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Marco Canora, Daves First Chef | The Dave Chang Show

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Marco Canora, Daves First Chef | The Dave Chang Show

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It's a great time to upgrade your pots and Pans Eric. Welcome David David Chiang. Show part of the rear podcast network presented by Major Domo media. Thank you to the great band. Yo La Tango for letting US use their music introduction. This week we have a great guest or one of the best chefs and one of my mentors and good friend Chef Marco Kinara Ron Hearth and the growing business. Nisa Bro which makes delicious absolutely delicious broths but wanted apologize if you hear this and it sounds a little bit wonky. I'm doing this from a hotel on my phone from Western Australia. I'm here for work for the week and didn't have time to do this. Introduction properly so apologies. So I'M GONNA keep this introduction in super short in fact. Hey Google set a timer for two minutes okay. Two minutes and that starting now Marco was is so important in my life because while I had a couple of restaurant jobs before he was a chef that opened up kraft and he was the executive shoe. sous-chef at gramercy tavern any was a protege of time click. You and I don't know of tom gets enough. CREDIT COM click. Yo the original Shefa gramercy tavern because because she had done something that no other American maybe people like Charlie Palmer and Rick Moonen and stuff like that but for me. What Tom was doing was vitally important? Because is he had integrated French concepts and philosophy and European ideas with American ingredients and sensibilities. Why loved cooking so much? Wanted to work for him. And Marco was one of his most successful proteges. And he wound up opening up. Kraft and Marco Thomas so much in that opening team of craft restaurant on nineteenth street east nineteenth street. Still a fantastic restaurant. I felt like I won the lottery because I learned so so much from these amazing shots. Tom Marco Jonathan Benno was begnaud. Dan Sour Canada mascow Ottawa. Damon Wise. The list goes on and on and I don't know if I have my critics say if I didn't work for Marco and he's done some amazing things that he's he's had a restaurant called hearth in the East village if you haven't been check it out one of the reasons. Why because in the East village? And he's got these broncos. It's these broths these bone broth with really delicious. Organic ingredients should check it out and he's got some stands in New York City where you can taste some delicious things and if you hear US drinking drinking something wasn't coffee. He had made us this amazing chicken Coconut Curry Thai Basil Thing Concoction and we drank all of it came in like a Dunkin. Donuts is like a mug coffee thing. And Anyway I digress. It was delicious and just thinking about it makes me want to get and you can also buy some at whole foods frozen. But I think the world of Marco and he's had a terrific career and I think he's come out the the other end but he's in a different place any was when he first started anyway. Want to get to this. PODCAST don't have any opinions fact this week because his I am terribly terribly jetlagged. It's insane so here's my conversation with Marco Nora of restaurant hearth and Bro. I'm with Margaret Kinara chef of hearth founder of Bro. How many locations abro now? We're opening up our fifth on the upper east side this year and I see see it in whole foods and more supermarkets and growing. Yeah we're in grocery. Yep Your name spoken about several times whenever we talk about where I've been. How the hell this all even happen in Marco was my first real chef while I worked at a couple of other places places? It wasn't what I tell. I thought about this as a serious career until I work for Marco and that weirdly enough was a long time ago down two thousand two thousand Jesus and such a strange time. I WanNa later work for you. I want to work for Tom and gramercy tavern was to me like the coolest restaurant because it allows you to Celera celebrate being the American without being completely French and There was like a weird time you had to choose like what clan you wanted to be in loved him right right you gotta choose the clan. Yep You could Daniel blue. You could work for air prepare. You could work for David Boulay. John George John George you had Charlie Palmer. You're in a few others. But like the main groups were that J G Danielle Tucker and I was accepted accepted into that group which was like it was weird and again like I don't know if it gets enough credit for what happened at gramercy Tavern Auburn but it was the first Russian that I could think of that celebrated American American sensibilities and cooking for not in red blooded. American can way but the fact that we were going to try to look at everything through an American presume in ingredients disabilities of it. We still made ten gallons of Bir fondue every day. Yes and I wanted to work for Thomas Cry grammercy but then like I had heard that he's going to open up his own restaurant that got Delayed for variety of reasons that finally opened up in two thousand and you were going to run the kitchen and I also knew. That can't remember was kid kid from cooking school. Remember Jim Jimmy used to work on a whole nother story which you know. Jesus you are the chef at Latino Martha's Arthur's Vineyard Yup everything as much as I could about you and data and came from grammercy came grammercy. Yep you were executive pursue under Johnny Schafer. The and you know it's hard to describe because when we talk about this time we don't have anything like that anymore. In terms terms of a tight knit family like clan. GRAMMERCY team was its own family for sure. I mean how many the and the industry seems smaller than to write. It was like the hardcore line. Cook to shop the J. B. Prince. You know it was like a clan. Feel like it's just it's gotten broader and larger. It's not as intimate as it was but the team that you work with at gramercy you would work with for years. Yeah no one laughs or people left. They came back and I just drank the KOOLADE. And when you guys open up kraft I was. I was like working for mercer kitchen and I was in cooking school and I just thought I was. I was so late to the game. They made no idea what I was doing and old. Were you then twenty two. Yeah what were you thinking running. Not just you now running running. Yeah there was a lot of pressure on you who it was very. It was very stressful. It was high pressure and I came into the game late. You know like I tell tell people like I didn't really get take my first serious line coach job until I was like twenty seven and all the years I worked in kitchens and cooked before that it was really really just the means to like drink booze and eat food and meet girls and it wasn't until my first line cook job coming back to New York after being a San Francisco for for a few years and landing that job at gramercy tavern That's when it all started getting really really serious. Oh my God I was like. I'M GONNA make this my career here and I'm so excited to land a line coach at gramercy and I worked through that kitchen very quickly and You know one of the highlights of my career to this day is still the second New York Times review that happened to gramercy tavern by Ruth. Reichel I cooked all of her fish that she spoke about in her three star review because they had gotten to stars and then they got reviewed and had three stars lying. Cocoa cooked the fish that she wrote about and it was like the most thrilling thing ever for for me. But what you said seems simple in dowager for you but if you're just the following food now or Halford fifteen years you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about gramercy tavern was second restaurant from Danny Meyer Tom Cooking. Yeah was the chef of Manga and this was their first real American duo type thing they were willing Daniel Daniel. Yeah it was. Danny's second restaurant which he said he would never do. Yeah and it got a lot of press on the cover of Matt like New York magazine. Eric in restaurant Tomlin hair. I'm the cover. It was for sure to have the unique craft fondue. Yes God with a lot of chives Chai's insurable and everything and it got to stars we there for that. No I came. I came after was their sense of fuck. We gotta we gotTa Redo this crush it not really man. There was when I when I went into that kitchen for the first time. It was so impressive and so clean and there was so much confidence happening in in that kitchen and I wasn't even really aware of the whole stars and they only had two in any of that I I was. I was bowled over by the vibes in that kitchen itching. Were you surprised how seriously they took it. Yes I was because it was so fucking joke. They were very they were. They were a hundred and ten percent from moment one from morning noon and night it was crazy cleaning in the flat tops and just all that culture that we a lot of people speak of you know it was like it was intense times for sure and you guys got three stars. Yeah which may seem relatively not news today right. Why was it so poor view what was going on? Why getting three stars from Ruth? Why was it so oh significant? Well she was one of the more respected reviewers I think in in all the years at at the New York Times And back then you know. This is like the late nineties indies. You know that was kind of the end all be all right. It's like there's things have kind of there aren't really the gatekeepers once was but back in the day like that. Was it like Doc. If food and wine wrote a story about you or the New York Times Wednesday edition or that New York Times review like that was a game changer for a restaurant Toronto and that was the DNA in the family that ultimately became the family at craft. And before that though you had Thomas ahead of time in a lot of so many things man and I know most people think of them now is doing top chef and stuff but he gave you liberties he's that most would never ever do you know the conception of craft happened over dinner at Union Pacific with Rocko dispirito which is an iconic restaurant that no-no about and I know it was crazy but you know we had the the million plate and all that it was amazing using but It was a simple conceit. It was like Tom and I kinda grew up Italian American families and was like why can't why can't you eat in a restaurant the way we eat at home and just put some shit down the center of the table and everybody eats it. You know And that was the nugget of the idea and it was basically like. Oh and why does the steak house only have to serve like steak and these things like. Why can't you have a restaurant format format that serves all the dishes of great fine dining restaurant but just do it through the Lens of like that center of the Table Steakhouse Style and you know back then? Nobody was doing that and it was a it was a novel idea. And it was funny to see the evolution of that to rikers. We took the Compose your own thing to the nth degree like when we opened there was a nightmare. Oh my God we had like condiments it was like pick your condiment and pick your sauce was what's your venture. Choose your own adventure for everything it was like. I'm surprised we say like pick your sea salt you know. It was insane but before that quickly changed he gave you the freedom to take time off from grammercy. Yeah and open on the on the vineyard that happened. How did you pick your ball? Summer Summers are slow in the city. Always and forever our So that was one thing on my side and look. He was always smart with cultivating talent. And you get a lot of credit today for being that same way. Way Right like working with people cultivating talent and and he was a master of that and like he knew that allowing me to go and open a restaurant from from nothing at my folks bed and breakfast and Martha's vineyard was only GonNa make me a stronger better manager and leader at gramercy when I got back So you know Kudos to him for like having the long view and then it made me better to be the the main guy when we opened up crafts so in that timeframe. You're what like thirty one. Thirty two thirty three. Yeah when you're running. Locker Chino Vineyard. Yes what were some of those dishes dishes that you're working on this is fucking it. I'm crushing it. That's a Larry. Well one of them was one of the dishes at gramercy. Davin back in the day was like the pepper crusted. Tuna am are pepper crust the tuna so I had to pepper across the to nose on Martha's vineyard but I did mind with With punts Annella and I got some like unsalted Tuscan bread and made a really killer Ponzanelli because that was kind of in my DNA. And I put the tuna on the Pont's Annella 'cause sometimes you can tune in it. So that was my house being really ahead of the curve there and with tomato vinaigrette and little dots of really really good Basil Oil that I made from Basil. That was out in the backyard. And that's like I look back at that menu and look at that dishes just me up because I remember conversation later craft because there was discussion if you were GonNa put it on the lavender lamb thing. Oh yeah the grill. LAVENDER lamb chops thing. You want on dude. That was a big one. Yeah I didn't make the menu at craft. I don't know I think it was like A. It was an operational problem because what I did was I. Would I would clean racks. And they'd cut all individual chops and then marinade them and then cover them an olive oil and you had to like melt all the olive oil off of them. Because if you set adam in the walk in and then all of the olive oil quite late and we grilled him and it was just a disaster because it was like hard to get the oil off and they would always flare up and in an environment like craft or there was like seven other meat. Dishes it just didn't operationally. It didn't work. When did you going to take over the kitchen at craft here? I was the guy to start is so like I know when they come to come to you who it was ninety nine. Yeah it was like it was like two years in the making. And I'll tell you some fun months when Jonathan Benno and I were on the payroll the restaurant was kept on getting delayed and we would have our air quotes menu meetings at his apartment in Brooklyn that the fun times. JV I mean that whole team that you assembled and James Tracy Tracy October Damon Karen Moscow and Lorne Dawson Are Yes Liz Chapman. Whose Chapman Dan Sour? Yes Stacey at Higgins. Yeah there was such an amazing crew God and then Modesto's Aso's whole client. Yeah And I just listened to your. I just listened to one of these with the the grit woman who jokes and when you guys were talking about a craft and you said you know it was like who could be the funniest yeah right and like that so resonated with me because like there was like this immense there is this immense intensity but but with that crew they knew where the the lines were and we were able to have an incredibly great time. Everyone here when it lines everyone knew the lines. You're right because you the one where the lines God was brutal brutal but that time I just honest I still feel like I won the lottery. Man It was the me too you I did too. It was an amazing restaurant to open and everyone was so good. Can you believe that. TV knows made no it was it was extraordinary. Even the the service staff Yep Victor to Matthew and Katie Greco Yeah Pretty amazing easing. Yeah in Matthew. Oh so the guy wasn't insane and I knew I had to get there but I was just like I'm never good enough. I just I'm really just starting out and I was working at Mercer Kitchen and again I I just wasn't for me. And then Mark Salafia went to College Mara Raffia via and he was like. Hey I'm a captain here at craft. I know you really love. Tom Wanted to try to get a job here. And I remember coming down to the kitchen so terrified because it's in the basement and then you're rolling Yoki and you looked at me. You're like no can. I know we're good. We're good we're good. We don't need anyone we're good. We're good I was like okay. That's IT and then A. I don't know what came over me to be like you know what. Hey before I leave. Let me see if there's any other positions 'cause just started on veg right now you're on the vegetable have answered follow. No I'm saying when you got in the kitchen was J for other. Who will never let me leave? You Open Oysters really good data but I just when I saw that when I went down it was like A. It's like a fuck like high school and you're in the senior lounge. All the cool kids are there and it was just a whole different vibe people or focus so focused it was just you could tell excellence was be pursued across the board and a product quality loneliness as Asian stock. Leno's the master of that you know. He learned so much from begnaud working with him so closely. Opening the restaurant Making the stocks. Yeah all all of that. It was like the perfect school for for a young co bad. The perfect place to be right crosswords. Noble Shit Yeah. You'RE GONNA you get the best product to the best technique on that keep it keep it as simple in purist Bosnia and everything was the basic building blocks of food so I got. I didn't get to nick stocks. We only made Brown chicken stock at Mercer. But we're making veal Rennie. Dark Yup every kind of talk. Yeah all the bone. Oh man who so much work. Yeah all the braces and I was just like I have to have to be here. Somehow we managed. There's a lot of products rise crazier and five six different kinds of mushrooms. Wasn't saying six seven eight nine types of meat six six seven eight nine types of fish. I mean it was crazy. It was a lot of product. You couldn't afford to do that today. Away right no it's like my game now is like less pro. You know less you know. Make the menu smaller. Because it's like you can't. It's too expensive big team. He had tons of people on my. They can't do any of that today. You have what three people on pastry three. People Karma J s about that six people just on Bassora A and now it's like one guy on Garm. Oh who picks up pastry. Oh my God is so exciting. Because I was like this is where here I need to be and you know what was crazy. I mean I remember reading the Franchisee. Who So many times and then I think Jane like? That's I think I was like. I brought it with me. And he's like you know the on the lobster and that right has the guy and I'm like yeah what that's JV that's the guy. I right there with the bald head. Benos pedigrees extraordinary and I was like this is where I have to be and then I had the only position I could get. There was answering phones to for for like two months yet until I built a current in there. Yeah I built occurs. Here's out I gotta come back down and then you went to cafe balloon right astronauts who to talk to and a half years with you and and that was the battles are awesome times that three Star Review Is Pretty Great William Grind out again like J. B. The next morning he hadn't shaving cream slaughters. You Nisa Shaving his head sued. I don't know if I've ever worked that hard opening that restaurant I remember like mopping floors with Oct Nov.. After like a seventeen hour shift and somehow we ended up we were like mopping floors at like two thirty in the morning. After being there for like sixteen hours you told the story about the sous-chef exact grammercy that was just like so intense about it and I was when I met you in I was like I don't think I've ever met anyone taken something seriously as you take this to felt like lately your life was on the line somehow. Why look back and I'm like I don't understand how it could have taken it also serious? It was crazy how come a long way in my old age like every I just you everyone I know he was insane insane. Yeah I don't know how did that get cultivated. I mean it had to become from Jonathan and I but it's like I don't think it was just you guys. It was just the industry then. Yeah but it was very everything was fucking serious and the investment in that restaurant to write. It was no joke. I mean it was a lot at at stake Tom. Yeah I mean. They spent a lot of money. Garbage dove I'll I know what was called exchange that immediately but again like we can about this whole thing like I just i. I really think about that as I am so blessed. Thank you for all the opportunity. Thank you for the hard talks you would have. And everything was just hilarious. We embark dog. It was it was a serious as it was which is hard to describe how serious it was deadly. We serious yeah. When did have time to be so fun? Can you remember how that happened now. I don't and I think it was like a release valve right. I think the laughter and the fun was just a way to lake. Release a little bit. Because we're all so wound up tight. It was crazy. Yeah I learned so much and I never get that opportunity ever again where you couldn't find out apetit. What restaurant could you learned that like? I wanted to work Saturday mornings. 'cause there's just me and Autar ah I got to cook everything. Yeah get. It started for for for dinner. Service doing all the braces making everything. I learn more that doing that. And I'm like when I think about that opportunity. Yeah well we didn't do lunch rates all day. It was prep like focus crap and we did a lot of charcuterie back then. We're doing one of the things. I was super proud of is making my own Delano to do and I had the metal the Metal Robo Coo and I would like Phil Freezer Sir. I would feel like one gallon freezer bags with ice. I remember duct tape the I would duct tape the ice around the metal bowl of the Robo Coo because I had to get it super cold old so I could whip all the fat into the poor. No you don't have explained to me. I remember that stuff whole pigs. We'd like bone out whole pigs and we would stuff the middle and more at the Dell and roll and and then poached thou and we would like tour shown the entire pig with all the more detail in it and then slice it like Delhi me and it was just so beautiful. I think it's still in the craft. I think that's in the craft book. It's not any it's the recipe that no one ever tried giants duct tape frozen bags of ice surrounding a metal roof right step one duct tape. You're frozen nobody ever made that recipe. Gone all of those. I remember all of that Hsieh. I laughed I went to Japan. That's right and I came back and I didn't know what to do but when I came back it was. Hey Marco's leaving you have planned. Yeah and that that was like Whoa. You help craft steak. Yeah Ben Crafts Bar on in Charleston. But that didn't pan out so then everything started to change range when Benaud and you it really. Yeah Vano decided he was gonNA take the job running moving to California to be back to French on your run per se. That's right and when did you start to plan like you know what I gotta run. Shop Will Katie Greco who was the GM at craft at the time and we opened that restaurant together and built it out altogether. Her husband was Paul Greco And he was like Uber. Serious Wind Guy at gramercy tavern for lots of years and he was I mean he was at gramercy. I Dunno for like six seven years and She kinda was like you guys should talk because you guys would make killer killer team And we did and we you know we worked up plan to try to raise some money and open up a restaurant. We started looking for real estate and and we found that spot on the corner of I twelve. which was Topo is the Mediterranean restaurant? Yeah it was Topo they came from ill BUCO and They opened restaurant called Topo. And it didn't last very long So we got a good deal in that corner. I mean it was pretty I mean what year is that two thousand. It was like two thousand three three open up two thousand two. Yeah we opened into. Yeah exactly so. We signed a lease somewhere two thousand two. What were you thinking like again full of ourselves? We thought it didn't matter we thought. Were you know lake. You could open wherever the fuck and like people are gonNA come. Because it's Paul Greco and Margaret Kinara. Unlike at the end of the day like at this city they can give a shit nobody an unforgiving city but it was. It was weird because it was first avenues at that time was like Siberia ask totally moving restaurant. And you're uh-huh right. You're right but you chase the deals right is still today. You chased deals and you symbol great team in how different opening hearth like what were you thinking. Where were you then? Look we were. I was obsessed us with like you know fine. Dining and three stars and like that was in my brain and Paul Greco had like gramercy tavern three star world and he was super buttoned up and he played that part and got dressed up in his his his beverage programs. were off the hook and like you know I was. I was feeling my oats. It's too like kraft was a huge success from bar was craft bar was delicious and awesome and I was so proud of that and craft was high high. Hi Hi stress and everybody was watching and like we delivered. We won best chef in the country that year. Jane's Beers restaurant restaurant. Sorry the best restaurant in the country James Beard and the and we got a glowing three star review from from grimes. And it's like that's the gold standard back then and everybody chefs to the. Yeah the first. Two years of that restaurant was unreal. Everybody came in everyone David Bowie and Iman and along and Lou Reed and like everybody. Game Rico chaotic reggae. Zik Gwyneth Paltrow. I mean and everybody came to that restaurant the first two years everybody talked about it it was a new concept it was a new thing and we hit it out of the park and you know thanks. Thanks to unbelievable team we had right and it was like. Did you think about the huge moment in my career because it was basically like do I want to go out and raise money and open a restaurant on first than twelfth or do I wanna be like you know the number one guy for the time clicky oh like world. It was a big huge important decision for me And toiled over that decision for a long time because look if I had stayed eight I would still be. I'd probably be a lot of ways way better off like financially explain that because for all intensive purposes. You've you've been wildly successful restaurant. Be Fifteen plus years yeah. Central Ohio is interesting on the other side. Grass is always greener Aaron. I gotTa tell you like it's nothing but you know you often you often refer to sisyphus and it's just like I. I could relate so strongly to that because because it it doesn't get easier. It only gets harder and I think The last twenty years probably would have been in a little less stressful and a little bit more Maybe rewarding from a financial perspective Certainly not from a personal perspective because the biggest pay day for me over the past sixteen years at hearth and growing bro has been and Building Culture and building relationships. And and and fuelling my creativity and having a place to do that and not just creativity through food but creativity through every aspect of running a business. Because I think there's you know people get caught up with the notion of creativity how it has to be about art. But I think there's there's ways to be creative in every aspect of what you do when you run a business And I feel also lucky to have The ability to have outlets to be creative and was worth the stress of. I mean that's the million in dollar question. I don't know it's like sometimes I feel like you know I don't know how you know I worry about the last twenty years of stress and how it's going to manifest as I age because like lately I've been very focused and into my health and I think think it happens to everyone as you get older on fifty one now and it's like I really care about what I eat and I really am conscious about moving every day and I'm super I try to like control control my thinking and meditate and do sauna and I do all this stuff and I really care about it but you know the fact is is like the twenty five years of fucking grinding being in this city and Oh my God I smoked for lots of years and drinking alcohol and not eating well and and the stress of running opening craft and opening hearth and opening. NCAA like those years are behind me. And there's nothing I can do about them now and it's like sometimes I wonder what are the implications of those sack those years of sacrifice. I don't know but you're told that's what you have to do. Get totally like you're in New York. It's the big leagues like you have to grind and you have to push Russian like you know it's funny because there's a backlash against that mentality today and and it's interesting You know you just talked about it the other day I listened to you with Brian couple. Brian your help woman and this idea of like to succeed you have to like which do that and you know. I don't know I would like to debate that. I would like to debate that because I think that it isn't always the best path right. I think that having an I hate this word. It's so cliche but having some semblance of balance where you you have have some emphasis around your habits and your you know your eating habits and your sleeping habits and taking care of your physical self and your mental self I I I believe that ultimately that will allow you to do anything else you try to do better. But there's I think you know you have the work eighty five hours a week. Margot walking sleep four hours a night and work. You know work until you can't stand straight and that's the only way to be great. That's that's fucking bullshit. I don't believe it. I don't know if you could understand that without doing that and honesty like when would you. How was there any? I mean I think about a lot to how was there any other way. Yeah back then honestly there was literally it was so fucking hard man. It was so yeah you did. It have the option to work seven hours right. I mean it was like Oh man I think I should stress was there. You could mitigate against the stress but because Iro file restaurant because you work so hard. Yeah because you cared about the nookie being so fucking perf right right like it. It helped drive the team. And that's how you wanted to do was feel bad for yourself right so collectively. It was like bringing motherfuckers. Let's go legit Ola. No Oh and I don't I think about a lot. There's no way it could have been any other way and I don't think you should feel bad about it because you have a different view of but now I just I just don't believe in the notion of the only way to achieve greatness as by doing that. I think you could be fucking great and not do that too. I really do. I think we're all trying to figure figure out if that is a way. Raga believe it's away right but can you you. You can see that way without going to the dark side. And everything in Star Wars Man. We were the fucking dark side Seth. That was the way it was like vengeance in pain. And we're going to inflict it. We're going to suffer as much as humanly possible to make. The food is delicious as possible. And it's highly effective tip. You get really great results. Yeah but you destroy yourself and everyone else around. Yeah it's not it's not okay and it's just it's not the way of the world today so that's edits over but it's hard to be balanced it. It's harder to be balanced and thoughtful and empathetic than it is to lose your temper. The right the question is do you think that the dining public has become more forgiving. An empathetic no. Not at all in fact I think. Do you think that that's where kind of some of the struggle is. Because everybody everybody we all we all believe in the notion of like having a good life and taking care of everybody and like never but then it's like then it's like this like yeah you know it's got to permeate across the board and it hasn't yet and it's a real problem in a real challenge like I'm challenged with that at hearth every day right because it's like and you say this a lot is like the prices on our menu should be twenty percent more at least at least at least and that would be amazing amazing because then it would be able to treat everybody that much better but if I did that today I would lose thirty percent market share. At least we'll be right back after word from our sponsors. 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Yeah no two stars never got three stars hours or for that matter But but it's like I just had a conversation with a young cook who worked at hearth for awhile and she came in to eat just two nights ago. She opened a restaurant out in Seattle somewhere. And we had this really wonderful conversation And I convinced her took me a while to get there. But it's like you know the thing that matters in this business in my opinion is like giving a shit about the people who walk through your door every night and that's it and like I feel like the world we live in today has taken a lot of power away from the gatekeepers and ultimately that's awesome because you have to build it slow and real and the way to build a slow in real is to like care about the people who come in and like empty their wallets every night when you have to win them over every night and that's all you need to do you don't need to obsess and like I'm so guilty of it because I chased I chased after stars and I chase the night chase and I was disappointed. 'cause I never got him and it's just like it's such a it's such an awful path and it's like I try to encourage to every young cook that will listen to me or anybody. WHO's a Shafir running a business where they could be subjected to this notion of a review system? And it's like Mike you gotta get over it like it's not they. Don't hold the power you know I think about Akhtar too right. Yeah Yeah when. He opened his restaurant at eighth. Street makes still now my God. Is it really me too is so it's funny. You brought that up because that's one of the thorns in my fucking side for sure because that restaurant was so great it was gray was so great it makes me mad makes colonel man to if you're you're not aware Nawab without a doubt and have to ask you is probably one of the best cook you ever worked with in your life. Yep Killing it today. By the way he's would just own nice but man there were some fucking dark darkness in between and I. I couldn't be happier for what he's done and how he reinvented himself. MM sound hundred percent but you know what you can talk about Schubert's all you want and certainly there is a healthy dose. A dose of IT WITH OC tar but it was with everyone because he was fucking can really good and he did everything you know. Let me back up. I look at you guys as my mentors older brother figures. And I've always loved you guys because you did everything the right way. There was never a shred of like compromising integrity. He just was never anything. The open in any fucking recipe. There's no no throw it out. Oh you took shortcut throw it out dude. I kept that I keep that with May to this moment. And however that happened from cleanline- you name it and how you guys respected your elders and things that came before you due respecting the farmers from both vegetables to the people that gave you the meets the whole process was beautiful to me and I was just like this is how it has to be done. Yeah and Ach. Dr Did that and his first restaurant and nobody acknowledged that. And it's just the worst. Are the key rose to the rank spent all his time with. Tom Got accolades after activates and then raised a million dollars. A lot of it loan from family members opens an original restaurant serving his rate bar program at a beautiful design serving his integrity. INDIAN-AMERICAN GROWN UP LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY WITH FILE delicious. who was that Bruni? Someone that was very nice to me he sure will share was yeah And that was hard man and I don't think anyone knew what to do. Oh and that's the thing is like Marco like you did everything right you. You'd literally helped define a neighborhood that existed. Obviously well. Oh before anything else but it turned into you. Help turn the village into a real thing. You know what I mean. Yeah Eh wasn't just trumbull. These pizza I'd like to think it helped you open Momofuku where you did. It is the reason. Yeah we opened up right one and a half blocks away. Yeah Yeah every day I would come up and ask Marco we have a cigarette or something and element on what's going on. Yeah scratch hunter lying on the fucking stupid it because I was just totally in shock what was happening and the only reason I open up there was it was literally a block and a half away from New York. 'cause it was like older brothers up the street street. Yeah and and we're both still there so grazing I'll tell you the truth. If you guys didn't do it the right way. I would have done the same thing I mean like but because you guys had so expertly done it the right way and pay that road so deficiently quite frankly like all of you guys had all the bases covered not just you from Shea Galante Brad Thompson you name it all these shafts did the right fucking thing spent the time when abroad. Whatever Yup and I'm like what fucking room is there for a guy like me and that's literally the truth? If you weren't as good on your niche I'll say but that's the only reason and I think it was hard for me to see the people that taught me how to cook and I think truly are way better at it than me like all I wanted for you guys to do is to like get whatever you guys wanted and it was hard for me to you man. 'CAUSE may not appreciate any of the success that came our way zero a fucking hated it. I remember how miserable you were. It was a shocking to the it was so shocking it suck me. I think you've always struggled with that a little bit. Dave like to figure out a way to like you know enjoy it a bit for Fuck Sake God for people that work in this industry. Can you find joy in this in. Like I'll tell you the truth really hard to now and I'm doing all right I I I really pick my moments and I really like. I really want drinking I still drink. I mean I've never been a big drinker I still I mean it's one of the it's one of the things where I find joy the the fact that I I've lately become in I've tried to notice and have gratitude for all the things. I'm lucky you to have like the other day. I made myself soup for lunch. And it's like I took a bit of the pork sausage in Black Hail Ragu that we have for Brunch and I took some of these big huge beans that were making it on the menu at hearth and I went to the Bodo Window and poured some hearth broth and a heated up and I made this like quick beautiful lunch bowl of soup for lunch. And I'm like I was like this is fucking amazing because so many people are out in the world and they have to buy their lunch. Inch aren't great. And I fell. I had such a moment of gratitude because like I'm surrounded by incredibly healthful well full delicious food all the time and I have great liquor and great wine and great food and great people will around me every day and like that's amazing and I you know so. Is that enough. I'm trying to find the joy in a younger version Margot Argo or the same thing when you look at younger cooks or chefs for the first time. And all they're thinking about is. I will only have validation for for myself if I win a fucking awarded. Now that's I know that's that's my new. That's why I tried to preach everybody not to do that to themselves. No because it's a lie. How do you How do you do that? I know I know I mean that's the whole you know that's the whole notion of mentorship right. It's like you know. Teach try to teach people the lessons before they have to learn it the hard way but do you still love it as much as more than ever. I love it. You know. I've been able to step away and I have of an unbelievable team and Luigi. Petrocelli is like running the kitchen for a Lotta years now and Christine right in the front of the House and like they they treat it like their own and we've created beautiful little family there and I think I'm able to enjoy it because I was able to step away from it. I think that if I was still embedded in the ticket machine at dinner service every night. I'm not sure I would still be able to have kind of a joyful. Will Loving relationship with that restaurant Because that's like a burnout job like to run To literally run the kitchen every night is like just too much so I feel you know I love it because I've been fortunate enough to kind of step away from a little bit. You got me mad to you just thinking about it. I was like I remember talking to critics because I was like dude. Where's your favorite restaurant hearth? There was like Oh. It's a lot like the food across. 'cause that's mark I mean yes. It's Tom's restaurant. Tom Had his vision. Here here here. But it's like craft but it was composed. I'm like thus far kidding. Yeah I when I when I think about it too. It's like it did make me me mad because if they if we can't judge Quality Josh Jeans on and that fucking guy is a lunatic and sourcing early like sourcing ingredients to the point where he makes his own salt right. Wow like a lunatic. And that's why it's so good and so expensive. Whatever but if people people have a hard time judging quality how they are going to understand technique in the tent and I just have always thought you're one of the best chefs honestly because impartial? Because he taught me so much. But how do you feel about doing something. I understand that you are like at another place but I still think it's important to talk about well. Why are you going to be doing something? If you'RE GONNA be judged by people that don't get it and you're not the one that's doing something wrong. Yeah but listen Dave Ivan. I've been simple subtle guy right and that does not re- talk about not resonating with the food critics of the world. It's like and I've always. I've always voiced this opinion and I still believe it and I still say which is restaurant. Critics eat route three hundred times a year. And if you want something to resonate with a critic that's ease out three hundred times a year. It better not be Naqui with butter and cheese and sage right and better not be a perfectly cooked this or a simple that because it's not gonNA in a fucking resonate with you know those critics out there and and that's been me my whole life Lake Cook One way like I love. Simplicity like I love less is more like I love clean. Simple food like one of my dishes forever. It's been a plate of neo key with butter like bets it and sea salt and it's like I don't care how perfect those are. You're not GonNa get an Adam Platt or some other guy who eats out three hundred and twenty times a year to to be like Holy Shit so let's break this down like subtlety with subtlety and simplicity is loss. I can trace that whole fucking God damn recipe. How you grew? It's the same dish. But my God that is like a tolstoy novel just in the now I know it and it makes me weep honest when I think about the beauty of that. Yeah I appreciate Shokhin in and all that stuff all I'm saying is we are appreciating it in the wrong perspective perspective and you should be defined by that dish. 'cause I'll be argue. There are a lot of different ways to make you know for sure. My God Yes tons without trying all the Nokia in the world. I would say that your way of making Yoki is probably the fucking hardest way too. He had had no It went from potato from a traditional yogi recipe. I guess sort of Potato Idaho potato flower two eggs YEP and every which way to boil or baked potatoes. Yeah remember remember how many different ways you decided on a whim you would come in and Marquez's way spinning a towel is move and they'd be like no. We're going to do it. This swipe your in a slice them and you're going to cook them on a preferential age. You know whatever and this time you're gonNA sliced in half and score on this way it would change so much tweaked and learned every day was great and then I was like I think this guy's out of fucking mind but no I was like. Oh He's like it's about the fucking crystals man you gotta get trust. It's true it's true crystals some homework do some homework. You're like No age the potatoes aging the potatoes. True 'cause under melts starch AIDS AIDS them and man like a good day for you. Everyone was like because I will be in charge of cut in the Nokia. How the potatoes crystals? Because the ruin. If it wasn't good service may go off the rails. It's hilarious sure right like little things and you're so in tune with this fucking dish. Three ingredients at the time and the pickup was just butter bramante yet reggiano and salt and pepper locked up. Yeah and then you got you change the cooking method you started. Aj potatoes and then you got rid of eggs yup and then in total sense. 'cause what you've figured I was like man. I figured out how to drive the potatoes. I figured out how to get the star contact content. The goal is to not use any flower at all. Yeah Yeah can you imagine as little flowers needed but the minimum effective dose of flour. Because if you can theoretically turn the potato into star cheap deep that would be the dream. Yeah right I know this. Yeah so every time I've ever had your Gnocchi I'm like manage closer. He's getting closer instituted. Drink yeah and it's literally the heart warming thing for me to know that this thing potato dish over twenty years it is still tweaking towards perfection. And if that's not three stars or fucking the best one of the best stores you ever hear about who you can't get one star a Michelin at hearth okay. It doesn't matter man. People love that restaurant and I love the people that come there and we have such a good group of people like it's so it's so doesn't matter anymore really doesn't I love that place and people love that place which is the best feeling people come in and they're like God gotTa love this place and like that's it that's everything it's incredibly delicious. Yeah simple wholesome soup. YEA rebel leader fucking Christ but you know the for me like my favorite story is like how you know now. I get off on serving a cup cup of broth because it's like this notion of making it simpler and simpler and simpler. It's like there's something about a cup of hearth broth that that is like it's like the the essential nature of that cup. Br Office something like that is getting me so jazzed. So how does this whole broth thing thing happens. Just like 'cause you obsessed it didn't happen craft. It's my NUKII Cup of Broth. When did happen at heart because you always make stocks? Yeah this hearthrow authors the Universal Broth. I've been using since crafts through through do in San may through heart of what the hearth broth. It's no is the broth. I grew up eating as a kid that literally my mother would make this broth for holidays. And it's a you know it's is a big piece of lake tough beef meat. It's like a Turkey drumstick. And it's like a whole stewing hen or you know it would just be like a big nasty chicken and like those three things together with Mir by tomato product Cooked for Pretty Damn longtime and it would just make the most delicious not super like Wadey but thin at the same time because like Irby's like what's the difference between stock and Broth Blah Blah. It's it's like the Italians make broth with more meat in it and the French make broth with more joints and bones so one. It lends itself to reduction because there's more gelatin and the other lends itself to flavor because they like to eat lighter in Italy and it's like the Italian version of hearth broth with a lot of meat in it is like Sesotho so savory and like to sip it is just. I think it's really enjoyable way more Asian right well this. I brought Tom Yum for you. But even still like it's like more meat and then you use something like you make a salad out of the meat or something like that. You have the BRA. Well Yeah we would always make croquettes out of the of the meat further Growing up Fuck Margaret your sister your unique such good food and I just think about all the shoes to do. It's a lot shit you. We came up with. Yeah Blige's yeah. Final why onions fennel celery and onion instead of Cara so free those words at a wanted to like show you this thing. 'cause I just saw it in my local h mart they have a Goya makes the Frito they used to put it in a can the good but now they put it in Now put Jars no-one free toe like retail dude. My dream is to make so the label on this Goya's of free does the the ingredient panel is like. It's really it's really long and and there's not a lot of great things in there and like I wanna do I WANNA do a clean label so Frito man I would. That would be way down and yeah with broth into Frito. You could make so many delicious. Things you made me do Afrita crude-oil yeah pickled sardines that's one of my favorite dishes. They say that was on the opening menu of craft. It's a free cruiser. Also one of my favorite underrated dishes. Oh you did was the brace Frito yes delicious. Yes also problem. My favorite Margaret Roberto Veins in is the is the catalina beans. Yeah that was the old amuse. Yes but just the beans at some when they were hot. The summit yeah simple delicious sneer. Some good food. I mean. We're still doing that hard to see food. Yeah Yup I mean we've even turned up more at hearth earth with like the quality thing like we're only using grass fed butter today. You can talk about downstairs. Talk about this change in like how it all happen. Yup and there was what the shift was was so someone hasn't been in a while like it's all the same but not the same. Yeah well it Kinda shifted when I split with Paul because it started it was like wow I really have an opportunity now to like do whatever I want. It's not like a it doesn't need to be a joint decision because now I had kind of of all the decision rights and and it was on the heels of Bro and the success of Bronco in the positioning of Bro and and I just thought you know I I really really wanNA speak the same language with hearth and hearth had always cared about seasonality in quality. And that's how you know. Craft was like that but I was never never like forward with it in the narrative or in the marketing of the restaurant and I was like you know because you can use it was a given that. Yeah because that is I never did did like these are my farmers and these are my things I always just. I was always a fan of lake. Not saying anything and just being like you know Yoki would did you ever seen. He's got the best shit. Yes exactly but I never talked about it and I was like wait a minute. Like the more I learned about vow. How few people really using the greenmarket and the more? I learn from listening to cook who had like trail around about like things that were going on in the industry. There's some really great restaurants I was like. You know what I feel like I feel like the world is ready to you know and the other thing that made me do it was is the fact that as I started bro as I started getting interested in grocery I was lake. You could walk the aisles of whole foods and I can learn more about all the food on buying and whole foods than I can in the in the fine dining restaurant culture of New York City and I was like I want to I JUST WANNA be. I WANNA be more out with the kinds of things that I'm buying because I always had the approach of I don't need to say it's a given in like we're just getting good stuff and I was like you know what maybe I do. Need to say it. Because I don't think people were connecting the dots. So you know I started talking about the fact that we're milling our own flour in the basement and I started talking about the fact that we're not using commodities butter like we're getting thank grass-fed local grass fed butter and I just started being way more vocal about The raw material Israel choices and it served us well. I also changed the format right. We weren't app an entree because because like my apps we're going to start popping twenty twenty bucks in my entrees. We're GONNA start popping forty dollars if I stayed to that old model of like protein centric entrees and like you. Couldn't you couldn't do it so I was like you know. We got rid of. The APP entree model. Everything was just a plate of food and we started talking a lot more about about you. I know where we got everything and and it was amazing because I watched the demographic of that restaurant change overnight and it went from it went from blue hairs to twenty. somethings in a matter of two three months and it was extraordinary. And I'm really glad I did it because it's like it's the two two point. Oh version of hearth that began at the ten year mark and that was a fun reunion. Do Those L.. My God you were there for that that's right. You were one of the cooks and Tom was doing his lobsters from raw remember. That could his lobsters Larrea area so great fun night. Simple ass fudd night. I have that menu still somewhere in the restaurant. It was an unbelievable night but it's amazing. After ten years we kind of we redid it all and like we launched the brand new restaurant. I mean it's still hard but it's been great. It's been great. We've been busy and people really appreciate. It was the last time you had you know. My favorite recipe actually is reveal breast We haven't had that on the while. You never know why. Well I won't do it today because I can't find good quality veal it's like I wish Roseville became a thing thing in this country. But it's like it's GonNa take four. I mean four story. Does it once in a while. But it's like you know it all goes to Dan Barbara or something. I don't know it's like I can't get my. I can't can't get my hands on good Roseville like grass-fed Mother's milk veal is impossible to get so I don't do. I don't use veal anymore. And we. Jews are meatballs BALSA beef. 'cause I couldn't get a good quality. Veal your Meat Marco Ban all these fucking dishes so good. You're meatballs in fact we need to come and visit US soon. Parking long rebel leader just went on the menu. So you gotta come for your annual. Your annual bowl of Rube Abelida veal breast though talk. That was so good. These are like Oh my God that was good and cramps. Fresh cranberry beans so good. Yeah are are using fresh beans now at the restaurant anymore. Not New York but by ends on the market another staple of Marco that did not understood as your master Tuscan man being eater so many Lorna bean eater. Yeah and fresh beans is something that I hope becomes more recognized. Denies is like a sought after thing. Because like I still don't. There's so many people that don't understand the notion of a fresh shelling being and their extraordinary fresh beans. I'M GONNA BE IN I. You know what just talking right now. One of us are all of us should actually compile a bunch of fucking stories every and they're so funny. Did I tell you the story with Keller and Beto now it is literally the week that crossbar open and like all of a sudden craft bars open. And then your menu with to sage leaves balls in Hammond Taleggio that out of the woods and it just like we had all these new cooks. They're trying to figure out how to get equipment and your veal recorded meatball. So good had someone had taken a equipment off my station and I was like who took it in like James tracers like some one of the nudes over next door so past past run. Run around faulk. I'M GONNA kill this guy can't believe they took my shift and literally. They put a whole next door on in the building. I turned the corner era. And some dude caramel the person's name with my equipment in his we might whatever my knife or something and his left hand kissed me the and it was all the meatballs GRANDPA. They was bringing down for whatever reason and they all flew all over the place. I mean balls everywhere. Marco's delicious meatballs stuck everywhere in covered in red sauce. And the whole time it was like I'm like how do I go to miss that one. Yeah Years I I'm hearing this story and I was like 'cause back. I don't remember like October and would like to aprons because you get in trouble of you dirty and I was like. I don't have time for member that you'd I have four glean aprons on one. That's hilarious. It might turn the corner and I see God. It's Thomas Keller Jonathan Benno sitting sitting right there in front of me and I'm like covered in sauce or no. No what do I do. I don't why can't walk away way to anything. What am I supposed to do? So don't even have a place to my dirty hand and Jonathan Davie Goes Chef Chef David Chang and he reaches out his hand. I have tomato sauce all over my hand. I shake his hand and so I will have your meat. Balls will always be synonymous with meeting chef Keller with minerals in my face in hair on drinking this broth in it's delicious. This is what the time young. It's a it's coconut milk curry spice from Our friend at Lewa and LEUR And Lime juice and Chili. It will make it like Alan Minute at the shop. Where the locations in New York He's still in the first one in West village so upper west and soon upper east. Wow we have a six month year kiosk at astor place and what what. What's the move if you haven't been to a broader store? Would you do so basically think of it as a coffee shop and instead of serving coffee were serving broth so we serve broth in a small enlarge cups with sicklids And you could treat those. We have four different broth and then you could treat them with all these different combos an atom. So this is the Tom Yum. And there's also the spicy no which is roasted garlic and Chili In the deeply rooted is to Merick Ginger. So we have fun with is like it's very easy as a chef for so long to come up with things to add to broth like we froth it with different butters and different Geeze and So there's so many things things that you can incorporate into this simple cup of broth to make all kinds of flavorful drinks. So here's your opportunity to talk shit about all the fucking competitors. So you're when you're going to Russia talker. I know you're fucking Shit. Talk avoid you are look. I'm not going there. Come on I'm not going to name any names. Don't Lanier aims why everyone on. What kind of shortcuts does everyone else take that you don't okay? Well there's a lot of them. I am so. The vast majority of broth in the marketplace is made by buying base which is essentially like a period version of Leon Cube. And you put the base into a big big big big pie and you add water and you cook it for like an hour and then you have like a ton of broth that you just label and put it into into a box or a can or whatever and that's like the vast majority of broth in the in the commercial market is that and if they do decide to cook it for real will. Are they buying the products that you buy. I mean look. I don't know how everybody else is doing it. I could tell you that You know how they say when you don't know what you're doing sometimes you do things and you know because you're stupid and you don't know and it's like we we fill pots. Yes with bones. I mean I make broth. We make broth commercially. The way you craft. That's all I know right and like I'm doing that now. and a lot of people are like you're out of your fucking mind but I'm kind of like I was one of. There's only one there's only one I mean. Look the the only way I know how to make Brian. Nobody's GonNa tell me like. Oh well if you want to sell it here then it means you have to make it this way. And it's like I refuse to believe and so it down with Marco advice like you're out of your mind you can't do at this scale but you are and we are and that's why not changing and you never get an I just just. You've never taken a fucking shortcut man. Don't even with this. You're buying the best. You're cooking the same way we would do would that you taught me how how to do it. It's how we make it and that's why the only way to make it. Yeah it is delicious and I hope that at the end of the day. It's hard though because in a grocery setting you can't taste stuff stuff so you know it's hard to it's hard to educate in that channel but we are all in on it and You know I'd like to believe that it's is all about people you know you have to repurchase it right so people will try it but they have to love it to buy it again and like. That's the key to like building something in a grocery channel. I believe in hope so the hope is that little by little people will try it and be like Holy Shit this does taste different. What are the size? Is it being delicious right which it is. Yeah what are the Hellenists. Yeah I mean. They're so they're so long. Like I like to get out out of the functional. You know there's a ton of functional benefits to good broth but one of the one of the things that I kind of hone in on is like I want this I get. I want this to be a hack for people to cook more at home because like I believe cooking for your family and cooking for your friend and cooking for yourself. L. Fear on food is one of the best things you can do for your mind and your body and your health and having a good quality broth available to you to insert into your cooking at home is one of the best time hacks there is so I would say the biggest benefit is to understand what it means to the have broth as a staple in your kitchen and that will lead to tons of benefits functional and otherwise But if you if it's like health and wellness conversation the station. All the benefit comes from the amino acids structure that is in that collagen protein. There's L. Blue Demean in there and there's glycemic in there and there's a lot of studies ladies despite a lot of people saying there's proof about Roth there's proof about the elements of broth and there's plenty of studies about blazing and there's plenty have studies about El Gouna mean to things that are very prominent in in our broth and traditionally made broth. And it's like it helps heal your gut lining and It helps lubricate your joints and it helps hydrate yourself Helps you recover. Well it helps you produce more Collagen in in your body and it's just like it's insane. How many benefits there are and the other thing I like to say and I'm going to take advantage of being on your show to say this? It's like people have been consuming traditionally made broth on every corner of the world for hundreds and hundreds of years and like for me. That's enough like I don't I don't need. I don't need a study like everybody wants to debate about what to eat. And what not to eat. And whatever and it's like I would dare say we should look at what we've been eating humans for a lot of years on every corner of the globe to drive decisions and broth is something thing we've been consuming for hundreds and hundreds of years on every corner of the globe and we need to get back to it because it's very valuable for cooking for health and delicious. Yeah I say the world's first comfort food is like it's as comforting as Mac and cheese except it's really fucking good for you cups. We just had had four. It's delicious and I didn't know I thought he was bringing Dunkin. donuts coffee Mug but giant Gallon Jug. Doug abroad that. We've now it's delicious. It's delicious and we're shipping it e-commerce too. So Oh you said you had a discount. Yeah Dave fifteen fifteen percent off bro. Dot Com Bro. Dot Com. Dave fifteen fifteen dave fifteen and ship ship it to you anywhere in the US. Good for the holidays. Good for Thanksgiving dinner gas them a recipe. Before your broth for Thanksgiving there will just make a ruin at hearth broth to it. And then put some chops age and Rosemary. And you've got an unbelievable gravy done. If you don't make it your a loser Marco Chef thank you so much. Always have to call chef but I appreciate it. It's been it's been great. I've been hoping that we were going to have this conversation at some point. It's we could talk a a lot more fucking insane. Shit I just want to say I share your Your love of Jeremy Fox. You mentioned how he just got reviewed a Birdie Birdie. I mean I like you. You're you know. I have admired that guy from afar for so long. And he is like he is an hi conic figure in my mind in terms of somebody to emulate and his cooking and his devotion is extraordinary. So I just wanted to kind of jump on that on that Waga with you and say that fucking guy is unbelievable and the shift. He's gone through one of if not America's greatest greatest talents. Yeah for sure. One hundred percent agree so you know I know you've been a huge fan of his and Checkout Fox's restaurant Checkout Marco's restaurant hearth and all the broader locations bro Dot COM Yup Dave Fifteen fifteen percent off and If you make the recipe for Thanksgiving thanksgiving it's the rue bro Roth. 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New York City

Miles Away

26:42 min | 1 year ago

New York City

"<music> welcome back to miles away. This is your host zack owning today. We're venturing into our backyard on miles away of manhattan <hes> and new york city in with three of our resident new yorkers so i we have nick l._s. Teepee jeez reviews editor welcome mic. Thanks glad to be back and sam rosen. Who's joining us. I think for the fourth time hearty welcome introduce our next guest and this is my caitlyn rebel. Hello so caitlyn. Where are are you joining us in new york city from so i moved here from charlotte north carolina but born and raised in knoxville tennessee. How's your experience in new york so far. I love it so i traveled here ton. For where can i grew up coming here. My mom used to hear a lot for work and i would tag along with her and fell in love with it there but <hes> moved here three months ago thought thought that the shine would wear off by now but still starry out every time i leave the office. I'm like no. I can't believe i work here. I live here cool city. I love it even even though the subway subway smells like urine kind of grows on you after a while it does doesn't it. What has your experience been in general in new york city so far. Have you tried a whole bunch of restaurants museums. Are you working in some touristy things all the touristy things because i'm still like the ultimate tourists like you said that the shine hasn't worn off yet so some of my favorite things stockton island ferry. That's my go-to especially if someone is like gonna budget looking to do something cool. I think that's such a fun experience. Eating a lot of broadway shows so the today ticks has an app where they do lottery tickets for certain shows and you can get the specific broadway shows thirty nine dollars on the lineup so it's is an app yeah and that's the best part. You don't have to lineup anywhere. There's like the tickets booth that you have to go and line in times square but the today ticks app is great so i just went and saw burn. This got thirty nine dollars. Tickets are pretty decent. Seats top of the rock is probably my favorite touristy spot. I love atop. It's the best views like i grew up going to impress deep building with my mom. That was her favorite but now that the top of the rock is there. I like that one better because you can actually see the empire state building from it so we'll go to the building yeah well. It's kinda cool being up here but something's missing right yeah because i love it and you're at rockfeller center the whole like steve feel. Have you gone to the top of the world trade center yet. That's fine. I would definitely go go at sunset. Who will be bringing book. I've seen seen uh-huh like instagram stories of people taking the elevator up. They have like the history of newark abbey built a holy spirit around you that started in sixteen hundreds yeah yeah. It's the coolest thing that's awesome. If you go to the top of the world trade center definitely walk around throughout the nine eleven memorial i would recommend that you've done the museum yeah okay and then go through the yeah the oculus which on mall i like to go there. If i've jet lag going empty funnel time lapse video sometimes there's eagerly down there that is not crowded. Love yeah protect your apple spritz. The up also move. I'm prototype. I learned if you do the nine eleven museum which i highly recommend an incredible experience plan to go to a comedy club afterwards need something light hearted and fun to lift your spirits afterwards because it definitely definitely an emotional nick and you kind of rockets through some of the key neighborhoods where trump yes okay so we're starting at the office where in gramercy z. which is named after the very exclusive park that we can see from our fire escape so you have to have a key to get into the park. You'd have to have an apartment right on the park in order to get that or you can say the gramercy park hotel and get a key that way protect yes below grammercy. We're moving into the east village. Which is another place. I hang out quite a bit. There's a lot of good restaurants pretty reasonably priced good bars karaoke spots. You're getting away from the pop type. Definitely a lot of smaller shops shops. The restaurants are pretty small. Everything's much more local less touristy less refined than some of the other neighborhoods but it's a blast. It's a really authentic authentic new york neighborhood cats delis laurie size which we're getting to right now. Don't do not lose your ticket. Whatever you do is is your ticket deepdale happy with you. Is that is that we're harry met. Sally that is we're harry met sally. They met in a different place but yes yeah okay. There's a sign nine over if we're being technical things i'll have what she's having but really the food is so good. Also when you go don't get an omelette you wanna get the pajama sam yes yes. It's the tourist like my ancestors would not be happy with you. Having an omelet the castelli you gotta get straight sandwich and try and try them at the counters. You can try all the meets conditions the doctor browns and don't lose your ticket. What if what if i lose my ticket had been you live forever. Yeah all right and you can use credit cards their concern and go to go to the back in pay back there but you can definitely is credit cards. Yeah site is also home to a lot of kind of trendy cool bars. That's where the public hotel is which has the rooftop with famous view of the city as well as mr purple. Another rooftop are were a lot of young twenty year. Olds hang out get good summer spots but yeah there than that. A lot of good restaurants also pretty small but really really good. There's a really good spanish place down there. I'm called the ten bells. It's awesome heard that okay yeah. It's really good. I actually so i go a little bit further down <hes> so i spent a lot of time in in chinatown love chinatown yeah i like like <hes> each k. one town garden for ninety nine hundred nine favorite taste if you if you like hot pot and inexperience go on your birthday. We're going someone else's birthdates. It's actually pretended someone else's child you have to you have to have some kind of identification but anyway it's it's a lot of fun cool area and and then well you can't feel about joe shanghai jewish or non parlour anyways. That's yeah and there. There's a apothecary apothecary. Apothecary peaches and pook are there to really yeah concert yeah really good joyer street deutscher street little tiny. I don't like your new york. When you're there stonestreet. No no it's not but we're gonna thank you for moving us. Along stonestreet is at the southern part of manhattan in many of us would call the lower manhattan or the financial district but my favorite part and fidai neighborhood is <hes> the seaport which has really come a long way in sandy. It's it's a fun area. We've got a movie theater with what i call. Business class seats lifelock lifelock while they're angle angle flat bread plus. Get free popcorn but there's a lot of good restaurants around there. Actually there's some good italian spots and there's a few bars and it's just kind of a fun dead rabbit the democrat ah yes and actually the dead rabbit owners opened up this cuban bar at the top of puree called black tail which it used to be impossible to get reservations at and now it's it's pretty much wide open. Just make reservation on open table lied open award availability wide open award yeah there you go. You're gonna have to pass on everything you get there but they've got some good good bites and it's a fun spot for sure. I don't know what's more stressful. Sometimes like finding a good dinner reservation or finding award availability like you have to like be on top of your game i would say they're pretty pretty similar experience the same yes or signing up for a soul cycle classes at twelve o'clock noon on monday. I would recommend razzie. If you're new to new york career visiting download the app essential best spots around razzie dino the notify prototype. It's yeah a little bell and then and if you get a notification that you're spot has opened up swipe away think just swipe plan later on the alert yeah i might i ever as a reason for twelve forty five minutes. Who's coming up continuing the journey up. If you're going up on the west side and our backup opt back up the west side rounded about manhattan bottom an-and great views of the statute of liberty yeah going up another very fun spot <hes> part of town where i spent a lot of time walking is along along the west side highway which doesn't sound very appealing. Why don't we say along the hudson river waterfront stroll through the summer. You gotta sailboats city mayors in your lot of city venue. There's grand banks which is all. I love grand banks bar so it's fixed so going up a little bit further north. You have the frank the frying pan which is another really cool stationary boat yeah. It's a thing here. I go to artichoke pizza after the frying pan and then walk on the high line nine yep. You're welcome okay. We skipped a lot of neighborhoods but tribeca is a really cool area. It's a lot of old loft and everything celebrities live near celebrities but not see dan pro-trade back. There's a great argentinian restaurant called for sixty on greenwich street in tribeca in a few tables outside in the summer. It's really nice to sit there. It just kind of spot celebrity people watch but then you have the west village is where he spent a lotta time and that's where the comedy cellar it is and some others. There's some really really cool apartments and really nice requirements. Yeah and there are a lot of amazing restaurants. There are tuesay one of our favorite spots. Catanha catanha really reasonably priced pasta hole in the wall. Kinda vibes good bars. There's a bar of the five guys is there called the garrett which is cool like you walk into. Five guys walk to the back. Walk up the stairs. That's a really cool bar. See i would just stop at five heart. Well you can bring up with you <hes> <music>. That's how to get me to go to that. We're getting french fries and burgers yep so continuing up skipped ahead a little bit <hes> up to the high line and if you follow the highland to the end you're going to end up in. This new neighbor recalled hudson yards which i personally do not care for especially. I've heard at the jose on andrei market actually is quite good. Yes spanish italy which i'm very onboard with saturday and i'm square which you can just completely bypass blocking other on the along on the river. No i'm just kidding. If you're a first time tourist and you have to see time totally i would go in the evenings. Maybe just get all the lights and get your picture. If if you do find yourself lost in times square and you need a spot to grab a quick drink the marriott marquee there they have a little <hes> bar on the eighth floor that you can just sit in overlook times square they chargers. They're all right bye and really clean bathrooms so those are all free finds in times square. The times square dishes really cool. It's a really cool place. They have a light like really cool outdoor spaces lounges inside and stuff and they have a club on the inside. That's from the house of yes. I would say to if you are stuck in that area c._b._s. So you're going to see a broadway show which will bring you to times square. I would venture over to maybe like ninth avenue <unk> avenue ninth avenue and you're gonna find much better at local because that's that's hell's kitchen exactly which is a lot of good restaurants. There's a shake shack on forty fourth and he walks us through the times square area so yeah uptown uptown girls so depending on which way you go. You're either on upper west side or upper east side. It's kind of you know self evident which one you are depending on where your heart split by the park definitely yup central park work is absolutely huge like i feel like a lot of people don't realize how big it is but it's like half of manhattan and you can easily get lost. I like it there. It's not my favorite park. I feel like people flocked to it but if it's your first name here or you're new to the city definitely go yeah. There's something to be said to you for having a picnic when the weather's nice sheep's meadow and one of my favorite views of the city is at the top of the met in central park. There's we've talked oreo incredible. I have that view on my instagram so the neighborhoods are they're both really like family. Friendly neighborhoods bird's eye upper west upper east very different vibes very different vibes. I like upper east as opposed to upper west. My grandparents actually had an apartment when i was growing up and so we i used to come in all the time and just stop around and eat second avenue on the upper. East side is great yeah ana restaurants and bars yeah. I lived up there for a while now. The subway goes up there too and second avenue. Subway is great and that's going a little bit further up. We've got harlem. Yes well definitely have really good soul food on their yes. Yes soviets is kind of gas sylvia's. How do you get around new york. I walk everywhere which is crazy. I'm like afraid to tell people that you a lot. If i can walk somewhere i'm gonna walk otherwise i'll take guber pool because i'm usually like with a group of people and then we split it so it's not you know whether it's nice yeah. Citi bike is great. You just have to carry your own helmet with you. It's good the exercise. It's real easy to get around. You're going to be people in cars like if you're racing someone an taking an uber slash out for people opening doors uber app like warns you of that right now because they just come out of nowhere sometimes no well. That's what we think about the doors to but the subway i mean is generally a convenient fast. Cheap option not always fast sometimes especially. If you're going long distances yeah no it's peak peak-time you can get anywhere you need to go with a subway pretty much and it's really easy with google maps and apple maps totally fully integrated yeah putting your origin destination and says you can take trainer this yeah this train and it's coming at this time and sometimes it does come when it says it's usually pretty accurate because google will map the delays elite too so it'll tell you it's four minutes delayed or whatever you have to pay attention to the exact letter because so many different trains run the same line especially in manhattan that you have to make sure that you're getting adding on the right number or letter depending on where you wanna go yeah definitely one thing i recommend if you are walking around. The city is just look up. You know don't just look straight out. Look at at the buildings because architecture is really really cool. I feel like i noticed something new every single day and i walk the exact same pack. No two buildings are identical here. Even some of the newer buildings there are some ugly new buildings. I have to say giants our that one by central park. I kind of liked that one. It's an eyesore i yeah i don't understand how it hasn't just blown over because the way it was engineered those spaces in the middle for the wind pass through. I think that's why i like the shorter buildings for the most part. I do like one world trade center. Every neighborhood has kind of like a different feel to feel it when you're walking through tale know that like the east village feels very different that operate side especially lower manhattan yeah the art deco at the chrysler building and is incredible. That's i think that's my favorite building in the city where we need take a quick break and then when we come back we're gonna talk about flight and hotel options for your trip to new york city. We are back from the break and i always get asked by my friends and friends of friends that are coming to new york. Where should i stay and i can give some recommendations when it comes to neighborhoods but nick as our resident reviews editor knows the city <hes> quite a bit better than most i would say when it comes to hotels and aware of the hotel seen a little bit. Yes yes if you wanna have like really classic new york. Stay you're staying town. They're a bunch of really good options kind of the old the old guard of new york hotels on the free side. There's a luxury collection. Property called the chat wall which is a really beautiful hotel but it's a category eight so you have to be prepared to pay up whether in points or cash and there's also the carlisle which is a rosewood hotels and not appoint so tell but if you have f- h._r. Our with your amex platinum card yeah. I don't know what the hundred dollars goes towards their but if it's food and beverage companies that are very famous bar new york city yeah but the restaurants are you good to you. I've been to the a restaurant there a few times yeah. That's a really really cool spot and then kind of more towards central park. There's the ritz carlton in central park which was just renovated a really nice property with if you even get an upgrade to a view it's unparalleled in the next two that is the j w marriott essex house which is an iconic tower has essex house written in red red neon very clearly see it from yeah sheep's meadow yup totally then we have the london which the hilton property in the same area kind of central the park south and that's going to conrad later this year i think but it's an all suite hotel thank. You don't have to be worried if i'm gonna upgrade or now right. Yes no no worries there there and of course before moving farther south have to talk about the plaza. Which is the the most iconic hotel new york. Probably i would say yeah go. Are there any eaten have the <hes> the high tea yeah that's right yeah and before we go in further south the park hyatt also on central park as a gorgeous hotel. They've got a really cool pool right really nice pool yeah. You're not gonna have great central park views because it's on the lower part of the building but the hotel itself is gorgeous and a really great value highpoints as rooms are over a thousand bucks a night all the time kind of moving further down the haida herald square while not the best area of town i would say but it has a really cool rooftop with great views of the empire state building and again. It's really easy to use high points. So that's a great option. The new moxie square yeah it does yeah someone reasonably grows. You can sometimes find rooms reflect. Ninety nine bucks an incredible hours magic hours very the carousel. It's like an adult playground. I think nah totally kid friendly and there's a new moxy in chelsea z. To which below has he's really cool. Looking restaurants are kind of open to the whole street indoor outdoor so for the summer probably really good spot and then if we get a little bit further down i mean you mentioned the gramercy park hotel in our backyard. Yeah that's right. We can see it from our fire escape our favorite housing office yeah. That's a great spot. I think it was designed by ian. Schrager is one of his hotels from back in the day but yeah it's also marriott property and even if you're not staying there if you're in the neighborhood just definitely go have have a drink have a drink walk into the lobby really cool bar and they have that amazing lebow sent which is designed for in the lobby and the rooms and you can actually buy but it's it's a really it's amazing yeah talion restaurant. That's also right by right automatic. Square park is the new york edition which is a really nice hotel and has a great bar to hang out at and have drinks after work or whatever but again a really nice place to say and use your marielle points as we go further down town. We have probably the best hotel down or one of the best hotels downtown. The beekman probably my all time favorite hotel just just to go in. It's like as a local the bar the bars awesome atriums cool and if you if you're going in the bar you're technically not supposed to but you can take the elevator up to the top top of the atrium and just get a shot. I did that exact thing also my instagram very cool alison l. but yeah elsewhere downtown the town. There's an aloft down there on wall street which is actually nice. When i lived on wall street my parents would always say the on does it was like right next door. I lived in actually really nice hotel quiet uh-huh millenium hilton we have overlooking the world trade center which has an amazing location a little tired but it's ok okay very tired exhausted and then there's another conrad over in battery park city which is a really cool hotel and there's a movie theater in there. It's a real across from like brookefield place which has a lot of amazing restaurants and super high end shopping a really good base to explore the city from there because you're also close to all a lot of subways subways and all that kind of stuff. I know i mean we we could talk about new york for hours and hours and hours and hours but we're almost out of time but i wanna give sam a chance to touch on a few of the of her favorite restaurants because sam is our resident foodie here and really knows restaurant. I just like food and i came with a list and i talk about this for like. Why don't we know okay may talk funny. Oh good well. I pretty much the pressures. There's on it. Just depends on like what you want though like there's just so many in there so many different kinds of cuisine and food that like and like what occasion you know like do you want to just like have like food after work one night or do you wanna go celebrate for someone. I wanna i'm coming. I'm coming to new york for the first time okay. I want a new york dinner. You want a new york dinner. Yeah okay if you want to be one of the budget end joe's pizza hands down the best life there's one on fourteenth and third and then there's one in the west village as well on fulton in the finance the other day guede. I i've been there like five times. It is just like the perfect perfect quintessential new york slice. My other favorite is print street pizza which is just like heaven on a paper plea actually interestingly enough one of the chefs from <hes> entry pizza just opened a shop called me to new york pizza on the upper west side. There's a little bit of pizza drama but they have those like pepperoni cops and it it's so good and then if you you want something on the more expensive n. like you really wanna like you know have a good meal carbone hands on one of the best meals in my life. Rubio says also like amazing. These are two polices that you gotta be like on top of reservations especially for carbon like it is really hard to get one so carbon is in greenwich village and then rubio says more in like the no-ho area on mulberry street so great story about rubio so really quick is <hes> my friends. Were there a few years ago. It was like the data february. Were trying to track down our uber. Obviously it's like negative agrees or something and this huge black car which we thought was ours because we ordered like an excel stops in front of the restaurant. This woman gets out and then this guy gets gets out and i'm like i know this guy like who is. He can't picture who he is. Known like thinking like is he friends with my grandpa. He was older and then my my friend says hi and the second she said hi. I'm like can i curse on shit. That's paul mccartney and so we like struck truck up a conversation with paul mccartney apparently paul mccartney the taddei pizza paul mccartney apparently goes to ruby rosa all the time so that's when you know <hes> <hes> when you know you know <hes> some of my other favorites are emily which is in the west village lilia and missy which are missy robbins restaurants. They're both in williamsburg. Liam's berg new york reservations as before are like a whole different ballgame like lilia. You have to be on razzie a month in advance at midnight or you will not get the reservation. Missy is a little bit more laid back. It's the newer of the two and reservations are a little bit easier to come by. You still have to be pretty on top of your game. Plan ahead like neither there are places that you can kind of book day or two in advance and hope for the best if you then again put that notify thing on on razzie <hes> j._j. Mellon also on real eight so so much the last time i was there because it's just so good and you need. You need to get the burger. I went oh no that oh aw look which was nice but it is also like that's not everyone burger's. What is why did you do right. I don't i don't remember if this was on the menu or not but but they're grilled cheese was unreal. We also got beacon grilled cheese which was doubly unreal do that and don't forget the cottage rise. All these places are like some incredible. It's all kind of heavier foods yeah. Are there any like sushi spots that you love so i like moya which is definitely more of like a local place. It's it's not something that like you'll see unlike the touristy sites also sugar fish even though it is from l._a. But the original one in new york at least it's two blocks away from our office and they just just open another one in soho so good <hes> causing the same food group they have hand rolls and the sushi is like super fresh quality one more. I would say sells but it's not just a beagle place like it's a bagel restaurant like it's not like essa bagel which in my opinion is completely and totally over related. It's a bagel. Does it is the spot. Don't waste your time at esa bagel. Don't wait online for a half hour. There bagels are good but they're spreads are like mediocre at best clinton street baking. I've been is 'cause. I don't wanna wait in line for three hours. I get i get i do i do. I have you know few false but getting thank you can pass the time waiting to get into your fantastic. Branch new york city is to follow me on instagram instagram. How do you know where i was going with at this sam. Where can we find you on social media. You can find me at samantha underscore rosen or sometimes i make guest appearances on zack's instagram sometimes sometimes and sometimes at the point scott the points guy. Do you help run it so i i do try to sneak myself in healing. How about how about you. I'm at kate ridler the i._t. Ridler scream and nick are you on instagram. Even it's unclear unclear now all right nick when he went to mexico city though he was posting the most incredible food frozen trader joe's delicious yeah. Can we watch a lot of tacos <hes> at nellis underscore ellis. Thank you guys for coming on safe travels to you. That's it for this episode of miles away. Thanks again to nick l. S. sam rosen and caitlyn rebel again. I'm your host zack honing this. This episode was produced by margaret. Kelly and caroline jagran with editing by ryan gamers are music by alex chef. If you've been enjoying miles away so far please subscribe rate in review on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you choose.

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Live #WITHpod with Stacey Abrams! TICKET LINK IN DESCRIPTION

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

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Live #WITHpod with Stacey Abrams! TICKET LINK IN DESCRIPTION

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Special: Danny Meyer on the wrenching decision to do layoffs

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34:53 min | 8 months ago

Special: Danny Meyer on the wrenching decision to do layoffs

"Hi Listeners it's read. Were between seasons right now but there's such disruption happening in our communities as a result of the pandemic so we're pivoting our format in the weeks ahead to bring you the insights and tools. You need right now. We're all grappling with forces that are beyond our control and we're all doing our best to contend with that today were honored to have restaurateur. Danny Meyer joining us. You'll remember Danny as the founder of shake shack and CEO of Union Square Hospitality Group which owned New York's gramercy tavern and dozens of other groundbreaking restaurants. Some of you probably know that Danny had to lay off two thousand employees last week in this special episode. We have a chance to hear. From Danny as he grapples with the impacts of the layoff and what comes next for his company and Industry Danny will be interviewed bar editor at large Bob. Sathian many of you know Bob from his eleven years as editor in Chief of Fast Company. He's now editor at large for US. At masters of scale. And I'm grateful to him for stepping into do these interviews when my schedule won't allow it. This interview was conducted remotely on Monday. With fully sanitize microphones dispatched. Bob and Danny's homes. And I should add this. Special episode is presented in partnership with the Hustle and their premium newsletter trends dot co a community and research publication helping businesses navigate. This time visit trends dot co slash scale to get started with that. I'll handed over to Bob. So let's just jump right in. You made a really difficult decision last week just a few days ago. I just wanted to start by asking you to talk about it. You know you. You have always put your employees first right. Usa EMPLOYS FIRST CUSTOMER. Second Community third investors down the road right this sort of virtuous cycle and these layoffs are obviously hard in the context of that philosophy. So I'm just curious about how you made the decision why you made it when you made it a first decision it was incredibly hard was closing a small handful in restaurants the very first week than we were really learning a lot about this in New York City because of either hearing that one of our employees was expressing flu like symptoms which all turned out to be negative but it took a day and a half to get any kind of testing results so during that day and a half week closed restaurants and threw away food and that was the same thing which was putting our people. I and putting our gas second distasteful but easy decision. In retrospect and then towards the end of that week as we started learning more and more about the need to prevent people from gathering which is counterintuitive business for in which is providing opportunities for people to gather with people we opted to close all of our restaurants and this was about three or four days before city mandated. That restaurants discontinued full-service operations. Then re said Oh. Our revenues have just gone poof. And now we're faced with this just terrible decision which is how do you both put your people. I am. Put your people out of business. How do you do that in how you? How do you reconcile those things? It just kind of forced us to stand back and say because if you're people come to worse it could be dangerous. Be there is no work and see the only way that there will be work for them when they come back is to have a company that is alive and kicking and then finally if people are laid off there is something called unemployment insurance. There is something that we have which is a very very good health plan. We found as we did a run rate that we could afford to pay our share of people's health premiums through April eleventh and that dates GonNa come and go pretty quickly but it was something and then we said all right. What else can we do? So we quickly created five. Oh One C. Three and we've been raising some pretty good funds so far by virtuous selling gift cards to anybody wants to buy them and we told our guests. We will contribute one hundred percent of all revenues to gift cards to our employees Relief Fund. So I'm fortunate to be able to say that. I've never personally experienced a round of chemotherapy but I know a lot of people who have and what they've all said is that it's a very similar kind of awful choice. Which is that in order to be alive. You have to almost kill yourself. I know that that sounds really really extreme but this is in a weird way business version of Chemotherapy. And we just really hope it works. Did you start thinking about this at home and come in one day and get your team around you and say like this is what I think we need to do or? Was this something where you aren't sure what to do. And how did the team come up with this this solution? This approach the framework of enlightened hospitality. Which is as you said is the prioritization of our stakeholders and really believing in this virtuous cycle has always been the framework. That's helped me to get my head around my heart around how to solve problems. And I think that when we talk about this virtuous cycle putting our people I in our customers second community third suppliers for investors V. It is truly a cycle. If you break anywhere you've broken. The whole thing has at the end of the day. The only way I know to really take great care of your employees is to make sure that overtime they are growing both professionally financially. And so if you don't have happy investors all bets are off but it's really about the inputs how many. I and I would say especially when times are tough any kind of economic crises or it could be. What do you do during a hurricane? Could be what do you do during a terrorist attack as we had in two thousand and one that it's especially important to us that framework so the framework helps but I don't go into any meeting knowing the answers? I often go into a meeting with a strong point of view but I really have worked hard to surround myself with really smart people and breaking that group into the right teams and making sure that everybody was curious enough to get external information and bring some combination of what they've learned at what their hardest telling them to a meeting. I think we make our best decisions. We often make mistakes. We often make course corrections every single day of this crisis. We've honored the work we did yesterday and found all the ways. We could have done better knowing what we know today. This is especially at time. I think for leaders to taken in be decisive be open shift be nimble but never lose sight of your core values because the thing I know for sure the only thing I know is assuming this thing is over one day and I could not possibly believe more strongly than it will be over. I do not believe that this is the thing that's going to end the world. I think we're going to get back to something someday. Okay we don't know when we unfortunately don't know how many lives will take in the meantime but if you believe that it's going to be over then I think is crucially important to say when you look back at how you behaved and who you were and who your organization was you want to look back and say we were true to ourselves and we didn't do things that are hurt regrets and so that. I've had to make course corrections even there because sometimes my heart speaks up in my mind with today's information quashes. What my heartfelt can you give me an example of something that you started one way and went the other way because I think a lot of leaders are trying to manage this balance between patients because things are moving so fast and decisiveness as you talk about right like those both ends. Well here's an example when you're doing massive layoffs and you've never done before I mean we've laid off people in the thirty five years I've been at business. Of course we have but my guess is. I don't think we ever laid off more than three or four people at one time. This was two thousand people last week. You want approach that in a one-size-fits-all manner because you go. How can you begin to make exceptions for anything? And we've been doing a lot of communicating with our team both the people who have been retained which is very small number as of today. It's one hundred forty seven people out of what used to be. I think closer to twenty two hundred so I think we actually laid off slightly more than two thousand people so you communicate as well as you can and this is also because we are all forced to be far away from each era so your heart says I would play off anybody looking at in the eye on conversation but you got two thousand people who cannot be together in the same room. How do you do that? And how do you manage to show authentic compassion for people via zoom? I mean thank goodness. We have some way where we can see one another. But I can't have dialogues with everybody. You can't have two thousand people having a dialogue. Even their bosses can't have a hundred dialogues with people or whatever it may be so an example we did all of our run rates and we said you know if we the day that we did these layoffs. We told everybody we are going to pay through the following workweek and later not that costs a lot of times that people and then furthermore we said. And we're going to give everybody a Pto Day and if and when you come back to the company which we certainly hope you will all of your benefits will be in place as they were all of your personal time off bank will be exactly where it was and as I said earlier we made another run rate decision and we said let's absolutely. Hey our share people's healthcare premiums through April eleventh. Now that's a lot of money to do that. In felt like a good one size fits all and the very next day I received a very very heartfelt email from some our team who loves our company her due date for her baby which was supposed to be the happiest day of her life coincided with what would be the end of her ability to pay her healthcare premiums and furthermore one of the reasons she had joined our company was the relative to most other businesses in our industry restaurants especially independent restaurants. The family leave policy that we have was something that was attractive and the happiest day. Happiest Month of her life was now all of a sudden something that she deeply feared. And so that gave me pause and I said you know what I may regret. Having an exception to what we're doing but I will never regret doing the right thing for that person and so let's find a way to do it and that's what we said all right. Well that's what we should be using our employees relief fund for it just forces you to go. Yeah it's a mistake probably to start making exceptions on a group policy. But that doesn't mean you can't come up with another solution for the benefit of human beings and so that's what spawned the idea of the employees relief fund or. You already had it and you realize Oh. This is the thing I could use it for. The fact of the matter is that this is one of these things where we had come up with this idea probably two or three years ago because every year whether we like it or not will learn that maybe they had a house fire. Maybe there was a massive flood in their basement. Maybe someone in their family got sick. And so in a case by case basis we would then get their restaurant community together and do a gofundme me or something like that and so for the past two or three years. We've said we should really have a not for profit employees fund where we conceded. I concede with my own funding. And then we can also invite all employees if they want to to contribute back a week. Let's say that adds up with a lot of employees and start to see that growth so we had really been dragging our feet on that for the last two or three years but we already had thought about it enough to have the framework in place and so really the minute we started talking about this number of layoffs. We said this is the time. Let's fast track this thing and our legal department in our people department really did a great job of collaborating together. And that's when we put together our fund and that's when we decided how to fund that fund and I said I'm GonNa give all my compensation to that fund and that's when we started selling gift cards to our regular guests and giving a one hundred percent of those revenues to the fund. And now as I see. We're in the process of doing all that we can get really really nimble so that people now how to apply to get the aid they need in a way that is simple and fast and yet it's not easy because with two thousand people everybody needs something and we. WanNa make sure to do it. In the fairest quickest postlewait. There's a board that we put together. Which is a legal requirement and on that border lots and lots of employees? I'm not on that or for example. I want people to be making good decisions for people you know. I think there are some folks who when the news first came out about all the layoffs that some of the surprise was well Union Square Hospitality Group. It's so successful and given the pressure that you felt and you needed to react to. What do you think? The implications are for the hospitality industry overall. I mean I know. Two thousand people is a lot but it's a small number relative to the number of people working in hospitality. Yeah I think I think most people don't really understand the magnitude of our industry and they don't understand the way we do business and so maybe I can just share a couple of those things I think unlike the. Let's say the airline industry where anybody. Who's listening to this right? Now can name all the major carriers in the United States. And you know that's a big industry company people they move every day. What if I were to tell you that? The restaurant industry is much harder to get your arms around. Because they're six hundred sixty thousand restaurants not five major carriers. And what if I were to tell you that we employ more people in the airline and we feed more people every day in the airline industry flies every single day and we buy more products and help more people pay rent now. If you want to unwind what I just told you it blows my mind how inefficient our industry is. Because in order to produce the revenues we produce it takes so many more human beings than say Tech Industry. The tech industry can make a dollar was a tiny fraction of the number of people hired than it takes to run a restaurant. Restaurant is basically a manufacturing company with a salesroom. Attached shoe manufacturing plants the kitchen and the sales room the dining room. And furthermore we're in the real estate business and were renting spaces mostly in locations. You would never put a manufacturing plant in fact our Real Estate Costner. Labor costs make us a very very inefficient business and yet really one of the nation's most important employers and that's why even a company like ours and even the big chains which you would say well that's a public company. They should have all the money in the world. Guess what the economics of our business are such that if you have no revenues you just can't keep the lights on it. Takes those revenues to Eke out. What on a good day for most restaurants is a ten percent margin? That's a good day. So now imagine restaurants that are on a five percent margin or three percent margin once this crisis hit revenues. Went Pouf but you still have fixed costs so even if you off one hundred percent of your team which is horrible because now how do we get back in business? And how do we know that the government is GonNa take care of the people who got laid off? What about your other obligations? The landlord didn't stop charging rent. The tilleke company Said Not Stop Charging for utilities. The bank has not stopped charging us for loans. Interestingly literally at the eleventh hour when our big monthly sales tax bill came to for New York State and allowed our right as we were handing the Czech government. The government said Governor. Cuomo said yes. What good news. Three months delay on paying that tax. But it's literally a day to day penny decision that companies are making and I wish I could put it more clearly than this but what we need to get to. The end of. This is money in the bank. And we're also going to need our talent and so this notion of laying off your talent in order to have money in the bank. Something's got to give because that equation ultimately is not GonNa get us where we all need to get to. Do you have any clarity or insight? About what the implications of all this are for shake shack. I mean this is a business that you helped found. Obviously and it's got all of the same kinds of financial dynamics that you describe for Union Square hospitality. Restaurants are restaurants shake shack has an exceptional leadership team and is making the exact same kind of decisions that every other restaurant makes except that I would say that as a business that grew out of units whereas Pataudi before became a separate public company. The value system is exactly the same and shake. Shack is making decisions with the exact. Same stakeholder model and shake shack has a strong balance sheet and I trust that with some really tough decisions along the way shake. Shack will prevail. You GotTa say both realistic and optimistic at the same time. Reality at this moment in time is not fun to contend with. But if you believe you will be in business on the other end than every decision you make starts to take a slightly different framework in other words. How does this decision today? Increase our odds not only surviving but of being an even better position. This comes out. Let's face it. There will be a number of businesses. That don't come back after this and I would say in our industry. Perhaps the percentage will be greater than many many other industries because once we lose a day of revenue. It's just gone. How can I say this if I were about to buy a new car today and I go? Now's not a great time to buy a new car. Well when this is done. I'm probably GONNA buy a car. I'm probably going to buy that car. I'm not going to buy a car every four years. But the car manufacturer in a certain way or the car company is delaying revenues and profits. We just lose it if you don't have that dinner. You're not going to have dinner that Tuesday night dinner three months from now. You're going to have that Tuesday night dinner and not at my restaurant. You're hot you you may cook it. Fried GROCERY STORE OR WHATEVER. But we're just looking at the other side and sank when this is dawn we will have some opportunities if we're really smart to reverse some of the hardest things over the over. The past four years have been recruiting great talent because unemployment has been so amazingly low. It's been hard to recruit great. I'm actually looking forward to the day if we get to the other side and I'm being as humble as I can because you and I could be having a whole different talk Sunday which I would like not to have about how this didn't work but if we're fortunate enough to get to the other side I'd like to be in a position to hire even more people and really think positively about. What did we learn in our industry that could make us any more effective any efficient business model than we are right now. You mentioned new. York State Governor Cuomo deferring the payment of taxes. When you think about the plans for the future. Do you plan on anticipate any certain kinds of government support or help. Do you think that should be there or do you just have to make your plans decisions based on that? You're going to be on your own. Well that's a great question. We're planning have nothing will happen and hoping that a lot will happen or planning. I think we're planning all kinds of different models you and I don't know this is going to be done when our ballparks going to be safe to go to again we're we're in a lot of ballparks. I don't know when is it going to be saved to host your family reunion that you canceled because it didn't feel safe because Chile is older than sixty five. Whatever we're planning models for life that our revenues regain their their former level still June July August September October. And try to ask ourselves if the government did nothing where we say one thing if the government doesn't take her people the people have been laid off the massive numbers of people. I'm hearing numbers are in the millions. My two thousand people multiplied by not all of the six hundred sixty thousand restaurants in America employers many people's renew but let's say on average each employed only fifty people. You can do the math right there. It's it's a ton of people and so what I hope more than anything is that those people have a roof over their heads and food on their plate and they're healthy because we're going to need them back in the workforce and if they're not well all bets are off and as far as the businesses concern. I just wish that there were a way to freeze our cost structure. Exactly where it is. There's a couple ways to do it. Number one is reimburse us for everybody that stays on our payroll because if they're offer payroll someone else's paying for him. I I'd rather be paying them to do something productive than to have them not be able to work number two. I think if the government could freeze all of our other fixed costs during this time so long as we commit to hiring people back and getting into business. That would really help a lot when you're on massive scale earlier one of the conversation topics was about your dad and the experience you had of him going through bankruptcies and I'm curious whether in this climate that occurs to you whether the idea of bankruptcy not necessarily for Union Square Hospitality Group. Because obviously you're trying to avoid anything like that but whether they're stigma around that that would be different whether they're laws around that that would be different enough. You've thought about reflected on that experience at all. I haven't thought for a second about laws or stigma but I would I have thought about is my dad and I've thought about how I've really worked hard over many many years to try to learn from the good stuff. He did learn from some of the mistakes he made. The good stuff has served me really really well I think. He cared deeply about serving people in his business. He was a great entrepreneur. Came up with interesting ideas that other people hadn't thought of and I think that is businesses. Were all connected to hospitality and travel and so I learned a lot from him there but I also learned a couple of things not to do mostly that had to do with scaling with the wrong team. I will say that I have thought about the implications when talk about enormous number of businesses in our industry. That will probably not be business. As I said earlier I don't have the Hubris to say that it couldn't be it could be us. I really don't believe that but I'd say if anything I'm going into triple quadruple overtime trying to learn the lessons about what not to do that. My Dad did 'cause I don't WanNa go down that path. I saw that felt like as son and I saw what it felt like as his family and I saw what it felt like for the people who worked for him. This gets back to the first thing. We said the trying to reconcile laying people off for the purpose of making sure their job is there. It's a weird equation but it's the bitter medicine that we're taking right now and I will certainly do everything I can to make. Sure we're there on the other side of this and that we thought yeah I mean it is painful and I know in some ways counter intuitive about it but if you want to be around tomorrow I mean a lot of executives. I think are faced with this challenge. How do I balance my burn rate with my human obligations? I'd like to say a couple of very very hopeful and positive things. And that's what this has provoked in. A lot of people is love this whole thing. I've had and I'm sure you have in your listeners. Have as well so many people who are reaching out? And maybe it's a quick text or maybe it's an email or maybe it's a phone call only wish. I had time to be more thoughtful in all of my responses but the number of people who say I'm just thinking about you. It feels really really good. This is reminding us of that even though this is a time when we are being told not to come together we are finding ways to join together one of the many emails that I was heartened by the CEO Hertz. Rent a car saying how could our cars be helpful to your desire to feed people and I mean that's one of many but that's a really touching kind of thing. Yeah people who have an abundance of something are writing with opportunities to help a lot of people believe it or not having abundance jobs to offer right now and so we're able to post on our company Internet. Were those jobs are? It's amazing that there are some businesses right now that are actually doing quite well and they need help and so. I just love the opportunity to match their need with the needs. Some of our laid off employees right. Now listen I the thing that I hear over and over mostly is that people wanna know what they can do to help. They don't always know what they can do. But they want to be available and it's great that they're coming to to reveal themselves or to help out some of your employees in this time all right. I'm GONNA ask you. It's a very different topic whether you're worried at all about supply chain shortages in the food business whether there are any things that you think. Entrepreneurial ideas in agriculture could do to help that. Well I think to a degree. Were concerned about a lot of our suppliers because while some of them are able to turn on a dime and whatever. They're not selling to us. They might be selling to grocery store or to an online grocer or something like that. But there's a lot of small artisans that are not selling nearly as much right now. The fishermen for example the doctor table fishermen who fish for things just for our restaurants. They don't have contracts with whole foods. Let's say and so yeah. I'm concerned about them. I would love to do is to say. This country was smart enough to beat the disease. The virus in this country was smart enough to beat the economic mess it costs and so in order to beat the virus. I think we all know that we have to change our behavior in ways that we never thought we would mostly having to do with people being with people. In order to get the economy jump started. I would take any day a sacrifice that said my behavior changed about being with people but my willingness to forgo prophets for however long. This takes is exactly what I should be contributing to the economic recovery. The only thing is I just don't think it'll help our economic recovery if I go out of business and I'm speaking now for every so if we come out on the other side saying okay that was a crappy year for Prophets. But here we are. And we've got a workforce and we've got a business that would be a great outcome and that patience on the part of investors as well to recognize that just because things don't look good right now doesn't necessarily mean that that is no longer worth supporting. Yeah exactly right. It is clear how wrenching this decision. And this time is for you. Have you heard back from specific employees about how they feel about this? Do they get the sort of difficult tradeoff that you're trying to work through? I think so. I've had a small handbook people who actually rid man say which kind of blew my mind. I'm actually concerned about you. Danny and it's like now. This is what I'm here to do and this is a moment for leadership for sure. I miss our team. That's my over Wyoming and prevailing feeling. Most of us who fell calling to this business did so because we liked being with people. We like you exit. Make people feel better and so I can't wait to be able to. There will be a day. I cannot wait for where the email goes outside. We need you come back. Please cannot wait for that. Well I can't wait for it either. I can't wait to be back eating at your restaurant. So thank you. Masters of scale is a wait. What original the show is reported on site in California and produced at the Studio Inside S. y? Partners in New York are executive producers are June Cohen. And Darin trip our producers. Are Chris McLeod Adam skews Genitalia Jordan McLeod Katherine Clark Ray Halley Bondy and then Manila? Our supervising producer is J. When Javale music and sound design by Ryan Holiday and Daniel Nissenbaum mixing and mastering by Brian? Pugh special thanks to Chris. Yeh Schreiber David Sanford Seda. Sappy over Bob Safey Cristina Gonzales and Salmon Visit Masters scale dot com to find the transcript for this episode. And be sure to subscribe to our email newsletter.

