we're chatting about what all this equipment and how this works because I have been in a real big too serious to try one of you beers now. Can you tell us what we have here? What we have here is the mother hen. It's a HEP A. Y. Zain It's rude to a local hops from livewire out of Dixon Illinois to local gentleman that started that company. It's a hibiscus flower. It's got a brilliant floral flavor and the color is representative a dynamic women and our family. The name actually. Yeah. I like to think of it. As Strawberry Blonde. Oh there you go. And which of course is all of us. Girls Have Little Strawberry Blonde dinner here. The name the mother hand comes from back in The kids were young and they would be at the farmhouse and we would have the CB radio MOM would be in the tractor. So I was the mother hand and I would call back to the Hen House. Make sure they were doing their chores and their homework and things like that until they got too old and they said it was too embarrassing. I couldn't call over the radio and ask them those things anymore. People listening in Laredo trucking. Yes all the neighbors could here. So this is a real family. Enterprise going here. Obviously you guys. Who else from your family is involved. Right now I'll visit. Is My wife myself on. Kayla my son Caleb. He's does most he does all of the the Green Production And then my nephew does the my distilling force my daughter Arbor. You've met already. She does all the marketing and the PR work in my wife. Does most of the legal work Bookwork bookwork bookwork boring things a farming family by trade. Or did you do other things before coming into the distilling business? No we're fifth. I'm fifth generation farming My daughter's six six generations and my son obviously and our grandson was just born. And hopefully here beat the seventh. So yes it's a farm family. We can easily go back to the eighteen sixties. Pop Eighteen fifties and trace. The family from their Great Grandmother was on my Dad's side was Irish Grandmother Was German. How they came to Northern Illinois. Not Real sure but they did come to Northern Illinois met and You know they had you on the same farm from back. We are not on the same farm though the farmers over about a two roads over to the west the original two roads West actually where our home farm is located in Ashton it would be to two roads to the West from there. So what was that at the time of the home farm right where we live is about six hundred acres right right where we live and then we we rent some other acres in the area? So you are producing predominantly walk. He Oh using. I'm assuming in you'll Ariz less are bourbon is about two thirds corn Which would produce all of our own corn and they're they're the remainder depending what we're doing that day is either rye or barley or a combination of both We've made a Rye whiskey which is predominantly Ri- obviously in the rest of that is weet and corn. So that's predominantly. What what we raise and what we is in the ingredients are Rye whiskey and Bourbon and so can of course a predominant grain in beer is Bali right right so but it's malted and it's probably probably not using their own barley because they don't have a monster because of where we live so it's easy to grow corn around here over. This is one of the corn belts that an Iowa. Yeah I'd say it's easy but it's well mostly this easy just policies and then they grow we. There was just I've told you guys are. Yeah it's easy but some of the other ingredients are from other local farmers that we know that You know are able provide those inputs for us. Particularly said the hawks which is really interesting. We went to another farm slash berry in February Illinois an emancipation brewing halfpipe SPONSORS BELLY DING. Ding Ding Ding Kudos. To other people. Who've done a show with serial one we like and they do have they do grow. A few hops on their own fall. Bought you know. Is that something you might want to consider for the future? You'RE GONNA leave that to the people in our hobbs. Maybe it it. It's way off in the distance of of our priorities. That's what I visited and seeing them grow. It's a lot of work A lot of hand harvesting A lot of specialized machinery that. I don't have excessive amount of time on my hands or the correct machinery. So it'd be a ways off okay so going back to the mother hen the beer that we've been stopping it does have that. Nice Half of Isan Romo is that that's cold esters right. Yeah make banana esters. You get a little clove females but when you go to taste it Number One. It's beautifully light and Chris. Number two definitely get that floor from it. I don't think I would have known this was vice and unless you told me you know. I'm guessing I mean half of a traditional Hefei uses a yeast doesn't flocculation out so you end up with a cloud beard and this is crystal clear so I'm assuming this is an American style half of ice and I I would agree it. It's made from cascade hops The people that follow their guys do Louis be honest. We have to be a little careful. Rochelle. There's not a lot of craft distilling in this area so we're been open for a year so we want to walk people into craft Moore if that makes sense to you so we're just if ours. Beer is a little more traditional. That is Kinda done on purpose and that in my opinion is absolutely perfect. Because I think there's so. Many of these bruce at our opening up with the agile heavy or the new styles and. I think you're getting that in urban centers. Yeah but you know this is like down in Bloomington. I mean there. There's there's some hazy going on down there it's a little bit bigger town. But the town's between there and here that's I mean one of the boroughs that supplying a lot of that is Evil Horse. Ding ding out of creep creep. Eleanor yes and all these brewing traditional stuff because all the little bars in I shouldn't say little bars all the bars. In the smaller towns and the rural towns that's what they're going through our loggers and you know maybe pales but it's like Blonde Ales and ambers and stuff sure so I think it's sales. It's what the old days of burrowing was you know when you go into a town you you'd be educating the town about craft beer and so you'd start with approachable beers and then you gradually move into. You know a good word more assertive years. I'm going to steal the other one. You can have this. I don't think his particularly heavy in terms of ab well six six point one six point one okay. Well let's lights are tasting it's it's really tasty but yes it's still it. It's just a delightful beer. This would be perfect on a summer's Day Do you have any outside facilities arrows at all inside? We actually do out on our balcony outside here. The magazine area is a wonderful area to overlook the street and and get that little bit of sunshine during the day when people are able to get here during the nicer. So that's like over the street there. It actually was not there. There was a marquee There initially but it was going to be very costly to repair that marquee and we started to look at the initial photographs of the structure. There was an overhang that gave the appearance of a balcony. And so what we did was think. Oh Wow that's perfect. We'll go ahead and make it a true balcony and give it the The image of what it was back in one thousand nine hundred eighty six and the door said this entire concept it it evolved. I mean doors and I had a basic idea what we wanted. We wanted this to be the tasting room. We wanted a viewing station but with the architects involved in the engineers involved in a lot of the lot of smart mines. Very talented people. We'd have a weekly meeting and it just kept evolving Assay Board about this. Well what about this and this? What you're looking at is truly what I would call an evolution of of. What wars in our heads now so. Yeah and and I'm assuming that you had to put up the wall behind the Tack Room Bar area which separates the The actual work goes all right. Actually at one point a wall was there when it became a movie theater later in time in the seventies when they were trained to basically stay open. They made this into three theaters. So up here was one appear in the magazine area and then they split the main production. What I call now the production room in half so very different theaters here so yes. There was a wall here at some point that was brought in and then taken away again so and and as I look at the wall about your logo which I think goes back to you. This large female influences on this. Yes a lady with a keg on her back sure. Hope is four very strong a victim. The model for that is their daughter. Okay well I was definitely our inspiration for the logo and we knew that we wanted a female to represent our company. Both because the females are family have been very strong in agriculture. And we knew they would be in the distillery a business as well and women like Bourbon too and we wanted to make that very very strong That you know women are in the spirits industry as well right. Well finished my sample of this. We're going to take a short break and then we'll come back and talk about. How exactly the the turning point that you decided to do this venture a bill gave you gallon. The fire gear are which we ski three. Don't fall alone to La di the second sample that. We have looked absolutely delightful whether a beautiful white creamy head Kind of a slightly hazy golden color and when I sniffed it. It wasn't a toll what I was expecting. So tell us about this one. What's it called? This is called cakes on the griddle in a little spin off of John Denver's Song Country Song back when and it's got a magnum hop in this one or my I smelling. I mean to me. I'm smelling cakes on a griddle. I can't believe it it's amazing. It's got a little bit about waffle. Think of a vanilla in here up breakfast waffle. Is there serpent? There actually is no syrup in here. Dan just calls a spiced Ale. Okay that makes sense because I was gonna say this some spiciness. I'm not exactly certain what it is but man that's really interesting. So is this a cream ale or is this is not considered a cream ale although it is very smooth it feels creamy. Doesn't like this a lot like a beer when you smell it. And it's not what you expect and then when you taste it. There's a whole different story in there as well. So it's kind of intron is a borough. He's very creative. And we give them a lot of leeway to create basically wherever he wants to do with a little bit of a guideline. We don't get too far. You know one way or the other. But he's very creative. I mean comes up with the good but now it's up the doors night to do the social media to introduce them get people to try them and then we there's a fair amount of sales and the people behind the bar there fairly educated on how to sell a new beer like this one but this was start off a little bit slow. I'll be honest with you but it's it's catching on. Every every day goes by a few more people are just starting to ask for it and you mentioned Don. That's dom clap. Who is your head? Brewer? What's is he. The family or Dan is he is now don actually worked with our nephew Adam When they first heard out doing ethanol production and When we were getting ready to put this project together Adam was basically working the floor plan and would ask done More as a friend. What do you think about this and that? This is what I'm thinking of doing and during that process that Dan said you know you really need a brewery and of course. We looked at him and said. Are you going to be that brewer Because that wasn't on the game plan initially in So that was a nice addition and then of course I was supposed to make sure that we get the licensing for both cell doors had a few sleepless nights with the League or accounting background. I am a court reporter by Trade. So About thirty eight years worth of court reporting in just was the natural choice to do a lot of the illegals permitting licensing aspects of the business so I have a question on that. They seem to sit there three skype three buttons yet. They're recording absolutely everything. Is it like a short and it is absolutely a shorthand. There's actually about twenty five keys on there and all ten fingers are moving. Pretty quick at any gives. Yeah it's it's They look a little column on TV. It's that call translate to a computer keyboard. It's all computerized now where you identify what you're writing and there's brief forms. So what will actually what I meant? Was you get used to doing like three buttons or something but then when you come to a computer keyboard you see what you mean. If you're trained that way you know it really plays havoc with your regular typing for a while until your brain starts to realize there's a difference between the two and you're able to do both okay so let's go back now to you know. I think you said that you work for Another company a large chemical company. If so you do in the fall and working for that chemical company. Yes you run in the foam doors. I was also working with the farm with Rick in doing so. Yeah we both had Basically three jobs between us so at some point in the past somebody said Hey. Why don't we start a distillery? I'm assuming was the initial idea right. Well initially we always look for ways to add value to our green. And we've been looking. My great-grandfather add value tours. Grainy Fed is to his horse and that provided the power for the farm. You just try to add value and and so we got into the livestock in the mid nineties and that was fairly successful. But we've tried some adding value things that quite frankly were not successful so you you you gotta fail fast fail very cheaply so we decided we kicked around the idea. Okay what about distilling? You know we had the manpower. We had to expertise. We couldn't manufacturer one thing about farming. You're good at manufacturing you go to making things with your hands so the more we delved into it the more we said. I think we could do this. We had some ALOCHOL fabricators that helped us make tanks and from that came out the stills. We obviously can't make stills big copper stills but we had to buy those but There's a lot of things that we could incorporate our previous knowledge from previous experiences into distilling. And so it's kind of a natural evolution. It didn't come all at once but over about a five year period. It just kept evolving or something. I I think we could do this. So did you make moonshine? On the fall we practice. Yes all right. We practice there some regulations on how you got into how you do moonshine on the farm but we we stayed pretty much. I think we'd stayed pretty much within the constraints of the of the laws but where we practiced on how to how to make it. Remember my distiller worked at the distillery distiller at the ethanol plant for for what eight years? So he really understood the distillation process. So I'm assuming that as you growing corn you're selling the corn to help make the ethanol. Yes absolutely absolutely. And how so my own experience? Well that's what I wanted to might you can but it was with having a call that I you know back in the days when gas was really expensive You could put eighty five into your car. And that was my experience with ethanol. Do they use ethanol for anything else. Do you use it do I use it. Yeah you don't put in your car right Put it in my mouth. Oh so is that the no alcohol. That's what it is and it's the same thing. Same okay say process absolutely okay but actually a smaller scale if you can believe that then at the plant is situated south of town here all right okay so this is the same process. How so? Let's talk a little bit about distilling? Obviously I'd like to kind of get to the point. Where at some point you're gonNA say yes and we're GONNA use the barrels for our barrel aging program a bit later on. So how do you? Where do you start? What's the liquor that would be the starting liquor distiller will it? It I start with. The whole process starts with the grain on my farm predominantly corn and we selected for the highest starts variety that that we can possibly grow which cleaned on the farm in other words. All the chaff is left on the farm and we feed that all the livestock on the cracked kernels. All that then it's ground at the farm and brought in here as a ground form and that's where the distillation process really starts is here. It's it's cooked in our cook tanks for a period of time and then transferred to our fermenters. Yeast is added is literally hundreds of different kinds of east. You can add for different. Flavors different yields different times. It's just the time it needs to ferment And then from that process. It's transferred to our beer. Well which is about eight percent alcohol at that point from that point it goes to our stills and that eight percent alcohol basically gets concentrated in two hundred and they'll be like eighty percent alcohol and if I remember rightly from what I know about it. It you're boiling the alcohol. And the condensation drips exact often that that's what you collect. Whatever percent now heads and the tails you discard the heart she keep in touch with your distiller really gotten really understand the distillation process. What temperatures different alcohols come off at the lower temperatures some alcohol's just needs to be discarded because there's not the alcohol you drink at the higher temperatures. Another set of alcohol get discarded. It's only at that part in the middle is what's kept so talked about yeast being different types of the same types as you would use your brewing. Ken Or there. There are distinct distilling yeasts. That are used. That are very aggressive. Very clean for many very quickly. Because you know I mean I think there were more concerned with flavors that the east produce in the beer world than than distillers are generally they are you getting your yeast from the same sources as the brewers are getting their useful. Yes that we have ye salesman at. Stop by here okay. Yeah all the suppliers make distillers east to do okay so it was the first one that you started producing. 'cause tell me what we made vodka. I okay because quite frankly Russian population big Russian population to everybody. Everybody was this Mason. Potatoes AU sommet from corner in the Mid West. I get asked that question Molly Daley Russian Volka made from potatoes so a lot of it is It depends on what part of Russia year in view. If you're in. The Ukraine is a lot of corn in European out of the obvious not part of Russia but shirts made from corn but ours is made from one hundred percent corn. Okay are vodkas hundred percent. Corn is is one of the easier easier alcohol make. It's the easiest one to to put beyond my bar here. It's as a mixer so that was the first one that we started off with okay and then you moved into. We moved. We moved. Dorsey take this one. Absolutely Jin Generous. Our number two product I'm an GIN drinker so it had to be wonderful. I have a question absolutely gin and tonic. What do you put in a sly solve? Lemon precise of lime lane limited tonic England slice eleven but anyway in Kenny firms distilling Jen. You don't need a lime or a lemon you don't even need. A mixer is absolutely wonderful. Standalone my references to drink at NEAT Very cold in the Yes The what we did with our Jin was. We want something very unique. That would appeal to maybe more non gin drinkers in all honesty. looked at several recipes. And this one was the selection. It's later on the juniper and heavier on the botanical 's we have coriander a lemongrass a bitter orange an oral route and it finishes with the Black Pepper and The first time that We made that selection and our nephew in to work on it Several weeks later after it had marinated and and gone through it's sufficient waiting time. Rick was here the day that they actually bottled that product and It was ready to go on the shelf the next day and I hadn't tasted the finished product yet so I was like hold the presses I have I have two. Yeah Quality check on this so he had strict instructions to bring that home that night and I was waiting at the door with the chill glass and did the first wife of the the smell of it and that was very very good initial Smell and then the taste that finished with the black pepper Who was like he nailed it? This is awesome so I know the slow berries are another way of making. Jin is involved here or can't get slow barriers. Is that something you know? We etem actually used a whole juniper berry and just let it sells name as a slow berry or is it different other different. A different okay. What we thought about that for a while but you know we had to get onto other things vodka. I then the Jin then. I'm soon your next question is what do you make next. And that was a Ri- ri- whiskey age is a little bit faster in the barrel so that went in the barrel in June right in June of this year. And now we're onto bourbon. The Bourbon is what we believe will be our signature product that we really wanted to be our signature product But just so happens if I could. I is really good we. We're getting a lot of people that really like it so it's been very popular The Gen is very unique to Rochelle because of the panicles that we included very unique to Northern Illinois and our recipe. So that's been very well received so we're word we're very enthusiastic. How Awry it's actually want finishes aging which is going to be a year and a half maybe two years very anxiously awaiting how how it's going to taste so We're going to break in just a second but I saw a quote on something you said that you had to get moving on other things and I'm assuming you didn't make slow Jim because you had to get moving I liked. It will lie on the Farms and let back pain control McCain hack. It's early to rise early in a sack. Thank God I'm a country villa. Simple Kinda Life. Never did me no harm or raising your family and working on the farm. Days are all filled with an easy country charm. Thank God I'm a country boy. Got Me a fine. I forgot me off. Italina Sun's coming up. I got cakes. Griddle and life ain't nothing but a fun of God I'm a country back and the next beer from the selection that we're leaving up to Rican Doris to choose for us is one that I was hoping they were going to choose. And this I believe is Your Cherries Jubilee. Okay which is very very good dessert. Tell us a little bit about this because this is As I say as black as you're at well this is a pastry stout. So you're correct in that. Buil film starring and It's got a cherry chocolate influence to it. It's made with a magnum hop hops. And this'll surprise you. It's nine percent alcohol that does not taste like nine percents signed. It also doesn't taste like a pastry style and the reason I say that is that you're getting that Nice Rushdie Maltese. You know the kind of flavors definitely get the chocolate But then the cherry gives it a slight taunus. Yeah and it's the the body's not real heavy like a lot of pastry stoute's with lactose in excess sugars. It's pretty nice. I like the Malt character and they're Nice Nice Malt backbone with with all the Chocolate and the Cherry. So is this one a into the evening favorite with people and they come in I. I can't imagine having more than a sniffer of this. Well I mean obviously you know more than the alcohol content we serve this in a ten ounce glass up. I don't know the end of the evening. Wheel lock people. This is what the order to me. It's the because the body's a little lighter it does not drink like nine percent beard and I like the way you describe it. This is from your website. A high octane. Now I'm coming along going. It's so light you know wouldn't have cities high-octane but this one sneaks up on you to continue story the spirit side by the way speaking of spirits this places kid. Be here at night by yourself with your closing. It's spooky trust me just you. Have you tracked down any of the stories of? Who's supposed to be here or we have supposed to be. We have net but we have one of our Retail neighbors that has seen a picture From this building and she swears that there's a ghost like figure in the back of one of these Pictures and it was actually up in this corner here. That were very close to right now. I just felt the show. Just felt a chill on your neck seriously. You beer night all by yourself and your closing. It's eleven thirty twelve o'clock it is. It's uncomfortable Chroma. What's the night at the museum? You Yeah right okay. And it's right by the employees only and maybe we hope I'll take a Po site anyway back to the spirits. You do a Rye whiskey and Bourbon. So my question is as being a known spirits. Drink typically I do have the Tony mostly when my family comes over. But what is the difference between a whiskey which I know being a Scots Whisky? And that's kind of I have a drunk was a Scottish whisky but a rye whiskey and above. And what's the difference in the main difference in the flavor I guess at different flavors but most of most of his in your gradients. Bourbon has got to be fifty one minimum fifty one percent corn. It has to be distilled up to one thirty proof. No one thirty one thirty proof. Sorry and then it has to be put in a new white oak barrel and then it can be called Bourbon. It doesn't that'd be made in Kentucky can meet anywhere launched meets those three requirements rice. Pretty much the same way but it has to be fifty one percent rye distilled to one thirty put an new white oak barrel and then we called arrive. This thing wishy as somebody's last name. There's Rye Whiskey Bourbon whiskey. There's Irish risky the Scottish whisky. It's it's your last name and then all the first names is what it just mentioned a car. Remember you put an on on risky as wes. K. E. Y. Or because I think the only one with just why is this? A Canadian thought that he used to all the Scots. Oh maybe see Irish billy. I don't know I don't know that. Yeah so you said you put them into brand new white barrels. Missouri of is the one that's used a lot of barrow making it. Where do you get your fresh clean? Barrel show come from Kentucky okay. It's It's just a natural place because all the distilleries most of the stories are in. Kentucky it just seems like the place that the distillers have bought their barrels from. And do you have. Is there like a specific cooper? I think is a barrel maker. Coupon rate Dupree. Is it the same one as some of the big boy has goto? You use emily. And there's really two main went to Kentucky and we're and we're and we're gonNA use the ones that is one of the two largest ones the name if for some reason it's slipping right now but we are going to get out first semi loads barrels in the last week of May and so we have to be ready for that So we're we're making the Bourbon now. Storing IT IN STAINLESS STEEL CONTAINER. So when the barrel do come in. We're film relatively quickly. Because they do dry out within a week were filmed so we have to have signing two hundred sixty. Berle's the fifty three gallon barrels so that comparable of gallons you have to have made on the barrels arrive or film within a week and then they're going to storage and the inside of the barrel so my experience of barrels is that they used which is typically what now but brewers. Yeah but when you get. The Brand. New is the insight charred exactly. There's four charring one. Two three four obviously force being the darkest one being the latest. It's Kinda like Iras like it when I do tours. That's how you like your marshmallows over an open fire. You WanNa Little Brown tint. What do you want black and on fire? That's that's my misses a different flavor or color after the spirit is your toasting what gives us like a piece of bread you put a toaster tastes different than a piece of bread right just as it's so in parts the different flavors the different sugars that are in the barrel will come out so we're probably GONNA go not probably we've made we've had discussion a thousand times with a number two charring. It'd be a little bit later. It's it supposed to give a little more of a sweet sweet flavor But we're all very aware that light colors imparts. Maybe not as dark as rich but a darker color is just mentally. Think of what's this richer this darker so there's a balancing act in there. We might go with three. It's going to be two or three to jarring. We have completely made that decision just yet. You have some already back their aging no right. That's the Ri- barrels. The Ri- ages a little quicker being because when rise got a definite personality. Right is a definite flavor going in so he doesn't need to age near as long as you don't you don't extract as much flavor from a barrel of variety. You do a barrel Bourbon. So do you buy malts in any of the business? You may not that I'm again. I'm I'm not. Were you know enough about bring to hire the right guy that can do it right so from the perspective of you? Talk about the charring We went down to Georgetown Illinois and as big film rolling down that and debris down there. he charles fresh pieces of wood that he puts into his matters to impact Woody characteristic too so if you didn't have that charring and maybe this is something you know. Can I duNno Chris? You've done the best side of it. But you've put spirals into zoo. Bso that imparts tokens. So if you didn't if you had a barrel that was brand new no charring. Could you put a spirit into it? I mean assuming you could put a you could put a beer into it or is that not a good idea because as the that charring also kind of disinfects inside I think. Well there's that there's the disinfection part but it's you know. A spirit is such a strong like experience when you taste it. I think that the charring kind of Mello's at the stuff that goes into untried uncharged barrels as wine and like maybe mead And and so you get more of the that like the Bonilla part of the Oak. I I don't know any spirits. That are aged in uncharted barrels. And a guy but I'm not I I'm not sure. Yeah so have you thought about the fact that you've got this slew barrels mood talk a little bit about ways store those shortly but you you've got this slew of barrels that you're going to put out for sale in would have a length of time. It is that you have to wait before you send something out. What do you do with those often? Can you use them again or are you going to become a new supply from the brewery industry? Slow there's a huge aftermarket like the barrel think knew that cost me two hundred eighty eight dollars. The aftermarkets like two fifty three today. They're traded pretty pretty heavily. So Um you can just literally if he wanted to trade those in two hundred and fifty barrels that I'm I'm done with trade those inventoried and fifty new ones or I could probably do it myself or I go through a broker and some other brewers anybody else that wants a used bourbon barrel. Yeah so if you think about it you know twenty years ago. Brewers weren't using barrels. Like they are now so that market wasn't there most of the Bourbon barrels. Their single use barrels for Berman. You can't reuse them for Burman they have to be a I use barrel. That's one of the you know one of the requirements. Call seven because it. I mean the alcohol and the Bourbon killed anything but why can't use it again? It's a legal definition. Oh really what if you WANNA call it bourbon that has to be a I use barrel? So that's why that's most of most of those. Most of those barrels went to other whiskey. Distillers like Canadian. Whisky companies and and and A lot have gone to I WANNA say Scotland for Scotch and Ireland for a so about ten years ago. I tried to get some maker's mark barrels and I called the maker's mark distillery and they said one hundred percent of our barrels are contracted to afraid for a Scotch really and let me get that straight then so they put makers was it make us more maker's Mark Urban Inter the fresh Barra when they finished with it and they did it out then they take that bow and they send it off to Scotland because they're able to use use barrels right but we can't hear right okay. Well you can hear but you can't make bourbon safe right. So Oh so. They're not making Bourbon. They're making whisky. While Bourbon Whiskey Cherries Jubilee. That's I don't think there's I don't think they're shipping all their barrels over there. Now I think the brewers here in the states are paying more than for us. Yeah that's kind of interesting. So let's see we've had so we have the Volka the Jin the Bourbon. The Right Way Ski. What are we missing anything this summer and we made that decision yet because wouldn't endorse can speak to this better than I can. But our licenses such that behind in our tasting room we can only so we make. We may delve into an ivy which is two key and we may. We may make spiced Rome. Only because we have customers are asking for a Margarita which I can't serve because I I can't make the Garvey pirates coming in pirates. Come and they come here all the time. It's a real problem but so we have made yet. I I think I've given my distiller a heart attack when I said you know you need to start researching the fermentation of an eight and sugarcane for Rome. And he says you want me to do that when two months now what we again. We had not made that decision. I'd like to get a rum spice strom and a guy in my taste room so I can kind of complete. I still won't have a whiskey until at least two years from now. You're right lesson crows earlier when you think about it. I mean you usually wait for about a year for a really good beer to come out. That's that's been sitting in a barrel but I'm GonNa wait five years off. I have a lot of patients book you mentioned but we mentioned that you mentioned that you know the tasting room here and we didn't touch on this very much but the finish here is really really nice. A lot of leather really high ceiling. It's really a sophisticated finish. Finish here and it's really nice place to sit and have a drink so I think you're right. This is kind of a cross between a brewery tap room and a cocktail bar. I Guess Yeah Right But we'll come back and talk in a second because I'm running out of Cherries Jubilee. Dying to try the one. I just wanted to add one more thing as far as the Name Cherries Jubilee. As soon as Dan told me it was going to be a cherry chocolate. The first thing that came to mind was the Cherries Jubilee Desert and we have a daughter-in-law named jubilee so at that went perfectly together so that's where the cherries jubilee born in the Queen's jubilee she was not really unusual Usual name but no I think her parents were just jubilees about her. Birth is certainly having a jubilee visit. We'll come back in a second. Okay Doris has come back with next samples in the final ones for this podcast anyway And it had a definite strawberry tinge to it as she was alluding to the story. Blonde factor and this one is cold. This is the farmers basket. It has a four point five percent alcohol content in it and has the galaxy APPs ambitious a great when I sniffed it. I said there's definitely some fruits in this going on. Did you and I wonder how this is gonNA taste. So let's give it a little Little Sip here and see what we're going to I'm reading. I'm reading the description. I did not receive so goes this is supposed to be salty that is salty and the best way. I can describe. My impression of this is that I got the sweetness from the story and then all of a sudden I hit the saltiness but again very crisp very refreshing yeah little sour sourness not mouth ripping sour by any coast. Would say Martin ask you. Do you want to have another sip off to you? One St Finland go one. You can sip again often. Which is what I want to do this so while we were off Mike as they say in the break room you tell us about the building and some of the plaster mouldings that we see there and he had an interesting story about it. Yes we had a man come into our in into our distillery and we were just starting to build. We were the the. We're starting to remodel. And he came to us and he was dressed all in white he was kind of had the plaster dust on them and he also like ghost he could have been seriously and literally walked in and the Sun was behind him and I couldn't see him very well and he said. I think I can help you guys and I said okay. Who are you in the bill? Shimmer Horn I said there's still named meant nothing to me and they said I. My great-grandfather did the original plastering in this building. I said wow wow. Wow So. He came in and He started applying his craft or or ornamental plastering and he just we doors and I watched him for a little bit and we while this is he really knows what he's doing. Yeah now as I look around the. It's a very specific Patent they have yes. Is this a historic building? I don't think it's registered historic building. Correct go ahead. We did check that if it was on the historic and its net but certainly is a very historic building in and of itself in. There's crown molding all the way around the top that's all original there's pillars and There's the faces on the Corner boosts you know from the original Construction of the theater and all of that was maintained because he was actually able to correct anything that was decayed or deteriorated and So we're very fortunate that way. We were able to keep much more of it than I think we would have. Had Bill not come into our allies and and been able to rebuild a lot of things that we didn't think that we could rebuild and he worked day and night usually weekends? But just as you work kind of interest during he was he's a non union worker. Almelo workers were union and the first two weeks. Yeah exactly the same thing is oh but within a couple of weeks the union workers that were here they said you don't know what a talent you have. Actually I said absolutely we do know. Yeah I think you said during the break. He actually has some of the molds from the from his grandfather in death original molding. And that's how we rebuild a lot of the things we're his original moldings and that still maintains a feeling of an old theater detail that you come in and you go. Yeah I can see how people would say hair and enjoy a play. I can't. I can't overstate. How cool it is. That this is out here in Rochelle. People really should come check this out and and it's worth coming out to see this. It's pretty from hotline. S about fifty five minutes and straight out. One Eighty eight no problem beautiful trip in the Summer Winter. Warm in here. I miss how we that's how we can. I mean he found us and we had a nice conversation one night when he was here. Visiting and You know started to talk about what we had in common about his place at buying and so it was really an interesting and fun. You know somebody to meet that in the last segment. I said I wanted to find out way. You keep the barrels because I think if I remember rightly from doing the research on you you built a whole barrel storage Rick Rick. How a Rick House is it named after you? It's original has called Iraq house but over the last several centuries. The Word Rack is somehow evolved in the word raked it so now airway calls them or Rick House official. Don't let pool you fill. He's excited than two buildings named after him. So that's an official term. Then the Rick how recalls Rick House in there and and? I think it's quite big right. How many square foot? Twenty Two thousand twenty two thousand square foot okay. That's almost as big as your brewery. Isn't it again two hundred and you brought them out here now. So it's right behind here Phil that's Lake Red Beck across as pointing. You can see that on the. Let me see if you can describe we. He pointed out into the area. And there is what looks to be like royal box above a doorway. That goes out and it's gone like curtains on it and everything. Was that a box. It was yes it was facing away from. Where was the station behind it in all Asti? We can't explain why it was positioned that way and I haven't found anyone yet to tell me that didn't WanNa watch the place. They definitely could see the band pit. The ban that was originally sell. They could look down on the turn. Yes in those days. You'd have a real live band right organ by any chance yes. There was an organ here at one time and there was also down beneath the stage. What they call the what they call doors. There was the Green Room Kissing Kissing. Ruled that the actors and actors would practice kissing down below the stage and then they come up the state and and put on their performance so the kissing room was was down below. We tried to salvage it but it was such a state of disrepair we we we. We just couldn't obviously a lot went on in there. Now where the stage was. You have doors that come up for deliveries and things right so in the cows. Back to the rickles yes. I know that the goose island down in Chicago. They have a large barrel house and basically it's just rows and rows and rows of these rats right with the Muslim. That's what you've got there. It is okay. We have both a barrelling and bottling facility back there so there's a separate room Lucas Star bottling operation in so for the buckling for breweries. You have mobile canning lines. You have people who will install a canning line themselves small one. You have bottling and we did bring a bottle of our wicked googly for your pleasure to thank you for giving us a few you. Which was the river lands? Hotline Britain Yankee SANDING BOILS QUESTIONS. Collaboration and Bali wine so you'll battling the spirits. Can you adapt that to bottle beer? Say You wanted to do that in the future. I would say no. That would be a different operation. I don't think we can our. We're we're I don't think so. If we do the beer at some point would probably be crawlers. Okay Okay I was going to ask whether you did crowds and also for the limbaugh. I'm looking at some bottles over there behind the bar. It does look to the different top on it. Do you have like a cork in it or is it a sproule up? It is a cork. It's a cool okay. I I don't know if that has a coke and well there's a that have a coke and a cat scan there's corking Cage Cohen in the world. But I don't know about you know a rap like that. I'm not sure but I'm sure the fact that that's not under pressure. It's a different bottling procedure than beer. That's got carbonation. Goes back to the Rick House. How many barrels in twenty can you put in a twenty thousand square foot minus the canning line if if we if we stack seven high? Which we can. We've already done it. We can get right at five thousand barrels in. We would like two thousand barrels a year. A thousand a year so you would have in five years time once that I five years is gone by then. I consistently moving right exactly. Stealing is definitely a long term project. Exactly as you said you have. A patient has been told that. So what did you find when you open this place? That was perhaps something. You didn't expect everything. The the building process was fun and exciting. The manufacturing the design. What's been unexpected is the distribution process. We we must sell outside of this facility for walls and it's it's challenging. It's it's political. It's it's just frustrating frustrating. Thank you you just have to sell out these walls and once it leaves my position. You know this is my baby. This is something I raised from from an infant. I no longer have control over. I don't know how it's going to be shelved. I don't know I was going to be priced I don't know how it's GonNa be Marketed and marketed is. So it's it's you know you just have to deal with all that you want to be everywhere at every place telling your story and telling about your product and why it's so wonderful and there's so many of us view and You just can't be everywhere that you need to be in. You can't find enough people to be those ambassadors yet Someday I think it'll be like a snowball where where it keeps building on itself but it's literally one bottle one cocktail at a time in so that's probably the most limiting thing we've ever had in our lives because we've always been the people that go out and get it and do it and make it happen and so there's certain limits In doing that and so it's like my goal is convinced one person every single day that I have the best Falko the market if I can get one person and that person tells another person. Now you've got to and they tell too now we got four so that it truly is one one bottle at at a time. So how do you tell what is good Volka? I mean I've heard there is rock guts and then Russian vote gazillion as as the Russian tea room down in Chicago who does flights of horseradish vulgar and other arm. Our rocker started off with a testimony. We you know we're tempted. We wouldn't sure but as we introduced bucket to people as as they came through my doors They said you know this is really good and then I started thinking okay. What's the process? Why is this really good? Why why so many people telling me this is really good And then we started going. Well did the two parts of the story. We started going outside these four walls and just selling it. You know at the grocery store and same comments. This is really good vodka so now. My confidence is boosted a little bit and then I started thinking in so I I started to go through the process and starts with my own grain. I I can hand selected it's a high starch low foreign material because I can screen all that off and all that stuff it can go right to my cattle so we screen it clean. It is only the really high high starts comes here and then if you notice I know it's it's a podcast you can't see but all my mentors are close tops in my beer. Wells closed up. That's very rare in the industry. Everything closed so I can control everything. It doubles the cost of your tanks. But there's no foreign desk. There's no foreign yeast. Nothing comes in that we can't control. Plus we also have specially designed tanks that we've designed ourselves weaken can. I'm not used to turn through. Weaken heated up and crash cool at very quickly. We heat the water up. Cook it and then we can crash cool it. Within a few hours we have big coolers so we can control the cooling process. Not Take Twenty four hours call we can call ours in just a few hours so we control it there and then as we get an all that said we have a very experienced distiller. He really really really really knows a lot about Ye. So we can control the east for flavor not so much for yield for flavor and it just is the whole process from start to finish at think on. I think I know I've been told enough times that are in. Our giant is very unique and it's very good. The word smooth gets gets used a lot. The word sweet comes out sweet comes out of Chai likened to sweetcorn one hundred percent corn. So what's the first thing that comes to your mind sweet buttery corn you know in You Know Adam has biology and chemistry degree so You know just the process. He knows what he's doing. But the notes here on your website. And he's he Cold held a degree from an you right Husky Husky so we were kind of running on a little bit. But that's okay because you know gas we But I did want to ask. What does the future hold for you and it almost sounds like you've answered that question and it's a lot more waiting waiting. You know in the meantime. I've got a pretty calculated plan on my mind. We've got to get our distribution up so that if I can facilitate the first bottle and may be the second bottle with myself. Being there is the consumer the end consumers buying their product but is that repeat customer and that will allow me to go to. The next set of stores is my plan. If they'd now made that perfectly clear by a person to buy a second maybe even third battle and then allows me to move on and get another set of customers introduced to our product. Because I believe and I know it's true that Amar are bikers is the best. Buy The Best Jin on on the market so I guess my final question is is this easier than foaming years ago fell. I asked her early in her marriage and tries trials and tribulations with every industry but we had had her off farming year and I said to him. Why do you WanNa do this year after year and his answer to me was because I still get excited when that crap pops out of the ground and of course I had to do the big? Syke because I was like Oh shoot. I can't even argue with that and I think distillation is you know now that we've got this new crap it's the same way We're so excited about what we're making and that it's great and that it's family and You know we just want everybody to know about it. Obviously we want to be successful and I'll add one more story many many years ago When we signed our first loan at the vote was first national bank or Rochelle been with the same bank Central Bank but They started to describe the word default. What default meant and I looked at 'em really funny like why are you telling me this? And he said well you know it's just part of the process when you sign a loan you need to know all the aspects of it and I remember looking at the banker. And saying that's not even a caveat Larry The word fail isn't a in our vocabulary. So that's how we feel about this project here. I mean this is something that will be successful because we believe in the Apollo. Thirty eight here is not Well thank you so much indeed. Feeling Time we've finished our story we did but you still got some at the end of the shows all the time. I say it's good night for me and good night from him. Good night from you guys. And thank you so much and cheers. Thank you thank you thank all right. Can maybe we get some of the hard stuff a little bit of that for a geneticist g? T. With what we can do and all of us a bite but pint please.
