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Fresh update on "hbo" discussed on Eddie and Rocky
"The first park in the six Flags change. The park was the first to feature log flume and mine train rides. And later, the 1st 360 degree looping roller coaster, modern parachute drop and a man made River Rapids ride to Park also pioneered the concept of all inclusive admission price until then, separate entrance fees. Is an individual right tickets were the standard this week in 1978 National Lampoon's Animal House. The movie spoof about 19 sixties college fraternities, starring John Belushi opens in U. S theaters, produced with an estimated budget of $3 Million Animal House became a huge multi million dollar box office hit, spawned a slew of cinematic imitations and became a part of pop culture history. Such memorable lines as Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through lifestyle. This week In 1981 MTV music television goes on the air. The Buggles video killed the radio star was the first music video to air on the new cable television channel. MTV went on to revolutionize the music industry and became an influential source of pop culture and entertainment in the United States and other parts of the world. And this week in 1996, a game of Thrones and epic fantasy novel by George R. R. Martin is released, although not Initially a best seller, a game of Thrones gained a loyal following, and the song of Fire and Ice series eventually became a huge hit, selling millions of books and spawning the now famous blockbuster HBO series. And that's what happened. Thanks for listening to this week in history on I Heart Radio, the films the stars the Milestones being wards I..
Netflix Wants to Play in the Gaming Industry
"Week net flicks released. Its second quarter earnings. The company said it added one point five million new subscribers that's slower growth in the streaming giant has seen over the last several quarters but netflix also announced plans to expand into something new gaming in a letter to investors. The company said it views gaming as another new content category for it similar to how it expanded into original films animation and unscripted tv. So how hard will it be for netflix. To enter this new category joining us to discuss is tech reporter sara nadelmann. Hey sarah thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. So tell me why does net flicks wanna get into gaming. Netflix wants to get in gaming. Because it's a very lucrative business and games unlike. Tv shows and movies can provide entertainment for months or even years or longer Gained followers can update their games very easily over the internet with new maps new characters new modes of play so the really sticky and long lasting and so for netflix which is seen slice subscriber growth. It's really important that the company retain its users and of course add nuance. The other thing for netflix is that is facing a lot of stiff within the video streaming realm so You know user growth has been slowing and at the same time. It's facing its first serious challenges to his business. You have while disney's disney plus one or media's hbo max you have companies like apple amazon. They're spending aggressively on streaming content in the numbers. Go on hulu peacock. There's so many of them so a lot of these just didn't exist a few years ago. Netflix is looking for ways to expand. Business netflix is earnings. Were released the other day. What did that tell us about their gaming interests and how far they're going to take it on will. They confirmed that they're going ahead to focus on mobile games As opposed to consular. Pc games at least at the start and they will be free for subscribers so they won't be an additional
Fresh update on "hbo" discussed on AP 24 Hour News
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Dallas Cowboys to Be on HBO's 'Hard Knocks' for Third Time
"In hard knocks with the Dallas Cowboys as they report to camp tomorrow, by the way, so this is their third time. The Cowboys first appeared on hard knocks in 2002 and finished with a five and 11 record that season. Yeah, Uh, they then appeared a second time in 2008. And they missed the postseason with a nine in seven record. With an uber talented team that was done in partly because of locker room turmoil. Now it is the second season. Under a really a new head coach Mike McCarthy. I mean, last year was his first year with the team. And you know he had injured quarterback last year in Dak Prescott. We saw that just gruesome ankle dislocation injury, which was rough, and, um, There you go. They're gonna be on it for a third time. So you said there are things that we are not
Fresh update on "hbo" discussed on Balance of Power
"Now they may be too high. The Commerce Department says the median sales price of a new home rose more than 6% last month from a year ago, and sales of new homes dropped unexpectedly last month to the lowest since April of last year, more than 6.5%. HBO. Max may have some issues. Subscribers have been complaining for months about the streamers. Technical shortcomings, particularly on Raku. Customers have complained about the service. Freezing and crashing. Experts say the disruptions may be part of the streaming era, and there's no real way to keep count. Companies don't release that information. But the number of online complaints about HBO Max on Roku is attracting notice. Investors are bulking up on Tesla ahead of the company's earnings report. It will come out after the close of trading on Wall Street right now. Small moves the Dow up nine and NASDAQ eight. The S and P six. Joan Doniger. Bloomberg Radio 1 45/90 to 1 80/1 11 182 Over 100. I had a heart attack and a cardiac arrest. And then a stroke. Your blood pressure numbers could change your life. A lot of people don't understand it, including myself. I didn't know I do. The impact. Of having a show..
‘Space Jam’ Dunks on ‘Black Widow’ to Take Box Office No. 1
"The sequel to a popular basketball movie has scored an upset at the box office with a bunch of bad reviews and the dominance of Black Widow most movie observers didn't expect the sequel to space jam to do much damage at the box office but the live action animation surprisingly scored big studio estimates say space jam a new legacy took in thirty one point seven million dollars more than enough to beat last weekend's top movie Black Widow space jam success is a family affair with millennials who grew up on the original with Michael Jordan returning in some cases with their kids in tow to watch the follow up which stars lebron James the space jam sequel is the biggest pandemic opening for Warner brothers that's important because this year the studio is releasing all of its film simultaneously in theaters and on HBO Max I'm Oscar wells Gabriel
Fresh update on "hbo" discussed on Donna and Steve
"Usually I put on TV, so we never thing. Goodbye, you and hey, Hey, I see what's up. Everyone starting Steve. Hey, Rocco DJ Red Lobster in the hair. And your fingers between you. Klopp Klopp clause in my mind, we never. We've never said this. But in my mind that lobster is on a search board and slides in With headphones on and he's a rare lobster. His blue Yeah, you only find those on occasion and guys must be having those apple juice dreams. There's something about that audio that makes you imagine like me and Donna's recording, and then you just like on a wave flying in and like clopping, your little clap. It's awesome little pin cheese. Hey, What do you think? Um I don't know if I can. I can just say The word, Hmm. Hold on Rocco, say some things and I'll talk to Brittany off the air. Okay, so I was just sending Brittany and don a picture of my lobster shorts that came in the mail. This can't wait. And I was gonna as I took a few pictures of me wearing them. And it was going to send him to you. And then I thought, And that seems inappropriate. You shouldn't send You're sure they're kind of short. I have bad boundaries. Like you know my thighs in this one that seems weirdo. Part of, you know, whatever the time of day, So I send you a picture from the J Crew catalog with just the shorts on a white background that was safe. Can I just say this before Britney goes on with her story And while we await your photo A man. That's way Tony from France just sent us an email and said Bonjour. Sure everyone tried to call but the rock lobster didn't pick it up. Oh, uh, sometimes I gotta talk. I don't have time. Sometimes there's little claws can't pick up phone. Yes, exactly. The pinchers. Our arthritic, um when she said, enjoying your show from here in northern Burgundy Love Britney as a co host, great chemistry she has with all the hos. I cried about the rescue dogs touching. Good luck for the millennial X games. Merci. Thank you. Mercy to you. I'm sorry, but saying that you're emailing from France is the coolest casual sentence. You can say. I know, right? And I know it's like everyone is email in France. Probably. I believe you don't feel that way about us. It's France. They're just cool. It just cool thing to say emailing from France. This one says We all right. Thanks, Tone, Tony. Here's my not different. Here's my naughty word I had to ask about Okay. Can f boys be reformed? I don't know what you're saying. You know who are the F boys? That's a great question. Show yourself. HBO is doing this show. Where and by the way, I did not think that HBO had to go down this route of like Terrible reality show that this was like, exclusively Netflix territory, but they are jumping on. They are here for an HBO Max decides to make this show called F Boy Island. There are three women who are placed on an island with 24 hot, sexy guys. Half are self described as F boys half claimed to be nice guys. The women have to figure out who's who. In other words. Welcome to the dating world that we didn't know we needed. I have questions. Uh, Donna. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. First time. Long time. Um And what does F boys men, so it's like F voice first up. You know what that letter would stand for. Okay? I can't. I can't afford to get in trouble on your like F boys. No, like Yeah, boy like they're here for Like I'm rich and don't have a husband and I just need a guy on the side. A young man on the side. I'm here for a good time. Like a friend with benefits..
Black Widow Movie Review
"Spectacle of the big screen. Variety has also been in great supply recently. We'll get to several new releases this week. Well several being four steven soderbergh's latest the crime drama. No sudden move. That came to hbo. Max last week. Don cheadle the neo del toro and a bunch of other great actors in that one also summer of soul from first time. Director quests love came to theaters into hulu that concert doc about a nineteen sixty nine harlem concert series that featured performances by nina simone stevie wonder sly and the family stone and many more all of those having never been seen since nineteen sixty nine our review of that one could just be a ranking of our top five favorite moments. We might. We might even do that. Josh that would probably get us through the first half hour of the movie. I think we can pick five from that. Yeah you also caught up with zola which stars riley keough a wild road trip tale inspired at least in part by an infamous twitter thread. I can't wait for you to unpack that and more later in the show. But i the is finally back on a big screen near you after a handful of disney plus streaming series phase for kicks off with the scarlett johansson starring feature black widow. Fine an enter. I mean mistakes. A lot of enemies is called signs. Taskmaster he controls the red room. They're manipulated fully conscious but no choices. I should have come back for you. How many others are call. Her black widow call her and natasha. Romanoff scarlett johansson returns as the former kgb assassin turned avenger in the twenty fourth mc feature which is named after her now timeline. Wise black widow takes place in the aftermath of captain america civil war. I think i've got that right. Adam had to confirm it with my daughter who knows more about the than i do. I think that's correct
Fresh update on "hbo" discussed on Valentine In The Morning
"Jordan with Valentine in the morning and one of 43 my album. Alright, Tony. Thank you very much. The weather today rain and thunderstorms this morning. How crazy Partly sunny later on this afternoon. Temps in the eighties and seventies near the beaches. 68 Somare 16 Any Compton Jill has got the Hollywood headlines coming up. A surprise secret wedding took place over the weekend for a star of an HBO show. I'll tell you who at 8 50. We're talking about weddings were asking the fellas what they would like their dream wedding because usually I feel like traditionally, the women do the majority of the planning and value said the U. S. Didn't really have a big thing. But you said, not really now renewal or something. You'll go over the top. Damn said van needs to do a vow renewal and include listeners. We're trying to give away tickets for everybody else's wedding. Yes, By the way, nobody ever let me do that. So why should I have to do that now? So you can see what it feels like. I'm may invite listeners. Absolutely.
Give Me Money or I Spoil Your Favorite Show
"Gentlemen i am home. I see on the side walk. And i'll spend my days in the new york public bob bird because of that. I read all george martin guy there go ahead. No the t. v. show. I will tell you if you do not give me money. No threesome cook is dead with trading which i have read so i know what happens to john snow. Everybody knows he's is he is he. Thank you very much. Something ryan like land is to always paid his debts now while i have read these books. I'd have yet to realize my dream of cnn brought to light bussan. What kinda give me that. Hbo gulp or the hbo nail were. No i guess. I will have to tell you which characters into tree guy notice l. stupid but there's a lot of stupid shit that happened in the books that they have been on show. Yes this is my password. Please shut up. About game of thrones. You should always have capital letter k. I guess this
A Program Vs. A Project - Brandon Kaplan CEO of Skilled Creative Discusses the Rise of Voice in Media and Commerce - Voicebot Podcast Ep 216 - burst 06
"Yeah i think a lot. Lot more of the conversations in the marketing teams have more flexibility than moving more quickly But we show like a spectrum to our clients who say hey you know you wanna you wanna make big expensive. Heavy alexis kill We can do that but while we're doing that. Do you have a podcast that you want to drive traffic to voice device will let's literally just do a media plan that is you know Social media posts the say amazon lady play the blank podcast and that took one day's worth of effort so for every one of our clients. We've got a product roadmap. That's that's plotted in a very important Factor that's on every single execution which is a level of lift versus potential return. And we're testing out with all workloads. So we're not putting all of our eggs in one basket. We're saying let's test all of it so maybe. Hbo max does want to really heavily promote amazon lady. Play blank on. Hbo max to fire tv device owners. And we're piloting that as much as we're piloting really heavy alexa skills or or other things. And and don't forget you know that there's a whole slew of other things that these companies care about which is really interesting physical activation. They care about customer service they want to have a conversation around vr and want to drive subscriptions. They have merchandise that they want to sell an amazon inventory So that's why say there's like two hundred layers deep and we're constantly just assessing and bringing to our clients what we think the best next thing for them to be testing against his And that's why we look at it as a program versus a project.