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"Hi everyone. Welcome back to that on paper PODCAST. I'm Grace Atwood Eyelid. And I'm Becker Friedman today. We have an amazing guests for you. We say that all the time but we have amazing guests. We also were having technical difficulties. This is third. Try at an intro. Yes because back. I did not plug in my mic or my headphones. In the second time we did it we just had nothing to say so we did a better job. The third time was a charm. Yeah Yeah but we have. Lauren Chan with us today yes. Lauren is a friend. I'm obsessed with her obsessed test with her brand. She's fantastic and I think this is a really great interview so I think you as are really gonNa love it But before we talk about her we're GonNa talk about US Beca. What's your high this week? My high is on a specific level on Sunday. We took ourselves out to a fancy dinner to celebrate a podcast download milestone that we've set for ourselves and we went to the gramercy tavern and we did the tasting menu and it was really special because I'd never been there and it was delicious but I like this new tradition that we have that we set a milestone and like two or three times a year. You're like big enough that it's not every month that we're headed but you know something big and we get to take ourselves somewhere. Fancy Yeah it's really fun and the gramercy almost almost gramercy theatre. The grammar seats have earn. Tasting menu was to die for so good and I also feel like because we have the podcast together. I don't get to hang out with you one on one as a friend as much anymore. Yeah our always working. Yeah it's like I see you enough. We don't need one other one plans as has often so it was nice to go to dinner with you. Yeah it was great. You're a great dinner date and then just on a macro level. I'm just feeling very proud of us. We this is the first episode that we recorded since we finished our live show tour and we we did twelve shows. This year the pompous grown so much. I'm just I'm a proud mama bear air. Yeah I'm proud of us to what is your high. Well my highest definitely the dinner and definitely. Oh if you guys fall my instagram but guess this who got her Dunkin ad. That was really exciting for me. So my Dunkin ad went up this past weekend. If you saw it you saw that I am full on rocking. Taking the Dunkin March they sent me a fleece onesie. They sent me joggers. Oh my God it was. I mean it just a life high having all this Dunkin Mart art and getting paid to wear it was pretty cool too. I hope he did a really good job so that they become a podcast sponsor. A whole all we want is for Dunkin to sponsor the PODCAST. I don't even know where to begin. It was hard enough to find someone to give me an instagram ad. Well hopefully you really impressed them. Yeah Dunkin if you're listening we want you what. What about on the low side on the low side? I just got really bad cold and unlike the timing could not be worse because this week and last week were like my two busiest weeks of the year for the blog. So I've had so many deadlines and deliverables and things do two different brands. I work with and I just frankly frankly don't feel like doing any of it. I WANNA be under a blanket like chicken noodle soup. I also feel the weather's turned. It's really cold now so I feel like I'm not even sick. It's actually winter. It's it's early November. Still we record this. We had to turn off the heat to record this so it didn't make noise in the background. Do we do that last year. Sure I think so. It's always do as I warm up the apartment like really good Before you come over it's GonNa be a long winter. We're going to be so cold recording. I know I've I've got slippers on right now. Big Sweater the lows. I also learned about the word cold snap. I didn't know that was a thing how `bout cold snap you. Have you never watched the weather. Yeah a cold front is what we call it in the northeast apparently New York. It's cold snap. I feel like that was a a knowledge gap. That's not. I think that most people I nap this is new. I didn't know what it was. Are you going to ask me my lower show distributed you just share. I'm I have no interest in. UROLOGIC can K- cool lows a bullshit. Low what do you mean. Say you're low okay. My low is that I am reading being a series of bullshit low. That is ruining my life. It's not a bullshit low. It's so funny so in last week's episode assode two weeks ago episode. Either Chan recommended the throne of glass series and it is something that had been recommended to me so many times times and finally I was like fine. She was the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm GonNa read these read the first one a few weeks ago. Thought it was fine was not super super compelled to WANNA keep reading a seven part series so I put that on my instagram story and some of you listeners slash instagram followers. DMZ Gene. We're like you have to keep going. I kept going and now I can't stop. I read books to through five in the period of a week week last week Greece. I got anything I got done was like under bribery. I read during the day like everything I did was like fifteen fifteen months work. Fifteen minutes of Reading fifteen minutes four minutes of reading I was so unproductive over the weekend. My goal was to finish the series so that it was just done. Yeah but then I downloaded book. Five seven hundred pages. Oh my dear Lord so I read one of the books last weekend but now I have six and seven to go. It's it's like I'm enjoying because it's like that sucked in feeling but I'm also just like trying to get through it where I don't I'm like not even I didn't really enjoying it. I'm just need to know what happens on. It's like a compulsive thing. It's ruining my life is all I want to do that. That is so funny. I'm taking it a forced break this week. It is Wednesday so I haven't been allowed to read them since Sunday and I'm not allowed to read them until well. I read our book. I reread our book club book for this month. I'm like there's rules and regulations. You gotTa have some rules. Oh my Guy Hi friend. I just. Don't WanNa get sucked in that. You can't idea of you this to me because I don't I am not reading all seven until you do. No I'm not. I refuse well before we get into the interview. I know it's a couple of weeks late in real time because we recorded a couple of the episodes right before we did our New York show but this is the first time a recording since our Dallas. New York live shows. Yeah we we We had to do a few things in advance. Because we've been traveling so much on my God first of all the New York show was. I think that was our best show we've ever done. It was my favorite. I thought it was our bigger show. Venue capacity wise and also like New York so fun because we are friends are here so we just like can get such cool people. Yeah we had Emma Straub. WHO's one of my favorite authors? We'd Katya story now. Hunter McGrady who were fantastic. We had Mary are in an Ashley. Heseltine opened the show. From girl's gotta eat. Oh my God and the best part was Raina was behind backstage with US hanging out and she's like can I be voice of God. 'cause voice a God who is comes on announces the show and or Announces Ashley and Rena was like can I be the voice of God and we're like why not she got so much joy out out of that it was really fun. Newark was the best. It was so much fun then. Dallas was interesting. Wait can we just like bitch about Dallas us a little bit. Everyone on that tour was except the hotel everyone. The theme of that trip was everyone being mean to us. I don't WanNa complain about that it because I feel like it's unprofessional but what I will complain about is just the funniness of we were at the House of Blues and they have two rooms uh-huh two spaces and the other Concert was a gangster rap group And just as you could imagine very different audiences we had like teens and crop tops. And then like cute girls in their thirties with headbands and like lots of J. Crew. Yeah apparently Bentley. People kept getting kicked out of the other show because they were under eighteen. We were like we don't have that problem. Yeah and then it was really funny is so Hausa. Blues has two different rooms and so they they warn us and these are the larger room. We've just this rap concert Blah Blah Blah. But we figured because you know it's music. I knew the other room has to be soundproof. Right not really no our chairs were shaking onstage. Anyone who came to Dallas. Thank you for being such a good sport. I think it was still fun. It was one of my favorite panels that we did. It was fun group. People as a woman weird circumstances from Dallas is also great because we got to see merit. She took us to dinner. We had a really naive to loom. Our hotel was incredible. We stayed at the statler. Oh yeah the statler was great More downtime because they're rooftop pool situation it wasn't pool weather but just like having drinks by. Yeah it was so nice. The Room Service Menu had like five thousand items on it like. Oh yeah it was crazy. You could get anything you've ever 'cause they have five restaurants and bars ars the property so for room service you can just order from any of them yeah. It was like being in a cheesecake factory. It was like pages and pages and pages yes and I guess the last thing is Abe hotels. The Bathtub was amazing. So I didn't take a bath there. I had three. Yeah so Dallas was great. New York was great This live show tour was great. All good things to say. Do we have a desperation minute because we talked about live shows. What do you think we've review okay? That's it now now. Let's talk to Lauren okay. So today we have. Lauren Chan with us in. Lauren is the founder and CEO of Henning. which is a new luxury womenswear brand for plus size women that launched in September So prior to starting heading. Lauren was a fashion editor at Glamour magazine where she had a monthly column on plus size fashion and she's he's also a model that has been seen on the runways of chroma eleven honore and was on the cover of the first issue of bundles. Magazine finally learned as a proud Canadian. How do pretty good pretty good Canadian? I didn't see that Nebraska. I love that that was the fun fact that you pulled out about me mentioning you. You are last book was about Canadian woman so it all it all goes together really. What was that how could she buy? Lauren meckling okay data. It's about three women who spent their early twenty s in Toronto and then end up in New York Working in media. You recommended this to me this summer and I did not get around onto it. Yes I remember. You pitching it with the bent that it was you. Can you. God we can send you off the copy deal and lipstick the the two things I have to remember for the end. Great Wait Lauren. We introduced you but can you tell us in your own words who you are and kind of the elevator pitch of how you got where you you are from college to today. Sure so after I graduated college in Canada I moved directly to New York. I wanted to be a fashion editor very badly. They Because I had grown up in love with fashion magazines but that visas very hard to get and so I ended up taking a another route and I was a plus size model and so I worked doing that for a number of years here and I was interning at the same time at fashion magazines and designers offers end at PR agencies everywhere that I could to basically educate myself and get out bear and so I kind of had two different worlds in my life. I had the plus size section of fashion and at the time it was not a body positive conversation. In culture there was no Ashley the Gramm as our icon and so it was very much in the corner of the industry and then I was at places like the FDA an interview where it was his fashion with a capital F and so those two worlds of really separately for a long time. Until I later got to glamour where I was the fashion features editor and I felt felt like it was time to bring them together. And so like you mentioned while I was there I had a column on size inclusivity. What else we were we? I was on TV talking about Size and diversity and fashion. I designed to number of clothing collections with Glamour Lane Bryant and I really found my stride there and at the end of my time at Glamour. I knew that I wanted to do something bigger. And more impactful And that's how hitting this born. An so heading is all of the things that I wish that I could have worn during that time that I just never had access to. We're going to talk more about that but I want to start with your modeling days Okay Yeah I realized as I was saying that I was probably answering. A question for questions done does a fine but how does one get into modeling. You you went to college and then you've graduated and you're like well. Visas are hard all become a model so my logic was that if my job skill had to be unique enough enough to be granted a visa I e different and better than ever Americans as a writer. That's very hard to prove. But but if your job skill is kind of what you look like then it makes sense that you would need to outsource interest. Yeah right okay so we had you done any modelling no no. I literally my dad and I drove to New York from Toronto and I went to afford models open call and I got signed that day. Well my guide. That's the store and so in the early days of your modeling career. You said that it was very separate from the capital fashion world. What were the types of jobs that you are getting? Yes so at the time plus size modeling was very commercial. And so I was working for me sees and I. I was working for target and eloquently and And now of course you have incredible models who are completely crossed over into the quote unquote proper fashion space. They're shooting CR Fashion Book. They're walking the runway at Michael Kors there in Paris fashion week And they're landing advertisements heisman for incredible major brands Whether it's h Nem or Alexander McQueen and so that was definitely not the case back then it was like if you gotTa Lean Brian Contract you were top dog. It's so different now. It's so different now and it's only I been. I mean it's been under ten years. Yeah what do you think's driving that social media I think that the fact that there's there's a platform that we can voice our demands show our support show companies how we look as a demographic in terms of numbers Creator on images. All that out all of those things show the validity of the plus size market. Yeah but even instill a lot of designers are really hesitant like is it. Why do you think that is? It's hard I mean I I can tell you firsthand now because I have brand right But it's hard and so that is such a long conversation. I feel like there are so many reasons. I spent a lot a lot of years reporting on it As a fashion journalist but first of all designers and brands just don't want to because plus as women aren't not seen as aspirational or luxury loops or luxurious. I guess I I wanted to say both words and I said neither. And then the finances of it are so difficult and a lot of these brands have been around for a while and they have bottom lines and they have financial structures structures in so to you know put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a project that they might not really want to do I don't know how it's GonNa perform and there are so many variables I could see why it doesn't make sense like I can understand what the very small guys where where you'll only have so many dollars you have to be smart report your first dollars and so they know that they wanna put it into straight size but then with some of their really big brands like it's really surprising that like I don't understand why Diane von Furstenberg hasn't created a plus size line yet so I get the thing about the small brands ends and I. When I was a journalist I used to back off a little? Yeah with the pressing questions when they would say listen to that. This is what we can afford to do. with the big brands. Go if you really look. into the structure of the companies there are often owned by parent companies that are doing well Or they have brands within the parent company. That aren't doing well and so Overall the corporate vibe is that it's not a time to take risks. Yeah Okay and so then. It's very hard I imagined in those environments to pitch a project project that is such an incredible undertaking. Interesting thought about that. Because you look at like all comes down to business and they're so small and they're just just like if you wanna be inclusive you just fucking do it right but there are ten of brands who are championing that right now. Who didn't do it for a number of years as well and so there's has no saying that as you mentioned Diane von Furstenberg won't be doing it soon to yeah okay? 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So I wanNA talk about the chrome show which I know for you is like a very repave atoll moment in your career that kind of touches on modeling and then kind of has a lot to do with where he went next. Can you tell us about that. I mean I know about this because I'm your friend but like I don't know the story and I and she said that it's a good one. Oh Yeah I guess it was good press what was bad press that turned turn to press but mentally good story not good just to clarify like ha ha not ha- So I sorry. I walked in the chrome show in September. Twenty seventeen I believe mm-hmm and at the time I was a size eighteen twenty and it's a swim brand so I was wearing a swimsuit and I went down the runway And and it was awesome. It was a great experience the designers a friend. The brand is incredible. They absolutely set the bar in the gold standard for diversity and inclusion in fashion not just in in America but across the world and so I felt proud and excited and just honored to be included and then the pictures of the show hit the Internet and people were not into me particularly and so I had yeah and it was my first experience with that what and so I think that there were twenty thousand likes and comments On my own personal picture which at the time I had under ten thousand followers it was it was crazy Good ones or bad ones. They started good and then they got really negative. I think that would happen. Is it got put on the discover page for fashion week because Yes discover will spin out stories four fashion week and so it got taken outside of my Echo Chamber of support anybody positivie and all that good stuff and so yeah. I was my first go at being seriously trolled on the Internet. So Glamour made a public statement in my aid support in defense. The editor in chief Glamour did as well the founder and designer of chroma. Well Matt did as well and then I think it was covered by Yahoo. Everything from Yahoo Business insider so it was quite a splash. I ended up with ten ten thousand followers out of it. Total twenty so it was definitely my biggest jump ever and I think that I don't know I don't know why people people were so into it into into my page thereafter but It taught me a lot like put you on the map but I mean how did it feel in the a moment where you able to brush off. I mean it was. It was a really weird out of body feeling. No I was not able to brush off. I had to put my phone down for a few days. Yeah yeah and I was like asking a scrub my friend. Who is Very big in the body positively space on how. She deals with that kind of stuff because she gets it really badly and Because in my friend precious the same thing and everybody kind of had different advice and that was the best thing I knew how to do is to ask people how they deal with it but nobody has a hard and fast answer right right like you WanNa be like fuck it. It doesn't matter to me but of course when people are saying personal things aimed at you and it's on your page and you can't avoid it. Oh it's invasive it gets under your skin. It doesn't stop the phone. Yeah we've got really just I think not. I turned comments off eventually. Yeah that's gotta be so stressful and so easy to give someone else advice Mikko. Just brush it off when it's happening to you in the moment and like your social media is exploding. That must've been so hard. Yeah I mean I eventually responded I wonder if I can pull it up or if I hit it from the world on the Internet but I oh God I should admit this. I wrote my response tipsy in the back of an Uber birther and by then I was like very much like fuck this. Fuck you if you feel this way. Women don't have to look a certain way and if you know I want to walk down the runway in a bathing suit. I'm going to do it and it's not GonNa Bother me so it absolutely doesn't now and that's how I feel now but I think like a week of processing but it also like brought ah community together around you of people that wouldn't have happened otherwise there there is a silver lining but it also really sucks. Yeah and it was also such a learning in reminding me but that I am in a safe space as a small fat person As somebody who is considered a against S. beautiful at the moment which side note this leading because uh somebody who's mixed race and is darker skin for Chinese person and freckled and not not curvy. That was not always the case But also who is in fashion in New York. Where now body positivity is cool? It was a really good reminder that not everybody who lives in a body that is not accepted by society lives in a space that they can be themselves and be happy all the time and unfortunately it sometimes takes something like that to remind us of of of the place that we are as big women in this world. We'll motivated me. I WanNa talk about body image. Because you know you've been so open about how all your sizes fluctuated and like it. Sounds like modeling. Was An empowering experience for you in some ways but like how totally shitty and others. Yeah how is it going to your body like how did you feel about your body growing up. Like how bottling change it. How does it feel well now? I when I was growing up I was an athlete. Play Basketball Yeah. I played basketball. Also do I. It was a different. I never thought about my body as a commodity in terms of being attractive to men or selling clothes or being being aspirational. It was like how strong or you. How tall are you done with your money? I think about my running track include on countries. I never even thought about like it was all my clothes. Don't if I grew so I just need a bigger size like it wasn't like yeah all the shame in like bad thoughts. Yeah Yeah I mean. Sports is something that is really really unfortunate that when we turn into adults it just goes away. Yeah for so many reasons but Yeah I how did I feel about my buddy growing up. It was was the second part of the question. How modelo basketball did modeling affects how you felt about your body? Oh at first. It was really good because I I was so honored to be on board with sorry at an agency with Ashley. Graham and precious Lee and Chris O.. Rien candace how fine and to be called a plus size model and have peers like that was so incredibly empowering and motivating invalidating a lot of ways You know and then you go through this mental thing where you're making money because you are plus size and that feels really good. Feels like a fuck you to everybody who told you big you know but then and you kind of start working more in your on said and people are putting padding on you to make you curvy in the right places or the samples. Don't fit and there are some whispers or that's so interesting even models. Don't have the perfect body like we're even altering your body like we've chosen you because you are not you necessarily but like the proverbial model you because you are like the most ideal and then it's like you're not ideal enough that's not new information though. And that's the exact argument. There's a main legs of now. There's a famous Cindy Crawford quote that tomorrow as like even syndergaard for doesn't wake up looking like Cindy Crawford. Well I know that but I didn't know about patting. Oh I didn't know about patting. Yes so there's already put it. There's a plus is ideal as well and so you know that's around us is fourteen in hourglass. It'll say yeah and so here waist look smaller and then patting him your but in your in your chest. Chess generally hips hips. And but yeah yeah so making a wider interesting. Okay Okay Yeah. Nothing's ideal no. It's all fake. It's so crazy and you know you could be the most famous supermodel title in the world. Who has a size zero? You could have all the plastic surgery the that you can afford. You could go to set and be picked of all the models in the world world you'd be picked and then you'll have two hours of hair and makeup and then you'll have the closed tailored to your body on set and then they'll still take all day to get the right photo and then after that befo shop the photo you know it's just we might as well use robots. It's insane it is depressing but like also kind of just a little bit weirdly uplifting to hear that because I tell as many people yeah I'm going to be on the street corner soon with a sign that said nothing is real. I descend into madness. Even if you're Cindy Crawford or somebody you like you're still gonNA get retouched for a full day in like told to stand at a different angle and like yeah yeah the padding is so interesting listings Yeah the plus size ideal Israel and they want. A lot of brands have traditionally wanted models. That don't have a lot of weight in their face. So that's they book girls who are sized twelve fourteen but in the samples come in and they're an eighteen. Because that's what size you fit on and so They'll pad your waist out or your your hips and in lower waste and Bam out two sizes which is a lot So that you still look like you have a trim face trim limbs. That's so interesting and that blink about it no plus size models reflect well away that population I was gonna say even. I don't know if this was when you were in modeling but you know there's even and like six eight is even like part of the plus the thing with plus I had this. I actually had this conversation this morning and I I. I decided to politely bow the conversation because I just couldn't explain it anymore but maybe you'll understand what I'm saying. Let's try it. I think that plus size when it comes to fashion models and clothing should be called like one thing and plus size when it comes to like people if you even want to call it that or the way that people interact with fashion on the outside of the industry should be another thing because it's not apples to apples but we use the same term and so when we're talking and we're using that word plus it just means above average so if you're talking about models and the average model is assigned to four then yes I. Six eight is above average. You know when you're talking thing about clothing runs as it pretend people who shop at malls and the average clothing run is a size zero to twelve or fourteen than fourteen or sixteen is plus interesting interesting and so it's unfortunate that it's the same word. Yeah and no matter if the word was plus or curve or orange you know because when I used easterbrook models for photo shoots and if you ever need models for photo shoots yeah like you said when you were okay like when I worked in At the Denham brand I used took models or like I guess we never really used models at Bolivar book shoots for Lola early. Would Y as I didn't didn't realize that that's what you were doing everything and whenever you wanted like somebody who felt like quote unquote real like you would have have to look at their curve board. Because there wasn't anyone on their like just like regular board you know like the waifish model. Yeah real real bad word to use a bad word to those Kinda shitty everybody except for the room and I'm talking about bigger. I don't know what's the right word to say. You know what I say. I just say whatever sized talking about so if I'm asking a campaign and I need a size eighteen because my samples a size eighteen anita size eighteen. Okay at heading if I make clothes precise. Twelve twenty four. I say size. Twelve to twenty four okay. I said straight size and plus size when I speak about them on my blog and like a few people were like. Why are you saying straight size like and they took it like another level like with like sex and I was like no no? This isn't like it's is not straight lake goes like this is just the industry term like. I'm just using a word that it I was taught was okay. Industry jargon is just so hard to translate to consumers Our readers are followers. Thinks just saying what you mean is the best way. Yeah but then there's also a movement of people who don't want to call it plus size they want to call it something. Yeah like carousal standard and like some of the names are. I can't remember which one league branded the whole Section fabulous size a few years ago. Yes it's just exhausting Austin and it's yeah you know. It's condescending in Pantheon. Whatever I don't need to be told him fabulous? I know that thank you very. It does feel like oh I shop in the fabulous section Mike. Massa Marketing Gone wrong so ah going down the track of your career so when Kromah thing happened you were a glamour but I wanNA talk about your time there Can you tell us a little bit about your beat bear like were they receptive to you. Came in and you're like I want to write about size inclusivity. Yeah it was Cindy's idea that's amazing when when I got there I didn't want anything to do with plus you didn't. I thought I made it in the doors at Conde Nast. I do not if you want to talk about plus size anything. I don't WanNa feel different. I don't WANNA be other. They don't always want to be the big girl in the room and I was gonNA already be the big girl in the room so I didn't WanNa then like be thought that's all I could talk about or do Or be seen as incapable of doing anything more upscale So Yeah I did. I didn't want to do it and then I spent a few months avoiding. Winging it in realized that there is nothing nothing no I was just never mind I was GonNa make that joke anyway now. I'm laughing at my own fake joke in my head. I realized that I should lean into what was different about me. And that was such a emotional thing to talk about and I I should do it from anger self and I should do it for all the women who felt like I felt and so I was in a car. Instant his car on the way to the opening ceremony show One season in her and I were talking and she suggested it inside pitcher some ideas and then I had a monthly column in then I had an online vertical like I said we had a glamour named Brian Advertising Deal so we did clothing collections. I think about ten weeded special issues dedicated entirely plus What else yes? I worked with some designers by way of my column to to make extended sizes We did a lot. That's amazing. We talked I talked on today's Today. Show Good Morning America as a great. I feel like this is like a theme. 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PDF's and put them on a per full set or something anyways because there's a big difference between online content which is fast and furious and whatever is trending and print content. Would you work on for months at a time Anyway so all of my print content is my favorite content because I was given time and resources. And you've got to really report properly over months or follow someone along for a story Or see the making address dress come to life over time and and talk about that but my favorites were at the actual game. Cover story When I worked with tiny Taylor to make her first plus dress for eighty Bryant and we talked about red carpet dressing for celebrities of sample size? I did did a deep dive on which designers would secretly make you plus sizes but wouldn't sell them off the rack. Oh that's so in your reaction ankle is it I don't know if I can remember who who I mean you can Christians around Easter do that but yeah you can order with most anybody but you know there. I don't know I don't know if I shouldn't say you don't want to the article article. Okay I'll tell you I'll tell you after if you really WanNa know I wanna you WANNA and so. I did a similar deep dive on how how much floor space pluses were actually getting in department stores across the country and where that space was and what it looked like and I know that I learned from you that the in the Herald World Square macy's the plus size department was next one. McDonald's there was a McDonalds or a fast food restaurant on the floor. Yes so you could smell the deep fryer in the section that said had the macy's plus I section I think is pretty robust. I have been there as a shopper. Many time And it's you know. Do they not carax's hidden behind home. Where is it is a solid half a floor? So what's a story that you always wanted to write that you couldn't like like you can get the blessing to do my gosh. We'll stay tuned to the Henning Journal. 'cause I finally don't have advertisers that I can I think I don't know that I would say always wanted to write the stories that I'm working on now but my perspective has changed and I know more about the business side head of things and I'm not so much in a fashion tunnel And so you know I want data on how being being plus size affects the wage gap. I WanNa talk about brands. Who want the optics of plus size people in their advertising in their influence of programs but won't put sizes is in the stores stuff like that? Yeah that I don't have to be soft about anymore. Yeah you want to like tell truths yeah well I you know. I'm learning so much and yeah I have so many any conversations with people where they don't know why clothes stop at a size twenty four. They don't understand how the price breaks down. Or you know things like like that that you only really know when you walk into the factory and asked them to make up to a size twenty eight or you a bank account that you are funding production runs with. And so. That's a lot of the stuff I wanNA talk about. Just because I feel like we deserve to. Now we'll wait. I WanNa Zimmer's I wanNA talk about that stuff too but before we leave your glamour time. I know that your experience glamour had a lot to do with why you founded Hannett. Yes and like can talk a little bit about that yeah. That's the question. Tried to answer half an hour ago. Sorry no myself. Yeah so while. I was glamorous size everything from sizes twelve to a size twenty money and I never had anything to wear beyond fast fashion and my peers. Were these incredible iconic women that I looked up to so much and I just wanted wanted to be like in every way from their work to what they were and they were able to wear current season designer clothes every day. And it's not that I would have done that anyways however for you. The meetings when the head honchos were in the room. I probably shouldn't have been in forever. Twenty one with pit stains you know. Oh my I cover interview. I probably should've had pantheon didn't rip up the ASS when I got into the Uber. I'LL YUP and so it's just became became so frustrating and and also. The Ernie wasn't lost on me that I was reporting on designers that I had never worn and didn't want to include me and I would never be able to wear And so I wanted one power suit for my big meetings. I wanted a great dress to wear to events that I knew that. BFA and getty. We're GONNA take picture and I thought but some great designers some rate great brand would do it every season. I thought that no one ever did. And so when the time came right when the the right time came to leave because I had said everything that I wanted to say and I had gotten the promotions that I was proud of in Cindy was leaving. This was a natural progression. So heading is all of those things that I wish that it could have warned during that time and things that I want to give other women access to because there are size sixteen lawyers size twenty four architects and other size fourteen fashion editors out there absolutely trying to be seen as capable and smart and sharp. They really are and just WanNa feel like they can participate in something luxurious aspirational totally. Yeah totally. I'm so inspired that you like saw this problem problem. And you're like fuck it. I'm going to solve it. Oh thanks yeah so okay so we want to move onto henning and so we WANNA talk. You worked on this for a year before launching aging as the sole founder without any. VC money so yeah. That's stressful. Just hearing I dress for you slept all year. We talked earlier about my sister and it sounds like you guys probably could commiserate over a lot of the same stuff we think. There's a lot of founders count. Yeah what was the decision making process process like with this behind not taking money. Yeah and doing yourself. Yeah I needed to if I wanted to see the vision that I had come to life life. I mean. There's a reason why there isn't a luxury plus size brand out there kicking ass and doing it the way that you know young cool powerful women want it to be done and a lot of people behind big money are not young cool powerful plus size women who get it or their plus people who aren't fashion people And so I needed to be headed in sticking to what I wanted to do. That's not to say I couldn't have found somebody who believed in me enough to let me do. It was just that I needed to hit the ground running and go and stay agile and make quick decisions Do that didn't make sense. Just because I thought they made sense and I think it worked out really well I totally agree. Yeah I agree to be. I have the word fuck on my homepage. I don't know if that would have gone off stress so it doesn't affect your Seo. God's bear is that a thing. Yeah you put Asterix. It's it's an image isn't it. No that's texture. Oh it's Blau interesting. Wait what is heading mean. I'm curious it means woman. It's a play on the word hand. Okay okay Oh I just that totally changed it because I was. I don't even know what I was thinking. It was like I think of like the word herring and I was like. Maybe it's like a fish I does does sound like something like upper class British. Yeah it sounded like something really sophisticated. They didn't know what it was the branding. It is heated a really good job. Yeah so they to me as as an abstract abstract kind of heritage sounding last name And then I said to them all. That's so weird. My husband says that word to me all the time and they were like what and my husband will literally say it in the context of if I said to him. Hey Beckham Grayson are going to go get coffee. Do you WANNA come. And he'll say no. You're just going to be heading. Oh is does he bring it like I was thinking but yes yeah play on the word handed to me. It's always meant like a woman's thing okay. So it was a sign right. Came up on the board at Right Antler. Who did the branding and I just thought bats the that's it? You felt the attraction right. Did a great job but we so the positive side of not taking money has been that you get to do this exactly the way you want to but like has there been a negative side to not taking money like. How has that affect your decision making with like the first collection? I think it's only been positive. So far. To be quite honest there will become a time honestly as the budget it increases in the in the bank account decreases that it is necessary to do that if we are not profitable by then obviously the model is built so that will be But and I I truly can't think of a negative effect. I have nobody to run things through if I need to make split-second decision Everything comes from my gut. Obviously I think about things very in depth but everything comes from my gut I think that not having a lot of money or institutional money Means that has has translated to the fact that when there have been problems there has never been the solution to just throw money at it And so every solution had to be thoughtful and right and when you are so much pressure it's pressure but think about it this way when your pre launch or right now a month in I'm building the bottom of the Jenga Tower and so if I'm being thoughtful and making sure that these decisions are going to cause me problems in the future. That's the best thing I can be doing your building strong foundation foundation right and so if I just throw money at it. WHO's to say that those blocks won't come tumbling down later on on something or the other and also I don't spend a lot of my mental energy and time I'm fundraising or communicating with totally Akers or justifying things or second guessing myself so? Yeah I'm I feel like I'm proud of of doing it. This way to start absolutely. Yeah absolutely a lot of people thought I was crazy. It's just so it's ballsy. Yeah it's really as rescue but I can see why you did it and talking to you tons way better. I feel like it's risky to do it the other way. Well I know I asked. You're playing with somebody else's money not your your your own. I believe in this total. You know all right. Let's take a break to talk about another sponsor so our periods come once a month breath and so do our Lola ads unfortunately though they are not sinked up. Let's take a minute to talk about the both so Lola is a women's health brand offers tampons pads. 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I know hundred hustle boss and so I like that you've been very honest about doubt it but like I'm curious what has been the best part and what has been the worst part about this at fundraising because I'm conservative on thoughtful and I'm not a bullshitter and I get really uncomfortable when I have to do that. What was your question? What was the best part? In the worst part of the a year leading up to the launch the best part was launch day it was just so much culminating in one in one day. You birth to brand baby. Yeah probably better than actual. I mean whatever I can't turn real less marinating acted Statement and the worst part I don't know if there was ever been a worst worst part but some of the Nahra memories are being talked about badly on the Internet for our price point in for not going up higher in sizes Them for making mistakes. Because I ordered the wrong size buttons because I know nothing about buttons. Now I do obviously What else when it was supposed to thunderstorm of my outdoor photo shoot? That was stressful. Yeah those are some memories. I'd like to forget the low light rail buttons man but I cried over the buttons. What happened I was just so stressed out and it was last fast with that saying the last on the camel's back yeah yeah the strahl prescribe that broke camel's back in the last straw there? Yes of your regard modern family. Yeah I just ordered the wrong size buttons because I like I said it was the first time ordered buttons for production. They get did they get got put onto the garment. No no no but you know everything comes down to timing and so then that was like ordering new buttons then of course you know some. The factory was closed for some reason for this extra day and now the buttons are coming for a week and so that puts production back a week and so. That's kind of health things snowball. But that's a little stuff that you you ever think about going on behind company. Yeah now I do well now here making everything in New York everything's made in new ark yet. What's the rationale I mean? I think I know. But what's the rationale behind that We wanted to make products. That was high quality without any compromise in Sony. ORCAS where you can get the best product made You know we're made in the same factories that brands like fury are put together. People get paid fairly We make low minimums MOM's here in town and so we don't over produce and it's eco-friendly that way. So being made in New York means that we can make the best garments when when people get paid properly and not be harmful to the world in overproduction kind of way to hit minimums in that people get a perfect garment that they love. Yeah we'll so we have to ask the hard question. One of the questions that we got from a few people was about pricing is it is that part of it that it's because late in New York. Well well. Those reasons are the reasons why in addition to fabric twice and so we also source fabric. That's used by a lot of the great American designers My fabric source are actually came from the department at one of those fabric department at one of those places and so That's the caliber fabric. And then everything has natural real content which is nearly impossible to find em- plus plus a lot of things are ray on viscous polyester to keep prices down. Because they're cheap and they don't perform well and they don't last and and so our bank blazer which is our classic Black Blazer for example is made of a stretch will blend from Japan with a stretch lining and special custom trim Plus there's double then there's functional buttons there's proper shoulder pads You know and and the thing was fit to death basically And so that all costs a lot of money any young men like I said it's made here in New York but we have the best craftsmen people get paid properly. I can go in any any time and check on the quality of the way things are being made that the being made on time in clean safe environments and then because we don't have to hit you know thousand unit minimums mums. We're not overproducing which is one way for us to be a sustainable in his eco-friendly possible. And to like I said you know people get garments. That are the best quality that they're ever going to have access to implicit the moment. People who've made them have been treated properly and it's not overproduced and so it's sustainable in that way and then you have a garment that you can feel good about having that's that's such a hard thing and and I recognize myself as a consumer doing this when it's like when somebody tells me all of this of course it should be that way of course and then I don't always vote with my dollar. Yeah you'll see the price tag again. Your thought about that as a brand owner now does it change the way you shop. Do you think yes absolutely. I truly didn't realize is that if something costs seventy nine dollars a person probably got paid five dollars to make it. Yeah sisters constantly telling me that about especially stuff for my home deeply upsetting MHM and so I think there's a lot of consumer education to do especially in the plus base where there aren't comparable Brands who've been doing that type of education But I think it matters others and listen. It would be so much easier for me to go make clothes that are under one hundred dollars like every other brandon. The space has has has traditionally done and make a lot more money. I believe in the way that I'm doing it and I think it's absolutely necessary. It's bare minimum for what I would be proud to put out into the world and so if I get yelled at on the Internet about it tonight you'll bid on the Internet about it but I think I'm doing the best possible thing. We just the vision for hunting. 'CAUSE WE KINDA started in the middle. You like told us what it was before but like like it's it's something but it's aspiring to be an. Everyone needs to go to her website. And Look at these pieces. They're paying the blue sorta heading on instagram. Mr Hannan instagram. Yeah I mean the vision is to be the first major American plus sized brand and we WANNA serve people who know that they're smart smart and capable and equal And just don't have the means to express that when it comes to clothes WANNA do that all while being the best possible business and sending the best possible example but close when it comes down to it affect how we act in our daily lives whether we're at work on a date or trying to be a great mom they're like armor. And so when we wear shitty stuff we feel shitty. It affects US tangible in a lot of ways and so I don't want everybody to own everything from heading but I think if you have one like I said about my time glamour one amazing Blazer that makes you feel amazing then you'll see the effects of that in your life and my point. My message is that we deserve it. Just because is we're not under a size twelve doesn't mean that we don't want a luxury item and that we don't have places to go that warrant that and that we don't feel great about ourselves as everybody else does absolutely. Is that power outfit. Sure Yeah I believe that. That's putting on something that I feel like I look good on can totally change my mood. D- my attitude. How express myself like it's it's so much more than just like complementary looking good? Yeah and I mean even further other than that like I said I did my first interview with my pants ripped up the but and I was trying to still do a good job but it was hard. Yeah and so whether we're talking about that that or going to interview and you're pulling your shirt the whole time or you know. God forbid the shirt smells because it's made of cheap ran and you'd run there because the train was late. You know there are. There are even more granular ways in which close disadvantage women above a size twelve and I was just so sick of being disadvantaged who wait so you kind of alluded to this just when when we were asking about why other designers aren't doing plus like what is it that makes class fit in manufacturing. So difficult will well. You just have to double everything in terms of budget effort so you have to refit the clothing on a size probably eighteen generally when you have a size has run Sierra twelve you'll fit. I don't know maybe around six I to be honest. I don't do it so I can't give you an exact size but you grade up and down from there so you you add an inch or two depending on your grade rule to the sizes to grow the sizes. You can only do that for so many sizes before it gets really wonky. That's what I've heard because a lot of companies are just making everything bigger and then right to try to save costs though because like I said you have to double everything so then if you have to to make a new pattern get fit model fitted on again on the size eighteen graded again. You know. That's that's quite literally w costs then when it comes to production you've got to have more fabric. You've gotTA charge the same price because you can't charge more for the plus size than you do for the Straits is and then you've got put an entire marketing budget to advertise the idea that you even have extra sizes so it's a lot. It's a lot of money. It's a giant undertaking king. And so what size did you use to fit your round eighteen eighteen. Okay and so it's like one day a size eighteen. It's not like yes. We should again above a size. Twenty four yeah then. What would you like a thirty and then go down than up to forty? You know we'd probably fit. I'm not sure we probably fit on a twenty six or eight. Okay down to twenty for cross reference that Finn Make sure it overlaps. Well Yeah because that's another problem. When brands have a size zero to twelve range in size or sorry size zero to fourteen range and then a fourteen to twenty four? You get a fourteen intimacy cut which is great it up from your straight size fit. So it's straighter across the board and then you have fourteen. W which is graded down from your plus size fit. And it's curvier across the board essentially have bad overlapping of two sides. Fourteen or you pick one or the other. And then there's a giant jump in interesting in cut and silhouette between the twelve on the fourteen. Okay and I know that there's also dislike from talking to you as a whole other range of fit concerns with plus size and. I think you've been really ingenious about how tackled some of those got. Everybody thinks it's so genius is but if you have been the consumer it's the simplest things you could possibly think of and the most affordable so what are some examples so we have secret buttons in the pocket of button-down shirt between the normal buttons. They face backwards. And they stay in the pocket so that Yorkshire it doesn't get open your chest pulls it I WANNA baton straight sizes. Yeah like I don't wear button down shirts because they just don't look me. I'll get there. We'll get there And then we have a gel tape on the recife theme to make. That seems stronger to be less likely to rip from chafing when your thighs rub together in your pants. are elastic back. Ways are not enriched panels there sewn into the material and the wool pants is specifically stretch which is hard to find inexpensive that way even if you saw the elastic in pant will still still give and take because the fabric itself is stretch So it looks much more upscale. Yeah what else. We've brought our polars in the trash. We have a self fascinating belt that facet about loop in the trench. The list goes on but thoughtful. It's so I feel like these are things that every piece of clothing living should have. Thank you I feel like it's important to me to be the customer and you can tell when when when founders designers are not the customer not only in the in the way that those little things are missing those little bonuses aren't there but that the fittest graciously wrong Yeah and then beyond fit it details. Everything was still thoughtful even if it wasn't meant to solve a problem so like I said our blazer has a double vent that's typically found in menswear. The cuffs are functional. That's also typically typically found in custom menswear. The leaves are full length. The jacket is elongated. There are big shoulder pads in it to give a very structured should strong silhouette and those are things that I just was never able to find him plus simple as they may sound. Yeah I'm curious. What your biggest pinch me moment has been since the Bra Probably dinner on launch day. Yeah Yeah I had all these incredible women there in the room. Oh I saw that on instagram. A lot of my friends are there. Oh Yeah Yeah it was. It was incredible. It was yeah. Is there a celebrity or influence or who you would like like Keel over. If they were heading we sent some things as some good people that I knock on wood will keel over when they wear it But so so far Ashley. Graham has been so kind to where the jacket my friend precious lead took Oliver Paris Fashion Week and looked incredible. Katie's Torino you're loading shared. Buddy a has been wearing it as well. She's the best. She's incredible she actually bought the jacket off the sample rack at that dinner. That's only like at home. I'm with her. She was one of our first purchases. It was just like the kindest supportive gesture some so grateful. I have some incredible people. Aw I should I am pinching myself about all of that because that's incredible. I think it's interesting. I've learned from being very early stage at startups and from like starting podcasts. That it's like when you do these things you'll also learn how to support other people. Yes learned in the beginning very bad for all the people that I haven't bought things from and I've gone back and got on Shoppings Rey. Caney did that. Because she has mega babes so she like she knows the value exactly. Yeah can we move on to the random. Grab grab bag questions. Yes some are hard lousy object crush. Yes this is a good one so somebody wrote in. How can someone move towards a body positively or even neutrality? If they're coming from a negative place unfortunately I think most if not everybody comes from a negative place and so just the fact that people are are out in the world who do feel body neutral or body positive are doing. It should be incredible. Inspiration for us all in definitely was for me And so the first first thing that I generally say is follow those people in on follow the ones that don't put that message out into the world. Who are your favorite plus size or body? Positive follows Ashley Sean. Graham the militant Baker. It's me Kelly be gabby fresh. Nicolette Me Sen. has holiday the fat sex therapist body Pasi panned and The list goes on. I think that honestly go to my instagram page. It's at Elsie Chan and go through. I'm following. That's what I did in the beginning when I was trying to find people who I wanted to believe in like that. Yeah and then second to answer this person's question stop talking to yourself negatively seriously if you if you think negative thoughts cut them off. It sounds weird but like tell yourself great things that you love about yourself both physically and not physically And it really early works it takes time but it really works and I know you work with Nita and they have a whole curriculum around Breaking body stereotypes. Do they have any of that online. So yes I'm an ambassador for the National Eating Disorders Association which I'm Super Super Proud of is also an ambassador and says me one of the first plus this is top models We don't have the body product online because it needs to be disseminated by somebody WHO's trained a minutes meant for people in school at the moment comment however the principals can definitely be adopted for each and every one of us basically what that program is is to actually write down all of the things that go into the ideal woman write them down Talbot Curvy. You know pretty doesn't know it white but Tan and it's CETERA ET CETERA fit but not bulky. You know what I mean and you will you will. You're supposed to go back over it And realize is how impossible it is because it's every single thing almost is an oxymoron and it's like we were talking about earlier about even the people who are in in advertisements. Don't look look like the advertisements it you know it's about taking a moment to educate yourself on on how what we generally unfortunately are made to believe as women is not the truth. It's it's ally in we all saw for it. Yeah I was just looking at a bunch of things on twitter and everyone was is criticizing. AFC for spending three hundred dollars on her hair and her. I think she got highlights and then like people haircut for three hundred dollars. which like if you live in New York? That's it's a deal like eighty dollars for a haircut without the spurred a further conversation like women politicians. Everyone were supposed to look perfect. But you're not allowed to like actually spend the money or like put the effort in its oxymoronic. Yeah everything yeah all of it. Here's a lighter question. What do you miss most about Canada? Catch up chips no family. Nope the answer is my family. Let's go back to catch up. What are catch up ships guys? I should have brought sons. It sounds gross. They're so good. I one that I. It sounds like something I would like. I don't like contradicted Well you're by. Oh my gosh. I don't really like either by Philly. Dried ketchup sounds good. Kip Is Really Ketchup. Chips are really good. Okay they're very I. They don't taste like catch up but I don't know how to describe them and I wish that I could find a a friend on this podcast and get them to tag in and describe them but they're very good. I'm sure you'RE GONNA get people coming out of the woodwork to be like yes. catch-up chess I'm going to get so many people. The word US catch up chips. I want to try them. Can I order them on Amazon. Eighty everything on Amazon probably millet. That up they would be worth the investment and I will say that we say is one because you have the most perfect skin. What's your skin care routine? Oh I have a lot of makeup on at the moment you. What's your makeup routine? You don't look like you're wearing any makeup. Skin routine will limit limit all do any bowl. Yeah skin used to be so diligent about it and now I don't have time and I literally slap on whatever's in front of me and some days it don't slept on anything but I really liked dermatological cleansers okay. I like drunk elephants elephants vitamin C serum. I like supergroup sunscreen. The jury's out on moisturizer that I ever like Super Super Love Pretty slutty with moisturizer we have you tried. Doc I am. It's true. Someone's GonNa Lever View saying stop talking about this but you have. You tried the Dr Bader face cream no raving about yes. It's fantastic. Okay yes okay. I don't like him but there's a there's a chorus nighttime moisturizer with vitamin C. N.. It I think they actually call it an overnight facial and I really really liked that okay. Branch Cora Chorus Chorus only know that brand Yes yeah oh I like fresh. Black T. I. Cream. ooh always on the hunt for a really good ice cream. Yeah I tr- I confiscated magnifying mirror for myself recently. Because I just touch my skin too much and I've stopped doing that whenever I stay in hotels. I just like that murdering and the problem is I don't have my tools like I won't have tweezers and I won't don't have I have this. Little thing will get a black out and like I was saying and there is a makeup mirror and I could see all the things that were wrong I would usually like pick at and I was like I gotTa. I had to go to the pharmacy. Like I gotta go get tools did not know. I didn't like I feel like the thing that I always notice in those mirrors that I was like what is wrong with my eyebrows because like have have enough good lighting or the magnifying mirror. And I'm like Oh God. I need an eyebrow wax. It's the eyebrows. The random like Weird Chin hairs that I got as of like turning thirty five and something to look for for do and then weird like clogged pores around my nose. I'll be like Oh my God. There's this monce it's not a monster just seeing it looked back closed. No one is looking at you. That is not healthy. But because I don't have it I feel like when I go to hotel and like so intrigued. I'm like let's do an inspection didn't listen I feel the same way. I just try to curb myself. Yeah we make up though. 'cause I look you don't I figured you had a really intense skin-care any any makeup on dark in here. Maybe I'll just stay in kind of dark spaces for the rest of the day. I love that. Thank you for the lovely compliment. I like Nour's conceal her. You're not the pot. One had official name Nari screaming dealer in a tube. I like benefits goof proof eyebrow Pencil Pencil. I do know the name of that one because they recommend it so much. Cleverer names to I like What lip do I like right now? I like Mac Mckelvey. Teddy color is kind of color. Is that a pink. That's kind of close to my natural color. Okay like your lips but better yeah. That's that's it's always what I what I asked for it when I go shopping for lipstick and that's kind of what I wear I don't wear Mascara a lot because I'll rub my eyes and then be mad. There's black all over my face but today I do have a clinic Mascara on. I'm not super super loyal to Greatness care I'm not low enough to know the name of it Yeah Mascara is Mascara Browser late. The two things I have to do every day I can that. Yeah well what about somebody wanted to know what your workout routine is like if question Ashton for literally everyone yeah. I Play Basketball K.. Some you're on a team now ray a bit. Yeah I mean. I've been playing every year since I moved here. I didn't realize Alya We. We play outdoor coed in the summer. play in Nike Nike Has League in the summer at headquarters and I used to play Zog sports in the winter. But I don't really anymore. That's that's so fun. I was always so bad at basketball. Like really bad not aggressive. We offer thing. Yeah Yeah I'm very. I'm aggressive hell and everyone's like do you play basketball. I was like well I'm just not very coordinated. Yeah I'm not coordinated to ten minutes to like try and like get around the ball at just take it. Yeah you gotTa go through people. Yeah I can't do that which I now do sometimes too much in the subway station so last question somebody asked what brand would you most like to see extend their size range. Oh that's a good question. Yeah Um a pramod. I'm most like to see extend their size range. I would love to see a European Top designer do it like who America is been good about it. It's been exciting. Things have changed year over year Eleven honore has assigned a ton of great designers to extend their sizes. You mean Dior. UTAH Gucci. Komo okay you know like one of the big houses. Yeah okay. We'll see if it ever happens. That'd be Great Allen Guys I set earlier. They're all doing private clients anyways. I'm very sure. Oh candle is we lauren. Tell everyone where can they find you on the Internet wherein orange minute like what can they do are you. Yeah come follow us at Henning. Which is at H. E. N. I. N. G. on Instagram? My personal all is at Elsie Chan. Which is at L. C. C. H. A. N. Our website is heading NYC DOT com. And Yeah let me know what you you think we answer every day. I'm personally ever email personally so you'll be hearing from me if I hear from you I love that. Thank you so much for doing this. I feel like I learned you know much. Oh good I'm glad. Yeah how wonderful this morning. I love her so after we recorded the interview she emailed me and in case anyone is wanting to try. Hi Henning. She gave us a discount code that you can use on their site so bad on paper fifteen all written out for fifteen percent off off and the website is and the website is heading. NYC DOT COM. So if you're interested in checking out any of the products you should definitely use the code. We'll put it in the show notes to besides Lauren. What are you obsessed with? Oh so you are the reason for my obsession this week. So did you use my link probably but not I did. I didn't use your user. Code is the link. That's how I make money as my affiliate links it's fine I don't care you got credit for it. I put in the code. That's good but I don't want me. I won't make money. Well Yeah do you want yes you can give me the fifty dollars. No she dollars like ten dollars. People are probably like what what are they talking about. I have an affiliate link my blog for these boots and I always tease my friends when they don't use my affiliate links I'm like use my link. Okay so I didn't even tell her what is this is the best product ever though. Okay so I bought the perfect boots from Sarah Flint. I saw grace wearing them and I really liked them. And I wanted wanted to invest in a new pair of like very classic. Booties so I got the seventy millimeter. Once the heels like two and a half inches it's so manageable as you get black or brown black I have the we have the same ones twins. I knew I wanted the exact ones you have. They're really comfortable. Wore them last night. Didn't do a ton of walking but like walked around a few blocks. Oh yeah these are super comfortable and I think they just like our little more dressed up within a lot of booties they are. I'm very very into them. They were expensive but I used. I use your code but you could also use are bad on paper code. I think is still alive. It had forty five to get forty five dollars off but this was my shoe splurge for the fall there. Honestly the best boots they're so well-made they're so pretty and they're so comfortable. I think that it's something that hopefully will last a while too because it's not like a he'll where you constantly have to get got them resold. Yeah I take my Sarah Flint pumps like once a season to the cobbler. I'll just get that little like the little heel thing replaced. And then they're fine and I think the boots will be the same way. I'm honestly like when we did our ad with them. And you said that you've eight pairs. I was like judging you grace and like I'm on the trade like I'm slowly Amassing Sarah Flint collection. Well it's because they're different styles like. I have a pair low. I I have a pair of ballet flats. I have three pairs of the the palm because I wear them constantly. I have a pair of slingbacks. I have the boots. I don't know what else I have. I have like a couple pairs of flats or something else. I'm up to Oh the sandals the perfect sandals those are wonderful to while I'm up to three and counting. Yeah there I can't say enough good things about this brand now. It sounds like an ad but it does not it. Yeah I genuinely like the boots. I paid my own money for them. Yeah I've bought several pairs like I work with them regularly. But like they weren't GonNa give me three pairs of pumps like they gave me one and then I bought the rest. Yeah so anyway. Is there the best. I totally hijacked your obsession. Sorry no we're both obsessed. I got it from you you came. I'm over in. You're wearing them and I was like going to get those. My argued asked me. What my obsession is? What's your obsession? Mine is thing called the body stone. Oh the thing that molly he was talking about. Yeah so in Mali. Chen came on our podcast. She was talking about this as one of her must have beauty items and this is going to be my gift guide on my blog. But it's Oh it's it's wonderful. It's this stone made out of like cocoa butter and all these good things and what you do is after your shower. You Rub it all over yourself And because your your body heat heats up so it moisturizes your skin and what's great about it is that it's sustainable. It's just this stones or there's no packaging plastic and then it goes in this beautiful bamboo canister that it comes with. And then you just wrap it up in little soft cloth and put it in the canister and then when you're done with it you just buy another stone stone and You keep your canister It smells great. It's so hydrating. My skin is like alligator skin in the winter. So I love that. I'm getting getting it from my mom and both of my sisters because I like it so much. What about me? Maybe I don't know you know about it now. So I'm Leon. Yeah I have to get you something you I don't know about okay. Yeah Yeah it's a pretend not to know about the Sarah went boots. Will you be another. No that's like five hundred dollars. We're not that good a friends. That's what about on instagram on instagram. I'm obsessed with Sarah F Carter. It's Sarah with no H F Carter. And she she is. She's the editor in chief of batches DOT COM and she post the funniest memes teams and I relate to them all because they're basically all about being single and like how dating is the worst. Oh I've never heard of her. She's so funny out. Highly recommend great great follow everything she post is always. I'm like yes. Yes okay what about you. I feel like mine is pretty niche interest so it is now cold out so I'm getting into knitting season. I'm about to finish my first half of the year but one of my favorite knitting people to follow on instagram. Is this account. Hello Stella so it's underscore Hello Stella underscore and she makes yarn. She like hand is yarn. It's really beautiful. But it's the same thing with books two grams where I like them. When there's a person behind them so she also kind of use it interchangeably as her personal account? So I feel like I know all about this woman. She lives in Canada. She has two sons like I've been following her for years and she's just like really really delightful and unlike seemingly very nice. I like what she posted a scary looking bird birds. They're so scary. Well you should probably damn her to complain. I I should but yeah I'm getting into the sweater. She made his really pretty well. You make goal wetter. I've never made a sweater. Mostly unlike hats gloves and socks and it gets time for you to expand and make sweater if we if I make a sweater you can you better believe the first one is going to be for me. Yeah that's true but it also probably won't be that good so so it's a second. Yeah it behooves you to wait because then I'll get better at it. Perfect I'm in but Yeah I'm into knitting. I'm into knits to Graham. I don't know if that's actually it's called what I'm GonNA assume. It is. Books to Cram knits degrom. Such an Old Lady What about on the Reading Front? Would've what have you been reading. Okay so I just finished the modern love book which This'll be in the future. So so past grace and Becca. We'll have interviewed Danial Daniel Jones whose the editor of that column we interviewed him for this Random House event. And hopefully we're going to record it for a bonus episode but But current current Grayson. Becca haven't done that yet. Yes we haven't but I did just finish the buck and it's amazing so one question I keep getting our Asana. INSTAGRAM is. Does it have more essays is this the TV shows and yes it does There's I think there's like forty essays in the book and there's only TV show episodes so there's tons. I have never cried so much reading a book. It's so moving. The stories are fantastic. It's just wonderful. I think this book would actually be such a great gift to give somebody for a holiday gift. Oh Yeah Yeah I can see that but I love it so much I also last night was up Kinda late even though I'm sick reading such a fun age. It's addicting Lee. Good Oh oh I started at two. I'm probably about fifty pages in. Yeah same really really good. I think this needs to be one of our winter PECs. We'll talk about that and then I am reading. We came here here to forget by Andrea Dunlop. And that is our November book. Pick what about you back well so I already talked about how the book series that I'm reading is ruining my life so I read throne of glass books two through five in a week which is not healthy. Oh my God and so. I said that I had to take. I'm taking a break this week because I need to get other things in my life done and so I also started such a funny inch inch which is coming out in January. I think it's January seventh and I'm really enjoying it. It's a bow race ally I however it's also it's a serious read that's also a fun read if that makes sense. Yeah so far. 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The Delicious Business of Danny Meyer| House of Carbs

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The Delicious Business of Danny Meyer| House of Carbs

"What's up guys? It's Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network this week to celebrate the one hundred episode of the podcast Quentin Tarantino returns for the third and final movie movie and his three part series with us in the final episode. Bill Simmons and Sean Fantasy discussed with quite one of his favorite movies. Nineteen Ninety Crime Thriller King of New York. Make sure to check out this special episode and follow at Three watchable on twitter for highlights of all one hundred episodes. My taste buds by culinary comrades mine. We've done it. We're back twenty twenty is all to a delicious start here on house off. Aw Aw the food podcast for the hungry people by the hungry people I am. You're hungry host Joe House here on the ring. PODCAST network my culinary comrades. This is a true treat. Treat for all of us. It was a treat for me the legendary visionary restaurants for Danny Meyer you. You may know him from his New York City icons gramercy tavern and Union Square cafe. He also happened and to found a little burger joint called shake shack. He is an incredible restaurant tour. An incredible visionary here in Washington. DC to kick off the opening of his Roman Treasury Maya Lino Marei array very excited. Let's get in that belly with Danny Meyer by culinary comrades. We are incredibly honored to have here in the nation's capital one of the true visionaries in the restaurant industry a Titan of the taste buds. He is a genuine. Og a godfather if you will in restaurant game daily Meyer. Welcome to Washington DC. Hey thank you joe my my pleasure so literally my pleasure. I want to begin with a hearty. Thank you because you and your team have enriched my life so much over the last fifteen to twenty years. The first shake shack was a hotdog cart in Madison Square. Park in two thousand. I'm not sure when I discovered shake shack when I was led. I was fortunate enough to be getting up to New York with some frequency and it was pretty in the early. Two thousands is I was led to the shake shack experience. And it's been an integral part of my life experience ever since so thank you for that. Well I'm honored to hear that and you're you're you're actually great proof that shake shack is one of the most healthy things you can eat. Because I've never seen you look better look good starting compliments. I love it. This is truly the enlightened hospitality. We're GONNA get to that But before we get there. But what is your go-to shake shack order. If I may do you go to or I. Hey I absolutely do have a go-to order and it's for a good reason A It's delicious but B I like to taste for consistency and I taste all world. I was just in Mexico Mexico City last week and had shake shack there. I've been in Detroit and had it. I've been in Japan and had it south South Korea. Russia believe it or not and I'm tasting to see if the food delivers consistently well everywhere everywhere. So how do I do that. Cheeseburger fries and a coffee milk check. That's it why. The Shack Burger is amazing. SMOKESTACK is amazing but all of those burgers are topped with sauces and things whether it's bacon or hot peppers or write whatever yes that mask the actual quality of the beef and I WanNa know how does the beef taste on. What's on and a believe it or not? It can be different especially when you go internationally. It can be different because we use different beef for example in Great Britain we are required to use Beef that is from great. Britain saw grass fed beef from Scotland and that taste very different than corn finished from Kansas. There's just no question about it sir. So we're we're just all or you might find that. The cheese is different in Japan Where they have different laws than it than it is even in South Korea? So I like that order. I also think that The French fries for something that you you would think is the simplest thing on earth cooking them exactly the right way with exactly the right seasoning at and serving them exactly the right temperature is a little bit more challenging than you would think so. I want to test that and then the last part the coffee milk shake That's just my hedonism yes It's best coffee milk. Shake I've ever we're had my life and there is not a better flavor combination on earth and I'm I'm even including things like Sauternes flog raw. The best is combination on earth is shake shack French fries with shake shack coffee milk shake. Oh don't know why that is it. Well it will send you next time you go there. Try It okay. Today I will go. Are there now I have to go. You don't have to dip by the way. Just chase chase a fry with a sympathetic crunch. The heat the saw. It's the salt the sugar but it's also the potato. John Coffee thing I I do not know why but it's amazing. Oh God what a what a great start to this this discussion but then think about just for a second. When was the last time you went to a a diner and had hash browns for breakfast? You're eating potatoes and coffee. The obsessive just better yes. You're you're right The occasion of your visit here in Washington very happy to be able to sit right across the table from you for this You are opening for the first time ever and this is the Union Square hospitality group. You as the face of it if if you will so they could have done a lot better. That's why I do have a good face for podcasts. That's for sure this is the first time ever that Union Square Hospitality Group has has opened a full service restaurant somewhere other than New York City. So thank you for choosing Washington. We're we're very excited and What what took you so long? As is Mike West. Here's here's what took US along. Show we we have as you can imagine had opportunities left and right eight license opportunities and Bagels and Europe. Actually when Union Square cafe had to close after thirty years During that year where we were looking for a new site which happily we've found right near Union Square in New York City. We were getting offers all over the country globe. Please put a Union Square cafe here and I I just always felt that as opposed to shake shack which as you know doesn't have maitre d' and doesn't have your favorite table and we don't have to remember your birthday and a lot of the things that go with being a full service finding restaurant. I never wanted to to have a restaurant that felt like we were just phoning it in because I think hospitality is is really the name of our game and so doing something. Outside of the five block radius. The Union Square was a big deal for years. We finally opened at the Museum of Modern Art. At that kind of was a new thing for us Fifteen years ago but Washington. DC is a town that Made a lot of sense for a whole host of reasons. First of all the food scene here is a bona fide. You know just great place to eat. It's but it's also a city because of so many dynamics chefs here and that's not something I would have said fifteen years ago Bob But because there are so many really really fine restaurants here it actually encourages us to do our best work. You know from the world of sports parts that teams no matter. How good they are? If you're playing a really good team it's going to raise your game and that's what we WANNA do. We also like the idea that this is a city that is so close to New York and so easy to get to that we could on one hand have a number number of really good folks from our team moved down here and and really plant their lives here Sir and for those who are not going to move here full time time. It's really easy to get back and forth so so this made a lot of sense to us so the restaurant is kind of a seafood version of In terms of of the cuisine Rome focused trough ariya right. Yes what am I getting so about little bit. Over ten years years ago we opened a restaurant in New York. City called Maya Lino and mile. Lino it's an interesting story. is in the Gramercy Park Hotel Gramercy Park Hotel hotel is a storied. Hotel was kind of a CD. Place that rock and roll bands used to stay in the kind of bans. Destroy the rooms and you know make a lot out of mischief back in the old days and probably about twelve years ago or so. Ian Schrager who famous for studio fifty four along with his partner took over the hotel renovated completely and asked us. If we would do a restaurant on the ground floor on one side of the hotel the other her side was going to be his his bar right and Indians quite a visionary but it occurred to me that we are two piece from very a different pods. I moved to New York back when he had studio fifty. Four here and studio fifty four was famous for how exclusive. It was red red velvet rope. If you're not good enough you're not getting in and I think if if we're famous or anything it's about being inclusive it's about we want to take care of you no matter who you are and so it it it. It just wasn't something that occurred to me so they brought in a a kind of chic Chinese restaurant idea in the gramercy Park Hotel and after about thirteen months or so it went out of business in so Ian came calling again and the rest of the hotel needed a restaurant. There was nothing there and here it. It is overlooking. New York's beautiful grammercy Park. Yes and I was really really tempted so we decided. Let's come up with an idea that has been brewing inside inside of me forever right and that was to do a Roman trotter area I had cooked in Rome when I was younger early. Part of my career. I was a tour guide in Rome. I was a student in Rome. In fact my nickname started off as being Mirena Little Meyer and without my knowing it because Roman friends of my notice. That I kept eating suckling pig at all the Trot reas. They had actually changed my name to Maya Lino and I didn't understand why they kept laughing. They were instead of being little. Meyer was all of a sudden little pig. I wasn't laughing but I'm glad you are. And and so it seems Kinda Kinda flattering is it not flattering. Now looking back all this. You Know Jewish guy from Saint Louis a little pig because he eats so much poor. I don't know it's okay. I get it on the other hand. We did open open a barbecue. Restaurant called blue smoke so I guess I know blue spoke earned the moniker here but it it just felt like a fun thing to name the restaurant to really celebrate Romo. What's great about Roman food is that it's not about reinvention? It's about taking food you know and trying to do better within you knew it could be okay so if you go to try to reopen Rome eighty percent of the menu items are exactly the same at every restaurant. That's not how you find things in Washington in DC right you know. People are trying to make a mark by doing something that you've never heard of before so anyway we've had a great experience of my Lena. It was born in a hotel and when the Thompson Hotel approach us about opening in in the yards which we've gotten to know well from having shake shack At Ah at the national ballpark. Yes for almost a decade. I guess the still the most intense lines you know you have to work out a whole system system a whole heck to skip that line. I have my ways. The best way is the best way is to not worry about it and so you know there when the nats are either way ahead or you're not going to worry about missing something back when we started the nats were more often down by a bunch of runs right but anyway there was a star so mylan Omari is taking a restaurant that we know in love with knows how to serve great breakfast. The breakfasted my Lino. In New York City has become a a destination for for movers and shakers. And we hope we hope that Washington's movers and shakers who make laws and stuff like that are gonna WanNa come there but we'll we'll do breakfast lunch and dinner and yet it's going to be much more focused on seafood. So we've got you know fantastic pasta dishes with the seafood one of the best swordfish. I've ever had in my life. If you've ever had veal Millan as what are they. Do they take wheelhouse. They take the big veal chop pound the the crap out of it. Yes well guess what we're doing. We're just doing skate. Wing Millena saw. It's already flat. It comes flat. We don't have found it the great point with the same kind of salad on top and lemon that you would get with illness. So he full scallops assaulting Boca. Whoever wrote the rule that Salting Boca only works with veal? So it's it's GonNa be a really really exciting place in and were proud to join this great culinary community. Yeah well that's that's kind of you to say I will say I want to talk a little bit about your background and how you found your way into the industry because I think it informs a lot of power sitting here today but I wanna to make a point while we're talking about my Lino I was struck when I saw the materials By the team the team that you've assembled old to to work at this restaurant had jumped off the page for a few reasons. So there's there's enormous diversity in terms of gender diversity in terms of of Backgrounds diversity in terms of experiences In the industry both cooking wise and management entertainment wise and. I'm interested in because I think this will help you know. Set the stage for going backwards the way that I want to. How do you do this like how do you you get this kind of team together because we are all ready to me when I look at this? This is a stamp of approval. There's a whole bunch of interesting being food pathways here that are embodied in your people that I can't wait to go eat. No how are you. How do you come up with the approach when when you're building a team like this your first off site then? It's a great question if I think about the arc of my own career. If there's one thing that I I think I've gotten better at its assembling teams and you know this goes back to being a kid growing up in Saint Louis and couldn't wait wait to get my homework and my piano proceed on so I could go out and play touch football or or softball or street hockey or whatever. The neighborhood was doing on that day and I couldn't wait to. I was one of the you know everybody would say who wants to be a captain and I always wanted to be a captain in the biggest reason wanted to be a captain was get to pick your team name. And I think that if you don't get better at that over time then you're probably not going to be a better captain if you look at all the dynasties misty's in sports or business it's all about who picked the better team and I think that While you're right you're absolutely right that the the team of people that that we've assemble is diverse. It's it's actually not that diverse Kaz. Everyone's a woman but rose-noelle who's our chef. WHO started making pasta? Maya Lino in New York and then AF- she rose to being our number two executive sous chef at Manhattan in New York and she wanted to. She wanted to move here and she sees her grandmother's from Haiti that's that's a diverse background for it. Here's what's here's what they all have in common a hundred percent of the people who are running my Lino. Mary are doing it for the same purpose. They they're not cooking and serving an opening bottles of wine to show off what they know how to do. They're doing all those things because they want. I want you to leave a little happier than however you felt you got there and they want to remember you and they want you to feel like you belong there and that's not diverse. That's right and I and I feel like if I've if I've helped my game of picking teams in any way it's it's recognizing that that thing which we call having a high. HQ High Hospitality. quotient exists in human beings across the board regardless of their background regardless of their gender regardless of their race and in fact we do a better job when we are more diverse. And I know that that sounds like a cliche but guess what had happened happens to be true and I think that patrons notice that as well and I think over time I WANNA have. I want the feeling when I go to any of our restaurants when I looked out into. WHO's dining there? I want that crowd to be diverse as well And I think that when you staff Dafydd team in a monochromatic kind of way you get a monochromatic guest basis well and I don't find that very satisfying let's I'm super interesting. And there's two parts to it that I want to ask you about I believe it's the case from the background of all these folks that they're all all in house So to speak their people that have been associated in some way shape or form not not all of them not all knows a matter of fact One of the one of the the things. I think we really believe in if you ever baked bread before you know that you start with a mother. The mother East yes and that mother mother has probably existed for a long long time. And you take a little bit of that as starter for each loaf read well. That's exactly what we're doing here. There's there's is two or three people including for example our our head accountant okay. Who's who came here from New York City so it's not only cooks? It's not only servers. It's the whole team so there's some mother yeast. Yes but there's also a lot of fresh ingredients because that's the way we get Growth Union square hospitality group. Danny Meyer and no means has all the answers so we have you know. We've got veterans from a lot of different companies and we also thought it was important and especially coming to Washington. DC to have local people who know local people. Sure sure that makes a lot of sense. I I was fortunate. I had Mark Roddy the culinary director of shake shack on the show over the summer and was struck by his background. Ground in his kind of rise through the ranks came from gramercy tavern. Exactly right and that's some of what I saw when when it quickly paging through the list of folks and it I think helps ensure speaking of the mother yeast that your principal the enlightened hospitality and this is the first time I heard of H. Q.. Because as I did the research and and you know did this sort of deep deep dive into what your background and rise consisted of the thing that kept jumping off the page at me as your own personal emotional. IQ your ability to to connect with other people and see In other people what it is that's going to produce the thing you describe a little bit ago which is to leave a place feeling feeling better than How they arrived? That's something that is both kind of in my view Innate you have an instinct for but also learned over time. So if you don't mind can we go backwards to Couch can lay on. I'm you say you're you're you're using some terms we're talking about kind of an. I'm happy to do that. And this is gonNA divert us for one second. Just get back to mark Rosati whose I love Mark I love Marquis. He's she's such an outstanding member of the shake shack team but he also I think really embodies something that a lot of people don't maybe know about shake shack which is that I think shake shack really helped to begin a whole new category of dining which Shaikha find casual. We've we all know fast food is. It's not no one's ever accused shake shack convened fast. We know fast casual is but I think fine. Casual casual is a new type of restaurant. It was basically a mash up of finding. In little known fact about shake shack check mark was the tavern chef at gramercy tavern a Michelin starred restaurant group who's the CEO of shake shack. It was the director of operations for all of our fine dining restaurants before shake shack Jeff Scotto who's in charge of all of the product sourcing Zing for shake shack. Did that at the modern another two Michelin starred restaurant. And so these guys have been able to do is to take aac the way we do business including our culture of enlightened hospitality and just join it with the systems necessary to replicate something that is not a full service restaurant but it is a full hospitality restaurant. You don't have to cut your hospitality. You'd also don't have to cut your quality you just because you're doing something more quickly without waiters reservations and and all that kind of stuff well and it was Kind kind of profound in the research. I was doing the advent of shake shack the timing and his proximity to eleven madison. Addison Park and In Time An- and physical space and the relationship that ended up between eleven mass and park and shake Shack Zach. I mean it it What we gave shake shack to we gave the original shake shack to the owners of eleven mass and part right? 'cause I was is not proud of how long it was taken to pay back the investors of eleven Madison Park. So we gave it to them I was one of them zone. It was enlightened self interest as well but Shake Shack started making a lot more money than eleven Madison Park was and I. I will tell you without any question that eleven Madison Park which went on to get four New York Times three missed last number. One restaurant restaurant in the world of restaurants would not be in business had it not been for shake shack keeping it in business at the at that time in the early stages and shake shack got bought out of eleven mass and park which also made the owners very happy because they got they got more money. Yeah right I am interested one of the the the other things thanks guys. We're going to go backwards. I'm going to insist on it but I do One of the things that sort of leaped out of the Background was the important at a certain era in New York dining of The principle that you articulated needed a people feeling better when they leave when they arrive. And how impactful that was on the standing of the restaurants and the ability to sort of build and replicate and pursue other interests. BLUE SMOKE NORTH END. I Restaurants with different kinds of concepts and cuisines but because of that the era in which Union Square cafe and then gramercy tavern came to exist where the restaurant around reviews were conducted by. You know folks At The Times in New York magazine the Post and The Gates was the you know the Bible. That was our annual report card right. That was the people's annual report card. Yes and that was a big deal for us. I used to you know even before the Internet I would just wait for the day that that dropped Barnes and noble which was always you know early November remember or sometime in November and I would just hash my way right through that book and I would look We we would make charts and we would look at all the top top restaurants and we would. We would figure out which restaurants had had picked up or down for food corn service from the previous year. See how we had done relative to that we would also then do silly. Things like look at Value per dollar so for example In the survey they would always tell you not only the rating for food to corn service but also the average check and so we will do a calculation to figure out which restaurants had gone up or down in terms of value as well as well as how we had done and then there was a category called New York's favorite restaurants aunts and that was the thing that probably gave me the biggest Aha moment of my entire career because every single year no matter how will any of our restaurants were doing. I'm for food to Corn Service. They would always do better in the category called. New York's favorite restaurants and I couldn't figure out what that factor was and and finally it hit me like a a big pile of bricks. which was that? Hospitality is not something that was asking about and that hospitality and and service are completely different. Things no one had ever told me that before that services away to describe the technical deliver the product but hospitality. was how how you felt while you're having the experience and so it explained to me. Why Union Square cafe in its early days could be? New York's number one favorite restaurant gramercy tavern could be. New York's second favorite restaurant at a time. When restaurants below us in that category had even higher food source or even higher service scores or even higher decor scores? And so. That's when I started to really focus focus on in fact I remember. I spoke to Tim. Zagat one year. And I said you really need a fourth category there should be an H. along with the F.. FTS and he didn't agree with me on that but That's fine. Yeah but we really started to go to town saying we have to get better in all of those things. I'm mind is blown right now because what you just described. Is You know this concept. That's in vogue been in vogue last couple years which is is big data. The idea of taking information that's been collected by somebody aggregated by somebody else and then doing an intelligent You know sort of dive into what that data reflects and try and glean some some lessons out of it. You're building metrics from this is from God's Little Red Book that are You Know Directional for you. What was what was the arrows? Like the Bid Nineties East. You're doing is the late eighties early mid nineties right because there was no internet. I was the only data that we had with the other thing is. We got it annually annually which was really important. So for example the the professional restaurant critics certainly had enormous influence. Sure but they may not come back to review you for years right and so you wouldn't necessarily know if it you know. Even though that was one subjective opinion in a restaurant critic they were obviously reaching millions of people but in order to get the aggregated view of many many many many people annual basis was was a gift and it was like. That's ridiculous to ignore that they're sure am I right. It's just the newspapers and their critics and guts and that was it in terms. That's all we have. We didn't have you know we didn't have any other. We didn't even know what a blog was back. Then I've never mind. Online user generated reviews or anything like that right right none of that existed. There was no infrastructure for it or anything. The taste buds quick break from this conversation with the incredible. Danny Meyer. WanNa I wanNA talk to you about this great show that is returning to PBS. No passport required with Marcus Samuelson. 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Poets Chefs Business Owners Artists Community leaders in home cooks who have enhanced the nation's culture and cuisine tastebuds tune in or stream the new season and of no passport required Mondays at nine. Eight central on. PBS were on the PBS VIDEO APP. Back to Danny Meyer. I WanNa go backwards. Because I there are many aspects of what we're talking about right now that I think will will flow. Hello from how you found yourself in in the restaurant industry in the first place I saw story About a dinner that you had a fateful dinner that you had with some family on the eve of of the L.. Sat you were. You were scheduled to take the LSAT exam him to prepare for a law school endeavour in a career in the law. And you had this this dinner. It's a little apocryphal. So I'm not you now I. I'm I'm somewhat skeptical but let me let you tell it. It's it's not the least bit. Apocryphal it happened. No I would have been the world's worst lawyer I one of my favorite classes in high school was constitutional law. Okay Okay and I for some reason just loved those stories of how they all ended up in and my teacher at some point Said said to me You know I'm GonNa predict that one day you're going to be a supreme court justice and it stuck with me. Sure she couldn't wouldn't have been wrong or Nice voted competent i. I did end up being a political science major in College and What do you do with a policy degree? And what do you do with that message that your high school teacher had said you go into law right and so I thought I should do that. And I I you know I I really loved issues and Policy and politics and it seemed like a good idea at the time and yet I knew oh I did want to be a lawyer and I knew I'd be bad at it and it's such absolutely true story that the night before taking my LSAT's it was a Friday night they. We're GONNA be early on a Saturday that's true it's all true I remember. It's all true and I was just in a foul mood because I of two things my aunt and uncle and my grandmother were all drinking and loving their pasta and everything and I couldn't have a SIP because I had to be on on the next morning. Indeed I was pissed off about that but I was also pissed off. 'cause I it's some level knew I didn't want to be a lawyer and it took my uncle that night right To to say you're absolutely crazy you're GONNA be dead a hell of a lot longer than you're going to be alive. Why would you do something you don't want to do? And I said because I don't have any idea what else I could do on that night. He said to me incredulously. He said. You gotta got to be kidding me. All I've ever heard you talk about your whole life is restaurants and food and it had never ever ever occurred to me that that was a legitimate career path right right and and by the way in nineteen whatever it was eighty probably eighty four. This was not an entrepreneurial hatheway that a liberal arts degree evidently led to right and so today it is I I one of the things I feel so proud about all these years of my career is that over that time. Not because of me but just because of the way the industry has evolved in this country is that the hospitality industry is no longer seen as a shady career for people who could not do anything else but rather as a really valid career choice. And I I. I can't tell you how many times I had to kind of weekly apologize to my parents for wasting my fine education on a crappy profession and how many people I've hired early on you know especially in the eighties nineties. Who would say while? I'm doing this now but what I really wanNA pursue his ABCD and e Schumer. Now people are really proud proud to say this is what I WANNA do So that story is true as it can possibly be. My uncle and aunt are still alive. You WanNa WanNa get the truth from annual happy to connect you well. Speaking of connection helped me connect the dots. How do you go from from that? Aha moment that tiffany that wisdom that your uncle passed along to you know a brick and mortar restaurants while I was very very fortunate because at the time I am I had been the first job I had out of college actually for sub I had when I moved to New York I about college. I was working for a politician who is running for president as an independent candidate. Though who was his name was John Anderson. Okay sure and he was running against Jimmy Carter the incumbent and Ronald Donald Regan and he he got as many votes. I think as practically any independent Kennedy got seven and a half percent of the vote. I learned a lot in that campaign. It was fant. I was living in Chicago. I was also working on. TV Maverick's political commentator out. Came Sean Calloway. And when I moved to New York burned out from that whole political campaign. If you've ever worked on one I have been once November the third or fourth or whatever it is how you you cannot possibly work enough hours in the day you cannot possibly raise enough dollars and so you just end burned out right eight and so I had to. I had to do something different so I got a job in New York City. I knew I wanted to live in New York. Just try it for year. That's what it was going to be and then I was gonNA move back home to the Midwest and The job I got was Selling electronic tags to stop shoplifters. Those tags are clipped on the clothing. So they were. They were the white tags clipped onto clothing but the company I went to work for which was newly a public company listed over the counter which is powder now called. Nasdaq Head just come up with a product which was instead instead of simply those white tags with pins. This aren't really great for clothing. Had come up with a pressure sensitive label that had had a printed circuit on it so that we could now sell into supermarkets in libraries and Drugstores you know where you would have to 'cause you can't I put one of those pins in a jar of aspirin right right. Yeah so I got the whole New York Metropolitan area as As a territory on what basis on the basis that I had signed up to be a sixteen thousand five hundred dollar special projects project manager and had shown myself to be willing to do anything and then the New York salesman quit went to the competition and I was the only only guy standing in crafts. Are they gave me the territory and I became top salesman in the company for three or four consecutive years and I was. I was making a fortune in commissions in your twenties early Thirties. Yeah no I was probably twenty three twenty four twenty five twenty six something like that. No one no one to support except myself. Yes and what I was doing with. The money was putting it into the company stock and the stock went from something like two to twelve twelve during the time. I was there so it was icy so that the night that we were talking about. I actually had the luxury of saying saying. I don't WANNA be stopping shoplifters for the rest of my life yes lucrative as it may be what I really WanNa do is get a real life. And and that's what led me to thinking about law but that's what led to that night and that's in. Its because I had some money that I could spend gave me the opportunity to take another high paying job. This one was two hundred fifty dollars a week working in a New York Italian seafood restaurant. Oh Oh wow oh. Isn't that funny. That's what we're doing here in Washington right now as talion seafood restaurant and the restaurant was called PESCA. And I just I wanted to get this out of my system So when I didn't go to law school a good friend of mine from Trinity College Who was in a bank training program? Ram I said you be the money. I'll be the food guy. Let's let's open a restaurant he said I'm in and unfortunately his dad caught wind of it got furious with his son for for going into that. Nasty Business Yeah. Right and might era. My Pal went off to Dartmouth business school but he felt so bad about leaving me in the lurch that he connected connected me with his banks only restaurant client because banks ran the other way when they heard the word restaurants. Or and that was this This Italian seafood restaurant. Stran- PESCA so I got a job. There interview is Great. The owner was sitting at the bar and the interview consisted of me walking up and back down the bar stopping in front of the owner looking up and down. And saying you'll do. How was my interview? You'll know that was my. That's the era. Well that answers answers though part of of the origin story That you just shared does answer one part that I've been curious about In in sort of just consuming the the Meyer Universe which is You at a very early. The age are out connecting with other people and getting them to buy a thing that They probably hadn't heard of before they understood the concept of it they liked the idea of of the tanker whatever but as as is evident from the Union square hospitality group the group and and shake shack. It's you can only get so far with you know a good a good product and you know Folks needs needs. You have to connect with people while you're absolutely right and and that is I've gotta say the first day I became a salesman. My self identity was crushed because I always thought of salesmen. There was a character on this old. TV Show I used to watch called greenacres named Mr Haney. who was a salesman and you know you? It was like the guy with a gold tooth. Who was trying to sell you? Something you didn't really want to and I gotta come up on day one from my boss saying if you have a bad self image for what you're doing just get out of it immediately. What you need to truly believe is that your product is GonNa make someone else's life better and if you believe that the you're actually doing someone a favor by delivering to them something that maybe they knew they needed? Maybe they didn't but you're gonNA make their life better by virtue of this you're going to. You're going to be great at it and so I I said yeah that's pretty cool and it was a great experience because as a twenty year old driving around in a powder blue new Volkswagen rabbit some of the worst neighborhoods in New York. 'cause that's where the shoplifting was the greatest right and making cold calls to people in learning how how to connect dots looking how the guy who owns this women's dress store is first cousins with the guy that owns the the health and beauty store down the street who's first cousins with the owns the first store down the street and getting to understand how it was those relationships that mattered as much or maybe more than the product itself right and all that stuff was completely weekly transferable to owning a restaurant so people give you credit for innovation in having that mindset. Because it's always been at the forefront of your brand your identity. I don't think it's the least bit innovative though. Because I think that that's with restaurateurs have always done and I think that The greatest restaurants in the world historically way before chefs were celebrities. It was you went to a restaurant because the restaurateur new you and you went to the restaurant that loved you. The most and you know chefs were were the blue collar workers back in those days. Today they're the stars but I think that it's not at all all innovative that a restaurant Mentana restaurateur mentality is how to run a restaurant. I've seen In in some of the stories this idea this ratio between Hospitality and the rest of the experience dance And and that hospitality sort of greatly exceeds a just you know it seems like it exceeds the food. It's more important. The hospitality is more important than than the food. If I'm recalling the ratio correctly is that still sustainable in kind of this day and age age where there's been this great democratization of You know food and the standards are high. Is that still is. That's the world worth in ever more than ever. Look my Angelou famously. Said something that sounded like long after people. Forget what you do and what you say. They're gonNA remember how you made them feel well. Well guess what that that applies to restaurant after you forget what you ate or drank. You're going to remember how we made you feel and I think that it applies more than ever today because and and by the way the ratio you're talking about we ought to get one hundred on our test and the way we get as close to that as we just like me as a student. I almost never got one hundred on anything. Thank we almost never get one hundred on components accounts are these. It's forty nine the most points you can get for. How well you do the thing you do? How good is is the food taste? Is the temperature right in. The restaurant is the table rocking or not. Did we get your party. Seated on time we get the right drink to the right. A person right all that stuff. All the technical aspects of delivering the Product is the music too loud. All that stuff the most points you can get for doing that perfectly even if you could would be forty nine which was a failing grade right so that was fifty one points for hospitality which is owned by by the way. How did we make you feel while we were doing all that stuff? And that explains why restaurants that may technically be even more proficient at decanting a bottle of wine or clearing a plate or whatever might not be your favorite because to be your favorite anything. You've got to be really good to what you do and you've got to be really good at how you make people feel by the way a fifty one is also a failing grade so if we're great at making you feel good but the food food socks or we make you wait too long. WE'RE GONNA lose. WE'RE GONNA lose those forty nine points as well. So that's how we that's how we view it. That's how we coach people on our team. That's how we hire people. We hire people who have innately the emotional skills to thrive at the hospitality. Because we don't know how to teach that we know how to celebrate it. We know how to recognize it but we don't know how to teach someone who's not thoughtful or his who doesn't have a good work ethic who's not empathetic. We don't know how to teach you to otherwise be nice if you're just not a nice person but that was part of what we we're sort of touching on before we talked about the mother yeast. How do you the it it is kind of profound you you you when you meet somebody somebody and sit down with them and and interview them and talk to them for the first time you don't immediately get their emotional? IQ right you have to Cav. Choose for it so maybe you guys have gotten very smart over time and all of the experiences that you've had while so what we've seen the asked so we have but yet to come up with a mathematical tests. But I'd like to because I think that if somebody at some point figure out how to measure IQ intelligence quotient. which by the way? You also can't teach right. I I have no idea what mine is but I guarantee it's lower than yours is. I doubt that but what I do know about an Iq is that. I read the encyclopedia tonight. My I q not GonNa Change right accused just a way to measure my ability to learn things well on. HQ is a way to describe the degree to which it makes me feel better when I make you feel better right and we know. We're pretty sure we know what the six emotional skills are. That are always in at a pretty high level with someone who's got a high. HQ By naming what they are and by teaching that especially to the people who interview for jobs in our company. What we're able to do is to teach you how to interview or those six emotional skills it and then how to actually In in a performance review process we let people know right off the bat. When you get your performance review? We're GONNA talk about. How well you do the things technically that you were hired to do but we're also gonNA talk about the degree to which you're bringing your emotional channels hospitality skills to the table? Yes well I AM taken by some of the innovations that you have introduced to the restaurant experience Over the last decade to fifteen years things like eliminating smoking at Grandma's Gar gramercy tavern or is it Union Square cafe. All of a bell started at Union Square Cafe because it was nineteen ninety and we didn't even have gramercy tavern. Yeah okay so yeah well in advance of any city state locality thinking about outlawing smoking in public places. You're ahead of the curve we were we were first in New York and fairness. I believe this had already happened in both aspirin in Beverly Hills at this point. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa take credit for something rebel but but what had happened was in nineteen ninety. My father had passed away from lung cancer and he from everything I understand he get not been a smoker but I was angry and every single night I would leave the restaurant smelling like an ashtray. I remember one year having to change Our entire ceiling because it had been stained by cigarette smoke. I remember Almost every night there would be an argument that I would have to Mediate if you remember the real old days. They had smoking on airplanes in. If you were if you were the last row of nonsmoking non-smoking adjacent to the first row. Smoking you were pissed off right and that's how it wasn't restaurants too and so I just said you know what try it do it. Yeah and guess what. We only got busier as a result and it took another twelve years before mayor Bloomberg put that into law in New York City. Two thousand thousand twelve. Excuse me two thousand and two so yeah we like to. We like to look for opportunities to say just because it's always been done a certain way. Whoever wrote the rule it couldn't be done another right because you also sort of famously eliminated tipping Across your establishments and I'm sure that will be the same Here it mildly. No well we won't have to eliminate it because we're never going to have it right right right. That's the benefit which is great from scratch right right and sort of two takeaways from that in the first place You don't seem to have encountered any ammunition and in your retention rates the folks that work for your businesses want to continue to work for your businesses they must feel like they're getting compensated adequately and it doesn't seem like there's been any munition in the enthusiasm to eat at your restaurants and I think as importantly is all that a Not only has there been no munition in the quality of the hospitality and the service but in fact all of our data points to the opposite set which is that the experience of dining with us has actually gotten even better so this is why I mentioned those two things and you just hit it right on it. How do you go about these days? Collecting feedback Because there are so many disparate voices out there with varying levels of trust crossed and and and sort of veracity and accuracy The zoo got used to be the the thing that owned the entire field that you could trust it and you knew do their methods and how they collected information and you trusted that it was real people writing in real reviews. How do you do that now? Well interestingly today okay because of online reservation making you get instant feedback. So whether it's open table or Razzie or in which whichever reservation system people are using all of those systems provide a feedback mechanism that's almost instantaneously and we actually get better richer data than we ever got from tipping and the reason is that you could on a given first. First of all are waiters pool their tips when when we had tipping and so if somebody didn't like their experience and left a lower tip it never really showed up in terms of that server but more importantly more importantly people almost people who tip. Almost I always tip the exact same amount People are not great grading her. They're not providing gradations twenty percent. Tipper your twenty percents I'm that guy. Yeah I do it in taxicabs all the time. Right you know. Hit the twenty percent number of whether the guy was nicer not yes and And so we were getting no oh feedback by a tipping but you get an opportunity to look over time and you'll see that that certain servers are actually actually pleasing more people more of the time they deserve a raise And so basically the responsibility to pay our servers is our responsibility. It's not the responsibility of thousands of of patrons who don't really know what that server knows about wine for example. If the food is slow why should the server be Dr tip when it could have been a problem in the kitchen of probably was do you think servers decide who they're gonNA hold up the food for because they don't think that person's GonNa give him a big tip it's just. It's just a ludicrous system. But how do you discern Like what what's the reservation. Data is front end data. It's not experiential data. No it's experiential because you don't get the opportunity to send in your review until after you've had the experience icy and I I never write reviews but there is enough of that feedback back Lou. Folks do it. Oh my gosh yes okay. Yeah it's very very rich data much richer than we've ever had before. Oh Wow okay. And what would and I would encourage your listeners. Me Make a reservation online to do the exact same thing but the other thing is people talk and yes the biggest compliment compliment you can give. A restaurant is to return to the restaurant right period end of story right and so if we had any one challenge when we first Eliminated tipping back in two thousand fifteen at the modern there were two camps of consumers because keep in mind. This is a deeply cultural thing in in this country. Entry If you try to leave a tip in Japan they will chase you out the door and throw the money back at you all right. But in this country chipping. Is You know right up there. With the Second Amendment hits it seems like an or the First Amendment You just don't don't take that away in the two camps we've encountered early on but that's it's completely gone away. This point. There were a small number of people who said how dare you take my right away to punish bad service. And to those people I would say What do you mean? And they'd say well if you take away the tip I won't get good service and I I'll say we'll have you ever given a low tip. Yeah 'cause I got bad service mice I guess. The tipping system didn't permit bad service. Did it right. So it's it's completely false. Then there was a a much much greater number of people who were saying. Don't take away my opportunity to thank someone for great service. Don't take away my opportunity to buy by a better table in the restaurant and to those people I would say trust me. The people who work in restaurants are people and they really really respond they they the best people are happiest currency is a compliment. And if you just say that was amazing and we cannot what we come back that is what counts the most. It's my job is the owner of the restaurant to recognize great servers and to pay them appropriately. And if I don't it's it's their free right to go work another restaurant so we have to make the economics comics work for our team. I've tell you another thing though. Servers in a tipping house typically make up to three times as much as has non tipped employs. Okay hi either people cooking your food. Oh I see Ryan. We saw that disparity something that needed to be corrected or needed to at at least be ameliorated right point and I'm really really proud that we have begun to close that gap. Okay and as a result. We find that our cooks are our staying longer and were attracting better cooks and guess what that translates to better food for you high right right and it. It sounds somewhat simple when you when you when you put it that way and if I had my druthers I'd like to reward the person doing the cooking or everybody that the entire team at least as much as I wore the server while so experience in our system which I'm I'm really really proud of we. Have you know so many people who to hear about what we call hospital included focus on the elimination of tips. But I think the other thing to focus on is what we're adding adding which is adding to someone's professional financial career path including cook so we have what we call a revenue share model. We did not want to eliminate the the incentive to be busier and more food. Right we do want to eliminate an incentive to only be nice to someone in expectation of a tip. Set your job yes so we. We share a portion of our revenue every night not just with the servers but also with the cooks and so oh on a really cranking Friday or Saturday night in a tip house and I've I've lived this for years. The waiters go into a back room. COMFOR- their tips. They don't want the cooks to see that because the cooks feel bad about it and the cook. Just perspire. More if you go to one of bar restaurants you go to Molina Mari here in Washington on that cranking Friday Saturday night. The Cooks GonNa make more money to and the Team Spirit as a result is much more cohesive. I have to tell you that it's thrilling. I'm dying over the two mile. Lean Omari now now to see all of this. I've been to your restaurant in New York At various points in time and and been to a lot of shake shacks. But I want you to. I'm really grateful grateful to you for saying that and I want you in addition to seeing it. Yeah look at their eyes. You'll you'll see it but ask yourself how you feel. Ask yourself the minute you you walk in. You can actually feel that human energy and I want you to to put us to the test. I I talked to the staff you know ask. How does it feel to be working in this system? And I think you'll find that the excreta cores is quite outstanding. I I can't wait and we're not gonNA do any better than that for The end of this conversation. So thank you very very much for for coming here. Thank you for bringing a restaurant to Washington DC. I really enjoyed the conversation and I insist that we do it again. Thank you Joe. Oklahoma's McCauley's there. We have an incredible experience. Talking to Danny Meyer. Hearing what he had to say. Learning more about their enlighten hospitality. I dying to get over to my Eleo. Mario if you're in DC go check it out. If you're in New York you have any one of his iconic restaurants to go visit is it. And I don't think anybody needs any encouragement to go visit a shake shack. How about that coffee milk? Shake my taste. Buds we are on on the Graham at the House of cards. Hit Us up if you have your own. Danny Meyer experience that you wanNA share. We will post it. We have some stuff going up from my own experience Some some some reference points that chat with Danny. We are back next week by Hungary homeys. I think we're GONNA do do a New Year's edition of food news with the imitable. Juliet littman until then taste buds at St Hungary out there

