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870: Is Retirement Age the Wrong Goal? by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Retiring Early & Financial Independence

Optimal Finance Daily

09:39 min | 2 years ago

870: Is Retirement Age the Wrong Goal? by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Retiring Early & Financial Independence

"This is optimal finance daily episode. Eight seventy is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before, dad dot com. And I am, Dan. I'm your host here on the show and welcome to the Friday edition of optimal finance daily where I read to you from some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet before we get going with our final post to the week. I wanna thank fundraise for their support their frequently mentioned as a recommended tool in the blogs that I narrate here and for really good reason fundraise enables, you to instantly access high quality, high potential private market real estate projects from high rises in DC to multifamily apartments in L A, and each real estate project is carefully vetted, and actively managed by fund rises team of real estate pros fund rise is the future of real estate investing so visit fund rise dot com slash oh. F t that's F. U. N. D. R. I S, E dot com slash FT to have your first three months of fees. Wave. For now. Let's get right to our post as we start, optimizing your life. Is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. I named this blog based on a goal I set back in two thousand two to retire at age fifty five one year before the age, my dad retired the objective drives, many of my financial decisions it has all the markings of a smart goal specific measurable, achievable relevant and time bound, but now that I'm older and think more critically about money and family. I have started to question whether retirement age is the right goal several factors have led me to rethink the logic seventeen years later retirement, define I've always thought of my goal in terms of traditional retirement, that is to withdraw from active working life. The day. My dad retired was the last day he ever earned money from job. You could say he's my retirement role model sometime before I turned fifty six I'll stop working forever to. That's still the current plan, at least, but the word retirement can be interpreted in other ways one can retire from career, but not stop working for money. For example, an NFL star that retires from play. It becomes a commentator. I could declare myself retired from my career at age fifty five or any age really whether I'm fully prepared to retire or not, then keep working on something else that I'm more passionate about during a living, even though I wouldn't need the money since I already retired. I say this ingest. If you read a lot of early retirement blogs, this may sound familiar at this stage, in my savings journey, I expect to exit fulltime work at or before age fifty five, especially the kind of work that involves a commute or firm weekly time commitment, but I do enjoy entrepreneurial work when it's at my own pace, and I may want to continue that kind of work in semi retirement, perhaps, before age fifty five or after since I have a business now this is more likely than it was a decade ago. Then again, I'm not all that ambition. When I have enough money laziness might kick in a better retirement goal may be to retire when I'm good and ready without a specific. Target family demography we've committed to paying four years of. In-state undergrad. Jewett college tuition for all three of our children. The year I turned fifty five our oldest child will start his freshman year. If I retire in the same year we must save everything we need to pay for college before. Then that fact alone makes me question my retirement goal. If all three kids, follow a traditional four year college path, they won't be fully graduated until I'm sixty three which is about the average retirement age considering the expected cost of a four year in state college education for the class of twenty thirty seven I am terrified by the numbers working through that year to cash flow. Education costs makes a lot of sense unless we can sufficiently build our five twenty nine accounts and supplemental income streams well ahead of time retiring before our kids finished college could put our long term retirement security at risk, I've aggressively saved for college since each kid received their social security card, but it's still a track when we're done paying for college seems like a safer retirement goal. Considering are substantial financial committee. -ment education travel considerations, the whole point of setting a retirement age goal was to free. My time for extended periods of travel after fourteen months of backpacking, the world, I had no idea if or at what age I'd begin and stop reproducing new humans my youngest won't graduate high school until I'm fifty nine. So the idea of traveling for several months of the year before, then doesn't make a lot of sense. Our daughter will need to finish high school and go to college before we can even think about leaving for any extended periods assuming our kids all follow a traditional college path, we can still take adventurous summer vacations with the family from now until college. But the extensive retirement travel, I envisioned when I was twenty seven years old will likely have to wait until I'm sixty when we become empty nesters alternative measures, instead of retirement age, if retirement age isn't the right goal? What is a random number shortly after the dot com bust in the year two thousand a co worker told me that if he ever got back to having? Two hundred thousand dollars in retirement savings, again, he'd retire. I don't know how we came up with that number. It seemed a bit low and completely out of the blue but he lived a simple life outside of work and could probably have made retirement work on that amount. He lived in a paid for manufactured three bedroom home in an over fifty five community in Florida. He traveled for work and kept his expenses, low his wife, worked his idea of splurging was to buy a cold beer that didn't come in a can or an occasional frontal to my knowledge. He worked at least another decade, well into the great recession eventually he did retire. But I'd guess that he saved well over the two hundred K goal. He declared in the year two thousand there's nothing wrong with modifying goals. We should all keep an open mind. About the goals we pursue financial independence because of all the nuance around the word retirement. The term financial independence is often a favourite financial goal rather than retirement age financial independence, is when you have enough savings or passive income streams to support your desired lifestyle in purpose. Luethi your so-called F. I number is calculated by estimating your annual spending and multiplying it by twenty five then aim to save that amount in cash and invested assets aiming for the F I number is a specific measurable, achievable relevant and time bound goal to the only concern I have with this goal is, if asset growth is mostly a result of market returns. The market can retract and the goal could become unachieved, and that would suck if I retire at age fifty five no market tumble can take that away from me net worth net worth is an easy number to calculate, which makes it a good candidate for setting measurable goals. It takes just four steps to calculate net worth, or you can cheat and use an automated daily NetWorth calculator net worth includes the value of your primary. Home, your cars businesses, and your other assets using the F I number is a preferred measure, because it requires a higher liquid savings target and the money is more accessible for living expenses. My net worth goal would probably be somewhere around two to two point five million with the stipulation that it must remain above the goal amount for a year or two before officially declaring victory market, corrections, have scary impact on retirement account. Savings conclusion I've been a student of finance and investing for my entire adult life. This is what I do for fun on Saturday nights, but perhaps I placed too much focus on this one financial goal. Maybe I'm shallow then again, I don't want to buy a sweet new sports car with all the money I earn and grow freedom is my tesla. Instead I could focus on more noble purposes like helping others donating to good causes and working to make my community and the world better place for now. I remain focused on being able to retire before I turned fifty six hoping that I become securely financially independent. Well before then, and that point can either set more meaningful goals or peacefully enjoy life without the constant nag of trying to achieve something difficult. You just listen to the post titled is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. And thank you again to fund rise for their support fundraisers, frequently mentioned in articles from our authors, right here on the show because it's a great tool. Come by fundraise dot com slash left. E to get your first three months free. Private market real estate has historically provided excellent ongoing cash flow, even as it supports long-term growth, private market assets. Like these are a strategy for diversifying beyond public market investments, and even other kinds of real estate like publicly traded, reits, and fundraise is the future of realistic. Investing the platforms innovations power and investor, I model by eliminating the bloated costs and middlemen that have traditionally weighed down real estate investing saving investors time and money unparalleled transparency, and realtime. Reporting. Let you see how the development of speech. Civic properties impact your overall portfolio. So come check it out visit fund rise dot com slash oh. FD. That's F. U N. D R, I S, E dot com slash oh, f t to have your first three months of fees waived, and that is it for today and for the week here at optimal, finance daily, as always, thank you so much for listening. Have a great weekend, and I'll see you back here on Monday where your optimal life awaits.

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Eisenhower and the Aliens - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 11/23/20

The Best of Coast to Coast AM

17:19 min | 6 months ago

Eisenhower and the Aliens - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 11/23/20

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It's not complicated. Five requires compatible. Plan may not be in your area see. At dot com slash. Five g for you for details mel. Here's a highlight from coast to. Am on iheartradio now. This story of president eisenhower close. Carter's is this the valiant thor story. Oh my goodness no. I don't have a whole lot of faith in that one. I'm sorry to say This is the story of him. Going out to palm springs california on a so-called vacation in february of nineteen fifty. Four eisenhower could've golfed anywhere. So the very fact that he flew like over two thousand miles just to spend Four or five days golfing in the desert should have raised some red flags right off the bat and that's two years after the flap over the nation's capital right which you ever see headlines in washington paper. There's a picture of eisenhower. Just after winning the republican party nomination with richard nixon as his running mate and then the headline right above them. Ufo's over the capital and On a couple of occasions. July nineteen fifty two. That's right okay. So tell us about his trip. Well eisenhower and the first lady went out to palm springs despite the fact that they practically made a second home of gusta georgia where they loved. the golf course there and i and people Literally built him a house on the course to live in so it becomes exceptionally strange to fly all the way out to palm springs which was just a short flight to edwards air force the western white house. I guess well he stayed at the palm. Are the palm springs smoke tree ranch and a bit of an exclusive place and on friday night february nineteenth nineteen fifty four We can check the records and he Seemed to have a big gap during the evening where his whereabouts are not officially recorded and meanwhile there was a big party for the media at the hotel which they probably didn't think much of at the time but this may be the mo Of operation of distracting the media to give the president a really good chance to slip out under the cover of darkness and fly to edwards air force base in the early nineteen eighties A man stepped forward and said i was amongst this group that encircled president eisenhower to give him extra security at edwards As we stood on the edge of a runway in an open air Plane hangar and there were five spaceships out on the hangar or on the runway rather and Some human-like stepped out and communicated in english with president eisenhower. And they had some things they wanted to share with them and then they kinda played their hand and he told them to beat it in so many words over really He said gutsy by the president well in so many words. He said we can't have this. This is just unacceptable to people. You're too far beyond us. They had ships that Dazzled everyone they put on an aerial display over the runway and the desert night air and showed that their technology was far ahead of ours. three where circular ships and two elongated or a cigar shape and They landed and came back and then they really blew the president's mind and that was the last straw with what they were able to do. A right in front of him. What was that. And that was to be able to either cloak themselves or Control their molecular structure their atomic structure and make themselves invisible to the naked eye reappear. Even moving over to one side the pilot. So i was. There and eisenhower was really uncomfortable about this that we knew they were there. And yet we We i guess they heard them and then they couldn't see them so They reappeared and eisenhower was like oh my goodness we just cannot have this walking around on the in our country like cause absolute chaos disrupt our society. And you know. I'm not going to be responsible for a like a wall street crash and people having heart attacks and Everyone remembered the war of the worlds. The orson welles broadcast where supposedly people panicked at the thought of Martians they did. They did indeed That was a little overblown by orson welles in the aftermath claiming all this There was a a bit of Curious reaction by people. I think one man did have a heart attack but Everyone recall that and thought. Oh boy we can't have aliens landing here in In our skies zipping about In our air f- air Traffic and walking around amongst people even if they did look like humans very much that was the description by the pilot who wished to remain. Anonymous told this story and it came out of news papers in nineteen eighty two and a little dribs and drabs. And i read about it in nineteen eighty five. Thought this is really cool story. You believe this story paul. I really do. After researching it for many years and cramming is facts and sources in my book to try to give people their money's where i really think did happen and there's a number of sources in there that say it's a very real thing. Eisenhower was calm but told him you're going to have to leave. Apparently the main thing the aliens wanted in exchange for a quote educational program for humanity to let them know that they're not alone in the universe was to. Please stop these atomic bomb test. Detonations going on in the air in the water and it's polluting all three and punching into outer space and they practically begged for president eisenhower. And he eventually declined. He said i'm not going to disarm unilaterally and he kept up the The test Atomic bomb explosion project For a couple of years to come couldn't e. t's have obliterated us if they wanted to. I would assume so. Yeah they they certainly had the aerial technology and the cloaking technology and we can assume that if they were of the violent nature but they were said to have been friendly. Spoke english We're on armed and They were not any fret in person to eisenhower but this is another. Threat is an old war Maneuvering strategist eisenhower. Was quite familiar with the story of the trojan horse. What if you let in some friendly aliens and this is just opening the floodgates to gosh knows what coming later so this is another reason why he asked them to stay away and may have formed and agreement of sorts that needed to be signed and the late great art campbell put together some wonderful research. That indicated eisenhower flew to new mexico in february of nineteen fifty. Five one year later and may well have synced up An agreement Addressing this issue of the aliens having a base out in nevada that With the air force permission to come and go quietly and exchange would not show themselves would not disrupt american society and people would be allowed to blindly go on believing that ufo's and a little green men were just silly Science fiction movies at the time. That's that's possibly you very conceivable. Do you think there was a private deal not public but a private deal cut with the keys. Then i believe so. However how enforceable would this be if they were of such superior nature and Such a treaty was never ratified by congress so therefore not really legal not to enforceable because they had the power over us As i was just watching a video with don phillips an employee of skunkworks and he had access to this file and he saw that. Eisenhower did meet with a and he said Eisenhower is quoted as saying well. How can we stop you. You are so superior to us and that was the crux of the problem. But i think The agreement held. And we're doing just fine to this day probably Still without that In place paul. I remember years ago. I was in a supermarket in detroit and saw a national enquirer cover right of eisenhower aliens and it was a sketch but they had. They had the aliens looking like grays. Yeah with eisenhower. that's understandable. We didn't know too much about the story. Then i contacted nari mattera. Who wrote that story for the national enquirer. i ask i Do you have any new information. Anything to update and he said no but he's still stuck with the story as written back in nineteen eighty two october of eighty two in the inquirer. Wow and so He got a lot of information Partly from a doctor. Allen j hynick mentioned in the article and he also talked to lord clan carty who is leading a ufo investigation in the house of lords in england and was making a name for himself. And that's who the test pilot step forward to talk to at some length on the condition of not getting out his real name and to this day. We don't know his real name. Well i'm curious to paul because we have cape girardeau and forty one roswell and forty seven this meeting fifty four with et's that looked like humans but The other ones were greys. So are we dealing with different species who have been coming to this planet. Since the beginning of time. It's a very good question. And i would refer us back to Fill corso who said he felt that or the army felt inside Access that those in charge at the grey beings are bio robots and they were created by the human type race or maybe another race to do like the dirty work of going around collecting samples. Testing the air Doing a surveillance flight over some continent checking the flora and the fauna and the human race and then reporting back to the mothership That they were almost like little slaves or hunting dogs as it says in one report traveling great distances when the didn't want to ride them out to do the dirty work and you come back and report and we'll take the credit well like our little. Mars rovers are doing right now very much. So yes sir interesting take. This is a story that you talk about about the legendary sudden dental emergency that well that is one thing that was probably surprised. Some ufo buffs that They latched onto this story. That President eisenhower left the smoke tree ranch on saturday night. The twentieth century sleep with a health. Emergency any kind of did it turns out. He was chewing on a A leg of duck. That had been shot that morning by the host of the dinner at the ranch. And she said oh. I'm so sorry mr president. There's shot in the meat. No down the bird and he bit into it and he cut up his upper left in sicer and so he had to get genuine Dental emergency treatment. And what i'm told is a Host of the dinner random of the phone and called up his dentist and the dentist didn't believe the story said yeah right the president and he went back to sleep. And this is what took Half the night that Is in howard was driven to the dentist office and sat outside fuming because the dentist didn't show up and they had to call him back later and say where are you the president's waiting and he finally hurry on him and that's why the president was out so darn light so darn late the night after the actual e. t. incident had really bring him down to earth. You can't make that up. Yeah and so even to this day. They dwight eisenhower presidential library. If you call them up they just laugh about. Oh yeah he was with aliens. No we've got records saying that night he was with the dentist and had this Tooth treated by dr francis per cell. And they're right. That story is correct. It was the night before. That eisenhower went on a little john to edwards air force base and when it was over he swore everyone to secrecy there too and again you didn't go against your Your in chief and it was a very obedient. Aaron where you didn't question the government and only one witness came forward in the early eighties. Because all the other eyewitnesses to the encounter had died and he didn't want the story to die out itself so he felt like speaking up last. We're gonna take calls with. Paul blake smith next hour. And also if you're from cape girardeau and you know that story of that forty one crash definitely check in with us. What about previous presidents. what do they know or did they know. I think harry. Truman knew a great deal. He was a senator Who had spent the summer of nineteen six training and that national guard armory in cape girardeau he knew. Kp was friends with garland frana barbara the photographer news man. I i mentioned He was in washington. Dc holding some military funding hearings at the time of the forty one crash and he was the grand master. Mason freemason missouri. At the time. And you'll say well what's that got to do anything. Grand master masons Stick together pretty good freemasons. Do they keep secrets. They have secret code secret. Handshakes and They're good people do good things but they revere the us capitol building does that sound familiar. Rune we we. Where would you store in. Nineteen forty one. This material right away were safe and guarded and it would be like a national treasure. You didn't know what was gonna come next. Are aliens gonna come back and fight it out. So they buried deep below for a few months. I feel and then they decided we've got to start back engineering and examining this material so like you said they probably took it. The wright patterson air force base in ohio. What a great story. Listen to more coast to coast. Am every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more. I'm stephanie rule. Msnbc anchor and nbc. News senior business correspondent and host of the podcast. Modern rules from nbc. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 198: Optimism Baseball Returns, Long Gone Summer