What Skilled Creative Is - Brandon Kaplan CEO of Skilled Creative Discusses the Rise of Voice in Media and Commerce - Voicebot Podcast Ep 216 - burst 03
"Were a voice agency You know we call ourselves a full service voice agency because we we help our clients with education and strategy and creative and technical production and audio production creative production go to market strategy maintenance analytics partnership management so if an organization is interested in invoices a channel or a user interface than were or there. Were we kind of look at ourselves. Like a accenture or deloitte for us as touch point And started the company as as an innovation company working in a bunch of different technologies. And then we we. We pivoted to really hyper focusing on voice. You know probably three years ago And then you know. We've we've further kind of whittled down into a few different categories. We certainly work with a number of cpg clients because we we see a big growth in invoice commerce as many others do but we've also really doubled down on on and so that's why we've had the chance to work with meredith corporation the nba and potter more and warner music group and warnermedia. Hbo max and a number of different media companies. Because if you look at you know how people engage with voice a lot of it is media and entertainment and we talked to our clients a lot where we say you think about computers in nineteen ninety-seven think about mobile phones in two thousand seven people didn't get a smartphone in two thousand seven and then throw it out they just got the next one and it kept on permeating their house in their lives more and more and more so as soon as somebody adds voice device to their house. It's likely some small outliers gonna say that was that was weird and they and they turn it off and plug it but most people are going to be offloading more and more of their daily utility to those devices. So we say listen. If you know media and entertainment has really been at the forefront of every major digital We'll see voice any different so music and entertainment and streaming and games and news and and all of that we think voices a a really powerful user interface for
Dallas Cowboys to Make Third Appearance on 'Hard Knocks'
"The Dallas Cowboys will be featured for the third time in the 20th anniversary season of hard knocks on HBO. The Cowboys are the first team to make three appearances on the training camp Documentary series. The first was 2000 to the most recent 2008. Ed Donahue. AP
Cowboys to make their 3rd appearance on HBO's 'Hard Knocks'
"Are returning to hard knocks NFL films announcing the HBO Max Show, We'll look at this year's training camp and how the roster will be finalized. It is the third time for the Cowboys to be on the show. It will debut on August 10th. I'm
Cowboys to Make Their 3rd Appearance on HBO's 'Hard Knocks'
"Fans will get a closer look at the Dallas Cowboys training camp. Everybody pick it up tonight because we're capable of being a great football tank HBO announcing They'll feature America's team on their hit show Hard knocks Cowboys coming off a disappointing six in 10 seasons but have high hopes with the return of newly signed star quarterback Dak
Interview With Uzo Aduba of HBO's 'in Treatment'
"Lissouba. Welcome to fresh air. I'm really going to miss you and your character. Thank you for having me. Did playing therapist lead to a lot of self reflection. Did you start asking yourself questions that she asked her patients. Oh yeah for sure. I think the first thing in. Why do people go to therapy. What are what. are you supposed to do in therapy. I think that's a question anybody myself included ever got it. There be wonders. What am i initially supposed to be doing here with you. And you realize what you're supposed to be doing is being honest both with the person in the womb but most important yourself and what it is. You're here dan pack. So you've been in therapy yourself. Yes was it helpful in playing the character of a psychotherapist. Oh definitely i mean. I certainly was able to tap into what what the room and the structure of the experience like having been in therapy. It was interesting for me being in brooks seats. It really made me empathic to not. Only my own therapists thought to therapists at large. That they do this all day. You know the weight of that job is a heavy one. Because i think before even though i knew that it was a hard job. I think i'd never really took full stock of what it must mean to have. Not just me come in for a session but the person before me the person after me that they are responsible for hoping to hold some of whatever it is that they're patient brings in to the room that day along with carrying whatever it is. They're they're they're holding in their own lives
Conan O'Brien Ends TBS Late-Night Show With Snark, Gratitude
"After eleven years Conan o'brien wrapped up his TV talk show between NBC and TBS Conan o'brien has been a host for twenty eight years really it's getting creepy there were plenty of clips of all shows in a farewell from will Ferrell is there for you your final late night show and your last tonight show the episode and and now this one yeah that's true it's kind of become a tradition I'll tell you what it is it's exhausting as the final TBA show was wrapping up I have devoted all of my adult life all of it to pursuing this strange phantom intersection between smart and stupid o'brien got serious try and do what you love with people you love and if you can manage that it's the definition of heaven on earth this is not the end of Conant tonight thank you governor Bryant next venture is a weekly variety series for HBO Max set to premiere next year I bet Donahue
Conan O'Brien and Seth Rogan Smoke Weed On-Air
"O Brien. Um, I don't know why I've never been a fan of his. But anyway, he's uh, always cutting new ground. He got together with South Rogan. And his late night show is coming to an end. He's getting ready to do a big thing for HBO and and you know all that, but he thought he would go out with a bang. So how did he do that? With Rogan? They lit up a big holder on TV live in front of everybody. And it kind of sounded like this. You seem like a guy who's I don't know. Relax, centered. Like you know who you are. I'm going to have a lot of free time now for a while. We're going to start something else up. But I'm going to have some downtime. And I honestly I'm not even kidding. I don't really know what to do with downtime. Yes, I get that sense from you. Yeah. Really Tell me. Yeah, I do. I mean, Never doing your live show in Vancouver after I remember being with you backstage. We were just like what is happening right now. Like what? Why are you doing this demand? I demanded that that I had all the time to, like, Take some time off before we started. The next thing I know, we're during more show all across the country. I think theaters Yeah, I needed to be medicated, but it was still a lot of fun. No, it was a pleasure to play a part in your therapy ins, But, yeah, I think you do have time on your hands. Would suggest this is going to be hilariously on brand. Try smoking a lot of weed for a long time.
Roald Dahl's Matilda: Favourite Books
"We thought we talk about some of our favorite books when your kids. This is a question we got a. What was your favorite things to read. When you were younger we thought we do an episode on it and You wanna start. Give us one of your favorite books. Yes oh i had a hard time choosing just books and i have gone with a couple Authors and i'm going to start with one of the old classics role doll. Because i really loved mathilde. But i also really loved the witches and i loved danny champion of the world. There are many many books by roald. Dahl that very much loved. So but matilda was probably my favorite mathilde classic movie. Featuring mara wilson danny devito perelman none of important featuring the trunch bull mathilde a book all about a little girl with special magical powers who goes to school and and she has really crummy parents and then she goes to a school where there's a really crummy principal But then she meets a teacher named miss honey and things start to go a little bit better for her and it's great. Yeah and there's magic realism. It's really fun book. Probably if you're around our age you seen the movie. It's still a great book for kids. The movie holds up. it's all great yeah And and other books by roald dahl are also really good the witches which also has just recently a movie on. Hbo max and it's another movie from our childhood. That was very scary. I don't recommend it. Also which is for slightly older kids kind of scary
James Michael Tyler, Gunther on 'Friends,' Reveals He Has Cancer
"If you are a fan the actor who played gutter on a show. James michael tyler. Just announced some really sad news on the today. Show says he's battling stage four prostate cancer. Which has left his lower body completely paralyzed and he said his illnesses worsening spread to his bones at this point and that's what left him unable to attend the friends reunion. Hbo max that's why he called into the special via zoom but he said the cancer started mutating at the beginning of the pandemic and the it progressed after he missed a doctor's appointment so he is undergoing chemotherapy right now and he said my goal. This past year was to see my fifty ninth birthday. I did that on. May twenty eighth. He said my goal now is to help. Save at least one life out with this news.
Interview With the Creators of 'Hacks'
"I am so very pleased to welcome onto the watch podcasts. The co creators and show runners at one of the best shows of the year hacks. Hbo max please. Welcome lucia yellow paul downs. And gen statsky guys. Thanks for coming on the podcast. It's for having traffic also thrilled because this appears to be in celebration of june fifteenth california's everything opening day. The first covid unfriendly podcast. We've ever done because you guys are on three zoom boxes on my screen. But you are all in the same room which i applaud. S right although truth be told. We have been bubble for about a year and a half together for a long time. Basically wrote the show and shot and edited it all during the pandemic. we've been together in the whole. It was made during this really fun time i. It's it's an even more impressive achievement. Because of that. And i do want to ask. I also wanna say extend my apologies chris. My co host is not here for this podcast partly because he thinks five people is too many but also. Because i think he assumed correctly that i was gonna hijack this and turn it into a sitters club. Podcast which. I which. I still might do spending how much time we have because big fan big hit my household. I think here. It's my star. wars. Yeah i mean. We're on the graphic novels currently outstanding. So but anyway i digress. Let's talk about tax So the three of you. I believe i work together on broad city a show that i also love very much. Is that maybe accurate is. This is the right place to begin the origin story of this show or reset me completely. If i'm wrong. Well janet actually met when we were both in sketch group in new york at many moons ago. Only two girls in the group women. I suppose and girls time. Yeah we were yelling. Twenty two thousand and they stopped mailing us so we were just slowly kick divy group sketch. Comedians always the best. He liked each other. We found we worked all together. So yeah that was. That was kind of our first and then obviously she and hall had already been working together. We're together we all met and just kind of immediately started working together. We're working on stuff.
"In the Heights": A Joyous Return to the Movies
"T o P News Well before Hamilton Lin Manuel Miranda won best musical for in the Heights. The hotly anticipated movie version is now showing in movie theaters and streaming on HBO. Max, Who's Na'vi de la Vega runs a bodega in one Washington Heights, New York, Dreaming of returning to the Dominican Republic. Anthony Ramos inherits the Royal from Lin Manuel Miranda, but it won't be jarring to D C audiences who already saw him in the part of the Kennedy Center. We root for his romance with Melissa Barrera, just as we do, Allegedly Grace and Corey Hawkins, all four of which get character arts, dreaming of starting a tiki bar. Becoming hairstyle is fighting for immigrants and running a taxi dispatch director John Chu proves you can do things on screen that you can on stage, choreographing dance numbers in swimming pools, surreal subway tunnels, even sides of buildings. A tough pandemic year. It's the feel good movie we need right now for a
'In the Heights,' a Movie Full of Joy and Love
"After a long delay its scheduled release due to the pandemic in the heights is finally out both in theaters and on hbo. Max monica. i'm going to start with you. What did you think of in the heights. i loved it. There are very few movies that already have in tears by the time. The you know the opening studio credit shows up just as the movies beginning. It's basically coco and in the heights and this one had me from the jump. It's just so beautiful so jubilant it is a celebration of everyday life is a celebration of the connections that bind us. You know as you were saying. There's such a huge ensemble and everybody's great. I mean it doesn't feel like there's a misstep in the whole movie and for me. It's almost a little hard to talk about without almost crying. So i'll try to avoid that but but i do love how considering that it was delayed by the pandemic and you know the hype for in the heights was already happening when everything was interrupted and so now it does feel like this big return it does feel like the celebration of you know the people who we rely on to get through the day and it's just so beautifully done I can't say enough. Good things about it really
"hbo" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka
"This is a special bonus. Episode of recode media comes to you from our code media conference. This is a conversation I had with John. Stanky he's the COO of at not in the CEO of Warner media who focused mostly on the Warner media part Obviously as you know were media's launching. Hbo Max as Entry Into Streaming wars next spring we talked about the strategy for that launch strategy for Warner media general criticism. At and T.. Has Gotten about its media business It's it's a pretty wide ranging conversation. I think you will enjoy it. You want to put on a conference that people want to attend. You have me come up. I that seems like a mistake. I think it's GonNa work out fine little. It's good I want. We're GONNA spend a lot of time talking about your company but I wanna talk about someone who's not your company. Disney launched last last week. Disney plus ten million sign up. Subscribers are not quite sure what the right metric is as someone who is launching your own streaming service next spring what that ten million number mean to you. They did a good job. Good for them. A good start Obviously we started starting a little different position with a little different product and our our point of view would be. We'd like very much to see as many of our HBO subscribers migrated into the new products as possible. That gives us a nice base to work from. I think the bigger trick here in most of these streaming services how many the ten million are still there six months from now right. It's it's managing churn and the the life cycle that customer. That's one of the big challenges. A lot of these streaming services are giving away for free or discounted got Disney plus for free. Because I'm a verizon customer for a year her at what point do you think you'll be able to sure I'm going to end up paying At what point do you think you can really assess the health of all the services that are launching this chair next year. How long before we sort of see? WHO's actually winning? Look I think my point of view in the next two to three years this is a race to get scale on platforms. And so obviously you don't WanNa do anything. It's reckless economically. But let's be cognizant of the fact fact. The goal here is to build a platform that has a scaled customer base on it and in my case I view that as you know you'd like entree to two thirds of the US households and then behind the borders of the US. So we think three years out is a good time to go all right. We'll see how this shaking out Su Su who's in the foot races kind of build on that scale so so let's talk about your strategy. I I went to your investor presentation. I think I understand it. I think some people might be confused about it. That's I think a lot of comments about how clear it up row expensive. HBO Now HBO. Max's fifteen dollars. But you said you want to migrate the existing. HBO SUBS TO HBO Max. That's step one very much. Would I'd like to I think as I said I think used the term investor conference. It's a bit of an IQ tests to get twice as much content for the same price. Why wouldn't you WANNA do it? See this is why I like having you on stage it's Q.. Test which you can flip that around go anyone who doesn't get. Hbo Max's Stupid Right. No not at all okay. But so the ideas you've got the existing. Hbo Product that remains the same. Please renew watchmen. It's amazing and then you're going to have. Hbo Max which is HBO. Plus plus other stuff. It's correct and the ideas. You're GonNa take everyone who's got. Hbo In theory and Make Them Hbo Mac subscribers for the same price. We're not gonNA make him do anything the hopefully by choice. They're going to look at and say it's a great product and then something that they want to do and they choose to opt in and take advantage of that and we as we talked about the the investor day some of those customers are customers of other distributors distributor ultimately will have to agree to sign into some kind of a distribution agreement with HBO. Max which robbed a mystic that'll occur. What's your pitch to comcast or an apple for that matter who signed up an HBO subscriber and say Look? We want you to move moved into this new thing. It's not a lot different than choosing a distributor. Hbo One you get to participate in the economics every month associated with that customer former. That's probably better than what happens. When you choose to put a icon on your set top box to steer somebody over to net flix because you know get that monthly awfully residual to all that data that's generated gets put over into our databanks within ZANDER? Then gets not an as an aggregated you can look at nationwide basis of customer information that helps you and