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112: Youre Wasting More Food & Money Than You Realize With Tom Colicchio

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112: Youre Wasting More Food & Money Than You Realize With Tom Colicchio

"Hey, everyone. I'm Jason walkup and welcome to our first ever sustainable Sunday's podcast series as cozy. Oh, my buddy green along with my wife. Colleen, we've spent years feeling inspired by the guests. You're about to hear from the twist is that they're not just experts in their field. They're leading the cultural conversation on sustainability across their industries for these four bonus episodes dropping every Sunday this month, you'll hear from world renowned chefs and city planning visionaries all guests that we've wanted to invite onto our podcast for a long time and with huge thanks to our partner. So delicious were finally making it happen. Stay tuned for new conversations all month long. You won't want to miss it. Hi, I'm Jason walkup founder and co CEO of my buddy green and your host for the my buddy Greene podcasts where I'll be bringing you deep inciteful dialogues with some of the greatest minds in wellness. If you like what you hear please consider giving us a five star review and comment and don't forget to visit us of my buddy, green dot com for your daily dose of wellness and make sure to check out all of our great offerings, including our online, classes and trainings. Thanks and enjoy the podcast. Tom click yo is a celebrity chef he probably know from the hit series top chef. But you probably don't know that he's extraordinarily passionate about food security advocating for food system that values access affordability and nutrition. Tom, welcome. Thank you. So food security very important issue to you why so important why should all of us be thinking about food security right now. Oh, you said security, you'll be insecure insecurities, STAN, correct? Exactly. 'cause we can talk about food security, whether or not our food supply is secure which it may not be but food, insecurity. I mean right now in this country. We have about forty million people forty one million people who struggle put food on the table and. And then I think that number would probably you know, would grow by leaps and bounds. If we really focused on whether or not people who put healthy food on the table, which is very different on this country calories are cheap and nutritious expensive. And so you have a lot of people struggling, and why is this important? You know, he think about we have a food system that's broken in. When I say that I mean that again because calories are cheap nutrition expensive. But also, it's not reaching everyone that it should reach. You know, if you were to acquit a to a power grid. Aren't you cutting no matter where you are in this country, you kind of expect if you move into a house, or, you know, wherever eighteenth move into a trailer wherever it is that you can plug into power and power up your, you know, phones, or your TV, or, you know, your computer and people, you know, kids in rural area can tap into a computer, and if they have broadband, and, you know, expect things that just work, and we have a food system. So if it should be like the power grid. No matter where you are. You should be able to plug into it, and you should be able to find nutrition, but it's not. You know, again, you have a system that supports mass produce food that is producing a lot of cheap calories, which you know, it sounds like it could be good because we were, you know, want food to be less, expensive inexpensive. And that that's that's true. But it's not it's not reaching everyone. Because again, it's it's too expensive for some people. And so why should we care about? This. Looks look at children for a second. You have sixteen million children that are living in these households their educational outcomes are going to stunt it. There is shame associated with with knowing that you're there was a great arc light read recently. I forget where it was. And this woman who wrote the article talked about growing up hungry knowing that she was living in a household out people struggle for food knowing that her mother would skip meals. So she can feed the children's. She knew this. And so, you know, there's a shame associated with it. Why? Now that important you want people grow up healthy because within become adults who want them to be able to participate to the fullest. To give back to society forgiving society. So when when kids when they're educational outcomes are stunt because of the food that they're eating. It's just not great for a future. Sea mentioned kids in education. I go immediately to school on shirt, broken absolutely must have my mother ran a school lunch program and Elizabeth New Jersey. So this is something near and dear to me thirty million children used the public school system for lunch. A lot of these kids to school breakfast in the school launching only Miller getting Michelle Obama says one of her projects, but she wanted school lunch healthier. We pass the hungry healthy kids free act. It takes sugar sodas had abandoned machines. It takes cups Malan sugar cuts back on sodium. It puts a mandatory helping fruits and vegetables on the lunch tray. And right now, there's a big push to push that all back to, you know, get the soda back in the lunchroom get, you know, put those, you know, get rid of the whole, grains and go to go to processed foods. And so you know, you make you make a few steps forward. And you get pushed a few steps back. But again, you know, I testified in congress around school lunch, and I had someone from the Heritage Foundation sitting next to me testifying and saying why should we tell kids what he eat? And my response was I have an eight year old and nine year old. I tell them what to eat if I didn't. They would he cookies and candy all. Long. I also tell me take a bath. Because if I didn't they wouldn't. And so, yeah, we're the adult we should tell kids what to eat. We should have healthy food in our lunchrooms. We should have people that are cooking in the lunchroom's as opposed to just heating up stuff in a steam table again when thirty million children are relying on this. We should make sure that they're definitely healthy options. Then if you take that a step further, so there's a huge local food movement, but why shouldn't schools sort of be obligated to use to plug into the local food movement as well. So so who's it going to benefit you'll have fresher healthier, food and lunchroom's? Plus, the local farmers are going to get the big benefit. So not the giant food companies that are that are pushing food into the food system. Local farmers are going to actually see those dollars come back to them. So there's again, this is part of a broken system at the system is actually working for everyone would work for those local farmers if it worked for those students and ultimately worked for the schools. So you spend a lawyer time working with. Mission driven non-profits while listen schools fees, which organizations you currently working with and hit Myers doing great work there, Willis doing great. We just had their their big fundraiser for the year. In fact, I'm wearing the congress wellness in the school sneakers. They they gave me cool custom Chuck Taylor. Kelly with the wits logo on it. Thanks, Bill television, wellness is doing great feast we work with them as well feasta. It's a organization that works with adults mostly to give them sort of coping skills and part of that is teaching them. How to cook? I just went to the first graduation, and it was just really touching. There was one woman in particular who was the leader of this group who I gotta say if she had the right opportunities. She would run a company right now. She was just Fendt fantastic. And this is when when you work with people like this what you see you see these smart, they're driven. They just didn't get the opportunities that you know, the other people have and so. People privilege have. And so she was it was great to see this. And so that's one organization a place at the table, which is organization that came out of my wife, film, great film, but he the table and. A film about hunger in this country. And so we're working on focusing on messaging, and we worked with an organization called frameworks over the last year organization that Washington DC to a bunch of sociologists now, the politics and the PHD's, and they find focused on how we're getting a message of of why we should change hunger in this country and found that a lot of the lot of the ways that a lot of organizations are talking about hunger, actually doesn't really help especially when the average person here's that they're all these organizations, and there's snap out there, and they're really organizations working on on anti-hunger policy and feeding people well, the problem is taken care of. So I don't have to do anything. And so we got to find ways to to message why it's important to to to to minimize hunger as much as possible in this country. So we're working with so place to table campaign. But there's so many great organizations out there sheriff's thank no kid hungry. Really? Focused on on lunch school lunch and school breakfast, especially breakfast after the bell, which is a real movement in schools to serve breakfast. And first period. A lot of the schools have breakfast before first period. But again, there's a stigma of going to school early. A lot of times transportation doesn't work kids have to get up a lot earlier parents have to get a lot earlier to get the kids out to school, and they find that when breakfast where they get breakfast after the bell Matt scores increased by thirty percent. Wow. So this is a power food. This would food can do. And so that's sheriff strength is doing that. Of course, local food banks were so many people trying to sort of deal this problem. What what we're seeing which is a direct result of the film because the film we kind of focused on governments role in ending, poverty and hunger in this country. And we're seeing that a lot of the anti hunger organizations are starting to look at political solutions and also trying to get their their membership out there to vote around this issue of ending hunger. Which is. The only way we're really going to end and hunger. So another huge issue right now sustainability with regards the restaurants, and then more specifically food ways. So yeah, got food waste. So currently we Americans we throw out about forty percent of what we produce in this country. And it's not forty percent of what you buy at home. It's a lot of crops getting left in the field in the distribution points. If that, you know is keen is not six inches long perfectly straight gets discarded stuff that you know, you find in the supermarket if it's not perfect. It ends up in a been. It's a huge problem. You know, again when you hear the number forty percent. What we're throwing out. It's not just food. You know, you've got to realize that we're throwing all the resources that it takes to make that food and that food so it's a lot of energy its tunnel water and also people's lives, you know, some farmers out there freezing food, and we're just kind of discarding is your there's no value in what you're producing. So I could throw it away. The average American throws at about fifteen hundred dollars worth of food year. Wow. Which is in some cases, you know to big chunkier food budget. There was this great film, and they had some walking out of a supermarket with four bags and it just dropped one. It kept walking. So this is kind of what we're doing. So there's been there's been a great campaign in public awareness around food waste, and there's a lot of smart people trying to find solutions. But yeah, it's it's it's huge problem. And I think a lot of it has to do which is being aware. You know, I try to do this thing on Friday where I clean up frigerator. Make big super big pasta using all the leftover the scraps of vegetables and things like that. It's pretty darn good. Yeah. I also feel to do. I hate throwing food out. My my my wife says that I have I have the soul of depression era, housewife, I can't throw anything away. But that you know, the thing is a we're we're we're generation and a half or two generations even generation away from knowing how to deal with food waste. I I remember watching my grandparents cook at home. My grandfather would fry bacon in the morning, and then he would strain the bacon grease and save it. And that's what he cooked with. He didn't go out and buy oil. And so he he used everything because he lived through depression, the, great, depression and food was scarce and costs a lot of money, and you wanted to to, you know, save and so your dinner at nighttime, whatever's left over it turns into the of the next morning or something for lunch and JiJi of throwing food out is to something I struggle with. You know, also, I, you know. We compost at home as well. If it doesn't end up in a landfill. It's not waste of we feed. Our dog scraps. We we actually save it. And if I make chicken soup. I'll take the bones, and everything and scrape everything off it and kind of chop it up, and that's the dog food mixing in with her Kibble and stuff so she's getting the right nutrition. But so again, it's idea where it just drives me crazy throw things out. And you know, it's a chef you're taught not throw things out. This is what we're taught in kitchens because that's money. Are you cost to goods exactly most people think that for some reason that we're know restaurants, are we have the huge margins are margin to really tight. And so we're taught. You know, how to use everything total utilization. Why do you think tune ATar became such a big item on menus? It's because that was all odds and ends of the tune after you cut that beautiful tuna steak was like, okay scrambled. You want to do with this? It's tar tar nothing wrong with it. But I think I think if the average person starts thinking along these lines, we can really cut that food waste of it. So with regards to health comes to mind for me is eating more plant-based sustainability. What are you seeing in the world right now? How are you taking that in your own restaurants and also who'd Meyer, he's doing good? Yeah. We're we're we're we're definitely much more plant forward. I know everybody's out on your own to steakhouses. See I know I do lots of great vegetables steakhouse, it we have a lot of great vessels that are take house. But I also say I would be happy telling people not to eat meat every single day if you're gonna eat meat, great pieces date. That's fine. I've always been plant forward. But for different reasons. For me. I find that. Appreciates for twenty years. If I'm looking to make a new dish or dish menu together. I don't start and say, well, I wanna make lamb today. Oh, no. I look and say, well, it's summer has Akini tomatoes and eggplant. Well, that would be great with lamb. Okay. So it starts with produce. Because the flavor the profile those flavor profiles always to me starts with herbs. Vegetables, mushrooms, never starts with meter fish to me, that's the blank canvas. Because it doesn't change much. You're starting with the seasons too. Right. Of course, the seasons season sort of dictate what's coming out of the ground. And then, of course, if it grows together goes together. So so so when you have these, you know, I garden so when things are coming out of the ground at the same time, they haven't natural affinity for each other. And so to me, I've always been planned forward in terms of creativity. And I'm finding more and more that I that way especially at home, especially in the summer, and it's for me, it's not an ethical choice or anything like that. But it definitely is environmental choice. But it's also. Choice for health. You know, I I don't feel I need to have a, you know, twelve ounce steak every single night or good for you. Or me are now we're eating more fish, but definitely more vegetables. If I get my children, eat more vegetables. That'd be great. Some what what's in your ground right now, April York, right now, the only thing that it's in the ground is wintered over spinach. I I have a house on north for Long Island. That's where I garden. So there's there's winter over spinach. There's definitely garlic shoots coming up because I plant those in the fall, but that's it for now. I haven't I haven't planted yet. This we didn't you gonna play. What are your? I'm curious. It's spring in New York. What are tops favourite vegetables that wasn't right now? My my my favorites are peas father beans. Ramps which just started. We just started getting some from West Virginia ramps Morell mushrooms. I mean to me those three things peas ramps. 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What chefs you think you're doing a really good job there talent crossroads in L A's defend tastic job. In fact, I'm doing guest chef dinner with with towel in September. I just did disgraced Papa with Chloe. Is fantastic super knobs. Yes. It was amazing. I've been there naturally amazing. You know, I I've heard a khloe I knew of her restaurants. I didn't know much about her. And she kind of contacts me out of the blue and such want to meet with me. And and we just hit it off. And I like to revive at like what she had to say. And so we got together I had this private onto your next door of the restaurant in during the day. It's not used much. So we did this pop up, and you know, she came in with her crew. And did her thing and say, it was really good is focused mostly on sort of Mexican flavors. We get nachos. Yeah. Unbelievable. I I gotta say what would floored me is a lot of young chefs, and she had a bunch of people working with her. I'm not looking to disparage him here. Young young cooks that have worked in my kitchen. The first thing we try to teach just seasoning level nothing. Nothing's ever. Really? You know, it takes awhile. It's always a struggle. Her stuff was just on point from the very second, tastes taste. It was like, wow. This is just it's there. But it was usually successful. But it lasted three weeks. And but it showed what really what I found. Interesting is. I got a sense that that not everyone who was coming was vegan. There weren't. No. I got a sense that it was some vegetarians. But also a sense that these are people who just wanted to take a day off from eating meat are they're looking eat healthier look in eat. They're kind of vegan vegetarian curious phone. But it's creeping it shows you that food could be delicious. You don't need animal fats to make food delicious. So that was that was a lot of fun. But there's listen there's there's tons of people that I think are are doing great vegetable forward food. I think nowadays in a restaurant high in restaurants. You cannot not have a vegan or vegetarian options on your menu. You know, it used to be our I'll throw something together. Now, you have to make dishes that net make sense that are complete dishes. The vegan thing for me is always a struggle because there's certain things you kind of gravitate towards and go I can't use like eggs and things like that. But there's wa. Watching khloe work. You see how there are ways to get around without doing the meat substitutes, which I'm not crazy about, you know, it's funny. I said, well, we'll make pasta. She wanted to issue being processed when we can make it. She wouldn't eggs. I said, no, no. We haven't extruder. It's just simply in water. We can make this happen. So then remind yourself. Well, there's tons of stuff that we can do and. For me, though. There's a lot of great chefs that are doing really cool things. Michael Volta GIO what he didn't come up at at. In LA with Tallah, crossroads and heated. This really cool dish. It was like the celery root knob and looked like a braised lamb shank one look like and he had a heart of palm for the bone. And they really cool, but to me. I don't need this them. Look like meat. I need to taste great. So yeah, I think is often ably down to chain restaurants where you're going to start seeing possible burger being tested a Burger King. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's this isn't gonna go away. This isn't a fad. This isn't some some thing in in in there. A lot of people that choose Megan isn't for a lot of reasons a lot of it is this, you know, they don't want to see animals hurt. People just want to eat less meat unless there's app, there's people come at it for a lot of different reasons for whatever your reason is I think the world will open up to to Venus and vegetarianism. It's and it's not a fad. It's not something that's gonna come and go have you been to plant and Miami? I have not been heard about how it's quite good. Yeah. I have a good. I I don't get to Miami that frequently. So what other trends you seeing in the restaurant industry with regards to health sustainability? It seems like it's sort of everywhere. I think for me ten fifteen years ago. It was like, okay. Here's the health food place. Here's the organic place. It's crunchy. It's not cool. And today, I call like stealth health, Gordon, a great restaurant. It's health forward. Whether you know it or not. Yeah. You know? Yes. That that's happening in that as a trend what I'm seeing more more than anything, though is not so much sort of body health. And that's important. What you're sort of feeding yourself in restaurant mental health is really starting to take a front seat a lot of people are talking about. And I think you're kind of credit women catkins men with that. She really started to get shift to look at what they were doing with themselves, and sort of mental health this idea that you're gonna get up in the morning, you're going to go to work early. You're going to work late. You're gonna drink after work. You're gonna really bad food three o'clock in the morning. I mean, that's kind of how I grew up in the business. And nowadays, you're you're hearing chefs and a lot of it had to chefs who had illnesses. Sean brock. I was just thought of him. He's a great guy breakout. You watch the chef save law. I I haven't. But I know Shauna know the struggles guy was texting with the other. He he's amazing. Yeah. Completely turn it around. Yeah. And and part of it is his just his personality. He's really driven. So when he started getting into whiskey, he had a huge whiskey collection. He started killing whiskey ice cream. Yeah. He started playing guitar, and he's got this crazy pedal. Collation the, you know, really getting into cars, but he he had some health issues in real scares. And he just decided to turn around and found found a health coach, and and it was physical, but also mental health. So chefs are starting to realize that you don't have to kill yourself. You don't go to sort of put yourself through this sort of macho, you know, win at any cost yell and scream get worked up work yourself to death. It's just not worth it. And what I'm seeing is the young cooks who are coming into the kitchen when I was coming up. Oh, hell I wanted to work eighty hours. So we partly because I wanted to forty hours of overtime because with a lot of money. So it was like great. I'll work I work eighty hours. I don't care, but the younger kids now, they're like, you know, forty hours enough and even forty hours is too much. And it I like you guys, you millennials are all lazy but realize no, it's not the case. They're just want something different out of it. And and it's fine. We're really respecting. So if Coca-Cola says, no what chef thirty hours. Good for me fine. I'm okay with that. I'm not going to play this year, not driven. You're not dedicated enough game. It's like, that's what you need if we want to do. Well, then then great. That's that's fine works for you. I told my staff the beginning of this year. I'm not coming into twelve o'clock. In fact, I think we had we had a schedule girl here for for this podcast. I was like no I don't want to be there. Ten o'clock, partly because I do yoga every morning, and and and I need that time for myself, and I'm reclaiming that time, and so if I can't get my work done. From say twelve o'clock in the afternoon to eight o'clock at night. Then I'm doing something wrong. Will you lose me to my next question? You're busy guy grueling TV schedule. Chef restaurants, the whole family kids. How do you take care of yourself? Yeah. The TV schedules. Not that hard. Actually, it's five to six weeks a year. That's it. We shoot straight through. I only do one show. And that's that's that's great. So now, the TV's not that bad restaurants. We opened a new restaurant in Semper. And that was that was a grind when I opened a restaurant then I'm there from the morning until night. So that that's grind. But I'll do that for about two months and then back off a little bit. No what I do. I try to do yoga morning. I box two or three days a week as well. I try to eat better. But for me, it's also not so much meditating. A I have meditated a bit. But for me, my form is just sort of clearing some space for an hour or two day just downtime phones away. You know, quiet time with a book heart just kind of sitting here I play guitar as well. So if I can get our in the morning playing guitar to me, that's that's that's what I need if I clear that's based off. Now, I've hobbies fish. So I got to go. I got I got to get out of the water yesterday, which was great. And so for me, it's it's these there's certain things that I need to do for myself for my for my mental health, and I need to take that time. And of course, I have I have three children two young eight nine and I have a twenty five year old. And you know, he might might twenty five year old Dante kind of you know, when he was young I was working too much. It was when I had Gramercy tavern. Typically would get into the morning going home to one. O'clock at night relationship suffered because of that. And soon this time round my little guys. Now, I try to spend more time with them. It's more hometime. And luckily at this point in my career, I have a great team of people that I trust that collectively we can run our businesses opposed to me feeling I have to be there all the time. So I love any new restaurants coming up. No, we opened small batch in December. You know, that's still new so we're still at attention. And we're looking at some other projects we have a food hall that we're looking at in Kansas City actually mission Kansas that's about a year year and a half out. We are most likely opening a rooftop bar the beacon hotel this year. So that's pretty cool of those working on that. And. You know, I've been working on a book for six years. Like polisher hates me at this point, my publisher, retired of my editor editor retired. So during this time, and it's it is planned forward. It's a because it's kept jumping from idea to idea. But once I started gardening about six years ago. So it's a book that's going to focus on the garden cooking out of the garden. I love I just can't it's like, it drives. My hate writing books. I hate, you know, it's it's it's it's tedious. It's it's crazy. And I cook a lot in spring in the summer, especially Long Island. I tried. I tried to do something. I this great idea. So I'm gonna take some go pros and put them around the hood like facing down at the stove. And so whenever I start cooking. I'll just turn on the gopro, and we'll have a we'll document, and then I turned over to someone to write the recipe. Yeah. That didn't work very well what what's your favorite vegetable forward? Distal make. Ten this time of year against asparagus peas following ramps mushrooms. That's one. There's a plant that just became like a family favourite we had a nanny who was from the Paul and love spicy food and Loveday plant. So this was dish made for her and it became a family favourite. So it's a plant and really doesn't matter. What kind of equipment plant lot of olive oil? And I would do it on a crystal. But you could do it in tape. Pam, but I'll well to soaks planters soaks up oil, so medium, heat saute, the plant in batches until her nice and soft and then swept some chili peppers. Take everybody in the Gardner. Fresno's? Jalapenos doesn't really matter so much a lot of scallions lot of basil. Thai basil, some mint and salon tro. So you sweat, garlic so sweat all that Eddie herbs, and then add that all back to the the plant let that cooked together a little bit. Take it off the heat fish sauce lime juice and in those same herbs fresh folded in. Wow, that's just it's just load house labor. That's that's that's my favorite. I'll make that. Especially in the summer when a plan start coming in. It's almost every other night. We're making it and the great thing about it. It's great hot. It's great cold. The next day. It's good on a sandwich as a spread. Because if you take that plant and chop it up. It comes almost like a relish. So so it's it's versatile. And it's one of my favorites. I love it any great places to hit up in New York, of course, other than your own restaurant. I am. Mm the worst this because I don't go out because you work place. Always think when I when I leave work, I don't want go to restaurant. I have no idea. There are some restaurants at Atta makes is one that I really want to try it. It's a Korean new Newt newer style Korean. Cooking sounds fabulous. And so that's that's where I really wanna go next. But there's there's a ton of great restaurants out there. I don't know. I don't get out. I don't get out. I tried it. We're gonna get once a week. And I just it never happens. Understood also for some I can't hear a lot of food these days. You know, I go to a restaurant all sudden, it's like this. They just start sending food and a chef saying, so Amanda, Amanda, fry tag, come my wife, and I went out with Amanda one time we were in Chicago for an event. And I was like oh my God. We can't it's like anywhere you walk. It's it's the unwritten rule, you get everything. Everything I can't get a lot of food these days, if I have you know, if I go out and eat a an appetizer. Of course, you get mid-course sent to you and entre up to fall, and I feel terrible disrespectful. You can't take. I feel terrible the next day, especially I also find I'm fifty six now. I'm also finding that if I have more than one cocktail I pay for it the next time. So that you have to be careful, but I. You know, there's there's a ton of great restaurants out there. So what keeps you up a night? And what has you excited every morning? Oh god. What keeps me up at night? I don't you know, our politics right now. The guys in the White House keeps me up right now. I don't know why. I know why. But just the way this way this country's going and just how divided we are really does keep me up at night in a way where it shouldn't. But it does. So that's what keeps me up at night keeps me going in in the morning. It's just just hope that that we can change the system hope that our better angels will prevail. And I think they will. And I think we'll hopefully get get past this. And hopefully, it'll be a better future. Looking at what's going on at the border children in cages that keeps me up at night Scher? And this is where you know, I had this conversation with someone recently. So why does it bother you so much? It bothers my soul to see this country resort to that. That's what bothers me. It bothers me when you make progress when it comes to school lunches to see an administration decides, they just we're just gonna undo all that. It bothers me that that our place in this world is no longer respect it because we're not the kind of country that we could be we're not leading. We're not providing leadership we are reaching out to despots where reaching out to countries and leaders that we really have no business working. With are definitely supporting putting him on a stage equal with with the president of the United States that hopefully will change until that's about I do have hope out there. I hope the midterms gave me a lot of hope. So. We'll say last question if you could go back in time and give the young chef young. Chef Tom advice. What advice would that be? God. So. Young young young chef not not too far back in the in the past. But. I was chef-owner Gramercy tavern. And I opened it own craft while I was still a Grammercy, and I think I had craft stake while I was still at Gramercy as well. And then it became a point where Danny Meyer, and I we had this. I'd who's going to own that restaurant. We couldn't run together anymore for various reasons, and I was going to buy the restaurant from him and less second change my mind, if I can go back, I may not have done that again. And it wasn't a bad decision at the time. And the reason I say that is because this grind that chefs are putting themselves through especially young chefs get one restaurant they want two three four five. They want to build an empire. I seven restaurants. People think I have a lot more. I would've stopped right there with three it would have been enough because going from one to two is difficult goal from two to three really difficult. And then once you start doing restaurants where you have to get on a plane and go to squirreling becomes a problem. It's hard to keep track of an even at you can have great people in every chef will say this there. Season. I'm growing we want to give opportunities my people. I get it slowdown kind of race. They're very few people who've done that at scale. It's like John Georgian Phil soar like come the mind, but they aren't many they've they've Nobu. Yeah. There are people who've done it, and you can do it. But it comes at a cost comes at a cost to your relationships with your children years. Spouses, your significant others even people who work with you know, one regret. I have is that I don't know like every cook in my kitchen. I don't I don't get to all of them all the time. There's that bothered me. At bothers me, you know, used to be where when I had one restaurant. I knew if a fly somehow got got it through the fun job. I knew. And so yeah, it comes it comes with a price. And so my suggestion to young chefs is once you get that one restaurant. Don't be so quick just you know, again, it's not it's not a race. It's good metaphor of our lives out there. I think so thank everyone else. So quit. Let's go more and more and more. Yes. Sometimes more Wolfgang puck. Tony this a long long time ago after I started thinking, oh my second third. And I said how do you do? And he said he's another guy was done to. He said. Yeah, Tommy said don't wish taken it advice. He said damore, I do I'm not making any more money more headaches. Yeah. Tom here. Thanks so much. Thanks. Hey, everybody. I just wanted to take a quick moment to thank you all for listening to the podcast and say that we wanna listen to you. So if you have any questions any dream guests, we are all ears. I would love to hear from you. So asked me anything and stay tuned for the answers, or your dream guests on this very podcast, send your questions to podcast at mind body. 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Brian Newman on performing with Lady Gaga | Ep. 39

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Brian Newman on performing with Lady Gaga | Ep. 39

"For me it's never about money. You know what i mean. It's it's about getting in there and it's an honor and humbling experience every time i get to go play doc look john. Eh but i'm the biggest canton i am on the prowl indeed. Welcome welcome to podcast. This is cats. John cats lameda of the las vegas review journal. My columnists called cats fittingly enough. Find it on page three every every day and online all the time our guest. This week is brian newman. The master trumpet player and bandleader out of new york city prion has risen to fame as the bandleader. Dan leader for lady gaga dating back more than a decade to their days in new york newman returns to las vegas on october seventeenth twenty performs with gaga in her jazz in piano residency at park theta. He's also a stripped resident headliner in his own right with a late night show at nomad restaurant park m._g._m. Shows a right after the gaga shows. Newman performed select dates through december thirtieth and gaga herself has shown up for a few shows after she and newman performed together park theatre i saw them. I think four times it <hes> nomad restaurant. It was quite a hand one note before we get going. We tape this interview in the middle of manhattan so you're going to hear a couple of sirens as we speak. I figured those of you who are listening to this. Well driving might appreciate that heads up now on my interview with the great brian newman i newman yes china care here. We are in your home court. Yes we are definitely gramercy neighborhood of beautiful new york city. You tell me where i am. I barely know we're in gramercy park. That's on the east side of manhattan knock way lower manhattan but not quite mid or up upper right in between on allurement <hes>. Let's have a map brian. We got to know you in last vegas. When you came in you storm the city the <hes> plan <hes> at the nomad restaurant. You're coming back. I can't dates is october. Seventeenth october seventeenth starts and then we'll be there until i think november eighth third third tenth. I believe okay i. It's a long run this weeks. <hes> we have twenty shows and then we have four four five shows with with got it. Yes the gaga brian. Just mentioned is in fact lady gaga as i mentioned at the top of the episode brian is to bandleader for her jazz piano shows park m._g._m. Among other shows bandleader for that we help put together a big band. We me and the boys right a lot of all all of the music so we arrange in i and write all the music for that. You know make changes and whatever needs to happen. That's what that's what we do. Brian has been a friend of lady gaga for about a decade which brings up a pretty yeah good question. How does someone go about becoming friends with lady gaga in the first place. Brian told me he first met gaga while they're both working at a bar called saint jerome's on the laurie are- side of manhattan he was a bartender and gaga was a d._j. Apparently the place was just packed with good vibes and creative energy. Maybe eighty people around routinely a hundred people in their hundred people outside just lots of good vibes lots of good energy with your impression her. When you first met her she was just i always on her and all the people that were most of the people that we gravitated together to this the scene at the saint jerome's was you know a lot of friends of mine that are still better in the industry. Hey that worked for fashion or or or film or you know. It was just kind of a melting pot of people that would i what i liked. Most about that places just like it was the first time where i felt felt like oh my god i can do whatever i want. I can be myself i can. Do you know what i mean like in. She was doing the same thing we were all doing that. You know we were doing the playing playing it music on the plane music as much could and then working to pay for rent as much as we had to you know what i mean struggling yeah they call eh drinking and partying in between oh and her the way she regret relates to you in las vegas onstage and off because it's obvious you're friends uh-huh obstacle clearly. This was a real french at preceded anybody's it's fan. She's a great musician where we just have a good time doing what we do together. You know what i mean. It's like a particle. Is that what you say sydney yeah. It's like you just like your we don't. We don't have to say anything like i. I can tell l. if she wants. Something different like i can tell if it's not right and then i say oh well we can do we can. I give her another option. We do you know what i mean. She's driving the bus span. She's she's. She's a she's a killer queen but she's she's been very instrumental has a <hes> so to speak in the success of the residents in the first place by her interest not only endorsing helping you make the deal but showing up being there stead i mean help it helps out on and it's amazing which comes down i love to see you know like the fans reaction the action just the just camaraderie and that just kind of like <hes> like it was when sinatra was here was there was here we the two sinatra like that that that i felt like even when you're stories about las vegas back in the day even new york back in the day you hear stories like sewn also dropping into the earth so and so's geoghegan and then even if they're not seeing their hanging in there playing it truly become part of las vegas lore and it's it's so great all visiting visiting artists say that about las shave for example jack medians the headline reads like we wanna go to the place where you can drop in and hang and people get called up an interesting to wild kicks in you know what here's one of those now i was it was great like even just to have carrot top of wayne and the mr mr mr newton not just on the they have those guys come down and just like be a part of it. You know what i mean yeah and she was really really great. It was great. You're the structure. Your show's very interesting interesting brian because it's not just a band show at all. It's a you incorporate other forms of entertainment for leska infusion an algorithm other uh-huh cuddles pity party so he's my family about how you how you <hes> your your vision for for what you want to bring it's more than just you singing and playing trumpet i just i just think a as as a as a musician my job is to entertain to be entertaining and to make people feel like they're not feel like there's somewhere else else for a little while or just forget about all the stuff that's going on in their lives that everyone has you know what i mean just to be somewhere else and enjoy that and i think to be fully fully able to do that ad is just to be able to like bring in other people like that connection between you know someone who you know like arianna savalas or polygon or jacqueline expanded like making centerpiece puddles and we can talk about a song over the phone and then we can come up and do it and it's and it's not talking about not talking about you know what i mean like just non verbal obviously speaking all that was difficult but we pulled dot com for the first time at a cost him at a jimmy kimmel's club and i barely recognize that he came up to me he goes. Hey let's go talks. He's one of my favorites minute. He actually did a lot of shows. A humane angie did a lot of shows with him and they were his shows in atlanta. Yeah you know i'm not sure if he was always puddles back then. I gotta ask him but he was he was. It's like m._c. Hammer like not maybe not only not. I'm not talking about anton yeah yeah. You guys have a home. She's going to be out in vegas. Doing what a bunch of dates with us two. She hasn't appeared with you in las vegas yet. She has not there was the the schedules did not line up last time and i can't wait to have her there boy and just to change it up like i don't want to do the same thing we did last time. I want to see that you're going to see a different show. You know what i mean like. We're going to change some things up just because that's i don't want the same old same same old. You know we're we're. We're not a best big of a show where we we have to do the same thing every night. The show is is is loose enough that we can change up yeah. Obviously there'll be some of the old favorites that we like to sing and play. I see i see that there's going to be some numbers and earth gog join. Just gigolos got to be in that. It's something to just be indifferent. Burlesque performers different special guests and of course we'll have jacqueline again and all anybody any already honest abolish jacqueline expand and jukebox host monetary fame's we say right but yeah but i'm always just looking for other and other other cats i mean i think what robby robby guitar player from the doors the original maybe he's gonna come down krieger on krieger robby krieger really trying to get him down to see him. Go through a friend of mine that works for the lupus alliance okay and she put us in touch so we're trying to work that out so that's that's. There's some through lucas robinson in that role. I know i'm not sure but i think there. I knew the girl your girl through the lupus alliance wayne. We've talked about family has been touched uh-huh dishing mccraw. My dear friend has been active in that community to some wondering if there's yeah we'd sleep. We played a benefit for them. Not onto like maybe a year or two ago but i had known this <hes> and so we're trying to put that together and just stuff like that and some other kinds of positions you know the <hes>. Let's go through the cats the guys in your band the couch tell me about the inflight him up and come home for the piano player keyboardist alex smith. I've been playing with him since one thousand nine hundred nine as well as the tenor player. Steve cortijo both been broken. <hes> you know playing together a long time and just they're. They're kind of. They're they're the best man i couldn't do without al and steve daniel is plays. The bass player and nolan bird has been playing drums with us for about a about a year and he's just been he's been killing two so it's great to have have to have a band that we played together new york three or four nights a week sometimes more and then we go out there and and we do the show you know what i mean like. It's it's like it's it's not rehearsal in new york but it is we can try new stuff at like at the rosebud on tuesdays and thursdays we have art saturday night and find it rare but defining that's where i say oh yeah there yeah yeah when brian plays with lady gaga jazz piano. He leads a thirty piece orchestra well thirty. One including gaga got herself according to brian when the band gets together to write all the charts their biggest goal is to keep it real real at all for me realize that that like you said count basie and all those those great big bands of that era that didn't mince notes they just put it all on the peninsula and that's it and that's and that's why the band is who is in the band and orchestra and what we need him yeah i. I always say <hes> olympic. Forget the one other point about when ask about how you <hes> <hes> recruited in the midst of some las vegas players jazz piano jokes. I know obvious guys were in vegas players. All i know yes h how did you sign them and i mean it all started with it. All started when we first came and did the win theater the first time <hes> with with gaga and it was the david loeb and a showstopper zorka so many of those people and that was a little smaller of the band there was only if i recall there was three trumpets three trombones and it was a different string there was there was this loosely <hes> it was awesome dollar ticket show donkor yes sixteen. We did a one novas right before new year's eve. That's where i got to see first time. I was so impressed by the whole thing. That was the night when i'm like that guy. I was sketched ship an leader. It's really making this happen daiki man. I was scared scared. I it was a well heeled crowd. Ah yes it definitely that definitely was sometimes. I do shows like that and i don't. I don't even remember any details about the whole show afterwards. I just go ooh on an island. I just remember insult each event thousand dollars a shot but yeah so they were in that in that basso allowed i did. I called david loeb. <hes> re up for a first of david loeb. He's just amazing conductor amazing. Not there's just general studies program. He's he's just amazing and i i love david yep. He's just a constant professional who also played the hillstreet blues steam. Yes family guys family today by the way he doesn't talk about any of that to. That's crazy. It means a lot but we got to generate interest through these other. I called the bait hillstreet blues or steffi's done in the past for t._v. Macfarland it's really care anyway. That's what makes it so great that one of the things that makes him so great so i spoke with him and amount he gave me some some <hes> some insight and <hes> <hes> <hes> just you know and then the santa fe i wanted to see santa fe fat city horns because everybody was talking about these guys and they play all play with selene and you know what i mean and i it's just <hes> it's just that you know we'll let it up but the but the selene connection action is there. There's donny and marie connect. I know yeah and it just in general because somebody fantastic musicians to be able to put together this supergroup to me. It's a supergroup geico of of of players. We've you know what it's interesting. I've just been covering this to brian you might if you're following all but we've had some fumes musicians especially the banda terry fater show a ventriloquist headliner garage has had to get rid of them six and because of the market you know it's hard right now with live musicians as you know the human nature had to get rid of their <hes> trumpet player near bad eben scaling back some of their production your guy. I've always i've felt in a short of tony was his younger guy with an older soul. You know with an antique sold and you know a throwback personality. Thanks what do you think about what you do in the future of it. What is your opinion of the value of live musician. Are you optimistic that we do is going to be valued. I of course yes. I think i'm optimistic mystic but i also think that not all of these issues but i think we'll get serious for minute. I think some musicians and i'm not saying anything but like you they have to they'd have to music has to be presented in a way that can be accessible to everyone. That's job security. You know what i mean like for for me. It's like if if if no one else can do what we do then we were going to have a place always going to be and if there's if if it's something different and i'm not saying we're reinventing the wheel or changing anything or you know i'm. I'm doing a show that has been done for. You know one hundred fifty years in america. You know you know what i mean. Isn't there's nothing different. You know no changing the formula but it's just about that bringing people in and making them feel like it's a part of it and i don't know that that doesn't mean anything or musicians that you know that that the marketing is they're scaling scaling back but i don't know i think it gets. It's all part of this episode of podcast. We'll be right back. We'll get back to the interview in exactly exactly twenty seconds. I'd like to use those twenty seconds to once again. Say thanks for listening and ask for a quick favor if you're listening to this on apple podcasts and you'd like mike what you're hearing. Please leave us a rating and review if you want to support the show. That's the best way to do it. Your reviews go a long way to help. Podcasts reached new listeners now now back to the show welcome back one of the things i find so interesting about lady gaga jazz and piano shows that she didn't need to have a show band show as part part of her residency in las vegas in the first place in fact she even tells her audience from the stage that the people who booked her weren't so sure about the jazz show she can do whatever because she wants a goal goal over the world play shows all wherever she wants to do but for her to want to do with the jazz and to bring that the american music to a younger audience and that's key to keeping our marketable marketability like you were saying to keep that market up high so people need live music people i mean i don't know most of the shows that i've it into in l._a. Or new york in the past ten years don't have a live band anymore. You know what i mean. There's there's there's no because there's no way to even make any money money doing it in order to do it without a live band you have to have ten or fifteen performers in show to get that ninety minutes and they have a good m._c. to be able to <music>. Get the whole thing without the band but when you have the band it's like a you know me and answer your performing or some of the girls like you know they look at us and and they're having fund that we keep going. You know what i mean or or it's like hey. It's time to wrap it up. I g string is pasties are out so let's end the song now but you know that's that's to me. That's the most fun thing about it and i think the audience sees that even if they don't even know what's going on. I mean even if they don't know they're not in show biz. They don't know the vibe but they understand ended. You know that we're up. They're having a good time. They're having a good time to that's. That's for me. That's of utmost importance. Your your show is is different from no throwback shows in one crucial crucial way you know when when louis prima keely smith sam you turn witnesses and people like even even don rickles lounger cecchi green and take for free. They were no cover because they were subsidized by the game the gambling rights. You guys are ticketed. Show you're in there. You're a high shirley high-priced show for what you do you. What do you think about that. How how much thought cross you put into the ticket price and i mean me personally yeah. I think that's the lowest one. I i honestly don't really know. I know that we're doing some <hes>. We're adding some dinner yet for dinner dinner before and stuff like that into the performance but <hes> for me. I i think people are are. They don't gamble like they used to in one checking those guys out there so there's i don't think that money is necessarily. We don't know you you would know better. You know it's not the primary profit center anyone told me and just to make i mean just to fly the band out and do all the stuff you need to we need to we need to make a little bit but on the casino needs to make a little bit restaurant. He's saying so we're we're in for me. It's never about money. You know what i mean. It's it's about getting in. There and it's like it's like i said we've said before. It's an honor and humbling experience. Every time i get to go and play and pay us like to be in the hallowed halls of those names that you just mentioned going to high school. You know like everybody went to you know. I don't recall being somewhere where you know even though we're in the parking g._m. There's monte carlo. There's a net energy and then there's the energy from the other s- casinos the skyline that have alban imploded right yeah this. Is this algranati feel good that your shows always coincided with the with the residence farm was discussion of you. I'm coming in on your own outside of her dates. I i think so but i'm not sure when you don't want to get all absolutely i would love to be there more often. Get some momentum going or maybe move out to las vegas man. I love. I love as utopia. Yes we can rent that. All i always i would <hes> you know what i mean. If we're going to be there more often i'll i'll be there more often to responser. Let's remax. I love rematch the century twenty one or any mention all of them shameless shameless plug look back to you bryan but it is it is it could be a an opportunity for you. Guys come out and i think he's the biggest opportunity of atta my whole life honestly asli i i really it's it's so many times i say it but it's like a surreal and it's just like it's it's. It's amazing to me and i love to be able to do something like that there because we've done that show new york i've done that. Show you know what i mean. We did it for five or six years at this place downtown and it was great. It was gangbusters but then as the venues disappear in new york there's nowhere there's i have only a couple times. We've we've brought it back but the room has to be right five s to be right food has to be right drinks have to to be right for everything to work like that and the nomad is the perfect place for it because all of those things jive. You know what i mean like. The management is into the management above them as interim cooks are into it. The line cooks are into the servers but it's it's your thing your management point. I mean we're the last show i think his last show was chris. Paul design was was a audience across me and you know those are the power players. He was having a good time. Chris was chris was influential in actually getting us in there. He's been he's he's. He was just like our point man and he really really just. I love that guy for having us man for giving us a chance. He likes entertainment and not only does does he loved his job and it's effective and he likes to hang go to these thing. He'll go to it yeah <hes>. How do you think how do you think gaga was like like an all this. Do you know if you have hung. She loves it. Yeah i mean listen things. She said she doesn't have to do anything. She comes to the show and she does her show. What does the jazz show and is so enthralled with that. You know what i mean. It just like the way she sings those songs and you know with the orchestra and then we do a three hour russia to out two and a half hour show and then do three hour show after that's really what it's been here. I've been getting out of their last night. I think we left at like six a._m. The eight o'clock call i was i was out at least until three that that is old biggest guys because you start doing the mathematics on the schedule. It's like okay they. We started the show at midnight in rickles cecchi role than one. That's a long night it really is. I don't even feel tired. I feel great. They're relaxed. I feel positive i mean it was a classic moment. When i was watching you play and it was at the i think he'd take intermission and i was trying to get up to the bar and get a fizzy water and working my way through an unseen. Ida said hi everybody the barnum like why exit emphasis in the bar and club at the bar and i look up and gaga sitting on. I said this is actually a classic scene. We're not getting any bar revenue but forget that listen only in las vegas like one of the more i'm fighting. This crowd to get a physi- wash your friend man but brian yeah. It's been great to getting to know you and you know a conspiracy. We're going to have everybody who's met you in las vegas eager to have this comeback. I can't wait. We'll be there at opening night. I'll be there a bunch of other times. Thanks for coming down here to the marcel at at the gramercy oh john johnny. Thanks thanks for so far from gigs two blocks away yeah. It's good. It's easy brianti. I love as you so thank you so much for coming down anytime and thanks again to brian newman for joining us on podcast this week. What is was happening in the column. You might be asking yourselves. Well s. l. S. las vegas has turned over to the sahara under the new ownership of alex carrillo that happened last week. The sahara executive team has summarily wiped out the sand by stark statue out front. I was the blog like figure ear designed by philippe starck as a tribute to former resort owners. Samna zarian look for palm trees to be in the place of the old sam statue stark arctic silver duckie that stands out by the pool will be spared such a fate and is heading to the grand sierra resort in reno. That's also murillo holding the widespread fred resort overhaul continues at the sahara with new pool. The stage show blocked plonk and a few new restaurants frankie. Marino has done it again. His piano piano forte album has hit number one on the billboard classical and billboard classical crossover charts knocking andrea bocelli out of the top spot lot in both categories frankie of course things the podcast theme the biggest cat in town and also headlines regularly at south point and myron cabaret jazz. Claire sinclair has finally opened claire b._n._b. A bed and breakfast in downtown las vegas. The resort has seven themed rooms and is modeled after the madonna in central california coast sinclair spent more than three years renovating the property telling me this was a big beast of the project but i'm really proud of how the room's turned out and read about the reunion between share and her backing dancers from one thousand nine hundred eighty nine nineteen ninety heart of stone world tour. One of those dancers was troy burgess from tournament of kings and also rock of ages in las vegas. A group of former dancers is led by burgess met up with share on august twenty four th at park theatre and it was quite a in that closes out another episode of pod cats. If you haven't already please hit the subscribe button. Wherever you're listening to this thank you frankie marino rano for our theme song the biggest cotton town keep up with me or try to on the review journal website or at johnny cats on twitter at johnny cats one on instagram mm-hmm and tune in next monday to the next installment of podcasts.

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108: The Kings of Banter and a Mummified Lemon