GSMC Baseball Podcast

1:14:29 hr | 11 months ago

GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 198: Optimism Baseball Returns, Long Gone Summer

"The three. Golden State concepts baseball podcast. We cover everything majorly from spring trees. The World Series got your favorite club cover from. New York to Boston to La. This is the golden state media concepts. PODCAST. Hello and welcome in to another edition of the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick and this is episode number one ninety eight of the baseball podcast here on Thursday June eighteenth I appreciate everybody listening in today episode number one ninety eight. WOW, already coming up on the bicentennial episode coming up on number two hundred here looking back I believe I've been here now for thirty to forty episodes to something like that here with the baseball podcasts, so if you've been with me my entire time here, I very much appreciate you listening out there, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you right off the top of the bad here to. To leave us a five star rating writer review if you're on spotify like the podcast us as well follow us on all the social media platforms GMC baseball podcast is on twitter facebook as well as the podcast network itself so before we jump into another great episode. We have for you guys here today. The first couple of segments we'll take some time diving into the latest. That's taking place in the negotiations between the players and the owners as of late Wednesday evening here time of recording. We recently had some updates today that we're going to go over then in segments, three and four. We're GONNA. Talk about long gone summer, the thirty for thirty ESPN documentary featuring Sammy Sosa. Mark mcgwire, nineteen ninety eight home, run, chase and homerun record. We're GONNA. Talk about that then. We're going to talk a little bit more about some seasons at some guys had with some steroid help. What was the top season with steroid help? What were some outliers? Things like that? It was kind of fascinating to look at some performances by players. The Year of taking steroids compared to the. The years not taking steroids in the differences were actually pretty staggering, so we'll get into that, and then we're going to wrap up today's episode. Getting back into the baseball reference straddle matic simulation. We haven't touched on that one in a couple of weeks. I WANNA. Give you guys in update out there on how everybody's doing, and then we're going to close it by talking K B O L and any other thoughts we have here surrounding the game of baseball, but jumping right in once again episode number one ninety eight. We are talking about the latest negotiations between the owners and the players and a lot has happened over even the past three days so I know I talked to you guys on Monday, but I wanna go back about a week or so to just run through the time line of what has been happening to where we got to today and it. Just it was so. So last Wednesday, the night of the major league baseball draft Manfred comes out and uses all of these big words like unequivocally. We're going to have major league baseball and one hundred percent. We're going to have major league baseball. Well Inbetween Wednesday in the weekend for recording. The players basically cut off. All negotiations said. It's not worth talking to you anymore. If you're not GonNa our offer, the full pro-rated salaries. That's it we're done. Rob Manfred tell us when and where to play, and then Manfred came out Sunday Monday right after I recorded the podcast, he talked to I believe it. Was Carl Ravitch on ESPN. ESPN late Sunday night, and then they were asked to follow up question. Hey, how are you feeling today? Based on having baseball? And he more or less came out and said that he was not confident. They were going to have a season. And as long as they are not talking, there is risk that there is not going to be a season, and literally from Wednesday to Sunday Manfred went from using words like unequivocally and one hundred percent, which by the way rob leaves zero opening to return or renege on your statement. One hundred percent is one hundred percent this out of a thousand here rob okay. Okay and then he comes out three days later and says that he is not confident. There's going to be a baseball season. Well, what happened in between that the player said Hey tell us when and where we saw on Monday afternoon. All players tweeting when and where anybody who's anybody might trout tweeted at Bryce Harper tweeted at Kris. Bryant tweeted it anybody who's not any good. Even tweeted like local phillies who are bottom tier roster? Players are tweeting. Let us know when and where because based on the march agreement, Manfred could come in and say hey, full probation. Here's the number of games. This is what. What we're going to do, but Manfred couldn't come out and do this on Sunday and Monday like all the players were yelling at him to because we talked about the time line if he were to come out and say Hey June, fifteenth, the deadline you guys gave me I say we play fifty games well ten days to report seven to eight weeks from their leaves, plenty of time to play more than fifty games and Manfred knows this, and he knows that the owners do not want to go above forty eight to fifty two games. So, what does he have to do ultimately since the players? Went, this style of negotiation since they pulled out, said you tell us what to do you tell us where to be. We're done talking to you. He now knows that he has to stall for an additional week or two in to get the time line to where he wants to be for the owners to still have positive reactions and positive outlooks on the agreement or the implementation. Implementation of the season that he could ultimately decide and on June fifteenth. It's too early to do this yet. So that's where he needs to come out and say I'm not confident. They need to keep talking. We need to continue to go back and forth because of it's up to me right now. The timeframe does not align for what my bosses want me to do because more. More or less, the commissioner is a puppet of the owners that that's really what we're seeing. Happen here, and if I'm offending somebody by saying Manfred of puppet, puppet or Manfred is listening to this and he's pissed off at me now. That's fine man because you really are you. You basically are the representative at the table for the thirty owners. You are expected to pursue what their? Their needs are, and this became even more prevalence or even more out in the open, because on Tuesday. This came out on Wednesday but on Tuesday. Manfred met with Tony Clark and the MLB. Players Association head behind closed doors by themselves. In Arizona, so rob reached out to Tony Clark basically said Hey, we need to keep talking in. This was for a couple of different reasons. Because again it wasn't late enough in time, or he could just come out and say hey, this is what we're doing here and two. If a deal gets made, he looks a heck of a lot better as commissioner of Major League Baseball, so he reached out to Tony Clark and he basically said here's a statement from Rob Manfred that he released today on Wednesday it says quote at my request. Tony Clark and I met for several hours. Hours yesterday in Phoenix. We left that meeting with a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement and subject to conversations with our respective constituents. I summarize that framework numerous times in the meeting and sent Tony a written summary today consistent with our conversations yesterday I'm encouraging the clubs to move forward and I. Trust Tony is doing the same so basically Manfred came out, said Yo Tony, me and you mono mono. Mono with got to sit down and we got a hash this out. Because the current projection that we are on the current avenue that we are moving towards is no baseball on twenty twenty or limited baseball with two pissed off parties in twenty twenty, and then it's it's a total war in twenty, twenty, one and twenty twenty two, because if they can't come to an agreement this year on anything that's just going to lead to much. Much larger collective bargaining arguments in agreements moving forward, so they were able to sit down on Tuesday and I wanted to pause there, but I figured I'd read the entire statement because this was the first time that the two parties were actually able to sit down in person together now, Phoenix not that was the smartest place to go based on what everything is happening? Corona virus wise throughout the country. The likes of Texas Phoenix Sarah more. floored up there seeing spikes in cases because they've opened here and ultimately the corona virus could still derail the twenty twenty major league baseball season, but as of right now that is not what is derailing the season, and it is the financials that they are going over so in the statement. You also hear that Manfred and Clark believe they came to the framework quote. Unquote was the word they used four in agreement moving forward, and basically these two came to a verbal agreement. They have to go back to their respective parties to try to get. Get this agreement passed, and this is ultimately where some of the hang ups are going to come. Because obviously, there's been reports already that. At least six of the owners are willing to sit out this year, and that makes me believe that the owners don't actually like Major League Baseball Owners of baseball teams actually don't even like the product that is out on the field, because if they gave a darn about the product that is out there or give a darn about the actual sport taking place, this agreement would have happened already. They would've eaten. And they would've played baseball, but because owners. Run the team as a business and this is essentially corporate. America, they're like now. Not I'd rather not play I. Don't care about the sport I. Don't Care About Baseball. This is just a money making machine for me that I'm claiming his unprofitable, somehow as well even though when you bought the team for two hundred million ten years ago now you could sell it for a billion. It's still somehow unprofitable moving forward for these guys, but so basically where we're at here is the two heads the head of the. And the head of the owners sat down in a room on Tuesday banged out basically the framework for an agreement, and hopefully they're going to go back to their respective parties and be able to get this passed, but. That's going to wrap it up for the first segment here of the GMC baseball podcasts, but after we pause for a word from one of our sponsors, and one of our sisters shows, we're GONNA come back in the second segment, and we're going to discuss some of the details on this proposal, and whether or not ultimately this is the agreement that is going to be agreed upon by both sides here are there still are so many last minute changes to be had here? But like I said we'll pause right now. When we come back on the other side, we're continuing our conversation around hopefully a soon to be agreement between the players and the owners stick around. This is your alternate stopper. Everything sports. The golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA MMA. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports by cast listen. then. Hello and thanks again for listening to the GSM see baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network, I'm your host. Kevin Mahalick, and this is episode number one ninety, eight of the baseball podcast I appreciate everybody listening today on Thursday June eighteenth. If you're listening to this Friday or Saturday or over the weekend, if you're trying to catch up on your podcast, welcome, I appreciate. You guys listen. That's the. The beauty of podcasts you can listen whenever if you fall behind for a week or two not a big deal, you can catch back up at your own leisure. Everything's still counts the same for us here. Within the podcast network, we just appreciate each and everyone of you guys subscribing and listening out there, so do me a favor, though in the first segment I asked you to follow us on social media. Ask you to share this podcast with one of your friends. Shoot to text out to them. I know you guys have baseball fans I? Myself Played Ball through college. I got a ton of guys saying. Hey, check out this podcast. I'm doing. It's pretty cool. We're not only talking about Philadelphia since that's my home market and I do a few shows talking about local Philadelphia Sports. We're covering all baseball. We're doing it national. We're covering the draft. Draft Minors International Ball all of the above. So if you know somebody out, there was a baseball fan, and you don't think they've heard of the GMC baseball podcast yet do me a favor shared on facebook or shoot them directly via tax. Say Hey, check this out. Give it a listen right a five star review. This guy's actually pretty good, but we're jumping right back into it here. The latest in negotiations from the MLB and the MLB. On what's going on moving forward? We talked about the back and forth. That's taken place over the past week one day where one hundred percent confident baseball's come back the next day. We're not confident. Baseball's coming back and just around and around and around. We go, but Tuesday again Tony Clark. Rob Manfred got together. Ironed out some details about a potential agreement, they have to go back to their respective sides to ultimately try to get it passed. But Manfred and Clark are pro agreement here. Apparently, so what this agreement look like well. It's sixty games full pro rated salaries, and you're probably going Oh wow, okay sixty games that's up from the forty eight or fifty that they were looking at but doing some of the math here total value of players, salaries and sixty games as one point one five billion. Billion Dollars for the owners which sounds like a lot, but it was this same amount more or less essentially. Yes, there's some Zeros, maybe a penny or two different, but it's essentially the same amount as seventy two games at an eighty three percent pro ration- and it gets back to the original conversation. I've been having with you. Guys for a couple of weeks now is one. The players are going to get their full pro rated pay, which then leaves the owners plane as minimal games. Games as possible because if you're going to pay me one point, five billion dollars as a player and I can get that over sixty games or seventy two games. I'm doing it over sixty games. If you're giving me ten hours to complete a contract job. If you're giving me ten hours to clean your carpet at home and I could do it in one hour, I could do it in three hours. I'm going to do it in one hour because I'm GonNa make the same amount of. Of Money, why would I put myself at risk for an extended amount of time beyond what I need to to make the same amount of money, so start with the least amount of games Gimme. The full preparation will continue to climb from there, so this proposal at Sixty Games is the most recent one from the owners. The most recent proposal from the players came in at eighty nine games now. A twenty nine game difference is still a very very large difference, and it's my understanding. Talking to sources within the industry, talking to basically players things like that, there is going to be continuing negotiation. They don't believe that this deal. Itself will be approved. There is very much optimism now that they are moving towards agreement, but if you're looking at sixty to eighty nine games. If you're the players, you now understand hey, the owners. They came in medicine at the full probation GONNA. Come all the way to eighty nine games in based on today's date. Seventy seven games is the most. We're going to be able to play, so give it another week before we figure out. Negotiations cross the T.'s dot. The is that means we're going to look at it potential of seventy games. Games that the players would wanNA play if the players get seventy full pro rated games, that's an ultimate win for the players, which means I think we're going to end up somewhere around sixty five games. You know if I if I really had to put a number on it I may say sixty seven just based on the amount of days everything like that, but this deal or this offer that has taken place here as of Wednesday night that could potentially move forward, basically hoping to get this approved in the next day or two by the end of this week June nineteenth, which then means everybody will be able to report to spring, training two point Oh by June twenty ninth. Ninth and then you have three weeks. I spring training, two point l., which means the season would start on July, nineteenth or twentieth whichever day again, however they figure it out but that is a huge key, because then it would be sixty games and seventy days and July nineteenth. That's about eight nine weeks till the end of the year, so it's pretty much one off day a week play in six days a week. No doubleheaders nothing like that no seven innings. None of this craziness that we talked about before that never actually had a chance to happen as naive as we were just due to the fact that the owners were never going to pay that money. They're never. Never GonNA pay somebody for seven innings. What ultimately they should get for nine, and then if you're doing double headers and play in fourteen innings, your getting paid for eighteen innings and only playing fourteen. It's just it's something that ultimately is not going to happen moving forward, so they're gonNA play sixty to sixty five possibly seventy games at full operation. If you want to say, the players CAN EEK out a couple of more because every game they get paid. Obviously is a victory for them so if they don't finally agree at sixty, but can get them to sixty, four, sixty seven. Whatever it is, they can still say they won a bit of that argument or negotiation back and forth. Also included in this proposal is expanded postseason for twenty, twenty and twenty twenty one. which is a huge key to this agreement and a huge key to help Major League baseball moving forward? Honestly I think it's the biggest key that made rob Manfred reach out to Tony Clark, because if rob Manfred had to come out and mandate season and basically say hey, here's the deal. The playoffs would have remained where they are at five teams a conference. Conference one wildcard game best to one then you go into the best of four and the easiest way to make revenue right now for any sport out, there is postseason. Play is the NBA expanding the postseason potentially the NHL expanded the postseason. Baseball is expanding the postseason football added another team to the postseason. Even pre corona virus pandemic because leagues make the most. Most amount of money in the playoffs due to the most amount of is on the game, the streaming rights the broadcasting rights, which we touched on very very briefly in Monday's episode, but Major League Baseball signed what is deemed to be at least a billion dollar contract with Turner Broadcasting or TBS TNT, all of that family of networks to broadcast the postseason and And if you're basically in the middle of negotiation where you're telling payers players, we don't have any money to pay you right now. And then it's leaked on the side in the background that you just signed a deal for a billion dollars over the course of the next I don't know five to ten years I. Forget off the top of my head here. But yeah, you have money and you have money. Coming in in the future isn't a one and done type of deal. This is continued money year over year over year. And if you add the amount of teams to that, you're adding more games to the playoffs. You're adding more stuff to the broadcasting contract. More teams make the playoffs nationally. Therefore, more cities are involved in baseball in the month of August and September more cities, their economies are doing well it just it helps all of America and not just Major League baseball to. To, expand the postseason now going all the way to eight teams little aggressive in my opinion, honestly basketball on NHL I think their playoffs can be a little bit too long. I really do I. Mean You look at the playoffs? You Blink and you come back and it's like two months later, and it's still the playoffs. It's like wait. We don't have a winner yet. This thing started what April. It's now the middle of June. We haven't figured out who the best team is yet. What are we waiting for so honestly I. I don't see that as being a problem with baseball to basketball, they take like two days off in between every game, which drives me absolutely insane hockey standard. They're perfect. One day off. Play one day off. That's cool baseball. You play every day though this is still going to be done in the month of October, it's going to be. We're GONNA have eighteen, so you're going to have four games in each conference, which means we could potentially have eight playoff games in one day, which means you're absolutely going to have overlapping playoff? Playoff Games! That's amazing. I'm just thinking right now. We have zero sports to watch. And there could be day and as little as two to three months where I could have eight playoff baseball games that day. What are they gonNA play it to two at noon to at four hundred eight to twelve. They don't even have the day. They're going to be three at a time going on. There's going to be three at one three and four three. It's just it's going to be awesome and fascinating to watch and I'm really happy. That, this is one of the things coming out of this agreement. As well as the Universal D. H.. There's GonNa, be expanded postseason and the Universal D. H., which would be for twenty, twenty, one and twenty twenty, and then there is growing. I guess energy or optimism that the D. H. will be fully implemented in the new collective bargaining agreement that runs up after twenty twenty one and is implemented for the twenty twenty two. Two season so as a national league fan again being a Phillies Fan, I grew up in the National League style of baseball I very much understand how it makes it a much more simpler game to manage or to coach. That's one thing managers in the national. League can actually make a difference because you have double switches late in games you have to. To bring in and move the pitcher around the batting order be on where you're at and the pitcher hitting and do I pinch hit form here. Do I let them keep going? Because he's cruising? Rolling up one, we could break it open, but then if we go to a bullpen guy, he gives up some runs. There's very much a lot more going. Going on nationally baseball than American League Baseball, but I also understand when the pitcher comes up to hit three times in the National League. It's an easy out, and I'm basically hitting fast forward on live TV going come on, let's strike this guy out. Let's get out of here. Let's move on and I'd much rather watch Edgar. Martinez or David Ortiz or Or Aaron Judge or Giancarlo Stanton I would love to see. Those guys hit three times instead of watching Nick Pa- Vada for the PHILLIES. Try to bunt or swing a bat so mixed reviews when it comes to the designated Hitter, leaving the National League Baseball scene. So, but that is what it is. Playoffs expansion sixty games ultimately. I think we'RE GONNA FIND Find ourselves landing right around that sixty five mark I'll say sixty four just to just throw a number out there hopefully by this weekend, so we'll see it's Wednesday night again here. They're hoping to get the agreement. I think the players will come back with one more counterproposal that the owners probably won't agree with because they're going to want to be there. There opposed a proposal that is agreed to so players will counter. Owners countered that and then the players will agree and Sunday night. We'll be having jubilation because I'll be able to talk to you guys about when their report in an actual twenty twenty season at least Let's keep our fingers crossed, but that are wrapping up here for segment number two. Two of the GS. MCC baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. We're going to pause right now for a word from one of our sponsors and one of sister shows, but when we come back, we're talking about long gone summer the thirty for thirty documentary on ESPN about so soon maguire hanging around. You're not GonNa want to miss it. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless. PODCAST covered? From News. 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Continuing to grow the PODCAST and continuing to help the good stuff, we're doing here at GSM see, but right now this third segment we're gonNA jump into a reaction about long gone summer, which was the thirty for thirty documentary done by ESPN on the nineteen ninety eight home run chase between Sammy Sosa and mark mcgwire and my first thought was just. How Electric was the year of Nineteen Ninety eight in the city of Chicago. Are you kidding me unbelievable? This was the same year and we just watched the last dance documentary about Michael. Jordan the nineteen ninety eight bulls. Time the third three peat? They win it. They beat the jazz again. Michael Scottie Kerr fill everybody involved in this is happening again in nineteen, Ninety Eight, so the play offs would have been the spring or the first two or three months of the baseball season. Because if you look at it, the NBA finals typically are the first week in June I did my research, and this was true even back in the. The Year of Nineteen Ninety Eight, so you have the Bulls going into the month of June, winning the NBA title for the Third Straight Year Michael Jordan reigning supreme for the third straight year, common office space jam in Ninety Seven, ninety, six, whatever it was winning more titles. Well, Jordan wins his six. The first week of June will June nineteen ninety eight was also the month that's. That's Sammy Sosa hit twenty home runs in a calendar year or calendar month. It's the most home runs in any calendar month. We talked about that a couple of episodes when we did our home. Run Deep Dot. Well imagine that imagine living in Chicago in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight in the month of June. We're in June seventeenth right now, so just take it back twelve. Twelve years with me. We're on the seventeenth. Jordan would have just one. They closed it out on the twelfth thirteenth or something like that. It was a little bit later in June for them, but then you're going okay. We just one that we just did our parade. Let me see how the cubbies are doing. WHOA Sammy Sosas come from nowhere. He's at twenty home runs this month. month. He's gone from fifteen to thirty five in thirty calendar days. He hit his first home. Run on. June first is last home run on June thirtieth for twenty further month I mean. Can you even blink as a baseball fan in the city of Chicago that's unbelievable from the United Center winning the title raising a banner Mj All hail, and then you walk across the street to Wrigley. Wrigley Sosa decides to become King of the north side hit twenty in a year. He's GonNa Chase Roger. Marris so let's go from winning the NBA title. Right into a home run chase right into the cubbies making the playoffs that year like they told us at the end of the documentary, just unbelievable to think about living in Chicago as an adult in ninety, eight would have been. been a fascinating summer in one of the best of your life for share, because my own personal experience from nineteen ninety eight is. I was nine years old I'm an eighty nine kid, right? You know I'm thirty one years old, so I was living outside of Dallas Texas at the time. We were in the Southlake Carroll School district. You High School football. Fans out there know that. That school district for produce multiple NFL guys. If you're a football fan, you've heard of that one, but live down there. Following baseball playing on a travel team going all across the country, just eat and sleep and breathing as a ten year old nine year old that summer. My memory however is not so much the day in day out of the chase of the home runs of. Ken Griffey Junior. Even I don't even remember junior being involved that summer at all. Because as you get away, it's obviously so maguire seventy sixty six. You remember that, but you forget. Griffey hung around and was one back at the All star. Break of Maguire just. got a little bit cold in the second half there and ultimately didn't finish above sixty, but just fascinating to think that junior was involved in this as well because my memory of what happened was. Reading the newspaper getting up every day I used to come down, eat cereal, or whatever was before school, and I would read the sports section for five minutes while I was eating breakfast until I had to go back upstairs to get changed and every morning during the summer. You read the headlines You open it up you all the box scores of major league baseball because again. This is ninety eight. This free cell phones. This is early early, Internet. This is really pre I'm GONNA. Just read the box scores on ESPN DOT COM. There was no game casts no nothing like that, so you. You would get up and you go okay. Did these guys homer last night? I wasn't able to stay awake till the evening sportscenter. The cubbies played a lot of day games with Sosa then Maguire at night, typically being in prime time so I could pass out after maybe his first at bat at nine ten, o'clock again a ten year old, having to go to school the next day, so I used to just love getting up looking at the box scores, and then down at the bottom they had to huge boxes of just a home run tracker, and it would be thirty to thirty. Forty, thirty, eight, forty, one, thirty, nine, forty, one, forty one, and you would just every morning. It seemed like it clicked at least one or two or even Maguire, and how he finished the season I. Don't remember that I. don't remember Sosa Tyne at sixty six, going into the last weekend of the year, and then mcgwire hit and five home runs in three games. Are you kidding me? Sosa goes up sixty six to sixty five literally for a half hour of real lifetime. We come to find out. It was almost like forty five minutes later. Big Mac went yard and tied Sammy at sixty six, and then the next day. Big Mac hits to Sixty, seven, sixty eight. Eight the last day of the year tone of the Russa says he doesn't WANNA play throws him out. It's two more and gets to that seventy mark, so I don't remember that tail end of that I just remember in fifty, eight, Fifty, eight, sixty, fifty, eight, sixty, two, sixty, and being like holy cow there, actually both going to break this record, and then which one of them is going to win, and it was just awesome to follow obviously naive. A nine ten year old kid I watched the highlights last night, is just I opening as a thirty one year old? Just looking at the human aspect of what's going on Mark Maguire was humongous. Okay, he he was. How do you not know? How do you not assume he's on steroids? You think that Guy's going to the gym and pumping iron every morning like now, Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron judge our big fit human beings, Mark Maguire was a statue. He was Herculean. Almost is where most of these guys in the late nineties, so to just kind of follow that see that whole ordeal. It was very interesting. To to kind of follow the Andrea are Andro. In his locker about how that was legal, and he almost did that on purpose, because people were starting to murmur, so he said Hey I'll just put the legal stuff. Right up and say dude. Yeah, it's right there I'm not. I'm going to GNC and buying it. You can go to GNC and bite. It's all fine. It's all free. It's all it's all good mlb not testing for it. What's the deal here? So it was just of fascinating. I really wish the documentary would've dove into that a little bit more I understand how they probably wouldn't have gotten the content they wanted. It certainly seemed like Sammy. Sosa wasn't willing to talk about it whatsoever, even when they tried to bring it up Sammy. Just kinda spoke without speaking. You know he was like one hundred six people in the Mitchell report and they're coming at me. Shoulder Shrug and the guy was like okay. What does that mean same as you tell me shoulder? Shrug, and it's like you're not saying anything like this is what we're talking about. You just go mute and Kinda like ask a question to me after you answer a question with a question. That's not how this works, man and Maguire was a little bit more open a little bit more honest to what was going on. But really I mean. The documentary was just kind of a highlight. Show really was just a youtube clip of going. Hey, here's the date. Here's where we're at. Here's how they were feeling at the time, not exactly getting into. You know what was happening behind the scenes or in the clubhouse or behind closed doors they touched on it at the end, and then they didn't touch on mcgwire Sosa until they buried berry box like burried Barry Bonds I, say buried because I'm from, Philadelphia so burried buried. Out there they still he beat it. Yeah, but then he cheated. Oh, by the way they cheated to good, so it was just it was a fascinating documentary. It wasn't one of their better wants. I mean it was nowhere near the level of the last dance with Michael, Jordan but of course because they didn't have behind the scenes stuff they were trying to use. It was just kind of a storytelling aspect. Sammy Sosa and electric, human, being very very entertaining, very happy very honest seems to be laughing, enjoying himself and mark a little bit more closed off. Kind of more of a quiet individual, but it was fun to listen them. Talk about what's going on. Watching the highlights again. It's just man. These guys did not hit wall scrapers. These guys were four fifty four seventy five foot. Bob's all the time on the rig and. Yeah? The steroids definitely helped out with that, but that's going to wrap it up here for the third segment of the. Baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. What we're going to do when we come back here for segment number four. We're GONNA. Look at some of the top seasons of individual players who were rumored or confirmed to be on steroids for that season. There are some pretty crazy outliers going on out there that we're going to talk about so hang on with US everybody once again. This is Kevin, Mahalick the. Baseball podcast we'll be right back. Wants to know the latest in soccer then listen to the golden state media concepts. Soccer podcast mls the world. The Premier League we've got you covered the latest update the hottest matches news on the League's top players. The state media concept soccer podcasts. Listen. Welcome back and thanks for listening to the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick and this is episode number one ninety eight of the baseball podcast. We're cruising on through another fantastic episode. Here we've touched on the latest negotiations between the players and the owners, and just this past segment. We talked about long-on summer, the documentary about nine, hundred, ninety eight in the home run chase between mark, mcgwire and Sammy Sosa, but that got me thinking a little bit okay. Obviously, we knew these guys reduced. We found out two years later I suppose that they were juiced during this time or or kind of this window of the late ninety S in major. Major, League Baseball and it got me thinking okay. What are some of the most outrageous outlier seasons four individuals where I it just looks like okay something fishy was going on that year, and at the top of the list, some of the guys who are known for steroids. They don't exactly have that one off season, but just a two or three kind of window of ultimate just domination, starting out with the two guys. We talked about Sosa and mcgwire, looking at Sosa and specifically the run he had between. Let's see ninety eight and oh one okay, so and ninety seven, or before ninety seven, his high and home runs, was forty, thirty, six, forty, thirty, six, well, ninety eight, he goes. Goes Up. It's sixty six hundred fifty eight. RB is okay, but what? I don't remember I don't think a lot of people remember. Is Sami came back that next season and hit sixty three home runs again hitting two eighty, eight three, oh eight the year before it to eighty eight, so beat Roger Marris's record again with sixty three home runs, and then in two thousand had fifty, and then in two thousand and one had sixty four I. don't remember Sosa haven't sixty four home runs, Sammy. Sosa had three seasons over sixty home runs I looked at it. It's like five people ever so sad. Three Maguire had to I was bonds had one. Ruth had one mayors had one, and it's like Sosa had three of these and a five year spanned sixty, six, sixty, three, fifty, sixty, four, forty nine. Are you kidding me? I can't even do that math. Quick enough to know how many home runs that is out of his total of six hundred nine came in four years, so really man just the late ninety Sammy was like. Let's go. Let's earn sixty four again and no one almost top, and that of sixty six just fascinating to kind of dive into. If you guys have time out there and you're kind of. Of like me, don't have really anything better to do. Just surfing around baseball reference just dive on people's pages. Check out their history. Look at some years holy Gosh Man, just look at that so crossing over into Mark Maguire here as well very similar story I late Ninety S. let's see ninety seven. They talked about how he had fifty eight total hit, fifty, two and ninety six, then fifty, eight seventy, and he followed it up with sixty five, so they went seventy and sixty six, and then the following year I think it was sixty, five and sixty three for. For these two guys so ninety nine, the summer of ninety nine people must have been following just as much as the year before, but Maguire's is a little bit more interesting because those are two outliers so i. just hit my mic there I. Apologize For you guys here in that, but talking with my hands. It's the Italian in me coming out here. Self Maguire, though really only two huge years offensively I mean. He hit fifty two and our three years. Okay, so we had fifty to fifty, eight, seventy and sixty five four years across the board once again just. Just like Sosa four years, that's it and the rest of them thirty to thirty nine forty to nine, just really nothing else jumping off the page so clearly the late nineties where we're the time to do it in the time to move in Major League Baseball, but continuing with main names. Everybody knows out there. Barry bonds looking at some of his numbers. If you look at his home, run numbers. His career high was forty six up until he hit seventy three. Yes, he got close right around. Everybody hit forty, nine, seventy, three, forty, six, forty, five, and forty five. Forty, six, seventy three, and it's seven home runs. That's almost. That doesn't make sense. Forty nine to seventy, three, three, eight, three seventy. Wow, he hit three seventy. What Year Wow, he hit three seventy in two, thousand and two, unbelievable, three, forty, one, three, sixty, two, three, twenty, eight shoot, man, so berries, five years, or two thousand, not so much late nineties. Eight thirty seven when they were doing all that stuff, but then seventy, three, forty, six, forty, five and forty five. Goodness gracious for Mr Barry Bonds, but yeah, going from forty five to seventy three as a little something something going on you know in the clubhouse or the dugout. They're so. It's just goodness gracious, and there's more more of that to come. We're going to close with some good stuff here. But a Rod. One that's Kinda known he. He's had a couple of jumps. I mean two thousand and six thirty five home runs two thousand and eight thirty five home runs well. What did he have seven fifty four, somehow sandwiched in the middle there four thirty six. Oh, six, thirty five sandwiched in the Middle Forty Eight, then in two thousand and forty one and obviously knows his time with Texas. We talked about how he was doing but fifty to fifty seven forty seven a day. Alex sets just we know man we, we know. We know that's the reason why you were enjoying yourself. And really it gets back to the conversation of how much do steroids actually do for an individual and if? If. You're looking at the lakes and mcgwire Sosa bonds a Rod. We touched on it their four year windows, fifty, fifty, fifty, fifty, sixty, sixty, whatever it is, these next. Individuals decided that I'm only going to do it for one summer. I'm just GonNa see what happens. We're GONNA. Give it a year, or we're going to try to do a big, and then we're going to disappear into the sunset. Well, that's exactly what happened and I want to start out with Ken Cam Nettie. Now it's never been one hundred percent proven that Ken was on the juice, or Ken was doing any of that type of stuff moving forward, but just looking at Ken and specifically his nineteen ninety-six season. The rest of his career, his High Twenty Six home runs, twenty, six, twenty, nine, thirteen, thirteen, eighteen, well in ninety six, when he won the MVP, so steroids may have won him the MVP ninety six, but he hit forty home runs one hundred thirty thirty. Rb is hit three twenty six, so he went from twenty five for eighteen to twenty home runs to forty and hidden three twenty six in one year off. Where do you go back down? Twenty six ninety to ninety? It's just a fascinating thirty thirty two percent jump in average fourteen and homers and forty. RBI's potentially directly correlated to Hgh or or steroid use at that time. Next we got Brady Anderson the same summer nineteen, ninety, six, this one amazing Okay Brady, Anderson's career, high homerun outside of Nineteen Ninety, six, twenty, four, his average, like seventeen, eighteen, eighteen, nineteen, thirteen twelve, and then in nineteen ninety-six hit fifty home runs, and one hundred and ten rb is hitting to ninety seven just exploded. That's more than double his next year, so literally he went from hidden twenty, one, Thirteen, twelve and sixteen home runs the last four years to somehow just showing up on spring and pop and fifty balls out of the Ballpark it just it doesn't make sense I mean. I mean clearly brady. What did you think we we were going to think? Is like dude. How do you not know what's going on here? So another one like this Luiz? Gonzalez two thousand one Arizona. diamondbacks. Let's Look Luiz home runs outside of two thousand, and won career-high Thirty one in two, thousand, followed by twenty, eight and two, thousand and two so high of essentially thirty, averaged twenty, three, seventeen, twenty, four, fifteen, fifteen, well in two thousand and one Luis Gonzales, hit fifty seven home runs, and had one hundred and forty. Two RB is hitting three twenty five now. Louise could always hit you always to eighty three eleven to seventy. He was always there, but fifty seven home runs up. Up from a career high of thirty one again you hit fifty seven home runs combined in nineteen, ninety, nine and two thousand Oh, and by the way you paid a four hundred sixty two games in two thousand, he came back in two thousand and one. Your team won the world series ultimately in a fantastic series, seven games against the Yankees, but fifty seven and one forty, two, clearly one of the reasons why they won that year, and just man just fascinated. That's one of my favorites. Whenever somebody says steroids or a year whatever I was, go gonzales so one fifty seven. The Guy was a string bean. Could he possibly fifty seven, being the size that he is the only pitcher on the list. That I have here. Eric Ganja from two to four pretty much known. That's that's when things happen for him. Because he came up as a starter for the for the dodgers five one five. And a four seven five era in two thousand and two thousand one, those are full years, those one hundred innings plus. So, then he decides to reinvent himself in the bullpen quote, unquote reinvent yourself two thousand and two one nine seven era, an eighty two innings, two, thousand and three one to. Era In fifty five saves at eighty two innings, and in two thousand four to one ninety Ra in eighty two innings, so he had a streak there of what was at eighty, five straight saves Interro fifty-five one year. Just like what dude you go from a struggling starting pitcher, who's not gonna be able to make the big leagues to winning a Cy Young and finishing sixth in the MVP voting as closer fifty five innings, a one to fifty five saves in eighty two innings a one. Yeah yeah, clearly ab something going on there and your back pocket. Mr Gonyea but I'm surprised that more pitchers are on the list again. Everybody thinks steroids think hitters, deep ball power home runs, but I think pitching. fastballs I think recovery I think relievers throwing every day I think. GONYEA is a perfect example about Al. pitchers could have been leveraging this stuff back in the nineties, but I am not by any means advocating for steroid use in baseball. Obviously, everybody knows it's crazy, legal now crazy amounts of testing, but just a fascinating era in the late nineties early two thousands with no testing to you see guys who hit thirty home runs tops come out and just pop fifty seven out of nowhere and just assume that the best shape of my life and we're seeing the ball well now. That's not how it works, so we're. We're onto you. Oh shucks! That'll wrap it up for the four segment. Here of the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the. PODCAST network we're going to pause right now for word from one of our sponsors and one of our sister shows, but when we come back, we're diving into baseball. Reference Straddle Matic. We're going to get an update on the simulation. See what's going on, so stick with us. Everybody, we'll be right back. Are you looking to get your college? 