as we move down the path to the side of things to monetize sizes and Tori in that fashion. That's very attractive and three look. This is a product that is of the genre of what we've done traditionally adding on the pay TV and we understand how to sport that ecosystem. Hbo An earlier incarnation on Time Warner washed. HP are now expected had to get comcast and the other distributors to get behind it. And they didn't what makes you think it'll be different this time around. In what regard do you think they didn't get behind it. They weren't happy about about it. They were they weren't going out of the way to market it. A lot of pushback still have you know. HBO Subscribers out there. And I don't drink selling standalone now isn't how I would necessarily mark their commitment to the product it's selling HBO. That's their commitment to the product. It's the same product the HBO go allows the same feature functionality distributor that HBO now does so. I think they've been supportive of it if the economics are right they'll do that going forward so I am an HBO subscriber now there's an Iq test. I'm going to pass it I'm going to get HBO mask. Because there's other stuff even if I don't WanNA watch it. It will cost the same amount of money if you haven't been subscribing to. Hbo What is the proposition. That's GonNa make you an HBO Max Subscriber so generally speaking if you haven't been subscribing to HBO. You know it's possible we haven't done a good enough job putting the product out in front of you more than likely it's because the content and how it's engineer doesn't hit your particular demo and it isn't relevant to you and I mean there's a lot out of data and information that we have that suggest we do a pretty good job of penetrating the demos which we create the content for Max opens the aperture that a demo. It's intended to get to customers that look at HBO and say well. I really just don't see enough there that resonates with me each feels great content. Great brands done a remarkable markle job. Not suggest any way shape or form. We want to change that value proposition or that brand but it does have a specific demo at attracts Max allows us to start opening that aperture so somebody looks at and says yeah there were couple of HBO shows. I was interested in. But now there's four or five new ones ones that I'm really interested in that gets me over the Hump to movement. I think I understand what Netflix has pitches. We have a ton of stuff that Disney plus plus pitches pretty straightforward. We have Disney Marvel Lucasfilm if I'm trying to convince someone who hasn't paid fifteen bucks for. Hbo To Fifteen Bucks for HBO. Max What is the thing. It's going to bring them over. What is the show? What is the brand? What is the idea as we said it's quality of the curation and that we think we talked a lot about this at the investor? Day The paradox of choice is actually driving a lot of frustration in the customer experience. We think we've done a nice job. HBO where a person WHO's attached to that brand knows they can go find content. That's going to resonate with them. That they like our job is to do the same thing with Max which is for that demo that moves beyond the traditional. Hbo Demo We know we can go to HBO. Max and find something that's going to be at the quality and caliber that will relate to and we like we can get there and find it quickly and have a great experience around it. So it's a combination of enough depth that we get engaged on a daily basis from a household but at the same time time we keep the quality factor up. And you're able to convince the folks who work at. HBO Now and customers of HBO out here. That the stuff that I've been used to seeing. Hbo Isn't going to change in a significant way. If I if I have an understanding what. HBO Programming Is. That's not going to change. I think it's important understand. Just how we're approaching this are. Hbo Programming Team is still the HBO programming team. It's very same group of people that were here the day we we closed a transaction they continue to be funded budgeted and supported in a standalone fashion. They continue to see the funnel of opportunities and projects. The same way they do today today about all this changes a little more collaboration that occurs with that team and another group of individuals that are working on expanding that aperture sometimes one and team will hear a pitch. They'll say you know this isn't really quite right on brand for us but maybe it works over here. Let me channel you down the hall over to this group over here to take a look. That's not an. HBO show that's an HBO match. Maybe a better match show. It may hit a particular demo that we're trying to work there or have the right tone and tenor but nothing has changed in terms of what we WANNA GONNA do to curate. Hbo In terms of the number of hours were investing in continue to ramp up and stay at that increased level that we initiated in charter. The time we closed a transaction you made a reference to the folks at. Hbo Is Still Being there. You brought that up at the investor relations as well. Richard Poplar obviously has gone and a lot of other folks have left. Hbo Your contending that the people who do the programing part of it are there for the most part Casey boys and his team have done remarkable job running the program and invest in picking the right shows for an extended period time role. Still there so I think last March ended up writing a headline that said all the people who used to run time. Time Warner have now left this Jeff Beauprez pleasure David Levy Kevin Sahara left for different reasons. When you guys bought the company did you expect you? We did see that brain drain that quickly. I wouldn't characterize it that there's been a brain drain first of all a lot of very capable leaders. We had as I've said publicly many times terms. This was not one company. It was a collection of literally four companies. If you think about it in each of those four companies had its own leadership and its own overhead for payroll systems for different holidays that each of the organizations take believe it or not and so part of what this was is about ensuring that when we put things together we can take the best of everything and get ourselves down to a scaled media company instead of three or four subscale media companies. We started that process so in that process of moving from three to one yes there are some individuals as we started reengineer jobs and change. How things get done that look at it and say Gosh? That's not the job I was hired into. I wanted to be the CEO of this sandbox. This is doing these things and now now you're asking me to maybe do a different job and somebody says that's not my Gig. It's not where I am in my career right now. That's your play. No I'm just talking in general and somebody steps away from it we've had others folks like Gerhard Zeiler and Sucker That have said you know. I like this this new construct and I'm committed to where it's going and they stay with it You Know Kevin unfortunately had a little bit of mishap and stepped away but You Know Kevin was somebody was going to carry forward when life gives you. I'm an make lemonade. We got a great individual and Sarnoff. Who came in behind Kevin? WHO's off to to a fabulous start very capable and professional individual? We hire Bob Greene Bladder. and Bob is a great individual working in the creative side of things. This added a tremendous amount of value. And our business and broaden the aperture on the kind of content that we can build so I don't feel like there's any brain drain whatsoever. I think we're in great shape. Your longtime eighteen t guy. This is a new world for you. Relatively Obviously had some idea what you're getting into. What has surprised you about running this company and media business in general and I think I had an idea what I was getting into? I think maybe I shared this with you. I think one time when you and I spoke. Maybe the one thing that I didn't fully holy process which is a bit ironic. Given that I I'm byproduct of Eight. Major emanate transactions in my career. This wasn't one emanate transaction. It was three because it was three very distinct businesses while I knew that and I knew that they ran very autonomously in independently fully function. That said that you know all those decisions you make. After an emanate transaction. You're going to have to make them three times that particular piece probably put a few more cycles in than I would have expected and made things a little bit choppier than I would have liked but other than that I expected it was going to be a challenge. I expected it was going to be different and it hasn't disappointed in that regard. We were talking backstage. I was looking at the comments. You made summer of two thousand eighteen eighteen plus player in big internal audience. And you said a lot of what you said is what you have done right. You've you've strategy laid out for. Hbo Is Widening the aperture. I think he used that exact phrase. I think he probably expected more or less folks to say like you said there was an activist shareholder signed came in a few months ago. A whole series of complaints about the way. At and T.. Was Run and one of them was said. You should not be running warner media. What's that like when someone buys three billion dollars stock and says we've like this guy to have that job or it's not something you aspire to when you wake up in the morning yes did you? And I'm presumably..
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"Delahoya were born. Always look the dogs Kunosic him when will mental many two games and me fighting my way to represented only sixteen you know, I always said that. I talk to him because he's Mexican so in California and one of metal and I wanted to do the same. And so there was an opportunity for me to go up there and spot with Oscar. So I said, man. You know, I have one is with us wanna go of their June US Boehner's. Absolutely. You tell me twice the love to do that. So we got a chance as far as part of maybe maybe twice, you know. When when warning we're going to go run got us up to running. Then you know, Robert was with me I ask in Rome with us too. But he got there late. So you know, we waited for little bit. But we saw that he was barely putting them. So we we just start running. So I'm running and I'm following Margaret's. Here. You know, sixteen years of age at this before when the US championships become the national German bunks history open division, and a mom what was running on rubber. And I dunno the travel because I never had been before. So. You know, I'm running through the trails and in abory Robert in next to no high fall, and I eat it, and I eat shit and. Mud and snow on my face. And and I'm foreign rolling because of went downhill like, it was crazy because right when I put my face on I saw room by any laughed, and he just laughed and kept going so from then on I said. You know, what into mice fucked motherfucker when day I'm gonna fight them on for in one day. We'll be za`z. So that's what might is to stain started in with Oscar. And and that's why you know, w the nicer now compared to that food for years after that incident. Fargos wouldn't tell the story of why he came to hate Oscar so much, but he made his enmity known at every possible. Turn it every possible interview. I I interviewed Fernando in nineteen ninety eight when I was an editor at the ring magazine, and he'd had a mere nine pro fights and was already calling for a fight with delahoya in one of our interviews. He called de LA Hoya puppet who said only what promoter Bob Arum, instructed him to say he questioned L Hoyas toughness his Mexican nece. But one thing he wouldn't do explain what went down in big bear perhaps because he knew it would sound to an outsider like an anti climax. But whether you can empathize with Vargas and understand where his disdain came from or not the fact is that the. Caused him embarrassment and pain, and he pardon the pun let those feelings snowball. Meanwhile, this moment that resonated so profoundly with Vargas made no impression on de LA Hoya. I. I don't know where he got this idea that we were we were running up in big bear the mountains in California where I used to train about eight thousand feet elevation. And apparently, we were running we were younger kids, obviously that was like nineteen years old. He was maybe fourteen fifteen and we were apparently running jogging about seven eight miles and towards the end he fell on his face. And at the time there was snow. So he falls on his face. And that apparently, I laughed. You know, kind of like making fun of him. And I don't remember doing that. I just don't recall Robert Garcia was ARGUS friend. But he comes down on Oscar side when it comes to interpreting what happened that day in big bear. The we were running in the mountains, and we were running down the hill. And it was it was drinks no season. So Oscar de LA Hoya always ran with us by what was always a head of. He was always the guy leading the crew. He never nobody ever beat them and running you know, that's just what he what? So we're we're all running down the hill and Oscar is I, you know, not very far, but he was the head of us. So for under tripped and rolled you know on the on the snow did not get injured nothing to happen. But we are left. We all left, you know. And and I was the head of us. A few feet ahead of us and turned around, and you know, he end up and under what got up, and and was okay. So he was having too. But it was it was it was a case where it was mostly it was it was funny more than we were really worried about mantle being injured. It was just a funny situation. And we all laughed I believe I believe it was more about an Fernando in his own mind. It's interesting to note how memories play tricks on people, and how Vargas and Garcia have opposite recollections of whether Oscar was behind or ahead of Fernando either way when I talked with Oscar brother, and assistant cornerman Joel delahoya for this podcast. He spoke for many outside observers when he asked with a chuckle, quote, why would the hatred be so prevalent because of that issue, whatever your interpretation of the origin story, Vargas feelings toward delahoya always struck me as genuine, but when Vargas as a rising pro prospect, and then titleholder declared himself, a real Mexican fighter and derided Oscar as a phony there were some who questioned his sincerity. Including HBO blow by blow commentator, Jim Lampley. I always felt that it smacked of opportunism. I like Fernando. Okay. I'm I'm friendly with him. Now, I was friendly with him then. And I always found him to be up close a an appealing personality and got along with him. Very well, but I was disturbed by the level of venom. And the I think in some ways inappropriate disapproval that he that he fronted regarding Oscar, and and it felt to me like it was a business ploy. He wanted that fight. He wanted that fight to be big and meaningful and he wanted if he won that fight to come out with a bigger trophy. Then just a win over Oscar de LA Hoya. He wanted to be the Mexican American fighter any wanted to represent a different constituency than what he thought Oscar was representing Oscar was a nice boy who loved his mama Fernando was
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"Or radio show or a TV show every week for five years, you're not gonna make it if you don't enjoy working with the person you're having these conversations with and I'm hopeful that this isn't the end for us as a podcast team. But it is the end for us on the HBO boxing podcast, specifically, I can't imagine. There's anyone else in the boxing media. I would've enjoyed doing it with as much as you. Thanks for letting me ride your coat tails. And yes, that's something. You say when you're pretending to be humble when really everyone knows down was the other guy who is running your coat tails over to you. Karen? Yes. Fuck say, it's said I and here the writer bells into his big bag of Okabe Laurie to describe what it was like and comes up with sucks ass. It was it was really rough. I mean, it's been. I think our gig over the last five ish years has been I don't think that as gig that I've enjoyed more. I really thoroughly enjoyed it. And a large part of that is podcasting with you and talking with you and. Actually, dealing with you. You will thrill at the Philadelphia Eagles winning the Super Bowl before before podcasts and not note to the patriots fan listeners. I didn't bring it up. Karen, brought up this year's been better, obviously. But I have a horrible feeling. It's going to take a nasty turn that that's been hugely enjoyable and also he said, Eric, I think we've been so fortunate obviously, we've had other editors in the past with ice O been tremendously supportive who've who've helped move things along Chris Vivian and Steve Morrow self, but I can never say enough good things about Gluck who has been such an advocate for boxing and within the company's then so much not just us. Not just to the podcast, but for HBO, boxing, generally, really fought the good fight within that company. And you happen to be a great editor in offense person that it's been an honor as well as a pleasure to work with him as it has been. With you. And the only reason I'm not getting overly emotional about the end of our podcast is that as you alluded to. I think we're both that being too complacent. I think we're reasonably mildly optimistic that this is just a pause and a reset and the reformatting of the series. For for down the line. We do hope that that will be more of of American I- inbox in boxing podcasting. Hopefully in the not too distant future. There was one other thing with your indulgence that I wanted to add here because as you know, the podcasting is part of what I do for HBO as you mentioned when we started this. We were both working for the website and contemporaneous with doing the podcast. I've had the opportunity to be the digital reporter for HBO and. You know, I'm really fortunate for the last five years. So I really have been all over the world with. Vegas less Vegas. LA london. Montreal Monaco Macau. Ecotank. Berg and Russia could fill 'em entire podcast with this non against it took place on that trip. And as a consequence it's been my really good fortune to get to know. So many of the crew the production team that people really make the broadcast happen and make them look so good. It's a tremendous bunch of people traveling circus our own family. We like each other. We have fun together. I look forward every time to go into a fight. Because I knew that I'd be seeing friends and might be working with friends. And and the thing is well as being great people. They will all not only good, but the best, and that's why boxing was so great because the quality of the people involved as people on us professionals was so great for me like my favorite moment. Always and fight week on fight night. And there's always just a couple minutes before the broadcast started and everybody, you know, we'd all be having fun during fight week. And whether you ringside sitting next to me, or whatever we you know, chatting and the crew. Meal and then the clock kind of tick down, and I was feeling that everybody would start getting that game faces on and everyone would get into position. And I always felt really proud to be a part of that team. 