And That's Why We Drink

1:37:05 hr | 1 year ago

108: The Kings of Banter and a Mummified Lemon

"Where my hoes at. I'm right here. Hey, guys, we were just talking about how I was babysitting child, and we were hosing down the flowers outside and their front yard watering, the flower watering the flowers. Sorry, just checking I don't know what's going on my first language, and I thought them how to say we're my hoes that I love that. Now, I can't wait for you to have kids. And I was like, oh, God you've already destroyed one of my children. Yeah. And then when you g is just practice really going to doing a great job though for the full destruction of your human children. Lord. Welcome back guys to us because we're back in Los Angeles for the first time in a million years. I think the last time we recorded. He when was the last time you recorded. It was like it was before all of our first week of January. I think. Yeah. The month and a half ago. Yeah. The last episode like travel back to like seven sodas ago when we were talking about how we were just about to go on tour. Yeah. I mean that was the last time we regard, I know. And here we are back in sunny, Los Angeles after quite. Except for like only ten hours, and then we're going to. Email from delta as we were recording ED's time to check in. And also my Email from delta in case. You're wondering is confirmed upgrade for tomorrow? So, you know, for the people who haven't come to the live shows and heard all about this nightmare that is Christine on a plane every single time we go on a flight, which is I don't know every five minutes, these days Christina's, always fucking upgraded. And even I are sitting in twenty seven f together all sudden, we get pictures of Christine with like most of the front, and she's like, I miss you. I miss as though it sad for me. It's really hard. I don't even remember if we ever told this story. I don't think we've set it on on a Aaron episode yet. But would you like to tell your version of the listen, I finally got upgraded? I get upgraded to class a lot which is great because it's free booze. But not always first class. And so I got upgraded first class on her way to Dallas. And then our flight was delayed six hours. We were almost not gonna make it to our shows. So. So I like talked to delta, and they were like we'll put you on an American flight. I was like great. And then they're like here's your ticket. You're in group eight which like Christie like Christine really thought that she was going to have like just the most luxurious Royal event. The plane, and then all of a sudden she put in group eight with me and Eva by the way in a middle seat by the way middle seat. So they'll as we're on the plane walking towards our seats. I can see Christine is just like glaring all the people in first class, ping. Like, you lucky just realized something this is literally in our last Bill up. So that we just posted while we're saying it again, listen, you guys, listen and Christine. The whole time was like you've got fucking kidding me. I can't believe this. I have been group like a peasant plane goes down. Don't tell my mother. Tell her. It was reported kidding. I just find it funny 'cause it annoys them so much. I just think it was hysterical. And I had a great time watching you and groupies a lot of people are asking why upgrading? I'm like. Honestly, I think it's just because when I was like four months old, I was already flying Germany. All right. So like, I've had delta sky miles since I was like an infant. Literally flying every the credit card. We aren't really flying at least like seven times of month at least. Yeah. Yeah. And so now the credit card to it's like, well, I just recommend up. And sometimes I get a free mimosa. So very, I know sounds like a good deal to me. But it's been really awesome tour so far it has been for tomorrow. Yes. Super prompt for that this week. We're also going to Canada us, right? This is the big to do. I mean, that's all I'm really therefore, I might be so excited. I might not even remember to tell a story. I might just stay off. Also, this two days ago since we've been recording or I guess four days ago now is Valentine's say, so happy belated Bill. Stay. What did you do for Valentine's Day wrote? You a good poem? You did you wrote something he wrote something and you posted it for everyone to say I liked it a lot. What did you do? Blaze was working. So I laugh edited are episode for the show. Are you doing anything for Valentine's Day with them eventually day? Maybe we will make some dinner together. But since we leave tomorrow not too much time. But we had a good time. We we we've made dinner together the night before and watch king of the hill word super romantic. I know you guys had a big to do yesterday. Yes, we had well, so we had Valentine's Day, and we didn't really do anything. Because my I have a lot to catch up on. But basically, my mom was in town for a week right before Valentine's Day. Right. And so when she showed up like the day after we came back from all of our shows. So we really didn't have any. I didn't have any time to just relax soon. As my I got home, my mom was here. So I wouldn't make sure she was having today. I left town too. So. So it's been the night a wild ride emotionally. So I think for Valentine's I we just sat down jets. Nice. And then. We don't really get to sit down anymore. No it really. I mean, we're out right now. But I mean, you know, mentally whenever we're not sitting down and screaming and running up mountains trying to get it done. And so then we had the Valentine's Day, we had Valentine's Day. And then the next day her Allison. And I were getting ready all day for our housewarming party that you that was a blast. You. Thank you. So it's just been a wild ride. So yesterday happened to also be the day if you so we're recording this right now in February eighteenth cracked, which if you remember three two years ago today are third episode. I think I remember anything from two time saying okay, two years ago. Today was the episode the released where I heard Allison's. Now, I I know that 'cause he posted it all over the internet, which means based on how we used to record where we would just like we would record. No euro psycho because we used to record. And then the next day, you would spend all day editing it and release it, which means this is six hours that we recorded. So which our yesterday two years ago was the first one ever saw her picture. Oh. That's true because we were of the day before. So instead of Valentine's Day, we celebrate that of like two years of knowing each other that's precious, or at least I knew her she didn't really know me. But I remember seeing her picture with you and being like Christina need to meet her. Yes. So stop creeping on my friends, you pervert, and then two years later it was yesterday. So I took her on a whole surprise date and we woke up at like nine in the morning from nine the morning 'til like midnight. I had things planned for and that was the day after your party. So quite quite a lot to do. Well, so we went to all of our favorite spots. We actually we ran into someone who recognized me at doughnut. Fran. I think her name was Kate and choose very nice. And then when we went inside Alison got recognized they thought, but someone thought she was an actress wait for real. Yeah. So Alison get recognized. But her face got record this amazing. So we both recognized five second actress. I don't know. Oh, that's cool. But anyway, we had yesterday was a very busy day. But oh my God lots of catching up on. I was in New Orleans for a while. Me everything about it. It was super great blaze night at ten. Because I guess that was sort of our Valentine's it was like a prevailed. Yeah. That sounds like to me. So for Christmas blaze surprise me with tickets to New Orleans and like we stayed in a haunted hotel. Anything you feel anything? I didn't. Well, there was one night where we both. I kept waking up like every hour. There was one night where I was. So scared. I don't know what happened. But I was so scared that I like refused to open my eyes because I like, I don't wanna see anything and apparently hotels called the Omni Royal, I think and right in front quarter. And so I had to pee. But there was this. There's this ghost made that supposedly like oh shit by your bed at night, and like tucks you in and so I woke up at like four AM anos or like around three. And I was so scared that I walked to the bathroom with like my hand over my trying to with like just slept with the lights on. And then the next morning, and I all night that night had like the most horrific. Brutal violent nightmares. Oh way point that I woke up cry like three times and then the next morning blaze. Looks like we're both just like a mess, and I'm like, how did you sleep last night? And he's like God. Like, I had just the worst nightmares of my life. And I was really I mean, I probably something like we eight or like all the hurricanes we drink. But. So that was kind of a rough night, but the rest of it was absolutely great. We didn't see anything there. But we did go on a ghost tour, obviously like the second week out there. I was like, okay. Let's go. Yeah. And we went on a ghost tour. And we saw the Laurie mansion he says, he's says it's pronounced Laurie. But well, we've been fucking for since episode nineteen. Like, we're gonna see the Lowery mansion. And it's like you mean little Lori. No. Yeah. So many people who have been wanting to correct us for so long and they're like in time. They'll learn I was like, well, I'm not going to change it because they can't like my brand. It's too late. It's too late. So we went there. It was really fucking creepy. Apparently, you're not allowed to walk underneath the overhang note. People cross the street because it's just so haunted yet cursed or whatever. And he said like he had one tour where he walked a guy in his kids. He walked his kids under there just to be like. Aha. He and his wife walk through. And then the guy just like fucking fell over and had a seizure and then. Like, he's like that's real like, I don't know if he and he didn't have a medical condition or anything and shit like that. So we let's avoid. So the whole time we were walking around New Orleans. I had that pinned that was like I don't want to accidentally turn the corner. And right right building. Penned maybe everyone in New Orleans does people were voiding it like crazy. And then oh, so that our tour guide at the end. Of course, I had you couldn't fucking this is the cool city of my life. You can wander around with just boozing your hand everywhere. It's called Christine lights called my hometown. Like, you know, you're from Canada, Germany. Yes, it's new Germany and yes how from Canada. Got it. And so we're wondering around drinking during this goes tour, which I can wander around on a fucking goes who are and drink which is just the coolest thing. It sounds like everything you've ever wanted. Yes. And so I got my liquid courage in a little bit. So by the end of the tour went up, and I was like, hey, so I have this podcast and poor plays. It's like, oh here we go. How does podcast and his name was Bobby, by the way? And I said, oh, we're coming to New Orleans in September. By the way, guys. We're coming to New Orleans in September. And I'd really like to have some suggestions of anything like creepy that you, you know, because he said his family lived there for like three centuries shit insane. Probably that's probably wrong, and he's probably listening. If that's the case though, like it would be a crime to ever leave seventies. So that's not quite three centuries. In American math is. It's whatever we want it to he said three generations. I don't know. There's an America like not three hundred years old. But there's a lot happening down there. Sure. Just trust to. Well. He said eighteen seventies. I think. Okay. Who knows? And so, yeah, he gave me some suggestions. And then he's like, oh, that's funny. I actually showed a tour around last night. Sorry. I showed a podcast around last night privately knows like oh. Which one and he's like, I think they're called my brother, my brother and me, and I was like then Christine I screamed and blazes like, oh, no. I lost my mind because the next day we were going there show in New Orleans, and I was like this is just the best little like you're fan girl. It was so cool. Because I then I looked at up there. So many tours in New Orleans at a Saturday night, so many tour guides and just I happen to have the one toward them the night before it just felt very special the universe wanted it to happen and also their show. Great. Anyway, I feel like I'm just talking really fast because so much happened. But we did go to we did a tour of the Saint Louis Metairie number one, which is like their oldest cemetery believing and it is the coolest thing ever and nNcholas cage. Do you talked about this? Right. That nNcholas cage bought the Laurie mansion. Yeah. So he bought it. And then. Immediately. The IRS was like sixteen million dollars. So he was like I don't have that. Right. It was seized from him. Oh shit. But he had also bought a fucking like mausoleum like a tomb in the fuck in Saint Louis cemetery. Wow. But since the IRS can't like Louisiana or New Orleans. I'm not sure there's a law that the IRS can't seize your final resting place. So they couldn't take his doom. So when you go through this eight Lewisham, Terry, it's like this gorgeous old Catholic cemetery with beautiful architecture, and like really old crumble it like what you picked her New Orleans still look like, and then there's fucking gigantic pyramid in the middle of it home pyramid. And they're like, this nNcholas cages Ono, and there's this quote on it. He's like, oh, it goes back to my Catholic roots. No, it's a quote from national treasure. By the way, I was going to say, I kind of hope it's from national treasure. There's no. How he should own it. But he pretends like considering himself the national treasure. I mean interesting we all know, the so that was really weird twist on that story that I heard that story that he bought the Laurie mansion his all shit went to hell he lost all his money. And then we saw the next day. So that very cool anyway, but it was really fun. Awesome. And I went into a little voodoo shop and cool. Got you something. Why don't why am I surprised every time? I'm like, I should've just expect that well so sorry this loud. So I went to your house we thing. And I brought I already brawls and like my coughing stuff from cafe Dumont. So that's that. But you don't really drink coffee anyway. But I did see it looks very nice. And so then for you. Oh shit. Sorry. So this is just because I felt bad because last time. Why are you bud? When I went to. When I went to believe, I feel like I didn't really understand. That you liked hot stuff. And now, oh, this is the place for high and we went and I tried forty six huts us in pick. My. With your mouth. Yes. They had a big tasting place. And I tried them all and they Moshe they all have a kind of Louisiana or New Orleans name warning pretty hot away. Okay. So this one I'm sorry. Is that why you got it on the label does not just for men? This is a welcoming inclusive. Yes, it's called by you love potion number nine pick that one specifically for you. I love it a pepper sauce. Love a good pepper sauce. And then there's two more. That's shit shit. This good. This one's called hot party in your mouth sauce on bourbon street. I like the little painting up partying your. That's what they call me. Oh, sorry left all the price and the I'm not looking and then this is oh this. I'm so glad I saw this one last that one. So this one has a skeleton in intellectual chair. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. It's a Habanero sauce, which I'm very excited about it's called the wheezy execution. Okay. And it's says caught and convicted of stealing how Banaras sentenced to die in the electric chair warning narrow addiction could happen to you. See this is the thing is I had to pick ones that really taste good. But also had really cool able so for sure no process, and also I do like that you you went through and got different types right at the right? I wanted to get a little variety. And now that I know that you like hot spots because I didn't know when I went to believe in now, I'm like shit. I should've known. No, I so there was a while. I think I brought it up last. There was a time where I was actually studying peppers. Bill skill. Yeah. I was I was trying to there was a whole kid on like make your own hot sauce straight. I was very very into one time. So those are tried them. All at least I really liked him in blazed it to very excited for this Louisiana execution. That's my food. Also. Well, okay. So I have something else for you from the shop in here. I it's not in here. I think it's still I'm going to grab it. But I did find lemon in here. Jesus christ. I'm sorry. Hang on Vel lament the fucking lemon. Yeah. He was in there. Please got really mad. So I had to put him tell me what city. He he's traveled from again. I don't remember it was it was San Jose. That's the limit from San Jose. Oh my God. Okay. So nobody knows about throw it away. Why give me a reason blaze? Came into say throat away. Still here. This thing is globetrotting. And I don't like it. Who don't know what lemon is? We were in San Jose. And we were saying Airbnb and Christine naturally because all she does is read about true crime decided that she was going to check under all the beds, and the clouds and everything to make sure there wasn't a murder in the Airbnb never know while she was looking under the bed. She looking under a bed, and she found a dried old God knows how long this has been around lemon. Okay. Listen, guys, guys. Hang on. Here's I'm putting them by the table. Listen to this woman. It is rock. It is rock hard. Okay. The thing is I looked at in the bed. Like, what is that? And I got my flashlight on my phone. That's eleven so I crawled down there, and indeed it was eleven and I think that's the funniest thing ever. And so I and so then she took a picture of it from her room Viva. And then I texted her and said Alvin fifty dollars if you eat it, and sort of eating it she befriended which is much worse because I did not offer that bet and she's been carrying it around ever since she didn't make. She then she literally brought it to New Orleans with her. He said, it's rotten. But it's not it's mummified. It. Really is like a punt. That's literally next on my heart. This is I'm gonna hit it against my head just artists. I don't know if you can hear it or not. You can't. Instead of a clink. That's what we're gonna do. Literally, it's turned into a Rondo limits, my friend, and I don't really understand why everyone has a problem with it. I it's such an odd wasn't my person than I actually pulled it out at a restaurant and blaze made me walk back to the hotel and put it in my suitcase. So well, he told me to put it in the dress psychopath told me to put the trash confu-. I did put it in the trash. But then I took it back out. Remember because I felt that I have heard and someone to tweet out at about this saying that if you put a lemon under your bed apparently supposed to absorb it's like a under the bed. He said in the corner of the room, and that it's like a presentation citrus in the room not under the bed, though, don't think that was just dropped their no the one the one that said that absorbs negative energy. Oh, because it's like, I think people say that like if you keep it in the room absorb putting like if you roll bed. I think it's like I'm gonna let that be the answer. So it makes them because he's full negative energy. I can tell a good good lemon. Oh my goodness. Anyway, that didn't I didn't mean for that to be thing. Let me grab the last gift. Sorry, real quick. Okay. Well, I can't find it. Honest to Israel voodoo here Christine, just positive according to go find it. And I watched her run across her entire house trying to find it in different rooms. It's nowhere to be even please help me look for it. I I mean, I guess I'll tell you what it is you sure. Is in your car? No. So you really don't know where it is at all. No. All right. Well, what is it? It's very weird. It's not any my suitcases. Do you wanna tell me or you want to be surprised with future? Well, yeah. Just give it to you next. Okay. Yeah. That's better. Because I don't really remember what it is. Okay. Okay. A lot of hurricanes moving on how long have we been ranting? I'm so sorry to everyone who's new to the show twenty eight minutes. Anyway. So sorry about that. I will find it for next time. So sorry to even having to edit this down and for everyone who's listening who doesn't like us bantering in the beginning. We just haven't seen each other in a long time a long time home. I well with that being said, we'll do the rest later. We'll tell the story. Now, I suppose, I suppose. Christine is your underwear making you happy at this very moment. It sure is because it has lightning bolts on it. Well, that's pretty good. And is it's so soft. It is. So very soft that you feel like you're making love to an actual cloud. Oh, dear. Well, I didn't know where that was going all day long. Yep. Well, good for you. You must be wearing me undies. Sure. Am how does she know? Because I also I'm wearing me on these. I can describe all those things myself as well guys. I was I didn't even know that we were recording that and I was bragging about how my underwear head lightning bolts on it. We actually were texting each other the other day, and I Christine is like so are you wearing miandi is under right now. Because I am it feels sodium good. And then I literally sent her picture of me in my underwear. And I was also wearing I did that. And I was like it sound Hines where sunny to their pictures of underwear kind of inappropriate the most romantic thing don't allow center blaze. No. So we love me undies underwear. Buzzfeed does too. 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And so what we have been doing is we'll release every now and then alive show that we've done, but sometimes at venues, they don't actually they're not able to record the live show. Right. Which means that when we tell that story. So the audience that's the last time anyone ever hears it tragic because we pick stories that we fucking love for each love. And so anyone who has been in a particular audience if we don't record it. It doesn't get aired anywhere. And we never tell the story again because we try to do original stories all the time. Right. But sometimes are stories. I mean, a lot to us, and we want to be able to tell them. So this is I'm actually I don't know. I think you are too. But I'm telling us story. That we've actually covered out alive show that happened to not get recorded just because the story is so good. And it's a story that so many people have requested. It would be such a even after you do like can we do that again on the show because it's so it's it's one of those things where it's like, I it would it would be unfair to have been able to only till that story one time to a small group of people when so many people want to hear it. And also for anybody who's thinking, which I thought at first to kind of concern of like, well, you know, you guys usually tell stories you don't know and stuff like the reactions are raw you think. I remember what happened in November. We don't m told the story. I don't remember God damn thing. So truly I mean, we just like we've said before on the show that people will, you know, DM us are talked to us about references from like a year ago. We have no idea. No, every like when you just said that you're like, I think he said that nNcholas cage bought the little Laurie mansion until you said that I'd never sense. I set it up an episode nineteen. I haven't thought about that information. I totally forgot. So I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you said it, thank you. And I said, yeah, I said that but I probably might not have. But so basically what we're saying is if you are disappointed that we're doing this because you think the reaction isn't real we promises actually hearing and relearning it all over again. I think we're both doing stories from different cities. Just in case if you're or if you're in this the I'm doing a story from one of the DC shows if you're in those audiences you'll still get a new story. So sure about it. And they'll be different. I mean, we tell as you know, we're the kings of I can't even banter or the broad broadcasting. But there's not gonna be the exact same as it was. No. And also, I can promise you. Let's pretend the Christine even knew all the information about my story. Her reaction isn't going to be real which is not true. But let's pretend. Yeah. My reaction is certainly going to be real because I haven't looked at these notes sense. I said them in November number. So I actually don't REM I'm really going to be like wing in this whole story. I have not looked at them. I don't remember mine either. So I. Fucking clue. Good. So good luck to everyone listening in on this chaos excited actually because I picked on that I really liked telling too. So good. Well, this is the story that I did for the newer comedy fest at the Gramercy and Vancouver. And this is the story that has been highly requested by many of you, including Christine. This is the story of dear David God. I'm so fucking pump that we're doing which like we've wanted to. We've thought about doing this one on the show anyway, because we cause some cool things happened while we were doing the show you'll find out you'll find okay? Okay. Okay. And also, I do apologize. You guys are not gonna beginning as great of an experience as the people at the Gramercy because at the time, I was showing the pictures along with the tweets, but there are websites. I think bustle dot com actually has an entire chronology of every single tweet and picture. So if you'd like to follow along, very probably type in on Google like bustled, David and you'll see all the pictures. It was very picture heavy show. So I'm sorry that I'm going to have to kinda just but this story, it's Elvis so fucking creepy. So it's way creepy so. Okay. So dear David, so in this thread, basically, it's a dear David is this guy on Twitter named Moby. Dick, head is handle. His name is Adam. And he he decided that he was going to live tweet his experiences that he was having in his apartment. He thought he was being haunted by little ghost, and it it's very well documented story. So basically in this threat atom says that there's a ghost of a child trying to kill him in his apartment fantastic and to start a dream. But it seems to real so during about of sleep he saw a child a green chair by his bed of sleep in about about of sleep during about of sleep. What we call it. Now. I feel like that's something. I must have said it'd be asleep per ALPHA's. No during a session of sleep. One of those sleep sessions. Anyway, he was taking up and then. Sorry. I just read it and didn't even realize I had written that. So while he was sleeping. And he was he had sleep paralysis. And he saw a child in a green chair by his bed. So I am going also forgot my laptop today. So I'm doing this from my phone. So we are going to have to balance back and forth between tastic me finding the tweets and reading them for you as well as remains. So the very first tweet was I think August seventh and Adam wrote. So my apartment is currently being haunted by the ghost of dead child. And he's trying to kill me, by the way, twenty seven seventeen right twice the first time. I saw him. I was experiencing sleep process and saw child sitting a green chair at the foot of my bed. Okay. Good. So I've been I've been doing a good job in these two bullets. I already have chosen like, I don't know why. But that's terrified. So basically, the he then tweeted out and said he had a huge mishap nd head mishap and misshapen Christ alive. Can you tell I haven't truly I have not done here. If you would hear it half as Ardley -ly. So I was experiencing houses. I'm the one time head I'm twenty six. I was experiencing sleep paralysis. And I saw child sitting in the green rocking chair at the foot of my bed. He had a huge misshapen head that was dented on one side. And I did my best drought. So this is where a picture showed up on the projector Christine. I will show you the picture again. Can you please describe for the people? Oh, good. I don't want to insult this creepy. But it is like a child looking at you. But then there's a huge Dennis head in like he's it has smashed half his face in. It's really like imagined Tommy pickles with beady eyes and half of his head. Yeah. It's really unfortunate. It's a really unfortunate. Look so from there if you saw that in your sleep like you'd never sleep again is what I'm trying to say absolutely not the child apparently got out of his chair. So he did the drawing, and then he goes on to explain more of the story but child got out of the chair and came closer to the bed when Adam woke up screaming fuck, so it was the first approached him in bed. So a couple nights later the next dream that he had was of him in a library. Where girl said have. Sorry. So he's having a dream and in a library and someone comes up to him and says you've seen dear David avenue. I hate this. The girl went on and said that dear David appears at midnight. And if you say, dear David first before you, finish your sons, you can ask him any question you want? You can ask two questions though. If you ask a third question, he'll kill you. Doing two questions and you have to say, dear David both times. I okay. So like Simon says sharp not. But exactly it's like Simon says kill me. Simon says keep you alive. Please. The adult version of Simon's, right so sexual. Wow. Here we go. A few weeks pass and Adam has another night of sleep process where he sees David in the chair staring at him. Fuck Adam says, dear David how did you die? David says an accident in a store, and then Adam says, dear David what happened in the store in David said a shelf was pushed on my head. Then at a made mistake and he asks the third question, and he also didn't say. So he said who pushed the shelf, and he woke up afraid knowing that he shouldn't have asked the third question. And so he starts investigating because now he's seeing this guy a couple times. So he's just getting curious info. So we searches everywhere for New York City a kid a store in accident all that combined. But he didn't find anything probably a lot of results NYC kids store. Excellent in this same time. He is also moving from the bottom of the apartment or he's in the bottom apartment of his duplex. Currently and he's moving into the top one. Guess it doesn't really matter. But he's switching rooms. Right. He said that when he moved up there originally there were no ghosts. So we thought that maybe David lost him. Oh, so you mean like the he lost it like maybe now that he wasn't sleeping in that room anymore. Maybe behind maybe David couldn't find perfect. So now David is creepiest way to put that. So then atom, however starts noticing that something is going on outside of. Door fuck and his two cats begin staring at the door every night at midnight and one night he decided to look through the people and he thought he saw something move. So I feel really bad for the people who are not looking at the pictures while I'm telling the story. This is I feel because there's so many creepy things that are involved in these pictures. But basically, I'm going to scroll down I'm going to have you find a heavy describe it. So if you're driving don't try to Google, this is definitely the story that you don't listen while you're driving. You are following me on Twitter. So so Adam posts for the past four nights, my cats gather at the front door at exactly midnight and just stare at it almost like something's on the other side. And here's a picture formation kittens sitting at the door staring underneath a like crack on the door. Yes. And then he says when I opened the door and turn on the hall light. Nothing was there. But my cat seemed unnerved bushy tails etcetera. And that's where I am right now. Dear David found me. I think I don't know what to do keep you updated. Doc. So this is terrible from their lives alone. Like, oh, God, my worst nightmare and keep in mind. The story that I'm telling is it's still long. But it's an abridged version. I tried to cut out some of the less scary parts. Right. So if you go through bustle, you'll see that there's some parts that I am missing. So in my story what happens next is that? He's starting to see things for the people and Adam starts taking a few pictures at this time through the people and in one of them, he sees a dark missed. Oh god. And in the first one it looks darkness looks like tiding like behind the stairs. So one night about that one night. He decided to look through the people and thought he saw something move. And for the next week. The cat started staring at the door at midnight nonstop. It was just always expected. So a few nights later Adam starts trying out of sleep talk app to record sounds while. He's sleeping because he's like the cats are looking at the door. There's this dark messed that keep showing up. Night time. Yeah. And he's like, okay. I'm just going to have a recorder going while I'm asleep. I fucking hate this. And so the cats keep going to the door at midnight and Adam put salts around the doorway before he goes to bed because he's getting afraid which is fair. I would also probably put a ring of salt around the door. Remember when this was going on because people kept tweeting it as the we had the puck us at the time. But like didn't he just go by like he bought like salt? I don't know what kind of selfish, hopefully, this works Kroger brand. Just pour it all over the floor. Like, no like, why did you do that tasty? So yeah. So he starts putting salt on the floor while he's sleeping and the sleep app on the first night. Actually caught three. Interesting sounds fuck. They all happen between two and three AM. The I was a snap and a heavy step. The second was a whole clip of electrical static that wasn't there before. And the third was another snap and it sounded like an electrical snap. Okay. Interestingly enough as I was saying this onstage. You're right. One of the light bulbs on the above us on stage snapped and sizzled, and there was a huge sparkin everyone in the theatre freaked out the blue like the bowl completely blew out because then late. No, I just heard I heard an electrical snap behind me. I heard everyone go it was one of those things like the whole fucking audio. Look like we had planned it. We did not plan. I it was very scary. Because the bulb blew and then later, we're at the Gramercy, and it's. Like usually concert venue. We were talking to the people backstage. And without even like us asking I remember the guy was like, I think our booking agents Andrew where somebody was like talking to the tech guys. And they were like, yeah. We've never had a bulb blow out like that during even a concert when it's loud and crazy, and there's like amps going, and they were like, yeah. Those bowls just don't blow like we change them. Every couple of weird recently. Just changed them. Yeah. They've just changed them. And they were like we test them and never had this. And we really don't tell us the has as the words coming out of my mouth in electrical snap that was actually missile. Very frightening. So those are the three sounds like record on his sleep that night. Then Adam went on a trip, and he came back with an instant polaroid camera, which was funny on his Twitter. He said something like getting the fuck out of my haunted house. So he's like packing my bags like SIA. So while he was out he took some while when he got back with his instant polaroid. He took some pictures around the apartment, and they were totally normal shots. Sorry. Who do you think watch who what suck? Do you think he talked watching it? It's a free place to stay. I'll pay you. Don't worry. Just hang out at my place. If you hear anything just ignore it just north dream weekend job. Not really also just put some salt around the front of the door all the salt piles all over. The child room with a Bashan head. Right. Exactly. And don't ask them questions. So he took some pictures around the apartment, and they were totally normal. And this is where it got really juicy for me. I got really stoked about this part. He decides that he's going to open the door and take a picture of the hallway while it is pitch. Black folk. Oh, sorry. Hang on. I'm reading I'm reading on my phone. So my notes keep legs zooming out. And I'm like oh shit. I don't know where I am. Basically he took a picture of the hallway while the light was on. And the picture turned out pitch black as as if there were no one had like just covered up the as if someone just covered up the entire whole of the camera. So he tried to debunk it, and he ripped open, a new pack of film to see if they started black, and it just like maybe didn't develop the it was all white. He also took a picture with his finger over the lens to see if that's what made it black. But he actually took a picture of him covering up the entire lines. And you could still see light coming through like, the the founders the border of his fingertips. So that wasn't what it was. And he also tried to take a picture of the hallway with his phone on instead of just as polaroid. So he took a picture side by side with his phone with polaroid and the picture on his phone was a normal picture of lit up hallway on his polaroid came out pitch-black, so comments. No, no, go ahead. You're going to talk about this. What's up like of him taking they keep any video of him taking the photo. So that you literally see it. Yes. He yes. You didn't. I was not going to say that. So thank you. Remember people being like, you probably just fuck in like took a picture. No, heed took a video of himself on his phone taking a picture with the polaroid, and then watched it develop right, like, no editing. It was super creepy. So there are comments from tweets or conspiracy pages some say that they are also. So like as he's posting these things people who are following these tweets are now saying that they are starting to see David and once said that he saw David sitting on his sink when he went to the bathroom in the middle of the night, which was super creepy. If I can see David I swear to God, I cannot handle this so spooky to me. So a couple of days later, he posted a picture of him Saging the house and the next day. There was a tweet that said sage did not work that night. He had another dream with David sitting on the couch staring at. Him and the sleep up that he was using was recording for the next several nights in a row for several nights. It was just complete static from like three to five. Am no thought starting at three AM. It would go for five full minutes. It was just complete electrical static than was not supposed to be there. So Adam had a dream that David was dragging him by the arm through an empty warehouse. So that was the dream. And he was having these dreams some around the time that the sleep was happening. So all of a sudden, the electrical static would happen. God, it would be the last thing that he recorded and then when he woke up from his dream. He would wake up and check the the sleep in the that sound was happening, man. So he had the dream that who's being dragged around and empty warehouse. The next day Adam woke up with a bruise on his arm, which he showed he has a picture of he showed the bruise on his arm. He also when he woke up and saw the Bruce he decided he was going to go downstairs and get coffee. He walked past repair store that he walks by all the time, and it is always super busy. I remember it being like some sort of like like the hot dog carts like street food vendor carts. It was a repair shop for those kind of carts. And so during this time during the weekend, it was always really busy. 'cause everyone was getting their Karcher paired shirt. So he said that it always used to be super busy. But on this particular day that warehouse happened to be completely gutted in abandoned. And it looked like the wear. House from his dream. And the only thing left in the warehouse apparently was just totally everything was ripped out of there except for green chair. Which is remember that all which if you called that was the chair that he remembers seeing your Davidson in history, and the first dream this one gets the so good. I don't know. It's so I have goosebumps right now this whole time. So he thought it was a coincidence and tried to ignore it. And the next his cats are still going to the door every night. He's and it's getting early in earlier. So it's not just like midnight anymore. The cats are showing up like ten PM and not leaving the door. So at the same time that the cats are gathering Adam starts getting phone calls from an unmarked number. Well, I mean, I get like forty those a day true. I mean, maybe he'd just like has to pay a student loans or something, and that's what David just collection agency. I mean, they know how to get millennials haunt you until you fucking sleep paralysis. So the cats are gathering he starts getting these phone calls, and he was getting calls every night at the exact same time. And he was ignoring them and he finally decided to pick up one night, and he heard the same electric static sound from his sleep app. Thank you. And a small voice whispered. Hello, no, thinking thinking thinking, thank you. And then Adam said it wasn't quite a greeting. It was just a flat statement, so quiet that I could barely hear it. Adam had another ship coming up and he bought a nanny Cam for the cats and he recorded twenty four seven and sent it would send alerts to his phone whenever motion was detected. So that same night two things sent alarms to his phone was a video of his green chair rocking by itself in the living room. So he had a green tea did happen Grainger. But the green chair was rocking in the middle of the night by cell in these videos are also on Twitter, and they are way creepy actually, very frightening because you can tell from one of those camera cameras, exactly. And so there's a chair rocking. And then there's a he has like a turtle shell decoration on his wall. And it falls by itself. Fuck no. And I know cat knocking. There's no I'm not going to know if you just watch it fall by itself about that. Turtle shell and said, he got it on like a trip somewhere. Like, a I think so something like he got it from. It had some sort of significant native symbolism or something. Yeah. And he also said that he's noticing at this point that most things that are being touched and like interacted with with your David happened to be green. Oh, I didn't even think about eternal shells, kind of those cats are not green. Can you imagine right? Right. So a week later. Another video comes out of his cats for wreaking out these poor cat. They're clearly looking at something that isn't there? And then all of a sudden ajar on the table moves by itself. One of the cats named Maxwell he is mere catting in the video for hours, which for him is an odd behavior MIR cutting when they're like on their hind legs looking at something pods up. Yeah. Yeah. And so he was but he kept working hours. Don't do that. When they're they're kind of scared and curious about trying looking at. Yeah. And so two weeks later atom updates us that he has been having intense. Nightmares? One of him rolling over in seeing a severed head with a bloody spina tat snaking down the bed laying next to him and the head was staring at him and smiling. Okay. Part of this too. Is that like we did this live? And I I had to like remember that my mother in law was in the audience, and I. And like a lot of important a lot of we're trying not to cuss trying to. Together and stage probably wearing a skirt wearing a dress. Just making me like fall out of my fucking chair now. So Adam asks what happened to you and the bloody severed head says if feels great Adam woke up. I'm gonna die. Another comments are also rather see David any fucking day than that stupid spine no thousand per cent horrific. So basically, Adam then goes on a trip to Japan, and he says that everything was fine on the trip at the last day of his trip. He walked past the statue in the park and saw the figure of child with a dented head. So just was a little coincidental. That's a little weird. Once you got back back to his house, the electricity start acting up and multiple lightbulbs would go out in a new LED strip that he flashed on an off would flash on and off by itself without being powered on fuck one early morning. He couldn't sleep. So he was getting ready to go to work and he heard a scratch on his front door. And he took a picture of the people to see if anything was on the other side, and something's face was definitely there staring back at him, which you can see in a picture that he has on Twitter. It's definitely a dear David esque face. And then all of a sudden there were no updates for a while. So people were freaking the fuck out. He will live, and then he said that some spiritual. Came over and tried blessing. The place with things that seem to work for a little bit. But then the next apartment update was around eleven pm one night and Adam walked to the kitchen and knows the cat staring out the window the window looks out to a roof of a building next door in before leaving the room. Adam saw that on the roof was someone standing on the roof staring at him. I forgot about this part which freaks me out too. Because I have a story from when I was younger that there was definitely something in my room that I hated and my step mom blessed the room. Fuck I forgot about this. So she blessed the room. So there was nothing that could get in my room anymore. But in the middle of the night, I would feel something staring at me from outside my window desperate to get out. So it's interesting that they blessed the apartment and all of a sudden something staring on the roof right next to his building staring at him. I am one large goose bump right now. And so the window looks out to the roof, and he saw someone standing there, and there's a whole threat of him like ducking under the sink and try and look out the window to see if it was really there. But basically he saw someone standing there for sure so ten days later a picture to right? There's a picture of the literal picture of pictures of everything I'm talking about right? All right. Okay. So there is a picture of a guy standing on the fucking roof. Yes. Like facing his Bill. Yes. Window way, creepy as hell. Whether there's a like, even if it's just a fucking dude on the roof. Exactly. So ten days later Adam dreamed about David again, and David was sitting by Adam's bed in new chair since the green one has now been gone because Adam was like gives us fucking out of here. But so now David sitting on a different chair. Oh, great and David stared at him and Adam tried to move and somehow was able because he has sleep rouses. So David staring at him Adams trying to move. He cannot. But somehow he's able to move his hand enough to grab his phone. Oh, okay. This is boon. Nana's? Adam says, quote, I thought if. David is going to kill me. Maybe I can at least get evidence on my phone, and he began taking pictures at his side like his hip. He was he had the camera up on his phone was taking pictures while it was there David got off the chair and got face to face with atom muttering something, and then his eyes rolled back in his head until there was only white while still muttering something David climbed into Adams bed, and then Adam woke up, and it was broad daylight a few days later, Adam went into the pictures on his phone for something any found pictures during his dream that confirmed that everything he experienced really happened. So there are pictures of a little child with a dented head on a couch running towards his bed and standing there. It is the fuck creepiest because this is like like look at my. I'm like central right now. Terrible because the pictures, I'm not kidding these. It's not like a kind of a shadow. It's definitely child running off the couch Christ this is like so upsetting. And so two weeks later Adam updates everyone again, which by the way, everyone's freaking out in between being like, okay? So two weeks I've gone by. You're not gonna tell us what the fuck happened like your last post was a ghost child running at you. And now we hear nothing, right. So two weeks later Adam updates again saying that he heard thumps and crashing above him. Which was weird because he lived on the top floor. Duplex. And he did figure out that. There was a crawlspace above his absolutely not. There was no access to the crawlspace because to get to the entrance in his ceiling. It's really high above the stairs. He would need a really tall ladder textually reach it. And nobody should be able to reach that crawlspace. So the entrance was in the ceiling above the tall. Stairs, would definitely need a ladder balanced on the stairs to even get up there. God. Okay. So the sounds it's the sounds of he was hearing a we're like something was dropping crashing onto the floor and it sounded very intentional. Like, it was only doing it when he was listening. Okay. So something must have been in there. He thought so he went online and bought a long pole to prop up the hatch of the attic door. He's fucking brave and he got rave enough to peek inside. So at this point, the noise were so loud. He said it sounded like a bowling ball was being dropped in their God. And one day. He went down the stairs. He went like he wasn't playing with the crawlspace all but he was leaving his apartment and he went down the stairs. And he saw dirt on the stairs. Right. Under the crawlspace hatch door as if something had gotten out he looked up. And there was something now wedged in the door of the hatch that had previously never been there before. So now, it looks like it was it was a crawlspace store that he never thought about the news hearing all these sands. He props the door up. Yeah. And then the next time he's there all of a sudden there's dirt as if someone was shuffling. Out of there. And there's something kind of wedged in the doorway. So it looks like something has been in there. So he goes back upstairs, grabs the pole and he films himself doing this. Which this video does exist. He filmed himself with the long pole knowing that there was something wedged on in the door. And he was going to push push the door up. So whatever was wedge. There would fall down. And he didn't know what it would be. So something did fall out on him. And he thought it was a dead bird or something. He said, it might be a squirrel when he looked at it. It was actually a small leather shoe the word from like old days like an old leather show creepy hand sewn child's yes. And Adam called the landlord was like fuck this you bring your own ladder. I need you to check out the crawlspace up there. Absolutely. The Lao the landlord found nothing. And then he said, oh, wait, I found something and he pulled out a very old green marble with with a dent in it. No. And he ended up later looking up this marble and found out that marbles like that with the Denton it only come from the early nineteen hundreds because I was how to make marbles. So it had like a heart of the manufacturing. Right. Right. So the marble and the shoe looked like they were both from the nineteen hundreds. Okay. Really nineteen hundreds so poor choice. Adam took the shoe and marble and put them in his house. Fucking dumb. Like you finally blessed the sky out. He's. On the roof because you can't get in. He ends up in the crawlspace because it's technically not in your area, but he's getting closer to you. And then all of a sudden, you welcome welcomed him back in Jesus I cannot so two weeks later Adam says that he hasn't been feeling well and get sudden bouts of dizziness and no longer sleeps, well and has dreams so longer sleeps think so fucking. Good. So sometimes he makes up in the middle of the night and feels like he's being stared at he feels malice dread. And there are days that he so tired. He can barely function. So he's becoming a mess. It's like driving him crazy after a few nights of this. I'm decides to use the nanny Cam in his bedroom. But the cord wasn't long enough. So he used an app that takes a picture every minute and set the phone in the top corner of his room. So we had a view of everything. So he's trying to just get any picture. He can't of what's happening while he's sleeping, right? That night. He woke up in the middle of the night and decide check his phone and the first one hundred pictures didn't have anything, but then Adam found a picture from a few minutes before before he had woken up of David standing on the couch Adams bed next photos show. David standing staring at the ceiling as if it's like looking at the camera, and then falling over and laying on the couch like he's playing debt or something. And then he was gone. So it looks at the camera looks at the camera. A few pictures. Later, David comes back, and he's now standing by the bed staring at Adam inches from his face. And then the next picture is David standing next to Adam and staring across the room directly at the camera. My god. So then the last picture taken before out on wakes up is David pretty much like inches away from the camera. Like, he just there's been a minute photo. So he's come has climbed all the way up towards the camera. So Adam says, I'm so exhausted. I don't know how to process it. Even now all I wanna do is sleep. The next update from Adam was him saying that he was visiting home for a couple of weeks and who's feeling much better. He was a less foggy and drained almost like whatever was attached to him was going away. And he started feeling like if he moved maybe David follow him. But then while he was at home in Montana while it was snowing. He woke up one night and saw something moving outside his window, and he stared long enough for his eyes to adjust. And then he saw someone moving to the side and hiding away from the window whenever he would look he assumed it was an animal, but the next morning he went out and looked into the snow and Jin front any animal tracks, but he did find small human footprints that vanished in the middle of the field. No in New York. He he gets back and David says he feels like he's being watched. Again, the middle of the night in the app that takes photos every minute is now being spotty. But one night Adam felt really sick and had awful dreams and one was of David hovering in the corner of his ceiling hovering in the air has to in the corner of ceiling mouthing something. No, no, no, no, no, no, David, then begin hovering over his bed, still mouthing something and faster than people should usually speak. So he's talking really fast. Yeah. I don't know. How do they know that his mouth is moving if it's like photos? I guess I don't know. I maybe it's a hang on. Oh, it's because it's dream. It's a dream. So he's having a dream right now. That's photos. He's having a dream that Davis hovering over him in mouthing something really fast. So it's fucking terrible. 'cause he's watching it happen. Yes. Okay. So while Adam is unable to move in this dream, David drop down towards him. An atom woke up to feeling pressure on his chest. Like, the wind got knocked out of him. So that was the end of his dream. He woke up like something like smack hovering over and then fucking drops so terrible. So he goes over to the phone to see if any pictures taken during this dream of this demon dented headed child hovering over him. And then all of a sudden the wind gets knocked out and the only picture that he found on his phone was of a child with a dented head falling on top of his body. What literally photo there's literally photo of it. So apparently as the he wasn't dreaming. This thing was hovering over him and then dropped onto him. And that's when he woke up and saw the picture my mind. This is terrible two weeks later, Adam checks back in saying that he's actually feels really good and has no more dreams and everything stopped for now. But he has a spirit feeling that something is off, and he will lose hours of time with no memory of what happened or he will hear people talking to him when he asks them to repeat themselves. They haven't said anything then his photos on social media start warping themselves. He's he starts trying to post pictures, and they're all coming out really fucked up like on Instagram or something. So like one picture in particular is from Instagram, and there's a picture that he posted that completely glitched on its own and everything else in the picture looks fine except his face looks deformed as if he has a dentist heads up it so many people have thought that looked like his face was no longer. His and sense David has now made physical contact by dropping on top of his body. Eighty. He is now becoming one with David absolutely not. Then people are here nothing from Adam for another two weeks. And then a vague video comes out, very vague makes no sense to this day of Adams cats looking scared and meowing, and it had no explanation or captured or anything just Casio what he posted it. Right. Okay. And some people have hypothesized that maybe it was like, David or dear David now having possessed Adam filming the cats or something like that, very creepy. Then nothing again until Adam wrote in all under case with weird spacing between which is nothing like other tweets. So it seems very out of ordinary for him. All he wrote under case with multiple spaces in between the words. Everything is fine. Then nothing again for another week and a half. And so all of a sudden he says, please do not worry about me. I'm okay. And everything will be like it was before nothing again. And then an update from him saying, I'm doing okay, it's been pretty quiet around here lately. And I've been trying to focus on work. Of course. We'll keep you updated. If anything strange happens, but for now, I'm staying busy with other projects which caused a lot of controversy because people thought if the pictures were doctored or if he set this up for a video camera. He they think that this could have all been faked because he was in the middle of writing a book. So maybe it was for publicity you worked for like BuzzFeed or something, right? So he like, maybe maybe all this was just an act. So the last update was on June sixth of twenty eighteen and it was that a dear David film was in the works being produced by Dan Lin, who was also the producer of it. Oh fuck. Okay. And that is the whole story of David. I just I just don't know. I mean, I just this is terrible. It's terrible. It's truly bananas. It's like so scary. I feel like I was just running through that. But it was just so much the show much. Well, I mean, and like my I always wants something like that. And when acts weird is like carbon monoxide, right right people. Go see things. Sure. Yeah. But the fact that photos. Yeah, not okay. It's all about like, I said, I know there's one on bustle. I know on his actual Twitter. I think it's his pin tweet, but somewhere on his Twitter he actually has a link where he saved all of his dear David threads put them all in like one big space for you to read them chronologically. So you can also look there for all the picture does. But it is worth your time. If you're feeling like getting varies creepy like if you're like, oh, it's just a Twitter threat, and they're not. They're not doctored pictures, this is like real stuff. It's very marketing. Anyway, in my opinion, IMHO anyway. Well, that's so fucking spooky gives me chills. So for everyone who wasn't at the New York Gramercy theatre show. Oh, right. I hope you enjoyed this little insight. But also, I'm so sorry. Didn't get the pictures and the reaction that everyone had from when the light blue blue outside. I like that. I got to actually swear in screaming be psycho during it 'cause I didn't get that opportunity on stage that one's spooks me. So fucking much. It's way creepy real quick. Because I forgot also for speaking of live shows we have a bunch of Florida next week. And I don't think we've like pub like advertise that much so no, please come to our Florida shows that many tickets on there. So like, please Florida show up if you can we have tons cities in tickets. Yes. 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Anyway. Tell me your story. Okay. Sorry. We're back. I'm gonna tell you can I test this real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We're on. So I'm going to tell you a story that I told in DC, and I guarantee you don't remember it. 'cause your mother was there. And I think he blocked out the whole thing just about every second of that entire trip. Yes. Santa's stick. So this is the story of the murder of viola draft. Yup. Don't remember great. Thanks craving you'd at least pretend. But okay, I loved it. It was I love when you talked about that girl. Viola. Okay. So viola we're going to just jump into it. This is one that I was like AMT about doing live Amtrak telling you again. Okay. So this is violence. She was born in in nineteen twenty in Germany. She lived the highlights and post World War Two Germany and learned English at a young age on vacations around the world as well as her time in a boarding school in Scotland. So she was very much like like high-society, basically while living in Munich as a playwright in her twenties. She met the man who would become her future. Her husband. His name was Lieutenant Colonel Francis. S dress, and it was love at first sight. It's very precious. So they got married, and they moved as you do from Germany from eunuch, Germany to Lincoln, Nebraska. Right. As you do. We've all done it. I've I've been there. Okay. Just got out. We just did it just got out of Nebraska, you fall in love you moved in baske-. It's just the waco's and for better for worse. Say lovey Salabi. But despite the culture shock, obviously, she's literally lived in Germany, Scotland her whole life. Welcome to Nebraska, welcome to the heart of America. She adjusted actually really, well, she got an advanced degree in literature, Ohio. Yeah. And this is like, you know, well, I don't know how to do math. But she was born in nineteen twenty and was like the fifties. So okay. This was like not normal for a woman to get an advanced degree education woman. But they don't have a brain saying how how do they do that? How do they hold a pen weird can only hold a spatula at a baby? Oh and a baby. So right. So she got an advanced degree. And also, she was married. So she did have a lot of money. So that was that. But like there's no need for her to get a degree basically got as far as finances. So she gets an advanced degree in literature and philosophy and she starts working as an editor of German newspaper in Nebraska, she had her own show on local TV and she was also an American correspondent for German magazine. So she's like working her butt off just doing wish needs to do. Yeah. So after their stint in Nebraska violin? Her husband moved to DC to continue working their way up in their careers. They were basically this like intense power couples. Her husband Francis. The Colonel as he was nicknamed love it. And he was actually Colonel, but that was his nickname. He worked for the government and he took care of their daughters while viola would jet, set, two new New York and Germany to cover fashion shows and build up her social circle. So I was pretty cute because he's like this high of guy in the military and the government, and he is like watching the kids back at home and she's like building her journalism career. So got it pretty baller. I whatever she needs to do. So at the time she befriended. Norman Mailer Henry Kissinger and other high status people she was described as a notable figure in German American relations, which is a pretty big deal. And in addition to German American politics regularly wrote about culture are and political gossip who so she was just about us, basically covering all all over spots, all of the facets of of life things things in life and interests in culture, culture, Nebraska, it's cetera. She's got it all down got it just like us. Well, not as not as well as us. No, the nobody no one can compare. So on top of all this has been Francis are living in Georgetown, these e this way, they were this charming couple. They were high up on the social ladder this beautiful town home like anyone who's been Giordano's like how expensive and those houses are very she remember talking during the show about my ex boyfriend who lived in Georgetown, and we would go to like lacrosse parties in the stupid houses. And I it's just so stupid. I hate it not been proudest moment. So anyway. I just don't do the work. Sort of. Not enough role Christine in that knows of hers a rabbit. Anyway. So they are this like charming couple. Everyone loves them. They're both super successful. They've beautiful family yada yada in the early eighties. Violet is at a news conference where she meets a young teenage intern from Germany and his name is obliged moot. Who yes now? Pledged albrecht. I don't know. All alright Albrecht Albrecht sure told by Ola he was a diva t of her work and had started reading her column in his youth in his youth, and like a teenager you asshole. So when you were eight weirdo in his youth. He's like I didn't watch Power Rangers. I watched your by readier your Ted talk. I mean in my youth. I re Nickelodeon magazine, please. I was starting young Nicoletti, Maxine, please. Told viola he was right? So I already told her that. So he took her out to lunch at a local schnitzel joint. I'm not making it up. And I'm like where was that? When I lived in DC, I dunno. And although he had only recently moved to DC to study at American University, my alma mater, and Alston's. That's right. That's right. Oh, where you really would be forgotten. Right. I wonder to kinda where we met kind of where we all met cut. I met her when she was seventeen isn't that weird? Anyway. And will sit we were babies her youth her you, are you. So via was impressed. How you should see. How many like TED talks we watch Becton? Okay. I love good. Ted talk though. So I think they existed in that year. No, I just love. Now. I love good. Ted talk. No me to just not in my youth. Probably not. So via was impressed by how intelligent witty and driven. He was they stuck up a star stoop Birla pop-up. They struck up a friendship slush mentor ship and soon he started coming over to her and Francis house unannounced, all the time got it. He was an odd. Duck is what I wrote. Well, welcome to the club. He wants showed up at their house wearing an eye. Patch? I mean to be shown up at my house wearing weird things. I mean, I can't think of any right now. But I know you're right. He wants showed up at their has an ipad and claiming he was in the way of an assassination attempt in Paraguay. Oh, okay. Guy like literally eighteen and was like testing out ideas for his own podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Here's a story. Does it stick? Does it work? Not people like me the patch on the other is the problem that it is. I knew my dimple looked better on this. So anyway back to lend Francis. Unfortunately francis. The Colonel had been battling cancer on January eleventh of nineteen eighty six he passed away. He inviolate been married for forty years, and they had a really really beautiful happy life together. So vile at this point is sixty six and she really did not take her husband's passing while they've been together since she was like in early twenties got it. It's just very hard on her. She and always had such a busy schedule with work and travel and her social life that she had kind of relied heavily on Francis for keeping care of taking care of the house taking care of the kids. And so this was like a complete shift for her to try and figure out like she literally didn't know how to be grocery leaving. Yeah. Like, she couldn't do basic day-to-day stuff because she had relied on him for all of it. So she was pretty much lost. So, of course, her good pal. Come to the rescue Albrecht moot starts popping up all the time. As I say, I like to picture with the patch. He begins showing a lot more attention and affection. She's impressed by his grasp on keeping my she's like sixty six he's like eighteen night. If he's like in maybe early twenties. Now, we're like around twenty shirt, he's very young until you it that way. In his twenties. I believe so he begins touring lot more affection. She is impressed by his grasp on politics, international, affairs, etc. He also just gives her company when she needs it most he would come over unannounced for tea all the time, and sometimes he would serenade her on the baby grand, piano. Well, it is kind of like when you come over, isn't it? I mean, I really I try my best to impress. You all the time. I don't want our love tonight. Well, no, obviously got to keep you on your toes. You're just waiting for blazer dicey. Concern me more often. So all I mean, so I came at least signed papers so Geos half. Well, okay. There's that too. We know what's coming. I like to pretend it's for me. But it's. Yes, sure. I'm not going to say, you're wrong. So after a few months of this. I don't know how I'll look like shows up unannounced as usual this time. He's wearing a tux shows up with a bottle of French champagne as you do gets down on one knee and proposes to violet and she accepts so four years after the death of her first has been violet draft. Now. Seventy years old Mary's twenty six year old moot. Forty four year difference in their ages home. I word quite a shock to all her friends family. How will she seventy seventy holy moly twenty-six after their marriage eccentricity skyrockets? He takes over the domestic duties that the Colonel wants performed except with this weird like formal air to it. So when visitors come by he would serve them tea than like bell, really exaggerated. I love it. How is every now? And then I cook. I I mean, I I've ring on the ring on the doorbell and you up north of one one bow. And I I keep eye contact the whole time you give me a Cup of tea. It's cold because you drove all the way from Burbank. It's usually Starbucks. Let's be real. But just as long as they play the baby grand before I leave. Everything's good. You know, that's all I need. So right. So he'd served he taken exaggerate about and then leave the room and all these people who are friends with who are like in their sixties and seventies. Or like what the fuck is this kid like what is he doing? It's just very strange around this time. He had also fabricated a story that an elderly German count had fallen from an elephant in India while and then don't they don't day, right. Plastic move and needed to appoint a successor before dying. So from that point forward moot insisted on being called count update. Or if you knew pretty will count Albie again. I'm not saying he's coming left, and right, but they don't call me the count for nothing. Also, homey, your Bubis are showing what's going on. Listen, it's all this baby grants. I I was like I like the purple in your shirt, and I was like, oh, that's your bra. Listen, I can't control myself. Okay. I understood patch. It's piano. They're hitting every point. We should have had that going on for a third love. Add real quick. Yeah. Time we're doing a third. Just don't wear shirt bronchitis. Really? It is literally only them they even pay for this ad just walked in. I literally I like the purple in your shirt, and I was like that's not a shirt. It was like this color. If you're trying to match or something blazes shaking his head like plays loves this. Also, wait, blaze. You wanna shake your head even more here at the same time? Jio you're saying, mommy. Keep your shirt on what's wrong and also get rid of lemon. Has limits. My friend God. Get rid of love. And he's my friend. I blaze I was up at that altar with you. And I gave you an out you could have said, no, I don't. But instead you fuck you said I do. Join the party later and sickness and in health play. That's what you agreed to lemon and lemon. Wait. Wait. Wait, wait in citrus. And in health get out of here by blaze village, he gets to leave Hutson. No, I'm not doing this anymore and taking the dog. I'm taking the scariest thing you could have said. Okay. Hey guys about musher. But it all the way to the neck this time this ever happens truly to left. So you have. Because that's horrifying. Okay. Yeah. This is you guys are getting more of a show than the people in DC. Did we got hot sauce, Bubis lemon? We got blaze really hating it. We got blazed citing divorce pay for. Yes. Wow. Anyway. Okay. So he says he's now account right? He's like, oh, we'll don't worry. This guy fell off and elephants. And now, I'm account. Right. That makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. So following the end of the Iraq war in two thousand three let me say again. Iraq war, Iraq, Iraq. We just talked about your rack. Okay. Okay. Following the end of the Iraq war in two thousand three he suddenly adopted the rank and wore the uniform of a Brigadier General in the Iraqi army. Oh, wow. So far going so far as to organize diplomatic events in DC that he claimed were for the new the new Iraqi regime even managed to arrange a ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery to honor fallen American soldiers on behalf of the Iraqi regime all of this is made up like he's just inventing this every day. He's waking up with stories just coming up with like this book. Like, we've pushed pushed the envelope. Let's see how far we can really get a go. Let's rip the envelopes and see what happens, but shredded pieces shredder. And set it on fire. So he even made up this is fun family crest out. I feel like in high school, and you people who pulled shit like that. I think I always when I was younger. I pressed were more important because I thought you got to customize them like when you did like five hundred years ago true. But I think like as a child my mentality of it was every like descendant every like every dear new generation gets to add something else. That's why they were like so elaborate so was like, oh, this person added an author and this person had a bird put the slime recipe on it for sure I was like SpongeBob is absolutely crest votes of arts would have matched, right? Right. So he makes up a Chris for himself. Like, this is just bonkers, by the way, this guy literally like in high society in DC in the two thousands. This is very recent. This is not like old timey. Okay. So he makes this crust. But he so he's eccentric obviously quote center, but it turns out that his life with file it was actually a lot darker than it seemed from the outside in ninety two. So this is the way in two thousand three but looking back like in ninety two object was convicted of beating viola the beginning of a rap sheet that would chronicle numerous cases of domestic abuse. My phone phone good. He wants punched in the face for interrupting phone call. Are you just interrupted my phone? Call hookah come over here. Yeah. So right. He wants face for interrupting a phone go. She's in her seventies. And he's like in his twenties. It's horrible one night. They were staying at the plaza. And he threw her clothes into the hall and locked her out of the room for the night and she poor poor woman. Yeah, she ended up having to call her friend, and she it was like so mortifying 'cause right like bin cheeses created her own life, and she's been she's like this big strong power woman. And all of a sudden now, she's like at the hands of this, exactly. And like with her husband of forty years like who respected unload horseback. Right. Like supported her. And now there's this like assholes taking advantage of her right beating the shit out of her and it God. And so she has to call her friends would be like, hey, remember that guy that you like fucking hate who bows, it you all the time. Like right patch with I've had you you remember him like he just pushed me out into the hallway of a hotel room I paid for and like me up especially at seventy years old. You don't push anyone. That's like just an extra pushing alone is like just you don't fucking treat. Anyone? In that way. But like come on what what are you doing? So meanwhile, he's also actively having affairs with men okay surprise at one point. He even moved in with a boyfriend whom he also domestically abused. Before being kicked out by them, say abuse can happen to anyone not just women. Absolutely. And by anyone also. Yes, yes. It can also be women. So like good for that guy. He was with to kick him out. But the only down side was then he moved back in with Eliza. Like, yes, it's just a bad cycle once insulted violence daughter who was like a grown woman who also had a successful career. Yeah. And when violet defended her swung chair at her repeatedly pounded her head against the floor. No after she called nine one one and had him arrested left for a while claiming to be in Iraq working side by side with bigwig officials to end the war. Meanwhile, when he called his area code showed up as Miami, Florida. She's like not best stupid. But despite all this somehow he was able to woo her back, and I think people her friends and her daughter and her kids and family friends say like she was just in such a bad place after husband. I'd like she just needed to be there for her like it was just he just took advantage of very vulnerable. Person course, so to this day, there's no evidence that he actually ever stepped foot in Iraq. Despite this many years like decades of acting like he was some sort of like a rocky console member, right. And like was hosting events at Arlington. They could just so banana. So there's no proof that he had ever stepped foot in Iraq. But when he finally returned to Georgetown, he began walking the streets in the Iraqi uniform, which is an all of uniform with a red beret. So he just started wandering DC believe he's just this the most ridiculous government like out of control in his twenty like he's not like an eccentric old, man. Who's like earned the right to be in Centric, man, which I am on my way to which like someday, we will be those people I feel like at least we'll be nice to other people. Right, but weird shit and abusive. No ja tere compulsive liar. Totally all this narcissistic etcetera. So once again. He's back in Georgetown, escalator home surprise prize. Viola now ninety years old. They're still together. Yes. So he's fortyish now. Yes. Okay. Yes. We thirty six thirty six. Well, look at me go. Wow. Right. No fuck that's wrong. She was seventy when he was twenty six and now she's ninety. He's forty six. Yeah. That's what I meant. I was so proud of myself. I was like, wow. Look at you doing simple math. And I was like, oh never mind. Good. Great. So sad. It's okay. You've got your two beers in today. Parents pay for my private education world will never I asked Linda every single day. I'm like, why did you do this do to okay? Once again things escalate at home that was ninety at this point. Although she knew that outlet monitored her emails, and even sometimes sent emails under her name to people like would just go at her account, and like Email people she was too frustrated with technology to create a new account. So she like just like, whatever got it. I'm just going to keep using the one I had over the year. She'd lost touch with many friends and acquaintances because of elect they hesitated to invite her places for fear. That would come to her church even banned him from entering the building church fucking bands. You right. So at this point a lot of people had called out on his shit, obviously. So he spent most of his time at home he would lounge on the couch drinking most days would frequently send via long. Nasty emails from the other room berating her at telling her health from the other room in the same house never left the house. So she wouldn't like in her bedroom or whatever and he'd be like in the living room right in her nasty emails and the emails berated her told her how her compliments meant nothing. He was the only reason she had ever had any success. She what mounted to nothing everything you ever did before you even met me is because of me. Yeah. Got it. Or it was worthless. That's doesn't matter rate, and like she's just a piece like he's just emotionally abusing her left and right on top of physically, right? So one afternoon in twenty eleven like met up with a friend. He had met on Craigslist. How you do in Nebraska. The front didn't drink but got belligerently drunk and ended up staggering his file is house. I guess. Staggered home at ten PM. Oh, this is a fun. Fact, he called their home. So his name was Albrecht. He called it the elbrick -tory like a rector. I hate that. I love it. I don't wanna love it hate it. Because he invented that. He was like all these weird titles and shit. But if there was a way to name like like, my place after me, I'd find a way to do it. I mean there is like your wifi name just do true. Just like do that like how ours is like Geos house or whatever just do that or used to be in our old apartment mines, Marnie McGuire. Fly. I'll see that's good. You're good. I know no need to change it. No. You're right. You're right. GS house for a long time. I don't know what it is here. I think it's WI fi e four five six eight or something clever like that. So if you see that on your wifi, you might be neighbor. Okay. So the elbrick's he's just it's not even his house, by the way. Like, that's the thing. It's not his house. He doesn't look like. So he had gotten so drunk that his friend wrote him an Email saying like this front he met on Craigslist. I'm really don't feel comfortable meeting up with you ever again. Wow. Because like you were so out of control just to give you an idea of how fucking belligerently drunk this guy got. So the very next morning on August twelve to that was that night. He met up with the fried and got bullet belligerently drunk headed home to the Albrecht ary. The next morning police got a call from Albro. This August twenty eleven call the police saying he had returned home from his morning walk to find his wife violence body on the bathroom floor. Oh, no. This point. She's ninety one years old. So police assume it been a fall, but the medical examiner quickly realized that viola scalp was bruised her thumbnail was torn. Each are just go on talked about spines. I we'll talk about now. And the cartilage in her neck was fractured. Oh my God. She had also been strangled, and they determined she'd been strangled and bludgeoned to death. As soon as violence death was ruled a homicide. I said she was killed. Just buckle up said she was killed as a result of a failed Iranian assassination attempt on him kid. The fuck out of here such a piece of shit. Oh my God. Then he presented family members with a letter stating that he would collect one hundred fifty thousand dollars upon his wife Steph. He's like look at this letter. Bingo here it is. What is the prize? It's the police only four days to collect enough evidence to arrest him during that period, they forbade him from entering his home. So instead he slept in Georgetown park, wearing a perfectly tailored houndstooth blazer. Such a fucking nut job. So let's do a quick run through because like throughout the trial. He was just an absolute nightmare job like so beyond nightmare wet job at so I'm just going to give you like a little run through of how he behaved during the preliminary hearing like shows up in his orange prison jumpsuit with pops caller and insisted on keeping the color popped like he's like he's a twelve year old in two thousand five or something. He just learned what era Paul stores, a double double collar Pap that was a one time trying to forget that for two decades. Welcome back to Pooku. Shell land helped me during his first appearance in court. He complains that corrections officers want him to wear underwear saying, quote, a serving officer in the Iraqi special God with it. We don't wear underwear. And they're like what what the hell. His second appearance at court. He announces that he would serve as his own attorney. We always know is really good sign. I mean, it's my favorite way to do. Yes, we always know that the most sane people. Do that exactly. How you get out of everything. Exactly. It's most effective most effective your own Turney, real attorney shouldn't even exist. Oh, what's the point of that? Why? When you got yourself when all these people can do it themselves. I would like to hire him as my attorney. Also, did you hear his special? You get him Ted Bundy. Oh, hell ya done. Second appearance court announces that he would serve as his own attorney in that. He would begin quote an unlimited fast. Great for what point nobody knows. When doctors pleaded with him to eat told them that he was following orders from the archangel Gabriel. I'm going to lose my mind, they they needn't worry about his ability to survive because he was comparable to a camel was he he said he was also comparable to Jesus. I I'm telling you, he's just fucking derail. Like at this point. I hope even he knows. He's like, I'm I've lost it. He's like, I'm not. Okay. I just close my eyes like threw myself into a hole, whatever I'm just going to close my and whatever image shows up. I is going to be the next thing. I talk about came. Right. And there's Jesus right? So he's a camel. He's also Jesus. So he doesn't need to eat because angel told him to that's the least crazy things. He's said, by the way, the least harmful thing he's done to anyone else, which is just beyond. So on Thursday, January sixteen twenty fourteen jury deliberates only about three hours before finding like mood who's now forty nine guilty of beating and strangling, social and journalist viola her death. He was sentenced to fifty years in prison. So basically. Well, he's only. Well. Yeah. I mean, it depends on parole think but in fifty years, I don't think it's too long. He's in his forties, so credit. Yeah. Possibly possibly life depending on his genetics depending on if you ever fucking eats again. Right. Right. Right and networks the stories Jesus. Like who cares? Right. That's true. Walk right out of iron bars. I mean as far as I know he's friends with archangel Gabriel. So and camels and camel. So like, Patrick got everything covered. The story. Violet dress murder is currently being made into a movie called Georgetown. Ooh, or there's like two titles working title yet, two working titles to Georgetown or the worst marriage endorsed. Well, they're both on the nose starring and directing starring and directed by my boyfriend Chris off waltz, which when we did this live the, and that's what I was Christine's boyfriend. We got quite a few weird. I remember there was one with like plays in then they drill German Speedo. It was like a whole thing. I remember in. I don't know if this was the same place where we cover the story. But one of the DC shows are, and that's why would draw phallic worshiping. Wow. Do I regret that? I have never seen that many Dix. I think that might have been the same day because there were speed in mine penises galore in your chest. All my God. So many penises it was it was rough sausage fest. That's working title of our podcast. Yeah. It was originally called sausage fest. Yeah. We're still considering going back to them. We might go back. I mean after the next hundred episodes. We'll just do a little throwback title. I'm like anyone will notice in not at all. Right. So that is the story of the murder viola draft. I love it. It's hate it. Bonkers, isn't it? But I love it. Like, I didn't even know that existed until I lived there. I mean, you lived there. I'd never heard of it before. And it's pretty recent. So yeah, crazy. I did have a horror scope that. I had written out for that show on. So what's his name? I call them Kristoff. We're not talking about your boyfriend anymore. Okay. Team. It I want to though. So it was a Taurus is a Taurus, he's still alive. He's still alive. Bore mayton. Okay. So let's not the most nutritious breakfast. You can have today is a big bowl of bravado. Oh my goodness. If you step out into the world acting like you own it by the end of the day. You just might my word. I think he actually did read this horse go. I think actually I think he is the one who said this in the mirror to himself as daily affirmation wrote this no he took violence fucking Email account scented into the daily DC. I have a hunch that should say this Washington Post here. Now, I write I wrote a horse actually, the the Iraqi war told me that that you should say this rocky angel that came to me, it's a whole thing. Yeah. Treat yourself like the mover and shaker you hope to be and others will see you a such hit a forty five minute Vignon flow class or settle back in the massage chair and enjoy a power nap and a pedicure don't let drama at home seep into your nine to five maybe take a trip to farmers markets to pick up some dark, leafy greens. All my goodness. And did seasonal goodies like beats and squash. Okay. Well, the kind of. Derailed? But let the beginning was pretty spun wasn't he rail? It's very, it's your bravado and squash. And also, it is telling him to buy a lot of food, and like he is fasting as far as I know. So maybe maybe it's like it's still on the nose piece Alytus perfect anyway. So that's story of violent death that we covered in November. Wild wild. Well, thank you for that. Thank you guys for listening to our stories and are very long rant in the beginning. We had a lot to say to you. We did. Thank you so much for everyone listening. If you want to reach us or find us or stay in touch with us or keep updated with anytime. We wanna do or five to three in your here. Mardi MC wifi and the password is Tonia my. But if you are interested in keeping up with us, you can find our social media on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram AT, www podcast. You can also find our website, and that's dot com. 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The Pastry Pro's Pastry Pro, Claudia Fleming

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The Pastry Pro's Pastry Pro, Claudia Fleming

"Hi I'm Carla Lally music and you're listening to Radio Cherry bomb. Hi Bomb Squad. Welcome to Radio Cherry bomb. The number one female focused food podcast in the universe. I'm your host Kerry diamond today. Show is a personal thrill for me earlier. This year I sat down with Claudia. Fleming the wildly influential pastry chef and author of the last. Course the the cult cookbook. That has been out of print until now Claudia's book which he wrote with bomb squad favourite. Melissa Clark has been reissued and she's here to tell us what she's been up to thank you to our sponsors Likud on Bleu culinary schools and emmy cheese from Switzerland. Show them some love because they love the bomb squad and make our show possible before we get to this all star episode. Let's do some housekeeping Miami. We are headed your way for the next stop on the radio. Cherry bomb food for thought tour will be at chef. Lorena Garcia's new restaurant Chica on Monday. 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A Brioche sauteed pairs and lots of Emmy wreck lead it's delicious way to spice up breakfast or Brunch at home or how about some of errands holiday baking recipes. There's her skillet citrus almonds Danish with gooey rack. Let caramel the showstopper. Combines flavors are Bright Blood Orange Orange Almond cream and a truly rich caramel sauce made with nutmeg and Emmy Clip if you're looking for a new recipe to wow them with the season look no further. You can find these recipes and more at Emi. USA Dot Com and you can find emmys delicious cheeses from Switzerland the ones with distinctive blue and red logo at your favorite grocery she store or cheese monger. The last courses coming back so it wasn't the last course now no thankfully thankfully it was the next last. Of course yeah so tell us how the new one is different from the original which came out in two thousand one. I know it's not really different and it was explained to me. See that because it's not digital that it was just cost prohibitive to make many changes so they basically just changed the cover. Oh great okay. So so all the the gold. That's in there. It's all the same. It's all the same all the same. Okay great so you worked on this with Melissa car I did like we said back in in two thousand and one before. She was the Cookbook Queen. Exactly I mean that could never happen today. How did you to cross paths at that time? The New York Times was running a series whereby they would choose a chef and do six weeks. I think it was of recipes and Melissa was the CO writer so she was my co writer and and we just hit it off. She's just wonderful. Just wonderful she is just like a shining star. We love her. Yeah archery bomb so the cookbook back. You are back in a way. I mean even know you're in Long Island. You probably felt like you were many countries away. Yes when you're outside of the metropolitan area you're all but dead. I mean you know people are like what are you doing Mike. I run a restaurant like it's not doing anything. So but you know because it's not a New York. It's just not recognized as much watches things here so we always love to start at the beginning and you did not set out to become the pastry chefs pastry shaft. No I didn't know you set out to become a dancer. Yes so can you tell us how this young girl growing up in Long Island decided that she was going to be a dancer. Yeah I you know I asked asked my mom that later in life. I'm like mom. Why did why did I go to ballet classes? She said 'cause that's what you did. You sent your girl to ballet classes and you just took to it so so we just kept sending you and so you know and I developed a passion for it and and just kept going took it as as far as I could which wasn't very far where you baking and taking valet whenever little mom baking grandma's mom was was a you know it's funny because obviously I'd listen to a lot of the podcasts and I am so not that kid that grew up by her grandma or MOM's side ride helping bake this that the other thing that was not me. I was dancing but I did grow up in an talion family. Where food was extremely important and good food was just to be gotten always always? We just had good food. We never had frozen or canned vegetables. And and so you know wholesome delicious food was part of my life who cooked at home mom and she from Italy or my grandmother was okay and My grandmother during the Depression worked which was very unusual and my mother had two sisters and they did all the housework in the cooking king. And you know my mom just became a really great cook and she did like to bake as well. Did Grandma with you know now. But we saw her every week take and when she came to visit she'd Bring Fennel and pomegranate citizenry two favorite things. It was exotic for back then. I ate a pomegranate until I was like. Hello my thirties. Yeah I know that's what I mean. So they good. Food is always around and unusual. Things were around. That's amazing. Tell us the next step. So so you decide you want to pursue professionally and you come to Manhattan. I come to Manhattan. I was my sister is the most nurturing wonderful wonderful giving generous person ever. She is ten years my senior and when I was fifteen as my birthday present that year. She invited me to live with her. She lived in Manhattan and she paid for my dance classes. I know like what twenty five year old wants their fifteen year old sister living with them all summer my sister. Wow that's really nice. Yeah so I would take the bus to Lincoln Center everyday and take classes abt go to the library after classes and just read read all about dancing and stuff and so she was really super encouraging. But then you know I was in high school and I just kept taking classes blah blah. She found A. Because I mean I was decent but I wasn't going to be in a BTU or city valet or but did you know that. At the time I think I did. Okay I think I did. Yeah I mean all you have to do is look around the class and you know my legs aren't dancer Sir. Legs right like so. She found a school in Hartford. It was affiliated with the Hartford Ballet and it was a teacher training program so I enrolled in that in learned and got certified to teach which I really had no interest in so one of my instructors is there was from New York and while I was there I got very interested in modern dance because again my body type is not Ballerina. It's much more suited for modern modern dance after school. I came to New York to dance with Janet Garrison was her name and you know pick up performances performances here and there but it was the eighties and it was a little crazy and I was not as dedicated as one needs to be or talented enough. I mean can you just at a certain point you have to just say okay. This is not this is not gonna go anywhere for me. So what were you doing to make ends meet. I was working in restaurants and I- waitressing webbed it. Yes he loved it. I loved you waitress at the Union Square. Right jams was my jams. Was Your Johnson. Got My first jams was my first good place restaurant. Yeah yeah and that was transformative. I mean that was incredible. Incredible Jonathan was Jonathan. Waxman was lashed out of a jam from Alice Waters and Michael McCartney and he came east to it opened the first California Restaurant California style restaurant and it was super exciting. I mean anybody. Who's anybody was there? Like Mick Jagger Robert Redford like just every it was nuts and so fun it was just felt like the pace in the. How would the tips they were great? They were great. It was a good living really good living so you catch the restaurant. Don't bug I catch it hard but was really attracted to working in the kitchen. For whatever reason who gave you your first I break. How'd you go from front of House? Tobaccoville told Jonathan. I thought maybe I wanted cook. And he said well come into the kitchen and see if you like it and Jonathan. Jonathan was way ahead of his time and he the three women who ran basically ran the kitchen. There were women which was little unheard of in the mid eighty s and they were super encouraging and very inspirational to me. Did you gravitate immediately toward pastry. Not at all. Okay now I I want to be a cook and I went to Peter Camps and at that time it was in a two story Brown stone school back then on ninety fourth street cooking cooking school. Yes yes and it was ramshackle and it was funny quirky little place and you know it was quit two months course of three month. Course something silly like that and then I went to union square but again it's a server because as we've just mentioned it to good living it's hard to make the transition from front of the house tobacco. The House still is. Yeah Yeah but that was an epic time to be at Union Union Square L.. Yeah Yeah. He's first restaurant at the time. Still has only one probably right. Oh yes yeah for until gramercy tavern. it was his only one. Yeah what what was that like. In the early days completely transformative I mean he is as we know genius and you know the whole hospitality Taliban At that time it was still a very French seen or fine dining French right and and a super hospitable not highbrow server server wasn't the norm yeah he was co defying modern American hospitality. Absolutely yeah yeah and it was cool. It was fought like you could be yourself self and if you'd like to make people happy then that was all you need to do. And Luckily for me he recognize that in me and is pretty great at recognizing that everybody or anyone who has it and so it was just a group of super warm nurturing loving people trying to make people happy creating creating memories as we say. How'd you wind back of House? They're asked Michael Romano if I could. He said of course and I started in Garner. Shay explained explained people with that. I don't know the salutations on the salad station and glamorous as it sounds right yes okay. So you're doing guard. Maget doing Garmon Shea win win. Does the seed the pastry seed planted. Well it's GonNa take a little bit longer to get there but my personal life is now in crisis and I wanNA leave New York. It's summer I don't WanNA spend another summer in stinky dirty Hot New York so I reach out to a friend from jams which it was in the eighties. That's another thing. Yes dinky dirty huw gossip's bad and he hooks me up with this friend in Colorado in Aspen where I can go to work for the summer. Why not break so go to Aspen for the summer? And I come back to Union Square Square and Michael says to me. Well I don't really. I don't have anything in the savory side of the kitchen but pastry chef needs an assistant interested. I like sure sure you know until you have something I can slip into. I'll learn anything course. That was it. I never left but you know I was older. I started cooking much older and mind saying what are you are thirty thirty three. I was wow okay so that that's very encouraging for everybody who we've a lot of career changers. Yes out. There are people who would love to go work in the food industry. I think if you don't have it figured out by the time you're in your early Bundy's but that's not the case ever know now especially if you you come. I refer to myself as a restaurant rack. So like if you've come up in the restaurant industry it's a little different than if you're coming from publishing or marketing getting or those other things that are not quite as grueling physically as a restaurant is and also having the dance background whereby right you know just physically Armstrong and can stand for twelve fourteen hours a day and it's not that didn't used to be that big a deal. It's getting to be a bigger deal now. Now so I'm thirty one and the guys on the line like nineteen and they're throwing in playing with fire and knives like that's scary. I'm like you know. I think I'm going to stay a here. Did you have an affinity for it at that point like did you do together for you know now. Oh I was just like learning absorbing and I have to say that when I was in Aspen the person I was living with had a copy of Nancy Silverton First Pastry Book and that also contributed to my enthusiasm to want want to jump into pastry because I read it backwards and forwards inside and out into this day. She still my idol. I just think she's the greatest ever. It's so interesting you say that because we did a baker special Surveyed all these pastry chefs and bakers. And ask them who they're like. The baking hero is an Nancy. Silverton was the number one. Yeah I mean there's no one like her I mean she's just she's a genius. There's this pants down. And ironically the guy that was doing pastry at jams had been her assistant back in La. We needed to do a little. Nancy seve family tree influent. Yeah absolutely because you never worked for her. I didn't came very close not to work for her. Okay we'll tell call that part of that comes later so what. I'm what I'm curious about is. When did you start to put together your vocabulary because now grammercy not so gramercy I mean and I think that that's like this very important in that you don't get to do that right away right if you do? You're very lucky but working in restaurants is not about being creative. It's about learning your craft and practicing and getting it right and doing it wrong in learning how to fix it and consistency consistency and efficiency. Because we were regular they want it to taste the same every time like a restaurant is nothing if it's not consistent it's probably the number one. Most important thing in being a successful restaurant is consistency. So when I said vocabularies meaning like the things that you became yellow well known for that happened for five six seven eight years. Okay I mean I never even try. I never dared to try to do my own stuff until I was encouraged by Tom to do it. You you know working in restaurants will give you a very stylized version of what desserts are so I'm at Union Square and I'm there for awhile while and also in between my working front of the House at Union Square and working on the floor. At night I was stashing more Shea. Also it and so drew was opening tribeca grill and he asked me if I wanted to join the opening team there so I went. I left Union Square to go to Tribeca Grill and my late husband. Jerry Hayden was the pastry chef sous chef there so Danny Andrew Friends was that a fringe about an okay move I think so okay. I think I know how competitive it was back then. It is competitive but I think that one of the most generous things about working in a restaurant is the recognition that you need to move around and learn because as I said it's very stylized so you're learning particular styles in particular things and so when I went to Tribeca and learned all of Jerry's desserts. I knew how to make make those desserts. Did I necessarily have a good grasp of basics. I didn't feel I did so I wanted did a more fundamental education and so I went to France and worked in pastry shops in those pastries St haven't changed for hundreds of years. At Fao Sean. I was a freshman year now famous for their ECLAIRS. I had a French boyfriend who I was working in a little tiny shop and one day he comes to visit me after work. And he's like come on. I got you a stash wrong. I'm like what I have to this this day. No idea who he didn't but there I was working for Sean and did you work there. Appear was there. Wow that's fun. Yeah what's what's he doing. Macaroni no not yet. Not yet his he went to lottery. Yes yes and. That's when the macaroni Joe going back home became very famous. Then it was what they refer for to his entre me. which are those gorgeous? Well cakes basically With Mousse cake and all kinds of beautiful designs. It's so what did you learn in Paris. I learned a lot about what I didn't want to do. which was those beautiful perfect cakes and classic? I mean they're necessary. It's necessary to know those techniques but but they seem not as organic to me as what I was attracted to so both Nancy and Lindsey share from shape. Pennies were might to go to cook books. They they were just more American visions of pastry and it just just made more sense to me. I don't know it's so interesting. How all these things are kind of coming together so you you started and ballet gravitated to modern dance you know you now? You started in restaurants. You're at jams and Union Square. which really were like? We said Ma you know the start of modern American Dainius in a way that plus you shape unease and obviously what Nancy and other people are doing in La. So it's no surprise you go to Paris and to learn the basics and you're like I do modern American desert. Yeah that's very interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. Yeah that's great we'll be right back with Claudia Fleming after this quick break. Are you daydreaming about culinary school again. Make this the year. Your Dreams Become Reality With Gordon. Blue the legendary culinary school study classic French Culinary Techniques and cuisine and Patisserie as part of their exclusive nine month Legrand diploma cloned and graduate into a world of opportunity. You also can extend your course of studies to include culinary management and dedicated internships. Likud blue has locations in more than twenty countries around the world and located within some of the best food cities out their London. Ottawa Madrid Bangkok Talk Tokyo. And of course the spiritual home of cuisine and liquid on Blue Paris turning your day dreams into reality is closer than ever visit court on blue dot. Edu for more and let your culinary adventure again and we're back with Claudia Fleming so you spend a little time there though. Yeah almost a year. Yeah it was cool but factory basically there were like thirty the we romanticize it so much. Yeah but there are literally like thirty guys and me and then I was. He's thirty three and it's like who's the grandma like. Nobody talked to me like it was. It was painful for a long time. I I remember the first time I got out for coffee. It was so exciting. But it's not like I stayed friends with anybody. Came and went and then I came home and floundered for a little while did some catering and stuff and then got a call from Danny and saying that he was going to open this new American restaurant and there was such a big deal such now I mean you look at the list of restaurants opening and it's like Oh my God like one hundred restaurants it's opening each season but back then that was that was a moment and I don't know if you remember the New York magazine cover with it was a white wight cover with four black stars on it. You know the next four star restaurant question mark and so pressure. Fresher is is on. There was no such thing as an American four star restaurant. It didn't exist of goosebumps just hearings. Yeah I mean we were all like were you the head. You're the head pastry chef right. I have not answer because it was such a non you know I mean Tom will tell you he did not want somebody who had a strong style and I know that he was considering Richard Leach but Richard was not malleable anymore. He had his own style. So this is Tom Calico. Who In case you thank NCUA was he came out of the womb and went right to top chef? That's not exactly no so. I did his desserts for a long time and then slowly but surely evolved into doing mine so tell us the signatures of Claudia. Fleming desert. Well back then. It was at least three components on the play. Something warm something cold something crispy. Something soft something within creamy like just all that stuff right. I had ten people in the Pastry Department. I smuts what's now we have to me. And somebody else provided they don't call in sick yes or have to go to a birthday party or someone's wants aniversary or get a flat tire or any life. Event only got ten people in the pastry. I'm pretty sure they have that now. What were the things you couldn't take off the menu back then? The data winter or fall. It was apple winter banana summer. It was pitch. Did you serve it with ice cream. Yes yes and and originally that you know because we opened in July. It was peach and you know Tom insisted on that. Was it had black pepper ice cream. It was the days of herbs finding their way into deserts. Gail Greene hated it then. She hates it now. She has no bones about telling you she would say to me at wake you put them on their hate that stuff. I don't know because that's poopie trend. Exploring for those of you who don't name shoes the legendary restaurant critic back then for New York magazine and she would come in disguises. But now I think about it you probably all knew it was her giant hats rate and no one aspect then red hat great guy. Oh my God I can just imagine no like would tell you just straight up how it was. I didn't sugarcoat anything. So how are you incorporating operating herbs into the desert some well for me the easiest way to do that was always through ice cream or creams because there they can absorb flavor. Fat Absorbs Flavor. Very well I was never crazy about having herbs on the plate. I mean even mint which is ubiquitous. On was anyway on dessert plates. Who wants to eat a piece of mint? I duNNo. It's kind of gross. So I would infuse things things with herb flavors as opposed to putting the actual herb on the plate audit still do that. I still do that. Somewhat walking over to Union Square the the Union Square greenmarket. Oh yes yeah. Yeah yeah definitely. Yeah I mean both Tom. And Danny were really instrumental in that movement. And it stayed with me today. I mean I don't go to the greenmarket now. I go to farmers Frankish. You're out in the north fork where their actual actual foreign farms. Yeah so how long were you at gramercy. Seven years eight years. Yeah although if you talk to veterans of Grammercy people there for twenty years man right because Danny was one of the first in America to identify it as a career. Yep working in restaurants in all as if it were career you know vacations weekends off health insurance sadly still a radical idea. Sadly Adly yes. Yeah so let's go back from minute to the book so two thousand and one the last course comes out and came out at a challenging time Right after nine eleven but it went. I don't know how the early sales were but it went on to become an absolute classic was was it identified as a classic back in two thousand and one or did that take timing so I mean it wasn't even nominated for anything so I don't know there was no instagram lake. uh-huh but I'm sure I'm sure it got some love but at at because now I mean the book being reissued and we're gonNA talk about that. The book went out of print. Rent was selling for a ridiculous amount of money on Ebay Amazon and everywhere you could find vintage and second hand books and many people would contact me all the time and say do you have any bucks. I'm like no I don't have any books boomers PD one. I'll give you the recipe like we want to give it to you. I don't care that some books boxes closets. What was the evolution of this book? I wish I could say I don't know just kind of happened apart from me. I didn't know it was happening. I didn't sense it was happening until kind of email and stuff became so crazy popular. People were emailing me all the time for the book. I'm like wow. This is really weird but I have to set you know. I'm so honored that they are reissuing this book. That's a big deal. Yeah most books. Don't get reissued. I mean it has to be really major book to get that kind of treatment from publisher. Sure and no. It's it is really a great honor and when did you all decide grateful. You're going to reissue. It publisher reached out to me probably last winter. And sure if you want to read it. Yeah thrilled delighted. Yeah let's do it. And how different is the book. It's not not I'm different twenty years later looking very different looking back at the book. What what makes you crazy? I mean we did a cherry bomb cookbook and you know what truthfully. There's only one or two things that makes me crazy photographs recipes. Yes but what's one thing you look back in. There's like more than one thing you know you guys suffered some things are so pretentious. I'm like it's such two young young crafts persons perspective. I feel like but timeless I mean so many of these pictures. Well yes that would be the photographer. She was amazing. What eventually became the most popular recipe in this cookbook? Probably Tapioca the chocolate caramel tart and and the gingerbread because the gingerbread so easy to make people just love to make that super simple. What trends are you responsible for? Starting to think when you look back to that time of grammercy I'm GonNa say things on Menus still and you're like oh come on the normal tart for sure salt on chocolate chocolate which was not me like. I got that from peer from French. They were doing it. I but yeah that's so common now and that that was radical totally salt on chocolate chip cookie or something on my God. No one did that. Yup Caramel Caramel like burned Carmel. I remember Jeffrey Stein. Garten who came to grammercy with peer or May said I really liked that but the but the Karma was so dark. I'm like we'll yeah. It's not burnt sugar. It's not carnal Carmona's it's not. You know he was like. Oh Oh okay so it's supposed to be a little bitter like that. Yeah it's supposed to be better like that to balance to the super sweet sugar anyway. So you even Jerry have the idea for north fork table. In which is he gets he. Okay we were both. It's totally really his fault. We were both consulting at the time which is not a very gratifying experience. It's like kind of watching in your children. Go off to school way too soon. You know it's like it's like it's yours and then it's gone and you don't get to take care of it. So yes he. It was always his dream actually two. He spent summers out on the north fork growing up so it was always history to go back there one day and open a restaurant but not just a restaurant. You had a restaurant of an in in in. Yeah I know yeah just tack that on any around at a place. That's pretty seasonal so seasonal. Who knew how were the first few years really heart? I mean restaurants are hard like no matter or what we didn't investors. They're mostly friends and family. You know it's still an incredible challenge still amazingly challenging because it I mean it's getting more year round just because people work differently now like so. Many people can work from home so people were there air maybe three or four days a week instead of just two or three days a week and people are moving out there and living around Elizabeth Karmel who is not on the show Biz living living in. I think Saga Pornogr- I'm agansit out. Lovely Yeah Yeah. Yeah the yeah. The southfork is a little more ahead of that than the north fork but there are more and more people moving out a lot of the farmers out there are not there like New York City. Transplants like people who are looking for more meaningful life and more environmentally conscious. And all that stuff so there are many many really cool new farmers in addition into the amazing farmers who have been there for generations and winemakers. There's so much I mean it's really. It's not an undiscovered gem. Everybody and now knows about it now but still I just feel like slightly under appreciated. Were just how amazing everything is out there so you go out there. It's not easy and then your husband's diagnosed with Lou GEHRIG's disease and for job that so physical. Yeah you know. You're you're not sitting at a desk all day. You're on your feet. Yeah how how did you to even start to deal with that. I can't imagine you know. I think you don't really think about it when it's happening. You just try to get through it in. The nature of the disease is such that it changes so consistently infrequently and you're always dealing with a new stage and more and more loss loss and more it. It was just like just trying to keep up with. It was horrible. Yeah it's horrible running this business at the same time. Yeah Yeah and you know. His frustration not being able to engage fully my frustration in not being to to execute his vision adequately. It was very hard jerry only fifty when he pals. Yeah Yeah so sorry. So he was gaffe forty six when he was diagnosed. Really Young really young. I mean in a way to almost never got a chance took that northward table in off the ground than the way it deserved. I mean I've been running it longer now without him than I was with him. Yeah I hope I'm doing and proud doubt you are. Yeah yeah thanks to my partners. Mike and Mary Morales. I mean I remember when I when I heard that Jerry ahead passed away I I assume do it close the place. What made you decide to continue? I mean was your. It's your life so I guess there wasn't really a question you never. You never thought. Do I continue with this or do I. I mean I think all the time. Do I continue with this but her because as as a restaurant establishment right but closing just seems to never an option like no okay just seems like giving up. I can't even imagine so for those who haven't been to north with work table and in tells what's so special about the place and why they should all go visit you asap. It's it's kind of magical. I have to say my partners Mike and Mary Meraz. who run the front of the House are the warmest kindest most welcoming people? You'll ever meet so you kind of feel like you're coming into hard living room dining room and our front of the House. Staff is incredibly engaging in kind and sweet and very Danny Danny Meyer reminiscent of gramercy tavern. Mary's from grammercy those do make them already. Danny's book a table. I mean we bought a case and gave it out for Christmas. No I'm not kidding. We give it to every new person that starts all right so they all got the book they're fabulous. Tell us about the menu. I mean I mean it sounds so trite now but fifteen years ago formed to table was. You're surrounded by farms. Exactly I mean we. It kind of started it out there and now there are more and more farmers for us to procure amazing things from and then of course all the wineries thirty percent of our wine list is local so much good local wine. Yeah so so much has happened since in the years when you were at gramercy tavern just sort of life happens right well. Life happens but you know you you you were just sort of creating what it meant to be a modern American pastry chef and then the internet happens. Social media happens all these things and this whole world has sprung up online around pastry and baked goods. And what it means to be a pastry chef these as and you in a way are really kind of the fairy godmother that a lot of people don't know that they have I mean. Have you watched this. I distance live from a distance enemy and I feel kind of left but not left behind but I I'm so behind because I don't my life isn't isn't about making dessert anymore. I'm running a business and to be like the thought of taking out a camera to take a picture of something. Something that I do is like I can't even imagine like you do it. You move on you do. There's so much to do in a day like every I live my life minute to minute and taking pictures of it really. I don't think so if I had an assistant. Maybe she would be doing it but I mean maybe it sounds obnoxious to say. But I'm too busy to do that. It seems like kind of a luxury right. You did grow up. You didn't grow up doing it. Not I mean all I still struggle to sort of incorporate it and we have to do it. I mean yes you have a business. It's not you can't can't separate your social media out from the other media. Do you ever just step back and look at this and be like. Oh my God look at these seeds that I planted that. Nancy planted planted that Alice planted. And what you know what has sprung up out of the ground from this. I don't actually know you should should take little short. I well thank you thank you but when it's your life tend to not bright. It's just it's your life. Yeah but one one of the Nice things. I know social media so controversial these days especially just like the raging dumpster fire. That is twitter but instagram is a different thing and this This pastry club this like pastry squad that check it out. That has sprung. Up is so supportive I mean. I think you would be so thrilled. And so proud of them. Because it's lovely and supportive and their friends and their competitive in the nicest way in terms of just sort of like the grade. English baking chef. Exactly exactly like I think their competition manifest itself in that each of them sort of inspires the other to to do better and to push more creative and I yeah I hope in the course of the last course being available again you get to meet a lot of these young men they really get to sort of. Discover you and you know what you gave the a community thank you. It's really kind of you. Thank you very much. That's it for today. Show thank you so much Claudia Fleming for stopping by Radio Cherry bomb. Her Classic Dessert Cookbook. The last course has finally been reissued and you need to go get a copy of you are in Miami. Come see us on Monday. November eighteenth at Chica Sheikha for our live podcast event. Tickets are thirty dollars and available at Cherry Bomb Dot Com. Thank you to on Bleu culinary schools and Emmy cheeses from Switzerland Roland for supporting our show. Today's episode was recorded at the wing. Soho thank you to the wing. 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58: Finding your S/O's Pet Name w/ Elizabeth Ho

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They're getting harder and harder to do. I like run out of things that I would do. The voice. You're listening to right now. That's not mine is that up. Elizabeth join me Pampero. Elizabeth fake us so much. Do you go by lisera Lisbeth? I go by Liz. But professionally I go by Elizabeth because I think it makes me sound more white and that is good because people love white people. Yeah. And then my last name is ho and they're like, I love Hooker. Let's bring her. I know you probably hear the worst jokes about your last name. Yeah. I do actually when I first came to LA. I had a manager. Terrible woman. Who is like, no one will wanna ho and Hollywood. Oh, not. I was like, oh, I guess you're right 'cause I'm young gullible. Uh-huh. And so I changed it to young. And then I finally grew pair, and I was like what the fuck am I doing with my life young? Let's boring. Name Elizabeth host fun. Yeah. It's a sassy lady. I think this is when I was trying to be like, I could be an owns. No, I could be serious actress. But you're you aren't actress. Well, like trees, I I know like a serious when you're like. Crying as they zoom in on my case. Oh boy. Oh, you're not single. I'm not I've been with the same dude for e very very long time. You remember how long fourteen years? That. So you completely missed online dating. I did congratulations to me. Because this Schick show, you have no idea. It is it's tough in those street. It's it's just so hard. Where did you guys meet we met doing community theatre? It was like dinner theater as favors for other people. Oh, we were set up by Iwa set by the musical director. He was set up by the director actor, and the director told me, you should meet, my friend, Iran. He looks like my husband. Her husband was not cute. I'm not going to name news like Ronald McDonald. And not like could get me free chicken mcnuggets for life. Like this just what he looked like. Oh, and I was like. A yellow overall suit? I wish he had when I first met him IRA. He was that's my husband's name. He was up on stage in cute tiny, flexible, jazz, shoes, little black sweatpants. And I was like I'm gonna get me some. No. I didn't think all I was like, but he was cute. And then it turned out. He was very very funny. So funny when you first meet someone that you end up liking, I feel it usually you're like now, I don't want it. I mean, no one's ever gonna hear this. Right. So like, yeah. That's what I thought. He's going to be like this is a revelation. I thought I was sexy on on site. I thought she wanted me. And that's a great impression of your husband. I've never it was like a thousand percent actually, you did need him you met when we filmed the pilot. He brought my dogs that and he's I think very handsome if I could because you know, podcasts are great visual medium. I am. I would show everyone the photo of him when we first met, and he looks like a different person. I feel like women change men to look better. 'cause you're like are you going to look like? What do you mean? I guess I'll look better. I know so many men who dated women for long periods of time. And they've just started to look better. Yeah. We you know, how like Facebook and time hop and shit brings stuff up wet. Who is? Oh my God. That's I r-. Era. And it wasn't like he was a baby or it was an actual like no he was in his twenties. I also just think people in general start to look better as they get older. Like look at old pictures of myself. And I was like what was I do. Girl. I had these I have bangs right now. But I had these really shortly Courtney. Cox scream bang are while I thought were just like, yes, I am my sexiest. No, not at all. No I used to wear blue contacts. And then we put little Lipin pieces of bright red hair in my hair. I looked insane. But I was like insult walk. And I'm doing it. And I own. You were peacocking. I was I guess I was. Suckering to four forget, I brought you a present. I realize I should have unwrapped it. But it wasn't gonna just sound delightful. What is an advent calendar? So we can either eat all of it all at once or you can do it guest by guest. Are you religious now? Okay. Me either. But like, I think there's a God. But like, I only pray when I want fixed, obviously that or if I'm endanger, you're like in a bad. Well, I only use left. So I'm in a bad left. And I'm like sweet Jesus, please. Let me survive this. I cannot I cannot die like this in this in the back of this tiny compact car, please don't let me giant Hyundai accent. I was in a car in New York yesterday and the driver kept answering his phone. I'm going I can't hanging up and I wanted to say, sir. Just stop answering. Like, I know you don't want to be on the phone and drive. But like you can't just pick up. Your phone scream. I can't keep hanging up. It's very. Alarming. That's very alarming. I wonder what if he wasn't just screaming can't talk. But like what if he can't do something? Oh, his life is like fixed the dried. No. It's just constantly calling him please, Honey fix his name was Tony. And he would such a strange man, he older young. He was an older, man. Little and he's right under the steering wheel. Oh, awkward. So he had really short legs. Yes. He was a very tiny, man. Yeah. I I would say like I've bad death perception, I think everyone's the same height as me but him I knew he was small. He can hey, I know you're smell. I know you're you're a teeny teeny tiny. But he was very nice when he dropped me off. He was like here. And I said, I don't know is that the nation. I don't know. Jive is going to. A sound stage never been too. So he was like here. I said, I don't know, sir. He goes it's here. Tony. So you later, oh, boy, I was just on a plane. I keep just being on planes. I feel crazy. Are you at least flying business or first? Yes, God bless which is great. I flew delta. I found peace shit and a blanket on delta one. I remember this very very clearly all my miles are there, and I don't like American, and I don't like United stuck United. So and then they have flatbeds from all New York to LA flights. I'm sorry what? Yup. So it's nice to be like, oh, I can sleep with get off the plane and go to work, right? So it's great today. I went to the airport early and my TSA pre check number wasn't there. So I was the ladies are going to have to help me. So I stood online line with this lady was like it's there. I don't know why it's not taking then she's like your birthdays rug than another lady came over. I think that was a Quila, and then Rosie came over and Rosie was like, well, it's. Papa. She was very funny. Very awake for five o'clock in the morning. Then Rosie was trying to fix Rosie's like girl got your birthday wrong. And I was like and then another lady came over. I wish I could remember her name, but she fixed the whole thing. And then we he Toma great joke, and then I left, and then I tweeted a delta to like give them a raise. And then they're like we're going to recognize them. And I was like how and they're like we're not at liberty to say, and I was like, but I need receipts. I need to know that these three ladies got something for being so wonderful. And I don't know if I'm ever going to know why feel like you'll be back in an airport soon. Yeah. I guess if I leave four or seven AM again, I can run into them like my friends. All the one here tickets to my special. I also was very close night. And I was taking a lift back to the hotel. And I was like, oh, no, sir. I have to use the restroom can you pull over? And he was like I'll take you to a bar. So you don't have to p mystery, and I'll call you were like, you know, what to do before so classy. So then I went to this weird bar that was like very dark just filled to the brim with white people. And I was like I don't like it here feel unsafe and as just go to the bathrooms I went to the bathroom. And then there's this huge line of women waiting and there was only one bathroom. So then I like went to the front of the line. And I was like oh pay you pay you to let me pay please. So I paid three women twenty dollars each. And then the fourth woman was like in the money. And I was like no sorry. It just the three of them. Then Wiki Keenan had a great time waiting for the other ladies guy, the bathroom, and then I disappeared into the distance like a little bathroom Perry. I'm really impressed that you just have so much cash on you at all times. I just got my nails done. I took out a little extra. I have no cash on. Okay. So if you're waiting in line, and you see Nicole buyer come up, you better you better get your moa out. I get my on like what's your name? I'll give you twenty dollars. I feel insane. So do you so fourteen years super longtime? How long did you date before you got married? This is funny. Ten nine ten something like that ten years. Yeah. It got to a point where like me being the young twenty year old would be like, I can't wait to get married because all my white friends are getting married and like I went to a super buji highschool. So all those beautiful women got married all at once. And like had kids all at once and got divorced all at one. And I was like here. I am still Dayton IRA. And then it came to a point where I was like, maybe we'll never get married. Maybe we'll just be like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie serandon, Tim Robbins. And then soon Tim Robbins broke up, and I was like sure. And now she's dating like a ten year old, right? He's very young employees ping pong. Yes. She still does she still is that club still around New York? I have no idea. It's a club. We played ping pong. The next time you are in New York. Must check it out. Go to Susan sarandon's ping pong club. You must. It's it's reconnaissance. We have to for the sake of science. Yes. Yes. I'll go you then at your ten year ten. Think it was year nine it was our interview Serie, we're quite competitive. So in terms of anniversary gifts, just we're just competitive. And so I was like I got him the best fucking gift. His sports team is the Oakland A's. I got him as a very special t shirt he had seen in the bleachers. And it was like, I am an internet genius. I have found this. And I bought it for you and morning anniversary rolls out. I'm like happy anniversary. Here's your t-shirt. And he's like, I'm taking you to your favorite super chichi resort out in Santa Barbara. And instead of meeting like oh my God. I'm gonna get proposed to I just got really pissed because I was like fucking one. You fucking decker. Like how like are? They going to blow you all day to like one up you on this his birthday was a next week. So I was like I'm going to read that Amazon wishlist the whole day. No idea. He just kept on dropping fantastic beautiful surprises and just getting more and more. He like fuck shit. Now, I can't pay for dinner because he already paid for it. Or what the fuck are. We gonna do now. And that it was they had turned down service, and he was in the bathroom. And I was like yes, turn it down. I want all the turn down. I want chocolate. I want pillows everywhere and he had hidden the ring under some pillows in the bed. I saw the box. But I was so it was so far for my conscious mind that he was gonna propose was like boo hotel, these tiny boxes to prop pillows. The guy turning down service was like. And my husband seemed to me has been with shitting himself literally in the bathroom. He's realizing that I probably saw the rain, but. Did you open the ring or he still fully propose he fully propose? I still had no idea. I was like a tiny box. That's what they must do here. That's really Doral all day. You just had no idea. The stupidest is what? Let's three. I mean, I think it's like it's a long nine years is a long time. And I don't know if I would realize it, but also I am legit sometime. But also, I can't even fathom anyone proposing today, it would just be so out of the Roma possibility that's what I thought to bring you. But for me, I was like it's never going to happen at this point. I truly congratulations on getting married. It was a news story that this man proposed this woman in New York over like a subway. Great. And then dropped the ring now. And then the police like got it back for him. And I was like how Hal there's so much crime who cares about this couple? Fuck them. He's dumb. Is it? Terrible. Ask was he a white, man. Probably. I don't remember. There was like grainy video footage of it. And I watched a little bit. And I was like I don't care about this. I hate this. I wish you take in like macgyver at like he had chewed gum gotten a rat like gum on the rat. Like a rope around the rat. And then got the ring that way, I wish that happened as well. Because that would be not the wildest thing happening in times where of course, not that's actually more in the realm of possibility than the police, actually, helping right? Get out of agree. How do they see this video? Are we always being videotaped? What is this? What is this minority report is at the Truman show? Are we all trauma? The Truman show is of very good movie. And I thoroughly enjoyed is it weird that I'm like, Ooh, I could do the chairman show because then I'd be working someone hire me. Hire me. You were constantly working though. I see you jet-setting everywhere. Yeah. Doing stand up. That's fun. I wanna to Trump I'm an actor. I would like to act a little bit and pilot season's just around the river bend where we all feel good about ourselves in full confidence much goodness. This for all of us in the industry highlight seasons. You just kind of parades around. You're like me, I can lead this show. Please let me it's that. And it's also like police hire me, please hire me at least hire me. And now, it's this whole weird thing like offers to where people are like so and so got an offer. And you're like, I'll take anything you offer it to me. I'll do it plea for two zero PA all do it for a nice hug as someone little hug. I listen to your episode with just a noble, and he where he talked about the whole process of testing. It's. If you didn't listen to that up Assode. So when a pilot happens pilots, I episode of a television show. Sometimes it goes sometimes it doesn't before it goes they invite random people off the street to watch it. And then they have a button when they like something they press it, and they don't like something they present another button. And then they like ask them questions about the whole process is very very strange. What's also super antiquated Ray? I think so because that's like I feel like juries are also antiquated because it's like what eight people get together. And then everyone's like, I have my opinion. And then someone starts talking. You're like well that sounds right. Like, we're all just lemmings. We just oh, yes. The loudest room. Yes. And it's also I'm the kind of person I could totally be the loudest in the room. But if someone's louder than me, sometimes I'm just like I'll just shut up because you are so annoying. I'll just agree to get out of. Yes, I do that sometimes and sometimes with annoying, then I'll fuck them. So they shut up. Ooh, tricky, which is just not good because then you're just rewarding bad behavior. Xactly as you're sitting on his face. Yes. Like shut up Yosef shut up eat this pussy, and then I'm going to leave never fucking. So you again, unless you call me text me, then I'll come runnin because guess what home girls desperate for love before. Era reu- in lots of relationship. Yes. I did play the field. Are you like a serial monogamist or were, you know, around balanced around a lot? I mean, I met iron college. So it was a lot of just college dating. But to completely fair like everyone was, but this was also before really absent phones and stuff. So he probably could have gone a lot more. I mean the app game. I will say as awful as it is it does allow you to just have like a, but like, I don't know thousands of people at your little finger tips. It's kind of crazy. But also this whole idea like just texting people like what's up? Yeah. That would giant mining Zayed's is already just ratcheted right now, I wouldn't be able to do it. I mean, I try very hard to not text too much before meeting. Somebody. Because there's nothing worse in texting somebody. And then me like, wow. Oh my God. Like, I think we're gelling. I think this is going to be good. And then you meet them in person. And they're not as witty as they are in texting because you can think about it. And yes, yes, it's a trap. I had a friend who texted a lot with someone. They message just so much. And then afterwards she was like I'm so excited. I think this is the one they met, and he was quiet like zero. And so she was like what happened? Should we text at the table? I do magic. We gotta take a break. What a glorious break well rested. In relieve. It was just like, oh, we were just talking up a storm. We just had to rest our job MLS. I am multiple rows to rest many jowls. I went on a date with dude who was like, so quiet, and it was painful, it was did you just keep on asking him questions? Or was it just you dominated you ended up just dominated. Well, I asked him questions because the internet says men like to talk about themselves all the internet. I read it on the internet. Have you ever heard of the Nestle? Okay. Where? I can't explain the internet. I don't understand it. It's just there who what is it? It's not a tangible thing you can't go to the internet store and pick up some internet. I wanna. It's called the internet and have. Let's get boxes empty boxes. This is the internet. How you go boo. But like, we're where is the internet? You're gonna get so many amazing common. This hope so okay. If you know where the internet, please, Email me at begging can save G dot com or just like slide into dam and let me know where the internet is. I would really like a hand drawn map like. Like, we're in goonies weight. And I just saw goonies understand the reference. I'll congratulations you. I had never seen. It people kept saying that I went thoroughly enjoy it. And guess what? I did. I was scared for a second. You were gonna say, no. And then I was gonna it's a real fun movie. I feel like we don't make fun adventure movies like this anymore. Just like. Like things like movies from the eighties and nineties or just perfect, and they don't make them anymore. I just watched die hard because it is right now it is a Christmas season. And I was like this is the most perfect Christmas movie. I've never seen diehard. It's very simple. A man fighting against bad guys. The end the end anywheres a white tank top from most of it. Correct. Any doesn't wear shoes? Hey, whoa. Watch out whenever okay. I wonder if that was Bruce Willis choice or producers to like who chooses for the actor to be uncomfortable for the entirety of a film. So well done in the in the actual movie. I think it was written in hand imagine. I just want. Actually, I want to imagine that Bruce was like, I'm so method. I think that he would take his shoes. That's he lose his shoes right here. And then and then poor script e would have to be like now that attract your book and bleeding. That. Yeah, that's wild. Have you ever seen hocus pocus? Yes. So when Binks the Cam. Human. He's chasing his sister to the witches house, and you like slides down in the woods. He's also not wearing shoes. And I was like you're in the forest. Don't your feet hurt. Can you take a why would you let him do that? That's the director. I've seen hocus pocus too many times has Kenny Ortega been on here. No. Wouldn't that be? Amazing. You could answer so many different questions. I yes, it would be so good to be like Kenny you made a masterpiece called hocus pocus that didn't get who the credit and do it was desert until now until how do you feel like conic? It's a perfect movie surgical Parker is so funny in it. Everyone's delightful in it caffeine, a Jimmy you got your pet midler. And then you got Thor Birch thing yobbo cz. And it made me laugh so hard, and then you got max. And then I don't remember the girl's name, the blonde. Let's just leave a lodge for this Bill. Nobody's name is. Jesse Bellona move. No, no, her name's jesu- about now. Judge Ville maxim Thorpe burgeon thinks the cat done. What's your favorite movie? Wow. That pivoted real. Off the top of my head. I'll say when Harry met Sally. I also just watched that. It's really good. It's just so well written as you still well written well-written may Lee love when the dialogue feels like it's not trial. Yeah. I mean, Billy crystal. Of course, the way he looked back then could have gotten a really hot. Meg ryan. No, not at all. But he's a delightful little infants so, yeah, I turn that on whenever I need a good like this is warming cozy but other than that I like really bad blockbusters. Worse. Like, San Andreas has a great example that was a bad movie that I loved. Yeah. As the last one I saw I mean, apparently, I just love the rock 'cause I'm just gonna go for it rampage when the giant gorilla that gets turned giant. That's a wild movie, the rocket a giant gorilla, and you have the rock and a giant building. Earthquake. It's crazy. But his co stars are now not even people know, it's wild. I can't wait for it's like the rock against an actual rock pitch. It. It's actually you know what? It'd probably already being made I'm gonna pitch and be like, the Rocco's hiking. Okay. And then be goal boulder comes crashing down. And he's gotta run and save the city of Los Angeles from this big rock, I'm gonna workshop at a little harder before. So I I think you're at the you're at it. Okay. You know, it's past pitching season right now. Pilots seasons year round. Right. I guess. So if all these jury Ming services, here's a question. Do you have any pet names for your husband? This is annoying. Yeah. Read an article that said that people in relationships who have pet names for each other last longer than people who don't have pet names for their significant others. And I'll read you some of the pet names they cited, but when is your pet name for your husband? I used to work at Starbucks, and I had a very racist co worker who decided to call me panda JoJo at the time, it was hilarious. And so I was like I'm going to call everyone panda, including iris. Oh, because I thought it was funny to call white man panda. So I started calling him PANA. And then he thought it was funny that in Asia was calling him panta. So he called me panda back own the racism as a white, man. And so now we call each other panda. I mean, it's cute. The origins is not. But then we kinda just ran with really both terrible. Humans. I like that's so sweep panda. Yes. It goes by panda PB bear shit like. That means we're gonna last alerting to this independent dot co dot UK article do the internet's real the internet is real where is it? So here they said, sweetie. Muffin and baby are the top ones. I can't imagine calling someone Muffin. Right. Come your Muffin. And then they said here other popular ones Cutie Princess in. Honey, I can't imagine anyone calling me Princess other than like my dad. I feel. Yeah. That's weird. What are what are the is there like daddy will the there's problematic ones like sweet cheeks? Poppy and daddy in there. The least common I also can imagine calling my partner. Daddy. I mean, that's some deep therapy work. Right. Daddy, come here. Let's like when like what's his name? What is the elfish looking man with white hair? Who's the vice president was his name, hence? Yes. He he calls his wife mother. Oh, yeah. I remember that just so gross. Like, I understand when you have kids. You're like mom told you to do this. Or like, I love you too mom, but later said to go to bed. So a study that was published in nineteen ninety three examined the use of quirky idioms in married couples and found out, but sweet Pete and pussycat are nicknames that made people happy who who would ever call anyone pussycat. I wanna where these where with era where they where they like. Well, it was in nineteen Ninety-three. But I'm like, did you interview ninety seven year old people they'll say like every time to travel to like the early nineteen hundreds where we're like hip pussycats. Yeah. Push a cat daddy's hungry. I mean, I probably would love it and laugh very very hard. But the laughter is great. But I think people just say it just sounds like they're saying it very very serious out of love. I let's see what I don't know. What nickname? I would want. I guess babe. Not baby about bay bay base to trendy. I feel I feel like it's so not trendy anymore that it'd be trying. Not Muffin muffins weird. It just makes me for some reason thinking Muffin top, which is fine. I love the top of Muffin and my Mahdi. It's what I have. Let's see. I like pigs. No, you can't. Come here. Piggies? Why did you like Jack Nicholson Woody? I don't know just working on some impressions religious workshop in here. Look SNL ready. She. I can't believe I just went pig them. They're cute. But I guess pigs are yeah. I don't think I'd want to be called piggy. Let's see I guess not sweeties. We descends weird. They all sound like names. I call my dogs, right? Which by the way, that means I'm going to have a great relationship with my dog here for it. But yet sleety it's the I e it's the e at the end that makes it feel childish, maybe pumpkin. Again, it feels like I'm talking to my dog right come here, pumpkin. Although I do all my dog things. Like, hey, dick hole. I call my dog dum dum dum. Sometimes maybe I want wanna be called dumb dumb. I mean, that's kind of cute come on. Let's leave. I mean, I call people dumb dumb when I love them or not love them. But like feel close to the. Yeah. And it's interesting because sometimes people be like what I'm like, oh, I truly mean that as a term of like affection. I let it also knew backpedal instead of just leaning even harder. And you heard me eighty dollars. You dumped him for reason. Because you're more than dumb, your double dum, dum dum dum. You don't even have a be at the end. Dumb dumb. Yeah. I think I want to be called dummy. Demi. And that's what it is. You dumb little big. That's what I wanna to be called. So if there any men out there, you know, who are listening who wanna date me. Please lied into my DMZ. Call me a dumb little pig. Let's get it embroidered jacket really going. So this guy slid into my GM Milan. And he's like kind of cute. So he messaged me and said, I honestly couldn't figure out how to leave a review on I tunes. So I'm sliding right up into your DM's. Nicole? You're goddess I'm gonna put a vibrator inside you with your consent, which is great cue that is powered by an electric ukulele vibrating at every strum, I'll play you Israel, come Kwan knows version of somewhere over the rainbow. What a wonderful world until you're feeling over the rainbow. But I I must learn how to play the ukulele also wanna grab drinks. So I said this is very funny. He said, thanks, and I said are you serious about getting drinks? What is your intention, and he said, totally. I'd love to take you out for drinks. And get to know you need to be straightforward though. I'm in a relationship opening long distance when I'm looking for fun or friends right now completely understand if that's weird. And I was like, I hope you see how she needs to hit on me and ask you to drink say you're in a relationship, and he's like sorry. I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I mean, he's like I want to show you that. I'm not an asshole come to this Christmas party at our place. It's not your average Christmas party. There's a buffet. Say no more, sir. This little. Let me bring my Tupperware. I'm here. I if it was like, okay. So you're in open relationship, and you're looking for friends or fun. That's such a weird open ended thing I feel like at that point Ivy league. I wanna talk to your partner, right leg. Just make sure is this person. Okay with person. No, you're young. Open reopen ship. Sometimes they don't know surprise where people and then you have bigger. But then it was just like you invited me to a buffet. When you read that. I also thought is it an orgy yet in like not your average Christmas party. We're all going to put on a strap on and fuck tail Santa. But we also have these chafing dishes with thing like many keys, I'm in. I don't know. I'm so confused to just men in general in why they think they can just say, I don't if you okay. I think you open with I'm in a open relationship. I find you attractive. Would you like to go out on a date? Then I'd be like, oh, okay. Now, I understand what you're asking that. He should have said that before the vibrator ukulele lime or EFI end. Like when he was like, I when he said, I wanna take about for drinks. Okay. Guy actually really would like to take you out for drinks. And then just tell me your deal Ray. So then I don't have to like Harriet the spy around figured out. I felt like I felt like you had to crawl through a beautiful Hage in. Through. Truffle? Tripled to be like, what is it is this delicious or not very confusing? And then I got a message from this woman who's. I am in this open relationship. Okay. So she said hi being weirdo. Sliding DMZ. I don't know how this is gonna come across which already means it's going to be bad. I'm very excited for right? But I'm genuinely trying to be helpful whistling to your latest up a podcast where you're wondering why it's so hard to find love. I was analyzing it because I'm weirdly good at making people love me. And I. Wow. Right. Like ooh flag. And I think that I know how to make people feel good all the time like I have social anxiety, and I'm super sensitive. So I'm very aware of how come across and make people feel so I'm good at always being nice and pleasant to be around. It also means that I try to when people's affection and I question if they really like me or that. I do nice thing is so much to pass. Oh much. Anyway, you mentioned that you argue with people a lot like people in stores. I love I love in my car. I love a fight with the airport. Love fights with strangers. She's just a fighter. I love it or just Christina Aguilera. I'm strong. Nope. And then it continues, and my theory is that maybe you make people feel anxious slash unsafe. Which is why get scared off. Anyways. I'm a huge fan of you and your comedy love you. I'm gonna call her Deborah, Deborah your rate. She purchase every argument with a knife. That's why people very unsafe it's life. It's like Michetti. I can't believe she said, I make people feel unsafe. I never felt unsafe near you. I thoroughly appre even a couple of different social settings to you at work at parties at people's houses. And now here at this lovely studios. Thank you for coming to this place. I was gonna say the location, but I won't good for you. Thank you. I was in Iowa doing a show, and I told the students exactly what room. I was. What specifically because I was staying in college themed hotel, weird wait, a call it. What does that look like? So it looked like a college except there is like a concierge desk. There was books everywhere. The elevator was painted to look like a chalkboard is everything broken and Slater. No, it was a brand new hotel. So it was like a new college just got like a grant from somebody someone died and money got it. So it was a college themed hotel room. I was staying in room nine eleven. In the middle of fucking Iowa. And then I got out of the shower and someone had written guilty in the steam, and the cleaning people, I guess didn't wanna raise because they're like this is funny and I screamed so I'm gonna die in Iowa. Are we share it with someone or was it a ghost? Maybe it was a ghost because that's in the movie ghost. I'm just saying. That's how goes communicate again, a great movie from the eighties early nineties that was ninety two here. We are. I love ghost Whoopi Goldberg is a revelation in it. She's perfect in every way every scene. She's in. She steals it truly just perfect and apparently Patrick Swayze fought for her to be in it. I don't know if that's true. But I feel like I heard that. I part of me doesn't want it to be true because I don't want the white man to get laid. I am. So angry today about white people anyways with one so I. So I live with one two. And sometimes I'm just like, John, you get everything you want. He truly does. He's got a great boyfriend who's real sweet. Cam truly who's the worst person you've ever dated. Could be a long list or this one too. Two older was a music producer K A since we'd many moon since we dated he's recently acquired a British dialect. Yes. Tiny tiny man, come and very very controlling. No. Yeah. He was obviously good name names. Use a very weird little man that I don't know why I dated. I guess he this is what happened. I was super-poor and he would take me out to eat. Nice leases and IV like I feel like a human being again should do this more. That was stupid and young of me. But here we are. I mean, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I just remember him telling me to work out like you should go and work out. And then he would go to because he lived in a fancy hotel go and watch me workout. No and me being dumb. And in. Oh, okay. I guess that's fine. Oh my God. That's awful. I don't know. Why people feel like they need to say anything about people's bodies. It's not yours. Yeah. Go away. I slept at this dude who I met on. Okay. Cuba. This is years and years ago. And I think he lived in a model apartment, you know, like, none of the richer seemed real. Like model apartments. It's like oh this chair weighs a pound rate. So he was a real estate Jess had the keys for the showroom. Yes. And there was a like a dry race board in his living room. So I look at dick on it staying on brand and solid work. And he arrays him and said, we don't do that here. And I okay. So then he's like let me fuck you on the floor. And I was like if that's what you want. So then we had sex on the floor, and then he goes to the bathroom for like, forty five minutes. And then I was like posing on the bed. I mean, he'll come back, and we'll keep going did you fall asleep because no. Oh, I was waiting. I didn't come yet. He didn't do bullshit. He was on for forty five for. So maybe not a full forty five. But it was so it was long enough that I was posing out of my mind posing for a man to come back, and then he came back fully clothed, and it was good. And I was like, oh, I am not that I guess 'cause I younger, and I didn't know what to do. And then he was like all right long was really great to meet, you know, was like, okay. So then he's walking into the door. And right before you close the door. He's like I work in fitness. But that doesn't mean I don't like your body, and then he closed the door. And I was like. Oh, oh, he got less word on that one pissed me off. So I almost knocked on his door to be like fuck you. A one thing. I think I listen thing. It was a. It was a. But instead I stopped to my car like in every sense of the word was just stomping. And I just the weirdest shit happens to men are so insane. It's just that is just crazy to even think. That's how he was like. Okay. Well, I'll go sounds like he was personally grooming for like forty. Get chance. I shouldn't really judge does take me a long time. Yeah. But he just came out in like a t shirt and basketball shorts. Like, you weren't. Oh, I see in my mind. He three piece. Chain watch on it. And like no he was getting ready for bedtime. Maybe he was moisturizing his face, his, dick moisturizing. Another four to just get it soft and smooth for the next fatty. I'm going to fuck and talk about her body to see that kind of thing makes me so angry that I want like my body reacts where it's like I think I need to just shit right here on the stores. I should've I should've shut right on his Matt just right on the doormat. It's just a great way to end any conversation that you can't get less worded. I should so hard on the plane today. My word myself. I was like oh. Oh. But also ate a hamburger at three AM. That's where it was going downhill. I'm living a life. Maybe I don't know. I think it was a very good burger where was it? Where'd you get a Gramercy park hotel? That's a really good burger the Gramercy park hotels, my favorite hotel. And there's doorman there named Carlos. And last time I stayed Carlos. And I got along great. We follow each other at Instagram and then two nights ago, I was outside smoking a cigarette. And I was like kind of drunk and Carlos he can't sing me like this. Because I was wearing slippers. I couldn't I like the it was a slippers that made, you know. So I ran away from Carlos didn't get to see him this time, but I'm back in New York next week. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have to make some time for. Carlos Carlos is great. He's he's holding it down. He really is. Because you get a key to Gramercy park. When you stay there like going this various collusive park, and you get to like look at all the people who come in. And it's great. You go into that parking me like, hey, hey, you wanna come in? You can't I should somebody go. I'm going to do that bring like a pack of skittles. You can launch shit at people. Hello. I have scheduled wanna come in. You. Can't you stupid babies Bess? I hate children. You don't kids. Do you know bad? I don't like them. I don't want them coming your body. In my body around. Okay. Elizabeth? Yes. Do you have anything you want to plug just my social media because that's how popular I am. What is it? Tell the listeners Hatem real Elizabeth ho h oh, that's right. Not that fake bitch fake, Elizabeth ho but real Elizabeth ho-. Honestly, that'd be so funny. If someone's Instagram handle was fake Elizabeth I just feel like I should take it now. Take it. Okay. That's a major one question if you weren't married. Oh. The. Okay. Well, if you like this episode police subscribe on I tunes, and if you leave me a nasty little message. I will read it. Ooh. What's this episodes? Little nasty message as well. It's not a nasty nasty message. This is a woman who came to my show. She said, you are the treat. You are the dream. Thank you for a good show. And for time I Fiat say to eat my pussy because that's something. I do. Okay. Here's a fun one. This podcast is banging. And so is that Budi. Okay. I hit on your little, and I'm pretty sure this is my friend, Emily. My friend, Emily who lives in Portland. Emily. If that was you to me. Here's another one to call. I would be such a good way for you. I'm a massage therapist and a fabulous cook and have a super adorable half Asian baby we can put her and the dogs in matching outfits for Christmas cards. I guess it's not even nasty. Wait. Can you say that went in and nasty voice? Okay. Again, you can do the next one in a nasty way. Nicole would be a good way for you. I'm st- and fabulous. Kook? I already habits super durable. Hob Asian maybe but hermit dogs and outfits for Christmas. I just got pregnant. Thank you. All right. Elizabeth? Thank you so much bye. The hit them podcast.