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What's going on so jumping back into the standing side of things? We're going to start team oriented then we'll get over to the individual side of things but. The baseball reference simulation starting in the American league. They have the new. York Yankees eight and a half games up on the race. Who are a game under five hundred so the alias? Is the only team above five hundred I would be very very surprised if the race were under five hundred Boston, Toronto Baltimore, not so much, but Tampa would be an extreme disappointment at thirty, seven and thirty eight, going over to the AL central, the Cleveland Indians at the top of the show trailed by the Minnesota twins who were seven games back, but forty-one and thirty four the Chicago. CHICAGO WHITE SOX remain over five hundred is they try to figure things out potentially getting that wildcard conversation, and the royals and tigers, and the bottom here in the Al West the Seattle Mariners Somehow still figuring it out in the middle of June. They have yet to hit that wall yet, but they are currently being pursued by pretty much everyone in the division. This is fantastic division here. The Mariners, forty, four and thirty, one Oakland, forty, four and thirty, one the angels, forty, two in thirty, one in Houston forty, one and thirty two, so that leaves the Texas Rangers Twenty One games back at twenty, three and fifty two just wow, goodness, gracious, so let's see they would have the Yankees the Indians and the mariners, and then the wildcard. would be the athletics, and the angels sat would be a fascinating American league in baseball reference now in straddle matic in the American, league, let's see who they have dancing here. They have Tampa Bay looniness division over New York Right Now New York only two games over five hundred, so reference Has New York, very good Tampa at five hundred straddle matic his vice. Vice versa, but those are the only two teams in the east that either of them see having a potential opportunity Cleveland winning the central, and this one as well. Minnesota and second place still in pretty good shape, Chicago a little bit further back here, but then into the Al West they like. The Houston Astros was strat. O Matic being trailed by Oakland then. Then the La Angels, so the playoffs on this side of things would be Tampa Bay Cleveland, and Houston in the wildcards would be. It looks like Minnesota and Oakland so that would be a strong postseason from strat o Matic on the National League side I can't argue with that New York's a game and a half out of the wild card then Kansas City. City, Toronto Chicago all those guys getting a three to five games back on that side of things, but transitioning over now to the National League side. The least in baseball reference has the Atlanta Braves half game up on the nationals with the Philadelphia. Phillies only four games out. They started slow in this simulation, but they're now officially five hundred four games out. Flirting with that wildcard here in the NFL right where the phillies seem to want to be, but the central the Saint Louis Cardinals eight games up on the Brewers, the brewers, the only other team in that division over five hundred. They got my reds at thirty, four and forty as the potential surprise in the National League, but then the NFL west, the best team in the entire league, and it's not even close. The La Dodgers, fifty six and eighteen next best team record looks to be. Saint Louis at forty, seven and twenty six, but. The dodgers and the Colorado Rockies at forty and thirty three fifteen games back, but in the wild cards right now you'd have the braves, cardinals, dodgers, and then rockies and nationals in the wildcard for baseball reference going over to straddle matic in the National League here. Let's see the police. They have Washington at the top Atlanta, three and a half out the phillies third place four games under five hundred in this one so Washington, really out in front there daylight the cardinals as well. Well however the Chicago cubs, only half a game back, so they got the cubs and cardinals, fighting it out coming down the stretch, and then the dodgers being chased by the Padres, but still seven and a half games up, even though the padres are having a good summer that leaves the NL wildcards or the NFL postseason Washington Saint Louis in l. a., and then the wildcards San Diego in Atlanta with the cubs, a game out being trailed by Milwaukee Arizona and Colorado after. After that, so a lot of baseball left to be played here, obviously in the month of June July August September left almost two to three months, but you start to see here. Some trends you start to see who could potentially make a run. WHO's hanging around? Who has fallen off and it's? It's curious just to see a Yankees raised in the East Indians, twin socks and the central athletics angels. Astros braves nationals phillies cardinals, brewers, cubs, dodgers, rockies said there's a lot of common. Common names in both of these simulations at about potential postseason teams moving forward, but jumping into some individual performances here, let's see from the offensive side of things. The top war for position players in baseball reference Juan Soto followed by Mike Trout Cody bellinger the top batting average that one's going to Michael Brantley hitting three, seventy, one in Houston Ozzy Albee's three, sixty, six, one Soto, three, sixty, one and Daniel Murphy at three fifty two. Those are the only individuals over three fifty. Let's look at it here? Home Runs Pete Alonzo Twenty eight. He's four on cody bellinger for the League, League Mike Trout Torres with twenty-three RBI's Sir your now still at the top seventy six, although Juan Soto's one behind it, seventy five, so Alvarez off to that huge start early on I, kept commenting on it based on last year's pace, just fascinating to see but Soto closing the gap with seventy five, and then next is fifty nine, so those two guys, clearly ahead of everybody else would clearly win their respective crowns in the national and American Leagues. Stolen basis we're looking at Malik Smith with thirty seven in Seattle behind him. Byron Buxton with twenty, two in Minnesota Smith. Who Fifteen a lead there? Man That's a lot for stolen bases, so if you want to watch him speed checkout Smith. They're on the west coast. Offensively for Strat Matic Charlie. BLACKMON hidden for three forty seven is the top number I think it was three seventy something with baseball reference so layer three, thirty, eight, Edmund, three, thirty, five, Harare's three thirty five, so not as much offense on the strat o matic simulation that's for sure looking at home runs Trevor Story with twenty eight, so layer with twenty Alonzo at twenty two. Two so layer with seventy seven rb is so he leads the way with twenty seven and seventy seven story has twenty eight and sixty two, and then you get into the lights of crews and lend door at fifty, six and fifty five, moving forward so stolen bases. They got Christian Yelich with twenty four men. Nobody here from Seattle. No Smith on this side of things. Villar twenty three, so interesting to see missing the name got a League leader for baseball reference, and not even on the list here for Strat O. Matic but transitioning over to the mound, lastly here, looking at some individuals e, R. Leaders Have Walker Bueller one, nine six, Clayton Kershaw to one four. Lucas G Lido. Two three, one and Caleb Smith two three three. kind of anti ranger swore s two three five. Wow Ranger swears isn't even going to be in the rotation, and they got him at the number five era and all of baseball. Wow, lefty for the fills throws like ninety. They got fifth in the League in Era Ahead of the likes of Wilson. Flaherty, Sherzer price like let's do I. Don't know I'm not buying that one. I'd have to dive in to the team side of things to see what's going on. The Save. Let's see Giovanni Gaydos Swift Twenty, two and twenty one saint Louis Kenley Jansen with out in La then Jairo de as with nineteen in Colorado and strikeouts. Max Scherzer leads the way with one forty, nine, being chased by Garrett Cole at one forty, according to baseball reference so strat o matic here, looking at some pitching statistics. They got Blake Snell with the Best Dra in the. The League one six six very much in front of Clayton Kershaw at two point two five, but both reference straddle matic. Clayton Kershaw can still spin it and still play I myself. I'm starting to get worried about the amount of bullets being thrown there, and if he's potentially starting to slow down, but they liked that breaking ball, and they like those stats here with the simulation so. Let's see number of Saves Janssen with twenty three Gates with twenty-three Hater with twenty two. Haters name that we didn't see on the baseball reference side so that's exciting moving forward, but. Let's see if we can find strike outs here. Real quick on the pitching side of things are a little bit more difficult to find on the straddle matic side of things as per nine. Let's see here. Garrett Cole Blake. SNELL, lead the way they're so. Let's see if I could find total strikeouts there is Blake Snell one thirty six, Garrett Cole One. Thirty, two Jacob degrom, one, thirty, two, your top three from an individual performance perspective, but that wrap it up here for the fifth segment of the GSM see baseball podcast brought to you by the. PODCAST network. We don't yet have real baseball to talk about here. As of June eighteenth so I, continue to fill you guys in with the simulations. Well. We're GONNA. Continue on this path here. When we come back in the sixth and final segment of the baseball podcast, we're going to talk a little bit more about the K. B o the. Kinda give you guys update. See if you've been following along out there, I know I have I've been watching Korean baseball pretty much every morning on ESPN because I'm a baseball guy, and that's what I do so I'm your host gave them all like. This is a GMC baseball podcast. Hang with us. Everybody will be right back. Are you looking for the very best nfl and college football podcast then check out the GSM. 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Though the weather's creeping up, there were flirting with the ninety s still in the Eighties Still Kinda Nice around this way, but we'll get there eventually so wherever you're at out there in the country. Hopefully you're continuing to stay safe continuing to stay out of harm's way, we have the corona virus that we're continuing to deal with as a nation here, we. We WanNA think that it just up and left, and it's gone now, but it is still out there. It is still causing havoc if you're following the news if you're listening from the state of Arizona the State of Texas the State of Florida, please stay safe things continue to increase I've seen record highs for daily cases, and some of those states, which is obviously not what you want to see in the month of June after we thought we got through the worst of it in the month of. March April may in some spots, so continue to try to be socially distant out there continued to try to maintain safe space from everybody, and we'll hopefully get through this sooner than later here, but wrap up today's episode I know we like to have some fun here in the six segment, but today's episode I figured I'd give you guys an update on the K B o, the seeped touch on everything. That's going on out there every morning at five, thirty, five, forty, five, six, o'clock, whenever you're waking up, that's east coast time so if you're out on the west coast before you go to bed at about two thirty in the morning. There is K. B O on espn six days a week. They're broadcasting the games overseas. I myself I've been watching reruns during the day off. Forget about it. Get up! It'll be like nine. o'clock in the game will be over and I'll be like Oh. I WANNA. See who won this morning. Well, ESPN plays it on demand for you. You can pretty much rewind it. It back and check it out. So for those of you haven't been following along others. A few teams distancing themselves in the KB at the top of the list. We have the NC diagnose there at twenty six and eleven at the top of the list. Some people are talking about how they could potentially be the top K B O team. Ever they're really. They're really just porn on everywhere else. It's just kinda fascinating to see what's going on with the daigneault's. Next up. You've got the LG twins. Let's see their twenty four and thirteen, so they've turned it on lately. The DYNO's have lost four of five. And the twins have won four of five, so they're. They've closed the gap there at the top. But a little bit of a gap between then the Dusan bears who have lost four or five, the key whom heroes at twenty, one and seventeen. They're tied with the KIA. Tigers, it looks like they will definitely make the playoffs here moving forward, and then the bottom side, the low tae giants Samsung Lions right at five hundred with the KT whiz, the Cave reruns, and the Hanwha Eagles bringing up the rear. Nine and twenty nine, really struggling at the bottom of the list there, but if you see the NC, Dino's are going to be on television. You may want to check them out. There are a lot of fun to watch and the reason that they're at the top of the list is because they're getting some great individual contributions. They got the top hitter. In the League King. Jinsong is hitting four thirty nine this year. A really impressive start forty-seven hits eight walks only thirteen strikeouts in one hundred and seven at bats. Behind him got Jose Miguel Fernandez one of the international players for the Dusan bears hitting three ninety sixty hits at one hundred and fifty four at-bats, Li, Jiang, who for the key womb hero, sitting three seventy nine. Let's see male Rojo's junior, another foreign guy for the KT whiz three seventy six Roberto Ramos hidden three, seventy, five, and then Leeming G. for the NC Dino Sit. Sit In three seventy one so the dino, two of the top six hitters in the league, one of them hitting four, thirty, nine, one of them hitting three seventy one. That's pretty big reason why they're at the top of the there offensively, but looking at the top guys. Homerun Wise Roberto Ramos with thirteen of them for the twins throw Haas junior with twelve for the WHIZ. Whiz Nas Sung Bum let's see for the diagnose. He has eleven Preston Tucker as ten for the Tigers and Aaron all tear has nine for the Dino, so the dino to the top five home run hitters in the lake to the top five in average to the top five and home runs. Let's see and they have two of the top four in three of the top. Top Five and RBI's Preston Tucker leads the league with thirty second for the Tigers Row Haas junior again for the whiz with thirty six. Aaron all tear former Philadelphia Philly kind of aquatic guy couldn't really figure it out couldn't stay. Healthy couldn't put it together. He's got thirty six. RB is not sung. Bum has thirty three for the Dino, so they continue their strong start. Off offensively over in the show, but. Let's see looking at the pitching side of things for the K B, O, the top era gentlemen comes from the Dyno's as well coaching, Mo- point seven five era in forty eight innings. Then you have, Eric. Jockey for the heroes, one, six, eight and forty eight innings Dan Stray. Lee Two. Oh, eight and forty seven innings, and one pay in two three zero in forty three innings for the. The Samsung Lions as your top guys performing wise pitching. Let's see who leads the League in wins. That's rule out CANTERA. He's six and one for the Dusan Bears Coaching Mo five and over the NC dyno's Jockettes, five and two for the heroes, the same guys in the area, the same guys with a lot of the wins in the League moving forward, and then the most strikeouts coaching. Coaching Mo- at the top with fifty to dance Rayleigh has fifty drew resent. sqi Has forty-nine for the Dino, so Donald, two of the top three strikeout pitchers, and then the Kia Tigers have number four and five withdrew Gagman and Aaron Brooks on the mound side of things so the Dyno's really showing you know they're the best of the bunch there when it comes to the K B O. O, they're being pursued by the top four so all above five hundred all really solid ball clubs. If you're seeing them on, ESPN, you should definitely check them out and switch on over but Let's see let's wrap today's episode crews and over to the L., the Taiwanese league. It was the first professional league back live here. The raccoon monkeys still lead the way twenty, one and fifteen. They are, let's see tied in first place with the chinatrust brothers who've actually played four more games at twenty, three and seventeen, so based on winning percentage there in second place, the Bond Guardians at Sixteen and twenty one the UNI president lions. Coming up in the basement at seventeen and twenty four, but looking at the racquet monkeys individually offense, they're being led by Zing Ping Lin. Who In thirty one games hitting four, sixty, two, only one home run, so not a Bauer, Guy, but plenty of at bats, so he would qualify. Then you got Li Lin hitting four zero six with ten home runs and thirty five rb is he's a strong offensive candidate for raccoon, and they're also led by Zoos Zang's zoo, a as twelve home runs and twenty nine Rbi's hitting three forty six on the mound. Five and one Lisa Air. Togo, NIA is five and one with a three Oh. Nine era in fifty five innings, Ryan carpet or three and two with a three six two. We are a in fifty four innings. The pitching side of things strong from the international players, Baena and carpenter for the raccoon monkeys. Let's see here. Let's look at the Chinatrust. Brothers tied for first place. They're being led offensively by Zhao. House Zang who has hidden three forty with ten home runs and forty rbis. A few of the other guys easings on six home runs thirty one RB. Sit in three thirty three. We Dasu five home runs. Twenty eight rbis hidden three thirty six on the mound here. Let's see they got quiz he. WHO has a six nine era in twenty-six means he's foreign. Strong Start for him June we woo two and one two three to six. Out of the bullpen strong, but the pitching isn't as strong for Chinatrust. As we saw for the rotten monkeys there, and then the final two teams, the bond guardians they're being led offensively by the likes of she high. Hidden three fifty three with six home runs and sixteen RBI's. They also have ju-lin cow owl, hitting three fourteen with seven home runs and twenty rb is, and then on the mound they are lead Oh man, Henry so says kind of leading them with a four one three. When fifty six innings so pitching, really the problem when it comes to on and these lower level teams, especially the uni-president Alliance here offensively, they are led by Zaid Sue. Who's got fourteen home runs and thirty seven rb is is sitting three seventeen. That's the League lead in home runs at fourteen. They also have n Que Lynn. Who's got nine home runs thirty five RBI sitting three thirty eight, but from. From a pitching perspective, their lowest rotational piece Ryan Fair Bent. He has a four four one era and fifty one eight Z, King, C., five, three nine in forty four innings, so the starting pitcher for the pitchers for the UNI President, seven eleven lions, really letting them down here as they move into June and get halfway through the EP, but that'll do ladies and gentlemen. That's another episode of the. Baseball podcast. We had a lot of fun talking to you guys today, the first couple of segments discussing. The optimism in the latest in negotiations about how Manfred and Tony, Clark actually sat down with each other were able to hash out some details. Get a little bit of momentum going towards hopefully a deal by the time I talked to you guys next on Mondays episode within discussed long-gone Summer, the steroid era and baseball the late nineties some of the craziness. Seasons that happen during that timeframe and then finally i. Got You guys all caught up on your international baseball. The K B O the. 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The Rational Insecurity Edition