'cause I looked around and realized that not only did we all know in like each other. But you knew everyone was going to do a good job. And you knew everyone was going to pick up everyone else. So. We already talked to with your indulgence just wanted to give a quick shout is I'm really grateful to Dave Harmon who has always really supportive very encouraging and give feedback on his own time. And was a good friend of the podcast to. And it was great great to have him. Another still one of my favorite episodes having Dave on talking about what goes on behind behind the scenes to some extent and very grateful to him and for this sort of traveling team at Mulholland and Kevin Flaherty, Jerry Eliah. Certainly gonna miss you guys terribly full credit to Tommy Kotel when my door, and folks, you may have sometimes just seeing this woman with a headset on like in the corner of the screen escorting fighters to the railing were being in the ring or wondered who she was you have no idea how much HBO boxing broadcast really needed time to make everything run like clockwork. And I was also really happy to be a part of what we call it internally. Delta force the team that put together the fighter minutes you would see during broadcasts. So that it'll packages or the two days of the twenty four seven, and they were great bunch of people, and I really enjoy being a part of that team on our own little subgroup within that the digital team Alba came and just Johnson. I'm most of time Castillo who had the worst job in HBO sports because for the last five years, I don't know how much time he's been looking at my face and listening to he's trying to edit both in a way that made everyone look good. So many times by me. Purpose that hotels around the world over the years. He's very patient. And so thank you, Tom. And anyway, I'm realized this into an academy we'll speak. You don't have to budget for the music to play me off. So just to say just the reiterate, look, it's this has been with you in the podcast with working with with being on the road. It has been the most enjoyable gig. I've ever had it's been enjoyable because I like the work it's been enjoyable because being HBO you're among the very best. I will miss this very much, and I will miss them. But it's been a fantastic right for you. And I and of course, for all of those have been a part of it for many many years before us, and I just wanted to finish by saying HBO, boxing, maybe over, but it's legacy will endure for a long long time. And as ensures the case with you. I'm honored to have played a very very small part in it. Absolutely. Well, said so that brings us to the end, and it is the last HBO boxing podcasts, the two of us are doing together. But it's not the last HBO boxing podcast. That's coming next week. The. Fourth and final installment in my series of oral history style podcast previous episodes covered Hopkins. Vs. Trinidad I obey Bucci and med versus Kelly next week. It's Oscar de LA Hoya vs Fernando Vargas, so don't cancel your podcasts grip. Now,
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"Thought quite well also. Speaking of breaks, and you know, sure her calling for cyborg, perhaps it doesn't seem especially likely that shields and breaks will fight in the immediate future. There's there's the break a cyborg thing that she's working on shields, ugly headed toward a big fight with Christina hammer, and she and breaks are still two weight classes apart. But if it were to happen at one hundred fifty four pounds based on what you saw tonight. How would it play out? Yeah. I guess if we're looking at it as an actual possible matchup rather than one of those mythical pound for pound sort of match ups. Obviously, you know, a lot depends on how easy it would be for shields to get down to one fifty four and what that would do to her. If feels as if you know a lot of what makes her successful is clear Cecil's that is. Yes, he's impressive hands. Feeding. She's putting together some good combinations. But she has like a snap in power to her punch, and there's the physical intimidation to her in the ring. That is an important part of what she brings. And if she were to lose that if she would still, you know, go down to one fifty four still be able to throw combinations. But lose a lot of the snap and Boyd those punches lamb. I don't know how governments that up because a lot of those punches were landing. You could feel them ringside really good thudding punches. So if she were to lose that as a result of cutting that much weight, then you you've really Cecilia breakers. I think probably to be able to move out move and boxer because breakers does have I think probably the better silky skills out of the two of them. But if something close to the Clarisa Shiels that we saw last night was to get into the ring against Cecilia break. We saw last I think it'd be very intriguing because then it would be a question of whether breakers is movement and boxing would be enough to frustrate just the the raw energy as well as the power and combinations of questions. I think breakers would probably have a very very hard time with the Clarisa Shiels who was who we saw last night. If it was able to maintain that kind of standard that kind of strength that kind of power that kind of energy by going to one hundred and fifty four pounds. I says, but to Celia breakers thinks so too I'm figures that you know, in a risk reward scenario. It's better to go. Elsewhere, hence, the the enthusiasm for you know, the way she very rapidly dismissed fighting Clarisa shields next in interview and said label. So as you said, I suspect we shan't see or at least very soon, but I think it'd be very intriguing although on the one hand breakers to go back to your earlier point by a terrorist issues working with Trump at David Jackson on the one hand the risk factor might be diminished by breakers taking fight sooner rather than later because it does feel as if flourescence yields it's getting better ever increase the reward ratio as well to put it off a bit. But you know, that's why she's really go to thread the needle. If is ever going to happen because it does feel as if the rest is starting now to put those punches together well to put those companies together to turn over the punches properly and just give her a little bit more. And it feels as if she could be quite close to a complete package. So the T L D R. Suming assuming shields is able to maintain some kind of strength and energy. By cutting white and going down. Then I think it would be very difficult for her because breakers is on an entirely different level of anyone face before. But you just go to feel that aggression that energy that power that combination punching would give Clarisa Shiels the edge. I believe when it's on a podcast. The acronym is t- LDL guy that you go. Oh. But yeah, I agree with you. I think it's you know, it's a really good high class competitive fight right now, assuming shields can make one hundred fifty four without depleting herself as he said, and assuming that breaks doesn't put on bad week to get to one fifty four. I probably wouldn't have said this two days ago, but I favor shields. You know, and the listeners know that I'm not a big size guy. Most of the time skill is much more important than being five or ten pounds heavier. But this is a case where shields has pulled close enough to even on skill that, I probably favor her over breaks. But you brought up the timing. And that's what's on my mind. If I'm breaking I wanna make this fight ASAP. Be like Floyd locking up canal. Earl right? Yeah. It's a tough fight to call right now shield is only twenty three the exact age Cannella was when he fought Floyd who was thirty six by the way, a one year younger than break is now a year or two from now when Clarence twenty four twenty five and break pushing forty it might not be so competitive, so I don't know if this fight is going to happen. I don't know that it needs to happen. But if it is going to happen. I'd like to see it in twenty nine thousand nine rather than waiting any longer for it. So. Francisco Estrada got the only stoppage of the night, helping you get your hand raised in our final fight prediction disagreement. So congrats on that this this planned? This wasn't a notable opponent that he beat. But he looked good. And it was on HBO got a decent audience. Does this victory as a last minute replacement for chocolate PTO help springboard Estrada to a meaningful fight next year? Yeah. I think so I think to you know, to get to the playmate earlier he had to not just way. And I think it would have been very bad for him. If he just sort of slept walked his way to to twelve round win ee D needed to look better more engaged than he did against Philippi or to the last time around and he does have this habit. When I asked him about that I had to gauges performance consultant cooties. Well, that's what I do. I just start slowly and then gradually pick up the pace, and he seems to be quite comfortable without being the way that he fights. And that was the way that he fought as I said before I liked the kind of com- assassin like way he goes about it. He he looks sometimes like he's bored and there he so relaxed, but he did exactly what he had to do. Figured the guy out in the first round slowly started to crank up the pressure. Really good technically, I felt the way that he retreated just enough to have Mendez come to ward him. And then steps forward inside Mendez's point punches to counter him tremendous natural skill and experience there, and despite our real real craftsman's performance, I thought in the ring bear, and that's what he needed to do. He needed to go in and show that he can just be up these kind of guys and that he's better than these kind of guys and the people that he needs to be fighting are chocolate ITO, and in a rematch, and he was impressive enough that you would want to see in a rematch against chocolate towards risk cat. So I think it was absolutely jumped on Francisco Estrada. And obviously, there are broader considerations. Now, we'll have to see where all these different fighters. Wind up in terms of networks, and and everything else, but streaming all of those things fall into place. They don't know have a SuperFood. Franchise ready made to dislodge into swimming that they're able to do that. And that will the politics work than. Yes. Absolutely. I think has started that himself. No harm at all. He's always been in an around there when he has had the opportunity to get big fights. He's won them against everyone except those two and then he's been very close. He deserves another opportunity, and I think he kept himself in the discussion. Yeah. It's the cat rematch. That's particularly on mine. I mean their flight was one of the five best fights of the year in two thousand eighteen so I I would love to see that on some network in two thousand nineteen Estrada deserves it. He he's been in and out of the lower reaches of my pound for pound top ten. He's that good. And by the way, he carried one hundred twenty pounds nicely in this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he has some flexibility on what wait he can fight at to make a big fight next year. Okay. Deep breath. I think we are done talking about the fights. And that means we're literally done talking about the fights. There are no more HBO boxing matches to talk about at least for now the door has been left. Open a crack for a possible future pay per view of N. And who knows what could happen if the landscape of boxing changes a few years from now. But as of now, this is the end of a forty five year run in boxing HBO. And that means this is the final episode of the HBO boxing podcast that cured, and I will be hosting together. We started this podcast in March of two thousand fourteen shortly after ESPN had pulled the plug on and solo podcast, which I know all of yourself proclaim big fans out there. Heavy hitting boxing podcast isn't around anymore. So cure in and I we're both doing work for HBO at the time. And was suddenly available to podcast. I'd been pestering various editors there since about twenty ten about starting and HBO boxing podcast. And Michael Gluck stat deserves a lot of credit for taking a chance on this thing. When HBO wasn't in the podcast business at all. And starting up a podcast for boxing meant potentially rocking the boat a little but Gluck thought it was worth doing. He believed in the two of us. So huge thank you to him for making this possible. And for beyond just the podcast being a great editor to work with. And we're at war all these years and one more thing Gluck deserves credit for is putting us on radio row until about two weeks before may whether pack. Yeah, I had no expectation of being in Vegas for the fight. But then Gluck made that happen. He put us on radio row, and that became a great tradition for us in one of my favorite perks of this gig. We've done some memorable podcast interviewed plenty of noteworthy people over phone and Skype, but. It's the in person stuff on radio row with Roy Jones with Freddie Roach with J B smooth with Lennox Lewis on and on and on those are the memories that will stick with me. Not to mention the adventure of trying to find a quiet place in the arena every fight to live post-fight pots so lots of fun memories as the HBO boxing podcast took me all over the world. And by all over the world. I mean, mostly just Las Vegas occasionally New York in Atlantic City. Of course, none of it would have been as memorable or as enjoyable without a podcast partner that I enjoyed doing it with you knew this was coming here. And if I could force myself to say nice things about debt lawf- at the end of ring theory, you better believe I can muster something nice to say about you. But seriously, it has been a pleasure. It's been an easy partnership Rask in the mold of ETA. The chemistry was there from the start. Yeah, we agreed on our fight predictions. A little more often than was ideal. But doing a podcast or
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"This fits the HBO boxing podcasts. I am HBO boxing insider, Eric Raskin. And I am doing as always by my co host fellow HBO insider, Karen Mulvaney, and it was a tough Saturday night, a sad Saturday night, all in all not the best Saturday night of your life or my life. But one thing is for certain we both had a better Saturday night than max Kellerman. Did that was some crappy timing for a guy who speaks into a microphone for a living to have to lose his voice? It's my understanding that there were some celebrities at the fights in LA, including ROY sider who came up to max and said, you're going to need a better throat. See what I did there? Brought it all back around. How many years of you had that sucks away? At one point. I'm gonna come back, and I'm going to obliterate the embarrassment of my not knowing that line. I don't know that I a Blida rated anything with that. I'm I'm probably just amplifying the embarrassment. But you know, and I'm well aware, by the way that ROY Scheider isn't alive anymore. But you do what you have to do in service. Bad opening joke precisely full credit some actually showed up once showed up at the crew dinner and sat down and just like pointed at his throat and shrugs it just everyone was like that's perfect. It seems about right? Yep. Full credits. Him for soldiering on on. What was as you already alluded to an extraordinarily difficult and emotionally draining evening at the stubhub center in the tripleheader on HBO boxing after dark CD breaks out pointed Al exander, Mike Lopes Francisco Estrada stopped Victor Mendez caress, a shield dominated funky Herman's all of those individual performances were somewhat lost on a cold night and front of a small crowd by the broadening of. Active HBO, boxing, apparently taking its final bow after forty five years one thousand one hundred and nineteen fights we will talk about that in a bit. But first to the last professional, quote professional. We do our due diligence and give the boxes in the ring the credit that they deserve. So that's breakdown before we do anything else. That's the breakdown the evening as it unfolded inside the ropes, Eric. Yeah. We saw three dominant wins the victorious parties each arguably not losing around. It all went according to script with the winds for Clarisa shields. One Francisco Estrada and Cecilia breakup. Who impressed you the most of the three winners care in in other words who won the night? So I guess I mean as you said with with sort of entering this. Ev all three of the winners did while they had to buy all just need it to win and set themselves up for what comes next and move on. And I guess they all did that. Terresa shields. Getting up at and HBO wanted to win fairly impressively set herself up with a unification fight and she's done that Cecilia neither to look better than she did in HBO bell and cheated that. And promptly when straight for Chris cyborg clearly herself out for us sort of a, you know, m a boxing mash up there, which I suspect will go considerably better than the last big enemy boxing. Probably won't make as much money. No, David would be vastly vastly better evening. I hate to say that of the three probably wasn't sceviour because she was in the main event she won very comfortably. She may be lost one round entity will lost just one round in total of the thirty on the judges scorecards, and she did perform how she has. She showed up the first time around. But I think it probably wasn't Cecilia. I think is between of who winning the night. I think it is choice between Clarisa and Cisco Estrada who is really starting to grow on the law as a as a fighter e it's interesting. I've it's been a long time since I've seen somebody who's quite so remarkably calm in the ring as he slowly increases the pressure that he puts on his opponent. And this was a fight in which Astrada barely looked to be breakings Wes, and yet was gradually beating the brakes off of a very game. In front of him. And give them what they all had to do. And given you know Shiels and break basically just had to win in order to get themselves to what they need to do next the Strada as we talked about in the preview probably needed to do a little bit more than that. He didn't need to just win. He needed to win win impressively in order to sort of stake. His claim to be number one. A in an around that Superfly division in the absence of chocolate. Tito, and sister cat, and I think probably he did that. I think he had a bit more of a bar to clear an I think even though the first couple rounds were kind of quiet. That's what he did. So it's close for me between Cisco starting class. But if you ask me who won the night the winners. I'm just gonna go with Estrada. Okay. I I agree that it is close between those two relative to expectations for me personally. I would say Clarisa shields won the night because I'll admit I've been under. Twelve by her at times in her pro career prior to this. You'll recall we were at her pro debut ward Kovolev one off TV undercard, she struggled a bit that night, and in some of her fights since she's looked very raw, not not terribly school hall, in my opinion. I thought shields looked quicker slicker and more athletic against her Mons. Then she had before she was really snapping her mom's head around with the left hook. I think John David Jackson who she's only been with full time for a few fights. Now is making a difference taking expectations out of the equation Estrada might have won the night just for being so aesthetically pleasing even in a completely one sided fight, which this was Mendez. I think had a sparring partner mentality. He didn't see. Yeah. But even in a one sided fight stratas, a pleasure to watch. He so smooth and graceful there's an art to what he does. And how he fights and those compu- box numbers. What one? Shout out to Bob Kenobi. Oh and company copy box. Those numbers were stunning Estrada. Outlandish Mendez two hundred twenty five to sixty seven and percentage wise. It was thirty seven percent to just twelve percent. And what does it say about how good the winners looked in those fights that Cecilia breaks who box beautifully and one nine or ten rounds? Didn't get much consideration for either of us for winning the night. But she obviously thought