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RHONY: Jazzercries

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RHONY: Jazzercries

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Like a housewife k yeah. Ronnie redid his entire apartment. He blew out the walls installed. A lovely Nancy Meyer. His living room. I mean, I can't believe you did that all on today's. Hey, listen, this green screen looks like shit, but it's better than cleaning my house. So that's what we're getting today. I think great idea. Everybody. Are you ready for these plex live show this? Okay. This month July next month. We're going to Cleveland and Baltimore, we still got tickets for this. Go get them also guess what went on sale today, everybody to the public sch- Guoco Richmond, for Lauderdale. Whoa. And also carbo, okay. Yeah, also car pro which is kind of Charlotte for the car, bro. It's not Charlotte. It's more like the Research Triangle in North Carolina. It's like Raleigh Durham Chapel Hill that area because we are going to Charlotte, which is totally separate show. Well, yeah, we've got a ton of shows. So here's your list, so September is Charlotte in Nashville. So get your tickets tickets are up for those then in October. We've got car, bro enrichment. And then November, we've got Fort Lauderdale, Indianapolis tocacco and Chicago because we're doing two shows their Sukagaw is selling like mad. So go get your tickets for that. We sold a ton in pre sales. Go get those then, by the way, the first the First Chicago shows already down to like about fifty tickets left gap, so those are selling a lot. So go get those. And then in New York, we're doing two shows in November. We've got one that sold out. But we've got a nine pm so at Gramercy theatre that's a low ticket alerts. Almost sold out. Get tickets for that. And then into Semper, we've got Saint Louis Philadelphia Philadelphia again. Because we added a second show go get tickets for the second show. And then in December also, we have Seattle, I mean, there are so many ships go come to the says we don't wanna be alone at the show. Yeah they're awesome. And they're all selling really well, so thank you guys so much for coming to those. And of course, don't forget, we also have a new discord channel, which is already growing so nicely in its first week, all sorts of people in they're talking about Bravo, and big brother and recipes. And I've been venting through my car shopping process, and there. So that's really fun. Yeah. So everybody come on. Join us you can still get your shirts to window and team L VP and Montigny medicine. Those are over at crap, Smerch dot com. Bonus episode this week was project runway. The upcoming week is going to be a big brother cast rundown. So gosh, there's just so much going. I'll come over to watch crap in stock com to figure out your place in this universe. All right. Okay. So let's get on because real housewives of New York City still firing on all cylinders. It is firing on like more cylinders than it even has, like if it's a V six it is firing on of the twelve right now. And I'm saying this because I'm shopping for cars, so I'm guessing compare everything in car terminology. Like if this is like, if we're looking at the house on this is the top trim. Everyone will let's open the glove box. Well, you know what before we even get into the recap? I woke up this morning and people had tweeted at us that there has been, there's a New York. Sorry, I got startled Dominy whose birthday it is today, by the way. World watch crap owners happy. Happy birthday them. Anyway, so I woke up this morning, and there's a deleted scene from real housewives of New York. I think it's from like a deleted scene from last week or whatever it is. So funny, as like it's amazing that this show has these gems that can't even make it into the show when Beverly Hills is like Carl Richards speed walking around her backyard. So we're actually going to play the scene because I think it's going to translate audio audio is so you ready. Yeah. Okay. The, the setup is Ramona singer attacks. Tinsley mortimer's makeup. Here we go. Tim, please sitting on a chair. Trying to call her mom. And here comes Barbara Barbara screaming. Slunk. I'm like half naked. Don't buy what's up? Voda out of nowhere. No, nothing. I came into the bathroom. Sodas getting. Not really. That. Old for you're able. I do not. Yeah. You your. For my age. Family. Keep a totally wasteful. To get near me with that joining me get you. Hill, you make. Right now. You too. Side to really with an empowerment. Don't know what she's means everyone like a punch Sonia. Hell partial Ramona's now. Ser last having. Like clip shakes. What do you call like? Her lashes, heavy. Yes, sir. Okay. Whatever you are shocking still overs, giving tips. You just need to underneath. There is just a little bit. Marriage drink drink. I do x. Sexy. Sexy name. This is screaming. I was trying to make a who- screaming. She says she has league. That's it. Just torturing Tinsley Ramona is a fucking monster from hell and I love her. I mean, how amazing is that? Like you look old age. I look young. For more. You've also had a lot more nips and tucks Ramona. Okay. Let's stop pretending that Ramona's just naturally young. I love the everybody's like, oh my God. Ramona the fucking amazing. Yeah. We'd all looking amazing for age if we had as many scissors around she did not bear. She does a great for her age, though. She does like right for her age. And she actually always has great for her age. But the I mean, the fact that they just I mean, they just kick and kick and kick Tinsley while it is. That's never Tinsley. It's like taking Bala way from child. You know, I know Seaton's get tortured yet Tinsley you know what it is. It's almost like for years and years. They've been trying to figure out who is that last cast member. And basically, this is like we've come back around the Alex McCord type, there's that underdog who just doesn't like she fits in, but at the same time as the full on punching bag, and that's what Tinsley she's the second coming of Alex McCoy. Ord-. Oh no way. Alex sittin nerd, how can you say that about portends Li? I mean, I guess, in the punching bag sense bags that's in the punching bag metric, I think she's like Paris Hilton in that movie house of wax, because people are like let's hire Paris Hilton, to be in this movie house, vox and everybody's gonna come, but nobody wants to go. See house of wax Nazi. Perez Hilton get tortured melted. You know. Yeah. I need to be on the show, and then just be tortured all the time. Well, she certainly gets at this episode. That's for sure. Kantle possibly, I would love it Lee. Candle. Just as. Then when it finally gets the bottom. Yeah. The very end is too little exit just poof away. It just says the arts. That was a reference to fame in the two thousands. So let's go onto this recap oak. Yeah. So it opens up into Saint place where it left off. I don't know what's happening. I don't know what happened again. I can't I can't look at. Crying. I can't believe they still didn't cut to that shot of that creepy, like mannequin that eating its own arm off in front of his house. So, yeah, we're still on the cabaret fight we're Beth, and he's having her nervous breakdown, and listen. Listen comb down, please. I like Llewellyn telling please, please can you just come down to our got have many hecklers at my cub. It's bad enough. I can't drink now. I can't enjoy my appetizers. Some, please pass me the giant toaster full of pop tarts. Thank you. I got home. I'm going. I'm going on. I gotta go home. I gotta go home. And then and I don't know if you notice this, but everyone got up to console Bethany including Lou and everyone was standing around except for Omonia who's just sitting out of seat. Like, well, I'm not swearing every trip. I just pretended to cry on crying. Why anybody hugging me? Kwan reminded. I cried like ten times in the scene. It's like okay we're about you get points there on your report card. You showed some of ocean guy, so. So why? No. All there is. No about the Cloyne game. Okay. My god. Don't lift up dress swollen. Once I k. Boil it lift the dress. You're gonna find something. That's very shocking. These ninety ninety two okay? You wanna play the crying game fry Tinsley put on a makeup so sad. Saddest thing I ever saw him. I wanna play the coin game to say to Tinsley, how's your baby? Lou tried to hugger and Beth things like, yeah, that's me. I think it's fun. I don't know what to say. So, well, sing it birds in the sky, you know, you fish running by you know, you know what I just came up with that lyric fish running by, don't even run, but Rick. Yeah. Sort of evolution fish running by. Just imagine little feet running to get away from the land running away. Lucien. Bethany runs out with Barbara. She's like. It's like a little am. It's like a Bethany ambulance, like. When you go to Europe and the ambulances ring differently. Like. On paper, whenever they do. It's like the Bethany thing, it's like in Miami. Like that's the that's the ambulance sound like just Bethany. I know it's like it's a it's a cross between that and trying to figure out which turkeys gonna get saved at the White House every year. So Ramona's like, oh my God. I was. Yeah. Stony cry. I cried cliff moment a moment in Tim's sorry. Girls. Let's just have a flashback montage of how it was. Clio K hit boys birds in the sky. Running by the few. Ramona's like yeah. Few by the way, I have to say Beth knees out crying Ramona saying that she was crying. Everybody's like going crazy, still here, the Bethany siren outside, and then it cuts to Sonia, who's just scarfing down food. I noticed that like, well, I mean I still am hungry. I didn't eat much last night when I felt my face. The way it's like, well, she, obviously has a lot of pent-up anger. Yeah. Obviously it has nothing to do with me that up for a while. And Ramona's like I feel Beth niece paint K, because she had a moment which she realized if she didn't give Dennis that much attention. He wouldn't be debt now stupid, and Ramona, she just said that, you know, remote is acting like she just came up with this thing, I'm like Bethany. Literally just said that. But good job detective Ramon. I, I didn't even hear Bethany say that. I just heard Bethany say you didn't ask me how Dennis was asthmatic. Dennis was yeah. She she said it so ironic. I'm on taking care of my boyfriend. He started. I'm having an intervention for you. When my boyfriend's dying of an overdose. Right. Right. Yeah. I, I think that was more of Ramona's aha moment, although she has like a ha moments. Everything this door pushes and pulls. That's an awful moment. Just realized ketchup cats now, okay, just realize write a hook. I just had an off moment. I'm like, ageless. So I sort of look, my daughter slash Beth friend Avery. Okay. So, yeah. Like whatever will, I guess, use them said about something and Ramona's, like this Lou own habits conversation, 'cause we love you doesn't tell the goal for age also like us, k we feel like you don't like you know, it's like, what are you talking about? Yeah. And then, of course I you know, you know, me I can't help but compare this to Beverly Hills, isn't it funny the same week? It's almost the same argument, you know, like we feel like you don't like hanging out with us. But when it comes from, from New York comes off, almost like a passive aggressive snivelling, little girl, like you don't like us, whereas years, just like, you know, like, oh, we are just going to go in for the kill, and then afterwards, put a little bow on and say, no, we actually love you. We just don't like us. It's so weird. How like the same kind of thing can be so insufferable on one show, and so hilarious on another one also remote is just full of shit, Noah, saving grads. We went doesn't like us, you know, this might not real at all. I guess they both have that in common to you. Because the other fight wasn't really about that either. Yeah. You're acting like an asshole no-one will just say, you're just acting like an asshole, stop Erica. You're in a shitty mood all the fucking time. And it makes it miserable to be around you because you're. Affects the people around you k. And. You know what I love you? I'm not even gonna tell off LAN in Ramona's voice K. Wow. Wow. I don't care what she has musical numbers k rubber clearly was probably a monster too. But guess what he had piano in a microphone. And some lovely firs. Bethany? I'm Barbara outside and bad things. I got you win. Bethany tell somebody off and then later on. I totally blocked out, I had no idea what I'm saying. Like it's called him. They five body. The did. I call me did I call today something? Now, you just said she was intolerable, which she is. Yes, she is. She has. That's true. That's true. And during this like bet he just said, what we were all thinking, we can keep the ring the snake. I don't even think clear tonight. Right. So on ios Sonia, basically back at the table, she's like Louis you checked out today in the wearing of I went to the beach for a swim for God's, but we were be. You went out with your sister, and her friends. Okay. Let me get. This is off the charts. Ramona goes on a date. Jhansi goes out with their friends go swimming. I'm crucified like Jesus grow. I'm sorry, if my bathing suit is just a technicolor Dreamcoat of motion right now. S. She gets up and see walks off. Well, well, it's also great as Luan when they're like, trying to the bus luanne. She full on a Doppler her you, stole my hair face. So she sort of has that, like, bring a sister look on her face. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, I went for swimming you at your sister for Cocco big thing, where she's like, don't come at me. Bitch. Sick of the hedge sake of the back hair. Yeah. Go I gotta go and during his care. Both sick was she doesn't want to talk to me. So what am I supposed to do? I can't talk to her again. Have I can't get through some artichoke dip without someone accusing me of something's just gonna go to rent and during the he out lane. Out lay. It's been really fun pitching in the grass. You wanna stay for a little up remnants of your home. What do you want me to do? So then Luang tells us, you know, I just can't take it anymore. So I'm calling Daniel to go drink because that's where I am. That's what they've done to me. And, like, okay, you've officially become my mother, you know. Yeah. Drive me to drink like you literally drove yourself to drink like in the car. I know. Exactly she. Yeah. And I also like that when she was storming out the restaurant, she's like she's going out believing. No. Not laterally literally lately. Let's leave elements like by the way, I'm leaving. Yeah. Levy. I'm calling a new wbur. I'm leaving. By plane that. Cabaret stores leaving the restaurant right now. Okay. Lil have fun. I will have leaving in falling off the wagon which women are forced to do so mind me, just go a year down a path, no sobriety just leaving anyone anyone so Bethany come back to the table. And I got I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Bethany look at me. Okay. There's nothing to be Sewri about except being age, not having a child yet a whitening. So I didn't didn't realize we're big like an old hag with your makeup. Okay. Mic. God that guess what? I feel your pain fuck mentioned this yet, but I cried K because I'm I'm an eighth K feel other people's pay for example right now. Right down on the inside of my stomach feels really dry and old Timothy sitting too close to feeling. MPF. Okay. I go from New York, New jersey, you can get a pass and client on me k it's great. So sunday. Yes, Bethany is just like crying about like being in the winds and prevention, Manatt helping Dennis. And then all of a sudden, the wind comes back. I wanted to leave. But I couldn't leave. I mean, am I gonna throw away all this hard work, and sobriety for them, those bitches? No, they're not gonna win. I'm not gonna let them. Also. I couldn't find any. Oh, so I just back here and I. Really wanted the rest of my pop tart in that toaster. So also that Uber's fourteen minutes away. That's unacceptable. Also, I accidentally hit Uber Uber pool which I thought was gonna take to the cruel. So I could swim. But turns out I had to share a car with three strangers. I mean, what is this madness your Miami, see later, Miami, not coming back anytime soon? Yeah, you're not gonna see the lack semi here again in Miami until I can I'm back to perform it. One of the largest theaters, and throw it. At the film or. Does now finally like Landis aren't a feel like feel bad about all the situation. So she's starting to like she's like, well, I mean, now that I've left in come back and no one cared. I realized that this is Dr situation. So let me just say I feel terrible. I feel terrible and sodas. You care come here. Wasted. Yeah. But she's not happy landfills terrible. But she's just happy because the sort of person where if she sends a glimmer of resolution, she's just so, you know, it's like the tensions like all up and now she's excited. So she's like, yeah. And sonny's smelly persona. Non grata speaking of grad, Thanh and goes back to the potatoes and Beth things me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I made a scene, which is, you know, Bethany I have to say everything three times, and I even I'm not used to it yet, for whatever reason. And I keep writing down three times every time she talks. But sonya's like well Bethany apologized to all of us the win. Okay. So you're not the only one, of course, I feel terrible. He started with Barbara. And I just I just wanna talk calmly. Can we talk calmly runs was Smith Unie? I know it's hard whether you around cabaret started keep your wits about you. But try your best. We all try and throw there are panties at my face right now will I try and get through this Jones number right now. I'm sorry, Barbara, I've been wrapped up in myself much like you're wrapped up in Diane von Furstenberg dress for your Ramona. Listen to crop top and get to the point k so she's like, well, I've been wrapped up in myself. I was in the hot, you know. And I know that Beth needs dealt with things like the death of Dennis horrible custody battle that never seems to end. He ever ever had to try to set set prices for orchestra seats. Tell me that. You know, it's hard, you know, and Saturday, you're realizing that you're matinee hasn't sold out, and you're just out there. Try your best. It's hard. It's hard. I feel you now, listen to death of Dennis was a major thing, and I want you to know. I thought he was special. I liked him. So I'm sorry. I was like I'll always remember. His round. Well, brown. Her is a proud. He's bald, right? He's ball. Well, he, he was a person who I li-, I like the way he walked, he had a straw, yet astride that could take him to, and fro very charming man. I loved him in those films with Walter Matthau would a charming charming man welter was that's Dennis the menace for Christ's sake. Like seriously go, so I'm sorry. Oh, look at you calling the Mets, that wasn't me. Everyone. Associates like. Well, I just didn't wanna bring it up because you've moved on. I've got a poster in front of the Beth things an attitude. I want the best view, Mike. How did we get here? I'm not mad at you were just outside screechy. I don't want her near me. I know I only want the best for you. I want you to sobriety. I want you go you meetings yoga's. I want you to have your kept ready to be successful like your kids like hat. I want you to swim. I don't want you to drown. I want to have a nice time of the ocean. Don't, don't get signed by jelly jellyfish and help you up your car to tune up anytime soon. You know, I hope you don't you're on a couch. She want the best view. You know. It's like I don't know. I don't know what came over me. I don't know what you know what I do know what came over me and some avalanche bullshit. Right. Came to me, you know, like literal strangers on the street and have been nicer to be about Tennyson land. Okay. Piles on piles on me and she's like, listen the way you have to make a change just just received this. Okay. Receive it, but I'm not signing for it. And this is CO d. Yeah, I will receive it. But unfortunately, I won't be able to sign for it because I'm on the road when my cab. Okay. On where can you take a boot off my neck and out? So now it's all okay. You know, gone from, like a crazy nuclear war to like, it's fine. Let's go swimming. Yeah, yeah. Okay. She's on bass, I the scene. You know I'm gonna be in trouble now. But this one, you know, will you give them a dinner show. That's the door -able dinner theater, that life is a cabaret, Mariah might if not a camera in hand. All bad. Like we can't just take a win. I don't know if you watched watch what happens live last night that I did. Because Bethany Bethany look what look at me me me me me, completely Beth meat out of her mind. You know, I think Bethany is on drugs. It's Bethany it's like she just did with Bethany before that possess. Hi, it's me. It's me. So she was on there. And they asked about land, and I thought she was pretty nice about Leon like considering all of this. She's like, but the way she's the wing like like what are you gonna do now? I'm clear. I'm clear in, I'm free. I'm free. What are you gonna do? She was kind of ice, but then Lou Ann can't just take a win. You know, she hadn't episode where people could get back on her side but immediately goes on Twitter and she's like, really friends. Don't keep. Yeah, I don't know Bethany my life. She did what a friend would do. You know, it's like even if you feel that way, optics Lou an optics, I will say this though, one thing that I am very impressed with about luanne. Is she really like people can come at her and she'd like is very unflinching? Like she's shockingly unflinching. She always has a comeback, whether she's right or not. But she really does not get rattled. And I'm almost like envious of that. And do you know that comedian Joel booster is a comedian? Is trust. That's it. Just wanna ask. No. Yeah. Party friday. Sorry, he's gonna go. No. But he he's like a he's like an up and coming very, very funny comedian, he's one of us, he's a gay and he he and actually our friend Michelle Collins were tweeting. I it was actually like a week ago or two weeks ago and talking about this whole Bethany and Michelle, Michelle Bethany and Lou Ann thing and his theory, which was so, great was that he said, basically Beth news had one locked and loaded for every single cast member. She's been able to take every cast member down. Eddie given time. And she's really never been able to like never been able to get to Lou. Like she's never it's not that Beth is trying to take someone down. But she has never been able to get inside the head ever, and it makes Bethany go nuts. And it's kind of an amazing therapy really think about it. I mean because as crazy as this episode was where she had the meltdown doesn't even compare to the berkshires episode where they had that fight and Bethany was just anything. Was throwing Lou ad way out there. Shaking your head or like, oh, really? Really? Really? So I think it's a great, I ran and that yet makes people like Bethany crazy, the end blue ink, wouldn't be affected by anything. I mean really she could see train coming for a baby. You know, on the train tracks, she'd be like really baby that such bad manners train track like she doesn't think, like normal people. You can't sick, you know, you can't see yes. She was he the train coming for a baby on the train tracks and go. Oh, really we're just gonna go right by my stop. Okay. Fine. I'll just stand up here. It'd be like baby. Baby, this common traded mos-. Love your like on though, motion just made that up. We're just like right. That in. Schemed me in a dream. I don't even know where that game. So they got to the house and Ramona. I'm Barbara I, which is hilarious that they even drove together. You know, Beth probably Ramona's big idea of making an effort towards Barbara is going in a car with her one time, but she comes in at the growth home, just us growth from uh supposed to do with right. And so it's just like, well, my clock is punched. I just love when she just like drops a random saying, you know. She's like smitty. My clock Pudge too. Senate gone down on me right? Smitty. So there then Bethany comes home and Bethany comes home Beth leave out of for mind again. It's like his his is here. You see what did we do? What's going on what's happening? What's your name? What's your name? You're okay. You're not a person, okay? Ramona's like we do it all baby. Let's dance party. So they're gonna start their dance party. But before they start the dance party Ramon, it goes, the Tinsley. Hey, Tinsley, okay. I love the way you dress. But the dress makes your chest look flat. K it's like it's true. We are the sick clean, because I paid three thousand dollars for this dress with overpay. Okay. Probably thought old heiress enter a detective during the comes in. It's like you, you, you he as he Simpson's doesn't track here can K fifteen kinky Clasby Langley, trip, every kings gang knew. And then let's that can kisha new can marry avenue. Brand new add up and lie and Mamathe. About. A met through. I also like the implication, that I like that. She had to differentiate TJ Maxx, Madison Avenue, implying that perhaps, since these looked like it came from digit max. It's been Stein, more like everything's do 'em at girl in getting the sail on it. So what did you catch it? You know what she's saying which I like horse shaving Tinsley so funny, 'cause tensely, this is the first time we've even seen Tinsley not wear lace up to her chin. You know what I mean? And our slut shaming Tinsley let alone for Christ's sake. 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Well, this is the woman member, wouldn't you wate. Now, let's get to see one of pancake, tits tuned up for charitably is flat. Doesn't not to dress his fault. Okay. Just nationally flat breath. You would've thought she'd already gone to breastfeeding. But guess what? We all know she hasn't. Okay. So then Sonia cuts just like Sweding her we've around. She's like taking out her hair like a little like hands on the knees. Like happy dance. You know, it's so cute. And then Tenzin gets onto the kitchen island, and she starts like doing this weird rigid like it was sort of like a dance. It was as it looked, like she was picking up something that was like beneath her shopping cart, and putting it back on the shelf, and then taking something from shelf and putting it back onto the car and she's like, yeah, I'm only got a bus out. My super moves after dinner like that. Yeah. So Bethany up in her room doing yoga and during this league kinky. Ring ring ring goes. Taking my whole desk like Santa Claus today on my desk. It's amazing how your living room states perfectly still living rooms, do, it's so well appointed living room sake. When I laugh, are you see me right now on national internet, while amazing, I can see into your formal living room to which is the next room behind it out, so expansive, it's okay, I was trying to do shots, like New York City behind me. But then I just look like I'm like this big dude. Like the most terrifying monster in New York City, like Mack, Mack the knife or MAC the night from McDonald's member. That was like dolls open late. Yeah. Okay. So Bethany stretching during the comes in. He helped getting what he's so meet room, you always need tax related only keep betting Janse way you know this. And I'm like, oh, God here comes in with her, you know, during during the 'isms when she's wasted and always reminds me of Christmas Eve, visiting my house K, because then it turns into, like mediocre will hunting, because essentially, like okay just wanted to see it's bad expand. It's not your fault, and then it actually is like, it's very it gets very moving as Bethany is like still she is like I don't like she is obviously in the thick of mourning and grief, and it's horrible. I would not wish anyone but on top of that's Bethany. So like her emotions are just like swirling, and all these places and earned his basically saying, listen, you're trying to like be still be Bethany Franklin superwoman doing all these things all at once and you have to stop at a. That's really terrible should happen. And just like almost be present in it for a moment rather than trying to run away from it should just live. Evening. -nology spent I need you to say it's dead, the tennis that fad he leaves bet. It is. It is. It's bad bad. It is. That is then okay. This is nice thing eggs. It's bad hugs. You know is bad. It's bad, you know it is bad. Somebody call. She's like. The single love. Shimoni. I'm looking at the cabaret star in the mirror. Asking her to never changes thing because he's amazing girls. Dirty. So everybody is basically packing getting the hell out of there and. Lou AM is just being even extra with her yoga guy, the guys like how's everything always, like? Well, really, I feel like I've been hit by Druk truck filled with bad friends, munsters, and don't support me, guess what I feel like I feel like I've been attacked by a bus of non ticket holders ever seen the transformers you ever see when they go from robusta trucks, and they just run over some pork have star in downtown Los Angeles. That's feel I feel like that Bethany basically bumblebees. That's how. P strong. So, yes, whatever ask Lou and are you? Okay, are you. Okay. Are you? Okay, or you okay. Okay. You. You've been at by a smooth Bethany. Okay. So she's do off of Rada. Off of what? Time. Okay. So Ramona as what is Ramona bring fifty pairs of shoes for three days, three day trip. So anyway, his apparently jetted. He's not there to help anybody with shit. He's out of their Ramona actually has to pack her own shoes, which is pretty much the kind of scene. You think it would be? Yeah. Pretty much, and, you know, and Luan telling us that she loves her life, and that she's not gonna anyone ruin it. So good for you. Quit doing cabaret. They're asking you to quit being an asshole. Yeah, exactly. Stop talking about it. So then Ramona tells Sonya gotta pack. I'm actually not going to the airport, because this stink or eighth. It's made party to score its friends party. Stay these already. Don't be mad at me. Okay. Throwing Tony up single ready to mingle. Okay. And so, so he goes into Barbara's room. I don't know did Barbara already leave, maybe or whatever. But it's all it's all empty. I guess Barbara lost some rings. And so, she calls, Barbara, like, hey, barb. I'm in your room and I'm looking for your rings and I don't see them. But God, there's a lot of spray tan all over your stuff. What happened in here? That is not cool everywhere. It was like this. Pacino liana. Shame no kidding like validated. Adrian maluku. Like the ghost of Adrian relief is just in their haunting haunt, I think, you know, Adrian me has been in your house. The ghost of Adrian relief is been there when there's just Brown all over your white furniture. It felt like there had been a C video that had been shot in there. And some of the spray tan beforehand has thrown herself against walls and videos. Kinsley just facing a corner with black and white cookie wig. Want us win. Relevant. Actually, I mean, the funny part of that, that song is sort of about people like Tinsley, which is, I guess, funny, I don't remember anything rhyming with eggs in that song, all had it to you, because I'm on my pop culture. I don't remember anything rhyming with tapas Wath in that song. Okay. So, basically, now we're back in New York, right? No, I would happen. Sorry, let's get some stuff. Do you take it over man? Autumn, actually said. Now, I just know ended, you actually I mean pretty much. They they're packing up. This is also. When we first find out that maybe it was mentioned earlier, I don't remember, but like you know, he's going to Palm Beach because Bambi has lymphoma, and then Louis that's when Louis leaves, and she's like, well Miami won't be seeing the likes of me for while I've had my share Florida for a very long time except for the Fillmore theater royalva posters. Which was amazing. And then they're trying to get to help them with their luggage in the car, and it's like just no help, what this is our driver a woman. Oh my God. Florida really is a foreign country. We own country woman. She's like I'm the. Kissing me. So. Kissing me or Kacem e. Plot. So to render now, now we're back in New York. And we see the pops of everyone to rent in Bethany are interim does new parliament and Ramona's at the age lists like factory with Sonya, and they're like, frolicking. And Lou Angeles at the studio like failing village of feeling. It's me, it's you on the shoe wearing a shoe that just came to me. I'm where Jews and I'm looking at you walking down the sidewalk, and I'm going to talk. It's vanni. I'm giovanni. I just can't stop coming up with them. So we finally land on to render and Bethany at her apartment. And to Renta's bed is amazing to say that it would a beautiful that, okay? So drained is like he wanted to like, share, you believe in. Yeah. You think I'm gonna like in Beth things like this place is great so amazing. But there's no sign of John here. Look, you couch cushions are all one, one level. Like, obviously not sitting around here like on the ground like what the hell is John even here? I don't get smell bacon. Like, where's he you don't eat on even have to turn on an elf airfield? What's going on here? Okay. I don't even hear Duffy to walking around. All right. What's going on here? There's no backpacks table in here. Like, what am I supposed to believe? John legs here. Like what the hell's going on? It's going be gonna say during this. He comes in. He goes literally have you ever heard me in the morning being like gangs, now, now, never, never. Where is he like I don't see one straight pew. Like, john. Anywhere. Where, you know, I keep my very neat just like, you know, like that John comes in for Saxon leads. Is it Bethany? Doesn't do that for every guy pet things like all right. Is three thirty in the morning and you have to leave right now and here is my goes Butler to send you out. She was with her husband for like five minutes. And hey listen, I'm with you. I'm the exact same way. I'm like, thank you so much for your service. Here's roller by get out. And then you're into goes, you know what I'm basically doing Tinsley, but I'm doing it. But dry-cleaning okay. I lowered my standards, I've just I've just sleeping with them. It's right cleaning, okay? I got used to it. I drank lead, my thongs, which is so terrifying. Cod. I feel so bad for dry cleaners when people do sit like that. Like, I'm going to dry clean my thongs or just like. Thanks. So Beth things like, you know. Yeah, let's talk about this weekend. I mean that was a lot. I mean I was exhausted. But you know what I'm like I wasn't emotional release. Yeah. I don't want a lot of negativity with the man. You know. Yeah. Like she's been texting me about, you know, Barbara said like she's going crazy like because she thinks I might be mad at area. You know, you know, she is enduring though, I don't because I said, when fucking thing in Cartagena and she won't speak to me for ten months, and then look at you kissing your but after you destroyed or at dinner. I know. But the thing is the difference, is that with the Rinta in Cartagena like everything was fine to render was like lands. Biggest like was there like buddies Buddy's, buddies and the wind, I still I still say this was pre lamb becoming the asshole. She was the season. She basically was like Louis-based basic Derain, distorting goes into was turning and then during like, oh, yeah. Well, you have a fucking Moshe, she just went boom released Bethany is like, you know, like there was like there was like grief behind, and there. And, and I'm sure maybe even luanne on some level understood. It just it was it was it was a different context as just not quite the same. And that's kind of what Bethany was even trying to politely say in her own way. Like you know, you gotta look at the whole world. Okay. You know, it's like it's like a catch. You can't look at things in a vacuum. Okay. Although, like I do need the vacuum. All right. Any vacuum? Hey, what's, what's gonna have action? You. You gotta look at the whole pie study. She's like, you know, you gotta look at our relationships of the years, Liu and has been a monster. And we for years, okay? She's just been a Mostra to you for a little while. Like she's been a monster to meet forever. The real truth here is luanne is more scared of Bethany because. Yeah, it best. Guess what happens to you? You get fired K rice and off to the farm. Everybody says he ran away. But meanwhile you're being put down with my first dog robo. Okay. Also you. Yeah. I also think that luanne felt like she truly have not I, I don't want to upper hand, but I think the win felt like with during the thing like oh, that was like out of left field. And like she should apologize to me. And we're the best thing. I'm sure she was like not like this is out of left field, but, oh, shit less. You probably saw it as I know. I did nothing wrong. But I see that Bethany is spiralling. And I don't want this like miscommunication, like she probably does matter. It's not my job on also she. She also took what Beth she only? Here's what she wants to hear. Right. So when Beth needs like you're an asshole. But, you know, I'm really upset about tennis. She's like, oh, well, who's all about her being upset about tennis. And how could you take it out on me? Which is what it into, you know, she hears nothing. But yes, yes, my best thing trying to get our fired. I think. So she just wants an audience all the time as you sit there in your living room being filmed for TV for like your six year. Like I mean, I think you all have that in common at the very. Yeah. Exactly. Like even like during an event, we were like the audience that the land shows like, okay? I mean, I don't think you're necessarily wrong that she wants an audience. But I think that the pension I'm not sure that the metaphor applies in that situation. Unintended audience so king of stars. We now go to luanne over the recording studio where she's working on. Filler giovanni. And they're like, hey lady, hey, lady who supposedly wrote the lyrics, and isn't just someone that DM shit over Instagram. What was that line again? She's like one day at a time. Keep it cool. We'll be fine. Oh, okay. One day at a time. Keep it cool and will be. Hey, that's the story of my life. One day time Harvard that somewhere. It was a show. I did in Miami. This is is, is it, this is life. You got just got to live your law that, let's, let's do that. One step at a we've heard that before. Standing tall on the wings of. I like that. Let's, let's workshop that one one day at a time. Listen, I earned that lyric. This isn't a Mexican restaurant ships. Don't come for free. I love what she's describing her new song, and she's like, you know, it's funny I mean, I can't wait with this new song when I say the name of the song to anyone, they're always, like no. I mean at the pinnacle of vision, they, I mean, they say, oh, no, no, no, no. Thank you. Thank you. So then they show Lou Ann singing, her song at their, you know, these Bravo is always really mean about not playing what they're actually singing just it sounds like she's singing cappella, right? 'cause they're not playing the Buzek races so terrible. And it said typically wins sitting on a stool, she's bopping your head but to the wrong beat. You know, and it's like kinda awkward she's like fear. Onny feeling Giovanni feeling Giovanni and it feels so good. On my God auditing. You are auditing just needs a fucking EMMY Grammy every single. It really does it really does. I also like that they clearly gave her some notes, and how she should sing her likes rat parts because, you know, if you listen to money can't buy you class. She like articulates every single syllables just like beauty confidence elegance by premieres and fireworks. And so now they like make it up. So now she's going one day at ATar cubicle. One day. Consonants. Okay. Like, okay, you're gone too far the other way. Okay. Lou. Just stand there and go, oh, can you do that? They just turned it into all. Well, you know, when I walk after when I walk out after all much shows, the fence scream, Giovanni Giovanni. So I thought why not make it a song like they're not screaming Giovanni screaming? Different cattail something, Ronnie. You're fucking green screen is working because when you just tilted off like that you like I could see like this gallery wall behind you the lake rate and I literally almost running. I love what you've done with your photos back there. I literally said that all honesty and weight li- li-. He did nothing with those are not his photos. Yes. Yeah. So, yes, basically, the lands just sitting there and she goes one day at a time, keeping lose your mind lose your. That come from. Did I just think that, that I just drop some genius? Am I the lady con-? Yeah. No. Where's that part that I just added that was in the lyrics that grove sent me over Instagram, dark? No. You just made that up. She did. I just made it out. Wow. Like a regular Oriana Grandes. Luan say. The only person she can count on Lusi me myself, and I get it. And if you lied to show to put a cabaret on it. So Durant, as at home with some old Queen, she knows named Jan, and she's decided she's going to have an aerobics aerobics day for charity. And she might just take this on the road and compete with Lou Williams cabaret with really would be hilarious. If she could traveling aerobics thing, she actually got a little bit screwed because they showed a clip 'cause John, she Drennan John aerobics instructors in the eighties, and they're like rivals. Now, they're friends, and we see a clip of them talking about wanna do some sort of like aerobics. Charity thing, it says five weeks ago, which meant they shot this a long time ago, which meant that we were probably supposed to be seeing little scenes over the course of the season leading up to rent as big a rubik's class, so she kinda got screwed from promotion, because Luay unless he's had a little scenes, leading up to her cabaret. And so I kind of feel bad. I feel like drin- deserve more to do about her aerobics. That was you could make it a thing. But I'll tell you one thing if she brings her aerobics class LA I am signing up a hundred percent. Oh, god. Not mean, but I mean that's no offence to her. It's offense to aerobics fuck young robotics. How about you fuck yourself? Although my mom was a huge Riddick star in the eighties herself and how which I've mentioned on the show, but she was like a star k she taught an aerobics convention at the convention center. K GM a hundred people, I remember going as a little kid to see my mom performance in aerobics star. And I was like my mother is famous. I am south doing this one. And then I never exercised in my life, I still don't understand why you've not sold a pilot about your childhood. I just don't understand this. Your mom euro Vic star turned cook like heavy drinker. And then your, your dad, your aunt with your lesbian ants with a bowling alley. And the like it's just like one thing after another after another. It is like I look back at my childhood. I'm like, yeah, I. That was lawyer. Hey, that's way better you win. No, fence, dad. Oh, thank my parents don't list. Okay. So come on aerobic so, yeah. So during this big rubik's, competitor, which I just loved the thought of my mom and Durant going up against each other. You know, and then going out for a box of FRANZ later being like you know you would today better and then like being mean behind each other's backs ruining each other's lives with rumors and the junior league. Oh times. So yes, they've decided they're going to do this eighties thing, which, again it's like housewives being like wasn't the eighties. Fun gay people, and gay people being like Hello. It was. I thought there was like sushi made some comments and forget, what they were. But there were veering towards like Lou. But it was cute though, Dourdan, John, like practicing her apartment in doing aerobics, like face to face. It was almost like romantic, except it wasn't obviously, it was like it was it was veering on, like, the closest we could get to thirty dancing moment that the show could offer us, you know. Yeah. Think so now, so now we go to seeing that I think is going to be a little tricky for me because it's why tricky shits hilarious. Okay, okay. Dog fairly. I mean, not really. Because it's tricky, because I don't want people to think I'm discounting truly, like how Saturday salutes pack. I mean, like I remember I didn't lose dog by lots of cat. Remember, like I cried so hard on my cat died. When I was nineteen or twenty whatever like a cat had since I was like in second grade. You know, you lost Zena everyone who's had a pet you know, Sony people have been doing this. Oh, sad making fun of someone. From sonia. Those fuck. Yeah. Monsters will also like Tinsley. It's like. I mean her grief is just like it is, she heard, she is so like, I'm not making fun of her grief. But, like, wow. Like it's like you don't know I felt myself being torn between wanting to hug this poor girl and be like, oh my God. Gotta get it together. A little bit. Please even Ramona's saying that. Well, Ramona, she of no emotion. Whatever my God. Talk about a sociopath case comes over, and she tends these. The way Ramona hugs her, she hugs her. She's just like looking at the camera like rise, what FOX is going on here. Okay. But I was in get a meat Pleat. Yeah. Ramona knows about to go on a date, because she's wearing glittery Madonna gloves finger gloves. You could be my lucky store. Okay. You know what you can only be so out of control Tennessee get it together. And he's like. Like hope I'm not like this cocoa dies. Okay. Listen. I got a date. So did you have to put them down to just die at what happened? What happened this isn't healthy for you? So Tim talks about how she gave Bambi three kiss because Bambi was dying, and I really liked bam. You remember we enjoy Bambi smart turtleneck. So, so she says she gave Bambi three kisses checks on thirty minutes later, and she's in she was like she was like Bambi Bambi. And so she's telling, like heart wrenching, albeit a little over the top story, just like I was like, Bambi baby, Ramona just staring at her like this one. This is this is my cast member. This is why I have to talk with right now this crazy bitch. Look. I mean, Bambi was set move yet. Guess, but if for mother didn't die, Bambi wouldn't have been pampered like what the hell are we cry at that movie? So old wet, you sad movie to go watch the job. And if you with rob. Euro cake. That's that move. Yeah, I cried entire plane ride. Law. So even the music I don't know if he knows that even the music didn't know how to play it. It's like do we go comedic right now? Do we go tragic? So it's just what was in this weird holding pattern of. It was like shabby funny. I'm sort of being a little funny, but I'm being serious, too. Like when what what can I do antennaes like, oh my God. I called nine one one and then all the fire trucks game put they couldn't do anything you call. On that loan. Ward war in oh, this bitch from oil me again. Great. I cannot believe she called nine one one. I mean as adorable as Bambi was. And as tash is Tricia was nine one. Cynical now known, especially in a big city like there's I live across the street from a retirement home, a big huge Russian retirement. How girl there are ambulances and fire trucks out there every day, three times a day because, you know, and now you have to really be like bleeding out of the is to get any attention at all, you know, I could just imagine. Because, you know, the old people gather around and watch the C who's being put in the truck today or whatever, and I could just imagine like this little tiny lump, you know, the little dog coming out people being like. Dog for nine one would imagine the paddles. It's like that upset of the Simpsons when they showed the vet trying to revive a hamster with you at the piles, clear boom at the hamsters. So come. And she like Ramona's like whoa. This is major for tensely not to be weighing on lashes any makeup off even lip gloss. Elite. Oh, look she's not wearing any of her old looking makeup. It's shocking. Wow. Ramona's like. Doesn't look seventy else ceremony. Tries to console her. She's like hell Tinsley. He went to a better place. Okay. He wasn't going to get better. Okay. Sometimes just got let it go. And I know it's hard. I know it's hot and no. You loved him. Is it a him? Is it her? What exactly joined by the way? Was it a dog was a cat? But was this. I don't care much I think. Survey then Sonia has come in. Right. And she's just kind of looking at Tinsley like, oh, God. She goes. Yeah, I haven't seen some of this hysterical over losing a dog. And this is from someone who had a dog funeral. Yes. It's also from someone who just gave away all their dogs. Suddenly, so let's not forget that Kate man. You insensitive monster. Sonya. I didn't follow that. So you gave away her dogs. You don't remember. She had like three dogs, and she's just like, oh Lou. No. She just kept this one. She she got rid of the other ones, you know it's just too much. So she got rid of all the other dogs and just kept this dog. Well, she's, of course, keep me Lou me lose a very proud dog. Luke could be giving away. All right. Meal mill and Bambi having fun up in doggy heaven. So. It's like goes, I ever kid a real name Bambi, because I love bam. You so much Sunday gets flow. You're in heated moment. No one. That when she's tired. And so, she's like, well, my mom and my sister, we're gonna have a viewing of Bambi tomorrow, at that point, the music was, like, okay got it. We're doing comedy. Did it into instead, and essentially, she shouldn't name, her kid Bambi because I knew stripper name Bambi, Miami Wyatt's, like totally serious, and we're going to go what of doing what are you talking about? And she gets that Ramona gets full on Shannon, because after freeze in before you greet them. So they froze her. But then my sister wants holders, so they're going to unfreeze her run way. What do you mean? On free. What do you do microwave? And like you can't put a she can't dog kept out of frozen. Can't do that. You gotta thought out again and Ramona's face. I mean Ramona was doing full Shannon. You not amadora's that thing which was where she like her mouth has opened our eyes bulging starts that little shake like. Ramona was doing. It was she was. So she was like, who wants to hog deep thought dog? Like why you didn't start to hang out with Mario again. Oh rude. Drew thought dog and sunny. It's like I know she gets I know he's like I know this is very upsetting few tensely. You're alone in the world. You're not with Scott. The more your mother mocks you on national television. You live in hotel for crying like losing circus by me anticipating speaking of Scott, he was so sweet. I just got these shoes from him. Look at David Liga today and sunny. Bambi shimmer, sneaker wet. Scott centers like litter sneakers, I guess, at Bambi on them as I get 'em even Sonia's like I think these are just like another gift. I don't think these are the things that you give for bereavement, especially for someone that you allegedly haven't spoken to in a long time, socio full. He bought her a glitter SUV named Bambi. I think that's so cute. And since he's like getting away out tens like I don't know if I can go to aerobics just builder. I mean that scene was one of the funniest things I've seen I was digesting, I need to drink. You know what scotch have done is Dopp the penguin for. And by the way, L we ever gave a shadow. But when we went to Minneapolis at the meet-and-greet, one of our listeners came up and showed us that she adopted penguin at the zoo on our behalf. So we actually have a penguin baby out there. We do. And I have I have the penguin. I mean, the little stuffed version here. Oh, yeah. I've got to find the certificate somewhere because we have to we have to keep tabs. We need to have someone we need to have like a proxy caretaker to check in on our penguin every now and then. So then we go to luanne, who has gone over to Ramona's house, and she's like, all right? Well, how's the dating life, you don't seem to have too much of a hard time with that slut and? You always keeping here. So I couldn't get him catch him this, you know. I also liked, by the way, when the doorbell rang when the one was there. Well, come on. Cocoa lets you is. I mean, let's face it. You only have about three more weeks left, and I'm not gonna cry for you to wake tinsel it. Okay. Once you're dead, you're dead, no freezing. You're looking and not the way talk on the phone. Let you just stand in the middle of the street. He didn't die during support other women the monologue. You don't support other dead puppies. Okay, CoCo speaking of supporting other women can I just take this moment lease to say thank you to my dear friend, Michelle Pfeiffer. Oh me a letter. Look, love Michelle. It says, dear Ronnie. Henry rose was built on inclusivity of everyone. Thank you for being such an inspiration within your community. Okay. I think this goes to prove that I don't really know Michelle Pfeiffer and kissing. See if she knew me, she never would have said that inspire gay people. I was just wondering, I was just wondering 'cause I just got a notification of a package. Unlike I think it's my Michelle Pfeiffer, beg shit. Five for has this new sent a line of sense, and it's called Henry rose. And she sent it to us for, for price celebration. Can I tell you, I'm the best smelling gay person in town? Well, look at that and we rose could I tell you, why I'm so mad at you Ronnie. Because you're a way to cavalier about the fact that you have a handwritten letter from shell Pfeiffer, and you're like about the show. What I just put it up on the just put it up on the no but you're like, well, I have Michelle Pfeiffer, it should be like, oh my God. I have Michelle Pfeiffer wrote me a letter. Robie a letter that it's like an. Listen, this isn't the first day. I've been Ronnie Karem. Oh, well, she thinks she can get into ARA cabaret. She has another thing coming, Michelle Pfeiffer, guess it on our podcast you'd like. She'd be like where am I am? I crowded living room, so weird looking, she would be so lost our show. I just feel like she just stare at us penetratingly like this is what you guys do. Really? I mean, I know some real clunkers about this. This is this is not good. We'll go get your Henry rose, it smells delicious support, Michelle Pfeiffer. Because by the way, she's also national treasure and is not in nearly enough things we were just talking about Greece to you last week. I mean, come on. Okay. So here we are back to Ramona's apartment. So they're talking, they're having like small, Chad. And Ramona's like dating. I just don't have that chemistry and the just keeps interrupting everything. She saying as Luanda's like you know what you mean is Ramona's like book, you know, get put you can't keep them our own sitting this tuna party, and he was not chemistry, right? Because we're older. We know what we want where Vicki my right? Ramona? No, I just didn't feel free and she just fucking say her. Well, because the wind knows it's the same old thing, what he's great man. He's six foot nine. He owns a Plum company. He also owns a basketball teams shoe contract, and he on the weekend, he enjoys taking long walks down Madison Avenue, but only between eighty third and eighty secondary back and forth and back and forth for half an hour, very exciting. All right. Got the chairs Ramona July or not now. Why have chemistry with Mary Cate that it said it's just marry. Oh, god. We're going back down that Stony path again Ramona. And it's like no. I just can't too much happen. Nope swim at dinner, and he was like, whoa. So melancholic. See hurt me. No, but we're just if people that she's like. Ooh. And she cries, a little, which it's really weird seeing Ramona have any kind of emotions and other seen. I was like she's faking it. But now, I don't think she's faking, it's weird sing Ramone album. Oh, I don't know what to do may, Ramona has definitely a history of crying. But I guess not as much recently. Well, I mean, I think the let her last big sobbing moment was when she and Bethany were in Mexico in the pool, and she was wrapped in pool noodles. And. To bethany. Wasted the there's, I guess, there's not that many times of believable, crag from remember, maybe, that's, maybe that's why should say she's either wasted or she's faking it like in Morocco. But it made me kind of feel for Ramona, which is bizarre. Okay. So I'm sorry, everybody, I'm apologizing publicly for feeling for a moment because it's just not a way that if so. So. Yeah. So basically. Yeah. She's talking about how like, you know, she saw Mario and then Llewellyn is saying, well have about that trip. I really felt like a punching bag for Bethany trauma. I mean, I'm trying hard not to take it personally. But, you know, when you're cabaret star, your emotional, being, what can I do, but take it emotionally? I mean, let me tell you something not to be dramatic. But I was on the curb getting ready to be picked up and go out if I went out, I would have had a drink. I would have, and that would have been on all you ladies. Yeah. Have been on you that still would have on you and remote like, well, I'm going to tell you this took some gumption for you to come back to that table. I thought you were gone. Looking that's coming back to the table. That was made. You look stupid. What came back. So then there's this hilarious moment. Ramon Ramon of what we end up going to tell you something not attacking trying to tell you with friend. Okay. Sometimes you can be self absorbed south absorbed. Okay. And you each took work on if you can't if you can't and the Wang goes, well, I don't disagree that I've been absorbed and I own it. Anyway. So anyway, anyway. Christmas show up. Right, right. You cannot write this better. It's so good. It's like I own being self absorbed. So we come into my Christmas show, because it sold out and Ramona's like, well, basically, we support you. We love you. We don't wanna sit and watch you work. Just didn't you watch me work. I mean it's Christmas shows. Totally different totally different show. How could you say something like that? I'm like, well, the cakes point you wanna look at you work. Do you wanna come? You wanna come to the factory and watch me. Make ageless which turns old ladies little children. Nobody can even recognized anymore. No probably not. We don't want to see it. And, you know, the other reason I can't go to your Christmas show, because this one, one, little girl, like I want to go see a Christmas show on always than Jodi Parsons said, no, you can't go because you're gonna ruin Christmas beer for everyone. And you're the worst one ever and clause. It's going to give you gifts to this day. I've never seen a Christmas show too traumatic meal. K Sewri Suare. But that's the truth. Listen, we end voicing show K once you get you. What aren't social Kate social? That's it. So here's lime can do instead of points. You show k I made a surprise party for Sonia driven you can come after because it's done. At nine by exactly. I can't wait to see the look their faces when they're surprised as a prize Barbara won't ruin at all. Lands like oh me neither I can't wait to see their faces except I will be there. You have to do this the same night as my show. Listen. You know, my show isn't just over when it's over the after. And then there's when I walk out, son, people scream, Joe, though. And after the show, there's the after body and out to the it the hotel lobby and after the hotel lobby be lobby and after all be lobby, then we're gonna go see my friend Bobby, I can go on. I can go to come up with Ron's because I'm songwriter now and so remote. It's like this sorry, just know what night, k- just Ramona there, seven days a week. She has yet but you know what? And she tells us, she's like there was a group texting metaph wanna go again. So I just came up with the idea to half a party Ori. So she got a story. Okay. And the van Goghs so you already talked about it. Listen, I mean, okay, you're gonna have it the non. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm not mad at all. Let me just dropped. Let me just drop something that they go knowledge in the music industry. First of all, it's a Christmas show. So it's like a -pletely different type of show from what you saw. Okay. So instead of singing, small goes, I smile, I'll be singing merry Christmas. Mary, MS joy to the world. It's a silent totally different joy to the world, your friends run supportive, Jingle Bells jingle. Bells jingle all the way because no one's here. So Lynn front, rove. With time on us face now, I get that every, I think that the argument here is bigger because basically, I think that they probably would have just gone to the Christmas show, if it was just a Christmas show that was it. But basically, Lou Ann is trying to have to season finale endings at her funding. Aberration, this entire show is not about your Catherine. I love it. But it when I saw glad you're but you're trying to make to season finale is about you being a cabaret star. And that's not gonna work, you know. Yeah, it's not it's not. And also they're sick of going on. I get that, too, especially because they went to the Halloween thing and wait hours and hours. And she like they probably felt a little burned by that. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like when your parents take your parents not wanna show up at your school play. And I know my mother still never saw my second grade, turn as Nora in adults house. Yes. I had a very sophisticated second grade play. That's correct. Like to think of her more as a bye, bye birdie type English to. He is. What am I gonna do? He's English teacher. I'm not marrying him see, like changes the whole plot. These. There would never marry a poor person. We love you Conrad. Oh, yes. We do we love you Conrad, there's much as true when you're not near us. We're at the cabaret. Get the hell out of my life. Yes, she would be birdie in. Bye. Bye. Birdie. It'd be like, she also be the mayor kids, why to do with kids to, to the Kaaba Rachel. It's. You'd go home to watch him at eleven p because you're a lame mom kids. So she's like. During. Okay. So next aerobics. Right. How many songs we sang this episode? I mean we are like. Very special cabaret episode. We can I know libra a so everyone comes dressed wacky for the eighties, aerobics thing and Sonia, of course, comes in with a broken crotch in hers. I also felt like window was wearing the Bambi shimmer sneakers. I was like, wait a second. Did you take those from Tim later into I know they did? They did look like that. Some skipping through some of this. Okay. Ramone is like, well, I'm very happy g-string. I can't remember the eighties. My favorite thing was dancing dancer, and I was like, oh, God, Ramona dancing, this is going to be priceless. I know. So, of course, it's are talking about Tinsley, and, whoa, she's freezing. Dragen slowing it. The dog is frozen right now. And Bambi will be defrosted. So we're sick and hold a dog in a blanket. Like, what, what is this is crazy? What are we at sunset? No. From a goes, I'm like. Everyone is like, yeah but let's not going has she wants no Scott? No, man. I mean, what are you gonna do? Listen, she came to the door with no lashes on. You're the set it. I mean remote is such a dumb ass. Yeah. It smells like fish fish. She says that because she, you know, they're both saying they think that she still talking with Scott. So then the wind shows up. Smell the fish, probably fish, K dyke. You order a fish of a menu, and the fish comes to tables, probably bitch. With this remote. I don't like it. Like some fish, please. That's what I'm saying. So Lou answer up. She's like, yes. Well, surprisingly, I'm not just a cabaret star. I also used to teach aerobics, the nurses at the rest home. I used to work. Gentleman, introduce you to my backup dancers, the rest home rock cats come out girls. So Bethany Barbara comes in. They can all begin so bad things like all right. All right. I wanted to have to have. I want to do more than west party, you know what because I got a surprise for everybody. I it's just what I wanna do. I love plan where its smallest rents with worse. Their plan where they do. Some of it's not a reach to be Hoy's. Oh, by the way, the wind. Thanks for the president really nice, great already put it in closet, have no idea where it's waiting for one of my insurance to take no one wants the white elephant yet. So that's where we're at with that. But, you know, thanks. It was awful. And when Diriye here's that Bethany gotta gift and Barbara, too. Calicut fuzzy jacket or something like that. No jacket had some on it, it was very nice say anything bad about it. I mean it's pizza shit by Mike, if anything bad about it must have been customer appreciation day, but I'm not gonna say anything bad about it, Mike. You just did you literally just did before so to renders. I k. Wow. Wow. Okay. She destroys with, you know, and you send a gift, we all you got to get Cruz five ten months. Did he invited from the Klanbake from mclamb big? Okay. From the Glenn Beck. I'd stay home and watch law and order sexy pre bugged. So I sort of, I guess, I thinks, well, I've bought her a gift for my own reasons. Those reasons between us most likely I don't want it to get fired. But guess guess what you will, and during this, oh, you think to get getting co with staring left. It what she during the so fucking nasty. Durant is a really fun person to watch, but she really is fucking nasty luanne runs out of that dinner after just being slaughtered by everybody. She runs out pretty much she wasn't crying. But as far as it was, basically, as far as the way and get as close as guest to cry. She went out of their miserable leaving after she just get slaughtered to rent it comes to act like she's supporting her and now she's immediately using it against her like, oh, you were so hysterical. And you were saying that was so mean as horrible. Got. Could you imagine? She was actually drunk in the scene, because, Dan, we would have had some fireworks and said, she was, you know, she can't get glass. So they. Yes, they start the class. It do some aerobics and stuff. We get some eighties editing, which was fun. And we hear a lot of like down push it. Push it out. Push it out down squeeze squeeze down. Push it a Jan push it squeeze push. It sent shine. Great. This squeeze and Beth things got T you doing this all over the country. Bessis Bethany such a shit starter. And then she was on, when she was on watch, what happens live last night. She's like oh, yeah. I told her she should have a lifestyle, she should take it all over the country to different kinds of Rovers and qua- in aerobics medley, isn't that got? It's got a good. It is good. As much as I loved aerobics eighties. It does feel a bit day. Passe unlike. They best. I am not sure. So then Ramona comes over so they're time basically and Ramona comes over to barb. O Hoyt bought. Listen, it just want. You didn't know on having a party on scene night is Louis Kip Ray as wanted to say you're invited. I mean, I know it doesn't feel like you're fighting because I never invited to invite everybody else. But it's just because I knew you gonna go to the Capri Brevard. Yeah. I am ING and that my plan, I'm gonna out Cam rain alley you only reason why she invited me was because she knew I wasn't going to go. So then Barbara goes over to Sonia is like, and it's like, you know, Ramona's having a thing eight o'clock the exact same time as just rule whatever. Yeah. So then soda have marches up to it's like you know what, you know what you can't you're having this. This is too much having a party at eight exact same time, Liu ads have it at nine. That's just not. Right. Well reasons to actually appreciate quite a bit if you just hold on, and just trust me. Okay. No. On the dot. Just like okay, point having splice part of you. Okay. But don't tell during you blew it from your Barbara you blew it. Okay. And happy looking backdraughts. Why don't you just run your mouth next time? So mad. It was like I didn't want anything. I was like, oh, Barbara got her revenge. That is such a dick move on Ramona's far. So then Bethany goes over to our Luana Bethany you're talking. And Lou I mean to through a party on the executive Christmas show. I mean how much more can I take? That's just mean. It is just me. How much more can I take? Oh, so dramatic so Bethany ob- enough, finds a good compromise that to we're gonna go up. We go cabaret. We're gonna do a toast, you'll be there on time. And we're gonna do it house, and go to barring basam rails. Okay. Like that's all we're to do. That's all I wanted. I just wanted you girls to see me doing my art, which is capped rate. So they found the great compromise of twenty nineteen rate compromise. And then next week is the season finale, which is so wrong, so wrong, we deserve three more episodes. Yes, we. Sure. Do. Damn you people. But what a fun episode. My god. Thank you for delivering consistently and all the time. K koogle. I mean, okay real house was go to Google. Thank you for delivering results for us. Your did all this hang out. That's for sure everybody. Thank you for being on crap on demand with us, this livestream is super fun. Everybody go check outcroppings on demand on patrons. You can watch over almost fifty videos now. It's crazy. Okay. And go get your life show tickets. 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Katlyn Carlson, Julia Mattison, Seth Herzog and Joel Waggoner guest