Sunday looks like sanction day for WeChat and TikTok. Grayfly and Blackfly (and APT41). Maze hides payloads in VMs. Ransomware is implicated in a death. Google Play housecleaning. Fox, chickencoop.
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Our Guest Galina and Togo from clarity highlights the importance of secure remote access and industrial systems during times of crisis and an alleged Fox was allegedly guarding the Hen House. From the cyber wire studios, data tribe, I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wire summary for Friday September eighteenth twenty twenty. The US, Department of Commerce. This morning announced that most transactions with we chat and Tiktok will be banned effective. Sunday Commerce explained the decision as follows quote while the threats posed by we chat and Tiktok or not identical they are similar. Each collects vast swaths of data from users including network activity, location data, and browsing and search histories. Each is an active participant in China's civil military fusion and is subject to mandatory cooperation with the intelligence services of the CCP. This combination results in the use of we chat and TIKTOK creating unacceptable risks to our national security and quote the action was taken pursuant to executive orders thirteen, nine, forty, two, and thirteen, nine, forty, three. Seeking Alpha reports that tick tock is looking to rally allies among rival social platforms to challenge the coming US ban and whatever Washington ultimately decides about a tick tock spin off the Wall Street. Journal notes that any such arrangement would require Beijing's approval to. SYMANTEC enterprise takes the opportunity offered by US indictments to publish an overview of China's abt forty-one, which it tracks is having two subgroups, gray fly and black fly gray fly is known for compromising its victims through public facing web servers and for using variants of the bar lie poison plug and crosswalk proxy Ip malware in its attacks. Gray. Fly casts a fairly wide net, but it's generally been interested in the food financial services, healthcare hospitality, manufacturing telecoms, and government sectors. Three of the men named in the US indictments semantic says we're involved with what appear to be grey fly operations. Black Fly for its part tends to use plug X. fast win t paste boy and shadow pad malware. The crew is best known for hitting the gaming industry, but semantic has also seen it attacking the semiconductor telecoms materials, manufacturing pharmaceutical media and advertising hospitality, Natural Resources Fintech and food sectors. The to Malaysia nationals named in the indictment are apparently associated with black fly. The remaining two. Chinese. Nationals indicted they're accused of coordinating activities between the two groups. Researchers at Sophos, describe how mays operators have begun distributing the ransomware payload inside a virtual machine, which renders it more difficult to detect the ragnar locker gang began using the tactic earlier. This year and maize is willing to learn from its criminal competition. An attack at a major German hospital brought down internal systems and forced to women in need of emergency care to travel twenty miles to another city in the first documented ransomware related fatality leaping computer ABC News report. According to the AP, the patient died during transport to another hospital when the rent somewhere attack rendered emergency services at Uni Clinic Duesseldorf unavailable. Hackers exploited a known and parable six ADC vulnerability apparently intending to target and affiliated university, and when contacted about their mistake quit the attack which gang hit the hospital is unclear but the hospital says it's remediating the attack. ransomware groups like maize, d'appel, Palmer film, and KLOPP. Have said they don't target hospitals but such promises have sometimes proven hollow and in any case, the gangs aim isn't always perfect either over seven hundred US healthcare facilities were hit last year and despite the criminals pious assurances early in the covid nineteen outbreak that they would avoid attacking the healthcare sector hospitals and biomedical institutes became popular targets during the pandemic. Given the extent to which hospitals depend upon network medical information to organize deliver care many have thought that a rent somewhere implicated death was only a matter of time. Now, unfortunately, that time has come. Google has announced more stringent policies against stalker wear and misrepresentation for Google Play Threat Post points out that rules are designed to rule out various designer. But also allow exemptions for parental monitoring APPS. And so how's this? For irony the US Securities and exchange? Commission yesterday announced that the CO founder of a Cyber Fraud Prevention company has been arrested and charged with what else Fraud. Adam robust the CO founder and former CEO of Las vegas-based ns eight is alleged to have misled investors through false financial statements and led them to believe that his company was growing software as a service provider and that it was a solid investment. As the SEC puts it quote from at least two, thousand, eighteen through twenty twenty ragas altered an S. eight bank statements to show millions of dollars in payments from customers. Roget's allegedly sent the falsified bank statements and revenue figures on a monthly basis to an sat finance department which use them to prepare an sat financial statements in at least two securities offerings, an S. eight and Ragas. Apparently provided investors and prospective investors. The false financial statements showing millions of dollars in revenue and assets and other information incorporating the falsified revenue figures. The SEC alleges that as a result of ragas fraud, an eight raised approximately one, hundred, twenty, three, million dollars in two, thousand, nineteen, and twenty twenty, and that ragas ultimately pocketed at least seventeen point five million dollars of investor funds and quote. An Essay has posted a statement about the matter on their website quote, the government investigation and an internal investigation into this conduct are ongoing at this time no one else has been charged and the company is cooperating fully with federal investigators. The NS eight board of directors has learned that much of the company's revenue and Customer Information had been fabricated by Mr Ruhrgas. These events created significant cash flow issues for the company and required a significant downsizing impacting all of its employees. The remaining NSA leadership and board of directors is working to determine financial options for the company and its stakeholders going forward unquote. The office of the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York described Mr Rogov says the proverbial Fox guarding the Hen House and says, he faces one count of securities fraud, which carries a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison one count of fraud in the offer or sale of securities, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and one count of wire fraud, which carries a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison. As. 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That's extra hop dot com slash cyber, and we thank extra for sponsoring our show. Able. This, far into the pandemic and the resulting shift to remote work, it's fair to say most organizations have settled into a new routine and have made appropriate security adjustments. But what about industrial systems? Our guest is Galena and Tova from clarity and she joins us with insights on the importance of secure remote access industrial systems during times of crisis. Industrial Systems we typically refer to them as operational technology components, networks, and those are actually the networks that run the world's infrastructure. So very commonly found anything such as manufacturing oil and gas, but also in everything from data centers to building. So we are quite prevalent around the infrastructure of the world traditionally though systems have been air gapped. Ten fifteen years ago, and then they started getting networked we started getting seeing more and more exposure and more and more risks associated with them, and what's interesting is because they stay. In the field for such a long time there, there are a lot of leg assistance. We'd a life cycle of twenty, five, thirty, five years. So if you compared the state of those operational technology networks to the traditional it networks, there's probably a gap of about twenty twenty, five years in the fact that there's a lot of legacy industrial infrastructure Albury, what we makes them challenging to protect. Now, as you can imagine a remote access hard only tone in it networks eighties got much harder when he comes to operational technology networks because. Amy Changes within the configuration in how those industrial networks are accessed could result in a potential potential additional attack factor and what the Kobe crisis paint. A shoulder singly accelerate is that those are the type of infrastructure changes that need to be thought through in advance. Will mean let's dig into that are some of the things that you've been tracking as we've gone into this mode of of reacting to the cove pandemic. So a source of all in terms of that particular part of the network, the operational technology networks as I mentioned even even today they're treated. We'd a they have a different risk profile obviously because intrusions in those networks have from a much more severe consequences than just data privacy et Cetera on the it side of the house in. So when it comes to giving direct secure access remote access to those networks that. Has, been traditionally challenging something that security professionals have not really been willing to going to the same extent. This they have to the IT networks. Now, of course, the COVID crisis necessitated that some of the personnel, some of the engineers are off site, and so the choice was either completely shut down production or have some form of a secure remote access that allows you to at least continue partial operating with limited staff on site. So, what are your recommendations for organizations to to get on top of this? If they know that secure remote access is something they need what are the options that are out there for them so a first of all, it's not either or it's not enough security or connectivity They are very well documented ways in which you could have remote access solutions that are also very secure of course technology. Is One step It's really important to also have a process that supplements that you know So that people now doing things like sharing passwords or shaping accounts, which was something that unfortunately is still somewhat common when it comes to engineering within operational technology networks are having a good cyber hygiene implementing the right technology and just following the governor's process. Those are the basic steps to follow. The current crisis is also revealed beyond kind of the operational topics on has really revealed the. Challenges Opportunity when it comes to the role that the season CIO's play. On as they're presenting those technology agendas to the board right and on the reason I mentioned that during the card crisis, we saw obviously the board of directors getting getting evolved very frequently into overseeing the changes that were happening because it was a crisis situation but one of the things that I've observed on in my career and especially in the last few years eating right operational technologies that that technology agenda is not always very well represented at the board level. Right. So many different reasons for that a lot of the boards have only. Experts Finance background, and I think this is really where the SEASO's specifically could have a stronger voice because they could be advocates not just for on. Spending money for the sake of spending money for security usually security seen only as an expense but we in this case college? Shoulders. Security Cyber security implementing rite aid could enable those chill transformation projects didn't become a competitive advantage on. So I think that was one kind of very strong agenda in a conversation did took place during the crisis and I fully expected this continues to be the case. After the crisis because again companies so that this could be something that helps them along the way. It's not just a cost expenditure. That's Galina and TOPA FROM CLARITY? And now a word from our sponsor DRAKO's. Catch Drago's next webinar how to create an OT cyber risk strategy for your poured on September thirtieth when they address strategic ot cybersecurity drivers that factor into a cyber risk strategy including unique considerations for. It and Iot. Visit DRAKO'S DOT com slash events that's Drago's dot com slash events, and we thank Dragos for sponsoring this show. And joining me once again is Kayla Barlow, he is the CEO at Synergistic Caleb. Always great to have you back I. I I wonder to touch today on the Siyam MC program that we've been seeing from the military in some of the broader implications that could have for folks. First of all, let me ask you to give us a little back story here. What are we talking about? So this is the cyber security maturity model certification or see MC it is being driven by a woman named Katie Arrington and Katie is the see. So for the Assistant Secretary for defence acquisition, she was actually under show a few weeks back now, the basic use case here is in the. Sensitive confidential but not classified space of military procurement. The US is losing about six hundred, billion a year in exfiltration data theft and Arnie laws adversaries. Now, this could be everybody from a manufacturer that makes a part for a fighter jet. You know one downstream part as a subcontractor to like the the folks that mow the lawn, a military base with a caterer and remember the folks that mow the lawn while they need to lay out of the military. Base, the does that make the food well, they need to know troop movements. So it's not necessarily classified data they have access to, but they still have access to a whole lot of sensitive data and the government wants to secure that. Now here's why I find this fascinating. Dave this is the first time we've actually seen somebody get aggressive about forcing some level of control. Now, we have lots of different regulations out there. You know everything from frankly hip. GDP are CCPA whether you're on the security of the privacy side all of these things talk about you know security requirements but usually the US very fungible language like best practices or best in class, but you know, and maybe they referred to a framework but rarely do you ever see someone actually score your performance and that's what's going to happen here was. and. So how does this trickle down to the rest of us? Well, okay. So you're not a military contractor you're probably and whether we'll, why do I care about this I? Think you care a lot about it because it's actually in my opinion, a great model and approach of how to do this. So first of all, it's all based on nist and we all know and love, and frankly many of the people that probably listen to this podcast contributed to the development of the cybersecurity framework. So it starts there is kind of the basic fundamentals. And then there are a series of controls that are added on top of that. But if you look at the controls, you're all going to have a lot of familiarity with them. But the difference in this case is it requires a third party assessor to go in assesses you can't self assess anymore. So that's the first major change. Now, you know in other industries do require assessments for Franks, for example, healthcare, you have to understand your risk, but it doesn't have. To be done by a third party, but the big difference in this case is the rating you get the grade if you will of your maturity. So this isn't so much a performance rating it's we're are you on the maturity curve? If you're not able to reach a certain level of maturity, there's some contracts you can't bid on or you might if you already have them, you might lose them in the future and that is a major shift and I think. If the US military can do this. There's a lot of other industries that are likely to follow a very similar model and is well laid out. It's well thought through and I think it's something we all need to pay attention to. So is is this something where you could see other verticals could say, Hey, we're we're taking the lead here and We're going to adopt this. We're GONNA make a few tweaks here but overall, we think this is a good framework to US moving forward. Well, think of a major bank that has you know hundreds of downstream vendors that support it vendor. Could certainly come in and vendor management where you know the state of the art of vendor management today is getting somebody to try to pen test a company from the outside. It's not very telling what the real security posture as you can see this come into play in insurance underwriting. Right? I mean you know today insurance underwriting is a is kind of a bit of a black art when it comes to your security posture. Definitely see procedures like this come into play there or also future regulatory standards whether they're government based or non-government based. You know there are fifty two different breach disclosure laws in the United States and none of them really at least in my opinion, give very specific on what types of security provisions you have in place, and this is the first time we've really seen someone articulated vision that probably will work. So it could be the new sort of gold standard something something for other folks to aim for all I. think There's no question that this'll be the new gold standard. It sets a bar we haven't seen in any other industry. All Right Caleb Barlow thanks for joining us. Thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible. Especially are supporting sponsor proof points observed the leading people centric insider threat management solution learn more at observant dot com. And that's the cyber wire for links to today's stories check out our daily briefing at the cyber wire dot com, and for professionals in cybersecurity leaders who want to stay abreast of this rapidly evolving field sign up for cyber pro it will save you time. Keep you informed ended rocks around the clock listen for us on your Alexa Smart Speaker to. Don't miss this weekend's research Saturday when I speak with men only from Cisco Talos on their report, what to expect when you're electing. Research Saturday check it out. The cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios data tribe with their CO building the next generation of cybersecurity teams and technologies are amazing. Cyber wire team is Elliott Peltzman Peru precaut- Stefan vizier week Kelsey bond m no Dr Joe Kerrigan Carol -Tario Ben. Yellen. Nick. leckey Tina Johnson Bennett Mo- Chris Russell John Patrick Jennifer I've been recovered heater kilby. I'm Dave Bittner. Thanks for listening. 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What to Do if You Don't Qualify for Life Insurance (Hour 3)
"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions is broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show. Were that is cash is king in the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I am Dave Ramsey your host. Thank you for joining us. Open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five that's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Margaret starts off this hour in Fairfax Virginia. Hi, Margaret, welcome Ramsey show. Hi, Dave is such an honor to speak with you. Thank you for taking the call. Sure. What's up? I called him before. I wish I made the millionaire up that Chris oh can rope. But my call actually has to do with my mother-in-law. She is has just entered in the sister living facility at age ninety seven and she's in very good health. You just can't live on her own because of her her mobility, but she's sharp attack. She has about two hundred fifty K invested or a little bit over investments, but she we just helped her sell her house, and there's a little bit of risk going on between some family members. My husband supports my thoughts because I've always handled the money in our family, and I've done well for us. But she's going to be receiving some proceeds from the celebrate house of about two hundred K or more. I am of the feeling that she shouldn't keep it liquid and safe just until she gets through this emotional time in her life because she's going from driving two home on her own, and you know, very short order she's in assisted living. Ability thinking thinking parking it in suggesting it's not my money. So I'm not saying it's my decision. But my suggestion to my sister-in-law is that she parks it in something safe like a money market or savings until she decides what what to do. Whereas my sister-in-law feels that she should potentially handed all over to her stockbroker which works for one of the big banks. And and have them, you know, assist. It's kind of like putting the FOX in charge of the henhouse in my opinion, assist her where she should. But this two hundred K. So I wanted to get an idea from you based on her age. She's in good health. I don't I mean, she's doing great. I mean, there's no no cancer nothing in the family. She's gonna be around for a lot longer. I'm afraid of putting everything exposed to the stock market at this point in her life. And I wanted to get your thoughts. I'm not afraid of that at all. She's ninety seven years old. She's got four hundred and fifty thousand dollars if the stock market winning a half, which is only done one time in modern history. If it went in half, it would only got drop into two hundred fifty thousand she'd not be in jeopardy. And it's not gonna go in half. I'm not afraid of that at all. There's. So I don't mind investing it. You know, 'cause you're not really investing it for her. You're investing it for her heirs. She likely will never touch any of this money. Right now, she is able to live on the the the small amount that she has an investment currently live off. Wash you live off the income easily from the impair assisted living and never touch the principal. And so most likely it is invested in less something very unusual happens for her heirs. Now, the FOX in the hen house, the I do not use investment advisors at large banks as a matter of fact, I don't do anything large banks large banks treat people like crap. And so I'm not a fan of dealing with that I and so no, I'm not going to an investment advisor chase or at wellsfargo. I'm not. I mean, they fired twenty four thousand employees for fraud. Yeah. I know who even has twenty four thousand employees, but they fired twenty four thousand for fraud. Right. No. I wouldn't do business with them owing wouldn't do business with fifth third. I wouldn't do business with Bank of America. I don't have any money with any of those people, and I don't do any investing with the Bank ever. I do all my investing with an adviser that places the money in mutual funds that I understand. So that part of your concern. I do agree with who. She's using is a problem for me. If I'm in your shoes, but the idea of if for instance, you were using a Smartvestor pro that us, that's a real stockbroker investor is not a banker that wishes he was or something, you know, this is someone who really does this stuff in you want to sit down with them. And you wanted to pick out some mutual funds. You really not investing it for the ninety seven year old. Really investing it for her heirs. She's gonna live off the income that part on scare me. The volatility of the market doesn't scare me because it doesn't put her in jeopardy. If you wanna hold some of it in cash. That's okay. If it makes everybody feel better or somebody feel better. That's makes mom feel better for sure would. But sounds like mom has handed off the handling of this to someone else. Right. Exactly. She has an actually she my sister-in-law. She has some tremendous ideas. It just seems that she wants to put it in the hands of someone at this. Wells Fargo the stockbroker and to me. I mean, I've got to be careful because you know, I'm just I'm just trying to trying to help and you've been here now so for so to the extent that you can gently not belligerently calls a family row over at. I would say, you know, what if you were to ask me, maybe you're not asking me. But if you were to ask me, I would say, I'm okay with investing in mutual funds on not okay with using Wells Fargo. For anything. I wouldn't put my dogs toenails clippings over there. And I think the reason why she's thinking well Fargo's because our current investments are already there and she wants to make it easy for her from an excessively, but you're making point she's doesn't really need access. She's she's that she can't even touch a computer. So it really doesn't matter managing the money. She may need access it on behalf of your mother in law. That's possible. And so, but you can have a web access with any sophisticated investment advisor. So so the investment choice and the access I'm okay with I personally, I've been very clear about that wouldn't use a large Bank for my investing ever. So that would be a kind of coming down between the two of you in a sense. But those are my reasons for all of that. I don't mean between you two like your own one side, she's on the other and I'm kind of in the middle. I'm taking parts of. Your side parts of her side in other words, but in terms of if this were an argument, but I think you're being very gentle and kind and it's probably not the other world. I don't think Wells Fargo's going Steeler money. I'm not saying that let's hope they don't. But I I mean, I really don't think they're going to all kidding aside. They're just they just don't care. They're just people are number when you dealing with the big banks, and I just don't deal with big banks, and I never deal with any Bank ever, small bigger anything to do my investing. You know, if you want to checking account get your debit card. That's fine. They will buy I got one of those several different banks, but got some cash and some banks. That's fine. I don't have any debt certainly with any Bank. You don't either? But you just don't you know, you got web access you can do a lot of stuff yourself. But if you actually needed to talk to a human. They all hate their job. And they hate their customers. You're necessary evil for them to make a profit. That's all it is. It's the evil empire. And so I just stay away from that's that's just me. Can you ask them Pinon? So there you go. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Hey, folks, cut the cord on long term contracts and save big on your monthly bills by switching your cell phone service to peer talk USA. I'm a huge fan of these guys. Pure talk USA has the same great coverage with half the price of other brands, and no contracts. Switching peer talk is a great way to save money and stay on budget. Try it risk-free today. Visit pure talk USA dot com or call eight four four eight six to thirty six seventy seven inter promo code Ramsey. And receive fifty percent off your first month. That's pure talk. USA dot com. Promo code Ramsey. Mighty is in Phoenix. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi, thank you so much for taking all hurry. I'm gonna try and keep this short. I have two thousand dollars of student debt. And unfortunately, not a doctor lawyer. I just got a business degree from private school. And I'm really making forty five thousand a year. Just with my main job. I also have two part time jobs, not a point where even if I live on rice and beans rice. It'll take me ten years to get out of this hole. And so I have a shovel problem, and I don't really know where to go with my career in just kind of meeting some guidance in where to go with my career, and how I can get out of this mess assesses possible. Degree. Yes. What are you doing today? I am an academic financial. Usher at a university. So you're not the problem. So you're not using your degree. What was your dream? When you started this. I wanted to go into business that was the goal dream business side of the music business. Yes. Okay. In when when are you going to do that? I don't know that I want to I when I graduated I wasn't finding anything. And so I just jumped into the first job that full time job that offered me money, and it was an university, and I've been with universities ever since moving up within universities paying off. And so I'm. No career tracks not working for you. It's not. How old are you twenty seven? So the thing I asked myself always about me, and I'm gonna ask it for you about you is. So what are you gonna be doing when you're thirty seven that makes a hundred and fifty thousand a year. I don't know. I. That's that's what we need to him out. Because it's not the track your own. It's not gonna take you there. Might be being business out of the music business. You got turned off on that somehow or you just got distracted trying to eat. Mostly. I just got turned off to it. And then I also got distracted because I wasn't finding anything and even with connections those making it wasn't going anywhere. So turtle locals rejection. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. I don't blame you for that. So maybe we broaden. So what was it about the business side of the music business that was attractive to you originally? I've always had a business mind always been very numbers minded as well as planning things and helping people reach the goals that need to be like. I fell in love with music, and I wanted to do I wanted to help the artists get to where they needed to go. And that was the passion that I had for that good for you know, we're talking. That's that's good. This is good. That's perfect. So there's lots of things you can do where you help people get where they wanna go. Man, they could even be doing something that you kind of our fan of like music or something else. She could be sports. It could be do the same thing. Sports. Right. You could help people get where they wanna go acting while you could help entertainers you help people get them where they wanna go. So you know, there's what I wanna do what I wanna do have you pan back if little bit. I'm thinking that your music business. The business side of music business might have been a little bit narrow in that cause you to have a smaller field from which you could get options. I might pan back. I wanna pan all the way back and go anything in business. That's too far back because it's not specific enough to give you a track to run on. Right. But I wanna pan back far enough that I have more than two options or three options to work for to get this going or two or three things to do. So bottom line is you have an administrative gift and a math gift, and you see business models in your mind. Like, I do I'm the. Same way that makes us entrepreneurial and business minded you have a natural business accurate in my wrong. That's correct. That's such you up to a whole lot of different things. Almost too many different things virtually any business. Archly any business accept what you're doing? Now could utilize that you're using none of those gifts where you are. And that's why you're underpaid by double you should be making ninety Bunn o. Okay. And so I'm not picking on you. I'm just saying we gotta get you back to using your gifts. Because that's where the money is for everybody. When we use. When you get when you use your gifts. That's where you make your money. And so and you and I have enough things in common here that that I can my brain kind of works like yours. And so I can kind of see that. So what you need to do is figure out like three or four different things that touched the same nerve that the music business touched for you where you can apply these gifts in a way that helps you help people that was a big thing. So the financial planning field our Smartvestor pros. For instance, they help people do the exact same thing. You're talking about from a finance perspective that coaching them along you could be in a situation where you're running a business for someone and being, you know, being a general manager of a whatever you could fall in love with construction and be running the office and helping the business run that builds houses for people that is their dreams. I mean, that's exact same thing. But in a very. Different weird way. But it's touching the same nerve. And using the same gifts in my wrong. Now that you made me fall in love with holiday. That's just gotta look at it that way. Now, you don't wanna use your business accurate in a way that you cannot see how people are helped because that will dry you up and shoot you. You won't you'll die. Okay. But you gotta you gotta be able to see the end of it and say, this is how I use these gifts. And and when I do people are served in this way, and I see my customer smiling because I use these gifts with this company or in this career field. And then that gets you there kin Coleman is our Ramsey personality that coaches people on careers. He does a great job. He has a podcast called the Ken Coleman show also lab xo, Sirius XM is a new book coming out next week called the proximity principle, and it's all the proven strategy that will lead you to the career you love you desperately need this book. And I'm going to send you one. The stuffy talks about in that book getting in proximity with the people that are doing the things you want to do and the places where the things you wanna do or happening and defining. What is you wanna do then you can get back on track? But you're right. You have shoveled problem you defined it properly. You've analyzed your situation. You're very self aware. You've got a good handle on where you are. You cannot stay where you are. It is not a good plan. It's not working. I mean, the math forty five thousand dollar income plus extra jobs with two hundred thousand dollars student loan. That math is very very hopeless. And the good news. Is you don't have to stay there. Right. And it may it may take you a year to get this fixed and the income going, but at least let's get on track to where the thirty seven year old you look back at the twenty seven year old you in the goes way to go girl. Hold on. I'm gonna have Kelly pickup. We're gonna send you a copy of the book the proximity principle. We'll get it to you as a gift like come out next week. But I know a guy open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. Matt is in salt lakes up sign yet. I'm going to Matt Malcolm. But you have to the break, we'll do that high. Graduation season is almost here. If you have a college grad in your life, graduated from college same situation, she's in the proximity principle, the proven strategy that will lead to the career you love. It's a brand new book from Ken Coleman. You don't wanna miss it? It's only nineteen ninety nine. And if you buy it before it comes out next week, you can all the pre purchase bonus items twenty dollars worth of free items, which includes the book and video from Ken as well. Also, we've got for your high school reg, which the graduate survival guide bestseller five mistakes. You can't afford to make in college by Anthony, Neil and Rachel Cruze Ramsey personalities. All sale today. Only fifteen ninety nine pick. Both of these at daveramsey dot com, they make great gifts, by the way. They've Ramsey dot com or call Ramsey concert. Here's a triple eight twenty two peace. Aaa two two seven three two two three. Salt Lake City. Welcome that I've Ramsey show. Thank you. Sure. Just for my parents, dad, sixty five in my mom's sixty three and over the past five or ten years here towards the end up kind of their careers. They've had some business adventures cope bad and some financial up in ups and downs, and they found themselves a couple years ago in quite a bit of debt with very little income. And so I was I've been involved in trying to help them kind of figure out a solution for the and they had quite a bit of equity in their home. It was much too big for their needs. And so we've just gone through the process of having them downsize and sell their home, and they're now debt free, and they have their six months and see find in place. Good start. Yeah. So we're kind of now in the situation where there's a little bit money of money leftover after finishing the emergency fund. And so we're talking about. What would the next step be the next step of the next, however long they work I can make as much money as they can't do they save as much as they can for retirement. Should they save to buy a house to live in outright once they retire? So that they have a secure place to live the home. They're living in is not a paid for. So so the home they were leaving in the one they're living. They don't already. Yeah. So I guess I should have clarified. So they downsized meaning they they actually moved into parliament that we have. Right now right now, they don't own a home. Correct. Okay. And how much money they have an excessive their emergency fund probably about twenty thousand Toca. Good, right. Cool. Okay. So here's here's the thing. By the time. We their income is gone. Whatever the year that is seventy five years old seventy years old, whatever. Okay, whenever they stop earning money. We need to have our goal is to get them a paid for home. And as big a nest egg as we can build. That's our goal. They really don't have any other goals. Right. Okay. And so I'm gonna work on both of those at the same time. But we're going to buy a home in the future that we can get paid off by that date. What is the what's the price of the home? They just sold. The price of the home. They just sold was seven hundred and fifty thousand. Wow. And what are they earn? So they they're in this process. You know, my mom had retired. She was a schoolteacher. She went back to work eating. And my dad got a new job until they come now is quite good. It's about one hundred forty thousand a year on their nominal. That's a great answer. They're doing all the right things and your coaching them. Well, apparently good job. Okay. So we're going to do is. I'm aiming at a two hundred maximum two fifty house that they can get paid off. We're looking at ten years. Because we have to pay it off in ten years. That's if your dad's working to seventy five, okay, and the house is paid for because you need a paid for house to say into because paying house payment is gonna mean you'd have to have a bigger nest egg. That's not a plan because one's offset the other. Then now pass sub we got two hundred thousand our house. We lay that out with a schedule to pay that off in the next seven to ten years. We get into the house first. And then we get it paid off all seven to ten years from today. Okay. Okay. Lay that money out any money, we can find above that in the written budget that they do every month is going to go into their nest egg, we're load up retirement accounts to get ready to have an income in addition to social insecurity. But I think they can probably end up with about a half a million dollars and paid for house. If they both worked ten years. I think you would. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. That's okay. I think I'm not positive, but I think they can't. Yeah. So so your recommendation would be for them to find something. Now, put would they would they maybe maybe next maybe next year twenty thousand dollars not point go cut it because you're PM. I write so save is much as they can which they think they can save about sixty grand this year be ready and then next year they buy and then they'll find something that they can pay off with him than anything above that. They'll just sock away and save I'm thinking to fifty and I put it off seven year schedule worst case worst case ten years because the faster we get that sucker paid off the more. We can throw to the nest egg, right? Yeah. Right. If we. Oh, sorry. You're fine. Go ahead. The follow up question would be. So both of them have a match at work, very small very small amount. Thought would be that they should do that. Yes. It's free money. Yes. And they desperately need every dollar then get right now. And then the fall of question to that is should they consider maybe not this year? I guess that they're saving for the down payment. But when should they this year invest in there Ross while they have the time or fine. I I would put fifteen percent of your their income into retirement right now, and I gave on beans and rice and throw everything down payment. I would purchase a home twelve to twelve eighteen months from today put it on a shorter schedule as you can tenure fifteen year schedule pay it off in seven years is the plan may be ten years. And then what you've got that in place, then above a above attacking the house on that schedule lay schedule out, even regardless of what the payment is you. You you lay out of schedule to get the house paid for above that, then load up retirement. So you wouldn't attack the house harder and sacrifice the next nesting building. If it's within the seven years. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna put at least fifteen percent and retirement, and at least have the house on a seven to ten year schedule, a that I'm going to roll more towards retirement here, you you really got this doll in you're going to be a huge help to. They've got the opportunity to save this hold on. I'm gonna send you a copy of Chris Hogan's book, retire inspired. Because he makes the case very strongly in there that it's never too late. And you're proving that right now dawn is with us dawns in cookeville, Tennessee, hi, Don. How are you? Are you better than I deserve? What's up? Well, I haven't question I don't really were to start. My husband, and I have been married for almost three years our second marriage his first wife passed away after an extended illness. I was divorced. I have two children the older child. Twenty nine is a small business owner self sufficient doing great, my younger child is on a full ride scholarship at my university. We're in really good financial shape. Both of us. We've really worked hard to get our act together. And we're doing very well. We have no credit card debt. We all we owe. For my question on the pro. The question is his son still lives in his house. He promised to sell his house. We were gonna move the my house his house is paid for. But he has allowed his thirty two year old son to stay in the home to live in the home. And my husband pays all the bills. All this keep utilities taxes insurance, everything and. I don't know. I had this discussion. What's he say? He really worked even talk to me about it. He tries to keep his marriage and his son and that helm separate from our marriage marriage problem. You're married to the whole, man. Now, here's here's what I think. I hear okay. I think your husband is very nice kind gentle man, isn't he? Yeah. And it has real problem. Tony's kid to get out. Yeah. That's code dependency. Right. That's giving drunk a drink. Because you think you're being nice. And when you support a thirty two year old so that he doesn't become a man, you're not helping him. You're hurting him at tried to tell him that. Eagle doesn't leave the nest eventually known as a Turkey. But are being ridiculous. I think out of the Bank account every month twenty seven hundred. Butchered ripen about the wrong thing. You have a wonderful husband. You're married to almost all enablers. Or the kindest gentlest people. They just don't have the they don't have the gumption to say notice somebody, and he needs to get the gumption Sino because he's actually bringing harm to his son. It's not that. You're Andy's not any shut you. Because he's a shame doing. Although I'm gonna send you a copy called boundaries that he needs to read. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Our scripture second news three thirteen and as for your brothers and sisters never tire of doing. What is good? David Brinkley said a successful man is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks others of thrown at it. Good. Classic. Our question that comes from blinds dot com, you can find out for yourself. Why blinds dot com is the number one online retailer of custom window coverings. You get free samples free shipping. And with the two new promos. They run every month, you'll save even more us. The magic word the promo code Ramsey. Today's questions from Aaron in Colorado. My husband, and I have been married for five years two years into our marriage. He was diagnosed with liver disease who've unfortunately, he had not purchased life insurance before his diagnosis. And now he is not been able to qualify. Of course, what life insurance options are there with P for people with pre existing conditions. Well, pre existing life threatening conditions is the key word. Well, number one, the thing you're gonna wanna do is follow the baby steps very closely because the more you build wealth in the more. You're clear of debt the less you have need for life insurance. In other words, if you're debt free, and you have a million dollars in mutual funds. You have no need for life insurance. You probably could survive on the investments were you God forbid to lose him? So in other words, asset building in debt freedom causes you to become ultimately, self insured. So that's your long term goal that didn't fix you today. Today, you've got to go with what's called guaranteed issue policies, and their basic basically gimmick policies in their roughly five times as expensive. It's guaranteed issue, regardless of medical condition, the biggest one and it's about five x what normal term insurance is. But it's insurance that he can actually get is mortgage life insurance. It's a complete gimmick. That's about five times more. So don't buy folks unless you cannot get life insurance. Otherwise, you just buy term insurance to pay off your house. But in your case, Aaron what you're going to do is get mortgage life insurance. Call your mortgage company. They would love to sell it to you them and got on the money on it. And that pays off the mortgage and the dots. That's nice chunk right there. That's a big help right there. Okay. Now to get other insurances number one. If you can get something through his work it through group policy work. It may be it's not always. But it may be guaranteed issue. And you may be able to load up on it there. That's probably the least expensive of all of them. You could find other guaranteed issue policies are typically the gimmick stuff you see on TV or it comes with your checking account that kind of thing you can get ten thousand dollars or that kind of thing. But some of those are like ten x in other words, what you paid for that ten thousand you if he were healthy he could about one hundred thousand in term. But at least you got something. So I mean, if you pick up four or five of those, and you've got some your pay, you know, you're not just getting slammed with the premiums too heavily. Maybe got fifty sixty thousand dollars extra coverage, and you got a mortgage paid off. You're starting to get to where you're in better shape. I doubt you're ever going to get to the ten to twelve times his income on him that we normally suggest because I don't know how to pull that off for you. Unless you just made it you'd pay you'd be paying too much for it to make it worthwhile. But let's get the house paid off and get some other cash around if God forbid something happens to him from some of the guaranteed issue policies beyond that what you would do. Of course, continued revisit his health with traditional insurance talk designer and find out under you know, what number of years and so forth. Can he can you get there in that kind of thing? So all right. Can you get can you actually get a policy issue? Caesar's weather's and Baltimore high-seas. How're you? How about yourself day that I deserve. What's up? I checked it in ministry, and we'll have to be moving from the country all the way to Idaho making that move in July. So the ministries painful moving expenses, we don't have to that doing. It's gonna be a significant like law since down grading payments from what I'm making now. So with that in my we decided use I start financial peace university. You know, knowing everything's going to be tighter and Idaho finish ones. But my question is this. Would it be okay to stay? They said one until July we move and just take this the next few months to just say that they say, but we have a little bit of a Christian when we move there for like first month's rent and to report movie selling a lot of stuff. That's exactly what you need to. That's exactly what they need to make the move and then start. So in a sense what you're doing? You're not staying up one year's pushing paws on your baby steps, you're pushing top paws on your total money makeover and your piling up cash to make the move. And then when the smoke clears any cash above thousand you got leftover after the move and your settled in and in a rhythm. Again, you use that when you push play on your debt snowball. If you had extra cash if there's other words, it's impossible to save too much because any cash you got leftover after this you're going to use to restart when you push play again James is with us in lewiston. Maine. Hi, james. How're you eight? Mr. Andrew, take my call. Sure, what's up? So my question is about two years ago. I purchase rental property in my my primary house, and I did to get drug payments and get out of that finally baby steps six, and then I got about thirty thousand equity in my apartment building. You know, I owe one hundred hundred six thousand on my health carriers would you recommend selling that up? Army Bill selling my truck and putting that toward the house and put me right around like sixty thousand my house and the snowball that what's your household? Oh. I make about sixty five much your apartment building. I thirty four and you know, appraises at like seventy thousand three unit. What about your home? What do y'all out? I o one hundred six we'll buy your truck. It's paid for eight four good. Okay. No. I keep it all let's just let's just work it in by be step six. Okay. You're slows down when you get the baby steps four five and six it's just gonna take you some time to work through that. But you'll get there. You know, you're you're not that far out one hundred thirty thousand dollars one hundred percent debt free with an apartment on a house. That's not a bad thing. Tucker is with us in San Diego, high Tucker. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hey, dave. Deserve. What's up? Awesome. So I just had a quick question for you newly married and we've been married for about two years, very happily issues or anything yet, and I'm working on pay off my debt, but I watch when he videos about a postal agreement, and I was just wanted wanna get your views on that for a newly married couple with no assets or anything like that you watch one of my videos, which said why would you need a post nuptial agreement? If you watch one of my videos, what it said. Yes. I did. Lady had like. Teacher assets. 'cause I'm falling your entire plan and plan on being a retired not going to. What per your plan is she not going with you on this journey, but she the one would you need a potion. Optional. Protect you from your wife and going on the journey with you. Yes. Why would you need to be protected from her? Both of our parents are divorced and. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for that. But here's the thing. There's probably a reason they're both divorced. And so the the old-fashioned marriage vows say for richer for poorer in sickness in health unto the all my worldly goods. I pledge the only time I recommend pre-nup or for that matter potion up, which very rare would be if someone has extreme on equal wealth, if you had ten million dollars in your Marianna allied who has nothing. Yeah. Probably would do that. So I told Sharon if I die, and she decides to get remarried that she would need a NUP. Because very likely whoever she's marrying would not have the same level of wealth that she would have extreme. And really it's not even to protect you from the person, you're marrying, it's to protect you from your crazy freaking relatives who have influence over them. That's the problem in these situations. And that's only when it's weird wealth. Do you're broke. You're starting off life together. Hold hands and look the rocking chair on the four ch. Vol, call the way, they're man. Don't talk about the. That puts us our that. I've Ramsey show in the books. We'll be back with you before you know, it in the meantime, remember there's only way to financial peace, and that's to walk daily with the prince of peace Christ Jesus this is James Childs producer of the Dave Ramsey show. Did you know you can now listen to the Dave Ramsey show on Pandora and Spotify for all the ways to watch. And listen, check out our show, pitting. Dave Ramsey dot com. Flash show. 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From Nurse to CEO: One Entrepreneurs Journey
"This podcast is brought to you by Knowledge Award Against Shelly Boys founder of Med risk. She found the company in one thousand nine hundred ninety four and was it C._E._o.. Until two thousand seventeen she's now the company's Executive Chairman Rea- speaking with totally about her entrepreneurial journey and it's lessons should he thank you so much for speaking with knowledge orden today my pleasure so I understand you have a bachelor's degree in nursing from viewed West Virginia. What made you want to become an entrepreneur? What's the story there well? I wasn't planning of being becoming an entrepreneur per se. It was just a journey that that led me there. I went to school in Virginia became nurse practiced here. The children's Hospital of Philadelphia then decided to leave to go into medical sales from there went to <hes> work for company that owned and operated medical clinics and it was during that time that I came back to school came to Wharton <hes> formalize my education and <hes> it was that time actually wrote about this business as a marketing plan was intended to be a business it was intended to be or marketing plan for the company that I worked for in and ended up turning into business and <hes> I left the company and when out of my own started men risk so could you explain a little bit about what the marketing plan was and what was the the problem you were trying to solve or the opportunity you're trying to uncover sure so I worked for a company that owned and operated physical medicine clinics and <hes> the concept was to help to manage in control the utilization in the cost of physical medicine particularly in the workers compensation space and so I took it to my employer is a marketing marketing plan to help us attract more pair clients and was not received so well because it was a cost containment strategy <hes> I then took it out to some clients and talk to them about the idea and again was not sort of well received because it was the chicken you know in the Hen House and then finally wrote about it as <hes> as a paradigm shift for for Wharton and so the problem that can just interrupt US air. Ah Is it true that you didn't get very good graded working either vote. Is that true. Oh yes that is that is what happened that is more than true. They were actually my third strike for strikers employer second strike whose clients Third Strike Said Well Certainly Paradigm Shift Business Plan for Warton. You know this'll this'll be my ticket to to to make to make it a go and I'll never forget getting that paperback and and it said P minus not know what the grading system is today but a p minus in one thousand nine hundred ninety four was a half an inch above failure <hes> and I was devastated although I'll give the professor credit because he wrote at the top of the page good idea you'll never get it off the ground though you have a chicken and egg problem I think I think I have that verbatim in my head still today take and he's right and in in in that that really was one of the early objections that I need to overcome to launch to launch the business who took I'd love to understand what executive is going on here. Because when your employer the customers in the professor all felt that this is not good at work what was their objection and what is it about the idea that still kept you going well. I think that their objection stemmed from which one of the three I was I was talking to and so I think all three of them were different and before I sort of go through each one you know I think that the way that I looked at that is that it's not in my mind. A failure of an idea it was they were objecting waiting to something and there was a problem that I needed to solve for each one of them and by solving if I were able to solve those three problems I then felt like you know I I could make this could make this ago and so if you think about back in the you know the early nineties most of our healthcare system was delivered through bricks and mortar people going directly to a facility and getting treatment and basically finding owning allow those facilities on their own and so part of the concept was to not own these clinics <hes> but this concept was to create a network of clinics which is very widespread today but back in the nineties less though <hes> and so it was is to basically contract with clinics and act as a network act as a go-between hence the chicken and the egg a go-between between pairs and providers and we were then sort of the intermediary between clean those two creating value for payers by getting them to the right providers helping to save money getting injured workers care faster and then from the provider's perspective they received of patients and we did all their back end administrative work for for them so we were sort of a go-between between those two <hes> and like I said the employer didn't like the idea because they owned clinics and they just wanted to feed either own clinics. The clients did like the idea because they saw us as a company that own clinics and therefore you're not going to be unbiased. You're just gonNA feed your own. Clinics and Wharton didn't like the idea because I didn't have payers payers and I didn't have providers therefore I'm stuck in the middle and I didn't have either one to get me off the ground. So how'd you to modify your plan in order to make it fly so I think it so if you go back to each of those three groups it taught me a couple of lessons one. It should not have been housed inside a company that owned a dome clinics it needed to be its own business so that gave me validation that it should be its own business <hes> and that would take care of basically objection number one in objection number two objection number three which was probably the toughest which is the you don't have payers and you don't have providers so how you GonNa Leverage one to get to the other and so we created this <hes> will you bought if I build will you buy and so basically we went out to payers <hes> because they have the leverage and we said to a group of payers. We've found an early adopter we said head. Do you like the concept. Do you believe that will help. Injured workers get back to work faster and sooner and they will get good care and that ultimately will save money for you as well and they said yes so. If we build old this network will you buy and they said yes so they basically wrote us a letter in his own typewritten one paragraph we took that paragraph found every provider in the in the tri-state area and I think we started with the Delaware Valley region I and sure enough they said well. This is a really big payer so I'm going to get patients from this pair. I'll sign up and that's really sort of what leveraged want to get to get to the other that that grew from there that's remarkable story because normally people say that entrepreneurs need to win supporters in order to make the business fly but in York is it almost seems like does who objected to your idea actually helped to make your idea stronger and better well. They certainly helped <hes> these hurley helped me feel stronger in terms of the conviction of the idea no doubt but I think that having to solves problems and overcome those objections <hes> ultimately helped really leveraged getting the bit the business off the ground one of the challenges that have heard many entrepreneurs talk about is the difficulty of raising the initial capital. And hiring the first team who can help to execute on the idea. How did you deal with those issues as you were getting metric off the ground <hes> so I guess if you back up for second can you think about you need to have a good programmer product? You need to have great people and then you need some resources and I think what oftentimes happens is people view that not necessarily in the right order if you've got a good idea and you've got great people that are completely compassionate and passionate about the idea and totally convicted to it <hes> you will find money. I mean I say money it's cheap but but you will find you will find money if you really focus on on number one and number two and so <hes> I think wine was sort of making sure that we had the right idea and then secondly whenever you're hiring people whether you're starting starting up or whether you're you know one hundred million dollar company or whether you're market cap of of a billion dollars. It's really about finding the right people for where you are in your life cycle and that will change so who you are and what you need as a startup is often times very different than who you are and what you need is the company grows but finding the right people and putting him in the right place I mean I know everyone says that it probably sounds cliche but it is it is so true and I think our philosophy admission risk is when you look to hire people don't go look for people who are looking for job. Go find go interview and talked everybody you know to find out who's the best and the brightest find a way to hunt them down and then stay on him until the agreed victory to come on board with you stock up what kind of people apple to go hunting for what I think some of the <hes> well obviously a great team has needs to have a lot of diversity and so that's in that also changes over over time and in growing and growing business <hes> I think you can always teach someone skillset <hes> but you can't teach them a demeanor culture a personality and whether that fits within the culture of your organization and I think that AH is so true to what we believe in finding the right people and <hes> many of those tend to be people that have in some of the tougher ones but some of the ones that you really WanNa get right are there's people that have external facing responsibilities so what defines the mattress culture. Oh I think I think we've been pretty true over the years to no matter how big we are always have an open door treat everybody equally with respect and everyone has a role to play and we really are and I know it sounds cliche shaved looking reading emails early this morning and the motivation of people in Hell we treat each other you know they were saying you know you've rock and I think that type of spirit and that type of of <hes> inclusion an open communication is really sort of defined sort of who we are as a as a culture and has you know create a great strides for the leadership position that we've taken in the industry trey asks you went from being a startup to basically national network in I think forty nine states <hes> what was somewhat the key issues that you faced in terms of scaling up your operations. Are there any stories you can tell about the challenges faced and how you dealt with them at different stages. Oh well <hes> cut me off when I when I show share too many I would say the first one is sort of a lack of scale in that <hes> our first client <hes> we actually lost it was actually second class. Take that back but the second client we actually lost so we're getting his great momentum really starting in the business and the client came to us. We're scaling up albeit small and they said you don't know what you don't know. You haven't figured everything out. Call me when you get it right and we were devastated <hes> but didn't look back and I think you know one of the lessons I will remember that day very clearly we sit her name was Mary Beth the client and we said there were seven of US worked at the at the company at the time we were scaling up to about twenty for this and I and and so we went around we said we're GONNA have seven business cards and she gave me seven business cards and sure enough we put one on everybody's phone and we said every time you answer the phone you're GonNa look at this business card and you're GonNa think of her and you're GonNa think of having lost his client and we're going to get her back in that sort of propelled us to that determination of doing what we needed to do due to figure out all the not all but many of the lessons that we had figured out on the first round and they did come back then they were client and they've been acquired multiple times over but they're still wind today and that's twenty twenty five twenty five years is later <hes> but I think one of the lessons that we learned from that is appliance have different attitudes around their ability to take risk even insurance companies during the rest business but many of them aren't risk-takers and so really finding the right clients for where you are in your product. Life Cycle is extremely important so theoretically you've probably should've never brought her on his client because she wasn't risk-taker those that are helped wanting to be on the front end really being innovative and really grow is the kind of clients you want when you're just starting out although you're so hungry you'll take anybody I'll fast forward to another story probably about <hes> we were about two hundred million maybe in revenue and trying to scale and we'd hired some new folks <hes> and operational folks and they came from a background where outsourcing was very predominant and so so we decided that scale and create the efficiencies we sorta were convinced that okay it's okay to outsource so we spent the better half of six months close those two year outsourcing many job functions it was so hard leading team members go as a result of that and during that process we also let some of our her customer service inside but inside customer service facing folks be outsource disaster absolute disaster and these were people that were scripted scripted and and we're really even though when the healthcare business were really relationship business too and if your job is to work with payers and injured workers you don't want to hand that off to someone with the script and they just didn't have they were all about the numbers and not about <hes> the face on the other side of the phone and not a whole rule the room for empathy zero you know because their job was was was was very was very very scripted. I can tell you that it almost took us down. I mean it it was that devastating almost tanked the company. There were times that you know we were like. Are we going to be able to pull this this ship back together and once again it's rallying to get the right people. We also hired made some some <hes> some employment. Employment changes hired the the right people focused on insourcing everything that we outsourced and you know it took us about <hes> how would save three to five years to really really fully get that back and to have clients and really see that ramp up in the five hundred seven hundred million dollar range you know t to to really take the company to the to the next level island and it's so paid off but boy. What a painful lesson no? I think that's that's an amazing story especially because outsourcing is often seen as a coup sort of cost panacea for so many <hes> group situations but your your experience was quite different. It can be but but certainly not in in our situation and no one knows your business better than you do and you know I think that that <hes> bringing all that back in house we've sort of haven't looked back from that sense. When a company is on a growth track I mean one of the ways in which <hes> many companies try to grow is through acquisitions and I understand that <hes> you had <hes> your own experience with an acquisition of medical diagnostic because those management what was that like in? What lessons did you learn to that experience? We're telling all are learning lessons today. That was a big another big learning lesson for us. We were at a time and we were probably Oh three hundred million in revenue I would say and we were trying to decide to we grow deep or do we grow and breath so it was a breath or strategy and in in our space there's lots of Ansari's and so what several other people in the business we're doing is that they were acquiring businesses and going across the answer areas and being more of a conglomerate or an aggregate or and so <hes> we to thought gee this is a great time to to do that as well. We Think WE'LL Buy Radiology Company Radiology and physical medicine <hes> or very synergistic so we'll put those together other will get clients synergies revenue synergies and and and great breadth in and diversity to grow the business sounds great strategy doesn't it right <hes> but in actuality what happened is unbeknownst to us and this was primarily a California based company they were national but they really didn't have much of a national footprint and they were primarily like I said California based <hes> couple things happen. Probably the most shocking talking was about three and a half months after the acquisition California <hes> implemented a new fee schedule and turned a profitable business non-profitable unprofitable overnight so we went for making small acquisition so we be financed internally. We didn't have to raise capital for but small business making a small profit losing money literally overnight so oh that was number one <hes> we still thought okay. There's you know several other states in the country so we started the footprint of expanding into other states and I think the other big lesson that we learn from that. was you know it didn't it was coming into the market is a startup up when the market was really in that segment of the business was really maturing more than others and so to be successful in that business you needed scale and you needed scale fast and that was difficult to achieve given situation California given the fact that we didn't have providers and clients in a national footprint in third and probably what what's most important in the one that that really sort of unsafe forehand but how does understand why why it's time to let go is we then pull back and realized how much opportunity we had to really do what we did and physical medicine in do it better and do it so well that we can narrowly focused on that business and really really did not want the diversion of a small startup business that was struggling line so we we chose to peel back in narrowly focused on going deep and you know double the revenue in a couple of years again very very interesting and important story <hes> I believe even two thousand Seventeen Carlisle group acquired a majority stake in mid risk. How how did that come about in? How did you teen handle that transition so I guess there last question is how the handle it it was seamless? I and I'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute but how that came about <hes> it was actually our second <hes> belt around with private equity we <hes> when I started we raise money with angels so it was it was friends. Not Many family members not that we had a lot of family to tap into <hes> but also I didn't WanNa go Thanksgiving dinner and talk about you. Know is the business profitable so you have to have some downtime somewhere right so so the angel investors that money was really carried us <hes> for about twenty one years and then we decided we were going to go into the providence would he space and can raise some some capital do minority recap to get our our angels for their their investment back and so we did a minority recap with a group called Ta Associates Their High Growth Fund out of Boston <hes> Great Group <hes> and and we were with them for about not quite two years about eighteen nineteen months and we did about two point eight two point eight almost three times return for them in less than two years so everybody was happy on that first round and <hes> and then when we then <hes> decided to go from T._A.. To then do a majority recap we'd already sort of learned many of the lessons of had to deal with with that type of investor and so now I think we felt more comfortable about taking the next step <hes> and interviewed <hes> several folks <hes> and and chose the Carlisle group in that's was again moving from a minority to to a majority <hes> they <hes> we judge folks basically on <hes> two main two main reasons or two main ones that culture fit if you don't have right culture fit with your financial partners and you know you're gonNA hit some bumps in the road. Everybody Body Does No. That's could be a death sentence <hes> or certainly an unpleasant time right <hes> and we haven't had any of those yet but we're prepared if when we do but the one you have to have right culture fit and then second you want to find investors that can help you grow and Carlisle met both of those and they've been a great partner so far <hes> you know they're much more in terms of <hes> growth much more in the transformative type of growth were T._A.. was much more about small Tuck in acquisitions. Carlisle group is is you know very large and and really likes to do large transformative type type of type of things in terms of the team. You asked how that went and <hes> I would. I mean perfect it. You know Mike Ryan was <hes> the president at the at the at the time we had <hes> <hes> transition tim before we four. We started the Carlisle minority majority. We you know I I moved Mike from President C._E._O.. And in fact I mean in many respects he was already acting as the C._E._o.. And and he we now have a great relationship and so it wasn't sort of a difficult if any hand off at all it really was was was very <hes> very seamless in years so many stories where that's not the case where C._e._o.'s are moving are. Handing off to other C._E._O.'s why did you pick him as a C._E._o.. What qualities did did you see from among other possible possibilities that made into right fit? Oh that lists could go on and on on <hes>. He is just truly dynamic leader the there is not sort of. I don't know if I can name one person that doesn't either in the company or outside of the company doesn't respect <hes> <hes> most part like Mike Mike Ryan he <hes> he was working for an insurance company at the time <hes> when I hired him about seven or eight years ago and I said I said to a friend of mine who is the best leader Europe sales in the industry. WHO's the best one he's Oh I know a person but you'll never get him? I said just introduced me to them so they introduced me to to Mike and it took about six months before he accepted the job and quick funny story before he accepted the job. I was actually waiting to get a callback hoping that he would accept the job and I was on vacation but near my phone not so close to near my phone that it went to voicemail and he was actually Ashley calling me to tell me he was going to reject the job. It wasn't GonNa take the good news. My voicemail was full so he never got to deliver the message. I then got back to to the states three days later and and over the course of those three days later then accepted the job when I got back <hes> but but but <hes> more on sort of Mike as leaders so he came in he came in during that very transformative transition period where we were really at a time where the business had outsourced and we needed in source in rallying folks getting clients rallied I because his job was started in sales and then moved on to <hes> to be the president really rallying the team members around bound you know getting that hunger in that passion and bringing all that back in house <hes> is really sort of second to none. It's just it's remarkable to to to disorder see him an action. He's probably one of a few people that I know that <hes> can fire somebody and they'll thank him for and so he's very open I mean if if if he sees something that's not right right he's he's. He's very open his style and any dozen in a way that's very direct <hes> but but people appreciate that and he's got an incredible <hes> team of supporters so thank you when you think back about your entrepreneurial journey. What do you think is the biggest leadership challenge of fist? How did you deal with it? And what are you learn from it. Biggest leadership challenge I would say I would say to not and they're somewhat related and they both relate back to people want about other people in the other about yourself. I think that one of the biggest leadership challenges in was as the mentioned this earlier is the company grows sort of the needs of the organization in therefore so do to the talents and the needs of the people and that can go both toward other people in towards yourself and so for other people there were certain points of time where people that had started in the business business at a certain point needed to change roles or someone needs to be higher than them in the hierarchy of the organization or maybe they need to go do something else and those were personally painful full decisions and very difficult decisions as a leader to make and <hes> but I think that for the health of the organization that's what a leader has to do right so so they were painful but really had to be done the the second one and again somewhat related is around me in that who I was and what I did when we started the business was not going to be what the company needed at certain milestones throughout throughout its its growth and so you know to be the C._E._o.. When zero revenue and continue to be the C._E._O.? When you know exceeds five hundred million revenue I had to be in really enjoy being a professional learner so not only did I have to learn? I also had to adapt and change and I think that you know it's been a wonderful journey for me in learning and growing and always sort of seeking to do better but that's not easy you know and it's not easy to let go thing sometimes and so that's just <hes> it's it's been life-changing for me but <hes> but but very worth Indian. How would you say your experience in Madrid has shaped you as an entrepreneur? I would say shaped me. There's probably defined me so it's it's you know you meet a lot of entrepreneurs out there that are for serial entrepreneurs that that like to take a company to a certain point and and and start over and go to the next one and for me it was really about taking this you know as in really growing with the business and watching the business grow and really feeling like you're a part of it and the fact that you can impact so many so many lives <hes> and so that that journey has really sort of define me and as an entrepreneur and when I when I go and I join meeting with these a young budding entrepreneurs in and you hear their their stories and you sorta think back oh my gosh I remember when <hes> it's it's really it's it's satisfying and is rewarding to think that there's some small part of knowledge you can impart aired on them. We thought it would what you will be doing next. Oh I don't really know I mean I. I'M STILL INVOLVED IN MED risk <hes> and enjoy that I'm dabbling in a few other things and <hes> I don't have <hes> I'm not ready to retire my brain yet so I'm not ready to exit into the sunset or sit on the beach <hes> so I'm I'm enjoying dabbling in some few things enjoy still hanging around Metra's can sort of thinking about and looking at <hes> what my options are for for what's next so not sure but more to come one last question <hes>. What advice would you give aspiring entrepreneurs? Oh I think that <hes> I think that lists could <hes> could go on. If I were to boil that down. <hes> I think the most entrepreneurs we haven't talked about this today but I think most entrepreneurs have some defining moment where they don't doubt themselves as to whether they're gonNa do this or not. Do It isn't GonNa win. Is it GONNA fail my making the right decision. There is some tipping pointer turning point and you'll know when you get it and then when you get that you've got to be truly convicted not to look back and you only look forward and if you ever sorted out you Luger numbers set your number two client you know <hes> then you remember that tipping point and you remember the remember. The points is I'm not I'm not looking. I'm not looking back and and you don't and it's a wild ride. It's a life changing experience. It's and you just have to keep going and looking forward surround yourself with really smart people people. They're smarter than you know a lot of people out there that they're smarter than me and so constantly looking for the best of the best <hes> and however however you need capital along the way whether you do it with angels or minority or majority. Just make sure that that that it's fits right. I'm sure you thank you so much speaking with knowledge at warden such a pleasure speaking with you well you're quite welcomes pleasure.
Virginia Scandals Draw Attention To The Dehumanizing History Of Blackface
"Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the UPS store, offering services from shredding to printing to mailbox ING and instead of closing this holiday. The UPS store is doing another ING altogether. Opening the UPS store every ING for small business. And of course, shipping this week has people across the country looking back at their yearbooks. That's because Virginia has been rocked by political scandal involving an old yearbook photo and black face both the state's governor and attorney general have admitted to wearing black face decades ago. Florida's secretary of state recently resigned for posing as an African American Katrina victim and this week the fashion house Gucci pulled a sweater that looked like black face. NPR's Debbie Elliott has this look at the history and prominence of black face in American culture at the Virginia capital this week Fredericksburg businessman. Kevin Williams struggled to understand why anyone would black in their face. Who is that funny too is it's not funny. There's nothing funny about black face Williams is African American and has lost fate than the elected officials caught up in the scandal is unnerving to me that there are people still today that think that that's okay. And it's just it's just not at the American. Civil war museum in Richmond CEO Christie. Coleman says there's a lack of understanding about black face. They're literally watching black people in their moments of levity and privacy, that's being invaded. And then co-opted and distorted there's violence to that black face has been around since the eighteen thirties, I showing up in minstrel shows where white actors would perform as black characters. It's really the first truly American theater. Historian, Greg Campbell at the library of Virginia says it was an early form of popular entertainment and largely in northern and midwestern cities, I grew up in a small town in Newham. Mm Scher Monnet cleaned out. My great aunt's house. There was a minstrel program. Our town had no black people in it. So this was not like a southern thing. It was an American thing. An American thing that used exaggerated stereotypes of black people says de Wanda in Reese, she's curator of music and performing arts at the national museum of African American history and culture in Washington DC, they're lazy. They're unintelligent. They're prone to thievery crooks by the turn of the century, the racist caricatures were popularized in vaudeville, and eventually radio TV and film. Here's a record from nineteen twenty eight you rob John Smith's hen house. All no, no. And no that was home that night. What night the night I robbed at him house. That's a recording from New York of a comedy act called the two black crows the white actors where black face blobby, hats and have big quite lips recess. A roster of these kinds of recurring characters developed the mammy figure. There's also the figure of Jim crow jump. Jim crow a PBS series created jump. Jim crow. Galvin? Boy, I'm just from Toko home. I'm glad to seeing a little form. My name's Jim crew. And to be aiding that caricature, it proliferated and came to stand for segregation, racism and treatment unfair in an humane treatment of African Americans recess for many Americans, particularly outside the south. These popular images were the only lens to view African Americans. And it was a distorted view you can see that through exhibits at the museum over here up. Here we have Sambo figure with a black face with enlarged white lips. And then the laughing figure with the big bulbous eyes and red lips and mouth the minstrel. Caricature. Started showing up on toys games books, even postcards everyday household items. Re says there was a tremendous market for them. You really see how starts to shape people's attitudes. Along race and the prejudices and biases that come out of what's happening in Virginia, re says provide something visceral and concrete to have an honest dialogue about race and the dehumanizing impact of black face, Debbie. Elliott NPR news Richmond Virginia. This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast.