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"HBO was synonymous with the best of boxing in. America. I I suppose I should save a little something for next week. But, but that's how I view HBO boxing's legacy. Yeah. My nose is very similar. I mean, if I would try of summit the legacy in a couple of words, it would be production values. I mean just this year quality of the production. You would turn on HBO. And it would look great the whole it would this feeling of a big event right through the screen, wouldn't it? Everything the way it looked wait was filmed to see mention the quality the commentary. Yeah. HBO was the pinnacle of the boxing broadcasting business. You know to be fighting on HBO was to have made it to reach the biggest of the big times. Nothing else came close for so long in terms of glamour, insignificance and. Yeah. Before HBO, the truly big bites could be massive events that Frank Sinatra covering site photographer, the first, you know, Frazier, of course, but what did I think was make? Vice that weren fights of the century feel like truly big and exciting events on a consistent basis that you know, maybe hadn't come a long before, you know. It it made them feel like big events. Not just through the production values at brought by simply bestowing. It's imprinted. You're on them. You know, sure that we're downsides. You could argue, and it has been argued that the migration of big fights premium cable, remove them from the masses. Right, and maybe help maybe contributed to the decline of popularity for the sport in the US, but could easily make the case that was a symptom that stepped in and gave glamour and credibility to a sport. At the time where everybody else was running away from it. So. You know, that's a discussion that unshowable go back and forth for low these many years boxing. Of course, we'll go on. And indeed is already moving on is going to be very hard. I'm sure like you. I'm sure like a lot of people af spent a lot of time going through YouTube videos deliberately to look at fights. And also, it's just very hard to look at YouTube videos off great bites and it not being HBO fights. And it's just really hard to for a long time. It's gonna be hard to look at some of these great nights. And here Jim Lampley, Barry Tompkins or maximum Larry merchant or Ray Leonard Lennox Lewis, Roy Jones or Andre ward or George Foreman or blessed Manny, steward and just not feel a real tug of of melancholy, and thus Talia as we look back at what's been a really significant era, though, the boxing business. Yeah. All right. Let's let's cut that conversation off there before one of us gets little weepy. Let's move onto prediction time. And I'll go first with my predictions for all. Three fights. And then as is HBO boxing podcast tradition. Cure three with every single one of my picks. And we say that somewhat in jest. But also, I it's likely to be true with this card because there is such a clear Eisai in each fight. I'm taking Clarisa. Shields by decision over fem key Herman's, probably somewhere between ninety eight ninety two and one hundred ninety in other words, a Clarisa. Shields fight in the second fight of the evening. I think Victor Mendez is a solid fighter. But he essentially beats the journeymen and club fighters and loses to the world class guys. And Estrada is certainly that. The question is whether Estrada can stop him. And I'm going to say, no, I think we're getting a lot of rounds on Saturday night. So I'm saying one sided points win for Astrada. And then in the main event breaks clearly a couple of notches above her opponent. But Cecilia is not a big puncher. I see another distance fight. And I predict that we will see Clarisa shields in the ring calling break us out after it's over. So I'm taking all. Three on points. And the fight of the night is Raskin versus his narcolepsy. If they do all go the distance. I'm really going to be put to the test. We have a mild disagreement, which by our standards is a stop the presses kind of deal. I've got all kinds of different orders here. I'm gonna go first with the the main. The two women's fights. For spray has nine Cao's and thirty four wins. Magsi? Lopez has one and eighteen. Yeah. This one's going to distance and like yourself fully expect prices to emerge victorious, Mike. Lopez clearly no mug on those occasions that you asked up a bit she's fallen just short, and I do expect that trend to continue as breaks Wednesday, comfortable unanimous decision and similarly in the opening by we talked earlier bike shields lack of knockouts, but she Herman's actually have half as many stoppages combined five even just sixteen wins together as breaks amac. Lopez have in fifty two, but I also see this going the distance shields pervading perhaps sharing a bit of the focus that it looked like she didn't quite have going into last flight when she allowed us to get dropped before he came back and won quite comfortably. And I am going with the side and the co main as well, but not this time by distance Mendez has never been stopped. But side of a young Louis nary. He's he's never faced opposition remote. Oatley of the caliber of Estrada of and and as we mentioned the top in. No, even though this is a a last minute call to be on this card for he'd already been training. He was already ready for a fight. He's gonna come into this in good shape. And I think this time he is probably going to try and seize the opportunity that chocolate ITO has given him a little bit better. I'm going to pick him to be more aggressive time out and to really take advantage of the exposure. I'm get a late eight nine thousand stoppage not necessarily a clear Nakai, but just the final, you know, maybe the corner steps in the referee steps in the punishment. Just eventually becomes too much. They you have it a cataclysmic difference of by three rounds between Eric and myself. Yeah, you really I take it up there. I'll say. Well, that will do it for this edition of the HBO boxing podcast. We will be back next week with not my final HBO boxing podcast, but Kieron's final Awa boxing podcast, the final regular edition of the pod as we discuss everything that goes down in the ring Saturday at stubhub until then thanks as always for listening. I'm Eric Raskin. And i'm.
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"My suspicion is that. At least in in the hardcore fans receptivity for seeing these fights. Sometimes exceeded the awareness of programmers and matchmakers promoters. Boxing. Just wanna see good fights and good fighters. Whatever this whatever their gender. I think you know, Michael Carbajal and Chiquita Gonzalez beaten holy hell out of each other. What twenty five years ago now for pretty darn good purses? Wasn't that long after that that Christy Martin undersea Reicher had some attention? And then Lali after that. I think the problem to some extent with the very small whites. I'm pops most significant women's boxing has been a depth of the talent pool. We just want to earlier, you know, so that been waves of an Epsom flows. They'll be a star will come along and an attractive. Sort of tent pole if you will love awake class or in the women's division, and you know, and there'll be some interest in that. But then you realize the lack of good opposition for them and that kind of their by themselves a little bit. And as a result in you know, in interest miniatures little bit and we move on. Again. I think the big difference now and going forward, particularly is thought the change in the way, the boxing media is going to be consumed always already being consumed, and it's going to be consumed over the coming years means that fines are increasingly able to see entire cards. Right. Not just two or three fights big cars and Vegas and New York wherever and his opera type of during. So you know, you combine that with social media, you've got plenty of people watching undercard streams and discussing them in real time on social media. And what that means is if you're lighter white fight or a female fighter there. More opportunities for to see you and become familiar with you on the way up which increases the likelihood if you and if you have a fine friendly style. A good media presence and good opponents of making your way up the card and increasing that audience, so yeah, I think we are probably going to see a lot more of both. And, you know, initially on the under cards, and the going to have that much more of an opportunity as well to you know, to the way up to the main cars on the other factor that, you know, plays into some of this on the women's side is that women's boxing in the Olympics, which is certainly going to help the development of talent and rivalries. It's going to increase skill level is going to expose female fighters to the audience, even before they turn pro Katie Taylor already had already made offering following when she turned pro so diplomatic shields. And I think that seems likely only to improve I guess, yeah. I think that's really the key thing that I focus on here. Looking at this is how attitudes toward women's boxing are changing or have changed, you know, not universally. Of course, there are still some people you talk to her very stuck in their ways of all. I don't wanna see women hit each other. But. Whereas once it was a sideshow providing four rounders on under cards as a change of pace. Now as you said, thanks to the the Olympics. The rise of amateur women's boxing, the fights and fighters are taken more seriously and there's real skill at the top. So you know, boxing, doesn't have its Rhonda Rowzee yet. But I do think the possibility of women headlining major cards in the years ahead is strong. Yeah. You know, you mentioned on device. It makes me think you know, we talked about this already. Of course, in a way is probably helped because for whatever reason Emma may funds became more rapidly happy with the idea of watching women fighters in the octagon, and perhaps just kind of just helps inject into the bloodstream the fact that it's okay to to you know, to be watching women fighters, maybe that maybe is help crossover into boxing little bit. Point. All right. There's one other massive story line here. We've been tiptoeing around the proverbial elephants in the room for the last couple of months, we can ignore. It's trumpeting no longer. Yes. As we've mentioned a couple of times already on this podcast, this Saturday's card is least presently scheduled the final HBO boxing card ever after forty five years. And by the time, we got off the air one thousand one hundred nineteen televised by next week when we review this card. We will also take the opportunity to back of HBO boxing, and our being part of it has meant to us personally. But before we ever worked, very HBO, Eric we will boxing reporters, and before that we will fans and for both of us and many many others HBO was a huge part of the boxing on scape for decades now. And as we near the end, I'm curious what stands out to you from the last forty five years. Really what you think HBO's legacy will prove to be in the sport. What stands out to me simple as it? Sounds. Is all the great fights and fighters, and those things don't entirely go hand in hand having great fighters doesn't always get you. Great fights. There have certainly been moments in history when they were so determined to have the best fighters on their air that the matchup sometimes suffered, but you can hardly name an elite pound for pound fighter from the past three or four decades who didn't compete on HBO and to list all of the great fights would take an hour. And when you combine that with the production values, and what Jim Lampley voice means to those of us who fell in love with boxing sometime in the eighties or nineties or two thousands. The HBO boxing legacy to me is one of just astounding class. This is not a knock on any other network that has televised boxing in my twenty one years on the beat but hearing the HBO boxing music and hearing Lampley voice at the start of the show just stirred up a certain excitement and signalled a certain level of class and nothing lasts forever as we've been reminded. But I think when a little time passes HBO's boxing legacy will be that. It was the number one boxing network for a damn longtime. Yeah. And it gave us the best fighters. The best fights, great, boxing documentaries. Twenty four seven legendary nights. It's all part of this package. Wherefore not just a generation, but a few generations HBO
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"And who's being sold as a potential next big thing. So all things considered. This was maybe like a B plus performance to me taking into account both curves that were grading him on. But yeah, that was my assessment of it. Now, it'll. Probably be a few fights before Dali of really steps up the opposition significantly. But from this fight. Did you see anything that gives you confidence or worry about what will happen when he gets to facing top guys? Yeah. Nothing really in terms of Warri. I mean to be fair lots total some of what I've seen the guy. So. So I have a very limited sample size. But like, I said, you know, based on I like is aggression like his body attack his balance, maybe I would've liked to have seen him stop the guy earlier. But as you said, you know, a take an exceptional chin on also like you said, you do your great great a guy like this on on on a curve. And if you'd had twenty four pro fights rather than four going into this. I might think I don't know he, you know, does he necessarily have that killer? Instinct, does he have everything that it takes that kind of level? But he has only had four professional fights going into this last one. So. I certainly see more reasons for optimism rather than pessimism. Like, you said there are rough edges that can be sanded down and improved on. But I really like not justify that. He clearly has a natural skill. Also, really liked his attitude. I liked his commitment. And he's got a terrific trainer. Obviously. He's going to know get the best out of him. So. Yeah. He kinda he kinda looks a little he kind of east got that rolls. Royce kind of look about him doesn't he? Very interesting to see how far he goes. But he feels like he's probably a real blue chip prospect to me, there's one thing that does concern me. And it's the way that he lunges in. I think he needs to work on that a little, and maybe that's something he was doing because he knows he's in with a guy who -scribed to knock outs in his whole career. So he can get away with lunging in. But if he keeps that up he could get d'artagnan if he faces deny that's the sort of thing that I would like to see him improve upon as he steps up against more dangerous guys as a little wide with with some of his punches, which I mentioned when we previewed the card last week. But in terms of stuff to feel good about. The aggression to the body is notable and will probably serve him very well in championship level fights. I don't know. I I hate to cop out here. But it's way too soon after five fights to to say if this guy is or isn't a future champ. I do wanna see him again, though. I wanna see the next few steps in the progression. He does have a certain captivating quality at this point. I don't know if he'll be a great fighter, but just like evil at a similar stage in his career. He has me intrigued which was really the point of getting this fight on HBO. Yeah. He did. He got handed a real opportunity an opportunity that guy with full pro fights doesn't only get and he he made the most of it. He went there. And he was entertaining. And he was aggressive, and he has you wanting to see more of and that's basically what you wanna do when you're a guy at the start of your career getting an opportunity on HBO. So. Yeah. All right. Well, that brings us to the end of this post fight edition of the. HBO boxing podcast. Just one more fight card to go this year, and we will be back next week to preview it, and you'd better believe we will bring our full podcasting toolboxes until then we thank you as always for listening. I'm Eric Raskin. I'm curious.