Doug Loves Movies

1:49:06 hr | 1 year ago

Katlyn Carlson, Julia Mattison, Seth Herzog and Joel Waggoner guest

"Uh-huh. Rever screening hurtles. What extras school? Died. A little this communication is. But we'll scoot this over a little bit knitted. No one will notice. Hey, hey, hey, everybody, Doug, and I love movies. Do you once again, for one of my favorite places to do Douglas movies, the Gramercy theater in New York? Always so much fun to do the show here. So many great name tags every time and it's Monday, June was that. It's. It's Monday, June twenty four twenty nineteen and I've hinted for weeks that tonight show would have a theme that it would be based around musicals, because Doug lows musicals, and so the first question I have to ask you guys do we make any musical themed name tags, or, I mean, others Jay and silent, rob strike back still legit. But I don't know why you lead with that, when you lay mizzle rob right there that fits theme. And also is one of the freaky, est name tags I've ever seen. If anybody doesn't remember this one check this shit out. There's raw. There's rob as co set. Can you do a few bars of castle in the cloud? Okay. Fair deal. Congratulations. Rob. The knitting never stops with you. Does it? What's your Twitter name, Katie? K K eight. K eight zero Freeman. Adieu is this something you would make for people if they wanted to buy one? No, they could buy that way. Okay. She knitted a lamb from Christmas story. It's not a scariest some of the other ones you've done like the face hugger, but it's still super-duper impressive. I'll Saturday nights Deavere Steven Steven, your name is Steve, not. That's not true. Once another musical every other musical ones where oh, LA La Land drew could chop. Of land drew, I do like the Jordan in real life, though, because it said of Steve Kraus face on pancakes. It's my face on a bunch of pancakes, and that posters. Always gross me out. I'm like, who would put their fucking ear inn pancake syrup and butter so, so nasty. All right. Well, good job, everybody. And thank you for bringing so many name tags. I know I sprung the musical's theme on some of you probably weren't, you're probably baby expecting all Rambo episode or something Doug plugs tomorrow night. Douglas movies is back in Los Angeles. At the theater, Franklin location this Saturday, June twenty ninth deal. Am is at the improv Pittsburgh at the extra special time of two PM. Yeah. Let's get it over with early you guys. Why fuck around this waiting till eight o'clock at night shit. I'm tired of it, and I'm side to say that Douglas movies will be part of DC DCM. That's the del close marathon normally done here in New York. But now it's out in Los Angeles year. I know sorry probably shouldn't have brought it up here. But it'll be at the theater out LA and, and I'm excited to be apart of that for all my dates and deeds links. Go to Douglas movies dot com. I mean, seriously guys any would raise your hand. If you've never been to this show or heard of this show like you're here tonight, are you like what kind of cult did I just stumble into what are these what is happening? It's like rocker rocky horror picture show, but it's a movie nobody's ever seen. And you have people all know what to yell out exciting news, though. So excited. That's what I wrote down. So that's what I'm going to. That's how I'm gonna play it. Because I follow the script. And I wrote down right here that twelve guests at Christmas is coming back here to the Gramercy. Sunday, December first and tickets are going to go on sale for everyone. That's here tonight as soon as the show's over, you could just get in line outside, and avoid the think it's almost like nine dollars in ticketing fees that you can skip if you just by right here at the box office after the show tonight for everybody else will be on sale tomorrow, at noon, and they'll have to pay those ticketing, I probably should be mentioning that to the listeners, just kept that between me and you guys, the, the that those prices are so high. Like I've been keeping it down. Because if you sell tickets for fifteen and the service charges force these costs nineteen tonight. Right. I've been holding at that for a while. But as soon as you creep over that amount than the service fees get hired. I, I don't think that's fair. But whatever we've had a really nice log around here. And if you can't afford to come anymore, thank you for. Thank you for all the time that you did come and now, now you have more time for your knitting. Leg lamp. Doesn't really light up. God damnit. Way, you're leaving need to plug it in look at that show. Seriously? We should put that up on your wherever you sell stuff and get get highest bidder going on that nice. Nice item. Whatever I'm sure one of my guests, and I will pick that as their name tag always happens, and they'd be able to keep it. Sure. She says. How long did it take you to make it? Five. Nobody's ever worked for five months. So they give it to Jeff tape. He's not here that his stool. I just got tired of hearing all the chanting. So it's like you're out. Yeah. Don't do it. Can't wait to tell even when you're not there. The chip breaks out. Okay. What else did I want to talk to you guys about, oh, dugouts dugout to everyone who purchased live from Washington, DC Douglas movies premium episode? I hope that you all enjoyed it. I brought eight prize bag and its share with you. It's contents now the prize bags is infinite CBD on it. Yeah. So that's, that's a cool bag. You can keep for stuff and also a water bottle that says if it CBD I didn't bring you guys any CBD. But I mean, what's the rules on that? I don't even know. It's legal. Okay. Well, next time I'll bring a ship ton of it. Got a Doug knows movies teacher Douglas movie sticker. And then this is special for tonight. I mean, I don't know if the is going to appreciate this or not. But I gotta give you the is gonna get the playbill from all six Broadway shows that I saw this week. Suns closing day beetle juice be around forever. Chicago has been around forever. Burn this close it a week or two Haiti's town. That's that's here to stay. And so, of course, is Tootsie. Beal base of what's that entity? Okay. Did you like Jeff his roommate? Yeah. He is favorite. But anyway, there was lots to like about see and. I don't know why have to defend it because of you. You are so miserable. Rob. Really live up to your name. Also each one of those shows I got I got two copies, I still have one for me to keep. Putting all of these in the bag tonight. And I'd like you to now. Please help me welcoming to the stage give it up. For. You'll see why pause chick? This is a tricky one. Caitlyn carlson. Joe Wagner, Julian Madison and said, hers. Hi, stewart. Hi guide. We've, we've got is I like to say to old Bs in two newbies, old base. I like to introduce you all to the individually starting with the lady all the way on the their end. It's her first time on the show give it up very buddy for Kaelin. Carl. Created the role of Chloe and be more chill right here Broadway. And way before that you've been playing that part for years on this show. First premiered in two thousand fifteen in red Bank, New Jersey at two. Yeah. You know, the show kinda died back then. And it was revived last summer and now are on Broadway until August eleven so. They don't swear. You like when you cover this show. They keep it all amongst the characters. Jio enough bombs, if people, but so much fun. And yeah. Until till August, eleventh and our friend, George Salazar Michael in the bathroom, couldn't make it tonight because he's in the bathroom. No. But it's really it's, it's fun trying to get a Broadway people to do a show on their night off. Because everybody's got so many things that they have to do in that in that one night. And many of them are benefits, you know, singing at intervention of some kind. Yeah, so you've all been through that maybe not. But. Scene theater. Let's say alot to Caitlyn's, right? It's Joel Wagner. Everybody. Benefit. I thought this was the benefit I only go to benefits on my night. All. I might be dying, so we could call it. Dying slowly, but JOL is now a cast member in be more chill for the next seven weeks. Yeah. July night. I think till nice seven. But July, when you'll be there till so go, you know, I mean, go see whenever but that'd be great to see Joel. And you are played three parts in it played like six or seven or eight of park. What are the big ones, one of the ones, I play a dad? Depress dad, always in his underwear. Yes. There's always other where the guy who plays my son is thirty one and I am thirty four so you can do the math there. And then I play a drama, teacher typical and pride week. And then. I play like a dancing monster scary stock, boy, things like that. The dead having aim or is it just moustachioed dad, actually when they put my mustache on the first time because I went on in the middle of the show, because the guy who normally plays a tour calf muscle in the middle of the show. They didn't have my mustache ready yet. And so it was this giant like, monopoly guy mustache that covered my entire mouth and looked like the Laura act. So I would say, I sort of Laura, the name of the dad. Otherwise, Mr. here. Mr here. H. E. R D, right. Wow. He really took it down there. I, I never I've just never heard that name before and that spelling. Yeah. It's creative. Yeah. That big that monster costume. Doesn't it remind you don't you feel like mass singer stole the looks of the, of the boss character from be more chill. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's got a very similar look to it the one pain war on the right there is. Yeah. Just one mouth that you look through fuzzy weird thing. This is a great joke. All the people have seen both the messing are, and be more chill that group of four people are going to love this diagram very getting. No. It's really. It's not a it's diseased the diagram. I mean is right there for the taking now? Yes. Oh, yes. No. Also here. It's a thirty person again to be. Julia mad set. Everybody. Hello. Happy to be here and an old be old, the I guess, actresses don't want that to. That's not a great nickname for you. I feel like I'm only playing old women these days, which is great because then I can just keep playing old women until I'm an old woman, and then you'll ever know fucking eight the goat or Wilford Brindley that ship. Yeah, they were playing old guys in their thirties, and then as sixty eight thirty I'm a mystery to everyone. I'm I'm Maggie Smith. And how old is she really know the Dakota fanning comes in and plays young? And then the goal is, as we discussed playing woman with dementia, a wheelchair on stage who stares and says, nothing which is a lot of plays musicals. These. Musicals. It's only place. That would be really sad for musical. Notebooks coming out. The young people. Trying to read those time. Yeah. A lot of a lot of songs, things very lemme. And the lyrics are often forgotten. Just home through parts. Tap show. It was the. You know that kind of thing. Thank you. Thank you earned earned it. Thank you. Guys go out and see him every Tuesday night, his show hearing. It's monthly they're sweet way. Former weekly comedy shows monthly, and it's at the Chelsea music hall, which tomorrow night tomorrow night, if you guys like Chris gathered, and Dan, Soder myself, how that place holds about two hundred people. That's great. That's tomorrow night, nine pm sounds bigger, though. It sounds like it's a big as this, but it's like a nice basement theatre. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Would call basement theatre a hall. That's what I'm saying. They're really trying to confuse everyone going somewhere. That's fancy. But you just handcuffed and you have to stay there for the night. That's really all that happens. Tell him that. I think they should call it. The attic even really. Yes. Really fuck with that. Chelsea music. Attic. For the addict downstairs. I actually kinda like it. Now on the show before. So, you know, that is very important to bring an item or two or three people. Go crazy for the product. What, what do you have fun stuff for the prize? Yeah. So you say. We'll be the judge. See how much wrapped up, even though it's plastic wrapped in bubble wrap stellar to our pills, and our glass like beer or if you don't. Does not gonna it's not gonna break. And if it's not in the bubble round it would. It's the bubble wrap it won't even chip. It will nothing not a dent. I won't even scratch the paint on the side of the plastic. A couple of other things I brought right? If you like. Literature and the funds Henry Winkler wrote this fictional book called alien alien superstar about alien becomes a movie star. So enjoy Henry winklers book. When did he do that? I don't know what to say sometime after happy days. But before bear, I'd say this is filled lull in there. Musical development, actually alien superstar. I mean, this is why air something, though, right? It's for kids. You mean like why are you asking? Also, this is a free on correct. Prove not four sale. If I'm gonna be honest with you. It has not come out yet. That is like a galley of a book. That's coming out. Oh, it's like three view preview. So I'm not selling it. Handing it out. Yeah I'm not breaking the law. The book I read every word before I picked it up from someone else in. Brought it here. It's amazing. It's so funny about an alien superstar. Grandma wrinkle. Grandma's name is wrinkled. She's already wrinkle, and I had planned in new identity for me knowing that when I got to earth, I was going to have to look human. Sounds like he's already got the sounding human part down. Those thoughts all the Iliad. But right. It's a train played it for the boat. Yeah. Does alien. Now with cler in rate goal. The last now. From Joe for four days. What the name should? Wink, wink, cler clerk, just do a barely anagram. Yeah. Tick that are off. Those are. That's right. It doesn't move it around over by the w who have still have DVD players the four of you still have DVD. What are they gonna get to? Why is on screeners Hannah TV show had you? You get episodes that good show and five through eight. Wait. You don't even get the whole season, one through four and five through eight. And then you gotta just figure out the rest. Wait. No, that sounds like that's one eight that sounds like the whole thing ends date. They might be. Good. All right. That's it. That's all I got. All right. I mean that's pretty good. You want to ask me. Thank you. Thank you stuff. Winkler be proud. What's anything else? Anything plug or we gotta you'll do we'll do plugs at the end Louise. I've seen we'll get to that. Would you with the prize? Julia. Oh, I brought I feel like a good have. Have you seen bathtubs over Broadway yet? Has anyone saying that? Okay. You guys watch on Netflix. Now me it's neat. It's about this guy, he collects all these records of all these old industrial commercial musicals that no one's ever meant to see. This was a huge thing. I guess and I only learned about it this year. But in a strange way, because the commercial musical is alive. And well, this year, I wrote an lay musical. It was. It was one night on Broadway. It was a forty five minute musical about face cream, and it was basically the wiz with base cream. They went to four friends on a journey. You know very original and I had a lot of champagne and took all the swag, I could. And these are the last three items of swag, from that event, ole is for dark circles wrinkles, and puffiness. Very nice tried it myself. An oleh energizing missed which is really nice. Can we all do? You said, okay. Let's all take a shot of that. It's really, really this one, I genuinely, I will get. Get. Likes to run through. Brings back to childhood try it. Yeah. And it smells, nice Jost water. Oh, yeah. There it is. That was a good missed. It's got a nice sense. Right. And energizing you make up in the morning. And bay still extra terms. Chantel mace. It's a really good told on your tongue. Three. Oh. Especially in every way. Audience. They knew what just happy exactly for all your listeners at home. And the last one I have is away. Comming liquid cleanser with you guessed it hung Gerry and water essence. The only water essence. Bring that hanged area. Yeah. No, essence. But go by. What all this essence? Yeah. What is Gary and water as I leave it to you to decide? And so that's it. That's. Do you could you give us a sample lyric from the ole industrial musical? Sure. Free grins. Come. Gary and water. And the chance to find. Sensitive. That's. Really with Gary and water as so you're just gonna sneak it in where you can and rhyme with things around. That's the song writing. That's that. The only thing I can think of with essences Donald Pleasants. Just throw in a Mike Mike Michael Myers. Ref jol. Yeah. I'm very excited about what you brought it. I'm not I'm not being facetious. You know what I'm feeling so energized from that spread right right listeners? Okay. So first prizes, my father's dowry. No, I'm kidding. But I was saying on its pride week. So. The first thing I brought was the scratch off ticket that I discovered in my bag and it is worth two dollars. Now it is like Indiana Jones fragile, so you have to be careful with it because it might fall apart. Disintegrate before the night is over. And the other is the city MD urgent care first aid kit that fits in your pot. Those antiseptic in there be safe. And some bandannas band dance. I saw it coming. Let's say it. But yet, that's my epic contribution to tonight. Thank you so much. You can get like a whole sub now subway. Right. They've lowered the prices. Five dollars. We're coming for you that part's not. What did you cash in two books? You guy the place every day, right? Absolutely. Forgot. All right. Caitlyn katie. So Doug suggested smartly, that I bring them be more chill swag. So. Half of it. I brought a bunch of things half of it as immoral half of it is unrelated. Oh, thank you. So the first thing is the, the bag is part of the prime more. Yeah. Which we all love. We like to fold them up and put them in a small space and forget to bring them to the grocery store. Abi more chills. Promise. Pristine, Shubert organization employers, soupy, copes. Especially ones that are super chill. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like if they're gonna take our straws away, we should just shows all sippy Cup. You can barely. So this is where really goes off the rails, the medically. So this is a cool that I got as a teenager many years ago. But I promise it's pretty pristine. I've just kept it. It's been sitting on a bookshelf in my guest room for a long, long time. This is a gift that my parents gave me when I took AP psychology psycho box. Of psychological games. That you like look at and it's like is it an old lady or a young woman that kind of thing? My ex boyfriend. So there's some fun stuff. You'll have a grand a lot less chill. Psycho box is really Pacific be more chill. Is made in the nineties currently, and finally, Hungary, and essence googly, I'd gladly. All those are. Hate to part with these would keep those if I were, you know, they know be bad at your tipping those because they're amazing. So all of this stuff. Yeah. Someone's going home with all this junk tonight, but just one person and we will determine that in a little bit. But before we do that, like Seth said, I've got questions. Starting with you know what it was. The last movie you saw died today. What was the last year? Life. This would be weird. It was always be my, my maybe. Yeah. Netflix moving flex movie. It's a feature. Oh, yeah. No, I'm not. Steven spielberg. I don't mind that now. I don't mind making movies. Yeah. And I, I hear nothing but good things could you verify Keno Reeves is funny in it. Oh, sorry. Seen it. He is so great that should his character of him playing himself in that way, should be its own film. And you know what you mean when you see, like he plays a version of himself, that is starts normal and goes into a very weird spot. All right. Well, I mean it's already a weird spot to me because it's a romantic comedy and he's not one of the leads. Like it's already a comedy and he's the comedy relief. Yes. Yes. Like that. I can't wait. I can't wait, obviously because I haven't watched it yet but. But I do intend to see it. And that, that helps push me in that direction. Michelle Puto Superfund in it, and in Wong wrote it for themselves. Good that does great with them. That's what I said. It's right one for us. Yeah. We should right? Net. Flex writing a movie. Give us four million dollars. That's how this works. I'll really get the money up front, you have front, they could do whatever you want with it. I thought we'd have to show them a script or. Julia. Do you know last motion picture you saw yesterday? I went to the theater and saw book smart data. And I loved it really enjoyed myself, beanie, doom funny, that, that whole county is. Eleven. So feeder person. Altogether. Yeah. I felt like the movie felt to me like a wackier lady bird because it was still being. And then that Caitlyn Deavere. She's great. And, and. And like my top five of those last day of high school before alive changed forever. I mean, can't hardly wait. It was a big one for me. I really enjoyed early, and I feel like it's up in there. Jonah. I couldn't name five in that John eighty that's the fused super crazy super bad super bad over the last day of school just about it's more. Yeah. It's more than if we don't. Eric by all. It's tough to have a ticking clock. We gotta get this done by this time. So spoke in the bandit back to the future taking all run smart and spellbound. Fame category. County that she's coming home, right? Yeah. They get with enigmatic women just. Oh, mysterious underwritten. Yeah. I was gonna say. Man wrote it. Run or this gentleman ran into the room. There's a problem out on the street with a runaway bride. Somebody got her. Twenty third. We get a run to where she probably has a reason. So let's let her be bright runaway bride. She was crazy. She sneakers on under her ready? What's happening? Yeah. That poster sneakers on man or going to erase or wedding. I don't know. See we'll see which one that turns out to be JOL last move in picture. You saw I don't mean to hit you with these heart balls. No. I don't mind hardball. It's probably. I actually the last movie I did see was always baby. I had food poise this week. And it was bad. So is that what are your poison? But you look really good. Yeah. Food this week. So I did watch that fell. But before that I don't know if you guys have seen on Netflix. She probably have it. There's a series of television shows on a fake channel called slow TV, and it's a Norwegian channel with up to eight to ten hours of just avent's that occur over a long period of time so you can have the TV on at all times. So when I was really sick on Thursday, I watched a direct from sheep to sweater knitting competition that took six hours. It was a six hour film. It was it was, it was sort of film, but it was like a documentary, but there were interviews and it was a documentary basically watching a sheep be Sean, spun into thread, and knitted by Norwegian women, wills chatting and finished a sweater in that time. Do you get by this wetter at the end? I think what did they learn? Actually, I think it's a competition. I think one of them wins. But yeah, that was the last besides always knew maybe maybe that was the last thing. I watched it was still mic and Kiana raves surprise entrances. The sheep was so good. Hello, TV. There's a lot of options but it's a real network. You're saying. That sounds like channel. I'm on. Yeah. Four twenty channel on Pluto TV. Katie. So my real answer is Roman Michele's high school reunion. I love that in, but I'm gonna tell you, it was a pallet cleanser, to vox looks that was gonna be the last movie I watched before this, 'cause I knew I had to have one in mind, I was like that's fun weird one to say it fucked me up. And I had watched Roby and Michelle size. Seen it. Yeah. It's okay. So if you haven't seen vox Lux, it's if lady Gaga happened because of a school shooting. Oh, so real lights. Very unpretentious, the credits roll backwards at during the beginning of it's like. Yeah. That movies part of a series of films. Maybe by the same filmmaker that have the word. I mean he made vox in it or something. But whose whose actor in it. Well, Natalie Portman is the Gaga danley Portman Brady Corbett is the director writer, sort of young. So maybe writing for radio. He made that name. He made that up. It's John J college. And John Corbett. Poster next to each other gave him his name. Totally totally Kaiser says eight that shit. I get what you're doing. I just saw that another movie recently, where somebody oh Elton John decides himself. I'll John because there's a picture, John Lennon on the wall. Okay. If you say so. Thing in any film or TV show, the panic of a bar speaker, I'm bar speaker. Every time this happens cracks me, a real name. Doubtfire. That's happened the same way. Bye. That on the vacuum or something. Like police Doubtfire was cars, whatever, and he's like, oh. The. But that Trump was, period, really in Wayne's world two, which is a low key wonderful movie -solutely. Absolutely. Stop who's going to be there. Aerosmith old man, Fasching kayak out of a log rip Taylor. That's true. Yeah. Well, you shows up everywhere. You don't have to say his name three times. No just one. All right. Everybody answered that while we got through that, that. That worked out pretty good. Yeah. A lot. Talk Taylor has gone. Ordered new drinks. There's no way staff to speak of, but they just might magically appear. I'm having a Kosova Tito's and soda, or Sorocca or whatever the hill, I'll have a Tito's in Cran, because I'm trying to get rid of this UT. I'll do. Titas soda. Another Doug special. We're all doing that Joel. I'll do the t doesn't splash. Just big Punch Bowl of Titas and soda. I'll do Tito's and Cran because I'm trying to get rid of sets. Spread that around. Spread. Read my UTI around. Gross. Just dance where utility. Got a bonus question. Yeah. This one you don't you're not ready for it. I'm not ready for come out. He's going flying at you. But since I wanted to make this night celebration of musicals what's your favorite movie musical, Seth her gone? Oh my God, I have many I one, I thought of is what popped into your head screwed the Finney musical that won. It's crazy. Weird trippy whereas version of a Christmas, Carol musical songs in that one. Thank you. Just the nicest thing anyone's ever done full me, and they didn't do shit for him when he say that song, I loved that movie. We watched growing isn't that great? It's. Course. It's every song is weird. That's excellent shy rightish time when they the prisoner. So everything is trippy. Your. Do you have a favorite? Julia. Only now on the Christmas train. So I'm only thinking of muppet Christmas. Carol. Favorite? But specifically the one that has the love is gone. Because they cut it, they cut it because it was too sad got a boo come on the loves cone. It's so sad. There's more than one version of this movie out there so much Christmas Carol in its entirety. Fantastic. They did a new cut where Michael Cain and what's her name? Woman that he's in love with Scrooge. They sing this heartbreaking song on a bridge where she's like I'm leaving you. They sing. The love is gone, and he cries and they were like it's too sad for a kids movie. So they cut it in the future ones, but that song as dope. So cut, isn't it with close here, something I don't think so. I don't wait. Maybe I don't think it's her. Do you think Sunday? No, I don't know movie though, it's an old lady. Michael caine. Right. It is Michael. Young woman because he's being young Scrooge in the past Christmas Carol. He's still him play by younger, dude. He is. But then he, he pushes the younger to the side, and stands behind the young woman. Love. And maybe that's why maybe that's why they cut it was creepy. Looking. We're more in bars. Ahead. Sounds like forgot the full question when I asked you. Let's go back to you. Okay. What's your favorite musical, and perform? Some of it for us. We go. Christmas present. That's all I know. Who is that gones? Oh, it was gone. Scrooge. He does a song which about what it's like Jacob Marlee southern Waldorf barley and Marley. And they're like, why was that was that? More than watching people. It's got bits for days. Guns, though, is crash. It. No guns, Charles Dickens tickets Kermit is crabs. Tiggy is. Wife is Bunsen honeydew the ghost of Christmas future because he's scientist. Oh, he money for the charity thing, right? Yeah. I guess they have to work them all in there somewhere. One of the best thing about that film is how every actor takes as earnestly as possible. Yeah, it's Michael Caines best row. It really not exceed performance in this film. Hey, thanks. Good. Thank you. That's the cranberries around. Yeah, yeah. The cranberry on the perfect day. Thank you. I'll see you guys on December first Gramercy theatre. Plug throw that in their case they missed it the first time case anybody's just tuning in. I love that gag. Do they ask you Joel already your favorite? No, there's so many, but the first one that came into my mind and I don't know if this totally counts. Correct me but because I'm a huge musical fan, obviously. But man that original willy Wonka is just sad. Hundred. Now perform some of it. Wanting to face. I want to being the. Whatever that feast of being that. So I went to be went to being fees. Twelve I always thought she was saying, big feasts no fees. Ep being see when you're so rich. I can't think of anything normal. Few people eat. Beans. That's why favorite line and the entire show. Thinking of it. I want to be. Yes, she's really like. Let's going to be able to see that moment that I just acted out for you. Think about. Being in the corner. Dr. I saw you seeing the beans like thank you. That's really helps me. Wow. Do you work? This so much good stuff. Candy. Yes. Yeah. Mouth move so much. That's what he said. It's supposed to be Christmas. I think it just turned out to be because everybody just got on a roll there. But, you know, it's true, though, that I bet you most musicals have a sequence Christmas. Yeah. Happens a lot musicals a good time for the another ticking clock. Oh, Christmas is coming. Chris just happen. Are we going to solve this by act, one you're doing Christmas ones than the tinsel tones win? Starring Tia Lowry of tea to Mira fame and Tori spelling. Check it out. It will take too long talk about it. Just go the tinsel tones. Where competition at the mall untorn smelling heads up one group and Tia has the other. Wow. Wow. How what happens a lot of cracked out Christmas arrangements? Let's switch places. I can't tell you. This is my plug, by the way, tinsel tones. Can you give us a taste of it? Absolutely not. It's that special special. You got to experience it you guys. I, I wouldn't know where to look for that, maybe it's on YouTube, probably know, sure it's Google -able, Tori. Spelling. Fine us work. She wouldn't. She wouldn't vary that. You saying she stepped over that, low bar, that was on the ground. Actually a soccer field painted on the grass to walked over saying there's a twelve days of Christmas, that's like four times as fast is like anyone do anything. So it's worth watching. They sing twelve. Of course. Because I get impatient with that part. I liked that part to be sped, always lead to hard into five golden rings, just type it out ready where we have to your times. Well. Five golden rings is like that's the one every wants to be that wonder speed through the others, but you get a real so and. Through Izard people running in from the other. So mortgage, even bother finishing it. It takes forever forever. Chan. Next year. We're gonna finish it. Katie. Do you have a really answer is little shop of horrors? Oh, sure choice. I mean it's just it's just so brilliant and great. And but my Crispus answer. Is the feature length TV special pee-wee's Christmas special? Good choice. To do some of it. There's like Katie laying like drunkenly running around, remember what she's thinking, but she's like making out with globe. Like laughing maniacally, and then like Grady Jones comes out a robot and things like little drummer, boy, or something, I wouldn't deign to do impressions of these people. They told me up. Katie Lang grace, Joe. Julia. That's how she she was statue is literal statue during grades. Them doing it. I don't know. I can't those three ladies guitars like walking in a winter wonderland like the three ladies in white in guitars, and Little Richard. I remember. From? A great ghost when he's on. Instead all this impression of Terry when any of the time he was good. He's very supportive guy is good. Good Terry impression. I mean now that we're into the impressions. I wanna keep going who's got an impression that people never here. One south, that's unusual do Benjamin Harrison his fucking kills it. He was like fourteenth president and do him doing what he's what's that. Like a CBS. Trying to do the chip card. It doesn't understand it. About. I don't understand what we had to get new cards with chips, and when the old car works really well, and now I gotta sit here and put it in. Are you doing the impression it's happening now? That was it kind of sound like you're saying what he would say, and that's what you weren't doing Benjamin Harrison. It's a little high like what's up with this? This is kind of weird, a high pitch voice area where these prime members team that's brilliant. Okay. Yeah. That's it. That's all you got. He does speech. Talk about. Julia. I've been doing a lot of Elizabeth Warren recently, and I feel like I like to sing as her more than like to speak, so. Okay, I'll go into well, folks, here we are Doug loves movies. I'd like to sing a little song for my favorite musical. This is from Anne may be full row. Baby real nearby. He's sitting play in. Sit and straighten his. They do. She just got my vote. That's right. Go on American idol. Jodi, any fun ones. Terrible. Depressants singing impression, I've been singing. I don't have a singing. I've been practicing my tasha Leone. Oh love it hard. That's that's bad. I hadn't really fucking going, you know what I'm saying, like fucking shit, Kakharov sucks. Kako. I'm not really what do I need a vocal impression? This is I'm tanking. I don't know like blink one to none in on on on on on. On. Yes. Syllable shift that does it. What you do. Lord one. That's so good Lord. Lord saying corn. Young female vocalists have signed some kind of blood treaty to like name every vowel when they say any Vall. The Iowa is sometimes. They put Global's on the beginnings of words that don't have them. Your area. Your hair's. Good. Well, let's skip over me real quick. Julia, you need to set up that impression with this is Lord at the cafeteria. The tweets Keady court. Because then they will hurt core normal ones lay into that corn. Yeah. Yeah. There's four ours. In the way she spells. Hey Lord was what's your favorite band that plays a bag? The road. Lourdes, what's your favorite natty Imbruglia song? What is your boyfriend watch? When you're not at home. Grace and Franky. Concludes first impressions. Katie. Do you have one now at rather just kill myself? I used to do Katie Holmes. Then I'll Lyle. That's slow. Impressive anymore. She needs to get out there. More. She's like people forgetting about her contractually not allowed. She came to be more chill. See dead. But that was a special occasion and Surrey came with a friend on top. Deep, Joe boy that wasn't Oklahoma. Exclamation point. Joe? Yeah. Yeah. Clothing. Okay. Just not that rousing. It's just okay Oklahoma. So, so. All right. So. I'm gonna have a great really good time here. You guys all did mazing impressions. And but now we're gonna move we're moving away from the talent portion. And. People ahead of me. Oh, these are so games. Ladies and gentlemen. 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And it's got riffraff your Franken furhter Jeff as Madeira. Trey gallon, his Columbia. Which I should give this to trick. No one would ever imagine him Columbia ever. In a millionaire, I often call him little trae trade said of little great yet. The got the font. Exactly. Right. You really nailed it. Good job. Larry breast. And look who got like lamb lamb Katie, Katie miss story. This did you? Did you hit this fully knit leg? Lamp with five months lantern lights inside of it a functional lamp, I'm blown away and you can watch her knitted on Netflix on slow TV for six. Our go back. You wanna really incredible? Keep that Julia. Because she says you can have it. Wait. I can have it. Well, I'm hoping to all hope to do well enough that you can win. But maybe I just lose on purpose now. And then I just try to win if I win I'm gonna keep it. If you lose lose going to throw it. That's gonna be at housing works tomorrow. This is really, really beautiful. Joel, who you play it for? Hey, I got cloudy. Mike balls. Cloudy with a chance of Mike ball, the chance of Mike walls, based on first of all based on the children's book, which you need to read, I because the illustrations are both haunting and specific. The film actually really good. I haven't I haven't seen cloudy with a chance to. But the first one is surprising move funny. Very funny. Moving like most good films. Julia. I want to have a Pixar experience. So, yeah, I got some Mike and Mike mega mixes here great. That's, that's what I need my candies mega mix. I just wait for the beat to drop whenever I eat candy. That's why you don't stop. I wait for my blood sugar to drop till I can't. What do you got there? Katie, joe. What you hold my medication. Again. So this is Ken tartly wait. Which is one of my favorite formative, teen. Movie is and you can see here Doug, you are Ethan Embry. Okay. To burrito cards affixed to the top corner, how much those good for you have Reto. Can't I guess that's your? Each damn. You got ten dollars then only spent two bucks on each. Nothing. And way who's who's a friend of yours might be him. That's shit. Guys are so cute. Oh, good for you. Right on in the movie now. Is that? On the poster. Yeah. Lauren Ambrose Ambrose. That's. Of course, played allies Doolittle. Yeah. Recent production. Good omen, the name of the actors in the movie, the girls locked in the bathroom with Seth grain. And they have to lose their role. Apparently, she can wait. Here's your medicine. All right. So those are the folks, you'll be playing on behalf of the evening. I've got a few games here for us to play and whoever prevails at the end when the all the prizes for that person. And then Julia will go home with lamp. Very exciting stakes prediction. Think you'll met him backstage. I'm very excited about especial bring out here right now because we're gonna play a little game called doing lines with Dale Dale Cheesman is here. Microphone, right there behind the speaker there up front and should be hot. Ready to go? Listen to you. Doug, I can sing too. So intimidated. Sharp. Rehearsed this one line thirty times back there for hours? So what's going to happen here? And thank you for being here Dale, how's it going? It's going great. Good. What we cover that. It's do you have anything to plug anything coming up people should? Yeah. Real hot calendar in January twenty twenty. In Houston, Texas with trae Gallia and check it out. Tickets are not on sale for months. Mark your calendars, just right. Where DALE'S come and I'll get at you all individually. And you're, of course, your Twitter handle is what Deo Cheesman four. We all know it, we love it. We follow great. Yeah. Everybody here. Everybody here already falls, you just for the listener, so they can check you out thought it was cheese may like a superhero, but in many ways it is. Many ways. Two ways people point when they see me and kids, laugh. Dale cheese been is going to sail line from a motion picture. And I asked him to make a musical to fit the theme tonight. And then all of you just use your Mark phones. Guess as often as you like until somebody gets it, right. And I don't know what deals gonna do? So. I'll let you know if I think I know the answer. No audience answers. Of course, this is serious game here ready. Dale. What's that thing where like you take a couple of steps? Is this a line from just wanted this Bronco, but I do that every night of the show. And I asked myself that question while I do it to step close to the line. Stage. I still leap into also stepping into the unknown. Right. Thank you. All right. Guy, what techniques worked out just gonna get into it. See this is what I love about this city matter, who you are, what you are you got to want it bad enough and work with what you got. Lolly and. We can just guess what it is. I think I know what you say, whenever guys and dolls, dammit fuck. Doesn't matter. Any other guesses because he's got other lines from the same film. I imagine he would be weird. That's it. Thanks for coming Dale. We'll never know. Should've picked a better one. All right. Specter's here. Quick break hair, you blow on this put this back together. I was about to say west side story, but then he said braider hair, and I don't remember that seeing say it against slow something about it. Inspector. It's not clear here. The inspectors here, quick braider hair play with this blow on this put this back together. And that's. Okay. Warbucks line tell you which one it is. Girl bedding thing, what's her name Will Smith. Andy is when you're talking about. Cameron plays. Cavern D, as she finally gets to come out this me. Yeah. We'll be bad teacher Cameron the plays. Cameron Diaz in Cameron Diaz. The movie. I like that. I would agree very much. She's got a thing going. But that was from, what was that in the eighties when that anti came out that you were quoting twenty fourteen this is. This is. Doing any. Lanny? Oh, you know what I guess? Wrong wrong wrong. We didn't know what you want thinking. He didn't have to say that just kidding. I did think bland thinking. Because I sounds like some shit. The Jamie Foxx prices. Right. That is correct. But I'm gonna be original. I didn't remember there was a second Anne. Yeah. I'm gonna be honest, my taste of musicals. It's what's known as terrible. So I googled it in any begins with an A. Right. So it was like the top of the list. But then when you search musicals all they got are the songs they don't show them just talking. So this took some work to get that bad. Book of a musical a real challenge to Wade through it's all songs. If the unsung hero of musical. Yeah. A show with excellent score, and it sucks to sit through, and that shit won't last. It just won't. The true name three. Get in trouble shows that have no no, no. No books score. Book through though, badly written. Our profession. We shouldn't. That sideshow amazing scored super juicy. But the book, is it never works barely. We roll along never works, but the scores excellent. Anyway, now you're talking plays and books with Boettcher. Both are just out of my totally talking, Harry Potter. Then both are in my repertoire. Thank you so much. Dale. That was amazing. All right. Go very much. That was one. That's it. All right. Joel won that game. Joe those cloudy for long. K now let's all review DALE'S acting. I thought you know most people his level don't know what to do with their hands, but he was really using his hands. A lot. Almost like he was on stage. Yeah. I think guiding the hands is an important choice. There was like Zach was happy. All right. Thanks dale. This next game is called whose tagline is it anyway. Who start with Joel? I'm going to say tagline from motion picture. We've already established that these movies have music in them and. We're all about here today. Mostly. Also, the tagline you get one guest, Joel, if you can't guess it will move to Katie said, I stretch got a nice stretch joy. Stretch you're going to need every fiber for this. Hashtag. Fiber one. Joel. What are the tagline he just landed the gig of his life, fifth grade? And this has music. It's a mood is musical. Movie. He just landed the best gig of his life. The language of origin. Please. Klis. She just landed a gig of his life, he or she he thank you. I mean sorry now we should say they I'm getting nineteen. He just landed the gig of his life, fifth grade. Fuck. So this is Katie. Do you think you think I do? Yeah. So this is I wonder if it's an older gentleman who is is coming into fifth grade, or if it is a kid, who's fifth grade like Billy Madison situation, or if it's like he is a young person really come into it that fifth grade. They're fucking stalling. Is there a time limit here? Yes, you're out. I'm out obviously. How much time do I have? No, that's fine. I give up. We'll come back to you on the next one. It's, it's not really a big deal. Thank you. One, I might be might be totally off base, because it's not a musical per se. But it's a movie with music is at school of rock is correct. Why? Purse seen this question was formulated four you that all? That all. School over. And you're welcome to totally delete that part out of this. I was in school of rock Broadway for two and a half years. But that's not something different tagline. Tag live. Well, here's your insurance. Some painted on the side of the building. Right. Something that I hear. There's no more rules or something like that. Ironically school of rock, did its first off Broadway. Tryout Indus theater literally here. Wait, ask it again. Pretend you don't know it for like four seconds. He just landed the gig of his life, fifth grade cloudy with a chance of my calls. School of rock. That's right. That's how it should. That's how it should have gone. All right. Seth is up next. So, yeah. A miracle Seth. A miracle of a movie musical. Say it again. A miracle of a movie musical. Seth is out. I wouldn't say I'm out, I would say. Married. Love air quotes. They heard it in the voice on that. Let's go to Julia. Can I guess? Okay, so whiz. No. Okay. Julia. The only thing that's in my head is not. I keep thinking of Michael John Travolta. And then I just went on this whole thing would not be a great musical and banners. I don't have. Was Michael Johns old as an angel bright. That's not a movie musical. I really wasted my extra seconds to prepare. I have nothing. What do you think Joel? My first instinct was fiddler on the roof because wonder wonder miracle of miracles superman. It was like. Of course it must be glitter. With Mariah Carey, that's not either. I can feel that from you right now. I mean, I don't think anybody's calling glitter miracle. Unlikely event. Maybe but not America we all survived it. Yeah. So. That's a tough one. Katie. I think I know what I don't. I can't remember what movie it is. I can't think of the name of it, which is a bad situation. It's like the one with gentle Maloney. She's like in Catholic school like saved saved. There's no goal. About god. That's true. They made it into a musical later, 'cause I remember, I sure in Chicago, maybe thinking about not saved does it save. Is it leap of faith something about like? It's in that realm sister act. Sister. Okay, raise your hand. When I say this title in you or in production of God's spell. Oh, jesus. They were in your in God's Bill, let early, God spell, I was. That's the whole point of this game. Joel's sneak them by. You don't think it's so funny. Yeah. Mirrors. We're back to. Jol and Joel gets this one, and I think you're gonna get it Joel. The years most. Delicious romantic comedy. This is not a musical. I should say. Fuck that. Not a musical. Did you think it was when you looked at the movies? But did you think it was? No, okay. Do you wish it was kind of, I liked the movie very much? And then I my biggest problem with the Broadway version of it was that. Wasn't as good as the movie to me. But you know is the Broadway. Okay. That's where I screwed up waitress. Correct. That's right. Right. Yeah. Grace and Franky. He originated waitress. Are we going Caitlyn's? Okay. What movie that later got turned into musical. On Broadway had the tagline you will believe. Well, it's not deer of handsome. 'cause that's you will be found. You will be if okay, what do people believe in Santa? You will. Until you believe. One believe move. Don't say we gotta go to Seth. Is it an older music? Can you give me they won't help? I don't know. Okay. The movie is not a musical per se. But the but the Broadway version, yes. Yeah. Couple ideas. Is it wicked? What about Santa about very, little very little Santan in wicked very little, but it should have made it more. Julia. You will believe that's so general really just so generally forceful, but forceful, you'll believe I fuck. The color purple. I love when you get it wrong. The look ducks face kills me every time it's like disapproving. Dad doesn't know why he's still your father. Exactly. Just thinking about. Tagline that would be color purple. Believe. But. Like who's, let's after that, what's after the who's the Maga wearing. What's your guess JOL? Well, I doubting it now, but I was gonna say book of Mormon. Right, movie movie, your by Lovie. They do say, I believe a lot in that show. It looks like Kayla wants to guess again deal that allowed is that part of the odor? So they're going to get a right. I should finding Neverland does. Jesus Christ star. Julia believe. Hair? Cats all though. There are no more musicals, we'd end what do you believe? In genie's. Not genie's. It's a musical on Broadway, but not as Phil Broadway. Now again. Big. You won't believe. Through. Huddle something is not real. I love that these to be believed together to try to work it out. What some sort of fantasy what was that movie that wasn't goes? Who said goes? What if that how inspiration the many things I literally thought the Hoddle would produce you knew it was a musical. That's another great score. Bad book. We're gonna everyone is like. Listen to also had lots of like magic stuff in like facts. There were magical, right? Yeah. Like where, you know, disappear, appear goes, yes. People created mind kind of some of the actors haven't yet been found. That's true dare. I believe you will believe. Doing guys do one more game. What's the score? Score is the Caitlyn is the best. Damn it just. It's only temporary just means she gets to go first and this next game. Okay. Great. It kind of is. But you're right. It's not. And then. You go I in this game, and then we'll go to Joel Julius go in that order. But. I'm not gonna play along smell the answers written right here. Tonight. I like to do this when I'm in New York especially, but in general, I love this game. Let's play around of Bennington. That's the. I saw our friend, Ron Bennington today. His show and he says, Hello to everybody and it's a box office game. So what happens? Caitlyn and JOL is I will name actor actress. And then you have to try to guess you just get to guess one title of their films that you think finished in their top three movies of all time according to box office. Mojo after ingesting for inflation. Love. Yeah. So it's so the idea is a lot of all name, somebody just trying to think of their biggest movie, that's basically the way you want to go there. And if you get anything in the top three, then you score some points all added up and we'll declare winner. We'll get back out into the hot streets. Yeah. Hot steamy steering. Caitlyn the films of the great Julie Andrews. The sound of music, okay, she's going with the sound of music. What do you think Joel? What would you like to select of the films of Julianne Andrews? Mary poppins. Julia. Princess diaries. Victor victoria. Everyone saw it paid buddy for it. Yeah. No other way to see it at the right? You just have to search for slow TV and then hop. Coming in number three for Julia. Andrus. Shrek two. Shrek Shrek, three are the other ones wreck. Three. For. Keep coming before times. I'm looking forward to four Shrek five goes. That could be a good purple rain, man. Okay. Coming number two, marry PA. Two boys for JOL. He's the board. And then, of course, coming number one, the hills are alive. Sound? I did work out. Can't just say what she said you care. You don't want to say that ever professional comedian. I find myself. All right. So what were you each round on this one as we rotate? So everybody gets a chance to go first, so Joel your first up on this next round, the films of Emily blunt. Of that is an excellent category. Wow, I'm gonna go ahead and start with Delaware's Prada. Okay. That's come into Broadway. I hear yet John, our dear friends. Shane it's in the music. I think I've found maranda priestly. I'll talk to you about it after. I agree with me ju I'm excited to hear your. Somebody famous. But I think this lady found be great. Where'd you find her? She was passed out on six. But she really there was something about or was really like. Me. You see ready to lash out at people? Okay. So. Who said what Joel said devils, proud of what's yours. Julia. Films of ever, Emily. Quiet place did well. Maybe I don't usually. Evonne. Seth. Sheth. Sniff. It's gotta be a girl on a train. That's the right title. Katie. Side from guerrilla train. That was a different movie. Everyone. Earlier in her career. Dunston checks and. I'm gonna I think you guys probably nailed it. But I'm gonna go with edge of tomorrow. Smart. I repeat I have an alternate guest. If gas of mine doesn't work out. Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll see how they all work out. Coming in at number three. Devore's prada. Alternate gas is Joel more point. What was your other guests? Mary Poppins return, so. Right. Right. Your number two firmly blunt is Mary, Poppins returns and. Number one is a quiet. That. Quiet place so much. In the movie, I was gonna call it don't say a word which is a different movie with Brittany Murphy. Yeah. I don't wanna live in. Live in the world of a quiet place where you just can't have yacht race. Because the starter horn just everyone killed. Hey lord. What did he say about a starter? What how? God. Julie first round a three way tie. Seth. Yeah. With. Everybody else. Door to go. But. Got Julia gets the start in the films of share. God, so many. Honestly. Mama mia. Here we go again. Maybe those things do. Well. This is my president of share in that movie. Girl. All right. Boone struck said, she said. Caitlyn. Mermaids. Interesting. That's a really small golf clap for that. Aids. Quite does that cranberry juice, clear golf club. Joel. She wasn't in splash. She was. I want you to name. Is not in Stuart little. I'm going to listen I can't remember right now which makes me so e because I saw the musical. And it said all of those movies. I'm gonna have to go ahead and say burlap just because it's helped my had. Yeah, that's fine shares not in a super lot of movies. But coming in at number three, was, of course mama Mia. Here we go again. Yeah. Number two, the witches of Eastwick. Also musical. Do that strange musical. Valid cold lose. Loose ends. Everyone's favorite bow. Their hair. Split ends what it's about. Pry loose. Tashnag loose. But what have you about to make like, forget it? What have you? Trying to say. You have to say. Number one. I'll slip that thing in later. I was weird. One is moved. Time. Julie's ahead with four points ahead, leg lamp is mine. That's on both. So how many points there you got three? Yes. Yes. That you're gonna all three. Has three. Julia has four and I do have a tiebreaker. If this next round doesn't settle. And you get to go. First time south buck. Yeah. Tear it up. Tear it up blow it. No offense. Larry. The film's of Colin. Firth. The body of work extensive been in some stuff, Bridget. Jones diary. I mean, that's super giant. Caitlyn. What is the algorithm for boxoffice Mo-jo? Are they basing it on the actual actors like is it like IMDB like he's the biggest star of this move? You're like that's gross to the most. The most. Gross. But after the musical ghost calling I been around long enough, you have to worry that much about inflation adjustment, but can be quite shocking. Sometimes how different the results are when you. This is the third the last question of this game. So am I be surprise shit? But I'm gonna go with love. Actually. Not the big star the movie, I'm giving away Mr.. Agitates. What do you think Joel? I'm gonna go with Paddington to. Fantastic. The only movie so. The only movie I'll movies these two exist at the beginning of batting into. The movie yesterday where none of us. Remember any other movie except? Nobody even remembers Paddington one. It's just all into troll too. Fuck you, Nicole Kidman. Because she was the villain in the first one. Okay. That's your answer. Just double checking. Yeah. All right. Who's who's left still Julia? I'm putting all my chips on mama Mia. I'm gonna do it again. I'm going to see if it all strike. Give me some luck twice that no one ever. On mama Mia except Abba, a high roller. That's true. Gotta get it. Three Mary Poppins returns. To say number two Shakespeare in love. Goes no. And the number one movie in Collin, I feel Margaret fee and closing out. Wonderful addition of Doug loves musicals. Mama. Madison. Two. Sees. All four Katie was Colin Firth, in Paddington to think. I think he was with. You just want to talk about Paddington to heal was in Paddington bear Riley, Hugh Grant, and Bridget Jones's diary. I think you're Frayne. I think I meant to say Mary Poppins returns. Those are very different movie. Are they? Googly eyes. Look, good anyway. But see padding too. Okay. Let's speed around really quick. All right. Great. Yeah. Just because I got rid play. It is interesting to me. So each of you say in any order, can I still? No, no, no. The prizes have been to two zero Freeman. On Twitter if you wanted to you something if you want, if you need something needed fast. You have five months to wait for it. She's year girl. All right. Hand badge. It's. I mean, what are you gonna do with Julia? Are you going to give it to somebody for Christmas? I mean we're talking center. Again, at work. It's beautiful. Yeah. The light works. Plug it in. I love I love Christmas stuff. Maybe it'll be year round. Maybe it'll be for Christmas holiday time. Don't tell us though. It's just in a closet eleven months of the year. All right. Just for fun. First one, you could think of the things in her top three just yell it out. And we'll gather up got everybody said we'll see who did best the films of Meryl Streep. Mommy. It's word. What else? What else? Which is in movies shouting movies that up. So for choice. Out of Africa. Okay. So we've. Was this the boss? I've been friends. Says, says, Bobby. What also Mary Poppins returns? Ourself choice. Tation just for inflation from the nineties. Yeah I'm sure death becomes her. All right. Let's see what have you. Coming in at number thirteen. Mama mia. Here we go. Again, number ten if I may skip a few into the woods. Yes, then we go all the way up to number six four mentioned devil. Where's prod? Yes. Number five, Mary, pop returns, little, more popular than Sophie's choice. Apparently. But here's where this game is so fun coming in at number four, mama Mia. Yeah. Don't get so proud of yourself because that's leaves three more movies that deer hunter. Number one Kramer versus Kramer number that is that big Joe's for inflation, maybe do some bad math and they came up with cravers scream. But her number two movies out of Africa. Where Haile is at app. That patient even. Know how deep aware and I mean, I'm sure. Film. I'm sure it did better than iron. We'd but. Yes, she's in a movie called. All right. What about heartburn? Woman. Movie. See Meryl Streep believes in having getting a lot of. In your titles said, hers, disa- plugs. Real quick. Oh. Promote yourself boy band. The feature I did has been out for a month or so you can see it online. It's about a boy bands, too old to be doing it. It's very funny film, you can see it on. I tunes Amazon or Google or ever XBox forever. UCF AM tomorrow night, come catches down at the Chelsea music attic, four zero seven west fifteenth. Nice. Well, that's really close to friend of mine. Open a restaurant right there. Have you noticed law who bona? Yes. Right there. It's so good. I there tonight. Is what you get a. Fancy little corn fritters peppers are amazed. You. What? What kind of fritters were they? Jillian, madison. What do you have to plug just setting it home doing Lord with? Couple months ago to live out there for audible. It'll be on there and a couple of months. And more, general things that have no dates or locations. So I'm at Julian at on the. Won t for summer is in the ELD handle, I don't know why I did that we match just one. Yeah. Julia did it so many years ago. I you know. We all have that. What are you gonna do? You've got a fun new video up where you do impressions. Yes, I will put it up soon. Yes. I it's where I found my, my Elizabeth, and I got Lord in there. So. Joel. In be more chill till July knife. Yeah. Yeah, costumes. What's your Twitter thing? I've also got. I've got a weird Instagram called Joel cappella, please. P p whatever Joe cappella like cappella and I just do a bunch of weird acapella videos about songs I make up about life in and you'll get a kick out of it hope launched them every day. That. And then I new single I wrote with my band came out, it's pride and it's called get into ellipses Queen miss Natalie and it's a raunchy fucking hilarious. Disco jam by you'll laugh, and there's a video to thanks guys had a great time. Thanks for having me. You. Caitlyn carlson. Come see be more chill August until August eleven. Joel is playing his role for sure until July ninth. But he's still a swing until forever with the show. So he might be there. Anytime. The guy gets like food poisoning, diarrhea, whatever. Come see Joel be the guy who has diarrhea, and it's a great funny shows come at the lysine theater every through Sunday. 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Smash The Wellness Industry Ft. Jessica Knoll

Diet Starts Tomorrow

43:21 min | 1 year ago

Smash The Wellness Industry Ft. Jessica Knoll

"Hey, guys, just wanted to remind you that we have our first live show ever. The tickets are on sale on July thirty first at the Gramercy theatre in New York City. The tickets are on sale, go to batches dot co slash GS t live. We were planning the show right now. It's going to be so good. We're going to get guests. Previous guests from from the podcast. We're gonna play games there's going to be maybe some cake. It's really gonna be incredible. So go buy your tickets now before they're sold out batches dot co slash DSP. Live. Welcome back to die starts smile on Sammy. I'm lean and today, we are joined by a really awesome guests via phone bestselling author of the books, luckiest girl alive and favorite sister, and now author of really awesome New York Times piece that just came out last week called smash the wellness industry. Just going all welcome. Thank you for having me. Things are taking the time. So. We wanted to talk to you about the articles since obviously affected so many people. So I guess just like let's start with what inspired you to write this now. Well, I've been working on kind of this disordered relationship with food and my body for about two years. Now, seeing this intuitive eating dietitian, who really specializes in eating disorders just ordered eating disorder kind of you know just imaging that we all have about ourselves and it and it's been completely eye opening. But it's so much to process that it's taken me two years to feel like I had something cohesive to say about the experience and what I've learned and what I would like to, you know, share with people, so, yeah, it's, you know, it's like a lifetime, like kind of. Trying to unravel a lifetime of poor messaging, and even two years. I feel like I've only scratched the surface of doing that. But I felt that I did it enough that I finally had something like as a writer, you know, you're, you're always looking around, you're always observing, you're always thinking about what it is. You wanna say and it really took two years to, to come up with this, you know, the, the kind of heart of this piece, what was the it was the catalyst, you're moving from New York. Tele or what just kind of drove you to go see this therapist, or to start even thinking about the fact that you have or had experience with disordered eating? Yeah. So it the it was my move to LA, which was two and a half years ago. So I was in LA for about six months before I reached out for help, and I really underestimated. How stressful that move would be? And you know they're. There's I've heard it said before, I'm not the one who said this. But after death and divorce they say moving is supposed to be the most stressful thing you can go through. And I really felt that but, you know, when you're in the midst of something really stressful almost don't recognize how bad it is until you're out of it, like, now I can look back and be like, whoa, I was really struggling, and it was hard for me to recognize that in the moment, and I was also doing this thing. So the dietitian who treats me, her name's Elise rash? And so she, she wrote the book intuitive eating which has been, I mean, I think it's in it's like nineteen addition like it was originally published in nineteen ninety four like it's a philosophy that's been around for a long time. But they talk about in the book, there's this last supper, metality meta. Lot of people who like operate under a dieting, mindset. Find themselves butting up against which is like it's the it's Bridget Jones. Like I should just eat all the chocolate tonight because I'm going to start a new tomorrow. And I I've always kind of operated with that, last supper mindset, but more in, like, I was able to kinda like, hold off on these binges for more for longer periods of time. Once I moved it was like every day, it was that last supper mentality where I just couldn't stop eating because I was so stressed out, and I was just putting more pressure on myself like we'll just do it today. And then you'll you know you'll get back to the, the grind tomorrow. And then I just I could never get back to the grind because moving was just so so stressful after a couple of months of this, I just I finally was able to recognize that I needed help, and I and I asked for it yet. So actually that whole like last upper mindset is. Really the inspiration behind what we why we called this podcast starts Morrow because that was something that we experienced our whole lives literally all the time. And it's not it's that it feels like it always hits on Monday like that's kind of the traditional like you go wild on the weekend. And then you're like I'm gonna be good on Monday. And, and that's where I was for many, many years. But then when I moved it was like almost every day felt like I was treating everyday the way used to treat a Sunday. And just I couldn't it was just the most unpleasant feeling. And I couldn't take it anymore. So I, I think we both read both of your books and in the in the favorite sister. You wrote about one of the characters like sneak into the pan and make like weird concoctions out of food, and to be honest with you. I also do that. And that was the first time that you like named that as a as an actual disorder, and like explain that, that was a I mean it's kind of obvious. I guess it's a function of an eating disorder. But it really that was like pretty eye opening for me just as a reader reading. A character in your like, did you do you feel that your experience writing those books and writing about characters who had body image issues, but the focus of them wasn't actually eating disorders, necessarily to that move you at all in terms of how you started to think about these things that you bet eventually coronate in this article. Yeah, it's interesting to my first book, luckiest girl, live. If you read it, you know, that the character is, like planning her wedding, and she's in, like a very restrictive, she's being very restrictive with food and punishing herself by over exercising, and trying to like, lose even more weight, even though she's already like a thin supposed to be thin girl. And I remember the first draft about I turned in too, well, we share an agent. So, you know, I I we share a literary agent. So I turned it into listen, she was like, there's a lot of food talk in this, like you might. Have to tone it down. There was even more food talk in my first book, but it's, it's just excessive you need to tone it down. And I reason I think it was so excessive and it was such a big part of the character is. Because when I was writing that book I was doing what that character was doing. And so when you can't have food all you can think about is food 'cause you're hungry and Mike. You're obsessed with it. So it came out in my writing when I was writing my second book, the favourite sister, I was working with a lease. And I was, I was recovering from this very disorder relationship with food so I was learning. And so a lot of what I was learning I was putting into a new character and into a new story got if that makes yeah. Okay. So then were you said it so you started the article talking about, like how wellness is actually just another word for the diet industry? Can you just like how did you come to that? How could you make such a such a blanket statement? Although while we both completely agree with you. That's again another inspiration for this podcast. Can you talk more about that? Yeah. So I so. I say in the article the wellness industry is the diet industry and took me it was such an eye opener when I realized that for myself because when I first started when I first went into treatment, my fair 'pests was like your, you know, explaining like we'll on diets, make you feel like this and diets make you do this, and I'm like, but I don't I don't die it like I just try to I'm just trying to eat clean, like I'm just trying to like, eat foods that are approved under whole thirty. You know, and like avoid processed foods. I. I could not conflict that with a diet, and it took a while for me to understand, like, oh, it's just that the diet industry like morphed into this idea of wellness and I have now confused kind of health and diet and health and business, and it took so much work to, like pull those two notions apart. And to understand that, like whole body wellness is very different than like the appearance of wellness, which is Finn very fit very toned. Like those two things don't go together like the kind of vision our society has crafted of, of someone who is fit and healthy. Very few peop- some people genetically can achieve that without having to do much. But most people can't most people have to engage in like, kind of, like. Sick behaviors in order to look like that. So it's not actually healthy, but it took so much work to really understand that, like that was not something like a light bulb that went off overnight for me. Right. So then how do you define healthy? How do I define else? I think the way I look at health now is so much more holistic. And, and I think the interesting thing was when I was really obsessing about what I eat, and how I exercised, and I thought that this was about my health, and I followed all these kind of healthy and blue Unsers on Instagram. And what I realized now is like, they would only really talk about the things that affected your appearance, but so much of health has nothing to do with your appearance, you know, thinking about mental health about stress the stress that worrying about your body, a couple of pounds and feeling so bad about yourself when, like a certain pair of jeans feel. Just like a little too snug than they did a couple of days before, like all of that is so bad for our health, and I had never taken that into consideration before or worried about what that stress was doing to my body or, or try to do any work about how I could alleviate some of that stress so dots health to me is like just being like kinder and not as hard on myself like I feel like that, that just has had a big impact on my overall mood. And also, I just feel so much more confident around food, like I know what I like to eat. I never knew what I like to eat for so long because I was just always told what I was always like looking to people to tell me what to eat, and the whole thing about intuitive eating is, like, everyone has different tastes, and preferences and different foods make us feel differently. And it's about figuring out like. What tastes really good to you? And what also makes you feel good. And it takes work to figure out what that is. But then once you, you do your you feel like you trust yourself again. And that makes me feel really, really good inside. So I feel like that's like a really healthy insane mindset that I have cultivated over the last two years that I never bothered to cultivate in the past. Yeah, I think that trust the trust the feeling of trusting yourself around food is really huge. I think so many of us don't even realize that we don't trust ourselves. I can think I handed that feeling of not being able to trust myself around certain foods. I never thought I would be able to it's like a maze ING that I can now. Yeah. I mean who, who amongst us has not cancelled like a happy, hour or dinner because you're like I don't know if I'll be able to keep away from the red basket or I don't tros. Yeah. I'm saying auto. But I think one of the most challenging things about all this is that we're so bombarded day in day out with messages from everywhere, whether it's Instagram, whether it's a reality show or just any TV show any advertisements like you walk out on the street and advertisements are are thin rail thin models. How do you how do how can women in particular be more resilient to these messages and start to kind of look at them, like, not as aspirated, but about as harmful? Yeah, I love that word resilient and thinking about this. You know I don't I don't really have an answer. I just, you know what I'm doing when I'm trying to do is one, I think, just, having that self awareness of like, how manipulated these images are like knowing that one. The, you know, the models in these images are like part of the point five percent of our of our population that genetically looks like this, or to like they're doing some really harmful things to themselves to look like this. And like it's just no way to live. So, I think I try and just remember that. And to be really, really aware of that. And also like, and this is what I talk about an article is like I just don't put myself down any more. And I never realized about my appearance. That is like I never realized how frequently I did that before and any may. It's like that, have you ever heard of the, you know, the wonder woman pose it's like it's like a body language thing, like they say, if like you're going into, like a, you know, a big interview, or you're like wanna ask for a raise like you should assume this position. Which is like arms up in the air like like wide stance of your legs. And it supposed to trigger confidence like you're taking up more room and then you feel the confidence. So I, I try and think of it that way. Like if I just if I stop saying such terrible things about myself, maybe I'll stop thinking, and like that really has happened. Like I've made this concerted effort not to bash my body and not to bash my appearance. And while it took time those thoughts in my head have definitely quieted down, because I'm not voicing them out loud anymore. That's really amazing. What, what would be something you would used to say to yourself, that you feel like you don't believe any more? That I don't believe anymore that like you just don't like you just don't listen to it. Like just for me like I, there's certain parts of my body where I just I, I do not like, and then I sort of get mad at myself for not liking them. And it's this terrible spiral. But, you know, it takes a lot of time to get to a place where you're just like it's okay. So what would be something? You used to say that you might not anymore internally. Yeah. I think it's more on just like it's more like an acceptance like you're just kind of like I don't like it. But, like I can't really change it like, short of, like, like, I think the thing I recognize is like in order to like change things. I don't like about myself. The thing I realize is like I those behaviors are not sustainable. Like that's why was always on. I was doing that yoyo thing which I didn't even recognize his yo yo dieting, which by the way all the research that's out there is like. Yo-yo dieting in typical weight women is so bad for our hearts. And that's only like that's like, if you're going up and down five to fifteen pounds which I was constantly doing for years like that is so bad for your heart. And the reason you yoyo is because like you're, you're doing things that are just not sustainable. You can't live your life that way. So I think I remind myself that like, in order to if I really if I wanted change these things, I don't like about. It's like a false equivalency, like okay I could change these things I don't like about myself, but I can't actually sustain the behaviors needed to change them. So you know what I mean, the logic is off. Like I just I can't, I can't actually do it so moving on, like, that's kind of where my brain goes now, like moving on. Let me just think about something else. Like it's not it I can't do it. I can't do it and, and you have to land on some happy, medium, because sometimes with the most of the time with the Yohane is like you, you are in the. Restrictive diet, you lose some weight, and then you go back to eating unhealthy things because you're just sort of like it, and then even the unhealthy things you're eating on the on the way back up to the top of the yo, that also is unhealthy. So there's some place where we get rid of that we have to find like someplace in the middle, that's healthy. And the plans when you hear of a new diet plan, or whatever it is, they never say, like they only say this person lost this amount of weight. They never talk about the ninety percent of the people who lost that weight, and then gained it back, and then they moved on to the next plan. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the other thing, too, is like when people, especially something, I would notice about like these wellness more traditional wellness influencers, that I would follow is like they would talk about these, like, high that they experienced when they were being like, quote unquote, good, or like eating clean, and like the. You know all the energy, they had. And like how good they felt like they're not actually wrong because there is a rush that you experience like the beginning of like a diet. Like that's why they're so that's why people do that because they do feel good at first 'cause you're, like strong willed at person like I'm gonna do this in for like a couple of days or a couple of weeks like you're like, really committed. And you do feel all of those things like I remember like I still sometimes like like salary, like remembering how good that felt but you always fall like, that's the thing you always fall off it. And then you fall off it feels. So you go, I would at least I would go wild around food, and that feeling was so terrible like that could never make up for how good those first couple of weeks about, like it was just too deep too dark. Like I never wanted. I'm so sick of. Feeling like that. And I haven't felt like that and over two years. And that feels that feels really good. That's great, we. So we, we've definitely talks about into beating on his podcast before, and people have people have asked us about it, and it's been a discussion. But one of the things that I think you, you mentioned this in your article. One of the things I think scares, people is I that, like making radical change. That's different from the way they've thought for their whole. Life is obviously very scary. But also part of it is that you're set weight or the weight that your body might wanna be might be heavier than you necessary to accepting about yourself. And I thought it was really interesting that this your article coming out was also timed the same week coincidentally as this whole Nike Madigan controversy with this. Like they did you see that they have larger mass now. Yeah. Yeah. I saw. That and it had so much back. Well, I don't think it had actually everyone what happened. What was the backlash? So basically the UK Nike store, I think. Had a mannequin that was like a larger size. I think it was a size eighteen a woman, a woman, Monica. Okay. It was it was like next to the size zero mannequins. There was a variety in the store, and she looks like someone who you would see in workout classes, someone just a regular person like, and it was the when and basically someone wrote this up at an telegraph that was like this is unacceptable. This is disgusting like this type of person would be more likely to like waiting in the waiting room for heart disease, or something then she would be to like getting ready to go for a run. I'm not sure if that was the exact wording, but that is the gist. But it's, it's just very interesting that, that, that came out the same week as you wrote this article, which is really has the underlying premise of, like, we might just have to accept that. We're not going to be this size zero person that we've been trying to be. Yeah. I was just going to add that, like it's really interesting because in there's all kinds of dollar research. Behind intuitive eating not like this sido pseudoscientific researched like some of these, like wellness bats have like and, you know, a lot. There has been a response to the article, like will your, you know, promoting obesity or like not only not just that you're like promoting obesity. But like you're just, you know, now, it's just you're you just want to give people an excuse to, like, let them eat, whatever they want. Or like you know, I don't think we should smash the wellness industry because we're the most obese Nate you know, nation in the world. And clearly like we aren't embracing it enough and I like I you know, I just wanna like, have a response to that because I just wanna say to these people like, yeah, we're like our nation is, is the most obsessed with this idea of wellness, and how like a talking about developed nations. We are the most obsessed with. Wait an appearance and working out and eating healthy and eating clean and eating whole foods and all this stuff yet. We are obesity rates are so high, like don't you see a correlation there like this isn't working diets? The research shows diets make people alternately gain more weight than it, they had never attempted to die at all. Because anytime you sense restriction in your future your brain stores out, away and chemicals are released that drive you to want to eat because you think you're going to starve yourself. And I know I mean, the weight I am now which like I've accepted and I'm good with it. And like it is considered like thin within our culture. You know, the our culture standards. But like I would probably be even dinner if I had never spent the last twelve or so years trying to control manipulate my weight. So. So, yeah, like dieting, and, and shaming people about their weight that doesn't that's not working like we're already doing not. So maybe we should try something else, and like I'm proof here that, like being gentle on yourself and taking the judgment out of eating it, it doesn't make you just sit on the couch. And you know, dig into a bag of potato chips all day long. Like that's not that's not how you end up living your life like your body really does know what to do. Your body does want to eat and moving away. That's gonna make you feel good. Like let's encourage people to get in touch with that. And just like take some of the pressure and the judgment off 'cause it's not helping anybody. Right. Something else. You said and you just touched on it now is that wellness, as an industry is really just like another consumer product disguised as health. And that they're no one really promotes like going to going to see a friend or something like getting outside and going for a walk because there's no money in that. And they don't like. Yeah. And, and also like the whole thing about that, that type of mannequin in a window promotes, obesity is, so it doesn't make any sense. It suggests that everything is so black and white, but, like thin doesn't equal healthy. Like you said, so maybe losing weight, if that's better for your heart, but in a way that's that sustainable over time and changing that to eat foods that make you let you walk further. Like, maybe that's a different approach. But just because we don't have if we have manikins that reflect actual people, maybe the people would make just choices that aren't constantly how can I get skinnier? How can I get skinnier or let me just like you said, those potato chips, because fuck it, I'm never going to be able to be that skinny. Right. Yeah. Let's I mean, a lot of like there's also like research. I mean, the idea of like, like, wait sigma hurts people so much because it keeps it does keep people from exercising and out of the Jimmy keeps people from going to see the doctor like you know, you're, they get shamed by their doctors. So they don't go to the doctor. And then you don't you know, catch things that could have been caught early like that kind of dot that weight stigma like, really gravely injures people, I was just thinking about this the other day, how many people are afraid of going to the doctor because they don't wanna get weighed like I. Yeah. For a really long time I wouldn't go to the doctor 'cause I was refusing to myself, and therefore, I didn't want the doctor to weigh me. But like that is so crazy. Yeah, I do you know you can say to your doctor, I don't wanna be weighed. I'm not wait any I have no idea. But wait now I don't own a scale, and when I go to the doctor's office, and they want me to stop on the scale. I just say, I'm in treatment for. You know, disorder eating and body image. And I don't wanna be weighed you don't even have to say you're in treatment. You can I prefer. Yeah, just prefer not to be weighed, and they force you to get on the scale, you know. And if you're and if your doctor gives you a hard time about finding new doctor honestly, that'd be a PSA on. No one knows that. Yeah. How long did it take you to get to this place like? Nusa two years. But is that the time, do you think that you have a lot more work to do or where are you now from the place where you were when you started? Yeah, it's interesting because like a year ago like a year ago, I would have thought, wow, and, you know, and doing so, well, and I was doing so, well, but, you know, a year later, I'm doing even better. So the cool thing about that is thinking, like is thinking about progress and how I'm still working toward progress, because, like, I'm not perfect, like I, you know, I have I have moments where I feel really down on my self. I have moment for like, you know, I'm still kind of morning, a lot of people who, who embrace intuitive eating and, and there are a lot of intuitive like eating Guyot Titian RD's on Instagram that you can follow, like, if you wanna like clean out your Instagram. And like get rid of the people who are, like, you know, really kind of black and white about what wellness is and, and, you know, or kinda like following these really strict rules, if you want to get rid of those people like, there are tons of intuitive, eating dietitians, who put like the most inspiring content up that make you feel really good about yourself and feel like you know, there are other people that are doing this, and it's working for them and just makes your life so much bigger to, like, not waste so much time and energy worrying about a couple of pounds and, and what you eat share. So what's, I'm you share like, like one or two, we'll Chrissy Harrison is one of them, and she also has a podcast which is really great and it's just Chrissy Harrison, see eight with a C H, and there has boot site. Yes, that's it. And then. Then there is the real life, our d who is Robin noling. I love her, and there's the fuck it diet really fun on my. Yeah, it's really good. And then by dietician is a lease rash. And she wrote an and everyone if anyone's interested in this start with intuitive, eating the book by at least rash, and Evelyn Tripoli dot explains. What the loss is how it works why it's so much better for us. And, you know, and in all these ways, and, and it's scary a little bit, what they propose at first because it's basically, like just let yourself eat anything want as much as you want for as long as you need. And you're like wait. What I cannot do that. But, but eventually, it's amazing like food, just kind of loses its awar-, like once there's no rules, once you don't fear restriction. You're like, oh, I don't you know, like what time though? Right. It takes. So it's different for everyone. I've heard some people say it's it takes. Them a month. Some people it takes six months. Some people it takes a year. Some people like kind of boomerang back and forth a few times. It's a it's a process. All change is hard work. Like if you wanna change it's hard work, that's just how it is. It's not easy for human beings to enact change. So if you're really, if you're really committed, like, yeah, it's a process but it's worth it. I just want to from your opinion. Are there any trends that you're seeing that are like particularly harmful or misleading? I mean, I think like the clean eating one is probably the most harmful and misleading because it sounds so virtuous Yeah. Down. So it sounds so innocent because, like there aren't necessarily, it's not like I mean like caddo. I mean I'm sorry like that is on its face the dumbest and most dangerous thing I've ever heard in my life like that. That just is so like offensively dangerous sounding. So that just I feel like anyone who. I mean critical thinker will be able to see that right away. But, like clean eating is like much more just like so much more subtle, you know, and it really positions, the conversation around, like health. And so I just I don't know. I feel like that was the one that was the hardest to me to let go with this idea that foods were clean, you know, on Ray hospice, yeah. Like idea of like food being processed, you know, like that would really scare me like on a health level, that would scare me. And also, it would I would feel like heavier when I would eat a food that I hadn't deemed clean, like it just took me a really long time to just let go of that will another term that I learned from one of your books. I think it was also favorite sister is the term orthodontic. I had never heard of that before. But that's. I guess defined as like being being opposed to eating anything. That's not clean. Really? It's yeah. And szeswith being kind of health your. Yeah, yeah. It's I think it, I mean it's basically the idea like instead of it, you're like addicted to living, this extremely health forward life to a point where like it's just completely interrupting your day to day wellbeing, and, and. Yeah. And I feel like I saw a lot of that, like I used to be a magazine other and I used to work at a health magazine, and I just felt we would do all these pieces or the wreck Zia and I'm like looking back. I'm like me mile like we were all so. I mean it was just did you that at the time like right about it? Did you when you were writing about that as magazine editor, did you, did you think there was anything wrong about you guys? Or did you or you're only seeing that looking back? Yeah. I can only see that with hindsight, easy. It just felt like this would and did you know, like they worried about their bodies. They worried about food like that was just the way life was and does where the topics that dominated the conversations, I had with my friends and yeah, I never I never questioned it. And, and I do now and now I almost feel it's something when, when I'm with another woman, and she starts talking loudly about her body or feeling guilty about eating foods, it, I feel this shock as if someone has said something like, really offensive like, don't you know, like it's two thousand eight. Eighteen like we don't see that anymore. Like that's how I feel about now. And like my hope is that, like all women, get to a place where like dot kind of talk would just eat, like shocking to them like, we don't talk like that anymore. Yeah. For sure. And also just the idea of clean dirty. I think it's just a rebrand of good versus bad. It's like the thing like good verse bad diet industry. Clean verse. Dirty is the wellness industry both that I reduced in the unsure of your article the, the, the conversation you were describing about being out to lunch with, like, colleagues, I guess, and the things you were saying you were describing that they were saying something about it felt very like nineteen fifties housewife ladies go out to lunch and then pick on, they're pick on their body parts and it. And then it like it just made so much sense with where you later, went that went in the article that this is that this is basically just we wellness industry, essentially just. The diet industry with a rebrand and thinking about how backwards the diet industry used to be like, when you see on Instagram like reprinted diets vogue the sixties, and it's like ice chips for breakfast, and like cigarette for mid morning snack like very like backwards. Very like the only thing women have to offer is their bodies and there and yeah, but if you I think it shows I mean we talk about what's on our minds, you know, so can me that just so telling that when I start to article by saying sat down to business lunch and then I was so excited to like talk about, like ideas for like, Claverie Shen and, and, and opportunities. And instead, the conversation was like totally about, like what we couldn't couldn't order off the menu. And how gross everyone's body was. And I and it just made me sad. You know it just made me sad. Like, if we, if we tend to talk about the things that are like on our minds like how often are women thinking about this? You know, like it's just I don't know. Like I just don't wanna be in the nursing home one day and be like I just wasted. So much of my brain power worrying about something that really didn't matter in the end. Yeah, I mean, I think about that all the time. And I think that's one of the biggest things that's like motivated me to try to shut some of this out, although obviously huge process and not possible. But like all the things I could be doing with my brain that are not folks that are not like a focused on, like something kind of shallow and be like wasting my time because I'm never going to be size zero. And like maybe I don't even like really want to be as is era. I don't think I would look normal. But yeah I mean it's just thinking about, like how much time we wasted and how much. Money and like so much money. And how much we could have more developed our own thoughts and like things that we do if you're not what we like instead of what we're we what we like because it has less calories. Yeah. So like if you were if you were to kind of like do a page one rewrite on the whole wellness industry, diet culture. What would it look like would it maybe not exist? Like, what would your ideal situation be for all for women for the relationship, we wouldn't have with their bodies and food? I think the biggest thing is I think that if you were going to rewrite it, that, like wellness should have a huge focus on community and connectability, which is also something I address in the article. Like I like there's so many studies that show that people that feel connected to their communities. Are, you know, have better health outcomes, live longer alive? Like loneliness is a killer. Like it really is a killer. And I just wish that kind of the like, if we could redirect some of the pressure, put on people to like get out there and exercise, like eat a big leafy green salad, like imagine if like some of that pressure on people to like, you know, not just like taxed with their best friend, and like actually, like, go out and like grab a drink, you know, or pick up the phone call someone instead of passing or sending that Email. I, I don't know. I just I just wonder just think the world would be like such a better more like a warmer place. And I know for me is someone. And this is obviously like so specific Kamai experienced, but, like I'm a writer, I work from home. I'm pretty isolated in my day today. And then, like I also happen to be living in a time where. We have social media, and it feels like it's a substitute for human connection. But, like I'm not the first person hardly the first person to point this out like we know it's not, you know, and so I'm slowly trying to you know make the effort to be out there in the world. A little bit more in the way, I used to make the effort to like, you know, go for a run, you know, like I'm trying to prioritize that as much because I just think that, that is such a huge part of our, mental health and, you know, and then not not that manifest into like an improved physical health situation to definitely I think that's really great advice. Yeah. And if we can hope everyone takes that. Yeah. Well, that's where we are trying to do that, with, like this podcast and trying to get people together and to share their experiences and realize that we're not all alone. In all of this. but so thank you so much for taking the time to tell us your, your Argos amazing. I have honestly even thinking about it since I read it a few days ago, and we're not kidding literally five people to twenty five different people sent to us all of our different accounts. And I'm, I'm may I really I thought that it would be like somewhat of a conversation starter. But I not to this degree, I couldn't have imagined this. So, so what? So what's next? Are you going to write a part two? Yeah. Well, my publisher would like me to return to book three which working on. That's kind of the main thing I'm working on, at the moment and other projects. You know, my other two books are in development for TV and film. So those are things I'm working. I'm so sick, so yeah. I also have what you say about. I know you're also very it's writing about, like equal pay and making sure that women gets you adapt their own books, and that you actually like decided to write your own script rather than have someone else. Take it. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. I know maybe that is the next essay, I write is, but mostly for authors. Like I just want them to know like so much so many books are optioned for TV or for film and, and authors, should feel empowered to say. Like I wanna be the one to adopt that if, if they want to. And I think my message is like it's not that hard writing a book is really, really hard, if you can do that you can manage the outpatient process. That's like that's my next thing, I'm gonna write about maybe let's awesome. Honestly, you're super inspiring. I really am. We're stated to see every read the next book, see the movie we're following you closely. So either wears fans here we're people find you. They can find me on Instagram. I Jessica what am I just canola author and then on Twitter? I'm just am I just I'm Noel. Let me see it's like how, you know, your own phone number. Yeah. Jess m Noel M like Mary on Twitter. Okay. Cool. Thank you so much for taking the time tax us. Awesome. Thanks guys. Thanks for having me. Thank you. All right. Bye bye.

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Dollar Store Woodworking

Wood Talk

28:17 min | 5 months ago

Dollar Store Woodworking

"Welcome to would talk now. Here are three guys who combined would make one hell of a woodworker mark, Shannon and mad. I'll be honest. I think if they combined us. We'd be a very confused woodworker. GET ANYTHING DONE NO! Definitely not! Moving very confusing all right well. Welcome to show number four seventy six for July second twenty twenty on today's show. We are doing a q eight show cleaning out that inbox. The thing is most of the time the way we do a show we don't have as many questions getting into the show, so I think once in a while. We'll just do this little bonus QNA thing rip through as many questions as we can in a short period of time and try to help you guys out by answering your questions. So. Let's get started. Shannon you got the Oh actually met once the patriotic message, and then we'll get into it all right. If you WANNA help support the show you can do so by going to patriots dot com slash talk in science become a patriots show when you sign up, I will Bush your name. That's what you get task what you get. That's what you get what you deserve that you get the warm fuzzy feeling of supporters of teams love, and also here name read completely inaccurately. By some guy goes. He's doing and you can save ringtone. Think about how cool that will be. Every time we're phone rings. Which you and your name? I hope someone does that. We also. Shannon wanted she started off. Dude, okay. This is from John He says recently made a new workbench with three quarter inch holes, and I bought a set of gramercy. Hold fast, and they are amazing emergency. Put some leather pads on the clam surface very nice. But. Apparently. Joe became. Where the. He's so. Maybe. Ever go yeah. Nice he's question. Is One payroll fast enough, or should I buy another set? Yes I. Know You'RE GONNA. Ask what I making, but it ranges a lot from from power tools handwork too big CC project so a lot of different stuff, so I grabbed this because. I had a single set of hold fast, single payer fast for probably years and then. I bought another pair. Mainly because I kept hearing about these Grammars, you hold fast and I figured well. Let's give them shot bought another pair, and now I have five pairs of Holt. Five five payers. What do you do ten? Hold fast, so yeah, well do. So, it sounds like fewer yeah, right. The thing is that's. That's a bit much. There's no doubt some of them have because I was testing testing the product. How does it work because some people have real trouble? Getting the hold and certain thicknesses and I seem to adjust dodge that hold ferry that comes in and sabotage fast because mine all seemed to work well, but. I will say that. Having a second pair was a really big deal for me. I was suddenly. Using them a lot more because I wasn't like running out I had my to hold fast, and that was two points of contact, but having a third one, not even like a force, having a second pair of having a third one, really kind of opened up, allowed me to do a lot more things i. use them a lot more often having a second. Second pair, just kind of became a huge deal, if for no other reason than I keep the second pair on holes in the legs on the other side of the bench, so when you're really lazy, and you don't want to cross all the way around to the other side of the bench guard the whole fast. You've got to on the backside as well. I mean two points of contact your Nice for holding one board in place, but sometimes you to hold a stop in place, and then hold another board in place in the third hold fast especially becomes really really a nice. So I say get another pair and then build another bench and then. Two more pair. Why not why not? It's not your money. Yeah, just go for it all right? That's cool. I'm trying to figure out the money. Part of things I'm saying you're giving advice to spend my. Money I wasn't talking to John. John's money, not Shannon's money. If I have to explain it. It's just not funny anymore. It wasn't even funny to begin with. It's it's it's harder. I record it night, just throwing that out there. Yeah Mornings are better yeah. UNBELIE awake I'm like extra goofy. Shannon's about the fall asleep. Marks Lake is too far behind in times care. Whatever. Make, kids run through the House staying up late. This is usual. Going on here to accept them in the basement. Can't see anyway next. Someone here is from. We got here from Jeff. This guy's I'm your help. Abroad you go about. A larger regular piece of wood I e a borough I purchase several BERLE SMA friend with Assad mole. They're probably fifteen or more years old now. These bands was not easy easy even with Jake. I managed to destroy a couple of good blades I would like to slice them into one inch thick slabs. Eight suggestions are much appreciated. So this is my like for real suggestion. That is semi sarcastic. Take them back to your further sawmill. I mean like the. Stuff like this is like the classic take. The was the woods the tool the would thing when things get big and awkward and hard to hold. Easier to you know. Take the tools the would. That's what you have. Some. The the brewers viewed clamped the solid through it, and you won't have to worry about maneuvering this thing through a saw which Presuming. You gotTa Kinda digged up, right, be all right, but not jammed up. Just right could probably not end so well for you, too, so there's a little bit of a safety concern there, but if you're really trying to get this thing on your Dan saw. At Home Jeff actually sent some pictures of the things he's trying to cut, and they are very regular in about two feet across, so it's a very very large awkward piece of Woodsy, pushing through a band saw, and this is a borough, so you have grain direction, which is like literally all over the place, and it's probably pretty much all the way dry this point, so you're cutting like some pretty hard wood, which is very challenging for your saw regardless, so if you're having problems getting through your right now with whatever blades using prowling using the riot blades, you probably want something even coarser than you're using with fewer teeth bigger, Gullit's and. Maybe need to south more power through that cut. Because that was not a small thing you were trying to cut, so could there be a reason. Why like it seems the obvious choices? If you need something large irregular son and he has a quote, unquote friend with a sawmill. Is there any reason why he would not have his friend? Do This just the hassle? Yeah. Borough who are sawmill to cut this is. The so here's the interesting thing about the Sun will cutting this. This thing is like. It's weird, gray space for a little too small for most sawmills out of the box so what he would have to do with his friends Samuel presumably, his friend isn't really like set up for cutting something us down to twenty four inches like my size is, you have to take like a piece of plywood or anything like at least four feet long because that's how why the bunks are on more saw mills screw your. BIRLA whatever down to that, and then the Sawyer can clamp that piece of plywood in his saw and then of. have. The rig up. That's what I was thinking as far as like an inch shop solution now if it's two feet wide, that's a totally different situation, but like you see a lot of burrows that are you know? Twelve inches, or whatever and I was trying to think of a way that. You could put a sacrificial straight edge on it and I can't really think of a way without screwing into the borough. Yeah usually how it's done. Who Hot done it? Yeah, you gotTA sacrifice a little bit with a screw here and there I mean you could put the screws in the outside. I guess but make sure you don't saw under those screws because I do that. I. Mean that's how destroyed a few good blades. Yeah, right. It's got to be frustrating though when you've got this amazing gorgeous. And you want to get as much yield out of it as possible, and you're snapping blades and things just aren't going your way. That's got to be super frustrating. Good luck with Jeff who. Hope his friend is a good friend. I can help them out with us. US presume the gave them the boroughs no purchase. They didn't say purchase and bring him some money. Bring them some be all right next one we have here is from Eric, Richter. He says I've a few unusual tips that I'd like for you guys to shoot down or validate, so it's not quite a question, but I thought it was. He had some interesting things here. Number one shooting pin nails into domino's to minimize clamping Kinda like drawer tenants. It's virtually invisible, but is it worth doing? Eric Stop don't ever do that. Don't ever do that. That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. I mean I guess you could do it. You can do it, but prepare for me to make fun of you for doing it. I guess I'm trying to think of use cases why you would want to do this. I mean presumably. CLAMPITT, but but aren't you? Yeah, but you're gonNA have to your. You got signed to this joint. At some point, you're going to have to bring them both together with the clamp and then pass drop the pin in there. Off Move On. Now don't do that. I! I'm I'm trying to help you with the situation. Berry I guess fine but I. Don't think you should do that I think. We making I mean we just make him like a shop cabinet or something face frame I. Don't know sure in that case. Yeah I don't know I'm GonNa Pin nail hold. I mean it's not like draw boring. AIDS pig that. Whole. Wire. Or intended I think. Accurate comparison styling job war at all I mean he's saying it's invisible, so he's using one in eighteen gauge twenty two gauge on mean you can ben those by looking at them. You know crooked S I mean. If there's any inclination for the joint not to stay, you know really super tight I don't think those are going to stop it from happening. I mean Norm Brad, Miller everything together. So this is like the next iteration in that or just use finish nails. Those will be fine if we're going to do this, do it right. I can say all right so number two, he says dollar tree cells Gel. Thickness ca glue with three tubes for a dollar. Anything wrong with the cheap ca glue. Honestly I think there's a lot of brands AC- IGLOO and some of them act like there's something special. Maybe the are, but most of the time she do. All activators work the same all loose if I'm pretty sure they belong to the same way. I think it was ben over fund woodworking What's his last name Strana China? He actually made a point recently that he's like I'm sick of buying giant containers of Ca Glue that wind up hardening for I, can actually use it all well. That was the way I was GONNA say about the dollar store stuff. Make sure it's not already hardened. Shelf for ten years right, but the advantage of having three small tubes is, you can keep to completely sealed before you actually need to access that material, so they may be more efficient to to buy those smaller tubes and quality wise. I mean there might be some kind of difference in the higher quality theory I just say that they were closed higher quality, stuff or more expensive stuff. But Realistically I. Don't think it's going to be that because that sounds like what you're doing with, it 'cause. Like if you're just using like glue and GLUED, trick! Yeah like South Sawdust by saying who cares strong. It is two different types of glue in the. Fetus like I'm using the CA glue and masking tape trick like. There's a lot of service area to cover siegler there like I'm sure like most footwear siegler down anyway when we do that. I just can't imagine. The stuff being like that. You're not doing like a CA. Glue pen finished with because the jail not thin right, so it's not like it's not like you're wearing a hat and you glue yourself to an IBM and hang from it. Right! How many people do you think we'll get better? That's crazy. Crazy great hey. Okay, so number three says dollar tree also sells a role of double sided tape like wall, mounting tape four dollar. That's at least a tenth of the price of carpet tape. It's also already cut into the perfect size strips about a half inch by three quarters of an inch. Thoughts on something like that. Okay, so for that one. That could be fine. You won't know until you buy it just because it's double sided tape doesn't mean it's going to work for a woodworking applications hanging up art and stuff like it's like, isn't that? That's what I was going to as in like cushy. It's designed to because I think I would want to use yes I. Think if there's a foam element to it I'd stay away from that altogether if it's if it's thin and just a you know a very thin material that doesn't separate your parts. It's worth trying. It's only a buck. Give it a shot, but if you can very easily take those pieces apart then you probably don't Wanna use that for woodworking. So anyway, that's cool. It would be interesting to see what kind of cool little finds. You could find at the dollar store I. Am like my next project using Domino's get pin naylor out. Oh Man! Were head to the ceiling to drive you nuts. In my shop right so. I had. A little legs. Great I want to see it. Crazy, That takes me back. That was a good commercial. Alright. So. This one's from bill and I don't know that I. have an answer to this, but I wanted to throw it out there. Now that sketch up is going subscription only for two hundred ninety nine dollars a year, will you? The three of us be charging are changing the way you distribute plans for your projects. So my immediate answer is I knew this I saw this the other day and I immediately panicked because. Like I've just started to get good. It's catch up. And I I've heard of other alternatives, but I've blindly stuck my fingers in my ear and having to myself because it's like. I'm I'm just gotten comfortable with ketchup now and I had something that I can use, but as far as plans I actually don't know that that many people. I like make my models available, but handle I put together something I call a process document, which is more like a magazine style format. It's a pdf and he's got lots of images and descriptions. It looks very much like a magazine, and that's mostly what people are using. Those are my plans. I. Don't know that that many people in fact I get more questions. About what am I supposed to do what Pergram do? I use to open a dot S. K.. P., file. To me like scholarship is starting to go away, and it's probably because now you have to have a annual subscription. Does anybody know does the free sketch make the online version? Is that still going to be there? I was actually going to ask the same question. I can't imagine they're going to get rid of that. Looking is this. Is this pricing plan implemented yet? No, no I. Don't think so, but it's I think it's van der. Maybe yes I'm looking right now. Pro is two ninety nine a year on the website right now, okay? But there's sketch of shop which is one nineteen year, but that's web only and it says model personal projects, and then discover three D.. Modeling is their free level, which is web only so right I don't i. don't know the actual details like what what does that. Free version and tell doesn't mean you can actually taken escapee file and simply browse it well, and if that's the case because they also have, don't they have a tablet APP? That's just. So just the viewer, and if that's really what all I'm asking people to do is open it and spin it around, and you can get a feel for together. Then that's free like yeah, you know and I've used the online version before, and it is pretty stripped down like you really can't do. Anything with curves I mean it's. And like all of the the keyboard shortcuts I'm used to don't work. which was really infuriating so? But as a way to just kind of orbit around and look at a model and. If. You've got components in it. You can pull components and use the tape measure and kind of reverse engineer it that should all still work and to me. If they know what's good for them, they'll keep that out there because it's a way to introduce people to the program. So that is the case. Yes, I will probably continue to use ketchup to build my models, because someone can always view it for free. The minute that you can't do something for free then. Yes, I'M GONNA have to change something because people will have my head otherwise. The sketch that important like I use my trip as a tool to to make really, it's the PDF. The sancho allows me to have something to manipulate that I. Could then put into a pdf plan and bring your attention to certain parts of the project I like in the guild. We provide the sketch up as a courtesy, but I think we would still be able to provide the same level of service if we were able to provide that or if people can't view it for free and switching to something else I don't know that that would be that helpful, it's it's really all about the videos in the PDF and. Download numbers, the number of people downloading the PDF versus the number sketch malls downloaded is like night and day difference so yeah, Yeah I! Mean I rely on it pretty heavily to build now bike as a woodworker as a video producer I find. That is really helpful to help me outline the video by building the model because it's lighter, it's the video game version of woodworking as I've always said you. You build the model right there and I can go okay well. This is going to be a problem going need to film this section this section, and too now like. Panics a little bit to think that it's going to go away because I don't want to I already. Have my Dobie creative cloud description. Then you know my netflix subscription and. I don't want another subscription and I panicked me because I have come to rely upon that as our Porsche design modeling tool. In which case I suppose I should just pony up and get the subscription, but yeah. It might be at opportunities. Have learned something else. Yeah it's. It's a challenge. I think for a few people who actually use. It's going to be disappointing. You know if they can't four free take this. and. Manipulate it and do all the changes. They WANNA make to it on, but I don't I. Do not think the sketch file is necessary. Just think about every plan that's ever been distributed pre two thousand six, and they will never come with a digital model that you could play around with. That's not the way things where you play every project in a magazine. Absolutely no. It's an exploded drawing an parts list. and. Interesting I would like I'm looking for a blog post or something that explains these new prices. I, don't see anything. Where when did this come up? I got an email about it. Okay. To dig that up I'm trying to even think how I got on their email lists to tell you the truth, but. Yeah googling like new schedule pricing must seeing anything on new pricing. Maybe there was such an uproar that. Backpedal backpedal change. Change their mind. I doubt it because. There's gotta be enough uproar about. The current web version, and how hard that his actually get anything done with that Committed this whole big subscription model thing. Okay! That's pretty cool. Good question though. Not Me. That's me, okay. Hi! From will says when I lived in Pennsylvania. My father in law had a really nice shop with all the bells and whistles anytime he wants to do. What working shop was at my disposal, as I started getting more and more into woodworking I'm find myself, wow. I find I'm getting tired of Ham Planning and joining everything star. Shannon. Join everything. He's GonNa. Planer I've in the market the purchase either join to replenish foreshadowing i. have time deciding whether I want to stop face planning or whether. Whether, I want square boards. I know both joint planner have their benefits, but if you have one as the first big tool purchase, which will be the most of my would get as rough Saad. I'm GonNa say Planer because that seems like edge joining aboard a lot less work than face planning. Like, that's a serious. My time saving and you can edge joint with the. Tools you have. A router with the straight edge, get your most of the way there and assuming fairly proficient already with ham planes. If their rider edge isn't totally perfect, you can get you closer with the whatever plane you have. Come. But. Definitely a plainer on that one. Show all right next one here. Actually. Our last one today is from Ray Ray Gilmore. He says I was perusing the worst for Guild Group Age, the other day and found an interesting question Ryan Lund was needing to build an archway for his wife. From Cedar is Cedar capable of being bent to a point of at least making ninety degree arc, so that you can connect to together to make one eighty degree arc. I've never really paid attention to how manufacturers do this type of thing. Could you make a panel and just a range the arts and cut the ARCS in the least wasteful way? How was this done? So I can't answer how this is done necessarily. has done several different ways. Just going to cover a few guys if you can think of another way that I didn't list here, let me know. So of course, if you need to make that bend, you could Stephen Cedar Wood. Steam Bend just fine. How severe the bend while go! Watch my video on my adventures in steam bending. It's it's quite quite an experience. Let's that way. Learning what the would will tolerate. How to pre treat the would if you do it, all using air dried versus kiln dried. There's a lot to it. But I've seen some insane. Ben's that people do when they know what they're doing. So I I would think it perfectly possible for them to to make that bend. One hundred eighty degrees into two portions I don't think that should be a problem at all. Bent lamb nation is of course. Another option you you saw the would into submission, and then it will take just about any shape you could possibly want. Laminate need a band saw ideally, if you have a planner or better yet, drums standard to get those little lamb nations nice and cleaned up, and you put them all together with glue between each layer. Your shape and you're done. You mentioned cutting from a solid panel. That's my least favorite. I mean most of the problem I have with that his green direction, so if you have a panel where the grain one runs, one way, and you've got an arc. That's making a hundred eighty degree turn. You're going to have some week. Portions of that trim material where the grange just like directly across perpendicular to the material itself. It's going to be very weak. It also probably will look very good always better like when the green actually can follow shape you're making. Tends to look better in its stronger. So as a alternative to that in easy way I think an easy let not not the easiest, but it's easier than some of the other methods is to do a segmented. The I was gonNA say segmented ring. It's not a full ring, but you basically break up the shape into segments as many as is required for you to to connect a bunch of straight boards with miter cuts on the ends to Kinda build the shape, and then once you have this rough thing together. Then you take a template or whatever it. plopped that on top and make your arch cut out of it. So you know most of the time I think. If you look at like millworker or something, you're probably going to see the segmented version done a lot of the time. Yeah, what's Nice about that? Is it kind of like? It's not perfect rain continuity as it goes around, but it's definitely better than the panel method. At least you'll find that these each one of these little segments is kind of tangential to the ARC. So it's pretty darn close to following it, and for we always talk about this. What's the average person see when they look at it? It looks correct to them. If you if you do, the piece cut out of a big panel I think even the average person would look at that and. It looks a little funny. Something's weird about that, so those are the four ways I can think of to do something like that. Am I missing any? Did you guys can think of? Now, I mean working for a company that has been workhouse that does a lot of per Golos Arbor's and things like that out of Western. Red Cedar. It's all well first of all. It's all done on CNC, but what's done or the individual parts? Are Cut we use a lot of bridal, joining to instead of MIDAS to pull them together. And the big difference with being cut on the CFC's sees actually smart enough to cut the arc at the same time, so you're gluing together into an arc rather than going together and then sawing the arc after the fact. But I mean CNC's. Be Smart Energy to do that, too. I prefer what you're talking about. Mark because it's just easier to just kinda. Round it over. But miter joints work bridal joins work. I've seen even more complicated stuff again when the CFC's do doing all the work, but yeah go to a commercial melwork house and it's all segmented together. Because again, the whole is a lot stronger talked to the Romans about the barrel vault and the Archway, and how incredibly strong and arch is right I mean you can have joints and no glue, and if there are symbol together in the weight is down on the top. It hold together till an earthquake comes along or four. Full Dog. Got One of those. I got one of those two. All right well. That's it for our email. Show a little bit of a short one here, but we'd like to get some of these questions out of the box when possible Shannon once you give them the contact info and we'll get outta. Here sounds good mark. I'll do that. Would talk one. Okay. Have Questions? We actually do answer them every now, and then we do this show every now and then so cinnamon, and in three or four months we'll get to your question. It'd be great. Go to a talk. Show Dot com, you can fill out a form to submit your questions there, or you can record a voice memo and email it to talk show at GMO, dot, com, or find us on facebook, and Instagram or talk show all those places you can also find us individually at Matt. Cremona would whisper and renaissance woodworker. And you know it's a Q. and A. Show, so there's no defining call to action for your social. Social, homework so what I want to know is what have you bought at the dollar store? For your woodworking. Good. Send us a picture of your dollar store finds because. I just forgot his name now, who was it? Eric brought up some really good points now I. Want I want more dollar store treasures, so send us those and Hash Tag. We'll talk for seventy six. Cool. Thank you for listening everybody. We will catch you next time. Bye Bye! Goodbye to you. To you.

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Matchmaker Matchmaker...