The Gig Economy Distortion
"Taxes per rod where we just ten minutes to get you smarter on the Clinton of tech business and politics sponsored by bridge Bank. Be bold venture wisely. I'm Dan per Mak on today's show unicorns take Manhattan and a FOX in Starbucks hen house, the first not all jobs are created equal. So as you've probably heard, particularly if you follow President Trump's Twitter feed America has the lowest unemployment rate in decades. We've also had over one hundred months of consecutive job growth in all time record that dates back to the middle of President Obama's first term. But those numbers and several other pieces of important labor. Data are being distorted by the so-called gig economy, which includes everything from Uber drivers to the folks from task rabbit who now help you put together Kia furniture. At least that's the message of a new paper from the Dallas Federal Reserve, which notes that many gig economy workers report themselves employed, rather than a self employed or as contractors, even though they are very much, self employed or contractors, in fact, several gig economy companies have even gone to court to keep it that way. Way since contractors often have fewer job protections and benefits than do actual employees. And as that number of not really employees grows that distortion also expands. In fact, there's been some argument that it explains why are decreasing unemployment hasn't led to inflation a situation that's at the economic heart of President Trump's very public spat with the Federal Reserve the bottom line. The gig economy is disrupting much more than just taxis and retail in twenty seconds. We'll go deeper with markets editor Dion ruin the first this the equity fund resources group at bridge Bank is a central hub for the venture capital and private equity communities, offering banking services for funds partners in their portfolio companies bridge. Banks financial solutions are designed for the entire innovation. Ecosystem and include creative credit solutions. Robust treasury and cash management capabilities and a suite of international banking products. Bridge Bank is a division of western alliance. Bank bridge Bank, be bold venture wisely. We're joined now by axios markets editor Dion Rohan Dion one of the arguments. The Dallas fed seems to be making its paper is that the rise of gig economy workers makes the headline employment or the headline unemployment figure less relevant maybe because it under plays labor slack. What does that mean? What is labor slack labor slack is basically just how much more there is for the labor force to tighten up as an how many more people could realistically come into the job market unemployment has kind of a cap really in terms of, you know, there are just some people who aren't going to get jobs. So you get to a point where you run out of slack. And the rope is tied is a compulsively be. I would say though, that I don't know that the Dallas fed is saying that this makes the unemployment report less relevant. I would say that it's distorting it kind of as you said in the intro. It's making it seem like there is less unemployment than there is or there's more employment than there actually is. Is there a solution to take an Uber driver? Right. I mean, how should we consider that employment? Simply as a contractor do. We have to care if they are actually. Not only just driving forty hours a week. But actually getting paid to drive forty hours a week since these gig economy workers often are on the clock, but only actually get paid when they're they've got a passenger in the backseat. Right, exactly. And they also aren't getting insurance benefit fail. So aren't getting a lot of the other things that traditional employee would get like unemployment insurance, for example. So when they do fall out of the employment, if they lose their job as Newburgh driver or doing, you know, working with task, rabbit, whatever it is. They don't have that cushion that the government typically provides workers, and that could also distort things once we hit another recession. So there are a number different things. But to answer your question, it's really complicated process because there isn't something in these categorisations for someone who works in the gig economy where is the contract. I mean, there's contractor, but a lot of these people typically contract would mean is different from what it means today because as you said, someone can work forty eighty hours a week and still not be employed from your perspective is this simply a case of the communists. Whether they. Government, economists, even private economists simply just not having kept up with the times yet, and they're just going to be this lag. And they'll get there eventually because labor market changes labor communists, eventually pick that up you'd hope. So right. And that I think what this Dallas fed paper is getting out that there needs to be some kind of change in the way that we report or the way that people report their employment situation, the change in terms of people and that how they've categorized as figured out. How big it is or how big the number of people as by those people that are paying the self employment tax. So a lot of people are categorizing themselves as employed, but they also pay the self employment tax, which would suggest you're not employed. So they've gotta take some action that number is risen from about. Ten percent to about thirteen percent between nineteen ninety and two thousand nineteen which doesn't seem like a lot until you realize you're talking about a country of two hundred fifty million to three hundred million people during that time. It's an interesting thing because I mean, obviously, these are boxes that's that. Somebody checks off in the way somebody reports, but it almost just that some of these economy companies are doing a pretty good job. Job of marketing to their own workers their own contract workers, basically convincing them, they're employed. We hear about the Uber lift drivers strikes at cetera. But it would appear that most of the folks who are working for these companies view themselves employs, even though they're not lifting Hoover and other companies certainly encouraged that, but I also think there is a tendency of people to have pride in their work and have pride in having a job. And we don't really have a definition for word other than employed for having a job. These people have jobs, but they're technically not employed in the labor markets to typical sense the word. So I think it just goes back to the idea that, you know, as a person you want to have a job, you wanna be taking care of your family, and you know, that all that American jazz about you know, being a self made man and whatnot. You don't wanna say, hey, you know, I'm underemployed missing out on all these things missing on health insurance. And when you get that form, it's like employed, I have a job, no problem. So Dan, I wanted this to big things that have been talked about by. Labor communists are big puzzles that they've been unable to solve the last several years and one has been the relative lack of inflation, given the low unemployment usually the lower the unemployment number the higher the inflation, or at least those things usually are working together. And secondarily that while there has been waged growth there hasn't been as much wage growth as you would expect given the stock markets and given again, the low level unemployment is the Dallas fed suggesting that the gig economy is playing a big role in both of those anomalous. Yeah, I'm really glad you asked that question because the answer is they're saying, please a role. It's not the role at the end of the day. What's been happening over the past thirty years is that people that run companies board CEO's top level managers have been taking a larger and larger share of total company profits and the folks in the middle and at the bottom are just getting squeezed out. And so they're being pushed into these self employment contracts. They're having their wages benefits cut, and as these companies have grown their stock prices of growing their shareholders have gotten bigger and bigger Divet. Bends, and, you know, share buybacks grow the price goes up, but people who actually work workers are not getting in a share of that are getting a smaller and smaller and smaller piece of that pie. That's what's really going on. And part of this puzzle. Though is the fact that a lot of people who should be reporting himself unemployed or underemployed because they're working these contract jobs are not. So again, it's it's part. It's a piece that I think labor market economists have been looking at and saying wait, there's another thing here. And this is that other thing here, but the big deal, and the big takeaway here is just know with happening is corporations are taking the lion's share of all the new games that are coming in and not really sharing that with anyone to workers access markets editor, Dan, rebel. And thank you so much for joining us my final two right after this the equity fund resource group at bridge Bank is a central hub for the venture capital and private equity communities. Leveraging nearly two decades of expertise delivering solutions to emerging technology and growth companies bridge Bank now offer services for fun. SPIC's and general partners, including creative credit solutions. Robust treasury management capabilities and a suite of international banking services bridge, Bank, a division of western alliance Bank e bold venture wisely. Now, it's for my final two. And I is Wall Street where a pair of tech unicorns last night raised more money than expected in their initial public offerings. The better known company was Pinterest. The social book marking site that raised one point six billion dollars. The not quite so well known was video conferencing companies zoom which raised seven hundred and fifty million. Now, why it matters is that there have been big concerns that there could be soft investor interest in buzzy tech IPO's following lifts big stock slide, but it didn't play out that way, arguably because Uma profitable and Pinterest while still unprofitable does seem to have a visible path from red to black. In other words, each unicorn get the judge on merits not as heard and finally Chinese coffee chain a luck. In today. Raised one hundred fifty million dollars a new venture capital funding as a battle Starbucks for local supremacy. But most notable is that most of that money one hundred twenty five million came from BlackRock the US investor that is also Starbucks is second largest outside shareholder. After so for BlackRock, maybe it's a hedge. Or maybe a believes there'll be multiple winners, particularly Starbucks focuses more on in store coffee purchases, and look and focuses more on delivery. But either way it's got a tick off Starbucks as looking as eaten into its market share in part by offering deep discounts that black rocks investment will only perpetuate and we're done big. Thanks for listening to my producer Tim show. Vers have a great national animal crackers day. We'll be back on Monday with another pro rata podcast.
Amanda Wight, HSUS, Against Trophy Hunting
"This is a remake of a segment that we did on a really windy and bad traffic day and interestingly they're having that up in Ohio which is why Laura Hakeas is with us. Amanda is Wildlife Protection Manager at the Humane Society of the United States. Those are my dogs getting into a downstairs. Probably because somebody is at the front door I will close the studio door that are. They found a cat who will run from them. Yeah isn't that it's not. It's not the fight and then it stops the fight that it sounds like anything. Good guard dogs though. Well well this is the front door and you have. We have four dogs here and there. I usually have one in the studio during the program now and now they're quiet now. I saw first of all. There's a lot more like on the. Us blog that we now have linked on our home page that talks about hunting related issues. One of the reasons the humane society of the United States is different from say the ASPCA and why Morris Animal Foundation is different from. I don't know who else does what they do. Which is handed out grant? Money is because they are focused not just on companion animals but on wildlife and trophy hunting and all of that so I that was Amazon. Making a delivery so now. I have my studio headphones sort of things that are here. Okay continuing we had there. Where do you want to pick this up? Amanda what am I like you? I have lots of questions for you. But why don't I let you introduce yourself and your the way you'd like to come at it and then Josh Stevens deny who's being co host today and I will dance with you in terms of going down those roads? I want to talk about this new appointment of some someone who's from the industry. You know lobbyists kind of thing. I want to talk about. Why Trophy hunting is evil. I WanNa talk about winners hunting good when his hunting? Not so good and we did all of that last time. So let's imagine we're starting cold right now because this is where the podcast will start and Amanda. Welcome to the program tell me about the HSA US and trophy hunting. Yes hi I'm Amanda White So I think last time it seemed like there might have been a little confusion about the differences between trophy hunting which is what we focused on. as opposed to just you know your average run in the middle hunting practices and so at the humane society we define trophy hunting as a hunt where the primary motivation is to obtain animal. Parts for example head pieds clause or even whole stuffed bodies for display and for bragging right but not for subsistence and so- trophy hunters often pose the dead animal for a portrait Such as for social media And again they're they're not motivated by putting food on the table So I think he needs to society. We actively worked to eliminate the most inhumane an unfair sport hunting practices Including TROPHY HUNTING. Which often uses very cool agreed just methods such as body gripping traps and snares a bear baiting The use of towns to hunt bears Bob Cats Mountain. Lions and wolves Contest killing events and cap depending on fence properties To those are sort of the the practices that we target with our work And what a lot of people don't realize is that trophy. Hunting happens right here in the US as well Each year thousands of our native carnivores There's Mountain Lions Bob. Cats will are killed to obtain a trophy or bragging rights So it's not just sort of you know a problem that happens elsewhere. It also happens right here. And that's what we focus on On nineteen is that domestic trophy hunting that happens in the United States on our native carnivores and here in California. We have recently. I don't know all the details like you would banned the trophy hunting of Bob. Cats for five years for example exactly so it was the bill Last year that we supported that put a moratorium on trophy hunting. Bob Cats in the state it does that measure does allow the lethal movable of an individual animal that poses a danger to humans endangered or threatened species or livestock But basically it makes it unlawful to trophy hunt Bob. Cats until twenty twenty-five after which California could Reopen peace and if certain conditions are met in those conditions would include the development of an updated management plan It directs the Department fish and wildlife to really just adequately study Bob Cats in California including getting a population count Before they could allow the trophy of them to continue. Bob Cats are an amazing creature. I've had a couple of encounters with them while driving a rural roads and stop and watch and it was really interesting and Bob. Cats are cool. I mean I would probably have been afraid if it had been Cougar Mountain Lion but the the Bob cats you know are these giant there in any case they they're very interesting do we have H. S. I say we do. We have any opinion on rattlesnake hunts. Yes those I think would fall under those sort of contest kills where Agadir. Now the the primary purpose is to just kill these animals for sport And Yeah a lot of times. Those rattled rattlesnake roundup. As they're often called are tied in with contest I grew up in Texas. Okay now I don't know if we want to get into this. But his fishing any part of this sport fishing for example. Is You know for taxidermy significantly. We have lots of fishing contest. Now I think they throw the fish back. In most cases do we have any opinion on fishing. Yes so I think not in terms of our trophy hunting mark. We don't focus on fishing We did In Maryland a couple years ago there was a bill that bans killing contests on counters. Raise Which were particularly because yeah yeah counts. Raise would come into the Chesapeake Bay To have young And so often there were contests to see who could kill the most or the heaviest Oftentimes the heaviest ones were pregnant wines and so it was just a very agree just practice and luckily we're able to ban that. Maryland and I think that's probably The only marine species that we've on with our trophy hunting word. That's not that we don't work on marine species outside of that As part of our additional wildlife were mostly focused on protecting marine mammals. Okay I understand now again. There is no problem. Well there is no policy on subsistence hunting. Which is you go out and you kill something you take it home and you eat it or you do something with it. Correct correct yes. We're really focused on behind those really. Just egregious and cruel practices say even most assistant centers Disagree with do we have any opinions on well. Is there anything we haven't talked about so far that we should and then I'll let josh ask a couple of questions if he'd like to but it seems like we've we've pretty much? Yes if it's a Oh one other question. Do we do anything about taxidermy? Would one approach to this not be? Hey taxidermist you can't work on this species for example. Is that something we would ever do? Not An approach. We've taken I think we're remorse focused on policies and again targeting sort of the the cruelty aspects of it and the trophy hunting itself. Well and okay now before I go to Josh. Tell me about what's happened lately in the international trophy hunting business. One of the things is they've got one of their own as their regulator. Now which is the kind of thing that happens in Washington and is yeah. Yeah draining the swamp sure. It is Can we talk about that? Real quick yeah so that was In a Siedman She was a litigator for the party. Club International Recently appointed to head a key office within the US Fish Life Service And so she the club international to think as you know folks haven't heard of that it's one of the world's largest trophy hunting industry groups And their members kill hundreds of animals that are really disappearing from Earth There's a lot of focused on killing those sorts of rare species Around the globe Again for prestige and providing rights So in a statement she led humorous lawsuits against Pushing Wildlife Service and other federal agencies. that prohibited. You know different Predator control tactics and She's really an advocate for trophy hunting for us. The Party Club International And now as assistant director of the fish wildlife services international affairs groups She'll be leading a team responsible for implementing international conservation treaties and protecting at risk wildlife populations and their habitats around the globe. You know at the agency where Whose policies she previously opposed a sued and worked against So it's really one of those instances of you know the Fox guarding the Hen House. The trump administration is not a good friend of. I'm never mind anti trophy hunting. Is that true? Yeah you know There have been a lot of policies to under the trump administration that seeks to expand trophy hunting Just recently The International Wildlife Conservation Council which was a committee That was made up almost entirely of trophy hunters gun industry lobbyists from groups like the Safari Club International and the NRA Recently that group was disbanded Following a lawsuit filed by a coalition that included The the United States as well as humane society international And Yeah it was another instance of appointing this committee made up of Trivia Hunters and industry groups That was looking to guide. You know policy on how the US looks at trophy hunting And so again. It's sort of that Fox in the Hen House idiom repeating itself where Sort of the very groups that are looking to expand trophy. Hunting are the ones in charge of the policies. You know looking to expand trophy hunting Josh Stevens. It's your turn to ask. Amanda questions excellent. I have one. It's a little elaborate. So with regards to hunting for non trophy purposes is there a guideline as to what is considered using enough of an animal that is hunted for example take venison such as dear? Let's say a hunter and I'm not one personally utilizes they're gathering of a deer to only make a coat that is only a small portion of the used that was hunted so is there a policy or guideline on how much of enough of one hundred animal is utilized. That is Is there such a policy? You know we don't have anything Sort of defines like that As the policy with us And again I think important thing to remember is that you know motivations aside. We're also looking at these very cool and egregious methods which are usually use two hundred native carnivores And not so much use to the year in other Typically hunted species Here's a another thing that comes to mind is when it comes to animals that are hunted. I've noticed there is concern for those and this might even be beyond your scope. But would you happen to be aware of anything regarding regulation on types of bullets us? Because I've heard some use lead in that can poison in ecosystem having those sorts of bullets on grounds. I believe we had a phone call about Lead versus what is a copper or steel and California law? Is that something you get into Amanda? It's not something that I personally work on but I know They mean save. The United States is very much opposed to use of of lead amunition. It something We time previously. And it's just because you know. Less toxic alternatives are very workable and very readily available in the marketplace. And and. So it's definitely something that we worked on as well and Hunters though will tell you. It's very very expensive to use the alternative ammo and then the people who are the supporters and this includes. I think almost all of us people who care about say California condors who are being led poisoned because of shots and I think in any case there have been concerns about the amount of lead that is introduced into the environment by hunting activities particularly anything that uses a shotgun for example. So excellent yeah. Let's definitely very widespread drought. The you'll like. We are circling this issue. From about and not really getting into I mean I just feel like this is not the best interview I've ever done because I have a hard time trophy hunting trophy. Hunting is often cruel trophy. Hunting often targets animals that we care about Giraffes Lions Tigers of which there are very few left in the world trophy. Hunting is often very very big business. Actually your question now since that your monologue just prompted a really great q. And that's what is the What are some of the top speed animals of concern that your organization is following? Yeah so on the domestic side. Which is what I work on. We also were crying. You know international trophy hunting through our international affiliate but on the domestic side the species that were focused on our Black Bracing Grizzly Bears Mountain Lions bobcats and gray wolves. Wow that is a broad spectrum. There and What would you say with Regards to wolves especially like what are some of the regions in which they are most endangered for example. Like would we find that here locally? There are well in California They're not allowed to be hunted in California They're still on the federal and state endangered species list. They're They are lots of them. Lots of water. Lots of wolves in California and only very far north and you said there are places that allow the trophy hunting of wolves and also the removal. And this is something I want to get into but let let you finish where you're going. The removal of Predator Animals. That heaven forbid might kill a cow or calf or something else. That doesn't belong in that environment. Yeah exactly so in the northern ocoee mountains though Wyoming Idaho and Montana Will our curfew hunted Quite extensively in all free of those states In Idaho and Montana neither of them have a statewide quota or a limit on how many Wolves can be killed Yeah you're often Trophy hunters claim that native carnivores needs to be managed by bill fining them as these ratios livestock predators But the scientific studies have really shown that trophy hunting does not alleviate conflicts with what livestock long term and may actually increase conflicts with humans pets life and livestock by disrupting their staple family structures And sending these sort of young and inexperienced juveniles out to fend for themselves during the case of wolves. That's especially true. This will be last question because Sabrina. Actually I may get you both on for just a second Sabrina Ashton who is the California State Director of Humane Society is our next guest and what is being done because i? I don't like the idea that farmers lose their cows because we like having wolves and to me. The issue is write them a check. You know we have checks. We have a checkbook. We have fees and we have ways to pay for that. But I didn't hear well. That isn't good enough. Well I mean how much a talk to me a little bit about compensation for animals that get killed by these Predator. Animals that we want to protect states will have a livestock compensation program that will reimburse producers at market value for Any you know animals that they lose that are confirmed to have been killed by a wolf or you know depending on the Predator Smaller species as well And I think you know the important thing to remember. Here is that You know we we don't WanNa see you know livestock We lost either but what the research has shown that the best remedies for protecting livestock are non Lethal Predator. Deterrence things like fencing or Different lights are noisemakers that you can put out or guard's dogs that kind of thing As well as altering the livestock husbandry practices. So doing things like making sure that your cattle are able to a heard instead of sending them off and sort of seize individuals or pairs Really a Reduce the vulnerability of livestock in a way that reduces complex long term And so we've really seen that. That's the best way to protect wolves as well as minimized livestock losses. I just yeah I just look at. That is the cost of doing business. Which makes it sound like. I don't think they should be compensated but I recognize. The compensation is a necessary part of the equation. Or we're going to get a lot less cooperation even then we get anyway. We're at four seven nine hundred eighty. If you wanted to talk to us I am going to go ahead and punch up our friend. Sabrina Ashton. Hi Sabrina Welcome. Hi David How are you doing? You're right there. I was afraid you'd put the phone down and we're waiting for the commercial or something you and you know Amanda. You've y'all have met and excited her interview. It's not let me be honest. It's not the best interview I have ever done. I feel like I keep circling around the topics that we're discussing and it's not her fault. I mean I know what she's saying. I understand it but we have the exotic wildlife and the trump junior kind of a trophy hunt. Then we have the local hunters going to go kill and I get. We also have cruel hunting practices helicopters and I can bring it all together. I just have a hard time trying to ask it in order that to me makes what makes sense so. It's not but it's not her. It's just me being uncomfortable with how I ended up asking all of this stuff.
Amazing Creatures // Dr. Jane Goodall
"Let me start by giving. You a good old chimpanzee greeting who. And that means this is me, this is Jane. Nine hundred sixty Dr Jane Goodall, walked into Gumbo stream national park in Tanzania and changed the world forever. Jane, Goodall, all blond and beautiful killing these in the wilds of Africa, Dr Goodall discovered chimpanzees used grass stems to help them hunt for termites, and as we all know now that they feel emotion and have distinct personalities. A research on chimpanzees ended perception of their interaction with the natural world and each other. She observed them behaving in familiar, human moods and challenge yourself to engage with them as fellow conscious beings. Not just scientific subjects. So what makes us human? And how can we both admire our unique gifts and not forget that we are just one small connected part of something vast and grant, we are part of this incredible animal kingdom, the more. We learn about it the more. We learn about our selves. And I'm sure you agree with me that anyone head and hard work in harmony, can we achieve our true human potential. And this is infinite potential, maybe explore what makes us conscious beings and white matters that we are. Today. Doctor Jane Goodall is the world's foremost expert and chimpanzees one of the most respected voices in the world. And she still woman on a mission as I learned in recent conversation. Dr Goodall has always approach things a little differently. My mother tells stories about when I was very small. I was four and a half. We lived in London that time not so many animals and mom took me for a holiday on a farm in the country. And it was really exciting. I can still remember meeting cows and pigs and and she face to face English press through. That's right. And I was given a job of collecting the hint sakes, so then picked around in the form yard. But there were about a no six or eight and houses where they slept at night with miss books around the age. So I would go around, and if there was an egg popped in my buzz gets the pearly began asking people, but we'll have the whole that the comes out 'cause I couldn't see a whole that big. Clearly, nobody told me so I still remember seeing this Brown hen going up into. A hen house. I must have filled. You know, she's going to. Cruel off to her. That was a mistake. She flew out this walks of presumably fear. And so my little four and a half year old mine must have no head will land kits dangerous place. But now, I'm on the part of discovery. So I went into an empty Heddon house. Waited quietly and the hen came in finally, am I still can see her rising little bit on her legs and this white slightly soft a coming out. Mum had been desperately looking for me. Nobody nura was they called the police. So you could imagine Howard. She was but when she saw the excited, it'll go rushing towards the house instead of how dare you golf without telling us, don't you dare do that. Again, she saw my shining eyes and sat down to hear the wonderful story of how hen lays in a. And the reason I tell that story isn't that the making of a little scientist curiosity asking questions not getting the right answer deciding defined outfield. Self making a mistake not giving up and learning patience. It was all their different kind of mother might have crushed that scientific curiosity, and I might not have done what I have done. Too long way from hence to primates and to me the chimpanzee which has maybe more than ninety percent of his genetic structure similar to ours. What was your first experience with a with the chimp running away from me? They'd never seen a white IPE before this was gonna be national park. It took a long time low to patients, but remember learned that in the hen house. And finally one of them had this beautiful white beard, and I called him David greybeard, and he began to let me get close. And it was David greybeard who gave me a very. What kind of moment to call it sort of not life changing, but something but. Made me realize this is going to be my life because he had just begun to allow me to actually follow him. And he was going through the forest, and I was going off to him. Then he went through thick tangle of detail. I lost him. And I find him another day. But when I finally got through he was sitting looking back, and it looked as though he was waiting for me. And maybe he was I don't know. So he was sitting is between us was a right bread palm nut, which they love. And so I picked it up and held it out to him on my hand, and he turned his face away. So I put my hand closer. And he reached out he took the not he dropped it. But very gently squeezed my fingers abets how chimpanzees reassure each other. So in that moment, we communicated in a way. Which must have predated human language. He was saying, thank you know, way in a way. Yes. Two chimps have guilt or shame or humiliation. Or now disgust. A frustration. I never totally sure about some of those emotions, you know, because it's very easy for us to say, well, we were in that situation would be feeling shame dog guilty. They are they learning the doing this is wrong because they being punished and therefore it's it's a confused. Pronunciation beer of some kind of social hierarchy goes ladder area on the males fight for it. And some of the ways that they posture and gesture swagger around reminds me so much of some politicians, and so it's very important for some males. Not all their different someone to get to the top. And some do it by using their intelligence. They find an ally. Either a convenient one of the time or maybe a permanent one like your brother, and they. Oh, knee Tekla, higher rank you in that allies, others just stole men and want to use their strength aggressive natures to get to the term those ones don't last as long as the intelligent ones, British Sooners, you introduced this hierarchy of social status with its humans primates. I think then there's the opportunity to evolve these emotions guilt shame mistrust and shila. They have those things just what does it mean when a chimp behaves asto his ashamed I don't exactly know haven't managed to get far into a chimps mind. But I'm people will you know to go away from chimps for moment. We had a dog home, and he knew it was bad to steal because he was punished for stealing. So sometimes we'd get back, and he wasn't visible anywhere. And we'd find him called up in a chair. And he had stolen a pack of food beheaded eaten it he was lying on it. So he knew it was wrong reeling guilty, and he was feeling guilty. So if dogs can of course, chimps. Rupert Sheldrick is a common friend of us, and Rupert goes onto even think that dogs have better normal psychic abilities that they can read your mind. Even you know, if a dog owner or the human companion of a dog is in London, and the dog is in Paris, and each his mind and wants to come home earlier the dog moves to the front of the house waits at the door as soon as the human companion has had an intention to return home. What's your opinion on all this? Well, the strangest one most fascinating to me was with this parrot colden key. See I heard there was psychic parrot, and this experiment with five envelopes with pictures in. Nobody knew the pictures. But what the pictures were except this one woman who didn't know anything about the parrot or anything. She just had to choose five pictures and put them in on loops. And as the Amy opens I on blowed key Seve's in another room. And I'd be that see you knows no way. He could. Yes, I agreed about it. But I've met the many times. I see. So as she opens the first one, it's a photograph of flowers strictly ones and Casey kind of Mering pretty flowers. Nice flowers. Then shoop the second one, which is a man on his cellphone, very clearly. What you say on you so phone the only mistake that he makes out of these five is of all the Q Leah picture of a man stepping out of a car, and he sort of half in half out and the word on the word is caused. So he supposed to say, but he doesn't he says what you doing with your head Patil hit back in. Why is this not a breakthrough revolutionary insight into the nature of consciousness? I think it is. And you know, I was told an notes for not scientific, and I shouldn't use anecdotes and to me, I think don't. So the breakthrough into the mind and dotes things which helps to understand sciences Viktor two million to make experiments, and then you tell the story right way doesn't the word wise in the world talking about it. I think sciences is very reluctant is going to be proved about twenty nine times. And yet scientists frequently get stuck on the assumptions, they do they do they don't like them challenged. So this distinction between pure instinct and riches plus away will and emotion, which is kind of survival. But also, there's an element, of empathy. What we humans would call compassion and love, but there's an element of that in all censh- and life. Are you kind of sympathetic to that worldview, you think that all centurions has some level of emotional consciousness? I think they do. And unfortunately, we say an element of aggression, and you know, the dark side of human nature, we see that you were one of the. The first to identify that the dark side of humans is also present and chimps do you. Remember the that in the early seventies? The subject of whether Puma NHS were born with a blank slate or they had inherited aggressive or other instincts, and it became a political issue. And I remember going to this big conference in I think, it was Paris, and about aggression, and when I talked about the aggression, the chimps people coach showed at me, and I was actually told that I should not talk about that. I should down play. Because then people might think that we humans have an aggressive instinct through. Of course, we do look around the world. But at that time soulages for trying to push it under the carpet. Luckily, you know, my mother taught me tab, the courage of my conviction and not to give in. Otherwise, I wouldn't have published any of that stuff. That insight is very helpful in understanding our own nature, but also the nature of life in general. And since the whole ecosystem is is a combination of the symbiosis and predation at the same time may we're all part of the food chain. But we also have a deep. Longing to understand our connection to all of life. I mean, that's one thing that humans. Really? Are in way, different from other species that requests in. Question this questions while we while we hear what is the meaning of my life. And then we tell stories we make them up. When we come back. We'll tell more stories with Dr Jane Goodall. Scf can be stressful between work family and everything in between. It's not always easy to find time for yourself. That's where talk space comes in talk. Space is therapy for how we live today talk space online therapy makes taking care of your mental health more affordable and convenient than ever before simply provide your preferences for therapy and talk space will match with one of your three thousand plus therapists, the very same day, send your therapist unlimited text ordeal picture of video messages from anywhere at anytime. No matter what you're going through. You're not alone talk space has more than three thousand licensed, therapists, who are experienced in addressing the challenges. We all face to match your perfect therapist for a fraction of the price of traditional therapy. Go to talk spe. Dot com. Make sure to use the code Deepak to get forty five dollars off your first month and Choya support for the show, that's Deepak and talk space dot com. Join more than one million people who feel happier with tok space. The fact that I'm speaking to you right now, and that you're listening, and hopefully understanding is pretty amazing. And while it connects us, some would say is what separates us humans from the rest of the animal kingdom, which is what I wanted to us. The gene good about. So this brings me to this question regarding language because deepest Dorian still us some of them that up until say fifty sixty thousand years ago, there were many species of humans, you know, Neanderthals and homo habilis actors on and on 'til one species. Sapienze us created a language for gossip and storytelling who started giving names to perceptual experience and calling them objects in when giving names to other animals. It's part of a story of. Every thing in creation, we've given the word too. But as soon as we start telling stories, then, you know, the more outrageous stories are we are the best species. And you know, we know how to love the more sophisticated those stories get the more. Actually, we lose our connection to the source of all existence in this is the fall from grace. And in this new dimensionality of experience, you kind of separated yourself from all that exists. I mean, I, you know, always amazed at how similar we are to Jim pansies, and for that matter other animals to in sharing emotions like, fair and pain and anger on things. Like that. But clearly we're different for the reasons that you've just been talking about. And so we developed this way of using words, and I'll talk so for the first time we could actually teach our children about things that would actually present because chimpanzees learn by observing. And so yes, they have a culture behavior Paul's from one generation to the next through observation imitation and practice, but you know, we can with words discuss the paused and tell stories about it, and perhaps make use of it chimpanzees certainly can make plans for the immediate future. But we can make plans to what we're going to do ten years ahead and most important of all we can discuss. So if we have a problem, we can bring people from different walks of life with different experiences to try and solve that problem. So it's an bizarre that the most intellectual creatures ever walked the planet is destroying it. So the home, but. It seems made as a disconnect between this extremely intellectual mind, the human heart, which is love and compassion in the wisdom tradition of the east this in sunscreen. There's a word called prog up rod which translated into English means the mistake of the intellect that the mistake of these lectures that we are separate from everything else and our children today. Look at look at them. I grew up in Brixton and cement and concrete, and they're on their little electronic gadgets, and they'll sit next to each other in a bus instead of talking the what's happening to us. Civilization. On a self destructive more anywhere destroying us. We are because we need the the planet. We need the natural world. And if we go undestroyed destroying the forest pollute in the oceans nulla rest of it. We will destroy ourselves. Bacteria reminding me something that I learnt recently have from some naturalists, and this is the phenomenon that now biology is exploring his what they call being grounded. So when you walk barefoot on the earth, or when you walk barefoot on the grass or on the beach, or even when you touch a tree you are electromagnetic Lee connected to the electromagnetic fields of the planet. And in a sense, you're re organizing a resetting your biological rhythms with the rhythms of nature. So this particular person was a naturalist with Stelling me that when animals get sick, or whatever they borrow themselves in the ground or sit in the. Ground until the recover. And so one of the things that's happened. With the modern society is a biology's out of sync with the biology of nature Sabih logical organism whether we like it or not it's a self-regulating biological phenomenon including the web of life, and I'm doing some research on this right now and looking at oh when people are grounded, even if I touch a tree, and you touch me and somebody else such you. We're all recent biological rhythms. I wonder what you think about this. Well, I think we have to add into this equation. The fact that you know, so much of what's out. There has been so polluted with chemicals in the ocean food, we eat it's very hard. You have to go quite far to get into sort of real untouched nature. And the real untouched nature is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. So I suppose in your research, you'll take into account the fight that because we developed electric city. We now don't have the sort of cycle at an animal will have where goes to see when it's darkness wakes up when it's light. But we pay no attention to that. Edison, invented the. But without it now. Well, we could do without. It's like, you know, we would what we're doing the planet. We could actually do without oil and gas. I mean, it would be very hard. Technologies already exist. He has to but but we could not do without water. Yes. And fresh water supplies are any danger. And, you know, something this is wonder, I don't if you can explain this. But I was in Bordeaux just recently on a climate change conference. And I was just thinking it was being translated you see bit by bit. So just thinking next I'm going to talk about water, and how if we lose our water, you know, that will be the next wars and the three big glass for the bottles on the table in front, and as I was thinking, this is what I'm going to talk about one of those bottles cracked down the water dropped onto the floor. So I've kept that bottle, and because to me it's incredibly symbolic to may symbols aquarium. So this brings actually a very important question that I want to ask you as a scientist without actually enraging current thinking on evolutionary biology. We a species that has evolved as a result of some direction by a deeper intelligence or consciousness that is in a way guiding de-evolution of species, I know, this would be very controversial and might enrage strict physically so materialists, but just seems to me the evolution is kind of directed in a way of more creativity. More questioning more. Inquiry and more even abstraction as we start to get into realms of thought from tools to now the internet now intergalactic space exploration doesn't seem all together. Random to me. I don't think for one single second. It's random at you know, when I was out in the rainforest and out in the rain for as your in the middle of an ecosystem where the interrelation of all things is so clear and each tiny little species has a role to play and it may seem insignificant. But if it disappears that can have ripple effect because maybe that was the main food source of some of the creature and so on and that can lead to ecosystem collapse losing one little species. You know, this is a very this thought that we are inter beings interest in this inter is in Buddhist terms that wall censh- and beings about of an infinite consciousness than that cinch in beings what recalled biological organisms? Are actually species of consciousness essential beings. And they're all part of this web of life. If you fiddle with even one little strand in the web, the whole web is affected. The weather's live we meddle with it to our peril. And we're already modeling onto too much. After the break. What happens when survival instincts of humans and chimps collide, stay with us. Robin Hood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade. 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Do my favorite sense of humor, though, is coca the gorilla a signing gorilla and was a young woman and she went into the. Lab he was volunteering and she was told occupied cocoa while we prepare cocoa supper. So as CoCo had just learned all the colors, not just the primaries all of them. So this young woman is picking up something that's blue and something that screen, and then she picks up a white cloth and cocoa signs red. And the young woman says Okoko, you know, better than that what color is red. Coco if you don't tell me what color this is you have upper to supper coca reaches out takes the white cloth. Picks off a minute speck of red fluff and says red red red. The notion that humor can be shared language between humans and chimps made me think about another story. The story is about a man named Rick and a chimp named Joe Joe. And about the way we are instinctively connected to each other. And maybe at a very deep level to all living beings. Yes, Rick, Jo-jo bless your that story tell it, but I have to tell two stories opposite side of the spectrum. So Joe Joe was a chimpanzee who is NS zoo. And he had lived in that sue for many many years by himself. So he wasn't very good at interacting socially when they rescued him and put him with this group on an island chimps don't swim, and he still started getting on. But then one day a male is challenging him. Joe Joe's terrified, Andy. So frightening gets over the Varia. Into the deported beyond. Three times. He disappears under the surface. And then he's gone and keeper standing there just watching. And this one visitor goes the SU one day a year with his wife and kids he jumps. And he has the swim under the water. He gets hold of Joe Joe's body gets over that Barry out pushes Jo-jo into the closure and hear his wife screaming the children crying daddy. Daddy. Daddy. And he's coming back to join them. Three of the big males coming out, bristling hair and screaming big teeth show and. At the same time the banquets to sleep and Joe Joe sliding back into the water. And you see Rick standing with his hand on the railing looking up at his firmly looking at three males looking at Joe Joe. And he went back again he pushed Joe Joe Joe Joe not that. Although he seemed lifeless spits out some water finally grabs a tuft of grass, and we pushing manages to drag himself to safety three meals to sport. And so that evening Rica's interviewed on radio and asks why did you do it? You must have known. It was dangerous. And he said I happened to look in his eyes. And there was a message there. Won't anybody? Help me. So beautiful and the other story the other way around a chimpanzee or rescued from medical research put on an island in Florida with three females also rescued the male is known as old man young man employed to look after them told not to go near them. They hate people. They'll try to kill you. But he watches a baby is born. And Mark sees how old man loves baby and protects it from real imagined harm and Hsieh's food the hug each other and brazen kiss anything. I must develop a relationship with them. How can I look after them? Otherwise, anyhow, eventually, he takes a banana, and he goes to the island warm, these little pedal boats and one day, he does step on shoe. Nothing happens. One day. He does to grew moat. None and one day old man grooms him back and one day. He does to tickle in his tickly shoulder an old, man. Loves so everything's lovely females keep away but one day slips fold on his face babies near startles screams. The mother rushing to the rescue as mothers will bite Cinta marks. Mech? Feels the blood trip down the other two females running to support their friend one bites his wrist and won his leg. And he's looking up thinking how can I get away? Now, his Obermann thundering across the island with his lips punched in a furious scowl hell and things he thinks I heard his precious infant, and he prepared to die. But what does old man do? He drags these three females away keep some off Mark while he drags himself. Painfully to the boat. And I met Mark when he came out of hospital, and he said, Jane, the snow question Oldman saved my life. And to me, this is really symbolic because if a chimpanzee and one who's been harmed by people can help a human friend in time of need. Then surely we with our greater ability understanding can help others in that time of need. This every great stories of story. This the best love story of ever heard. You know that saying we have inherited the planet from our parents. We borrowed it from our children. But we haven't we stolen we still stealing their future. And so coming into the the reality of now and me on this planet, and is the repurpose am I here with the mission? It feels like it, and my mission seems to be to give people some hope because you don't have Hobo should you bother to do anything. So this is where you know, I'm concentrated on trying to save life life life. Are you hopeful that we will as a collective consciousness start to realize the so again start reversing some of the damage because technically speaking a lot of this is reversible. I think there's a growing awareness everywhere. But I think the one of the big problems is people feel hopeless and helpless. What can I do? And so the message is that every single day we live each one of us make some impact on the planet. And those of us fortunate enough to be not an extreme poverty. We have a choice as to what kind of difference again to make you know, if we think about the consequences of what we buy what did it come from? How is it made that it involve cruelty to animals child slave labor harm to the environment? Doctors no part of our. Conversation. Anyway, collective gun decision rate so becoming aware when moving in that direction. I think we have a window of time. We've got to do something about the unsustainable. Lifestyle of everybody else knew me, my lifestyle, isn't sustainable. We've got the crazy idea. You can have unlimited economic development on a planet of finite, natural resources. We have the tools, and it's about language the wave discuss language, and how the supports helped us develop an intellect but the other day when I was out in the forest this. I've never seen it before or cents. It was an amazing fly was most beautiful colors. It had golden has and it landed on my finger, and I was looking at it, and it's a fly. And I thought because we use that word fly where belittling something is a miracle of creation. And if we didn't know what to call it a fly. We would be utterly amazed. What is your hope for humanity? Now. I think my greatest hope is in the people because they are changing the world they are influencing their parents. And so the goal is a critical of young people who understand that. While we need money to live. We shouldn't live for money. That's when it goes wrong. Second reason for hope the sprain, which is beginning to come up with technology that will enable us to live in harmony and director own lives lead, a slight and ecological footprint as we can. The next resilience of nature. Many ecosystems that we destroyed given a chance can become beautiful again animals on the brink of extinction can be given Jones. And finally, the indomitable human spirit, the people who tackle the impossible. What seems impossible and we'll give up. The best example of that indomitable human spirit and reminded of phrase from the great Indian to gore. He said every child that is born is proof that God has not yet given up on humans. So many things that make us human. But part of what makes us human his dad, which is not human from wildlife to resources knocked. Jane Goodall has reminded us today that the natural world is intricately apart of who we are and likely in more ways than we can even fat. Listeners who are interested in supporting dodge Goodell's ongoing work should visit roots and shoots dot ahrq. Her youth service organization whose mission is to foster respect and compassion for all living things to promote understanding of all cultures and beliefs and to inspire each individual to take action to make the world a better place for people other animals and the environment in some small way. I think she's done that for all of us who had the pleasure of listening to today. I'm Deepak Chopra. Thank you for listening to infinite potential. If this episode connected with you, please share it with the friend and leave us comments. So we get to hear from you. In our next episode. We explore the mind a one of the great comedians of our day Russell brand. Now, it's time for our gratitude list, infinite potential is produced by David Shadrach Smith, and Julie mcgruder it's edited by Sam dingman and Andy Jaskiewicz. The audio engineer is Bob tabards. Caroline wrangle is our associate producer and Serena Regan is the coordinating producer. We especially thank our guess sponsors, interns, and everyone who has contributed to bring infinite potential to you our show is created and executive produced by David Chadwick Smith. Jan Cohen and me, I'm departure. Thank you for joining me.