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"This is the HBO boxing podcasts. I am each meal box inside of Raskin, and I am joined as always by my co host fellow HBO boxing insider, Karen Mulvaney, and we're here to do a post fight pod. And I'll just be honest off the top. It wasn't a thrilling card. These weren't the most competitive fights. But early in the seventh round of the opening fight between more John Akhmadov and ISAACs are regimes dropped the word toolbox and assess how will accommodate of toolbox was and that's all I needed night was a win for boxing fans on the basis of those five seconds of commentary alone. I'm sure you'd agree here. And the only thing that was missing was in the background going. Right. Right. Right. I was I was picturing you on your couch doing that though not into a microphone, but still doing it. Right. I do that generally. And then I'm watching TV, but I'm not. So this little take of mine, but they go. Yes. So. Oh, that's out of night HBO world championship boxing from Atlantic City. And for the second time in a row, we stored Mitri evil fight at the hard rock hotel and casino on the boardwalk there in Atlantic City for the second time in a row he took on a former sort of Geico villa opponent Amphion second time in a row. He was taken the distance. He scored a clear comfortable F as Eric said, not entirely scintillating unanimous decision when over former lineal world light heavyweight champion, PASCAL. And in the co main as I recall, some engined, we our first glimpse on HBO of the now five former Olympian Magellan Ahkmadov who scored a ninth round stoppage of tough and game to have to go together. They do it's mandatory you can't be tough and not game or game and not tough, exactly. He's accelere. We will talk about that shortly. But Eric Bill was the star of the show. He was the headline for the first time. How do we think he did bit of a mixed bag? You know, we had all barely losing around again. But going the full twelve again, the crowd that they drew in Atlantic City was not great three thousand eight hundred fifty three was the announced paid attendance. There were some scattered boos for evil by the end. If the goal was to continue to build evil into a star both in Atlantic City and for the boxing fans watching at home while getting a former champs name on his record. What do you think you're in was this night, more success or failure? Yeah. I mean, not for the first time certainly the second in a row. One could almost the third time in a row, we've sort of haven't we a little bit uncertain whether the glasses half empty or half full. Last time I say, marina. He won clearly against the cagey veteran former world title challenger. It was a little bit underwhelming, but he could be forgiven the last time around 'cause there was a huge difference in professional experience. And I think Calamba we beat last time. It was renowned for being tough to look good against. But this fell a little bit different to me, partly because it was the second time in a row that he's been taken twelve rounds. And also because it's the second time in a row that he rarely if ever really looked like ending it inside the distance, you mentioned the crowd and the crowd just felt subdued all the way through we talked last week, and you asked how much harder it would be would be Volta gain real traction with fans without having the opportunity to take on Sergei cove eleven and be taking on Sergei Kovalev had initially been the plan for Saturday night, of course, as we discussed, and and you could make the case that Saturday night show, just how much harder mandate proved to be the crowd didn't seem excited to see. Face pascal. They didn't seem excited about the fight unfold against PASCAL the way it did. I think people may be in danger of losing a tiny little bit of momentum. Now, even though for the last three fights he's faced off against really good, really experienced opposition. I if there's a glass half full scenario to be had here. There's a case to be made in. I think I'm out of us this comparison before perhaps after his last fight that he might be an somewhat similar spot to the one that looks to USA found himself in a few fights ago, you know, after knocking over opponents early on then he took a step up an opposition. And he was forced to use his boxing skills and looked at it will bit less spectacular and some of the sheen came off him. But then he sort of used that experience to step up another level and look at look at him now. And maybe that's where all is gonna prove to be that he's just going. He's plateauing as he moves up a level and moves up yet another level. He'll he'll take it up. And those max talked about that last night that maybe he just needs to be up against a really good guy to look really good. The problem that we have at the moment with all is that he doesn't have that compelling charisma, which we also talked about it last week something a little bit missing. He's he's very very good. He's very skilled. But you almost wonder if he's going to turn out to be one of those guys who's going to be more appreciated than loved right, or we might just be seeing actual consequence of young man learning his trade against and experienced opposition. I'm not sure, but I do think there's no real question that twenty eighteen didn't quite end the way that main events like would have liked it to have done roar, either of their main light heavyweights, right? The comparison unless I'm sort of forgetting something sick never put together. Two in a row that left us feeling be right. And so if I'm correct about that that that would be a significant difference here, and the fact that it was the second of this type of might this type of result in a row is why I think I lean more toward the night being a bit more of a failure than success might be getting the win. You know, a win is a win is a win in the big picture when his career is over. I can't imagine people looking back at this fight as any kind of negative. That hurt his legacy or anything like that? Just in the moment. Coming off a dull methodical drama free points win over Chilanga. I really felt like he needed something different so too dull methodical drama free points wins in a row is a problem. Not a devastating problem. But a problem just the same, you know, two fights ago. I would have had be all on my short list of Musi up in commerce. And so I was pumped for the Limbaugh fight. Even though I figured it was a mismatch. I was pumped just to see all in action. Now, not feeling so pumped anymore, and he fought well, I only gave PASCAL one round evil was perfectly dominant. And he tried to get past Kyle out of there. It's not like he was just coasting, but befall is no longer at that point. Where if he's fighting. I'm telling all my friends. Hey, tune in watch this guy. He's something special. He needs to do something to recapture the momentum because as an attraction, I feel. He's lost the momentum. Yeah. So so let's zoom in on. Evils inability to end this fight inside the distance. We know PASCAL is tough to knock out only. Sergei Kovalev has done. It was this more about PASCAL being a great veteran survival artists or be
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"Power is he threat to Sealy Loma chanko. Well, for to take the I Pat I there is period particularly last year when we were praising one hundred and thirty pound division and all the different matchups that could be made in a lot of them were made. And they still a good one that I wouldn't mind seeing before it's all said and done assuming he gets past Mickey Rome, I would not mind seeing Berta Machado against Miguel. I think that'd be a cracking fight. I would really enjoy seeing that. But is going to bring the precious to auto Machado again is going to be able to use that that lanky and that power to keep her off of him. I would watch the heck out of that fight. And I think is very could. Well, be doable. So. So that I'd certainly like to see. And it's just the unfortunate thing is once you start talking about vicinity Lama Janko. It's just it's just a whole different discussion. Right. I mean, it really is a whole different discussion. I think Machado with that size. Colm probably make Lama Janko have to work pretty hard. Any any has accuracy? But we've also seen at times Machado sort of being a position where he's doing well against the Ponant. And then it just kind of turns off, and then he sort of goes back Aguirre. And and so was certain that he has gone past that tendency to blow hot and cold during a fight. You don't really wanna put him in with a guy like Lama Janko? I. It's very tough for anybody to really bring anything that's gonna give Janko any difficulties if a mess, you're, you know, hundred sixty pounds, but. It's a tough ask. I like Machado. I like Machado a lot. I don't know how many problems could cause city Janko, and that's a commentary on Lama chanko more than on Machado. Yeah. It certainly is. I mean Lunka is the best in the world. Sorry to those who have it wrong and ranked Terence Crawford above him. Terence Crawford is is a is a clear and very strong number two in my book. But limit Sankoh is the best right now. And so while Machado has the punching power that you can't count him out these dangerous against anyone even Loma Janko. He'd be such a huge underdog in that fight. I don't know that you know, obviously, if you get a fight offered like that and the money is right. Maybe go for it. But I don't think it makes the most sense in terms of his career progression right now. And I'm not dying to see him go up pounds. You know, considering that there are good fights for imaging your lightweight, including the one you pointed out that would be tops on my list to really whoever wins gel and Rome would be funny Machado, but we certainly see Scheldt as the favourite there and that being the more marketable matchup, but you know, Machado against Francisco Vargas, if if he's getting back in the groove Machado against your vantage. Davis would be very interesting lots of options here for your man crush Miguel Koto in terms of where to go next with Machado, by the way, very quick aside. The little seen played I in the back of the room. The is just shows one of the really great things by boxing because obviously Miguel was there and he was actually smiling in the ring. They was such a good performance from Charro. He was hanging out in the back. Zab Judah was in the house and Koto saw Judah Beckenham over and the two got together and hugged best buddies catching up just one of the things I love by boxing. You can beat the hell out of each other. And when it's done and dusted that down the road, you can you can hug it out like your best buddies. I just thought it was really cool. I love seeing that when that happens. Yeah. That's awesome guild and fire any low blows while they were hugging. I saw. Okay. Not that the refs I either. I guess all right, wrapping up. Let's talk about the show opener. Ten round women's featherweight rematch between Heather hardy, and Shelly Vincent as you said at the top of the show hardy one in fairly one sided fashion. I had it ninety eight ninety two the judges had it ninety seven ninety three ninety seven ninety three and ninety nine ninety one. It was definitely less competitive than the first fight. And while it was never boring. It was certainly less exciting than their first fight back in twenty sixteen. So did Vincent get old at age thirty nine or did hearty just do a better job of using her length this time? Yeah. I had it ninety ninety one as well. And I just honestly I was a bit baffled as to how the I had been so competitive because hardy just to have so many more skills, and so many more options available to her and and just seems to be legit professional boxer in there. Whereas. Vinson just appear to be very determined and very strong, and very very willing slugger hearty just a completely different level to me which made it interesting that I had been significant. Maybe she just learned maybe maybe she done. Well, okay. Boy, I've got gotta just keep moving a lot more. Because once you stand in trade with this with this woman, then that's when she's going to grind you down. And and I thought hardy did a very nice job with some of her her movement in their quite happy to just like not only break away. But just walk around partway round the ring and reset and just not get give Vincent the opportunity to do what you seem to be the only thing that you could do just come bright adder face. I so I thought it was a good performance around by already who just appeared to me to be on a completely different level. And also a tremendously gutsy performance that was a nasty Cup from that headbutt had nasty headbutt. Bam. Afraid really nicely cut which Richard cornered into patch up very rapidly and very well. The both of them really showing some some real guts and determination in, but I just had already was just on a different level. Yeah. Watching this fight. It makes me go back and suspect that the fight coming together on short notice last time offended Hardee's conditioning and her game plan, and she stood still more. And this time she was able to fight what was her best possible strategic fight. She did good work to the body. She used her length very well. She dropped in right hands beautifully. And as you said, she coped very admirably with two cuts caused by head clashes. I wouldn't take anything away from Vincent. I don't think that she got old necessarily. I think hardy was just able to show this time around that she's a higher class fighter. She has more boxing skills, and she was able to prevent Vincent from fighting her fight so good for their hardy. She got the big televised audience. She was looking for and she what she can do to hope. Alie better payday awaits for her. Spear bucks in podcast, the parents onto her bell. Everything's coming up there hardy right now, they go. All right. And that brings us to the end of this post-fight edition of the HBO boxing podcast. We shall return, although it will likely be a few weeks. The plan is to mostly stick to preview. Pods and fight pods. The rest of the year. Which would mean you'll hear from us again thanksgiving week as we preview the card headlined by Dmitry beavers, John PASCAL until then we thank you as always for listening. I'm Eric Raskin on. On.
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"This is the HBO boxing. I may be boxing insider, Eric Raskin, and I'm going that's only by my co host fellow HBO boxing, insider, Kieran Mulvaney and this past Thursday night. Assorted members of the inside HBO boxing team gathered at Jimmy's corner and time square for drinks. I was there Kieran was there. Therefore, I have a witness to what I'm about to say I drank two beers to Sam Adams lagers, despite my reputation for enjoying fruity cocktails with umbrellas in them. I approve that. I can pretend to be a manly man when the circumstances. Call for it. Karen, tell the people tell them, it's true. I drank lagers like a man and all of our listeners should be proud of me when he drank loggers. I did have the pinky sticking out. Did now that I think about it. But I'm here's the other thing, which is a great deal of credit, you stayed up very late. I did until until about midnight on a school night. No, less heavens, the Murgatroyd, and I had a thick beard, really really one of the more masculine all around performances of my life. Well, you go that's says a law, I suppose, so. Well, I'm just a couple of days after Jimmy's corner Madison Square Garden or either the Hulu theater at Madison Square Garden HBO world championship boxing returned with a tripleheader that provided a variety of different outcomes in the opening bout had the hardy defeated Shelley Vincent once again. And I remember that twenty six thousand five whereas I was kind of exciting and was close majority decision. Heather hardy really with much too much for shut evens in this. I'm in a comfortable decision winner. This time around if you've got up off your to go to the kitchen and get a beer from the fridge at the beginning of Berta Machado's fight with Ron Evans. You probably missed the whole thing Machado, dropping Evans three times and stopping him inside the very first round of that co main event the main event though when the whole distance for the third fight in a row Daniel Jacobs having to go the distance to get a victory, but this is a really good tough heart fort win a split. Decision victory over a resilient and very skillful sort of guide their Evian Djenka. Yeah. It was a high quality fight in the main event we talked a bit on our pre-fight podcast about there being benefits for Jacobs to not just winning. But looking good maybe scoring a knockout something he hasn't done in a little over two years. But alas as you said Daniel went the distance just as he did against Louis areas and much Celeski, but this was against a respected opponent. And it was a fun fight. So despite failing to get the knockout think Jacobs elevated his stock and his chances of landing major fight next year. I because neither of those last two against ESO. Lent. Ski were particularly exciting affairs. That wasn't old Jacobs vol, especially RS fight. But it definitely took some of the shine. I think off him as as an attraction he'd regained his close last night. He off Kim. But this was an exciting fight is we talked about this no need for any revision. Here we talked to by soda Dharavi Ingenico are pretty fight podcast being dangerous foe, and he proved to be very much dangerous. Oh, he was an undefeated dangerous foe before Saturday night. And I thought that Jacob showed a tremendous combination of some beautiful ring ships and fantastic defense. His defense at times is absolutely magnificent in there and boxing skill. And then when necessary just flat out throwing it down with his opponent. You have pretty much everything. And I thought it really sort of a underlined again the fight. The Daniel Jacobs is one of the better middleweights in the world. I thought it was a really good solid performance that he can be very happy. With. Yeah. Good. Good and solid. Those are the sort of words, I would ascribe to it as well. His stock certainly went up if only incrementally. It was an all around positive night. Nothing spectacular wasn't a case of you know, if he wasn't in your pound for pound top ten before this shirt shouldn't be in it now off of this fight. But it was a good professional performance a fun enough fight to watch. If not quite a fight that I would slap the great label on, but it was just a notch below that. And maybe when all said and done away. It was the best possible scenario for his chances of landing a huge fight that you wanna look good. But not too good. Jacob certainly, you know, kept his name out there. Stayed active help to stock a little mission accomplished all around. And by the way, we've seen some really high quality middleweight action in the last couple of months. Yeah. Plain old damn good fighters at the top of this division.