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Not at all tawdry loveness on the shore of the sea sailed so many years ago by the minions of augustus. Did you ever think you would live to see the day well. This reminds me of how sheron i met when i was swimming far out to sea and she was working as a lifeguard and i was waving my hands hysterically basically just to get her attention and she came out to rescue on those little floaty things and then we didn't actually come back to short now. You should know that when there's no lifeguard on duty. They put up a giant signed which says aamodt seal which you could translate as there is no savior which i think really should be the political motto of our care. Also you said duty. My name is ephron. I don't mean to brag. But i've lately been doing a thing called intermittent fasting where you eat eight hours a day and then you don't eat for sixteen hours a day and at first i lost a lot of weight but lately a few pounds have slowly returned demonstrating. I think that it's not the number of hours that you feel with food that matters but rather the amount of food that you fill your hours with and it's not like both. That's not the way i was raised. But they have not invented the diet. That can beat me. You can only imagine my pride this week. We have three topics of grand importance. But i sadly we have this memorial matter. A member of knesset named moshe are bell from the amis rocky ultra-orthodox. Shas party asked this week for time on the day to make a personal statement and when his moment came he said this quote the appalachia because is closed on. Passover it is a symbol of coexistence of arabs and jews as well as a culinary and social symbol this year for the first time the apple lafayette bakery did not open its doors as passover ended because of the coronavirus regulations commie sob lafayette. May his memory be a blessing represented. Well the family tradition and what it represented. He was a businessman and a renaissance man. He studied law social sciences and humanities and was also a journalist and did a great deal for coexistence. I send from this place. My condolences to the great abu. Lafayette family sympathize. With the passing of hamis and pray for better and healthier days. Thank you and quote. Anyone who has been knows. Abul fay's at street just south of the clock tower near the flea market and we all have stories about it for me about the time. I got out of the army at daybreak on a friday. Got a good trump was at lafayette at five thirty in the morning. Eating warm bread a whole weekend of freedom and susan opening up ahead of me or the time that i chaperone the girl seventh grade class on an all night walkabout in the city with stops at a factory that prince paper and with discussion with allenby prostitutes and with your oh fishermen early in the morning and finally a walk that ended up at abu lafayette in the morning. All of us eating warm bread the bakery has been in ya fo in one place since eighteen. Seventy nine. The young abu. Lafayette behind the counter. That you meet that. This shop today are sixth generation but it was in nineteen sixty nine. The bakeries ninetieth year that the place became really famous. That was when sayed ashrafi ran the business and a man who had a shoe store a few doors down named rabbi schlomo zalman strapper came to him with a proposition bothered strapper that all through passover when it's illegal for jews to sell leaven bread people came from all around the city to buy contraband p towed and such from appalachia who as a muslim was allowed to bake strapper. Said if you'll close the bakery for passover all raise the money to pay you what you would have earned if you'd stayed open and saieed. Lafayette pious man agreed so he has closed on the morning before pessac and reopened just as the holiday ended selling fresh bread to people. Start for who lined up snaking up yet at one hundred meters to the top of the hill the next year the arrangement held and for the year after that but on the sixth year. Cy lafayette told strapper. He didn't need to get paid to close his business for the week. he'd do it for god and for goodwill camis via with ten. When all that began he was the fifth child of the fifth generation of yellow up. Lafayette has homicide. Means five and this thing of living side-by-side muslims christians and jews. He absorbed it somehow and it became a theme. Maybe the theme of his life. He grew up in adamy ofo then. A mixed neighborhood and later told how on poor him he'd skip school at the church. Run private academy. He went to so he could put on a kost human hang for the day with his friends. He went to tel aviv. University studying international relations and also humanities reading hebrew literature and poetry which he said as an israeli obligation to master and that he anyway loved when he was still a student. How alum hazza or you have great leftist tabloid ran a long interview with him under the headline to be an arab in the time of kahane wherein his interviewer sorry. I tried to get him to say something angry but she couldn't. It was a time of the lebanon. War and i believe you said quote my friends in the reserves are fighting there and i worry about them i also have a great uncle who lives in lebanon and he has sons. What can i tell you and quote comey. Sabathia went on for law degree and he had a column in a local paper and a radio show but mostly he ran the bakery with his father and then with his brothers and in time his nephews and sons but a lot of what he did was somehow about muslims jews and christians living together. This was true of the bakery itself which somehow came to be a symbol of existence. That's what phil rosenthal discovered when he stumbled on the place in the first season of somebody feed phil. I pass your bigger before and it looks so good. I want to buy something. I happen to walk by a bakery. And i noticed that the arab gentleman behind the counter had a shirt arabs and jews refused to be enemies. Seventy nine yeah. My grandfather started this bakery. And we've always existed with arab jews before nineteen forty eight after nineteen forty eight so we decided to you certainly as a tribute. That's a good story. History and coexistence also became a kind of organizing principle of hamis. Abula fiennes life about fifteen years ago. He told a british writer named atom libor. That he was near the old bus station when a woman a kid really asked for help agitated quote she was about sixteen and she said that three guys were bothering her. I told her to come with me and told them to leave her alone that she was my daughter. They apologized she was from beersheva. I took her to sit down. Bought her a drink and some pizza and said nobody would disturb her while i was with her after a while she asked if i was an arab i told her yes. She didn't wanna believe me. I asked she said because arabs are always bothering us even killing us for me. This was a golden opportunity. I said those who are bothering you know were jewish. That doesn't mean that. All jews are rapists. Maybe you met her. Saw some bad arabs. Now you met a good one and quote. I will laugh. You said the woman asks for his number and the next day he got a call from her father who invited him to visit the family and beersheva to thank him in a friendship was born. All of it sounds to pretty. I know but i laugh. You did not hold an airbrushed picture of what is what between jews. In israel after bulldozers toppled the old dolphinarium building on the beach a few years ago. He wrote this quote in the eyes of residents of yaw full. The dolphinarium compound is an inseparable part of the mythological neighborhood of mount chia one of the most important neighbours in yaw fo- before the establishment of the state. Here abul off. Your discreetly left unmentioned. What we all in any case. No that in april nineteen forty eight the s. l. militia broadcast on local radio that if the residents of manchester didn't flee. They could expect the same as what happened to the people of sin where just a few weeks. Before that. at so- soldiers had murdered women children and old men during and after a battle over the village will off your went on. The dolphinarium represents a great breaking point in the relations jews and arabs in the city. The murderous terrorist attack there twelve years ago was the start of a wave of racism that reached its high point during the bloody second. Intifada a riled. Jewish mob threatened to execute vengeance on muslim worshippers who took refuge and hold up in the nearby mosque for our residents of y'all fo. The dolphinarium is the place where their relations with the jews of the city shattered and have never yet been repaired and quote commie sob. Lafayette believed that they could be repaired. And that what it took was grasping every golden opportunity when it arose one small act after another his whole life one small after another of creating common cause last month believe he got covid nineteen and last week he died in italy hospital. I heard that crowd spontaneously showed up at the bakery on yet and the people kept coming and coming. Comey's appalachia was sixty when he died. His favorite movie was gandhi. When he died he had watched it more than twenty times. May his memory be for blessing today. Six topic won and irony wrapped in a prevarication inside them. And acidy as the knesset votes sixty one to fifty four in a preliminary reading to disperse itself with the support of bennigans and his blue and white party. Who voted against the very coalition. They are senior. Members of there are still committees that need to commit and three more votes. That need to be voted before the bill becomes a law but it seems like a first step towards an election that const- does not seem to want even though he voted for the bill and that prime minister netanyahu does seem to want even though he voted against. The bill were in bizarro world. People will try to make sense of it topic to remember that name reside day as apparently the mossad takes out the head of the covert iranian nuclear weapons program. Most on faris a day could be with cool. Remote control. satellite relay robot guns mounted on a self destructing car. And here home of maybe the most schismatic agonists tick and it was a horse. It was a mule political debate anywhere on the globe. Almost no one has a word of criticism to say about it. It is as though for israelis killing iranian. Tightest is utterly politicized this while across the ocean in america. The thing seems to be hyper politicized. We'll try to understand the difference in the reactions and to do so. We will be joined by dr tomorrow. Coffin with us former deputy assistant secretary for near eastern affairs at the state department and currently senior fellow at the center for middle east policy at the brookings institution which until two thousand and seventeen. She directed keep it under your hats. But we hear she might be america's next ambassador to israel or at least if we have anything to do with it sadly we don't arguably most important. He is the host of the sako brilliant podcast rational security and topic three arcs and sciences. That's a pun. An arts and sciences as the government broadcast network con airs a controversial documentary about the archaeology the ark of the covenant based mostly on the work of tel aviv university archeologist. Who says that king. David never got his mitts on the holy ark at all because he was a minor bedouin chieftain living in a backwater village population two hundred call jerusalem and that any bible that says otherwise. It's a pack of lies hawked by lying liars. What do we to make this sort of science will wonder and for our most unreasonably generous patriot supporters in our extra special special extra discussion. About which by the way you can always learn and to which you can always find a link in the show notes in your podcast app or at patriotair dot com slash. Promise podcast this week in honor of the seventieth birthday of the great songwriter rockstar. Ninety one hundred. We'll each talk about a couple of our favorite song from his astonishing career which is honor admittedly but not honor enough. So before you get to any of that. Listen to this. Too adam savage. I'm A that song is meek and thereby by anderson who turned seventy this week and who with speaker pick was my first love in israeli music but also has been so amazingly creative spring that never stops burgling to make the point in honor of his seventieth. Birthday we'll listen over the course of the hour. Two songs from just the last decade of his endlessly creative career and now it is time for discussion so allison. What are we going to get. I a vaccine or elections. I'm definitely looking forward to one much more than the other. yes indeed. It looks like a new israeli elections. The fourth round in less than two years is the thing that nobody really wants. But no one can figure out how to avoid We're recording now on thursday. So yesterday on wednesday a bill brought by the opposition to disperse the knesset passed in a preliminary vote. Sixty one to fifty four fifteen of those sixty one votes came from the blue and white party a senior partner in the government whose leader bennigan's serves as alternate prime minister the night before the vote count said at a press conference that he quote thought. Netanyahu would rise to the occasion. Excuse me absolutely caught your of running a responsible government in the face of the corona crisis but quote. It didn't happen. He said that. Quote netanyahu is only working to save himself from his trial. Netanyahu for his part spoke last night in response to what he accused blue and white of doing from the very beginning of their coalition He said that they were being quote. A government within the government opposition within the coalition. That speech inspired the headline a classic. Almost everything he said was a lie. Netanyahu's speech would shatter lie detector. Thirty six of the fifty four votes against spanning the knesset were cast by members of the likud prime minister netanyahu said before that vote that quote. This is not the time for elections. This is the time for unity. One of the ironies of this vote is that in a way each man is seeking the of what he said. He wanted and how he voted. Benny gaunt's whose blue and white party in the next election whenever it may happen is almost destined to go from being a real contender for prime minister to becoming the head of a small over lookabill party and he is not eager to speed his own political demise prime minister netanyahu seeks to retain the power of the premiership in order to delay or stop his corruption trial from preceding has rather obviously decided that he is not gonna let that rotation agreement he entered with guns go forward as scheduled a year from now and that means he's got to have new elections before then sometime so he is yes in favor of toppling the government and going to new elections. But he doesn't really wanna do it now. He prefers to do it later. After a vaccine has improved the nation's health economy and mood and maybe a couple more countries have decided to normalize relations with israel making him the big hero. Another irony is that extensively the great disagreement between the prime minister and the alternate prime minister is over whether and when a budget should be passed and for how long gone says that. It is dangerously irresponsible for the country to go forward without ratified budget in time of a pandemic which is essentially what it's been doing all year. We still don't really have an official budget and we're heading into december. Netanyahu says because of the pandemic is crucial to get the budget exactly right which is hard and should not be rushed when each man argued their case they make it sound like they're speaking from high principle but in fact when they speak of the budget each is mainly speaking about something else prime minister. Netanyahu refuses to pass the budget because of an arcane rule of knesset procedure. That dictates that the knesset is automatically. Dispersed year's budget is not passed by the end of march unless some special legislation extends the deadline. Which is what it's been doing all through twenty twenty by not passing a budget. Now netanyahu ensures that he can topple the government in march which would give us elections in the summer. By which time the vaccine would have improved moods and bank statements Also he wouldn't have to force a vote for it to happen. It would happen automatically in insisting on the budget guns is really saying. I want to prevent the prime minister from toppling the government at the time which is most opportune for him to do so on his timeline. So there you have it folks. It is a hall of mirrors. One thing we know for sure is that a first step was taken. Yesterday towards elections officially the bill was passed in a preliminary reading and now it goes through committees and then it needs to be voted forward three more times. Meaning that all kinds of tricks sticks can happen before the knesset is actually dispersed. Which could happen in weeks in months or even not at all of that is pretty unlikely. And that leads us to all kinds of questions. Was benny ganz right to finally not cave into the prime minister's bullying prevarications and if he is right to vote to quit the government does that mean he was wrong to join in. The first place might new elections actually be good for the country. Don you got any thoughts on this. Well let's start with the questions you're asking here. No he should not have gone into this government because it destroyed his party. It destroyed his party as a viable contender and he will likely never be prime minister I mean the party has to achievements that they can claim They've contributed to preventing annexation which is a major thing. Although it's not clear that they really were the key player and it wasn't just netanyahu's calculus that he would rather go for the normalization with Gulf states over annexation And to some degree they balanced Or reduce the attacks on the court. But that's that's not that much for the price that they paid of destroying the party that they had built to try to topo. Netanyahu laid out all. Why care about the party that they built. I can understand why guns might care about it. But why why should we care because for the same reason that many of us voted for it once twice or three times which was that there was finally a party that fought or seemed could actually replace the netanyahu government And you know look who is one of a kind. He's unique This government as a government is incredibly. Dysfunctional is not managing the krona virus. Terribly well And it's and it's become more or less the bbc's show every accomplishment is solely his accomplishment and partly they are solely as accomplishments because he doesn't let anyone else be involved even know about no. I mean the defense minister And the foreign minister were both left. Out of all of the negotiations with The gulf states to reach normalization. Because it's it's all about netanyahu it's what you said alison it's it's all about his strategy to avoid his trial and the fact that that's what's determining our policies and our decision making And may have affected the even the assassination that took place of the iranian scientists. Which will talk about in the next segment. You know all of those things. There's something really crazy about that but you know what you were you. You were relieved to win. This vote went forward and not relieved. Because i don't you know you know again. Be careful what you wish for. The government goes down. What's likely to take its place what's likely to take its place as a is a more right wing government which could in fact give netanyahu what he wants. It's not clear that he'll be the prime minister. Though so that you know that those dynamics could change. Bennett is Is going up in the polls dramatically. So I think i think god's at least wants wanted to make a stand and say you're not gonna keep humiliating me and you're not gonna do this at your convenience and put some pressure on them. Whether we're really had elections are not still not clear. Can't really tell what you think about this. Actually but i didn't know what i think about it either. So i'm not blaming you for that. Alison what do you think about it. Now i just. I'm obsessed with the queen's gambit on netflix on my third watch of it and Beth harm in the chessmaster in it she keeps putting her opponents into positions in which all of their choices are bad