#646 - Rent the Chicken! An Egg-Cellent Idea Clucks Into Cash
"What's up friends, listeners and community. My name is Chris Gil about this is school, and I am excited to welcome you to a new week. Now, as we kick off a new week up, got a wonderful story for you today. It's an excellent story as you will hear, and I'll just say by way of quick preface, stories like this are why make the show why think it's been so entertaining and informative for so many people? Because as you may know, talking about all kinds of ways to make money that most people have never heard of. And that includes me because I had no idea that some of these things were fossil, including, I'm going to tell you about today, and here's the setup. Have you ever wanted to keep a chicken as a pet, but weren't sure you're up for a lifetime commitment? Well, today's featured story has just the solution for, you know, need to buy chickens when you can rent them. That's right. Crowd sharing world has come to the hen house. These rentals include a coupe and everything else that you need water dishes enough food to last up to six months, a Netflix subscription to keep a chicken entertained while they roost. What else can I say? You have to hear this one. So here's a quick. Thank you to our sponsor, and then we'll pack our way into the story. Sisal school is brought you today. Our longtime partnership station yoyo what's up ship station. Thank you so much and listeners. If you're selling online, getting your orders out the door quickly can be tough. You may have heard this before, but listen, it's why you need ship station dot com. The fast and easy way to manage ship those orders all from one place with ship station. You can ship more in less time with the best rates available. No wonder it's the number one choice of online sellers. Now they've got a special offer for you right now. You can try ship station free for thirty days and get an additional month free, but only if you use the promo code hustle. So don't wait ship station dot com before you do anything else. Click the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in hustle that ship station dot com. Inter hustle ship station makes ship happen. Nominee people think when I grow up, I'll make a living by renting chickens, but that's exactly what Phil Jen Tomkins doing for their side. Hustle turned fulltime business, which now serves hundreds of households from their Pennsylvania headquarters and across the nation. Let's start back at the house before they made a big lifestyle change fill engine lived on the outskirts of Baltimore. Maryland Bill was working in IT and Jen was working remotely for a research study. When Phil was laid off, he started doing contract work at that point. Neither of them had to report to an office so they realized they could live anywhere. They chose to move to western Pennsylvania to be closer to jen's family. That's where they had an idea to start what became excellent side-hustle. The couple had been raising chickens in their own backyard for years long before urban farming was trendy. It also seen friends and relatives try the same thing, but with less success. In fact, a host of unwanted chickens from city-dwellers was becoming a major problem in cities across the country. You parents know how it is your kid ask for a pet. You're like, okay, here's a chicken as long as you take care of it and then you know a day later, it's your problem. What with the rental chicken business which were coming to when hint curious, customers discover after the fact that they're actually terrified of birds which does happen or if they just decide to chicken out, it's not a problem at all because the birds are loners to be returned with no questions asked and no penalties. If the opposite happens, if a customer falls head over heels in love with Janice or Michaela or lady Gaga the chicken and decides that they're ready for a lifelong commitment, they can opt to buy the chickens at the conclusion of the real period, you can think of it like poultry layaway last, but not least if a chicken comes to the end of her life through natural causes while being rented out, Phil engine will replace it free of charge a priest pastor, a rabbi to conduct services are an optional upsell. So how does it all work? Well, as I loot to at the top of the Assode renchik in provides customers with two Hinz a portable coop food and water dishes and enough food to last the riddle, period, delivery setup, and quick. To'real also included Dennard rental packages start at just three hundred and fifty dollars as a side note, I think Rindt the chickens should sponsor the show because I would love to record ads for them. I was just practicing this morning on my own. Just go to rent the chicken dot com slash hustle for a special deal. I'll tell her partners to get in touch. Now, startup costs were two thousand dollars, much of which went toward buying coops, their biggest expense. They began in twenty thirteen with one unpaid rental. Just getting started the next year. They had fifty rentals this time hate and four years later. Listen up for years later. They're managing rentals of more than two thousand chickens. Roosters are also available upon special request. Although note that in many cities, it's actually a legal to own a rooster. So the laws are less clear on rental Roosters better. Check that out. I, if that's what you wanna do, and you may be thinking these aren't rabbits. How do they multiply? So past two thousand chickens last year will, here's what's really smart. Phil engine began franchising MRs key. They've got their area Pennsylvania on lockdown, but they can only be in one place at one time. So for a while they tried their best of. No request and nearby states like New Jersey, Ohio in Maryland, but they had more business than they could handle. And 'cause we're coming in from the rest of the country and elsewhere as well. So they began working with local partners in different cities all across the US and Canada. Now, if you Bizet rented chicken dot com again, free shut out no charge for that one. You can sign up right there and Phil Jin aren't physically delivering each chicken. Instead, the local franchises handle that and local franchises. Keep much of the money filling Jinja's take ten percent cut with their partners out in about as well as all the deliveries. They manage themselves is a money making chicken rental empire. There. Coops are filled with stacks of cash, which is difficult at the end of the day to clean things up. Actually, that's not true. They take credit cards, which is also pretty cool, and they are indeed now making a living renting out these chickens throughout North America. So, hey, when you're feeling lonesome need somebody to keep your company rent. The chicken is at your service. Oh my gosh. What could I possibly add to the rent? The chicken story. It just kinda squawks for itself. Now, listen from time to time. I hear from the occasional listener, not most of our listeners, but the occasional listener whose who thinks we're having too much fun on the show and complains about the puns and says, you know, can't you just tell us the story without making it awesome. And I'm like, hey, you know, we're just trying to have some fun around here. Okay, don't get your father's ruffled if it really bothers, you can unsubscribe. You can fly the coop. I'm not offended because I'm gonna. Keep making the show for all of our awesome listeners tens of thousands of daily listeners out there who appreciate a little owl humor. And speaking of that, I wanna give shout out to my Twitter followers. If you're not following me on Twitter, it's just my name. Christie, LeBow see, HRIS g. u. I l. e. v. e. you because this morning I asked if you had a pet chicken, what would you name it? I was looking for some ideas as I finalize the story, and I got something like eighty four responses and just a few minutes, lots of creative names out there. So some of my favorites just to give you a little rundown. So of my favorite names possible pet chickens submitted by listeners are. Our popcorn, mardi MacLay, clunky now get any the hinny tofu KFC which is not nice when you think about it cluck Norris Gregory is in Gregory Peck mother clunker very creative, Cadbury and Benedict as in expedite, amazing job guys. Thank you for crowd source. Chicken contributions actually have a quick business note about this story because that's what we do on the show. In addition to all the other awesome stuff, my vices that ten percent is too low of a cut these guys have developed the rent, the chicken model, all the leads are coming into them which there have been passing onto the franchises. So it's great that they're giving the franchises so much of the money, but it could be fifteen percent or twenty percent for them. And I think the franchisees or the home centers as they're called, I think they would still be happy with that because when I think ten percent, that sounds more like an administrative fee and since this is actually their business model, I think it should be a little bit more just a suggestion as always thank you so much relisting. I hope you enjoy this one. If you didn't enjoy this when you're probably going to join the show. I mean, let's just be real here every day. Showing you different way that people can make money, even building chicken rental empire. Where else are you? Gonna hear these things nowhere as always inspiration. It's good, but inspiration with action is so much better. Today's show notes are at sottile school dot com. Slash six, four, six. That's it for me. Now I'm gonna go off and roost for the rest of the day, but I will be back again tomorrow and hope you'll join me once again. My name is Chris, Gil VO and you are listening to side-hustle school.
AEE 1428: Data or Data? Coupon or Coupon? English Pronunciation Differences and Debates
"This is an all ears English podcast episode fourteen, Twenty, eight data or data coupon or coupon. English. Pronunciation differences and debates. Welcome to the all ears English podcast downloaded more than one hundred, fifty million times. Are you feeling stock with your English? We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection not perfection with your American hosts Lindsey McMahon the English adventurer and Michelle Kaplan The New York radio girl coming to you from Colorado, and New York City U S. A.. Do you pronounce envelope or envelope today Lindsey Michelle shared their pronunciation styles for debatable words plus find out how to start a fun conversation with a native speaker about this topic. Hey Lindsay. How's it going hades going good. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Do you use a lot of coupons. Signing, you mean coupons. Coupons actually bonds coupons. Oh my Gosh Michelle you are confusing me. So Gosh, I am sorry well I. Guess We're just GonNa have to talk about this for the whole episode. Never Mind my coupon coupon discussion on coupons. What is the difference? Good question, right? Yeah. Guys their own my Gosh I've been observing these things the recently in my everyday conversations, things that I hear on TV, and I always notice these little differences in the way people pronounce words. So, there are so many words in the English language people pronounce differently could be for regional differences or or even just personal preferences but their words that I don't even know which one I say do you ever have somebody say like this or that and you're like I? Don't know. Yes I, have that conversation for sure it also makes me think of the phrase data data doesn't matter. That you. Know. I. Love It. I never heard of that. What Surprised I would have known that one now I don't. But that is that's like really I. think that's one of the number were on words where somebody says like, do you say like people get into these little conversations right like Using data or data I'm like I actually not sure which one I say now that you're asking me, you know it's hard to think of what you say yeah. This is kind of a conversation natives have, and now our listeners will be able to have this conversation as well because you guys can basically just choose or you can interchange them when it comes to the pronunciation if. You want to, but most people have a style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it is a fun conversation topic. So today's episode is not only about pronunciation, but it also gives you something to talk about with people. So this is GonNa be beneficial for you guys in a lot of ways I love those kinds of episodes who are again yes. Outcomes to kind of advantages of it. Good stuff. Does I'm really excited for this one. This is GonNa be fun. By guys. If you want to also hear some different pronunciations of other words, listen to episode ten at ten thousand Oh my Gosh Hen House. How old will we be? Ninety Jeez really there's a lawyer English all right anyway episode one, thousand ten is are you pronouncing off incorrectly find out today? So that's a good one. Okay. Good stuff. So I guess in this one, we won't talk as much about the word often often. Episode go to that one if you want to know about that one, but we have a lot of other good stuff in this one. Yeah. Yeah and some of these like I just got from my everyday life I can think of the specific instances where I got in my you know I took a look like what are some of the things that people have? Disagreements over pronunciation and I totally would agree with these. Okay. We going to go over these in just a second. But before we do that I, mean one of the great place I mean it's such a good idea to. Hear people say words in different ways and one of the places you guys can get more practice with that is on our connected communicator course because Lindsey traveled all over the country and we have interviews, there were people from all over the country, and so you might hear these different. You know different words said in different ways and it's so helpful then to get more. Just more input from people from different parts of the country. Right. Lensing up totally is we were in the northeast New York, city Chicago the Midwest the Rust Belt Upper Northwest Pacific Northwest California southern California Texas. The deep. South. Like Mississippi I guys we went everywhere even Nashville so. Our English dot com slash connection join me or join us on that twelve thousand mile journey to connection. It's the journey connection. That's what it inaction I. Love It. Okay. So all right. Let's go through some of these. I'm excited to find out what you say Lindsay. So all right. So the first one is data or data dat, what I mean what do you say? What do I say the data, the data, I used to say data and then I, switched at some point and I say data now I don't know why. No reason for it. Maybe when I heard that phrase dated at, it doesn't matter. I felt like I could change. Well I feel like I'm it's funny I. Wonder if I say it differently depending on the context if I say like my phone data like how much data do I would say that I wouldn't say data, but for information like statistics or whatever. Then I might say data interesting. Okay. That's fair to I mean that also is the way people might take this in different directions very much based on context I. also say phone data have a unlimited data plan right but. I think also for statistics and things I still say data. Let's stick into the sales data or the that kind of thing. Yeah. I have a I have a I think sometimes I make jokes the always talk about dad jokes whenever whenever whenever I'm like talking in somebody's like Oh like, oh, my data plan and I'm like any mom of. A. God what is wrong with me? That's good, Dan? Kennedy. Jokes they're innocent their nerdy, but they're fun right laugh like what dad jokes do. It as episode a fun one about pronunciation and accents, and when you join our twelve thousand mile journey across the US by video lesson, you get to hear a bunch of different American English. And so much more. So go to all ears English dot com slash connection to join our fluency course. Now, all ears English dot com slash connection. Okay, this next one this one confused. Yeah. I C. H. E.. Lindsey. A word use a lot in business. Yeah. So for this one, I have to think about it before I tell you what I say niche, the Nishi and our niche but I definitely hear people say Niche and it's I'm not sure if one is writer on actually I think both are well I mean we teach language of the People here right? I would argue that both are okay. Just because it is what both people say I mean we're not gonna say that about all grammar mistakes right but it's about connection and people used both. So both are okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too I I think I kind of switch back and forth I think I used to say niche and then I would hear people saying niche but I feel like I don't know why niece sound so like. Lakes fancy like. No but I know we all have weird association I know. Part. So anyway Lindsey I think I know which one you say Okay this I've actually recently talked about this I get teased for the way I pronounce this. How do you got? Hurt. This may be an accent issue of regional accents. How do you say? All right. So R. O. F. I pretty sure you say rough. Yeah. Yeah you got it and I get teased for that. So I think what this is is the remnants of my New Hampshire accent. which is influenced by the Boston accent, but in a more countryside way. because. There are a lot of people that may be up in. Boston. But ended up moving to the countryside and New Hampshire as kids, and then had kids and and I'm of that generation. So there's something accent their accent related there. Yeah I'm what? You say I say roof? Yeah I don't pronounce it that long I don't have that. ooh, say rough on the roof the roof. Is More like some of these are just like preference and some of them are more about regional accents. So So interesting. Okay. Right. I've heard you I am. Okay. That's the one word that I say it's like a remnant of New Hampshire but I still say it I can't get rid of it. I don't know people in New Hampshire. Say Wash now that that Appalachian thing that's that's something that I encountered when I went to college in Virginia and my roommate said it will you know she would say, Washington, Murray, are the name of our college Mary Washington it's very Appalachia mid Atlantic country. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So this next one I don't think is about accent but Q. U. A. R. T. R.. So what do you say? To, say it out. Loud whispered to myself before I tell you. So I say quarter. So CEO I pronounce it Like C. O. U. RTR But never hear people say quarter like Yeah W. Yeah. Some people will go out of their way to pronounce it like it's a w quarter. Yeah. Whenever I hear that I'm like Oh my God like. Notes. Yeah, it's funny to me but no offensive people say that's it's not wrong. It's just you know how? Like if it's different from the way you say it it's always like, oh, definitely definitely now, the one from the beginning couponer coupon what do you say this is one where I've changed since I was a kid to now when I was a kid, I would always say coupon and now that I'm adult I say an adult I q a coupon and say coupon I don't have insurance I. Don't know why I thought it was coupon now I think its coupon both. I think. Okay. So specific I know why this one bothered me because there's a I'm pretty I'm pretty sure it's this word where I on friends I think Monica says coupon once and every time. I would here. That's why I thought of this one because every time I hear it I'm it drives me crazy because I on oh yeah. I could see how that would be annoying. Yeah. Do they make of her for it or is it just? How she hasn't. So it's it's fine. It's fine to say coupon. Yeah it's fine. It's fine. So. guys either one like I said. Doesn't matter. You could choose. That's why this is fun. You can have conversations about those. People on it so good up and the next one. I say envelope. But what would be another way to say it envelope? This is another one I think I've changed since I was a kid. I think when I was a kid, I used to say envelope I think I switch back and forth this is one of those if you ask me what I say I'd be like I'm not sure like I don't know and even sometimes when I say the word I'm not sure which one I wanNA use interesting I'm like am I saying this right? I wonder why it is that you would say it in one way like on a Monday thirty day say differently Thursdays are enveloped as. Are enveloped. which is more convenient. I don't know. Does it depend on who you're around fascinating question I don't know I don't know anyway let's do a couple more. Okay so This one's weird to me because I only say orange I've never said anything else. This may be new is this is an accent thing. So I say orange also but I think people I think it might be a New York accent thing or a new. Jersey. Jersey I think. There is a Jersey accent that comes out like that where they take the OS and they make them at the Orange Orange Orange for lunch. Yeah. Interesting. We talk more about the Jersey accent like South Jersey that'd be fun and it's funny because like Other than my brother everybody in my family and Dan and his family there from the New York area. So I'm like different for saying orange. So even your your dad being from Brooklyn says, orange I think so I you know what I'm going to. Ask Them. To be like him on the podcast. Dad, can you name some fruits for me? You know the one the. Caller caller. Off So okay, and then this one is very similar this. L. O.. R. Idea. What do you say? This is the same accent. So I say Florida, I pronounced Odu but a lot of people who I think it's a Jersey thing to would say what Florina? Yeah Yeah that Sounds Very New Jersey to me. Yeah. Yeah. And again because I live in New York New York. I. I'm different because I would say Florida like all of my friends because all of now. Since I mean I'm from Maryland but like when I made the move like everybody I mean you to like you live in a place where. The people that you meet are not from you know yeah, you're transplant. So like I'm so used to hearing Florida orange things like that and Iowa I'm always kind of I'm the one that says it in the weird way it's interesting I think it'd be so cool if someday we could do an episode on the differences of accents within the boroughs of new. York right like Queens, Brooklyn Staten Island I bet there are differences and then Manhattan probably not much of an accent because everyone's transplant right mostly and then also compare that to the new. Jersey accent. Yeah. Definitely that would be much so Lindsey I mean these are just These are important to talk about right and they can help you with your listening skills because you know that you'll hear both rates. If you hear data or data, you won't be surprised right and also I mean Lindsey did you have fun on this episode? Yeah. This has been a really fun episode I don't want it to end. Like we could go on I even thought of a couple of other ones, but we'll do it another time but these this is a fun conversation topic. So this is one that if you're at a party, you're talking to people like this is. Getting into this conversation I'm I'm not sitting here I'm like really I'm I'm genuinely enjoying this I'm like Oh. Would you say what do I say something fun about it's fun it's fun and I mean just real quick. How would we broach this topic with friends or two ways how bring this up? Yeah. So I might say to you like, Oh do you pronounce and spell the word out blank or blank? So like do you pronounce D. A. T. A. Data or data Yeah and then I would just throw in that other one that I mentioned earlier even though that phrases new for you Michelle long at one more time data data doesn't matter race it. You can say it you can make that as a comment in this scenario of talking about this with friends, guys and people like that. It's very natural very la definitely. Okay. So Lindsey has been a lot of fun I love this topic. There's so many more that we could go over. Maybe we'll do another time. Yeah. But yeah, guys remember going over and get in that connected communicated communicator course as you will hear different ways of speaking and you want to, you don't want to get used to hearing one per speak one accent, right so you have to get many different kinds of accents in your head to become a better listener. And English right. So one great way to do it is in that connected communicator course, Linzie work in our listeners get to that. Okay. So go to all ears, English dot com slash connection guys go ahead and join us in there. So good we've got listening focused listening practice in their activities with answers so you can really just use that material use those accents and practice you're listening. All right. So. Guys. We want you to go ahead and have these conversations. This is fun. You'RE GONNA make people laugh you're going to bond connection right? There is a way to use language as connection or sure Okay Lindsay. This has been fun. Let's. Let's do a follow up soon. Some more but I'm glad you have a roof over your head lands. Over my head that's important. Of course, people easier for that, right? Yeah I. Like in the last few weeks even. Okay. All right. All right Lindsey to jump in on. Okay. All right. I was Shell I'll talk to you soon. Have a good one youtube. Thanks for listening to all ears English. If you're taking I'll this year get your estimated band score with our two minute quiz go to all ears English dot com, slash my score, and if you believe in connection not perfection than hit subscribe now to make sure you don't miss anything. See you next time.