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I just usually get temperature track on you, aren't you? Okay. Okay. Guys. Are you gonna cry. I'm not gonna cry. I saw a star is born last night and I'm not fully recovered. Like I will say, I'm going to get into like my highly overreactive over emotional responses to movies, but it is the most like emotional reaction I've ever had movie. It is absolutely insane. I think they're gonna win all the awards. I think Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga are two of the greatest talents of our generation. I'm not getting this movie. It's just it's so incredible. And I knew that it was going to be sad. So I want alone. I literally said, if you want me to come with you, I would love to come with you. And then I just see Instagram stories of her at the movie theater without me. I was like, oh. So I decided to look at seven pm. I literally went out to get a salad and it was like, you know what? I'm just going to see it tonight. I'm busy the rest of the week. I'm dying to see it. So I just want by myself at my favorite movie theater in these village. And I don't know if you my movie style is it's a lot though cuddled up in like a blanket scarf I need to be fully. I feel really like I'm going to save space. I sat in the corner like. I started crying ten minutes in like the second. She starts singing the second. Her mouth opened, then they're falling in love. It's this incredible love story. I was in tears. I'm like, shouldn't be allowed to see movies in public. I now what does somebody recognized you? You should only go see movies like where most people take their mistresses. Like to the Upper West side, we're nobody needs to start seeing movies in Harlem. This is not okay. It's not a good reflection on our entire audience was niece village. What if somebody saw you? I, I cried all the time I cried every movie I've ever seen if there's anything even the slightest bit emotional, happy sad. Like I don't go on dates to movies unless I'm super comfortable with a guy like we're in a serious relationship because like they can't see like they can't see it and the mental breakdown that ensued after the movie too. I will come this morning. Ashley had like Google screen shot and swipe up linked. Every article about this movie washrooms me notes her instruments where he was like thirty slides. I was like, oh my God. What happened while I was sleeping last night and telling you that everybody feels this way the I've got so many DMZ. Can you please talk about this movie? I've is. I'm not going to give away any spoilers, but people are like obsessed and then the soundtracks, the soundtracks, incredible. So you like watch the movie, you get your heart ripped out and then you go, listen to the soundtrack. I was walking to the studio today. Listen to sound drug was had to turn off because I was getting emotional. Okay. Well, until Paramount Pictures rights as a check. We're done promoting this movie. I will remember the day I die. I don't care free promotion for Laycock Bradley Cooper also Bradley Cooper directed acted and sang in this movie. It's insane. It's an insane movie. Rain is telling me to wrap it up guys. I know you wanna hear this. Give people what they want. It's best movie. I'm not okay. Okay. Well, I'm gonna make you happy cry right now. Oh my God. Okay. Avenue announcement to make say it. We're doing it. We're really doing it guys. We are announcing the girl's gotta, eat holiday spectacular in New York City on December eighteenth holiday spectacular. It's going to be the best show we've ever done. Lay those. Just to be clear that sleigh like us LA. Why sleigh bells ring are you listening? But we really liked to make these live shows a huge event. Something really, really special. So we're doing a great holiday show in the heart of New York City on twenty. Third at the Gramercy theatre, it's going to be really, really amazing. I cannot hype this enough. We've so much planned rain is going to wear a red ball gown. Tally everybody now has to wear like a Santa suit or something like that. He's like. Santa's leave his text on red, leave his jingle balls on blue or doing it. I'm so excited. You can get your tickets. They're now available. You can get them through our website at girls gotta podcast dot com. We're gonna put it on Instagram as well as the you guys can swipe up by tickets and you can also get them on the Gramercy theatre website or in person. You can go there and buy them as well there on twenty third and park. Yeah, so we'll and go from our website, but think they're going to go fast. So we're not just saying that we know this is going to sell out and you guys are going to be Dina's asking us to create more seats in the theater and we can't. We can't. And just you guys have an idea of how star tickets sell out. Our last New York City show sold out in five days. I overdid Caroline's five days. So yes, December eighteenth week for Christmas, everybody comes flying from out of town. You want to be here anyway, greatest city in the world during the holidays. Rain is still Jewish, but I love Christmas, nobody love Christmas more than fuckers, a man. You can't have you wanna moral one, sit on his lap so bad for the sexy, Santa like the Chippendale Santa's here to sell their lap time. Oh my God. I'm gonna work. Christmas steam, laundry. Okay. I can't keep telling people. I just decided I'm going to have Alfred changes like it's my wedding. Okay. That's all I'm telling you. Okay, I'm just going to give up on waiting free to. You're gonna come up from under the stage. We're going to be suspended. Flying today are the fucking Broadway musical. I one of the dancers spin me off and on the stage. Dancing performer seeing live shows, though guys, the updates you've all been waiting for. We just got back from our to city world tour. City world tour. We told you guys, we will give you a full download of Atlanta and Nashville. So here it is. I just gotta Sam top. I loved these shows. I loved the crowds, and I loved the people that took care of us at both of them and gosh, so incredible city winery in Atlanta zanies in Nashville. We miss you fam- we love them so much. Couldn't Jane care of us better. When I say better we, they just gave us a lot of food now a hall, which is all really. Nashville this around and took us all these cool places. And I mean, it was just it was phenomenal, phenomenal. And I just wanna thank shout out and plug all the people that participate is with Atlanta. We had comedian Neil ready. We had triple res a friend of ours and also just wanted to give a shoutout to lace Larrabee and Jared Harris who were special guests. They have a podcast called American couple. It's Larry's. They're hilarious. Like to be in their presence on stage. You're like, what is this couple? They're an insane a couple couple goals. They stood there and just like stole the show there this amazing mix of comedy and actually really good relationship advice. Yes. Like you may. They're, they're the second best couple. You guys know the heterosexual version of me and Ashley's lesbian. Right? Exactly. So just give them a listen guys. They just started this podcast. They're interviewing other comedy and funny couples, and it's called American couple. You can find on itunes wherever you find podcasts. So we'll do a swipe up on our Instagram for that as well. But they weren't saying, and they are another podcast. You guys can listen to about relationships, but anyway, you to talk about. This show a lot of things happened in Atlanta. First of all, we went to do soundcheck Ashley left me at the venue for, I don't know, ten minutes. I walked out the door into punt city market. If you guys know Atlanta is a great shopping here. I had spent four hundred dollars within ten minutes of actually. I was like, I can't believe I'm going to leave her to her own. She knows actually, I left you in the four. Like I can't believe I did that item meltdown before I thought I lost my wallet. Rain had to pay for me, whatever. And then I just left her there. I can't. I can't believe like what kind of friend of mine leave you in Sephora to your own devices? Not okay. I walked at it literally bankrupted myself within ten seconds and actually leaving I, the show was great. It couldn't have been more that you still had to buy new elephants in Nashville. If we were not supposed to, I gotta go shopping. I'm like, upset. Did you not just go shopping. I think all the the most common thing she says is probably go shopping. I go shopping every time. Your podcast recording. Let me go shopping. I go shopping shopping. It is you shop more than anybody, I know, but never have anything to wear. Like literally, I'm wearing the same outfit for twenty years, your closet. I don't wanna see it. I've seventeen bags on my floor ready to go. Good. Well, I've been like trying to take all week and it was after the show actually went out. I went back to the room and turn out the lights. We're sharing a room in this particular city. I'm really super sensitive to light and sound. So I go to sleep for like an hour actually comes home and I'm like wake up because just I don't know. I'm very sensitive to those things actually goes into the bathroom, and I don't hear another sound ever an entire hour goes by, and I notice I keep checking my phone. I'm like how much time was dead? Silence in my mind, I'm like, oh my God. She's. Dead, like Ashley died. I wasn't concerned enough to you in bathroom, but what do you think? I was just in there, cutting myself, like slowly in the bathtub. In my mind, I just assumed that she's dead in the bathroom. I was too tired to actually get up and check. You're like, well, if she's going to do as I start hypothesizing, like, what am I gonna do with my life? And she's day like it's just over. I think it's funny that you laid in bed and got upset about me. And when you could've walked over to the bathroom feet away fully thing. I'd rather sit here on stay up at night, then get up and check on her hypothesizing. I was like, what skills do I have? Like I really going to breakfast food. That's like, I love blowjobs. Yeah, breakfast and blow jobs. That's your new Lysol blog, a blowjob giving chef. That's what I'll. That's what I'll be. I could see it if you die guys. Listen, I had an issue with my dog. The dogs that are it was fine, but I did have to figure it out. So I just went to the bathroom and I was in there on the phone texting and also just taking third strap, selfish fees. I put on like little cute shorts and was still wearing my crop top from the night. And then I took a glance in the mirror. I was like ten girl. Just like sexy, MIR Salvi, Instagram, and I was like, all delete these by the morning. Now they stayed twenty hours. They stayed there. I post that again is the TV too. So that was why. That was why quite how many photos did you take the I will be dead silent like holding my breath about the faint taking photos for like twenty solid all honestly, only took two. They were that good luck. You in my hair, my makeup. Yeah, it was great. Did not die. You looked find it. I have looked him good. And then from there we went to national like we said, amazing people, we, we went on keel in Bristow as podcast. You can actually listen for that tomorrow it coming out or off the vine, but Ashley had like signed up to live in Nashville within thirty seconds of landing. I still miss you Nashville. We Nashville is just one of my favorite cities. I loved it so much and like we cannot say enough good things about zanies the venue and the people they took insanely good care of us. And as you guys know, we brought left open for us. We had an amazing is our guest named Joe cya car. He's a dancing waiter slash celebrity wedding planner. He was very funny. He's just really funny guy. He was on stage with us, but you know, we were staying in the house with it was just me right and left and. I mean, I noticed a little flirting happening, whatever I was trying to it and is trying to get her to go to sleep one of the night. So she finally last Friday night. I was like retreated to my bedroom like twelve thirty one and like I wake up at three to go to the bathroom. And I hear like a Reagan's flirtatious laugh. It was like she is really waiting this out. I've really, I waited it out and he liked decide, I realized it wasn't going to happen. Go of stairs again, bed. I'm like, all right. Well, this isn't going to happen. I get in bad, and is soon as I get mad, I got a text from him. Oba good. Hey, still out and I'm like, oh my God. It's happening. I'm like, yeah, without my charger for my computer isn't Ashley's room. If you just go in there and get it for me. That is the biggest blue ball I've ever heard you wait. So hook up with the dude till three in the morning. You finally give up, you go to your room and then you get a use still up text and he wants his charger. I can't handle this. I feel so bad for you. He comes up stairs and a pair of boxer shorts, and I'm going to towel, and I'm like, just take off the tower and just do this just like throw down and do this. And then I got nervous and they wanted to actually through room and I was like. But the next night we were the house and we're getting ready for the show. They put us in this really great condo right next, the comedy clubs, that was perfect. So we're getting ready for the show and I hear lev command. He's like rain onwards, the toothpaste. She's like, you have the toothpaste. I gave you the toothpaste. He's like, I don't have a Raina, whereas sensiti he'd like to call it the brand of the toothpaste. And she's like, I don't have the sensiti and he's like, where's the sense? That Iranian? And I'm like, looking back and forth like following this, like argument go back and forth. And then rain was like, if you can't find it, I'll give you a blowjob cure. She goes again, setting up vets foot, like work in her favor, no matter what. Ashley's chasing us up and down the hallway. It's going to happen. Job got added into the mix. I'm like, now I'm really invested. So he finds the toothpaste and he's like, found the toothpaste and then rain a yells out. I don't time for a blow job anyway. I'm like, nailed it. But also if we didn't have time like we had to go. So it was perfect. Like you're the talent we had to go to. Our show loves opening for us and you were like, fuck you on time for a blow job anyway. Joe by Trump moment. Here's your damn toothpaste. And then I had this cathartic moment where I got on stage national until the three hundred and twenty people that I just gotten rejected. It was nice. Oh, it's the best and like to talk about it in front of him with all those people is really fine. Like he's like, watching this all go down. He's like, what is coming out of the row? So Nashville was amazing. And then I left came back from New York. I was sad the whole time because I mission MS Nashville, and you went to DC for a wedding, dad. My third city on my world tour. I, you didn't try to grab the mic at the wedding. Do apply fogcast when people we're like giving speeches, I was like, just give the do a bit like. Like I don't actually was asking me like these are like some of my lifelong friends at grew up with in Pittsburgh. Just the best people asked me that issues like people I sent her like it's so weird to me like do this comedy podcast because like I don't know, like people look at what I'm doing on there like was she funding in high school? Actually, that I was like, where you funny because people thought I would think of me as funny growing up and stuff. And I was wondering if you are because you're civil areas. I really have no idea. I think I was very interested to Opole did a poll at the wedding. I also just picture you grabbing the Mike at the wedding and be like. What do to what I try to Nashville, and then Mike wasn't on. I know because right light rain and comes out on stage in Atlanta, and she's like, what's up in the crowd of wild. It was so much I'm gonna is just thinking about it and someone captured on video and she tried to do the same thing in Nashville. Mike. Just fixture you at the wedding, what's up DC? They're look what this is a wedding. I get up and do start doing best. You're like Tucker, funny in high school, who is the Shushi kinda slutty. I remember her being funny to the girl, the big boobs sledding Trump's funny. In high school had two people were my MIO remind that's a home. I sang. So I get to DC. I immediately go shopping of course a minute I lay out. I get really cute outfits. I got this velvet skintight jumpsuit for the first night. I just looked so fire with like all Michael jewelry, I get to the rehearsal dinner, and you guys know that I was so excited to see this guy that I slept with at the last wedding. We've been talking about it. I'm immediately told that he is not coming to the wedding. I honestly, I already knew this clearly. We're not going to pretend like we don't talk every second of the day, but like my heart just dropped. Even remembering that that is the worst feeling like that's the worst like viewer expecting these, the one you look so great. They're just not coming. I know it's so bad. So I'm like, all right, nobody deal like there's a thousand guys in DC. Oh, my excellence here I'll text him. Now you don't enjoy company? It was. I was drunk. So he, he texted me as soon as I got into town. He saw my Instagram story being in town. He's okay. What are you here for? And so I responded with, I really missed you and I thought we should get back together SOGA and to which he had. He knows me so, well, he responded to somebody still your phone. As he knows how little of a chance there isn't. That was such like a fucked up emotional game to play with somebody. He knows. I don't want to date me either. Like neither of us want to be with the other person. Yes, like we're good. We're actually just have a nice casual positive relationship because yes, so it's crazy. But anyway, some at the math arose area, I'm like, okay, like I'll just, I'll just throw unto my axe. It's no big deal, like whatever. So I like. What are you doing? It's like I'm home. I was like, oh, I'm really tired if you wanna just like maybe a drink on your roof or something that would be really fun. He was like, well, I would, but my girlfriend's here. Oh yeah. I didn't know he had a girlfriend. He's like, but not definitely not a good idea for us to hang out. And that was like, I mean, he wasn't like my girlfriend's here, and if she wasn't, you come over. He was like, have a good for him because what he could have done is reconnected with you and share that he still had feelings for you and then proposed to her two weeks later. Oh, that's just are luckier than others. Tries to be plenty of guys found plenty of ways to fuck. Fuck with me. He's actually he's a good guy, but I was like, okay, like whatever. And then he continues on my dog is sick. Could it has diarrhea and like this just isn't, and I was like own care that was necessary end of this conversation gone diarrhea, shut up, writing that in a text Hoppy? No. When you said girlfriend the conversation, ending my interest in. You ended at the end of that sentence Briley. Aren't you still shared details from your life? This is over, like, what did you do at the gym today? Like I don't care right. Talk to you, stupid girlfriend, but I will say is there is hope there are still some good guys out there. Yeah, good for him. Yeah. Okay. We have had a thirty minute intro, but one last thing before Raina shames, you guys into rating and reviewing and we bring in our guests. I just want to say this. I have it on my list of notes when we were in Atlanta during the show, everyone was trying to buy meet and greet tickets. Everybody saw and really mean we're buying them and then they were sold out dirt. Like other people were trying to buy them and we're not able to get them. This is happening during the show that people are trying to get tickets and add onto their existing ticket to meet us after the show. Because like we mentioned before these city winery venues, it's a little a little strange. You have to buy the two cyber tickets and NAT has how Chicago is going to be, and we are not sold out a meet and greet tickets we're telling you is right now you're going to want those stick. It's it happened in Atlanta, it's going to happen again. You're going to be sitting there the show, and we're going to be talking about how we're going to hang out with everybody afterwards and get pictures and get cell fees and drink together, and you're gonna wish you got him. So we're just gonna tell you now. Get them. So you're not stuck in this position where your DMC NAS, begging to us to go to the great. Thank you for doing that. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but like that truly did happen like multiple DM's on both of our accounts and the girl's gotta eat. If like I'm trying to meet and greet tickets were like girl, it's the show the show started. You should have thought ahead. So we're just telling you guys mean grade as ads. Winer is so awesome because school separate rooms. So like we just want to reiterate that it's a very cool thing that we do, especially these venues. That was my favorite meet-and-greet. We've done so far because they had a whole room probably like mingle with is and have a drink. And I guess, really, really, yeah, like the end, we love them all. We love me and you guys so much, but the comedy club, it's more like kind of come up and say, hi, we have to kind of keep it moving, but at city winery, they kind of put everybody in a room. So the girls were all mingling. We got like this really cool fund selfie were drinking wine. You can bring your drinks in there. It was just a really cool setup and I- interstate, that's what it's going to happen in Chicago, so they are still available. The show is sold out. But if you have a ticket, you can add the meet and greet onto it. You won't be left out in the cold. You can get on our website at girls, Gotti podcasts dot com. I have a separate link for y'all to do that. And at our Chicago show, my mom, my stepdad, my brother, my brother's wife and they're really good friends who we grew up with my next door. Neighbor is child are all coming to the show the whole fan. So I need total strangers to buy meet and greet tickets so that somebody can give me a hug for being disowned for telling blowjob jokes for two hours in front of my whole family. Right. 'cause after the show, Raina is going to be totally estranged from her family. So she's going to need some extra love. So do that for her. I got tickets yesterday to go home for thanksgiving and like it was a silly thing to do because clearly I don't need them. Right. Like you don't have a family after November. Seven. I come with you. Yeah. Oh, totally. Actually family so wonderful. Her parents and her brother texted me before our shows to say good lock. It was so sweet. I just love them so much world-famous Heseltine's anyways, guys, before we get started, I don't think you're off the hook this week. Please keep putting us in your Instagram stories. Tag us. We love reposting your stuff. Go on to itunes, leave us a rating, you know, I like to say it every week if I'm not number one on the charts with Ashley every single week, it's not because we didn't make a good podcast. It's because you didn't tell enough of your friends about it. Right. And I like how we had Lindsay last week on. We met at acme and the entire punk started skyrocketed up. The charts beat us. You're welcome. Lindsey is five ahead of us on the charts. I was like, shit. She really wants so grateful. And she's just like so overwhelmed with happiness and we, she was awesome is really like that episode two and speaking of gas. We have an awesome gas free day. We think really hard while what's a cool outside of the box topic to do is all you again right around this person. Star guest Booker actually at it's the whole podcast every week. So she's really pulling our weight. I booked our live show guest inventory. The world tour. But yeah, our guest Booker. So we were thinking what was a really cool idea for guests today? We're going to talk about matchmaking, so we are really excited to welcome to the studio today. Maria Africa tedious, hey, bell, Don on the last. I'm proud of you. Thank you. She gave me a really good way to remember her last name. What was it? I've got titties. I wanna think this. I don't want to say his name, but this when the kids in middle school called me that I knew it was a kale. Yeah. Before before puberty, it was Maria ginger Vitus because. Paying seem similar. It's like a child knew the word genius Biden a janitor or cleaning up my screed cafeteria. Oh my God that you're taking me back to like Cheeto land. He was cleaning up and I guess taught you saw my last name when my lunchbox and he's like, what is this? Ginger Vitus? And then all the kids picked it up and I was heckling you, you're going to mop in the cafeteria, do crew and also really quick rating you were, you would left the room. That's your maiden name. Mary Dame is he this crazy to my married name is period Texas. Your face up with you. This year reaction. Can you say hyphenated like here, you know, like saying, I'm sorry for all my phone name is on Facebook, Maria, Africa, cheetahs period jackets. And you're continuing to be heckled in the studio. I love. I'm so used. But anyway, before we get started, obviously we introduced that you are matchmaker. So where are you from? How old are you? And then let's talk about what you do. So yeah, I'm a fourth generation matchmaker and the owner of GOP match. A GOP means loving Greek. So before I tell you my age, I started my company when I was twenty three. Wow. And okay. So now I'm thirty three. And what's interesting is when I celebrate my three third birthday, I was kind of surreal because I've been lying that I'm thirty three since I was twenty three because who in the right mind would give money to like set them up with people. Yeah, and it was like, okay, now I'm the age of in lying about and maybe they'll just stay thirty three. We'll see. But yeah, I'm thirty three live, you know, lived in Chelsea for a really long time. And then my husband knocked me up and like a cliche when we were eight months pregnant, moved to New Jersey. And now I just commute in, but you know, we are. In the Empire State building, and I still come to New York every day, and it's good though. It's good swimming. It's a lot more fun than I thought it would be a little kiss and the Empire State found, yeah, you know the dream. Well, we really say to have you in our audience is really excited. We actually did an Instagram Paul yesterday about you, and we said, we have a matchmaker coming on to any questions and we were flooded with questions time. I know right now like, I hope people ask questions on what girl when I. Today I was like, should I tell my friends to ask questions? Because I'm really nervous. We're not at a loss for him. I can't wait to answer them. So we are excited. Talk about what you do and then the end of the show will do a fun little lightening around with you. But for your fourth generation, mash me for that is so maisy you must be filled with so much amazing knowledge. I think a lot of the stuff that that I've come into notices like I've really sensitive intuition. I also like read a lot. I'm very curious about behavioral economics and relationships between people and you kind of put this together and you know knowing how to sell hope is really helpful to go. Well, I mean your entire life, marriage and children. Yes, hope it's like that the whole package, it's an experience. I mean, and it was crazy when you get like it's not the wedding invites that really? Okay. It's when you get the baptism or bar mitzvah bar mitzvah us a little of your, give us a little street grad for the list stars. Like can you give us an idea of like how many people you married off? Or I don't know how people marrying off because like half my clients don't get married. Again. They've been married before because we're over fifty, but the goal is love. Yeah, the goal is love and I have we recently Catholic. I've set up over three thousand first dates, and what's funny to me is like a Kapros to be more, but we're good. So some of our greinke most of our clients enter really ships by their third. Or fourth, I ate. And so you can kind of like the interesting this. Some people take fifteen, I dates, but what's interesting to see like how many I sweep set up because I mean, how many restaurants we've supported in the city, right? Lounges bars, whatever adventures, just a lot of different experiences for people to join for states Taylor to the couple's personality, you know, who are your clients? It men and you match it with women women, how does it work? So we take on both genders as clients but for different programs. So we take on more men for matchmaking. And the reason behind that is we used to take on way man, we took on for nine years and. Eventually, it just got too hard. Women just change what they're looking for quickly when they hire a matchmaker. But then we had this other program RTD dating refresh program, which is a type of coaching program, which I mean every time a woman does this. She's in a relationship within three months. We and the success rates between both are insanely high. So for matchmaking it's ninety three percent success rate and for coaching for the dating refresh program for women, it's a ninety percent success rate. So ninety percent chance you'll be in a really ship in the next three months. That's kind of how we work with the one. I've only seen two instances where it wasn't the one where they broke up and the interesting work. Whereas when I did actually is like, can we go right now? Well, we'll get to that. I was really interesting and I want to talk about it a little more after we divulge into your business, Lamar, but the difference between the way that women and men date on my goodness and the thing that they look for and what makes them a good partner. I think that's so interesting. Different partner, different programs for different sexes. Yes. It's also learning how differently wired the genders are you have said this in a company with your podcast episodes and the one thing to remember, I think mine verse complex mine, not even that I'll actually bring more about one hundred gathered society like men used to be the hunters and women were the gatherers. And obviously, you know, now our foods and refrigerators and supermarkets, and that's where we shop. But it still happens right when you go out if a woman runs into another woman, how is it going? I love what you your shared. You get it where you get your purse from. It's like all this information gathering is being exchanged, and then you know, men's each other, it's like more exotic execution-style like where you going, we're heading to walk with you. You know, it's not. Could you imagine a guy meeting other man? Like where did you get those genes? Like that's just a weird. Way of gathering information for a man. So that being said, by the way, this is like a really great dating tip. I noticed that when women and men are dating online, they just talk different languages. Men don't wanna do the ping pong conversation. Just wanna get on the phone or just go on the date and women are like, so Where'd you go to school. Yes. I'm like, why are we small talking? Are we going to beat up or what? And that is a really great strategy to getting into a relationship. So older, you know, it's like maybe ten years ago. It would have been a little different, but now I'm just like, oh my gosh, like cut the chitchat. We always say, we don't like to fall into these like Penn Powell like scenarios. Yeah, it's just like, what did you have for lunch today? Would you do? I don't know you, let's not create this false base for a relationship. Knowing these tiny little facts about somebody like what they like on their sandwich is not a relationship. So it's just like, I think that you're prob- was funny and you're like, let's see if we buy. Let's spend two hours doing that and all the back and forth a little bit too sense of humor. She's like my number one thing, so I got to see if we're by being there like, I can kind of tell if the guys you tell a guy if a guy has the same sense of humor you. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I guess I've learned that way people text and talk in in text and on an app or whatever it does not. Totally mean that's who they are. And the reason before you ask me like how I even started doing this, like. Like what is my match story and and the truth like so like the short story is obviously I'm a fourth generation matchmaker. The long story is, is that long. It's that okay. So I have a superpower and that's super superpower is one being retired to strangers in credit report really quickly, but to for some reason, strangers immediately telling me like their secrets within like three minutes of meeting me. And I noticed this when I was a lot younger that this was a reaction for a lot of people, and I've been able to utilize that to establish myself in in this in this way. Right. And when I meet women like you who are able to market yourselves, so well, especially like the gift of the gab, it's just like, oh, no, don't online date you should out and not with each other. Yeah, I think it's really good for some people. I understand that like a lot of people to be in an office all day long. And so there isn't an alternative might our show, and that's why I understand the people. Turn to matchmaking totally worse because you're just like, I don't know how to meet anybody or like what I did auto bar after work her and I are fortunate to we work in hotels. We work in not in the rooms. We don't work the rooms, but we work in the good news is. Took me thing. You know, we just wait in the lobby till our clients come in and then go up to the room. That's what we do. That's how we work in these hotels. You sitting in the Attala just like baiting men to pay me. Let's just, but I mean, no, I don't. I don't. I don't like the apps. I've never had a successful relationship from the app, so it's not like it's not my preferred way. I think we just have to address it because we have a digging podcast and obviously. We need to talk about that with you like we do so. But yeah, I think grain and I didn't even do, you know. So we did this whole episode. I'm meeting man of the while because that's what we want to do. But let's not really talk about either because we're talking about, actually, you know, you wanna know like the type of people that come to you or they're kind of like at their is guys that don't have time. Is that people that are just like on their final leg of hope, these kinds of things. So I would say half of specifically for match-making where we predominately take only males for matchmaking. I would say half my clients are the kind of people who value privacy. So celebrities CEO's professional athletes. Doctors professors like they just cannot use online dating is not an option like you don't want your patient to see you on an app. So the half of them are people who buy their parts. The other half, which I think might resonate more with your audience is the people that are too busy. So I feel like it's like have Goldman Sachs, but right, that's what happens. You have men who come into the city right after an internship, and they're working sixty hour weeks. And when they go out for drinks or going out with their best me and maybe they'll meet a girl or whatever, but that's not the problem. The problem is that these men are working way too hard. They're not going on quality dates. They're not meeting the kind. Of course they wanted to me and they have come from a different city or town from somewhere else in America or an ex Pat where all of their friends are married with kids at twenty eight or twenty nine, right? And they feel like when they go back on Christmas. Or when they go back Hanako whatever. You know, give me a thing. Skiving Easter, whatever. Whenever they're back with their family may see their high school friends just doing their lives. That's when they contact us. We see a big spike with people signing up the Sunday after holiday after hun. They'll visit because people, especially those gentlemen, who were, you know, they work these crazy hours that just does not allow date. Okay. That's my clientele right there. Okay. So have a field for the clientele and then what's the, what's the process they come in? You sit them down what they're looking for? Yeah. So I, you have to apply on our website and the same goes for women. You can join our database. Applying is free. And then when you have a new website coming out? Yes. So in a couple of weeks after this airs. Our websites just creating new programs for our members, and we're really excited about that. But yes. So after someone signs up, we would then call them in for an interview, and we talk them for a couple of hours if they become a client and to become a client, it's not just a matter of, you know, one of the us us, it's a matter of do we mesh well? Do I not only have the women that you wanna meet, Duar personalities match enough that I want. I can stand you for the next six months because essentially the client relationship, but I have as Maria is I'm your big sister even though you're fifty two. You know what? I'm going to big sister you and I need to have a comfortable with you. 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And you know, why does somebody maybe say I want one thing, but they're super compatible with somebody that is exact opposite. And I think Tony people were like, who is right for me like what is my right match? So like it's probably super loaded question, but what do you bring built for? Yeah. And they're doing wrong, like all, I guess that all kinds of levels. Right. So first of all, it's learning about the chemistry of you. And that's actually a seminar that I host every month to chemistry of you chemistry. Yes. So you know, we send out a newsletter every month on the fifteenth of the month. And if someone were to sign up in our database this week, then we get the next event invite for that. Okay. And so there's different levels of learning what is compatibility and what happens for a lot of people is that they don't understand what they need to be communicated to in how they communicated to when it comes to love and gratitude. So have you guys ever hundred like the five love languages? My Gary Chapman, I the way I broke up with somebody who is the most out of touch emotionally person I've ever met and he was like, you know, we just have different love languages, and I was like, what's here anyway. So here's what happens when it because I do believe in that. I think that the first time I read it, I was like a change by life. Yeah. And then when you really people don't know about it by now with lady Elaine, what I mean, the two books I I make all of my clients read is the five love languages singles edition by Dr Gary Chapman? Yeah, and attached by doctor Levin that. Book own my God, my husband like a month later, no, but we'll put swipe ups for people again that and I just to break down what the five languages are, because there's different things that people need in relationship. And so this breaks down the five ones that different people need. So correct me if I'm wrong, but it's touch. It's verbal affirmations. It's time spent it's gift giving and acts of service, right, right. And everyone. And what's happening is when ends up happening is for a lot of people when they meet someone and they tell their friends, they go my God, it's so refreshing. He so different than anyone I've ever dated. He's incredible. He just like we're just a whole different level. And what reality is is that that person probably has an extremely different love language and because it's so new, you're being communicated different way. Your brain is being scratched in a different way. It's nice for like the honeymoon period, but that is usually going to torpedo into a massive disaster a couple months later because you are not communicating correctly. You're not showing your gratitude the way that person needs to seek gratitude and appreciation. So these are like one of the things that I think makes a good matches sharing or be talk. The other person's love language, but sharing is just like so much better when you have that kind of bond. And then of course attached. So one third of men in Manhattan or not dateable. Okay, they get into this. I think this is also really like, why are these men dateable right. What are men looking for? What the fuck York, or is it all major cities his at LA Chicago, ooh, or the role Lonzo I wanted to learn male race. I were a single woman that is between the ages of twenty seven and forty two and I wanna have kids. I would not live in Manhattan. I would by the next ticket to Denver Saint Louis, San Jose, Seattle. These four cities have way more men than women. Remember we talked about like hunter-gatherers more same concept. So whenever you have a situation where there's way more women than men, what ends up happening is women compete with each other. It becomes more sexually driven. Manhattan is a great example. This Miami LA. You have situation where men have haram and they can just do whatever they want. You don't like how I treat you by. I'll just get the next woman that swipes. Right on tender. Yeah. In those other cities because going to Seattle, one of my favorite cities love it. Have you ever noticed how hot the men are there? Yes, it's because there's so much more men than women and I'm talking about percentage points here, but more men than women ratio is compared to New York that now men are competing and Seattle is one of the cities that has more monogamous relationships happening. It's weird to have. Have a person who a woman who is single there because there's just an availability of men who want to be in relationships. I mean, it's just it sucks to hear that because I sure I wish I could see your face that we know this. We've talked about the time we talk about even Chicago, obviously, Denver, like it's it's a shame because like we are going to live here and like to me, I think also I want a super dynamic guy that like loves New York City, and he's like, moves fast, and he's the same thing. But you think for me also, we just can't. We're not raining. I need to be here and I, I met someone and I'll tell you how I met my husband. I totally use my own advice, but I imported him from Boston. Yeah, that's not the first person that actually has told us with another gas on the show who's getting married a second time. And she said, when she got divorced, she started going to different cities to meet man. And she, she met her now fiance in queens, but still work. But she was like, she come on. But I want everyone to what you were saying. You said a third of the Madam Manhattan are unbeatable on a lot of our audiences in Manhattan. So why is that? Okay. So to reference like my most favorite episode ever from girl's gotta eat the sex and the city episode. Listen to all the, I thought she was gonna reference sex and the city. Well, she is I but show I spoke to doctor Levin who wrote the book attached about this, and he just gave me these really great examples. This is years ago. So there are three tashaun styles essentially, right? One is secure. One is avoided, and one is an English 'em anxious. And a lot has to do with like how your parents raise you, how they dealt with problems in front of you and how these molded you as adult mom. And from there you internalize this and this is how you react in adult relationships, and there's a lot of science behind this. I don't want to bore your readers but your listeners, excuse me. But the one thing that doctor Levin said to kind of explain the differences between the attachment styles is he Usak. In the city as an example. So let's go to our favorite relationship, Miranda and Steve. So Miranda is a little anxious in kind, but not really. She's in a void in personality where she kind of avoids conversations with him. She, she just has a certain percents more voided, but Steve is secure, man. And as a result, he lets her thing like the first couple of seasons. He's like, you be crazy. It's so fine. I'm here waiting for you. It's okay. You can be crazy. I'm right here and that's the hero type himself. Those are the most dateable men in Manhattan. If you read the book attachable to recognize who he is from a block away. Then you have the other relationship of Mr. beg and Kerry now this is the most classic New York City relationship. And Mr. bake is an avoid impersonality a third of New York City man or avoid them personalities. And I think that was like a statistic based on New York. I have to look it up, I guess, but Kerry is the classic anxiety or Sally and avoided an anxious person. People excuse me, avoided people and anxious people. They are attracted like magnets and it's that will they won't. They whatever one watching this relationship happened by the way I remember thinking like, could this happen? Is this real, who would accept this? I can literally think of one hundred people I've met in my own lifetime who are in these relationships who Mary Mr. big and still have that kind of drama, which is just exhausting to think about, you know. But then there's a situation where you could be secure type and you're meeting someone who is secure and you just don't have this sort of drama. You don't have these issues and Aden wasn't a great. Example of someone who is secure who's made anxious at some point by Kerry turning into an avoid him because she was cheating on him though. You know, it's a lot of things there. I will say as crap as some of my relationships were before my husband, it changed me a lot in terms of what I was looking for. So one of the exercises that we do with women is teaching them how to look for that person. A lot of women don't know the cabbie Larry of what they should be using to find that person. And I know you'll love this one. They're done with this exercise. We make them right on a postcard, and then we have them go to the new York Public Library and find a book to put it in. So it's out there in the universe. So sorry to your public library, there's like hundreds of cards in like book saying, I want a man who will admire me and respect to me and have high integrity, and it doesn't matter how tall they are. It doesn't matter like I've seen women reject matches for me because I can't wear heels with him. Who cares? Because at the end the day, God forbid knock on wood. If you have cancer right. Think about the kind of person's going to be in the hospital with you holding your hand, do you think his height matter. I think it's like you don't wanna fuck them though. Toby sexually track to break up one. I'm not seeing that. And then can we? Can we back really quickly why I'm just curious. Weistein you ask me, why are what I slept with somebody? I'm just curious. Sometimes we have sex too soon for the relationship, and I hate to tell someone went to have sex because you should be comfortable. We episode on this and the one thing I have noticed is that if you don't experience the range of emotions with your partner and then you have sex before that happens, it's very, it's very hard to mould the kind of behavior you'd like to see in that relationship. This exactly what we're right on point. Why we did it episode of this of like you should feel this certain way before you do that. I'll give you an example like some women say like, well, how do I get him a call me every day? And I'm like, well, have you guys had sex because you've had that doesn't matter now because that was the cookie. That's what we're saying. Like get to the point you want to be at like, yeah, exactly. Great example. If you want to call you every day or weightless call and you every day before you give it up. I let see somebody behaving in a way that they're not perform. For you. So somebody that's just being themselves. So that is after work when they're stressed out or when they're having a fight with their sibling and somebody that's not just putting on their best face for you. And I think sometimes when you sleep with somebody before the emotional side catches up with it, there's this disconnect where like this one way, this person knows you so much better than pretty much anybody, like I mean, I don't know how many people most people slept with, but they know you in a certain way better than anybody. But in the every other way, they know nothing about you really. And so there's a huge disconnect between those two sides have you sleep together right away. I mean, listen by sleeping by the way. I don't mean like you can go full room needed stuff, just don't penetrate yet. Give it a minute and for the women that are like, how do I tell a guy? I want to wait to have sex. My friend, Michelle said the most, the best advice she said. She said, when you meet a guy that you want to have sex with, but you wanna wait, you say a one way to have sex with you because I think this is I want to explore with this is, but b I just want you to know that I'm good at it and see, I'll let you know when I'm ready to have it. Okay. And I was just like, wow, that is really good advice, but you sandwich something like really kinda like slutty and hot in between like rational at the front. If that's like, I'm not a prude just so you know, like I'm going to blow your mind, but I'm just I'm ready to blow your mind. Yeah, I know by the way, just from listening to your podcasts and like being here today I honest to God, think Ashley is going to meet. So one of the next three months, I really, here's what happens. She's not me. I remember this was like two days ago I was listening. I think to like the previous episodes in the last one and I was like, oh, my God actually is going to meet someone. I think I know who it is. I think I'm going to set you up with someone. Yeah, yeah. It just kind of keep them because I was like, why don't I think this is like a month ago when they called me like why. But you had said something and it just kind of resonate. So I think like, okay, when people talk about matchmakers it's kind of like a superpower rate because I have extremely sensitive intuition and get a good read on people. I could tell you why someone a single wasn't twenty seconds of talking to them and I've tapped into that. I really appreciate that. And the one thing that I've always noticed is that if I want a relationship to, if I want someone to be in a relationship, it doesn't have to do with everyone having their cab light on and having that, you know, thinking like, okay, it's going to happen for me and. Having that positive attitude about it, but it's also about understanding like their values and their lifestyle. And of course, like other stuff you've talked about. Love language is an attachment styles, but so much of what makes dating into relationship is having those shared values. And those values is what translates to marriage because you're going to raise your kids and those values. And when I hear people breaking about politics now or about even like their in laws, it's because there is a problem with the value paradox, let's say, and you know, having that sort of platform of understanding who you are, who your parents raised you to be or what your parents lacked in that and what you're fixing about yourself just kind of helps you align the stars to meet someone. I remember when I met my husband like I must have gone on the world's crappy estates for six months. I was treated like I got ghosted earlier that year by someone I was dating for two months. I had to find my own closure and it was extremely tough. But the I will think him on one thing. It just kind of jilted me and this is what we do in our dating refresh programs as well for women. Think of like your world is an actress sketch. And what we do is we kind of just shake you and just start doing the lines again, and we'd start fine tuning, thickness. We try to find different ways to do this, but that's what I did to myself and. How it my husband. I think this is like the best advice I can give you is I reverse engineered house going to meet them. So I took a poll like who is who are five men that I admire married or otherwise, but I can see that they're good partners. It's not enough to admire someone like, oh, I admire Elon Musk with. That's bullshit. Like someone who's a good partner, someone who a provider, someone who has strong work ethic, someone who would never even think to hurt their partner like that's not even like a verb. So I found those men I knew they were, and I said to them, if you're going to go out to a bar with your friends, you have to invite me for the next three months. That's just you have to do this. And I and I did my little exercise to like what I wanna ma'am. Twenty five characteristics. I went to the public library, put it in a book and then literally nineties later, my girlfriend's husband who I told you have to buy new bar. He's like, I'm gonna bar in Boston. I'm come. Ming with you? I took from New York City shut up what Amtrak to Boston. I raised it with a client eating there and like I knew that this look, I believe, bird's feather flock together. This question would person. That's why you meet people at weddings all the time. You know, guys like people your, you're right. Yeah. So I went to Boston when I when I was there, I had a thing in mind, right? And I saw this man waiting outside for us, and there has been like eight guys there, but I just started talking them. My husband like we was funny. It's like my husband. I wasn't physically attracted to him when I first met him. He knows this. So I'm not dissing him or anything, but like. Katie's episode. Nope. You look different than any of the guys dated before, and but I remember when I was talking to him, I remember thinking like, oh my God. I'm having such a great time with this person, and I always tell every client of mine if the whole purpose of a first date is to figure if you want a second date and I knew I wanted to see him again. So I found a way he did not know how to flirt. I found a way to get him to ask me out so that he feels like he chased me and we went out the next day, which was not we need. We definitely need to hear what that was can't just so what's funny is I still live in Greece and my husband is also Greek and. God, he's really bad. So my husband's a lab rat, he does. He just like, does not know how to flirt. So I knew he liked me like, tell that he was a trade and why wouldn't he be right obviously, but he I remember saying, like so wearing, we're in Greece, or are you from? Oh, I'm from this island and I'm like, Schumi on the map. Okay. I'm going to save it. And if I'm ever there, we'll go for coffee. What's your number. Number, and then he's like, text me or number and I was like, okay, and Texan. I always whenever I give someone my number, I always text him a photo of me. So they remember what the hell I am. Okay. So I text but has to be a funny photo has to make them laugh. So I was texting my Twitter bio photo, which is like me with a teacup like, yeah, and he wrote back your cute anyway. So you asked me out and we actually went to vote right now already know which one you should send eating. The me with the big tank. And the girl's gonna eat shirt. It's right. It's literally it was. I didn't even think I was like posting at their strap on Instagram, wearing a white t shirt. Every guy I've ever met ever started like deeming the texting me back down by what is happening. And then after he was like, it's the picture, it's the victory. Yes, exactly. Well, I think a lot of people wanna know like what makes somebody a good match? Like you said he wasn't physically what I wanted necessarily your mind Bill, Alex. He's like the cutest our like, no, you level up. And so what you're talking about is chemistry people have this like insight. I hear it in the office every day, and I want like rip out every single hair on my head. They're like, you know what? A great time. I just didn't feel chemistry. Give it a minute, man. You were on a first date and I don't know how you guys sat with each other. If you're not ladies, you're on a date, you better sit perpendicular or next week, other bar. I will same side with anybody that same side. I don't know what your date went like, not to have chemistry on paper that you guys are good, and it always deserve the second date. I like this advice because I always say, like we today, we expect our partner to be everything to us. You know, in the in the in the one thousand nine hundred sixties didn't ask that of our partner. And today we want our partner to be our our best friend and our cheerleader and the person that motivates us. And it's like sectioned easing partner, all these things you want our, nobody's going to be that on a first date. You're not going to be the either on a first data as a great point, and you're not either by the way, I know how I convinced him into on and and it's and I do this every single day. And as I say to them, tell me about the last person you had chemistry with this person, David. Okay. And what happened with you and David? Oh, we broke up after three months. Why did you guys break up? Because it was like a started off like a roller coaster. It was like amazing. Yeah, that's what happens when you have like straightaway chemistry on, I say the sexual attraction, I need a fuck you wanna see what you know like you, but I think that's my best girlfriend Cates always like, actually just go out with the guy like the one. The only thing that matters are you having fun? And I'm like, I know that, but a lot of times that's not the case that really is like, ultimately what I'm looking for. I think rain and I both of the same way like we just people bore us easily. Like we're very high functioning dynamic people, I think, and we really need somebody that can keep up. But then maybe we're describing is you need someone to this. What I mean by like when we tell women how to help them teaching vocabulary, and what you're describing is someone wants moves was intellectually curious, you will in just it's a sense of humor thing. It's like, do we have the same? I would. I have with everyone went close friends is like, do we have this similar banter sense of humor? Or if not, let's pretty never going to fake laugh on a date. I'm not. We have to be on the same page, and that's the first thing that. I can't go anywhere past that. You know, we're we're, we don't get each other. Don't all the same since humor. We're not able to do the banter thing. Doesn't go past that. So what makes somebody a man or woman want to go on a second date after the first date you get the download and then like what happens? Right. So we collect feedback after first and second dates and tween the first and second date. The genders are split on why they would want a second date or why they don't want to second date. So for men, it's two things. One is when he when he meets the woman within the first fifteen seconds, he thinks himself, could I fuck her? And I don't mean like, we'll, she let me it's more like, could I physically get my penis up to have penetration sex with this woman. Yeah. The sentence, and if the answer is no, it doesn't matter how awesome that I ate was the will not be a second date. Right? But what makes the guy I want a second date as well as the second part, which is a little bit of ego, booze. So if a man does not remember where you work sometimes or how much you make, or you know how many siblings do you have whatever, but he doesn't remember how you made them feel. And I feel like if you're on a first date and you ask them questions and you look interested and you kind of show his ego just a tiny bit and he's attracted to you, you will have a second date made a my Angelo quote. You know, I know this, I used to work in restaurants. I worked in Virginia Meyer in like the quote was on the wall, and it doesn't matter what you sat or where you were. People will only remember how you made in my l. she knows what she's talking about. It's true for men. It's a lot of feeling, whereas women look at different things, they have the lists. So for them on the second date or even the first day they look at this psycho list. Okay. Is he Jewish? Where does he work? If you're Jewish woman? I need right. With the same religion as he this certain height, what kind of job does he have? How much money does he make like they have this crazy lists and if it's not fulfilled which might not matter in reality, then there might not be a first level on the second on a first day. A woman just wants to see. The physical attractions a lot lower for a lot of women for most of them on a first date. So for women, when they go on a first date into one a second day, they obviously have to be physically attracted, but it's a lot lower. The standards are so much more lower than it is for men like some women. No, they'll grow into physical attractiveness. But they also kind of chase, what does the future look like with this person? Right. And it's just a lot different than they do think about, you know, okay. Where does he work? How much does this make? What is my life look like? If I ended up with this person? So it's just from coming from really two different motivations for both genders. I think we all know this, but even just to reiterate, it's like a woman can grow into physical attractiveness. Totally guys, just gap guys aren't cars out here, like man, Ashley's like not hot, but she's pretty cool. Talk out there than ever. That's never never happened. I've been doing this for ten years. I must have set up over a couple of hundred men that's never happened with women, though he could be five. She goes on a date with him and she will Email me the same. They, she won't even win till the next morning. We'd be like, what's your date? And she'll say, oh my God, that was amazing. We connected on ABCD f g levels. Another thing that's interesting is also how the feedback happens. So I know when my. Clients are going to end up with that person four months before they now. So when they give me feedback after the date which is like so different then like, oh, why didn't it work? Or why disappeared like that doesn't happen with people, right. I can tell you feedback from your date and what ends up happening is if a guy, especially gentlemen if they Email me feedback that's way more analytical, even if it worked out well and they go to second and third date, maybe it'll go up to like two months, but if it's of motion feedback, like the words, they're using our lung more emotional and they're telling me like, okay, mock break. You were brilliant, and that was awesome. And here's why just a lot more charge emotionally even if the date was okay, that's the person they're marrying. Yeah. And I know you're way ahead then my clients do, let me is what we look. She was hut. If there like, say something emotional, you're like, well, you're going to marry her. So you're going to say that she was how bowl, say more like, here's why I don't want to go with her right up to ever happened after a date. And we joked about a couple of times. This happened where like the feedback is so wildly different from the two people were like on these dates and like the one person is so end with the other person like never call you again, you're like, was I on the same day? I feel like one of them. One of one of the most frustrating things about my job is this kind of feedback where someone will write this was the best date I've ever been onto story. Just happened to me two weeks ago. This is the best date I've ever been on. And the guy was like, I don't wanna see. I had a good time, but I don't wanna see me. Okay. So more male, female. Is it more? A girl had fun. It's good to eat. So what? Because I'm going to stay in my professional expert. Sure. I wanted to see once it haunts me to this day. It was one of the one of the best days of my life. We was one of these marathon dates. We met for drinks. We went out for dinner. We went to bar to bar. We were like making out and they want to day in one day. It was like a like an eight hour days. We have no hunting to drink minimum maximum. The maximum I'm for state that we really really vibe in the way we really sitting with each other and our body language made a lot to talk about. I wanna see you again. He just had a relationship in twenty four hours with you. It's too much. Yeah, I'm too much. No, you're not. I didn't say you're too much that was too much those day. Those kinds of things by the way are fucking. Awesome. They make you feel good. It sexy, you might end up what sex at the end you get to see someone's penis. Like there's a lot of things that are like really great and that kind of marathon date marathon dates don't usually work. Okay. So I love the you said that and maybe that's I want a lot of these. Maybe that's up. Through your hand up in handicap in the middle of the day, I just need to learn to go home. So here's why Tonto Jayme as they kind of. As they don't. You don't have to say to my man, I I have something to do after this. That's all. That's like the worst thing you could say to a man shooting tomorrow morning. I have to wake up. I know having great time. When is a great way to segue. Second date, if you're driving, is that the ninety minute Mark being life? I've having a really great time within I wanna see you again. I want to go. I need to go home though, but when are we meeting? And that's okay. For wound, ask a man. You just like raised your eyebrow all the way to your hairline. I, I understand the it, but then it's also like everybody wants that romantic first date where you like really connect and you just stay out on it and you just don't wanna part is, but I guess a lot are. Those are great for if you want to greet for state, but on a second date and you wanna relationship, you just have to look at different motivations. This short day Liv is this more? Is this like a psychological male thing, leave them wanting more kind of thing is that we gather tiny. We still live in that is just the. Environment has changed and you need to adapt to it. Okay. So the last thing I want to cover with you that I think is really like interesting questions about it is like what you men report that they want a partner like initial up front qualities versus what women say is that language really different different? Yeah. So what women asked for is he needs to be tall, dark and handsome like so cliche, but I literally have twenty-five thousand women in my database like eighty percents. I'm asking for the same thing and like your feet tall. He does not need to be six foot two, right? Because I'm out here five, ten just want five, ten and a half. I'm five eleven and I tell them, I go, could you imagine if I said to be six foot, seven, just like what you're saying. I want you to feel protected, no, or like to wear my heels, you're going to give up a good guy just to wear a piece of heels that are not going to be wearing two years from now come on, but women, actually, I'm surprised that women report physical characteristics. So they always report physical and they'll say, like he needs to. You know, be a hard worker. He needs to challenge me needs to be okay that I'm independent. Now, these are the comfortable. I'm attracting the my office, but I love my women. Like I think there have attract really great members into our database and great daters and all that stuff. So I'm not that worried with men though. It's like, that's like the shocking part is I think a lot people are like, oh, he must be looking for a model if they're paying Marie is high end fees and their CEO's or celebrities. And yes, some of them are looking for models, but some of them are looking for women who are conventionally attractive or Kirby, or shorter or taller. In the matchmaking world, it's not the same as fate world. So like taller men, they usually want taller women, a tolerant. If he wants a woman who shorter, he'll just go to a bar like he doesn't need to come to me and pay my fees for that stuff. Right. So what they do usually ask for is not physical looks at first. They usually ask for the, it's like it's crazy. 'cause even if he's twenty six or sixty two, they say the exact same things. My office which is like she needs to have a passion. I don't want her to just like one or wait around for my life. I, we talked about last week. We actually we're gonna pause dating staff, and we're going to talk about jobs Steph. The girl had onto the best thing. She said, if somebody asked you for pre-nup, would you have anything to sign for? And if it's no good your head down, go to work and I love that. And I think that like it's true. I think it's still smarting interesting what you're finding a passion. This is like men are asking for this every man. I know like every doesn't you're so right. Does it matter if it's like my brother, who I think's the most amazing guy in the world to like the some trash bag of guy. Friend, I have. I think they have like a winning talking passionately is like the bottom it turn on. Oh yeah. I don't know if they want like super crazy, feminist politics, two, but like that's a lot of men wants something panting dog. Yeah, I was thinking volunteer at a shelter up passion. They're looking for a passion. And then the second thing is making him feel good on a date. So I read said this before, but it just, you know, she what does that mean? Is she emotionally intelligent? And they actually use these words in my office. And I'm like, shocked. Don't she? Can she show gratitude appreciation like I don't want her like take her to the Caribbean for a nice vacation and her not say, thank you totally guys. You're dealing with action like they wouldn't imagine why they're saying this to me. Like usually whatever the my ask someone, men or women when I ask them, what are you looking for in a partner? And that's just our office four times a day minimum. For the last ten years, they always the first three things that come out. Come out of their mouth is whatever they're missing from their last night was a woman does. He needs to be honest, oh my God, you got cheated home. So sorry, but you're like these men. Clearly you're dealing with men that have money and status and power these things. Clearly they've taken advantage of in some way by some pass relationship, and they felt like they may have had like a gold digger situation or they felt like they did a lot of things for some wasn't appreciative like broke off engagements after a pre-nup. Like there was a pre NUP situation where no one was signing and through like, well, I'm super millionaire now because my success is to make sure that you didn't meet me at this bar because someone whispered. You got that, right? Yeah. And that's another reason why a lot our clients hire us is just like, you know are no. When you go on a date through me, I don't tell you who the client is. It just give you like a little blurb, but nothing Google and this way you kind of going in there with open cards. You're not trying to be a facade to get this guy, you know? So just to, you know, it's very different. The genders are just wired, really? Do you feel like you see a lot of people that what they're telling you they want, you're like, oh, Honey. Now. These tell this, like I tell my clients, I'm going to be your big sister even if you're like fifty, five, but tough love tough, no nonsense. I feel like we're all my reviews online or like Marie is no nonsense, and it's true because I always tell people you're going to tell me what you want. But I'm an also use my own experience of like what works and we would love to have you here for the whole day by. We're going to wrap up with a new segment that we designed for you because we got so many amazing questions from people yesterday to ask you Vincent excited at the same time right now. So let's just do nothing you say is wrong with you. You are the expert. So we are going to fire questions that you were going to a lightning round. You have thirty seconds dancer each question on my goodness. Okay. Don't be scared. I'm not scared. I'm gonna time this rain. Time Nazi. Okay. What is too big of an age difference for combat compatibility reasons if at all? Obviously, there's case by case basis where it's like, wow, these people are really aligned in the first couple I think about is a mall Clooney and George. But generally speaking, I would say maybe up to twenty years to firms eighteen, but look, I think the average should be twelve. Okay. But maybe I go up to twenty. What age the person is at. Right? So for twenty year old that there's a different answer to that question than thirty year old. Yes. So I think if you're over thirty five years old, then we can talk about twenty year differences. Okay, but if you're under thirty, let's maxed out at ten, twelve. Okay. Next question. What is essential to talk about on a first date? Oh my God. You only do this in thirty seconds. Forty five essential. I love it when people talk about their days, not what they do. So talk about what you did last week and on your date and let that organically slow into the next conversation about what you're planning to do the next weekend that usually could toss them on a lot more about you and your lifestyle where they fit in, do not San dates how busy you are just say, this is what I do for fun. Let it speak for itself. Let let yourself sound busy. Okay? Okay. So second part of that, okay. Sorry, I'm late in the second part of that. What is it? Good first. Date activity. Okay. So you're, I think you're asking the wrong question. I think I can be anywhere because you can meet someone and just go for drinks or coffee even. That's fine because it's not a lot of pressure. I think what's important is the second, because that's what cultivates into a relationship. That's that's the springboard, right? Because the states the ladder up, right. It's like an, it's springboard, and the second date must always being tippety. Never go on a second date. That's not an activity, right? So like a walk around central park going wrong, timing in Brooklyn. Go bowling. We. We do a lot of activity dates at are like constantly we're doing in our office and or if if you go to Pocatello bar like my husband took me, do. Mixologist and learn, you know, taste taste different vodkas or to kill us, like make it a fun game. Okay. Next question, is it true that we're tracked to people who look like us? I think I think the more you date someone, the more you begin to l'amour you know, parents like totally look alike. Now. I think my husband and I look like now, yeah, started throwing them because we have the same. Like reactions to things? Yeah. What is the biggest indicator of long-term compatibility? Sharing values. My gosh, an upgrade way to do that is if you're wondering what should be on your list is ask yourself kind of what are the characteristics you would like the future father of your kids to have her future mother of your mother kids to have make that list, and that is the list should be looking for a partner, and that is what's gonna keep you together. So values and relatively shared lifestyle doesn't have to be the exact same because you grow your own lifestyle. Oh, my God. Values are just so important. Orderly. Does dick size ever come into play professionally. Are women are women like, I got a big happened. I've heard that twice in my office. I can tell you about the crazy meetings. I can't tell you about all of them, but like, you know, I've had one guy asked me if I can do to dominatrix who had cage him on the weekends and not let him eat, obviously take him on his client, but I was just like, okay, that's in that exists in Manhattan. Got it. The one third dateable medicine. And he was like a high-powered politician too. So I thought it was really funny. What was the? Do people ask that Dick's twice to freaks out there? I don't. I don't think it happens a lot. I think it's kind of understood that you want someone who's gonna be sexually compatible to you by the way, there are women with shallow vaginas totally wanna meet men with small penis. We're talking about those. Okay. Next question, go right now. Do you believe in the concept of love at first sight? I believe in Los effort site. Thank thing. Love is something you build into. And if I could segue into this about my company's name, guppy match. A copy means love in Greek and Greek. People have thousands of phrases for love like the eskimos have thousands of routes for snow, but we have five specific words for love a GOP on condition like the ultimate love right arrow says, erotic, love, lust, Phileas, friendly, love story, which is the love that a parent has for child and last, but not least. And I think you'll notice this in a lot of your ship is Mugniyah and that's mania. That's bad loves so agree. People have a word. Word for bad love. Oh, so have you ever been a relationship where you'd like you kind of love you love this person, but can't stop fighting you wanna like pulling your hair out yet mania. That's not a gobbly. Right? And the only time it feels good is when you stop fighting the good times feel so much better than on average good time because the shitty time pulling you through and it's a really strong love I want to wrap up. I wanna. Thank you. The lightning around was off them. Yeah, I'm so glad that I want to wrap up. I want to tell everybody where they can find us think where you were going to be so excited to learn more about your business and we are going to put in our Instagram story, swipe ops with the books. You mentioned your website, all these things. People can find you, but tell people where they can find you great. So you can find me I'll be sent Instagram or Twitter at as matchmaker, Maria. You can also find me on my website, a GOP match dot com. That's AG a. p. e. match dot com. And of course, you should absolutely join my database. We do not match only New York City. We have affiliates all across the world that we work with every single day. I personally talked to sixty nine makers every single week, and we would love to set you up. Eventually if we can also we have a lot of events in adventures happening in the new year. We wanna sign you up on those things, but we'll tell you more about that in our newsletter. Cool. Yeah, yet chuckled website Seinfeld newsletter. This was so great. Thank you. As always you can check our website for upcoming shows. Don't forget the holiday spectacular December eighteenth you can get tickets. Now, Chicago is sold out in November, but you can still get mean meagrely tickets on as we are awesome to meet and greet. As always you guys can find us Instagram at girls. Gotti podcast, keep putting us in those Instagram's stories. Anything else does I subscribe rate review and we'll see you next. You know what Reno wants you to do. Girls five-star come on. Okay, guys. Have a great week. Thanks guys. Bye.

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I Regret Nothing

Girls Gotta Eat

1:00:27 hr | 2 years ago

I Regret Nothing

"The crazy all you have is high heels to walk home and ran out of the house like the horror movie like the killer is in the house. Like, I ran into the streets. Welcome back to another episode of girls. Gotta eat. Welcome back coming from a super secret location. I don't want people to think we jump studios around all the time. Like on the slide. I'm like, that's not why people think you're. A secret spooky location for Halloween Halloween guy. Happy Halloween week. We'll get to that. All right here. We get to that this episode of girls got to eat is brought to you by ritual this week traditional multi-vitamins or doing women any favors so ritual reimagined one from the ground up there. Essential for women is to daily capsules made with nine essential nutrients most women lack whether you're living life or creating at why not add some good looking science into your daily routine. Visit ritual dot com slash g g to start your ritual today. Okay. These vitamins are so cute. We'll get some more and talk about more about them later, but I've taken them. That's what I'm looking for in a multivitamin. Cute. They came. And I was like, oh, wow. Really stuff vitamin game up. We'll talk about more later, hashtag fashion. Virtual dot com slash g g get your vitamin on. Okay. So it's just us today. I am. So glad. No. I love our guests, but they were really Crepeau much style. We start this podcast about ourselves. The last three weeks. I've just have not been able to talk myself enough. We went on Caitlyn bristowe podcast off the vine. Hopefully guys have heard it was such a blast. And we were listening back. And we felt like it was so funny. And we were like why was this so good? And then really it was about she was interviewing, and I was like actually we should just can't guests to come on the who just come on. Okay. Raina said, let's get people to interview us. I think you were joking. And then I was like owner. No, we're doing there's nothing I won't do for the show the limit does not exist. So we're going to start having guests on. Okay. Well, what do you have to ask us shoot? Wishing I prepare this, Sean like questions about me. But. Like, we really have a lot of funny stories, and that's why I'm so excited to share some today. But yeah, we need we need to get back to our roots. Every once in a while, those guests just were not let me talk. All of us talking about myself. It's my best material. Right. So here you go Go's are welcome. All right. I'll tell you something about myself, actually. And I sold out the Gramercy theatre in twenty four hour. My gosh holiday show, December eighteenth is sold out. Sorry, while we got so many dams from you guys are crazy up. Sorry. He goes really booking flights without buying tickets to a show like we got so many girls. Really? I just got my passport girl. She got her passport was the craziest thing I've ever heard. So we are coming to you live from Gramercy theatre two nights in a row now. Yup. The seventeenth added a show. So literally if you want to get them right now like we can't tell you guys enough. They might be sold out by the time this soda. We don't know. We've no way to know. So, but yeah, we if you are listening and follow us on Instagram by the time this announcements made you will probably see announced a few days ago and Instagram. So, but yeah, we'll be doing two shows some for seventeenth eighteenth. We just wanna thank you guys so much. It's so flattering and people got in those tickets people are flying in from out of town. It's like, it's just hard to believe. Yeah. We're like say to spend the holidays with you guys and perform for all of you is holiday time on a stage. But yeah, you guys girls got eat dot com to get tickets for the show in the seventeenth. They're still there while you're on our website, you can get the merchandise while you're on the internet. You can leave us or review, and hopefully, you're doing this from your phones, you can go ahead. And just throw it in your Instagram story tag us up. Let your friends know. This is the best podcast. You ever heard be the first person to tell your friends about a new podcast be that person? What is that the quote like be light? You wanna see in the world or something? Smartest one amongst your friends to discover the best podcast in the world. So let's catch up Ashley, and I both had friendship weekends without each other and not even friendship weekends. Then isn't even a friendship. We if we're not together miss you so much it was so terrible. I was in Miami on tra- per free. But other than that, I missed a lot you weren't there. People kept asking me where you were. I know same here. I was in New York, but had friends. Visit me. Yeah. So we both really living our lives just separately. It was fine. How's your? How was it is fine? I drank a lot. I really did. I get really scared when you go to Miami. Like like, she's not coming home. Well, I was superpower vacation superpower. It also applies to guys that I like what I'm out them out with them. I can drink all night long. And I don't get hangovers. Yeah. We saw happen beach. Yeah. Litter and we're like in route to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. And then these guys start talking. To you're like, I'm she's back. Vacation superpower Amway like a guy when a guy owns down till five o'clock in the morning. I'm totally fine. So there wasn't a guy there. But you were texting with somebody nonstop my friends are so annoyed. I am so annoying. Okay. Well with this guy. We had like I really enjoyed talking to him. He asked me like a million times. Like when do you get back? What day do you get back Wendy land? What should we look like you got anything going on this week? So like, what are your plans? And I'm like, oh, we're gonna talk me out. So crazy, right? How many different ways? Yeah. Out to pitch this to me. And I don't want to be like a crazy aggressive person. Like like, you just ask me out. So I was like I'm not doing nothing going on the next time. I plans November fifth like just slide in there. Anytime that's available to you and hit me with. God if you don't have anything going on your board called me up. I mean, the fact that man, I am so upset by this. Like, what guy asks a million different ways if plans, and then gives you such like a hundred brushoff. Yeah. Maybe he's really about ask out. Maybe he's really likes to know people's schedules. Just doing this with everybody his mom, his his nephew his friends. He's like what are you going on this week? He's writing down. He's a Google calendar. Rain active like cultural study like what people have going on right yellow under your like a two. Literally set him thought she'd be busier. Yeah. Right. I should been like so crazy busy. And I was like I'll do anything. I got a board. All the time. Basically, sit at home all the time. Okay. I don't know. I'm wondering if maybe that's not the move. What I didn't say that. I was just you didn't know, and he was like if you're bored this week like give me a call. And I was like all I could born sometimes though, you weren't like I don't have anything going on in my life, or you did know. But one time a guy asked me every week, right? Every week. We have professionals come on and tell us to stay busy bee busiest personnel. One time. I did drop a really embarrassing lines. I'm guy asked me out it was like June sex news like what are you going on? I literally I don't have a plan till June twenty twenty-ninth it was the most embarassing that ever came out of never forget it. I do not cosign this no plans still June twenty-ninth, so humiliating. So anyways, I get back to New York and Monday night. He's like what are you up to? What are you doing? Are you back in town? What part of town. Are you in every question every I'm like, I'm on eleventh avenue. He's like inquisition twenty three to math event. It's over at nine o'clock. Let's hang out like on me. May not. I mean, he's so cancelled to me, I would be like this is not okay. This is so fucked up so that should transition into terrible story. Number two. I just want total of three in the intro. Just want to say, listen, I have a tolerance level up to a point. I liked to chitchat people. Obviously, I was at a town like an extended period of time, you know, my day. Let them know. I was back. And I don't know. I just I don't like a huge tolerance level of this pen palling thing. I don't care what you're up to care. What you did today, or like what was on your sandwich or what you did at the gym like hang out with me or don't like I'm not doing this. Okay. First of all, I just want to give a tip to our listeners. Let me know if you're board never go out with that guy. You know, like I understand some guys are they approach things differently summer shower than others. It would have been fine to say I'd like to hang out sometime. I'd hey, we should hang sometime anything along those lines. It's not ideal as far as asking for Dave. But it's better than like you. Let me know if you wanna hang out with me. Let's so bizarre. It's very defeatist today. But again, not everybody is like super confident now going so I was like all right, whatever I mean, if you're that low on the confidence totem pole like you don't want that guy. I mean, if you're bored. How old are you you middle school. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, look he's not like a bag IT reshot who. Absolutely. Well, he's tall. So do I like emergency just tall? Six four, you know, I like the tall guys. So anyway every week that changes last week. It was like you can't date a guy that told this week. It's like all right. Six four is my max. Okay. I'll tell you. Just made the cut. The guy that works with us in the studio. Oh my gosh. Okay. Hitting on the people in this room. Okay. Is terrible guys story number two. Right. As you guys will remember, I went through a spell of speaking of Halloween. I wonder spell of guys chasing me down on the streets. Finding me on the internet. Asking me out. I accepted the date and they disappeared. So. Oh, okay. Then they go Stu how festive Halloween on theme. We are really on brand. So I think we we did share the story of the guy that did. Chase me down. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. The him party out of. Yeah. And it was like gear number goes out and we texted for weeks. But I was the one kind of like, I'm busy. I'm outta town. This was like in the summer. This is August. And then he was like wool when we get back from labour day. Let's get drinks. I'm like sure he despaired he did resurface three weeks later. And he was like, hey, sorry. I spent a little time in Chicago. So I've been kind of MIA and he was like still loved to go out sometime. Like, honestly, I'm like whatever, I don't know this dude like that. He was seemed like a good guy to me. And like I don't care when I had to do. Maybe he had some sort of business thing, whatever. And so I'm like we shot the shit a little bit. And I'm like, yeah. Okay. And he was like can you have tomorrow? And I was like I can't tomorrow I plans with girlfriends or whatever. And he was like well, all right. Well, let's do next week that I'm like great never heard from again until until I ran into him at a party. With his girlfriend from Chicago. This guy. And I am I'm sitting there. He doesn't really know me. Well, you mean, he knows we're friends he knows your friend at the same night. He doesn't know me as a person hung out a couple of days like that's actually like best friend, obviously, really. And so I'm sitting next to him and his girlfriend who I have clearly put together is his girlfriend, right? And he is so uncomfortable. And he's like, oh my God. Like, what is this gonna say? Like, it's like dealing with like a wild animal like, you don't know. You don't look like a loose cannon. Totally and I was drunk because right price, you didn't say like, hey, so you've been talking to Ashley, right? She's like who's Ashley he was so uncomfortable. And we recap guys that dude was with his girlfriend or weeks. I was in Chicago for weeks came back asked me out the goes to be. But I I feel like we've solved the mystery like Sherlock Haseltine has solved. The mystery love calling. Ashley that. Now, we don't wonder like why he kept doing? All this weird SAF. It's of course. It's the simplest answer. He has a girlfriend. Yeah. You magic dating some guy long distance. And they just get back from spending time with you. And they're just like asking girls out like what the fuck. I can imagine it saw it. Right. She would terrible story number three. Now when you were in Miami I'd friends in town. Oh that story and I'll keep it brief. But I just like I wanna shout out girlfriends good girlfriends we were out these guys and couple of guys just got like super wasted obnoxious. And we're all at dinner. It was like a group of us at Jenner. And these guys they just were so noxious like starting to kind of pick on me. I'm not gonna give the details on important. But I was just like do come on. Like, you're just I I was like Lee alone. You know, like it wasn't picking on me. Like, insulting me. It was just weird little stuff. It's important. And I was just getting so super Noida and was just like do the super lame. The fuck alone like in front of everybody. I don't like when a stranger next, man. It was you not live, which is very bizarre. He kept like wanting to cheers like every five seconds. I'm like, I can I just enjoy my dinner, and I turn to my friend. My friend Jenny was in town, Jenny Jones love her and. She's like just ignore it. I'm like you. They're not doing it to you. It's really obnoxious. And I mean within seconds. She's sprung into action. She roasted this guy so hard. But her voice is so sweet and unassuming. He didn't even understand what's happening till he had been skewered. Like it was. So can't imagine her saying sweet little sweet because she's she's look sweet. Honestly, so on assuming he was just sitting there glade is glazed over everyone of the tables die laughing at this guy. Full rose. Didn't rise was happening till was over. Yeah. But I'm proud of you guys for doing that. Because I think some people just sit there and take it. I would never there's been situations in my life that I walked away from and I've been like why did I Alec allow this person to speak because I don't know this saying like it's so unacceptable, and I'm proud of you just like you suck this like hang to be here in. I'm trying to joy myself. This is my time. And I mean, yeah, I do it for myself. But it's clear that I was just like to shut the fuck up. You know, I don't have the sweet voice going for me. Clearly, but and then at one point I mean, he honestly took someone's wine. Import it on the floor of the restaurant. I was like I'm out of here. And I just like walked out this horrible horrible all date him. He sounds great. But Jenny Jones for the roast. I'm proud of you guys. I'm glad that you did. I I really I really do. Not like there's a lot of things wrong with me. But not having a sense of humor is not one of them. Yeah. And when a total strangers making fun of me, it really don't fucking. But also like it was clear that they it wasn't. So mean, but it was just it was very obnoxious, and they I felt like I was being ganged up on. And I just love that my girlfriend's like had my back. You know what I mean? Because a lot of girlfriends like don't wanna rock the boat, maybe your dinner with these guys. And you know, they've been buying strings all day and night, you know, and they just want to keep the peace and Jenny was like fuck though. So all right Halloween. We're going to check into the Halloween theme today. Halloween is one of Ashley's to everyone. I used to use that is drawing you got a lot when I used to podcasts have anything. No. I think the ghost thing was all I got. Yeah. I don't like Halloween as much as you. Do. You are like Queen of Halloween. I really do like I just I just posted some old costumes on Instagram for TBT. Yeah. I've really a huge Halloween person. I it's my favorite walk of shame day the next day. All right, though. So we're gonna tell her Halloween horror stories. Do you wanna go first what's going on? No. I want you to tell your story because like we'll go in chronological order will do like Halloween hookup and then like because I'm older pre older, and we'll talk about like post Halloween. I just wanna go in chronological order. The next day is the walk of shame day. Mine is a Waukesha to oh. I thought this is the Doering Halloween. It's a it's it is more about kind of the next day. I mean, I don't wanna give it too much away. Also started don't care get there. All right. So the crazy part about this story is that my costume was a walk a shame. I'm sorry. What what doesn't make up together last minute? 'cause I I don't know. I just didn't have any ideas. Dudes, boxers dudes dress. Shirt mascara smeared all of my phase heels and like a messy ponytail that was my costume. That's cute clever, and it was fun. It was like kind of sexy know like my bra was kind of hanging out, whatever. So I was I was in my early twenties obviously used to get super drunk. That's no big surprise. And on top of it. I just like needed glasses for a lot of years like didn't have contacts glasses. I was like what I'm saying. I was pretty once. I had drinks. And that I was like a blind person out at a party. Sure. So I start talking to this guy. He I remember he was an Indiana Jones costume. I mean, I'm just like sitting double he's just wearing like a hit like a loincloth notion. Jones's like he's kind of a man purse. He's got the hat. He was Brown. Did you ever go to DisneyWorld Jones little I don't remember stuff that happened last week? And yeah Jones's like adventure. He's not like Tarzan is that what you're thinking may. Superhero? He's like a like, a do, you know? What does he do? He like, he's a good one. Treasure treasure. The treasure hunter. Craig goes, of course. Outta here. Measure, and I imagine without a shirt isn't in the jungle. So similar to cartoon though. Or would they ever make a real Tarzan? Okay. Crags use school of me. I've been down. Our guests for the week, Craig? Fact checker so bottom line. I don't know what I'm looking at. You know, what I mean like, I'm so blind Android have been cars. Could have been Brad Pitt. You know what I mean? Like, probably what I was seeing could have been. So I go home with the sky, Indiana Jones, Tarzan, whatever go home in this guy, my walkaway mouth it so appropriate, and I didn't have to them for sure I would gladly tell if I did. I woke up the next morning. We hooked up. Whatever I don't really know. Exactly did a super drunk woke up the next morning and looked over. And like this guy was heinous. Like, I don't like to like ugly. Shame you, and and he was a four when you okay. I wouldn't give him a for. How what do you mean? It was so bad. It was the ugliest I've ever hooked up with so bad. Like was he fat? I mean, not like massive. But just like it was not a good looking person. That's all I'm gonna say. Okay. So I'm like oh God. Ashley, what did you do to yourself in the bed? And then I'm like scanning the room when my bad eyesight like trying to locate my purse, and all my things so I can like get out of there, and he rips the biggest art is he asleep, and I was like sores or in my life, and I gra- found my stuff I jumped out of bed. He stayed rain is laughing really hard wish. Crazy, all you have is high heels to walk. I ran out of the house like the horror movie like the killer is in the house. I ran into the streets. I was so sickened. This like pre Uber, pre always tell stories, and like this is prove or Uber Atlanta at this Zeiler Atlanta for people that are listening Atlanta. This is in Virginia highlands, which is good very cute neighborhood in the city, but not a place where cabs are running around. So I get home I called a friend, my friend backup. She lived in the neighborhood and we'd been out the night before. And like you've got to pick me up. Bring me some pants, and let's go eat. You know, like, I was not okay. Like to see the worst looking person you've ever hooked up with. And then he just like rips a fart on you. And you're trying to escape is so horrifying, and so we. We went to branch, and I was like recasting, and I thought that was the end of the nightmare. Oh, God Ono week later. Why does he approach mainly lifting? The gym recognize them recognize me. And he was a, hey, I'm the guy I'm tired of. Hey, could you see you what happened to you that night? And I'm like, oh my God. I can't believe the nightmare lives still. And you find me find me on on a workout machine. Like, please leave never went back to the gym and the gym. I risk that. I would put the gym. I would probably move that. Also like, let's have some etiquette here. Right. Like if we looked up together on Halloween like you see me on the street. Just keep walking, right? You stop Iran out of your house. Her my heels clock and leaving your house running into the street. I slept next. You didn't even wait wake up and say goodbye like if you see me on the street don't approach high five keep walking don't not even that. No, I contact. So that's my Walker. Shame store, and like, you know, just reiterate, it's so crazy that I was doing that in the cost to that's the best part of it is you actually dressed up as what happened to you. Dress for the job you want. Say ugly. Gotta get laid to. Sure for success. Okay. So listen the day after Halloween is my favorite walk of shame day. I will get up early in the morning. Do it day after Halloween to watch other people? Like, I'd rather get up early in the morning on November first then go out the night before it was a good call because it's such a pleasure. Yeah. Like, especially in New York. Right. It's because it's like walking city. Yeah. Yes. And I'll tell you why. It's also amazing. It's part of my story. So I went out for Halloween. I was twenty two. It was my first year in New York City. Yeah. After college and I dressed up as rainbow bright. Okay. This rainbow break costume. Okay. Slutty okay rainbow. Bright was a character. Like a cartoon when I was a little kid, and she wears like a like light grow blue address, barely cheerleader skirt style knits address. It's a blue dress. It's. It's Al fitted like the bottom of the draft and the sleeves with like big Lowry, white like poofy stuff. Yeah. And then she wears like rainbow leggings, and I wore like seven inch highly read plunder. He'll. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I looked like a hor- covered in like bright blue and rainbow. Right. So I go out, obviously. So leave work that night. I was a waitress at the time. So I leave my stuff at work. I go out with some friends. I go home with this guy. Also did not have sex jokes hooked up with them. But wake up the next morning and somebody else's apartment. And the only thing I have is rainbow break on did he rip apart? No. I don't know if you know this Sunday after the Sunday of Halloween weekend is the New York City marathon. Oh my God. You know this. No. Yep. So you wake up go downstairs and your Rabo bright caused Jimmy just gonna like stealthily just jump into a cab and just go home. Nope. Because you're on the street of the New York City marathon guy, lean people they're just like cheering people on running down the street and you're fucking rainbow. Bright costume. You're like, what am I gonna do all the streets were blocked off? You can't cross streets. You can't get a cab or trapped outside at eight. And brain, Bo, bright, costumes. What am I gonna go? My god. I don't even get laid last night. Like wasn't even worse that like I didn't even get the dick. So you're like unladen, and it's ridiculous outfit. So you have to like wander the streets start running with the race because you know, people right, right? Like, they run in costumes as part of my stick. You're like, I'm doing it for breast cancer gross. I don't work out this. So I like finally get into a cab. Oh god. Like this. Like this like total washed with like relief. Yeah. Thank god. I can just like go home getting bad. Thank god. But then I remember as I approach my apartment the Upper West side. I'm sorry. Upper east side, I left on my belongings at my job. Oh my gosh. Restaurant and they're open for brunch at Sunday. Oh god. I had to go to my job at noon on a Sunday in the middle of branch to walk in the door, the cost you this is serious. Yes, I had to get my boss to open up the office. So I get my house keys. Yeah. Walk back through the place maneuver, another cab, the New York City marathon to get home. Oh my God. I would have just like fucked the super for the spare key like I would've been like what is it gonna take? Like, it's not my most shameful story. I wish it was. But you know, it's up there. It's top twenty that is so wild. I remember running a race like doing a half marathon and seen walk. Shame. Because it's so early in the morning like the streets of Atlanta. I was like this is amazing. Yeah. Except for your in a costume that day, so embarrassing so shameful. I was really excited about this. This is so many elements of it. There's so many two parter really long intros episode is just supposed to be us being funny. Yeah. We've been funny. I don't know. I can't tell Craig Craig. There's two people just room sides. Neither of them are laughing. Hope you guys like this. What if it's no good? It's good. Okay. So our topic today is shame. Shame and regret after the Halloween horror stories. So yeah, we thought that would be a nice transition. I mean, look I didn't regret that hook up until like he found me at the gym. You know, what I mean years was a little more shameful. Yeah. That guy that guy I was at a wedding with him and his wife last weekend. Really? She still doesn't like oh that was like someone that you know. Yeah. Like long-term known, Mike. Also, you're just so lucky that that was pre like Instagram what that day. Yeah. Like, you definitely would have been like oh on this rainbow. Bright bitch the marathon. And then at my job he mashes like walking through patrons and brunch. They probably that you really get the entertainment. I looked like drag like a drag Brown. Yeah. And I was super cute at twenty two who doesn't have the sickest body on earth at twenty two. I mean, I just gotta say like. That's just typical New York. You know what I mean? Other things like New Orleans. We're thing is crazy to may totally like, no one probably batted an eye at you. That's actually that's a good point. I feel you can do anything. I don't know hangs attention to take an shit on the street like three feet away. Just keep walking. Yeah. People masturbate on the subway every single day just keep walking. Okay. 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Like, I think that people in the theme of the emails that we get is like women beating themselves up, you know. And I think we've touched on this in different top. Mix of like when you break up a somebody. You just wonder what you could've done differently. And I mean, we definitely got emails of girls being like slept with this guy too soon. I've slept around too much or whatever it is. I mean, I think of the day like everyone shot a study as like builds character. You know, I think we should all make a lot of mistakes builds character, right, tacitly, my all, but definitely the Saudis Saudi Saudi phase you slept with a lot of people. So then when you finally settled down, you just have confirmation that guys are so terrible in bed. I had like a bad sex in my life. I'm just humbly ochre a lot of mediocre sacks. But that's I think if sometimes if women don't have sex than guys, and then they like settle down and the to get married. They're like I didn't get out there enough. I haven't fucked enough people, and it's like, it's fine though, you're like average mediocre. Pound you insolent and the missionary position before you feel like you so droves, right? It's like it's enough telling you, it's not that great out there. Do you have a lot of shame and regret? No. I've done things that I like really regret. I definitely had like a slutty phase. I've definitely phases where I drank too much. Yeah. Lately, I've been drinking a little too much, and I've been like really beating myself up over it. And I had like a situation where I missed a work obligation. And I just like was so upset, and I could not let this go. And I was so mad at myself. And I mean, I guess you have Israel but younger, but like my thirties, and like I drink too much as night. And I really I missed like a really serious work commitment the next day at a really hard time letting go and stopping beating myself up for it. And I was in this deep dark de Paul, and I just needed to take some steps to change that. So like, I haven't been drinking that much lately, I think that like you have to let go of that. Shame just moved past the shame and just take the steps you need to make it better. You know, like, I guess you can sit at home and beat yourself up and be upset or you can just say to yourself. Okay. Today's day, and I'm gonna make different decisions today. Right. You know, and I really have been better lately about like drinking last going home earlier. I mean other than Miami. Have nothing. Terrible happened to Miami. I mean when I think about the drinking. It's honestly, I don't really live life with a lot of grads like my life is so maze. I've never been happier. Like, I think everything is led me to hear their stuff that I'm like could adult without that. But like maybe not because maybe if that didn't happen. I wouldn't be here. You know, all of that like everything reasonable show, whatever, but I truly believe that. But I think that the the main thing that I beat myself about drinking, and like you remember like that day like I met this guy out and I immediately Mets gonna bar in the wild connected with them immediately. Like everything about my liked. We just connected immediately. And I just had been drinking all day. Anyway, like it wasn't like I got wasted. I wasn't slamming shots where we drinking because a it took so long to find air conditioning. So when we finally found it I just start slamming drinks was that it was day. We didn't eat it like it was one of those situations where by the time this guy showed up I was on the verge of being too drunk. And like, then I met this guy, and we hung out the rest of the night and just capturing injury and injuring gain. And like, I hate it. I went back to his house. I don't even really. Remember it like this is not me. I don't black out ever at a used to. But not like in my thirties. I don't and I woke up I left at like the middle. Then I don't I really have. No, even like recollection. And the next day. I was like so sad because it's hard to meet someone you like, and I just would not stop beating myself up about it for me. I get really sad when I'm hung over. So by the next day. I mean alad need to do is go work out and sober up. And I feel better for me. I just need to get my shit back together. Again, Hyam I'm like bad. And I'm like God there's onto yoga, I'm fine. That's the worst. I've seen you. It was like, I can't believe I ruined potential guy. Like then. But I just had to console myself. I'm like, whatever what if I was perfectly sober or have just a couple of drinks and was perfectly on point on myself. And he still didn't call me ever. You know, like, it's just like, you never know. And I just you just being like, it's fine as fine. I'm sure it was fine. People exceed drunk girls all the time. And I'm like, I don't know. I just it was a bummer that I could have ruined something with a guy that I may. I have one date. Yeah. I mean, I hate when people say it's fine or like time will heal it. You'll move passing notice things matter in the moment. I know it's gonna be fine. A rational person eventually it's going to be fine in this moment. It doesn't feel fine. Like, that's not helpful guys. It's just I think now I'm just a little more cautious. If I've been drinking at a guy I start talking to some guy. It's like get a water. You know, what I mean like slow it down. So that doesn't happen again. And I think awesome. But whatever let's be real. I mean, I forgot about that guy by Tuesday. But it was just it was a dark Sunday. You know? Yes, you're very low and you beat yourself up. And I think that like, I don't know. It's okay. To like have a couple of hours, we feel really shitty and just like I'm allowed to forgive this. Yeah. I went out at fine. I did what was honest to myself that day nosing like meet somebody and plan for this. Like, I had fun. I enjoyed myself. It's I've talked up a little bit whatever that doesn't mean. I'm like a bad person or a stupid person or drunk slot. It's just like I got I went out and I thank. And it's over the thing is over. Yeah. Like that guy's never done that before like that guy hasn't made a million mistakes. Right. And I think it's just like wallow in it for a minute. If you need to you need to cry. Don't feel silly ever like let you know let that like shame earlier body. But I just my main thing what it comes to this is we have as people have got to make these mistakes. We don't make him again. Like, I think that's the whole point of doing things. So you'd learn to not do them again. Like, I look back on my relationships. And I can't even I'm horrified at some of the things the way I acted or things I said, I'm like, but I'm like, that's so great because now on ever do that again when like the real guy comes along if he ever does. But I just think that's the main thing of like, you have to be thankful that you did this thing that you regrets. You'll never do it. Again. You know, for sure I mean, you are exactly what you are. Because every decision that you've made. And I mean, I think that if you wanna like evaluate yourself and say to yourself like is a pattern or is this a one time thing one thing spending, our feeling bad about it move life. It was a pattern. Okay. Like, what am I doing pattern? And like, I think probably the most comedy what we get is like. Slept a lot of people. And I'm shamed of Ed. And it's like, okay. Well, that's a pattern could stop that pattern right now brain also forgive yourself for what you did. All right. So you identify something that you did that you don't like, it's okay. Yeah. Stop it. But I don't know. I think things women have trouble forgiving themselves, and I do really strongly believe that it happened for this reason in this moment, and you have got to forgive yourself. And you've got to be thankful that you made the mistakes. You don't make it again. You were talking about situation. You had with your ex where you were like what we were. We called it. Would you call it rage? Rain regret. Like when you just flip the fuck out. Yeah. It's not really it's not like a thing that I do very often. Like, I'm right. I I would say like I had a pretty volatile relationship. But I was like twenty one years older all the time and like I would scream at him. And that's the last time I ever had a relationship like that. I'm not a big rain regret person. I sort of do the opposite, which I'm also not proud of which is that I will avoid you avoid you avoid until I calm down. Because I know that I'm going to do those things. And I'd rather you just leave me alone till I. A little bit. Which is also not the healthiest thing in the world. But I think a lot of girls are raging regret like they have like, psychotic outbursts. And they're like who's gonna mean it and I'm sorry. And let me please. And I think that happens a lot and it takes a long time to learn her like control, your emotions, but yeah. And not particular situation. This is somebody that I really loved I was really in love with and we were having a pretty bad fight, and I flipped out and that I left the house and five days later, he broke up with me. And for the longest time, I beat myself up so bad on that moment. I myself like if you didn't do these things you didn't say these things you walk out the door, and then flip out like he wouldn't have left you. And the like in that moment. I was just honest to what I wanted to do when I being me, and I can't go back and change it. Because like I did what I wanted to do in that moment. And that was honest to me, and I guess I like did a little bit of like raging regret. But like how much you're gonna beat yourself up for that? He was I mean, he didn't leave me because of that fight right? And I kind of feel the same way. Like, I look back it a pass relationship one in particular where there was just so much fighting. And I'm like, I don't want this guy back. It's not that. It's not like, but at times back, then I did like the the first time he broke up with me. I was just like couldn't I on a loop of all the things I'd done, you know, and like heated terrible things to like this that I did maybe I could've done this could've done this. And like couldn't sleep at night and was just sometimes it takes a minute. But like looking back. I'm like God damn like, why did when I fell not moment. He pushed me to these points. And like, I also have grown learn so much like I'll never act like that. Again. I like, it's just I think you have to do things that you won't do again. I think unfortunately, like you look back and you're like, oh, my what she changes. But that relationship is over we definitely get emails from girls that are like. We don't even girl is one that stuck out to me particular. And she was like, my friend broke up with me. And we're fighting all the time. And he was saying he was gonna leave me. But I didn't give her would. And then he left me. And I feel so blindsided by right? Why are using the word blindsided? You just answered your own question. You were being insane person, you realize that, but like that relationships over, and I think like you gotta let go of the regret of that relationship and say next one I'm going to be better. Yeah. Nothing else. You can do. Right. I think so I think we we go through relationship after relationship to relationship and flock up along the way, and the partner FOX up and this and that to like get to that point of like, your this fully formed person that's fucked up so many times. And I mean, we were talking about this before like it truly does build at character. Truly just bakes you into a more complex person when you've had like ups and downs and peaks and valleys like in your life. Oh, yeah. I seek out friends that like I don't know that I'm friends of a lot of mistakes in their life. But I find people that have really struggled and have overcome things to be. Be more dynamic. And I think that that builds empathy and a person, and that's what I really like in a partner. And that's what I really like it a friend is somebody that like hasn't just had it on easy street all the time. And you know, I I've never gone through. Honestly, I've I've never had a real problem. My life I've gone through pain and and distress, but I've never had like a parent. I never been sick. I've never really lost an opportunity I really wanted. Honestly. But I've had bad things happening in my life. So I'm not gonna say like, you know, I've had all these terrible things happen at Bill character, better fiancee, left you. Yeah. That's feel very good. Thank you for bringing that very painful memory for me. Reminds me. Oh, my God reminds me of insects city when Charlotte's like my life is so perfect. I feel like I'm doing bads and carry goes shit your pants this year. I think you're done shit my pants before it was after he left me. So I wasn't done. Apparently, also, if you wanna hear rain 'as pants shooting story is on Kaitlyn bristowe 's off the vine episode with us the point is still fucked up time, and I think that like it at work with friends. Yeah. Obviously would drinking or sleep with. And it like every mistake I've ever made his lead meaty here. And I'm proud of it, and I seek out other people that are like that as well. And I just I don't know that I vibe with people that just like have been on easy street their whole life because they lack empathy. Right. And I mean, if you're feeling regretful or having shame or something that you hurt somebody else like that just means you feelings. So it's like a good thing. You know, like it's people that don't feel regret that you have to worry about. So I'd like something use it earlier when we were discussing the topic of like it's never too late to at least try to amend something or try to apologize or long as worth amending. Yeah. I'm somebody like writing like fester with me if I'm fighting with a friend it like kills me. Yeah. Like, I cannot think about other things eats me to my core fighting like a family member or friend, and like I will just let it faster. Void it. And then it gets even worse because you're voiding it. So the person's upset Andrew avoiding them. And it just gets to be. Bigger thing. Yeah. I've tried for a long time to be a better person. Just addressing things talking out the poison because all you do is politics and fall on your sword and people respect that so much more than like you avoiding them, right? When I think, I don't know. Yeah. I think sooner is better. But I mean, I also just think it's never too late to like apologize. I don't know. I had somebody say to me the other day, a girlfriend of mine were cool. You know, and she likes apologized me. And she wanted to make ends on something that happened years ago. And I didn't feel like oh my God stop. That's weird. It was years ago. I felt like thanks. This is obviously been bothering you long time. And I haven't been thinking about it. But I appreciate it. I think there's never a point at which people don't appreciate it. I think the only scenario is like when a guy cheats on you and comes back, and he's like, oh, this is our shot up. I don't wanna hear those care. Save your apology. I don't care. Yeah. But other than that like, I think there's like never scenario where somebody hasn't come back from even years later and just been like, I did this thing, and I feel really bad about it. And like I will. Always respect a person that did that is big enough to like fall on their sword. And be like a mistake. Right. You know? Yeah. So I think forgive yourself. And if it was if it's something that's been a pattern. Check your pattern. You know? Like, I'm the first one to say like drink too much. I used to get really low, and my mom was on. And I was like in my twenty s and my mom would be like, I'm just sad a lot and this and that and she was like you drink every night. And I was that's not at mom. She's like look up alcohol, Google it. It's like depress it like what is happening is. Because you don't what do, you know? Like sure enough, you know. So when I have been in what I'm maybe I'm out too many nights in a row, I just like take a detox like figure what out is going on. That's what you did. You were like what fucked up because of drinking. I'm going to not drink for week. Get my shit together your head. I'm also taking steps to make it more long term thing. Like, I'm not saying, I don't like Longa fucked up when I party, and I have fun. But like, I don't know. I don't I'm. Old enough that like, it's not even. Okay. Like miss a work commitment if you can't just be like oh drunk and now hung over. And like I didn't show up. Like that was a I'm somebody they'll beat myself up for a long time about it. So I have to get better at letting go, but I can only let things go and take steps to make them better. And so I did that. Yeah. And I will always do that in my relationships. And I thought about like what I want the takeaway from this to be and like how do we like package us up and wrap it up. Ooh. What do you got the message that I want people to take away from this? It's like it's okay to be upset about things. And it's also can forgive yourself. You have to forgive yourself, and like we've all made mistakes, and there's nobody on earth that has talked up. I've met that person. Right. And like, I guess it's fine to have those days where like you are really mad at yourself. But like okay identify what you're set about fix it. Right. And like, honestly, it's sometimes like I make a mistake. And I'm so mad at myself. And I'm like, well, maybe I made this mistake. So I won't make it again when it really matters even more, you know, what I mean? Yeah. Or like, you said like you are in that relationship. So that you could not make them in the next release. There's nothing that I sort of to be honest, like one of the things I really respect very little and a person when they will like constantly complain to me about something. And whether that's what's happening the relationship or their job or their friendships. They're just like set all the time about something or they got their behaviour. I just can't stand people. Just don't fix it. Yes. Just say this stuff's and thickset. Sure to listen to have done that. I keep doing that. Keep doing this. Okay. Let's talk about how they're not do that. We've identified a patterns anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I know. And I got my like third DUI good stopped doing pattern. Okay. Don't drink and drive. So what's about to happen is like so exciting. I have been so because I had about this actually had the best idea ever. I mean, let's talk about how it happened. Okay. So we were in Nashville, and we always at the end of our live shows we asked the crowd to talk about there. Is this weird? We send somebody out into with. I if you guys are coming to our live shows like get ready. Nobody has given us a bad one. Yeah. The bar is high have been so soft. I in Nashville this one of the girls was the most insane one ever I got up and like I mean for dramatic effect. I got off the stage. I went back into the green room like I cannot I cannot it was shocking. But anyway, they're amazing. So this thing happened in Nashville. How did you set it happened? I was talking about is this weird in general if anybody in the room didn't know the segment them did we're going to let was with us. We're going to send out in audience, and so actually guys let's just play the audio for you. You went to. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna place in the audio of how this went down. In nashville. So what we Email our backs that you date him. If she doesn't want him. So should we just? We'll tell you guys this top secret info, we're going to do an episode soon. Is this weird where they now and like touch base with the bunion girl? Like, we're just like, we gotta no. Or so excited? We're gonna Email all of them back and be like, so what's the deal? We get more DM's about the than anything. Wait. Serious. Wait. Are you really? Are you still together? I can't believe you're here. You're like a celebrity to us. Here. Okay. We don't know if you got meet and greet tickets, but you have one now so stay after the show. I can't believe on young girls here. I got that Email and actually was reading it to me, and I was like half paying attention. I was trying to give somebody in address to come find us. And I was like I don't know if I can wear socks. What you just said to me like pay attention. Okay. Wow. Oh my God. Swedish leave out the show. That's incredible police say after we've got to talk to you best is this weird in existence. Okay. I got chills. It was the best moment of any of our shows. And this is the thing we get the most emails about the most DM's on your bunion girl. You guys didn't go back and lets the, but you didn't listen to basically what happens is girl sent us. This thing about how this her man has like bunions, and he walks around these bunion corrector, always like, click Clack and on the hardwood. And so we made a lot of jokes about him getting socks or her carpeting her apartment. It was just it was it was the best. It was the best podcast. Those are the last eight months or whatever. So so actually big idea was like, okay, we should check in with these people because like it was such an amazing our lives we've had to beat her. We were like, okay wonder we like, bats girls. Julie. Girl. So actually, I was out the other night and actually took it upon herself Email all of these people. So we present to you. Is this weird where they now excited? And a lot of people were very generous and brought us back for doing. They're still waiting on Chiwetel girl. But remember that was her friend allegedly. Yeah. Alicia come on when you update. So obviously, which one we're going to start with. That's up girl. Okay. So the girl will change our life was bathtub girl, who basically she sent us. The first Email who enjoy tickets for the furnish? Oh, we got to send her. She's getting tickets for sure she's on her comp list. I told her she could have tickets for the show we sold out both figured out. We'll talk later. So now, we have the second show. So she's in only two second show for she sent us emails that is this weird. And if you guys missed that, I don't know what you guys are doing. But she was dating this guy. And she's like every morning, he takes a bath. And he has like a half job. Yeah. You had to be there. It was very funny. We talk about it a lot anyways. So we have an update and here it is. No, actually, I haven't looked at any of these. Yes. Just as much of prize to Ashley. I actually ended it shortly after I sent this DM's I wouldn't see him for weeks, and he had some all caps weird tendencies, he said he wanted his lifetime partner and his behavior didn't reflect this. Oh, typical man crazy. They say one thing I wanna hang out with you. And then I never text you again anyways. He snapped chatted me a month later to ask PB friends with benefits who asks right person like types in guy that bathes in the morning. You're right. Psycho surprise with this motherfucker. He wanted to enjoy his twenties, which by the way, I understand. But she put in parentheses. He's twenty nine. Oh god. No. I forgot that that's amazing outta here. What do you want to enjoy? What happened the last nine years? You just didn't enjoy them. Enjoy Atta here fucker and apologized for leading me on at least. He was honest how seen him since July, but we occasionally send snaps anyways. We wanna stink her for changing our lives. And also for the update on what happened and for letting us roast this guy a little more. I love this. I want to enjoy my twenties get out to last thirty days. My twenty. Okay. So we're saving the best for last. But this is not it. We didn't even get. What are we doing? We didn't give an update on bunion girl. Oh god. I'm so. Sorry. It's hilarious. Okay. Pause for dramatic effect. Okay. So we talked to her after the show. She's so cute. And she said that she really had to end it when he asked if he could bring travel pair of bunion. Correct. There's and keep them at her place. Oh, so keeping them at her places where she drew the line deal. It sounded to me like they aren't done, but like maybe like a friend's benefits little boy situation. Okay. So bunion girls. Updated. Let's move on to sister fucker guy. Ooh. I'm very excited about various sister fuckers. I should have a lot of feelings about this in general. Right. So we talked about this girl that she was dating a guy and Saul pictures of him and his Instagram and like was like, oh, my girlfriend, right? How touchy in Florida the pictures suggestive, and there was an excessive amount? Yeah. Like one screen shot of the screen. There was like nine to ten photos of them together. And it was a sister. So she was a little weird, Al. So anyway, here's her update. Well, we didn't get married after all it had nothing to do with his weird sister photos, although they were so weird. He was just a little immature and going through some difficult career in life changes. He had never been a serious relationship for red flag and didn't how to open up. Ultimately, we both knew that. He couldn't give me what I needed. So we decided to break things off. Off we go to the same. Jim. Unfortunately, the gym. So I do have to see him often. But we're friendly I met someone else right after we broke up. And he is amazing. Couldn't be happier. So she's with someone else you guys, I couldn't the ending. That was not enough for me, actually, actually, followed fathered another Email her back. I wasn't like, thanks girls. Like, okay. But I still need more information. So I was like, okay. Sorry. Thank you for that. But did you ever meet the sister? I had to know. I'm so glad that you follow it out. She said I never ended up meeting her. We live in SF and she lives out of state. We had a trip planned to Mexico with a big group of his friends and his sister was supposed to be there. But we broke up like five days before the trip coincident because he didn't want on the trip of the sister. But I'm pretty sure everyone was happy that we weren't stuck in the trip together. And naturally all my friends said, maybe he just wanted to be alone with the sister on the trip. I guess we'll never know think that no. We know we know that he was about to go on a honeymoon with the sister. Yeah. To break up with this girl. How is he gonna Instagram like a billion photos themselves like bikini his sister with his girlfriend with them? I mean, every time with my brother and his wife like she gets in the photos because they're together, you know. So he was like I cannot go on a bikini vacation with my sister with this girl. I gotta bring up with her a lot of people bring up before like a big events like before like a trip with your sister sister. Right. Okay. Brain is going to be the last one. This one guys was we answered it with Jared Danna from you up. So the episode that we had with Jared Jordana? I think it was also showed you fuck your workers episode. This girl emailed us sounds like she was on a break from college. And she was about to go back for the in the fall and her a guy that she'd started dating one foot jobs, which we decided is not the most agree GIS. Yeah. Fetish also, good workout. Right. It was a new workout class. We're gonna put on clock scrape through apps hero, Blake's, please. Okay. It doesn't feel like less cleanup than normal. I just I just wanted you to read it. And then like the show's over because it's so incredible. Okay. Go she starts off way. I'd love to tell you. Thanks for asking. You guys are so gracious love you guys so much. We can't tell you enough. How much we love you? Anyways, foot guy is now my boyfriend. We've been official for over a month. Now after six months of talking getting to know one another I feel like for the first time in my dating career. I'm finally someone that makes me truly happy. I think Ashley described it best in is love and the cards episode when she said pick someone that doesn't make you feel like lingering anxiety in your she said ashes crying. She's like a cable is things that I said. She said to pick someone feels like home foot foot job guy feels like home to me. I guy feels like home to believe how sweet specialists is even though it's over. Have yet to tell him. But I love him. No, we had even though, you know, weird desire to have my feet on his dick, which by the way, we did. And he decided he didn't actually like it that much back to good old fashioned blowjobs. Thank god. I like not. Okay. I've so happy for these couples. Never let a fetish affect me in such a profound deep way. Like, I'm so moved by the story and ashes crying you guys. Also, this is such a good lesson. Like, she didn't have to we really foot jumps every night. She didn't have to. He was like crossed off the list. I saw important ones. I wanted to try it. And now now they're normal. She loves him feels like home best ever that we've ever gotten an Email. It's the most romantic non-romantic sentence. I've ever heard in my life. But I love it. And I think it's a good message that like when you like somebody, and they want to try something that's sexually a little different than it used to. But you feel like you're gonna save space trade. Yeah. Like, I don't think this is so outside the box of normality, and she tried it. And I mean, look they're in love, maybe not giving a job thing. Thing one apparently. Okay. Well, I want to end it on that love story. I hope that you guys enjoy they now or the Ashley at home invited her to an amazing event. The other night thousands of dollars. It was New York magazine's taste of New York. It's like fifty of the best restaurants in New York City open bar. It's so fancy actually going to stay home and Email foot. Girl, sister fucker that sounds more important in my life. Okay. Also, guys, we know that there are so many more amazing is this weird. But a lot of them were from people like their exes or weird stuff. So it's like I had to go back to read everyone and find the ones that were current of people they were dating. Now, you know because a lot of them were ex-. Did this weird thing or my friend or so I had to go back. So just know that if you guys send us a really funny is this weird. And it's somebody that you're currently dating we just keep us in the loop. We always gotta know eve so many questions, but also keep sending us is this weird. I love them so much my favorite thing. And if you're coming to our live shows on December seventeenth or December eighteenth have them ready have them. And definitely also flag them like if you're coming to the live show, and you send us in this weird definitely mentioned the show because honestly won't girl was in Nashville. I mean best moment of the show is set some funny things at that show. But that was the best moment of the show. Also, Chicago on November seventh same thing. Let us know calming. That's all we have for you today, folks. Take your vitamins. Subscribe review keeps the top of the charts. Yeah. We were. We were number six this week which was not good enough for after one above us. I don't wanna say it. It is two girls. I don't like it. And I want to be a head of it. We should be the only girls at the top of those charged. I don't wanna see a picture of two girls unless it's nationally together. Thank you anyways. We're so excited about the live shows, we cannot wait to meet you in Chicago and New York police by the merchandise, girls got e podcast dot com. Instagram, girls got a podcast keep following us. 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The Scale Doesnt Have The Answers Youre Looking For Ft. Jordan Syatt