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"Three just days after his fight with Jacobs. If you lose. His he doesn't really lose much status in the broader boxing world, unless he loses badly simply because he doesn't have much status right now in the broader world to begin with. But can he afford to go to the back of the line at his age and without a big fan base behind him? Their opportunities out there in the middleweight division right now and like Jacobs. This is Debbie Schenker's moment. He has to seize it while he can. Yeah. Absolutely. I guess on the one hand, you know, taking that point few people cite the hardcore, and I would cite the industry really really know who Django is one hundred say that that means there's no real pressure on him. And the know as he said, if he loses his status doesn't particularly change because he doesn't have a status, but theoretically, it's all upside for him, and certainly, you know, the equations tilted much more in the direction for him than it is for Jacobs. Right. Who just as we said really just falls completely out of the reckoning and has much more. To lose. But as you noted Chang is about to turn thirty three. And even though it seems that you know, you see this a lot particularly with some of these eastern central European fighters who as you noted turning pro bit later after an extensive amateur background and maybe carrying on into the thirties. Thirty-three still thirty three an even if he doesn't have a lot of professional rounds on his dominant. So maybe he can keep going awhile. You just never know. You just never know when the bodies just suddenly going to stop responding as well, the middleweight rank so well populated right now, and you mentioned some of the names early when we're talking about Daniel Jacobs. And while that does mean there plenty of lucrative matchups awaiting him, whatever happens. And I think that certainly the case it does mean that if he loses he'd get to the back of a long untalented line for one of the biggest opportunities so time we said is not necessarily on his side. So this really is an opportunity that needs to seize. Yeah. It's one easy. He's been waiting for. They've been pushing for a big fight for the last year or two now, he's. Getting it. He's he's gotta make the most of it. I'm -solutely. Let's have a look the story line for this. And it's a good actually, look we often hear boxes emphasize that this is business not personal. Although there are exceptions. When the contest is done by and large. We see combatants returning to being civil toward each other. Even if not always friends we talked about the way in which can canal after everything that went between them gave each other a legitimately respectful hug at the end of their rematch. The other. You know, and it's a pretty small world books world. So the chances are that box will know each other these casually before they ever get in the ring before it's even mooted for them to get in the ring. It's the same trainers. They may cross paths on different occasions may work with the same fighters at different times. They may see each other in the same Jim that use each other guys sparring partners. And of course, they'll get used to each other and being opposite corners, but this is a special case went to Revie Janko came to the United States elected to base himself out of New York. He was introduced to Andre brassiere, and Gary stark and Rosiere and stark trained fighters together out of small basement, Jim in Brooklyn, and it really is a small baseman Jim in Brooklyn, by the way, it is a basement where they ring and some maybe in it's a great a great little gym. And among those who had long been a member of that camp was one Daniel Jacobs. So by Jacobs telling he instead of Janko aren't exactly friends, but well, they certainly know each other, and they know each other in that way that only box. Can really know. Each other Jacob says they've sparked probably three hundred plus rounds arounds, and as they both moved up the middleweight rankings. They knew that they may come and they had to face each other. And when it did become a part of that was coming. They had decisions to make rosier electing to stick with Jacobson's known since the box. It was fourteen stark will work the corner of Revie and chanko on the road to show presently available on HBO now and on demand. Rosie reveals that he and start speak every day. Even though they're in opposing camps for this particular when he speaks with Revie and Chen, can we says man, you know, I don't like this, right? Look when the bell rings it will be business, but it's a really intriguing situation, and Eric I'm wondering if you've come across a similar similar situation. Like this before they must have happened. And how do you think it'll affect the fi if it will affect the fight at all, well, certainly better friends than these two who as you said, they're friendly, they're acquaintances their work associates in a way, they're not exactly friends. It's really the relationship between the trainers that runs much deeper, but better friends than these two have fought the first example that comes to mind is Simon Brown and MAURICE blocker who were said to be best friends Brown was the best man at blockers wedding. And they fought each other. And it was savage a great fight neither held back. And then there's a historic one Joe Louis giving his friend John Henry Lewis a payday when he badly needed one and heavyweight title shot and knocking him out in the first round getting getting the pain over with quickly. And easily situations. More like this leaving the trainers out of it. But just the situation of these two guys have sparring history. Together, they aren't really tight friends that happens all the time that sparring partners fight each other and often when two guys have sparked a lot of rounds together in this case possibly more than three hundred that is a lot but often that means they know each others moves there's a lot of cat and mouse a lot of anticipating what's to come. And as a result, not always a lot of action. It's not an unwillingness to hurt each other because they're friends, but there can be a reluctance to commit a wariness. So that's something to be concerned about here as a fan. Sometimes you get a bit of a chess match if you know, exactly what the other guy can do. And you're anticipating that he knows all of your moves. But I don't see these guys taking it easy on each other. There's too much at stake. Here would you agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean us less immortals. I think it's it's difficult for us sometimes to wrap our heads around the ability of boxes, and those involves invites to sort of shut external distractions. I mean, I don't know anyone at Gomez fighting on ESPN on Thursday night. And that was just four days after his dad died, and he just went in there and did it and very emotional for him an allegiance shift all the time. Like, you said folks in the business just deal with it. I agree with you. I don't think Jacobs driven chanko have any problems. I think Jacobsen Peter Quinn. Pretty good buddies. Right. And we also happen when those to bring together. Jarrell miller. Mirer a friend of Thomas Domic so much. So that he went to Domic's room and cried and apologize splattering him inside two rounds the other week, but that didn't stop him splattering him in sightsee round, right? Like you said. Yeah. The train as well. Look it'll be tough for them beforehand. I'm sure they thinking about it now, and that'll be relieved afterward when it's over. And both guys will be hoping that neither fighter gets hurt. But during the fight they'll be focused on the guy in their corner. They'll be focused on that one minute between rounds they'll be looking at their die. And yet I made here also is one that you just touched on that. I think we'll probably talk about later as we examine the fight. The big difference is exactly that going to be the fighters. Familiarity with each other and how it's going to affect the
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"This is the B O boxing podcasts. I'm boxing insider aircraft and joined as always by my co host fellow HBO boxing inside. Karen, Mulvaney, and Karen, I just like to congratulate you on your new three hundred sixty five million dollar contract making you the highest paid podcast or in the world. Oh, wait. I'm seeing I have the decimal point in the wrong place. Well, congratulations on your new three dollar and sixty five cent contract. Well deserved, sir. That's actually just an expense claim is that what it is. Yeah. That's all it was it was parking. Like life minutes. It was going to say pretty cheap parking. But okay. Five minutes accents. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Moving on HBO world's championship. Boxing returns this Saturday, October twenty seventh from the Hulu theater at the mecca of boxing medicine Square Garden in New York, New York, did you know that that is such a good place that aimed at twice I've heard that. And I can see the proof in front of me with the New York right after it. So your story your story holds up right thought spreading the news by that the tripleheader kicks off at ten pm eastern and Pacific the first fighters into the ring and on the broadcast will be Heather hearty and shed events in a rematch of their 2016 Coney island's slobber knocker next up one hundred thirty pound contender and Koto protege Albert Machado takes on one del Evans, and we will take brief look at both of those votes later on in the podcast, but I the main event which sees. Turn to HBO of Daniel the miracle man Jacobs as he contests middleweight strap against undefeated Ukrainian Sergei have in chanko, and we begin as always by asking what is at stake for our two main event fighters for Dinah Jacob's victory is essential. If he is to stay in the running the front of the middleweight, and perhaps given recent developments supermiddleweight pack, eighteen months or so ago, he ended Gandhi glove KO streak and tremendous performance at the garden that won him a multitude of admirers even in close to fee, and seemingly positioned him at least for while there as the divisions number two behind glove, can but since then triple g has gone one one and won a knockout von Rosen sandwiched between a draw and a defeat against canal Alvarez now, you can argue that gloved can could easily and perhaps should have gone three. No rather than one during that spell. But the point is that canal showed Jacobs wasn't the only one who could both take glove confess shots and also. Also, give plenty back and on the back of those outings Cannella has now signed a deal that is worth. I believe Eric approximately eleven trillion dollars. That's pretty much it, right? Yeah. So again, that's not sure about the decimal point, exactly. But something like that. And in the process seemingly banished the controversy that followed him like a sulfur cloud for much of twenty team, and he and trenched himself firmly. Canelo. As the biggest star at least in the Anthony Joshua division in the boxing firmament Jacobs. Meanwhile, since that Gulf can fight has won twice, but you kind of ma- in outings against Louis areas and much and ski. So if he wins on Saturday, and particularly if he wins big he could be back in the captured see political promotional broadcasting considerations and lining up perfectly for him to face off against Canelo. In may if others dispenses with rocky fielding in December. But to really state his case only needs to win. I think but to look good doing so and if he loses it's going to be hard to escape the conclusion, the he had an opportunity the door was open for him. A now it shot. A maybe that chance is gone. Absolutely. Losing. This fight takes Jacob's out of the con. Station at the top of the division out of the running for a canal. Oh, fight or a glove rematch or really anything bigger than a derivation chanko level fight for the next year or so you can always rebuild and come back. But for now, it would be gone. I think it's debatable. How good he needs to look in winning though on the one hand. Yeah. He's coming off two straight math victories as you said. And nobody's interested in the excuses. Even though the excuses are valid areas mostly came to survive and see let's is a very good fighter. But people don't really think in those terms. If Jacobs wins over the distance here doesn't look great. They'll just remember that it's three straight decisions. He hasn't been overly impressive. I'm not excited about him. That said he still has a name. He still has a good looking record. He still has the back story. He still has people remembering he almost beat Colombian back when nobody else was almost beating glove. I can see a world in which he wins a little ugly again and still gets a huge fight. Next year because if Cannella in triple g aren't facing each other, and they want a big fight who else is there. Some names may be comparable to Jacob's like journal. Charles, Billy, Joe Saunders. If you can get past his failed PD test, David lem, you Callum Smith. But nobody bigger than Jacob, really. So I see this as yes, he must win. Yes. It helps if he gets a knockout and looks great. But I suspect he'll be just fine. If he wins in underwhelming fashion. And he's still only thirty one by the way, Daniel Jacobs. Feels like he's been around a while. Amazing, isn't it? Yeah. But I think he should still have a few prime years left at a reasonably well preserved thirty one. As for what's at stake for Sergei chanko. This is his opportunity to crash the big time. He is little known outside of a tight core of boxing fans. He hasn't gotten much exposure never fought on HBO before this, you know, show box opportunity here and F S one fight there. But this is mostly just a name that's been floating in the third for a year or two has gotten mentioned here and there because of alphabet mandatory situations, but most fans haven't really seen him fight. He has an accomplished amateur record, but his professional record while unblemished is sparse. He's just twelve. No with ten knockouts. He only has one win that really indicates much about his worth at the championship level and impressive twelve frown TKO of Toronto Johnson last year, otherwise forty something Sam Solomon, Elvin Yala. Nobody else you've heard of the Ukrainian turn pro at twenty eight and he turns thirty three
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"Time. It was really close. I had a close going into the final round. Congratulations cannot right? I mean, so good not in Gaudi's quote with similarly basically said I didn't score the fight. I'm not going to make Brian make a claim as to who the judges gave it to canal. Better. But that's like in the grand scheme of row spike complaints right on the middle ale side. Yes, we definitely did not get economic love gin sitting in the back wearing nothing, but some rare complaining. So, but yeah. So the the idea of third fight we said all along if this one is called close and the camps can put up with each other enough to negotiate that a third fight makes sense. What what would you say? The percentage chance is the next may. We're seeing getting an hour as by the third time. Boy. I don't know. I mean. If gloves going to do it a third time based should be sooner rather than later shouldn't. Yeah. You know, feels like the. The tide is flowing by the tiny tiniest margins to canal bit by bit by bit. Yeah. And I think he would start as favourite. Although that said this time going into this fight a lot of folks pointed to the end of the first set canola was the one who had made the Justice, and he would up the momentum. And we had the exact opposite this time around as you already mentioned. So. I don't get the sense that there was most people ringside on on social media felt that it was even if they didn't have that score pretty fair. Right. So so now, there's a good case read the guy to make to go ahead with it. So we'll we love might depend on those cuts. Right. If one of them is able to take an interim fight may be they might want to do it just to not see each other Connecticut might be more inclined to find somebody else 'cause he can write go can wait a little bit more some point. It will probably happen. I would say I'm not ready to put percentages. We'll say wait a way to duck the difficult question. Of course, I would think that I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people close to galumph get who want to take a long hard think about what basically what you said, you know, it got tougher from fight one to fight to in theory is gonna get tougher from fight to fight. Three. He's going to be thirty seven years old. You know, does he does he need to do it? Do they feel like he needs to avenge the loss or could they be satisfied with we had to really close fights and moving another direction. And I wonder if the canalside might even look at it and say sort of like Marquez after the fourth pack gal fight sort of the I got my win. Right. Why why fight him again, and and risk ending on a different note or sort of Corrales thing. Again. I always said they would never be a fourth light. Because Barreiro would love to leave it where it ended up to two one. Right. So yeah, I don't know. I think there are certainly ways either side might might come to the conclusion that it's not in their best interest. But I still say in all about my my money is on the lighting third time jumped I'm next year. And neither fight. Has been any way a disappointment card. My or one school car might have been last time, but they have both delivered. But if times absolutely all right. Let's talk about the undercard a little bit. It was exciting. There were brutal knockouts the fights did not go very long how our friends on the HBO broadcast had a lot of vamping to do. And speaking of which I'm talking to one of our friends on the bail broadcast. You got a call into some sudden sudden duty there to go interview Abel Sanchez. I got I was just standing out back kind of kicking my heels chatting tear production manager, Ken Clawson, and a couple of other folks. And my phone rethinking, what are we going to do? And while we had something like an eighteen minute. Wait between the main in the main. My phone rings didn't quite recognize the number is then suddenly I'm getting text from us, and you produce producer, Tom because you really need to go. Rick Berns thing the executive producer and. Brig was like we need to go interview. Abel Sanchez right now. Right. So coal to the bullpen. Fortunately, you're the kinda guy can go into the game without any warm up just dive in there and get through a couple of batters. No. They've got a lot of space fell when they're like digging into the minor league. Okay. Well, I think you've delivered. Hopefully, you'll you'll stay in the major league longer, but you also slumped with down cast. So the first light was chocolate Tito and Moyes Flint as chocolate Tito got the fifth round knockout fantastic right hand. You know, did we did we see enough to draw any conclusions about chocolate or is it just like good to see him? Get a nice get. Well, win a knockout. But we still have to wonder if he's if he's passed passed it. Yeah. I mean, does it physically? I mean, he's looked. He's not looked good on fight night for a while. Like, he rehydrated a very odd way as of yet. I absolutely and not first round. He was quite slow and pushing his punches my fellow. But then forgets that chocolate Tito, even prime chocolate would oftens are very very slow trip. Fantastic knockout and not out of the blue. It was clearly looked like the only question is whether he had the power at one fifteen to do that. He was throwing combinations little bit like the chocolate, Peter. I don't know. It's not quite allegance. But it's almost like watching ninety glove can destroy honest, Marsha Roshan to close fights. And then before another close fights. It's suggests shows that Trump Tito is good enough to still beat the snot out of people that kind of level right doesn't tell us do against the cat and third fight went to the toll guy was landed some right hands on him. But again, even in his prime chocolate that would take Renta land a couple. So I'm not sure it told us very much other than it was very nice as he talked with Eva Gonzales, be solid. Exactly was fun to watch that offense in action against the guy with bad defense who Z who is easy to head the to tee off on a little bit. Good a good to get a another look at that fighter. Who's just so fun to watch all the time. Yeah. The fight that ended much more quickly than any of us imagined it would. Although what David Lemieux you should be ready for any. But David Liu KO, Juan over spike O'Sullivan gave us our second knockout of the year candidate inside a span of about ten that's real tires. It was it was a left toke that put Sullivan down and crawling around on the canvas having no idea where even after made it to his feet. Russell Moore had waved at off. And you might think just looking at it initially quick stop is pretty obviously Upton is is realized what the is probably pointing in very different directions report focus evenly signing that more like a protective shoulder. It was very clear spikers all of and hide no idea where he was quite on time. That was that is the thing with David lem, you you put him in front of a guy who stopped right lateral movement of BJ BJ saunas, for example, and he can be in trouble a guy who. Can box who's got or even like naughty Lufkin decided to go in and Jap his way forcefully victory. He can be in trouble. If you've got an opponent who's going to stand there? Yeah. He's always winning, but winning spectacularly and as long as you can do that you always gonna wind up in consideration for the bigger fights. As a great equalizer fans loves to watch it to see what my app, we know them, but we know his drink and the strength is he combined with either hand. Yeah. Chocolate. Tito and Lemieux both were guys we came in with questions about how much how much of a future each of them still had. And I think they both earned another opportunity tonight and have people see them again. Great and the final before the main event Hyman Ghia K O three over Brandon cook. I didn't think Mongia actually looked great. He was very sloppy very wild. But just so strong. He's got the youth the energy and way too much for for Brandon cook, this was really I thought going in on paper, the least competitive of the three undercard fights the suggested as much of. Yeah. Upset heads. Arrow non disrespect for about zero respect for anything could do him. And it became very clear very early on that it wasn't even just decisive strength thing. It was just Brandon coke is not good enough to be in the rain with honeymoon gear and expect to get anywhere. And once he realized that and he's still young. And that is sometimes the way fights he's just described in the last time around is like an exuberant puppies. Just so happy to wait in there and do some do some damage and sometimes he's imbalance sometimes, isn't and it was very early on. That he was it was just a matter of time for credit to Brandon who completely overmatched gave the impression that his toll and is into the way, and as he was just happy to be here, and he could've laid down 'cause had stuff this. But he didn't he t to this real best. It just was no good. Good self censoring there with stuff this. So. Yeah. Canadian very right there. They tend to be polite. So yeah. Those undercard fights as much as we are looking forward to it. They work citing they were not competitive. Correct. But boy did the main event make up for those guys are just yeah. To be able to watch two guys on that level. Just go punch for punch with so little separating them and just compete from Belda belfry while rounds. And now we've seen it twice. It's a real privilege yet, it really is an and if anyone's listening who's always wanted to go to a fight and is never had the opportunity to go to a big fight. If that's any way in which you're ever able to treat yourself once in a lifetime. It's good with big fight nights. Like this. Pretty special when you've got a crowd. That's really excited you've got to incredibly competitive skilful guys in the ring. I get nervous before the fights. Right. And you get the butterflies and nervous even making the notes, and as it's going along, you can feel attention just from being that just from being in the presence of it all it was on. This was another great great night in respect. I think that is a perfect note on which to end our week of fight week podcasting covering the triple g Cannella rematch. So we wanna thank everyone for listening to us all week long. We hope you enjoyed this rematch as much as we did. And enjoyed our podcast all week at as well. So we're not sure exactly when we're coming back. We may give ourselves a little bit of a mini vacation after a lot of podcasting lately. But sometime in the next week or two presumably we'll be back with another show office the people on it. Sure. We'll do it again. There you go. Oh, I thought you were going to somehow work a born ready there. But at this point after a long time dealing in over anything now. Yes, right. Get people. Okay. Well, that will do it. Thanks again. Everyone for listening until next time. I'm Eric Grafton on curable. Thing.