Pasture-Raised Egg Producer Vital Farms To Take a Crack at Wall Street
"With centro online from Pitney Bowes, you can quickly and easily print postage stamps and shipping labels, even when working remotely experience a savings in your shipping costs with a free trial of central online. When you visit PBA DOT com slash B W daily. From wonder I'm David Brown and this business worse daily on this Thursday. July sixteenth. Now. Here's a question I bet you've never thought about are happy. Chickens wealthier than unhappy ones or to put it another way. Our Hens with freedom to roam likely to produce greater profits than chickens stuck in cages. One Company says yes, vital farms, one of the country's largest producers of pasture-raised eggs. His filed plans to go public. The stock market is hardly bubbling over with egg producers, which is one reason why vital farms pending IPO stands out also curious what the IPO says about consumers growing interest in purchasing products, especially food from environmentally and socially responsible businesses. Vital Farms is a certified B. Corp that means it's passed rigorous tests of its social environmental and human rights practices, according to Be Labs, the nonprofit that awards B. Corp Certification only about twenty five hundred companies have achieved be court status most are small, and privately held the largest publicly traded be. Corp To date is yogurt maker Danone North America other large, publicly held be corpse, include crafting platform Oetzi and Brazilian beauty products. Business called Notre compared to the multibillion dollar Dan. Own vital farms is tiny. By the husband and wife team of Matt O'hare Catherine Stewart on twenty seven acres in two thousand seven today, vital farm sells eggs to whole foods, sprouts, kroger, and target, or with the last five years, the desire for cage free inhumanely raised eggs, has as evidenced by vital farms sales in two thousand fifteen. Their eggs and other products were sold in forty, two hundred. Hundred stores today they appear on the shelves of thirteen thousand retailers. According to the filing last year, the Austin Texas company sold one hundred forty million dollars worth of eggs along with a small amount of butter and Gee. If that sounds like a lot of farming, it's not worldwide cooks poached scrambled fried and hardboiled more than five billion dollars worth of eggs last year. Vital farms eggs come from hens who roam freely on the pasture, according to the company, it claims its hands live on an average of one hundred eighty square feet, palatial pecking ground compared to only two square feet for caged Hans. Arguably happy chickens pay off. The company has tapped into a trend that's been growing for the last several years. Customers willingness to spend as much as triple, the cost of conventionally raised eggs for the cage free kind. Kind and the market's growing way back in two thousand sixteen. The Motley Fool noted that more and more big buyers from trader Joe's to McDonald's to. starbucks were committing to purchase only cage free eggs within just a few years two years ago, California passed a law outlawing conventional egg sales by twenty twenty two. The state will allow only cage free eggs to be sold in the state, and often we're California goes so follow other smaller states. That all sounds promising for an up and coming ED company, but vital farms business is dwarfed by competition from traditional egg producers and other cage. Free companies to one rival is cow, main foods, the largest, and perhaps the only publicly traded egg producer on the stock market with one point three billion dollars in business last year. Cow Main is the industry's rooster in the Hen House the company produces both cage free and traditionally raised eggs. Vital Farms is also up against other happy chicken companies like Pete and Jerry's whose hands Rome organically grown pastures, according to the industry publication. Food Dive Whether or not to take the plunge and go. Public has been a tough question for any company this year. In this volatile marketplace vital farms, IPO will be well worth watching not only to be able to answer why the chicken crossed Wall Street, but also to examine just how eager the stock market is when it comes to investing in socially responsible businesses, should the IPO succeed? Will it spur publicly traded companies to Pursue Corp Certification? Or, put it interest more be corpse in going public. Questions defender as you track those eggs near frying pan. To be sure. Working remotely with pro online from pitney bowes can easily print postage stamps and shipping labels. 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73: Keep Your Cannabis Business From Going Up In Smoke
"Hey this is Barbara Corcoran. You're now to into business unusual and everything you ever learned about business. Throw it out the window. I'm going to tell you the real real deal listening today. I'm going to answer all your burning questions about work. Life starting a company getting on track and much much more. Be sure who to call in to the business unusual hotline with your question at eight Barbara. That's eight eight eight B. A. R. B. A. R. A. But first selling recreational cannabis is a big business. What you might not know is? The price varies wildly. It goes up and down this dry dry-season hot seasons. What do you do when your customer walks in the prices doubled? How do you build a business with that kind of fluctuation? We're going WANNA hear a little bit from a terrific lady. WHO's exactly wrestling with that problem? So you've been in business you think you know doing everything's going well and then some fancy guy walks in and tells you he knows better and brings his whole team in to overtake Your Business. How do you get rid of I? I like that and his team. And how do you build your confidence in. Never let it happen again. I say it's called Letting Fox India Hen House. We're going to talk to one young woman who's was about to boot that Fox out hi Barbara area and I on a recreational dispensary in the State Native Oregon. My question is how do I mean he my customers loyalty and hockey with fluctuating price. Nice points in our inventory. Most companies can set us. That cost husband buying their inventory at a set cost but in this new industry our costs Salaam price points for buying her towards always fluctuating. But the last four years I have never seen a consistent market trend with the price points for us to by. Ah Making it hard for me to keep price points specifically to so at how you manage keeping your customers happy without entirely eating the cost for the sake of keeping it consistent. Thank you Barbara. I love your show and I listened to everything that you've post Saria Nice to speak impersonate a much higher here. Such inspiration was passed in the morning on the way to work. My wife says you're the only other woman I'm allowed to pay that much. Attention will don't make her jealous and tell me a little bit about your business versus area. Yes so I own cannabis dispensary Recreational dispensary located in organ with our business concepts complications. The cannabis industry is new and sees there's instability with supply as retailer here in Oregon archrivals include dealing with a dry season for at least a quarter of the year which unfortunately fortunately during our busiest time of the year for sales that part of the year where it's very hard to find product. Our cost a lot for wholesale purchasing. Yeah Yeah but we can't double our prices for consumers because customers expect consistent pricing at the end of the year we completely have the opposite. Sit problem were flooded with product. We live in what's known as the Emerald Triangle for early eighty percent entries black market supply is generated here due to the climate but that also drives legal sales down immensely not only do we compete with the black market but we're also competing against the customers themselves elves because they have their own harvest at that time and as far as wholesale purchasing goes our costs are its lowest points during harvest because like everyone else vendors. Anders also harvesting organ. Messed up licensing way too many growers so the market's very competitive. But has of the two eighty eighty e restrictions on cannabis tax. Filing we get hefty taxes on any remaining inventory at the end of the year because cannabis businesses can only deduct doc cost of goods sold having inventory at the end of the year tapes away or any write offs. We have the essence of Your Business. Problem as area is that you have fluctuating supplies. And therefore fluctuating prices yet. Your customer expects a consistency. So they know if they're buying this particular package from you that they're going to pay a similar price and not have sticker shock like what. Why are you charging me so much? Is that what it is. Yes I tried to increase my Graham prices by even just fifty cents and it was uproar really so let me ask you a few more questions I really get to leave your land the competitors that you have do they wrestle with the same issue I would think they would have to. I would assume so yes I mean it seems like it's the entire industry. I don't really get to speak with any of my local competitors much. I've sent sent them flowers but haven't gone returns. At least you're a good sport about that right. Have you ever shopped your competition to see how they're handling the same issue. Barb so you would love this one of the ways I've managed dealing with the price fluctuating in to stay competitive. We look at the price of every single local competitor for each item before it hits the floor I created these things all CPR cards which are Standard imperative pricing reports. And we place. Those are that about list our local competitor's price next to our price next to every item in the store they must love you you competitors that is I think they hate me. Of course it's the best complement complement the world. When you being successful in what you're trying to do in business without a doubt you can actually make the claim legitimately your customer that you'll get the very best price vice here no matter what's going on outside your shop? Portability is one of our highest values that we focus on its WIA got into the industry is giving people access is to affordable safe. But of course you don't want to give affordability at the cost of not making a profit on your goods right. You don't go that far no so so I have on occasion. The Dry seasons have hit where you know. Were literally having no one to sell US lower. We've we've eaten into some of our profits in order to be reliable retailers to keep the customers faith in us during dry season. Raise your prices there as well deserve adore dry season by how much I did it by fifty cents than it was a pretty big uproar from the customers and you said fifty cents on what base price. What percentage increase? Greece are cheapest. Graham goes from three dollars up to five dollars at that time it was four dollars and I increased it up to four fifty in five dollars. Then it was. Some Alec said Backlash People were unhappy. But at the same time our sales of still been consistent and so might have been the customers. Were just unhappy but this is something. That's ongoing in replicates each year so it's something I would love to be able to get a grasp at handling better to make sure sure that I'm keeping the customers happy and learning how to communicate that the best way that I can go. You mentioned the magic word in this. which is where I was thinking as I'm listening to you? It's not ever in business so much what you do but how you do it. I think everything is about communication the messaging that you give your customers. When are you dealing with your customers? This in person face to face over email. What is your means of communicating? Now is your customer. Where direct face-to-face sweet? The tours we may comment and we have them educational lectures when they common to try to cater they experienced them however communicating it right now. We've Ben Cute little marketing pictures where we've put on our wall. That newsflash our costs of double. Did you notice yours. Haven't where trying to also keep them updated with what's what's going on in the industry but let them ill depreciation at the same time to see that we are honoring our value of affordability. We've actually been rated in Oregon's top ten for four consecutive seasons. I really do believe it comes back to being the most affordable. I think probably. It's not just that it's the most affordable but I think he's also that you sound to me like you really care about that customer and they probably pick that messaging of from you every time they deal with you. Is it used at talking to when they come into your Asia yes and no. My Office is really close to the retail room and I can hear everything in fact the staff makes fun of me for Mall. Often come out and answer a question that the staff breath might not be able to answer but before the staff even goes on the floor. I've created accustomed training program that puts them through three weeks of training for cannabis. Information mation knowledge so that they can answer the questions really direct. The customers invested their capability. When I was twenty five is when I opened this company but before I I was working for a really unethical dispensary a new learn the difference of being ethical or not right? Oh my gosh. It was so terribly ran there for most of the dispensaries in California were more black market Ram than really. I ran the win Oregon released in the radio that they were gonNA make get recreational. I quit school studying business at the time a pitch to a business investor and I moved within four months to Oregon to do. Oh good for you at this three. I always wanted to shop at as a customer. It sounds to me like you've found your calling. You're going to be in this business for a long time. And if I was a betting girl I would bet on the fact that you are going to be probably the most successful among your competitive field and I'll tell you why because you're starting at a very a good place. which is you're concerned about your customer? That's at the heart of your business. I don't know if you noticed a you didn't say a single word about quality of what you're selling what your shop looks like. You have your eye on the most important ball. which is you? WanNa keep your customer happy. I have a few thoughts on that number one. I think you've got to get over over the fact that not everybody is happy. Okay I say that from the point of view that when I was building my business I probably spent the first three or four years of that really killing killing myself to try to make every single person happy to be absolutely perfect. It was exhausting but what I learned from that is trying to make the customer happy. Not Perfect is an admirable goal to shoot for us. I think your heart and your head's in the right place. You are also obviously concerned about communicating your messaging messaging to the customers. I can't see those charts you're talking about but I keep visualizing if you're educating people as they come in you have your office tours you have well educated educated personnel who can continue your messaging accurately. I think you probably really need to reexamine how you're communicating the message. That prices prices fluctuate. Would it make any sense. And it's hard for me to say from where I'm sitting here because I can't see your shot but I could pick to you having almost a Dow Jones industrial average like like on your wall. Will you actually chart. I can visualize you becoming the source of what's going on with pricing across your industry. Not just what you sell in the shop but that you could establish under your shop name the index of grass prices or whatever. Is the right terminology for something like that. Maybe brainstorm orm with your staff has to come up with a few labels for that then. I think it'd be wise honestly if you published it actually as the source. I think you'd get publicity from it. I think people would see you as the individual who's on top of pricing and also when people come into that shop I could see that index so to speak the grass index. A showing when the best time of year is coming up to buy grass so that you give him a good news next month we really expect prices to go down right now. The very high next next month ago and come down but three months from now. They'll probably go. Hi again so you totally inform them that in a way of justifying what you're charging today but putting it in an annual newell contexts because you do have an annual context from what I just heard from you this up and down and there's a pattern all that I think if you can communicate that as an expert hurt and let it be up to them when they WANNA buy their grass. I mean if they're coming in and your prices are extremely high. Because you're the dry period you can have that on that chart dry a period and you could show actually how the prices fluctuate the other one thing. I think you have a claim for because you said you're smart enough to shop you competition and do you know exactly what the competition is doing. I think you could make a guarantee if you can find your grass cheaper anywhere else the same variety of grass than you find it here. We'll match that price. I mean that's such trick in all marketing but it's very effective way keeps going on. I keep calling grass. I'm not in Oregon. Is that what people call a grass. That's that's okay it's a it's an old school word for definitely but as far as bad. That's amazing advice. We can compete. And we do current Price snatching on topical 's Lotions Animals. As far as Rascasse with the cannabis every grower grows differently Bentley so the percentages in the strength varies immensely. So in the unthinking shop that we can't price-match on because it might way lower potency at another shop compared to ours Ursa this really any industry. But you know what I think. Because you're such an honest person in a very particular Taylor person so concerned about the view of your customer. I still think you make a broad claim and say we guarantee that we will give you any of our product at the rock bottom prices guaranteed as long as you inform them about the fluctuations in the market and really think through how that could be communicated in one stop shop picture. It's great to talk people and explain it away but can border on sounding like an excuse like this is why prices high. These are excuses. I think if you put. But in a context of the annual ups and downs the EBBS and flows of market pricing based on supply. People would maybe read it a little differently. Let's let's say that that is successful with eight out of ten of your customers. You need still have a grumpy person. Coming in and grumpy and grumbling they're not gonna get any better anywhere else you know. No one's going to sell product at a loss and I hope to God. You don't love the customer enough to do that because I can tell you something. It never makes sense in business. Sell anything out of loss. I think changing your own attitude attitude that you'll make eighty percent of the people happy and you communicate in a much more visual way. Might help people to see the general picture a little bit better. That would be my best advice. Thank you thank you so much wrote all of this down. I'm very excited to implement. Barb would you mind if I ask you one last question. Okay my I partner and I have decided to go our separate ways. We're actually putting on the market loses time in my life. You know being in my twenties. I'm going to actually. We have a large lump sum to invest in move forward with. Why sell the business your love with that business? I think you're crazy. I am in love with it and I didn't want to the genus. Is that the market value for licenses and businesses alone for cannabis are so high like we only put hundred eighty thousand into it. In our listing prices one acquaint to and with that being said I have the option from arbitration to buy him out at fifty percent. But I've been underpaid a fair market it wage for the last three years because of my eagerness to get into the industry and I agreed to a rock bottom wage getting into a really wanted the opportunity to prove myself self in the business like I said the business was rated in the top ten for four seasons but not made its value. Go skyrocket in. I don't Avi half a million to be able to buy him out L.. Let that does mean is all at least get that to move forward with my own project now. I have two ways I can go with that and I'm just wondering what you would recommend based off of listening to me and now knowing a little bit more about my background. I have a high risk but a high return option that you talked about how I love communicating the prices. The how it should do it more. And there's what that is ask you something the more basic question. Yeah why wouldn't you buy him amount and pay off over time. Are you fifty percent of the partnership yet. The arbitrator didn't give me the right to pay him off over time told me I had had to just buy him out because he was trying to force me to sell completely was the arbitration binding on you as area as it was. Yeah breaks my heart art. Learn from it but like I said I'm going to have the slump psalm. In I can either play it safe in going do another dispensary which to be honest. Barb there's only thirty thousand and and although we have eight competitors and our numbers on sales have still doubled. 'cause we were one of two in the beginning. It's very low return compared to in. May I ask you something if you have to pay him out. Which is poor negotiation? You can't get another partner to put up the money for his half of the business. I haven't now that I feel. It could trust to work with again. What did you advertise for pure financial partner? You've got a great business by the Tail Tale. You know what you're doing you. Wild s enthusiasm comes across on the phone and for you to start it again at higher. Prices Ain't gonNA happen so easily if you why would you look for financial partner dying to get into the business. Why change it in other cities were portals are open like for example in Los Angeles we were doing twenty thousand dollars easy day in this small town of Oregon where it was recreational? I so I came up here to get my footing in to get my financial egg move forward. We're lucky to do three to five thousand new rather go to a city. We need to do a better job. I would rather go to a bigger city where could spend the the same amount of money but I think you have your answer and I like that idea. I'd rather you keep what you have but if you stay in the business I think you'd be loving yourself taking that decision. I think it's terrible. If you leave it you don't think doing a big risks. Big when bidding platform perhaps in cannabis would be worth it. There's no one else. Do we married now on the market and a lot of these farmers don't have anywhere to sell their product. You know what I would suggest first of all. I can't really advise you option a OR OPTION AND BE I. I could tell you if you stay in the business and another shop in a better town. You're going to do very well that I could hear so far as the other opportunity. My only advice so you would be. What does your gut say? Listen to your gut if you think there's something there and you can't even define clearly what it is but you got says this is a great opportunity than and don't waste a second doing it. Just go and do it. You Got US never wrong. Business your natural born on nor you should trust your gut and let me know where you land. Because I have total confidence Vince. You'll learn in the right place. Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate all of your advice and I've got multiple pages of notes and I wish I had another two hours to spend with you honestly as area area but thank you so much for giving me time. Thank you so much. Okay bye bye. Let's take a short break. You talk about a company and he loved my friends that did business loans. Let's take a moment to recognize the good guys who sponsored this podcast. My friends at on-deck I can tell you on deck is the real deal deal. They offer small business loans up to five hundred thousand dollars with a decision in minutes and funding in as fast as one. Yup that's one one Business Day Compare that to the thirty three hours. It typically takes to apply for a loan at a big bank on Dick Values cash flow. Not just your credit score and their dedicated loan advisers are with you every step of the way visit on dot com slash farber to receive your free consultation insulation. Today that's ondeck dot com slash Barbara ondeck dot com slash Barbara. Okay back back to the show. Now let's get back to the show. Hey Barbara my name is. And I'm going from being a solo per Noor to being a entrepreneur who has a team a few level team creating my own new product getting manufactured and I've uh-huh been struggling with going from being a solo premature to working with others in a corporate manner not knowing business advocate. I've generally work from home with my toddler. A happy kind of up going personality and I feel like sometimes I just am not taken seriously And my intelligence might not be realized because speak or because of business etiquette. I'm unaware of what would your suggestion be. Be for preparing myself to be taken more seriously as a strong woman in the entrepreneurial space. Thanks highly sets. Barb job how far it is so nice to meet you and thank you so much for inviting me on my pleasure. You know what I really liked about your question is I hear lots of women. Ask version of it again and again so I think it applies to a lot of people so by you having the question. I think you're going to help a lot of the listeners which of course I always want to do so so many women seem to question themselves as to are there being taken seriously and how do they improve themselves so that they could be perceived quite differently and I think that's at the root of your questions. Well I have a few questions for you so that I could get a better lay of the land. Okay you said that. You're now a co-founder dry soon. You were originally the founder of this business and could you tell me what your business does well right now our product which is my patented convention mud so much success selling other people's products I decided while Sugata Selami on it takes the expense. The permanency patsy the risk the recovery time in the pain out of certain medical cosmetic procedures. Wow Yeah like Bo. Talks for example yeah or Brazilian Butler lift so everybody wants that. Big Butts and women are dying. Mothers are dying to know that it's a a very risky procedure. Spin making news. How it's as risky as gallbladder procedure? People are dying so they can look in the mirror and love their curves herbs. Okay so this was the business you started. You have a solution for that. Is that some kind of a cream. You don't have to tell me exactly how it works. But I'm just curious as eh topical ointments or something like that or a change in medical procedure vastly different. It is actually neither. It falls under FEM technology garment women so tech where And I found a great manufacturer to partner with. We've got our pitch deck. We've got a mock side in a business plan and but for some reason the dynamic with the team is kind of dragging along. I'm not sure if it's because I'm the youngest because I'm female 'cause they already already have much more success. I wanted to be the guy that surrounded himself with all smarter people to help me grow. That's admirable and takes good deal of confidence offense. Could few most people don't do that. May I ask you. You mentioned I think in your question that there was a co-founder do have another founder. That is your partner on this. It goes is back to that age old. Saying if you're the smartest person in the room you are in the wrong room so I thought I better get some co-founders offer for them. Some equity who are already more successful and so I started networking. I found a great cmo. He has multiple companies. He's got a great following and we're launching and Co authoring a massive book. That's launching this November with over fifty digital entrepreneurs it's GonNa be very successful in a bestseller seller. Is that why you brought him in a CO founder. So that you could market a book together. No I was actually offered the spot in the book before before. And when he became my co-founder and I felt while this is a great guy he sees my vision and he was even then offered to bring in his partner honor as my cto and then he introduced me to my see. Oh you got a CO founder. And then he brought in his CTO and also brought to the COO. Oh are they full time in your job. Or they're an advisory board there an advisory board and so they have definitely been more more advising than kind of in the trenches with me. Is that what you expected when you invited him in. Or did you think you are going to get an operating partner. WHO's GonNa be in the Business Day in and day out? I thought I would get an operating partner but I was well aware that he has a lot of other projects going and I love him. He's a great guy. I was hoping he would be a lot more active. And I WANNA move at the speed of light. I sold my other corporation. I'm going all in on this business. I kept fifty one percent equity in the company and I did beat up the rest equity a lot. Yeah I feel a lot now. I don't feel like I'm getting much in turn so I love these people but they're very busy. I'm not sure how to approach them and say. Hey I need weekly meetings. I need more speed need. I need to be taken seriously. This is my baby for the next five ten years. This is going to be my billion dollar baby. I need you on board. Are you in with me without out of studying. The relationship are hurting the dynamic. I think I can help you. Here let me ask you do they already own forty-nine percent of your stock or does it vest vest over time we just incorporated a simple LLC and we just put them with the forty nine divvied up evenly and me with the fifty one. We haven't even in put in any other legal writing. So I thought well if they really aren't in on it. Maybe I could restructure create a new business and say I'm going to incorporate separately and go my own way since you guys just aren't available which doesn't mean I don't love them. I think they're amazing. 'cause I do who controls the patent I do. It's in my name. And it's is not in the other corporation that you set up where they control forty nine percent nope okay. You don't mind me. Just speaking very directly right saves not at all. You've got to get rid of them the whole bunch lunch and I'll tell you why and about how you do. It is something else mention just in a minute but let me tell you why you have to get rid of them. People who act his advisors even if you had hoped that they would really be knee deep in the mud with you and be there accessible. When you rent this bump to give you great guidance I get that it why you would do that and sadly it is very often what women do when they doubt their own ability and get somebody really experienced almost always? He's male almost always. Male really isn't a female lead team that comes in and then they bring all their men. It's like their team comes in and plants themselves in the business whether or not the team is on the outside or on the inside in a way. Lucky that they're not in your office because even drive you crazy you might think that would be nice. But as long as their interests are spread among many interests you can never get from them. What you were dreaming about getting there just advisers? The people want stock options and they have good intent. But it's just not the right fit for you. You shouldn't have a single fort in your mind about how to communicate better about how to have a corporate structure. Some of the things you mentioned you should really just see your business as an extension of your own personality. And that's good enough so so whatever you're communicating style is however you run a team whatever kind of passion that you like to communicate as you wish should be good enough for anyone who works for you. The problem with getting somebody really experienced from a corporate environment is too God damn fancy and not that they designed themselves to be fancy but their experience appearance made them fancy and so they're suggestions never really fit. Anyway how do I know this fact. And why do I feel so strongly about it. Because I invest in businesses every day of my life life. I work with entrepreneurs day in and day out who very often early on the stages would bring in heavyweights call heavyweight people. WHOA who they know own name? Drop the actress. Amazing the fancy team. That's come into your business. You've got to get back to basics. The main thing is you realized that you created created something that has value. If it didn't have value none of these people would have been attracted to the second thing is you've got to get rid of them okay. Now how do you get rid of you. Get rid rid of them by nicely. Saying I've changed my mind. You don't have to worry about being a bad girl you don't have to worry about upsetting them. I could just hear in your voice voice your lovely woman with a good deal of power. But you don't have to keep that sense of. I don't want to disappoint them. I don't WanNA change my mind. I don't want them to think badly of me. Leave it all behind right because you're the one that controls the gold youth thought of the business you on the patent. It's your baby so it's almost like trying to keep your neighbor in houses down the street. Happy about your kids. What does that have to do with them? It's your baby. You take the charge responsible for it and make it in your own likeness. Because that's what got you going and when you lose that I have seen so many businesses go off the rails slow down you lose your entrepreneurial edge. It's one one thing if you create your own team that necessarily aren't smarter than you. They might have a gift. That's a little smarter than you in this way or lots more like the great at finance. And you're not great great team member but you should never bring in people that you think are smarter than your period are smarter than you because no-one Smarter Than The entrepreneur that had the concept and Bertha Child. Well that's where the real smarts is. That's what created something from nothing. Okay I've got another question for you to if I want to pitch to a board of directors attorney that own a holding company. How do I get in front of that audience? If I'm say okay. Goodbye all these people with their rolodex in their connections. How does it's just me going with no ROLODEX? There Connections Maine. Where do I start? What are you pitching for? Why would you WanNa meet with them? Why I'd like to pitch for boy around of investors where you living now? I'm in the San Francisco Bay area more in the suburbs so close the Silicon Valley but found tech. It's not actually tech Why don't you ask these big shots to make introductions for you I have they WanNa make sure I have my mvp everything everything done? And then I've got it and I'm waiting and they're busy people will. It's not gonNA happen. Actually are there women's groups that invest in Silicon Valley. The generally generally isn't any major city women that like to invest in female businesses. Oh I am sure that there is and it probably would not be difficult to find. No because what they wanna they do. is they want to hear lots of pitches and invest their monies. That's been a huge help to women who are entrepreneurs who don't do as well in the old boy network not that you wouldn't because I'll tell you your communication style. It's just what everybody really wants in founder and CEO but you have have to leave behind the fact that you might be an inadequate in any regard. It's really more of a confidence game. Honest to God I could relate to you in one way. Of course I wasn't in in your field at all. I was in the real estate field but when I wanted to meet the big developers in town I was a nobody a blue collar worker with no staff. No this no that I. I generally found that persistence and research was probably my best single trait. Because I was always finding a way to get to who I wanted. It wasn't until years back I look back and realize I could have had a half the I Q. I had but the idea that I knew how to persistent and get to who I wanted it again was more responsible for growing my business than any other talent I had but you have a patent a needed service. That alone stands on itself and you're a great communicator. Just get access find a way. I have no doubt in my mind. You'll get access. I would like you to really think of yourself as having the whole package. You don't need anybody anymore. You just don't need anybody you need investors. Clearly if that's what you WANNA do but you don't need other people all to make your business. Fancy all that fancy lingo all that corporate stuff gets in the way and rooms more businesses you have a clean communication -cation style. I'm persuaded I'm like in love with you and I and I meet billions of people but if I could be persuaded in a short conversation to wow this chick is hot shit shit. How many other people could be persuaded just as you stand on your own two feet? I think it's endless and I feel so confident and empowered and I just love. What are you doing to empower so many women? That's you deserve. Thank you okay. I'll be looking forward to hearing great things about you. Thank you so so much by route. I am going to take actionable steps to work in this gate invites and push forward at the speed of light. Because I know that I'm GonNa make this happen. Good enough just get that dear John Letter up against those monkeys off your back. All right thanks Barbara. And that's all the questions. We have time for today if you have a question. Leave me a voicemail on the business unusual hotline eight eight eight Barbara. That's eight eight B. A. R. Aren't a you can also tweet it to me at Barbara Corcoran and I may just answered on a future episode. You've been listening to business unusual with me. Barbara Corcoran come back. Next week. To hear more steps and missteps. I took on the path to success. Search and follow is unusual on iheartradio or subscribe wherever. You listen to podcasts Asian.
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"Everybody welcome to another episode of. Who invited her. We are san diego's. Lgbtq pop culture podcast. I'm your host. Tony and i am here with the gilbert godfrey of drag miss mariuchi c. I. she heard me miss mariam jay. She is back this week and produce arrived. The one who shush is a library is here to see. I rob everybody. I'm here to and we have very very special guest. We have a amer. I'm gonna. I'm gonna mess up the last names. i always do. Show mauger dolts. Yes from gossip crooked joining us today for the full hour. Welcome welcome ladies. How are you this morning so for people who don't know gossip girl here in san diego. We've talked a lot on our show but the owner of gossip grill. So it's pleasure to have you on the show in get into what gossip is all because it is one of the last lady bars in america which i find astonishing but are you both dawn. And are you both from san diego originally or did you are you guys transplants. I am actually from southern california. Close i grew up in la riverside orange county and then moved here about twenty years ago. And don is what ordinarily fourth-generation san diego native all from her crest and north park. Only mothers yeah native here to born and raised. But i was south bay and east county and then came out here. When i came back zambia stuff but you're a member you don you remember. North park will be four north when you went to north park to drugs and hookers and it was just like you know there was rough. It is our always gays and eligible. What means that was what. It was my mom salon on thirtieth street for air for gotcha affect forty some years. When she finally retired the woman that ran the salon was ninety eight years old. How ya'll suit with your. Did you get here mo to san diego august and ninety nine ninety nine suppo. They've you remember when hillcrest had way more gay bars than it does now like there was just so many the flame. And that's where. I remember seeing mo for the first time was the fame. 