Diet Starts Tomorrow

1:27:49 hr | 1 year ago

The Scale Doesnt Have The Answers Youre Looking For Ft. Jordan Syatt

"Hello, welcome to diet starts tomorrow. I mean on Sammy. And today's guest is Jordan Siad. Who everybody, obviously knows he's owner head coach and lead author at site fitness. He's Gary v's coach. He's also done a million other things. Like power lifting. I trained me for three times entering. Yes. He's been up of his Russell, one of the top guests to help of your anytime you go anywhere. Trading. Three times. He what else do you do so many different things you have million amazing videos, one, where you're like an influence or and making fun of girls. Dry Laval, accelerate juice live Kenzi Morgan's is her name. Yeah, got has you Morgan's than I also have the Jani beg donuts. Jersey guy love it. But also you're one of the top diet starts tomorrow. Guests that we've ever had a huge honor, PL. Ask for you back all the time. What about you get you back or giving the people what they want? Let's go, let's go. We would should we also share the exciting news with them about the show. We should Sammy. Okay. So because you guys love Jordan, so much because he wants he loves us so much he's going to be at the diets tomorrow, live show, which is Delile thirty first at the Gramercy theatre, and we're gonna have a great time. You pumped. I'm honestly super, I literally just said, I would buy a ticket if I wasn't gonna be part of it. I'm I'm really excited about it. Yeah. Same live events are awesome amazing. We, we haven't done one together yet. He's done for this up, which everyone should definitely check out when the next show is avail. But we've never I've never done a live show and I'm scared shitless, but it's what are you scared about? Stage, fray. Just the standard stuff, you know, like I feel like you're gonna Jordan will really help us feel like encouraged like Ali honest, when I saw you on my schedule today, I was like it's Monday. There's like nothing. I really wanna be doing with that has to do with going to work with it. I saw that. You were we were going to talk to you. And I was like he's gonna make me feel good. That makes me happy. That's very excited to have you. I think it's going to be fun. I just like live events have they built Greek community. A lot of fun. It makes all this way, more interesting than just like reading it from a book. So I'm wicked. Sure. And people are like we mentioned this before people are like meeting up the day before to hang out. So then go to the show together stay. So it's super cute. So betcha dot com slash GS t live want tickets, they're selling out. And we also have VIP thing where you can, like get pictures us. We're going to have like a QNA kind of meet and greet situation. You get like some six swag, as living wild drag, but I think she was referring to a strain of weed. And. Yeah. So what's up? What's new not much what you've been up, too. Well, so I actually you wanted to talk about this. I just stopped coaching. Gary v just ended. I did three years straight. Oh my gosh. Seven days a week, three years straight with Gary day off. There are days that he takes off. It's not in the schedule. So the, the deal is seventy is a week, literally seventy s week. Nonstop sounds like Christmas new years. Yeah. I mean even on Hanukkah. Like if he's in Hong Kong, I'm in Hong Kong if he's Nellie. I'm elliot. He's in London. I'm in London where all over Sweden whatever. We're remember one time we went to Ireland for eight hours, went to Germany for sixteen hours. Then we went to New York for a day, then LA it was just nuts. How many travel points, did you got a whole lot a lot? But the thing, a lot of people like this ridiculous. You don't need to work out every day. And I told them that from the beginning in his old coach to like you don't need to do this, the part that I really respect about. It was Gary's purpose for this was to make it into essentially something. He does everyday like brushing his teeth. It's it's not like everyday has to be an intense workout. It's not some days, it's just stretching some days. It's just mobility, work. Whatever it is. But when you make it a seventy week thing then it becomes now you don't necessarily have to make a big deal out of it, and a lot of times, I think the biggest issue is when people say I work out three times a week. Let's say they miss a day. Oh my God. I screwed up. I screwed up. I missed a today, like what do I do? Now when you work out seventy s a week, it's like you miss a day, and it's not a big deal because you're going to be right back tomorrow. No matter what it's not a big deal ever. And I like that mindset behind it. One thing you've said, I don't know if it was, whether it's video or in person, you said the team like I can't keep anything like in percep- perspective anymore. But you want that like not every workout has to be like one hundred percent amazing anyway. So that you might have some shitty workouts, you might have some like medium, just the fine not only you might you will yet, I have something called the rule of five, which, I learned from someone who I don't remember who. But they were way smarter than me. And it's held true for every five workouts you're going to have one workout that's fucking amazing. You're gonna to one workout that's fucking awful. Yeah, you're going to have three workouts that are like I got it in, that's it. And like, when you know that ahead of time is like when you do have that really awful workout, there's no need. To feel bad about it. There's no need to feel like, oh, what's the point in quitting? Oh my God. And like just go off on a bender and not go back for a week. It's, you know, ahead of time you're going to have bad ones, and that's okay if what you should add this, and add one more and be like, and sometimes you're gonna have at work at that. You don't have. And so then it becomes normal, and then it's okay and then you go back to the next time you hope it's the get it hundred percent question. What do you when you say an auto workout? What do you mean by that? You mean that you feel awful doing it or you just what does that mean? So in the context that I learned that, and that I've always phrased it, it's more in strength training. Like, for example, you go in and let's say you're using I dunno thirty pound dumbbells, and you're feeling strong but the next week you go in and like the twenty five's feel like death, and you're like what am I getting weaker all of a sudden it's like no, you didn't get weaker, just you. It's in the same way that you're weight doesn't go down. Linearly your strength doesn't go up linearly, and it's important to remember that a lot of people think. Oh my God. Like every time I go to the gym I should be lifting more weight, if and more weight, every single time you went to the gym, you'd max out the dumbbell rack in a matter of weeks. So it's important to remember is going to fluctuate, and that's normal. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I approached a workout, and that my body just feels like like a bag of Sam. Just like bags of sand bags just like dead weight just tough to pick up ever since you said that I heard you, I don't know. You ever since you said that I always felt so much better about sometimes if I went to a spin class and I just didn't do as well as I wanted. It'd be like I'm fine. It's fine. I did it. I burn some calories, I sweat. It was fine. Like I didn't need I don't need to be a hero, every single time in at least you got there, right? It's super interesting. A lot of people would be like, it's a hippy dippy way of looking at it. But if you look at the people who are consistently the most healthy and who reach their goals, though, the ones who find the positive as opposed to the negative, you could go to the gym. Get a sweat going, and it might not be your best workout. So if you find the reason to be like, oh my God, that work I was terrible. You're more likely to quit because you're being negative about it. But if you're like listen to at least I got in, I got something done, and you have the optimistic viewpoint you're more likely to keep going back and you're being hard on yourself for exactly. You would never say that to your best friend, your best friend had. Shitty work, you wouldn't be like you should quit. Yeah. You shouldn't even at all. Okay. Let's eat together. We treat ourselves way harsher than we treat other people for sure. That's definitely true. Something. So something that you, you were posting about in the past few months is like the idea of go on the scale every day. It's interesting which we brought up like so many in this show, since you came on, because a lot of people that get on the scale, they they'll either get on the scale every day, or they're terrified of the scale because they're afraid that the day they get on, we'll be like the day that they gained five pounds. So can you talk about that whole idea? What basically like that challenge that you created? What's it called mogul? I call it. The just another mogul ninety day fouls challenge. So for me, one of the issues, I think social media is amazing is incredible. I think one of the issues that people have in the fitness industry is, they look at these fitness competitors figure competitors, who have outrageous physiques in. They're like, I'm never gonna look like that. It's hard to relate. I'm not a big dude. I'm not Jack like at all. So I wanted to take like a regular. Regular person's physique and show people. What's possible in ninety days with very sustainably like very ver- not rigidly. Not strict not like doing anything. That's outrageous, just following a healthy diet and being very sustainable with it. So what I did is I weighed myself every day for ninety days and keep in mind, I've, you're doing it, though. Right. I stopped now like occasional way myself. But like the whole purpose was to show people how wait trends work, and I had a whole video on YouTube about this. And it's like one of my most popular videos showing the three most common wait trends. Like in basically, the whole point is to show you how to predict when your weight is going to spike. And when your way is going to drop. So what I did is my had a graph and it's actually it's still in my Instagram story or my highlight feed, I weighed in every day, and then I showed a graph over time of where my weight went and every time I wait spiked. Soon after there was a big drop. But usually what happens is when people see a weight spike. They're like I've been perfect of my diet. What's going on? I don't know why it spike. And then they're like, oh, well, this is stupid. I quit. And then they're like, well, you know, it's not working. So I might as well just have this. I might as well of that. And then the eat too much, and whatever. And then this scale, search trending the opposite way when if they just stayed on track the scale would have continued to trend downwards the way that I look at the scale and a lot of people look at data day. They're like, okay so on Monday this Tuesday, I should be lower on Tuesday with this Wednesday should be lower. So that's outrageous. I similar to going to the gym everyday, and expecting to be lifting ways the highest, it's and we always logically. No it but emotionally when you get on the scale, you sort of have that hope to see you go down. And if it goes up, you're like, oh my God. Like this isn't working, you have to take the logical approach when are saying that's not going to happen. You have to know that ahead of time. So the whole purpose of showing what this was doing to show people, listen your weight's going to go up and down, and I showed it and. Even did a ten thousand calorie challenge in the middle of this whole thing that show people like listen. I thou- thousands of calories extra way more than I could have I got right back on track. I didn't fast for eight and start myself. You're just got right back on track, and I lost over ten pounds in the course of ninety days very sustainably there. It wasn't easy, but it was simple. And it's doable and sustainable, those whole purpose. Okay. I wanted to lose a little bit of weight. Mainly just show people if that's your goal, you can do it very simply and without restricting yourself and without feeling like you're going to die without like going to the gym time today without eating like seven hundred calories and also to show, you that your weight will fluctuate up and down. And just because it goes up doesn't mean you gain, fat, just because it goes down doesn't mean loss. You just have to remember. I like to look at my weight month to month. So instead of looking at it like day to day or week to week. I look at it may one to June one June one to July one July one to August. One may second to June second June second, July second. Because when you look at it month to month. You see the trend right? If you look at it day to day you're seeing random fluctuation that could be salt. It could be food it can whatever so on that I questioned. So before when you said like you, eight, so perfect, quote unquote, perfectly off. But then you say your white, wait, spike. So what would be the reason for your wait before you do the wash? I love the end of that. I love that. So why, why would it go up if you had quote unquote, like a good equa perfect day where you're just doing what you wanna be doing? We're like your perfect with your calories. What are reasons why your weight will go up, right? The number. So there's a bunch of reasons there's any number, and it's important remember. There's any number of inexplicable, inexplicable reasons, but we could have if let's say you had more salt the day before where does salt set where would you might have accidents eaten too much salt? Let's say you had I dunno soya sauce and sushi, like really high hustle. It's a very a healthy meal. It's great but is a lot of salt in that soy sauce. It's not bad. It's not to say that is bad, but it'll make you hold onto water for a day or so. And then flushes out a lot of people well, how do your at of water attention it. You don't want to get rid of water. Attention normal part of the human physiology. Like if you wanna lose fat that's a different story. You don't want to try and manipulate water. That's when you get down a dangerous road. So I mean it could be weeks before your wedding. Salt. It could be you had more carbs than usual. It could be that you ate more than usual. Carbs increase the weight number because your body is going to hold onto the water. So the carbs sort of act like a sponge, and so, they'll essentially, like, hold onto more water. And then that's why a lot of times if you eat more carbs, one day, a couple of days after you'll have that Woosh because you hold onto the water and then plus his right out. That's when people like when they do they're like jump start diets. That's what they call water wait. No, I have no idea. That's right. What water weight? That's, that's one of the things with Kito it where it's like you cut out all the carbs, someone's going to be like it's not all the car five this like. It's like to one hundred grades or whatever it is regardless you most of your carbs. You're eating fewer carbs, your body's gonna flush out. You lose a lot of a weight very quickly. When you look at Kito over the long term of people, the vast majority, do not sustain it very long and not to say that nobody can sustain it. It's totally fine. If you can in you enjoy it, but most people are not doing Kito for two or three or four or five years at all. Yeah, it's quick facts. Can you explain the difference between what someone to do, like just dieting to lose weight versus dieting to lose fat, like super good question? Wait is everything. Wait, if you wanna lose weight, take shit. That's another reason why cost for sure absolutely. By way myself twice in the morning. I don't in their one hundred percent you've all been there now for eight nine I wonder. I wonder how big artsy powder half. Great really incredible. Like if you have to be, I mean, a lot of people don't realize if you have like a sixteen ounce bottle of water, you're going to weigh, like a pound more. It's a lot people. Don't realize that you maybe if the p maybe if the poop maybe for example, you weigh your if you eat later at night. For example, let's say you usually stop eating at like seven, but one day you go to dinner party me eat at ten or eleven and you weigh yourself at the same time or maybe even earlier, you're gonna way more more stomach content. You have more food in you, like you're going to way more. It doesn't mean that you gained fat. Nobody gains that much fat overnight physiologically impossible in the same way that this is my favorite freezing. No one ever, got skinny from eating one salad, just like no one ever got fat from eating one doughnut like this just doesn't happen. No one ever got jacked from having one great workout. No one ever lost all their strength from missing. One workout, it's all the consistency over time. And the more you can be logical about it, and not let your emotions control your actions and nulla. Hey, listen up. Doesn't matter because I'm going to stay on track. I'm gonna keep saying on point, the more successful. You'll be so then how, so then how do you so the fat question, not the question that was fat. But the wait is like it's your bones. It's your muscle. It's your water. It's your poop. It's literally everything and your fat is literally just your fat. And if you wanna lose fat it comes down to a calorie deficit. That's it's being eating fewer calories than your body needs. That's it. I'm glad you brought that over large over time overtime time. Yep. So speaking of that, that question about the calorie deficit, it seems like you have a bit of an ongoing tiff on Instagram with people who say that calories are not the most important thing. Yeah. Can you explain how that started and your side? I guess we'll, so it's not that people say, some people do say calories aren't the most important thing. And I don't think that I think we have to make the. Differentiation between health and fat loss. Two different topics. Right. Losing fat is not the same as getting healthier. I mean, some people don't you lose that some people forgetting healthier is actually gaining fat somebody'll. We're getting healthier is having a better relationship with food so health and Fallas are not the same thing. But sometimes it might be for some people. Absolutely. Some people to get healthier. Losing fat is super important if you're morbidly obese in, like, if it's affecting your joints negatively or if it's like putting your risk for heart disease, whatever it is, for some people, that's the whole thing, it's all individual dependent, right? So what will happen is people will say, well, calories aren't the most important thing. Okay. Well, why it's like, well nutrients matter. I'm like I'm not saying nutrients, don't matter. Right. Of course, the quality of your food matters. But to say that calories don't matter is disingenuous at best, I it's not accurate and essentially the argument comes to this people are like all calories aren't created equal. Right. That's what really they're like, what a calorie from broccoli is very different than calorie from a doughnut. It's like no, it's not because let's I'll pose this question. What is the definition of a calorie type didn't have energy? It's measures how much energy isn't a food, right? Right. That's all it does. So it's a unit of measurement like a mile, it's like an assignment it's it's kind of arbitrary in a way. It's not arbitrary. But just made it was made up like like it's not inherent in a food to be caloric, or not, right. Like so all foods. Have calories right? All foods have calories, but not all foods have the same nutrients, if that makes sense. Right. Yeah. All foods, have calories not all foods, have the same nutrients. It's a really important point understand all foods have calories. How many calories tell you how much energy that food will give you? For example, a big block of chocolate fudge has way more calories than let's say broccoli, but the calories in it don't differ in makeup or composition, because it's just telling you the amount of energy. That's in it. It's all calorie, does it just tells you how much energy is in that food. So, for example, let me actually, here's one. I've just made this in my head right now. The. The calories, you burn on a treadmill are those different than the calories, you burn when you're swimming now. No, it doesn't. You're burning calories calories a calorie. Right. So another example, is this, a miles of measurement? Right. Right. That's just tells you how long does does a mile change in distance based on whether it's on sand or in the forest or on pavement, it's like a miles a mile. Right. Or if you turn billion times. Yeah. Right. The it might take you longer to walk a mile in sand. It might be faster to go mile downhill, but a mile a mile a calories calorie, what differs is the nutrients within that food anyone who argues that. A block of fudge is more nutritious than like a whole salad with leaves and vegetables and all that stuff. It's like they're out of their mind over horses salad is more nutritious, but that's based on the nutrient composition, not based on the caloric value. The calories just measure, how many calories are in the whole thing, the nutrients, the fiber, the proteins to carbs, the fat. That's what difference and that's what is more important from a health perspective, generally whereas calories and more important from Fallas perspective. So there's the question then is like, let's say you were eating not in a caloric deficit, but only eating super super nutritious foods, like stark, leafy greens, twenty four seven versus. Let's say you were eating kind of less nutritious foods, but in a caloric deficit can you will you lose weight a hundred percent and there's so much research on this? So would you lose we with the? Not Brown a deficit while eating like all the leafy greens, the broccoli and the Russell sprout example as a lot of people really struggle weight. And I hate so clean. I so clean. I have avocado this. It's like, yeah, it's great. It's super healthy very nutritious, but too many calories, too many calories like too much energy for what your body needs is too much. It doesn't mean you're putting bad food into your body doesn't mean you're putting foods that are doing damage to you and your body. But if you want to lose fat, you need to be able to eat the right amount of calories, for body to do that, regardless of whether eating twinkies, or avocado, that's not to say, I would recommend anybody has a diet full of twinkies, if they want to lose fat in realistically, if you wanna lose fat, it makes more sense, to have more nutritious foods, because you get more full like it's that's the other part of the equation. Is that like the quality food you eat affects your desire to eat more? Palatability is write us a hundred percent. You're less like if you eat something kind of like with, with its Hello. It's caloric, but it doesn't have any nutrition. You might be hungry. Thirty minutes later at that, you know, one of the things that people will say, like, oh, really? So you're saying that you should just like everyone should have died of pizza donuts. It's like I've never said that north cinema did that what I want to do. And you said earlier, like if people miss a day, at the gym, and they feel like they screwed up. It's like they're less likely to go right? If people have a food pizza Donut fudge whatever, and they feel like they screwed up. They're less likely to continue the ice screwed up. Like I might as well. Just go off in the binge my purposes say the majority of your diet should absolutely be whole minimally, processed foods, very nutrient rich. But if you go out and you have pizza and donuts, don't you dare feel guilty about it. Just, hey, it's okay and get back on track. That's it, it's literally, I'm still saying the majority of diet should be whole nutritious, but don't feel bad for having a food. That's not quote unquote healthy because. That's just going to further get you off track. So where do you stand on something like, we watchers free style where you can like you're not counting calories? But you're cutting points which has some sort of correlation to, to the calories, but with the new freestyle you're basically allowed to have unlimited salmon unlimited eggs chicken that kind of thing. But, like, ultimately, if you, you could easily have clerk surplus with only those things not even having the extra point stuff. So how does something like that? And it has worked for people. So how does that work? Are they just not eating a clerk surplus, even though they're not counting those things like yet? So to lose fat you need to be in a calorie deficit. But that doesn't mean you need to fizzy physically count, your calories, that makes sense. Yeah, it's a really important point, a lot of people, so you just want everyone account their calories all day every meal. It's like, well, some people like that, and that's okay. Some people don't like that. And they don't have to do that. You don't have to. Physically right down. Every Keller you eat, but it doesn't take away that regardless of whether or not you're tracking they still count. Right. So a lot of people they might go to that. I've actually never heard of that variation of Weight Watchers, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan because it's about portion control. They don't say, don't have any of these foods like these foods are bad. These foods are off limits these future, like they let you eat them. They just give you a point value for them and say, like, listen, you probably want to eat less of this overtime and emphasize these foods, which I think is super smart. Issues arise. When you say you can have as much of this as you want. That's when a lot of times binge eating happens. That's when a lot of times, it's like the whole thing with clean foods people. Oh, we'll avocados clean I can have as much as they want or like almond butter, please. I can have as much as they want, like a lot of people way overdue, the butter. And like it's not hard to have six hundred dollars worth of almond butter and a sitting it's like people if you really take a tablespoon, and look at it, it's, it's, it's demoralizing, yeah, it's awful because I want to have more. But the whole point is. Calories always count, regardless of whether you're counting them. It's super important understand that. And. Some people if you give them the ability to eat as much as they want their better there. Okay. And are able to regulate it, but at a certain point, they're going to come to a wall, where it's like, okay if you're really eating a lot, you're going to have to pay more attention and put a limit on how much actually eating. Right. What about the concept of, like plateauing, where sometimes you'll, you'll get to a certain point. And then you feel like you need to maybe, like, do another death like a higher deficit cut like more severe deficit. How do you like continuously lose weight, slowly and steadily? If you are always, like kind of at risk of hitting a new plateau, it's a super good question. And it really I've whole video on this, and people think it's hilarious. It's the idea of a plateau is people think a plateau is that they're they've stopped making progress. A plateau is not start making progress. You're still making progress. Your body's is catching up. We all know you're not gonna lose weight every single day. You know if you lose one. Found a week for a year. That's fifty two pounds a lot of us. Don't need to lose that much. Like imagine if you lost one pound a week every week for your like that's a lot, so and some people do whatever, but the point is, when you hit a plateau, a lot of people, here's the way he's playing it. When you hit a plateau, like let's say you're on your way to work. You're on the train, and the train stops. To pick other people out. Do you say fuck it? I'm going home. Like I quit. I'm turn around. No. You say okay, I'm gonna wait with. I'm gonna wait here. And you keep going until the train picks up again, most people what they do is they hit a plateau, and like their weight stays the same for a day or two days. Maybe four days like fuck this hasn't gone down in four days, I quit. It's like keep going usually eventually it'll keep dropping. Most people are too, quick to take very extreme cut. Take a very extreme calorie deficit, which is completely unsustainable, and they're too quick to say it's not working. But what's happening in your body, when you're hitting a plateau like Why's it? So our it's is super born, but our bodies have what's called homeo- stasis. Right. Like we want to stay where we are. We are bodies like where we are. It doesn't when you that's why when you start eating fewer calories, you get more hungry, because your body doesn't want you to change. That's why a lot of times a lot people. Have you ever heard like people who are trying to gain weight off so hard like I'm not hungry at all. It's really difficult. It's like I would love to meet one. Well, it's a lot of guys, especially when they're trying to bulk up. It's like it's so hard. I'm trying to eat more. When you're trying to gain weight can be difficult. Because your body's like your it will tell you your full oughta times when you're dieting, like, you'll get really tired like you're moving less. This is your body's way of preserving energy. So you don't burn it more because it doesn't want you to lose fat. And it's not saying it's bad lose fats. Just your body doesn't want to do that from an from evolutionary perspective like it wants you to hold on a fat, God forbid, there's a famine like you want to do that. So like when you hit a plateau is just your body is trying to stay where it is. And you have to keep going, and keep going and be consistent and not just say, fuck it and quit and keep going. And it's going to break it literally just watch my trend on my story. Like you'll see goes, it will go down and shoot up and I'll stay up and a couple of days later shoot down, and it goes like a staircase fashion. But like most people, quit when it spikes, and then it's plateaus for a little bit, and they quit. It's like don't quit. Just keep going. When you hit plateaus, though, to break, don't you need to switch, like something up, like whether it's like increased protein or something like that. So that it tricks it a tiny bodies are way smarter than to give them credit for people was like, yeah, we're going to do these, like metabolic confusion circuits till like. I mean it's marketing but it's like we're not tricking our body, like no, this is not tricky and just changing, like what you keep because you because you're in homeo- stasis now at this point, again, they on your plateau, like if you just change another thing, you're not changing the number of calories or the calorie deficit beer to changing your like proportion of what you're eating. So here's what I say. If your plateau if you're one hundred percent consistent with your nutrition, your hundred percent consistent with your calories one hundred percent. Very few people actually are if you're hundred percent consistent and you don't see any change in weight or measurements or pictures for thirty days. Then you make an adjustment kind then you reduce calories, or you have options, you either reduce calories slightly. Maybe like two or three hundred week slightly not much or increase your energy output, walk for an extra fifteen minutes a day, like an especially that works very well, especially for. Who are smaller like my I'm five foot forums short. Like, I don't eat that many calories just because I'm a small dude, like my body, if I eat like a six foot four person, like, I'm going to get super fat. So for me it's easier, sometimes to increase my energy output. Do a little bit of like fifteen day walking a little bit extra then this necessarily reduced calories by hundred. But the point I really wanna emphasize people hate this people really get mattering on. I say this. You have to be more patient. You have to stick with it people get in two or three days, and like this isn't working, and they and then they go out and like, well, okay, yeah. Like I had the chips in guac. And I went over Micah, okay. Maybe I had the marks and yeah. The next morning. I went out to a diner, and I had the pancakes. It's like that's phenomenal. I'm glad you did is okay. But don't complain that you're not making progress when you're really not being as consistent as you think you are a hundred percent consistency for thirty days straight, and not just judging by your weight. Also take your measurements. Also take your pictures from your front and so. Side and back. It's important because not everyone response, the same way on the scale, and that everyone responses, same way in measurements. It's important to get all it's all data points. It's all it is, is when you treat it like data your way, more objective with it, and you're less likely to quit based on an emotional outburst. And you just keep going because it's logical right like the only reason people are so much about the scales because they haven't been on it yet. They're scared of what they're going to see. But, like if you, you not if you do it every day. But if you do it once a week or something just to seek where you're at, then it's less scary. The next week for me, the idea the skill being scary. We need to stop it. We need to stop allowing that to be a part of like, what fitness says, like, don't ever step on the scale like her mining Granger said a best fear of the thing, only fear. The name only increases for the thing itself, people like, don't talk about stepping on a scale. It's like don't ever stepped on a scale. What happens when you go to the doctor you step on the scale you're gonna panic attack? Like we, it's the goal is. What are why, why can't you don't ask, but this whole thing is that it doesn't have to be that way. And think about this. If someone is super anxious around carbs, for example, carbohydrates, do you just say you know what don't eat carbs? No. That's impossible. Not only that not impossible. It's not realistic. It's not like for most people like they should be able to have carbs though feeling anxiety. Why then when someone gets anxious about the scale, do we say? Oh, just don't step on it anymore. So we should teach them how to step on it without letting it be such an emotional issue. Right. Not be it's. Seriously? What, what you say that you need therapy therapy, she decision in really just a start looking at it objectively rather than looking at it as like a pass fail. That's people step on the scale it's like pass fail up fail down past. That's not how it works. Right. It's gonna go up. No. Like you're gonna have bad workouts. No. That the skills gonna go up. It's not a failed day. It's cool. This is more objective data. That's it. Do you feel like the scale has become villain is kind of like the reason people don't like it truly is because they're afraid of what they'll see and they, they have a bad relationship with it. Absolutely is like on a in on the whole as PICO has Lurie. Like they wanna reason to justify that they feel uncomfortable with it. I could not agree more. And I'm super happy that you said that because that's exactly right. People get super insecure with it, and then the take an overarching instead of dealing with their own insecurities. They. They blame the object like oh, it's the scales fall, fucked, the scale it's not it's like the skills, actually a really good tool. It's not the end all be all you can use it as a tool to aid in overall weight loss. There's a lot of things you can do this scale. But to blame the scale for your insecurities as a very dangerous for to go down. There's also like a lot of people with eating disorders, who have the scale triggers them, which I think that's a whole different conversation. And they sure maybe they should stop weighing themselves. But they can't just do it like an vacuum. They need to be seeking help while they're doing it. Like there needs to be a different form of support to replace what that scale meant for them. Yeah, I mean, I think we're just talking like regular like weight loss Andrew back in the data maybe a year ago. I remember I like to lead it all my calorie counting apps when I was trying to lose weight, and I, I put my scale away, and I was, like, so proud of myself, and it didn't do anything for me. Like I was like, oh, I'm gonna lose weight now. And like, no, it didn't nothing happened if anything, I think it gained. Couple of pounds. But like, because I was trying to mostly eat within a week. I mean I know I know well it wasn't a deadline at the time it was more. So just like I wanted to figure it out. But that didn't work because you're just sort of avoiding something, I that's exactly right. If you talk to any clinical psychologist, if you have an issue, none of them will say, oh, you're anxious around that, okay? Like just avoid it all the time you have exposure therapy. You slowly get more, for example. If someone if someone does have disordered eating habits someone did suffer with it and getting on the skills triggers them, I'm absolutely not going to make you have two hundred percent not if it triggers, you do not do it, but in the same way that you take people through exercise progressions like you start off with the basic and then you go to more intermediate. And then you go to more best, I you eliminate the trigger you take it out. And then once as they start to improve in their mental health needs to improve in their emotional health, you can start to reintroduce it based on logical reason, not based on. Motion, and I've seen it work hundreds and thousands of times. It's like when you stop demonizing, it, it's the same thing with food, people demonize carbs, people demonize foods. It's like people get seriously scared of it. And it perpetuates disordered eating habits the bad relationship with food when you start to realize, nothing is inherently good or bad. And it's all okay in moderation when you analyze it from a logical perspective, you get way out here, you go away, happier and your insecurities, not to say that they go away because we all have insecurities but you take responsibility for them. And then you can control them better rather than blaming them on something else. And then really letting them grow from inside, like a uncontrollable. Dragon than it just comes out of nowhere. Like when someone starts talking about the scale it's like you get mad. When someone starts talking about the skill that's an issue like they should be able to talk about it. They should be able to I see people on Instagram, they'll be like I weighed myself and some of the comments will be like that is so dumb. Like how dare you weigh yourself like, why can't someone do that, without you coming in and telling them as dumb? Like, if you're not make yourself, cool. Don't do it. But it's doesn't have to be like a dog Mattis flights. He started. The, the muggle thing I thought that was really enlightening. Because for me, I saw the scales like so emotional. I remember I d I'm do Clint, please explain this to me for, so we started training know like I don't get it. Then, then I sent. And then once I started to get it like that, it's, it's sort of like an ex it's not accepting putty. It's accepting like that. It goes up and down. That's completely natural like when I realized that it's not. So it was so much less scary to go and way myself like and I'll be like, oh, I forgot it just had sushi last night. Oh, wait. Like shit. I did an intense workout. So happy right now. But then not only to that happen, when I felt more accepting, I sent it to my mother. I sent her the videos because every single time I see her she's like two pounds up. And I'm like, it's not the most mom thing to say. But I'm like that doesn't mean anything I don't see two pounds on you like doesn't mean anything. What time did you eat your cottage cheese last night? You know, so today coming up to your period. Like there's a lot of reasons for why you'd be weighing wing more. Right. And it's a lot incentives. Listen like it's not so and right. It's not so simple at your like you're an organism like you're not a piece of paper, I'm so happy. I'm beyond excited this because what you've done, and this is how you become an intuitive eater. A lot of people talk about intuitive eating now. And it's like, oh, like you should just intuitively intuitive eating is something that you learn it's a skill and you've learned how to do it. You're in the process by starting with the scale it's objective data. That's all it is. It's data. That's years. No emotional attachment to it. If you have emotional attachment to data, then it's not actually data. You're sort of using it to justify your own preconceived notions. Data has to be objective. It has to be without. Ocean? It has to be a logic, and you can look at the skill that way things so much easier you don't worry about it anymore and you start to pay more attention. What you're like, oh, I had to she last night. It's like you remember it you pay. Attention more. Sent healed like I still feel emotion like I just wanna get to a certain number or something in that number means something. And I tell my nutrition or dietitian that, like I want to see this number and she's stopped trying to focus on that number and look like how you feel or how you measured instead of just looking at that number. So, like I I'm not hundred percent healed, but it's, it's getting there. I think it's not about being a hundred percent healed. I think it's about when you a lot of people stuck on the skill. And whether it goes, if it goes up their day is ruined. Yeah. It's the entire day until the next time. Suppleant skill is not about not having an emotional response. It's about not letting the emotional response take over your actions and take over your entire day. When you can have it for response, and then call yourself on it and be like, okay, I got a bit upset Nobile like back contract. That is when you can separate your emotions from logic and really big cool. Like it is what it is. Let's say you won't have that those times because we all have ups, we all have these things, but it's being able to be objective. About it. That's why you're winning. Yeah. They get excited about the next two days. Because if I see a number two high would like I might have. Right. It's interesting because you could see if you think about it, like you think about making any other change in your life. Like, let's say you say, like I want to be more organized, or I want to be like more patient with my significant other like you're not going to see a total change in yourself in one second, like you're gonna over a year or Munster many years, even, like become more organized, or become more patient or whatever it is. But you're not you're gonna have times when you're still super disorganized and super impatient in the process of that. But like over that year you might change a notice that, like you accident, a certain situation or you handled something that you couldn't have handled before. But I think most people don't look at the scale that way, because it's so much more like it's a hard number whereas, like how organized you are is not. It's like you can be a little more subjective with yourself. But maybe if you think about it is, like, just improvement, the same way you would improve anything and the I agree one hundred percent. The best results, I've had with, with people is when I say you can't look at it as a pass fail. When you look at that as a pass fail you're setting yourself up for failure. Always because fifty percent chance for failing, if that's your mindset, it has to be just numbers. And which is why like if someone says, oh my God like dropped two pounds today. I'll be like. Don't you tomorrow? I'm basically, I'm just like, don't get excited about it. It's not like I'm super proud of you for being consistent with your nutrition. I'm not proud of the scale saying lower number I'm proud of you because you're consistent. I'm proud of you, because you're doing what you need to do on a consistent basis. I don't give a fuck with the scale says, right? I care about what you're doing. And when you can look at it and just use that skill as data over time without letting the emotional response, be a pass fail. You win. It's just like it's so freeing because you no longer associate the scale number with your self worth. Yeah, for sure. Because also, if you're going to be super happy about it, then you're going to also be super sad about it. If it's exactly right. So you had to like or you could be happy. Be happy about yourself like proud of the work, you've done to get that data point. And then just sort of keep going. Okay. Guys, you know how are always talking about therapy, and how important it is for your health. 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S T, simply fill out the questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with counselor. You will love that's better help dot com slash. D. S. T. Just bring up a point, because we had just gone all as a guest last time. And she talked about her article smash the wellness industry. Did you see that by any chance it, so she we had her on and I have had a week to think about this, and I have a lot of thought, but just because we asked her like, what, what do you think is like gonna fix the diet, whatever industry, and I really I came up with it, and it's really all because I can take this advice myself. And it's we need to stop looking for quick fixes because the diet industry, plastic surgery industry. All of that. Surive off of these, let's lose weight in thirty days and that, that could decade solve. If we realized that it takes a shit, long time year just even lose thirty pounds or something twenty pounds, you're like so much more better off, and you're not giving into all of these gimmicks. I don't know. I I've been thinking it was everything she was saying I, I really like her. But I just I just think like the things that are more sellable. Like they're not these kinds of, like, that's the that's not a sellable exactly as well. We as thirty days we as the consumer have all the power. So if we remember, like listen to more of these types of conversations and think of things is let's, let's change over a long period of time rather than because I myself like was like okay, and he's how am I going to lose thirty pounds in the next two days? Like you know what I mean? And then I just remember go back to that was exaggerate. But let me go back to what's working. And what's never worked before. Right. Like that kind of mentality. I see what you mean that we have all the power, because we could in theory all the power if overall sentiment changed. Yeah, but unfortunately, I feel like we don't really have all the power because they have like the advertising and the research studies to be tell you that this will work. And they have the advertising space and they have the ambassadors. Like they have the Kardashians being like this t like this universe interesting, though. Have you looked at the comments sections when the Kardashians do that stuff? No, people are livid. And you know, it's really interesting. There's a lot of hate right now there's a lot of hate like. The diet culture. Like all screw this. It's like. I like to look at I like to look at advertisements nowadays, and, like, what people are really enjoying out his people like real people like authentic. People are drawn to it old advertisements that were just talking about, like these out mazing benefits like on those don't do as well anymore. What does. Well. Is having someone that you trust speak in a very relatable way. And talking to you about it from their perspective. Now, there are people doing that in the not so good way. But there are a lot of people doing it in a very good way. There's a lot of people putting a mazing content, and that's why there's been such a shift in advertising because advertising it didn't work like it use. It doesn't work that way anymore now has to work based on real and authentic. And so I think a lot of this, like, hate that people have harbored towards the diet industry as it's doing more harm than good. Because if you really look at it, there's a lot of positive. There's so much good like I'm completely science-based fins professional. There's a lot of people who see what I do. And the my goal of that is to help people become better critical, thinkers, whether or not they count calories. I don't care. I just want to be able to look at these advertisements and. Able to say like that's bullshit. Ask question, ask questions and before social media before all the stuff like that wasn't happening. There's a lot more people being duped. There's a lot more people falling this stuff like this conversation. We're having right now is unbelievably helpful to people because it's give it's giving them the ability to be a critical thinker. One of my favorite quotes, is the best teachers show people where to look. They don't tell them what to see. It's like you know, I don't know. I don't know said it, and I feel bad. I need a look up who said it 'cause it's tremendous quote. But yeah, it's and so. Point being like, yeah, there's a lot of bad stuff. There's a lot of bestself but there's so much good. And it's just it's getting better, and it's getting better and is getting better. I really believe that who are some people or sinus. I feel like what are signs of going on Instagram? And because somebody GMT like a funny mean today not a mean but like one of those things a comparison like, oh, they want us to the one where it's like it was great. Yeah. Like, if if you know that they're selling bullshit, they're probably like naked in their Instagram and the ones that are like, not, they're like, clothed, and giving you like, like, good informed. Like partly the team was that the person who's naked giving. You shitty advice has, like so many more likes than the person who's giving who's giving you solid vice. They only have one like in the image. Right. So based on what you're saying, like, who are some people like are also signs of Wilson. Here's, there's a I don't know if you guys have seen this ad I've seen ads going around about like this, buddy type quiz like take this body type quiz to see what. Body type you are. And now will decide what workouts you do. And what nature that's bullshit like one hundred percent vote like, that's not is it really one hundred percent bullshit, yo, like the science of people having a different type of body type. They, they metabolize food differently or like thing like they're just they are different. So I agree that the gimmicky like whatever the Mr. g diet or something like he's Kardashians. He used to be a weightlifter whoever's like pioneering this thing. But I do is it really is the underlying signs of it, actually bullshit. It depends. What specifically you're talking about, for example, one thing that people say that I'll always tell people is like, if you're trying to structure, your workout based on your body type. What they'll say to sell you stuff is like, okay? So if you're this body type you need like metabolic hit workouts. But if you're this body, typing more strengths were that's ridiculous. No, that doesn't change based on your body type which changes based on your body type is maybe your technique, maybe you have wider hips, maybe have a longer torso, that's going to affect how you're going to be squatting or dead lifting, and that can affect it just based on your aunts, per metre. But that doesn't change your physiology doesn't change. The fact like it doesn't change the laws of thermodynamics. It doesn't change any of this. Like what about what you should eat? They in your body type. No. So where do these ideas come from? Is it just like, oh, I mean, I feel like let's say like someone is silly AC, if you want to call that body title. The holy actum off Mazza moral. Shannon is it, I'm telling you. It's bullshit, you can listen. Where does it come from? I don't know to be honest with you. If I had to guess, marketing key thing is just like thin air. No, I don't think it was in there. There has to be something behind it, but not necessarily. So, like you can also read a diet plan with that with that all, you know, I'll try to be as objective as possible. Some people. This is a good example. Have you heard of this a super nerdy word? Have you heard of non exercise activity? Thermo. Genesis neat an e ata you heard of that. No. So neat is its stance for non exercise activity. It's your movements that are today. If you have a friend, who's like fidgety all the time, the other friend, who's just like like sluggish they couch before we, we, we've talked about that. I don't was with you. I don't know. So we've definitely talked about the fidgety call somebody Keller. Yes. So some people might burn an extra seven hundred eight hundred thousand calories a day, just because they tend to do that. They move more start or something your leg. And I hate this, because people will try and use this as to try and make contemplate, yeah. Maybe sort like, like literally shakes lag or like what shoeing more gum or whatever. It's like listen. That's ridiculous. I, but so for example, some people just based on their physiology, and be are more likely to be more active, but it doesn't change the fact that they're still just being more active. And if someone who's not prone to be doing that type of stuff, if they just go on an extra walk for thirty minutes a day, they'll get the same benefits. I'm telling you, this idea of body type is a way of marketing to get people to buy. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, you're an Endo more. So your way more likely to store fat, and which means that you need to have your like do not. Yes. But it sounds so good. It's a great marketing techniques like some people might like be be less likely to metabolize metabolize carbs, like a as opposed to somebody other friend who has a different body type, like couldn't set. Let me ask you this. Let's for sure. Like I mean it like process things differently like people process things differently. But like, if you're talking about the average normal human like not these like outliers like. We do more or less the same shit, wouldn't the person who's wouldn't make that big of a difference. I think, and especially if like let's say if the goal goals, lose fat, I'm assuming, like, yeah. This is gonna play with that one. Then it's still calories, in calories out if you're in a calorie deficit, it's impossible to gain, fat also isn't someone who's less likely metabolize carbs quickly. There also less likely to allies anything quickly, like is it just that car? They're reacting to carbs, taking diabetes or silly or anything like medical out of the picture. Just I mean, there are some people have different responses, different foods, okay? But I think the I'm super hesitant to go and it is because someone's going to hear be like, that's me, like I'm the one that's super hard to like metabolize carbs. I know I know every time I eat carbs. I gained seven pounds like no no no shut the fuck up. That's no no, seriously. It's important, because even let's say someone does struggling metabolize carbs. Let's say they do. That's not why they're struggling fat. That's not why the news that you're eating too much, even if they're struggling to metabolize Carajas that's not why they're struggling notice that. And that's what's really important understand, like people woman have is foods differently in different, whatever. But if the goal like if you wanna talk about health shore, then you should go see a doctor and you should go like, like this is the thing, people talk about hormone regulation, and changing like the way that your metabolism certain foods. You go to a doctor to handle that people really are we're going to raise your hormone levels Europe personal trainer. You're not an endocrinologist like let's be very fucking clear. You have no idea how to regulate someone's hormones like just like because you're a personal trainer. Right. That's why I don't like to talk about that stuff. Because you if you have a hormonal issue, go to a doctor. Okay. Well, we appreciate it. Definitely makes sense. Why people with, like that kind of diet, because you got to like dentistry yourself. Learn more about yourself, right? I coped I you know what it is. It's, it's an excuse. It's feed quiz diet. It's a reasonable. Well, I'm I'm an end up more. So I'm never going to do the same thing of like leaning on genetics. And I like on. I'm guilty of that. I think about that all the time. But like my eastern European. Well they don't play no role. It's not like genetic nothing to do, but be having like an overweight side of the family like means that I'm doomed to whatever but really, like aren't lifestyles and. Yeah. And also, that's like a lot of people like were used to use it as a crutch for, like, not the NAR anything. We're not working as hard because I'm just doomed for this type of fate, but it's not like actual reality. It's just genetics. Play role in everything they play a role in everything. But they do not determine your success. Right. They don't they don't come anywhere near deter, like if you wanna be a elite figure competitor. Yes. Genetics. We're gonna play a role. If you want to be in the top zero zero point one percent. Pointers or one percent like, yeah, it's gonna play a role if you want to be healthy, and just, like have a healthy body fat, and it just healthy weight like. His it's doable for everybody is dual for everybody into blame it on your genetics to blame it on your body type to blame it on this is blamed on your age blame it on your metabolism. These are all things that I guarantee there's people listening right now who are like awful. I'm forty. I'm fifty sixty s I'm just too old. And the almost want to be told that they're too old to do or they want to be, they want to be told that they can't do it, because then it gives them an excuse to not try any more and for all of those people. If you're blaming your hormones, if you're blaming your age go to your doctor get a metabolic cart test. Get just a full blood panel if you have a legitimate hormonal issue, it will come up, and they'll tell you, and they'll give you medication for it. If it comes back, that you're totally fine. Is not your age is not your hormones, is that it's you're eating too much period. And distorting people get pissed when I say that, but it's the fucking truth. And I'm not going to sell you. Some really. Oh, yeah. Like I have this supplement. I had this like this hormonal enhancer. I don't have that shit. I, I'm just telling you the truth, whether you follow or not, it's up to you go to your doctor get a metabolic card tests, and see for yourself. Okay. I was in such denial, though, that I did that. And then I was like, and everything was fine. I was like put about my DNA. But that's what most people. That's what most people over and they get very defensive when you tell them that that's not it because you're taking away that one last stand that, they can show to lean on that they could be like, well is different for you. It's different for you is different for you. It's like no, like it's not well, isn't it like a little isn't it harder for some people than others? Yes. Yes, it is fair thing to say, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. No, I'm not saying it's impossible just saying Moore. It comes some people drop weight fast, some people. And this comes back to me, and I called fuckers and they're called Fokkers. But here's the thing, it's like some people are going to be moving like when people, here's my favorite thing, people like I have a slow metabolism. How do you know what is metabolism like tell what is your metabolism? They're like. I don't know. It's like you're just saying you have a slow metabolism because you're not happy with your weight. It's like if you get serious about tracking or in a realized like your metabolism is probably totally fine. And if it isn't go to your doctor, and they'll tell you most people, it's totally fine people like to use these crutches because it gives them an excuse not to try and super important realized that, like, yes, some people, they're gonna lose weight faster. Some people are gonna get stronger way faster some people. No, that's a male known as a meth. Why does everyone say talk about like the time that they went on a diet with their significant other? And they lost, like ten thousand a day, and Dame's got bigger. You hear that a lot of all the time. Yeah, it's basing progress based off of the scale on a day-to-day basis rather than the long term results, it's like number one. You shouldn't be fucking comparing yourself to their progress. And if you're only looking at the scale is their former progress, you're doing yourself a massive disservice not to mention weight and fat like we spoke about two different things. Let's say let's say you're you have a husband and he loses much weight and you're coming up on your period. You're going to gain weight before your period, you're going to even if it, but that doesn't mean you're not still losing fat. It's a really important, you can still be gaining weight and losing fat is really important. I remember if you're in a calorie, does it. I've had women clients who gain upwards of seven eight nine pounds during their period. And then as soon as it's over it drops that's like that's what happens. Most people most women tend to get frustrated when they see that skill going upward, and I'm like. Oh, fuck it. What's the point? It's like it's my period. I'm just going to like go all the chocolate. I'm gonna have all this. Like in this comes from like I work with mostly women like seventy to eighty percent of my clients for women. Like I hear this every day. I talk about periods sex hormones all the time, like like emotions as like my conversation with clients all the time. Like that's it all the same. And I asked you a question. So something I've, I know you're not an endocrinologist, so this might not be like your wheelhouse. But I've heard that during your you should probably do less intense workouts like not hit workouts that you should try to do more like yoga lower impact stuff. Do you think there's truth to that, that a woman's cycle should have a bearing on how she chooses to work out? Shh. So I'll say this. Number one is I know so much about periods. It's shocking. I've spoken to more women about their periods and like everything in life. I talk about periods every day like all day. Is this the first time today? No, not even close not even close as the twelfth seriously. It's only like two. But what's really important remember is like we're all affected differently. Like some people are affected in different ways by different things some women, they're like they get a very light period. It doesn't really affect them, very much other women it fucking puts them on the couch for like four days, straight in super painful, and it's a really difficult process like in this in the same way that for some people, they'll lose fat more easily. Some women will have appeared in like it'll be way more easy and like that fucking sucks. That's genetics. But it and so if you're one of the people to get knocked on the couch and like it sucks and it's painful, like you got the Iran deal on that one, but it doesn't mean you still can't make progress and that's what's really important. Remember in terms of your question you have to listen to your body. I know some women who like it's so light, they don't really feel it in, like the they can do it with no problem. But if you have the if you get really affected by a super uncomfortable and painful trying to do high intensity exercise as a really stupid idea. Because it's going to be painful, and it's going, I would rather, you just do something low intensity that you can enjoy as much as you can and be consistent rather than like trying to push yourself, 'cause hit, isn't inherently better than like low intensity cardio's making sure that you're just being consistent with whatever you're doing right. Okay. That's good to know. It is, is important to listen to your body, like it's super important, it's like in different people responded, different ways, like I'm five foot four lake. I'm not going to be in the NBA, you know, like it's like there's some people is like we all have like some people are gonna lose fat faster. Some people are going to be like, better jumpers. Some people are going to be stronger. Some people are going to be better at math. So we were writing. It's like we all have advantages and disadvantages, but it doesn't mean we should stop trying to get better. And we also should stop comparing ourselves a hundred percent to other people on hundred percent. You don't know my life death. So is there anything you feel like from this conversation? That's that you wanted to say to the listeners that you feel like he didn't have a chance or. Yes. So did you see the post? I mean the saying you can't fuck up. Yeah. I like when you do one the two only three way. Yes, four the fourteen best ways lose fat rapid like track your calories and be patient because it takes a long fucking time. That's it. That was. That was. So something that I talk a lot about is self advocacy, and so self efficacy it, it's like self confidence is your belief in your ability to succeed. Right. And so the way sort of explain this is if I told you that you had. That you had a ninety seven percent chance. If you went and got a lottery ticket ninety seven percent chance that you would you'd win. I'll Dr you'd spend the money four could up to go like, yeah. Whatever if I told you eight a three percent chance of winning a lottery you'd be like, all right. Well, not going to spend the money on that. Like, why would I do that? That's self efficacy. It's your actions are dictated by your belief in your ability to succeed. So a lot of people don't believe that they can succeed. They don't believe they can do it. They don't believe that they can achieve their goals. They don't believe they actually don't believe it and it's a serious issue, because when you don't believe it, why, why get out of bed, and go to the gym. Why have the health Bill, like the, the salad over the Donut? Like why make these choices that, you know, you want to make? But if you feel like you're not gonna succeed in, or it was the point. Right. That's a really important discussion have and what I found consistently is the major. People tend to feel like they can't succeed is because of they feel like as soon as they have a Donut as soon as they miss a gym session. They feel like they fucked up. They feel like they're ruined everything. And it's if I can leave people with one message is that you can't fuck up as long as you get back on track. And it goes back to this. People on vacation, like I'm going to be occasion for week. I'm gonna lose my progress. Mike really did you make all your progress in a week like no like let me ask you? If you have a week straight in the gym perfect a week straight nutrition perfect. Did you get all of a sudden get shredded bits, and like love how, you know, it's like consistency over time is what leads results in both ways positive or negative backwards or forwards. Right. So, yeah, we're gonna say, I feel like a lot of people south advocacy is fucked up because they have failed so many times in the past. So how do you reconcile that, right? They're relying on their Pat. What they've yeah. Their whole we'll, I've been fat my whole life. So, like how come I never worked? Yeah. Like so out at work now. So I can't work. I can't really change. And so this is that is the single correct question. Asked that's like the right question. It's usually there's gong for one right question. And known. There will be gone at the live show. No one really asked that I'm sort of like this, a great question because that's what people. Sit on like, well it's never worked for me. It's I've worked for me. My answer is what people hate to hear in the same way people hate to hear. Well, it's not your hormones probably it's not your age probably like. Everything works as long as you're you're able to sustain it consistently. Usually people think it doesn't work because Molly do a juice detox cleanse, and like they lose fifteen twenty pounds and then they get it all back. It's like no, it's not that few failed, it's not that it doesn't work. It's that you did something very unsustainably, or let's say to something more sustainable, and like all, like it's not working. Did you do it for thirty days straight one hundred percent consistently and track, your weight, and your measurements and your pictures or like, did you go four days in, and then like eight didn't go the way you wanted? And then, like you or maybe you go eight days in ten days and whatever, and then didn't go the way you want it. And then you give up most people feel like it's not working when in reality is, they're just not paying patient enough. They're not being consistent enough. It it's the least sexy answer. I can't sell a book on that. I can't sell a book on, like patients. I can't it's. Just like you could sell a book on, I've been approached by publishers, like we want you to write a book, and I'll be like the book, I'm gonna write is the five year plan. That's right. But like they're like, what about like the? They don't want our seriously. It's like they want the least amount of time, because that's more sexy marketable, but it was. Yeah, it was at least. But, like isn't it so much easier to gain weight like fat than it is to lose it? Like just like it is, like I, I just, I, I know I can just gain. I then again, I don't know if I'm getting fatter not that, now you're critical thinking, nah, that was fucking. That was a big moment, because people feel like they're holding water. They're holding water. The scale goes up high gain fats, like did you? How do you know? Right. Did you just cut your do you just autopsy results and took a body like how do you know? But like you put you can get you. It is. Of course, it is physiologically easier to gain fat mainly because food's delicious oils, especially nowadays. Because we have foods that are number one is readily available. You can go on your, your pantry and open it up. And just like toss down like a whole thing of like chocolate covered jelly beans, like not whatever it is, like super easy. Like it's way easier to especially nowadays, because people are more sedentary, they're not moving as much like. So, yeah, of course it's easier. But now what I don't know. I kid you gained like three pounds on occasion. Can it be fat to gain three pounds over the course to gain three pounds of true fat over the course of a week is outrageously difficult, you would have to eat so many calories that your vacation would be spent in pain, because you would be so like, outrageously full all you can I wasn't. I five times three even that's oversimplified because people think will you eat food, and all of a sudden, it just means it's all going to go to fat. It's like, well, no. I mean, some may go to muscle some may go to other process in your body. This is why people have a very over-simplified view of physiology. I will you eat a lot of foods all of a sudden, he gain fats, like no. There's other things going on that energy is going towards so in their studies around this. There are studies where people just overeat straight for like a week and the amount of fat they gain is so miniscule the weight on the scale goes up radically, but it comes off very quickly when they get off track when they get back on track excuse me. And this is a whole thing, people get on the scale there's two options. The first option is they get on scale after vacation, all my God. Oh is so bad. And then they get back on track. And like they see that it comes down very quickly, the other option. Is there like I don't wanna get on the scale because I don't want to see that number and research consistently shows that people who maintain a healthier body weight. Are the ones who stepped on a scale more consistently because it axes form of accountability. 'cause like you see that number like art, gotta rain it, and I'm not gonna go out and do all this stuff tonight. But it's not to say you need to step on the scale you don't have to. But if you're avoiding, you're avoiding those numbers like you notice that you really put this super happy, but then, again, you it's like it's easier to justify not getting back on track when you're not having some form accountability. So if you don't want the scale, don't the scale, I don't care, but accountability is important question. Is it true that if you have like more muscle mass, like, let's say even working out like consistently wing training. Whatever that you will be. You can eat more, technically look on vacation because that will go down. You can eat more, not on vacation to but say, let's, let's say you're going on vacation versus somebody who does it right? They go on vacation, the person who wait trains goes on vacation. We're just works out a lot. And then would let's say the equal amount of food would the person who wait trains with their their pounds like the fake, like not fat or not go down faster than a person who doesn't. So this is a really good question. And can I sort of go into first second 'cause it's going to be a little bit in depth? This is really important factual. Yes, that's correct muscle is going to it requires more energy so you can eat more the more muscle mass. You have that being said, this is a huge marketing thing that people take advantage of and to be very Frank with you. I'm okay with it to an extent, because people are using it to get people in the gym to get stronger. I love that. I don't like that. They're using it to trick people. Now factually, correct. You will burn more calories. The more must we have one hundred percent how much more. It is so little, it's so little, and it's not to say it's not, it's, it's not worthwhile of courses because the benefits of strength training are far more than simply muscle growth. It's also strength, which is different than muscle growth. It's bone density. It's like there's a lot of benefits that come from strength training outside of simply growing muscle. But this is where a lot of people, they start strength training and they start gaining weight, and they start getting weight. And they're like, I don't know what's going on all over the DNC. It's causing a lot of times. They're like what will happen is, they'll start eating more because like in the oh, well must be I'm gaining muscle. It's like you're eating too much accurate. That, too, that if you're sharing training to lose weight, as in lose inches, you need to have a caloric deficit to his fat tilles fat. Right. You have to have a clerk deficit. But if you put, like a lot of guys, let's say if they're working when they want to bulk up no have clerk surplus, that's the strength training in order to build muscle. And this is actually super one of my I think one of my favorite videos, yet is on this people say, well, can, you burn, fat and build muscle the same time. That's the question. Right. What if it wanted to both? What if I want my like this, I get a little remember, I work mostly with women? What if I want my ask to get bigger and just like my belly fat to go away, or whatever it's like cool. Let's talk about it. How do you get or like my shoulders hit mortified? I get more whatever it is. Here's the technical answer. Then I'll go into the practical answer, technically you need to be in a calorie surplus to build muscle and a calorie deficit to lose fat. So technically you can't do both at the same time. But what is the same time no one's going into the gym in a single session, and expect any come out being like, well, I burn fat and gained muscle in that session, look what? But if you go over the course of six months, you damn. Well, better have burn, fat and built muscle over those six months, it, what my sort of favorite way to do. This is like spend a little bit of time in deficit. I to lose whatever body fat you'd like her you feel comfortable with and then transferred to a slight calorie surplus and people here this in like people, it's so people. They go right to extremes the here calorie deficit. And they're like, oh, I'm not gonna eat eight hundred dollars a day. I'm like, I'm not fucking telling you eight hundred dollars eight until, like slight a couple of hundred week like this it. And then when you go into calorie surplus, they're like, oh, yeah. I'm gonna eat so much like no. Just a couple hundred. It's like it's like an apple and oatmeal, and like a chicken breast more. It's not that much. It's just enough to give your body, the energy, it needs to build muscle. And you do that. Every like two to three months of the course of six twelve months, you'll have damn well, built built, muscle and burn fat at the same time in quotes. But like you can't do it in the same workout. But again, no one's expecting to do in the same workout caught. It doesn't make sense. You think that you got it. I do. I do clarifies or anything you don't get, I guess my question is, like, do you mean go into a deficit for a few months, and then go into a surplus, it's exact to a deficit. But then how do you control? Like we're the wait. I'm putting on air quotes like where? How do you how do you make sure that the deficit goes to the stomach and the surplus goes to the ass? That's what I don't see you wanna know like, if I want to lose fat specifically in my belly. How do I do that? Right. Isn't that kind of work genetics comes in, like where you carry your way a hundred percent? You're absolutely yes. It's genetics. There's no exercise that is going to allow me to clarify because someone's going to go in the comments and rip you, there's no exercise that targets fat on any specific party about it. You can't be like, okay. I wanna lose fat, my underarms someone to do fucked on a triceps as I wanna lose fat on my thighs. When I did a lot of these like these good grow background machine. It's like no, no. It's like you lose fat by being a calorie deficit, and your body chooses where you lose that I. Different people. Hold that in different places like I hold it right in my stomach. So people hold in their ass. And whatever wherever you hold it. You wanna hold it. It's like the worst place. Like everyone wants someone else's fat like disposition. It's, it's I would pick where I have it if I could pick of everyone would like, but then I like the place where I have it is the place. I wo- good this amazing. Yeah. Yeah. This mazing. Just because I like you know, you have if you have to have a one place, you know, the way the way that I say is you can't choose where you lose fat. You can choose where you build muscle, right? You by targeting certain muscle groups are certain exercises and sort of go back. If someone's gonna rip in the comments, there are studies that show you can choose where you burn fat, but, again, how much it is so small, if you're going to try and do a thousand crunches a day, just to burn a little bit of fat on your stomach. You won't really notice by all means go for you're gonna crack your neck, you're gonna hurt your back and you're gonna be sore for a week straight. But that's why the most important thing is being a calorie deficit, and people like, well just never gets to this part of my body. It's like you're not being patient enough, like takes time. So what's happening to your muscles, though when you're in a calorie deficit annual our weight training if you're not growing them, it's a wonderful question is they're all like, I'm seriously. I'm right up. These are fantastic questions, these very high level questions. I'm not I'm not kidding thinkers. We went to. Clearly heard of it. So people people think like okay. So we'll if I'm gonna calorie Desi like I don't wanna lose my muscle, right? It's like no first and foremost, the most important way to maintain your muscle mass. It's through enough protein intake. So as long as you're protein is sufficient, you're not gonna lose your muscle. That's number one. What was I gonna say mind? Just started on as long as you're approaching sufficient, you got also people like, well if I'm one of those facts should I only do cardio should I stop strength training. And I always ask why would you stop string training? If you want to lose that and they're like, well, I don't know like. You have to ask why. It's like strip I always say is the only benefit of strength training to build muscle, and they're like, no, there's so many benefits of strengthening outside of muscle growth, and one of them, being muscle maintenance. So when you're in a deficit trying to lose fat staying strong and lifting weight is arguably more important than when you're trying to build muscle and that equally as important. We'll call it. Because if you stop lifting weights, if you stop stressing, your muscles, if you stop forcing them to bear, that load, then they won't have a need to, and they'll deteriorate. It's not rapidly. It's not like you're going to be walking around in nothing. It's slow and steady you miss a week and all of a sudden, your muscles are going to be on its low and steady. But a lot of people like okay I wanna lose fat. So I'm just gonna literally just gonna do cardio for two hours a day as a really stupid idea like do a little bit of both do like two or three days, a strength two or three days of cardio you got. But like, but if you are a deficit though in your your muscles on your way training, your muscles, do get. More defined like you. Yes. Why do they want to find your way training? I don't know you're losing fat or dads. No Kono here. That's quote unquote people so toned. Here's the difference. Let's, let's take your ass as an example, mice, anyone says, we'll use my if you're just, you know, like back in the day, when pe- when women would just eat like such little calories, and they wouldn't work out. And so they have like these very flat, asses could do you know what I mean? Sure. Versus now without a time thing nil. Nil trend. Yes. Like if you watch real houses, Orange County, which Shannon Madore pin con. She's been thin and then she's like, what is this now? Everybody's weight training though. I gotta do this gotta work out and tone, my body. So okay, versus now everyone's like, lifting weights into their butts are like in buttering. Lots are in butts are like more less flat. More social. Yulia shoulders. Definitely the two main, I want, I want my ass to get big, and I just want super defined shoulders, and I wanna be able to do chin up, which folk in love when people say they want to survive an apocalypse that was the best goal best goal. You want to survive. The asses is, when you're waitressing, you're trying to lose fat, but let's say you weren't weight training or whatever wouldn't your but before at versus round, how can you repeat that? Okay. But so you're an adept. Let's losing losing fat loss. Right. Fat loss deficit. It's going great. Let's say you're also strength training. If you weren't wouldn't your ass be flats versus round, because you're doing all these squats. So your muscles are growing when you're in a deficit. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you're brand new when you're beginning, when you haven't done it before your body will adapt in ways that you can build muscle and a calorie deficit when your brand new, but you get to a certain point in your body stops adapt. Your body will like okay like I need more of stimulus now. So if you will see people in their first, like six twelve months of training like smile, a year, Ken Ville, you'll see that, but after a certain point you're gonna need to make things a little bit more optimal, which means like making sure that you're getting enough protein making sure that your stranger any properly. And that's why you'll see people in their first year like they can completely like change their body. But a lot of times after that, first year, sort of like it doesn't change any more, because the number one, they're not tracking. They're not like being more objective with data source like they're doing whatever they did to get to that point. But if you do it, you always did, you'll get what you always got. Right. It's like after a certain point, you have to take the next level, right? Isn't hospital to get super round ask without fillers. I don't want it felt like I'm just. I don't I don't even want that. But can you. Genuinely I'm generally carry so a lot of it is genetics. Right. So I mean you can look at this across populates. Somehow to actually, I mean at around, and like this is just there's a lot of there's a lot of research on this. You look across populations. Like you go to, like Asia, they tend to have a more like flat. But just generally, but if you go to Africa. So I'll let you keep an eye. How the buffs I have you ever noticed? I, I noticed this in Israel all the time, like way, more flat butts in the middle like way more. But when you come to mourn. Yeah. I always look at people's I always people's butts. It's just it's the one sign of whether that person is in shape or not feeling nine shape. But like sign of whether or not they're doing hit throw some squad. They work out work out intelligently. Yeah. Yes. Someone. Yeah. I mean if you look at the best athletes in the world they've all got a huge ask. Like the even the volleyball players like you look at their like they got their gluts, because that's how you're strongest where the power comes from it means they're doing squats and dead lists and arty yells and hip thrust. Yeah. For sure. Didn't know that is in Israel, like people have super-flop. It's like very in Asia Houston have more flat butts you go to Africa, all of a sudden, like you see way more and this is like the cigarettes, yet bigger butts. And even if you come to America, like you'll see more bigger butts, I think that's more of a product of actual training. People are focusing on it now. And I guarantee someone's because comments actions are amazing. Right. People like it has racist. It's like no, there's legitimate research on it. It's and it's genetics. Some people are more inclined to grow a bigger. But some people are more inclined to grow bigger quads. Some people are more inclined to lift very heavy. Some people are more inclined to be distance runners versus sprinters. There's a big difference genetics. Do play a role in stuff for sure. So, yeah, absolutely gymnasts have big butts. Big thighs gymnasts are some of the most. Well, right. Athletes in the world gymnasts in my opinion, or like pinnacle of a strong and y. The they're so strong. It's mind boggling, like when you look at what they do the things they do with ease is, is shocking, like, when they do the, the iron cross, and they're just like just looking just without any fat like tends to it's crazy. It's all like self generated to like you mean like they're not it's, it's all sort of without a quick. I don't want to say it's without equipment because I know some Jim events are, and some aren't, but like it's like they're propelling themselves flinging yourself across a bar, or something is one of the hardest things ever just insane to not also you're kind of always propelling yourself swimmers, and runners, also propel themselves an air, like just a fling yourself over in like into five different circles. What I like about gymnasts is when people ask can you get strong doing body, weight workouts? I'm like, look gymnast. Like it's some of them will use we occasionally not, not much, not much the vast majority of them are doing more bodyweight, calisthenics, our goes the. The train a lot of times in the specific events, they compete handstands and, and like the like it's mostly body. They've course, they do user, especially at elite higher levels, but the vast majority of their training is body weight. And it's not just say buddy training is better, like, but it's a lot of people like well, I can't work out, like I don't belong to a gym. It's like you're, you're parliament, you could use your body weight. Like there's stuff for everybody. You can there's no excuse not to you can find every excuse. You want. But it's not a group. Plugger you, I'll say this, so I ruined. I appreciate that. Who do not buy anything for me until you read more by content like I'm not going to say the name of it. I have a group. I'm not going to say the name of it. If you want to find out more, you can look at my content and see if you like it and trust it, but I never go on something and just like pitch like I got this thing because that's fucking ridiculous. If you like are gonna look now just because they. Yeah. Like I don't I don't I've never heard someone pitched the first time and be like, oh yeah I it by that. It's like go look at my show, I have thousands of post thousands of thousands of podcasts like go, see if you agree with what I'm saying, if it hits home if it does create if it doesn't that's fine, too. So where can people volume look at your say YouTube Jordan Cy and doing a lot of content there, Instagram site fitness? And then my podcast is the Jordan many podcasts, and then also some diet starts tomorrow. Our live show if you wanna come see Jordan live, come to the live show, buy tickets, right, this fucking second. Get off this right now and we're not gonna say anything important after this, so go on dot co slash DNC live, and thank you so much for coming in. Doing great. I love this straight up with, like the most the most honesty. I could possibly muster the questions you to ask are super impressive. Because I talk with a lot of professionals, people like this is their job and the ability for you to critical. Think in the Rico's you like shit. They were really good questions, like, the, the critical thinking that you had to be like, well, hold on. Like if you said deficit, what about the questions you're asking are amazing. And I'm super glad that you did. Because that's how you allow people to become critical thinkers, rather than just like looking at one thing. Oh, that must be it's like no could. Well, that says that, but let's, let's go research the exact opposite and see what they say. Like the fact that you two are so into that I'm beyond impressed, and I really appreciate it. Thank you. We appreciate that. I've been reading Howard Stern's book all interviews with. Yes. And it's actually really helpful to the interview questions to see like how you ask people. So I love nodding, as John van. Why is tonight different? Well, thank you so much. Everyone go follow Jordan Siat fitness at the ad. Laura and go. Join our Facebook group. There's a lot of amazing interesting debate going on in there. I love free to come. 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