ones. You know they do this. They lose they do that. They lose an. It just seems to me that. Benjamin netanyahu is the beth harmon of israeli politics and gas was in a position if he If he just kept caving in caving in caving netanyahu he was going to lose and now that he's sort of standing up to netanyahu he He decided to To form the commission to investigate the submarine affair and you know to in order to stand up to him and now he is agreeing to move forward towards new elections. Not on netanyahu's time line to try to To try to keep him off his feet but But netanyahu has quickly turned that into his advantage as much as he. Can you know basically playing the blame game saying. Oh you look good. Gas is going to be the one dragging you people into elections when we know that who really wants new elections in order to avoid the rotation. He just wants it on On his own own time line. I have to say like devil's advocate. You know you see how cleverly and manipulative Netanyahu is with this. And i guess if you put your shoes maybe more put yourself in the shoes of the average voter. You're like wow. I want this like trickster on my side. Making all of these deals for israel you know the small i want the smart guy at the head of the of the country not the not the sucker Guns has been a very very noble and well-intended sucker. I think it's true and there's some relief in just seeing him stand up now and saying lies lies. I will take it no more because the just there's something painful about watching the day to day you million that this guy goes through an also. There's something about the about the chirad all like the way. That netanyahu presents what he's doing is always as though. I promised in august that we would have a budget but then it didn't work out into the night in december and now now this morning as i was biking over. I heard that they're trying to craft the deal that would allow them to bring the budget in january. He swears he pinky swears. He wears that this time. He's going to do it and we're all supposed to pretend that we sort of believe this even though nobody believes it. There's nobody believes it. And there's something. I think that's really destructive about that state of affairs where you're in this chirad pretending but everyone knows that it's just this this this web of lies that and so that's kind of made a relief. That guns is saying seems to be saying though he could change his mind still. There are lots of ways to get them out but to get out of what he's doing but he seems to be saying enough. I will enough of the lies either. Pass the budget in december. Like you said or we're going to new elections. Well he had. I mean it's a now did have another win in this in that he helped fragment the mostly arab joint list because he he manipulate situations what it seems like to get the rom. The islamic party which has four seats in that coalition. Not to Do they didn't show up for the. We're gonna talk about that next week. But i think but I i don't. I don't know if that's really exactly a part of the Of this election thing per se but we will we will see how that develops but it is true that netanyahu seems as though he's in a strong position. I mean it's interesting that people who are opposed to netanyahu and thinking needs to be switched are weighing between obviously bad scenarios. Where the the people who argue that. The it's for the best to go to elections now do not believe that. These elections will topple netanyahu. They just believe that if we leave it until for a few more months and then the elections are in the summer instead of in the spring. That netanyahu will do even better right. Although those numbers are down look there at least the polls are projecting. He would do significantly worse than he did in the in the last election. Who's his biggest rival. So if you're on the on the left or the centre left you know how is it. How is it great that Netanyahu is down in the polls because he's being so threatened by someone even further to the right of him. Well what's the co it's also what's the coalition you're imagining. We'll we'll come in. Its place. I mean there. Is it conceivable that there would be a coalition of sha teed yamina and blue and white And and leave the likud or them with the likud. I mean it's it's what are we picturing remember. Today's opposition includes right-wingers and left-wingers so it's You know again. What are the options. The options are in great and as usual as usual. The left democratic or the centre-left is looking for a savior looking to draft. Some figure who again is going to be a political novice on the national scene and probably once again will be eaten for lunch by netanyahu. Oh well i guess. I started this conversation really not knowing what i thought and i think that i might have come to the conclusion that when you're faced with alternatives between a future that is almost certainly going to be bad a future. That is almost certainly going to be worse than you might as. Well just do something that leaves you with. A little shred of bad is against basically face by by standing up in moving forward with the bad thing is is to have elections in march and the even worse thing is elections in july. And i just. I mean with that. 'cause it's not exactly on the subject but is a big problem in that That we we have no mail in ballots. We have no absentee ballots. You must go to the polls on election day. So elections in march in if the pandemic is still raging which we imagine it will because we're not going to get any kind of major vaccine distribution by then it's going to be a really really difficult scenario in which to conduct an election. Okay well we'll talk about that as it gets closer. Now listen to this over my diva gnome allowed and shoot me by all heavy data. Counselor do a black shoe so sean. That song is fat. The gum so donnie sanderson and now it is time for our second discussion which we are calling. Remember that name. Factory zadeh the introduction to which requires a little introduction which introduction to the introduction. I am now introducing because there is nothing. I like better than regress. But i digress this weekend. I got a message from a fellow named samuel j aaronson who learns is an assistant dean down and historian of the holocaust with a special interest in scientific theology which could hardly be cooler and he wrote quote. The only two podcasts. I listened to immediately after they hit my feed are yours and rational security over the summer. Both teased a crossover episode and in light of the assassination earlier this week. It sounds like a perfect time. I love to hear both of you discuss this important topic and quote. And i don't know how much people who don't have podcasts. Themselves know about the world of podcast three but we basically all have places in davos paid for by the rand corporation so the other evening while we were getting rub downs i tomorrow kaufman widow of rational security about samuel j aaronson and she said what lark let's do let's do and so the matter was closed. Which is why. I can say to my delight that she is here with us for this discussion. Now have already recounted the remarkable things that tamara has done and run and britain. But i will just say that the very first time. I taught anything as a second year grad student. Tamara was a student. And i thought. Hey if just one in one hundred students is brilliant and charming as creative as this kid. This is the greatest professional on earth. My point she misled me. No one is brilliant. Charming and creative is this woman. I'm still mad about it. Actually setting the bar so high. Oh well that's the introduction to the interaction interaction also the introduction to the interruption so without any delay. Let me get to the introduction. So according to sources in iran morton factories day was driving with his wife to visit her folks in a town called up about an hour and a quarter from downtown tehran where the factories as live behind his car was another this one filled with bodyguards. Factories ida. It was an important man. A brigadier general in the iranian revolutionary. Guard the man in charge of iran's covert nuclear weapons program and they physics professor at imam hossain university and for years threats on his life have piled up like old newspapers as the two cars passed through a about an empty black nissan parked on the side of the road. Blew up bringing down power line men with automatic weapons streams from hyundai santa fe. Suv parked nearby. While other gunmen raced to the scene on motorcycles altogether twelve assassins materialize killing the bodyguards and leaving their target. Moxham factories added to bleed to death on the pavement. His wife was unharmed so or the assassins later. Different sources in iran said that there hadn't been any assassins at all and that fox resided car was strafed by a remote control automatic weapon mounted in an empty black nissan. Maybe operated by signal bounced from satellite either way factories. I was dead not much later. Prime minister netanyahu posted on facebook a video at his desk in a jovial mood. That began quote. I want to share with you a list of things. I did this week. A partial list. Because i cannot tell you everything and quote prime minister. Netanyahu's face was the face of the cat that just riddled the canary with bullets from a gun operated from afar by a signal. Bounce from a satellite fox is a canary that israel has been watching closely for a very long time. He had long been according to journalist. Religion bergman who is probably our best source for just things quote the number. One target of the mossad which is widely believed to be behind a series of assassinations of scientists a decade ago. That included some of mr faulk reside as deputies. End quote. ed olmert who was prime minister from two thousand and sixty two thousand and nine reportedly scuttled at the last minute. A plan to assassinate him a couple of years ago a dozen years ago worrying that too many bystanders might be killed omar set of him quote. I know factories out a well. He has no idea. Well i know him. Almost certainly if i met him in the street i would recognize him. He has a program meant to do things that we cannot make peace with. He has no immunity he had done in the past. I don't think he ever will in the future and quote indeed. I'm known suffering formerly head of intelligence in the mossad said that factories outta was the linchpin of iran's nuclear program quote one of the few who saw the whole picture and quote a couple of years ago after zero purloined huge cache of iranian nuclear documents that extensive approved that iran has a covert nuclear bomb project and lied about it. Prime minister netanyahu singled out factories. Audi by name as the man running the show acute part of the plan was to form new organizations to continue the work. This is how dr moosa fuck is the head of project about put it remember. That name is. The general name is to announced the closure project ahmad but then he adds special activities. You know what that is. Special activities will be carried out under the title of scientific know-how development now. It's generally assumed that the mossad is behind factories is assassination. Netanyahu hinted that an unnamed senior israeli official told the new york times that the world owes israeli debt of gratitude but the world or at least big parts of it. See the matter differently. A u n spokesperson said the organization quote condemns any assassination or extrajudicial killing the eu called the killing a quote unquote criminal. Act that quote runs counter to the principle of respect for human rights the eu stands for british foreign secretary. Dominic robb said that the uk is committed to the rule of international humanitarian law which is very clear against targeting civilians and quote. The russian foreign ministry called these assignation quote a provocative terrorist act aimed at destabilizing. The situation in fueling a potential conflict in the region and quote the uae and qatar condemned the attack turkey's foreign minister called it a quote unquote heinous assassination. Response in the united states was less unitary just before tweeting quote biden can only enter. The white house says president if he proves that his ridiculous eighty million votes were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. President trump took the time to re tweet haaretz journalists. You'll see elman's tweet. Characterizing the assassination is quote a major psychological and professional blow for iran. It's noteworthy that the hack came right after a visit by secretary of state. Mike pompeo who met with netanyahu end with the. oc cohen. The head of the mossad leading some to speculate here and abroad. That the attack was carried out with pompeo's knowledge and with his blessing at the same time. Outside the trump administration there was criticism of israel. Some angry some outrage there were those. Like steve hendricks and shearer ruben writing in the washington. Post who wondered if netanyahu quote did he seek to draw tehran into a military response. That would intern justify an american assault on. Iran's nuclear program in the waning weeks of the trump administration to spoil conditions for the diplomatic reset. That president elect. Joe biden is expecting to seek with iran. John brennan who headed the cia. At the end of president obama's second term tweeted that the assassination quote was a criminal act and highly reckless to which texas republican senator. Ted cruz replied that. It is bizarre for an ex. Cia had quote to side with iranian zealots and reflexively condemn quote connecticut democratic senator. Chris murphy tweeted that quote. If the primary purpose of the killing of mr factories i was to make it harder to restart. The iran nuclear agreement than this assassination does not make america israel or the world safer in israel. There were a few people who made similar points like former merits. Mk and former new. Israel fund head. Professor nomi hussan who worried in the times of israel that the assassination would come up. Israel's relations with the incoming biden administration and with europeans. Merits hadn't on horowitz tweeted that he supports biden's efforts to resurrect the nuclear agreement with iran which efforts israel should not scuttle but he didn't criticize these assignation former. Idf spokesperson labor mk. Nachman shai said that these assignation maple big smiles on the faces of israelis but in fact it was just another example of shortsighted will backfire. Eventually time will tell if shy is right about that or not. But he's definitely right about the smiles in a country where everything is subject to scorching debate. The assassination was as close to a matter of consensus as we get the subject of agreement just slightly broader than agreement that puppies and babies are cute. Cute your low-paid who as head of the opposition wakes up each morning with the sole aim of criticizing the government and prime minister. Netanyahu tweeted that he supports the quote unquote justified. Assassination of resign and that europe's condemnation is quote unquote moral bankruptcy and craven. Nece no party head not in the opposition not in the coalition criticize the assassination for israelis assassinating iranian. Scientists is seemingly almost entirely de politicized as consensual as golden retriever puppies all of which raises many questions. Why and how are remote control machine. Guns taking the lives of bomb building. Physicists somehow beyond political discourse here and pretty much consensual come this kind of assassination tardy questioned at all and also what accounts for the very different ways. the assassination looks in jerusalem and say in dc. Which is the kind of question that you'd want to pose to some brookings institution toward if only you were lucky enough to find one. They are hard to find. I looked and i looked tamara. What he said she's here. Well it is really a striking and the fact of Of the divergence in narratives is itself becoming a subject of commentary sometimes somewhat bitter or rufo commentary and so. Now we're talking about the way we've been talking about this assassination. I think there are two things going on here. That are getting really deeply entangled in need to be disentangled. The first thing is the real difference in in perception and particularly in threat perception. The way the way. Iran's nuclear program looks from washington and the way it looks from israel The way this assassination looks from washington in the way it looks from israel you know and that goes to kind of our histories with this country right and and it goes to the way. This country acts toward each of our countries. So in the united states it was less than a year ago that the trump administration carried out drone strike that killed qassem soleimani head of the islamic revolutionary guard corps and sparked the the fiercest direct confrontation military confrontation between the united states and iran in decades. We were very close to a to something that might have been the of a war and that was not very long ago and so for americans even though they're not gonna more in of the loss of someone who is helping. Iran presumably build nuclear weapons capability. Americans reaction is. Oh my god. The last thing we want is another forever. Were in the middle east. Keep us the hell away from that. Whereas in israel i think the the fear of iranian breakout the fear of the steps. He runs that. Iran has taken over the last couple years since since sort of abandoning some of its jcp a commitments That is an existential fear and it feels very urgent the iranian nuclear weapons program. It is more urgent now than it was when the jcp away was in place when we when the jp way was signed iran was at least a year away from having enough nuclear material to potentially build a bomb. Now they're two months away and so you know that. Assassination looks much more kind of justifiable from an israeli perspective. So that's real and that's worth talking about but there's something else going on here that i think is more about seeing in the other side what we are anxious about for ourselves and it gets to the polarization inside israel and inside the united states that has in many ways kind of taken over the us-israel relationship in the last few years it we see everything through a political lens rather than a substantive policy lens on so all this fixation on timing. And did netanyahu do this now. Because he's trying to boxing biden. You know the biden can't negotiate with iran. I mean if you look at this in even very recent historical context the israeli government. The mossad has been assassinating iranian. Nuclear scientists for years. Didn't start with trump right. We're talking including the obama years including the obama years and and let's recall to that both president bush and president obama worked with israel On the staff net program which was a cyber attack on the iranian nuclear program. So you know it's not as though The us or democrats in the us always favor. A diplomatic engagement with iran and israel always opposes it and therefore is. There's this fundamental conflict. It's that we're seeing things that way now because there is such an assumption of the way that the jcp away was politicized the way the us israel relationship has been politicized. The everyone's looking. I signal house. Netanyahu can handle by house biden. Get handle netanyahu and and so they see they see messages in things that i don't think necessarily are really messages and they ascribe motives. And that's what happens when you're living. In polarized politics is that you automatically ascribe bad faith motives to the other side and so to me like that's actually making what's wrong in the us. Israel conversation worse rather than better. And i think it's important to add israelis totally bought into netanyahu's criticism of jcp away. So there was very little support for here. There was more criticism of the political assaults on obama and the and the democratic party and the obama administration. Nobody trusted that agreement. So i think as you said we're obviously very israel centered and we don't have many moral qualms about Assassinating people trying to build weapons for a country that is openly says it would like to destroy us and which we take. We perceive as an active threats. It goes back to your first point about the threat perception that we believe threat is israel so we won't know if this was a once in a lifetime opportunity and it couldn't be passed up for