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"This. Podcast. Was a real heavyweight. I don't deal with. Thanks. And we are back on the HBO boxing podcast to discuss the way in and you know, people ask me all the time. What's cure in really like off the podcast Anneli say he's like a clown. He's showman. He's not true guy. It's exactly what I always say. And that's that's triple. She said Cannella. Yep. Well, they spend what seven months since last stood face to face. It was a little bit ill-tempered when they did that seven months ago. It was always going to be worse this time. So it was actually never seen Cannella Alvarez react. And I was apprised that he just went straight at it. Right. I wouldn't have been surprised at the train is the app that each other can out to do that. I was definitely surprised right? Yeah. It certainly was an eventful way in which is not always what we get to back. It up a step things got eventful before they even stepped on the scales because there was some controversy over who was getting on the scale. I seems right. Joe Martinez announced Cannella and Cannella. That was not what we agreed right? It's supposed to be triple g triple g got on the scale. I he weighed in at one fifty nine point six Cannella at one fifty nine point four. So obviously both made wait under the limit of one sixty before we get into everything that happened from there. What did you see on the scale? We had talked about how Gennady was looking possibly a little gone throughout the week. There's been talk about Canellas changing physique. What did you think seeing them up? I don't know quite what happened, but look quite healthy. Actually, he looked funny. I mean, he was obviously a guy who was, you know, put on several pounds. It's difficult to see. I mean can look quite lean on rip. It was difficult to see. Get a good look at you know, the entirety of kinetico Alvarez. But I can't remember a good podcast. There would have gone back to his way in peace a year ago and figured out how much can Alvarez weight and whether he's right on the money last time, although it was never going to be a matter of his the number changing. Right. Distributions after. Yeah. Exactly to my is, frankly, I didn't I feel like it's been a bit overblown talk of him being much skinnier this time around maybe a tiny bit less muscle. Ryan bit last bulk. But really pretty similar. I thought to the way he looked going into. Yeah. I can see I mean as one of the people who probably started that whole discussion of looking lot better. I have to take some responsibility for and we'll see we'll see on Saturday wills Bill. See how he fights whether older conversation we've had about whether he's preparing himself to find a different way to be true. Right. Certainly from an emotional standpoint. He seems to have changed a little be a little different than normally is. Because we had everything that came once the way and was complete. They're supposed to do their staredown. And instead canal charged right outta my belief that their foreheads may have even Tanya awesome for head to head action. And they quickly got separated. But yet very out of character for Cannella. Does that reveal anything to you know, it it just is renewed new just that everything that has happened over the last really since the the end of the first fight is genuine on his belt, and it's Bill, and you know, you about it and you'll fight preview on inside HBO boxing dot com. When they had their initial announcement for what was going to be. Fifth rematch in LA Fabbri. The last time they got together face to face that was already a lot of tension. And then everything that has happened since has just added to it. You know Gennady is clearly contemptuous of canal and does not believe his excuse for the positive test. Cannella was clearly furious with Gennady for believing is is rationale for the positive tests. And it's just built up and built up, and it's between the trainers to Chapo, and Eddie we're trying to have a go at able as well, even as as as the times set. Right. It's so it just shows that it's legitimate. I'm the bit surprised that. Welcome didn't really do anything. But fully expected them when it came down to digest professional cannot sort of sad about it. Just kind of meal there was so many fans and I just got motivated and excited. We'll see we'll see what happens on Saturday night. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw wacky farfetched conspiracy theory at you hear Cannella has been talking about this time this time I'm going to brawl this time angry. This is the next the final step in the plan to get Gennady to think he's going to be emotional. When in fact, he's going to box Cooley, I entirely believe that. All right. I think that's entirely credible. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Then now now that's how we know. It's. Exactly. I mean, we always agree on every flight might as well. Exactly. So we'll go through the undercard weights real quick here for the opening of the paper of you, Moses. Twenty twenty had to strip down to get to one sixteen one pound over the super flyweight limit. But I believe it was a one fifteen give or take a pound sits title fights. He was fine at one sixteen chocolate. Tito, one fourteen point eight and the thing that stood out to me. There was that they were having a whole friendly conversation. It seemed the staredown usually right? See that just carrying on a conversation. So no, no ill-will between those two net. There was a bit of ill-will between spike O'Sullivan, David Lemieux spike came in under the limit one fifty nine point two one sixty and they had to be separated as since we are being filmed here for Facebook live. We can do some visuals. They obvi- spike spike, did this move.
"hbo" Discussed on HBO Boxing
"We're joined now on the HBO boxing podcast by a fellow HBO, boxing writer contributor, Gordon Marino. Gordon, thanks for joining hermit victory here. So let's break down the slide a little bit technically. I know that you keanae for the technical things inside the boxing ring. It was a draw last time. So each fighter has ways of improving things they can do that. They didn't do last time. Let's start with Golovin. What would what adjustments can he make and would like to see him make whereas a little better job cutting off the ring? Remember terms. Kanawha would retreat to the roads. And then go out to his left to be away from his truck. And usually terrific cutting off the ring and certainly got to improve that. I think it's very important is. He can't can't we the first two rows less for gateway. Now this right. He knows what. Silence that shouldn't be a problem. But he's gotta come out a little stronger. And on the flip side at Cannella would more Gherardi guy. Struck me as he's always had this ability to. To punch when the other guys punched his stain in the pocket, you know and many times during that freight when either Kanawha was talking counterpunching of great counterparts guard. We pull it at a range. And so he couldn't counter and it's not like. That's that's anything's really important factors has gotta stay in the pocket punch when he's punching. And that's the only way that's a beat speed is punch faster throw when your throat. So those are three things that are really important. Okay. All right. And so now the other side what what are the things Cannella can do on his performance and soon we got a follow up hilly land. You'll have some on the best right uppercut in the visit. Remember, uppercut counters and e-van that he would follow up, you know. So he's got he's got tonight. The cats got finish with another combination. As important and go to the roads when he goes to goes to the road salt on square squared up and like a rag dolls during the middle rounds. Remember? You can't square up to get you don't have to tower. So I think that's. Fire also thinking just gotta neutralize Ghandi's dips plumper man of allergy. And he would move his head some. But then he would be in the middle and nail them the gym. I forgot how many times one hundred nine jazz copy box. He's got it to a neutral because sets up after scourge struck the gym. Think about spend the big debate in. For so long. Why did he is nothing on these people? I it was the ring generalship as much as the power because I said, he cut off the ring any would keep people wanted to keep a cushion. Right. He wouldn't you wouldn't swell. Over his last even the first couple of rounds of the count- broke fight. He wasn't doing that any any struggle to do that against Daniel Jacobs struggle to do that against canal. Do you think that's just a factor of the quality of the guy? He's facing. Gee, you think he's losing that ability to cut off the ring maybe footwork isn't as good as for work as as good. Again, like Rainman since then you've got to build a change speech that I'm out to left or whatever and kind of fly. I I think even by his own account. He did keep that cushion kept on a long time. But it wasn't as a factor on. Yes. I think that's gonna be the other the other discussion that has been as canal odor looks like he's carrying white differently. This time like he was very obviously like going power to be able to, you know, keep an audio. And we all speculate as to how he was able to mirrored Simon why he why he might. But it looks like he's trimmer and suggesting a half slat. He's going up for bit more speed that we're gonna see more movement for all his talk. I'm going to knock that he's he went to with ATI last time in. Yeah. Screw that this time. I'm just gonna time balls. Are they go the good good strategy? But it's got to be more active. And he can't just move is gonna punch. I forgot how many more punches through. Those are pretty accurate punch counts. How many throws and I think an audit through quite a quite a few more. He was able to still around another another state. I made was he'd lead canal still the end of the ran lov that's an. Trick. The big name star can often get away with stealing around this little flurries. Yeah. So yeah, I think it'd would be very foolish him to to engage in an. Streetfight where the naughty have has can walk through. Although I think can did get his attention and don't think you heard him, but he's got his attention. And so that's one of the things that people are talking about. Well, he's got to go to the body. But when you go to the body inside your open to uppercut severe hitching left took the counter to the left noth- took to the bodies
"hbo" Discussed on HBO Boxing
"This is the HBO boxing podcast, I midfield, boxing, insider aircraft. And I am joined as always by my co-host, fellow HBO, boxing, insider, Kieran Mulvaney. We are coming to you live from radio row at the David Copperfield bidder at the MGM grand for day to Friday edition, and we are in Las Vegas. Of course, the bright lights of the big city. Karen, you got a different kind of look at some different bright lights last evening on a little outing that you went on a little something different than the people who maybe were out boozing gambling, which like to tell the people about your expedition. I actually went on an expedition to look at neon signs in Las Vegas. I'm last Vegas history. Nerd and as a great neon Newseum just north of town Las Vegas that has a lot of the old neon signs in casinos and various different businesses as well. And it's a great tore through through Las Vegas history. Such an is actually the third time that I've done it. But it's the first thing that I've seen at night, right, which is an entirely different deal. Yeah. For that little off the beaten track thing, if you're ever going to be in Las Vegas that Neil museum is the thing to say what are the chances that our blue snowball microphone with its bright red light will someday be considered a part of Las Vegas history and retired to that bone yard rushing snake. Unfortunate a lesson. If there is you know, boxing, podcast hall of fame. This this artifact is going, you know, but you don't you've been coming to Las Vegas a long time. When some of the signs from the hotels and casinos that were around newish when you started coming to Las Vegas are are now part of the exhibit. Well, we're all getting older we are. So here's what we have on tap. For today's podcast. We have a few exciting guests coming up. We will kick things off with someone who actually joined us a couple of weeks ago on the podcast remotely today. We have him in person Gennady constrain Abel Sanchez is coming up. We're also going to have the MVP of radio row in general practice. I am. So Roy Jones will be joining us. And we'll also have a one of our colleagues at inside HBO boxing. Gordon Marino will join us as well to break down the fight. And then as is our Friday tradition post-weigh-in, we'll have our discussion of everything that we see at the way in and we'll talk a bit as well about the betting odds on the fight, and perhaps we will advise you as the best way to throw away a few dollars. Because certainly we're not giving do that. Do that. So we will be back right after this fancy music that you've grown to know and love with Abel Sanchez. We are joined now HBO boxing podcast by the trainer of one of the main event combat on Saturday night. Abel Sanchez trainer of thanks for joining us again. So what has these spirit been like this week is the flights County Down as anxious and eager is always what are you sensing? Very relaxed actually despite his actually easier than the first one. Therefore to to approach the work is year. It's like took a test last week. And you're gonna take the simplest next week when you ought to know, the answers, we know what we have in front of us. We know exactly what. So I think it's easier for the guys that are just pathetic. Because what they already saw runs. Beverly refunding getting to the point where the fights actually hear everything that's happened over the last year or so. I won't be released until be gloves in the center of the ring that is to me. That's when the fight is until then look ahead. Terry Norris spiting Simon Brown back in the early nineties, and we're in the room ready to go to the arena on Saturday night. It's going to be an HBO fight is five thirty nap. The and they get a call saying that the bites off so until we get into ring. That's when I. The way that the first night ended with Cannella quarter. Vasa conan. Bernard. Hopkins is crashing the we may talk to him in a bit. But back to back to able the way the first fight ended canal finish strong had three of his best rounds of the fight in the final three rounds of the fight. Just Gennady have to do something right at the start to establish that you know, that was the fluke and the rest of the fight was was more indicative of. Guys