'cause you were bartender up day and air yeah. How long did you work out the flame before you moved on from there i worked there for three and a half years. I worked started I tell the story later because it's a great story by starting security guard and then worked my way up to bartender manager and i worked until the last was opened undercard. Aeko show those reunite at betty's the same weaken the last week in the blame was open was the first weekend that we were training for betty. Yourselves on double duty. Was that part of hillcrest on park. We had The flame was their numbers was there. We had bourbon street back in the day. And lay lounges. Right next to that. And all those places unfortunately are gone now. Inches so sad but even in san diego the number of because they lesbian bars. There's only one you guys and you don't you don't market it as a lesbian bar. It's a woman's bar. So yeah i had had with my business partners on that and almost walked out of the deal because they wanted it to be a lesbian bar. I knew it was going to survive as a lesbian bar. Number one number two. I just don't work that way. And i think the whole everybody everything so we are a women's bar so we catered old women straight gay bi. Whatever it doesn't matter of the between and the lgbtq community can like. I'd say we the lgbtq plus alphabet where capita l. casualty. Oh i love that. I love that and that's how gossip since day one. I remembered it's like 'cause it's like everybody's welcome and there used to be more lesbian bars. Here like six degrees in bombay lounge. I remember going into those so many point there was there was patties offices in there too now. Gossip girl is the only one in california is shocking. Yes why is that. Do you think my personal opinion is a lotta lesbian bars or bars. You know they. They are strong lesbian bars. And usually when you think about a gay bar outside of san diego you think ooh scary dyke far as a male. You know. I'm not welcome air and you. That doesn't work in this age. You know you have to be able to pivot and you have to be able to read the room so to say and our success is being open to everybody and everything but still keeping it a safe fun play for women but a lot of bars at when they didn't want to change the way they want the state who they were and it just doesn't work in this time have known. that's what my favorite things about gossip. Girl is that it is a trans women safe. Transplants in general. But so many trans women feel safe at gossip grill. And i love that. There's so many stations near that truly is a women's bar it really really is i. I've always loved going and gossip because they feel like i don't have to be on in front of all the gay men and have the perfect game men aesthetic. I feel great. that's awesome. I heard other times like i like coming. here i don't have to work so hard and the lesbian dramas not the gameboy. Lesbian draws agree. Yeah so how. When did you decide to open gossip girl. When did that happen. And how did the concept of gossip girl come about so into nine. Bettys for Four and a half almost five years about five years. And i was there number one salesperson. I created my own business within a business. Top southern in one top sellers in the company and stefan came to me and ask me. What do you think about opening a lesbian bar. And i was like absolutely not. I mean i have worked at the flame manager plane. I was thinking. I love my boys. I loved what i did. I made great money with twenty six hours a week and i was very happy so no thanking and he was kind of shocked so he came back at me again in a few weeks later offered again and i turned it down a second time and then him and chris came to me and there was some ownership dangled at that point. So is no longer. Gm position was like a gm owner ownership position. And so then. I said yes but then the one thing was that had the women's bar and how how did they take that instead of your original. No really we kind of It's so funny now. Because i never fight my business partners we get along really really well and we have a great working relationship. We worked together now for eleven years. And i never fight with them but that day. It was a full on fight. We're at a coaching seminar with our business coach in downtown. La at the crown hotel or something. Like that in the bobby and the like standing up like this is how it needs to be like. It's not gonna work. It needs to be a lesson barton mike. Here's finally came down to. Here's the deal. It's either a women's bar. Or i walk and i go back to betty's in your all on your you know like it wasn't there was no negotiating and saddam was kicking me under the table. They stick to your guns stick to your guns. But he wasn't standing up and saying anything. But i it was a big payoff. I mean gossip is a staple in our community and it's starts in the country. I mean i i can put number one ranked second so abor probably ranked number one credible especially for for california that it's the only one in california which is still shocking shocking to me but it's been how have okay i. How have gossip. How have you guys been handling the pandemic in how has how has that changed your business. Because they know it's affected everybody but for you guys. How did we have a nightclub bar for folks that are not san diego. We are a one stop shop under one roof. You know we are food brunch lunch dinner. We are bar. We are nightclub. Entertainment shows comedy dragged where everything under one roof. Eighty percent of our business comes from nightclub and bar so losing that right now and it's not coming back anytime soon. It's resources to pivot and really concentrate on our food and become a restaurant But one thing that we cannot deny about gossip is where liquor for. It's all about booze are like spring so we've really had to be very creative and think outside the box and become your one. Stop boo shot now. So we do lots of to go cocktail kitson and party packs a virtual reality events where you buy your drinking make drinks with us. We are selling wholesale bottles. So we're doing a lot of these liquor events that is helping us move along through it but it's not one of the highest rents and hillcrest. Oh and the menu customer. So good the mac and cheese is like bomb. It's so good. I know it is. It is the best when you get super high to order. I e every wednesday night. After bingo i would just. I would have my lashes off my contacts out and my lipstick off and i would be sitting in my underwear on my couch. Eating that grilled cheese good freedom thirty martinez show. Yeah don to meet love. Yeah it's totally. It's so bad. So i haven't had the meatloaf yet no it's good. It's really good to me. Don you guys me. And how long have you guys been together. We have been together for over ten years ten years. We've been together over ten years. We actually met at gaza. Yep i know i have. I haven't really strict rule. I don't date guest date regulars. I've never dated a regular. Uh that's rule number one for me. I don't shit where heat sort of thing and her friend was sitting at my bar asking me which type type type in like it doesn't matter. I'm not dating fran leave. My bar was trying to be nice. And then you start getting really annoyed. And i'm like move out of the line behind us. I just tell me your time. I did not know this was happening. Do on here. But don was also like i don't date bartenders right bartender. Because let me tell you. I love don. Because don's a boozy bitch and then you guys meh after that and then it was just so she. She came out of the bathroom. Having this conversation with his name is scotty. He's he's got credit for this all happen. Even though at that time i was i came out of the bathroom. And she's walking. But i walk into the born. Mike and the bar and she's like ask she actually asked you to was is she asked me. She's like so where's a place. Go round got more women working girls like obviously it wasn't working for her there. You know type thing and all on a quiet night. It was quite nice. It was early. Early and scotty was behind her thumbs up thumbs down and i was like. Yeah yeah now exactly but he actually had grabbed her information and had written on a piece of paper and we had our you know we had a call girl night because scott to become a he'd spend the night at our at my house and we would you know we got our he was my. He was my girlfriend now so we basically the next morning. If you woke up he had her information in his pocket and he actually thrown it away. And i pulled out of the trash and we looked up at that time was all about facebook and look up on facebook and scotty did all the rest and started making that happen and we ended up dating saw. Yeah we went on. A date went really well and then and true lesbian fashion. Our second day mariam you'll get a kick out of this. Are second day was driving to las vegas and seen stevie nicks and staying the night only does. Hey it's either really well. That's a long drive isn't it. You really get to know somebody on that dry. What you guys do you realize like. Oh no oh no not each other now where we are absolutely she would have been like. I'm going to catch a flight back idea. Also i had my truck service would have done the same thing as done like this isn't working. I gotta go by. And i could see points. This is fine. We're absolutely very well. And you're going to stay on your own or or it's gonna go really well. Both were stevie neck so it was kind of a love affair and now we've seen her wash. I think almost eighteen different times. Yeah i seen. I've seen stevie nicks either in conjunction with mac. Tom petty by yourself Probably about thirty five times talking about we've gone to newark flown to new york. We we've zero. Yeah so anyway whatever. That's a good story. I like that. So we have somebody from san diego is coming to sunday and they were going to. Gossip grow for the very first time. What could they expect. Asset isn't over the top find experience. I always say it has a heartbeat of its own. It it's one of those places at and when you drive down the street you can kind of the energy coming in. You're like what what's that place and when you go in it's just warm and welcoming bun and just over the top. It's got a boardwalk someone. you can't just go to gossip for half hour and our how our house about opened. Go ahead done also plans next morning or you have to get up early. It's probably not gonna be the place for you that day. Make sure that you are prepared to be horizontal the next day. We're back in for your shampoo. So gossip open october halloween time right. Two thousand nine thirty two thousand nine during the recession in the rainiest year on record to a restaurant. And i sound two thousand nine that october. September is when robin i. I met and we started dating so for us gossip and we were talking about this before the show. Gossip guilt grill for us has been a staple any kind of relationship in our lives because separately like we had our own moments there. And then i was thinking back. I'm like and we were talking about all of the adventures within our lives. That have happened gossip. There are a lot and idea realized that was that was gossip grow. Yup that was gossip grill. Yeah it's really interesting and it was the old space. I remember the old space which yeah which now memory today on as my memory on facebook popped up. It was gossip is moving. It was the ad i was like. Oh my god. That'd be wary that we've moved to. I remember going to gossip. Shen at the it was where right next. Hpc where harley gray was awhile oscar. it's we have very fond memories and still do of gossip. Like oh man i i. Was there karaoke so many times with my friend. Lena and like there's been so many stories so many prides at gossip career waking up the next day and be like. Oh shit what did they do. I missed the frozen that you guys. I was john. Two thousand he was summer. Two thousand eighteen was addicted to those. Every time he went out taller with drink. They were so all around the nine. What about you rob. I know you have memories of gaza. Yeah well one of them was not it was it was a. It was a memory but i. We hadn't been there very long. And we were there with the group of friends. And i might have been the only white guy there with our group of friends who is my sister's birthday remember. She loves goss. And i was her jam. I just got my drink. And and they're all dancing because it the old space had the little dance floor but like all of a sudden like well. They're like quit dancing. Linka white boy and like put some hip into move and like mike. Okay so i tried it next thing. I know i dislocated my knee. Drink is all over the floor. And then i'm like all right. I'm just gonna take a cab home because my knees like gone like he's got. Yeah you has taken home. Yeah physical therapy for six months. And i remember i was really drunk a main so i was like. Are you okay. I'm gonna drop you off at the house my walk back. The party with vases came home that night. And you're just called and then you really dislocated your knee. This physical therapies for six months after that race. The single most caucasian thing. I've heard right. This is why. I don't dance injuries just from falling barstool. I was super excited when you guys moved to the new location where you currently are is so much bigger and just so much more comfortable. And it's like the perfect location in hillcrest tail which have dance license. We used to always grand say. You can't dance yup sway because it's not a weapon in our dan our liquor license. We weren't allowed to dance even though it would happened anyway and we knew after six months i looked at savan said we need a bigger boat. We need a bigger place so just kind of kept looking at me like at that space times over. Say no because they're sweeter for bars that were in there at the new location in four years after and look but we didn't want to take the whole race because the places mass sixteen thousand square feet. We just wanted six thousand space that we have and finally after the third time business going out there. She called us. Collison said okay. I'll break it up. You know so. That's up there. Had to wait. Time has wrong. When i remember it was it was universal and then there was another one and i was the patio. The the main one was part of the other building. If i remember it was aiding needed rain opened up into what is now sleep trend yet because it was big doorway and you can go in and out of the way back in the only guy. What do you think of seeing that. The old building aflame. They're keeping the facade their opening it up. I heard rumors of jazz bar. And then there's gonna be with the condos above or something like that. yeah i mean ramos icon. It took the landmark. There's a lot of stories for all you folks at home. Wilson story about the flame Flames well probably not any more. But it was really extremely wanted back in the day. I awful The brothel was burned down by the christian coalition black in like thirties. I think it was. I don't remember the date and anne who was a manager of the bronco manager. She died in the fire and then there was another prisoner was stabbed in there in the eighties and of spirits. A lot of stories and the things that would happen there early on. I love that shit. I am not just any like talk for all the time because she would move drinks channels. You know things at barstools ball over and all these things. I m e you know but Yeah plane come out on the jam one day. The city's finding square dancers. They used their dance floor on wednesday bartender fired. I'm like what and i go out there. It's the off from bob machine now for folks that don't work in clubs or know about fought fungus berry heavy so if you're not if you don't have bodies mix it up it kind of rolls along the bar like literally walk in the bar. It's super creating and so it kinda started crawling on the bottom. Like what the heck. So i go to jaber. The fog machine is unplugged. Would not it was but it was working. This is a prime example of stuck. That would happen. It got the flame all the time. Gotta gimme an nexus. Gimme out of air and its own. I didn't know that about maybe. This is why we have a ghost here. Too i know are haunted. We have a ghost freaking. Claude is a nightmare. Claude is very much. go ahead the new. We don't have any issues but we didn't have any issues until recently with spirits anything. We have an amazing tony. I don't know if you know this an rob both. Y'all when other mariam. I told you but there is a hap- disco ball on inside in that vip area. But i'm saying the queen's perform that ball is bette midler disco ball that she used to come down on at caesar's palace block about it like while. Bet you come down this disco ball that is that disco ball. Stefan flew to vegas bought it and then trinity you. All none of us had a big enough vehicle to get it back and drove back across mortar to get it back west biased in that disco ball. We have created a shrine for all the folks that have passed. Suicide is a real thing in our community and you know we have unfortunately lost a lot of our our guests and friends So anybody is welcome to put a picture of one of our guests. Someone they'd loss up there so there are always with us always on dances. What was always part of that. I have no idea what is up there. I have no idea but in the last in the last like eight months. We've got something. There is some their arms spirit. Now gossip like i've never felt it until recently. Mike snap them telling me about it on all the time and i think i know who it is a it is it it. Is it a great my sage on third album. Mary spirit or oh yeah. It's so special. Is we would do this kind of offering. Have we had quite a few people that have literally and it saying not enough funeral there. But have a memorial gathering memorial me popped up. Picture up in the disco is a home away. It's other home. It's a home away from home. It is that's you go especially in the women's munity when something bad happened such as orlando this shootings at orlando or the power outage in two thousand nine thousand. Ten people don't know where to go so they come home. They come together. that's why the scientists welcome beautiful. You know it's like we're going home so whenever we lose someone our communities very common. They rejected Can just meet a gossiper. You're okay with that. I just need to be around my family. you know. just be run my community. So i did not. I did not know that tidbit and everybody that listens to this show knows i am like the biggest bette midler fan so i was like stevie the way yeah. I went back like literally since sixth grade. I've been obsessed with her and he still did not know that i always wondered about that is because i remember i. I've seen it there. But oh my god now that's going to have a whole another meaning for me atika. Wow so what are the other things that you guys are doing during this pandemic. I enjoy because i tuned in was hen house. Happy hour quarantine you know. I was bored. I was at home. I mean we weren't really doing too much at the time. I was working but it was minimal. We weren't open. And so. I started doing henhouse videos at home. Just kinda teaching people how to make cocktails and hannity fun. Things like balancing martini on your head. It wasn't just cocktail ranted. It's also fun player stuff work just little tricks of the trade and it went really really well so during the second shutdown we decide to take it a step further and kind of go live on gossip flat instead of it being something. I'm doing on the side. Take it by with gossip and sell bring kits so you can actually get your kid ahead of time. I put out the drink. We're gonna make everything is packaged up for you. We keep them usually twenty five route. Twenty five dollars an four drinks so radio and you can take your kid home and we make it together and don helps me she now behind the bar with me Which is great. Because he's not a bartender and she doesn't she works in the beauty hair world so It's good for her to be back there because she asked me questions that i don't think about you know and i am the professional and she's not so it's good amock. We play off each other real. Well i love to make her soup. Broken breath thing quality. Atty just loves that my mother last week i think well that's just because your mom had made some kind of common that her being mommy and i said that makes sure about his uncomfortable when i call her daddy but it isn't entertaining show and you you go like i don't i. I don't look at you as a bartender. More of mixologist. 'cause you really know your booze way more than like i do. I was like there are different. Kinds of whiskies bourbons. I did not know that there was all the a really connected the story. And that's i think. What makes the hen house a little different than a lot of cocktail. Virtual events is bounded. The brand is about the history especially with whiskey. There's so much history in the he's a lot of these stiller they go back onto two years. So i i like sharing this story where it comes from and what it means. How do you pick which like this last episode. You did on thursd. Thursday believe it was right which one a child yeah right. How do you guys pig. Which when you're gonna feature 'cause i think that no was it the one from seattle. You guys were talking about. Yeah how do you pick which which whiskey or bourbon or whatever the main liquor is like. Where do you pick it from. And how do you find these questions. Usually i like something. I like number two the flavor profiles gotta match the drink. Woodinville has a very rier ri- heavy more moult nashville versus corn. So it goes really well with that drink. I know a lot about this. Random stuff so that's usually how he picked. I also take care of the folks that take care of me and during this pandemic woodinville stepped up. Jamison stepped up. Tito's stepped up hugely. They've paid for my staff that given us you know gift cards to grocery store so they can actually eat dinner. There's grant programs going on from them. And they've really basically comes at emory. My card for however much money could be a couple hundred thousand can be multi thousand and i want this to go to you and your staff so you guys can survive so those brands that have really been there for us. I wanna make sure. I support them and give back in ways. I can also choose zero passionate about or you know. It's not just if it's something that she's not into than you really don't write lights. I like liquor to have a good story like uncle. Nearest uncle nearest minute jam. It's a whiskey but it's actually uncle. Nearest is made by the family of ernest green. Who was the one that taught jack. Daniels whiskey were in the history of jack daniels eight credit. The shop owner that jack worked for in training them to make whisky but really it was ernest green. Who was a slave. He was enslaved owned by the shopkeeper and he was a number one distiller whiskey at like thirteen years old and he taught jack daniels had to make it in the became his master distiller his family. Three generations later still work. Lot was family still works for jack in our whiskey in the whiskey business. His great granddaughter is a master blender and they started a uncle nurse whiskey company in pain respects ernest green and she is the one that did the master blending the newest whiskey the eighteen hundred four. That's out right now. jack daniels. The company jack. Daniel's says rewritten all the history books to include ernest screen because he was written out of it because he was asleep. While wow this shit be like. I would be more inclined to buy a whiskey if i know that back. I'm like no wines story. Yeah laura listen and not actually watching but mo- keeps looking up and we have a bar that's on the other side of where we're we're sitting right now with over one hundred and fifty different models my favorite part about knowing full bar. What are you talking about more than most bars. But between all the whiskeys agenda tequila the vodka's the cognac brandies. Plus we've got a almost four hundred bottle wine refrigerator to we like to drink. It's kind of part of our whose house really become such a focus for us so it is very enjoyable because like with anything like we try to do with this show you get a bit of education and entertainment and i think that's super important -portant it and you you to do that with a hen house you go in you leave with something you did. It know and you highly entertained so it is like the perfect company for our listeners. If there is somebody going out in their looking. They don't know what kind of whiskey or bourbon to buy. What would what advice would you give them when they're looking into. I need to buy wanted by somebody a gift. A nice bottle of whisky. what would it be. Or how do. I go about shopping for that. I probably would go with blends a little squirrelly if you don't you're looking for because it could end up be crappy. Yea well i enjoyed ones that you gotta know what you're looking for with that your status is go with something that is labeled bourbon or labeled ri- I personally like ryan more. But i think for beginner some of his rather new bourbon or irish. Jameson is always a good starter. If the spurting whiskey and then you can go from there. But it's a little bit reader. Irish whiskeys or have more of a mole content so A little eater and wis bourbons are born in riser. Obviously ri- he's gonna go with a a a bourbon. Bergman says bourbon horrible. You know when you start giving the bland it'd be it could be. It could be something like house. You don't know what the other the other thing. I find very interesting. That has always confused me even when eighteen into hen house. You you talk about it is the bidders like yeah. I have no idea where bitter i would pick. What goes with what. What even a bidder which i guarantee a lot of people don't So explain that to the menu use local businesses to especially hard news local businesses or and or minority owned businesses whether lack of minority owned women on of color own. Anything i try to try to focus dollars. But you get back. Fitters is a basically like roots. Herbs could be like peels a variety to be anything and prevented. It's it's got a it. It's something that doesn't happen overnight. Fermented for you know a good amount of time. It could be like ten days a couple of weeks. Whatever and let that process happened. The thing that people don't know about bidders the thing about that is that people don't know is that i don't know how to turn it always have to walk out and trying to get him the code so you can get in and has a really high alcohol content. Oh does. I didn't know that. I thought they had no alcoholic own. Sure i know that i didn't either. You're you're hung over just throw some bidders and some soda water and collared day out. The best way to settle. Upset stomach is embarrassing soda water. That's a good tip. Especially for. I know i love bidders. Wow so the other. You never want us too much because it really is Yeah oh okay introduced being you to do is wine club at inside out which i miss going to wine clubs so much miss. Mary hosts that i miss. I know it was always hervey because you guys did it when we were able to go out and enjoy it in person. You guys did it around three or somewhere later in the afternoon and it was right after our show so it was always perfect timing where we would be somewhat loaded after the show and then go to wine club. It was one of my favorite things in san diego to do on saturday. How did that passion start with. 'cause wine kind of scares me because i never know what to get. What's good what's not you know what i mean. The winds pick for wine club have been amazing. All of them have been great picks. So how did that start for you guys. It doesn't happen overnight. I mean donna. I've really developed our pallets throughout the year. You know enjoying wine and we both found a passion and a love for it and you know wine creates good memories accent. Sloughed it you know it. It does a lot you know it makes things better but it really is about creating memories and i want to share that with people in i. Gossip is is a bar. I mean we are barred wind. Play off inside. I've always wanted to do something like this the inside out which is our other restaurant or classier fancier wehner restaurant elevated restaurant of the street offers that offers. We actually recorded program Corden bottom house. Which is a whole nother thing. That's really cool. But that gave us a platform to do that but Yeah we just received we just have a passion for wine and even uppers conversations when we first met the whole our whole for state was based around buying a bottle of wine and that was what i asked about in. The beginning was that she liked wine. I was living right before that around. The vineyard macular area and i just have disdain for wine. I love the stories. I love the feeling that wine gives me. Not just between the buzz. But i love the sport and i love it. There's no right or wrong like you choose you you like. It's not about a race or you know a picture on the bottle. Choose to mike and it really is. It's fun and you explore that talent and begins to really evolve and change over time if i have a piece of a piece of advice. You're buying wine if you're not sure what began. Don't get anything to just california. Unless like he says california is probably a plan from racial over caliban which There's nothing wrong with anyone. Everyone is ray. And i don't want to discredit any wine. But you wanna fine alochol region so instead of buying california from california maybe you by napa valley or passing robe list or noma oatmeal works. You kinda wanna find something that's a region then there's more loves that goes into that. That's a good piece of ice. If you don't know what you're buying you're not really sure it probably went by anything under six dollars. But you don't need it by anything over fifteen either that nine bala ranges great. Just make sure it's got a A regional so chuck is always a no fury. That could be a guess really absolutely. But there's about the two buck chuck. Oh yeah because that was actually a decent. That was a white or then john her husband. This is a story. No the white sold it. She's the jasser wife. Sold is wine is really really nice. Wine charles charles. Schwab soi whatever. She sold it for dirt cheap. The trader goes to get through. Him somehow. Just kept going yeah. There's so much into wine and all that stuff. Yeah and then just lot of it. The the vineyards It's the memories that we have created jumping remember. I have a question for both of you. Each what has been your favorite venue. Vineyard here in san diego county and outside of san diego county for each of you that you would recommend including. I haven't found a two or by a down in mexico. But i haven't really been local san diego wineries as much but mcnamara. My favorite is akash a. k. a. s. h. It's a rather new winery up their loved. It they have general neutral bathrooms. You're definitely very napa forward to get their temecula. I think they've got a really good thing. Going kinda new kid on the block. But i think they're a game changer. Temecula and really going to make it a Up their wines is what about you don. Oh my gosh. I'm such a napa. I'm such a napa girl. Winery napa not so hard. I get more regions. I mean like again. I wouldn't say this is my favorite winery. I'd probably say my favorite region is between oakville and rutherford. So it's pretty much. I love anything along. That whole main drag of in napa. What does that is that one eleven guinevere. No at one love this country but one twenty nine once out of jail. So there's so many i mean. I definitely read drinker But i appreciate so many other. I appreciate something different types of lines. I think my favorite experience wise. I mean we've been some great places up there with cages and hold such crazy stuff. What i honestly think my favorite experience just above and duck and not the volume of quarter but his spirits view. It's the duck horns got personal chief board. That comes out. You know it's everything that goes with it. Experience not all goes into you. Know i mean how many times have you gone to vineyard or people go to vineyards and you fall in love. You buy all this wine. Get chosen time. You get home. You open it up a month or two later on while which not their spirits. I mean you're so mesmerizing follow love. It's with whoever's telling you stories and the way the poor and the bottle and the way the glasses it's the it's the ambiance around you and then you think. Wow yeah. I'm done with that or we bought something. I remember that place and then we're like oh my god. This is amazing this good. How can we get our hands on this more. How how do you pick what wine you're gonna feature for wine club and just to let our audience know there you guys are still doing the virtual wine club. It's always the last saturday of the month so the next will be last saturday. We're doing it virtual this month Again and normally what. I do recall bed day so think of what i think a winery. So let's say it's Keenan winery up in spring mountain. Nampa and then. I find all get a list the winds and i choose what i want to try. Get samples sent to me and we go from there with it. It's been really interesting because with liquor companies there. They don't have budgets to have samples anymore. So kinda had to go into some of this line and pick my best. But i worked with dilly which tony robbie probably know. Billy billy a. He's a professional. He's a professional. He works young's market so he's really a friend and amazing pollen finley. His really really helped me lately because he's he's a small and he's got a lot more knowledge than i have in so he's been kind of walking free thing Joining us kobe without getting samples or trying to get sample so been a really good team. But you know one thing. I said you know. There's that gratitude that you get a code right now because now i know we can all be together but these were. We are blessed that we've had zoo because the these relationships that we cultivated with our with our people that come to wine club. We have long conversations. I feel like i know everyone. So wow i might receive your matching a person. But i i know you as we sit and chat at wang club together. We have been to our immune to these people. It's grown and grown and grown with wine club. What it was. I mean mary. I'm unsure you remember when you first doing wine club upstairs. Having people up where now being at the first one yes and like sixty twenty four every time now we sell out. I think i think capital seventy was the most we could fit during last time so but online on the two hundred you know we can house these big groups that come together and all enjoy the wind in a different way. Really feel like they're in your how we feel like we're sharing with with our freising makes wine tasting less intimidating for foams and educational. It's fun you get a little bit of drag. You get your munchies. We everybody gets the charcuterie boards. We do prizes. It's really fun. I saw. That is so true. Get drunk so you start your next deliver well before kobe. Before the lockdown. I loved it because wang was at the perfect time. And you get the just amount of drunk where you wanna go out and party even more but for wine club you guys are still doing a virtual and you can get all the information at inside. Out's website. I know you can go there. And we'll have links on our website for that But i love it. I miss going out in person. Yeah were clubbing. Truly my last month was them. Oh we just started last month. Eight travel club for winds that we're doing a virtual travel instead of. You can't go to italy right now or go to france but you can go there with winds bleeding. We did it last month and we did what we did all. I think he was south. America call shop. Mary jo made this incredible food. The food l. You how over the top amazing it was paired with the wind and it was obsolete so of course four course meal and we're doing it again next week next wednesday billy deletes smelly. He's running this. I'm of with him and this time we're doing all islands food rilya all different island. I'm kind of a stretch but yeah about we're really excited. I'm going to put the league for for inside out. Make sure you quicken the bio because this will actually lead you to all the different events that are happening. Because i feel like also you're exploring right now trying to find out what what can we do me of our weeks in our in our days and there's always something going on and between the passport dinner. We're calling it password. It's you can travel throughout the world. Basically with wine and food on your mind with us you eaten enjoy. A an amazing meal adds together whilst still chat together. But that's fun and then same with the wine club but if you wanna know more like wine clubs consistence every. It's always the last saturday of every month. Also read it. Five but passport is now like every varies. So there's so many different things that are coming up. John for gossip growing no right now. You guys have the liquor store kind of open where you can literally buy liquor bottles and somebody who is telling me that you guys even sell some groceries through there to which i was like minute gossip. I'm like oh my god. That is amazing. I if i can settle. Also i need it times. I'm a hustler. Twenty pounds of prime rib for christmas. Of course for me for me. I g. Y'all get you meet all right. Yeah the liquor in which we spell a different for folks at home. It's not let we're like normal. It's l i q dash h r. Lit her look her bach. Play bar for all your menu. It's all yes. If if it's in the house. I'll sell it like we are selling Bottles of booze reselling selling kits. The kids are great from the bottle. All your mixer garnish swag. It comes everything on stock shots. Really coke 'cause i know our other hosts bash. She did that a couple of weeks. And we put it on her insta I was like hugh get all of that and a kid who is a lot. Hardy favors bash order drag queen delivery on thursday which was in talks about is. How did so we've talked about in. We've mentioned in many times on our show. But how did the drag queen delivery which miss mariam t is a drag queen. Who delivers on thursday nights. To goes. how did that come about what who came up with that idea. Just had a rainstorm meeting and we just had a management meeting and. I think it's actually dwayne but we came up with two ideas that it was dry-cleaned delivery and unicorn delivery blow outfit. It's fabulous a lot of fun. It's however it's go out and make some tips and make money in kind no In the bay area. They were doing that and they stopped. So i know with our friends at instinct magazine. They were reaching out to us. Because mariam's like one of the only the one of the queen's doing it now and california. I think is such a clever idea because one it's for you guys. The bar you guys are are getting that income and then also to it gives the drag queens to do and make tips and money on that. So i think it's great. Yes you now i. Can you look out your window and see this amazing queen running through georgia you with a reading. It gives you a bit of before coverted. I'm you're able to go to drag normalcy. Yes miss marianne. How are you doing in this mariam. i love it. I mean. I have had to learn what to wear. And what not because it's a lot of. It's a lot of up and down in and out of the car. And i am no dainty woman with no dainty hair we Yeah but i mean it's been about a month now i've got i've got it down and it's it's really fun like my last delivery. This past thursday she was like you're the only drag i have seen in months engine and we just sat there at her doorstep and we talked for like ten minutes Issues my last delivery of the night and it just it made her whole like you could tell like surprise birthday. Delivery number ordered a surprise birthday package for their friend and she had no idea. I was coming. So i knocked on the door and she was surprised to see. The drag queen didn't gift so yeah it working supports local artists. Great deliver booze too. So that's the food or some booze it. I had a question for you because you talked about this on hanau saas. Cbd infused booze which is in at bars yet. But you did. I think it was was it bidders or was it actual. Yeah it's called. It's actually called cd it's called bidders also black owned female company so support and you can get that collins in coops dominant. Give him a shout-out. He's my my go-to guy. A bartender supply here off taught. At home i get on my part in north. Yeah for people to listen to our show. They know we take. We take a lot of cannabis or very big as a cat. So when i saw that i was like. Is there a plan for that. Ever to be in bars when when you guys do reopen that there is a wore off if you were hoping to have it pass by last november but with kobe. It just hasn't gotten there yet but it's not too are too far off teach see going and cocktails very far off. He going in the clock test. I don't i. I'm hoping we'll see within this year. The main thing is there's no there's no structure in place on how they're gonna how they're gonna manage it and how they're going to like like you know make sure that people are overdosing or whatever one number two. There's no one to manage it. There's no group together yet that like a board or whatever to manage that yet so a lot of bars are doing. But they're kind doing underground now is not legal with your experience with it like we did. What is the difference. Like so people who don't know like cbd infused bidders or alcohol like what is the difference between regular alcohol for the people who may not know so. The cd does not have teaching it. Yes it can we get the not going to get the same the same reaction that cd as you do. If it's mixed with with as you all know here my experience panel of it does give us a sense of relaxation. Just kinda i love. Steve clears reminding you know. And just have the same benefits from cd if you smoke it or do the edibles or any of those but it's infused into the bidders and alcohol so that same health benefits as he has. You're going to get that in the bidders and alcohol. Yeah in there but it does just have a little bit more of a less anxiety your brains a little not as cluttered with all the you know the the mind chatter associate always cocktails much better the next morning. That's my favorite part. Yeah for sure. Do you have a favorite dispensary here in san diego that go to see march been on our show. They were when we had them on. The chauffeur for twenty episodes goes last year the year before year before they brought up state brought over so much samples of art. Coho is by other bash episode. Oh god he he did. I think it was a dab for the first time on air. Oh he was gone. He literally like he was up and then it was just quiet and then right when they episode. And he's like. I need to go lay down in the room so he came in our action real like how fetal position laughing himself over youtube stuff. Yeah i forget what episode number it is. I know we did it and around april twentieth of last year year. So check out the march nash up so it was very informative. I don't know you all remember that we used to do. Wake baixa remember. I missed those. Yes he worker m j to ours. I love those folks so much and jay towers and they pull the ban out back in march now pull up and so product and then you go smoke in the fans not connected the gossip. I got more food on that day. Care by one. Another how everybody wonderful. I love the way can break brunches. I missed a soma. We're not able to do them anymore. Hopefully will change laws again and so my last question for for you. Both before we wrap it up is what do you see. The future of this industry bar rush drunk going to be coming up this year and going forward because we know cove changed everything everything. So how do you see the future especially for gossip girl going forward from here on i right now survival mode everyone survival mode we just gotta get through it and i mean. I don't know how long this is gonna go. And i don't know if we're gonna make it you know money only goes so far and without hope i don't know but if we can round it it's gonna be kinda close i my gut says we'll make it through it and my gut says it's going to be a really good year but we just got to get over that yet And yeah it right now all you look at all. Everyone is bree. We're gonna redo all suck inside of gossip like everyone's rethinking how they're doing things our help me do this. Like reconceptualise in everything. And everything's gonna different. Moses look different inside out. look different gossips. going to look different. We have to adjust the times have funds where we can you not to do this but i do think when we finally get vaccine and people actually vaccine you know i think i think everyone's just gonna. I'm come out loud. You're so right day. We are allowed to have normalcy somewhat. Nervously. it is gonna be a shit show in beijing way away other adding central insulate. I'm so thankful for all the support and just keep supporting this right now. It's on being opened vinyl and what it doesn't doesn't we're gonna open anytime soon and cannot going down. Can i just say that. I have to say. Thanks to moses universe for sticking to the rules and doing it the right way at the right of their bars ever in fact anytime. We had a birthday this year. We didn't go anywhere else. Other than a mos universe place. Because i don't trust some of these other Places so so. I just wanted to say they should be To i every all of you involved with the mosey is it's been even during the pandemic. You still feel very comfortable going to the establishment. 'cause you gotta follow the rules and making it a safe place for everybody. I just can't live with the fact. That i really if i were to get someone sick and they died because of us. Not doing what we're supposed to. I can't do. I can't with that so we didn't really adam amer staff. I don't get sick either. So we take care of each other for him when washington is that is one of the joys with not just gossip grow but just homos university of really creative community a family like whether your family it is whether you go to incite ow gossip modes betty. It's this this staple in the community and it really brings so much comfort to so many people in our community which it's all because of you guys who ran the places. So thank you for that oh. Hp has the best pizza go. I love their pizza and especially he's so good. Your dollar two topping pizza's for ten dollars. A so i love pizza and then you have one of that. They had one of the best of their their bears their stout coconut stuff that they have their religious about it but before we wrap it up. Miss maryam what has been one of your favorite memories with gossip grow. Well i don't knock discounts because it's not much of a memory and it wasn't so the most staff parties are always gossip grill and from what i remember the two thousand and eighteen in two thousand nine nineteen staff parties. We had a great fuck in time. No most most universe put together a real bitch in holiday party for the stout. Lots of presents amazing food an obscene amount of alcohol. And timing. say i'll say my first. My first imos holiday party. I woke up the next day with grotesque in my bed and there were just empty cans of code red mountain dew. All over in the playstation was still going. We stayed up playing playstation. I don't remember how long. But i just woke up next to grotesque and the fucking we were just drinking drinking mountain dew and play video games hours in the morning. That is a holiday parties right. So how do people find you on social if they wanna look you guys up and everything like that and getting contact. My hand on instagram is most colts at most allston. It's bogert on facebook. And on and i'm done stoltze on instagram. So on same and you everybody you can go to gossip. girl their website and get all the information of everything. We talked about two into hen house. You guys winner. Thursday at five o'clock five. We're locked down so go. Check it out at his very entertaining. I cannot see a much about To praise it as as much as i can You can follow us. Who invited her. Underscore podcast grammar. Who invited her as the on. Facebook and twitter and you can watch us. Every tuesday night at seven pm on out at t v. they have great programming over there. Go watch shit show with grotesque. Oh who's been passed Guest on our show. She hosts that with kevin cab. And you guys. Don't forget to subscribe a five star rating and a great review and apple. Podcast helps us out a lot. You can follow me. It's tony underscore. Baloney and macaroni and gore. Is that a rub. I can't remember my own even though you bologna menaka there you go. And it's marian t how do people find you. You can find me on instagram at the mariam tea or my website. She heard me dot com. I'm on facebook at mariam t- If you want something fun to do every thursday night is dragging delivery from gothic grow from three to seven order online and also on january twenty. First i will be doing Virtual drag queen bingo for aspen. Gay ski week with my hometown system. Is naomi daniels. Anybody can play from anywhere in the world. It is a fundraiser for aspen out which provides services for lgbt youth in underserved very small rural colorado mountain towns. That's a big fundraiser. that we're doing for them. You always have so much. Stay this busy lady. You know hard being book. Until i now i know oh and before we go over get check on my other show films spring. We do that. Show every friday night at eight o'clock if your movie enthusiasts go watch that show we review all of the movies you grew up with and your shelter frame. Who's never seen him. We expose them to for the first time ever so. It's a great show. Go to tune into that. Every friday night at seven o'clock at out at tv. And that is it for us every betty. Thank you don. It's been an absolute pleasure. Having you on this show this week we will see everybody nex by a.