operational reasons but i do think there's a lot of questions raised about You know what will actually and whether this will in any way really hinder the nuclear program development or their. His work reserve will be carried on by by other scientists as some critics said or this will help undermine the effective sanctions which seemed to be having an impact on strengthening opposition to the regime. And finally we're all very. Israel centered both in the us and israel and the sense of. We're always talk thinking about iran as a threat to israel and iran. May as a friend. Danny sherman ran may have its own considerations for pushing their nuclear program. Maybe they're you know they want that. So they can prevent regime change like north korea. Does you know you don't want to mess with them. Because they have nuclear weapons. I'm no yossi melman You know specialists in expertise. I wonder if You know you hang around with all these With all these smart people. I mean this kind of an operation. Maybe i've been watching. You know too much. Tehran is the second seasonally will really writes itself. Now doesn't it. I mean they don't have to use their imagination at all but can something like this. Really be pinpointed. Okay you know Netanyahu says let's do it today. I mean it seems like a kind of an operation of Of opportunity and therefore you know could it really be so precisely timed. I don't know if you can respond to that. And then there's A lot of speculation on the timing of The donald trump re tweet of the yossi melman quote as if he was sitting there waiting and looking for the right time where he could send a signal that you know. This was my thing in that. Maybe it came from some sort of proactive. Green light from trump as opposed to being An israeli initiative that That the us approved in after it was already planned. Yeah alison i think. You're asking really good questions. And i i have to say you know noah when we were in davos getting that rubbed down and and we came up with the with the plan for today it did include significant mutual log rolling in so i just have to out our allison's incredible podcast for our ads with esther salomon and amir t-bone discussing among other things kind of the timing of these kinds of operations and i think you're right. Alison i mean. This is a really complex risky. Covert action. we don't know exactly how it went down although it seems as though the story about the remote control machine gun may have been an iranian cover story explaining why they didn't manage to apprehend the of the covert operators who carried this assassination out. But this thing these things don't come together overnight. They require a lot of surveillance planning a lot of training insertion of personnel extraction personnel. Right so it it. All has to be orchestrated with incredible precision. I do think there is probably something to the fact that the trump administration creates a relatively more permissive environment for israel to carry out these types of covert actions. But you know as we discuss the the will has been there and when the opportunities been there israel certainly hasn't held back in the past And if the israeli government was anticipating that a biden administration might present a more restrictive environment or that they were worried that a administration might not back them up if they did this and got into hot water then that would be a reason to perhaps accelerate a plan. But i don't think that they could just stand it up. You know between november the outcome of the november election and now So that's that's the first piece. The second piece is really. How much does an assassination like this matter. And there's some reason to believe that factories outta himself was no longer central to the nuclear program. Although he certainly was it's grandfather or its patron saint But i think we we know that when high profile assassinations like this take place they do also create morale issues for those who are continuing the work and they might even create some deterrent. So think about it from the most fans perspective. You're also trying to recruit. israeli presumably iranian nuclear scientists. As agents. To get information. You may be trying to get one of them to defect or at least decide to just do something with their lives And seeing their senior colleague their patron get it. Needed might will help you in those other efforts might make you not quite so ambitious. This affect biden will this affect how they relate to the jc whether or not it was intended to tie his hands. Do you feel like it does at all his hands or less than his chance of success of getting some sort of negotiation started with the iranians. So now we have to see how tear decides to respond and you can see contrary impulses right on the one hand having absorbed now to really embarrassing high profile assignations in one year along with you know the other disruptions that are also ascribed in news reports to israel. The occurred over the course of this summer You know the there are undoubtedly people in iran who would really like to respond firmly to this On the other hand they have been hit with virus in just a horrific way. Their economy is devastated by coronavirus and by sanctions they desperately need sanctions relief and they have presidential elections coming up in. May all of that would suggest that they would be interested in at least exploring what might be on offer from the p five plus when states in this gets me to the bottom line again like in in the media narrative that has surrounded this assassination. It's all about washington versus jerusalem but in practice the iranian nuclear program is a global problem. And the only reason that we achieved the signed agreement we did has imperfect as it may have been is that we have russia china three european powers and the united states on board and all using their leverage to coerce iranians into these concessions and so the us is not going to be able to come to some agreement with iran on its own. And i think one of the lessons of last time is that An agreement like this is going to have limited impact if the region is not on board with also and so. I think biden's i move is to coordinate with other people. I plus one members and coordinate with the gulf and coordinate with israel and you know see what the iranians are willing to do. He's already said if you come back into compliance we can come back into compliance but then we're immediately negotiated an extension. So i think he's set out his term so we have to see you know what tehran how they want to play it. Wait for next season next season in washington instead of around me. Yeah tamara thank you. You are a joy in inspiration to itself. We miss you. I miss you desperately. And i am so looking forward to a twenty twenty one when we can be in the same room and then we can do the full. On everybody altogether crossover podcast. Crumbs will always have thing now. Listen to this doc. Going who shop ovalles shop gold. She flaw that each. In cova by donnie sanderson whom you can find in all the usual places. And now it's time for third discussion so done if we've been talking about consensus i guess there's nothing less controversial than stuff that happened. Three millennia. go right i mean. Time heals all doesn't absolutely. We have a very clear picture of what was going on. Thanks to the recently discovered files. that It's yano that will be presenting next week. The government sponsored broadcast network con just aired a new documentary by a french. Mostly nature documentary filmmaker named. I'm not gonna pronounce this properly. I think i think it's terry t. Terry rozier bell road bear. Okay good tim be called the documentary called after the ark of the covenant which follows the excavations of two archaeologists tel aviv university's israel finkelstein and the college frances Tomasso maher place near abu. Ghosh called yacht. The riemann also excavations in jerusalem to reconstruct and pretty much rewrite the history of ancient israel from the tenth to the seven th centuries bc now the biblical books of samuel one to tell us the story of how the ark of the covenant arrived in jerusalem going to consolidate several verses here from robert alter magnificent translation Quote the men of curiosity arime came and carried up the ark of the lord and brought it to the house of you know dove on the hill and david arose and went and all the troops are with him to bring up from there the ark of the lord and they mounted the ark of god on a new car and carried it off from the house of dav which is on the hill and david went and brought up the ark of god to the city of david with rejoicing. Now the story is the people. Have your ream had wrested the arc from the philistines and kept it for twenty years. After which time it took it. To the great city of jerusalem the seat of his government the capital of an empire comprising four defeated kingdoms reaching from the euphrates in the north to the negative and the south and the ark remained there until the destruction of the temple. Now according to some traditions after the temple was destroyed the ark was brought back to the house of the in chaotic rim and buried for safekeeping on a spot. Now occupied by a convent of a french order called the church of our lady of the ark of the covenant and so excavation there is impossible or limited and by the competing story claims the ark of the covenant was taken to ethiopia by the son of king solomon and the queen of sheba where it is housed in the church in the city of axiom which we visited on one of our trips there. Lincoln stein is known. Finkelstein is known for advancing the use of scientific techniques like precision radiocarbon dating dna analysis image processing in israeli archaeology the problem with the biblical account according to stein annual mayor is that there is no evidence for it and the reason there is no evidence for they. Argue is because nothing about it is true for one thing finkelstein describes in detail in the film and argument which he. I made almost thirty years ago. Jerusalem in the days of david was a teeny backwater village of a couple of hundred people. Fifty families at most david and solomon. We're not so much kings as something akin to bedouin tribal chiefs of a pretty ragtag tribe as ruth margalit wrote in a wonderful new yorker profile of finkelstein not long ago. In the time of david and solomon quote the landscape of jerusalem is rugged. Rain is unpredictable to the east lies the desert hushed an empty life in the hill country is severe. Sheep and goats are quartered indoors. There are no public buildings. No ornate furnishings. In the shrines bands fugitives landless laborers and tax evaders. Remove the judean wilderness. They collect protection money and pillaged the locals making off with their women and their cattle unquote. so over. this mad max. Hellscape david became the chieftain who rules pastoralists and outlaws deletes words now by finkelstein in rome account jerusalem only became a thriving city about three hundred to three hundred and fifty years after king david after the assyrians had seized the northern kingdom of israel and jerusalem was essentially overrun by refugees jumping its population from around one thousand to twelve thousand in a very short time. According to finkelstein this mass migration created a need to form a communal identity which gave rise to a dream of a pass golden age real or imagined in finkelstein words when their ancestors were settled securely in well defined territories and enjoyed the divine promise of eternal peace and prosperity. Now just bear in mind. Twelve thousand people in those days was considered a metropolis air. Go the story of david. The ark was created hundreds of years. After the fact a myth rather like the myth of the first thanksgiving in america thinks started romar adduce different sorts of evidence but their most powerful argument is from the lack of evidence there are no signs they say of significant civilization incur yacht uranium in the tenth century bc. And all the more important there are no signs that jerusalem was a major city back. Then indeed if you trace a line between all the ten th century burial sites found around jerusalem jerusalem you get a very small perimeter assuming cemeteries are put at the outskirts of town. Which is what we think we know from that time. That means that jerusalem was a tiny hamid in david's time. All of which peaks are known sago. A columnist for the mostly national religious paper macoris shown who wrote a long article in the paper. Headlined the movie. The ark of the covenant imaginings scorn for the bible and unreasonable conclusions seagal says that finkelstein enroll mares conclusions are based on evidence. No more solid than the evidence adduced by the other side and he accuses them of doug manically dismissing the possibility that the bible reflects another reality at least some of the time and calls their so called science ideologically driven. He says quote finkelstein frequently dismisses the obvious analogy between his archaeological views and contemporary political arguments but apparently is heart does divulge to his mouth unquote. What sehgal's seems to mean is that finkelstein is ancient israelites. golden age is a fiction. Their heroism is a fiction and their holiest religious texts. Were basically political propaganda. Which leads to several questions. Might there be something to sales claims. That stein's archaeology is politics By another name or the bigger question can archaeology in israel. Be anything but tinkered if not entirely fused with politics and have saito is right. That contemporary political view is implicit in these archaeological findings. Is he right to be mad. At khan television station the publicly funded broadcast authority for screening. A movie that presents their views as if they are simple facts. Allison what do you think well. Archaeology can't help. But be tinkered by as you say politics in israel for those who rest legitimacy of the location of the nation of israel where it is because of the biblical arguments. Because you know this is our land because god gave it to us which is one but not this single reason but behind as ionised ideology I feel like no. I might be better equipped to address this because you know. I'm always been such a skeptical sort of that you know. It just doesn't bother me or shock me on you know on any level that that the actual historical facts on which are bible is created. Are are very far from From what we've We've turned it into fresh off a conversation with you. All know a harari. Who's thinks that everything is just you know this made up story that has been exaggerated and And glorified and of course these figures are going to be presuming. They actually Existed how can we be surprised in that era that we are talking more about sort of ragtag tribes than in some sort of a glorious Kingdom back then noah. I'm going to throw it to you because you know you've got You've got much more information on my head. You've got to keep on your head you've got a phd next year name all kinds of qualifications about this actually could not. I actually could not be less qualified to talk about this kind of ex-cathedra but first of all to don to your second question about whether sehgal is right to be mad at khan for screening a movie that presents these views in only these views. My answer is he's absolutely wrong to be mad at kahn he might be. It might be legitimate to be mad at them if they refused to show a movie that presented the opposite view as well which. I'm sure they did not do. I don't know if there is such a movie but So i think it's great for the public broadcasting station to show something that is controversial including something that says that the bible is a bunch of is a bunch of crap But as far as the actual content of this i mean. None of us are archaeologists. None of us have seriously looked through the evidence. So we really can't probably have a good informed position but i do find israel finkelstein who i've been following for years and years and years i i do find. There's something about about this. The the the strength of his views kind of purity of his views. He really thinks that he really thinks that. There is nothing of value to an archaeologist in the bible as a matter of principle. I think he thinks that it is wrong. For an archaeologists to look at the bible even as a source of things to check and ideas. Implausible history. To to verify or disconnect. And i i don't i don't understand that view is this is. This seems like this is an ancient texts. That's made up of older more ancient tax and to utterly Say that it's beyond the purview of the scientists quote unquote to to begin from. This book seems to me to be a mistake. I think he. I think he clearly is driven. Says he clearly has an ideological point of view that with contemporary politics and that ought to raise questions about the science. You don't think so. Well look i don't know. I don't know if You know you. Who's the horses leading the car. The car's leading the horse You know he. He became famous making this case in the ninety That the Because of the lack of evidence in the archaeological record. I mean again. I don't i don't i don't read it the same way. I don't read his arguments. What the way you just described it. I think what he's saying is that the bible is a whatever it is a collection of legends I it doesn't include political propaganda as in all cases in ancient times it's history written by the victors. What he's saying is that he thinks it was written hundreds of years later to create a back story to justify the presence of the kingdom Several hundred years after the period of king david and he and he says the lack of evidence in the archaeological record the miniscule amount of of of of materials. We've found up to date. There's only one mention ever in any archaeological finding of the name david You know the mentions a house of david from something. We think came one hundred years later you know. I think that argument sounds plausible. I mean back when i was doing religious studies in in brown. And we were looking at these kinds of findings back with my nose days You know there was. There was always the question of jesus vs jey says. Are you reading in what you want to see there. Are you a really deducing from what the materials are telling you. And that's part of the argument and not to take the easy agnostic road out of this but there is so little evidence there is there is so little concrete findings He made a very interesting compelling sounding narrative And i would say you know. Is he trying to protect his reputation and his original claims or is he trying to push a political agenda. Clearly there are people on the other side like people running ear who have a very political agenda and they're they're quite over about it that if you are tell tell them that they'll file a lawsuit against you You know so. It's a know supporting nationalist to the territory's in justifying expelling palestinians from their homes all kinds of other stuff so yes. Archaeology and politics have become much. They've always been intertwined in this country To my mind has gotten much uglier in the past decade than it was before But you know. I just hope my task that his main rival is named garfinkel from the jerusalem you know. Do you have to have finkel in your name to be leading own desperately. Garfinkel is a really important figurative. Bring up here. Because it's not just that that that the movie rather makes light of the other competing. Archaeologists i mean basically makes fun of evangelical american archaeologist who come With their bible in hand and seek to to demonstrate that the bible to find proof that the bible is true and they they the. The movie is worse than dismissive of these people. But it's also worth keeping in mind that. In addition there is the entire archaeology department in jerusalem. Which is i think to a person lined up against think sign so you have the tel aviv archaeologist with finkelstein who have this view that the the clarify what i meant what i think. Finkelstein view of the bible is. He thinks that it is a methodological mistake for archaeologists to use the bible In their study he thinks that leads them a stray. I mean he. He thinks that to a bunch of myths. I don't think that he would necessarily dogmatically say that. There isn't anything in it. That happened to track onto the truth but he thinks that once as an archaeologist you take this book in hand you have destroyed the possibility of doing objective research. Which is i think you're looking for proof really well. You don't have to be looking for proof for fear that that's what people are doing. So one of the things about which people disagree is whether and i think the jerusalem the jerusalem archaeologists say look in a in a world where like you said we have relatively little proof and relatively. There's a relative positive material proof especially in these centuries the tenth the ninety eighth in the seventh century. There's relatively little stuff than it would be irresponsible for us to ignore this book. Which of course none of us take literally and none of us believe is entirely true and all of us understand is inter penetrated with some forms of with However we think that it's irresponsible to not take it as a source. Can i think that that's part of the disagreement but finkelstein seems so committed to believing that that this religious stuff is just ridiculous that i i agree with sehgal here. Who wrote the article in mockery shown that he seems partly to be driven by his deep lack of respect for religion and and you know it could be the you know the opposite that we know that. There's a long history of archaeology in in israel. not only by jews and not only since. The state was founded Because of the earlier archaeologists christian actually who came with a very religious agendas so this is like the opposite extreme poll and i think you know this is this is polarization. Happens and and i agree with you. I mean it's it is absurd not to be relating to these texts in in some way and trying to understand what we can learn from the amazingly fascinating archaeological records. I mean i think his theory is really fascinating does it. I don't. I don't know there isn't a way to prove it yet. But it makes you want to learn more about it. Which i think is a good thing right. Yes that that is a good thing. And he's very dashing and he's very articulate and This movie by the way is on the internet. Will i'll put a link on the facebook. it's called after the ark of the covenant. It's in a bunch of languages part of english part of its infringe part of its in hebrew. I assume it subtitled. I don't remember. That's an indiana jones name. Ruth marguerite profile is also excellent. Yes we should link to that as well. Now listen to this a a gold The fat. That's wrong is easy. Loaded down with an old goes song but sanderson recorded. Just last year with the lovely jane bordeaux and now it's time for our country segment. This is the part of the show which describes something that might have surprised amused delighted or enchanted in source sold or. Maybe even flu. Gus winded our way through our world over the last little while done. What is your country. Well here's what it says on the poster around the corner from my house. The karsava moshav committee invites all residents of the motion of a on july. First nineteen thirty-three to an urgent general assembly to discuss the subject of breaking through the fence and the breakdown of all public discipline by mr anza kofsky and his friends. Please be prompt and show them how angry. You are in front of everyone. Posted june thirtieth nineteen thirty-three talk about naming and shaming now. This poster appears on one of the many old fashioned advertising pillars stout cylindrical columns grace vitamin street. The main drag of karsava fifty meters from our apartment and according to wikipedia these pillars are called morris columns or advertising columns and they originated in berlin when one hundred such columns were installed in eighteen. Fifty five one year after they were invented by the german printer ernest leaked fuss lit. Fuss was a marketing genius. Busy creating new revenue streams for his printing business. Wireless competition with searching for typesetters could spell thirteen years later in france. Ernest lit fast. Columns were renamed marris columns by gabrielle. Morris a printer controlling the advertising session. Who started a company which made mars columns for the next hundred twenty years now. They must plaster the new posters on these columns in the middle of the night or the very early morning because they just appear. And i've never seen anyone putting one up. I don't know if they peel the ones off or the column just gets thicker every year. maybe underneath. It's really actually very skinny from all the new layers of posters like the rings on a tree. Now the mars colony is my house usually advertise things like stand up. Comedians corus recitals workshops to get rich quick to achieve spiritual balance hanukkah. Plays for preschoolers coming to our neighborhood. And as you can imagine posters announcing such upcoming events kind of disappeared at the end of march when israel went into its first covid nineteen lockdown. I guess someone got sick of looking at notices for purim. Spills and pesach vacation specials For six months. 'cause they have now plastered the morris columns of karsava with vintage community announcements from the pre-state issue and the early days of the state. Here's another example. The union of agricultural workers the association of packing workers in the land of israel calls to youth and female workers to learn how to sort and wrap citrus fruits. Registration for courses will take place between september twenty second and september thirtieth nineteen forty seven at the office every evening between five and seven. Those were serious job. Opportunities for young jews and for women's seventy three years ago in kfar saba Only nine months later on july twenty seventh nineteen forty eight but what a nine months. Those were far. Sabra celebrated yomas state day in memory of hertzel n bialik to and a half month old new country. And then how about this one. The car saba barrel cats nelson house of education. High school announces. Registration is opening for the tough shin. Tet school year. That's one thousand nine hundred forty eight forty nine. The very first school year in the new country of israel at the local council between the hours of eight and ten before noon or four to six afternoon. And that's how it's written lift and a harasser. I'm not using the twenty four hour military clock that we use now even returning students are required to register and they must bring their last trimester report card with them. Students will be accepted. You all departments of the high school so it was kind of like applying to college and finally consider this bit of protectionist. Lobbying deploying twenty different sized funds on same poster to communicate a sense of urgency bordering on hysteria. It opens with a quote from hillel. If i am not from me who will be for me. And it reads at this time. When jewish wells is pouring into us from countries all over the globe dafa exactly during this period of flowering of the issue and our own flourishing. We have to express our concerns about the dangers lurking due to the flooding of our markets with foreign products and the neglect of products hebrew shoes. And then it says in giant letters you should know and then there six arguments about why we must consume products made in israel including That we use products and land from took serta arts. We're used products of the land. Not for sentimental reasons. It is a sacred obligation imposed on every one of us is the basis of all branches of the jewish economy in the last decade. That goes onto explain. Sixty million liras worth of foreign products have been purchased in the land of israel. How many more factories might have been established. How many more workers might have been hired. How many tens of thousands of additional olim immigrants might have been absorbed if only a portion of that money had stayed in the local economy. Jews it says in giant letters on the diagonal just to make sure we know who the poster talking to. Don't let your money leave our land for a product. The like of which we have right here helped to establish the fiscal foundation of your brother and help yourself and then signed at the bottom by the head of every leading institution in the early state every union the jewish agency every committee. You can think of so. It's a secular as can be and yet it's utterly in the style of a lambasting pasha ville flaying the public familiar to us today. From brock down the road if not usually inc for saba of course it really was a matter of life and death of eking out a living of economic survival so the stakes really couldn't have been higher and thanks to the corona crisis. We've peel back the layers of seventy three or eighty seven years of history in our cultural archaeological investigations. Now please excuse me are have to get to my citrus packing class. Happy young amina wonderful. Allison what is your country. So there's nothing like being confined to home for nearly two weeks in your post travel covid quarantine to make you appreciate pretty much. Everything located outside your house. It's really to coined a phrase and site. A cliche made me appreciate the little things in life. I have thoroughly enjoyed every moment outside since liberation even sitting in traffic jams even having to get takeout coffee and sit in the park instead of going to cafes who cares. It's not my kitchen table. The very first thing. I did when i was released. Take a long walk on the beach with a good friend. That is now my favorite activity except for the one. Forbidden for the meantime because of kobe restrictions. Swimming in the swimming pool so sad anyway. The next day after that there was no time for such luxuries. It was back to work. And i had a particularly busy and crazy day where i was committed to filling in for the first time as host of the horace podcast and then doing a webinar. I was lucky enough in being asked to do that. Webinar to be able to end my day feeling like i was literally on top of the world in the offices of the guy who is definitely one of the most internationally famous israelis he sort of like a nerds gaga gadot. You've all know harari sapiens. His book that took on the modest topic of the history of the entire world and his follow up publications have sold nearly thirty million copies in sixty languages. Now i described this not just to name drop up because his offices really blew him away. No i understand you've been there too. They are on the twenty second floor of dizengoff tower with floor to ceiling windows. It gives a visitor and expansive view of the entire city with the mediterranean in the background on the other side. You have expansive shelves of his books in many languages and his media studio. I found it kind of unbelievable that ideas a book could create. Could build all of that pretty amazing. So yeah. I was kind of nervous to be interviewing someone known for having such a big brain and i have to think the promise podcast for helping me not be so nervous. Thanks to my time here. I have put in a lot of hours talking to numerous folks who possess more points than i do and somehow it felt comfortable and familiar talking to a super smart professor. Who has a lot to say about pretty much everything. I don't know why that feels so familiar anyway. I hope this feeling feel being thrilled to leave. The house for any reason lasts for a while. But i have to say even though every single thing to have been a cause to be source sold or flute in the past week nothing. Nothing is fun as after close to two months away to show up at the promise. Podcasts live and in person what could be more flu worthy than that. I agree it's great. Welcome back thank you last friday. I got an invitation. That said quote tomorrow at eight thirty sharp. Were starting an open rehearsal. Winky emoji winky emoji winky emoji on the roof of ghana ear. That is to say at the cultural center which will become an anti inspectional aquarium. And we'll keep us all healthy and happy and quote underneath. The text was a picture of my favorite band. Jose vote who. I've talked about before because they're well my favorite band. When the time came. I biked over to ghana. It's a fancy mall right next to city hall. That's built on the land of the old city zoo. That was closed back in nineteen eighty. According to the law tel aviv entropy that all public lands tend inevitably irrevocably toward shopping malls though in defense of the city planners they also built a high rise apartment for rich people. So there's that anyway on the roof of the shopping area is the cultural center which has a gorgeous performance hall done in light. Blush would and lovely concert hall seats of light brushwood and borneo upholstery. Where you usually see kind of fancy and serious stuff opera or classical music. Choral music that sort of thing. The concert hall is closed for the pandemic. Of course but lately someone had a brilliant idea about how you could still use the place. The roof of ghana ear is a paved expanse enough center. Sits in the southwest corner of it with its back to city hall. The outer walls of the lobby of the cultural center are all glass. So from the pave the expense. You can see what's going on in the lobby and from the lobby. You can see what's going on on the eighth expense. The brilliant idea was the lobby of the enough center is basically an aquarium. If you laid it right. People can sand on the outside on the pavement and watch. What's going on inside. If you set up the speakers right. The people on the outside can hear what's going on on the inside and while it's against the regulations to hold concerts. It's fine for a band to rehearse together and it's fine for folks to watch the rehearse so long as they stay to beaters apart. Wear their masks and all the rest. I changed my bike near the entrance to the mall. That entrance was locked. So i walked through the next one. It was locked too. So i walked to the next one and then the next one it was now eight thirty and i tried to listen for the band but robbing square had a raucous and amplified anti-netanyahu demonstration. Going on and that was all i could hear. I double check the invitation. I was losing faith. I was thinking of giving up when i saw a car. Go into the underground parking lot of the mall. So i ran down after it and then slipped around the back of the ticket booth so the guy would notice that i was coming into a parking lot without a car and i found the stairs and went up four flights and when i walked through the heavy fire door at the top of the stairwell i was there right at their caused a knob and the band was behind the glass and i was standing with fifty or so other people. Although our number grew over the night to maybe two hundred and right behind the glass. The band was playing. There were strobe lights and par lights and strip lights and purple circles glided over the glass. It was cool and trippy. The band was just a few meters away and looked well so happy. The air was thick with the smell of weed to the left of me. A guy held a beer in one hand and in his other hand. He held what was left of a six pack. There were another five beers in his other hand and to the right of me. A couple passed back and forth a bottle of red wine. Slipping it under their masks to drink after a bit. I saw that the woman standing right in front of me her arms around two girls maybe five or six who were themselves leaning on a pink. Scooter she was the mom of the lead singer whose name is. He fought ballot. Who maybe comes to all of the vote concert anyway. I've seen her at every one that i've been to. Which is maybe ten. I walked around to get a look at the girls kind of cool and casual so that no one would think that i was a creep and their eyes were so wide watching their aunt. I guess and across my mind that these kids had may be missed three months of school just now but what they were learning. I'm this night on top of ghana ear about being a girl in this world. Had to be more important than whatever they didn't learn about reading multiplication. A big black dog wandered through the crowd like he was the mayor nudging his nose into people's hands until they stroke and scratch them. Sometimes he barked in time to the music. I caught a little of it on my phone off Ifan battery ran up and back behind the between sometimes flattening or palm against the glass waiting for someone to step up from the crowd and flattened their hand against hers from the other side. Like people do on prison visitations in the movies the whole time. It felt like cheesy. They we we were all reaching out just trying to connect between songs. She said a little choked up. Thank you coming. And we cheered. She said quote. It's not something. I take for granted and we cheered. Then she smiled and said we're a capsule now referring to group of people who live together maybe a family or a bunch of kids who go to school together and as long as everyone stays in the group no one gets infected from now on. All of us were a capsule. She said rolling the idea around in her mind and we all clapped later. She said quote. We're okay it's not a simple time to be a band. It's not as simple time to be a human being but what's left is people you know. We have each other and it's good enough most of the time. It's good enough which was sad and beautiful. I thought and she said it quietly. You could hear the screams from the big demonstration and robbing square and felt like yeah. We have each other and yeah most of the time. It is good enough and that brings us to the end of our show. Thanks to ashkenazi are genius researcher conciliatory and scholar not in residence. Thanks to tie. Shell are station manager without whom there would be none of this thanks to our. She believed my favorite band from keyboards. They give us a music and the start and the end of our show. Thank you samuel. J aaronson for the kind words and good idea. Thank you tamara. Alison natalie and done. We'd like to thank all of our patriots support for your generosity and support that keeps the show going in the station going. We are moved and grateful. And then your debt and we'd like to thank you for taking the time to listen out there and acid like us on facebook and drop us a line. We're going to answer then. Go to apple podcasts. And give us a five star review. Maybe when the begins like this listening to the promise. Podcasts is playing the long game. I knew that. If i stuck with it for ten years the day would come when i would get the here. Tamara coffin with us. And i was right dot that finished anywhere you want but before you do that. Remember that this week. On december fifth we will celebrate international. Walt disney day so stipulated to mark the date of birth on december fifth. One thousand nine hundred. Eighty one of the great atta mater filmmaker and entrepreneur who gave the world some of the most astonishing joyful and beautiful lengths of celluloid. We have ever seen. He also wants to a job applicant by saying quote women. Do not do any of the creative work in connection with preparing the cartoons for the screen as that work is performed entirely by young men. The only work open to women consists of tracing the characters on clear celluloid sheets with india ink and quote. He also enthusiastically entertained in his studio. A visiting leni riefenstahl who arrived the month after kristallnacht in nineteen thirty eight. He also made the song of the south of movie. Now considered so racially offensive. The disney company will no longer allow anyone to see it also on october. Twenty fourth nineteen forty-six walt. Disney testified in front of the house unamerican activities committee naming his communist several of his employees who were in fact just trying to unionize. His studio result was that he struck. I believe that that time. Mr sarah was a communist because of all the things that i had heard and and had seen his name appearing on many comic front things and when he told the strike the first people to put me to smear me and put me on the unfair list. All of the commie front organizations one. That's cleared my mind is illegal. Women voters comey front organizations. Like the league of women voters and i just know that international walt disney day is gonna be great. What with the pleasure of his films coupled with the crippling ambivalence about the man who made them but then just like that. Poof like cinderella's carriage turning back into a pumpkin horses into field mice international walt disney day will be over nas. Return for a whole 'nother year. Not so the promise podcasts. We'll be back next week. And every week reminding you that there's bad with a capital b but also and more common. There's bad with a small b. on this the promise podcast.

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