Pollution Pt 2: Contaminated Research
"The. Hi, this is Kate Waldoch from Georgetown University. And this is legit Gallus at individual Chicago here, listening to capitalism a podcast about what's working in capitalism today and most importantly, what isn't this is the second part of two part on pollution, and the delay terriers effects that it can have on your health. So last week, we talked about air pollution, and we talked also about a pollutant called C H or PF away, which can show up in the ground as well as in the air on this up. So we want to continue that conversation and Luigi actually stumbled across a pretty cool and be are working paper that just came out about the effect of kids living, we're going to school near highways Luigi you to tell us a little bit about that. Yes. This is a fascinating new studies that exploits the different exposures that schools have to the pollution generated by traffic and compared the achievement of students that. Nia highways vessels, the Wanda this from the highways and find that the performance is significantly lower when they are close to a highway because of this they claim because of the pollution that they get. Yeah. One thing that I thought was cool about this paper is that the way that they measure the effect of being close to highway on academic achievement. Is that they look within a certain range of distances away from a highway? So let's say like you're limiting yourself to schools that are only exactly one hundred feet away from highway, and then they compare not only the differences between academic achievements in those schools, but they compare kids who move from one school to another, and they're also able to observe wind patterns of these highways or it. So you got to schools that are distant from the highway, one of them is getting a lot of pollutants being pushed to them from the wind and the other is having the plutons push the opposite direction from the wind. So when kids move from the school. Oh, that's in the opposite direction from the wind to the school. That's down wind from the highway they actually end up doing worse in terms of their testing abilities, as well as their presence at school. And of course, what k- these saying is being portent, because simply they closed this to highways. Could be a proxy for a lot of other conditions including socioeconomic status of the people going to school. And so, by south would not pull the link with pollution when you go, and look at people who moves than you can determine better, the actual holiday. Yeah. Actually, I moved when I was a senior high school from an area that was super far away for my way to an area that was right next to highway. I was maybe like a hundred feet away from it, and I did a lot worse than school. I moved. But I think it was mostly because I was like a senior in high school investment in partying rather than going to school. So maybe that was the confounding factor. By the way, that paper was by Heissel, Persico, and Simon and is called does pollution drive achievement. The effect of Catholic Plutonic performance. Okay. Moving to today's episode. We wanna look at number one in other form of pollution, the pollution in that which is the food. We'd but most importantly, we own expound, the conversation about the we search that is supposed to put tact us against this potential toxic substances. And to what extent is, which is doing good job to what extent it is, is not. And these no better person to help us in this conversation than Katie gillum. She's an investigative journalist, she woke writer for a long time. And she wrote to the topic and timely Boca whitewash, the story of a wit killer cancer, and the corruption of science. Welcome to the show Kerry. Thanks, thanks for having me, carried do you wanna start off by telling us what inspired you to write the? Sure. So I was a reporter for Reuters for about seventeen years. Reuters international news agency prior to my assignment to cover food and agriculture. I'd covered the banking industry, but there was a lot going on and in modern agriculture in the mid nineteen ninety s Reuters asked me to move to Kansas and start writing about the changes that were coming about with the introduction of genetically modified seeds and the pesticides. The reused with them twenty years later, I've written whitewash, which is a really sort of deep dive into what I call a pesticide dependent food system, and what the science shows us that, that is doing to our health and to the environment. And it's really I say, it's, it's not a feel good story. But it certainly is one I think is important for everyone to read the regulation of pesticides in the United States is down by the EPA. Right. The Environmental Protection Agency, correct. And there's an office of pesticide programs within the VA. That specifically their job is to regulate pesticides e PHI, am a chemical company, and I want to introduce a new product would we have to do to save my product to the farmer in Kansas? The so in the case of pesticides EPA for a whole assortment of different tests, animal tests, toxicology tests that look at dermal absorption that look at how how these chemicals in impact, you know, your eyes for instance, if they create IRA tation skin irritation if there any acute dangers hazards, you know, there's one particular pesticide used in agriculture called paraquat. And we know that if you if you get a little bit on your tongue accidents, a little bit splashes up, and you ingest that you're probably going to be dead in two or three weeks, you know two or three weeks and two or three weeks. So these are the things that regulators want to know about, and they relied very heavily on the companies to provide the data the tests, that say whether. These things are safe or not. Why do you think the regulators rely, so heavily on the companies? I mean can the companies be trusted, wouldn't you expect the companies to say? Oh or product is good. So a lot of people refer to this as like the FOX and the hen house type of situation and yes, I mean, in a in a perfect world we would love to have all of the money to plug into independent scientists who can do you know, both short-term and long-term studies on all of these decides. But in the world we live in that, that just doesn't happen. And the type of experiments that are done the type of studies that are done are very expensive in many cases to do what you really liked to see his long term studies, and, and the companies are the ones that are going to be making the billions of dollars in revenue. So they're the ones who are willing to put up the sometimes millions of dollars that it costs to do these studies in the first place. And so this is how it comes about our EPA, our government does not provide the. The funding for the EPA to do studies. We rely on the companies to a large extent, and then independent scientists as well. This is not that different from drugs. Right. The FDA is requiring the Fhimah Ceuta companies to do the studies and then the Saudi whether this is a safe and effective or not is different from the other chemical substances because other toxic substances introduce without any screening unless they proven otherwise. Right. I mean, they're tens of thousands of chemicals that are out into, you know, in our environment that we are exposed to on a daily basis that, that really there's, there's very little testing that it's been done on those, but one thing that I understood from your book is that in many of this nation. The problem is not only society, the substance peseta, but also they interaction this substance as with other stuff. Environment. So to what extent this, study's can even be done because if this is bad for everybody is well as easy to catch. But if it is bad in southern conditions or incumbent with southern soils that impossible to the tactic exotic, yeah, I mean, definitely, they cute reactions of course like paraquat, as, I mentioned earlier, you know, that's, that's pretty easy to determine and then and farmers use it. You know, it is something that farmers use. But they're aware of the risks you know, there are lot of very detailed, you know, warnings and things like that. So farmers can be aware of that. But it's the chronic sort of exposure that we really don't seem to know very much about, and the end, as you said, the interactions with other chemicals, in other classes of contaminants, and, and the multi multi levels of exposure, because you have dermal exposure in relation exposure, but you also have dietary. So you're getting these chemicals in your. Food an in your drinking water, and he would like to make distinction because they often is not done. And maybe emp too much economists here, but there is the cost benefit analysis from the point of view of the farmer. The Fhimah takes risk in using vice specifies and makes a profit by using the specifies, but then this stuff ends up in a foot without any choice. So I think that is what we call them economics next analogy, which is pretty big. And this is where the government should intervene in evaluating the because we're talking about CA in the last episode. This eight is shown to we juice, fidelity men. That's a pretty severe issue. It is. I mean, I focused, a lot of the work, I do on months, Eto glyphosate, glyphosate because it's the most widely used or beside in the world, and it's so pervasive, but of course, as you've pointed out, it's by no means. You know, the only thing that we have to be concerned about their CA F O as clerk pyro fos is a very popular insecticide that has made a lot of money for DOW Chemical and independent science, DOW Chemical has their sciences shown it to be just fine. Independent science has shown that it causes neurodevelopmental damage to children who are exposed to it, and the scientists so strong, and there's such a consensus on this science among the independent science community that it's been banned from household use convinced the EPA Bannet, and it was supposed to be banned from culture, and 2017. They finally convinced the Obama administration, the weight of science that the stuff that the government told us was so safe for so long in our food, and our water. Now, the weight of science said, yeah. You know what we were wrong. So the government, the PA decided to go ahead and banned it then the Trump administration came in and Dow chemicals set on with the new administr. Nation and gave a million dollars to the Trump inaugural fund and the ban went away. You know. So when you talk about science, you really do need to understand. There's so many different political ramifications profit agendas behind these things. It seems like public health and public good. Take back seat quite often to these other issues. I wanna talk more about the role of big money in politics, big Agni, but for someone go back. So last year we did a podcast episode about the opioid crisis. And we talked about the ways that big pharma were able to influence doctors by holding these very fancy conferences, and giving them away all the swag, and making them feel wined and dined, and convincing them to prescribe their drugs. And it sounds like there's a lot of us going on in the agony distri as well. So also something that seems to happen is that if the carrot doesn't work there's. Seems to be some of the stick. So if farmers aren't sold by marketing efforts of these big agricultural companies than there's actually cases of bullying in intense pressure, put on them to like you certain products. Can you tell us a little bit about how this works? Well, one one, good example, that we saw in the early two thousands was in the US, weet farmers. We'd farmers didn't use a lot of round up there. There is no genetically modified, we'd like genetically altered corn and soybeans that are designed to be sprayed. Right. You know, over the top with round up the same thing didn't exist in wheat and Monsanto really wanted to introduce around pretty wheat, so that they could, you know, sell a special specialty patented seed to weed, farmers, and that the farmers within spray, the wheat with Monsanto's roundup and I went to all of these meetings and, you know, watch this unfold over and they did. They put a lot of pressure on them. And they tried to, you know, apply funding to different groups and. Organizations or take it away from others and get their own people to head up. You know we industry boards export markets were very upset and said, we were not gonna buy weet from the US if this gets rolled out, it was a very, very big fight and through it all the farmers kept saying, two months, and a we don't want it, and Monsanto Kip saying too bad. You're going to get it in the end. There was so much publicity about this, that Monsanto did go ahead and say that it would shelve the Monsanto's, the company's roundup ready wheat. So, so it still hasn't introduced it but they tried awfully hard to shove it down the throats of farmers for a very long time. This is the pot. I would like to discuss now because I think he's something that maybe as a communist were less willing to accept to recognize is much the process of research. My be distorted by stunned economic incentives. But in a way that makes it difficult to know the facts most can be politically influential and decide what? The why trade off. But the least if we got into the facts, right? People could somehow object to it. The problem is that it seems to me, we don't even know the fact. So what I would like to discuss and like to start with you carry. If you can sort of tell us what you learn in your research about, how research academic research is affected because the typical economists will say, look, there are two side of the shoe is ward to tout each side. Why don't should we expect that on average the tooth prevails? I think what we're seeing is that on average, you know, money prevails, if you if you're talking specifically about academics and professors and scientists who are working at different universities and are doing research and trying to, to share that with the public what we've seen over many, many years, is that increasingly big corporations are funneling money to these research, programmes, and millions many millions of dollars in many cases, and even though it's not supposed to affect the research. We do see them stepping into to sway, or to direct the research, and we know that there's pressure, can you elaborate in this, because even in comics the lot of people that finance research, and we think that they kept obey they don't have any influence such a. So what is the best evidence that actually this financing matters dramatic on those outs? Well, we there's I guess there many there's. There's some laid out in the book. You know, you can look at university of Florida, for instance, or the university of Illinois or the university of Nebraska or around the United States, and they also engage in this activity, we know in Europe. But again, I'm going back to Monsanto. This has been my main my main path that I've written about, is how they've done this, but, you know, funneling money to a university, and identifying a particular professor who works in the area of science that, that is beneficial to them and, and directing that professor to do this research, or to make these policy statements to go and hold classes or seminars or lectures, and in many cases, Monsanto would provide the PowerPoint s- provide the narrative provide the talking points that this person is to deliver on their behalf. And that's a pretty extreme example. But, but it's one that we saw in the documents that we obtained through freedom of information act requests in state records, or 'cause we've seen the correspondence, and we see the money flow and you see how they talk. About hiding the money flip, you know, at the university of Nebraska, there was a professor who used to work on Santo. They went to the university of Nebraska to run a food program that looked at the allergenicity of food, you know, an into really study this, because, of course so many people are afflicted with food allergies. But what we find in all the documents is that his program was being funded by the big corporations, who wanted to make sure that he didn't find any allergenicity problems in products that were connected to them, and you see the correspondence, new see him very worried about make sure he keeps them happy. So he keeps funding to his research program, and this is just repeated over and over and over. Yeah. I would like to see an I'm sure this exists, but I'm not aware of it. A large scale study across all different fields that observes, the relationship between receiving funding from an organization and scientists findings that are in line with the view that organization, it would just be interesting. Like. If you do this across all fields, and then within field and then looked at different our actions to the extent. It results were aligned. But anyway, one anecdote that I liked from your book, I think there was a story about a guy who is being funded for some research, and the company that was funding him when referring to the research findings said other going to say this before the research study was actually done. Am I did that happen? Yeah. I mean I, I. They, they know what they want it to say and they're going to direct that. And we've seen that, again, in many cases, we've seen and this gets also into to go striding. I mean, we saw in documents that were obtained through through state record request professors at different universities who were lined up, and they were essentially assigned to write specific papers that would say specific things they were given the assignments they were giving the points that we're supposed to be covered in their papers. And one of the main things was they didn't want anybody to know the company was behind it, you know, because these papers were going to promote essentially policies that would benefit this company, and, and every single one of the professors did as they were told without stating, the, the backing of these companies iphone in your book something that to me was even more offensive pilot as Nima for my one moans, onto exec that told colleagues in February two thousand fifteen the they could go swipe was soc Matiya and the southern Indiana. Scientists from outside the company cooled just edit and signed their name, so to speak, just they down it with the two thousand study. Yeah. I mean these are the things that, that have come out through freedom of information, and through litigation discovery documents were seeing in particular with Monsanto, which has been in the news allot discussions internally, in the company about how they ghost write papers go straight scientific literature, and we know, for instance that in this Email that you're referring to this eliminates us on two different papers, one Monsanto refers in then Email to ghost writing a paper called Williams well authored by scientists William Crowe's Monroe in the year two thousand and that paper found, you know, just complete safety. No reason to be concerned about what so ever, and that paper has been foundational to regulatory reviews around the world all EPA and every, you know, every regulator has cited this as ever. Since that we should not be concerned, we now know that Monsanto considers that they go stroke that they, they were talking about ghost ride in new set of papers. In fact, those papers were published in critical reviews and toxicology and, and the title of the papers were was a review of glyphosate by an independent panel, and in the declaration of interest. It said, no Monsanto employees, Nordland center, attorney has reviewed these papers when, in fact, the emails show us, a very in depth discussion by Monsanto's top scientists about what they've already written what they've drafted what they're changing what they're editing. And in their own internal emails. They're trying to decide what independent scientists name is going to go on the paper that this month Santo scientists is just written. And those papers got published, but this is just one example of things that we know of gone on for for decades. So let's thought try to think about solution you in your book. You mention. A please trifle at one, which is to say, why don't we tax? The people went to specifies and with that money. We find independent research, and, and actually that sort of idea and that movement, you know, is, is going forward to a certain degree. And I think people would like to see more of that they would like to, to see the companies really have to fund very robust, you know, system of research that would in fact be truly independent. We're not anywhere close to to that at this point. But it's something that, that people are talking about and companies are having to, to kick in for the new requirements under the toxic substances control act. So, you know, we'll, we'll see that's one idea. But that, that is lovely idea in my view. But he does raise the issue who's really independent again. Yes. Because his ways to the term and if you work for Monsanto not independent. But if you work for. In NGO this trying to fight pesticides. Are you independent on independent in theory? I mean, our government scientists should be independent. You know, our government scientists who work for the PA are independent. They should be working for the public. So it would be ideal to have enough money and enough resources for these scientists to truly do the kind of work. That would be revelatory. But what we've seen as I said in the past, what we've seen is even when they are analyzing research, if it doesn't comport with what the chemical companies want these scientists just get stumped on Carey in the spirit of independent research and disclosure, I think we would be remiss if we didn't ask you about the organizations that you're affiliated with and the funding for those organizations. Could you tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah. So I left Reuters at the end of twenty fifteen and in early twenty sixteen set about writing the book and also doing research for this nonprofit called US right to know. It's. Gosh formed, I think, in twenty fourteen it's very, small very new very young. It was started with some seed money. No pun intended, I guess, or maybe from the organic consumers association, which, again, is a is another nonprofit, and as a consumer group, not to be confused with your trade association, which is made up of organic companies. This is organic consumer association is aimed at trying to defend and uphold sort of the integrity of the organic standard. And of course, you know educate consumers but they're just one funder over time the last time, I checked the largest donor this year was our the Arnold foundation, which which supports a lot of other sort of organizations that do research and including propublica center for media and democracy. What we do what I do. Now in my job is almost nothing but file freedom of information after. West trying to get data and documents. And we share all these documents with the public through database maintained by the university of California, San Francisco, so reporters and lawyers. And you know lawmakers and pretty much anybody who wants to can access all of these documents that otherwise would be really, really hard for them to find. Okay. I personally think that the biggest issue we need to address pretty much agreed. Upon is power and money and politics and creating separation between those things close the revolving door. And I think that there are ways that we can do that, that would actually benefit politicians, right? It's like, well, if you can't work for a large agricultural lobbying firm for two years after you're done working for the PA, then in exchange you're going to get paid more. And I think that there are people who sign up for that, as long as they get paid enough more, but I think to rather than complaining about the political system, I think would. I should do is to fix the university system. Because it seems that one of the big problem is a Canea number one, the lack of transparency, but even with transparency, I think that these not enough censoring of people that get this stuff reaching by somebody else. I think that, that is absolutely Arandas is easy to say when is in a different field, but I fear we economics have not exempt from that. Absolutely. I would like to prefer the carrot or the stick particularly when it comes to my industry. But unfortunately, I don't think that it would work here. I think that we need harsher punishments for people who fabricate data and for people who find certain findings at the behest of their financial sponsors. But don't disclose those relationships? I think that like there should not only be career consequences, but they're also be financial consequences. But I also think that there's problems with the peer review process. We tend to assume that when we heard the term peer review that everything is going to be okay. But I think that there is like deep corruption in the peer review process it's surprising to me that we don't see at least in economics or finance. We don't see that many publications that are retracted or findings that are overturned. And if there is a debate than usually that takes place in conference rooms, but you don't see it publicly. I think the debate over findings is healthy, and should be encouraged, so in this two episodes with trying to look at pollution from a different point of view all the attention these days is on CO two emissions the traditional pollution of water our air food as the taken aback seat. But number one is pulling Matic because this has a lot of costs a lot of cost in into of our health. And if you don't care about health in them. -bility to produce successfully and second. I think that people don't fully understand how much this lack of interest for this type of pollution is that as od'd over political economy, equilibium where I think he's easier to discuss issue, too, because we all produce it, and that is not a particular target. The cows produce a lot of CO two. So everybody's responsible for CO twos. When he comes to air pollution, whether he's a clear company, or couple of companies that the, the villain. Nobody has the college to go after those companies because they are too influential politically on the media Cadenas. Well, well, and this ties economics together within their national toxicology program at twenty sixteen issued a paper very long and lengthy looking at the economic cost of. The toxic environment that we're allowing. Right. And basically saying, if if you don't care about h-, you know, the, the cancer in the infertility, and, you know, the environmental pollution, the loss of biodiversity like if you don't care about all of that, sort of thing, let's say economics for you, and, and so they laid out, you know how much lost IQ points, you know, means to us in terms of productivity in the future, and that sort of thing. And I mean, that's the larger messages that were sort of being conditioned to just accept these toxins and, you know, pesticides and other chemicals and heavy metals in our food, our water, and we're being. We're being conditioned to think that, that's okay. And that's normal. And it's, it's okay to be sick, you know, that we're just accustomed to being sick and all the people who have cancer, they're living longer, and that's a success story, and we, you know, cheer that you can have body parts cut off. You can be radiated and pop pills, and yeehaw because. Because we're living longer with cancer now but, you know, this report laid it out and said, why don't we start focusing on preventing these diseases to begin with, and the first part of that is understanding the real risks and having transparency, and then going about setting policies. You've been listening to capitalism, hosted by Kate Waldoch, and Luigi guileless and produced by Derek, John. A podcast of the university of Chicago stigler center and collaboration with Chicago booth review, you can find episode transcripts and research, links at capitalism dot com. Also, check out pro-market dot org. The blog of the Steelers center and don't forget to subscribe leave review wherever you get your podcasts.
S02E10: Throw Yourself At The Wall Of Fear with VIP Guest Anjalee Narenthiran
"The this is secrets to win. Big your roadmap to sustained growth brought to you by june san founder and ceo of zan mango brand whisper. Top brand growth driver and a former fortune five hundred executives who has been called one of the most marketing intelligent minds in the business. Find him at zen mango dot com. And now here's your host. Our june san to secrets to in big with arjun singh. I've always found that. I love bidding but winning big puts all on the pat who sustained over long periods. Time in this podcast. It's a pleasure and an honor to bring you secrets from leaders from all walks aflame and all over the world and reason that's very important is each one of the different. New district is different and asks the reason these insights from all over the world really make a big difference today in that particular spirit. I'm really excited to welcome mike. The ip guest unbelie nine hundred and let me share a little bit about under his amazing accomplishments today. She's the founder and ceo of explorer a startup that brought dick education to over a thousand kids and beyond a program director at started built to give young students to support an education deck. She ramped up under. His accomplishments include seafood. Toronto star thompson reuters. Hr reporter and claimed obligations. She spoke at the world a forum englewood conference really want to know what she felt when she was this incredible opportunities to share and then her. Vx robotics team won multiple world championships meetings. Twenty thousand plus international teams each year and this is important because each one of these are while talk leaders who will change the world for her to separate cassette not just once but her team multiple times. That i really take is something really cool to understand. Her future plans include. Next year is a tangling to attend. Jerem fisher empty program at university of pennsylvania posting a double degree with wotton school of business and ben school of engineering and just to put in perspective. All this and she is only seventeen years or a crew by saw and over the weekend as i was reflecting on his resume. I started questioning and asking my says what is wisdom. As was growing up. i always talk. Wisdom gained age. When i was a kid. I looked up to a thousand fake while. If and when i grow up the dancers i grew up grew older i realized located ident- he'll still all the answers. I also talk is all about experience but it's not just about experience but after meeting leaders like i realized that wisdom comes from not just wanting it's about how you see ticks and that's what you hear in the conversation today is how utterly connects starts. How should commit to a solution. And a cause hen house passion excite sir to take the team beyond and takes ownership unbelie. I'm really excited to welcome you to this conversation. You so much for having me on the show and really really excited to be involved absolutely so ideally to start with of course conjure. Congratulations on an amazing productive last few years native accomplishments. I want to start right away at ex- explore and asked what was the vision behind it and what was the p couponing this idea into success. Yeah definitely so take explorer Really study from this place. You know so. I was fifteen when i started. This and i realized the problem. I realized that. I was really fortunate. Because i've grown up with. Robotics started coding. When i was ten years old because through some serendipitous opportunities things kind of worked out for me that way but when i was fifteen i realized that most students don't get those kinds of opportunities in serendipitous exposures early on and as a result. You just miss out a lot of kids. You know you might do well on in math class. When you're a little kid and then for the rest of your life the rest of your education you'll sneak it yourself a math person but when you think about computer science technology if we're never giving young kids the opportunity to even try it mo- students can say i'm not a tech person. I haven't done it right. They never got that chance. They know nothing about it. And i find that really frustrating because tech in robotics encoding giving me so much and it can grow so much as a leader and every possible dimension and i was really frustrated that it just wasn't accessible so that's essentially the idea that started tech. Export a tech education needs to be accessible the needs to be accessible to young students and it started off like he was really really bootstrap. So i didn't really know where it's going so i started off by asking my computer science major that lonely some robotics kits because i already booked in event i reach out to some schools and i was like okay. I need to do something. I'm going to run workshops. And not how he's going to do it. So it's bardem kits after the fact and scrapes scraping together and then from there cutting grew into this really cool venture were now There's demand. Drew are tons of students teachers who wanted to be involved and other people who wanted to help me out other awesome. Young people says loved so loved the concept of how you accessed resources that you started at a journey. And then you ask not teacher. Low news some robotic skit. And you figured out a way to move forward so then you look back. What makes you most proud. Yeah i think it's you know it always comes down to the the impact. I think i'm really proud of how myself and the team we were able to take an idea. A passion the belief and turn it into impact and really help a lot of kids who are in similar. Shoot at us coming up. I think that that's definitely the proudest thing. So you understand either an example or a moment on how you define in bed. Yeah think think. Impact is just like being able to contribute to somebody else's life in a meaningful way so in that specific example would be seeing both the is lots of young students light up when they realize that they can control this tiny little machine with their ideas thoughts and you know a few lines of colored blocks our code the seeing them make that connection that impact. Because it's very evident that we've been able to help make make something being able to contribute in somebody's life in a big way and seem somebody's light up and the future you're creating for each of these people individuals. I really team. That's priceless so. I want to go from there to make presentation that i wore forum global conference. You're huge huge audience. And again as you mentioned even though you wear into robotics from ten fifteen year award on these amazing stages so i i just want to ask you very cheesy question have to ask is what was your first meeting on these big stages i feeling will like a king of fear and then you step through the fear and it's just excitement. I think that's also. I focus on the audience and trying to connect with them. And then i think about like you know what might be like if i could contribute and impact this audience and that i because i can focus on that kind of helps me step through. The fear absolutely loved that and now going beyond. What was the main message that he delivered at. Would these incredible conferences. yes so With google i was just sharing about how our team had not been able to had been able to become world champions in multiple domains And if you key principles that help us get there to kinda sharing how things like embracing failure is a really important thing to have as an engineer and also just as a general human being trying to make their way through life i think in school. You're taught that every time guessing wrong you get a slap on the wrist so should fear your mistake. You should fear not being. But i think like just being able to be okay with being wrong being able to say. I didn't know what i was doing this time. This idea failed but because it fails. I now have answers that can take me into the next version. Take me into my next trial. So being open minded and more open to failure is a really important concept that helped me in robotics team robotics and other walks of life this well we did this. Whole mindset to look at failure as an opportunity and knocker dead end. Yeah i think you're really. It really stemmed from the fact that i've been involved in engineering since since i was a young kid. In fact my first robotics team it was in a smaller competition called legally so we we were essentially these ten year old building. These little robots out of lego. That is not what i'm doing in high school. But that's started. We're building these little. Lego robots and our first ever competition. We had no idea what we were doing. We showed up your these little kids so exciting bouncing around the stadium and by the end of it we had come in last place must lose vast place not even like a third not even like twentieth last place at a regional event. And if it's tough it was tough you were like. Oh no all this time and excited and we bell flat honor faces. And that's not a unthinking experience at all ever especially not when you're ten years old but i think it was moments like that where i was able to to choose. Either i take this failure and you know tell it tell myself. I suck at engineering massacre botox and give up or say. Hey my journey's just about to begin. I'm going to figure out how. I can take this and do better next time. And i just hopped into choose the latter. And that's what made all the difference in time you feel for flat. I really love your perspective. And how reflecting but also next second you became very serious by saying you had a choice. And only utah's whether to brandon and you find yourself as a failure forever or you will figure it out so you're one came last. Let's finish the whole story to entry. You guys were top of the world no pun intended. How did it feel to go from latte last crop of the world to. There's actually a couple of years in between there so between age. Ten to like fifteen. I competed robotics which slowly got better and better very was it was very incremental guarded so it wasn't like last two i. It was like last. Maybe i had the regional event. I the provincial. Eventually moving up but yeah so what was that like. I think he was a really great journey. And i think i wouldn't have done it any other way. I would not have wanted to get. I my first year because i wouldn't have had all the lesson that came from it right. You never learned from winning. You learn you learn. Is that how you learn what it feels like the hold the heavy trophy right you lose from the failures you learn holding the heavy truck got it like what do you really learn from winning you. Walk out with a trophy since miles. You go for dinner but when you fail you have you have like a nocal- of ideas handful of ideas of things you can improve lessons learned and it's through that process of making mistakes that i was able to grow awesome. So you are the young entrepreneur ad hoc quit as you start going through what has been your challenge as a young entrepreneur. And how have you overcome some of these Some of my challenges young entrepreneur. I think one of my biggest challenges as a young entrepreneur just that initial fear kind of based around my age. Because i think like when you're young. It's really easy to believe that i'm a kid. I can't do anything important right. I can't sign papers for myself. i can't drive a car. So why would anybody odin adults. Everyone listen to me or like. Listen to what i have to say and i think that's calm those those something that i really struggled with when i first got started win with things like split and i think in terms of overcoming that it was again. I think it's. It's the same idea. I talked about the conferences this wall of fear. But at some moment after you keep throwing yourself the wall eventually becomes easier to pastula'll and i was able to realize that. Hey this isn't true. I can i in different position as somebody. Who's maybe forty years old. But it all depends. On how i famous i can free my age as a huge disadvantage or i can took the picture and i can say actually i have wandered advantages. That a forty year old would not have interesting. People are open to talking to young much more open to advising talking to younger people and the arts older people so long as you. Can you know figure out how to get. Meet the first contact so there won't be a whole bunch of benefits that is able to find when they flipped it. The other way and began looking at it from a different angle admitted lot easier at The ball of fear. Not this will concept. And i don't think it's just as a kid. Each one of us are in a situation where we look at life from where we are there. Reasons discount ourselves and the neuropathy about it are not taking yourself status as a kid. You have so much to share based on your point of view. And i just digress. For a second. I remember coming from india to use job my first performance appraisal. I still have back from the year. Ninety really all i got to fight over fight and everything other than in one place to fight in communication. Where my boss written down archer needs to work on his excellent and i was sent to accent school in houston in day one. I realized that there are certain. Sounds this face of mine is not meant to make. I could not differentiate between the and w e. That's the reason. My assistant vikki hated on rookie. I could not separate between b. and b. It's the same and to the point where the instructor could not say to me says to me because he also could not say a few sounds so what he talked me this incredible. Listen audran from your point to be. Your different is trying to change james. The outcome focused communication not accent and that was such a big thing. And somehow i don't know why but your whole thing about throwing yourself at the wall and difference got me back into some nas nostalgic moments. So thank you again. I just want to take you back to now. You know the whole concept about startup. good so you are. Mo- seventeen year olds thinking of video games social engagements friends college exeter. You're taking a gap year to just even travel or on the word but to pursue entrepreneurship and help others this question. There's a little secret behind it. This question comes from one of your amazing so he really pushed me to ask that question. So what made you take this gap here to focus on up good. Yeah i'm really passionate about helping people and also helping people who are maybe a couple steps down the ladder of life than i am. People who are just beginning new journey in places that i've may be finished off. I think that's really really important. And i'm really passionate about using the opportunities and experiences that i've been given to help other people out so that's really the reason that i even worked techniques floor and the reason. I'm thinking your nap to build up startup though joe as a student entrepreneur working on tech explore i realized that there so many skills that entrepreneurship teachers you. You really can't get anywhere else at the end of the day. If you know how to build a business solve a real problem deliver actual value for other human beings. Help build a team around you. Those are the skills that make a leader and regardless of junior their skills. That will help you. We'll differentiate you get a. She'll don't get it school at school. You're taught listen to your work to comply but like the difference between what you do is entrepreneurship in what you do. The student is so mass. And i wanted to figure out how i could fill that gap and make the opportunities and the lessons that i learned as a student entrepreneur more accessible to other people help other students get through that fuel and realize that. Hey as a young person. I shouldn't be afraid to jump into entrepreneurship. This is actually the best moment in my life to do it. And here's why here's the feels. Here's a network. I want to help you get going. So that's essentially the thought process behind it. We believe that entrepreneurial skills are leadership skills and more than that. We believe that any young person can build a successful business before they graduate high school so we just want to help them do it and for every high school student once they get the message. I just get goosebumps thinking. Walk the incredible future we have for the world not just the country of the state and kudos to what you're doing now. Here's a very naive question. What happens to start to indicate gap. Here what what happens next. Yeah yeah. I'm i'm planning on being involved. Startup dedrick for as long as is necessary. I'm really really passionate about this. Cause and getting to a point where it can run on. Continue helping students. So before. I leave before i go back to school whenever that is Starved jewel pena place. Where most of the core activities are built out enough and the team built out enough for that to be able to run on. Its own coaching. All that kind of that's kind of where we are so to me you have literally invented startups the concept in your own way or redefined. What's one common myth about stock that you want. To debunk coakley for all of us. Define one. I think. I think at least personally when i would initially think about startups as a young really young kid. I'd always imagine you know mark zuckerberg or like your steve jobs. Your genius types. Being kind of people who built startups these kind of crazy genius. People never really get into head of. They do weird things defeating toilet water and put it on desks. Apparently they're not they're not me so i think that's the biggest myth that i'd like to demob up. You don't need to be like this crazy. Genius genius character to be a founder. You can be literally anyone so long as you're passionate but of problem and you're willing to put in the time and efforts to take that to build a solution around that problem. I think anybody's capable of becoming a founder becoming a successful entrepreneur. I will push a little bit on. That is if the board met steve zuckerberg at that age when he was there that time. We may not him to be a genius after success recreated the story the same way today some of fortunate to learn from you. There's nothing like whether you're considered a genius will be defined by what you do today because at this point we've been appreciate and to me. That's the what. I really love about your passion about sharing opportunities with everyone instead of just running lori and so i just want to go on ask little bit beyond by saying who are three people who have been most influential in your life. Yeah i think it's three people have been the most influential. I think i think number one will be Probably my grandma. I think that's where i get like. This need to give back to other people. I've always been inspired by. How selfless she's been growing up. So you know looking at her. That's always been a big inspiration. And other person i think would be my dad. He was Use a founder us an entrepreneur and seeing him kind of struggle and build up his own build himself up that was really inspiring to me and to be select training growing lot. Second and third definitely my mom just like my family my entire family. I've learned a lot from everybody. I've had the fortune of being raised by takes the village so yeah so we talked about what he learned from. Grandma and mom and dad's work wanting you learn from. Yeah just like highly organized and get things done efficiently. I think that's something that i really. I really learned from here. I've seen here run the family and figure things out constantly being held sweaty everything all the time no matter how big the responsibilities was something. I've always really admired awesome. So you're listening to secrets to win big with art incen- and today my vip guests is undulating terrain. A seventeen year old speaker entrepreneur program director startup. two-time while robotic champion. The biggest thing is her passion about sharing opportunities with everyone on this. Last section is about rapid questions shock to seven hundred answers. Okay so let's go beyond the Startups what will be your advice to anyone in any walk of life to be a successfully. Take their esque jumping risk. How do you define big win. Being able to help others one. Big reason businesses fail to win big focused on helping helping helping nothing customers and out well played worse leaders completely rule out some obstacles from their mind. Top athletes move. The were no from the dictionary. What's award not in angeles dictionary. This one. I really had to work hard. And i really excited to put produce question. Fancier is if julian twenty twenty could fast forward in time and meet unbelie in twenty fifty three. I did that. Underlies getting ready to celebrate fifty. But what would be one advice. You would give the nearly fifty year old hundred. Find you having button a second advice. Spe- playful in life. I think as van everyone lives so pre. I always find that leaders have process because success may not a process knob repeated and for utah -ccomplish so much in the last few years. So is there a routine a ritual that he would love to the first thing you do or the last thing before you were base over that you want to share with the group. Yeah really big on running. I think it's a great way for me to clean my head. Mom and i just love being outside because it's beautiful so that's something that i always tell my day with. Just nice round the water no matter how cold it is. I live in canada so it gets pretty damn cold. Yes interesting. nice ride in the morning. What's naughty book. Clear my head and start. The day was the last thing before your work day is to it and if i really have a closing ritual going over my calendar for the following day so if you were in my shoes what would be something that you would ask underbelly that i didn't ask you covered all i ask happening so i did. Good thank you get tech you anything else you want to show again. I think i think you did a great job. You really covered everything. Thank you take onto. This was while lake to me. I listen to this a few times to appreciate on the nuggets that you shed truly appreciate that first of all. I want to wish you the very best in life ahead and your journey a coupon and you ben is where goes to me because my daughter is doing her. Phd and human. In this conversation there are few things at a very high level that with me. One is at the very core any question. Everything i asked under their into the hunting came back to how passionate she is about sharing opportunities with everyone and also big part of it comes with her appreciation of the opportunity. She has got but then based on the values from grandma that mom all together. Nixon want to share with everyone else second. I think each one of us are bound to face daily because being human means the are knocked it will do anything and everything all the time so there are new concepts that about failure that really ecologically one was this whole one fear and once the wall is there throw yourself at the wall and you can you will break through a new difference and of course you know i want to ask right away by saying you know how easy it is like you say. How do you do it. And that's the part where you really showed me the way by saying audrey new literally two choices one is either to give up and brand for yourself by saying you know i can do it or try to figure it out and put your effort because once you make that choice. It's so easy. And undulate lucia the very best in life ahead. And thank you for being on this podcast so so much for having me on. This is an absolute pleasure or got to mention earlier. If i could do. I also have my own. Podcast called the twenty twenty show so dimensions and these deresh on my podcasts soon. So he was a guest here. So i'm really excited to make that connection the twenty twenty show security show absolutely. Thank you all for listening to secrets to win. Big with arjun sent and you're not listening to secrets to win big with and sent. Please listen to the twenty twenty show with. I think he's abs. Share and review this podcast with your friends and family. Happy listening and i'm looking forward to bring you another episode with another leader from another walk of life and part of the world russell and yoga. You've been listening to secrets to win. Big with our june say founder and ceo of zen mango rand whispered top brand growth driver and a former fortune five hundred executive who has been called one of the most marketing intelligent minds in the business to learn more visit www dot zen mango dot com sheer. 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